{"id":"court_ctb_2292_36","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":2292,"sub_number":36,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2023-10-26","title":"Exhibit 36 800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"### **Exhibit 36**\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 2 of 142 MEI GUO IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., September 13, 2023 1\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n 2 Wednesday, September 13, 2023 3 10:00 a.m. 6 REMOTE Deposition of MEI GUO, held VIA ZOOM, before LISA M. MURACO, a Notary Public of the State of New York, Florida, and Massachusetts. IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 800.211.DEPO (3376)\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n3\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 2 A P P E A R A N C E S: 3 (REMOTE) 4 5 PAUL HASTINGS 6 Attorneys for Movant and Cross-Respondent 7 Mr. Luc A. Despins, Chapter 11 Trustee for 8 the Estate of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 9 200 Park Avenue 10 New York NY 10166 11 BY: AVRAM LUFT, ESQ. 12 Aviluft@paulhastings.com 13 NICHOLAS BASSETT, ESQ. 14 Nicholasbassett@paulhastings.com 15 EZRA SUTTON, ESQ. 16 Ezrasutton@paulhastings.com 17 DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ. 18 Douglassbarron@paulhastings.com 19 LUYI SONG, ESQ. 20 Luyisong@paulhastings.com 21 22 23 24 25\n\n\n\nMEI GUO\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n## Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 5 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 2 A P P E A R A N C E S: 3 (REMOTE) 4 5 MEISTER SEELIG & FEIN 6 Attorneys for Defendants Greenwich LLC and 7 Hing Chi Ngok 8 125 Park Avenue 9 7th Floor 10 New York, NY 10017 11 BY: AUSTIN KIM, ESQ. 12 Adk@msf-law.com 13 14 15 DAY PITNEY LLP 16 Attorneys for the Witness 17 One Stamford Plaza, 263 18 Tresser Blvd 19 7th Floor 20 Stamford, CT 06901 21 BY: STANLEY A. TWARDY, ESQ. 22 Satwardy@daypitney.com 23 24 25 IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 4\n\n\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\n A P P E A R A N C E S: (REMOTE) 6 CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI 7 Attorneys for Witness 8 One Boland Drive 9 West Orange NJ 07052 10 BY: LEE VARTAN, ESQ. 11 Lvartan@csglaw.com 12 MELISSA WERNICK, ESQ. Also Present: Echo, Mandarin Interpreter IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 800.211.DEPO (3376)\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 7 of\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\nYVer1f\n\nMEI GUO\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n| 1 | |\n|----|--------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED |\n| 3 | by and between the attorneys for the |\n| 4 | respective parties herein, that filing and |\n| 5 | sealing be and the same are hereby waived. |\n| 6 | IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED |\n| 7 | that all objections, except as to the form |\n| 8 | of the question, shall be reserved to the |\n| 9 | time of the trial. |\n| 10 | IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED |\n| 11 | that the within deposition may be sworn to |\n| 12 | and signed before any officer authorized |\n| 13 | to administer an oath, with the same |\n| 14 | force and effect as if signed and sworn |\n| 15 | to before the Court. |\n| 16 | |\n| 17 | |\n| 18 | |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | - oOo - |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n7\n\n10:17\n\n10:18\n\n10:18\n\n10:18\n\nYVer1f\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\nMEI GUO\n\n·\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | E C H O, was duly sworn to interpret the |\n| 3 | questions from English into Mandarin, and the |\n| 4 | answers from Mandarin into English. |\n| 5 | M E I
G U O, called as a witness, having been |\n| 6 | duly sworn by a Notary Public, was examined and |\n| 7 | testified through the interpreter as follows: |\n| 8 | MR. LUFT:
Thank you.
Do we have to |\n| 9 | do appearances or do we have them on the |\n| 10 | record already? |\n| 11 | THE COURT REPORTER:
I have them on |\n| 12 | the record already, but if counsel wants to |\n| 13 | do them, it's fine. |\n| 14 | MR. LUFT:
That's fine with me. |\n| 15 | EXAMINATION BY |\n| 16 | MR. LUFT: |\n| 17 | Q.
Good morning, Ms. Guo.
How are you? |\n| 18 | A.
I am quite good.
Thank you. |\n| 19 | Q.
Good.
Ms. Guo, I've deposed you |\n| 20 | before, so I know you are familiar with this, |\n| 21 | but if you'll bear with me, let's just go over |\n| 22 | a couple of basics for today. |\n| 23 | A.
Okay. |\n| 24 | Q.
Ms. Guo, your counsel has informed |\n| 25 | the counsel for the parties in this case prior |\n| | |\n| | |\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:19\n\n10:19\n\n10:20\n\n10:20\n\n10:21\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 to your deposition that you intend to assert 3 your Fifth Amendment rights to all substantive 4 questions. 5 Is that your understanding of your 6 intention for today? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. That's fine. 9 But just as we had at the court 10 hearing in August, I need to make my record. 11 So I'm still going to need to ask you a series 12 of questions, after which your counsel, if 13 intends to, will instruct you to assert the 14 Fifth, or you can just assert your Fifth 15 Amendment rights, and then we can move on. 16 Do you understand that will be the 17 process today then? 18 A. I understand. 19 Q. And you understand that you are 20 testifying under oath today? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Whether it's answering a question or 23 asserting your Fifth Amendment rights, you have 24 an obligation to testify truthfully, correct. 25 Do you understand that? IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 8\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 10 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:21\n\n10:21\n\n10:22\n\n10:22\n\n10:23\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | A.
I understand. |\n| 3 | Q.
Ms. Guo, if for any reason you don't |\n| 4 | understand one of my questions, will you let me |\n| 5 | know? |\n| 6 | A.
I will. |\n| 7 | Q.
And if you -- do we have an |\n| 8 | understanding that if you don't let me know |\n| 9 | that you don't understand one of my question, |\n| 10 | it's fair for me to assume that you do |\n| 11 | understand it? |\n| 12 | A.
Yes. |\n| 13 | Q.
Ms. Guo, did you do anything to |\n| 14 | prepare for your deposition today? |\n| 15 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 16 | Q.
I forgot to ask you one more basic |\n| 17 | question. |\n| 18 | Ms. Guo, is there any reason you can |\n| 19 | not offer truthful testimony today? |\n| 20 | A.
No. |\n| 21 | Q.
Did you review any documents to |\n| 22 | prepare for your deposition today? |\n| 23 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 24 | Q.
Ms. Guo, who is representing you |\n| 25 | here today? |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:23\n\n10:29\n\n10:30\n\n10:30\n\n10:30\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 A. Lee Vartan and Stanley Twardy, 3 Hearty, Twardy. 4 THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, sir. 5 MR. LUFT: We know Stan's name. 6 We're okay. 7 Lisa, just so you know, the 8 realtime, it's not working for some reason. 9 (Discussion held off the record.) 10 BY MR. LUFT: 11 Q. I think my last question was you 12 told me who was representing you. 13 Ms. Guo, have you ever spoken with 14 Austin Kim before today? 15 MR. KIM: I want to interject here 16 for one second. To the extent that you are 17 asking if a conversation ever happened as a 18 yes, no, I don't have an objection to that. 19 MR. LUFT: That's what I'm asking. 20 I'm just -- it's yes, no, have you ever 21 spoken to Austin Kim. 22 MR. KIM: If it's just a yes, no, 23 then I don't have an objection to that. To 24 the extent that you are getting into any 25 substance, if you are, then I'll raise a IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 10\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 12 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:30\n\n10:31\n\n10:31\n\n10:31\n\n10:32\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 separate objection once you ask that 3 question. 4 MR. LUFT: My question right now is 5 just that she's ever spoken to you before 6 today. 7 A. The answer is Fifth Amendment. 8 Q. I'm not asking about any substance. 9 I just want to know if you've ever spoken with 10 Mr. Kim, who is counsel for the defendants, 11 prior to today? 12 MR. TWARDY: Objection. Asked and 13 answered. She's already invoked. 14 MR. LUFT: I don't think that's a 15 reasonable invocation of the Fifth 16 Amendment. 17 MR. KIM: You can certainly make 18 application to the court. 19 MR. LUFT: Mr. Kim? 20 BY MR. LUFT: 21 Q. Have you ever spoken with Mr. Kim's 22 partner Chris Major prior to today? 23 A. Fifth Amendment. 24 Q. Have you ever been represented by 25 Mr. Kim, Mr. Major, and their law firm? IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 11\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 13 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:33\n\n10:33\n\n10:33\n\n10:34\n\n10:34\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 3 | Q.
Please tell me everything you've |\n| 4 | spoken to Mr. Kim about prior to today? |\n| 5 | MR. KIM:
I'm going to object here |\n| 6 | for just one second here.
Object to the |\n| 7 | form and also instruct the witness to the |\n| 8 | extent that she was acting in the capacity |\n| 9 | to interpret, then I would advise the |\n| 10 | witness not to answer, based on the |\n| 11 | privilege of the defendants, but the |\n| 12 | witness is free to raise her own objection |\n| 13 | as well. |\n| 14 | MR. VARTAN:
And I'm going to join |\n| 15 | in the objection. |\n| 16 | A.
The answer is Fifth Amendment. |\n| 17 | MR. LUFT:
Mr. Kim, I just want to |\n| 18 | understand your objection. |\n| 19 | Has Ms. Guo served as an interpreter |\n| 20 | at meetings you've been at before? |\n| 21 | MR. KIM:
I'm not being deposed |\n| 22 | today.
My objection is clear.
It's on the |\n| 23 | record, and the witness has raised her own |\n| 24 | objection as well.
So I think that's -- |\n| 25 | MR. LUFT:
No, Austin, come on. |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 14 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:34\n\n10:34\n\n10:35\n\n10:35\n\n10:35\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | That's not reasonable.
You made an |\n| 3 | objection based on the idea that she may |\n| 4 | have been a translator.
This is the first |\n| 5 | I've ever heard of that.
And that's okay. |\n| 6 | But I would like to understand.
You tell |\n| 7 | me she's been a translator, then you can |\n| 8 | explain who she's been a translator for, |\n| 9 | then I'll understand it.
But you just sit |\n| 10 | there and make objections and say, But I |\n| 11 | won't tell you what's that about.
I don't |\n| 12 | think you can do that. |\n| 13 | MR. KIM:
Okay.
We raised our |\n| 14 | objection.
It's on the record.
It's |\n| 15 | pretty clear what the basis of the |\n| 16 | objection is, and we are going to stand by |\n| 17 | it. |\n| 18 | MR. LUFT:
It's a hundred percent |\n| 19 | not clear.
You raised an objection to the |\n| 20 | extent she's been a translator, but she's |\n| 21 | not testified that she's ever been a |\n| 22 | translator.
You won't tell me if she's |\n| 23 | ever been a translator, so I don't |\n| 24 | understand how you can give an instruction |\n| 25 | not to answer based on being a translator |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 15 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n14\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | if there's no foundation that she's ever |\n| 3 | been a translator or who she's been a |\n| 4 | translator for. |\n| 5 | MR. KIM:
You can ask -- |\n| 6 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 7 | MR. LUFT:
-- just understand the |\n| 8 | parameters.
I'm not asking for what she |\n| 9 | said or anything else.
I understand how a |\n| 10 | translator works with privilege.
But you |\n| 11 | have to at least establish that she's been |\n| 12 | a translator. |\n| 13 | You want to tell me she's been the |\n| 14 | translator for a meeting, that's fine.
But |\n| 15 | to just throw it out there as if -- and |\n| 16 | give an instruction not to answer, I don't |\n| 17 | think is proper.
So I'm just trying to |\n| 18 | understand, Austin, what's going on. |\n| 19 | MR. KIM:
That's fine.
And so you |\n| 20 | can ask the deponent who is sitting here to |\n| 21 | be -- to answer your questions, and so -- |\n| 22 | MR. LUFT:
Austin -- |\n| 23 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 24 | MR. KIM:
-- Ms. Guo is here.
You |\n| 25 | can ask her the question.
We've raised our |\n\n\n\n·\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 16 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | objection.
We stand by it.
I think it's a |\n| 3 | proper objection.
If you disagree, that's |\n| 4 | fine.
You don't have to agree with me, but |\n| 5 | that's our objection, and I'm not here to |\n| 6 | answer questions. |\n| 7 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 8 | MR. LUFT:
No, but you do have |\n| 9 | duties of candor and to have a good faith |\n| 10 | basis upon which to object.
The purpose of |\n| 11 | form objections is to allow the other |\n| 12 | attorney to understand an issue so that we |\n| 13 | can have a clear record.
And to just |\n| 14 | basically say I'm not going to tell you |\n| 15 | anything about why I'm saying it, |\n| 16 | especially when the witness is taking the |\n| 17 | Fifth onto these questions, I think is |\n| 18 | unreasonable.
I think it's improper, and I |\n| 19 | certainly don't understand it, because if |\n| 20 | she's been the translator, then I'll |\n| 21 | understand it and I'll not try to delve |\n| 22 | into privileged information, but, you know, |\n| 23 | if you are going to tell me that no -- |\n| 24 | despite all that and no argument to the |\n| 25 | contrary, you're just going to stand on the |\n| | |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 10:36\n\n15\n\n10:36\n\n10:37\n\n10:37\n\n10:37\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 17 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:37\n\n10:37\n\n10:37\n\n10:38\n\n10:38\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | idea that you don't have to say anything, |\n| 3 | you can just give instructions not to |\n| 4 | answer to a witness who's not yours, |\n| 5 | that -- |\n| 6 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 7 | MR. KIM:
That's a |\n| 8 | mischaracterization of what I just said. |\n| 9 | Avi, that's a complete mischaracterization. |\n| 10 | I gave you the explicit and express basis |\n| 11 | for the instruction.
I'm not going to get |\n| 12 | into the details of what was discussed. |\n| 13 | I'm not going to get any details and answer |\n| 14 | your question.
I'm not the deponent. |\n| 15 | We're here for Ms. Guo's deposition. |\n| 16 | You can ask the witness and she will answer |\n| 17 | as she deems fit.
That's the objection. |\n| 18 | MR. LUFT:
Fine.
Okay.
Then we |\n| 19 | will do it your way, Austin. |\n| 20 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21 | Q.
Ms. Guo, how often has Mr. Kim given |\n| 22 | you answers to be stated at this deposition? |\n| 23 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 24 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 25 | Q.
Did Mr. Austin -- have you met with |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 18 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:39\n\n10:39\n\n10:40\n\n10:40\n\n10:40\n\nYVer1f\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | Mr. Austin -- Mr. Kim and Mr. Major to discuss |\n| 3 | strategy for what to say at this deposition? |\n| 4 | MR. KIM:
Objection.
Form. |\n| 5 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 6 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 7 | Q.
Did Mr. Kim and Mr. Major tell you |\n| 8 | what answers you needed to give today to help |\n| 9 | your mother in this lawsuit? |\n| 10 | MR. VARTAN:
Same objection. |\n| 11 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 12 | A.
No. |\n| 13 | Q.
All right. |\n| 14 | Have you served as an interpreter at |\n| 15 | meetings with -- that Mr. Kim and Mr. Major |\n| 16 | have been at? |\n| 17 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 18 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form.
Asked |\n| 19 | and answered. |\n| 20 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 21 | Q.
Did Mr. Major and Mr. Kim tell you |\n| 22 | that certain answers would be more helpful to |\n| 23 | your mom's case? |\n| 24 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection to form. |\n| 25 | MR. KIM:
Objection.
Asked and |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 19 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:40\n\n10:41\n\n10:41\n\n10:41\n\n10:42\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 answered. 3 A. Fifth Amendment. 4 Q. Please tell me everything that 5 Mr. Major and Mr. Kim have told you at meetings 6 that you've attended with them prior to today? 7 MR. KIM: Objection. Asked and 8 answered. 9 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 10 A. Fifth Amendment. 11 Q. Have you been at meetings with 12 Mr. Kim and Mr. Major where they have discussed 13 the strategy for Greenwich Land and your wife 14 Hing Chi Ngok -- 15 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 16 BY MR. LUFT: 17 Q. Sorry. Your mother. 18 MR. KIM: Objection to form. Asked 19 and answered. 20 I repeat the same advisement to the 21 witness not to answer on basis of 22 privilege, and the witness can answer and 23 invoke her own privilege. 24 MR. LUFT: Sorry. What privilege 25 are you referring to, Austin? IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 18\n\n\n\n·\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 20 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | MR. KIM:
I said before, we stated |\n| 3 | our objection pretty clearly.
Now, I mean |\n| 4 | you are not satisfied with it, which is |\n| 5 | fine. |\n| 6 | MR. LUFT:
No, no, no.
She's not |\n| 7 | your client so I need to know -- |\n| 8 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 9 | MR. KIM:
-- it's a valid objection. |\n| 10 | We've raised it on the record. |\n| 11 | MR. LUFT:
She's not your client, so |\n| 12 | what privilege are you invoking about a |\n| 13 | conversation between you and her? |\n| 14 | MR. KIM:
Again, as I said before at |\n| 15 | the very beginning of this deposition, to |\n| 16 | the extent that there were interpretation |\n| 17 | services provided, then that would be |\n| 18 | covered by privilege.
I think you're well |\n| 19 | aware of that.
We've invoked the privilege |\n| 20 | several times now -- |\n| 21 | MR. LUFT:
I'm not aware of any |\n| 22 | interpretation privilege. |\n| 23 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT:
Austin, there have been |\n| 25 | no interpretation -- anyone's testified |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 10:42\n\n19\n\n10:42\n\n10:42\n\n10:42\n\n10:42\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 21 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n20\n\n10:42\n\n10:42\n\n10:43\n\n10:43\n\n10:43\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 there's been any interpretation done. 3 So -- 4 MR. KIM: Well, you can ask the 5 witness and the witness will provide 6 answers. 7 MR. LUFT: I did. 8 MR. KIM: Okay. I'm not here to be 9 deposed and answer your questions. The 10 witness is here to be deposed and answer 11 your questions. So you can ask the 12 witness, and we can raise our objections. 13 MR. LUFT: I think it's completely 14 improper, Austin. You won't even tell 15 me -- is she your client? 16 MR. KIM: You can ask the witness 17 your questions. 18 MR. LUFT: Let the record reflect 19 and Mr. Kim will not disclose whether or 20 not Ms. Guo is his client or not. 21 MR. KIM: That's absolutely 22 improper. The witness is here to answer 23 questions. The trustee has noticed that 24 this -- today's deposition is for Ms. Guo's 25 deposition, and so counsel should direct\n\n\n\n·\n\nMEI GUO\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 22 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:43\n\n10:43\n\n10:43\n\n10:44\n\n10:44\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 his questions to the deponent. 3 This is not a question-and-answer 4 session for the general group. It's for 5 the witness that's being -- has been 6 noticed for today. 7 MR. LUFT: Okay. 8 BY MR. LUFT: 9 Q. Ms. Guo, how many times have you met 10 with Mr. Kim and Mr. Major before today? 11 MR. VARTAN: Objection. Asked and 12 answered. 13 MR. KIM: Objection. Asked and 14 answered. 15 A. Fifth Amendment. 16 Q. Ms. Guo, did Mr. Major and Mr. Kim 17 tell you that it was in your personal interest 18 for your mom and Greenwich Land to succeed in 19 this litigation? 20 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 21 MR. KIM: Objection. Asked and 22 answered. I mean, Avi, you are asking the 23 same questions a hundred different times. 24 I think this is getting -- this is 25 getting -- IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 21\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 23 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:44\n\n10:44\n\n10:44\n\n10:44\n\n10:45\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 MR. LUFT: Austin, stop. 3 MR. KIM: This is getting to the 4 point of harassing the witness, but, you 5 know, that's your call. 6 MR. LUFT: I can't even tell if you 7 are represent her or not, but my question 8 is a new question -- 9 (Multiple speakers.) 10 MR. KIM: You are asking questions 11 and my name happens to be in every single 12 question you're asking, so I think it's 13 fair -- 14 MR. LUFT: Please stop. 15 MR. KIM: -- for me to interject. 16 MR. LUFT: Please stop. 17 BY MR. LUFT: 18 Q. You can answer my question. 19 MR. VARTAN: Same objection. 20 THE INTERPRETER: Allow the 21 interpreter to interpret the question. 22 MR. VARTAN: Sorry. Very good. 23 THE INTERPRETER: Thank you, sir. 24 A. Fifth Amendment. 25 Q. Okay. IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 22\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 24 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:45\n\n10:45\n\n10:46\n\n10:46\n\n10:47\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 Other than Mr. Major and Mr. Kim, 3 who else have you met with to prepare for your 4 deposition today? 5 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 6 A. Fifth Amendment. 7 Q. Ms. Guo, you did meet with Mr. Major 8 and Mr. Kim to prepare for your deposition 9 today, correct? 10 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 11 MR. KIM: Objection. Asked and 12 answered. 13 A. Fifth Amendment. 14 Q. Ms. Guo, are you represented by 15 Mr. Kim and Mr. Major? 16 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 17 MR. KIM: Objection to form. Asked 18 and answered. 19 A. Fifth Amendment. 20 Q. Okay. 21 Ms. Guo, you are the sole member of 22 Hudson Diamond Holdings, correct? 23 A. (In English) On the advise of my 24 lawyer, I respectfully decline to answer on the 25 basis of the Fifth Amendment which protects IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 23\n\n\n\n·\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 25 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | innocent people from the need to answer |\n| 3 | questions if the truth might be used to help |\n| 4 | create a misleading impression that they were |\n| 5 | somehow involved in a crime that they did not |\n| 6 | commit.
Thank you. |\n| 7 | Q.
Ms. Guo, who wrote that statement |\n| 8 | that you just read? |\n| 9 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection.
You don't |\n| 10 | have to answer. |\n| 11 | MR. LUFT:
Of course, she does, |\n| 12 | Mr.
Vartan. |\n| 13 | Of course she does. |\n| 14 | MR. TWARDY:
I'll assert a privilege |\n| 15 | on this. |\n| 16 | MR. LUFT:
You won't insert the |\n| 17 | privilege, but then instruct her not to |\n| 18 | answer, and then we will go from there. |\n| 19 | But you can't tell her she just doesn't |\n| 20 | have to answer the question.
Give an |\n| 21 | instruction -- |\n| 22 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 23 | MR. TWARDY:
She answered the |\n| 24 | question you asked about Hudson, and she |\n| 25 | answered that. |\n| | |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 10:47\n\n10:47\n\n10:47\n\n10:47\n\n10:47\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 26 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:48\n\n10:48\n\n10:48\n\n10:48\n\n10:49\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 And she's not going to answer 3 questions about -- about what she discusses 4 with her lawyer. 5 MR. LUFT: Guys, stop. If you want 6 to instruct her not to answer, do so. 7 MR. VARTAN: I just did. 8 BY MR. LUFT: 9 Q. Ms. Guo, let's have a clear record. 10 Who wrote the statement that you 11 just read into the record? 12 MR. VARTAN: We're instructing her 13 not to answer. 14 MR. TWARDY: I'm instructing her not 15 to answer. 16 BY MR. LUFT: 17 Q. Ms. Guo, are you going to follow 18 your counsel's advice? 19 A. Correct, yes. 20 Q. Okay. 21 Ms. Guo, Hudson Diamond Holdings is 22 a hundred percent owner of Hudson Diamond New 23 York, correct? 24 THE INTERPRETER: Would like to 25 reinterpret. IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 25\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 27 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:49\n\n10:50\n\n10:50\n\n10:50\n\n10:51\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 A. Fifth Amendment. 3 Q. Okay. 4 Ms. Guo, your father installed you 5 as the nominal sole member of Hudson Diamond 6 Holdings, correct? 7 A. Fifth Amendment, Fifth Amendment. 8 Q. Okay. Let's mark as Exhibit 1 9 document bearing the Bates stamp of HR 0003095. 10 (Guo Exhibit 1, Document Entitled: 11 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC with Bates 12 Stamp of HR 0003095, marked for 13 identification.) 14 MR. TWARDY: We don't see it yet. 15 MR. LUFT: It's in the chat. 16 MR. KIM: Is it Tab 2? 17 MR. LUFT: Yes. 18 THE WITNESS: Tab 2. Oh, okay. 19 MR. TWARDY: Okay. We have it now. 20 Thank you. 21 MR. LUFT: Great. 22 BY MR. LUFT: 23 Q. Ms. Guo, this is a document 24 entitled: Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC, and 25 under member it has the name of the member and IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 26\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 28 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:51\n\n10:52\n\n10:52\n\n10:52\n\n10:53\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 it lists your name at 162 East 64th Street, New 3 York, New York 10065 -- 4 (Multiple speakers.) 5 A. Is this a question? Can you please 6 repeat your question? 7 Q. Yes, ma'am. I'm asking, if you see 8 what I've just pointed out to you on the 9 document? 10 A. Yes, I can see this document. 11 Q. And the information contained in it 12 is accurate, correct? 13 A. Fifth Amendment. 14 Q. Okay. 15 Let's mark as Exhibit 2 a document 16 bearing the Bates stamp HR 0002584 titled 17 Hudson Diamond New York LLC. 18 (Guo Exhibit 2, Document Entitled: 19 Hudson Diamond New York LLC with Bates 20 Stamp of HR 0002584, marked for 21 identification.) 22 MR. TWARDY: This is Tab 3? 23 MR. LUFT: Correct, sir. 24 MR. TWARDY: Thank you. 25 It would help if you would let us IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 27\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 29 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n28\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|---------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | know the tabs in addition to the document |\n| 3 | numbers, please, just to expedite this. |\n| 4 | Thank you. |\n| 5 | MR. LUFT:
Tabs have no bearing on |\n| 6 | this. |\n| 7 | MR. TWARDY:
Just for us to get to |\n| 8 | it promptly. |\n| 9 | MR. LUFT:
Okay.
There's been two |\n| 10 | documents so far.
This is the second. |\n| 11 | MR. VARTAN:
Avi, he's only saying |\n| 12 | that because they are labeled in the chat, |\n| 13 | Tab 2, Tab 3. |\n| 14 | MR. LUFT:
I get that.
There are -- |\n| 15 | my point was simply that there is -- that's |\n| 16 | not on the document.
It's in an internal |\n| 17 | code. |\n| 18 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 19 | MR. VARTAN:
-- but it's how it's |\n| 20 | coming up in terms of how you name |\n| 21 | things -- |\n| 22 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 23 | MR. LUFT:
That is fine.
I will |\n| 24 | help try to label that. |\n| 25 | MR. TWARDY:
Thank you, Avi. |\n| | |\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 30 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:54\n\n10:54\n\n10:54\n\n10:55\n\n10:55\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 MR. LUFT: Not a problem. 3 BY MR. LUFT: 4 Q. Ms. Guo, do you have what has been 5 marked as Exhibit 2 in front of you now? 6 A. I see it. 7 Q. Do you see this document says: 8 Hudson Diamond New York LLC and its address is 9 also 162 East 64th Street, New York, New York 10 10065, and under the member name it says Hudson 11 Diamond Holdings LLC, and under membership 12 interest 100 percent with officers of Yvette 13 Wang and Max Krasner. 14 Do you see that? 15 A. Yes, I see it. 16 Q. And the information contained in 17 this document is accurate as well, correct? 18 A. Fifth Amendment. 19 MR. LUFT: Let's mark as Exhibit 3 20 the document bearing the Bates stamp HR 21 002382 through 88, and for attorney 22 reference that will show up as Tab 4. 23 (Guo Exhibit 3, October 25, 2019, 24 Letter to Yvette Wang with Bates Stamp of 25 HR 002382 through 88, marked for IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 29\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 31 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:56\n\n10:56\n\n10:57\n\n10:57\n\n10:57\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 identification.) 3 MR. TWARDY: Thank you. 4 BY MR. LUFT: 5 Q. Let me know when you've had the 6 chance to see the document. Please let me 7 know. 8 (Document review.) 9 MR. TWARDY: We're in the process of 10 reviewing it, Avi. 11 MR. LUFT: I understand. There's no 12 rush. 13 (Document review.) 14 BY MR. LUFT: 15 Q. My first question is just going to 16 be about the first page of the document and 17 then I'll ask some inside. And we will share 18 our screen so that you guys can see what I'm 19 looking at. 20 MR. TWARDY: Thank you. 21 MR. LUFT: No problem. I've lost 22 video for Austin. Is he still here? 23 MR. KIM: Yeah, I'm still here. I'm 24 still here. Now you can see me. 25 MR. LUFT: Oh, okay. Just wanted to IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 30\n\n\n\n·\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 32 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|---------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | make sure we didn't lose anything. |\n| 3 | MR. KIM:
And on this document, I |\n| 4 | don't have an objection to the full |\n| 5 | document, but I do note that I just want to |\n| 6 | on the record reserve our right to object |\n| 7 | to the extent that the document discloses |\n| 8 | any privileged information related to |\n| 9 | Greenwich Land LLC and the defendant, whose |\n| 10 | name is Hing Chi Ngok in the complaint. |\n| 11 | But you can go ahead and ask your |\n| 12 | questions. |\n| 13 | MR. LUFT:
Austin, are you aware of |\n| 14 | any privileged relationship between Hodgson |\n| 15 | Russ and your client? |\n| 16 | MR. KIM:
I'm just putting on the |\n| 17 | record to the extent that the document here |\n| 18 | discloses privileged information that |\n| 19 | belongs to the defendant, I'm objecting. |\n| 20 | But I'm not instructing the witness not to |\n| 21 | answer, nor am I saying this document you |\n| 22 | can't ask questions about.
That's -- |\n| 23 | that's all I'm doing. |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT:
Okay.
I don't believe |\n| 25 | it's proper if you don't have a good faith |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 10:57\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 33 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\n10:59\n\n10:59\n\n10:59\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 basis to believe there is a privileged 3 relationship, to tell a witness, hey, maybe 4 you shouldn't answer stuff because there 5 might be privileged stuff -- 6 (Multiple speakers.) 7 MR. KIM: I didn't instruct the 8 witness to do anything, Avi. I didn't 9 instruct the witness to do anything. 10 MR. LUFT: Okay. I get it. You're 11 just throwing it out there that, you know, 12 maybe there's privileged stuff in here and 13 maybe you should be worried about it. 14 Again, you -- it's not proper. We 15 will move on. But you cannot suggest to 16 the witness that there's a privileged 17 relationship if you don't have a good faith 18 basis to -- 19 (Multiple speakers.) 20 MR. KIM: I'm making no suggestion 21 of a privilege relationship to the witness. 22 You can ask your questions to the 23 witness. 24 MR. LUFT: Okay. 25 BY MR. LUFT: IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 32\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 34 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:59\n\n11:00\n\n11:00\n\n11:01\n\n11:01\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 Q. Ms. Guo, do you see that the 3 person -- it says to a Ms. Yvette Wang at 4 Golden Spring New York LTD? 5 A. I see it. 6 Q. Ms. Wang worked at Golden Spring, 7 correct? 8 A. Fifth Amendment. 9 Q. The person Ms. Wang reported to at 10 Golden Spring was your father, the debtor, 11 correct? 12 A. Fifth Amendment. 13 Q. Okay. 14 It says: I attach for your review a 15 draft organizational chart for the various 16 entities for which we -- meaning Hodgson 17 Russ -- have custody of the corporate records. 18 Do you see that? 19 A. I see it. 20 Q. And the entities for which they 21 attach corporate charts, China Golden Spring 22 Group Hong Kong Limited; Genever Holdings 23 Corporation, Greenwich Land LLC, Hudson Diamond 24 Holdings, Hudson Diamond New York, and Hudson 25 Diamond Inc., as well as Saraca Media Group, IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 33\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 35 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:02\n\n11:02\n\n11:03\n\n11:03\n\n11:03\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | are all entities controlled and owned by your |\n| 3 | father, the debtor, correct? |\n| 4 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 5 | I wasn't sure if I was on mute |\n| 6 | before, so I want to make sure my objection |\n| 7 | to form has been placed on the record. |\n| 8 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 9 | Q.
If you turn a couple pages in to |\n| 10 | page 5 of the document, there's an |\n| 11 | organizational chart for the Hudson Diamond |\n| 12 | Holdings LLC, Hudson Diamond New York LLC. |\n| 13 | Do you see that? |\n| 14 | A.
I see it. |\n| 15 | Q.
And this document reflects that you |\n| 16 | are the -- you control Hudson Diamond Holdings |\n| 17 | LLC, which directly controls Hudson Diamond New |\n| 18 | York LLC, correct? |\n| 19 | MR. KIM:
Objection. |\n| 20 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 21 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 22 | Q.
Ms. Guo, while you are listed as the |\n| 23 | nominal name controlling Hudson Diamond |\n| 24 | Holdings LLC, in fact, it is your father, the |\n| 25 | debtor, that controlled Hudson Diamond Holdings |\n\n\n\n·\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:03\n\n11:03\n\n11:04\n\n11:04\n\n11:04\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | LLC as well as Hudson Diamond New York LLC, |\n| 3 | correct? |\n| 4 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 5 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 6 | Foundation.
Mischaracterizes the document |\n| 7 | you are holding here. |\n| 8 | And then just as a matter of scope |\n| 9 | Avi, the defendants in this case for which |\n| 10 | this deposition was noticed are Greenwich |\n| 11 | Land LLC and Hing Chi Ngok.
To the extent |\n| 12 | that you are delving into other matters |\n| 13 | that are outside of the adversary |\n| 14 | proceeding for which this deposition is |\n| 15 | being held, I think that it's improper. |\n| 16 | I would suggest that the deposition |\n| 17 | be focused on the issues relevant to the |\n| 18 | defendants in this action. |\n| 19 | MR. TWARDY:
You don't need to -- |\n| 20 | THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter is |\n| 21 | interpreting the question.
Should I? |\n| 22 | MR. LUFT:
You should interpret my |\n| 23 | question.
If Ms. Guo would like her to |\n| 24 | hear Mr. Austin's speech, you are welcome |\n| 25 | to translate that as well.
I don't think |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n36\n\n11:05\n\n11:05\n\n11:05\n\n11:05\n\n11:06\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 it's relevant, but she's welcome to hear 3 everything said. 4 THE INTERPRETER: Okay. Can the 5 interpreter clarify. The interpreter will 6 have to interpret the question, and I will 7 give a summarize of the discussion. How is 8 that? 9 MR. LUFT: That's fine. I just want 10 to be clear that: Ms. Guo, here is my 11 question, and then I get a answer -- clear 12 answer to the question. 13 THE INTERPRETER: Yes, to allow the 14 interpreter to interpret the question. 15 MR. TWARDY: We don't need to debate 16 interpreted. 17 THE INTERPRETER: Okay. Thank you, 18 sir. The interpreter will interpret the 19 question. 20 MR. TWARDY: Thank you. 21 A. Fifth Amendment. 22 Q. And if we would look at the page 23 before, there is a similar organizational chart 24 for -- this time for Greenwich Land. 25 And this one says -- lists your IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 38 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:06\n\n11:07\n\n11:07\n\n11:08\n\n11:08\n\nYVer1f\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\nMEI GUO\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | mother, Hing Chi Ngok -- or let me just lay a |\n| 3 | basic foundation. |\n| 4 | Hing Chi Ngok is the name of your |\n| 5 | mother, correct? |\n| 6 | A.
Yes, my mother's name is Hing Chi |\n| 7 | Ngok. |\n| 8 | Q.
Your father's name is Ho Wan Kwok, |\n| 9 | correct? |\n| 10 | A.
Correct. |\n| 11 | Q.
He also goes by Miles Kwok and Miles |\n| 12 | Guo, correct? |\n| 13 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 14 | Q.
Have you ever heard anyone refer to |\n| 15 | your father as Miles Kwok? |\n| 16 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 17 | Q.
For purposes of today's deposition, |\n| 18 | would you prefer me to him as -- let me just |\n| 19 | strike that. |\n| 20 | Today when I refer to your father |\n| 21 | and the debtor, you will know who I'm referring |\n| 22 | to? |\n| 23 | A.
Yes. |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
We will do it that way. |\n| 25 | Okay.
So if we look at this page, |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 39 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n38\n\n11:08\n\n11:09\n\n11:09\n\n11:09\n\n11:10\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 it show -- it lists Ms. Ngok as controlling 3 Greenwich Land LLC. 4 Do you see that? 5 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 6 Mischaracterizes the document. Foundation. 7 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 8 A. I see it. 9 Q. Ms. Guo, in fact, at all times your 10 father has owned and controlled Greenwich Land 11 LLC, correct? 12 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 13 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 14 MR. KIM: Foundation. 15 A. Fifth Amendment. 16 Q. Turn back to Hudson Diamond 17 Holdings. At all times your father has owned 18 Hudson Diamond Holdings, correct? 19 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 20 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 21 A. Fifth Amendment. 22 Q. At all times your father has 23 controlled Hudson Diamond Holdings? 24 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 25 MR. KIM: Objection to form.\n\n\n\n·\n\nMEI GUO\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 40 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:10\n\n11:10\n\n11:11\n\n11:11\n\n11:11\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 3 | Q.
At all times your father has owned |\n| 4 | all of the assets of Hudson Diamond Holdings? |\n| 5 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 6 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 7 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 8 | Q.
Correct? |\n| 9 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form.
Asked |\n| 10 | and answered -- (audio interruption) -- |\n| 11 | notice in this deposition in this adversary |\n| 12 | proceeding. |\n| 13 | MR. LUFT:
Sorry.
What's that?
I |\n| 14 | didn't hear you, Austin.
You cut out. |\n| 15 | MR. KIM:
I apologize.
I'm |\n| 16 | objecting to the form of the question.
And |\n| 17 | Hudson Diamond is not a defendant in this |\n| 18 | adversary proceeding for which the |\n| 19 | deposition has been noticed. |\n| 20 | MR. LUFT:
That is true.
They are |\n| 21 | not a defendant.
It's not relevant to my |\n| 22 | question, but it is a true fact that they |\n| 23 | are not a defendant. |\n| 24 | You can go ahead. |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
Allow the |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 41 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:11\n\n11:12\n\n11:12\n\n11:13\n\n11:13\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 interpreter to interpret the question. 3 A. Fifth Amendment. 4 Q. At all times your father has 5 controlled all of the assets of Hudson Diamond 6 Holdings, correct? 7 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 8 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 9 A. Pith amendment. 10 Q. At all times any transfers of money 11 of Hudson Diamond Holdings and any of its 12 affiliates and subsidiaries have been at the 13 direction of your father, the debtor, correct? 14 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 15 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 16 A. Fifth Amendment. 17 Q. At all times your father has owned 18 Hudson Diamond New York LLC, correct? 19 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 20 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 21 A. Fifth Amendment. 22 Q. At all times your father has 23 controlled Hudson Diamond New York LLC, 24 correct? 25 MR. KIM: Objection to form. IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 40\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 42 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:13\n\n11:14\n\n11:14\n\n11:14\n\n11:15\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 3 A. Fifth Amendment. 4 Q. At all times your father has owned 5 and controlled all assets of Hudson Diamond New 6 York LLC, correct? 7 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 8 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 9 A. Fifth Amendment. 10 Q. At all times any transfers of money 11 to and from Hudson Diamond New York LLC has 12 been done at the sole direction and control of 13 your father, correct? 14 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 15 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 16 Foundation. 17 A. Fifth Amendment. 18 Q. All bank accounts of Hudson Diamond 19 Holdings were opened at the direction of your 20 father, the debtor, correct? 21 MR. VARTAN: Objection. 22 MR. KIM: Objection to form. 23 A. Fifth Amendment. 24 Q. At all times your father, the 25 debtor, has exclusive control of all bank IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 41\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 43 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:15\n\n11:16\n\n11:16\n\n11:16\n\n11:16\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | accounts in the name of Hudson Diamond |\n| 3 | Holdings, correct? |\n| 4 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 5 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 6 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 7 | MR. KIM:
Hey, Avi, we've been going |\n| 8 | for about an hour.
Up to you, if this is a |\n| 9 | good time for you to break or if you want |\n| 10 | to finish your line. |\n| 11 | MR. LUFT:
I want to finish my line |\n| 12 | of questioning. |\n| 13 | MR. KIM:
Okay. |\n| 14 | MR. LUFT:
Thanks. |\n| 15 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 16 | Q.
All bank accounts of Hudson Diamond |\n| 17 | New York LLC were opened at the direction of |\n| 18 | your father, the debtor, correct? |\n| 19 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 20 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 21 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 22 | Q.
At all times all bank accounts of |\n| 23 | Hudson Diamond New York LLC have been |\n| 24 | exclusively controlled by your father, the |\n| 25 | debtor, correct? |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 44 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 3 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form.
And |\n| 4 | just I want to repeat what I've said |\n| 5 | earlier.
Hudson Diamond isn't a defendant |\n| 6 | in this proceeding.
And this has been |\n| 7 | going on for, I guess, about 10, 15 minutes |\n| 8 | on questions of a nondefendant entity. |\n| 9 | Avi, if you want to put some foundation for |\n| 10 | this, then I can better understand.
But as |\n| 11 | it stands, it looks like you are asking |\n| 12 | about a nonparty for some other reason |\n| 13 | that's not related to this litigation. |\n| 14 | MR. LUFT:
Austin, I'm going to be |\n| 15 | polite and just say that if you have been |\n| 16 | reading the transcripts of this -- of the |\n| 17 | depositions in this case, it would be |\n| 18 | abundantly clear why all these questions |\n| 19 | are directly relevant.
And I'm not going |\n| 20 | to say any more, okay? |\n| 21 | And I would like the witness to |\n| 22 | answer my question. |\n| 23 | THE INTERPRETER:
Allow the |\n| 24 | interpreter to interpret. |\n| 25 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| | |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:16\n\n11:17\n\n11:17\n\n11:17\n\n11:17\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 45 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | Q.
Ms. Guo, all funds in the bank that |\n| 3 | have ever been in the bank accounts of Hudson |\n| 4 | Diamond New York LLC are funds that were owned |\n| 5 | and controlled by your father, the debtor, |\n| 6 | correct? |\n| 7 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 8 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 9 | MR. KIM:
Foundation.
Vague. |\n| 10 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 11 | Q.
Hudson Diamond New York LLC opened |\n| 12 | bank accounts at your father's directions at |\n| 13 | Capital One Bank, correct? |\n| 14 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 15 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 16 | Foundation.
Vague. |\n| 17 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 18 | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 46 of 142\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 47 of 142\n\n\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 48 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|---------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | record, but I don't -- look, Austin, if you |\n| 3 | want to stipulate that the -- that |\n| 4 | Ms. Guo's testimony -- |\n| 5 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 6 | MR. KIM:
I haven't seen the |\n| 7 | transcript so I can't stipulate to anything |\n| 8 | right now that I haven't seen.
But I'm |\n| 9 | just -- I'm just thinking to streamline |\n| 10 | this, if it is public -- if it's part of |\n| 11 | the public record already, then I tend to |\n| 12 | agree with Lee that we can streamline this |\n| 13 | just to save time on the record, but this |\n| 14 | is your deposition so you can proceed how |\n| 15 | you wish. |\n| 16 | MR. LUFT:
I think we need to do |\n| 17 | this.
I don't think that's how it works, |\n| 18 | but if you -- like I said, if you guys want |\n| 19 | to read the transcript, and you want to |\n| 20 | stipulate, make an agreement so that it's |\n| 21 | clear that that transcript is admissible, |\n| 22 | you know, we can take this up -- or that I |\n| 23 | can use it as testimony, we can try to do |\n| 24 | that, but the fact is I think at this point |\n| 25 | I'll just be faster to go -- just to go |\n| | |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:23\n\n47\n\n11:23\n\n11:24\n\n11:24\n\n11:24\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 49 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO 2 through this now. 3 So let's just keep moving. 4 THE INTERPRETER: Counsel, do you 5 need -- 6 MR. LUFT: No, I don't -- 7 MR. TWARDY: You don't need to -- 8 Echo, you don't need to interpret that. 9 THE INTERPRETER: Okay. Counsels, 10 can we establish lengthy discussion will 11 not be interpreted? 12 MR. LUFT: I think we should 13 probably do it on a case-by-case basis. 14 I'm not worried. It's fine with me. But 15 it's up to her counsel what they want to do 16 on that. 17 THE INTERPRETER: Okay. Okay. 18 MR. TWARDY: If we need you, we will 19 let you know, Echo. Thank you. 20 THE INTERPRETER: Thank you. So 21 please proceed.\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 50 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 51 of 142\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 13 | MR. LUFT:
Mr. Kim, this would be a |\n| 14 | fine time for a break if you'd like one. |\n| 15 | MR. KIM:
Sounds great. |\n| 16 | MR. TWARDY:
Five minutes. |\n| 17 | MR. KIM:
Want ten minutes since |\n| 18 | it's the first one?
I don't care. |\n| 19 | MR. TWARDY:
Five minutes is fine |\n| 20 | more me. |\n| 21 | MR. KIM:
Okay.
Great. |\n| 22 | MR. TWARDY:
Thank you. |\n| 23 | (Recess is taken.) |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT:
Okay. |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 54 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 55 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | MR. KIM:
Okay.
Great.
Yeah, I |\n| 3 | just want to -- before you go down this |\n| 4 | line of questioning, and this actually |\n| 5 | applies in -- to the prior couple of |\n| 6 | exhibits as well.
These appear to be |\n| 7 | documents that were not produced in this |\n| 8 | litigation, and these are not documents |\n| 9 | that were provided to counsel for the |\n| 10 | defendants.
So this is the first time that |\n| 11 | we're seeing this document, as well as the |\n| 12 | other documents as well. |\n| 13 | I would just like to, you know, |\n| 14 | inquire why the documents are being |\n| 15 | introduced in this adversary proceeding for |\n| 16 | the first time at a deposition as opposed |\n| 17 | to be being produced in response to the |\n| 18 | defendant's document requests.
And so on |\n| 19 | that basis, I do object to questioning the |\n| 20 | witness on documents that have not been |\n| 21 | produced in this litigation.
It applies to |\n| 22 | this document that's Tab 8 -- I don't know |\n| 23 | which exhibit number it is, but it's the |\n| 24 | Capital One account for Hudson Diamond for |\n| 25 | the period July 1, 2019, and July 31, 2019, |\n| | |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:43\n\n11:43\n\n11:43\n\n11:44\n\n11:44\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 56 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|--------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | with a Bates number of Cap Kwok 000049 and |\n| 3 | the prior documents that have been |\n| 4 | introduced as well. |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER:
Counsels, do you |\n| 6 | need his statement being translated? |\n| 7 | MR. LUFT:
I don't feel a need. |\n| 8 | It's up -- |\n| 9 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 10 | MR. TWARDY:
We don't need that |\n| 11 | translated. |\n| 12 | Sorry.
Our microphone is on the |\n| 13 | blitz. |\n| 14 | THE INTERPRETER:
Thank you. |\n| 15 | MR. LUFT:
Are we ready to proceed? |\n| 16 | MR. TWARDY:
We're ready. |\n| 17 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18 | Q.
Okay. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 57 of 142\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 58 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|---------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | can take this up later as to why the |\n| 3 | trustee has deemed it appropriate to |\n| 4 | withhold responsive material documents from |\n| 5 | the defendants in this proceeding.
And |\n| 6 | this is a topic that we have previously met |\n| 7 | and conferred about.
And I think it's |\n| 8 | improper to have -- for the trustee to |\n| 9 | examine the witness on brand-new documents |\n| 10 | that have, to date, been concealed from |\n| 11 | production. |\n| 12 | And that's a standing objection that |\n| 13 | goes for this document, the prior documents |\n| 14 | that were not produced in this litigation, |\n| 15 | and any other additional documents going |\n| 16 | forward. |\n| 17 | I can state the same objection or we |\n| 18 | can have a standing objection to the extent |\n| 19 | that these are documents that are being |\n| 20 | used at this deposition that have not been |\n| 21 | previously produced to the defendants. |\n| 22 | How would you like to handle it, |\n| 23 | Avi?
Do you want to have a standing |\n| 24 | objection to these documents or do you want |\n| 25 | to me to raise it every time?
Up to you. |\n| | |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:47\n\n11:47\n\n11:47\n\n11:47\n\n11:47\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 59 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n58\n\n11:48\n\n11:48\n\n11:49\n\n11:49\n\n11:49\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | MR. LUFT:
Mr. Kim, I heard your |\n| 3 | objection.
Okay.
Can we just hold on for |\n| 4 | one second?
Let's go off the record for |\n| 5 | one second. |\n| 6 | (Recess is taken.) |\n| 7 | THE INTERPRETER:
Counsel, the |\n| 8 | interpreter hasn't interpreted the question |\n| 9 | yet.
Do you need that to be interpreted? |\n| 10 | MR. LUFT:
No, is -- Mr. Kim, are |\n| 11 | you on? |\n| 12 | MR. KIM:
Yes. |\n| 13 | MR. LUFT:
Are we on the record? |\n| 14 | THE COURT REPORTER:
Yes, we are. |\n| 15 | MR. LUFT:
Mr. Kim, this document |\n| 16 | was produced to you.
All of these |\n| 17 | documents have been produced to you.
They |\n| 18 | were all produced to you on September 5th. |\n| 19 | (Audio interruption.) |\n| 20 | MR. LUFT:
This document was used |\n| 21 | two days ago, handed to your colleague as |\n| 22 | an exhibit, also at the deposition of |\n| 23 | Ms. Ngok. |\n| 24 | Do you want to take a minute and |\n| 25 | confirm that?
And then would you like to |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\nMEI GUO\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 60 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO 2 withdraw your objection? 3 MR. KIM: Sorry about that. I was 4 on mute. I get it. You are right; I'm 5 wrong. Let's go. 6 MR. LUFT: Go where? To you 7 withdrawing your objections? 8 MR. KIM: I just said you're right; 9 I'm wrong. You got it, yes. To this 10 particular document, yes. 11 MR. LUFT: As to the ones before it 12 that you made -- 13 (Multiple speakers.) 14 MR. KIM. -- I have to confirm, but 15 if you represent that they were produced, 16 okay, but then I have to confirm it. 17 MR. LUFT: These documents were 18 produced to you, Mr. Kim, and I think next 19 time before you level an accusation you 20 should check. Let's move on. 21 BY MR. LUFT: 22 Q. Okay. 23 Ms. Guo, let's mark as exhibit --\n\n\n\n## Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 61 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|---------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| 4 | MR. LUFT:
We're moving -- Mr. Kim, |\n| 5 | I'm spending no more time with you. |\n| 6 | (Multiple speakers.) |\n| 7 | MR. KIM:
Excuse me.
If you are |\n| 8 | representing that they have been produced |\n| | |\n| 9 | I'll take your representation.
I'm just |\n| 10 | looking at the recent production that was |\n| 11 | made the other day and I'm not seeing the |\n| 12 | opening documents.
But if you are |\n| 13 | representing they were produced, then maybe |\n| 14 | they were.
And if they were, then no |\n| 15 | objection.
And if they weren't, then I |\n| 16 | have the objection. |\n| 17 | MR. LUFT:
We will check.
I do know |\n| 18 | that at least one of them is also -- been |\n| 19 | already an exhibit in the record in this |\n| 20 | case -- in the -- in the main case.
We |\n| 21 | will move on. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 62 of 142\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 63 of 142\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 64 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 65 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 66 of 142\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 67 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 69 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | Q.
Ms. Guo, your mother, Hing Chi Ngok, |\n| 3 | has never been a director, officer, or member |\n| 4 | of Hudson Diamond New York, correct? |\n| 5 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 6 | Q.
Ms. Guo, your mother, Hing Chi Ngok, |\n| 7 | had no ability to force Hudson Diamond New York |\n| 8 | to transfer money to Greenwich Land LLC, |\n| 9 | correct? |\n| 10 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 11 | Foundation.
Vague. |\n| 12 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 70 of 142\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | | |\n|---|--------|--|--|\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 72 of 142\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 73 of 142\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 74 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 76 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 77 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 79 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 12 | MR. LUFT:
Let's mark as exhibit -- |\n| 13 | hold on one second.
Sorry. |\n| 14 | MR. TWARDY:
Bear with me one |\n| 15 | second, please. |\n| 16 | (Pause in the proceedings.) |\n| 17 | MR. TWARDY:
Okay. |\n| 18 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 19 | Q.
Are you familiar with an entity |\n| 20 | named -- |\n| 21 | MR. VARTAN:
Avi, Stan is out of the |\n| 22 | room. |\n| 23 | MR. LUFT:
Oh, sorry.
I didn't know |\n| 24 | we went off the record. |\n| 25 | MR. TWARDY:
Sorry.
Thank you. |\n| | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 80 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:31\n\n12:32\n\n12:32\n\n12:32\n\n12:32\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 MR. VARTAN: He's back. 3 MR. LUFT: Do people want a break? 4 I'm okay with one, one way or the other. 5 MR. VARTAN: I leave it up to Mei. 6 MR. TWARDY: Mei is fine. 7 MR. LUFT: Okay. How is the court 8 reporter? 9 THE COURT REPORTER: I'm okay for 10 another twenty minutes, and then a break. 11 MR. LUFT: Okay. I'll keep it in 12 mind. And please remind me, Lisa, if I 13 forget, okay? 14 MR. TWARDY: Maybe we will get done. 15 MR. LUFT: That would be nice. 16 BY MR. LUFT: 17 Q. Okay. 18 Let's -- 19 MR. LUFT: Are we back on the 20 record? 21 THE COURT REPORTER: Yes. 22 MR. TWARDY: Please. 23 BY MR. LUFT: 24 Q. Ms. Guo, are you familiar with an 25 entity called Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC? IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 79\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 81 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:32\n\n12:33\n\n12:33\n\n12:34\n\n12:34\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|--------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 3 | Q.
In fact, it's an entity that you are |\n| 4 | the sole member of, correct? |\n| 5 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 6 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 7 | MR. LUFT:
Let's mark as Exhibit 12 |\n| 8 | the document bearing the Bates stamped HR |\n| 9 | 0003000 through 3032. |\n| 10 | (Guo Exhibit 12, Limited Liability |\n| 11 | Company Agreement of Gypsy Mei Food |\n| 12 | Services LLC., marked for identification.) |\n| 13 | MR. LUFT:
I'll represent to you it |\n| 14 | was produced to us by Hodgson Russ as the |\n| 15 | file for Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC. |\n| 16 | MR. TWARDY:
Tab 28? |\n| 17 | MR. LUFT:
Correct. |\n| 18 | (Document review.) |\n| 19 | A.
Okay.
I see it. |\n| 20 | Q.
Okay. |\n| 21 | And, specifically, I'm going to |\n| 22 | direct you to pages HR 0000 -- sorry -- |\n| 23 | 00003019 through 24, which is titled -- |\n| 24 | MR. KIM:
Real quick, Avi, was this |\n| 25 | used at Ms. Guo's deposition? |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 82 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:35\n\n12:35\n\n12:36\n\n12:36\n\n12:36\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 MR. LUFT: It was, Austin. It was 3 marked as an exhibit. 4 MR. KIM: Okay. All right. 5 MR. LUFT: As I was saying, this is 6 titled: Limited liability company 7 agreement of Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC. 8 Q. Do you see that? 9 A. I see it. 10 MR. KIM: And just to clarify our 11 prior objection, I understand that this 12 document was introduced as an exhibit 13 before, but we still reserve our objection 14 to the document being introduced by the 15 trustee at depositions for the first time. 16 I'm not sure if this -- I'm not familiar if 17 this document has been produced in document 18 production. 19 It appears that it's been introduced 20 as exhibits to deposition proceedings. So 21 reserve our objection. But go ahead, Avi. 22 MR. LUFT: Okay. 23 BY MR. LUFT: 24 Q. We turn to the page ending at 3023. 25 You see it says: In witness whereof, the sole IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 81\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 83 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | member has executed this agreement to be |\n| 3 | effective as the ay near first above written. |\n| 4 | And then the name underneath the |\n| 5 | signature line is Mei Guo? |\n| 6 | A.
I see it. |\n| 7 | Q.
And that's your signature, correct? |\n| 8 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay. |\n| 10 | Do you see on the next page under |\n| 11 | Schedule A, it says:
Member name and address, |\n| 12 | Mei Guo, |\n| | , capital contribution |\n| 14 | \\$100 and membership interest 100 percent? |\n| 15 | A.
I see it. |\n| 16 | Q.
And all of that information is |\n| 17 | correct and accurate, correct? |\n| 18 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 19 | |\n| | Q.
And Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC was |\n| 20 | originally created with the idea that you would |\n| 21 | be opening some type of drinking establishment, |\n| 22 | correct? |\n| 23 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 24 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 25 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 84 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:39\n\n12:39\n\n12:40\n\n12:40\n\n12:40\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | Q.
And I can't recall exactly, but I |\n| 3 | think it was intended to be a bar on the Lower |\n| 4 | East Side, correct? |\n| 5 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 6 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 7 | THE INTERPRETER:
Just give me a |\n| 8 | second. |\n| 9 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 10 | Q.
In fact, but Gypsy Mei Food Services |\n| 11 | LLC never actually operated any businesses, |\n| 12 | correct? |\n| 13 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 14 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 15 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 16 | Q.
Gypsy Mei Food Services never loaned |\n| 17 | any money to any other entities, correct? |\n| 18 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 19 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 20 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 21 | Q.
Gypsy Mei Food Services never earned |\n| 22 | any revenue, correct? |\n| 23 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 24 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 25 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 85 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:41\n\n12:41\n\n12:42\n\n12:42\n\n12:43\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | Q.
Gypsy Mei Food Service did have a |\n| 3 | bank account, though, correct? |\n| 4 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 5 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 6 | Q.
It had a bank account at the |\n| 7 | Sterling National Bank, correct? |\n| 8 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 9 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 10 | Q.
Any funds ever deposited in a Gypsy |\n| 11 | Mei Food Services bank account were funds that |\n| 12 | were transferred at the direction of your |\n| 13 | father, the debtor, correct? |\n| 14 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 15 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 16 | Q.
And despite any funds being |\n| 17 | transferred into Gypsy Mei Food Service's bank |\n| 18 | account, those funds always remained under the |\n| 19 | control and ownership of your father, the |\n| 20 | debtor, correct? |\n| 21 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 22 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 23 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 24 | Q.
Other than funds that always |\n| 25 | remained under the ownership and control of |\n| | |\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 86 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | your father, the debtor, Gypsy Mei Food Service |\n| 3 | has never held any other funds, correct? |\n| 4 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 5 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 6 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 7 | Q.
The sole purpose of any transfer of |\n| 8 | funds into a bank account held by Gypsy Mei |\n| 9 | Food Services is strictly for the purpose of |\n| 10 | helping your father hide his assets from his |\n| 11 | creditors, correct? |\n| 12 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 13 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 14 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 15 | MR. LUFT:
I said we would take a |\n| 16 | break around now.
Why don't we do so. |\n| 17 | (Recess is taken.) |\n| 18 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 19 | Q.
Good afternoon, Ms. Guo.
How are |\n| 20 | you? |\n| 21 | A.
I'm very good.
Thank you. |\n| 22 | Q.
Ms. Guo, I just want to ask you one |\n| 23 | question coming from Exhibit 12 that we looked |\n| 24 | at right before the break.
It lists your |\n| 25 | address as |\n| | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 87 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|---------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | |\n| 3 | Is that still your address? |\n| 4 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 5 | Q.
Sorry.
What is the device your |\n| 6 | attorney just handed you? |\n| 7 | MR. TWARDY:
It's the microphone. |\n| 8 | MR. LUFT:
I just can't see, guys. |\n| 9 | It's not -- I'm not accusing anyone of |\n| 10 | anything.
Oh, I see it's a microphone, |\n| 11 | right. |\n| 12 | MR. TWARDY:
It's a microphone, |\n| 13 | yeah.
The other one was on the blink. |\n| 14 | MR. LUFT:
What? |\n| 15 | MR. TWARDY:
The other was on the |\n| 16 | blink.
It wasn't working. |\n| 17 | MR. LUFT:
There's no problem, guys. |\n| 18 | I was just curious what it was.
It's not |\n| 19 | accusing anyone of anything. |\n| 20 | A.
Okay. |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay. |\n| 22 | Was it -- have you ever been lived |\n| 23 | at
? |\n| 24 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 25 | Q.
Is that
that is owned |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 88 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|----------------------------------|\n| 2 | by your father, the debtor? |\n| 3 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 4 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 5 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay. |\n| 7 | You can put that document aside, |\n| 8 | Ms. Guo. |\n| | |\n\n14 MR. KIM: One second, I'm sorry. 15 Could the reporter just read back, I guess, 16 Avi's introduction? I just wanted to make 17 sure I heard that correctly. 18 (Question was read back as follows:\n\n19 \"QUESTION: Ms. Guo, to speed this 20 process along a little bit I'll represent 21 to you that the house at the 33 Ferncliff 22 Road in Greenwich, Connecticut, that was 23 held in the name of Greenwich Land, was 24 sold in April 2022, okay?\") 25 MR. KIM: I'm going to object to\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 89 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | your characterization.
It's not really a |\n| 3 | question so I'm not going to object to |\n| 4 | the -- as a question, but I'm just going to |\n| 5 | object to the characterization.
But you |\n| 6 | can go ahead. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 11 | MR. KIM:
No, what I'm objecting is |\n| 12 | it seems to me you are characterizing it |\n| 13 | as -- I don't know what you mean by held in |\n| 14 | the name of Greenwich Land LLC.
I think -- |\n| 15 | MR. LUFT:
That's fine. |\n| 16 | MR. KIM:
-- the proper word is |\n| 17 | owned or I don't know what the -- what |\n| 18 | words you want to use. |\n| 19 | MR. LUFT:
I'll tell you what.
I'll |\n| 20 | just leave those words out.
It's not |\n| 21 | important to me.
The date and the sale |\n| 22 | is -- |\n| 23 | MR. KIM:
Excuse me. |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT:
I'll just leave those |\n| 25 | words out then.
Okay.
What matters to me |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 90 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO 2 is the date and the sale so that Mei has a 3 clear understanding. 4 MR. KIM: Well -- 5 MR. TWARDY: Just so I'm clear -- 6 okay. 7 MR. LUFT: I'm going to withdraw the 8 prior statement and I'll say it again 9 hopefully in a way that everyone agrees 10 with. 11 BY MR. LUFT: 12 Q. Ms. Guo, I will represent to you 13 that the house at 33 Ferncliff Road -- let me 14 strike that.\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|-------------------|--|\n| 3 | A.
Understood. | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 92 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 93 of 142\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 94 of 142\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 95 of 142\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 97 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 98 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|----|--------------------------------------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 24 | Q.
Ms. Guo, you know Max Krasner, | |\n| 25 | correct? | |\n| | | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 101 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|--|\n| 2 | A.
Fifth Amendment. | |\n| 3 | Q.
In fact, you've previously put in a | |\n| 4 | sworn declaration to this court stating that | |\n| 5 | you've tried to call Mr. Krasner, correct? | |\n| 6 | A.
Fifth Amendment. | |\n| 7 | Q.
In fact, you've told the Court that | |\n| 8 | Mr. Krasner was one of the people who handled | |\n| 9 | the business and affairs of Hudson Diamond | |\n| 10 | Holdings, correct? | |\n| 11 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. | |\n| 12 | A.
Fifth Amendment. | |\n| 13 | Q.
Ms. Guo, you are extremely familiar | |\n| 14 | with Mr. Krasner's signature, correct? | |\n| 15 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. | |\n| 16 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. | |\n| 17 | A.
Fifth Amendment. | |\n| 18 | Q.
Ms. Guo, prior to today you've seen | |\n| 19 | Mr. Krasner's signature numerous times, | |\n| 20 | correct? | |\n| 21 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. | |\n| 22 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. | |\n| 23 | A.
Fifth Amendment. | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|----|------------------------------------------|--|\n| 2 | (Discussion held off the record.) | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 24 | Q.
Ms. Guo, you've never been a | |\n| 25 | director of Greenwich Land LLC, correct? | |\n| | | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 104 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 3 | Q.
Ms. Guo, you have never been an |\n| 4 | officer of Greenwich Land LLC, correct? |\n| 5 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 6 | Q.
Ms. Guo, you've never been employee |\n| 7 | of Greenwich Land LLC, correct? |\n| 8 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 9 | Q.
Ms. Guo, you've never held any |\n| 10 | ownership in Greenwich Land LLC, correct? |\n| 11 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 12 | MR. TWARDY:
May I ask who joined |\n| 13 | us. |\n| 14 | MR. VARTAN:
It's Melissa. |\n| 15 | MR. LUFT:
It's Lee's colleague. |\n| 16 | Okay. |\n| 17 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18 | Q.
Ms. Guo, the word Mei in Gypsy Mei |\n| 19 | Food Services on all of these checks is spelled |\n| 20 | M-E-I, correct? |\n| 21 | A.
Correct. |\n| 22 | Q.
That's the same way you spell your |\n| 23 | first name, correct? |\n| 24 | A.
Correct. |\n| 25 | Q.
And Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC was |\n| | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 106 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|---------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | named after you, correct? |\n| 3 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 4 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 5 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 14 | MR. VARTAN:
Objection. |\n| 15 | MR. KIM:
Objection to form. |\n| 16 | One second here.
I have my |\n| 17 | objection.
I'll wait for the interpreter |\n| 18 | to finish. |\n| 19 | MR. LUFT:
You have to let her |\n| 20 | answer. |\n| 21 | THE INTERPRETER:
I'm just |\n| 22 | interpreting. |\n| 23 | MR. KIM:
I understand.
I would |\n| 24 | like the court reporter to repeat the |\n| 25 | question.
I have the objection still |\n| | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 107 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 standing, but I just want to make sure I 3 understood what the exact words of the 4 question were. 5 MR. LUFT: We need the witnesses 6 answer and then you can do whatever -- you 7 can repeat whatever you want. 8 MR. KIM: I don't want to repeat. 9 I'd like the court reporter to read back 10 the question. 11 MR. LUFT: No, guys. Please let the 12 interpreter just give us her answer. She 13 answered. I need to hear what it is. 14 MR. KIM: Okay. 15 THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter 16 needs to interpret the objection, but I 17 didn't hear the answer. The objection 18 is -- 19 MR. LUFT: We don't need the 20 objection. We just need -- the objection 21 was after the question and answer. 22 MR. TWARDY: Yes. 23 MR. LUFT: We just repeat the 24 question. 25 MR. TWARDY: Repeat the answer. IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 106\n\n\n\n·\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 108 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| 3 | Q.
Okay. |\n| 4 | MR. LUFT:
Now, Austin, you can ask |\n| 5 | what you want. |\n| 6 | MR. KIM:
I just wanted the reporter |\n| 7 | to repeat the question that was asked to |\n| 8 | make sure I understood what was asked. |\n| 9 | (Question was read back as follows: |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 17 | MR. KIM:
Yeah, objection to form. |\n| 18 | MR. VARTAN:
Same. |\n| 19 | MR. LUFT:
Okay. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | | Doc 2292-36 | Filed 10/26/23
of 142 | Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 | Page 109 |\n|---------------|----|-------------|--------------------------|---------------------------------|----------|\n| | | | | | |\n| 1 | | | M. GUO | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| 4 | Q. | Okay. | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| 25 | Q. | | | Ms. Guo, you are represented in | |\n| | | | | | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 110 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|-------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | connection with your father's bankruptcy by the |\n| 3 | law firm of Zeisler & Zeisler, correct? |\n| 4 | A.
Correct. |\n| 5 | Q.
Zeisler & Zeisler also represents |\n| 6 | your father in connection with his bankruptcy, |\n| 7 | correct? |\n| 8 | A.
Fifth Amendment. |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 113 of 142\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|----|--------------------------------------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 25 | MR. LUFT:
Why don't we go off the | |\n| | | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 116 of 142\n\n\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 123 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 124 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 24
25 | MR. LUFT:
Okay.
I assume that
wasn't to a question.
She -- she is saying |\n| | |\n\n\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 125 of 142\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 127 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 128 of 142\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 131 of 142\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|---|--------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|---|--------|\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 2292-36 | Filed 10/26/23 | Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 | Page 133 |\n|---------------|-------------|----------------|---------------------------|----------|\n| | | of 142 | | |\n\n| 1 | M. GUO | |\n|----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 16
17 | MR. LUFT:
Let's take a break for a
minute.
I might be finishing up.
I just | |\n| 18 | want to check some stuff, okay? | |\n| 19 | (Recess is taken.) | |\n| 20 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21 | Q.
Ms. Guo, I have no further questions | |\n| 22 | for you at this time.
Thank you very much for | |\n| 23 | your time today.
I appreciate it. | |\n| 24 | THE WITNESS:
(In English)
Thank | |\n| 25 | you.
Thank you. | |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 134 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n03:01\n\n03:02\n\n03:02\n\n03:02\n\n03:02\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO 2 MR. TWARDY: Have a good day, everybody. 4 MR. LUFT: Mr. Kim, do you have any questions? 6 MR. KIM: No questions for the defendants. I just want to, you know, mark this deposition transcript confidential, if that's agreeable to the trustee. 10 MR. LUFT: It's not. I don't have a problem with designating the portions that are confidential, but I think the idea of marking the entire thing confidential is problematic and will create issues with the Court in terms of sealing the courtroom and 16 whatnot. 17 So if you guys want to look at the transcript and go back and note if there is something in here that you think is confidential, I don't have a problem with that, but I don't think we should designate the entire transcript confidential. 23 MR. KIM: Okay. Then for purposes of today, we can agree that once the final transcript is provided, the parties can IN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL., 133\n\n\n\n·\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 135 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | designate or propose designating portions |\n| 3 | of Ms. Guo's deposition transcript |\n| 4 | confidential. |\n| 5 | Is that agreeable? |\n| 6 | MR. LUFT:
Sure. |\n| 7 | MR. KIM:
Okay. |\n| 8 | MR. TWARDY:
Might I ask a question? |\n| 9 | Because I'm not familiar with the |\n| 10 | bankruptcy court and how it acts.
But what |\n| 11 | about this -- the deposition of the video |\n| 12 | aspects of this?
Are they saved in any way |\n| 13 | or is this just we're doing this via Zoom |\n| 14 | and none of the video will be disclosed to |\n| 15 | anybody? |\n| 16 | MR. LUFT:
I don't believe today's |\n| 17 | deposition was recorded. |\n| 18 | Right, Lisa? |\n| 19 | THE COURT REPORTER:
That's correct. |\n| 20 | This isn't videoed today. |\n| 21 | MR. TWARDY:
Okay.
Thank you very |\n| 22 | much.
I just wanted to clarify that. |\n| 23 | And will we have an opportunity to |\n| 24 | weigh in on the transcript if we think that |\n| 25 | there is things which should be |\n| | |\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 03:02\n\n134\n\n03:03\n\n03:03\n\n03:03\n\n03:03\n\nYVer1f\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 136 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n03:03\n\n03:03\n\n03:04\n\n03:04\n\nYVer1f\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\nMEI GUO\n\n| 1 | M. GUO |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | confidential? |\n| 3 | MR. LUFT:
Stan, how do you want to |\n| 4 | do that?
Do you want to do through that |\n| 5 | Austin?
I don't have a problem with anyone |\n| 6 | weighing in on what they think is |\n| 7 | confidential and then we can talk about it. |\n| 8 | I don't -- you know, that's okay with me. |\n| 9 | You tell me.
Whatever process you guys |\n| 10 | want to use is okay with me. |\n| 11 | MR. TWARDY:
I'll work it through |\n| 12 | Austin -- I guess, I'll work it through |\n| 13 | Austin, would make the most sense.
If he |\n| 14 | and I disagree, I will be coming to you. |\n| 15 | MR. LUFT:
That's okay. |\n| 16 | And Melissa, I'm sorry, I didn't |\n| 17 | mean to exclude you.
You can get involved |\n| 18 | too. |\n| 19 | (Continued on the following page to |\n| 20 | include jurat.) |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| | |\n| 25 | |\n\n### Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 137 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n1 M. GUO 2 MS. WERNICK: That's fine. 3 MR. KIM: So we will figure all this 4 out once the final is issued. 5 MR. LUFT: Perfect. 6 MR. TWARDY: Thank you, all, 7 everybody. 8 (Time Noted: 3:04 p.m.) 9 10 11 --------------------- 12 MEI GUO 13 14 Subscribed and sworn to before me 15 this day of 2023. 16 17 --------------------------------------- 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 800.211.DEPO (3376)\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\n03:04\n\n136\n\n\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,\n\n1 2 C E R T I F I C A T E 3 4 STATE OF NEW YORK ) 5 ) ss.: 6 COUNTY OF NEW YORK ) 7 I, LISA M. MURACO, a Notary Public 8 within and for the State of New York, 9 Florida, Massachusetts, do hereby certify: 10 That MEI GUO, the witness whose 11 deposition is hereinbefore set forth, was 12 duly sworn by me and that such deposition 13 is a true record of the testimony given by 14 such witness. 15 I further certify that I am not 16 related to any of the parties to this 17 action by blood or marriage; and that I am 18 in no way interested in the outcome of this 19 matter. 20 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto 21 set my hand this 13th day of September, 22 2023. 23 ------------------------- 24 LISA M. MURACO 25 800.211.DEPO (3376)\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\n137\n\n 2 I N D E X WITNESS PAGE MEI GUO MR. LUFT 7 8 E X H I B I T S DESCRIPTION PAGE Guo Exhibit 1, Document Entitled: 26 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC with Bates Stamp of HR 0003095 Guo Exhibit 2, Document Entitled: 27 Hudson Diamond New York LLC with Bates Stamp of HR 0002584 Guo Exhibit 3, October 25, 2019, Letter 29 to Yvette Wang with Bates Stamp of HR 002382 through 88\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 140 of 142\n\n\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 141 of 142\n\n| 1 | |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | |\n| 2 | I N D E X
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KWOK v GREENWICH, et al.
Dep. Date:
Thursday, September 13, 2023
Deponent:
MEI GUO | |\n| | CORRECTIONS: |\n| Pg. Ln. | Should Read |\n| Now Reads | Reason |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| ___ ___ | ______________ |\n| ______________ | ______ |\n| | |\n| | ____________________ |\n| Signature of Deponent
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THIS____DAY OF____________, 2023. | |\n| | |\n| _______________________________ | |\n| (Notary Public) | MY COMMISSION EXPIRES:_______ |\n\n\n\nMEI GUO\n\nIN RE: HO WAN KWOK, ET AL.,","body_zh":"证物36\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 2 页，共 142 页\nMEI GUO（郭美）\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等\n2023年9月13日 1\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n2 2023年9月13日，星期三\n3 上午10:00\n6 MEI GUO（郭美）的远程证言录取，经由 ZOOM 进行，由纽约州、佛罗里达州及马萨诸塞州公证人 LISA M. MURACO（丽莎·M·穆拉科）主持。\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等\n800.211.DEPO (3376)\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\n2023年9月13日\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1\n2 出庭人员：\n3 （远程）\n4\n5 PAUL HASTINGS（保罗·黑斯廷斯律师事务所）\n6 动议申请人及交叉被申请人之代理律师\n7 Luc A. Despins（卢克·A·德斯平斯）先生，Chapter 11 受托人，\n8 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）先生财产的受托人\n9 200 Park Avenue\n10 New York NY 10166\n11 代理律师：AVRAM LUFT, ESQ.（阿夫拉姆·拉夫特律师）\n12 Aviluft@paulhastings.com\n13 NICHOLAS BASSETT, ESQ.（尼古拉斯·巴塞特律师）\n14 Nicholasbassett@paulhastings.com\n15 EZRA SUTTON, ESQ.（埃兹拉·萨顿律师）\n16 Ezrasutton@paulhastings.com\n17 DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ.（道格拉斯·巴伦律师）\n18 Douglassbarron@paulhastings.com\n19 LUYI SONG, ESQ.（露易·宋律师）\n20 Luyisong@paulhastings.com\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）\n\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 5 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1\n2 出庭人员：\n3 （远程）\n4\n5 MEISTER SEELIG & FEIN（迈斯特、西利格及范恩律师事务所）\n6 被告 Greenwich LLC（格林尼治有限责任公司）及\n7 Hing Chi Ngok（兴志岳）之代理律师\n8 125 Park Avenue\n9 7th Floor\n10 New York, NY 10017\n11 代理律师：AUSTIN KIM, ESQ.（奥斯汀·金律师）\n12 Adk@msf-law.com\n13\n14\n15 DAY PITNEY LLP（戴·皮特尼律师事务所）\n16 证人之代理律师\n17 One Stamford Plaza, 263\n18 Tresser Blvd\n19 7th Floor\n20 Stamford, CT 06901\n21 代理律师：STANLEY A. TWARDY, ESQ.（斯坦利·A·特沃迪律师）\n22 Satwardy@daypitney.com\n23\n24\n25\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等，4\n\n2023年9月13日\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\n出庭人员：\n（远程）\n6 CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI（基耶萨、沙希尼安及贾恩托马西律师事务所）\n7 证人之代理律师\n8 One Boland Drive\n9 West Orange NJ 07052\n10 代理律师：LEE VARTAN, ESQ.（李·瓦尔坦律师）\n11 Lvartan@csglaw.com\n12 MELISSA WERNICK, ESQ.（梅丽莎·韦尼克律师）\n同时在场：Echo（艾科），普通话口译员\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等\n800.211.DEPO (3376)\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 7 页，共\n\n2023年9月13日\n\nYVer1f\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）\n\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等\n\n2 特此由本案各方\n3 律师约定并同意，\n4 免除提交及\n5 密封程序。\n6 进一步约定并同意，\n7 除对问题形式提出的异议外，\n8 所有异议均保留至\n9 审判时提出。\n10 进一步约定并同意，\n11 本证言记录可在任何获授权\n12 主持宣誓的官员面前宣誓\n13 并签署，其\n14 效力与在法院面前\n15 签署及宣誓相同。\n\n20 - oOo -\n\n2023年9月13日\n10:17\n\n10:18\n\n10:18\n\n10:18\n\nYVer1f\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）\n\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n\n2 E C H O（艾科）经正式宣誓，负责将\n3 问题由英语口译为普通话，并将\n4 回答由普通话口译为英语。\n5 M E I\nG U O（郭美）作为证人被传唤，在\n6 经公证人正式宣誓后，经由口译员接受询问并\n7 作证如下：\n8 LUFT（拉夫特）律师：\n谢谢。我们是否需要\n9 作出出庭声明，还是我们已经在\n10 记录中作出出庭声明了？\n11 法院书记员：\n我已经将其记入\n12 记录，但如果律师希望\n13 作出声明，也可以。\n14 LUFT律师：\n我没有异议。\n15 询问\n16 由LUFT律师进行：\n17 问：早上好，Guo（郭）女士。您好吗？\n18 答：我很好。谢谢。\n19 问：很好。Guo女士，我此前已对您进行过\n20 证言录取，所以我知道您熟悉这些，\n21 但请您包涵，我们先来过一遍\n22 今天的几个基本事项。\n23 答：好的。\n24 问：Guo女士，您的律师此前已告知\n25 本案各方律师，在您的证言录取之前\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n10:19\n\n10:19\n\n10:20\n\n10:20\n\n10:21\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n2 您打算就所有实体性问题主张\n3 您的第五修正案权利。\n4\n5 这是否是您对自己\n6 今天意图的理解？\n7 答：是。\n8 问：这没有问题。\n9 但是，如同我们在八月的法院\n10 聆讯中所做的那样，我需要完善记录。\n11 因此，我仍需向您提出一系列\n12 问题，之后您的律师如有此意，\n13 将指示您主张第五修正案权利，或者\n14 您可以自行主张您的第五\n15 修正案权利，然后我们可以继续进行。\n16 您是否理解今天的程序\n17 将会如此？\n18 答：我理解。\n19 问：您理解您今天是在宣誓后\n20 作证吗？\n21 答：是。\n22 问：无论是回答问题，还是\n23 主张您的第五修正案权利，您均有\n24 如实作证的义务，对吗？\n25 您理解吗？\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等，8\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 10 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n10:21\n\n10:21\n\n10:22\n\n10:22\n\n10:23\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n\n2 答：我理解。\n3 问：Guo女士，如果由于任何原因您不\n4 理解我的某个问题，您会告诉我吗？\n5\n6 答：会。\n7 问：那么，如果您——我们是否\n8 可以理解，如果您没有告诉我\n9 您不理解我的某个问题，\n10 我可以合理地认为您确实\n11 理解该问题？\n12 答：是。\n13 问：Guo女士，您是否为今天的\n14 证言录取做过任何准备？\n15 答：第五修正案。\n16 问：我忘了再问您一个基本\n17 问题。\n18 Guo女士，是否有任何理由使您\n19 今天无法提供如实证言？\n20 答：没有。\n21 问：您是否查阅过任何文件，\n22 以准备今天的证言录取？\n23 答：第五修正案。\n24 问：Guo女士，今天在此代理您的是\n25 谁？\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n10:23\n\n10:29\n\n10:30\n\n10:30\n\n10:30\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n2 答：Lee Vartan（李·瓦尔坦）和Stanley Twardy（斯坦利·特沃迪），\n3 Hearty，Twardy。\n4 口译员：抱歉，先生。\n5 LUFT律师：我们知道Stan的名字。\n6 没关系。\n7 Lisa，供您知悉，\n8 实时记录不知为何无法运行。\n9 （非记录在案讨论。）\n10 由LUFT律师继续：\n11 问：我认为我的上一个问题是，您\n12 告诉了我谁在代理您。\n13 Guo女士，在今天之前，您是否曾与\n14 Austin Kim（奥斯汀·金）交谈过？\n15 KIM律师：我想在这里\n16 插话片刻。如果您问的是是否曾发生过\n17 某次谈话，这仅需回答是或否，我\n18 不反对。\n19 LUFT律师：这正是我在问的。\n20 我只是——只需回答是或否，您是否曾\n21 与Austin Kim交谈过。\n22 KIM律师：如果只是回答是或否，\n23 那我不反对。如果您\n24 要涉及任何实质内容，若您如此做，我将提出\n25 一项关于该问题的另行异议。\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等，10\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 12 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n10:30\n\n10:31\n\n10:31\n\n10:31\n\n10:32\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n2\n3 LUFT律师：我目前的问题\n4 仅是她在今天之前是否曾与您交谈过。\n5\n6 答：回答是第五修正案。\n7 问：我并未询问任何实质内容。\n8 我只是想知道，在今天之前，您是否曾与作为\n9 被告代理律师的Kim先生\n10 交谈过？\n11 TWARDY律师：异议。已问及并已回答。\n12 她已经主张该权利。\n13 LUFT律师：我认为那并非对第五\n14 修正案的合理主张。\n15\n16 KIM律师：您当然可以向法院\n17 提出申请。\n18 LUFT律师：Kim先生？\n19 由LUFT律师继续：\n20 问：在今天之前，您是否曾与Kim先生的\n21 合伙人Chris Major（克里斯·梅杰）交谈过？\n22 答：第五修正案。\n23 问：您是否曾由\n24 Kim先生、Major先生及其律师事务所代理？\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等，11\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 13 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n10:33\n\n10:33\n\n10:33\n\n10:34\n\n10:34\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n\n2 答：第五修正案。\n3 问：请告诉我，您在今天之前与\n4 Kim先生谈过的一切内容？\n5 KIM律师：我将在这里\n6 暂且提出异议。对问题形式\n7 提出异议，并指示证人，倘若她曾以\n8 口译员身份行事，则我建议\n9 证人不要回答，理由是\n10 被告方享有特权，但\n11 证人也可以自行提出\n12 异议。\n13\n14 VARTAN律师：我也加入\n15 该异议。\n16 答：回答是第五修正案。\n17 LUFT律师：Kim先生，我只是想\n18 理解您的异议。\n19 Guo女士此前是否曾在您出席的\n20 会议中担任口译员？\n21 KIM律师：今天并非对我进行\n22 证言录取。我的异议很明确，已记入\n23 记录，证人也已提出她自己的\n24 异议。因此，我认为——\n25 LUFT律师：不，Austin，拜托。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 14 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n10:34\n\n10:34\n\n10:35\n\n10:35\n\n10:35\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n\n2 那不合理。您基于她可能\n3 曾担任翻译这一想法提出异议。\n4 这是我第一次听说此事。\n5 这没有问题。\n6 但我希望了解情况。您告诉\n7 我她曾担任翻译，那么您可以\n8 说明她曾为谁担任翻译，\n9 那我就会理解。但您只是坐在\n10 那里提出异议并说，但我不会\n11 告诉你那是怎么回事。\n12 我认为您不能这样做。\n13 KIM律师：好的。我们已提出\n14 异议。异议已记入记录。\n15 异议的依据\n16 非常明确，我们将坚持\n17 该异议。\n18 LUFT律师：这百分之百\n19 不明确。您就她曾担任翻译的情形提出异议，\n20 但她尚未作证称她曾担任\n21 翻译。您不会告诉我她是否\n22 曾担任翻译，所以我不\n23 理解，您如何能够基于她担任翻译\n24 而指示她不要回答\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 15 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\n10:36\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n\n2 如果没有基础证明她曾\n3 担任翻译，或者她曾为谁\n4 担任翻译。\n5 KIM律师：您可以问——\n6 （多名发言人同时讲话。）\n7 LUFT律师：——我只是想了解\n8 范围。我并未问她\n9 说了什么或任何其他事情。\n10 我理解翻译在特权方面如何运作。\n11 但您至少必须证明她曾\n12 担任翻译。\n13 您若想告诉我她曾是某次会议的\n14 翻译，这没问题。\n15 但就这样把它提出来，仿佛——并且\n16 指示她不要回答，我认为\n17 并不适当。因此，我只是想\n18 了解，Austin，究竟怎么回事。\n19 KIM律师：没问题。因此，您\n20 可以询问坐在这里接受——\n21 回答您问题的被询问人，所以——\n22 LUFT律师：Austin——\n23 （多名发言人同时讲话。）\n24 KIM律师：——Guo女士在这里。您\n25 可以问她问题。我们已经提出了我们的\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 16 页，共 142 页\nMEI GUO（郭美）\n2023年9月13日\n\n1 M. GUO（郭）\n\n异议。\n\n我们坚持该异议。我认为这是适当的异议。如果您不同意，也无妨。您不必同意我的看法，但这就是我们的异议，我不是来回答问题的。\n\n（多名发言人同时讲话。）\n\nLUFT先生：不，但您负有坦诚义务，并且应当具有善意依据来提出异议。形式异议的目的，是使另一位律师能够理解某一问题，从而使我们能够形成清晰的记录。而您基本上只是说，我不会告诉您任何关于我为何这样说的内容，尤其是在证人针对这些问题援引美国宪法第五修正案的情况下，我认为这是不合理的。我认为这是不适当的，而且我当然不理解，因为如果她一直担任翻译，那么我会理解，我也不会试图探究受特权保护的信息；但是，您知道，如果您要告诉我，不——尽管有上述一切且没有相反论点，您只是要坚持这样一种观点，即您不必说任何事情，您可以仅仅指示一名并非您的证人不予回答，那——\n\n（多名发言人同时讲话。）\n\nKIM先生：那是对我刚才所说内容的歪曲。Avi，那完全是歪曲。我已向您明确、清楚地说明了作出该指示的依据。我不会详述所讨论的内容。我不会提供任何细节来回答您的问题。我不是接受讯问的人。我们在此是为了郭女士的证言。您可以询问证人，她将按照她认为适当的方式回答。这就是异议。\n\nLUFT先生：好。好的。那么我们就按您的方式来，Austin。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，KIM先生有多少次向您提供在本次证言中应作出的回答？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：Austin先生——您是否与Austin先生——KIM先生和MAJOR先生会面，讨论在本次证言中应当如何陈述的策略？\n\nKIM先生：异议。形式异议。\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：KIM先生和MAJOR先生是否告诉您，您今天需要作出哪些回答以帮助您的母亲在本诉讼中获胜？\n\nVARTAN先生：同一异议。\n\nKIM先生：对形式提出异议。\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：好的。您是否曾在KIM先生和MAJOR先生出席的会议中担任口译员？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\nKIM先生：对形式提出异议。已问且已答。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：MAJOR先生和KIM先生是否告诉您，某些回答会更有利于您母亲的案件？\n\nVARTAN先生：对形式提出异议。\n\nKIM先生：异议。已问且已答。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：请告诉我，截至今天之前，MAJOR先生和KIM先生在您与他们共同参加的会议中告诉过您的所有事情？\n\nKIM先生：异议。已问且已答。\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：您是否曾与KIM先生和MAJOR先生参加会议，在会上他们讨论了Greenwich Land以及您的妻子Hing Chi Ngok——的策略？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：抱歉。您的母亲。\n\nKIM先生：对形式提出异议。已问且已答。我再次建议证人基于特权不予回答，证人可以回答并援引其自身特权。\n\nLUFT先生：抱歉，Austin，您所指的是何种特权？\n\nKIM先生：我之前说过，我们已经相当清楚地陈述了我们的异议。现在，我的意思是，您对此不满意，也无妨。\n\nLUFT先生：不，不，不。她不是您的当事人，所以我需要知道——\n\n（多名发言人同时讲话。）\n\nKIM先生：——这是有效的异议。我们已在记录中提出该异议。\n\nLUFT先生：她不是您的当事人，那么您针对您与她之间的谈话援引的是何种特权？\n\nKIM先生：再次，如我在本次证言开始时所说，在提供口译服务的范围内，该等服务将受到特权保护。我认为您对此十分清楚。我们现在已经数次援引该特权——\n\nLUFT先生：我不知道有什么口译特权。\n\n（多名发言人同时讲话。）\n\nLUFT先生：Austin，并未有任何口译——任何人都没有作证称曾进行任何口译。因此——\n\nKIM先生：那么，您可以询问证人，证人会作出回答。\n\nLUFT先生：我问了。\n\nKIM先生：好的。我不是来接受讯问并回答您的问题的。证人是来接受讯问并回答您的问题的。因此，您可以询问证人，而我们可以提出异议。\n\nLUFT先生：我认为这完全不适当，Austin。您甚至不愿告诉我——她是您的当事人吗？\n\nKIM先生：您可以向证人提出您的问题。\n\nLUFT先生：请记录在案，KIM先生不会披露郭女士是否为其当事人。\n\nKIM先生：这完全不适当。证人是来回答问题的。受托人已通知，本日证言是为郭女士进行的证言，因此，律师应当将其问题向接受讯问人提出。\n\n这不是供一般群体进行问答的环节。这是为今天被通知到场的证人而设。\n\nLUFT先生：好的。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，截至今天之前，您与KIM先生和MAJOR先生会面过多少次？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。已问且已答。\n\nKIM先生：异议。已问且已答。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：郭女士，MAJOR先生和KIM先生是否告诉您，您的母亲和Greenwich Land在本诉讼中胜诉符合您的个人利益？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\nKIM先生：异议。已问且已答。我的意思是，Avi，您以一百种不同方式反复问同样的问题。我认为这已经变得——这已经变得——\n\nLUFT先生：Austin，停下。\n\nKIM先生：这已经到了骚扰证人的地步，但您知道，这是您的选择。\n\nLUFT先生：我甚至无法确定您是否代表她，但我的问题是一个新问题——\n\n（多名发言人同时讲话。）\n\nKIM先生：您正在提问，而您所问的每一个问题中恰好都有我的名字，所以我认为——\n\nLUFT先生：请停下。\n\nKIM先生：——我插话是公平的。\n\nLUFT先生：请停下。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：您可以回答我的问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：同一异议。\n\n口译员：请允许口译员翻译该问题。\n\nVARTAN先生：抱歉。很好。\n\n口译员：谢谢您，先生。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。除MAJOR先生和KIM先生外，您还曾与谁会面，为您今天的证言作准备？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：郭女士，您确实曾与MAJOR先生和KIM先生会面，为您今天的证言作准备，对吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\nKIM先生：异议。已问且已答。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：郭女士，您由KIM先生和MAJOR先生代理吗？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。\n\nKIM先生：对形式提出异议。已问且已答。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。郭女士，您是Hudson Diamond Holdings的唯一成员，对吗？\n\n答：（以英语）根据我律师的建议，我谨此拒绝依据美国宪法第五修正案回答，该修正案保护无辜者，使其无需回答那些若如实回答可能被用来造成误导性印象、使人认为他们以某种方式参与了其未实施的犯罪的问题。谢谢。\n\n问：郭女士，您刚才宣读的那份陈述是谁写的？\n\nVARTAN先生：异议。您不必回答。\n\nLUFT先生：当然她必须回答，VARTAN先生。当然她必须回答。\n\nTWARDY先生：我将对此主张特权。\n\nLUFT先生：您不会主张特权，却又指示她不予回答，然后我们再继续。但您不能告诉她，她根本不必回答该问题。给出指示——\n\n（多名发言人同时讲话。）\n\nTWARDY先生：她回答了您关于Hudson的问题，她已经回答了。\n\n而且她不会回答有关——有关她与律师讨论内容的问题。\n\nLUFT先生：各位，停下。如果您想指示她不予回答，就这样做。\n\nVARTAN先生：我刚才已经这样做了。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，让我们把记录弄清楚。您刚才读入记录的那份陈述是谁写的？\n\nVARTAN先生：我们指示她不予回答。\n\nTWARDY先生：我指示她不予回答。\n\nLUFT先生询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您会遵从律师的建议吗？\n\n答：是的，正确。\n\n问：好的。郭女士，Hudson Diamond Holdings百分之百持有Hudson Diamond New York，对吗？\n\n口译员：希望重新翻译。\n\n郭梅\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。\n\n问：郭女士，您的父亲让您作为 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC（哈德逊钻石控股有限责任公司）名义上的唯一成员，对吗？\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案，美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。让我们将带有 Bates 编号 HR 0003095 的文件标记为证物 1。\n\n（郭梅证物 1，题为：带有 Bates 编号 HR 0003095 的 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC 文件，标记供识别。）\n\nTWARDY 先生：我们还没有看到。\n\nLUFT 先生：它在聊天窗口里。\n\nKIM 先生：是标签 2 吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：是。\n\n证人：标签 2。哦，好的。\n\nTWARDY 先生：好的。我们现在有了。谢谢。\n\nLUFT 先生：很好。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭女士，这是一份题为 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC 的文件，在成员一栏中载有该成员的姓名，并且\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等人，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 28 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:51\n\n10:52\n\n10:52\n\n10:52\n\n10:53\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\n列有您的姓名，地址为 162 East 64th Street, New York, New York 10065——\n\n（多人同时发言。）\n\n答：这是一个问题吗？您能否重复一下您的问题？\n\n问：是的，女士。我是问，您是否看到我刚刚向您指出的文件内容？\n\n答：是的，我可以看到这份文件。\n\n问：其中所载信息是准确的，对吗？\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。\n\n让我们将带有 Bates 编号 HR 0002584、题为 Hudson Diamond New York LLC（哈德逊钻石纽约有限责任公司）的文件标记为证物 2。\n\n（郭梅证物 2，题为：带有 Bates 编号 HR 0002584 的 Hudson Diamond New York LLC 文件，标记供识别。）\n\nTWARDY 先生：这是标签 3 吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：正确，先生。\n\nTWARDY 先生：谢谢。\n\n如果您除了文件编号之外，也告知我们标签编号，将有助于我们加快进度。谢谢。\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等人，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 29 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\n10:53\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\nLUFT 先生：标签与此无关。\n\nTWARDY 先生：只是为了让我们能迅速找到它。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。目前已有两份文件。这是第二份。\n\nVARTAN 先生：Avi，他只是这么说，因为它们在聊天窗口中被标为标签 2、标签 3。\n\nLUFT 先生：我明白。有——我的意思只是，这不在文件上。这是内部代码。\n\n（多人同时发言。）\n\nVARTAN 先生：——但这是您为文件命名时显示出来的方式——\n\n（多人同时发言。）\n\nLUFT 先生：没问题。我会尽力协助标明这一点。\n\nTWARDY 先生：谢谢，Avi。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 30 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:54\n\n10:54\n\n10:54\n\n10:55\n\n10:55\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\nLUFT 先生：没问题。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：郭女士，您现在面前有被标记为证物 2 的文件吗？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：您看到这份文件写着 Hudson Diamond New York LLC，其地址也是 162 East 64th Street, New York, New York 10065，并且在成员姓名一栏中写着 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC，在成员权益一栏中写着 100 percent，管理人员为 Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）和 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）。\n\n您看到了吗？\n\n答：是的，我看到了。\n\n问：本文件中所载信息同样是准确的，对吗？\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 先生：让我们将带有 Bates 编号 HR 002382 至 88 的文件标记为证物 3，供律师参考，该文件将显示为标签 4。\n\n（郭梅证物 3，2019 年 10 月 25 日致 Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）的信函，带有 Bates 编号 HR 002382 至 88，标记供识别。）\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等人，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 31 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:56\n\n10:56\n\n10:57\n\n10:57\n\n10:57\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\nTWARDY 先生：谢谢。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：您看到该文件后请告知我。请告知我。\n\n（审阅文件。）\n\nTWARDY 先生：Avi，我们正在审阅它。\n\nLUFT 先生：我明白。不着急。\n\n（审阅文件。）\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：我的第一个问题仅涉及文件的第一页，之后我会问一些里面的内容。我们会共享屏幕，以便各位能看到我所看的内容。\n\nTWARDY 先生：谢谢。\n\nLUFT 先生：没问题。我看不到 Austin 的视频了。他还在吗？\n\nKIM 先生：是的，我还在。我还在。现在您可以看到我了。\n\nLUFT 先生：哦，好的。我只是想\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等人，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 32 of 142\n\nMEI GUO\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n郭梅\n\n确认我们没有失去任何内容。\n\nKIM 先生：就这份文件而言，我不反对整份文件，但我要说明，为了记录在案，我保留提出异议的权利，前提是该文件披露了与 Greenwich Land LLC（格林尼治地产有限责任公司）和被告有关的任何特权信息；该被告在起诉状中的姓名为 Hing Chi Ngok（邢志诺）。\n\n但您可以继续提问。\n\nLUFT 先生：Austin，您是否知道 Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯律师事务所）与您的当事人之间存在任何特权关系？\n\nKIM 先生：我只是为了记录在案说明，若这里的文件披露了属于被告的特权信息，我提出异议。\n\n但我并未指示证人不要回答，也不是说您不能就该文件提问。这——这就是我所做的全部。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。我认为，如果您没有善意理由相信存在特权\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n10:57\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\nYVer1f\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 33 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:58\n\n10:58\n\n10:59\n\n10:59\n\n10:59\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\n关系，却对证人说，嘿，也许您不应回答某些问题，因为其中可能有特权内容——\n\n（多人同时发言。）\n\nKIM 先生：我没有指示证人做任何事，Avi。我没有指示证人做任何事。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。我明白。您只是提出这一点，即，您知道，其中可能有特权内容，您或许应当担心。\n\n再说一次，您——这并不适当。我们将继续。但如果您没有善意理由——\n\n（多人同时发言。）\n\nKIM 先生：我没有向证人暗示任何特权关系。\n\n您可以向证人提问。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生提问：\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等人，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 34 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n10:59\n\n11:00\n\n11:00\n\n11:01\n\n11:01\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\n问：郭女士，您看到该人——文件上写着致 Golden Spring New York LTD（金泉纽约有限公司）的 Yvette Wang 女士吗？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：王女士在 Golden Spring 工作，对吗？\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：王女士在 Golden Spring 向其汇报的人员是您的父亲，即债务人，对吗？\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。\n\n文件写道：我附上供您审阅的是一份组织结构图草案，涉及我们——即 Hodgson Russ——保管公司记录的各实体。您看到了吗？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：他们附上公司结构图的实体，即 China Golden Spring Group Hong Kong Limited（中国金泉集团香港有限公司）、Genever Holdings Corporation（吉尼弗控股公司）、Greenwich Land LLC、Hudson Diamond Holdings、Hudson Diamond New York 和 Hudson Diamond Inc.（哈德逊钻石公司），以及 Saraca Media Group（萨拉卡媒体集团），\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等人，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 35 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:02\n\n11:02\n\n11:03\n\n11:03\n\n11:03\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\n均为由您的父亲，即债务人控制和拥有的实体，对吗？\n\nKIM 先生：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n我之前不确定自己是否处于静音状态，所以我想确保我对提问形式的异议已载入记录。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：如果您翻到文件内几页后的第 5 页，那里有 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC、Hudson Diamond New York LLC 的组织结构图。您看到了吗？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：该文件显示您——您控制 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC，而其直接控制 Hudson Diamond New York LLC，对吗？\n\nKIM 先生：异议。\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：郭女士，尽管您被列为控制 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC 的名义人员，但实际上，是您的父亲，即债务人，控制 Hudson Diamond Holdings\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:03\n\n11:03\n\n11:04\n\n11:04\n\n11:04\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\nLLC 以及 Hudson Diamond New York LLC，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 先生：异议。\n\nKIM 先生：对提问形式提出异议。缺乏基础。歪曲了您现在持有的文件。\n\n并且，就范围而言，Avi，本案中为此证言录取而发出通知的被告是 Greenwich Land LLC 和 Hing Chi Ngok。若您深入探究超出举行本次对抗程序证言录取范围的其他事项，我认为这是不适当的。\n\n我建议，证言录取应聚焦于与本诉讼被告相关的争议事项。\n\nTWARDY 先生：您不需要——\n\n口译员：口译员正在翻译问题。我应当——？\n\nLUFT 先生：您应当翻译我的问题。如果郭女士希望听到 Austin 先生的发言，您也可以翻译该发言。我认为\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:05\n\n11:05\n\n11:05\n\n11:05\n\n11:06\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n郭梅\n\n这不相关，但她可以听取所说的一切。\n\n口译员：好的。口译员可以澄清一下吗？口译员必须翻译问题，然后我会对讨论内容作出概述。这样可以吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：可以。我只想明确：郭女士，这是我的问题，然后我得到——对该问题的明确回答。\n\n口译员：是的，以便口译员翻译问题。\n\nTWARDY 先生：我们不需要讨论口译问题。\n\n口译员：好的。谢谢您，先生。口译员将翻译问题。\n\nTWARDY 先生：谢谢。\n\n答：美国宪法第五修正案。\n\n问：如果我们看前一页，那里有一份类似的组织结构图——这次是关于 Greenwich Land 的。\n\n而这一份写着——列出了您的\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等人，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 38 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:06\n\n11:07\n\n11:07\n\n11:08\n\n11:08\n\nYVer1f\n\nEsquireSolutions.com\n\nMEI GUO\n\n郭梅\n\n2 母亲 Hing Chi Ngok（邢志岳）——或者让我先打下一个\n3 基本基础。\n4 Hing Chi Ngok 是你\n5 母亲的名字，对吗？\n6 答。\n是的，我母亲的名字是 Hing Chi\n7 Ngok。\n8 问。\n你父亲的名字是 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵），\n9 对吗？\n10 答。\n对。\n11 问。\n他也使用 Miles Kwok 和 Miles\n12 Guo 这两个名字，对吗？\n13 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n14 问。\n你是否听过有人称呼\n15 你父亲为 Miles Kwok？\n16 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n17 问。\n就今天的证言录取而言，\n18 你是否希望我称呼他为——让我把这句话\n19 删除。\n20 今天当我提到你父亲\n21 和债务人时，你会知道我指的是谁\n22 吗？\n23 答。\n是。\n24 问。\n好的。我们就这样进行。\n25 好的。那么，如果我们看这一页，\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 39 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n11:08\n\n11:09\n\n11:09\n\n11:09\n\n11:10\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO（郭美）\n2 它显示——其中列明 Ms. Ngok（邢女士）控制\n3 Greenwich Land LLC。\n4 你看到了吗？\n5 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n6 曲解文件。缺乏基础。\n7 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n8 答。\n我看到了。\n9 问。\nGuo 女士，事实上，在任何时候，你\n10 父亲均拥有并控制 Greenwich Land\n11 LLC，对吗？\n12 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n13 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n14 KIM 律师：缺乏基础。\n15 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n16 问。\n回到 Hudson Diamond\n17 Holdings。在任何时候，你父亲均拥有\n18 Hudson Diamond Holdings，对吗？\n19 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n20 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n21 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n22 问。\n在任何时候，你父亲均\n23 控制 Hudson Diamond Holdings？\n24 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n25 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n\n·\n\nMEI GUO（郭美）\n\n关于 HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等人之事，\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 40 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:10\n\n11:10\n\n11:11\n\n11:11\n\n11:11\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n3 问。\n在任何时候，你父亲均拥有\n4 Hudson Diamond Holdings 的全部资产？\n5 VARTAN 律师：\n异议。\n6 KIM 律师：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n7 LUFT 律师提问：\n8 问。\n对吗？\n9 KIM 律师：\n对提问形式提出异议。已问\n10 并已答——（音频中断）——\n11 本对抗程序中本次证言录取的\n12 通知。\n13 LUFT 律师：\n抱歉。你说什么？我\n14 没听到你说话，Austin。你的声音断了。\n15 KIM 律师：\n我道歉。我正在\n16 对提问形式提出异议。并且\n17 Hudson Diamond 不是本\n18 对抗程序的被告，本次\n19 证言录取正是在该对抗程序中被通知进行的。\n20 LUFT 律师：\n这是真的。他们\n21 不是被告。这与我的\n22 问题无关，但他们\n23 不是被告这一事实是真的。\n24 你可以继续。\n25 口译员：\n请允许\n\n·\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 41 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:11\n\n11:12\n\n11:12\n\n11:13\n\n11:13\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO\n2 口译员翻译该问题。\n3 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n4 问。\n在任何时候，你父亲均\n5 控制 Hudson Diamond\n6 Holdings 的全部资产，对吗？\n7 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n8 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n9 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n10 问。\n在任何时候，Hudson Diamond Holdings\n11 及其任何关联公司和子公司的任何\n12 资金转移，均由你父亲、债务人\n13 指示进行，对吗？\n14 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n15 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n16 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n17 问。\n在任何时候，你父亲均拥有\n18 Hudson Diamond New York LLC，对吗？\n19 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n20 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n21 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n22 问。\n在任何时候，你父亲均\n23 控制 Hudson Diamond New York LLC，\n24 对吗？\n25 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。关于 HO WAN KWOK 等人之事，40\n\n·\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 42 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:13\n\n11:14\n\n11:14\n\n11:14\n\n11:15\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO\n2 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n3 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n4 问。\n在任何时候，你父亲均拥有\n5 并控制 Hudson Diamond New\n6 York LLC 的全部资产，对吗？\n7 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n8 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n9 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n10 问。\n在任何时候，向 Hudson Diamond New York LLC\n11 转入和从其转出的任何资金\n12 均完全由你父亲单独指示和控制\n13 进行，对吗？\n14 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n15 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n16 缺乏基础。\n17 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n18 问。\nHudson Diamond Holdings 的所有\n19 银行账户均按照你父亲、债务人\n20 的指示开立，对吗？\n21 VARTAN 律师：异议。\n22 KIM 律师：对提问形式提出异议。\n23 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n24 问。\n在任何时候，你父亲，即\n25 债务人，均对所有银行账户享有排他性控制权。关于 HO WAN KWOK 等人之事，41\n\n·\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 43 of 142\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n11:15\n\n11:16\n\n11:16\n\n11:16\n\n11:16\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 以 Hudson Diamond\n3 Holdings 名义开立的账户，对吗？\n4 VARTAN 律师：\n异议。\n5 KIM 律师：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n6 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n7 KIM 律师：\n嘿，Avi，我们已经进行了大约\n8 一个小时。由你决定，现在是否是\n9 休息的合适时间，或者你是否想\n10 完成你的提问。\n11 LUFT 律师：\n我想完成我的\n12 提问。\n13 KIM 律师：\n好的。\n14 LUFT 律师：\n谢谢。\n15 LUFT 律师提问：\n16 问。\nHudson Diamond\n17 New York LLC 的所有银行账户均按照\n18 你父亲、债务人的指示开立，对吗？\n19 VARTAN 律师：\n异议。\n20 KIM 律师：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n21 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n22 问。\n在任何时候，Hudson Diamond New York LLC 的所有银行账户\n23 均一直\n24 完全由你父亲、\n25 债务人控制，对吗？\n\n·\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 44 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 VARTAN 律师：\n异议。\n3 KIM 律师：\n对提问形式提出异议。并且\n4 我只是想重申我\n5 先前所说的话。Hudson Diamond 不是\n6 本程序中的被告。而且这已经\n7 就一个非被告实体的问题进行了，我想，大约 10、15 分钟\n8 。\n9 Avi，如果你想为此奠定一些基础，\n10 那么我可以更好地理解。但就\n11 目前而言，看起来你是在询问\n12 某一非当事人，出于其他\n13 与本诉讼无关的原因。\n14 LUFT 律师：\nAustin，我会保持\n15 礼貌，只是说，如果你一直在\n16 阅读本案——本案证言录取的\n17 笔录，\n18 那么为何所有这些问题\n19 均具有直接相关性将极其清楚。我不会再\n20 多说，好吗？\n21 而且我希望证人\n22 回答我的问题。\n23 口译员：\n请允许\n24 口译员翻译。\n25 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:16\n\n11:17\n\n11:17\n\n11:17\n\n11:17\n\nYVer1f\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 45 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 问。\nGuo 女士，Hudson\n3 Diamond New York LLC 的银行账户中曾经存在的所有\n4 资金，均为由你父亲、债务人\n5 拥有和控制的资金，\n6 对吗？\n7 KIM 律师：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n8 VARTAN 律师：\n异议。\n9 KIM 律师：\n缺乏基础。含糊不清。\n10 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\n11 问。\nHudson Diamond New York LLC 按照你父亲的指示\n12 在 Capital One Bank 开立了\n13 银行账户，对吗？\n14 VARTAN 律师：\n异议。\n15 KIM 律师：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n16 缺乏基础。含糊不清。\n17 答。\n援引《美国宪法第五修正案》。\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 46 of 142\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 47 of 142\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 48 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n关于 HO WAN KWOK 等人之事，\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 记录，但我不——听着，Austin，如果你\n3 想约定——\n4 Guo 女士的证言——\n5 （多人同时说话。）\n6 KIM 律师：\n我尚未见到\n7 笔录，因此我现在不能就任何我\n8 未见过的内容作出约定。但是我只是——我只是想\n9 简化这个程序，如果它是公开的——如果它已经是\n10 公开记录的一部分，那么我倾向于\n11 同意 Lee 的意见，即我们可以简化此事，\n12 只是为了节省记录所需时间，但这是你的\n13 证言录取，所以你可以按你\n14 希望的方式继续。\n15 LUFT 律师：\n我认为我们需要这样做。\n16 我不认为程序是这样运作的，\n17 但如果你们——正如我所说，如果你们想\n18 阅读笔录，并且你们想\n19 作出约定，达成协议，以便明确\n20 该笔录可以被采纳，\n21 你知道，我们可以处理此事——或者我\n22 可以将其作为证言使用，我们可以尝试\n23 这样做，但事实是，我认为此时\n24 我只要继续——只是继续，速度会更快。\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:23\n11:23\n\n11:24\n\n11:24\n\n11:24\n\nYVer1f\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 49 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO\n2 现在处理完这些。\n3 那么我们继续进行。\n4 口译员：各位律师，你们\n5 需要——\n6 LUFT 律师：不，我不——\n7 TWARDY 律师：你不需要——\n8 Echo，你不需要翻译那个。\n9 口译员：好的。各位律师，\n10 我们能否确定，冗长的讨论\n11 将不予翻译？\n12 LUFT 律师：我认为我们\n13 可能应当逐案决定。\n14 我不担心。我对此没有问题。但是\n15 应由她的律师决定他们希望如何\n16 处理。\n17 口译员：好的。好的。\n18 TWARDY 律师：如果我们需要你，\n19 我们会通知你，Echo。谢谢。\n20 口译员：谢谢。那么\n21 请继续。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 50 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 51 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n13 LUFT 律师：\nKim 律师，如果你想休息，现在是一个\n14 很合适的时间。\n15 KIM 律师：\n听起来很好。\n16 TWARDY 律师：\n五分钟。\n17 KIM 律师：\n既然这是第一次，要不要十分钟？\n18 我不介意。\n19 TWARDY 律师：\n五分钟对我来说就可以。\n20 KIM 律师：\n好的。很好。\n21 TWARDY 律师：\n谢谢。\n23 （休庭。）\n24 LUFT 律师：\n好的。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 54 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 55 of 142 MEI GUO September 13, 2023\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 KIM 律师：\n好的。很好。是的，我\n3 只是想——在你沿着这一\n4 提问路线继续之前，而这实际上\n5 也适用于此前的几份\n6 证物。这些似乎是\n7 未在本诉讼中披露的文件，而且这些并非\n8 提供给被告律师的\n9 文件。因此，这是我们第一次\n10 看到该文件以及其他\n11 文件。\n13 我只是想，你知道，\n14 询问为什么这些文件\n15 在本对抗程序中首次被提出\n16 是在证言录取时，而不是\n17 为回应被告的文件请求而被\n18 披露。因此，基于\n19 该理由，我确实反对就未在本诉讼中\n20 披露的文件询问证人。\n21 这也适用于\n22 标签 8 的这份文件——我不知道\n23 它是第几号证物，但它是 Hudson Diamond 在\n24 Capital One 的账户，期间为 July 1, 2019, and July 31, 2019，\n25 ，\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:43\n\n11:43\n\n11:43\n\n11:44\n\n11:44\n\nYVer1f\nCase 22-50073 Doc 2292-36 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 56 of 142\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 其 Bates 编号为 Cap Kwok 000049，并且也适用于此前\n3 已被提出的\n4 文件。\n5 口译员：各位律师，你们\n6 需要翻译他的陈述吗？\n7 LUFT 律师：\n我觉得没有必要。这取决于——\n9 （多人同时说话。）\n10 TWARDY 律师：\n我们不需要翻译\n11 那个。\n12 抱歉。我们的麦克风处于\n13 闪电状态。\n14 口译员：\n谢谢。\n15 LUFT 律师：\n我们准备好继续了吗？\n16 TWARDY 律师：\n我们准备好了。\n17 LUFT 律师提问：\n18 问。\n好的。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 57 页，共 142 页\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 58 页，共 142 页 梅·郭 September 13, 2023\n\nM. 郭\n\n我们稍后可以讨论，为何受托人认为适宜向本程序中的被告隐匿应予提供的实质性文件。而且，这是我们此前已经会面并协商过的议题。我认为，受托人就迄今一直未予提供的新文件询问证人是不妥当的。这是一项持续性异议，适用于本文件、此前未在本诉讼中提供的文件，以及今后任何其他补充文件。我可以每次提出同一异议，或者，只要这些是在本次证言录取中使用、且此前未向被告提供的文件，我们可以提出一项持续性异议。Avi，您希望如何处理？您希望对这些文件提出持续性异议，还是希望我每次都提出异议？由您决定。\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com 11:47\n\n11:47\n\n11:47\n\n11:47\n\n11:47\n\nYVer1f\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 59 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n11:48\n\n11:48\n\n11:49\n\n11:49\n\n11:49\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nM. 郭\n\nLUFT 律师：Kim 律师，我听到了您的异议。好的。我们能暂停一秒钟吗？我们暂时停止记录一秒钟。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n口译员：各位律师，口译员尚未翻译该问题。您需要翻译吗？\n\nLUFT 律师：不需要。Kim 律师，您在线吗？\n\nKIM 律师：是。\n\nLUFT 律师：我们正在记录吗？\n\n法庭书记员：是的。\n\nLUFT 律师：Kim 律师，这份文件已向您提供。所有这些文件均已向您提供。它们均于 September 5th 向您提供。\n\n（音频中断。）\n\nLUFT 律师：这份文件两天前曾被使用，并作为证物交给您的同事，也是在 Ngok 女士的证言录取中。您想花一分钟确认一下吗？然后您是否愿意——\n\n梅·郭\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等，\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 60 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n撤回您的异议？\n\nKIM 律师：对此我很抱歉。我刚才静音了。我明白了。您是对的；我是错的。继续吧。\n\nLUFT 律师：继续什么？继续由您撤回异议吗？\n\nKIM 律师：我刚才说了您是对的；我是错的。明白了，是的。就这份特定文件而言，是的。\n\nLUFT 律师：至于您此前提出异议的那些文件——\n\n（多人同时发言。）\n\nKIM 律师：——我需要确认，但如果您陈述它们已经提供，好吧，但我仍须确认。\n\nLUFT 律师：这些文件已向您提供，Kim 律师，我认为下次您在提出指控之前应当先核实。我们继续。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：好的。郭女士，让我们将其标记为证物——\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 61 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\nLUFT 律师：我们继续——Kim 律师，我不再与您花费时间。\n\n（多人同时发言。）\n\nKIM 律师：请原谅。如果您陈述它们已经提供，我将接受您的陈述。我只是查看前几天作出的最新提供，未看到开头的文件。但如果您陈述它们已被提供，那么也许确实已被提供。如果已被提供，则无异议。如果未被提供，则我保留异议。\n\nLUFT 律师：我们将核实。我确实知道，其中至少一份也已经是本案记录中的一项证物——在主案中。我们将继续。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 62 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 63 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 64 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 65 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 66 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 67 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 69 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n问：郭女士，您的母亲 Hing Chi Ngok（Ngok 兴芝）从未担任 Hudson Diamond New York（纽约哈德逊钻石）的董事、高级管理人员或成员，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：郭女士，您的母亲 Hing Chi Ngok 无权强制 Hudson Diamond New York 向 Greenwich Land LLC（格林威治土地有限责任公司）转移资金，对吗？\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。缺乏基础。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 70 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 72 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 73 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 74 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 76 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 77 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\nM. 郭\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 79 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\nLUFT 律师：让我们将其标记为证物——请稍候。抱歉。\n\nTWARDY 律师：请稍候片刻。\n\n（程序暂停。）\n\nTWARDY 律师：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：您是否熟悉一个名为——的实体？\n\nVARTAN 律师：Avi，Stan 不在房间里。\n\nLUFT 律师：哦，抱歉。我不知道我们已停止记录。\n\nTWARDY 律师：抱歉。谢谢。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 80 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:31\n\n12:32\n\n12:32\n\n12:32\n\n12:32\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nM. 郭\n\nVARTAN 律师：他回来了。\n\nLUFT 律师：大家想休息一下吗？无论是否休息，我都可以。\n\nVARTAN 律师：由 Mei 决定。\n\nTWARDY 律师：Mei 没问题。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。法庭书记员怎么样？\n\n法庭书记员：我还能再坚持二十分钟，然后休息。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。我会记住。Lisa，如果我忘了，请提醒我，好吗？\n\nTWARDY 律师：也许我们会结束。\n\nLUFT 律师：那就太好了。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：好的。让我们——\n\nLUFT 律师：我们恢复记录了吗？\n\n法庭书记员：是。\n\nTWARDY 律师：请。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：郭女士，您是否熟悉一个名为 Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC（吉普赛梅食品服务有限责任公司）的实体？\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等，79\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 81 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:32\n\n12:33\n\n12:33\n\n12:34\n\n12:34\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nM. 郭\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：事实上，您是该实体的唯一成员，对吗？\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\nLUFT 律师：让我们将带有 Bates 编号 HR 0003000 至 3032 的文件标记为证物 12。\n\n（郭证物 12，Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC 有限责任公司协议，标记供识别。）\n\nLUFT 律师：我向您陈述，该文件是 Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯）作为 Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC 的档案向我们提供的。\n\nTWARDY 律师：标签 28？\n\nLUFT 律师：正确。\n\n（审阅文件。）\n\n答：好的。我看到了。\n\n问：好的。具体而言，我要请您查看 HR 0000——抱歉——00003019 至 24 页，其标题是——\n\nKIM 律师：Avi，请问一下，这份文件是否在郭女士的证言录取中使用过？\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 82 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:35\n\n12:35\n\n12:36\n\n12:36\n\n12:36\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nM. 郭\n\nLUFT 律师：使用过，Austin。它已被标记为证物。\n\nKIM 律师：好的。明白。\n\nLUFT 律师：如我所说，其标题为：Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC 有限责任公司协议。\n\n问：您看到了吗？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\nKIM 律师：并且为澄清我们先前的异议，我理解该文件此前已作为证物引入，但我们仍保留对受托人在证言录取中首次引入该文件的异议。我不确定该文件是否——我不清楚该文件是否已在文件提供中提供。看起来它已作为证言录取程序的证物引入。因此，我们保留异议。但请继续，Avi。\n\nLUFT 律师：好的。\n\nLUFT 律师询问：\n\n问：我们翻到页码末尾为 3023 的一页。您看到其中写道：兹证明，唯一成员已签署本协议，使其自上文首次载明的日期和年度起生效。\n\n关于：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）等，81\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 83 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n然后，签名线下方的姓名是 Mei Guo（郭美）？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：那是您的签名，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：好的。您看到下一页的附表 A 下写着：成员姓名和地址，Mei Guo，出资额 \\$100，成员权益 100 percent？\n\n答：我看到了。\n\n问：并且所有这些信息均正确无误，对吗？\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC 最初设立时，是打算由您开设某种饮酒场所，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 84 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:39\n\n12:39\n\n12:40\n\n12:40\n\n12:40\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nM. 郭\n\n问：我记不清确切情况，但我认为原计划是在 Lower East Side（下东区）开设一家酒吧，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n口译员：请给我一点时间。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：事实上，Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC 从未实际经营过任何业务，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Gypsy Mei Food Services 从未向任何其他实体出借过任何资金，对吗？\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：Gypsy Mei Food Services 从未获得任何收入，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 85 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n12:41\n\n12:41\n\n12:42\n\n12:42\n\n12:43\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nM. 郭\n\n问：不过，Gypsy Mei Food Service 确实有一个银行账户，对吗？\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：它在 Sterling National Bank（斯特林国家银行）设有一个银行账户，对吗？\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：曾存入 Gypsy Mei Food Services 银行账户的任何资金，都是按照您父亲，即债务人的指示转移的资金，对吗？\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：尽管有资金转入 Gypsy Mei Food Service 的银行账户，该等资金始终仍由您父亲，即债务人控制并所有，对吗？\n\nVARTAN 律师：异议。\n\nKIM 律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n答：第五修正案。\n\n问：除始终仍由……所有和控制的资金之外\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 2292-36 提交于 10/26/23 录入于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 86 页，共 142 页\n\nM. 郭\n\n2 你父亲，即债务人，Gypsy Mei Food Service（吉普赛梅食品服务公司）\n3 从未持有任何其他资金，对吗？\n4 VARTAN先生（瓦尔坦先生）：\n异议。\n5 KIM先生（金先生）：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n6 答：\n第五修正案。\n7 问：\n将资金转入由 Gypsy Mei\n8 Food Services 持有的银行账户的唯一目的，\n9 完全是为了\n10 帮助你父亲向其\n11 债权人隐匿资产，对吗？\n12 VARTAN先生：\n异议。\n13 KIM先生：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n14 答：\n第五修正案。\n15 LUFT先生（卢夫特先生）：\n我说过我们大约现在\n16 休庭。我们就这样做吧。\n17 （休庭。）\n18 卢夫特先生询问：\n19 问：\n下午好，郭女士。您好吗？\n20 \n21 答：\n我很好。谢谢。\n22 问：\n郭女士，我只想就\n23 我们在休庭前刚刚查看的证物12\n24 问您一个问题。该证物将您的\n25 地址列为\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 87 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n3 这仍是您的地址吗？\n4 答：\n第五修正案。\n5 问：\n抱歉。您的律师刚刚交给您的\n6 设备是什么？\n7 TWARDY先生（特沃迪先生）：\n是麦克风。\n8 卢夫特先生：\n我只是看不见，诸位。\n9 这不是——我没有指控任何人\n10 任何事情。哦，我看到那是一个麦克风，\n11 对。\n12 特沃迪先生：\n是麦克风，\n13 对。另一个坏了。\n14 卢夫特先生：\n什么？\n15 特沃迪先生：\n另一个\n16 坏了，无法使用。\n17 卢夫特先生：\n没有问题，诸位。\n18 我只是好奇那是什么。这不是\n19 在指控任何人任何事情。\n20 答：\n好的。\n21 问：\n好的。\n22 您是否——您曾经居住在\n23 吗？\n24 答：\n第五修正案。\n25 问：\n是否是由\n拥有的\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 88 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 你父亲，即债务人，所有？\n3 KIM先生：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n4 VARTAN先生：\n异议。\n5 答：\n第五修正案。\n6 问：\n好的。\n7 郭女士，您可以把那份文件放到一边。\n\n14 KIM先生：请稍等，抱歉。能否请书记员，我想，\n15 复述一下 Avi 的开场陈述？我只是想\n16 确认我听得正确。\n17 （问题复述如下：\n\n19 “问题：郭女士，为了稍微加快这个\n20 程序，我向您陈述，位于康涅狄格州格林威治市\n21 33 Ferncliff Road 的房屋，\n22 其登记在 Greenwich Land（格林威治土地有限责任公司）\n23 名下，已于 2022年4月\n24 出售，好吗？”）25 KIM先生：我将对\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 89 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 你的表述提出异议。这实际上并不是一个\n3 问题，因此我不会就其——作为问题\n4 提出异议，但我将对\n5 该表述提出异议。不过你\n6 可以继续。\n\n11 KIM先生：\n不，我提出异议的是，\n12 依我看，你是在将其表述为——\n13 我不知道你所说的登记在 Greenwich Land LLC 名下\n14 是什么意思。我认为——\n15 卢夫特先生：\n没关系。\n16 KIM先生：\n——恰当的用词是\n17 “所有”，或者我不知道你——你\n18 想使用什么措辞。\n19 卢夫特先生：\n这样吧。我会\n20 把那些词去掉。这对我而言\n21 不重要。日期和出售\n22 是——\n23 KIM先生：\n抱歉。\n24 卢夫特先生：\n那么我就把那些\n25 词去掉。好的。对我重要的是\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 90 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n2 日期和出售，以便梅能有\n3 清楚的理解。\n4 KIM先生：\n嗯——\n5 TWARDY先生：\n只是为了让我弄清楚——\n6 好的。\n7 卢夫特先生：\n我将撤回\n8 先前的陈述，并将再次陈述，\n9 希望以大家都同意的\n10 方式。\n11 卢夫特先生询问：\n12 问：\n郭女士，我向您陈述，\n13 位于 33 Ferncliff Road 的房屋——让我\n14 删除这句话。\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n3 答：\n明白。\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 92 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 93 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 94 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 95 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 97 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 98 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n24 问：\n郭女士，您认识 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳），\n25 对吗？\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 101 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 答：\n第五修正案。\n3 问：\n事实上，您此前曾向本法院提交一份\n4 经宣誓声明，称\n5 您曾试图致电克拉斯纳先生，对吗？\n6 答：\n第五修正案。\n7 问：\n事实上，您曾向法院表示，\n8 克拉斯纳先生是处理 Hudson Diamond\n9 Holdings（哈德逊钻石控股公司）业务及事务的人员\n10 之一，对吗？\n11 KIM先生：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n12 答：\n第五修正案。\n13 问：\n郭女士，您对\n14 克拉斯纳先生的签名极其熟悉，对吗？\n15 VARTAN先生：\n异议。\n16 KIM先生：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n17 答：\n第五修正案。\n18 问：\n郭女士，在今天之前，您曾多次见过\n19 克拉斯纳先生的签名，\n20 对吗？\n21 KIM先生：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n22 VARTAN先生：\n异议。\n23 答：\n第五修正案。\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 （庭外讨论。）\n\n24 问：\n郭女士，您从未担任过\n25 Greenwich Land LLC 的董事，对吗？\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 104 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 答：\n第五修正案。\n3 问：\n郭女士，您从未担任过\n4 Greenwich Land LLC 的高级职员，对吗？\n5 答：\n第五修正案。\n6 问：\n郭女士，您从未担任过\n7 Greenwich Land LLC 的雇员，对吗？\n8 答：\n第五修正案。\n9 问：\n郭女士，您从未持有过\n10 Greenwich Land LLC 的任何所有权权益，对吗？\n11 答：\n第五修正案。\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 VARTAN先生：\n异议。\n\n12 TWARDY先生：\n请问是谁加入了\n13 我们？\n14 VARTAN先生：\n是 Melissa（梅丽莎）。\n15 卢夫特先生：\n是 Lee（李）的同事。\n16 好的。\n17 卢夫特先生询问：\n18 问：\n郭女士，所有这些支票上 Gypsy Mei\n19 Food Services 中的 Mei 一词拼写为\n20 M-E-I，对吗？\n21 答：\n对。\n22 问：\n这也是您名字的\n23 拼写方式，对吗？\n24 答：\n对。\n25 问：\n而 Gypsy Mei Food Services LLC 是\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 106 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 以您的名字命名的，对吗？\n3 VARTAN先生：\n异议。\n4 KIM先生：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n5 答：\n第五修正案。\n6 问：\n好的。\n\n14 VARTAN先生：\n异议。\n15 KIM先生：\n对提问形式提出异议。\n16 请稍等。\n我提出异议。\n17 我会等翻译员\n18 完成翻译。\n19 卢夫特先生：\n你必须让她\n20 回答。\n21 翻译员：\n我只是在\n22 翻译。\n23 KIM先生：\n我明白。我希望\n24 法庭记录员复述\n25 问题。我仍然保留\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 107 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\n02:03\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO\n2 该异议，但我只是想确认我\n3 理解了该问题的确切\n4 措辞。\n5 卢夫特先生：\n我们需要证人\n6 回答，然后你可以做任何——\n7 你可以复述任何你想复述的内容。\n8 KIM先生：\n我不想复述。\n9 我希望法庭记录员复述\n10 该问题。\n11 卢夫特先生：\n不，诸位。请让\n12 翻译员把她的回答告诉我们。她已经\n13 回答了。我需要听到是什么。\n14 KIM先生：\n好的。\n15 翻译员：\n翻译员\n16 需要翻译该异议，但我没有听到回答。\n17 该异议\n18 是——\n19 卢夫特先生：\n我们不需要\n20 异议。我们只需要——该异议\n21 在问题和回答之后。\n22 TWARDY先生：\n是。\n23 卢夫特先生：\n我们只复述\n24 问题。\n25 TWARDY先生：\n复述回答。关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等人，106\n\n·\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 108 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n3 问：\n好的。\n4 卢夫特先生：\n现在，Austin（奥斯汀），你可以问\n5 你想问的。\n6 KIM先生：\n我只是希望记录员\n7 复述所提出的问题，\n8 以确认我理解了所问的内容。\n9 （问题复述如下：\n\n17 KIM先生：\n是，对提问形式提出异议。\n18 VARTAN先生：\n同样。\n19 卢夫特先生：\n好的。\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，第 109 页，共 142 页，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n4 问：好的。\n\n25 问：郭女士，关于\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 110 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 您父亲的破产事宜，Zeisler & Zeisler（蔡斯勒与蔡斯勒律师事务所）\n3 律师事务所代理您，对吗？\n4 答：\n对。\n5 问：\n就您父亲的破产事宜，Zeisler & Zeisler 也代理\n6 您的父亲，\n7 对吗？\n8 答：\n第五修正案。\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 113 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n25 卢夫特先生：\n我们何不转为庭外\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 116 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 123 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 124 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n25 卢夫特先生：\n好的。我假定那\n不是对问题的回答。她——她是在说\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 125 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 127 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 128 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 131 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 133 页，共 142 页\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n17 卢夫特先生：\n我们休庭一分钟吧。\n我可能快问完了。我只是\n18 想核对一些事项，好吗？\n19 （休庭。）\n20 卢夫特先生询问：\n21 问：\n郭女士，目前我没有其他问题\n22 要问您。非常感谢您今天抽出时间。\n23 我很感谢。\n24 证人：\n（用英语）谢\n25 谢。谢谢。\n\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 134 页，共 142 页\n\nSeptember 13, 2023\n\n03:01\n\n03:02\n\n03:02\n\n03:02\n\n03:02\n\nYVer1f\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\n1 M. GUO\n2 TWARDY先生：各位，祝大家今天愉快。\n4 卢夫特先生：KIM先生，您有任何问题吗？\n6 KIM先生：我没有要问被告的问题。我只是想，您知道，将本证言记录标记为保密，如果受托人同意的话。\n10 卢夫特先生：我不同意。我不反对将保密部分作出指定，但我认为将整份记录标记为保密的做法存在问题，并且会给法院带来有关封闭法庭等方面的问题。\n17 因此，如果各位想查看该记录，并回头指出其中是否有你们认为保密的内容，我对此没有异议，但我认为我们不应将整份记录指定为保密。\n23 KIM先生：好的。那么，就今天而言，我们可以同意，在提供最终记录后，各方可以 关于：HO WAN KWOK等人，133\n\n·\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-36，提交日期 10/26/23，登记日期 10/26/23 20:46:12，第 135 页，共 142 页 MEI GUO（郭梅） September 13, 2023\n\n关于：HO WAN KWOK等人，\n\n1 M. GUO\n\n2 指定或提议指定郭女士证言记录的部分内容\n3 为保密。\n4 \n5 可以吗？\n6 卢夫特先生：\n当然。\n7 KIM先生：\n好的。\n8 TWARDY先生：\n我可以问一个问题吗？\n9 因为我不熟悉\n10 破产法院及其运作方式。但是\n11 关于这个——本次证言的\n12 视频部分呢？是否以任何方式保存，\n13 还是我们只是通过 Zoom 进行，\n14 而不会向任何人披露任何视频？\n15 \n16 卢夫特先生：\n我认为今天的\n17 证言没有被录制。\n18 对吗，Lisa（丽莎）？\n19 法庭记录员：\n正确。\n20 今天没有进行视频录制。\n21 TWARDY先生：\n好的。非常感谢。\n22 我只是想澄清这一点。\n23 如果我们认为记录中有\n24 应当被\n25 指定的内容，我们是否将有机会发表意见？\n\nYVer1f\n案号 22-50073 文档 2292-36 提交日期 10/26/23 录入日期 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 136 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\n03:03\n\n03:03\n\n03:04\n\n03:04\n\nYVer1f\n\nEsquireSolutions.com（EsquireSolutions.com）\n\nMEI GUO（梅·郭）\n\n1 M. GUO（M. 郭）\n\n2 保密？\n3 LUFT 先生（卢夫特先生）：\nStan（斯坦），你想\n4 如何处理？\n你想通过\n5 Austin（奥斯汀）处理吗？\n我不反对任何人\n6 就其认为哪些内容\n7 属于保密内容发表意见，然后我们可以讨论。\n8 我不——你知道，这对我来说没问题。\n9 你告诉我。你们各位\n10 想采用什么程序，我都没有意见。\n11 TWARDY 先生（特沃迪先生）：\n我会通过\n12 Austin——我想，我会通过\n13 Austin 处理，这样最合理。如果他\n14 和我意见不一致，我会来找你。\n15 LUFT 先生：\n没问题。\n16 Melissa（梅利莎），抱歉，我并非\n17 有意将你排除在外。你也可以\n18 参与。\n19 （续见下一页，\n20 以包括宣誓证明。）\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 2292-36 提交日期 10/26/23 录入日期 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 137 页，共 142 页 MEI GUO（梅·郭） 2023年9月13日\n\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等人，\n\n1 M. GUO（M. 郭） 2 WERNICK 女士（韦尼克女士）：没问题。 3 KIM 先生（金先生）：那么，一旦最终文本出具，我们将弄清楚这一切。 5 LUFT 先生：很好。 6 TWARDY 先生：谢谢各位， 7 大家。 8 （记录时间：下午 3:04。） 9 10 11 --------------------- 12 MEI GUO（梅·郭） 13 14 于 2023 年本日，在我面前签署并宣誓。 16 17 --------------------------------------- 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 800.211.DEPO (3376)\n\nEsquireSolutions.com（EsquireSolutions.com）\n\n03:04\n\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等人，\n\n1 2 证 明 书 3 4 纽约州 ） 5 ）ss.： 6 纽约县 ） 7 本人，LISA M. MURACO（丽莎·M·穆拉科），纽约州、佛罗里达州、马萨诸塞州境内及辖区内的公证人， 9 特此证明： 10 上述载明其证言的证人 MEI GUO（梅·郭）， 11 已由本人依法宣誓；且该证言记录 12 为该证人所作证言的真实记录。 15 本人进一步证明，本人与本诉讼任何一方 16 均无血缘或婚姻关系；且本人 18 绝无任何方式利害关系于本案 19 结果。 20 兹证明，本人于 2023 年 9 月 13 日 21 签署本证明。 23 ------------------------- 24 LISA M. MURACO（丽莎·M·穆拉科） 25 800.211.DEPO (3376)\n\nEsquireSolutions.com（EsquireSolutions.com）\n\n2 证 人 索 引 证人 页码 MEI GUO（梅·郭） LUFT 先生（卢夫特先生） 7 8 证 据 描述 页码 Guo 证据 1，题为：26 Hudson Diamond Holdings LLC（哈德逊钻石控股有限责任公司），Bates 编号为 HR 0003095 Guo 证据 2，题为：27 Hudson Diamond New York LLC（哈德逊钻石纽约有限责任公司），Bates 编号为 HR 0002584 Guo 证据 3，2019年10月25日致 Yvette Wang（伊薇特·王）的信函，Bates 编号为 HR 002382 至 88\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 2292-36 提交日期 10/26/23 录入日期 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 140 页，共 142 页\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 2292-36 提交日期 10/26/23 录入日期 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 141 页，共 142 页\n\n2 证 据 索 引（续）\n3 描述\n页码\n4 Guo 证据 12，Gypsy Mei Food\nServices LLC（吉普赛梅食品服务有限责任公司）的有限责任公司\n5 协议。\n\n15 被指示不得回答的问题\n16 页码\n行号\n17 18\n\n案号 22-50073 文档 2292-36 提交日期 10/26/23 录入日期 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 142 页，共 142 页\n\n2023年9月13日\n\nEsquireSolutions.com（EsquireSolutions.com）\n\n以下笔录的更正表：\n\n案件名称：\nKWOK（郭文贵）诉 GREENWICH（格林尼治）等人\n证言日期：\n2023年9月13日，星期四\n证人：\nMEI GUO（梅·郭）\n更正：\n页码。行号。 应为\n现为 理由\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n___ ___ ______________\n______________ ______\n\n证人签名\n于 2023 年____月____日\n在本人面前签署并宣誓。\n\n（公证人） 本人委任期限届满日：_______\n\nMEI GUO（梅·郭）\n\n关于：HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等人，","key_entities":["Guo","Je","Kwok","Ho Wan Kwok","Despins","Saraca","Paul Hastings"],"ecf_references":[{"doc_number":16,"court":"CTB"},{"doc_number":18,"court":"CTB"},{"doc_number":24,"court":"CTB"}],"word_count":19626,"status":"published","published_at":"2023-10-26 00:00:00","created_at":"2023-10-26","updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:00:57"}