{"id":"court_ctb_1604_48","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":1604,"sub_number":48,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2023-03-27","title":"Exhibit 48 | 1 |","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **Exhibit 48**\n\n| 1 | | Page 1 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| | 2· ·UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT | |\n| | 3· ·DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT | |\n| | 4· ·BRIDGEPORT DIVISION | |\n| | 5· ·---------------------------------------X | |\n| | 6· ·In Re: | |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Chapter 11
7· · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK,· · · · · · · · · Case No. | |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 22-50073 (JAM)
8· · · · · · · · · · · ·Debtor. | |\n| | 9· ·---------------------------------------X | |\n| 10 | | |\n| | 11· · · ·REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · ·Thursday, March 2, 2023 | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| | 16· ·Reported by: | |\n| | 17· ·Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR | |\n| | 18· ·Job 222883 | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| | · · ·22 | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| 1 | | |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| 2 | | |\n| | 3· · · · · · · · · · March 2, 2023 | |\n| | 4· · · · · · · · · ·10:28 a.m. | |\n| 5 | | |\n| | 6· · REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK, | |\n| | 7· · before Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court | |\n| | 8· · Reporter, Certified Realtime Reporter, Registered | |\n| | 9· · Merit Reporter and Notary Public of the States of | |\n| | 10· · New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. | |\n| 11 | | |\n| 12 | | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 16 | | |\n| 17 | | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\n105\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 3 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| | ·2· ·R E M O T E· ·A P P E A R A N C E S: | |\n| | ·3· ·PAUL HASTINGS LLP
· · · · · · Attorneys for TRUSTEE | |\n| | ·4· · · · · 200 Park Avenue
· · · · · · New York, New York· 10166 | |\n| ·5 | · · ·BY:· AVRAM LUFT, ESQ. | |\n| ·7 | ·6· · · · DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ.
· · · · · WILL FARMER, ESQ. | |\n| | ·8· ·CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC
· · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL | |\n| | ·9· · · · · MEI GUO
· · · · · · One Boland Drive | |\n| | 10· · · · · West Orange, New Jersey 07052 | |\n| | 11· ·BY:· ·PATRICIA BERGAMASCO, ESQ. | |\n| 12 | | |\n| | 13· ·ZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C. | |\n| | · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL
14· · · · · MEI GUO | |\n| | · · · · · · 10 Middle Street
15· · · · · Bridgeport, Connecticut· 06604 | |\n| | 16· ·BY:· ·AARON ROMNEY, ESQ. | |\n| 17 | | |\n| | 18· ·ALSO PRESENT:· Matthew Chin-Quee, The Videographer | |\n| | 19· · · · · · · · · Luyi Song, Law Clerk, Paul Hastings | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · · · Jingyi Wang, Mandarin Interpreter | |\n| | 21· · · · · · · · · Una Wilkinson, Mandarin Check Interpreter | |\n| | 22· · · · · · **· · · · · · · **· · · · · · · ·** | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | 105 |\n|--|-----|\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok |\n|------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Good morning.· My name |\n| ·3· ·is Matthew Chin-Quee.· I'm a legal videographer |\n| ·4· ·in association with TSG Reporting.· I won't be |\n| ·5· ·in the same room with the witness.· I'll record |\n| ·6· ·the deposition remotely.· The reporter, |\n| ·7· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett also will not be in the |\n| ·8· ·same room and will swear the witness remotely. |\n| ·9· · · · Do parties stipulate to the validity of |\n| 10· ·the video recording and remote swearing and |\n| 11· ·that it will be admissible in the courtroom as |\n| 12· ·if it had been taken following Rule 30 of the |\n| 13· ·Federal Rules of Civil Procedures and the |\n| 14· ·state's rules where the case is pending? |\n| 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· This is Avi Luft on behalf of |\n| 16· ·the Chapter 11 trustee, and we agree. |\n| 17· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, Aaron Romney, |\n| 18· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on behalf of the debtor, the |\n| 19· ·witness.· We agree. |\n| 20· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Patricia Bergamasco on |\n| 21· ·behalf of Mei Guo and HK International. |\n| 22· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n23· · · · This is the --\n\n24· · · · MR. LUFT:· You agree?\n\n25· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes.· My apologies.\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 5 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | |\n| ·3· · · · This is the start of tape number 1 of the | |\n| ·4· ·videotaped deposition of Ho Wan Kwok in the | |\n| ·5· ·matter In Re: Ho Wan Kwok in the United States | |\n| ·6· ·Bankruptcy Court District of Connecticut | |\n| ·7· ·Bridgeport Division, number 22-50073 (JAM). | |\n| ·8· ·The parties have agreed to appear remotely on | |\n| ·9· ·March 2, 2023, at approximately 10:28 a.m. | |\n| 10· · · · My name is Matthew Chin-Quee from | |\n| 11· ·TSG Reporting, and I'm the legal video | |\n| 12· ·specialist.· The court reporter is | |\n| 13· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett, in association with | |\n| 14· ·TSG Reporting. | |\n| 15· · · · Will all counsel please introduce | |\n| 16· ·yourself. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Hi.· This is Avi Luft of | |\n| 18· ·Paul Hastings.· I represent the Chapter 11 | |\n| 19· ·trustee in, in Re: Ho Wan Kwok.· Along with me | |\n| 20· ·are my colleagues Douglass Barron, Will Farmer, | |\n| 21· ·and Luyi Song, who is a law clerk. | |\n| 22· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Aaron Romney, | |\n| 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler.· I represent the Debtor | |\n| 24· ·Mr. Kwok in the main bankruptcy case.· Also | |\n| | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n25· ·representing him in his capacity as a witness\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-48 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 7 of\n\n105\n\n| Page 6 | |\n|--------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · today in this adversary proceeding.· I do also | |\n| ·3· · · · have an appearance on behalf of Mei Guo and | |\n| ·4· · · · HKI USA in this adversary proceeding. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· This is Patricia | |\n| ·6· · · · Bergamasco from Zeisler & Zeisler, representing | |\n| ·7· · · · Mei Guo and HK International USA in the | |\n| ·8· · · · adversary proceeding. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·Will the court reporter please swear in | |\n| 11· · · · the Interpreter and the witness. | |\n| 12· ·J I N G Y I· ·W A N G, | |\n| 13· · · · · having been first duly sworn by a Notary | |\n| 14· · · · · Public within and for the State of New York, | |\n| 15· · · · · translated the questions from | |\n| 16· · · · · English to Mandarin and the answers | |\n| 17· · · · · from Mandarin to English under oath as | |\n| 18· · · · · follows: | |\n| 19· · Ho Wan Kwok, having been called as a witness, having been | |\n| 20· ·first duly sworn (through an Interpreter),· was examined and | |\n| 21· ·testified as follows: | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· And just a note from the | |\n| 24· · · · Interpreter.· The Interpreter has received the | |\n| 25· · · · link, and the realtime is now working. | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 7 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. | |\n| ·3· ·EXAMINATION | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Good morning, Mr. Kwok.· How are you? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I'm very well, Counsel.· How are you this | |\n| ·7· ·morning? | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·I'm well.· Thank you for asking. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Before we start, I'm going to read through | |\n| 10· ·the terms that counsel has agreed to with regard to | |\n| 11· ·this remote deposition today.· There are multiple, | |\n| 12· ·so I think what I will do, I will pause after each | |\n| 13· ·one so that the Interpreter has an opportunity to | |\n| 14· ·just translate it.· I'm not looking for an answer, | |\n| 15· ·I'm just more just stating what they are.· But I | |\n| 16· ·think that will be easier. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·Trustee has agreed to take the debtor's | |\n| 18· ·deposition remotely today based on the following | |\n| 19· ·agreements agreed to by debtor's counsel, on his | |\n| 20· ·behalf:· First, HK USA and Ms. Mei Guo no longer | |\n| 21· ·intend to call the debtor to offer testimony on | |\n| 22· ·their behalf and have removed him from their list of | |\n| 23· ·intended hearing witnesses. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·The taking of this deposition remotely is | |\n| 25· ·based on the understanding that other than questions | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 8 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· ·regarding Mr. Kwok's name, his address, and | |\n| ·3· ·identifying who his family members are, it is the | |\n| ·4· ·debtor's intention to assert his Fifth Amendment | |\n| ·5· ·rights to any questions posed at this deposition. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to assert -- to | |\n| ·7· ·not -- excuse me.· Let me strike that. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to not assert his | |\n| ·9· ·Fifth Amendment rights and, instead, answer the | |\n| 10· ·questions, this is a breach of the agreement to | |\n| 11· ·conduct his deposition remotely, and his deposition | |\n| 12· ·will immediately be taken in person.· Both sides are | |\n| 13· ·clear that deciding to not answer a question by | |\n| 14· ·asserting his Fifth Amendment rights is not an | |\n| 15· ·option for the debtor to consider at this time. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·The remote deposition is being offered in | |\n| 17· ·good faith because the debtor requested it, not | |\n| 18· ·because of need or the trustee's acknowledgment that | |\n| 19· ·a remote deposition of the debtor is appropriate | |\n| 20· ·here or going forward.· And any attempt to | |\n| 21· ·substantively answer and not assert his Fifth | |\n| 22· ·Amendment rights is a breach of this agreement. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·I'm sorry.· We're going to need to go off | |\n| 24· ·the record.· My computer just crashed.· I apologize. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 9 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· ·record at 10:37 a.m. | |\n| ·3· · · · (Recess.) | |\n| ·4· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| ·5· ·record at 10:45 a.m. | |\n| ·6· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will keep going with the | |\n| ·7· ·stipulations.· Sorry for the technical issue. | |\n| ·8· · · · The debtor must be physically within the | |\n| ·9· ·jurisdiction of the court, meaning within | |\n| 10· ·100 miles of the court, when the deposition is | |\n| 11· ·taken.· No one other than the debtor's | |\n| 12· ·interpreter and his attorney from | |\n| 13· ·Zeisler & Zeisler may be in the room with the | |\n| 14· ·debtor when he is deposed.· The debtor may not | |\n| 15· ·communicate with anyone other than his counsel | |\n| 16· ·from Zeisler & Zeisler when the deposition is | |\n| 17· ·on the record. | |\n| 18· · · · The debtor's interpreter is not to | |\n| 19· ·communicate with the debtor while we are on the | |\n| 20· ·record.· The only interpreter is the official | |\n| 21· ·one, Ms. Jingyi Wang.· The debtor's interpreter | |\n| 22· ·is there to help the debtor communicate with | |\n| 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on breaks and to advise | |\n| 24· ·Zeisler & Zeisler regarding the translation | |\n| 25· ·while the deposition is ongoing.· The debtor's | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 10 | | |\n|---------|--|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | | | | |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|\n| ·2· ·interpreter is not to speak on the record. | | | | |\n| ·3· · · · The debtor is to have access to no devices | | | | |\n| ·4· ·that can send or receive messages while the | | | | |\n| ·5· ·deposition is on the record.· The debtor is not | | | | |\n| ·6· ·to send or read messages during the deposition | | | | |\n| ·7· ·while it is on the record. | | | | |\n| ·8· · · · Are we -- all counsel, are we all still in | | | | |\n| ·9· ·agreement as to these stipulated agreements? | | | | |\n| 10· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes.· That's correct.· The | | | | |\n| 11· ·only qualification I would say is, to the | | | | |\n| 12· ·extent I need to say something on the record | | | | |\n| 13· ·that requires the debtor to understand | | | | |\n| 14· ·Ms. Wilkinson -- to the extent I need to | | | | |\n| 15· ·communicate with the debtor, it will be through | | | | |\n| 16· ·Ms. Wilkinson. | | | | |\n| 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, while we're on the | | | | |\n| 18· ·record, I'd ask that you use Ms. Wang to speak | | | | |\n| 19· ·to the debtor.· To extent you need to speak to | | | | |\n| 20· ·him about privilege, let's go off the record, | | | | |\n| 21· ·in which case, you can use Ms. Wilkinson | | | | |\n| 22· ·however you need to, to speak to him. | | | | |\n| 23· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Sure.· I think that's | | | | |\n| 24· ·generally correct.· To the extent that, like in | | | | |\n| 25· ·a typical setting, where I would say something | | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-48 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 12\n\nof 105\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|--|\n| ·2· · · · to a client on the record without taking a | | |\n| ·3· · · · break to determine if a break is necessary, it | | |\n| ·4· · · · may need to be through Ms. Wilkinson, but I'm | | |\n| ·5· · · · not anticipating any issues. | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine. | | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·And Ms. Bergamasco, you remain in | | |\n| ·8· · · · agreement to these terms? | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Can you repeat that? | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just confirming that your firm | | |\n| 11· · · · remains in agreement to the terms that have | | |\n| 12· · · · been agreed upon that I have just set forth. | | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes. | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. | | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been extremely patient. | | |\n| 17· ·Thank you for that. | | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, can I ask you to state your name | | |\n| 19· ·and your residence for the record? | | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·My Chinese name is Kwok Ho Wan.· My | | |\n| 21· ·address is on the Fifth Avenue in New York.· It's | | |\n| 22· ·the Sherry-Netherlands, but I can't remember the | | |\n| 23· ·exact number.· It's either 768 or 769. | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, are you in that address | | |\n| 25· ·right now? | | |\n| | | |\n\n| | | Page 12 | | |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|--|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I know you've been | | | |\n| ·4· ·deposed before, but I just want to go over some | | | | |\n| ·5· ·basic ground rules just so we are on the same page; | | | | |\n| ·6· ·is that okay? | | | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Okay. | | | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you understand that you're | | | |\n| ·9· ·testifying under oath today? | | | | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·And by that, all your -- any testimony you | | | |\n| 12· ·offer must be truthful. | | | | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·Do you understand that? | | | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | | | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Is there any reason that you cannot offer | | | |\n| 16· ·truthful testimony today? | | | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | | | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, can we have an agreement that if | | | |\n| 19· ·any of my questions are not clear to you, you will | | | | |\n| | 20· ·ask me -- you will let me know and ask me to | | | |\n| 21· ·clarify? | | | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Thank you very much. | | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, if you don't tell me that | | | |\n| 24· ·something is unclear, could we have an agreement | | | | |\n| 25· ·that I can assume that you understand my question? | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n\n| Page 13 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|----------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay.· That's fine. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is anyone in the room with you | |\n| ·4· ·today? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·My attorney and the Interpreter, Una. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Is your attorney Mr. Romney? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·I only know him by Aaron.· I'm not sure | |\n| ·8· ·about his other name. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, that is you, | |\n| 10· · · · correct? | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, it is me, Avi.· Aaron | |\n| 12· · · · Romney. | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·And your interpreter is Una Wilkinson, | |\n| 15· ·correct? | | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Is there anyone else in the room with you | |\n| 18· ·today? | | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is the name of your | |\n| 21· ·daughter? | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·Kwok Mei. | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·And what is the name of your son? | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·Kwok Qiang. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Does he sometimes also go by the name | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 14 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Mileson Kwok? | | |\n| | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·And what is name of your wife? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·Yu Chang Chu. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, did you do anything to prepare | |\n| | ·7· ·for your deposition today? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Did you meet with counsel to prepare for | |\n| 10· ·your deposition today? | | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you review any documents in | |\n| 13· ·preparation for your deposition today? | | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Did you review anything to refresh your | |\n| 16· ·recollection for your deposition today? | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·At this point, Mr. Kwok, we're going to | |\n| 19· ·shift to the substantive part of your deposition to | | |\n| | 20· ·which I understand it is your intention to plead the | |\n| 21· ·Fifth. | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·I ask that you just let me finish asking | |\n| 23· ·my question and allow the translator to fully | | |\n| 24· ·translate it before you make any such assertion, | | |\n| 25· ·okay? | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 15 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the Lady May | |\n| | ·4· ·was purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong | |\n| | ·5· ·International Funds Investments Limited, which I | |\n| | ·6· ·will also refer to as \"HK International,\" you have | |\n| | ·7· ·been the beneficial owner of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I assert the Fifth. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| | 10· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, | |\n| | 11· ·you, the debtor, have been the equitable owner of | |\n| | 12· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·I plead the Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| | 15· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, | |\n| | 16· ·you have controlled the Lady May? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| | 19· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong | |\n| | 20· ·International, you have been the legal owner of the | |\n| | 21· ·Lady May? | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, what is the | |\n| | 23· · · · question?· Is that the question whether I am? | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes. | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 16 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is my statement correct? | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need Mei Guo's | |\n| ·6· ·permission to board the Lady May, correct? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | |\n| | ·9· ·permission to use the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | |\n| 12· ·permission to direct the crew of the Lady May to | | |\n| 13· ·navigate the Lady May from location to location, | | |\n| 14· ·correct? | | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| 17· ·establishment of Hong Kong International Funds | | |\n| 18· ·Investment Limited, you have been its beneficial | | |\n| 19· ·owner, correct? | | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| 22· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its | | |\n| 23· ·equitable owner, correct? | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-48 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 18\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok\n\n·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.\n\n·7· ·legal owner, correct?\n\n·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.\n\n15· · · · a legal term.\n\n19· ·BY MR. LUFT:\n\n23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.\n\n·2· ·establishment of HK International, you have\n\n·3· ·controlled HK International, correct?\n\n·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the\n\n·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the\n\n11· ·has been your alter ego, correct?\n\n13· · · · please explain \"alter ego\"?\n\n17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.\n\n18· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· The Fifth.\n\n·6· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its\n\n10· ·establishment of HK International, it has been -- it\n\n12· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Counsel, could you\n\n14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just translate the term.· It's\n\n20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an entity\n\n21· ·called \"HK International Funds Investment USA\n\n24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the\n\n25· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its\n\n22· ·Limited,\" or I may refer to it as \"HK USA,\" correct?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n16· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I've got the legal term.\n\n| | of 105 |\n|--|--------|\n| | |\n\n| ·2· ·beneficial owner, correct?
·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the
·5· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its equitable
·6· ·owner, correct?
·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the
·9· ·establishment of HK USA, you have controlled it,
10· ·correct?
11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the
13· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its legal
14· ·owner, correct?
15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the
17· ·establishment of HK USA, it has been your alter ego,
18· ·correct?
19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know an individual named
21· ·Natasha Qu, correct?
22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer of HK International
24· ·to Natasha Qu was done to hide your assets from your
25· ·creditors, correct? | | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 18 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|------------------------------------|---------|\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 19 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Natasha Qu to | |\n| ·4· ·execute a declaration of trust, governing your | |\n| ·5· ·shares in Hong Kong International on or about | |\n| ·6· ·October 10, 2014, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· At this point, I'd ask the | |\n| ·9· · · · court reporter to mark as Kwok PJR Deposition | |\n| 10· · · · Exhibit 1, a copy of the declaration of trust | |\n| 11· · · · made on the 10th day of October 2014, as well | |\n| 12· · · · as the certified translation we have of it. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·I'll ask my colleague, Mr. Farmer, to post | |\n| 14· · · · that if possible. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 1 was received and | |\n| 16· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, take a minute to review the | |\n| 19· ·Exhibit 1. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, may be the formatting of | |\n| 21· · · · the screen.· I don't see Bates numbers on | |\n| 22· · · · there. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·Have these been produced in connection | |\n| 24· · · · with the PJR proceeding? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· There is no Bates number.· We | |\n\nof 105\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 20 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · have offered to produce it to you. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm sorry.· I'm not sure what | |\n| ·4· · · · you're referring to. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm done reading it. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is this a true and correct copy | |\n| ·8· ·of the Declaration of Trust you entered into with | |\n| ·9· ·Natasha Kwok [sic] on October 10 -- Natasha Qu, on | |\n| 10· ·October 10, 2014, relating to your shares of Hong | |\n| 11· ·Kong International? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form of the | |\n| 13· · · · question. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the signed copy of Exhibit 1, | |\n| 17· ·the Declaration of Trust, dated October 10, 2014, | |\n| 18· ·was given to your counsel Stevenson, Wong & Co. for | |\n| 19· ·them to retain on your behalf, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the terms of the | |\n| 22· ·Declaration of Trust, even after Hong Kong | |\n| 23· ·International was transferred by you to Natasha Qu, | |\n| 24· ·you still retained control and beneficial ownership | |\n| 25· ·of Hong Kong International and its assets, including | |\n| | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | Case 22-50073
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of 105 | Page 22 |\n|---------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| | ·2· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased on | |\n| | ·7· ·your behalf, correct? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased for | |\n| | 10· ·you to control and beneficially own, correct? | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all of the funds used to | |\n| | 13· ·purchase the Lady May were funds you owned and | |\n| | 14· ·controlled, correct? | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you funded the purchase of the | |\n| | 17· ·Lady May on February 23, 2015, with funds you | |\n| | 18· ·exclusively controlled to an entity named Bravo | |\n| | 19· ·Luck, correct? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Bravo Luck is an entity that you | |\n| | 22· ·at all times have had exclusive control over, | |\n| 23· ·correct? | | |\n\n- 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.\n- 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times, you have had\n\n| of 105 | |\n|--------|--|\n| | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 22 |\n|-------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·exclusive control over the assets of Bravo Luck, | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the funds used to | |\n| | ·6· ·purchase the Lady May belonged to your son, Mileson | |\n| ·7· ·Kwok, correct? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had the Lady May purchased | |\n| | 10· ·by Hong Kong International for your own use, | |\n| 11· ·correct? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | |\n| | 14· ·International to purchase the Lady May with your own | |\n| | 15· ·assets to attempt to obscure your ownership of the | |\n| 16· ·Lady May, correct? | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, when I refer to Bravo Luck, | |\n| | 19· ·you understand I'm referring to Bravo Luck Limited, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | |\n| | 23· ·International to purchase the Lady May with funds | |\n| 24· ·you owned to shield the Lady May from your | | |\n| | 25· ·creditors, correct? | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 23 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Ms. Qu to transfer | |\n| ·4· ·her purported ownership in Hong Kong International | |\n| ·5· ·to Mei Guo for the consideration of one Hong Kong | |\n| ·6· ·dollar on June 27, 2017, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on | |\n| ·9· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of | |\n| 10· ·HK International to Mei Guo for the consideration of | |\n| 11· ·one Hong Kong dollar in an attempt to obscure your | |\n| 12· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on | |\n| 15· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK | |\n| 16· ·International to Mei Guo for the consideration of | |\n| 17· ·one Hong Kong dollar to try to shield the Lady May | |\n| 18· ·from your creditors, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| 23· ·in control of and the beneficial owner | |\n| 24· ·of HK International, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 24 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Let me just break that up, because there | |\n| ·5· ·was an objection. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·The transfer on June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's | |\n| ·7· ·purported ownership of HK International to Mei Guo | |\n| ·8· ·did not change the fact that you remained in control | |\n| ·9· ·of HK International following that transfer, | |\n| 10· ·correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| 13· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| 14· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| 15· ·the beneficial owner of Hong Kong International | |\n| 16· ·after that transfer, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| 23· ·in control of the Lady May both before and after the | |\n| 24· ·transfer, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 25 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| ·5· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| ·6· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| ·7· ·the beneficial owner of the Lady May both before and | |\n| ·8· ·after the transfer, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you -- and by that, I mean | |\n| 13· ·yourself or through your agents -- directed the | |\n| 14· ·formation of HK International Funds Investments USA | |\n| 15· ·Limited on September 11, 2018, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to | |\n| 18· ·HK USA in an attempt to obscure your ownership of | |\n| 19· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to | |\n| 24· ·HK USA at your direction in an attempt to shield it | |\n| 25· ·from your creditor, correct? | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 26 |\n|---------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have used the entities | |\n| | ·4· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital to pay the expenses | |\n| | ·5· ·of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the owner of | |\n| | 10· ·Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets owned by Golden | |\n| | 15· ·Spring belong to you, correct? | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Golden Springs | |\n| 20· ·Limited, correct? | | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have control of all assets | |\n| 23· ·of Golden Spring, correct? | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | Page 27 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring New York Limited, | |\n| | ·3· ·which I've been referring to as \"Golden Spring,\" | |\n| | ·4· ·were paid with funds you control, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| | ·7· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid with funds | |\n| ·8· ·you owned, correct? | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 13· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid at your | | |\n| 14· ·direction, correct? | | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by | |\n| 17· ·Golden Spring for the Lady May were paid for with | | |\n| | 18· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok, correct? | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the equitable owner of | |\n| 23· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | |\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 28 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the equitable owner of | |\n| | ·5· ·Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | |\n| | ·8· ·Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| | 11· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 14· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with | | |\n| 15· ·assets you controlled, correct? | | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 18· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with | | |\n| 19· ·assets that you owned, correct? | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 24· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid at your | | |\n| | 25· ·direction, correct? | |\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 29 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by | |\n| | ·4· ·Lamp Capital related to the Lady May were paid with | |\n| | ·5· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok? | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the assets of | |\n| | 10· ·Lamp Capital belong to Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Mileson Kwok, | |\n| | 11· ·correct? | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| | 16· ·the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no | |\n| | 19· ·control over the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no | |\n| | 22· ·control over the assets of Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 30 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Yvette Wang to take | |\n| ·4· ·actions on your behalf related to the Lady May and | |\n| ·5· ·HK USA and HK International, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Max Krasner to take | |\n| 10· ·actions related to the Lady May, HK International, | |\n| 11· ·and HK USA on your behalf, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 16· ·relating to the Lady May are taken at your | |\n| 17· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 22· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, | |\n| 23· ·correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 31 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| ·4· ·that relate to the Lady May are taken at your | |\n| ·5· ·direction, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| ·8· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, | |\n| ·9· ·correct? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 14· ·relating to HK International are taken at your | |\n| 15· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 18· ·relating to HK USA are taken at your direction, | |\n| 19· ·correct? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 24· ·relating to HK International are taken on your | |\n| 25· ·behalf, correct? | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 32 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| ·6· ·relating to HK USA are taken on your behalf, | |\n| ·7· ·correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| 12· ·as related to HK International are taken at your | |\n| 13· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| 18· ·as related to HK USA are taken at your direction, | |\n| 19· ·correct? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| 24· ·as related to HK International are taken on your | |\n| 25· ·behalf, correct? | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 33 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| ·6· ·as related to HK USA are taken on your behalf, | |\n| ·7· ·correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Yvette Wang is currently your | |\n| 12· ·employee, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang has been your employee | |\n| 15· ·since at least 2015 and up through the present, | |\n| 16· ·correct? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang, since at least 2015 | |\n| 19· ·through the present, has acted as your agent, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang currently acts as your | |\n| 23· ·agent, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know the current location of | |\n| | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 34 |\n|-----------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·Ms. Wang, correct? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at what location does Ms. Wang | |\n| | ·5· ·currently reside? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner is currently your | |\n| | ·8· ·employee, correct? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times Mr. Krasner has had | |\n| | 11· ·any involvement with the Lady May, he has been your | |\n| 12· ·employee, correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times that you've had | |\n| | 15· ·involvement with Mr. Krasner, he has acted as your | |\n| | 16· ·agent, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner currently acts as | |\n| 19· ·your agent, correct? | | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have Mr. Krasner's current | |\n| | 22· ·contact information, including his address and his | |\n| 23· ·phone number, correct? | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 35 |\n|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·home address? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current | |\n| ·5· ·phone number? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch | |\n| | ·8· ·with Ms. Yvette Wang, correct? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared that | |\n| | 11· ·information with the trustee, correct? | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the Interpreter ask the | |\n| | 14· · · · witness if he needs a break. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch | |\n| | 17· ·with Mr. Krasner, correct? | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, could you not hear what | |\n| | 19· · · · I just placed on the record. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I did not hear you, Aaron. | |\n| 21· · · · Sorry. | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Oh, I'm sorry.· I had asked | |\n| | 23· · · · if the Interpreter could ask the witness if he | |\n| | 24· · · · needs a break. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Oh, okay. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 36 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·(Complies.) | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· It's quite tiring. I | |\n| ·4· · · · need a break. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Aaron, I have like two | |\n| ·6· · · · more questions just to finish this.· Could we | |\n| ·7· · · · just do that, and then we'll take a break? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know the contact | |\n| 11· ·information, including address and phone number, of | |\n| 12· ·Mr. Krasner currently, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared this | |\n| 15· ·information with the trustee, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, if you want to take a | |\n| 18· · · · break now, that's fine.· How long would you | |\n| 19· · · · like? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· How long do you want?· Five, | |\n| 21· · · · ten minutes? | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ten minutes. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Ten minutes? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 37 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · record at 11:47 a.m. | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| | ·5· · · · record at 12:05 p.m. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate authority with | |\n| | ·8· ·respect to the movements of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate control over | |\n| | 11· ·where the crew of the Lady May sails the yacht, | |\n| 12· ·correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the | |\n| | 15· ·Lady May to be sailed from New York to Florida in | |\n| 16· ·2020, correct? | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from | |\n| | 19· ·New York to Florida in the fall of 2020 because you | |\n| | 20· ·directed that it be done so, correct? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the | |\n| | 23· ·Lady May to be sailed from Florida to the Bahamas in | |\n| | 24· ·the fall of 2020, correct? | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n\n| | | Page 38 |\n|------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from | |\n| | ·3· ·Florida to the Bahamas in the fall of 2020 because | |\n| | ·4· ·you instructed the crew for it to do so, correct? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you instructed the Lady May to | |\n| | ·7· ·be sailed to Europe in 2021, correct? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason the Lady May was | |\n| | 10· ·sailed to Europe in 2021 was because you gave | |\n| | 11· ·instructions for that to happen, correct? | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave directions for the | |\n| | 16· ·Lady May to be sailed to Europe to keep the Lady May | |\n| | 17· ·out of the hands of your creditors, correct? | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May remained in Europe | |\n| | 20· ·until you authorized it to return to the | |\n| 21· ·United States, correct? | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the only person who had | |\n| | 24· ·the authority to order the Lady May to return to the | |\n| | 25· ·United States, correct? | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 39 | |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when you directed the Lady May | | |\n| ·4· ·to sail to Europe in 2021, you and your daughter, | | |\n| ·5· ·Mei Guo, were aware that doing so would violate | | |\n| | | |\n| ·6· ·Ostrager's order and cause you to incur contempt
·7· ·fees, correct? | | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was returned to | | |\n| 12· ·Connecticut waters in 2022 only because you directed | | |\n| 13· ·that to happen, correct? | | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an | | |\n| 16· ·individual named William Je? | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, William Je is a close family | | |\n| 19· ·friend, correct? | | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is referred to by your | | |\n| 22· ·daughter as \"Uncle William,\" correct? | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts as an agent, | | |\n| 25· ·correct? | | |\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 40 |\n|--|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is currently acting as | |\n| | ·4· ·your agent in your business dealings, correct? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in April of 2022, Mr. Je -- any | |\n| | ·7· ·actions Mr. Je took in relation to the Lady May were | |\n| | ·8· ·as your agent, correct? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions Mr. Je takes in | |\n| | 11· ·connection with business dealings are taken at your | |\n| | 12· ·direction, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, with regard to any business | |\n| | 17· ·dealings involving you and Mr. Je, Mr. Je is under | |\n| | 18· ·your control, correct? | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts at your direction to | |\n| | 21· ·generate funds for you through the use of the | |\n| | 22· ·Himalaya Farms, correct? | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets purportedly under the | |\n| | 25· ·control of William Je are actually assets under your | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 41 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·control, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any entities purportedly under | |\n| ·7· ·the control of William Je are actually entities | |\n| ·8· ·under your control, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement dated | |\n| 13· ·April 19, 2022, between Himalaya International | |\n| 14· ·Financial Group Limited as lender and HK USA as | |\n| 15· ·borrower was arranged at your request, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Himalaya | |\n| 18· ·International Financial Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I want to speak with my | |\n| 20· · · · attorney now. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Take five. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 25· · · · record at 12:17 p.m. | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 42 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| ·4· · · · record at 12:24 p.m. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | |\n| ·7· ·Himalaya International Financial Group Limited, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets of Himalaya | |\n| 11· ·International Financial Group Limited are under your | |\n| 12· ·control, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the \\$37 million of funds | |\n| 15· ·Himalaya International Financial Group loaned to | |\n| 16· ·HK USA were funds that you owned and controlled, | |\n| 17· ·correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control the \\$37 million that | |\n| 20· ·was put in escrow by HK USA in connection with this | |\n| 21· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any repayment by HK USA of the | |\n| 24· ·principal \\$37 million on account of the purported | |\n| 25· ·\\$37 million loan from Himalaya International | |\n| | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 43 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·Financial Group Limited will be made to entities |\n| ·3· ·that you control, correct? |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any payment of interest by |\n| ·8· ·HK USA on account of the purported \\$37 million loan |\n| ·9· ·from Himalaya International Financial Group Limited |\n| 10· ·will be paid to an entity that you control, correct? |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the February 7, 2022, |\n| 15· ·evidentiary hearing before Justice Ostrager of the |\n| 16· ·Supreme Court of the State of New York, your |\n| 17· ·interest was for the Court to find HK USA to be the |\n| 18· ·beneficial owner and to have control of the |\n| 19· ·Lady May, correct? |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I didn't catch.· Someone |\n| 22· · · · mentioned something after the question. |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we have the question |\n| 24· · · · read back. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Could we get it translated, and |\n\nof 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 44 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · then it can be read back. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· (Complies.) | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we hear the question | |\n| ·5· · · · read back before? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| ·7· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | |\n| 12· ·appeared at the February 7, 2022, evidentiary | |\n| 13· ·hearing, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | |\n| 16· ·helped present your defense at the February 7, 2022, | |\n| 17· ·hearing, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | |\n| 22· ·worked with your counsel at the February 7, 2022, | |\n| 23· ·hearing to prepare for and present your case, | |\n| 24· ·correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 45 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed your counsel for | |\n| ·5· ·the February 7, 2022, evidentiary hearing to enter | |\n| ·6· ·into a common interest agreement with HK USA and | |\n| ·7· ·Mei Guo in connection with that hearing, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to direct the | |\n| ·9· · · · witness not to answer based on the | |\n| 10· · · · attorney-client privilege. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, you know that is | |\n| 12· · · · pre-petition, and thus, any common interest | |\n| 13· · · · belongs to the trustee, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Can the reporter read the | |\n| 15· · · · question, please -- read back the question. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| 17· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA and Mei Guo shared | |\n| 22· ·identical interests to you in the court finding | |\n| 23· ·HK USA was the beneficial owner and had control over | |\n| 24· ·the Lady May for the February 7, 2022, evidentiary | |\n| 25· ·hearing before Justice Ostrager, correct? | |\n\n| of 105 | |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 46 |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, schedules you had filed in | |\n| ·6· ·connection with your Chapter 11 filing should have | |\n| ·7· ·included your beneficial ownership of the Lady May | |\n| ·8· ·as an asset of your estate, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the schedules you filed in | |\n| 13· ·connection with the Chapter 11 filing should have | |\n| 14· ·included your beneficial ownership of HK USA as an | |\n| 15· ·asset of the estate, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets of Golden Spring and | |\n| 20· ·Lamp Capital that have been used to pay the | |\n| 21· ·Lady May's expenses, including any legal fees | |\n| 22· ·related to it, should have been declared as assets | |\n| 23· ·of the estate on your schedules for your Chapter 11 | |\n| 24· ·filing, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 47 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Golden Spring | |\n| | ·5· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? | | |\n| | | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Lamp Capital | |\n| | ·8· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? | | |\n| | | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | 11· ·your son Mileson Kwok are really assets of your | | |\n| | 12· ·estate, correct? | | |\n| | | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | 15· ·your daughter Mei Guo are really assets of your | | |\n| | 16· ·estate, correct? | | |\n| | | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | 21· ·your wife Hing Chi Ngok are actually assets of your | | |\n| | 22· ·estate, correct? | | |\n| | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25 | | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 48 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have directed that numerous | |\n| ·4· ·offshore companies, whether located in the BVI, Hong | |\n| ·5· ·Kong, and elsewhere, be set up for purposes of | |\n| ·6· ·holding your assets, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have had these offshore | |\n| ·9· ·companies set up in the name of your children, your | |\n| 10· ·wife, and your business associates, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, regardless of whether any of | |\n| 13· ·these entities are listed in the name of your wife, | |\n| 14· ·your daughter, your son, Ms. Wang, Mr. Krasner, or | |\n| 15· ·any of your other business associates, in fact, you | |\n| 16· ·own and control each of these offshore entities, | |\n| 17· ·correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these | |\n| 22· ·offshore entities set up was to obscure your | |\n| 23· ·ownership of the assets that they held, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 49 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these | | |\n| ·4· ·offshore entities set up and placed assets in them | | |\n| ·5· ·is to attempt to hide your assets from your | | |\n| ·6· ·creditors, correct? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your | | |\n| ·9· ·daughter Mei Guo is a member, director, or principal | | |\n| 10· ·are actually beneficially owned and controlled by | | |\n| 11· ·you, correct? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA, HK International, | | |\n| 16· ·Eastern Profit Corporation Limited, Whitecroft Shore | | |\n| 17· ·Limited, Anton Development Limited, Anton | | |\n| 18· ·Development USA Limited LLC, GM27 LLC, Loss Draft | | |\n| 19· ·LLC, Gypsy May Productions LLC, Gypsy May Food | | |\n| 20· ·Service LLC, Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC, Hudson | | |\n| 21· ·Diamond New York LLC, Allied Capital Global Limited, | | |\n| 22· ·Creative Apex Investment Limited, Crystal Breeze | | |\n| 23· ·Investments Limited, Elite Well Global Limited, | | |\n| 24· ·Globalist International Limited, Infinite Increased | | |\n| 25· ·Limited, Infinium Developments Limited, Noble Fame | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 50 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Global Limited, Rosy Acme Ventures Limited, Leading | |\n| ·3· ·Shine New York Limited, and Leading Shine Limited | |\n| ·4· ·are all assets held in the name of your daughter but | |\n| ·5· ·that you actually own and control, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 10· ·Mei Guo were purchased with funds exclusively owned | |\n| 11· ·and controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the reporter read that | |\n| 13· · · · back before the witness answers. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| 15· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 19· ·Mei Guo are exclusively owned and controlled by you, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | |\n| 25· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 51 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | ·2· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, | |\n| | ·3· ·were provided by Mei Guo and any entity she owns or | |\n| | ·4· ·controls? | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I apologize.· Could we have | |\n| | ·6· · · · that one read back as well.· I'm sorry. | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| | ·8· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | |\n| | 13· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | |\n| | 14· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, | |\n| | 15· ·were provided by any family members of yours | |\n| | 16· ·residing in China, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has no source of income | |\n| | 21· ·other than from entities that you own and control, | |\n| | 22· ·correct? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 52 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mei Guo receives from | |\n| ·4· ·any entity you own and control are gifts from you to | |\n| ·5· ·her, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mei Guo and any | |\n| 10· ·entities in her name received from any entity you | |\n| 11· ·own and control remain funds under your control even | |\n| 12· ·after being transferred to Ms. Guo, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has never been the CEO | |\n| 15· ·of Pangu Plaza, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mileson Kwok has no source of | |\n| 20· ·income other from entities -- other than from | |\n| 21· ·entities that you own and control, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mileson Kwok and | |\n| 24· ·any entities in his name received from any entity | |\n| 25· ·you own and control remain funds under your control | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 53 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | |\n| ·2· ·even after being transferred to Mileson Kwok, | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mileson Kwok receives | |\n| ·8· ·from any entity you own and control are gifts from | |\n| ·9· ·you, correct? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | |\n| 14· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | |\n| 15· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, | |\n| 16· ·were provided by Mileson Kwok and any entity he owns | |\n| 17· ·and controls? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your son | |\n| 22· ·Mileson Kwok is named as a member, director or | |\n| 23· ·principal are actually beneficially owned and | |\n| 24· ·controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 54 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Golden Spring New York Limited, | |\n| ·5· ·Lamp Capital LLC, Bravo Luck Limited, Infinity | |\n| ·6· ·Treasury Management, Inc., Saraca Media Group, Inc., | |\n| ·7· ·K Legacy Limited, Well Origin Limited, ACA Hong Kong | |\n| ·8· ·Investment Holdings Group Limited, and | |\n| ·9· ·Powerwell Flowable Limited are all entities held in | |\n| 10· ·the name of your son Miles Kwok, but, in fact, are | |\n| 11· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the entity known as Kingdom Rich | |\n| 16· ·Limited is owned and controlled by you, not your | |\n| 17· ·son, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 20· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | |\n| 21· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | |\n\nof 105\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·your son Mileson Kwok are, in fact, owned and | |\n| ·3· ·controlled by you, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this includes the residence at | |\n| ·8· ·5 Princess Gate, London, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control your son | |\n| 11· ·Mileson Kwok's collection of cars, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, we're getting pretty far | |\n| 14· · · · afield of the issues in this adversary | |\n| 15· · · · proceeding.· I've been giving quite a bit of | |\n| 16· · · · leeway, but I am going to have to start | |\n| 17· · · · directing the witness not to answer, and we'll | |\n| 18· · · · move for a protective order if we have to. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·I don't believe there's any allegations | |\n| 20· · · · concerning cars in the counterclaims that we're | |\n| 21· · · · here discussing today. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree, I think.· But I | |\n| 23· · · · have a couple of wrap-up questions right here, | |\n| 24· · · · and then I think we'll -- my next set of | |\n| 25· · · · questions, I think you'll see -- I don't think | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 56 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · there will be any dispute between us as to | |\n| ·3· · · · their relevance. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | |\n| ·6· ·your son Mileson Kwok are owned or controlled by any | |\n| ·7· ·of your -- his family members other than you, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | |\n| 13· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | |\n| 14· ·owned or controlled by any of its family members | |\n| 15· ·other than you, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on October 3, 2006, you | |\n| 20· ·incorporated a Hong Kong entity named Hong Kong | |\n| 21· ·International Funds Limited, which we've been | |\n| 22· ·referring to as HK International, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time, all assets of Hong | |\n| 25· ·Kong International belonged to you, correct? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 57 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were Hong Kong | |\n| ·6· ·International's sole shareholder and director up to | |\n| ·7· ·and through October 10, 2014, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in October 2014, Natasha Qu, | |\n| 10· ·also known as Qu Guo Jiao was your financial | |\n| 11· ·manager, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Qu handled your financial affairs | |\n| 14· ·at that time, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time Ms. Qu was your | |\n| 17· ·employee and acted as your agent on all matters | |\n| 18· ·relating to your finances, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Declaration of Trust that | |\n| 23· ·was entered into between you and Ms. Qu, which has | |\n| 24· ·been marked as Exhibit 1, identified Ms. Qu as the | |\n| 25· ·trustee and you as the beneficiary, correct? | |\n| | |\n\n| | of 105 | |\n|--|--------|--|\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 58 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that Declaration of Trust which | |\n| ·6· ·has been marked as Exhibit 1, which I'll refer to as | |\n| ·7· ·\"HK International Declaration of Trust,\" was entered | |\n| ·8· ·into with Ms. Qu -- sorry -- that was entered into | |\n| ·9· ·with Ms. Qu, authorized and requested Ms. Qu to hold | |\n| 10· ·your main shares in Hong Kong International, | |\n| 11· ·correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to strike that | |\n| 13· · · · question, because I don't think it came across | |\n| 14· · · · clearly. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the Hong Kong | |\n| 17· ·International Declaration of Trust you entered into | |\n| 18· ·with Ms. Qu, you authorized and requested Ms. Qu to | |\n| 19· ·hold in your name shares in Hong Kong International, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Hong Kong International | |\n| 23· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with | |\n| 24· ·Ms. Qu provides that the shares you transferred to | |\n| 25· ·Ms. Qu do not belong to Ms. Qu, but to you, as the | |\n\n| Page 59 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·beneficiary under the agreement, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the HK International Declaration |\n| ·7· ·of Trust that you entered into with Ms. Qu provides |\n| ·8· ·that Ms. Qu would hold the shares in Hong Kong |\n| ·9· ·International that you transferred to her as nominee |\n| 10· ·and in trust for you, correct? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the HK International |\n| 13· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with |\n| 14· ·Ms. Qu, Ms. Qu was to exercise the rights in |\n| 15· ·connection with the HK International shares that you |\n| 16· ·transferred to her solely at your direction, |\n| 17· ·correct? |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, even after October 10, 2014, you |\n| 22· ·continued to beneficially own HK International |\n| 23· ·pursuant to the undisclosed HK International |\n| 24· ·Declaration of Trust, correct? |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.· Also, |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 60 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · asked and answered. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Asked and answered.· Okay. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, after October 10, 2014, you | |\n| ·7· ·continued to control HK International, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection.· Asked and | |\n| ·9· · · · answered. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I'm quite confused.· You're asking the | |\n| 11· ·same questions.· Every time, the same questions | |\n| 12· ·again and again. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I don't believe I am.· Your | |\n| 15· ·counsel is free to raise an asked-and-answered | |\n| 16· ·objection, even though it is not an appropriate | |\n| 17· ·objection at a deposition.· With that said, he's | |\n| 18· ·free to raise it, but I still will need you to | |\n| 19· ·answer the question. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015, | |\n| 22· ·HK International purchased the Lady May for | |\n| 23· ·EUR 28 million from Apsley Yacht Limited at your | |\n| 24· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 61 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in February 2015, you | |\n| ·5· ·exclusively beneficially owned and controlled | |\n| ·6· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, today you still beneficially own | |\n| 11· ·and control Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015, Bravo Luck | |\n| 14· ·Limited transferred, at your direction, funds from a | |\n| 15· ·Bravo Luck bank account at UBS that you exclusively | |\n| 16· ·control, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that the court | |\n| 20· · · · reporter mark as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 2, | |\n| 21· · · · document bearing the Bates stamp UBS00137 | |\n| 22· · · · through 156. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·Will, that's tab 190, if you could put it | |\n| 24· · · · up. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 2 was received and | |\n\n| | of 105 |\n|--|--------|\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 62 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could you make that larger? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a 2015 UBS bank | |\n| ·9· ·statement for Bravo Luck showing funds that you | |\n| 10· ·beneficially owned and controlled in that account, | |\n| 11· ·correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the funds held by -- in that | |\n| 14· ·Bravo Luck account on your behalf at UBS came from | |\n| 15· ·Eastern Profit Corporation in the amount of | |\n| 16· ·370 million and Hong Kong International in the | |\n| 17· ·amount of 150 million, both entities that you owned | |\n| 18· ·and controlled, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask the court reporter to | |\n| 22· · · · mark, as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 3, a | |\n| 23· · · · document Bates-stamped UBS02746. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 3 was received and | |\n| 25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 63 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·This shows the UBS wire transfer of | |\n| ·4· ·25 million for purposes of purchasing the Lady May? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Is that a question?· I didn't | |\n| ·6· · · · know if you were talking. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just setting it up.· I will | |\n| ·8· · · · ask him a question once he can see it, Aaron. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yeah, yeah.· That's -- I just | |\n| 10· · · · wanted clarification.· Thank you. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine.· I didn't want to ask him | |\n| 12· · · · the question before he could see the document. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yep. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·Could you make that a bit bigger, please. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Thank you. | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, first of all, if we scroll down, | |\n| 18· ·do you recognize the signature on the document? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that's your signature, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a UBS wire transfer | |\n| 23· ·document showing the transfer of \\$25 million of | |\n| 24· ·funds from the UBS bank account we just saw a | |\n| 25· ·statement for in Exhibit 2 that were used for | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 64 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·purchases of acquiring the Lady May for you, | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, has this Exhibit 2 been | |\n| ·6· · · · produced to the parties in this adversary | |\n| ·7· · · · proceeding? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll have to get back to you on | |\n| ·9· · · · that. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay.· Thank you. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had exclusive control over | |\n| 13· ·the UBS bank account that we have been discussing, | |\n| 14· ·correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok had no | |\n| 17· ·involvement in any transaction relating to | |\n| 18· ·HK International's acquisition of the Lady May, | |\n| 19· ·correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, it is 1:22.· Do you guys | |\n| 22· · · · want to take a lunch break?· Do you want to | |\n| 23· · · · keep going? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·I'm also conscious of the court reporter | |\n| 25· · · · and the videographer -- and the translator. | |\n| | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 65 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·Sorry, Jingyi. | |\n| | ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· What's your over/under on | |\n| | ·4· ·what you've got left for the day? | |\n| | ·5· · · · (A discussion was held off the record.) | |\n| | ·6· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| | ·7· ·record at 1:22 p.m. | |\n| | ·8· · · · (At 1:22 p.m. a luncheon recess was | |\n| | ·9· ·taken.) | |\n| | 10· · · · (At 2:00 p.m. the deposition resumes.) | |\n| 11 | | |\n| 12 | | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 16 | | |\n| 17 | | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 66 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·************************************************ | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · A F T E R N O O N· ·S E S S I O N | |\n| | ·4· ·************************************************ | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| ·6· · · · record at 2:00 p.m. | | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Good afternoon, Mr. Kwok. | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·Good afternoon. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with the | |\n| 11· ·proposed Chapter 11 plan that was submitted in your | | |\n| 12· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that under the plan | |\n| 15· ·proposed and put forth by your counsel at | | |\n| | 16· ·Brown Rudnick, there was a reference to there being | |\n| 17· ·a quote-unquote \"boat contribution,\" correct? | | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, under the plan for the boat | |\n| 20· ·contribution, that provided for the Lady May to be | | |\n| 21· ·contributed to a creditor trust, correct? | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the time the Chapter 11 plan | |\n| | 24· ·was proposed, including the boat contribution, you | |\n| | 25· ·were the beneficial owner and controlled the | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 67 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | |\n| ·2· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the boat contribution under the | |\n| ·5· ·proposed plan was not actually a contribution to be | |\n| ·6· ·made by HK USA because your estate already | |\n| ·7· ·beneficially owned and controlled the Lady May, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that HK USA filed | |\n| 13· ·an adversary proceeding against you claiming | |\n| 14· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that that adversary | |\n| 17· ·proceeding was filed by HK USA so that the Lady May | |\n| 18· ·would be treated as a contribution by HK USA and | |\n| 19· ·your daughter Mei Guo for purposes of justifying | |\n| 20· ·them receiving a release under the plan, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the plan to file the adversary | |\n| 25· ·proceeding simultaneous with the boat contribution | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-48 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 69\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 68 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·under the plan was a joint plan arrived at by your | |\n| ·3· ·counsel as well as counsel for HK USA, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were represented by a man | |\n| ·6· ·named Aaron Mitchell for purposes of these | |\n| ·7· ·proceedings, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Mitchell was simultaneously serving as | |\n| 10· ·counsel to HK USA and Mei Guo, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·For purposes of representing you for your | |\n| 15· ·Chapter 11 proceeding and HK USA and Mei Guo in | |\n| 16· ·connection with the Chapter 11 proceeding in the | |\n| 17· ·adversary action, you believe there to be no | |\n| 18· ·conflict of interest for Mr. Mitchell because you | |\n| 19· ·beneficially owned and controlled both your estate | |\n| 20· ·and HK USA and the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that Kwok | |\n| 23· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 4 -- let me strike that. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·I'm going to ask that ECF299 -- which is | |\n| 25· · · · the stipulated order compelling | |\n| | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Parie 69 | |\n|----------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 69 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · HK International Funds Investments (USA) | | |\n| ·3· · · · Limited, LLC to transport and deliver that | | |\n| ·4· · · · Certain Yacht, the \"Lady May\" -- be marked as | | |\n| ·5· · · · Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 4, and that it | | |\n| ·6· · · · be shown to the witness. | | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 4 was received and | | |\n| ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, through your counsel, you've | |\n| 11· ·agreed to be bound by this order, correct? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't understand the English. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·My question is did you direct your counsel | |\n| 14· ·to agree that you'd be bound by this stipulated | | |\n| 15· ·order which has been marked as Exhibit 4? | | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed counsel for HK USA | |\n| 18· ·to agree to be bound by this agreement, correct? | | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, as the beneficial owner and the | |\n| 21· ·person in control of HK USA, you instructed your | | |\n| 22· ·daughter to agree to be bound by this agreement, | | |\n| 23· ·correct? | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you agreed for William Je to | |\n\nof 105\n\n| ·2· ·send \\$37 million to be posted as a bond on April 13,
·3· ·2022, correct?
·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between
·6· ·Mr. Je's -- let me strike that.
·7· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between
·8· ·Himalaya Capital and HK USA, both entities that you
·9· ·own and control, was agreed to on April 19, 2022,
10· ·correct?
11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
13· ·BY MR. LUFT:
14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed both HK USA and
15· ·Himalaya Capital to enter into the \\$37 million loan
16· ·agreement, correct?
17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, sorry.· I have been referring to
19· ·them as \"Himalaya International Capital.\"· What I
20· ·meant was Himalaya International Financial Group
21· ·Limited.
22· · · · · · ·Does that correction change any of your
23· ·answers?
24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection.
25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 70 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------|---------|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 71 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, Mr. Kwok, you owned and | |\n| ·4· ·controlled Himalaya International Financial Group in | |\n| ·5· ·April 2022, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Asked and answered. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the terms set out in Exhibit 4, | |\n| 10· ·which is the stipulated order compelling | |\n| 11· ·HK International Funds Investments to transport and | |\n| 12· ·deliver the Lady May, were irrelevant to your | |\n| 13· ·decision to have Himalaya International Financial | |\n| 14· ·Group loan \\$37 million to HK USA, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you would have had -- sorry. | |\n| 19· ·Let me strike that. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA entered into the | |\n| 21· ·\\$37 million loan with Himalaya International | |\n| 22· ·Financial Group Limited at your direction regardless | |\n| 23· ·of any terms that were to be agreed to regarding the | |\n| 24· ·stipulated order compelling the return of the | |\n| 25· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 72 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could I have that question | |\n| ·4· · · · read back? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I think I had -- | |\n| ·6· · · · perhaps I had something bad for lunch.· I'm | |\n| ·7· · · · feeling uncomfortable and I need to use the | |\n| ·8· · · · bathroom and it might take a while. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, that's fine.· Take | |\n| 10· · · · care of whatever needs that you have and I will | |\n| 11· · · · be here when you get back. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 13· · · · record at 2:18 p.m. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| 16· · · · record at 2:27 p.m. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, prior to Himalaya International | |\n| 19· ·Financial Group Limited, the party -- the entity | |\n| 20· ·that was going to loan HK USA the \\$37 million was | |\n| 21· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the exclusive beneficial | |\n| 24· ·owner of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n\n| Page 73 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| ·3· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner of | |\n| ·6· ·all assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control | |\n| ·9· ·over the assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, | | |\n| 10· ·correct? | | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| 13· ·Saraca Media Group Limited, correct? | | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial | |\n| | 16· ·ownership of Saraca Media Group, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial -- | |\n| 18· ·you're the exclusive beneficial owner of | | |\n| 19· ·Saraca Media Group, correct? | | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had \\$37 million | |\n| 22· ·sent over to post as a bond was so that you could | | |\n| 23· ·stay out of jail, correct? | | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 74 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, because you're motivated by | | |\n| ·4· ·staying out of jail, you would have had the | | |\n| ·5· ·\\$37 million sent over to post as a bond regardless | | |\n| ·6· ·of any terms associated with its return or how it | | |\n| ·7· ·would be handled once the Lady May arrived, correct? | | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I want to show you | | |\n| 11· · · · what I'll mark as an exhibit, a video from Vice | | |\n| 12· · · · that I'll ask my colleague to play.· It will be | | |\n| 13· · · · marked as Exhibit 5. | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 5 was received and | | |\n| 15· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Is there a question? | | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm sorry, Mr. Kwok, there was | | |\n| 18· · · · not.· There was not any audio.· Once I can get | | |\n| 19· · · · it to play, I'll ask you a question. | | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Anyone hear sound? | | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We do not hear any sound. | | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· Sound issue.· Sorry. | | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Take your time, Will. | | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· There's no sound. | | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· In that case, we may need to | | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 75 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · return to this exhibit and I'll investigate how | |\n| ·3· · · · to adjust the audio. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we play it through | |\n| ·5· · · · once without the sound and we will do what we | |\n| ·6· · · · can do and, Will, you can work on it. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Will, could you play Exhibit 5. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· (Complies.) | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played without audio.) | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize that you are | |\n| 12· ·one of the people in that video? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, while we could not hear the | |\n| 15· ·audio, under the subtitles there were repeated | |\n| 16· ·references by you saying -- referring to \"my yacht,\" | |\n| 17· ·correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht you were referring | |\n| 20· ·to when you told the interviewer from Vice News | |\n| 21· ·about \"my yacht\" was the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Exhibit 5 appears to be a true | |\n| 24· ·and accurate copy of your interview with Vice News, | |\n| 25· ·correct? | |\n\n| | of 105 |\n|--|--------|\n| | |\n\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to put up
·4· · · · the next video.· And we'll mark it as
·5· · · · Exhibit 6.
·6· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 6 was received and | |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| ·7· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the person speaking in | |\n| 11· ·the video that is Exhibit 6, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were aboard the Lady May at | |\n| 14· ·the time of the video, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was created in | |\n| 17· ·November of 2022, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was posted on Vetter | |\n| 20· ·(phonetic) social media network you own and control, | |\n| 21· ·correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the video that has been marked | |\n| 24· ·as Exhibit 6 is a true and accurate copy of you | |\n| 25· ·speaking on the deck of the Lady May in November of | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 77 | |\n|--------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·2022, correct? | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to play | | |\n| | ·5· · · · the next video, which we'll mark as Kwok | | |\n| | ·6· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 7. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 7 was received and | | |\n| | ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | | |\n| | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the person speaking in that | | |\n| 12· ·video is you, correct? | | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·And in the video, Mr. Kwok, that's a true | | |\n| 15· ·and accurate copy of an interview you gave, | | | |\n| 16· ·Mr. Kwok? | | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about | | |\n| 19· ·selling the Lady May, correct? | | | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about how | | |\n| | 22· ·when you purchased the Lady May in 2015, it was | | |\n| | 23· ·delivered to Miami at that time, correct? | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May has been in the | | |\n\nof 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 78 | | |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|--|\n| ·2· ·United States since 2015, correct? | | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been in the | | | |\n| ·5· ·United States the entire time that the Lady May has | | | |\n| ·6· ·been in the United States, correct? | | | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Let me strike that. | | | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have been residing in the | | | |\n| ·9· ·United States since 2015, correct? | | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your daughter Mei Guo did not | | | |\n| 12· ·come to the United States until 2017, correct? | | | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when the Lady May was purchased | | | |\n| 17· ·in 2015, it was not delivered to the location where | | | |\n| 18· ·Mei Guo was living but, in fact, was delivered to | | | |\n| 19· ·the United States where you were living, correct? | | | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between the time the boat was | | | |\n| 22· ·delivered to Miami in 2015 and June of 2017, you | | | |\n| 23· ·used -- you boarded and sailed on the Lady May | | | |\n| 24· ·frequently, correct? | | | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | Case 22-50073 | Doc 1604-48 | Filed 03/27/23
of 105 | Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 | Page 80 |\n|----------------------|---------------------------|------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------|---------|\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | | |\n| | | | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at no time during this period | | |\n| | | | ·3· ·did your daughter, Mei Guo, ever step foot on the | | |\n| | ·4· ·Lady May, correct? | | | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | | |\n| | | | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your use of the Lady May between | | |\n| | | | ·7· ·2015 and June 2017 is no different than your use of | | |\n| | | | ·8· ·the Lady May from June 2017 until the present, | | |\n| ·9· ·correct? | | | | | |\n| | | | 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | | |\n| | | | 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, I need to go to | | |\n| | | | 13· · · · the bathroom again.· I'm feeling uncomfortable. | | |\n| | | | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let's take a break so that you | | |\n| 15· · · · can do so. | | | | | |\n| | | 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm really sorry. | | | |\n| | | | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· Please, take care of | | |\n| 18· · · · yourself. | | | | | |\n| | | | 19· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | | |\n| | | | | | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n20· · · · record at 2:49 p.m.\n\n- 21· · · · · · ·(Recess.)\n- 22· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the\n- 23· · · · record at 2:54 p.m.\n\n24· ·BY MR. LUFT:\n\n25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask my colleague to\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 80 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·put back up Exhibit 5, which I'm told now we have | |\n| ·3· ·audio for. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· One moment. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, now that you could hear the | |\n| ·8· ·audio of that video, do you agree that that is a | |\n| ·9· ·true and accurate copy of the interview that you | |\n| 10· ·gave with Vice News? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you heard in that video which is | |\n| 13· ·Exhibit 5 multiple references to \"my yacht,\" | |\n| 14· ·correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht that you were | |\n| 17· ·referencing in Exhibit 5 repeatedly as \"my yacht\" is | |\n| 18· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask my colleague, Will | |\n| 21· · · · Farmer, to post the next video, which we'll | |\n| 22· · · · mark as Exhibit 8 for this deposition. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 8 was received and | |\n| 24· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 81 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see yourself in the top | |\n| ·4· ·left-hand corner of that call -- the video of that | |\n| ·5· ·call, with the name Miles under you? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy | |\n| ·8· ·of a call that you conducted, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on that call, you were telling | |\n| 11· ·participants that if they had any questions, they | |\n| 12· ·should reach out to William Je, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, in this video of the call | |\n| 15· ·you conducted, you were telling the participants | |\n| 16· ·that if they had questions relating to transferring | |\n| 17· ·funds to entities you own and control, they should | |\n| 18· ·speak to your agent, William Je, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could you please -- I'll | |\n| 21· · · · ask you to mark as Exhibit 9, the next exhibit, | |\n| 22· · · · which, I believe, is a Tweet dated | |\n| 23· · · · May 10, 2017. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 9 was received and | |\n| 25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 82 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize yourself in | |\n| ·4· ·this exhibit? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy | |\n| ·7· ·of the Tweet you posted, correct? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·And in this Tweet, Mr. Kwok, from May 10, | |\n| | 10· ·2017, you state that you're posting photos of \"the | |\n| 11· ·yacht I gave to my daughter and named after her,\" | | |\n| 12· ·correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also wrote | |\n| | 15· ·that \"I bought the Lady May for EUR 41 million,\" | |\n| 16· ·correct? | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see below it, if we could | |\n| | 19· ·scroll down, there's another Tweet from August 27, | |\n| 20· ·2017. | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·Do you see that Mr. Kwok? | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·Ms. Wang, what is the question? | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Whether you see the Tweet from | |\n| 24· ·August 27, 2017 below the one where that is a | | |\n| | 25· ·picture of you? | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 83 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you see -- and this is a true and | |\n| | | |\n| | ·4· ·accurate copy of the Tweets you posted on August 27, | |\n| | ·5· ·2017, Mr. Kwok? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you refer to the | |\n| ·8· ·Lady May as \"my ship,\" correct? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·And you wrote those words, correct, Mr. | |\n| 11· ·Kwok? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also write | |\n| 14· ·\"This was two years ago, when I was in Miami, when I | | |\n| 15· ·had just signed the most important investment | | |\n| | 16· ·contract of my life,\" exclamation point. | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, who did you sign the most | |\n| 20· ·important investment contract of your life with? | | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you signed that investment | |\n| 23· ·contract on your own behalf, not acting as anyone | | |\n| 24· ·else's agent, correct? | | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 84 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|--|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what did you do with the assets |\n| | ·3· ·you received from signing that investment contract? |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control an entity |\n| | ·6· ·called \"HCHK Property Management Inc.,\" correct? |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, and for the record, when |\n| | ·9· ·referencing the video exhibits I've shown you today, |\n| | 10· ·your answers would not change if I was describing |\n| | 11· ·the videos as true and correct recordings as opposed |\n| | 12· ·to true and correct copies, correct? |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·In this one, what's the question? |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·When referencing the video exhibits we've |\n| | 15· ·looked at today, meaning Exhibits 5, 6, 7, and 8, I |\n| | 16· ·asked you if they were true and correct copies. |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·And what I want to know is, your answers |\n| | 18· ·would not change if I also asked you the same |\n| | 19· ·question as to whether they're true and accurate |\n| | 20· ·recordings of those videos, correct? |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control a property |\n| | 23· ·called \"HCHK Technologies Inc.,\" correct? |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· HCHK Technologies, Inc., |\n| | 25· · · · is that the company's name? |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 85 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes, ma'am. | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, a man named Elliot Dordick is | | |\n| ·6· ·affiliated with HCHK Technologies, Inc., and HCHK | | |\n| ·7· ·Property Management, Inc., correct? | | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions and statements made | | |\n| 10· ·and taken by Mr. Dordick in relation to the | | |\n| 11· ·Chapter 11 trustee in this case, (indiscernible), | | |\n| 12· ·have been done at your direction and under your | | |\n| 13· ·control? | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· Again, | | |\n| 15· · · · we seem to be getting pretty far outside the | | |\n| 16· · · · scope of anything in this adversary proceeding. | | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·Go ahead an answer this one, but absent an | | |\n| 18· · · · offer of proof, I'm going to start instructing | | |\n| 19· · · · the witness not to answer to this line. | | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Go ahead. | | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in addition to the Lady May, you | | |\n| 24· ·also own and control a second boat named the | | |\n| 25· ·Lady May II, correct? | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 86 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·The Lady May II, like the Lady May, is | |\n| | ·4· ·also an asset of your estate, correct? | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, where is the Lady May II | |\n| ·9· ·currently located? | | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Daniel Podhaskie served as your | |\n| 12· ·counsel previously, correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Podhaskie was your employee, correct? | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Podhaskie has acted as your | |\n| 17· ·agent, correct? | | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions Mr. Podhaskie took | |\n| 20· ·as counsel to Golden Spring were, in fact, actions | | |\n| 21· ·taken at your direction and for your benefit, | | |\n| 22· ·correct? | | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Daniel | |\n| 25· ·Podhaskie relating to Golden Spring, Leading Shine | | |\n\n| | of 105 | |\n|--|--------|--|\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 87 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·Limited, Saraca Media Group, Greenwich Land LLC, | |\n| ·3· ·Rule of Law Society, and the Sherry-Netherland | | |\n| ·4· ·apartment were all taken at your direction, correct? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Anthony D'Battista is also an | |\n| ·7· ·employee of yours, correct? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. D'Battista acts as your agent in | |\n| 10· ·connection with his work related to all the G | | |\n| 11· ·entities in Saraca Media, correct? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. D'Battista acts as your | |\n| | 15· ·agent and under your direction in connection with | |\n| 16· ·all of his activities related to the G entities, by | | |\n| 17· ·which I mean, G Fashion G Music G Club, Getter, as | | |\n| 18· ·well as Saraca Media, correct? | | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know who Fiona Yu is, | |\n| 21· ·correct? | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·You directed Fiona Yu to speak as your | |\n| | 24· ·agent in connection with seeking legal advice | |\n| 25· ·related to hiding the Lady May from your creditors | | |\n\n| | of 105 | |\n|--|--------|--|\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 88 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·when she discussed this with your counsel, Hodgson | | |\n| ·3· ·Russ, correct? | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, similarly, Ms. Yu took all | | |\n| ·6· ·actions related to ACA Capital Group Limited at your | | |\n| ·7· ·direction, correct? | | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you installed Fiona Yu as | | |\n| 10· ·the company secretary of ACA Capital Group Limited, | | |\n| 11· ·an entity you own and control, correct? | | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Karen Maistrello is another | | |\n| 14· ·person who acts as your agent in connection with | | |\n| 15· ·your business transactions, correct? | | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And for the record, Maistrello | | |\n| 18· · · · is spelled M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O. | | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Do I need to answer? | | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm just providing that | | |\n| 21· · · · information to the Court Reporter, Mr. Kwok. | | |\n| 22· · · · There's nothing for you to do. | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Maistrello was an employee | | |\n| 25· ·of yours, correct? | | |\n| | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 89 |\n|-----------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware of a man named Han | |\n| ·4· ·Chunguang? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Eastern Profit Limited is an | |\n| | ·7· ·entity in the name of your daughter Mei Guo, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by | |\n| | 11· ·Mr. Chunguang as relate to Eastern Profit are taken | |\n| | 12· ·at your direction, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Chunguang acts as your agent | |\n| | 17· ·in connection with all endeavors related to any | |\n| | 18· ·entities related to you, correct? | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· We're, | |\n| | 20· · · · once again, getting pretty far afield of the | |\n| | 21· · · · relatively narrow allegations back and forth in | |\n| | 22· · · · the HK adversary proceeding. | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree.· This is another | |\n| | 24· · · · entity in the name of Ms. Guo. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Another entity? | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 90 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|--|--|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Right.· Consistent with a | | |\n| ·3· · · · pattern and practice of activities. | | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer the question. | | |\n| ·5· · · · I guess, getting pretty far afield, I have not | | |\n| ·6· · · · yet directed the witness not to answer a | | |\n| ·7· · · · question.· Based on relevance, I'm telling you | | |\n| ·8· · · · we're getting pretty close on this one. | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Go ahead. | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·And I apologize to Mr. Han.· I'm told Han | | |\n| 13· ·is his last name. | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you understood who I was | | |\n| 15· ·referring to when I said Han Chunguang, that Han is | | |\n| 16· ·the last name? | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·And with that clarification, Mr. Kwok, | | |\n| 19· ·would that change any of the answers you've | | |\n| 20· ·previously given with regard to Mr. Han Chunguang? | | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Kwok, the Lady May was not the only | | |\n| 23· ·one of -- is not the only vehicle you owned and | | |\n| 24· ·controlled that you put in the name of your | | |\n| 25· ·daughter, correct? | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 91 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you, as a beneficial owner | |\n| ·6· ·and -- control Whitecroft Shores Limited, which is a | |\n| ·7· ·BVI corporation in the name of your daughter? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· The audio got muffled on that | |\n| ·9· · · · one. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure.· I'm happy to ask it | |\n| 11· · · · again. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you beneficially owned and | |\n| 14· ·controlled Whitecroft Shore Limited, a BVI | |\n| 15· ·corporation that is listed in the name of your | |\n| 16· ·daughter Mei Guo, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you placed your asset Bombardier | |\n| 21· ·Global XRS with the -- a plane, with the serial | |\n| 22· ·number 9189, into Whitecroft Shore Limited, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, despite this plane being listed | |\n| 25· ·under the name of Whitecroft Shore Limited at all | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 92 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·times, you were the beneficial owner and controlled | | |\n| ·3· ·that plane, correct? | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're similarly the beneficial | | |\n| ·6· ·owner and control an airbus, ACJ319, correct? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all funds used to purchase the | | |\n| ·9· ·Bombardier Global XRS and airbus ACJ319 belong to | | |\n| 10· ·you, correct? | | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, I do think we need to | | |\n| 13· · · · start moving on.· I get your point and | | |\n| 14· · · · understand your point.· You're trying to prove | | |\n| 15· · · · some sort of course of conduct.· I'm not saying | | |\n| 16· · · · I agree with it, but I understand the concept | | |\n| 17· · · · that you're doing.· But I think delving into | | |\n| 18· · · · multiple layers that are of multiple entities | | |\n| 19· · · · in questions that are nearly identical is | | |\n| 20· · · · becoming extremely redundant, going outside the | | |\n| 21· · · · rule -- of the scope of Rule 26, and getting to | | |\n| 22· · · · the point of harassment-like behavior. | | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·And I'm not saying that to be | | |\n| 24· · · · disrespectful; I'm just saying that so we can | | |\n| 25· · · · all move on with our lives after today or move | | |\n| | | |\n\nof 105\n\n| Page 93 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · on with our lives today, because this is | |\n| ·3· · · · getting extremely far outside the scope. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· I hear your point. I | |\n| ·5· · · · don't agree with you.· That said, I think you | |\n| ·6· · · · understand the point I'm trying to make and why | |\n| ·7· · · · I think that's pertinent. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·I will try to move through.· I don't think | |\n| ·9· · · · there's very much more, and I'll try to move | |\n| 10· · · · through it quickly. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· All right. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just a couple more entities and | |\n| 15· · · · a couple more people, and I think we'll be | |\n| 16· · · · okay. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with a person | |\n| 19· ·named Zhang Wei, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions taken by Zhang Wei | |\n| 22· ·related to any assets or entities related to you are | |\n| 23· ·taken at your direction and under your control, | |\n| 24· ·correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 94 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Zhang Wei was never the owner of | |\n| ·5· ·Genever Holdings LLC, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Zhang Wei was never the owner of Genever, | |\n| ·9· ·G-E-N-E-V-E-R, Holdings LLC, correct? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question.· It | |\n| 11· · · · is related to another ongoing proceeding to | |\n| 12· · · · which Ms. Guo and HKI are already obviously | |\n| 13· · · · parties.· It's outside the scope of this | |\n| 14· · · · adversary proceeding. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·You can answer, Mr. Kwok. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, we talked about Bravo Luck | |\n| 19· ·Limited earlier. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei never was the owner of | |\n| 21· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Last question with regard to this and I'll | |\n| 24· ·move on. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei was never the owner of | |\n| | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok\n\n·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.\n\n·2· ·Genever Holdings Corporation, correct?\n\n·5· ·control Greenwich Land LLC, correct?\n\n·9· · · · adversary proceeding at all.\n\n13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay.\n\n12· · · · understand, okay?\n\n14· ·BY MR. LUFT:\n\n18· ·correct?\n\n20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.\n\n24· ·Land LLC, correct?\n\n21· ·BY MR. LUFT:\n\n·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner and\n\n·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object and\n\n·7· · · · direct the witness not to answer.· That is --\n\n·8· · · · that entity doesn't relate to any party in this\n\n11· · · · foundation and then, hopefully, you'll\n\n10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· So, Aaron, let me lay more of a\n\n15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner and Yvette Wang both\n\n16· ·took actions related to the Lady May in connection\n\n17· ·with their roles on your behalf with Golden Spring,\n\n22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner and Ms. Wang also\n\n23· ·hold, at the same time, positions with Greenwich\n\n25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I need to go to the\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 96 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · bathroom again.· My belly is making some noises | | |\n| ·3· · · · again. | | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I just need | | |\n| ·5· · · · you to answer this question because we can't | | |\n| ·6· · · · take a break while a question is pending, but | | |\n| ·7· · · · then I'll let you take a break. | | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·I've just answered this, the Fifth. | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Let's take a break so | | |\n| 10· · · · you can go to the bathroom. | | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | | |\n| 12· · · · record at 3:37 p.m. | | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | | |\n| 15· · · · record at 3:43 p.m. | | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask you again, you | | |\n| 18· ·are the beneficial owner and control Greenwich Land | | |\n| 19· ·LLC, correct? | | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask that the | | |\n| 22· ·document -- | | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you could mark as Kwok | | |\n| 24· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 10 -- Will, if you could | | |\n| 25· · · · put up a document titled \"Declaration of Trust | | |\n| | | |\n\n| | of 105 | |\n|--|--------|--|\n| | | |\n\n| Page 97 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · and Agreement.\"· That's at tab 211. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 10 was received and | |\n| ·4· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you go to the last | | |\n| ·6· · · · page. | | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you see your signature on | |\n| 11· ·this page -- on the last page? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this trust agreement, which | |\n| 14· ·is -- purported trust agreement, which has been | | |\n| 15· ·marked as Exhibit 10, did not exist as of March 6, | | |\n| | 16· ·2015, when closing occurred for the purchase of the | |\n| 17· ·Sherry-Netherland apartment, correct? | | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· This | | |\n| | 19· · · · document, again, is the subject of a dispute. | |\n| 20· · · · It's directly at issue in another adversary | | |\n| 21· · · · proceeding to which the parties are not here. | | |\n| | 22· · · · I don't see any significance or any relevance | |\n| | 23· · · · whatsoever to this document to HK USA or | |\n| 24· · · · Ms. Guo. | | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, the entity that entered | |\n\nof 105\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · into Bravo Luck Limited is the same entity that |\n| ·3· · · · purportedly funded the purchase of the Lady May |\n| ·4· · · · and the Sherry-Netherland apartment.· I think |\n| ·5· · · · it's directly relevant.· I'm happy not to spend |\n| ·6· · · · a lot of time on it, but I would like an answer |\n| ·7· · · · to my question. |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, why don't we take a |\n| 10· · · · five-minute break.· I may be done.· So let me |\n| 11· · · · just check my notes.· Is that okay? |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the |\n| 13· · · · record at 3:47 p.m. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) |\n| 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the |\n| 16· · · · record at 3:54 p.m. |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, your counsel and I |\n| 18· · · · have discussed the idea that if the Court is |\n| 19· · · · amenable, that in lieu of you giving live |\n| 20· · · · testimony at the PJR hearing, that we can use |\n| 21· · · · this deposition transcript.· I hope the Court |\n| 22· · · · will agree to that. |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·But let me just ask, if for whatever |\n| 25· ·reason you were to have to give live testimony at |\n| |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-48 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 100\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok\n\n·4· ·answers to them?\n\n·9· · · · question?\n\n12· · · · you objected to today.\n\n16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.\n\n19· ·to my question is \"yes\"?\n\n25· · · · questions for the witness.\n\n17· ·BY MR. LUFT:\n\n20· · · · A.· ·Yes.\n\n13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you.\n\n15· · · · just now.· That didn't get interpreted.\n\n·2· ·this hearing and were asked the identical questions\n\n·3· ·that you were asked today, would you give the same\n\n·6· · · · question assumes the absence of an objection or\n\n10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· My question assumes no waiver\n\n14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The witness said \"yes\"\n\n18· · · · Q.· ·Just so we're clear Mr. Kwok, your answer\n\n21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I have no further\n\n22· · · · questions for you at this time.· I thank you\n\n24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you.· I have no\n\n23· · · · very much for the time you've given us today.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n11· · · · of your right to object to any questions that\n\n·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Am I correct that the\n\n·7· · · · an objection that was not sustained?\n\n·8· · · · · · ·Is that a fair qualification on the\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 100 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · THE WITNESS:· I wanted to take this | |\n| | ·3· ·opportunity to also thank you -- say thank you | |\n| | ·4· ·to everybody here today.· I'm sorry that | |\n| | ·5· ·because I was feeling uncomfortable, so I | |\n| | ·6· ·wasted quite a bit of everybody's time. | |\n| | ·7· · · · But I want to say thank you for all the | |\n| | ·8· ·professional questions, and I also want to | |\n| | ·9· ·extend my thanks to you, the Interpreters, | |\n| | 10· ·including Ms. Wang and Luyi, as well as the | |\n| | 11· ·Court Reporter and all of the counsels present | |\n| | 12· ·today as well as our videographer. | |\n| | 13· · · · And I also want to say hello, please, to | |\n| | 14· ·pass on my greetings to the trust and Mr. Luc. | |\n| | 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will definitely pass those | |\n| | 16· ·greetings along, Mr. Kwok, and I will echo your | |\n| | 17· ·thanks to the Court Reporter, the videographer | |\n| | 18· ·and the translator, who all did a tremendous | |\n| | 19· ·job today.· Thank you. | |\n| | 20· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· This marks the end of | |\n| | 21· ·the deposition.· We're going off the record at | |\n| | 22· ·3:59 p.m. | |\n| | 23· · · · (Deposition continues - Next page) | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1 | | Page 101 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Standing order. | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We'll take a copy but no | |\n| | ·4· · · · rough. | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· Same thing. | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We will also ask for a copy | |\n| | ·7· · · · of the video as well. | |\n| ·8 | | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·(Time noted:· 3:59 p.m.) | |\n| 10 | | |\n| 11 | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________ | |\n| | 13· · · · · · · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK | |\n| 14 | | |\n| | 15· ·Subscribed and sworn to | |\n| | 16· ·before me this· · ·day | |\n| | 17· ·of· · · · · · 2023. | |\n| | 18· ·_______________________ | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n| 1 | Page 102 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | CERTIFICATE |\n| 3 | |\n| 4 | STATE OF CONNECTICUT ) |\n| 5 | :
ss |\n| 6 | I, Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court |\n| 7 | Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary Public within |\n| 8 | and for the States of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, |\n| 9 | do hereby certify: |\n| 10 | That HO WAN KWOK, the witness whose deposition is |\n| 11 | hereinbefore set forth, was duly sworn by me and that such |\n| 12 | deposition is a true record of the testimony given by such |\n| 13 | witness. |\n| 14 | I further certify that I am not related to any of |\n| 15 | the parties to this action by blood or marriage and that I |\n| 16 | am in no way interested in the outcome of this matter. |\n| 17 | In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand |\n| 18 | this 2nd day of March, 2023. |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | ----------------------------------------
ANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR |\n| 21 | LICENSE NO. XI00218400 |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\n| ·1 | | | | Page 103 | |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------|--|----------|--|\n| | | ·2· · · · · · · · · · ·C O N T E N T S | | | |\n| | | ·3· ·MR. LUFT· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·7 | | | |\n| | | ·4· · · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S | | | |\n| | | ·5· · · · · · ·(Retained by the court reporter) | | | |\n| | | ·6· ·DEPOSITION· · · · · EXHIBIT· · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE | | | |\n| | | ·7· ·Exhibit 1· ·Declaration of Trust· · · · · · · · · 19 | | | |\n| | ·8· ·Exhibit 2· ·UBS Account Statement, Bravo Luck· · ·62
· · · · · · · · ·Ltd., Bates UBS00137 | | | | |\n| ·9 | 10· · · · · · · ·UBS02746 | · · ·Exhibit 3· ·Wire Transfer, 15 March 2015, Bates· ·63 | | | |\n| | | 11· ·Exhibit 4· ·Stipulated Order· · · · · · · · · · · 69 | | | |\n| | | 12· ·Exhibit 5· ·Video from Vice· · · · · · · · · · · ·74 | | | |\n| | | 13· ·Exhibit 6· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·76 | | | |\n| | | 14· ·Exhibit 7· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·77 | | | |\n| | | 15· ·Exhibit 8· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·80 | | | |\n| | | 16· ·Exhibit 9· ·Tweet, dated May 10, 2017· · · · · · ·82 | | | |\n| | | 17· ·Exhibit 10· Declaration of Trust and Agreement· · 97 | | | |\n| 18 | | | | | |\n| 19 | | | | | |\n| 20 | | | | | |\n| 21 | | | | | |\n| 22 | | | | | |\n| 23 | | | | | |\n| 24 | | | | | |\n| 25 | | | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-48 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 105\n\nof 105\n\n| ·1 | | | | | | |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|\n| | | | ·2· ·NAME OF CASE:· In Re: Ho Wan Kwok | | | |\n| | ·3· ·DATE OF DEPOSITION:· March 2, 2023 | | | | | |\n| | ·4· ·NAME OF WITNESS:· Ho Wan Kwok | | | | | |\n| | ·5· ·Reason Codes: | | | | | |\n| | ·6· · · 1.· To clarify the record. | | | | | |\n| · · · · 2.· To conform to the facts.
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Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特），CCR、CRR、RMR、CSR\n工作编号 222883\n\n第2页\n\n2023年3月2日\n上午10:28\n\n对 Ho Wan Kwok 进行的远程录像证言记录，在纽约州、新泽西州和康涅狄格州的法庭记录员、实时记录员、注册优异记录员及公证人 Angela M. Shaw-Crockett 面前进行。\n\nH. Kwok 第3页\n\n远程出庭人员：\nPAUL HASTINGS LLP（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）\n受托人的代理律师\n200 Park Avenue\nNew York, New York 10166\n代理律师：AVRAM LUFT（阿夫拉姆·卢夫特）律师\nDOUGLASS BARRON（道格拉斯·巴伦）律师\nWILL FARMER（威尔·法默）律师\n\nCHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC（基耶萨·沙希尼安与贾恩托马西律师事务所）\nHK INTERNATIONAL（HK国际公司）及 MEI GUO（郭梅）的代理律师\nOne Boland Drive\nWest Orange, New Jersey 07052\n代理律师：PATRICIA BERGAMASCO（帕特里夏·贝尔加马斯科）律师\n\nZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C.（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）\nHK INTERNATIONAL 及 MEI GUO 的代理律师\n10 Middle Street\nBridgeport, Connecticut 06604\n代理律师：AARON ROMNEY（艾伦·罗姆尼）律师\n\n在场人员：Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎），录像员\nLuyi Song（宋露易），Paul Hastings 法律助理\nJingyi Wang（王静怡），普通话口译员\nUna Wilkinson（乌娜·威尔金森），普通话核对口译员\n\nH. Kwok\n\n录像员：早上好。我叫 Matthew Chin-Quee。我是与 TSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）合作的法律录像员。我不会与证人在同一房间内。我将远程录制本次证言记录。记录员 Angie Shaw-Crockett 也不会与证人在同一房间内，并将远程主持证人宣誓。\n\n各方是否约定，录像记录和远程宣誓均为有效，并且其在法庭上可被采纳，如同其系依照《联邦民事诉讼规则》第30条及案件待决所在州的规则进行？\n\n卢夫特先生：我是代表 Chapter 11 受托人的 Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特），我们同意。\n\n罗姆尼先生：是的，我是代表债务人、即证人的 Zeisler & Zeisler 律师事务所的 Aaron Romney。我们同意。\n\n贝尔加马斯科女士：我是代表郭梅和 HK International 的 Patricia Bergamasco。\n\n录像员：谢谢。\n\n这是——\n\n卢夫特先生：您同意吗？\n\n贝尔加马斯科女士：是的。抱歉。\n\nH. Kwok 第5页\n\n录像员：谢谢。\n\n这是对 Ho Wan Kwok 的录像证言记录第一盘的开始，案件为美国康涅狄格地区破产法院布里奇波特分院的关于 Ho Wan Kwok 一案，案件编号为 22-50073 (JAM)。\n\n各方已同意于2023年3月2日上午约10:28远程出庭。\n\n我叫 Matthew Chin-Quee，来自 TSG Reporting，我是法律录像专员。法庭记录员是 Angie Shaw-Crockett，亦与 TSG Reporting 合作。\n\n请各位律师自我介绍。\n\n卢夫特先生：您好。我是 Paul Hastings 的 Avi Luft。我在关于 Ho Wan Kwok 一案中代表 Chapter 11 受托人。与我一同出席的有我的同事 Douglass Barron、Will Farmer，以及法律助理 Luyi Song。\n\n罗姆尼先生：我是 Zeisler & Zeisler 的 Aaron Romney。我在破产主案中代表债务人郭先生，并在今日本对抗程序中代表其作为证人。此外，我亦在本对抗程序中代表郭梅及 HKI USA（HKI美国）。\n\n贝尔加马斯科女士：我是 Zeisler & Zeisler 的 Patricia Bergamasco，在本对抗程序中代表郭梅及 HK International USA（HK国际美国公司）。\n\n录像员：谢谢。\n\n请法庭记录员为口译员和证人主持宣誓。\n\nJingyi Wang（王静怡）\n\n其已由纽约州境内及代表纽约州的公证人依法先行宣誓，随后在宣誓后将问题由英语译为普通话，并将回答由普通话译为英语，内容如下：\n\nHo Wan Kwok 作为证人被传唤，在经由口译员依法先行宣誓后，接受询问并作证如下：\n\n证人：谢谢。\n\n口译员：口译员补充说明一下。口译员已经收到链接，实时记录现已正常运行。\n\nH. Kwok 第7页\n\n卢夫特先生：很好。\n\n询问\n\n由卢夫特先生进行：\n\n问：早上好，郭先生。您好吗？\n\n答：我很好，律师。您今天早上好吗？\n\n问：我很好。谢谢您的关心。\n\n在开始之前，我将宣读律师们就今天这次远程证言记录所同意的条款。有多项条款，因此我想我会在每一项之后暂停，以便口译员有机会仅作翻译。我并不寻求回答，我只是在陈述这些条款的内容。但我认为这样会更容易。\n\n受托人同意今天远程进行债务人的证言记录，系基于债务人代理律师代表债务人同意的如下约定：第一，HK USA（HK美国）及郭梅女士不再打算传唤债务人代表其作证，并已将其从拟于听证会出庭的证人名单中删除。\n\n远程进行本次证言记录，系基于如下理解：除涉及郭先生姓名、地址以及确认其家庭成员身份的问题外，债务人拟就本次证言记录中提出的任何问题主张其第五修正案权利。\n\n如果债务人试图主张——不——抱歉。请删除这句话。\n\n如果债务人试图不主张其第五修正案权利，而是回答问题，即构成违反远程进行其证言记录的协议，并将立即改为现场进行其证言记录。双方均明确，目前债务人不得考虑通过主张其第五修正案权利来决定不回答问题。\n\n提供远程证言记录是出于善意，因为债务人提出了请求，而非由于需要，亦非受托人承认在此处或今后对债务人进行远程证言记录是适当的。任何就实体内容作答而不主张其第五修正案权利的尝试，均构成违反本协议。\n\n抱歉。我们需要停止记录。我的电脑刚刚死机了。抱歉。\n\n录像员：我们将在上午10:37停止记录。\n\n（休会。）\n\n录像员：我们于上午10:45恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将继续宣读约定。很抱歉出现技术问题。\n\n在进行证言记录时，债务人必须实际身处法院管辖范围内，即在距法院100 miles以内。对债务人进行证言记录时，除债务人的口译员及其来自 Zeisler & Zeisler 的律师外，任何人不得与债务人同处一室。证言记录处于记录状态时，债务人不得与其来自 Zeisler & Zeisler 的律师以外的任何人沟通。\n\n处于记录状态时，债务人自己的口译员不得与债务人沟通。唯一的正式口译员是王静怡女士。债务人自己的口译员在场，是为了在休息期间协助债务人与 Zeisler & Zeisler 沟通，并在证言记录进行期间就翻译事宜向 Zeisler & Zeisler 提供意见。债务人自己的口译员不得在记录中发言。\n\n证言记录处于记录状态时，债务人不得接触任何能够发送或接收信息的设备。证言记录处于记录状态时，债务人不得发送或阅读信息。\n\n各位律师，我们是否仍均同意这些约定事项？\n\n罗姆尼先生：是的。正确。我唯一要补充的是，如果我需要在记录中说一些需要债务人通过威尔金森女士理解的内容——如果我需要与债务人沟通，将通过威尔金森女士。\n\n卢夫特先生：罗姆尼先生，在记录状态时，我要求您使用王女士与债务人交谈。如果您需要就特权问题与他交谈，我们可以停止记录；在这种情况下，您可以按任何所需方式使用威尔金森女士与他交谈。\n\n罗姆尼先生：当然。我认为这大体正确。在通常情形下，如果我会在记录中对当事人说一些话而不休息以确定是否有必要休息，可能需要通过威尔金森女士，但我预计不会有任何问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。\n\n贝尔加马斯科女士，您仍同意这些条款吗？\n\n贝尔加马斯科女士：您能重复一下吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：只是确认贵所仍同意我刚刚陈述的、已经达成一致的条款。\n\n贝尔加马斯科女士：是的。\n\n卢夫特先生：很好。\n\n由卢夫特先生进行：\n\n问：郭先生，您一直非常有耐心。对此谢谢您。\n\n郭先生，我可以请您为记录陈述您的姓名和住址吗？\n\n答：我的中文姓名是 Kwok Ho Wan。我的地址在纽约第五大道。是 Sherry-Netherlands（雪莉-荷兰酒店），但我记不起确切门牌号了。是 768 或 769。\n\n问：郭先生，您现在就在该地址吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。郭先生，我知道您此前接受过证言录取，但我想先说明一些基本规则，以便我们达成共识；可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：郭先生，您是否明白您今天是在宣誓后作证？\n\n答：是，我明白。\n\n问：这意味着，您所作出的任何证言都必须真实。\n\n您明白吗？\n\n答：是，我明白。\n\n问：您今天是否有任何理由不能作出真实证言？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：郭先生，我们是否可以约定，如果我的任何问题您听不清楚，您会告诉我并要求我澄清？\n\n答：好的。非常感谢。\n\n问：郭先生，如果您没有告诉我某件事不清楚，我们是否可以约定，我可以假定您理解我的问题？\n\nYVer1f\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：好的。没问题。\n\n问：郭先生，今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\n答：我的律师和翻译员Una（乌娜）。\n\n问：您的律师是Romney先生（罗姆尼先生）吗？\n\n答：我只知道他叫Aaron（阿伦）。我不确定他的另一个名字。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特）：Romney先生，是您，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生（罗姆尼）：是我，Avi（阿维）。Aaron Romney（阿伦·罗姆尼）。\n\n由LUFT先生（卢夫特）提问：\n\n问：您的翻译员是Una Wilkinson（乌娜·威尔金森），对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：郭先生，您女儿的名字是什么？\n\n答：Kwok Mei（郭美）。\n\n问：您儿子的名字是什么？\n\n答：Kwok Qiang（郭强）。\n\n问：他有时也使用Mileson Kwok（郭文森）这个名字吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第14页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您妻子的名字是什么？\n\n答：Yu Chang Chu（朱玉昌）。\n\n问：郭先生，您今天为证言录取做过任何准备吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否与律师会面，以准备今天的证言录取？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否为准备今天的证言录取审阅过任何文件？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否审阅过任何材料以唤起您对今天证言录取的记忆？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：郭先生，现在我们将转入您证言录取的实质性部分；据我了解，您打算援引第五修正案。\n\n我请求您在作出任何此类主张之前，让我先问完问题，并让翻译员完整翻译该问题，可以吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第15页\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：郭先生，自Hong Kong International Funds Investments Limited（香港国际基金投资有限公司，以下简称“HK International”）于February 23, 2015购买Lady May（“梅夫人”号）以来，您一直是Lady May的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：我援引第五修正案。\n\n问：自HK International于February 23, 2015购买Lady May以来，您作为债务人，一直是Lady May的衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：我援引第五修正案。\n\n问：自HK International于February 23, 2015购买Lady May以来，您一直控制Lady May吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：自Hong Kong International于February 23, 2015购买Lady May以来，您一直是Lady May的法律所有人吗？\n\n证人：王女士（Ms. Wang），问题是什么？问题是问我是否是法律所有人吗？\n\nLUFT先生：是。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第16页\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：我的说法正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您无需获得Mei Guo（郭美）的许可即可登上Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您无需征得Mei Guo的许可即可使用Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您无需征得Mei Guo的许可，即可指示Lady May的船员将Lady May从一处航行至另一处，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自Hong Kong International Funds Investment Limited成立以来，您一直是其受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK International成立以来，您一直是其衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK International成立以来，您一直控制HK International，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK International成立以来，您一直是其法律所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK International成立以来，它一直是您的替身实体，对吗？\n\n翻译员：律师，您能否解释一下“替身实体”？\n\nLUFT先生：好的。\n\n翻译员：我明白这个法律术语了。\n\nLUFT先生：只需翻译该术语。这是一个法律术语。\n\n证人：第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您熟悉一个名为“HK International Funds Investment USA Limited（香港国际基金投资美国有限公司）”的实体，我也可能将其称为“HK USA”，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直是其受益所有人，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球 全球 877-702-9580\n\n第105页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直是其衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直控制该实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直是其法律所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，它一直是您的替身实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您认识一名叫Natasha Qu（娜塔莎·曲）的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，将HK International转让给Natasha Qu，是为了向您的债权人隐匿您的资产，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第18页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第19页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您指示Natasha Qu于October 10, 2014前后签署一份信托声明，涉及您在Hong Kong International中的股份，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：此时，我请求法庭记录员将一份于October 10, 2014作出的信托声明副本，以及我们所持有的该文件的经认证译文，标记为Kwok PJR证言录取证物1。\n\n我会请我的同事Farmer先生（法默先生）尽可能展示该文件。\n\n（Kwok PJR证物1已于本日收取并标记以供识别。）\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，请花一分钟审阅证物1。\n\nROMNEY先生：Avi，可能是屏幕格式的问题。我没有看到上面的Bates编号。\n\n这些文件是否已在PJR程序中出示？\n\nLUFT先生：没有Bates编号。我们已提出向您出示该文件。\n\n第105页\n\nYVer1f\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第20页\n\nROMNEY先生：抱歉。我不确定您指的是什么。\n\n证人：我读完了。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，这是您于October 10, 2014与Natasha Kwok [原文如此]——Natasha Qu——就您所持Hong Kong International股份签订的信托声明的真实、准确副本吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题的形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，证物1即日期为October 10, 2014的信托声明的签署副本，已交给您的律师Stevenson, Wong & Co.（史蒂文森、黄律师事务所），由其代表您保管，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，根据该信托声明的条款，即使Hong Kong International已由您转让给Natasha Qu，您仍保留了对Hong Kong International及其资产（包括Lady May）的控制权和受益所有权，对吗？\n\n案件 22-50073\n文件 1604-48\n提交 03/27/23\n录入 03/27/23 14:12:10\n第105页 第22页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n问：Lady May，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May是代表您购买的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May是为了由您控制并受益所有而购买的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，用于购买Lady May的全部资金，均为由您拥有和控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您于February 23, 2015使用由您独家控制的资金，为一个名为Bravo Luck（好运有限公司）的实体提供资金，用于购买Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Bravo Luck是一个您始终拥有独家控制权的实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您始终对Bravo Luck的资产拥有独家控制权，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第22页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，用于购买Lady May的资金中，没有任何资金属于您的儿子Mileson Kwok，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您让Hong Kong International购买Lady May供您本人使用，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您指示Hong Kong International使用您自己的资产购买Lady May，试图掩盖您对Lady May的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：为清楚起见，当我提及Bravo Luck时，您明白我指的是Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您指示Hong Kong International使用您拥有的资金购买Lady May，以使Lady May免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第23页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生（Mr. Kwok），您指示曲女士（Ms. Qu）于 June 27, 2017 将其对 Hong Kong International（香港国际）的所谓所有权，以 one Hong Kong dollar 的对价转让给 Mei Guo（梅国），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您指示于 June 27, 2017 将曲女士对 HK International（香港国际）的所谓所有权，以 one Hong Kong dollar 的对价转让给梅国，意图掩盖您对 Lady May（“梅夫人号”）的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您指示于 June 27, 2017 将曲女士对 HK International 的所谓所有权，以 one Hong Kong dollar 的对价转让给梅国，以试图使“梅夫人号”免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，于 June 27, 2017 将曲女士对 HK International 的所谓所有权转让给梅国，并未改变这样一个事实：您仍然控制 HK International，且仍是其受益所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生（MR. ROMNEY）：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n郭文贵 第24页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生（MR. LUFT）继续讯问：\n\n问：由于提出了异议，我把这个问题拆开问。\n\n于 June 27, 2017 将曲女士对 HK International 的所谓所有权转让给梅国，并未改变这样一个事实：在该转让后，您仍然控制 HK International，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，于 June 27, 2017 将曲女士对 HK International 的所谓所有权转让给梅国，并未改变这样一个事实：在该转让后，您仍然是 Hong Kong International 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，于 June 27, 2017 将曲女士对 HK International 的所谓所有权转让给梅国，并未改变这样一个事实：在转让前后，您始终控制“梅夫人号”，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n郭文贵 第25页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，于 June 27, 2017 将曲女士对 HK International 的所谓所有权转让给梅国，并未改变这样一个事实：在转让前后，您始终是“梅夫人号”的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您——我的意思是您本人或通过您的代理人——指示于 September 11, 2018 成立 HK International Funds Investments USA Limited（香港国际基金投资美国有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，“梅夫人号”被转让给 HK USA（香港美国），意图掩盖您对“梅夫人号”的所有权，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，“梅夫人号”是在您的指示下被转让给 HK USA，以试图使其免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n郭文贵 第26页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您曾使用 Golden Spring（金泉）和 Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）这两个实体支付“梅夫人号”的费用，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是 Golden Spring 的所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Golden Spring 所有的全部资产均属于您，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您控制 Golden Springs Limited（金泉有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您控制 Golden Spring 的全部资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，与“梅夫人号”有关的全部费用\n\n郭文贵 第27页\n\n由 Golden Spring New York Limited（金泉纽约有限公司）支付；我此前将其称为“Golden Spring”。该等费用均以由您控制的资金支付，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Golden Spring 支付的与“梅夫人号”有关的全部费用，均以您拥有的资金支付，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Golden Spring 支付的与“梅夫人号”有关的全部费用，均是在您的指示下支付的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Golden Spring 为“梅夫人号”支付的费用，没有一项是以属于 Mileson Kwok（郭文贵之子）的资产支付的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是 Lamp Capital 的衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是\n\n郭文贵 第28页\n\nLamp Capital 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是 Golden Spring 的衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是 Golden Spring 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您对 Lamp Capital 享有排他性控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lamp Capital LLC（蓝普资本有限责任公司）支付的与“梅夫人号”有关的全部费用，均以由您控制的资产支付，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lamp Capital LLC 支付的与“梅夫人号”有关的全部费用，均以您拥有的资产支付，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lamp Capital LLC 支付的与“梅夫人号”有关的全部费用，均是在您的指示下支付的，对吗？\n\n郭文贵 第29页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lamp Capital 支付的与“梅夫人号”有关的费用，没有一项是以属于郭文贵之子的资产支付的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lamp Capital 的任何资产均不属于郭文贵先生——即 Mileson Kwok——，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您对 Lamp Capital 的资产享有排他性控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您的儿子 Mileson Kwok 对 Lamp Capital 的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您的儿子 Mileson Kwok 对 Golden Spring 的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n郭文贵 第30页\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您要求 Yvette Wang（王逸飞）代表您就“梅夫人号”、HK USA 和 HK International 采取行动，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您要求 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）代表您就“梅夫人号”、HK International 和 HK USA 采取行动，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Yvette Wang 就“梅夫人号”采取的全部行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Yvette Wang 就“梅夫人号”采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n郭文贵 第31页\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner 就“梅夫人号”采取的全部行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner 就“梅夫人号”采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Yvette Wang 就 HK International 采取的全部行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Yvette Wang 就 HK USA 采取的全部行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Yvette Wang 就 HK International 采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n郭文贵 第32页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Yvette Wang 就 HK USA 采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner 就 HK International 采取的全部行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner 就 HK USA 采取的全部行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner 就 HK International 采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n郭文贵 第33页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner 就 HK USA 采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续讯问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Yvette Wang 目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，至少自 2015 起直至目前，王女士一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，至少自 2015 起直至目前，王女士一直担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，王女士目前担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您知道王女士目前所在的位置，对吗？\n\n郭文贵 第34页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，王女士目前居住在何处？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner 目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在 Krasner 先生参与“梅夫人号”事务的所有期间，他一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在您与 Krasner 先生有往来的所有期间，他一直担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Krasner 先生目前担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您拥有 Krasner 先生目前的联系信息，包括其地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Krasner 先生目前的\n\n郭文贵 第35页\n\n·2· ·住址？\n\n·3· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·4· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生（郭文贵），Krasner先生（克拉斯纳）目前的电话号码是多少？\n\n·6· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·7· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您知道如何联系Yvette Wang女士（王雁） ，对吗？\n\n·9· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n10· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您尚未将该信息提供给受托人，对吗？\n\n12· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n13· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 请口译员询问证人是否需要休息。\n\n15· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n16· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您知道如何联系Krasner先生，对吗？\n\n18· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· Avi，您没有听到我刚刚记入记录的内容吗？\n\n20· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· Aaron，我没有听到您说的话。抱歉。\n\n22· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 哦，抱歉。我刚才请求口译员询问证人是否需要休息。\n\n25· · · · · · ·口译员：· 哦，好的。\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第36页\n\n·2· · · · · · ·（照办。）\n\n·3· · · · · · ·证人：· 是的。相当累。我需要休息。\n\n·5· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· 好的。Aaron，我大概还有两个问题就结束这一部分。我们能否先问完，然后休息？\n\n·8· · · · · · ·证人：· 好的。\n\n·9· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n10· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您目前知道Krasner先生的联系信息，包括地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n13· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n14· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您尚未将该信息提供给受托人，对吗？\n\n16· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n17· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· Aaron，如果您现在想休息，也可以。您想休息多久？\n\n20· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 您想要多久？五分钟、十分钟？\n\n22· · · · · · ·证人：· 十分钟。\n\n23· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 十分钟？\n\n24· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· 当然。\n\n25· · · · · · ·录像员：· 现在停止记录。\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第37页\n\n·2· · · · 记录停止时间为上午11:47。\n\n·3· · · · · · ·（休庭。）\n\n·4· · · · · · ·录像员：· 现在恢复记录。\n\n·5· · · · 记录恢复时间为下午12:05。\n\n·6· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n·7· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您对Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）的航行调动拥有最终决定权，对吗？\n\n·9· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n10· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您对Lady May船员将该游艇驶往何处拥有最终控制权，对吗？\n\n13· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n14· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您曾指示Lady May于2020年从纽约驶往佛罗里达州，对吗？\n\n17· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n18· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Lady May于2020年秋季从纽约驶往佛罗里达州，是因为您指示如此办理，对吗？\n\n21· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n22· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您曾指示Lady May于2020年秋季从佛罗里达州驶往巴哈马，对吗？\n\n25· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok\n\n·2· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Lady May于2020年秋季从佛罗里达州驶往巴哈马，是因为您指示船员如此办理，对吗？\n\n·5· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·6· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您于2021年指示Lady May驶往欧洲，对吗？\n\n·8· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·9· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Lady May于2021年驶往欧洲的原因，是您作出该项指示，对吗？\n\n12· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n13· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n14· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n15· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您指示Lady May驶往欧洲，是为了使Lady May不落入您债权人之手，对吗？\n\n18· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n19· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Lady May一直停留在欧洲，直至您授权其返回美国，对吗？\n\n22· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n23· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您是唯一有权命令Lady May返回美国的人，对吗？\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第39页\n\n·2· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·3· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您于2021年指示Lady May驶往欧洲时，您和您的女儿Mei Guo（郭梅）知悉，此举将违反Ostrager法官（奥斯特拉格）的命令，并导致您产生藐视法庭罚款，对吗？\n\n·8· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·9· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n10· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n11· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Lady May于2022年返回康涅狄格州水域，仅仅是因为您指示如此办理，对吗？\n\n14· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n15· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您熟悉一名叫William Je（杰威廉）的人吗？\n\n17· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n18· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，William Je是亲密的家庭朋友，对吗？\n\n20· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n21· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您的女儿称Je先生为“William叔叔”，对吗？\n\n23· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n24· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Je先生担任代理人，对吗？\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第40页\n\n·2· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·3· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Je先生目前在您的商业交易中担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n·5· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·6· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，2022年4月，Je先生——Je先生就Lady May所采取的任何行动，均是作为您的代理人采取的，对吗？\n\n·9· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n10· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Je先生就商业交易所采取的任何行动，均是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n13· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n14· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n15· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n16· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，就任何涉及您和Je先生的商业交易而言，Je先生受您控制，对吗？\n\n19· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n20· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Je先生按照您的指示，通过使用Himalaya Farms（喜马拉雅农场）为您筹集资金，对吗？\n\n23· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n24· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，任何名义上由William Je控制的资产，实际上均为由您控制的资产，对吗？\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第41页\n\n·2· · · · 控制，对吗？\n\n·3· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·4· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·5· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n·6· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，任何名义上由William Je控制的实体，实际上均为由您控制的实体，对吗？\n\n·9· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n10· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n11· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n12· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，日期为April 19, 2022、由Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）作为贷款人、HK USA（HK美国）作为借款人的贷款协议，是应您的请求安排的，对吗？\n\n16· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n17· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您控制Himalaya International Financial Group Limited，对吗？\n\n19· · · · · · ·证人：· 我现在想与我的律师交谈。\n\n21· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· 好的。\n\n22· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 休息五分钟。\n\n23· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· 好的。\n\n24· · · · · · ·录像员：· 现在停止记录。\n\n25· · · · 记录停止时间为下午12:17。\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第42页\n\n·2· · · · · · ·（休庭。）\n\n·3· · · · · · ·录像员：· 现在恢复记录。\n\n·4· · · · 记录恢复时间为下午12:24。\n\n·5· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n·6· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您是Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n·9· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n10· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的全部资产均由您控制，对吗？\n\n13· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n14· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，Himalaya International Financial Group向HK USA出借的\\$37 million资金，是您拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n18· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n19· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您控制HK USA就本Chapter 11案件（第11章案件）而存入托管账户的\\$37 million，对吗？\n\n22· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n23· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，HK USA就Himalaya International所称的\\$37 million贷款偿还本金\\$37 million的任何款项——\n\n共105页\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok\n\n·2· ·Financial Group Limited，均将支付给您控制的实体，对吗？\n\n·4· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·5· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·6· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n·7· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，HK USA就Himalaya International Financial Group Limited所称的\\$37 million贷款支付的任何利息，均将支付给您控制的实体，对吗？\n\n11· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n12· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n13· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n14· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，在February 7, 2022于Supreme Court of the State of New York（纽约州最高法院）由Ostrager法官举行的证据听证会上，您的利益所在是让法院认定HK USA是Lady May的受益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\n20· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对该问题提出异议。\n\n21· · · · · · ·口译员：· 我没有听清。有人在问题之后说了些什么。\n\n23· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 能否请人复述该问题。\n\n25· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· 能否将其翻译，然后——\n\n共105页\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第44页\n\n·2· · · · 再复述。\n\n·3· · · · · · ·口译员：· （照办。）\n\n·4· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 我们能否先听取复述该问题？\n\n·6· · · · · · ·（书记员复述了最后一个问题。）\n\n·8· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·9· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n10· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n11· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，HK USA和Mei Guo的律师出席了February 7, 2022的证据听证会，对吗？\n\n14· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n15· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，HK USA和Mei Guo的律师协助在February 7, 2022的听证会上提出您的辩护，对吗？\n\n18· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\n19· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n20· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n21· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，HK USA和Mei Guo的律师在February 7, 2022的听证会上与您的律师合作，为您的案件作准备并提出您的案件，对吗？\n\n25· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok 第45页\n\n·2· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n·3· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n·4· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，您指示您在February 7, 2022证据听证会上的律师，就该听证会与HK USA和Mei Guo签订共同利益协议，对吗？\n\n·8· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 我将基于律师—当事人保密特权，指示证人不要回答。\n\n11· · · · · · ·LUFT先生：· Romney先生，您知道那是在申请破产前，因此任何共同利益均属于受托人，对吗？\n\n14· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 请书记员复述问题——请复述该问题。\n\n16· · · · · · ·（书记员复述了最后一个问题。）\n\n18· · · · · · ·ROMNEY先生：· 您可以回答。\n\n19· · · · 答：· ·援引第五修正案。\n\n20· ·由LUFT先生提问：\n\n21· · · · 问：· ·Kwok先生，在Ostrager法官于February 7, 2022举行的证据听证会上，HK USA和Mei Guo与您具有相同利益，即让法院认定HK USA是Lady May的受益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\n共105页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第46页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您就第11章破产申请所提交的申报表，本应将您对 Lady May（“Lady May”）的受益所有权列为破产财产的一项资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您就第11章破产申请所提交的申报表，本应将您对 HK USA（香港美国公司）的受益所有权列为破产财产的一项资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring（黄金泉公司）和 Lamp Capital（蓝普资本公司）的任何被用于支付 Lady May 的费用、包括与其有关的任何律师费的资产，本应在您为第11章破产申请所提交的申报表中申报为破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第47页\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring 持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，Lamp Capital 持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok（迈尔森·郭）名义持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，以您女儿 Mei Guo（梅·郭）名义持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，以您妻子 Hing Chi Ngok（兴奇·诺克）名义持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第48页\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您曾指示设立众多离岸公司，无论其设于英属维尔京群岛、香港还是其他地方，目的都是持有您的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，您曾安排以您子女、妻子及商业伙伴的名义设立这些离岸公司，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，无论这些实体中任何一个是以您妻子、女儿、儿子、王女士、Krasner 先生（克拉斯纳）或您任何其他商业伙伴的名义登记，事实上，您拥有并控制这些离岸实体中的每一个，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您安排设立这些离岸实体的原因，是为了掩盖您对其所持资产的所有权，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第49页\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您安排设立这些离岸实体并将资产置于其中的原因，是试图向您的债权人隐匿您的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，您女儿 Mei Guo 担任成员、董事或负责人的所有实体，实际上均由您受益所有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，HK USA、HK International（香港国际公司）、Eastern Profit Corporation Limited（东方利润有限公司）、Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）、Anton Development Limited（安东开发有限公司）、Anton Development USA Limited LLC（安东开发美国有限责任公司）、GM27 LLC、Loss Draft LLC、Gypsy May Productions LLC、Gypsy May Food Service LLC、Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC、Hudson Diamond New York LLC、Allied Capital Global Limited、Creative Apex Investment Limited、Crystal Breeze Investments Limited、Elite Well Global Limited、Globalist International Limited、Infinite Increased Limited、Infinium Developments Limited、Noble Fame\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第50页\n\nGlobal Limited、Rosy Acme Ventures Limited、Leading Shine New York Limited 和 Leading Shine Limited，均是以您女儿名义持有、但实际上由您拥有并控制的资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，以 Mei Guo 名义持有的全部资产，均以完全由您拥有并控制的资金购买，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：在证人回答之前，请书记员宣读一遍该问题。\n\n（书记员宣读了最后一个问题。）\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，以 Mei Guo 名义持有的全部资产，均完全由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2015年至今期间，用于支付与您有关的任何费用的资金，包括但不限于生活费用和法律费用，\n\n第105页之\n\nYVer1f\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n是否均并非由 Mei Guo 及她拥有或控制的任何实体提供？\n\n罗姆尼先生：抱歉。该问题也请宣读一遍。抱歉。\n\n（书记员宣读了最后一个问题。）\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2015年至今期间，用于支付与您有关的任何费用的资金，包括但不限于生活费用和法律费用，均并非由居住在中国的您的任何家庭成员提供，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo 除从您拥有并控制的实体取得收入外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第52页\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo 从您拥有并控制的任何实体获得的任何资金，均是您赠与她的礼物，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo 及以她名义设立的任何实体从您拥有并控制的任何实体获得的任何资金，即使在转移给郭女士后，仍然是受您控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo 从未担任过 Pangu Plaza（盘古广场）的首席执行官，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mileson Kwok 除从您拥有并控制的实体取得收入外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，Mileson Kwok 及以他名义设立的任何实体从您拥有并控制的任何实体获得的任何资金，即使在转移给 Mileson Kwok 后，仍然是受您控制的资金，\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第53页\n\n对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mileson Kwok 从您拥有并控制的任何实体获得的任何资金，均是您赠与他的礼物，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2015年至今期间，用于支付与您有关的任何费用的资金，包括但不限于生活费用和法律费用，均并非由 Mileson Kwok 及他拥有和控制的任何实体提供，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您儿子 Mileson Kwok 被列为成员、董事或负责人的所有实体，实际上均由您受益所有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第54页\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring New York Limited、Lamp Capital LLC、Bravo Luck Limited、Infinity Treasury Management, Inc.、Saraca Media Group, Inc.、K Legacy Limited、Well Origin Limited、ACA Hong Kong Investment Holdings Group Limited 和 Powerwell Flowable Limited，均是以您儿子 Miles Kwok 名义持有、但事实上由您拥有并控制的实体，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，名为 Kingdom Rich Limited 的实体由您而非您儿子拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的全部资产，均以由您拥有并控制的资金购买，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的全部资产，\n\n第105页之\n\nYVer1f\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n事实上均由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，这包括位于伦敦 5 Princess Gate 的住宅，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制您儿子 Mileson Kwok 的汽车收藏，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi，我们已经相当偏离本对抗程序中的争议事项。我一直给予了相当大的余地，但我将不得不开始指示证人不要回答；如有必要，我们将申请保护令。\n\n我不认为我们今天在此讨论的反诉中有任何关于汽车的指控。\n\n卢夫特先生：我认为我不同意。但我这里还有几个收尾问题，然后我想我们将——我的下一组问题，我想您会看到——我不认为\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第56页\n\n我们之间会就其相关性存在任何争议。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的任何资产，均不由您以外的其任何家庭成员拥有或控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的任何资产，均不是以由您以外的其任何家庭成员拥有或控制的资金购买，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，于 October 3, 2006，您设立了一家名为 Hong Kong International Funds Limited 的香港实体，我们一直将其称为 HK International，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n问：郭先生，当时，Hong Kong International 的全部资产均属于您，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第57页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，截至并包括2014年10月10日，您是Hong Kong International（香港国际）的唯一股东和董事，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2014年10月，Natasha Qu（曲娜塔莎），亦称Qu Guo Jiao（曲国娇），是您的财务经理，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：而且曲女士当时负责处理您的财务事务，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，当时曲女士是您的雇员，并在所有与您财务有关的事项中担任您的代理人，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的、已标记为证据1的《信托声明》，将曲女士列为受托人，将您列为受益人，正确吗？\n\n第58页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，该已标记为证据1、我将称之为“HK International信托声明”的《信托声明》，是与曲女士订立的——抱歉——是与曲女士订立的，并授权及要求曲女士持有您在Hong Kong International中的主要股份，正确吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：我要撤回该问题，因为我认为表达得不够清楚。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，根据您与曲女士订立的HK International信托声明，您授权并要求曲女士以您的名义持有Hong Kong International的股份，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的HK International信托声明规定，您转让给曲女士的股份不属于曲女士，而是属于您，即作为该协议项下的受益人，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的HK International信托声明规定，曲女士将作为代名人并为您设立信托，持有您转让给她的Hong Kong International股份，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，根据您与曲女士订立的HK International信托声明，曲女士仅应依照您的指示行使与您转让给她的HK International股份有关的权利，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，即使在2014年10月10日之后，您仍根据未披露的HK International信托声明实益拥有HK International，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。此外，已问已答。\n\n第60页\n\n证人：已问已答。好的。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，2014年10月10日之后，您继续控制HK International，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。已问已答。\n\n答：我相当困惑。您问的是同样的问题。每次都是同样的问题，一遍又一遍。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，我认为不是。您的律师可以提出已问已答的异议，尽管这在证言录取中并非适当的异议。话虽如此，他可以提出该异议，但我仍需要您回答问题。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月23日，HK International依照您的指示，以EUR 28 million向Apsley Yacht Limited（艾普斯利游艇有限公司）购买Lady May（五月女士号），正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第61页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月，您独家实益拥有并控制Bravo Luck Limited（百瑞运有限公司），正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，截至今日，您仍实益拥有并控制Bravo Luck Limited，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月23日，Bravo Luck Limited依照您的指示，从您独家控制的位于UBS（瑞银集团）的Bravo Luck银行账户转出资金，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请求法庭记录员将带有Bates编号UBS00137至156的文件标记为郭PJR证言录取证据2。\n\n威尔，那是标签190，如果你能把它调出来。\n\n（郭PJR证据2于本日收到并标记供识别。）\n\n第62页\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您认识这份文件吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：能否把它放大一些？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，这是2015年Bravo Luck的UBS银行对账单，显示您实益拥有并控制该账户中的资金，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，UBS为您持有的该Bravo Luck账户中的资金，来自Eastern Profit Corporation（东方利润公司）的370 million，以及Hong Kong International的150 million；这两个实体均由您拥有并控制，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请求法庭记录员将带有Bates编号UBS02746的文件标记为郭PJR证言录取证据3。\n\n（郭PJR证据3于本日收到并标记供识别。）\n\n第63页\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：这显示了为购买Lady May而进行的25 million UBS电汇？\n\n罗姆尼先生：这是个问题吗？我不知道您是否在发言。\n\n卢夫特先生：我只是在铺垫。等他能够看到后，我会问他一个问题，Aaron。\n\n罗姆尼先生：是，是。我只是想澄清一下。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。我不想在他看到文件之前问他这个问题。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。\n\n能否把它放大一点，谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，首先，如果我们向下滚动，您认得文件上的签名吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，那是您的签名，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是一份UBS电汇文件，显示从我们刚刚看到其在证据2中对账单的UBS银行账户转出$25 million资金，该等资金被用于为您购买Lady May，正确吗？\n\n第64页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi，该证据2是否已向本对抗程序的各方提交？\n\n卢夫特先生：我必须稍后回复您。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您对我们一直在讨论的UBS银行账户拥有独家控制权，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的儿子Mileson Kwok（郭迈臣）没有参与任何与HK International收购Lady May有关的交易，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：Aaron，现在是1:22。你们想午休吗？还是想继续？\n\n我也考虑到法庭记录员、录像员以及译员。\n\n第65页\n\n抱歉，Jingyi。\n\n罗姆尼先生：你预计今天还剩多少内容？\n\n（进行了不记录在案的讨论。）\n\n录像员：现在于下午1:22停止记录。\n\n（下午1:22休庭午餐。）\n\n（下午2:00恢复证言录取。）\n\n第66页\n\n************************************************\n下午庭审\n************************************************\n\n录像员：现在于下午2:00恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：下午好，郭先生。\n\n答：下午好。\n\n问：郭先生，您熟悉在您的Chapter 11案件中提交的拟议Chapter 11计划，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道，根据您的Brown Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克律师事务所）律师提出并提交的计划，其中提及所谓“船只出资”，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，根据该船只出资计划，Lady May将被出资给债权人信托，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在包括船只出资的Chapter 11计划被提出时，您是Lady May的实益所有人并控制该船只，正确吗？\n\n第67页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，拟议计划项下的船只出资实际上并非由HK USA（美国香港国际）作出的出资，因为您的破产财产已实益拥有并控制Lady May，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您知道HK USA对您提起了一项对抗程序，主张Lady May的所有权，正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道HK USA提起该对抗程序，是为了使Lady May被视为由HK USA和您的女儿Mei Guo（郭美）作出的出资，以证明她们根据该计划获得豁免是正当的，正确吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，与船只出资同时提起对抗程序的计划\n\n该计划下的安排是由您的律师与HK USA的律师共同达成的计划，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok（郭文贵）先生，为本程序之目的，您由一名名为Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）的律师代理，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Mitchell先生同时担任HK USA和Mei Guo（郭美）的律师，对吗？\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：就您在第11章程序中的代理，以及Mitchell先生在对抗诉讼中就第11章程序代理HK USA和Mei Guo而言，您认为Mitchell先生不存在利益冲突，因为您实益拥有并控制您的破产财产、HK USA以及Lady May（“梅夫人”号），对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：我请求将Kwok PJR庭前证言证物4号——让我撤回这句话。\n\n我请求将ECF299——即要求HK International Funds Investments (USA) Limited, LLC运输并交付该特定游艇“Lady May”的经协定命令——标记为Kwok PJR庭前证言证物4号，并向证人出示。\n\n共105页\n\n第69页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第69页\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证物4已被接收并标记用于识别。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您通过您的律师同意受该命令约束，对吗？\n答：我不懂英语。\n\n问：我的问题是，您是否指示您的律师同意您受已标记为证物4的这份经协定命令约束？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示HK USA的律师同意受本协议约束，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，作为HK USA的实益所有人和控制人，您指示您的女儿同意受本协议约束，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您同意由William Je（杰威廉）于April 13, 2022汇出$37 million作为保证金缴纳，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Je先生的——让我撤回这句话。\n\nKwok先生，Himalaya Capital（喜马拉雅资本）与HK USA之间的贷款协议，二者均由您拥有并控制，于April 19, 2022达成，对吗？\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示HK USA和Himalaya Capital双方签订该$37 million贷款协议，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，抱歉。我一直将其称为“Himalaya International Capital”。我的意思是Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）。\n\n该更正是否改变您先前的任何回答？\nROMNEY先生：异议。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第70页\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第71页\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：为明确起见，Kwok先生，您在April 2022拥有并控制Himalaya International Financial Group，对吗？\nROMNEY先生：已问及并已回答。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，证物4所载条款，即要求HK International Funds Investments运输并交付Lady May的经协定命令，与您决定让Himalaya International Financial Group向HK USA贷款$37 million无关，对吗？\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您本会——抱歉。让我撤回这句话。\n\nKwok先生，HK USA是依您的指示，与Himalaya International Financial Group Limited签订该$37 million贷款，而不论就要求返还Lady May的经协定命令将达成何种条款，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第72页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nROMNEY先生：可以把那个问题读回吗？\n\n证人：抱歉。我想我——也许午餐吃了不干净的东西。我感到不舒服，需要去洗手间，可能要花些时间。\n\nLUFT先生：Kwok先生，没关系。请处理您需要处理的一切，您回来时我会在这里。\n\n录像员：现在于2:18 p.m.停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现在于2:27 p.m.恢复记录。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，在Himalaya International Financial Group Limited之前，原本将向HK USA出借该$37 million的一方——该实体——是ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司），对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是ACA Capital Group Limited的唯一实益所有人，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对ACA Capital Group Limited拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是ACA Capital Group Limited全部资产的实益所有人，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，Kwok先生，您对ACA Capital Group Limited的资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对Saraca Media Group Limited（萨拉卡媒体集团有限公司）拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对Saraca Media Group拥有独占实益所有权，对吗？\n\nKwok先生，您拥有独占实益——您是Saraca Media Group的唯一实益所有人，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您汇出$37 million作为保证金缴纳，目的是为了让自己免于入狱，对吗？\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第74页\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，由于您希望免于入狱，无论与其返还有关的任何条款，或Lady May抵达后将如何处理该笔款项，您都会汇出该$37 million作为保证金缴纳，对吗？\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：Kwok先生，我想向您出示一段我将标记为证物的视频，该视频来自Vice（Vice新闻网），我将请我的同事播放。该视频将标记为证物5。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证物5已被接收并标记用于识别。）\n\n证人：有问题吗？\n\nLUFT先生：抱歉，Kwok先生，没有问题。没有任何音频。一旦我能让它播放，我会问您一个问题。\n\n有人听到声音吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：我们没有听到任何声音。\n\nFARMER先生：声音有问题。抱歉。\n\nLUFT先生：慢慢来，Will。\n\n证人：没有声音。\n\nFARMER先生：既然如此，我们可能需要回到该证物，我会研究如何调整音频。\n\n共105页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生：为什么不先在没有声音的情况下播放一遍？我们会尽力处理，Will，你可以继续处理。\n\nWill，你能播放证物5吗？\n\nFARMER先生：（照办。）\n\n（在无音频的情况下播放视频。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您认出自己是该视频中的人物之一吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，尽管我们听不到音频，但字幕中反复出现您所说的内容——提及“我的游艇”，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，Kwok先生，您在向Vice News的采访者谈及“我的游艇”时所指的游艇是Lady May，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，证物5似乎是您接受Vice News采访的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n共105页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：Will，能否请您播放下一段视频？我们将其标记为证物6。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证物6已被接收并标记用于识别。）\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是证物6视频中说话的人，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，拍摄该视频时您在Lady May上，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，该视频创作于November of 2022，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，该视频发布在您拥有并控制的Vetter（音译）社交媒体网络上，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，已标记为证物6的视频，是您于November of 2022在Lady May甲板上讲话的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第77页\n\n问：2022，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：Will，能否请您播放下一段视频，我们将其标记为Kwok PJR庭前证言证物7号。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证物7已被接收并标记用于识别。）\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，该视频中说话的人是您，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：并且，Kwok先生，在该视频中，这是您所接受采访的真实准确副本，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您在视频中谈到了出售Lady May，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您在视频中谈到，您于2015购买Lady May时，该游艇当时被交付至Miami（迈阿密），对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，自2015年以来，Lady May一直在美国，对吗？\n\n共105页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第78页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，在Lady May一直位于美国期间，您也一直在美国，对吗？\n\n让我撤回这句话。\n\nKwok先生，自2015年以来，您一直居住在美国，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您的女儿Mei Guo直到2017年才来到美国，对吗？\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，2015年购买Lady May时，该游艇并未交付至Mei Guo居住的地点，而是事实上交付至您居住的美国，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，从该船于2015年交付至Miami起至June of 2017期间，您经常使用——您经常登上并驾驶Lady May航行，对吗？\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1604-48 于 03/27/23 提交\n共 105 页 于 03/27/23 14:12:10 登记 页码 80\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n问：郭先生，在此期间，您的女儿 Mei Guo（郭美）从未登上过 Lady May（“五月花女士号”），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在 2015 年至 2017 年 6 月期间对 Lady May 的使用，与您自 2017 年 6 月至今对 Lady May 的使用并无不同，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生（罗姆尼）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n证人：Wang 女士（王女士），我又需要去洗手间。我感到不舒服。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特）：我们休息一下，让您去。\n\n证人：我真的很抱歉。\n\nLUFT 先生：不。请照顾好自己。\n\n录像员：现在于下午 2:49 停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现在于下午 2:54 恢复记录。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，我将请我的同事把证物 5 再展示出来，我现在得知我们有其音频。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 页码 80\n\n请展示证物 5，我现在得知我们有其音频。\n\nFARMER 先生（法默）：稍等。\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，现在您已听到该视频的音频，您是否同意，该视频是您接受 Vice News（Vice 新闻）采访的真实、准确副本？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在作为证物 5 的该视频中听到了多次提及“我的游艇”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在证物 5 中反复称为“我的游艇”的游艇是 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生：我将请我的同事 Will Farmer（威尔·法默）展示下一段视频，我们将把它作为本次证言记录的证物 8 标记。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR 证物 8 已被接收并标记以供识别。）\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\nH. Kwok 页码 81\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您在该通话视频的左上角看到自己了吗，您下方显示的名字是 Miles？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您进行的一次通话的真实、准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在那次通话中，您告诉参与者，如有任何问题，应联系 William Je（杰·威廉），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，郭先生，在您进行的该通话视频中，您告诉参与者，如有与向您拥有并控制的实体转移资金有关的问题，应与您的代理人 William Je 交谈，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生：Will，请您——我请您将下一份证物标记为证物 9，我相信这是一条日期为 May 10, 2017 的推文。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR 证物 9 已被接收并标记以供识别。）\n\nH. Kwok 页码 82\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，您在这份证物中认出自己了吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您发布的推文的真实、准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，郭先生，在这条来自 May 10, 2017 的推文中，您称您正在发布“我送给女儿并以她名字命名的游艇”的照片，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在这条推文中还写道：“我以 EUR 41 million 购买了 Lady May”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您看到下方了吗，如果我们向下滚动，还有一条来自 August 27, 2017 的推文。\n\n您看到了吗，郭先生？\n\n答：Wang 女士，问题是什么？\n\n问：您是否看到下方那条来自 August 27, 2017 的推文，即在那张您照片所在推文的下方？\n\nH. Kwok 页码 83\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：您是否看到——而且这是您于 August 27, 2017 发布的推文的真实、准确副本，郭先生？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在这条推文中将 Lady May 称为“我的船”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：而且这些文字是您写的，对吗，郭先生？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在这条推文中还写道：“这是两年前，当时我在迈阿密，刚刚签署了我一生中最重要的投资合同”，感叹号。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是与谁签署了您一生中最重要的投资合同？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是代表自己签署该投资合同，而不是作为任何他人的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n问：郭先生，您如何处置了因签署该投资合同而获得的资产？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一家名为“HCHK Property Management Inc.（HCHK 物业管理公司）”的实体，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，为记录在案，就我今天向您展示的视频证物而言，如果我将这些视频描述为真实、正确的录像，而非真实、正确的副本，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：就这个问题，问题是什么？\n\n问：就我们今天看过的视频证物而言，即证物 5、6、7 和 8，我问您它们是否为真实、正确的副本。\n\n我想知道的是，如果我同样问您这些视频是否为真实、准确的录像，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一家名为“HCHK Technologies Inc.（HCHK 技术公司）”的实体，对吗？\n\n口译员：HCHK Technologies, Inc.，这是公司的名称吗？\n\nH. Kwok 页码 85\n\nLUFT 先生：是的，女士。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，一名叫 Elliot Dordick（埃利奥特·多迪克）的人与 HCHK Technologies, Inc. 和 HCHK Property Management, Inc. 有关联，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Dordick 先生就本案第 11 章受托人所作出和采取的一切行动及陈述，（听不清），均是依照您的指示并在您的控制下作出的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：我提出异议。再次强调，我们似乎已经远远超出了本对抗程序中任何事项的范围。\n\n请回答这个问题，但除非提出证明要约，否则我将开始指示证人不要回答这一系列问题。\n\n请回答。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，除 Lady May 外，您还拥有并控制第二艘名为 Lady May II（“五月花女士二号”）的船，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok 页码 86\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Lady May II 与 Lady May 一样，也是您破产财产的一项资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May II 目前位于何处？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）此前曾担任您的律师，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Podhaskie 先生是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Podhaskie 先生曾作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Podhaskie 先生作为 Golden Spring（黄金之泉）的律师所采取的一切行动，实际上均是依照您的指示并为您的利益而采取的行动，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Daniel Podhaskie 就 Golden Spring、Leading Shine Limited（领尚有限公司）、Saraca Media Group（萨拉卡媒体集团）、Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）、Rule of Law Society（法治协会）以及 Sherry-Netherland（谢里-内瑟兰）公寓所采取的一切行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok 页码 87\n\nLeading Shine Limited、Saraca Media Group、Greenwich Land LLC、Rule of Law Society 以及 Sherry-Netherland 公寓所采取的一切行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Anthony D'Battista（安东尼·德巴蒂斯塔）也是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：D'Battista 先生就其与 Saraca Media 的所有 G 实体有关的工作，作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n（书记员澄清。）\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，D'Battista 先生就其与 G 实体有关的一切活动，作为您的代理人并依照您的指示行事；我所说的 G 实体是指 G Fashion、G Music、G Club、Getter，以及 Saraca Media，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道 Fiona Yu（俞菲奥娜）是谁，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：您指示 Fiona Yu 在就向您的律师 Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯）咨询有关向您的债权人隐匿 Lady May 的法律意见时，作为您的代理人发言，对吗？\n\n共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok 页码 88\n\n在她与您的律师 Hodgson Russ 讨论此事时，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，同样地，Yu 女士就 ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA 资本集团有限公司）所采取的一切行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，郭先生，您任命 Fiona Yu 为 ACA Capital Group Limited 的公司秘书；该实体由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Karen Maistrello（凯伦·梅斯特雷洛）是另一名就您的商业交易作为您的代理人行事的人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生：为记录在案，Maistrello 拼写为 M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O。\n\n证人：我需要回答吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：不。我只是向法庭书记员提供该信息，郭先生。您无需做任何事。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Maistrello 女士是您的雇员，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok 页码 89\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道一名叫 Han Chunguang（韩春光）的人吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Eastern Profit Limited（东方利润有限公司）是以您女儿 Mei Guo 的名义设立的实体，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，郭先生，Chunguang 先生就 Eastern Profit 采取的一切行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Chunguang 先生就与您有关的任何实体有关的一切事务，作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：我提出异议。我们再次远远偏离了 HK 对抗程序中相对狭窄的指控范围。\n\nLUFT 先生：我不同意。这是另一家以 Guo 女士名义设立的实体。\n\nROMNEY 先生：另一家实体？\n\n共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n·2· 拉夫特先生：是的。与一种一贯的活动模式和做法相一致。\n\n·4· 罗姆尼先生：你可以回答这个问题。\n\n·5· 我想，这已经相当偏离主题了。我尚未以相关性为由指示证人不要回答问题。基于相关性，我是在告诉你，这个问题已经很接近界限了。\n\n·9· 继续。\n\n10· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n11· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n12· 问：我向韩先生道歉。有人告诉我，Han（韩）是他的姓氏。\n\n14· 郭先生，当我提到Han Chunguang（韩春光）时，你理解我所指的是谁，并且Han（韩）是姓氏，对吗？\n\n17· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n18· 问：郭先生，在作出这一澄清后，这是否会改变你先前就韩春光先生作出的任何回答？\n\n21· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n22· 问：郭女士，Lady May（“五月花女士”号）并非你拥有并控制、且登记在你女儿名下的唯一一艘——并非唯一一艘船只，对吗？\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第91页\n\n·2· 罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·3· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n·4· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n·5· 问：郭先生，你是Whitecroft Shores Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）的受益所有人并且——控制该公司；该公司是一家登记在你女儿名下的BVI corporation（英属维尔京群岛公司），对吗？\n\n·8· 罗姆尼先生：刚才那一句的音频变得模糊了。\n\n10· 拉夫特先生：当然。我很乐意再问一遍。\n\n12· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n13· 问：郭先生，你是Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）的受益所有人并控制该公司；该公司是一家登记在你女儿Mei Guo（郭美）名下的BVI corporation（英属维尔京群岛公司），对吗？\n\n17· 罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n18· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n19· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n20· 问：郭先生，你将你的资产Bombardier Global XRS（一架庞巴迪环球XRS飞机），序列号为9189的飞机，置入Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）名下，对吗？\n\n23· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n24· 问：郭先生，尽管该飞机始终登记在Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）名下，但你是该飞机的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第92页\n\n·2· 问：郭先生，尽管该飞机始终登记在Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）名下，但你是该飞机的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n·4· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n·5· 问：郭先生，同样地，你是Airbus ACJ319（一架空中客车ACJ319飞机）的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n·7· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n·8· 问：郭先生，用于购买Bombardier Global XRS（庞巴迪环球XRS）和Airbus ACJ319（空中客车ACJ319）的全部资金均属于你，对吗？\n\n11· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n12· 罗姆尼先生：Avi，我确实认为我们需要开始往下进行。我明白你的观点，也理解你的观点。你试图证明某种行为模式。我不是说我同意，但我理解你所采取的概念。但我认为，在几乎完全相同的问题中深入探究多个实体的多层结构，正变得极其重复，超出了Rule 26（规则第26条）的范围，并且到了近似骚扰行为的地步。\n\n23· 我这么说并非不敬；我只是这么说，以便我们大家在今天之后能够继续生活，或者今天就能继续生活，因为这已经极其超出范围了。\n\n共105页\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n·2· 这已经极其超出范围了。\n\n·4· 拉夫特先生：好。我听到了你的观点。我不同意你。不过，我认为你理解我试图说明的观点，以及我为何认为这很相关。\n\n·8· 我会尽量快速推进。我认为剩下的不多了，我会尽量迅速推进。\n\n11· 罗姆尼先生：谢谢。\n\n12· 拉夫特先生：好。\n\n13· 罗姆尼先生：好的。\n\n14· 拉夫特先生：再问几个实体和几个人，我想我们就可以了。\n\n17· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n18· 问：郭先生，你熟悉一名叫作Zhang Wei（张伟）的人，对吗？\n\n20· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n21· 问：郭先生，张伟就与你有关的任何资产或实体采取的任何行动，都是依照你的指示并在你的控制下采取的，对吗？\n\n25· 罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第94页\n\n·2· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n·3· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n·4· 问：郭先生，张伟从未是Genever Holdings LLC（Genever控股有限责任公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\n·6· （记者澄清。）\n\n·7· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n·8· 问：张伟从未是Genever，G-E-N-E-V-E-R，Holdings LLC（控股有限责任公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\n10· 罗姆尼先生：对该问题提出异议。该问题与另一项正在进行的程序有关，Guo女士和HKI（HKI）显然已经是该程序的当事人。这超出了本对抗程序的范围。\n\n15· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n16· 问：郭先生，你可以回答。\n\n17· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n18· 问：郭先生，我们此前谈到过Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司）。\n\n20· 张伟先生从未是Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\n22· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n23· 问：这是关于此事的最后一个问题，然后我会继续。\n\n25· 张伟先生从未是Genever Holdings Corporation（Genever控股公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n·3· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n·4· 问：郭先生，你是Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）的受益所有人并控制该公司，对吗？\n\n·6· 罗姆尼先生：我将提出异议，并指示证人不要回答。该——该实体与本对抗程序中的任何一方均无关联。\n\n10· 拉夫特先生：那么，Aaron，让我先打下更多基础，然后，希望你会理解，好吗？\n\n13· 罗姆尼先生：好。\n\n14· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n15· 问：郭先生，Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）和Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）均曾就Lady May（“五月花女士”号）采取行动，该等行动与他们代表你在Golden Spring（黄金泉）所担任的职务有关，对吗？\n\n19· 罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n20· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n21· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n22· 问：郭先生，克拉斯纳先生和王女士还同时在Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）担任职务，对吗？\n\n25· 证人：抱歉。我又得去洗手间了。我的肚子又在响。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG全球速记报告） 877-702-9580\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第96页\n\n·2· 证人：抱歉。我又得去洗手间了。我的肚子又在响。\n\n·4· 拉夫特先生：好。郭先生，我需要你先回答这个问题，因为在问题尚待回答时我们不能休息，不过之后我会让你休息。\n\n·8· 答：我刚刚已经回答过这个问题了，援引第五修正案。\n\n·9· 拉夫特先生：好。我们休息一下，你可以去洗手间。\n\n11· 摄像员：现在于下午3:37停止记录。\n\n13· （休庭。）\n\n14· 摄像员：现在于下午3:43恢复记录。\n\n16· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n17· 问：郭先生，我再问你一次，你是Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）的受益所有人并控制该公司，对吗？\n\n20· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n21· 问：好。郭先生，我请求将该文件——\n\n23· 拉夫特先生：Will，请将题为“Declaration of Trust and Agreement”（《信托声明及协议》）的文件标记为Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 10（郭文贵PJR证言证据10）。Will，请将该文件展示出来。该文件在标签211处。\n\n·3· （Kwok PJR Exhibit 10（郭文贵PJR证据10）于本日收取并标记供识别。）\n\n·5· 拉夫特先生：Will，请转到最后一页。\n\n·7· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n·8· 问：郭先生，你认得这份文件吗？\n\n·9· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n10· 问：郭先生，你在这一页——最后一页——上看到你的签名了吗？\n\n12· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n13· 问：郭先生，这份信托协议，即——据称的信托协议，已被标记为证据10，在2015年3月6日购买Sherry-Netherland apartment（雪莉-荷兰公寓）完成交割时并不存在，对吗？\n\n18· 罗姆尼先生：我将提出异议。该文件再次成为争议的标的。该文件是另一对抗程序中直接争议的问题，而该程序的当事人未在此处。我看不出该文件与HK USA（HK美国）或Guo女士有任何意义或相关性。\n\n25· 拉夫特先生：嗯，签订Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司）的实体，与据称为购买Lady May（“五月花女士”号）和Sherry-Netherland apartment（雪莉-荷兰公寓）提供资金的实体是同一实体。我认为这具有直接相关性。我很乐意不在这上面花太多时间，但我希望得到对我的问题的回答。\n\n共105页\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n·2· 拉夫特先生：嗯，签订Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司）的实体，与据称为购买Lady May（“五月花女士”号）和Sherry-Netherland apartment（雪莉-荷兰公寓）提供资金的实体是同一实体。我认为这具有直接相关性。我很乐意不在这上面花太多时间，但我希望得到对我的问题的回答。\n\n·8· 答：援引第五修正案。\n\n·9· 拉夫特先生：郭先生，我们何不休息五分钟。我可能已经问完了。所以让我看一下我的笔记。可以吗？\n\n12· 摄像员：现在于下午3:47停止记录。\n\n14· （休庭。）\n\n15· 摄像员：现在于下午3:54恢复记录。\n\n17· 拉夫特先生：郭先生，你的律师和我已经讨论过这样一种想法：如果法院同意，可不要求你在PJR听证会上作现场证言，而使用这份证言记录。我希望法院会同意。\n\n23· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n24· 问：但我只想问，如果由于任何原因你必须在本次听证会上作现场证言，并被问到今天向你提出的相同问题，你会作出相同的回答吗？\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1604-48 提交于 03/27/23 录入于 03/27/23 14:12:10 第100页\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n·2· 问：但我只想问，如果由于任何原因你必须在本次听证会上作现场证言，并被问到今天向你提出的相同问题，你会作出相同的回答吗？\n\n·5· 罗姆尼先生：我是否理解正确：该问题假定不存在异议，或不存在未被维持的异议？\n\n·8· 这是对该问题的恰当限定吗？\n\n10· 拉夫特先生：我的问题假定，你并未放弃对今天你提出异议的任何问题提出异议的权利。\n\n13· 罗姆尼先生：谢谢。\n\n14· 口译员：证人刚刚说“是”。刚才没有被口译。\n\n16· 拉夫特先生：好。\n\n17· 拉夫特先生询问：\n\n18· 问：为明确起见，郭先生，你对我问题的回答是“是”吗？\n\n20· 答：是。\n\n21· 拉夫特先生：郭先生，目前我没有其他问题要问你。非常感谢你今天抽出时间。\n\n24· 罗姆尼先生：谢谢。我没有要问证人的问题。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG全球速记报告） 877-702-9580\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第100页\n\n证人：我还想借此机会向在场的各位致谢——向今天在这里的每一位表示感谢。很抱歉，因为我感到不适，耽误了大家不少时间。\n\n但我想感谢各位提出的所有专业问题，也想向各位口译员致谢，包括Wang女士（王女士）和Luyi（路易），以及庭审记录员、今天在场的所有律师和我们的摄像师。\n\n此外，我也想请你们代我向信托机构和Luc先生（卢克先生）问好，并转达我的问候。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特先生）：我一定会转达这些问候，Kwok先生（郭文贵），并附和您对庭审记录员、摄像师和译员的感谢，他们今天都完成了非常出色的工作。谢谢。\n\n摄像师：至此，证言记录结束。现在于下午3:59停止记录。\n\n（证言记录继续——下一页）\n\n第101页\n\nLUFT先生：常设命令。\n\nROMNEY先生（罗姆尼先生）：我们要一份副本，但不要速记稿。\n\nSONG女士（宋女士）：同样。\n\nROMNEY先生：我们也将要求取得一份视频副本。\n\n（记录时间：下午3:59）\n\n____________________________\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）\n\n于2023年 月 日\n在本人面前签署并宣誓。\n_______________________\n\n第102页\n\n证明书\n\n康涅狄格州 )\n:\nss\n\n本人，Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M.·肖-克罗克特），纽约州、新泽西州和康涅狄格州境内及其辖区内的持证庭审记录员、注册优异记录员和公证人，特此证明：\n\n上述所载证言记录中的证人HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）已由本人依法宣誓，该证言记录为该证人所作证言的真实记录。\n\n本人进一步证明，本人与本案任何一方均无血缘或婚姻关系，且本人对本事项的结果不具有任何利益关系。\n\n特此证明，本人于2023年3月2日签字于此。\n\nANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT（安吉拉·M.·肖-克罗克特），CCR，CRR，RMR，CSR\n执照编号：XI00218400\n\n第103页\n\n目 录\nLUFT先生 7\n\n证物\n（由庭审记录员保管）\n证言记录 证物 页码\n证物1 信托声明 19\n证物2 UBS账户对账单，Bravo Luck Ltd.（布拉沃幸运有限公司），Bates编号UBS00137\n UBS02746 证物3 电汇，2015年3月15日，Bates编号 63\n证物4 协议裁定 69\n证物5 Vice（Vice）的视频 74\n证物6 视频 76\n证物7 视频 77\n证物8 视频 80\n证物9 推文，日期为May 10, 2017 82\n证物10 信托声明及协议 97\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1604-48 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 105\n\nof 105\n\n案名：关于Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）案\n证言记录日期：March 2, 2023\n证人姓名：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）\n理由代码：\n1. 澄清记录。\n2. 使之符合事实。\n3. 更正誊录错误。\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n从______________________至___________________________\n\n__________________________________\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）","key_entities":["Kwok","Je","Guo","Himalaya","Ho Wan Kwok","William Je","Saraca","CIPA","HCHK","Paul Hastings"],"ecf_references":[{"doc_number":299,"court":"CTB"}],"word_count":33240,"status":"published","published_at":"2023-03-27 00:00:00","created_at":"2023-03-27","updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:51:04"}