{"id":"court_ctb_1604_40","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":1604,"sub_number":40,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2023-03-27","title":"Exhibit 40 | ·1 | | Page 1 |","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **Exhibit 40**\n\n| ·1 | | Page 1 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · · DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · · · · BRIDGEPORT DIVISION | |\n| | ·5· · · · · ·Chapter 11 Case No. 22-50073 (JAM) | |\n| | ·6· ·----------------------------------------x | |\n| | ·7· ·In Re: | |\n| | ·8· · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · · · · · · · ·Debtor. | |\n| | 10· ·----------------------------------------x | |\n| 11 | | |\n| | 12· ·REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MARGARET E. CONBOY | |\n| | 13· · · · · · · ·Tuesday, February 21, 2023 | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 16 | | |\n| 17 | | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| | 22· ·Reported by: | |\n| | 23· ·Amy A. Rivera, CSR, RPR, CLR | |\n| 24 | | |\n| | 25· ·JOB NO. 222606 | |\n\n| ·1 | | Page 2 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · February 21, 2023 | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 10:13 a.m. | |\n| ·4 | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · REMOTE videotaped deposition of | |\n| | ·6· ·MARGARET E. CONBOY held pursuant to Notice, before | |\n| | ·7· ·Amy A. Rivera, Certified Shorthand Reporter, | |\n| | ·8· ·Registered Professional Reporter, Certified LiveNote | |\n| | ·9· ·Reporter, and a Notary Public of the State of New | |\n| | 10· ·Jersey. | |\n| 11 | | |\n| 12 | | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 16 | | |\n| 17 | | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1 | | Page 3 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------|--------|\n| | ·2· ·R E M O T E· ·A P P E A R A N C E S: | |\n| | ·3· ·Paul Hastings | |\n| | ·4· ·Attorneys for TRUSTEE | |\n| | ·5· · · · 200 Park Avenue | |\n| | ·6· · · · New York, NY 10166 | |\n| | ·7· ·BY:· Avram Luft, Esq. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Douglass Barron, Esq. | |\n| ·9 | | |\n| | 10· ·Whitman Breed Abbott & Morgan | |\n| | 11· ·Attorneys for the Witness | |\n| | 12· · · · 500 West Putnam Avenue | |\n| | 13· · · · Greenwich, CT 06830 | |\n| | 14· ·BY:· Michael Thomason, Esq. | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 16 | | |\n| | 17· ·ALSO PRESENT: | |\n| | 18· · · · Jonathan Popham, Videographer | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 4 |\n|---------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Good morning, | |\n| ·3· ·Counselors. | |\n| ·4· · · · ·My name is Jonathan Popham.· I'm a | |\n| ·5· ·legal videographer in association with TSG | |\n| ·6· ·Reporting, Incorporated. | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Because this is a remote deposition, I | |\n| ·8· ·will not be in the same room with the | |\n| ·9· ·witness.· Instead, I will record this video | |\n| 10· ·deposition remotely. | |\n| 11· · · · ·The court reporter, Amy Rivera, also | |\n| 12· ·will not be in the same room and will swear | |\n| 13· ·the witness remotely. | |\n| 14· · · · ·Do all parties stipulate to the | |\n| 15· ·validity of this video recording and remote | |\n| 16· ·swearing and that it will be admissible in | |\n| 17· ·the courtroom as if it had been taken | |\n| 18· ·following Rule 30 of the Federal Rules of | |\n| 19· ·Civil Procedure and the state's rules where | |\n| 20· ·this case is pending? | |\n| 21· · · · ·MR. LUFT:· This is Avi Luft on behalf | |\n| 22· ·of the Chapter 11 Trustee. | |\n| 23· · · · ·And we do. | |\n| 24· · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Michael Thomason on | |\n| 25· ·behalf of the witness. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 5 |\n|---------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · ·Sure. | |\n| ·3· · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Okay.· This is the | |\n| ·4· ·start of Media No. 1 in the video deposition | |\n| ·5· ·of Margaret E. Conboy, in the matter of In | |\n| ·6· ·re:· Ho Wan Kwok, in the United States | |\n| ·7· ·Bankruptcy Court for the District of | |\n| ·8· ·Connecticut, Chapter 11 Case No. 22-50073 | |\n| ·9· ·(JAM.) | |\n| 10· · · · ·This deposition is taking place at | |\n| 11· ·multiple locations via video conference on | |\n| 12· ·February 21, 2023 at approximately | |\n| 13· ·10:13 a.m. Eastern Time. | |\n| 14· · · · ·Will counsel please introduce | |\n| 15· ·themselves for the record. | |\n| 16· · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure.· My name is Avi Luft | |\n| 17· ·of the law firm of Paul Hasting. I | |\n| 18· ·represent the Chapter 11 Trustee in the In | |\n| 19· ·re:· Ho Wan Kwok Chapter 11 bankruptcy | |\n| 20· ·pending before the Bankruptcy Court for the | |\n| 21· ·District Court of Connecticut. | |\n| 22· · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· My name is Michael | |\n| 23· ·Thomason, sitting to the left of the | |\n| 24· ·witness, from Whitman Breed Abbott & Morgan. | |\n| 25· ·Both of us are from Whitman Breed Abbott & | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 6 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · ·Morgan, and I'm here for Ms. Conboy. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Okay.· Will the court | |\n| ·4· · · · ·reporter please swear in the witness. | |\n| ·5· ·M A R G A R E T· · E.· · C O N B O Y, having been | |\n| ·6· ·duly sworn by the Notary Public, testified as | |\n| ·7· ·follows: | |\n| ·8· · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | |\n| ·9· ·EXAMINATION | |\n| 10· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · ·Q.· · Good morning, Ms. Conboy.· How where | |\n| 12· ·you? | |\n| 13· · · · ·A.· · Good.· How are you? | |\n| 14· · · · ·Q.· · I'm good.· Thank you for taking time | |\n| 15· ·this morning.· I appreciate it. | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Thank you. | |\n| 17· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, as I said just a minute | |\n| 18· ·ago, my name is Avi Luft.· I'm an attorney at Paul | |\n| 19· ·Hastings, and I represent the Chapter 11 Trustee, | |\n| 20· ·Luc Despins, in the In re:· Ho Wan Kwok | |\n| 21· ·bankruptcy. | |\n| 22· · · · · · · ·Let me -- I just want to go over a few | |\n| 23· ·preliminaries, and I used the name \"Ho Wan Kwok.\" | |\n| 24· ·He is an individual also known as \"Miles Kwok\" and | |\n| 25· ·\"Miles Guo.\" | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 8 of\n\n99\n\nYVer1f\n\n·5· · · · ·A.· · Miles Kwok.\n\n·3· · · · ·A.· · I'm familiar with him.\n\n·6· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· If I refer to him as \"Miles\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY\n\n·2· · · · · · · ·Is he a person you're familiar with?\n\n·4· · · · ·Q.· · And what name do you know him by?\n\n·7· ·Kwok\" or \"Mr. Kwok\" or the \"debtor\" throughout the\n\n·8· ·deposition, can we have an understanding that we\n\n·9· ·are referring to the same person?\n\n10· · · · ·A.· · Right, yes.\n\n11· · · · ·Q.· · Terrific.· Okay.\n\n12· · · · · · · ·And, Ms. Conboy, my understanding is\n\n13· ·you're appearing as the person most knowledgeable\n\n14· ·on behalf of your law firm, Whitman Breed, today?\n\n15· · · · ·A.· · Yes.· I was the closing attorney,\n\n16· ·so...\n\n17· · · · ·Q.· · Terrific.\n\n18· · · · · · · ·Have you ever been deposed before,\n\n19· ·Ms. Conboy?\n\n20· · · · ·A.· · No.\n\n21· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So despite you being a lawyer\n\n22· ·and probably being more familiar with this than\n\n23· ·most, let me just run through some preliminaries\n\n24· ·just so we're all on the same page.\n\n25· · · · · · · ·So basics are:· I'm going to ask you a\n\n| 99 |\n|----|\n| |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 8 |\n|-------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| | ·2· ·question and then you'll answer it.· Is that okay? | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · Yep. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · I will try to make my question as | |\n| | ·5· ·clear as possible, but if for any reason my | |\n| | ·6· ·question is not clear to you, will you tell me? | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And if you don't clarify that | |\n| | ·9· ·the question is unclear, can we have an | |\n| | 10· ·understanding that you do understand my question? | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And you understand you're | |\n| | 13· ·testifying under oath today? | |\n| | 14· · · · ·A.· · Yes, I do. | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Is there any reason why you | |\n| | 16· ·can't provide truthful testimony today? | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · Great. | | |\n| | 19· · · · · · · ·From time to time, your counsel may | |\n| | 20· ·object to a question I ask on the ground of the | |\n| | 21· ·form of it, and that is his right and that is | |\n| 22· ·fine. | | |\n| | 23· · · · · · · ·Once he has made his objection, you | |\n| | 24· ·should go ahead and answer my question, if you | |\n| 25· ·can.· Okay? | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 10 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 9 |\n|------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · Okay. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · If there is an issue of privilege or | |\n| | ·4· ·you are concerned about it, you should let me know | |\n| | ·5· ·and you can confer with your counsel. | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · Okay. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · If you need a break during the | |\n| | ·8· ·deposition -- I will take them periodically | |\n| | ·9· ·because this can take a while, but if for some | |\n| | 10· ·reason you feel like you need a break, will you | |\n| 11· ·let me know? | | |\n| 12· · · · ·A.· · Sure. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · I will then attempt to get a break as | |\n| | 14· ·soon as reasonably practicable given the | |\n| 15· ·questions.· Okay? | | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Okay. | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · The one thing I ask is that if a | |\n| | 18· ·question is pending, that we make sure we get an | |\n| | 19· ·answer to the question before we take a break.· Is | |\n| 20· ·that okay? | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·A.· · Yep, that's fine. | |\n| | 22· · · · ·Q.· · One other sort of housekeeping, even | |\n| | 23· ·though we are on Zoom and I can see you and the | |\n| | 24· ·court reporter can see you, the court reporter can | |\n| | 25· ·only take down audible answers. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 11 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 10 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · · ·So shakes of the head or nods, despite | |\n| ·3· ·the fact that she can see it, she can't write down | |\n| ·4· ·yes or no based on a shake.· So I just ask that | |\n| ·5· ·all your answers be audible.· Okay? | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · Right, yes. | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Are there any questions you | |\n| ·8· ·have before we get started with the questioning? | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · I don't think so, no. | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Terrific. | |\n| 11· · · · · · · ·Throughout the deposition, I am -- I | |\n| 12· ·am going to show you some documents.· I've spoken | |\n| 13· ·with your counsel about this a little.· We have | |\n| 14· ·tried our best based on the production to | |\n| 15· ·understand where a document starts and a document | |\n| 16· ·ends. | |\n| 17· · · · · · · ·If for some reason given your | |\n| 18· ·familiarity with the documents you look at | |\n| 19· ·something and you say, Hey, this isn't exactly | |\n| 20· ·right or there's an extra page on here or | |\n| 21· ·something, will you let me know? | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · Yes, yes. | |\n| 23· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Terrific. | |\n| 24· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Avi, can we just | |\n| 25· · · · ·clarify something?· With respect to | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 11 |\n|---------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·privilege, it's our understanding that the | |\n| ·3· ·Trustee is the holder of the privilege here | |\n| ·4· ·and has waived that privilege.· Is that | |\n| ·5· ·correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · ·MR. LUFT:· The Trustee has not waived | |\n| ·7· ·it.· But the Trustee holds Mr. Kwok's | |\n| ·8· ·privilege. | |\n| ·9· · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Okay. | |\n| 10· · · · ·MR. LUFT:· So just for clarity, any | |\n| 11· ·privilege that was just ever held by the | |\n| 12· ·debtor, unless there was some issue about | |\n| 13· ·his personal safety, which I can't imagine | |\n| 14· ·coming up in a real estate transaction, that | |\n| 15· ·privilege is now controlled by the debtor. | |\n| 16· · · · ·And the reason I draw that distinction | |\n| 17· ·as opposed to waived, live by the Trustee. | |\n| 18· ·Thank you. | |\n| 19· · · · ·My colleague Doug Barron is here. | |\n| 20· · · · ·The reason I make that distinction, | |\n| 21· ·meaning other people cannot invade that | |\n| 22· ·privilege, just as they could not before, | |\n| 23· ·but between Ms. Conboy and the Trustee at | |\n| 24· ·this point, that is the same privileged | |\n| 25· ·relationship where they could share | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 13 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 12 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·information as existed previously between | |\n| ·3· · · · ·Ms. Conboy or your firm and Mr. Kwok, their | |\n| ·4· · · · ·client. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· All right.· Thank you. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| ·7· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Ms. Conboy, prior to this | |\n| ·9· ·deposition, I sent your counsel a list of topics | |\n| 10· ·which we hope to cover today. | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · Okay. | |\n| 12· · · · ·Q.· · Did you prepare for this deposition to | |\n| 13· ·prepare for those -- to speak to those topics? | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · No. | |\n| 15· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Did you generally prepare to | |\n| 16· ·familiarize yourself with regard to the work you | |\n| 17· ·did to represent Mr. Kwok? | |\n| 18· · · · ·A.· · No. | |\n| 19· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· What did you do to prepare for | |\n| 20· ·this deposition? | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · I just met with Mr. Thomason, and he | |\n| 22· ·told me how the depositions are done and just | |\n| 23· ·explained the process, and we met for maybe an | |\n| 24· ·hour just to -- going through the process. | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· All right.· Well, why don't we | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 14 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 13 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·get started with the questioning and see what you | | |\n| ·3· ·recall, and we can go back if there's some topic | | |\n| ·4· ·for which you weren't able to review. | | |\n| ·5· · · · · · · ·When -- when did you first hear of | | |\n| ·6· ·Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · When -- I don't remember what year it | | |\n| ·8· ·was, but I received a call from a firm in New | | |\n| ·9· ·York, Hodgson Russ, and they asked me to be | | |\n| 10· ·Connecticut counsel for this family, you know, the | | |\n| 11· ·Golden Spring, Greenwich land, and to be -- to be | | |\n| 12· ·the Connecticut counsel for their real estate | | |\n| 13· ·purchases. | | |\n| 14· · · · ·Q.· · And do you recall who reached out to | | |\n| 15· ·you from Hodgson Russ? | | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · I think it was Bill, Elissa Brinn and | | |\n| 17· ·Valerie -- I don't remember Valerie's last name | | |\n| 18· ·now.· Valerie was a partner there, and I believe | | |\n| 19· ·it was both of them. | | |\n| 20· · · · ·Q.· · And what did they tell you about | | |\n| 21· ·Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · They just said that they represented | | |\n| 23· ·this -- this family and they were very interested | | |\n| 24· ·in buying property in Greenwich and a house in | | |\n| 25· ·Greenwich and, you know, that was -- it was -- you | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 14 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·know, it was confidential.· They didn't want their | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | ·3· ·names out, which is not unusual.· I run into that
·4· ·all the time with clients where they don't want | | |\n| | | | |\n| | ·5· ·their names, and so they take property in their | | |\n| ·6· ·LLCs. | | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · · ·And that was pretty much it. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · And did -- were you told anything else | | |\n| | ·9· ·about Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · Not that I remember, no. | | |\n| 11· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · ·When you were told about the family, | | |\n| | 13· ·were you given any more details about who was in | | |\n| 14· ·the family? | | | |\n| 15· · · · ·A.· · No, no. | | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · And was there a specific house that | | |\n| 17· ·they were already hoping to purchase or was this a | | | |\n| 18· ·general retainer to work on real estate matters on | | | |\n| 19· ·behalf of Mr. Kwok? | | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·A.· · They were already looking and I | | |\n| 21· ·believe making an offer -- maybe they had -- I | | | |\n| 22· ·can't remember -- they may have had a contract out | | | |\n| 23· ·for a property, I forget which property, Clapboard | | | |\n| 24· ·Ridge, one of them, and Elissa had been working on | | | |\n| 25· ·it and then they thought it was best to get | | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 15 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·Connecticut counsel, and so I came in on that. | | |\n| ·3· · · · ·Q.· · And can you tell me a little bit about | | |\n| ·4· ·the scope of the engagement? | | |\n| ·5· · · · · · · ·Because my understanding is it wasn't | | |\n| ·6· ·just one property that you ended up working on but | | |\n| ·7· ·over time, there were multiple representations of | | |\n| ·8· ·Mr. Kwok. | | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · Well, of the LLCs, I never spoke with | | |\n| 10· ·Mr. Kwok.· It was always his lawyer -- the family | | |\n| 11· ·lawyer who I spoke with. | | |\n| 12· · · · · · · ·And so he -- he did place offers on a | | |\n| 13· ·few properties and then they fell through for one | | |\n| 14· ·reason or another.· He didn't go through with them | | |\n| 15· ·or the family didn't go through with them. | | |\n| 16· · · · · · · ·The property that I eventually closed | | |\n| 17· ·on with him was on Ferncliff.· The others that I | | |\n| 18· ·represented him on never closed, and there were | | |\n| 19· ·maybe three or four of those. | | |\n| 20· · · · ·Q.· · You said you only spoke with the | | |\n| 21· ·family lawyer. | | |\n| 22· · · · · · · ·Do you recall the family lawyer's | | |\n| 23· ·name? | | |\n| 24· · · · ·A.· · Max Krasner. | | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Krasner represent to you that | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 17 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | | Page 16 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·he was an attorney? | | | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · Did you ever speak to a woman named | | |\n| | ·5· ·Yvette Wang? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember.· I don't remember | | |\n| ·7· ·that name. | | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Did you understand that Mr. Krasner | | |\n| ·9· ·was working on behalf of Mr. Kwok? | | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · Yes, and the family. | | |\n| | 11· · · · ·Q.· · And when you say the \"family,\" did you | | |\n| 12· ·ever speak to anyone else in the family other | | | |\n| 13· ·than -- at all? | | | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · No, no. | | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Krasner ever tell you he was | | |\n| 16· ·taking directions from anyone other than Mr. Kwok? | | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · No, he never told me who he was taking | | |\n| 18· ·directions from. | | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · I've seen in the documents, your | | |\n| 20· ·e-mails, multiple references to the \"Chinese | | | |\n| 21· ·billionaire.\" | | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · · ·Is Mr. Kwok the Chinese billionaire? | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·A.· · I just got that from when I did a | | |\n| 24· ·Google search.· So I don't really know, that just | | | |\n| | 25· ·if you Google his name, that's what comes up.· So | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 17 |\n|--------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·I -- | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · My question was -- sorry. | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · · ·My question is not whether Mr. Kwok is | |\n| | ·5· ·it a Chinese billionaire, but when you wrote -- | |\n| | ·6· ·referenced the \"Chinese billionaire,\" were you | |\n| | ·7· ·referring to Mr. Kwok? | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·A.· · Yes, only because of the Google | |\n| ·9· ·searches. | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Right.· Okay. | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · ·Did any of your colleagues work with | |\n| | 12· ·you on this matter? | |\n| | 13· · · · ·A.· · I don't -- maybe an associate helped, | |\n| | 14· ·but that's all I remember as being -- and my | |\n| | 15· ·paralegal, obviously. | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · When you spoke to Mr. Krasner on | |\n| | 17· ·behalf of Mr. Kwok, did you do so via e-mail? | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Objection to form. | |\n| | 19· · · · · · · ·You can answer. | |\n| | 20· · · · ·A.· · Both e-mail and phone call. | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· How many times would you say | |\n| | 22· ·you spoke with Mr. Krasner? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· On e-mail or phone? | |\n| 24· · · · ·Q.· · Either. | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·A.· · You know, when we were working on a | |\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 18 |\n|-----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·transaction, maybe a couple of times a day. | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Did you ever go visit any of the | |\n| | ·4· ·properties that Mr. Kwok was considering | |\n| ·5· ·purchasing? | | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Do you know which brokers Mr. Kwok was | |\n| | ·8· ·working with for the properties he was looking at? | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · I can't remember.· I remember the last | |\n| | 10· ·one, but I don't remember all the -- the other | |\n| | 11· ·brokers that he was working with. | |\n| | 12· · · · ·Q.· · Who was the last one? | |\n| | 13· · · · ·A.· · Martha Jeffreys. | |\n| | 14· · · · ·Q.· · Would it have been the brokers who | |\n| | 15· ·took Mr. Kwok around to see the properties? | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Have you ever spoken with | |\n| 18· ·Mr. Kwok's son? | | |\n| 19· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · Did you ever -- how about his wife? | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·Q.· · Or his daughter? | |\n| 23· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Did you ever speak with anyone | |\n| | 25· ·representing the family who told you that the | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 20 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 19 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·instructions were coming from either the son, the | | |\n| ·3· ·wife, or the daughter? | | |\n| ·4· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Q.· · When you were -- | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I want to mark as Whitman | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Breed Deposition Exhibit 1, the document at | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Tab 1 in your binder.· It bears the Bates | | |\n| ·9· · · · ·stamp WBAM_001464 through 65. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 1, letter dated | | |\n| 11· · · · ·October 1, 2018, Bates stamped WBAM_001464 | | |\n| 12· · · · ·through 465, was marked for identification | | |\n| 13· · · · ·at this time.) | | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · Yep. | | |\n| 15· · · · ·Q.· · When you have a second, just take a | | |\n| 16· ·look and tell me when you're ready. | | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · Okay. | | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · What is this document? | | |\n| 19· · · · ·A.· · That's our engagement letter.· That | | |\n| 20· ·was the first engagement letter.· And we had taken | | |\n| 21· ·it out through Hodgson Russ. | | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · So in this letter, the client is | | |\n| 23· ·Hodgson Russ on behalf of -- let me just make it | | |\n| 24· ·simple:· Is Hodgson Russ the technical client | | |\n| 25· ·here? | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 20 |\n|------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And the purchase is to be made | |\n| | ·4· ·by an entity called \"Hudson Diamond\"? | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · I believe so -- oh, yes, it says -- | |\n| | ·6· ·yep, it says:· \"Hudson Diamond.\" | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · But this -- and this is the same | |\n| | ·8· ·engagement where you were being told you were | |\n| | ·9· ·representing the interest of Mr. Kwok and his | |\n| 10· ·family, correct? | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · ·This is the 110 Clapboard Road -- | |\n| | 12· ·Clapboard Ridge? | |\n| 13· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· You could just put | |\n| 15· · · · ·that aside. | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · Let me ask you a few other people. | |\n| | 17· ·Did you ever speak to a man named Daniel | |\n| 18· ·Podhaskie? | | |\n| 19· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · How about a woman named Melissa | |\n| 21· ·Francis? | | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·Q.· · Aaron Mitchell? | |\n| 24· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Terrific. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 22 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 21 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · · ·All right.· Could we turn to -- I ask | |\n| ·3· ·you to turn to Tab 3, which is an e-mail from | |\n| ·4· ·October 3, 2019 from yourself to Kevin Walsh, | |\n| ·5· ·Bates stamped WBAM_10076. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · · ·Let me know when you have it. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Are you marking this as | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Exhibit 2? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes, please, Whitman Breed | |\n| 10· · · · ·Exhibit 2. | |\n| 11· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 2, e-mail dated | |\n| 12· · · · ·October 3, 2019, Bates stamped WBAM_10076, | |\n| 13· · · · ·was marked for identification at this time.) | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · Okay. | |\n| 15· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· It starts off -- this is an | |\n| 16· ·e-mail from you to Kevin Walsh, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · Right. | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · You start off:· \"Kevin, my client, the | |\n| 19· ·Chinese billionaire.\" | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·Is that a reference to your client | |\n| 21· ·being Mr. Kwok? | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · Yeah.· I mean, I should have -- it -- | |\n| 23· ·yes.· I should have -- | |\n| 24· · · · ·Q.· · And then you go on.· You say (as | |\n| 25· ·read):· The seller accepted his offer of | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 22 |\n|--------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·\\$35 million.· And then, furthermore, he is meeting | |\n| | ·3· ·with architects.· He has an idea of what is | |\n| | ·4· ·involved in building on the parcel. | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · ·The \"he\" and the \"his\" there are | |\n| | ·6· ·Mr. Kwok, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Kwok ever tell you what the | |\n| | ·9· ·source of the \\$35 million he was using to offer | |\n| | 10· ·for 602 Indian Field was? | |\n| | 11· · · · ·A.· · No.· This was all through Max. I | |\n| | 12· ·never spoke with Mr. Kwok.· It was all through | |\n| 13· ·Max. | | |\n| | 14· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Krasner -- and I assume when | |\n| | 15· ·you say \"Max,\" you're referring to Max Krasner? | |\n| | 16· · · · ·A.· · Right, Mr. Krasner. | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · That's fine. | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · ·Did Mr. Krasner ever tell you what the | |\n| | 19· ·source of the \\$35 million was for this offer? | |\n| 20· · · · ·A.· · No, no. | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Did he ever -- was he ever required to | |\n| | 22· ·provide any, for lack of a better term, | |\n| | 23· ·substantiation or basis to the seller to show that | |\n| | 24· ·he had the wherewithal to make a \\$35 million | |\n| 25· ·offer? | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 24 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 23 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I don't know. | |\n| ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Is that something that would be | |\n| ·4· ·more for the broker than -- | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | |\n| ·6· · · · ·Q.· · -- your part of the process? | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · Right, yes. | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· But this never went to | |\n| ·9· ·contract, correct? | |\n| 10· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| 11· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Okay.· Terrific. | |\n| 12· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I want to ask you to look | |\n| 13· · · · ·at Tab 2.· I'm going to mark as Whitman | |\n| 14· · · · ·Breed Exhibit 3, it is a document Bates | |\n| 15· · · · ·stamped WBAM_000035 through 36, and it | |\n| 16· · · · ·appears to me to be an August 16, 2019 | |\n| 17· · · · ·retention letter between Whitman Breed | |\n| 18· · · · ·signed by yourself and then by Max Krasner | |\n| 19· · · · ·on behalf of Golden Spring. | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 3, letter dated | |\n| 21· · · · ·August 16, 2019, Bates stamped WBAM_000035 | |\n| 22· · · · ·through 36, was marked for identification at | |\n| 23· · · · ·this time.) | |\n| 24· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · Does that appear right to you? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 25 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 24 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · That's right. | |\n| ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And this is in connection with | |\n| ·4· ·the purchase of a property at 33 Ferncliff Road? | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · That's right. | |\n| ·6· · · · ·Q.· · And here, you understood Mr. Krasner | |\n| ·7· ·to again be making this engagement on behalf of | |\n| ·8· ·Mr. Kwok, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · Well, the family. | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · When you say the \"family,\" just so I | |\n| 11· ·understand, what is the distinction you're drawing | |\n| 12· ·given that -- well, let me strike that. | |\n| 13· · · · · · · ·My understanding is that you | |\n| 14· ·understood instructions to be coming from | |\n| 15· ·Mr. Kwok, that he's giving directions. | |\n| 16· · · · · · · ·There's no one else in the family you | |\n| 17· ·ever spoke with or received directions on behalf | |\n| 18· ·of, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · ·A.· · I never spoke with Mr. Kwok.· I never | |\n| 20· ·spoke with anyone else.· No, I only spoke with Max | |\n| 21· ·Krasner, and he would say that -- his words were | |\n| 22· ·the family. | |\n| 23· · · · ·Q.· · But when you wrote about, when we | |\n| 24· ·looked at Exhibit 2, the Chinese billionaire and | |\n| 25· ·his offer and he is meeting with architects, the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 26 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 25 |\n|-----------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·\"he\" there is Mr. Kwok, you understood, correct? | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·A.· · Right, that's what I understood. | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · And you have no knowledge of anyone | |\n| | ·5· ·else in the family ever meeting with architects or | |\n| | ·6· ·engineers on behalf of these houses, correct? | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't know.· I don't know. I | |\n| ·8· ·have no idea. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · And no one else from the family ever | |\n| | 10· ·submitting an offer for the house other than | |\n| | 11· ·Mr. Kwok, correct? | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I don't know. | |\n| 13· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · ·Who paid -- in connection with the | |\n| | 15· ·work you did for 110 Clap Ridge Road, who paid | |\n| 16· ·Whitman Breed's legal bills? | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · I don't know. | |\n| | 18· · · · ·Q.· · How about with regard to 33 Ferncliff? | |\n| | 19· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I don't know. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· You can put that to | |\n| | 21· · · · ·the side for now. | |\n| | 22· · · · · · · ·I'm going to ask you to look at Tab 9. | |\n| | 23· · · · ·I'm going to mark as Exhibit 4, a document | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Bates stamped WBAM_002235 through 37. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 4, e-mail | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 26 | |\n|------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_002235 through | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·237, was marked for identification at this | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·time.) | | |\n| ·5· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · Do you have that in front of you? | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · I do. | | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · So this is an e-mail chain between | | |\n| | ·9· ·yourself, Valerie Stevens, Yvette Wang, and Elissa | | |\n| 10· ·Brinn. | | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · ·Who is Valerie Stevens? | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · She was a partner at Hodgson Russ. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · And Ms. Brinn? | | |\n| | 14· · · · ·A.· · And Ms. Brinn was also an attorney at | | |\n| 15· ·Hodgson Russ. | | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · And then Yvette Wang? | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember her.· I really don't | | |\n| 18· ·remember her. | | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see in the middle of page | | |\n| | 20· ·ending 236, October 11, 2018, 12:35, she writes an | | |\n| 21· ·e-mail to yourself and Elissa saying (as read): | | | |\n| | 22· ·Please still keep doing nothing as I advised | | |\n| | 23· ·before.· I already had advised Kathy to withdraw | | |\n| | 24· ·the offer on Monday.· The buyer didn't give any | | |\n| | 25· ·instructions to reopen yet.· Thank you, Yvette. | | |\n| | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 28 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 27 |\n|---------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · Yep. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · The buyer -- the buyer there is | |\n| | ·5· ·Mr. Kwok, correct? | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·A.· · I don't know -- I mean, I don't know. | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Who did you understand that -- | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·A.· · Like I said, it was the company that | |\n| | ·9· ·was either Golden Spring or Greenwich Land, and | |\n| | 10· ·that's who was buying it.· I'm not sure -- I'm not | |\n| | 11· ·sure of that, who Yvette Wang -- I just don't | |\n| 12· ·remember. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · You don't remember what her role was? | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Q.· · You understood Mr. Kwok to be a client | |\n| | 16· ·of the firm though, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · No.· I understood the companies to be | |\n| | 18· ·a client of the firm. | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · You had a conversation with | |\n| | 20· ·Mr. Despins at one point with regard to issues | |\n| 21· ·regarding conflicts of interest? | | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·Q.· · And in that, you told him that one of | |\n| | 24· ·the issues was that Mr. Kwok was a client of the | |\n| 25· ·firm? | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 28 |\n|------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·A.· · Well, I must have misspoke, and I | |\n| | ·3· ·don't remember, but I just don't really remember | |\n| ·4· ·that. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Who did you understand to | |\n| | ·6· ·control Golden Spring? | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · Like I said, I spoke with Max Krasner. | |\n| | ·8· ·That was my contact.· I don't know.· I don't know | |\n| | ·9· ·who controlled Golden Spring. | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Krasner ever tell you he has | |\n| | 11· ·no legal license? | |\n| 12· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| 13· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · ·When Ms. Wang referred to the \"buyer,\" | |\n| | 15· ·you did not understand her to be referring to | |\n| | 16· ·herself, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I really don't know. I | |\n| | 18· ·didn't know -- I don't remember her. | |\n| 19· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let's take a look at -- | |\n| | 21· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Is it possible to turn | |\n| | 22· · · · ·the camera a little bit more towards the | |\n| | 23· · · · ·witness again, please, Counsel? | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · ·Thank you. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Let's take a look at | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 30 of 99\n\n| | Page 29 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | |\n| ·2· · · · ·Tab 13.· We're going to mark as Whitman | |\n| ·3· · · · ·Breed Exhibit 5, I believe, a document Bates | |\n| ·4· · · · ·stamped WBAM_001048 through 54.· This is an | |\n| ·5· · · · ·e-mail chain at the top starting with an | |\n| ·6· · · · ·e-mail from Ms. Yvette Wang to Elissa Brinn, | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Ms. Conboy, and Valerie Stevens regarding | |\n| ·8· · · · ·110 Clipboard agreement with Brown Harris | |\n| ·9· · · · ·Stevens. | |\n| 10· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 5, e-mail | |\n| 11· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_001048 through 54, | |\n| 12· · · · ·was marked for identification at this time.) | |\n| 13· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see that top e-mail? | |\n| 15· · · · ·A.· · Yep. | |\n| 16· · · · ·Q.· · Did you see Ms. Wang again writes (as | |\n| 17· ·read):· The inventory content list of this | |\n| 18· ·property should be exactly the same as original, | |\n| 19· ·the first time Kathy showed this house to the | |\n| 20· ·buyer. | |\n| 21· · · · · · · ·Did you understand Kathy showed the | |\n| 22· ·house to an actual person, being the buyer? | |\n| 23· · · · ·A.· · Yes, showed the house to the buyer. | |\n| 24· · · · ·Q.· · Right.· And since Ms. Wang is | |\n| 25· ·referring to it, that she's not referring to | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 31 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 30 | |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·herself, she's referring to the buyer as another | | |\n| ·3· ·person? | | |\n| ·4· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Does this help refresh your | | |\n| ·6· ·recollection as to -- with regard to Ms. Wang? | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Q.· · All right.· Okay.· Let's look at | | |\n| ·9· ·another -- what I believe is another property. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · · ·Do you recall doing work with regard | | |\n| 11· ·to 140 Wallacks Drive in January 2019? | | |\n| 12· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| 13· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to show you a | | |\n| 14· · · · ·document Bates stamped -- I'd like to mark | | |\n| 15· · · · ·as Exhibit 6, a document Bates stamped | | |\n| 16· · · · ·WBAM_002663 through 72. | | |\n| 17· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Tab number? | | |\n| 18· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· What's that? | | |\n| 19· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Which tab number? | | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It's Tab 14. | | |\n| 21· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 6, e-mail | | |\n| 22· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_002663 through | | |\n| 23· · · · ·672, was marked for identification at this | | |\n| 24· · · · ·time.) | | |\n| 25· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 31 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·Q.· · Am I correct that this is an e-mail | |\n| | ·3· ·chain between yourself and Robert Mowbray from | |\n| ·4· ·January 22, 2019? | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · And the property he references is | |\n| ·7· ·140 Wallacks Drive, Caritas Island, Stamford? | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see your e-mail, you write: | |\n| | 10· ·\"Hi, Bob.· I would like you to do the searches | |\n| 11· ·because this is a high-end property on the water - | | |\n| 12· ·the Chinese billionaire has an accepted offer! | | |\n| 13· ·Thanks.\" | | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 15· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · The Chinese billionaire being | |\n| 17· ·referenced is Mr. Kwok, correct? | | |\n| 18· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · And that's who you were saying had an | |\n| 20· ·accepted offer on the property? | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·A.· · But actually, the offer was in the | |\n| | 22· ·name of Golden or either Golden Spring or | |\n| | 23· ·Greenwich Land.· I don't remember which one they | |\n| 24· ·put -- the offer was put in. | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·Q.· · Whichever entity legally they put the | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 33 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 32 |\n|--------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·name in, what you understood was that Mr. Kwok had | |\n| ·3· ·an accepted offer, correct? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·A.· · From the e-mail, that's what I -- yep, | |\n| ·5· ·correct. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · And you were being -- okay.· So at the | |\n| | ·7· ·time, that's what you were telling Mr. Mowbray, | |\n| ·8· ·was that Mr. Kwok has an accepted offer? | | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Prior to working with Mr. Kwok, did | |\n| 11· ·you have to sign any type of NDA agreement? | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember.· I may have. I | |\n| 13· ·don't remember. | | |\n| | 14· · · · ·Q.· · At any point does Mr. Kwok or one of | |\n| | 15· ·his associate entities had you sign an NDA | |\n| 16· ·agreement? | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | 18· · · · ·Q.· · Is the reason you refer to Mr. Kwok as | |\n| | 19· ·the \"Chinese billionaire\" because you were trying | |\n| 20· ·to avoid using his name in communications? | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·A.· · Right, correct. | |\n| | 22· · · · ·Q.· · When you wrote the \"Chinese | |\n| | 23· ·billionaire\" here, Mr. Kwok was the person you | |\n| 24· ·were referring to? | | |\n| 25· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 33 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · ·Let me see.· Do you know a man named | |\n| ·4· ·Emile deNeree? | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · From Caldwell Banker maybe? | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask to mark as | |\n| ·9· · · · ·Exhibit -- what are we up to, 7? -- a | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·document behind Tab 18, Bates stamped | |\n| 11· · · · ·WBAM_002803 through 08. | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 7, e-mail | |\n| 13· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_002803 through | | |\n| 14· · · · ·808, was marked for identification at this | | |\n| 15· · · · ·time.) | | |\n| 16· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, do you recognize this | |\n| 18· ·document? | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't remember it. | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · Can you review it and see if it | |\n| 21· ·refreshes your recollection that this was an | | |\n| 22· ·e-mail also about 140 Walkins Drive? | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember the e-mail.· I mean, | |\n| 24· ·I just don't remember -- I get thousands of | | |\n| 25· ·e-mails, though. | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 34 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·Q.· · Understood. | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · ·Do you see at the top, Ms. Brinn | |\n| | ·4· ·writes to you, Mr. deNeree and yourself, and she | |\n| ·5· ·makes a reference as:· \"Margaret - looks like a | | |\n| ·6· ·septic update is needed as well\"? | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · Yep. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Are you the \"Margaret\" there? | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · Yep, yes. | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · And so this chain would have been sent | |\n| 11· ·to you, correct? | | |\n| 12· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And in this chain, you see that | |\n| 14· ·they're talking about various inspections and | | |\n| 15· ·diligence that needs to be done? | | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · If I ask you to turn to page 2806, do | |\n| 18· ·you see that there's a January 25th e-mail from | | |\n| | 19· ·Mr. deNeree or a Barbara Vogt at Sothebys Homes, | |\n| 20· ·so this is between the two brokers, included in | | |\n| 21· ·the diligence sent to you. | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · · ·It says that my client is prepared to | |\n| | 23· ·close by February 8.· We have requested a one-week | |\n| 24· ·grace period in case they cannot complete due | | |\n| 25· ·diligence in times.· It goes on and then says: | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 35 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·\"Could you please ask your clients to agree to | |\n| | ·3· ·these terms because Miles is ready to sign the | |\n| ·4· ·contract this afternoon as long as his attorney | | |\n| ·5· ·receives the acceptable terms for due diligence.\" | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · Yep, yes, I do. | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · And do you recall if you ever received | |\n| ·9· ·those due diligence terms? | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | 11· · · · ·Q.· · And the \"Miles\" here is a reference to | |\n| 12· ·Mr. Kwok, correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·A.· · I didn't write the e-mail, so somebody | |\n| 14· ·else wrote it. | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Q.· · I understand, someone else wrote it, | |\n| 16· ·but you read it. | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · · ·Did you understand the \"Miles\" | |\n| 18· ·involved in this transaction to be Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| | 19· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Objection to form. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · ·You can answer. | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | 23· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You can put that aside. | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Kwok ever become interested in | |\n| 25· ·potentially purchasing a property at 32 Chateau | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 36 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Ridge? | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | |\n| ·4· · · · ·Q.· · What do you recall about that property | |\n| ·5· ·and that attempted purchase? | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · I recall that he put in an offer.· The | |\n| ·7· ·offer was accepted.· We did our normal due | |\n| ·8· ·diligence, and he -- he never signed a contract. | |\n| ·9· ·We were working on a contract and he never signed | |\n| 10· ·the contract -- well, not he but the LLC never | |\n| 11· ·signed the contract and so nothing came -- it was | |\n| 12· ·never purchased. | |\n| 13· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask you -- I'm | |\n| 14· · · · ·going to mark as -- to be asked as Whitman | |\n| 15· · · · ·Breed Exhibit 8, a document behind Tab 6, | |\n| 16· · · · ·WBAM_002172 through 2173, which appears to | |\n| 17· · · · ·be an October 1, 2018 e-mail chain between | |\n| 18· · · · ·Muffin Dowdle, Elissa Brinn, yourself, and | |\n| 19· · · · ·Kathy Sloane. | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 8, e-mail | |\n| 21· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_002172 through | |\n| 22· · · · ·173, was marked for identification at this | |\n| 23· · · · ·time.) | |\n| 24· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see that? | |\n| | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 37 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · Yep. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see you are on all these | |\n| ·4· ·e-mails? | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · And this is in connection -- sorry. | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · · ·This was in connection with | |\n| ·8· ·110 Clapboard Ridge? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · That's what it says on the top. | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Yeah.· Let me see. | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · ·But then if we go to the middle | |\n| 12· ·e-mail, Ms. Sloane says (as read):· With regard to | | |\n| 13· ·Chataeu Ridge, the contract is being sent out this | | |\n| 14· ·morning at the original offering prices.· The | | |\n| 15· ·furniture is being removed from the house today. | | |\n| 16· ·The house will be staged.· I suggest that Miles | | |\n| 17· ·see the house again after the staging is complete. | | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| | 19· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Objection. | |\n| | 20· · · · ·A.· · Yes, I see that. | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So while there's a reference to | |\n| 22· ·Clapboard Ridge, what is -- there is also -- these | | |\n| 23· ·e-mails are also discussing the Chateau Ridge | | |\n| 24· ·property, correct? | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 39 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 38 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·Q.· · And those are two distinct properties? | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · And do you recall Ms. Sloane being a | |\n| ·5· ·broker at Brown Harris Stevens? | | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · And she is writing to you and | |\n| ·8· ·Ms. Dowdle and Ms. Brinn suggesting that Miles see | | |\n| ·9· ·the house again after the staging is complete, | | |\n| 10· ·correct? | | |\n| | 11· · · · ·A.· · That's what she writes in the e-mail. | |\n| | 12· · · · ·Q.· · And the \"Miles\" being referred to | |\n| 13· ·there is Mr. Kwok, correct? | | |\n| | 14· · · · ·A.· · I think -- I mean, I didn't write the | |\n| | 15· ·e-mail, again, but that's who I think it would be. | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · Are you aware of any other Miles who | |\n| 17· ·was involved in connection with the Chateau Ridge | | |\n| 18· ·property? | | |\n| 19· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · So it's fair to say when you read | |\n| | 21· ·that, you understood \"Miles\" to be Mr. Kwok, | |\n| 22· ·correct? | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · You have to answer audibly. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · · ·And she writes (as read):· Let Miles | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 39 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·see the house again after the staging is complete. | | |\n| ·3· · · · · · · ·Did that suggest to you that Mr. Kwok | | |\n| ·4· ·had already seen the house once before this? | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I wasn't -- I'm not | | |\n| ·6· ·involved in that part of the transaction.· I have | | |\n| ·7· ·no idea. | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Q.· · But when you read the e-mail that you | | |\n| ·9· ·were copied on that said, \"I suggest that Miles | | |\n| 10· ·see the house again after the staging is | | |\n| 11· ·complete,\" that would -- did that suggest to you | | |\n| 12· ·that Mr. Kwok had already seen the house once | | |\n| 13· ·before? | | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I wasn't involved in | | |\n| 15· ·that.· I don't go around with them to the brokers | | |\n| 16· ·to see the house.· I don't know when he saw, if he | | |\n| 17· ·saw, I don't know. | | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · I'm just asking what you understood | | |\n| 19· ·when you read that e-mail. | | |\n| 20· · · · ·A.· · I mean, from her e-mail, it sounds | | |\n| 21· ·like he must have, but I have no idea. | | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| 23· · · · · · · ·Ms. Conboy, you understood that all | | |\n| 24· ·the documents Bates stamped with the \"WBAM\" stamp | | |\n| 25· ·come from the files of Whitman Breed, correct? | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 41 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 40 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · ·A.· · I think so, yes.· Yes. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · And those are files that you keep -- | | |\n| ·4· ·the firm keeps in the ordinary course of its | | | |\n| | ·5· ·business? | | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · And they're created as part of the | | |\n| ·8· ·ordinary business it conducts as a law firm, | | | |\n| ·9· ·correct? | | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | | |\n| | 11· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you recall a woman named | | |\n| 12· ·Louise Camuto was the owner of the Chateau Ridge | | | |\n| 13· ·property? | | | |\n| | 14· · · · ·A.· · I don't know if she was the actual | | |\n| 15· ·owner. | | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· What did you understand | | |\n| 17· ·Ms. Camuto's position to be? | | | |\n| | 18· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember how the title was | | |\n| 19· ·held, but I don't think she owned it personally. | | | |\n| 20· ·I don't remember exactly how title was held, but I | | | |\n| 21· ·don't think she owned it personally. | | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you recall that she was | | |\n| 23· ·negotiating the sale of the property with Mr. Kwok | | | |\n| 24· ·and his representatives? | | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·A.· · I don't know if she was.· The only | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 42 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 41 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·person who I negotiated with was the other | |\n| ·3· ·attorney.· I don't know who anyone else negotiated | |\n| ·4· ·with. | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Do you know who Karin Maistrello is? | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · No. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· What document are we up to | |\n| ·8· · · · ·now?· It was seven -- | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· You're at 9. | |\n| 10· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Nine? | |\n| 11· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· You're about to name 9. | |\n| 12· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Terrific.· Let's mark as | |\n| 13· · · · ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 9, document behind | |\n| 14· · · · ·Tab 20, an e-mail chain with the Bates stamp | |\n| 15· · · · ·WBAM_003873 through 76.· Appears to be a | |\n| 16· · · · ·chain encompassing e-mails involving | |\n| 17· · · · ·Mr. Krasner, Ms. Camuto, Ms. Wang, | |\n| 18· · · · ·Ms. Maistrello, and Ms. Dowdle. | |\n| 19· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 9, e-mail | |\n| 20· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_003873 through | |\n| 21· · · · ·876, was marked for identification at this | |\n| 22· · · · ·time.) | |\n| 23· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, do you see that this | |\n| 25· ·document bears a Bates stamp of \"WBAM\"? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 42 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Does that indicate to you that this | |\n| | ·4· ·document comes from the files of Whitman Breed? | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · I -- it must.· I guess it does. I | |\n| | ·6· ·don't remember seeing this document.· I'm not on | |\n| ·7· ·the -- I'm not on the e-mail chain at the top. I | | |\n| ·8· ·mean, I'm not on the e-mail. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · Do clients when they negotiate through | |\n| | 10· ·e-mails sometimes provide those e-mails to counsel | |\n| | 11· ·for purposes of their work they're doing for them? | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · I don't understand what your question | |\n| 13· ·is. | | |\n| | 14· · · · ·Q.· · My question is:· When clients have | |\n| | 15· ·communications with prospective buyers or brokers, | |\n| 16· ·do they sometimes provide you with those | | |\n| 17· ·communications to evidence the negotiations they | | |\n| 18· ·conducted so that you can do your work on behalf | | |\n| 19· ·of them? | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·A.· · Sometimes, yes, sometimes. | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Can you turn to the page ending 3875. | |\n| | 22· · · · · · · ·Do you see there's an e-mail from | |\n| | 23· ·Ms. Camuto to Mary Muffin Dowdle? | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · ·Do you know Ms. Dowdle? | |\n| | 25· · · · ·A.· · No.· She's a broker, but I don't know | |\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 43 |\n|-----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·her.· She was a broker. | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Did you understand her to be the | |\n| | ·4· ·broker working with Mr. Kwok? | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · In the beginning, yes.· In the | |\n| | ·6· ·beginning of when the transaction first started. | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see Ms. Camuto, while sending | |\n| | ·8· ·her e-mail to Ms. Dowdle, addresses it actually to | |\n| | ·9· ·Mr. Kwok, \"Dear Miles.\" | |\n| | 10· · · · · · · ·She writes:· \"Thank you for getting | |\n| | 11· ·back to me.· I look forward to concluding and | |\n| | 12· ·having you move into this amazing place which we | |\n| | 13· ·love so much and you seem to love it as much as we | |\n| 14· ·do.\" | | |\n| | 15· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · And then they proceed -- Ms. Camuto | |\n| | 18· ·proceeds to write a message to Mr. Kwok regarding | |\n| | 19· ·certain furnishings he had asked to be kept, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·Q.· · And do you recall if this -- these | |\n| | 23· ·communications were transmitted to you so that you | |\n| | 24· ·would know which pieces of furniture to include in | |\n| | 25· ·the contractual agreements and which ones to leave | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 44 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·out? | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| ·4· · · · ·Q.· · Let's look up a little bit.· Do you | |\n| ·5· ·see in response on page 3874, Ms. Wang writes back | |\n| ·6· ·to Mr. Camuto saying:· \"Thank you for getting back | |\n| ·7· ·to Miles.· Kindly forgive him as he does better | |\n| ·8· ·with oral English than written.\" | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 10· · · · ·A.· · Yes, yes. | |\n| 11· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see she mentions that Miles | |\n| 12· ·said he exactly shares the same love as you to | |\n| 13· ·this fabulous home and that he hopes to come back | |\n| 14· ·in the future to share the beautiful stories about | |\n| 15· ·this place with him. | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Right, yes. | |\n| 17· · · · ·Q.· · And that he -- it then goes on: | |\n| 18· ·\"Miles said he appreciates you agree to leave the | |\n| 19· ·urns.· He does love them very much.\"· And then | |\n| 20· ·says -- reflects what Mr. Kwok wishes to do with | |\n| 21· ·regard to the blue chairs, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · Right. | |\n| 23· · · · ·Q.· · And then it concludes:· \"On behalf of | |\n| 24· ·Miles, thank you again for having this beautiful | |\n| 25· ·home to him.· All the best.\" | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 45 |\n|---------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · And this information about how to | |\n| | ·4· ·handle the urns for Mr. Kwok and how to handle the | |\n| | ·5· ·chairs, that's all information which you as the | |\n| | ·6· ·lawyer would codify in an agreement, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · And it's clear that Ms. Wang is | |\n| | ·9· ·speaking on behalf of Mr. Kwok, correct? | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · Again, you're asking me about an | |\n| | 11· ·e-mail that I didn't write. | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · ·They say, the family office, you know, | |\n| | 13· ·I wasn't -- I don't get -- the only way I would | |\n| | 14· ·get involved is to write the contract with the | |\n| | 15· ·terms about the urn and whatever personal | |\n| 16· ·property. | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · But it's very clear here, right, this | |\n| | 18· ·is about Miles?· Miles is the person being | |\n| | 19· ·specifically referenced, correct? | |\n| | 20· · · · ·A.· · Miles was being referenced, yes. | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · And Miles is the one who is making the | |\n| | 22· ·decisions with regard to the urns? | |\n| | 23· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I have no idea. | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · (As read):· Miles says he appreciates | |\n| | 25· ·you agree to leave urns.· He does love them very | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 47 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 46 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·much.· In the same spirit of cooperation, he would | |\n| ·3· ·like you to keep the set of four blue chairs. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · · ·You agree with me that it is Mr. Kwok | |\n| ·5· ·who is the one who is making the instructions with | |\n| ·6· ·regard to which property to be included in the | |\n| ·7· ·contract, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · That's what the e-mail states, yes. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· You can put that to | |\n| 10· · · · ·the side. | |\n| 11· · · · · · · ·Mark as Exhibit -- Whitman Breed | |\n| 12· · · · ·Exhibit 10, a document behind Tab 22, Bates | |\n| 13· · · · ·stamped WBAM_003873 through 76, which is, | |\n| 14· · · · ·again, another e-mail chain between | |\n| 15· · · · ·Mr. Camuto, Ms. Wang, Mr. Krasner and | |\n| 16· · · · ·Ms. Maistrello. | |\n| 17· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 10, e-mail | |\n| 18· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_003873 through | |\n| 19· · · · ·876, was marked for identification at this | |\n| 20· · · · ·time.) | |\n| 21· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · And do you see, again, this is a | |\n| 23· ·document with the Bates stamp \"WBAM\"? | |\n| 24· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · And that suggests to you that this is | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 47 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·a document coming from Whitman Breed's files, | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Q.· · So this is a document that would have | |\n| ·6· ·been provided to your law firm in connection with | |\n| ·7· ·your representation of -- with regard to this | |\n| ·8· ·property, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · And do you see, again, Ms. Camuto | |\n| 11· ·writes to Ms. Wang, multiple places, specifically | |\n| 12· ·says -- references Mr. Kwok:· \"I am so glad Miles | |\n| 13· ·will enjoy the fabulous urns that are, as you | |\n| 14· ·know, quite rare and valuable.· They make the | |\n| 15· ·room. | |\n| 16· · · · · · · ·\"Thank him for the chairs, and I will | |\n| 17· ·leave Miles the cabinet on the third floor.\"· It | |\n| 18· ·goes on:· \"Thank you - and Miles, and please keep | |\n| 19· ·the communication flowing.· I would be happy to | |\n| 20· ·come visit him one day when he is all settled in.\" | |\n| 21· · · · · · · ·It is clear Ms. Wang -- Ms. Camuto is | |\n| 22· ·referring to Mr. Kwok as being the person who was | |\n| 23· ·acquiring the home, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · ·A.· · That's what her e-mail states, yep. | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 49 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 48 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You can put that aside. | |\n| ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall if -- having any | |\n| ·4· ·communications with regard to the Chateau Ridge | |\n| ·5· ·property related to anyone else in Mr. Kwok's | |\n| ·6· ·family having any negotiations or role in | |\n| ·7· ·connection with its purchase? | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember.· I think the only -- | |\n| ·9· ·again, the only person who I dealt with was Max | |\n| 10· ·Krasner. | |\n| 11· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | |\n| 12· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· We have been going about an | |\n| 13· · · · ·hour.· Do you want to take a quick break? | |\n| 14· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Yes, please. | |\n| 15· · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sure. | |\n| 16· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Terrific.· How long do you | |\n| 17· · · · ·want? | |\n| 18· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Ten minutes? | |\n| 19· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· That's great. | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· As my floor, but if you | |\n| 21· · · · ·want longer that's fine. | |\n| 22· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Ten is fine with me. | |\n| 23· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Okay. | |\n| 24· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 25· · · · ·record at 11:10 a.m.· This marks the end of | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 49 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·Media 1. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are back on the | |\n| ·5· · · · ·record at 11:30 a.m.· This marks the | | |\n| ·6· · · · ·beginning of Media 2. | | |\n| ·7· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Hi, Ms. Conboy.· How are you? | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · Good.· How are you? | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · Good. | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · ·I want to turn to another property. | |\n| 12· ·Do you recall that Mr. Kwok was also interested in | | |\n| 13· ·purchasing a property at 66 Sherwood in July or | | |\n| 14· ·August of 2019? | | |\n| 15· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · What do you recall about that | |\n| | 17· ·potential purchase? | |\n| | 18· · · · ·A.· · I don't think it went very far. I | |\n| | 19· ·don't even think we got contracts. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · ·So that's all I remember.· I don't | |\n| 21· ·think it went far at all. | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall when Mr. Kwok decided | |\n| | 23· ·not to purchase the property? | |\n| | 24· · · · ·A.· · I recall Max letting me know that they | |\n| | 25· ·weren't going to purchase it, but that was it. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 51 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 50 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And it never reached the | |\n| ·3· ·contract stage, right? | |\n| ·4· · · · ·A.· · I don't think so. | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Okay.· We can move on to | |\n| ·6· ·another property. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · · ·I know we spoke earlier about the | |\n| ·8· ·Indian Field property? | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · Right, right. | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you recall anything else | |\n| 11· ·about why -- let me strike that actually. | |\n| 12· · · · · · · ·All right.· The next property that I'm | |\n| 13· ·aware of that they looked at is -- or maybe not | |\n| 14· ·sequentially, but do you recall a property at | |\n| 15· ·11 Hurlingham Drive that was looked at in | |\n| 16· ·December 2020? | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't remember that property. | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Let's me ask you to turn to | |\n| 19· ·Tab 59. | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Are we up to 11? | |\n| 21· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· I think so. | |\n| 22· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Let's mark as | |\n| 23· · · · ·Tab 11, a document Bates stamped WBAM_008335 | |\n| 24· · · · ·through 339. | |\n| 25· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 11, e-mail | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 51 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_008335 through | |\n| ·3· · · · ·339, was marked for identification at this | |\n| ·4· · · · ·time.) | |\n| ·5· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · ·Q.· · Which I believe is an e-mail chain | |\n| ·7· ·between Mr. Krasner, a Mr. Frank Dong, and | |\n| ·8· ·yourself. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 10· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | |\n| 11· · · · ·Q.· · And do you see Mr. Krasner writes at | |\n| 12· ·10:25 a.m. on December 15, 2020:· \"Hi, Frank and | |\n| 13· ·Margaret.· I just spoke with Miles, and he advised | |\n| 14· ·the team will not move forward on this property. | |\n| 15· ·Thank you.\" | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Right. | |\n| 17· · · · ·Q.· · Does that refresh your recollection | |\n| 18· ·about Mr. Krasner informing you and Mr. Dong that | |\n| 19· ·Mr. Kwok did not want to purchase the | |\n| 20· ·11 Hurlingham Drive property? | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember this, but according | |\n| 22· ·to the e-mail, it says Miles advised the team that | |\n| 23· ·they're not going forward. | |\n| 24· · · · ·Q.· · And the vehicle here that Mr. Kwok was | |\n| 25· ·using to potentially make this purchase was -- | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 52 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·appears to be Hudson Diamond, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| ·4· · · · ·Q.· · And that's one of the shell companies | |\n| ·5· ·that Mr. Kwok would use to consider real estate | |\n| ·6· ·purchases, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Objection to form. | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · It was another LLC that they used to | |\n| ·9· ·purchase properties. | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · Right.· And here, it's Mr. Kwok, | |\n| 11· ·correct, that's who Mr. Krasner spoke with? | |\n| 12· · · · ·A.· · Well, that's who -- yeah, that's who | |\n| 13· ·Mr. Krasner said in his e-mail advised him not to | |\n| 14· ·go forward. | |\n| 15· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | |\n| 16· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And let's mark -- turn to | |\n| 17· · · · ·Tab 57, and mark it as Whitman Breed | |\n| 18· · · · ·Exhibit 12, document Bates stamped | |\n| 19· · · · ·WBAM_008641 through 43, which I believe | |\n| 20· · · · ·you'll tell me is a December 14th, so one | |\n| 21· · · · ·day prior, e-mail chain between yourself and | |\n| 22· · · · ·Mr. Frank Dong with regard to 11 Hurlingham | |\n| 23· · · · ·purchased by Hudson Diamond. | |\n| 24· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 12, e-mail | |\n| 25· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_008641 through | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 53 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·643, was marked for identification at this | |\n| ·3· · · · ·time.) | |\n| ·4· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see that? | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Do you remember Mr. Dong? | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember Mr. Dong. | |\n| ·9· · · · ·Q.· · If you look at the first e-mail he | |\n| 10· ·sends you in this chain, which is on 8642, | |\n| 11· ·Mr. Dong writes you and says (as read):· Hi, | |\n| 12· ·Margaret.· Nice to e-meet you.· I am the buy side | |\n| 13· ·agent for the deal.· He goes on and says (as | |\n| 14· ·read):· Boss came to see the house personally. | |\n| 15· ·Sellers spent 11 million to renovate the property | |\n| 16· ·but moved to Florida already.· Boss is willing to | |\n| 17· ·finish the house himself. | |\n| 18· · · · · · · ·Did you understand Mr. Dong to be | |\n| 19· ·referring to Mr. Kwok when he referenced the | |\n| 20· ·\"boss\"? | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember this, and I don't | |\n| 22· ·know.· I don't remember this.· I don't remember | |\n| 23· ·Mr. Dong.· I don't know. | |\n| 24· · · · ·Q.· · But this is an e-mail you -- you have | |\n| 25· ·no question that you received this e-mail from | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 55 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 54 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Mr. Dong, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · Yes, right, correct. | |\n| ·4· · · · ·Q.· · And you're not aware of any other | |\n| ·5· ·decision maker with regard to this property other | |\n| ·6· ·than Mr. Kwok, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · You know, I don't know who else is | |\n| ·8· ·involved.· I mean, I don't know who else makes | |\n| ·9· ·decisions in the family, so, I don't know. | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · Are you aware of -- have you ever been | |\n| 11· ·told that anyone in the family makes decisions | |\n| 12· ·with regard to these properties other than | |\n| 13· ·Mr. Kwok? | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · I've never been told -- I never was | |\n| 15· ·told who made any of the decisions. | |\n| 16· · · · ·Q.· · Well, if we look back at Exhibit 11 -- | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · Right, in their e-mails. | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · In their e-mails, you're told that | |\n| 19· ·Mr. Kwok is the one that's making the decision, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · Right. | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Mr. Krasner does tell you that | |\n| 23· ·Mr. Kwok advised the team not to move forward. | |\n| 24· · · · · · · ·And I want to be clear, you were never | |\n| 25· ·told by Mr. Krasner that any other member of | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 56 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 55 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·Mr. Kwok's family ever made a decision with regard | |\n| | ·3· ·to the purchase or not purchase of any property, | |\n| ·4· ·correct? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · Correct, he never told me who made the | |\n| ·6· ·decisions. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Other than when he told you Mr. Kwok | |\n| | ·8· ·was making decisions? | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · Other than in that e-mail, from what I | |\n| 10· ·remember, yep. | | |\n| | 11· · · · ·Q.· · And we've seen other e-mails where | |\n| 12· ·Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Kwok is referenced as negotiating | | |\n| 13· ·and making decisions, correct? | | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Q.· · So to be clear, you were advised | |\n| | 16· ·periodically that Mr. Kwok was making decisions | |\n| 17· ·with regard to properties, correct? | | |\n| 18· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · And you were never advised that any | |\n| 20· ·other member of Mr. Kwok's family was making | | |\n| 21· ·decisions with regard to properties, correct? | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | 23· · · · ·Q.· · Do you have any recollection of anyone | |\n| | 24· ·in the family ever making a decision with regard | |\n| | 25· ·to a property other than Mr. Kwok? | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 57 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 56 |\n|-------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Do you believe that you were ever told | |\n| ·4· ·that? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I really don't remember | |\n| | ·6· ·if anybody else -- I don't know. | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · I guess what I'm asking is:· When you | |\n| | ·8· ·say you don't know, is that because you think that | |\n| | ·9· ·someone may have and you can't -- you don't have a | |\n| | 10· ·specific recollection or -- | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Let's him finish the | |\n| 12· · · · ·question. | | |\n| | 13· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Right. | |\n| | 14· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, I know you're using your | |\n| | 15· ·best recollection and I appreciate that.· But I | |\n| | 16· ·just -- it's important, I just want to have a | |\n| 17· ·clear record. | | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · ·Do you have a recollection of any | |\n| | 19· ·member of Mr. Kwok's family, other than himself, | |\n| 20· ·ever providing instructions either through | | |\n| | 21· ·Mr. Krasner or directly or any other | |\n| | 22· ·representative with regard to whether to buy or | |\n| | 23· ·sell or how to handle any of the potential | |\n| | 24· ·purchases you were involved with? | |\n| | 25· · · · ·A.· · No, I have no recollection. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 57 |\n|-----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Okay.· Let's move on from that | |\n| ·3· ·property. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · · ·You recall that Mr. Kwok also involved | |\n| | ·5· ·you with regard to the purchase of 33 Ferncliff | |\n| ·6· ·Road? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Objection to form. | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · · ·You can answer. | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· What do you recall about that | |\n| 11· ·transaction? | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · That transaction, he was -- or -- Max | |\n| | 13· ·said that -- I believe that it was going to be -- | |\n| | 14· ·the property was going to be for a family member | |\n| | 15· ·or family members and that house -- he -- or I | |\n| | 16· ·think it was Golden Spring or Greenwich Land | |\n| | 17· ·purchased it and bought the property. | |\n| | 18· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall which family member | |\n| | 19· ·Mr. Krasner said would be living in the property? | |\n| 20· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Did you ever visit the property? | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·Q.· · Were you ever there when anyone from | |\n| | 24· ·the family visited the property? | |\n| | 25· · · · ·A.· · I've never been to the property. | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·2· · · · ·Q.· · Do you know if any member of the
·3· ·family ever visited the property prior to its
·4· ·purchase?
·5· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.
·6· · · · ·Q.· · How would you compare the size of this
·7· ·property to the other properties that Mr. Kwok had
·8· ·been looking at?
·9· · · · ·A.· · This property was less in value. I
10· ·think it was around 2 million.
11· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let's mark as Whitman Breed
12· · · · ·Exhibit 12 --
13· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Fourteen.
14· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fourteen?· Thank you.
15· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Thirteen.
16· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Thirteen?· Even better.
17· · · · · · · ·Okay.· It's Bates stamped WBAM_006317.
18· · · · ·It's Tab 37.· It's an e-mail from -- it
19· · · · ·appears to be an e-mail from Ms. Conboy to a
20· · · · ·Joel Kaye, Gideon Fountain, and Martha
21· · · · ·Jeffrey, August 19, 2019 regarding
22· · · · ·33 Ferncliff.
23· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 13, e-mail
24· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_006317, was marked
25· · · · ·for identification at this time.) | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 58 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 60 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 59 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, do you recall this e-mail | |\n| ·4· ·that you wrote? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember it, but I see I wrote | |\n| ·6· ·it to Joel. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And who is Joel Kaye? | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·A.· · Joel Kaye was the seller's attorney. | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · And you write:· \"I reviewed the | |\n| | 10· ·changes with my client.· The only change he has is | |\n| | 11· ·with the five business-day grace period - he would | |\n| 12· ·like to make it three business days because the | | |\n| 13· ·family is moving from California, their lease | | |\n| 14· ·ends, and they need to get the kids settled and | | |\n| | 15· ·enrolled in school.\" | |\n| | 16· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 18· · · · ·Q.· · And who is the \"he\" being referred to | |\n| 19· ·in this e-mail? | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·A.· · Max.· That would be Max. | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And do you recall Mr. Krasner | |\n| 22· ·telling you that the family that was going to live | | |\n| 23· ·at 33 Ferncliff was moving from California? | | |\n| | 24· · · · ·A.· · He must have since that's what I wrote | |\n| 25· ·in the e-mail. | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 60 |\n|-------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·Q.· · And the suggestion I also assume is | |\n| | ·3· ·that he told you that there were school-aged | |\n| ·4· ·children? | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · So this -- the reference to the | |\n| | ·7· ·\"family\" here is not Mr. Kwok's family, correct, | |\n| | ·8· ·meaning his immediate family? | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · Correct, correct. | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · This wasn't a house for his wife and | |\n| | 11· ·adult children, to your understanding? | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · Not to my understanding. | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you recall what the source | |\n| | 14· ·of funds used to pay for this house was? | |\n| | 15· · · · ·A.· · I don't know. | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · Now, it says:· \"My client is wiring | |\n| | 17· ·the funds to our trustee account.\" | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · ·Do you recall where they wired the | |\n| 19· ·funds from? | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't remember.· I don't know. | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall if they purchased the | |\n| | 22· ·house in cash or if they had financing? | |\n| | 23· · · · ·A.· · There was no financing. | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Did they have to provide any type of | |\n| | 25· ·financial due diligence or representations to the | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 61 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·seller prior to purchasing the house? | | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · I don't know. | | |\n| ·4· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask to mark as | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Exhibit 14, a document behind Tab 39.· It's | | |\n| ·6· · · · ·Bates stamped WBAM_010121, and it is an | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·August 20, 2019 e-mail from yourself to | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Ms. Bruno, subject:· \"Greenwich Land LLC.\" | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 14, e-mail | | |\n| 10· · · · ·dated August 20, 2019, Bates stamped | | |\n| 11· · · · ·WBAM_0101021, was marked for identification | | |\n| 12· · · · ·at this time.) | | |\n| 13· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 14· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see that? | | |\n| 15· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| 16· · · · ·Q.· · Who is Ms. Bruno? | | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · My paralegal. | | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you recall sending this | | |\n| 19· ·e-mail? | | |\n| 20· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember sending it, but I | | |\n| 21· ·sent it.· I don't remember. | | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see you write:· \"Can you check | | |\n| 23· ·who the members are of Greenwich Land LLC - I | | |\n| 24· ·would like to confirm that Max Krasner is a member | | |\n| 25· ·- it is a Delaware LLC.\" | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 62 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · ·Do you recall if Ms. Bruno ever did | |\n| ·3· ·that search? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall if you ever asked | |\n| ·6· ·Mr. Krasner if he was a member of Greenwich Land | | |\n| ·7· ·LLC? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Krasner ever inform you that | |\n| | 10· ·he was not a member of Greenwich Land LLC? | |\n| | 11· · · · ·A.· · Not that I remember. | |\n| | 12· · · · ·Q.· · Do you know -- or I should say, at the | |\n| 13· ·time of the transaction, did you know who the | | |\n| 14· ·member -- who the member or members of Greenwich | | |\n| 15· ·Land LLC were? | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember.· I don't remember. | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · Do you have any recollection with | |\n| 18· ·regard to this issue? | | |\n| 19· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· You can put that | |\n| 21· · · · ·aside. | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · · ·I'm going to mark as Exhibit 15, a | |\n| 23· · · · ·document Bates -- behind Tab 40, Bates | | |\n| 24· · · · ·stamped WBAM_006741, which is an August 30, | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·2019 e-mail between yourself Mr. Kaye and a | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 64 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 63 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · ·number of cc's. | | |\n| ·3· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 15, e-mail | | |\n| ·4· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_006741, was marked | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·for identification at this time.) | | |\n| ·6· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see that? | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| ·9· · · · ·Q.· · It says (as read):· Joel, my clients | | |\n| 10· ·were at the house, the U-Haul truck hit the side | | |\n| 11· ·of the house.· My client is sending me pictures. | | |\n| 12· ·Brick will need to be replaced. | | |\n| 13· · · · · · · ·Do you recall anything about this? | | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · Just that Max called and said that I | | |\n| 15· ·guess this U-Haul truck hit the side of the house, | | |\n| 16· ·and I don't remember how we -- I don't remember | | |\n| 17· ·how we resolved it, if Joel's -- if the seller | | |\n| 18· ·gave a credit or -- or not.· I don't remember. | | |\n| 19· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall who was specifically at | | |\n| 20· ·the house when the U-Haul truck hit it? | | |\n| 21· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't. | | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| 23· · · · · · · ·Did Mr. Krasner ever tell you about | | |\n| 24· ·any members of Mr. Kwok's family other than | | |\n| 25· ·Mr. Kwok ever visiting this property? | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 64 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·A.· · Not that I remember. | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Objection to form. | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·A.· · Not that I remember. | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· I ask to mark | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Exhibit 16, Whitman Breed deposition | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Exhibit 16, a document behind Tab 41, Bates | | |\n| ·9· · · · ·stamped WBAM_007160 through 64, which is an | | |\n| 10· · · · ·e-mail chain between Ms. Bruno, Mr. Krasner, | | |\n| 11· · · · ·and yourself. | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 16, e-mail | |\n| 13· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_007160 through | | |\n| 14· · · · ·164, was marked for identification at this | | |\n| 15· · · · ·time.) | | |\n| 16· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · And specifically, do you see that | |\n| 18· ·document? | | |\n| 19· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · It appears to be an e-mail chain | |\n| 21· ·described? | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·A.· · Excuse me? | |\n| | 23· · · · ·Q.· · Does it appear to be an e-mail chain | |\n| 24· ·between Mr. Krasner and Ms. Bruno and yourself | | |\n| 25· ·with regard to 33 Ferncliff's inspections? | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 65 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · If you turn to the Bates stamp ending | |\n| | ·4· ·161, there is an e-mail from Mr. Krasner to | |\n| ·5· ·Ms. Bruno and yourself on October 21st in which he | | |\n| | ·6· ·says:· \"Okay.· Thanks.· Let me know what date and | |\n| | ·7· ·I will advise the tenant ahead of time.\" | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · · ·Ms. Conboy, do you recall that the | |\n| | ·9· ·33 Ferncliff property was going to be rented to a | |\n| 10· ·tenant? | | |\n| | 11· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember that.· I don't | |\n| 12· ·remember that. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · What -- as a real estate professional, | |\n| | 14· ·how would you understand when someone refers to | |\n| 15· ·that there being a tenant, does that make you | | |\n| | 16· ·understand there to be -- it's to be a rental? | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · Well, that there's a -- that there | |\n| | 18· ·would be a lease and they're paying rent or the | |\n| 19· ·people are living there and paying rent. | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask to mark as | |\n| 21· · · · ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 17, a document Bates | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·stamped WBAM_000002 through 05. | |\n| | 23· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· That's Tab 42, right? | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes, sir. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 17, Trust | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 67 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 66 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·Ledger, Bates stamped WBAM_000002 through 5, | | |\n| ·3· · · · ·was marked for identification at this time.) | | |\n| ·4· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, do you recognize this | |\n| ·6· ·document? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · Yes.· It's a trust ledger for -- for a | |\n| ·8· ·trustee account. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · Can you explain to me what that is? | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · So when we represent anyone in a | |\n| 11· ·purchase or sale, the money flows through our | | |\n| 12· ·trustee account, and this is -- and it shows what | | |\n| 13· ·goes in, what's wired out, what checks are -- | | |\n| 14· ·are -- go out with a transaction or cut for a | | |\n| 15· ·transaction. | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · Could you walk me through this | |\n| 17· ·document generally, what the flow of funds were | | |\n| 18· ·for this transaction? | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·A.· · So the first part is the purchase of | |\n| 20· ·Ferncliff. | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · And who's the party making the | |\n| 22· ·purchase of -- it says:· \"Golden Spring\" -- | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·A.· · Golden Spring and Greenwich Land. | |\n| 24· ·This is Greenwich Land. | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·Q.· · So who's the one making the purchase | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 67 |\n|----------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·here? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·A.· · Greenwich Land, it looks like. | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · But the first entry says:· \"On behalf | |\n| | ·5· ·of Golden Spring.\" | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · · ·So can you just help me sort out how | |\n| | ·7· ·this works because -- | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· So can I just ask the | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·witness to test -- Avi, are you asking her | |\n| | 10· · · · ·for her memory of the structure of the | |\n| | 11· · · · ·transaction or are you asking her what the | |\n| | 12· · · · ·document is saying?· Because I thought it | |\n| | 13· · · · ·was what the document was saying. | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, look, if there is a | |\n| | 15· · · · ·difference, I would like to know.· I'm just | |\n| | 16· · · · ·really -- Ms. Conboy is -- as your | |\n| | 17· · · · ·representative, I'm just asking her to | |\n| | 18· · · · ·explain to me how -- how to understand this | |\n| 19· · · · ·ledger. | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · ·And I don't know if there's a | |\n| | 21· · · · ·distinction between how she understands it | |\n| | 22· · · · ·today, so I could ask that foundational | |\n| 23· · · · ·question. | | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Well, there might be | |\n| | 25· · · · ·other documents -- if you want to know how | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 69 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 68 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·it was structured or purchased or whatever, | |\n| ·3· · · · ·there might be other documents that are, you | |\n| ·4· · · · ·know, better for that than this. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I just want to understand | |\n| ·6· · · · ·how this document works.· This is -- well, | |\n| ·7· · · · ·why don't we just take it in pieces. | |\n| ·8· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · ·Q.· · This is Whitman Breed's trust ledger, | |\n| 10· ·correct? | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · Right, right.· It's an accounting. | |\n| 12· ·It's our accounting.· So for every sale we do | |\n| 13· ·this. | |\n| 14· · · · · · · ·So it looks like -- it looks like a | |\n| 15· ·million two came in on August 27th on behalf of | |\n| 16· ·Golden Spring. | |\n| 17· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | |\n| 18· · · · ·A.· · And then it was Capital One, but then | |\n| 19· ·it has Greenwich, so it was probably for the | |\n| 20· ·benefit of Greenwich Land LLC. | |\n| 21· · · · · · · ·And then these checks on the other | |\n| 22· ·side are everything that's going out, like First | |\n| 23· ·American Title Insurance, the balance due to the | |\n| 24· ·other attorney, the down payment -- let's see -- | |\n| 25· ·the Town of Greenwich recording fees.· So those | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 69 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·are all the items coming out. | |\n| ·3· · · · ·Q.· · And they all say:· \"On behalf of | |\n| ·4· ·Golden Springs.\"· So if I'm following along, this | |\n| ·5· ·is Golden Spring paying the 1.24 million on behalf | |\n| ·6· ·of Greenwich Land, and then there's all the money | |\n| ·7· ·that goes out and that's all -- it says:· \"On | |\n| ·8· ·behalf of\" -- so those are payments being made on | |\n| ·9· ·behalf of Golden Spring out of the account, | |\n| 10· ·correct? | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I can't say that for | |\n| 12· ·sure because our accounting -- I don't know if | |\n| 13· ·that's correct or not.· Because the accounting, | |\n| 14· ·they just used -- those are numbers of how we | |\n| 15· ·refer to matters.· I don't know if that's actually | |\n| 16· ·how it -- how they -- how -- if Golden Spring -- I | |\n| 17· ·don't know.· I don't know. | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · Well, what does it mean when it says | |\n| 19· ·(as read):· Out:· J.P. Morgan Chase on behalf of | |\n| 20· ·Golden Spring, just explain, how does that work? | |\n| 21· ·What does that mean? | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · I'd have to ask my bookkeeper. I | |\n| 23· ·don't know. | |\n| 24· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Form. | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · Does it indicate that this is a | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 71 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 70 |\n|----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·payment on behalf of anyone other than Golden | |\n| ·3· ·Spring? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·A.· · Or of Greenwich Land.· I don't -- | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · There's no reference to Greenwich Land | |\n| ·6· ·there, right? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · Yes -- yeah, there is. | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Where? | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · Greenwich Land LLC purchased | |\n| 10· ·33 Ferncliff. | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · ·These are questions that you'd have to | |\n| | 12· ·ask my bookkeeper, because I really don't know how | |\n| | 13· ·they label these things, but you've got Greenwich | |\n| | 14· ·Land LLC up there, too. | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Q.· · Well, under \"In,\" they received money | |\n| | 16· ·from -- right, there's money coming in from Golden | |\n| | 17· ·Spring on behalf of Greenwich Land, that's what | |\n| | 18· ·you told me, right? | |\n| | 19· · · · ·A.· · That's what it says here. | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · For all the \"out\" entries, all the | |\n| | 21· ·outs just reference Golden Spring, not Greenwich | |\n| 22· ·Land, correct? | | |\n| 23· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Hey, Avi, do you want | |\n| | 25· · · · ·to go off the record for a minute? | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 71 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · · ·If you want to go off the record, we | |\n| ·3· · · · ·can probably explain it a little bit more | |\n| ·4· · · · ·clearly. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure, we can go off the | |\n| ·6· · · · ·record for a second. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| ·8· · · · ·record at 11:57 a.m. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 10· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are back on the | |\n| 11· · · · ·record at 11:59 a.m. | |\n| 12· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, a couple other questions. | |\n| 14· · · · · · · ·In the middle, there's a grayed | |\n| 15· ·outline which says:· \"In:· Converted from tabs on | |\n| 16· ·behalf of Golden Spring.\"· On the bottom, it says: | |\n| 17· ·\"Hudson Diamond.\" | |\n| 18· · · · · · · ·Is that money coming in from Hudson | |\n| 19· ·Diamond into this account? | |\n| 20· · · · ·A.· · I'm not sure where you're looking. | |\n| 21· · · · ·Q.· · Right in the middle, there's a big | |\n| 22· ·gray box, it says:· \"In.\" | |\n| 23· · · · · · · ·Entry No. 795777? | |\n| 24· · · · ·A.· · 795777. | |\n| 25· · · · · · · ·That was your receipts.· So it looks | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 72 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·like -- oh, I see here.· There was a receipt for | |\n| ·3· ·\\$2,800. | |\n| ·4· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· My question is just:· Is that | |\n| ·5· ·money coming from Hudson Diamond, because it says: | |\n| ·6· ·\"In\"? | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · Again, I don't know.· It's not clear | |\n| ·8· ·to me if -- it's not clear.· I don't understand | |\n| ·9· ·how they're -- how this program was working. | |\n| 10· · · · ·Q.· · Understood. | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · Yeah. | |\n| 12· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· I guess we'll try to clarify it | |\n| 13· ·later. | |\n| 14· · · · · · · ·One other question, if you can answer | |\n| 15· ·it:· If you turn to the next page, there's an | |\n| 16· ·entry that says 1102379, and it's a distribution | |\n| 17· ·of approximately 2.27 million on behalf of Golden | |\n| 18· ·Spring, and it says:· \"Bank:· The First Bank of | |\n| 19· ·Greenwich.\"· Regarding net sale proceeds, 33 -- | |\n| 20· ·can you just -- is that the bank account from | |\n| 21· ·which -- | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · That's the bank -- they told us to -- | |\n| 23· ·Max Krasner told us to wire the sales proceeds to | |\n| 24· ·that account. | |\n| 25· · · · ·Q.· · Got it. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 74 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 73 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · · · · ·So this is money that -- | | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · The sale proceeds. | | |\n| ·4· · · · ·Q.· · This is from when the house, 33 | | |\n| ·5· ·Ferncliff, was sold? | | |\n| ·6· · · · ·A.· · Right, correct. | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Q.· · So when 33 Ferncliff was sold again | | |\n| ·8· ·and Mr. Kwok was the seller, this was the bank | | |\n| ·9· ·account that the money was sent to, correct?· This | | |\n| 10· ·is First Bank of Greenwich? | | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · That's what Max advised me to wire it | | |\n| 12· ·to that account. | | |\n| 13· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· There is a block over the | | |\n| 14· ·account number. | | |\n| 15· · · · · · · ·Is that a redaction you made or the | | |\n| 16· ·firm made? | | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · Yeah. | | |\n| 18· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· We'd ask that you | | |\n| 19· · · · ·provide us with the full account number. | | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·So, Michael, maybe that's something | | |\n| 21· · · · ·maybe you can get accounting to provide us | | |\n| 22· · · · ·as well. | | |\n| 23· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Did Mr. Krasner tell you whose | | |\n| 24· ·bank account that was? | | |\n| 25· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 75 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 74 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·Q.· · And that's not the bank account from | |\n| | ·3· ·which the funds were given to originally purchase | |\n| | ·4· ·the house, correct? | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I don't know. | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · If we look at the trust ledger, that | |\n| | ·7· ·was a Capital One account? | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· You have to answer | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·\"yes\" or \"no.\" | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · Yes, yes. | |\n| | 11· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So the money to purchase | |\n| 12· ·33 Ferncliff came from a Capital One account but | | |\n| 13· ·the proceeds from selling that home in 2022 went | | |\n| 14· ·to a First Bank of Greenwich account, correct? | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · And you were never told in whose name | |\n| 17· ·that First Bank of Greenwich bank account | | |\n| 18· ·belonged, correct? | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · Do you have any other information | |\n| 21· ·about who received the proceeds of 33 Ferncliff | | |\n| 22· ·other than the fact that it was sent to this First | | |\n| 23· ·Bank of Greenwich account? | | |\n| 24· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 25· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Are we up to 18, I believe? | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 76 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 75 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · · ·Does that sound right to everyone? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Yes. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I ask to mark as Whitman | |\n| ·5· · · · ·Breed Deposition Exhibit 18, a document | |\n| ·6· · · · ·behind Tab 60, Bates stamped 008330 through | |\n| ·7· · · · ·34, which is an e-mail chain between | |\n| ·8· · · · ·Mr. Krasner and Ms. Conboy regarding | |\n| ·9· · · · ·33 Ferncliff dated February 10, 2021. | |\n| 10· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 18, e-mail | |\n| 11· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_008330 through | |\n| 12· · · · ·334, was marked for identification at this | |\n| 13· · · · ·time.) | |\n| 14· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Are you saying 8330 to | |\n| 15· · · · ·334? | |\n| 16· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes. | |\n| 17· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, do you recognize this | |\n| 19· ·e-mail chain between you and Mr. Krasner? | |\n| 20· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember it, but it's an | |\n| 21· ·e-mail chain between us, but I don't remember. | |\n| 22· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see Mr. Krasner in February of | |\n| 23· ·2021 talks about gifting 33 Ferncliff to a Qing | |\n| 24· ·Cai? | |\n| 25· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 76 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · What do you recall about any | |\n| | ·4· ·discussions regarding the gifting of 33 Ferncliff | |\n| ·5· ·to a Qing Cai? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember anything about that. | |\n| | ·7· ·I don't remember gifting it.· I don't remember if | |\n| | ·8· ·we ever even filed the deed quitclaiming it to | |\n| ·9· ·that person. | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · And ultimately, that wasn't done | |\n| | 11· ·because in fact -- | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · Title is still in Greenwich Land. | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · Right, because they sell it | |\n| 14· ·landlocked? | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·A.· · Yeah, so I don't remember. | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · Do you have any recollection about who | |\n| 17· ·Qing Cai was? | | |\n| 18· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see from Exhibit 18, it appears | |\n| 20· ·that Qing Cai was the person -- the tenant living | | |\n| 21· ·at 33 Ferncliff Road? | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·A.· · That the -- Max has her -- has his or | |\n| | 23· ·her address as 33 Ferncliff. | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall any discussion about | |\n| | 25· ·Mr. Kwok wanting to gift the property to Ms. Cai | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 77 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·or to anyone else? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·A.· · As I said, I haven't talked to -- I | |\n| | ·4· ·never talked to Mr. Kwok.· It was Max.· So I don't | |\n| | ·5· ·remember Max telling me about gifting it. | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · But you understood Mr. Krasner worked | |\n| | ·7· ·for the owner, not that Mr. Krasner was the owner, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·A.· · Right, correct, correct. | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Do you have any recollection about why | |\n| 11· ·the decision was made not to gift it and, in fact, | | |\n| 12· ·to hold onto the property? | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't. | |\n| | 14· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you recall -- we've talked a | |\n| | 15· ·little bit about this -- that in April of 2022, in | |\n| 16· ·fact, 33 Ferncliff Road was sold? | | |\n| 17· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| | 18· · · · ·Q.· · When was the first time you heard that | |\n| 19· ·the owner of 33 Ferncliff wanted to sell the | | |\n| 20· ·property? | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·A.· · I -- I don't remember.· It would | |\n| 22· ·either be from Max or the broker.· I don't | | |\n| 23· ·remember which one. | | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Did they ever tell you anything about | |\n| | 25· ·why they wanted to sell the house? | |\n\n| ·2· · · · ·A.· · No.
·3· · · · ·Q.· · Did they ever discuss with you the
·4· ·fact that there was an order from a New York State
·5· ·Court restraining sale of assets of Mr. Kwok?
·6· · · · ·A.· · No.
·7· · · · ·Q.· · Or that they had been served process
·8· ·with regard to not selling this house?
·9· · · · ·A.· · No.
10· · · · ·Q.· · That's not something Mr. Krasner told
11· ·you, correct?
12· · · · ·A.· · No, correct.
13· · · · ·Q.· · How long do you recall the process
14· ·being from when the house -- when you were first
15· ·told that they were thinking of selling the house
16· ·to when it was sold?
17· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember the dates. I
18· ·don't -- I don't know.· I don't remember the
19· ·dates.
20· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall it being a relatively
21· ·quick process?
22· · · · ·A.· · No.· I don't remember.· I don't
23· ·remember it being relatively quick.· I don't
24· ·remember how long it took.
25· · · · ·Q.· · Given the fact that at some point you | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 78 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 80 of 99\n\n| | | Page 79 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| ·9· ·Greenwich bank account, do you have any knowledge | | |\n| 10· ·as to where the proceeds for 33 Ferncliff went | | |\n| 11· ·once they were transferred? | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 19· ·with her? | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 22· ·that refresh your recollection? | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | ·5· ·sold?
16· ·wife? | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY
·2· ·were told that the property was going to be
·3· ·gifted, do you recall ever being surprised to hear
·4· ·that now they were -- now the property was to be
·6· · · · ·A.· · No, I -- no, I wasn't surprised.
·7· · · · ·Q.· · And other than the fact that the
·8· ·proceeds or the money were sent to the First
12· · · · ·A.· · No, no.· No.
13· · · · ·Q.· · Did you ever speak with Mrs. Kwok?
14· · · · ·A.· · No.
15· · · · ·Q.· · Do you know the name of Mr. Kwok's
17· · · · ·A.· · I have no idea, no.
18· · · · ·Q.· · Have you ever had any communications
20· · · · ·A.· · No.
21· · · · ·Q.· · If I said the name Hin Chi Nok, would
23· · · · ·A.· · Nope.
24· · · · ·Q.· · Were you ever given any instructions
25· ·from someone on behalf of Mr. -- Ms. Nok with |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 81 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 80 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·regard to any of the properties? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·A.· · Not that I'm aware of. | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · Do you know if Ms. Nok had any | |\n| ·5· ·involvement whatsoever in connection with the sale | | |\n| ·6· ·of 33 Ferncliff? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · I have no idea. | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · How about the debtor's son, Miles' | |\n| ·9· ·son, Guo? | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·A.· · I don't know, no. | |\n| | 11· · · · ·Q.· · Have you ever heard that name before? | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · No, I haven't. | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · Have you ever heard the name Chen Guo? | |\n| 14· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Q.· · Did you ever receive any instructions | |\n| 16· ·with regard to 33 Ferncliff that you were told | | |\n| 17· ·were being given on behalf of Mr. Chen Guo -- | | |\n| | 18· · · · ·A.· · Yeah, not that I'm aware of. | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · And the same question:· Were you ever | |\n| 20· ·given any -- were you ever told -- are you aware | | |\n| 21· ·of any involvement that Mae Guo had with -- in | | |\n| 22· ·connection with 33 Ferncliff? | | |\n| 23· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · In all your communications with | |\n| 25· ·Mr. Krasner, did he ever tell you that he needed | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 82 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 81 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·to get approval from Mr. Kwok's son prior to | | |\n| ·3· ·making any decisions? | | |\n| ·4· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Did Mr. Krasner ever tell you that he | |\n| ·6· ·needed to get approval from Mr. Kwok's wife, | | |\n| | ·7· ·Ms. Nok, prior to making any decisions? | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · Did he ever tell you he needed to get | |\n| | 10· ·approval from Mr. Kwok's daughter, Ms. Mae Guo, | |\n| 11· ·prior to making any decisions? | | |\n| 12· · · · ·A.· · No. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · Is that true for all properties that | |\n| | 14· ·you looked at on behalf of Mr. Kwok? | |\n| 15· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| 16· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· We can put that to one | |\n| 18· · · · ·side. | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · Now, there was another property that | |\n| 20· ·involved Mr. Kwok where you did not represent him, | | |\n| 21· ·right, 373 Taconic Road? | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·A.· · That's right. | |\n| | 23· · · · ·Q.· · And you represented the seller when | |\n| 24· ·Mr. Kwok was the buyer of that property, correct? | | |\n| | 25· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | | Page 82 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | |\n| | ·2· · · · ·Q.· · And did you get a waiver such that you | |\n| | ·3· ·could represent the seller in that property even | |\n| | ·4· ·though Mr. Kwok was to be the buyer? | |\n| ·5· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · What do you recall about that | |\n| ·7· ·transaction? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·A.· · I don't recall anything unusual in the | |\n| | ·9· ·transaction, nothing out of the ordinary. | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you recall receiving | |\n| | 11· ·financial due diligence from the potential buyer | |\n| 12· ·prior to completing -- entering into a contract? | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't. | |\n| | 14· · · · ·Q.· · How about once a contract was entered | |\n| 15· ·into? | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·A.· · No, I don't. | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall if there was financing | |\n| 18· ·for this home? | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·A.· · Excuse me? | |\n| | 20· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall if there was any | |\n| 21· ·financing for this home? | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·A.· · I don't -- I don't remember.· I don't | |\n| 23· ·know. | | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Do you recall what funds Mr. Kwok used | |\n| | 25· ·to purchase 3073 Ferncliff -- Taconic Road -- | |\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 83 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | | |\n| ·2· ·excuse me? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·A.· · I don't know. | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And your client was a | |\n| ·5· ·Mr. Augustine, correct? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · And you had represented Mr. Augustine | |\n| ·8· ·previously? | | |\n| ·9· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · Do you remember Mr. Emile deNeree was | |\n| 11· ·the broker on behalf of the buyer for that | | |\n| 12· ·transaction? | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember. | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let's mark as Whitman Breed | |\n| | 15· · · · ·Deposition Exhibit 19.· Is that right? | |\n| | 16· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Yep. | |\n| | 17· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · ·Document behind Tab 55.· Document | |\n| 19· · · · ·Bates stamped WBAM_009051 through 53, which | | |\n| 20· · · · ·I believe you'll tell me is an e-mail chain | | |\n| 21· · · · ·between yourself, Mr. deNeree, Mr. Krasner | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·and Ms. Bruno regarding 373 Taconic Road. | |\n| | 23· · · · · · · ·(Whitman Breed Exhibit 19, e-mail | |\n| | 24· · · · ·chain, Bates stamped WBAM_009051 through 53, | |\n| | 25· · · · ·was marked for identification at this time.) | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 84 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·Q.· · Do you see that? | |\n| ·4· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · And, in fact, there's an earlier | |\n| ·6· ·e-mail in the chain also from a Ms. Julie Burke to | | |\n| | ·7· ·Mr. deNeree that starts this all off, right? | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · And she has questions regarding funds | |\n| 10· ·still being held in escrow, correct? | | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·Q.· · And then Mr. deNeree writes to you on | |\n| 13· ·August 19th, and he says:· \"Dear Margaret and | | |\n| 14· ·Max\" -- that's you and Mr. Krasner, correct? | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · \"The sellers for 373 Taconic\" -- and | |\n| 17· ·that's Mr. Augustine, your client, right? | | |\n| 18· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · \"Which was bought by Miles under | |\n| 20· ·Greenwich Land\" -- and that's Mr. Kwok purchasing | | |\n| 21· ·it through Greenwich Land, correct? | | |\n| | 22· · · · ·A.· · I -- yeah, that's what it says. | |\n| 23· ·That's what the e-mail says. | | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Did you have any different | |\n| 25· ·understanding about the transaction? | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 85 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember how they purchased | |\n| ·3· ·it.· I really don't remember. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· \"Are asking that the escrow | |\n| ·5· ·accounts be released.\" | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · · ·Do you see that? | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·A.· · Yes. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · And you inform Mr. deNeree that you | |\n| ·9· ·represented Mr. Augustine, so either Mr. Krasner | | |\n| 10· ·or the purchasing attorney would be the one that | | |\n| 11· ·needed to be contacted, correct? | | |\n| 12· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · And Mr. deNeree was the broker for | |\n| 14· ·the buyer, not the seller, correct? | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·A.· · I don't remember, but it looks like | |\n| 16· ·that from the e-mail. | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·Q.· · And he's saying -- as the broker for | |\n| 18· ·the buyer, he's saying that the house was | | |\n| 19· ·bought -- he's telling you that the house was | | |\n| 20· ·bought by Mr. Kwok under the name of Greenwich | | |\n| 21· ·Land; correct? | | |\n| 22· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | |\n| 23· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · ·When was the last transaction you | |\n| | 25· ·performed on behalf of Mr. Kwok, Greenwich Land, | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 87 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 86 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·Golden Springs or any other entity affiliated with | | | |\n| | ·3· ·Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·A.· · It was the sale of Ferncliff. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · And otherwise, you were just -- you | | |\n| | ·6· ·were on the opposite side of the transaction with | | |\n| | ·7· ·regard to 373 Taconic Road, correct? | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | | | |\n| | ·9· · · · ·Q.· · Have you ever been on the opposite | | |\n| | 10· ·side of any other transactions involving Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| | 11· · · · ·A.· · No.· Not that I'm aware of, no. | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·Q.· · Since the Ferncliff property, has | | |\n| 13· ·Mr. Kwok or Mr. Krasner or anyone else affiliated | | | |\n| 14· ·with Mr. Kwok ever reached out to you with | | | |\n| | 15· ·regard -- or your firm with regard to any other | | |\n| 16· ·potential work? | | | |\n| | 17· · · · ·A.· · I don't think so.· Not that I recall. | | |\n| | 18· · · · ·Q.· · Are you aware of any other attorneys | | |\n| 19· ·that have represented Mr. Kwok in connection with | | | |\n| 20· ·real estate dealings? | | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·A.· · No, not that I know of.· Just 373 | | |\n| 22· ·but -- I don't -- that's it. | | | |\n| | 23· · · · ·Q.· · Other than finding out through Google | | |\n| 24· ·that Mr. Kwok is a billionaire of Chinese descent, | | | |\n| | 25· ·what else did you learn about Mr. Kwok in your | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 88 of 99\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | | Page 87 | |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·dealings with him? | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · ·A.· · That was it.· I really didn't learn | | |\n| | ·4· ·too much about him. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·Q.· · Did any of the brokers ever tell you | | |\n| | ·6· ·anything about Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·A.· · No.· Not that I remember, no. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·Q.· · Did you ever come to learn anything | | |\n| ·9· ·about the entity called \"Greenwich Land\" other | | | |\n| 10· ·than what we've discussed today? | | | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · No. | | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·Q.· · Do you know of any person other than | | |\n| 13· ·Mr. Kwok who has any interest or control over | | | |\n| 14· ·Greenwich Land? | | | |\n| | 15· · · · ·A.· · I have no idea. | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·Q.· · Were you ever told that there was | | |\n| 17· ·anyone other than Mr. Kwok who controlled | | | |\n| 18· ·Greenwich Land? | | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·A.· · I wasn't told who, as I said, | | |\n| 20· ·controlled it. | | | |\n| | 21· · · · ·Q.· · Were you ever told who had controlled | | |\n| 22· ·Golden Spring? | | | |\n| 23· · · · ·A.· · No. | | | |\n| | 24· · · · ·Q.· · Were you ever told that there was any | | |\n| 25· ·decision maker other than Mr. Kwok in connection | | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 89 of 99\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 88 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·with real estate transactions related to the work | | |\n| ·3· ·you were doing for Golden Spring, Greenwich Land, | | |\n| | ·4· ·or Hudson Diamond? | |\n| | ·5· · · · ·A.· · I was never told who was making the | |\n| | ·6· ·decisions on any of them. | |\n| | ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Except -- well -- | |\n| | ·8· · · · ·A.· · Yeah, except in the e-mails, whatever | |\n| | ·9· ·was sent to me, but that was it. | |\n| | 10· · · · ·Q.· · And in those e-mails, the only person | |\n| | 11· ·referenced was Miles Kwok, correct? | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | |\n| | 13· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Why don't we take a | |\n| 14· · · · ·quick break. | | |\n| 15· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· How long are you | | |\n| 16· · · · ·thinking? | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Ten minutes? | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Okay.· I'll go run over | |\n| 19· · · · ·to the accounting people and see if I can | | |\n| 20· · · · ·get that question answered. | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yeah, if you could check | |\n| | 22· · · · ·for that account number, too, that would be | |\n| 23· · · · ·great. | | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· Okay.· Thanks. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 89 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | | |\n| ·2· · · · ·record at 12:23 p.m. | | |\n| ·3· · · · · · · ·(Recess.) | | |\n| ·4· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are back on the | | |\n| ·5· · · · ·record at 12:38 p.m. | | |\n| ·6· · ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·Q.· · Ms. Conboy, I'm going to ask you to | | |\n| ·8· ·pull out Deposition Exhibit 17 again, which was | | |\n| ·9· ·Bates stamped WBAM_00002 through 00005. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · · ·Do you have that in front of you? | | |\n| 11· · · · ·A.· · I do. | | |\n| 12· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Now, your counsel has told me | | |\n| 13· ·he's going to send me a non-redacted version with | | |\n| 14· ·regard to the account for First Bank of Greenwich, | | |\n| 15· ·so that will take care of that.· Okay? | | |\n| 16· · · · ·A.· · Right.· Sure, yep. | | |\n| 17· · · · ·Q.· · And then I believe -- and I just want | | |\n| 18· ·to clarify, because I believe you've done a little | | |\n| 19· ·digging, which is very helpful, which is to say | | |\n| 20· ·the entries with regard to which bank, whether it | | |\n| 21· ·be Capital One or First Greenwich, all those -- | | |\n| 22· ·those are actual manual entries done by Whitman | | |\n| 23· ·Breed's accounting department based on the | | |\n| 24· ·information they know to be true, correct? | | |\n| 25· · · · ·A.· · That's right, yeah, correct. | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 90 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · ·Q.· · Terrific. | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· You can put that | | |\n| | ·4· · · · ·aside. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· All right.· Ms. Conboy, we've | | |\n| | ·7· ·talked about a number of properties today. I | | |\n| ·8· ·believe every one we've talked about, with the | | | |\n| ·9· ·exception of 373 Taconic, are properties that you | | | |\n| | 10· ·represented Mr. Kwok's interests in as potential | | |\n| 11· ·purchases.· I know -- is that correct? | | | |\n| | 12· · · · ·A.· · Correct, correct. | | |\n| | 13· · · · ·Q.· · And for all of those, I believe you | | |\n| 14· ·interacted with Mr. Max Krasner as the | | | |\n| | 15· ·representative of Mr. Kwok, correct? | | |\n| | 16· · · · ·A.· · Correct. | | |\n| 17· · · · ·Q.· · Okay. | | | |\n| 18· · · · ·A.· · Right. | | | |\n| | 19· · · · ·Q.· · In your dealings with Mr. Krasner as | | |\n| 20· ·Mr. Kwok's representative in connection with the | | | |\n| 21· ·purchase of 33 Ferncliff, was there any difference | | | |\n| 22· ·in how you interacted with him with regard to that | | | |\n| 23· ·property as opposed to the interactions you had | | | |\n| 24· ·with Mr. Krasner in connection with any of the | | | |\n| 25· ·other properties Mr. Kwok considered purchasing | | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · MARGARET E. CONBOY | Page 91 | | | | |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|--|--|--|\n| | | | | | |\n| ·2· ·but did not purchase? | | | | | |\n| ·3· · · · ·A.· · No, no. | | | | | |\n| ·4· · · · ·Q.· · Great. | | | | | |\n| ·5· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Ms. Conboy, one last thing | | | | | |\n| ·6· · · · ·of housekeeping we talked about is that as | | | | | |\n| ·7· · · · ·we -- I've talked with your counsel, I | | | | | |\n| ·8· · · · ·mentioned to you, we're going to work on an | | | | | |\n| ·9· · · · ·affidavit or declaration with regard to | | | | | |\n| 10· · · · ·authentication and business record just so | | | | | |\n| 11· · · · ·we could save your time, but subject to | | | | | |\n| 12· · · · ·getting that wrapped up and getting a | | | | | |\n| 13· · · · ·declaration put in, I have no further | | | | | |\n| 14· · · · ·questions for you at this time. | | | | | |\n| 15· · · · · · · ·Thank you very much. | | | | | |\n| 16· · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you.· Thank you. | | | | | |\n| 17· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Did you have anything, | | | | | |\n| 18· · · · ·Mr. Thomason? | | | | | |\n| 19· · · · · · · ·MR. THOMASON:· No. | | | | | |\n| 20· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Okay.· Are we all set | | | | | |\n| 21· · · · ·to go off the record, Counsel? | | | | | |\n| 22· · · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· We are. | | | | | |\n| 23· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· This concludes today's | | | | | |\n| 24· · · · ·testimony of Margaret E. Conboy.· We're | | | | | |\n| 25· · · · ·going off the record at 12:41 p.m.· This | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n\n| ·1 | |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· · · · ·also concludes Media 2. |\n| | ·3· · · · · · · ·(Whereupon the proceedings were |\n| | ·4· · · · ·concluded at 12:41 p.m.) |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · · · · · oOo |\n| | ·6· · · · · · · ·I, MARGARET E. CONBOY, the witness |\n| | ·7· · · · ·herein, do hereby certify that the foregoing |\n| | ·8· · · · ·testimony of the pages of this deposition to |\n| | ·9· · · · ·be a true and correct transcript, subject to |\n| | 10· · · · ·the corrections, if any, shown on the |\n| | 11· · · · ·attached page. |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·__________________________ |\n| | 13· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·MARGARET E. CONBOY |\n| | 14· ·Subscribed and sworn to before me this |\n| | 15· ·_______day of _______________,_______. |\n| 16 | |\n| | 17· ·_____________________________________ |\n| 18 | |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1 | | Page 93 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · · CERTIFICATE | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·I, AMY A. RIVERA, a Certified Shorthand | |\n| | ·4· ·Reporter, Registered Professional Reporter, | |\n| | ·5· ·Certified LiveNote Reporter, and Notary Public of | |\n| | ·6· ·the State of New Jersey, do hereby certify that | |\n| | ·7· ·prior to the commencement of the examination | |\n| | ·8· ·MARGARET E. CONBOY, was duly sworn by me to testify | |\n| | ·9· ·the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the | |\n| | 10· ·truth. | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that the foregoing is | |\n| | 12· ·a true and accurate transcript of the testimony as | |\n| | 13· ·taken stenographically by and before me at the time, | |\n| | 14· ·place and on the date hereinbefore set forth. | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a | |\n| | 16· ·relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of | |\n| | 17· ·any of the parties to this action, and that I am | |\n| | 18· ·neither a relative nor employee of such attorney or | |\n| | 19· ·counsel, and that I am not financially interested in | |\n| | 20· ·the action. | |\n| 21 | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·________________________________________ | |\n| | · · · · · · · ·Amy A. Rivera, CSR, RPR, CLR
23· · · · · · ·Notary Public of the State of New Jersey | |\n| | · · · · · · · ·My commission expires July 29, 2025
24· · · · · · ·License No. XI00939 | |\n| | 25· ·Dated:· February 21, 2023 | |\n\n| ·1 | | Page 94 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · · · ·INDEX | |\n| | ·3· ·WITNESS· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE | |\n| | ·4· ·MARGARET E. CONBOY | |\n| | ·5· ·By Mr. Luft· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 6 | |\n| ·6 | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · · · · · · · EXHIBITS | |\n| | ·8· ·NUMBER· · · · · · · · · ·DESCRIPTION· · · · · PAGE | |\n| | ·9· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 1· Letter dated October· ·19 | |\n| | 10· · · · · · · · · · · · · · 1, 2018, Bates | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_001464 | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 465 | |\n| | 13· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 2· E-mail dated October· ·21 | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · · · · · · · · 3, 2019, Bates | |\n| | 15· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_10076 | |\n| | 16· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 3· Letter dated August· · 23 | |\n| | 17· · · · · · · · · · · · · · 16, 2019, Bates | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_000035 | |\n| | 19· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 36 | |\n| | 20· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 4· E-mail chain, Bates· · 25 | |\n| | 21· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_002235 | |\n| | 22· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 237 | |\n| | 23· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 5· E-mail chain, Bates· · 29 | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_001048 | |\n| | 25· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 54 | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1 | | Page 95 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · EXHIBITS (Continued) | |\n| | ·3· ·NUMBER· · · · · · · · · ·DESCRIPTION· · · · · PAGE | |\n| | ·4· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 6· E-mail chain, Bates· · 30 | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_002663 | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 672 | |\n| | ·7· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 7· E-mail chain, Bates· · 33 | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_002803 | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 808 | |\n| | 10· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 8· E-mail chain, Bates· · 36 | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_002172 | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 173 | |\n| | 13· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 9· E-mail chain, Bates· · 41 | |\n| | 14· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_003873 | |\n| | 15· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 876 | |\n| | 16· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 10 E-mail chain, Bates· · 46 | |\n| | 17· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_003873 | |\n| | 18· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 876 | |\n| | 19· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 11 E-mail chain, Bates· · 50 | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_008335 | |\n| | 21· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 339 | |\n| | 22· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 12 E-mail chain, Bates· · 52 | |\n| | 23· · · · · · · · · · · · · · stamped WBAM_008641 | |\n| | 24· · · · · · · · · · · · · · through 643 | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| ·1 | | | | | Page 96 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|--|--|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · EXHIBITS (Continued) | | | | |\n| | | ·3· ·NUMBER· · · · · · · · · ·DESCRIPTION· · · · · PAGE | | | |\n| | | ·4· ·Whitman Breed Exhibit 13 E-mail chain, Bates· · 58 | | | |\n| 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CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊）的远程录像证言录取\n2023 年 2 月 21 日，星期二\n\n记录员：\nAmy A. Rivera（艾米·A·里维拉）, CSR, RPR, CLR\n\n工作编号 222606\n\n第 2 页\n\n2023 年 2 月 21 日\n上午 10:13\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 的远程录像证言录取依通知进行，由新泽西州（State of New Jersey）公证人 Amy A. Rivera，注册速记记录员、注册专业记录员、认证 LiveNote 记录员主持。\n\n第 3 页\n\n远程出庭人员：\n\nPaul Hastings（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）\n受托人代理律师\n200 Park Avenue\nNew York, NY 10166\n代理律师：Avram Luft（阿夫拉姆·卢夫特）, Esq.\nDouglass Barron（道格拉斯·巴伦）, Esq.\n\nWhitman Breed Abbott & Morgan（惠特曼·布里德·阿博特与摩根律师事务所）\n证人代理律师\n500 West Putnam Avenue\nGreenwich, CT 06830\n代理律师：Michael Thomason（迈克尔·托马森）, Esq.\n\n另行出席：\nJonathan Popham（乔纳森·波帕姆），录像员\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 4 页\n\n录像员：各位律师，早上好。\n\n我叫 Jonathan Popham。我是与 TSG Reporting, Incorporated（TSG 报告公司）合作的法律录像员。\n\n由于这是一次远程证言录取，我不会与证人在同一房间。相反，我将远程录制本次录像证言。\n\n法庭记录员 Amy Rivera 也不会在同一房间，并将远程为证人宣誓。\n\n各方是否同意本录像记录及远程宣誓的有效性，并同意其可在法庭上作为证据采纳，如同其系依照《联邦民事诉讼规则》第 30 条及本案审理所在州的规则进行？\n\nLUFT 律师：我是代表第 11 章受托人的 Avi Luft。\n\n我们同意。\n\nTHOMASON 律师：我是代表证人的 Michael Thomason。\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 5 页\n\n当然。\n\n录像员：好的。这是关于 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）的案件中，MARGARET E. CONBOY 录像证言录取的第 1 号媒体记录。本案在康涅狄格州美国破产法院审理，第 11 章案件编号 22-50073 (JAM)。\n\n本次证言录取于 2023 年 2 月 21 日东部时间约上午 10:13，通过视频会议在多个地点进行。\n\n请各位律师为记录作自我介绍。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。我叫 Avi Luft，来自 Paul Hastings 律师事务所。我代表在康涅狄格州地区法院破产法院审理的关于 Ho Wan Kwok 的第 11 章破产案中的第 11 章受托人。\n\nTHOMASON 律师：我叫 Michael Thomason，坐在证人左侧，来自 Whitman Breed Abbott & Morgan 律师事务所。\n\n我们两人都来自 Whitman Breed Abbott & Morgan，\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 6 页\n\nMorgan 律师事务所，我在此代表 Conboy 女士。\n\n录像员：好的。请法庭记录员为证人宣誓。\n\nM A R G A R E T E. C O N B O Y 经公证人正式宣誓后，作如下证言：\n\n证人：谢谢。\n\n询问\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：早上好，Conboy 女士。您怎么样？\n\n答：很好。您怎么样？\n\n问：我很好。感谢您今天上午抽出时间。我很感激。\n\n答：谢谢。\n\n问：Conboy 女士，如同我刚才所说，我叫 Avi Luft。我是 Paul Hastings 律师事务所的律师，代表关于 Ho Wan Kwok 的破产案中的第 11 章受托人 Luc Despins（吕克·德斯潘）。\n\n让我——我只是想先说明几项初步事项，我刚才使用了“Ho Wan Kwok”这个名字。他也是一名使用“Miles Kwok”和“Miles Guo”之名的个人。\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1604-40，于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 登记，第 8 页，共 99 页\n\n答：Miles Kwok。\n\n答：我认识他。\n\n问：好的。如果我在整个证言录取过程中称他为“Miles Kwok”或“Kwok 先生”或“债务人”，我们是否可以理解为指的是同一个人？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY\n\n问：您认识这个人吗？\n\n问：您知道他使用什么名字？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：很好。好的。\n\nConboy 女士，据我了解，您今天是作为您所在律师事务所 Whitman Breed 的最知情人士出席的，对吗？\n\n答：是的。我是交割律师，所以……\n\n问：很好。\n\nConboy 女士，您以前接受过证言录取吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：好的。因此，尽管您是一名律师，并且可能比大多数人更熟悉此事，但我还是简要说明一些初步事项，以确保我们都理解一致。\n\n基本原则是：我会向您提出一个问题，\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 8 页\n\n然后您回答。可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：我会尽量把问题说得尽可能清楚，但如果无论因何我的问题对您不清楚，您会告诉我吗？\n\n答：会。\n\n问：好的。如果您未澄清该问题不清楚，我们是否可以理解为您确实理解我的问题？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。您明白您今天是在宣誓后作证吗？\n\n答：是，我明白。\n\n问：好的。是否有任何原因使您今天不能提供真实证言？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：很好。\n\n有时，您的律师可能会以问题形式为由对我提出的问题提出异议，这是他的权利，也没有问题。\n\n一旦他提出异议，如果您能够回答，您应继续回答我的问题。可以吗？\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1604-40，于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 登记，第 10 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 9 页\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：如涉及特权问题或您对此有所担忧，您应告知我，并且您可以与您的律师商议。\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：如果您在证言录取期间需要休息——我会定期安排休息，因为这可能需要一段时间——但如果您因任何原因觉得需要休息，您会告诉我吗？\n\n答：当然。\n\n问：届时，鉴于正在进行的问题，我将尽快在合理可行的情况下安排休息。可以吗？\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：我唯一的要求是，如果某个问题尚未答完，我们应确保在休息前得到该问题的答案。可以吗？\n\n答：可以，没问题。\n\n问：另有一项事务性事项，尽管我们正在 Zoom 上，我能看见您，法庭记录员也能看见您，但法庭记录员只能记录可听见的回答。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1604-40，于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 登记，第 11 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 10 页\n\n因此，尽管她能够看见，摇头或点头均不能使她根据该动作记录“是”或“否”。所以我仅要求您的所有回答均应可听见。可以吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的。在我们开始询问之前，您有什么问题吗？\n\n答：我想没有。\n\n问：好的。很好。\n\n在整个证言录取过程中，我将——我将向您出示一些文件。我已就此与您的律师略作沟通。我们已根据已提供的材料尽力确定一份文件的起始和终止之处。\n\n如果因您对文件的熟悉程度，您查看某项材料时说，嘿，这并不完全正确，或者这里多了一页，或者有类似情况，您会告诉我吗？\n\n答：会，会。\n\n问：好的。很好。\n\nTHOMASON 律师：Avi，我们能否澄清一件事？关于\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 11 页\n\n特权，据我们理解，受托人是此处特权的持有人，并已放弃该特权。对吗？\n\nLUFT 律师：受托人并未放弃该特权。但受托人持有 Kwok 先生的特权。\n\nTHOMASON 律师：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师：所以，为明确起见，任何曾由债务人持有的特权，除非存在有关其人身安全的问题——我无法想象这会在房地产交易中出现——该特权现由受托人控制。\n\n我之所以作出该区分，而非称其已被放弃，是因为该特权仍由受托人持有。谢谢。\n\n我的同事 Doug Barron 在场。\n\n我作出该区分的原因是，其他人不得侵犯该特权，如同其此前不得侵犯一样；但就 Conboy 女士与受托人之间而言，目前存在与先前 Conboy 女士或贵所与其客户 Kwok 先生之间相同的特权关系，他们可以共享\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1604-40，于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 登记，第 13 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 12 页\n\n此前 Conboy 女士或贵所与其客户 Kwok 先生之间存在的相关信息。\n\nTHOMASON 律师：好的。谢谢。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：好的。Conboy 女士，在本次证言录取之前，我向您的律师发送了一份我们希望今天涵盖的议题清单。\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：您是否为本次证言录取作了准备，以便就这些——就这些议题作答？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：好的。您是否总体上作了准备，以熟悉您为代表 Kwok 先生所做的工作？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：好的。您为本次证言录取做了什么准备？\n\n答：我只是与 Thomason 先生见了面，他告诉我证言录取是如何进行的，并解释了程序；我们见面大约一个小时，只是——了解该程序。\n\n问：好的。好吧。那么我们为什么不——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1604-40，于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 登记，第 14 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 13 页\n\n开始提问，看看您记得什么；如有哪个话题您未能复习，我们可以再回去谈。\n\n问：您第一次听说Kwok先生（郭文贵）是在什么时候？\n\n答：我不记得是哪一年了，但我接到纽约一家律师事务所Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯律师事务所）的电话，他们请我担任这个家庭——您知道，Golden Spring（黄金泉）、格林尼治的土地——的康涅狄格州律师，并担任他们购买房地产的康涅狄格州律师。\n\n问：您是否记得Hodgson Russ是由谁联系您的？\n\n答：我想是Bill、Elissa Brinn（伊丽莎·布林）和Valerie——我现在不记得Valerie的姓氏了。Valerie是那里的合伙人，我相信是他们两人。\n\n问：他们向您介绍了Kwok先生什么情况？\n\n答：他们只是说他们代表这个——这个家庭，他们非常有兴趣在格林尼治购买房产和住宅，而且，您知道，那是——那是保密的。他们不希望他们的姓名公开，这并不罕见。我经常遇到客户不希望公开姓名的情况，因此他们以其有限责任公司名义持有房产。\n\n基本上就是这些。\n\n问：您是否还获知有关Kwok先生的其他情况？\n\n答：据我记得，没有。\n\n问：好的。\n\n当您得知该家庭的情况时，是否获得了关于家庭成员的更多细节？\n\n答：没有，没有。\n\n问：他们是否已经希望购买某一特定住宅，还是这是代表Kwok先生处理房地产事务的一般性受托聘用？\n\n答：他们当时已经在看房，我相信正在提出报价——也许他们已经——我记不清了——他们可能已经就某处房产签订了合同，我忘了是哪处房产，Clapboard Ridge（克拉普博德岭），其中之一，Elissa一直在处理此事，随后他们认为最好聘请康涅狄格州律师，所以我就参与了。\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第15页\n\n问：您能否稍微说明一下委托范围？\n\n因为据我了解，您最终处理的不只是一处房产，而是在一段时间内多次代理Kwok先生。\n\n答：嗯，是代理那些有限责任公司，我从未与Kwok先生交谈过。我始终是与他的律师——家庭律师交谈。\n\n因此，他确实对几处房产提出过报价，后来因这样或那样的原因未能成交。他没有继续进行，或者该家庭没有继续进行。\n\n我最终与他完成交割的房产位于Ferncliff（弗恩克利夫）。我代表他处理的其他房产都没有完成交割，大概有三四处。\n\n问：您说您只与家庭律师交谈。\n\n您是否记得该家庭律师的姓名？\n\n答：Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）。\n\n问：Krasner先生是否向您表示他是一名律师？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 录入，第17页，共99页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第16页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否曾与一位名叫Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）的女士交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。我不记得这个名字。\n\n问：您是否理解Krasner先生是代表Kwok先生工作？\n\n答：是的，也代表该家庭。\n\n问：当您说“家庭”时，您是否曾与该家庭中除——之外的任何其他人交谈过？\n\n答：没有，没有。\n\n问：Krasner先生是否曾告诉您，他是从Kwok先生以外的任何人那里接受指示？\n\n答：没有，他从未告诉我他是从谁那里接受指示。\n\n问：我在文件和您的电子邮件中看到多次提到“中国亿万富翁”。\n\nKwok先生就是那位中国亿万富翁吗？\n\n答：我只是从Google（谷歌）搜索中得知这一点。因此我其实并不知道，只是如果您搜索他的名字，就会出现这个说法。所以我——\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第17页\n\n问：我的问题是——抱歉。\n\n我的问题不是Kwok先生是否是一位中国亿万富翁，而是当您写到——提到“中国亿万富翁”时，您指的是Kwok先生吗？\n\n答：是，只是因为Google搜索。\n\n问：好的。好的。\n\n您的任何同事是否与您共同处理过此事？\n\n答：我不——也许有一名律师助理帮过忙，但我只记得有——当然，还有我的律师助理。\n\n问：当您代表Kwok先生与Krasner先生交谈时，您是通过电子邮件进行的吗？\n\nTHOMASON先生（托马森）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n您可以回答。\n\n答：电子邮件和电话都有。\n\n问：好的。您认为您与Krasner先生交谈过多少次？\n\nTHOMASON先生：通过电子邮件还是电话？\n\n问：任一种方式都算。\n\n答：您知道，当我们处理一项交易时，可能一天几次。\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第18页\n\n问：您是否曾去看过Kwok先生考虑购买的任何房产？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您知道Kwok先生就其看过的房产是与哪些经纪人合作吗？\n\n答：我记不清了。我记得最后一位，但我不记得他合作过的所有——其他经纪人。\n\n问：最后一位是谁？\n\n答：Martha Jeffreys（玛莎·杰弗里斯）。\n\n问：是否是那些带Kwok先生去看房产的经纪人？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。您是否曾与Kwok先生的儿子交谈过？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：那么他的妻子呢？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：或者他的女儿？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：好的。您是否曾与任何代表该家庭的人交谈，而该人告诉您指示来自儿子、妻子或女儿中的任何一人？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 录入，第20页，共99页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第19页\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：当您——\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特）：我想将您活页夹中标签1的文件标记为Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证言证物1。其Bates编号为WBAM_001464至65。\n\n（Whitman Breed证物1，日期为October 1, 2018的信函，Bates编号为WBAM_001464至465，此时标记以供识别。）\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您有时间时，请看一下，并在您准备好时告诉我。\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：这是什么文件？\n\n答：这是我们的委托函。那是第一份委托函。我们是通过Hodgson Russ取得该委托的。\n\n问：因此，在这封信中，客户是Hodgson Russ，代表——让我简单一点：Hodgson Russ在这里是名义上的客户吗？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第20页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。购买将由一个名为“Hudson Diamond（哈德逊钻石）”的实体进行？\n\n答：我相信是——哦，是的，上面写着——对，上面写着：“Hudson Diamond。”\n\n问：但是，这——这是否是同一项委托，即您被告知您代表Kwok先生及其家庭的利益，对吗？\n\n这是110 Clapboard Road——Clapboard Ridge？\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。您可以把它放在一边。\n\n问：让我问您其他几个人。您是否曾与一名叫Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波达斯基）的人交谈？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：一名叫Melissa Francis（梅丽莎·弗朗西斯）的女士呢？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）呢？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：好的。很好。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 录入，第22页，共99页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第21页\n\n好的。我们能否翻到——我请您翻到标签3，这是一封您于October 3, 2019发给Kevin Walsh（凯文·沃尔什）的电子邮件，Bates编号为WBAM_10076。\n\n您找到后请告诉我。\n\nTHOMASON先生：您要将其标记为证物2吗？\n\nLUFT先生：是，请标记为Whitman Breed证物2。\n\n（Whitman Breed证物2，日期为October 3, 2019的电子邮件，Bates编号为WBAM_10076，此时标记以供识别。）\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：好的。开头是——这是您发给Kevin Walsh的一封电子邮件，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您开头写道：“Kevin，我的客户，那位中国亿万富翁。”\n\n这是指您的客户是Kwok先生吗？\n\n答：是的。我的意思是，我本应——它——是的。我本应——\n\n问：然后您接着说。您说（照读）：卖方接受了他$35 million的报价。此外，他正在与建筑师会面。他对在该地块上建设所涉及的事项有所了解。\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第22页\n\n其中的“他”和“他的”指的是Kwok先生，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Kwok先生是否曾告诉您，他用于就602 Indian Field提出报价的$35 million的资金来源是什么？\n\n答：没有。这一切都是通过Max进行的。我从未与Kwok先生交谈过。一切都是通过Max进行的。\n\n问：Krasner先生——我假定当您说“Max”时，您指的是Max Krasner？\n\n答：对，Krasner先生。\n\n问：没关系。\n\nKrasner先生是否曾告诉您，此次报价的$35 million的资金来源是什么？\n\n答：没有，没有。\n\n问：他是否曾——是否曾被要求向卖方提供任何——换言之——证明或依据，以表明他有能力提出$35 million的报价？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 于 03/27/23 提交，于 03/27/23 14:12:10 录入，第24页，共99页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第23页\n\n·2· 答：我不知道。我不知道。\n\n·3· 问：好的。那是否更属于经纪人的职责，而不是——\n\n·4· ——你在该流程中的职责？\n\n·5· 答：是的。\n\n·6· 问：——你的职责？\n\n·7· 答：对，是的。\n\n·8· 问：好的。但这从未进入合同阶段，对吗？\n\n10· 答：对。\n\n11· 问：好的。好的。很好。\n\n12· LUFT先生（Mr. Luft）：我想请您看标签2。我将标记为Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证物3；这是一份经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_000035至36的文件，看来是一封日期为August 16, 2019的聘用函，由您本人代表Whitman Breed签署，随后由Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）代表Golden Spring（戈尔登斯普林）签署。\n\n20· （Whitman Breed证物3，日期为August 16, 2019的信函，经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_000035至36，此时标记供识别。）\n\n24· 由LUFT先生提问：\n\n25· 问：这看起来正确吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073 文书1604-40 提交于03/27/23 登记于03/27/23 14:12:10 第25页，共99页\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第24页\n\n·2· 答：是的。\n\n·3· 问：好的。这与购买位于33 Ferncliff Road的房产有关？\n\n·4· 答：是的。\n\n·6· 问：在这里，您理解克拉斯纳先生再次代表郭先生（Mr. Kwok）作出这项聘用，对吗？\n\n·9· 答：嗯，是这个家庭。\n\n10· 问：当您说“家庭”时，为了让我理解，鉴于——嗯，让我撤回这个问题。\n\n13· 我的理解是，您理解指示来自郭先生，即由他作出指示。\n\n16· 您从未与该家庭中的其他任何人交谈过，或代表任何其他人接收过指示，对吗？\n\n19· 答：我从未与郭先生交谈过。我也从未与其他任何人交谈过。不，我只与马克斯·克拉斯纳交谈，他会说——他用的词是“家庭”。\n\n23· 问：但是，当您写到——当我们看过证物2时——那位中国亿万富翁及其要约，以及他正在与建筑师会面时，那里所说的“他”是郭先生，按您的理解，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073 文书1604-40 提交于03/27/23 登记于03/27/23 14:12:10 第26页，共99页\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第25页\n\n·2· 答：对，这就是我的理解。\n\n·4· 问：您不知道该家庭中的其他任何人曾代表这些房屋与建筑师或工程师会面，对吗？\n\n·7· 答：不，我不知道。我不知道。我毫无头绪。\n\n·9· 问：除郭先生外，该家庭中没有其他任何人为该房屋提交过要约，对吗？\n\n12· 答：我不知道。我不知道。\n\n13· 问：好的。\n\n14· 就您为110 Clap Ridge Road所做的工作而言，谁支付Whitman Breed的律师费？\n\n17· 答：我不知道。\n\n18· 问：那么33 Ferncliff呢？\n\n19· 答：我不知道。我不知道。\n\n20· LUFT先生：好的。您现在可以把那份文件放在一边。\n\n22· 我将请您看标签9。我将标记为证物4，一份经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_002235至37的文件。\n\n25· （Whitman Breed证物4，电子邮件往来，经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_002235至237，此时标记供识别。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第26页\n\n·2· 往来，经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_002235至237，此时标记供识别。）\n\n·5· 由LUFT先生提问：\n\n·6· 问：您面前有那份文件吗？\n\n·7· 答：有。\n\n·8· 问：那么，这是一组您本人、Valerie Stevens（瓦莱丽·史蒂文斯）、Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）及Elissa Brinn（伊莉莎·布林）之间的电子邮件往来。\n\n11· Valerie Stevens是谁？\n\n12· 答：她是Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯律师事务所）的合伙人。\n\n13· 问：布林女士呢？\n\n14· 答：布林女士也是Hodgson Russ的律师。\n\n16· 问：那么王伊薇特呢？\n\n17· 答：我不记得她。我确实不记得她。\n\n19· 问：您看到第236页中部，October 11, 2018, 12:35，她向您本人和伊莉莎发送了一封电子邮件，内容如下（照读）：\n\n22· 请仍按我之前的建议，什么也不要做。我已经建议Kathy（凯西）于周一撤回该要约。买方尚未给出重新开启的任何指示。谢谢，Yvette。\n\n案件22-50073 文书1604-40 提交于03/27/23 登记于03/27/23 14:12:10 第28页，共99页\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第27页\n\n·2· 您看到了吗？\n\n·3· 答：看到了。\n\n·4· 问：买方——这里的买方是郭先生，对吗？\n\n·6· 答：我不知道——我是说，我不知道。\n\n·7· 问：您理解那是指谁——\n\n·8· 答：如我所说，那是Golden Spring或Greenwich Land（格林尼治地产）公司，而那就是正在购买该房产的一方。我不确定——我不确定王伊薇特是谁——我只是不记得。\n\n13· 问：您不记得她的角色是什么？\n\n14· 答：对。\n\n15· 问：不过，您理解郭先生是该律所的客户，对吗？\n\n17· 答：不是。我理解这些公司是该律所的客户。\n\n19· 问：您曾在某个时候就利益冲突问题与Despins先生（Mr. Despins）谈过话。\n\n22· 答：是。\n\n23· 问：而在那次谈话中，您告诉他，其中一个问题是郭先生是该律所的客户？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第28页\n\n·2· 答：嗯，我一定是说错了，我不记得，但我确实不太记得那件事。\n\n·5· 问：好的。您理解是谁控制Golden Spring？\n\n·7· 答：如我所说，我与马克斯·克拉斯纳交谈。他是我的联系人。我不知道。我不知道是谁控制Golden Spring。\n\n10· 问：克拉斯纳先生是否曾告诉您，他没有律师执照？\n\n12· 答：没有。\n\n13· 问：好的。\n\n14· 当王女士提及“买方”时，您并不理解她是在指她自己，对吗？\n\n17· 答：我不知道。我确实不知道。我不知道——我不记得她。\n\n19· 问：好的。\n\n20· LUFT先生：让我们看一下——\n\n21· 摄像师：律师，能否请您再次把摄像机稍微更多地转向证人？\n\n24· 谢谢。\n\n25· LUFT先生：好的。让我们看一下——\n\n案件22-50073 文书1604-40 提交于03/27/23 登记于03/27/23 14:12:10 第30页，共99页\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY\n\n·2· 标签13。我想我们将标记为Whitman Breed证物5，一份经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_001048至54的文件。这是一组电子邮件往来，顶部始于王伊薇特发给伊莉莎·布林、康博伊女士和瓦莱丽·史蒂文斯的一封电子邮件，涉及与Brown Harris Stevens（布朗·哈里斯·史蒂文斯）就110 Clipboard达成的协议。\n\n10· （Whitman Breed证物5，电子邮件往来，经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_001048至54，此时标记供识别。）\n\n13· 由LUFT先生提问：\n\n14· 问：您看到顶部那封电子邮件了吗？\n\n15· 答：看到了。\n\n16· 问：您是否看到王女士再次写道（照读）：该房产的物品清单应与原始清单完全相同，即凯西第一次向买方展示该房屋时的清单。\n\n21· 您理解凯西是向一个实际的人，即买方，展示该房屋的吗？\n\n23· 答：是的，向买方展示该房屋。\n\n24· 问：对。而既然王女士提及此事，她不是在指她自己，而是在将买方指为另一个人？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件22-50073 文书1604-40 提交于03/27/23 登记于03/27/23 14:12:10 第31页，共99页\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第30页\n\n·2· 她不是在指她自己，而是在将买方指为另一个人？\n\n·4· 答：是。\n\n·5· 问：这是否有助于唤起您关于——关于王女士的记忆？\n\n·7· 答：没有。\n\n·8· 问：好。好的。让我们看另一处——我相信是另一处房产。\n\n10· 您是否记得于January 2019就140 Wallacks Drive开展工作？\n\n12· 答：记得。\n\n13· LUFT先生：我将向您出示一份经Bates编号盖章的文件——我想标记为证物6，一份经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_002663至72的文件。\n\n17· THOMASON先生（Mr. Thomason）：标签编号？\n\n18· LUFT先生：什么？\n\n19· THOMASON先生：哪一个标签编号？\n\n20· LUFT先生：是标签14。\n\n21· （Whitman Breed证物6，电子邮件往来，经Bates编号盖章为WBAM_002663至672，此时标记供识别。）\n\n25· 由LUFT先生提问：\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第31页\n\n·2· 问：我说得对吗，这是您本人和Robert Mowbray（罗伯特·莫布雷）之间自January 22, 2019起的电子邮件往来？\n\n·5· 答：是。\n\n·6· 问：而他提及的房产是位于Stamford（斯坦福德）Caritas Island（卡里塔斯岛）的140 Wallacks Drive？\n\n·8· 答：对。\n\n·9· 问：您看到您的电子邮件，您写道：“嗨，Bob。我希望您进行检索，因为这是一处临水的高端房产——那位中国亿万富翁已获得接受的要约！谢谢。”\n\n14· 您看到了吗？\n\n15· 答：是。\n\n16· 问：所提及的那位中国亿万富翁是郭先生，对吗？\n\n18· 答：对。\n\n19· 问：而这就是您所说的、对该房产有已获接受的要约的人？\n\n21· 答：但实际上，该要约是以Golden或者Golden Spring或Greenwich Land的名义提出的。我不记得他们以哪个名称——该要约是以哪个名称提出的。\n\n25· 问：无论他们在法律上以哪个实体名称提出该要约，您的理解是郭先生有一项已获接受的要约，对吗？\n\n案件22-50073 文书1604-40 提交于03/27/23 登记于03/27/23 14:12:10 第33页，共99页\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第32页\n\n·2· 名称提出的，您的理解是郭先生有一项已获接受的要约，对吗？\n\n·4· 答：从该电子邮件看，这就是我的——是的，对。\n\n·6· 问：而您当时——好的。那么，当时您是在告诉莫布雷先生，郭先生有一项已获接受的要约？\n\n·9· 答：对。\n\n10· 问：在与郭先生合作之前，您是否必须签署任何类型的保密协议？\n\n12· 答：我不记得。我可能签过。我不记得。\n\n14· 问：郭先生或他的某个关联实体是否曾在任何时候让您签署保密协议？\n\n17· 答：我不记得。\n\n18· 问：您将郭先生称为“中国亿万富翁”的原因，是因为您试图避免在通信中使用他的名字吗？\n\n21· 答：对，正确。\n\n22· 问：当您在此处写下“中国亿万富翁”时，您所指的人是郭先生？\n\n25· 答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n·1· MARGARET E. CONBOY 第33页\n\n问：好的。\n\n让我看看。你认识一个名叫 Emile deNeree（埃米尔·德内雷）的人吗？\n\n答：不认识。\n\n问：也许是来自 Caldwell Banker（考德威尔·班克）？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特）：我请求将第18标签后的文件标记为证物——我们到第7号了吗？——该文件的贝茨编号为 WBAM_002803 至 08。\n\n（Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证物7，电子邮件链，贝茨编号为 WBAM_002803 至 808，于此时标记以供识别。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Conboy女士（康博伊），您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：不，我不记得它。\n\n问：您能否查看一下，看看它是否能唤起您的记忆，即这也是一封关于 140 Walkins Drive 的电子邮件？\n\n答：我不记得这封电子邮件。我的意思是，我就是不记得——不过我收到数千封电子邮件。\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第34页\n\n问：明白。\n\nConboy女士，您看到顶部 Brinn女士（布林）写给您、deNeree先生和您本人，并提到：“Margaret——看来还需要更新化粪池信息”吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：其中的“Margaret”是指您吗？\n\n答：是，是的。\n\n问：那么，这个邮件链是发送给您的，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。您在这个邮件链中看到，他们正在谈论需要进行的各种检查和尽职调查吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：如果请您翻到第2806页，您看到有一封1月25日来自 deNeree先生或 Sothebys Homes（苏富比房屋公司）的 Barbara Vogt（芭芭拉·沃格特）的电子邮件吗？因此，这是两名经纪人之间的邮件，其中包括发送给您的尽职调查内容。\n\n其中写道，我的客户准备在 February 8 前完成交易。我们已请求一周的宽限期，以防他们无法及时完成尽职调查。随后又写道：\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第35页\n\n“您能否请您的客户同意这些条款，因为只要 Miles 的律师收到可接受的尽职调查条款，Miles 就准备于今天下午签署合同。”\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是，是的，我看到了。\n\n问：您是否记得您是否曾收到那些尽职调查条款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：而这里的“Miles”是指 Kwok先生（郭文贵），对吗？\n\n答：我没有写这封电子邮件，是别人写的。\n\n问：我明白，是别人写的，但您读过它。\n\n您是否理解，这笔交易中涉及的“Miles”是 Kwok先生？\n\nTHOMASON先生（托马森）：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n您可以回答。\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。\n\nLUFT先生：您可以把那份放在一边。\n\n问：Kwok先生是否曾有意购买位于 32 Chateau Ridge 的房产？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第36页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您记得有关该房产和该次拟议购买的哪些情况？\n\n答：我记得他提出了报价。报价被接受了。我们进行了通常的尽职调查，而他——他从未签署合同。我们当时正在处理一份合同，而他从未签署该合同——准确说不是他，而是该 LLC 从未签署合同，因此最终没有成交——该房产从未被购买。\n\nLUFT先生：我要请您——我要将第6标签后的文件，即贝茨编号为 WBAM_002172 至 2173 的文件，标记为 Whitman Breed 证物8。该文件看来是2018年 October 1 日的一组电子邮件链，涉及 Muffin Dowdle（玛芬·道德尔）、Elissa Brinn（伊丽莎·布林）、您本人和 Kathy Sloane（凯茜·斯隆）。\n\n（Whitman Breed 证物8，电子邮件链，贝茨编号为 WBAM_002172 至 173，于此时标记以供识别。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您看到了吗？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第37页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您看到您在所有这些电子邮件中吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而这与——抱歉。\n\n这与 110 Clapboard Ridge 有关？\n\n答：顶部是这么写的。\n\n问：是的。让我看看。\n\n但如果我们看中间那封电子邮件，Sloane女士写道（照读）：“关于 Chateau Ridge，合同正在于今天上午按原始报价发出。家具今天正从房屋中搬出。房屋将进行布置。我建议 Miles 在布置完成后再次看房。”\n\n您看到了吗？\n\nTHOMASON先生：异议。\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：好的。因此，虽然提到了 Clapboard Ridge，但还有——这些电子邮件也在讨论 Chateau Ridge 房产，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 39 of 99\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第38页\n\n问：而且那是两处不同的房产？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否记得 Sloane女士是 Brown Harris Stevens（布朗·哈里斯·史蒂文斯）的经纪人？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而她写信给您、Dowdle女士和 Brinn女士，建议 Miles 在布置完成后再次看房，对吗？\n\n答：这是她在电子邮件中写的。\n\n问：而其中提到的“Miles”是 Kwok先生，对吗？\n\n答：我认为——我的意思是，我再次说明，我没有写那封电子邮件，但我认为应该是他。\n\n问：您是否知道还有其他名为 Miles、与 Chateau Ridge 房产有关的人？\n\n答：不知道。\n\n问：因此，可以说，当您读到那封邮件时，您理解“Miles”是 Kwok先生，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您必须口头回答。\n\n她写道（照读）：“让 Miles 在布置完成后再次看房。”\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG庭审记录服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第39页\n\nMiles 在布置完成后再次看房。\n\n这是否让您认为 Kwok先生在此之前已经看过一次这所房屋？\n\n答：我不知道。我没有——我不参与交易的那一部分。我完全不知道。\n\n问：但当您读到抄送给您的电子邮件，其中写道：“我建议 Miles 在布置完成后再次看房”，这是否——是否让您认为 Kwok先生在此之前已经看过一次这所房屋？\n\n答：我不知道。我没有参与那件事。我不会和他们一起去经纪人那里看房。我不知道他何时看过，也不知道他是否看过，我不知道。\n\n问：我只是问您读到那封电子邮件时的理解。\n\n答：我的意思是，从她的电子邮件来看，听起来他肯定看过，但我完全不知道。\n\n问：好的。\n\nConboy女士，您理解，所有盖有“WBAM”贝茨编号戳记的文件均来自 Whitman Breed 的档案，对吗？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 41 of 99\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第40页\n\n答：我想是的，是的。\n\n问：而这些是该律所在日常业务过程中保存的档案？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而且它们是在该律所作为律师事务所开展的日常业务过程中形成的，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：好的。您是否记得一名叫 Louise Camuto（路易丝·卡穆托）的女子是 Chateau Ridge 房产的所有人？\n\n答：我不知道她是否是实际所有人。\n\n问：好的。您理解 Camuto女士的身份是什么？\n\n答：我不记得产权是如何持有的，但我认为她不是以个人名义拥有该房产。我不确切记得产权是如何持有的，但我认为她不是以个人名义拥有该房产。\n\n问：好的。您是否记得她当时正与 Kwok先生及其代表就出售该房产进行谈判？\n\n答：我不知道她是否在谈判。我唯一与之谈判的人是另一名律师。我不知道其他任何人与谁谈判。\n\nTSG Reporting — 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 42 of 99\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第41页\n\n问：您知道 Karin Maistrello（卡琳·迈斯特雷洛）是谁吗？\n\n答：不知道。\n\nLUFT先生：我们现在到第几份文件了？刚才是第七——\n\nTHOMASON先生：您现在是第9号。\n\nLUFT先生：第九号？\n\nTHOMASON先生：您正要命名第9号。\n\nLUFT先生：太好了。让我们将第20标签后的文件标记为 Whitman Breed 证物9，一组电子邮件链，贝茨编号为 WBAM_003873 至 76。该邮件链看来包含涉及 Krasner先生（克拉斯纳）、Camuto女士、Wang女士（王）、Maistrello女士和 Dowdle女士的电子邮件。\n\n（Whitman Breed 证物9，电子邮件链，贝茨编号为 WBAM_003873 至 876，于此时标记以供识别。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Conboy女士，您看到这份文件带有“WBAM”贝茨编号戳记吗？\n\nTSG Reporting — 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第42页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：这是否向您表明，该文件来自 Whitman Breed 的档案？\n\n答：我——肯定是。我想是的。我不记得见过这份文件。我没有在——我不在顶部的电子邮件链中。我的意思是，我不在那封电子邮件中。\n\n问：当客户通过电子邮件进行谈判时，他们有时会为了您为其开展的工作而向律师提供这些电子邮件吗？\n\n答：我不理解您的问题是什么。\n\n问：我的问题是：当客户与潜在买家或经纪人沟通时，他们有时是否向您提供这些沟通记录，以证明他们所进行的谈判，从而使您能够代表他们开展工作？\n\n答：有时会，有时会。\n\n问：您能翻到页码末尾为3875的一页吗？\n\n您看到有一封 Camuto女士发给 Mary Muffin Dowdle（玛丽·玛芬·道德尔）的电子邮件吗？\n\n您认识 Dowdle女士吗？\n\n答：不认识。她是一名经纪人，但我不认识\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第43页\n\n她。她是一名经纪人。\n\n问：您理解她是与 Kwok 先生合作的经纪人吗？\n\n答：一开始，是的。在交易刚开始的时候。\n\n问：您看到 Camuto 女士在向 Dowdle 女士发送电子邮件时，实际上是以「亲爱的 Miles」称呼 Kwok 先生吗？\n\n她写道：「感谢您回复我。我期待着完成交易，并期待您搬进这个我们如此喜爱、而且您似乎也和我们一样喜爱的绝佳地方。」\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：然后她们接着——Camuto 女士接着就 Kwok 先生要求保留的某些家具，向 Kwok 先生写了一条信息，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：您是否记得，这些通信是否被转交给您，以便您知道哪些家具应纳入合同协议，哪些家具应排除在外？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第44页\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：让我们往上看一点。您看到在第3874页的回复中，Wang 女士写信回复 Camuto 先生称：「感谢您回复 Miles。请原谅他，他的英语口语比书面英语好。」\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是的，是的。\n\n问：您看到她提到，Miles 说他与您对这所极佳住宅怀有完全相同的喜爱，并且他希望今后回来，与他分享关于这个地方的美好故事。\n\n答：对，是的。\n\n问：然后他——接下来写道：「Miles 说他很感谢您同意留下那些瓮。他确实非常喜欢它们。」然后又说——反映了 Kwok 先生希望如何处理那些蓝色椅子，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：然后结尾写道：「我代表 Miles，再次感谢您把这所美丽的住宅给了他。祝一切顺利。」\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第45页\n\n答：对。\n\n问：关于如何为 Kwok 先生处理那些瓮以及如何处理那些椅子的这些信息，都是您作为律师会在协议中予以载明的信息，对吗？\n\n答：正确。\n\n问：显然，Wang 女士是在代表 Kwok 先生发言，对吗？\n\n答：再说一遍，您是在问我一封并非由我写的电子邮件。\n\n他们说，家族办公室，您知道，我没有——我不会收到——我唯一会参与的方式，是起草关于瓮和任何个人财产条款的合同。\n\n问：但这里非常明确，对吗，这事关 Miles？Miles 是被具体提及的人，对吗？\n\n答：是提到了 Miles。\n\n问：而且 Miles 是就那些瓮作出决定的人？\n\n答：我不知道。我毫无头绪。\n\n问：（按所读内容）：Miles 说他感谢您同意留下那些瓮。他确实非常\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 录入日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第47页，共99页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第46页\n\n喜欢它们。本着同样的合作精神，他希望您保留那套四把蓝色椅子。\n\n您同意我的看法，即 Kwok 先生是就哪些财产应纳入合同作出指示的人，对吗？\n\n答：电子邮件就是这么写的，是的。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。您可以把它放到一边。\n\n将标签22之后的一份文件标记为 Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证物10，其贝茨编号为 WBAM_003873 至 76；该文件同样是 Camuto 先生、Wang 女士、Krasner 先生和 Maistrello 女士之间的另一串电子邮件。\n\n（Whitman Breed 证物10，即贝茨编号为 WBAM_003873 至 876 的电子邮件链，于此时标记供识别。）\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：您再次看到，这是一份带有「WBAM」贝茨编号的文件吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：这使您认为这是来自 Whitman Breed 档案的文件，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第47页\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：因此，这是一份与贵律师事务所就该房产提供代理服务有关而向贵所提供的文件，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：您再次看到，Camuto 女士在多处写信给 Wang 女士，明确称——提及 Kwok 先生：「我非常高兴 Miles 会享用这些极好的瓮，如您所知，它们相当稀有且珍贵。它们使这个房间增色不少。\n\n「感谢他送的椅子，我会把三楼的柜子留给 Miles。」接着写道：「谢谢您——也谢谢 Miles，请保持沟通畅通。等他完全安顿下来后，我很乐意有一天去拜访他。」\n\n显然，Camuto 女士是将 Kwok 先生称为正在购置该住宅的人，对吗？\n\n答：她的电子邮件就是这么说的，是的。\n\n问：好的。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 录入日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第49页，共99页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第48页\n\nLUFT 先生：您可以把它放到一边。\n\n问：您是否记得——就 Chateau Ridge（城堡岭）房产而言，是否有任何通信涉及 Kwok 先生家族中的其他人在其购买事宜中进行任何谈判或发挥任何作用？\n\n答：我不记得。我认为唯一——再说一遍，我打交道的唯一一个人是 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）。\n\n问：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生：我们已经进行了大约一个小时。您想短暂休息一下吗？\n\nTHOMASON 先生：好的，请。\n\n证人：当然。\n\nLUFT 先生：太好了。您想休息多久？\n\nTHOMASON 先生：十分钟？\n\nLUFT 先生：很好。\n\nTHOMASON 先生：这是我的最低时限，但如果您想要更长时间也可以。\n\nLUFT 先生：十分钟对我来说可以。\n\nTHOMASON 先生：好的。\n\n录像员：我们于上午11:10停止记录。这标志着媒体1的结束。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第49页\n\n媒体1。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于上午11:30恢复记录。这标志着媒体2的开始。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：您好，Conboy 女士。您好吗？\n\n答：很好。您好吗？\n\n问：很好。\n\n我想转到另一处房产。您是否记得，Kwok 先生在2019年7月或8月也有意购买位于 66 Sherwood 的一处房产？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：您对该潜在购买交易有何记忆？\n\n答：我认为没有进展得很远。我甚至认为我们没有拿到合同。\n\n所以，这就是我所记得的一切。我认为根本没有进展多远。\n\n问：您是否记得 Kwok 先生何时决定不购买该房产？\n\n答：我记得 Max 告知我他们不会购买它，但仅此而已。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 录入日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第51页，共99页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第50页\n\n问：好的。而且它从未进入合同阶段，对吗？\n\n答：我认为没有。\n\n问：好的。好的。我们可以转到另一处房产。\n\n我知道我们之前谈到过 Indian Field（印第安田野）房产？\n\n答：对，对。\n\n问：好的。您是否还记得为什么——实际上让我撤回这个问题。\n\n好的。据我所知，他们接下来考察的房产是——或者也许并非按顺序，但您是否记得在2020年12月考察过位于 11 Hurlingham Drive 的一处房产？\n\n答：不，我不记得那处房产。\n\n问：好的。请您翻到标签59。\n\nLUFT 先生：我们到11了吗？\n\nTHOMASON 先生：我想是的。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。让我们将一份贝茨编号为 WBAM_008335 至 339 的文件标记为标签11。\n\n（Whitman Breed 证物11，即贝茨编号为 WBAM_008335 至 339 的电子邮件链，于此时标记供识别。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第51页\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：我相信这是一串 Krasner 先生、一位名为 Frank Dong（弗兰克·董）的先生与您之间的电子邮件。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：您看到 Krasner 先生于 10:25 a.m. on December 15, 2020 写道：「你好，Frank 和 Margaret。我刚刚与 Miles 通话，他告知该团队不会继续推进该房产。谢谢。」\n\n答：对。\n\n问：这是否唤起了您关于 Krasner 先生告知您和 Dong 先生，Kwok 先生不想购买 11 Hurlingham Drive 房产的记忆？\n\n答：我不记得这个，但根据电子邮件，上面写着 Miles 告知该团队他们不会继续推进。\n\n问：而 Kwok 先生在此为可能进行该项购买所使用的工具——\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第52页\n\n看来是 Hudson Diamond（哈德逊钻石），对吗？\n\n答：正确。\n\n问：那是 Kwok 先生会用来考虑购买房地产的空壳公司之一，对吗？\n\nTHOMASON 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：那是他们用来购买房产的另一家 LLC。\n\n问：对。而这里是 Kwok 先生，对吗，Krasner 先生与之交谈的就是他？\n\n答：嗯，那是——是的，那是 Krasner 先生在其电子邮件中所说告知他不要继续推进的人。\n\n问：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生：让我们标记——翻到标签57，并将其标记为 Whitman Breed 证物12，文件贝茨编号为 WBAM_008641 至 43；我相信您会告诉我，这是一串日期为12月14日、即前一天的、您与 Frank Dong 先生之间关于 Hudson Diamond 购买 11 Hurlingham 的电子邮件。\n\n（Whitman Breed 证物12，即贝茨编号为 WBAM_008641 至\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第53页\n\n2 643号文件此时被标记用于识别。）\n3\n4 卢夫特先生讯问：\n5 问：您看到了吗？\n6 答：看到了。\n7 问：您记得董先生吗？\n8 答：我不记得董先生。\n9 问：如果您看一下他在这串电子邮件中发给您的第一封电子邮件，即8642号上的那封，\n10 董先生写给您并说（照读）：“嗨，\n11 Margaret。很高兴通过电子邮件认识您。我是该交易的买方\n12 代理人。”他接着说（照读）：“老板亲自来看过这栋房子。\n13 卖方花了11 million翻修该房产，\n14 但已经搬到Florida。老板愿意\n15 自己完成这栋房子的装修。”\n16\n17 他提到“老板”时，您是否理解董先生是在指郭先生（郭文贵）？\n18\n19 答：我不记得这件事，我也不知道。我不记得这件事。我不记得\n20 董先生。我不知道。\n21\n22 问：但这是您——您毫不怀疑自己收到过董先生发来的这封电子邮件，\n23 对吗？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 登记日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第55页，共99页\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第54页\n\n2 对吗？\n3 答：是的，对，没错。\n4 问：除郭先生外，您不知道还有任何其他人就该房产作出决定，\n5 对吗？\n6 答：您知道，我不知道还有谁参与其中。我的意思是，我不知道还有谁在\n7 这个家庭中作决定，所以，我不知道。\n8\n9 问：您是否知道——是否曾有人告诉您，除\n10 郭先生外，家庭中的任何人就这些房产作出决定？\n11\n12 答：从未有人告诉我——从未有人告诉我是谁作出了任何决定。\n13\n14 问：那么，如果我们回看证物11——\n15 答：对，在他们的电子邮件中。\n16 问：在他们的电子邮件中，您被告知是郭先生在作决定，\n17 对吗？\n18 答：对。\n19 问：好的。Krasner先生（克拉斯纳）确实告诉您，郭先生告知团队不要继续推进。\n20\n21 我想明确的是，Krasner先生从未告诉您，郭先生家庭中的任何其他成员曾就\n22 该房产作出决定。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 登记日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第56页，共99页\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第55页\n\n2 郭先生家庭中的任何其他成员，曾就购买或不购买任何房产作出决定，\n3 对吗？\n4 答：对，他从未告诉我是谁作出了决定。\n5 问：除他告诉您郭先生在作决定时之外？\n6 答：除那封电子邮件外，据我记得，是的。\n7 问：我们也看过其他电子邮件，其中提及郭先生在谈判并作出决定，\n8 对吗？\n9 答：对。\n10 问：所以，为明确起见，您曾不时被告知郭先生就房产作出决定，\n11 对吗？\n12 答：对。\n13 问：而您从未被告知郭先生家庭中的任何其他成员就房产作出决定，\n14 对吗？\n15 答：我不记得。\n16 问：您是否记得家庭中的任何人曾就某一房产作出决定，\n17 除郭先生外？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 登记日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第57页，共99页\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第56页\n\n2 答：我不记得。\n3 问：您认为是否曾有人告诉过您这件事？\n4 答：我不知道。我确实不记得是否还有其他人——我不知道。\n5\n6 问：我想问的是：当您说您不知道时，是因为您认为可能有人曾作出决定，而您无法——您没有\n7 具体的记忆，还是——\n8 THOMASON先生（托马森）：让她把问题说完。\n9 LUFT先生（卢夫特）：对。\n10 问：Conboy女士，我知道您是在尽力凭记忆作答，我对此表示感谢。但我只是——这很重要，我只是想留下\n11 一份明确的记录。\n12\n13 您是否记得，除郭先生本人外，郭先生家庭中的任何成员曾通过Krasner先生，或直接，或通过任何其他\n14 代表，就是否购买或出售，或如何处理您参与的任何潜在购买事项，提供过指示？\n15 答：不，我没有这种记忆。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第57页\n\n2 问：好的。好的。我们不再谈那处房产。\n3\n4 您记得郭先生还让您参与了有关购买33 Ferncliff Road的事宜？\n5 THOMASON先生（托马森）：对提问形式提出异议。\n6 您可以回答。\n7 答：记得。\n8 问：好的。您记得该交易的哪些情况？\n9 答：那笔交易，他——或者——Max说——我相信该房产将会是供一名或多名家庭成员使用的，那栋房子——他——或者我认为是Golden Spring（黄金泉）或Greenwich Land（格林尼治地产）购买了该房产。\n10 问：您记得Krasner先生说哪位家庭成员会住在该房产中吗？\n11 答：不记得。\n12 问：您曾去过该房产吗？\n13 答：没有。\n14 问：家庭中的任何人看该房产时，您曾在场吗？\n15 答：我从未去过该房产。\n\n2 问：您知道家庭中的任何成员在购买前是否曾看过该房产吗？\n3 答：我不知道。\n4 问：您会如何将该房产的规模与郭先生此前一直在看的其他房产相比？\n5 答：该房产价值较低。我认为大约是2 million。\n6 LUFT先生（卢夫特）：我们将Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证物12——\n7 THOMASON先生（托马森）：14。\n8 LUFT先生（卢夫特）：14？谢谢。\n9 THOMASON先生（托马森）：13。\n10 LUFT先生（卢夫特）：13？那更好。\n11 好的。其Bates编号为WBAM_006317。\n12 是标签37。它是一封来自——看起来是Conboy女士发给\n13 Joel Kaye（乔尔·凯）、Gideon Fountain（吉迪恩·方丹）和Martha\n14 Jeffrey（玛莎·杰弗里）的电子邮件，日期为August 19, 2019，内容涉及\n15 33 Ferncliff。\n16 （Whitman Breed证物13，电子邮件串，Bates编号WBAM_006317，\n17 此时被标记用于识别。） 1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第58页\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 登记日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第60页，共99页\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第59页\n\n2 卢夫特先生讯问：\n3 问：Conboy女士，您记得您写的这封电子邮件吗？\n4 答：我不记得，但我看到我写给了Joel。\n5 问：好的。Joel Kaye是谁？\n6 答：Joel Kaye是卖方的律师。\n7 问：您写道：“我已与我的客户审阅了修改内容。他唯一的修改是\n8 关于五个营业日的宽限期——他希望改为三个营业日，因为\n9 该家庭正从California搬来，他们的租约到期，\n10 他们需要安顿好孩子并为其办理入学。”\n11\n12 您看到了吗？\n13 答：看到了。\n14 问：这封电子邮件中所指的“他”是谁？\n15 答：Max。那是Max。\n16 问：好的。您记得Krasner先生告诉您，将住在33 Ferncliff的家庭正从California搬来吗？\n17 答：他一定说过，因为那是我在电子邮件中写的内容。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第60页\n\n2 问：我想推断他还告诉您有学龄儿童？\n3 答：对。\n4 问：所以，这里对“家庭”的提及并不是指郭先生的家庭，\n5 对吗，即他的直系亲属？\n6 答：对，对。\n7 问：依您理解，这并不是给他的妻子和成年子女住的房子？\n8 答：依我理解，不是。\n9 问：好的。您记得用来支付该房屋的资金来源是什么吗？\n10 答：我不知道。\n11 问：现在，其中写道：“我的客户正在将资金电汇至我们的受托账户。”\n12\n13 您记得他们从哪里电汇资金吗？\n14 答：不，我不记得。我不知道。\n15 问：您记得他们是以现金购买该房屋，还是有融资吗？\n16 答：没有融资。\n17 问：在购买该房屋之前，他们是否必须向卖方提供任何类型的财务尽职调查资料或陈述？\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第61页\n\n2 卖方？\n3 答：我不知道。\n4 LUFT先生（卢夫特）：我将要求把标签39后的一份文件标记为\n5 证物14。其Bates编号为WBAM_010121，是您于August 20, 2019发给\n6 Bruno女士（布鲁诺）的电子邮件，主题为：“Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治地产有限责任公司）。”\n7 （Whitman Breed证物14，日期为August 20, 2019的电子邮件，Bates编号\n8 WBAM_0101021，此时被标记用于识别。）\n9 卢夫特先生讯问：\n10 问：您看到了吗？\n11 答：看到了。\n12 问：Bruno女士是谁？\n13 答：我的律师助理。\n14 问：好的。您记得发送这封电子邮件吗？\n15 答：我不记得发送过，但我发送了。我不记得。\n16 问：您看到您写道：“您能否查一下Greenwich Land LLC的成员是谁——我想确认Max Krasner是成员\n17 ——它是一家Delaware LLC。”\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第62页\n\n2 您记得Bruno女士是否做过该项查询吗？\n3 答：我不记得。\n4 问：您记得是否曾问Krasner先生他是否是Greenwich Land LLC的成员吗？\n5 答：我不记得。\n6 问：Krasner先生是否曾告知您，他不是Greenwich Land LLC的成员？\n7 答：据我记得，没有。\n8 问：您知道——或者应该说，在交易当时，您知道Greenwich Land LLC的成员——其成员或多名成员是谁吗？\n9 答：我不记得。我不记得。\n10 问：您对该问题有任何记忆吗？\n11 答：没有。\n12 LUFT先生（卢夫特）：好的。您可以把那个放在一边。\n13\n14 我将把标签40后的一份文件标记为证物15，其Bates——Bates编号为WBAM_006741，该文件是日期为August 30,\n15 2019、您、Kaye先生和一名之间的一封电子邮件\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 登记日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第64页，共99页\n\n1 MARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第63页\n\n抄送人的数量。\n\n（Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证物15，电子邮件链，贝茨编号WBAM_006741，此时标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您看到了吗？\n答：看到了。\n问：上面写着（照读）：Joel，我的客户当时在房子里，U-Haul（优哈）卡车撞到了房屋侧面。我的客户正在给我发送照片。砖块需要更换。您记得这件事吗？\n答：我只记得Max打电话说，我想这辆U-Haul卡车撞到了房屋侧面，而且我不记得我们是如何——我不记得我们如何解决的，Joel——卖方是否给予了抵扣或者——或者没有。我不记得。\n问：您记得当U-Haul卡车撞上房屋时，具体是谁在房子里吗？\n答：不记得。\n问：好的。除了郭文贵先生以外，克拉斯纳先生是否曾告诉您，郭文贵先生的任何家庭成员曾到访过该房产？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 64\n\n答：据我记得，没有。\n托马森先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：据我记得，没有。\n问：好的。\n卢夫特先生：好的。我请求将证物16、Whitman Breed证言证物16、位于标签41之后的一份文件标记，该文件的贝茨编号为WBAM_007160至64，是布鲁诺女士、克拉斯纳先生和您之间的电子邮件链。\n\n（Whitman Breed证物16，电子邮件链，贝茨编号WBAM_007160至164，此时标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：具体而言，您看到了那份文件吗？\n答：看到了。\n问：它看起来是一份所述的电子邮件链吗？\n答：抱歉？\n问：它看起来是一份关于33 Ferncliff（芬克利夫33号）检查事宜、由克拉斯纳先生、布鲁诺女士和您之间往来的电子邮件链吗？\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 65\n\n答：是。\n问：如果您翻到贝茨编号末尾为161的页面，有一封克拉斯纳先生于October 21st发给布鲁诺女士和您的电子邮件，其中写道：“好的。谢谢。请告知我日期，我会提前通知租户。”\n康博伊女士，您记得33 Ferncliff房产将出租给一名租户吗？\n答：我不记得。我不记得。\n问：作为房地产专业人士，当有人提到有一名租户时，您会如何理解？这是否让您理解为——该房产将被出租？\n答：嗯，那里会有——会有一份租约，他们正在支付租金，或者人们住在那里并支付租金。\n卢夫特先生：我将请求把一份贝茨编号为WBAM_000002至05的文件标记为Whitman Breed证物17。\n托马森先生：那是标签42，对吗？\n卢夫特先生：是的，先生。\n\n（Whitman Breed证物17，信托\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 67 of 99\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 66\n\n分类账，贝茨编号WBAM_000002至5，此时标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：康博伊女士，您认得这份文件吗？\n答：认得。这是一份用于——用于受托人账户的信托分类账。\n问：您能向我解释一下那是什么吗？\n答：因此，当我们在购买或出售中代理任何人时，款项通过我们的受托人账户流转，而这份文件——它显示存入的款项、汇出的款项、以及在一笔交易中开出的或为一笔交易开具的支票。\n问：您能否大致带我看一下这份文件，说明本次交易的资金流向？\n答：所以第一部分是购买Ferncliff。\n问：购买方是谁——上面写着：“Golden Spring（金泉）”——\n答：Golden Spring和Greenwich Land（格林威治土地）。这是Greenwich Land。\n问：那么这里进行购买的是谁？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 67\n\n答：看起来是Greenwich Land。\n问：但第一项写着：“代表Golden Spring。”\n那么您能否帮我弄清楚这是如何运作的，因为——\n托马森先生：那么我能否请证人检验一下——Avi，您是在询问她对该交易结构的记忆，还是在问她这份文件说了什么？因为我以为您是在问文件说了什么。\n卢夫特先生：嗯，听着，如果存在差异，我想知道。我只是确实——康博伊女士作为你们的代表，我只是请她向我解释应当如何——如何理解这份分类账。\n我不知道她今天是如何理解的之间是否存在区别，所以我可以问那个基础性问题。\n托马森先生：嗯，可能还有其他文件——如果您想知道它是如何构建、如何购买或者诸如此类的，可能有其他文件比这份文件更适合说明这些。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 69 of 99\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 68\n\n卢夫特先生：我只是想了解这份文件如何运作。这是——嗯，为什么我们不逐部分来看。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：这是Whitman Breed的信托分类账，对吗？\n答：对，对。这是一份会计记录。这是我们的会计记录。因此，我们每做一笔出售交易都这样做。\n所以看起来——看起来August 27th代表Golden Spring存入了120万。\n问：好的。\n答：然后是Capital One（第一资本），但接着写着Greenwich，所以这大概是为了Greenwich Land LLC（格林威治土地有限责任公司）的利益。\n然后另一边的这些支票是所有支出的款项，例如First American Title Insurance（第一美国产权保险公司）、应付给另一名律师的余额、首付款——让我看看——Town of Greenwich（格林威治镇）的登记费。所以这些都是支出项目。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 69\n\n问：它们都写着：“代表Golden Springs。”所以，如果我理解正确，这是Golden Spring代表Greenwich Land支付120万，接着是所有支出的款项，而且那些全都——写着：“代表”——所以这些是从该账户中代表Golden Spring支付的款项，对吗？\n答：我不知道。我不能肯定地这么说，因为我们的会计记录——我不知道那是否正确。因为会计记录，他们只是使用——那些是我们用于指称事项的编号。我不知道那实际上是否是——他们如何——如果Golden Spring——我不知道。我不知道。\n问：那么，当上面写着（照读）：支出：J.P. Morgan Chase（摩根大通），代表Golden Spring，这是什么意思？请解释一下，这是如何运作的？这是什么意思？\n答：我得问我的簿记员。我不知道。\n托马森先生：形式。\n问：这是否表明这是代表Golden Spring以外的任何人所作的\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 71 of 99\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 70\n\n付款？\n答：或者代表Greenwich Land。我不——\n问：那里没有提及Greenwich Land，对吗？\n答：有——是的，有。\n问：在哪里？\n答：Greenwich Land LLC购买了33 Ferncliff。\n这些问题您得问我的簿记员，因为我确实不知道他们如何给这些事项作标签，但您上面也有Greenwich Land LLC。\n问：嗯，在“存入”项下，他们从——对，代表Greenwich Land从Golden Spring收到款项，这就是您告诉我的，对吗？\n答：这是这里所写的。\n问：对于所有“支出”项目，所有支出只提及Golden Spring，而没有提及Greenwich Land，对吗？\n答：不对。\n托马森先生：嘿，Avi，您想暂时停止记录一分钟吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 71\n\n如果您想停止记录，我们大概可以把这件事解释得更清楚一些。\n卢夫特先生：当然，我们可以暂时停止记录一下。\n录像员：我们于11:57 a.m.停止记录。\n（休庭。）\n录像员：我们于11:59 a.m.恢复记录。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：康博伊女士，还有几个问题。\n中间有一个灰色轮廓框，写着：“存入：代表Golden Spring从标签转换。”底部写着：“Hudson Diamond（哈德逊钻石）。”\n那是Hudson Diamond存入这个账户的款项吗？\n答：我不确定您在看哪里。\n问：就在中间，有一个大的灰色框，写着：“存入。”\n条目编号795777？\n答：795777。\n那是你们的收款。看起来\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 72\n\n像是——哦，我在这里看到了。有一笔$2,800的收款。\n问：好的。我的问题只是：那笔钱是否来自Hudson Diamond，因为它写着：“存入”？\n答：再说一遍，我不知道。我不清楚是否——不清楚。我不明白他们——这个程序是如何运作的。\n问：明白。\n答：是。\n问：好的。我想我们稍后会尝试澄清。\n还有一个问题，如果您能回答：如果您翻到下一页，有一项条目写着1102379，是代表Golden Spring分配的大约227万，并写着：“银行：The First Bank of Greenwich（格林威治第一银行）。”关于净销售收益，33——您能否——那是否是从其——\n答：那是银行——他们告诉我们——Max Krasner告诉我们将销售收益电汇至该账户。\n问：明白了。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 74 of 99\n\n玛格丽特·E·康博伊 Page 73\n\n问：所以这笔钱是——\n\n答：出售所得款项。\n\n问：这是房屋 33 Ferncliff 出售时所得的款项？\n\n答：对，正确。\n\n问：所以，当 33 Ferncliff 再次出售且 Kwok 先生（郭文贵）为出售方时，款项被汇入的就是这个银行账户，对吗？这是 First Bank of Greenwich（格林尼治第一银行）？\n\n答：Max（马克斯）建议我将款项电汇至该账户。\n\n问：好的。账户号码上有一处遮盖。\n\n这是您做的涂黑处理，还是律所做的？\n\n答：是的。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特）：好的。我们要求您向我们提供完整的账户号码。\n\n所以，Michael，也许您可以让会计部门也向我们提供该信息。\n\n问：好的。Krasner 先生（克拉斯纳）是否告诉过您该银行账户属于谁？\n\n答：没有。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务公司）— 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 录入日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第 75 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第 74 页\n\n问：那并不是最初用于购买该房屋的资金所来自的银行账户，对吗？\n\n答：我不知道。我不知道。\n\n问：如果我们查看信托账簿，那是一个 Capital One（第一资本）账户？\n\nTHOMASON 先生（托马森）：您必须回答“是”或“否”。\n\n答：是，是。\n\n问：好的。所以，购买 33 Ferncliff 的资金来自一个 Capital One 账户，但在 2022 年出售该房屋所得的款项被汇入了一个 First Bank of Greenwich 账户，对吗？\n\n答：正确。\n\n问：并且，您从未被告知该 First Bank of Greenwich 银行账户登记在谁的名下，对吗？\n\n答：正确。\n\n问：除款项被汇入该 First Bank of Greenwich 账户这一事实外，您是否有关于谁收取了 33 Ferncliff 出售所得款项的任何其他信息？\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT 先生：我想我们现在到 18 号了？\n\nTSG Reporting — 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 录入日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第 76 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 75 页\n\n这听起来对大家都没问题吗？\n\nTHOMASON 先生：是。\n\nLUFT 先生：我要求将标签 60 后的一份文件标记为 Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证言证据 18，Bates 编号为 008330 至 008334；该文件是 Krasner 先生与 Conboy 女士就 33 Ferncliff 往来的电子邮件链，日期为 February 10, 2021。\n\n（Whitman Breed 证据 18，电子邮件链，Bates 编号 WBAM_008330 至 334，此时已标记供识别。）\n\nTHOMASON 先生：您是说 8330 至 334？\n\nLUFT 先生：是。\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Conboy 女士，您认得这份您与 Krasner 先生之间的电子邮件链吗？\n\n答：我不记得了，但这是我们之间的一份电子邮件链，不过我不记得。\n\n问：您看到 Krasner 先生在 February 2021 谈到将 33 Ferncliff 赠与一位 Qing Cai（蔡青）吗？\n\n您看到了吗？\n\nTSG Reporting — 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 76 页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您记得任何有关将 33 Ferncliff 赠与 Qing Cai 的讨论吗？\n\n答：我不记得有关此事的任何事情。我不记得赠与过它。我不记得我们是否曾提交过将其以放弃权利契据转让给该人的契据。\n\n问：最终并未这样做，因为事实上——\n\n答：产权仍在 Greenwich Land（格林尼治土地）名下。\n\n问：对，因为他们将其作为无通道地块出售？\n\n答：是，所以我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得 Qing Cai 是谁？\n\n答：不记得。\n\n问：您从证据 18 中是否看到，看起来 Qing Cai 是——居住在 33 Ferncliff Road 的租户？\n\n答：Max 将她——将其地址写为 33 Ferncliff。\n\n问：您是否记得任何关于 Kwok 先生想将该房产赠与 Cai 女士或其他任何人的讨论？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 77 页\n\n答：如我所说，我没有与——我从未与 Kwok 先生谈过。是 Max。因此，我不记得 Max 告诉我有关赠与该房产的事。\n\n问：但您理解 Krasner 先生是为业主工作，而不是 Krasner 先生本人是业主，对吗？\n\n答：对，正确，正确。\n\n问：您是否记得为何决定不赠与该房产，而是事实上保留该房产？\n\n答：不记得。\n\n问：好的。您是否记得——我们已略微谈过此事——事实上，在 April 2022，33 Ferncliff Road 被出售了？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您第一次听说 33 Ferncliff 的业主想要出售该房产是在何时？\n\n答：我——我不记得。应当是 Max 或经纪人告诉我的。我不记得是哪一个。\n\n问：他们是否曾告诉您为何想出售该房屋？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：他们是否曾与您讨论过，纽约州法院（New York State Court）有一项裁定，限制出售 Kwok 先生的资产这一事实？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：或者，他们曾因不得出售该房屋而被送达法律文书？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Krasner 先生没有告诉过您这件事，对吗？\n\n答：没有，正确。\n\n问：您记得从第一次被告知他们正考虑出售该房屋，到房屋实际出售，整个过程持续了多久？\n\n答：我不记得日期。我不——我不知道。我不记得日期。\n\n问：您是否记得那是一个相对快速的过程？\n\n答：不记得。我不记得那是一个相对快速的过程。我不记得用了多久。\n\n问：鉴于在某个时候您曾被告知该房产将被赠与，您是否记得听说现在该房产将被出售时曾感到惊讶？\n\n答：没有，我——没有，我并不惊讶。\n\n问：除出售所得款项或金钱被汇入 First Bank of Greenwich 账户这一事实外，您是否知道 33 Ferncliff 的出售所得款项在转移后去了哪里？\n\n答：没有，没有。没有。\n\n问：您是否曾与 Kwok 夫人谈过话？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您知道 Kwok 先生妻子的姓名吗？\n\n答：我完全不知道，不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾与她有过任何沟通？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：如果我说出 Hin Chi Nok（欣奇·诺克）这个名字，是否能唤起您的记忆？\n\n答：不能。\n\n问：您是否曾收到任何代表 Nok 女士就任何房产发出的指示？\n\nTSG Reporting — 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 录入日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第 81 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 80 页\n\n问：关于任何房产？\n\n答：据我所知，没有。\n\n问：您知道 Nok 女士是否以任何方式参与了 33 Ferncliff 的出售吗？\n\n答：我完全不知道。\n\n问：债务人的儿子 Miles Guo（郭迈尔斯）呢？\n\n答：我不知道，没有。\n\n问：您以前听说过这个名字吗？\n\n答：没有，没听说过。\n\n问：您是否听说过 Chen Guo（郭晨）这个名字？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：就 33 Ferncliff 而言，您是否曾收到被告知是代表 Chen Guo 先生发出的任何指示——\n\n答：是，据我所知没有。\n\n问：同样的问题：您是否曾被给予任何——您是否曾被告知——您是否知晓 Mae Guo（郭梅）曾以任何方式参与——参与 33 Ferncliff 相关事宜？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：在您与 Krasner 先生的所有沟通中，他是否曾告诉您，在作出任何决定前，他需要取得 Kwok 先生儿子的批准？\n\nTSG Reporting — 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1604-40 提交日期 03/27/23 录入日期 03/27/23 14:12:10 第 82 页，共 99 页\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 81 页\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Krasner 先生是否曾告诉您，在作出任何决定前，他需要取得 Kwok 先生的妻子 Nok 女士的批准？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：他是否曾告诉您，在作出任何决定前，他需要取得 Kwok 先生的女儿 Mae Guo 女士的批准？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：这对您代表 Kwok 先生处理的所有房产都属实吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生：我们可以把那份材料放到一边。\n\n问：现在，还有另一处涉及 Kwok 先生的房产，您并不代表他，对吗，即 373 Taconic Road？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：当 Kwok 先生是该房产的买方时，您代表卖方，对吗？\n\n答：正确。\n\nTSG Reporting — 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY\n\n问：即使 Kwok 先生将成为买方，您是否取得了豁免，以便您可以在该房产交易中代表卖方？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您记得该交易的哪些情况？\n\n答：我不记得该交易有任何异常之处，没有任何不寻常之处。\n\n问：好的。您是否记得在完成——订立合同之前，从潜在买方处收到财务尽职调查材料？\n\n答：不记得。\n\n问：那么在订立合同之后呢？\n\n答：不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得该房屋是否有融资？\n\n答：对不起？\n\n问：您是否记得该房屋是否有任何融资？\n\n答：我不——我不记得。我不知道。\n\n问：您是否记得 Kwok 先生用什么资金购买 373 Taconic Road——\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第 83 页\n\n问：请原谅？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：好的。您的当事人是 Augustine 先生，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您此前曾代理 Augustine 先生吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您记得 Emile deNeree（埃米尔·德内雷）先生是该交易中代表买方的经纪人吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师：我们将其标记为 Whitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）证言证据 19。对吗？\n\nTHOMASON 律师：对。\n\nLUFT 律师：很好。\n\n第 55 个标签页后的文件。Bates 编号为 WBAM_009051 至 53 的文件，我相信您会告诉我，这是您本人、deNeree 先生、Krasner 先生和 Bruno 女士就 373 Taconic Road 所往来的电子邮件链。\n\n（Whitman Breed 证据 19，即 Bates 编号为 WBAM_009051 至 53 的电子邮件链，此时已标记用于识别。）\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊） 第84页\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：您看到了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：事实上，该邮件链中还有一封较早的电子邮件，是 Julie Burke（朱莉·伯克）女士发给 deNeree 先生的，它开启了这一切，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：她对仍由托管账户持有的资金有疑问，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：随后，deNeree 先生于 8 月 19 日给您写信，他说：“亲爱的 Margaret 和 Max”——那是您和 Krasner 先生，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：“373 Taconic 的卖方”——那是您的当事人 Augustine 先生，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：“该房产由 Miles 以 Greenwich Land（格林尼治土地）的名义购买”——那是 Kwok 先生通过 Greenwich Land 购买该房产，对吗？\n\n答：我——是的，邮件上是这么写的。这封电子邮件是这么写的。\n\n问：您对该交易是否有任何不同的了解？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第85页\n\n答：我不记得他们是如何购买的。我确实不记得。\n\n问：好的。“要求解除托管账户中的资金。”\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：您告知 deNeree 先生，您代理 Augustine 先生，因此应联系 Krasner 先生或买方律师，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：deNeree 先生是买方的经纪人，而不是卖方的经纪人，对吗？\n\n答：我不记得，但从电子邮件上看似乎是这样。\n\n问：他是在说——作为买方的经纪人，他是在说该房屋已经被购买——他告诉您，该房屋由 Kwok 先生以 Greenwich Land 的名义购买；对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：好的。\n\n您最后一次代表 Kwok 先生、Greenwich Land、Golden Springs（金泉）或任何其他与 Kwok 先生关联的实体办理交易是在何时？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 87 of 99\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第86页\n\n答：是 Ferncliff 的出售。\n\n问：除此之外，关于 373 Taconic Road 的交易，您只是处于交易的对方一侧，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您是否曾在涉及 Kwok 先生的任何其他交易中处于对方一侧？\n\n答：没有。据我所知，没有。\n\n问：自 Ferncliff 房产交易以来，Kwok 先生、Krasner 先生，或任何其他与 Kwok 先生关联的人，是否曾就任何其他潜在业务联系过您或您的律所？\n\n答：我认为没有。据我记忆，没有。\n\n问：您是否知道有任何其他律师曾就房地产交易代理 Kwok 先生？\n\n答：不知道，据我所知没有。只有 373，但是——我不——就这些。\n\n问：除了通过 Google 得知 Kwok 先生是一名华裔亿万富翁外，您在与他的交往中还了解到有关 Kwok 先生的什么情况？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务） - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 88 of 99\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第87页\n\n答：就这些。我确实没有对他了解太多。\n\n问：任何经纪人曾向您讲过关于 Kwok 先生的任何事情吗？\n\n答：没有。我不记得有。\n\n问：除我们今天讨论的内容外，您是否曾了解到有关名为“Greenwich Land”的实体的任何情况？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否知道除 Kwok 先生之外，还有任何人对 Greenwich Land 拥有任何权益或控制权？\n\n答：我完全不知道。\n\n问：是否有人曾告诉您，除 Kwok 先生之外还有其他人控制 Greenwich Land？\n\n答：如我所说，没有人告诉我是谁控制它。\n\n问：是否有人曾告诉您是谁控制 Golden Spring（黄金泉）？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：是否有人曾告诉您，就您为 Golden Spring、Greenwich Land 或 Hudson Diamond（哈德逊钻石）所做工作涉及的房地产交易而言，除 Kwok 先生之外还有其他决策者？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务） - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-40 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 89 of 99\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第88页\n\n答：从未有人告诉我其中任何一个是谁在作决定。\n\n问：除非——嗯——\n\n答：是的，除电子邮件中发给我的任何内容外，但就这些。\n\n问：而且在那些电子邮件中，唯一被提到的人是 Miles Kwok（郭文贵），对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。我们休息一下吧。\n\nTHOMASON 律师：您打算休息多长时间？\n\nLUFT 律师：十分钟？\n\nTHOMASON 律师：好的。我去会计人员那边看看能否得到那个问题的答案。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的，如果您也能核对一下那个账号，就太好了。\n\nTHOMASON 律师：好的。谢谢。\n\n录像员：我们将在中午 12:23 停止记录。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务） - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于中午 12:38 恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Conboy 女士，我要请您再次拿出证言证据 17，即 Bates 编号为 WBAM_00002 至 00005 的文件。\n\n您面前有该文件吗？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：好的。现在，您的律师已告诉我，他将向我发送有关 First Bank of Greenwich（格林尼治第一银行）账户的未删节版本，因此那件事就会处理妥当。好吗？\n\n答：对。当然，可以。\n\n问：然后，我认为——我只是想澄清一下，因为我相信您做了一些查找，这很有帮助——也就是说，关于是哪一家银行的条目，无论是 Capital One（第一资本银行）还是 First Greenwich（格林尼治第一银行），所有那些——那些都是 Whitman Breed 会计部门根据他们确认真实的信息所作的实际手工录入，对吗？\n\n答：对，是的，对。\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第90页\n\n问：很好。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。您可以把它放在一边。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n问：好的。好吧。Conboy 女士，我们今天讨论了若干房产。我相信我们谈到的每一处房产，除 373 Taconic 外，都是您作为潜在购买项目代理 Kwok 先生利益的房产。我知道——这对吗？\n\n答：对，对。\n\n问：对于所有这些房产，我相信您都与作为 Kwok 先生代表的 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）先生打过交道，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：好的。\n\n答：对。\n\n问：在您就购买 33 Ferncliff 一事与作为 Kwok 先生代表的 Krasner 先生打交道时，就该房产与他打交道的方式，是否不同于您就 Kwok 先生曾考虑购买但未购买的任何其他房产与 Krasner 先生打交道的方式？\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY 第91页\n\n答：没有，没有。\n\n问：很好。\n\nLUFT 律师：Conboy 女士，我们谈到的最后一项程序性事项是，正如我已与您的律师谈过、也向您提到过的，我们将就认证和业务记录准备一份宣誓书或声明，以节省您的时间；但在完成该事项并提交一份声明后，我目前没有其他问题要问您。\n\n非常感谢。\n\n证人：谢谢。谢谢。\n\n录像员：Thomason 律师，您有什么要问的吗？\n\nTHOMASON 律师：没有。\n\n录像员：好的。律师，我们都准备好停止记录了吗？\n\nLUFT 律师：准备好了。\n\n录像员：今日对 Margaret E. Conboy 的证言至此结束。我们于中午 12:41 停止记录。本次也结束 Media 2。\n\n（诉讼程序于中午 12:41 结束。）\n\noOo\n\n本人，MARGARET E. CONBOY，本案证人，特此证明，本证言前述各页所载证词为真实、正确的记录，但以附页所示的更正（如有）为准。\n\n__________________________\n\nMARGARET E. CONBOY\n\n于_______年_______________月_______日，在本人面前签署并宣誓。\n\n_____________________________________\n\n第93页\n\n证明书\n\n本人，AMY A. RIVERA（艾米·A·里维拉），新泽西州认证速记员、注册专业速记员、认证 LiveNote 速记员及公证人，特此证明，在询问开始前，MARGARET E. CONBOY 已由本人依法宣誓，应就事实、全部事实及仅就事实作证。\n\n本人进一步证明，上述内容是在此前所述时间、地点及日期由本人当场以速记方式记录的证言之真实、准确的誊本。\n\n本人进一步证明，本人并非本案任何一方当事人的亲属、雇员、律师或法律顾问，亦非该等律师或法律顾问的亲属或雇员，且本人对本案不具有任何经济利益。\n\n22 ________________________________________\n Amy A. Rivera（艾米·A·里维拉）, CSR, RPR, CLR\n23 新泽西州公证人\n 我的任期于 July 29, 2025 届满\n24 执照编号 XI00939\n25 日期：February 21, 2023\n\n第 94 页\n\n目录\n证人 页码\nMARGARET E. CONBOY（玛格丽特·E·康博伊）\n由 Mr. Luft（卢夫特先生）询问 6\n\n附件\n编号 说明 页码\nWhitman Breed（惠特曼·布里德）附件 1 日期为 October\n 1, 2018 的信函，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_001464\n 至 465 19\nWhitman Breed 附件 2 日期为 October\n 3, 2019 的电子邮件，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_10076 21\nWhitman Breed 附件 3 日期为 August\n 16, 2019 的信函，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_000035\n 至 36 23\nWhitman Breed 附件 4 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_002235\n 至 237 25\nWhitman Breed 附件 5 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_001048\n 至 54 29\n\n第 95 页\n\n附件（续）\n编号 说明 页码\nWhitman Breed 附件 6 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_002663\n 至 672 30\nWhitman Breed 附件 7 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_002803\n 至 808 33\nWhitman Breed 附件 8 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_002172\n 至 173 36\nWhitman Breed 附件 9 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_003873\n 至 876 41\nWhitman Breed 附件 10 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_003873\n 至 876 46\nWhitman Breed 附件 11 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_008335\n 至 339 50\nWhitman Breed 附件 12 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_008641\n 至 643 52\n\n第 96 页\n\n附件（续）\n编号 说明 页码\nWhitman Breed 附件 13 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_006317 58\nWhitman Breed 附件 14 日期为 August\n 20, 2019 的电子邮件，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_0101021 61\nWhitman Breed 附件 15 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_006741 63\nWhitman Breed 附件 16 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_007160\n 至 164 64\nWhitman Breed 附件 17 信托分类账，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_000002\n 至 5 65\nWhitman Breed 附件 18 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_008330\n 至 334 75\nWhitman Breed 附件 19 电子邮件往来，Bates\n 编号为 WBAM_009051\n 至 53 83\n\n第 97 页\n\n文件提供请求\n页码/行号 说明\n73 18 我们请求您向我们提供\n 完整的账户号码\n\n勘误表 第 98 页\n\n案件名称：\n证言日期：\n证人：\n页码 行号 现载为 应为 理由\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n___ ___ __________ __________ ____________________\n _____________________\n 证人签名\n于本人面前签署并宣誓\n于 2023 年 __________ 的 ____ 日。\n____________________\n（公证人） 我的任期届满日期：__________","key_entities":["Kwok","Je","Guo","Ho Wan Kwok","Despins","Miles Guo","Luc Despins","Paul Hastings"],"ecf_references":[],"word_count":33620,"status":"published","published_at":"2023-03-27 00:00:00","created_at":"2023-03-27","updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:54:42"}