{"id":"court_ctb_2292_53","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":2292,"sub_number":53,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2023-10-26","title":"Exhibit 53 EXHIBIT B","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"#### **Exhibit 53**\n\n# **EXHIBIT B**\n\n# **Exhibit 21**\n\n## Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 4 of Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 3 of 51 52\n\n\n\nSeptember 11, 2023\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nYVer1f\n\nHING CHI NGOK· Highly Confidential\n\n| | Page 5 | | Page 7 |\n|----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|--------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | VIDEOGRAPHER: This is Tape No. 1 to the | 1
2 | ECHO LIM, having first been duly
sworn, interpreted as follows: |\n| 2 | videotaped deposition of Hing Chi Ngok in the | 3 | HING CHI NGOK, having first been duly |\n| 3 | matter of Despins, Kwok (sic) v. Greenwich | 4 | sworn, was deposed and testified as follows: |\n| 4
5 | Land, et al., being heard before the United
States Bankruptcy Court, District of | 5 | |\n| 6 | Connecticut, Bridgeport Division, Case | 6 | DIRECT EXAMINATION |\n| 7 | No. 22-50073. | 7 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 8 | This deposition is being held at Meister | 8 | Q Good morning, Ms. Ngok. How are you? |\n| 9 | Seelig & Fein on 9/11/2023 at 10:22 a.m. My | 9 | A Good. Thank you. |\n| 10 | name is Debbie O'Toole. I'm the videographer. | 10 | Q Ms. Ngok, I wanted to confirm that you |\n| 11 | The court reporter is Debbie Gentile. | 11 | understood you're appearing both as an individual |\n| 12 | Counsel, will you please introduce | 12 | deponent today and as the corporate representative |\n| 13 | yourselves and affiliations? And the witness | 13 | for Greenwich Land, correct? |\n| 14 | will be sworn. | 14 | A Yes. |\n| 15 | MR. LUFT: Good morning. My name is | 15 | MR. LUFT: And I'll ask the court reporter |\n| 16 | Avi Luft. I'm with the law firm of | 16 | to mark as Exhibit 1 a Chapter -- a copy of the |\n| 17 | Paul Hastings. I represent the Chapter 11 | 17 | Chapter 11 trustee's notice of deposition to |\n| 18 | trustee, Luc A. Despins. With me are my | 18 | Hing Chi Ngok. |\n| 19 | colleagues, Doug Barron and Luyi Song. | 19 | (Exhibit 1 was marked for I.D.) |\n| 20 | MR. MAJOR: Good morning. Chris Major, | 20 | (A discussion was held off the |\n| 21 | Meister Seelig & Fein. We represent the | 21 | stenographic record.) |\n| 22 | defendants in this adversary proceeding, | 22 | THE WITNESS: I am not able to read this. |\n| 23 | Ms. Guo and Greenwich Land, LLC, and we're | 23 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 24 | representing the witness in this deposition. | 24 | Q I understand. |\n| 25 | MR. INTRATER: Good morning. | 25 | Ms. Ngok, I've handed you what is a copy |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 6 | | Page 8 |\n| 1 | Zach Intrater, Brafman & Associates. I | 1 | of the Chapter 11's notice of deposition to Hing Chi |\n| 2 | represent Ms. Guo in this deposition. | 2 | Ngok. Have you ever seen this document before? |\n| 3 | COURT REPORTER:
Usual stips? | 3 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 4 | MR. LUFT:
I don't know what they are, so | 4 | THE WITNESS: I am not able to recognize |\n| 5 | we're going to just go until we figure it out. | 5 | it. I cannot read English and I don't |\n| 6 | MR. MAJOR:
Well, I'd like to, just for -- | 6
7 | understand the content of this document.
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 7 | so we can get through this deposition, I'd like | 8 | Q Okay. |\n| 8 | to have a stipulation that all objections | 9 | MR. LUFT: I'm going to mark as Ngok |\n| 9 | except as to the form of the question are | 10 | Deposition Exhibit 2 a copy of the Chapter 11 |\n| 10 | reserved.
This way we don't have to hash out | 11 | trustee's notice of deposition of Greenwich |\n| 11 | every potential objection. | 12 | Land, LLC, pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil |\n| 12 | MR. LUFT:
That's fine.
That's my | 13 | Procedure 30(b)(6). |\n| 13 | understanding of the rules anyway.
My point | 14 | (Exhibit 2 was marked for I.D.) |\n| 14 | was not that there were none, just it's what | 15 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 15 | they are. | 16 | Q Ms. Ngok, I've handed you what has been |\n| 16 | MR. MAJOR:
Okay. | 17 | marked as Exhibit 2, which is a copy of the notice |\n| 17
18 | MR. LUFT:
And --
COURT REPORTER:
Please raise your | 18 | of deposition for Greenwich Land, LLC. Have you |\n| | | 19 | ever seen this document before? |\n| 19
20 | right --
MR. LUFT:
Sorry. | 20 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 21 | Just so it's clear for the record, this | 21 | THE WITNESS: I do not know what you mean. |\n| 22 | deposition is of Ms. Hing Chi Ngok and of | 22 | INTERPRETER: Can the interpreter |\n| 23 | Greenwich Land.
So it's both defendants. | 23 | reinterpret the question? That's what Ms. Ngok |\n| 24 | | 24 | is requesting. |\n| 25 | | 25 | MR. LUFT: Okay. My only question is |\n\n\n\n| | Page 9 | | Page 11 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | whether she has seen this document before. | | |\n| 2 | (Interpreter speaking Mandarin.) | | |\n| 3 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | | |\n| 4 | THE WITNESS: I don't understand this | | |\n| 5 | document. | | |\n| 6 | BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | | |\n| 7 | Q Ms. Ngok, were you provided a translation | | |\n| 8 | of the notice of deposition by your counsel setting | | |\n| 9 | out in Chinese what the deposition topics were for | | |\n| 10 | today's deposition on behalf of Greenwich Land, LLC? | | |\n| 11 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. Instruct | | |\n| 12 | the witness not to answer on the grounds of | | |\n| 13 | privilege. | 13 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 14 | THE WITNESS: Okay. | 14 | Q Ms. Ngok, I am going to ask you a series |\n| 15 | BY MR. LUFT: | 15 | of questions, just like I did last time. If for any |\n| 16 | Q Are you going to follow your counsel's | 16 | reason you do not understand my question, will you |\n| 17 | instruction? | 17 | let me know? |\n| 18 | A Correct. | 18 | A Okay. |\n| 19 | Q Ms. Ngok, are you prepared to testify on | 19 | Q If for -- and if -- can we have an |\n| 20 | the 17 topics listed in the Greenwich Land | 20 | agreement that if you do not tell me that you don't |\n| 21 | deposition notice? | 21 | understand my question, then I can assume you did |\n| 22 | A Yes. | 22 | understand it? |\n| 23 | Q Okay. You can put that aside. | 23 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 24 | Ms. Ngok, as you know, I took your | 24 | THE WITNESS: I don't quite understand |\n| 25 | deposition on January 5, 2023, correct? | 25 | what you mean by that. Can you explain? |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 10
A In January, yes. I remember. | 1 | Page 12
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 2 | Q The rules are the same for this | 2 | Q Sure. If for -- if I ask you a question |\n| 3 | deposition. But if you'll indulge me, I'll just go | 3 | and you don't tell me that you don't understand it, |\n| | | | |\n| 4 | over a couple of them, okay? | 4 | is it fair for me to assume that you do understand |\n| 5 | A Yes, please. | 5 | it? |\n| 6 | Q Ms. Ngok, you understand that you're | 6 | A No. If I didn't understand a question, |\n| 7 | testifying under oath today? | 7 | you can't assume that I understand a question. |\n| 8 | A Of course. | 8 | Q Thank you. That's not what I was saying, |\n| 9 | Q You understand that means you have to | 9 | so this is a perfect example. Let's start again. |\n| 10 | testify truthfully? | 10 | If you don't understand my question, will |\n| 11 | A Correct. | 11 | you tell me? |\n| 12 | Q And you understand that you may not omit | 12 | A I will not. If I don't understand your |\n| 13 | information that you know that is called for by the | 13 | question, I will not tell you, because I didn't |\n| 14 | question, correct? | 14 | understand. |\n| 15 | A Of course. | 15 | Q Will you tell me that you don't understand |\n| | | 16 | my question? |\n| | | 17 | A Yes, of course. |\n| | | 18 | Q And if I ask you a question and you do not |\n| | | 19 | tell me that you don't understand, can I assume that |\n| | | 20 | you do understand my question? |\n| | | 21 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | | 22 | THE WITNESS: Of course. That works. |\n| | | 23 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | | 24 | Q Great. Okay. |\n| | | 25 | Ms. Ngok, as we've discussed, you're |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n\n| | Page 13 | | Page 15 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | appearing on behalf of yourself and for the entity | | |\n| 2 | Greenwich Land today? | | |\n| 3 | A Yes. | | |\n| 4 | Q If in answering a question your answer | | |\n| 5 | would differ from what -- your answer as an | | |\n| 6 | individual, as opposed to your answer on behalf of | | |\n| 7 | Greenwich Land, will you let me know? | | |\n| | | 8 | Q Other than Mr. Major and Mr. Intrater, |\n| 8 | A Yes. | | |\n| 9 | Q Ms. Ngok, what did you do to prepare for | 9 | have you discussed this deposition with anyone else? |\n| 10 | your deposition today? | 10 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 11 | A I did. I prepared with my attorneys. | 11 | THE WITNESS: No. |\n| 12 | Q And who are your attorneys today? | 12 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13 | THE WITNESS: I'm sorry, Gentlemen. I | 13 | Q Other than Mr. Intrater and Mr. Major, |\n| 14 | can't pronounce your names. | 14 | have you discussed this case with anyone else? |\n| 15 | But these two gentlemen sitting right here | 15 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 16 | (indicating). | 16 | THE WITNESS: No. |\n| 17 | BY MR. LUFT: | 17 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18 | Q Mr. Major and -- | 18 | Q In preparing for this deposition, did you |\n| 19 | MR. LUFT: Intrater? Is that | 19 | review any documents? |\n| 20 | MR. INTRATER: That's great. Perfect. | 20 | A I did. |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS: I'm sorry. I don't have any | 21 | Q What documents did you review? |\n| 22 | mental note of any English name. Sorry about | 22 | A The same documents I review for the last |\n| 23 | that. | 23 | deposition. |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT: That's fine. | 24 | Q Can you remind me what documents those |\n| 25 | For the record can we agree that she has | 25 | were? |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 14
pointed to Mr. Major and Mr. Intrater as her | 1 | Page 16
A Some -- something like some sort of bank |\n| 2 | counsel who she met with? | 2 | documents. But to be very frank with you, I don't |\n| | | | |\n| 3 | MR. MAJOR: Yes. | 3 | even understand them. |\n| 4 | MR. LUFT: Okay. | 4 | Q Do you recall what bank documents they |\n| 5 | THE WITNESS: (In English) Sorry about | 5 | were? |\n| 6 | that. | 6 | A I can't remember. |\n| 7 | MR. LUFT: That's okay. | 7 | Q Other than preparing for this deposition, |\n| 8 | THE WITNESS: Okay. | 8 | had you ever seen these bank documents before? |\n| 9 | BY MR. LUFT: | 9 | A No. |\n| 10 | Q How many times did you meet with them in | 10 | Q Were they bank documents related to your |\n| 11 | preparation for this deposition? | 11 | personal bank accounts? |\n| 12 | A Twice. | 12 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 13 | Q When did you meet with them? | 13 | THE WITNESS: No. |\n| 14 | A I can't remember specifically when, but it | 14 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 15 | happens within a month. | 15 | Q Were they bank accounts related to |\n| 16 | Q How long did you meet with them? | 16 | Greenwich Land's bank accounts? |\n| 17 | A It could range from one to two hours or | 17 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 18 | two to three hours. | 18 | THE WITNESS: They are not statements. I |\n| 19 | Q When you met with your attorney, | 19 | don't know what they are. I am not even -- I'm |\n| 20 | Mr. Intrater or Mr. Major, was there anyone else | 20 | not able to tell what they are. |\n| 21 | present? | 21 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22 | A Interpreters -- interpreter. | 22 | Q Can you give me your best description of |\n| 23 | INTERPRETER: Sorry. | 23 | those bank documents? |\n| 24 | BY MR. LUFT: | 24 | A Okay. I don't know if they are even a |\n| | | 25 | document -- they are even a document. I have seen |\n| | | | |\n\n\n\nSeptember 11, 2023\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nYVer1f\n\nHING CHI NGOK· Highly Confidential\n\n| 1 | Page 17
them. I can't recall. I can't tell the content of | 1 | Page 19
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. Instruct |\n|----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | it. | 2 | the witness not to answer on the grounds of |\n| 3 | Q But they were documents that you looked at | 3 | privilege. |\n| 4 | to prepare for this deposition? | 4 | MR. LUFT: On what grounds can that be |\n| 5 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 5 | privileged? I'm asking just the name of who's |\n| 6 | THE WITNESS: Correct. | 6 | the person who made the decision. |\n| 7 | MR. LUFT: Mr. Major, I don't believe | 7 | MR. MAJOR: The decision that you're |\n| 8 | we've received any bank documents. Have they | 8 | referring to -- first of all, you're |\n| 9 | been -- the documents the witness is referring | 9 | presupposing that the decision was the decision |\n| 10 | to, have they been produced to us? | 10 | of Greenwich Land. But the contemplation of |\n| 11 | MR. MAJOR: I don't know what documents | 11 | hiring or separating from counsel is |\n| 12 | the witness is specifically referring to, but | 12 | privileged. |\n| 13 | we have produced bank records to you, | 13 | MR. LUFT: I'm not asking about the |\n| 14 | specifically from The Bank of Princeton. I | 14 | content; I just want to know who was the person |\n| 15 | know that my firm handled that production. I | 15 | who made the decision. That's not privileged. |\n| 16 | know the law firm of Updike, Kelly & Spellacy, | 16 | It doesn't call for legal advice or anything |\n| 17 | I believe, produced some bank records to you in | 17 | else. |\n| 18 | advance of the just closed Rule 2004 exam. I | 18 | MR. MAJOR: The decision of either hiring |\n| 19 | assume that's what the witness is referring to, | 19 | or separating from counsel is a privileged |\n| 20 | but I don't know. | 20 | matter. |\n| 21 | MR. LUFT: Okay. I'll just ask that on a | 21 | MR. LUFT: Correct, but the person who -- |\n| 22 | break you confer with her, and if there are | 22 | the name of the person who decided that is not |\n| 23
24 | documents that we haven't received yet, if you
just let us know and produce them, okay? | 23
24 | privileged.
MR. MAJOR: To the extent it -- the |\n| 25 | MR. MAJOR: Yes. And I do not think there | 25 | question necessarily calls for discussions with |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 18 | | Page 20 |\n| 1 | are documents that we have that you don't have | 1 | counsel. |\n| 2
3 | yet, but I will certainly triple-check that
during a break. | 2
3 | MR. LUFT: No, it just calls for the name,
the name of the person. She is here as |\n| 4 | MR. LUFT: Terrific. | 4 | Greenwich Land's representative; I'm free to |\n| 5 | BY MR. LUFT: | 5 | ask her who's the person who made the decision. |\n| 6 | Q Other than the documents you've referred | 6 | That's not a privileged question. |\n| 7 | to as the \"bank documents,\" are there any other | 7 | MR. MAJOR: You can ask questions about |\n| 8 | documents you looked at to prepare for this | 8 | decisions that Greenwich Land made on other |\n| 9 | deposition? | 9 | matters, but not on counsel. |\n| 10 | A There must be some, but I can't remember | 10 | MR. LUFT: Okay. I disagree with you, I |\n| 11 | what they are. | 11 | think you're obstructing, and you haven't given |\n| 12 | Q When was the last time you reviewed these | 12 | me any explanation why the name of an |\n| 13 | documents? | 13 | individual calls for the provision of legal |\n| 14 | A Probably approximately three weeks ago, | 14 | advice. |\n| 15 | but I don't remember specifically when. | 15 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 16 | Q Okay. Ms. Ngok, when I deposed you in | 16 | Q Ms. Ngok, are you going to follow your |\n| 17 | January, you were represented by a different lawyer | 17 | counsel's instruction? |\n| 18 | from a different law firm, correct? | 18 | A Correct. |\n| 19 | A Correct. | 19 | Q Ms. Ngok, were you the person who made the |\n| 20 | Q And that was Mr. Goldstein from the Updike | 20 | decision to replace Updike Kelly with Mr. Major's |\n| 21 | Kelly firm, correct? | 21 | firm? |\n| 22 | A I don't remember. | 22
23 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. Instruct
the witness not to answer on the grounds of |\n| 23
24 | Q Who made the decision at Greenwich Land to
change counsel from Updike Kelly to Mr. Major's | 24 | privilege. |\n| 25 | firm? | 25 | |\n\n\n\n| | Page 21 | | Page 23 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | BY MR. LUFT: | 1 | before you signed the supplemental responses to the |\n| 2 | Q Ms. Ngok, are you going to follow your | 2 | interrogatories? |\n| 3 | counsel's direction? | 3 | A I did. |\n| 4 | A Correct. | 4 | Q And before signing did you agree that all |\n| 5 | Q Ms. Ngok, I'm going to ask the court | 5 | the information included in the document was |\n| 6 | reporter to mark as Ngok Deposition Exhibit 3 a copy | 6 | accurate and true? |\n| 7 | of defendant Greenwich Land, LLC's supplemental | 7 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 8 | responses and objections to the first set of | 8 | THE WITNESS: I believe so. |\n| 9 | interrogatories by plaintiff Luc Despins, the | 9 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 10 | Chapter 11 trustee. | 10 | Q Ms. Guo, if we look at response to |\n| 11 | (Exhibit 3 was marked for I.D.) | | |\n| | | 11 | Interrogatory No. 1 -- |\n| 12 | BY MR. LUFT: | 12 | INTERPRETER: Ms. -- did you say, |\n| 13 | Q Ms. Ngok -- | 13 | \"Ms. Guo\"? |\n| 14 | (A discussion was held off the | 14 | MR. LUFT: Sorry. Ms. Ngok. |\n| 15 | stenographic record.) | 15 | INTERPRETER: Sorry. Okay. |\n| 16 | BY MR. LUFT: | 16 | THE WITNESS: Okay. |\n| 17 | Q Ms. Ngok, I've put in front of you as | 17 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18 | marked as Exhibit 3 a document titled \"Defendant | 18 | Q -- there's a sentence that says \"Greenwich |\n| 19 | Greenwich Land, LLC's Supplemental Responses and | 19 | Land's sole purpose is to own a residential property |\n| 20 | Objections to the First Set of Interrogatories by | 20 | in Greenwich, Connecticut.\" |\n| 21 | Plaintiff Luc Despins,\" the Chapter 11 trustee. Do | 21 | A Correct. |\n| 22 | you see that? | 22 | Q Is that true? |\n| 23 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 23 | A Correct. |\n| 24 | THE WITNESS: Yes, I see it. | 24 | Q So when you say \"Greenwich Land's sole |\n| 25 | | 25 | purpose is to own a residential property in |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 22 | | Page 24 |\n| 1 | BY MR. LUFT: | 1 | Greenwich, Connecticut,\" what do you mean? |\n| 2 | Q If you turn to the last page of the | 2 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 3 | document, you'll see a signature line for Greenwich | 3 | THE WITNESS: I don't understand this |\n| 4 | Land. It says by Hing Chi Ngok, \"Title: Sole | 4 | question. Can you please clarify? |\n| 5 | Member.\" | 5 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 6 | INTERPRETER: Sorry. | 6 | Q My question is simply there's a statement |\n| 7 | THE WITNESS: Yes. | 7 | in the interrogatory, and I just want to understand |\n| 8 | BY MR. LUFT: | 8 | what Greenwich Land meant by that statement. |\n| 9 | Q Do you see that, Ms. Ngok? | 9 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 10 | A I see it. | 10 | THE WITNESS: Can you please tell me which |\n| 11 | Q And whose signature is that? | 11 | statement? |\n| 12 | A It looks like my signature, but I cannot | 12 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13 | be certain that it is mine. | 13 | Q Sure. It is on the response to |\n| 14 | Q The date of this document is September 9, | 14 | Interrogatory No. 1. There's a sentence that says |\n| 15 | 2023, two days ago. | 15 | \"Greenwich Land's sole purpose is to own a |\n| 16 | A Two days ago? | 16 | residential property in Greenwich, Connecticut.\" |\n| 17 | Q Yes. | 17 | A Correct. |\n| 18 | Do you recall signing responses -- | 18 | Q And my under -- my question is what does |\n| 19 | interrogatory responses two days ago? | 19 | Greenwich Land mean by that statement? |\n| 20 | A I believe so. | 20 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 21 | Q And the document indicates that you were | 21 | THE WITNESS: I don't know what you mean |\n| 22 | provided a translation of this English document into | 22 | by that. This company owns properties, isn't |\n| 23 | Mandarin; is that correct? | 23 | it? |\n| 24 | A Correct. | | |\n| 25 | Q Did you read that Mandarin translation | | |\n\n\n\n#### Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 9 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 10 of 52\n\n\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 10 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 11 of 52\n\nSeptember 11, 2023\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nYVer1f\n\nHING CHI NGOK· Highly Confidential\n\n| 1 | Page 29
THE WITNESS: I don't know about that too. | 1 | Page 31
discussing? |\n|----------|--------------------------------------------------------------|----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | BY MR. LUFT: | 2 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 3 | Q Since Greenwich Land has been founded, | 3 | THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 4 | who -- what individuals have had the right to spend | 4 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 5 | money on behalf of Greenwich -- or let me strike | 5 | Q Do you have any idea where Greenwich Land |\n| 6 | that. | 6 | gets the money from that you use to pay for personal |\n| 7 | Since Greenwich Land has been founded, | 7 | expenses unrelated to the two houses we've been |\n| 8 | what individuals have had the right to spend money | 8 | discussing? |\n| 9 | from Greenwich Land accounts? | 9 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 10 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 10 | THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 11 | THE WITNESS: I don't know. | 11 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12 | BY MR. LUFT: | 12 | Q Where does Greenwich Land get the money |\n| 13 | Q Ms. Ngok, do you have the right to spend | 13 | from that it uses to pay for expenses related to the |\n| 14 | Greenwich Land's money? | 14 | two houses we've been discussing? |\n| 15 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 15 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 16 | THE WITNESS: I believe I do. | 16 | INTERPRETER: Can the interpreter |\n| 17 | BY MR. LUFT: | 17 | reinterpret? |\n| 18 | Q What are you allowed to spend Greenwich | 18 | THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 19 | Land's money on? | 19 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 20 | Q Who at Greenwich Land would know where it |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS: It's just like the family | 21 | gets the money it spends? |\n| 22 | day-to-day expenditures. | 22 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 23 | BY MR. LUFT: | 23 | THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 24 | Q Related to the properties or any | 24 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 25 | expenditures related to the family? | 25 | Q Who at Greenwich Land would know who |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 30 | | Page 32 |\n| 1 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 1 | provides the money that goes into Greenwich Land's |\n| 2 | THE WITNESS: It's like the family | 2 | bank accounts? |\n| 3 | expenditure. For instance, like landscaping, | 3 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 4 | utilities. | 4 | THE WITNESS: I'm not clear about that. |\n| 5 | BY MR. LUFT: | 5 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 6 | Q How about personal expenses not related to | 6 | Q Do you know who provides the funds that |\n| 7 | upkeep of the house for -- let me just stop there. | 7 | have been placed into Greenwich Land's bank accounts |\n| 8 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 8 | since its -- since they've been open till today? |\n| 9 | THE WITNESS: Sometime, yes. | 9 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 10 | BY MR. LUFT: | 10 | THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 11 | Q What personal expenses not related to the | 11 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12 | house do you spend Greenwich Land money on? | 12 | Q Ms. Guo, do any -- sorry. Let me strike |\n| 13 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 13 | that. Let's get some clarity. |\n| 14 | THE WITNESS: Nothing too specific. | 14
15 | Ms. Ngok, my understanding is that your
last name is spelled N-G-O-K; is that correct? |\n| 15
16 | BY MR. LUFT:
Q Give me your best recollection of personal | 16 | A Correct. |\n| 17 | expenses not related to the upkeep of the two houses | 17 | Q In response -- if we look at Exhibit 3, in |\n| 18 | you've mentioned for which you've used Greenwich | 18 | response to our interrogatories, all the references |\n| 19 | Land money. | 19 | are either to a \"Ms. Guo\" or a \"Mrs. Guo.\" So my |\n| 20 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 20 | first question is are you -- is the references to |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS: I don't remember. | 21 | \"Mrs. Guo\" to be understood to be a reference to |\n| 22 | BY MR. LUFT: | 22 | you, Ms. Ngok? |\n| 23 | Q What's the source of Greenwich Land's | 23 | A Correct. |\n| 24 | money that is used to pay for personal expenses not | 24 | Q And are the references to \"Ms. Guo\" also |\n| 25 | related to the upkeep of the two houses we've been | 25 | intended to be a reference to you, Ms. Ngok? |\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 11 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 12 of 52\n\nPage 33 1 A Correct. 2 Q Ms. Guo -- sorry. Let me strike that. 3 (Witness speaking Mandarin.) 4 INTERPRETER: She said she couldn't hear 5 me clear. 6 You okay? 7 (A discussion was held off the 8 stenographic record.) 9 BY MR. LUFT: 10 Q Ms. Ngok, have you ever received money 11 from an entity called Hudson Diamond New York? 12 A I don't remember. 13 Q I'm going to ask the court reporter to 14 mark as Ngok Deposition Exhibit 4 a document Bates 15 stamped 19 (Exhibit 4 was marked for I.D.) 20 MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. To the 21 extent that the question is to ask the witness 22 to read the document and state whether she can 23 identify it, I just want to note for the 24 record, she does not read English so would not 25 have the ability to answer that question. Page 34 1 MR. LUFT: Why don't you let me ask my 2 question and then object to it? 3 MR. MAJOR: Okay. I just didn't know if 4 you -- if your statement was a question. It's not a 7 question, right? 8 BY MR. LUFT: 17 BY MR. LUFT: 18 Q Ms. Ngok -- 19 A Yes. 20 Q -- 22 MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. 23 THE WITNESS: I do not know. 24 BY MR. LUFT: 25 Q Page 35 1 2 MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. 3 THE WITNESS: I do not know. 4 BY MR. LUFT: 5 Q Tell me everything you know about Hudson 6 Diamond New York. 7 A I've never heard of this company before. 8 Q 11 MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. 16 BY MR. LUFT: 19 A Yes. 20 Q 22 MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. 23 THE WITNESS: Page 36 1 MR. LUFT: Okay. Why don't we take a 2 short break? 'Cause I'm going to go for a 3 while after that. 4 MR. MAJOR: Sure. 5 VIDEOGRAPHER: Okay. We're off the 6 record. The time is 11:25. 7 (A recess was taken.) 8 VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record. 9 The time is 11:46. 10 (A discussion was held off the 11 stenographic record.) 12 BY MR. LUFT: 22 MR. LUFT: The document's upside-down for 23 the witness. 24 BY MR. LUFT: 25 Q Ms. Ngok, before you Exhibit 5, as I said,\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 12 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 13 of 52\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 13 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 14 of 52\n\n| Page 41 | Page 43 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|\n| | 1
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Q Ms. Ngok, what address does Greenwich Land | |\n| 18
use for its banking? | |\n| 19
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| 20
THE WITNESS: I do not know. | |\n| 21
BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| Page 42 | Page 44 |\n| 1
INTERPRETER: She's asking a question. | 1
THE WITNESS: I do not remember. |\n| 2
THE WITNESS: I am unable to tell. | 2
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 3
BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 4
Q Ms. Ngok, what is the name of the company
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that owns your home? | |\n| 6
A Let me think about it. | |\n| 7
Okay. I -- I struggle with spelling out | |\n| 8
the name of the company, so I used to use some | |\n| 9
Chinese similar pronunciation to write in Chinese | |\n| 10
character. It's called Guan Lei Chi. | |\n| 11
INTERPRETER: G-U-A-N L-E-I C-H-I. | |\n| 12
BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13
Q Is that in pinyin? Is that in pinyin? | |\n| 14
A Yes, it is pinyin. | |\n| 15
INTERPRETER: Ms. Guo -- Ms. Guo recorded | |\n| 16
it down in Chinese character; the interpreter | |\n| 17
made into pinyin. | |\n| 18
MR. LUFT: Okay. | |\n| 19
THE WITNESS: (In English) Sorry. | |\n| 20
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MR. MAJOR: There's no question. |\n| | 3
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Q | |\n| | |\n| 18
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| 19
THE WITNESS: I do not know. | |\n| 20
MR. LUFT: Let's mark as Exhibit 8 a | |\n| 21
document bearing the Bates Stamp | |\n| 22 | 22
MR. LUFT: Okay. Let's mark as Exh bit 9 |\n| 23
(Exhibit 8 was marked for I.D.) | 23
a document |\n| 24
INTERPRETER: Thank you. | |\n| 25
MR. LUFT: Of course. | |\n| | |\n| 1
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Q And I'll represent to you that this is | |\n| 3
anothe | 3
(Exhibit 9 was marked for I.D.) |\n| | 4
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A Okay. | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 19
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Q |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 15 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 16 of 52\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 16 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 17 of 52\n\n| Page 53 | Page 55 |\n|-----------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1
MR. LUFT: Let's mark as Exhibit 11 a | 1
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 2
document bearing the Bates stamp | 2
THE WITNESS: I can't tell. I can't read. |\n| | 3
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 4
Q |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | 7
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 8
THE WITNESS: I do not know why. |\n| 9
(Exhibit 11 was marked for I.D.) | 9
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 10
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Q | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | 15
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 16
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 16
THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 17
THE WITNESS: I don't know. I can't -- I | 17
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18
don't recognize this document. | 18
Q |\n| 19
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Q | |\n| | 21
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form and assumes |\n| | 22
a fact not established. |\n| 23
A I don't remember. | 23
MR. LUFT: What fact is that? |\n| 24
Q | 24
MR. MAJOR: Multiple facts in your |\n| | |\n| | 25
question -- alleged facts in your question. |\n| Page 54 | Page 56 |\n| 1 | 1 |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 5
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| 6
THE WITNESS: | 6
MR. LUFT: We just walked through all the |\n| 7
BY MR. LUFT: | 7
documents, Mr. Major, showing that transfer, |\n| 8
Q Okay. | |\n| | 8
right? What more foundation could we have? |\n| | 9
MR. MAJOR: You're questioning a witness |\n| | 10
using English language documents even though |\n| | 11
you know she only reads Mandarin and trying to |\n| | 12
ask questions off of these documents. So I |\n| | 13
objected to the question; I didn't instruct the |\n| 14
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 14
witness not to answer. But it's an improper |\n| 15
THE WITNESS: I -- I can't read these | 15
question, so I object to it. |\n| 16
words. | 16
MR. LUFT: Mr. Major, these are the bank |\n| 17
BY MR. LUFT: | 17
records and the statements of your client. |\n| 18
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That they happen to be in English and you put |\n| | |\n| | 19
up a witness that doesn't speak English is your |\n| | 20
choice, but I can only use the records of the |\n| | 21
company. |\n| | 22
MR. MAJOR: I don't think these are |\n| | 23
documents we produced to you, based on the |\n| | 24
Bates numbering. |\n| | 25
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reason for the objection.
The other reason is |\n| | 2
she is the only person left at Greenwich Land, |\n| | 3
so if she doesn't know, the answer is obvious. |\n| | 4
But I can't -- I mean, I guess if you want |\n| | 5
me to, I could try to go back if you're asking |\n| 6
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 6
me the basis for all of my objections. |\n| 7
THE WITNESS: This one (indicating), | 7
MR. LUFT:
No. |\n| 8
right? | 8
MR. MAJOR:
I'd have to -- there have been |\n| 9
BY MR. LUFT: | 9
a lot of questions. |\n| 10
Q Yes, ma'am. The first line and then the | 10
MR. LUFT:
I don't think objecting to |\n| 11
second line. | 11
questions because you think the answer is |\n| 12
A Yes, I see it. | 12
obvious is a basis for objecting to a |\n| | 13
question -- |\n| | 14
MR. MAJOR:
But the main reason for the |\n| | 15
objections is it was a nonsensical question: |\n| | 16
You're asking a witness who didn't know a fact |\n| | 17
if she knew who knew that fact so -- |\n| | 18
MR. LUFT:
Well, she's the corporate |\n| | 19
representative for the company; this is a house |\n| | 20
that the company alleges that it owns.
I don't |\n| | 21
think there's anything crazy about asking them |\n| | 22
who would know what law firm -- who hired the |\n| | 23
law firm that represented them. |\n| | 24
So we'll move on.
I understand -- I'm |\n| | 25
aware that you made an objection -- |\n| Page 66 | Page 68 |\n| | 1
MR. MAJOR: I wasn't instructing the
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witness not to answer, and I try to be |\n| | 3
extremely judicious when I object so that I |\n| | 4
don't interfere with your transcript. And |\n| | 5
that's why I've been, as I said, very |\n| | 6
circumspect in my objections. |\n| | 7
MR. LUFT: Okay. |\n| | 8
MR. MAJOR: Or I should say \"concise\" in |\n| | 9
my objections. |\n| | 10
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 11
Q Ms. Ngok, what homes have you lived in |\n| | 12
since you've come to the United States? Meaning the |\n| | 13
addresses. |\n| 14
the witness answered the question that she did | 14
A When I first came to the United States, I |\n| 15
not know. We've given you interrogatory | 15
live in town. |\n| 16
responses explaining that Mrs. Guo is the only | 16
Q \"In town\" meaning Manhattan? |\n| 17
person left at Greenwich Land, and then your | 17
A Correct. |\n| 18
next question was who at Greenwich Land would | 18
Q At the Sherry Netherland hotel? |\n| 19
know what the law firm was? | 19
INTERPRETER: Sheraton? |\n| 20
And I objected to that question on a | 20
MR. LUFT: Sherry Netherland. |\n| 21
number of grounds, including you're asking a | 21
THE WITNESS: Correct. |\n| 22
witness who doesn't -- who just said she | 22
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23
doesn't know a fact if she knows who knows that | |\n| 24
fact that she doesn't know. So the question | |\n| 25
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Q |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | 4
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 5
THE WITNESS: I do not know why. |\n| | 6
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 7
Q |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | 10
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 11
THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| | 12
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | 21
MR. LUFT: And I will mark as Exhibit 14 a |\n| | 22
copy of a document Bates |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| Page 82 | Page 84 |\n| | 1 |\n| | |\n| | 3
(Exhibit 14 was marked for I.D.) |\n| | 4
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 5
Q |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | 8
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 9
THE WITNESS: |\n| | 10
Okay. |\n| 11
BY MR. LUFT: | 11
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12
Q | 12
Q And if I ask you to turn to page ending in |\n| | 13
Bates number 42 -- |\n| | 14
MR. MAJOR: I don't think she'll know what |\n| | 15
a Bates number is. I can flip it for her or -- |\n| | 16
okay. |\n| 17
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 17
INTERPRETER: I can help her. |\n| 18
THE WITNESS: This one (indicating), | 18
MR. MAJOR: Okay, please. |\n| 19
right? | 19
THE WITNESS: I'm on it. |\n| 20
BY MR. LUFT: | 20
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21
Q Yes, ma'am, the third one. | 21
Q |\n| 22
A No, it's this (indicating) -- | |\n| 23
Q Oh, sorry. Yes, correct, ma'am. You're | 23
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. The |\n| 24
right. | |\n| 25
A Okay. I see it. | 24
witness can't read the words.
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really can't read. | 1
if Greenwich Land holds any ownership interest in | Page 87 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------|\n| 2 | MR. LUFT: I understand. Not a problem. | 2
Saraca Media. | |\n| 3 | BY MR. LUFT: | 3
A I do not know. | |\n| | | 4
Q | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | 8
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| | | 9
THE WITNESS: I am not sure about that. | |\n| | | 10
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A I do not know. | |\n| | | 17
Q | |\n| | | | |\n| 19 | BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 20 | Q Ms. Ngok, do you have any ownership | | |\n| 21 | interest in Saraca Media? | | |\n| 22 | A No. I don't know. | | |\n| 23 | Q Ms. Ngok, do you have any ownership | | |\n| 24 | interest in Hudson Diamond New York? | | |\n| 25 | A What do you mean by that? | 25
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| | Page 86 | | Page 88 |\n| 1 | Q My question, I'll ask it in two ways: Do | 1
THE WITNESS: I don't know. | |\n| 2 | you personally, Ms. Ngok, have any ownership | 2
BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 3 | interest in the entity named Hudson Diamond New | | |\n| 4 | York? | | |\n| 5 | A I don't remember. I don't even understand | | |\n| 6 | what he means by that. | | |\n| 7 | Q Ms. Ngok, does Greenwich Land have any | | |\n| 8 | ownership interest in Hudson Diamond New York? | | |\n| 9 | A I do not know. | | |\n| 10 | Q Does Greenwich Land have any ownership | | |\n| 11 | interest in Saraca Media? | | |\n| 12 | A I'm a little confused. I really don't | | |\n| 13 | know. | | |\n| 14 | Q That's okay. That's no worries. | | |\n| 15 | MR. MAJOR: If she's not well, she | | |\n| 16 | should -- you can take her out. | | |\n| 17 | MR. LUFT: Okay. Let's take a break. Off | | |\n| 18 | the record. Let's go off the record before -- | | |\n| 19 | VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 3:20. Off the | | |\n| 20 | record. | 20
(Exhibit 15 was marked for I.D.) | |\n| 21 | (A recess was taken.) | 21
MR. LUFT: And would it be okay for us to | |\n| 22 | VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record. | 22
just email a copy of it? | |\n| 23 | The time is 3:50. | 23
COURT REPORTER: Sure. | |\n| 24 | BY MR. LUFT: | 24
MR. LUFT: All right. So that's what | |\n| | Q Ms. Ngok, before we broke, I had asked you | 25
we'll do. | |\n| 25 | | | |\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 25 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 26 of 52\n\n| | Page 89 | | | | Page 91 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------|----|---|-----------------------------------------|---------|\n| 1 | MR. MAJOR: I could also print it for you | 1 | | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| 2 | today. | 2 | | THE WITNESS: I don't remember. | |\n| 3 | MR. LUFT: That would be great too. I'm | 3 | | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 4 | happy to do it either way. | 4 | | Q Okay. No problem. | |\n| 5 | MR. MAJOR: Email it to me and I'll print | 5 | | | |\n| 6 | it. | | | | |\n| 7 | MR. LUFT: Perfect. Okay. | | | | |\n| 8 | BY MR. LUFT: | 8 | | A I don't remember. | |\n| | | | | | |\n| 9 | Q Ms. Ngok, earlier you told me that | 9 | Q | | |\n| 10 | Greenwich Land sold the house at 33 Ferncliff Road | | | | |\n| 11 | in Greenwich, Connecticut. Do you recall that? | | | | |\n| 12 | A Yes, I remember. | | | | |\n| 13 | Q Okay. And do you -- and do you recall | 13 | | A I don't remember. | |\n| 14 | that that | 14 | Q | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| 17 | A I don't remember clearly. | 17 | | | |\n| 18 | Q | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | off the record.) | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| 22 | THE WITNESS: I don't remember. | 22 | | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 23 | MR. LUFT: Okay. Let's mark as | 23 | | Q That's okay. | |\n| 24 | Exhibit 16, | 24 | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | Page 90 | | | | Page 92 |\n| 1 | | 1 | | | |\n| | | 2 | | A I don't remember. | |\n| | | 3 | Q | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | 6 | | A I have gone to view the house before. | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | were marked for I.D.) | 7 | | Q I appreciate -- that's helpful. | |\n| 8 | BY MR. LUFT: | 8 | | | |\n| 9 | Q Ms. Ngok, my first question is simple: | | | | |\n| 10 | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| 13 | A Where is the dates? | 13 | | A It was me. | |\n| 14 | Q | 14 | | Q Okay. And when did you make that | |\n| | | 15 | | decision? | |\n| | | 16 | | A I don't remember very clearly. | |\n| | | | | | |\n| 17 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 17 | | Q Okay. | |\n| 18 | BY MR. LUFT: | | | | |\n| 19 | Q | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | 25 | | A I don't remember. | |\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 26 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 27 of 52\n\n| | Page 93 | | Page 95 | |\n|-----------|------------------------------------------------------|----|-------------------------------------------|--|\n| 1 | Q | 1 | | |\n| | | 2 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | 3 | Q Okay. And do you see -- | |\n| 4 | A I don't. | 4 | A | |\n| 5 | Q | 5 | Q Understood. | |\n| | | 6 | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| 9 | A I do not remember. | | | |\n| 10 | Q Okay. I'm going to show you a document | 10 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| 11 | that I'll ask the court reporter to mark as | 11 | THE WITNESS: Okay. | |\n| | | 12 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 12 | Exhibit 18, which has a control number on it of | | | |\n| 13 | 00016119. That number is the number for the entire | 13 | Q | |\n| 14 | document. It was produced to us without Bates | | | |\n| 15 | stamps, so just for clarity, we put a control number | | | |\n| 16 | on it. | 16 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| 17 | | 17 | THE WITNESS: I really do not remember. | |\n| | | 18 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | 19 | Q Okay. Let me show you another document. | |\n| | | 20 | MR. LUFT: Let's mark as Exhibit 19 -- | |\n| 21 | (Exh bit 18 was marked for I.D.) | 21 | COURT REPORTER: Sorry. | |\n| 22 | THE WITNESS: Okay. | 22 | MR. LUFT: Sorry. | |\n| 23 | BY MR. LUFT: | 23 | -- a document bearing the control stamp | |\n| 24 | Q Ms. Ngok, do you recognize this document? | 24 | CTRL00016119, which purports to be | |\n| 25 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | | | |\n| | Page 94 | | Page 96 | |\n| 1 | THE WITNESS: I -- I'm sure I'm not able | 1 | | |\n| 2 | to recognize it. | | | |\n| 3 | BY MR. LUFT: | 3 | (Exhibit 19 was marked for I.D.) | |\n| 4 | Q Okay. Well, let's see if we can find | 4 | THE WITNESS: Okay. | |\n| 5 | something you recognize. | 5 | MR. MAJOR: Object | |\n| 6 | | 6 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| | | 7 | Q | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| 12 | A Can you point it out to me which page it | | | |\n| 13
is? | | | | |\n| 14 | Q Of course, ma'am. I can show you on mine. | | | |\n| 15 | I'm about eight pages in -- | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| 16 | MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| 18 | THE WITNESS: You mean this page | | | |\n| 19 | (indicating)? | | | |\n| 20 | BY MR. LUFT: | | | |\n| 21 | Q | | | |\n| | | 22 | INTERPRETER: Sorry. | |\n| | | 23 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 24 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 24 | Q | |\n| 25 | THE WITNESS:
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reporter to mark as Exhibit 21 another document |\n| 12
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. |\n| 2 | Technologies is? | 2
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Q |\n| 4 | Q Ms. Ngok, you previously told me you have | |\n| 5 | a debit card for Greenwich Land -- for a Greenwich | |\n| 6 | Land account? | |\n| 7 | A I don't know what it is. It's -- I call | |\n| 8 | it the \"consumer\" card. I can use it to consume | |\n| 9 | things, but I don't know what you call it. | |\n| 10 | Q Ms. Ngok, that card is issued by Bento | 10
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 11 | Technologies, correct? | 11
THE WITNESS: I don't remember clearly. |\n| 12 | MR. MAJOR: I've just been advised that | 12
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13 | there may have been a part missing from the | 13
Q Okay. |\n| 14 | translation. She said something about not | |\n| | | |\n| 15 | taking money out of the card. | |\n| 16 | (Ms. Song speaking Mandarin.) | |\n| 17 | (The reporter requested clarification.) | |\n| 18 | MS. SONG: So she just mentioned that she | 18
A I do not know. |\n| 19 | never tried to take money out using that Bento | 19
Q Okay. In the interest of trying to save |\n| 20 | card and that she just used it to make some | 20
some time, I'm going to ask you a question that |\n| 21 | consumptions. So the part of -- | 21
consolidates a number of these exhibits. But if you |\n| 22 | MR. LUFT: You can't take down her | 22
need me to break any of it up, please let me know. |\n| 23 | testimony. | |\n| 24 | INTERPRETER: Can the interpreter | |\n| 25 | reinterpret? | |\n| | Page 114 | Page 116 |\n| 1 | MR. LUFT: That's perfectly fine. | |\n| 2 | INTERPRETER: Yeah, that's the proper way | |\n| 3 | to do it. | |\n| 4 | (Interpreter speaking Mandarin.) | |\n| 5 | THE WITNESS: Okay. I don't know what it | |\n| 6 | is called. I call it the \"consumer\" card. I | |\n| 7 | can use it to consume -- buy things, but I | |\n| 8 | never withdrawal any cash out of it. But I | |\n| 9 | don't know what you call it. | |\n| 10 | MR. LUFT: Okay. Everyone good with that? | |\n| 11 | That's okay? Okay. | |\n| 12 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 13 | Q Okay. | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| 24 | INTERPRETER: I'm sorry. | |\n| 25 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 32 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 33 of 52\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 33 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 34 of 52\n\n| Page 121 | Page 123 |\n|----------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1
the record; you don't have to do anything with them | 1 |\n| 2
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MR. LUFT: I marked a document bearing -- | |\n| 4
as Exhibit 34 bearing the Bates stamp | |\n| 5 | 5
Chris, do you want her to translate all |\n| | 6
that or? |\n| | 7
MR. MAJOR: I'm okay not translating all |\n| | 8
that. |\n| 9
As Exhibit 35, the next in that series, | 9
MR. LUFT: Okay. |\n| 10 | 10
THE WITNESS: Okay. I'll just give a gist |\n| | 11
of it. |\n| | 12
MR. LUFT: You can just tell her that I -- |\n| | 13
INTERPRETER: Oh, sorry. Just give me one |\n| 14
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stenographic record.) | 15
(Interpreter speaking Mandarin.) |\n| 16
MR. LUFT: Exh bit -- we've marked as | 16
THE WITNESS: Okay. |\n| 17
Exhibit 36 another | 17
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Q Ms. Ngok, I'll ask you to turn to -- if |\n| | 19
you could just pull out Exhibit 22 and Exhibit 33. |\n| | 20 |\n| | |\n| 22
We marked as Exhibit 37 a | |\n| | 23
INTERPRETER: Sorry. |\n| | 24
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THE WITNESS: Yes. |\n| | |\n| Page 122 | Page 124 |\n| 1
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We marked as Exhibit 39 | |\n| | 7
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 8
THE WITNESS: I see it. |\n| | 9
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We marked as Exhibit 40 | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 16
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MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 17
THE WITNESS: Which date? |\n| | 18
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THE WITNESS: Yes, I see it. |\n| 20
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Q Ms. Ngok, who had the authority to write |\n| | 3
checks on behalf of Greenwich Land's bank account at |\n| | 4
The First Bank of Greenwich? |\n| | 5
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 6
INTERPRETER: Thank you. | 6
THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 7
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Land's bank account at The First Bank of Greenwich? |\n| | 11
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 12
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Q Ms. Ngok, are you familiar with a company |\n| | |\n| | 15
called Gypsy Mei -- M-E -- \"Mei\" is spelled M-E-I, |\n| 16
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same as your daughter's -- Food Service, LLC? |\n| 17
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A I am not familiar with this. |\n| | 18
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Exhibit 45 a document bearing the Bates stamp |\n| | 20
HR0003000 through 32, titled \"Minute Book of |\n| | 21
Gypsy Mei Food Services, Hodgson Russ, |\n| | 22
Attorneys.\" |\n| | 23
(Exhibit 45 was marked for I.D.) |\n| | 24
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Q Okay. We're going to come back to these, | |\n| 14
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reporter to mark as Exhibit 44 a document produced | |\n| 21
to us by | |\n| | |\n| The document bears the Bates stamp -- or | |\n| | |\n| 24
control number CTRL00016116. | 24
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(Exhibit 44 was marked for I.D.) | |\n| | |\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 35 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 36 of 52\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 36 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 37 of 52\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 37 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 38 of 52\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 38 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 39 of 52\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 39 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 40 of 52\n\n| | Page 145 | | Page 147 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | MR. MAJOR: That's fine. | 1 | Max Krasner resigned from his position at Greenwich |\n| 2 | BY MR. LUFT: | 2 | Land. Are you aware of those statements to the |\n| 3 | Q Okay. And specifically, Interrogatory | 3 | court? |\n| 4 | No. 6 asks Greenwich Land to \"Identify all employees | 4 | A I do not know. |\n| 5 | of Greenwich Land, including directors and officers, | 5 | MR. MAJOR: Just objection. I just want |\n| 6 | and the role of each identified individual.\" | 6 | to -- it's fine, the answer is out. But just |\n| 7 | And in response Greenwich Land stated that | 7 | because it dealt with the court, I was going to |\n| 8 | you are presently the sole member of Greenwich Land | 8 | put in an objection regarding privilege. But |\n| 9 | and Greenwich Land presently has no separate | 9 | she's already answered it and it didn't reveal |\n| 10 | manager, officers, or employees. And then it says | 10 | any privileged communication. So I pardon the |\n| 11 | Greenwich Land previously had officers. Yvette | 11 | interruption, but I just wanted to note that |\n| 12 | Wang, Daniel Podhaskie, and Max Krasner previously | 12 | since I had already interrupted, just telling |\n| 13 | served in the roles of vice president of Greenwich | 13 | you why. |\n| 14 | Land. All of them resigned before the end of 2022? | 14 | (A discussion was held off the |\n| 15 | INTERPRETER: End of 2022? | 15 | stenographic record.) |\n| 16 | MR. LUFT: Yes, that's what it says. | 16 | THE WITNESS: Okay. |\n| 17 | BY MR. LUFT: | 17 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18 | Q Ms. Ngok, was that information correct | 18 | Q Ms. Ngok, if it helps refresh your |\n| 19 | when you signed and verified these interrogatories? | 19 | recollection, if you look at page 6 of your |\n| 20 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 20 | interrogatories, under \"Right to Supplement,\" it |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS: Yes. | 21 | references language related to Max Krasner resigning |\n| 22 | BY MR. LUFT: | 22 | on November 5, 2022. Does that refresh your |\n| 23 | Q Okay. So is it fair to say that, to | 23 | recollection that someone by the name of Max Krasner |\n| 24 | Greenwich Land's knowledge, Chunguang Han was never | 24 | resigned from Greenwich Land on November 5, 2022? |\n| 25 | a manager, officer, or employee of Greenwich Land? | 25 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 146
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(A discussion was held off the |\n| 2 | THE WITNESS: I've never heard about it. | 2 | stenographic record.) |\n| 3 | BY MR. LUFT: | 3 | THE WITNESS: Which page? |\n| 4 | Q Okay. Is it also fair to say that your | 4 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 5 | daughter, Mei Guo, has also never been a manager, | 5 | Q Page 6. |\n| 6 | director, or officer of Greenwich Land -- or | 6 | A I can't read it. |\n| 7 | employee. | 7 | Q That's okay. |\n| 8 | MR. LUFT: Sorry. | | |\n| 9 | INTERPRETER: Sorry. | | |\n| 10 | THE WITNESS: How do I put it? Well, I | | |\n| 11 | don't know. | | |\n| 12 | BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 13 | Q Okay. Well, when you signed the | | |\n| 14 | interrogatory -- certified -- signed the | | |\n| 15 | interrogatories to certify the answer, did Greenwich | | |\n| 16 | Land have any reason to believe that Mei Guo has | | |\n| 17 | been an employee, director, or officer of Greenwich | | |\n| 18 | Land, such that she should be included in the | | |\n| 19 | answer? | | |\n| 20 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | | |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS: I'm not sure about that. | 21 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22 | BY MR. LUFT: | 22 | Q Okay. Do you see if, when we look at the |\n| 23 | Q Okay. And, Ms. Ngok, Greenwich Land has | 23 | exhibits -- |\n| 24 | filed documents with the court in this case stating | 24 | INTERPRETER: Okay. The interpreter would |\n| 25 | that on November 5, 2022, a person by the name of | 25 | like to rectify the answer. The answer is \"I'm |\n| | | | |\n\n\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 40 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 41 of 52\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 41 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 42 of 52\n\n| Page 153 | Page 155 |\n|-------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | |\n| | |\n| | |\n| 4
(Exhibit 47 was marked for I.D.) | |\n| 5
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MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| | 7
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(Exhibit 48 was marked for I.D.) | |\n| 11
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reporter to mark as Exhibit 49 | 12
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MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 17
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to mark Exhibit 50 | |\n| | |\n| | 21
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INTERPRETER: Can I have the question | |\n| 15
again, sir? | |\n| 16
MR. LUFT: You could just strike it. | |\n| 17
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want to have any attorney-client privileged |\n| 21
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communications put on the record. So I just |\n| 22
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want to -- I don't know what the best thing to |\n| | 23
do is, but I'd like to maybe -- and I have no |\n| | 24
idea what the rest of the answer was, so I |\n| | 25
don't know if it just a passing reference or |\n| | |\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 42 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 43 of 52\n\n\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 43 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 44 of 52\n\n| | Page 161 | Page 163 |\n|---------------------------------|----------|---------------------------------------------------|\n| BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | 24 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 25 | Q Ms. Ngok, are you familiar with the |\n| | | |\n| | Page 162 | Page 164 |\n| 1
THE WITNESS: I don't know. | 1 | restaurant Henry Cipriani, which is in the same |\n| BY MR. LUFT: | 2 | building as the Sherry Netherland apartment? |\n| | 3 | A I am not familiar. |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | 13 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 14 | Q Ms. Ngok, have you personally ever eaten |\n| | 15 | at Henry Cipriani [sic], which is located in the |\n| | 16 | same building as the Sherry Netherland hotel? |\n| | 17 | A Yes, I have dined in the same -- in that |\n| | | |\n| | 18 | restaurant before, but that was years back when I |\n| | 19 | first came to the United States, probably in the |\n| | 20 | year of 2017. |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 44 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 45 of 52\n\n| Page 165 | Page 167 |\n|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1
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restaurant when I first came to the United | |\n| 3
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Q But he is a person who has signed -- | |\n| 8
opened bank accounts and signed documents on behalf | |\n| 9
of Greenwich Land, correct? | |\n| 10
MR. MAJOR: Just objection to form. | |\n| 11
I'm sorry.
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(Exhibit 51 was marked for I.D.)
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A I don't remember.
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Exhibit 52 a |\n| | |\n| | |\n| | 7
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Q |\n| | |\n| | form.
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MR. MAJOR: Objection to form.
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. |\n| | 23
MR. LUFT: Okay. Let's mark as -- |\n| | 24
MR. MAJOR: Can I just ask a question on |\n| | 25
Exhibit 52? |\n| | |\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 45 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 46 of 52\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 46 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 47 of 52\n\n| Page 173 | Page 175 |\n|------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1
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later? |\n| 2
Q What if -- please tell me -- | 2
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 3
A I do not know who. | 3
THE WITNESS: I do not know. |\n| 4
INTERPRETER: Sorry. | 4
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 5
MR. LUFT: Okay. | 5
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A I do not know. |\n| | 9
Q Ms. Ngok, are you familiar with someone by |\n| 10
MR. LUFT: Okay. Let's mark as Exhibit 55 | 10
the name of Dinggang Wang? |\n| 11
a | 11
INTERPRETER: Can I have the spelling of
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the name, sir? |\n| | 13
MR. LUFT: D-I-N-G-G-A-N-G, space, Wang, |\n| 14
(Exhibit 55 was marked for I.D.) | 14
W-A-N-G. |\n| 15
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THE WITNESS: I am not familiar. |\n| | 16
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 17
Q |\n| | |\n| | 19
A I do not know. |\n| | 20
Q Okay. Ms. Ngok, I'm going to have marked |\n| | 21
as Exhibit -- what are we up to, 56? -- 56 documents |\n| | 22
entitled \"Residential Lease Renewal Agreement,\" |\n| | 23
between Greenwich Land, LLC, and Wang Dinggang. |\n| | 24
(Exhibit 56 was marked for I.D.) |\n| 25
A I don't know. I don't know why. | 25 |\n| Page 174 | Page 176 |\n| 1
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A I don't remember. |\n| | 4
Q Did you ever authorize Greenwich Land to |\n| | 5
lease 33 Ferncliff to a man named Dinggang Wang? |\n| | 6
A I don't remember. |\n| | 7
Q Ms. Ngok, I'm going have the court |\n| | 8
reporter mark as Exhibit 57 a copy of a document |\n| | 9
entitled \"Residential Lease Renewal Waiver |\n| 10
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 10
Agreement,\" which is an agreement between, again, |\n| 11
THE WITNESS: I really do not know why. | 11
Greenwich Land, LLC, and Mr. Wang Dinggang dated |\n| 12
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October 9, 2020. |\n| 13
Q | 13
(Exhibit 57 was marked for I.D.) |\n| | 14
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Q Ms. Ngok, who authorized Greenwich Land to |\n| | 16
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related to he and his family living at 33 Ferncliff? |\n| 18
MR. MAJOR: Objection. | 18
MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. |\n| 19
THE WITNESS: I do not understand your | 19
THE WITNESS: I'm not sure. |\n| 20
question. | 20
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Q Okay. Ms. Ngok, is part of Greenwich |\n| 22
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Land's business to do media consulting? |\n| | 23
A I'm not sure. |\n| | 24
Q You're the sole member of Greenwich Land. |\n| | 25
Are you aware of any media business that Greenwich |\n| | |\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 47 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 48 of 52\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 48 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 49 of 52\n\n| | Page 181 | 1 | Page 183
INTERPRETER: Can the interpreter clarify? |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| | | 2 | I was still interpreting the first question; |\n| 3 | MR. LUFT: Let's mark as Exhibit 59 a | 3 | you asked a second question. Can the |\n| 4 | document titled \"Retail Fuel Delivery and | | |\n| | | 4 | interpreter reinterpret? |\n| 5 | Service Agreement,\" dated February 6, 2020, | 5 | MR. LUFT: And then she answered the |\n| 6 | under the name of Ho Wan Kwok for the address | 6 | question, correct? |\n| 7 | of 30 Ferncliff Road [sic]. | 7 | INTERPRETER: Yes, she answered the |\n| 8 | (Exhibit 59 was marked for I.D.) | 8 | question. She said yes. |\n| 9 | (A discussion was held off the | 9 | MR. LUFT: To my first question, and |\n| 10 | stenographic record.) | 10 | then -- |\n| 11 | MR. LUFT: Guys, I have to ask for a copy | 11 | MR. MAJOR: I don't know -- I disagree |\n| 12 | back. Sorry. Thank you. | 12 | with that. |\n| 13 | BY MR. LUFT: | 13 | MR. LUFT: You can't disagree. She's the |\n| 14 | Q Ms. Ngok, this is a fuel delivery | 14 | interpreter, Chris. She's telling you that's |\n| 15 | agreement -- | 15 | what happened. |\n| 16 | MR. MAJOR: Wait. Hold on. The -- you | 16 | MR. MAJOR: I'm talking about the order of |\n| 17 | just took our copies back and -- | 17 | the questions. |\n| 18 | MR. LUFT: I didn't take your copies. You | 18 | MR. LUFT: Do you speak Chinese? |\n| 19 | have two lawyers; I gave you one. You guys | 19 | MR. MAJOR: First of all, that's not a |\n| 20 | still have one, right? | 20 | language but -- and you've been saying that all |\n| 21 | MR. MAJOR: No, we gave them both back. | 21 | day but |\n| 22 | You said it was the wrong document. | 22 | MR. LUFT: It's not? No, there are two |\n| 23 | MR. LUFT: No, I just needed a copy. | 23 | dialects I think you're referring to, but |\n| 24 | MR. MAJOR: Ah, okay. | 24 | there's obviously a language of Chinese, and |\n| 25 | | 25 | Mandarin is commonly referred to as \"Chinese.\" |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 182 | | Page 184 |\n| 1 | BY MR. LUFT: | 1 | Let's not waste time. |\n| 2 | Q Ms. Ngok, this is a retail fuel delivery | 2 | MR. MAJOR: Hold on. |\n| 3 | and service agreement dated February 6, 2020, for | 3 | MR. LUFT: Chris, I understand there's ten |\n| 4 | the address 33 Ferncliff Road, Cos Cob, Connecticut, | 4 | minutes; I understand you're trying to run it |\n| 5 | under the name of Ho Wan Kwok. | 5 | out all of a sudden with all these -- |\n| 6 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 6 | MR. MAJOR: I'm not trying to run it out. |\n| 7 | BY MR. LUFT: | 7 | You asked a compound question; I'm objecting to |\n| 8 | Q 33 Ferncliff Road is the house Greenwich | 8 | the compound question. |\n| 9 | Land owned, correct? And Ho Wan Kwok is the name of | 9 | MR. LUFT: Okay. |\n| 10 | your husband, correct? | 10 | Ms. Interpreter, can you please explain |\n| 11 | MR. LUFT: She just answered something, | 11 | what happened? |\n| 12 | echo. You got to translate it. | 12 | (The reporter requested clarification.) |\n| 13 | MR. MAJOR: Hold on. I have -- it's a | 13 | INTERPRETER: Can -- the interpreter was |\n| 14 | compound question. You asked her what the | 14 | still interpreting the first question and |\n| 15 | document was -- | 15 | Ms. -- Ms. Guo actually answered the second |\n| 16 | MR. LUFT: She answered and it wasn't | 16 | question while I was interpreting them. |\n| 17 | translated, Chris. | 17 | Can the interpreter reinterpret both the |\n| 18 | MR. MAJOR: No, but you asked two | 18 | questions? |\n| 19 | questions at once. | 19 | MR. LUFT: Why don't I just withdraw it |\n| 20 | MR. LUFT: No, Chris, it just wasn't | 20 | and we'll just do it very quick? |\n| 21 | translated. She answered. | 21 | INTERPRETER: Okay, then. |\n| 22 | MR. MAJOR: I'm looking at the realtime, | 22 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23 | and I heard you -- | 23 | Q Exhibit 59 says 33 Ferncliff Road, which |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT: Whatever the -- 'cause Echo | 24 | is a house you had previously told me was owned by |\n| 25 | didn't translate it, Chris. | 25 | Greenwich Land, the name on the account of -- is Ho |\n\n\n\n# Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 49 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 50 of 52\n\n| | Page 185 | | Page 187 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Wan Kwok. That is your husband, correct? | 1 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 2 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form, including | | |\n| 3 | compound. | | |\n| 4 | THE WITNESS: I never said that the | | |\n| 5 | 33 Ferncliff Road house is under my husband's | | |\n| 6 | name. | | |\n| 7 | BY MR. LUFT: | 7 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 8 | Q No, I understand that. The document -- | | |\n| 9 | but Exhibit 59, which is the fuel agreement, states | | |\n| 10 | that 33 Ferncliff Road is under your husband's name, | | |\n| 11 | correct? | | |\n| 12 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | | |\n| 13 | THE WITNESS: I still do not know what | | |\n| 14 | this document means, even right now. | | |\n| 15 | BY MR. LUFT: | | |\n| 16 | Q Ms. Ngok, do you have any involvement with | | |\n| | | | |\n| 17 | paying the fuel bill for -- did you have any | 17 | MR. LUFT: Ms. Ngok, I have no further |\n| 18 | involvement with paying the fuel bill for | 18 | questions at this time. Thank you very much |\n| 19 | 33 Ferncliff Road? | 19 | for what has been long and a very hot day in |\n| 20 | A You mean fuel? What is it? | 20 | this room. |\n| 21 | Q Yes. | 21 | THE WITNESS: Thank you, everybody. It |\n| 22 | A It's like gasoline? | 22 | has been a hard day for everyone. Thank you so |\n| 23 | Q The fuel that heats the home. | 23 | much. |\n| 24 | A And then? Then what? | 24 | MR. MAJOR: Actually, I just want to put |\n| 25 | Q My question is did you have any | 25 | two -- I'll be very, very quick. I'd like to |\n| | Page 186 | | Page 188 |\n| 1 | involvement in paying for the fuel bill for | 1 | mark the video and then the still images |\n| 2 | 33 Ferncliff Road? | 2 | thereof highly confidential for security |\n| 3 | A I don't remember. | 3 | reasons. |\n| 4 | Q Let me show you another document. | 4 | I'd like to reserve the right, as |\n| 5 | MR. LUFT: We're going to mark as | 5 | ridiculous as it may sound, to read and sign. |\n| 6 | Exhibit 60 a copy of a Petro Home Services bill | 6 | I just don't want to let that go. I know it's |\n| 7 | to Ho Wan Kwok at 33 Ferncliff Road, Cos Cob, | 7 | a logistical situation and we may well not do |\n| 8 | Connecticut. | 8 | that, but I just want to reserve that right. |\n| 9 | (Exhibit 60 was marked for I.D.) | 9 | MR. LUFT: Okay. |\n| 10 | BY MR. LUFT: | 10 | COURT REPORTER: And can I just get the |\n| 11 | Q Ms. Ngok, do you see that this a copy of a | 11 | orders on the record? |\n| 12 | fuel bill for 33 Ferncliff Road in the name of your | 12 | MR. LUFT: Sure. We'd like the rough and |\n| 13 | husband, Ho Wan Kwok? | 13 | expedited. |\n| 14 | MR. MAJOR: Objection to form. | 14 | MR. MAJOR: And I just ask that the |\n| 15 | THE WITNESS: I see his name, yes, but I | 15 | transcript be marked \"Confidential\" except |\n| 16 | don't recognize any other information on this | 16 | where we marked it \"Highly confidential,\" and |\n| 17 | page. | 17 | then we'll give it a review. And if there are |\n| 18 | MR. LUFT: Let's go off the record for a | 18 | spots that don't need to be marked, we'll deal |\n| 19 | minute. | 19 | with that then. |\n| 20 | VIDEOGRAPHER: We're off the record. The | 20 | MR. LUFT: I will -- I don't agree that |\n| 21 | time is 8:53. | 21 | everything on the record should be |\n| 22 | (A recess was taken.) | 22 | confidential. And that's going to create a |\n| 23 | VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record. | 23 | major headache for the court when they have to |\n| 24 | The time is 9:01. | 24 | use this, including the fact that we all have |\n| 25 | | 25 | to make any use of it and any filings, both in |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n\n\n\n## Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 50 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 51 of 52\n\n| | Page 189 | | Page 191 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|--------|---------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | court and in briefs, confidential. I don't | 1 | C E R T I F I C A T E |\n| 2 | think there's any basis, other than where we | 2 | I hereby certify that I am a Notary Public, |\n| 3 | have specified that things should be marked | 3 | in and for the State of Connecticut, duly |\n| 4 | \"Confidential\" or \"Highly confidentially,\" to | 4 | commissioned and qualified to administer oaths. |\n| 5 | say that the rest of the record needs to be | 5 | I further certify that the deponent named in |\n| 6 | marked \"Confidential\" for the entire | 6 | the foregoing deposition was by me duly sworn, and |\n| 7 | deposition. | 7 | thereupon testified as appears in the foregoing |\n| 8 | MR. MAJOR: I was just saying it for a | 8 | deposition; that said deposition was taken by me |\n| 9 | period of time, to allow us to review the | 9 | stenographically in the presence of counsel and |\n| | | 10 | reduced to typewriting under my direction, and the |\n| 10 | transcript to see if there's anything we want | 11 | foregoing is a true and accurate transcript of the |\n| 11 | to mark \"Confidential.\" We can deal with that | 12 | testimony. |\n| 12 | off the record. | 13 | I further certify that I am neither of |\n| 13 | And then, in terms of the order, I'll take | 14 | counsel nor attorney to either of the parties to |\n| 14 | a -- I think regular delivery will be fine. | 15 | said suit, nor am I an employee of either party to |\n| 15 | And I'm sure it includes it, but a mini as | 16 | said suit, nor of either counsel in said suit, nor |\n| 16 | well. | 17 | am I interested in the outcome of said cause. |\n| 17 | COURT REPORTER: And did you want a rough? | 18 | Witness my hand and seal as Notary Public |\n| 18 | Sorry. | 19 | this 13th day of September, 2023. |\n| 19 | MR. MAJOR: I don't think we need a rough, | 20 | |\n| 20 | but if we do, we'll reach out to you. Is that | 21 | _______________________________ |\n| 21 | okay? | | Deborah Gentile |\n| 22 | COURT REPORTER: Sure. | 22 | Notary Public |\n| 23 | THE WITNESS: Thank you. | 23 | |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT: Thank you, everyone. | 24 | My commission expires:
October 31, 2026 |\n| 25 | MS. SONG: Thank you. | 25 | |\n| | Page 190 | | Page 192 |\n| 1 | VIDEOGRAPHER: This is concludes today's | 1 | |\n| 2 | deposition. We're off the record at 9:05 p.m. | 2 | INDEX OF EXAMINATIONS |\n| 3 | (The deposition concluded at 9:05 p.m.) | 3
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- Notice of Deposition, Ms. Ngok
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Land, LLC |\n| 8 | | 10 | |\n| 9 | | | Exhibit 3 - Greenwich Land's Supplemental
21 |\n| 10 | | 11 | Responses to Interrogatories,
9/9/23 |\n| 11 | | 12 | |\n| 12 | | | Exhibit 4 - |\n| 13 | | 14 | Exhibit 5 - |\n| 14 | | | |\n| 15 | | 15 | Exhibit 6 - |\n| 16 | | | |\n| 17 | | 17 | Exhibit 7 - |\n| 18 | | 18 | |\n| 19 | | | Exhibit 8 - |\n| 20 | | 20 | Exhibit 9 - |\n| | | | |\n| 21 | | 21 | Exhibit 10 - |\n| 22 | | | |\n| 23 | | 23 | Exhibit 11 - |\n| 24 | | 24 | |\n| 25 | | 25 | |\n| | | | |\n\n#### Case 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 51 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 52 of 52\n\n| Page 193 | Page 195 |\n|----------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1
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Exhibit 57 - Residential Lease Renewal Waiver
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25 |\n| A FOOTTIDE | |","body_zh":"证物53\n证物B\n证物21\n案号 22-50073，文件 2292-53，于 10/26/23 提交，于 10/26/23 20:46:12 登记；第 4 页；案号 23-05005，文件 85-1，于 10/16/23 提交，于 10/16/23 19:44:19 登记；第 3 页，共 51 52 页\n\nSeptember 11, 2023\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nYVer1f\n\nHING CHI NGOK（郭英姿）·高度保密\n\n第5页 第7页\n\n1 摄像员：这是对 Hing Chi Ngok 的录像证言笔录第1卷。\n2 ECHO LIM（林回声）经依法宣誓后，作如下口译：\n2 录像证言笔录，涉及 Despins, Kwok (sic) v. Greenwich\n3 HING CHI NGOK 经依法宣誓后，接受询问并作如下证言：\n\n5 Land, et al. 一案，该案在 United States Bankruptcy Court, District of Connecticut, Bridgeport Division（美国康涅狄格州联邦破产法院布里奇波特分院）审理，\n6 案号\n7 22-50073。 7 直接询问\n8 本次证言笔录于 9/11/2023 上午10:22在 Meister Seelig & Fein（迈斯特·西利格与费因律师事务所）举行。本人\n8 由 LUFT 先生进行：\n9 姓名为 Debbie O'Toole（黛比·奥图尔），系摄像员。 9 问：早上好，Ngok 女士。您好吗？\n10 书记员为 Debbie Gentile（黛比·金泰尔）。 10 答：很好。谢谢。\n11 律师，请介绍\n11 问：Ngok 女士，我想确认您明白，您今天既是以个人身份\n12 各自姓名及所属机构。随后将对证人进行宣誓。 12 作为被询问证人出席，同时也是\n13 Greenwich Land 的公司代表，\n14 对吗？\n15 LUFT 先生：早上好。本人名叫 Avi Luft（阿维·卢夫特）。本人就职于\n16 Paul Hastings（普衡律师事务所）。本人代理 Chapter 11\n17 受托人 Luc A. Despins（吕克·A·德斯平）。\n18 与本人一同出席的是同事 Doug Barron（道格·巴伦）和 Luyi Song（宋露易）。\n19\n20 MAJOR 先生：早上好。Chris Major（克里斯·梅杰），\n21 Meister Seelig & Fein。我们代理本对抗程序中的\n22 被告，\n23 郭女士及 Greenwich Land, LLC，并在本次证言笔录中\n24 代理证人。 24 答：是。\n25 INTRATER 先生：早上好。 25 LUFT 先生：我将请书记员\n\n第6页 第8页\n\n1 Zach Intrater（扎克·因特雷特），Brafman & Associates（布拉夫曼律师事务所）。本人\n1 将 Chapter 11\n2 在本次证言笔录中代理郭女士。 2 受托人向 Hing Chi Ngok 发出的证言笔录通知副本标记为证物1。\n3 书记员：\n通常约定？ 3 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n4 LUFT 先生：\n我不知道那些是什么，因此 4 证人：我无法辨认\n5 我们就先继续，直到弄清楚为止。 5 它。我不能阅读英文，也\n6 MAJOR 先生：\n好的，我想，为了—— 6\n7 不理解这份文件的内容。\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n7 使我们能够完成本次证言笔录，我希望 8 问：好的。\n8 达成一项约定，即除对问题形式提出的异议外，所有异议\n9 均予保留。 9 LUFT 先生：我将把 Chapter 11\n10 这样我们就不必逐一讨论 10 受托人依据 Federal Rule of Civil\n11 每一项可能的异议。 11 Procedure 30(b)(6) 向 Greenwich\n12 LUFT 先生：\n可以。这本来就是 12 Land, LLC 发出的证言笔录通知副本标记为 Ngok 证言笔录证物2。\n13 我对规则的理解。\n我的意思 14 （证物2已为识别目的标记。）\n14 并非不存在异议，只是异议具体为何。 15 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n15 。 16 问：Ngok 女士，我已向您出示标记为证物2的文件，\n16 MAJOR 先生：\n好的。 17 该文件是向\n\n18 LUFT 先生：\n以及——\n书记员：\n请举起您的 18 Greenwich Land, LLC 发出的证言笔录通知副本。您以前\n19 见过这份文件吗？\n\n20 右手——\nLUFT 先生：\n抱歉。 20 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n21 为使记录清楚，本次 21 证人：我不知道您的意思。\n22 证言笔录是对 Hing Chi Ngok 及 22 口译员：口译员可以\n23 Greenwich Land 进行的。因此涉及两名被告。 23 重新口译这个问题吗？这是 Ngok 女士\n24 的请求。\n25 25 LUFT 先生：好的。我唯一的问题是\n\n第9页 第11页\n\n1 她以前是否见过这份文件。\n2 （口译员用普通话口译。）\n3 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n4 证人：我不理解这份\n5 文件。\n6 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n7 问：Ngok 女士，您的律师是否向您提供了证言笔录通知的译文，其中以中文列明\n8 您代表 Greenwich Land, LLC 就今天证言笔录\n9 需要就哪些事项作证？\n10\n11 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。基于\n12 特权理由，指示证人不要回答。 13 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n14 证人：好的。 14 问：Ngok 女士，我将像上次一样向您提出一系列\n15 由 LUFT 先生询问： 15 问题。若因任何\n16 问：您会遵从律师的 16 原因不理解我的问题，您会\n17 指示吗？ 17 告诉我吗？\n18 答：是。 18 答：好的。\n19 问：Ngok 女士，您是否准备好就 Greenwich Land\n20 证言笔录通知中列出的17项事项作证？ 20 问：如果——如果——我们能否达成一项\n21 约定，即如果您不告诉我您\n22 不理解我的问题，那么我可以假定您\n23 理解该问题？\n23 问：好的。您可以把那份文件放在一边。 23 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n24 Ngok 女士，如您所知，我于 January 5, 2023 对您进行了\n25 证言笔录，对吗？ 25 证人：我不太理解\n\n第10页\n1 答：是在一月，我记得。 1 第12页\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n2 问：本次证言笔录的规则相同。若您不介意，我只想\n3 再说明其中几项，好吗？ 3 问：当然。如果——如果我问您一个问题，\n4 而您不告诉我您不理解它，\n4 再说明其中几项，好吗？ 4 我是否可以合理地假定您理解\n5 答：可以，请说。 5 它？\n6 问：Ngok 女士，您明白您今天是在宣誓后作证吗？ 6 答：不能。如果我不理解一个问题，\n7 答：当然。 7 您不能假定我理解该问题。\n8 问：您明白这意味着您必须如实作证吗？ 8 问：谢谢。这不是我所说的，\n9 所以这正是一个很好的例子。我们重新开始。\n10 如果您不理解我的问题，您会\n11 告诉我吗？\n12 答：我不会。如果我不理解您的\n13 问题，我不会告诉您，因为我\n14 不理解。\n15 问：您会告诉我您不理解\n16 我的问题吗？\n17 答：当然会。\n18 问：如果我问您一个问题，而您没有\n19 告诉我您不理解，我是否可以假定\n20 您理解我的问题？\n21 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n22 证人：当然。这样可以。\n23 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n24 问：很好。好的。\n25 Ngok 女士，如我们所讨论，您\n\n第13页 第15页\n\n1 今天是代表您本人及 Greenwich Land 这一实体出席？\n2\n3 答：是。\n4 问：如果在回答某一问题时，您的回答\n5 作为个人身份的回答，与您代表\n6 Greenwich Land 所作的回答不同，\n7 您会告诉我吗？\n8 问：除 Major 先生和 Intrater 先生外，\n8 答：是。\n9 问：Ngok 女士，您为准备今天的证言笔录做了什么？ 9 您是否与其他任何人讨论过本次证言笔录？\n10 答：我做了准备。我与我的律师进行了准备。 10 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n11 问：您今天的律师是谁？ 11 证人：没有。\n12 证人：抱歉，先生们。我 12 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n13 无法念出你们的名字。 13 问：除 Intrater 先生和 Major 先生外，\n14 但就是坐在这里的这两位先生 14 您是否与其他任何人讨论过本案？\n15 （指示）。 15 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n16 由 LUFT 先生询问： 16 证人：没有。\n17 问：Major 先生和—— 17 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n18 LUFT 先生：Intrater？是这样 18 问：为准备本次证言笔录，您是否\n19 吗？ 19 查阅过任何文件？\n20 INTRATER 先生：很好。完全正确。 20 答：查阅过。\n21 证人：抱歉。我对任何英文姓名都没有 21 问：您查阅了哪些文件？\n22 记忆。对此抱歉。 22 答：与我为上一次\n23 证言笔录查阅的相同文件。\n24 LUFT 先生：没关系。 24 问：您能提醒我那些文件\n25 为记录起见，我们能否同意她已 25 是什么吗？\n\n第14页\n1 指向 Major 先生和 Intrater 先生，称他们是她会见过的 1 第16页\n答：一些——类似某种银行\n2 律师？ 2 文件。但坦率地说，我\n3 MAJOR 先生：是。 3 甚至不理解它们。\n4 LUFT 先生：好的。 4 问：您记得那些银行文件\n5 证人：（用英语）对此抱歉。 5 是什么吗？\n6 LUFT 先生：没关系。 6 答：我不记得。\n7 证人：好的。 7 问：除为本次证言笔录做准备外，\n8 由 LUFT 先生询问： 8 您此前是否见过这些银行文件？\n9 问：您为准备本次证言笔录与他们会面了多少次？ 9 答：没有。\n10 答：两次。 10 问：那些银行文件是否与您的\n11 问：您何时与他们会面？ 11 个人银行账户有关？\n12 答：我不记得具体时间，但 12 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n13 在一个月内发生。 13 证人：不是。\n14 问：您与他们会面了多长时间？ 14 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n15 答：可能从一至两小时，或 15 问：那些是否为与\n16 两至三小时不等。 16 Greenwich Land 的银行账户有关的银行文件？\n17 问：您与您的律师、 17 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n18 Intrater 先生或 Major 先生会面时，是否还有其他人 18 证人：它们不是对账单。我\n19 在场？ 19 不知道它们是什么。我甚至——我\n20 答：口译员——口译员。 20 无法说明它们是什么。\n21 口译员：抱歉。 21 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n22 由 LUFT 先生询问： 22 问：您能否尽您所能描述\n23 那些银行文件？\n24 答：好的。我不知道它们是否甚至是\n25 文件——它们是否甚至是文件。我见过\n\nSeptember 11, 2023\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nYVer1f\n\nHING CHI NGOK（郭英姿）·高度保密\n\n第17页\n1 它们。我不记得。我无法说明其内容。 1 第19页\nMAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。基于\n\n2 特权理由，指示证人不要回答。\n3 问：但它们是您为准备本次证言笔录而查看的文件？ 3 特权理由，指示证人不要回答。\n4 MAJOR 先生：对问题形式提出异议。 4 LUFT 先生：基于何种理由该事项能够享有\n5 证人：是。 5 特权？我只是询问作出决定之人的\n6 LUFT 先生：Major 先生，我认为 6 姓名。\n7 我们尚未收到任何银行文件。这些 7 MAJOR 先生：您所指的决定——首先，\n8 文件——即证人所称的文件，是否已向我们提供？ 8 您预设了该决定是\n9 证人所指的文件，是否已向我们提供？ 9 Greenwich Land 作出的决定。但是，对\n10 ？ 10 聘请或解除律师关系的考量\n11 MAJOR 先生：我不知道证人具体所指的是哪些文件，但 11 享有特权。\n12 我们已经向您提供了银行记录， 12 LUFT 先生：我并非询问\n13 具体包括 The Bank of Princeton 的记录。我 13 内容；我只是想知道作出决定的是\n14 知道本所负责了该项提供。我 14 谁。这不享有特权。\n15 知道 Updike, Kelly & Spellacy 律师事务所， 15 这不涉及法律意见或其他\n16 我相信，也在刚刚结束的 Rule 2004 审查之前向您提供了一些银行记录。 16 事项。\n17 我推定那就是证人所指的文件， 17 MAJOR 先生：聘请\n18 但我不知道。 18 或解除律师关系的决定属于享有特权的\n19 LUFT 先生：好的。我只要求在休息期间您与她沟通，如果存在 19 事项。\n20 我们尚未收到的 20 LUFT 先生：正确，但作出该决定之人的——\n21 文件，请告知我们并提供，好的？ 21 作出该决定之人的姓名并不\n22\n24 文件，请告知我们并提供，好的？ 23\n24 享有特权。\nMAJOR 先生：在该问题——该\n25 MAJOR 先生：是。而且我不认为存在 25 问题必然要求披露与律师的讨论的范围内——\n\n第18页 第20页\n1 我们持有而您未持有的文件。 1 律师的讨论。\n\n但我肯定会在休会期间再三核对。\n\n卢夫特律师：不，它只要求提供姓名，即该人的姓名。她作为Greenwich Land（格林尼治地产）的代表在此；我可以问她作出该决定的人是谁。这不是受特权保护的问题。\n\n卢夫特律师：太好了。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 除您所称的“银行文件”外，您是否还查阅过任何其他文件以准备本次证言录取？\n\n答 肯定有一些，但我不记得是什么。\n\n问 您最后一次查阅这些文件是在何时？\n\n答 大约是在三周前，但我不记得具体时间。\n\n问 好的。Ngok女士，在我于1月份对您进行证言录取时，代表您的是另一家律师事务所的另一名律师，对吗？\n\n答 对。\n\n问 那是Updike Kelly（厄普代克·凯利律师事务所）的Goldstein先生，对吗？\n\n答 我不记得。\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。指示证人基于特权理由不要回答。\n\n问 Greenwich Land决定将代理律师由Updike Kelly更换为梅杰律师事务所的决定，是由谁作出的？\n\n第21页 第23页\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士，您是否会遵从您律师的指示？\n\n答 对。\n\n问 Ngok女士，我将请法庭记录员将被告Greenwich Land, LLC（格林尼治地产有限责任公司）针对原告Luc Despins（吕克·德斯潘）——第11章受托人——提出的第一套书面质询的补充答复及异议副本，标记为Ngok证言录取证物3。\n\n（证物3已标记以供识别。）\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士——\n\n（法庭速记记录之外进行了讨论。）\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士，我已将一份题为“被告Greenwich Land, LLC针对原告Luc Despins——第11章受托人——提出的第一套书面质询的补充答复及异议”的文件，作为证物3放在您面前。您看到了吗？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：是，我看到了。\n\n在您签署对书面质询的补充答复之前？\n\n答 我确实如此。\n\n问 在签署之前，您是否同意该文件中所载的全部信息均准确且真实？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我相信是这样。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 郭女士，如果我们看一下对第1号书面质询的答复——\n\n口译员：女士——您刚才说的是“郭女士”吗？\n\n卢夫特律师：抱歉。Ngok女士。\n\n口译员：抱歉。好的。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 ——其中有一句称：“Greenwich Land的唯一目的，是拥有位于康涅狄格州格林尼治的一处住宅物业。”\n\n答 对。\n\n问 这是真的吗？\n\n答 对。\n\n问 因此，当您说“Greenwich Land的唯一目的是拥有位于康涅狄格州格林尼治的一处住宅物业”时，您是什么意思？\n\n第22页 第24页\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 如果您翻到该文件的最后一页，您会看到Greenwich Land的签名栏。其载明由Hing Chi Ngok（郭兴芝）签署，“职务：唯一成员。”\n\n口译员：抱歉。\n\n证人：是。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 您看到了吗，Ngok女士？\n\n答 我看到了。\n\n问 那是谁的签名？\n\n答 看起来像是我的签名，但我无法确定是我的。\n\n问 该文件的日期是2023年9月9日，即两天前。\n\n答 两天前？\n\n问 是。\n\n您是否记得两天前签署了答复——书面质询答复？\n\n答 我相信记得。\n\n问 该文件显示，已向您提供该英文文件的普通话译本；对吗？\n\n答 对。\n\n问 您是否阅读了该普通话译本？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不理解这个问题。您能否澄清一下？\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 我的问题很简单，其中有一项书面质询中的陈述，我只是想了解Greenwich Land所称的那项陈述是什么意思。\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：您能告诉我是哪个陈述吗？\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 当然。是在对第1号书面质询的答复中。有一句称：“Greenwich Land的唯一目的，是拥有位于康涅狄格州格林尼治的一处住宅物业。”\n\n答 对。\n\n问 我的理解——我的问题是，Greenwich Land的该项陈述是什么意思？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道您所说的是什么意思。这家公司拥有物业，不是吗？\n\n案件 23-05005 文书 85-1 于10/16/23提交，于10/16/23 19:44:19登记，第9页，共51页；案件 22-50073 文书 2292-53 于10/26/23提交，于10/26/23 20:46:12登记，第10页，共52页\n\n案件 23-05005 文书 85-1 于10/16/23提交，于10/16/23 19:44:19登记，第10页，共51页；案件 22-50073 文书 2292-53 于10/26/23提交，于10/26/23 20:46:12登记，第11页，共52页\n\n2023年9月11日\n\n800.211.DEPO (3376) EsquireSolutions.com\n\nYVer1f\n\nHING CHI NGOK·高度保密\n\n第29页\n\n证人：我对此也不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 自Greenwich Land成立以来，谁——哪些个人有权代表Greenwich——或者让我撤回这个问题。\n\n自Greenwich Land成立以来，哪些个人有权从Greenwich Land账户中支出款项？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士，您是否有权支出Greenwich Land的款项？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我相信我有。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 您获准将Greenwich Land的款项用于什么？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：就像家庭日常开支。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 与物业有关，还是与家庭有关的任何开支？\n\n第31页\n\n正在讨论的？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 您是否知道Greenwich Land从何处取得您用于支付与我们一直讨论的两处房屋无关的个人开支的款项？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Greenwich Land从何处取得其用于支付与我们一直讨论的两处房屋有关的开支的款项？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n口译员：口译员可以重新翻译吗？\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Greenwich Land中谁会知道其所支出的款项来自何处？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Greenwich Land中谁会知道谁——\n\n第30页\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：就像家庭开支。例如，园林绿化、公用事业费用。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 不涉及房屋维护的个人开支如何——让我先停在这里。\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：有时，是的。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 您将Greenwich Land的款项用于哪些与房屋无关的个人开支？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：没有什么特别具体的。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 请尽您所能回忆，说明您曾使用Greenwich Land款项支付的、与您提到的两处房屋维护无关的个人开支。\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不记得。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Greenwich Land用于支付与我们一直讨论的两处房屋维护无关的个人开支的款项来源是什么？\n\n第32页\n\n向Greenwich Land的银行账户提供款项？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不清楚这一点。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 您是否知道自Greenwich Land的银行账户开立以来直至今日，谁提供了存入其中的资金？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 郭女士，是否有任何——抱歉。让我撤回这个问题。让我们澄清一下。\n\nNgok女士，我理解您的姓氏拼写为N-G-O-K；对吗？\n\n答 对。\n\n问 关于答复——如果我们看证物3，在对我们书面质询的答复中，所有提及均为“郭女士”或“郭太太”。因此，我的第一个问题是，对“郭太太”的提及是否应理解为对您的提及，Ngok女士？\n\n答 对。\n\n问 对“郭女士”的提及是否也意在指您，Ngok女士？\n\n案件 23-05005 文书 85-1 于10/16/23提交，于10/16/23 19:44:19登记，第11页，共51页；案件 22-50073 文书 2292-53 于10/26/23提交，于10/26/23 20:46:12登记，第12页，共52页\n\n第33页\n\n答 对。\n\n问 郭女士——抱歉。让我撤回这个问题。\n\n（证人以普通话发言。）\n\n口译员：她说她听不清我说的话。\n\n您还好吗？\n\n（法庭速记记录之外进行了讨论。）\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士，您是否曾从一家名为Hudson Diamond New York（哈德逊钻石纽约公司）的实体收到过款项？\n\n答 我不记得。\n\n问 我将请法庭记录员将一份编号为19的贝茨标记文件，标记为Ngok证言录取证物4。\n\n（证物4已标记以供识别。）\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。在该问题旨在要求证人阅读文件并说明她是否能够识别该文件的范围内，我仅想为记录说明，她不阅读英语，因此无法回答该问题。\n\n第34页\n\n卢夫特律师：您为什么不让我先问完问题，然后再提出异议？\n\n梅杰律师：好的。我只是不知道您——您的陈述是否是一个问题。那不是一个问题，对吗？\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士——\n\n答 是。\n\n问 ——\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问\n\n第35页\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 请告诉我您所知道的关于Hudson Diamond New York的一切。\n\n答 我此前从未听说过这家公司。\n\n问\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n答 是。\n\n问\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：\n\n第36页\n\n卢夫特律师：好的。我们为什么不短暂休息一下？因为之后我会继续进行一会儿。\n\n梅杰律师：当然。\n\n摄像员：好的。现在停止记录。时间为11:25。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n摄像员：现在恢复记录。时间为11:46。\n\n（法庭速记记录之外进行了讨论。）\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n卢夫特律师：该文件对证人而言是倒置的。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士，您面前的是证物5，正如我所说，\n\n案件 23-05005 文书 85-1 于10/16/23提交，于10/16/23 19:44:19登记，第12页，共51页；案件 22-50073 文书 2292-53 于10/26/23提交，于10/26/23 20:46:12登记，第13页，共52页\n\n案件 23-05005 文书 85-1 于10/16/23提交，于10/16/23 19:44:19登记，第13页，共51页；案件 22-50073 文书 2292-53 于10/26/23提交，于10/26/23 20:46:12登记，第14页，共52页\n\n第41页\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 Ngok女士，Greenwich Land将哪个地址用于其银行业务？\n\n梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n第43页\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n第42页\n\n口译员：她正在提问。\n\n证人：我不记得。\n\n证人：我无法说明。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n第44页\n\n问 Ngok女士，拥有您住宅的公司的名称是什么？\n\n答 让我想一下。\n\n好的。我——我难以拼写出公司名称，所以我过去会用一些相近的中文发音来写中文字符。它叫Guan Lei Chi。\n\n口译员：G-U-A-N L-E-I C-H-I。\n\n审问（由卢夫特律师进行）：\n\n问 那是拼音吗？那是拼音吗？\n\n答 是的，是拼音。\n\n译员：郭女士——郭女士用汉字记录下来；译员将其转成拼音。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。\n\n证人：（用英语）抱歉。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 14 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 15 of 52\n\n梅杰先生：没有问题。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生：让我们将一份带有贝茨编号的文件标记为证物8。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。让我们将一份文件标记为证物9。\n\n（证物8已标记供识别。）\n\n译员：谢谢。\n\n卢夫特先生：不客气。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：第46页\n\n问：我向您说明，这又是一份——\n\n（证物9已标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n答：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n问：\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 15 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 16 of 52\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 16 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 17 of 52\n\n第53页 第55页\n\n卢夫特先生：让我们将一份带有贝茨编号的文件标记为证物11。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我无法判断。我看不懂。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道为什么。\n\n（证物11已标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n证人：我不知道。我——我不认识这份文件。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议，并且假定了一项尚未确立的事实。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生：那是什么事实？\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：您的问题中包含多个事实——您的问题中包含所称事实。\n\n第54页 第56页\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：\n\n卢夫特先生：梅杰先生，我们刚刚逐一看过了所有显示该转让的文件，对吗？还能有什么更多的基础？\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。\n\n梅杰先生：您正在使用英文文件询问一名证人，尽管您知道她只阅读普通话，并试图根据这些文件提出问题。因此，我对该问题提出异议；我并未指示证人不要回答。但是，该问题不当，因此我对此提出异议。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我——我看不懂这些文字。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n卢夫特先生：梅杰先生，这些是您当事人的银行记录和对账单。这些文件恰好是英文，而您安排了一名不会说英语的证人，这是您的选择；但我只能使用公司的记录。\n\n梅杰先生：根据贝茨编号，我认为这些不是我们向您提供的文件。\n\n卢夫特先生：您说得对，梅杰先生。有些——\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 17 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 18 of 52\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 18 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 19 of 52\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 19 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 20 of 52\n\n第67页\n\n异议的一个理由。另一个理由是，她是 Greenwich Land（格林尼治土地公司）仅剩的唯一人员，因此如果她不知道，答案显而易见。\n\n但我不能——我是说，我想如果您希望我这样做，如果您是在问我所有异议的依据，我可以尝试回去说明。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：这个（指示），对吗？\n\n卢夫特先生：不。\n\n梅杰先生：我得——已经有很多问题了。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：是的，女士。第一行，然后是第二行。\n\n卢夫特先生：我认为，因为您认为答案显而易见而对问题提出异议，并不是提出异议的依据——\n\n答：是的，我看到了。\n\n梅杰先生：但提出异议的主要理由是，这是一个毫无意义的问题：您在问一名不知道某项事实的证人，她是否知道谁知道该项事实，所以——\n\n卢夫特先生：嗯，她是公司的公司代表；这是一栋公司声称其拥有的房屋。我认为询问他们哪家律师事务所——是谁聘请了代表他们的律师事务所——会知道此事，并没有任何荒唐之处。\n\n所以我们继续。我理解——我知道您提出了异议——\n\n第66页 第68页\n\n梅杰先生：我没有指示证人不要回答，而且我在提出异议时力求极为审慎，以免干扰您的笔录。因此，如我所说，我在提出异议时一直非常谨慎。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。\n\n梅杰先生：或者我应当说，我的异议很“简洁”。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士（吴女士），自从您来到美国后，您住过哪些住所？我的意思是地址。\n\n证人回答说她不知道。我们已经向您提供了书面询问答复，说明郭女士是 Greenwich Land 仅剩的唯一人员，而您接下来的问题是 Greenwich Land 中谁会知道那家律师事务所是谁？\n\n答：我刚来到美国时，我住在市里。\n\n问：“市里”是指曼哈顿吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：在 Sherry Netherland hotel（谢里荷兰酒店）？\n\n译员：Sheraton？\n\n卢夫特先生：Sherry Netherland。\n\n证人：是。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n而我基于若干理由对该问题提出异议，包括您在问一名刚刚表示自己不知道某项事实的证人，她是否知道谁知道她不知道的那项事实。因此，在我看来，该问题没有多大意义。这是一个——\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 20 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 21 of 52\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 21 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 22 of 52\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 22 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 23 of 52\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 23 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 24 of 52\n\n第81页 第83页\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道为什么。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n卢夫特先生：我将一份带有贝茨编号的文件副本标记为证物14。\n\n第82页 第84页\n\n（证物14已标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：如果我请您翻到贝茨编号以42结尾的那一页——\n\n梅杰先生：我认为她不会知道什么是贝茨编号。我可以替她翻页，或者——好的。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n译员：我可以帮助她。\n\n证人：这个（指示），对吗？\n\n梅杰先生：好的，请吧。\n\n证人：我在那一页。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：是的，女士，第三个。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：不，是这个（指示）——\n\n问：哦，抱歉。是的，正确，女士。您是对的。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。证人无法阅读这些文字。\n\n答：好的。我看到了。\n\n证人：我不是——我看不懂。我确实看不懂。\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 24 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 25 of 52\n\n第85页\n\n卢夫特先生：我明白。没问题。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我对此不确定。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您在 Saraca Media（萨拉卡媒体公司）中是否拥有任何所有权权益？\n\n答：没有。我不知道。\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您在 Hudson Diamond New York（哈德逊钻石纽约公司）中是否拥有任何所有权权益？\n\n答：您是什么意思？\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第86页\n\n问：我的问题，我会以两种方式问：您本人，Ngok 女士，在名为 Hudson Diamond New York 的实体中是否拥有任何所有权权益？\n\n答：我不记得。我甚至不明白他所说的是什么意思。\n\n问：Greenwich Land 是否在 Hudson Diamond New York 中拥有任何所有权权益？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Greenwich Land 是否在 Saraca Media 中拥有任何所有权权益？\n\n答：我有点困惑。我确实不知道。\n\n问：没关系。不用担心。\n\n梅杰先生：如果她身体不适，她应当——您可以带她出去。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。我们休息一下。停止记录。在——之前停止记录。\n\n录像员：时间是3:20。停止记录。\n\n（休庭。）\n\n录像员：恢复记录。时间是3:50。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，在我们休庭之前，我曾问您 Greenwich Land 是否在 Saraca Media 中拥有任何所有权权益。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n（证物15已标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生：我们只通过电子邮件发送一份副本，可以吗？\n\n法庭书记员：可以。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。那我们就这样做。\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 25 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 26 of 52\n\n第89页 第91页\n\n梅杰先生：我今天也可以为您打印。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n卢夫特先生：那也很好。我很乐意采用任何一种方式。\n\n证人：我不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。没问题。\n\n梅杰先生：通过电子邮件发给我，我会打印。\n\n卢夫特先生：太好了。好的。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您先前告诉我，Greenwich Land 出售了位于 Connecticut（康涅狄格州）Greenwich（格林尼治）33 Ferncliff Road 的房屋。您记得吗？\n\n答：是的，我记得。\n\n问：好的。您是否——您是否记得那——\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：\n\n答：我记不太清楚。\n\n问：\n\n证人：我不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生：好的。让我们标记为证物16——\n\n第90页 第92页\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：\n\n答：我以前去看过那栋房子。\n\n问：我很感谢——这很有帮助。\n\n（已标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，我的第一个问题很简单：\n\n答：日期在哪里？\n\n答：是我。\n\n问：好的。您何时作出该决定？\n\n答：我记得不太清楚。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n问：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：我不记得。\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 26 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 27 of 52\n\n第93页 第95页\n\n问：\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。您看到了吗——\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：\n\n答：\n\n问：明白。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：好的。我将向您出示一份文件，并请法庭书记员将其标记为证物18，该文件的控制编号为00016119。该编号是整份文件的编号。该文件在向我们提供时没有贝茨编号，因此为清楚起见，我们加上了一个控制编号。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我确实不记得。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。让我向您出示另一份文件。\n\n卢夫特先生：让我们标记为证物19——\n\n法庭书记员：抱歉。\n\n（证物18已标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生：抱歉。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n一份带有控制编号 CTRL00016119 的文件，该文件声称是——\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您认识这份文件吗？\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n第94页 第96页\n\n证人：我——我确定我无法识别它。\n\n（证物19已标记供识别。）\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。那么，让我们看看能否找到您认识的东西。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n梅杰先生：异议。\n\n卢夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n12 答：您能给我指出是哪一页吗？\n\n14 问：当然可以，女士。我可以在我的那份上给您看。\n15 我大约翻到第八页了——\n\n16 LUFT 先生（卢夫特）：\n\n18 证人：您是指这一页\n19 （指示）吗？\n20 由 LUFT 先生（卢夫特）询问：\n21 问：\n22 口译员：抱歉。\n23 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n24 MAJOR 先生（梅杰）：对问话形式提出异议。 24 问：\n25 证人：\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 27 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 28 页，共 52 页\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：好的。您可以先把那个放在一边。\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：那么让我给您看——\n\nLUFT 先生：让我们将其标记为证物 20——\n\n（庭外进行了讨论，\n未记录在速记记录中。）\n\nLUFT 先生：我们将一份控制编号为 CTRL00016119 的\n文件标记为证物 20。\n\n同样，这是一份多页文件，\n向我们提供时未附 Bates 编号，因此我们只是\n将其标在上面。\n15 第 99 页\n\n证人：不，不是。\n\nLUFT 先生：它是——我不想说，\n\n因为我认为您不希望她的社会\n\n保障号码被记入记录，所以——\n\nMAJOR 先生：\n\nLUFT 先生：那么——\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：您是指这一份吗（指示）？\n\n问：是的，女士。\n\n答：\n\n（证物 20 已标记用于识别。）\n\n证人：好的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n您在哪里看到第 7 页？\n\n问 23\nLUFT 先生：完全合理。\n\n证人：我不会——我不说\n\n英语，我不懂英语，而且我——\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\nMAJOR 先生：我可以直接给她翻到那一页吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：我——我已经翻了。她拿着。\n\n证人：我翻到那一页了，但我不知道\n\n那是不是正确的那一份。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：那是正确的——您和我在同一\n\n页上。\n\n答：我不记得了。我真的不\n\n记得。\n\n问：好的。\n\n证人：不，也不是。\n\nLUFT 先生：不，不是——它是 25\n答：是一套公寓？是一套公寓？\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 28 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 29 页，共 52 页\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：好的。我看到了。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：是。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\nMAJOR 先生：异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n请书记员将另一份文件标记为证物 21。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Greenwich Land（格林尼治土地公司）是否有人知道\n\n该问题的答案？\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：您能重复一遍吗？\n\nLUFT 先生：当然。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Greenwich Land 是否有人知道\n\n该问题的答案？\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我也不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的，Ngok 女士（恩戈克），我想要\n\n——这里很热。您感觉怎么样？\n\n您需要休息吗？\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 29 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 30 页，共 52 页\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 30 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 31 页，共 52 页\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 31 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 32 页，共 52 页\n\n第 113 页 第 115 页\n\n1 Ngok 女士，您知道 Bento 1\n证人：我不记得了。\n2 Technologies（本托科技公司）是什么吗？ 2\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n3 答：我不知道。 3\n问：\n4 问：Ngok 女士，您之前告诉我您有一张用于 Greenwich Land——用于一个 Greenwich\n5 Land 账户的借记卡？\n6 \n7 答：我不知道那是什么。它是——我称它为\n8 “消费”卡。我可以用它消费\n9 东西，但我不知道您们怎么称呼它。\n10 问：Ngok 女士，那张卡由 Bento 10\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n11 Technologies 签发，对吗？ 11\n证人：我记不太清楚。\n12 MAJOR 先生：刚刚有人告知我， 12\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n13 翻译中可能遗漏了一部分。 13\n问：好的。\n14 她提到没有\n\n15 从该卡中取钱。\n16 （Song 女士（宋女士）说普通话。）\n17 （书记员要求澄清。）\n18 SONG 女士：所以她刚才提到，她 18\n答：我不知道。\n19 从未尝试用那张 Bento 19\n问：好的。为节省一些\n20 卡取钱，而且她只是用那张卡进行了一些 20\n时间，我将问您一个\n21 消费。因此，关于—— 21\n合并若干这些证物的问题。但如果您需要我\n22 LUFT 先生：您不能记录她的 22\n将其中任何部分拆开，请告诉我。\n23 证言。\n24 口译员：口译员可以\n25 重新翻译吗？\n\n第 114 页 第 116 页\n\n1 LUFT 先生：完全可以。\n2 口译员：是的，这才是正确的方式\n3 来做。\n4 （口译员说普通话。）\n5 证人：好的。我不知道它叫什么。\n6 我称它为“消费”卡。我\n7 可以用它消费——买东西，但我\n8 从未从中提取任何现金。不过我\n9 不知道您们怎么称呼它。\n10 LUFT 先生：好的。大家对此都没有问题吗？\n11 这样可以吗？好的。\n12 由 LUFT 先生询问：\n13 问：好的。\n\n24 口译员：对不起。\n25 MAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 32 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 33 页，共 52 页\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 33 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 34 页，共 52 页\n\n第 121 页 第 123 页\n\n这些文件已载入记录；您目前不必对其采取任何行动 1。\n\nLUFT 先生：我将一份带有——\n\n的文件标记为证物 34，其 Bates 编号为\n5 5\nChris，您想让她把那些全部翻译出来\n\n吗？\n\nMAJOR 先生：我认为不翻译那些全部内容也可以。\n\n作为该系列中的下一份，标记为证物 35， 9\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n10 10\n证人：好的。我只需概述\n\n其内容。\n\nLUFT 先生：您可以只告诉她，我——\n\n口译员：哦，抱歉。请给我一\n\n（庭外进行了讨论， 14\n秒钟。\n\n未记录在速记记录中。） 15\n（口译员说普通话。）\n\nLUFT 先生：证物——我们已将 16\n证人：好的。\n\n另一份文件标记为证物 36。 17\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，我请您翻到——如果\n\n您能取出证物 22 和证物 33。\n\n我们将一份文件标记为证物 37。\n\n口译员：抱歉。\n\nLUFT 先生：请继续。\n\n证人：是。\n\n第 122 页 第 124 页\n\n证物——我们将其标记为证物 38 1\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n我们标记为证物 39。\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我看到了。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n我们标记为证物 40。\n\n我们还标记为证物 41 16\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：哪个日期？\n\nLUFT 先生：\n\n证人：是，我看到了。\n\n我们标记为证物 42 20\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：好的。为节省\n\n时间——\n\n并且标记为证物 43，\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 34 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 35 页，共 52 页\n\n第 125 页 第 127 页\n\n1 1\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，谁有权代表 Greenwich Land 从其在\n\nThe First Bank of Greenwich（格林尼治第一银行）的银行账户\n\n开具支票？\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n口译员：谢谢。 6\n证人：我不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生：谢谢。 7\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n证人：我明白。 8\n问：在——Greenwich Land 的谁必须\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问： 9\n授权从 Greenwich\n\n问： 10\nLand 在 The First Bank of Greenwich 的银行账户开具支票？\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您是否熟悉一家名为\n\nGypsy Mei——M-E——“Mei”拼写为 M-E-I，\n\n答：是。 16\n与您女儿的名字相同——Food Service, LLC（吉普赛梅食品服务有限责任公司）的公司？\n\n问： 17\n答：我不熟悉这个。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。那么让我们将一份\n\nBates 编号为\n\nHR0003000 至 32、标题为“Gypsy Mei Food Services, Hodgson Russ（霍奇森·拉斯），\n\nAttorneys（律师事务所）”的文件标记为\n\n证物 45。\n\n（证物 45 已标记用于识别。）\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n第 126 页 第 128 页\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：好的。我们稍后会回到这些文件，\n\n但现在您可以先把它们放到一边，\n\n稍等一下。\n\n（庭外进行了讨论，\n\n未记录在速记记录中。）\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，我将请书记员\n\n将一份向我们提供的文件标记为证物 44，\n\n该文件由——提供。\n\n该文件的 Bates 编号——或者\n\n控制编号为 CTRL00016116。 24\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n（证物 44 已标记用于识别。）\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 35 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 36 页，共 52 页\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 36 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 37 页，共 52 页\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 37 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 38 页，共 52 页\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 38 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 39 页，共 52 页\n\n案号 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交于 10/16/23 登记于 10/16/23 19:44:19 第 39 页，共 51 页 案号 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交于 10/26/23 登记于 10/26/23 20:46:12 第 40 页，共 52 页\n\n第 145 页 第 147 页\n\n1 MAJOR 先生：可以。 1 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）已辞去其在 Greenwich\n2 由 LUFT 先生询问： 2 Land 的职务。您知晓向法院作出的这些陈述吗？\n3 问：好的。具体而言，书面质询 3\n4 第 6 项要求 Greenwich Land“确认 Greenwich Land 的所有雇员， 4\n5 包括董事和高级职员，以及每一名被确认个人的职责。” 5\n6 \n7 Greenwich Land 在答复中陈述 7\n8 您目前是 Greenwich Land 的唯一成员， 8\n9 且 Greenwich Land 目前没有独立的 9\n10 经理、高级职员或雇员。其后称， 10\n11 Greenwich Land 此前有高级职员。Yvette 11\n12 Wang（王伊薇特）、Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）和 Max Krasner 此前 12\n13 曾担任 Greenwich 13\n14 Land 的副总裁职务。他们所有人均在 2022 年底前辞职？ 14\n15 口译员：2022 年底？ 15\n16 LUFT 先生：是的，文件就是这么写的。 16\n17 由 LUFT 先生询问： 17\n18 问：Ngok 女士，在您签署并核实这些书面质询时， 18\n19 该信息是否正确？ 19\n20 MAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。 20\n21 证人：是。 21\n22 由 LUFT 先生询问： 22\n23 问：好的。那么是否可以说，据 Greenwich Land 所知，Chunguang Han（韩春光）从未 23\n24 担任 Greenwich Land 的经理、高级职员或雇员？ 24\n25 25\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nMAJOR 先生：只是提出异议。我只是想\n\n——没关系，回答已经作出。但是，\n\n因为这涉及法院，我本来要\n\n就特权提出异议。不过她已经作出回答，\n\n且未披露任何受特权保护的通信。因此，请原谅我的\n\n打断，但我只是想说明，\n\n既然我已经打断了，就告诉您原因。\n\n（庭外进行了讨论，\n\n未记录在速记记录中。）\n\n证人：好的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，如果这有助于唤起您的\n\n记忆，请看您书面质询的第 6 页，\n\n在“补充权”项下，其中提到与 Max Krasner 于\n\nNovember 5, 2022 辞职有关的措辞。这是否唤起您的\n\n记忆，即名为 Max Krasner 的人\n\n于 November 5, 2022 从 Greenwich Land 辞职？\n\nMAJOR 先生：对问话形式提出异议。\n\n1 第146页\n\n梅杰先生（Major）：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我从未听说过此事。\n\n拉夫特先生（Luft）询问：\n\n问：好的。也可以说，您的女儿 Mei Guo（郭梅）也从未担任过 Greenwich Land（格林尼治土地公司）的经理、董事、高管或雇员，对吗？\n\n拉夫特先生：抱歉。\n\n口译员：抱歉。\n\n证人：我该怎么说呢？嗯，我不知道。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。那么，当您签署询问书——经认证的——签署询问书以证明答复时，Greenwich Land 是否有任何理由相信 Mei Guo 曾是 Greenwich Land 的雇员、董事或高管，因此应将其列入答复中？\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不确定。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。而且，Ngok 女士（恩戈克），Greenwich Land 已在本案中向法院提交文件，称于 November 5, 2022，一名叫作——的人\n\n第148页\n\n（速记记录之外进行了讨论。）\n\n证人：哪一页？\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：第6页。\n\n答：我看不懂。\n\n问：没关系。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。您是否看到，如果我们查看证物——\n\n口译员：好的。口译员希望更正答复。答复是“我——\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第40页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第41页/共52页\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第41页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第42页/共52页\n\n第153页\n\n（证物47已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生：我将请法庭记录员将其标记为证物48。\n\n（证物48已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生：我将请法庭记录员将其标记为证物49。\n\n（证物49已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生：我将请法庭记录员将证物50标记。\n\n（证物50已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生：\n\n第155页\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。嗯，Ngok 女士，我们就看最近的一份，也就是来自——嗯，让我撤回这个问题。让我找一份可能更显眼一些的。\n\n第156页\n\n而且——嗯，让我先——让我撤回那个问题。\n\n（以下证言被认定为高度机密。）\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n问：\n\n证人：我无法阅读这份文件。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n（记录员要求澄清。）\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n口译员：先生，能否请您再说一遍问题？\n\n拉夫特先生：您可以直接撤回该问题。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：等一下。等一下。我不希望将任何受律师—委托人特权保护的沟通内容记入记录。因此，我只是想——我不知道最好的做法是什么，但我可能想要——而且我完全不知道答复的其余内容是什么，所以我不知道这只是顺带提及，还是——\n\n答：是。\n\n问：\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第42页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第43页/共52页\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第43页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第44页/共52页\n\n第161页\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n第162页\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n答：我不熟悉。\n\n第163页\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您是否熟悉位于 Sherry Netherland（谢里荷兰人）公寓同一栋楼内、名为 Henry Cipriani（亨利·奇普里亚尼）的餐厅？\n\n第164页\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您本人是否曾在位于 Sherry Netherland（谢里荷兰人）酒店同一栋楼内的 Henry Cipriani [原文如此] 用餐？\n\n答：是的，我曾在同一——那家餐厅用过餐，但那是在多年前，我刚到美国时，大概是在2017年。\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第44页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第45页/共52页\n\n第165页\n\n证人：我刚于2017年来到美国时，只在那家餐厅吃过早餐。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：但他是代表 Greenwich Land 开设银行账户并签署文件的人，对吗？\n\n梅杰先生：仅对问题形式提出异议。抱歉。\n\n证人：我不知道此事。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n（证物51已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n第166页\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：好的。让我向您出示——让我们将一份文件标记为证物52。\n\n（证物52已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n问题形式。\n\n证人：\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不记得。\n\n拉夫特先生：好的。让我们标记为——\n\n梅杰先生：我能否就证物52问一个问题？\n\n第167页\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第45页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第46页/共52页\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第46页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第47页/共52页\n\n第173页\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：如果——请告诉我——\n\n答：我不知道是谁。\n\n口译员：抱歉。\n\n拉夫特先生：好的。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您是否熟悉一名叫作 Dinggang Wang（王定刚）的人？\n\n口译员：先生，能否请您拼写一下该姓名？\n\n拉夫特先生：D-I-N-G-G-A-N-G，空格，Wang，W-A-N-G。\n\n证人：我不熟悉。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。Ngok 女士，我将请标记为证物——我们到哪了，56？——56份题为“住宅租赁续约协议”的文件，该协议由 Greenwich Land, LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）与 Wang Dinggang（王定刚）签订。\n\n（证物56已标记为供识别用。）\n\n答：我不知道。我不知道为什么。\n\n第174页\n\n（记录之外进行了讨论。）\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否曾授权 Greenwich Land 将 33 Ferncliff 出租给一名叫作 Dinggang Wang 的男子？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：Ngok 女士，我将请法庭记录员将一份题为“住宅租赁续约豁免协议”的文件副本标记为证物57，该协议同样由 Greenwich Land, LLC 与 Wang Dinggang 先生签订，日期为 October 9, 2020。\n\n（证物57已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，是谁授权 Greenwich Land 与 Dinggang Wang 先生签订这项协议，涉及他及其家人居住在 33 Ferncliff？\n\n梅杰先生：异议。\n\n证人：我不理解您的问题。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：我不确定。\n\n第175页\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n拉夫特先生：好的。让我们将一份文件标记为证物55。\n\n（证物55已标记为供识别用。）\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n第176页\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我确实不知道为什么。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：我不确定。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：好的。Ngok 女士，Greenwich Land 的业务是否包括媒体咨询？\n\n问：您是 Greenwich Land 的唯一成员。您是否知悉 Greenwich Land 从事的任何媒体业务——\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第47页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第48页/共52页\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第48页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第49页/共52页\n\n第181页\n\n口译员：口译员可以澄清一下吗？\n\n拉夫特先生：让我们将一份题为“零售燃料配送及服务协议”的文件标记为证物59，该文件日期为 February 6, 2020，以 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）之名，地址为 30 Ferncliff Road [原文如此]。\n\n（证物59已标记为供识别用。）\n\n（速记记录之外进行了讨论。）\n\n拉夫特先生：各位，我必须要回一份副本。抱歉。谢谢。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，这是一份燃料配送协议——\n\n梅杰先生：等一下。等等。您刚才拿走了我们的副本，并且——\n\n拉夫特先生：我没有拿走你们的副本。你们有两名律师；我给了你们一份。你们仍有一份，对吗？\n\n梅杰先生：没有，我们两份都还回去了。您说那是错误的文件。\n\n拉夫特先生：不，我只是需要一份副本。\n\n梅杰先生：啊，好的。\n\n第182页\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，这是一份日期为 February 6, 2020 的零售燃料配送及服务协议，地址为 33 Ferncliff Road, Cos Cob, Connecticut，以 Ho Wan Kwok 之名。\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：33 Ferncliff Road 是 Greenwich Land 所拥有的房屋，对吗？而 Ho Wan Kwok 是您丈夫的姓名，对吗？\n\n拉夫特先生：她刚刚回答了什么，Echo（埃科）。你得翻译。\n\n梅杰先生：等等。我有——这是一个复合问题。您问她该文件是什么——\n\n拉夫特先生：她已经回答了，但没有被翻译，克里斯（Chris）。\n\n梅杰先生：不，但您一次问了两个问题。\n\n拉夫特先生：不，克里斯，只是没有被翻译。她回答了。\n\n梅杰先生：我正在看实时记录，而且我听到您——\n\n拉夫特先生：不管怎么——因为 Echo 没有翻译，克里斯。\n\n第183页\n\n口译员：我当时仍在翻译第一个问题；您又问了第二个问题。口译员能否重新翻译？\n\n拉夫特先生：然后她回答了该问题，对吗？\n\n口译员：是，她回答了该问题。她说“是”。\n\n拉夫特先生：是回答我的第一个问题，然后——\n\n梅杰先生：我不知道——我不同意。\n\n拉夫特先生：你不能不同意。她是口译员，克里斯。她正告诉你发生了什么。\n\n梅杰先生：我说的是问题的顺序。\n\n拉夫特先生：你会说中文吗？\n\n梅杰先生：首先，那不是一种语言，但是——而且你一整天都这么说，不过——\n\n拉夫特先生：不是吗？我想你指的是两种方言，但显然存在一种中文语言，而普通话通常被称为“中文”。\n\n第184页\n\n别浪费时间了。\n\n梅杰先生：等一下。\n\n拉夫特先生：克里斯，我知道还有十分钟；我明白你突然试图用所有这些——拖延时间。\n\n梅杰先生：我并非试图拖延时间。您提出了一个复合问题；我对该复合问题提出异议。\n\n拉夫特先生：好的。\n\n口译员女士，您能否解释一下发生了什么？\n\n（记录员要求澄清。）\n\n口译员：能否——口译员当时仍在翻译第一个问题，而郭女士实际上在我翻译这些问题时回答了第二个问题。口译员能否重新翻译这两个问题？\n\n拉夫特先生：不如我直接撤回它，然后我们很快进行？\n\n口译员：好的，那么。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：证物59写的是 33 Ferncliff Road，该房屋您此前告诉我由 Greenwich Land 所拥有，账户上的名称为——是 Ho——\n\n案件 23-05005 文件 85-1 提交 10/16/23 登记 10/16/23 19:44:19 第49页/共51页 案件 22-50073 文件 2292-53 提交 10/26/23 登记 10/26/23 20:46:12 第50页/共52页\n\n第185页\n\nWan Kwok。那是您丈夫，对吗？\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议，包括其为复合问题。\n\n证人：我从未说过 33 Ferncliff Road 的房屋登记在我丈夫名下。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：不，我明白。该文件——但证物59，即燃料协议，称 33 Ferncliff Road 登记在您丈夫名下，对吗？\n\n梅杰先生：对问题形式提出异议。\n\n证人：即使现在，我仍然不知道这份文件是什么意思。\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n问：Ngok 女士，您是否参与——\n\n第187页\n\n拉夫特先生询问：\n\n17 对于支付燃料账单——您是否曾 17 卢夫特律师：Ngo女士，目前我没有其他\n18 参与支付 18 问题。非常感谢您在这个房间里度过了如此漫长而炎热的\n19 33 Ferncliff Road的燃料账单？ 19 一日。\n20 答 您是指燃料？那是什么？ 20\n21 问 是。 21 证人：谢谢大家。对每个人来说，\n22 答 像汽油那样？ 22 今天都是艰难的一天。非常感谢。\n23 问 用于给住宅供暖的燃料。 23\n24 答 然后呢？然后怎样？ 24 梅杰律师：实际上，我只想提出\n25 问 我的问题是，您是否曾 25 两件事——我会非常、非常快。我想要\n\n第186页 第188页\n\n1 参与支付 1 将该视频及其静态图像标记为高度保密，出于安全\n2 33 Ferncliff Road的燃料账单？ 2 原因。\n3 答 我不记得。 3\n4 问 让我向您出示另一份文件。 4 我想保留阅后签字的权利，\n5 卢夫特律师：我们将把 5 尽管这听起来可能很荒谬。我只是不想放弃该权利。我知道这是\n6 第60号证物标记为一份Petro Home Services向 6 一个后勤问题，而且我们很可能不会\n7 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）位于33 Ferncliff Road, Cos Cob, 7 那样做，但我只是想保留该权利。\n8 Connecticut的账单副本。 8\n9 （第60号证物已标记供识别。） 9 卢夫特律师：好的。\n10 卢夫特律师询问： 10 法庭记录员：我能否将订购要求记入记录？\n11 问 Ngo女士，您是否看到这是一份以您 11\n12 丈夫Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）名义开具的33 Ferncliff Road 12 卢夫特律师：当然。我们希望取得速记草稿和\n13 燃料账单副本？ 13 加急本。\n14 梅杰律师：对问题形式提出异议。 14 梅杰律师：我只是请求将\n15 证人：是的，我看到他的姓名，但我 15 笔录标记为“保密”，但我们标记为“高度保密”的部分除外，\n16 不认识本页上的任何其他信息。 16 然后我们会进行审阅。如果有\n17 17 不需要标记的部分，我们届时再处理。\n18 卢夫特律师：让我们暂时停止记录 18\n19 一分钟。 19 卢夫特律师：我将——我不同意\n20 摄像员：现停止记录。时间为8:53。 20 记录中的所有内容均应\n21 21 保密。这将在法院必须\n22 （休庭。） 22 使用本笔录时造成很大的麻烦，包括我们所有人必须\n23 摄像员：现恢复记录。 23\n24 时间为9:01。 24 对其作出的任何使用以及任何提交文件，无论是在\n25 25 法院还是在书状中，均属保密。\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 50 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 51 of 52\n\n第189页 第191页\n\n1 法院还是在书状中，均属保密。我 1 证 明 书\n2 认为没有任何依据，除非我们 2 本人特此证明，本人为Connecticut州的公证人，\n3 已明确指定应标记为 3 经正式委任并具备主持宣誓的资格。\n4 “保密”或“高度保密”的事项，否则 4 本人进一步证明，前述证言笔录中所载的证言人\n5 没有理由说其余记录需要在整个 5 已由本人依法宣誓，随后按前述\n6 证言笔录期间标记为“保密”。 6 证言笔录所示作证；该证言笔录由本人在律师在场的情况下以速记方式\n7 7 记录，并在本人指示下打字誊录，前述内容为该\n8 梅杰律师：我只是说在一段 8 证言的真实准确笔录。\n9 时间内如此，以便让我们审阅 9\n10 笔录，看看是否有任何内容我们希望 10 本人进一步证明，本人既非\n11 标记为“保密”。我们可以不作记录地处理此事。 11 该诉讼任何一方的律师或代理律师，\n12 12 亦非该诉讼任何一方或该诉讼中任何一方律师的雇员，\n13 然后，关于订购要求，我将采取 13 且本人对该案结果不具有利害关系。\n14 一个——我认为常规送达即可。 14\n15 我确信其中包括它，但还需要一份迷你本。 15 特此于2023年9月13日以本人作为公证人的签名及印章为证。\n16 16\n17 法庭记录员：您是否需要速记草稿？ 17\n18 抱歉。 18 _______________________________\n19 梅杰律师：我认为我们不需要速记草稿， 19 Deborah Gentile（黛博拉·金泰尔）\n20 但如果需要，我们会联系您。可以吗？ 20 公证人\n21 21\n22 法庭记录员：当然。 22\n23 证人：谢谢。 23 本人任期届满：\n24 卢夫特律师：谢谢各位。 24 October 31, 2026\n25 宋女士：谢谢。 25\n\n第190页 第192页\n\n1 摄像员：今日证言录取至此结束。 1\n2 我们于晚上9:05停止记录。 2 询问索引\n3 （证言录取于晚上9:05结束。） 3\n4 页码\n直接询问 卢夫特律师\n\n4 5\n5 6\n7 证物索引\n受托人标记供识别的证物\n6 8 第1号证物\n— Ngo女士的证言录取通知\n\n7 9 第2号证物 — Greenwich Land, LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）的证言录取通知\n\n8 10\n9 第3号证物 — Greenwich Land（格林尼治土地）的补充\n\n10 11 询问书答复，\n9/9/23\n11 12\n12 第4号证物 —\n13 14 第5号证物 —\n\n15 15 第6号证物 —\n\n17 17 第7号证物 —\n18 18\n19 第8号证物 —\n20 20 第9号证物 —\n\n21 21 第10号证物 —\n\n23 23 第11号证物 —\n24 24\n25 25\n\nCase 23-05005 Doc 85-1 Filed 10/16/23 Entered 10/16/23 19:44:19 Page 51 of 51 Case 22-50073 Doc 2292-53 Filed 10/26/23 Entered 10/26/23 20:46:12 Page 52 of 52\n\n第193页 第195页\n\n证物索引（续） 1\n\n证物索引（续）\n\n受托人标记供识别的证物\n4 3\n受托人标记供识别的证物\n\n第12号证物 — 第35号证物 —\n\n第13号证物 — 第36号证物 —\n\n第14号证物 — 1\n第37号证物\n第15号证物 —\n第38号证物\n\n10 10\n第16号证物 第39号证物\n第17号证物 —\n12 第40号证物\n\n13 13\n第41号证物 —\n第18号证物 — 15\n第42号证物\n\n第19号证物 16\n\n第20号证物 第43号证物 —\n第21号证物 —\n18 第44号证物 —\n\n19 第45号证物 — “Gypsy Mei Food Services（吉普赛梅食品服务公司）会议记录簿”\n\n第22号证物 — 21\n第46号证物 — 临时限制令及初步禁令，\n\n3/28/23\n\n第23号证物 — 22\n第47号证物 —\n\n23 第48号证物 —\n\n25 25\n\n第194页 第196页\n\n证物索引（续） 1\n\n证物索引（续）\n\n受托人标记供识别的证物\n4 3\n受托人标记供识别的证物\n\n第24号证物 — 第49号证物\n第25号证物 —\n6 第50号证物\n\n第26号证物 —\n8 7\n第51号证物 —\n第52号证物\n\n第27号证物 —\n10 10\n第53号证物 —\n第28号证物\n12 12\n第54号证物\n第29号证物 —\n13\n第55号证物 —\n\n第56号证物 — 王先生的住宅租约续签\n协议\n第31号证物\n18 16\n第57号证物 — 王先生的住宅租约续签豁免\n协议，10/9/20\n\n第58号证物\n\n第32号证物 — 19\n21 第59号证物 — 零售燃料交付及服务\n协议，2/6/20\n第33号证物 — 第60号证物 — Petro Home Services账单，33\nFerncliff Road\n\n第34号证物 22\n（记录员注：证物附于原件。）\n\n25 24\n\nA 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