{"id":"court_ctb_1529_0","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":1529,"sub_number":0,"doc_type":"UNKNOWN","filed_date":"2023-03-09","title":"| ·1 | Page 1","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"| ·1 | Page 1 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· ·UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT |\n| | ·3· ·DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT |\n| | ·4· ·BRIDGEPORT DIVISION |\n| | ·5· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| | ·6· ·In Re: |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Chapter 11
·7· · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK,· · · · · · · · · Case No. |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·22-50073 (JAM)
·8· · · · · · · · · · · ·Debtor. |\n| | ·9· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| 10 | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MEI GUO |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · ·Friday, January 20, 2023 |\n| 13 | |\n| 14 | |\n| | 15· ·Reported by: |\n| | 16· ·Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR |\n| | 17· ·Job No. 221677 |\n| 18 | |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n\nPage 2 ·1 ·2 ·3· · · · · · · · ·January 20, 2023 ·4· · · · · · · · ·10:34 a.m. ·5 ·6· ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MEI GUO, held at Chiesa ·7· ·Shahinian & Giantomasi, 11 Times Square, New York, ·8· ·New York, before Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a ·9· ·Certified Court Reporter, Certified Realtime 10· ·Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary 11· ·Public of the States of New York, New Jersey, 12· ·and Connecticut. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25\n\nPage 3 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·A P P E A R A N C E S: ·3· ·PAUL HASTINGS LLP · · · · · · Attorneys for TRUSTEE ·4· · · · · 200 Park Avenue · · · · · · New York, New York 10166 ·5 · · ·BY:· AVRAM LUFT, ESQ. ·6· · · · DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ. ·7 ·8· ·CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL ·9· · · · · MEI GUO · · · · · · One Boland Drive 10· · · · · West Orange, New Jersey 07052 11· ·BY:· ·LEE VARTAN, ESQ. 12 13· ·ZEISLER & ZEISLER, P.C. · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL 14· · · · · MEI GUO · · · · · · 10 Middle Street 15· · · · · Bridgeport, Connecticut 06604 16· ·BY:· ·AARON ROMNEY, ESQ. 17 18· ·ALSO PRESENT:· Chris Johnson, The Videographer 19· · · · · · · · · Luyi Song, Law Clerk, Paul Hastings 20· · · · · · · · · Jingyi Wang, Mandarin Interpreter 21· · · · · · · · · Una Wilkinson, Mandarin Check Interpreter 22· · · · · · \\*\\*· · · · · · · \\*\\*· · · · · · · ·\\*\\* 23 24 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 4 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are now on the | |\n| ·3· ·record.· This is the start of media labeled | |\n| ·4· ·number 1 of the video-recorded deposition of | |\n| ·5· ·Mei Guo in the matter in reference to | |\n| ·6· ·Ho Wan Kwok in the United States Bankruptcy | |\n| ·7· ·Court, District of Connecticut, Bridgeport | |\n| ·8· ·Division, Chapter 11, Case Number 22-50073 | |\n| ·9· ·(JAM). | |\n| 10· · · · This deposition is being held at Chiesa | |\n| 11· ·Shahinian & Giantomasi PC, 11 Times Square, | |\n| 12· ·34th Floor, New York, New York 10001. | |\n| 13· · · · Today is Friday, January 20, 2023.· The | |\n| 14· ·time on the video monitor is approximately | |\n| 15· ·10:34 a.m. | |\n| 16· · · · My name is Chris Johnson.· I'm the legal | |\n| 17· ·video specialist from TSG Reporting | |\n| 18· ·Incorporated, headquartered at 228 East 45th | |\n| 19· ·Street, Suite 810, New York, New York 10017. | |\n| 20· · · · The court reporter today is | |\n| 21· ·Angela Shaw-Crockett, also in association with | |\n| 22· ·TSG Reporting. | |\n| 23· · · · Would all counsel present please introduce | |\n| 24· ·yourselves and the parties you represent. | |\n| 25· · · · MR. LUFT:· My name is Avi Luft.· I'm with | |\n| | |\n\nPage 5 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · the law firm of Paul Hastings.· I represent the ·3· · · · Chapter 11 Trustee in this matter. ·4· · · · · · ·With me are my colleague, Doug Barron, and ·5· · · · law clerk Luyi Song. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Good morning.· Lee Vartan ·7· · · · from the law firm of Chiesa Shahinian & ·8· · · · Giantomasi.· We won't hold that against the ·9· · · · videographer.· We just go by \"CSG law.\"· And I 10· · · · represent both HKI and Mei Guo. 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· My name is Aaron Romney. I'm 12· · · · with Zeisler & Zeisler.· I represent Ms. Guo, 13· · · · HK International.· I also represent the debtor 14· · · · in this proceeding, Mr. Miles Kwok. 15· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Can she put her mask back 16· · · · on? 17· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Will the court reporter 18· · · · please swear in the witness and the 19· · · · interpreters, and we may proceed. 20· ·J I N G Y I· ·W A N G, 21· · · · · having been first duly sworn by a Notary 22· · · · · Public within and for the State of New 23· · · · · York, translated the questions from 24· · · · · English to Mandarin and the answers 25· · · · · from Mandarin to English under oath as\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 6 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · follows: ·3· · Mei Guo, having been called as a witness, having been first ·4· ·duly sworn (through an interpreter),· was examined and ·5· ·testified as follows:· EXAMINATION ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Good morning, Ms. Guo.· How are you? ·8· · · · A.· ·Very well, thank you. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, my understanding is that you're 10· ·going to testify in Mandarin today, which is great, 11· ·but I also understand that you understand some 12· ·English. 13· · · · · · ·Just so we have a clear record, I ask that 14· ·we just do one or the other.· So to the extent we're 15· ·going to use the translator, please wait for the 16· ·translator even if you understand my question in 17· ·English. 18· · · · · · ·Is that okay? 19· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Thank you. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Before we go on, one quick 21· · · · clarification. 22· · · · · · ·Mr. Romney, are you appearing for the 23· · · · debtor for this deposition, or were you just 24· · · · stating that you, in other matters, having to 25· · · · represent the debtor?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 7 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· That's a fair point.· The ·3· · · · debtor is not a party to this proceeding, so I ·4· · · · will -- I'm appearing for Ms. Guo -- Guo and ·5· · · · HK International today. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Got it. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, could I ask you to just state 11· ·your name for the record. 12· · · · A.· ·In English? 13· · · · Q.· ·Please, if you can. 14· · · · A.· ·Mei Guo, M-E-I G-U-O. 15· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Guo, what is your current 16· ·residence? 17· · · · A.· ·I live in New York. 18· · · · Q.· ·+ Could you please give me what address 19· ·you live in? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· We would just -- for the 21· · · · record, we'd object to giving her exact address 22· · · · for security reasons. 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· If you'd like to mark it as -- 24· · · · under the protective order as confidential or 25· · · · highly confidential, I'm happy to do so, but I\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 8 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· ·think the witness needs to answer the question. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I don't know why her precise | |\n| ·4· ·address in New York City is important.· She | |\n| ·5· ·lives in the city.· She's made that | |\n| ·6· ·representation on the record.· I don't know | |\n| ·7· ·that we need to go deeper than that. | |\n| ·8· · · · MR. LUFT:· Well, when you do an | |\n| ·9· ·examination, you can choose to go as deep as | |\n| 10· ·you like.· I think it's important that we know | |\n| 11· ·what address she lives at, and I'm entitled to | |\n| 12· ·know it. | |\n| 13· · · · And I'm happy to mark it as highly | |\n| 14· ·confidential, as we're doing with all other | |\n| 15· ·information that's sensitive in the case, but | |\n| 16· ·I'd ask the witness to answer the question. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'll let the translator speak | |\n| 18· ·first and then I'll respond. | |\n| 19· · · · I was going to say in response, maybe we | |\n| 20· ·can move on and address this at a break.
I | |\n| 21· ·don't want to interrupt the beginning of the | |\n| 22· ·deposition, but I think you know that Ms. Guo | |\n| 23· ·travels with security. | |\n| 24· · · · In New York's Supreme Court, | |\n| 25· ·Justice Ostrager took the rather extraordinary | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 9 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· ·measure of closing the courtroom when Ms. Guo | |\n| ·3· ·testified.· So there are real security concerns | |\n| ·4· ·here. | |\n| ·5· · · · I understand the confidentiality order, | |\n| ·6· ·but we don't really see the relevance of her | |\n| ·7· ·personal address in New York City. | |\n| ·8· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, you're new to the | |\n| ·9· ·case.· Her mother has testified as to her | |\n| 10· ·address.· Her father has testified as to his | |\n| 11· ·address.· I assume they have the exact same | |\n| 12· ·security concerns, handled the same way.
I | |\n| 13· ·don't understand why Ms. Guo would need a | |\n| 14· ·special dispensation that's been different than | |\n| 15· ·her mother and father. | |\n| 16· · · · MR. VARTAN:· The only difference here is | |\n| 17· ·my understanding is the address is already in | |\n| 18· ·the public domain, meaning the Greenwich home | |\n| 19· ·and the Sherry-Netherland are known. | |\n| 20· · · · I don't believe that Ms. Guo's address has | |\n| 21· ·ever been made known in any form or fashion. | |\n| 22· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I'd ask that she -- | |\n| 23· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Let the interpreter -- thank | |\n| 24· ·you. | |\n| 25· · · · So again, I don't want to interrupt the | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 10 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 10 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·flow of the deposition, and I'm happy to | |\n| ·3· ·address this at a break, but I think we can | |\n| ·4· ·move on for now and come back to it. | |\n| ·5· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I find this to be | |\n| ·6· ·obstructive and improper. | |\n| ·7· · · · Are you instructing your witness not to | |\n| ·8· ·answer my question? | |\n| ·9· · · · MR. VARTAN:· So at this time, I'm | |\n| 10· ·instructing her not to answer.· We can address | |\n| 11· ·it at a break if need be. | |\n| 12· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, there's nothing to | |\n| 13· ·address at the break.· I asked a perfectly | |\n| 14· ·appropriate question.· I've conceded that | |\n| 15· ·you're welcome to use the protective order in | |\n| 16· ·place. | |\n| 17· · · · If you'd like to seek relief from the | |\n| 18· ·court, to get her -- to get a protective order | |\n| 19· ·for her to not answer the question, you're | |\n| 20· ·welcome to do so.· Otherwise, I think it's | |\n| 21· ·improper for you to instruct her not to answer | |\n| 22· ·a question because it does not relate to any | |\n| 23· ·privilege. | |\n| | |\n\n24· · · · And accordingly, I'm going to hold the 25· ·deposition open on this issue because she's not\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 11 of 210\n\nPage 11 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · answering, and I'm going to move on. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I encourage you to seek relief ·5· · · · from the Court if you want to. ·6· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I didn't catch the -- ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I said Mr. Vartan, if he wants ·8· · · · to direct the witness not to answer a question ·9· · · · for nonprivilege reasons, he needs to seek 10· · · · relief from the Court. 11· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, how long have you lived at your 14· ·current residence? 15· · · · A.· ·Two years. 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you live by yourself or with other 17· ·family members? 18· · · · A.· ·By myself. 19· · · · Q.· ·Do you own your apartment -- or let me 20· ·strike that. 21· · · · · · ·What type of home is it? 22· · · · A.· ·An apartment. 23· · · · Q.· ·Are you the owner of the apartment? 24· · · · A.· ·No. 25· · · · Q.· ·Who is the owner of the apartment that you\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 12 of 210\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 12 |\n|----------|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·live in? | | |\n| | | ·3· · · · A.· ·The landowner. | |\n| | | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Who is the landowner? | |\n| | | ·5· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. | |\n| | | ·6· · · · Q.· ·You don't know whose apartment you live | |\n| ·7· ·in? | | | |\n| | | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | | ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember the name of my landowner. | |\n| | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you pay rent to your landowner? | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | | 13· · · · Q.· ·What is the entity to whom you write rent | |\n| | 14· ·checks? | | |\n| | | 15· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. | |\n| | | 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you pay your own rent or does someone | |\n| | 17· ·pay it for you? | | |\n| | | 18· · · · A.· ·I pay my own rent. | |\n| | | 19· · · · Q.· ·How do you pay? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·By check. | | |\n| | | 21· · · · Q.· ·Is that check being drawn from a personal | |\n| | | 22· ·bank account or a corporate bank account? | |\n| | | 23· · · · A.· ·In personal account. | |\n| | | 24· · · · Q.· ·What funds you to use to pay for your | |\n| | 25· ·rent? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 13 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 13 |\n|------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Just from my personal bank account. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·What is the source of those funds in the | |\n| ·4· ·bank account? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I have my own work. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What do you do for work? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·I'm currently an entrepreneur.· I'm a film | |\n| | ·8· ·director, producer, and scriptwriter. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Have you sold any scripts? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Have you directed films for anyone other | |\n| 12· ·than yourself? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·Yes, back in China. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·When you were living in China? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·When was the last film you directed? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·Are you referring to a short movie or just | |\n| | 18· ·a regular movie that comes out in the theater? | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Why don't we take it in pieces. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·I'll first ask about any film you directed | |\n| 21· ·for someone else. | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the specifics.· That was | |\n| | 23· ·when I was in China.· Together with another | |\n| | 24· ·director, we did one film. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Were you paid to direct the film? | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 14 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·How much were you paid to direct that | |\n| ·4· ·film? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I can't remember specifically, but | |\n| ·6· ·approximately over 100,000 RMB. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall when you directed that film? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·It was probably in 2013 or 2014.· I'm not | |\n| ·9· ·quite sure.· But I think probably 2014. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Have you directed any films since you left | |\n| 11· ·China? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm just going to object to | |\n| 13· · · · this line of questioning.· I'm happy to put a | |\n| 14· · · · standing objection on the record.· I gave | |\n| 15· · · · counsel some latitude, but all of these | |\n| 16· · · · questions really seem to me to be beyond the | |\n| 17· · · · scope of why we're here, which is in | |\n| 18· · · · anticipation of the PJR proceeding. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·So what Ms. Guo may have done in China in | |\n| 20· · · · 2013 or 2014 really just bears absolutely no | |\n| 21· · · · relevance to anything that will be before the | |\n| 22· · · · court. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·You can answer my question. | |\n| | |\n\nPage 15 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Sorry.· I can't remember what the question ·3· ·was. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Have you directed any films since you left ·5· ·China? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. ·7· · · · · · ·Just, Mr. Luft, are you comfortable with ·8· · · · me posing a standing objection or do you want ·9· · · · me to object to every question? 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm not comfortable with your 11· · · · speaking objections.· But I don't know how -- 12· · · · since I'm going to ask different questions, I 13· · · · don't know what type of standing objection 14· · · · you're asking for. 15· · · · · · ·Are you saying you'd like a standing 16· · · · objection to every question I ask? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Every question that's beyond 18· · · · the scope of the PJR proceeding.· I'm happy to 19· · · · object question by question. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You can just say \"Objection, 21· · · · form,\" and that will be sufficient. 22· · · · · · ·Particularly given the translator today, 23· · · · let's not waste time with speaking objections. 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Well, I'd ask that we not 25· · · · waste time on irrelevant material.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 16 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, you've said it to ·3· · · · your witness multiple times -- ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm speaking to you. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It's not irrelevant.· Okay? ·6· · · · Again, I don't know if this is because you're ·7· · · · brand new to the case or not.· But the source ·8· · · · of her funds and how she pays for things are ·9· · · · dead set in the middle of this case. 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Not in the counterclaim I've 11· · · · read. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, have you been paid to direct any 14· ·films since the last one you told me about in China 15· ·which you said was in approximately 2013 to 2014? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·You also say you've produced films. 20· · · · · · ·Have you produced any films since you left 21· ·China? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 23· · · · A.· ·There's been a lot together with others, 24· ·but these films are all independent films through 25· ·students.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 17 of 210\n\nPage 17 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·So they're student films? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Have you earned any money from producing ·8· ·these student films? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. 10· · · · A.· ·No. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Other than acting as a film producer, a 13· ·director, and a scriptwriter, is there any other way 14· ·that you have earned income or funds since you have 15· ·moved to the United States? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·How else have you earned income or funds? 20· · · · A.· ·I've been the CEO of Pangu Plaza since 21· ·2016, so I've always been earning a salary. 22· · · · Q.· ·Where is Pangu Plaza? 23· · · · A.· ·It's in Beijing, China, on number -- the 24· ·address is number 27 Chaoyang Road. 25· · · · Q.· ·And you're currently the CEO of\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 18 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·Pangu Plaza? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· ·How much are you paid as CEO of ·5· ·Pangu Plaza? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·7· · · · A.· ·So the annual salary plus bonus, I can't ·8· ·remember very clearly, but approximately ·9· ·1.45 million. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Is that dollars? 12· · · · A.· ·I wished it were.· But it's in RMB. 13· · · · Q.· ·Who owns Pangu Plaza? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·Family fund. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Who runs that family fund? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·Many family members. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·What's the name of the family fund? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 23· · · · A.· ·It's just called \"family fund.\" 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·So the person who employs you has no name\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 19 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·other than family fund? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates the | |\n| ·4· · · · testimony. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·My employer is not an individual.· It's a | |\n| ·6· ·fund.· It's a business of my family. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·What I want to know is what is the name of | |\n| ·9· ·that business that hires you? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·So what I was mentioning, referring to | |\n| 12· ·previously, is called Pangu Group.· So that is a | |\n| 13· ·business, and that is a part of my family's | |\n| 14· ·business. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·When you say your family's business, who | |\n| 17· ·in your family is involved with the Pangu Group? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·My uncles and also my cousins from my | |\n| 20· ·father's side, and brothers specifically, and also | |\n| 21· ·myself. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·So your brother, yourself, and uncles and | |\n| 24· ·cousins all on your father's side; is that correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Correction from the | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 20 of 210\n\n| Page 20
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · interpreter.· The witness was saying these |\n| ·3· · · · cousins are male cousins, not cousins plus |\n| ·4· · · · brothers, but rather my uncles, my cousins, |\n| ·5· · · · male cousins specifically. |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Let's clarify. |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Is your brother involved with the |\n| ·9· ·Pangu Group? |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·+ Which of your uncles is involved with |\n| 14· ·the Pangu Group? |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm going to object and |\n| 16· · · · further instruct the witness not to answer.· At |\n| 17· · · · this point, we're so far afield of why we're |\n| 18· · · · here today that I just don't see the relevance |\n| 19· · · · of any of this. |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I find it |\n| 21· · · · unfortunate that you've decided to appear on |\n| 22· · · · this case simply to obstruct.· Clearly that's |\n| 23· · · · your intention. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·The questions about who -- her family's |\n| 25· · · · involvement and how their businesses |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 21 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 21 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·interconnect are at the heart of this matter. | |\n| | |\n| ·3· ·If you read the counterclaims, you would know | |\n| ·4· ·that's exactly what is at issue. | |\n| ·5· · · · I'd ask you to stop objecting on baseless | |\n| ·6· ·grounds. | |\n| ·7· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'm not objecting on baseless | |\n| ·8· ·grounds.· And I'm trying not to obstruct the | |\n| ·9· ·deposition. | |\n| 10· · · · But at the end of the day, as I understand | |\n| 11· ·it, we're here today because you're exploring | |\n| 12· ·any connections between HKI and the debtor, and | |\n| 13· ·then any connections between HKI and Himalaya. | |\n| 14· · · · Whatever was happening around Pangu has | |\n| 15· ·nothing to do with the PJR proceeding.· This is | |\n| 16· ·not a general deposition in the bankruptcy. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, it is not for you | |\n| 18· ·to decide which topics I'm allowed to ask about | |\n| 19· ·in this. | |\n| 20· · · · If you read the counterclaims, right, | |\n| 21· ·which I'm sure you have, you know that there's | |\n| 22· ·many allegations regarding multiple family | |\n| 23· ·businesses other than HKI and Himalaya, | |\n| 24· ·correct? | |\n| 25· · · · MR. VARTAN:· We're not here on a | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 22 ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo ·2· ·general -- ·3· · · · MR. LUFT:· It's not about general.· These ·4· ·are the counterclaims in this case. ·5· · · · MR. VARTAN:· It has nothing do with any of ·6· ·the other business.· It has to do with HKI. ·7· ·She's happy to answer any questions you have ·8· ·about her businesses. ·9· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, my questions go to 10· ·HKI.· They go to where she gets her money.· It 11· ·goes to all of this.· It's directly at issue in 12· ·the counterclaims, directly at issue as to our 13· ·ability to prove our case. 14· · · · I'd ask you to stop interfering with the 15· ·deposition. 16· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'm not interfering.· I'm 17· ·trying to keep the deposition on target. 18· ·You've not asked one question about HKI. 19· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I am literally on 20· ·the first page of my introduction.· I promise 21· ·you, we will ask about HKI.· Okay? 22· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'd ask that you do it sooner 23· ·than later, otherwise we'll be here all day 24· ·speaking about -- 25· · · · MR. LUFT:· I'm sorry about your day.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 23 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 23 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Okay?· But this is what we're going to do, and | |\n| ·3· ·I'm going to ask my questions how I want to ask | |\n| ·4· ·them. | |\n| ·5· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Please proceed. | |\n| ·6· · · · THE INTERPRETER:· Regarding the | |\n| ·7· ·communication, would you like the interpreter | |\n| ·8· ·to interpret the communication just now? | |\n| ·9· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Please. | |\n| 10· · · · THE INTERPRETER:· Do you mind, Angie -- | |\n| 11· · · · MR. LUFT:· I find this to just be time | |\n| 12· ·wasted.· I'm going to reserve for additional | |\n| 13· ·time. | |\n| 14· · · · THE INTERPRETER:· Sorry, Angie.· Do you | |\n| 15· ·mind going back to where the communication just | |\n| 16· ·stopped and the interpreter stopped | |\n| 17· ·interpreting? | |\n| 18· · · · (A discussion was held off the record.) | |\n| 19· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, what is the purpose | |\n| 20· ·of having all of this translated -- what is the | |\n| 21· ·purpose of requiring the interpreter to go back | |\n| 22· ·to go through our colloquy back and forth other | |\n| 23· ·than to waste time on the record? | |\n| 24· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Not to waste time.· I want to | |\n| 25· ·be sure that the witness fully understands and | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 24 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · appreciates what's happening at the deposition. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Your witness speaks English. ·4· · · · If she wants to testify in Mandarin, that's ·5· · · · fine, but you're wasting time. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You don't tell me what ·7· · · · language my witness speaks.· I've communicated ·8· · · · with my client and witness with the aid of an ·9· · · · interpreter in preparation for today's 10· · · · deposition.· You don't dictate to me what 11· · · · language she speaks. 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, keep wasting time. 13· · · · · · ·(Interpreter read record.) 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I'm done. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you speak and understand some 17· ·English, correct? 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. 19· · · · Q.· ·Do you speak English with friends? 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · Q.· ·Can you read English? 22· · · · A.· ·Some. 23· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll note for the record that 25· · · · what I can see on the live feed, that\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 25 of 210\n\nPage 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · translation exercise of just the colloquy took ·3· · · · almost five minutes. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, is your brother involved with the ·6· ·Pangu Group? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·8· · · · answered. ·9· · · · A.· ·No. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·+ Which of your uncles is involved with 12· ·the Pangu Group? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection and instruction. 14· · · · · · ·I'm instructing you not to answer which 15· · · · particular family members. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Which of your cousins are involved with 18· ·the Pangu Group? 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let me strike that. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Are you going to follow your counsel's 22· ·instruction? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And that basis of that 25· · · · instruction is not privilege, correct?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 26 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· The basis of that is security ·3· · · · interest. ·4· · · · · · ·(Reporter requests clarification.) ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You said the basis of that is ·6· · · · the security interest for the family, correct? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Correct. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Again, the issues about ·9· · · · security can be addressed under the protective 10· · · · order.· You can mark it as highly confidential, 11· · · · but you cannot instruct the witness not to 12· · · · answer because, you believe, of any security 13· · · · concerns. 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Understood.· I'm instructing 15· · · · her not to answer for now. 16· · · · · · ·Happy to revisit it at the break. 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan -- 18· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Can I speak? 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No.· Only when a question is 20· · · · pending. 21· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· There is a question pending. 23· · · · · · ·You're welcome to answer the question. 24· · · · A.· ·What was the question again?· I can't 25· ·remember.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 27 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Which of your uncles are involved in the ·4· ·Pangu Group? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. ·6· · · · A.· ·So thank you so much for the reminder ·7· ·because this case is open to the public in China. ·8· ·So I can answer this question. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Oh, okay.· In that case, 10· · · · please proceed. 11· · · · A.· ·So before I started to take the position 12· ·there, my uncles, including the fourth older brother 13· ·of my father, the fifth older brother of my father, 14· ·and the sixth older brother of my father, managed 15· ·Pangu together. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·And then once you were hired, they stopped 18· ·managing it? 19· · · · A.· ·So I want to explain the situation back 20· ·then.· It's not just that I was hired, but rather, 21· ·all of my family members were put into prison by the 22· ·communist party.· And when they came back out, they 23· ·all had health issues.· And one was even admitted 24· ·into a psychology hospital. 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Psychiatric.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 28 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Correction.· It's not a ·3· · · · psychological hospital.· It's a psychiatric. ·4· · · · A.· ·So there was nobody managing the business. ·5· ·So I volunteered to do it. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·What are the names of your fourth, fifth, ·8· ·and sixth older brother uncles? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Older brother uncles? I 10· · · · don't understand. 11· · · · A.· ·I really don't remember their names. I 12· ·never called them by their names. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you mentioned cousins. 15· · · · · · ·+ What are the names of your cousins who 16· ·are involved at the Pangu Group? 17· · · · A.· ·I'm really sorry because my cousins have 18· ·never disclosed their names to the public.· So I 19· ·don't want to name them. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Well, we can mark this as highly 21· ·confidential. 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'll instruct the witness not 23· · · · to answer. 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·Are you going to follow your counsel's\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 29 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·instruction? ·3· · · · A.· ·I really don't want to answer this ·4· ·question. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And you're not instructing her ·6· · · · on the grounds of privilege, correct? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Not on the grounds of ·8· · · · privilege. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· What is the basis? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same basis as before, that 11· · · · there are real and genuine security concerns 12· · · · which she's now repeatedly expressed on the 13· · · · record for her family and her extended family 14· · · · in China. 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I've heard you 16· · · · express it many times on the record.· Not the 17· · · · witness. 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Well, we can ask her about 19· · · · it. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I don't. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Putting aside who managed the building 23· ·before you, who are the members of the family fund 24· ·that pay you the salary to run Pangu Plaza? 25· · · · A.· ·In our family fund, there are over 100\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 30 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 30 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·family members. | | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is anyone in charge of the family fund? | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·No.· It's under co-management. | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Do all 100 people have equal votes or does | | |\n| ·6· ·someone have more of a say than another? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Whoever makes a bigger contribution to the | | |\n| ·8· ·family fund will have a bigger say. | | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who's made the biggest contributions to | | |\n| 10· ·the family fund? | | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I think it's me at the moment. | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·How much have you contributed to the | | |\n| 15· ·family fund? | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· If you understand | | |\n| 17· · · · what \"contribution\" means. | | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·My understanding of a contribution is | | |\n| 19· ·starting from 2016, when there was no one managing | | |\n| 20· ·Pangu Group, I brought the business back.· And over | | |\n| 21· ·the past years since then, I've made the biggest | | |\n| 22· ·contribution. | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Is that a monetary contribution or just a | | |\n| 25· ·contribution of your time? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 31 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Both.· And I made a lot of money. ·3· · · · Q.· ·How much money have you contributed to the ·4· ·family fund? ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember specifically, but ever ·6· ·since 2016, I've broken the record of the highest ·7· ·amount earned through Pangu Hotel and the rent. ·8· · · · Q.· ·So you're saying the business has done ·9· ·well? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes, the business of Pangu Group, correct. 11· · · · Q.· ·Who has made the biggest personal 12· ·contribution in terms of funds contributed into the 13· ·family fund? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · · · ·Once again, if you understand that 16· · · · question, but -- 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, please stop with 18· · · · your speaking objections. 19· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about this answer. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Have you contributed any money, not in 22· ·terms of what you've helped the company earn, but 23· ·have you contributed any money into the family fund? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·No.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 32 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Who in your family has contributed the ·4· ·most money into the family fund? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I really don't know. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·To be clear, what other assets other than ·9· ·Pangu Plaza does the family fund hold? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·There's Pangu Group and Jung Chen Group. 12· · · · · · ·There's a Pangu Group and the 13· ·Zenith Group. 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Spelled Z-N-I-T-H.· Or 15· · · · it might be spelled as Z-E-N-I-T-H.· I'm not 16· · · · quite sure. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Other than Pangu Plaza, what other assets 19· ·do any of those entities own? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·Can you name, other than yourself, the 24· ·name of any family member involved in the family 25· ·fund?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 33 of 210\n\nPage 33 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·3· · · · answered. ·4· · · · A.· ·I've already answered this question just ·5· ·now.· I really don't want to review the names of my ·6· ·family members here. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know the names of any family ·9· ·members other than yourself that are involved in 10· ·this family fund? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·I know some. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·How many? 15· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. 16· · · · Q.· ·And you won't tell me their names? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Let me just say, to the 18· · · · extent that you're comfortable sharing names 19· · · · such that it's not going to implicate security 20· · · · concerns, I certainly have no objection with 21· · · · you sharing names. 22· · · · A.· ·I just mentioned the fourth, fifth, and 23· ·sixth older brothers of my dad.· I really can't 24· ·remember their names.· You can look it up.· And then 25· ·there's myself, my older brother.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 34 of 210\n\nPage 34 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·As for other people, I really want to ·3· ·protect their privacy. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·So your older brother is involved in the ·6· ·family fund? ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·8· · · · Q.· ·But is your father involved in the family ·9· ·fund? 10· · · · A.· ·No. 11· · · · Q.· ·How about your mother? 12· · · · A.· ·No. 13· · · · Q.· ·How did your uncles earn the money that 14· ·enabled them to buy Pangu Plaza? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·When was Pangu Plaza purchased? 19· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 20· · · · Q.· ·Do you know what funds were used, the 21· ·source of -- sorry. 22· · · · · · ·Do you know the source of any of the funds 23· ·used to purchase Pangu Plaza? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and 25· · · · answered.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 35 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·How do you manage Pangu Plaza from the | |\n| ·5· ·United States? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I hold videoconferences on a weekly basis | |\n| ·7· ·with them.· And I've also authorized my manager to | |\n| ·8· ·take care of management, and they also regularly | |\n| ·9· ·send me forms. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Who do you hold videoconferences with? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Again, I just want to | |\n| 12· · · · interpose an objection this is very far afield | |\n| 13· · · · of why we're here. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·That would be the current department | |\n| 15· ·managers. | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·What forms do you sign? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Do you mean currently? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·As part of your role running Pangu Plaza. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I haven't signed any forms in recent | |\n| 21· ·years. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been deposed before? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you understand you're testifying | |\n| 25· ·under oath? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 36 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is there any reason you can't give | |\n| ·4· ·truthful testimony today? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I want to ask you questions.· If | |\n| ·7· ·for some reason you don't understand my questions, | |\n| ·8· ·will you let me know? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, could we have an agreement that | |\n| 11· ·to the extent I ask you a question and you do not | |\n| 12· ·tell me that you're having trouble understanding it, | |\n| 13· ·then I can assume that you do understand my | |\n| 14· ·question? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, who did you speak to to prepare | |\n| 17· ·for this deposition? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·My counsels. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Is that Mr. Vartan and Mr. Romney? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak with any other counsel? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak with any family members? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Did you review any documents in | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 37 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 37 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·preparation for this deposition? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I did review some together with my | |\n| ·4· ·counsels. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Did any of those documents refresh your | |\n| ·6· ·recollection? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand what that means. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Did any of those documents, when you | |\n| ·9· ·looked at them, help you remember something that you | |\n| 10· ·had not previously remembered? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes, some. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Which documents were those? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I can't remember now. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·If you remember during the deposition, | |\n| 15· ·will you let me know? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·And if I show you a document that was one | |\n| 18· ·of the ones that refreshed your recollection, can I | |\n| 19· ·ask you to let me know that as well? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Pangu Plaza has not been seized by the | |\n| 22· ·Chinese government? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Last year, they did drive all of the staff | |\n| 24· ·members and my grandfather on my dad's side onto the | |\n| 25· ·street.· I can't remember exactly in which month | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 39 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you know if all responsive documents in | |\n| ·4· ·connection with this litigation have been produced | |\n| ·5· ·to the trustee? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, what was the last school you | |\n| 10· ·attended? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Because the last time I testified in | |\n| 12· ·New York, my information was disclosed online and | |\n| 13· ·some teachers told me that they were harassed.· So | |\n| 14· ·in order to protect them, I don't want to say the | |\n| 15· ·name. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·+ We can mark this under the protective | |\n| 17· ·order.· But I just need to know, what is the last | |\n| 18· ·school you attended? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If the witness has safety | |\n| 20· · · · concerns or security concerns for herself or | |\n| 21· · · · loved ones, I'd instruct her not to answer. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Can I just try and understand what is the | |\n| 23· ·protection order you're mentioning, you refer to? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'll speak with her about | |\n| 25· · · · that on a break. | |\n| | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 40 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·What is the highest degree you've earned | |\n| ·4· ·in school? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·University graduate. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Where was that school located? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·New York. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·What type of degree did you graduate with? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·BA. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·And what was your major? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Director. | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Was it film school? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·What year did you graduate from film | |\n| 15· ·school? | | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·2012 or '13.· I think it was 2013 | |\n| 17· ·probably. | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·How many years did you go to school in | |\n| | 19· ·New York to earn that degree? | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·CHECK INTERPRETER:· She said \"12 | |\n| 21· · · · probably.\" | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Sorry.· Correction: | |\n| | 23· · · · \"It's 2012 or 2013.· And I think it's 2012.\" | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·And how many years were you in school | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 41 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 41 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·before you earned your degree? | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·It's four years of the University program | | |\n| ·4· ·and one year in language school. | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·And were you living in New York during | | |\n| ·6· ·those five years? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·So that would have been 2007 through 2012? | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Prior to attending college, did you direct | | |\n| 11· ·any films? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·When you graduated -- was the school NYU | | |\n| 16· ·which you went to? | | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·When you graduated film school in 2012, | | |\n| 21· ·did you stay in New York? | | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I did stay and shot several films, and | | |\n| 23· ·then I went back to China. | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·How long were you in New York after | | |\n| 25· ·graduating before going back to China? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 42 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 42 |\n|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·I can't remember.· Probably several | |\n| ·3· ·months. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Less than a year? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Who paid for film school? | |\n| | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Did you take loans to go to film school? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Did her father and mother pay for her | |\n| 15· ·college? | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·So just so I understand, prior to going to | |\n| | 20· ·film school, where did you live? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I studied in quite several apartments, all | |\n| 22· ·in New York. | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·My question wasn't clear. | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·Before you went to film school, so before | |\n| | 25· ·2007, what country did you live in? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 43 of 210\n\nPage 43 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·I was in China.· Sometimes in Hong Kong. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Did your family have homes in China and ·4· ·Hong Kong at that time? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·In China, yes.· But not in Hong Kong. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Where did you stay when you were in ·9· ·Hong Kong prior to leaving for film school in 2007? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·Hotel. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·And when you came -- and then from 2007 14· ·through 2012, you lived in New York? 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·And when you left New York, where did you 17· ·go? 18· · · · A.· ·I traveled for a while and then went back 19· ·to Beijing. 20· · · · Q.· ·How long did you travel? 21· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. 22· · · · Q.· ·How long -- when did you start living in 23· ·Beijing again? 24· · · · A.· ·I was in Beijing the whole time from 2014 25· ·to 2017.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 44 |\n|--------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·So from 2014 to 2017 you never lived in | |\n| ·3· ·Hong Kong? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·I never did. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Before 2014, did you ever live in | |\n| | ·6· ·Hong Kong other than in the hotel? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Where did you live? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·At my friend's. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·What friend was that? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·Friends in Hong Kong. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·When you lived in -- when you came in | |\n| | 15· ·2017, where did you live? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Hotel. | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·When you came to New York in 2017, you | |\n| 18· ·moved into a hotel? | | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Was it the Sherry-Netherland hotel? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·No.· I only stayed there for a couple of | |\n| 22· ·days. | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you reside in the Sherry-Netherland | |\n| 24· ·hotel now? | | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 45 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 45 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever resided in the | |\n| | ·3· ·Sherry-Netherland hotel? | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·Several years ago, yes. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·When was that? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·Just when I first came here in 2017. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Does your brother reside at the | |\n| | ·8· ·Sherry-Netherland hotel? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·He's resided there several times. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·When did he live there? | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·He did in 2017 and 2018.· That's probably | |\n| | 12· ·it.· I can't really remember. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Did your father reside at the | |\n| | 14· ·Sherry-Netherland hotel? | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·Yes, sometimes. | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Does he reside there now? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·You mean today? | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·I really don't know. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·How about within the past six months? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I think probably occasionally, but I don't | |\n| 22· ·really know. | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Where does your father reside when he's | |\n| | 24· ·not residing in the Sherry-Netherland hotel? | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·Connecticut. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 46 of 210\n\nPage 46 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What countries do you hold ·3· ·citizenship in? ·4· · · · A.· ·I have a Hong Kong passport. ·5· · · · Q.· ·How do you have a Hong Kong passport if ·6· ·you've never lived in Hong Kong as a resident? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·8· · · · A.· ·Because my parents are Hong Kong ·9· ·residents.· So automatically, the children would get 10· ·a Hong Kong passport. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·What address in Hong Kong is associated 13· ·with your passport? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you hold Chinese citizenship? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·Not at the moment. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever resided at 20 South Bay Road 22· ·in Hong Kong? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 24· · · · A.· ·No. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 47 of 210\n\nPage 47 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you hold a Chinese passport? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·5· · · · answered. ·6· · · · A.· ·No. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·The money you make as CEO of Pangu Plaza, ·9· ·how is that transferred to you? 10· · · · A.· ·That would be paid into my main salary 11· ·card. 12· · · · Q.· ·What is a salary card? 13· · · · A.· ·So in China, for everyone working, they 14· ·will have a card where the company would directly 15· ·make payments into.· It's appropriately similar to 16· ·direct deposit or something here. 17· · · · · · ·It is my personal card.· We all have one. 18· · · · Q.· ·Since you came to this country in 2017, 19· ·how has your Pangu Plaza salary been paid to you? 20· · · · A.· ·The same salary card. 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you have access to the money in that 22· ·salary card in the United States? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes.· The Bank of China has a branch here. 24· · · · Q.· ·And you have an account at the 25· ·Bank of China?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 48 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Does your father have an account at the ·4· ·Bank of China? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Does your brother have an account at the ·9· ·Bank of China? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·I asked about 20 South Bay Road. 14· · · · · · ·Have you ever resided at 22 South Bay Road 15· ·in Hong Kong? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Prior to your father -- when did your 20· ·father leave China? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Meaning for good? 22· · · · A.· ·He departed from Beijing in 2014, but 23· ·specifically, when did he depart from Hong Kong, I 24· ·can't remember. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 49 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Before he left Beijing, what did your ·4· ·father do to earn money? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Your father has described himself as a ·9· ·billionaire prior to leaving China. 10· · · · · · ·What did he do to earn a billion dollars 11· ·prior to leaving China? 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 13· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: 15· · · · Q.· ·Is anyone in your family a billionaire? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 17· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Is anyone in your family a millionaire? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·Are you a millionaire? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·I'm not at the moment.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 50 of 210\n\nPage 50 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is your brother a millionaire? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What does your brother do for work? ·8· · · · A.· ·My brother is an investor in many areas, ·9· ·many aspects, and he also helps with family 10· ·business. 11· · · · Q.· ·What is the source of funds your brother 12· ·uses to invest? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·What companies does your brother invest 17· ·in? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Which family members' money does your 22· ·brother invest? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 24· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 51 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 51 |\n|------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Where does your brother live? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·London. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·What address? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·What companies does your brother control? | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to the word | |\n| ·9· · · · \"control.\" | | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Do you know any companies that your | |\n| 13· ·brother owns? | | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Did your brother go to a university? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Where did he go? | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the name.· A university | |\n| | 19· ·in the UK that's the top ranking in the economics | |\n| 20· ·major. | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you know when he graduated? | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·I know that in recent years he also | |\n| | 23· ·studied in a master's course, but I'm not sure about | |\n| 24· ·the exact year. | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any other family in the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 52 of 210\n\nPage 52 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·United States? ·3· · · · A.· ·My parents. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Any other family in the UK other than your ·5· ·brother? ·6· · · · A.· ·No. ·7· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you saw your ·8· ·brother? ·9· · · · A.· ·Two years ago.· It's been two or 10· ·three years, approximately.· I don't remember. 11· · · · Q.· ·Since you've been in the United States 12· ·starting in 2017, how often has your brother come 13· ·from the UK to visit? 14· · · · A.· ·Maybe just once per year, or at a maximum 15· ·twice a year. 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Mr. Luft, we're coming up 17· · · · about on an hour and a half, so whenever may be 18· · · · a convenient break for the witness, I'd 19· · · · appreciate it. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·But in the past couple of years, he hasn't 23· ·made those trips? 24· · · · A.· ·That's correct. 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall the last time he came to\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 53 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 53 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·visit in the United States? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·It's approximately two or three years ago. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· We can take a break now. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Okay.· Thank you. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Excuse me. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·The time is 12:01 p.m.· We're going off | |\n| ·8· · · · the record. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 12:24 p.m.· We | |\n| 11· · · · are back on the record. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, a quick follow-up question from | |\n| 14· ·what we were discussing before.· You said you worked | |\n| 15· ·with a manager of the Pangu Plaza. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·What is their name? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·So there's not just one manager, but | |\n| 19· ·department managers.· There are six or seven of | |\n| 20· ·them. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·What are their names? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I don't call them by | |\n| 24· ·their names. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·What do you call them by? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I just say \"Hi everyone.\" |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·And since people have been locked out of |\n| ·6· ·the building for the past year, have you -- during |\n| ·7· ·that time, has Pangu Plaza generated any funds? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No.· The money is also locked inside. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·You mentioned that you have a personal |\n| 10· ·bank account at the Bank of China in New York; is |\n| 11· ·that correct? |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·So this account was opened in China, but I |\n| 13· ·can also use it in New York. |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Other than the Bank of China, is there any |\n| 15· ·other banks where you hold personal bank accounts? |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Very recently, I've already had five to |\n| 18· ·six bank accounts locked in the US. |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·What do you mean when you say you have had |\n| 21· ·five or six bank accounts locked in the US? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·It's that whenever I open an account with |\n| 23· ·any bank and use it for a little while, it gets |\n| 24· ·locked. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·And the most recent one was locked last |\n| |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 55 of 210\n\nPage 55 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·week, and I haven't had the opportunity to get ·3· ·another one. ·4· · · · Q.· ·What bank was that with? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, ·7· ·First Republic -- oh, no, I can't remember -- yes, ·8· ·First Republic. ·9· · · · · · ·And these are the ones that I can remember 10· ·for now. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Did any of those banks give you an 13· ·explanation for why your bank account was locked? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·Entire, not. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·And I'm told -- is the proper translation 18· ·\"closed,\" not \"locked\"? 19· · · · A.· ·Right.· So they canceled my account number 20· ·and told me that they will never have a business 21· ·relationship with me. 22· · · · Q.· ·Other than telling you that they would 23· ·never have a business relationship with you, did any 24· ·of those banks give you any further explanation for 25· ·why they would not have a business relationship with\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 56 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·you? ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·4· · · · A.· ·No.· I've asked, and they just told me ·5· ·it's not up to them. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·You're the legal owner -- let me strike ·8· ·that. ·9· · · · · · ·You're familiar with an entity called 10· ·Hong Kong International USA? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·And you allege that you are the owner of 13· ·that entity, correct? 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·And Hong Kong International USA has no 16· ·bank accounts, correct? 17· · · · A.· ·Correct. 18· · · · Q.· ·Other than Hong Kong International USA, is 19· ·there any other entity that you allege that you own? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·Yes. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·What is the name of that entity? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·I can't remember now.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 57 of 210\n\nPage 57 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Can you -- is it more than one entity? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes, probably. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What do you recall about the ·8· ·entities that you own? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember now. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Are you the legal owner of that entity? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · · · ·I think I'd just ask for clarification 15· · · · what entity you're referring to? 16· · · · A.· ·My question is which entity. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·I asked you if -- other than Hong Kong 19· ·International USA, if there's any other entity that 20· ·you own.· You told me that there was but you don't 21· ·remember the name. 22· · · · · · ·So I'm asking you about that entity that 23· ·you state that you own that is not Hong Kong 24· ·International USA. 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· She said there were multiple\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 58 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · entities. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No, she didn't.· She said she ·4· · · · doesn't recall.· Maybe. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I think the question is ·6· · · · confusing. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Honestly, if you'd like ·8· · · · to be deposed next, let me know and I'll -- but ·9· · · · right now I'm just going to talk to Ms. Guo, 10· · · · okay? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm happy -- I'm happy to be 12· · · · deposed. 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm sure you are. 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm happy to be deposed. 15· · · · He's welcome to depose me right now. 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You've been testifying all day. 17· · · · I'm sure you do. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I'm asking you about whatever 20· ·entity that you were referring to.· So let's just 21· ·clarify this. 22· · · · · · ·Other than Hong Kong USA, is there more 23· ·than one entity that you are the owner of? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·So you mean that you are asking me how\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 59 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·many? ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Let's start with that.· How many entities ·5· ·other than Hong Kong USA do you allege that you own? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·7· · · · A.· ·I really didn't know previously but ·8· ·recently I've overheard your colleague, Luc, ·9· ·threatening my dad, saying that I have nine 10· ·companies. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Where did you overhear Mr. Despins? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The name? 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· D-E-S-P-I-N-S. 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· And I would just say that 17· · · · it -- 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, please stop 19· · · · interfering. 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I need to interpose an 21· · · · objection. 22· · · · · · ·If you learned from counsel about these 23· · · · conversations, then I'd ask you not to speak 24· · · · about conversations with counsel. 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember exactly when.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 60 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 60 |\n|-------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever attended any hearings? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been in a room with | |\n| ·6· ·Mr. Despins? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been on a phone call with | |\n| ·9· ·Mr. Despins? | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·In fact, you've never heard Mr. Despins | |\n| | 12· ·say anything to your father, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Are you -- putting aside what anyone may | |\n| | 17· ·have told you about what Mr. Despins may or may not | |\n| | 18· ·have said, to your knowledge, how many entities do | |\n| | 19· ·you believe that you own other than Hong Kong | |\n| 20· ·International USA? | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Do you control those entities? | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 61 of 210\n\nPage 61 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·What are their names? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I can't remember now. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·What businesses are they in? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·As far as I know, there's no business 11· ·currently. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Where are they located? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·Are you referring to the location of the 16· ·company? 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Uh-huh. 19· · · · A.· ·At this moment, these companies don't have 20· ·a physical address. 21· · · · Q.· ·Do any of these companies have employees? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 23· · · · A.· ·No. 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·Do any of these entities have assets?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 62 of 210\n\nPage 62 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·3· · · · A.· ·My yacht. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Other than Hong Kong International USA, do ·6· ·any of the entities that you purport to own have any ·7· ·assets? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·9· · · · A.· ·Just my yacht. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Is that an asset that is held by any 12· ·entity other than Hong Kong International USA? 13· · · · A.· ·You're referring to the yacht, my yacht? 14· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking other than Hong Kong 15· ·International USA, do any of the other entities you 16· ·own and control have an interest in the Lady May? 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· · · · Q.· ·So is it fair to say that -- strike that. 19· · · · · · ·Did you establish these other entities 20· ·that you own and control -- 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·-- other than Hong Kong International USA? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·They were not established by me.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 63 of 210\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 63 |\n|----|-----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Who were they established by? | |\n| | | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·How did you acquire those entities? | |\n| | | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | | ·9· · · · A.· ·They were transferred to me. | |\n| | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | 11· · · · Q.· ·Who transferred those entities to you? | |\n| | | 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | | 13· · · · A.· ·People managing the family fund. | |\n| | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | 15· · · · Q.· ·Which people? | |\n| | | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | | 17· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the exact. | |\n| | 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | 19· · · · Q.· ·Can you remember anyone who transferred | |\n| | | 20· ·you one of these companies that you now own? | |\n| | | 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | | 22· · · · A.· ·Yes.· HKI.· This company was transferred | |\n| | 23· ·to me by Ms. Qu. | | |\n| | | 24· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Spelled as Q-U. | |\n| 25 | | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 64 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Other than Hong Kong International, can | | |\n| ·4· ·you tell me anyone who transferred one of the | | |\n| ·5· ·entities you purport to own? | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Why did they -- other than Hong Kong | | |\n| 10· ·International, why were any of these entities that | | |\n| 11· ·you purport to own transferred to you? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·So I can help managing the company. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Do any of those companies have operations? | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·At the moment, no. | | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Did they ever have operations from the | | |\n| 20· ·time she's held them? | | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Not yet. | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·So if they have no operations, what do you | | |\n| 25· ·do to manage them? | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 65 of 210\n\nPage 65 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·3· · · · A.· ·Nothing. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Just to be clear, do any of those entities ·6· ·have -- well, you told me Hong Kong International ·7· ·doesn't have a bank account. ·8· · · · · · ·Do any of these other entities that you ·9· ·purport to own have bank accounts? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if any of them have any 14· ·assets? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Who made the decision that other 19· ·than Hong Kong International, those entities that 20· ·you purport to own should be transferred to you? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 22· · · · A.· ·People from the family fund. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·Which people? 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 66 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·At that time, it was a decision reached by | | |\n| ·3· ·negotiation with everybody. | | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Specifically, which people made the | | |\n| ·6· ·decision to send -- to transfer these companies that | | |\n| ·7· ·did not have assets and operations to your | | |\n| ·8· ·ownership? | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Can the interpreter | | |\n| 11· · · · clarify single or plural from the witness? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure. | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·My uncles and also myself. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Which uncles? | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·At the time, it was the fifth and the | | |\n| 18· ·sixth older brothers of my dad. | | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·And these are the same uncles whose names | | |\n| 21· ·you don't know? | | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Right. | | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Why did they establish these companies? | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 67 of 210\n\nPage 67 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·You said you had a discussion with them. ·6· · · · · · ·What was the reason for why those ·7· ·companies were transferred to your ownership? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·9· · · · answered. 10· · · · A.· ·The specific reason is in 2017, I came 11· ·back to the US.· So compared with them, I have a 12· ·better personal security.· So the decision was to 13· ·first transfer them to me. 14· · · · · · ·And also, because I was managing 15· ·Pangu Plaza at that time, and that's my 16· ·responsibility as part of the family fund. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Do you know in what country these 19· ·companies are incorporated? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·Hong Kong probably. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you own any cars? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Sorry.· I didn't\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 68 of 210\n\nPage 68 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · understand. ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you own any cars? ·5· · · · A.· ·No.· I don't know how to drive. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do any of the entities that you control ·7· ·have any cars listed in their names? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Does the family fund control any cars that 12· ·are located in the United States? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Do any of the companies that you control 17· ·have as an asset an airplane? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·It has happened. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Which companies that you control had an 22· ·airplane as an asset? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember the name. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 69 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·When did they hold the plane as an asset? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·I think it was probably in 2017 or 2018. ·6· ·I don't remember the exact date. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·What happened to that plane? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·We didn't really use it much, and it's 11· ·hard to manage.· So we put it into the market for 12· ·many years.· Eventually it sold. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·When was the plane sold? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 16· · · · A.· ·It was summer last year, and it had been 17· ·in the market for many years. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·So this past summer? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·Yes. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·When you say \"we sold it,\" who is the 24· ·\"we\"? 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 70 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 70 |\n|----------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·So that would be a word introduced by the | |\n| | ·3· ·interpreter.· I didn't specifically say \"we.\"· The | |\n| | ·4· ·interpreter said \"we.\" | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So who made the decision to sell | |\n| | ·7· ·the plane in the summer of 2022? | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Me. | | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·And when in the summer of 2022 did you | |\n| 12· ·sell the plane? | | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Who did you sell the plane to? | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the party's name that I | |\n| 19· ·sold it to. | | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·How much did you sell the plane for? | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·I think it's over 10 million. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·And what happened to those funds? | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 71 of 210\n\nPage 71 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·3· · · · A.· ·My brother helped me to take care of the ·4· ·funds.· I don't know about the specifics. ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·6· · · · Q.· ·How did your brother help you take care of ·7· ·the funds? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·9· · · · A.· ·How he took care of it?· I'm not sure if I 10· ·understand what that means. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Well, you said that your brother helped 13· ·you take care of the funds.· So I want to 14· ·understand; what did he do? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 16· · · · A.· ·He helped me to negotiate on the price and 17· ·then sold it.· That's it. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·And once you sold it, where did those 20· ·\\$10 million in funds go? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 22· · · · A.· ·Now it's at somewhere with a third party. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·Which third party holds the \\$10 million 25· ·from the sale of the airplane?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 72 of 210\n\nPage 72 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·You don't know where \\$10 million is that ·6· ·you received for the sale of a plane that a company ·7· ·you own controlled? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·9· · · · answered. 10· · · · A.· ·I've just mentioned at a third party. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·What third party? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·If you wanted to get that \\$10 million, how 17· ·would you find it, given that you don't know the 18· ·name of the third party who's holding it? 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 20· · · · A.· ·I'll ask my brother. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·So you have no knowledge who has that 23· ·\\$10 million right now? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Asked and answered. 25· · · · A.· ·I just don't remember the name of them.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 73 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 73 |\n|--------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is it a person or a corporation? | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Who's the owner of that \\$10 million? | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Me. | | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Is it possible that that \\$10 million -- | |\n| 12· ·strike that. | | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·Where was the sale done? | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·What type of plane was it? | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·So the exact model, I think it might have | |\n| | 20· ·been 747.· It's pretty big. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Is it a plane you had traveled on with | |\n| 23· ·your family? | | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·Yes.· When I was a kid back in China, I | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 74 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 74 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·traveled with my family on it. | |\n| | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·How old were you then? | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I was a teenager. | |\n| | ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·So how old is this plane? | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·I think it's probably 15 years. | |\n| | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·And you don't recall which of your | |\n| | 13· ·entities held that plane -- | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·-- prior to the sale this summer? | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the full name.· I think | |\n| | 19· ·it's probably Whitcraft. | |\n| | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you flew on the | |\n| | 22· ·plane? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 75 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time your father flew on | |\n| ·4· ·the plane? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't remember either. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does Hong Kong International USA | |\n| ·9· ·file tax returns? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Where does it file tax returns? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·In New York.· I'm not sure. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you have copies of those tax returns? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Not at the moment. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Who holds copies of those tax returns? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The person who does tax for me. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·And when you were in Hong Kong, did you | |\n| 18· ·file -- Hong Kong International, did it file tax | |\n| 19· ·returns? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you know why Mr. Vartan would have | |\n| 22· ·written to O'Melveny & Myers and told them that | |\n| 23· ·Hong Kong International does not file tax returns? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I'm actually a bit confused now. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 76 of 210\n\n| | Page 76 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·Now we're talking about Hong Kong | |\n| ·3· ·International, right? | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·No.· Hong Kong International USA. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·Do you know why Mr. Vartan would have told | |\n| ·7· ·O'Melveny & Myers in 2021 that Hong Kong | |\n| ·8· ·International USA does not file tax returns? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·That's because this company now doesn't | |\n| 11· ·make any profits. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·I think I probably made a mistake myself | |\n| 13· ·earlier because I don't really remember details | |\n| 14· ·about the tax. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·When you said you made a mistake, what do | |\n| 17· ·you mean?· Does Hong Kong International USA file tax | |\n| 18· ·returns or not? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·I'm not -- I'm really not sure. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You allege that the Lady May was | |\n| 21· ·given to you as a gift, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Did you declare it as a gift for taxes in | |\n| 24· ·any country? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 77 of 210\n\nPage 77 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Again, if this is calling for advice of ·3· · · · counsel or conversations with counsel, you ·4· · · · can't disclose that. ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·You don't know if you declared -- let me ·8· ·just be very clear. ·9· · · · · · ·Have you ever declared the Lady May as a 10· ·gift for purposes of taxes filed in the 11· ·United States by yourself or Hong Kong 12· ·International? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Same admonition, 14· · · · that if this implicates -- 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· This is a yes-or-no question, 16· · · · Counsel.· These are completely improper. 17· · · · · · ·Counsel, there's no privilege issue to 18· · · · asking yes or no, did she declare it on her 19· · · · taxes.· Right? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If she was directed by her 21· · · · attorneys to do one thing -- 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm not asking what advice 23· · · · she got.· I'm asking yes or no, did something 24· · · · happen. 25· · · · · · ·Counsel, this is improper.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 78 of 210\n\nPage 78 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm allowed to interpose my ·3· · · · objection. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead, Ms. Guo.· Please answer the ·6· ·question. ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever declare the Lady May as gift ·9· ·for purposes of filing taxes in Hong Kong? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. 11· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Is there any country that you know of for 14· ·which you declared the Lady May as a gift for 15· ·purposes of filing taxes? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. 17· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Are you familiar with a woman named 20· ·Yvette Wang? 21· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I know her. 22· · · · Q.· ·Who is Ms. Wang? 23· · · · A.· ·She's my friend and she's also worked at 24· ·my brother's company. 25· · · · Q.· ·What company is that?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 79 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·(A discussion was held off the record.) | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The interpreter stands | |\n| | ·4· · · · corrected.· The witness said \"She worked for my | |\n| ·5· · · · brother.\" | | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·What does Ms. Wang do for your brother? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·She works at my brother's family fund | |\n| ·9· ·office. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·And what is the name of your brother's | |\n| 11· ·family fund office? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·Golden Spring, New York. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Does she still work there? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Where does she work now? | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·When did she stop working there? | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know the exact time. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·What's your best estimate? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·Last year. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Before or after your father declared | |\n| 22· ·bankruptcy? | | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·After, I think. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·How long after your father declared | |\n| | 25· ·bankruptcy did Ms. Wang leave her employment at | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 80 of 210\n\nPage 80 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·Golden Spring? ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you know Ms. Wang's phone number? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know where Ms. Wang lives? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·If you had to send her a letter, what 13· ·address would you send it to? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·I don't write letters to her. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you have her email address? 18· · · · A.· ·No. 19· · · · Q.· ·Who else works at Golden Spring other than 20· ·Ms. Wang? 21· · · · A.· ·A lot of people.· I don't know their 22· ·names. 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you know anyone's name other than 24· ·Ms. Wang who has worked at Golden Spring? 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 81 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 81 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you saw Ms. Wang? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·Last month. | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·It's January now, right?· It's been one or | |\n| ·5· ·two months. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Where did you see Ms. Wang? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·In Connecticut. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·At your parents' home? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you believe Ms. Wang to be honest? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·To be truthful? | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·I really don't understand, you know, these | |\n| 17· · · · questions. | | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan -- | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· At this point they're so far | |\n| | 20· · · · afield -- I mean, we've been far afield all | |\n| | 21· · · · day, but these in particular are completely out | |\n| 22· · · · of bounds. | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·You can answer. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 82 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · Q.· ·If Ms. Wang said that an entity she worked ·3· ·for was actually controlled by Mr. Kwok, would you ·4· ·have any reason to believe that she was not telling ·5· ·the truth? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·7· · · · A.· ·When did she say that and where did she ·8· ·say that? ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·I'm just asking you, if she was to make a 11· ·statement that an entity she worked for was actually 12· ·controlled by your father, would you have any reason 13· ·to believe she wasn't telling the truth? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· If you have a 15· · · · copy of the statement that you want to share 16· · · · with the witness, by all means.· But these are, 17· · · · you know, unfair questions.· You're asking 18· · · · hypotheticals topped on hypotheticals. 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: 20· · · · Q.· ·You can answer. 21· · · · A.· ·I would like to see that document. 22· · · · Q.· ·I'm just asking you a question. 23· · · · · · ·If that's what she said, would you have 24· ·any reason to believe she wasn't telling the truth? 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· She's answered\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 83 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · your question. ·3· · · · A.· ·I haven't seen this thing and I don't know ·4· ·whether she actually said that.· I can't really say ·5· ·whether she was not telling the truth. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you know a person named Max Krasner? ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes, I know. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who is Mr. Krasner? 10· · · · A.· ·A person that works at my brother's 11· ·company, Golden Spring. 12· · · · Q.· ·Sorry.· Let me step back one second. 13· · · · · · ·Has Ms. Wang ever worked for you or one of 14· ·your companies? 15· · · · A.· ·No. 16· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever authorized Ms. Wang to take 17· ·actions on behalf of you or one of your companies? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·What did Mr. Krasner do at Golden Spring? 22· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about the specifics. 23· ·Probably management. 24· · · · Q.· ·Does Mr. Krasner still work at 25· ·Golden Spring?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 84 of 210\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 84 | |\n|---------------------|--|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·No. | | | | |\n| | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Krasner stop working at | | |\n| ·4· ·Golden Spring? | | | | |\n| | | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | | ·6· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection? | | |\n| | | ·7· · · · A.· ·Also last year. | | |\n| | | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Before or after your father declared | | |\n| ·9· ·bankruptcy? | | | | |\n| | | 10· · · · A.· ·After. | | |\n| | | 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know where Mr. Krasner works now? | | |\n| | | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| | | 13· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you spoke to | | |\n| 14· ·Mr. Krasner? | | | | |\n| | | 15· · · · A.· ·Last year. | | |\n| | | 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever speak to Mr. Krasner about | | |\n| | | 17· ·Hong Kong International? | | |\n| | | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | | 19· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever speak to Ms. Wang about | | |\n| | | 20· ·Hong Kong International? | | |\n| | | 21· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | | 22· · · · Q.· ·Do you know someone named Fiona Yu? | | |\n| | | 23· · · · A.· ·It sounds very familiar, but I don't | | |\n| 24· ·remember. | | | | |\n| | | 25· · · · Q.· ·How about Daniel Podhaskie? | | |\n| | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 85 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 85 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·I think this person was probably also an | |\n| | ·3· ·employee of Golden Spring. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have any business dealings | |\n| | ·5· ·with Mr. Podhaskie? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have -- did you ever speak to | |\n| | ·8· ·Mr. Podhaskie regarding Hong Kong International? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Does Mr. Podhaskie work at Golden Spring | |\n| 11· ·currently? | | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have any business dealings | |\n| 14· ·with Ms. Wang? | | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you spoke to | |\n| 17· ·Mr. Podhaskie? | | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Who is Aaron Mitchell? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·My counsel. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Mitchell start serving as | |\n| 22· ·your counsel? | | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·It's been many years. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·When did he first start becoming your | |\n| 25· ·counsel? | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 86 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 86 | |\n|---------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Why did you hire Mr. Mitchell? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·Because I need Mr. Mitchell. | | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that Mr. Mitchell is also | | |\n| | ·8· ·your father's lawyer? | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Is Mr. Mitchell currently your counsel? | | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Was Mr. Mitchell your counsel during the | | |\n| | 13· ·time of the PAX litigation between PAX and your | | |\n| 14· ·father? | | | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you know Melissa Francis? | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever had any dealings with | | |\n| | 19· ·Melissa Francis through Golden Spring? | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·She just said she doesn't know | | |\n| | 22· · · · Melissa Francis. | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·No. | | | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·If I told you that Ms. Francis was the | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 87 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 87 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·general counsel at Golden Spring, would that refresh | |\n| ·3· ·your recollection? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· We are going to mark as Mei Guo | |\n| ·8· ·Deposition Exhibit 1 what I believe you will tell me | |\n| ·9· ·is a copy of the affidavit you submitted to the | |\n| 10· ·State Supreme Court of the State of New York in | |\n| 11· ·connection with the Pacific Alliance Asia | |\n| 12· ·Opportunity Fund v. Ho Wan Kwok, Genever Holdings, | |\n| 13· ·and Genever Holdings Corporation litigation. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 1 was received and marked | |\n| 15· · · · for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·(Witness reviews document.) | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you recognize this document? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·If we turn to page 5 of 6, is that your | |\n| 21· ·signature? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·And is everything you put in this | |\n| 24· ·affidavit that was submitted to the Court in the | |\n| 25· ·Supreme Court, State of New York, truthful and | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 88 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·accurate? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Is there anything in this affidavit that ·5· ·you would want to change, sitting here today? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If you need to read it in ·7· · · · full, obviously, you have that ability. ·8· · · · A.· ·Let me take a look. ·9· · · · · · ·(Witness reviews document.) 10· · · · · · ·I'm done. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Having now reread your entire affidavit, 13· ·is there anything in it that you believe is 14· ·inaccurate? 15· · · · A.· ·No. 16· · · · Q.· ·Is there anything in it that you wish to 17· ·change? 18· · · · A.· ·No. 19· · · · Q.· ·If you're called as a witness at the 20· ·hearing in connection with this litigation, would 21· ·you give the same testimony as you have set forth in 22· ·this affidavit? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes, I would. 24· · · · Q.· ·Other than what is set forth in this 25· ·affidavit, if you were called as a witness in this\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 89 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·hearing, is there anything else, sitting here today, | |\n| ·3· ·that you intend to testify to at the hearing before | |\n| ·4· ·Judge Manning at the bankruptcy court? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· How could she | |\n| ·6· · · · possibly answer that? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand the question. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Does it mean that if I would be saying the | |\n| ·9· ·same things I'm saying here today at the court? | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Maybe I'll ask it a different way. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·In writing this declaration that you | |\n| 13· ·submitted to the Supreme Court of the State of | |\n| 14· ·New York, did you intend to include all pertinent | |\n| 15· ·facts that you thought the Court should know with | |\n| 16· ·regard to HK International USA and your assertion of | |\n| 17· ·ownership with regard to the Lady May? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Sitting here today, are there any other | |\n| 22· ·facts that you are aware of that you think the | |\n| 23· ·bankruptcy court should know with regard to | |\n| 24· ·HK International USA and your assertion that | |\n| 25· ·HK International USA is the owner of Lady May? | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 90 of 210\n\nPage 90 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· How could she ·3· · · · possibly answer that? ·4· · · · · · ·If you have a specific question -- ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, stop. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I mean, that's not a ·7· · · · permissible question. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It is a completely permissible ·9· · · · question.· I'm tired of you wasting time. 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm not wasting any time. 11· · · · That is an impossible question to answer. 12· · · · You're asking her to set forth from the 13· · · · beginning of time -- 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan?· No.· I said 15· · · · \"sitting here today.\" 16· · · · · · ·Please listen to my question.· Stop 17· · · · interrupting. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, please answer my question. 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't see how she can 21· · · · possibly answer that question.· I don't know 22· · · · how anyone could.· But if you can -- 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, do we have to go to 24· · · · the Court?· I'm tired of, before every time I 25· · · · ask a question, you telling the witness \"That's\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 91 of 210\n\nPage 91 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · not one you could possibly answer.\" ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't know how anyone -- I ·4· · · · couldn't even answer that question. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, guess what?· You don't ·6· · · · know any of the facts, so that doesn't surprise ·7· · · · me.· You're not getting deposed today.· She's ·8· · · · the fact witness. ·9· · · · · · ·Please let her answer the question without 10· · · · your interference. 11· · · · A.· ·I'm not quite sure what this question is. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Your counsel has listed you as a witness 14· ·for the upcoming PJR hearing. 15· · · · · · ·Are you aware of that? 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. 17· · · · Q.· ·Is it your intention to offer testimony on 18· ·behalf of the lawsuit you have brought and against 19· ·the counterclaims brought by the trustee at the PJR 20· ·hearing? 21· · · · A.· ·Yes. 22· · · · Q.· ·Other than the facts that you have set 23· ·forth in what has been marked as Mei Guo Deposition 24· ·Exhibit 1, which is your affidavit, are there any 25· ·other facts that you intend to offer in affirmative\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 92 of 210\n\n| Page 92
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·testimony to the bankruptcy court in connection with | |\n| ·3· ·the PJR hearing? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to the form of that | |\n| ·5· · · · question. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·At the moment, no. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·I'm marking as Mei Guo deposition | |\n| ·9· ·Exhibit 2 what I believe you will tell me is a copy | |\n| 10· ·of the hearing transcript from February 2nd, 2022, | |\n| 11· ·before Justice Ostrager in the PAX v. Genever | |\n| 12· ·Holdings litigation. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 2 was received and marked | |\n| 14· · · · for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you attended this hearing, | |\n| 17· ·correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Were you there for the entirety of the | |\n| 20· ·hearing? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·Not the entire hearing.· Just when I was | |\n| 22· ·needed. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan represented you at that | |\n| 24· ·hearing? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 93 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 93 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·And you're aware that Mr. Vartan appeared | | |\n| ·3· ·on behalf of Hong Kong International; is that | | |\n| ·4· ·correct? | | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan presented you as a witness | | |\n| ·7· ·at the hearing? | | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan presented other witnesses | | |\n| 10· ·on behalf of Hong Kong International at the hearing, | | |\n| 11· ·correct? | | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't quite remember. | | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall Mr. Vartan also appeared on | | |\n| 14· ·your behalf at the hearing? | | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall someone named | | |\n| 17· ·Russell Stockil? | | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Who is Mr. Stockil? | | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The person responsible at the management | | |\n| 21· ·company of my yacht. | | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall that Mr. Vartan presented | | |\n| 23· ·Mr. Stockil as a witness at the hearing? | | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·I'll ask you to turn to page 76 of the | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 94 of\n\n210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo
·2· ·hearing transcript.· Specifically, I'm going to
·3· ·direct you to lines 9 through 12.
·4· · · · · · ·Do you see the question is to Mr. Stockil:
·5· · · · · · · · · \"The representatives that you refer
·6· · · · · · ·to in paragraph 3, namely the
·7· · · · · · ·representatives of HK USA who contacted
·8· · · · · · ·you, none of them was Ms. Mei Guo,
·9· · · · · · ·correct?\"
10· · · · · · · · · \"Yes, that's correct.\"
11· · · · · · ·Do you see that testimony?
12· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it.
13· · · · Q.· ·Any reason to believe that Mr. Stockil's
14· ·testimony was not truthful and accurate?
15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | Page 94 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Do you know what representative of HK USA | |\n| 19· ·contacted Mr. Stockil on behalf of HK USA? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I think there was a Max.· Whether there | |\n| 21· ·were also others, I don't know. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Max Krasner is who you're referring to? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·So Max Krasner was the person who | |\n| 25· ·contacted Mr. Stockil with regard to the Lady May? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 95 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·Are you asking about the testimony or | |\n| ·4· · · · generally? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Here what is written is representative. | |\n| ·6· ·So I think there were probably several people, but I | |\n| ·7· ·don't quite remember exactly who. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Can you recall anyone other than | |\n| 10· ·Mr. Krasner who was authorized to speak to | |\n| 11· ·Mr. Stockil with regard to the Lady May? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·If you turn to page 78, you see on line 20 | |\n| 14· ·Mr. Stockil is asked: | |\n| 15· · · · · · · · · \"You've never met or spoken with | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·her,\" meaning Mei Guo, \"either, correct?\" | |\n| 17· · · · · · · · · \"That is correct, yes.\" | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·Is Mr. Stockil's testimony accurate that | |\n| 19· ·you have never met or spoken with him? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· As of that date or up through | |\n| 21· · · · present? | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Why don't we start with just as of that | |\n| 24· ·date. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 96 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 96 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever spoken with Mr. Stockil? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Could you look at the bottom of that page. | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·Starting at line 25, it says: | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · · · · \"All directions on the Lady May's | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·movements comes from Ms. Guo through her | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·representatives.· That means, doesn't it, | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·that none of the direction on the | |\n| | 10· · · · · · ·Lady May's movements come from Ms. Guo | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·directly?\" | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· No, not to us, no.· They | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·come through the family office, that's | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·correct.\" | | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·And then he identifies it as | |\n| 16· ·Golden Spring. | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·Do you agree that it's truthful testimony | |\n| | 18· ·that none of the direction regarding the Lady May's | |\n| | 19· ·movements came to Mr. Stockil and his company from | |\n| 20· ·you directly? | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I agree. | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on page -- | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· You were asking whether that's | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 97 of 210\n\nPage 97 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · truthful testimony, but the interpreter asked ·3· · · · whether she agrees, whether Ms. Guo agrees with ·4· · · · that. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· That's fine.· I don't draw a ·6· · · · distinction. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Do you see on line 16 on page 79: ·9· · · · · · ·\"MR. VARTAN:· Your Honor, we would call 10· ·next Momchil Ivanov.\" 11· · · · · · ·Do you know who Mr. Ivanov is? 12· · · · A.· ·The captain at that time. 13· · · · Q.· ·If you turn to page 81, look at line 17. 14· ·Question to Mr. Ivanov was: 15· · · · · · · · · \"I just want to find out whether you 16· · · · · · ·have ever met or spoken with Ms. Mei Guo.\" 17· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· Not directly sir, no.\" 18· · · · · · ·Any reason to believe Mr. Ivanov's 19· ·testimony is not truthful and accurate? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 21· · · · A.· ·I'm not quite sure.· Maybe there's the 22· ·issue with the language used.· Because here it's 23· ·saying we've not spoken, but as far as I remember, 24· ·we sent messages to each other. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 98 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Ivanov says he's never met you. ·4· · · · · · ·Was that true at the time he gave that ·5· ·testimony? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Yes, you had never met Mr. Ivanov as of ·8· ·the time of the testimony; is that correct? ·9· · · · A.· ·That's correct.· We never met. 10· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever met Mr. Ivanov to date? 11· · · · A.· ·No. 12· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Ivanov stop being the captain 13· ·of the Lady May? 14· · · · A.· ·I think it was probably during the 15· ·pandemic.· During that time he was the captain in 16· ·Europe only.· So I never met him. 17· · · · Q.· ·You don't recall what date the captain of 18· ·the Lady May left his post? 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 20· · · · Q.· ·And then you would agree with Mr. Ivanov 21· ·that he never received orders or directions from you 22· ·directly? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Mr. Luft, where are you 24· · · · reading from? 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It's line 22 through 24.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 99 of 210\n\nPage 99 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. ·3· · · · A.· ·I agree. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever met -- do you know who ·6· ·Craig Heaslop is? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Heaslop, H-E-A-S-L-O-P. ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes.· He is the captain that worked for ·9· ·the longest time on my yacht. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan called him as a witness at 12· ·the hearing as well, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I'm not sure about the 14· ·details. 15· · · · Q.· ·Turn to page 83. 16· · · · · · ·Do you see there's a line that says: 17· · · · · · · · · \"MR. VARTAN:· Your Honor, the 18· · · · · · ·defendant would call Craig Heaslop to the 19· · · · · · ·stand\"? 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · Q.· ·And the defendant in this that Mr. Vartan 22· ·is referring to is your father, correct? 23· · · · A.· ·Wait a moment.· In which line? 24· · · · Q.· ·It's lines 1 through 2, and you're welcome 25· ·to read through to 6.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 100 | |\n|----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay. | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·Could you please repeat the question? | | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Sure. | | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·When Mr. Vartan said, \"Your Honor, the | | |\n| | ·6· ·defendant would call Craig Heaslop to the stand,\" | | |\n| | ·7· ·the defendant he is referring to is your father, | | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·I'm a little bit confused.· I'm not sure. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Was HK International a defendant in this | | |\n| 11· ·litigation? | | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·This is from last year, correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Yes.· This is from February 2, 2022, the | | |\n| | 14· ·PAX litigation against your father, Genever Holdings | | |\n| | 15· ·Corp., and Genever Holdings LLC. | | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·So you are asking me whether we are the | | |\n| | 17· ·defendants, right?· I mean my -- when I refer to | | |\n| 18· ·\"we,\" it's HKI. | | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·My question was Mr. Vartan said the | | |\n| | 20· ·defendant would call Craig Heaslop, and I just | | |\n| | 21· ·wanted to confirm it's your understanding that the | | |\n| | 22· ·defendant he's referring to is your father, | | |\n| 23· ·Mr. Kwok? | | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about the legal language. | | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Sure. | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 101 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 101 |\n|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·Was Mr. Vartan your father's counsel for | |\n| ·3· ·this trial? | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·He represented you and Hong Kong | |\n| | ·6· ·International, correct? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·Correct. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know Mr. Heaslop? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you know him to be honest? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·As far as I know, yes. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·I want to point you to testimony, if you'd | |\n| | 15· ·turn to page 87. | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·(Witness complies.) | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Starting on line 21. | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·And Mr. Heaslop was the captain of the | |\n| | 19· ·ship, correct? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on line 21, the witness says, | |\n| | 22· ·with regard to Mr. Kwok: | |\n| | 23· · · · · · · · · \"He was on and off the yacht | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·throughout the summer as usual.· Specific | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·dates I couldn't tell you.\" | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 102 of 210\n\nPage 102 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Actually, let me strike that.· Let's go to ·3· ·line 17 so we have context. ·4· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Prior to October 2020, ·5· · · · · · ·when was the last time you recall Mr. Kwok ·6· · · · · · ·being on the yacht?\" ·7· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Prior to ·8· · · · · · ·October 2020?\" ·9· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Yes.\" 10· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· He was on and off the 11· · · · · · ·yacht throughout the summer as usual. 12· · · · · · ·Specific dates, I couldn't tell you 13· · · · · · ·retrospectively when they came and went.\" 14· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Was he on the yacht for 15· · · · · · ·a significant part of the month of July?\" 16· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· That was COVID.· Yes, 17· · · · · · ·he was.\" 18· · · · · · ·Do you have any reason to believe that 19· · · · Mr. Heaslop's testimony with regard to your -- 20· · · · how frequently your father was on the Lady May 21· · · · in the month of July 2020 is in any way 22· · · · inaccurate? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 24· · · · A.· ·It's accurate. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 103 of 210\n\n| Page 103
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·The Court goes on: |\n| ·4· · · · · · · · · \"How about during the month of |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·August 2020?\" |\n| ·6· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Yes.\" |\n| ·7· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· How about during the |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·month of September 2020?\" |\n| ·9· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· I believe so, yes.\" |\n| 10· · · · · · ·Again, asking whether your father was on |\n| 11· ·the Lady May for a significant portion of that |\n| 12· ·month. |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Do you have any reason to believe that |\n| 14· ·Mr. Heaslop's testimony with regard to the months of |\n| 15· ·August and September is inaccurate? |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·It's accurate. |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·If we go to line 13, the Court asks |\n| 20· ·Ms. Heaslop: |\n| 21· · · · · · · · · \"As between Mr. Kwok and Ms. Guo, how |\n| 22· · · · · · ·would you compare the duration of the time |\n| 23· · · · · · ·each of them spent on the yacht during |\n| 24· · · · · · ·July, August, September 2020?\" |\n| 25· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· During those months |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 104 of 210\n\nPage 104 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok spent more time on the yacht than ·3· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo.\" ·4· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· A lot or little more ·5· · · · · · ·time?\" ·6· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· It was a lot more ·7· · · · · · ·time.\" ·8· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo, do you have any reason to believe ·9· ·that Mr. Heaslop's testimony that I just read to you 10· ·was not truthful and accurate? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·It's accurate. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Turn to page 89.· If you look at lines 10 15· ·through 14: 16· · · · · · · · · \"Question:· Paragraph 17 of your 17· · · · · · ·affidavit says that you had a subsequent 18· · · · · · ·conversation with a representative of 19· · · · · · ·Hong Kong USA and confirmed that the yacht 20· · · · · · ·was no longer needed in New York.· That 21· · · · · · ·person wasn't Mei Guo, was it?\" 22· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· No.\" 23· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo, is that accurate testimony that, 24· · · · in fact, you were not the person who told 25· · · · Captain Heaslop that the yacht was no longer\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 105 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 105 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · needed in New York? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·It's true. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If you turn to page 93, | |\n| ·7· ·Captain Heaslop was asked questions with regard to | |\n| ·8· ·when your father was aboard the Lady May. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·You can also look at line 2.· It says: | |\n| 10· · · · · · · · · \"My question for you is:· When he was | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·aboard, he directed the movements of the | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·yacht, right?· I don't mean he piloted it, | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·but he told you where he wanted to go?\" | |\n| 14· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· Yeah.\" | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Do you see that testimony? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any reason to believe that | |\n| 18· ·testimony is not truthful and accurate? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·No.· It's true. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I'm going to ask you to turn to | |\n| 23· ·page 95. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·If we look at page -- line 12, the Court | |\n| 25· ·asks: | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 106 ·1· · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · \"You did testify, sir\" -- this is, ·3· ·again, Captain Heaslop -- \"during July, ·4· ·August, September of 2020, Mr. Kwok was a ·5· ·frequent guest on the yacht, and ·6· ·presumably he told you where he wanted to ·7· ·go?\" ·8· · · · \"THE WITNESS:· That's right, ·9· ·Your Honor.· There's like local movements 10· ·in the northern area or the southern area 11· ·where the guests are using the boat. 12· ·There's direction about where they want to 13· ·go and what they want to do on any given 14· ·day. 15· · · · \"What I meant -- what I was talking 16· ·about, about not having direction, was for 17· ·the repositioning of the yacht seasonally 18· ·between the northeast and southeast.· That 19· ·came from the office.\" 20· · · · \"THE COURT:· I see.· So if Mr. Kwok 21· ·wanted to go to Nantucket, you would take 22· ·him there?\" 23· · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Absolutely, yeah.\" 24· · · · \"THE COURT:· If he wanted to go to 25· ·Bar Harbor, Maine, you would take him to\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 107 of 210\n\nPage 107 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Bar Harbor, Maine?\" ·3· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Yes.\" ·4· · · · · · ·Do you have any reason to believe that ·5· ·that testimony that Captain Heaslop gave in response ·6· ·to the Court's questions is in any way not truthful ·7· ·or inaccurate? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Do you want to ·9· · · · ask her to read through line 6 of page 96? I 10· · · · just wanted to note that for my own note. 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You have a transcript.· You can 12· · · · read. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead and answer, Ms. Guo. 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Just asking a simple 16· · · · question. 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we take a break for 19· · · · lunch. 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure. 21· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 2:04 p.m.· We're 22· · · · going off the record. 23· · · · · · ·(At 2:04 p.m. a luncheon recess was 24· · · · taken.) 25· · · · · · ·(At 2:58 p.m. the deposition resumes.)\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 108 of\n\n210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 108 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·************************************************ | |\n| ·3· · · · · · A F T E R N O O N· ·S E S S I O N | |\n| ·4· ·************************************************ | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· The time is 2:58 p.m. | |\n| ·6· · · · We are back on the record. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I asked you a question earlier | |\n| ·9· ·about Hong Kong International and whether it filed | |\n| 10· ·taxes. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·I neglected to ask you:· Do you pay income | |\n| 12· ·taxes in this country? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you declare any income last year? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·What was the source of that income? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Pangu CEO. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·You told me that Pangu Plaza was seized a | |\n| 25· ·year ago. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 109 of 210\n\n| Page 109 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·Do you continue to be paid as the Pangu | |\n| ·3· ·CEO after its seizure? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Do you have a copy of your tax returns | |\n| ·6· ·that you filed in this country? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't have them now. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Who does? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·At home.· It's in my home. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·You have copies in your home? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Since you acquired Hong Kong | |\n| 13· ·International in 2017, have you earned any income or | |\n| 14· ·revenue from it? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· We have not received copies of | |\n| 17· · · · Ms. Guo's taxes.· We have requested them.
I | |\n| 18· · · · will renew my request that you turn them over | |\n| 19· · · · to us. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure.· You can submit it in | |\n| 21· · · · writing.· We'll take it under advisement. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I have already submitted it in | |\n| 23· · · · writing.· You have open requests for it.· I'll | |\n| 24· · · · ask you to please turn them over. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Well, I don't know if there | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 110 of\n\n210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 110 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · were objections made.· I presume that there | |\n| | ·3· · · · were.· But I'll certainly take a look. | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So I have a question.· What | |\n| | ·5· · · · does my personal income tax have to do with | |\n| ·6· · · · this case? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You don't have to -- that's | |\n| | ·8· · · · my objection.· We'll make sure we lodge it. | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, your father founded Hong Kong | |\n| | 12· ·International in 2006, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·And your father owned and controlled | |\n| | 15· ·Hong Kong International until October 2014, correct? | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·And your father transferred Hong Kong | |\n| | 18· ·International to Ms. Qu in October 2014, correct? | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·You gave testimony stating -- strike that. | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·At the time you came to this country in | |\n| | 22· ·2017, Ms. Qu was the sole member of Hong Kong | |\n| | 23· ·International, correct? | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you know if, at any time after your | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 111 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 111 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· ·father transferred Hong Kong International to Ms. Qu | |\n| | ·3· ·in October 2014 and the time you came to the | |\n| | ·4· ·United States, anyone other than Ms. Qu was a member | |\n| | ·5· ·of Hong Kong International? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware if Ms. Qu entered into any | |\n| | ·8· ·agreements with anyone regarding control of | |\n| | ·9· ·Hong Kong International between October 2014 and the | |\n| | 10· ·time she transferred you the company in 2017? | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·How did you meet -- when did you first | |\n| 13· ·meet Ms. Qu? | | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection of when you | |\n| | 16· ·first recall knowing Ms. Qu? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·When I was in China. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Can you be any more specific? | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·Were you a young girl at the time, | |\n| 20· ·teenager, adult? | | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I was an adult. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·And how did you come to know Ms. Qu? | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·She works with my brother. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·When did she work with your brother? | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 112 of 210\n\n| | Page 112 |\n|---------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| ·5· ·brother? | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 11· ·in? | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 25· ·2014? | |\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo
·2· · · · Q.· ·Where did she work with your brother?
·3· · · · A.· ·I don't know.
·4· · · · Q.· ·In what country did she work with your
·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know that, about that either.
·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever see your brother and Ms. Qu
·8· ·at work together?
·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.
10· · · · Q.· ·What business was Ms. Qu and your brother
12· · · · A.· ·I don't know.
13· · · · Q.· ·Did your brother introduce you to Ms. Qu?
14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.
15· · · · Q.· ·Where did you meet Ms. Qu?
16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and
17· · · · answered.
18· · · · A.· ·In China.
19· ·BY MR. LUFT:
20· · · · Q.· ·Where in China?
21· · · · A.· ·Beijing.
22· · · · Q.· ·Where in Beijing?
23· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.
24· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you met Ms. Qu prior to |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 113 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Before 2014, I don't remember. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that Ms. Qu was your | |\n| | ·4· ·father's executive assistant? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that Ms. Qu was your | |\n| | ·7· ·father's account manager? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·No.· I don't know.· No, I don't know. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·You state in your affidavit that: | |\n| | 10· · · · · · · · · \"I understand that Ms. Qu was a | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·trusted business partner of my brother's | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·as well as my uncles and cousins.\" | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·What is that understanding based on? | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Which paragraph are you | |\n| | 15· · · · reading? | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Paragraph 8. | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· Ms. Interpreter, I don't think | |\n| | 19· · · · you finished translating the entire question. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I thought I finished. | |\n| | 21· · · · Which part did I miss? | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· \"I'll be honest, what's the | |\n| | 23· · · · basis of that understanding.\" | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·My brother told me. | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 114 of 210\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 114 | |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·What did he tell you? | | |\n| | | ·4· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | | ·5· · · · Q.· ·When did he tell you this? | | |\n| | | ·6· · · · A.· ·So I think it was before Ms. Qu came to | | |\n| | ·7· ·the US. | | | |\n| | | ·8· · · · Q.· ·When was that? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·2017. | | | |\n| | | 10· · · · Q.· ·Why did your brother say this to you? | | |\n| | | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 14· · · · Q.· ·So you have no personal knowledge of | | |\n| | | 15· ·whether Ms. Qu is a trusted business partner of your | | |\n| | 16· ·brother's, as well as your uncles and cousins, only | | | |\n| | | 17· ·what your brother told you, correct? | | |\n| | | 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | | 19· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | | |\n| | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 21· · · · Q.· ·Who drafted your declaration for you that | | |\n| | | 22· ·has been marked Exhibit 1? | | |\n| | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | | 24· · · · A.· ·That's this one, right? | | |\n| 25 | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 115 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 115 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Yes, ma'am. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·My counsel. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Which counsel? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Lee. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· When you say \"my uncles and my | |\n| ·8· ·cousins,\" which uncles and cousins are you referring | |\n| ·9· ·to? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·This is in paragraph 8 of your affidavit | |\n| 11· ·declaration. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·So that would be referring to whom I | |\n| 13· ·mentioned previously, the fourth, fifth, and sixth | |\n| 14· ·older brothers of my dad. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Do you know any business dealings that | |\n| 16· ·Ms. Qu entered into with those uncles? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Counsel, did you say | |\n| 19· · · · Ms. Guo or Mr. Guo or who? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Ms. Qu. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Oh.· Correction of the | |\n| 22· · · · interpreter's interpretation just now. | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you know -- strike that. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 116 of\n\n210\n\n| Page 116
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·+ And do you know which cousins Ms. Qu was |\n| ·3· ·purported to be a trusted business partner of? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·So that would be the same answer as I gave |\n| ·5· ·this morning.· I don't want to reveal their names |\n| ·6· ·here. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask that you -- again, I |\n| ·8· · · · want to hold open if you're going to -- are you |\n| ·9· · · · going to instruct her not to answer? |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Yes. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Hold that open. |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you know of any business deals that |\n| 14· ·Ms. Qu did with any of your cousins? |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I don't know. |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·How old is Ms. Qu, approximately? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Over 30. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·A lot over 30 or a little over 30? |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·I think close to 40.· A lot over 30.· She |\n| 20· ·should be older than me. |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· In 2014 -- well, do you recall what |\n| 22· ·year your brother graduated college? |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·You agree that in 2016, your brother was |\n| 25· ·approximately 26 years old? |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 117 of\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 117 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't think so. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·How old do you think he was in 2016? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·I think he was 30. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·When was your brother born? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·My God.· '86 or '87.· I'm not quite sure. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· The Lady May was purchased by | |\n| ·8· ·Hong Kong International, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·And that was in -- | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Purchased? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·Counsel, you said \"purchased,\" right? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·That was in February 2015, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·And at that time Hong Kong International | |\n| 19· ·had been transferred to Ms. Qu by your father, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·2015, right. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·In February of 2015, when they purchased | |\n| 23· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·And Hong Kong International was | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 118 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·transferred. ·3· · · · · · ·Ms. Qu, are you aware, paid no money to ·4· ·your father for Hong Kong International? ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you know how much it cost to purchase ·7· ·the Lady May? ·8· · · · A.· ·Over 20 million euros. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And the money to pay for Hong Kong 10· ·International's purchase of Lady May did not come 11· ·from Ms. Qu, correct? 12· · · · A.· ·Correct. 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you know where the funds Hong Kong 14· ·International used to purchase the Lady May came 15· ·from? 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 17· · · · Q.· ·You state in paragraph 9 of your 18· ·affidavit, which is Exhibit 1: 19· · · · · · · · · \"From the time of its purchase, the 20· · · · · · ·Lady May was always intended to be my boat 21· · · · · · ·given my love of the ocean.· Indeed, it 22· · · · · · ·bears my name.\" 23· · · · · · ·Do you see where you put that in your 24· ·affidavit? 25· · · · A.· ·Yes.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 119
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Now, when the Lady May was purchased by |\n| ·3· ·Hong Kong International, Hong Kong International was |\n| ·4· ·in the name of Ms. Qu, not any of your family |\n| ·5· ·members, correct? |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did Ms. Qu ever tell you why she had |\n| ·8· ·Hong Kong International purchase the Lady May in |\n| ·9· ·February 2015? |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·So when you say \"The Lady May was always |\n| 12· ·intended to be my boat,\" you don't have any personal |\n| 13· ·knowledge as to what Hong Kong International's |\n| 14· ·intention was when it purchased the Lady May, |\n| 15· ·correct? |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I knew the intention for the purchase of |\n| 18· ·Lady May. |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·If Ms. Qu never told you why Hong Kong |\n| 21· ·International purchased the Lady May, who at |\n| 22· ·Hong Kong International told you why it purchased |\n| 23· ·the Lady May? |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·My brother told me. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Your brother has no role at Hong Kong |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 120 of 210\n\n| Page 120
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·International, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Correct. |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·And your brother wasn't the person who |\n| ·5· ·purchased the Lady May, correct? |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·That's not correct.· He was the person who |\n| ·7· ·purchased it. |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Are you saying that Hong Kong |\n| ·9· ·International didn't purchase the Lady May, but |\n| 10· ·rather your brother did? |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates |\n| 12· · · · testimony. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Who and how -- who bought Lady May and |\n| 14· ·how, I didn't know the specifics.· All I knew is |\n| 15· ·that my brother bought the yacht as a present for |\n| 16· ·me. |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·But your brother wasn't the person who |\n| 19· ·purchased the Lady May, was he? |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates the |\n| 21· · · · testimony. |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I don't understand your question. |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·You've testified that Hong Kong |\n| 25· ·International purchased the Lady May in |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 121 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·February 2015, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·My understanding is that this company owns ·4· ·the boat. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Hong Kong International owned the boat in ·6· ·February 2015, correct? ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·8· · · · Q.· ·In fact, your brother was not involved in ·9· ·any transfers of the Lady May before the Lady May 10· ·was transferred to you in June of 2017, correct? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Well, if you open up the transcript from 15· ·the hearing to page 47, which is Exhibit 2. 16· · · · A.· ·Forty-seven?· Page 47, right? 17· · · · Q.· ·Page 47.· We'll start on page 46, line 22. 18· ·You state: 19· · · · · · · · · \"Your Honor, it is from Hong Kong 20· · · · · · ·International to Ms. Qu, then it was 21· · · · · · ·transferred to me.· It has never been 22· · · · · · ·transferred to my brother.\" 23· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· So you received the boat 24· · · · · · ·from Ms. Qu after she received the boat 25· · · · · · ·from Hong Kong International, correct?\"\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 122 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Yes, Your Honor.\" | |\n| ·3· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Your brother was not | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·involved in any of the transfers before | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·you acquired the boat, according to your | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·testimony?\" | |\n| ·7· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Correct.\" | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Was that truthful and accurate testimony | |\n| ·9· ·that you gave to the Court? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· And I'm just going to | |\n| 11· · · · interpose an objection, just an objection. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·That was truthful and accurate testimony | |\n| 15· ·that you gave, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Again, objection.· I think | |\n| 17· · · · there's confusion between transferring and | |\n| 18· · · · purchase, but -- | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sir, I'm reading the transcript | |\n| 20· · · · and saying is it truthful and accurate.· Please | |\n| 21· · · · don't introduce new words.· We are really | |\n| 22· · · · getting -- this is becoming a huge problem | |\n| 23· · · · here. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I've been mostly quiet. | |\n| | |\n\n25· · · · You're talking about purchase and transfer.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 123 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · You're talking about -- ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I read a piece of ·4· · · · testimony and I asked if it was truthful and ·5· · · · accurate.· She read the same thing. ·6· · · · · · ·I didn't say the word \"purchased.\"· I read ·7· · · · it directly here.· It says \"transfer.\"· It's a ·8· · · · question that a Court asked her and she gave an ·9· · · · answer to. 10· · · · · · ·Please stop trying to interfere with this 11· · · · testimony. 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I am not. 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You are, and it's completely 14· · · · improper. 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You're saying the lead-in 16· · · · questions to this were all about purchasing. 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Oh, my gosh.· Mr. Vartan -- 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember what is the question. 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yeah, I had a feeling that's 20· · · · where we were going to end up. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Okay, Ms. Guo.· Going back to the 23· ·testimony you gave in response to the Court's 24· ·question that I highlighted for you between -- on 25· ·page 46, line 16, through page 47, line 7, that was\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 124 of\n\n| | 210 |\n|--|-----|\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 124 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·truthful and accurate testimony, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·In February 2015, where were you located, | |\n| ·5· ·Ms. Guo? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Beijing, China. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·What were you doing there? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·I was persecuted by the Chinese Communist | |\n| ·9· ·Party. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Where was your brother located at the | |\n| 11· ·time? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·He was in the UK, wasn't he? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Was he in China? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Was he in Hong Kong? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Why didn't the brother have the boat | |\n| 20· ·transferred to himself if he was the purchaser in | |\n| 21· ·February 2015? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Because the boat was purchased for me. | |\n| 23· ·Because under the general circumstances at that | |\n| 24· ·time, myself and all of my family members were | |\n| 25· ·persecuted by the Chinese Communist Party. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 125 of\n\n210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 125 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·Everything we had was frozen.· So it's impossible | |\n| ·3· ·that it would be placed under his name. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·But he wasn't in China, was he? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·That's right.· But the Chinese Communist | |\n| ·6· ·Party would not only set eyes on things we owned in | |\n| ·7· ·China. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Qu was in Hong Kong, wasn't she? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·When? | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·In February 2015. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·The Lady May has never been in your | |\n| 13· ·brother's name, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·And your brother has never held legal | |\n| 16· ·title to the Lady May? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·And there's no legal document indicating | |\n| 19· ·that your brother ever held any ownership interest | |\n| 20· ·in the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·And your brother never transferred the | |\n| 23· ·Lady May to you, did he? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·Correct. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Qu never told you why Hong Kong | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 126 of 210\n\n| Page 126
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·International purchased the Lady May, did she? |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·Never. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·When was the yacht which we refer to as |\n| ·7· ·the Lady May named? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·From the very beginning, when there was an |\n| ·9· ·intention to buy this boat, my brother was going to |\n| 10· ·name it Lady May. |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know who actually named the boat? |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I just mentioned it's my brother. |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·In fact, your father named it the |\n| 14· ·Lady May, didn't he? |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·No.· It's my brother. |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·How do you know that? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·He told me himself. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·When did he tell you that? |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·During the first phone call I received |\n| 20· ·after I was released by the Chinese Communist Party |\n| 21· ·in January 2015. |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·So he told you this before anyone ever |\n| 23· ·purchased the Lady May? |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·He told me that he would purchase -- |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 127 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 127 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· ·purchase a boat as a present for me and also give it | |\n| ·3· ·my name. | | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Where did he get the money to purchase you | |\n| | ·6· ·a boat in his twenties? | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Now, you state that the Lady May was | |\n| | 11· ·transferred to you on June 27, 2017, when you were | |\n| | 12· ·in the United States, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·Yes, it was June, but whether it was on | |\n| | 14· ·the 27th, I don't know. | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·How did that transfer occur?· Who reached | |\n| 16· ·out to whom? | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Who told you that you were going to be | |\n| | 19· ·transferred, from Hong Kong International, the | |\n| 20· ·Lady May? | | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Where did the transaction take place? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·New York. | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Where in New York? | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 128 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · Q.· ·Who was there? ·3· · · · A.· ·There was Ms. Qu.· I don't remember about ·4· ·other people. ·5· · · · Q.· ·You don't recall anyone else being there ·6· ·besides Ms. Qu? ·7· · · · A.· ·No, I don't recall, not that there is no ·8· ·others. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Were you advised by counsel on the 10· ·transaction? 11· · · · A.· ·I think probably, but I don't remember. 12· · · · Q.· ·Who was your lawyer? 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask the court 15· · · · reporter to mark Mei Guo Deposition Exhibit 3, 16· · · · a document Bates-stamped HKI-14 through 20. 17· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 3 was received and marked 18· · · · for identification, as of this date.) 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Do you have an additional 20· · · · copy?· No big deal if you don't. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you recognize this document? 23· · · · A.· ·I've seen it before. 24· · · · Q.· ·What is it? 25· · · · A.· ·What this is, isn't it written on it? I\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 129 of\n\n210\n\n| Page 129
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·think it's Lady May's Certificate of Registry. |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on HKI-18 it indicates that the |\n| ·4· ·transferee is Mei Guo? |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·And your address there is listed as |\n| ·7· ·Majestic View Manor, 20 South Bay Road, Hong Kong, |\n| ·8· ·correct? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Where is it? |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Right at the top, under \"Address.\" |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Earlier I asked you about that address. |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Does this refresh your recollection that, |\n| 14· ·in fact, you have resided at 20 South Bay Road, |\n| 15· ·Hong Kong? |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·I recall this address now, but I've never |\n| 17· ·resided there. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Why did you list it as your address on |\n| 19· ·these official documents relating to the sale of the |\n| 20· ·Lady May and Hong Kong International? |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Because this address is our home address |\n| 23· ·in Hong Kong. |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Meaning it's your father's address in |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 130 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·Hong Kong? ·3· · · · A.· ·No.· It's the home address of our entire ·4· ·family. ·5· · · · Q.· ·One hundred people live at this address? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. ·7· · · · A.· ·It's not likely that 100 people would go ·8· ·to Hong Kong at the same time.· But even if we did, ·9· ·there would be enough room. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Is it your sworn testimony that this is 12· ·not the address that your father lived in in 13· ·Hong Kong? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Asked and 15· · · · answered. 16· · · · A.· ·I didn't say that.· I don't know. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·All the stamps on this document have a 19· ·date of June 17 -- June 27, 2017. 20· · · · · · ·Do you see that, the circular stamps? 21· · · · A.· ·I see that. 22· · · · Q.· ·And there are stamps from Hong Kong, 23· ·correct? 24· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 25· · · · Q.· ·If you look at the circular stamps,\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 131 of\n\n| 210 | |\n|-----|--|\n| | |\n\n| Page 131
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·there's a stamp \"Duty, Hong Kong, 27.6.17.\" |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·Do you see that? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·You've seen this.· Do you think maybe this |\n| ·6· ·transaction was done in Hong Kong? |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·It's not possible.· I'm 100 percent sure |\n| ·9· ·that it's in the US. |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know why there are Hong Kong stamps |\n| 12· ·on these documents? |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·How much did you pay Ms. Qu for Hong Kong |\n| 17· ·International and its asset, the Lady May? |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·If you look at the document, it says |\n| 20· ·\"1 Hong Kong dollar.\" |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Does that refresh your recollection? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I remember. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you know when your father directed |\n| 24· ·Ms. Qu to transfer the Lady May to you? |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates the |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 132
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · testimony. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·My father didn't direct her. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Did Ms. Qu tell you that your father | |\n| ·6· ·didn't direct her to do this? | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·There's never been this conversation.· She | |\n| ·9· ·doesn't need to tell me.· That just didn't happen. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, let's be very clear here. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·Ms. Qu never told you that her father -- | |\n| 13· ·that your father did not make an arrangement with | |\n| 14· ·her to have the Lady May transferred to you, | |\n| 15· ·correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· There are a lot of negatives | |\n| 17· · · · in that question.· Maybe you want to restate. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Again, when I need your help, | |\n| 19· · · · I'll ask. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· The question is wholly | |\n| 21· · · · unclear.· I'm reading it. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, you must be an | |\n| 23· · · · amazing lawyer.· And I look forward to your | |\n| 24· · · · depositions.· Until that time, I'm going to ask | |\n| 25· · · · my questions, and then when you have your turn, | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 133 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · you'll ask yours. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You can answer the question | |\n| ·4· · · · if you understand. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand this question. | |\n| ·6· ·It's not only that she didn't tell me that my dad | |\n| ·7· ·didn't make the arrangement; neither did she tell me | |\n| ·8· ·that my mother didn't make the arrangement. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·I don't know why my dad is coming out of | |\n| 10· ·this conversation. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you're aware that the New York | |\n| 13· ·State Supreme Court found your dad to be the | |\n| 14· ·beneficial owner of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·You don't know that the State Supreme | |\n| 19· ·Court came down with a ruling that your father is | |\n| 20· ·the beneficial owner and has control of the | |\n| 21· ·Lady May? | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·That's your testimony? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I don't recall that I'm aware of that. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 134 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 134 |\n|-------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall that the testimony we've | |\n| | ·3· ·been looking at is from a hearing specifically to | |\n| | ·4· ·determine who has beneficial ownership and control | |\n| ·5· ·of the Lady May? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes, I remember. | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The witness was just | |\n| | ·9· · · · explaining to the interpreter that she was | |\n| | 10· · · · answering the question. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·And do you recall learning what the | |\n| | 13· ·outcome of that hearing was? | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the entity Hong Kong | |\n| 16· ·International USA? | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·Yes, I'm familiar with it. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·That's an entity that was formed on | |\n| | 19· ·April 17, 2020, correct? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·It's 2020, but I don't remember the exact | |\n| 21· ·time. | | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Do you want to look at your declaration, | |\n| | 23· ·paragraph 11, and tell me if it says April 17, 2020? | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·Which paragraph? | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·It's paragraph 11, helps you refresh your | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 135 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·recollection. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·So from June 27, 2017, when Ms. Qu | |\n| ·5· ·transferred you Hong Kong International and the | |\n| ·6· ·Lady May, until April 17, 2020, Lady May was legally | |\n| ·7· ·owned by Hong Kong International, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who formed Hong Kong International USA? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Myself. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·When did you do that? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I think it was early 2022.· I don't | |\n| 13· ·remember the exact time. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·If I told you Hong Kong International USA | |\n| 15· ·corporate documents indicate it was formed in 2018, | |\n| 16· ·would that refresh your recollection about when it | |\n| 17· ·was formed? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Can I see this document? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Do you disagree? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· She asked for her memory to | |\n| 21· · · · be refreshed. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· I have a point of | |\n| 23· · · · clarification.· I believe Ms. Guo said it was | |\n| 24· · · · from early 2020, but the interpreter said it | |\n| 25· · · · was early 2022. | |\n| | |\n\n| Page 136
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I think I did say 2020. |\n| ·4· · · · Thank you. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you were not the sole shareholder |\n| ·7· ·of Hong Kong USA when it was formed either, were |\n| ·8· ·you? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I was. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·In fact, you became the sole shareholder |\n| 11· ·of Hong Kong USA in April 2019; isn't that the |\n| 12· ·facts? |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm just objecting.· If |\n| 14· · · · there's a document you want to show her -- |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, stop interrupting |\n| 16· · · · my examination.· I didn't ask her about a |\n| 17· · · · document.· If I want to show her one, I will. |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· She asked you for a document. |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· That's not how it works. |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I'll have to see the |\n| 21· ·document. |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·In fact, Ms. Guo, sitting here today you |\n| 24· ·don't know anything about -- you don't recall |\n| 25· ·anything about the formation of Hong Kong USA, |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 137 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· ·correct? | | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Only misstates the testimony. | | |\n| ·4· · · · Objection. | | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you know when Hong Kong USA was formed? | | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Are you asking a different | | |\n| ·8· · · · question? | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, stop. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· There was a question pending. | | |\n| 11· · · · I'm just looking for a clean record. | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay, Mr. Vartan.· I'll | | |\n| 13· · · · withdraw my question. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, please tell me the date Hong Kong | | |\n| 16· ·USA was formed. | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Let me think about it.· I really can't | | |\n| 18· ·remember. | | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you remember if you were the | | |\n| 20· ·sole shareholder when Hong Kong USA was formed? | | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I was. | | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·And if the corporate documents indicate | | |\n| 23· ·otherwise, how would you explain that? | | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Your question now is regarding | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 138 of 210\n\nPage 138 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·shareholder, right? ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·You becoming the sole shareholder of ·5· ·Hong Kong USA, correct. ·6· · · · A.· ·So my understanding of that is 100 percent ·7· ·ownership of the company, correct. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Just only person who holds the shares? ·9· · · · A.· ·The person who holds the shares. 10· · · · Q.· ·Let's just move on. 11· · · · · · ·Okay.· April 17, 2020, you changed the 12· ·Lady May from literally being owned by Hong Kong 13· ·International to Hong Kong International USA. 14· · · · · · ·What prompted you to make that change? 15· · · · A.· ·I just thought that in the US, this 16· ·company would be easier to manage.· So I added 17· ·\"USA.\" 18· · · · Q.· ·In fact, you did so because you were 19· ·advised by counsel to do so, right? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 21· · · · Q.· ·You want to read your declaration, 22· ·paragraph 11?· \"I did so upon the advice of my 23· ·counsel.\" 24· · · · · · ·Do you see that? 25· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 139 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 139 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Who is that counsel? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·What prompted you to seek advice of | |\n| ·5· ·counsel with regard to this issue about the | |\n| ·6· ·registration and ownership of the Lady May? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I think that would just be a basic thing | |\n| ·8· ·you would do, doing business. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Why didn't you do it anytime in the | |\n| 10· ·three years prior to when you were in the | |\n| 11· ·United States and held the Lady May as its owner? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak to counsel directly yourself | |\n| 14· ·or did you speak to someone else who had spoken to | |\n| 15· ·counsel to get this advice? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if the counsel was from the | |\n| 18· ·law firm named Hodgson Russ? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever speak with Ms. Wang with | |\n| 21· ·regard to this transfer of ownership to Hong Kong | |\n| 22· ·International USA? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·By Ms. Wang, are you referring to Yvette? | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Yes. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 140 of 210\n\n| Page 140
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Today, other than the Lady May and the |\n| ·3· ·\\$37 million that you took as a loan from Himalaya, |\n| ·4· ·does Hong Kong International USA have any other |\n| ·5· ·assets? |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Hong Kong International USA has no bank |\n| 10· ·accounts, correct? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Correct. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·And before that, from the time you took |\n| 13· ·control of Hong Kong International in 2017 until the |\n| 14· ·Lady May was transferred to Hong Kong USA in 2020, |\n| 15· ·Hong Kong International had no bank accounts, |\n| 16· ·correct? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·That, I don't know. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Hong Kong International USA has no |\n| 19· ·directors, correct? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Mei Guo |\n| 22· · · · Exhibit 4 a June 7, 2021, letter from |\n| 23· · · · Lee Vartan to Edward Moss. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 4 was received and marked |\n| 25· · · · for identification, as of this date.) |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 141
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, on June 7, 2021, Mr. Vartan was | |\n| ·4· ·your counsel, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you see in the second paragraph | |\n| ·7· ·Mr. Vartan states on behalf of Hong Kong | |\n| ·8· ·International: | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · · · \"Hong Kong International has no | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·directors, officers, or employees; has no | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·dedicated email servers or email suffixes; | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·does not file tax returns; and has no bank | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·account and it is not otherwise | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·capitalized.\" | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Do you see that sentence? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Was Mr. Vartan truthful and accurate when | |\n| 18· ·he made that statement to Mr. Moss? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Since Mr. Vartan's June 7, 2021, letter, | |\n| 23· ·is it still true that Hong Kong International has no | |\n| 24· ·directors, officers, or employees, has no dedicated | |\n| 25· ·email server or email suffix, does not file tax | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 142 of 210\n\nPage 142 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·returns, and has no bank accounts and is not ·3· ·otherwise capitalized? ·4· · · · A.· ·You are referring to after this date; is ·5· ·that correct? ·6· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking after Mr. Vartan sent this ·7· ·letter on June 7, 2021, is that statement still true ·8· ·about Hong Kong International from as of June 8, ·9· ·2021, up through the present? 10· · · · A.· ·For all the other information, I confirmed 11· ·that is true.· But as to whether there's still no 12· ·directors or officers, that I am not sure. 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you know of any directors or officers 14· ·of Hong Kong International USA today? 15· · · · A.· ·So today, at this moment, probably none. 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you think sometime between June 7, 17· ·2021, and today there may have been a time when 18· ·Hong Kong International USA had directors and 19· ·officers? 20· · · · A.· ·I'm not quite certain.· That's why I 21· ·pointed this out.· I'm not sure. 22· · · · Q.· ·Throughout this whole time period, you 23· ·have remained the sole member of Hong Kong 24· ·International USA? 25· · · · A.· ·Yes, that's correct.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 143 of 210\n\nPage 143 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · Q.· ·Has Hong Kong International USA ever had ·3· ·any board meetings? ·4· · · · A.· ·No. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Have there ever been any resolutions ·6· ·passed with regard to Hong Kong International? ·7· · · · A.· ·No. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Are you familiar with the address ·9· ·162 East 64th Street? 10· · · · A.· ·Yeah, it sounds like I've heard about this 11· ·address. 12· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been there? 13· · · · A.· ·I really don't remember. 14· · · · Q.· ·What's the address of Hong Kong 15· ·International USA? 16· · · · A.· ·It's probably the address you just 17· ·mentioned. 18· · · · Q.· ·When you say it's probably that address, 19· ·is that because I just mentioned it or you recall 20· ·that's the address? 21· · · · A.· ·I recall now. 22· · · · Q.· ·Is there an office for Hong Kong 23· ·International USA at that address? 24· · · · A.· ·No. 25· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that your father has\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 144 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 144 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·numerous businesses that he has listed at that | |\n| ·3· ·address? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Who pays the expenses of Hong Kong USA? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·My brother. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·In fact, those expenses have been paid by | |\n| 10· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about the specifics.· All I | |\n| 12· ·know is that it's paid by my brother. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Well, if we look at your affidavit at | |\n| 14· ·paragraph 12. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Do you see that?· This is Exhibit 1. | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Paragraph 12? | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·You see when you're discussing the | |\n| 18· ·expenses of Lady May that they're all paid for by | |\n| 19· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·There's no mention of your brother in that | |\n| 22· ·paragraph paying the expenses, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·But the company is my brother's. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·So Golden Spring and Lamp Capital are your | |\n| 25· ·brother's companies? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 145 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 145 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes.· My brother's family office. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·What does your brother do to get the funds | |\n| ·4· ·to Golden Spring and Lamp Capital? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·In the complaint you filed in this action, | |\n| ·7· ·you make multiple references to Hong Kong USA's | |\n| ·8· ·representatives. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Who are you referring to when you say | |\n| 10· ·Hong Kong USA's representatives were the ones who | |\n| 11· ·directed Lady May's captain where to move? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The majority of the times, I was referring | |\n| 13· ·to Max. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·And Max is Max Krasner? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Anyone else who is HK USA's representative | |\n| 17· ·other than Max Krasner? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Yes.· But those others stayed for a very | |\n| 19· ·short period of time, so I don't remember their | |\n| 20· ·names. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·You also state in your complaint that you, | |\n| 22· ·directly and through your representatives, are | |\n| 23· ·solely responsible for directing Lady May's | |\n| 24· ·operations and movements. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Who are your representatives being | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 146 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 146 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·referenced in the complaint? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·So just like I just mentioned, for the | |\n| ·4· ·majority of the times it's Max. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Max Krasner? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Max Krasner. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you have Max Krasner's phone number? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Do you have his email address? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know his home address? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·When you want to get in touch with | |\n| 14· ·Max Krasner, where would you call? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I use software to call him. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Software to what?· What software? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I change them very often.· There's no | |\n| 18· ·software that I use all the time. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Are you referring to a messaging app? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I can also use it for messaging. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Could you please share with me what | |\n| 22· ·address or number you would use through the | |\n| 23· ·messaging app to contact Max Krasner? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·I never use any software that is bundled | |\n| 25· ·with my phone number.· So I don't have the number. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 147 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·For whatever messaging software you use, | |\n| ·3· ·there has to be some piece of contact information | |\n| ·4· ·from Max Krasner. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·What is that contact information that | |\n| ·6· ·whatever software you're using employs to contact | |\n| ·7· ·Max Krasner? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Are you referring to all of the | |\n| 10· ·information throughout this whole time? | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·I'll start with any of the information. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· For which particular | |\n| 14· · · · question? | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just -- you don't have to read | |\n| 16· · · · it for him. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I was asking you. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You have a live stream.· You | |\n| 19· · · · can read it. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·In the early days, I used WhatsApp, | |\n| 21· ·Telegram, et cetera. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·And then and now, I don't have any.· It's | |\n| 23· ·been a long time since I last contacted him. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Did you search for all of your | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 148 of\n\n210\n\n| Page 148
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·communications on WhatsApp and Telegram that you had |\n| ·3· ·with Max Krasner in connection with this litigation? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·No, I didn't.· I change my mobile phone |\n| ·5· ·every month.· I will never keep this information. |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Regardless of changing your phone, the app |\n| ·7· ·stays the same, right? |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Only what you know. |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·It's not the same. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, we've requested those |\n| 12· · · · communications.· You failed to produce them. |\n| 13· · · · I'd ask that you please produce them. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·I'm going to hold the deposition open |\n| 15· · · · pending receipt of the information so I can ask |\n| 16· · · · questions about it. |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I think she said she doesn't |\n| 18· · · · have them.· We'll look again. |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, you understand how |\n| 20· · · · that works, that it is not tied to a specific |\n| 21· · · · phone, don't you? |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No. |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You don't understand that? |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't understand the inner |\n| 25· · · · workings of WhatsApp, no. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 149 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I don't think you need to ·3· · · · understand the inner workings of WhatsApp. ·4· · · · · · ·You have a phone, correct? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Yes. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Do you know when you log in ·7· · · · that it's not dependent on that phone, that you ·8· · · · can just look what's on that app on any phone? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I had no idea. ^ 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay, Counsel.· You should 11· · · · speak to Mr. Romney, who is much more tech 12· · · · savvy, and he can help you with this. 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm not very tech savvy. 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· But I do know you know how to 15· · · · use a phone, Aaron. 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I do know how to use a phone, 17· · · · but I don't know anything about these apps. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you testified that Mr. Krasner no 20· ·longer is at Golden Spring. 21· · · · · · ·Has Mr. Krasner ever been an employee of 22· ·HK International? 23· · · · A.· ·No. 24· · · · Q.· ·When you needed to speak to someone at 25· ·Lamp Capital, who would you speak to?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 150 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I will contact my brother. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·So when you have just any questions about | |\n| ·4· ·HK International's expenses or anything that needs | |\n| ·5· ·to be done, you just call your brother directly? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Now that Max Krasner and Ms. Wang are no | |\n| ·8· ·longer with Golden Spring, when you had to ask any | |\n| ·9· ·questions on behalf of HK International, who were | |\n| 10· ·HK International's representatives? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Confusing | |\n| 12· · · · question. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Now there's no one.· When I have a | |\n| 14· ·question, I just call my brother. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·So if you wanted to move the Lady May or | |\n| 17· ·give permission for someone to go on -- strike the | |\n| 18· ·first part. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·If you wanted to give permission for a | |\n| 20· ·person to be a guest on the Lady May today, who | |\n| 21· ·would you call? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·At this moment, I don't have access to use | |\n| 23· ·my boat.· So I don't need to call anybody. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time there were any | |\n| 25· ·guests on the Lady May? | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 151 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 151 | |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·That's when the boat was still in Europe, | | |\n| | ·3· ·before it returned to the US.· My brother used it. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time your father was on | | |\n| ·5· ·the Lady May? | | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·So you mean getting onto the boat?
A | | |\n| | ·7· ·while ago, he went to take a look.· But for staying | | |\n| ·8· ·on the boat, I think that was one or two years ago, | | | |\n| ·9· ·before the pandemic. | | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time your father was | | |\n| | 11· ·physically on the Lady May? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·I think it was not long ago.· I don't | | |\n| | 13· ·remember the exact time. | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection? | | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·It was in winter, anyway. | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·This winter? | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·I think so. | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Were you with him? | | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·No. | | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Who did you call, or did you call anyone, | | |\n| | 21· ·to give him permission to go onto the boat? | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·He called me and asked me about it. | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Your father called you and asked if he | | |\n| | 24· ·could go on the boat? | | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·That's right.· He said he was -- just | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 152 of 210\n\n| Page 152
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·happened to pass by the boat in Connecticut.· He saw |\n| ·3· ·the boat and wanted to go onto it to take a look. |\n| ·4· ·And he asked me if that's okay. |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·I said \"Go ahead.\" |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Did you communicate that your father was |\n| ·7· ·coming onto the boat to anyone? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No.· It wasn't like he was going anywhere. |\n| ·9· ·He just wanted to get onto the boat to take a look. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Was there a crew on the boat at the time? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you call the crew and tell them that |\n| 13· ·he was coming onto the boat? |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Who in the crew would you have called?· Do |\n| 16· ·you have any of their phone numbers? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The captain.· I have the captain's number. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Is there any evidence on your phone that |\n| 19· ·you called the captain to tell him that your father |\n| 20· ·was coming on the boat? |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·My answer is that I don't remember if I |\n| 23· ·called anyone about my dad coming onto the boat. |\n| 24· ·And it's not the captain.· I have not yet contacted |\n| 25· ·the captain. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 153 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does anyone manage the operations | |\n| ·4· ·of Hong Kong International for you? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Does Lamp Capital handle the management | |\n| ·7· ·and the operations of Hong Kong International for | |\n| ·8· ·you? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Exhibit 5 | |\n| 12· · · · a document Bates-stamped PN000107 through 117. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 5 was received and marked | |\n| 14· · · · for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Five? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Five. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, this is a document titled | |\n| 19· ·\"Management and Operations Agreement.\"· It lists | |\n| 20· ·Hong Kong International Investment Funds USA as the | |\n| 21· ·company and Lamp Capital LLC as the service | |\n| 22· ·provider. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·Just one moment.· Which page is it on? | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·The first page, it's just at the top. | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 154 of\n\n210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 154 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Could you repeat his question just now? | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·I'm just -- we can move on.· I was just | |\n| ·4· ·noting what it says on the top. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Okay.· I see it. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on page ending in | |\n| ·7· ·Bates-stamp 113 there is a signature above | |\n| ·8· ·\"Name: Mei Guo, Title: Member\"? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Is that your signature? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·It looks like my signature. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·You see on the prior page is a signature | |\n| 13· ·of a man named Daniel Podhaskie? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·If you turn to the first page, it says: | |\n| 16· · · · · · · · · \"Service provider shall provide | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·management and operational support | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·services to the company.\" | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall entering into this agreement | |\n| 21· ·with Lamp Capital? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Can I ask which year this is from? | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·It looks as though, by my reading, it says | |\n| 24· ·it was signed on May 7, 2021.· That's on -- I'm | |\n| 25· ·looking at Bates stamp 111. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 155 of 210\n\nPage 155 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Does that refresh your recollection? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall entering into this ·5· ·transaction between Lamp Capital and Hong Kong ·6· ·International? ·7· · · · A.· ·I recall. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Prior to this agreement, was there a prior ·9· ·management agreement with Lamp Capital? 10· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 11· · · · Q.· ·Prior to this agreement was there a prior 12· ·management agreement with Golden Spring? 13· · · · A.· ·I don't recall either. 14· · · · Q.· ·Who negotiated this agreement on behalf of 15· ·Hong Kong International? 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall without -- sitting here 18· ·today, without rereading the document, do you recall 19· ·what any of the terms of this agreement are? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 21· · · · Q.· ·Is this agreement still in effect between 22· ·Lamp Capital and Hong Kong International with regard 23· ·to managing and operating Hong Kong International 24· ·and the Lady May? 25· · · · A.· ·Yes.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 156 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · Q.· ·At the hearing before Justice Ostrager you ·3· ·testified that the annual costs related to the ·4· ·Lady May were approximately 2 to \\$3 million. ·5· · · · · · ·Is that number still accurate? ·6· · · · A.· ·It is accurate, but I think perhaps this ·7· ·number was higher last year because we did a lot of ·8· ·maintenance. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Under this agreement, under point (d), it 10· ·says that Lamp Capital is responsible for 11· ·commencing, defending, control all legal actions, 12· ·arbitrations, investigations, and proceedings that 13· ·arise due to events occurring in connection with the 14· ·business of the company, which is Hong Kong 15· ·International, during the term of this agreement. 16· · · · · · ·Is Lamp Capital in control of this legal 17· ·action that you've brought? 18· · · · A.· ·Just one moment.· Where should I look at 19· ·(d)? 20· · · · Q.· ·Under 2(d).· Under Management Services, 21· ·(d). 22· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand what this 23· ·question means. 24· · · · Q.· ·I'll say it again. 25· · · · · · ·Under the terms of this agreement, it says\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 157 of\n\nPage 157 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·that Lamp Capital will control all legal actions ·3· ·relating to the business of Hong Kong International. ·4· · · · · · ·My question is:· Does Lamp Capital control ·5· ·this litigation that you have brought -- ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·-- on behalf of Hong Kong International? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 10· · · · A.· ·I'm sorry.· I'm not an attorney, so I 11· ·don't know how to answer your question.· I don't 12· ·quite understand. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Who pays the legal fees in connection with 15· ·this litigation? 16· · · · A.· ·So like what we're doing today? 17· · · · Q.· ·Like everything, about filing the 18· ·complaint, writing your pleadings, being here today, 19· ·everything in connection with this litigation that 20· ·you've brought.· Who pays the legal fees? 21· · · · A.· ·So I pay my counsel by myself.· And then 22· ·for some expenses, they are paid by my brother. 23· · · · Q.· ·Which are the expenses that are paid by 24· ·your brother? 25· · · · A.· ·I want to make the correction that what 210\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 158 of 210\n\n| Page 158
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·I'm saying is I pay Lee by myself.· But for other |\n| ·3· ·attorneys, like when the expenses are higher from |\n| ·4· ·other law firms, those would be paid by my brother. |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Who pays the Zeisler firm that Mr. Romney |\n| ·6· ·is at? |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I paid some and my brother paid some for |\n| ·8· ·me. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who pays Mr. Mitchell? |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you pay Mr. Mitchell for the legal |\n| 12· ·services he provides to you? |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·So you're asking if I would pay by myself? |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking you, yes.· You pay for |\n| 15· ·Mr. Mitchell on behalf of his representation of you |\n| 16· ·and Hong Kong International? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I don't recall when would be the last time |\n| 18· ·I paid him, but, of course, I've paid him. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·When you say your brother pays for your |\n| 20· ·legal fees, does he pay them directly from his own |\n| 21· ·bank account or does he pay through Lamp Capital? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I don't know.· I would just forward my |\n| 23· ·invoices to him.· And as to what he does with them, |\n| 24· ·I don't know. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'd ask for a break when you |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 159 of 210\n\n| Page 159
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · get to a stopping point.· We've been going for | |\n| ·3· · · · about an hour and a half. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall what compensation you paid | |\n| ·7· ·Lamp Capital in exchange for their management | |\n| ·8· ·services? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you ever use the Lady May -- is the | |\n| 11· ·Lady May ever rented out for charter services? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Never. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Would you ever consider such a thing? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Never. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Do you know why, under the terms of this | |\n| 16· ·agreement with Lamp Capital, you agreed to pay them | |\n| 17· ·the money from charter services for the Lady May? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Misstates the contract. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Where is it?· Can I take a look? | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Sure.· Under 7, \"Compensation\": | |\n| 22· · · · · · · · · \"Additionally, service provider\" -- | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·Lamp Capital -- \"shall be paid directly | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·for any and all charter services revenue | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·generated by Lady May and/or Lady May II.\" | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 160 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·My understanding of this is that it would ·3· ·have to be approved by me. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you're saying you would never ·5· ·approve it? ·6· · · · A.· ·Right.· I will never rent my boat out. ·7· · · · Q.· ·When this agreement was being entered into ·8· ·and that was the compensation being offered for the ·9· ·management services, was Lamp Capital informed that 10· ·they would never receive any revenue under this 11· ·provision? 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· That would be a 14· ·conversation between the attorneys.· I don't know. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·If you look under 3, \"Obligations of the 17· ·Company,\" (b), which is on the second page? 18· · · · A.· ·(Witness complies.) 19· · · · Q.· ·Second page. 20· · · · · · ·Do you see the first line of it says \"The 21· ·Company\" -- and that refers to Hong Kong 22· ·International, correct? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. 24· · · · Q.· ·-- \"will promptly provide all requested 25· ·documentation relating to its ownership.\"\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 161 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 161 | |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·Do you see that? | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·And the ownership of Hong Kong | | |\n| | ·5· ·International is you; is that correct? | | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·And then it says \"and ultimate beneficial | | |\n| ·8· ·owners.\" | | | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·Do you see that? | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Who are the ultimate -- if the company is | | |\n| | 12· ·Hong Kong International and the ownership is you, | | |\n| | 13· ·who is being referenced by \"ultimate beneficial | | |\n| 14· ·owners\"? | | | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· You can put this aside | | |\n| 18· · · · for a moment. | | | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·Counsel asked for a break, so why don't we | | |\n| 20· · · · do that. | | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure.· Thank you. | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 4:51 p.m.· We're | | |\n| | 23· · · · going off the record. | | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | | | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It's 5:17 p.m.· We are | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 162 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 162 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · back on the record. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I want to ask you a few questions | |\n| ·5· ·about the Lady May, if I may. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·When the Lady May has set sail for the | |\n| ·8· ·south in the winter, do you ever use it? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes, sometimes in Florida. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Does your father ever use it when it's in | |\n| 11· ·Florida? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·How often does he use it in Florida? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·When the Lady May went south in 2020, did | |\n| 16· ·you use the boat when it was in Florida? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Let me think about it.· I don't remember. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Prior to going south in 2020, was the | |\n| 19· ·Lady May kept in Florida during the winter? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I just want to double-check. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·So it's about where the boat was in the | |\n| 23· ·winter of 2020, right? | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Before -- the winter of 2020 I'll ask | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 163 of\n\n210\n\n| Page 163
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·about in a minute.· Prior to that, in prior winters. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·What about in prior winters? |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Was it kept in Florida during the winter? |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Can I just clarify?· Are we |\n| ·6· · · · talking about winter '20 into '21, or '19 into |\n| ·7· · · · '20? |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· Like I said, prior to |\n| ·9· · · · 2020. |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You said winter 2020. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Prior to that time. |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm not trying to be |\n| 13· · · · confusing. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I know you're not.· You're just |\n| 15· · · · being interrupting. |\n| 16· · · · · · ·It's prior to the winter of 2020.· Which |\n| 17· · · · winter would that be? |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Asking '19 to '20 or '20 to |\n| 19· · · · '21? |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Oh, my God. |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you understand that -- why don't |\n| 23· ·we just make this simple so there's no issue. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·In late fall 2020, for the winter, for the |\n| 25· ·upcoming winter, the Lady May sailed south, correct? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 164 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· In the winters prior to that | |\n| ·4· ·winter, where was the Lady May kept? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know about during the winters | |\n| ·6· ·before 2017.· But for 2017, '18, and '19, it would | |\n| ·7· ·be in Florida during the fall.· And when it's | |\n| ·8· ·colder, it would go to the Bahamas. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· In the fall of 2020, someone from | |\n| 10· ·Golden Spring contacted you to let you know that it | |\n| 11· ·was time to move the boat south, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Who was that person at Golden Spring? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·And after that call, Golden Spring | |\n| 16· ·contacted the captain and told him to move the boat | |\n| 17· ·south, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·And then it was in the captain's | |\n| 20· ·discretion what day to actually set sail, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·Yes, so depending on the weather. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·So when you state that you are solely | |\n| 23· ·responsible for directing the Lady May's movements, | |\n| 24· ·I want to be clear. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·During the summer, when the boat is in the | |\n| | |\n\n| Page 165
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·northeast and your father is on board and you are |\n| ·3· ·not, he gets to dictate where the boat goes, |\n| ·4· ·correct? |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·So specifically do you mean that when my |\n| ·6· ·dad is on board, can he control the boat? |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·I mean when your dad is on board and you |\n| ·8· ·are not, he gets to decide where the boat goes, |\n| ·9· ·correct, in the northeast? |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The northeast refers to New York, right? |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·New York, Nantucket, Bar Harbor, the same |\n| 12· ·places we talked about this morning when the Court |\n| 13· ·asked Captain Heaslop those questions. |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Generally he would tell me about it first. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·And in the south, when you're not on the |\n| 16· ·boat, which is -- that's the majority of the time in |\n| 17· ·the winter, correct? |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·\"The south\" refers to Florida? |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Florida, the Bahamas. |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·When it's in Florida, I am there most of |\n| 23· ·the time.· When it's in the Bahamas, I'm not there |\n| 24· ·because I can't leave the country. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So when the Lady May is docked in |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 166 of 210\n\n| Page 166
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·Florida, that's where you're residing most of the | |\n| ·3· ·time? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you mentioned that on May 28, | |\n| ·6· ·2021, you had a number of NDAs executed, correct, | |\n| ·7· ·with the crew, the current crew of the boat? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· You may just want | |\n| ·9· · · · to explain what an NDA is. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·You can answer, Ms. Guo. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I have an NDA with every single one of my | |\n| 13· ·crew. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Have you produced all of those documents? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any NDAs with any crew member | |\n| 17· ·prior to May 28, 2021? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I think so. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·I'll represent to you that your counsel | |\n| 20· ·has not produced any such documents. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Do you know if any such NDAs exist and, if | |\n| 22· ·so, where? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·You could ask my management company. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Who is that? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yachtzoo. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 167 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 167 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·Oh, sorry.· It's not just this one | |\n| ·3· ·management company.· There are many. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·What are the other management companies | |\n| ·5· ·for the yacht? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·There's been Moran, M-O-R-A-N, Yachtzoo, | |\n| ·7· ·and Bergers.· And in between, we switched back to | |\n| ·8· ·Yachtzoo.· I think there are three of them. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And Hong Kong International doesn't keep | |\n| 10· ·copies of any of those agreements other than the | |\n| 11· ·ones from May 28, 2021? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Do you have a copy of the NDA the current | |\n| 16· ·captain signed, an NDA agreement? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I think I do. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, again, no such | |\n| 19· · · · document has been produced to us.· We'd ask | |\n| 20· · · · that it be produced if it exists. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·How about Mr. -- Captain Ivanov?· We've | |\n| 23· ·received no copy of any NDA agreement with him. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·Did you ever sign an agreement with him? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I just wanted to double-check.· The first | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 168 of\n\n210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 168 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·name of this captain is Lloyd; is that correct? | |\n| ·3· ·Because I never remember their family names. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Not based on what he testified to at | |\n| ·5· ·court. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Is it Momchil? | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Momchil Ivanov. | |\n| | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·You also produced a staffing agreement | |\n| 10· ·with Phoenix Crew Ltd. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·Do you recall that? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Other than the May 28, 2021, NDAs with | |\n| 14· ·that current crew and the September 1, 2021, | |\n| 15· ·staffing agreement with Phoenix Crew Ltd., and the | |\n| 16· ·agreement between Hong Kong International and | |\n| 17· ·Lamp Capital, we received no other documents bearing | |\n| 18· ·your signature on behalf of Hong Kong International. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·Are you aware if any other such document | |\n| 20· ·exists? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·And to be clear, other than the NDAs with | |\n| 25· ·the crew as of May 28, 2021, the Phoenix Crew Ltd. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 169 of\n\n210\n\n| Page 169
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|---------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·document, and the agreement between Hong Kong |\n| ·3· ·International and Lamp Capital, which we looked at |\n| ·4· ·as Exhibit 4, are you aware of any document that you |\n| ·5· ·executed on behalf of Hong Kong International? |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure. |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Do you recall when the Lady May |\n| 10· ·sailed south in 2020? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·October. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall when in October? |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any better recollection than |\n| 15· ·sometime in October? |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Exhibit 6, |\n| 18· · · · Mei Guo Deposition Exhibit 6, a copy of |\n| 19· · · · Justice Ostrager's Decision and Order from |\n| 20· · · · October 15, 2020. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 6 was received and marked for |\n| 22· ·identification, as of this date.) |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, while we wait on that, how long |\n| 25· ·does it take to sail the Lady May from New York to |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 170 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·Florida? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·It entirely depends on the weather. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Approximately? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·As I remember, there was once when the | |\n| ·6· ·weather conditions were really poor, and it took | |\n| ·7· ·them maybe two weeks. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·And if the conditions are good? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·That, I don't know. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you recognize this document, Ms. Guo? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Just one moment.· I'll take a look. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·I don't recall. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall either seeing this order or | |\n| 14· ·being told by counsel that Justice Ostrager had | |\n| 15· ·ordered that Mr. Kwok and/or the registered owners | |\n| 16· ·of the residence at the Sherry-Netherland and the | |\n| 17· ·yacht the Lady May are restrained from making or | |\n| 18· ·closing any sale, assignment, transfer, or | |\n| 19· ·interference with those assets? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't recall ever seeing this document. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Hong Kong International was the | |\n| 22· ·registered owner of the Lady May on October 15, | |\n| 23· ·2020, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·You are referring to Hong Kong | |\n| 25· ·International USA, correct? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 171 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Yes, ma'am. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Did your counsel tell you that as of | |\n| ·5· ·October 15, 2020, there was a restraining order | |\n| ·6· ·applying to you with regard to the Lady May and any | |\n| ·7· ·interference with the asset? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· We haven't | |\n| ·9· · · · established it, Counsel. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· In fact, I have. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No, you haven't.· And I'm | |\n| 12· · · · talking about October 15, 2020. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And we've established that | |\n| 14· · · · Mr. Mitchell was her counsel at that time, | |\n| 15· · · · correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No, you didn't. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Oh, my God. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You can ask her. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I've asked her.· It's in the | |\n| 20· · · · record. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Mr. Vartan, once again, you're amazing in | |\n| 22· · · · your creativity of how to waste time. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, Mr. Mitchell was your counsel in | |\n| 25· ·October of 2020, correct? | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 172 |\n|--------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I can't remember those | |\n| ·3· ·clearly. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you believe you had no counsel at that | |\n| ·5· ·time? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did your father or anyone else involved in | |\n| | ·8· ·that litigation inform you that you are subject to a | |\n| | ·9· ·Court order impacting your use of the Lady May? | |\n| | 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Mei Guo | |\n| | 13· · · · Exhibit 7 another Decision and Order from | |\n| | 14· · · · Justice Ostrager, this one dated March 16, | |\n| 15· · · · 2021. | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 7 was received and marked for | |\n| | 17· ·identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, on or after March 17, 2021, do | |\n| | 20· ·you recall, were you informed that there was a | |\n| | 21· ·contempt order stating that for every day the yacht | |\n| | 22· ·is outside the jurisdiction of this Court after | |\n| | 23· ·May 15, 2021, Defendant Kwok will be fined \\$500,000? | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·I know about that. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·And you knew about -- when did you learn | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 173 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·of that? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·And did you learn about the next line | |\n| | ·5· ·where the Court also ordered that the other | |\n| | ·6· ·restraints related to the ownership and control of | |\n| | ·7· ·the yacht remain in place? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·In your affidavit you said you were made | |\n| | 10· ·aware of the Court's order by your counsel, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Who was that counsel? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Lee. | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Vartan. | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·You go on to say: | |\n| | 16· · · · · · · · · \"I did not want the boat to travel to | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·New York, and, after consulting with | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·counsel, directed instead that it proceed | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·to Europe as had been long planned at | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·significant expense.\" | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·Who is the counsel you consulted with with | |\n| | 22· ·regard to directing the boat to proceed to Europe? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Lee. | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·You're referring to Mr. Vartan again, who | |\n| | 25· ·is the counsel that directed -- gave you the advice | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 174 of 210\n\n| Page 174
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·with regard to proceeding to Europe despite being |\n| ·3· ·aware of the Court's order to return the boat to |\n| ·4· ·New York? |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·At that time he was my counsel. |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Is he the counsel who gave you the advice? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·So to be clear, you were aware that if the |\n| 11· ·Lady May was not returned to New York by May 15, |\n| 12· ·2021, your father would incur fines of \\$500,000 a |\n| 13· ·day, but in response you consulted with counsel and |\n| 14· ·instead directed the Lady May to proceed to Europe; |\n| 15· ·is that correct? |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall when the Lady May's repairs |\n| 18· ·in the winter -- the winter months, January, |\n| 19· ·February, March, whenever they may have been -- of |\n| 20· ·2021 were completed? |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I don't recall the details. |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection of when |\n| 23· ·those repairs were completed? |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·2021.· I really don't remember. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·But as you state in 15, it was after those |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 175 of\n\n210\n\n| Page 175
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·repairs were completed that your brother asked if he |\n| ·3· ·could use the Lady May in Europe, correct? |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Looking at Guo 1, |\n| ·5· · · · paragraph 15? |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just asking her. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You said 15.· Again, I want |\n| ·8· · · · her to be aware of where you're reading from. |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay, Mr. Vartan. |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead, Ms. Guo. |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Look at Guo 1, paragraph 15. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Just one moment. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It's your affidavit. |\n| 15· · · · · · ·We are just once again wasting time on the |\n| 16· · · · record because your counsel wants to show you |\n| 17· · · · documents. |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I would just refer you to |\n| 19· · · · your question.· You said -- |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I was helping her |\n| 21· · · · to give her a placing. |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· But as you stated -- |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· This is her testimony. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Right, but you said \"as you |\n| 25· · · · stated in 15,\" so it would only be fair that |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 176
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · she have access to the document. |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you told me Mr. Vartan drafted |\n| ·5· ·your affidavit.· He seems very concerned that you're |\n| ·6· ·not familiar with the facts in it. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Did you review this affidavit before you |\n| ·8· ·signed it? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You don't have to answer |\n| 10· · · · that. |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Yes, you do. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Yes, of course I reviewed it.· It's just |\n| 14· ·that my counsel knows that I have a bad memory. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Now that you have it in front of you, do |\n| 16· ·you recall that you gave a sworn statement that: |\n| 17· · · · · · · · · \"The Lady May underwent needed |\n| 18· · · · · · ·inspections and maintenance, and when |\n| 19· · · · · · ·completed my brother, who resides in |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Europe, asked if he could have access to |\n| 21· · · · · · ·the yacht\"? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Yes, correct. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·As we discussed, you are aware that the |\n| 24· ·hearing transcript that we have been looking at from |\n| 25· ·February 2, 2022, was based on the direction from |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 177 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 177 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·the appellate division to conduct an evidentiary | |\n| ·3· ·hearing to resolve the dispute as to ownership and | |\n| ·4· ·control of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I am aware. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·You've said that you take the Lady May to | |\n| ·9· ·Florida and the Bahamas in the winter, correct? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you ever take it to the Cayman Islands | |\n| 12· ·for repairs or registration? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Where is the Cayman Islands? | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Do you ever take it to the British Virgin | |\n| 15· ·Islands for repairs or registration? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Where are those islands? | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever make any communications with | |\n| 18· ·anyone at BakerHostetler in connection with the PAX | |\n| 19· ·litigation against your father? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, why did you consent to allow the | |\n| 22· ·Lady May to return to the United States from Europe? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Because if the boat was still not | |\n| 24· ·returning, it seemed like my dad would have a threat | |\n| 25· ·to his life.· And it seems like the boat was used as | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 178 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 178 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·a tool to keep my dad's security. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever think to do it sooner than | |\n| ·4· ·before he had incurred \\$130 million in fines? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, argumentative. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Well, I'm just asking. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that the Lady May was | |\n| 10· ·offered to be distributed or to be sold and its | |\n| 11· ·value distributed to creditors of your father's | |\n| 12· ·estate as part of a plan he proposed to the | |\n| 13· ·bankruptcy court? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I've heard about it from my counsel. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Were you consulted prior to the Lady May | |\n| 16· ·being offered up to pay for your father's creditors? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·What do you remember -- or, sorry, what do | |\n| 18· ·you mean?· Could you ask that again? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Prior to the Lady May being included in | |\n| 20· ·your father's proposed bankruptcy plan as an asset | |\n| 21· ·whose value could be distributed to the creditors, | |\n| 22· ·did anyone consult with you to see if you agreed | |\n| 23· ·that you would hand over the Lady May and allow it | |\n| 24· ·to be used to pay off your father's creditors? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 179 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 179 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Who spoke to you about it? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·My counsel. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Who was that? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I can't remember that clearly. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·This would have just been this past | |\n| ·7· ·spring.· Who was your counsel in connection with | |\n| ·8· ·your father's bankruptcy this past spring? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Vartan was not your bankruptcy | |\n| 11· ·counsel, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·He's my counsel. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·But he wasn't your counsel for bankruptcy | |\n| 14· ·purposes in April of 2022, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·That's correct.· He wasn't. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall who was your counsel that | |\n| 17· ·spoke to you about the possibility of including the | |\n| 18· ·Lady May as an asset for your father to distribute | |\n| 19· ·to his creditors? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Did your father ever speak to you about | |\n| 22· ·using the Lady May to pay off his creditors? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Did your mother ever speak to you about | |\n| 25· ·using the Lady May to pay off your father's | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 180 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· ·creditors? | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Did anyone ever -- from the firm of | | |\n| ·5· ·Brown Rudnick ever speak to you with regard to using | | |\n| ·6· ·the Lady May to pay off Mr. Kwok's creditors? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Could you repeat the name of the firm? | | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Brown Rudnick. | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Would you allow the Lady May to be used | | |\n| 11· ·today to pay off your father's creditors as part of | | |\n| 12· ·the plan? | | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·What would be the difference between today | | |\n| 15· ·and when I gave consent previously?· I don't quite | | |\n| 16· ·understand your question. | | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·It's not meant to be a riddle, Ms. Guo. | | |\n| 19· ·I'm asking you because I have to ask in stages.
I | | |\n| 20· ·asked then. | | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·So I'm asking you today, would you consent | | |\n| 22· ·to the Lady May being used as an asset to pay off | | |\n| 23· ·your father's creditors as part of a plan, a | | |\n| 24· ·Chapter 11 plan? | | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 181 of 210\n\nPage 181 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·For my dad's security, I do agree. ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I think I asked you earlier if ·5· ·you ever attended any of the bankruptcy court ·6· ·hearings. ·7· · · · · · ·Do you recall that? ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And I believe you told me you have not 10· ·attended any of those hearings, correct? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·And does that include -- and when I say 13· ·that, I mean both virtual hearings and in-person 14· ·hearings? 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·So did you ever -- have you ever listened 17· ·in to any of the bankruptcy court hearings in your 18· ·father's bankruptcy court case? 19· · · · A.· ·No. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we take a short 21· · · · break. 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure. 23· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 6:06 p.m.· We're 24· · · · going off the record. 25· · · · · · ·(Recess.)\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 182 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 182 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Time is 6:28 p.m.· We | |\n| ·3· · · · are back on the record. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I want to ask you about -- we | |\n| ·6· ·talked about the boat returning to the | |\n| ·7· ·United States. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·I want to now ask you about -- there was a | |\n| ·9· ·hearing in the bankruptcy court on April 13 in which | |\n| 10· ·an issue with regard to posting a bond equal to the | |\n| 11· ·value of the boat, approximately \\$37 million, came | |\n| 12· ·up. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Are you familiar with that hearing? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·When did you first hear about the | |\n| 16· ·possibility of Hong Kong International having to | |\n| 17· ·post the bond? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·That would be on that same day. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·How did you hear about it? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I received a phone call from my counsel. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Who was that counsel? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Aaron Mitchell. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron Mitchell?· Is that what | |\n| 24· · · · she said? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Aaron Mitchell. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 183 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·You spoke to Mr. Mitchell about this ·4· ·issue? ·5· · · · A.· ·What issues are you referring to, going to ·6· ·the Court?· No, I mean about that hearing? ·7· · · · Q.· ·Let me take a step back. ·8· · · · · · ·At the time Mr. Mitchell was your counsel ·9· ·and he was also your father's counsel, correct? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·+ What did Mr. Mitchell tell you on that 12· ·phone call? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· And I would just caution, now 14· · · · this is getting into conversations that you're 15· · · · having with your attorney. 16· · · · · · ·So I'm assuming you're not looking for 17· · · · privileged information. 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No, I am, because that 19· · · · privilege has been waived.· It's owned by the 20· · · · trustee, and the Court has ruled that any joint 21· · · · defense communications and common interest 22· · · · communications between Mr. Kwok's counsel and 23· · · · anyone else's are -- belongs to the trustee. 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· He was acting in her -- in 25· · · · the capacity as her counsel.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 184 of\n\n210\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · MR. LUFT:· And Mr. Kwok's counsel. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· I've been very quiet | |\n| ·4· ·throughout this deposition, but I was involved | |\n| ·5· ·in that process. | |\n| ·6· · · · That was a communication between | |\n| ·7· ·Aaron Mitchell in his capacity as Mei and HK's | |\n| ·8· ·counsel.· The debtor was not present for that | |\n| ·9· ·communication. | |\n| 10· · · · We are instructing the witness not to | |\n| 11· ·divulge those communications. | |\n| 12· · · · MR. LUFT:· I don't understand the | |\n| 13· ·objection.· It doesn't matter if Mr. Kwok is | |\n| 14· ·present when they're happening. | |\n| 15· · · · Mr. Mitchell is at a hearing at which he | |\n| 16· ·is serving as counsel for both Mr. Kwok -- in | |\n| 17· ·fact, he was -- and I guess also Ms. Guo.· She | |\n| 18· ·had other counsel who was her exclusive | |\n| 19· ·counsel.· The counsel that she shares with her | |\n| 20· ·father spoke to her. | |\n| 21· · · · The court order is very clear that any | |\n| 22· ·common interest and joint defense | |\n| 23· ·communications with the defendant are -- belong | |\n| 24· ·to the trustee, and the trustee is entitled to | |\n| 25· ·know it.· So I don't see any basis for which | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 185 of\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 185 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·you guys to object for privilege. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· That's not a common interest | |\n| ·4· ·privileged communication.· It's an | |\n| ·5· ·attorney-client privileged communication. | |\n| ·6· ·You're free to make that argument to a judge. | |\n| ·7· ·We will make our argument to a judge, and the | |\n| ·8· ·judge will rule. | |\n| ·9· · · · MR. LUFT:· Okay.· All common interest and | |\n| 10· ·joint defense communications are | |\n| 11· ·attorney-client communications.· You have to | |\n| 12· ·have an attorney-client communication for it to | |\n| 13· ·be joint defense and common interest. | |\n| 14· · · · If you'd like, we can go off the record | |\n| 15· ·and you could speak to Mr. Mitchell, but I | |\n| 16· ·don't understand how you're telling me that | |\n| 17· ·while he's representing Mr. Kwok and speaking | |\n| 18· ·about an issue relating to him, he is | |\n| 19· ·somehow -- the part of his brain he was | |\n| 20· ·speaking with was not joint. | |\n| 21· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· That is not the law.
A | |\n| 22· ·lawyer who represents two clients is not | |\n| 23· ·engaging in a joint interest privileged | |\n| 24· ·communication when they're speaking with either | |\n| 25· ·one of their clients individually. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 186 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 186 | |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· · · · MR. LUFT:· About an issue impacting both | | |\n| ·3· ·of them. | | |\n| ·4· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· We respectfully disagree with | | |\n| ·5· ·your view on it, and a Court will address it if | | |\n| ·6· ·that's what needs to happen. | | |\n| ·7· · · · MR. LUFT:· Are you directing her not to | | |\n| ·8· ·answer? | | |\n| ·9· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Yes.· You said you're asking | | |\n| 10· ·for privileged communications. | | |\n| 11· · · · MR. LUFT:· I'm asking about her | | |\n| 12· ·communications with Mr. Mitchell.· Mr. Pin^ now | | |\n| 13· ·owns that privilege. | | |\n| 14· · · · MR. VARTAN:· He does not own her | | |\n| 15· ·privilege.· She's not the debtor. | | |\n| 16· · · · MR. LUFT:· Are you aware of what the | | |\n| 17· ·privilege order says in this case? | | |\n| 18· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'm not. | | |\n| 19· · · · MR. LUFT:· Okay. | | |\n| 20· · · · MR. VARTAN:· She's not the debtor. | | |\n| 21· · · · MR. LUFT:· Maybe you and I should not be | | |\n| 22· ·talking about this. | | |\n| 23· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· That's why I spoke for the | | |\n| 24· ·first time on the record today.· Because I'm | | |\n| 25· ·the human being who negotiated that order on | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 187 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · behalf of the debtor.· And I'm very familiar | |\n| ·3· · · · with it. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·And I agree with your characterization of | |\n| ·5· · · · the order.· I disagree with your | |\n| ·6· · · · characterization of the communication as a | |\n| ·7· · · · joint interest privileged communication. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· I'm just asking. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·So you're instructing her not to answer? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Correct. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Are you going to follow your counsel's | |\n| 13· ·instruction? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·That's right. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· We're going reserve the | |\n| 16· · · · right to reopen the deposition or keep the | |\n| 17· · · · deposition open as to that issue. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did Mr. Mitchell have any | |\n| 21· ·communications with you -- | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, am I correct that I'm not | |\n| 23· · · · allowed to ask her about anything Mr. Mitchell | |\n| 24· · · · discussed with her despite him also being | |\n| 25· · · · Mr. Kwok's counsel and acting as Mr. Kwok's | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 188 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 188 |\n|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · counsel at that hearing? | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· That's correct. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·After you spoke to Mr. Mitchell, what did | |\n| ·6· ·you do? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·I made a call. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Who did you call? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The first call? | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Yes.· Start with the first one. | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·Uncle William. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Who is Uncle William? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·He's a family friend we've known for many, | |\n| | 14· ·many years.· I call him \"Uncle.\" | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·And does Uncle William have a last name? | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·In Chinese it's Yu, Y-U. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·And in English, is it pronounced | |\n| 18· ·William \"Je\"? | | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·I think so. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·And what did you say to Uncle William? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I told him about the conditions at that | |\n| | 22· ·time, and I said I needed to borrow some money, | |\n| | 23· ·otherwise my dad would face safety risks. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·What did you tell him were the conditions | |\n| 25· ·at the time? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n210\n\nPage 189 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Before the boat returned, I needed to ·3· ·borrow money that would be \\$37 million.· And once ·4· ·the boat returned, the money would be paid back. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Did you tell him anything else? ·6· · · · · · ·I'm going to ask you, in as much detail as ·7· ·possible, try to recall everything you said to ·8· ·Mr. Je on that phone call and everything he said to ·9· ·you. 10· · · · A.· ·That day, I made this call while feeling 11· ·extremely frightened.· I can't recall many details. 12· ·This is just the information that I recall now. 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall anything else about your 14· ·phone call with William Je? 15· · · · A.· ·I recall that he said yes to me. 16· · · · Q.· ·Yes, that he would lend you \\$37 million? 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· · · · Q.· ·Did he say anything else? 19· · · · A.· ·He confirmed twice to make sure that the 20· ·money would just be there temporarily, as like in a 21· ·bridging fund.· I said yes.· So he agreed very 22· ·quickly. 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall anything else, any other 24· ·terms or details included in the phone call? 25· · · · A.· ·No.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n210\n\n| Page 190
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall having any discussion |\n| ·3· ·with -- regarding whether the money would have to be |\n| ·4· ·used to pay for repairs to the boat? |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I was in great panic that day.· So no. |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·No, you don't recall, or no, you didn't |\n| ·7· ·discuss the fact that the money would have to be |\n| ·8· ·used to pay for repairs to the Lady May? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·On that phone call, no. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Again, what is the \"no\" referring to?· No, |\n| 11· ·you don't recall if you said it, or no, you did not |\n| 12· ·discuss the repairs? |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I did not discuss the repairs. |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Did you discuss if there would be interest |\n| 15· ·charged for this loan? |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Was there anyone on the phone with you |\n| 18· ·other than you and Uncle William? |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Did you have Mr. Je's number readily |\n| 21· ·available? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·How did you get Mr. Je's phone number? |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·I always had his number. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak to anyone other than Mr. Je |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 191 of 210\n\n| | Page 191 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| ·2· ·about getting the loan? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·After you got off -- how long was your | |\n| ·5· ·phone call with Mr. Je? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Probably only five or six minutes. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Is there anything else you recall about | |\n| ·8· ·that phone call that you have not told me yet? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·After you got off the phone with Mr. Je, | |\n| 11· ·what did you do next? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I had a drink. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·After you finished your drink. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·Let me ask:· Where were you that you had a | |\n| 15· ·drink?· That sounds great.· You have one now. | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·It was at my own home. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·So you were home when you got the phone | |\n| 18· ·call? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·CHECK INTERPRETER:· Did you say \"make\" the | |\n| 20· · · · phone call or \"got\" the phone call? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I said made the phone call, | |\n| 22· · · · but -- made the phone call. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·And after you finished your drink, what | |\n| 25· ·did you do? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 192 of 210\n\nPage 192 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't recall.· I was really anxious ·3· ·throughout that whole day. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall anything else that you did ·5· ·that day after you spoke with Mr. Je on that first ·6· ·phone call? ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you called back ·9· ·Mr. Mitchell and told him you got the loan? 10· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you spoke to anyone to 12· ·tell them that you got the loan? 13· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. 14· · · · Q.· ·Do you know how anyone else would know -- 15· ·would anyone other than you and Mr. Je know that you 16· ·got the loan? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did you speak to anyone on this 21· ·topic on April 13 other than that one phone call 22· ·with Mr. Je and the initial phone call from 23· ·Mr. Mitchell before you spoke to Mr. Je? 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you remember the next time you spoke to\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 193 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 193 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·anyone with regard to this topic? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall having any conversations | |\n| ·5· ·with anyone other than Mr. Je in that phone call | |\n| ·6· ·we've discussed and the initial phone call you had | |\n| ·7· ·with Mr. Mitchell leading up to your phone call with | |\n| ·8· ·Mr. Je with regard to the topic of the \\$37 million | |\n| ·9· ·loan and its terms? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Other than her attorneys? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· My question does not | |\n| 12· · · · include your question. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·You can answer. | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember the exact time, but I did | |\n| 16· ·speak with my counsel. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·When did you speak with your counsel? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Who did you speak with? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I think it might have been the counsel | |\n| 21· ·from Connecticut, but I can't remember. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have any conversations with | |\n| 23· ·Mr. Mitchell again on this topic? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the terms of the | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 194 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·\\$37 million loan? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I've read them. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·When you spoke to Mr. Je originally, did | |\n| ·5· ·he tell you what -- which entity was going to make | |\n| ·6· ·you the loan? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall that originally that it | |\n| ·9· ·was -- the loan was to come from ACA Capital? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Your father has a history of working with | |\n| 12· ·ACA Capital, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Were you involved in negotiating any of | |\n| 17· ·the terms of the loan agreement? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·You don't recall if you were involved in | |\n| 20· ·any of the negotiations of the loan agreement for | |\n| 21· ·\\$37 million? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·That's correct.· My counsel did. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Did your counsel inform you that | |\n| 24· ·originally you were not to be -- let me strike that. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo, are you aware that under the | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 195 of\n\n210\n\n| Page 195
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·final terms of the agreement you are personally |\n| ·3· ·liable for guaranteeing the \\$37 million loan? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·I am aware. |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that in earlier versions of |\n| ·6· ·the agreement, the loan was to be secured by the |\n| ·7· ·Lady May and not by you yourself personally? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes, I remember that. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Why was that change made? |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If that calls for |\n| 11· · · · conversations you had with counsel, again, you |\n| 12· · · · can't answer that. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Based on the counsel's advice. |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·+ So counsel advised you to personally |\n| 16· ·guarantee the loan? |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'll instruct you not to |\n| 18· · · · answer.· Calls for privileged information. |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just clarifying her answer. |\n| 20· · · · I just want to understand what she said. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You asked her what her |\n| 22· · · · counsel advised her. |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· She told me \"based on |\n| 24· · · · advice of counsel.\"· I just want to make sure I |\n| 25· · · · understand her answer. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 196 of 210\n\n| Page 196
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Right.· I'm instructing her |\n| ·3· · · · not to answer. |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·You're going to follow your counsel's |\n| ·7· ·advice? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·That's correct. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who negotiated the interest rate on the |\n| 10· ·loan? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·My counsel. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·You agreed to pay that interest rate, |\n| 13· ·3 percent per month? |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I agreed. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·And that \\$37 million, that's approximately |\n| 16· ·\\$1.1 million a month, correct? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Probably.· I didn't do the calculation. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·What funds were you going to use to pay |\n| 19· ·\\$1.1 million per month worth of interest? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·When I agreed to this, I actually didn't |\n| 21· ·expect that I would ever need to make the payment |\n| 22· ·because I was really confident that the boat would |\n| 23· ·be back on time and the money would be back into the |\n| 24· ·account. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·And ^judgments are great.· I never |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 197 of\n\n| | Page 197
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· ·expected that I would need to pay the money. |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·You didn't expect there would be any |\n| | ·4· ·period of time between when the boat returned to the |\n| | ·5· ·United States and when the money could be returned |\n| | ·6· ·to the lender? |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·At that time, I only had several days to |\n| | ·8· ·borrow the money and sign the document.· I didn't |\n| | ·9· ·really think about it that much. |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·What about the money that would be needed |\n| | 11· ·to repair the boat?· Where was that going to come |\n| | 12· ·from? |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The insurance would pay part of it.· My |\n| | 14· ·brother would pay part of it for me. |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Did Mr. Je ever tell you that he was going |\n| | 16· ·to charge you a million dollars a month to borrow |\n| | 17· ·the money? |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever think to see if there was |\n| | 20· ·anyone who was going to charge you less of a |\n| | 21· ·usurious loan rate? |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·Could you repeat that question?· I don't |\n| | 24· ·understand it. |\n| 25 | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n210\n\nPage 198 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Sure. ·4· · · · · · ·Did you ever see if anyone would charge ·5· ·you less than 3 percent interest per month to borrow ·6· ·the money? ·7· · · · A.· ·No. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know if anyone else reached out to ·9· ·any other lenders other than Mr. Je to provide the 10· ·money? 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever ask your brother if he would 13· ·lend you the money to pay for the bond in connection 14· ·with your father's bankruptcy? 15· · · · A.· ·No. 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you have to provide any due diligence 17· ·documents to Mr. Je prior to him loaning you 18· ·\\$37 million? 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to \"due diligence 20· · · · documents.\"· I don't know if that definition is 21· · · · clear. 22· · · · A.· ·No. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·And the loan that Mr. Je gave you for 25· ·\\$37 million without seeing any due diligence\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 199 of 210\n\n| Page 199
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·documents is unsecured, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand what is meant by |\n| ·5· ·\"unsecured.\" |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Je didn't receive any security |\n| ·8· ·interest in connection with his loan, correct? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection.· I don't know |\n| 10· · · · if she knows what \"security interest\" means. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The interpreter is not |\n| 12· · · · quite sure about security interest, so we were |\n| 13· · · · talking about the proper translation of |\n| 14· · · · security interest. |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· How do you say \"security |\n| 16· · · · interest\"? |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· In what context? |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't know that security |\n| 19· · · · interest means a lien.· If you want to ask |\n| 20· · · · about a lien, ask about a lien. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·CHECK INTERPRETER:· Is it like a schedule |\n| 22· · · · or guarantee? |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Right.· I would consider a |\n| 24· · · · personal guarantee to be a security interest. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm sure Mr. Zeisler will |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 200 of 210\n\nPage 200 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · tell you that's not -- ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm not a bankruptcy ·4· · · · attorney. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· That's why I am suggesting you ·6· · · · not jump in. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm giving my non-bankruptcy ·8· · · · perspective. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· A personal guarantee is 10· · · · probably security.· It's not a security 11· · · · interest.· A lien is a type of security 12· · · · interest, but it's not the only. 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I was 50 percent right.· It's 14· · · · 7:00. 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I don't know if it's 16· · · · 50 percent. 17· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I was explaining the 18· · · · translation of the term to the witness. 19· · · · A.· ·So you're asking me about whether there 20· ·was a security interest; is that correct? 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Why don't we just -- I'll repeat my 23· ·question. 24· · · · A.· ·Thank you. 25· · · · Q.· ·And the loan that Mr. Je gave you for\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 201 of 210\n\nPage 201 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·\\$37 million without seeing any due diligence ·3· ·documents was unsecured, correct? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. ·5· · · · A.· ·I think for him, the security would be ·6· ·that we were certain and told him that once the boat ·7· ·is back, the money would be back.· That's the ·8· ·security. ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did you provide any 11· ·know-your-customer documents to Mr. Je in connection 12· ·with the loan? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know what that is. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you read the terms of the loan 17· ·agreement? 18· · · · · · ·Well, who's the loan agreement between -- 19· ·with Hong Kong International funds with? 20· · · · A.· ·I did read the terms.· That's with 21· ·Himalaya Financial Group.· I don't know about the 22· ·Chinese. 23· · · · Q.· ·What business is Himalaya Financial Group 24· ·in? 25· · · · A.· ·I don't know.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 202 of\n\n210\n\n| | | Page 202 |\n|----------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you understand that they issued -- do | |\n| | ·3· ·you understand they issue cryptocurrency? | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever hear of H Coin? | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·And are you aware that Himalaya Financial | |\n| | 12· ·is involved with H Coin? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·I'm not aware. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Your father is involved with H Coin, | |\n| 15· ·correct? | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever heard your father's song, | |\n| | 20· ·\"H Coin to the Moon\"? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Do you want me to show you the video? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Okay. | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· When the deposition is over, I'll | |\n| | 25· ·show you.· That's good. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 203
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't know if we're hanging |\n| ·3· · · · around after the deposition, but we can go |\n| ·4· · · · ahead. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·In fact, your father has a long history of |\n| ·7· ·doing business dealings with Mr. William Je, |\n| ·8· ·correct? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I don't know. |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·You know Mr. Je is involved with |\n| 13· ·ACA Capital, correct? |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I think, yes, probably. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·And you know your father is involved with |\n| 16· ·ACA Capital, correct? |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know. |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask the court |\n| 20· · · · reporter to mark as Exhibit 8 a copy of the |\n| 21· · · · Stipulated Order Compelling HK International |\n| 22· · · · Funds Investments Limited to transport and |\n| 23· · · · deliver that certain yacht, the Lady May. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 8 was received and marked |\n| 25· · · · for identification, as of this date.) |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 204 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you recognize this document? | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you ever read this | |\n| ·6· ·document? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·Give me some time.· I need to read it. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Of course. | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·I have some impression of it. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Were you involved in negotiating this | |\n| 11· ·agreement? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any personal knowledge with | |\n| | 14· ·regard to the negotiations related to this | |\n| 15· ·agreement? | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·Personal knowledge, right? | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Who negotiated this agreement on behalf of | |\n| | 22· ·Hong Kong International? | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·My counsel. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Who is that? | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·I think an attorney from Connecticut. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 205 of 210\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 205 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you know which one? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall him discussing the terms of | |\n| | ·5· ·the agreement with you while he was negotiating it? | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Just answer that yes or no. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·How many conversations did he have with | |\n| | 10· ·you while he was negotiating this agreement? | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·I asked you earlier today about other | |\n| | 13· ·entities that you owned other than Hong Kong | |\n| | 14· ·International.· You told me you could not recall the | |\n| | 15· ·names of any of them. | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·Do you remember that testimony? | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Misstates the testimony. | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·Yes, I remember. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·I'll ask you the same thing. | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·Are there any entities other than | |\n| | 22· ·Hong Kong International that you are a director of? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·I really don't remember. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Why don't we take a | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 206 of 210\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 206 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·break and see if we're close to done. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. VARTAN:· How much time do we have | |\n| ·4· ·left? | |\n| ·5· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Do you want to go off | |\n| ·6· ·record first? | |\n| ·7· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Please. | |\n| ·8· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It's 7:13 p.m.· We're | |\n| ·9· ·going off the record. | |\n| 10· · · · (Recess.) | |\n| 11· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 7:31 p.m.· We are | |\n| 12· ·back on the record. | |\n| 13· · · · MR. LUFT:· Ms. Guo, I'm going leave this | |\n| 14· ·deposition open for the reasons I've stated | |\n| 15· ·throughout regarding instructions for your | |\n| 16· ·counsel not to answer non-privileged questions, | |\n| 17· ·improper privileged questions, objections, and | |\n| 18· ·documents that are missing and the other | |\n| 19· ·reasons I've raised. | |\n| 20· · · · Other than that, I have no further | |\n| 21· ·questions for you at this time. | |\n| 22· · · · THE WITNESS:· Okay. | |\n| 23· · · · MR. LUFT:· Thank you, Ms. Guo. | |\n| 24· · · · THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | |\n| 25· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 207 of\n\n| 210 | |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 207 |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you, everyone. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 7:32 p.m.· We're | |\n| ·4· · · · going off the record. | |\n\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Time noted:· 7:32 p.m.) | | | |\n|-----------------------------------------|--|--|--|\n|-----------------------------------------|--|--|--|\n\n·5\n\n·7\n\n·8\n\n| ·9 | | |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| 10 | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________ | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · · · ·MEI GUO | |\n| 13 | | |\n| | 14· ·Subscribed and sworn to | |\n| | 15· ·before me this· · ·day | |\n| | 16· ·of· · · · · · 2022. | |\n| | 17· ·_______________________ | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| | | |\n\n24 25\n\n210\n\n| ·1 | | Page 208 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · ·C O N T E N T S | |\n| | ·3· ·MR. LUFT· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·6 | |\n| ·4 | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·(Retained by the court reporter) | |\n| | ·7· ·DEPOSITION· · · · · EXHIBIT· · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE | |\n| | ·8· ·Exhibit 1· ·Affidavit of Mei Guo· · · · · · · · · 87 | |\n| | ·9· ·Exhibit 2· ·2-2-22 Hearing transcript· · · · · · ·92 | |\n| | 10· ·Exhibit 3· ·Lady May Certificate of Registry· · ·128 | |\n| | 11· ·Exhibit 4· ·Letter dated June 7, 2021· · · · · · 141 | |\n| | 12· ·Exhibit 5· ·Management and Operations Agreement· 153
· · · · · · · · ·dated May 7, 2021 | |\n| 13 | · · ·Exhibit 6· ·Decision and Order, October 15, 2020 169 | |\n| 14 | · · ·Exhibit 7· ·Decision and Order, March 16, 2021· ·172 | |\n| 15 | · · ·Exhibit 8· ·Stipulated Order· · · · · · · · · · ·204 | |\n| 16 | | |\n| 17 | · · ·Instruction not to answer· · · · · · · · · 10· · 9 | |\n| | 18· ·Instruction not to answer· · · · · · · · · 20· ·15
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21· ·Instruction not to answer· · · · · · · · ·195· ·17 | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nPage 209 ·1 ·2 ·3· · · · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE ·4 ·5· ·STATE OF NEW YORK· ) ·6· · · · · · · · · · · :· ·ss ·7· · · · · · ·I, Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court ·8· ·Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary Public within ·9· ·and for the States of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, 10· ·do hereby certify: 11· · · · · · ·That MEI GUO, the witness whose deposition is 12· ·herein before set forth, was duly sworn by me and that such 13· ·deposition is a true record of the testimony given by such 14· ·witness. 15· · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not related to any of 16· ·the parties to this action by blood or marriage and that I 17· ·am in no way interested in the outcome of this matter. 18· · · · · · ·In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand 19· ·this 23rd day of January, 2023. 20 21· · · · · · ·---------------------------------------- · · · · · · · ·ANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR 22· · · · · · ·LICENSE NO. XI00218400 23 24 25\n\n| | 1· · · · · · · · · · ERRATA SHEET | | | |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|\n| | 2· Case Name: | | | |\n| | 3· Deposition Date: | | | |\n| | 4· Deponent: | | | |\n| | 5· Pg.· No. Now Reads· · ·Should Read· Reason | | | |\n| | 6· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 7· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 8· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 9· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 10· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 11· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 12· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 13 ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 14· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 15· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 16· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 17· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 18· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 19· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · · · · · · · _____________________ | | | |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Signature of Deponent | | | |\n| 21 | | | | |\n| | 22· SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME | | | |\n| | 23· THIS ____ DAY OF __________, 2023. | | | |\n| | 24· ____________________ | | | |\n| | 25· (Notary Public)· ·MY COMMISSION EXPIRES:__________ | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |","body_zh":"第1页\n\n美国破产法院\n康涅狄格州地区\n布里奇波特分院\n---------------------------------------X\n关于：\n 第11章\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）， 案号：\n 22-50073 (JAM)\n债务人。\n---------------------------------------X\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）的视频录制证言\n2023年1月20日，星期五\n\n记录人：\nAngela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特），CCR、CRR、RMR、CSR\n工作编号：221677\n\n第2页\n\n2023年1月20日\n上午10时34分\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）的视频录制证言，于Chiesa Shahinian & Giantomasi（基耶萨·沙希尼安及詹托马西律师事务所），纽约州纽约市时代广场11号举行，由纽约州、新泽西州及康涅狄格州的持证法庭记录员、持证实时记录员、注册高级记录员及公证人Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特）主持。\n\n第3页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n出庭人员：\n\nPAUL HASTINGS LLP（普衡律师事务所） 受托人代理律师\n 200 Park Avenue\n New York, New York 10166\n出庭律师：AVRAM LUFT（阿夫拉姆·卢夫特），ESQ.\n DOUGLASS BARRON（道格拉斯·巴伦），ESQ.\n\nCHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC（基耶萨·沙希尼安及詹托马西律师事务所） HK INTERNATIONAL（HK国际）及\n MEI GUO（郭美）的代理律师\n One Boland Drive\n West Orange, New Jersey 07052\n出庭律师：LEE VARTAN（李·瓦尔坦），ESQ.\n\nZEISLER & ZEISLER, P.C.（泽斯勒及泽斯勒律师事务所） HK INTERNATIONAL（HK国际）及\n MEI GUO（郭美）的代理律师\n 10 Middle Street\n Bridgeport, Connecticut 06604\n出庭律师：AARON ROMNEY（亚伦·罗姆尼），ESQ.\n\n另行在场者：Chris Johnson（克里斯·约翰逊），摄像师\n Luyi Song（宋路易），Paul Hastings（普衡律师事务所）法律助理\n Jingyi Wang（王静怡），普通话口译员\n Una Wilkinson（尤娜·威尔金森），普通话核对口译员\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第4页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n摄像师：现开始记录。这是涉及美国破产法院康涅狄格州地区布里奇波特分院第11章案号22-50073 (JAM)中HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）事项的MEI GUO（郭美）视频录制证言，标记为第1号媒体的开始。\n\n本次证言在Chiesa Shahinian & Giantomasi PC（基耶萨·沙希尼安及詹托马西律师事务所），纽约州纽约市10001邮区，时代广场11号34层举行。\n\n今天是2023年1月20日，星期五。视频监视器显示的时间约为上午10时34分。\n\n我叫Chris Johnson（克里斯·约翰逊）。我是TSG Reporting Incorporated（TSG记录服务公司）的法律视频专员，该公司总部位于纽约州纽约市10017邮区东45街228号810室。\n\n今日的法庭记录员是Angela Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·肖-克罗克特），其亦与TSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）有关联。\n\n请所有在场律师介绍本人及其所代理的当事人。\n\nLUFT先生：我叫Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特）。我来自Paul Hastings（普衡律师事务所）。\n\n第5页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n我是本案第11章受托人的代理人。\n\n与我一同出席的是我的同事Doug Barron（道格·巴伦）和法律助理Luyi Song（宋路易）。\n\nVARTAN先生：早上好。我是Chiesa Shahinian & Giantomasi（基耶萨·沙希尼安及詹托马西律师事务所）的Lee Vartan（李·瓦尔坦）。我们不会因此怪罪摄像师。我们简称为“CSG law”。我同时代理HKI和MEI GUO（郭美）。\n\nROMNEY先生：我叫Aaron Romney（亚伦·罗姆尼）。我来自Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒及泽斯勒律师事务所）。我代理GUO女士、HK International（HK国际）。我还在本程序中代理债务人Miles Kwok（郭文贵）先生。\n\n证人：她能把口罩重新戴上吗？\n\n摄像师：请法庭记录员对证人和口译员宣誓，然后我们可以继续进行。\n\nJINGYI WANG（王静怡），经纽约州境内及代表纽约州的公证人依法先行宣誓后，宣誓将问题从英语译为普通话，并将回答从普通话译为英语，具体如下：\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第6页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）被传唤作为证人，经口译员先行依法宣誓后，接受询问并作证如下：\n\n询问\n\n由LUFT先生进行：\n\n问：早上好，GUO女士。您好吗？\n\n答：很好，谢谢。\n\n问：GUO女士，据我了解，您今天将以普通话作证，这很好，但我也了解到您懂一些英语。\n\n为了使记录清楚，我请求我们只采用其中一种语言。因此，如将使用口译员，即使您听懂了我的英语问题，也请等待口译员翻译。\n\n这样可以吗？\n\n答：可以。谢谢。\n\nLUFT先生：在我们继续之前，作一个简短澄清。\n\nROMNEY先生，您在本次证言中是为债务人出庭，还是您仅仅是在陈述，您在其他事项中代理债务人？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第7页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nROMNEY先生：这是个合理的问题。债务人不是本程序的当事人，因此我将——我今天是为GUO女士和HK International（HK国际）出庭。\n\nLUFT先生：明白。\n\nROMNEY先生：谢谢。\n\nLUFT先生：很好。\n\n由LUFT先生进行：\n\n问：GUO女士，我能否请您为记录陈述您的姓名？\n\n答：用英语吗？\n\n问：请，如果您可以的话。\n\n答：Mei Guo，M-E-I G-U-O。\n\n问：GUO女士，您目前住在哪里？\n\n答：我住在纽约。\n\n问：您能否告诉我您居住的地址？\n\nVARTAN先生：为作记录，我们反对因安全原因提供她的确切地址。\n\nLUFT先生：如果您希望根据保护令将其标记为保密或高度保密，我很乐意这样做，但我认为证人需要回答该问题。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第8页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN先生：我不知道她在纽约市的确切地址为何重要。她住在该市。她已在记录中作出该陈述。我不知道我们是否需要比这更深入。\n\nLUFT先生：嗯，在您进行询问时，您可以选择深入到您希望的程度。我认为我们知道她居住的地址很重要，而且我有权知道。\n\n我很乐意将其标记为高度保密，如同我们对本案中所有敏感信息所做的那样，但我请求证人回答该问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：我会先让口译员发言，然后我再回应。\n\n我本想回应说，也许我们可以继续进行，并在休息时处理此事。我不想打断证言的开始，但我认为您知道GUO女士出行时有安保人员陪同。\n\n在纽约州最高法院，Ostrager法官在GUO女士作证时采取了关闭法庭这一相当特殊的措施。因此，这里确有实际的安全顾虑。\n\n第9页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n我理解保密令，但我们确实看不出她在纽约市个人地址的相关性。\n\nLUFT先生：VARTAN先生，您刚接触本案。她的母亲已就其地址作证。她的父亲已就其地址作证。我假定他们有完全相同的安全顾虑，并以相同方式处理。我不理解为何GUO女士需要获得与其母亲和父亲不同的特别豁免。\n\nVARTAN先生：这里唯一的区别是，据我了解，该地址已进入公共领域，即格林尼治住宅和Sherry-Netherland均为人所知。\n\n我不认为GUO女士的地址曾以任何方式被公开。\n\nLUFT先生：VARTAN先生，我请求她——\n\nVARTAN先生：让口译员——谢谢。\n\n因此，再次说明，我不想打断证言的流程，我很乐意在休息时处理此事，但我认为我们现在可以继续，之后再回到此事。\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交日期03/09/23 录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00 第10页，共210页\n\n第10页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nLUFT先生：VARTAN先生，我认为这具有阻挠性且不当。\n\n您是否指示您的证人不要回答我的问题？\n\nVARTAN先生：目前，我指示她不要回答。必要时我们可以在休息时处理。\n\nLUFT先生：VARTAN先生，休息时没有什么需要处理。我提出了一个完全适当的问题。我已同意您可以使用现有保护令。\n\n如果您希望向法院寻求救济，以取得一项保护令，使她无需回答该问题，您可以这样做。否则，我认为您指示她不回答问题是不当的，因为该问题不涉及任何特权。\n\n因此，我将就该问题保留本次证言，因为她没有回答，我将继续进行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交日期03/09/23 录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00 第11页，共210页\n\n第11页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN先生：谢谢。\n\nLUFT先生：如果您愿意，我建议您向法院寻求救济。\n\n口译员：我没有听清——\n\nLUFT先生：我说，如果VARTAN先生希望以非特权理由指示证人不回答问题，他需要向法院寻求救济。\n\n证人：谢谢。\n\n由LUFT先生进行：\n\n问：GUO女士，您在目前住所居住了多久？\n\n答：两年。\n\n问：您独自居住，还是与其他家庭成员共同居住？\n\n答：独自居住。\n\n问：您拥有您的公寓吗——或者让我撤回这个问题。\n\n这是什么类型的住所？\n\n答：公寓。\n\n问：您是该公寓的所有人吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：您所居住公寓的所有人是谁\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交日期03/09/23 录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00 第12页，共210页\n\n第12页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n·2·您住的公寓的房东是谁？\n·3· 答：房东。\n·4· 问：房东是谁？\n·5· 答：我记不起来了。\n·6· 问：您不知道您所住公寓的\n·7·房东是谁？\n·8· 瓦尔坦先生（MR. VARTAN）：异议。\n·9· 答：我不记得我房东的名字。\n10·卢夫特先生（MR. LUFT）询问：\n11· 问：您向房东支付租金吗？\n12· 答：是。\n13· 问：您向哪个实体开具租金\n14·支票？\n15· 答：我记不起来了。\n16· 问：您自己支付房租，还是有人\n17·替您支付？\n18· 答：我自己支付房租。\n19· 问：您如何支付？\n20· 答：用支票。\n21· 问：该支票是从个人\n22·银行账户还是公司银行账户开出的？\n23· 答：从个人账户。\n24· 问：您用于支付\n25·房租的资金来源是什么？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 13 of 210\n\n·1· 郭女士（M. Guo） 第13页\n\n·2· 答：就是从我的个人银行账户。\n·3· 问：该银行账户内资金的\n·4·来源是什么？\n·5· 答：我有自己的工作。\n·6· 问：好的。您从事什么工作？\n·7· 答：我目前是一名企业家。我是一名电影\n·8·导演、制片人和编剧。\n·9· 问：您卖出过任何剧本吗？\n10· 答：没有。\n11· 问：您是否曾为他人执导电影，\n12·而非为自己执导？\n13· 答：是，在中国的时候。\n14· 问：在您居住在中国期间？\n15· 答：是。\n16· 问：您最后一次执导电影是什么时候？\n17· 答：您是指短片，还是指在影院上映的\n18·普通电影？\n19· 问：我们分开问。\n20· 我先问您是否曾为他人\n21·执导过任何电影。\n22· 答：我不记得具体情况。那是在我在中国\n23·的时候。我和另一名导演一起\n24·拍过一部电影。\n25· 问：您因执导该电影获得报酬了吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n·1· 郭女士 第14页\n\n·2· 答：是。\n·3· 问：您因执导该\n·4·电影获得多少报酬？\n·5· 答：我记不清具体数额，但\n·6·大约超过100,000 RMB。\n·7· 问：您记得何时执导该电影吗？\n·8· 答：大概是在2013或2014年。我不太\n·9·确定。但我想大概是2014年。\n10· 问：您离开中国后执导过任何电影吗？\n11·\n12· 瓦尔坦先生：我仅对这一路询问\n13·提出异议。我愿意在记录中提出\n14·持续异议。我已给予对方律师一些自由度，\n15·但在我看来，这些问题确实都超出了\n16·我们今天在此的范围，该范围是为\n17·PJR程序作准备。\n18·\n19· 因此，郭女士在中国于\n20·2013或2014年所做的事情，对于将提交法院审理的\n21·任何事项均绝对没有\n22·相关性。\n23· 卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生。\n24·卢夫特先生询问：\n25· 问：您可以回答我的问题。\n\n第15页 ·1· 郭女士\n·2· 答：抱歉。我不记得问题\n·3·是什么了。\n·4· 问：您离开中国后执导过任何电影吗？\n·5·\n·6· 瓦尔坦先生：同样的异议。\n·7· 卢夫特先生，您是否接受我提出\n·8·持续异议，还是希望我对每一个问题\n·9·提出异议？\n10· 卢夫特先生：我不接受您的说明性异议。但我不知道——\n11·由于我将提出不同的问题，\n12·我不知道您所要求的是何种\n13·持续异议。\n14·\n15· 您的意思是，您希望对我提出的每一个问题\n16·都提出持续异议吗？\n17· 瓦尔坦先生：对每一个超出\n18·PJR程序范围的问题。我愿意\n19·逐个问题提出异议。\n20· 卢夫特先生：您只需说“异议，形式”，\n21·那就足够了。\n22· 尤其考虑到今天有译员，\n23·我们不要因说明性异议浪费时间。\n24· 瓦尔坦先生：那么，我要求我们不要\n25·在无关材料上浪费时间。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n第16页 ·1· 郭女士\n·2· 卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，您已多次对\n·3·您的证人说过此事——\n·4· 瓦尔坦先生：我是在和您说话。\n·5· 卢夫特先生：这不是无关的，明白吗？\n·6·再说一次，我不知道这是否因为您刚刚\n·7·加入本案。但是，她的资金来源以及她如何支付各项费用，\n·8·\n·9·正是本案的核心所在。\n10· 瓦尔坦先生：不在我所读的反诉中。\n11·卢夫特先生询问：\n12· 问：郭女士，自您告诉我您在中国最后一次执导电影，\n13·即您称大约在2013至2014年期间的那次，\n14·之后，您是否曾因执导任何\n15·电影而获得报酬？\n16· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n17· 答：没有。\n18·卢夫特先生询问：\n19· 问：您还说过您制作过电影。\n20· 您离开中国后是否制作过任何\n21·电影？\n22· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n23· 答：与其他人一起制作过很多，但这些电影都是通过\n24·学生制作的独立电影。\n25·\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 17 of 210\n\n第17页 ·1· 郭女士\n·2·卢夫特先生询问：\n·3· 问：所以它们是学生电影？\n·4· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n·5· 答：是。\n·6·卢夫特先生询问：\n·7· 问：您从制作这些学生电影中\n·8·赚过钱吗？\n·9· 瓦尔坦先生：同样的异议。\n10· 答：没有。\n11·卢夫特先生询问：\n12· 问：除担任电影制片人、\n13·导演和编剧外，自您搬到美国以来，\n14·您是否还通过其他方式获得过收入\n15·或资金？\n16· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n17· 答：是。\n18·卢夫特先生询问：\n19· 问：您还通过何种方式获得收入或资金？\n20· 答：我自2016年以来一直担任盘古广场（Pangu Plaza）的首席执行官，\n21·所以我一直在领取薪水。\n22· 问：盘古广场位于哪里？\n23· 答：它位于中国北京，地址是\n24·朝阳路27号。\n25· 问：您目前仍是\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n第18页 ·1· 郭女士\n·2·盘古广场的首席执行官？\n·3· 答：是。\n·4· 问：您作为盘古广场\n·5·首席执行官的薪酬是多少？\n·6· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n·7· 答：年薪加奖金，我记得不太清楚，\n·8·但大约是\n·9·1.45 million。\n10·卢夫特先生询问：\n11· 问：是美元吗？\n12· 答：我倒希望是。但这是RMB。\n13· 问：谁拥有盘古广场？\n14· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n15· 答：家族基金。\n16·卢夫特先生询问：\n17· 问：谁管理该家族基金？\n18· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n19· 答：许多家庭成员。\n20·卢夫特先生询问：\n21· 问：该家族基金的名称是什么？\n22· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n23· 答：就叫“家族基金”。\n24·卢夫特先生询问：\n25· 问：那么，雇用您的人除家族基金外没有名称\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n·1· 郭女士 第19页\n\n·2·吗？\n·3· 瓦尔坦先生：异议，歪曲\n·4·证言。\n·5· 答：我的雇主不是个人。它是一个\n·6·基金。它是我家族的一项业务。\n·7·卢夫特先生询问：\n·8· 问：我想知道的是，雇用您的\n·9·那项业务名称是什么？\n10· 瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n11· 答：我刚才之前提及、所指的是\n12·盘古集团（Pangu Group）。因此，那是一项\n13·业务，也是我家族业务的\n14·一部分。\n15·卢夫特先生询问：\n16· 问：您说您家族的业务时，您家族中\n17·哪些人参与盘古集团？\n18· 瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n19· 答：我的叔叔以及我父系的堂表兄弟，\n20·具体而言是男性堂表兄弟，\n21·还有我自己。\n22·卢夫特先生询问：\n23· 问：所以，您的兄弟、您本人，以及您父系的叔叔和\n24·堂表兄弟都参与其中；对吗？\n25· 译员（THE INTERPRETER）：对\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 20 of 210\n\n·1· 郭女士\n\n·2·译员的更正。证人所说的这些\n·3·cousins是男性堂表兄弟，而不是堂表兄弟加\n·4·兄弟；而是我的叔叔、我的堂表兄弟，\n·5·具体而言是男性堂表兄弟。\n·6·卢夫特先生询问：\n·7· 问：我们澄清一下。\n·8· 您的兄弟参与\n·9·盘古集团吗？\n10· 瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n11· 答：没有。\n12·卢夫特先生询问：\n13· 问：您的哪一位叔叔参与\n14·盘古集团？\n15· 瓦尔坦先生：我要提出异议，并进一步指示\n16·证人不要回答。此时，我们已远远偏离\n17·今天在此的原因，我实在看不出\n18·这些事项中任何一项的相关性。\n19·\n20· 卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，我认为遗憾的是，\n21·您决定出席本案仅仅是为了阻挠。显然，\n22·这就是您的意图。\n23·\n24· 关于谁——她家族的参与情况以及其业务如何\n25·相互关联的问题，\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 21 of 210\n\n·1· 郭女士 第21页\n\n·2·正是本案的核心。\n\n·3·如果您读过反诉，您就会知道\n·4·这正是争议所在。\n·5· 我要求您停止基于毫无根据的理由\n·6·提出异议。\n·7· 瓦尔坦先生：我并非基于毫无根据的\n·8·理由提出异议。我正努力不阻挠此次\n·9·证言录取。\n10· 但归根结底，据我理解，\n11·我们今天在此，是因为您正在探究\n12·HKI与债务人之间的任何联系，\n13·以及HKI与喜马拉雅（Himalaya）之间的任何联系。\n14· 盘古周边发生的任何事情\n15·均与PJR程序无关。这不是破产程序中的\n16·一般证言录取。\n17· 卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，并非由您\n18·决定我在此次程序中获准询问\n19·哪些主题。\n20· 如果您读过反诉，对吧，\n21·我确信您读过，您就知道，\n22·其中有许多关于除HKI和喜马拉雅之外的多个家族\n23·企业的指称，\n24·对吗？\n25· 瓦尔坦先生：我们不是在此处理一项\n\n第22页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n概括而言——\n\nLUFT先生：这与概括而言无关。这些是本案的反诉。\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦）：这与任何其他业务无关。这与HKI有关。她很乐意回答您关于其业务的任何问题。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特）：Vartan先生，我的问题涉及HKI，涉及她从何处获得资金，涉及所有这些事项。这些问题直接关系到反诉，直接关系到我们证明本案的能力。\n\n我请您停止干扰该证言录取。\n\nVARTAN先生：我没有干扰。我是在努力使证言录取不偏离主题。您还没有问过一个关于HKI的问题。\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，我现在确实还在引言的第一页。我向您保证，我们会问到HKI。好吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：我请您尽早这样做，否则我们会在这里待上一整天，谈论——\n\nLUFT先生：很抱歉耽误了您一天的时间。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073 文件1529 提交日期03/09/23 录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00 第23页，共210页\n\n第23页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n好吗？但这就是我们将要做的，而且我将按照我希望的方式提问。\n\nVARTAN先生：请继续。\n\n口译员：关于刚才的交流，您是否希望口译员翻译刚才的交流内容？\n\nVARTAN先生：请翻译。\n\n口译员：Angie，您介意——\n\nLUFT先生：我认为这纯属浪费时间。我将保留要求额外时间的权利。\n\n口译员：抱歉，Angie。您介意回到刚才交流停止、口译员停止翻译的地方吗？\n\n（进行了非记录在案的讨论。）\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，将所有这些内容翻译出来的目的是什么——要求口译员回过头来逐一翻译我们来回交谈的目的是什么，除了浪费记录在案的时间之外？\n\nVARTAN先生：不是为了浪费时间。我希望确保该证人完全理解并\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第24页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n理解在证言录取中发生的事情。\n\nLUFT先生：您的证人会说英语。如果她希望用普通话作证，那没有问题，但您是在浪费时间。\n\nVARTAN先生：您不能告诉我我的证人说什么语言。为准备今天的证言录取，我在口译员协助下与我的当事人和证人进行了沟通。您不能规定她说什么语言。\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，继续浪费时间吧。\n\n（口译员宣读记录。）\n\n口译员：我完成了。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：Guo女士，您会说并且能听懂一些英语，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您和朋友说英语吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您会读英语吗？\n\n答：一些。\n\n问：好的。\n\nLUFT先生：我在此为记录说明，根据我在实时画面中所见，\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073 文件1529 提交日期03/09/23 录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00 第25页，共210页\n\n第25页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n仅翻译刚才来回交谈的工作就花了近五分钟。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：Guo女士，您的兄弟参与盘古集团（Pangu Group）吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，已问已答。\n\n答：没有。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您的哪一位叔叔参与盘古集团？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议并指示。\n\n我指示您不要回答涉及哪些具体家庭成员的问题。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您的哪些堂表兄弟姐妹参与盘古集团？\n\nLUFT先生：我撤回该问题。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您会遵从您律师的指示吗？\n\n答：会。\n\nLUFT先生：该指示的依据不是特权，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第26页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nVARTAN先生：该指示的依据是安全利益。\n\n（书记员请求澄清。）\n\nLUFT先生：您说，该指示的依据是家庭的安全利益，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对。\n\nLUFT先生：再次说明，关于安全的问题可以根据保护令处理。您可以将其标记为高度保密，但您不能仅因您认为存在任何安全顾虑，就指示证人不要回答。\n\nVARTAN先生：明白。我目前指示她不要回答。\n\n很乐意在休息时重新讨论此事。\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生——\n\n证人：我可以说话吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：不可以。只有在有待答问题时才可以。\n\n证人：好的。\n\nLUFT先生：目前有一个待答问题。您可以回答该问题。\n\n答：刚才的问题是什么？我不记得了。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第27页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您的哪一位叔叔参与盘古集团？\n\nVARTAN先生：同样异议。\n\n答：非常感谢您的提醒，因为本案在中国向公众公开。因此，我可以回答这个问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：哦，好的。既然如此，请继续。\n\n答：因此，在我开始在那里面任职之前，我的叔叔们，包括我父亲的四哥、我父亲的五哥和我父亲的六哥，共同管理盘古。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：那么，在您受聘之后，他们就不再管理它了吗？\n\n答：因此，我想说明当时的情况。这不仅仅是我受聘的问题，而是我的所有家庭成员都被共产党关进监狱。他们出来后，都有健康问题。其中一人甚至被送入一家心理医院。\n\nLUFT先生：精神病院。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第28页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n口译员：更正。不是心理医院，是精神病院。\n\n答：因此，没有人管理这项业务。所以我自愿去做。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您父亲的四哥、五哥和六哥的姓名是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：哥哥叔叔？我不明白。\n\n答：我确实不记得他们的姓名。我从不直呼他们的姓名。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：好的。您提到了堂表兄弟姐妹。\n\n问：参与盘古集团的您的堂表兄弟姐妹的姓名是什么？\n\n答：我很抱歉，因为我的堂表兄弟姐妹从未向公众披露他们的姓名。所以我不想说出他们的姓名。\n\n问：好的。那么，我们可以将此标记为高度保密。\n\nVARTAN先生：我将指示证人不要回答。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您会遵从您律师的\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第29页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n指示吗？\n\n答：我确实不想回答这个问题。\n\nLUFT先生：而且您并非基于特权理由指示她不回答，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：并非基于特权理由。\n\nLUFT先生：依据是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：与之前相同的依据，即她现已在记录中多次表达，对她在中国的家人及大家庭成员存在真实且确实的安全顾虑。\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，我已多次听到您在记录中如此表示。不是证人如此表示。\n\nVARTAN先生：那么，我们可以问她这件事。\n\nLUFT先生：我不问。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：撇开在您之前谁管理该大楼不谈，向您支付薪酬以运营盘古广场（Pangu Plaza）的家庭基金成员有哪些人？\n\n答：在我们的家庭基金中，有超过100名\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073 文件1529 提交日期03/09/23 录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00 第30页，共210页\n\n第30页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n家庭成员。\n\n问：是否有人负责该家庭基金？\n\n答：没有。由多人共同管理。\n\n问：这100人是否都有同等投票权，还是有人比其他人有更多发言权？\n\n答：对家庭基金作出较大贡献的人将有较大的发言权。\n\n问：谁对家庭基金作出了最大的贡献？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我认为目前是我。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您向家庭基金作出了多少贡献？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。如果您理解“贡献”的含义。\n\n答：我对贡献的理解是，从2016年开始，当时没有人管理盘古集团，我使该业务恢复了。从那时起的过去几年中，我作出了最大的贡献。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：这是金钱上的贡献，还是仅仅贡献了您的时间？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第31页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n答：两者都是。而且我赚了很多钱。\n\n问：您向家庭基金贡献了多少钱？\n\n答：我不具体记得，但自2016年以来，我通过盘古酒店（Pangu Hotel）和租金所赚取的金额创下了最高纪录。\n\n问：所以您是说该业务经营得很好？\n\n答：是，盘古集团的业务，对。\n\n问：就投入家庭基金的资金而言，谁作出了最大的个人贡献？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，形式。\n\n再次，如果您理解该问题，但是——\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，请停止您那些说明性异议。\n\n答：我不确定这个答案。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：您是否向家庭基金投入过任何资金，不是就您帮助公司赚取的收入而言，而是您是否向家庭基金投入过任何资金？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：没有。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第32页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您家中谁向家族基金投入的资金最多？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：我确实不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：为明确起见，除盘古大观（Pangu Plaza）外，家族基金还持有哪些其他资产？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：有盘古集团（Pangu Group）和Jung Chen Group（容成集团）。\n还有一个盘古集团和Zenith Group（顶峰集团）。\n口译员：拼写为Z-N-I-T-H。或者可能拼写为Z-E-N-I-T-H。我不太确定。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：除盘古大观外，这些实体中的任何一个还拥有哪些其他资产？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：我不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：除您本人外，您能否说出参与该家族基金的任何家庭成员的姓名？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 登记日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第33页，共210页\n\n第33页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，已问已答。\n答：我刚才已经回答过这个问题。我确实不想在这里提及我家庭成员的姓名。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：除您本人外，您是否知道参与该家族基金的任何家庭成员的姓名？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n答：我知道一些。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：有多少人？\n答：我记不起来。\n问：您不会告诉我他们的姓名吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：我只想说，在您愿意透露姓名且不会涉及安全方面顾虑的范围内，我当然不反对您透露姓名。\n答：我刚才提到了我父亲的第四、第五和第六个哥哥。我确实记不起他们的姓名。您可以查一下。然后还有我自己和我的哥哥。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 登记日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第34页，共210页\n\n第34页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n至于其他人，我确实想保护他们的隐私。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：所以您的哥哥参与该家族基金？\n答：是。\n问：但您的父亲参与该家族基金吗？\n答：没有。\n问：您母亲呢？\n答：没有。\n问：您的叔叔们是如何赚到使他们能够购买盘古大观的钱的？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：我不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：盘古大观是在何时购买的？\n答：我不知道。\n问：您知道使用了哪些资金，即资金来源——抱歉。\n您知道用于购买盘古大观的任何资金的来源吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，已问已答。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第35页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您如何从美国管理盘古大观？\n答：我每周与他们举行视频会议。我还授权我的经理负责管理，他们也定期向我发送表格。\n问：您与谁举行视频会议？\n瓦尔坦先生：再次说明，我要提出异议，这与我们在此的原因相去甚远。\n答：与现任部门经理。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您签署哪些表格？\n答：您是指目前吗？\n问：作为您经营盘古大观职责的一部分。\n答：近年来我没有签署任何表格。\n问：您以前接受过证言录取吗？\n答：没有。\n问：郭女士，您明白您是在宣誓后作证吗？\n\n第36页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：是，我明白。\n问：您今天是否有任何理由不能如实作证？\n答：没有。\n问：郭女士，我想向您提问。如果您因任何原因不理解我的问题，您会告诉我吗？\n答：会。\n问：郭女士，我们能否约定，在我向您提问而您没有告诉我您理解该问题有困难的情况下，我可以假定您确实理解我的问题？\n答：好的。\n问：郭女士，您为准备本次证言录取与谁交谈过？\n答：我的律师。\n问：是瓦尔坦先生和罗姆尼先生（Mr. Romney）吗？\n答：是。\n问：您是否与其他律师交谈过？\n答：没有。\n问：您是否与任何家庭成员交谈过？\n答：没有。\n问：您是否为准备本次证言录取审阅过任何文件？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 登记日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第37页，共210页\n\n第37页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：为准备本次证言录取？\n答：我确实与我的律师一起审阅过一些文件。\n问：这些文件中的任何一份是否唤起了您的记忆？\n答：我不太理解那是什么意思。\n问：您在查看这些文件时，其中任何一份是否帮助您想起此前没有记得的事情？\n答：是，有一些。\n问：是哪些文件？\n答：我现在记不起来。\n问：如果您在证言录取期间想起来，您会告诉我吗？\n答：好的。\n问：如果我向您出示一份曾唤起您记忆的文件之一，我是否也可以要求您告诉我？\n答：好的。\n问：盘古大观没有被中国政府查封？\n答：去年，他们把所有工作人员和我父系祖父赶到了街上。我记不清具体是哪个月份。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第39页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我不记得。\n问：您是否知道，与本诉讼有关的所有回应性文件是否均已提交给受托人？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：我不记得。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：郭女士，您最后就读的学校是什么？\n答：因为我上次在纽约作证时，我的信息被披露到网上，一些老师告诉我他们受到骚扰。因此，为保护他们，我不想说出学校名称。\n问：我们可以依据保护令将此标记。但我只需要知道，您最后就读的学校是什么？\n瓦尔坦先生：如果证人对其本人或其亲属有安全顾虑或安保顾虑，我指示她不要回答。\n答：我能否只是试着了解一下您所提到、所指的保护令是什么？\n瓦尔坦先生：我会在休息期间与她谈谈此事。\n\n第40页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您在学校取得的最高学位是什么？\n答：大学毕业。\n问：该学校位于何处？\n答：纽约。\n问：您毕业时获得何种学位？\n答：BA。\n问：您的专业是什么？\n答：导演。\n问：是电影学校吗？\n答：是。\n问：您是哪一年从电影学校毕业的？\n答：2012或'13。我想大概是2013。\n问：您在纽约上学多少年以取得该学位？\n核对口译员：她说的是“12，大概”。\n口译员：抱歉。更正：“是2012或2013。我想是2012。”\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您在获得学位之前上学多少年？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 登记日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第41页，共210页\n\n第41页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：在您获得学位之前？\n答：大学课程为四年，语言学校为一年。\n问：在这五年期间，您住在纽约吗？\n答：是。\n问：那么就是从2007年至2012年？\n答：是。\n问：在上大学之前，您执导过任何电影吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：没有。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您毕业时——您就读的学校是NYU（纽约大学）吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：不是。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您于2012年从电影学校毕业后，您留在纽约了吗？\n答：我确实留下来拍摄了几部电影，然后回到了中国。\n问：您毕业后、回中国前在纽约待了多久？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 登记日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第42页，共210页\n\n第42页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我记不起来。大概几个月。\n问：少于一年？\n答：我确实记不起来。\n问：好的。谁支付了电影学校的费用？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：我记不起来。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您是否为上电影学校而贷款？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：没有。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：她的父亲和母亲是否支付了她的大学费用？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：我不记得。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：所以，为了让我理解，在去电影学校之前，您住在哪里？\n答：我在好几套公寓里学习，全部都在纽约。\n问：我的问题不清楚。\n在您去电影学校之前，也就是2007年之前，您住在哪个国家？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 登记日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第43页，共210页\n\n第43页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我在中国。有时在香港。\n问：当时您的家人在中国和香港都有住所吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：在中国有。但在香港没有。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：在2007年离开去电影学校之前，您在香港时住在哪里？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式。\n答：酒店。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：然后，当您来到——那么从2007年至2012年，您住在纽约？\n答：是。\n问：您离开纽约时，去了哪里？\n答：我旅行了一段时间，然后回到北京。\n问：您旅行了多久？\n答：我记不起来。\n问：多久——您何时又开始住在北京？\n答：从2014年至2017年期间，我一直在北京。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第44页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：那么，从2014年至2017年，您从未在Hong Kong（香港）居住过？\n\n答：从未。\n\n问：好的。2014年之前，除酒店外，您是否曾在香港居住过？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您住在哪里？\n\n答：住在我朋友那里。\n\n问：是哪位朋友？\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦）：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：香港的朋友。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特）询问：\n\n问：您居住时——您2017年来的时候，您住在哪里？\n\n答：酒店。\n\n问：您2017年来New York（纽约）时，搬进了一家酒店？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：是Sherry-Netherland hotel（谢里-尼德兰酒店）吗？\n\n答：不是。我只在那里住了几天。\n\n问：您现在居住在谢里-尼德兰酒店吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交于03/09/23，录入于03/09/23 12:00:00，第45页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第45页\n\n问：您是否曾居住在谢里-尼德兰酒店？\n\n答：几年前，是的。\n\n问：是什么时候？\n\n答：就是我2017年刚来这里时。\n\n问：您哥哥居住在谢里-尼德兰酒店吗？\n\n答：他在那里住过几次。\n\n问：他什么时候住在那里？\n\n答：他2017年和2018年住过。大概就是这些。我确实记不清了。\n\n问：您父亲居住在谢里-尼德兰酒店吗？\n\n答：是，有时住。\n\n问：他现在住在那里吗？\n\n答：您的意思是今天吗？\n\n问：是。\n\n答：我确实不知道。\n\n问：过去六个月内呢？\n\n答：我想他可能偶尔住，但我确实不知道。\n\n问：您父亲不住在谢里-尼德兰酒店时住在哪里？\n\n答：Connecticut（康涅狄格州）。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交于03/09/23，录入于03/09/23 12:00:00，第46页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第46页\n\n问：好的。您具有哪些国家的国籍？\n\n答：我有香港护照。\n\n问：如果您从未作为居民在香港居住过，您怎么会有香港护照？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：因为我的父母是香港居民。因此，子女会自动获得香港护照。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：与您护照关联的香港地址是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您具有中国国籍吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：目前没有。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您是否曾居住在香港20 South Bay Road？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交于03/09/23，录入于03/09/23 12:00:00，第47页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第47页\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您持有中国护照吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，已问已答。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您作为Pangu Plaza（盘古大观）首席执行官所赚取的款项，如何转给您？\n\n答：会支付到我的主要工资卡中。\n\n问：什么是工资卡？\n\n答：在中国，每个工作的人都会有一张卡，公司会直接将款项支付到该卡中。它与这里的直接存款或类似方式大致相同。\n\n这是我的个人卡。我们都有一张。\n\n问：自您于2017年来到这个国家以来，盘古大观的工资如何支付给您？\n\n答：同一张工资卡。\n\n问：您在美国能够使用该工资卡中的款项吗？\n\n答：能。Bank of China（中国银行）在这里有分行。\n\n问：而且您在中国银行有账户吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第48页\n\n答：有。\n\n问：您父亲在中国银行有账户吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您哥哥在中国银行有账户吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：我问过20 South Bay Road。您是否曾居住在香港22 South Bay Road？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：在您父亲——您父亲何时离开中国？\n\nVARTAN先生：是指永久离开吗？\n\n答：他于2014年离开北京，但具体何时离开香港，我不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第49页\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：在他离开北京之前，您父亲靠什么赚钱？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您父亲曾称自己在离开中国前是一名亿万富翁。在离开中国前，他靠什么赚得十亿美元？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您家中有人是亿万富翁吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您家中有人是百万富翁吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您是百万富翁吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我目前不是。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交于03/09/23，录入于03/09/23 12:00:00，第50页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第50页\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您哥哥是百万富翁吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：好的。您哥哥从事什么工作？\n\n答：我哥哥在许多领域、许多方面进行投资，也协助家族企业。\n\n问：您哥哥用于投资的资金来源是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您哥哥投资哪些公司？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您哥哥投资哪些家庭成员的资金？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交于03/09/23，录入于03/09/23 12:00:00，第51页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第51页\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您哥哥住在哪里？\n\n答：London（伦敦）。\n\n问：什么地址？\n\n答：我确实不记得。\n\n问：您哥哥控制哪些公司？\n\nVARTAN先生：对“控制”一词提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您知道您哥哥拥有的任何公司吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您哥哥上过大学吗？\n\n答：上过。\n\n问：他在哪里上的？\n\n答：我不记得名称。是英国一所经济学专业排名最高的大学。\n\n问：您知道他何时毕业吗？\n\n答：我知道他近几年还读过硕士课程，但我不确定确切年份。\n\n问：您在United States（美国）还有其他家人吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交于03/09/23，录入于03/09/23 12:00:00，第52页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第52页\n\n答：我的父母。\n\n问：除您哥哥外，您在UK（英国）还有其他家人吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您最后一次见到您哥哥是什么时候？\n\n答：两年前。大约是两三年前。我不记得。\n\n问：自您从2017年起一直在美国以来，您哥哥从英国来探望过多少次？\n\n答：可能每年仅一次，最多每年两次。\n\nVARTAN先生：Luft先生，我们快进行一个半小时了，所以证人方便休息时，我将不胜感激。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：但在过去几年里，他没有进行那些行程？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您记得他最后一次来美国探望是什么时候吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交于03/09/23，录入于03/09/23 12:00:00，第53页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第53页\n\n答：大约是两三年前。\n\nLUFT先生：我们现在可以休息。\n\nVARTAN先生：好的。谢谢。\n\n录像员：请注意。\n\n现在时间是下午12:01。我们暂停记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现在时间是下午12:24。我们恢复记录。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，就我们之前讨论的内容，我有一个简短的后续问题。您说您与盘古大观的一名经理共事。\n\n他叫什么名字？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：不是只有一名经理，而是部门经理。有六七名。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：他们叫什么名字？\n\n答：我不记得。我不按名字称呼他们。\n\n问：您怎么称呼他们？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我只说“大家好”。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：既然过去一年人们一直被锁在大楼外，您是否——在那段期间，盘古大观是否产生过任何资金？\n\n答：没有。钱也被锁在里面。\n\n问：您提到您在纽约的中国银行有一个个人银行账户；对吗？\n\n答：该账户是在中国开立的，但我也可以在纽约使用。\n\n问：除中国银行外，您是否还在其他银行持有个人银行账户？\n\nVARTAN先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：最近，我在美国已有五到六个银行账户被锁定。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您说您在美国有五到六个银行账户被锁定，是什么意思？\n\n答：就是我每当在任何银行开立账户并使用一段时间后，该账户就会被锁定。\n\n最近一个是在上次被锁定的。\n\n第55页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n答：……周，而且我还没有机会再办一张。\n\n问：是哪家银行？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：Chase（摩根大通）、Bank of America（美国银行）、Citibank（花旗银行）、First Republic（第一共和银行）——哦，不，我记不起来了——是的，第一共和银行。\n\n答：这些是我目前能记得的。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：这些银行中是否有任何一家向你解释过你的银行账户为何被锁定？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：完全没有。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：有人告诉我——正确的翻译是“关闭”，而不是“锁定”，对吗？\n\n答：对。所以他们取消了我的账号，并告诉我他们永远不会与我建立业务关系。\n\n问：除告诉你他们永远不会与你建立业务关系外，这些银行中是否有任何一家就其为何不会与你建立业务关系向你作出进一步解释？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第56页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：没有。我问过，他们只是告诉我这不由他们决定。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你是合法所有人——我撤回该问题。\n\n问：你熟悉一个名为Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国）的实体吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：你主张你是该实体的所有人，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Hong Kong International USA没有银行账户，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：除Hong Kong International USA外，是否还有任何其他你主张拥有的实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：有。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：该实体的名称是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我现在记不起来了。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交于03/09/23 录入于03/09/23 12:00:00 第57页，共210页\n\n第57页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你能否——是否不止一个实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：是，可能是。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：好的。你记得你拥有的这些实体的哪些情况？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我现在确实记不起来了。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你是该实体的合法所有人吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n我想我只是要求澄清一下，你指的是哪个实体？\n\n答：我的问题是哪个实体。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：我问过你，除Hong Kong International USA外，是否有你拥有的其他实体。你告诉我有，但你不记得名称。\n\n问：因此，我是在问你所称由你拥有、但并非Hong Kong International USA的那个实体。\n\nVARTAN先生：她说有多个——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第58页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n实体。\n\nLUFT先生：不，她没有。她说她记不起来了。可能有。\n\nVARTAN先生：我认为这个问题令人困惑。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。坦白说，如果你想接下来接受讯问，请告诉我，我会——但现在我只打算和Guo女士谈，好吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：我乐意——我乐意接受讯问。\n\nLUFT先生：我相信你乐意。\n\nVARTAN先生：我乐意接受讯问。他欢迎现在就讯问我。\n\nLUFT先生：你已经作证一整天了。我相信你确实乐意。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：Guo女士，我是在问你刚才所指的任何实体。因此，让我们澄清一下。\n\n问：除Hong Kong USA外，你作为所有人的实体是否不止一个？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：所以你的意思是，你是在问我有多少个？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第59页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：就从这个问题开始。除Hong Kong USA外，你主张拥有多少个实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我此前确实不知道，但最近我无意中听到你的同事Luc威胁我父亲，说我有九家公司。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你在哪里无意中听到Despins先生？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n口译员：这个名字？\n\nLUFT先生：D-E-S-P-I-N-S。\n\nVARTAN先生：而且我只想说，这——\n\nLUFT先生：律师，请停止干扰。\n\nVARTAN先生：我需要提出异议。\n\n如果你是从律师那里得知这些谈话，那么我要求你不要谈论与律师的谈话。\n\n答：我不记得确切是什么时候。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交于03/09/23 录入于03/09/23 12:00:00 第60页，共210页\n\n第60页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你是否曾参加过任何听证会？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是否曾与Despins先生在同一房间内？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是否曾与Despins先生通电话？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：事实上，你从未听到Despins先生对你父亲说过任何话，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：对。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：撇开任何人可能告诉你的Despins先生可能说过或没有说过的话，据你所知，除Hong Kong International USA外，你认为你拥有多少个实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你控制这些实体吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交于03/09/23 录入于03/09/23 12:00:00 第61页，共210页\n\n第61页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：它们的名称是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我现在记不起来了。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：它们从事什么业务？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：据我所知，目前没有业务。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：它们位于何处？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：你指的是公司的所在地吗？\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：嗯。\n\n答：目前，这些公司没有实际地址。\n\n问：这些公司中是否有任何一家有雇员？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：这些实体中是否有任何一个拥有资产？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交于03/09/23 录入于03/09/23 12:00:00 第62页，共210页\n\n第62页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我的游艇。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：除Hong Kong International USA外，你声称拥有的任何实体是否拥有任何资产？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：只有我的游艇。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：这是否为由Hong Kong International USA以外的任何实体持有的一项资产？\n\n答：你指的是游艇，我的游艇？\n\n问：我问的是，除Hong Kong International USA外，你拥有和控制的其他任何实体是否在Lady May（梅夫人号）中拥有权益？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：那么，可以说——我撤回该问题。\n\n问：你是否设立了你拥有和控制的这些其他实体——\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：——除Hong Kong International USA外？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：它们不是由我设立的。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交于03/09/23 录入于03/09/23 12:00:00 第63页，共210页\n\n第63页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：它们是由谁设立的？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你是如何取得这些实体的？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：它们被转让给了我。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：谁将这些实体转让给了你？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：管理家族基金的人。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：哪些人？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得确切的人。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你能记得任何将你现在拥有的其中一家公司转让给你的人吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：是。HKI。这家公司是Qu女士转让给我的。\n\n口译员：拼写为Q-U。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第64页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：除Hong Kong International外，你能否说出任何将你声称拥有的其中一个实体转让给你的人？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：为什么——除Hong Kong International外——你声称拥有的任何这些实体会被转让给你？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：这样我可以帮助管理公司。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：这些公司中是否有任何一家有业务运营？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：目前没有。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：从她持有它们以来，它们是否曾有过业务运营？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：还没有。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：那么，如果它们没有业务运营，你做什么来管理它们？\n\n案号22-50073 文件1529 提交于03/09/23 录入于03/09/23 12:00:00 第65页，共210页\n\n第65页 M. Guo（郭文贵）\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：什么也不做。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：为明确起见，这些实体中是否有——嗯，你告诉我Hong Kong International没有银行账户。\n\n问：你声称拥有的这些其他实体中是否有任何一个有银行账户？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：你是否记得它们中任何一个是否拥有任何资产？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：好的。除Hong Kong International外，谁作出决定，将你声称拥有的那些实体转让给你？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：家族基金的人。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：哪些人？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭）\n\n答：当时，这是经与所有人协商后作出的决定。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：具体而言，是哪些人作出决定，将这些没有资产和经营活动的公司转让给您所有？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n口译员：口译员能否向证人澄清是单数还是复数？\n\nLUFT 律师：当然。\n\n答：我的叔叔们，还有我本人。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：哪些叔叔？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：当时，是我父亲的第五个和第六个哥哥。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：这些就是您不知道姓名的同一批叔叔吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：他们为什么设立这些公司？\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 67 页，共 210 页\n\n第 67 页 M. Guo（郭）\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您说您曾与他们讨论过。这些公司为何被转让至您名下？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，已问已答。\n\n答：具体原因是，2017 年我回到了美国。因此，与他们相比，我的人身安全更有保障。所以决定先将它们转让给我。\n\n此外，因为当时我在管理 Pangu Plaza（盘古大观），而这是我作为家族基金一部分的责任。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您知道这些公司是在哪个国家注册成立的吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：可能是香港。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您拥有任何汽车吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n口译员：抱歉，我没有听懂。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 68 页，共 210 页\n\n第 68 页 M. Guo（郭）\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您拥有任何汽车吗？\n\n答：没有。我不会开车。\n\n问：您控制的任何实体是否有以其名义登记的汽车？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：家族基金是否控制任何位于美国的汽车？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您控制的任何公司是否将飞机作为资产？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：有过。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您控制的哪些公司曾将飞机作为资产？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得名称。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 69 页 M. Guo（郭）\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：它们何时将该飞机作为资产持有？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我想可能是在 2017 年或 2018 年。我不记得确切日期。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那架飞机后来怎么样了？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我们实际上并未经常使用它，而且很难管理。因此我们把它放在市场上出售了很多年。最终卖掉了。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：该飞机何时出售？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：是去年夏天，而且它已在市场上出售多年。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那么是刚过去的夏天？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：当您说“我们卖掉了它”时，“我们”是指谁？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 70 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭） 第 70 页\n\n答：那将是口译员引入的一个词。我并没有具体说“我们”。口译员说的是“我们”。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：好的。那么，谁作出了在 2022 年夏天出售该飞机的决定？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您是在 2022 年夏天的何时出售该飞机的？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您把该飞机卖给了谁？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得我卖给的那一方的名称。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您以多少钱出售该飞机？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我想超过 10 million。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那些资金后来怎么样了？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 71 页，共 210 页\n\n第 71 页 M. Guo（郭）\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我哥哥帮我照管这些资金。我不知道具体情况。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您哥哥如何帮您照管这些资金？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：他如何照管？我不确定我是否理解这是什么意思。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：嗯，您说您哥哥帮您照管这些资金。因此我想了解；他做了什么？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：他帮我就价格进行谈判，然后将其出售。就是这样。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：而一旦您将其出售，那 $10 million 资金去了哪里？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：现在在某个第三方那里。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：哪个第三方持有出售飞机所得的 $10 million？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 72 页，共 210 页\n\n第 72 页 M. Guo（郭）\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您不知道出售一架由您拥有的公司控制的飞机所收到的 $10 million 在哪里？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，已问已答。\n\n答：我刚才提到在一个第三方那里。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：哪个第三方？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：如果您想取得那 $10 million，鉴于您不知道持有该款项的第三方名称，您会如何找到它？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我会问我哥哥。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：所以，您不知道现在是谁持有那 $10 million？\n\nVARTAN 律师：已问已答。\n\n答：我只是不记得他们的名称。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 73 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭） 第 73 页\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：是个人还是公司？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那 $10 million 的所有人是谁？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那 $10 million 是否有可能——撤回。\n\n出售是在何地完成的？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那是什么类型的飞机？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：就具体型号而言，我想可能是 747。它相当大。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：这是您曾与家人乘坐旅行过的飞机吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：是。我小时候在中国时，曾与家人乘坐它旅行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 74 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭） 第 74 页\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那时您多大？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我是青少年。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：那么这架飞机有多大年头？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我想大概是 15 年。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：而您不记得在今年夏天出售之前，是您的哪个实体持有该飞机——\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：——在今年夏天出售之前？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得全名。我想可能是 Whitcraft（Whitcraft）。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您最后一次乘坐该飞机是什么时候？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭） 第 75 页\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：您父亲最后一次乘坐该飞机是什么时候？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：我也不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：好的。Hong Kong International USA（Hong Kong International USA）是否申报纳税？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：它在哪里申报纳税？\n\n答：在纽约。我不确定。\n\n问：您是否有那些纳税申报表的副本？\n\n答：目前没有。\n\n问：谁持有那些纳税申报表的副本？\n\n答：为我办理税务的人。\n\n问：而当您在香港时，您是否申报——Hong Kong International（Hong Kong International）是否申报纳税？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您知道为什么 Vartan 先生会写信给 O'Melveny & Myers（O'Melveny & Myers）并告诉他们 Hong Kong International 不申报纳税吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\n答：我现在实际上有点困惑。\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 76 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭）\n\n答：我们现在谈的是 Hong Kong International，对吗？\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：不，是 Hong Kong International USA。您知道为什么 Vartan 先生会在 2021 年告诉 O'Melveny & Myers，Hong Kong International USA 不申报纳税吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\n答：这是因为这家公司现在没有任何利润。\n\n我想我刚才自己可能弄错了，因为我确实不记得有关税务的细节。\n\nLUFT 律师：\n\n问：当您说您弄错了，您是什么意思？Hong Kong International USA 是否申报纳税？\n\n答：我不——我确实不确定。\n\n问：好的。您主张 Lady May（Lady May）是作为礼物赠与您的，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否在任何国家将其作为礼物申报纳税？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议，形式。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1529，提交于 03/09/23，录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 77 页，共 210 页\n\n第77页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n再次说明，如果这涉及律师提供的意见或与律师的谈话，您不得披露。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：您不知道自己是否申报过——让我说得非常清楚。\n\n您是否曾为您本人或 Hong Kong International（香港国际）在 United States（美国）申报税款之目的，将 Lady May（“Lady May”号）申报为赠与？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。仍作同样提示，即如果这涉及——\n\n拉夫特先生：这是一个只需回答“是”或“否”的问题，律师。这些做法完全不当。\n\n律师，问她是否在其税务申报中作出申报，只需回答“是”或“否”，不存在特权问题。对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：如果她受到其律师指示去做某件事——\n\n拉夫特先生：不。我不是在问她得到了什么意见。我是在问“是”或“否”，某件事是否发生过。\n\n律师，这不当。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 78 of 210\n\n第78页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我有权提出异议。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：请继续，郭女士。请回答问题。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您是否曾为在 Hong Kong（香港）申报税款之目的，将 Lady May（“Lady May”号）申报为赠与？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：同样异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：据您所知，是否有任何国家，您曾为在该国申报税款之目的，将 Lady May（“Lady May”号）申报为赠与？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：同样异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：好的。您是否认识一名叫 Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）的女士？\n\n答：是，我认识她。\n\n问：王女士是谁？\n\n答：她是我的朋友，也曾在我哥哥的公司工作。\n\n问：是哪家公司？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第79页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n（进行了庭外讨论。）\n\n口译员：口译员更正一下。证人说的是“她为我哥哥工作”。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：王女士为您哥哥做什么工作？\n\n答：她在我哥哥的家族基金办公室工作。\n\n问：您哥哥的家族基金办公室叫什么名称？\n\n答：Golden Spring, New York（纽约金泉）。\n\n问：她现在还在那里工作吗？\n\n答：不在。\n\n问：她现在在哪里工作？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：她何时停止在那里工作？\n\n答：我不知道确切时间。\n\n问：您最好的估计是什么？\n\n答：去年。\n\n问：是在您父亲宣布破产之前还是之后？\n\n答：我认为是在之后。\n\n问：王女士是在您父亲宣布破产后多久离开 Golden Spring 的工作岗位的？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 80 of 210\n\n第80页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您知道王女士的电话号码吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：您知道王女士住在哪里吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：如果您必须给她寄一封信，您会寄到什么地址？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不给她写信。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：您有她的电子邮件地址吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：除王女士外，还有谁在 Golden Spring 工作？\n\n答：很多人。我不知道他们的名字。\n\n问：除王女士外，您知道还有谁曾在 Golden Spring 工作吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 81 of 210\n\n第81页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：您最后一次见到王女士是什么时候？\n\n答：上个月。\n\n现在是一月，对吗？已经过去一两个月了。\n\n问：您在哪里见到王女士？\n\n答：在 Connecticut（康涅狄格州）。\n\n问：在您父母家里？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您认为王女士诚实吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：是。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：诚实可靠吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n我确实不明白，您知道，这些问题。\n\n拉夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生——\n\n瓦尔坦先生：现在这些问题已经完全偏离主题——我的意思是，我们整天都在偏离主题，但尤其是这些问题，完全超出界限。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：您可以回答。\n\n答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第82页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：如果王女士称她曾工作过的一家实体实际上由 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）控制，您是否有任何理由相信她没有说实话？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：她何时说过这话，又是在何处说的？\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：我只是问您，如果她作出陈述称她曾工作过的一家实体实际上由您父亲控制，您是否有任何理由相信她没有说实话？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。如果您有想与证人分享的该陈述副本，请便。但这些，您知道，是不公平的问题。您是在提出一个又一个假设性问题。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：您可以回答。\n\n答：我想看一下那份文件。\n\n问：我只是在问您一个问题。\n\n如果那是她所说的，您是否有任何理由相信她没有说实话？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。她已经回答了\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第83页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n您的问题。\n\n答：我没有看过这个东西，也不知道她是否确实说过那样的话。我不能真正说她是否没有说实话。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：您认识一个名叫 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）的人吗？\n\n答：是，我认识。\n\n问：克拉斯纳先生是谁？\n\n答：在我哥哥的公司 Golden Spring 工作的人。\n\n问：抱歉。让我往回问一下。\n\n王女士是否曾为您或您的任何一家公司工作？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否曾授权王女士代表您或您的任何一家公司采取行动？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：克拉斯纳先生在 Golden Spring 做什么工作？\n\n答：我不确定具体情况。可能是管理工作。\n\n问：克拉斯纳先生现在还在 Golden Spring 工作吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 84 of 210\n\n第84页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：不在。\n\n问：克拉斯纳先生何时停止在 Golden Spring 工作？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您最好的记忆是什么？\n\n答：也是去年。\n\n问：是在您父亲宣布破产之前还是之后？\n\n答：之后。\n\n问：您知道克拉斯纳先生现在在哪里工作吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您最后一次与克拉斯纳先生交谈是什么时候？\n\n答：去年。\n\n问：您是否曾就 Hong Kong International（香港国际）与克拉斯纳先生交谈？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您是否曾就 Hong Kong International（香港国际）与王女士交谈？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您认识一个叫 Fiona Yu（菲奥娜·余）的人吗？\n\n答：听起来很熟悉，但我不记得了。\n\n问：Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）呢？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 85 of 210\n\n第85页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我认为此人可能也是 Golden Spring 的一名雇员。\n\n问：您是否曾与波德哈斯基先生有任何业务往来？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您是否曾——您是否曾就 Hong Kong International（香港国际）与波德哈斯基先生交谈？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：波德哈斯基先生目前在 Golden Spring 工作吗？\n\n答：不在。\n\n问：您是否曾与王女士有任何业务往来？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您最后一次与波德哈斯基先生交谈是什么时候？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：Aaron Mitchell（阿伦·米切尔）是谁？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：米切尔先生何时开始担任您的律师？\n\n答：已经很多年了。\n\n问：他最初何时开始担任您的律师？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 86 of 210\n\n第86页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您为什么聘请米切尔先生？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：因为我需要米切尔先生。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：您是否知道米切尔先生也是您父亲的律师？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：米切尔先生目前是您的律师吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：在 PAX 与您父亲之间的 PAX 诉讼期间，米切尔先生是您的律师吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您认识 Melissa Francis（梅利莎·弗朗西斯）吗？\n\n答：不认识。\n\n问：您是否曾通过 Golden Spring 与弗朗西斯女士有任何往来？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n她刚刚说过她不认识梅利莎·弗朗西斯。\n\n答：没有。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：如果我告诉您弗朗西斯女士是 Golden Spring 的总法律顾问，这会唤起您的记忆吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 87 of 210\n\n第87页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：好的。我们将把我相信您会告诉我的是您就 Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund v. Ho Wan Kwok, Genever Holdings, and Genever Holdings Corporation（Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund诉Ho Wan Kwok、Genever Holdings及Genever Holdings Corporation案）诉讼向 State Supreme Court of the State of New York（纽约州最高法院）提交的宣誓书副本，标记为 Mei Guo Deposition Exhibit 1（郭美证言证物1）。\n\n（Mei Guo Exhibit 1 已于本日收取并标记以供识别。）\n\n答：（证人审阅文件。）\n\n拉夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：如果我们翻到第5页，共6页，那是您的签名吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您在这份提交给纽约州最高法院的宣誓书中所写的一切是否真实且\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG记录——全球服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第88页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：准确吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：今天坐在这里，您是否想对这份宣誓书作任何修改？\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦）：如果您需要通读全文，显然，您有这个能力。\n\n答：让我看一下。\n\n（证人审阅文件。）\n\n我看完了。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特）问：\n\n问：现在您已重新阅读整份宣誓书，其中是否有任何您认为不准确之处？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：其中是否有任何您希望修改之处？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：如果您因本诉讼而被传唤在听证会上作证，您是否会作出与您在本宣誓书中所载相同的证言？\n\n答：会，我会。\n\n问：除本宣誓书所载内容外，如果您在本次听证会上被传唤作为证人，今天坐在这里，您是否还有其他打算在破产法院曼宁法官（Judge Manning）面前的听证会上作证的内容？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第89页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。她怎么可能回答这个问题？\n\n答：我不太理解这个问题。\n\n这是否意味着，如果我在法院作证，我是否会说出我今天在这里所说的同样内容？\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：也许我换一种方式问。\n\n在撰写您提交给纽约州最高法院（Supreme Court of the State of New York）的这份声明时，您是否打算纳入您认为法院应当知悉的、有关HK International USA（美国HK国际）以及您就Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）主张所有权的全部相关事实？\n\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：今天坐在这里，您是否知悉任何其他您认为破产法院应当知悉的、有关HK International USA以及您关于HK International USA是Lady May所有人的主张的事实？\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交日期03/09/23，录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00，第90页，共210页\n\n第90页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。她怎么可能回答这个问题？\n\n如果您有具体问题——\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，停下。\n\nVARTAN先生：我的意思是，这不是一个允许提出的问题。\n\nLUFT先生：这完全是一个允许提出的问题。我厌倦了你浪费时间。\n\nVARTAN先生：我没有浪费任何时间。这是一个不可能回答的问题。你是在要求她从时间开始之初——\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生？不是。我说的是“今天坐在这里”。\n\n请听我的问题。不要打断。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：Guo女士，请回答我的问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：我看不出她怎么可能回答那个问题。我不知道任何人怎么能回答。但是如果您能——\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，我们是否必须去法院？我厌倦了每次我提问之前，你都对证人说“那不是一个你可能回答得了的问题。”\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交日期03/09/23，录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00，第91页，共210页\n\n第91页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN先生：我不知道任何人——我甚至都无法回答那个问题。\n\nLUFT先生：嗯，猜怎么着？你不了解任何事实，所以这并不令我惊讶。今天接受询问的不是你。她才是事实证人。\n\n请让她在不受你干扰的情况下回答问题。\n\n答：我不太确定这个问题是什么意思。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您的律师已将您列为即将举行的PJR听证会的证人。\n\n您知道这件事吗？\n\n答：知道。\n\n问：您是否打算在PJR听证会上，就您提起的诉讼以及针对受托人提出的反诉作证？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：除您在标记为Mei Guo（郭美）询问证物1、即您的宣誓书中所陈述的事实外，您是否还有其他打算在PJR听证会上向破产法院作为积极证言提出的事实？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交日期03/09/23，录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00，第92页，共210页\n\n第92页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN先生：对该问题的形式提出异议。\n\n答：目前没有。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：我将我相信您会告诉我是2022年2月2日在PAX v. Genever Holdings（PAX诉Genever Holdings）诉讼中、Ostrager法官（Justice Ostrager）面前举行的听证会记录副本，标记为Mei Guo询问证物2。\n\n（截至本日，Mei Guo证物2已被接收并标记以供识别。）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：Guo女士，您出席了这次听证会，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否全程出席了听证会？\n\n答：并非全程。只是在需要我时出席。\n\n问：Vartan先生在那次听证会上代理您吗？\n\n答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交日期03/09/23，录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00，第93页，共210页\n\n第93页 M. Guo\n\n问：您知道Vartan先生代表Hong Kong International（香港国际）出庭，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Vartan先生在听证会上将您作为证人提出吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Vartan先生在听证会上还代表Hong Kong International提出了其他证人，对吗？\n\n答：我不太记得。\n\n问：您是否记得Vartan先生也在听证会上代理您？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否记得一个名叫Russell Stockil（拉塞尔·斯托基尔）的人？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：Stockil先生是谁？\n\n答：我游艇管理公司中负责的人。\n\n问：您是否记得Vartan先生在听证会上将Stockil先生作为证人提出？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：请您翻到听证会记录第76页。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交日期03/09/23，录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00，第94页，共210页\n\n第94页 M. Guo\n\n具体而言，请看第9至12行。\n\n您看到对Stockil先生提出的问题了吗：\n\n“您在第3段中提到的代表，即曾联系您的HK USA代表，其中没有一人是Mei Guo，对吗？”\n\n“是的，正确。”\n\n您看到了该证言吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：有任何理由认为Stockil先生的证言不真实或不准确吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您知道哪位HK USA代表代表HK USA联系了Stockil先生吗？\n\n答：我认为有一位叫Max（马克斯）的人。是否还有其他人，我不知道。\n\n问：您所指的是Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：那么，Max Krasner是就Lady May联系Stockil先生的人吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第95页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n您是在问该证言，还是泛指一般情况？\n\n答：这里写的是“代表”。所以我认为可能有几个人，但我不太记得具体是谁。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：除Krasner先生外，您是否记得还有任何获授权就Lady May与Stockil先生交谈的人？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：如果您翻到第78页，您会看到第20行对Stockil先生的提问：\n\n“您也从未见过或与她交谈过，”这里指Mei Guo，“对吗？”\n\n“是的，正确。”\n\nStockil先生关于您从未见过或与他交谈过的证言准确吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：截至该日期，还是直到现在？\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：我们先从截至该日期开始。\n\n答：是。\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交日期03/09/23，录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00，第96页，共210页\n\n第96页 M. Guo\n\n问：您曾与Stockil先生交谈过吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您能看一下该页底部吗。\n\n从第25行开始，内容如下：\n\n“关于Lady May航行的所有指示，均由Guo女士通过其代表发出。那是否意味着，关于Lady May航行的任何指示均非直接由Guo女士发出？”\n\n“答：不，不是直接对我们发出。它们是通过家族办公室发出的，正确。”\n\n然后他将其确定为Golden Spring（金泉）。\n\n您是否同意，关于Lady May航行的任何指示均非由您直接向Stockil先生及其公司发出的，这一证言是真实的？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我同意。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您是否看到第——\n\nSONG女士（宋）：您问的是那是否为真实证言，但口译员问的是她是否同意，即Guo女士是否同意这一点。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号22-50073，文件1529，提交日期03/09/23，录入日期03/09/23 12:00:00，第97页，共210页\n\n第97页 M. Guo\n\nLUFT先生：没关系。我不作区分。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：好的。您是否看到第79页第16行：\n\n“VARTAN先生：法官阁下，我们接下来传唤Momchil Ivanov（莫姆奇尔·伊万诺夫）。”\n\n您知道Ivanov先生是谁吗？\n\n答：当时的船长。\n\n问：如果您翻到第81页，请看第17行。对Ivanov先生的问题是：\n\n“我只是想查明您是否曾见过或与Mei Guo女士交谈过。”\n\n“答：没有直接见过或交谈过，先生。”\n\n有任何理由认为Ivanov先生的证言不真实或不准确吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不太确定。也许是所用语言存在问题。因为这里说我们没有交谈过，但据我记得，我们曾互相发送消息。\n\n第98页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：伊万诺夫先生（Mr. Ivanov，伊万诺夫）说他从未见过您。他作出该证言时，这是真的吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：是，截至作证时，您从未见过伊万诺夫先生；对吗？\n\n答：对。我们从未见过面。\n\n问：截至目前，您是否见过伊万诺夫先生？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：伊万诺夫先生何时不再担任Lady May（“五月女士”号游艇）的船长？\n\n答：我认为可能是在疫情期间。在那段时间，他只在欧洲担任船长。所以我从未见过他。\n\n问：您不记得Lady May的船长何日离职吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：那么，您会同意伊万诺夫先生所说，他从未直接从您那里收到命令或指示吗？\n\n瓦尔坦律师（MR. VARTAN，瓦尔坦）：卢夫特律师，您在读哪一部分？\n\n卢夫特律师：第22至24行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 99 of 210\n\n第99页 M. Guo\n\n瓦尔坦律师：谢谢。\n\n答：我同意。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：您是否见过——您知道Craig Heaslop（克雷格·希斯洛普）是谁吗？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：Heaslop，H-E-A-S-L-O-P。\n\n答：知道。他是在我的游艇上工作时间最长的船长。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：瓦尔坦律师也在听证会上将他作为证人传唤出庭，对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。我不确定细节。\n\n问：请翻到第83页。\n\n您看到有一句写着：\n\n“瓦尔坦律师：法官大人，被告将传唤Craig Heaslop出庭作证”吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：瓦尔坦律师在此所指的被告是您的父亲，对吗？\n\n答：等一下。在哪一行？\n\n问：第1至2行，您也可以读到第6行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第100页 M. Guo\n\n答：好的。\n\n您能否重复一下问题？\n\n问：当然。\n\n当瓦尔坦律师说“法官大人，被告将传唤Craig Heaslop出庭作证”时，他所指的被告是您的父亲，对吗？\n\n答：我有点困惑。我不确定。\n\n问：HK International（香港国际公司）是本案诉讼的被告吗？\n\n答：这是去年的，对吗？\n\n问：是。这是2022年2月2日PAX（PAX）针对您的父亲、Genever Holdings Corp.（Genever Holdings公司）及Genever Holdings LLC（Genever Holdings有限责任公司）提起的诉讼。\n\n答：所以您是在问我们是否是被告，对吗？我的意思是，当我说“我们”时，我指的是HKI。\n\n问：我的问题是，瓦尔坦律师说被告将传唤Craig Heaslop，我只是想确认，您的理解是他所指的被告是您的父亲Kwok先生（郭先生），对吗？\n\n答：我不确定法律用语。\n\n问：当然。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 101 of 210\n\n第101页 M. Guo\n\n问：瓦尔坦律师是您父亲在本次审判中的代理律师吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：他代理您和Hong Kong International（香港国际公司），对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您认识Heaslop先生吗？\n\n答：认识。\n\n问：您知道他是诚实的吗？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：异议。\n\n答：据我所知，是的。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：我想请您看一下证言，请翻到第87页。\n\n答：（证人照做。）\n\n问：从第21行开始。\n\nHeaslop先生是该船的船长，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您看到第21行，证人就Kwok先生说：\n\n“他像往常一样，整个夏天不时在游艇上。具体日期我无法告诉您。”\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 102 of 210\n\n第102页 M. Guo\n\n实际上，请将那部分删除。让我们从第17行开始，以便了解上下文。\n\n“法庭：在2020年10月之前，您记得Kwok先生最后一次在游艇上是什么时候？”\n\n“证人：在2020年10月之前？”\n\n“法庭：是。”\n\n“证人：他像往常一样，整个夏天不时在游艇上。对于他们何时来、何时离开，事后我无法告诉您具体日期。”\n\n“法庭：他在7月份有相当一部分时间在游艇上吗？”\n\n“证人：那是COVID期间。是的，他在。”\n\n您是否有任何理由认为，Heaslop先生就您——您父亲在2020年7月期间在Lady May上的频率所作的证言，在任何方面不准确？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：异议。\n\n答：准确。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 103 of 210\n\n第103页 M. Guo\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：法庭接着说：\n\n“2020年8月期间呢？”\n\n“证人：是。”\n\n“法庭：2020年9月期间呢？”\n\n“证人：我相信是的。”\n\n同样是在问您的父亲在该月是否有相当一部分时间在Lady May上。\n\n您是否有任何理由认为，Heaslop先生就8月和9月所作的证言不准确？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：异议。\n\n答：准确。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：如果我们看第13行，法庭问Heaslop女士（Ms. Heaslop，希斯洛普女士）：\n\n“在Kwok先生和Guo女士之间，您会如何比较他们各自在2020年7月、8月、9月期间待在游艇上的时间长短？”\n\n“证人：在那些月份，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 104 of 210\n\n第104页 M. Guo\n\nKwok先生在游艇上所待的时间比Guo女士更长。”\n\n“法庭：多很多还是只多一点？”\n\n“证人：多很多。”\n\nGuo女士，您是否有任何理由认为我刚才向您宣读的Heaslop先生的证言不真实且不准确？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：异议。\n\n答：准确。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：请翻到第89页。如果您看第10至14行：\n\n“问题：您的宣誓书第17段称，您随后与Hong Kong USA（香港美国公司）的一名代表交谈，并确认该游艇在纽约已不再需要。那个人不是Mei Guo（郭美），对吗？”\n\n“回答：不是。”\n\nGuo女士，该证言是否准确，即事实上，您并非告知Heaslop船长该游艇在纽约已不再\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 105 of 210\n\n第105页 M. Guo\n\n需要的人？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：异议。\n\n答：是真的。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：好的。如果您翻到第93页，Heaslop船长被问及您的父亲何时登上Lady May的问题。\n\n您也可以看第2行。内容是：\n\n“我问您的问题是：当他在船上时，他会指挥游艇的航行，对吗？我的意思不是他亲自驾驶游艇，而是他会告诉您他想去哪里？”\n\n“回答：是。”\n\n您看到该证言了吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：您是否有任何理由认为该证言不真实且不准确？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：异议。\n\n答：没有。是真的。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：好的。我请您翻到第95页。\n\n如果我们看第——第12行，法庭问：\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第106页 M. Guo\n\n“您确实作证说，先生”——这再次是指Heaslop船长——“在2020年7月、8月、9月，Kwok先生是游艇上的常客，而且据推定，他会告诉您他想去哪里？”\n\n“证人：是的，法官大人。在北部地区或南部地区，客人使用船只时，会有一些当地航行。客人会指示他们希望去哪里，以及在某一天希望做什么。\n\n“我所指的——我所说的没有指示，是指游艇在季节性地于东北部和东南部之间重新定位。这是办公室作出的决定。”\n\n“法庭：我明白了。因此，如果Kwok先生想去Nantucket（楠塔基特），您会带他去那里吗？”\n\n“证人：当然，会的。”\n\n“法庭：如果他想去Bar Harbor, Maine（缅因州巴港），您会带他去\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 107 of 210\n\n第107页 M. Guo\n\n缅因州巴港吗？”\n\n“证人：会。”\n\n您是否有任何理由认为，Heaslop船长就法庭问题所作的该证言，在任何方面不真实或不准确？\n\n瓦尔坦律师：异议。您是否想让她读到第96页第6行？我只是想为自己做个记录。\n\n卢夫特律师：您有笔录。您可以读。\n\n卢夫特律师问：\n\n问：请回答，Guo女士。\n\n瓦尔坦律师：只是问一个简单的问题。\n\n答：是。\n\n卢夫特律师：我们午餐休息吧。\n\n瓦尔坦律师：好的。\n\n录像员：现在是下午2:04。我们停止记录。\n\n（下午2:04，午餐休庭。）\n\n（下午2:58，证言录取继续。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 108 of\n\n第108页 M. Guo\n\n************************************************\n\n午后庭审\n\n************************************************\n\n摄像记录员：时间为 2:58 p.m.。\n\n现恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭女士（Ms. Guo），我先前问过您一个问题，关于 Hong Kong International（香港国际）及其是否申报纳税。\n\n我忘记问您：您在本国缴纳所得税吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生（Mr. Vartan）：异议。\n\n答：是。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：您去年申报过任何收入吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：是。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：该收入的来源是什么？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：盘古首席执行官。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：您告诉我，Pangu Plaza（盘古大观）在一年前被查封。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 109 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo\n\n问：在其被查封后，您是否继续作为盘古的首席执行官领取报酬？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否持有您在本国提交的纳税申报表副本？\n\n答：我现在没有。\n\n问：谁持有？\n\n答：在家里。在我家里。\n\n问：您家里有副本？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。自您于 2017 年取得香港国际以来，您是否从中赚取过任何收入或收益？\n\n答：没有。\n\n卢夫特先生：我们尚未收到郭女士的纳税申报表副本。我们已要求提供。\n\n我将再次要求你们将其交给我们。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：当然。您可以书面提出。我们会予以考虑。\n\n卢夫特先生：我已经书面提出。你们对此有未结请求。我请你们提供。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：嗯，我不知道是否提出过异议。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 110 页，共\n\nM. Guo，第 110 页\n\n曾提出过。我推定提出过。但我当然会查看。\n\n证人：那么我有一个问题。我的个人所得税与本案有什么关系？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：您不必——这就是我的异议。我们会确保提出该异议。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，您的父亲于 2006 年创立香港国际，对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：而且，您的父亲在 2014 年 10 月之前拥有并控制香港国际，对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：而且，您的父亲于 2014 年 10 月将香港国际转让给曲女士（Ms. Qu），对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您作证称——撤回该问题。\n\n在您于 2017 年来到本国时，曲女士是香港国际的唯一成员，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您是否知道，在您的父亲于 2014 年 10 月将香港国际转让给曲女士之后、以及您来到美国之前的任何时候，是否有曲女士以外的人是香港国际的成员？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 111 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo，第 111 页\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否知道，曲女士在 2014 年 10 月至其于 2017 年将该公司转让给您期间，是否与任何人就香港国际的控制权订立过任何协议？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是如何认识——您最初是在何时认识曲女士的？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：对于您最早记得认识曲女士是在何时，您能作出最准确的回忆吗？\n\n答：我在中国的时候。\n\n问：您能否再具体一些？\n\n当时您是小女孩、青少年，还是成年人？\n\n答：我是成年人。\n\n问：您是如何认识曲女士的？\n\n答：她与我哥哥一起工作。\n\n问：她何时与您哥哥一起工作？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 112 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo\n\n问：她在哪里与您哥哥一起工作？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：她在哪个国家与您哥哥一起工作？\n\n答：这一点我也不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾见过您哥哥和曲女士一起工作？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：曲女士和您哥哥从事什么业务？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您哥哥是否将曲女士介绍给您？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您在哪里见到曲女士？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，已问已答。\n\n答：在中国。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：在中国哪里？\n\n答：北京。\n\n问：在北京哪里？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得，您是在 2014 年之前见到曲女士的？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo，第 113 页\n\n答：2014 年之前，我不记得。\n\n问：您是否知道曲女士曾是您父亲的行政助理？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否知道曲女士曾是您父亲的客户经理？\n\n答：不知道。我不知道。不，我不知道。\n\n问：您在您的宣誓书中陈述：\n\n“我了解到，曲女士是我哥哥以及我叔叔和堂表亲的值得信赖的商业伙伴。”\n\n该了解的依据是什么？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：您在读哪一段？\n\n卢夫特先生：第 8 段。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：谢谢。\n\n宋女士（Ms. Song）：口译员女士，我认为您没有翻译完全部问题。\n\n口译员：我以为我翻译完了。我漏了哪一部分？\n\n宋女士：“坦白说，该了解的依据是什么。”\n\n答：我哥哥告诉我的。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 114 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo，第 114 页\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：他告诉您什么？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：他何时告诉您这件事？\n\n答：所以我认为是在曲女士来到美国之前。\n\n问：那是在何时？\n\n答：2017。\n\n问：您哥哥为什么对您这么说？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：因此，关于曲女士是否是您哥哥以及您叔叔和堂表亲的值得信赖的商业伙伴，您并无个人知情，只有您哥哥告诉您的内容，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：对。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：谁为您起草了已标记为证物 1 的声明？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：是这一份，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 115 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo，第 115 页\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：是的，女士。\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：哪位律师？\n\n答：Lee（李）。\n\n问：好的。当您说“我的叔叔和我的堂表亲”时，您指的是哪些叔叔和堂表亲？\n\n这在您的宣誓声明第 8 段中。\n\n答：那是指我此前提到的人，即我父亲的第四、第五和第六个哥哥。\n\n问：您知道曲女士与那些叔叔进行过任何商业交易吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n口译员：律师，您刚才说的是郭女士、郭先生，还是谁？\n\n卢夫特先生：曲女士。\n\n口译员：哦。现更正口译员刚才的翻译。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：您知道——撤回该问题。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 116 页，共\n\nM. Guo\n\n问：您知道曲女士据称是哪几位堂表亲的值得信赖的商业伙伴吗？\n\n答：那么，这与我今天上午给出的回答相同。我不想在此披露他们的姓名。\n\n卢夫特先生：我会要求您——再次，我想保留这个问题，如果您要——您是否要指示她不要回答？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：是。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。保留该问题。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：您知道曲女士与您的任何堂表亲进行过任何商业交易吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：曲女士大约多大年龄？\n\n答：超过 30 岁。\n\n问：远超过 30 岁，还是略超过 30 岁？\n\n答：我认为接近 40 岁。远超过 30 岁。她应该比我大。\n\n问：好的。2014 年——嗯，您记得您哥哥是哪一年大学毕业的吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您同意，2016 年时，您哥哥大约 26 岁吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，提交日期 03/09/23，录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00，第 117 页，共\n\nM. Guo，第 117 页\n\n答：我不这么认为。\n\n问：您认为他在 2016 年时多大？\n\n答：我认为他当时 30 岁。\n\n问：您哥哥何时出生？\n\n答：天哪。'86 或 '87。我不太确定。\n\n问：Lady May（“梅夫人”号）是由香港国际购得的，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：那是在——\n\n口译员：购得？\n\n律师，您说的是“购得”，对吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：是。\n\n答：是。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：那是在 2015 年 2 月，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而且，当时您父亲已将香港国际转让给曲女士，对吗？\n\n答：2015 年，对。\n\n问：在 2015 年 2 月，当他们购得“梅夫人”号时，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而且，香港国际是\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n第118页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n已被转让。\n\n问：据您所知，Ms. Qu（曲女士）没有就Hong Kong International（香港国际）向您父亲支付任何款项？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您知道购买Lady May（“五月女士”号）花了多少钱吗？\n\n答：超过2,000万欧元。\n\n问：而且，为Hong Kong International购买Lady May所支付的款项并非来自曲女士，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您知道Hong Kong International用于购买Lady May的资金来自何处吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您在作为证物1的宣誓书第9段中陈述：\n\n“自购买之时起，鉴于我对海洋的热爱，Lady May始终意在作为我的船。事实上，它以我的名字命名。”\n\n您看到您在宣誓书中作出的该陈述了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide（TSG全球速记） 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo\n\n问：现在，当Hong Kong International购买Lady May时，Hong Kong International登记在曲女士名下，而非您任何家庭成员名下，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：曲女士是否曾告诉您，为何她在February 2015让Hong Kong International购买Lady May？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：因此，当您说“Lady May始终意在作为我的船”时，您并不亲自知悉Hong Kong International购买Lady May时的意图，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦先生）：异议。\n\n答：我知道购买Lady May的意图。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特先生）询问：\n\n问：如果曲女士从未告诉您Hong Kong International为何购买Lady May，那么Hong Kong International的谁告诉您它为何购买Lady May？\n\n答：我哥哥告诉我的。\n\n问：您哥哥在Hong Kong International没有任何职务，对吗？\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00登记，第120页，共210页\n\nM. Guo\n\n问：对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：而且，您哥哥并非购买Lady May的人，对吗？\n\n答：不对。他是购买它的人。\n\n问：您是说，并非Hong Kong International购买了Lady May，而是您哥哥购买的？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，歪曲证言。\n\n答：谁购买了Lady May以及如何购买的，我不知道具体情况。我只知道，我哥哥买了这艘游艇作为送给我的礼物。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：但您哥哥不是购买Lady May的人，是吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，歪曲证言。\n\n答：我不明白您的问题。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您已作证称，Hong Kong International在February 2015购买了Lady May，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第121页\n\nM. Guo\n\n问：对吗？\n\n答：我的理解是，这家公司拥有该船。\n\n问：Hong Kong International在February 2015拥有该船，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：事实上，在Lady May于June of 2017被转让给您之前，您哥哥没有参与Lady May的任何转让，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：那么，如果您打开作为证物2的听证会记录第47页。\n\n答：四十七页？第47页，对吗？\n\n问：第47页。我们从第46页第22行开始。您陈述：\n\n“法官阁下，该船由Hong Kong International转给曲女士，随后又转给我。它从未转给我哥哥。”\n\n“法庭：因此，在曲女士从Hong Kong International收到该船后，您从曲女士处收到该船，对吗？”\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo 第122页\n\n“证人：是的，法官阁下。”\n\n“法庭：根据您的证言，在您取得该船之前，您哥哥没有参与任何转让？”\n\n“证人：对。”\n\n您向法庭作出的该证言真实且准确吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：我仅提出异议，仅提出异议。\n\n答：对。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：那是您作出的真实且准确的证言，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：再次异议。我认为转让和购买之间存在混淆，但是——\n\nLUFT先生：先生，我是在宣读记录，并问其是否真实且准确。请不要引入新的词语。我们确实正在——这正在成为一个大问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：我大多时候一直保持沉默。\n\n您在谈论购买和转让。您在谈论——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第123页\n\nM. Guo\n\nLUFT先生：瓦尔坦先生，我宣读了一段证言，并问其是否真实且准确。她读的是同一内容。\n\n我没有说“购买”这个词。我在此直接宣读。上面写的是“转让”。这是法庭向她提出的问题，而她对此作出了回答。\n\n请停止试图干扰该证言。\n\nVARTAN先生：我没有。\n\nLUFT先生：您有，而且这完全不当。\n\nVARTAN先生：您是在说，此前的引导性问题全部都是关于购买的。\n\nLUFT先生：天哪。瓦尔坦先生——\n\n答：我不记得问题是什么。\n\nLUFT先生：是的，我感觉到这就是我们最终会走向的地方。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：好的，郭女士。回到您针对法庭问题所作的证言，即我在第46页第16行至第47页第7行之间为您标出的部分，该证言是\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00登记，第124页，共210页\n\nM. Guo 第124页\n\n真实且准确的，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：郭女士，在February 2015，您身在何处？\n\n答：中国北京。\n\n问：您在那里做什么？\n\n答：我受到中国共产党的迫害。\n\n问：当时您哥哥身在何处？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：他当时在英国，不是吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：他当时在中国吗？\n\n答：不在。\n\n问：他当时在香港吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：如果他是February 2015的购买人，为何他没有将该船转让给自己？\n\n答：因为该船是为我购买的。因为在当时的一般情形下，我本人及我所有家庭成员均受到中国共产党的迫害。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00登记，第125页，共210页\n\nM. Guo 第125页\n\n我们拥有的一切都被冻结。因此，不可能将其置于他的名下。\n\n问：但他并不在中国，是吗？\n\n答：没错。但中国共产党不会只盯着我们在中国拥有的东西。\n\n问：曲女士当时在香港，不是吗？\n\n答：什么时候？\n\n问：在February 2015。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Lady May从未登记在您哥哥名下，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：而且，您哥哥从未持有Lady May的法定所有权？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：而且，没有任何法律文件表明您哥哥曾持有Lady May的任何所有权权益，对吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：而且，您哥哥从未将Lady May转让给您，是吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：而且，曲女士从未告诉您Hong Kong International为何购买\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00登记，第126页，共210页\n\nM. Guo\n\nLady May，是吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：从未。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：我们称为Lady May的这艘游艇是在何时命名的？\n\n答：从一开始，在有意购买这艘船时，我哥哥就打算将其命名为Lady May。\n\n问：您知道实际上是谁给这艘船命名的吗？\n\n答：我刚才提到，是我哥哥。\n\n问：事实上，是您父亲将其命名为Lady May，不是吗？\n\n答：不是。是我哥哥。\n\n问：您怎么知道？\n\n答：他亲自告诉我的。\n\n问：他何时告诉您的？\n\n答：在我于January 2015被中国共产党释放后，我接到的第一个电话中。\n\n问：因此，在任何人购买Lady May之前，他就告诉您这件事了？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：他告诉我，他会购买——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00登记，第127页，共210页\n\nM. Guo 第127页\n\n购买一艘船作为送给我的礼物，并以我的名字命名。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：他二十多岁时从哪里获得钱来为您购买一艘船？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：现在，您陈述，Lady May于June 27, 2017被转让给您，当时您在美国，对吗？\n\n答：是，在June，但是否是27日，我不知道。\n\n问：该转让是如何发生的？谁联系了谁？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：谁告诉您，Hong Kong International将把Lady May转让给您？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：该交易在何处进行？\n\n答：纽约。\n\n问：在纽约的何处？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第128页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：当时谁在场？\n\n答：有Qu女士（曲女士）。我不记得还有其他人。\n\n问：除Qu女士外，您不记得还有其他人在场吗？\n\n答：不，我不记得；并不是说没有其他人。\n\n问：就该项交易，您是否获得律师的建议？\n\n答：我想可能有，但我不记得。\n\n问：您的律师是谁？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特先生）：我将请法庭记录员将Mei Guo（郭美）证言笔录证物3编号标记，这是一份标有贝茨编号HKI-14至20的文件。\n\n（Mei Guo证物3已于本日收取并标记供识别。）\n\nROMNEY先生（罗姆尼先生）：您有额外的一份吗？如果没有，也没关系。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：我以前见过。\n\n问：这是什么？\n\n答：这是什么，上面不是写着吗？我认为这是Lady May（“梅女士号”）的注册证明书。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073，文件1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00录入，第129页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：您看到HKI-18上注明受让人为Mei Guo吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：而且，上面列出的您的地址是Majestic View Manor（宏景庄园）, 20 South Bay Road, Hong Kong（香港南湾道20号），对吗？\n\n答：在哪里？\n\n问：就在最上方，“Address”项下。\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：此前我问过您该地址。\n\n这是否唤起您的记忆，即事实上，您曾居住于20 South Bay Road, Hong Kong？\n\n答：我现在记得这个地址，但我从未住在那里。\n\n问：为什么您在这些与出售Lady May和Hong Kong International（香港国际）有关的正式文件上，将其列为您的地址？\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦先生）：异议。\n\n答：因为这个地址是我们在香港的家庭住址。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：意思是，这是您父亲在香港的地址？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第130页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：不是。这是我们全家的家庭住址。\n\n问：一百人住在这个地址？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：一百人不大可能同时去香港。但即便我们都去了，也有足够的空间。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您是否宣誓作证称，这并非您父亲在香港居住的地址？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。已问已答。\n\n答：我没有这么说。我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：本文件上的所有印章日期均为June 17——June 27, 2017。\n\n您看到那些圆形戳印了吗？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：并且上面有来自香港的印章，对吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：如果您看这些圆形戳印，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073，文件1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00录入，第131页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n上面有一个印章写着“Duty, Hong Kong, 27.6.17”。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：您见过这个。您是否认为该项交易可能是在香港完成的？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：不可能。我百分之百确定是在美国。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您知道为什么这些文件上有香港印章吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您为Hong Kong International及其资产Lady May向Qu女士支付了多少钱？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：如果您看这份文件，上面写着“1 Hong Kong dollar”。\n\n这是否唤起您的记忆？\n\n答：是。我记得了。\n\n问：您知道您父亲何时指示Qu女士将Lady May转让给您吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，歪曲了证言。\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我父亲没有指示她。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Qu女士是否告诉过您，您父亲没有指示她这样做？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：从未有过这次谈话。她不需要告诉我。这根本没有发生。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，我们在这里说清楚。\n\nQu女士从未告诉您，她的父亲——您的父亲没有与她作出安排，将Lady May转让给您，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：该问题中有很多否定。也许您想重新表述。\n\nLUFT先生：再说一次，当我需要您的帮助时，我会问您。\n\nVARTAN先生：该问题完全不清楚。我正在阅读它。\n\nLUFT先生：瓦尔坦先生，您一定是一位了不起的律师。我期待您的证言笔录。在那之前，我将提出我的问题，等轮到您时，\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第133页\n\n您再提出您的问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：如果您理解该问题，您可以回答。\n\n答：我不太理解这个问题。不只是她没有告诉我我父亲没有作出该安排；她也没有告诉我我母亲没有作出该安排。\n\n我不知道为什么我父亲会出现在这次谈话中。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您知道纽约州最高法院（New York State Supreme Court）认定您父亲为Lady May的受益所有人，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您不知道州最高法院作出裁决，认定您父亲是Lady May的受益所有人并对其拥有控制权吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：这是您的证词吗？\n\n答：我不记得我是否知道此事。\n\n案件22-50073，文件1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00录入，第134页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第134页\n\n问：您是否记得，我们一直在查看的证词来自一场专门用于确定谁拥有Lady May的受益所有权和控制权的听证会？\n\nVARTAN先生：同一异议。\n\n答：是，我记得。\n\n口译员：证人刚才正在向口译员解释，她是在回答该问题。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您是否记得得知该听证会的结果？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您熟悉Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国）这个实体吗？\n\n答：是，我熟悉。\n\n问：该实体成立于April 17, 2020，对吗？\n\n答：是2020年，但我不记得确切时间。\n\n问：您想看看您的声明第11段，并告诉我其中是否写的是April 17, 2020吗？\n\n答：哪一段？\n\n问：是第11段，有助于唤起您的记忆。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第135页\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：因此，自June 27, 2017 Qu女士将Hong Kong International和Lady May转让给您之时起，直至April 17, 2020，Lady May在法律上由Hong Kong International所有，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：谁成立了Hong Kong International USA？\n\n答：我自己。\n\n问：您何时成立的？\n\n答：我认为是在2022年初。我不记得确切时间。\n\n问：如果我告诉您，Hong Kong International USA的公司文件显示其于2018年成立，这是否会唤起您对于其何时成立的记忆？\n\n答：我可以看这份文件吗？\n\n问：您不同意吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：她要求唤起她的记忆。\n\nSONG女士（宋女士）：我有一点澄清。我相信郭女士说的是2020年初，但口译员说的是2022年初。\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我记不起来。\n\n口译员：我想我说的是2020年。谢谢。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，在Hong Kong USA成立时，您也不是其唯一股东，对吗？\n\n答：我是。\n\n问：事实上，您于April 2019成为Hong Kong USA的唯一股东；这才是事实，不是吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：我只是提出异议。如果有文件您想向她出示——\n\nLUFT先生：瓦尔坦先生，停止打断我的询问。我没有问她文件。如果我想向她出示文件，我会出示。\n\nVARTAN先生：她向您要了一份文件。\n\nLUFT先生：不是这样运作的。\n\n答：我不记得。我得看文件。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：事实上，郭女士，您今天坐在这里，对Hong Kong USA的成立一无所知——您对其成立任何事情都不记得，\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第137页\n\n对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：仅歪曲了证言。异议。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您知道Hong Kong USA何时成立吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：您是在问一个不同的问题吗？\n\nLUFT先生：瓦尔坦先生，停止。\n\nVARTAN先生：有一个问题尚待回答。我只是要确保记录清楚。\n\nLUFT先生：好的，瓦尔坦先生。我撤回我的问题。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，请告诉我Hong Kong USA成立的日期。\n\n答：让我想一想。我确实记不起来。\n\n问：郭女士，您是否记得，在Hong Kong USA成立时您是否是唯一股东？\n\n答：我是。\n\n问：如果公司文件显示情况并非如此，您将如何解释？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：您现在的问题是关于\n\n案件22-50073，文件1529，于03/09/23提交，于03/09/23 12:00:00录入，第138页，共210页\n\n第138页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n股东，对吗？\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您成为Hong Kong USA的唯一股东，对。\n\n答：所以，我对此的理解是，对该公司拥有100%的所有权，对吗？\n\n问：仅指持有股份的唯一人士？\n\n答：持有股份的人。\n\n问：我们继续吧。\n\n好的。April 17, 2020，您将Lady May从名义上由Hong Kong International所有变更为由Hong Kong International USA所有。\n\n是什么促使您作出该变更？\n\n答：我只是认为，在美国，这家公司会更容易管理。所以我加上了“USA”。\n\n问：事实上，您这样做是因为律师建议您这样做，对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您想阅读您的声明第11段吗？“I did so upon the advice of my counsel.”\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 139 of 210\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美） 第139页\n\n·2· · · · 问：那位律师是谁？\n·3· · · · 答：我不记得了。\n·4· · · · 问：是什么促使您就Lady May（“五月花女士”号）的登记和所有权问题寻求律师意见？\n·7· · · · 答：我认为，在做生意时，这本来就是您会做的一项基本事项。\n·9· · · · 问：在您身在美国并作为Lady May所有人的前三年里，您为什么从未这样做？\n12· · · · 答：我不记得了。\n13· · · · 问：您是亲自直接与律师交谈，还是与曾同律师交谈过的人交谈，以获得该建议？\n16· · · · 答：我不记得了。\n17· · · · 问：您是否记得该律师是否来自名为Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯律师事务所）的律师事务所？\n19· · · · 答：我不记得了。\n20· · · · 问：就向Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国公司）转让所有权一事，您是否曾与Wang女士交谈？\n23· · · · 答：您所说的Wang女士，是指Yvette吗？\n24· · · · 问：是。\n25· · · · 答：我不记得了。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 140 of 210\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美）\n\n·2· · · · 问：目前，除Lady May以及您从Himalaya（喜马拉雅）取得的$37 million贷款外，Hong Kong International USA是否还有其他资产？\n·6· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n·7· · · · 答：没有。\n·8· ·由LUFT先生询问：\n·9· · · · 问：Hong Kong International USA没有任何银行账户，对吗？\n11· · · · 答：对。\n12· · · · 问：而在此之前，从您于2017年取得Hong Kong International（香港国际公司）控制权之时起，直至Lady May于2020年被转让给Hong Kong USA（香港美国公司）之时止，Hong Kong International没有任何银行账户，对吗？\n17· · · · 答：这一点我不知道。\n18· · · · 问：Hong Kong International USA没有任何董事，对吗？\n20· · · · 答：我不记得了。\n21· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：我将把Lee Vartan（李·瓦尔坦）致Edward Moss（爱德华·莫斯）、日期为June 7, 2021的信函标记为Mei Guo Exhibit 4。\n24· · · · · · ·（Mei Guo Exhibit 4于本日收取并标记供识别之用。）\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美）\n\n·2· ·由LUFT先生询问：\n·3· · · · 问：Guo女士，在June 7, 2021，Vartan先生是您的律师，对吗？\n·5· · · · 答：是。\n·6· · · · 问：您看到第二段中Vartan先生代表Hong Kong International作出的陈述了吗：\n·9· · · · · · · · · “Hong Kong International没有董事、高管或雇员；没有专用电子邮件服务器或电子邮件后缀；不提交纳税申报表；没有银行账户，亦未以其他方式获得资本注入。”\n15· · · · · · ·您看到该句了吗？\n16· · · · 答：看到了。\n17· · · · 问：Vartan先生向Moss先生作出该陈述时，是否真实准确？\n19· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：异议。\n20· · · · 答：是。\n21· ·由LUFT先生询问：\n22· · · · 问：自Vartan先生June 7, 2021的信函以来，Hong Kong International仍然没有董事、高管或雇员，没有专用电子邮件服务器或电子邮件后缀，不提交纳税申报表，没有银行账户，且未以其他方式获得资本注入，这是否仍然属实？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 142 of 210\n\n第142页 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美） ·2· ·提交纳税申报表，没有银行账户，且未以其他方式获得资本注入？ ·4· · · · 答：您是指在该日期之后，对吗？ ·6· · · · 问：我问的是，在Vartan先生于June 7, 2021发出该信函之后，自June 8, 2021起直至目前，关于Hong Kong International的该陈述是否仍然属实？ 10· · · · 答：对于其他所有信息，我确认那是属实的。但至于是否仍然没有董事或高管，我不确定。 13· · · · 问：您目前是否知道Hong Kong International USA有任何董事或高管？ 15· · · · 答：所以今天、此刻，大概没有。 16· · · · 问：您认为在June 7, 2021与今天之间，Hong Kong International USA是否可能曾在某一时期有董事和高管？ 20· · · · 答：我不太确定。这就是我指出这一点的原因。我不确定。 22· · · · 问：在这整个期间，您一直是Hong Kong International USA的唯一成员？ 25· · · · 答：是，没错。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 143 of 210\n\n第143页 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美） ·2· · · · 问：Hong Kong International USA是否曾举行过任何董事会会议？ ·4· · · · 答：没有。 ·5· · · · 问：是否曾就Hong Kong International通过任何决议？ ·7· · · · 答：没有。 ·8· · · · 问：好的。您熟悉162 East 64th Street这个地址吗？ 10· · · · 答：是的，听起来我听说过这个地址。 12· · · · 问：您曾去过那里吗？ 13· · · · 答：我确实不记得了。 14· · · · 问：Hong Kong International USA的地址是什么？ 16· · · · 答：大概就是您刚才提到的地址。 18· · · · 问：您说大概是那个地址，是因为我刚才提到了它，还是您记得那就是该地址？ 21· · · · 答：我现在记起来了。 22· · · · 问：在该地址是否有Hong Kong International USA的办公室？ 24· · · · 答：没有。 25· · · · 问：您是否知道您父亲有\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 144 of 210\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美） 第144页\n\n·2· ·在该地址登记的众多企业？\n·4· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：异议。\n·5· · · · 答：我不知道。\n·6· ·由LUFT先生询问：\n·7· · · · 问：谁支付Hong Kong USA的开支？\n·8· · · · 答：我哥哥。\n·9· · · · 问：事实上，这些开支是由Golden Spring（金泉）和Lamp Capital（灯资本）支付的，对吗？\n11· · · · 答：我不确定具体情况。我所知道的只是由我哥哥支付。\n13· · · · 问：那么，如果我们看您的宣誓书第12段。\n15· · · · · · ·您看到了吗？这是Exhibit 1。\n16· · · · 答：第12段？\n17· · · · 问：您看到在讨论Lady May的开支时，您称全部由Golden Spring和Lamp Capital支付？\n20· · · · 答：是，我看到了。\n21· · · · 问：该段没有提到您的哥哥支付开支，对吗？\n23· · · · 答：但该公司是我哥哥的。\n24· · · · 问：所以Golden Spring和Lamp Capital是您哥哥的公司？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 145 of 210\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美） 第145页\n\n·2· · · · 答：是。我哥哥的家族办公室。\n·3· · · · 问：您哥哥如何取得提供给Golden Spring和Lamp Capital的资金？\n·5· · · · 答：我不知道。\n·6· · · · 问：在您于本案中提交的诉状中，您多次提及Hong Kong USA的代表。\n·9· · · · · · ·当您称Hong Kong USA的代表是指示Lady May船长将船移动至何处的人时，您指的是谁？\n12· · · · 答：大多数时候，我指的是Max。\n14· · · · 问：Max是Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）？\n15· · · · 答：是。\n16· · · · 问：除Max Krasner外，是否还有其他Hong Kong USA的代表？\n18· · · · 答：是。但那些其他人停留的时间很短，所以我不记得他们的姓名。\n21· · · · 问：您还在诉状中称，您直接并通过您的代表，全权负责指挥Lady May的运营和航行。\n25· · · · · · ·所指的您的代表是\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 146 of 210\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美） 第146页\n\n·2· ·在诉状中提及的谁？\n·3· · · · 答：就像我刚才提到的，大多数时候是Max。\n·5· · · · 问：Max Krasner？\n·6· · · · 答：Max Krasner。\n·7· · · · 问：您有Max Krasner的电话号码吗？\n·8· · · · 答：没有。\n·9· · · · 问：您有他的电子邮件地址吗？\n10· · · · 答：没有。\n11· · · · 问：您知道他的住址吗？\n12· · · · 答：我不知道。\n13· · · · 问：当您想联系Max Krasner时，您会拨打哪里？\n15· · · · 答：我使用软件给他打电话。\n16· · · · 问：什么软件？什么软件？\n17· · · · 答：我经常更换软件。没有我一直使用的软件。\n19· · · · 问：您指的是即时通信应用程序吗？\n20· · · · 答：我也可以用它来发消息。\n21· · · · 问：请您告诉我，您会通过即时通信应用程序使用什么地址或号码联系Max Krasner？\n24· · · · 答：我从不使用与我的电话号码绑定的任何软件。所以我没有号码。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美） 第147页\n\n·2· · · · 问：无论您使用何种即时通信软件，必定有Max Krasner的某项联系信息。\n·5· · · · · · ·您使用的任何软件用来联系Max Krasner的该联系信息是什么？\n·8· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：异议。\n·9· · · · 答：您是指这整个期间的所有信息吗？\n11· ·由LUFT先生询问：\n12· · · · 问：我先从任何一项信息开始。\n13· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：针对哪个具体问题？\n15· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：只是——您不必替她念出来。\n17· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：我是在问您。\n18· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：您有现场直播。您可以念。\n20· · · · 答：早些时候，我使用WhatsApp、Telegram等。\n22· · · · · · ·后来和现在，我没有任何信息。自我上次联系他以来已经很久了。\n24· ·由LUFT先生询问：\n25· · · · 问：您是否检索了您的全部\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 148 of\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭美）\n\n·2· ·与本案诉讼有关、您与Max Krasner在WhatsApp和Telegram上的通信？\n·4· · · · 答：没有，我没有。我每月更换手机。我绝不会保留这些信息。\n·6· · · · 问：无论更换手机，该应用程序仍是同一个，对吗？\n·8· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：异议。\n·9· · · · · · ·仅限于您所知道的内容。\n10· · · · 答：不是同一个。\n11· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：律师，我们已要求提供那些通信记录。您未能提供。我要求您请予提供。\n14· · · · · · ·在收到该信息之前，我将保持此次证言录取程序开放，以便我可以就此提问。\n17· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：我认为她说她没有。我们会再查找一次。\n19· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：律师，您明白其运作方式，即它并不绑定于某一特定手机，对吗？\n22· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：不明白。\n23· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：您不明白这一点？\n24· · · · · · ·VARTAN先生：我不了解WhatsApp的内部运作方式，不明白。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide · · 877-702-9580\n\n第149页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n卢夫特先生：我认为您不需要了解 WhatsApp 的内部运作机制。\n\n您有一部手机，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：是。\n\n卢夫特先生：您是否知道，当您登录时，它并不依赖于那部手机，您可以在任何一部手机上查看该应用程序中的内容？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我完全不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的，律师。您应当与罗姆尼先生谈谈，他更精通技术，可以在这方面帮助您。\n\n罗姆尼先生：我并不太精通技术。\n\n卢夫特先生：但是，我确实知道您会使用手机，Aaron。\n\n罗姆尼先生：我确实会使用手机，但我不了解这些应用程序。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您作证称，克拉斯纳先生已不再任职于 Golden Spring（金泉）。\n\n克拉斯纳先生是否曾是 HK International（香港国际）的雇员？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：当您需要与 Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）的某人交谈时，您会与谁交谈？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第150页 M. Guo\n\n答：我会联系我哥哥。\n\n问：因此，当您对香港国际的费用或任何需要完成的事项有任何疑问时，您就直接给您哥哥打电话？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：既然 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）和王女士已不再任职于金泉，当您必须代表香港国际询问任何问题时，谁是香港国际的代表？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。问题令人困惑。\n\n答：现在没有人。当我有问题时，我就给我哥哥打电话。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：因此，如果您想移动 Lady May（“五月花号”），或者准许某人登上——删除前半部分。\n\n如果您今天想准许某人成为“五月花号”上的客人，您会给谁打电话？\n\n答：目前，我无法使用我的船。因此，我不需要给任何人打电话。\n\n问：最后一次有客人登上“五月花号”是在何时？\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第151页，共210页\n\n第151页 M. Guo\n\n答：那是在该船仍在欧洲、返回美国之前。我哥哥使用了它。\n\n问：您父亲最后一次登上“五月花号”是在何时？\n\n答：您的意思是登上那艘船吗？不久前，他去看了一下。但若是留宿在船上，我认为是在一两年前，疫情之前。\n\n问：您父亲最后一次实际登上“五月花号”是在何时？\n\n答：我认为是不久前。我不记得确切时间。\n\n问：您最准确的记忆是什么？\n\n答：无论如何，是在冬天。\n\n问：这个冬天？\n\n答：我想是的。\n\n问：您和他在一起吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您给谁打了电话，或者您是否给任何人打了电话，以准许他登上该船？\n\n答：他给我打电话并询问了此事。\n\n问：您父亲给您打电话，问他是否可以登上该船？\n\n答：是的。他说他只是——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第152页，共210页\n\n第152页 M. Guo\n\n碰巧在康涅狄格州经过该船。他看见该船，想上去看一看。他问我是否可以。\n\n我说：“去吧。”\n\n问：您是否向任何人告知您父亲将登上该船？\n\n答：没有。他并不是要去什么地方。他只是想登上该船看一看。\n\n问：当时船上是否有船员？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：您是否给船员打电话，告诉他们他将登上该船？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您本会给船员中的谁打电话？您是否有他们任何人的电话号码？\n\n答：船长。我有船长的号码。\n\n问：您的手机上是否有任何证据表明，您曾致电船长，告诉他您父亲将登船？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我的回答是，我不记得是否曾就我父亲登船一事给任何人打电话。而且不是船长。我尚未联系过船长。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第153页 M. Guo\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。是否有人为您管理 Hong Kong International（香港国际）的运营？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Lamp Capital 是否为您处理香港国际的管理和运营？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将把一份标有 Bates 编号 PN000107 至 117 的文件标记为证物5。\n\n（截至本日，Mei Guo（郭美）证物5已收取并标记供识别。）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：五？\n\n卢夫特先生：五。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，这是一份题为“管理和运营协议”的文件。其列明 Hong Kong International Investment Funds USA（美国香港国际投资基金）为公司，Lamp Capital LLC（蓝普资本有限责任公司）为服务提供商。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：请稍等。在哪一页？\n\n问：第一页，就在顶部。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第154页，共210页\n\n第154页 M. Guo\n\n答：您能重复一下他刚才的问题吗？\n\n问：我只是——我们可以继续。我只是在指出顶部写的内容。\n\n答：好的。我看到了。\n\n问：您是否看到，在 Bates 编号以 113 结尾的页面上，“姓名：Mei Guo，职务：成员”上方有一个签名？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：那是您的签名吗？\n\n答：看起来像我的签名。\n\n问：您看到前一页上有一名叫 Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）的男子的签名吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：如果您翻到第一页，其中写道：\n\n“服务提供商应向公司提供管理及运营支持服务。”\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：您是否记得与 Lamp Capital 签订该协议？\n\n答：我可以问一下这是哪一年的协议吗？\n\n问：依我所读，其中似乎写明签署日期为 May 7, 2021。那是在——我正在看 Bates 编号111。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第155页，共210页\n\n第155页 M. Guo\n\n这是否唤起了您的记忆？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：您是否记得 Lamp Capital 与香港国际之间达成该项交易？\n\n答：我记得。\n\n问：在该协议之前，是否曾与 Lamp Capital 签订过先前的管理协议？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：在该协议之前，是否曾与金泉签订过先前的管理协议？\n\n答：我也不记得。\n\n问：谁代表香港国际谈判该协议？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得——今天坐在这里，在不重读该文件的情况下，您是否记得该协议的任何条款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：就管理和运营香港国际及“五月花号”而言，该协议目前是否仍在 Lamp Capital 与香港国际之间有效？\n\n答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第156页 M. Guo\n\n问：在 Ostrager 法官面前的听证会上，您作证称，与“五月花号”相关的年度成本约为 \\$2 to \\$3 million。\n\n该数字仍然准确吗？\n\n答：该数字准确，但我认为去年该数字可能更高，因为我们进行了大量维护。\n\n问：根据该协议第(d)项，其中写明，Lamp Capital 负责提起、抗辩、控制在该协议期限内因与公司业务有关的事件而产生的所有法律诉讼、仲裁、调查和程序；该公司即香港国际。\n\nLamp Capital 是否控制您提起的这项法律诉讼？\n\n答：请稍等。我应当在哪里看第(d)项？\n\n问：第2(d)项。在“管理服务”项下，第(d)项。\n\n答：我不太理解这个问题的意思。\n\n问：我再说一遍。\n\n根据该协议的条款，其中写明——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第157页，共210页\n\n第157页 M. Guo\n\nLamp Capital 将控制与香港国际业务有关的所有法律诉讼。\n\n我的问题是：Lamp Capital 是否控制您提起的这项诉讼——\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：——代表香港国际提起的这项诉讼？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：抱歉。我不是律师，因此我不知道如何回答您的问题。我不太理解。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：谁支付与该诉讼有关的律师费？\n\n答：像我们今天正在做的事情吗？\n\n问：包括一切，例如提交起诉状、撰写您的诉状、今天到场，以及与您提起的该诉讼有关的一切。谁支付律师费？\n\n答：我自行支付我的律师费用。然后，部分费用由我哥哥支付。\n\n问：哪些费用由您哥哥支付？\n\n答：我想更正一下，我所说的是，我自行支付 Lee（李）的费用。但对于其他律师，例如其他律师事务所费用较高时，那些费用由我哥哥支付。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第158页，共210页\n\n第158页 M. Guo\n\n问：罗姆尼先生所在的 Zeisler 律师事务所的费用由谁支付？\n\n答：我支付了一部分，我哥哥也替我支付了一部分。\n\n问：谁支付 Mitchell 先生的费用？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否支付 Mitchell 先生向您提供法律服务的费用？\n\n答：所以，您是在问我是否会自行支付？\n\n问：是的，我是在问您。您是否就 Mitchell 先生代表您和香港国际一事支付其费用？\n\n答：我不记得上一次向他付款是在何时，但当然，我支付过他。\n\n问：当您说您哥哥支付您的律师费时，他是直接从自己的银行账户支付，还是通过 Lamp Capital 支付？\n\n答：我不知道。我只是会把我的发票转交给他。至于他如何处理这些发票，我不知道。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我会要求休庭，当您——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 159 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n卢夫先生：当然。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：您是否记得，您为换取 Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）提供的管理服务而向其支付了何种报酬？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您是否曾使用 Lady May（梅夫人号）——Lady May 是否曾出租用于包船服务？\n\n答：从未。\n\n问：您是否会考虑做这种事？\n\n答：从未。\n\n问：您是否知道，为何根据与 Lamp Capital 的这份协议，您同意向其支付 Lady May 包船服务所得的款项？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：曲解合同。\n\n答：在哪里？我能看一下吗？\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：当然。在第 7 条“报酬”项下：\n\n“此外，服务提供方”——Lamp Capital——“应直接获得由 Lady May 和/或 Lady May II（梅夫人二号）产生的任何及全部包船服务收入。”\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n第 160 页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我对此的理解是，必须经我批准。\n\n问：好的。您的意思是，您绝不会批准？\n\n答：对。我绝不会出租我的船。\n\n问：在订立该协议并以此作为管理服务的报酬时，是否告知 Lamp Capital，其永远不会根据该条款获得任何收入？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。那应当是律师之间的谈话。我不知道。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：如果您看第 3 条“公司的义务”第 (b) 项，在第二页？\n\n答：（证人照办。）\n\n问：第二页。\n\n您看到第一行写着“公司”——这是指 Hong Kong International（香港国际），对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：——“将及时提供与其所有权有关的所有被要求提供的文件。”\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 161 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 161 页\n\n您看到这一点了吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而 Hong Kong International 的所有权人是您；对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：然后它写着“以及最终受益所有人”。\n\n您看到这一点了吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：如果公司是 Hong Kong International，所有权人是您，“最终受益所有人”所指的是谁？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n卢夫先生：好的。您可以暂时把这份文件放在一边。\n\n律师要求休息，所以我们就休息一下吧。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：当然。谢谢。\n\n录像员：现在是下午 4:51。我们暂停记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现在是下午 5:17。我们\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 162 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 162 页\n\n恢复记录。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，如果可以的话，我想就 Lady May 问您几个问题。\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：Lady May 在冬季驶往南方时，您会使用它吗？\n\n答：会，有时会在佛罗里达州使用。\n\n问：它在佛罗里达州时，您父亲会使用它吗？\n\n答：会。\n\n问：他在佛罗里达州使用它的频率如何？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：Lady May 于 2020 年驶往南方时，它在佛罗里达州期间，您是否使用过该船？\n\n答：让我想想。我不记得了。\n\n问：在 2020 年驶往南方之前，Lady May 冬季是否停泊在佛罗里达州？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我只是想确认一下。\n\n所以，问题是该船在 2020 年冬季停泊在哪里，对吗？\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：在——关于 2020 年冬季，我稍后会问。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 163 页，共\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n我过一会儿会问。在此之前，即更早的几个冬季。\n\n答：更早的几个冬季怎么了？\n\n问：冬季它是否停泊在佛罗里达州？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我可以澄清一下吗？我们说的是 2020 年至 2021 年的冬季，还是 2019 年至 2020 年的冬季？\n\n卢夫先生：不是。正如我所说，是在 2020 年之前。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：您说的是 2020 年冬季。\n\n卢夫先生：在那之前。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我不是要造成混淆。\n\n卢夫先生：我知道您不是。您只是在打断。\n\n是在 2020 年冬季之前。那会是哪个冬季？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：问的是 2019 年至 2020 年，还是 2020 年至 2021 年？\n\n卢夫先生：哦，我的天。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您明白——不如我们简化一下，以免出现问题。\n\n2020 年深秋，为过冬，在即将到来的冬季，Lady May 向南航行了，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 164 页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。在该冬季之前的几个冬季，Lady May 停泊在哪里？\n\n答：我不知道 2017 年之前的几个冬季。可是 2017 年、2018 年和 2019 年，它在秋季会停在佛罗里达州。天气较冷时，它会前往巴哈马。\n\n问：好的。2020 年秋季，Golden Spring（金泉）的某人联系您，告知您该将船驶往南方了，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的那个人是谁？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：在那次通话之后，Golden Spring 联系船长并告诉他将船驶往南方，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：然后，实际在哪一天启航由船长自行决定，对吗？\n\n答：是，取决于天气。\n\n问：因此，当您称您全权负责指挥 Lady May 的航行时，我想澄清一下。\n\n夏季，当该船位于东北部而您父亲在船上、您不在船上时，\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n他可以决定该船去哪里，对吗？\n\n答：所以，具体来说，您的意思是，当我父亲在船上时，他能控制该船吗？\n\n问：我的意思是，在东北部，当您父亲在船上而您不在船上时，他可以决定该船去哪里，对吗？\n\n答：东北部是指纽约，对吗？\n\n问：纽约、楠塔基特、巴港，就是我们今天上午法院向 Heaslop 船长（希斯洛普船长）提出那些问题时谈到的相同地点。\n\n答：一般来说，他会先告诉我。\n\n问：在南方，当您不在船上时——那是冬季大多数时候的情况，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：“南方”是指佛罗里达州吗？\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：佛罗里达州、巴哈马。\n\n答：在佛罗里达州时，我大多数时候都在那里。在巴哈马时，我不在那里，因为我不能离境。\n\n问：好的。因此，当 Lady May 停靠在\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 166 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n佛罗里达州时，那里就是您大多数时候居住的地方？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：郭女士，您提到，在 May 28, 2021，您与该船现有船员签署了若干份 NDA（保密协议），对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。您可能需要先解释一下 NDA 是什么。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您可以回答。\n\n答：我与我的每一名船员都签有 NDA。\n\n问：您是否已提交所有那些文件？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：在 May 28, 2021 之前，您是否与任何船员签有任何 NDA？\n\n答：我想是的。\n\n问：我向您说明，您的律师尚未提交任何该等文件。\n\n您是否知道是否存在任何该等 NDA；如果存在，在哪里？\n\n答：您可以问我的管理公司。\n\n问：那是哪家公司？\n\n答：Yachtzoo（游艇动物园）。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 167 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 167 页\n\n哦，抱歉。不只是这一家管理公司。有很多家。\n\n问：该游艇的其他管理公司是什么？\n\n答：曾有 Moran（莫兰）、Yachtzoo 和 Bergers（伯格斯）。期间，我们又换回了 Yachtzoo。我想一共有三家。\n\n问：除 May 28, 2021 的那些协议外，Hong Kong International 不保留任何那些协议的副本，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：您是否有现任船长签署的 NDA，即一份 NDA 协议的副本？\n\n答：我想我有。\n\n卢夫先生：律师，再次说明，我们尚未收到任何该等文件。如果该文件存在，我们要求予以提交。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：那么 Ivanov 先生——Ivanov 船长（伊万诺夫船长）呢？我们没有收到与他签署的任何 NDA 协议副本。\n\n您是否曾与他签署协议？\n\n答：我只是想确认一下。这位船长的名字\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 168 页，共\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 168 页\n\n叫 Lloyd（劳埃德）；对吗？因为我从来记不住他们的姓氏。\n\n问：这与他在法庭上的证言不符。\n\n答：是 Momchil（莫姆奇尔）吗？\n\n问：Momchil Ivanov（莫姆奇尔·伊万诺夫）。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您还提交了一份与 Phoenix Crew Ltd.（凤凰船员有限公司）签订的人员配备协议。\n\n您记得吗？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：除与该现有船员签署的 May 28, 2021 NDA、与 Phoenix Crew Ltd. 签订的 September 1, 2021 人员配备协议，以及 Hong Kong International 与 Lamp Capital 之间的协议外，我们没有收到任何其他由您代表 Hong Kong International 签署的文件。\n\n您是否知道是否存在任何其他此类文件？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不确定。\n\n卢夫先生询问：\n\n问：并且，为澄清起见，除截至 May 28, 2021 与船员签署的 NDA、Phoenix Crew Ltd. 之外，\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）- Worldwide Worldwide · 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 169 页，共\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n·2· 文件，以及我们作为证物4审阅过的 Hong Kong International（香港国际公司）与 Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）之间的协议，您是否知悉任何由您代表 Hong Kong International 签署的文件？\n\n·6· MR. VARTAN（瓦尔坦先生）：异议。\n\n·7· 答：我不确定。\n\n·8· 由 MR. LUFT（卢夫特先生）提问：\n\n·9· 问：好的。您记得 Lady May（梅夫人号）于2020年何时向南航行吗？\n\n10· 答：10月。\n\n12· 问：您记得是在10月的什么时候吗？\n\n13· 答：我不记得。\n\n14· 问：除了10月的某个时候以外，您是否有更具体的记忆？\n\n16· 答：我不记得。\n\n17· MR. LUFT：我将把一份 Justice Ostrager（奥斯特拉格法官）于 October 15, 2020 作出的裁决及命令副本标记为证物6，即 Mei Guo（郭美）证言证物6。\n\n21· （Mei Guo 证物6已于本日接收并标记供识别。）\n\n23· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n24· 问：Guo 女士，在我们等待该文件期间，从纽约驾船前往\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第170页\n\n·2· 佛罗里达州需要多长时间？\n\n·3· 答：完全取决于天气。\n\n·4· 问：大约多久？\n\n·5· 答：据我记得，有一次天气状况非常恶劣，他们可能花了两周时间。\n\n·8· 问：如果条件良好呢？\n\n·9· 答：这个我不知道。\n\n10· 问：Guo 女士，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n11· 答：请稍等。我看一下。\n\n12· 我不记得。\n\n13· 问：您是否记得曾看过这项命令，或曾由律师告知，Justice Ostrager 已命令 Kwok 先生和/或 Sherry-Netherland（谢里-内瑟兰酒店）住所及 Lady May 游艇的登记所有人不得对该等资产进行任何出售、让与、转让或干预，或完成任何此类交易？\n\n20· 答：我不记得曾看过这份文件。\n\n21· 问：Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国公司）在 October 15, 2020 时是 Lady May 的登记所有人，对吗？\n\n24· 答：您指的是 Hong Kong International USA，对吗？\n\nM. Guo 第171页\n\n·2· 问：是的，女士。\n\n·3· 答：是。\n\n·4· 问：您的律师是否告诉您，截至 October 15, 2020，有一项关于 Lady May 及对该资产进行任何干预的限制令适用于您？\n\n·8· MR. VARTAN：异议。律师，尚未确立这一点。\n\n10· MR. LUFT：事实上，我已经确立了。\n\n11· MR. VARTAN：不，你没有。而且我说的是 October 15, 2020。\n\n13· MR. LUFT：而且我们已确立 Mitchell 先生当时是她的律师，对吗？\n\n16· MR. VARTAN：不，你没有。\n\n17· MR. LUFT：哦，我的天啊。\n\n18· MR. VARTAN：你可以问她。\n\n19· MR. LUFT：我已经问过她了。记录中有。\n\n21· Vartan 先生，再一次，你在如何浪费时间方面的创造力令人惊叹。\n\n23· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n24· 问：Guo 女士，Mitchell 先生在2020年10月是您的律师，对吗？\n\nM. Guo 第172页\n\n·2· 答：我不记得。我无法清楚记得那些事。\n\n·4· 问：您认为自己当时没有律师吗？\n\n·6· 答：我不记得。\n\n·7· 问：您父亲或参与该诉讼的其他任何人是否告知您，您受一项影响您使用 Lady May 的法院命令约束？\n\n10· MR. VARTAN：异议。\n\n11· 答：没有。\n\n12· MR. LUFT：我将把 Justice Ostrager 的另一份裁决及命令标记为 Mei Guo 证物7，该命令日期为 March 16, 2021。\n\n16· （Mei Guo 证物7已于本日接收并标记供识别。）\n\n18· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n19· 问：Guo 女士，在 March 17, 2021 当日或之后，您是否记得曾被告知存在一项藐视法庭命令，规定在 May 15, 2021 之后，游艇每在本法院管辖范围以外一天，被告 Kwok 将被罚款 \\$500,000？\n\n24· 答：我知道那件事。\n\n25· 问：而且您知道——您是在何时得知\n\nM. Guo 第173页\n\n·2· 此事的？\n\n·3· 答：我不记得。\n\n·4· 问：您是否得知下一行内容，即法院还命令，与该游艇所有权和控制权有关的其他限制继续有效？\n\n·8· 答：我不记得。\n\n·9· 问：您在宣誓书中称，您的律师使您知悉法院的命令，对吗？\n\n11· 答：是。\n\n12· 问：那位律师是谁？\n\n13· 答：Lee（李）。\n\n14· 问：Vartan 先生。\n\n15· 您接着说：\n\n16· “我不希望该船前往纽约，并且在咨询律师后，我改为指示其前往欧洲，此前早已计划前往欧洲，并已为此花费巨额费用。”\n\n21· 关于指示该船前往欧洲，您咨询的是哪位律师？\n\n23· 答：Lee。\n\n24· 问：您再次指的是 Vartan 先生，也就是指示——向您提供建议的那位律师\n\nCase 22-50073 文件 1529 于 03/09/23 提交，于 03/09/23 12:00:00 登记 第174页，共210页\n\nM. Guo\n\n·2· 就在知悉法院命令要求将该船送回纽约的情况下前往欧洲一事，向您提供建议的律师？\n\n·5· MR. VARTAN：异议。\n\n·6· 答：当时他是我的律师。\n\n·7· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n·8· 问：他是向您提供该建议的律师吗？\n\n·9· 答：是。\n\n10· 问：因此，为明确起见，您知道，如 Lady May 未在 May 15, 2021 前返回纽约，您的父亲将每天被处以 \\$500,000 的罚款；但作为回应，您咨询了律师，并改为指示 Lady May 前往欧洲；对吗？\n\n16· 答：是。\n\n17· 问：您记得 Lady May 在2021年冬季——无论是在1月、2月还是3月——进行的维修何时完成吗？\n\n21· 答：我不记得细节。\n\n22· 问：您对该等维修何时完成的最佳记忆是什么？\n\n24· 答：2021年。我确实不记得。\n\n25· 问：但如您在第15段所述，是在那些\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 文件 1529 于 03/09/23 提交，于 03/09/23 12:00:00 登记 第175页，共\n\nM. Guo\n\n·2· 维修完成后，您弟弟才询问他是否可以在欧洲使用 Lady May，对吗？\n\n·4· MR. VARTAN：您看的是 Guo 1，第15段吗？\n\n·6· MR. LUFT：我只是在问她。\n\n·7· MR. VARTAN：你说了第15段。再说一次，我希望她知道你正在从哪里读。\n\n·9· MR. LUFT：好的，Vartan 先生。\n\n10· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n11· 问：请继续，Guo 女士。\n\n12· MR. VARTAN：看 Guo 1，第15段。\n\n13· 答：请稍等。\n\n14· MR. LUFT：这是您的宣誓书。\n\n15· 我们再次在记录中浪费时间，因为您的律师想向您出示文件。\n\n18· MR. VARTAN：我只是要请你参照你的问题。你说——\n\n20· MR. LUFT：Vartan 先生，我是在帮她定位。\n\n22· MR. VARTAN：但如你所说——\n\n23· MR. LUFT：这是她的证言。\n\n24· MR. VARTAN：对，但你说“如你在第15段所述”，因此公平起见，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo\n\n·2· 她应能查阅该文件。\n\n·3· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n·4· 问：Guo 女士，您告诉我 Vartan 先生起草了您的宣誓书。他似乎非常担心您不熟悉其中的事实。\n\n·7· 您在签署该宣誓书前是否审阅过？\n\n·9· MR. VARTAN：你不必回答那个问题。\n\n11· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n12· 问：不，你必须回答。\n\n13· 答：是，我当然审阅过。只是我的律师知道我的记忆力不好。\n\n15· 问：既然您现在已经把它放在面前，您是否记得您曾作出如下宣誓陈述：\n\n17· “Lady May 接受了必要的检查和维护，完成后，我居住在欧洲的弟弟询问他是否可以使用该游艇”？\n\n22· 答：是，正确。\n\n23· 问：如我们讨论过的，您知道我们一直在查看的 February 2, 2022 听证会笔录，是基于\n\nCase 22-50073 文件 1529 于 03/09/23 提交，于 03/09/23 12:00:00 登记 第177页，共210页\n\nM. Guo 第177页\n\n·2· 上诉分庭为解决关于 Lady May 所有权和控制权争议而举行证据听证会的指示，对吗？\n\n·5· MR. VARTAN：异议。\n\n·6· 答：我知道。\n\n·7· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n·8· 问：您说过，您在冬季把 Lady May 开到佛罗里达州和巴哈马，对吗？\n\n10· 答：是。\n\n11· 问：您曾把它开到开曼群岛进行维修或登记吗？\n\n13· 答：开曼群岛在哪里？\n\n14· 问：您曾把它开到英属维尔京群岛进行维修或登记吗？\n\n16· 答：那些岛屿在哪里？\n\n17· 问：在针对您父亲的 PAX 诉讼中，您是否曾就此与 BakerHostetler（贝克霍斯特特勒律师事务所）的任何人进行沟通？\n\n20· 答：我不记得。\n\n21· 问：Guo 女士，您为什么同意让 Lady May 从欧洲返回美国？\n\n23· 答：因为如果该船仍未返回，看来我父亲的生命会受到威胁。而且看来该船被用作\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 文件 1529 于 03/09/23 提交，于 03/09/23 12:00:00 登记 第178页，共210页\n\nM. Guo 第178页\n\n·2· 保障我父亲安全的工具。\n\n·3· 问：您是否曾想过在他已累积 \\$130 million 罚款之前更早这样做？\n\n·5· MR. VARTAN：异议，带有争辩性。\n\n·6· 由 MR. LUFT 提问：\n\n·7· 问：嗯，我只是在问。\n\n·8· 答：没有。\n\n·9· 问：您是否知道，作为您父亲向破产法院提出的计划的一部分，Lady May 被提议予以分配或出售，并将其价值分配给您父亲破产财产的债权人？\n\n14· 答：是。我从我的律师那里听说过。\n\n15· 问：在提议将 Lady May 用于清偿您父亲的债权人之前，是否曾征询您的意见？\n\n17· 答：您记得什么——或者，抱歉，您是什么意思？您可以再问一遍吗？\n\n19· 问：在 Lady May 被纳入您父亲所提破产计划、作为其价值可分配给债权人的资产之前，是否有人征询您的意见，以了解您是否同意交出 Lady May 并允许将其用于清偿您父亲的债权人？\n\n25· 答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 文件 1529 于 03/09/23 提交，于 03/09/23 12:00:00 登记 第179页，共210页\n\nM. Guo 第179页\n\n问：是谁向你谈起此事的？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：是谁？\n\n答：我记不太清楚。\n\n问：这应该就是刚过去的这个春天。就你父亲在刚过去这个春天的破产事宜而言，谁是你的律师？\n\n答：我确实记不起来。\n\n问：Vartan（瓦尔坦）先生不是你的破产律师，对吗？\n\n答：他是我的律师。\n\n问：但在 2022 年 4 月，就破产事宜而言，他不是你的律师，对吗？\n\n答：对。他不是。\n\n问：你是否记得，哪位律师曾与你谈及将 Lady May（“Lady May”号）作为资产纳入，以供你父亲分配给其债权人的可能性？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：你父亲是否曾与你谈及使用 Lady May 偿付其债权人？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你母亲是否曾与你谈及使用 Lady May 偿付你父亲的债权人？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭梅） 第 180 页\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Brown Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克）律师事务所是否曾有人就使用 Lady May 偿付 Kwok（郭文贵）先生的债权人一事与你交谈？\n\n答：您能重复一下该律师事务所的名称吗？\n\n问：Brown Rudnick。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：作为该计划的一部分，你今天是否会同意使用 Lady May 偿付你父亲的债权人？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：今天与我此前表示同意时有什么区别？我不太明白您的问题。\n\nLUFT（卢夫特）先生：\n\n问：这并不是谜语，Guo 女士。我之所以问你，是因为我必须分阶段询问。我当时问过。\n\n所以我今天问你，你是否会同意将 Lady May 作为一项资产，用于作为一项计划、一项 Chapter 11 计划的一部分，偿付你父亲的债权人？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1529 提交于 03/09/23 录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 181 页，共 210 页\n\n第 181 页 M. Guo\n\n答：为了我父亲的安全，我同意。\n\nLUFT 先生：\n\n问：Guo 女士，我想我之前问过你，你是否曾出席过任何破产法院的听证会。\n\n你记得吗？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：我相信你告诉过我，你没有出席过那些听证会中的任何一次，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：这是否包括——我这么说时，是指线上听证会和现场听证会两者？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：那么你是否曾——你是否曾旁听过你父亲破产案件中的任何破产法院听证会？\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT 先生：我们休息一会儿吧。\n\nVARTAN 先生：好的。\n\n录像员：现在是下午 6:06。我们暂停记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1529 提交于 03/09/23 录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 182 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo 第 182 页\n\n录像员：现在是下午 6:28。我们恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 先生：\n\n问：Guo 女士，我想问你——我们谈过该船返回美国一事。\n\n我现在想问你——4 月 13 日，破产法院举行了一次听证会，会上提出了有关提供一项金额相当于该船价值、约 \\$37 million 的保证金的问题。\n\n你熟悉那次听证会吗？\n\n答：熟悉。\n\n问：你最初是在何时得知 Hong Kong International（香港国际）可能必须提供该保证金的？\n\n答：就在当天。\n\n问：你是如何得知的？\n\n答：我接到了我的律师打来的电话。\n\n问：那位律师是谁？\n\n答：Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）。\n\nLUFT 先生：Aaron Mitchell？她说的是这个名字吗？\n\n口译员：Aaron Mitchell。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 183 页 M. Guo\n\nLUFT 先生：\n\n问：你曾就此问题与 Mitchell 先生交谈？\n\n答：您指的是什么问题，去法院吗？不，我是说那次听证会？\n\n问：让我退一步说。\n\n当时，Mitchell 先生是你的律师，同时也是你父亲的律师，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：Mitchell 先生在那通电话中对你说了什么？\n\nVARTAN 先生：我只是要提醒一下，现在这涉及你与律师之间的谈话。\n\n因此，我假定你并不是在寻求受特权保护的信息。\n\nLUFT 先生：不，我是在寻求，因为该特权已被放弃。它归受托人所有，法院已裁定，Kwok 先生的律师与任何其他人之间的任何共同辩护通信和共同利益通信均归受托人所有。\n\nVARTAN 先生：他是以她的律师身份行事。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1529 提交于 03/09/23 录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 184 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo\n\nLUFT 先生：也是 Kwok 先生的律师。\n\nROMNEY（罗姆尼）先生：我在整个这次证言录取过程中一直很少发言，但我参与了那个过程。\n\n那是 Aaron Mitchell 以 Mei（郭梅）和 HK（香港国际）的律师身份所作的通信。债务人并未在场参与该通信。\n\n我们指示证人不得披露该等通信。\n\nLUFT 先生：我不明白这一异议。Kwok 先生在该等通信发生时是否在场并不重要。\n\nMitchell 先生出席了一次听证会，在该听证会上他同时担任 Kwok 先生的律师——事实上，他当时确实如此——我想也是 Guo 女士的律师。她另有一位仅代表她的律师。她与父亲共用的律师与她交谈了。\n\n法院命令明确规定，与被告之间的任何共同利益通信和共同辩护通信均归受托人所有，受托人有权知悉。因此，我看不出你们以特权为由提出异议有任何依据。\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1529 提交于 03/09/23 录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 185 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo 第 185 页\n\nROMNEY 先生：那不是共同利益特权通信。那是律师—当事人特权通信。你可以向法官提出该论点。我们将向法官提出我们的论点，然后法官将作出裁决。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。所有共同利益通信和共同辩护通信都是律师—当事人通信。要构成共同辩护和共同利益通信，必须先有律师—当事人通信。\n\n如果你愿意，我们可以暂停记录，你可以与 Mitchell 先生谈谈，但我不明白，当他代表 Kwok 先生并就与其有关的问题进行谈话时，你怎么会告诉我，他用来谈话的那部分大脑不属于共同的。\n\nROMNEY 先生：法律并非如此。一名律师代表两名当事人时，在其分别与其中任一当事人交谈时，并非在进行共同利益特权通信。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1529 提交于 03/09/23 录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 186 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo 第 186 页\n\nLUFT 先生：就影响他们两人的问题而言。\n\nROMNEY 先生：我们尊重地不同意你对此的看法；如有必要，法院将对此作出处理。\n\nLUFT 先生：你是否指示她不要回答？\n\nVARTAN 先生：是。你说你正在询问受特权保护的通信。\n\nLUFT 先生：我是在询问她与 Mitchell 先生之间的通信。Pin（潘）先生现拥有该特权。\n\nVARTAN 先生：他并不拥有她的特权。她不是债务人。\n\nLUFT 先生：你是否知道本案中的特权命令是如何规定的？\n\nVARTAN 先生：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\nVARTAN 先生：她不是债务人。\n\nLUFT 先生：也许你我不应该讨论此事。\n\nROMNEY 先生：这就是我今天首次在记录中发言的原因。因为我是代表债务人协商该命令的人。我非常熟悉它。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo 第 187 页\n\n我同意你对该命令的描述。我不同意你将该通信描述为共同利益特权通信。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。我只是提问。\n\n所以你是指示她不要回答？\n\nVARTAN 先生：正确。\n\nLUFT 先生：\n\n问：你会遵从你律师的指示吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。我们将保留就该问题重新开启证言录取或就该问题维持证言录取开放的权利。\n\nVARTAN 先生：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生：\n\n问：Mitchell 先生是否曾与你有过任何通信——\n\nLUFT 先生：那么，我的理解是否正确，即使他也是 Kwok 先生的律师，并在那次听证会上担任 Kwok 先生的律师，我也不得询问她 Mitchell 先生与她讨论过的任何事项？\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1529 提交于 03/09/23 录入于 03/09/23 12:00:00 第 188 页，共 210 页\n\nM. Guo 第 188 页\n\nVARTAN 先生：正确。\n\nLUFT 先生：\n\n问：在你与 Mitchell 先生交谈后，你做了什么？\n\n答：我打了一个电话。\n\n问：你给谁打电话？\n\n答：第一个电话？\n\n问：是。从第一个开始。\n\n答：William（威廉）叔叔。\n\n问：William 叔叔是谁？\n\n答：他是一位我们认识很多很多年的家庭朋友。我称他为“叔叔”。\n\n问：William 叔叔有姓氏吗？\n\n答：中文是 Yu，Y-U。\n\n问：英语中，是否发音为 William “Je”？\n\n答：我想是。\n\n问：你对 William 叔叔说了什么？\n\n答：我告诉他当时的情况，并说我需要借一些钱，否则我父亲将面临安全风险。\n\n问：你告诉他当时的情况是什么？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第189页\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\n问：在该船返回之前，我需要借款 \\$37 million。该船一旦返回，款项就会偿还。\n\n问：您还告诉了他其他任何事情吗？\n\n我将请您尽可能详细地回忆，您在那次电话中对 Je 先生说过的每一句话，以及他对您说过的每一句话。\n\n答：当天，我在极度恐惧的情况下拨打了这个电话。我记不起很多细节。这只是我现在记得的信息。\n\n问：您是否记得与 William Je（威廉·杰）通话的其他任何情况？\n\n答：我记得他答应了我。\n\n问：是的，即他会借给您 \\$37 million？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：他还说了其他任何事情吗？\n\n答：他两次确认，以确保这笔钱只是暂时放在那里，类似于过桥资金。我说是。因此他很快就同意了。\n\n问：您是否记得电话中包括的其他任何条款或细节？\n\n答：不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\n问：您是否记得曾就是否必须将该笔款项用于支付船舶维修费用进行过任何讨论？\n\n答：那天我非常惊慌。所以没有。\n\n问：不，您是不记得，还是您没有讨论该笔款项必须用于支付 Lady May（“Lady May”号）维修费用这一事实？\n\n答：在那次电话中，没有。\n\n问：再次问一下，那个“没有”指的是什么？是不，您不记得是否说过，还是不，您没有讨论维修问题？\n\n答：我没有讨论维修问题。\n\n问：您是否讨论过这笔贷款是否会收取利息？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：除您和 William 叔叔外，当时还有其他人在电话中吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否随手就有 Je 先生的电话号码？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您如何取得 Je 先生的电话号码？\n\n答：我一直有他的号码。\n\n问：除 Je 先生外，您是否与其他任何人谈过取得该笔贷款一事？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第191页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：挂断电话后——您与 Je 先生的通话持续了多久？\n\n答：大概只有五六分钟。\n\n问：关于那次电话，是否还有任何您尚未告诉我的、您记得的事情？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：与 Je 先生挂断电话后，您接着做了什么？\n\n答：我喝了一杯酒。\n\n问：您喝完酒之后。\n\n让我问一下：您在哪里喝的酒？听起来不错。您现在喝一杯吧。\n\n答：在我自己家里。\n\n问：所以，您接到电话时是在家里？\n\n核对口译员：您说的是“拨打”电话，还是“接到”电话？\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特先生）：我说的是拨打电话，不过——拨打电话。\n\nLUFT 先生问：\n\n问：您喝完酒后，做了什么？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第192页，共210页\n\n第192页\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\n答：我不记得。我那一整天都非常焦虑。\n\n问：您是否记得，在第一次与 Je 先生通话后，当天还做过其他任何事情？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得，您是否回电给 Mitchell 先生（米切尔先生）并告诉他您获得了贷款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得，您是否与任何人交谈以告诉他们您获得了贷款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您知道其他人会如何得知——除您和 Je 先生外，是否会有任何人知道您获得了贷款？\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生问：\n\n问：好的。4月13日，除与 Je 先生的那一次电话以及在您与 Je 先生通话前 Mitchell 先生最初打给您的电话外，您是否曾就该话题与任何人交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得，下一次就该话题与任何人交谈是在何时？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第193页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭某） 第193页\n\n问：您下一次就该话题与任何人交谈是在何时？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：关于 \\$37 million 贷款及其条款这一话题，除我们讨论过的您与 Je 先生的那次电话，以及您在与 Je 先生通话前与 Mitchell 先生进行的最初电话外，您是否记得曾与任何其他人进行过任何谈话？\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：除她的律师外？\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特先生）：不是。我的问题不包括您的问题。\n\nLUFT 先生问：\n\n问：您可以回答。\n\n答：我不记得确切时间，但我确实与我的律师交谈过。\n\n问：您何时与您的律师交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您与谁交谈？\n\n答：我想可能是来自 Connecticut（康涅狄格州）的律师，但我不记得。\n\n问：您后来是否还曾就该话题与 Mitchell 先生交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否熟悉该 \\$37 million 贷款的条款？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭某） 第194页\n\n问：您是否熟悉该 \\$37 million 贷款的条款？\n\n答：是的。我读过这些条款。\n\n问：您最初与 Je 先生交谈时，他是否告诉您将由哪个实体向您提供贷款？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否记得，最初贷款将来自 ACA Capital（ACA 资本）？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您的父亲曾与 ACA Capital 合作过，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生问：\n\n问：您是否参与协商贷款协议的任何条款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您不记得自己是否参与过 \\$37 million 贷款协议的任何谈判？\n\n答：是的。我的律师参与了。\n\n问：您的律师是否告知您，最初您不应当——我撤回这个问题。\n\n郭女士，您是否知道，根据协议的最终条款，您个人对担保 \\$37 million 贷款承担责任？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第195页，共\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\n问：根据协议的最终条款，您个人对担保 \\$37 million 贷款承担责任？\n\n答：我知道。\n\n问：您是否知道，在协议的早期版本中，该贷款将由 Lady May（“Lady May”号）担保，而非由您本人亲自担保？\n\n答：是的，我记得。\n\n问：为何作出该项变更？\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：如果这要求她披露与律师的谈话，那么再一次，她不能回答。\n\n答：基于律师的建议。\n\nLUFT 先生问：\n\n问：所以，律师建议您亲自担保该贷款？\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：我指示您不要回答。该问题要求披露受特权保护的信息。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特先生）：我只是在澄清她的回答。我只是想了解她所说的话。\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：您问她她的律师向她提出了什么建议。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特先生）：没有。她告诉我“基于律师的建议”。我只是想确保我理解她的回答。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第196页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：对。我指示她不要回答。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特先生）：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生问：\n\n问：您将遵从律师的建议？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：谁协商了该贷款的利率？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：您同意支付该利率，即每月 3 percent？\n\n答：是的，我同意。\n\n问：而 \\$37 million，大约是每月 \\$1.1 million，对吗？\n\n答：大概是。我没有计算。\n\n问：您打算用什么资金支付每月 \\$1.1 million 的利息？\n\n答：当我同意这项安排时，我实际上并不认为自己会需要付款，因为我非常确信该船会按时回来，款项会回到该账户中。\n\n而且判决很好。我从未预料到我会需要支付该笔款项。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第197页，共\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\n答：我从未预料到我会需要支付该笔款项。\n\n问：您没有预期在该船返回美国与可以将款项返还给贷款人之间会有任何一段时间？\n\n答：当时，我只有几天时间来借款并签署文件。我并没有认真考虑那么多。\n\n问：修理该船所需的资金呢？那将从何而来？\n\n答：保险会支付其中一部分。我哥哥会替我支付其中一部分。\n\n问：Je 先生是否曾告诉您，他将每月向您收取一百万美元，以供您借用该笔资金？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否曾考虑查看是否有人会向您收取较低的高利贷利率？\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：异议。\n\n答：您能重复一下该问题吗？我不明白。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n第198页\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特先生）问：\n\n问：当然。\n\n您是否曾查看是否有人会以低于每月 3 percent 的利率向您出借该笔资金？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您知道是否有任何其他人曾联系除 Je 先生外的任何其他贷款人来提供该笔资金吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾问过您的哥哥，他是否会借给您资金，以支付与您父亲破产有关的保证金？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：在 Je 先生向您出借 \\$37 million 之前，您是否必须向他提供任何尽职调查文件？\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦先生）：对“尽职调查文件”提出异议。我不知道该定义是否明确。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT 先生问：\n\n问：Je 先生在未查看任何尽职调查资料的情况下向您提供的 \\$37 million 贷款——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1529 提交日期 03/09/23 录入日期 03/09/23 12:00:00 第199页，共210页\n\nM. Guo（郭某）\n\n·2· ·文件并无担保，对吗？\n·3· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n·4· · · · 答：我不太明白“无担保”是什么意思。\n·5·\n·6· · · · 路夫特先生问：\n·7· · · · 问：谢先生并未就其贷款取得任何担保权益，\n·8· ·对吗？\n·9· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：同样异议。我不知道\n10· · · · 她是否知道“担保权益”是什么意思。\n11· · · · · · ·口译员：口译员对\n12· · · · 担保权益不太确定，因此我们正在讨论\n13· · · · “担保权益”的适当译法。\n14·\n15· · · · · · ·路夫特先生：“担保\n16· · · · 权益”怎么说？\n17· · · · · · ·宋女士：在什么语境下？\n18· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：我不知道担保\n19· · · · 权益是否意味着留置权。如果你想问\n20· · · · 留置权，那就问留置权。\n21· · · · · · ·核对口译员：这像是一种附表\n22· · · · 或担保吗？\n23· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：对。我会认为\n24· · · · 个人保证属于担保权益。\n25· · · · · · ·路夫特先生：不是。我相信蔡斯勒先生会\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 200 of 210\n\n第200页 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美\n·2· · · · 告诉你那不是——\n·3· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：我不是破产\n·4· · · · 律师。\n·5· · · · · · ·路夫特先生：这就是为什么我建议你\n·6· · · · 不要插话。\n·7· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：我是在提供我这个非破产\n·8· · · · 领域人士的看法。\n·9· · · · · · ·罗姆尼先生：个人保证\n10· · · · 大概是担保。它不是担保\n11· · · · 权益。留置权是一种担保\n12· · · · 权益，但不是唯一的一种。\n13· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：我对了一半。现在是\n14· · · · 7:00。\n15· · · · · · ·路夫特先生：我不知道是否是\n16· · · · 一半。\n17· · · · · · ·口译员：我正在向证人解释\n18· · · · 该术语的译法。\n19· · · · 答：所以您是在问我是否存在\n20· ·担保权益；是这样吗？\n21· ·路夫特先生问：\n22· · · · 问：不如这样——我重复一下我的\n23· ·问题。\n24· · · · 答：谢谢。\n25· · · · 问：以及谢先生向您提供的贷款，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 201 of 210\n\n第201页 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美\n·2· ·$37 million，且未查看任何尽职调查\n·3· ·文件，是无担保的，对吗？\n·4· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：同样异议。\n·5· · · · 答：我认为，对他而言，担保是\n·6· ·我们确信并告诉他，一旦该游艇\n·7· ·回来，款项就会回来。这就是\n·8· ·担保。\n·9· ·路夫特先生问：\n10· · · · 问：好的。就该贷款而言，您是否向\n11· ·谢先生提供过任何了解你的客户文件？\n12·\n13· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n14· · · · 答：我不知道那是什么。\n15· ·路夫特先生问：\n16· · · · 问：您是否阅读过贷款\n17· ·协议的条款？\n18· · · · 那么，贷款协议是哪一方与\n19· ·Hong Kong International funds（香港国际基金）订立的？\n20· · · · 答：我读过条款。那是与\n21· ·Himalaya Financial Group（喜马拉雅金融集团）订立的。我不知道有关\n22· ·中国方面的情况。\n23· · · · 问：Himalaya Financial Group从事\n24· ·什么业务？\n25· · · · 答：我不知道。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 202 of\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美\n·2· · · · 问：您是否了解他们发行——您是否\n·3· ·了解他们发行加密货币？\n·4· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n·5· · · · 答：我不知道。\n·6· ·路夫特先生问：\n·7· · · · 问：您是否曾听说过H Coin？\n·8· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n·9· · · · 答：是。\n10· ·路夫特先生问：\n11· · · · 问：您是否知道Himalaya Financial\n12· ·与H Coin有关联？\n13· · · · 答：我不知道。\n14· · · · 问：您的父亲参与H Coin，\n15· ·对吗？\n16· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n17· · · · 答：我不知道。\n18· ·路夫特先生问：\n19· · · · 问：您是否听过您父亲的歌曲，\n20· ·“H Coin to the Moon”？\n21· · · · 答：我不确定。\n22· · · · 问：您想让我给您看视频吗？\n23· · · · 答：好的。\n24· · · · 问：好的。证言记录结束后，我会\n25· ·给您看。那很好。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美\n\n·2· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：我不知道我们是否会在\n·3· · · · 证言记录结束后留下来，但我们可以\n·4· · · · 继续。\n·5· ·路夫特先生问：\n·6· · · · 问：事实上，您的父亲与William Je（谢威廉）先生有着长期的\n·7· ·业务往来，\n·8· ·对吗？\n·9· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n10· · · · 答：我不知道。\n11· ·路夫特先生问：\n12· · · · 问：您知道谢先生与\n13· ·ACA Capital有关联，对吗？\n14· · · · 答：我想是的，大概。\n15· · · · 问：您知道您的父亲与\n16· ·ACA Capital有关联，对吗？\n17· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n18· · · · 答：我不知道。\n19· · · · · · ·路夫特先生：我将要求法庭\n20· · · · 书记员将一份《经约定的命令：强制HK International\n21· · · · Funds Investments Limited（香港国际基金投资有限公司）运输并\n22· · · · 交付特定游艇\n23· · · · Lady May》标记为证物8。\n24· · · · · · ·（郭美证物8已于本日接收并标记\n25· · · · 供识别。）\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美 第204页\n\n·2· ·路夫特先生问：\n·3· · · · 问：郭女士，您认得这份文件吗？\n·4· · · · 答：我不记得。\n·5· · · · 问：您是否记得曾经阅读过这份\n·6· ·文件？\n·7· · · · 答：给我一些时间。我需要读一下。\n·8· · · · 问：当然。\n·9· · · · 答：我对此有些印象。\n10· · · · 问：您是否参与协商这份\n11· ·协议？\n12· · · · 答：我不记得。\n13· · · · 问：对于与该\n14· ·协议有关的谈判，您是否有任何亲身了解？\n15·\n16· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n17· · · · 答：亲身了解，对吗？\n18· ·路夫特先生问：\n19· · · · 问：是。\n20· · · · 答：我不记得。\n21· · · · 问：谁代表\n22· ·Hong Kong International协商这份协议？\n23· · · · 答：我的律师。\n24· · · · 问：是谁？\n25· · · · 答：我想是一名来自康涅狄格州的律师。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 205 of 210\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美 第205页\n\n·2· · · · 问：您知道是哪一位吗？\n·3· · · · 答：我不记得。\n·4· · · · 问：您是否记得他在协商期间\n·5· ·与您讨论过该协议的条款？\n·6· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：只需回答是或否。\n·7· · · · 答：是。\n·8· ·路夫特先生问：\n·9· · · · 问：他在协商这份协议期间与\n10· ·您有过多少次交谈？\n11· · · · 答：我不记得。\n12· · · · 问：今天早些时候，我曾问您除Hong Kong\n13· ·International之外您拥有的其他实体。您告诉我，您无法记得\n14· ·其中任何一个的名称。\n15·\n16· · · · 您记得该证言吗？\n17· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：歪曲证言。\n18· · · · 答：是，我记得。\n19· ·路夫特先生问：\n20· · · · 问：我再问您同样的问题。\n21· · · · 除Hong Kong International之外，是否还有\n22· ·您担任董事的任何实体？\n23· · · · · · ·瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n24· · · · 答：我确实不记得。\n25· · · · · · ·路夫特先生：好的。我们不如休息一下，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 206 of 210\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · ·郭美 第206页\n\n·2· ·看看我们是否快结束了。\n·3· · · · 瓦尔坦先生：我们还剩多少时间？\n·4·\n·5· · · · 摄像师：您想先停止记录吗？\n·6·\n·7· · · · 瓦尔坦先生：请。\n·8· · · · 摄像师：现在是晚上7:13。我们\n·9· ·停止记录。\n10· · · · （休庭。）\n11· · · · 摄像师：现在是晚上7:31。我们\n12· ·恢复记录。\n13· · · · 路夫特先生：郭女士，鉴于我在整个过程中所述的理由，\n14· ·我将保留本次证言记录，不予结束，\n15· ·即您的律师指示您不要回答非特权问题、\n16· ·不当的特权问题、提出异议，以及\n17· ·缺失的文件和我提出的其他\n18· ·理由。\n19·\n20· · · · 除此之外，我目前没有进一步的问题\n21· ·要问您。\n22· · · · 证人：好的。\n23· · · · 路夫特先生：谢谢您，郭女士。\n24· · · · 证人：谢谢。\n25· · · · 瓦尔坦先生：谢谢。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1529 Filed 03/09/23 Entered 03/09/23 12:00:00 Page 207 of\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美 第207页\n·2· · · · · · ·证人：谢谢大家。\n·3· · · · · · ·摄像师：现在是晚上7:32。我们\n·4· · · · 停止记录。\n\n·6· · · · · · ·（记录时间：晚上7:32。）\n\n·5\n\n·7\n\n·8\n\n·9\n\n11· · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________\n12· · · · · · · · · · · ·郭美\n\n14· ·于2022年\n15· ·本月 日\n16· ·在本人面前签署并宣誓。\n17· ·_______________________\n\n24 25\n\n·1 第208页\n\n·2· · · · · · · · · · ·目 录\n·3· ·路夫特先生·································6\n·4\n·5· · · · · · · · · · ·证 据\n·6· · · · · · ·（由法庭书记员保管）\n·7· ·证言记录·········证物····················页码\n·8· ·证物1··郭美的宣誓书······················87\n·9· ·证物2··2-2-22听证会记录··················92\n10· ·证物3··Lady May船舶登记证书··············128\n11· ·证物4··日期为June 7, 2021的信函··········141\n12· ·证物5··日期为May 7, 2021的管理和运营协议··153\n13· ·证物6··裁定及命令，October 15, 2020······169\n14· ·证物7··裁定及命令，March 16, 2021········172\n15· ·证物8··经约定的命令······················204\n\n17· · ·拒绝回答的指示························10· ·9\n18· · ·拒绝回答的指示························20· ·15\n· · ·拒绝回答的指示························25· ·13\n19· · ·拒绝回答的指示························28· ·22\n· · ·拒绝回答的指示························39· ·19\n20· · ·拒绝回答的指示························116· ·10\n· · ·拒绝回答的指示························187· ·10\n21· · ·拒绝回答的指示························195· ·17\n\n第209页 ·1\n·2\n·3· · · · · · · · · · · ·证明书\n·4\n·5· ·纽约州· )\n·6· · · · · · · · · · · ：· ss\n·7· · · · · · ·本人，Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M.·肖-克罗克特），纽约州、新泽西州及康涅狄格州\n·8· ·法庭认证书记员、注册优异书记员及公证人，\n·9· ·特此证明：\n10·\n11· · · · · · ·本文件所载证言记录中的证人郭美，已由本人依法宣誓，\n12· ·且该证言记录为该\n13· ·证人所作证言的真实记录。\n14·\n15· · · · · · ·本人进一步证明，本人与本案任何\n16· ·当事人均无血缘或婚姻关系，且本人\n17· ·对本案结果不具有任何利害关系。\n18· · · · · · ·兹证明，本人于2023年January 23rd日\n19· ·在此签名。\n20\n21· · · · · · ·----------------------------------------\n· · · · · · · ·Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M.·肖-克罗克特），CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR\n22· · · · · · ·执照编号XI00218400\n23\n24\n25\n\n1· · · · · · · · · · 更正表\nENGLISH\n\n2· 案件名称：\n3· 证词记录日期：\n4· 证人：\n5· 页码· 现载内容· · ·应改为· 原因\n6· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n7· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n8· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n9· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n10· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n11· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n12· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n13· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n14· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n15· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n16· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n17· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n18· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n19· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________\n20· · · · · · · · · · · · · _____________________\n· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 证人签名\n\n22· 在本人面前签署并宣誓\n23· 于2023年__________日。\n24· ____________________\n25· （公证人）· ·本人委任期限届满日期：__________","key_entities":["Guo","Je","Kwok","Himalaya","Despins","Ho Wan Kwok","Paul Hastings","William Je","Chinese Communist Party","CIPA"],"ecf_references":[],"word_count":62623,"status":"published","published_at":"2023-03-09 00:00:00","created_at":"2023-03-09","updated_at":"2026-08-23 23:20:56"}