{"id":"court_ctb_1797_18","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":1797,"sub_number":18,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2023-05-16","title":"Exhibit 18 | 1 | Page 1","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **Exhibit 18**\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 2 of\n\n105\n\n| 1 | Page 1 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | 2· ·UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT |\n| | 3· ·DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT |\n| | 4· ·BRIDGEPORT DIVISION |\n| | 5· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| | 6· ·In Re: |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Chapter 11
7· · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK,· · · · · · · · · Case No. |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 22-50073 (JAM)
8· · · · · · · · · · · ·Debtor. |\n| | 9· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| 10 | |\n| | 11· · · ·REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · ·Thursday, March 2, 2023 |\n| 13 | |\n| 14 | |\n| 15 | |\n| | 16· ·Reported by: |\n| | 17· ·Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR |\n| | 18· ·Job 222883 |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| | · · ·22 |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\nPage 2 3· · · · · · · · · · March 2, 2023 4· · · · · · · · · ·10:28 a.m. 6· · REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK, 7· · before Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court 8· · Reporter, Certified Realtime Reporter, Registered 9· · Merit Reporter and Notary Public of the States of 10· · New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut.\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 4 of\n\n105\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | ·2· ·R E M O T E· ·A P P E A R A N C E S: | |\n| | ·3· ·PAUL HASTINGS LLP
· · · · · · Attorneys for TRUSTEE | |\n| | ·4· · · · · 200 Park Avenue
· · · · · · New York, New York· 10166 | |\n| ·5 | · · ·BY:· AVRAM LUFT, ESQ. | |\n| | ·6· · · · DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ.
· · · · · WILL FARMER, ESQ. | |\n| ·7 | | |\n| | ·8· ·CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC
· · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL | |\n| | ·9· · · · · MEI GUO
· · · · · · One Boland Drive | |\n| | 10· · · · · West Orange, New Jersey 07052 | |\n| | 11· ·BY:· ·PATRICIA BERGAMASCO, ESQ. | |\n| 12 | | |\n| | 13· ·ZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C.
· · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL | |\n| | 14· · · · · MEI GUO
· · · · · · 10 Middle Street | |\n| | 15· · · · · Bridgeport, Connecticut· 06604 | |\n| | 16· ·BY:· ·AARON ROMNEY, ESQ. | |\n| 17 | | |\n| | 18· ·ALSO PRESENT:· Matthew Chin-Quee, The Videographer | |\n| | 19· · · · · · · · · Luyi Song, Law Clerk, Paul Hastings | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · · · Jingyi Wang, Mandarin Interpreter | |\n| | 21· · · · · · · · · Una Wilkinson, Mandarin Check Interpreter | |\n| | 22· · · · · · **· · · · · · · **· · · · · · · ·** | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nPage 4 ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Good morning.· My name ·3· ·is Matthew Chin-Quee.· I'm a legal videographer ·4· ·in association with TSG Reporting.· I won't be ·5· ·in the same room with the witness.· I'll record ·6· ·the deposition remotely.· The reporter, ·7· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett also will not be in the ·8· ·same room and will swear the witness remotely. ·9· · · · Do parties stipulate to the validity of 10· ·the video recording and remote swearing and 11· ·that it will be admissible in the courtroom as 12· ·if it had been taken following Rule 30 of the 13· ·Federal Rules of Civil Procedures and the 14· ·state's rules where the case is pending? 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· This is Avi Luft on behalf of 16· ·the Chapter 11 trustee, and we agree. 17· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, Aaron Romney, 18· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on behalf of the debtor, the 19· ·witness.· We agree. 20· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Patricia Bergamasco on 21· ·behalf of Mei Guo and HK International. 22· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. 23· · · · This is the -- 24· · · · MR. LUFT:· You agree? 25· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes.· My apologies.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 5 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | |\n| ·3· · · · This is the start of tape number 1 of the | |\n| ·4· ·videotaped deposition of Ho Wan Kwok in the | |\n| ·5· ·matter In Re: Ho Wan Kwok in the United States | |\n| ·6· ·Bankruptcy Court District of Connecticut | |\n| ·7· ·Bridgeport Division, number 22-50073 (JAM). | |\n| ·8· ·The parties have agreed to appear remotely on | |\n| ·9· ·March 2, 2023, at approximately 10:28 a.m. | |\n| 10· · · · My name is Matthew Chin-Quee from | |\n| 11· ·TSG Reporting, and I'm the legal video | |\n| 12· ·specialist.· The court reporter is | |\n| 13· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett, in association with | |\n| 14· ·TSG Reporting. | |\n| 15· · · · Will all counsel please introduce | |\n| 16· ·yourself. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Hi.· This is Avi Luft of | |\n| 18· ·Paul Hastings.· I represent the Chapter 11 | |\n| 19· ·trustee in, in Re: Ho Wan Kwok.· Along with me | |\n| 20· ·are my colleagues Douglass Barron, Will Farmer, | |\n| 21· ·and Luyi Song, who is a law clerk. | |\n| 22· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Aaron Romney, | |\n| 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler.· I represent the Debtor | |\n| 24· ·Mr. Kwok in the main bankruptcy case.· Also | |\n| 25· ·representing him in his capacity as a witness | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 7 of\n\n105\n\n| Page 6
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · today in this adversary proceeding.· I do also | |\n| ·3· · · · have an appearance on behalf of Mei Guo and | |\n| ·4· · · · HKI USA in this adversary proceeding. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· This is Patricia | |\n| ·6· · · · Bergamasco from Zeisler & Zeisler, representing | |\n| ·7· · · · Mei Guo and HK International USA in the | |\n| | |\n| ·8· · · · adversary proceeding. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·Will the court reporter please swear in | |\n| 11· · · · the Interpreter and the witness. | |\n| 12· ·J I N G Y I· ·W A N G, | |\n| 13· · · · · having been first duly sworn by a Notary | |\n| 14· · · · · Public within and for the State of New York, | |\n| 15· · · · · translated the questions from | |\n| 16· · · · · English to Mandarin and the answers | |\n| 17· · · · · from Mandarin to English under oath as | |\n| 18· · · · · follows: | |\n| 19· · Ho Wan Kwok, having been called as a witness, having been | |\n| 20· ·first duly sworn (through an Interpreter),· was examined and | |\n| 21· ·testified as follows: | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· And just a note from the | |\n| 24· · · · Interpreter.· The Interpreter has received the | |\n| 25· · · · link, and the realtime is now working. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 7 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. ·3· ·EXAMINATION ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Good morning, Mr. Kwok.· How are you? ·6· · · · A.· ·I'm very well, Counsel.· How are you this ·7· ·morning? ·8· · · · Q.· ·I'm well.· Thank you for asking. ·9· · · · · · ·Before we start, I'm going to read through 10· ·the terms that counsel has agreed to with regard to 11· ·this remote deposition today.· There are multiple, 12· ·so I think what I will do, I will pause after each 13· ·one so that the Interpreter has an opportunity to 14· ·just translate it.· I'm not looking for an answer, 15· ·I'm just more just stating what they are.· But I 16· ·think that will be easier. 17· · · · · · ·Trustee has agreed to take the debtor's 18· ·deposition remotely today based on the following 19· ·agreements agreed to by debtor's counsel, on his 20· ·behalf:· First, HK USA and Ms. Mei Guo no longer 21· ·intend to call the debtor to offer testimony on 22· ·their behalf and have removed him from their list of 23· ·intended hearing witnesses.\n\n24· · · · · · ·The taking of this deposition remotely is 25· ·based on the understanding that other than questions\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 9 of\n\n105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 8 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· ·regarding Mr. Kwok's name, his address, and | |\n| ·3· ·identifying who his family members are, it is the | |\n| ·4· ·debtor's intention to assert his Fifth Amendment | |\n| ·5· ·rights to any questions posed at this deposition. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to assert -- to | |\n| ·7· ·not -- excuse me.· Let me strike that. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to not assert his | |\n| ·9· ·Fifth Amendment rights and, instead, answer the | |\n| 10· ·questions, this is a breach of the agreement to | |\n| 11· ·conduct his deposition remotely, and his deposition | |\n| 12· ·will immediately be taken in person.· Both sides are | |\n| 13· ·clear that deciding to not answer a question by | |\n| 14· ·asserting his Fifth Amendment rights is not an | |\n| 15· ·option for the debtor to consider at this time. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·The remote deposition is being offered in | |\n| 17· ·good faith because the debtor requested it, not | |\n| 18· ·because of need or the trustee's acknowledgment that | |\n| 19· ·a remote deposition of the debtor is appropriate | |\n| 20· ·here or going forward.· And any attempt to | |\n| 21· ·substantively answer and not assert his Fifth | |\n| 22· ·Amendment rights is a breach of this agreement. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·I'm sorry.· We're going to need to go off | |\n| 24· ·the record.· My computer just crashed.· I apologize. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 10 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 9 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· ·record at 10:37 a.m. | |\n| ·3· · · · (Recess.) | |\n| ·4· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| ·5· ·record at 10:45 a.m. | |\n| ·6· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will keep going with the | |\n| ·7· ·stipulations.· Sorry for the technical issue. | |\n| ·8· · · · The debtor must be physically within the | |\n| ·9· ·jurisdiction of the court, meaning within | |\n| 10· ·100 miles of the court, when the deposition is | |\n| 11· ·taken.· No one other than the debtor's | |\n| 12· ·interpreter and his attorney from | |\n| 13· ·Zeisler & Zeisler may be in the room with the | |\n| 14· ·debtor when he is deposed.· The debtor may not | |\n| 15· ·communicate with anyone other than his counsel | |\n| 16· ·from Zeisler & Zeisler when the deposition is | |\n| 17· ·on the record. | |\n| 18· · · · The debtor's interpreter is not to | |\n| 19· ·communicate with the debtor while we are on the | |\n| 20· ·record.· The only interpreter is the official | |\n| 21· ·one, Ms. Jingyi Wang.· The debtor's interpreter | |\n| 22· ·is there to help the debtor communicate with | |\n| 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on breaks and to advise | |\n| 24· ·Zeisler & Zeisler regarding the translation | |\n| 25· ·while the deposition is ongoing.· The debtor's | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 11 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 10 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·interpreter is not to speak on the record. | |\n| ·3· · · · The debtor is to have access to no devices | |\n| ·4· ·that can send or receive messages while the | |\n| ·5· ·deposition is on the record.· The debtor is not | |\n| ·6· ·to send or read messages during the deposition | |\n| ·7· ·while it is on the record. | |\n| ·8· · · · Are we -- all counsel, are we all still in | |\n| ·9· ·agreement as to these stipulated agreements? | |\n| 10· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes.· That's correct.· The | |\n| 11· ·only qualification I would say is, to the | |\n| 12· ·extent I need to say something on the record | |\n| 13· ·that requires the debtor to understand | |\n| 14· ·Ms. Wilkinson -- to the extent I need to | |\n| 15· ·communicate with the debtor, it will be through | |\n| 16· ·Ms. Wilkinson. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, while we're on the | |\n| 18· ·record, I'd ask that you use Ms. Wang to speak | |\n| 19· ·to the debtor.· To extent you need to speak to | |\n| 20· ·him about privilege, let's go off the record, | |\n| 21· ·in which case, you can use Ms. Wilkinson | |\n| 22· ·however you need to, to speak to him. | |\n| 23· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Sure.· I think that's | |\n| 24· ·generally correct.· To the extent that, like in | |\n| 25· ·a typical setting, where I would say something | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 12 of 105\n\n| Page 11
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · to a client on the record without taking a |\n| ·3· · · · break to determine if a break is necessary, it |\n| ·4· · · · may need to be through Ms. Wilkinson, but I'm |\n| ·5· · · · not anticipating any issues. |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·And Ms. Bergamasco, you remain in |\n| ·8· · · · agreement to these terms? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Can you repeat that? |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just confirming that your firm |\n| 11· · · · remains in agreement to the terms that have |\n| 12· · · · been agreed upon that I have just set forth. |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been extremely patient. |\n| 17· ·Thank you for that. |\n| 18· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, can I ask you to state your name |\n| 19· ·and your residence for the record? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·My Chinese name is Kwok Ho Wan.· My |\n| 21· ·address is on the Fifth Avenue in New York.· It's |\n| 22· ·the Sherry-Netherlands, but I can't remember the |\n| 23· ·exact number.· It's either 768 or 769. |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, are you in that address |\n| 25· ·right now? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 12
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I know you've been | |\n| ·4· ·deposed before, but I just want to go over some | |\n| ·5· ·basic ground rules just so we are on the same page; | |\n| ·6· ·is that okay? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you understand that you're | |\n| ·9· ·testifying under oath today? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·And by that, all your -- any testimony you | |\n| 12· ·offer must be truthful. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Do you understand that? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Is there any reason that you cannot offer | |\n| 16· ·truthful testimony today? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, can we have an agreement that if | |\n| 19· ·any of my questions are not clear to you, you will | |\n| 20· ·ask me -- you will let me know and ask me to | |\n| 21· ·clarify? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Thank you very much. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, if you don't tell me that | |\n| 24· ·something is unclear, could we have an agreement | |\n| 25· ·that I can assume that you understand my question? | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 1797-18 | Filed 05/16/23 | Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 | Page 14 |\n|---------------|-------------|----------------|---------------------------|---------|\n| | | of 105 | | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 13 |\n|--------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay.· That's fine. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is anyone in the room with you | |\n| ·4· ·today? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·My attorney and the Interpreter, Una. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Is your attorney Mr. Romney? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·I only know him by Aaron.· I'm not sure | |\n| | ·8· ·about his other name. | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, that is you, | |\n| 10· · · · correct? | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, it is me, Avi.· Aaron | |\n| 12· · · · Romney. | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·And your interpreter is Una Wilkinson, | |\n| 15· ·correct? | | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Is there anyone else in the room with you | |\n| 18· ·today? | | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is the name of your | |\n| 21· ·daughter? | | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Kwok Mei. | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·And what is the name of your son? | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·Kwok Qiang. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Does he sometimes also go by the name | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 15 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 14 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Mileson Kwok? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·And what is name of your wife? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Yu Chang Chu. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, did you do anything to prepare | |\n| ·7· ·for your deposition today? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Did you meet with counsel to prepare for | |\n| 10· ·your deposition today? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you review any documents in | |\n| 13· ·preparation for your deposition today? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Did you review anything to refresh your | |\n| 16· ·recollection for your deposition today? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·At this point, Mr. Kwok, we're going to | |\n| 19· ·shift to the substantive part of your deposition to | |\n| 20· ·which I understand it is your intention to plead the | |\n| 21· ·Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·I ask that you just let me finish asking | |\n| 23· ·my question and allow the translator to fully | |\n| 24· ·translate it before you make any such assertion, | |\n| 25· ·okay? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the Lady May | |\n| | ·4· ·was purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong | |\n| | ·5· ·International Funds Investments Limited, which I | |\n| | ·6· ·will also refer to as \"HK International,\" you have | |\n| | ·7· ·been the beneficial owner of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I assert the Fifth. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| | 10· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, | |\n| | 11· ·you, the debtor, have been the equitable owner of | |\n| | 12· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·I plead the Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| | 15· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, | |\n| | 16· ·you have controlled the Lady May? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| | 19· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong | |\n| | 20· ·International, you have been the legal owner of the | |\n| | 21· ·Lady May? | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, what is the | |\n| | 23· · · · question?· Is that the question whether I am? | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes. | |\n| 25 | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 17 of 105\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 16 | |\n|---------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is my statement correct? | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need Mei Guo's | | |\n| | ·6· ·permission to board the Lady May, correct? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | | |\n| | ·9· ·permission to use the Lady May, correct? | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | | |\n| | 12· ·permission to direct the crew of the Lady May to | | |\n| | 13· ·navigate the Lady May from location to location, | | |\n| 14· ·correct? | | | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | |\n| | 17· ·establishment of Hong Kong International Funds | | |\n| | 18· ·Investment Limited, you have been its beneficial | | |\n| 19· ·owner, correct? | | | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | |\n| | 22· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its | | |\n| | 23· ·equitable owner, correct? | | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 18 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 17 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·establishment of HK International, you have | | |\n| ·3· ·controlled HK International, correct? | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | |\n| ·6· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its | | |\n| ·7· ·legal owner, correct? | | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | |\n| 10· ·establishment of HK International, it has been -- it | | |\n| 11· ·has been your alter ego, correct? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Counsel, could you | | |\n| 13· · · · please explain \"alter ego\"? | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just translate the term.· It's | | |\n| 15· · · · a legal term. | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I've got the legal term. | | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· The Fifth. | | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an entity | | |\n| 21· ·called \"HK International Funds Investment USA | | |\n| 22· ·Limited,\" or I may refer to it as \"HK USA,\" correct? | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | |\n| 25· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 19 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 18 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·beneficial owner, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| ·5· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its equitable | |\n| ·6· ·owner, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| ·9· ·establishment of HK USA, you have controlled it, | |\n| 10· ·correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| 13· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its legal | |\n| 14· ·owner, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| 17· ·establishment of HK USA, it has been your alter ego, | |\n| 18· ·correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know an individual named | |\n| 21· ·Natasha Qu, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer of HK International | |\n| 24· ·to Natasha Qu was done to hide your assets from your | |\n| 25· ·creditors, correct? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 19 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Natasha Qu to | |\n| ·4· ·execute a declaration of trust, governing your | |\n| ·5· ·shares in Hong Kong International on or about | |\n| ·6· ·October 10, 2014, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· At this point, I'd ask the | |\n| ·9· · · · court reporter to mark as Kwok PJR Deposition | |\n| 10· · · · Exhibit 1, a copy of the declaration of trust | |\n| 11· · · · made on the 10th day of October 2014, as well | |\n| 12· · · · as the certified translation we have of it. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·I'll ask my colleague, Mr. Farmer, to post | |\n| 14· · · · that if possible. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 1 was received and | |\n| 16· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, take a minute to review the | |\n| 19· ·Exhibit 1. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, may be the formatting of | |\n| 21· · · · the screen.· I don't see Bates numbers on | |\n| 22· · · · there. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·Have these been produced in connection | |\n| 24· · · · with the PJR proceeding? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· There is no Bates number.· We | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 21 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 20 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · have offered to produce it to you. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm sorry.· I'm not sure what | |\n| ·4· · · · you're referring to. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm done reading it. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is this a true and correct copy | |\n| ·8· ·of the Declaration of Trust you entered into with | |\n| ·9· ·Natasha Kwok [sic] on October 10 -- Natasha Qu, on | |\n| 10· ·October 10, 2014, relating to your shares of Hong | |\n| 11· ·Kong International? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form of the | |\n| 13· · · · question. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the signed copy of Exhibit 1, | |\n| 17· ·the Declaration of Trust, dated October 10, 2014, | |\n| 18· ·was given to your counsel Stevenson, Wong & Co. for | |\n| 19· ·them to retain on your behalf, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the terms of the | |\n| 22· ·Declaration of Trust, even after Hong Kong | |\n| 23· ·International was transferred by you to Natasha Qu, | |\n| 24· ·you still retained control and beneficial ownership | |\n| 25· ·of Hong Kong International and its assets, including | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 22 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 21 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased on | |\n| ·7· ·your behalf, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased for | |\n| 10· ·you to control and beneficially own, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all of the funds used to | |\n| 13· ·purchase the Lady May were funds you owned and | |\n| 14· ·controlled, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you funded the purchase of the | |\n| 17· ·Lady May on February 23, 2015, with funds you | |\n| 18· ·exclusively controlled to an entity named Bravo | |\n| 19· ·Luck, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Bravo Luck is an entity that you | |\n| 22· ·at all times have had exclusive control over, | |\n| 23· ·correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times, you have had | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 23 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 22 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·exclusive control over the assets of Bravo Luck, | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the funds used to | |\n| ·6· ·purchase the Lady May belonged to your son, Mileson | |\n| ·7· ·Kwok, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had the Lady May purchased | |\n| 10· ·by Hong Kong International for your own use, | |\n| 11· ·correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | |\n| 14· ·International to purchase the Lady May with your own | |\n| 15· ·assets to attempt to obscure your ownership of the | |\n| 16· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, when I refer to Bravo Luck, | |\n| 19· ·you understand I'm referring to Bravo Luck Limited, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | |\n| 23· ·International to purchase the Lady May with funds | |\n| 24· ·you owned to shield the Lady May from your | |\n| 25· ·creditors, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 23 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Ms. Qu to transfer | |\n| ·4· ·her purported ownership in Hong Kong International | |\n| ·5· ·to Mei Guo for the consideration of one Hong Kong | |\n| ·6· ·dollar on June 27, 2017, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on | |\n| ·9· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of | |\n| 10· ·HK International to Mei Guo for the consideration of | |\n| 11· ·one Hong Kong dollar in an attempt to obscure your | |\n| 12· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on | |\n| 15· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK | |\n| 16· ·International to Mei Guo for the consideration of | |\n| 17· ·one Hong Kong dollar to try to shield the Lady May | |\n| 18· ·from your creditors, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| 23· ·in control of and the beneficial owner | |\n| 24· ·of HK International, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 24 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Let me just break that up, because there | |\n| ·5· ·was an objection. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·The transfer on June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's | |\n| ·7· ·purported ownership of HK International to Mei Guo | |\n| ·8· ·did not change the fact that you remained in control | |\n| ·9· ·of HK International following that transfer, | |\n| 10· ·correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| 13· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| 14· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| 15· ·the beneficial owner of Hong Kong International | |\n| 16· ·after that transfer, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| 23· ·in control of the Lady May both before and after the | |\n| 24· ·transfer, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 25 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| ·5· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| ·6· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| ·7· ·the beneficial owner of the Lady May both before and | |\n| ·8· ·after the transfer, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you -- and by that, I mean | |\n| 13· ·yourself or through your agents -- directed the | |\n| 14· ·formation of HK International Funds Investments USA | |\n| 15· ·Limited on September 11, 2018, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to | |\n| 18· ·HK USA in an attempt to obscure your ownership of | |\n| 19· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to | |\n| 24· ·HK USA at your direction in an attempt to shield it | |\n| 25· ·from your creditor, correct? | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 27 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 26 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have used the entities | |\n| ·4· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital to pay the expenses | |\n| ·5· ·of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the owner of | |\n| 10· ·Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets owned by Golden | |\n| 15· ·Spring belong to you, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Golden Springs | |\n| 20· ·Limited, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have control of all assets | |\n| 23· ·of Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 28 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 27 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring New York Limited, | |\n| ·3· ·which I've been referring to as \"Golden Spring,\" | |\n| ·4· ·were paid with funds you control, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| ·7· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid with funds | |\n| ·8· ·you owned, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 13· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid at your | |\n| 14· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by | |\n| 17· ·Golden Spring for the Lady May were paid for with | |\n| 18· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the equitable owner of | |\n| 23· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 29 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 28 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the equitable owner of | |\n| ·5· ·Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | |\n| ·8· ·Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| 11· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 14· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with | |\n| 15· ·assets you controlled, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 18· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with | |\n| 19· ·assets that you owned, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 24· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid at your | |\n| 25· ·direction, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 29 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by | |\n| | ·4· ·Lamp Capital related to the Lady May were paid with | |\n| | ·5· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok? | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the assets of | |\n| | 10· ·Lamp Capital belong to Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Mileson Kwok, | |\n| | 11· ·correct? | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| | 16· ·the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no | |\n| | 19· ·control over the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no | |\n| | 22· ·control over the assets of Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nPage 30 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Yvette Wang to take ·4· ·actions on your behalf related to the Lady May and ·5· ·HK USA and HK International, correct? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Max Krasner to take 10· ·actions related to the Lady May, HK International, 11· ·and HK USA on your behalf, correct? 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang 16· ·relating to the Lady May are taken at your 17· ·direction, correct? 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang 22· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, 23· ·correct? 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 31 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner ·4· ·that relate to the Lady May are taken at your ·5· ·direction, correct? ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner ·8· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, ·9· ·correct? 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang 14· ·relating to HK International are taken at your 15· ·direction, correct? 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang 18· ·relating to HK USA are taken at your direction, 19· ·correct? 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang 24· ·relating to HK International are taken on your 25· ·behalf, correct?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 33 of 105\n\nPage 32 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang ·6· ·relating to HK USA are taken on your behalf, ·7· ·correct? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner 12· ·as related to HK International are taken at your 13· ·direction, correct? 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner 18· ·as related to HK USA are taken at your direction, 19· ·correct? 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner 24· ·as related to HK International are taken on your 25· ·behalf, correct?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 34 of 105\n\nPage 33 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner ·6· ·as related to HK USA are taken on your behalf, ·7· ·correct? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Yvette Wang is currently your 12· ·employee, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang has been your employee 15· ·since at least 2015 and up through the present, 16· ·correct? 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang, since at least 2015 19· ·through the present, has acted as your agent, 20· ·correct? 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang currently acts as your 23· ·agent, correct? 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know the current location of\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 35 of 105\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 34 |\n|-------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Ms. Wang, correct? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at what location does Ms. Wang | |\n| ·5· ·currently reside? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner is currently your | |\n| ·8· ·employee, correct? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times Mr. Krasner has had | |\n| | 11· ·any involvement with the Lady May, he has been your | |\n| 12· ·employee, correct? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times that you've had | |\n| | 15· ·involvement with Mr. Krasner, he has acted as your | |\n| 16· ·agent, correct? | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner currently acts as | |\n| | 19· ·your agent, correct? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have Mr. Krasner's current | |\n| | 22· ·contact information, including his address and his | |\n| | 23· ·phone number, correct? | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 36 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 35 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·home address? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current | |\n| ·5· ·phone number? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch | |\n| ·8· ·with Ms. Yvette Wang, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared that | |\n| 11· ·information with the trustee, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the Interpreter ask the | |\n| 14· · · · witness if he needs a break. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch | |\n| 17· ·with Mr. Krasner, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, could you not hear what | |\n| 19· · · · I just placed on the record. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I did not hear you, Aaron. | |\n| 21· · · · Sorry. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Oh, I'm sorry.· I had asked | |\n| 23· · · · if the Interpreter could ask the witness if he | |\n| 24· · · · needs a break. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Oh, okay. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·2· · · · · · ·(Complies.)
·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· It's quite tiring.
I
·4· · · · need a break.
·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Aaron, I have like two
·6· · · · more questions just to finish this.· Could we
·7· · · · just do that, and then we'll take a break?
·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay.
·9· ·BY MR. LUFT:
10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know the contact
11· ·information, including address and phone number, of
12· ·Mr. Krasner currently, correct? | |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared this | |\n| 15· ·information with the trustee, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, if you want to take a | |\n| 18· · · · break now, that's fine.· How long would you | |\n| 19· · · · like? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· How long do you want?· Five, | |\n| 21· · · · ten minutes? | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ten minutes. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Ten minutes? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 38 of 105\n\nPage 37 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · record at 11:47 a.m. ·3· · · · · · ·(Recess.) ·4· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the ·5· · · · record at 12:05 p.m. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate authority with ·8· ·respect to the movements of the Lady May, correct? ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate control over 11· ·where the crew of the Lady May sails the yacht, 12· ·correct? 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the 15· ·Lady May to be sailed from New York to Florida in 16· ·2020, correct? 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from 19· ·New York to Florida in the fall of 2020 because you 20· ·directed that it be done so, correct? 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the 23· ·Lady May to be sailed from Florida to the Bahamas in 24· ·the fall of 2020, correct? 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 39 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 38 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from | |\n| ·3· ·Florida to the Bahamas in the fall of 2020 because | |\n| ·4· ·you instructed the crew for it to do so, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you instructed the Lady May to | |\n| ·7· ·be sailed to Europe in 2021, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason the Lady May was | |\n| 10· ·sailed to Europe in 2021 was because you gave | |\n| 11· ·instructions for that to happen, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave directions for the | |\n| 16· ·Lady May to be sailed to Europe to keep the Lady May | |\n| 17· ·out of the hands of your creditors, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May remained in Europe | |\n| 20· ·until you authorized it to return to the | |\n| 21· ·United States, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the only person who had | |\n| 24· ·the authority to order the Lady May to return to the | |\n| 25· ·United States, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 39 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when you directed the Lady May | |\n| ·4· ·to sail to Europe in 2021, you and your daughter, | |\n| ·5· ·Mei Guo, were aware that doing so would violate | |\n| ·6· ·Ostrager's order and cause you to incur contempt | |\n| ·7· ·fees, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was returned to | |\n| 12· ·Connecticut waters in 2022 only because you directed | |\n| 13· ·that to happen, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an | |\n| 16· ·individual named William Je? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, William Je is a close family | |\n| 19· ·friend, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is referred to by your | |\n| 22· ·daughter as \"Uncle William,\" correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts as an agent, | |\n| 25· ·correct? | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 41 of 105\n\n| | Page 40 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is currently acting as | |\n| ·4· ·your agent in your business dealings, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in April of 2022, Mr. Je -- any | |\n| ·7· ·actions Mr. Je took in relation to the Lady May were | |\n| ·8· ·as your agent, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions Mr. Je takes in | |\n| 11· ·connection with business dealings are taken at your | |\n| 12· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, with regard to any business | |\n| 17· ·dealings involving you and Mr. Je, Mr. Je is under | |\n| 18· ·your control, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts at your direction to | |\n| 21· ·generate funds for you through the use of the | |\n| 22· ·Himalaya Farms, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets purportedly under the | |\n| 25· ·control of William Je are actually assets under your | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 42 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 41 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·control, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any entities purportedly under | |\n| ·7· ·the control of William Je are actually entities | |\n| ·8· ·under your control, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement dated | |\n| 13· ·April 19, 2022, between Himalaya International | |\n| 14· ·Financial Group Limited as lender and HK USA as | |\n| 15· ·borrower was arranged at your request, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Himalaya | |\n| 18· ·International Financial Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I want to speak with my | |\n| 20· · · · attorney now. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Take five. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 25· · · · record at 12:17 p.m. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 42 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · · · ·(Recess.) ·3· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the ·4· · · · record at 12:24 p.m. ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of ·7· ·Himalaya International Financial Group Limited, ·8· ·correct? ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets of Himalaya 11· ·International Financial Group Limited are under your 12· ·control, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the \\$37 million of funds 15· ·Himalaya International Financial Group loaned to 16· ·HK USA were funds that you owned and controlled, 17· ·correct? 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control the \\$37 million that 20· ·was put in escrow by HK USA in connection with this 21· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any repayment by HK USA of the 24· ·principal \\$37 million on account of the purported 25· ·\\$37 million loan from Himalaya International\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 44 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 43 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Financial Group Limited will be made to entities | |\n| ·3· ·that you control, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any payment of interest by | |\n| ·8· ·HK USA on account of the purported \\$37 million loan | |\n| ·9· ·from Himalaya International Financial Group Limited | |\n| 10· ·will be paid to an entity that you control, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the February 7, 2022, | |\n| 15· ·evidentiary hearing before Justice Ostrager of the | |\n| 16· ·Supreme Court of the State of New York, your | |\n| 17· ·interest was for the Court to find HK USA to be the | |\n| 18· ·beneficial owner and to have control of the | |\n| 19· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I didn't catch.· Someone | |\n| 22· · · · mentioned something after the question. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we have the question | |\n| 24· · · · read back. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Could we get it translated, and | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 45 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 44 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · then it can be read back. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· (Complies.) | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we hear the question | |\n| ·5· · · · read back before? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| ·7· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | |\n| 12· ·appeared at the February 7, 2022, evidentiary | |\n| 13· ·hearing, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | |\n| 16· ·helped present your defense at the February 7, 2022, | |\n| 17· ·hearing, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | |\n| 22· ·worked with your counsel at the February 7, 2022, | |\n| 23· ·hearing to prepare for and present your case, | |\n| 24· ·correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 45 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed your counsel for | |\n| ·5· ·the February 7, 2022, evidentiary hearing to enter | |\n| ·6· ·into a common interest agreement with HK USA and | |\n| ·7· ·Mei Guo in connection with that hearing, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to direct the | |\n| ·9· · · · witness not to answer based on the | |\n| 10· · · · attorney-client privilege. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, you know that is | |\n| 12· · · · pre-petition, and thus, any common interest | |\n| 13· · · · belongs to the trustee, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Can the reporter read the | |\n| 15· · · · question, please -- read back the question. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| 17· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA and Mei Guo shared | |\n| 22· ·identical interests to you in the court finding | |\n| 23· ·HK USA was the beneficial owner and had control over | |\n| 24· ·the Lady May for the February 7, 2022, evidentiary | |\n| 25· ·hearing before Justice Ostrager, correct? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 46 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, schedules you had filed in | |\n| ·6· ·connection with your Chapter 11 filing should have | |\n| ·7· ·included your beneficial ownership of the Lady May | |\n| ·8· ·as an asset of your estate, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the schedules you filed in | |\n| 13· ·connection with the Chapter 11 filing should have | |\n| 14· ·included your beneficial ownership of HK USA as an | |\n| 15· ·asset of the estate, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets of Golden Spring and | |\n| 20· ·Lamp Capital that have been used to pay the | |\n| 21· ·Lady May's expenses, including any legal fees | |\n| 22· ·related to it, should have been declared as assets | |\n| 23· ·of the estate on your schedules for your Chapter 11 | |\n| 24· ·filing, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 47 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Golden Spring | |\n| | ·5· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Lamp Capital | |\n| | ·8· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | 11· ·your son Mileson Kwok are really assets of your | |\n| | 12· ·estate, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | 15· ·your daughter Mei Guo are really assets of your | |\n| | 16· ·estate, correct? | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | 21· ·your wife Hing Chi Ngok are actually assets of your | |\n| | 22· ·estate, correct? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 48 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have directed that numerous | |\n| ·4· ·offshore companies, whether located in the BVI, Hong | |\n| ·5· ·Kong, and elsewhere, be set up for purposes of | |\n| ·6· ·holding your assets, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have had these offshore | |\n| ·9· ·companies set up in the name of your children, your | |\n| 10· ·wife, and your business associates, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, regardless of whether any of | |\n| 13· ·these entities are listed in the name of your wife, | |\n| 14· ·your daughter, your son, Ms. Wang, Mr. Krasner, or | |\n| 15· ·any of your other business associates, in fact, you | |\n| 16· ·own and control each of these offshore entities, | |\n| 17· ·correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these | |\n| 22· ·offshore entities set up was to obscure your | |\n| 23· ·ownership of the assets that they held, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 49 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these | |\n| ·4· ·offshore entities set up and placed assets in them | |\n| ·5· ·is to attempt to hide your assets from your | |\n| ·6· ·creditors, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your | |\n| ·9· ·daughter Mei Guo is a member, director, or principal | |\n| 10· ·are actually beneficially owned and controlled by | |\n| 11· ·you, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA, HK International, | |\n| 16· ·Eastern Profit Corporation Limited, Whitecroft Shore | |\n| 17· ·Limited, Anton Development Limited, Anton | |\n| 18· ·Development USA Limited LLC, GM27 LLC, Loss Draft | |\n| 19· ·LLC, Gypsy May Productions LLC, Gypsy May Food | |\n| 20· ·Service LLC, Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC, Hudson | |\n| 21· ·Diamond New York LLC, Allied Capital Global Limited, | |\n| 22· ·Creative Apex Investment Limited, Crystal Breeze | |\n| 23· ·Investments Limited, Elite Well Global Limited, | |\n| 24· ·Globalist International Limited, Infinite Increased | |\n| 25· ·Limited, Infinium Developments Limited, Noble Fame | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 51 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 50 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Global Limited, Rosy Acme Ventures Limited, Leading | |\n| ·3· ·Shine New York Limited, and Leading Shine Limited | |\n| ·4· ·are all assets held in the name of your daughter but | |\n| ·5· ·that you actually own and control, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 10· ·Mei Guo were purchased with funds exclusively owned | |\n| 11· ·and controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the reporter read that | |\n| 13· · · · back before the witness answers. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| 15· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 19· ·Mei Guo are exclusively owned and controlled by you, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | |\n| 25· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 52 of 105\n\n| | Page 51
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, |\n| | ·3· ·were provided by Mei Guo and any entity she owns or |\n| | ·4· ·controls? |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I apologize.· Could we have |\n| | ·6· · · · that one read back as well.· I'm sorry. |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the |\n| | ·8· · · · Reporter.) |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds |\n| | 13· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including |\n| | 14· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, |\n| | 15· ·were provided by any family members of yours |\n| | 16· ·residing in China, correct? |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has no source of income |\n| | 21· ·other than from entities that you own and control, |\n| | 22· ·correct? |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 52 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mei Guo receives from ·4· ·any entity you own and control are gifts from you to ·5· ·her, correct? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mei Guo and any 10· ·entities in her name received from any entity you 11· ·own and control remain funds under your control even 12· ·after being transferred to Ms. Guo, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has never been the CEO 15· ·of Pangu Plaza, correct? 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mileson Kwok has no source of 20· ·income other from entities -- other than from 21· ·entities that you own and control, correct? 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mileson Kwok and 24· ·any entities in his name received from any entity 25· ·you own and control remain funds under your control\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 54 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 53 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·even after being transferred to Mileson Kwok, | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mileson Kwok receives | |\n| ·8· ·from any entity you own and control are gifts from | |\n| ·9· ·you, correct? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | |\n| 14· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | |\n| 15· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, | |\n| 16· ·were provided by Mileson Kwok and any entity he owns | |\n| 17· ·and controls? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your son | |\n| 22· ·Mileson Kwok is named as a member, director or | |\n| 23· ·principal are actually beneficially owned and | |\n| 24· ·controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 54 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Golden Spring New York Limited, | |\n| ·5· ·Lamp Capital LLC, Bravo Luck Limited, Infinity | |\n| ·6· ·Treasury Management, Inc., Saraca Media Group, Inc., | |\n| ·7· ·K Legacy Limited, Well Origin Limited, ACA Hong Kong | |\n| ·8· ·Investment Holdings Group Limited, and | |\n| ·9· ·Powerwell Flowable Limited are all entities held in | |\n| 10· ·the name of your son Miles Kwok, but, in fact, are | |\n| 11· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the entity known as Kingdom Rich | |\n| 16· ·Limited is owned and controlled by you, not your | |\n| 17· ·son, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 20· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | |\n| 21· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 56 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 55 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·your son Mileson Kwok are, in fact, owned and | |\n| ·3· ·controlled by you, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this includes the residence at | |\n| ·8· ·5 Princess Gate, London, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control your son | |\n| 11· ·Mileson Kwok's collection of cars, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, we're getting pretty far | |\n| 14· · · · afield of the issues in this adversary | |\n| 15· · · · proceeding.· I've been giving quite a bit of | |\n| 16· · · · leeway, but I am going to have to start | |\n| 17· · · · directing the witness not to answer, and we'll | |\n| 18· · · · move for a protective order if we have to. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·I don't believe there's any allegations | |\n| 20· · · · concerning cars in the counterclaims that we're | |\n| 21· · · · here discussing today. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree, I think.· But I | |\n| 23· · · · have a couple of wrap-up questions right here, | |\n| 24· · · · and then I think we'll -- my next set of | |\n| 25· · · · questions, I think you'll see -- I don't think | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 56 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · there will be any dispute between us as to | |\n| ·3· · · · their relevance. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | |\n| ·6· ·your son Mileson Kwok are owned or controlled by any | |\n| ·7· ·of your -- his family members other than you, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | |\n| 13· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | |\n| 14· ·owned or controlled by any of its family members | |\n| 15· ·other than you, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on October 3, 2006, you | |\n| 20· ·incorporated a Hong Kong entity named Hong Kong | |\n| 21· ·International Funds Limited, which we've been | |\n| 22· ·referring to as HK International, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time, all assets of Hong | |\n| 25· ·Kong International belonged to you, correct? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 57 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were Hong Kong | |\n| ·6· ·International's sole shareholder and director up to | |\n| ·7· ·and through October 10, 2014, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in October 2014, Natasha Qu, | |\n| 10· ·also known as Qu Guo Jiao was your financial | |\n| 11· ·manager, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Qu handled your financial affairs | |\n| 14· ·at that time, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time Ms. Qu was your | |\n| 17· ·employee and acted as your agent on all matters | |\n| 18· ·relating to your finances, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Declaration of Trust that | |\n| 23· ·was entered into between you and Ms. Qu, which has | |\n| 24· ·been marked as Exhibit 1, identified Ms. Qu as the | |\n| 25· ·trustee and you as the beneficiary, correct? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 58 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that Declaration of Trust which | |\n| ·6· ·has been marked as Exhibit 1, which I'll refer to as | |\n| ·7· ·\"HK International Declaration of Trust,\" was entered | |\n| ·8· ·into with Ms. Qu -- sorry -- that was entered into | |\n| ·9· ·with Ms. Qu, authorized and requested Ms. Qu to hold | |\n| 10· ·your main shares in Hong Kong International, | |\n| 11· ·correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to strike that | |\n| 13· · · · question, because I don't think it came across | |\n| 14· · · · clearly. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the Hong Kong | |\n| 17· ·International Declaration of Trust you entered into | |\n| 18· ·with Ms. Qu, you authorized and requested Ms. Qu to | |\n| 19· ·hold in your name shares in Hong Kong International, | |\n| 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Hong Kong International | |\n| 23· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with | |\n| 24· ·Ms. Qu provides that the shares you transferred to | |\n| 25· ·Ms. Qu do not belong to Ms. Qu, but to you, as the | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 60 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 59 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·beneficiary under the agreement, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the HK International Declaration | |\n| ·7· ·of Trust that you entered into with Ms. Qu provides | |\n| ·8· ·that Ms. Qu would hold the shares in Hong Kong | |\n| ·9· ·International that you transferred to her as nominee | |\n| 10· ·and in trust for you, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the HK International | |\n| 13· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with | |\n| 14· ·Ms. Qu, Ms. Qu was to exercise the rights in | |\n| 15· ·connection with the HK International shares that you | |\n| 16· ·transferred to her solely at your direction, | |\n| 17· ·correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, even after October 10, 2014, you | |\n| 22· ·continued to beneficially own HK International | |\n| 23· ·pursuant to the undisclosed HK International | |\n| 24· ·Declaration of Trust, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.· Also, | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 61 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 60 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · asked and answered. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Asked and answered.· Okay. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, after October 10, 2014, you | |\n| ·7· ·continued to control HK International, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection.· Asked and | |\n| ·9· · · · answered. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I'm quite confused.· You're asking the | |\n| 11· ·same questions.· Every time, the same questions | |\n| 12· ·again and again. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I don't believe I am.· Your | |\n| 15· ·counsel is free to raise an asked-and-answered | |\n| 16· ·objection, even though it is not an appropriate | |\n| 17· ·objection at a deposition.· With that said, he's | |\n| 18· ·free to raise it, but I still will need you to | |\n| 19· ·answer the question. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015, | |\n| 22· ·HK International purchased the Lady May for | |\n| 23· ·EUR 28 million from Apsley Yacht Limited at your | |\n| 24· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 62 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 61 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in February 2015, you | |\n| ·5· ·exclusively beneficially owned and controlled | |\n| ·6· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, today you still beneficially own | |\n| 11· ·and control Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015, Bravo Luck | |\n| 14· ·Limited transferred, at your direction, funds from a | |\n| 15· ·Bravo Luck bank account at UBS that you exclusively | |\n| 16· ·control, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that the court | |\n| 20· · · · reporter mark as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 2, | |\n| 21· · · · document bearing the Bates stamp UBS00137 | |\n| 22· · · · through 156. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·Will, that's tab 190, if you could put it | |\n| 24· · · · up. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 2 was received and | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 63 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 62 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could you make that larger? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a 2015 UBS bank | |\n| ·9· ·statement for Bravo Luck showing funds that you | |\n| 10· ·beneficially owned and controlled in that account, | |\n| 11· ·correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the funds held by -- in that | |\n| 14· ·Bravo Luck account on your behalf at UBS came from | |\n| 15· ·Eastern Profit Corporation in the amount of | |\n| 16· ·370 million and Hong Kong International in the | |\n| 17· ·amount of 150 million, both entities that you owned | |\n| 18· ·and controlled, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask the court reporter to | |\n| 22· · · · mark, as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 3, a | |\n| 23· · · · document Bates-stamped UBS02746. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 3 was received and | |\n| 25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 63 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·This shows the UBS wire transfer of | |\n| ·4· ·25 million for purposes of purchasing the Lady May? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Is that a question?· I didn't | |\n| ·6· · · · know if you were talking. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just setting it up.· I will | |\n| ·8· · · · ask him a question once he can see it, Aaron. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yeah, yeah.· That's -- I just | |\n| 10· · · · wanted clarification.· Thank you. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine.· I didn't want to ask him | |\n| 12· · · · the question before he could see the document. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yep. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·Could you make that a bit bigger, please. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Thank you. | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, first of all, if we scroll down, | |\n| 18· ·do you recognize the signature on the document? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that's your signature, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a UBS wire transfer | |\n| 23· ·document showing the transfer of \\$25 million of | |\n| 24· ·funds from the UBS bank account we just saw a | |\n| 25· ·statement for in Exhibit 2 that were used for | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 65 of 105\n\n| | Page 64 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·purchases of acquiring the Lady May for you, | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, has this Exhibit 2 been | |\n| ·6· · · · produced to the parties in this adversary | |\n| ·7· · · · proceeding? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll have to get back to you on | |\n| ·9· · · · that. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay.· Thank you. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had exclusive control over | |\n| 13· ·the UBS bank account that we have been discussing, | |\n| 14· ·correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok had no | |\n| 17· ·involvement in any transaction relating to | |\n| 18· ·HK International's acquisition of the Lady May, | |\n| 19· ·correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, it is 1:22.· Do you guys | |\n| 22· · · · want to take a lunch break?· Do you want to | |\n| 23· · · · keep going? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·I'm also conscious of the court reporter | |\n| 25· · · · and the videographer -- and the translator. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 65 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·Sorry, Jingyi. | |\n| | ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· What's your over/under on | |\n| | ·4· ·what you've got left for the day? | |\n| | ·5· · · · (A discussion was held off the record.) | |\n| | ·6· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| | ·7· ·record at 1:22 p.m. | |\n| | ·8· · · · (At 1:22 p.m. a luncheon recess was | |\n| | ·9· ·taken.) | |\n| | 10· · · · (At 2:00 p.m. the deposition resumes.) | |\n| 11 | | |\n| 12 | | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 16 | | |\n| 17 | | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 67 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 66 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·************************************************ | |\n| ·3· · · · · · A F T E R N O O N· ·S E S S I O N | |\n| ·4· ·************************************************ | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| ·6· · · · record at 2:00 p.m. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Good afternoon, Mr. Kwok. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Good afternoon. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with the | |\n| 11· ·proposed Chapter 11 plan that was submitted in your | |\n| 12· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that under the plan | |\n| 15· ·proposed and put forth by your counsel at | |\n| 16· ·Brown Rudnick, there was a reference to there being | |\n| 17· ·a quote-unquote \"boat contribution,\" correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, under the plan for the boat | |\n| 20· ·contribution, that provided for the Lady May to be | |\n| 21· ·contributed to a creditor trust, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the time the Chapter 11 plan | |\n| 24· ·was proposed, including the boat contribution, you | |\n| 25· ·were the beneficial owner and controlled the | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 68 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 67 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the boat contribution under the | |\n| ·5· ·proposed plan was not actually a contribution to be | |\n| ·6· ·made by HK USA because your estate already | |\n| ·7· ·beneficially owned and controlled the Lady May, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that HK USA filed | |\n| 13· ·an adversary proceeding against you claiming | |\n| 14· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that that adversary | |\n| 17· ·proceeding was filed by HK USA so that the Lady May | |\n| 18· ·would be treated as a contribution by HK USA and | |\n| 19· ·your daughter Mei Guo for purposes of justifying | |\n| 20· ·them receiving a release under the plan, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the plan to file the adversary | |\n| 25· ·proceeding simultaneous with the boat contribution | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 69 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 68 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·under the plan was a joint plan arrived at by your | |\n| ·3· ·counsel as well as counsel for HK USA, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were represented by a man | |\n| ·6· ·named Aaron Mitchell for purposes of these | |\n| ·7· ·proceedings, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Mitchell was simultaneously serving as | |\n| 10· ·counsel to HK USA and Mei Guo, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·For purposes of representing you for your | |\n| 15· ·Chapter 11 proceeding and HK USA and Mei Guo in | |\n| 16· ·connection with the Chapter 11 proceeding in the | |\n| 17· ·adversary action, you believe there to be no | |\n| 18· ·conflict of interest for Mr. Mitchell because you | |\n| 19· ·beneficially owned and controlled both your estate | |\n| 20· ·and HK USA and the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that Kwok | |\n| 23· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 4 -- let me strike that. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·I'm going to ask that ECF299 -- which is | |\n| 25· · · · the stipulated order compelling | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 70 of 105\n\nPage 69 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · HK International Funds Investments (USA) ·3· · · · Limited, LLC to transport and deliver that ·4· · · · Certain Yacht, the \"Lady May\" -- be marked as ·5· · · · Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 4, and that it ·6· · · · be shown to the witness. ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 4 was received and ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, through your counsel, you've 11· ·agreed to be bound by this order, correct? 12· · · · A.· ·I don't understand the English. 13· · · · Q.· ·My question is did you direct your counsel 14· ·to agree that you'd be bound by this stipulated 15· ·order which has been marked as Exhibit 4? 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed counsel for HK USA 18· ·to agree to be bound by this agreement, correct? 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, as the beneficial owner and the 21· ·person in control of HK USA, you instructed your 22· ·daughter to agree to be bound by this agreement, 23· ·correct? 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you agreed for William Je to\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 71 of 105\n\n| Page 70
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·send \\$37 million to be posted as a bond on April 13, |\n| ·3· ·2022, correct? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between |\n| ·6· ·Mr. Je's -- let me strike that. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between |\n| ·8· ·Himalaya Capital and HK USA, both entities that you |\n| ·9· ·own and control, was agreed to on April 19, 2022, |\n| 10· ·correct? |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed both HK USA and |\n| 15· ·Himalaya Capital to enter into the \\$37 million loan |\n| 16· ·agreement, correct? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, sorry.· I have been referring to |\n| 19· ·them as \"Himalaya International Capital.\"· What I |\n| 20· ·meant was Himalaya International Financial Group |\n| 21· ·Limited. |\n| 22· · · · · · ·Does that correction change any of your |\n| 23· ·answers? |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 71 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, Mr. Kwok, you owned and | |\n| ·4· ·controlled Himalaya International Financial Group in | |\n| ·5· ·April 2022, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Asked and answered. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the terms set out in Exhibit 4, | |\n| 10· ·which is the stipulated order compelling | |\n| 11· ·HK International Funds Investments to transport and | |\n| 12· ·deliver the Lady May, were irrelevant to your | |\n| 13· ·decision to have Himalaya International Financial | |\n| 14· ·Group loan \\$37 million to HK USA, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you would have had -- sorry. | |\n| 19· ·Let me strike that. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA entered into the | |\n| 21· ·\\$37 million loan with Himalaya International | |\n| 22· ·Financial Group Limited at your direction regardless | |\n| 23· ·of any terms that were to be agreed to regarding the | |\n| 24· ·stipulated order compelling the return of the | |\n| 25· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 72 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could I have that question | |\n| ·4· · · · read back? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I think I had -- | |\n| ·6· · · · perhaps I had something bad for lunch.· I'm | |\n| ·7· · · · feeling uncomfortable and I need to use the | |\n| ·8· · · · bathroom and it might take a while. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, that's fine.· Take | |\n| 10· · · · care of whatever needs that you have and I will | |\n| 11· · · · be here when you get back. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 13· · · · record at 2:18 p.m. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| 16· · · · record at 2:27 p.m. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, prior to Himalaya International | |\n| 19· ·Financial Group Limited, the party -- the entity | |\n| 20· ·that was going to loan HK USA the \\$37 million was | |\n| 21· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the exclusive beneficial | |\n| 24· ·owner of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 74 of 105\n\n| | Page 73 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| ·3· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner of | |\n| ·6· ·all assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control | |\n| ·9· ·over the assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, | |\n| 10· ·correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| 13· ·Saraca Media Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial | |\n| 16· ·ownership of Saraca Media Group, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial -- | |\n| 18· ·you're the exclusive beneficial owner of | |\n| 19· ·Saraca Media Group, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had \\$37 million | |\n| 22· ·sent over to post as a bond was so that you could | |\n| 23· ·stay out of jail, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 74 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, because you're motivated by | |\n| ·4· ·staying out of jail, you would have had the | |\n| ·5· ·\\$37 million sent over to post as a bond regardless | |\n| ·6· ·of any terms associated with its return or how it | |\n| ·7· ·would be handled once the Lady May arrived, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I want to show you | |\n| 11· · · · what I'll mark as an exhibit, a video from Vice | |\n| 12· · · · that I'll ask my colleague to play.· It will be | |\n| 13· · · · marked as Exhibit 5. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 5 was received and | |\n| 15· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Is there a question? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm sorry, Mr. Kwok, there was | |\n| 18· · · · not.· There was not any audio.· Once I can get | |\n| 19· · · · it to play, I'll ask you a question. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Anyone hear sound? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We do not hear any sound. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· Sound issue.· Sorry. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Take your time, Will. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· There's no sound. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· In that case, we may need to | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 76 of 105\n\nPage 75 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · return to this exhibit and I'll investigate how ·3· · · · to adjust the audio. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we play it through ·5· · · · once without the sound and we will do what we ·6· · · · can do and, Will, you can work on it. ·7· · · · · · ·Will, could you play Exhibit 5. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· (Complies.) ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played without audio.) 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize that you are 12· ·one of the people in that video? 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, while we could not hear the 15· ·audio, under the subtitles there were repeated 16· ·references by you saying -- referring to \"my yacht,\" 17· ·correct? 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 19· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht you were referring 20· ·to when you told the interviewer from Vice News 21· ·about \"my yacht\" was the Lady May, correct? 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Exhibit 5 appears to be a true 24· ·and accurate copy of your interview with Vice News, 25· ·correct?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 76 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to put up | |\n| ·4· · · · the next video.· And we'll mark it as | |\n| ·5· · · · Exhibit 6. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 6 was received and | |\n| ·7· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the person speaking in | |\n| 11· ·the video that is Exhibit 6, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were aboard the Lady May at | |\n| 14· ·the time of the video, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was created in | |\n| 17· ·November of 2022, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was posted on Vetter | |\n| 20· ·(phonetic) social media network you own and control, | |\n| 21· ·correct? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the video that has been marked | |\n| 24· ·as Exhibit 6 is a true and accurate copy of you | |\n| 25· ·speaking on the deck of the Lady May in November of | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 78 of 105\n\nPage 77 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·2022, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to play ·5· · · · the next video, which we'll mark as Kwok ·6· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 7. ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 7 was received and ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the person speaking in that 12· ·video is you, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· · · · Q.· ·And in the video, Mr. Kwok, that's a true 15· ·and accurate copy of an interview you gave, 16· ·Mr. Kwok? 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about 19· ·selling the Lady May, correct? 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about how 22· ·when you purchased the Lady May in 2015, it was 23· ·delivered to Miami at that time, correct? 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May has been in the\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 79 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 78 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·United States since 2015, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been in the | |\n| ·5· ·United States the entire time that the Lady May has | |\n| ·6· ·been in the United States, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Let me strike that. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have been residing in the | |\n| ·9· ·United States since 2015, correct? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your daughter Mei Guo did not | |\n| 12· ·come to the United States until 2017, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when the Lady May was purchased | |\n| 17· ·in 2015, it was not delivered to the location where | |\n| 18· ·Mei Guo was living but, in fact, was delivered to | |\n| 19· ·the United States where you were living, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between the time the boat was | |\n| 22· ·delivered to Miami in 2015 and June of 2017, you | |\n| 23· ·used -- you boarded and sailed on the Lady May | |\n| 24· ·frequently, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 79 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at no time during this period | |\n| ·3· ·did your daughter, Mei Guo, ever step foot on the | |\n| ·4· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your use of the Lady May between | |\n| ·7· ·2015 and June 2017 is no different than your use of | |\n| ·8· ·the Lady May from June 2017 until the present, | |\n| ·9· ·correct? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, I need to go to | |\n| 13· · · · the bathroom again.· I'm feeling uncomfortable. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let's take a break so that you | |\n| 15· · · · can do so. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm really sorry. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· Please, take care of | |\n| 18· · · · yourself. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 20· · · · record at 2:49 p.m. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| 23· · · · record at 2:54 p.m. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask my colleague to | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 81 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 80 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·put back up Exhibit 5, which I'm told now we have | |\n| ·3· ·audio for. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· One moment. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, now that you could hear the | |\n| ·8· ·audio of that video, do you agree that that is a | |\n| ·9· ·true and accurate copy of the interview that you | |\n| 10· ·gave with Vice News? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you heard in that video which is | |\n| 13· ·Exhibit 5 multiple references to \"my yacht,\" | |\n| 14· ·correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht that you were | |\n| 17· ·referencing in Exhibit 5 repeatedly as \"my yacht\" is | |\n| 18· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask my colleague, Will | |\n| 21· · · · Farmer, to post the next video, which we'll | |\n| 22· · · · mark as Exhibit 8 for this deposition. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 8 was received and | |\n| 24· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 81 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see yourself in the top | |\n| ·4· ·left-hand corner of that call -- the video of that | |\n| ·5· ·call, with the name Miles under you? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy | |\n| ·8· ·of a call that you conducted, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on that call, you were telling | |\n| 11· ·participants that if they had any questions, they | |\n| 12· ·should reach out to William Je, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, in this video of the call | |\n| 15· ·you conducted, you were telling the participants | |\n| 16· ·that if they had questions relating to transferring | |\n| 17· ·funds to entities you own and control, they should | |\n| 18· ·speak to your agent, William Je, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could you please -- I'll | |\n| 21· · · · ask you to mark as Exhibit 9, the next exhibit, | |\n| 22· · · · which, I believe, is a Tweet dated | |\n| 23· · · · May 10, 2017. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 9 was received and | |\n| 25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 82 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize yourself in | |\n| ·4· ·this exhibit? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy | |\n| ·7· ·of the Tweet you posted, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And in this Tweet, Mr. Kwok, from May 10, | |\n| 10· ·2017, you state that you're posting photos of \"the | |\n| 11· ·yacht I gave to my daughter and named after her,\" | |\n| 12· ·correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also wrote | |\n| 15· ·that \"I bought the Lady May for EUR 41 million,\" | |\n| 16· ·correct? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see below it, if we could | |\n| 19· ·scroll down, there's another Tweet from August 27, | |\n| 20· ·2017. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Do you see that Mr. Kwok? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Ms. Wang, what is the question? | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Whether you see the Tweet from | |\n| 24· ·August 27, 2017 below the one where that is a | |\n| 25· ·picture of you? | |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 83 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you see -- and this is a true and | |\n| ·4· ·accurate copy of the Tweets you posted on August 27, | |\n| ·5· ·2017, Mr. Kwok? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you refer to the | |\n| ·8· ·Lady May as \"my ship,\" correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·And you wrote those words, correct, Mr. | |\n| 11· ·Kwok? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also write | |\n| 14· ·\"This was two years ago, when I was in Miami, when I | |\n| 15· ·had just signed the most important investment | |\n| 16· ·contract of my life,\" exclamation point. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, who did you sign the most | |\n| 20· ·important investment contract of your life with? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you signed that investment | |\n| 23· ·contract on your own behalf, not acting as anyone | |\n| 24· ·else's agent, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 85 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 84 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what did you do with the assets | |\n| ·3· ·you received from signing that investment contract? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control an entity | |\n| ·6· ·called \"HCHK Property Management Inc.,\" correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, and for the record, when | |\n| ·9· ·referencing the video exhibits I've shown you today, | |\n| 10· ·your answers would not change if I was describing | |\n| 11· ·the videos as true and correct recordings as opposed | |\n| 12· ·to true and correct copies, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·In this one, what's the question? | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·When referencing the video exhibits we've | |\n| 15· ·looked at today, meaning Exhibits 5, 6, 7, and 8, I | |\n| 16· ·asked you if they were true and correct copies. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·And what I want to know is, your answers | |\n| 18· ·would not change if I also asked you the same | |\n| 19· ·question as to whether they're true and accurate | |\n| 20· ·recordings of those videos, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control a property | |\n| 23· ·called \"HCHK Technologies Inc.,\" correct? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· HCHK Technologies, Inc., | |\n| 25· · · · is that the company's name? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes, ma'am. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, a man named Elliot Dordick is | |\n| ·6· ·affiliated with HCHK Technologies, Inc., and HCHK | |\n| ·7· ·Property Management, Inc., correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions and statements made | |\n| 10· ·and taken by Mr. Dordick in relation to the | |\n| 11· ·Chapter 11 trustee in this case, (indiscernible), | |\n| 12· ·have been done at your direction and under your | |\n| 13· ·control? | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· Again, | |\n| 15· · · · we seem to be getting pretty far outside the | |\n| 16· · · · scope of anything in this adversary proceeding. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·Go ahead an answer this one, but absent an | |\n| 18· · · · offer of proof, I'm going to start instructing | |\n| 19· · · · the witness not to answer to this line. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Go ahead. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in addition to the Lady May, you | |\n| 24· ·also own and control a second boat named the | |\n| 25· ·Lady May II, correct? | |\n| | Page 85 |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 87 of 105\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 86 | |\n|---------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·The Lady May II, like the Lady May, is | | |\n| | ·4· ·also an asset of your estate, correct? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, where is the Lady May II | | |\n| ·9· ·currently located? | | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Daniel Podhaskie served as your | | |\n| | 12· ·counsel previously, correct? | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Podhaskie was your employee, correct? | | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Podhaskie has acted as your | | |\n| 17· ·agent, correct? | | | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions Mr. Podhaskie took | | |\n| | 20· ·as counsel to Golden Spring were, in fact, actions | | |\n| | 21· ·taken at your direction and for your benefit, | | |\n| 22· ·correct? | | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Daniel | | |\n| | 25· ·Podhaskie relating to Golden Spring, Leading Shine | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 88 of 105\n\n| Page 87
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·Limited, Saraca Media Group, Greenwich Land LLC, |\n| ·3· ·Rule of Law Society, and the Sherry-Netherland |\n| ·4· ·apartment were all taken at your direction, correct? |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Anthony D'Battista is also an |\n| ·7· ·employee of yours, correct? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. D'Battista acts as your agent in |\n| 10· ·connection with his work related to all the G |\n| 11· ·entities in Saraca Media, correct? |\n| 12· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. D'Battista acts as your |\n| 15· ·agent and under your direction in connection with |\n| 16· ·all of his activities related to the G entities, by |\n| 17· ·which I mean, G Fashion G Music G Club, Getter, as |\n| 18· ·well as Saraca Media, correct? |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know who Fiona Yu is, |\n| 21· ·correct? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·You directed Fiona Yu to speak as your |\n| 24· ·agent in connection with seeking legal advice |\n| 25· ·related to hiding the Lady May from your creditors |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 89 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 88 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·when she discussed this with your counsel, Hodgson | |\n| ·3· ·Russ, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, similarly, Ms. Yu took all | |\n| ·6· ·actions related to ACA Capital Group Limited at your | |\n| ·7· ·direction, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you installed Fiona Yu as | |\n| 10· ·the company secretary of ACA Capital Group Limited, | |\n| 11· ·an entity you own and control, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Karen Maistrello is another | |\n| 14· ·person who acts as your agent in connection with | |\n| 15· ·your business transactions, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And for the record, Maistrello | |\n| 18· · · · is spelled M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Do I need to answer? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm just providing that | |\n| 21· · · · information to the Court Reporter, Mr. Kwok. | |\n| 22· · · · There's nothing for you to do. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Maistrello was an employee | |\n| 25· ·of yours, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 89 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware of a man named Han | |\n| ·4· ·Chunguang? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Eastern Profit Limited is an | |\n| ·7· ·entity in the name of your daughter Mei Guo, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by | |\n| 11· ·Mr. Chunguang as relate to Eastern Profit are taken | |\n| 12· ·at your direction, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Chunguang acts as your agent | |\n| 17· ·in connection with all endeavors related to any | |\n| 18· ·entities related to you, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· We're, | |\n| 20· · · · once again, getting pretty far afield of the | |\n| 21· · · · relatively narrow allegations back and forth in | |\n| 22· · · · the HK adversary proceeding. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree.· This is another | |\n| 24· · · · entity in the name of Ms. Guo. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Another entity? | |\n\nPage 90 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Right.· Consistent with a ·3· · · · pattern and practice of activities. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer the question. ·5· · · · I guess, getting pretty far afield, I have not ·6· · · · yet directed the witness not to answer a ·7· · · · question.· Based on relevance, I'm telling you ·8· · · · we're getting pretty close on this one. ·9· · · · · · ·Go ahead. 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·And I apologize to Mr. Han.· I'm told Han 13· ·is his last name. 14· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you understood who I was 15· ·referring to when I said Han Chunguang, that Han is 16· ·the last name? 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 18· · · · Q.· ·And with that clarification, Mr. Kwok, 19· ·would that change any of the answers you've 20· ·previously given with regard to Mr. Han Chunguang? 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Kwok, the Lady May was not the only 23· ·one of -- is not the only vehicle you owned and 24· ·controlled that you put in the name of your 25· ·daughter, correct?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 91 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you, as a beneficial owner | | |\n| ·6· ·and -- control Whitecroft Shores Limited, which is a | | |\n| ·7· ·BVI corporation in the name of your daughter? | | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· The audio got muffled on that | | |\n| ·9· · · · one. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure.· I'm happy to ask it | | |\n| 11· · · · again. | | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you beneficially owned and | | |\n| 14· ·controlled Whitecroft Shore Limited, a BVI | | |\n| 15· ·corporation that is listed in the name of your | | |\n| 16· ·daughter Mei Guo, correct? | | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you placed your asset Bombardier | | |\n| 21· ·Global XRS with the -- a plane, with the serial | | |\n| 22· ·number 9189, into Whitecroft Shore Limited, correct? | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, despite this plane being listed | | |\n| 25· ·under the name of Whitecroft Shore Limited at all | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 93 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 92 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·times, you were the beneficial owner and controlled | |\n| ·3· ·that plane, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're similarly the beneficial | |\n| ·6· ·owner and control an airbus, ACJ319, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all funds used to purchase the | |\n| ·9· ·Bombardier Global XRS and airbus ACJ319 belong to | |\n| 10· ·you, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, I do think we need to | |\n| 13· · · · start moving on.· I get your point and | |\n| 14· · · · understand your point.· You're trying to prove | |\n| 15· · · · some sort of course of conduct.· I'm not saying | |\n| 16· · · · I agree with it, but I understand the concept | |\n| 17· · · · that you're doing.· But I think delving into | |\n| 18· · · · multiple layers that are of multiple entities | |\n| 19· · · · in questions that are nearly identical is | |\n| 20· · · · becoming extremely redundant, going outside the | |\n| 21· · · · rule -- of the scope of Rule 26, and getting to | |\n| 22· · · · the point of harassment-like behavior. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·And I'm not saying that to be | |\n| 24· · · · disrespectful; I'm just saying that so we can | |\n| 25· · · · all move on with our lives after today or move | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 94 of 105\n\nPage 93 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · on with our lives today, because this is ·3· · · · getting extremely far outside the scope. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· I hear your point. I ·5· · · · don't agree with you.· That said, I think you ·6· · · · understand the point I'm trying to make and why ·7· · · · I think that's pertinent. ·8· · · · · · ·I will try to move through.· I don't think ·9· · · · there's very much more, and I'll try to move 10· · · · through it quickly. 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· All right. 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just a couple more entities and 15· · · · a couple more people, and I think we'll be 16· · · · okay. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with a person 19· ·named Zhang Wei, correct? 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions taken by Zhang Wei 22· ·related to any assets or entities related to you are 23· ·taken at your direction and under your control, 24· ·correct? 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 95 of 105\n\n| | Page 94 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Zhang Wei was never the owner of | | |\n| ·5· ·Genever Holdings LLC, correct? | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) | | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Zhang Wei was never the owner of Genever, | | |\n| ·9· ·G-E-N-E-V-E-R, Holdings LLC, correct? | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question.· It | | |\n| 11· · · · is related to another ongoing proceeding to | | |\n| 12· · · · which Ms. Guo and HKI are already obviously | | |\n| 13· · · · parties.· It's outside the scope of this | | |\n| 14· · · · adversary proceeding. | | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·You can answer, Mr. Kwok. | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, we talked about Bravo Luck | | |\n| 19· ·Limited earlier. | | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei never was the owner of | | |\n| 21· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Last question with regard to this and I'll | | |\n| 24· ·move on. | | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei was never the owner of | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 96 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 95 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·Genever Holdings Corporation, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner and | |\n| ·5· ·control Greenwich Land LLC, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object and | |\n| ·7· · · · direct the witness not to answer.· That is -- | |\n| ·8· · · · that entity doesn't relate to any party in this | |\n| ·9· · · · adversary proceeding at all. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· So, Aaron, let me lay more of a | |\n| 11· · · · foundation and then, hopefully, you'll | |\n| 12· · · · understand, okay? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner and Yvette Wang both | |\n| 16· ·took actions related to the Lady May in connection | |\n| 17· ·with their roles on your behalf with Golden Spring, | |\n| 18· ·correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner and Ms. Wang also | |\n| 23· ·hold, at the same time, positions with Greenwich | |\n| 24· ·Land LLC, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I need to go to the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 96 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · bathroom again.· My belly is making some noises | |\n| ·3· · · · again. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I just need | |\n| ·5· · · · you to answer this question because we can't | |\n| ·6· · · · take a break while a question is pending, but | |\n| ·7· · · · then I'll let you take a break. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·I've just answered this, the Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Let's take a break so | |\n| 10· · · · you can go to the bathroom. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 12· · · · record at 3:37 p.m. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| 15· · · · record at 3:43 p.m. | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask you again, you | |\n| 18· ·are the beneficial owner and control Greenwich Land | |\n| 19· ·LLC, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask that the | |\n| 22· ·document -- | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you could mark as Kwok | |\n| 24· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 10 -- Will, if you could | |\n| 25· · · · put up a document titled \"Declaration of Trust | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 98 of 105\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 97 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · and Agreement.\"· That's at tab 211. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 10 was received and | |\n| ·4· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you go to the last | |\n| ·6· · · · page. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you see your signature on | |\n| 11· ·this page -- on the last page? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this trust agreement, which | |\n| 14· ·is -- purported trust agreement, which has been | |\n| 15· ·marked as Exhibit 10, did not exist as of March 6, | |\n| 16· ·2015, when closing occurred for the purchase of the | |\n| 17· ·Sherry-Netherland apartment, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· This | |\n| 19· · · · document, again, is the subject of a dispute. | |\n| 20· · · · It's directly at issue in another adversary | |\n| 21· · · · proceeding to which the parties are not here. | |\n| 22· · · · I don't see any significance or any relevance | |\n| 23· · · · whatsoever to this document to HK USA or | |\n| 24· · · · Ms. Guo. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, the entity that entered | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 98 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · into Bravo Luck Limited is the same entity that | |\n| ·3· · · · purportedly funded the purchase of the Lady May | |\n| ·4· · · · and the Sherry-Netherland apartment.· I think | |\n| ·5· · · · it's directly relevant.· I'm happy not to spend | |\n| ·6· · · · a lot of time on it, but I would like an answer | |\n| ·7· · · · to my question. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, why don't we take a | |\n| 10· · · · five-minute break.· I may be done.· So let me | |\n| 11· · · · just check my notes.· Is that okay? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 13· · · · record at 3:47 p.m. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| 16· · · · record at 3:54 p.m. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, your counsel and I | |\n| 18· · · · have discussed the idea that if the Court is | |\n| 19· · · · amenable, that in lieu of you giving live | |\n| 20· · · · testimony at the PJR hearing, that we can use | |\n| 21· · · · this deposition transcript.· I hope the Court | |\n| 22· · · · will agree to that. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·But let me just ask, if for whatever | |\n\n25· ·reason you were to have to give live testimony at\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 100 of 105\n\nPage 99 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·this hearing and were asked the identical questions ·3· ·that you were asked today, would you give the same ·4· ·answers to them? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Am I correct that the ·6· · · · question assumes the absence of an objection or ·7· · · · an objection that was not sustained? ·8· · · · · · ·Is that a fair qualification on the ·9· · · · question? 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· My question assumes no waiver 11· · · · of your right to object to any questions that 12· · · · you objected to today. 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The witness said \"yes\" 15· · · · just now.· That didn't get interpreted. 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Just so we're clear Mr. Kwok, your answer 19· ·to my question is \"yes\"? 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I have no further 22· · · · questions for you at this time.· I thank you 23· · · · very much for the time you've given us today. 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you.· I have no 25· · · · questions for the witness.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 101 of 105\n\nPage 100 ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok ·2· · · · THE WITNESS:· I wanted to take this ·3· ·opportunity to also thank you -- say thank you ·4· ·to everybody here today.· I'm sorry that ·5· ·because I was feeling uncomfortable, so I ·6· ·wasted quite a bit of everybody's time. ·7· · · · But I want to say thank you for all the ·8· ·professional questions, and I also want to ·9· ·extend my thanks to you, the Interpreters, 10· ·including Ms. Wang and Luyi, as well as the 11· ·Court Reporter and all of the counsels present 12· ·today as well as our videographer. 13· · · · And I also want to say hello, please, to 14· ·pass on my greetings to the trust and Mr. Luc. 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will definitely pass those 16· ·greetings along, Mr. Kwok, and I will echo your 17· ·thanks to the Court Reporter, the videographer 18· ·and the translator, who all did a tremendous 19· ·job today.· Thank you. 20· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· This marks the end of 21· ·the deposition.· We're going off the record at 22· ·3:59 p.m. 23· · · · (Deposition continues - Next page) 24 25\n\n| ·1 | | Page 101 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Standing order. | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We'll take a copy but no | |\n| | ·4· · · · rough. | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· Same thing. | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We will also ask for a copy | |\n| | ·7· · · · of the video as well. | |\n| ·8 | | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·(Time noted:· 3:59 p.m.) | |\n| 10 | | |\n| 11 | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________ | |\n| | 13· · · · · · · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK | |\n| 14 | | |\n| | 15· ·Subscribed and sworn to | |\n| | 16· ·before me this· · ·day | |\n| | 17· ·of· · · · · · 2023. | |\n| | 18· ·_______________________ | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\n| ·1 | Page 102 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE |\n| ·3 | |\n| | ·4· ·STATE OF CONNECTICUT ) |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · · · :· ·ss |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·I, Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court |\n| | ·7· ·Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary Public within |\n| | ·8· ·and for the States of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, |\n| | ·9· ·do hereby certify: |\n| | 10· · · · · · ·That HO WAN KWOK, the witness whose deposition is |\n| | 11· ·hereinbefore set forth, was duly sworn by me and that such |\n| | 12· ·deposition is a true record of the testimony given by such |\n| | 13· ·witness. |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not related to any of |\n| | 15· ·the parties to this action by blood or marriage and that I |\n| | 16· ·am in no way interested in the outcome of this matter. |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand |\n| | 18· ·this 2nd day of March, 2023. |\n| 19 | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·----------------------------------------
· · · · · · · ·ANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·LICENSE NO. XI00218400 |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 104\n\nof 105\n\n| ·1 | | | Page 103 |\n|----|---------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | | ·2· · · · · · · · · · ·C O N T E N T S | |\n| | | ·3· ·MR. LUFT· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·7 | |\n| | | ·4· · · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S | |\n| | | ·5· · · · · · ·(Retained by the court reporter) | |\n| | | ·6· ·DEPOSITION· · · · · EXHIBIT· · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE | |\n| | | ·7· ·Exhibit 1· ·Declaration of Trust· · · · · · · · · 19 | |\n| | | ·8· ·Exhibit 2· ·UBS Account Statement, Bravo Luck· · ·62
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· · · · · · · · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK | | | | | | | |\n| 25 | | | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | | | |","body_zh":"证据附件18\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交于 05/16/23 录入于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第2页，共\n\n第1页\n\n美国破产法院\n康涅狄格州联邦地区\n布里奇波特分院\n---------------------------------------X\n关于： 第11章\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）， 案号：\n 22-50073 (JAM)\n债务人。\n---------------------------------------X\n\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）的远程录像证言录取\n2023年3月2日，星期四\n\n记录员：\nAngela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M. 肖-克罗基特），CCR、CRR、RMR、CSR\n工作编号 222883\n\n第2页\n2023年3月2日\n上午10:28\n\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）的远程录像证言录取，于纽约州、新泽西州和康涅狄格州的注册法庭记录员、注册实时记录员、注册高级记录员及公证人 Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M. 肖-克罗基特）之前进行。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交于 05/16/23 录入于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第4页，共\n\n第3页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n远 程 出 庭 人 员：\n\nPAUL HASTINGS LLP（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）\n受托人代理律师\n200 Park Avenue\nNew York, New York 10166\n代理律师：AVRAM LUFT（阿夫拉姆·卢夫特）\nDOUGLASS BARRON（道格拉斯·巴伦）\nWILL FARMER（威尔·法默）\n\nCHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC（奇耶萨·沙希尼安及詹托马西律师事务所）\nHK INTERNATIONAL（HK国际公司）及 MEI GUO（郭梅）代理律师\nOne Boland Drive\nWest Orange, New Jersey 07052\n代理律师：PATRICIA BERGAMASCO（帕特里夏·贝尔加马斯科）\n\nZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C.（泽斯勒及泽斯勒律师事务所）\nHK INTERNATIONAL（HK国际公司）及 MEI GUO（郭梅）代理律师\n10 Middle Street\nBridgeport, Connecticut 06604\n代理律师：AARON ROMNEY（亚伦·罗姆尼）\n\n另行出席者：Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎），录像师\nLuyi Song（路易·宋），Paul Hastings 律师助理\nJingyi Wang（王静怡），普通话口译员\nUna Wilkinson（乌娜·威尔金森），普通话核对口译员\n\n第4页\nH. Kwok\n\n录像师：早上好。我叫 Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎）。我是与 TSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）合作的法律录像师。我不会与证人在同一房间内。我将远程录制本次证言录取。记录员 Angie Shaw-Crockett 也不会在同一房间内，并将远程为证人宣誓。\n\n各方是否约定，录像记录及远程宣誓均为有效，并且其在法庭上可予采纳，如同其系依照《联邦民事诉讼规则》第30条及案件审理所在州的规则进行？\n\nLUFT 律师：我是代表第11章受托人的 Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特），我们同意。\n\nROMNEY 律师：是的，我是代表债务人即证人的 Zeisler & Zeisler 律师事务所 Aaron Romney（亚伦·罗姆尼）。我们同意。\n\nBERGAMASCO 律师：我是代表 Mei Guo 和 HK International 的 Patricia Bergamasco（帕特里夏·贝尔加马斯科）。\n\n录像师：谢谢。\n\n这是——\n\nLUFT 律师：你们同意吗？\n\nBERGAMASCO 律师：是的。抱歉。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第5页\nH. Kwok\n\n录像师：谢谢。\n\n这是关于 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）一案中 Ho Wan Kwok 的录像证言录取第1盘录像的开始。本案在美国破产法院康涅狄格州联邦地区布里奇波特分院审理，案号为 22-50073 (JAM)。各方已同意于 2023年3月2日约上午10:28 远程出庭。\n\n我叫 Matthew Chin-Quee，来自 TSG Reporting，我是法律录像专员。法庭记录员是与 TSG Reporting 合作的 Angie Shaw-Crockett。\n\n请所有律师作自我介绍。\n\nLUFT 律师：您好。我是 Paul Hastings 的 Avi Luft。我代表关于 Ho Wan Kwok 一案中的第11章受托人。与我一同出席的是我的同事 Douglass Barron、Will Farmer 和担任律师助理的 Luyi Song。\n\nROMNEY 律师：Aaron Romney，Zeisler & Zeisler。我在主破产案件中代表债务人 Kwok 先生。同时，在本对抗程序中，我亦代表其以证人身份出席。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交于 05/16/23 录入于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第7页，共\n\nH. Kwok\n\n今日出席。我亦在本对抗程序中代表 Mei Guo 和 HKI USA（HKI美国公司）出庭。\n\nBERGAMASCO 律师：我是 Zeisler & Zeisler 的 Patricia Bergamasco，代表本对抗程序中的 Mei Guo 和 HK International USA（HK国际美国公司）。\n\n录像师：谢谢。\n\n请法庭记录员为口译员和证人宣誓。\n\nJINGYI WANG（王静怡），经纽约州境内及代表纽约州的公证人首先依法宣誓后，宣誓将问题由英语译为普通话，并将回答由普通话译为英语，内容如下：\n\nHo Wan Kwok 经传唤作为证人，并经由口译员首先依法宣誓后，接受询问并作证如下：\n\n证人：谢谢。\n\n口译员：口译员补充说明一下。口译员已收到链接，实时记录现已正常运行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第7页\nH. Kwok\n\nLUFT 律师：很好。\n\n询问\n\n由 LUFT 律师进行：\n\n问：早上好，Kwok 先生。您好吗？\n\n答：我很好，律师。您今天早上好吗？\n\n问：我很好。谢谢您的询问。\n\n在开始之前，我将宣读律师就今天的远程证言录取所同意的条款。条款有多项，因此我想我会在每一项后暂停，以便口译员有机会翻译。我并不寻求回答，我只是陈述这些条款的内容。但我认为这样会更容易。\n\n受托人已同意今日远程录取债务人的证言，依据债务人律师代表其同意的下列约定：第一，HK USA 和 Mei Guo 女士不再拟传唤债务人代表其作证，并已将其从其拟出庭听证证人名单中删除。\n\n远程进行本次证言录取，系基于以下理解：除涉及 Kwok 先生的姓名、地址以及确认其家庭成员身份的问题外，债务人拟就本次证言录取中提出的任何问题主张其第五修正案权利。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交于 05/16/23 录入于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第9页，共\n\n第8页\nH. Kwok\n\n如果债务人试图主张——不——抱歉。请删除该表述。\n\n如果债务人试图不主张其第五修正案权利，而是回答问题，这将构成对远程进行其证言录取之协议的违反，其证言将立即以现场方式录取。双方均明确，债务人目前不得考虑通过主张其第五修正案权利来决定不回答问题。\n\n远程证言录取系因债务人提出请求而本着善意提供，而非基于必要性，亦非受托人承认在本案中或今后对债务人进行远程证言录取是适当的。任何实质性回答而不主张其第五修正案权利的行为，均构成对本协议的违反。\n\n抱歉。我们需要暂停记录。我的电脑刚刚崩溃。抱歉。\n\n录像师：我们暂停记录。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交于 05/16/23 录入于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第10页，共105页\n\n第9页\nH. Kwok\n\n记录于上午10:37暂停。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像师：我们于上午10:45恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师：我将继续说明约定。对技术问题表示抱歉。\n\n在录取证言时，债务人必须实际位于法院的管辖范围内，即在距法院100英里以内。录取债务人证言时，除债务人的口译员和其来自 Zeisler & Zeisler 的律师外，任何人不得与债务人同处一室。在证言录取处于记录状态时，债务人不得与其来自 Zeisler & Zeisler 的律师以外的任何人沟通。\n\n在我们处于记录状态期间，债务人的口译员不得与债务人沟通。唯一的口译员是官方口译员 Jingyi Wang 女士。债务人的口译员在场，是为了在休息期间协助债务人与 Zeisler & Zeisler 沟通，并在证言录取进行期间就翻译事宜向 Zeisler & Zeisler 提供建议。债务人的口译员不得在记录中发言。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交于 05/16/23 录入于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第11页，共105页\n\n第10页\nH. Kwok\n\n在证言录取处于记录状态时，债务人不得接触任何能够发送或接收信息的设备。在证言录取处于记录状态期间，债务人不得发送或阅读信息。\n\n我们——所有律师——是否仍就这些约定条款达成一致？\n\nROMNEY 律师：是的。正确。我唯一要补充的是，如我需要在记录中作出某种陈述而要求债务人理解 Wilkinson 女士——如我需要与债务人沟通，将通过 Wilkinson 女士进行。\n\nLUFT 律师：Romney 律师，在我们处于记录状态时，我要求您使用 Wang 女士与债务人交谈。如您需要就特权问题与他交谈，我们就暂停记录；届时，您可以按需要使用 Wilkinson 女士与他交谈。\n\nROMNEY 律师：当然。我认为这大体上是正确的。在例如通常情况下，我会说些什么的范围内\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交于 05/16/23 录入于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第12页，共105页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n……在未先暂停以确定是否需要暂停的情况下，向客户当场作出答复，则可能需要通过 Wilkinson 女士（威尔金森女士）进行，但我预计不会有任何问题。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：好的。\n\n并且，Bergamasco 女士（贝加马斯科女士），您仍同意这些条款吗？\n\nBERGAMASCO 女士（贝加马斯科）：您能重复一遍吗？\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：只是确认贵所仍同意我刚才所述、已经达成一致的条款。\n\nBERGAMASCO 女士（贝加马斯科）：是。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：很好。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）询问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生（郭文贵），您一直非常有耐心。对此谢谢您。\n\nKwok 先生，我能否请您为记录陈述您的姓名和住址？\n\n答：我的中文姓名是 Kwok Ho Wan（郭文贵）。我的地址在纽约第五大道。是 Sherry-Netherlands（谢里-荷兰酒店），但我记不起确切门牌号。是 768 或 769。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您现在就在该地址吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。Kwok 先生，我知道您以前接受过证言录取，但我想先说明一些基本规则，以便我们达成共识；可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是否明白您今天是在宣誓后作证？\n\n答：是，我明白。\n\n问：这意味着，您所作的一切——任何证言都必须真实。\n\n您明白吗？\n\n答：是，我明白。\n\n问：您今天是否有任何原因不能作出真实证言？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，我们能否约定，如果我的任何问题对您不清楚，您会告诉我并要求我澄清？\n\n答：可以。非常感谢。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，如果您没有告诉我某事不清楚，我们能否约定我可以假定您理解我的问题？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 14 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 13 页\n\n答：可以。没问题。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\n答：我的律师和口译员 Una。\n\n问：您的律师是 Romney 先生（罗姆尼先生）吗？\n\n答：我只知道他叫 Aaron。我不确定他的其他名字。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：Romney 先生，是您，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生（罗姆尼）：是我，Avi。Aaron Romney（亚伦·罗姆尼）。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）询问：\n\n问：您的口译员是 Una Wilkinson（尤娜·威尔金森），对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您女儿叫什么名字？\n\n答：Kwok Mei（郭梅）。\n\n问：您儿子叫什么名字？\n\n答：Kwok Qiang（郭强）。\n\n问：他有时是否也使用以下姓名——\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 15 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 14 页\n\nMileson Kwok（郭迈尔森）？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您妻子叫什么名字？\n\n答：Yu Chang Chu（俞长珠）。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您今天为证言录取做过任何准备吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否与律师会面，为今天的证言录取做准备？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否为今天的证言录取准备而审阅过任何文件？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否审阅过任何材料，以唤起您对今天证言录取事项的记忆？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，此时，我们将转入您证言录取的实体部分，据我了解，您打算对此援引第五修正案。\n\n我要求您仅在我问完问题并允许译员完整翻译后，再作出任何此类主张，可以吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 Lady May（梅夫人号）于 February 23, 2015 被 Hong Kong International Funds Investments Limited（香港国际基金投资有限公司，以下简称“HK International”）购买以来，您一直是 Lady May 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：我援引第五修正案。\n\n问：自 Lady May 于 February 23, 2015 被 HK International 购买以来，您，即债务人，一直是 Lady May 的衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：我援引第五修正案。\n\n问：自 Lady May 于 February 23, 2015 被 HK International 购买以来，您一直控制 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：自 Lady May 于 February 23, 2015 被 Hong Kong International 购买以来，您一直是 Lady May 的法定所有人吗？\n\n证人：Wang 女士（王女士），问题是什么？问题是问我是否是吗？\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：是。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 17 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 16 页\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）询问：\n\n问：我的陈述正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您无需征得 Mei Guo（郭梅）的许可即可登上 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您无需征得 Mei Guo 的许可即可使用 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您无需征得 Mei Guo 的许可，即可指示 Lady May 的船员将 Lady May 从一地航行至另一地，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 Hong Kong International Funds Investment Limited 成立以来，您一直是其受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK International 成立以来，您一直是其衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 18 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 17 页\n\nHK International 成立以来，您一直控制 HK International，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK International 成立以来，您一直是其法定所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK International 成立以来，它一直——它一直是您的另一自我，对吗？\n\n口译员：律师，您能否解释一下“另一自我”？\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：只需翻译该术语。这是一个法律术语。\n\n口译员：我明白这个法律术语。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：好的。\n\n证人：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）询问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您熟悉一个名为“HK International Funds Investment USA Limited（香港国际基金投资美国有限公司，以下简称‘HK USA’）”的实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，您一直是其——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 19 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 18 页\n\n受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，您一直是其衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，您一直控制该实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，您一直是其法定所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，它一直是您的另一自我，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您认识一个名为 Natasha Qu（屈娜塔莎）的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，将 HK International 转让给 Natasha Qu 是为了向您的债权人隐匿您的资产，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 19 页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您指示 Natasha Qu 于 October 10, 2014 前后签署一份信托声明，规范您在 Hong Kong International 中的股份，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：此时，我请求法庭记录员将一份于 October 10, 2014 作出的信托声明副本，以及我们所持有的经核证译文，标记为 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 1。\n\n如有可能，我将请我的同事 Farmer 先生（法默先生）将其展示出来。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR Exhibit 1 已收取并标记供识别。）\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）询问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，请用一分钟审阅 Exhibit 1。\n\nROMNEY 先生（罗姆尼）：Avi，可能是屏幕的格式问题。我在上面看不到 Bates 编号。\n\n这些文件是否已在 PJR 程序中提交？\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）：没有 Bates 编号。我们——\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 21 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 20 页\n\n已经提出向您提供该文件。\n\nROMNEY 先生（罗姆尼）：抱歉。我不确定您指的是什么。\n\n证人：我已经读完了。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）询问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，这是您于 October 10——即于 October 10, 2014 与 Natasha Kwok [原文如此]——Natasha Qu 就您在 Hong Kong International 所持股份订立的信托声明的真实、准确副本吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生（罗姆尼）：对问题的形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫）询问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Exhibit 1 的签署副本，即日期为 October 10, 2014 的信托声明，被交给您的律师 Stevenson, Wong & Co.（史蒂文森、黄律师事务所），由其代表您保管，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，根据该信托声明的条款，即使 Hong Kong International 已由您转让给 Natasha Qu，您仍保留对 Hong Kong International 及其资产的控制权和受益所有权，包括\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 22 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 21 页\n\n·2· Lady May（梅夫人号）游艇，对吗？\n\n·3· ROMNEY先生（罗姆尼）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·4· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·5· LUFT先生（卢夫特）继续询问：\n\n·6· 问：Kwok先生，Lady May是代表您购买的，对吗？\n\n·8· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·9· 问：Kwok先生，购买Lady May是为了由您控制并享有受益所有权，对吗？\n\n11· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n12· 问：Kwok先生，用于购买Lady May的全部资金均是您拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n15· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n16· 问：Kwok先生，您于February 23, 2015，以由您独占控制的资金向名为Bravo Luck（布拉沃·拉克）的实体提供资金，用于购买Lady May，对吗？\n\n20· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n21· 问：Kwok先生，Bravo Luck是您始终拥有独占控制权的实体，对吗？\n\n24· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n25· 问：Kwok先生，您始终对Bravo Luck的资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 23 页，共 105 页\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第22页\n\n·2· 对Bravo Luck的资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n·4· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·5· 问：Kwok先生，用于购买Lady May的任何资金均不属于您的儿子Mileson Kwok（迈尔森·郭），对吗？\n\n·8· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·9· 问：Kwok先生，您让Hong Kong International（香港国际）为您本人使用而购买Lady May，对吗？\n\n12· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n13· 问：Kwok先生，您指示Hong Kong International使用您自己的资产购买Lady May，试图掩饰您对Lady May的所有权，对吗？\n\n17· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n18· 问：为明确起见，当我提及Bravo Luck时，您理解我指的是Bravo Luck Limited（布拉沃·拉克有限公司），对吗？\n\n21· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n22· 问：Kwok先生，您指示Hong Kong International使用您拥有的资金购买Lady May，以保护Lady May免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第23页\n\n·2· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·3· 问：Kwok先生，您指示Qu女士（屈女士）于June 27, 2017，以one Hong Kong dollar的对价，将其声称拥有的Hong Kong International所有权转让给Mei Guo（郭美），对吗？\n\n·7· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·8· 问：Kwok先生，您指示于June 27, 2017以one Hong Kong dollar的对价，将Qu女士声称拥有的HK International（香港国际）所有权转让给Mei Guo，试图掩饰您对Lady May的所有权，对吗？\n\n13· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n14· 问：Kwok先生，您指示于June 27, 2017以one Hong Kong dollar的对价，将Qu女士声称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，试图保护Lady May免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n19· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n20· 问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士声称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变您仍然控制HK International并为其受益所有人的事实，对吗？\n\n25· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第24页\n\n·2· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·3· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n·4· 问：由于刚才有人提出异议，让我将该问题拆开。\n\n·6· 于June 27, 2017将Qu女士声称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变您在该转让后仍然控制HK International这一事实，对吗？\n\n11· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n12· 问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士声称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变您在该转让后仍为Hong Kong International的受益所有人这一事实，对吗？\n\n17· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n18· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n19· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n20· 问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士声称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变您在转让前后均仍控制Lady May这一事实，对吗？\n\n25· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第25页\n\n·2· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·3· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n·4· 问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士声称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变您在转让前后均仍为Lady May受益所有人这一事实，对吗？\n\n·9· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n10· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n11· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n12· 问：Kwok先生，您——也就是说，您本人或通过您的代理人——指示于September 11, 2018成立HK International Funds Investments USA Limited（香港国际基金投资美国有限公司），对吗？\n\n16· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n17· 问：Kwok先生，Lady May被转让给HK USA（香港美国），是为了试图掩饰您对Lady May的所有权，对吗？\n\n20· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n21· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n22· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n23· 问：Kwok先生，Lady May是依您的指示转让给HK USA的，以试图保护其免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 27 页，共 105 页\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第26页\n\n·2· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·3· 问：Kwok先生，您曾使用Golden Spring（戈尔登·斯普林）和Lamp Capital（兰普资本）这两个实体支付Lady May的费用，对吗？\n\n·6· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·7· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·8· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n·9· 问：Kwok先生，您是Golden Spring的所有人，对吗？\n\n11· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n12· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n13· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n14· 问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring拥有的所有资产均属于您，对吗？\n\n16· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n17· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n18· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n19· 问：Kwok先生，您控制Golden Springs Limited（戈尔登·斯普林斯有限公司），对吗？\n\n21· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n22· 问：Kwok先生，您控制Golden Spring的全部资产，对吗？\n\n24· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n25· 问：Kwok先生，与Lady May有关的所有费用，即由Golden Spring New York Limited（戈尔登·斯普林纽约有限公司）支付、我一直称其为“Golden Spring”的费用，均是以您控制的资金支付的，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 28 页，共 105 页\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第27页\n\n·2· Lady May由Golden Spring New York Limited支付的费用，\n\n·3· 我一直称其为“Golden Spring”，\n\n·4· 均是以您控制的资金支付的，对吗？\n\n·5· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·6· 问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring支付的与Lady May有关的所有费用，均是以您拥有的资金支付的，对吗？\n\n·9· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n10· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n11· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n12· 问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring支付的与Lady May有关的所有费用，均是依您的指示支付的，对吗？\n\n15· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n16· 问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring为Lady May支付的任何费用，均不是以属于Mileson Kwok的资产支付的，对吗？\n\n19· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n20· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n21· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n22· 问：Kwok先生，您是Lamp Capital的衡平所有人，对吗？\n\n24· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n25· 问：Kwok先生，您是Lamp Capital的受益所有人，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 29 页，共 105 页\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第28页\n\n·2· Lamp Capital的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n·3· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·4· 问：Kwok先生，您是Golden Spring的衡平所有人，对吗？\n\n·6· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·7· 问：Kwok先生，您是Golden Spring的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n·9· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n10· 问：Kwok先生，您对Lamp Capital拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n12· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n13· 问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital LLC（兰普资本有限责任公司）支付的与Lady May有关的所有费用，均是以您控制的资产支付的，对吗？\n\n16· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n17· 问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital LLC支付的与Lady May有关的所有费用，均是以您拥有的资产支付的，对吗？\n\n20· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n21· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n22· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n23· 问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital LLC支付的与Lady May有关的所有费用，均是依您的指示支付的，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵） 第29页\n\n·2· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·3· 问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital支付的与Lady May有关的任何费用，均不是以属于Mileson Kwok的资产支付的，对吗？\n\n·6· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·7· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·8· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n·9· 问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital的任何资产均不属于Kwok先生——即Mileson Kwok先生——对吗？\n\n12· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n13· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n14· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n15· 问：Kwok先生，您对Lamp Capital的资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n17· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n18· 问：Kwok先生，您的儿子Mileson Kwok对Lamp Capital的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\n20· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n21· 问：Kwok先生，您的儿子Mileson Kwok对Golden Spring的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\n23· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n24· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n第30页\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n·2· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n·3· 问：Kwok先生，您要求Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）代表您，就Lady May、HK USA和HK International采取行动，对吗？\n\n·6· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n·7· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·8· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n·9· 问：Kwok先生，您要求Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）代表您，就Lady May、HK International和HK USA采取行动，对吗？\n\n12· ROMNEY先生：提出异议。\n\n13· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n14· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n15· 问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang就Lady May采取的一切行动，均是依您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n18· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n19· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n20· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n21· 问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang就Lady May采取的一切行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n24· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n25· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第31页\n\n·1· H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n·2· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n·3· 问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner就Lady May采取的一切行动，均是依您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n·6· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n·7· 问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner就Lady May采取的一切行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n10· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n11· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n12· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n13· 问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang就HK International采取的一切行动，均是依您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n16· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n17· 问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang就HK USA采取的一切行动，均是依您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n20· ROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n21· 答：援引第五修正案权利。\n\n22· LUFT先生继续询问：\n\n23· 问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang就HK International采取的一切行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）- Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 33 页，共 105 页\n\n第 32 页 H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nROMNEY 律师（罗姆尼）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师（卢夫特）讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）就 HK USA（美国HK）所采取的所有行动，都是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）就 HK International（国际HK）所采取的所有行动，都是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krasner 就 HK USA 所采取的所有行动，都是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krasner 就 HK International 所采取的所有行动，都是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 34 of 105\n\n第 33 页 H. Kwok\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krasner 就 HK USA 所采取的所有行动，都是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Yvette Wang 目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Wang 女士自至少 2015 年起直至目前一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Wang 女士自至少 2015 年起至今一直担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Wang 女士目前担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您知道 Wang 女士目前所在的位置，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 35 of 105\n\n第 34 页 H. Kwok\n\nWang 女士目前所在的位置，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Wang 女士目前居住于何处？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krasner 目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，在 Krasner 先生参与 Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）事务的所有期间，他一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，在您与 Krasner 先生有任何关联的所有期间，他一直担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Krasner 先生目前担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您掌握 Krasner 先生目前的联系信息，包括其地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Krasner 先生目前的\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 36 of 105\n\n第 35 页 H. Kwok\n\n住址是什么？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Krasner 先生目前的电话号码是什么？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您知道如何联系 Yvette Wang，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您尚未将该信息提供给受托人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nROMNEY 律师：请口译员询问证人是否需要休息。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您知道如何联系 Krasner 先生，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：Avi，您没有听到我刚才记入记录的话吗？\n\nLUFT 律师：Aaron，我没有听到您说的话。抱歉。\n\nROMNEY 律师：哦，抱歉。我刚才请求口译员询问证人是否需要休息。\n\n口译员：哦，好的。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n（照办。）\n\n证人：是的。这很累人。我需要休息。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。Aaron，我还有大约两个问题就结束这一部分。我们能否先问完，然后再休息？\n\n证人：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您目前掌握 Krasner 先生的联系信息，包括地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您尚未将该信息提供给受托人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师：Aaron，如果您现在想休息，可以。您想休息多久？\n\nROMNEY 律师：您想休息多久？五分钟、十分钟？\n\n证人：十分钟。\n\nROMNEY 律师：十分钟？\n\nLUFT 律师：当然。\n\n录像员：我们将在\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 38 of 105\n\n第 37 页 H. Kwok\n\n上午 11:47 停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午 12:05 恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您对 Lady May 的航行具有最终决定权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您对 Lady May 船员将该游艇驶往何处拥有最终控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您于 2020 年指示将 Lady May 从 New York（纽约）驶往 Florida（佛罗里达），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lady May 于 2020 年秋季从纽约驶往佛罗里达，是因为您指示如此办理，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您于 2020 年秋季指示将 Lady May 从佛罗里达驶往 the Bahamas（巴哈马），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 39 of 105\n\n第 38 页 H. Kwok\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lady May 于 2020 年秋季从佛罗里达驶往巴哈马，是因为您指示船员如此办理，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您于 2021 年指示将 Lady May 驶往 Europe（欧洲），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lady May 于 2021 年驶往欧洲的原因，是您作出指示要求如此进行，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您指示将 Lady May 驶往欧洲，是为了使 Lady May 不落入您债权人的手中，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lady May 一直停留在欧洲，直至您授权其返回 the United States（美国），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是唯一有权命令 Lady May 返回美国的人，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 39 页 H. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，当您于 2021 年指示 Lady May 驶往欧洲时，您和您的女儿 Mei Guo（郭梅）知悉这样做会违反 Ostrager（奥斯特拉格）的命令，并导致您产生藐视法庭罚金，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lady May 于 2022 年返回 Connecticut（康涅狄格）水域，仅仅是因为您指示如此办理，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您认识一名名为 William Je（威廉·杰）的人士吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，William Je 是一名亲密的家庭朋友，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Je 先生被您的女儿称为“William 叔叔”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Je 先生担任代理人，对吗？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 41 of 105\n\n第 40 页 H. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Je 先生目前在您的商业交易中担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，于 2022 年 4 月，Je 先生——Je 先生就 Lady May 所采取的任何行动，都是以您的代理人身份采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Je 先生就商业交易采取的任何行动，都是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，就任何涉及您和 Je 先生的商业交易而言，Je 先生受您控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Je 先生依照您的指示，通过使用 Himalaya Farms（喜马拉雅农场）为您筹集资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，任何声称由 William Je 控制的资产，实际上均是由您控制的资产，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 42 of 105\n\n第 41 页 H. Kwok\n\n控制的资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，任何声称由 William Je 控制的实体，实际上均是由您控制的实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，日期为 April 19, 2022、由 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）作为出借方、HK USA 作为借款方的贷款协议，是应您的要求安排的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您控制 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited，对吗？\n\n证人：我现在想与我的律师交谈。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。\n\nROMNEY 律师：休息五分钟。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。\n\n录像员：我们将在下午 12:17 停止记录。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 42 页 H. Kwok\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午 12:24 恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Himalaya International Financial Group Limited 的所有资产均受您控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Himalaya International Financial Group 向 HK USA 出借的 \\$37 million 资金，是由您拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您控制 HK USA 就本 Chapter 11（第 11 章）案件存入托管的 \\$37 million，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，HK USA 就据称来自 Himalaya International 的 \\$37 million 贷款偿还 \\$37 million 本金的任何偿还款，\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第43页\n\nFinancial Group Limited 向您控制的实体支付的任何款项，都是如此，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，HK USA 就其从 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）取得的所谓 $37 million 贷款所支付的任何利息，都会支付给由您控制的实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，在 2022 年 2 月 7 日于 New York State Supreme Court（纽约州最高法院）Ostrager 法官面前举行的证据听证会上，您的利益在于让法院认定 HK USA 是 Lady May 的实益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对该问题提出异议。\n\n口译员：我没听清。有人在问题之后说了些什么。\n\nROMNEY 律师：能否将问题宣读一遍。\n\nLUFT 律师：能否先把它翻译出来，然后\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 45 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第44页\n\n再把它宣读一遍。\n\n口译员：（照办。）\n\nROMNEY 律师：我们能否先听取对问题的宣读？\n\n（记录员宣读了上一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，HK USA 和 Mei Guo（郭美）的律师出席了 2022 年 2 月 7 日的证据听证会，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，HK USA 和 Mei Guo 的律师协助在 2022 年 2 月 7 日的听证会上提出您的辩护，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，HK USA 和 Mei Guo 的律师在 2022 年 2 月 7 日的听证会上与您的律师合作，为您的案件作准备并提出您的案件，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第45页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您指示负责 2022 年 2 月 7 日证据听证会的律师，就该听证会与 HK USA 和 Mei Guo 订立共同利益协议，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：我将基于律师—当事人特权指示证人不要回答。\n\nLUFT 律师：Romney 律师，您知道那是在申请提交前，因此，任何共同利益均属于受托人，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：请记录员宣读该问题——请把问题宣读一遍。\n\n（记录员宣读了上一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY 律师：您可以回答。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，在 Ostrager 法官面前于 2022 年 2 月 7 日举行的证据听证会上，HK USA 和 Mei Guo 与您具有相同的利益，即让法院认定 HK USA 是 Lady May 的实益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第46页\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您就 Chapter 11（第11章）申请所提交的财产清单，本应将您对 Lady May 的实益所有权列为您破产财产的一项资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您就第11章申请所提交的财产清单，本应将您对 HK USA 的实益所有权列为破产财产的一项资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Golden Spring 和 Lamp Capital 用于支付 Lady May 费用的任何资产，包括与其有关的任何律师费，本应在您就第11章申请所提交的财产清单中申报为破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第47页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Golden Spring 持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lamp Capital 持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok（郭美尔）名义持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以您女儿 Mei Guo 名义持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以您妻子 Hing Chi Ngok 名义持有的全部资产实际上都是您破产财产的资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第48页\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您已指示设立众多离岸公司，不论其设于 BVI、Hong Kong 或其他地方，目的都是持有您的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您已安排以您子女、您妻子和您的商业伙伴的名义设立这些离岸公司，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，无论这些实体是否登记在您妻子、您女儿、您儿子、Wang 女士、Krasner 先生或您的任何其他商业伙伴名下，事实上，您拥有并控制这些离岸实体中的每一个，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您安排设立这些离岸实体的原因，是为了掩饰您对其所持资产的所有权，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第49页\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您安排设立这些离岸实体并将资产置入其中的原因，是试图向您的债权人隐匿您的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您的女儿 Mei Guo 担任成员、董事或主要负责人的所有实体，实际上均由您实益拥有并控制，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，HK USA、HK International、Eastern Profit Corporation Limited、Whitecroft Shore Limited、Anton Development Limited、Anton Development USA Limited LLC、GM27 LLC、Loss Draft LLC、Gypsy May Productions LLC、Gypsy May Food Service LLC、Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC、Hudson Diamond New York LLC、Allied Capital Global Limited、Creative Apex Investment Limited、Crystal Breeze Investments Limited、Elite Well Global Limited、Globalist International Limited、Infinite Increased Limited、Infinium Developments Limited、Noble Fame\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 51 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第50页\n\nGlobal Limited、Rosy Acme Ventures Limited、Leading Shine New York Limited 和 Leading Shine Limited，均是以您女儿名义持有、但实际上由您拥有并控制的资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以 Mei Guo 名义持有的全部资产，均是使用完全由您拥有和控制的资金购买的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：证人回答前，能否请记录员将该问题宣读一遍。\n\n（记录员宣读了上一个问题。）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以 Mei Guo 名义持有的全部资产，均完全由您拥有和控制，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 2015 年至今，用于支付与您有关的任何费用的资金，包括但不限于生活费用和律师费，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 52 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n并非由 Mei Guo 及其拥有或控制的任何实体提供，是吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：抱歉。我们也能否将那个问题宣读一遍。抱歉。\n\n（记录员宣读了上一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 2015 年至今，用于支付与您有关的任何费用的资金，包括但不限于生活费用和律师费，并非由居住在中国的您的任何家庭成员提供，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Mei Guo 除来自您拥有和控制的实体外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第52页 H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Mei Guo 从您拥有和控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，都是您赠与她的礼物，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Mei Guo 及以其名义设立的任何实体从您拥有和控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，即使在转移给 Guo 女士之后，仍然是由您控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Mei Guo 从未担任 Pangu Plaza（盘古大观）的首席执行官，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Mileson Kwok 除来自——除来自您拥有和控制的实体外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Mileson Kwok 及以其名义设立的任何实体从您拥有和控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，在您控制之下仍然属于资金\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 54 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第53页\n\n即使在被转让给 Mileson Kwok（郭强）之后，也是如此，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Mileson Kwok 从您拥有并控制的任何实体获得的任何资金，都是您赠与他的礼物，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，在 2015 年至今期间，用于支付与您有关的任何费用，包括但不限于生活费用和法律费用的资金，均非由 Mileson Kwok 及其拥有和控制的任何实体提供，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，所有以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义担任成员、董事或负责人的实体，实际上均由您实益拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第 54 页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Golden Spring New York Limited、Lamp Capital LLC、Bravo Luck Limited、Infinity Treasury Management, Inc.、Saraca Media Group, Inc.、K Legacy Limited、Well Origin Limited、ACA Hong Kong Investment Holdings Group Limited 和 Powerwell Flowable Limited 均以您儿子 Miles Kwok 的名义持有，但事实上由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，名为 Kingdom Rich Limited 的实体由您而非您的儿子拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的所有资产，均系以您拥有并控制的资金购买，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的所有资产\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 56 of 105\n\nH. Kwok 第 55 页\n\n事实上均由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，这包括位于伦敦 5 Princess Gate 的住所，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您拥有并控制您儿子 Mileson Kwok 的汽车收藏，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi，我们已经偏离本对抗程序中的争议事项相当远了。我一直给予了相当大的余地，但我将不得不开始指示证人不要回答；如有必要，我们将申请保护令。\n\n我不认为我们今天正在讨论的反诉中有任何关于汽车的指控。\n\n卢夫特先生：我不认同，我认为有。不过，我这里还有几个收尾问题，然后我想我们——我的下一组问题，我想您会看到——我认为\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok 第 56 页\n\n我们之间不会就其相关性产生任何争议。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的任何资产，均非由除您以外的其家庭成员拥有或控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok 名义持有的任何资产，均非以除您以外的其家庭成员拥有或控制的资金购买，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，2006 年 10 月 3 日，您注册成立了一家名为 Hong Kong International Funds Limited 的香港实体，我们一直将其称为 HK International，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，当时 Hong Kong International 的全部资产均属于您，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok 第 57 页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，截至并包括 2014 年 10 月 10 日，您一直是 Hong Kong International 的唯一股东和董事，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，2014 年 10 月，Natasha Qu（屈国娇），又名 Qu Guo Jiao，是您的财务经理，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Qu 女士当时处理您的财务事务，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，当时 Qu 女士是您的雇员，并就与您财务有关的一切事项担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您与 Qu 女士订立的、已标记为证据 1 的《信托声明》，将 Qu 女士确定为受托人，并将您确定为受益人，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok 第 58 页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，已标记为证据 1 的该《信托声明》，我将称之为“HK International 信托声明”，是与 Qu 女士订立的——抱歉——该声明是与 Qu 女士订立的，授权并要求 Qu 女士持有您在 Hong Kong International 的主要股份，对吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：我将撤回该问题，因为我认为表达得不够清楚。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，根据您与 Qu 女士订立的 HK International 信托声明，您授权并要求 Qu 女士以您的名义持有 Hong Kong International 的股份，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您与 Qu 女士订立的 HK International 信托声明规定，您转让给 Qu 女士的股份不属于 Qu 女士，而是属于作为该协议项下受益人的您，对吗？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 60 of 105\n\nH. Kwok 第 59 页\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您与 Qu 女士订立的 HK International 信托声明规定，Qu 女士将作为您的代名人并为您以信托方式持有您转让给她的 Hong Kong International 股份，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，根据您与 Qu 女士订立的 HK International 信托声明，Qu 女士仅应依照您的指示行使与您转让给她的 HK International 股份有关的权利，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，即使在 2014 年 10 月 10 日之后，您仍根据未披露的 HK International 信托声明实益拥有 HK International，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。此外，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 61 of 105\n\nH. Kwok 第 60 页\n\n已问已答。\n\n证人：已问已答。好的。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，2014 年 10 月 10 日之后，您仍继续控制 HK International，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。已问已答。\n\n答：我相当困惑。您在问同样的问题。每次都是同样的问题，一遍又一遍。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，我不认为是这样。您的律师可以提出已问已答的异议，尽管这在讯问中并非适当的异议。话虽如此，他可以提出该异议，但我仍需要您回答这个问题。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，2015 年 2 月 23 日，HK International 按照您的指示，以 EUR 28 million 从 Apsley Yacht Limited 购买 Lady May，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 62 of 105\n\nH. Kwok 第 61 页\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，2015 年 2 月，您实益独自拥有并控制 Bravo Luck Limited，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，至今您仍实益拥有并控制 Bravo Luck Limited，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，2015 年 2 月 23 日，Bravo Luck Limited 按照您的指示，从您独自控制的 UBS 的 Bravo Luck 银行账户转移资金，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我请求法庭记录员将 Bates 编号为 UBS00137 至 156 的文件标记为 Kwok PJR 讯问证据 2。\n\nWill，如果您能把第 190 标签页调出来。\n\n（Kwok PJR 证据 2 已于本日收到并标记用于识别。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 63 of 105\n\nH. Kwok 第 62 页\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：您能把它放大一些吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，这是 Bravo Luck 的一份 2015 年 UBS 银行对账单，显示该账户中由您实益拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，该 UBS 的 Bravo Luck 账户中代您持有的资金，来自 Eastern Profit Corporation 的 370 million 和 Hong Kong International 的 150 million，这两个实体均由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问法提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我请求法庭记录员将 Bates 编号为 UBS02746 的文件标记为 Kwok PJR 讯问证据 3。\n\n（Kwok PJR 证据 3 已于本日收到并标记用于识别。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok 第 63 页\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：这显示了为购买 Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）而进行的 UBS（瑞银）25 million 电汇吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：这是一个问题吗？我不知道你是否在说话。\n\n卢夫特先生：我只是在铺垫。等他能看到它时，我会问他一个问题，Aaron（亚伦）。\n\n罗姆尼先生：是，是。我只是想澄清一下。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。我不想在他看到该文件之前问他这个问题。\n\n罗姆尼先生：是。\n\n请把它放大一点。\n\n谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok（郭文贵）先生，首先，如果我们向下滚动，您认得文件上的签名吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，那是您的签名，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，这是一份 UBS 电汇文件，显示从我们刚刚在证物2中看到其对账单的 UBS 银行账户中转出 \\$25 million 资金，用于\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 65 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n为您购买 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi（阿维），这份证物2是否已向本对抗程序的各方提供？\n\n卢夫特先生：我得就此回复您。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对我们一直讨论的 UBS 银行账户拥有排他性控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您的儿子 Mileson Kwok（郭强）未参与任何与 HK International（香港国际）收购 Lady May 有关的交易，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：Aaron，现在是1:22。你们想休午餐吗？你们想继续吗？\n\n我也顾及法庭记录员、录像员以及译员。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok Page 65\n\n抱歉，Jingyi（静怡）。\n\n罗姆尼先生：你预计今天还剩多少内容？\n\n（庭外进行了讨论。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午1:22停止记录。\n\n（下午1:22休庭午餐。）\n\n（下午2:00恢复证言录取。）\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 67 of 105\n\nH. Kwok Page 66\n\n************************************************\n\n下 午 庭 审\n\n************************************************\n\n录像员：我们于下午2:00恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：下午好，Kwok先生。\n\n答：下午好。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您熟悉在您的 Chapter 11（第11章）案件中提交的拟议 Chapter 11 计划，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您知道，根据由您在 Brown Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克律师事务所）的律师提出并提交的计划，其中提到了所谓的“船只出资”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，根据该船只出资计划，Lady May 将被出资给债权人信托，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，在包括船只出资在内的 Chapter 11 计划被提出时，您是 Lady May 的受益所有人并控制该游艇\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 68 of 105\n\nH. Kwok Page 67\n\n，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，拟议计划下的船只出资实际上并非由 HK USA（香港美国）作出的出资，因为您的财产已经是 Lady May 的受益所有人并控制该游艇，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您知道 HK USA 对您提起了一项对抗程序，主张 Lady May 的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您知道 HK USA 提起该对抗程序，是为了使 Lady May 被视为 HK USA 和您的女儿 Mei Guo（郭美）作出的出资，以证明她们有理由根据该计划获得责任豁免，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，与该计划下的船只出资同时提起该对抗程序的计划\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 69 of 105\n\nH. Kwok Page 68\n\n，是由您的律师及 HK USA 的律师共同达成的计划，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，在本程序中，您的代理律师是一位名叫 Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）的人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Mitchell先生同时担任 HK USA 和 Mei Guo 的律师，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：就您在 Chapter 11 程序中的代理，以及在对抗诉讼中对 HK USA 和 Mei Guo 与 Chapter 11 程序有关事项的代理而言，您认为 Mitchell先生不存在利益冲突，因为您是您的财产、HK USA 及 Lady May 的受益所有人并控制它们，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我请求将 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 4——让我撤回这句话。\n\n我请求将 ECF299——即强制\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 70 of 105\n\nPage 69\n\nH. Kwok\n\nHK International Funds Investments (USA) Limited, LLC（香港国际基金投资（美国）有限责任公司）运输并交付该特定游艇“Lady May”的协议裁定——标记为 Kwok PJR 证言录取证物第4号，并向证人出示。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR 证物4已被接收并标记以供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您已通过您的律师同意受该裁定约束，对吗？\n\n答：我不懂英语。\n\n问：我的问题是，您是否指示您的律师同意您受已标记为证物4的这份协议裁定约束？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示 HK USA 的律师同意受该协议约束，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，作为 HK USA 的受益所有人和控制人，您指示您的女儿同意受该协议约束，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您同意由 William Je（杰威廉）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 71 of 105\n\nH. Kwok\n\n于 April 13, 2022 汇出 \\$37 million 作为保证金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Je先生的——让我撤回这句话。\n\nKwok先生，Himalaya Capital（喜马拉雅资本）与 HK USA 之间的贷款协议，这两个实体均由您拥有和控制，于 April 19, 2022 达成，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示 HK USA 和 Himalaya Capital 双方签订该 \\$37 million 贷款协议，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，抱歉。我一直将其称为“Himalaya International Capital”。我的意思是 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）。\n\n该更正是否改变了您任何一个回答？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok Page 71\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：为清楚起见，Kwok先生，您于 April 2022 拥有并控制 Himalaya International Financial Group，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：已问及并已回答。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，证物4中载明的条款，即强制 HK International Funds Investments 运输并交付 Lady May 的协议裁定，与您决定让 Himalaya International Financial Group 向 HK USA 贷款 \\$37 million 无关，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您本会——抱歉。让我撤回这句话。\n\nKwok先生，无论就强制返还 Lady May 的协议裁定将要约定任何条款，HK USA 均是在您的指示下与 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited 签订了该 \\$37 million 贷款，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok Page 72\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：可以把该问题读回吗？\n\n证人：抱歉。我想我——或许午餐吃了不好的东西。我感到不适，需要去洗手间，而且可能需要一段时间。\n\n卢夫特先生：Kwok先生，没问题。处理您需要处理的任何事情，您回来后我会在这里。\n\n录像员：我们于下午2:18停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午2:27恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，在 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited 之前，将向 HK USA 贷款 \\$37 million 的一方——该实体——是 ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是 ACA Capital Group Limited 的唯一受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-18 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 74 of 105\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n问：郭先生，您对ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司）拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是ACA Capital Group Limited的所有资产的实益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您对ACA Capital Group Limited的资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您对Saraca Media Group Limited（Saraca媒体集团有限公司）拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您对Saraca Media Group拥有独占实益所有权，对吗？\n\n郭先生，您拥有独占实益——您是Saraca Media Group的独占实益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您安排汇入$37 million以缴纳保释金，是为了让您能够免于入狱，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生（罗姆尼先生）：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第74页\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特先生）讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，由于您出于免于入狱的动机，无论与其返还有关的任何条款为何，或者Lady May（梅夫人号）抵达后该款项将如何处理，您都会安排汇入$37 million以缴纳保释金，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：郭先生，我想向您出示一份我将标记为证据的材料，即一段来自Vice（Vice）的视频，我将请我的同事播放。该材料将标记为证据5。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证据5已接收并标记供识别。）\n\n证人：有问题吗？\n\nLUFT先生：抱歉，郭先生，没有问题。当时没有任何音频。一旦我能让它播放，我会问您一个问题。\n\n有人听到声音吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：我们没有听到任何声音。\n\nFARMER先生（法默先生）：声音问题。抱歉。\n\nLUFT先生：慢慢来，Will。\n\n证人：没有声音。\n\nFARMER先生：既然如此，我们可能需要\n\n案件 22-50073 文件1797-18 提交于05/16/23 录入于05/16/23 23:52:24 第76页，共105页\n\n第75页 H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n回到这份证据，我会研究如何调整音频。\n\nLUFT先生：不如我们先在没有声音的情况下播放一次，我们会尽力处理，Will，您可以继续处理。\n\nWill，您能播放证据5吗？\n\nFARMER先生：（照办。）\n\n（视频在无音频的情况下播放。）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，您是否认出您是该视频中的其中一人？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，尽管我们无法听到音频，但在字幕中，您多次提到——指称“我的游艇”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您向Vice News（Vice新闻）采访者提到“我的游艇”时所指的游艇是Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，证据5看来是您接受Vice News采访的真实、准确副本，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第76页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：Will，我能否请您放出下一段视频。我们将其标记为证据6。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证据6已接收并标记供识别。）\n\n（视频连同音频播放。）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，您是作为证据6的视频中发言的人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，视频录制时您在Lady May上，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，该视频创作于2022年11月，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，该视频发布在您拥有并控制的Vetter（音译）社交媒体网络上，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，标记为证据6的视频，是您于2022年11月在Lady May甲板上讲话的真实、准确副本\n\n案件 22-50073 文件1797-18 提交于05/16/23 录入于05/16/23 23:52:24 第78页，共105页\n\n第77页 H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：Will，我能否请您播放下一段视频，我们将其标记为Kwok PJR证言证据第7号。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证据7已接收并标记供识别。）\n\n（视频连同音频播放。）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，该视频中发言的人是您，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该视频中，那是您所接受采访的真实、准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该视频中，您谈到了出售Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该视频中，您谈到2015年购买Lady May时，该游艇当时被交付至迈阿密，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May一直在\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件1797-18 提交于05/16/23 录入于05/16/23 23:52:24 第79页，共105页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第78页\n\n美国境内，自2015年以来如此，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在Lady May位于美国期间，您一直都在美国境内，对吗？\n\n撤回该问题。\n\n郭先生，您自2015年以来一直居住在美国，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的女儿Mei Guo（郭梅）直到2017年才来到美国，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，2015年购买Lady May时，该游艇并未交付至Mei Guo居住的地点，而是实际上交付至您居住的美国，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该船于2015年交付至迈阿密至2017年6月期间，您经常使用——您经常登上并驾驶Lady May航行，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第79页\n\n问：郭先生，在此期间，您的女儿Mei Guo从未踏上过Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在2015年至2017年6月期间对Lady May的使用，与您自2017年6月至今对Lady May的使用没有任何不同，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n证人：王女士，我需要再去一下洗手间。我感觉不舒服。\n\nLUFT先生：我们休息一下，您可以去。\n\n证人：我真的很抱歉。\n\nLUFT先生：不。请您照顾好自己。\n\n录像员：我们于下午2:49停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午2:54恢复记录。\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，我将请我的同事\n\n案件 22-50073 文件1797-18 提交于05/16/23 录入于05/16/23 23:52:24 第81页，共105页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第80页\n\n再次展示证据5；我现在得知，我们已有音频。\n\nFARMER先生：请稍候。\n\n（视频连同音频播放。）\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，现在您能够听到该视频的音频，您是否同意该视频是您接受Vice News采访的真实、准确副本？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在作为证据5的视频中听到了多次提到“我的游艇”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在证据5中反复称为“我的游艇”的游艇是Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：我将请我的同事Will Farmer（威尔·法默）展示下一段视频，我们将其标记为本次证言的证据8。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证据8已接收并标记供识别。）\n\n（视频连同音频播放。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第81页\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，您看到自己位于该通话——该通话视频的左上角，您下方显示的姓名是Miles，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您进行的通话的真实、准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该通话中，您告诉参与者，如有任何问题，应联系William Je（威廉·杰），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在您进行的该通话视频中，您告诉参与者，如有关于向您拥有和控制的实体转移资金的问题，应与您的代理人William Je交谈，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：Will，您能否——我请您将下一份证据标记为证据9，我相信那是一则日期为May 10, 2017的Tweet（推文）。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR证据9已接收并标记供识别。）\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第82页\n\nLUFT先生讯问：\n\n问：郭先生，您在这份证据中认出自己吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您发布的该则推文的真实、准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这则日期为May 10, 2017的推文中，您称您正在发布“我送给女儿并以她的名字命名的游艇”的照片，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在这则推文中还写道：“我以EUR 41 million购买了Lady May”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您看到其下方了吗？如果我们向下滚动，那里还有一则日期为August 27, 2017的推文。\n\n郭先生，您看到了吗？\n\n答：王女士，问题是什么？\n\n问：您是否看到了位于那则含有您照片的推文下方、日期为August 27, 2017的推文？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第83页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：您看到——这是您于 August 27, 2017 发布的推文的真实准确副本吗，郭先生？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在这条推文中将 Lady May（“五月花女士号”）称为“我的船”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：这些话是您写的，对吗，郭先生？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在这条推文中还写道：“这是两年前的事，当时我在迈阿密，刚刚签署了我一生中最重要的投资合同！”感叹号。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您与谁签署了您一生中最重要的投资合同？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是代表自己签署该投资合同的，而不是作为他人的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 85 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第84页\n\n问：郭先生，您如何处置因签署该投资合同而获得的资产？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一家名为“HCHK Property Management Inc.（HCHK物业管理公司）”的实体，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，为作记录，就今天我向您出示的视频证物而言，如果我将这些视频描述为真实准确的录像，而非真实准确的副本，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：在这个问题中，问题是什么？\n\n问：就我们今天审阅过的视频证物而言，即证物 5、6、7 和 8，我曾问您它们是否为真实准确的副本。\n\n我想知道的是，如果我同样问您它们是否为这些视频的真实准确录像，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一家名为“HCHK Technologies Inc.（HCHK技术公司）”的公司，对吗？\n\n口译员：HCHK Technologies, Inc.，这是公司的名称吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生：是的，女士。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，一名叫 Elliot Dordick（埃利奥特·多迪克）的人与 HCHK Technologies, Inc. 和 HCHK Property Management, Inc. 有关联，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，多迪克先生就本案 Chapter 11 受托人所作和采取的一切行为及陈述，（听不清），均是在您的指示和控制下作出的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：我提出异议。再一次，我们似乎已经远远超出了本对抗程序中任何事项的范围。\n\n请继续回答这个问题，但除非提出证明要约，我将开始指示证人不要回答这一系列问题。\n\n请继续。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，除 Lady May 外，您还拥有并控制另一艘名为 Lady May II（“五月花女士二号”）的船，对吗？\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 87 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第86页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Lady May II 与 Lady May 一样，也是您破产财产的一项资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May II 目前位于何处？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）此前曾担任您的律师，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：波德哈斯基先生是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，波德哈斯基先生曾作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，波德哈斯基先生作为 Golden Spring（金泉）的律师所采取的一切行为，实际上均是在您的指示下并为您的利益而采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Daniel Podhaskie 就 Golden Spring、Leading Shine Limited（领盛有限公司）、Saraca Media Group（萨拉卡媒体集团）、Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）、Rule of Law Society（法治协会）及 Sherry-Netherland（雪莉-尼德兰）公寓所采取的一切行为，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 88 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Anthony D'Battista（安东尼·德巴蒂斯塔）也是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：德巴蒂斯塔先生就其与 Saraca Media 的所有 G 实体相关的工作，作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n（书记员澄清。）\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，德巴蒂斯塔先生就其与 G 实体有关的所有活动，作为您的代理人并在您的指示下行事；我所指的 G 实体包括 G Fashion、G Music、G Club、Getter，以及 Saraca Media，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道 Fiona Yu（余菲奥娜）是谁，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：您指示余菲奥娜在就向您的律师 Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯律师事务所）咨询有关向您的债权人隐匿 Lady May 的法律意见时，作为您的代理人发言，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 89 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第88页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，同样地，余女士就 ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司）所采取的一切行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：并且，郭先生，您任命余菲奥娜担任 ACA Capital Group Limited 的公司秘书；该实体由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Karen Maistrello（凯伦·迈斯特雷洛）是另一名就您的商业交易作为您的代理人行事的人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：为作记录，Maistrello 拼写为 M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O。\n\n证人：我需要回答吗？\n\nLUFT先生：不需要。我只是向法庭记录员提供该信息，郭先生。您无需做任何事。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，迈斯特雷洛女士是您的雇员，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第89页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道一名叫 Han Chunguang（韩春光）的人吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Eastern Profit Limited（东方利润有限公司）是以您女儿 Mei Guo（郭梅）的名义设立的实体，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：并且，郭先生，春光先生就 Eastern Profit 所采取的一切行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，春光先生就与您有关的任何实体相关的一切事务，作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：我提出异议。再一次，我们正在远远偏离 HK 对抗程序中相对狭窄的来回指控范围。\n\nLUFT先生：我不同意。这是又一个以郭女士名义设立的实体。\n\nROMNEY先生：又一个实体？\n\n第90页 H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生：对。与一种一贯的活动模式和做法相一致。\n\nROMNEY先生：您可以回答该问题。我认为，虽然已经相当偏离了，但我尚未基于相关性指示证人不要回答问题。我告诉您，这个问题已经非常接近界限了。\n\n请继续。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：我向韩先生致歉。有人告诉我 Han 是他的姓氏。\n\n郭先生，当我说 Han Chunguang 时，您明白我所指的是谁，并且 Han 是姓氏，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：作出该澄清后，郭先生，这会改变您此前就 Han Chunguang 所作的任何回答吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭女士，Lady May 并非您拥有并控制且以您女儿名义登记的唯一一辆——并非您拥有并控制且以您女儿名义登记的唯一交通工具，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第91页\n\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您作为受益所有人拥有并且——控制 Whitecroft Shores Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）；该公司是一家以您女儿名义设立的 BVI 公司，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：刚才那一段音频模糊了。\n\nLUFT先生：当然。我很乐意再问一遍。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您作为受益所有人拥有并控制 Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）；该公司是一家登记在您女儿 Mei Guo 名下的 BVI 公司，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您将您的资产 Bombardier Global XRS（一架序列号为 9189 的飞机）置入 Whitecroft Shore Limited 名下，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，尽管该飞机始终登记在 Whitecroft Shore Limited 名下，您仍是该飞机的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 93 页，共 105 页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） 第92页\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，同样地，您是 Airbus ACJ319（空中客车 ACJ319）的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，用于购买 Bombardier Global XRS 和 Airbus ACJ319 的全部资金均属于您，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nROMNEY先生：Avi，我确实认为我们需要继续进行。我明白您的观点，也理解您的观点。您试图证明某种行为模式。我并不是说我同意这一点，但我理解您正在做的事情所依据的概念。不过，我认为，在几乎完全相同的问题中深入探究多个实体的多层架构，正变得极其重复，超出 Rule 26 的范围，并且已达到类似骚扰行为的程度。\n\n我这样说并非不尊重；我只是这么说，以便我们今天之后都能继续生活，或者继续\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 94 页，共 105 页\n\n第93页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n继续过我们今天的生活，因为这已经极其超出范围了。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。我听到了您的观点。我不同意您的观点。话虽如此，我认为您理解我试图表达的观点，以及我为何认为这具有相关性。\n\n我会尽量继续进行。我认为剩下的不多了，我会尽量迅速进行。\n\nROMNEY 先生：谢谢。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\nROMNEY 先生：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生：再谈几个实体和几个人，我认为就可以了。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您认识一位名叫 Zhang Wei（张伟）的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Zhang Wei 就与您有关的任何资产或实体所采取的任何行动，都是在您的指示和控制下采取的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第95页，共105页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Zhang Wei 从未是 Genever Holdings LLC（Genever Holdings 有限责任公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\n（记录员澄清。）\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：Zhang Wei 从未是 G-E-N-E-V-E-R，Genever Holdings LLC 的所有人，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：对该问题提出异议。该问题涉及另一正在进行的程序，而 Guo 女士和 HKI 显然已经是该程序的当事方。这超出了本对抗程序的范围。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：您可以回答，Kwok 先生。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，我们先前谈到过 Bravo Luck Limited（Bravo Luck 有限公司）。\n\nZhang Wei 从未是 Bravo Luck Limited 的所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：关于此事的最后一个问题，然后我会继续。\n\nZhang Wei 从未是 Genever Holdings Corporation（Genever Holdings 公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是 Greenwich Land LLC（Greenwich Land 有限责任公司）的受益所有人并对其实施控制，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：我将提出异议，并指示证人不要回答。该实体与本对抗程序中的任何当事方完全无关。\n\nLUFT 先生：Aaron，让我先奠定更多基础，然后希望您会理解，好吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）和 Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）二人均以代表您在 Golden Spring（Golden Spring）所任职务，就 Lady May（“Lady May”号）采取了相关行动，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Krasner 先生和 Wang 女士还同时在 Greenwich Land LLC 任职，对吗？\n\n证人：抱歉。我需要再去一次洗手间。我的肚子又在响了。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。Kwok 先生，我只需要您回答这个问题，因为在问题尚待回答时我们不能休息，但之后我会让您休息。\n\n答：我刚刚已经回答了，第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。我们休息一下，您可以去洗手间。\n\n录像员：我们于下午3:37停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午3:43恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，我再问您一次，您是 Greenwich Land LLC 的受益所有人并对其实施控制，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。Kwok 先生，我请求将该文件——\n\nLUFT 先生：Will，如果您能将其标记为 Kwok PJR 证词附件10——Will，如果您能展示一份题为“信托声明及协议”的文件。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第98页，共105页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n以及协议。”该文件位于标签211。\n\n（Kwok PJR 附件10于本日收到并标记以供识别。）\n\nLUFT 先生：Will，如果您翻到最后一页。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您在本页——最后一页——看到了您的签名吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，这份信托协议，即——据称的信托协议，已标记为附件10，在购买 Sherry-Netherland（Sherry-Netherland）公寓完成交割的 2015年3月6日时并不存在，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：我将提出异议。该文件再次成为争议对象。它是另一对抗程序中直接争议的问题，而该程序的当事方不在这里。我看不出该文件与 HK USA 或 Guo 女士有任何重要性或任何关联性。\n\nLUFT 先生：嗯，参与 Bravo Luck Limited 的实体，正是据称为购买 Lady May 和 Sherry-Netherland 公寓提供资金的同一实体。我认为这具有直接相关性。我乐意不在此花太多时间，但我希望我的问题得到回答。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生：Kwok 先生，我们何不休息五分钟。我可能已经结束了。所以让我核对一下我的笔记。可以吗？\n\n录像员：我们于下午3:47停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午3:54恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 先生：Kwok 先生，您的律师和我已讨论过这样一种想法：如果法院同意，可以不由您在 PJR 听证会上作现场证言，而使用这份证词记录。我希望法院会同意。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：但是让我问一下，如果无论出于何种原因，您必须在本听证会上作现场证言，并被问到今天向您提出的完全相同的问题，您是否会作出相同的回答？\n\nROMNEY 先生：我理解正确吗，该问题假定不存在异议，或者假定所提出的异议未获支持？\n\n这是对该问题的恰当限定吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：我的问题假定您未放弃对您今天提出异议的任何问题提出异议的权利。\n\nROMNEY 先生：谢谢。\n\n口译员：证人刚才说了“是”。那没有被口译。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生讯问：\n\n问：为清楚起见，Kwok 先生，您对我的问题的回答是“是”吗？\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT 先生：Kwok 先生，此时我没有其他问题要问您。非常感谢您今天给我们的时间。\n\nROMNEY 先生：谢谢。我没有要问证人的问题。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第101页，共105页\n\n第100页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n证人：我想借此机会也感谢您——向今天在场的每一位表示感谢。很抱歉，因为我感到不适，所以浪费了大家不少时间。\n\n但我想感谢所有专业的问题，也想向各位口译员表示感谢，包括 Wang 女士和 Luyi，以及今天在场的法庭记录员、所有律师和我们的录像员。\n\n我还想请您代我向该信托和 Luc 先生问好并转达我的致意。\n\nLUFT 先生：我一定会转达这些致意，Kwok 先生，我也附和您对法庭记录员、录像员和译员的感谢，他们今天都完成了非常出色的工作。谢谢。\n\n录像员：这标志着证词记录结束。我们于下午3:59停止记录。\n\n（证词记录继续——下一页）\n\n第101页\n\nLUFT 先生：常规指令。\n\nROMNEY 先生：我们会要一份副本，但不要速记稿。\n\nSONG 女士：同样。\n\nROMNEY 先生：我们也会要求提供视频副本。\n\n（记录时间：下午3:59。）\n\n____________________________\n\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）\n\n于 2023 年 ______ 月 ______ 日在我面前签署并宣誓。\n\n_______________________\n\n第102页\n\n证明\n\n康涅狄格州）\n\n：ss\n\n本人 Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安杰拉·M. 肖-克罗克特），纽约州、新泽西州和康涅狄格州境内及为该等州服务的认证法庭记录员、注册优秀记录员及公证人，特此证明：\n\n上述证词记录所载证人 HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）已由本人正式宣誓，且该证词记录是该证人所作证言的真实记录。\n\n本人进一步证明，本人与本案任何当事方均无血缘或婚姻关系，且本人对本案结果不存在任何利益关系。\n\n兹证明，本人于 2023 年3月2日于此签名。\n\nANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT（安杰拉·M. 肖-克罗克特）, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR\n\n执照编号 XI00218400\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第104页，共105页\n\n共105页\n\n第103页\n\n目录\n\nLUFT 先生 7\n\n附件\n\n（由法庭记录员保管）\n\n证词记录 附件 页码\n\n附件1 信托声明 19\n\n附件2 UBS 账户对账单，Bravo Luck Ltd.，Bates 编号 UBS00137 62\n\nUBS02746 附件3 电汇，15 March 2015，Bates 编号 63\n\n附件4 约定命令 69\n\n附件5 Vice 视频 74\n\n附件6 视频 76\n\n附件7 视频 77\n\n附件8 视频 80\n\n附件9 推文，日期为 May 10, 2017 82\n\n附件10 信托声明及协议 97\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-18 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第105页，共105页\n\n共105页\n\n案件名称：关于 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n证言录取日期：March 2, 2023\n\n证人姓名：郭文贵\n\n理由代码：\n\n1. 澄清记录。\n\n2. 使其符合事实。\n\n3. 更正誊写错误。\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n__________________________________\n\n郭文贵","key_entities":["Kwok","Je","Guo","Himalaya","Ho Wan Kwok","William Je","Saraca","CIPA","HCHK","Paul Hastings"],"ecf_references":[{"doc_number":299,"court":"CTB"}],"word_count":32070,"status":"published","published_at":"2023-05-16 00:00:00","created_at":"2023-05-16","updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:30:48"}