{"id":"court_ctb_1797_8","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":1797,"sub_number":8,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2023-05-16","title":"Exhibit 8 | ·1 | Page 1","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **Exhibit 8**\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 2 of\n\n211\n\n| ·1 | Page 1 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· ·UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT |\n| | ·3· ·DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT |\n| | ·4· ·BRIDGEPORT DIVISION |\n| | ·5· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| | ·6· ·In Re: |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Chapter 11
·7· · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK,· · · · · · · · · Case No. |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·22-50073 (JAM)
·8· · · · · · · · · · · ·Debtor. |\n| | ·9· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| 10 | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MEI GUO |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · ·Friday, January 20, 2023 |\n| 13 | |\n| 14 | |\n| | 15· ·Reported by: |\n| | 16· ·Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR |\n| | 17· ·Job No. 221677 |\n| 18 | |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\nPage 2 ·1 ·2 ·3· · · · · · · · ·January 20, 2023 ·4· · · · · · · · ·10:34 a.m. ·5 ·6· ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MEI GUO, held at Chiesa ·7· ·Shahinian & Giantomasi, 11 Times Square, New York, ·8· ·New York, before Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a ·9· ·Certified Court Reporter, Certified Realtime 10· ·Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary 11· ·Public of the States of New York, New Jersey, 12· ·and Connecticut. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 4 of\n\n211\n\nYVer1f\n\nPage 3 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·A P P E A R A N C E S: ·3· ·PAUL HASTINGS LLP · · · · · · Attorneys for TRUSTEE ·4· · · · · 200 Park Avenue · · · · · · New York, New York 10166 ·5 · · ·BY:· AVRAM LUFT, ESQ. ·6· · · · DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ. ·7 ·8· ·CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL ·9· · · · · MEI GUO · · · · · · One Boland Drive 10· · · · · West Orange, New Jersey 07052 11· ·BY:· ·LEE VARTAN, ESQ. 12 13· ·ZEISLER & ZEISLER, P.C. · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL 14· · · · · MEI GUO · · · · · · 10 Middle Street 15· · · · · Bridgeport, Connecticut 06604 16· ·BY:· ·AARON ROMNEY, ESQ. 17 18· ·ALSO PRESENT:· Chris Johnson, The Videographer 19· · · · · · · · · Luyi Song, Law Clerk, Paul Hastings 20· · · · · · · · · Jingyi Wang, Mandarin Interpreter 21· · · · · · · · · Una Wilkinson, Mandarin Check Interpreter 22· · · · · · \\*\\*· · · · · · · \\*\\*· · · · · · · ·\\*\\* 23 24 25\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 4 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are now on the | |\n| ·3· ·record.· This is the start of media labeled | |\n| ·4· ·number 1 of the video-recorded deposition of | |\n| ·5· ·Mei Guo in the matter in reference to | |\n| ·6· ·Ho Wan Kwok in the United States Bankruptcy | |\n| ·7· ·Court, District of Connecticut, Bridgeport | |\n| ·8· ·Division, Chapter 11, Case Number 22-50073 | |\n| ·9· ·(JAM). | |\n| 10· · · · This deposition is being held at Chiesa | |\n| 11· ·Shahinian & Giantomasi PC, 11 Times Square, | |\n| 12· ·34th Floor, New York, New York 10001. | |\n| 13· · · · Today is Friday, January 20, 2023.· The | |\n| 14· ·time on the video monitor is approximately | |\n| 15· ·10:34 a.m. | |\n| 16· · · · My name is Chris Johnson.· I'm the legal | |\n| 17· ·video specialist from TSG Reporting | |\n| 18· ·Incorporated, headquartered at 228 East 45th | |\n| 19· ·Street, Suite 810, New York, New York 10017. | |\n| 20· · · · The court reporter today is | |\n| 21· ·Angela Shaw-Crockett, also in association with | |\n| 22· ·TSG Reporting. | |\n| 23· · · · Would all counsel present please introduce | |\n| 24· ·yourselves and the parties you represent. | |\n| 25· · · · MR. LUFT:· My name is Avi Luft.· I'm with | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 5 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · the law firm of Paul Hastings.· I represent the ·3· · · · Chapter 11 Trustee in this matter. ·4· · · · · · ·With me are my colleague, Doug Barron, and ·5· · · · law clerk Luyi Song. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Good morning.· Lee Vartan ·7· · · · from the law firm of Chiesa Shahinian & ·8· · · · Giantomasi.· We won't hold that against the ·9· · · · videographer.· We just go by \"CSG law.\"· And I 10· · · · represent both HKI and Mei Guo. 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· My name is Aaron Romney. I'm 12· · · · with Zeisler & Zeisler.· I represent Ms. Guo, 13· · · · HK International.· I also represent the debtor 14· · · · in this proceeding, Mr. Miles Kwok. 15· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Can she put her mask back 16· · · · on? 17· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Will the court reporter 18· · · · please swear in the witness and the 19· · · · interpreters, and we may proceed. 20· ·J I N G Y I· ·W A N G, 21· · · · · having been first duly sworn by a Notary 22· · · · · Public within and for the State of New 23· · · · · York, translated the questions from 24· · · · · English to Mandarin and the answers 25· · · · · from Mandarin to English under oath as\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 6 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·2· · · · · follows: | |\n| ·3· · Mei Guo, having been called as a witness, having been first | |\n| ·4· ·duly sworn (through an interpreter),· was examined and | |\n| ·5· ·testified as follows:· EXAMINATION | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Good morning, Ms. Guo.· How are you? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·Very well, thank you. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, my understanding is that you're | |\n| 10· ·going to testify in Mandarin today, which is great, | |\n| 11· ·but I also understand that you understand some | |\n| 12· ·English. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Just so we have a clear record, I ask that | |\n| 14· ·we just do one or the other.· So to the extent we're | |\n| 15· ·going to use the translator, please wait for the | |\n| 16· ·translator even if you understand my question in | |\n| 17· ·English. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·Is that okay? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Thank you. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Before we go on, one quick | |\n| 21· · · · clarification. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·Mr. Romney, are you appearing for the | |\n| 23· · · · debtor for this deposition, or were you just | |\n| 24· · · · stating that you, in other matters, having to | |\n| 25· · · · represent the debtor? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 8 of\n\n211\n\nPage 7 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· That's a fair point.· The ·3· · · · debtor is not a party to this proceeding, so I ·4· · · · will -- I'm appearing for Ms. Guo -- Guo and ·5· · · · HK International today. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Got it. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, could I ask you to just state 11· ·your name for the record. 12· · · · A.· ·In English? 13· · · · Q.· ·Please, if you can. 14· · · · A.· ·Mei Guo, M-E-I G-U-O. 15· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Guo, what is your current 16· ·residence? 17· · · · A.· ·I live in New York. 18· · · · Q.· ·+ Could you please give me what address 19· ·you live in? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· We would just -- for the 21· · · · record, we'd object to giving her exact address 22· · · · for security reasons. 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· If you'd like to mark it as -- 24· · · · under the protective order as confidential or 25· · · · highly confidential, I'm happy to do so, but I\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 9 of 211\n\n| | Page 8 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | |\n| ·2· ·think the witness needs to answer the question. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I don't know why her precise | |\n| ·4· ·address in New York City is important.· She | |\n| ·5· ·lives in the city.· She's made that | |\n| ·6· ·representation on the record.· I don't know | |\n| ·7· ·that we need to go deeper than that. | |\n| ·8· · · · MR. LUFT:· Well, when you do an | |\n| ·9· ·examination, you can choose to go as deep as | |\n| 10· ·you like.· I think it's important that we know | |\n| 11· ·what address she lives at, and I'm entitled to | |\n| 12· ·know it. | |\n| 13· · · · And I'm happy to mark it as highly | |\n| 14· ·confidential, as we're doing with all other | |\n| 15· ·information that's sensitive in the case, but | |\n| 16· ·I'd ask the witness to answer the question. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'll let the translator speak | |\n| 18· ·first and then I'll respond. | |\n| 19· · · · I was going to say in response, maybe we | |\n| 20· ·can move on and address this at a break.
I | |\n| 21· ·don't want to interrupt the beginning of the | |\n| 22· ·deposition, but I think you know that Ms. Guo | |\n| 23· ·travels with security. | |\n| 24· · · · In New York's Supreme Court, | |\n| 25· ·Justice Ostrager took the rather extraordinary | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 10 of 211\n\n| | Page 9 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | |\n| ·2· ·measure of closing the courtroom when Ms. Guo | |\n| ·3· ·testified.· So there are real security concerns | |\n| ·4· ·here. | |\n| ·5· · · · I understand the confidentiality order, | |\n| ·6· ·but we don't really see the relevance of her | |\n| ·7· ·personal address in New York City. | |\n| ·8· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, you're new to the | |\n| ·9· ·case.· Her mother has testified as to her | |\n| 10· ·address.· Her father has testified as to his | |\n| 11· ·address.· I assume they have the exact same | |\n| 12· ·security concerns, handled the same way.
I | |\n| 13· ·don't understand why Ms. Guo would need a | |\n| 14· ·special dispensation that's been different than | |\n| 15· ·her mother and father. | |\n| 16· · · · MR. VARTAN:· The only difference here is | |\n| 17· ·my understanding is the address is already in | |\n| 18· ·the public domain, meaning the Greenwich home | |\n| 19· ·and the Sherry-Netherland are known. | |\n| 20· · · · I don't believe that Ms. Guo's address has | |\n| 21· ·ever been made known in any form or fashion. | |\n| 22· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I'd ask that she -- | |\n| 23· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Let the interpreter -- thank | |\n| 24· ·you. | |\n| 25· · · · So again, I don't want to interrupt the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 11 of\n\n211\n\n| Page 10 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·flow of the deposition, and I'm happy to |\n| ·3· ·address this at a break, but I think we can |\n| ·4· ·move on for now and come back to it. |\n| ·5· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I find this to be |\n| ·6· ·obstructive and improper. |\n| ·7· · · · Are you instructing your witness not to |\n| ·8· ·answer my question? |\n| ·9· · · · MR. VARTAN:· So at this time, I'm |\n| 10· ·instructing her not to answer.· We can address |\n| 11· ·it at a break if need be. |\n| 12· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, there's nothing to |\n| 13· ·address at the break.· I asked a perfectly |\n| 14· ·appropriate question.· I've conceded that |\n| 15· ·you're welcome to use the protective order in |\n| 16· ·place. |\n| 17· · · · If you'd like to seek relief from the |\n| 18· ·court, to get her -- to get a protective order |\n| 19· ·for her to not answer the question, you're |\n| 20· ·welcome to do so.· Otherwise, I think it's |\n| 21· ·improper for you to instruct her not to answer |\n| 22· ·a question because it does not relate to any |\n| 23· ·privilege. |\n| |\n\n24· · · · And accordingly, I'm going to hold the 25· ·deposition open on this issue because she's not\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 12 of\n\n211\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 11 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · answering, and I'm going to move on. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I encourage you to seek relief | |\n| ·5· · · · from the Court if you want to. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I didn't catch the -- | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I said Mr. Vartan, if he wants | |\n| ·8· · · · to direct the witness not to answer a question | |\n| ·9· · · · for nonprivilege reasons, he needs to seek | |\n| 10· · · · relief from the Court. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, how long have you lived at your | |\n| 14· ·current residence? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Two years. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you live by yourself or with other | |\n| 17· ·family members? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·By myself. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Do you own your apartment -- or let me | |\n| 20· ·strike that. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·What type of home is it? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·An apartment. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Are you the owner of the apartment? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Who is the owner of the apartment that you | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 13 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 12 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·live in? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·The landowner. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Who is the landowner? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·You don't know whose apartment you live | |\n| ·7· ·in? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember the name of my landowner. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you pay rent to your landowner? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·What is the entity to whom you write rent | |\n| 14· ·checks? | | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you pay your own rent or does someone | |\n| 17· ·pay it for you? | | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I pay my own rent. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·How do you pay? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·By check. | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Is that check being drawn from a personal | |\n| | 22· ·bank account or a corporate bank account? | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·In personal account. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·What funds you to use to pay for your | |\n| 25· ·rent? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 14 of\n\n211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 13 |\n|------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Just from my personal bank account. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·What is the source of those funds in the | |\n| ·4· ·bank account? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I have my own work. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What do you do for work? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·I'm currently an entrepreneur.· I'm a film | |\n| | ·8· ·director, producer, and scriptwriter. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Have you sold any scripts? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Have you directed films for anyone other | |\n| 12· ·than yourself? | | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·Yes, back in China. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·When you were living in China? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·When was the last film you directed? | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·Are you referring to a short movie or just | |\n| | 18· ·a regular movie that comes out in the theater? | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Why don't we take it in pieces. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·I'll first ask about any film you directed | |\n| 21· ·for someone else. | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the specifics.· That was | |\n| | 23· ·when I was in China.· Together with another | |\n| | 24· ·director, we did one film. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Were you paid to direct the film? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 14 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·How much were you paid to direct that ·4· ·film? ·5· · · · A.· ·I can't remember specifically, but ·6· ·approximately over 100,000 RMB. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall when you directed that film? ·8· · · · A.· ·It was probably in 2013 or 2014.· I'm not ·9· ·quite sure.· But I think probably 2014. 10· · · · Q.· ·Have you directed any films since you left 11· ·China? 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm just going to object to 13· · · · this line of questioning.· I'm happy to put a 14· · · · standing objection on the record.· I gave 15· · · · counsel some latitude, but all of these 16· · · · questions really seem to me to be beyond the 17· · · · scope of why we're here, which is in 18· · · · anticipation of the PJR proceeding. 19· · · · · · ·So what Ms. Guo may have done in China in 20· · · · 2013 or 2014 really just bears absolutely no 21· · · · relevance to anything that will be before the 22· · · · court. 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan... 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·You can answer my question.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | 211 | |\n|--|-----|--|\n| | | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Sorry.· I can't remember what the question |\n| ·3· ·was. |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Have you directed any films since you left |\n| ·5· ·China? |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Just, Mr. Luft, are you comfortable with |\n| ·8· · · · me posing a standing objection or do you want |\n| ·9· · · · me to object to every question? |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm not comfortable with your |\n| 11· · · · speaking objections.· But I don't know how -- |\n| 12· · · · since I'm going to ask different questions, I |\n| 13· · · · don't know what type of standing objection |\n| 14· · · · you're asking for. |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Are you saying you'd like a standing |\n| 16· · · · objection to every question I ask? |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Every question that's beyond |\n| 18· · · · the scope of the PJR proceeding.· I'm happy to |\n| 19· · · · object question by question. |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You can just say \"Objection, |\n| 21· · · · form,\" and that will be sufficient. |\n| 22· · · · · · ·Particularly given the translator today, |\n| 23· · · · let's not waste time with speaking objections. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Well, I'd ask that we not |\n| 25· · · · waste time on irrelevant material. |\n| |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 17 of\n\n211\n\nPage 16 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, you've said it to ·3· · · · your witness multiple times -- ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm speaking to you. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It's not irrelevant.· Okay? ·6· · · · Again, I don't know if this is because you're ·7· · · · brand new to the case or not.· But the source ·8· · · · of her funds and how she pays for things are ·9· · · · dead set in the middle of this case. 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Not in the counterclaim I've 11· · · · read. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, have you been paid to direct any 14· ·films since the last one you told me about in China 15· ·which you said was in approximately 2013 to 2014? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·You also say you've produced films. 20· · · · · · ·Have you produced any films since you left 21· ·China? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 23· · · · A.· ·There's been a lot together with others, 24· ·but these films are all independent films through 25· ·students.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 18 of 211\n\nPage 17 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·So they're student films? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Have you earned any money from producing ·8· ·these student films? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. 10· · · · A.· ·No. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Other than acting as a film producer, a 13· ·director, and a scriptwriter, is there any other way 14· ·that you have earned income or funds since you have 15· ·moved to the United States? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·How else have you earned income or funds? 20· · · · A.· ·I've been the CEO of Pangu Plaza since 21· ·2016, so I've always been earning a salary. 22· · · · Q.· ·Where is Pangu Plaza? 23· · · · A.· ·It's in Beijing, China, on number -- the 24· ·address is number 27 Chaoyang Road. 25· · · · Q.· ·And you're currently the CEO of\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 18 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·Pangu Plaza? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· ·How much are you paid as CEO of ·5· ·Pangu Plaza? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·7· · · · A.· ·So the annual salary plus bonus, I can't ·8· ·remember very clearly, but approximately ·9· ·1.45 million. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Is that dollars? 12· · · · A.· ·I wished it were.· But it's in RMB. 13· · · · Q.· ·Who owns Pangu Plaza? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·Family fund. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Who runs that family fund? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·Many family members. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·What's the name of the family fund? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 23· · · · A.· ·It's just called \"family fund.\" 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·So the person who employs you has no name\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 19 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·other than family fund? ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates the ·4· · · · testimony. ·5· · · · A.· ·My employer is not an individual.· It's a ·6· ·fund.· It's a business of my family. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·What I want to know is what is the name of ·9· ·that business that hires you? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 11· · · · A.· ·So what I was mentioning, referring to 12· ·previously, is called Pangu Group.· So that is a 13· ·business, and that is a part of my family's 14· ·business. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·When you say your family's business, who 17· ·in your family is involved with the Pangu Group? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 19· · · · A.· ·My uncles and also my cousins from my 20· ·father's side, and brothers specifically, and also 21· ·myself. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·So your brother, yourself, and uncles and 24· ·cousins all on your father's side; is that correct? 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Correction from the\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 21 of\n\n211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 20 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · interpreter.· The witness was saying these | |\n| ·3· · · · cousins are male cousins, not cousins plus | |\n| ·4· · · · brothers, but rather my uncles, my cousins, | |\n| ·5· · · · male cousins specifically. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Let's clarify. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Is your brother involved with the | |\n| ·9· ·Pangu Group? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·+ Which of your uncles is involved with | |\n| 14· ·the Pangu Group? | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm going to object and | |\n| 16· · · · further instruct the witness not to answer.· At | |\n| 17· · · · this point, we're so far afield of why we're | |\n| 18· · · · here today that I just don't see the relevance | |\n| 19· · · · of any of this. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I find it | |\n| 21· · · · unfortunate that you've decided to appear on | |\n| 22· · · · this case simply to obstruct.· Clearly that's | |\n| 23· · · · your intention. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·The questions about who -- her family's | |\n| 25· · · · involvement and how their businesses | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 22 of\n\n| 211 | |\n|------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 21 |\n| ·2· ·interconnect are at the heart of this matter. | |\n| ·3· ·If you read the counterclaims, you would know | |\n| ·4· ·that's exactly what is at issue. | |\n| ·5· · · · I'd ask you to stop objecting on baseless | |\n| ·6· ·grounds. | |\n| ·7· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'm not objecting on baseless | |\n| ·8· ·grounds.· And I'm trying not to obstruct the | |\n| ·9· ·deposition. | |\n| 10· · · · But at the end of the day, as I understand | |\n| 11· ·it, we're here today because you're exploring | |\n| 12· ·any connections between HKI and the debtor, and | |\n| 13· ·then any connections between HKI and Himalaya. | |\n| 14· · · · Whatever was happening around Pangu has | |\n| 15· ·nothing to do with the PJR proceeding.· This is | |\n| 16· ·not a general deposition in the bankruptcy. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, it is not for you | |\n| 18· ·to decide which topics I'm allowed to ask about | |\n| 19· ·in this. | |\n| 20· · · · If you read the counterclaims, right, | |\n| 21· ·which I'm sure you have, you know that there's | |\n| 22· ·many allegations regarding multiple family | |\n| 23· ·businesses other than HKI and Himalaya, | |\n| 24· ·correct? | |\n| 25· · · · MR. VARTAN:· We're not here on a | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 22 ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo ·2· ·general -- ·3· · · · MR. LUFT:· It's not about general.· These ·4· ·are the counterclaims in this case. ·5· · · · MR. VARTAN:· It has nothing do with any of ·6· ·the other business.· It has to do with HKI. ·7· ·She's happy to answer any questions you have ·8· ·about her businesses. ·9· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, my questions go to 10· ·HKI.· They go to where she gets her money.· It 11· ·goes to all of this.· It's directly at issue in 12· ·the counterclaims, directly at issue as to our 13· ·ability to prove our case. 14· · · · I'd ask you to stop interfering with the 15· ·deposition. 16· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'm not interfering.· I'm 17· ·trying to keep the deposition on target. 18· ·You've not asked one question about HKI. 19· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I am literally on 20· ·the first page of my introduction.· I promise 21· ·you, we will ask about HKI.· Okay? 22· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'd ask that you do it sooner 23· ·than later, otherwise we'll be here all day 24· ·speaking about -- 25· · · · MR. LUFT:· I'm sorry about your day.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 24 of\n\n211\n\nYVer1f\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo ·2· ·Okay?· But this is what we're going to do, and ·3· ·I'm going to ask my questions how I want to ask ·4· ·them. ·5· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Please proceed. ·6· · · · THE INTERPRETER:· Regarding the ·7· ·communication, would you like the interpreter ·8· ·to interpret the communication just now? ·9· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Please. 10· · · · THE INTERPRETER:· Do you mind, Angie -- 11· · · · MR. LUFT:· I find this to just be time 12· ·wasted.· I'm going to reserve for additional 13· ·time. 14· · · · THE INTERPRETER:· Sorry, Angie.· Do you 15· ·mind going back to where the communication just 16· ·stopped and the interpreter stopped 17· ·interpreting? 18· · · · (A discussion was held off the record.) 19· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, what is the purpose 20· ·of having all of this translated -- what is the 21· ·purpose of requiring the interpreter to go back 22· ·to go through our colloquy back and forth other 23· ·than to waste time on the record? 24· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Not to waste time.· I want to 25· ·be sure that the witness fully understands and\n\n211\n\nPage 24 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · appreciates what's happening at the deposition. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Your witness speaks English. ·4· · · · If she wants to testify in Mandarin, that's ·5· · · · fine, but you're wasting time. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You don't tell me what ·7· · · · language my witness speaks.· I've communicated ·8· · · · with my client and witness with the aid of an ·9· · · · interpreter in preparation for today's 10· · · · deposition.· You don't dictate to me what 11· · · · language she speaks. 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, keep wasting time. 13· · · · · · ·(Interpreter read record.) 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I'm done. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you speak and understand some 17· ·English, correct? 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. 19· · · · Q.· ·Do you speak English with friends? 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · Q.· ·Can you read English? 22· · · · A.· ·Some. 23· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll note for the record that 25· · · · what I can see on the live feed, that\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 26 of 211\n\nPage 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · translation exercise of just the colloquy took ·3· · · · almost five minutes. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, is your brother involved with the ·6· ·Pangu Group? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·8· · · · answered. ·9· · · · A.· ·No. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·+ Which of your uncles is involved with 12· ·the Pangu Group? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection and instruction. 14· · · · · · ·I'm instructing you not to answer which 15· · · · particular family members. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Which of your cousins are involved with 18· ·the Pangu Group? 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let me strike that. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Are you going to follow your counsel's 22· ·instruction? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And that basis of that 25· · · · instruction is not privilege, correct?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 26 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· The basis of that is security ·3· · · · interest. ·4· · · · · · ·(Reporter requests clarification.) ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You said the basis of that is ·6· · · · the security interest for the family, correct? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Correct. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Again, the issues about ·9· · · · security can be addressed under the protective 10· · · · order.· You can mark it as highly confidential, 11· · · · but you cannot instruct the witness not to 12· · · · answer because, you believe, of any security 13· · · · concerns. 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Understood.· I'm instructing 15· · · · her not to answer for now. 16· · · · · · ·Happy to revisit it at the break. 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan -- 18· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Can I speak? 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No.· Only when a question is 20· · · · pending. 21· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· There is a question pending. 23· · · · · · ·You're welcome to answer the question. 24· · · · A.· ·What was the question again?· I can't 25· ·remember.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 27 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Which of your uncles are involved in the ·4· ·Pangu Group? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. ·6· · · · A.· ·So thank you so much for the reminder ·7· ·because this case is open to the public in China. ·8· ·So I can answer this question. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Oh, okay.· In that case, 10· · · · please proceed. 11· · · · A.· ·So before I started to take the position 12· ·there, my uncles, including the fourth older brother 13· ·of my father, the fifth older brother of my father, 14· ·and the sixth older brother of my father, managed 15· ·Pangu together. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·And then once you were hired, they stopped 18· ·managing it? 19· · · · A.· ·So I want to explain the situation back 20· ·then.· It's not just that I was hired, but rather, 21· ·all of my family members were put into prison by the 22· ·communist party.· And when they came back out, they 23· ·all had health issues.· And one was even admitted 24· ·into a psychology hospital. 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Psychiatric.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 28 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Correction.· It's not a | |\n| ·3· · · · psychological hospital.· It's a psychiatric. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·So there was nobody managing the business. | |\n| ·5· ·So I volunteered to do it. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·What are the names of your fourth, fifth, | |\n| ·8· ·and sixth older brother uncles? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Older brother uncles?
I | |\n| 10· · · · don't understand. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·I really don't remember their names.
I | |\n| 12· ·never called them by their names. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you mentioned cousins. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·+ What are the names of your cousins who | |\n| 16· ·are involved at the Pangu Group? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I'm really sorry because my cousins have | |\n| 18· ·never disclosed their names to the public.· So I | |\n| 19· ·don't want to name them. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Well, we can mark this as highly | |\n| 21· ·confidential. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'll instruct the witness not | |\n| 23· · · · to answer. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Are you going to follow your counsel's | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 29 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·instruction? ·3· · · · A.· ·I really don't want to answer this ·4· ·question. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And you're not instructing her ·6· · · · on the grounds of privilege, correct? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Not on the grounds of ·8· · · · privilege. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· What is the basis? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same basis as before, that 11· · · · there are real and genuine security concerns 12· · · · which she's now repeatedly expressed on the 13· · · · record for her family and her extended family 14· · · · in China. 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I've heard you 16· · · · express it many times on the record.· Not the 17· · · · witness. 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Well, we can ask her about 19· · · · it. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I don't. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Putting aside who managed the building 23· ·before you, who are the members of the family fund 24· ·that pay you the salary to run Pangu Plaza? 25· · · · A.· ·In our family fund, there are over 100\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 30 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·family members. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is anyone in charge of the family fund? ·4· · · · A.· ·No.· It's under co-management. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Do all 100 people have equal votes or does ·6· ·someone have more of a say than another? ·7· · · · A.· ·Whoever makes a bigger contribution to the ·8· ·family fund will have a bigger say. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who's made the biggest contributions to 10· ·the family fund? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·I think it's me at the moment. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·How much have you contributed to the 15· ·family fund? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· If you understand 17· · · · what \"contribution\" means. 18· · · · A.· ·My understanding of a contribution is 19· ·starting from 2016, when there was no one managing 20· ·Pangu Group, I brought the business back.· And over 21· ·the past years since then, I've made the biggest 22· ·contribution. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·Is that a monetary contribution or just a 25· ·contribution of your time?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 31 |\n|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Both.· And I made a lot of money. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·How much money have you contributed to the | |\n| ·4· ·family fund? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember specifically, but ever | |\n| | ·6· ·since 2016, I've broken the record of the highest | |\n| | ·7· ·amount earned through Pangu Hotel and the rent. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·So you're saying the business has done | |\n| ·9· ·well? | | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·Yes, the business of Pangu Group, correct. | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Who has made the biggest personal | |\n| | 12· ·contribution in terms of funds contributed into the | |\n| 13· ·family fund? | | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·Once again, if you understand that | |\n| | 16· · · · question, but -- | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, please stop with | |\n| | 18· · · · your speaking objections. | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about this answer. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Have you contributed any money, not in | |\n| | 22· ·terms of what you've helped the company earn, but | |\n| | 23· ·have you contributed any money into the family fund? | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 32 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Who in your family has contributed the ·4· ·most money into the family fund? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I really don't know. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·To be clear, what other assets other than ·9· ·Pangu Plaza does the family fund hold? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·There's Pangu Group and Jung Chen Group. 12· · · · · · ·There's a Pangu Group and the 13· ·Zenith Group. 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Spelled Z-N-I-T-H.· Or 15· · · · it might be spelled as Z-E-N-I-T-H.· I'm not 16· · · · quite sure. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Other than Pangu Plaza, what other assets 19· ·do any of those entities own? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·Can you name, other than yourself, the 24· ·name of any family member involved in the family 25· ·fund?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 34 of 211\n\nPage 33 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·3· · · · answered. ·4· · · · A.· ·I've already answered this question just ·5· ·now.· I really don't want to review the names of my ·6· ·family members here. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know the names of any family ·9· ·members other than yourself that are involved in 10· ·this family fund? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·I know some. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·How many? 15· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. 16· · · · Q.· ·And you won't tell me their names? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Let me just say, to the 18· · · · extent that you're comfortable sharing names 19· · · · such that it's not going to implicate security 20· · · · concerns, I certainly have no objection with 21· · · · you sharing names. 22· · · · A.· ·I just mentioned the fourth, fifth, and 23· ·sixth older brothers of my dad.· I really can't 24· ·remember their names.· You can look it up.· And then 25· ·there's myself, my older brother.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 35 of 211\n\nPage 34 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·As for other people, I really want to ·3· ·protect their privacy. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·So your older brother is involved in the ·6· ·family fund? ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·8· · · · Q.· ·But is your father involved in the family ·9· ·fund? 10· · · · A.· ·No. 11· · · · Q.· ·How about your mother? 12· · · · A.· ·No. 13· · · · Q.· ·How did your uncles earn the money that 14· ·enabled them to buy Pangu Plaza? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·When was Pangu Plaza purchased? 19· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 20· · · · Q.· ·Do you know what funds were used, the 21· ·source of -- sorry. 22· · · · · · ·Do you know the source of any of the funds 23· ·used to purchase Pangu Plaza? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and 25· · · · answered.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 35 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·How do you manage Pangu Plaza from the | |\n| ·5· ·United States? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I hold videoconferences on a weekly basis | |\n| ·7· ·with them.· And I've also authorized my manager to | |\n| ·8· ·take care of management, and they also regularly | |\n| ·9· ·send me forms. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Who do you hold videoconferences with? | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Again, I just want to | |\n| 12· · · · interpose an objection this is very far afield | |\n| 13· · · · of why we're here. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·That would be the current department | |\n| 15· ·managers. | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·What forms do you sign? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Do you mean currently? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·As part of your role running Pangu Plaza. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I haven't signed any forms in recent | |\n| 21· ·years. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been deposed before? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you understand you're testifying | |\n| 25· ·under oath? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 36 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is there any reason you can't give | |\n| ·4· ·truthful testimony today? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I want to ask you questions.· If | |\n| ·7· ·for some reason you don't understand my questions, | |\n| ·8· ·will you let me know? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, could we have an agreement that | |\n| 11· ·to the extent I ask you a question and you do not | |\n| 12· ·tell me that you're having trouble understanding it, | |\n| 13· ·then I can assume that you do understand my | |\n| 14· ·question? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, who did you speak to to prepare | |\n| 17· ·for this deposition? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·My counsels. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Is that Mr. Vartan and Mr. Romney? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak with any other counsel? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak with any family members? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Did you review any documents in | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 38 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 37 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·preparation for this deposition? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I did review some together with my | |\n| ·4· ·counsels. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Did any of those documents refresh your | |\n| ·6· ·recollection? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand what that means. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Did any of those documents, when you | |\n| ·9· ·looked at them, help you remember something that you | |\n| 10· ·had not previously remembered? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes, some. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Which documents were those? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I can't remember now. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·If you remember during the deposition, | |\n| 15· ·will you let me know? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·And if I show you a document that was one | |\n| 18· ·of the ones that refreshed your recollection, can I | |\n| 19· ·ask you to let me know that as well? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Pangu Plaza has not been seized by the | |\n| 22· ·Chinese government? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Last year, they did drive all of the staff | |\n| 24· ·members and my grandfather on my dad's side onto the | |\n| 25· ·street.· I can't remember exactly in which month | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 38 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·that happened. ·3· · · · · · ·Now we are still facing employee rights ·4· ·protection issues. ·5· · · · Q.· ·But the family still controls Pangu Plaza, ·6· ·correct? ·7· · · · A.· ·I think not exactly because now we don't ·8· ·have the right to enter the Pangu building.· But we ·9· ·still need to manage the staff. 10· · · · Q.· ·Help me understand.· When you say \"we are 11· ·not allowed to enter the building,\" who is the \"we\"? 12· · · · A.· ·Everyone, including all staff members. 13· ·No one can enter. 14· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So Pangu Plaza doesn't earn any 15· ·revenue during -- since this time? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 17· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The witness just 18· · · · answered:· \"Correct.\" 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: 20· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, what's your birthdate? 21· · · · A.· ·January 28, 1989. 22· · · · Q.· ·In connection with this litigation, did 23· ·you collect -- did your counsel ask you to help 24· ·collect documents that were requested both for you 25· ·and on behalf of Hong Kong International USA?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 39
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|--|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you know if all responsive documents in | | |\n| ·4· ·connection with this litigation have been produced | | |\n| ·5· ·to the trustee? | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, what was the last school you | | |\n| 10· ·attended? | | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Because the last time I testified in | | |\n| 12· ·New York, my information was disclosed online and | | |\n| 13· ·some teachers told me that they were harassed.· So | | |\n| 14· ·in order to protect them, I don't want to say the | | |\n| 15· ·name. | | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·+ We can mark this under the protective | | |\n| 17· ·order.· But I just need to know, what is the last | | |\n| 18· ·school you attended? | | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If the witness has safety | | |\n| 20· · · · concerns or security concerns for herself or | | |\n| 21· · · · loved ones, I'd instruct her not to answer. | | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Can I just try and understand what is the | | |\n| 23· ·protection order you're mentioning, you refer to? | | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'll speak with her about | | |\n| 25· · · · that on a break. | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 40 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·What is the highest degree you've earned | |\n| ·4· ·in school? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·University graduate. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Where was that school located? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·New York. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·What type of degree did you graduate with? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·BA. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·And what was your major? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Director. | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Was it film school? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·What year did you graduate from film | |\n| 15· ·school? | | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·2012 or '13.· I think it was 2013 | |\n| 17· ·probably. | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·How many years did you go to school in | |\n| | 19· ·New York to earn that degree? | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·CHECK INTERPRETER:· She said \"12 | |\n| 21· · · · probably.\" | | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Sorry.· Correction: | |\n| | 23· · · · \"It's 2012 or 2013.· And I think it's 2012.\" | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·And how many years were you in school | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 42 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 41 |\n|-------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·before you earned your degree? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·It's four years of the University program | |\n| | ·4· ·and one year in language school. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·And were you living in New York during | |\n| ·6· ·those five years? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·So that would have been 2007 through 2012? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Prior to attending college, did you direct | |\n| 11· ·any films? | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·When you graduated -- was the school NYU | |\n| 16· ·which you went to? | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·When you graduated film school in 2012, | |\n| | 21· ·did you stay in New York? | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·I did stay and shot several films, and | |\n| | 23· ·then I went back to China. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·How long were you in New York after | |\n| | 25· ·graduating before going back to China? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 43 of\n\n211\n\n| Page 42 | |\n|---------|--|\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·I can't remember.· Probably several | |\n| ·3· ·months. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Less than a year? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Who paid for film school? | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Did you take loans to go to film school? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Did her father and mother pay for her | |\n| 15· ·college? | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·So just so I understand, prior to going to | |\n| | 20· ·film school, where did you live? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I studied in quite several apartments, all | |\n| 22· ·in New York. | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·My question wasn't clear. | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·Before you went to film school, so before | |\n| | 25· ·2007, what country did you live in? | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 44 of 211\n\nPage 43 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·I was in China.· Sometimes in Hong Kong. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Did your family have homes in China and ·4· ·Hong Kong at that time? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·In China, yes.· But not in Hong Kong. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Where did you stay when you were in ·9· ·Hong Kong prior to leaving for film school in 2007? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·Hotel. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·And when you came -- and then from 2007 14· ·through 2012, you lived in New York? 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·And when you left New York, where did you 17· ·go? 18· · · · A.· ·I traveled for a while and then went back 19· ·to Beijing. 20· · · · Q.· ·How long did you travel? 21· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. 22· · · · Q.· ·How long -- when did you start living in 23· ·Beijing again? 24· · · · A.· ·I was in Beijing the whole time from 2014 25· ·to 2017.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 44 |\n|--------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·So from 2014 to 2017 you never lived in | |\n| ·3· ·Hong Kong? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·I never did. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Before 2014, did you ever live in | |\n| | ·6· ·Hong Kong other than in the hotel? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Where did you live? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·At my friend's. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·What friend was that? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·Friends in Hong Kong. | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·When you lived in -- when you came in | |\n| | 15· ·2017, where did you live? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Hotel. | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·When you came to New York in 2017, you | |\n| 18· ·moved into a hotel? | | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Was it the Sherry-Netherland hotel? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·No.· I only stayed there for a couple of | |\n| 22· ·days. | | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you reside in the Sherry-Netherland | |\n| 24· ·hotel now? | | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 46 of\n\n211\n\nYVer1f\n\n| 14· ·Sherry-Netherland hotel? | | | |\n|-------------------------------|--|--|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo
·2· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever resided in the
·3· ·Sherry-Netherland hotel?
·4· · · · A.· ·Several years ago, yes.
·5· · · · Q.· ·When was that?
·6· · · · A.· ·Just when I first came here in 2017.
·7· · · · Q.· ·Does your brother reside at the
·8· ·Sherry-Netherland hotel?
·9· · · · A.· ·He's resided there several times.
10· · · · Q.· ·When did he live there?
11· · · · A.· ·He did in 2017 and 2018.· That's probably
12· ·it.· I can't really remember.
13· · · · Q.· ·Did your father reside at the
15· · · · A.· ·Yes, sometimes.
16· · · · Q.· ·Does he reside there now?
17· · · · A.· ·You mean today?
18· · · · Q.· ·Yes.
19· · · · A.· ·I really don't know.
20· · · · Q.· ·How about within the past six months?
21· · · · A.· ·I think probably occasionally, but I don't
22· ·really know.
23· · · · Q.· ·Where does your father reside when he's
24· ·not residing in the Sherry-Netherland hotel?
25· · · · A.· ·Connecticut. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 47 of\n\n211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 46 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What countries do you hold | |\n| | ·3· ·citizenship in? | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·I have a Hong Kong passport. | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·How do you have a Hong Kong passport if | |\n| | ·6· ·you've never lived in Hong Kong as a resident? | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·Because my parents are Hong Kong | |\n| | ·9· ·residents.· So automatically, the children would get | |\n| | 10· ·a Hong Kong passport. | |\n| | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·What address in Hong Kong is associated | |\n| | 13· ·with your passport? | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you hold Chinese citizenship? | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·Not at the moment. | |\n| | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever resided at 20 South Bay Road | |\n| | 22· ·in Hong Kong? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 47 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you hold a Chinese passport? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and ·5· · · · answered. ·6· · · · A.· ·No. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·The money you make as CEO of Pangu Plaza, ·9· ·how is that transferred to you? 10· · · · A.· ·That would be paid into my main salary 11· ·card. 12· · · · Q.· ·What is a salary card? 13· · · · A.· ·So in China, for everyone working, they 14· ·will have a card where the company would directly 15· ·make payments into.· It's appropriately similar to 16· ·direct deposit or something here. 17· · · · · · ·It is my personal card.· We all have one. 18· · · · Q.· ·Since you came to this country in 2017, 19· ·how has your Pangu Plaza salary been paid to you? 20· · · · A.· ·The same salary card. 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you have access to the money in that 22· ·salary card in the United States? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes.· The Bank of China has a branch here. 24· · · · Q.· ·And you have an account at the 25· ·Bank of China?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 1797-8 | Filed 05/16/23 | Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 | Page 49 of |\n|---------------|------------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n| | | 211 | | |\n\nPage 48 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Does your father have an account at the ·4· ·Bank of China? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Does your brother have an account at the ·9· ·Bank of China? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·I asked about 20 South Bay Road. 14· · · · · · ·Have you ever resided at 22 South Bay Road 15· ·in Hong Kong? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Prior to your father -- when did your 20· ·father leave China? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Meaning for good? 22· · · · A.· ·He departed from Beijing in 2014, but 23· ·specifically, when did he depart from Hong Kong, I 24· ·can't remember. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 49 | |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Before he left Beijing, what did your | | |\n| ·4· ·father do to earn money? | | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Your father has described himself as a | | |\n| ·9· ·billionaire prior to leaving China. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·What did he do to earn a billion dollars | | |\n| 11· ·prior to leaving China? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Is anyone in your family a billionaire? | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Is anyone in your family a millionaire? | | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Are you a millionaire? | | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I'm not at the moment. | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 51 of 211\n\nPage 50 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is your brother a millionaire? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What does your brother do for work? ·8· · · · A.· ·My brother is an investor in many areas, ·9· ·many aspects, and he also helps with family 10· ·business. 11· · · · Q.· ·What is the source of funds your brother 12· ·uses to invest? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·What companies does your brother invest 17· ·in? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Which family members' money does your 22· ·brother invest? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 24· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 52 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 51 | | |\n|------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Where does your brother live? | | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·London. | | | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·What address? | | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember. | | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·What companies does your brother control? | | | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to the word | | | |\n| ·9· · · · \"control.\" | | | | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Do you know any companies that your | | | |\n| 13· ·brother owns? | | | | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Did your brother go to a university? | | | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Where did he go? | | | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the name.· A university | | | |\n| | 19· ·in the UK that's the top ranking in the economics | | | |\n| 20· ·major. | | | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you know when he graduated? | | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·I know that in recent years he also | | | |\n| | 23· ·studied in a master's course, but I'm not sure about | | | |\n| 24· ·the exact year. | | | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any other family in the | | | |\n| | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 52 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·United States? ·3· · · · A.· ·My parents. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Any other family in the UK other than your ·5· ·brother? ·6· · · · A.· ·No. ·7· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you saw your ·8· ·brother? ·9· · · · A.· ·Two years ago.· It's been two or 10· ·three years, approximately.· I don't remember. 11· · · · Q.· ·Since you've been in the United States 12· ·starting in 2017, how often has your brother come 13· ·from the UK to visit? 14· · · · A.· ·Maybe just once per year, or at a maximum 15· ·twice a year. 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Mr. Luft, we're coming up 17· · · · about on an hour and a half, so whenever may be 18· · · · a convenient break for the witness, I'd 19· · · · appreciate it. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·But in the past couple of years, he hasn't 23· ·made those trips? 24· · · · A.· ·That's correct. 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall the last time he came to\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 54 of\n\n211\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·visit in the United States? |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·It's approximately two or three years ago. |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· We can take a break now. |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Okay.· Thank you. |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Excuse me. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·The time is 12:01 p.m.· We're going off |\n| ·8· · · · the record. |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·(Recess.) |\n| 10· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 12:24 p.m.· We |\n| 11· · · · are back on the record. |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, a quick follow-up question from |\n| 14· ·what we were discussing before.· You said you worked |\n| 15· ·with a manager of the Pangu Plaza. |\n| 16· · · · · · ·What is their name? |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·So there's not just one manager, but |\n| 19· ·department managers.· There are six or seven of |\n| 20· ·them. |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·What are their names? |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I don't call them by |\n| 24· ·their names. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·What do you call them by? |\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 54 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I just say \"Hi everyone.\" | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·And since people have been locked out of | |\n| ·6· ·the building for the past year, have you -- during | |\n| ·7· ·that time, has Pangu Plaza generated any funds? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No.· The money is also locked inside. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·You mentioned that you have a personal | |\n| 10· ·bank account at the Bank of China in New York; is | |\n| 11· ·that correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·So this account was opened in China, but I | |\n| 13· ·can also use it in New York. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Other than the Bank of China, is there any | |\n| 15· ·other banks where you hold personal bank accounts? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Very recently, I've already had five to | |\n| 18· ·six bank accounts locked in the US. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·What do you mean when you say you have had | |\n| 21· ·five or six bank accounts locked in the US? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·It's that whenever I open an account with | |\n| 23· ·any bank and use it for a little while, it gets | |\n| 24· ·locked. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·And the most recent one was locked last | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 56 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 55 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· ·week, and I haven't had the opportunity to get | | |\n| ·3· ·another one. | | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·What bank was that with? | | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, | | |\n| ·7· ·First Republic -- oh, no, I can't remember -- yes, | | |\n| ·8· ·First Republic. | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·And these are the ones that I can remember | | |\n| 10· ·for now. | | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Did any of those banks give you an | | |\n| 13· ·explanation for why your bank account was locked? | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Entire, not. | | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·And I'm told -- is the proper translation | | |\n| 18· ·\"closed,\" not \"locked\"? | | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Right.· So they canceled my account number | | |\n| 20· ·and told me that they will never have a business | | |\n| 21· ·relationship with me. | | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Other than telling you that they would | | |\n| 23· ·never have a business relationship with you, did any | | |\n| 24· ·of those banks give you any further explanation for | | |\n| 25· ·why they would not have a business relationship with | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 56 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·you? ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·4· · · · A.· ·No.· I've asked, and they just told me ·5· ·it's not up to them. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·You're the legal owner -- let me strike ·8· ·that. ·9· · · · · · ·You're familiar with an entity called 10· ·Hong Kong International USA? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·And you allege that you are the owner of 13· ·that entity, correct? 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·And Hong Kong International USA has no 16· ·bank accounts, correct? 17· · · · A.· ·Correct. 18· · · · Q.· ·Other than Hong Kong International USA, is 19· ·there any other entity that you allege that you own? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·Yes. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·What is the name of that entity? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·I can't remember now.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 58 of 211\n\nPage 57 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Can you -- is it more than one entity? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes, probably. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What do you recall about the ·8· ·entities that you own? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember now. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Are you the legal owner of that entity? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · · · ·I think I'd just ask for clarification 15· · · · what entity you're referring to? 16· · · · A.· ·My question is which entity. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·I asked you if -- other than Hong Kong 19· ·International USA, if there's any other entity that 20· ·you own.· You told me that there was but you don't 21· ·remember the name. 22· · · · · · ·So I'm asking you about that entity that 23· ·you state that you own that is not Hong Kong 24· ·International USA. 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· She said there were multiple\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 58 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · entities. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No, she didn't.· She said she ·4· · · · doesn't recall.· Maybe. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I think the question is ·6· · · · confusing. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Honestly, if you'd like ·8· · · · to be deposed next, let me know and I'll -- but ·9· · · · right now I'm just going to talk to Ms. Guo, 10· · · · okay? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm happy -- I'm happy to be 12· · · · deposed. 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm sure you are. 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm happy to be deposed. 15· · · · He's welcome to depose me right now. 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You've been testifying all day. 17· · · · I'm sure you do. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I'm asking you about whatever 20· ·entity that you were referring to.· So let's just 21· ·clarify this. 22· · · · · · ·Other than Hong Kong USA, is there more 23· ·than one entity that you are the owner of? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·So you mean that you are asking me how\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 59 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·many? ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Let's start with that.· How many entities ·5· ·other than Hong Kong USA do you allege that you own? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·7· · · · A.· ·I really didn't know previously but ·8· ·recently I've overheard your colleague, Luc, ·9· ·threatening my dad, saying that I have nine 10· ·companies. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Where did you overhear Mr. Despins? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The name? 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· D-E-S-P-I-N-S. 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· And I would just say that 17· · · · it -- 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, please stop 19· · · · interfering. 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I need to interpose an 21· · · · objection. 22· · · · · · ·If you learned from counsel about these 23· · · · conversations, then I'd ask you not to speak 24· · · · about conversations with counsel. 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember exactly when.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 61 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 60 |\n|-------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever attended any hearings? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been in a room with | |\n| ·6· ·Mr. Despins? | | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been on a phone call with | |\n| ·9· ·Mr. Despins? | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·In fact, you've never heard Mr. Despins | |\n| | 12· ·say anything to your father, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Are you -- putting aside what anyone may | |\n| | 17· ·have told you about what Mr. Despins may or may not | |\n| | 18· ·have said, to your knowledge, how many entities do | |\n| | 19· ·you believe that you own other than Hong Kong | |\n| 20· ·International USA? | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Do you control those entities? | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 62 of 211\n\nPage 61 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·What are their names? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I can't remember now. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·What businesses are they in? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·As far as I know, there's no business 11· ·currently. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Where are they located? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·Are you referring to the location of the 16· ·company? 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Uh-huh. 19· · · · A.· ·At this moment, these companies don't have 20· ·a physical address. 21· · · · Q.· ·Do any of these companies have employees? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 23· · · · A.· ·No. 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·Do any of these entities have assets?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 63 of 211\n\nPage 62 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·3· · · · A.· ·My yacht. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Other than Hong Kong International USA, do ·6· ·any of the entities that you purport to own have any ·7· ·assets? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·9· · · · A.· ·Just my yacht. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Is that an asset that is held by any 12· ·entity other than Hong Kong International USA? 13· · · · A.· ·You're referring to the yacht, my yacht? 14· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking other than Hong Kong 15· ·International USA, do any of the other entities you 16· ·own and control have an interest in the Lady May? 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· · · · Q.· ·So is it fair to say that -- strike that. 19· · · · · · ·Did you establish these other entities 20· ·that you own and control -- 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·-- other than Hong Kong International USA? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 25· · · · A.· ·They were not established by me.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 64 of\n\n211\n\nYVer1f\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|----|-----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Who were they established by? |\n| | | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| | | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·How did you acquire those entities? |\n| | | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| | | ·9· · · · A.· ·They were transferred to me. |\n| | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | 11· · · · Q.· ·Who transferred those entities to you? |\n| | | 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| | | 13· · · · A.· ·People managing the family fund. |\n| | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | 15· · · · Q.· ·Which people? |\n| | | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| | | 17· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the exact. |\n| | 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | 19· · · · Q.· ·Can you remember anyone who transferred |\n| | | 20· ·you one of these companies that you now own? |\n| | | 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| | | 22· · · · A.· ·Yes.· HKI.· This company was transferred |\n| | 23· ·to me by Ms. Qu. | |\n| | | 24· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Spelled as Q-U. |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nPage 64 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Other than Hong Kong International, can ·4· ·you tell me anyone who transferred one of the ·5· ·entities you purport to own? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Why did they -- other than Hong Kong 10· ·International, why were any of these entities that 11· ·you purport to own transferred to you? 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 13· · · · A.· ·So I can help managing the company. 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: 15· · · · Q.· ·Do any of those companies have operations? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 17· · · · A.· ·At the moment, no. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Did they ever have operations from the 20· ·time she's held them? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 22· · · · A.· ·Not yet. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·So if they have no operations, what do you 25· ·do to manage them?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 66 of 211\n\nPage 65 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·3· · · · A.· ·Nothing. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Just to be clear, do any of those entities ·6· ·have -- well, you told me Hong Kong International ·7· ·doesn't have a bank account. ·8· · · · · · ·Do any of these other entities that you ·9· ·purport to own have bank accounts? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 11· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if any of them have any 14· ·assets? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Who made the decision that other 19· ·than Hong Kong International, those entities that 20· ·you purport to own should be transferred to you? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 22· · · · A.· ·People from the family fund. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·Which people? 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 67 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 66 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·At that time, it was a decision reached by | | |\n| ·3· ·negotiation with everybody. | | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Specifically, which people made the | | |\n| ·6· ·decision to send -- to transfer these companies that | | |\n| ·7· ·did not have assets and operations to your | | |\n| ·8· ·ownership? | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Can the interpreter | | |\n| 11· · · · clarify single or plural from the witness? | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure. | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·My uncles and also myself. | | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Which uncles? | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·At the time, it was the fifth and the | | |\n| 18· ·sixth older brothers of my dad. | | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·And these are the same uncles whose names | | |\n| 21· ·you don't know? | | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Right. | | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Why did they establish these companies? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 68 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 67 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·You said you had a discussion with them. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·What was the reason for why those | |\n| ·7· ·companies were transferred to your ownership? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and | |\n| ·9· · · · answered. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The specific reason is in 2017, I came | |\n| 11· ·back to the US.· So compared with them, I have a | |\n| 12· ·better personal security.· So the decision was to | |\n| 13· ·first transfer them to me. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·And also, because I was managing | |\n| 15· ·Pangu Plaza at that time, and that's my | |\n| 16· ·responsibility as part of the family fund. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Do you know in what country these | |\n| 19· ·companies are incorporated? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·Hong Kong probably. | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you own any cars? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Sorry.· I didn't | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 69 of 211\n\nPage 68 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · understand. ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you own any cars? ·5· · · · A.· ·No.· I don't know how to drive. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do any of the entities that you control ·7· ·have any cars listed in their names? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Does the family fund control any cars that 12· ·are located in the United States? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Do any of the companies that you control 17· ·have as an asset an airplane? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·It has happened. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Which companies that you control had an 22· ·airplane as an asset? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember the name. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 69 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·When did they hold the plane as an asset? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·I think it was probably in 2017 or 2018. ·6· ·I don't remember the exact date. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·What happened to that plane? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·We didn't really use it much, and it's 11· ·hard to manage.· So we put it into the market for 12· ·many years.· Eventually it sold. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·When was the plane sold? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 16· · · · A.· ·It was summer last year, and it had been 17· ·in the market for many years. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·So this past summer? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 21· · · · A.· ·Yes. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·When you say \"we sold it,\" who is the 24· ·\"we\"? 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 71 of 211\n\nPage 70 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·So that would be a word introduced by the ·3· ·interpreter.· I didn't specifically say \"we.\"· The ·4· ·interpreter said \"we.\" ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So who made the decision to sell ·7· ·the plane in the summer of 2022? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·9· · · · A.· ·Me. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·And when in the summer of 2022 did you 12· ·sell the plane? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Who did you sell the plane to? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the party's name that I 19· ·sold it to. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·How much did you sell the plane for? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 23· · · · A.· ·I think it's over 10 million. 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·And what happened to those funds?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 72 of\n\n211\n\n| Page 71 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·My brother helped me to take care of the |\n| ·4· ·funds.· I don't know about the specifics. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·How did your brother help you take care of |\n| ·7· ·the funds? |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·How he took care of it?· I'm not sure if I |\n| 10· ·understand what that means. |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Well, you said that your brother helped |\n| 13· ·you take care of the funds.· So I want to |\n| 14· ·understand; what did he do? |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·He helped me to negotiate on the price and |\n| 17· ·then sold it.· That's it. |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·And once you sold it, where did those |\n| 20· ·\\$10 million in funds go? |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Now it's at somewhere with a third party. |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Which third party holds the \\$10 million |\n| 25· ·from the sale of the airplane? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 73 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 72 |\n|--------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·You don't know where \\$10 million is that | |\n| | ·6· ·you received for the sale of a plane that a company | |\n| ·7· ·you own controlled? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and | |\n| ·9· · · · answered. | | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·I've just mentioned at a third party. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·What third party? | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·If you wanted to get that \\$10 million, how | |\n| | 17· ·would you find it, given that you don't know the | |\n| | 18· ·name of the third party who's holding it? | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·I'll ask my brother. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·So you have no knowledge who has that | |\n| | 23· ·\\$10 million right now? | |\n| | 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Asked and answered. | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·I just don't remember the name of them. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 74 of 211\n\nPage 73 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is it a person or a corporation? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Who's the owner of that \\$10 million? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·9· · · · A.· ·Me. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Is it possible that that \\$10 million -- 12· ·strike that. 13· · · · · · ·Where was the sale done? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·What type of plane was it? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·So the exact model, I think it might have 20· ·been 747.· It's pretty big. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Is it a plane you had traveled on with 23· ·your family? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. 25· · · · A.· ·Yes.· When I was a kid back in China, I\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 75 of 211\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 74 | |\n|----|-------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| | | ·2· ·traveled with my family on it. | | |\n| | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | ·4· · · · Q.· ·How old were you then? | | |\n| | | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| | | ·6· · · · A.· ·I was a teenager. | | |\n| | ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | ·8· · · · Q.· ·So how old is this plane? | | |\n| | | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| | | 10· · · · A.· ·I think it's probably 15 years. | | |\n| | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 12· · · · Q.· ·And you don't recall which of your | | |\n| | | 13· ·entities held that plane -- | | |\n| | | 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 16· · · · Q.· ·-- prior to the sale this summer? | | |\n| | | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| | | 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember the full name.· I think | | |\n| | | 19· ·it's probably Whitcraft. | | |\n| | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 21· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you flew on the | | |\n| | 22· ·plane? | | | |\n| | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| | | 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| 25 | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 75 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time your father flew on ·4· ·the plane? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't remember either. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does Hong Kong International USA ·9· ·file tax returns? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·Where does it file tax returns? 12· · · · A.· ·In New York.· I'm not sure. 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you have copies of those tax returns? 14· · · · A.· ·Not at the moment. 15· · · · Q.· ·Who holds copies of those tax returns? 16· · · · A.· ·The person who does tax for me. 17· · · · Q.· ·And when you were in Hong Kong, did you 18· ·file -- Hong Kong International, did it file tax 19· ·returns? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you know why Mr. Vartan would have 22· ·written to O'Melveny & Myers and told them that 23· ·Hong Kong International does not file tax returns? 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 25· · · · A.· ·I'm actually a bit confused now.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 77 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 76 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·Now we're talking about Hong Kong | | |\n| ·3· ·International, right? | | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·No.· Hong Kong International USA. | | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·Do you know why Mr. Vartan would have told | | |\n| ·7· ·O'Melveny & Myers in 2021 that Hong Kong | | |\n| ·8· ·International USA does not file tax returns? | | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·That's because this company now doesn't | | |\n| 11· ·make any profits. | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·I think I probably made a mistake myself | | |\n| 13· ·earlier because I don't really remember details | | |\n| 14· ·about the tax. | | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·When you said you made a mistake, what do | | |\n| 17· ·you mean?· Does Hong Kong International USA file tax | | |\n| 18· ·returns or not? | | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·I'm not -- I'm really not sure. | | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You allege that the Lady May was | | |\n| 21· ·given to you as a gift, correct? | | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Did you declare it as a gift for taxes in | | |\n| 24· ·any country? | | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 78 of\n\n211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 77 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·Again, if this is calling for advice of | |\n| ·3· · · · counsel or conversations with counsel, you | |\n| ·4· · · · can't disclose that. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·You don't know if you declared -- let me | |\n| ·8· ·just be very clear. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Have you ever declared the Lady May as a | |\n| 10· ·gift for purposes of taxes filed in the | |\n| 11· ·United States by yourself or Hong Kong | |\n| 12· ·International? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Same admonition, | |\n| 14· · · · that if this implicates -- | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· This is a yes-or-no question, | |\n| 16· · · · Counsel.· These are completely improper. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·Counsel, there's no privilege issue to | |\n| 18· · · · asking yes or no, did she declare it on her | |\n| 19· · · · taxes.· Right? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If she was directed by her | |\n| 21· · · · attorneys to do one thing -- | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm not asking what advice | |\n| 23· · · · she got.· I'm asking yes or no, did something | |\n| 24· · · · happen. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Counsel, this is improper. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 79 of 211\n\nPage 78 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm allowed to interpose my ·3· · · · objection. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead, Ms. Guo.· Please answer the ·6· ·question. ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever declare the Lady May as gift ·9· ·for purposes of filing taxes in Hong Kong? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. 11· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Is there any country that you know of for 14· ·which you declared the Lady May as a gift for 15· ·purposes of filing taxes? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. 17· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Are you familiar with a woman named 20· ·Yvette Wang? 21· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I know her. 22· · · · Q.· ·Who is Ms. Wang? 23· · · · A.· ·She's my friend and she's also worked at 24· ·my brother's company. 25· · · · Q.· ·What company is that?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n211\n\n| | | Page 79 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·(A discussion was held off the record.) | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The interpreter stands | |\n| | ·4· · · · corrected.· The witness said \"She worked for my | |\n| ·5· · · · brother.\" | | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·What does Ms. Wang do for your brother? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·She works at my brother's family fund | |\n| ·9· ·office. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·And what is the name of your brother's | |\n| 11· ·family fund office? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·Golden Spring, New York. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Does she still work there? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Where does she work now? | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·When did she stop working there? | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know the exact time. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·What's your best estimate? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·Last year. | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Before or after your father declared | |\n| 22· ·bankruptcy? | | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·After, I think. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·How long after your father declared | |\n| | 25· ·bankruptcy did Ms. Wang leave her employment at | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 81 of 211\n\nPage 80 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·Golden Spring? ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you know Ms. Wang's phone number? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know where Ms. Wang lives? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 10· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·If you had to send her a letter, what 13· ·address would you send it to? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 15· · · · A.· ·I don't write letters to her. 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you have her email address? 18· · · · A.· ·No. 19· · · · Q.· ·Who else works at Golden Spring other than 20· ·Ms. Wang? 21· · · · A.· ·A lot of people.· I don't know their 22· ·names. 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you know anyone's name other than 24· ·Ms. Wang who has worked at Golden Spring? 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 82 of\n\n211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 81 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you saw Ms. Wang? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·Last month. | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·It's January now, right?· It's been one or | |\n| ·5· ·two months. | | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Where did you see Ms. Wang? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·In Connecticut. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·At your parents' home? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you believe Ms. Wang to be honest? | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·To be truthful? | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·I really don't understand, you know, these | |\n| 17· · · · questions. | | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan -- | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· At this point they're so far | |\n| | 20· · · · afield -- I mean, we've been far afield all | |\n| | 21· · · · day, but these in particular are completely out | |\n| 22· · · · of bounds. | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·You can answer. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 82 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · Q.· ·If Ms. Wang said that an entity she worked ·3· ·for was actually controlled by Mr. Kwok, would you ·4· ·have any reason to believe that she was not telling ·5· ·the truth? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. ·7· · · · A.· ·When did she say that and where did she ·8· ·say that? ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·I'm just asking you, if she was to make a 11· ·statement that an entity she worked for was actually 12· ·controlled by your father, would you have any reason 13· ·to believe she wasn't telling the truth? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· If you have a 15· · · · copy of the statement that you want to share 16· · · · with the witness, by all means.· But these are, 17· · · · you know, unfair questions.· You're asking 18· · · · hypotheticals topped on hypotheticals. 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: 20· · · · Q.· ·You can answer. 21· · · · A.· ·I would like to see that document. 22· · · · Q.· ·I'm just asking you a question. 23· · · · · · ·If that's what she said, would you have 24· ·any reason to believe she wasn't telling the truth? 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· She's answered\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 83 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · your question. ·3· · · · A.· ·I haven't seen this thing and I don't know ·4· ·whether she actually said that.· I can't really say ·5· ·whether she was not telling the truth. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you know a person named Max Krasner? ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes, I know. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who is Mr. Krasner? 10· · · · A.· ·A person that works at my brother's 11· ·company, Golden Spring. 12· · · · Q.· ·Sorry.· Let me step back one second. 13· · · · · · ·Has Ms. Wang ever worked for you or one of 14· ·your companies? 15· · · · A.· ·No. 16· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever authorized Ms. Wang to take 17· ·actions on behalf of you or one of your companies? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·What did Mr. Krasner do at Golden Spring? 22· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about the specifics. 23· ·Probably management. 24· · · · Q.· ·Does Mr. Krasner still work at 25· ·Golden Spring?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 85 of\n\n| 211 | |\n|-----|--|\n| | |\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 84 |\n|---------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Krasner stop working at | |\n| ·4· ·Golden Spring? | | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection? | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·Also last year. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Before or after your father declared | |\n| ·9· ·bankruptcy? | | |\n| | 10· · · · A.· ·After. | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know where Mr. Krasner works now? | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you spoke to | |\n| 14· ·Mr. Krasner? | | |\n| | 15· · · · A.· ·Last year. | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever speak to Mr. Krasner about | |\n| | 17· ·Hong Kong International? | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever speak to Ms. Wang about | |\n| | 20· ·Hong Kong International? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Do you know someone named Fiona Yu? | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·It sounds very familiar, but I don't | |\n| 24· ·remember. | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·How about Daniel Podhaskie? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 86 of\n\n211\n\nPage 85 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·I think this person was probably also an ·3· ·employee of Golden Spring. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have any business dealings ·5· ·with Mr. Podhaskie? ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have -- did you ever speak to ·8· ·Mr. Podhaskie regarding Hong Kong International? ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 10· · · · Q.· ·Does Mr. Podhaskie work at Golden Spring 11· ·currently? 12· · · · A.· ·No. 13· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have any business dealings 14· ·with Ms. Wang? 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 16· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time you spoke to 17· ·Mr. Podhaskie? 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 19· · · · Q.· ·Who is Aaron Mitchell? 20· · · · A.· ·My counsel. 21· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Mitchell start serving as 22· ·your counsel? 23· · · · A.· ·It's been many years. 24· · · · Q.· ·When did he first start becoming your 25· ·counsel?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 87 of\n\n211\n\nYVer1f\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 86 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Why did you hire Mr. Mitchell? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Because I need Mr. Mitchell. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that Mr. Mitchell is also | |\n| ·8· ·your father's lawyer? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Is Mr. Mitchell currently your counsel? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Was Mr. Mitchell your counsel during the | |\n| 13· ·time of the PAX litigation between PAX and your | |\n| 14· ·father? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you know Melissa Francis? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever had any dealings with | |\n| 19· ·Melissa Francis through Golden Spring? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·She just said she doesn't know | |\n| 22· · · · Melissa Francis. | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·If I told you that Ms. Francis was the | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 88 of 211\n\nPage 87 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·general counsel at Golden Spring, would that refresh ·3· ·your recollection? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· We are going to mark as Mei Guo ·8· ·Deposition Exhibit 1 what I believe you will tell me ·9· ·is a copy of the affidavit you submitted to the 10· ·State Supreme Court of the State of New York in 11· ·connection with the Pacific Alliance Asia 12· ·Opportunity Fund v. Ho Wan Kwok, Genever Holdings, 13· ·and Genever Holdings Corporation litigation. 14· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 1 was received and marked 15· · · · for identification, as of this date.) 16· · · · A.· ·(Witness reviews document.) 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you recognize this document? 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. 20· · · · Q.· ·If we turn to page 5 of 6, is that your 21· ·signature? 22· · · · A.· ·Yes. 23· · · · Q.· ·And is everything you put in this 24· ·affidavit that was submitted to the Court in the 25· ·Supreme Court, State of New York, truthful and\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 88 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·accurate? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Is there anything in this affidavit that ·5· ·you would want to change, sitting here today? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If you need to read it in ·7· · · · full, obviously, you have that ability. ·8· · · · A.· ·Let me take a look. ·9· · · · · · ·(Witness reviews document.) 10· · · · · · ·I'm done. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Having now reread your entire affidavit, 13· ·is there anything in it that you believe is 14· ·inaccurate? 15· · · · A.· ·No. 16· · · · Q.· ·Is there anything in it that you wish to 17· ·change? 18· · · · A.· ·No. 19· · · · Q.· ·If you're called as a witness at the 20· ·hearing in connection with this litigation, would 21· ·you give the same testimony as you have set forth in 22· ·this affidavit? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes, I would. 24· · · · Q.· ·Other than what is set forth in this 25· ·affidavit, if you were called as a witness in this\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 89 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·hearing, is there anything else, sitting here today, | |\n| ·3· ·that you intend to testify to at the hearing before | |\n| ·4· ·Judge Manning at the bankruptcy court? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· How could she | |\n| ·6· · · · possibly answer that? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand the question. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Does it mean that if I would be saying the | |\n| ·9· ·same things I'm saying here today at the court? | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Maybe I'll ask it a different way. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·In writing this declaration that you | |\n| 13· ·submitted to the Supreme Court of the State of | |\n| 14· ·New York, did you intend to include all pertinent | |\n| 15· ·facts that you thought the Court should know with | |\n| 16· ·regard to HK International USA and your assertion of | |\n| 17· ·ownership with regard to the Lady May? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, form. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Sitting here today, are there any other | |\n| 22· ·facts that you are aware of that you think the | |\n| 23· ·bankruptcy court should know with regard to | |\n| 24· ·HK International USA and your assertion that | |\n| 25· ·HK International USA is the owner of Lady May? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 91 of\n\n211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 90 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· How could she | |\n| ·3· · · · possibly answer that? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·If you have a specific question -- | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, stop. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I mean, that's not a | |\n| ·7· · · · permissible question. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It is a completely permissible | |\n| ·9· · · · question.· I'm tired of you wasting time. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm not wasting any time. | |\n| 11· · · · That is an impossible question to answer. | |\n| 12· · · · You're asking her to set forth from the | |\n| 13· · · · beginning of time -- | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan?· No.· I said | |\n| 15· · · · \"sitting here today.\" | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·Please listen to my question.· Stop | |\n| 17· · · · interrupting. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, please answer my question. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't see how she can | |\n| 21· · · · possibly answer that question.· I don't know | |\n| 22· · · · how anyone could.· But if you can -- | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, do we have to go to | |\n| 24· · · · the Court?· I'm tired of, before every time I | |\n| 25· · · · ask a question, you telling the witness \"That's | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 92 of\n\n211\n\n| Page 91
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· · · · not one you could possibly answer.\" | |\n| | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't know how anyone -- I | |\n| ·4· · · · couldn't even answer that question. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, guess what?· You don't | |\n| ·6· · · · know any of the facts, so that doesn't surprise | |\n| ·7· · · · me.· You're not getting deposed today.· She's | |\n| ·8· · · · the fact witness. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Please let her answer the question without | |\n| 10· · · · your interference. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·I'm not quite sure what this question is. | |\n| 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Your counsel has listed you as a witness | |\n| 14· ·for the upcoming PJR hearing. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Are you aware of that? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Is it your intention to offer testimony on | |\n| 18· ·behalf of the lawsuit you have brought and against | |\n| 19· ·the counterclaims brought by the trustee at the PJR | |\n| 20· ·hearing? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Other than the facts that you have set | |\n| 23· ·forth in what has been marked as Mei Guo Deposition | |\n| 24· ·Exhibit 1, which is your affidavit, are there any | |\n| 25· ·other facts that you intend to offer in affirmative | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 93 of 211\n\nPage 92 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·testimony to the bankruptcy court in connection with ·3· ·the PJR hearing? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to the form of that ·5· · · · question. ·6· · · · A.· ·At the moment, no. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·I'm marking as Mei Guo deposition ·9· ·Exhibit 2 what I believe you will tell me is a copy 10· ·of the hearing transcript from February 2nd, 2022, 11· ·before Justice Ostrager in the PAX v. Genever 12· ·Holdings litigation. 13· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 2 was received and marked 14· · · · for identification, as of this date.) 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you attended this hearing, 17· ·correct? 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. 19· · · · Q.· ·Were you there for the entirety of the 20· ·hearing? 21· · · · A.· ·Not the entire hearing.· Just when I was 22· ·needed. 23· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan represented you at that 24· ·hearing? 25· · · · A.· ·Yes.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 94 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|---------------|------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| ·4· ·correct? | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 11· ·correct? | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | ·2· · · · Q.· ·And you're aware that Mr. Vartan appeared
·3· ·on behalf of Hong Kong International; is that
·5· · · · A.· ·Yes.
·6· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan presented you as a witness
·7· ·at the hearing?
·8· · · · A.· ·Yes.
·9· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan presented other witnesses
10· ·on behalf of Hong Kong International at the hearing,
12· · · · A.· ·I don't quite remember.
13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall Mr. Vartan also appeared on
14· ·your behalf at the hearing?
15· · · · A.· ·Yes.
16· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall someone named
17· ·Russell Stockil?
18· · · · A.· ·Yes.
19· · · · Q.· ·Who is Mr. Stockil?
20· · · · A.· ·The person responsible at the management
21· ·company of my yacht.
22· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall that Mr. Vartan presented
23· ·Mr. Stockil as a witness at the hearing?
24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.
25· · · · Q.· ·I'll ask you to turn to page 76 of the |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 95 of\n\n211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 94 |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| | ·2· ·hearing transcript.· Specifically, I'm going to | |\n| | ·3· ·direct you to lines 9 through 12. | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·Do you see the question is to Mr. Stockil: | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · \"The representatives that you refer | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·to in paragraph 3, namely the | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·representatives of HK USA who contacted | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·you, none of them was Ms. Mei Guo, | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·correct?\" | | |\n| | 10· · · · · · · · · \"Yes, that's correct.\" | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·Do you see that testimony? | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Any reason to believe that Mr. Stockil's | |\n| | 14· ·testimony was not truthful and accurate? | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·Do you know what representative of HK USA | |\n| | 19· ·contacted Mr. Stockil on behalf of HK USA? | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·I think there was a Max.· Whether there | |\n| | 21· ·were also others, I don't know. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Max Krasner is who you're referring to? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·So Max Krasner was the person who | |\n| | 25· ·contacted Mr. Stockil with regard to the Lady May? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 96 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 95 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·Are you asking about the testimony or | |\n| ·4· · · · generally? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Here what is written is representative. | |\n| ·6· ·So I think there were probably several people, but I | |\n| ·7· ·don't quite remember exactly who. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Can you recall anyone other than | |\n| 10· ·Mr. Krasner who was authorized to speak to | |\n| 11· ·Mr. Stockil with regard to the Lady May? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·If you turn to page 78, you see on line 20 | |\n| 14· ·Mr. Stockil is asked: | |\n| 15· · · · · · · · · \"You've never met or spoken with | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·her,\" meaning Mei Guo, \"either, correct?\" | |\n| 17· · · · · · · · · \"That is correct, yes.\" | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·Is Mr. Stockil's testimony accurate that | |\n| 19· ·you have never met or spoken with him? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· As of that date or up through | |\n| 21· · · · present? | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Why don't we start with just as of that | |\n| 24· ·date. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 97 of\n\n211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 96 | |\n|--------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever spoken with Mr. Stockil? | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Could you look at the bottom of that page. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·Starting at line 25, it says: | | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · · · · \"All directions on the Lady May's | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·movements comes from Ms. Guo through her | | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·representatives.· That means, doesn't it, | | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·that none of the direction on the | | |\n| | 10· · · · · · ·Lady May's movements come from Ms. Guo | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·directly?\" | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· No, not to us, no.· They | | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·come through the family office, that's | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·correct.\" | | | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·And then he identifies it as | | |\n| 16· ·Golden Spring. | | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·Do you agree that it's truthful testimony | | |\n| | 18· ·that none of the direction regarding the Lady May's | | |\n| | 19· ·movements came to Mr. Stockil and his company from | | |\n| 20· ·you directly? | | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I agree. | | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on page -- | | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· You were asking whether that's | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 98 of 211\n\nPage 97 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · truthful testimony, but the interpreter asked ·3· · · · whether she agrees, whether Ms. Guo agrees with ·4· · · · that. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· That's fine.· I don't draw a ·6· · · · distinction. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Do you see on line 16 on page 79: ·9· · · · · · ·\"MR. VARTAN:· Your Honor, we would call 10· ·next Momchil Ivanov.\" 11· · · · · · ·Do you know who Mr. Ivanov is? 12· · · · A.· ·The captain at that time. 13· · · · Q.· ·If you turn to page 81, look at line 17. 14· ·Question to Mr. Ivanov was: 15· · · · · · · · · \"I just want to find out whether you 16· · · · · · ·have ever met or spoken with Ms. Mei Guo.\" 17· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· Not directly sir, no.\" 18· · · · · · ·Any reason to believe Mr. Ivanov's 19· ·testimony is not truthful and accurate? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 21· · · · A.· ·I'm not quite sure.· Maybe there's the 22· ·issue with the language used.· Because here it's 23· ·saying we've not spoken, but as far as I remember, 24· ·we sent messages to each other. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 98 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Ivanov says he's never met you. ·4· · · · · · ·Was that true at the time he gave that ·5· ·testimony? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Yes, you had never met Mr. Ivanov as of ·8· ·the time of the testimony; is that correct? ·9· · · · A.· ·That's correct.· We never met. 10· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever met Mr. Ivanov to date? 11· · · · A.· ·No. 12· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Ivanov stop being the captain 13· ·of the Lady May? 14· · · · A.· ·I think it was probably during the 15· ·pandemic.· During that time he was the captain in 16· ·Europe only.· So I never met him. 17· · · · Q.· ·You don't recall what date the captain of 18· ·the Lady May left his post? 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 20· · · · Q.· ·And then you would agree with Mr. Ivanov 21· ·that he never received orders or directions from you 22· ·directly? 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Mr. Luft, where are you 24· · · · reading from? 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It's line 22 through 24.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 100 of 211\n\nPage 99 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. ·3· · · · A.· ·I agree. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever met -- do you know who ·6· ·Craig Heaslop is? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Heaslop, H-E-A-S-L-O-P. ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes.· He is the captain that worked for ·9· ·the longest time on my yacht. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Vartan called him as a witness at 12· ·the hearing as well, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I'm not sure about the 14· ·details. 15· · · · Q.· ·Turn to page 83. 16· · · · · · ·Do you see there's a line that says: 17· · · · · · · · · \"MR. VARTAN:· Your Honor, the 18· · · · · · ·defendant would call Craig Heaslop to the 19· · · · · · ·stand\"? 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · Q.· ·And the defendant in this that Mr. Vartan 22· ·is referring to is your father, correct? 23· · · · A.· ·Wait a moment.· In which line? 24· · · · Q.· ·It's lines 1 through 2, and you're welcome 25· ·to read through to 6.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 100 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·Could you please repeat the question? | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Sure. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·When Mr. Vartan said, \"Your Honor, the | |\n| | ·6· ·defendant would call Craig Heaslop to the stand,\" | |\n| | ·7· ·the defendant he is referring to is your father, | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·I'm a little bit confused.· I'm not sure. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Was HK International a defendant in this | |\n| 11· ·litigation? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·This is from last year, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Yes.· This is from February 2, 2022, the | |\n| | 14· ·PAX litigation against your father, Genever Holdings | |\n| | 15· ·Corp., and Genever Holdings LLC. | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·So you are asking me whether we are the | |\n| | 17· ·defendants, right?· I mean my -- when I refer to | |\n| 18· ·\"we,\" it's HKI. | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·My question was Mr. Vartan said the | |\n| | 20· ·defendant would call Craig Heaslop, and I just | |\n| | 21· ·wanted to confirm it's your understanding that the | |\n| | 22· ·defendant he's referring to is your father, | |\n| 23· ·Mr. Kwok? | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about the legal language. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Sure. | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 102 of 211\n\nPage 101 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Was Mr. Vartan your father's counsel for ·3· ·this trial? ·4· · · · A.· ·No. ·5· · · · Q.· ·He represented you and Hong Kong ·6· ·International, correct? ·7· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know Mr. Heaslop? ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you know him to be honest? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·As far as I know, yes. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·I want to point you to testimony, if you'd 15· ·turn to page 87. 16· · · · A.· ·(Witness complies.) 17· · · · Q.· ·Starting on line 21. 18· · · · · · ·And Mr. Heaslop was the captain of the 19· ·ship, correct? 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on line 21, the witness says, 22· ·with regard to Mr. Kwok: 23· · · · · · · · · \"He was on and off the yacht 24· · · · · · ·throughout the summer as usual.· Specific 25· · · · · · ·dates I couldn't tell you.\"\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 103 of 211\n\n| | Page 102
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·Actually, let me strike that.· Let's go to |\n| | ·3· ·line 17 so we have context. |\n| | ·4· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Prior to October 2020, |\n| | ·5· · · · · · ·when was the last time you recall Mr. Kwok |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·being on the yacht?\" |\n| | ·7· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Prior to |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·October 2020?\" |\n| | ·9· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Yes.\" |\n| | 10· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· He was on and off the |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·yacht throughout the summer as usual. |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·Specific dates, I couldn't tell you |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·retrospectively when they came and went.\" |\n| | 14· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Was he on the yacht for |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·a significant part of the month of July?\" |\n| | 16· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· That was COVID.· Yes, |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·he was.\" |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·Do you have any reason to believe that |\n| | 19· · · · Mr. Heaslop's testimony with regard to your -- |\n| | 20· · · · how frequently your father was on the Lady May |\n| | 21· · · · in the month of July 2020 is in any way |\n| | 22· · · · inaccurate? |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·It's accurate. |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 104 of 211\n\n| Page 103
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·The Court goes on: |\n| ·4· · · · · · · · · \"How about during the month of |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·August 2020?\" |\n| ·6· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Yes.\" |\n| ·7· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· How about during the |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·month of September 2020?\" |\n| ·9· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· I believe so, yes.\" |\n| 10· · · · · · ·Again, asking whether your father was on |\n| 11· ·the Lady May for a significant portion of that |\n| 12· ·month. |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Do you have any reason to believe that |\n| 14· ·Mr. Heaslop's testimony with regard to the months of |\n| 15· ·August and September is inaccurate? |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·It's accurate. |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·If we go to line 13, the Court asks |\n| 20· ·Ms. Heaslop: |\n| 21· · · · · · · · · \"As between Mr. Kwok and Ms. Guo, how |\n| 22· · · · · · ·would you compare the duration of the time |\n| 23· · · · · · ·each of them spent on the yacht during |\n| 24· · · · · · ·July, August, September 2020?\" |\n| 25· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· During those months |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 105 of 211\n\nPage 104 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok spent more time on the yacht than ·3· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo.\" ·4· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· A lot or little more ·5· · · · · · ·time?\" ·6· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· It was a lot more ·7· · · · · · ·time.\" ·8· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo, do you have any reason to believe ·9· ·that Mr. Heaslop's testimony that I just read to you 10· ·was not truthful and accurate? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·It's accurate. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Turn to page 89.· If you look at lines 10 15· ·through 14: 16· · · · · · · · · \"Question:· Paragraph 17 of your 17· · · · · · ·affidavit says that you had a subsequent 18· · · · · · ·conversation with a representative of 19· · · · · · ·Hong Kong USA and confirmed that the yacht 20· · · · · · ·was no longer needed in New York.· That 21· · · · · · ·person wasn't Mei Guo, was it?\" 22· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· No.\" 23· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo, is that accurate testimony that, 24· · · · in fact, you were not the person who told 25· · · · Captain Heaslop that the yacht was no longer\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 106 of 211\n\n| ·2· · · · needed in New York?
·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.
·4· · · · A.· ·It's true.
·5· ·BY MR. LUFT:
·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If you turn to page 93,
·7· ·Captain Heaslop was asked questions with regard to
·8· ·when your father was aboard the Lady May.
·9· · · · · · ·You can also look at line 2.· It says:
10· · · · · · · · · \"My question for you is:· When he was
11· · · · · · ·aboard, he directed the movements of the
12· · · · · · ·yacht, right?· I don't mean he piloted it,
13· · · · · · ·but he told you where he wanted to go?\"
14· · · · · · · · · \"Answer:· Yeah.\"
15· · · · · · ·Do you see that testimony?
16· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it.
17· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any reason to believe that
18· ·testimony is not truthful and accurate?
19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.
20· · · · A.· ·No.· It's true.
21· ·BY MR. LUFT:
22· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I'm going to ask you to turn to
23· ·page 95. | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 105 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·If we look at page -- line 12, the Court | | | |\n| 25· ·asks: | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 107 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 106 |\n|-------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · \"You did testify, sir\" -- this is, | |\n| ·3· ·again, Captain Heaslop -- \"during July, | |\n| ·4· ·August, September of 2020, Mr. Kwok was a | |\n| ·5· ·frequent guest on the yacht, and | |\n| ·6· ·presumably he told you where he wanted to | |\n| ·7· ·go?\" | |\n| ·8· · · · \"THE WITNESS:· That's right, | |\n| ·9· ·Your Honor.· There's like local movements | |\n| 10· ·in the northern area or the southern area | |\n| 11· ·where the guests are using the boat. | |\n| 12· ·There's direction about where they want to | |\n| 13· ·go and what they want to do on any given | |\n| 14· ·day. | |\n| 15· · · · \"What I meant -- what I was talking | |\n| 16· ·about, about not having direction, was for | |\n| 17· ·the repositioning of the yacht seasonally | |\n| 18· ·between the northeast and southeast.· That | |\n| 19· ·came from the office.\" | |\n| 20· · · · \"THE COURT:· I see.· So if Mr. Kwok | |\n| 21· ·wanted to go to Nantucket, you would take | |\n| 22· ·him there?\" | |\n| 23· · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Absolutely, yeah.\" | |\n| 24· · · · \"THE COURT:· If he wanted to go to | |\n| 25· ·Bar Harbor, Maine, you would take him to | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 108 of 211\n\nPage 107 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Bar Harbor, Maine?\" ·3· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Yes.\" ·4· · · · · · ·Do you have any reason to believe that ·5· ·that testimony that Captain Heaslop gave in response ·6· ·to the Court's questions is in any way not truthful ·7· ·or inaccurate? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Do you want to ·9· · · · ask her to read through line 6 of page 96? I 10· · · · just wanted to note that for my own note. 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You have a transcript.· You can 12· · · · read. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead and answer, Ms. Guo. 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Just asking a simple 16· · · · question. 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we take a break for 19· · · · lunch. 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure. 21· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 2:04 p.m.· We're 22· · · · going off the record. 23· · · · · · ·(At 2:04 p.m. a luncheon recess was 24· · · · taken.) 25· · · · · · ·(At 2:58 p.m. the deposition resumes.)\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 109 of 211\n\nPage 108 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\* ·3· · · · · · A F T E R N O O N· ·S E S S I O N ·4· ·\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\*\\* ·5· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· The time is 2:58 p.m. ·6· · · · We are back on the record. ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I asked you a question earlier ·9· ·about Hong Kong International and whether it filed 10· ·taxes. 11· · · · · · ·I neglected to ask you:· Do you pay income 12· ·taxes in this country? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you declare any income last year? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: 20· · · · Q.· ·What was the source of that income? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 22· · · · A.· ·Pangu CEO. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·You told me that Pangu Plaza was seized a 25· ·year ago.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 110 of 211\n\n| Page 109
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·Do you continue to be paid as the Pangu |\n| ·3· ·CEO after its seizure? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Do you have a copy of your tax returns |\n| ·6· ·that you filed in this country? |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't have them now. |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Who does? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·At home.· It's in my home. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·You have copies in your home? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Since you acquired Hong Kong |\n| 13· ·International in 2017, have you earned any income or |\n| 14· ·revenue from it? |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· We have not received copies of |\n| 17· · · · Ms. Guo's taxes.· We have requested them.
I |\n| 18· · · · will renew my request that you turn them over |\n| 19· · · · to us. |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure.· You can submit it in |\n| 21· · · · writing.· We'll take it under advisement. |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I have already submitted it in |\n| 23· · · · writing.· You have open requests for it.· I'll |\n| 24· · · · ask you to please turn them over. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Well, I don't know if there |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 111 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 110 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · were objections made.· I presume that there | |\n| | ·3· · · · were.· But I'll certainly take a look. | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So I have a question.· What | |\n| | ·5· · · · does my personal income tax have to do with | |\n| ·6· · · · this case? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You don't have to -- that's | |\n| | ·8· · · · my objection.· We'll make sure we lodge it. | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, your father founded Hong Kong | |\n| | 12· ·International in 2006, correct? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·And your father owned and controlled | |\n| | 15· ·Hong Kong International until October 2014, correct? | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·And your father transferred Hong Kong | |\n| | 18· ·International to Ms. Qu in October 2014, correct? | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·You gave testimony stating -- strike that. | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·At the time you came to this country in | |\n| | 22· ·2017, Ms. Qu was the sole member of Hong Kong | |\n| | 23· ·International, correct? | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you know if, at any time after your | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 112 of 211\n\n| Page 111 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n| ·2· ·father transferred Hong Kong International to Ms. Qu |\n| ·3· ·in October 2014 and the time you came to the |\n| ·4· ·United States, anyone other than Ms. Qu was a member |\n| ·5· ·of Hong Kong International? |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know. |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware if Ms. Qu entered into any |\n| ·8· ·agreements with anyone regarding control of |\n| ·9· ·Hong Kong International between October 2014 and the |\n| 10· ·time she transferred you the company in 2017? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·How did you meet -- when did you first |\n| 13· ·meet Ms. Qu? |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection of when you |\n| 16· ·first recall knowing Ms. Qu? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·When I was in China. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Can you be any more specific? |\n| 19· · · · · · ·Were you a young girl at the time, |\n| 20· ·teenager, adult? |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I was an adult. |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·And how did you come to know Ms. Qu? |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·She works with my brother. |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·When did she work with your brother? |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I don't know. |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 113 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 112 |\n|--------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Where did she work with your brother? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·In what country did she work with your | |\n| ·5· ·brother? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't know that, about that either. | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever see your brother and Ms. Qu | |\n| ·8· ·at work together? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·What business was Ms. Qu and your brother | |\n| 11· ·in? | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Did your brother introduce you to Ms. Qu? | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Where did you meet Ms. Qu? | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, asked and | |\n| 17· · · · answered. | | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·In China. | | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Where in China? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·Beijing. | | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Where in Beijing? | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you met Ms. Qu prior to | |\n| 25· ·2014? | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 114 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 113 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Before 2014, I don't remember. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that Ms. Qu was your | |\n| | ·4· ·father's executive assistant? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that Ms. Qu was your | |\n| | ·7· ·father's account manager? | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·No.· I don't know.· No, I don't know. | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·You state in your affidavit that: | |\n| | 10· · · · · · · · · \"I understand that Ms. Qu was a | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·trusted business partner of my brother's | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·as well as my uncles and cousins.\" | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·What is that understanding based on? | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Which paragraph are you | |\n| | 15· · · · reading? | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Paragraph 8. | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· Ms. Interpreter, I don't think | |\n| | 19· · · · you finished translating the entire question. | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I thought I finished. | |\n| | 21· · · · Which part did I miss? | |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· \"I'll be honest, what's the | |\n| | 23· · · · basis of that understanding.\" | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·My brother told me. | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 115 of 211\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 114 | |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·What did he tell you? | | |\n| | | ·4· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | | ·5· · · · Q.· ·When did he tell you this? | | |\n| | | ·6· · · · A.· ·So I think it was before Ms. Qu came to | | |\n| | ·7· ·the US. | | | |\n| | | ·8· · · · Q.· ·When was that? | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·2017. | | | |\n| | | 10· · · · Q.· ·Why did your brother say this to you? | | |\n| | | 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 14· · · · Q.· ·So you have no personal knowledge of | | |\n| | | 15· ·whether Ms. Qu is a trusted business partner of your | | |\n| | 16· ·brother's, as well as your uncles and cousins, only | | | |\n| | | 17· ·what your brother told you, correct? | | |\n| | | 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | | 19· · · · A.· ·That's correct. | | |\n| | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 21· · · · Q.· ·Who drafted your declaration for you that | | |\n| | | 22· ·has been marked Exhibit 1? | | |\n| | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | | 24· · · · A.· ·That's this one, right? | | |\n| 25 | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 116 of 211\n\n| | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 115 | |\n|----------|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Yes, ma'am. | | |\n| | | ·4· · · · A.· ·My counsel. | | |\n| | | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Which counsel? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·Lee. | | | |\n| | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· When you say \"my uncles and my | | |\n| | | ·8· ·cousins,\" which uncles and cousins are you referring | | |\n| ·9· ·to? | | | | |\n| | | 10· · · · · · ·This is in paragraph 8 of your affidavit | | |\n| | 11· ·declaration. | | | |\n| | | 12· · · · A.· ·So that would be referring to whom I | | |\n| | | 13· ·mentioned previously, the fourth, fifth, and sixth | | |\n| | 14· ·older brothers of my dad. | | | |\n| | | 15· · · · Q.· ·Do you know any business dealings that | | |\n| | | 16· ·Ms. Qu entered into with those uncles? | | |\n| | | 17· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| | | 18· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Counsel, did you say | | |\n| | | 19· · · · Ms. Guo or Mr. Guo or who? | | |\n| | | 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Ms. Qu. | | |\n| | | 21· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Oh.· Correction of the | | |\n| | | 22· · · · interpreter's interpretation just now. | | |\n| | | 23· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | | |\n| | 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you know -- strike that. | | |\n| | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 117 of 211\n\nPage 116 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·+ And do you know which cousins Ms. Qu was ·3· ·purported to be a trusted business partner of? ·4· · · · A.· ·So that would be the same answer as I gave ·5· ·this morning.· I don't want to reveal their names ·6· ·here. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask that you -- again, I ·8· · · · want to hold open if you're going to -- are you ·9· · · · going to instruct her not to answer? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Yes. 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Hold that open. 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you know of any business deals that 14· ·Ms. Qu did with any of your cousins? 15· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 16· · · · Q.· ·How old is Ms. Qu, approximately? 17· · · · A.· ·Over 30. 18· · · · Q.· ·A lot over 30 or a little over 30? 19· · · · A.· ·I think close to 40.· A lot over 30.· She 20· ·should be older than me. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· In 2014 -- well, do you recall what 22· ·year your brother graduated college? 23· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 24· · · · Q.· ·You agree that in 2016, your brother was 25· ·approximately 26 years old?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 118 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 117 | |\n|---------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't think so. | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·How old do you think he was in 2016? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·I think he was 30. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·When was your brother born? | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·My God.· '86 or '87.· I'm not quite sure. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· The Lady May was purchased by | | |\n| | ·8· ·Hong Kong International, correct? | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·And that was in -- | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Purchased? | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·Counsel, you said \"purchased,\" right? | | |\n| | 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes. | | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·That was in February 2015, correct? | | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 18· · · · Q.· ·And at that time Hong Kong International | | |\n| | 19· ·had been transferred to Ms. Qu by your father, | | |\n| 20· ·correct? | | | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·2015, right. | | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·In February of 2015, when they purchased | | |\n| | 23· ·the Lady May, correct? | | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·And Hong Kong International was | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 118 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·transferred. ·3· · · · · · ·Ms. Qu, are you aware, paid no money to ·4· ·your father for Hong Kong International? ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you know how much it cost to purchase ·7· ·the Lady May? ·8· · · · A.· ·Over 20 million euros. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And the money to pay for Hong Kong 10· ·International's purchase of Lady May did not come 11· ·from Ms. Qu, correct? 12· · · · A.· ·Correct. 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you know where the funds Hong Kong 14· ·International used to purchase the Lady May came 15· ·from? 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 17· · · · Q.· ·You state in paragraph 9 of your 18· ·affidavit, which is Exhibit 1: 19· · · · · · · · · \"From the time of its purchase, the 20· · · · · · ·Lady May was always intended to be my boat 21· · · · · · ·given my love of the ocean.· Indeed, it 22· · · · · · ·bears my name.\" 23· · · · · · ·Do you see where you put that in your 24· ·affidavit? 25· · · · A.· ·Yes.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 119
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Now, when the Lady May was purchased by |\n| ·3· ·Hong Kong International, Hong Kong International was |\n| ·4· ·in the name of Ms. Qu, not any of your family |\n| ·5· ·members, correct? |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did Ms. Qu ever tell you why she had |\n| ·8· ·Hong Kong International purchase the Lady May in |\n| ·9· ·February 2015? |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·So when you say \"The Lady May was always |\n| 12· ·intended to be my boat,\" you don't have any personal |\n| 13· ·knowledge as to what Hong Kong International's |\n| 14· ·intention was when it purchased the Lady May, |\n| 15· ·correct? |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I knew the intention for the purchase of |\n| 18· ·Lady May. |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·If Ms. Qu never told you why Hong Kong |\n| 21· ·International purchased the Lady May, who at |\n| 22· ·Hong Kong International told you why it purchased |\n| 23· ·the Lady May? |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·My brother told me. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Your brother has no role at Hong Kong |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 121 of 211\n\nPage 120 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·International, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·4· · · · Q.· ·And your brother wasn't the person who ·5· ·purchased the Lady May, correct? ·6· · · · A.· ·That's not correct.· He was the person who ·7· ·purchased it. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Are you saying that Hong Kong ·9· ·International didn't purchase the Lady May, but 10· ·rather your brother did? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates 12· · · · testimony. 13· · · · A.· ·Who and how -- who bought Lady May and 14· ·how, I didn't know the specifics.· All I knew is 15· ·that my brother bought the yacht as a present for 16· ·me. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·But your brother wasn't the person who 19· ·purchased the Lady May, was he? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates the 21· · · · testimony. 22· · · · A.· ·I don't understand your question. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·You've testified that Hong Kong 25· ·International purchased the Lady May in\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 121 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·February 2015, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·My understanding is that this company owns ·4· ·the boat. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Hong Kong International owned the boat in ·6· ·February 2015, correct? ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·8· · · · Q.· ·In fact, your brother was not involved in ·9· ·any transfers of the Lady May before the Lady May 10· ·was transferred to you in June of 2017, correct? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 12· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Well, if you open up the transcript from 15· ·the hearing to page 47, which is Exhibit 2. 16· · · · A.· ·Forty-seven?· Page 47, right? 17· · · · Q.· ·Page 47.· We'll start on page 46, line 22. 18· ·You state: 19· · · · · · · · · \"Your Honor, it is from Hong Kong 20· · · · · · ·International to Ms. Qu, then it was 21· · · · · · ·transferred to me.· It has never been 22· · · · · · ·transferred to my brother.\" 23· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· So you received the boat 24· · · · · · ·from Ms. Qu after she received the boat 25· · · · · · ·from Hong Kong International, correct?\"\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 122
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Yes, Your Honor.\" |\n| ·3· · · · · · · · · \"THE COURT:· Your brother was not |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·involved in any of the transfers before |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·you acquired the boat, according to your |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·testimony?\" |\n| ·7· · · · · · · · · \"THE WITNESS:· Correct.\" |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Was that truthful and accurate testimony |\n| ·9· ·that you gave to the Court? |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· And I'm just going to |\n| 11· · · · interpose an objection, just an objection. |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·That's correct. |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·That was truthful and accurate testimony |\n| 15· ·that you gave, correct? |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Again, objection.· I think |\n| 17· · · · there's confusion between transferring and |\n| 18· · · · purchase, but -- |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sir, I'm reading the transcript |\n| 20· · · · and saying is it truthful and accurate.· Please |\n| 21· · · · don't introduce new words.· We are really |\n| 22· · · · getting -- this is becoming a huge problem |\n| 23· · · · here. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I've been mostly quiet. |\n| 25· · · · You're talking about purchase and transfer. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 123 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · You're talking about -- ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I read a piece of ·4· · · · testimony and I asked if it was truthful and ·5· · · · accurate.· She read the same thing. ·6· · · · · · ·I didn't say the word \"purchased.\"· I read ·7· · · · it directly here.· It says \"transfer.\"· It's a ·8· · · · question that a Court asked her and she gave an ·9· · · · answer to. 10· · · · · · ·Please stop trying to interfere with this 11· · · · testimony. 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I am not. 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You are, and it's completely 14· · · · improper. 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You're saying the lead-in 16· · · · questions to this were all about purchasing. 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Oh, my gosh.· Mr. Vartan -- 18· · · · A.· ·I can't remember what is the question. 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yeah, I had a feeling that's 20· · · · where we were going to end up. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Okay, Ms. Guo.· Going back to the 23· ·testimony you gave in response to the Court's 24· ·question that I highlighted for you between -- on 25· ·page 46, line 16, through page 47, line 7, that was\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 125 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 124 | |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·2· ·truthful and accurate testimony, correct? | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·In February 2015, where were you located, | | |\n| ·5· ·Ms. Guo? | | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·Beijing, China. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·What were you doing there? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I was persecuted by the Chinese Communist | | |\n| ·9· ·Party. | | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Where was your brother located at the | | |\n| 11· ·time? | | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·He was in the UK, wasn't he? | | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Was he in China? | | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·No. | | | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·Was he in Hong Kong? | | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Why didn't the brother have the boat | | |\n| | 20· ·transferred to himself if he was the purchaser in | | |\n| 21· ·February 2015? | | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·Because the boat was purchased for me. | | |\n| 23· ·Because under the general circumstances at that | | | |\n| 24· ·time, myself and all of my family members were | | | |\n| 25· ·persecuted by the Chinese Communist Party. | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 126 of 211\n\nPage 125 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·Everything we had was frozen.· So it's impossible ·3· ·that it would be placed under his name. ·4· · · · Q.· ·But he wasn't in China, was he? ·5· · · · A.· ·That's right.· But the Chinese Communist ·6· ·Party would not only set eyes on things we owned in ·7· ·China. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Qu was in Hong Kong, wasn't she? ·9· · · · A.· ·When? 10· · · · Q.· ·In February 2015. 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 12· · · · Q.· ·The Lady May has never been in your 13· ·brother's name, correct? 14· · · · A.· ·That's correct. 15· · · · Q.· ·And your brother has never held legal 16· ·title to the Lady May? 17· · · · A.· ·That's correct. 18· · · · Q.· ·And there's no legal document indicating 19· ·that your brother ever held any ownership interest 20· ·in the Lady May, correct? 21· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 22· · · · Q.· ·And your brother never transferred the 23· ·Lady May to you, did he? 24· · · · A.· ·Correct. 25· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Qu never told you why Hong Kong\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 127 of 211\n\n| Page 126
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·International purchased the Lady May, did she? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·Never. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·When was the yacht which we refer to as | |\n| ·7· ·the Lady May named? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·From the very beginning, when there was an | |\n| ·9· ·intention to buy this boat, my brother was going to | |\n| 10· ·name it Lady May. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know who actually named the boat? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I just mentioned it's my brother. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·In fact, your father named it the | |\n| 14· ·Lady May, didn't he? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·No.· It's my brother. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·How do you know that? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·He told me himself. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·When did he tell you that? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·During the first phone call I received | |\n| 20· ·after I was released by the Chinese Communist Party | |\n| 21· ·in January 2015. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·So he told you this before anyone ever | |\n| 23· ·purchased the Lady May? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·He told me that he would purchase -- | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 128 of 211\n\nPage 127 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·purchase a boat as a present for me and also give it ·3· ·my name. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Where did he get the money to purchase you ·6· ·a boat in his twenties? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. ·8· · · · A.· ·I don't know. ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·Now, you state that the Lady May was 11· ·transferred to you on June 27, 2017, when you were 12· ·in the United States, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·Yes, it was June, but whether it was on 14· ·the 27th, I don't know. 15· · · · Q.· ·How did that transfer occur?· Who reached 16· ·out to whom? 17· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 18· · · · Q.· ·Who told you that you were going to be 19· ·transferred, from Hong Kong International, the 20· ·Lady May? 21· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 22· · · · Q.· ·Where did the transaction take place? 23· · · · A.· ·New York. 24· · · · Q.· ·Where in New York? 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 129 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | | Page 128 | |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Who was there? | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·There was Ms. Qu.· I don't remember about | | |\n| ·4· ·other people. | | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·You don't recall anyone else being there | | |\n| ·6· ·besides Ms. Qu? | | | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·No, I don't recall, not that there is no | | |\n| ·8· ·others. | | | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Were you advised by counsel on the | | |\n| 10· ·transaction? | | | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·I think probably, but I don't remember. | | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Who was your lawyer? | | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask the court | | |\n| | 15· · · · reporter to mark Mei Guo Deposition Exhibit 3, | | |\n| 16· · · · a document Bates-stamped HKI-14 through 20. | | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 3 was received and marked | | |\n| | 18· · · · for identification, as of this date.) | | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Do you have an additional | | |\n| | 20· · · · copy?· No big deal if you don't. | | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you recognize this document? | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·I've seen it before. | | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·What is it? | | | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·What this is, isn't it written on it?
I | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 130 of 211\n\nPage 129 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·think it's Lady May's Certificate of Registry. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on HKI-18 it indicates that the ·4· ·transferee is Mei Guo? ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. ·6· · · · Q.· ·And your address there is listed as ·7· ·Majestic View Manor, 20 South Bay Road, Hong Kong, ·8· ·correct? ·9· · · · A.· ·Where is it? 10· · · · Q.· ·Right at the top, under \"Address.\" 11· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. 12· · · · Q.· ·Earlier I asked you about that address. 13· · · · · · ·Does this refresh your recollection that, 14· ·in fact, you have resided at 20 South Bay Road, 15· ·Hong Kong? 16· · · · A.· ·I recall this address now, but I've never 17· ·resided there. 18· · · · Q.· ·Why did you list it as your address on 19· ·these official documents relating to the sale of the 20· ·Lady May and Hong Kong International? 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 22· · · · A.· ·Because this address is our home address 23· ·in Hong Kong. 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: 25· · · · Q.· ·Meaning it's your father's address in\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 130 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·Hong Kong? ·3· · · · A.· ·No.· It's the home address of our entire ·4· ·family. ·5· · · · Q.· ·One hundred people live at this address? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. ·7· · · · A.· ·It's not likely that 100 people would go ·8· ·to Hong Kong at the same time.· But even if we did, ·9· ·there would be enough room. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Is it your sworn testimony that this is 12· ·not the address that your father lived in in 13· ·Hong Kong? 14· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Asked and 15· · · · answered. 16· · · · A.· ·I didn't say that.· I don't know. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·All the stamps on this document have a 19· ·date of June 17 -- June 27, 2017. 20· · · · · · ·Do you see that, the circular stamps? 21· · · · A.· ·I see that. 22· · · · Q.· ·And there are stamps from Hong Kong, 23· ·correct? 24· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 25· · · · Q.· ·If you look at the circular stamps,\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 132 of 211\n\nPage 131 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·there's a stamp \"Duty, Hong Kong, 27.6.17.\" ·3· · · · · · ·Do you see that? ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. ·5· · · · Q.· ·You've seen this.· Do you think maybe this ·6· ·transaction was done in Hong Kong? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. ·8· · · · A.· ·It's not possible.· I'm 100 percent sure ·9· ·that it's in the US. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know why there are Hong Kong stamps 12· ·on these documents? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·How much did you pay Ms. Qu for Hong Kong 17· ·International and its asset, the Lady May? 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 19· · · · Q.· ·If you look at the document, it says 20· ·\"1 Hong Kong dollar.\" 21· · · · · · ·Does that refresh your recollection? 22· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I remember. 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you know when your father directed 24· ·Ms. Qu to transfer the Lady May to you? 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, misstates the\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 132 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · testimony. ·3· · · · A.· ·My father didn't direct her. ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Did Ms. Qu tell you that your father ·6· ·didn't direct her to do this? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. ·8· · · · A.· ·There's never been this conversation.· She ·9· ·doesn't need to tell me.· That just didn't happen. 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: 11· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, let's be very clear here. 12· · · · · · ·Ms. Qu never told you that her father -- 13· ·that your father did not make an arrangement with 14· ·her to have the Lady May transferred to you, 15· ·correct? 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· There are a lot of negatives 17· · · · in that question.· Maybe you want to restate. 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Again, when I need your help, 19· · · · I'll ask. 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· The question is wholly 21· · · · unclear.· I'm reading it. 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, you must be an 23· · · · amazing lawyer.· And I look forward to your 24· · · · depositions.· Until that time, I'm going to ask 25· · · · my questions, and then when you have your turn,\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 133 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · you'll ask yours. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You can answer the question ·4· · · · if you understand. ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand this question. ·6· ·It's not only that she didn't tell me that my dad ·7· ·didn't make the arrangement; neither did she tell me ·8· ·that my mother didn't make the arrangement. ·9· · · · · · ·I don't know why my dad is coming out of 10· ·this conversation. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you're aware that the New York 13· ·State Supreme Court found your dad to be the 14· ·beneficial owner of the Lady May, correct? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: 18· · · · Q.· ·You don't know that the State Supreme 19· ·Court came down with a ruling that your father is 20· ·the beneficial owner and has control of the 21· ·Lady May? 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·That's your testimony? 25· · · · A.· ·I don't recall that I'm aware of that.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 135 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 134 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall that the testimony we've | |\n| ·3· ·been looking at is from a hearing specifically to | |\n| ·4· ·determine who has beneficial ownership and control | |\n| ·5· ·of the Lady May? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes, I remember. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The witness was just | |\n| ·9· · · · explaining to the interpreter that she was | |\n| 10· · · · answering the question. | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·And do you recall learning what the | |\n| 13· ·outcome of that hearing was? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the entity Hong Kong | |\n| 16· ·International USA? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Yes, I'm familiar with it. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·That's an entity that was formed on | |\n| 19· ·April 17, 2020, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·It's 2020, but I don't remember the exact | |\n| 21· ·time. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Do you want to look at your declaration, | |\n| 23· ·paragraph 11, and tell me if it says April 17, 2020? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·Which paragraph? | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·It's paragraph 11, helps you refresh your | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 135 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·recollection. ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. ·4· · · · Q.· ·So from June 27, 2017, when Ms. Qu ·5· ·transferred you Hong Kong International and the ·6· ·Lady May, until April 17, 2020, Lady May was legally ·7· ·owned by Hong Kong International, correct? ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who formed Hong Kong International USA? 10· · · · A.· ·Myself. 11· · · · Q.· ·When did you do that? 12· · · · A.· ·I think it was early 2022.· I don't 13· ·remember the exact time. 14· · · · Q.· ·If I told you Hong Kong International USA 15· ·corporate documents indicate it was formed in 2018, 16· ·would that refresh your recollection about when it 17· ·was formed? 18· · · · A.· ·Can I see this document? 19· · · · Q.· ·Do you disagree? 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· She asked for her memory to 21· · · · be refreshed. 22· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· I have a point of 23· · · · clarification.· I believe Ms. Guo said it was 24· · · · from early 2020, but the interpreter said it 25· · · · was early 2022.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 136
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·I can't remember. |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I think I did say 2020. |\n| ·4· · · · Thank you. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you were not the sole shareholder |\n| ·7· ·of Hong Kong USA when it was formed either, were |\n| ·8· ·you? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I was. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·In fact, you became the sole shareholder |\n| 11· ·of Hong Kong USA in April 2019; isn't that the |\n| 12· ·facts? |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm just objecting.· If |\n| 14· · · · there's a document you want to show her -- |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, stop interrupting |\n| 16· · · · my examination.· I didn't ask her about a |\n| 17· · · · document.· If I want to show her one, I will. |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· She asked you for a document. |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· That's not how it works. |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I'll have to see the |\n| 21· ·document. |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·In fact, Ms. Guo, sitting here today you |\n| 24· ·don't know anything about -- you don't recall |\n| 25· ·anything about the formation of Hong Kong USA, |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 137
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Only misstates the testimony. | |\n| ·4· · · · Objection. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you know when Hong Kong USA was formed? | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Are you asking a different | |\n| ·8· · · · question? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, stop. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· There was a question pending. | |\n| 11· · · · I'm just looking for a clean record. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay, Mr. Vartan.· I'll | |\n| 13· · · · withdraw my question. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, please tell me the date Hong Kong | |\n| 16· ·USA was formed. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Let me think about it.· I really can't | |\n| 18· ·remember. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you remember if you were the | |\n| 20· ·sole shareholder when Hong Kong USA was formed? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I was. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·And if the corporate documents indicate | |\n| 23· ·otherwise, how would you explain that? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Your question now is regarding | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 139 of 211\n\n| Page 138
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·shareholder, right? |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·You becoming the sole shareholder of |\n| ·5· ·Hong Kong USA, correct. |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·So my understanding of that is 100 percent |\n| ·7· ·ownership of the company, correct. |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Just only person who holds the shares? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The person who holds the shares. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Let's just move on. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·Okay.· April 17, 2020, you changed the |\n| 12· ·Lady May from literally being owned by Hong Kong |\n| 13· ·International to Hong Kong International USA. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·What prompted you to make that change? |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I just thought that in the US, this |\n| 16· ·company would be easier to manage.· So I added |\n| 17· ·\"USA.\" |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·In fact, you did so because you were |\n| 19· ·advised by counsel to do so, right? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·You want to read your declaration, |\n| 22· ·paragraph 11?· \"I did so upon the advice of my |\n| 23· ·counsel.\" |\n| 24· · · · · · ·Do you see that? |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 140 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 139 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Who is that counsel? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·What prompted you to seek advice of | |\n| ·5· ·counsel with regard to this issue about the | |\n| ·6· ·registration and ownership of the Lady May? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I think that would just be a basic thing | |\n| ·8· ·you would do, doing business. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Why didn't you do it anytime in the | |\n| 10· ·three years prior to when you were in the | |\n| 11· ·United States and held the Lady May as its owner? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak to counsel directly yourself | |\n| 14· ·or did you speak to someone else who had spoken to | |\n| 15· ·counsel to get this advice? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if the counsel was from the | |\n| 18· ·law firm named Hodgson Russ? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever speak with Ms. Wang with | |\n| 21· ·regard to this transfer of ownership to Hong Kong | |\n| 22· ·International USA? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·By Ms. Wang, are you referring to Yvette? | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Yes. | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 141 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 140 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Today, other than the Lady May and the | |\n| ·3· ·\\$37 million that you took as a loan from Himalaya, | |\n| ·4· ·does Hong Kong International USA have any other | |\n| ·5· ·assets? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to form. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Hong Kong International USA has no bank | |\n| 10· ·accounts, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Correct. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·And before that, from the time you took | |\n| 13· ·control of Hong Kong International in 2017 until the | |\n| 14· ·Lady May was transferred to Hong Kong USA in 2020, | |\n| 15· ·Hong Kong International had no bank accounts, | |\n| 16· ·correct? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·That, I don't know. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Hong Kong International USA has no | |\n| 19· ·directors, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Mei Guo | |\n| 22· · · · Exhibit 4 a June 7, 2021, letter from | |\n| 23· · · · Lee Vartan to Edward Moss. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 4 was received and marked | |\n| 25· · · · for identification, as of this date.) | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 141
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, on June 7, 2021, Mr. Vartan was | |\n| ·4· ·your counsel, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you see in the second paragraph | |\n| ·7· ·Mr. Vartan states on behalf of Hong Kong | |\n| ·8· ·International: | |\n| ·9· · · · · · · · · \"Hong Kong International has no | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·directors, officers, or employees; has no | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·dedicated email servers or email suffixes; | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·does not file tax returns; and has no bank | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·account and it is not otherwise | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·capitalized.\" | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Do you see that sentence? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Was Mr. Vartan truthful and accurate when | |\n| 18· ·he made that statement to Mr. Moss? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Since Mr. Vartan's June 7, 2021, letter, | |\n| 23· ·is it still true that Hong Kong International has no | |\n| 24· ·directors, officers, or employees, has no dedicated | |\n| 25· ·email server or email suffix, does not file tax | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 143 of 211\n\n| Page 142
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·returns, and has no bank accounts and is not |\n| ·3· ·otherwise capitalized? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·You are referring to after this date; is |\n| ·5· ·that correct? |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking after Mr. Vartan sent this |\n| ·7· ·letter on June 7, 2021, is that statement still true |\n| ·8· ·about Hong Kong International from as of June 8, |\n| ·9· ·2021, up through the present? |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·For all the other information, I confirmed |\n| 11· ·that is true.· But as to whether there's still no |\n| 12· ·directors or officers, that I am not sure. |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you know of any directors or officers |\n| 14· ·of Hong Kong International USA today? |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·So today, at this moment, probably none. |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you think sometime between June 7, |\n| 17· ·2021, and today there may have been a time when |\n| 18· ·Hong Kong International USA had directors and |\n| 19· ·officers? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I'm not quite certain.· That's why I |\n| 21· ·pointed this out.· I'm not sure. |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Throughout this whole time period, you |\n| 23· ·have remained the sole member of Hong Kong |\n| 24· ·International USA? |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes, that's correct. |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 144 of 211\n\n| | Page 143 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Has Hong Kong International USA ever had | |\n| ·3· ·any board meetings? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Have there ever been any resolutions | |\n| ·6· ·passed with regard to Hong Kong International? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Are you familiar with the address | |\n| ·9· ·162 East 64th Street? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Yeah, it sounds like I've heard about this | |\n| 11· ·address. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever been there? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I really don't remember. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·What's the address of Hong Kong | |\n| 15· ·International USA? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·It's probably the address you just | |\n| 17· ·mentioned. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·When you say it's probably that address, | |\n| 19· ·is that because I just mentioned it or you recall | |\n| 20· ·that's the address? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I recall now. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Is there an office for Hong Kong | |\n| 23· ·International USA at that address? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that your father has | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 145 of 211\n\n| | Page 144 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| ·2· ·numerous businesses that he has listed at that | |\n| ·3· ·address? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Who pays the expenses of Hong Kong USA? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·My brother. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·In fact, those expenses have been paid by | |\n| 10· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about the specifics.· All I | |\n| 12· ·know is that it's paid by my brother. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Well, if we look at your affidavit at | |\n| 14· ·paragraph 12. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·Do you see that?· This is Exhibit 1. | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Paragraph 12? | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·You see when you're discussing the | |\n| 18· ·expenses of Lady May that they're all paid for by | |\n| 19· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·There's no mention of your brother in that | |\n| 22· ·paragraph paying the expenses, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·But the company is my brother's. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·So Golden Spring and Lamp Capital are your | |\n| 25· ·brother's companies? | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 146 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 145 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes.· My brother's family office. | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·What does your brother do to get the funds | |\n| | ·4· ·to Golden Spring and Lamp Capital? | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·In the complaint you filed in this action, | |\n| | ·7· ·you make multiple references to Hong Kong USA's | |\n| ·8· ·representatives. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·Who are you referring to when you say | |\n| | 10· ·Hong Kong USA's representatives were the ones who | |\n| | 11· ·directed Lady May's captain where to move? | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·The majority of the times, I was referring | |\n| 13· ·to Max. | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·And Max is Max Krasner? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| | 16· · · · Q.· ·Anyone else who is HK USA's representative | |\n| | 17· ·other than Max Krasner? | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·Yes.· But those others stayed for a very | |\n| | 19· ·short period of time, so I don't remember their | |\n| 20· ·names. | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·You also state in your complaint that you, | |\n| | 22· ·directly and through your representatives, are | |\n| | 23· ·solely responsible for directing Lady May's | |\n| | 24· ·operations and movements. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·Who are your representatives being | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 147 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 146 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·referenced in the complaint? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·So just like I just mentioned, for the | |\n| ·4· ·majority of the times it's Max. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Max Krasner? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Max Krasner. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you have Max Krasner's phone number? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Do you have his email address? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you know his home address? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·When you want to get in touch with | |\n| 14· ·Max Krasner, where would you call? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I use software to call him. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Software to what?· What software? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I change them very often.· There's no | |\n| 18· ·software that I use all the time. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Are you referring to a messaging app? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I can also use it for messaging. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Could you please share with me what | |\n| 22· ·address or number you would use through the | |\n| 23· ·messaging app to contact Max Krasner? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·I never use any software that is bundled | |\n| 25· ·with my phone number.· So I don't have the number. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 148 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 147 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·For whatever messaging software you use, | |\n| ·3· ·there has to be some piece of contact information | |\n| ·4· ·from Max Krasner. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·What is that contact information that | |\n| ·6· ·whatever software you're using employs to contact | |\n| ·7· ·Max Krasner? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Are you referring to all of the | |\n| 10· ·information throughout this whole time? | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·I'll start with any of the information. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· For which particular | |\n| 14· · · · question? | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just -- you don't have to read | |\n| 16· · · · it for him. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I was asking you. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You have a live stream.· You | |\n| 19· · · · can read it. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·In the early days, I used WhatsApp, | |\n| 21· ·Telegram, et cetera. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·And then and now, I don't have any.· It's | |\n| 23· ·been a long time since I last contacted him. | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Did you search for all of your | |\n| | |\n\nYVer1f\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 149 of 211\n\n| Page 148
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·communications on WhatsApp and Telegram that you had |\n| ·3· ·with Max Krasner in connection with this litigation? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·No, I didn't.· I change my mobile phone |\n| ·5· ·every month.· I will never keep this information. |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Regardless of changing your phone, the app |\n| ·7· ·stays the same, right? |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Only what you know. |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·It's not the same. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, we've requested those |\n| 12· · · · communications.· You failed to produce them. |\n| 13· · · · I'd ask that you please produce them. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·I'm going to hold the deposition open |\n| 15· · · · pending receipt of the information so I can ask |\n| 16· · · · questions about it. |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I think she said she doesn't |\n| 18· · · · have them.· We'll look again. |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, you understand how |\n| 20· · · · that works, that it is not tied to a specific |\n| 21· · · · phone, don't you? |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No. |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· You don't understand that? |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't understand the inner |\n| 25· · · · workings of WhatsApp, no. |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 150 of 211\n\nPage 149 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I don't think you need to ·3· · · · understand the inner workings of WhatsApp. ·4· · · · · · ·You have a phone, correct? ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Yes. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Do you know when you log in ·7· · · · that it's not dependent on that phone, that you ·8· · · · can just look what's on that app on any phone? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I had no idea. ^ 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay, Counsel.· You should 11· · · · speak to Mr. Romney, who is much more tech 12· · · · savvy, and he can help you with this. 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm not very tech savvy. 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· But I do know you know how to 15· · · · use a phone, Aaron. 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I do know how to use a phone, 17· · · · but I don't know anything about these apps. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you testified that Mr. Krasner no 20· ·longer is at Golden Spring. 21· · · · · · ·Has Mr. Krasner ever been an employee of 22· ·HK International? 23· · · · A.· ·No. 24· · · · Q.· ·When you needed to speak to someone at 25· ·Lamp Capital, who would you speak to?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 150 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·I will contact my brother. ·3· · · · Q.· ·So when you have just any questions about ·4· ·HK International's expenses or anything that needs ·5· ·to be done, you just call your brother directly? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Now that Max Krasner and Ms. Wang are no ·8· ·longer with Golden Spring, when you had to ask any ·9· ·questions on behalf of HK International, who were 10· ·HK International's representatives? 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· Confusing 12· · · · question. 13· · · · A.· ·Now there's no one.· When I have a 14· ·question, I just call my brother. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·So if you wanted to move the Lady May or 17· ·give permission for someone to go on -- strike the 18· ·first part. 19· · · · · · ·If you wanted to give permission for a 20· ·person to be a guest on the Lady May today, who 21· ·would you call? 22· · · · A.· ·At this moment, I don't have access to use 23· ·my boat.· So I don't need to call anybody. 24· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time there were any 25· ·guests on the Lady May?\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 152 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 151 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·That's when the boat was still in Europe, | |\n| ·3· ·before it returned to the US.· My brother used it. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time your father was on | |\n| ·5· ·the Lady May? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·So you mean getting onto the boat?
A | |\n| ·7· ·while ago, he went to take a look.· But for staying | |\n| ·8· ·on the boat, I think that was one or two years ago, | |\n| ·9· ·before the pandemic. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·When was the last time your father was | |\n| 11· ·physically on the Lady May? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I think it was not long ago.· I don't | |\n| 13· ·remember the exact time. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·It was in winter, anyway. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·This winter? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I think so. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Were you with him? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Who did you call, or did you call anyone, | |\n| 21· ·to give him permission to go onto the boat? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·He called me and asked me about it. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Your father called you and asked if he | |\n| 24· ·could go on the boat? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·That's right.· He said he was -- just | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 153 of 211\n\n| Page 152
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·happened to pass by the boat in Connecticut.· He saw |\n| ·3· ·the boat and wanted to go onto it to take a look. |\n| ·4· ·And he asked me if that's okay. |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·I said \"Go ahead.\" |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Did you communicate that your father was |\n| ·7· ·coming onto the boat to anyone? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No.· It wasn't like he was going anywhere. |\n| ·9· ·He just wanted to get onto the boat to take a look. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Was there a crew on the boat at the time? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you call the crew and tell them that |\n| 13· ·he was coming onto the boat? |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Who in the crew would you have called?· Do |\n| 16· ·you have any of their phone numbers? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The captain.· I have the captain's number. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Is there any evidence on your phone that |\n| 19· ·you called the captain to tell him that your father |\n| 20· ·was coming on the boat? |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·My answer is that I don't remember if I |\n| 23· ·called anyone about my dad coming onto the boat. |\n| 24· ·And it's not the captain.· I have not yet contacted |\n| 25· ·the captain. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 153 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does anyone manage the operations | |\n| ·4· ·of Hong Kong International for you? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Does Lamp Capital handle the management | |\n| ·7· ·and the operations of Hong Kong International for | |\n| ·8· ·you? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Exhibit 5 | |\n| 12· · · · a document Bates-stamped PN000107 through 117. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 5 was received and marked | |\n| 14· · · · for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Five? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Five. | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, this is a document titled | |\n| 19· ·\"Management and Operations Agreement.\"· It lists | |\n| 20· ·Hong Kong International Investment Funds USA as the | |\n| 21· ·company and Lamp Capital LLC as the service | |\n| 22· ·provider. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·Just one moment.· Which page is it on? | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·The first page, it's just at the top. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 155 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 154 |\n|-------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·Could you repeat his question just now? | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·I'm just -- we can move on.· I was just | |\n| | ·4· ·noting what it says on the top. | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·Okay.· I see it. | |\n| | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you see on page ending in | |\n| | ·7· ·Bates-stamp 113 there is a signature above | |\n| | ·8· ·\"Name: Mei Guo, Title: Member\"? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Is that your signature? | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·It looks like my signature. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·You see on the prior page is a signature | |\n| | 13· ·of a man named Daniel Podhaskie? | |\n| | 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·If you turn to the first page, it says: | |\n| | 16· · · · · · · · · \"Service provider shall provide | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·management and operational support | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·services to the company.\" | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall entering into this agreement | |\n| 21· ·with Lamp Capital? | | |\n| | 22· · · · A.· ·Can I ask which year this is from? | |\n| | 23· · · · Q.· ·It looks as though, by my reading, it says | |\n| | 24· ·it was signed on May 7, 2021.· That's on -- I'm | |\n| | 25· ·looking at Bates stamp 111. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 156 of 211\n\nPage 155 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Does that refresh your recollection? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes, I see it. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall entering into this ·5· ·transaction between Lamp Capital and Hong Kong ·6· ·International? ·7· · · · A.· ·I recall. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Prior to this agreement, was there a prior ·9· ·management agreement with Lamp Capital? 10· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 11· · · · Q.· ·Prior to this agreement was there a prior 12· ·management agreement with Golden Spring? 13· · · · A.· ·I don't recall either. 14· · · · Q.· ·Who negotiated this agreement on behalf of 15· ·Hong Kong International? 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall without -- sitting here 18· ·today, without rereading the document, do you recall 19· ·what any of the terms of this agreement are? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 21· · · · Q.· ·Is this agreement still in effect between 22· ·Lamp Capital and Hong Kong International with regard 23· ·to managing and operating Hong Kong International 24· ·and the Lady May? 25· · · · A.· ·Yes.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 156 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · Q.· ·At the hearing before Justice Ostrager you ·3· ·testified that the annual costs related to the ·4· ·Lady May were approximately 2 to \\$3 million. ·5· · · · · · ·Is that number still accurate? ·6· · · · A.· ·It is accurate, but I think perhaps this ·7· ·number was higher last year because we did a lot of ·8· ·maintenance. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Under this agreement, under point (d), it 10· ·says that Lamp Capital is responsible for 11· ·commencing, defending, control all legal actions, 12· ·arbitrations, investigations, and proceedings that 13· ·arise due to events occurring in connection with the 14· ·business of the company, which is Hong Kong 15· ·International, during the term of this agreement. 16· · · · · · ·Is Lamp Capital in control of this legal 17· ·action that you've brought? 18· · · · A.· ·Just one moment.· Where should I look at 19· ·(d)? 20· · · · Q.· ·Under 2(d).· Under Management Services, 21· ·(d). 22· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand what this 23· ·question means. 24· · · · Q.· ·I'll say it again. 25· · · · · · ·Under the terms of this agreement, it says\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 158 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo
·2· ·that Lamp Capital will control all legal actions
·3· ·relating to the business of Hong Kong International.
·4· · · · · · ·My question is:· Does Lamp Capital control | Page 157 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | ·5· ·this litigation that you have brought --
·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.
·7· ·BY MR. LUFT:
·8· · · · Q.· ·-- on behalf of Hong Kong International?
·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.
10· · · · A.· ·I'm sorry.· I'm not an attorney, so I
11· ·don't know how to answer your question.· I don't
12· ·quite understand.
13· ·BY MR. LUFT:
14· · · · Q.· ·Who pays the legal fees in connection with
15· ·this litigation?
16· · · · A.· ·So like what we're doing today?
17· · · · Q.· ·Like everything, about filing the
18· ·complaint, writing your pleadings, being here today,
19· ·everything in connection with this litigation that
20· ·you've brought.· Who pays the legal fees?
21· · · · A.· ·So I pay my counsel by myself.· And then
22· ·for some expenses, they are paid by my brother.
23· · · · Q.· ·Which are the expenses that are paid by
24· ·your brother?
25· · · · A.· ·I want to make the correction that what |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 159 of 211\n\n| Page 158
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·I'm saying is I pay Lee by myself.· But for other |\n| ·3· ·attorneys, like when the expenses are higher from |\n| ·4· ·other law firms, those would be paid by my brother. |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Who pays the Zeisler firm that Mr. Romney |\n| ·6· ·is at? |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I paid some and my brother paid some for |\n| ·8· ·me. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who pays Mr. Mitchell? |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you pay Mr. Mitchell for the legal |\n| 12· ·services he provides to you? |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·So you're asking if I would pay by myself? |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking you, yes.· You pay for |\n| 15· ·Mr. Mitchell on behalf of his representation of you |\n| 16· ·and Hong Kong International? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I don't recall when would be the last time |\n| 18· ·I paid him, but, of course, I've paid him. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·When you say your brother pays for your |\n| 20· ·legal fees, does he pay them directly from his own |\n| 21· ·bank account or does he pay through Lamp Capital? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I don't know.· I would just forward my |\n| 23· ·invoices to him.· And as to what he does with them, |\n| 24· ·I don't know. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'd ask for a break when you |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 160 of 211\n\nPage 159 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · get to a stopping point.· We've been going for ·3· · · · about an hour and a half. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure. ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·6· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall what compensation you paid ·7· ·Lamp Capital in exchange for their management ·8· ·services? ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you ever use the Lady May -- is the 11· ·Lady May ever rented out for charter services? 12· · · · A.· ·Never. 13· · · · Q.· ·Would you ever consider such a thing? 14· · · · A.· ·Never. 15· · · · Q.· ·Do you know why, under the terms of this 16· ·agreement with Lamp Capital, you agreed to pay them 17· ·the money from charter services for the Lady May? 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Misstates the contract. 19· · · · A.· ·Where is it?· Can I take a look? 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: 21· · · · Q.· ·Sure.· Under 7, \"Compensation\": 22· · · · · · · · · \"Additionally, service provider\" -- 23· · · · · · ·Lamp Capital -- \"shall be paid directly 24· · · · · · ·for any and all charter services revenue 25· · · · · · ·generated by Lady May and/or Lady May II.\"\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 161 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 160 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·My understanding of this is that it would | |\n| ·3· ·have to be approved by me. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you're saying you would never | |\n| ·5· ·approve it? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Right.· I will never rent my boat out. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·When this agreement was being entered into | |\n| ·8· ·and that was the compensation being offered for the | |\n| ·9· ·management services, was Lamp Capital informed that | |\n| 10· ·they would never receive any revenue under this | |\n| 11· ·provision? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· That would be a | |\n| 14· ·conversation between the attorneys.· I don't know. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·If you look under 3, \"Obligations of the | |\n| 17· ·Company,\" (b), which is on the second page? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·(Witness complies.) | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Second page. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Do you see the first line of it says \"The | |\n| 21· ·Company\" -- and that refers to Hong Kong | |\n| 22· ·International, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·-- \"will promptly provide all requested | |\n| 25· ·documentation relating to its ownership.\" | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 162 of 211\n\nPage 161 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·Do you see that? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· ·And the ownership of Hong Kong ·5· ·International is you; is that correct? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· ·And then it says \"and ultimate beneficial ·8· ·owners.\" ·9· · · · · · ·Do you see that? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·Who are the ultimate -- if the company is 12· ·Hong Kong International and the ownership is you, 13· ·who is being referenced by \"ultimate beneficial 14· ·owners\"? 15· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 16· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· You can put this aside 18· · · · for a moment. 19· · · · · · ·Counsel asked for a break, so why don't we 20· · · · do that. 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure.· Thank you. 22· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 4:51 p.m.· We're 23· · · · going off the record. 24· · · · · · ·(Recess.) 25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It's 5:17 p.m.· We are\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 163 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 162 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · back on the record. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I want to ask you a few questions | |\n| ·5· ·about the Lady May, if I may. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·When the Lady May has set sail for the | |\n| ·8· ·south in the winter, do you ever use it? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes, sometimes in Florida. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Does your father ever use it when it's in | |\n| 11· ·Florida? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·How often does he use it in Florida? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·When the Lady May went south in 2020, did | |\n| 16· ·you use the boat when it was in Florida? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·Let me think about it.· I don't remember. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Prior to going south in 2020, was the | |\n| 19· ·Lady May kept in Florida during the winter? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I just want to double-check. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·So it's about where the boat was in the | |\n| 23· ·winter of 2020, right? | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Before -- the winter of 2020 I'll ask | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 164 of 211\n\n| Page 163
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·about in a minute.· Prior to that, in prior winters. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·What about in prior winters? |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Was it kept in Florida during the winter? |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Can I just clarify?· Are we |\n| ·6· · · · talking about winter '20 into '21, or '19 into |\n| ·7· · · · '20? |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· Like I said, prior to |\n| ·9· · · · 2020. |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You said winter 2020. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Prior to that time. |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm not trying to be |\n| 13· · · · confusing. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I know you're not.· You're just |\n| 15· · · · being interrupting. |\n| 16· · · · · · ·It's prior to the winter of 2020.· Which |\n| 17· · · · winter would that be? |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Asking '19 to '20 or '20 to |\n| 19· · · · '21? |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Oh, my God. |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you understand that -- why don't |\n| 23· ·we just make this simple so there's no issue. |\n| 24· · · · · · ·In late fall 2020, for the winter, for the |\n| 25· ·upcoming winter, the Lady May sailed south, correct? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 164 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· In the winters prior to that | |\n| ·4· ·winter, where was the Lady May kept? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know about during the winters | |\n| ·6· ·before 2017.· But for 2017, '18, and '19, it would | |\n| ·7· ·be in Florida during the fall.· And when it's | |\n| ·8· ·colder, it would go to the Bahamas. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· In the fall of 2020, someone from | |\n| 10· ·Golden Spring contacted you to let you know that it | |\n| 11· ·was time to move the boat south, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Who was that person at Golden Spring? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·And after that call, Golden Spring | |\n| 16· ·contacted the captain and told him to move the boat | |\n| 17· ·south, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·And then it was in the captain's | |\n| 20· ·discretion what day to actually set sail, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·Yes, so depending on the weather. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·So when you state that you are solely | |\n| 23· ·responsible for directing the Lady May's movements, | |\n| 24· ·I want to be clear. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·During the summer, when the boat is in the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 166 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 165 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·northeast and your father is on board and you are | |\n| ·3· ·not, he gets to dictate where the boat goes, | |\n| ·4· ·correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·So specifically do you mean that when my | |\n| ·6· ·dad is on board, can he control the boat? | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·I mean when your dad is on board and you | |\n| ·8· ·are not, he gets to decide where the boat goes, | |\n| ·9· ·correct, in the northeast? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The northeast refers to New York, right? | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·New York, Nantucket, Bar Harbor, the same | |\n| 12· ·places we talked about this morning when the Court | |\n| 13· ·asked Captain Heaslop those questions. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Generally he would tell me about it first. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·And in the south, when you're not on the | |\n| 16· ·boat, which is -- that's the majority of the time in | |\n| 17· ·the winter, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·\"The south\" refers to Florida? | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Florida, the Bahamas. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·When it's in Florida, I am there most of | |\n| 23· ·the time.· When it's in the Bahamas, I'm not there | |\n| 24· ·because I can't leave the country. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So when the Lady May is docked in | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 167 of 211\n\n| | Page 166 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| ·2· ·Florida, that's where you're residing most of the | |\n| ·3· ·time? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you mentioned that on May 28, | |\n| ·6· ·2021, you had a number of NDAs executed, correct, | |\n| ·7· ·with the crew, the current crew of the boat? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· You may just want | |\n| ·9· · · · to explain what an NDA is. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·You can answer, Ms. Guo. | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I have an NDA with every single one of my | |\n| 13· ·crew. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Have you produced all of those documents? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any NDAs with any crew member | |\n| 17· ·prior to May 28, 2021? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I think so. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·I'll represent to you that your counsel | |\n| 20· ·has not produced any such documents. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Do you know if any such NDAs exist and, if | |\n| 22· ·so, where? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·You could ask my management company. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Who is that? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yachtzoo. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 168 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 167 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·Oh, sorry.· It's not just this one | |\n| ·3· ·management company.· There are many. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·What are the other management companies | |\n| ·5· ·for the yacht? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·There's been Moran, M-O-R-A-N, Yachtzoo, | |\n| ·7· ·and Bergers.· And in between, we switched back to | |\n| ·8· ·Yachtzoo.· I think there are three of them. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And Hong Kong International doesn't keep | |\n| 10· ·copies of any of those agreements other than the | |\n| 11· ·ones from May 28, 2021? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Do you have a copy of the NDA the current | |\n| 16· ·captain signed, an NDA agreement? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·I think I do. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Counsel, again, no such | |\n| 19· · · · document has been produced to us.· We'd ask | |\n| 20· · · · that it be produced if it exists. | |\n| 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·How about Mr. -- Captain Ivanov?· We've | |\n| 23· ·received no copy of any NDA agreement with him. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·Did you ever sign an agreement with him? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·I just wanted to double-check.· The first | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 169 of 211\n\n| Page 168
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·name of this captain is Lloyd; is that correct? | |\n| ·3· ·Because I never remember their family names. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Not based on what he testified to at | |\n| ·5· ·court. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Is it Momchil? | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Momchil Ivanov. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·You also produced a staffing agreement | |\n| 10· ·with Phoenix Crew Ltd. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·Do you recall that? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Other than the May 28, 2021, NDAs with | |\n| 14· ·that current crew and the September 1, 2021, | |\n| 15· ·staffing agreement with Phoenix Crew Ltd., and the | |\n| 16· ·agreement between Hong Kong International and | |\n| 17· ·Lamp Capital, we received no other documents bearing | |\n| 18· ·your signature on behalf of Hong Kong International. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·Are you aware if any other such document | |\n| 20· ·exists? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·And to be clear, other than the NDAs with | |\n| 25· ·the crew as of May 28, 2021, the Phoenix Crew Ltd. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 170 of 211\n\n| Page 169
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|---------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·document, and the agreement between Hong Kong |\n| ·3· ·International and Lamp Capital, which we looked at |\n| ·4· ·as Exhibit 4, are you aware of any document that you |\n| ·5· ·executed on behalf of Hong Kong International? |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure. |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Do you recall when the Lady May |\n| 10· ·sailed south in 2020? |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·October. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall when in October? |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any better recollection than |\n| 15· ·sometime in October? |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Exhibit 6, |\n| 18· · · · Mei Guo Deposition Exhibit 6, a copy of |\n| 19· · · · Justice Ostrager's Decision and Order from |\n| 20· · · · October 15, 2020. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 6 was received and marked for |\n| 22· ·identification, as of this date.) |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, while we wait on that, how long |\n| 25· ·does it take to sail the Lady May from New York to |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 170 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·Florida? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·It entirely depends on the weather. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Approximately? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·As I remember, there was once when the | |\n| ·6· ·weather conditions were really poor, and it took | |\n| ·7· ·them maybe two weeks. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·And if the conditions are good? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·That, I don't know. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Do you recognize this document, Ms. Guo? | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Just one moment.· I'll take a look. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·I don't recall. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall either seeing this order or | |\n| 14· ·being told by counsel that Justice Ostrager had | |\n| 15· ·ordered that Mr. Kwok and/or the registered owners | |\n| 16· ·of the residence at the Sherry-Netherland and the | |\n| 17· ·yacht the Lady May are restrained from making or | |\n| 18· ·closing any sale, assignment, transfer, or | |\n| 19· ·interference with those assets? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't recall ever seeing this document. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Hong Kong International was the | |\n| 22· ·registered owner of the Lady May on October 15, | |\n| 23· ·2020, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·You are referring to Hong Kong | |\n| 25· ·International USA, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 172 of 211\n\n| | Page 171 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Yes, ma'am. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Did your counsel tell you that as of | |\n| ·5· ·October 15, 2020, there was a restraining order | |\n| ·6· ·applying to you with regard to the Lady May and any | |\n| ·7· ·interference with the asset? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection.· We haven't | |\n| ·9· · · · established it, Counsel. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· In fact, I have. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No, you haven't.· And I'm | |\n| 12· · · · talking about October 15, 2020. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And we've established that | |\n| 14· · · · Mr. Mitchell was her counsel at that time, | |\n| 15· · · · correct? | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· No, you didn't. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Oh, my God. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You can ask her. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I've asked her.· It's in the | |\n| 20· · · · record. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Mr. Vartan, once again, you're amazing in | |\n| 22· · · · your creativity of how to waste time. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, Mr. Mitchell was your counsel in | |\n| 25· ·October of 2020, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | | Page 172 | |\n|--------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | | |\n| | ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't remember.· I can't remember those | | |\n| ·3· ·clearly. | | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you believe you had no counsel at that | | |\n| ·5· ·time? | | | |\n| | ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did your father or anyone else involved in | | |\n| | ·8· ·that litigation inform you that you are subject to a | | |\n| | ·9· ·Court order impacting your use of the Lady May? | | |\n| | 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. | | | |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to mark as Mei Guo | | |\n| | 13· · · · Exhibit 7 another Decision and Order from | | |\n| | 14· · · · Justice Ostrager, this one dated March 16, | | |\n| 15· · · · 2021. | | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 7 was received and marked for | | |\n| | 17· ·identification, as of this date.) | | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, on or after March 17, 2021, do | | |\n| | 20· ·you recall, were you informed that there was a | | |\n| | 21· ·contempt order stating that for every day the yacht | | |\n| | 22· ·is outside the jurisdiction of this Court after | | |\n| | 23· ·May 15, 2021, Defendant Kwok will be fined \\$500,000? | | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·I know about that. | | |\n| | 25· · · · Q.· ·And you knew about -- when did you learn | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 174 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 173 | |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· ·of that? | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·And did you learn about the next line | | |\n| | ·5· ·where the Court also ordered that the other | | |\n| | ·6· ·restraints related to the ownership and control of | | |\n| | ·7· ·the yacht remain in place? | | |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·In your affidavit you said you were made | | |\n| | 10· ·aware of the Court's order by your counsel, correct? | | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Who was that counsel? | | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Lee. | | | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Vartan. | | |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·You go on to say: | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · · · · \"I did not want the boat to travel to | | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·New York, and, after consulting with | | |\n| | 18· · · · · · ·counsel, directed instead that it proceed | | |\n| | 19· · · · · · ·to Europe as had been long planned at | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·significant expense.\" | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·Who is the counsel you consulted with with | | |\n| | 22· ·regard to directing the boat to proceed to Europe? | | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Lee. | | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·You're referring to Mr. Vartan again, who | | |\n| | 25· ·is the counsel that directed -- gave you the advice | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 175 of 211\n\n| Page 174
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·with regard to proceeding to Europe despite being |\n| ·3· ·aware of the Court's order to return the boat to |\n| ·4· ·New York? |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·At that time he was my counsel. |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Is he the counsel who gave you the advice? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·So to be clear, you were aware that if the |\n| 11· ·Lady May was not returned to New York by May 15, |\n| 12· ·2021, your father would incur fines of \\$500,000 a |\n| 13· ·day, but in response you consulted with counsel and |\n| 14· ·instead directed the Lady May to proceed to Europe; |\n| 15· ·is that correct? |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall when the Lady May's repairs |\n| 18· ·in the winter -- the winter months, January, |\n| 19· ·February, March, whenever they may have been -- of |\n| 20· ·2021 were completed? |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·I don't recall the details. |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·What's your best recollection of when |\n| 23· ·those repairs were completed? |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·2021.· I really don't remember. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·But as you state in 15, it was after those |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 176 of 211\n\n| Page 175
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| ·2· ·repairs were completed that your brother asked if he | |\n| ·3· ·could use the Lady May in Europe, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Looking at Guo 1, | |\n| ·5· · · · paragraph 15? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just asking her. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You said 15.· Again, I want | |\n| ·8· · · · her to be aware of where you're reading from. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay, Mr. Vartan. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead, Ms. Guo. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Look at Guo 1, paragraph 15. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Just one moment. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· It's your affidavit. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·We are just once again wasting time on the | |\n| 16· · · · record because your counsel wants to show you | |\n| 17· · · · documents. | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I would just refer you to | |\n| 19· · · · your question.· You said -- | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Vartan, I was helping her | |\n| 21· · · · to give her a placing. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· But as you stated -- | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· This is her testimony. | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Right, but you said \"as you | |\n| 25· · · · stated in 15,\" so it would only be fair that | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 177 of 211\n\n| Page 176
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · she have access to the document. |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, you told me Mr. Vartan drafted |\n| ·5· ·your affidavit.· He seems very concerned that you're |\n| ·6· ·not familiar with the facts in it. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Did you review this affidavit before you |\n| ·8· ·signed it? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You don't have to answer |\n| 10· · · · that. |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Yes, you do. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Yes, of course I reviewed it.· It's just |\n| 14· ·that my counsel knows that I have a bad memory. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Now that you have it in front of you, do |\n| 16· ·you recall that you gave a sworn statement that: |\n| 17· · · · · · · · · \"The Lady May underwent needed |\n| 18· · · · · · ·inspections and maintenance, and when |\n| 19· · · · · · ·completed my brother, who resides in |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Europe, asked if he could have access to |\n| 21· · · · · · ·the yacht\"? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Yes, correct. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·As we discussed, you are aware that the |\n| 24· ·hearing transcript that we have been looking at from |\n| 25· ·February 2, 2022, was based on the direction from |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 178 of 211\n\n| | Page 177 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| ·2· ·the appellate division to conduct an evidentiary | |\n| ·3· ·hearing to resolve the dispute as to ownership and | |\n| ·4· ·control of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·I am aware. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·You've said that you take the Lady May to | |\n| ·9· ·Florida and the Bahamas in the winter, correct? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you ever take it to the Cayman Islands | |\n| 12· ·for repairs or registration? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Where is the Cayman Islands? | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Do you ever take it to the British Virgin | |\n| 15· ·Islands for repairs or registration? | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·Where are those islands? | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever make any communications with | |\n| 18· ·anyone at BakerHostetler in connection with the PAX | |\n| 19· ·litigation against your father? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, why did you consent to allow the | |\n| 22· ·Lady May to return to the United States from Europe? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Because if the boat was still not | |\n| 24· ·returning, it seemed like my dad would have a threat | |\n| 25· ·to his life.· And it seems like the boat was used as | |\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 179 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 178 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·a tool to keep my dad's security. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever think to do it sooner than | |\n| ·4· ·before he had incurred \\$130 million in fines? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection, argumentative. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Well, I'm just asking. | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that the Lady May was | |\n| 10· ·offered to be distributed or to be sold and its | |\n| 11· ·value distributed to creditors of your father's | |\n| 12· ·estate as part of a plan he proposed to the | |\n| 13· ·bankruptcy court? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I've heard about it from my counsel. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Were you consulted prior to the Lady May | |\n| 16· ·being offered up to pay for your father's creditors? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·What do you remember -- or, sorry, what do | |\n| 18· ·you mean?· Could you ask that again? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Prior to the Lady May being included in | |\n| 20· ·your father's proposed bankruptcy plan as an asset | |\n| 21· ·whose value could be distributed to the creditors, | |\n| 22· ·did anyone consult with you to see if you agreed | |\n| 23· ·that you would hand over the Lady May and allow it | |\n| 24· ·to be used to pay off your father's creditors? | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 180 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 179 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Who spoke to you about it? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·My counsel. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Who was that? | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I can't remember that clearly. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·This would have just been this past | |\n| ·7· ·spring.· Who was your counsel in connection with | |\n| ·8· ·your father's bankruptcy this past spring? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I really can't remember. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Vartan was not your bankruptcy | |\n| 11· ·counsel, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·He's my counsel. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·But he wasn't your counsel for bankruptcy | |\n| 14· ·purposes in April of 2022, correct? | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·That's correct.· He wasn't. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall who was your counsel that | |\n| 17· ·spoke to you about the possibility of including the | |\n| 18· ·Lady May as an asset for your father to distribute | |\n| 19· ·to his creditors? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Did your father ever speak to you about | |\n| 22· ·using the Lady May to pay off his creditors? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Did your mother ever speak to you about | |\n| 25· ·using the Lady May to pay off your father's | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| Page 180
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·creditors? |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Did anyone ever -- from the firm of |\n| ·5· ·Brown Rudnick ever speak to you with regard to using |\n| ·6· ·the Lady May to pay off Mr. Kwok's creditors? |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Could you repeat the name of the firm? |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Brown Rudnick. |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Would you allow the Lady May to be used |\n| 11· ·today to pay off your father's creditors as part of |\n| 12· ·the plan? |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·What would be the difference between today |\n| 15· ·and when I gave consent previously?· I don't quite |\n| 16· ·understand your question. |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·It's not meant to be a riddle, Ms. Guo. |\n| 19· ·I'm asking you because I have to ask in stages.
I |\n| 20· ·asked then. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·So I'm asking you today, would you consent |\n| 22· ·to the Lady May being used as an asset to pay off |\n| 23· ·your father's creditors as part of a plan, a |\n| 24· ·Chapter 11 plan? |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 182 of 211\n\nPage 181 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·For my dad's security, I do agree. ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I think I asked you earlier if ·5· ·you ever attended any of the bankruptcy court ·6· ·hearings. ·7· · · · · · ·Do you recall that? ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And I believe you told me you have not 10· ·attended any of those hearings, correct? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·And does that include -- and when I say 13· ·that, I mean both virtual hearings and in-person 14· ·hearings? 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·So did you ever -- have you ever listened 17· ·in to any of the bankruptcy court hearings in your 18· ·father's bankruptcy court case? 19· · · · A.· ·No. 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we take a short 21· · · · break. 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure. 23· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 6:06 p.m.· We're 24· · · · going off the record. 25· · · · · · ·(Recess.)\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 183 of 211\n\n| Page 182
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Time is 6:28 p.m.· We |\n| ·3· · · · are back on the record. |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, I want to ask you about -- we |\n| ·6· ·talked about the boat returning to the |\n| ·7· ·United States. |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·I want to now ask you about -- there was a |\n| ·9· ·hearing in the bankruptcy court on April 13 in which |\n| 10· ·an issue with regard to posting a bond equal to the |\n| 11· ·value of the boat, approximately \\$37 million, came |\n| 12· ·up. |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Are you familiar with that hearing? |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·When did you first hear about the |\n| 16· ·possibility of Hong Kong International having to |\n| 17· ·post the bond? |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·That would be on that same day. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·How did you hear about it? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I received a phone call from my counsel. |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Who was that counsel? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Aaron Mitchell. |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron Mitchell?· Is that what |\n| 24· · · · she said? |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Aaron Mitchell. |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 183 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·You spoke to Mr. Mitchell about this ·4· ·issue? ·5· · · · A.· ·What issues are you referring to, going to ·6· ·the Court?· No, I mean about that hearing? ·7· · · · Q.· ·Let me take a step back. ·8· · · · · · ·At the time Mr. Mitchell was your counsel ·9· ·and he was also your father's counsel, correct? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·+ What did Mr. Mitchell tell you on that 12· ·phone call? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· And I would just caution, now 14· · · · this is getting into conversations that you're 15· · · · having with your attorney. 16· · · · · · ·So I'm assuming you're not looking for 17· · · · privileged information. 18· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No, I am, because that 19· · · · privilege has been waived.· It's owned by the 20· · · · trustee, and the Court has ruled that any joint 21· · · · defense communications and common interest 22· · · · communications between Mr. Kwok's counsel and 23· · · · anyone else's are -- belongs to the trustee. 24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· He was acting in her -- in 25· · · · the capacity as her counsel.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 185 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 184 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · MR. LUFT:· And Mr. Kwok's counsel. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· I've been very quiet | |\n| ·4· ·throughout this deposition, but I was involved | |\n| ·5· ·in that process. | |\n| ·6· · · · That was a communication between | |\n| ·7· ·Aaron Mitchell in his capacity as Mei and HK's | |\n| ·8· ·counsel.· The debtor was not present for that | |\n| ·9· ·communication. | |\n| 10· · · · We are instructing the witness not to | |\n| 11· ·divulge those communications. | |\n| 12· · · · MR. LUFT:· I don't understand the | |\n| 13· ·objection.· It doesn't matter if Mr. Kwok is | |\n| 14· ·present when they're happening. | |\n| 15· · · · Mr. Mitchell is at a hearing at which he | |\n| 16· ·is serving as counsel for both Mr. Kwok -- in | |\n| 17· ·fact, he was -- and I guess also Ms. Guo.· She | |\n| 18· ·had other counsel who was her exclusive | |\n| 19· ·counsel.· The counsel that she shares with her | |\n| 20· ·father spoke to her. | |\n| 21· · · · The court order is very clear that any | |\n| 22· ·common interest and joint defense | |\n| 23· ·communications with the defendant are -- belong | |\n| 24· ·to the trustee, and the trustee is entitled to | |\n| 25· ·know it.· So I don't see any basis for which | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 186 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 185 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·you guys to object for privilege. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· That's not a common interest | |\n| ·4· ·privileged communication.· It's an | |\n| ·5· ·attorney-client privileged communication. | |\n| ·6· ·You're free to make that argument to a judge. | |\n| ·7· ·We will make our argument to a judge, and the | |\n| ·8· ·judge will rule. | |\n| ·9· · · · MR. LUFT:· Okay.· All common interest and | |\n| 10· ·joint defense communications are | |\n| 11· ·attorney-client communications.· You have to | |\n| 12· ·have an attorney-client communication for it to | |\n| 13· ·be joint defense and common interest. | |\n| 14· · · · If you'd like, we can go off the record | |\n| 15· ·and you could speak to Mr. Mitchell, but I | |\n| 16· ·don't understand how you're telling me that | |\n| 17· ·while he's representing Mr. Kwok and speaking | |\n| 18· ·about an issue relating to him, he is | |\n| 19· ·somehow -- the part of his brain he was | |\n| 20· ·speaking with was not joint. | |\n| 21· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· That is not the law.
A | |\n| 22· ·lawyer who represents two clients is not | |\n| 23· ·engaging in a joint interest privileged | |\n| 24· ·communication when they're speaking with either | |\n| 25· ·one of their clients individually. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 187 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 186 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· · · · MR. LUFT:· About an issue impacting both | |\n| ·3· ·of them. | |\n| ·4· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· We respectfully disagree with | |\n| ·5· ·your view on it, and a Court will address it if | |\n| ·6· ·that's what needs to happen. | |\n| ·7· · · · MR. LUFT:· Are you directing her not to | |\n| ·8· ·answer? | |\n| ·9· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Yes.· You said you're asking | |\n| 10· ·for privileged communications. | |\n| 11· · · · MR. LUFT:· I'm asking about her | |\n| 12· ·communications with Mr. Mitchell.· Mr. Pin^ now | |\n| 13· ·owns that privilege. | |\n| 14· · · · MR. VARTAN:· He does not own her | |\n| 15· ·privilege.· She's not the debtor. | |\n| 16· · · · MR. LUFT:· Are you aware of what the | |\n| 17· ·privilege order says in this case? | |\n| 18· · · · MR. VARTAN:· I'm not. | |\n| 19· · · · MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 20· · · · MR. VARTAN:· She's not the debtor. | |\n| 21· · · · MR. LUFT:· Maybe you and I should not be | |\n| 22· ·talking about this. | |\n| 23· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· That's why I spoke for the | |\n| 24· ·first time on the record today.· Because I'm | |\n| 25· ·the human being who negotiated that order on | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 188 of 211\n\nPage 187 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · behalf of the debtor.· And I'm very familiar ·3· · · · with it. ·4· · · · · · ·And I agree with your characterization of ·5· · · · the order.· I disagree with your ·6· · · · characterization of the communication as a ·7· · · · joint interest privileged communication. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· I'm just asking. ·9· · · · · · ·So you're instructing her not to answer? 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Correct. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Are you going to follow your counsel's 13· ·instruction? 14· · · · A.· ·That's right. 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· We're going reserve the 16· · · · right to reopen the deposition or keep the 17· · · · deposition open as to that issue. 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Sure. 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did Mr. Mitchell have any 21· ·communications with you -- 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, am I correct that I'm not 23· · · · allowed to ask her about anything Mr. Mitchell 24· · · · discussed with her despite him also being 25· · · · Mr. Kwok's counsel and acting as Mr. Kwok's\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 189 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 188 |\n|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · counsel at that hearing? | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· That's correct. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·After you spoke to Mr. Mitchell, what did | |\n| ·6· ·you do? | | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·I made a call. | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Who did you call? | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·The first call? | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Yes.· Start with the first one. | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·Uncle William. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·Who is Uncle William? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·He's a family friend we've known for many, | |\n| | 14· ·many years.· I call him \"Uncle.\" | |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·And does Uncle William have a last name? | |\n| | 16· · · · A.· ·In Chinese it's Yu, Y-U. | |\n| | 17· · · · Q.· ·And in English, is it pronounced | |\n| 18· ·William \"Je\"? | | |\n| | 19· · · · A.· ·I think so. | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·And what did you say to Uncle William? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I told him about the conditions at that | |\n| | 22· ·time, and I said I needed to borrow some money, | |\n| | 23· ·otherwise my dad would face safety risks. | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·What did you tell him were the conditions | |\n| 25· ·at the time? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 190 of 211\n\nPage 189 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·Before the boat returned, I needed to ·3· ·borrow money that would be \\$37 million.· And once ·4· ·the boat returned, the money would be paid back. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Did you tell him anything else? ·6· · · · · · ·I'm going to ask you, in as much detail as ·7· ·possible, try to recall everything you said to ·8· ·Mr. Je on that phone call and everything he said to ·9· ·you. 10· · · · A.· ·That day, I made this call while feeling 11· ·extremely frightened.· I can't recall many details. 12· ·This is just the information that I recall now. 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall anything else about your 14· ·phone call with William Je? 15· · · · A.· ·I recall that he said yes to me. 16· · · · Q.· ·Yes, that he would lend you \\$37 million? 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· · · · Q.· ·Did he say anything else? 19· · · · A.· ·He confirmed twice to make sure that the 20· ·money would just be there temporarily, as like in a 21· ·bridging fund.· I said yes.· So he agreed very 22· ·quickly. 23· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall anything else, any other 24· ·terms or details included in the phone call? 25· · · · A.· ·No.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 191 of 211\n\n| Page 190
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall having any discussion |\n| ·3· ·with -- regarding whether the money would have to be |\n| ·4· ·used to pay for repairs to the boat? |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·I was in great panic that day.· So no. |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·No, you don't recall, or no, you didn't |\n| ·7· ·discuss the fact that the money would have to be |\n| ·8· ·used to pay for repairs to the Lady May? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·On that phone call, no. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Again, what is the \"no\" referring to?· No, |\n| 11· ·you don't recall if you said it, or no, you did not |\n| 12· ·discuss the repairs? |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·I did not discuss the repairs. |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Did you discuss if there would be interest |\n| 15· ·charged for this loan? |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Was there anyone on the phone with you |\n| 18· ·other than you and Uncle William? |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Did you have Mr. Je's number readily |\n| 21· ·available? |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·No. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·How did you get Mr. Je's phone number? |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·I always had his number. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak to anyone other than Mr. Je |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 192 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 191 | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· ·about getting the loan? | | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·No. | | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·After you got off -- how long was your | | |\n| ·5· ·phone call with Mr. Je? | | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·Probably only five or six minutes. | | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Is there anything else you recall about | | |\n| ·8· ·that phone call that you have not told me yet? | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·After you got off the phone with Mr. Je, | | |\n| 11· ·what did you do next? | | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·I had a drink. | | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·After you finished your drink. | | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·Let me ask:· Where were you that you had a | | |\n| 15· ·drink?· That sounds great.· You have one now. | | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·It was at my own home. | | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·So you were home when you got the phone | | |\n| 18· ·call? | | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·CHECK INTERPRETER:· Did you say \"make\" the | | |\n| 20· · · · phone call or \"got\" the phone call? | | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I said made the phone call, | | |\n| 22· · · · but -- made the phone call. | | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·And after you finished your drink, what | | |\n| 25· ·did you do? | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 193 of 211\n\nPage 192 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · A.· ·I don't recall.· I was really anxious ·3· ·throughout that whole day. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall anything else that you did ·5· ·that day after you spoke with Mr. Je on that first ·6· ·phone call? ·7· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you called back ·9· ·Mr. Mitchell and told him you got the loan? 10· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you spoke to anyone to 12· ·tell them that you got the loan? 13· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. 14· · · · Q.· ·Do you know how anyone else would know -- 15· ·would anyone other than you and Mr. Je know that you 16· ·got the loan? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did you speak to anyone on this 21· ·topic on April 13 other than that one phone call 22· ·with Mr. Je and the initial phone call from 23· ·Mr. Mitchell before you spoke to Mr. Je? 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. 25· · · · Q.· ·Do you remember the next time you spoke to\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 194 of 211\n\n| Page 193
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·anyone with regard to this topic? |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall having any conversations |\n| ·5· ·with anyone other than Mr. Je in that phone call |\n| ·6· ·we've discussed and the initial phone call you had |\n| ·7· ·with Mr. Mitchell leading up to your phone call with |\n| ·8· ·Mr. Je with regard to the topic of the \\$37 million |\n| ·9· ·loan and its terms? |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Other than her attorneys? |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· My question does not |\n| 12· · · · include your question. |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·You can answer. |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·I don't remember the exact time, but I did |\n| 16· ·speak with my counsel. |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·When did you speak with your counsel? |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Who did you speak with? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·I think it might have been the counsel |\n| 21· ·from Connecticut, but I can't remember. |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever have any conversations with |\n| 23· ·Mr. Mitchell again on this topic? |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the terms of the |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 194 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·\\$37 million loan? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I've read them. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·When you spoke to Mr. Je originally, did | |\n| ·5· ·he tell you what -- which entity was going to make | |\n| ·6· ·you the loan? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall that originally that it | |\n| ·9· ·was -- the loan was to come from ACA Capital? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Your father has a history of working with | |\n| 12· ·ACA Capital, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Were you involved in negotiating any of | |\n| 17· ·the terms of the loan agreement? | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·You don't recall if you were involved in | |\n| 20· ·any of the negotiations of the loan agreement for | |\n| 21· ·\\$37 million? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·That's correct.· My counsel did. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Did your counsel inform you that | |\n| 24· ·originally you were not to be -- let me strike that. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Ms. Guo, are you aware that under the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 196 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 195 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·final terms of the agreement you are personally | |\n| ·3· ·liable for guaranteeing the \\$37 million loan? | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·I am aware. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that in earlier versions of | |\n| ·6· ·the agreement, the loan was to be secured by the | |\n| ·7· ·Lady May and not by you yourself personally? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes, I remember that. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Why was that change made? | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· If that calls for | |\n| 11· · · · conversations you had with counsel, again, you | |\n| 12· · · · can't answer that. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·Based on the counsel's advice. | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·+ So counsel advised you to personally | |\n| 16· ·guarantee the loan? | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'll instruct you not to | |\n| 18· · · · answer.· Calls for privileged information. | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just clarifying her answer. | |\n| 20· · · · I just want to understand what she said. | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· You asked her what her | |\n| 22· · · · counsel advised her. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· She told me \"based on | |\n| 24· · · · advice of counsel.\"· I just want to make sure I | |\n| 25· · · · understand her answer. | |\n| | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 197 of 211\n\nPage 196 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Right.· I'm instructing her ·3· · · · not to answer. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·6· · · · Q.· ·You're going to follow your counsel's ·7· ·advice? ·8· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Who negotiated the interest rate on the 10· ·loan? 11· · · · A.· ·My counsel. 12· · · · Q.· ·You agreed to pay that interest rate, 13· ·3 percent per month? 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I agreed. 15· · · · Q.· ·And that \\$37 million, that's approximately 16· ·\\$1.1 million a month, correct? 17· · · · A.· ·Probably.· I didn't do the calculation. 18· · · · Q.· ·What funds were you going to use to pay 19· ·\\$1.1 million per month worth of interest? 20· · · · A.· ·When I agreed to this, I actually didn't 21· ·expect that I would ever need to make the payment 22· ·because I was really confident that the boat would 23· ·be back on time and the money would be back into the 24· ·account. 25· · · · · · ·And ^judgments are great.· I never\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 198 of 211\n\n| | Page 197
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·2· ·expected that I would need to pay the money. |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·You didn't expect there would be any |\n| | ·4· ·period of time between when the boat returned to the |\n| | ·5· ·United States and when the money could be returned |\n| | ·6· ·to the lender? |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·At that time, I only had several days to |\n| | ·8· ·borrow the money and sign the document.· I didn't |\n| | ·9· ·really think about it that much. |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·What about the money that would be needed |\n| | 11· ·to repair the boat?· Where was that going to come |\n| | 12· ·from? |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·The insurance would pay part of it.· My |\n| | 14· ·brother would pay part of it for me. |\n| | 15· · · · Q.· ·Did Mr. Je ever tell you that he was going |\n| | 16· ·to charge you a million dollars a month to borrow |\n| | 17· ·the money? |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·I don't recall. |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever think to see if there was |\n| | 20· ·anyone who was going to charge you less of a |\n| | 21· ·usurious loan rate? |\n| | 22· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·Could you repeat that question?· I don't |\n| | 24· ·understand it. |\n| 25 | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 198 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Sure. ·4· · · · · · ·Did you ever see if anyone would charge ·5· ·you less than 3 percent interest per month to borrow ·6· ·the money? ·7· · · · A.· ·No. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Do you know if anyone else reached out to ·9· ·any other lenders other than Mr. Je to provide the 10· ·money? 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever ask your brother if he would 13· ·lend you the money to pay for the bond in connection 14· ·with your father's bankruptcy? 15· · · · A.· ·No. 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you have to provide any due diligence 17· ·documents to Mr. Je prior to him loaning you 18· ·\\$37 million? 19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection to \"due diligence 20· · · · documents.\"· I don't know if that definition is 21· · · · clear. 22· · · · A.· ·No. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·And the loan that Mr. Je gave you for 25· ·\\$37 million without seeing any due diligence\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 200 of 211\n\n| Page 199
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·documents is unsecured, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·I don't quite understand what is meant by |\n| ·5· ·\"unsecured.\" |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Je didn't receive any security |\n| ·8· ·interest in connection with his loan, correct? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection.· I don't know |\n| 10· · · · if she knows what \"security interest\" means. |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The interpreter is not |\n| 12· · · · quite sure about security interest, so we were |\n| 13· · · · talking about the proper translation of |\n| 14· · · · security interest. |\n| 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· How do you say \"security |\n| 16· · · · interest\"? |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· In what context? |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't know that security |\n| 19· · · · interest means a lien.· If you want to ask |\n| 20· · · · about a lien, ask about a lien. |\n| 21· · · · · · ·CHECK INTERPRETER:· Is it like a schedule |\n| 22· · · · or guarantee? |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Right.· I would consider a |\n| 24· · · · personal guarantee to be a security interest. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm sure Mr. Zeisler will |\n| |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 201 of 211\n\nPage 200 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · tell you that's not -- ·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm not a bankruptcy ·4· · · · attorney. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· That's why I am suggesting you ·6· · · · not jump in. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I'm giving my non-bankruptcy ·8· · · · perspective. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· A personal guarantee is 10· · · · probably security.· It's not a security 11· · · · interest.· A lien is a type of security 12· · · · interest, but it's not the only. 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I was 50 percent right.· It's 14· · · · 7:00. 15· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I don't know if it's 16· · · · 50 percent. 17· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I was explaining the 18· · · · translation of the term to the witness. 19· · · · A.· ·So you're asking me about whether there 20· ·was a security interest; is that correct? 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Why don't we just -- I'll repeat my 23· ·question. 24· · · · A.· ·Thank you. 25· · · · Q.· ·And the loan that Mr. Je gave you for\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 202 of 211\n\nPage 201 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· ·\\$37 million without seeing any due diligence ·3· ·documents was unsecured, correct? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Same objection. ·5· · · · A.· ·I think for him, the security would be ·6· ·that we were certain and told him that once the boat ·7· ·is back, the money would be back.· That's the ·8· ·security. ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did you provide any 11· ·know-your-customer documents to Mr. Je in connection 12· ·with the loan? 13· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know what that is. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you read the terms of the loan 17· ·agreement? 18· · · · · · ·Well, who's the loan agreement between -- 19· ·with Hong Kong International funds with? 20· · · · A.· ·I did read the terms.· That's with 21· ·Himalaya Financial Group.· I don't know about the 22· ·Chinese. 23· · · · Q.· ·What business is Himalaya Financial Group 24· ·in? 25· · · · A.· ·I don't know.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 203 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 202 |\n|----------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you understand that they issued -- do | |\n| | ·3· ·you understand they issue cryptocurrency? | |\n| | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | ·5· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever hear of H Coin? | |\n| | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 11· · · · Q.· ·And are you aware that Himalaya Financial | |\n| | 12· ·is involved with H Coin? | |\n| | 13· · · · A.· ·I'm not aware. | |\n| | 14· · · · Q.· ·Your father is involved with H Coin, | |\n| 15· ·correct? | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·I don't know. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 19· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever heard your father's song, | |\n| | 20· ·\"H Coin to the Moon\"? | |\n| | 21· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure. | |\n| | 22· · · · Q.· ·Do you want me to show you the video? | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·Okay. | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· When the deposition is over, I'll | |\n| | 25· ·show you.· That's good. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nPage 203 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo ·2· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· I don't know if we're hanging ·3· · · · around after the deposition, but we can go ·4· · · · ahead. ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·6· · · · Q.· ·In fact, your father has a long history of ·7· ·doing business dealings with Mr. William Je, ·8· ·correct? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 10· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·You know Mr. Je is involved with 13· ·ACA Capital, correct? 14· · · · A.· ·I think, yes, probably. 15· · · · Q.· ·And you know your father is involved with 16· ·ACA Capital, correct? 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask the court 20· · · · reporter to mark as Exhibit 8 a copy of the 21· · · · Stipulated Order Compelling HK International 22· · · · Funds Investments Limited to transport and 23· · · · deliver that certain yacht, the Lady May. 24· · · · · · ·(Mei Guo Exhibit 8 was received and marked 25· · · · for identification, as of this date.)\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 205 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 204 | |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Guo, do you recognize this document? | | |\n| | ·4· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall if you ever read this | | |\n| ·6· ·document? | | | |\n| | ·7· · · · A.· ·Give me some time.· I need to read it. | | |\n| | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Of course. | | |\n| | ·9· · · · A.· ·I have some impression of it. | | |\n| | 10· · · · Q.· ·Were you involved in negotiating this | | |\n| 11· ·agreement? | | | |\n| | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | 13· · · · Q.· ·Do you have any personal knowledge with | | |\n| | 14· ·regard to the negotiations related to this | | |\n| 15· ·agreement? | | | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | | |\n| | 17· · · · A.· ·Personal knowledge, right? | | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Yes. | | | |\n| | 20· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | | |\n| | 21· · · · Q.· ·Who negotiated this agreement on behalf of | | |\n| | 22· ·Hong Kong International? | | |\n| | 23· · · · A.· ·My counsel. | | |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·Who is that? | | |\n| | 25· · · · A.· ·I think an attorney from Connecticut. | | |\n| | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 206 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 205 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Do you know which one? | |\n| | ·3· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Do you recall him discussing the terms of | |\n| | ·5· ·the agreement with you while he was negotiating it? | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Just answer that yes or no. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | ·9· · · · Q.· ·How many conversations did he have with | |\n| | 10· ·you while he was negotiating this agreement? | |\n| | 11· · · · A.· ·I don't remember. | |\n| | 12· · · · Q.· ·I asked you earlier today about other | |\n| | 13· ·entities that you owned other than Hong Kong | |\n| | 14· ·International.· You told me you could not recall the | |\n| | 15· ·names of any of them. | |\n| | 16· · · · · · ·Do you remember that testimony? | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Misstates the testimony. | |\n| | 18· · · · A.· ·Yes, I remember. | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | 20· · · · Q.· ·I'll ask you the same thing. | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·Are there any entities other than | |\n| | 22· ·Hong Kong International that you are a director of? | |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN:· Objection. | |\n| | 24· · · · A.· ·I really don't remember. | |\n| | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Why don't we take a | |\n| | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 207 of 211\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·M. Guo | Page 206 |\n|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·2· ·break and see if we're close to done. | |\n| ·3· · · · MR. VARTAN:· How much time do we have | |\n| ·4· ·left? | |\n| ·5· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Do you want to go off | |\n| ·6· ·record first? | |\n| ·7· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Please. | |\n| ·8· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It's 7:13 p.m.· We're | |\n| ·9· ·going off the record. | |\n| 10· · · · (Recess.) | |\n| 11· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 7:31 p.m.· We are | |\n| 12· ·back on the record. | |\n| 13· · · · MR. LUFT:· Ms. Guo, I'm going leave this | |\n| 14· ·deposition open for the reasons I've stated | |\n| 15· ·throughout regarding instructions for your | |\n| 16· ·counsel not to answer non-privileged questions, | |\n| 17· ·improper privileged questions, objections, and | |\n| 18· ·documents that are missing and the other | |\n| 19· ·reasons I've raised. | |\n| 20· · · · Other than that, I have no further | |\n| 21· ·questions for you at this time. | |\n| 22· · · · THE WITNESS:· Okay. | |\n| 23· · · · MR. LUFT:· Thank you, Ms. Guo. | |\n| 24· · · · THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | |\n| 25· · · · MR. VARTAN:· Thank you. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 208 of 211\n\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo | Page 207 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you, everyone. | |\n| | ·3· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· It is 7:32 p.m.· We're | |\n| | ·4· · · · going off the record. | |\n| ·5 | | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·(Time noted:· 7:32 p.m.) | |\n| ·7 | | |\n| ·8 | | |\n| ·9 | | |\n| 10 | | |\n| | 11· · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________ | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · · · · ·MEI GUO | |\n| 13 | | |\n| | 14· ·Subscribed and sworn to | |\n| | 15· ·before me this· · ·day | |\n| | 16· ·of· · · · · · 2022. | |\n| | 17· ·_______________________ | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 209\n\nof 211\n\n| ·1 | | Page 208 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · ·C O N T E N T S | |\n| | ·3· ·MR. LUFT· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·6 | |\n| ·4 | | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·(Retained by the court reporter) | |\n| | ·7· ·DEPOSITION· · · · · EXHIBIT· · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE | |\n| | ·8· ·Exhibit 1· ·Affidavit of Mei Guo· · · · · · · · · 87 | |\n| | ·9· ·Exhibit 2· ·2-2-22 Hearing transcript· · · · · · ·92 | |\n| | 10· ·Exhibit 3· ·Lady May Certificate of Registry· · ·128 | |\n| | 11· ·Exhibit 4· ·Letter dated June 7, 2021· · · · · · 141 | |\n| | 12· ·Exhibit 5· ·Management and Operations Agreement· 153 | |\n| 13 | · · · · · · · · ·dated May 7, 2021 | |\n| 14 | · · ·Exhibit 6· ·Decision and Order, October 15, 2020 169 | |\n| 15 | · · ·Exhibit 7· ·Decision and Order, March 16, 2021· ·172 | |\n| 16 | · · ·Exhibit 8· ·Stipulated Order· · · · · · · · · · ·204 | |\n| 17 | | |\n| | · · ·Instruction not to answer· · · · · · · · · 10· · 9
18· ·Instruction not to answer· · · · · · · · · 20· ·15 | |\n| | · · ·Instruction not to answer· · · · · · · · · 25· ·13
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21· ·Instruction not to answer· · · · · · · · ·195· ·17 | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n| | | |\n\nPage 209 ·1 ·2 ·3· · · · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE ·4 ·5· ·STATE OF NEW YORK· ) ·6· · · · · · · · · · · :· ·ss ·7· · · · · · ·I, Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court ·8· ·Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary Public within ·9· ·and for the States of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, 10· ·do hereby certify: 11· · · · · · ·That MEI GUO, the witness whose deposition is 12· ·herein before set forth, was duly sworn by me and that such 13· ·deposition is a true record of the testimony given by such 14· ·witness. 15· · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not related to any of 16· ·the parties to this action by blood or marriage and that I 17· ·am in no way interested in the outcome of this matter. 18· · · · · · ·In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand 19· ·this 23rd day of January, 2023. 20 21· · · · · · ·---------------------------------------- · · · · · · · ·ANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR 22· · · · · · ·LICENSE NO. XI00218400 23 24 25\n\n| | 1· · · · · · · · · · ERRATA SHEET | | | | | |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|--|\n| | 2· Case Name: | | | | | |\n| | 3· Deposition Date: | | | | | |\n| | 4· Deponent: | | | | | |\n| | 5· Pg.· No. Now Reads· · ·Should Read· Reason | | | | | |\n| | 6· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 7· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 8· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 9· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 10· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 11· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 12· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 13 ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 14· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 15· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 16· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 17· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 18· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 19· ___· ___ __________· · __________· ·____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · · · · · · · · _____________________ | | | | | |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Signature of Deponent | | | | | |\n| 21 | | | | | | |\n| | 22· SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME | | | | | |\n| | 23· THIS ____ DAY OF __________, 2023. | | | | | |\n| | 24· ____________________ | | | | | |\n| | 25· (Notary Public)· ·MY COMMISSION EXPIRES:__________ | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | |","body_zh":"附件 8\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 2 页，共\n\n第 1 页\n\n美国破产法院\n康涅狄格地区\n布里奇波特分院\n---------------------------------------X\n关于：\n 第 11 章\n Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）， 案号：\n 22-50073 (JAM)\n 债务人。\n---------------------------------------X\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）录像证言笔录\n2023 年 1 月 20 日，星期五\n\n记录人：\nAngela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特），CCR，CRR，RMR，CSR\n工作编号 221677\n\n第 2 页\n\n2023 年 1 月 20 日\n\n上午 10:34\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）的录像证言笔录，在 Chiesa Shahinian & Giantomasi（基耶萨·沙希尼安与詹托马西律师事务所），地址为纽约州纽约市时代广场 11 号举行；Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特）在场，其为纽约州、新泽西州和康涅狄格州的认证法庭记录员、认证实时记录员、注册高级记录员及公证人。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 4 页，共\n\n第 3 页\n\nM. Guo\n\n出庭人员：\n\nPAUL HASTINGS LLP（宝浩律师事务所） 受托人代理律师\n 200 Park Avenue\n New York, New York 10166\n出庭律师：AVRAM LUFT（阿夫拉姆·拉夫特），ESQ.\n DOUGLASS BARRON（道格拉斯·巴伦），ESQ.\n\nCHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC（基耶萨·沙希尼安与詹托马西律师事务所） HK INTERNATIONAL（HK 国际公司）及\n MEI GUO（郭美）的代理律师\n One Boland Drive\n West Orange, New Jersey 07052\n出庭律师：LEE VARTAN（李·瓦尔坦），ESQ.\n\nZEISLER & ZEISLER, P.C.（蔡斯勒与蔡斯勒律师事务所） HK INTERNATIONAL（HK 国际公司）及\n MEI GUO（郭美）的代理律师\n 10 Middle Street\n Bridgeport, Connecticut 06604\n出庭律师：AARON ROMNEY（阿伦·罗姆尼），ESQ.\n\n同时在场：\n Chris Johnson（克里斯·约翰逊），录像师\n Luyi Song（宋露伊），Paul Hastings（宝浩律师事务所）法律助理\n Jingyi Wang（王静怡），普通话口译员\n Una Wilkinson（尤娜·威尔金森），普通话复核口译员\n \\ \\ \\\n\nM. Guo 第 4 页\n\n录像师：现开始记录。这是关于美国破产法院康涅狄格地区布里奇波特分院第 11 章案号 22-50073 (JAM) 中 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）事项的 Mei Guo（郭美）录像证言笔录，标记为第 1 号媒体的开始。\n\n本次证言笔录在 Chiesa Shahinian & Giantomasi PC（基耶萨·沙希尼安与詹托马西律师事务所）举行，地址为纽约州纽约市时代广场 11 号 34 层，邮编 10001。\n\n今天是 2023 年 1 月 20 日，星期五。视频监视器显示的时间约为上午 10:34。\n\n我叫 Chris Johnson（克里斯·约翰逊）。我是 TSG Reporting Incorporated（TSG 记录公司）的法律视频专员，该公司总部位于纽约州纽约市东 45 街 228 号 810 室，邮编 10017。\n\n今天的法庭记录员是 Angela Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·肖-克罗克特），其亦与 TSG Reporting（TSG 记录公司）有关联。\n\n请在场的所有律师介绍其本人及所代理的当事人。\n\nLUFT 律师：我叫 Avi Luft（阿维·拉夫特）。我来自 Paul Hastings（宝浩律师事务所）。我代表本案第 11 章受托人。\n\n与我一同出席的是我的同事 Doug Barron（道格拉斯·巴伦）和法律助理 Luyi Song（宋露伊）。\n\nVARTAN 律师：早上好。我是 Chiesa Shahinian & Giantomasi（基耶萨·沙希尼安与詹托马西律师事务所）的 Lee Vartan（李·瓦尔坦）。我们不会因此责怪录像师。我们简称为“CSG law”。我同时代表 HKI 和 Mei Guo（郭美）。\n\nROMNEY 律师：我叫 Aaron Romney（阿伦·罗姆尼）。我来自 Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒与蔡斯勒律师事务所）。我代表郭女士、HK International（HK 国际公司）。我也代表本程序中的债务人 Miles Kwok（郭文贵）先生。\n\n证人：她能把口罩重新戴上吗？\n\n录像师：请法庭记录员为证人和口译员宣誓，然后我们即可继续。\n\nJINGYI WANG（王静怡），经纽约州境内及代表纽约州的公证人首先依法宣誓后，在宣誓下将问题从英语译为普通话，并将回答从普通话译为英语如下：\n\nM. Guo 第 6 页\n\nMei Guo（郭美）被传唤作为证人后，经口译员协助首先依法宣誓，接受询问并作证如下：\n\n询问\n\n由 LUFT 律师进行：\n\n问：早上好，郭女士。您好吗？\n\n答：很好，谢谢。\n\n问：郭女士，据我了解，您今天将以普通话作证，这很好；但我也了解到您懂一些英语。\n\n为使记录清楚，我要求我们只采用其中一种语言。因此，如将使用口译员，即使您用英语听懂了我的问题，也请等待口译员翻译。\n\n可以吗？\n\n答：可以。谢谢。\n\nLUFT 律师：在继续之前，作一项简短澄清。\n\nRomney 律师，您在本次证言笔录中是为债务人出庭，还是您仅仅是在说明，您在其他事项中代表债务人？\n\n第 7 页\n\nM. Guo\n\nROMNEY 律师：这是个合理的问题。债务人并非本程序的一方，因此我将——我今天为郭女士和 HK International（HK 国际公司）出庭。\n\nLUFT 律师：明白了。\n\nROMNEY 律师：谢谢。\n\nLUFT 律师：很好。\n\n由 LUFT 律师进行：\n\n问：郭女士，请您为记录陈述您的姓名。\n\n答：用英语吗？\n\n问：如果可以，请用英语。\n\n答：Mei Guo，M-E-I G-U-O。\n\n问：郭女士，您目前的住所在哪里？\n\n答：我住在纽约。\n\n问：您能告诉我您居住的地址吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：我们仅为记录起见，对出于安全原因要求提供其确切地址提出异议。\n\nLUFT 律师：如果您希望根据保护令将其标记为保密或高度保密，我很乐意这样做，但我认为证人必须回答该问题。\n\nM. Guo\n\nLUFT 律师：我认为证人需要回答这个问题。\n\nVARTAN 律师：我不知道她在纽约市的精确地址为何重要。她住在该市。她已经在记录中作出了该陈述。我不知道我们是否需要深入到这个程度。\n\nLUFT 律师：嗯，在进行询问时，您可以选择深入到您希望的程度。我认为我们知道她居住的地址很重要，而且我有权知道。\n\n我很乐意将其标记为高度保密，如同我们对本案中所有敏感信息所做的那样，但我要求证人回答该问题。\n\nVARTAN 律师：我先让口译员发言，然后再回应。\n\n我本来想回应说，也许我们可以继续，休息时再处理这个问题。\n\n我不想打断证言笔录的开头，但我认为您知道郭女士出行时有安保人员随行。\n\n在纽约州最高法院，Ostrager 法官在郭女士作证时采取了关闭法庭这一相当特别的措施。因此，这里确有真实的安全顾虑。\n\n我理解保密令，但我们确实看不出她在纽约市个人地址的相关性。\n\nLUFT 律师：Vartan 律师，您刚加入本案。她的母亲已就其地址作证。她的父亲已就其地址作证。我假定他们具有完全相同的安全顾虑，并以同样方式处理。\n\n我不理解为何郭女士需要获得与其父母不同的特别豁免。\n\nVARTAN 律师：这里唯一的区别是，据我了解，该地址已处于公共领域，即格林尼治住宅和 Sherry-Netherland（雪莉-荷兰酒店）均已为人所知。\n\n我不认为郭女士的地址曾以任何形式或方式被公开。\n\nLUFT 律师：Vartan 律师，我要求她——\n\nVARTAN 律师：让口译员——谢谢。\n\n因此，再次说明，我不想打断证言笔录的进行，我很乐意在休息时处理此事，但我认为我们目前可以继续，之后再回到这个问题。\n\nLUFT 律师：Vartan 律师，我认为这构成阻挠且不当。\n\n您是否指示您的证人不要回答我的问题？\n\nVARTAN 律师：此时，我指示她不要回答。必要时我们可以在休息时处理此事。\n\nLUFT 律师：Vartan 律师，休息时没有什么需要处理的。我提出了一个完全适当的问题。我已经同意您可使用现行保护令。\n\n如果您希望向法院寻求救济，以取得一项允许她不回答该问题的保护令，您可以这样做。否则，我认为您指示她不回答一个与任何特权无关的问题是不当的。\n\n因此，由于她未作答，我将就此问题保留证言笔录的开放状态，并继续进行。\n\nM. Guo 第 11 页\n\nLUFT 律师：我鼓励您如有意愿，向法院寻求救济。\n\n口译员：我没有听清——\n\nLUFT 律师：我说的是，Vartan 律师，如果他希望出于非特权理由指示证人不回答问题，他需要向法院寻求救济。\n\n证人：谢谢。\n\n由 LUFT 律师进行：\n\n问：郭女士，您在目前住所居住了多久？\n\n答：两年。\n\n问：您独自居住，还是与其他家庭成员共同居住？\n\n答：独自居住。\n\n问：您拥有您的公寓吗——或者让我撤回这个问题。\n\n这是什么类型的住宅？\n\n答：一套公寓。\n\n问：您是该公寓的所有人吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：您居住的该公寓的所有人是谁？\n\n你住的公寓是谁的？\n\n答：房东的。\n\n问：房东是谁？\n\n答：我记不起来了。\n\n问：你不知道你所住公寓的所有人是谁吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得房东的名字。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：你向房东支付租金吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：你把租金支票开给哪个实体？\n\n答：我记不起来了。\n\n问：你自己支付租金，还是有人替你支付？\n\n答：我自己支付租金。\n\n问：你如何支付？\n\n答：通过支票。\n\n问：该支票是从个人银行账户还是公司银行账户开出的？\n\n答：从个人账户开出。\n\n问：你用什么资金支付租金？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 14 of\n\n郭女士 第13页\n\n答：就从我的个人银行账户。\n\n问：该银行账户中的资金来源是什么？\n\n答：我有自己的工作。\n\n问：好的。你从事什么工作？\n\n答：我目前是一名企业家。我是一名电影导演、制片人和编剧。\n\n问：你卖过剧本吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是否为除你本人以外的人执导过电影？\n\n答：是，在中国时。\n\n问：在你居住在中国期间？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：你最近一次执导电影是什么时候？\n\n答：你指的是短片，还是在电影院上映的普通电影？\n\n问：我们分开谈。\n\n我先问你为他人执导的任何电影。\n\n答：我记不清具体情况。那是我在中国的时候。我和另一位导演一起拍了一部电影。\n\n问：你因执导该电影获得报酬了吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第14页 郭女士\n\n答：是。\n\n问：你因执导该电影获得了多少报酬？\n\n答：我记不清具体数额，但大约超过100,000 RMB。\n\n问：你记得何时执导该电影吗？\n\n答：大概是在2013或2014年。我不太确定。但我想大概是2014年。\n\n问：自你离开中国后，你执导过任何电影吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我只是要对这一询问路线提出异议。我很乐意在记录中提出持续性异议。我已给予对方律师一定的余地，但在我看来，所有这些问题确实都超出了我们在此的目的范围，即为PJR程序作准备。\n\n因此，郭女士在中国于2013或2014年可能做过什么，与将提交法院审理的任何事项绝无关联。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生……\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：你可以回答我的问题。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n郭女士\n\n答：抱歉。我记不得问题是什么了。\n\n问：自你离开中国后，你执导过任何电影吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：同一异议。\n\n卢夫特先生，你是否同意我提出持续性异议，还是你希望我对每一个问题提出异议？\n\n卢夫特先生：我不同意你作陈述性异议。但是，由于我将提出不同的问题，我不知道你要求何种类型的持续性异议。\n\n你是说，你希望对我提出的每一个问题均提出持续性异议吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对每一个超出PJR程序范围的问题。我很乐意逐一提出异议。\n\n卢夫特先生：你只需说“异议，形式”，这就足够了。\n\n特别是考虑到今天有译员，我们不要在陈述性异议上浪费时间。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：那么，我要求我们不要在无关材料上浪费时间。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 17 of\n\n第16页 郭女士\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，你已经多次对你的证人说过这话——\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我是在对你说话。\n\n卢夫特先生：这并非无关。明白吗？再说一次，我不知道这是否因为你刚刚加入本案。但她的资金来源以及她如何支付各项费用，正是本案的核心问题。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：不在我所读到的反诉中。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，自你刚才告诉我你在中国执导的上一部电影后，你是否因执导任何电影获得过报酬？你说那大约是在2013至2014年。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：没有。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：你还说你制作过电影。\n\n自你离开中国后，你制作过任何电影吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：与他人共同制作过很多，但这些电影都是学生制作的独立电影。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 18 of 211\n\n第17页 郭女士\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：所以，它们是学生电影？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：是。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：你从制作这些学生电影中赚过钱吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：同一异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：除担任电影制片人、导演和编剧外，自你移居美国以来，你是否还有其他赚取收入或资金的方式？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：是。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：你还通过何种方式赚取收入或资金？\n\n答：自2016年以来，我一直担任Pangu Plaza（盘古大观）的首席执行官，因此我一直在领取薪水。\n\n问：Pangu Plaza在哪里？\n\n答：它位于中国北京，地址是朝阳路27号。\n\n问：你目前仍是Pangu Plaza的首席执行官吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第18页 郭女士\n\n答：是。\n\n问：你担任Pangu Plaza首席执行官的报酬是多少？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：年薪加奖金，我记得不是很清楚，但大约是1.45 million。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：那是美元吗？\n\n答：我希望是。但那是RMB。\n\n问：谁拥有Pangu Plaza？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：家族基金。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：谁管理该家族基金？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：许多家族成员。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：该家族基金的名称是什么？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，形式。\n\n答：它就叫“家族基金”。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：所以，雇佣你的人除家族基金外没有其他名称？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第19页 郭女士\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，歪曲证词。\n\n答：我的雇主不是个人。它是一个基金。它是我家族的企业。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：我想知道的是，雇佣你的那家企业叫什么名称？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：所以，我之前所提到、所指的是Pangu Group（盘古集团）。那是一家企业，也是我家族企业的一部分。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：当你说你家族的企业时，你家中哪些人参与Pangu Group？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我的叔叔，以及我父亲一方的堂兄弟，具体说是男性堂兄弟，还有我自己。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：所以，你的兄弟、你本人，以及你父亲一方的叔叔和堂兄弟都参与其中；对吗？\n\n译员：译员更正。证人说的是这些堂兄弟是男性堂兄弟，不是堂兄弟加兄弟；而是我的叔叔、我的堂兄弟，具体说是男性堂兄弟。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 21 of\n\n郭女士 第20页\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：我们澄清一下。\n\n你的兄弟是否参与Pangu Group？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：你的哪位叔叔参与Pangu Group？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我将提出异议，并进一步指示证人不要回答。此时，我们已经远远偏离今天到此的目的，我实在看不出其中任何内容的关联性。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，我认为你决定在本案中出庭仅仅是为了阻挠，这令人遗憾。显然这就是你的意图。\n\n有关她家族参与情况以及其企业如何相互关联的问题，是本案的核心。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 22 of\n\n郭女士 第21页\n\n如果你阅读过反诉，你就会知道这正是争议所在。\n\n我要求你停止以毫无根据的理由提出异议。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我并非以毫无根据的理由提出异议。我也在努力不阻挠本次证言记录。\n\n但归根结底，据我理解，我们今天在此，是因为你正在探查HKI与债务人之间的任何关联，以及HKI与Himalaya之间的任何关联。\n\n围绕Pangu发生的任何事情都与PJR程序无关。这不是破产程序中的一般证言记录。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，不应由你决定我在此可以就哪些主题提问。\n\n如果你阅读过反诉，对吧，我相信你读过，你知道其中有许多关于HKI和Himalaya以外多个家族企业的指控，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我们并非在此就一项\n\n第 22 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生（Mr. Luft）：这并非泛泛而谈。这些是本案中的反诉请求。\n\n瓦尔坦先生（Mr. Vartan）：这与任何其他业务无关。这与 HKI 有关。她很乐意回答您就其业务提出的任何问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，我的问题涉及 HKI，涉及她从何处获得资金，涉及所有这些事项。这些事项与反诉请求直接相关，也直接关系到我们证明本案的能力。\n\n我请您停止干预证言录取。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我没有干预。我是在尽力让证言录取不偏离主题。您连一个关于 HKI 的问题都没有问。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，我实际上才刚到我引言的第一页。我向您保证，我们会问及 HKI。好吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我请您尽快这样做，否则我们会在这里耗上一整天谈论——\n\n卢夫特先生：很抱歉占用了您的一天。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 24 页，共 211 页\n\n第 23 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生：好吗？但这就是我们将要做的事，而且我会按照我想要的方式提问。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：请继续。\n\n口译员：关于刚才的沟通，您是否希望口译员翻译刚才的沟通内容？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：请翻译。\n\n口译员：安吉（Angie），您介意——\n\n卢夫特先生：我认为这纯属浪费时间。我将保留申请额外时间的权利。\n\n口译员：抱歉，安吉。您是否介意回到刚才沟通停止、口译员停止翻译的地方？\n\n（庭外进行了讨论。）\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，把这些内容全部翻译出来的目的是什么——要求口译员回头逐句翻译我们来回交谈内容的目的是什么，除了在记录中浪费时间以外？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：不是为了浪费时间。我想确保该证人充分理解并领会证言录取中正在发生的事情。\n\n第 24 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生：您的证人会说英语。如果她想用普通话作证，这没有问题，但您在浪费时间。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：您不能告诉我我的证人说什么语言。在准备今天的证言录取时，我是在口译员协助下与我的当事人和证人沟通的。您不能规定她说什么语言。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，继续浪费时间吧。\n\n（口译员宣读记录。）\n\n口译员：我完成了。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您会说并且能理解一些英语，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您和朋友说英语吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您能读英语吗？\n\n答：一些。\n\n问：好。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将在记录中注明，根据我在实时画面中所见，刚才仅翻译该段交谈就花了将近五分钟。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您的兄弟参与盘古集团（Pangu Group）吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，已问且已答。\n\n答：没有。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您的哪一位叔叔参与盘古集团？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议并指示。我指示您不要回答具体是哪位家庭成员。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您的哪些表亲参与盘古集团？\n\n卢夫特先生：我撤回该问题。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您会遵从您律师的指示吗？\n\n答：会。\n\n卢夫特先生：该指示的依据并非特权，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第 26 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：该依据是安全利益。\n\n（书记员请求澄清。）\n\n卢夫特先生：您说该依据是为家庭的安全利益，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对。\n\n卢夫特先生：再说一遍，安全问题可以依据保护令处理。您可以将其标记为高度保密，但您不能仅因您认为存在任何安全顾虑，就指示证人不要回答。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：明白。我暂时指示她不要回答。\n\n休息时很乐意重新讨论此事。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生——\n\n证人：我可以说话吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：不可以。只有在有待回答的问题时才可以。\n\n证人：好。\n\n卢夫特先生：目前有一个待回答的问题。您可以回答该问题。\n\n答：刚才的问题是什么来着？我不记得了。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第 27 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您的哪一位叔叔参与盘古集团？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：同样的异议。\n\n答：所以非常感谢您的提醒，因为这个案件在中国是公开的。因此我可以回答这个问题。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：哦，好。在这种情况下，请继续。\n\n答：所以，在我开始担任那个职位之前，我的叔叔们，包括我父亲的四哥、五哥和六哥，共同管理盘古。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：那么您被雇用后，他们就不再管理了？\n\n答：所以我想说明当时的情况。不只是我被雇用了，而是我的所有家人都被共产党关进了监狱。他们出来后，都有健康问题。其中一人甚至被送进了精神科医院。\n\n卢夫特先生：精神病院。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第 28 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n口译员：更正。不是心理医院，而是精神病院。\n\n答：所以没有人管理该业务。因此我自愿来做。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您父亲的四哥、五哥和六哥这几位叔叔的姓名是什么？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：四哥叔叔？我不明白。\n\n答：我确实不记得他们的姓名。我从不称呼他们的姓名。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好。您还提到了表亲。参与盘古集团的表亲姓名是什么？\n\n答：我非常抱歉，因为我的表亲从未向公众披露过他们的姓名。因此我不想说出他们的姓名。\n\n问：好。那么，我们可以将此标记为高度保密。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我将指示证人不要回答。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您会遵从您律师的指示吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第 29 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我确实不想回答这个问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：而且您并非以特权为由指示她，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：并非以特权为由。\n\n卢夫特先生：依据是什么？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：与之前相同的依据，即她现在已在记录中多次表示，对她在中国的家人和大家庭成员存在真实且切实的安全顾虑。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，我已多次听到您在记录中表达这一点。不是证人。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：那么，我们可以问她这个问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：我不想。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：撇开在您之前谁管理该大厦不谈，向您支付经营盘古大观（Pangu Plaza）薪酬的家庭基金成员有哪些人？\n\n答：在我们的家庭基金中，有一百多名家庭成员。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第 30 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：有人负责该家庭基金吗？\n\n答：没有。由共同管理。\n\n问：这 100 人都有同等投票权，还是有人比其他人有更大的发言权？\n\n答：谁对家庭基金作出更大贡献，谁就有更大的发言权。\n\n问：谁对家庭基金作出了最大贡献？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我认为目前是我。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您向家庭基金贡献了多少？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。如果您理解“贡献”的含义。\n\n答：我对贡献的理解是，从 2016 年起，当时没有人管理盘古集团，我使该业务恢复了过来。自那以后这些年来，我作出了最大的贡献。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：这是金钱贡献，还是仅仅是您投入时间的贡献？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第 31 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：两者都是。而且我赚了很多钱。\n\n问：您向家庭基金贡献了多少钱？\n\n答：我不具体记得，但自 2016 年以来，我通过盘古酒店（Pangu Hotel）和租金所赚取的金额打破了最高纪录。\n\n问：所以您是说该业务经营得很好？\n\n答：是，盘古集团的业务，没错。\n\n问：就向家庭基金投入的资金而言，谁作出了最大的个人贡献？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n再一次，如果您理解该问题的话，但是——\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，请停止您的口头异议。\n\n答：我不确定这个答案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：您是否向家庭基金投入过任何钱，不是指您帮助公司赚取的钱，而是您是否向家庭基金投入过任何钱？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：没有。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG全球速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第 32 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：你家里谁向家族基金投入的钱最多？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：我确实不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：为明确起见，除盘古广场（Pangu Plaza）外，家族基金还持有哪些其他资产？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：有盘古集团（Pangu Group）和 Jung Chen Group（Jung Chen 集团）。\n还有一个盘古集团和 Zenith Group（Zenith 集团）。\n口译员：拼作 Z-N-I-T-H。或者可能拼作 Z-E-N-I-T-H。我不太确定。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：除盘古广场外，这些实体中的任何一个还拥有何种其他资产？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：我不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：除你本人外，你能说出参与该家族基金的任何家庭成员的姓名吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 34 页，共 211 页\n\n第 33 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，已问及并已回答。\n答：我刚才已经回答过这个问题。我确实不想在这里逐一说出我家人的姓名。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：除你本人外，你知道任何参与该家族基金的家庭成员的姓名吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n答：我知道一些。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：有多少人？\n答：我记不起来。\n问：而且你不会告诉我他们的姓名？\n瓦尔坦先生：我只想说，在你愿意分享姓名且不会牵涉安全方面顾虑的范围内，我当然不反对你分享姓名。\n答：我刚才提到了我父亲的第四、第五和第六个哥哥。我确实记不起他们的姓名。你可以查一下。然后还有我自己、我哥哥。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 35 页，共 211 页\n\n第 34 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n至于其他人，我确实想保护他们的隐私。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：所以你哥哥参与了家族基金？\n答：是。\n问：但你父亲参与了家族基金吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你母亲呢？\n答：没有。\n问：你的叔伯们如何赚得使他们能够购买盘古广场的钱？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：我不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：盘古广场是什么时候购买的？\n答：我不知道。\n问：你知道使用了哪些资金，即资金来源——抱歉。\n你知道用于购买盘古广场的任何资金的来源吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，已问及并已回答。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 35 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我不知道。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：你如何从美国管理盘古广场？\n答：我每周都与他们举行视频会议。我还授权我的经理负责管理，他们也会定期向我发送表格。\n问：你与谁举行视频会议？\n瓦尔坦先生：再一次，我只是想提出异议，这与我们在此的原因相去甚远。\n答：是现任各部门经理。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：你签署哪些表格？\n答：你是指目前吗？\n问：作为你经营盘古广场职责的一部分。\n答：近年来我没有签署过任何表格。\n问：你以前接受过宣誓证词吗？\n答：没有。\n问：郭女士，你明白你是在宣誓后作证吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 36 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：是，我明白。\n问：有什么理由使你今天无法作出真实证词吗？\n答：没有。\n问：郭女士，我要向你提问。如果你因任何原因不理解我的问题，你会告诉我吗？\n答：会。\n问：郭女士，我们能否约定，在我向你提问而你未告诉我你理解有困难的情况下，我可以假定你确实理解我的问题？\n答：好的。\n问：郭女士，你为准备本次证词与谁交谈过？\n答：我的律师。\n问：是瓦尔坦先生和 Romney 先生（罗姆尼先生）吗？\n答：是。\n问：你与其他律师交谈过吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你与任何家庭成员交谈过吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你是否审阅过任何文件，以准备本次证词？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 38 页，共 211 页\n\n第 37 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我确实与我的律师一起审阅过一些。\n问：其中任何文件是否唤起了你的记忆？\n答：我不太理解那是什么意思。\n问：其中任何文件在你查看时，是否帮助你记起了你此前未曾记起的事情？\n答：是，一些。\n问：是哪些文件？\n答：我现在记不起来。\n问：如果你在本次证词期间记起来，你会告诉我吗？\n答：好的。\n问：如果我向你出示一份曾唤起你记忆的文件，我是否也可以要求你告诉我？\n答：好的。\n问：盘古广场没有被中国政府查封？\n答：去年，他们把所有工作人员和我父系祖父赶到了街上。我记不清那具体发生在哪个月。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 38 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n现在我们仍面临员工权益保护问题。\n问：但家族仍控制着盘古广场，对吗？\n答：我认为不完全是，因为现在我们没有进入盘古大楼的权利。但我们仍需要管理员工。\n问：请帮助我理解。当你说“我们不被允许进入大楼”时，“我们”是指谁？\n答：所有人，包括所有工作人员。任何人都不能进入。\n问：好的。那么，自那时起盘古广场就没有任何收入？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n口译员：证人刚刚回答：“正确。”\n卢夫特先生：\n问：郭女士，你的出生日期是什么？\n答：January 28, 1989.\n问：就本诉讼而言，你是否收集过——你的律师是否要求你协助收集为你本人及代表 Hong Kong International USA（美国香港国际）所要求的文件？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我不记得。\n问：你是否知道与本诉讼有关的所有应提交文件是否均已向受托人提交？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：我不记得。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：郭女士，你最后就读的学校是什么？\n答：因为我上次在纽约作证时，我的信息被披露在网上，一些教师告诉我他们受到骚扰。因此，为保护他们，我不想说出学校名称。\n问：我们可以根据保护令对这一事项作标记。但我只需要知道，你最后就读的学校是什么？\n瓦尔坦先生：如果证人对其本人或亲人的安全或安保有顾虑，我指示她不要回答。\n答：我能否先试着理解一下你提到、你所指的保护令是什么？\n瓦尔坦先生：我会在休息时与她谈谈这个问题。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 40 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：你在学校获得的最高学位是什么？\n答：大学毕业。\n问：那所学校位于哪里？\n答：纽约。\n问：你毕业时获得何种学位？\n答：BA。\n问：你的专业是什么？\n答：导演。\n问：是电影学校吗？\n答：是。\n问：你在哪一年从电影学校毕业？\n答：2012 或 '13。我想大概是 2013。\n问：你在纽约上学多少年才取得该学位？\n核对口译员：她说“大概 12”。\n口译员：抱歉。更正：“是 2012 或 2013。我想是 2012。”\n卢夫特先生：\n问：在你取得学位之前，你上学多少年？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 42 页，共 211 页\n\n第 41 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：大学课程为四年，语言学校为一年。\n问：在那五年期间你住在纽约吗？\n答：是。\n问：所以那应是从 2007 到 2012？\n答：是。\n问：在上大学之前，你导演过任何电影吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：没有。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：你毕业时——你就读的学校是 NYU 吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：不是。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：你在 2012 年从电影学校毕业后，留在纽约了吗？\n答：我确实留在那里拍了几部电影，然后回到了中国。\n问：毕业后回中国之前，你在纽约待了多久？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 43 页，共 211 页\n\n第 42 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我记不起来。大概几个月。\n问：不到一年？\n答：我确实记不起来。\n问：好的。谁支付了电影学校的费用？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：我记不起来。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：你为上电影学校而贷款了吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：没有。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：她的父亲和母亲支付了她的大学费用吗？\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n答：我不记得。\n卢夫特先生：\n问：因此，为使我理解，在去电影学校之前，你住在哪里？\n答：我在好几套公寓里学习过，全都在纽约。\n问：我的问题不清楚。\n在你去电影学校之前，也就是 2007 年之前，你住在哪个国家？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 44 页，共 211 页\n\n第 43 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：当时我在中国。有时在香港。\n\n问：当时您的家人在中国和香港有住宅吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师（瓦尔坦律师）：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：在中国有。但在香港没有。\n\nLUFT 律师（卢夫特律师）询问：\n\n问：2007 年前往电影学校之前，您在香港时住在哪里？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：酒店。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：后来您来了——那么，从 2007 年到 2012 年，您住在纽约？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您离开纽约后，去了哪里？\n\n答：我旅行了一段时间，然后回到北京。\n\n问：您旅行了多久？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：多久——您何时又开始住在北京？\n\n答：从 2014 年到 2017 年，我一直都在北京。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 44 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：所以，从 2014 年到 2017 年，您从未住在香港？\n\n答：从未住过。\n\n问：好的。2014 年之前，除住酒店外，您是否曾住在香港？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您住在哪里？\n\n答：住在我朋友家。\n\n问：是哪位朋友？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：香港的朋友。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您住在——您 2017 年来时，住在哪里？\n\n答：酒店。\n\n问：您 2017 年来到纽约时，搬进了一家酒店？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：是 Sherry-Netherland hotel（谢里-内瑟兰酒店）吗？\n\n答：不是。我只在那里住了几天。\n\n问：您现在住在谢里-内瑟兰酒店吗？\n\n答：不住。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 46 页，共\n\nYVer1f\n\n谢里-内瑟兰酒店？\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：您是否曾居住在谢里-内瑟兰酒店？\n\n答：几年前住过。\n\n问：是什么时候？\n\n答：就是我 2017 年刚来这里的时候。\n\n问：您兄弟居住在谢里-内瑟兰酒店吗？\n\n答：他曾在那里住过几次。\n\n问：他何时住在那里？\n\n答：他在 2017 年和 2018 年住过。大概就这些。我确实不记得了。\n\n问：您父亲居住在谢里-内瑟兰酒店吗？\n\n答：是，有时住。\n\n问：他现在住在那里吗？\n\n答：您是指今天吗？\n\n问：是。\n\n答：我确实不知道。\n\n问：过去六个月内呢？\n\n答：我想大概偶尔住，但我确实不知道。\n\n问：您父亲不住在谢里-内瑟兰酒店时，住在哪里？\n\n答：康涅狄格州。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 47 页，共\n\n第 46 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：好的。您持有哪个国家的国籍？\n\n答：我有香港护照。\n\n问：如果您从未作为居民住在香港，您怎么会有香港护照？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：因为我父母是香港居民。因此，子女会自动取得香港护照。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：与您护照相关联的香港地址是什么？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您持有中国国籍吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：目前不持有。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您是否曾居住在香港 20 South Bay Road？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 47 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您持有中国护照吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：提出异议，该问题已问及并已作答。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您作为 Pangu Plaza（盘古广场）首席执行官所赚取的钱，如何转给您？\n\n答：会支付到我的主要工资卡中。\n\n问：什么是工资卡？\n\n答：在中国，每个工作的人都会有一张卡，公司会将款项直接支付到该卡中。这大致类似于这里的直接存款或类似方式。\n\n这是我的个人卡。我们都有一张。\n\n问：自您于 2017 年来到本国以来，您的盘古广场工资如何支付给您？\n\n答：同一张工资卡。\n\n问：您在美国可以使用那张工资卡中的钱吗？\n\n答：可以。Bank of China（中国银行）在这里有一家分行。\n\n问：您在中国银行有账户吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 49 页，共\n\n第 48 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：有。\n\n问：您父亲在中国银行有账户吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您兄弟在中国银行有账户吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：我问过 20 South Bay Road。\n\n您是否曾居住在香港 22 South Bay Road？\n\nVARTAN 律师：提出异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：在您父亲——您父亲何时离开中国？\n\nVARTAN 律师：是指永久离开吗？\n\n答：他于 2014 年离开北京，但具体而言，他何时离开香港，我不记得了。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 49 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：在他离开北京之前，您父亲做什么赚钱？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您父亲曾称自己在离开中国之前是一名亿万富翁。\n\n他在离开中国之前做什么赚得十亿美元？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您家中是否有人是亿万富翁？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您家中是否有人是百万富翁？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您是百万富翁吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我目前不是。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 51 页，共 211 页\n\n第 50 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您兄弟是百万富翁吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：好的。您兄弟从事什么工作？\n\n答：我兄弟在许多领域、许多方面进行投资，他也协助处理家族企业事务。\n\n问：您兄弟用于投资的资金来源是什么？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您兄弟投资哪些公司？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您兄弟投资哪些家庭成员的钱？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 52 页，共 211 页\n\n第 51 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您兄弟住在哪里？\n\n答：伦敦。\n\n问：什么地址？\n\n答：我确实不记得了。\n\n问：您兄弟控制哪些公司？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对“控制”一词提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您知道您兄弟拥有的任何公司吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您兄弟上过大学吗？\n\n答：上过。\n\n问：他在哪里上学？\n\n答：我不记得名称。英国一所经济学专业排名最高的大学。\n\n问：您知道他何时毕业吗？\n\n答：我知道近年来他也曾攻读硕士课程，但我不确定具体年份。\n\n问：您在美国还有其他家人吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 52 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我父母。\n\n问：除您兄弟外，您在英国还有其他家人吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您最后一次见到您兄弟是什么时候？\n\n答：两年前。大约已有两三年了。我不记得了。\n\n问：自您于 2017 年起在美国以来，您兄弟从英国来访的频率是多少？\n\n答：可能每年仅一次，最多每年两次。\n\nVARTAN 律师：Luft 律师，我们快要进行一个半小时了，所以如有方便证人的休息时间，我将不胜感激。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：但在过去几年中，他没有进行那些行程？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：您记得他最后一次来美国探访是什么时候吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 54 页，共\n\nYVer1f\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：大约是两三年前。\n\nLUFT 律师：我们现在可以休息。\n\nVARTAN 律师：好的。谢谢。\n\n录像员：请注意。\n\n时间为下午 12:01。现停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现在是下午 12:24。现恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：郭女士，就我们刚才讨论的内容，问一个简短的后续问题。您说您与盘古广场的一名经理共事。\n\n他叫什么名字？\n\nVARTAN 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：并非只有一名经理，而是各部门经理。有六七名。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：他们叫什么名字？\n\n答：我不记得了。我不按他们的名字称呼他们。\n\n问：您如何称呼他们？\n\n第 54 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦先生）：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我只是说“大家好”。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特先生）问：\n\n问：由于过去一年人们一直无法进入该大楼，在此期间，盘古大观（Pangu Plaza）是否产生了任何资金？\n\n答：没有。钱也被锁在里面。\n\n问：您提到您在纽约的中国银行（Bank of China）有一个个人银行账户；这是否正确？\n\n答：这个账户是在中国开立的，但我也可以在纽约使用。\n\n问：除中国银行外，您是否在其他任何银行持有个人银行账户？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：就在最近，我在美国已有五到六个银行账户被关闭。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您说您在美国有五六个银行账户被关闭，是什么意思？\n\n答：就是每当我在任何一家银行开立账户并使用一小段时间后，该账户就会被关闭。\n\n最近的一个是在上周被关闭的，而我还没有机会再开一个。\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文书 1797-8，提交于 05/16/23，登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24，第 56 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第 55 页\n\n问：是哪家银行？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：Chase（大通银行）、Bank of America（美国银行）、Citibank（花旗银行）、First Republic（第一共和银行）——哦，不，我记不起来了——是的，第一共和银行。\n\n这些是我目前能记起来的。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：其中任何一家银行是否向您解释了您的银行账户为何被关闭？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：完全没有。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：有人告诉我——正确的翻译应是“closed（关闭）”，而不是“locked（锁定）”，对吗？\n\n答：对。于是他们注销了我的账号，并告诉我，他们绝不会再与我建立业务关系。\n\n问：除告诉您他们绝不会与您建立业务关系外，其中任何一家银行是否就其为何不会与您建立业务关系向您作出任何进一步解释？\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n第 56 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：没有。我问过，他们只是告诉我，这不由他们决定。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您是法律上的所有人——让我撤回这个问题。\n\n您知悉一个名为 Hong Kong International USA（美国香港国际公司）的实体吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：并且您主张您是该实体的所有人，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Hong Kong International USA 没有银行账户，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：除 Hong Kong International USA 外，是否还有任何其他您主张由您所有的实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：该实体的名称是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我现在记不起来。\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文书 1797-8，提交于 05/16/23，登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24，第 58 页，共 211 页\n\n第 57 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您能否——是否不止一个实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：是，大概。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：好的。您记得您所拥有的这些实体的哪些情况？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我现在确实记不起来。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您是该实体法律上的所有人吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n我想我只要求澄清一下您所指的是哪个实体？\n\n答：我的问题是指哪个实体。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：我问过您，除 Hong Kong International USA 外，是否还有您拥有的其他实体。您告诉我有，但您不记得名称。\n\n因此，我是在问您所称由您拥有、但并非 Hong Kong International USA 的那个实体。\n\nVARTAN先生：她说有多个实体。\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n第 58 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT先生：不，她没有。她说她不记得。也许有。\n\nVARTAN先生：我认为这个问题令人困惑。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。坦白说，如果您愿意接下来接受讯问，请告诉我，我会——但现在我只打算与郭女士谈话，好吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：我很乐意——我很乐意接受讯问。\n\nLUFT先生：我相信您是。\n\nVARTAN先生：我很乐意接受讯问。他欢迎现在就讯问我。\n\nLUFT先生：您已经作证一整天了。我相信您愿意。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，我是在问您所指的任何实体。因此，让我们澄清一下。\n\n除 Hong Kong USA 外，您作为所有人的实体是否不止一个？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：那么您的意思是，您在问我有多少个？\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n第 59 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：让我们从这个问题开始。除 Hong Kong USA 外，您主张您拥有多少个实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我以前确实不知道，但最近我无意中听到您的同事 Luc（吕克）威胁我父亲，说我有九家公司。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您在哪里无意中听到 Despins先生（德斯潘先生）？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n口译员：这个名字？\n\nLUFT先生：D-E-S-P-I-N-S。\n\nVARTAN先生：我只想说，这——\n\nLUFT先生：律师，请停止干扰。\n\nVARTAN先生：我需要提出异议。\n\n如果您是从律师处得知这些谈话的，那么我要求您不要谈论与律师之间的谈话。\n\n答：我不记得具体是什么时候。\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文书 1797-8，提交于 05/16/23，登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24，第 61 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第 60 页\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您是否曾出席过任何听证会？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否曾与 Despins先生同处一室？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否曾与 Despins先生通电话？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：事实上，您从未听到 Despins先生对您父亲说过任何话，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：对。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：撇开任何人可能告诉您的关于 Despins先生可能说过或未说过什么的话不谈，据您所知，除 Hong Kong International USA 外，您认为您拥有多少个实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您控制这些实体吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文书 1797-8，提交于 05/16/23，登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24，第 62 页，共 211 页\n\n第 61 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：它们的名称是什么？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我现在记不起来。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：它们从事什么业务？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：据我所知，目前没有业务。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：它们位于何处？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：您指的是公司的所在地吗？\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：嗯哼。\n\n答：目前，这些公司没有实际地址。\n\n问：这些公司中有任何一家有雇员吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：这些实体中有任何实体拥有资产吗？\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文书 1797-8，提交于 05/16/23，登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24，第 63 页，共 211 页\n\n第 62 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我的游艇。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：除 Hong Kong International USA 外，您声称拥有的任何实体是否拥有任何资产？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：只有我的游艇。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：该项资产是否由 Hong Kong International USA 以外的任何实体持有？\n\n答：您指的是游艇，我的游艇吗？\n\n问：我问的是，除 Hong Kong International USA 外，您拥有并控制的其他实体中是否有任何实体对 Lady May（“五月女士”号）拥有权益？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：那么，是否可以说——撤回这个问题。\n\n您是否设立了您拥有并控制的这些其他实体——\n\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：——除 Hong Kong International USA 外？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：它们不是由我设立的。\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文书 1797-8，提交于 05/16/23，登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24，第 64 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：它们是由谁设立的？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您如何取得这些实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：它们被转让给我。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：谁将这些实体转让给您？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：管理家庭基金的人。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：哪些人？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我不记得具体的人。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您能记起任何将您现在拥有的其中一家公司转让给您的人吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：能。HKI。这家公司是由 Qu女士（曲女士）转让给我的。\n\n口译员：拼写为 Q-U。\n\n第 64 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：除 Hong Kong International 外，您能否告诉我任何将您声称拥有的其中一个实体转让给您的人？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：除 Hong Kong International 外，为何将这些您声称拥有的实体中的任何一个转让给您？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：这样我可以协助管理公司。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：这些公司中有任何公司在运营吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：目前没有。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：自她持有这些公司以来，它们是否曾经运营过？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，问题形式不当。\n\n答：尚未。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：那么，如果它们没有运营，您如何管理它们？\n\nTSG 速记服务——全球范围 全球范围 ·· 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 66 页，共 211 页\n\n第65页\nM. Guo（郭）\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦先生）：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：没有。\nLUFT先生（卢夫特先生）询问：\n问：为明确起见，这些实体中是否有任何一家——嗯，您告诉我 Hong Kong International（香港国际）没有银行账户。\n\n您声称拥有的其他任何这些实体是否有银行账户？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您是否记得其中任何一家是否拥有任何资产？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：好的。除 Hong Kong International 外，由谁作出决定，将您声称拥有的那些实体转让给您？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：家族基金的人。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：哪些人？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 67 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第66页\n\n答：当时，这是通过与所有人协商达成的决定。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：具体而言，是哪些人作出决定，将这些没有资产和经营活动的公司转让至您名下？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n口译员：口译员能否请证人澄清是单数还是复数？\nLUFT先生：可以。\n答：我的叔叔们，还有我本人。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：哪些叔叔？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：当时，是我父亲的第五个和第六个哥哥。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：这些就是您不知道姓名的同一批叔叔吗？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：对。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：他们为什么设立这些公司？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 68 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第67页\n\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不知道。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您说您与他们进行过讨论。\n\n这些公司被转让至您名下的原因是什么？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议，已问已答。\n答：具体原因是，2017年，我回到了美国。因此，与他们相比，我的人身安全更有保障。因此，决定先将它们转让给我。\n\n还有，因为当时我在管理盘古广场，这是我作为家族基金一部分的职责。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您知道这些公司在哪个国家注册成立吗？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：可能是香港。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您拥有任何汽车吗？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n口译员：抱歉。我没有听懂。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 69 页，共 211 页\n\n第68页\nM. Guo\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您拥有任何汽车吗？\n答：没有。我不会开车。\n问：您控制的任何实体是否有以其名义登记的汽车？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：家族基金是否控制任何位于美国的汽车？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不知道。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您控制的任何公司是否将飞机作为资产持有？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：曾经有过。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您控制的哪些公司曾将飞机作为资产持有？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得名称。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第69页\nM. Guo\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：它们何时将该飞机作为资产持有？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我认为可能是在2017年或2018年。我不记得确切日期。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那架飞机后来怎样了？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我们实际上没有怎么使用它，而且它很难管理。因此，我们将其挂牌出售多年。最终它卖掉了。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：该飞机何时卖出？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：是去年夏天，并且它已挂牌出售多年。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：所以是刚过去的那个夏天？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：是。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：当您说“我们卖了它”时，“我们”是谁？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 71 页，共 211 页\n\n第70页\nM. Guo\n\n答：所以那会是口译员引入的一个词。我并没有特意说“我们”。口译员说了“我们”。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：好的。那么，2022年夏天由谁作出出售该飞机的决定？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您是在2022年夏天的何时出售该飞机的？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您把该飞机卖给了谁？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得我卖给的那一方的名称。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您以多少钱出售该飞机？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我认为超过10 million。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那些资金后来怎样了？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 72 页，共\n\nM. Guo\n\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我哥哥帮助我处理这些资金。我不知道具体情况。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您哥哥如何帮助您处理这些资金？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：他如何处理这些资金？我不确定我是否理解这是什么意思。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：嗯，您说您哥哥帮助您处理这些资金。所以我想了解；他做了什么？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：他帮我就价格进行谈判，然后将其卖出。就这些。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您卖出后，那 $10 million 资金去了哪里？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：现在由某个第三方持有。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：哪个第三方持有出售飞机所得的 $10 million？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 73 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第72页\n\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不知道。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您不知道一家由您拥有的公司所控制的飞机出售后，您收到的 $10 million 在哪里？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议，已问已答。\n答：我刚才提到是在某个第三方那里。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：哪个第三方？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不知道。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：鉴于您不知道持有该笔款项的第三方名称，如果您想取得那 $10 million，您会如何找到它？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我会问我哥哥。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：所以您现在并不知道谁持有那 $10 million？\nVARTAN先生：已问已答。\n答：我只是记不得他们的名称。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 74 页，共 211 页\n\n第73页\nM. Guo\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：是个人还是公司？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那 $10 million 的所有人是谁？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那 $10 million 是否有可能——撤回该问题。\n\n该出售是在何处完成的？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那是什么型号的飞机？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：具体型号，我认为可能是747。它相当大。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那是您曾与家人乘坐旅行过的飞机吗？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：是。我小时候在中国时，曾与家人乘坐它旅行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 75 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第74页\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那时您多大？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我当时是青少年。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：那么这架飞机有多老？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我认为它可能有15年。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您不记得在今年夏天出售之前，是您哪个实体持有那架飞机——\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：——在今年夏天出售之前？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我记不起全名。我认为可能是 Whitcraft（惠特克拉夫特）。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您最后一次乘坐该飞机是什么时候？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第75页\nM. Guo\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：您父亲最后一次乘坐该飞机是什么时候？\nVARTAN先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n答：我也不记得。\nLUFT先生询问：\n问：好的。Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国）是否提交纳税申报表？\n答：是。\n问：它在哪里提交纳税申报表？\n答：在纽约。我不确定。\n问：您是否有那些纳税申报表的副本？\n答：目前没有。\n问：谁持有那些纳税申报表的副本？\n答：为我办理税务的人。\n问：您在香港期间，Hong Kong International 是否提交——它是否提交纳税申报表？\n答：我不知道。\n问：您知道为什么Vartan先生会写信给 O'Melveny & Myers（奥迈尔文律师事务所），并告诉他们 Hong Kong International 不提交纳税申报表吗？\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n答：我现在实际上有点困惑。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 77 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭文贵） 第76页\n\n现在我们谈的是 Hong Kong International（香港国际），对吗？\n\n由 LUFT 先生（卢夫先生）询问：\n\n问：不是。Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国公司）。\n\n您知道为什么 Vartan 先生（瓦尔坦先生）会在 2021 年告诉 O'Melveny & Myers（奥麦文律师事务所），Hong Kong International USA 不提交纳税申报表吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：那是因为这家公司现在没有任何利润。\n\n我想我之前可能自己弄错了，因为我确实不记得有关税务的细节。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您说您弄错了，是什么意思？Hong Kong International USA 是否提交纳税申报表？\n\n答：我不——我确实不确定。\n\n问：好的。您声称 Lady May（“梅夫人”号）是作为礼物赠与您的，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否在任何国家为税务目的将其申报为礼物？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第78页，共\n\nM. Guo 第77页\n\n再次说明，如果这要求披露律师意见或与律师的谈话，您不得披露。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您不知道自己是否申报过——让我说得非常清楚。\n\n您本人或 Hong Kong International 是否曾在美国提交的税务申报中，为税务目的将 Lady May 申报为礼物？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。同样提醒，如果这涉及——\n\nLUFT 先生：这是一个只能回答“是”或“否”的问题，律师。这些异议完全不当。\n\n律师，问她是否在税务申报中申报了它，不存在特权问题。对吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：如果她的律师指示她做某件事——\n\nLUFT 先生：不。我并没有问她获得了什么建议。我问的是“是”或“否”，某件事是否发生过。\n\n律师，这不当。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第79页，共211页\n\n第78页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN 先生：我有权提出异议。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：请继续，Guo 女士（郭女士）。请回答问题。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否曾为在香港提交税务申报之目的，将 Lady May 申报为礼物？\n\nVARTAN 先生：同样异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：据您所知，是否有任何国家，您曾为提交税务申报之目的将 Lady May 申报为礼物？\n\nVARTAN 先生：同样异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：好的。您是否认识一位名叫 Yvette Wang（王悦）的女士？\n\n答：是。我认识她。\n\n问：王女士是谁？\n\n答：她是我的朋友，也曾在我哥哥的公司工作。\n\n问：那是哪家公司？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo\n\n（庭外进行了讨论。）\n\n口译员：口译员予以更正。证人说的是：“她为我哥哥工作。”\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：王女士为您哥哥做什么工作？\n\n答：她在我哥哥的家族基金办公室工作。\n\n问：您哥哥的家族基金办公室叫什么名称？\n\n答：Golden Spring, New York（纽约金泉）。\n\n问：她现在仍在那里工作吗？\n\n答：不。\n\n问：她现在在哪里工作？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：她何时不再在那里工作？\n\n答：我不知道确切时间。\n\n问：您能作出的最佳估计是什么？\n\n答：去年。\n\n问：是在您父亲宣布破产之前还是之后？\n\n答：我想是在之后。\n\n问：王女士在您父亲宣布破产后多久离开 Golden Spring 的工作？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第81页，共211页\n\n第80页 M. Guo\n\n问：Golden Spring？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您知道王女士的电话号码吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您知道王女士住在哪里吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：如果您必须给她寄一封信，您会寄到什么地址？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不给她写信。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您有她的电子邮件地址吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：除王女士外，还有谁在 Golden Spring 工作？\n\n答：很多人。我不知道他们的姓名。\n\n问：除王女士外，您是否知道任何曾在 Golden Spring 工作过的人的姓名？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第82页，共\n\nM. Guo 第81页\n\n问：您最后一次见到王女士是什么时候？\n\n答：上个月。\n\n现在是 1 月，对吗？已经一两个月了。\n\n问：您在哪里见到王女士？\n\n答：在 Connecticut（康涅狄格州）。\n\n问：在您父母家？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您认为王女士诚实吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：是。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：诚实可信吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n我确实不明白，您知道，这些问题。\n\nLUFT 先生：Vartan 先生——\n\nVARTAN 先生：到目前为止，这些问题已经太离题了——我是说，我们一整天都很离题，但这些问题尤其完全超出范围。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您可以回答。\n\n答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第82页 M. Guo\n\n问：如果王女士称她曾工作的一家实体实际上由 Kwok 先生（郭文贵先生）控制，您是否有任何理由相信她没有说实话？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：她是在何时、何地这么说的？\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：我只是问您，如果她作出陈述称她曾工作的一家实体实际上由您父亲控制，您是否有任何理由相信她没有说实话？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。如果您有希望与证人分享的该陈述副本，请尽管提供。但这些，您知道，是不公平的问题。您是在提出层层假设的问题。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您可以回答。\n\n答：我想看那份文件。\n\n问：我只是问您一个问题。\n\n如果那是她所说的，您是否有任何理由相信她没有说实话？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。她已经回答了您的问题。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第83页 M. Guo\n\n答：我没有看过这个东西，也不知道她是否确实这么说过。我确实无法说她是否没有说实话。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您认识一个名叫 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）的人吗？\n\n答：是，我认识。\n\n问：Krasner 先生是谁？\n\n答：在我哥哥的公司 Golden Spring 工作的人。\n\n问：抱歉。让我退回一步。\n\n王女士是否曾为您或您的某一家公司工作？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否曾授权王女士代表您或您的某一家公司采取行动？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Krasner 先生在 Golden Spring 做什么工作？\n\n答：我不确定具体情况。可能是管理工作。\n\n问：Krasner 先生现在仍在 Golden Spring 工作吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第85页，共\n\nM. Guo 第84页\n\n答：不。\n\n问：Krasner 先生何时不再在 Golden Spring 工作？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您最好的记忆是什么？\n\n答：也是去年。\n\n问：是在您父亲宣布破产之前还是之后？\n\n答：之后。\n\n问：您知道 Krasner 先生现在在哪里工作吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您最后一次与 Krasner 先生交谈是什么时候？\n\n答：去年。\n\n问：您是否曾就 Hong Kong International 与 Krasner 先生交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否曾就 Hong Kong International 与王女士交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您认识一个名叫 Fiona Yu（菲奥娜·余）的人吗？\n\n答：听起来非常熟悉，但我不记得。\n\n问：Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）呢？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第86页，共\n\n第85页 M. Guo\n\n答：我想这个人可能也是 Golden Spring 的一名员工。\n\n问：您是否曾与 Podhaskie 先生有任何业务往来？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否曾——您是否曾就 Hong Kong International 与 Podhaskie 先生交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：Podhaskie 先生目前在 Golden Spring 工作吗？\n\n答：不。\n\n问：您是否曾与王女士有任何业务往来？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您最后一次与 Podhaskie 先生交谈是什么时候？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：Aaron Mitchell（阿伦·米切尔）是谁？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：Mitchell 先生何时开始担任您的律师？\n\n答：已经很多年了。\n\n问：他最初何时开始成为您的律师？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 记录服务）－全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第87页，共\n\nM. Guo 第86页\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您为什么聘请 Mitchell 先生？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：因为我需要 Mitchell 先生。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您是否知道 Mitchell 先生也是您父亲的律师？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Mitchell 先生目前是您的律师吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：在 PAX（PAX）与您父亲之间的 PAX 诉讼期间，Mitchell 先生是您的律师吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您认识 Melissa Francis（梅丽莎·弗朗西斯）吗？\n\n答：不认识。\n\n问：您是否曾通过 Golden Spring 与 Melissa Francis 有任何往来？\n\nVARTAN 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n她刚刚说过她不认识 Melissa Francis。\n\n答：没有。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：如果我告诉您，Francis 女士是——\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交，于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第88页，共211页\n\n第87页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n郭美曾担任Golden Spring（金泉）的总法律顾问，这是否会唤起您的记忆？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：好的。我们将把我相信您会告诉我是您就Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund（太平洋联盟亚洲机会基金）诉Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）、Genever Holdings（Genever控股）及Genever Holdings Corporation（Genever控股公司）诉讼而向Supreme Court of the State of New York（纽约州最高法院）提交的宣誓书副本，标记为Mei Guo（郭美）证言证物1。\n\n（截至本日，Mei Guo证物1已被收取并标记作识别之用。）\n\n答：（证人审阅文件。）\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭女士，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：如果我们翻到第6页中的第5页，这是您的签名吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您在这份提交给纽约州最高法院的宣誓书中所写的一切，是否真实且准确？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n第88页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您今天坐在这里，是否有任何希望更改这份宣誓书中的内容？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：显然，如果您需要完整阅读它，您有能力这样做。\n\n答：让我看一下。\n\n（证人审阅文件。）\n\n我看完了。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：现在您已重新阅读整份宣誓书，其中是否有任何您认为不准确的内容？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：其中是否有任何您希望更改的内容？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：如果您被传唤作为与本案诉讼有关的听证会证人，您是否会作出与您在这份宣誓书中陈述相同的证言？\n\n答：是，我会。\n\n问：除这份宣誓书所载内容外，如果您被传唤作为该听证会的证人，您今天坐在这里，是否还有任何其他内容打算在Manning法官于破产法院举行的听证会上作证？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n第89页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。她怎么可能回答这个问题？\n\n答：我不太明白这个问题。\n\n这是否意味着，如果我在法院会说与我今天在这里所说相同的事情？\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：也许我换一种方式提问。\n\n在撰写您提交给纽约州最高法院的这份声明时，您是否打算列入您认为法院应当知悉的、关于HK International USA（香港国际美国公司）以及您就Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）主张所有权的一切相关事实？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：是。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：您今天坐在这里，是否知悉任何其他您认为破产法院应当了解的、关于HK International USA以及您主张HK International USA是Lady May所有人的事实？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件1797-8 提交日期05/16/23 录入日期05/16/23 23:52:24 第91页，共\n\n第90页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。她怎么可能回答这个问题？\n\n如果您有一个具体问题——\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，停下。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我的意思是，这不是一个允许提出的问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：这完全是一个允许提出的问题。我厌倦了您浪费时间。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我没有浪费任何时间。\n\n这是一个无法回答的问题。您是在要求她从时间开始之初——\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生？不是。我说的是“今天坐在这里”。\n\n请听我的问题。不要打断。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭女士，请回答我的问题。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我看不出她怎么可能回答那个问题。我不知道任何人怎么能回答。但是如果您能——\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，我们是否必须去法院？我厌倦了每次我提问之前，您都对证人说“那不是您可能回答得了的问题”。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件1797-8 提交日期05/16/23 录入日期05/16/23 23:52:24 第92页，共\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我不知道任何人——我甚至无法回答那个问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：嗯，您猜怎么着？您不了解任何事实，所以这并不令我惊讶。今天不是对您进行证言录取。她才是事实证人。\n\n请让她在不受您干扰的情况下回答问题。\n\n答：我不太确定这个问题是什么。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：您的律师已将您列为即将举行的PJR听证会的证人。\n\n您知道这件事吗？\n\n答：知道。\n\n问：您是否打算在PJR听证会上，就您提起的诉讼以及针对受托人提出的反诉提供证言？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：除已标记为Mei Guo证言证物1、即您的宣誓书中所载的事实外，您是否还打算就PJR听证会向破产法院提供任何其他支持性证言事实？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件1797-8 提交日期05/16/23 录入日期05/16/23 23:52:24 第93页，共211页\n\n第92页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对该问题的形式提出异议。\n\n答：目前没有。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：我们将把我相信您会告诉我是2022年2月2日Ostrager法官在PAX诉Genever Holdings诉讼中举行的听证会记录副本，标记为Mei Guo证言证物2。\n\n（截至本日，Mei Guo证物2已被收取并标记作识别之用。）\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：郭女士，您出席了这次听证会，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否全程参加了听证会？\n\n答：不是全程。只是在需要我时。\n\n问：瓦尔坦先生在该听证会上代理您吗？\n\n答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件1797-8 提交日期05/16/23 录入日期05/16/23 23:52:24 第94页，共211页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：您知道瓦尔坦先生代表Hong Kong International（香港国际）出庭，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：瓦尔坦先生在听证会上将您作为证人提出？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：瓦尔坦先生在听证会上还代表Hong Kong International提出了其他证人，对吗？\n\n答：我不太记得。\n\n问：您记得瓦尔坦先生也在听证会上代理您吗？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：您记得一个名叫Russell Stockil（罗素·斯托基尔）的人吗？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：斯托基尔先生是谁？\n\n答：负责我游艇管理公司的人员。\n\n问：您记得瓦尔坦先生在听证会上将斯托基尔先生作为证人提出吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：请您翻到听证会记录第76页。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件1797-8 提交日期05/16/23 录入日期05/16/23 23:52:24 第95页，共\n\n第94页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n具体而言，我要请您看第9至12行。\n\n您看到向斯托基尔先生提出的问题是：\n\n“您在第3段所指的代表，即联系您的HK USA代表，没有一位是Mei Guo女士，对吗？”\n\n“是的，没错。”\n\n您看到该证言了吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：是否有任何理由认为斯托基尔先生的证言不真实或不准确？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：您知道代表HK USA联系斯托基尔先生的是哪位HK USA代表吗？\n\n答：我认为有一位Max。是否还有其他人，我不知道。\n\n问：您所指的是Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：所以，马克斯·克拉斯纳是就Lady May联系斯托基尔先生的人？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件1797-8 提交日期05/16/23 录入日期05/16/23 23:52:24 第96页，共211页\n\n第95页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n您问的是关于该证言，还是总体而言？\n\n答：这里写的是“代表”。所以我认为可能有几个人，但我不太记得具体是谁。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：除克拉斯纳先生外，您能否想起任何获授权就Lady May与斯托基尔先生交谈的人？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：如果您翻到第78页，您会看到第20行向斯托基尔先生提问：\n\n“您也从未见过或与她交谈过，”这里指的是Mei Guo，“对吗？”\n\n“是的，没错。”\n\n斯托基尔先生的证言，即您从未见过或与他交谈过，是否准确？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：是截至该日期，还是直到现在？\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：我们先只说截至该日期。\n\n答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件1797-8 提交日期05/16/23 录入日期05/16/23 23:52:24 第97页，共\n\n第96页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：您曾与斯托基尔先生交谈过吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：请您看该页底部。\n\n从第25行开始，写道：\n\n“关于Lady May航行的一切指示，均由郭女士通过其代表发出。这是否意味着，关于Lady May航行的任何指示均非由郭女士直接发出？”\n\n“回答：不，不是直接向我们发出。它们通过家族办公室发出，这是正确的。”\n\n随后他将其确定为Golden Spring。\n\n您是否同意如下证言是真实的：关于Lady May航行的任何指示，并非由您直接向斯托基尔先生及其公司发出？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我同意。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：您是否看到在第——\n\n宋女士：您是在问那是否\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务）— 全球 877-702-9580\n\n第97页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n……真实的证词，但口译员询问她是否同意，即 Guo 女士是否同意该说法。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特）：可以。我不作此区分。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：好的。你看到第79页第16行了吗：\n\n“VARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦）：法官阁下，接下来我们传唤 Momchil Ivanov（莫姆奇尔·伊万诺夫）。”\n\n你知道 Ivanov 先生是谁吗？\n\n答：当时的船长。\n\n问：如果你翻到第81页，看第17行。对 Ivanov 先生的提问是：\n\n“我只是想弄清楚，你是否曾与 Mei Guo（郭美）女士见过面或交谈过。”\n\n“答：没有直接见过或交谈过，先生。”\n\n有什么理由认为 Ivanov 先生的证词不真实或不准确吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：反对。\n\n答：我不太确定。可能是所用语言的问题。因为这里说我们没有交谈过，但据我记得，我们互相发送过信息。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第98页 M. Guo\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Ivanov 先生说他从未见过你。在他作出该证词时，这是真的吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：是的，截至作证时，你从未见过 Ivanov 先生；对吗？\n\n答：对。我们从未见过面。\n\n问：截至目前，你曾见过 Ivanov 先生吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Ivanov 先生何时不再担任 Lady May 号游艇的船长？\n\n答：我认为可能是在疫情期间。当时他只在欧洲担任船长。所以我从未见过他。\n\n问：你不记得 Lady May 号游艇的船长何日离职吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：那么，你同意 Ivanov 先生所述，他从未直接收到你发出的命令或指示？\n\nVARTAN 先生：Luft 先生，你正在读哪一处？\n\nLUFT 先生：第22至24行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第100页，共211页\n\n第99页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN 先生：谢谢。\n\n答：我同意。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：你曾见过——你知道 Craig Heaslop（克雷格·希斯洛普）是谁吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：Heaslop，H-E-A-S-L-O-P。\n\n答：知道。他是在我的游艇上工作时间最长的船长。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Vartan 先生也在该听证会上将他传唤为证人，对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。我不清楚细节。\n\n问：翻到第83页。\n\n你看到有一行写道：\n\n“VARTAN 先生：法官阁下，被告将传唤 Craig Heaslop 出庭作证”吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：Vartan 先生在此所指的被告是你的父亲，对吗？\n\n答：请等一下。在哪一行？\n\n问：第1至2行；你可以一直读到第6行。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第100页 M. Guo\n\n答：好的。\n\n请您重复一下问题好吗？\n\n问：当然。\n\nVartan 先生说：“法官阁下，被告将传唤 Craig Heaslop 出庭作证”时，他所指的被告是你的父亲，对吗？\n\n答：我有点困惑。我不确定。\n\n问：HK International（香港国际）是本案诉讼中的被告吗？\n\n答：这是去年的事，对吗？\n\n问：是。这是 2022年2月2日，PAX 对你父亲、Genever Holdings Corp.（杰纳弗控股公司）和 Genever Holdings LLC（杰纳弗控股有限责任公司）提起的诉讼。\n\n答：所以你是在问我，我们是否是被告，对吗？我的意思是，当我说“我们”时，是指 HKI。\n\n问：我的问题是，Vartan 先生说被告将传唤 Craig Heaslop，而我只是想确认，你的理解是他所指的被告是你的父亲 Kwok 先生，对吗？\n\n答：我不确定这些法律用语。\n\n问：当然。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第102页，共211页\n\n第101页 M. Guo\n\n你父亲在本次审判中的律师是 Vartan 先生吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：他代表你和 Hong Kong International（香港国际），对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：你认识 Heaslop 先生吗？\n\n答：认识。\n\n问：你知道他是诚实的吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：反对。\n\n答：据我所知，是的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：我想请你看一段证词，请翻到第87页。\n\n答：（证人照办。）\n\n问：从第21行开始。\n\nHeaslop 先生是该船的船长，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：你看到第21行中，证人就 Kwok 先生说道：\n\n“他如往常一样，整个夏季都断断续续在游艇上。具体日期我无法告诉你。”\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第103页，共211页\n\n第102页 M. Guo\n\n实际上，我撤回那一点。让我们从第17行开始，以便了解上下文。\n\n“法院：在 2020年10月之前，你记得 Kwok 先生最后一次在游艇上是什么时候？”\n\n“证人：在 2020年10月之前？”\n\n“法院：是。”\n\n“证人：他如往常一样，整个夏季都断断续续在游艇上。具体日期，事后我无法告诉你他们何时来、何时离开。”\n\n“法院：他在7月份有相当长一部分时间在游艇上吗？”\n\n“证人：那时是 COVID。是的，他在。”\n\n你有什么理由认为 Heaslop 先生关于你的——你父亲在 2020年7月期间登上 Lady May 号游艇频率的证词有任何不准确之处吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：反对。\n\n答：这是准确的。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第104页，共211页\n\n第103页 M. Guo\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：法院接着问道：\n\n“2020年8月期间呢？”\n\n“证人：是。”\n\n“法院：2020年9月期间呢？”\n\n“证人：我相信是的。”\n\n再次是在问你的父亲在该月是否有相当长一部分时间在 Lady May 号游艇上。\n\n你有什么理由认为 Heaslop 先生关于8月和9月的证词不准确吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：反对。\n\n答：这是准确的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：如果我们看第13行，法院问 Heaslop 女士：\n\n“在 Kwok 先生和 Guo 女士之间，你会如何比较他们各自在 2020年7月、8月、9月期间待在游艇上的时间长短？”\n\n“证人：在那些月份——”\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第105页，共211页\n\n第104页 M. Guo\n\n“Kwok 先生在游艇上花的时间比 Guo 女士多。”\n\n“法院：多很多还是多一点？”\n\n“证人：多很多。”\n\nGuo 女士，你有什么理由认为我刚才向你读出的 Heaslop 先生证词不真实或不准确吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：反对。\n\n答：这是准确的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：翻到第89页。如果你看第10至14行：\n\n“问题：你宣誓书第17段称，你后来与 Hong Kong USA（香港美国）的一名代表进行了交谈，并确认该游艇在纽约已不再需要。那个人不是 Mei Guo，对吗？”\n\n“答：不是。”\n\nGuo 女士，这是否是准确的证词，即事实上，你不是告诉 Heaslop 船长该游艇在纽约已不再需要的人？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第106页，共211页\n\n第105页 M. Guo\n\nVARTAN 先生：反对。\n\n答：是真的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：好的。如果你翻到第93页，曾就你父亲何时登上 Lady May 号游艇向 Heaslop 船长提问。\n\n你也可以看第2行。上面写道：\n\n“我要问你的问题是：他在船上时，他会指挥游艇的航行，对吗？我不是说他亲自驾驶，而是他会告诉你他想去哪里？”\n\n“答：是的。”\n\n你看到该证词了吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：你有什么理由认为该证词不真实或不准确吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：反对。\n\n答：没有。这是真的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：好的。我将请你翻到第95页。\n\n如果我们看——第12行，法院问道：\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第107页，共211页\n\n第106页 M. Guo\n\n“你确实曾作证，先生”——这里再次指 Heaslop 船长——“在 2020年7月、8月、9月期间，Kwok 先生是游艇上的常客，而且推定他会告诉你他想去哪里？”\n\n“证人：是的，法官阁下。客人使用这艘船时，会在北部区域或南部区域作本地航行。他们会就任何一天想去哪里、想做什么作出指示。\n\n“我的意思是——我所说的没有指示，是指游艇在东北部和东南部之间季节性调遣的情况。那是由办公室决定的。”\n\n“法院：我明白了。因此，如果 Kwok 先生想去 Nantucket（楠塔基特），你会带他去那里？”\n\n“证人：当然会，是的。”\n\n“法院：如果他想去 Maine（缅因州）的 Bar Harbor（巴港），你会带他去——”\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073，文件 1797-8，提交日期 05/16/23，登记日期 05/16/23 23:52:24，第108页，共211页\n\n第107页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n“地点是缅因州巴港？”\n\n证人：是。\n\n您是否有任何理由认为，希斯洛普船长（Captain Heaslop）就法院提问所作的证言在任何方面不真实或不准确？\n\nVARTAN 律师（瓦尔坦律师）：反对。您是否想让她阅读第96页第6行之前的内容？我只是想为我自己的记录注明这一点。\n\nLUFT 律师（卢夫特律师）：你有笔录。你可以阅读。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：请继续回答，郭女士。\n\nVARTAN 律师：只是问一个简单的问题。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT 律师：我们休会吃午饭吧。\n\nVARTAN 律师：好的。\n\n录像员：现在是下午2:04。我们停止记录。\n\n（下午2:04休会用午餐。）\n\n（下午2:58恢复证言录取。）\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 109 of 211\n\n第108页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n下午场\n\n录像员：现在是下午2:58。我们恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：郭女士，我先前问过您有关 Hong Kong International（香港国际公司）及其是否报税的问题。\n\n我忘记问您：您是否在本国缴纳所得税？\n\nVARTAN 律师：反对。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：您去年申报过任何收入吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：反对。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：该收入的来源是什么？\n\nVARTAN 律师：反对。\n\n答：Pangu CEO（盘古首席执行官）。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：您告诉我，Pangu Plaza（盘古广场）一年前被扣押了。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 110 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：在其被扣押后，您是否仍继续以 Pangu 的 CEO 身份领取报酬？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否有您在本国提交的纳税申报表副本？\n\n答：我现在没有。\n\n问：谁有？\n\n答：在家里。在我家里。\n\n问：您家里有副本？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。自您于2017年取得 Hong Kong International（香港国际公司）以来，您是否从该公司获得过任何收入或收益？\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT 律师：我们尚未收到郭女士纳税资料的副本。我们已要求提供。我再次要求你们将其交给我们。\n\nVARTAN 律师：好的。您可以书面提交。我们将予以考虑。\n\nLUFT 律师：我已经书面提交了。你们有关于该等资料的待处理请求。我要求你们将其交出。\n\nVARTAN 律师：嗯，我不知道是否提出了异议。我推定提出过。但我当然会查看。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 111 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第110页\n\n证人：所以我有一个问题。我的个人所得税与本案有什么关系？\n\nVARTAN 律师：您不必——这就是我的异议。我们会确保提出该异议。\n\n证人：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：郭女士，您父亲于2006年创立了 Hong Kong International（香港国际公司），对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：并且，直至2014年10月，您父亲拥有并控制 Hong Kong International，对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：并且，您父亲于2014年10月将 Hong Kong International 转让给 Qu 女士（曲女士），对吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您作出证言称——撤回。\n\n您于2017年来到本国时，曲女士是 Hong Kong International 的唯一成员，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：您是否知道，在您父亲于2014年10月将 Hong Kong International 转让给曲女士之后、以及您来到美国之前的任何时间，是否有曲女士以外的任何人是 Hong Kong International 的成员？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 112 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否知道，在2014年10月至她于2017年将该公司转让给您期间，曲女士是否与任何人就 Hong Kong International 的控制权订立过任何协议？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是如何认识——您首次何时认识曲女士？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您对首次记得认识曲女士的时间，最确切的记忆是什么？\n\n答：我在中国的时候。\n\n问：您能否更具体一些？\n\n当时您是小女孩、青少年，还是成年人？\n\n答：我是成年人。\n\n问：您是如何认识曲女士的？\n\n答：她与我哥哥一起工作。\n\n问：她何时与您哥哥一起工作？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 113 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第112页\n\n问：她在哪里与您哥哥一起工作？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：她在哪个国家与您哥哥一起工作？\n\n答：关于那个我也不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾见过您哥哥和曲女士一起工作？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：曲女士和您哥哥从事什么业务？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您哥哥是否向您介绍过曲女士？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您在哪里认识曲女士？\n\nVARTAN 律师：反对，已问已答。\n\n答：在中国。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：在中国哪里？\n\n答：北京。\n\n问：在北京哪里？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得您在2014年之前认识曲女士？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 114 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第113页\n\n答：2014年之前，我不记得。\n\n问：您是否知道曲女士曾是您父亲的行政助理？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否知道曲女士曾是您父亲的客户经理？\n\n答：不。我不知道。不，我不知道。\n\n问：您在您的宣誓书中陈述：\n\n“我了解到，曲女士是我哥哥以及我叔叔和堂表亲属所信赖的商业伙伴。”\n\n该了解的依据是什么？\n\nVARTAN 律师：您正在读哪一段？\n\nLUFT 律师：第8段。\n\nVARTAN 律师：谢谢。\n\nSONG 女士（宋女士）：口译员女士，我认为您没有完成对整个问题的翻译。\n\n口译员：我以为我完成了。我漏掉了哪一部分？\n\nSONG 女士：“我坦率地说，该了解的依据是什么。”\n\n答：我哥哥告诉我的。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 115 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第114页\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：他告诉了您什么？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：他何时告诉您这件事？\n\n答：所以我认为是在曲女士来到美国之前。\n\n问：那是什么时候？\n\n答：2017。\n\n问：您哥哥为什么对您这么说？\n\nVARTAN 律师：反对。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：因此，您对于曲女士是否是您哥哥以及您叔叔和堂表亲属所信赖的商业伙伴，没有亲身了解，只有您哥哥告诉您的内容，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：反对。\n\n答：对。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：谁为您起草了已标记为证物1的声明？\n\nVARTAN 律师：反对。\n\n答：是这一份，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 116 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第115页\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：是的，女士。\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：哪位律师？\n\n答：Lee（李律师）。\n\n问：好的。当您说“我的叔叔和我的堂表亲属”时，您指的是哪些叔叔和堂表亲属？\n\n这是在您宣誓书声明的第8段。\n\n答：那指的是我先前提到的人，即我父亲的第四、第五和第六位哥哥。\n\n问：您是否知道曲女士与那些叔叔订立过任何商业交易？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n口译员：律师，您刚才说的是郭女士还是郭先生，或者是谁？\n\nLUFT 律师：曲女士。\n\n口译员：哦。更正口译员刚才的翻译。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：您是否知道——撤回。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 117 of 211\n\n第116页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n问：您是否知道曲女士据称是哪几位堂表亲属所信赖的商业伙伴？\n\n答：所以，这将是与我今天上午所作回答相同的答案。我不想在这里披露他们的姓名。\n\nLUFT 律师：我要求您——再次，我希望暂时保留这个问题；如果您要——您是否要指示她不作答？\n\nVARTAN 律师：是。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。暂时保留该问题。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：您是否知道曲女士与您的任何堂表亲属进行过任何商业交易？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：曲女士大约多大？\n\n答：超过30岁。\n\n问：是远超过30岁，还是略超过30岁？\n\n答：我认为接近40岁。远超过30岁。她应当比我年长。\n\n问：好的。2014年——那么，您记得您哥哥哪一年大学毕业吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您同意，2016年时，您哥哥大约26岁？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG 速记服务公司）— 全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 118 of 211\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第117页\n\n答：我不这么认为。\n\n问：你认为他在2016年时多大？\n\n答：我认为他当时30岁。\n\n问：你哥哥出生于何时？\n\n答：天哪。86年或87年。我不太确定。\n\n问：好的。Lady May（“五月女士”号）是由Hong Kong International（香港国际）购买的，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：那是在——\n\n口译员：购买？\n\n律师，您说的是“购买”，对吗？\n\nLUFT先生：是。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：那是在2015年2月，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而当时，Hong Kong International已由你父亲转让给Qu女士，对吗？\n\n答：2015年，是的。\n\n问：是在2015年2月他们购买Lady May时，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：而Hong Kong International被转让了。\n\nQu女士据你所知，没有为Hong Kong International向你父亲支付任何款项？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你知道购买Lady May花了多少钱吗？\n\n答：超过2,000万欧元。\n\n问：而支付Hong Kong International购买Lady May的款项并非来自Qu女士，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：你知道Hong Kong International用于购买Lady May的资金来自何处吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你在你的宣誓书第9段中陈述，该宣誓书为证物1：\n\n“自购买之时起，鉴于我对海洋的热爱，Lady May一直意欲作为我的船。事实上，它以我的名字命名。”\n\n你看到你在宣誓书中写下了这些内容吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：现在，当Hong Kong International购买Lady May时，Hong Kong International登记在Qu女士名下，而非你任何家庭成员名下，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Qu女士是否曾告诉你，她为何让Hong Kong International于2015年2月购买Lady May？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：所以，当你说“Lady May一直意欲作为我的船”时，对于Hong Kong International购买Lady May时的意图，你并无任何亲身知情，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我知道购买Lady May的意图。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：如果Qu女士从未告诉你Hong Kong International为何购买Lady May，那么Hong Kong International的谁告诉你其为何购买Lady May？\n\n答：我哥哥告诉我的。\n\n问：你哥哥在Hong Kong International没有任何职务，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：而你哥哥并不是购买Lady May的人，对吗？\n\n答：这不对。他是购买它的人。\n\n问：你是说，并非Hong Kong International购买了Lady May，而是你哥哥购买了它？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，歪曲证词。\n\n答：是谁以及如何——是谁购买Lady May以及如何购买，我不知道具体情况。我所知道的只是，我哥哥买下这艘游艇作为送给我的礼物。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：但你哥哥并不是购买Lady May的人，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议，歪曲证词。\n\n答：我不明白你的问题。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：你已作证称，Hong Kong International于2015年2月购买了Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：我的理解是，这家公司拥有该船。\n\n问：Hong Kong International于2015年2月拥有该船，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：事实上，在Lady May于2017年6月被转让给你之前，你哥哥并未参与Lady May的任何转让，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：那么，如果你翻到听证会记录第47页，即证物2。\n\n答：四十七？第47页，对吗？\n\n问：第47页。我们从第46页第22行开始。你陈述：\n\n“法官阁下，是从Hong Kong International转给Qu女士，然后转让给我。它从未转让给我哥哥。”\n\n“法庭：所以，在Qu女士从Hong Kong International取得该船后，你从Qu女士处取得该船，对吗？”\n\n“证人：是的，法官阁下。”\n\n“法庭：根据你的证词，在你取得该船之前，你哥哥没有参与任何转让？”\n\n“证人：对。”\n\n你向法庭作出的该证词是真实且准确的吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：我只是提出异议，仅提出异议。\n\n答：是的。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：你所作出的证词是真实且准确的，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：再次异议。我认为转让与购买之间存在混淆，但是——\n\nLUFT先生：先生，我是在宣读记录，并问其是否真实且准确。请不要加入新的措辞。我们确实正在——这里正变成一个大问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：我大部分时间都保持沉默。你谈论的是购买和转让。你谈论的是——\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，我读了一段证词，并问其是否真实且准确。她读的是同样的内容。\n\n我没有说“购买”一词。我直接在这里读了出来。上面写的是“转让”。这是法庭向她提出的问题，而她作出了回答。\n\n请停止试图干扰这份证词。\n\nVARTAN先生：我没有。\n\nLUFT先生：你在干扰，而且这完全不当。\n\nVARTAN先生：你是说，在此之前的引导性问题全都与购买有关。\n\nLUFT先生：天哪。Vartan先生——\n\n答：我记不起问题是什么了。\n\nLUFT先生：是的，我感觉我们最终会走到这一步。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：好的，Guo女士。回到你就法庭向你提出、我为你标出的那个问题所作的证词——即第46页第16行至第47页第7行——那是真实且准确的证词，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：2015年2月，你在哪里，Guo女士？\n\n答：中国北京。\n\n问：你在那里做什么？\n\n答：我遭到中国共产党（Chinese Communist Party）的迫害。\n\n问：当时你哥哥在哪里？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：他在英国，不是吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：他在中国吗？\n\n答：不在。\n\n问：他在香港吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：如果他是2015年2月的购买人，为什么你哥哥不将该船转让给自己？\n\n答：因为该船是为我购买的。因为在当时的一般情况下，我本人和我的所有家庭成员都受到中国共产党的迫害。\n\n我们拥有的一切都被冻结了。因此，不可能将其置于他的名下。\n\n问：但他不在中国，对吗？\n\n答：对。但中国共产党不会只盯上我们在中国拥有的东西。\n\n问：Qu女士在香港，不是吗？\n\n答：什么时候？\n\n问：2015年2月。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Lady May从未登记在你哥哥名下，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：而你哥哥从未持有Lady May的法定所有权？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：并且没有任何法律文件表明你哥哥曾持有Lady May的任何所有权权益，对吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：而你哥哥从未将Lady May转让给你，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：而Qu女士从未告诉你Hong Kong International为何购买Lady May，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：从未。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：我们称为Lady May的该艘游艇是在何时命名的？\n\n答：从一开始，当有意购买这艘船时，我哥哥就打算将其命名为Lady May。\n\n问：你知道实际为该船命名的人是谁吗？\n\n答：我刚才提到，是我哥哥。\n\n问：事实上，是你父亲将其命名为Lady May的，不是吗？\n\n答：不。是我哥哥。\n\n问：你怎么知道？\n\n答：他亲自告诉我的。\n\n问：他何时告诉你的？\n\n答：在我于2015年1月获中国共产党释放后收到的第一个电话中。\n\n问：所以，在任何人购买Lady May之前，他就告诉了你这件事？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：他告诉我，他会购买——\n\n第127页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：他二十多岁时从哪里得到钱给你买一艘船？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：现在，你称 Lady May 于 June 27, 2017 转让给你，当时你在美国，对吗？\n\n答：是的，是在 June，但是否是 27 日，我不知道。\n\n问：该转让是如何发生的？谁联系了谁？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：谁告诉你，Lady May 将从 Hong Kong International（香港国际公司）转让给你？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：该交易在哪里进行？\n\n答：纽约。\n\n问：在纽约哪里？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 129 of 211\n\n第128页 M. Guo\n\n问：当时谁在那里？\n\n答：曲女士（Ms. Qu）在那里。我不记得其他人。\n\n问：除曲女士外，你不记得还有其他人在场吗？\n\n答：不，我不记得；不是说没有其他人。\n\n问：你就该交易接受了律师的建议吗？\n\n答：我想可能接受了，但我不记得。\n\n问：你的律师是谁？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请法庭记录员将郭美证言证物 3 标记为一份带有 Bates 编号 HKI-14 至 20 的文件。\n\n（截至本日，郭美证物 3 已收取并标记为供识别。）\n\n罗姆尼先生（MR. ROMNEY）：你有额外的一份吗？如果没有也没关系。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，你认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：我以前见过。\n\n问：它是什么？\n\n答：这是什么，不是写在上面了吗？我认为这是 Lady May 的登记证书。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 130 of 211\n\n第129页 M. Guo\n\n问：你看到 HKI-18 上表明受让人是郭美吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：并且，你在该处列出的地址是 Majestic View Manor, 20 South Bay Road, Hong Kong，对吗？\n\n答：在哪里？\n\n问：就在顶部，“Address”项下。\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：我之前问过你该地址。\n\n这是否使你回忆起，事实上你曾居住在 20 South Bay Road, Hong Kong？\n\n答：我现在记得这个地址，但我从未居住在那里。\n\n问：为什么你在这些与出售 Lady May 和 Hong Kong International 有关的官方文件上将其列为你的地址？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：因为这个地址是我们在香港的家庭住址。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：意思是这是你父亲在香港的地址吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第130页 M. Guo\n\n答：不。这是我们全家的家庭住址。\n\n问：一百个人住在这个地址吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：不太可能有 100 个人同时去香港。但即使我们去了，那里也会有足够的空间。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：你是否在宣誓作证时证称，这不是你父亲在香港居住的地址？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。已问并已答。\n\n答：我没有这么说。我不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：这份文件上的所有印章日期均为 June 17——June 27, 2017。\n\n你看到了吗，那些圆形印章？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：并且，有来自香港的印章，对吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：如果你看这些圆形印章，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 132 of 211\n\n第131页 M. Guo\n\n有一个印章写着“Duty, Hong Kong, 27.6.17.”\n\n你看到了吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：你见过这个。你认为这笔交易可能是在香港完成的吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：不可能。我百分之百确定是在美国。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：你知道为什么这些文件上有香港印章吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：你为 Hong Kong International 及其资产 Lady May 向曲女士支付了多少钱？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：如果你看这份文件，它写着“1 Hong Kong dollar.”\n\n这是否使你回忆起来？\n\n答：是。我记得了。\n\n问：你知道你父亲何时指示曲女士将 Lady May 转让给你吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，歪曲证词。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第132页 M. Guo\n\n答：我父亲没有指示她。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：曲女士是否告诉你，你父亲没有指示她这样做？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：从未有过这段对话。她不需要告诉我。这根本没有发生。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，我们在这里说清楚。\n\n曲女士从未告诉你，她的父亲——即你的父亲，没有与她作出安排，将 Lady May 转让给你，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：这个问题中有很多否定。也许你想重新表述。\n\n卢夫特先生：再说一次，当我需要你的帮助时，我会问你。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：该问题完全不清楚。我正在读它。\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，你一定是一名很了不起的律师。我期待你的证言记录。在那之前，我将提问，等轮到你时，\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第133页 M. Guo\n\n你再提你的问题。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：如果你理解该问题，你可以回答。\n\n答：我不太理解这个问题。并非只是她没有告诉我我父亲没有作出该安排；她也没有告诉我我母亲没有作出该安排。\n\n我不知道为什么我父亲会出现在这段对话中。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，你知道纽约州最高法院认定你父亲是 Lady May 的实益所有人，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：你不知道州最高法院作出了一项裁定，认定你父亲是 Lady May 的实益所有人并对其拥有控制权吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：这是你的证词吗？\n\n答：我不记得我知道这件事。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 135 of 211\n\n第134页 M. Guo\n\n问：你记得我们一直在看的证词来自一场专门用于确定谁对 Lady May 拥有实益所有权和控制权的听证会吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：同样异议。\n\n答：是，我记得。\n\n译员：证人刚刚向译员解释，她是在回答问题。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：你记得得知该听证会的结果吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：你熟悉 Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国公司）这一实体吗？\n\n答：是，我熟悉它。\n\n问：这是一个于 April 17, 2020 设立的实体，对吗？\n\n答：是 2020 年，但我不记得确切时间。\n\n问：你想看一下你的声明第 11 段，并告诉我其中是否写着 April 17, 2020 吗？\n\n答：哪一段？\n\n问：是第 11 段，帮助你恢复记忆。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第135页 M. Guo\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：因此，自 June 27, 2017 曲女士将 Hong Kong International 和 Lady May 转让给你时起，直至 April 17, 2020，Lady May 在法律上由 Hong Kong International 所有，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：谁设立了 Hong Kong International USA？\n\n答：我自己。\n\n问：你何时这样做？\n\n答：我认为是在 2022 年初。我不记得确切时间。\n\n问：如果我告诉你，Hong Kong International USA 的公司文件表明它于 2018 年设立，这是否会使你回忆起它何时设立？\n\n答：我可以看一下这份文件吗？\n\n问：你不同意吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：她要求帮助恢复记忆。\n\n宋女士（MS. SONG）：我有一点澄清。我相信郭女士说的是 2020 年初，但译员说的是 2022 年初。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo\n\n答：我记不起来。\n\n译员：我想我确实说的是 2020 年。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，在 Hong Kong USA（香港美国公司）设立时，你也不是其唯一股东，对吗？\n\n答：我是。\n\n问：事实上，你是在 April 2019 成为 Hong Kong USA 的唯一股东；事实不是这样吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我只是提出异议。如果有文件你想给她看——\n\n卢夫特先生：瓦尔坦先生，停止打断我的询问。我没有问她文件的事。如果我想给她看一份，我会这样做。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：她向你要一份文件。\n\n卢夫特先生：不是这样运作的。\n\n答：我不记得。我得看这份文件。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：事实上，郭女士，今天坐在这里，你对——你不记得有关 Hong Kong USA 设立的任何事情，\n\n·2· ·正确吗？\n·3· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN（瓦尔坦先生）：· 只是歪曲了证词。\n·4· · · · 异议。\n·5· ·BY MR. LUFT（卢夫特先生）：\n·6· · · · 问：· 你知道Hong Kong USA（美国香港公司）何时成立吗？\n·7· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN：· 你是在问另一个\n·8· · · · 问题吗？\n·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT：· Vartan先生，停止。\n10· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN：· 有一个问题尚未答复。\n11· · · · 我只是想确保记录清楚。\n12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT：· 好的，Vartan先生。我将\n13· · · · 撤回我的问题。\n14· ·BY MR. LUFT：\n15· · · · 问：· Guo女士，请告诉我Hong Kong\n16· ·USA何时成立。\n17· · · · 答：· 让我想一想。我确实不记得\n18· ·了。\n19· · · · 问：· Guo女士，你是否记得在Hong Kong USA成立时，\n20· ·你是否为唯一股东？\n21· · · · 答：· 是的。\n22· · · · 问：· 如果公司文件表明\n23· ·并非如此，你将如何解释？\n24· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN：· 异议。\n25· · · · 答：· 你现在的问题是关于\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 139 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n·2· ·股东，对吗？\n·3· ·BY MR. LUFT：\n·4· · · · 问：· 你成为Hong Kong USA的\n·5· ·唯一股东，正确。\n·6· · · · 答：· 因此，我对此的理解是，对公司拥有100 percent\n·7· ·的所有权，正确。\n·8· · · · 问：· 仅持有股份的那个人？\n·9· · · · 答：· 持有股份的人。\n10· · · · 问：· 我们继续吧。\n11· · · · · · ·好的。2020年4月17日，你将\n12· ·Lady May（梅夫人号）从实际上由Hong Kong\n13· ·International（香港国际公司）所有，变更为由Hong Kong International USA（美国香港国际公司）所有。\n14· · · · · · ·是什么促使你作出该项变更？\n15· · · · 答：· 我只是认为，在美国，这家\n16· ·公司会更容易管理。因此我加上了\n17· ·“USA”。\n18· · · · 问：· 事实上，你如此做是因为律师建议你\n19· ·这样做，对吗？\n20· · · · 答：· 我不记得。\n21· · · · 问：· 你想读一下你的声明\n22· ·第11段吗？“我是在我的\n23· ·律师的建议下这样做的。”\n24· · · · · · ·你看到了吗？\n25· · · · 答：· 是的，我看到了。\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 140 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo 第139页\n\n·2· · · · 问：· 那位律师是谁？\n·3· · · · 答：· 我不记得。\n·4· · · · 问：· 是什么促使你就有关\n·5· ·Lady May登记和所有权的这一问题寻求\n·6· ·律师建议？\n·7· · · · 答：· 我认为那只是你在从事商业活动时\n·8· ·会做的一件基本事情。\n·9· · · · 问：· 为什么在你作为所有人持有\n10· ·Lady May并身在美国之前的\n11· ·三年期间，你从未这样做？\n12· · · · 答：· 我不记得。\n13· · · · 问：· 你是亲自直接与律师交谈，\n14· ·还是与曾和律师交谈过、从而获得该建议的其他人\n15· ·交谈？\n16· · · · 答：· 我不记得。\n17· · · · 问：· 你是否记得该律师是否来自名为\n18· ·Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯律师事务所）的律师事务所？\n19· · · · 答：· 我不记得。\n20· · · · 问：· 对于将所有权转让给Hong Kong\n21· ·International USA一事，你是否曾与Wang女士\n22· ·交谈？\n23· · · · 答：· 你所说的Wang女士，是指Yvette吗？\n24· · · · 问：· 是。\n25· · · · 答：· 我不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 141 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo 第140页\n\n·2· · · · 问：· 截至今日，除Lady May及你从Himalaya（喜马拉雅公司）\n·3· ·取得作为贷款的$37 million外，\n·4· ·Hong Kong International USA是否还有其他\n·5· ·资产？\n·6· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN：· 对问题形式提出异议。\n·7· · · · 答：· 没有。\n·8· ·BY MR. LUFT：\n·9· · · · 问：· Hong Kong International USA没有银行\n10· ·账户，正确吗？\n11· · · · 答：· 正确。\n12· · · · 问：· 此前，从你于2017年取得Hong Kong\n13· ·International的控制权起，直至2020年Lady May被转让给Hong Kong USA时，\n14· ·\n15· ·Hong Kong International没有银行账户，\n16· ·正确吗？\n17· · · · 答：· 这一点我不知道。\n18· · · · 问：· Hong Kong International USA没有\n19· ·董事，正确吗？\n20· · · · 答：· 我不记得。\n21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT：· 我将把2021年6月7日\n22· · · · Lee Vartan（李·瓦尔坦）致Edward Moss（爱德华·莫斯）的一封信\n23· · · · 标记为Mei Guo（郭美）证物4。\n24· · · · · · ·（截至本日期，Mei Guo证物4已被接收并标记\n25· · · · 用于识别。）\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo\n\n·2· ·BY MR. LUFT：\n·3· · · · 问：· Guo女士，于2021年6月7日，Vartan先生是\n·4· ·你的律师，正确吗？\n·5· · · · 答：· 是。\n·6· · · · 问：· 你看到第二段中\n·7· ·Vartan先生代表Hong Kong\n·8· ·International陈述：\n·9· · · · · · · · · “Hong Kong International没有\n10· · · · · · ·董事、高级职员或雇员；没有专用\n11· · · · · · ·电子邮件服务器或电子邮件后缀；\n12· · · · · · ·不提交纳税申报表；且没有银行\n13· · · · · · ·账户，也未以其他方式\n14· · · · · · ·资本化。”\n15· · · · · · ·你看到该句了吗？\n16· · · · 答：· 是。\n17· · · · 问：· Vartan先生向Moss先生作出该陈述时，\n18· ·是否诚实且准确？\n19· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN：· 异议。\n20· · · · 答：· 是。\n21· ·BY MR. LUFT：\n22· · · · 问：· 自Vartan先生2021年6月7日的信函以来，\n23· ·Hong Kong International没有\n24· ·董事、高级职员或雇员、没有专用\n25· ·电子邮件服务器或电子邮件后缀、不提交纳税申报表\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 143 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo\n\n·2· ·且没有银行账户并且未以其他方式\n·3· ·资本化，这一点仍然真实吗？\n·4· · · · 答：· 你指的是在该日期之后；对吗？\n·5· · · ·\n·6· · · · 问：· 我问的是，在Vartan先生于2021年6月7日发出这封\n·7· ·信后，该陈述自2021年6月8日\n·8· ·起至今对于Hong Kong International是否仍然真实？\n9· · · · 答：· 对于所有其他信息，我确认\n10· ·那是真实的。但是，至于是否仍然没有\n11· ·董事或高级职员，我不确定。\n12· · · ·\n13· · · · 问：· 你知道Hong Kong International USA目前有任何董事或\n14· ·高级职员吗？\n15· · · · 答：· 因此，今天此时此刻，大概没有。\n16· · · · 问：· 你是否认为在2021年6月7日\n17· ·至今之间，Hong Kong International USA可能曾有一段时间\n18· ·拥有董事和\n19· ·高级职员？\n20· · · · 答：· 我不太确定。这就是我\n21· ·指出这一点的原因。我不确定。\n22· · · · 问：· 在整个这段期间，\n23· ·你一直是Hong Kong\n24· ·International USA的唯一成员？\n25· · · · 答：· 是的，正确。\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 144 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo\n·2· · · · 问：· Hong Kong International USA是否曾经召开过\n·3· ·任何董事会会议？\n·4· · · · 答：· 没有。\n·5· · · · 问：· 是否曾就Hong Kong International通过过\n·6· ·任何决议？\n·7· · · · 答：· 没有。\n·8· · · · 问：· 好的。你熟悉地址\n·9· ·162 East 64th Street吗？\n10· · · · 答：· 是的，听起来我听说过这个\n11· ·地址。\n12· · · · 问：· 你去过那里吗？\n13· · · · 答：· 我确实不记得。\n14· · · · 问：· Hong Kong\n15· ·International USA的地址是什么？\n16· · · · 答：· 大概就是你刚才\n17· ·提到的地址。\n18· · · · 问：· 你说大概是该地址，\n19· ·是因为我刚才提到了它，还是因为你记得\n20· ·那就是该地址？\n21· · · · 答：· 我现在记起来了。\n22· · · · 问：· Hong Kong\n23· ·International USA在该地址设有办公室吗？\n24· · · · 答：· 没有。\n25· · · · 问：· 你知道你父亲\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 145 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo\n·2· ·在该地址登记有他经营的众多企业\n·3· ·吗？\n·4· · · · · · ·MR. VARTAN：· 异议。\n·5· · · · 答：· 我不知道。\n·6· ·BY MR. LUFT：\n·7· · · · 问：· 谁支付Hong Kong USA的费用？\n·8· · · · 答：· 我哥哥。\n·9· · · · 问：· 事实上，该等费用一直由\n10· ·Golden Spring（金泉公司）和Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）支付，正确吗？\n11· · · · 答：· 我不确定具体情况。我所知道的只是由我哥哥\n12· ·支付。\n13· · · · 问：· 那么，如果我们看你的宣誓书\n14· ·第12段。\n15· · · · · · ·你看到了吗？这是证物1。\n16· · · · 答：· 第12段？\n17· · · · 问：· 你看到，在你讨论Lady May费用时，\n18· ·该等费用均由\n19· ·Golden Spring和Lamp Capital支付？\n20· · · · 答：· 是，我看到了。\n21· · · · 问：· 该段没有提到你哥哥\n22· ·支付费用，正确吗？\n23· · · · 答：· 但是该公司是我哥哥的。\n24· · · · 问：· 所以Golden Spring和Lamp Capital是你哥哥的\n25· ·公司？\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 146 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo 第145页\n\n·2· · · · 答：· 是。我哥哥的家族办公室。\n·3· · · · 问：· 你哥哥如何获得提供给\n·4· ·Golden Spring和Lamp Capital的资金？\n·5· · · · 答：· 我不知道。\n·6· · · · 问：· 在你于本案中提交的起诉状中，\n·7· ·你多次提及Hong Kong USA的\n·8· ·代表。\n·9· · · · · · ·当你说Hong Kong USA的代表是那些\n10· ·指示Lady May船长将船驶往何处的人时，\n11· ·你指的是谁？\n12· · · · 答：· 大多数时候，我指的是\n13· ·Max。\n14· · · · 问：· Max是Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）？\n15· · · · 答：· 是。\n16· · · · 问：· 除Max Krasner外，还有其他任何HK USA的代表\n17· ·吗？\n18· · · · 答：· 有。但那些人停留的时间很短，\n19· ·所以我不记得他们的\n20· ·名字。\n21· · · · 问：· 你还在起诉状中陈述，你\n22· ·直接并通过你的代表，\n23· ·全权负责指挥Lady May的\n24· ·运营和航行。\n25· · · · · · ·所指的你的代表是谁\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 147 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo 第146页\n\n·2· ·在起诉状中被提及？\n·3· · · · 答：· 正如我刚才提到的，大多数时候是\n·4· ·Max。\n·5· · · · 问：· Max Krasner？\n·6· · · · 答：· Max Krasner。\n·7· · · · 问：· 你有Max Krasner的电话号码吗？\n·8· · · · 答：· 没有。\n·9· · · · 问：· 你有他的电子邮件地址吗？\n10· · · · 答：· 没有。\n11· · · · 问：· 你知道他的家庭住址吗？\n12· · · · 答：· 我不知道。\n13· · · · 问：· 当你想联系\n14· ·Max Krasner时，你会拨打哪里？\n15· · · · 答：· 我使用软件给他打电话。\n16· · · · 问：· 什么软件？哪种软件？\n17· · · · 答：· 我经常更换它们。没有一种\n18· ·软件是我一直使用的。\n19· · · · 问：· 你指的是一款即时通讯应用程序吗？\n20· · · · 答：· 我也可以用它发消息。\n21· · · · 问：· 请你告诉我，你会通过该\n22· ·即时通讯应用程序使用什么地址或号码\n23· ·联系Max Krasner？\n24· · · · 答：· 我从不使用任何与我的电话号码绑定的\n25· ·软件。因此我没有该号码。\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球全球· · 877-702-9580\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 1797-8 Filed 05/16/23 Entered 05/16/23 23:52:24 Page 148 of 211\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo 第147页\n\n问：无论您使用何种信息软件，都必须有一些来自 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）的联系信息。\n\n无论您使用的软件采用何种联系方式联系 Max Krasner，那项联系信息是什么？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\n答：您是指这整个期间内的所有信息吗？\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：我先从其中任何信息开始。\n\nVARTAN 律师：针对哪个具体问题？\n\nLUFT 律师：只是——您不必替他读出来。\n\nVARTAN 律师：我是在问您。\n\nLUFT 律师：您有实时视频流。您可以读。\n\n答：早些时候，我使用 WhatsApp、Telegram 等。\n\n之后直至现在，我没有任何此类信息。自我上次联系他以来已经很久了。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：您是否检索了您在 WhatsApp 和 Telegram 上与 Max Krasner 就本诉讼进行的所有通信？\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 149 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：没有，我没有。我每个月都会更换手机。我绝不会保留这些信息。\n\n问：无论您更换手机与否，该应用程序仍然是同一个，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\n仅限于您所知。\n\n答：并不相同。\n\nLUFT 律师：律师，我们已要求提供那些通信记录。您未能提供。我要求您提供。\n\n我将暂不结束本次证言录取，等待收到该信息，以便我可以就此提问。\n\nVARTAN 律师：我认为她说她没有。我们会再查找一次。\n\nLUFT 律师：律师，您明白其运作方式，即它并不绑定于某一部特定手机，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：不明白。\n\nLUFT 律师：您不明白这一点？\n\nVARTAN 律师：不，我不了解 WhatsApp 的内部运作机制。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 150 页，共 211 页\n\n第 149 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nLUFT 律师：我认为您不需要了解 WhatsApp 的内部运作机制。\n\n您有一部手机，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：是。\n\nLUFT 律师：您知道，当您登录时，它并不依赖于那部手机；您可以在任何一部手机上查看该应用程序中的内容吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：我完全不知道。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的，律师。您应当与 Romney 先生（罗姆尼先生）谈谈，他更精通技术，可以在这方面帮助您。\n\nROMNEY 律师：我并不十分精通技术。\n\nLUFT 律师：但我确实知道您会使用手机，Aaron。\n\nROMNEY 律师：我确实会使用手机，但我对这些应用程序一无所知。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：郭女士，您作证称 Krasner 先生已不再在 Golden Spring（金泉）任职。\n\nKrasner 先生是否曾是 HK International（香港国际）的雇员？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：当您需要与 Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）的某人交谈时，您会与谁交谈？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 150 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我会联系我哥哥。\n\n问：因此，当您对 HK International 的开支或任何需要完成的事项有任何问题时，您就直接打电话给您哥哥？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：既然 Max Krasner 和 Wang 女士已不再在 Golden Spring 任职，当您必须代表 HK International 询问任何问题时，谁是 HK International 的代表？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。问题令人困惑。\n\n答：现在没有人。当我有问题时，我就打电话给我哥哥。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：因此，如果您想移动 Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇），或者允许某人上——删除前半部分。\n\n如果您今天想允许某人作为 Lady May 号上的客人，您会打电话给谁？\n\n答：此时，我无权使用我的船。因此我不需要打电话给任何人。\n\n问：Lady May 号上最后一次有客人是什么时候？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 152 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 151 页\n\n答：那是在该船仍在欧洲、返回美国之前。当时我哥哥使用了它。\n\n问：您父亲最后一次登上 Lady May 号是什么时候？\n\n答：您是指登上船吗？不久前，他去看了一眼。但如果是留在船上，我认为是在一两年前、疫情之前。\n\n问：您父亲最后一次实际在 Lady May 号上是什么时候？\n\n答：我认为是不久前。我不记得确切时间。\n\n问：您能记得的最准确情况是什么？\n\n答：无论如何，是在冬天。\n\n问：这个冬天？\n\n答：我想是的。\n\n问：您和他在一起吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否打电话给任何人，或者您打电话给了谁，以允许他登上该船？\n\n答：他打电话给我并就此询问我。\n\n问：您父亲打电话问您他是否可以上船？\n\n答：正是如此。他说他——只是\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 153 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n碰巧在康涅狄格州经过该船。他看到了船，想上去看一看。\n\n他问我是否可以。\n\n我说：“去吧。”\n\n问：您是否向任何人告知您父亲要上船？\n\n答：没有。他并不是要去任何地方。他只是想上船看一看。\n\n问：当时船上有船员吗？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：您是否打电话给船员，告诉他们他要上船？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您本会打电话给船员中的谁？您有他们任何人的电话号码吗？\n\n答：船长。我有船长的号码。\n\n问：您的手机上是否有任何证据表明您曾打电话给船长，告诉他您父亲要上船？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\n答：我的回答是，我不记得我是否曾就我父亲上船一事打电话给任何人。\n\n而且不是船长。我尚未联系过船长。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 153 页\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：好的。是否有人为您管理 Hong Kong International Investment Funds USA（香港国际投资基金美国公司）的运营？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Lamp Capital 是否为您处理 Hong Kong International 的管理和运营？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT 律师：我将把一份 Bates 编号为 PN000107 至 117 的文件标记为证物 5。\n\n（截至本日期，Mei Guo（郭美）证物 5 已收取并标记供识别。）\n\nVARTAN 律师：5？\n\nLUFT 律师：5。\n\nLUFT 律师问：\n\n问：郭女士，这是一份题为“管理和运营协议”的文件。该文件将 Hong Kong International Investment Funds USA 列为公司，将 Lamp Capital LLC（蓝普资本有限责任公司）列为服务提供商。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：请稍等。在哪一页？\n\n问：第一页，就在顶部。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 155 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第 154 页\n\n答：您能重复一下他刚才的问题吗？\n\n问：我只是——我们可以继续。我只是在指出顶部所写的内容。\n\n答：好的。我看到了。\n\n问：您是否看到，在 Bates 编号以 113 结尾的一页上，“姓名：Mei Guo，职务：成员”上方有一个签名？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：那是您的签名吗？\n\n答：看起来像是我的签名。\n\n问：您看到前一页有一名叫 Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）的男子的签名吗？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：如果您翻到第一页，其中写道：\n\n“服务提供商应向公司提供管理及运营支持服务。”\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：您是否记得与 Lamp Capital 签订该协议？\n\n答：我能问一下这是哪一年的协议吗？\n\n问：依我所读，它似乎写明签署日期为 May 7, 2021。该内容在——我正在看 Bates 编号 111。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 156 页，共 211 页\n\n第 155 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n这是否唤起您的记忆？\n\n答：是，我看到了。\n\n问：您是否记得 Lamp Capital 与 Hong Kong International 之间达成这项交易？\n\n答：我记得。\n\n问：在该协议之前，是否曾与 Lamp Capital 签订过先前的管理协议？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：在该协议之前，是否曾与 Golden Spring 签订过先前的管理协议？\n\n答：我也不记得。\n\n问：谁代表 Hong Kong International 谈判该协议？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：不——在今天坐在这里、没有重新阅读该文件的情况下，您是否记得该协议的任何条款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：就管理和运营 Hong Kong International 及 Lady May 号而言，该协议目前是否仍在 Lamp Capital 与 Hong Kong International 之间有效？\n\n答：是。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第 156 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：在 Ostrager 法官（奥斯特拉格法官）面前的听证会上，您作证称与 Lady May 号有关的年度费用约为 $2 to $3 million。\n\n该数字仍然准确吗？\n\n答：该数字准确，但我认为去年这个数字可能更高，因为我们进行了大量维护。\n\n问：根据该协议，在第 (d) 点中写道，Lamp Capital 负责提起、抗辩并控制在该协议期限内因与公司业务有关的事件而产生的所有法律诉讼、仲裁、调查和程序；该公司即 Hong Kong International。\n\nLamp Capital 是否控制您提起的这项法律诉讼？\n\n答：请稍等。我应当在何处查看第 (d) 点？\n\n问：在 2(d) 项下。在管理服务项下，第 (d) 点。\n\n答：我不太理解这个问题的含义。\n\n问：我再说一遍。\n\n根据该协议的条款，其中写道\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 158 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\nLamp Capital（蓝普资本）将控制与 Hong Kong International（香港国际）业务有关的所有法律行动。\n\n我的问题是：Lamp Capital 是否控制第 157 页\n\n您代表 Hong Kong International 提起的这起诉讼——\n\nVARTAN 先生（瓦尔坦）：异议。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特）询问：\n\n问：——您代表 Hong Kong International 提起的这起诉讼？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：抱歉。我不是律师，因此我不知道如何回答您的问题。我不太明白。\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：与本诉讼有关的律师费由谁支付？\n\n答：比如我们今天所做的事情吗？\n\n问：所有事情，比如提交起诉状、起草您的诉状、今天到场，以及与您提起的本诉讼有关的一切事项。律师费由谁支付？\n\n答：我自己支付我的律师 Lee（李）的费用。至于一些费用，则由我哥哥支付。\n\n问：哪些费用由您哥哥支付？\n\n答：我想更正一下，我的意思是——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 159 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n我自己支付 Lee 的费用。但其他律师的费用，例如其他律师事务所费用较高时，则由我哥哥支付。\n\n问：Romney 先生（罗姆尼）所在的 Zeisler 律师事务所（Zeisler firm）的费用由谁支付？\n\n答：我支付了一部分，我哥哥也替我支付了一部分。\n\n问：Mitchell 先生（米切尔）的费用由谁支付？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否为 Mitchell 先生向您提供的法律服务支付费用？\n\n答：您是问我是否会自己支付吗？\n\n问：是的，我是在问您。就 Mitchell 先生代表您和 Hong Kong International 而言，您支付他的费用吗？\n\n答：我不记得我上一次向他付款是什么时候，但当然，我支付过他的费用。\n\n问：当您说您哥哥支付您的律师费时，他是直接从他自己的银行账户支付，还是通过 Lamp Capital 支付？\n\n答：我不知道。我只是会把我的发票转给他。至于他如何处理这些发票，我不知道。\n\nVARTAN 先生：我请求在您——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 160 页，共 211 页\n\n第 159 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n到达一个停顿点时休息一下。我们已经进行了大约一个半小时。\n\nLUFT 先生：当然。\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：您是否记得，作为 Lamp Capital 提供管理服务的对价，您向其支付了什么报酬？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否曾使用 Lady May（“梅夫人”号）——Lady May 是否曾出租用于包船服务？\n\n答：从未。\n\n问：您会考虑过这种事吗？\n\n答：从未。\n\n问：您知道为什么根据您与 Lamp Capital 的这份协议，您同意向其支付 Lady May 包船服务所得的钱款吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：曲解合同内容。\n\n答：在哪里？我可以看一下吗？\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：当然。在第 7 条“报酬”项下：\n\n“此外，服务提供方”——\n\nLamp Capital——“应直接获得由 Lady May 和／或 Lady May II 产生的任何及所有包船服务收入。”\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 161 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第 160 页\n\n答：我对此的理解是，这必须得到我的批准。\n\n问：好的。您是说您永远不会批准？\n\n答：对。我永远不会出租我的船。\n\n问：在签订该协议时，并且该项报酬被作为管理服务的对价提出时，是否已告知 Lamp Capital，其永远不会根据该条款获得任何收入？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得。那应当是律师之间的谈话。我不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：如果您看第二页第 3 条“公司的义务”第（b）项？\n\n答：（证人照做。）\n\n问：第二页。\n\n您是否看到其第一行写道“公司”——这是指 Hong Kong International，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：——“将及时提供与其所有权有关的所有请求文件。”\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 162 页，共 211 页\n\n第 161 页 M. Guo（郭女士）\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Hong Kong International 的所有人是您；对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：然后它写道“及最终受益所有人”。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：如果公司是 Hong Kong International，而所有人是您，“最终受益所有人”指的是谁？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。您可以暂时把这个放在一边。\n\n律师请求休息，所以我们就这么做吧。\n\nVARTAN 先生：当然。谢谢。\n\n录像员：现在是下午 4:51。我们停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现在是下午 5:17。我们——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 163 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第 162 页\n\n恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，如可以，我想向您问几个关于 Lady May 的问题。\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：Lady May 在冬季向南航行时，您是否会使用它？\n\n答：是，有时在 Florida（佛罗里达州）。\n\n问：您父亲在佛罗里达州时是否会使用它？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：他在佛罗里达州使用它的频率如何？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：Lady May 在 2020 年向南航行时，您在该船位于佛罗里达州期间使用过该船吗？\n\n答：让我想一想。我不记得。\n\n问：在 2020 年向南航行之前，Lady May 在冬季是否停放在佛罗里达州？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：我只是想再确认一下。\n\n所以您问的是该船在 2020 年冬季所在的地点，对吗？\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：在——我稍后会问 2020 年冬季。在此之前，即更早的冬季。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 164 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）\n\n答：更早的冬季怎么了？\n\n问：冬季是否停放在佛罗里达州？\n\nVARTAN 先生：我可以澄清一下吗？我们说的是 20 年至 21 年冬季，还是 19 年至 20 年冬季？\n\nLUFT 先生：不。正如我所说，是在 2020 年之前。\n\nVARTAN 先生：您说的是 2020 年冬季。\n\nLUFT 先生：在那之前。\n\nVARTAN 先生：我不是想造成混淆。\n\nLUFT 先生：我知道您不是。您只是在打断。\n\n是在 2020 年冬季之前。那会是哪一个冬季？\n\nVARTAN 先生：您问的是 19 年至 20 年，还是 20 年至 21 年？\n\nLUFT 先生：天啊。\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您明白——我们不妨把事情简单化，以免出现问题。\n\n在 2020 年深秋，为了即将到来的冬季，Lady May 向南航行了，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第 164 页\n\n答：是。\n\n问：在该冬季之前的冬季，Lady May 停放在哪里？\n\n答：我不知道 2017 年之前的冬季情况。但在 2017 年、18 年和 19 年，它会在秋季位于佛罗里达州。天气更冷时，它会前往 Bahamas（巴哈马）。\n\n问：好的。在 2020 年秋季，Golden Spring（金泉）的人联系您，告知您该把船向南移动了，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的那个人是谁？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：在那通电话之后，Golden Spring 联系船长并告诉他将船向南移动，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：然后，实际在何日启航由船长酌情决定，对吗？\n\n答：是，取决于天气。\n\n问：因此，当您陈述您对 Lady May 的航行安排负有唯一责任时，我想澄清一下。\n\n在夏季，当船在东北部、您父亲在船上而您不在船上时，他可以决定该船去哪里，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 166 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士） 第 165 页\n\n答：所以具体而言，您的意思是，当我父亲在船上时，他能控制该船吗？\n\n问：我的意思是，当您父亲在船上而您不在船上时，在东北部，他可以决定该船去哪里，对吗？\n\n答：东北部是指 New York（纽约州），对吗？\n\n问：纽约州、Nantucket（楠塔基特）、Bar Harbor（巴港）；即我们今天上午法院向 Heaslop 船长（希斯洛普船长）询问那些问题时所谈及的同样地点。\n\n答：通常他会先告诉我。\n\n问：在南部，当您不在船上时——这在冬季占大多数时间，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：“南部”是指佛罗里达州？\n\nLUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：佛罗里达州、巴哈马。\n\n答：当船在佛罗里达州时，我大多数时候在那里。当船在巴哈马时，我不在那里，因为我不能离开该国。\n\n问：好的。因此，当 Lady May 停靠在——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG速记服务）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 167 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n佛罗里达州，那是您大部分时间居住的地方吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：郭女士，您提到，2021年5月28日，您与多名人员签署了若干NDA（保密协议），对吗，即与该游艇现任船员签署的？\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦先生）：异议。您可能需要先说明一下NDA是什么。\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特先生）问：\n\n问：郭女士，您可以回答。\n\n答：我与我的每一名船员都签有保密协议。\n\n问：您是否已提交所有这些文件？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：在2021年5月28日之前，您是否与任何船员签有保密协议？\n\n答：我想是的。\n\n问：我向您说明，您的律师尚未提交任何此类文件。\n\n您是否知道是否存在任何此类保密协议；如存在，在何处？\n\n答：您可以询问我的管理公司。\n\n问：是哪一家？\n\n答：Yachtzoo（Yachtzoo公司）。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 168 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）第167页\n\n哦，抱歉。不只是这一家管理公司。有很多家。\n\n问：该游艇还有哪些管理公司？\n\n答：曾经有Moran（莫兰公司），M-O-R-A-N，Yachtzoo（Yachtzoo公司）和Bergers（伯格斯公司）。其间，我们又转回Yachtzoo。我想共有三家。\n\n问：除2021年5月28日的那些协议外，Hong Kong International（香港国际公司）不保留任何这些协议的副本，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您是否持有现任船长所签保密协议的副本，一份保密协议？\n\n答：我想我有。\n\nLUFT先生：律师，再次说明，我们没有收到任何此类文件。若该文件存在，我们要求予以提交。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：那么Ivanov船长（伊万诺夫船长）呢？我们没有收到与他签订的任何保密协议副本。\n\n您是否曾与他签署过协议？\n\n答：我只是想核实一下。这位船长的名字是Lloyd，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 169 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n因为我从来记不住他们的姓氏。\n\n问：根据他在法庭上的证词，不是这样。\n\n答：是Momchil吗？\n\n问：Momchil Ivanov（莫姆奇尔·伊万诺夫）。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您还提交了一份与Phoenix Crew Ltd.（凤凰船员有限公司）签订的人员配置协议。\n\n您记得吗？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：除与现任船员于2021年5月28日签订的保密协议、与Phoenix Crew Ltd.于2021年9月1日签订的人员配置协议，以及Hong Kong International与Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）之间的协议外，我们没有收到任何其他由您代表Hong Kong International签署的文件。\n\n您是否知道是否存在任何其他此类文件？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不确定。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：为明确起见，除截至2021年5月28日与船员签订的保密协议、Phoenix Crew Ltd.文件以及Hong Kong International与Lamp Capital之间的协议外——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 170 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n即我们作为证物4审阅的协议——您是否知道任何由您代表Hong Kong International签署的文件？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不确定。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：好的。您记得Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）在2020年何时向南航行吗？\n\n答：10月。\n\n问：您记得是在10月的何时吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：除是在10月的某个时候外，您是否有更确切的记忆？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nLUFT先生：我将把奥斯特拉格法官（Justice Ostrager）于2020年10月15日作出的判决及命令副本标记为证物6，即郭美证言证物6。\n\n（截至本日，郭美证物6已收取并标记用于识别。）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，在我们等候该文件时，从纽约驾驶Lady May前往——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭美）第170页\n\n佛罗里达州需要多长时间？\n\n答：完全取决于天气。\n\n问：大约呢？\n\n答：据我记得，有一次天气状况非常恶劣，他们可能花了两周时间。\n\n问：如果天气状况良好呢？\n\n答：这个我不知道。\n\n问：郭女士，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：请稍等。我看一下。\n\n我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得曾看过这项命令，或者律师是否告诉过您，奥斯特拉格法官已命令Kwok先生（郭先生）及/或Sherry-Netherland（雪莉-尼德兰）住宅和Lady May游艇的登记所有人，不得就该等资产进行或完成任何出售、让与、转让或干涉？\n\n答：我不记得曾看过这份文件。\n\n问：好的。截至2020年10月15日，Hong Kong International USA（香港国际美国公司）是Lady May的登记所有人，对吗？\n\n答：您指的是Hong Kong International USA，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 172 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：是的，女士。\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您的律师是否告诉您，截至2020年10月15日，存在一项适用于您的限制令，涉及Lady May及对该资产的任何干涉？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。律师，我们尚未确立这一点。\n\nLUFT先生：事实上，我已经确立了。\n\nVARTAN先生：不，您没有。而且我说的是2020年10月15日。\n\nLUFT先生：而且我们已经确立，Mitchell先生（米切尔先生）当时是她的律师，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：不，您没有。\n\nLUFT先生：我的天哪。\n\nVARTAN先生：您可以问她。\n\nLUFT先生：我已经问过她了。记录中有。\n\nVartan先生，再一次，您在如何浪费时间方面的创造力令人惊叹。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，Mitchell先生在2020年10月是您的律师，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n答：我不记得。我无法清楚记得那些事情。\n\n问：您认为您当时没有律师吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您的父亲或参与该诉讼的任何其他人是否告知您，您受一项影响您使用Lady May的法院命令约束？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT先生：我将把奥斯特拉格法官作出的另一项判决及命令标记为郭美证物7，该命令日期为2021年3月16日。\n\n（截至本日，郭美证物7已收取并标记用于识别。）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：郭女士，在2021年3月17日当日或之后，您是否记得，是否有人告知您存在一项藐视法庭裁定，称自2021年5月15日起，游艇每在本法院管辖范围外一天，被告Kwok将被处以$500,000罚款？\n\n答：我知道那件事。\n\n问：而您知道——您何时得知——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 174 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）第173页\n\n那件事？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否得知下一行内容，即法院还命令，关于游艇所有权和控制权的其他限制措施继续有效？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您在宣誓书中称，您的律师使您知悉了法院的命令，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：是哪位律师？\n\n答：Lee（李）。\n\n问：Vartan先生。\n\n您接着称：\n\n“我不希望该游艇前往纽约，而且，在咨询律师后，我指示其改为前往欧洲，该行程早已计划，费用高昂。”\n\n就指示该游艇前往欧洲一事，您咨询的是哪位律师？\n\n答：Lee。\n\n问：您再次指的是Vartan先生，即在明知法院命令要求将游艇返回纽约的情况下，就前往欧洲一事指示——向您提供意见的律师？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 175 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：当时他是我的律师。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：他是否是向您提供该意见的律师？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：那么，为明确起见，您知道，如果Lady May未在2021年5月15日前返回纽约，您的父亲将每天产生$500,000的罚款；但作为回应，您咨询了律师，并改为指示Lady May前往欧洲；对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您记得Lady May在2021年冬季——即1月、2月、3月，无论具体是哪几个月——的维修何时完成吗？\n\n答：我不记得细节。\n\n问：您对这些维修何时完成的最佳记忆是什么？\n\n答：2021年。我确实不记得。\n\n问：但如您在第15段所述，是在那些维修完成后——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 于 05/16/23 提交 于 05/16/23 23:52:24 登记 第 176 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n您的兄弟询问他是否可以在欧洲使用Lady May，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：是在看Guo 1（郭美1号文件）第15段吗？\n\nLUFT先生：我只是问她。\n\nVARTAN先生：您说的是第15段。再说一次，我希望她知道您是在从哪里读取。\n\nLUFT先生：好的，Vartan先生。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：请继续，郭女士。\n\nVARTAN先生：看Guo 1第15段。\n\n答：请稍等。\n\nLUFT先生：那是您的宣誓书。\n\n由于您的律师想向您出示文件，我们又一次在记录中浪费时间。\n\nVARTAN先生：我只是请您注意您的问题。您说——\n\nLUFT先生：Vartan先生，我是在帮她找到位置。\n\nVARTAN先生：但如您所说——\n\nLUFT先生：这是她的证言。\n\nVARTAN先生：对，但您说“如您在第15段所述”，所以公平起见，就应当——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n她可以查阅该文件。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：郭女士（Ms. Guo），您告诉我，瓦尔坦先生（Mr. Vartan）起草了您的宣誓书。他似乎非常担心您不熟悉其中的事实。\n\n您在签署该宣誓书之前是否审阅过？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：您不必回答该问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：不，您必须回答。\n答：是的，我当然审阅过。只是我的律师知道我的记忆力不好。\n问：既然该文件就在您面前，您是否记得您曾作出如下宣誓陈述：\n\n“Lady May（‘Lady May’号游艇）进行了必要的检查和维护，完成后，居住在欧洲的我哥哥询问他是否可以使用该游艇”？\n答：是的，正确。\n问：如我们所讨论，您知道，我们一直在查阅的 2022年2月2日听证会记录，是根据上诉分庭的指示举行证据听证会，以解决关于 Lady May 的所有权和控制权争议的，对吗？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：我知道。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您曾说，冬天您会将 Lady May 驶往佛罗里达州和巴哈马，对吗？\n答：是。\n问：您是否曾将其驶往 Cayman Islands（开曼群岛）进行维修或登记？\n答：开曼群岛在哪里？\n问：您是否曾将其驶往 British Virgin Islands（英属维尔京群岛）进行维修或登记？\n答：那些群岛在哪里？\n问：您是否曾就针对您父亲的 PAX 诉讼，与 BakerHostetler（贝克·霍斯泰特勒律师事务所）的任何人员进行过沟通？\n答：我不记得。\n问：郭女士，您为何同意让 Lady May 从欧洲返回美国？\n答：因为如果该船仍未返回，似乎我父亲的人身安全会受到威胁。而且似乎该船被用作维持我父亲安全的工具。\n\n问：您是否曾想过，在他已产生 \\$130 million 的罚款之前更早这样做？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议，带有争辩性。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：嗯，我只是提问。\n答：没有。\n问：您是否知道，作为您父亲向破产法院提出的一项计划的一部分，Lady May 曾被提议进行分配或出售，并将其价值分配给您父亲遗产的债权人？\n答：是。我从我的律师那里听说过。\n问：在提议将 Lady May 用于支付您父亲的债权人之前，是否曾征询过您的意见？\n答：您记得什么——或者，抱歉，您是什么意思？您可以再问一遍吗？\n问：在 Lady May 被纳入您父亲提出的破产计划，作为其价值可分配给债权人的资产之前，是否有人征询过您的意见，以了解您是否同意交出 Lady May 并允许将其用于偿还您父亲的债权人？\n答：是。\n\n问：是谁就此与您谈过？\n答：我的律师。\n问：是谁？\n答：我记不太清楚。\n问：那应该就是刚过去的春季。刚过去的春季，就您父亲的破产事项而言，谁是您的律师？\n答：我确实记不起来。\n问：瓦尔坦先生不是您的破产律师，对吗？\n答：他是我的律师。\n问：但在 2022年4月，就破产目的而言，他不是您的律师，对吗？\n答：正确。他不是。\n问：您是否记得，是哪位律师与您谈及将 Lady May 作为资产纳入计划、供您父亲分配给其债权人的可能性？\n答：我不记得。\n问：您父亲是否曾与您谈及使用 Lady May 偿还其债权人？\n答：没有。\n问：您母亲是否曾与您谈及使用 Lady May 偿还您父亲的债权人？\n\n答：没有。\n问：Brown Rudnick（布朗·鲁德尼克律师事务所）的任何人员是否曾就使用 Lady May 偿还郭文贵先生（Mr. Kwok）的债权人与您谈过？\n答：您可以重复一下该律师事务所的名称吗？\n问：Brown Rudnick。\n答：我不记得。\n问：作为计划的一部分，您今天是否会允许使用 Lady May 偿还您父亲的债权人？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：今天与我先前同意时相比会有什么不同？我不太理解您的问题。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：郭女士，这不是谜语。我之所以问您，是因为我必须分阶段提问。我当时问过。\n\n所以我今天问您，您是否会同意将 Lady May 作为资产，用于在一项计划，即 Chapter 11 计划中偿还您父亲的债权人？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：异议。\n\n答：为了我父亲的安全，我同意。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：郭女士，我想我之前问过您，您是否曾参加过任何破产法院听证会。\n\n您记得吗？\n答：记得。\n问：我相信您告诉过我，您没有参加过任何这些听证会，对吗？\n答：是。\n问：这是否包括——我所说的是，包括远程听证会和现场听证会？\n答：是。\n问：那么您是否曾——您是否曾旁听过您父亲破产案件中的任何破产法院听证会？\n答：没有。\n\n卢夫特先生：我们短暂休庭一下吧。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：当然。\n\n摄像记录员：现在是下午 6:06。我们停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n摄像记录员：现在是下午 6:28。我们恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：郭女士，我想问您——我们谈过该船返回美国一事。\n\n我现在想问您——4月13日，破产法院举行了一场听证会，会上出现了关于提供一笔等同于该船价值、约为 \\$37 million 的保证金的问题。\n\n您了解那场听证会吗？\n答：了解。\n问：您最初何时得知 Hong Kong International（香港国际）可能必须提供该保证金？\n答：就在当天。\n问：您如何得知此事？\n答：我的律师给我打了电话。\n问：是哪位律师？\n答：Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）。\n\n卢夫特先生：Aaron Mitchell？她是这么说的吗？\n\n口译员：Aaron Mitchell。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n问：您就这个问题与米切尔先生谈过？\n答：您指的是什么问题，去法院吗？不，我是说关于那场听证会？\n问：让我退一步说。\n\n当时米切尔先生是您的律师，同时也是您父亲的律师，对吗？\n答：是。\n问：米切尔先生在那通电话中对您说了什么？\n\n瓦尔坦先生：我只是提醒一下，现在这正涉及您与律师之间的谈话。\n\n所以我假定您并非寻求受特权保护的信息。\n\n卢夫特先生：不，我正是在寻求，因为该特权已被放弃。该特权归受托人所有，法院已裁定，郭文贵先生的律师与任何其他人之间的任何共同抗辩和共同利益通信均归受托人所有。\n\n瓦尔坦先生：他是以她的——以她的律师身份行事。\n\n卢夫特先生：也是郭文贵先生的律师。\n\n罗姆尼先生（Mr. Romney）：在整个这次证词录取过程中我一直很少发言，但我参与了该过程。\n\n那是 Aaron Mitchell 以梅和香港国际的律师身份所作的通信。债务人并未在场参与该通信。\n\n我们指示证人不得披露该等通信。\n\n卢夫特先生：我不理解该异议。郭文贵先生在该等通信发生时是否在场并不重要。\n\n米切尔先生参加了一场听证会，在该听证会上他担任郭文贵先生的律师——事实上，他当时确实如此——而且我想也是郭女士的律师。她另有一名仅代表她的律师。她与其父亲共同聘请的律师与她谈话。\n\n法院命令非常明确，任何与被告之间的共同利益和共同抗辩通信均归受托人所有，且受托人有权知悉。因此，我看不出你们基于特权提出异议有任何依据。\n\n罗姆尼先生：那不是共同利益特权通信。那是受律师—当事人特权保护的通信。您可以向法官提出该论点。我们将向法官提出我们的论点，由法官作出裁定。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。所有共同利益和共同抗辩通信都是律师—当事人通信。要构成共同抗辩和共同利益，必须存在律师—当事人通信。\n\n如果您愿意，我们可以停止记录，您可以与米切尔先生谈谈，但我不理解，为什么您告诉我，当他代表郭文贵先生并谈论与其相关的问题时，他以某种方式——他用来谈话的那部分大脑并不属于共同的。\n\n罗姆尼先生：法律不是这样的。一名同时代理两名当事人的律师，在分别与其中任何一名当事人交谈时，并不构成共同利益特权通信。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 187 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo（郭女士）第 186 页\n\nLUFT先生（卢夫特）：涉及他们二人双方的一个问题。\n\nROMNEY先生（罗姆尼）：我们谨对您在此问题上的看法表示异议；如有必要，法院将对此作出裁决。\n\nLUFT先生：您是否指示她不要回答？\n\nVARTAN先生（瓦尔坦）：是。您说您正在询问受特权保护的通信。\n\nLUFT先生：我询问的是她与MITCHELL先生（米切尔）的通信。PIN先生（平先生）现在拥有该特权。\n\nVARTAN先生：他并不拥有她的特权。她不是债务人。\n\nLUFT先生：您知晓本案中的特权命令是如何规定的吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：我不知晓。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。\n\nVARTAN先生：她不是债务人。\n\nLUFT先生：或许您和我不应当讨论此事。\n\nROMNEY先生：这就是我今天第一次在记录中发言的原因。因为我是代表债务人协商该命令的人，并且我对此非常熟悉。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 188 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 187 页\n\nROMNEY先生：并且我同意您对该命令的描述。我不同意您将该通信描述为受共同利益特权保护的通信。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。我只是询问一下。那么，您指示她不要回答？\n\nVARTAN先生：正确。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您是否会遵从您的律师的指示？\n\n答：是的。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。我们将保留就该问题重新开启证言记录或维持该证言记录开放的权利。\n\nVARTAN先生：当然。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：好的。MITCHELL先生是否曾与您有任何通信——\n\nLUFT先生：那么，我的理解是否正确，即使MITCHELL先生也是KWOK先生（郭文贵）的律师，并在那次听证会上担任KWOK先生的律师，我也不得就他与她讨论的任何事项询问她？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 189 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 188 页\n\nVARTAN先生：正确。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您与MITCHELL先生交谈后，您做了什么？\n\n答：我打了一个电话。\n\n问：您给谁打电话？\n\n答：第一个电话吗？\n\n问：是。先从第一个开始。\n\n答：William叔叔。\n\n问：William叔叔是谁？\n\n答：他是我们认识很多很多年的一位家庭朋友。我称他为“叔叔”。\n\n问：William叔叔有姓氏吗？\n\n答：中文是Yu，Y-U。\n\n问：英语中，他的名字是否发音为William “Je”？\n\n答：我想是的。\n\n问：您对William叔叔说了什么？\n\n答：我告诉他当时的情况，并且我说我需要借一些钱，否则我父亲将面临安全风险。\n\n问：您告诉他当时的情况是什么？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 190 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 189 页\n\n答：在那艘船返回之前，我需要借款 $37 million。一旦那艘船返回，这笔钱就会偿还。\n\n问：您还告诉他其他任何事情吗？\n\n我将要求您尽可能详细地回忆您在该通电话中对JE先生（杰先生）所说的一切，以及他对您所说的一切。\n\n答：当天，我是在极其恐惧的情况下打这通电话的。我无法回忆起许多细节。这只是我现在记得的信息。\n\n问：关于您与William Je的通话，您还记得其他任何事情吗？\n\n答：我记得他答应了我。\n\n问：是答应借给您 $37 million 吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：他还说了其他任何事情吗？\n\n答：他两次确认，以确保这笔钱只是暂时放在那里，就像过桥资金一样。我说是。因此他很快就同意了。\n\n问：您还记得任何其他事项吗，包括该通电话中包含的任何其他条款或细节？\n\n答：不记得。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 191 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 190 页\n\n问：您是否记得曾讨论过这笔钱是否必须用于支付该船的维修费用？\n\n答：那天我非常恐慌。所以没有。\n\n问：不，您是不记得，还是不，您没有讨论这笔钱必须用于支付Lady May（“Lady May”号）的维修费用这一事实？\n\n答：在那通电话中，没有。\n\n问：再说一次，“没有”是指什么？是不，您不记得是否说过此事，还是不，您没有讨论维修费用？\n\n答：我没有讨论维修费用。\n\n问：您是否讨论过该笔贷款是否会收取利息？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：除您和William叔叔外，还有其他人与您一同通话吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否随时都有JE先生的电话号码？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是如何获得JE先生的电话号码的？\n\n答：我一直都有他的号码。\n\n问：除JE先生外，您是否与其他任何人谈过获得该贷款之事？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 192 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 191 页\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您挂断电话后——您与JE先生的通话持续了多久？\n\n答：可能只有五六分钟。\n\n问：关于该通电话，您是否还记得任何尚未告诉我的事情？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您与JE先生通话结束后，接下来做了什么？\n\n答：我喝了一杯酒。\n\n问：您喝完酒后。\n\n让我问一下：您在哪里喝的酒？听起来不错。您现在就喝一杯吧。\n\n答：在我自己家里。\n\n问：那么，您接到电话时在家？\n\n核对口译员：您说的是“打”电话，还是“接到”电话？\n\nLUFT先生：我说的是打电话，但是——打电话。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您喝完酒后，做了什么？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 193 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 192 页\n\n答：我不记得。我整天都非常焦虑。\n\n问：您是否记得在与JE先生进行第一次通话后，当天还做过其他任何事情？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得，您是否回电给MITCHELL先生，并告诉他您获得了贷款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得，您是否与任何人交谈并告诉他们您获得了贷款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您知道其他任何人会如何知道——除您和JE先生外，是否有任何人会知道您获得了贷款？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：好的。4月13日，除与JE先生的那一次通话，以及在您与JE先生交谈前MITCHELL先生最初打来的电话外，您是否就该话题与其他任何人交谈过？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否记得下一次就该话题与任何人交谈是在何时？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 194 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 193 页\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：除我们已经讨论过的与JE先生的那通电话，以及在您与JE先生通话前与MITCHELL先生进行的最初通话外，您是否记得曾与任何人就 $37 million 贷款及其条款这一话题进行过任何交谈？\n\nVARTAN先生：除她的律师外？\n\nLUFT先生：不是。我的问题不包括您的问题。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您可以回答。\n\n答：我不记得确切时间，但我确实与我的律师谈过。\n\n问：您何时与您的律师谈过？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您与谁谈过？\n\n答：我想可能是来自Connecticut（康涅狄格州）的律师，但我记不得了。\n\n问：此后，您是否曾再次就该话题与MITCHELL先生进行过任何交谈？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否熟悉 $37 million 贷款的条款？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nM. Guo 第 194 页\n\n答：是。我读过这些条款。\n\n问：当您最初与JE先生交谈时，他是否告诉您将由哪个实体向您提供贷款？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否记得，最初该贷款将由ACA Capital（ACA资本）提供？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您父亲曾与ACA Capital有合作历史，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：您是否参与协商贷款协议的任何条款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您不记得您是否参与了 $37 million 贷款协议的任何协商？\n\n答：正确。我的律师参与了。\n\n问：您的律师是否告知您，最初您不应当——我撤回该问题。\n\n郭女士，您是否知晓，根据该协议的最终条款，您本人须为 $37 million 贷款提供保证，并承担责任？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交日期 05/16/23 录入日期 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 196 页，共 211 页\n\nM. Guo 第 195 页\n\n答：我知晓。\n\n问：您是否知晓，在该协议的早期版本中，该贷款应当由Lady May担保，而非由您本人担保？\n\n答：是，我记得。\n\n问：为何作出该变更？\n\nVARTAN先生：如果该问题要求她回答与律师的谈话内容，那么她同样不能回答。\n\n答：根据律师的建议。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\n问：那么，律师建议您亲自为该贷款提供保证？\n\nVARTAN先生：我指示您不要回答。该问题要求提供受特权保护的信息。\n\nLUFT先生：我只是澄清她的回答。我只是想理解她说了什么。\n\nVARTAN先生：您问她她的律师向她建议了什么。\n\nLUFT先生：不是。她告诉我“根据律师的建议”。我只是想确保我理解她的回答。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第197页，共211页\n\n第196页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN（瓦尔坦先生）：对。我指示她不要回答。\n\nLUFT（卢夫特先生）：好的。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：你将遵从你律师的建议？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：谁协商了该贷款的利率？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：你同意支付该利率，即每月3%？\n\n答：是，我同意。\n\n问：那$37 million，大约是每月$1.1 million，对吗？\n\n答：可能吧。我没有计算。\n\n问：你打算用什么资金支付每月$1.1 million的利息？\n\n答：当我同意这个安排时，我实际上并不认为自己会需要付款，因为我非常确信游艇会按时回来，款项会回到该账户。\n\n而且判决书很棒。我从未预期自己会需要支付这笔钱。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第198页，共211页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\n问：你并未预期在游艇返回美国与款项能够返还给贷款人之间会有任何一段时间？\n\n答：当时，我只有几天时间借款并签署文件。我确实没有想那么多。\n\n问：修理游艇所需的资金呢？那笔钱将从哪里来？\n\n答：保险会支付其中一部分。我哥哥会替我支付其中一部分。\n\n问：Je先生是否曾告诉你，他将就借款向你每月收取一百万美元？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：你是否曾考虑过看看是否有人会向你收取较低的高利贷利率？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：你能重复一下这个问题吗？我不明白。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第198页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：当然。\n\n你是否曾了解过，是否有人会就该笔借款向你收取低于每月3%的利息？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是否知道，除Je先生外，是否还有其他人联系过其他贷款人来提供这笔资金？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你是否曾问过你哥哥，他是否会借钱给你，以支付与你父亲破产有关的保证金？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：在Je先生向你出借$37 million之前，你是否必须向他提供任何尽职调查文件？\n\nVARTAN先生：对“尽职调查文件”提出异议。我不知道该定义是否清楚。\n\n答：没有。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：Je先生在未查看任何尽职调查文件的情况下向你提供的$37 million贷款，是无担保的，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第200页，共211页\n\nM. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不太明白“无担保”的含义。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：Je先生并未因其贷款而取得任何担保权益，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：同一异议。我不知道她是否知道“担保权益”是什么意思。\n\n口译员：口译员不太确定担保权益的含义，因此我们正在讨论“担保权益”的恰当翻译。\n\nLUFT先生：“担保权益”怎么说？\n\nSONG（宋女士）：在什么语境下？\n\nVARTAN先生：我不知道担保权益是否意味着留置权。如果你想问留置权，就问留置权。\n\n核查口译员：它像是附表还是保证？\n\nVARTAN先生：对。我会认为个人保证属于担保权益。\n\nLUFT先生：不。我相信Zeisler（蔡斯勒先生）会告诉你，那不是——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第200页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN先生：我不是破产律师。\n\nLUFT先生：这就是为什么我建议你不要插话。\n\nVARTAN先生：我是在从非破产法的角度发表看法。\n\nROMNEY（罗姆尼先生）：个人保证很可能属于担保。它不是担保权益。留置权是一种担保权益，但不是唯一的一种。\n\nVARTAN先生：我有50%是对的。现在是7:00。\n\nLUFT先生：我不知道是否有50%。\n\n口译员：我正在向证人解释该术语的翻译。\n\n答：那么，你是在问我是否存在担保权益；对吗？\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：我们不如——我重复一下我的问题。\n\n答：谢谢。\n\n问：Je先生在未查看任何尽职调查文件的情况下向你提供的$37 million贷款，是无担保的，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第202页，共211页\n\n第201页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN先生：同一异议。\n\n答：我认为，对他而言，担保就是我们确信并告诉他，一旦游艇回来，钱就会回来。这就是担保。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：好的。就该贷款而言，你是否向Je先生提供过任何“了解你的客户”文件？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道那是什么。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：你阅读过贷款协议的条款吗？\n\n那么，该贷款协议——香港国际基金是与谁签订的？\n\n答：我确实阅读过条款。那是与Himalaya Financial Group（喜马拉雅金融集团）签订的。我不知道中文名称。\n\n问：Himalaya Financial Group从事什么业务？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第203页，共211页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第202页\n\n问：你是否了解他们曾发行——你是否了解他们发行加密货币？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：你是否听说过H Coin（H币）？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：是的。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：你是否知道Himalaya Financial与H Coin有关联？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你父亲与H Coin有关联，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：你是否听过你父亲的歌曲《H Coin to the Moon（H币飞向月球）》？\n\n答：我不确定。\n\n问：你想让我向你播放该视频吗？\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：好的。证言记录结束后，我会向你播放。那很好。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n第203页 M. Guo（郭美）\n\nVARTAN先生：我不知道我们是否会在证言记录结束后继续待着，但我们可以继续。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：事实上，你父亲与William Je（杰先生）有着长期的业务往来，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：你知道Je先生与ACA Capital（ACA资本）有关联，对吗？\n\n答：我想，是的，可能。\n\n问：你知道你父亲与ACA Capital有关联，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT先生：我将请法庭记录员将《协议裁定》副本标记为证物8，该裁定责令Hong Kong International Funds Investments Limited（香港国际基金投资有限公司）运送并交付该艘特定游艇，即Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）。\n\n（截至本日，郭美证物8已收到并标记供辨认。）\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第205页，共211页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第204页\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：郭女士，你认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：你是否记得曾阅读过这份文件？\n\n答：给我一点时间。我需要阅读它。\n\n问：当然。\n\n答：我对此有些印象。\n\n问：你是否参与协商这份协议？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：关于与该协议有关的协商，你是否有任何亲身了解？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：亲身了解，对吗？\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：是。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：代表Hong Kong International协商该协议的是谁？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：是谁？\n\n答：我想是一名来自康涅狄格州的律师。\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第206页，共211页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第205页\n\n问：你知道是哪一位吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：你是否记得，在他协商该协议期间，他曾与你讨论该协议的条款？\n\nVARTAN先生：只需回答是或否。\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：在他协商该协议期间，他与你进行过多少次谈话？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：我今天早些时候问过你，除Hong Kong International之外你拥有的其他实体。你告诉我，你记不起其中任何一个的名称。\n\n你记得该证言吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：歪曲证言。\n\n答：是，我记得。\n\nLUFT先生提问：\n\n问：我再问你同一个问题。\n\n除Hong Kong International之外，是否还有任何你担任董事的实体？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：我确实不记得。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。我们不如休息一下——\n\nTSG Reporting（TSG记录服务公司）—全球服务 877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文档 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第207页，共211页\n\nM. Guo（郭美） 第206页\n\n·2· ·休庭一下，看看我们是否接近结束。\n\n·3· · · · VARTAN先生（瓦尔坦）：· 我们还剩多少时间？\n\n·5· · · · 录像员：· 您想先暂停记录吗？\n\n·7· · · · VARTAN先生：· 请。\n\n·8· · · · 录像员：· 现在是晚上7:13。我们暂停记录。\n\n10· · · · （休庭。）\n\n11· · · · 录像员：· 现在是晚上7:31。我们恢复记录。\n\n13· · · · LUFT先生（卢夫特）：· Guo女士，我将基于我先前陈述的理由保持本次证言录取未结，包括您的律师被指示不得回答非特权问题、不当的特权问题、异议、缺失文件以及我提出的其他理由。\n\n20· · · · 除此之外，我目前没有进一步的问题要问您。\n\n22· · · · 证人：· 好的。\n\n23· · · · LUFT先生：· 谢谢您，Guo女士。\n\n24· · · · 证人：· 谢谢。\n\n25· · · · VARTAN先生：· 谢谢。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide Worldwide（TSG 报告服务—全球 全球）· ·877-702-9580\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 208 页，共 211 页\n\n·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · M. Guo（郭梅） 第 207 页\n\n·2· · · · · · ·证人：· 谢谢大家。\n\n·3· · · · · · ·录像员：· 现在是晚上7:32。我们暂停记录。\n\n·6· · · · · · ·（记录时间：晚上7:32。）\n\n11· · · · · · · · · · · ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n12· · · · · · · · · · · ·MEI GUO（郭梅）\n\n14· ·已签署并宣誓\n15· ·于2022年＿＿月＿＿日\n16· ·在本人面前。\n17· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 1797-8 提交于 05/16/23 登记于 05/16/23 23:52:24 第 209 页，共 211 页\n\n·1 第 208 页\n\n·2· · · · · · · · · · ·目录\n\n·3· ·LUFT先生· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·6\n\n·5· · · · · · · · · · ·证物\n\n·6· · · · · · ·（由法庭书记员保管）\n\n·7· ·证言录取· · · · ·证物· · · · · · · · · · ·页码\n\n·8· ·证物1· ·郭梅的宣誓书· · · · · · · · · 87\n\n·9· ·证物2· ·2022年2月2日听证会笔录· · · · · · ·92\n\n10· ·证物3· ·Lady May 船舶登记证书· · ·128\n\n11· ·证物4· ·日期为2021年6月7日的信函· · · · · ·141\n\n12· ·证物5· ·管理和运营协议· ·153\n\n13· · · · · · · · ·日期为2021年5月7日\n\n14· · ·证物6· ·裁定及命令，2020年10月15日·169\n\n15· · ·证物7· ·裁定及命令，2021年3月16日· ·172\n\n16· · ·证物8· ·约定命令· · · · · · · · · · ·204\n\n· · ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · · 10· ·9\n\n18· ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · · 20· ·15\n\n· · ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · · 25· ·13\n\n19· ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · · 28· ·22\n\n· · ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · · 39· ·19\n\n20· ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · ·116· ·10\n\n· · ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · ·187· ·10\n\n21· ·不得回答的指示· · · · · · · · ·195· ·17\n\n第 209 页\n\n·1· ·2· ·3· · · · · · · · · · · ·证明书\n\n·5· ·纽约州· )\n\n·6· · · · · · · · · · · ：· ss\n\n·7· · · · · · ·本人，Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特），纽约州、新泽西州及康涅狄格州内及为该等州执业的认证法庭书记员、注册优良书记员及公证人，特此证明：\n\n11· · · · · · ·上述证言录取所载证人MEI GUO（郭梅）已由本人依法宣誓，且该证言录取为该证人所作证言的真实记录。\n\n15· · · · · · ·本人进一步证明，本人与本诉讼任何一方均无血缘或婚姻关系，且本人对本案结果不具有任何利害关系。\n\n18· · · · · · ·兹证明，本人于2023年1月23日亲笔签署本证明书。\n\n21· · · · · · ·----------------------------------------\n\n· · · · · · · ·ANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特）, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR\n\n22· · · · · · ·执照编号 XI00218400\n\n1· · · · · · · · · ·更正表\n\n2· 案件名称：\n\n3· 证言录取日期：\n\n4· 证人：\n\n5· 页码· 行号· 现载内容· ·应改为· 理由\n\n6· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n7· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n8· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n9· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n10· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n11· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n12· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n13· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n14· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n15· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n16· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n17· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n18· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n19· ＿＿· ＿＿· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿· ·＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n20· · · · · · · · · · · · · ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 证人签名\n\n22· 于本人面前签署并宣誓\n\n23· 于2023年＿＿月＿＿日。\n\n24· ＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿\n\n25· （公证人）· ·本人委任期限届满日：＿＿＿＿＿＿","key_entities":["Guo","Je","Kwok","Himalaya","Despins","Ho Wan Kwok","Paul Hastings","William Je","Chinese Communist Party","CIPA"],"ecf_references":[],"word_count":63094,"status":"published","published_at":"2023-05-16 00:00:00","created_at":"2023-05-16","updated_at":"2026-08-23 23:28:12"}