{"id":"court_ctb_2032_47","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":2032,"sub_number":47,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":null,"title":"Exhibit 47 YVer1f","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **Exhibit 47**\n\n38\n\nYVer1f\n\n| 1 | Page 1 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | 2· ·UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT |\n| | 3· ·DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT |\n| | 4· ·BRIDGEPORT DIVISION |\n| | 5· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| | 6· ·In Re: |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Chapter 11
7· · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK,· · · · · · · · · Case No. |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 22-50073 (JAM)
8· · · · · · · · · · · ·Debtor. |\n| | 9· ·---------------------------------------X |\n| 10 | |\n| | 11· · · ·REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · ·Thursday, March 2, 2023 |\n| 13 | |\n| 14 | |\n| 15 | |\n| | 16· ·Reported by: |\n| | 17· ·Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR |\n| | 18· ·Job 222883 |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| | · · ·22 |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n| | Page 2 | | Page 3 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----|---------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| 2 | | | ·2· ·R E M O T E· ·A P P E A R A N C E S: |\n| | 3· · · · · · · · · · March 2, 2023 | | ·3· ·PAUL HASTINGS LLP
· · · · · · Attorneys for TRUSTEE |\n| | 4· · · · · · · · · ·10:28 a.m. | | ·4· · · · · 200 Park Avenue |\n| 5 | | | · · · · · · New York, New York· 10166 |\n| | | ·5 | |\n| | 6· · REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK, | | · · ·BY:· AVRAM LUFT, ESQ. |\n| | 7· · before Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court | | ·6· · · · DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ. |\n| | 8· · Reporter, Certified Realtime Reporter, Registered | ·7 | · · · · · WILL FARMER, ESQ. |\n| | 9· · Merit Reporter and Notary Public of the States of | | ·8· ·CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC |\n| | 10· · New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. | | · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL |\n| 11 | | | ·9· · · · · MEI GUO |\n| 12 | | | · · · · · · One Boland Drive |\n| 13 | | | 10· · · · · West Orange, New Jersey 07052 |\n| 14 | | 12 | 11· ·BY:· ·PATRICIA BERGAMASCO, ESQ. |\n| | | | 13· ·ZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C. |\n| 15 | | | · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL |\n| 16 | | | 14· · · · · MEI GUO |\n| 17 | | | · · · · · · 10 Middle Street |\n| 18 | | | 15· · · · · Bridgeport, Connecticut· 06604 |\n| 19 | | 17 | 16· ·BY:· ·AARON ROMNEY, ESQ. |\n| 20 | | | 18· ·ALSO PRESENT:· Matthew Chin-Quee, The Videographer |\n| 21 | | | 19· · · · · · · · · Luyi Song, Law Clerk, Paul Hastings |\n| 22 | | | 20· · · · · · · · · Jingyi Wang, Mandarin Interpreter |\n| | | | 21· · · · · · · · · Una Wilkinson, Mandarin Check Interpreter |\n| 23 | | 23 | 22· · · · · · **· · · · · · · **· · · · · · · ·** |\n| 24 | | 24 | |\n| 25 | | 25 | |\n| | Page 4 | | Page 5 |\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok |\n| | ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Good morning.· My name | | ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. |\n| | ·3· ·is Matthew Chin-Quee.· I'm a legal videographer | | ·3· · · · This is the start of tape number 1 of the |\n| | | | |\n| | ·4· ·in association with TSG Reporting.· I won't be | | ·4· ·videotaped deposition of Ho Wan Kwok in the |\n| | ·5· ·in the same room with the witness.· I'll record | | ·5· ·matter In Re: Ho Wan Kwok in the United States |\n| | ·6· ·the deposition remotely.· The reporter, | | ·6· ·Bankruptcy Court District of Connecticut |\n| | ·7· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett also will not be in the | | ·7· ·Bridgeport Division, number 22-50073 (JAM). |\n| | ·8· ·same room and will swear the witness remotely. | | ·8· ·The parties have agreed to appear remotely on |\n| | ·9· · · · Do parties stipulate to the validity of | | ·9· ·March 2, 2023, at approximately 10:28 a.m. |\n| | 10· ·the video recording and remote swearing and | | 10· · · · My name is Matthew Chin-Quee from |\n| | 11· ·that it will be admissible in the courtroom as | | 11· ·TSG Reporting, and I'm the legal video |\n| | 12· ·if it had been taken following Rule 30 of the | | 12· ·specialist.· The court reporter is |\n| | | | |\n| | 13· ·Federal Rules of Civil Procedures and the | | 13· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett, in association with |\n| | 14· ·state's rules where the case is pending? | | 14· ·TSG Reporting. |\n| | 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· This is Avi Luft on behalf of | | 15· · · · Will all counsel please introduce |\n| | 16· ·the Chapter 11 trustee, and we agree. | | 16· ·yourself. |\n| | 17· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, Aaron Romney, | | 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Hi.· This is Avi Luft of |\n| | | | |\n| | 18· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on behalf of the debtor, the | | 18· ·Paul Hastings.· I represent the Chapter 11 |\n| | | | |\n| | 19· ·witness.· We agree. | | 19· ·trustee in, in Re: Ho Wan Kwok.· Along with me |\n| | 20· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Patricia Bergamasco on | | 20· ·are my colleagues Douglass Barron, Will Farmer, |\n| | 21· ·behalf of Mei Guo and HK International. | | 21· ·and Luyi Song, who is a law clerk. |\n| | 22· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | | 22· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Aaron Romney, |\n| | 23· · · · This is the -- | | 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler.· I represent the Debtor |\n| | 24· · · · MR. LUFT:· You agree? | | 24· ·Mr. Kwok in the main bankruptcy case.· Also |\n| | 25· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes.· My apologies. | | 25· ·representing him in his capacity as a witness |\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 6 | Page 7 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · today in this adversary proceeding.· I do also | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. |\n| ·3· · · · have an appearance on behalf of Mei Guo and | ·3· ·EXAMINATION |\n| ·4· · · · HKI USA in this adversary proceeding. | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· This is Patricia | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Good morning, Mr. Kwok.· How are you? |\n| ·6· · · · Bergamasco from Zeisler & Zeisler, representing | ·6· · · · A.· ·I'm very well, Counsel.· How are you this |\n| ·7· · · · Mei Guo and HK International USA in the | ·7· ·morning? |\n| ·8· · · · adversary proceeding. | ·8· · · · Q.· ·I'm well.· Thank you for asking. |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | ·9· · · · · · ·Before we start, I'm going to read through |\n| 10· · · · · · ·Will the court reporter please swear in | 10· ·the terms that counsel has agreed to with regard to |\n| 11· · · · the Interpreter and the witness. | 11· ·this remote deposition today.· There are multiple, |\n| 12· ·J I N G Y I· ·W A N G, | 12· ·so I think what I will do, I will pause after each |\n| 13· · · · · having been first duly sworn by a Notary | 13· ·one so that the Interpreter has an opportunity to |\n| 14· · · · · Public within and for the State of New York, | 14· ·just translate it.· I'm not looking for an answer, |\n| 15· · · · · translated the questions from | 15· ·I'm just more just stating what they are.· But I |\n| 16· · · · · English to Mandarin and the answers | 16· ·think that will be easier. |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·Trustee has agreed to take the debtor's |\n| 17· · · · · from Mandarin to English under oath as | |\n| 18· · · · · follows: | 18· ·deposition remotely today based on the following |\n| 19· · Ho Wan Kwok, having been called as a witness, having been | 19· ·agreements agreed to by debtor's counsel, on his |\n| 20· ·first duly sworn (through an Interpreter),· was examined and | 20· ·behalf:· First, HK USA and Ms. Mei Guo no longer |\n| 21· ·testified as follows: | 21· ·intend to call the debtor to offer testimony on |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | 22· ·their behalf and have removed him from their list of |\n| 23· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· And just a note from the | 23· ·intended hearing witnesses. |\n| 24· · · · Interpreter.· The Interpreter has received the | 24· · · · · · ·The taking of this deposition remotely is |\n| 25· · · · link, and the realtime is now working. | 25· ·based on the understanding that other than questions |\n| | |\n| Page 8 | Page 9 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·regarding Mr. Kwok's name, his address, and | ·2· ·record at 10:37 a.m. |\n| ·3· ·identifying who his family members are, it is the | ·3· · · · (Recess.) |\n| ·4· ·debtor's intention to assert his Fifth Amendment | ·4· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the |\n| ·5· ·rights to any questions posed at this deposition. | ·5· ·record at 10:45 a.m. |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to assert -- to | ·6· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will keep going with the |\n| ·7· ·not -- excuse me.· Let me strike that. | ·7· ·stipulations.· Sorry for the technical issue. |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to not assert his | ·8· · · · The debtor must be physically within the |\n| ·9· ·Fifth Amendment rights and, instead, answer the | ·9· ·jurisdiction of the court, meaning within |\n| 10· ·questions, this is a breach of the agreement to | 10· ·100 miles of the court, when the deposition is |\n| 11· ·conduct his deposition remotely, and his deposition | 11· ·taken.· No one other than the debtor's |\n| 12· ·will immediately be taken in person.· Both sides are | 12· ·interpreter and his attorney from |\n| 13· ·clear that deciding to not answer a question by | 13· ·Zeisler & Zeisler may be in the room with the |\n| 14· ·asserting his Fifth Amendment rights is not an | 14· ·debtor when he is deposed.· The debtor may not |\n| 15· ·option for the debtor to consider at this time. | 15· ·communicate with anyone other than his counsel |\n| | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·The remote deposition is being offered in | 16· ·from Zeisler & Zeisler when the deposition is |\n| 17· ·good faith because the debtor requested it, not | 17· ·on the record. |\n| 18· ·because of need or the trustee's acknowledgment that | 18· · · · The debtor's interpreter is not to |\n| 19· ·a remote deposition of the debtor is appropriate | 19· ·communicate with the debtor while we are on the |\n| 20· ·here or going forward.· And any attempt to | 20· ·record.· The only interpreter is the official |\n| 21· ·substantively answer and not assert his Fifth | 21· ·one, Ms. Jingyi Wang.· The debtor's interpreter |\n| 22· ·Amendment rights is a breach of this agreement. | 22· ·is there to help the debtor communicate with |\n| 23· · · · · · ·I'm sorry.· We're going to need to go off | 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on breaks and to advise |\n| 24· ·the record.· My computer just crashed.· I apologize.
25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | 24· ·Zeisler & Zeisler regarding the translation
25· ·while the deposition is ongoing.· The debtor's |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\nPage 10 ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok ·2· ·interpreter is not to speak on the record. ·3· · · · The debtor is to have access to no devices ·4· ·that can send or receive messages while the ·5· ·deposition is on the record.· The debtor is not ·6· ·to send or read messages during the deposition ·7· ·while it is on the record. ·8· · · · Are we -- all counsel, are we all still in ·9· ·agreement as to these stipulated agreements? 10· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes.· That's correct.· The 11· ·only qualification I would say is, to the 12· ·extent I need to say something on the record 13· ·that requires the debtor to understand 14· ·Ms. Wilkinson -- to the extent I need to 15· ·communicate with the debtor, it will be through 16· ·Ms. Wilkinson. 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, while we're on the 18· ·record, I'd ask that you use Ms. Wang to speak 19· ·to the debtor.· To extent you need to speak to 20· ·him about privilege, let's go off the record, 21· ·in which case, you can use Ms. Wilkinson 22· ·however you need to, to speak to him. 23· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Sure.· I think that's 24· ·generally correct.· To the extent that, like in 25· ·a typical setting, where I would say something Page 11 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · to a client on the record without taking a ·3· · · · break to determine if a break is necessary, it ·4· · · · may need to be through Ms. Wilkinson, but I'm ·5· · · · not anticipating any issues. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine. ·7· · · · · · ·And Ms. Bergamasco, you remain in ·8· · · · agreement to these terms? ·9· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Can you repeat that? 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just confirming that your firm 11· · · · remains in agreement to the terms that have 12· · · · been agreed upon that I have just set forth. 13· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes. 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been extremely patient. 17· ·Thank you for that. 18· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, can I ask you to state your name 19· ·and your residence for the record? 20· · · · A.· ·My Chinese name is Kwok Ho Wan.· My 21· ·address is on the Fifth Avenue in New York.· It's 22· ·the Sherry-Netherlands, but I can't remember the 23· ·exact number.· It's either 768 or 769. 24· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, are you in that address 25· ·right now? Page 12 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I know you've been ·4· ·deposed before, but I just want to go over some ·5· ·basic ground rules just so we are on the same page; ·6· ·is that okay? ·7· · · · A.· ·Okay. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you understand that you're ·9· ·testifying under oath today? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. 11· · · · Q.· ·And by that, all your -- any testimony you 12· ·offer must be truthful. 13· · · · · · ·Do you understand that? 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. 15· · · · Q.· ·Is there any reason that you cannot offer 16· ·truthful testimony today? 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, can we have an agreement that if 19· ·any of my questions are not clear to you, you will 20· ·ask me -- you will let me know and ask me to 21· ·clarify? 22· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Thank you very much. 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, if you don't tell me that 24· ·something is unclear, could we have an agreement 25· ·that I can assume that you understand my question? Page 13 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay.· That's fine. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is anyone in the room with you ·4· ·today? ·5· · · · A.· ·My attorney and the Interpreter, Una. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Is your attorney Mr. Romney? ·7· · · · A.· ·I only know him by Aaron.· I'm not sure ·8· ·about his other name. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, that is you, 10· · · · correct? 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, it is me, Avi.· Aaron 12· · · · Romney. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·And your interpreter is Una Wilkinson, 15· ·correct? 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. 17· · · · Q.· ·Is there anyone else in the room with you 18· ·today? 19· · · · A.· ·No. 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is the name of your 21· ·daughter? 22· · · · A.· ·Kwok Mei. 23· · · · Q.· ·And what is the name of your son? 24· · · · A.· ·Kwok Qiang. 25· · · · Q.· ·Does he sometimes also go by the name\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n38\n\n\n\n| Page 14
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·Mileson Kwok? | | ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the Lady May |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·And what is name of your wife? | | ·4· ·was purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong |\n| | | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Yu Chang Chu. | | ·5· ·International Funds Investments Limited, which I |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, did you do anything to prepare | | ·6· ·will also refer to as \"HK International,\" you have |\n| ·7· ·for your deposition today? | | ·7· ·been the beneficial owner of the Lady May, correct? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | | ·8· · · · A.· ·I assert the Fifth. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Did you meet with counsel to prepare for | | ·9· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was |\n| 10· ·your deposition today? | | 10· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. | | 11· ·you, the debtor, have been the equitable owner of |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you review any documents in | | 12· ·the Lady May, correct? |\n| 13· ·preparation for your deposition today? | | 13· · · · A.· ·I plead the Fifth. |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·No. | | 14· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Did you review anything to refresh your | | 15· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, |\n| 16· ·recollection for your deposition today? | | 16· ·you have controlled the Lady May? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·At this point, Mr. Kwok, we're going to | | 18· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was |\n| 19· ·shift to the substantive part of your deposition to | | 19· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong |\n| 20· ·which I understand it is your intention to plead the | | 20· ·International, you have been the legal owner of the |\n| 21· ·Fifth. | | 21· ·Lady May? |\n| 22· · · · · · ·I ask that you just let me finish asking | | 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, what is the |\n| 23· ·my question and allow the translator to fully | | 23· · · · question?· Is that the question whether I am? |\n| 24· ·translate it before you make any such assertion, | | 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes. |\n| 25· ·okay? | 25 | |\n| Page 16 | | Page 17 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·2· ·establishment of HK International, you have |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is my statement correct? | | ·3· ·controlled HK International, correct? |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need Mei Guo's | | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the |\n| ·6· ·permission to board the Lady May, correct? | | ·6· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·7· ·legal owner, correct? |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· ·permission to use the Lady May, correct? | | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 10· ·establishment of HK International, it has been -- it |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | | 11· ·has been your alter ego, correct? |\n| 12· ·permission to direct the crew of the Lady May to | | 12· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Counsel, could you |\n| 13· ·navigate the Lady May from location to location, | | 13· · · · please explain \"alter ego\"? |\n| 14· ·correct? | | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just translate the term.· It's |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 15· · · · a legal term. |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | 16· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I've got the legal term. |\n| 17· ·establishment of Hong Kong International Funds | | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. |\n| 18· ·Investment Limited, you have been its beneficial | | 18· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· The Fifth. |\n| 19· ·owner, correct? | | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an entity |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | 21· ·called \"HK International Funds Investment USA |\n| 22· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its | | 22· ·Limited,\" or I may refer to it as \"HK USA,\" correct? |\n| 23· ·equitable owner, correct? | | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | | 25· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n\n\n| Page 18
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·beneficial owner, correct? | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Natasha Qu to |\n| | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | ·4· ·execute a declaration of trust, governing your |\n| ·5· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its equitable | ·5· ·shares in Hong Kong International on or about |\n| ·6· ·owner, correct? | ·6· ·October 10, 2014, correct? |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· At this point, I'd ask the |\n| ·9· ·establishment of HK USA, you have controlled it, | ·9· · · · court reporter to mark as Kwok PJR Deposition |\n| 10· ·correct? | 10· · · · Exhibit 1, a copy of the declaration of trust |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· · · · made on the 10th day of October 2014, as well |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | 12· · · · as the certified translation we have of it. |\n| 13· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its legal | 13· · · · · · ·I'll ask my colleague, Mr. Farmer, to post |\n| 14· ·owner, correct? | 14· · · · that if possible. |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 1 was received and |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | 16· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) |\n| 17· ·establishment of HK USA, it has been your alter ego, | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18· ·correct? | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, take a minute to review the |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· ·Exhibit 1. |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know an individual named | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, may be the formatting of |\n| 21· ·Natasha Qu, correct? | 21· · · · the screen.· I don't see Bates numbers on |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· · · · there. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer of HK International | 23· · · · · · ·Have these been produced in connection |\n| 24· ·to Natasha Qu was done to hide your assets from your | 24· · · · with the PJR proceeding? |\n| 25· ·creditors, correct? | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· There is no Bates number.· We |\n| | |\n| | |\n| Page 20 | Page 21 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · have offered to produce it to you. | ·2· ·the Lady May, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm sorry.· I'm not sure what | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. |\n| ·4· · · · you're referring to. | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm done reading it. | ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased on |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is this a true and correct copy | ·7· ·your behalf, correct? |\n| ·8· ·of the Declaration of Trust you entered into with | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· ·Natasha Kwok [sic] on October 10 -- Natasha Qu, on | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased for |\n| 10· ·October 10, 2014, relating to your shares of Hong | 10· ·you to control and beneficially own, correct? |\n| 11· ·Kong International? | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form of the | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all of the funds used to |\n| 13· · · · question. | 13· ·purchase the Lady May were funds you owned and |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· ·controlled, correct? |\n| | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the signed copy of Exhibit 1, | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you funded the purchase of the |\n| 17· ·the Declaration of Trust, dated October 10, 2014, | 17· ·Lady May on February 23, 2015, with funds you |\n| 18· ·was given to your counsel Stevenson, Wong & Co. for | 18· ·exclusively controlled to an entity named Bravo |\n| 19· ·them to retain on your behalf, correct? | 19· ·Luck, correct? |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the terms of the | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Bravo Luck is an entity that you |\n| 22· ·Declaration of Trust, even after Hong Kong | 22· ·at all times have had exclusive control over, |\n| 23· ·International was transferred by you to Natasha Qu, | 23· ·correct? |\n| 24· ·you still retained control and beneficial ownership
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Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·exclusive control over the assets of Bravo Luck, | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· ·correct? | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Ms. Qu to transfer |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· ·her purported ownership in Hong Kong International |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the funds used to | ·5· ·to Mei Guo for the consideration of one Hong Kong |\n| ·6· ·purchase the Lady May belonged to your son, Mileson | ·6· ·dollar on June 27, 2017, correct? |\n| ·7· ·Kwok, correct? | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had the Lady May purchased | ·9· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of |\n| 10· ·by Hong Kong International for your own use, | 10· ·HK International to Mei Guo for the consideration of |\n| 11· ·correct? | 11· ·one Hong Kong dollar in an attempt to obscure your |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· ·International to purchase the Lady May with your own | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on |\n| 15· ·assets to attempt to obscure your ownership of the | 15· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK |\n| 16· ·Lady May, correct? | 16· ·International to Mei Guo for the consideration of |\n| | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·one Hong Kong dollar to try to shield the Lady May |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, when I refer to Bravo Luck, | 18· ·from your creditors, correct? |\n| 19· ·you understand I'm referring to Bravo Luck Limited, | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· ·correct? | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained |\n| 23· ·International to purchase the Lady May with funds | 23· ·in control of and the beneficial owner |\n| 24· ·you owned to shield the Lady May from your | 24· ·of HK International, correct? |\n| 25· ·creditors, correct? | 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| | |\n| Page 24 | Page 25 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Let me just break that up, because there | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, |\n| ·5· ·was an objection. | ·5· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·The transfer on June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's | ·6· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained |\n| ·7· ·purported ownership of HK International to Mei Guo | ·7· ·the beneficial owner of the Lady May both before and |\n| ·8· ·did not change the fact that you remained in control | ·8· ·after the transfer, correct? |\n| ·9· ·of HK International following that transfer, | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 10· ·correct? | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you -- and by that, I mean |\n| 13· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | 13· ·yourself or through your agents -- directed the |\n| 14· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | 14· ·formation of HK International Funds Investments USA |\n| 15· ·the beneficial owner of Hong Kong International | 15· ·Limited on September 11, 2018, correct? |\n| 16· ·after that transfer, correct? | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· ·HK USA in an attempt to obscure your ownership of |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 19· ·the Lady May, correct? |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23· ·in control of the Lady May both before and after the | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to |\n| 24· ·transfer, correct? | 24· ·HK USA at your direction in an attempt to shield it |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 25· ·from your creditor, correct? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\nPage 26 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have used the entities ·4· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital to pay the expenses ·5· ·of the Lady May, correct? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the owner of 10· ·Golden Spring, correct? 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets owned by Golden 15· ·Spring belong to you, correct? 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Golden Springs 20· ·Limited, correct? 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have control of all assets 23· ·of Golden Spring, correct? 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the Page 27 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring New York Limited, ·3· ·which I've been referring to as \"Golden Spring,\" ·4· ·were paid with funds you control, correct? ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the ·7· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid with funds ·8· ·you owned, correct? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the 13· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid at your 14· ·direction, correct? 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by 17· ·Golden Spring for the Lady May were paid for with 18· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok, correct? 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the equitable owner of 23· ·Lamp Capital, correct? 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of Page 28 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·Lamp Capital, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the equitable owner of ·5· ·Golden Spring, correct? ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of ·8· ·Golden Spring, correct? ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over 11· ·Lamp Capital, correct? 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the 14· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with 15· ·assets you controlled, correct? 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the 18· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with 19· ·assets that you owned, correct? 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the 24· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid at your 25· ·direction, correct? Page 29 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by ·4· ·Lamp Capital related to the Lady May were paid with ·5· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the assets of 10· ·Lamp Capital belong to Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Mileson Kwok, 11· ·correct? 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over 16· ·the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no 19· ·control over the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no 22· ·control over the assets of Golden Spring, correct? 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\nYVer1f\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 30 | Page 31 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Yvette Wang to take | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner |\n| ·4· ·actions on your behalf related to the Lady May and | ·4· ·that relate to the Lady May are taken at your |\n| ·5· ·HK USA and HK International, correct? | ·5· ·direction, correct? |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·8· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Max Krasner to take | ·9· ·correct? |\n| 10· ·actions related to the Lady May, HK International, | 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 11· ·and HK USA on your behalf, correct? | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. | 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 14· ·relating to HK International are taken at your |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | 15· ·direction, correct? |\n| 16· ·relating to the Lady May are taken at your | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 17· ·direction, correct? | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 18· ·relating to HK USA are taken at your direction, |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· ·correct? |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 22· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, | 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23· ·correct? | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 24· ·relating to HK International are taken on your |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 25· ·behalf, correct? |\n| | |\n| | |\n| Page 32 | Page 33 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner |\n| ·6· ·relating to HK USA are taken on your behalf, | ·6· ·as related to HK USA are taken on your behalf, |\n| ·7· ·correct? | ·7· ·correct? |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Yvette Wang is currently your |\n| 12· ·as related to HK International are taken at your | 12· ·employee, correct? |\n| 13· ·direction, correct? | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang has been your employee |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· ·since at least 2015 and up through the present, |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 16· ·correct? |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 18· ·as related to HK USA are taken at your direction, | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang, since at least 2015 |\n| 19· ·correct? | 19· ·through the present, has acted as your agent, |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 20· ·correct? |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang currently acts as your |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | 23· ·agent, correct? |\n| 24· ·as related to HK International are taken on your
25· ·behalf, correct? | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·Ms. Wang, correct? | ·2· ·home address? |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at what location does Ms. Wang | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current |\n| ·5· ·currently reside? | ·5· ·phone number? |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner is currently your | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch |\n| ·8· ·employee, correct? | ·8· ·with Ms. Yvette Wang, correct? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times Mr. Krasner has had | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared that |\n| 11· ·any involvement with the Lady May, he has been your | 11· ·information with the trustee, correct? |\n| 12· ·employee, correct? | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the Interpreter ask the |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times that you've had | 14· · · · witness if he needs a break. |\n| 15· ·involvement with Mr. Krasner, he has acted as your | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 16· ·agent, correct? | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·with Mr. Krasner, correct? |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner currently acts as | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, could you not hear what |\n| 19· ·your agent, correct? | 19· · · · I just placed on the record. |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I did not hear you, Aaron. |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have Mr. Krasner's current | 21· · · · Sorry. |\n| 22· ·contact information, including his address and his | 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Oh, I'm sorry.· I had asked |\n| 23· ·phone number, correct? | 23· · · · if the Interpreter could ask the witness if he |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 24· · · · needs a break. |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current | 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Oh, okay. |\n| | |\n| Page 36 | Page 37 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·(Complies.) | ·2· · · · record at 11:47 a.m. |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· It's quite tiring. I | ·3· · · · · · ·(Recess.) |\n| ·4· · · · need a break. | ·4· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Aaron, I have like two | ·5· · · · record at 12:05 p.m. |\n| ·6· · · · more questions just to finish this.· Could we | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· · · · just do that, and then we'll take a break? | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate authority with |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. | ·8· ·respect to the movements of the Lady May, correct? |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know the contact | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate control over |\n| 11· ·information, including address and phone number, of | 11· ·where the crew of the Lady May sails the yacht, |\n| 12· ·Mr. Krasner currently, correct? | 12· ·correct? |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared this | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the |\n| 15· ·information with the trustee, correct? | 15· ·Lady May to be sailed from New York to Florida in |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 16· ·2020, correct? |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, if you want to take a | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 18· · · · break now, that's fine.· How long would you | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from |\n| 19· · · · like? | 19· ·New York to Florida in the fall of 2020 because you |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· How long do you want?· Five, | 20· ·directed that it be done so, correct? |\n| 21· · · · ten minutes? | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ten minutes. | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Ten minutes? | 23· ·Lady May to be sailed from Florida to the Bahamas in |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure.
25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | 24· ·the fall of 2020, correct?
25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 38 | Page 39 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· ·Florida to the Bahamas in the fall of 2020 because | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when you directed the Lady May |\n| ·4· ·you instructed the crew for it to do so, correct? | ·4· ·to sail to Europe in 2021, you and your daughter, |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·5· ·Mei Guo, were aware that doing so would violate |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you instructed the Lady May to | ·6· ·Ostrager's order and cause you to incur contempt |\n| ·7· ·be sailed to Europe in 2021, correct? | ·7· ·fees, correct? |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason the Lady May was | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· ·sailed to Europe in 2021 was because you gave | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11· ·instructions for that to happen, correct? | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was returned to |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 12· ·Connecticut waters in 2022 only because you directed |\n| | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· ·that to happen, correct? |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave directions for the | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an |\n| 16· ·Lady May to be sailed to Europe to keep the Lady May | 16· ·individual named William Je? |\n| 17· ·out of the hands of your creditors, correct? | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, William Je is a close family |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May remained in Europe | 19· ·friend, correct? |\n| 20· ·until you authorized it to return to the | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 21· ·United States, correct? | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is referred to by your |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·daughter as \"Uncle William,\" correct? |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the only person who had | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 24· ·the authority to order the Lady May to return to the | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts as an agent, |\n| 25· ·United States, correct? | 25· ·correct? |\n| | |\n| Page 40 | Page 41 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·control, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is currently acting as | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·4· ·your agent in your business dealings, correct? | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in April of 2022, Mr. Je -- any | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any entities purportedly under |\n| ·7· ·actions Mr. Je took in relation to the Lady May were | ·7· ·the control of William Je are actually entities |\n| ·8· ·as your agent, correct? | ·8· ·under your control, correct? |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions Mr. Je takes in | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 11· ·connection with business dealings are taken at your | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12· ·direction, correct? | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement dated |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 13· ·April 19, 2022, between Himalaya International |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· ·Financial Group Limited as lender and HK USA as |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· ·borrower was arranged at your request, correct? |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, with regard to any business | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 17· ·dealings involving you and Mr. Je, Mr. Je is under | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Himalaya |\n| 18· ·your control, correct? | 18· ·International Financial Group Limited, correct? |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I want to speak with my |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts at your direction to | 20· · · · attorney now. |\n| 21· ·generate funds for you through the use of the | 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. |\n| 22· ·Himalaya Farms, correct? | 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Take five. |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets purportedly under the | 24· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the |\n| 25· ·control of William Je are actually assets under your | 25· · · · record at 12:17 p.m. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n\n\n| Page 42 | Page 43 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | ·2· ·Financial Group Limited will be made to entities |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | ·3· ·that you control, correct? |\n| ·4· · · · record at 12:24 p.m. | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· ·Himalaya International Financial Group Limited, | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any payment of interest by |\n| ·8· ·correct? | ·8· ·HK USA on account of the purported \\$37 million loan |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· ·from Himalaya International Financial Group Limited |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets of Himalaya | 10· ·will be paid to an entity that you control, correct? |\n| 11· ·International Financial Group Limited are under your | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 12· ·control, correct? | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the \\$37 million of funds | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the February 7, 2022, |\n| 15· ·Himalaya International Financial Group loaned to | 15· ·evidentiary hearing before Justice Ostrager of the |\n| 16· ·HK USA were funds that you owned and controlled, | 16· ·Supreme Court of the State of New York, your |\n| 17· ·correct? | 17· ·interest was for the Court to find HK USA to be the |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· ·beneficial owner and to have control of the |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control the \\$37 million that | 19· ·Lady May, correct? |\n| 20· ·was put in escrow by HK USA in connection with this | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question. |\n| 21· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? | 21· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I didn't catch.· Someone |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· · · · mentioned something after the question. |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any repayment by HK USA of the | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we have the question |\n| 24· ·principal \\$37 million on account of the purported | 24· · · · read back. |\n| 25· ·\\$37 million loan from Himalaya International | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Could we get it translated, and |\n| | |\n| | |\n| Page 44 | Page 45 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · then it can be read back. | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· (Complies.) | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we hear the question | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed your counsel for |\n| ·5· · · · read back before? | ·5· ·the February 7, 2022, evidentiary hearing to enter |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | ·6· ·into a common interest agreement with HK USA and |\n| ·7· · · · Reporter.) | ·7· ·Mei Guo in connection with that hearing, correct? |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to direct the |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · witness not to answer based on the |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 10· · · · attorney-client privilege. |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, you know that is |\n| 12· ·appeared at the February 7, 2022, evidentiary | 12· · · · pre-petition, and thus, any common interest |\n| 13· ·hearing, correct? | 13· · · · belongs to the trustee, correct? |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Can the reporter read the |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | 15· · · · question, please -- read back the question. |\n| 16· ·helped present your defense at the February 7, 2022, | 16· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the |\n| 17· ·hearing, correct? | 17· · · · Reporter.) |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer. |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA and Mei Guo shared |\n| 22· ·worked with your counsel at the February 7, 2022, | 22· ·identical interests to you in the court finding |\n| 23· ·hearing to prepare for and present your case, | 23· ·HK USA was the beneficial owner and had control over |\n| 24· ·correct?
25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 24· ·the Lady May for the February 7, 2022, evidentiary
25· ·hearing before Justice Ostrager, correct? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\nof 38\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 46 | | Page 47 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Golden Spring |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, schedules you had filed in | | ·5· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? |\n| ·6· ·connection with your Chapter 11 filing should have | | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·7· ·included your beneficial ownership of the Lady May | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Lamp Capital |\n| ·8· ·as an asset of your estate, correct? | | ·8· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 11· ·your son Mileson Kwok are really assets of your |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the schedules you filed in | | 12· ·estate, correct? |\n| | | |\n| 13· ·connection with the Chapter 11 filing should have | | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· ·included your beneficial ownership of HK USA as an | | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of |\n| 15· ·asset of the estate, correct? | | 15· ·your daughter Mei Guo are really assets of your |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 16· ·estate, correct? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets of Golden Spring and | | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20· ·Lamp Capital that have been used to pay the | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of |\n| 21· ·Lady May's expenses, including any legal fees | | 21· ·your wife Hing Chi Ngok are actually assets of your |\n| 22· ·related to it, should have been declared as assets | | 22· ·estate, correct? |\n| 23· ·of the estate on your schedules for your Chapter 11 | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 24· ·filing, correct? | | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 25 | |\n| Page 48 | | Page 49 |\n| | | |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have directed that numerous | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these |\n| ·4· ·offshore companies, whether located in the BVI, Hong | | ·4· ·offshore entities set up and placed assets in them |\n| ·5· ·Kong, and elsewhere, be set up for purposes of | | ·5· ·is to attempt to hide your assets from your |\n| ·6· ·holding your assets, correct? | | ·6· ·creditors, correct? |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have had these offshore | | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your |\n| ·9· ·companies set up in the name of your children, your | | ·9· ·daughter Mei Guo is a member, director, or principal |\n| 10· ·wife, and your business associates, correct? | | 10· ·are actually beneficially owned and controlled by |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 11· ·you, correct? |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, regardless of whether any of | | 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. |\n| 13· ·these entities are listed in the name of your wife, | | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· ·your daughter, your son, Ms. Wang, Mr. Krasner, or | | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 15· ·any of your other business associates, in fact, you | | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA, HK International, |\n| 16· ·own and control each of these offshore entities, | | 16· ·Eastern Profit Corporation Limited, Whitecroft Shore |\n| 17· ·correct? | | 17· ·Limited, Anton Development Limited, Anton |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 18· ·Development USA Limited LLC, GM27 LLC, Loss Draft |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 19· ·LLC, Gypsy May Productions LLC, Gypsy May Food |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 20· ·Service LLC, Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC, Hudson |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these | | 21· ·Diamond New York LLC, Allied Capital Global Limited, |\n| 22· ·offshore entities set up was to obscure your | | 22· ·Creative Apex Investment Limited, Crystal Breeze |\n| 23· ·ownership of the assets that they held, correct? | | 23· ·Investments Limited, Elite Well Global Limited, |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 24· ·Globalist International Limited, Infinite Increased |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 25· ·Limited, Infinium Developments Limited, Noble Fame |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 50
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·Global Limited, Rosy Acme Ventures Limited, Leading | | ·2· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, |\n| ·3· ·Shine New York Limited, and Leading Shine Limited | | ·3· ·were provided by Mei Guo and any entity she owns or |\n| ·4· ·are all assets held in the name of your daughter but | | ·4· ·controls? |\n| | | |\n| ·5· ·that you actually own and control, correct? | | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I apologize.· Could we have |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·6· · · · that one read back as well.· I'm sorry. |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·7· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·8· · · · Reporter.) |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 10· ·Mei Guo were purchased with funds exclusively owned | | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 11· ·and controlled by you, correct? | | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the reporter read that | | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds |\n| 13· · · · back before the witness answers. | | 13· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | | 14· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, |\n| 15· · · · Reporter.) | | 15· ·were provided by any family members of yours |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 16· ·residing in China, correct? |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 19· ·Mei Guo are exclusively owned and controlled by you, | | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20· ·correct? | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has no source of income |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 21· ·other than from entities that you own and control, |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 22· ·correct? |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 25· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | 25 | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 52 | | Page 53 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·2· ·even after being transferred to Mileson Kwok, |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mei Guo receives from | | ·3· ·correct? |\n| ·4· ·any entity you own and control are gifts from you to | | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·5· ·her, correct? | | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mileson Kwok receives |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·8· ·from any entity you own and control are gifts from |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mei Guo and any | | ·9· ·you, correct? |\n| 10· ·entities in her name received from any entity you | | 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 11· ·own and control remain funds under your control even | | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 12· ·after being transferred to Ms. Guo, correct? | | 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has never been the CEO | | 14· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including |\n| 15· ·of Pangu Plaza, correct? | | 15· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 16· ·were provided by Mileson Kwok and any entity he owns |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 17· ·and controls? |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mileson Kwok has no source of | | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· ·income other from entities -- other than from | | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21· ·entities that you own and control, correct? | | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your son |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 22· ·Mileson Kwok is named as a member, director or |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mileson Kwok and | | 23· ·principal are actually beneficially owned and |\n| 24· ·any entities in his name received from any entity | | 24· ·controlled by you, correct? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 54 | Page 55 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·your son Mileson Kwok are, in fact, owned and |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·3· ·controlled by you, correct? |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Golden Spring New York Limited, | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. |\n| ·5· ·Lamp Capital LLC, Bravo Luck Limited, Infinity | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· ·Treasury Management, Inc., Saraca Media Group, Inc., | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·7· ·K Legacy Limited, Well Origin Limited, ACA Hong Kong | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this includes the residence at |\n| ·8· ·Investment Holdings Group Limited, and | ·8· ·5 Princess Gate, London, correct? |\n| ·9· ·Powerwell Flowable Limited are all entities held in | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· ·the name of your son Miles Kwok, but, in fact, are | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control your son |\n| 11· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | 11· ·Mileson Kwok's collection of cars, correct? |\n| | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, we're getting pretty far |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 14· · · · afield of the issues in this adversary |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the entity known as Kingdom Rich | 15· · · · proceeding.· I've been giving quite a bit of |\n| 16· ·Limited is owned and controlled by you, not your | 16· · · · leeway, but I am going to have to start |\n| 17· ·son, correct? | 17· · · · directing the witness not to answer, and we'll |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· · · · move for a protective order if we have to. |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | 19· · · · · · ·I don't believe there's any allegations |\n| 20· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | 20· · · · concerning cars in the counterclaims that we're |\n| 21· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | 21· · · · here discussing today. |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree, I think.· But I |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 23· · · · have a couple of wrap-up questions right here, |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 24· · · · and then I think we'll -- my next set of |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | 25· · · · questions, I think you'll see -- I don't think |\n| | |\n| Page 56 | Page 57 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · there will be any dispute between us as to | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·3· · · · their relevance. | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were Hong Kong |\n| ·6· ·your son Mileson Kwok are owned or controlled by any | ·6· ·International's sole shareholder and director up to |\n| ·7· ·of your -- his family members other than you, | ·7· ·and through October 10, 2014, correct? |\n| | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in October 2014, Natasha Qu, |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 10· ·also known as Qu Guo Jiao was your financial |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 11· ·manager, correct? |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | 13· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Qu handled your financial affairs |\n| 14· ·owned or controlled by any of its family members | 14· ·at that time, correct? |\n| 15· ·other than you, correct? | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time Ms. Qu was your |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·employee and acted as your agent on all matters |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 18· ·relating to your finances, correct? |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on October 3, 2006, you | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 20· ·incorporated a Hong Kong entity named Hong Kong | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 21· ·International Funds Limited, which we've been | 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22· ·referring to as HK International, correct? | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Declaration of Trust that |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 23· ·was entered into between you and Ms. Qu, which has |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time, all assets of Hong
25· ·Kong International belonged to you, correct? | 24· ·been marked as Exhibit 1, identified Ms. Qu as the
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·2· ·beneficiary under the agreement, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that Declaration of Trust which | ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·6· ·has been marked as Exhibit 1, which I'll refer to as | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the HK International Declaration |\n| ·7· ·\"HK International Declaration of Trust,\" was entered | ·7· ·of Trust that you entered into with Ms. Qu provides |\n| ·8· ·into with Ms. Qu -- sorry -- that was entered into | ·8· ·that Ms. Qu would hold the shares in Hong Kong |\n| ·9· ·with Ms. Qu, authorized and requested Ms. Qu to hold | ·9· ·International that you transferred to her as nominee |\n| 10· ·your main shares in Hong Kong International, | 10· ·and in trust for you, correct? |\n| 11· ·correct? | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to strike that | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the HK International |\n| 13· · · · question, because I don't think it came across | 13· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with |\n| 14· · · · clearly. | 14· ·Ms. Qu, Ms. Qu was to exercise the rights in |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· ·connection with the HK International shares that you |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the Hong Kong | 16· ·transferred to her solely at your direction, |\n| 17· ·International Declaration of Trust you entered into | 17· ·correct? |\n| 18· ·with Ms. Qu, you authorized and requested Ms. Qu to | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 19· ·hold in your name shares in Hong Kong International, | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· ·correct? | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, even after October 10, 2014, you |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Hong Kong International | 22· ·continued to beneficially own HK International |\n| 23· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with | 23· ·pursuant to the undisclosed HK International |\n| 24· ·Ms. Qu provides that the shares you transferred to | 24· ·Declaration of Trust, correct? |\n| 25· ·Ms. Qu do not belong to Ms. Qu, but to you, as the | 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.· Also, |\n| Page 60 | Page 61 |\n| | |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · asked and answered. | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Asked and answered.· Okay. | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in February 2015, you |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·5· ·exclusively beneficially owned and controlled |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, after October 10, 2014, you | ·6· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct? |\n| ·7· ·continued to control HK International, correct? | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection.· Asked and | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· · · · answered. | ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·I'm quite confused.· You're asking the | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, today you still beneficially own |\n| 11· ·same questions.· Every time, the same questions | 11· ·and control Bravo Luck Limited, correct? |\n| 12· ·again and again. | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015, Bravo Luck |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I don't believe I am.· Your | 14· ·Limited transferred, at your direction, funds from a |\n| 15· ·counsel is free to raise an asked-and-answered | 15· ·Bravo Luck bank account at UBS that you exclusively |\n| 16· ·objection, even though it is not an appropriate | 16· ·control, correct? |\n| 17· ·objection at a deposition.· With that said, he's | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 18· ·free to raise it, but I still will need you to | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 19· ·answer the question. | 19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that the court |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · reporter mark as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 2, |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015, | 21· · · · document bearing the Bates stamp UBS00137 |\n| 22· ·HK International purchased the Lady May for | 22· · · · through 156. |\n| 23· ·EUR 28 million from Apsley Yacht Limited at your | 23· · · · · · ·Will, that's tab 190, if you could put it |\n| 24· ·direction, correct?
25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 24· · · · up.
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·This shows the UBS wire transfer of |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? | | ·4· ·25 million for purposes of purchasing the Lady May? |\n| | | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could you make that larger? | | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Is that a question?· I didn't |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·6· · · · know if you were talking. |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just setting it up.· I will |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a 2015 UBS bank | | ·8· · · · ask him a question once he can see it, Aaron. |\n| ·9· ·statement for Bravo Luck showing funds that you | | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yeah, yeah.· That's -- I just |\n| 10· ·beneficially owned and controlled in that account, | | 10· · · · wanted clarification.· Thank you. |\n| 11· ·correct? | | 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine.· I didn't want to ask him |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 12· · · · the question before he could see the document. |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the funds held by -- in that | | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yep. |\n| 14· ·Bravo Luck account on your behalf at UBS came from | | 14· · · · · · ·Could you make that a bit bigger, please. |\n| 15· ·Eastern Profit Corporation in the amount of | | 15· · · · · · ·Thank you. |\n| 16· ·370 million and Hong Kong International in the | | 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 17· ·amount of 150 million, both entities that you owned | | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, first of all, if we scroll down, |\n| 18· ·and controlled, correct? | | 18· ·do you recognize the signature on the document? |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that's your signature, correct? |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask the court reporter to | | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 22· · · · mark, as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 3, a | | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a UBS wire transfer |\n| 23· · · · document Bates-stamped UBS02746. | | 23· ·document showing the transfer of \\$25 million of |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 3 was received and | | 24· ·funds from the UBS bank account we just saw a |\n| 25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | 25· ·statement for in Exhibit 2 that were used for |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 64 | | Page 65 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·purchases of acquiring the Lady May for you, | | ·2· ·Sorry, Jingyi. |\n| ·3· ·correct? | | ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· What's your over/under on |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·4· ·what you've got left for the day? |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, has this Exhibit 2 been | | ·5· · · · (A discussion was held off the record.) |\n| ·6· · · · produced to the parties in this adversary | | ·6· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the |\n| ·7· · · · proceeding? | | ·7· ·record at 1:22 p.m. |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll have to get back to you on | | ·8· · · · (At 1:22 p.m. a luncheon recess was |\n| ·9· · · · that. | | ·9· ·taken.) |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay.· Thank you. | | 10· · · · (At 2:00 p.m. the deposition resumes.) |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 11 | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had exclusive control over | 12 | |\n| 13· ·the UBS bank account that we have been discussing, | 13 | |\n| 14· ·correct? | 14 | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15 | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok had no | 16 | |\n| 17· ·involvement in any transaction relating to | 17 | |\n| 18· ·HK International's acquisition of the Lady May, | 18 | |\n| | | |\n| 19· ·correct? | 19 | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20 | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, it is 1:22.· Do you guys | 21 | |\n| 22· · · · want to take a lunch break?· Do you want to | 22 | |\n| 23· · · · keep going? | 23 | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·I'm also conscious of the court reporter
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LUFT: ·8· · · · Q.· ·Good afternoon, Mr. Kwok. ·9· · · · A.· ·Good afternoon. 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with the 11· ·proposed Chapter 11 plan that was submitted in your 12· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that under the plan 15· ·proposed and put forth by your counsel at 16· ·Brown Rudnick, there was a reference to there being 17· ·a quote-unquote \"boat contribution,\" correct? 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, under the plan for the boat 20· ·contribution, that provided for the Lady May to be 21· ·contributed to a creditor trust, correct? 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the time the Chapter 11 plan 24· ·was proposed, including the boat contribution, you 25· ·were the beneficial owner and controlled the Page 67 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·Lady May, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the boat contribution under the ·5· ·proposed plan was not actually a contribution to be ·6· ·made by HK USA because your estate already ·7· ·beneficially owned and controlled the Lady May, ·8· ·correct? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that HK USA filed 13· ·an adversary proceeding against you claiming 14· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that that adversary 17· ·proceeding was filed by HK USA so that the Lady May 18· ·would be treated as a contribution by HK USA and 19· ·your daughter Mei Guo for purposes of justifying 20· ·them receiving a release under the plan, correct? 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the plan to file the adversary 25· ·proceeding simultaneous with the boat contribution Page 68 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· ·under the plan was a joint plan arrived at by your ·3· ·counsel as well as counsel for HK USA, correct? ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were represented by a man ·6· ·named Aaron Mitchell for purposes of these ·7· ·proceedings, correct? ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Mitchell was simultaneously serving as 10· ·counsel to HK USA and Mei Guo, correct? 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: 14· · · · Q.· ·For purposes of representing you for your 15· ·Chapter 11 proceeding and HK USA and Mei Guo in 16· ·connection with the Chapter 11 proceeding in the 17· ·adversary action, you believe there to be no 18· ·conflict of interest for Mr. Mitchell because you 19· ·beneficially owned and controlled both your estate 20· ·and HK USA and the Lady May, correct? 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that Kwok 23· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 4 -- let me strike that. 24· · · · · · ·I'm going to ask that ECF299 -- which is 25· · · · the stipulated order compelling Page 69 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok ·2· · · · HK International Funds Investments (USA) ·3· · · · Limited, LLC to transport and deliver that ·4· · · · Certain Yacht, the \"Lady May\" -- be marked as ·5· · · · Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 4, and that it ·6· · · · be shown to the witness. ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 4 was received and ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, through your counsel, you've 11· ·agreed to be bound by this order, correct? 12· · · · A.· ·I don't understand the English. 13· · · · Q.· ·My question is did you direct your counsel 14· ·to agree that you'd be bound by this stipulated 15· ·order which has been marked as Exhibit 4? 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed counsel for HK USA 18· ·to agree to be bound by this agreement, correct? 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, as the beneficial owner and the 21· ·person in control of HK USA, you instructed your 22· ·daughter to agree to be bound by this agreement, 23· ·correct? 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you agreed for William Je to\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 70 | Page 71 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·send \\$37 million to be posted as a bond on April 13, | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·3· ·2022, correct? | ·3· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, Mr. Kwok, you owned and |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· ·controlled Himalaya International Financial Group in |\n| | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between | ·5· ·April 2022, correct? |\n| ·6· ·Mr. Je's -- let me strike that. | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Asked and answered. |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·8· ·Himalaya Capital and HK USA, both entities that you | ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·9· ·own and control, was agreed to on April 19, 2022, | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the terms set out in Exhibit 4, |\n| 10· ·correct? | 10· ·which is the stipulated order compelling |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 11· ·HK International Funds Investments to transport and |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· ·deliver the Lady May, were irrelevant to your |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 13· ·decision to have Himalaya International Financial |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed both HK USA and | 14· ·Group loan \\$37 million to HK USA, correct? |\n| 15· ·Himalaya Capital to enter into the \\$37 million loan | 15· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 16· ·agreement, correct? | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, sorry.· I have been referring to | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you would have had -- sorry. |\n| 19· ·them as \"Himalaya International Capital.\"· What I | 19· ·Let me strike that. |\n| | |\n| 20· ·meant was Himalaya International Financial Group | 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA entered into the |\n| 21· ·Limited. | 21· ·\\$37 million loan with Himalaya International |\n| 22· · · · · · ·Does that correction change any of your | 22· ·Financial Group Limited at your direction regardless |\n| 23· ·answers? | 23· ·of any terms that were to be agreed to regarding the |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. | 24· ·stipulated order compelling the return of the |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 25· ·Lady May, correct? |\n| | |\n| Page 72 | Page 73 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could I have that question | ·3· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? |\n| | |\n| ·4· · · · read back? | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I think I had -- | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner of |\n| ·6· · · · perhaps I had something bad for lunch.· I'm | ·6· ·all assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? |\n| ·7· · · · feeling uncomfortable and I need to use the | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·8· · · · bathroom and it might take a while. | ·8· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, that's fine.· Take | ·9· ·over the assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, |\n| 10· · · · care of whatever needs that you have and I will | 10· ·correct? |\n| 11· · · · be here when you get back. | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over |\n| 13· · · · record at 2:18 p.m. | 13· ·Saraca Media Group Limited, correct? |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial |\n| 16· · · · record at 2:27 p.m. | 16· ·ownership of Saraca Media Group, correct? |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 17· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial -- |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, prior to Himalaya International | 18· ·you're the exclusive beneficial owner of |\n| 19· ·Financial Group Limited, the party -- the entity | 19· ·Saraca Media Group, correct? |\n| 20· ·that was going to loan HK USA the \\$37 million was | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 21· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had \\$37 million |\n| | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·sent over to post as a bond was so that you could |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the exclusive beneficial | 23· ·stay out of jail, correct? |\n| 24· ·owner of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct?
25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·2· · · · return to this exhibit and I'll investigate how |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, because you're motivated by | ·3· · · · to adjust the audio. |\n| ·4· ·staying out of jail, you would have had the | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we play it through |\n| ·5· ·\\$37 million sent over to post as a bond regardless | ·5· · · · once without the sound and we will do what we |\n| ·6· ·of any terms associated with its return or how it | ·6· · · · can do and, Will, you can work on it. |\n| ·7· ·would be handled once the Lady May arrived, correct? | ·7· · · · · · ·Will, could you play Exhibit 5. |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· (Complies.) |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played without audio.) |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I want to show you | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11· · · · what I'll mark as an exhibit, a video from Vice | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize that you are |\n| 12· · · · that I'll ask my colleague to play.· It will be | 12· ·one of the people in that video? |\n| | |\n| 13· · · · marked as Exhibit 5. | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 5 was received and | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, while we could not hear the |\n| 15· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | 15· ·audio, under the subtitles there were repeated |\n| 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Is there a question? | 16· ·references by you saying -- referring to \"my yacht,\" |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm sorry, Mr. Kwok, there was | 17· ·correct? |\n| 18· · · · not.· There was not any audio.· Once I can get | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 19· · · · it to play, I'll ask you a question. | 19· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht you were referring |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Anyone hear sound? | 20· ·to when you told the interviewer from Vice News |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We do not hear any sound. | 21· ·about \"my yacht\" was the Lady May, correct? |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· Sound issue.· Sorry. | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Take your time, Will. | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Exhibit 5 appears to be a true |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· There's no sound. | 24· ·and accurate copy of your interview with Vice News, |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· In that case, we may need to | 25· ·correct? |\n| | |\n| Page 76 | Page 77 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·2022, correct? |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to put up | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·4· · · · the next video.· And we'll mark it as | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to play |\n| ·5· · · · Exhibit 6. | ·5· · · · the next video, which we'll mark as Kwok |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 6 was received and | ·6· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 7. |\n| ·7· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 7 was received and |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the person speaking in | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11· ·the video that is Exhibit 6, correct? | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the person speaking in that |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· ·video is you, correct? |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were aboard the Lady May at | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· ·the time of the video, correct? | 14· · · · Q.· ·And in the video, Mr. Kwok, that's a true |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· ·and accurate copy of an interview you gave, |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was created in | 16· ·Mr. Kwok? |\n| | |\n| 17· ·November of 2022, correct?
18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about |\n| | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was posted on Vetter | 19· ·selling the Lady May, correct? |\n| 20· ·(phonetic) social media network you own and control, | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 21· ·correct? | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about how |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·when you purchased the Lady May in 2015, it was |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the video that has been marked | 23· ·delivered to Miami at that time, correct? |\n| 24· ·as Exhibit 6 is a true and accurate copy of you
25· ·speaking on the deck of the Lady May in November of | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May has been in the |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 78 | Page 79 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·United States since 2015, correct? | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at no time during this period |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· ·did your daughter, Mei Guo, ever step foot on the |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been in the | ·4· ·Lady May, correct? |\n| ·5· ·United States the entire time that the Lady May has | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· ·been in the United States, correct? | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your use of the Lady May between |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Let me strike that. | ·7· ·2015 and June 2017 is no different than your use of |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have been residing in the | ·8· ·the Lady May from June 2017 until the present, |\n| ·9· ·United States since 2015, correct? | ·9· ·correct? |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your daughter Mei Guo did not | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 12· ·come to the United States until 2017, correct? | 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, I need to go to |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 13· · · · the bathroom again.· I'm feeling uncomfortable. |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let's take a break so that you |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· · · · can do so. |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when the Lady May was purchased | 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm really sorry. |\n| 17· ·in 2015, it was not delivered to the location where | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· Please, take care of |\n| 18· ·Mei Guo was living but, in fact, was delivered to | 18· · · · yourself. |\n| 19· ·the United States where you were living, correct? | 19· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · record at 2:49 p.m. |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between the time the boat was | 21· · · · · · ·(Recess.) |\n| 22· ·delivered to Miami in 2015 and June of 2017, you | 22· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the |\n| 23· ·used -- you boarded and sailed on the Lady May | 23· · · · record at 2:54 p.m. |\n| 24· ·frequently, correct? | 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask my colleague to |\n| | |\n| | |\n| Page 80
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·put back up Exhibit 5, which I'm told now we have | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·3· ·audio for. | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see yourself in the top |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· One moment. | ·4· ·left-hand corner of that call -- the video of that |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | ·5· ·call, with the name Miles under you? |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, now that you could hear the | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy |\n| ·8· ·audio of that video, do you agree that that is a | ·8· ·of a call that you conducted, correct? |\n| ·9· ·true and accurate copy of the interview that you | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· ·gave with Vice News? | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on that call, you were telling |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· ·participants that if they had any questions, they |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you heard in that video which is | 12· ·should reach out to William Je, correct? |\n| 13· ·Exhibit 5 multiple references to \"my yacht,\" | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 14· ·correct? | 14· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, in this video of the call |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· ·you conducted, you were telling the participants |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht that you were | 16· ·that if they had questions relating to transferring |\n| 17· ·referencing in Exhibit 5 repeatedly as \"my yacht\" is | 17· ·funds to entities you own and control, they should |\n| 18· ·the Lady May, correct? | 18· ·speak to your agent, William Je, correct? |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask my colleague, Will | 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could you please -- I'll |\n| 21· · · · Farmer, to post the next video, which we'll | 21· · · · ask you to mark as Exhibit 9, the next exhibit, |\n| 22· · · · mark as Exhibit 8 for this deposition. | 22· · · · which, I believe, is a Tweet dated |\n| 23· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 8 was received and | 23· · · · May 10, 2017. |\n| 24· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 9 was received and |\n| 25· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | 25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) |\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 82
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize yourself in | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you see -- and this is a true and |\n| ·4· ·this exhibit? | ·4· ·accurate copy of the Tweets you posted on August 27, |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·5· ·2017, Mr. Kwok? |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·7· ·of the Tweet you posted, correct? | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you refer to the |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· ·Lady May as \"my ship,\" correct? |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And in this Tweet, Mr. Kwok, from May 10, | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | |\n| 10· ·2017, you state that you're posting photos of \"the | 10· · · · Q.· ·And you wrote those words, correct, Mr. |\n| 11· ·yacht I gave to my daughter and named after her,\" | 11· ·Kwok? |\n| 12· ·correct? | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also write |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also wrote | 14· ·\"This was two years ago, when I was in Miami, when I |\n| 15· ·that \"I bought the Lady May for EUR 41 million,\" | 15· ·had just signed the most important investment |\n| 16· ·correct? | 16· ·contract of my life,\" exclamation point. |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· · · · · · ·Do you see that? |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see below it, if we could | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 19· ·scroll down, there's another Tweet from August 27, | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, who did you sign the most |\n| 20· ·2017. | 20· ·important investment contract of your life with? |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Do you see that Mr. Kwok? | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Ms. Wang, what is the question? | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you signed that investment |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Whether you see the Tweet from | 23· ·contract on your own behalf, not acting as anyone |\n| 24· ·August 27, 2017 below the one where that is a | 24· ·else's agent, correct? |\n| 25· ·picture of you? | 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| | |\n| Page 84 | Page 85 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what did you do with the assets | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes, ma'am. |\n| ·3· ·you received from signing that investment contract? | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control an entity | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, a man named Elliot Dordick is |\n| ·6· ·called \"HCHK Property Management Inc.,\" correct? | ·6· ·affiliated with HCHK Technologies, Inc., and HCHK |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· ·Property Management, Inc., correct? |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, and for the record, when | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· ·referencing the video exhibits I've shown you today, | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions and statements made |\n| 10· ·your answers would not change if I was describing | 10· ·and taken by Mr. Dordick in relation to the |\n| 11· ·the videos as true and correct recordings as opposed | 11· ·Chapter 11 trustee in this case, (indiscernible), |\n| 12· ·to true and correct copies, correct? | 12· ·have been done at your direction and under your |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·In this one, what's the question? | 13· ·control? |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·When referencing the video exhibits we've | 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· Again, |\n| 15· ·looked at today, meaning Exhibits 5, 6, 7, and 8, I | 15· · · · we seem to be getting pretty far outside the |\n| 16· ·asked you if they were true and correct copies. | 16· · · · scope of anything in this adversary proceeding. |\n| 17· · · · · · ·And what I want to know is, your answers | 17· · · · · · ·Go ahead an answer this one, but absent an |\n| 18· ·would not change if I also asked you the same | 18· · · · offer of proof, I'm going to start instructing |\n| 19· ·question as to whether they're true and accurate | 19· · · · the witness not to answer to this line. |\n| 20· ·recordings of those videos, correct? | 20· · · · · · ·Go ahead. |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control a property | 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23· ·called \"HCHK Technologies Inc.,\" correct? | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in addition to the Lady May, you |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· HCHK Technologies, Inc., | 24· ·also own and control a second boat named the |\n| 25· · · · is that the company's name? | 25· ·Lady May II, correct? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 86 | Page 87 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·Limited, Saraca Media Group, Greenwich Land LLC, |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·The Lady May II, like the Lady May, is | ·3· ·Rule of Law Society, and the Sherry-Netherland |\n| ·4· ·also an asset of your estate, correct? | ·4· ·apartment were all taken at your direction, correct? |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Anthony D'Battista is also an |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·7· ·employee of yours, correct? |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, where is the Lady May II | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·9· ·currently located? | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. D'Battista acts as your agent in |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 10· ·connection with his work related to all the G |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Daniel Podhaskie served as your | 11· ·entities in Saraca Media, correct? |\n| 12· ·counsel previously, correct? | 12· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Podhaskie was your employee, correct? | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. D'Battista acts as your |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· ·agent and under your direction in connection with |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Podhaskie has acted as your | 16· ·all of his activities related to the G entities, by |\n| 17· ·agent, correct? | 17· ·which I mean, G Fashion G Music G Club, Getter, as |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· ·well as Saraca Media, correct? |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions Mr. Podhaskie took | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 20· ·as counsel to Golden Spring were, in fact, actions | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know who Fiona Yu is, |\n| 21· ·taken at your direction and for your benefit, | 21· ·correct? |\n| 22· ·correct? | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 23· · · · Q.· ·You directed Fiona Yu to speak as your |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Daniel | 24· ·agent in connection with seeking legal advice |\n| 25· ·Podhaskie relating to Golden Spring, Leading Shine | 25· ·related to hiding the Lady May from your creditors |\n| Page 88 | Page 89 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·when she discussed this with your counsel, Hodgson | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·3· ·Russ, correct? | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware of a man named Han |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· ·Chunguang? |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, similarly, Ms. Yu took all | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·6· ·actions related to ACA Capital Group Limited at your | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Eastern Profit Limited is an |\n| ·7· ·direction, correct? | ·7· ·entity in the name of your daughter Mei Guo, |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· ·correct? |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you installed Fiona Yu as | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· ·the company secretary of ACA Capital Group Limited, | 10· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by |\n| 11· ·an entity you own and control, correct? | 11· ·Mr. Chunguang as relate to Eastern Profit are taken |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· ·at your direction, correct? |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Karen Maistrello is another | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 14· ·person who acts as your agent in connection with | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 15· ·your business transactions, correct? | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Chunguang acts as your agent |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And for the record, Maistrello | 17· ·in connection with all endeavors related to any |\n| 18· · · · is spelled M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O. | 18· ·entities related to you, correct? |\n| 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Do I need to answer? | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· We're, |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm just providing that | 20· · · · once again, getting pretty far afield of the |\n| 21· · · · information to the Court Reporter, Mr. Kwok. | 21· · · · relatively narrow allegations back and forth in |\n| 22· · · · There's nothing for you to do. | 22· · · · the HK adversary proceeding. |\n| | 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree.· This is another |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Maistrello was an employee | 24· · · · entity in the name of Ms. Guo. |\n| 25· ·of yours, correct? | 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Another entity? |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n\n\n| Page 90 | Page 91 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Right.· Consistent with a | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| ·3· · · · pattern and practice of activities. | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer the question. | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | |\n| ·5· · · · I guess, getting pretty far afield, I have not | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you, as a beneficial owner |\n| ·6· · · · yet directed the witness not to answer a | ·6· ·and -- control Whitecroft Shores Limited, which is a |\n| ·7· · · · question.· Based on relevance, I'm telling you | ·7· ·BVI corporation in the name of your daughter? |\n| ·8· · · · we're getting pretty close on this one. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· The audio got muffled on that |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Go ahead. | ·9· · · · one. |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure.· I'm happy to ask it |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 11· · · · again. |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·And I apologize to Mr. Han.· I'm told Han | 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13· ·is his last name. | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you beneficially owned and |\n| 14· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you understood who I was | 14· ·controlled Whitecroft Shore Limited, a BVI |\n| | |\n| 15· ·referring to when I said Han Chunguang, that Han is | 15· ·corporation that is listed in the name of your |\n| 16· ·the last name? | 16· ·daughter Mei Guo, correct? |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·And with that clarification, Mr. Kwok, | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 19· ·would that change any of the answers you've | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20· ·previously given with regard to Mr. Han Chunguang? | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you placed your asset Bombardier |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· ·Global XRS with the -- a plane, with the serial |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Kwok, the Lady May was not the only | 22· ·number 9189, into Whitecroft Shore Limited, correct? |\n| 23· ·one of -- is not the only vehicle you owned and | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 24· ·controlled that you put in the name of your | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, despite this plane being listed |\n| 25· ·daughter, correct? | 25· ·under the name of Whitecroft Shore Limited at all |\n| | |\n| | |\n| Page 92 | Page 93 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· ·times, you were the beneficial owner and controlled | ·2· · · · on with our lives today, because this is |\n| ·3· ·that plane, correct? | ·3· · · · getting extremely far outside the scope. |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· I hear your point. I |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're similarly the beneficial | ·5· · · · don't agree with you.· That said, I think you |\n| ·6· ·owner and control an airbus, ACJ319, correct? | ·6· · · · understand the point I'm trying to make and why |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· · · · I think that's pertinent. |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all funds used to purchase the | ·8· · · · · · ·I will try to move through.· I don't think |\n| ·9· ·Bombardier Global XRS and airbus ACJ319 belong to | ·9· · · · there's very much more, and I'll try to move |\n| 10· ·you, correct? | 10· · · · through it quickly. |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, I do think we need to | 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. |\n| | |\n| 13· · · · start moving on.· I get your point and | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· All right. |\n| 14· · · · understand your point.· You're trying to prove | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just a couple more entities and |\n| 15· · · · some sort of course of conduct.· I'm not saying | 15· · · · a couple more people, and I think we'll be |\n| 16· · · · I agree with it, but I understand the concept | 16· · · · okay. |\n| 17· · · · that you're doing.· But I think delving into | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18· · · · multiple layers that are of multiple entities | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with a person |\n| 19· · · · in questions that are nearly identical is | 19· ·named Zhang Wei, correct? |\n| 20· · · · becoming extremely redundant, going outside the | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 21· · · · rule -- of the scope of Rule 26, and getting to | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions taken by Zhang Wei |\n| 22· · · · the point of harassment-like behavior. | 22· ·related to any assets or entities related to you are |\n| 23· · · · · · ·And I'm not saying that to be | 23· ·taken at your direction and under your control, |\n| 24· · · · disrespectful; I'm just saying that so we can | 24· ·correct? |\n| 25· · · · all move on with our lives after today or move | 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 94
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·2· ·Genever Holdings Corporation, correct? |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Zhang Wei was never the owner of | | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner and |\n| ·5· ·Genever Holdings LLC, correct? | | ·5· ·control Greenwich Land LLC, correct? |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) | | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object and |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·7· · · · direct the witness not to answer.· That is -- |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Zhang Wei was never the owner of Genever, | | ·8· · · · that entity doesn't relate to any party in this |\n| ·9· ·G-E-N-E-V-E-R, Holdings LLC, correct? | | ·9· · · · adversary proceeding at all. |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question.· It | | 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· So, Aaron, let me lay more of a |\n| 11· · · · is related to another ongoing proceeding to | | 11· · · · foundation and then, hopefully, you'll |\n| 12· · · · which Ms. Guo and HKI are already obviously | | 12· · · · understand, okay? |\n| 13· · · · parties.· It's outside the scope of this | | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay. |\n| 14· · · · adversary proceeding. | | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner and Yvette Wang both |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·You can answer, Mr. Kwok. | | 16· ·took actions related to the Lady May in connection |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 17· ·with their roles on your behalf with Golden Spring, |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, we talked about Bravo Luck | | 18· ·correct? |\n| 19· ·Limited earlier. | | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei never was the owner of | | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 21· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | | 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner and Ms. Wang also |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Last question with regard to this and I'll | | 23· ·hold, at the same time, positions with Greenwich |\n| 24· ·move on. | | 24· ·Land LLC, correct? |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei was never the owner of | | 25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I need to go to the |\n| | | |\n| Page 96 | | Page 97 |\n| | | |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| ·2· · · · bathroom again.· My belly is making some noises | | ·2· · · · and Agreement.\"· That's at tab 211. |\n| ·3· · · · again. | | ·3· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 10 was received and |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I just need | | ·4· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) |\n| ·5· · · · you to answer this question because we can't | | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you go to the last |\n| ·6· · · · take a break while a question is pending, but | | ·6· · · · page. |\n| ·7· · · · then I'll let you take a break. | | ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·I've just answered this, the Fifth. | | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Let's take a break so | | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 10· · · · you can go to the bathroom. | | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you see your signature on |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | | 11· ·this page -- on the last page? |\n| 12· · · · record at 3:37 p.m. | | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. |\n| 13· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this trust agreement, which |\n| 14· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | | 14· ·is -- purported trust agreement, which has been |\n| 15· · · · record at 3:43 p.m. | | 15· ·marked as Exhibit 10, did not exist as of March 6, |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 16· ·2015, when closing occurred for the purchase of the |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask you again, you | | 17· ·Sherry-Netherland apartment, correct? |\n| 18· ·are the beneficial owner and control Greenwich Land | | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· This |\n| 19· ·LLC, correct? | | 19· · · · document, again, is the subject of a dispute. |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 20· · · · It's directly at issue in another adversary |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask that the | | 21· · · · proceeding to which the parties are not here. |\n| 22· ·document -- | | 22· · · · I don't see any significance or any relevance |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you could mark as Kwok | | 23· · · · whatsoever to this document to HK USA or |\n| 24· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 10 -- Will, if you could
25· · · · put up a document titled \"Declaration of Trust | | 24· · · · Ms. Guo.
25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, the entity that entered |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| | Page 98 | | Page 99 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| | ·2· · · · into Bravo Luck Limited is the same entity that | | ·2· ·this hearing and were asked the identical questions |\n| | ·3· · · · purportedly funded the purchase of the Lady May | | ·3· ·that you were asked today, would you give the same |\n| | ·4· · · · and the Sherry-Netherland apartment.· I think | | ·4· ·answers to them? |\n| | ·5· · · · it's directly relevant.· I'm happy not to spend | | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Am I correct that the |\n| | ·6· · · · a lot of time on it, but I would like an answer | | ·6· · · · question assumes the absence of an objection or |\n| | ·7· · · · to my question. | | ·7· · · · an objection that was not sustained? |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·8· · · · · · ·Is that a fair qualification on the |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, why don't we take a | | ·9· · · · question? |\n| | 10· · · · five-minute break.· I may be done.· So let me | | 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· My question assumes no waiver |\n| | 11· · · · just check my notes.· Is that okay? | | 11· · · · of your right to object to any questions that |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | | 12· · · · you objected to today. |\n| | 13· · · · record at 3:47 p.m. | | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | | 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The witness said \"yes\" |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | | 15· · · · just now.· That didn't get interpreted. |\n| | 16· · · · record at 3:54 p.m. | | 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, your counsel and I | | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 18· · · · have discussed the idea that if the Court is | | 18· · · · Q.· ·Just so we're clear Mr. Kwok, your answer |\n| | 19· · · · amenable, that in lieu of you giving live | | 19· ·to my question is \"yes\"? |\n| | 20· · · · testimony at the PJR hearing, that we can use | | 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| | 21· · · · this deposition transcript.· I hope the Court | | 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I have no further |\n| | 22· · · · will agree to that. | | 22· · · · questions for you at this time.· I thank you |\n| | 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 23· · · · very much for the time you've given us today. |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·But let me just ask, if for whatever | | 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you.· I have no |\n| | 25· ·reason you were to have to give live testimony at | | 25· · · · questions for the witness. |\n| | Page 100 | | Page 101 |\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | ·1 | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Standing order. |\n| | ·2· · · · THE WITNESS:· I wanted to take this | | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We'll take a copy but no |\n| | ·3· ·opportunity to also thank you -- say thank you | | ·4· · · · rough. |\n| | ·4· ·to everybody here today.· I'm sorry that | | ·5· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· Same thing. |\n| | ·5· ·because I was feeling uncomfortable, so I | | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We will also ask for a copy |\n| | ·6· ·wasted quite a bit of everybody's time. | | ·7· · · · of the video as well. |\n| | ·7· · · · But I want to say thank you for all the | ·8 | |\n| | ·8· ·professional questions, and I also want to | | ·9· · · · · · ·(Time noted:· 3:59 p.m.) |\n| | ·9· ·extend my thanks to you, the Interpreters, | 10 | |\n| | 10· ·including Ms. Wang and Luyi, as well as the | 11 | |\n| | 11· ·Court Reporter and all of the counsels present | | 12· · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________ |\n| | 12· ·today as well as our videographer. | | |\n| | 13· · · · And I also want to say hello, please, to | | 13· · · · · · · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK |\n| | 14· ·pass on my greetings to the trust and Mr. Luc. | 14 | |\n| | 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will definitely pass those | | 15· ·Subscribed and sworn to |\n| | 16· ·greetings along, Mr. Kwok, and I will echo your | | 16· ·before me this· · ·day |\n| | 17· ·thanks to the Court Reporter, the videographer | | 17· ·of· · · · · · 2023. |\n| | 18· ·and the translator, who all did a tremendous | | 18· ·_______________________ |\n| | 19· ·job today.· Thank you. | 19 | |\n| | | 20 | |\n| | 20· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· This marks the end of | | |\n| | 21· ·the deposition.· We're going off the record at | 21 | |\n| | 22· ·3:59 p.m. | 22 | |\n| | 23· · · · (Deposition continues - Next page) | 23 | |\n| 24 | | 24 | |\n| 25 | | 25 | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 102 | | | | Page 103 |\n|----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|---------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| ·1 | | ·1 | | | |\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE | | | ·2· · · · · · · · · · ·C O N T E N T S | |\n| ·3 | | | | ·3· ·MR. LUFT· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·7 | |\n| | ·4· ·STATE OF CONNECTICUT ) | | | ·4· · · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S | |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · · · :· ·ss | | | ·5· · · · · · ·(Retained by the court reporter) | |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·I, Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court | | | ·6· ·DEPOSITION· · · · · EXHIBIT· · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE
·7· ·Exhibit 1· ·Declaration of Trust· · · · · · · · · 19 | |\n| | ·7· ·Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary Public within | | | ·8· ·Exhibit 2· ·UBS Account Statement, Bravo Luck· · ·62 | |\n| | ·8· ·and for the States of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, | | | · · · · · · · · ·Ltd., Bates UBS00137 | |\n| | ·9· ·do hereby certify: | ·9 | | | |\n| | 10· · · · · · ·That HO WAN KWOK, the witness whose deposition is | | | · · ·Exhibit 3· ·Wire Transfer, 15 March 2015, Bates· ·63 | |\n| | 11· ·hereinbefore set forth, was duly sworn by me and that such | | 10· · · · · · · ·UBS02746 | | |\n| | 12· ·deposition is a true record of the testimony given by such | | | 11· ·Exhibit 4· ·Stipulated Order· · · · · · · · · · · 69 | |\n| | 13· ·witness. | | | 12· ·Exhibit 5· ·Video from Vice· · · · · · · · · · · ·74 | |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not related to any of | | | 13· ·Exhibit 6· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·76 | |\n| | 15· ·the parties to this action by blood or marriage and that I | | | 14· ·Exhibit 7· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·77 | |\n| | 16· ·am in no way interested in the outcome of this matter. | | | 15· ·Exhibit 8· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·80 | |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand | | | 16· ·Exhibit 9· ·Tweet, dated May 10, 2017· · · · · · ·82 | |\n| | 18· ·this 2nd day of March, 2023. | | | 17· ·Exhibit 10· Declaration of Trust and Agreement· · 97 | |\n| 19 | | 18 | | | |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·---------------------------------------- | 19 | | | |\n| | · · · · · · · ·ANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR | 20 | | | |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·LICENSE NO. XI00218400 | 21 | | | |\n| 22
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· · · · · · · · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK | | | | |\n| 25 | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580","body_zh":"证物 47\nYVer1f\n\n1 第 1 页\n\n2 美国破产法院\n3 康涅狄格地区\n4 布里奇波特分院\n5 ---------------------------------------X\n6 关于：\n 第 11 章\n7 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）， 案号：\n 22-50073 (JAM)\n8 债务人。\n9 ---------------------------------------X\n\n11 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）的远程录像证言\n12 2023 年 3 月 2 日，星期四\n\n16 记录员：\n17 Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M.·肖-克罗克特），CCR、CRR、RMR、CSR\n18 工作编号 222883\n\n22\n\n第 2 页 第 3 页\n\n1 H. Kwok\n2 远程出庭：\n3 2023 年 3 月 2 日 PAUL HASTINGS LLP（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）\n 受托人代理律师\n4 上午 10:28 200 Park Avenue\n5 New York, New York 10166\n6 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）的远程录像证言， 代理律师：AVRAM LUFT（阿夫拉姆·卢夫特），ESQ.\n7 在 Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M.·肖-克罗克特）、经认证的法庭 DOUGLASS BARRON（道格拉斯·巴伦），ESQ.\n8 记录员、经认证的实时记录员、注册 WILL FARMER（威尔·法默），ESQ.\n9 高级记录员以及纽约州、新泽西州和康涅狄格州的公证人面前进行。 CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC（基耶萨·沙希尼安及贾恩托马西律师事务所）\n10 HK INTERNATIONAL（HK 国际公司）及\n MEI GUO（郭美）代理律师\n11 One Boland Drive\n12 West Orange, New Jersey 07052\n13 代理律师：PATRICIA BERGAMASCO（帕特里夏·贝尔加马斯科），ESQ.\n14 ZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C.（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所）\n15 HK INTERNATIONAL（HK 国际公司）及\n16 MEI GUO（郭美）代理律师\n17 10 Middle Street\n18 Bridgeport, Connecticut 06604\n19 代理律师：AARON ROMNEY（艾伦·罗姆尼），ESQ.\n20 其他在场人员：Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎），录像师\n21 Luyi Song（宋露易），Paul Hastings（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）法律书记员\n22 Jingyi Wang（王静怡），普通话口译员\n Una Wilkinson（尤娜·威尔金森），普通话核对口译员\n23 **\n24\n25\n\n第 4 页 第 5 页\n\n1 H. Kwok H. Kwok\n2 录像师：早上好。我的名字是 Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎）。 录像师：谢谢。\n3 我是与 TSG Reporting（TSG 记录公司）合作的法律录像师。 这是 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）录像证言第 1 盘的开始，\n4 我不会与证人处于同一房间。我将 在美国破产法院康涅狄格地区\n5 远程记录该证言。记录员 布里奇波特分院审理的关于 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）的事项中，\n6 Angie Shaw-Crockett（安吉·肖-克罗克特）也不会与证人处于同一房间， 案号 22-50073 (JAM)。\n7 并将远程为证人宣誓。 各方已同意于\n8 各方是否约定，录像记录和远程宣誓有效， 2023 年 3 月 2 日上午约 10:28 远程出庭。\n9 并且其在法庭上可被采纳，犹如其依照 我的名字是 Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎），来自\n10 《联邦民事诉讼规则》第 30 条以及案件待决州的规则进行一样？ TSG Reporting（TSG 记录公司），我是法律录像\n11 专员。法庭记录员是\n12 Angie Shaw-Crockett（安吉·肖-克罗克特），与\n13 TSG Reporting（TSG 记录公司）合作。\n14 请各位律师介绍\n15 LUFT 律师：我是代表第 11 章受托人的 Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特），我们同意。 你们自己。\n16\n17 ROMNEY 律师：是的，我是 Aaron Romney（艾伦·罗姆尼）， LUFT 律师：你好。我是来自\n18 来自 Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所），代表债务人、 Paul Hastings（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）的 Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特）。我代表关于 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）事项中的第 11 章\n19 证人。我们同意。 受托人。与我一同出席的\n20 BERGAMASCO 律师：我是代表 Mei Guo（郭美）和 HK International（HK 国际公司）的 Patricia Bergamasco（帕特里夏·贝尔加马斯科）。 同事有 Douglass Barron（道格拉斯·巴伦）、Will Farmer（威尔·法默），\n21 以及法律书记员 Luyi Song（宋露易）。\n22 录像师：谢谢。 ROMNEY 律师：Aaron Romney（艾伦·罗姆尼），\n23 这是—— Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所）。我代表债务人\n24 LUFT 律师：您同意吗？ Kwok 先生在主破产案件中。此外，\n25 BERGAMASCO 律师：是的。抱歉。 我还代表其作为本对抗程序中的证人\n\nYVer1f\n\n第 6 页 第 7 页\n\n1 H. Kwok H. Kwok\n2 今日出庭。我还 LUFT 律师：很好。\n3 代表 Mei Guo（郭美）和 询问\n4 HKI USA（HKI 美国公司）在本对抗程序中出庭。 由 LUFT 律师进行：\n5 BERGAMASCO 律师：我是来自 Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所）的 Patricia 问：早上好，Kwok 先生。您好吗？\n6 Bergamasco（帕特里夏·贝尔加马斯科），代表 答：我很好，律师。您今天早上好吗？\n7 Mei Guo（郭美）和 HK International USA（HK 国际美国公司）在\n8 本对抗程序中出庭。 问：我很好。谢谢您的关心。\n9 录像师：谢谢。 在开始前，我将宣读律师就\n10 请法庭记录员为口译员和证人宣誓。 今日这一远程证言所达成的条款。有多项条款，\n11 因此我想我会在每一项之后暂停，\n12 J I N G Y I W A N G（王静怡）， 以便口译员有机会\n13 在纽约州境内并为该州行事的公证人首先依法宣誓后， 仅翻译该项。我不寻求答复，\n14 我只是陈述这些条款。但我\n15 在宣誓后将问题 认为这样会更容易。\n16 从英语译为普通话，并将回答 受托人已同意今日远程进行债务人的\n17 在宣誓后从普通话译为英语，具体如下： 证言，依据债务人律师代表其达成的以下\n18 协议：第一，HK USA（HK 美国公司）和 Mei Guo（郭美）不再\n19 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）被传唤作为证人，在首先依法宣誓（经由口译员）后，接受询问并 拟传唤债务人代表其作证，并已将其从\n20 作证如下： 拟在听证会上出庭的证人名单中删除。\n21 远程进行本证言\n22 证人：谢谢。 基于如下理解：除有关\n23 口译员：口译员作一说明。口译员已收到\n24 链接，实时记录现已正常运行。\n25\n\n第 8 页 第 9 页\n\n1 H. Kwok H. Kwok\n2 Kwok 先生的姓名、住址以及 记录于上午 10:37 停止。\n3 确认其家庭成员身份的问题外，债务人拟对在本证言中提出的任何问题 （休庭。）\n4 援引其《第五修正案》权利。 录像师：我们于\n5 上午 10:45 恢复记录。\n6 如债务人试图援引——不——抱歉。请删除该表述。 LUFT 律师：我将继续说明\n7 约定。抱歉出现技术问题。\n8 如债务人试图不援引其 进行证言时，债务人必须实际处于\n9 《第五修正案》权利，而是回答 法院管辖范围内，即距法院\n10 问题，这即构成对远程进行其证言协议的违反，其证言将立即 100 英里以内。除债务人的\n11 改为当面进行。双方均 口译员及其来自\n12 明确知悉，债务人以援引其《第五修正案》权利决定不回答问题， Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所）的律师外，任何人不得在债务人接受证言时\n13 并非债务人目前可以考虑的 与债务人同处一室。债务人不得\n14 选项。 在证言记录期间与其来自\n15 Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所）的律师以外的任何人沟通。\n16 此次远程证言是出于善意提供的，因系债务人提出请求， 当证言记录期间，\n17 而非因有此需要，亦非受托人承认 不得与任何人沟通。\n18 此处或今后远程进行债务人证言适当。任何试图 债务人的口译员不得\n19 实质性回答问题而不援引其《第五修正案》权利的行为， 在记录期间与债务人沟通。\n20 均构成对本协议的违反。 唯一的口译员是官方口译员\n21 Jingyi Wang（王静怡）女士。债务人的口译员\n22 在场是为了协助债务人与\n23 抱歉。我们需要停止记录。我的电脑刚刚崩溃。抱歉。 Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所）在休庭期间沟通，并就\n24 录像师：我们停止记录。 翻译事宜向\n25 Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒及蔡斯勒律师事务所）提供建议，在证言进行期间。债务人的\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n第10页 · H. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n口译员不得在记录中发言。\n\n在证言记录期间，债务人不得接触任何能够发送或接收信息的设备。债务人在证言记录期间不得发送或阅读信息。\n\n各位律师，我们是否仍就这些约定条款达成一致？\n\nROMNEY 先生（罗姆尼）：是的，正确。唯一需要说明的是，如我需要在记录中说些什么，而该内容需要债务人通过 Wilkinson 女士（威尔金森女士）理解——如我需要与债务人沟通，将通过 Wilkinson 女士进行。\n\nLUFT 先生（卢夫特）：Romney 先生，在记录期间，我要求您使用 Wang 女士（王女士）与债务人交谈。若您需要就特权问题与其交谈，请暂停记录；在该情况下，您可以按任何必要方式使用 Wilkinson 女士与其交谈。\n\nROMNEY 先生：当然。我认为通常是正确的。在通常情况下，如我会在记录中向客户说些什么，而不暂停以确定是否需要暂停，这可能需要通过 Wilkinson 女士进行，但我预计不会有任何问题。\n\n第11页 · H. Kwok\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\nBergamasco 女士（贝尔加马斯科女士），您仍同意这些条款吗？\n\nBERGAMASCO 女士：您能重复一下吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：只是确认贵律师事务所仍同意我刚才陈述的、已经达成一致的条款。\n\nBERGAMASCO 女士：是。\n\nLUFT 先生：很好。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您一直非常有耐心。对此谢谢您。\n\nKwok 先生，请您为记录陈述您的姓名和住所，好吗？\n\n答：我的中文姓名是 Kwok Ho Wan（郭文贵）。我的地址在纽约第五大道。是 Sherry-Netherlands（雪莉-荷兰人公寓），但我记不起确切门牌号。不是 768 就是 769。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您现在就在该地址吗？\n\n第12页 · H. Kwok\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。Kwok 先生，我知道您此前接受过证言录取，但我想说明一些基本规则，以确保我们理解一致；可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是否明白您今天是在宣誓后作证？\n\n答：是，我明白。\n\n问：这意味着，您作出的任何证言都必须是真实的。\n\n您明白吗？\n\n答：是，我明白。\n\n问：是否有任何原因导致您今天不能作出真实证言？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，我们能否约定，如果我的任何问题您听不清楚，您将告知我并要求我澄清？\n\n答：可以。非常感谢。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，如果您不告诉我某件事情不清楚，我们能否约定我可以假定您理解我的问题？\n\n第13页 · H. Kwok\n\n答：可以。没问题。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\n答：我的律师和口译员 Una（尤娜）。\n\n问：您的律师是 Romney 先生吗？\n\n答：我只知道他叫 Aaron。我不确定他的另一个名字。\n\nLUFT 先生：Romney 先生，那是您，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：是我，Avi。Aaron Romney（阿伦·罗姆尼）。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：您的口译员是 Una Wilkinson（尤娜·威尔金森），对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您女儿叫什么名字？\n\n答：Kwok Mei（郭美）。\n\n问：您儿子叫什么名字？\n\n答：Kwok Qiang（郭强）。\n\n问：他有时也使用 Mileson Kwok（郭强）这个名字吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide（TSG记录服务—全球）· 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n第15页 · H. Kwok\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您妻子叫什么名字？\n\n答：Yu Chang Chu（朱玉嫦）。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您今天为证言录取做过任何准备吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否与律师会面，为今天的证言录取做准备？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否审阅过任何文件，为今天的证言录取做准备？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否审阅过任何材料，以唤起您对今天证言录取的记忆？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，此时我们将转入您证言录取的实体部分，据我理解，您打算对该部分援引第五修正案权利。\n\n我要求您仅在我问完问题、并让译员完整翻译之后，再作出任何该等主张，可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 Hong Kong International Funds Investments Limited（香港国际基金投资有限公司）于 February 23, 2015 购买 Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）以来，在任何时候，您一直是 Lady May 的受益所有人；我也将该公司称为“HK International”，对吗？\n\n答：我援引第五修正案。\n\n问：自 HK International 于 February 23, 2015 购买 Lady May 以来，在任何时候，您，即债务人，一直是 Lady May 的衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：我主张第五修正案权利。\n\n问：自 HK International 于 February 23, 2015 购买 Lady May 以来，在任何时候，您一直控制 Lady May 吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：自 Hong Kong International 于 February 23, 2015 购买 Lady May 以来，在任何时候，您一直是 Lady May 的法定所有人吗？\n\n证人：Wang 女士，问题是什么？问题是问我是不是吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：是。\n\n第16页 · H. Kwok\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：我的陈述正确吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您无需取得 Mei Guo（郭美）的许可即可登上 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您无需征得 Mei Guo 的许可即可使用 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您无需征得 Mei Guo 的许可，即可指示 Lady May 的船员将 Lady May 从一处航行至另一处，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 Hong Kong International Funds Investment Limited 成立以来，在任何时候，您一直是其受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK International 成立以来，在任何时候，您一直是其衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK International 成立以来，在任何时候，\n\n第17页 · H. Kwok\n\n您一直控制 HK International，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK International 成立以来，在任何时候，您一直是其法定所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK International 成立以来，在任何时候，其一直是——其一直是您的另一个自我，对吗？\n\n口译员：律师，请您解释一下“另一个自我”？\n\nLUFT 先生：只需翻译该术语。这是一个法律术语。\n\n口译员：我知道这个法律术语。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\n证人：第五修正案。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您熟悉一家名为“HK International Funds Investment USA Limited（香港国际基金投资美国有限公司）”的实体，我也可能将其称为“HK USA”，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，在任何时候，您一直是其\n\n第19页 · H. Kwok\n\n受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，在任何时候，您一直是其衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，在任何时候，您一直控制该实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，在任何时候，您一直是其法定所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，自 HK USA 成立以来，在任何时候，其一直是您的另一个自我，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您认识一名叫 Natasha Qu（娜塔莎·曲）的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，将 HK International 转让给 Natasha Qu，是为了向您的债权人隐匿您的资产，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您指示 Natasha Qu 于 October 10, 2014 前后签署一份信托声明，该声明规定了您在 Hong Kong International 中的股份，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生：此时，我要求法庭记录员将一份于 October 10, 2014 作出的信托声明副本，以及我们持有的其经认证译文，标记为 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 1。\n\n我将请我的同事 Farmer 先生（法默先生）在可能的情况下将其展示出来。\n\n（Kwok PJR Exhibit 1 于本日收到并标记以供识别。）\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，请花一点时间审阅 Exhibit 1。\n\nROMNEY 先生：Avi，可能是屏幕的格式问题。我看不到上面的 Bates 编号。\n\n这些是否是在 PJR 程序中出示的？\n\nLUFT 先生：没有 Bates 编号。我们\n\n第20页 · H. Kwok\n\n已提出向您出示该文件。\n\nROMNEY 先生：抱歉。我不确定您指的是什么。\n\n证人：我已经读完了。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，这是您于 October 10, 2014 与 Natasha Kwok [原文如此]——Natasha Qu——就您在 Hong Kong International 中的股份订立的信托声明的真实准确副本吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：对该问题的形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n第21页 · H. Kwok\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lady May 是代表您购买的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Lady May 是代表您购买的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，购买 Lady May 是为了让您控制并受益所有该游艇，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，用于购买 Lady May 的全部资金，都是由您拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n卢夫特先生（Mr. Luft）提问：\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生（郭文贵），日期为 October 10, 2014 的证物1《信托声明》的签署副本，已交给您的律师 Stevenson, Wong & Co.（史蒂文森、黄律师事务所）代您保管，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，根据《信托声明》的条款，即使您已将 Hong Kong International（香港国际）转让给 Natasha Qu（娜塔莎·瞿），您仍保留对 Hong Kong International 及其资产（包括 Lady May（“五月夫人”号））的控制权和受益所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您始终对 Bravo Luck（好运）资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，用于购买 Lady May 的资金没有一分钱属于您的儿子 Mileson Kwok（迈尔森·郭），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您让 Hong Kong International 为您个人使用而购买 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示 Hong Kong International 使用您自己的资产购买 Lady May，意图掩盖您对 Lady May 的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：为明确起见，当我提及 Bravo Luck 时，您理解我指的是 Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示 Hong Kong International 使用您拥有的资金购买 Lady May，以使 Lady May 免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您于 February 23, 2015 使用您独占控制的资金，通过名为 Bravo Luck 的实体为购买 Lady May 提供资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Bravo Luck 是一个您始终拥有独占控制权的实体，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示瞿女士于 June 27, 2017 以 one Hong Kong dollar 的对价，将其对 Hong Kong International 所称拥有的所有权转让给 Mei Guo（郭梅），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示于 June 27, 2017 以 one Hong Kong dollar 的对价，将瞿女士对 HK International（HK国际）所称拥有的所有权转让给郭梅，意图掩盖您对 Lady May 的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示于 June 27, 2017 以 one Hong Kong dollar 的对价，将瞿女士对 HK International 所称拥有的所有权转让给郭梅，试图使 Lady May 免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，June 27, 2017 将瞿女士对 HK International 所称拥有的所有权转让给郭梅，并未改变这样一个事实：您仍然控制并拥有 HK International 的受益所有权，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生（Mr. Romney）：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：由于有人提出异议，我将该问题拆开。\n\n于 June 27, 2017 将瞿女士对 HK International 所称拥有的所有权转让给郭梅，并未改变这样一个事实：在该转让之后，您仍然控制 HK International，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，于 June 27, 2017 将瞿女士对 HK International 所称拥有的所有权转让给郭梅，并未改变这样一个事实：在该转让之后，您仍然是 Hong Kong International 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，于 June 27, 2017 将瞿女士对 HK International 所称拥有的所有权转让给郭梅，并未改变这样一个事实：无论在转让之前还是之后，您仍然控制 Lady May，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，于 June 27, 2017 将瞿女士对 HK International 所称拥有的所有权转让给郭梅，并未改变这样一个事实：无论在转让之前还是之后，您仍然是 Lady May 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您本人或通过您的代理人指示于 September 11, 2018 设立 HK International Funds Investments USA Limited（HK国际基金投资美国有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lady May 被转让给 HK USA（HK美国），意图掩盖您对 Lady May 的所有权，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lady May 是依照您的指示被转让给 HK USA，意图使其免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您曾使用 Golden Spring（黄金泉）和 Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）这两个实体支付 Lady May 的费用，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是 Golden Spring 的所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring 拥有的全部资产均属于您，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您控制 Golden Springs Limited（黄金泉有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您控制 Golden Spring 的全部资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring New York Limited（黄金泉纽约有限公司）支付的、与 Lady May 有关的全部费用——我一直将该实体称为“Golden Spring”——均使用您控制的资金支付，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring 支付的、与 Lady May 有关的全部费用，均使用您拥有的资金支付，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring 支付的、与 Lady May 有关的全部费用，均是依照您的指示支付的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring 为 Lady May 支付的任何费用，均未使用属于 Mileson Kwok 的资产支付，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是 Lamp Capital 的衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是 Lamp Capital 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是 Golden Spring 的衡平法所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是 Golden Spring 的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对 Lamp Capital 拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital LLC（蓝普资本有限责任公司）支付的、与 Lady May 有关的全部费用，均使用您控制的资产支付，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital LLC 支付的、与 Lady May 有关的全部费用，均使用您拥有的资产支付，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital LLC 支付的、与 Lady May 有关的全部费用，均是依照您的指示支付的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital 支付的、与 Lady May 有关的任何费用，均未使用属于 Mileson Kwok 的资产支付，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital 的任何资产均不属于Kwok先生——我是指 Mileson Kwok——，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对 Lamp Capital 的资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您的儿子 Mileson Kwok 对 Lamp Capital 的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您的儿子 Mileson Kwok 对 Golden Spring 的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您要求 Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）代表您就 Lady May、HK USA 和 HK International 采取行动，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您要求 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）代表您就 Lady May、HK International 和 HK USA 采取行动，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang 就 Lady May 所采取的全部行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang 就 Lady May 所采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner 就 Lady May 所采取的全部行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner 就 Lady May 所采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang 就 HK International 所采取的全部行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang 就 HK USA 所采取的全部行动，均是依照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生提问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang 就 HK International 所采取的全部行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n第32页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n罗姆尼先生（Aaron Romney）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生（Avi Luft）问：\n\n问：郭先生，Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）就 HK USA 所采取的一切行动，都是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）就 HK International 所采取的一切行动，都是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner 就 HK USA 所采取的一切行动，都是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner 就 HK International 所采取的一切行动，都是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n第33页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner 就 HK USA 所采取的一切行动，都是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，Yvette Wang 目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，王女士自至少 2015 年起直至目前一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，王女士自至少 2015 年起直至目前一直担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，王女士目前担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道王女士目前所在的位置，对吗？\n\n共38页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n问：郭先生，王女士目前居住在哪里？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner 目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在 Max Krasner 参与 Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）的所有期间，他一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在您与 Max Krasner 有任何关联的所有期间，他一直担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner 目前担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您有 Max Krasner 目前的联系信息，包括其地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner 目前的住址是什么？\n\n第35页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krasner 目前的电话号码是什么？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道如何联系 Yvette Wang，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您尚未将该信息告知受托人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：可否请口译员询问证人是否需要休息。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，您知道如何联系 Max Krasner，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi，您没有听到我刚才记入记录的内容吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：Aaron，我没有听到您说的话。抱歉。\n\n罗姆尼先生：哦，抱歉。我刚才请求口译员询问证人是否需要休息。\n\n口译员：哦，好的。\n\n第36页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n（照办。）\n\n证人：是的。这很累。我需要休息。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。Aaron，我还有大约两个问题要完成。我们能否先问完，然后再休息？\n\n证人：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，您目前知道 Max Krasner 的联系信息，包括地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您尚未将该信息告知受托人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：Aaron，如果您现在想休息，也可以。您想休息多久？\n\n罗姆尼先生：您想休息多久？五分钟、十分钟？\n\n证人：十分钟。\n\n罗姆尼先生：十分钟？\n\n卢夫特先生：当然。\n\n录像员：我们将在上午 11:47 停止记录。\n\n第37页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们在下午 12:05 恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，您对 Lady May 的航行具有最终决定权，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您对 Lady May 船员将游艇驶往何处具有最终控制权，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您曾指示 Lady May 于 2020 年从纽约驶往佛罗里达州，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 于 2020 年秋季从纽约驶往佛罗里达州，是因为您指示这样做，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您曾指示 Lady May 于 2020 年秋季从佛罗里达州驶往巴哈马，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide（TSG全球速记服务） 877-702-9580\n\n共38页\n\n第38页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 于 2020 年秋季从佛罗里达州驶往巴哈马，是因为您指示船员这样做，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您曾指示 Lady May 于 2021 年驶往欧洲，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 于 2021 年驶往欧洲，是因为您作出指示要求如此进行，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，您指示 Lady May 驶往欧洲，是为了使 Lady May 不落入您债权人之手，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 一直留在欧洲，直至您授权其返回美国，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是唯一有权命令 Lady May 返回美国的人，对吗？\n\n第39页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，当您指示 Lady May 于 2021 年驶往欧洲时，您和您的女儿 Mei Guo（郭梅）都知道，这样做将违反 Ostrager（奥斯特拉格）的命令，并导致您产生藐视法庭费用，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 于 2022 年返回康涅狄格州水域，仅仅是因为您指示其如此做，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您熟悉一名叫 William Je（威廉·杰）的人吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，William Je 是亲密的家庭朋友，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的女儿称 Je 先生为“威廉叔叔”，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Je 先生担任代理人，对吗？\n\n第40页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Je 先生目前在您的商业交易中担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在 2022 年 4 月，Je 先生——Je 先生就 Lady May 所采取的任何行动，都是作为您的代理人采取的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Je 先生就商业交易所采取的任何行动，都是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，就涉及您和 Je 先生的任何商业交易而言，Je 先生受您控制，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Je 先生按照您的指示，通过使用 Himalaya Farms（喜马拉雅农场）为您筹集资金，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，任何据称由 William Je 控制的资产，实际上都是由您控制的资产，对吗？\n\n第41页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，任何据称由 William Je 控制的实体，实际上都是由您控制的实体，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，日期为 April 19, 2022、由 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）作为贷款人、HK USA 作为借款人的贷款协议，是应您的要求安排的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您控制 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited，对吗？\n\n证人：我现在想与我的律师交谈。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。\n\n罗姆尼先生：休息五分钟。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。\n\n录像员：我们将在下午 12:17 停止记录。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第42页 第43页\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现于下午12:24恢复记录。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）先生，您是Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的全部资产均在您的控制之下，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Himalaya International Financial Group Limited向HK USA（HK USA）出借的$37 million资金，是由您拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，就本Chapter 11案件而言，HK USA存入托管的$37 million由您控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，HK USA就所谓来自Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的$37 million贷款偿还$37 million本金的任何款项，均将支付给由您控制的实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师（罗姆尼律师）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，HK USA就所谓来自Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的$37 million贷款支付的任何利息，均将支付给由您控制的实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2022年2月7日纽约州最高法院（Supreme Court of the State of New York）Ostrager法官（奥斯特拉格法官）主持的证据听证会上，您的利益在于使法院认定HK USA为Lady May（Lady May号）的受益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对该问题提出异议。\n\n口译员：我没有听清。问题之后有人说了什么。\n\nROMNEY律师：能否请人重读问题。\n\nLUFT先生：能否先将其翻译，然后再重读。\n\n口译员：（照办。）\n\nROMNEY律师：我们能先听取重读的问题吗？\n\n（记录员重读了最后一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，HK USA和Mei Guo（郭美）的律师出席了2022年2月7日的证据听证会，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在2022年2月7日的听证会上，HK USA和郭美的律师协助陈述了您的抗辩，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2022年2月7日的听证会上，HK USA和郭美的律师与您的律师共同准备并陈述您的案件，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您指示2022年2月7日证据听证会的律师，就该听证会与HK USA及郭美订立共同利益协议，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：我将基于律师—委托人保密特权指示证人不要回答。\n\nLUFT先生：Romney律师，您知道那是在破产申请前，因此任何共同利益均属于受托人，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：请记录员重读该问题——重读该问题。\n\n（记录员重读了最后一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY律师：您可以回答。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在Ostrager法官主持的2022年2月7日证据听证会上，HK USA和郭美与您具有相同的利益，即由法院认定HK USA是Lady May的受益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您就Chapter 11申请提交的破产清单，本应将您对Lady May的受益所有权列为破产财产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您就Chapter 11申请提交的破产清单，本应将您对HK USA的受益所有权列为破产财产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring（金泉）和Lamp Capital（兰普资本）的任何用于支付Lady May费用的资产，包括与其有关的任何律师费，均应在您就Chapter 11申请提交的破产清单中申报为破产财产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring持有的全部资产实际上均为您的破产财产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lamp Capital持有的全部资产实际上均为您的破产财产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子Mileson Kwok（Mileson Kwok）名义持有的全部资产实际上均为您的破产财产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，以您女儿郭美名义持有的全部资产实际上均为您的破产财产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，以您妻子Hing Chi Ngok（Hing Chi Ngok）名义持有的全部资产实际上均为您的破产财产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您指示设立了许多离岸公司，无论是设于BVI、Hong Kong还是其他地方，目的都是持有您的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您曾以您子女、妻子和商业伙伴的名义设立这些离岸公司，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，无论这些实体是否登记在您妻子、女儿、儿子、Wang女士（王女士）、Krasner先生（克拉斯纳先生）或您任何其他商业伙伴名下，事实上，您拥有并控制每一个该等离岸实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您设立这些离岸实体的原因，是为了掩盖您对其所持资产的所有权，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您设立这些离岸实体并将资产置入其中的原因，是试图向您的债权人隐匿您的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的女儿郭美担任成员、董事或负责人的所有实体，实际上均由您受益所有并控制，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，HK USA、HK International（HK国际）、Eastern Profit Corporation Limited（东方盈利有限公司）、Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）、Anton Development Limited（安东开发有限公司）、Anton Development USA Limited LLC（安东开发美国有限责任公司）、GM27 LLC（GM27有限责任公司）、Loss Draft LLC（Loss Draft有限责任公司）、Gypsy May Productions LLC（Gypsy May制作有限责任公司）、Gypsy May Food Service LLC（Gypsy May餐饮服务有限责任公司）、Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC（哈德逊钻石控股有限责任公司）、Hudson Diamond New York LLC（哈德逊钻石纽约有限责任公司）、Allied Capital Global Limited（联合资本全球有限公司）、Creative Apex Investment Limited（创意顶峰投资有限公司）、Crystal Breeze Investments Limited（水晶微风投资有限公司）、Elite Well Global Limited（精英井全球有限公司）、Globalist International Limited（环球主义者国际有限公司）、Infinite Increased Limited（无限增长有限公司）、Infinium Developments Limited（Infinium开发有限公司）、Noble Fame Global Limited（高贵名望全球有限公司）、Rosy Acme Ventures Limited（玫瑰顶点创投有限公司）、Leading Shine New York Limited（领耀纽约有限公司）和Leading Shine Limited（领耀有限公司），均是以您女儿名义持有、但实际上由您拥有并控制的资产，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，以郭美名义持有的全部资产，均系以完全由您拥有并控制的资金购得，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：请记录员在证人回答前重读该问题。\n\n（记录员重读了最后一个问题。）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，以郭美名义持有的全部资产均完全由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，自2015年至今，用于支付与您有关的任何费用的资金，包括但不限于生活费用和律师费，均由郭美及其拥有或控制的任何实体提供，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：抱歉。能否也重读该问题。抱歉。\n\n（记录员重读了最后一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，自2015年至今，用于支付与您有关的任何费用的资金，包括但不限于生活费用和律师费，均不是由居住在中国的任何您的家庭成员提供的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，郭美除从您拥有并控制的实体取得收入外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\nROMNEY律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第52页 第53页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） H. Kwok\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，梅·郭（Mei Guo，郭美）从您拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，都是您赠与她的礼物，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，梅·郭及任何以其名义设立的实体从您拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，即使在转给郭女士之后，仍由您控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，梅·郭从未担任盘古广场（Pangu Plaza）的首席执行官，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，迈尔森·郭（Mileson Kwok，郭强）除您拥有并控制的实体之外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，迈尔森·郭及任何以其名义设立的实体从您拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，即使在转给迈尔森·郭之后，仍由您控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，迈尔森·郭从您拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，都是您赠与他的礼物，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，自2015年至今，用于支付与您有关的任何费用，包括但不限于生活费和法律费用的资金，没有一笔是由迈尔森·郭及其拥有并控制的任何实体提供的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，您儿子迈尔森·郭被列为成员、董事或负责人的所有实体，实际上均由您实益拥有并控制，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n第54页 第55页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring New York Limited、Lamp Capital LLC、Bravo Luck Limited、Infinity Treasury Management, Inc.、Saraca Media Group, Inc.、K Legacy Limited、Well Origin Limited、ACA Hong Kong Investment Holdings Group Limited及Powerwell Flowable Limited，均以您儿子迈尔斯·郭（Miles Kwok，郭强）的名义持有，但实际上由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，名为Kingdom Rich Limited的实体由您而非您的儿子拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子迈尔森·郭名义持有的所有资产，均是使用由您拥有并控制的资金购买的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子迈尔森·郭名义持有的所有资产，实际上均由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，这包括位于伦敦5 Princess Gate的住所，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制您儿子迈尔森·郭收藏的汽车，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼律师：阿维（Avi），我们已经相当偏离本对抗程序中的争议事项了。我一直给予相当大的宽容，但我将不得不开始指示证人不要回答；如有必要，我们将申请保护令。\n\n我不认为我们今天在此讨论的反诉中有任何关于汽车的指控。\n\n卢夫特律师：我不这么认为，我认为有。但我这里还有几个收尾问题，然后我想——下一组问题，我想您会看到——我认为我们之间不会就其相关性存在任何争议。\n\n第56页 第57页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子迈尔森·郭名义持有的任何资产，均不由您以外的其家庭成员拥有或控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子迈尔森·郭名义持有的任何资产，均不是使用由您以外的其家庭成员拥有或控制的资金购买的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，2006年10月3日，您成立了一家名为Hong Kong International Funds Limited的香港实体，我们一直称其为HK International，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，当时Hong Kong International的所有资产均属于您，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，直至并包括2014年10月10日，您一直是Hong Kong International的唯一股东和董事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2014年10月，娜塔莎·曲（Natasha Qu，又名Qu Guo Jiao，曲国娇）是您的财务经理，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：当时曲女士处理您的财务事务，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，当时曲女士是您的雇员，并就与您的财务有关的所有事项作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立、并已标记为证物1的《信托声明》，将曲女士列为受托人，并将您列为受益人，对吗？\n\n第58页 第59页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，该已标记为证物1、我将称为“HK International《信托声明》”的《信托声明》，是与曲女士订立的——抱歉——即与曲女士订立的，该声明授权并要求曲女士以您的名义持有您在Hong Kong International的主要股份，对吗？\n\n卢夫特律师：我将撤回该问题，因为我认为问题没有清楚地表达出来。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，根据您与曲女士订立的Hong Kong International《信托声明》，您授权并要求曲女士以您的名义持有Hong Kong International的股份，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的Hong Kong International《信托声明》规定，您转让给曲女士的股份不属于曲女士，而是属于作为该协议项下受益人的您，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的HK International《信托声明》规定，曲女士将以代名人身份并为您信托持有您转让给她的Hong Kong International股份，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，根据您与曲女士订立的HK International《信托声明》，曲女士只能依照您的指示行使与您转让给她的HK International股份有关的权利，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，即使在2014年10月10日之后，您仍根据未披露的HK International《信托声明》实益拥有HK International，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。此外，已问已答。\n\n第60页 第61页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n证人：已问已答。好。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，2014年10月10日之后，您仍继续控制HK International，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：异议。已问已答。\n\n答：我相当困惑。您在问同样的问题。每次都是同样的问题，一遍又一遍。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，我不认为是这样。您的律师可以提出已问已答的异议，尽管这在证言录取中并非适当的异议。话虽如此，他可以提出该异议，但我仍需要您回答问题。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月23日，HK International依照您的指示，以EUR 28 million从Apsley Yacht Limited购买Lady May，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月，您独家实益拥有并控制Bravo Luck Limited，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，今天您仍实益拥有并控制Bravo Luck Limited，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月23日，Bravo Luck Limited依照您的指示，从您独家控制的Bravo Luck在UBS的银行账户转出资金，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特律师：我请求法庭书记员将带有贝茨编号UBS00137至156的文件标记为郭PJR证言证物2。\n\n威尔（Will），那是标签190，如果您能将其调出。\n\n（郭PJR证物2于本日收到并标记用于识别。）\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：郭先生，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n第62页 第63页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n卢夫特律师：\n\n问：这显示了为购买Lady May而进行的25 million UBS电汇，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：能把那个放大一些吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，这是 Bravo Luck（布拉沃·拉克）的一份2015年 UBS（瑞银）银行对账单，显示您在该账户中实益拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，由 Eastern Profit Corporation（东方利润公司）汇入370 million，以及由 Hong Kong International（香港国际）汇入150 million 的资金，均存于 UBS 的 Bravo Luck 账户中供您使用；这两个实体均由您拥有和控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请法庭记录员将一份带有 Bates 编号 UBS02746 的文件标记为 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 3。\n\n（Kwok PJR Exhibit 3 已于本日接收并标记供识别之用。）\n\n问：郭先生，我们刚刚看到的 Exhibit 2 中所载 UBS 银行账户内的 $25 million 资金，被用于为您购置 Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：阿维，Exhibit 2 是否已向本对抗程序的各方提交？\n\n卢夫特先生：我得就此回复您。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您对我们一直在讨论的 UBS 银行账户享有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的儿子 Mileson Kwok（郭强）未参与任何与 HK International（香港国际）收购 Lady May 有关的交易，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：亚伦，现在是1:22。你们想休午餐吗？还是想继续进行？\n\n我也考虑到法庭记录员、摄像员以及口译员的情况。\n\n罗姆尼先生：那是个问题吗？我不知道您是在说话。\n\n卢夫特先生：我只是在铺垫。等他能看见后，我会问他一个问题，亚伦。\n\n罗姆尼先生：是，是。我只是想澄清一下。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。我不想在他看到文件之前问他这个问题。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。\n\n请把那个再放大一点。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，首先，如果我们向下滚动，您认得文件上的签名吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，那是您的签名，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是一份 UBS 电汇文件，显示从我们刚刚看到的 Exhibit 2 中所载 UBS 银行账户转出 $25 million 的资金，而该资金被用于为您购置 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：您预计今天还剩多少时间？\n\n（庭外进行了讨论。）\n\n摄像员：我们于下午1:22停止记录。\n\n（下午1:22休午餐。）\n\n（下午2:00恢复证言录取。）\n\n下午庭审\n\n摄像员：我们于下午2:00恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：下午好，郭先生。\n\n答：下午好。\n\n问：郭先生，您熟悉在您的 Chapter 11（第11章）案件中提交的拟议 Chapter 11 计划，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道，根据您在 Brown Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克）律师事务所的律师提出并推动的计划，其中提到所谓的“boat contribution（游艇出资）”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，根据该游艇出资计划，Lady May 将被出资给一个债权人信托，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在包括游艇出资在内的 Chapter 11 计划被提出时，您是 Lady May 的实益所有人并控制该游艇，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，拟议计划下的游艇出资实际上并非应由 HK USA（香港美国公司）作出的出资，因为您的破产财产已实益拥有并控制 Lady May，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您知道 HK USA 已对您提起对抗程序，主张对 Lady May 的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道，HK USA 提起该对抗程序，是为了使 Lady May 被视为 HK USA 及您女儿 Mei Guo（郭美）作出的出资，以证明其根据该计划获得免责的正当性，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，与该计划下的游艇出资同时提起对抗程序的计划，是由您的律师及 HK USA 的律师共同达成的计划，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这些程序中，您由一名叫 Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）的人代理，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：米切尔先生同时担任 HK USA 和郭美的律师，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：就其在您的 Chapter 11 程序中代理您，以及在与 Chapter 11 程序有关的对抗诉讼中代理 HK USA 和郭美而言，您认为米切尔先生不存在利益冲突，因为您实益拥有并控制您的破产财产、HK USA 以及 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我请求将 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 4——请容我撤回。\n\n我请求将 ECF299——即强制 HK International Funds Investments (USA) Limited, LLC（香港国际基金投资〈美国〉有限公司）运输并交付该特定游艇“Lady May”的双方约定裁定——标记为 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 4，并向证人出示。\n\n（Kwok PJR Exhibit 4 已于本日接收并标记供识别之用。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您已通过您的律师同意受本裁定约束，对吗？\n\n答：我不懂英语。\n\n问：我的问题是，您是否指示您的律师同意您受这份已标记为 Exhibit 4 的双方约定裁定约束？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您指示 HK USA 的律师同意受该协议约束，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，作为 HK USA 的实益所有人及控制人，您指示您的女儿同意受该协议约束，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您同意由 William Je（杰威廉）于 April 13, 2022 汇出 $37 million，作为保证金缴纳，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Je 先生的——请容我撤回。\n\n郭先生，Himalaya Capital（喜马拉雅资本）与 HK USA 之间的贷款协议，这两个实体均由您拥有和控制，该协议于 April 19, 2022 达成，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您指示 HK USA 和 Himalaya Capital 签订该 $37 million 贷款协议，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，抱歉。我一直将其称为“Himalaya International Capital”。我的意思是 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）。\n\n该更正是否改变您的任何回答？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：为明确起见，郭先生，您在 April 2022 拥有并控制 Himalaya International Financial Group，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：已问及并已回答。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Exhibit 4 中载明的条款，即强制 HK International Funds Investments 运输并交付 Lady May 的双方约定裁定中的条款，与您决定让 Himalaya International Financial Group 向 HK USA 提供 $37 million 贷款无关，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您本应——抱歉。请容我撤回。\n\n郭先生，HK USA 是依您的指示，与 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited 签订 $37 million 贷款，不论有关强制返还 Lady May 的双方约定裁定尚需达成何种条款，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：我可以要求重读该问题吗？\n\n证人：抱歉。我想我——也许我的午餐吃坏了。我感到不舒服，需要去洗手间，而且可能要花一些时间。\n\n卢夫特先生：郭先生，没问题。您先处理您需要处理的事情；您回来时我会在这里。\n\n摄像员：我们于下午2:18停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n摄像员：我们于下午2:27恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在 Himalaya International Financial Group Limited 之前，拟向 HK USA 提供 $37 million 贷款的一方——该实体是 ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您对 ACA Capital Group Limited 享有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是 ACA Capital Group Limited 全部资产的实益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：并且，郭先生，您对 ACA Capital Group Limited 的资产享有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您对 Saraca Media Group Limited（萨拉卡媒体集团有限公司）享有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您对 Saraca Media Group（萨拉卡媒体集团）享有独占实益所有权，对吗？\n\n郭先生，您享有独占实益——您是 Saraca Media Group 的独占实益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有 $37 million 的原因\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是 ACA Capital Group Limited 的唯一实际受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，为缴纳保释金而汇出的款项，是为了让您免于入狱，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n郭文贵 第75页\n\n郭文贵\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，由于您有避免入狱的动机，您本会将该 $37 million 汇出以缴纳保释金，而不论与其返还有关的任何条款，或 Lady May 抵达后将如何处理该款项，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：郭先生，我想向您出示一份将标记为证物的视频，该视频来自 Vice，我将请我的同事播放。该视频将标记为证物5。\n\n（截至本日期，郭文贵 PJR 证物5已收到并标记供识别。）\n\n证人：有问题吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：抱歉，郭先生，没有。没有任何音频。一旦我能让它播放，我会向您提问。\n\n有人听到声音吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：我们没有听到任何声音。\n\n法默先生：声音有问题。抱歉。\n\n卢夫特先生：慢慢来，Will。\n\n证人：没有声音。\n\n法默先生：既然如此，我们可能需要返回这份证物，我会研究如何调整音频。\n\n卢夫特先生：我们何不先在没有声音的情况下播放一次，我们会尽力处理，Will，您可以着手处理。\n\nWill，您能播放证物5吗？\n\n法默先生：（照做。）\n\n（播放无音频视频。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您是否认出自己是该视频中的其中一人？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，虽然我们无法听到音频，但字幕中多次提到您说——提及“我的游艇”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您向 Vice News 采访者提及“我的游艇”时所指的游艇，是 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，证物5看起来是您接受 Vice News 采访的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n第76页\n\n郭文贵\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：Will，能否请您放出下一个视频。我们将其标记为证物6。\n\n（截至本日期，郭文贵 PJR 证物6已收到并标记供识别。）\n\n（播放有音频视频。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您是证物6视频中讲话的人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，视频录制时您在 Lady May 上，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，该视频于 2022 年11月制作，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，该视频发布在由您拥有并控制的 Vetter（音译）社交媒体网络上，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，被标记为证物6的视频，是您于 2022 年11月在 Lady May 甲板上讲话的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n第77页\n\n郭文贵\n\n问：郭先生，证物6视频是您于 2022 年11月在 Lady May 甲板上讲话的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：Will，能否请您播放下一个视频，我们将其标记为郭文贵 PJR 证言证物7号。\n\n（截至本日期，郭文贵 PJR 证物7已收到并标记供识别。）\n\n（播放有音频视频。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，视频中讲话的人是您，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该视频中，这是您接受的一次采访的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该视频中，您谈到出售 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该视频中，您谈到您于 2015 年购买 Lady May 时，该船当时被交付至 Miami，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 自 2015 年起一直在 United States，对吗？\n\n第78页\n\n郭文贵\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 自 2015 年起一直在 United States，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自 Lady May 在 United States 期间，您一直都在 United States，对吗？\n\n让我撤回该问题。\n\n郭先生，自 2015 年起您一直居住在 United States，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的女儿 Mei Guo（郭梅）直到 2017 年才来到 United States，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May 于 2015 年购买时，并未交付到 Mei Guo 居住的地点，而实际上是交付到您居住的 United States，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，从该船于 2015 年交付至 Miami 至 2017 年6月期间，您经常使用——您登上并驾驶 Lady May 航行，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第79页\n\n郭文贵\n\n问：郭先生，在此期间，您的女儿 Mei Guo 从未踏上 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在 2015 年至 2017 年6月期间对 Lady May 的使用，与您自 2017 年6月起至今对 Lady May 的使用没有任何不同，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n证人：王女士，我需要再去一趟洗手间。我感到不舒服。\n\n卢夫特先生：我们休息一下，以便您可以去。\n\n证人：我非常抱歉。\n\n卢夫特先生：不。请您照顾好自己。\n\n录像员：下午 2:49 停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：下午 2:54 恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，我将请我的同事重新展示证物5，据告知我们现在有音频了。\n\n法默先生：请稍候。\n\n（播放有音频视频。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，现在您已能听到该视频的音频，您是否同意这是您接受 Vice News 采访的真实准确副本？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在作为证物5的视频中听到了多次提及“我的游艇”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在证物5中反复称为“我的游艇”的游艇是 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请我的同事 Will Farmer 展示下一个视频，我们将其标记为本次证言的证物8。\n\n（截至本日期，郭文贵 PJR 证物8已收到并标记供识别。）\n\n（播放有音频视频。）\n\n第81页\n\n郭文贵\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您在该通话视频的左上角看到了自己，您的下方显示着 Miles 这个名字，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您进行的一次通话的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该通话中，您告诉参与者，如有任何问题，应联系 William Je（叶钊颖），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在您进行的这段通话视频中，您告诉参与者，如有与向您拥有并控制的实体转移资金有关的问题，应与您的代理人 William Je 交谈，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：Will，您能否——我请您将下一份证物标记为证物9，我相信它是一条日期为 May 10, 2017 的 Tweet。\n\n（截至本日期，郭文贵 PJR 证物9已收到并标记供识别。）\n\n第83页\n\n郭文贵\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您是否认出自己出现在这份证物中？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您发布的 Tweet 的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这条日期为 May 10, 2017 的 Tweet 中，您称您正在发布“我送给女儿并以她的名字命名的游艇”的照片，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这条 Tweet 中，您还写道“我以 EUR 41 million 买下了 Lady May”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，如果我们向下滚动，您可以看到下面还有一条日期为 August 27, 2017 的 Tweet。\n\n郭先生，您看到那条 Tweet 吗？\n\n答：王女士，问题是什么？\n\n问：您是否看到了下方那条日期为 August 27, 2017、其中有您照片的 Tweet？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：您是否看到——而且这是您于 August 27, 2017 发布的 Tweets 的真实准确副本，郭先生？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这条 Tweet 中，您称 Lady May 为“我的船”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您写了那些文字，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这条 Tweet 中，您还写道：“这是两年前，当时我在 Miami，刚刚签署了我一生中最重要的投资合同”，后有感叹号。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您与谁签署了您一生中最重要的投资合同？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是以自己的名义签署该投资合同，而不是作为他人的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第84页 第85页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵） H. Kwok\n\n问：郭先生，您如何处置了您通过签署该投资合同所取得的资产？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一家名为“HCHK Property Management Inc.（HCHK物业管理公司）”的实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，为记录起见，就我今天向您展示的视频证物而言，如果我将这些视频描述为真实、准确的录像，而非真实、准确的复制件，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：在这个问题中，问题是什么？\n\n问：在提及我们今天查看的视频证物时，即证物5、6、7和8，我问您它们是否为真实、准确的复制件。如果我还问您同一个问题，即它们是否为那些视频的真实、准确的录像，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一项名为“HCHK Technologies Inc.（HCHK科技公司）”的财产，对吗？\n\n口译员：HCHK Technologies, Inc.，这是该公司的名称吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：是，女士。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，一名名为Elliot Dordick（埃利奥特·多迪克）的人与HCHK Technologies, Inc.和HCHK Property Management, Inc.有关联，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Dordick先生就本案第11章受托人所作的一切行为和陈述，（听不清），均是在您的指示和控制下作出的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：我提出对问题形式的异议。再次，这似乎已远远超出本对抗程序中任何事项的范围。\n\n请继续回答这个问题，但除非提出证明要约，否则我将开始指示证人不要回答这一类问题。\n\n请继续。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，除Lady May（Lady May号）外，您还拥有并控制第二艘名为Lady May II（Lady May II号）的船只，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide（TSG全球记录服务） 877-702-9580\n\n第86页 第87页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Lady May II号与Lady May号一样，也是您破产财产中的一项资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Lady May II号目前位于何处？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）此前曾担任您的律师，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Podhaskie先生是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Podhaskie先生曾作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Podhaskie先生作为Golden Spring（Golden Spring公司）律师所采取的一切行为，实际上均是按照您的指示并为了您的利益而采取的行为，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Daniel Podhaskie就Golden Spring、Leading Shine Limited（Leading Shine有限公司）、Saraca Media Group（Saraca媒体集团）、Greenwich Land LLC（格林威治土地有限责任公司）、Rule of Law Society（法治协会）以及Sherry-Netherland apartment（Sherry-Netherland公寓）所采取的一切行为，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Anthony D'Battista（安东尼·德巴蒂斯塔）也是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：D'Battista先生就其与Saraca Media相关的所有G实体所从事的工作，是作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n（书记员澄清。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，D'Battista先生作为您的代理人并按照您的指示，就其与G实体相关的所有活动行事；我所指的是G Fashion、G Music、G Club、Getter以及Saraca Media，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道Fiona Yu（余菲奥娜）是谁，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：您指示Fiona Yu作为您的代理人，就向您的律师Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯）寻求与向您的债权人隐匿Lady May号有关的法律意见一事发言，对吗？\n\n第88页 第89页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，同样地，余女士就ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司）所采取的一切行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您任命Fiona Yu担任ACA Capital Group Limited的公司秘书；该实体由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Karen Maistrello（凯伦·迈斯特雷洛）是另一名就您的商业交易作为您的代理人行事的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：为记录起见，Maistrello拼写为M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O。\n\n证人：我需要回答吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：不。我只是向法庭记录员提供该信息，郭先生。您无需做任何事情。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Maistrello女士是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道一名名为Han Chunguang（韩春光）的人吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Eastern Profit Limited（Eastern Profit有限公司）是以您女儿Mei Guo（郭美）的名义设立的实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Chunguang先生就Eastern Profit所采取的一切行动，都是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Chunguang先生就与您有关的任何实体相关的一切事务，均作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：我提出异议。我们再次远远偏离了HK对抗程序中相对狭窄的相互指控范围。\n\n卢夫特先生：我不同意。这是以郭女士名义设立的另一个实体。\n\n罗姆尼先生：另一个实体？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第90页 第91页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n卢夫特先生：对。与一贯的活动模式和做法相一致。\n\n罗姆尼先生：您可以回答这个问题。\n\n我认为，我们已经偏离得很远；我尚未指示证人不要回答问题。基于相关性，我告诉您，在这个问题上我们已经非常接近界限了。\n\n请继续。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：我向Han先生致歉。有人告诉我，Han是他的姓氏。\n\n郭先生，当我提到Han Chunguang时，您明白我所指的是谁，且Han是姓氏吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：作出该澄清后，郭先生，这会改变您此前就Han Chunguang所作出的任何回答吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭女士，Lady May号并非您拥有并控制、且登记在您女儿名下的唯一交通工具，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您作为受益所有人拥有并——控制Whitecroft Shores Limited（Whitecroft Shores有限公司）；该公司是一家以您女儿名义设立的英属维尔京群岛公司，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：刚才那句话的音频变得模糊了。\n\n卢夫特先生：当然。我很乐意再问一遍。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您受益所有并控制Whitecroft Shore Limited（Whitecroft Shore有限公司），该公司是一家登记在您女儿郭美名下的英属维尔京群岛公司，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您将您的资产Bombardier Global XRS（一架序列号为9189的飞机）置入Whitecroft Shore Limited，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，尽管该飞机始终登记在Whitecroft Shore Limited名下，您是该飞机的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n第92页 第93页\n\nH. Kwok H. Kwok\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，同样，您是Airbus ACJ319（空中客车ACJ319）的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，用于购买Bombardier Global XRS和Airbus ACJ319的所有资金均属于您，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：阿维，我认为我们需要继续往下进行。我明白您的观点，也理解您的观点。您试图证明某种行为模式。我并不是说我同意，但我理解您正在做的概念。不过，我认为，就多个实体的多个层面提出几乎完全相同的问题，正变得极其重复，超出规则——超出规则26的范围，并已达到类似骚扰行为的程度。\n\n我这样说并非不敬；我只是这样说，以便我们今天之后都能继续各自的生活，或者继续进行今天的事情，因为这已极其超出范围。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。我听到了您的观点。我不同意您。不过，我认为您理解我试图说明的要点，以及我为什么认为这具有相关性。\n\n我会尽量继续进行下去。我认为剩下的内容不多了，我会尽量快速完成。\n\n罗姆尼先生：谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好。\n\n卢夫特先生：再问几个实体和几个人，我想我们就可以了。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您熟悉一名名为Zhang Wei（张伟）的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Zhang Wei就与您有关的任何资产或实体所采取的任何行动，都是在您的指示和控制下采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第95页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT（卢夫特）律师讯问：\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生（郭文贵），Zhang Wei（张伟）从未是 Genever Holdings LLC（Genever 控股有限责任公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\nROMNEY（罗姆尼）律师：对该问题提出异议。该问题涉及另一正在进行的程序，Guo女士（郭女士）和 HKI 已显然是该程序的当事方。这超出了本对立程序的范围。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：您可以回答，Kwok先生。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，我们此前谈到过 Bravo Luck Limited（保华利有限公司）。\n\nZhang Wei 从未是 Bravo Luck Limited 的所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：关于此事的最后一个问题，然后我会继续。\n\nZhang Wei 从未是——\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是 Greenwich Land LLC（格林威治土地有限责任公司）的受益所有人并对其实施控制，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：我将提出异议，并指示证人不要回答。该实体与本对立程序中的任何一方均无关联。\n\nLUFT 律师：所以，Aaron，让我再奠定一些基础，然后，希望您会明白，好吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）和 Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）均曾就 Lady May（“五月女士”号）采取行动，该等行动与其代表您在 Golden Spring（戈尔登斯普林）所担任的职务有关，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Krasner先生和 Wang女士是否还同时在 Greenwich Land LLC 任职，对吗？\n\n证人：抱歉。我又得去洗手间了。我的肚子又在响。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。Kwok先生，我只需要您回答这个问题，因为在问题尚未回答时我们不能休庭，但之后我会让您休息。\n\n答：我刚刚已经回答过了，援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。我们休息一下，您可以去洗手间。\n\n录像员：下午 3:37 停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：下午 3:43 恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，我再问您一次，您是 Greenwich Land LLC 的受益所有人并对其实施控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。Kwok先生，我要求将该文件——\n\nLUFT 律师：Will，请将 Kwok PJR 证言证据 10 标记为——Will，请展示一份题为“Declaration of Trust and Agreement”（《信托声明及协议》）的文件。该文件位于标签 211。\n\n（Kwok PJR 证据 10 已于本日收到并标记以供识别。）\n\nLUFT 律师：Will，请翻到最后一页。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您在本页——最后一页——上看到您的签名了吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，这份信托协议，即——所谓的信托协议，已标记为证据 10，于 2015 年 3 月 6 日购买 Sherry-Netherland（谢里－内瑟兰）公寓完成交割时尚不存在，对吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：我将提出异议。该文件再次成为争议标的。它在另一对立程序中是直接争议事项，而本案当事方并未在该程序中。我看不出该文件与 HK USA 或 Guo女士有任何意义或任何关联性。\n\nLUFT 律师：嗯，进入 Bravo Luck Limited 的实体，正是据称为购买 Lady May 和 Sherry-Netherland 公寓提供资金的同一实体。我认为这具有直接关联性。我很乐意不在这上面花太多时间，但我确实希望得到我问题的回答。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师：Kwok先生，我们休息五分钟吧。我可能已经问完了。所以让我查看一下笔记。可以吗？\n\n录像员：下午 3:47 停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：下午 3:54 恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 律师：Kwok先生，您的律师和我已经讨论过这样一种设想：如果法院同意，可以用本证言笔录代替您在 PJR 听证会上的现场证言。我希望法院会同意。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：但是让我问一下，如果无论因何原因，您必须在本次听证会上提供现场证言，并被问到今天向您提出的相同问题，您会给出相同的回答吗？\n\nROMNEY 律师：我是否理解正确：该问题假定不存在异议，或者假定存在未被维持的异议？\n\n这是否是对该问题的适当限定？\n\nLUFT 律师：我的问题假定您并未放弃对您今天提出异议的任何问题提出异议的权利。\n\nROMNEY 律师：谢谢。\n\n口译员：证人刚才说“是”。那没有被口译出来。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师讯问：\n\n问：为明确起见，Kwok先生，您对我的问题的回答是“是”吗？\n\n答：是。\n\nLUFT 律师：Kwok先生，目前我没有进一步的问题。非常感谢您今天给予我们的时间。\n\nROMNEY 律师：谢谢。我没有向证人提出的问题。\n\n证人：我也想借此机会感谢——向今天在场的各位致谢。很抱歉，因为我感到不舒服，所以浪费了大家相当多的时间。\n\n但我想感谢各位提出的专业问题，也想向各位口译员致谢，包括 Wang女士和 Luyi（路易），以及今天在场的法庭书记员和所有律师，还有我们的录像员。\n\n我还想请您代我向信托和 Luc先生（卢克先生）问好。\n\nLUFT 律师：我一定会转达这些问候，Kwok先生。我也要附和您对法庭书记员、录像员和口译员的感谢，他们今天都完成了非常出色的工作。谢谢。\n\n录像员：这标志着本次证言结束。下午 3:59 停止记录。\n\n（证言继续——下一页）\n\nLUFT 律师：常规命令。\n\nROMNEY 律师：我们会拿一份副本，但不要速记本。\n\nSONG（宋）女士：同样。\n\nROMNEY 律师：我们还将要求取得录像副本。\n\n（记录时间：下午 3:59。）\n\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）\n\n于 2023 年\n 月 日在本人面前签署并宣誓。\n\n证书\n\n康涅狄格州 ）\n\n ：ss\n\n本人 Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M. 肖-克罗克特），作为纽约州、新泽西州和康涅狄格州境内及上述各州的注册法庭书记员、注册优良书记员及公证人，特此证明：\n\nHO WAN KWOK，即上文所载证言的证人，已由本人依法宣誓，且该证言是该证人所作证词的真实记录。\n\n本人进一步证明，本人与本案任何当事人均无血缘或婚姻关系，且本人对本案结果不具有任何利益关系。\n\n兹证明，本人于 2023 年 3 月 2 日在此签名。\n\nANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR\n\n执照编号 XI00218400\n\n目录\n\nLUFT 律师 7\n\n证据\n\n（由法庭书记员保管）\n\n证言 证据 页码\n\n证据 1 信托声明 19\n\n证据 2 UBS 账户对账单，Bravo Luck Ltd.，Bates UBS00137 62\n\n证据 3 电汇，15 March 2015，Bates UBS02746 63\n\n证据 4 约定命令 69\n\n证据 5 Vice 视频 74\n\n证据 6 视频 76\n\n证据 7 视频 77\n\n证据 8 视频 80\n\n证据 9 推文，日期为 May 10, 2017 82\n\n证据 10 信托声明及协议 97\n\n案件名称：In Re: Ho Wan Kwok（关于：郭文贵）\n\n证言日期：March 2, 2023\n\n证人姓名：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n理由代码：\n\n1. 澄清记录。\n\n2. 与事实相符。\n\n3. 更正誊录错误。\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\nHO WAN KWOK","key_entities":["Kwok","Je","Guo","Himalaya","Ho Wan Kwok","William Je","Saraca","CIPA","HCHK","Paul Hastings"],"ecf_references":[{"doc_number":299,"court":"CTB"}],"word_count":28292,"status":"published","published_at":null,"created_at":null,"updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:35:01"}