{"id":"court_ctb_2292_13","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":2292,"sub_number":13,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":null,"title":"Exhibit 13 | 1 |","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **Exhibit 13**\n\n| 1 | | Page 1 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| | 2· ·UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT | |\n| | 3· ·DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT | |\n| | 4· ·BRIDGEPORT DIVISION | |\n| | 5· ·---------------------------------------X | |\n| | 6· ·In Re: | |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Chapter 11
7· · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK,· · · · · · · · · Case No. | |\n| | · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 22-50073 (JAM)
8· · · · · · · · · · · ·Debtor. | |\n| | 9· ·---------------------------------------X | |\n| 10 | | |\n| | 11· · · ·REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK | |\n| | 12· · · · · · · · ·Thursday, March 2, 2023 | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| | 16· ·Reported by: | |\n| | 17· ·Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR | |\n| | 18· ·Job 222883 | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| | · · ·22 | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Page 2 | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 3 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| 2 | | | ·2· ·R E M O T E· ·A P P E A R A N C E S: | |\n| | 3· · · · · · · · · · March 2, 2023 | | ·3· ·PAUL HASTINGS LLP | |\n| | 4· · · · · · · · · ·10:28 a.m. | | · · · · · · Attorneys for TRUSTEE
·4· · · · · 200 Park Avenue | |\n| 5 | | | · · · · · · New York, New York· 10166 | |\n| | | ·5 | | |\n| | 6· · REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF HO WAN KWOK, | | · · ·BY:· AVRAM LUFT, ESQ. | |\n| | 7· · before Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court | | ·6· · · · DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ. | |\n| | 8· · Reporter, Certified Realtime Reporter, Registered | ·7 | · · · · · WILL FARMER, ESQ. | |\n| | 9· · Merit Reporter and Notary Public of the States of | | ·8· ·CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC | |\n| | 10· · New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. | | · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL | |\n| 11 | | | ·9· · · · · MEI GUO | |\n| 12 | | | · · · · · · One Boland Drive
10· · · · · West Orange, New Jersey 07052 | |\n| 13 | | | 11· ·BY:· ·PATRICIA BERGAMASCO, ESQ. | |\n| 14 | | 12 | | |\n| 15 | | | 13· ·ZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C. | |\n| 16 | | | · · · · · · Attorneys for HK INTERNATIONAL
14· · · · · MEI GUO | |\n| 17 | | | · · · · · · 10 Middle Street | |\n| 18 | | | 15· · · · · Bridgeport, Connecticut· 06604 | |\n| | | | 16· ·BY:· ·AARON ROMNEY, ESQ. | |\n| 19 | | 17 | | |\n| 20 | | | 18· ·ALSO PRESENT:· Matthew Chin-Quee, The Videographer
19· · · · · · · · · Luyi Song, Law Clerk, Paul Hastings | |\n| 21 | | | 20· · · · · · · · · Jingyi Wang, Mandarin Interpreter | |\n| 22 | | | 21· · · · · · · · · Una Wilkinson, Mandarin Check Interpreter | |\n| 23 | | | 22· · · · · · **· · · · · · · **· · · · · · · ·** | |\n| 24 | | 23 | | |\n| 25 | | 24
25 | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | Page 4 | | | Page 5 |\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | |\n| | ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Good morning.· My name | | ·2· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | |\n| | ·3· ·is Matthew Chin-Quee.· I'm a legal videographer | | ·3· · · · This is the start of tape number 1 of the | |\n| | ·4· ·in association with TSG Reporting.· I won't be | | ·4· ·videotaped deposition of Ho Wan Kwok in the | |\n| | ·5· ·in the same room with the witness.· I'll record | | ·5· ·matter In Re: Ho Wan Kwok in the United States | |\n| | ·6· ·the deposition remotely.· The reporter, | | ·6· ·Bankruptcy Court District of Connecticut | |\n| | ·7· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett also will not be in the | | ·7· ·Bridgeport Division, number 22-50073 (JAM). | |\n| | ·8· ·same room and will swear the witness remotely. | | ·8· ·The parties have agreed to appear remotely on | |\n| | ·9· · · · Do parties stipulate to the validity of | | ·9· ·March 2, 2023, at approximately 10:28 a.m. | |\n| | 10· ·the video recording and remote swearing and | | 10· · · · My name is Matthew Chin-Quee from | |\n| | 11· ·that it will be admissible in the courtroom as | | 11· ·TSG Reporting, and I'm the legal video | |\n| | 12· ·if it had been taken following Rule 30 of the | | 12· ·specialist.· The court reporter is | |\n| | | | | |\n| | 13· ·Federal Rules of Civil Procedures and the | | 13· ·Angie Shaw-Crockett, in association with | |\n| | 14· ·state's rules where the case is pending? | | 14· ·TSG Reporting. | |\n| | 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· This is Avi Luft on behalf of | | 15· · · · Will all counsel please introduce | |\n| | 16· ·the Chapter 11 trustee, and we agree. | | 16· ·yourself. | |\n| | 17· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, Aaron Romney, | | 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Hi.· This is Avi Luft of | |\n| | 18· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on behalf of the debtor, the | | 18· ·Paul Hastings.· I represent the Chapter 11 | |\n| | 19· ·witness.· We agree. | | 19· ·trustee in, in Re: Ho Wan Kwok.· Along with me | |\n| | 20· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Patricia Bergamasco on | | 20· ·are my colleagues Douglass Barron, Will Farmer, | |\n| | 21· ·behalf of Mei Guo and HK International. | | 21· ·and Luyi Song, who is a law clerk. | |\n| | 22· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | | 22· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Aaron Romney, | |\n| | 23· · · · This is the -- | | 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler.· I represent the Debtor | |\n| | 24· · · · MR. LUFT:· You agree? | | 24· ·Mr. Kwok in the main bankruptcy case.· Also | |\n| | 25· · · · MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes.· My apologies. | | 25· ·representing him in his capacity as a witness | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n38\n\n38\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 6 | | Page 7 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · today in this adversary proceeding.· I do also | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. | |\n| ·3· · · · have an appearance on behalf of Mei Guo and | ·3· ·EXAMINATION | |\n| ·4· · · · HKI USA in this adversary proceeding. | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· This is Patricia | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Good morning, Mr. Kwok.· How are you? | |\n| ·6· · · · Bergamasco from Zeisler & Zeisler, representing | ·6· · · · A.· ·I'm very well, Counsel.· How are you this | |\n| ·7· · · · Mei Guo and HK International USA in the | ·7· ·morning? | |\n| ·8· · · · adversary proceeding. | ·8· · · · Q.· ·I'm well.· Thank you for asking. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you. | ·9· · · · · · ·Before we start, I'm going to read through | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·Will the court reporter please swear in | 10· ·the terms that counsel has agreed to with regard to | |\n| 11· · · · the Interpreter and the witness. | 11· ·this remote deposition today.· There are multiple, | |\n| 12· ·J I N G Y I· ·W A N G, | 12· ·so I think what I will do, I will pause after each | |\n| 13· · · · · having been first duly sworn by a Notary | 13· ·one so that the Interpreter has an opportunity to | |\n| 14· · · · · Public within and for the State of New York, | 14· ·just translate it.· I'm not looking for an answer, | |\n| 15· · · · · translated the questions from | 15· ·I'm just more just stating what they are.· But I | |\n| 16· · · · · English to Mandarin and the answers | 16· ·think that will be easier. | |\n| 17· · · · · from Mandarin to English under oath as | 17· · · · · · ·Trustee has agreed to take the debtor's | |\n| 18· · · · · follows: | 18· ·deposition remotely today based on the following | |\n| 19· · Ho Wan Kwok, having been called as a witness, having been | 19· ·agreements agreed to by debtor's counsel, on his | |\n| 20· ·first duly sworn (through an Interpreter),· was examined and | 20· ·behalf:· First, HK USA and Ms. Mei Guo no longer | |\n| | 21· ·intend to call the debtor to offer testimony on | |\n| 21· ·testified as follows: | 22· ·their behalf and have removed him from their list of | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. | | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· And just a note from the | 23· ·intended hearing witnesses. | |\n| 24· · · · Interpreter.· The Interpreter has received the | 24· · · · · · ·The taking of this deposition remotely is | |\n| 25· · · · link, and the realtime is now working. | 25· ·based on the understanding that other than questions | |\n| | | |\n| Page 8 | | Page 9 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·regarding Mr. Kwok's name, his address, and | ·2· ·record at 10:37 a.m. | |\n| ·3· ·identifying who his family members are, it is the | ·3· · · · (Recess.) | |\n| ·4· ·debtor's intention to assert his Fifth Amendment | ·4· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| ·5· ·rights to any questions posed at this deposition. | ·5· ·record at 10:45 a.m. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to assert -- to | ·6· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will keep going with the | |\n| ·7· ·not -- excuse me.· Let me strike that. | ·7· ·stipulations.· Sorry for the technical issue. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·If the debtor attempts to not assert his | ·8· · · · The debtor must be physically within the | |\n| ·9· ·Fifth Amendment rights and, instead, answer the | ·9· ·jurisdiction of the court, meaning within | |\n| 10· ·questions, this is a breach of the agreement to | 10· ·100 miles of the court, when the deposition is | |\n| 11· ·conduct his deposition remotely, and his deposition | 11· ·taken.· No one other than the debtor's | |\n| 12· ·will immediately be taken in person.· Both sides are | 12· ·interpreter and his attorney from | |\n| 13· ·clear that deciding to not answer a question by | 13· ·Zeisler & Zeisler may be in the room with the | |\n| 14· ·asserting his Fifth Amendment rights is not an | 14· ·debtor when he is deposed.· The debtor may not | |\n| 15· ·option for the debtor to consider at this time. | 15· ·communicate with anyone other than his counsel | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·The remote deposition is being offered in | 16· ·from Zeisler & Zeisler when the deposition is | |\n| 17· ·good faith because the debtor requested it, not | 17· ·on the record. | |\n| 18· ·because of need or the trustee's acknowledgment that | 18· · · · The debtor's interpreter is not to | |\n| 19· ·a remote deposition of the debtor is appropriate | 19· ·communicate with the debtor while we are on the | |\n| 20· ·here or going forward.· And any attempt to | 20· ·record.· The only interpreter is the official | |\n| 21· ·substantively answer and not assert his Fifth | 21· ·one, Ms. Jingyi Wang.· The debtor's interpreter | |\n| 22· ·Amendment rights is a breach of this agreement. | 22· ·is there to help the debtor communicate with | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·I'm sorry.· We're going to need to go off | 23· ·Zeisler & Zeisler on breaks and to advise | |\n| 24· ·the record.· My computer just crashed.· I apologize. | 24· ·Zeisler & Zeisler regarding the translation | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | 25· ·while the deposition is ongoing.· The debtor's | |\n\n38\n\n\n\n| Page 10 | | Page 11 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·interpreter is not to speak on the record. | ·2· · · · to a client on the record without taking a | |\n| ·3· · · · The debtor is to have access to no devices | ·3· · · · break to determine if a break is necessary, it | |\n| ·4· ·that can send or receive messages while the | ·4· · · · may need to be through Ms. Wilkinson, but I'm | |\n| ·5· ·deposition is on the record.· The debtor is not | ·5· · · · not anticipating any issues. | |\n| ·6· ·to send or read messages during the deposition | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine. | |\n| ·7· ·while it is on the record. | ·7· · · · · · ·And Ms. Bergamasco, you remain in | |\n| ·8· · · · Are we -- all counsel, are we all still in | ·8· · · · agreement to these terms? | |\n| ·9· ·agreement as to these stipulated agreements? | ·9· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Can you repeat that? | |\n| 10· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Yes.· That's correct.· The | 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just confirming that your firm | |\n| 11· ·only qualification I would say is, to the | 11· · · · remains in agreement to the terms that have | |\n| | | |\n| 12· ·extent I need to say something on the record | 12· · · · been agreed upon that I have just set forth. | |\n| 13· ·that requires the debtor to understand | 13· · · · · · ·MS. BERGAMASCO:· Yes. | |\n| 14· ·Ms. Wilkinson -- to the extent I need to | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Great. | |\n| 15· ·communicate with the debtor, it will be through | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· ·Ms. Wilkinson. | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been extremely patient. | |\n| 17· · · · MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, while we're on the | 17· ·Thank you for that. | |\n| 18· ·record, I'd ask that you use Ms. Wang to speak | 18· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, can I ask you to state your name | |\n| 19· ·to the debtor.· To extent you need to speak to | 19· ·and your residence for the record? | |\n| 20· ·him about privilege, let's go off the record, | 20· · · · A.· ·My Chinese name is Kwok Ho Wan.· My | |\n| 21· ·in which case, you can use Ms. Wilkinson | 21· ·address is on the Fifth Avenue in New York.· It's | |\n| 22· ·however you need to, to speak to him. | 22· ·the Sherry-Netherlands, but I can't remember the | |\n| 23· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· Sure.· I think that's | 23· ·exact number.· It's either 768 or 769. | |\n| 24· ·generally correct.· To the extent that, like in | 24· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, are you in that address | |\n| 25· ·a typical setting, where I would say something | 25· ·right now? | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 12 | | Page 13 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. | ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay.· That's fine. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I know you've been | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is anyone in the room with you | |\n| ·4· ·deposed before, but I just want to go over some | ·4· ·today? | |\n| ·5· ·basic ground rules just so we are on the same page; | ·5· · · · A.· ·My attorney and the Interpreter, Una. | |\n| ·6· ·is that okay? | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Is your attorney Mr. Romney? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·Okay. | ·7· · · · A.· ·I only know him by Aaron.· I'm not sure | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you understand that you're | ·8· ·about his other name. | |\n| ·9· ·testifying under oath today? | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, that is you, | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | 10· · · · correct? | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·And by that, all your -- any testimony you | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yes, it is me, Avi.· Aaron | |\n| 12· ·offer must be truthful. | 12· · · · Romney. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·Do you understand that? | 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·Yes, I understand. | 14· · · · Q.· ·And your interpreter is Una Wilkinson, | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Is there any reason that you cannot offer | 15· ·correct? | |\n| 16· ·truthful testimony today? | 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | 17· · · · Q.· ·Is there anyone else in the room with you | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, can we have an agreement that if | 18· ·today? | |\n| 19· ·any of my questions are not clear to you, you will | 19· · · · A.· ·No. | |\n| | | |\n| 20· ·ask me -- you will let me know and ask me to | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is the name of your | |\n| 21· ·clarify? | 21· ·daughter? | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Thank you very much. | 22· · · · A.· ·Kwok Mei. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, if you don't tell me that | 23· · · · Q.· ·And what is the name of your son? | |\n| 24· ·something is unclear, could we have an agreement
25· ·that I can assume that you understand my question? | 24· · · · A.· ·Kwok Qiang.
25· · · · Q.· ·Does he sometimes also go by the name | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 14 | | Page 15 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·Mileson Kwok? | ·2· · · · A.· ·Okay. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the Lady May | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·And what is name of your wife? | ·4· ·was purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong | |\n| | | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·Yu Chang Chu. | ·5· ·International Funds Investments Limited, which I | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, did you do anything to prepare | ·6· ·will also refer to as \"HK International,\" you have | |\n| ·7· ·for your deposition today? | ·7· ·been the beneficial owner of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·No. | ·8· · · · A.· ·I assert the Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Did you meet with counsel to prepare for | ·9· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| 10· ·your deposition today? | 10· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·No. | 11· ·you, the debtor, have been the equitable owner of | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Did you review any documents in | 12· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 13· ·preparation for your deposition today? | 13· · · · A.· ·I plead the Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·No. | 14· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Did you review anything to refresh your | 15· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by HK International, | |\n| 16· ·recollection for your deposition today? | 16· ·you have controlled the Lady May? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·No. | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·At this point, Mr. Kwok, we're going to | 18· · · · Q.· ·At all times since the Lady May was | |\n| 19· ·shift to the substantive part of your deposition to | 19· ·purchased on February 23, 2015, by Hong Kong | |\n| 20· ·which I understand it is your intention to plead the | 20· ·International, you have been the legal owner of the | |\n| 21· ·Fifth. | 21· ·Lady May? | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·I ask that you just let me finish asking | 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, what is the | |\n| | | |\n| 23· ·my question and allow the translator to fully | 23· · · · question?· Is that the question whether I am? | |\n| 24· ·translate it before you make any such assertion, | 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes. | |\n| 25· ·okay? | 25 | |\n| | | |\n| Page 16 | | Page 17 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·2· ·establishment of HK International, you have | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Is my statement correct? | ·3· ·controlled HK International, correct? | |\n| | | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need Mei Guo's | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| ·6· ·permission to board the Lady May, correct? | ·6· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· ·legal owner, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· ·permission to use the Lady May, correct? | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 10· ·establishment of HK International, it has been -- it | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you do not need to ask Mei Guo's | 11· ·has been your alter ego, correct? | |\n| 12· ·permission to direct the crew of the Lady May to | 12· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Counsel, could you | |\n| 13· ·navigate the Lady May from location to location, | 13· · · · please explain \"alter ego\"? | |\n| | | |\n| 14· ·correct? | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just translate the term.· It's | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· · · · a legal term. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | 16· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I've got the legal term. | |\n| 17· ·establishment of Hong Kong International Funds | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 18· ·Investment Limited, you have been its beneficial | 18· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· The Fifth. | |\n| 19· ·owner, correct? | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an entity | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | 21· ·called \"HK International Funds Investment USA | |\n| 22· ·establishment of HK International, you have been its | 22· ·Limited,\" or I may refer to it as \"HK USA,\" correct? | |\n| | | |\n| 23· ·equitable owner, correct? | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the
25· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its | |\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 18 | | Page 19 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·beneficial owner, correct? | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Natasha Qu to | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | ·4· ·execute a declaration of trust, governing your | |\n| ·5· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its equitable | ·5· ·shares in Hong Kong International on or about | |\n| ·6· ·owner, correct? | ·6· ·October 10, 2014, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· At this point, I'd ask the | |\n| ·9· ·establishment of HK USA, you have controlled it, | ·9· · · · court reporter to mark as Kwok PJR Deposition | |\n| 10· ·correct? | 10· · · · Exhibit 1, a copy of the declaration of trust | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· · · · made on the 10th day of October 2014, as well | |\n| | | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | 12· · · · as the certified translation we have of it. | |\n| 13· ·establishment of HK USA, you have been its legal | 13· · · · · · ·I'll ask my colleague, Mr. Farmer, to post | |\n| 14· ·owner, correct? | 14· · · · that if possible. | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 1 was received and | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times since the | 16· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| 17· ·establishment of HK USA, it has been your alter ego, | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· ·correct? | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, take a minute to review the | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· ·Exhibit 1. | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know an individual named | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, may be the formatting of | |\n| 21· ·Natasha Qu, correct? | 21· · · · the screen.· I don't see Bates numbers on | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· · · · there. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer of HK International | 23· · · · · · ·Have these been produced in connection | |\n| 24· ·to Natasha Qu was done to hide your assets from your | 24· · · · with the PJR proceeding? | |\n| 25· ·creditors, correct? | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· There is no Bates number.· We | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 20 | | Page 21 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · have offered to produce it to you. | ·2· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm sorry.· I'm not sure what | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. | |\n| ·4· · · · you're referring to. | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm done reading it. | ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased on | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, is this a true and correct copy | ·7· ·your behalf, correct? | |\n| ·8· ·of the Declaration of Trust you entered into with | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· ·Natasha Kwok [sic] on October 10 -- Natasha Qu, on | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was purchased for | |\n| 10· ·October 10, 2014, relating to your shares of Hong | 10· ·you to control and beneficially own, correct? | |\n| 11· ·Kong International? | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form of the | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all of the funds used to | |\n| 13· · · · question. | 13· ·purchase the Lady May were funds you owned and | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· ·controlled, correct? | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the signed copy of Exhibit 1, | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you funded the purchase of the | |\n| 17· ·the Declaration of Trust, dated October 10, 2014, | 17· ·Lady May on February 23, 2015, with funds you | |\n| 18· ·was given to your counsel Stevenson, Wong & Co. for | 18· ·exclusively controlled to an entity named Bravo | |\n| 19· ·them to retain on your behalf, correct? | 19· ·Luck, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the terms of the | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Bravo Luck is an entity that you | |\n| 22· ·Declaration of Trust, even after Hong Kong | 22· ·at all times have had exclusive control over, | |\n| 23· ·International was transferred by you to Natasha Qu, | 23· ·correct? | |\n| 24· ·you still retained control and beneficial ownership | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· ·of Hong Kong International and its assets, including | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times, you have had | |\n\n38\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 22 | | Page 23 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·exclusive control over the assets of Bravo Luck, | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Ms. Qu to transfer | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· ·her purported ownership in Hong Kong International | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the funds used to | ·5· ·to Mei Guo for the consideration of one Hong Kong | |\n| ·6· ·purchase the Lady May belonged to your son, Mileson | ·6· ·dollar on June 27, 2017, correct? | |\n| ·7· ·Kwok, correct? | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had the Lady May purchased | ·9· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of | |\n| 10· ·by Hong Kong International for your own use, | 10· ·HK International to Mei Guo for the consideration of | |\n| 11· ·correct? | 11· ·one Hong Kong dollar in an attempt to obscure your | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·International to purchase the Lady May with your own | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed the transfer on | |\n| 15· ·assets to attempt to obscure your ownership of the | 15· ·June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK | |\n| 16· ·Lady May, correct? | 16· ·International to Mei Guo for the consideration of | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·one Hong Kong dollar to try to shield the Lady May | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, when I refer to Bravo Luck, | 18· ·from your creditors, correct? | |\n| 19· ·you understand I'm referring to Bravo Luck Limited, | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·correct? | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed Hong Kong | 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| 23· ·International to purchase the Lady May with funds | 23· ·in control of and the beneficial owner | |\n| 24· ·you owned to shield the Lady May from your | 24· ·of HK International, correct? | |\n| 25· ·creditors, correct? | 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 24 | | Page 25 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Let me just break that up, because there | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | |\n| ·5· ·was an objection. | ·5· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·The transfer on June 27, 2017, of Ms. Qu's | ·6· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | |\n| ·7· ·purported ownership of HK International to Mei Guo | ·7· ·the beneficial owner of the Lady May both before and | |\n| ·8· ·did not change the fact that you remained in control | ·8· ·after the transfer, correct? | |\n| ·9· ·of HK International following that transfer, | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· ·correct? | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you -- and by that, I mean | |\n| 13· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | 13· ·yourself or through your agents -- directed the | |\n| 14· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | 14· ·formation of HK International Funds Investments USA | |\n| 15· ·the beneficial owner of Hong Kong International | 15· ·Limited on September 11, 2018, correct? | |\n| 16· ·after that transfer, correct? | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· ·HK USA in an attempt to obscure your ownership of | |\n| 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 19· ·the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the transfer on June 27, 2017, | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 21· ·of Ms. Qu's purported ownership of HK International | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·to Mei Guo did not change the fact that you remained | 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· ·in control of the Lady May both before and after the | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was transferred to | |\n| 24· ·transfer, correct? | 24· ·HK USA at your direction in an attempt to shield it | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 25· ·from your creditor, correct? | |\n\n\n\n| Page 26 | | Page 27 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring New York Limited, | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have used the entities | ·3· ·which I've been referring to as \"Golden Spring,\" | |\n| ·4· ·Golden Spring and Lamp Capital to pay the expenses | ·4· ·were paid with funds you control, correct? | |\n| ·5· ·of the Lady May, correct? | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid with funds | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·8· ·you owned, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the owner of | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· ·Golden Spring, correct? | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 13· ·Lady May paid by Golden Spring were paid at your | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets owned by Golden | 14· ·direction, correct? | |\n| 15· ·Spring belong to you, correct? | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·Golden Spring for the Lady May were paid for with | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 18· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Golden Springs | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· ·Limited, correct? | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have control of all assets | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the equitable owner of | |\n| 23· ·of Golden Spring, correct? | 23· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | |\n| Page 28 | | Page 29 |\n| | | |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the expenses paid by | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the equitable owner of | ·4· ·Lamp Capital related to the Lady May were paid with | |\n| ·5· ·Golden Spring, correct? | ·5· ·assets belonging to Mileson Kwok? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·Golden Spring, correct? | ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, none of the assets of | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | 10· ·Lamp Capital belong to Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Mileson Kwok, | |\n| 11· ·Lamp Capital, correct? | 11· ·correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· ·assets you controlled, correct? | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 16· ·the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid with | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no | |\n| 19· ·assets that you owned, correct? | 19· ·control over the assets of Lamp Capital, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok has no | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 22· ·control over the assets of Golden Spring, correct? | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all expenses related to the | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 24· ·Lady May paid by Lamp Capital LLC were paid at your | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· ·direction, correct? | 25 | |\n\nof 38\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| | Page 30 | | Page 31 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Yvette Wang to take | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| ·4· ·actions on your behalf related to the Lady May and | | ·4· ·that relate to the Lady May are taken at your | |\n| ·5· ·HK USA and HK International, correct? | | ·5· ·direction, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·8· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you asked Max Krasner to take | | ·9· ·correct? | |\n| 10· ·actions related to the Lady May, HK International, | | 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 11· ·and HK USA on your behalf, correct? | | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. | | 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 14· ·relating to HK International are taken at your | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | | 15· ·direction, correct? | |\n| | | | |\n| 16· ·relating to the Lady May are taken at your | | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· ·direction, correct? | | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 18· ·relating to HK USA are taken at your direction, | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 19· ·correct? | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· ·related to the Lady May are taken on your behalf, | | 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· ·correct? | | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 24· ·relating to HK International are taken on your | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 25· ·behalf, correct? | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 32 | | Page 33 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Yvette Wang | | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | |\n| ·6· ·relating to HK USA are taken on your behalf, | | ·6· ·as related to HK USA are taken on your behalf, | |\n| ·7· ·correct? | | ·7· ·correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Yvette Wang is currently your | |\n| 12· ·as related to HK International are taken at your | | 12· ·employee, correct? | |\n| 13· ·direction, correct? | | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection to form. | | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang has been your employee | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 15· ·since at least 2015 and up through the present, | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 16· ·correct? | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· ·as related to HK USA are taken at your direction, | | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang, since at least 2015 | |\n| 19· ·correct? | | 19· ·through the present, has acted as your agent, | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 20· ·correct? | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | | |\n| 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Wang currently acts as your | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Max Krasner | | 23· ·agent, correct? | |\n| 24· ·as related to HK International are taken on your
25· ·behalf, correct? | | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know the current location of | |\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 34 | | Page 35 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·Ms. Wang, correct? | ·2· ·home address? | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at what location does Ms. Wang | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current | |\n| ·5· ·currently reside? | ·5· ·phone number? | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner is currently your | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch | |\n| ·8· ·employee, correct? | ·8· ·with Ms. Yvette Wang, correct? | |\n| | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times Mr. Krasner has had | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared that | |\n| 11· ·any involvement with the Lady May, he has been your | 11· ·information with the trustee, correct? | |\n| 12· ·employee, correct? | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the Interpreter ask the | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at all times that you've had | 14· · · · witness if he needs a break. | |\n| 15· ·involvement with Mr. Krasner, he has acted as your | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· ·agent, correct? | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know how to get in touch | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·with Mr. Krasner, correct? | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner currently acts as | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, could you not hear what | |\n| 19· ·your agent, correct? | 19· · · · I just placed on the record. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I did not hear you, Aaron. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have Mr. Krasner's current | 21· · · · Sorry. | |\n| 22· ·contact information, including his address and his | 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Oh, I'm sorry.· I had asked | |\n| 23· ·phone number, correct? | 23· · · · if the Interpreter could ask the witness if he | |\n| 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 24· · · · needs a break. | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what is Mr. Krasner's current | 25· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· Oh, okay. | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 36 | | Page 37 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·(Complies.) | ·2· · · · record at 11:47 a.m. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· It's quite tiring. I | ·3· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| ·4· · · · need a break. | ·4· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Aaron, I have like two | ·5· · · · record at 12:05 p.m. | |\n| ·6· · · · more questions just to finish this.· Could we | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · just do that, and then we'll take a break? | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate authority with | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. | ·8· ·respect to the movements of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know the contact | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have ultimate control over | |\n| 11· ·information, including address and phone number, of | 11· ·where the crew of the Lady May sails the yacht, | |\n| 12· ·Mr. Krasner currently, correct? | 12· ·correct? | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have not shared this | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the | |\n| 15· ·information with the trustee, correct? | 15· ·Lady May to be sailed from New York to Florida in | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 16· ·2020, correct? | |\n| | | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, if you want to take a | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · break now, that's fine.· How long would you | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from | |\n| 19· · · · like? | 19· ·New York to Florida in the fall of 2020 because you | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· How long do you want?· Five, | 20· ·directed that it be done so, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · ten minutes? | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ten minutes. | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave instructions for the | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Ten minutes? | 23· ·Lady May to be sailed from Florida to the Bahamas in | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure.
25· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | 24· ·the fall of 2020, correct?
25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 38 | | Page 39 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was sailed from | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·Florida to the Bahamas in the fall of 2020 because | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when you directed the Lady May | |\n| ·4· ·you instructed the crew for it to do so, correct? | ·4· ·to sail to Europe in 2021, you and your daughter, | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·5· ·Mei Guo, were aware that doing so would violate | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you instructed the Lady May to | ·6· ·Ostrager's order and cause you to incur contempt | |\n| ·7· ·be sailed to Europe in 2021, correct? | ·7· ·fees, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason the Lady May was | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·sailed to Europe in 2021 was because you gave | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· ·instructions for that to happen, correct? | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May was returned to | |\n| | | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 12· ·Connecticut waters in 2022 only because you directed | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· ·that to happen, correct? | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you gave directions for the | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with an | |\n| 16· ·Lady May to be sailed to Europe to keep the Lady May | 16· ·individual named William Je? | |\n| 17· ·out of the hands of your creditors, correct? | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, William Je is a close family | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May remained in Europe | 19· ·friend, correct? | |\n| 20· ·until you authorized it to return to the | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·United States, correct? | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is referred to by your | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·daughter as \"Uncle William,\" correct? | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the only person who had | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· ·the authority to order the Lady May to return to the | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts as an agent, | |\n| 25· ·United States, correct? | 25· ·correct? | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 40 | | Page 41 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·control, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je is currently acting as | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·4· ·your agent in your business dealings, correct? | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in April of 2022, Mr. Je -- any | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any entities purportedly under | |\n| ·7· ·actions Mr. Je took in relation to the Lady May were | ·7· ·the control of William Je are actually entities | |\n| ·8· ·as your agent, correct? | ·8· ·under your control, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions Mr. Je takes in | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·connection with business dealings are taken at your | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· ·direction, correct? | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement dated | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 13· ·April 19, 2022, between Himalaya International | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· ·Financial Group Limited as lender and HK USA as | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· ·borrower was arranged at your request, correct? | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, with regard to any business | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n| 17· ·dealings involving you and Mr. Je, Mr. Je is under | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control Himalaya | |\n| 18· ·your control, correct? | 18· ·International Financial Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I want to speak with my | |\n| 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Je acts at your direction to | 20· · · · attorney now. | |\n| 21· ·generate funds for you through the use of the | 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 22· ·Himalaya Farms, correct? | 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Take five. | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets purportedly under the
25· ·control of William Je are actually assets under your | 24· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the
25· · · · record at 12:17 p.m. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 42 | | Page 43 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | ·2· ·Financial Group Limited will be made to entities | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | ·3· ·that you control, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · record at 12:24 p.m. | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·5· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the beneficial owner of | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· ·Himalaya International Financial Group Limited, | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any payment of interest by | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | ·8· ·HK USA on account of the purported \\$37 million loan | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· ·from Himalaya International Financial Group Limited | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets of Himalaya | 10· ·will be paid to an entity that you control, correct? | |\n| 11· ·International Financial Group Limited are under your | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 12· ·control, correct? | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the \\$37 million of funds | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the February 7, 2022, | |\n| | | |\n| 15· ·Himalaya International Financial Group loaned to | 15· ·evidentiary hearing before Justice Ostrager of the | |\n| 16· ·HK USA were funds that you owned and controlled, | 16· ·Supreme Court of the State of New York, your | |\n| 17· ·correct? | 17· ·interest was for the Court to find HK USA to be the | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· ·beneficial owner and to have control of the | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you control the \\$37 million that | 19· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| 20· ·was put in escrow by HK USA in connection with this | 20· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question. | |\n| 21· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? | 21· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· I didn't catch.· Someone | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· · · · mentioned something after the question. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any repayment by HK USA of the | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we have the question | |\n| 24· ·principal \\$37 million on account of the purported | 24· · · · read back. | |\n| 25· ·\\$37 million loan from Himalaya International | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Could we get it translated, and | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 44
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 45 |\n| ·2· · · · then it can be read back. | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· (Complies.) | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could we hear the question | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed your counsel for | |\n| ·5· · · · read back before? | ·5· ·the February 7, 2022, evidentiary hearing to enter | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | ·6· ·into a common interest agreement with HK USA and | |\n| ·7· · · · Reporter.) | ·7· ·Mei Guo in connection with that hearing, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to direct the | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · witness not to answer based on the | |\n| 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 10· · · · attorney-client privilege. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Romney, you know that is | |\n| 12· ·appeared at the February 7, 2022, evidentiary | 12· · · · pre-petition, and thus, any common interest | |\n| 13· ·hearing, correct? | 13· · · · belongs to the trustee, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Can the reporter read the | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | 15· · · · question, please -- read back the question. | |\n| 16· ·helped present your defense at the February 7, 2022, | 16· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| 17· ·hearing, correct? | 17· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer. | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, counsel for HK USA and Mei Guo | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA and Mei Guo shared | |\n| 22· ·worked with your counsel at the February 7, 2022, | 22· ·identical interests to you in the court finding | |\n| 23· ·hearing to prepare for and present your case, | 23· ·HK USA was the beneficial owner and had control over | |\n| 24· ·correct? | 24· ·the Lady May for the February 7, 2022, evidentiary | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 25· ·hearing before Justice Ostrager, correct? | |\n\nof 38\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 46 | | | Page 47 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Golden Spring | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, schedules you had filed in | | ·5· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? | |\n| ·6· ·connection with your Chapter 11 filing should have | | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· ·included your beneficial ownership of the Lady May | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held by Lamp Capital | |\n| ·8· ·as an asset of your estate, correct? | | ·8· ·are really assets of your estate, correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| | | | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 11· ·your son Mileson Kwok are really assets of your | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the schedules you filed in | | 12· ·estate, correct? | |\n| 13· ·connection with the Chapter 11 filing should have | | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·included your beneficial ownership of HK USA as an | | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 15· ·asset of the estate, correct? | | 15· ·your daughter Mei Guo are really assets of your | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 16· ·estate, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any assets of Golden Spring and | | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· ·Lamp Capital that have been used to pay the | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | |\n| 21· ·Lady May's expenses, including any legal fees | | 21· ·your wife Hing Chi Ngok are actually assets of your | |\n| 22· ·related to it, should have been declared as assets | | 22· ·estate, correct? | |\n| 23· ·of the estate on your schedules for your Chapter 11 | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 24· ·filing, correct? | | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 25 | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| Page 48 | | | Page 49 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have directed that numerous | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these | |\n| ·4· ·offshore companies, whether located in the BVI, Hong | | ·4· ·offshore entities set up and placed assets in them | |\n| ·5· ·Kong, and elsewhere, be set up for purposes of | | ·5· ·is to attempt to hide your assets from your | |\n| ·6· ·holding your assets, correct? | | ·6· ·creditors, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have had these offshore | | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your | |\n| ·9· ·companies set up in the name of your children, your | | ·9· ·daughter Mei Guo is a member, director, or principal | |\n| 10· ·wife, and your business associates, correct? | | 10· ·are actually beneficially owned and controlled by | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 11· ·you, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, regardless of whether any of | | 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | |\n| 13· ·these entities are listed in the name of your wife, | | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·your daughter, your son, Ms. Wang, Mr. Krasner, or | | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· ·any of your other business associates, in fact, you | | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA, HK International, | |\n| 16· ·own and control each of these offshore entities, | | 16· ·Eastern Profit Corporation Limited, Whitecroft Shore | |\n| 17· ·correct? | | 17· ·Limited, Anton Development Limited, Anton | |\n| 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 18· ·Development USA Limited LLC, GM27 LLC, Loss Draft | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 19· ·LLC, Gypsy May Productions LLC, Gypsy May Food | |\n| 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 20· ·Service LLC, Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC, Hudson | |\n| | | | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had these | | 21· ·Diamond New York LLC, Allied Capital Global Limited, | |\n| 22· ·offshore entities set up was to obscure your | | 22· ·Creative Apex Investment Limited, Crystal Breeze | |\n| 23· ·ownership of the assets that they held, correct? | | 23· ·Investments Limited, Elite Well Global Limited, | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 24· ·Globalist International Limited, Infinite Increased
25· ·Limited, Infinium Developments Limited, Noble Fame | |\n\n\n\n| Page 50 | | Page 51 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·Global Limited, Rosy Acme Ventures Limited, Leading | ·2· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, | |\n| ·3· ·Shine New York Limited, and Leading Shine Limited | ·3· ·were provided by Mei Guo and any entity she owns or | |\n| ·4· ·are all assets held in the name of your daughter but | ·4· ·controls? | |\n| ·5· ·that you actually own and control, correct? | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I apologize.· Could we have | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·6· · · · that one read back as well.· I'm sorry. | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·8· · · · Reporter.) | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· ·Mei Guo were purchased with funds exclusively owned | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·and controlled by you, correct? | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could the reporter read that | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | |\n| 13· · · · back before the witness answers. | 13· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(The last question was read back by the | 14· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, | |\n| 15· · · · Reporter.) | 15· ·were provided by any family members of yours | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 16· ·residing in China, correct? | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· ·Mei Guo are exclusively owned and controlled by you, | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· ·correct? | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has no source of income | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 21· ·other than from entities that you own and control, | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·correct? | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 23· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | 25 | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 52 | | Page 53 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·2· ·even after being transferred to Mileson Kwok, | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mei Guo receives from | ·3· ·correct? | |\n| ·4· ·any entity you own and control are gifts from you to | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·5· ·her, correct? | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds Mileson Kwok receives | |\n| ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·8· ·from any entity you own and control are gifts from | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mei Guo and any | ·9· ·you, correct? | |\n| 10· ·entities in her name received from any entity you | 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 11· ·own and control remain funds under your control even | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· ·after being transferred to Ms. Guo, correct? | 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between 2015 and today, no funds | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mei Guo has never been the CEO | 14· ·used to pay any expenses related to you, including | |\n| 15· ·of Pangu Plaza, correct? | 15· ·but not limited to living costs and legal expenses, | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 16· ·were provided by Mileson Kwok and any entity he owns | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·and controls? | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mileson Kwok has no source of | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·income other from entities -- other than from | 20· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21· ·entities that you own and control, correct? | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all entities for which your son | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·Mileson Kwok is named as a member, director or | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any funds that Mileson Kwok and | 23· ·principal are actually beneficially owned and | |\n| 24· ·any entities in his name received from any entity
25· ·you own and control remain funds under your control | 24· ·controlled by you, correct?
25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| | Page 54 | | Page 55 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·2· ·your son Mileson Kwok are, in fact, owned and | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·3· ·controlled by you, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Golden Spring New York Limited, | | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to form. | |\n| ·5· ·Lamp Capital LLC, Bravo Luck Limited, Infinity | | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·Treasury Management, Inc., Saraca Media Group, Inc., | | ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·7· ·K Legacy Limited, Well Origin Limited, ACA Hong Kong | | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this includes the residence at | |\n| ·8· ·Investment Holdings Group Limited, and | | ·8· ·5 Princess Gate, London, correct? | |\n| ·9· ·Powerwell Flowable Limited are all entities held in | | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·the name of your son Miles Kwok, but, in fact, are | | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control your son | |\n| 11· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | | 11· ·Mileson Kwok's collection of cars, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, we're getting pretty far | |\n| 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 14· · · · afield of the issues in this adversary | |\n| 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the entity known as Kingdom Rich | | 15· · · · proceeding.· I've been giving quite a bit of | |\n| 16· ·Limited is owned and controlled by you, not your | | 16· · · · leeway, but I am going to have to start | |\n| 17· ·son, correct? | | 17· · · · directing the witness not to answer, and we'll | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 18· · · · move for a protective order if we have to. | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | | 19· · · · · · ·I don't believe there's any allegations | |\n| 20· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | | 20· · · · concerning cars in the counterclaims that we're | |\n| 21· ·owned and controlled by you, correct? | | 21· · · · here discussing today. | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree, I think.· But I | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 23· · · · have a couple of wrap-up questions right here, | |\n| 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 24· · · · and then I think we'll -- my next set of | |\n| 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all assets held in the name of | | 25· · · · questions, I think you'll see -- I don't think | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 56 | | Page 57 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · there will be any dispute between us as to | | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · their relevance. | | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were Hong Kong | |\n| ·6· ·your son Mileson Kwok are owned or controlled by any | | ·6· ·International's sole shareholder and director up to | |\n| ·7· ·of your -- his family members other than you, | | ·7· ·and through October 10, 2014, correct? | |\n| ·8· ·correct? | | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in October 2014, Natasha Qu, | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 10· ·also known as Qu Guo Jiao was your financial | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 11· ·manager, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, no assets held in the name of | | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· ·your son Mileson Kwok were purchased with funds | | 13· · · · Q.· ·And Ms. Qu handled your financial affairs | |\n| 14· ·owned or controlled by any of its family members | | 14· ·at that time, correct? | |\n| 15· ·other than you, correct? | | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time Ms. Qu was your | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 17· ·employee and acted as your agent on all matters | |\n| 18· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 18· ·relating to your finances, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on October 3, 2006, you | | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| | | | |\n| 20· ·incorporated a Hong Kong entity named Hong Kong | | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·International Funds Limited, which we've been | | 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· ·referring to as HK International, correct? | | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Declaration of Trust that | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 23· ·was entered into between you and Ms. Qu, which has | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at that time, all assets of Hong
25· ·Kong International belonged to you, correct? | | 24· ·been marked as Exhibit 1, identified Ms. Qu as the
25· ·trustee and you as the beneficiary, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok
·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
·2· ·beneficiary under the agreement, correct?
·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
·4· ·BY MR. LUFT:
·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that Declaration of Trust which
·5· ·BY MR. LUFT:
·6· ·has been marked as Exhibit 1, which I'll refer to as
·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the HK International Declaration
·7· ·\"HK International Declaration of Trust,\" was entered
·7· ·of Trust that you entered into with Ms. Qu provides
·8· ·into with Ms. Qu -- sorry -- that was entered into
·8· ·that Ms. Qu would hold the shares in Hong Kong
·9· ·with Ms. Qu, authorized and requested Ms. Qu to hold
·9· ·International that you transferred to her as nominee
10· ·your main shares in Hong Kong International,
10· ·and in trust for you, correct?
11· ·correct?
11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to strike that
12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the HK International
13· · · · question, because I don't think it came across
13· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with
14· · · · clearly.
14· ·Ms. Qu, Ms. Qu was to exercise the rights in
15· ·BY MR. LUFT:
15· ·connection with the HK International shares that you
16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, pursuant to the Hong Kong
16· ·transferred to her solely at your direction,
17· ·International Declaration of Trust you entered into
17· ·correct?
18· ·with Ms. Qu, you authorized and requested Ms. Qu to
18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
19· ·hold in your name shares in Hong Kong International,
19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
20· ·correct?
20· ·BY MR. LUFT:
21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, even after October 10, 2014, you
22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Hong Kong International
22· ·continued to beneficially own HK International
23· ·Declaration of Trust that you entered into with
23· ·pursuant to the undisclosed HK International
24· ·Ms. Qu provides that the shares you transferred to
24· ·Declaration of Trust, correct?
25· ·Ms. Qu do not belong to Ms. Qu, but to you, as the
25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.· Also,
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok
·2· · · · asked and answered.
·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·3· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Asked and answered.· Okay.
·3· ·BY MR. LUFT:
·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in February 2015, you
·5· ·BY MR. LUFT:
·5· ·exclusively beneficially owned and controlled
·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, after October 10, 2014, you
·6· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct?
·7· ·continued to control HK International, correct?
·7· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection.
·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection.· Asked and
·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
·9· · · · answered.
·9· ·BY MR. LUFT:
10· · · · A.· ·I'm quite confused.· You're asking the
10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, today you still beneficially own
11· ·same questions.· Every time, the same questions
11· ·and control Bravo Luck Limited, correct?
12· ·again and again.
12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
13· ·BY MR. LUFT:
13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015, Bravo Luck
14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I don't believe I am.· Your
14· ·Limited transferred, at your direction, funds from a
15· ·counsel is free to raise an asked-and-answered
15· ·Bravo Luck bank account at UBS that you exclusively
16· ·objection, even though it is not an appropriate
16· ·control, correct?
17· ·objection at a deposition.· With that said, he's
17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
18· ·free to raise it, but I still will need you to
18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
19· ·answer the question.
19· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that the court
20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
20· · · · reporter mark as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 2,
21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on February 23, 2015,
21· · · · document bearing the Bates stamp UBS00137
22· ·HK International purchased the Lady May for
22· · · · through 156.
23· ·EUR 28 million from Apsley Yacht Limited at your
23· · · · · · ·Will, that's tab 190, if you could put it
24· ·direction, correct?
24· · · · up.
25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
25· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 2 was received and | | Page 58 | | Page 59 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Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·This shows the UBS wire transfer of | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? | | ·4· ·25 million for purposes of purchasing the Lady May? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could you make that larger? | | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Is that a question?· I didn't | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·6· · · · know if you were talking. | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·7· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm just setting it up.· I will | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a 2015 UBS bank | | ·8· · · · ask him a question once he can see it, Aaron. | |\n| ·9· ·statement for Bravo Luck showing funds that you | | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yeah, yeah.· That's -- I just | |\n| 10· ·beneficially owned and controlled in that account, | | 10· · · · wanted clarification.· Thank you. | |\n| 11· ·correct? | | 11· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Fine.· I didn't want to ask him | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 12· · · · the question before he could see the document. | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the funds held by -- in that | | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Yep. | |\n| 14· ·Bravo Luck account on your behalf at UBS came from | | 14· · · · · · ·Could you make that a bit bigger, please. | |\n| 15· ·Eastern Profit Corporation in the amount of | | 15· · · · · · ·Thank you. | |\n| 16· ·370 million and Hong Kong International in the | | 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 17· ·amount of 150 million, both entities that you owned | | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, first of all, if we scroll down, | |\n| 18· ·and controlled, correct? | | 18· ·do you recognize the signature on the document? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, that's your signature, correct? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask the court reporter to | | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · mark, as Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 3, a | | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a UBS wire transfer | |\n| 23· · · · document Bates-stamped UBS02746. | | 23· ·document showing the transfer of \\$25 million of | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 3 was received and | | 24· ·funds from the UBS bank account we just saw a | |\n| 25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | | 25· ·statement for in Exhibit 2 that were used for | |\n| | | | |\n| Page 64
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | Page 65 |\n| ·2· ·purchases of acquiring the Lady May for you, | | ·2· ·Sorry, Jingyi. | |\n| ·3· ·correct? | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | ·3· · · · MR. ROMNEY:· What's your over/under on | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·4· ·what you've got left for the day? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, has this Exhibit 2 been | | ·5· · · · (A discussion was held off the record.) | |\n| ·6· · · · produced to the parties in this adversary | | ·6· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| ·7· · · · proceeding? | | ·7· ·record at 1:22 p.m. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll have to get back to you on | | ·8· · · · (At 1:22 p.m. a luncheon recess was | |\n| ·9· · · · that. | | ·9· ·taken.) | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay.· Thank you. | | 10· · · · (At 2:00 p.m. the deposition resumes.) | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 11 | | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you had exclusive control over | 12 | | |\n| 13· ·the UBS bank account that we have been discussing, | 13 | | |\n| 14· ·correct? | 14 | | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15 | | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your son Mileson Kwok had no | 16 | | |\n| 17· ·involvement in any transaction relating to | 17 | | |\n| 18· ·HK International's acquisition of the Lady May, | 18 | | |\n| 19· ·correct? | 19 | | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20 | | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Aaron, it is 1:22.· Do you guys | 21 | | |\n| 22· · · · want to take a lunch break?· Do you want to | 22 | | |\n| 23· · · · keep going? | 23 | | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·I'm also conscious of the court reporter
25· · · · and the videographer -- and the translator. | 24
25 | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n| Page 66 | | Page 67 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·************************************************ | ·2· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · A F T E R N O O N· ·S E S S I O N | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· ·************************************************ | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the boat contribution under the | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | ·5· ·proposed plan was not actually a contribution to be | |\n| ·6· · · · record at 2:00 p.m. | ·6· ·made by HK USA because your estate already | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·7· ·beneficially owned and controlled the Lady May, | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Good afternoon, Mr. Kwok. | ·8· ·correct? | |\n| | | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·Good afternoon. | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with the | 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 11· ·proposed Chapter 11 plan that was submitted in your | 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12· ·Chapter 11 case, correct? | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that HK USA filed | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· ·an adversary proceeding against you claiming | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that under the plan | 14· ·ownership of the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 15· ·proposed and put forth by your counsel at | 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 16· ·Brown Rudnick, there was a reference to there being | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware that that adversary | |\n| 17· ·a quote-unquote \"boat contribution,\" correct? | 17· ·proceeding was filed by HK USA so that the Lady May | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· ·would be treated as a contribution by HK USA and | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, under the plan for the boat | 19· ·your daughter Mei Guo for purposes of justifying | |\n| 20· ·contribution, that provided for the Lady May to be | 20· ·them receiving a release under the plan, correct? | |\n| 21· ·contributed to a creditor trust, correct? | 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at the time the Chapter 11 plan | 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24· ·was proposed, including the boat contribution, you | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the plan to file the adversary | |\n| 25· ·were the beneficial owner and controlled the | 25· ·proceeding simultaneous with the boat contribution | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 68 | | Page 69 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·under the plan was a joint plan arrived at by your | ·2· · · · HK International Funds Investments (USA) | |\n| ·3· ·counsel as well as counsel for HK USA, correct? | ·3· · · · Limited, LLC to transport and deliver that | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· · · · Certain Yacht, the \"Lady May\" -- be marked as | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were represented by a man | ·5· · · · Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 4, and that it | |\n| ·6· ·named Aaron Mitchell for purposes of these | ·6· · · · be shown to the witness. | |\n| ·7· ·proceedings, correct? | ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 4 was received and | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Mitchell was simultaneously serving as | ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 10· ·counsel to HK USA and Mei Guo, correct? | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, through your counsel, you've | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 11· ·agreed to be bound by this order, correct? | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· · · · A.· ·I don't understand the English. | |\n| | | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 13· · · · Q.· ·My question is did you direct your counsel | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·For purposes of representing you for your | 14· ·to agree that you'd be bound by this stipulated | |\n| 15· ·Chapter 11 proceeding and HK USA and Mei Guo in | 15· ·order which has been marked as Exhibit 4? | |\n| 16· ·connection with the Chapter 11 proceeding in the | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· ·adversary action, you believe there to be no | 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed counsel for HK USA | |\n| 18· ·conflict of interest for Mr. Mitchell because you | 18· ·to agree to be bound by this agreement, correct? | |\n| 19· ·beneficially owned and controlled both your estate | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·and HK USA and the Lady May, correct? | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, as the beneficial owner and the | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· ·person in control of HK USA, you instructed your | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm going to ask that Kwok | 22· ·daughter to agree to be bound by this agreement, | |\n| 23· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 4 -- let me strike that. | 23· ·correct? | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·I'm going to ask that ECF299 -- which is
25· · · · the stipulated order compelling | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth.
25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you agreed for William Je to | |\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 70
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 71 |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·2· ·send \\$37 million to be posted as a bond on April 13, | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· ·2022, correct? | ·3· · · · Q.· ·For clarity, Mr. Kwok, you owned and | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· ·controlled Himalaya International Financial Group in | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between | ·5· ·April 2022, correct? | |\n| ·6· ·Mr. Je's -- let me strike that. | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Asked and answered. | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, the loan agreement between | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· ·Himalaya Capital and HK USA, both entities that you | ·8· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·9· ·own and control, was agreed to on April 19, 2022, | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the terms set out in Exhibit 4, | |\n| 10· ·correct? | 10· ·which is the stipulated order compelling | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 11· ·HK International Funds Investments to transport and | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· ·deliver the Lady May, were irrelevant to your | |\n| 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 13· ·decision to have Himalaya International Financial | |\n| | | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you directed both HK USA and | 14· ·Group loan \\$37 million to HK USA, correct? | |\n| 15· ·Himalaya Capital to enter into the \\$37 million loan | 15· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 16· ·agreement, correct? | 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, sorry.· I have been referring to | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you would have had -- sorry. | |\n| 19· ·them as \"Himalaya International Capital.\"· What I | 19· ·Let me strike that. | |\n| 20· ·meant was Himalaya International Financial Group | 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, HK USA entered into the | |\n| 21· ·Limited. | 21· ·\\$37 million loan with Himalaya International | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·Does that correction change any of your | 22· ·Financial Group Limited at your direction regardless | |\n| 23· ·answers? | 23· ·of any terms that were to be agreed to regarding the | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Objection. | 24· ·stipulated order compelling the return of the | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 25· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| | | |\n| Page 72 | | Page 73 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Could I have that question | ·3· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| ·4· · · · read back? | ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I think I had -- | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner of | |\n| ·6· · · · perhaps I had something bad for lunch.· I'm | ·6· ·all assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | |\n| ·7· · · · feeling uncomfortable and I need to use the | ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·8· · · · bathroom and it might take a while. | ·8· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, that's fine.· Take | ·9· ·over the assets of ACA Capital Group Limited, | |\n| 10· · · · care of whatever needs that you have and I will | 10· ·correct? | |\n| 11· · · · be here when you get back. | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive control over | |\n| 13· · · · record at 2:18 p.m. | 13· ·Saraca Media Group Limited, correct? | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial | |\n| 16· · · · record at 2:27 p.m. | 16· ·ownership of Saraca Media Group, correct? | |\n| | | |\n| 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 17· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have exclusive beneficial -- | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, prior to Himalaya International | 18· ·you're the exclusive beneficial owner of | |\n| 19· ·Financial Group Limited, the party -- the entity | 19· ·Saraca Media Group, correct? | |\n| 20· ·that was going to loan HK USA the \\$37 million was | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·ACA Capital Group Limited, correct? | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the reason you had \\$37 million | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·sent over to post as a bond was so that you could | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the exclusive beneficial | 23· ·stay out of jail, correct? | |\n| 24· ·owner of ACA Capital Group Limited, correct?
25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form.
25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 74 | | Page 75 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·2· · · · return to this exhibit and I'll investigate how | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, because you're motivated by | ·3· · · · to adjust the audio. | |\n| ·4· ·staying out of jail, you would have had the | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Why don't we play it through | |\n| ·5· ·\\$37 million sent over to post as a bond regardless | ·5· · · · once without the sound and we will do what we | |\n| ·6· ·of any terms associated with its return or how it | ·6· · · · can do and, Will, you can work on it. | |\n| ·7· ·would be handled once the Lady May arrived, correct? | ·7· · · · · · ·Will, could you play Exhibit 5. | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· (Complies.) | |\n| ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played without audio.) | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I want to show you | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· · · · what I'll mark as an exhibit, a video from Vice | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize that you are | |\n| 12· · · · that I'll ask my colleague to play.· It will be | 12· ·one of the people in that video? | |\n| 13· · · · marked as Exhibit 5. | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 5 was received and | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, while we could not hear the | |\n| 15· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | 15· ·audio, under the subtitles there were repeated | |\n| 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Is there a question? | 16· ·references by you saying -- referring to \"my yacht,\" | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'm sorry, Mr. Kwok, there was | 17· ·correct? | |\n| 18· · · · not.· There was not any audio.· Once I can get | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· · · · it to play, I'll ask you a question. | 19· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht you were referring | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Anyone hear sound? | 20· ·to when you told the interviewer from Vice News | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We do not hear any sound. | 21· ·about \"my yacht\" was the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 22· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· Sound issue.· Sorry. | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Take your time, Will. | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Exhibit 5 appears to be a true | |\n| 24· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· There's no sound. | 24· ·and accurate copy of your interview with Vice News, | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· In that case, we may need to | 25· ·correct? | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 76 | | Page 77 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·2022, correct? | |\n| ·3· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to put up | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · the next video.· And we'll mark it as | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could I ask you to play | |\n| ·5· · · · Exhibit 6. | ·5· · · · the next video, which we'll mark as Kwok | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 6 was received and | ·6· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 7. | |\n| ·7· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | ·7· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 7 was received and | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | ·8· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| ·9· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·9· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | |\n| 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you are the person speaking in | 10· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 11· ·the video that is Exhibit 6, correct? | 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the person speaking in that | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 12· ·video is you, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you were aboard the Lady May at | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·the time of the video, correct? | 14· · · · Q.· ·And in the video, Mr. Kwok, that's a true | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· ·and accurate copy of an interview you gave, | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was created in | 16· ·Mr. Kwok? | |\n| 17· ·November of 2022, correct? | 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this video was posted on Vetter | 19· ·selling the Lady May, correct? | |\n| 20· ·(phonetic) social media network you own and control, | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·correct? | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in the video you talk about how | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· ·when you purchased the Lady May in 2015, it was | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the video that has been marked | 23· ·delivered to Miami at that time, correct? | |\n| 24· ·as Exhibit 6 is a true and accurate copy of you | 24· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 25· ·speaking on the deck of the Lady May in November of | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, the Lady May has been in the | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 78 | | Page 79 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·United States since 2015, correct? | ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, at no time during this period | |\n| ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·3· ·did your daughter, Mei Guo, ever step foot on the | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you have been in the | ·4· ·Lady May, correct? | |\n| ·5· ·United States the entire time that the Lady May has | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·been in the United States, correct? | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your use of the Lady May between | |\n| ·7· · · · · · ·Let me strike that. | ·7· ·2015 and June 2017 is no different than your use of | |\n| ·8· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you have been residing in the | ·8· ·the Lady May from June 2017 until the present, | |\n| ·9· ·United States since 2015, correct? | ·9· ·correct? | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, your daughter Mei Guo did not | 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n| 12· ·come to the United States until 2017, correct? | 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Ms. Wang, I need to go to | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | 13· · · · the bathroom again.· I'm feeling uncomfortable. | |\n| 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Let's take a break so that you | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· · · · can do so. | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, when the Lady May was purchased | 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm really sorry. | |\n| 17· ·in 2015, it was not delivered to the location where | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· Please, take care of | |\n| 18· ·Mei Guo was living but, in fact, was delivered to | 18· · · · yourself. | |\n| 19· ·the United States where you were living, correct? | 19· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · record at 2:49 p.m. | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, between the time the boat was | 21· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | |\n| 22· ·delivered to Miami in 2015 and June of 2017, you | 22· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | |\n| 23· ·used -- you boarded and sailed on the Lady May | 23· · · · record at 2:54 p.m. | |\n| 24· ·frequently, correct? | 24· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 25· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask my colleague to | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 80 | | Page 81 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·put back up Exhibit 5, which I'm told now we have | ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·3· ·audio for. | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see yourself in the top | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. FARMER:· One moment. | ·4· ·left-hand corner of that call -- the video of that | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | ·5· ·call, with the name Miles under you? | |\n| ·6· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, now that you could hear the | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy | |\n| ·8· ·audio of that video, do you agree that that is a | ·8· ·of a call that you conducted, correct? | |\n| ·9· ·true and accurate copy of the interview that you | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·gave with Vice News? | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, on that call, you were telling | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· ·participants that if they had any questions, they | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you heard in that video which is | 12· ·should reach out to William Je, correct? | |\n| 13· ·Exhibit 5 multiple references to \"my yacht,\" | 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 14· ·correct? | 14· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, in this video of the call | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 15· ·you conducted, you were telling the participants | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, the yacht that you were | 16· ·that if they had questions relating to transferring | |\n| 17· ·referencing in Exhibit 5 repeatedly as \"my yacht\" is | 17· ·funds to entities you own and control, they should | |\n| 18· ·the Lady May, correct? | 18· ·speak to your agent, William Je, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I'll ask my colleague, Will | 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, could you please -- I'll | |\n| 21· · · · Farmer, to post the next video, which we'll | 21· · · · ask you to mark as Exhibit 9, the next exhibit, | |\n| | | |\n| 22· · · · mark as Exhibit 8 for this deposition. | 22· · · · which, I believe, is a Tweet dated | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 8 was received and | 23· · · · May 10, 2017. | |\n| 24· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.)
25· · · · · · ·(Video played with audio.) | 24· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 9 was received and
25· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 82 | | Page 83 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize yourself in | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Do you see -- and this is a true and | |\n| ·4· ·this exhibit? | ·4· ·accurate copy of the Tweets you posted on August 27, | |\n| ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·5· ·2017, Mr. Kwok? | |\n| ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this is a true and accurate copy | ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·7· ·of the Tweet you posted, correct? | ·7· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you refer to the | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·8· ·Lady May as \"my ship,\" correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And in this Tweet, Mr. Kwok, from May 10, | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·2017, you state that you're posting photos of \"the | 10· · · · Q.· ·And you wrote those words, correct, Mr. | |\n| 11· ·yacht I gave to my daughter and named after her,\" | 11· ·Kwok? | |\n| 12· ·correct? | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also write | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in this Tweet you also wrote | 14· ·\"This was two years ago, when I was in Miami, when I | |\n| 15· ·that \"I bought the Lady May for EUR 41 million,\" | 15· ·had just signed the most important investment | |\n| 16· ·correct? | 16· ·contract of my life,\" exclamation point. | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· · · · · · ·Do you see that? | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you see below it, if we could | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· ·scroll down, there's another Tweet from August 27, | 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, who did you sign the most | |\n| 20· ·2017. | 20· ·important investment contract of your life with? | |\n| 21· · · · · · ·Do you see that Mr. Kwok? | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·Ms. Wang, what is the question? | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you signed that investment | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Whether you see the Tweet from | 23· ·contract on your own behalf, not acting as anyone | |\n| 24· ·August 27, 2017 below the one where that is a | 24· ·else's agent, correct? | |\n| 25· ·picture of you? | 25· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 84 | | Page 85 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, what did you do with the assets | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Yes, ma'am. | |\n| ·3· ·you received from signing that investment contract? | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control an entity | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, a man named Elliot Dordick is | |\n| ·6· ·called \"HCHK Property Management Inc.,\" correct? | ·6· ·affiliated with HCHK Technologies, Inc., and HCHK | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· ·Property Management, Inc., correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, and for the record, when | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· ·referencing the video exhibits I've shown you today, | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions and statements made | |\n| 10· ·your answers would not change if I was describing | 10· ·and taken by Mr. Dordick in relation to the | |\n| 11· ·the videos as true and correct recordings as opposed | 11· ·Chapter 11 trustee in this case, (indiscernible), | |\n| 12· ·to true and correct copies, correct? | 12· ·have been done at your direction and under your | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·In this one, what's the question? | 13· ·control? | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·When referencing the video exhibits we've | 14· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· Again, | |\n| 15· ·looked at today, meaning Exhibits 5, 6, 7, and 8, I | 15· · · · we seem to be getting pretty far outside the | |\n| 16· ·asked you if they were true and correct copies. | 16· · · · scope of anything in this adversary proceeding. | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·And what I want to know is, your answers | 17· · · · · · ·Go ahead an answer this one, but absent an | |\n| 18· ·would not change if I also asked you the same | 18· · · · offer of proof, I'm going to start instructing | |\n| 19· ·question as to whether they're true and accurate | 19· · · · the witness not to answer to this line. | |\n| 20· ·recordings of those videos, correct? | 20· · · · · · ·Go ahead. | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you own and control a property | 22· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23· ·called \"HCHK Technologies Inc.,\" correct?
24· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· HCHK Technologies, Inc., | 23· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, in addition to the Lady May, you
24· ·also own and control a second boat named the | |\n| 25· · · · is that the company's name? | 25· ·Lady May II, correct? | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| | Page 86 | | Page 87 |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·2· ·Limited, Saraca Media Group, Greenwich Land LLC, | |\n| ·3· · · · Q.· ·The Lady May II, like the Lady May, is | | ·3· ·Rule of Law Society, and the Sherry-Netherland | |\n| ·4· ·also an asset of your estate, correct? | | ·4· ·apartment were all taken at your direction, correct? | |\n| ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Anthony D'Battista is also an | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | ·7· ·employee of yours, correct? | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, where is the Lady May II | | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·9· ·currently located? | | ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. D'Battista acts as your agent in | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 10· ·connection with his work related to all the G | |\n| 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Daniel Podhaskie served as your | | 11· ·entities in Saraca Media, correct? | |\n| 12· ·counsel previously, correct? | | 12· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) | |\n| 13· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 13· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Podhaskie was your employee, correct? | | 14· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. D'Battista acts as your | |\n| 15· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 15· ·agent and under your direction in connection with | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Podhaskie has acted as your | | 16· ·all of his activities related to the G entities, by | |\n| 17· ·agent, correct? | | 17· ·which I mean, G Fashion G Music G Club, Getter, as | |\n| 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 18· ·well as Saraca Media, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions Mr. Podhaskie took | | 19· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 20· ·as counsel to Golden Spring were, in fact, actions | | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you know who Fiona Yu is, | |\n| 21· ·taken at your direction and for your benefit, | | 21· ·correct? | |\n| 22· ·correct? | | 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 23· · · · Q.· ·You directed Fiona Yu to speak as your | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by Daniel | | 24· ·agent in connection with seeking legal advice | |\n| 25· ·Podhaskie relating to Golden Spring, Leading Shine | | 25· ·related to hiding the Lady May from your creditors | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 88 | | Page 89 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· ·when she discussed this with your counsel, Hodgson | | ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·3· ·Russ, correct? | | ·3· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're aware of a man named Han | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·4· ·Chunguang? | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, similarly, Ms. Yu took all | | ·5· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·6· ·actions related to ACA Capital Group Limited at your | | ·6· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Eastern Profit Limited is an | |\n| ·7· ·direction, correct? | | ·7· ·entity in the name of your daughter Mei Guo, | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·8· ·correct? | |\n| ·9· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, you installed Fiona Yu as | | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· ·the company secretary of ACA Capital Group Limited, | | 10· · · · Q.· ·And Mr. Kwok, all actions taken by | |\n| 11· ·an entity you own and control, correct? | | 11· ·Mr. Chunguang as relate to Eastern Profit are taken | |\n| 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 12· ·at your direction, correct? | |\n| 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Karen Maistrello is another | | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 14· ·person who acts as your agent in connection with | | 14· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 15· ·your business transactions, correct? | | 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 16· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | 16· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Chunguang acts as your agent | |\n| 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· And for the record, Maistrello | | 17· ·in connection with all endeavors related to any | |\n| 18· · · · is spelled M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O. | | 18· ·entities related to you, correct? | |\n| 19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Do I need to answer? | | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· We're, | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· No.· I'm just providing that | | 20· · · · once again, getting pretty far afield of the | |\n| 21· · · · information to the Court Reporter, Mr. Kwok. | | 21· · · · relatively narrow allegations back and forth in | |\n| 22· · · · There's nothing for you to do. | | 22· · · · the HK adversary proceeding. | |\n| 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· I disagree.· This is another | |\n| 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Ms. Maistrello was an employee
25· ·of yours, correct? | | 24· · · · entity in the name of Ms. Guo.
25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Another entity? | |\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 90 | | Page 91 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Right.· Consistent with a | ·2· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| ·3· · · · pattern and practice of activities. | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· You can answer the question. | ·4· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·5· · · · I guess, getting pretty far afield, I have not | ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you, as a beneficial owner | |\n| ·6· · · · yet directed the witness not to answer a | ·6· ·and -- control Whitecroft Shores Limited, which is a | |\n| ·7· · · · question.· Based on relevance, I'm telling you | ·7· ·BVI corporation in the name of your daughter? | |\n| ·8· · · · we're getting pretty close on this one. | ·8· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· The audio got muffled on that | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·Go ahead. | ·9· · · · one. | |\n| 10· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Sure.· I'm happy to ask it | |\n| 11· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 11· · · · again. | |\n| 12· · · · Q.· ·And I apologize to Mr. Han.· I'm told Han | 12· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13· ·is his last name. | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you beneficially owned and | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·Mr. Kwok, you understood who I was | 14· ·controlled Whitecroft Shore Limited, a BVI | |\n| 15· ·referring to when I said Han Chunguang, that Han is | 15· ·corporation that is listed in the name of your | |\n| 16· ·the last name? | 16· ·daughter Mei Guo, correct? | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·And with that clarification, Mr. Kwok, | 18· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 19· ·would that change any of the answers you've | 19· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 20· ·previously given with regard to Mr. Han Chunguang? | 20· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you placed your asset Bombardier | |\n| 21· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 21· ·Global XRS with the -- a plane, with the serial | |\n| 22· · · · Q.· ·Ms. Kwok, the Lady May was not the only | 22· ·number 9189, into Whitecroft Shore Limited, correct? | |\n| 23· ·one of -- is not the only vehicle you owned and | 23· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 24· ·controlled that you put in the name of your | 24· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, despite this plane being listed | |\n| 25· ·daughter, correct? | 25· ·under the name of Whitecroft Shore Limited at all | |\n| | | |\n| Page 92
·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | Page 93 |\n| ·2· ·times, you were the beneficial owner and controlled | ·2· · · · on with our lives today, because this is | |\n| ·3· ·that plane, correct? | ·3· · · · getting extremely far outside the scope. | |\n| ·4· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· I hear your point. I | |\n| ·5· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're similarly the beneficial | ·5· · · · don't agree with you.· That said, I think you | |\n| ·6· ·owner and control an airbus, ACJ319, correct? | ·6· · · · understand the point I'm trying to make and why | |\n| ·7· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·7· · · · I think that's pertinent. | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, all funds used to purchase the | ·8· · · · · · ·I will try to move through.· I don't think | |\n| ·9· ·Bombardier Global XRS and airbus ACJ319 belong to | ·9· · · · there's very much more, and I'll try to move | |\n| 10· ·you, correct? | 10· · · · through it quickly. | |\n| 11· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 11· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. | |\n| 12· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Avi, I do think we need to | 12· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. | |\n| 13· · · · start moving on.· I get your point and | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· All right. | |\n| 14· · · · understand your point.· You're trying to prove | 14· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Just a couple more entities and | |\n| | | |\n| 15· · · · some sort of course of conduct.· I'm not saying
16· · · · I agree with it, but I understand the concept | 15· · · · a couple more people, and I think we'll be
16· · · · okay. | |\n| | | |\n| 17· · · · that you're doing.· But I think delving into | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 18· · · · multiple layers that are of multiple entities | 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're familiar with a person | |\n| 19· · · · in questions that are nearly identical is | 19· ·named Zhang Wei, correct? | |\n| 20· · · · becoming extremely redundant, going outside the | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· · · · rule -- of the scope of Rule 26, and getting to | 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, any actions taken by Zhang Wei | |\n| 22· · · · the point of harassment-like behavior. | 22· ·related to any assets or entities related to you are | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·And I'm not saying that to be | 23· ·taken at your direction and under your control, | |\n| 24· · · · disrespectful; I'm just saying that so we can | 24· ·correct? | |\n| 25· · · · all move on with our lives after today or move | 25· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| Page 94 | | Page 95 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | ·2· ·Genever Holdings Corporation, correct? | |\n| ·3· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·3· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Zhang Wei was never the owner of | ·4· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, you're the beneficial owner and | |\n| ·5· ·Genever Holdings LLC, correct? | ·5· ·control Greenwich Land LLC, correct? | |\n| ·6· · · · · · ·(Reporter clarification.) | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object and | |\n| ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | ·7· · · · direct the witness not to answer.· That is -- | |\n| ·8· · · · Q.· ·Zhang Wei was never the owner of Genever, | ·8· · · · that entity doesn't relate to any party in this | |\n| | | |\n| ·9· ·G-E-N-E-V-E-R, Holdings LLC, correct? | ·9· · · · adversary proceeding at all. | |\n| 10· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the question.· It | 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· So, Aaron, let me lay more of a | |\n| 11· · · · is related to another ongoing proceeding to | 11· · · · foundation and then, hopefully, you'll | |\n| 12· · · · which Ms. Guo and HKI are already obviously | 12· · · · understand, okay? | |\n| 13· · · · parties.· It's outside the scope of this | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Okay. | |\n| 14· · · · adversary proceeding. | 14· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 15· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 15· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Max Krasner and Yvette Wang both | |\n| 16· · · · Q.· ·You can answer, Mr. Kwok. | 16· ·took actions related to the Lady May in connection | |\n| 17· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 17· ·with their roles on your behalf with Golden Spring, | |\n| 18· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, we talked about Bravo Luck | 18· ·correct? | |\n| 19· ·Limited earlier. | 19· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Object to the form. | |\n| 20· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei never was the owner of | 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 21· ·Bravo Luck Limited, correct? | 21· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 22· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, Mr. Krasner and Ms. Wang also | |\n| 23· · · · Q.· ·Last question with regard to this and I'll | 23· ·hold, at the same time, positions with Greenwich | |\n| 24· ·move on. | 24· ·Land LLC, correct? | |\n| 25· · · · · · ·Mr. Zhang Wei was never the owner of | 25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Sorry.· I need to go to the | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| Page 96 | | Page 97 |\n| ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | |\n| ·2· · · · bathroom again.· My belly is making some noises | ·2· · · · and Agreement.\"· That's at tab 211. | |\n| ·3· · · · again. | ·3· · · · · · ·(Kwok PJR Exhibit 10 was received and | |\n| ·4· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I just need | ·4· · · · marked for identification, as of this date.) | |\n| ·5· · · · you to answer this question because we can't | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you go to the last | |\n| ·6· · · · take a break while a question is pending, but | ·6· · · · page. | |\n| ·7· · · · then I'll let you take a break. | ·7· ·BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| ·8· · · · A.· ·I've just answered this, the Fifth. | ·8· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you recognize this document? | |\n| ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay.· Let's take a break so | ·9· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 10· · · · you can go to the bathroom. | 10· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, do you see your signature on | |\n| 11· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | 11· ·this page -- on the last page? | |\n| | | |\n| 12· · · · record at 3:37 p.m. | 12· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | |\n| 13· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, this trust agreement, which | |\n| 14· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | 14· ·is -- purported trust agreement, which has been | |\n| 15· · · · record at 3:43 p.m. | 15· ·marked as Exhibit 10, did not exist as of March 6, | |\n| 16· ·BY MR. LUFT: | 16· ·2015, when closing occurred for the purchase of the | |\n| 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask you again, you | 17· ·Sherry-Netherland apartment, correct? | |\n| 18· ·are the beneficial owner and control Greenwich Land | 18· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· I'm going to object.· This | |\n| 19· ·LLC, correct? | 19· · · · document, again, is the subject of a dispute. | |\n| 20· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | 20· · · · It's directly at issue in another adversary | |\n| 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask that the | 21· · · · proceeding to which the parties are not here. | |\n| 22· ·document -- | 22· · · · I don't see any significance or any relevance | |\n| 23· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Will, if you could mark as Kwok | 23· · · · whatsoever to this document to HK USA or | |\n| 24· · · · PJR Deposition Exhibit 10 -- Will, if you could | 24· · · · Ms. Guo. | |\n| 25· · · · put up a document titled \"Declaration of Trust | 25· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Well, the entity that entered | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n\n\n| | | Page 98 | Page 99 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|---------|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok | | ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·H. Kwok |\n| | ·2· · · · into Bravo Luck Limited is the same entity that | | ·2· ·this hearing and were asked the identical questions |\n| | ·3· · · · purportedly funded the purchase of the Lady May | | ·3· ·that you were asked today, would you give the same |\n| | ·4· · · · and the Sherry-Netherland apartment.· I think | | ·4· ·answers to them? |\n| | ·5· · · · it's directly relevant.· I'm happy not to spend | | ·5· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Am I correct that the |\n| | ·6· · · · a lot of time on it, but I would like an answer | | ·6· · · · question assumes the absence of an objection or |\n| | ·7· · · · to my question. | | ·7· · · · an objection that was not sustained? |\n| | ·8· · · · A.· ·The Fifth. | | ·8· · · · · · ·Is that a fair qualification on the |\n| | ·9· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, why don't we take a | | ·9· · · · question? |\n| | 10· · · · five-minute break.· I may be done.· So let me | | 10· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· My question assumes no waiver |\n| | 11· · · · just check my notes.· Is that okay? | | 11· · · · of your right to object to any questions that |\n| | 12· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're going off the | | 12· · · · you objected to today. |\n| | 13· · · · record at 3:47 p.m. | | 13· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you. |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·(Recess.) | | 14· · · · · · ·THE INTERPRETER:· The witness said \"yes\" |\n| | 15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the | | 15· · · · just now.· That didn't get interpreted. |\n| | 16· · · · record at 3:54 p.m. | | 16· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Okay. |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, your counsel and I | | 17· ·BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 18· · · · have discussed the idea that if the Court is | | 18· · · · Q.· ·Just so we're clear Mr. Kwok, your answer |\n| | 19· · · · amenable, that in lieu of you giving live | | 19· ·to my question is \"yes\"? |\n| | 20· · · · testimony at the PJR hearing, that we can use | | 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. |\n| | 21· · · · this deposition transcript.· I hope the Court | | 21· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Mr. Kwok, I have no further |\n| | 22· · · · will agree to that. | | 22· · · · questions for you at this time.· I thank you |\n| | 23· ·BY MR. LUFT: | | 23· · · · very much for the time you've given us today. |\n| | 24· · · · Q.· ·But let me just ask, if for whatever | | 24· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· Thank you.· I have no |\n| | 25· ·reason you were to have to give live testimony at | | 25· · · · questions for the witness. |\n| | Page 100 | | Page 101 |\n| | ·1· · · · · · · · · · H. Kwok | | ·1
·2· · · · · · ·MR. LUFT:· Standing order. |\n| | ·2· · · · THE WITNESS:· I wanted to take this | | ·3· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We'll take a copy but no |\n| | ·3· ·opportunity to also thank you -- say thank you | | ·4· · · · rough. |\n| | ·4· ·to everybody here today.· I'm sorry that | | ·5· · · · · · ·MS. SONG:· Same thing. |\n| | ·5· ·because I was feeling uncomfortable, so I | | ·6· · · · · · ·MR. ROMNEY:· We will also ask for a copy |\n| | ·6· ·wasted quite a bit of everybody's time. | | ·7· · · · of the video as well. |\n| | ·7· · · · But I want to say thank you for all the | | ·8 |\n| | ·8· ·professional questions, and I also want to | | ·9· · · · · · ·(Time noted:· 3:59 p.m.) |\n| | ·9· ·extend my thanks to you, the Interpreters, | | 10 |\n| | 10· ·including Ms. Wang and Luyi, as well as the | | 11 |\n| | 11· ·Court Reporter and all of the counsels present | | 12· · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________ |\n| | 12· ·today as well as our videographer. | | 13· · · · · · · · · · · ·HO WAN KWOK |\n| | 13· · · · And I also want to say hello, please, to | | 14 |\n| | | | |\n| | 14· ·pass on my greetings to the trust and Mr. Luc. | | |\n| | 15· · · · MR. LUFT:· I will definitely pass those | | 15· ·Subscribed and sworn to |\n| | 16· ·greetings along, Mr. Kwok, and I will echo your | | 16· ·before me this· · ·day |\n| | 17· ·thanks to the Court Reporter, the videographer | | 17· ·of· · · · · · 2023. |\n| | 18· ·and the translator, who all did a tremendous | | 18· ·_______________________ |\n| | 19· ·job today.· Thank you. | | 19 |\n| | 20· · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· This marks the end of | | 20 |\n| | 21· ·the deposition.· We're going off the record at | | 21 |\n| | 22· ·3:59 p.m. | | 22 |\n| | 23· · · · (Deposition continues - Next page) | | 23 |\n| 24 | | | 24 |\n| 25 | | | 25 |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide· · 877-702-9580\n\nof 38\n\n| | Page 102 | Page 103 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ·1 | | ·1 |\n| | ·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE | ·2· · · · · · · · · · ·C O N T E N T S |\n| ·3 | | ·3· ·MR. LUFT· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·7 |\n| | ·4· ·STATE OF CONNECTICUT ) | ·4· · · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S |\n| | ·5· · · · · · · · · · · :· ·ss | ·5· · · · · · ·(Retained by the court reporter) |\n| | ·6· · · · · · ·I, Angela M. Shaw-Crockett, a Certified Court | ·6· ·DEPOSITION· · · · · EXHIBIT· · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE |\n| | ·7· ·Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary Public within | ·7· ·Exhibit 1· ·Declaration of Trust· · · · · · · · · 19 |\n| | ·8· ·and for the States of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, | ·8· ·Exhibit 2· ·UBS Account Statement, Bravo Luck· · ·62 |\n| | ·9· ·do hereby certify: | · · · · · · · · ·Ltd., Bates UBS00137 |\n| | 10· · · · · · ·That HO WAN KWOK, the witness whose deposition is | ·9 |\n| | 11· ·hereinbefore set forth, was duly sworn by me and that such | · · ·Exhibit 3· ·Wire Transfer, 15 March 2015, Bates· ·63 |\n| | 12· ·deposition is a true record of the testimony given by such | 10· · · · · · · ·UBS02746 |\n| | 13· ·witness. | 11· ·Exhibit 4· ·Stipulated Order· · · · · · · · · · · 69 |\n| | 14· · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not related to any of | 12· ·Exhibit 5· ·Video from Vice· · · · · · · · · · · ·74 |\n| | 15· ·the parties to this action by blood or marriage and that I | 13· ·Exhibit 6· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·76 |\n| | 16· ·am in no way interested in the outcome of this matter. | 14· ·Exhibit 7· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·77 |\n| | 17· · · · · · ·In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand | 15· ·Exhibit 8· ·Video· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·80 |\n| | | 16· ·Exhibit 9· ·Tweet, dated May 10, 2017· · · · · · ·82 |\n| | 18· ·this 2nd day of March, 2023. | 17· ·Exhibit 10· Declaration of Trust and Agreement· · 97 |\n| 19 | | 18 |\n| | 20· · · · · · ·---------------------------------------- | 19 |\n| | · · · · · · · ·ANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT, CCR, CRR, RMR, CSR | 20 |\n| | 21· · · · · · ·LICENSE NO. XI00218400 | 21 |\n| 22 | | 22 |\n| 23 | | 23 |\n| 24 | | 24 |\n| 25 | | 25 |\n| | | |\n| ·1 | Page 104 | |\n| | ·2· ·NAME OF CASE:· In Re: Ho Wan Kwok | |\n| | ·3· ·DATE OF DEPOSITION:· March 2, 2023 | |\n| | ·4· ·NAME OF WITNESS:· Ho Wan Kwok
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Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特）主持进行HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）的远程录像证言；其为纽约州、新泽西州及康涅狄格州的认证法庭记录员、认证实时记录员、注册优秀记录员及公证人。\n\nCHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC（基耶萨·沙希尼安及贾恩托马西律师事务所）\nHK INTERNATIONAL（HK国际）及MEI GUO（郭美）的代理律师\nOne Boland Drive\nWest Orange, New Jersey 07052\n代理律师：PATRICIA BERGAMASCO, ESQ.（帕特里夏·贝加马斯科律师）\n\nZEISLER & ZEISLER P.C.（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）\nHK INTERNATIONAL（HK国际）及MEI GUO（郭美）的代理律师\n10 Middle Street\nBridgeport, Connecticut 06604\n代理律师：AARON ROMNEY, ESQ.（亚伦·罗姆尼律师）\n\n其他在场人员：Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎），录像员\nLuyi Song（宋露易），Paul Hastings（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）法律助理\nJingyi Wang（王静怡），普通话口译员\nUna Wilkinson（尤娜·威尔金森），普通话核对口译员\n**\n\n第4页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\n录像员：早上好。我叫Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎）。我是与TSG Reporting（TSG记录公司）合作的法律录像员。我不会与证人处于同一房间。我将远程录制该证言。记录员Angie Shaw-Crockett（安吉·肖-克罗克特）也不会与证人处于同一房间，并将远程为证人宣誓。\n\n各方是否约定，该录像记录和远程宣誓有效，并且其在法庭上可采，犹如其系依照《联邦民事诉讼规则》第30条及案件待决州的规则进行？\n\nLUFT先生：我是代表第11章受托人的Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特），我们同意。\n\nROMNEY先生：是的，我是Aaron Romney（亚伦·罗姆尼），代表债务人、证人，来自Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）。我们同意。\n\nBERGAMASCO女士：我是代表Mei Guo（郭美）和HK International（HK国际）的Patricia Bergamasco（帕特里夏·贝加马斯科）。\n\n录像员：谢谢。\n\n这是——\n\nLUFT先生：您同意吗？\n\nBERGAMASCO女士：同意。抱歉。\n\n第5页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\n录像员：谢谢。\n\n现在开始第1盘录像带，即在美国破产法院康涅狄格州联邦地区布里奇波特分院审理的关于Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）事项、案号22-50073 (JAM)的录像证言。\n\n各方已同意于2023年3月2日上午约10:28远程出庭。\n\n我叫Matthew Chin-Quee（马修·钦-奎），来自TSG Reporting（TSG记录公司），我是法律录像专员。法庭记录员为与TSG Reporting（TSG记录公司）合作的Angie Shaw-Crockett（安吉·肖-克罗克特）。\n\n请各位律师作自我介绍。\n\nLUFT先生：您好。我是Paul Hastings（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）的Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特）。我在关于Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）事项中代表第11章受托人。与我一同出席的是我的同事Douglass Barron（道格拉斯·巴伦）、Will Farmer（威尔·法默）以及担任法律助理的Luyi Song（宋露易）。\n\nROMNEY先生：Aaron Romney（亚伦·罗姆尼），Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）。我在主破产案件中代表债务人Kwok先生。我也在本对抗程序中作为证人代表他。\n\n第6页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\n我还在本对抗程序中代表Mei Guo（郭美）和HKI USA（HKI美国）。\n\nBERGAMASCO女士：我是来自Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）的Patricia Bergamasco（帕特里夏·贝加马斯科），在本对抗程序中代表Mei Guo（郭美）和HK International USA（HK国际美国）。\n\n录像员：谢谢。\n\n请法庭记录员为口译员和证人宣誓。\n\nJINGYI WANG（王静怡），经纽约州有管辖权的公证人首先依法宣誓后，就英语问题译为普通话以及普通话回答译为英语，在宣誓下作如下翻译：\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）被传唤为证人后，经首次依法宣誓（通过口译员），接受询问并作证如下：\n\n证人：谢谢。\n\n口译员：口译员说明一下。口译员已收到链接，实时记录现已开始工作。\n\n第7页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\nLUFT先生：很好。\n\n询问\n由LUFT先生进行：\n\n问：早上好，Kwok先生。您好吗？\n\n答：我很好，律师。您今天早上好吗？\n\n问：我很好。谢谢您的询问。\n\n在我们开始之前，我将宣读律师就今天此次远程证言所达成的条款。有多项条款，因此我想我会在每一项后暂停，以便口译员有机会翻译。我不是在寻求答复，我只是陈述这些条款是什么。但我认为这样会更容易。\n\n受托人已同意根据债务人律师代表债务人作出的如下约定，于今日远程进行债务人的证言：第一，HK USA（HK美国）和Mei Guo女士（郭美）不再拟传唤债务人代表其方提供证言，并已将其从拟在听证会上出庭的证人名单中删除。\n\n第8页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\n远程进行本次证言的前提是，除涉及Kwok先生姓名、住址及确认其家庭成员身份的问题外，债务人拟对在本次证言中提出的任何问题主张其《宪法第五修正案》权利。\n\n如果债务人试图主张——不——对不起。请删除那句话。\n\n如果债务人试图不主张其《宪法第五修正案》权利，而是回答问题，则这将构成对远程进行其证言的协议的违反，其证言将立即以现场方式进行。双方均明确，债务人此时不能将通过主张其《宪法第五修正案》权利而决定不回答问题，作为可供考虑的选择。\n\n本次远程证言是出于善意提供的，因为债务人提出了请求，而非因为有此必要，或受托人承认在此处或今后远程进行债务人的证言是适当的。任何试图作出实质性回答而不主张其《宪法第五修正案》权利的行为，均构成对本协议的违反。\n\n对不起。我们需要停止记录。我的电脑刚刚崩溃了。抱歉。\n\n录像员：我们于上午10:37停止记录。\n\n第9页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于上午10:45恢复记录。\n\nLUFT先生：我将继续说明约定。抱歉出现技术问题。\n\n在进行证言时，债务人必须实际身处法院管辖范围内，即距法院100英里以内。除债务人的口译员及其来自Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）的律师外，任何人不得在债务人接受证言时与其处于同一房间。在证言被记录期间，债务人不得与其来自Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）的律师以外的任何人沟通。\n\n在我们进行记录期间，债务人的口译员不得与债务人沟通。唯一的口译员是官方口译员Jingyi Wang女士（王静怡）。债务人的口译员在场，是为了协助债务人在休息期间与Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）沟通，并在证言进行期间就翻译事宜向Zeisler & Zeisler（泽斯勒与泽斯勒律师事务所）提供建议。债务人的口译员不得在记录中发言。\n\n第10页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\n在证言被记录期间，债务人不得接触任何能够发送或接收信息的设备。债务人在证言进行且被记录期间不得发送或阅读信息。\n\n各位律师，我们是否仍均同意这些约定的协议？\n\nROMNEY先生：是的。正确。我唯一要说明的保留是，如我需要在记录中说些什么而要求债务人理解Wilkinson女士——如我需要与债务人沟通，将通过Wilkinson女士进行。\n\nLUFT先生：Romney先生，在我们进行记录期间，我要求您使用Wang女士与债务人交谈。如您需要就特权事项与他交谈，我们应停止记录，在此情况下，您可以按您所需通过Wilkinson女士与他交谈。\n\nROMNEY先生：当然。我认为这总体上是正确的。如同在通常情形下，我会在记录中对当事人说些什么，而不先休庭以确定是否有必要休庭时，这可能需要通过Wilkinson女士进行，但我预计不会有任何问题。\n\n第11页\n\nH. Kwok（郭）\n\nLUFT先生：可以。\n\nBergamasco女士，您仍同意这些条款吗？\n\nBERGAMASCO女士：您能重复一下吗？\n\nLUFT先生：只是确认贵所仍同意我刚才陈述的已达成的条款。\n\nBERGAMASCO女士：同意。\n\nLUFT先生：很好。\n\n由LUFT先生进行：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您一直非常有耐心。对此谢谢您。\n\nKwok先生，我可以请您为记录陈述您的姓名和住址吗？\n\n答：我的中文姓名是郭浩湾。我的地址在纽约第五大道。是Sherry-Netherlands（雪莉-荷兰酒店），但我记不起确切门牌号。是768或769。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您现在在该地址吗？\n\n第12页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 是。\n\nQ. 好的。郭先生，我知道您以前接受过证言录取，但我想先说明一些基本规则，以确保我们双方理解一致；可以吗？\n\nA. 好的。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您是否明白，您今天是在宣誓后作证？\n\nA. 是，我明白。\n\nQ. 这意味着，您所作的任何证言都必须真实。\n\n您明白吗？\n\nA. 是，我明白。\n\nQ. 您今天是否有任何原因无法提供真实证言？\n\nA. 没有。\n\nQ. 郭先生，我们能否约定，如果我的任何问题您听不清楚，您会告诉我并要求我澄清？\n\nA. 好的。非常感谢。\n\nQ. 郭先生，如果您不告诉我某件事不清楚，我们能否约定，我可以假定您理解我的问题？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n第13页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 好的。没问题。\n\nQ. 郭先生，今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\nA. 我的律师和译员Una（乌娜）。\n\nQ. 您的律师是Romney先生吗？\n\nA. 我只知道他叫Aaron（阿伦）。我不确定他的另一个名字。\n\nLUFT先生：Romney先生，是您，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：是我，Avi（阿维）。Aaron Romney（阿伦·罗姆尼）。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\nQ. 您的译员是Una Wilkinson（乌娜·威尔金森），对吗？\n\nA. 是。\n\nQ. 今天房间里还有其他人与您在一起吗？\n\nA. 没有。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您女儿叫什么名字？\n\nA. Kwok Mei（郭美）。\n\nQ. 您儿子叫什么名字？\n\nA. Kwok Qiang（郭强）。\n\nQ. 他有时也使用Mileson Kwok（郭迈克尔）这个名字吗？\n\n第14页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 是。\n\nQ. 您妻子叫什么名字？\n\nA. Yu Chang Chu（朱玉昌）。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您今天为证言录取做过任何准备吗？\n\nA. 没有。\n\nQ. 您是否曾与律师会面，为今天的证言录取做准备？\n\nA. 没有。\n\nQ. 您是否审阅过任何文件，为今天的证言录取做准备？\n\nA. 没有。\n\nQ. 您是否审阅过任何材料，以唤起您对今天证言录取的记忆？\n\nA. 没有。\n\nQ. 郭先生，现阶段我们将转入您证言录取的实质部分；我理解，您打算对该部分援引第五修正案特权。\n\n我要求您在提出任何此类主张之前，先让我把问题问完，并允许译员将其完整翻译，可以吗？\n\n第15页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 好的。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自Hong Kong International Funds Investments Limited（香港国际基金投资有限公司）（下称“HK International”）于February 23, 2015购得Lady May（“Lady May”）以来，您一直是Lady May的受益所有人，对吗？\n\nA. 我援引第五修正案特权。\n\nQ. 自HK International于February 23, 2015购得Lady May以来，作为债务人的您一直是Lady May的衡平所有人，对吗？\n\nA. 我援引第五修正案特权。\n\nQ. 自HK International于February 23, 2015购得Lady May以来，您一直控制Lady May，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 自Hong Kong International于February 23, 2015购得Lady May以来，您一直是Lady May的法定所有人吗？\n\n证人：Wang女士，问题是什么？问题是否是我是不是法定所有人？\n\nLUFT先生：是。\n\n第16页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\nQ. 我的陈述正确吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您无需获得Mei Guo（郭美）的许可即可登上Lady May，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您无需征得郭美的许可即可使用Lady May，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您无需征得郭美的许可，即可指示Lady May的船员将Lady May从一地驶往另一地，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自Hong Kong International Funds Investment Limited（香港国际基金投资有限公司）成立以来，您一直是其受益所有人，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK International成立以来，您一直是其衡平所有人，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK International成立以来，您一直控制HK International，对吗？\n\n第17页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK International成立以来，您一直是其法定所有人，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK International成立以来，它一直是您的另一自我，对吗？\n\n译员：律师，您能否解释一下“另一自我”？\n\nLUFT先生：只需翻译该术语。这是一个法律术语。\n\n译员：我知道这个法律术语。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。\n\n证人：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\nQ. 郭先生，您熟悉一个名为“HK International Funds Investment USA Limited（香港国际基金投资美国有限公司）”的实体吗？我也可能将其称为“HK USA”，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直是其受益所有人，对吗？\n\n第18页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直是其衡平所有人，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直控制该实体，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，您一直是其法定所有人，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，自HK USA成立以来，它一直是您的另一自我，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您认识一名叫Natasha Qu（曲娜）的人，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，将HK International转让给曲娜，是为了向您的债权人隐藏您的资产，对吗？\n\n第19页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您指示曲娜于或约于October 10, 2014签署一份信托声明，规定您在Hong Kong International中的股份，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：此时，我请求法庭记录员将一份于October 10, 2014作出的信托声明副本，以及我们所持有的其经认证译文，标记为Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 1。\n\n如有可能，我会请我的同事Farmer先生（法默）将其展示出来。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR Exhibit 1已被接收并标记以供识别。）\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\nQ. 郭先生，请花一分钟审阅证物1。\n\nROMNEY先生：Avi，可能是屏幕的格式问题。我在那里看不到Bates编号。\n\n这些文件是否是在PJR程序中提交的？\n\nLUFT先生：没有Bates编号。我们已提出向您提供该文件。\n\n第20页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nROMNEY先生：抱歉。我不确定您所指的是什么。\n\n证人：我已经读完了。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\nQ. 郭先生，这是您于October 10, 2014与Natasha Kwok [原文如此]——Natasha Qu（曲娜）订立的、涉及您在Hong Kong International中股份的《信托声明》的真实、正确副本吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题的形式提出异议。\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\nQ. 郭先生，证物1《信托声明》的签署副本，日期为October 10, 2014，已交给您的律师Stevenson, Wong & Co.（史蒂文森、黄律师事务所），由其代表您保管，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，根据《信托声明》的条款，即使Hong Kong International已由您转让给曲娜，您仍保留了对Hong Kong International及其资产的控制权和受益所有权，包括Lady May，对吗？\n\n第21页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nQ. Lady May是代表您购置的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题的形式提出异议。\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n\nQ. 郭先生，Lady May是为您购置，以供您控制并享有受益所有权，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，用于购置Lady May的全部资金均为您拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您于February 23, 2015以您独家控制的资金，向名为Bravo Luck（布拉沃·拉克）的实体提供资金以购置Lady May，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，Bravo Luck是一个您始终享有独家控制权的实体，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您始终对Bravo Luck的资产享有独家控制权，对吗？\n\nYVer1f\n\n第22页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nQ. 您始终对Bravo Luck的资产享有独家控制权，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，用于购置Lady May的资金均不属于您的儿子Mileson Kwok（郭迈克尔），对吗？\n\n第23页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\nQ. 郭先生，您指示曲女士将其对Hong Kong International的所谓所有权，于June 27, 2017以一港元的对价转让给郭美，对吗？\n\nA. 第五修正案。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生（郭文贵），您为自己使用而指示Hong Kong International（香港国际公司）购买Lady May号，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示香港国际公司使用您自己的资产购买Lady May号，试图掩盖您对Lady May号的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：为明确起见，当我提及Bravo Luck时，您理解我指的是Bravo Luck Limited（瑞幸有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示香港国际公司使用您拥有的资金购买Lady May号，以使Lady May号免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示于June 27, 2017将Qu女士（曲女士）对HK International（香港国际公司）所称拥有的所有权，以one Hong Kong dollar的对价转让给Mei Guo（梅果），试图掩盖您对Lady May号的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您指示于June 27, 2017将Qu女士所称拥有的HK International所有权，以one Hong Kong dollar的对价转让给Mei Guo，试图使Lady May号免受您债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士所称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变以下事实：您仍然控制HK International，且仍为其受益所有人，对吗？\n\nRomney先生（罗姆尼先生）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第24页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：由于刚才提出了异议，我把该问题拆开问。\n\n于June 27, 2017将Qu女士所称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变以下事实：在该转让后，您仍然控制HK International，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士所称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变以下事实：在该转让后，您仍然是Hong Kong International的受益所有人，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士所称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变以下事实：在转让前后，您均仍然控制Lady May号，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第25页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，于June 27, 2017将Qu女士所称拥有的HK International所有权转让给Mei Guo，并未改变以下事实：在转让前后，您均仍然是Lady May号的受益所有人，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您——即您本人或通过您的代理人——指示于September 11, 2018成立HK International Funds Investments USA Limited（HK International Funds Investments USA有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lady May号被转让给HK USA（HK美国公司），是为了试图掩盖您对Lady May号的所有权，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lady May号是按照您的指示被转让给HK USA的，目的是试图使其免受您的债权人的追索，对吗？\n\n第26页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您曾使用Golden Spring（金泉）和Lamp Capital（朗普资本）这两个实体支付Lady May号的费用，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是Golden Spring的所有人，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring拥有的所有资产均属于您，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您控制Golden Springs Limited（Golden Springs有限公司），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您控制Golden Spring的所有资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，由Golden Spring New York Limited（纽约金泉有限公司）支付的所有与Lady May号有关的费用——我一直将其称为“Golden Spring”——均是使用您控制的资金支付的，对吗？\n\n第27页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，由Golden Spring支付的所有与Lady May号有关的费用，均是使用您拥有的资金支付的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，由Golden Spring支付的所有与Lady May号有关的费用，均是按照您的指示支付的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Golden Spring为Lady May号支付的费用中，没有任何一项是使用属于Mileson Kwok（郭美森）的资产支付的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是Lamp Capital的衡平所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是Lamp Capital的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n第28页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是Golden Spring的衡平所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是Golden Spring的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对Lamp Capital拥有专属控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，由Lamp Capital LLC（Lamp Capital有限责任公司）支付的所有与Lady May号有关的费用，均是使用您控制的资产支付的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，由Lamp Capital LLC支付的所有与Lady May号有关的费用，均是使用您拥有的资产支付的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，由Lamp Capital LLC支付的所有与Lady May号有关的费用，均是按照您的指示支付的，对吗？\n\n第29页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital支付的与Lady May号有关的费用中，没有任何一项是使用属于Mileson Kwok的资产支付的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Lamp Capital的任何资产均不属于Kwok先生——即Mileson Kwok——，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您对Lamp Capital的资产拥有专属控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您的儿子Mileson Kwok对Lamp Capital的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您的儿子Mileson Kwok对Golden Spring的资产没有控制权，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n共38页\n\nYVer1f\n\n第30页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您要求Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）代表您采取与Lady May号、HK USA及HK International有关的行动，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您要求Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）代表您采取与Lady May号、HK International及HK USA有关的行动，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang就Lady May号采取的所有行动，均是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang就Lady May号采取的所有行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第31页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner所采取的所有与Lady May号有关的行动，均是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner所采取的所有与Lady May号有关的行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang所采取的所有与HK International有关的行动，均是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang所采取的所有与HK USA有关的行动，均是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang所采取的所有与HK International有关的行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n第32页\n\nH. Kwok\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang所采取的所有与HK USA有关的行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner所采取的所有与HK International有关的行动，均是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner所采取的所有与HK USA有关的行动，均是按照您的指示采取的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner所采取的所有与HK International有关的行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\n第33页\n\nH. Kwok\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner所采取的所有与HK USA有关的行动，均是代表您采取的，对吗？\n\nRomney先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Kwok先生，Yvette Wang目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Wang女士自至少2015起直至目前一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Wang女士自至少2015起直至目前一直担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Wang女士目前担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您知道Wang女士目前所在的地点，对吗？\n\n第34页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n问：Wang女士目前居住在何处？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Max Krasner目前是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n第35页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n问：其家庭住址是什么？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Krasner先生目前的电话号码是什么？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您知道如何联系Yvette Wang，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在您与Krasner（克拉斯纳）先生有关Lady May（“Lady May”号游艇）的一切往来中，他一直是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在您与Krasner先生有关的一切往来中，他一直作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Krasner先生目前仍作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您拥有Krasner先生目前的联系信息，包括其地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Krasner先生目前的——\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您没有将该信息与受托人共享，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nROMNEY先生：译员能否问一下证人是否需要休息。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您知道如何联系Krasner先生，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：Avi，你没听到我刚才记录在案的话吗？\n\nLUFT先生：Aaron，我没有听到你说的话。抱歉。\n\nROMNEY先生：哦，抱歉。我刚才问译员能否问一下证人是否需要休息。\n\n译员：哦，好的。\n\n第36页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n（照办。）\n\n证人：是的。这相当累人。我需要休息。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。Aaron，我还有大约两个问题，问完就结束这一部分。我们能先问完，然后再休息吗？\n\n证人：好的。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您目前知道Krasner先生的联系信息，包括地址和电话号码，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您没有将该信息与受托人共享，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nLUFT先生：Aaron，如果你现在想休息，也可以。你想休息多久？\n\nROMNEY先生：你想休息多久？五分钟、十分钟？\n\n证人：十分钟。\n\nROMNEY先生：十分钟？\n\nLUFT先生：当然。\n\n摄像记录员：我们于——停止记录。\n\n第37页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n摄像记录员：我们于上午11:47停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n摄像记录员：我们于下午12:05恢复记录。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，关于Lady May号的航行，您拥有最终决定权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您对Lady May号船员将游艇驶往何处拥有最终控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您曾指示于2020年将Lady May号从纽约驶往佛罗里达州，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May号于2020年秋季从纽约驶往佛罗里达州，是因为您指示如此行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您曾指示于2020年秋季将Lady May号从佛罗里达州驶往巴哈马，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第38页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May号于2020年秋季从佛罗里达州驶往巴哈马，是因为您指示船员如此行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您曾指示于2021年将Lady May号驶往欧洲，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May号于2021年驶往欧洲的原因，是您作出指示使其如此进行，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您指示将Lady May号驶往欧洲，是为了使Lady May号不落入您债权人之手，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May号一直留在欧洲，直到您授权其返回美国，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是唯一有权命令Lady May号返回美国的人，对吗？\n\n第39页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，当您指示Lady May号于2021年驶往欧洲时，您和您的女儿Mei Guo（郭美）知道，这样做会违反Ostrager（奥斯特拉格）法官的命令，并使您产生藐视法庭费用，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May号于2022年返回康涅狄格州水域，仅仅是因为您指示其如此行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您认识一名叫William Je（杰威廉）的人吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，William Je是亲密的家庭朋友，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您的女儿称Je先生为“William叔叔”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Je先生作为代理人行事，对吗？\n\n第40页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Je先生目前在您的商业交易中作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，2022年4月，Je先生——Je先生就Lady May号采取的任何行动，均是作为您的代理人所为，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Je先生就商业交易采取的任何行动，都是依您的指示作出的，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，就涉及您和Je先生的任何商业交易而言，Je先生受您控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Je先生依您的指示，通过使用Himalaya Farms（喜马拉雅农场）为您筹集资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，据称由William Je控制的任何资产，实际上均为受您控制的资产，对吗？\n\n第41页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n控制，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，据称由William Je控制的任何实体，实际上均为受您控制的实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，日期为April 19, 2022、由Himalaya International Financial Group Limited（喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司）作为出借人、HK USA（香港美国）作为借款人的贷款协议，是应您的要求安排的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您控制Himalaya International Financial Group Limited，对吗？\n\n证人：我现在想和我的律师谈谈。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。\n\nROMNEY先生：休息五分钟。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。\n\n摄像记录员：我们于下午12:17停止记录。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第42页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n（休庭。）\n\n摄像记录员：我们于下午12:24恢复记录。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的受益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的所有资产均受您控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Himalaya International Financial Group向HK USA出借的\\$37 million资金，是您拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您控制HK USA就本Chapter 11（第11章）案件存入托管账户的\\$37 million，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，HK USA偿还据称来自Himalaya International——的\\$37 million贷款的\\$37 million本金的任何款项——\n\n第43页\n\nH. Kwok\n\nFinancial Group Limited，均将支付给您控制的实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，HK USA就据称来自Himalaya International Financial Group Limited的\\$37 million贷款支付的任何利息，均将支付给您控制的实体，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在February 7, 2022，于New York State Supreme Court（纽约州最高法院）Ostrager法官面前举行的证据听证会上，您的利益在于法院认定HK USA是Lady May号的受益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对该问题提出异议。\n\n译员：我没听清。有人在问题之后说了些什么。\n\nROMNEY先生：能否将该问题宣读一遍。\n\nLUFT先生：我们能否把它翻译出来，然后——\n\nH. Kwok\n\n再将其宣读一遍。\n\n译员：（照办。）\n\nROMNEY先生：我们能否先听取对该问题的宣读？\n\n（记录员宣读了最后一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，HK USA和Mei Guo的律师出席了February 7, 2022的证据听证会，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，HK USA和Mei Guo的律师协助在February 7, 2022的听证会上提出您的辩护，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，HK USA和Mei Guo的律师在February 7, 2022的听证会上与您的律师合作，为准备和提出您的案件而工作，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第45页\n\nH. Kwok\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您曾指示您的律师，就February 7, 2022的证据听证会与HK USA和Mei Guo订立共同利益协议，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：我将基于律师—当事人特权指示证人不要回答。\n\nLUFT先生：Romney先生，您知道那是在申请前，因此任何共同利益均属于受托人，对吗？\n\nROMNEY先生：请记录员宣读该问题——请把该问题宣读一遍。\n\n（记录员宣读了最后一个问题。）\n\nROMNEY先生：你可以回答。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n由LUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在Ostrager法官面前举行的February 7, 2022证据听证会上，HK USA和Mei Guo与您具有相同的利益，即法院认定HK USA是Lady May号的受益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n罗姆尼先生（MR. ROMNEY）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生（MR. LUFT）询问：\n\n问：郭先生，你在与第11章破产申请相关提交的财产清单中，应当将你对Lady May（“五月夫人”号）的受益所有权列为破产财产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，你在与第11章破产申请相关提交的财产清单中，应当将你对HK USA（美国HK）的受益所有权列为破产财产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring（黄金泉）和Lamp Capital（蓝普资本）的任何被用于支付Lady May的费用（包括与其相关的任何律师费）的资产，都应当在你为第11章破产申请提交的财产清单中申报为破产财产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第48页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring持有的所有资产实际上都是你的破产财产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Lamp Capital持有的所有资产实际上都是你的破产财产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，以你儿子Mileson Kwok（迈尔森·郭）名义持有的所有资产实际上都是你的破产财产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，以你女儿Mei Guo（郭梅）名义持有的所有资产实际上都是你的破产财产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，以你妻子Hing Chi Ngok（兴志若）名义持有的所有资产实际上都是你的破产财产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第49页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，你曾指示设立位于BVI（英属维尔京群岛）、Hong Kong（香港）及其他地方的大量离岸公司，以持有你的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，你曾以你的子女、妻子及商业伙伴的名义设立这些离岸公司，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，无论这些实体是否以你的妻子、女儿、儿子、Ms. Wang（王女士）、Mr. Krasner（克拉斯纳先生）或你的任何其他商业伙伴的名义列示，事实上，你拥有并控制其中每一个离岸实体，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，你设立这些离岸实体的原因，是为了掩盖你对其所持资产的所有权，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第50页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，你设立这些离岸实体并将资产置于其中的原因，是试图向你的债权人隐匿你的资产，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，所有由你女儿Mei Guo担任成员、董事或主要负责人的实体，实际上均由你受益所有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，HK USA、HK International（国际HK）、Eastern Profit Corporation Limited（东方利润有限公司）、Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）、Anton Development Limited（安东开发有限公司）、Anton Development USA Limited LLC（安东开发美国有限责任公司）、GM27 LLC、Loss Draft LLC、Gypsy May Productions LLC、Gypsy May Food Service LLC、Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC、Hudson Diamond New York LLC、Allied Capital Global Limited（联合资本环球有限公司）、Creative Apex Investment Limited（创意顶峰投资有限公司）、Crystal Breeze Investments Limited（水晶微风投资有限公司）、Elite Well Global Limited（精英威尔环球有限公司）、Globalist International Limited（环球主义者国际有限公司）、Infinite Increased Limited（无限增长有限公司）、Infinium Developments Limited（英菲尼姆开发有限公司）、Noble Fame Global Limited（高贵名望环球有限公司）、Rosy Acme Ventures Limited（玫瑰顶峰创业有限公司）、Leading Shine New York Limited（领耀纽约有限公司）及Leading Shine Limited（领耀有限公司），均为以你女儿名义持有、但实际上由你拥有并控制的资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，以Mei Guo名义持有的所有资产，均是以完全由你拥有并控制的资金购得，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：在证人回答前，能否请记录员宣读刚才的问题。\n\n（书记员宣读了刚才的问题。）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，以Mei Guo名义持有的所有资产均完全由你拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2015年至今期间，用于支付与你有关的任何费用（包括但不限于生活费用和律师费）的资金，均非由Mei Guo及其拥有或控制的任何实体提供，对吗？\n\n第51页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n罗姆尼先生：抱歉。我们也能把刚才那个问题宣读一遍吗？抱歉。\n\n（书记员宣读了刚才的问题。）\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2015年至今期间，用于支付与你有关的任何费用（包括但不限于生活费用和律师费）的资金，均非由居住在中国的你的任何家庭成员提供，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo除从由你拥有并控制的实体获得收入外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第52页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo从你拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，都是你赠与她的款项，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo及以其名义设立的任何实体从你拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，即使在转移给Guo女士后，仍然是由你控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Mei Guo从未担任Pangu Plaza（盘古大观）的首席执行官，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mileson Kwok除从由你拥有并控制的实体获得收入外，没有其他收入来源，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，Mileson Kwok及以其名义设立的任何实体从你拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，即使在转移给Mileson Kwok后，仍然是由你控制的资金，对吗？\n\n第53页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Mileson Kwok从你拥有并控制的任何实体收到的任何资金，都是你赠与他的款项，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在2015年至今期间，用于支付与你有关的任何费用（包括但不限于生活费用和律师费）的资金，均非由Mileson Kwok及其拥有和控制的任何实体提供，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，所有由你儿子Mileson Kwok被列为成员、董事或主要负责人的实体，实际上均由你受益所有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide（TSG记录服务——全球） 877-702-9580\n\n共38页\n\n第54页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring New York Limited（黄金泉纽约有限公司）、Lamp Capital LLC、Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司）、Infinity Treasury Management, Inc.（无限财务管理公司）、Saraca Media Group, Inc.（萨拉卡传媒集团公司）、K Legacy Limited（K传承有限公司）、Well Origin Limited（良源有限公司）、ACA Hong Kong Investment Holdings Group Limited（ACA香港投资控股集团有限公司）及Powerwell Flowable Limited（动力流通有限公司），均以你儿子Miles Kwok（迈尔斯·郭）的名义持有，但事实上均由你拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，被称为Kingdom Rich Limited（富国有限公司）的实体由你拥有并控制，而非由你儿子拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，以你儿子Mileson Kwok名义持有的所有资产，均是以由你拥有并控制的资金购得，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，以你儿子Mileson Kwok名义持有的所有资产，事实上均由你拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n第55页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，这包括位于伦敦5 Princess Gate的住所，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，你拥有并控制你儿子Mileson Kwok的汽车收藏，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi，我们已经相当偏离本对抗程序中的争点了。我已经给予了相当大的余地，但我将不得不开始指示证人不予回答；如有必要，我们将申请保护令。\n\n我不认为我们今天在此讨论的反诉请求中有任何关于汽车的指称。\n\n卢夫特先生：我认为我不同意。但我这里还有几个收尾问题，然后我想我们将会——我想，你会看到——我不认为\n\n就其相关性而言，我们之间将会存在任何争议。\n\n卢夫特先生（MR. LUFT）：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok（郭迈尔森）名义持有的任何资产，均不由除您之外的任何其家庭成员拥有或控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生（MR. ROMNEY）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，以您儿子 Mileson Kwok名义持有的任何资产，均不是使用除您之外的任何其家庭成员拥有或控制的资金购买的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，2006年10月3日，您在香港注册成立了一家名为 Hong Kong International Funds Limited（香港国际基金有限公司）的实体，我们一直将其称为 HK International，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，当时 Hong Kong International 的所有资产都属于您，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，截至并包括 October 10, 2014，您是 Hong Kong International（香港国际）的唯一股东和董事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2014年10月，Natasha Qu（曲国娇），又名 Qu Guo Jiao（曲国娇），是您的财务经理，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：当时曲女士处理您的财务事务，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，当时曲女士是您的雇员，并且就与您财务有关的一切事项担任您的代理人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的、已标记为证物1的《信托声明》，将曲女士认定为受托人，并将您认定为该协议项下的受益人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，已标记为证物1的该《信托声明》——我将其称为“HK International 信托声明”——是与曲女士订立的——抱歉——该声明与曲女士订立，授权并要求曲女士持有您在 Hong Kong International 的股份，对吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：我将撤回该问题，因为我认为该问题表述得不够清楚。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，根据您与曲女士订立的 Hong Kong International 信托声明，您授权并要求曲女士以您的名义持有 Hong Kong International 的股份，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的 Hong Kong International 信托声明规定，您转让给曲女士的股份并不属于曲女士，而是属于您，作为该协议项下的受益人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，您与曲女士订立的 HK International 信托声明规定，曲女士将作为代名人为您以信托方式持有您转让给她的 Hong Kong International 股份，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，根据您与曲女士订立的 HK International 信托声明，曲女士仅应依照您的指示行使与您转让给她的 HK International 股份有关的权利，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，即使在 October 10, 2014 之后，您仍根据未披露的 HK International 信托声明实益拥有 HK International，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。此外，已问已答。\n\n证人：已问已答。好的。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，在 October 10, 2014 之后，您仍控制 HK International，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。已问已答。\n\n答：我相当困惑。您问的是同样的问题。每次都是同样的问题，一遍又一遍。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，我不认为是这样。您的律师可以提出已问已答的异议，尽管这不是在证言录取中适当的异议。话虽如此，他可以提出该异议，但我仍需要您回答问题。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月23日，HK International 按照您的指示，以 EUR 28 million 从 Apsley Yacht Limited（阿普斯利游艇有限公司）购买 Lady May（梅夫人号），对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月，您独占地实益拥有并控制 Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司），对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，截至今日，您仍实益拥有并控制 Bravo Luck Limited，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，2015年2月23日，Bravo Luck Limited 按照您的指示，从您独占控制的 UBS（瑞银）一处 Bravo Luck 银行账户转出资金，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请求法庭记录员将带有 Bates 编号 UBS00137 至 156 的文件标记为 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 2。\n\nWill（威尔），那是标签190，如果您能把它展示出来。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR Exhibit 2 已作为识别用证物收下并标记。）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：您能把它放大一些吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，这是 Bravo Luck 的一份2015年 UBS 银行对账单，显示您在该账户中实益拥有并控制的资金，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，UBS 代表您持有的该 Bravo Luck 账户中的资金，来自 Eastern Profit Corporation（东益公司）的 370 million 和 Hong Kong International 的 150 million；这两个实体均由您拥有和控制，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请求法庭记录员将带有 Bates 编号 UBS02746 的文件标记为 Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 3。\n\n（截至本日，Kwok PJR Exhibit 3 已作为识别用证物收下并标记。）\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：这显示了为购买 Lady May 而进行的 25 million UBS 电汇吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：那是个问题吗？我不知道您是在说话。\n\n卢夫特先生：我只是在铺垫。等他能看见后，我会问他一个问题，Aaron（亚伦）。\n\n罗姆尼先生：是，是。我只是想澄清一下。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：好。我不想在他看见文件之前问他这个问题。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。\n\n请把它再放大一点。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，首先，如果我们向下滚动，您认得文件上的签名吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，那是您的签名，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是一份 UBS 电汇文件，显示从我们刚才在证物2中看到其对账单的 UBS 银行账户转出 $25 million 资金，这些资金被用于为您购买 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi（阿维），这份证物2是否已向本对抗程序中的各方当事人提供？\n\n卢夫特先生：我需要就此回复您。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：郭先生，您对我们一直在讨论的 UBS 银行账户拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的儿子 Mileson Kwok 未参与任何与 HK International 收购 Lady May 有关的交易，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：Aaron，现在是1:22。你们想休息吃午饭吗？还是想继续？\n\n我也顾及法庭记录员和摄像师——以及译员。\n\n抱歉，Jingyi（静怡）。\n\n罗姆尼先生：您预计今天剩余部分还要多长时间？\n\n（庭外进行了讨论。）\n\n摄像师：我们将在下午1:22停止记录。\n\n（下午1:22，进行了午餐休庭。）\n\n（下午2:00，证言录取恢复进行。）\n\n下午场次\n\n摄像师：我们于下午2:00恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生：\n\n问：下午好，郭先生。\n\nLady May，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，拟议方案下的游艇出资实际上并非由 HK USA（美国香港国际）作出的出资，因为您的财产已经实益拥有并控制 Lady May，对吗？\n\n答：下午好。\n\n罗姆尼先生（MR. ROMNEY）：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n问：郭文贵先生（Ho Wan Kwok），您熟悉在您的第11章案件中提交的拟议第11章计划，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生（MR. LUFT）：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您知道美国HK（HK USA）对您提起了一项对抗诉讼程序，主张“Lady May”号游艇（Lady May）的所有权，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您知道，根据由您的布朗·鲁德尼克律师事务所（Brown Rudnick）律师提出并提交的计划，其中提及所谓的“游艇出资”，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，根据该游艇出资计划，其中规定将“Lady May”号游艇出资给一个债权人信托，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在包括游艇出资在内的第11章计划被提出时，您是该计划项下的实益所有人，并控制了由您的律师以及美国HK律师共同拟定的联合计划，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您在这些程序中由一名名为艾伦·米切尔（Aaron Mitchell）的人代理，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：米切尔先生同时担任美国HK和郭美（Mei Guo）的律师，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：就米切尔先生在对抗诉讼中代表您处理您的第11章程序、并代表美国HK和郭美处理与第11章程序相关事宜而言，您认为不存在利益冲突，因为您实益拥有并控制您的破产财产、美国HK以及“Lady May”号游艇，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：我请求将郭PJR证言证物第4号（Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit 4）——让我撤回该说法。\n\n我请求将ECF299——即强制HK国际基金投资（美国）有限公司，LLC（HK International Funds Investments (USA) Limited, LLC）运输并交付该特定游艇“Lady May”号的约定裁定——标记为郭PJR证言证物第4号（Kwok PJR Deposition Exhibit No. 4），并向证人出示。\n\n（郭PJR证物第4号（Kwok PJR Exhibit 4）于本日收为并标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您已通过您的律师同意受该裁定约束，对吗？\n\n答：我不懂英语。\n\n问：我的问题是，您是否指示您的律师同意您将受该已标记为证物第4号的约定裁定约束？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您指示美国HK的律师同意受该协议约束，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，作为美国HK的实益所有人和控制人，您指示您的女儿同意受该协议约束，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您同意由威廉·杰（William Je）于April 13, 2022汇付$37 million作为保证金缴纳，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，杰先生的——让我撤回该说法。\n\n郭文贵先生，喜马拉雅资本（Himalaya Capital）与美国HK之间的贷款协议，即您拥有并控制的两个实体之间的贷款协议，于April 19, 2022达成，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您指示美国HK和喜马拉雅资本双方订立该$37 million贷款协议，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，抱歉。我一直将其称为“喜马拉雅国际资本”。我所指的是喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司（Himalaya International Financial Group Limited）。\n\n这一更正会改变您的任何回答吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：为明确起见，郭文贵先生，您在April 2022拥有并控制喜马拉雅国际金融集团，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：已问已答。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，证物第4号即强制HK国际基金投资运输并交付“Lady May”号游艇的约定裁定中所列条款，与您决定让喜马拉雅国际金融集团向美国HK贷款$37 million无关，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您本会——抱歉。让我撤回该说法。\n\n郭文贵先生，无论就强制返还“Lady May”号游艇的约定裁定将达成何种条款，美国HK均是在您的指示下与喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司订立了$37 million贷款，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：我可以请人重读该问题吗？\n\n证人：抱歉。我想我——也许我午餐吃了不好的东西。我感到不适，需要去洗手间，而且可能要花一段时间。\n\n卢夫先生：郭文贵先生，没问题。您先处理您需要处理的事情，您回来时我会在这里。\n\n录像员：我们于2:18 p.m.停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于2:27 p.m.恢复记录。\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，在喜马拉雅国际金融集团有限公司之前，拟向美国HK出借$37 million的一方——该实体——是ACA资本集团有限公司（ACA Capital Group Limited），对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是ACA资本集团有限公司的唯一实益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您对ACA资本集团有限公司拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是ACA资本集团有限公司全部资产的实益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，郭文贵先生，您对ACA资本集团有限公司的资产拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您对Saraca媒体集团有限公司（Saraca Media Group Limited）拥有独占控制权，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您对Saraca媒体集团拥有唯一实益所有权，对吗？\n\n郭文贵先生，您拥有唯一实益——您是Saraca媒体集团的唯一实益所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您汇付$37 million作为保证金的原因，是为了使您免于入狱，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，因为您有免于入狱的动机，无论与其返还相关的任何条款或“Lady May”号游艇抵达后将如何处理，您都会汇付$37 million作为保证金缴纳，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫先生：郭文贵先生，我想向您出示我将标记为一项证物的内容，即来自Vice（Vice）的一个视频，我将请我的同事播放。其将标记为证物第5号。\n\n（郭PJR证物第5号（Kwok PJR Exhibit 5）于本日收为并标记供识别。）\n\n证人：有问题吗？\n\n卢夫先生：抱歉，郭文贵先生，没有。没有任何声音。一旦我能让它播放，我会问您一个问题。\n\n有人听到声音吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：我们没有听到任何声音。\n\n法默先生（MR. FARMER）：声音有问题。抱歉。\n\n卢夫先生：威尔（Will），慢慢来。\n\n证人：没有声音。\n\n法默先生：在这种情况下，我们可能需要回到该证物，并研究如何调整音频。\n\n卢夫先生：我们何不先不带声音播放一遍，我们会尽力处理，威尔，您可以着手处理。\n\n威尔，您可以播放证物第5号吗？\n\n法默先生：（照办。）\n\n（播放无声视频。）\n\n卢夫先生：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您认出您是该视频中的其中一人吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，虽然我们听不到音频，但字幕中反复提到您说——提到“我的游艇”，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：而且，郭文贵先生，您向Vice新闻（Vice News）的采访者提及“我的游艇”时所指的游艇是“Lady May”号游艇，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，证物第5号看来是您接受Vice新闻采访的真实、准确副本，对吗？\n\n第76页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：威尔，请你播放下一段视频。我们将其标记为证物6。\n\n（截至本日，郭文贵 PJR 证物6已接收并标记供识别。）\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您是证物6视频中说话的那个人，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，视频拍摄时您在Lady May（“梅女士”号）船上，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这段视频制作于2022年11月，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这段视频发布在您拥有并控制的Vetter（音译）社交媒体网络上，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，被标记为证物6的视频，是您于2022年11月在Lady May号甲板上讲话的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n第77页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：威尔，请你播放下一段视频，我们将其标记为郭文贵PJR证言证物7。\n\n（截至本日，郭文贵PJR证物7已接收并标记供识别。）\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，该视频中说话的人是您，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，视频中的内容是您接受的一次采访的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，视频中您谈到出售Lady May号，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，视频中您谈到您于2015年购买Lady May号时，该船当时被交付至迈阿密，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自2015年以来，Lady May号一直在美国境内，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n共38页\n\n第78页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在Lady May号位于美国期间，您始终都在美国境内，对吗？\n\n我撤回这个问题。\n\n郭先生，自2015年以来，您一直居住在美国境内，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您的女儿Mei Guo（郭美）直到2017年才来到美国，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，2015年购买Lady May号时，该船并未交付至Mei Guo居住的地点，而是事实上交付至您居住的美国，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，自该船于2015年交付至迈阿密至2017年6月期间，您经常使用该船——您经常登上并驾驶Lady May号航行，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第79页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n问：郭先生，在此期间，您的女儿Mei Guo从未登上Lady May号，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在2015年至2017年6月期间对Lady May号的使用，与您自2017年6月至今对Lady May号的使用没有任何不同，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n证人：王女士，我又要去洗手间了。我感到不舒服。\n\n卢夫特先生：我们休息一下，方便您去。\n\n证人：我真的很抱歉。\n\n卢夫特先生：不。请您照顾好自己。\n\n录像员：我们于下午2:49停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：我们于下午2:54恢复记录。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，我将请我的同事重新展示证物5，据悉我们现在有该证物的音频。\n\n第80页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n法默先生：请稍候。\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，现在您已经听到该视频的音频，您是否同意那是您接受Vice News（Vice新闻）采访的真实准确副本？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在证物5的视频中听到多次提及“我的游艇”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您在证物5中反复称为“我的游艇”的游艇，是Lady May号，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：我将请我的同事威尔·法默展示下一段视频，我们将其标记为本次证言的证物8。\n\n（截至本日，郭文贵PJR证物8已接收并标记供识别。）\n\n（播放带音频的视频。）\n\n第81页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，在该通话视频的左上角，您看到自己了吗？您下方显示的名字是Miles（迈尔斯）？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您进行的一次通话的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在该通话中，您告诉参与者，如果他们有任何问题，应当联系William Je（威廉·杰），对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在您进行的这段通话视频中，您告诉参与者，如果他们有关于向您拥有并控制的实体转移资金的问题，应当与您的代理人William Je交谈，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：威尔，请你——我请你将下一份证物标记为证物9，我相信那是一则日期为May 10, 2017的推文。\n\n（截至本日，郭文贵PJR证物9已接收并标记供识别。）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n共38页\n\n第82页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您认得出该证物中的自己吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这是您发布的推文的真实准确副本，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这则日期为May 10, 2017的推文中，您称您正在发布“我送给我女儿并以她名字命名的游艇”的照片，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这则推文中，您还写道“我以EUR 41 million购买了Lady May号”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，若我们向下滚动，您看到下面还有一则日期为August 27, 2017的推文吗？\n\n您看到了吗，郭先生？\n\n答：王女士，问题是什么？\n\n问：您是否看到了下方日期为August 27, 2017的推文，即包含您照片的那则推文下方的推文？\n\n第83页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：您看到了吗——郭先生，这是您于August 27, 2017发布的推文的真实准确副本？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这则推文中，您将Lady May号称为“我的船”，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，这些文字是您写的，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，在这则推文中，您还写道：“这是两年前，当我在迈阿密时，当时我刚刚签署了我一生中最重要的投资合同”，并带有感叹号。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您与谁签署了您一生中最重要的投资合同？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您是代表自己签署该投资合同，并非作为任何他人的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n第84页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n问：郭先生，您如何处置了因签署该投资合同而获得的资产？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一家名为“HCHK Property Management Inc.（HCHK物业管理公司）”的实体，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，为作记录，就我今天向您展示的视频证物而言，如果我将这些视频描述为真实正确的录像，而非真实正确的副本，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：在这个问题中，问题是什么？\n\n问：就我们今天查看的视频证物，即证物5、6、7和8而言，我询问您它们是否为真实正确的副本。\n\n我想知道的是，如果我同样询问您它们是否为这些视频的真实准确录像，您的回答不会改变，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，您拥有并控制一家名为“HCHK Technologies Inc.（HCHK技术公司）”的公司，对吗？\n\n口译员：HCHK Technologies, Inc.，这是公司的名称吗？\n\n第85页\n\nH. Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n卢夫特先生：是，女士。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，一名名为Elliot Dordick（埃利奥特·多迪克）的人与HCHK Technologies, Inc.和HCHK Property Management, Inc.有关联，对吗？\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n问：郭先生，多迪克先生就本案中的Chapter 11 trustee（第11章受托人）所作出和采取的一切行为及陈述，（听不清），均是在您的指示和控制下作出的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：我要提出异议。再次，我们似乎已经远远超出本对抗程序中任何事项的范围。\n\n继续回答这个问题，但除非提出证据要约，否则我将开始指示证人不要回答这一系列问题。\n\n继续。\n\n答：援引第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：郭先生，除Lady May号外，您还拥有并控制一艘名为Lady May II（“梅女士二号”）的第二艘船，对吗？\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nYVer1f\n\n共38页\n\n第86页 第87页\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May II（玛雅二号）与Lady May（玛雅号）一样，也是您遗产的一项资产，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May II目前位于何处？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）此前曾担任您的律师，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Podhaskie先生是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Podhaskie先生曾作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Podhaskie先生作为Golden Spring（金泉）的律师所采取的一切行动，事实上均是在您的指示下并为了您的利益而采取的行动，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Daniel Podhaskie就Golden Spring、Leading Shine Limited（Leading Shine有限公司）、Saraca Media Group（萨拉卡传媒集团）、Rule of Law Society（法治协会）以及Sherry-Netherland（谢里—内瑟兰）公寓所采取的一切行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Anthony D'Battista（安东尼·德巴蒂斯塔）也是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：D'Battista先生就其与Saraca Media中的所有G实体有关的工作，作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n（记录员澄清。）\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，D'Battista先生作为您的代理人，并在您的指示下，就其与G实体有关的一切活动行事；我所指的是G Fashion（G时尚）、G Music（G音乐）、G Club（G俱乐部）、Getter（盖特）以及Saraca Media，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您知道Fiona Yu（菲奥娜·余）是谁，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：您指示Fiona Yu在就向您的律师Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯）寻求与向您的债权人隐匿Lady May有关的法律意见时，作为您的代理人发言，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，同样地，Yu女士就ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司）采取的一切行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您任命Fiona Yu为ACA Capital Group Limited的公司秘书；该实体由您拥有并控制，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Karen Maistrello（凯伦·梅斯特雷洛）是另一名就您的商业交易作为您的代理人行事的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：为记录起见，Maistrello拼写为M-A-I-S-T-R-E-L-L-O。\n\n证人：我需要回答吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：不需要。我只是向法庭记录员提供该信息，郭文贵先生。您无需作任何事情。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Maistrello女士是您的雇员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您知道一名名叫Han Chunguang（韩春光）的人吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Eastern Profit Limited（东方利润有限公司）是以您女儿Mei Guo（郭梅）的名义登记的实体，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Chunguang先生就Eastern Profit所采取的一切行动，均是在您的指示下采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Chunguang先生就与您有关的任何实体相关的一切事务，作为您的代理人行事，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：我将提出异议。我们再次远远偏离了HK对立程序中相对狭窄的反复指控范围。\n\n卢夫特先生：我不同意。这是以Guo女士名义登记的另一个实体。\n\n罗姆尼先生：另一个实体？\n\n卢夫特先生：对。这与一种活动模式和惯例相一致。\n\n罗姆尼先生：您可以回答这个问题。我想，我们已经偏离得很远了；我尚未指示证人不回答问题。基于相关性，我告诉您，这个问题已经非常接近界限了。请继续。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：我向Han先生致歉。有人告诉我，Han是他的姓氏。\n\n郭文贵先生，当我说Han Chunguang时，您明白我所指的是谁，即Han是其姓氏，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：作出该澄清后，郭文贵先生，这是否会改变您此前就Han Chunguang先生所作出的任何回答？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Lady May并不是您所拥有和控制、且以您女儿名义登记的唯一一辆车辆，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您作为受益所有人拥有并控制Whitecroft Shores Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）；该公司是一家以您女儿名义登记的英属维尔京群岛公司，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：刚才那句音频不清楚。\n\n卢夫特先生：当然。我很乐意再问一遍。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您作为受益所有人拥有并控制Whitecroft Shore Limited（怀特克罗夫特海岸有限公司）；该公司是一家以您女儿Mei Guo名义登记的英属维尔京群岛公司，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您将您的资产Bombardier Global XRS（庞巴迪Global XRS）飞机，序列号9189，置入Whitecroft Shore Limited名下，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，尽管该飞机始终登记在Whitecroft Shore Limited名下，您仍是该飞机的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您同样是空中客车ACJ319的受益所有人并控制该飞机，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，用于购买Bombardier Global XRS和空中客车ACJ319的全部资金均属于您，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n罗姆尼先生：Avi，我确实认为我们需要继续往下进行。我明白您的观点，也理解您的观点。您是在试图证明某种行为过程。我并不是说我同意，但我理解您在做什么。不过，我认为深入追问多个实体的多层级问题，而且问题几乎完全相同，已经变得极其重复，超出了Rule 26的范围，并且正在达到类似骚扰行为的程度。\n\n我这样说并非不敬；我只是这么说，以便我们今天之后都能继续生活，或者继续今天的安排，因为这已经极其超出范围。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。我听到了您的观点。我不同意您的看法。话虽如此，我认为您理解我试图说明的要点，以及我为何认为这很相关。\n\n我会尽量加快进度。我认为剩下的不多了，我会尽量迅速完成。\n\n罗姆尼先生：谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生：再问几个实体和几个人，我想我们就可以了。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您熟悉一名叫Zhang Wei（张伟）的人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Zhang Wei就与您有关的任何资产或实体所采取的任何行动，均是在您的指示下并受您控制而采取的，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Zhang Wei从未是Genever Holdings LLC（Genever Holdings有限责任公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\n（记录员澄清。）\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：Zhang Wei从未是Genever，G-E-N-E-V-E-R，Holdings LLC的所有人，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对该问题提出异议。该问题涉及另一正在进行的程序，而Guo女士和HKI显然已经是该程序的当事方。这超出了本对立程序的范围。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：您可以回答，郭文贵先生。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，我们此前谈到过Bravo Luck Limited（布拉沃幸运有限公司）。\n\nZhang Wei先生从未是Bravo Luck Limited的所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：关于此事的最后一个问题，然后我就继续。\n\nZhang Wei先生从未是Genever Holdings Corporation（Genever Holdings股份有限公司）的所有人，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您是Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治地产有限责任公司）的受益所有人并控制该公司，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：我将提出异议，并指示证人不要回答。该实体与本对立程序中的任何当事方毫无关联。\n\n卢夫特先生：Aaron，让我先奠定更多基础，然后希望您会理解，好吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）和Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）均代表您以Golden Spring相关身份，就Lady May采取了行动，对吗？\n\n罗姆尼先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，Krasner先生和Wang女士同时也在Greenwich Land LLC任职，对吗？\n\n证人：抱歉。我又得去洗手间。我的肚子又在发出一些声音。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。郭文贵先生，我只需要您回答这个问题，因为在问题尚未回答时我们不能休息；不过随后我会让您休息。\n\n答：我刚刚已经回答了这个问题，第五修正案。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。我们休息一下，您可以去洗手间。\n\n录像员：我们停止录制。\n\n“协议。”该文件位于标签211。\n\n（Kwok PJR Exhibit 10于本日期获接收并标记以供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生：Will，请翻到最后一页。\n\n卢夫特先生继续询问：\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭文贵先生，您在本页——最后一页——上看到了您的签名吗？\n\n记录于下午3:37结束。\n\n答：依据第五修正案。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n问：Kwok先生（郭文贵），这份信托协议——\n\n录像员：现于下午3:43恢复记录。\n\n问：Kwok先生（郭文贵），我再问您一次，您是Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）的实益所有人并对其拥有控制权，对吗？\n\n问：Kwok先生（郭文贵），这份信托协议，即被标记为证物10的所谓信托协议，在2015年3月6日购买Sherry-Netherland公寓完成交割时并不存在，对吗？\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：Will，如果您能将一份标题为“Declaration of Trust”的文件标记为Kwok PJR证言证物10——Will，如果您能——\n\nRomney先生（罗姆尼）：我提出异议。该文件再次成为争议的标的。\n\n该文件在另一项对抗程序中直接构成争议事项，而在场各方并非该程序的当事人。\n\n我认为该文件与HK USA或Guo女士（郭文贵）毫无任何重要性或相关性。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：好，签订Bravo Luck Limited（好运有限公司）协议的实体，与据称为购买Lady May和Sherry-Netherland公寓提供资金的实体是同一实体。我认为这与本案直接相关。我很乐意不在此花费太多时间，但我希望得到对我的问题的回答。\n\n答：依据第五修正案。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：Kwok先生（郭文贵），我们休息五分钟吧。我可能已经问完了。所以让我核对一下我的笔记。可以吗？\n\n录像员：现于下午3:47停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：现于下午3:54恢复记录。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：Kwok先生（郭文贵），您的律师和我讨论过这样的设想：如果法院同意，可以用这份证言笔录代替您在PJR听证会上作出现场证言。我希望法院会同意。\n\n问：但我只想问，如果无论出于何种原因，您必须在本次听证会上作出现场证言，并且被问到与今天问您的完全相同的问题，您会作出相同的回答吗？\n\nRomney先生（罗姆尼）：我是否理解正确：该问题假定不存在异议，或者不存在未被维持的异议？\n\n这是否是对该问题的恰当限定？\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：我的问题假定您并未放弃对您今天提出异议的任何问题提出异议的权利。\n\nRomney先生（罗姆尼）：谢谢。\n\n口译员：证人刚才说了“是”。那没有被口译。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：好的。\n\n问：为明确起见，Kwok先生（郭文贵），您对我问题的回答是“是”吗？\n\n答：是。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：Kwok先生（郭文贵），我目前没有其他问题要问您。非常感谢您今天给我们的时间。\n\nRomney先生（罗姆尼）：谢谢。我没有要问证人的问题。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：常规订购。\n\nRomney先生（罗姆尼）：我们要一份副本，但不要速记稿。\n\nSong女士（宋女士）：同样。\n\nRomney先生（罗姆尼）：我们还将索取一份录像副本。\n\n证人：我想借此机会也感谢——向今天在场的各位致谢。很抱歉，因为我感觉不舒服，所以浪费了大家相当多的时间。\n\n但我想感谢大家提出的所有专业问题，也想向各位口译员表示感谢，包括Wang女士（王女士）和Luyi，以及法庭记录员、今天在场的所有律师和我们的录像员。\n\n我还想请你们向信托和Luc先生转达我的问候。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特）：我一定会转达这些问候，Kwok先生（郭文贵），并且我也要向法庭记录员、录像员和译员致谢，他们今天都完成了非常出色的工作。谢谢。\n\n录像员：至此，证言录取结束。现于下午3:59停止记录。\n\n（证言录取继续——下一页）\n\n（记录时间：下午3:59）\n\n____________________________\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）\n\n在我面前宣誓并签署，\n于2023年_____月_____日。\n\n_______________________\n\n第102页\n\n证 明\n\n康涅狄格州）\n ）ss\n\n本人，Angela M. Shaw-Crockett（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特），纽约州、新泽西州及康涅狄格州内的注册法庭记录员、注册优异记录员及公证人，特此证明：\n\n上述证言笔录所载证人HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）已由本人依法宣誓，该证言笔录为该证人所作证言的真实记录。\n\n本人进一步证明，本人与本案任何当事人之间不存在血缘或婚姻关系，且本人对本案结果不具有任何利害关系。\n\n兹证明，本人于2023年3月2日在此签名。\n\nANGELA M. SHAW-CROCKETT（安吉拉·M·肖-克罗克特），CCR、CRR、RMR、CSR\n执照编号XI00218400\n\n第103页\n\n目 录\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特） 7\n\n证 物\n（由法庭记录员保管）\n\n证言录取 证物 页码\n\n证物1 信托声明 19\n\n证物2 UBS账户对账单，Bravo Luck Ltd.，Bates编号UBS00137 62\n\n证物3 电汇，2015年3月15日，Bates编号UBS02746 63\n\n证物4 约定命令 69\n\n证物5 Vice视频 74\n\n证物6 视频 76\n\n证物7 视频 77\n\n证物8 视频 80\n\n证物9 推文，日期为May 10, 2017 82\n\n证物10 信托声明及协议 97\n\n第104页\n\n案件名称：In Re: Ho Wan Kwok（关于：郭文贵）\n\n证言录取日期：March 2, 2023\n\n证人姓名：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）\n\n理由代码：\n\n1. 澄清记录。\n\n2. 与事实相符。\n\n3. 更正誊录错误。\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n第_______页 第________行 理由_________\n\n自______________________至___________________________\n\n__________________________________\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide（TSG全球记录服务） 877-702-9580","key_entities":["Kwok","Je","Guo","Himalaya","Ho Wan Kwok","William Je","Saraca","CIPA","HCHK","Paul Hastings"],"ecf_references":[{"doc_number":299,"court":"CTB"}],"word_count":30013,"status":"published","published_at":null,"created_at":null,"updated_at":"2026-08-23 23:20:19"}