{"id":"court_ctb_250_17","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":250,"sub_number":17,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2022-04-22","title":"EXHIBIT PAX 17 Transcript of the 341 Meeting of Creditors, dated March 21, 2022","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"# **EXHIBIT PAX 17**\n\nTranscript of the 341 Meeting of Creditors, dated March 21, 2022\n\nIn Re UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT \\* Chapter 11 \\* \\* HO WAN KWOK, \\* Case 22-50073(JAM) \\* Debtor. \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* TRANSCRIPT OF TELEPHONIC 341 MEETING OF CREDITORS MARCH 21, 2022 Electronically Recorded by the Office of the United States Trustee Transcript Prepared By: Christine Fiore, CERT Fiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc. 4 Research Drive, Suite 402 Shelton, CT 06484 (203) 929-9992\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 APPEARANCES: For the Debtor: For the U.S. Trustee: For Logan Cheng, Creditor: For Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund, LP, Creditors: For Bruno Wu, Weican Meng and Rui Ma, Creditors: For Xiaodan Wang, Rong Zhang and Chong Shen Raphanella, Creditors: WILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ. BEN SILVERBERG, ESQ. URI PINELO, ESQ. Brown Rudnick, LLP Seven Times Square New York, NY 10036 HOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ. Office of the U.S. Trustee 150 State Street New Haven, CT 06510 JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ. Randazza Legal Group 100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor Hartford, CT 06103 DAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ. O'Melveny & Myers, LLP 1625 I Street NW Washington, DC 20006 STUART SARNOFF, ESQ. LAURA ARONSSON, ESQ. CRAIG McALLISTER, ESQ. MAKENZIE RUSSO STEVEN WARREN O'Melveny & Myers, LLP Times Square Tower 7 Times Square New York, NY 10036 KAREN WARSHAUER McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter One State Street Hartford, CT 06103 LILLIAN GRINNELL, ESQ. Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz 270 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10016\n\n2\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\nAPPEARANCES: (Cont'd)\n\nFor Samuel Nunberg, Creditor:\n\nFor the Sherry Netherland, Creditor: AMY ZAMIR, ESQ. Nesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP 363 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10001\n\n3\n\nEMILY KUZNICK, ESQ. Stroock, Stroock and Lavan 180 Maiden Lane New York, NY 10038\n\n#### Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 5 of\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n4\n\n| 1 | I'm going to repeat myself
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | from the beginning here because I
want to make sure |\n| 3 | it's all on the record and I
apologize. |\n| 4 | I'm going to basically start this meeting |\n| 5 | over again and we're going to go very quickly and |\n| 6 | was just about to
then we'll come back to where I |\n| 7 | go. |\n| 8 | Today is Monday,
March 21st, 2022 and we |\n| 9 | are gathered for the Section 341 meeting in the |\n| 10 | also known as Wengui
Chapter 11 case of Ho Wan Kwok, |\n| 11 | and Miles Kwok.
Gwo |\n| 12 | trial
My name is Holley Claiborn and I'm a |\n| 13 | attorney in the Office of the United States Trustee |\n| 14 | will be conducting today's meeting.
and I |\n| 15 | am recording this meeting and also we
I |\n| 16 | have the presence of an interpreter on the line |\n| 17 | whose name is Bin, B-I-N. |\n| 18 | have it on the record,
And so that I
I'm |\n| 19 | third time about her oath.
going to ask Bin a |\n| 20 | (The interpreter is sworn.) |\n| 21 | For purposes of speeding this up on the |\n| 22 | record we have appearances today by Jay Wolman,
on |\n| 23 | behalf of Logan Cheng.
have the appearance of
We |\n| 24 | Stuart Sarnoff, Mia Gonzalez,
David Harbach,
Laura |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 6 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
5 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | all
Aronsson, Craig McAllister and Mackenzie Russo, |\n| 2 | on behalf of Pacific Alliance.
And for creditors |\n| 3 | and Weican Meng,
we have Karen
Rui Ma,
Bruno Wu |\n| 4 | a paralegal at McElroy.
Warshauer, |\n| 5 | cannot get all
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 6 | those names at once. |\n| 7 | Bin, did you translate all
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 8 | of the names for the Pacific Alliance? |\n| 9 | The names actually just
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 10 | translation.
repeat of the pronunciation.
a
No |\n| 11 | Thank you.
Whoever does
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 12 | not have their phone on mute,
could you please put |\n| 13 | it on mute?
Thank you. |\n| 14 | The other appearances, Karen
Okay. |\n| 15 | and she represents Bruno
Warshauer,
from McElroy, |\n| 16 | Weican Meng and Rui Ma.
Wu, |\n| 17 | are there
go back to the debtor,
Before I |\n| 18 | any other creditors on the line who have counsel |\n| 19 | who'd like to put their appearance on the record? |\n| 20 | Hi --
MS.
GRINNELL: |\n| 21 | Please wait for the
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 22 | translation. |\n| 23 | (Indiscernible)
I'm from
MS.
GRINNELL: |\n| 24 | the firm Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz and |\n| 25 | we represent -- |\n\n#### Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 7 of\n\n83\n\ncannot hear you clearly.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n| INTERPRETER:
THE | Sorry. | The interpreter |\n|---------------------|--------|--------------------------|\n| | | |\n| MS.
GRINNELL: | | I'm sorry. My connection |\n\n6\n\n4 5 6 has been kind of off. Can you hear me now? THE INTERPRETER: Yes. MS. GRINNELL: Okay. I'll repeat what I\n\nsaid.\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\n7\n\n8\n\n9\n\n10\n\n11\n\n25\n\nMy name is Lillian Grinnell. I'm an attorney at Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz and we represent the creditors, Rong Zhang, Xiaodan Wang, and Chong Sheen Raphanella.\n\n12 13 THE INTERPRETER: The names you pronounced I could not get them.\n\n14 15 16 17 MS. GRINNELL: I'll spell them. I'll start with the creditor's names. The creditor's names are Rong Zhang, and that's -- the first name is Rong, R-O-N-G, Z-H-A-N-G.\n\n18 19 20 The second creditor's name is Xiaodan Wang. And her first name is spelled X-I-A-O-O-A-N. And her last name is spelled W-A-N-G.\n\n21 22 23 24 And then the third creditor, Chong Shen Raphanella. And her first name is C-H-O-N-G. And then the second name is S-H-E-N. And the third name is R-A-P-H-A-N-E-L-L-A.\n\nTHE INTERPRETER: I only got Chong Shen\n\n## Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 8 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
7 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | and R-A-P-H-A-L. |\n| 2 | I'm sorry.
Are you asking
MS.
GRINNELL: |\n| 3 | to spell the third name again?
me |\n| 4 | (No response.) |\n| 5 | My connection is
apologize.
Sorry?
I |\n| 6 | to spell any of the names
very bad.
you need me
Do |\n| 7 | again? |\n| 8 | think I'm okay.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
I |\n| 9 | repeat it to Mr.
Kwok already. |\n| 10 | Okay.
MS.
GRINNELL: |\n| 11 | Are there any other
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 12 | creditors on the line or parties on the line? |\n| 13 | This is Amy Zamir,
from
MS.
ZAMIR: |\n| 14 | My last
I'm spell that.
Nessenoff & Miltenberg. |\n| 15 | name is Zamir,
Nessenoff is N-E-S-S-E-N
Z-A-M-I-R. |\n| 16 | and Miltenberg, M-I-L-T-E-N-B-E-R-G.
O-F-F,
And we |\n| 17 | represent creditor Sam Nunberg, N-U-N-B-E-R-G. |\n| 18 | Is there anyone else who
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 19 | would like to put their appearance on the record. |\n| 20 | This is Emily Kuznick,
Yes.
MS.
KUZNICK: |\n| 21 | of
and then Kuznick,
E-M-I-L-Y,
K-U-Z-N-I-C-K, |\n| 22 | that's S-T-R-O-O-C-K,
Stroock, Stroock and Lavan, |\n| 23 | and Stroock, and Lavan is L-A-V-A-N. And we |\n| 24 | represent the Sherry Netherland.
And for Sherry |\n| 25 | Netherland it's S-H-E-R-R-Y,
and then Netherland, N |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 9 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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8 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | E-T-H-E-R-L-A-N-D. |\n| 2 | I'm clarifying what he
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 3 | said. |\n| 4 | (Interpretation.) |\n| 5 | Let me continue
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 6 | clarifying what was yelled out just now. |\n| 7 | (Interpretation.) |\n| 8 | I'm sorry.
The
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 9 | interpreter cannot get that.
Nobody picked up my |\n| 10 | don't know.
question so I |\n| 11 | Bin.
Thank you,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 12 | Any other creditors or parties in interest |\n| 13 | before I
go back to the debtor? |\n| 14 | This is David Harbach,
from
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 15 | just
representing PACS.
O'Melveny and Myers,
I |\n| 16 | wanted to clarify that is it correct that we have |\n| 17 | not gotten an answer from the debtor about what he |\n| 18 | just said? |\n| 19 | have not heard any interpretation of it
I |\n| 20 | understand the interpreter was attempting to
and I |\n| 21 | clarify what was said but the debtor did not |\n| 22 | and we'd like to know
as far as I
heard,
respond, |\n| 23 | what he said. |\n| 24 | I'll
This is Bill Baldiga.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 25 | accept your apologies.
That was not the debtor, but |\n\n#### Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 10 of\n\n83\n\n| 9 | |\n|---|--|\n| | |\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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9 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | accept your apology for that inference.
I |\n| 2 | I'm going to come back to
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 3 | that a
in minute. |\n| 4 | ( Indiscernible)
Okay.
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 5 | should apologize, but can we inquire then
whether I |\n| 6 | The interpreter was
who made the outburst? |\n| 7 | attempting to clarify and so are we.
Forgive the |\n| 8 | inference. |\n| 9 | interpreted what
So I
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 10 | Just now someone burst out with a
you requested. |\n| 11 | few words --
The interpreter did
with sentences. |\n| 12 | So the interpreter tried
not get those sentences. |\n| 13 | to clarify who talked and what those words are, but |\n| 14 | nobody picked up the interpreter's question. |\n| 15 | This is Holley Claiborn.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 16 | Could the person who spoke up please answer the |\n| 17 | interpreter's question and identify themselves? |\n| 18 | Sorry about that.
Just
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 19 | now it was it was just a video tape.
It was not |\n| 20 | someone talked. |\n| 21 | This is Bill Baldiga.
Mr.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 22 | Kwok --
Kwok heard during that outburst was
what Mr. |\n| 23 | someone playing back an audio of his voice and we do |\n| 24 | want to know everyone who is on the phone and we |\n| 25 | would like identified who played that audio clip. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 11 of 83\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 10 Thank you. UNIDENTIFIED: Sorry, it was me. I played Mr. Kwok's video just now. MS. CLAIBORN: Could the person who just spoke identify themselves? THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter needs to clarify. (Interpreter inquires) MR. YAN: My name is Xingyu Yan. I'm one of Mr. Kwok's creditors. MR. BALDIGA: Can we have the spelling, please? Could we obtain the spelling of that name please? MR. YAN: The spelling is X, for Xray, I, as India, N, as in Nancy, Gas in George, Yasin Yes, U as in umbrella. in Nancy. Last name Y, A as in apple, N as MR. BALDIGA: Ms. Claiborn, Bill Baldiga again. Could you please exhaust the names of everyone else on the line, just so we know who is participating, whether or not they intend to ask questions? MS. CLAIBORN: I'm trying to get there. That was my -- okay. Is anyone else on the line? If you are on\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 12 of\n\n83\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\nG-R-E-I-F.\n\n(indiscernible).\n\nMyers.\n\nRudnick.\n\n4\n\n5\n\n6\n\n7\n\n8\n\n9\n\n10\n\n11\n\n12\n\n13\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 11 the line, and you could please identify yourself? MR. GREIF: Hello. My name is Steven Greif, MR. WARREN: Steven Warren of O'Melveny & MR. JALBERT: Craig Jalbert of INDISCERNIBLE: (Indiscernible) from Robinson and Cole. INDISCERNIBLE: (Indiscernible) from Stroock, Stroock and Lavan. MS. DEERING: Alexandra Deering of Brown\n\n14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLAIBORN: This is Holley Claiborn again. Thank you all for putting your appearances on the record. And if I could go back to debtor's camp, Mr. Baldiga, could you put your appearance on the record and note everybody who's with you at your location. MR. BALDIGA: Yes. We're in our -- I'm sorry. I missed what was just said. MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Baldiga, could you go ahead, please? Mr. Baldiga, could you go ahead, please? MR. BALDIGA: Yes. Thank you. We are at\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 13 of\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\n4\n\n5\n\n6\n\n7\n\n8\n\n9\n\n10\n\n11\n\n12\n\n13\n\n14\n\n15\n\n16\n\n17\n\n18\n\n19\n\n20\n\n21\n\n22\n\n23\n\n24\n\n| 83 | | | | |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|\n| March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
12 | | | | |\n| our offices at 7 Times Square in New York. | | | | |\n| And can you please state the name,
Mr. | | | | |\n| Baldiga, of who is present with you? | | | | |\n| response.)
(No | | | | |\n| Baldiga, could you please
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN: | | | | |\n| state the names of the people who are with you? | | | | |\n| Ben Silverberg and Uri Pinelo.
MR.
BALDIGA: | | | | |\n| believe
Other names I
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN: | | | | |\n| heard earlier are Una Menye
(ph), who is an
I | | | | |\n| interpreter, and Attorney Aaron Mitchell. | | | | |\n| That's right.
Yes.
BALDIGA:
MR. | | | | |\n| I'm going to swear in
Okay.
Ms.
CLAIBORN: | | | | |\n| would ask everyone to put their
Kwok and I
Mr. | | | | |\n| phones on mute. | | | | |\n| (The debtor is sworn.) | | | | |\n| today's
as you know,
Mr.
Kwok,
MS.
CLAIBORN: | | | | |\n| meeting is being recorded and there's an | | | | |\n| interpreter, Bin, who's interpreting my questions | | | | |\n| and the comments of others and will also be | | | | |\n| interpreting your answers. | | | | |\n| Please wait to answer any questions you are | | | | |\n| asked today until the official interpreter has made | | | | |\n| full translation.
a | | | | |\n| ask that you do not communicate with your
I | | | | |\n\n25 own interpreter who is present with you before you\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 14 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
13 | | | | | |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|--|\n| 1 | will
answer the questions,
and should you do so,
I | | | | | |\n| 2 | ask the official interpreter to translate that | | | | | |\n| 3 | discussion. | | | | | |\n| 4 | Could you please
Sorry.
INTERPRETER:
THE | | | | | |\n| 5 | repeat? | | | | | |\n| 6 | ask that you do
Mr.
Kwok,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I | | | | | |\n| 7 | not communicate with your own interpreter who is | | | | | |\n| 8 | with you today before you answer my questions or the | | | | | |\n| 9 | questions of others. | | | | | |\n| 10 | He could not use his own
INTERPRETER:
THE | | | | | |\n| 11 | interpreter. | | | | | |\n| 12 | could you translate that
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN: | | | | | |\n| 13 | instruction for Mr.
Kwok. | | | | | |\n| 14 | This is Bill Baldiga.
BALDIGA:
MR. | | | | | |\n| 15 | To the extent | | | | | |\n| 16 | Baldiga, could you just
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN: | | | | | |\n| 17 | wait for Bin to interpret that instruction for me | | | | | |\n| 18 | and then you can make your comment. | | | | | |\n| 19 | This is Bill
things.
BALDIGA:
Two
MR. | | | | | |\n| 20 | Baldiga. | | | | | |\n| 21 | you've become quite muffled again
Holley, | | | | | |\n| 22 | to the extent that Mr.
Kwok needs to
and second, | | | | | |\n| 23 | talk to his interpreter to better understand what | | | | | |\n| 24 | was said or the interpreter in the room with us | | | | | |\n| 25 | believes that there was a misinterpretation, we will | | | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 15 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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14 | | | | | |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|--|\n| 1 | tell you that so that you do know if there is a | | | | | |\n| 2 | further conversation. | | | | | |\n| 3 | Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN: | | | | | |\n| 4 | Sworn
HO WAN KWOK, | | | | | |\n| 5 | EXAMINATION BY MS.
CLAIBORN: | | | | | |\n| 6 | can you please explain the reason
Mr.
Kwok,
Q | | | | | |\n| 7 | to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy case? | | | | | |\n| 8 | Sorry?
UNIDENTIFIED: | | | | | |\n| 9 | please explain the reasons behind
Mr.
Kwok,
Q | | | | | |\n| 10 | your decision to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy | | | | | |\n| 11 | case? | | | | | |\n| 12 | This is David Harbach.
We're
HARBACH:
MR. | | | | | |\n| 13 | having trouble understanding you again. | | | | | |\n| 14 | apologize.
My phone system
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I | | | | | |\n| 15 | is new and I'm yelling into the phone, but unless I | | | | | |\n| 16 | put it on speaker phone I
won't be able to record | | | | | |\n| 17 | it.
Does yelling improve your ability to hear me? | | | | | |\n| 18 | It's very difficult to
MR.
HARBACH: | | | | | |\n| 19 | understand your questions because they're so | | | | | |\n| 20 | it's diction,
It's not volume,
if I
muffled.
may be | | | | | |\n| 21 | blunt. | | | | | |\n| 22 | will try to speak slowly.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I | | | | | |\n| 23 | Is that any better? | | | | | |\n| 24 | It seems to be,
yes.
Thank
BALDIGA:
MR. | | | | | |\n| 25 | you. | | | | | |\n\n#### Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 16 of\n\n83\n\n15\n\n| | March 21, 2022
15
Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | |\n| 2 | We're going to try this again.
Okay.
Q |\n| 3 | can you please explain your
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 4 | reasons behind filing your Chapter 11 bankruptcy |\n| 5 | case? |\n| 6 | don't know what
cannot understand you.
I
I
A |\n| 7 | you mean by filing Chapter 11 of bank. |\n| 8 | why did you file your bankruptcy
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 9 | case? |\n| 10 | The interpreter would like
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 11 | to clarify the word he said. |\n| 12 | I'm not filing any bankruptcy certificate.
A |\n| 13 | Let me try again.
Q |\n| 14 | you are a
Chapter 11 debtor in a
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 15 | bankruptcy proceeding here in the United States. |\n| 16 | what were the reasons behind your
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 17 | decision to file your bankruptcy case? |\n| 18 | So you're asking me why I'm applying for
A |\n| 19 | right?
bankruptcy, |\n| 20 | Yes.
Q |\n| 21 | filed (indiscernible)
in mid-February in
I
A |\n| 22 | my second trial, or second appearance in Southern |\n| 23 | District. I
fine of \\$120 million and I
was given a |\n| 24 | was ordered to pay it off within five days.
So |\n| 25 | without any choices --
filed bankruptcy
so I |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 17 of\n\n83\n\n| r | ﺎ | |\n|---|---|--|\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | application at Connecticut state and Chapter 11. |\n| 2 | when was the first time you spoke
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 3 | lawyer about filing a bankruptcy case?
with a |\n| 4 | Just the date,
or the
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 5 | approximate date.
Not the substance of the advice. |\n| 6 | Approximately 12,
13.
A |\n| 7 | Can you please provide the month and the
Q |\n| 8 | year? |\n| 9 | It was February the 12th of 2002.
A |\n| 10 | Did you say 2002 or 2021?
Q |\n| 11 | February the 12th or 13.
2022.
A |\n| 12 | I'd ask you to take a
look at your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 13 | bankruptcy petition that was filed with the |\n| 14 | bankruptcy court at ECF 1. |\n| 15 | a handwritten signature appears on
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 16 | that petition. Is that your handwritten signature? |\n| 17 | I'll ask the lawyer to get
second.
Hold on a
A |\n| 18 | it and I'll take
look.
a |\n| 19 | This is Bill Baldiga.
have
MR.
BALDIGA:
We |\n| 20 | with us the petition with the electronic signature |\n| 21 | as filed.
don't have in the conference room me
I |\n| 22 | If you'd like us to get
the handwritten signature. |\n| 23 | it, we could get it at a break. |\n| 24 | look at the
can you take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 25 | document that your counsel has, which is the |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 18 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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17 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | bankruptcy petition with your printed name on it and |\n| 2 | confirm that you signed that document prior to it |\n| 3 | being filed with the court? |\n| 4 | Please hold on one second.
take a
Let me
A |\n| 5 | look. |\n| 6 | hear the translation,
Could I
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 7 | want to hear the translation of what you
please.
I |\n| 8 | said. |\n| 9 | (No response.) |\n| 10 | Is the translator still with
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 11 | us? |\n| 12 | are you on the line?
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 13 | (No response.) |\n| 14 | are you there?
Bin, |\n| 15 | (No response.) |\n| 16 | It seems that Bin has left us so I'm going |\n| 17 | to put everybody on hold and I'm going to try to |\n| 18 | reconnect her.
apologize.
I |\n| 19 | That's okay.
Could we take a
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 20 | short break? |\n| 21 | It's going to take me
few
MS.
CLAIBORN:
a |\n| 22 | minutes to do that, so go ahead and we'll reconvene |\n| 23 | can get her on the line.
as soon as I |\n| 24 | Thank you very much.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 25 | (Off the record.) |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 19 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | are back on the record
MS.
CLAIBORN:
We |\n| 2 | after a
short break due to some technical |\n| 3 | difficulties. |\n| 4 | BY MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 5 | The pending question was asking Mr.
Kwok to
Q |\n| 6 | confirm that he signed the bankruptcy petition that |\n| 7 | was filed at ECF 1. |\n| 8 | have finished looking at it, yes.
I
A |\n| 9 | did you read and understand the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 10 | bankruptcy petition and information it contains |\n| 11 | before you signed it? |\n| 12 | understood.
Yes,
I
A |\n| 13 | was the petition translated into
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 14 | another language for you before you signed it? |\n| 15 | it was translated into Chinese for me.
Yes,
A |\n| 16 | translated the bankruptcy petition?
Who
Q |\n| 17 | My lawyer did.
A |\n| 18 | don't think that Mr.
Baldiga
Mr.
Kwok,
I
Q |\n| 19 | speaks Chinese. |\n| 20 | So who was the company or the person that |\n| 21 | you used to translate the petition for you? |\n| 22 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 23 | is the information in your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 24 | bankruptcy petition true and accurate to the best of |\n| 25 | your knowledge? |\n\n## Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 20 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | it is accurate and true.
Yes,
A |\n| 2 | look at the
can you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 3 | declaration and about individual debtor's schedules |\n| 4 | that was filed with the court docket at ECF No.
79. |\n| 5 | Sorry, could you please
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 6 | repeat? |\n| 7 | look at the
can you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 8 | declaration about an individual debtor's schedules |\n| 9 | that was filed with the bankruptcy court at ECF 79. |\n| 10 | a handwritten signature appears on
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 11 | that declaration.
Is that your handwritten |\n| 12 | signature? |\n| 13 | it was signed
The document in my hand.
Yes,
A |\n| 14 | by me. |\n| 15 | And are you looking at ECF no.
79?
Q |\n| 16 | Yes.
A |\n| 17 | was the declaration that was filed
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 18 | at ECF 79 translated into another language for you |\n| 19 | before you signed it? |\n| 20 | Yes.
A |\n| 21 | What language was it translated into?
Q |\n| 22 | Chinese.
A |\n| 23 | do you know who did the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 24 | translation of ECF no.
79? |\n| 25 | Yes.
A |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 21 of\n\n83\n\n| | o n | |\n|--|-----|--|\n\n| | March 21, 2022
20
Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | And who was that person who translated ECF
Q |\n| 2 | 79 into Chinese for you? |\n| 3 | The lawyer.
A |\n| 4 | Can you tell me
the name of the lawyer?
Q |\n| 5 | Bill.
A |\n| 6 | This is Bill Baldiga.
The
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 7 | witness is not distinguishing between what I
did |\n| 8 | personally and what we had commissioned,
to help |\n| 9 | clarify.
do not obviously do translations myself.
I |\n| 10 | Attorney Baldiga, can you
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 11 | tell me
the name of the translation person who |\n| 12 | worked for you or the name of the company? |\n| 13 | I'll have to get that.
don't
BALDIGA:
I
MR. |\n| 14 | have it here. |\n| 15 | did you read and understand the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 16 | declaration filed at ECF no.
79 before you signed |\n| 17 | it? |\n| 18 | understood.
Yes,
A |\n| 19 | look at your
can you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 20 | bankruptcy schedules that were filed with the |\n| 21 | bankruptcy court at ECF 78. |\n| 22 | for purposes of today, when I
And Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 23 | used the term schedules, either collectively or by a |\n| 24 | particular schedule,
I'm referring to the documents |\n| 25 | that were filed at ECF 78. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 22 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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21 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | were your bankruptcy schedules
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 2 | translated for you? |\n| 3 | it was translated.
Yes,
A |\n| 4 | were you involved in preparing the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 5 | responses and the answers to the questions in the |\n| 6 | schedules? |\n| 7 | was.
Yes,
I
A |\n| 8 | did you read and understand all of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 9 | the responses and the answers to the questions in |\n| 10 | the schedules before you signed the declaration that |\n| 11 | was filed at ECF 79. |\n| 12 | Yes.
A |\n| 13 | who assisted you in the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 14 | preparation of your bankruptcy schedules? |\n| 15 | The lawyer.
A |\n| 16 | can you tell me which lawyers
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 17 | helped you? |\n| 18 | Bill.
A |\n| 19 | are you referring to Attorney
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 20 | Baldiga? |\n| 21 | Yes.
A |\n| 22 | did any other lawyers help you in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 23 | preparing your bankruptcy schedules? |\n| 24 | Yes.
A |\n| 25 | Can you please tell me
the names of the
Q |\n\n#### Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 23 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | other lawyers who assisted you? |\n| 2 | don't know how to say their names.
I
I
A |\n| 3 | cannot read English well. |\n| 4 | This is Bill Baldiga. I'm
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 5 | happy to add that, of course, other of our |\n| 6 | colleagues here at Brown Rudnick assisted. But I'm |\n| 7 | Kwok would have details as to who
not sure Mr. |\n| 8 | exactly assisted on what part of it, but you could |\n| 9 | ask,
of course. |\n| 10 | did any lawyer help you prepare
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 11 | your schedules who is not a
lawyer at Brown Rudnick? |\n| 12 | need to talk with
Excuse me.
BALDIGA:
I
MR. |\n| 13 | I'm just going to put you
Kwok for one second.
Mr. |\n| 14 | on mute for one second. |\n| 15 | I'd prefer he answer the
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 16 | question before you have your conference, Mr. |\n| 17 | Baldiga. |\n| 18 | Because the whole bankruptcy application,
A |\n| 19 | the whole stuff was arranged by this lawyer.
But I |\n| 20 | don't know all the other details. |\n| 21 | you want to confer with
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Do |\n| 22 | your client? |\n| 23 | I'll clarify only that Mr.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 24 | Kwok likely does not know of all of the |\n| 25 | conversations that we've had with others, but this |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 24 of\n\n| 83 | |\n|----|--|\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
23 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | is the opportunity to exam him,
so you can obviously |\n| 2 | ask that but we don't want to be misleading. |\n| 3 | aside from Mr.
Baldiga and lawyers
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 4 | at Brown Rudnick did you speak with any other |\n| 5 | lawyers about preparing your bankruptcy schedules? |\n| 6 | Yes.
A |\n| 7 | did you speak with?
Who
Q |\n| 8 | Another law firm called Ari and my personal
A |\n| 9 | (indiscernible).
lawyer |\n| 10 | What is the name of your personal lawyer?
Q |\n| 11 | confer and I
might be
Could I
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 12 | able to answer that question? |\n| 13 | ahead.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Go |\n| 14 | second to
have a
Could I
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 15 | confer, please? |\n| 16 | Yes.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 17 | (Pause.) |\n| 18 | Thank you.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 19 | what is the name of your personal
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 20 | lawyer? |\n| 21 | Guy Petrillo and
(indiscernible).
Ari
A |\n| 22 | understand correctly that you
Kwok do I
Mr.
Q |\n| 23 | discussed your bankruptcy schedules with Guy |\n| 24 | Petrillo and Aaron Mitchell? |\n| 25 | Yes.
A |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 25 of\n\n83\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n| 1 | did you discuss your bankruptcy
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | schedules with any other lawyers that you haven't |\n| 3 | yet told me
about today? |\n| 4 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 5 | are there any errors or omissions
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 6 | in your bankruptcy schedules? |\n| 7 | don't see anything like that now.
I
A |\n| 8 | is everything in your bankruptcy
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 9 | schedules true and accurate to the best of your |\n| 10 | knowledge? |\n| 11 | Yes.
A |\n| 12 | look at
could you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 13 | your bankruptcy statement of financial affairs that |\n| 14 | was filed with the court at ECF no.
77. |\n| 15 | using the numbers at the top of
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 16 | the document can you please go to page 20 where you |\n| 17 | will find a handwritten signature. |\n| 18 | Sorry?
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 19 | Where you will find a handwritten signature.
Q |\n| 20 | is the handwritten signature on
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 21 | page 20 of the statement of financial affairs your |\n| 22 | own? |\n| 23 | Yes.
A |\n| 24 | was the statement of financial
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 25 | affairs translated for you before you signed it? |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 26 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Yes.
A |\n| 2 | were you involved in the preparing
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 3 | of the responses and the answers to the questions in |\n| 4 | the statement of financial affairs? |\n| 5 | Yes.
A |\n| 6 | did you read and understand all
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 7 | the responses and answers to the questions in the |\n| 8 | statement of financial affairs before you signed it? |\n| 9 | understood all.
I
A |\n| 10 | are there any errors or omissions
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 11 | in your statement of financial affairs? |\n| 12 | No.
A |\n| 13 | (No response.) |\n| 14 | would you please answer the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 15 | question? |\n| 16 | I'm sorry.
Could you repeat
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 17 | We didn't get the interpretation here in the
that? |\n| 18 | room for some reason. |\n| 19 | I'll ask the question again.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 20 | Are there any errors or omissions in your
Q |\n| 21 | statement of financial affairs? |\n| 22 | haven't found any errors or
to now I
Up
A |\n| 23 | omissions. |\n| 24 | is everything in your statement of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 25 | financial affairs true and accurate to the best of |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 27 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | your knowledge? |\n| 2 | Yes.
A |\n| 3 | who assisted you in the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 4 | preparation of your statement of financial affairs? |\n| 5 | My lawyer, Bill, and my financial advisor,
A |\n| 6 | Matt. |\n| 7 | are you referring to Attorney
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 8 | Baldiga? |\n| 9 | Yes.
A |\n| 10 | And what is the name --
the full name of the
Q |\n| 11 | financial advisor? |\n| 12 | don't know how to spell it.
I
A |\n| 13 | It's Matt Flynn and colleagues
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 14 | at Verdolino and Lowey.
But you could |\n| 15 | is that correct?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 16 | will say it wrong,
I'm afraid I
will
but I
A |\n| 17 | my lawyer Baldiga to clarify for you.
ask for Mr. |\n| 18 | can move on.
We
Q |\n| 19 | This is Bill Baldiga.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 20 | Kwok simply does not know the full name
Mr. |\n| 21 | of Matt Flynn or Matt's colleagues at Verlino and |\n| 22 | confirm that he is pointing at Matt
but I
Lowey, |\n| 23 | Flynn next to him when he answers the question. |\n| 24 | Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 25 | did anyone else help you with your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 28 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
27 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | statement of financial affairs? |\n| 2 | No.
A |\n| 3 | how long have you lived in the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 4 | United States? |\n| 5 | Nearly seven years.
A |\n| 6 | This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
MR.
I |\n| 7 | didn't get the translation of the answer. |\n| 8 | can you please repeat
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 9 | your translation. |\n| 10 | Nearly 7 years.
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 11 | do you still live at the Taconic
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 12 | Road property in Greenwich? |\n| 13 | Yes.
A |\n| 14 | owns that property in Greenwich?
Who
Q |\n| 15 | My wife.
A |\n| 16 | Your bankruptcy documents refer to a
company
Q |\n| 17 | called Greenwich Land,
owns that company?
LLC.
Who |\n| 18 | My wife.
A |\n| 19 | What is your wife's name?
Q |\n| 20 | (Indiscernible)
A |\n| 21 | could you please
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 22 | translate that for me
into a
spelling? |\n| 23 | just clarify with
Let me
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 24 | can spell
him which Chinese characters are,
then I |\n| 25 | it for you. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 29 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | My wife's name is read at
(indiscernible)
A |\n| 2 | but she's from --
she's from Hong Kong.
Their |\n| 3 | spelling is different from Mainland and I
don't know |\n| 4 | how to spell her name. |\n| 5 | could you just please spell her
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 6 | last name? |\n| 7 | don't know how to spell.
A
I |\n| 8 | Does anyone else have a membership interest
Q |\n| 9 | in Greenwich Land LLC aside from your wife? |\n| 10 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 11 | formed as a
When was Greenwich Land LLC
Q |\n| 12 | company? |\n| 13 | 2020.
A |\n| 14 | have you ever been a member of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 15 | Greenwich Land,
LLC? |\n| 16 | No.
A |\n| 17 | LLC pay for the
How much did Greenwich Land,
Q |\n| 18 | purchase of the Greenwich property on Taconic Road? |\n| 19 | don't know specifically but approximately
I
A |\n| 20 | 5 million. |\n| 21 | And how was that purchase funded?
Q |\n| 22 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 23 | Who would know the answer, Mr.
Kwok?
Q |\n| 24 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 25 | Who would know the answer to that, Mr.
Kwok?
Q |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 30 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | My wife knows.
A |\n| 2 | This is David Harbach and I
HARBACH:
MR. |\n| 3 | apologize for the interruption. |\n| 4 | We missed the translation by the number of |\n| 5 | that Mr.
Kwok said approximately this kind of |\n| 6 | Could that please be repeated?
property would cost. |\n| 7 | Sorry, the interpreter
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 8 | cannot hear you clearly. |\n| 9 | will ask your
Harbach,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 10 | question again. |\n| 11 | Thank you.
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 12 | How much was the Taconic Road property in
Q |\n| 13 | Greenwich purchased for? |\n| 14 | don't know clearly but approximately 4
I
A |\n| 15 | million to 5 million. |\n| 16 | When did Greenwich Land LLC purchase the
Q |\n| 17 | property on Taconic Road in Greenwich? |\n| 18 | don't know the specific time.
I
A |\n| 19 | you know the year?
Do
Q |\n| 20 | don't remember clearly.
2019 or 2020.
I
A |\n| 21 | (Unintelligible background chatter.) |\n| 22 | Could whoever is speaking
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 23 | identify themselves? |\n| 24 | just for one second.
Excuse me
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 25 | I'm just going to
translation issue.
We may have a |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 31 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
30 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | put you on mute for one second. |\n| 2 | (Pause.) |\n| 3 | This is Bill Baldiga.
BALDIGA:
MR.
We |\n| 4 | believe that the answer by Mr.
Kwok to the date was |\n| 5 | 2019 or 2020, but the translator may have said 2020 |\n| 6 | obviously don't know.
without a mention of 2019.
I |\n| 7 | if it matters,
But that's --
you could re-ask to be |\n| 8 | sure that there's clarity around that? |\n| 9 | when did Greenwich Land LLC
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 10 | purchase the Taconic Road property in Greenwich? |\n| 11 | Maybe it's 2020 or maybe it's 2019.
don't
I
A |\n| 12 | remember clearly.
don't know.
I |\n| 13 | did you sign any documents in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 14 | connection with the purchase of the Taconic Road |\n| 15 | Property in Greenwich? |\n| 16 | No.
A |\n| 17 | who lives at the Taconic Road
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 18 | property in Greenwich? |\n| 19 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
Who
THE |\n| 20 | lives at the Taconic Road property in
Who
Q |\n| 21 | Greenwich? |\n| 22 | My wife and I.
Sometimes my daughter who
A |\n| 23 | lives in New York will come back. |\n| 24 | are you currently employed by
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 25 | anyone? |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 32 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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31 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Are you what?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 2 | Are you currently employed by anyone or any
Q |\n| 3 | company? |\n| 4 | No.
A |\n| 5 | have you had any employment or any
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 6 | job with an employer since you started living in the |\n| 7 | United States? |\n| 8 | don't remember clearly.
don't remember
I
I
A |\n| 9 | clearly but approximately in 2015 at Golden Spring I |\n| 10 | got part of my wages
worked for some time.
After I |\n| 11 | left and nothing else.
of salary I |\n| 12 | What work did you do for Golden Spring in
Q |\n| 13 | 2015? |\n| 14 | don't remember quite clearly but it seems
I
A |\n| 15 | it (indiscernible)
was put in charge of
I |\n| 16 | investors. But I
don't
(indiscernible)
developing |\n| 17 | remember clearly. |\n| 18 | when did you stop working for
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 19 | Golden Spring? |\n| 20 | just one second.
Excuse me
MR.
BALDIGA:
I |\n| 21 | just want to make sure we --
for one
excuse me |\n| 22 | just want to make sure we don't
second.
I |\n| 23 | translation.
(indiscernible)
We may. |\n| 24 | (Pause.) |\n| 25 | Our interpreter believes that
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 33 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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32 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | the response was that if he had a
role at Golden |\n| 2 | Springs, it was to develop investment opportunities |\n| 3 | not to develop investors. |\n| 4 | when did you stop working for
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 5 | Golden Spring? |\n| 6 | don't remember clearly.
I
A |\n| 7 | when you say Golden Spring,
are
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 8 | you referring to the company known as Golden Spring, |\n| 9 | Limited?
New York, |\n| 10 | Yes.
A |\n| 11 | did you get paid for any of the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 12 | work that you for Golden Spring? |\n| 13 | Yes.
A |\n| 14 | How much were you paid?
Q |\n| 15 | don't remember
Approximately 200,000.
I
A |\n| 16 | specifically. |\n| 17 | did you receive a paycheck from
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 18 | your work at Golden Spring? |\n| 19 | don't remember clearly
should have but I
I
A |\n| 20 | specifically. |\n| 21 | did you put the money that you
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 22 | were paid by Golden Spring into a bank account? |\n| 23 | should have put it into a
credit card
I
A |\n| 24 | account at Morgan Stanley. |\n| 25 | are you saying that you had a bank
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 34 of\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\nDo you still have a bank account at Morgan\n\nWhen did you close your accounts at Morgan\n\naccount at Morgan Stanley?\n\nYes, once I had.\n\n| Stanley? | | | | |\n|----------|---------------|-----------|--------------------------------------------------|-----|\n| A | Around April, | 2017 when | (indiscernible) | the |\n| | | | Chinese Communist Party stated chasing me
and | |\n\n33\n\n10 11 (indiscernible) closed. me. So all my bank accounts were\n\n12 13 MR. BALDIGA: mistranslation there. Hold on. There's a\n\n14 (Pause.)\n\n1\n\n2\n\nA\n\nQ\n\nStanley?\n\nA\n\nNo.\n\nQ\n\n3\n\n4\n\n5\n\n6\n\n7\n\n8\n\n9\n\n15 16 17 18 MR. BALDIGA: The prior misstatement or mistranslation was just the interpretation of the word. But here the entire crux of the answer was left out. And I'm not sure what happened.\n\n19 20 MS. CLAIBORN: Maybe I can ask a different question. We can try again.\n\n21 22 23 24 25 MR. BALDIGA: No, I think -- no, I think the answer -- I'm concerned with the accuracy of the translation because there was specific mention of names that were simply not produced in the answer. And I'll guess, Bin, did you not hear the mention of\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 35 of\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 PACS and Bruno Wu, or was there a sound issue, or what happened? (Interpreter translates) MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, did you -- MR. KWOK: So Bruno Wu, (indiscernible) 34 Airlines and also Chinese Communist party, they all chased me and wanted to kill me. So I (indiscernible) closed. -- all my bank accounts were PAC, PACS. (Indiscernible) all the people are present today at today's meeting. MR. BALDIGA: Could we have on the record the entirety of what Mr. Kwok said. That's a very small part of what he said, obviously. what he said but that's much shorter. (Interpreter translates) I don't know THE INTERPRETER: him to (indiscernible) The interpreter is asking every two names so that I can maintain the integrity of his meaning. MR. KWOK: At today's meeting there are PAC, one of the major creditors. And also (indiscernible). And also (indiscernible) member. All the money that had to be paid went into an account of the Communist Party under the name of Bruno Wu. So since that day when all the -- all the 83\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 36 of\n\n83\n\n| ર | ਸ | |\n|---|---|--|\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
35 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | representatives of the Chinese Communist party --
so |\n| 2 | lost all my
when the chasing and killing started I |\n| 3 | bank accounts. |\n| 4 | This is David Harbach.
Bin,
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 5 | could you please repeat that? |\n| 6 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 7 | This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
You
MR. |\n| 8 | just translated an answer that began with since that |\n| 9 | Can you please repeat the answer in English?
day. |\n| 10 | Since that day all those
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 11 | people who are representatives of Chinese Communist |\n| 12 | lost all my bank accounts.
Party, since that day I |\n| 13 | BY MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 14 | did you have any money in your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 15 | Morgan Stanley account when you closed it? |\n| 16 | Yes.
A |\n| 17 | And where did you move that money to?
Q |\n| 18 | Nobody bothered looking at me
again since
A |\n| 19 | the account was closed. |\n| 20 | my question is where did you move
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 21 | the money to? |\n| 22 | This is Bill Baldiga --
I'm
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 23 | This is Bill Baldiga.
sorry. |\n| 24 | Could you ask if perhaps you're inferring or |\n| 25 | implying that he moved it as opposed to something |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 37 of\n\n83\n\n| で | C | |\n|---|---|--|\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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36 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Could you ask it in a more neutral
happened to it? |\n| 2 | way and you may get a more full answer? |\n| 3 | did you or someone acting on your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 4 | behalf close the Morgan Stanley account? |\n| 5 | The Communist Party, Bruno Wu
and also the
A |\n| 6 | It was closed by the Communist
(indiscernible) |\n| 7 | party. |\n| 8 | was the Morgan Stanley account in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 9 | the United States? |\n| 10 | Yes.
A |\n| 11 | how does somebody other than you,
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 12 | or someone acting on your behalf close a bank |\n| 13 | account in your name? |\n| 14 | to repeat the
He wants me
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 15 | question, the interpretation of the question. |\n| 16 | (Interpreter translates again.) |\n| 17 | It's the core control of the Communist
A |\n| 18 | Party, like what's happening today.
The same thing. |\n| 19 | ( Indiscernible)
happened on me. |\n| 20 | Claiborn,
could I
suggest
Ms.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 21 | that you ask whether Morgan Stanley closed the |\n| 22 | just so we could be more efficient here?
account, |\n| 23 | did you close the account at
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 24 | Morgan Stanley? |\n| 25 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 38 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
37
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Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 2 | Morgan Stanley? |\n| 3 | still didn't
I'm sorry.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 4 | quite get the question actually. |\n| 5 | did you personally close the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 6 | account at Morgan Stanley? |\n| 7 | No.
A |\n| 8 | did you ask someone at Morgan
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 9 | Stanley to close your account? |\n| 10 | No.
A |\n| 11 | how did you find out that your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 12 | bank account at Morgan Stanley was closed? |\n| 13 | Morgan Stanley notified me
that I
was on the
A |\n| 14 | So it was
wanted list of the Chinese government. |\n| 15 | Bruno Wu who was representing (indiscernible)
name |\n| 16 | on the wanted list so the account was closed. |\n| 17 | when Morgan Stanley closed the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 18 | account, what happened to the money in the account? |\n| 19 | this is David
Claiborn,
Ms.
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 20 | missed the second half of that
I'm sorry. I
Harbach. |\n| 21 | question.
When Morgan Stanley closed the account |\n| 22 | lost you.
and then I |\n| 23 | I'll repeat
my question.
Q |\n| 24 | when Morgan Stanley closed the
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 25 | bank account, what happened to the money in the bank |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 39 of\n\n83\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 38\n\n| 1 | account? |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | The last thing I
Chinese speaking
know was a
A |\n| 3 | telling me
that my account was
person called me |\n| 4 | was under a wanted list of the
closed because I |\n| 5 | And what happened later on I
Chinese government. |\n| 6 | don't know really. |\n| 7 | how much money was in the --
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 8 | This is Bill Baldiga
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 9 | Baldiga?
Yes,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 10 | This is Bill Baldiga. I
think
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 11 | it would be helpful --
don't want to interrupt
I |\n| 12 | if we took a break pretty
your flow of questions, |\n| 13 | But if you want to finish this line, certain
soon. |\n| 14 | do that. |\n| 15 | also want --
there may be some confusion
I |\n| 16 | with the Morgan name and so you may want to ask the |\n| 17 | witness whether it's, in fact, Morgan Stanley or JP |\n| 18 | Morgan Chase. |\n| 19 | think it was JP
remember.
Now I
I
MR.
KWOK: |\n| 20 | just cannot differentiate. I
get
Morgan Chase.
I |\n| 21 | confused with Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan Chase. |\n| 22 | was there only one account at
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 23 | whatever it is you're calling it, be it JP Morgan |\n| 24 | Chase or Morgan Stanley? |\n| 25 | remember is I
have this only one
What I
A |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 40 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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39 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | account. |\n| 2 | How much money was in that account
Q |\n| 3 | approximately when it was closed? |\n| 4 | dollars.
A few thousand U.S.
A |\n| 5 | missed it. Can you repeat
MR.
HARBACH:
I |\n| 6 | the English, please? |\n| 7 | can you please repeat
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 8 | the answer? |\n| 9 | (No response.) |\n| 10 | can you please repeat
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 11 | the answer? |\n| 12 | This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
I
MR. |\n| 13 | missed the translation before the word thousand.
I |\n| 14 | did not hear the number.
Could you please repeat |\n| 15 | it? |\n| 16 | He said a
few thousand
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 17 | dollars.
U.S. |\n| 18 | when you say a
few thousand
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 19 | dollars, can you give me
an idea of what you mean? |\n| 20 | Was it under \\$10,000? |\n| 21 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 22 | few minutes ago you testified
Mr.
Kwok,
a
Q |\n| 23 | that you were working for Golden Spring developing |\n| 24 | investment opportunities.
Can you explain more? |\n| 25 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 41 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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40 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | wasn't finished with the
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 2 | I'll try again.
question.
apologize.
I |\n| 3 | few minutes ago you testified
Mr.
Kwok,
a
Q |\n| 4 | that you were working for Golden Spring developing |\n| 5 | investment opportunities.
Can you please explain |\n| 6 | what you mean by that? |\n| 7 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 8 | When you were working for Golden Spring,
Q |\n| 9 | were you working in the United States? |\n| 10 | Yes.
A |\n| 11 | When you were working with Golden Spring did
Q |\n| 12 | job title?
you have a |\n| 13 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 14 | When you were working for Golden Spring, did
Q |\n| 15 | you do any other work aside from developing |\n| 16 | investment opportunities? |\n| 17 | (indiscernible)
Communist Party of China.
A |\n| 18 | Can you please explain that?
Q |\n| 19 | Since 2015 up till
have been spending
now I
A |\n| 20 | all my time and my energy on collecting information |\n| 21 | about corruption and also human rights issues and |\n| 22 | assassinations of the Community Party.
That's my |\n| 23 | target and my work. |\n| 24 | do you currently have any source
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 25 | of income? |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 42 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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41 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | didn't get you.
Could
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 2 | you please repeat? |\n| 3 | do you currently have a
source of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 4 | income? |\n| 5 | No.
A |\n| 6 | have you filed your tax returns
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 7 | for the year 2021 with the Internal Revenue Service |\n| 8 | in the United States? |\n| 9 | No.
A |\n| 10 | have you filed any tax returns in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 11 | states for the tax year 2021? |\n| 12 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 13 | Have you filed any tax returns for any
Q |\n| 14 | states for the tax year 2021? |\n| 15 | No.
A |\n| 16 | What tax returns will you need to file for
Q |\n| 17 | what states for the year 2021? |\n| 18 | Individual tax file in Connecticut.
A |\n| 19 | Will you be filing a
tax return for the
Q |\n| 20 | State of New York for the year 2021? |\n| 21 | No.
A |\n| 22 | you previously provided to my
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 23 | office tax returns for the years 2019 and 2020.
Are |\n| 24 | those tax returns the same as the tax returns you |\n| 25 | filed with the Internal Revenue Service in the State |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 43 of 83\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 of New York? THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, the date of what? MS. CLAIBORN: 2019 and 2020. THE INTERPRETER: Yes, I got that. What's the later part? A Q A MS. CLAIBORN: The State of New York. No, I filed them in Connecticut, 2020. Mr. Kwok -- I in (indiscernible) for 2019 and 2020. 2020 I filed in Connecticut. MR. BALDIGA: Holley, can we take a break soon? 42 MS. CLAIBORN: Unfortunately, I'm going to suggest that we can't really take a break because we only have the interpreter until 2:00. So if we do, it needs to be a very, very short one. MR. BALDIGA: Okay. Five minutes? MS. CLAIBORN: Yeah, let me just ask one question before we do that. Q Mr. Kwok, please confirm that the tax returns that you provided to the United States Trustee for the year 2020 and 2019 were the same as those filed with the taxing authorities? THE INTERPRETER: The what? Sorry, the last word.\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 44 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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43 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Authorities.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 2 | Yes
Q |\n| 3 | Could you please repeat?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 4 | Sorry. |\n| 5 | can you please confirm that the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 6 | tax returns that you provided to the Office of the |\n| 7 | United States Trustee for the tax years 2019 and |\n| 8 | 2020 are the same as those that you provided to the |\n| 9 | Internal Revenue Service and to the State of |\n| 10 | Connecticut and to the State of New York? |\n| 11 | Yes.
A |\n| 12 | in your 2020 tax return
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 13 | want to clarify.
As you
MR.
BALDIGA:
I |\n| 14 | there were very limited redactions as to
know, |\n| 15 | Social Security number and maybe a
couple of data |\n| 16 | points. I'm not sure if the witness knows what we |\n| 17 | did by way of that data protection, but you do.
I |\n| 18 | just wanted to not leave the record ambiguous in |\n| 19 | that regard. |\n| 20 | Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 21 | your 2020 tax return reports
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 22 | interest income only and no other source of income. |\n| 23 | Did you have any other source of income in 2020? |\n| 24 | No.
A |\n| 25 | I'm going to take a
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 45 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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44 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | It is now 12:30.
would like
very short break.
I |\n| 2 | everyone to reconvene at 12:35. I'm not going to |\n| 3 | I'm just going ask you to all
disconnect the call. |\n| 4 | put your phones on hold. |\n| 5 | We will reconvene at 12:35.
Thank you. |\n| 6 | (Off the record.) |\n| 7 | are back on the
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
We |\n| 8 | record after a
short break. |\n| 9 | would like to talk to you about
Mr.
Kwok,
I
Q |\n| 10 | Golden Spring, New York. |\n| 11 | you currently work for Golden Spring in
Do |\n| 12 | any capacity? |\n| 13 | No.
A |\n| 14 | When was Golden Spring New York Limited
Q |\n| 15 | formed? |\n| 16 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 17 | When was Golden Spring New York Limited
Q |\n| 18 | formed? |\n| 19 | cannot get the
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 20 | later half.
Golden New York what? |\n| 21 | I'm going to actually just
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 22 | refer to it as Golden Spring.
do that I'm
When I |\n| 23 | referring to Golden Spring New York. |\n| 24 | When was Golden Spring formed as a
company?
Q |\n| 25 | don't know.
I
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45 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | The address on the petition is 162 East 64th
Q |\n| 2 | Street.
owns that property?
Who |\n| 3 | can ask the question again.
I |\n| 4 | The address for Golden Spring is listed as |\n| 5 | 162 East 64th Street in New York.
owns that
Who |\n| 6 | property? |\n| 7 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 8 | What is the nature of that property at 162
Q |\n| 9 | East 64th Street? |\n| 10 | don't know which property you're talking
I
A |\n| 11 | about. |\n| 12 | The office of Golden Spring --
Q |\n| 13 | I'm not sure that was --
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 14 | just try again.
Let me
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 15 | The office of |\n| 16 | translation issue.
There's a
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 17 | Could we confer for one second because |\n| 18 | obviously there's a misunderstanding.
So could Mr. |\n| 19 | Kwok talk to his translator because that obviously |\n| 20 | didn't come through. |\n| 21 | just --
would prefer
Let me
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 22 | if I
try again.
try again, please.
Let me |\n| 23 | The address for Golden Spring on the
Q |\n| 24 | bankruptcy petition is listed as 162 East 64th |\n| 25 | Street in New York. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 47 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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46 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Is it 54 or 64?
5-4 or 6-
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 2 | 4? |\n| 3 | 64.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 4 | So maybe because of the
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 5 | mistook the 6 as 5 so let me
correct my
phone I |\n| 6 | mistake and reinterpret again. |\n| 7 | that's the address of Golden Spring.
Yes,
A |\n| 8 | Does Golden Spring own that building that's
Q |\n| 9 | located at that address? |\n| 10 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 11 | Have you ever been to that address?
Q |\n| 12 | Yes.
A |\n| 13 | What type of building is it?
What's located
Q |\n| 14 | there? |\n| 15 | It was a
building.
A |\n| 16 | residential building or a
Is the building a
Q |\n| 17 | commercial building? |\n| 18 | Business building.
A |\n| 19 | didn't hear
I'm sorry, Bin.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 20 | your translation. |\n| 21 | A commercial building or
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 22 | business building. |\n| 23 | Does anyone live at that address?
Q |\n| 24 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 25 | What type of business does Golden Spring do?
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47 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | It's a
big family business my son works, but
A |\n| 2 | don't know specifically what categories of
I |\n| 3 | business it has. |\n| 4 | when you used the term --
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 5 | It is a
family office owned by my son.
He
A |\n| 6 | don't know.
has other businesses, but I |\n| 7 | when you use the term family
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 8 | business or family office, what do you mean by those |\n| 9 | terms? |\n| 10 | It's mainly for the whole family,
all the
A |\n| 11 | When there is something we
family members. |\n| 12 | and help each other.
(indiscernible) |\n| 13 | can you explain it in more detail?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 14 | don't know how to explain.
I
A |\n| 15 | Does Golden Spring have any employees?
Q |\n| 16 | Yes.
A |\n| 17 | How many?
Q |\n| 18 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 19 | Does Golden Spring own any real estate?
Q |\n| 20 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 21 | Does Golden Spring own any other business?
Q |\n| 22 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 23 | Does Golden Spring have any bank accounts?
Q |\n| 24 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 25 | you have previously said in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 49 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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48 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | documents filed with the bankruptcy court that |\n| 2 | Golden Spring pays for you personal living expenses. |\n| 3 | Can you please explain how they do that? |\n| 4 | don't know what you mean by they pay me.
I
A |\n| 5 | In what regard? |\n| 6 | you have previously told the court
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 7 | in your bankruptcy documents that Golden Spring pays |\n| 8 | for your clothing, your food and your housing. |\n| 9 | My question is how do they do that?
they
Do |\n| 10 | they pay other people directly?
give you money?
Do |\n| 11 | How does it work? |\n| 12 | need any expenses for my basic
Whenever I
A |\n| 13 | talk to my son and he will tell his office
living I |\n| 14 | to give to me. |\n| 15 | are the owners of Golden Spring?
Who
Q |\n| 16 | This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
I
MR. |\n| 17 | talk to my son
missed the end of that question.
I |\n| 18 | and he --
that answer.
talk to my son and
heard I
I |\n| 19 | lost it.
please have the
he and then I
Can I |\n| 20 | English again? |\n| 21 | didn't hear the
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 22 | gentleman? |\n| 23 | Harbach is asking Bin if
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 24 | you could repeat the translation of Mr.
Kwok's |\n| 25 | answer about how the money flows from Golden Spring. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 50 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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49 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | I'll repeat the
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 2 | interpretation. |\n| 3 | need expenses for my basic living I
When I |\n| 4 | tell my son.
My son will tell the office to take |\n| 5 | who are the owners of Golden
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 6 | Spring? |\n| 7 | My son.
A |\n| 8 | Are there any owners of Golden Spring other
Q |\n| 9 | than your son? |\n| 10 | No.
A |\n| 11 | have you ever owned an interest in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 12 | Golden Spring? |\n| 13 | No.
A |\n| 14 | are the officers and directors of Golden
Who
Q |\n| 15 | Spring? |\n| 16 | This is Bill Baldiga.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 17 | This is something for which there are very |\n| 18 | serious physical security concerns and it's not that |\n| 19 | if he knows.
the debtor would refuse to answer,
But |\n| 20 | line like this where it's open to the
not on a |\n| 21 | There are --
public and who else knows.
hold on. |\n| 22 | just confer with the witness because
Can I |\n| 23 | we'd like to give you as much as possible, but we |\n| 24 | don't want to cause severe security issues. |\n| 25 | just have one minute to confer
So could I |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 51 of\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 with the witness? MS. CLAIBORN: Yes. (Pause.) MR. BALDIGA: This is Bill Baldiga, again. The witness believes that he may know who the directors and officers are and is prepared to testify as to the best of his knowledge in that regard. And if we could take it one question at a time we'll go from there. 50 If you could interpret that, because I want to be sure that the witness understands what I just said as well, please. (Int e rp re tat ion) BY MS. CLAIBORN: Q Mr. Kwok, as of today, who are the officers of Golden Spring? A (Indiscernible) Q I'm going to repeat that name so everyone understands what I thought I heard. What I heard was Yan Ping, also known as Yvonne Wang. accurate? Yes. Is that A Q Is Yvonne Wang the only officer of Golden Spring? A I don't know. 83\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 52 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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51 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | As of today, who are the directors of Golden
Q |\n| 2 | Spring? |\n| 3 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 4 | have you ever been an officer or a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 5 | direct or Golden Spring? |\n| 6 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 7 | who is Max Krazner?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 8 | don't know.
don't know.
I
I
A |\n| 9 | Could you please repeat
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 10 | the name again? |\n| 11 | who is Max Krazner?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 12 | (No response) |\n| 13 | can you please answer?
Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 14 | I'm conferring with the
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 15 | witness for one second.
Hold on please? |\n| 16 | would rather
Baldiga,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 17 | he would answer the question before you make a |\n| 18 | confer. |\n| 19 | (Pause.) |\n| 20 | Thank you for that
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 21 | opportunity.
The witness could answer. |\n| 22 | He has to double check with you because I
A |\n| 23 | cannot read and cannot remember English names well. |\n| 24 | If it's the name
So just the name,
you said Max. |\n| 25 | But if you add another name to
Max only I
know Max. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 53 of\n\n83\n\n| | | March 21, 2022
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don't know.
I | |\n| 2 | Q | you know a Max with respect to Golden
Do | |\n| 3 | Spring? | | |\n| 4 | A | Yes.
know.
I | |\n| 5 | Q | And what is Max's role with Golden Spring? | |\n| 6 | A | don't know.
I | |\n| 7 | Q | Well, how do you know Max? | |\n| 8 | A | don't remember.
I | |\n| 9 | Q | you know more than one person by the name
Do | |\n| 10 | of Max? | | |\n| 11 | A | For me English name is very complicated. | |\n| 12 | Like I | can't remember the last name of my lawyer. | If |\n| 13 | | you add something else to Max,
don't know.
I | |\n| 14 | Q | the name Max Krazner is listed as
Mr.
Kwok, | |\n| 15 | | the person to whom the mail for Golden Spring is | |\n| 16 | directed to. | you know why that is?
Do | |\n| 17 | | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE | |\n| 18 | Q | you know why that is?
Do | |\n| 19 | A | only remember there is a Max at Golden
I | |\n| 20 | Spring. | only know this one thing.
I | |\n| 21 | Q | And what is Max's job at Golden Spring? | |\n| 22 | A | I'm not sure what role.
(indiscernible)
I | |\n| 23 | | know he is in charge of finance, but I'm not sure. | |\n| 24 | Q | What does he do for Golden Spring with | |\n| 25 | | respect to finances? | |\n\n## Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 54 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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53 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | was not involved in the management so I
I
A |\n| 2 | don't know. |\n| 3 | does it
If Golden Spring gives you money,
Q |\n| 4 | come through Max Krazner's efforts?
Does he help |\n| 5 | make that happen? |\n| 6 | He didn't give me money in
don't know.
I
A |\n| 7 | person. |\n| 8 | when you get money from Golden
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 9 | Does it come in the
Spring how do you get money? |\n| 10 | form of cash or something else? |\n| 11 | (indiscernible)
From my son and
A |\n| 12 | didn't
I'm sorry, Bin.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 13 | Can you try that
understand your translation. |\n| 14 | again? |\n| 15 | He said from my son and
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 16 | (indiscernible). |\n| 17 | My question was how do you get money from
Q |\n| 18 | Does it come in the form of cash or some
your son? |\n| 19 | other form? |\n| 20 | don't understand what you mean by how,
the
I
A |\n| 21 | never get money directly from them.
word how.
I |\n| 22 | If you don't get money directly from your
Q |\n| 23 | son, how do you get the money from your son?
Where |\n| 24 | does it go? |\n| 25 | don't use credit
don't use cash and I
I
A |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 55 of\n\n83\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n| 1 | Wan they just
cards.
(indiscernible)
My son and |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | It's impossible for me
pay my expenses for me.
to |\n| 3 | don't have bank
get any cash from them. And also I |\n| 4 | account.
Any bank accounts. |\n| 5 | credit
do you have access to a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 6 | card that was taken out by Golden Spring? |\n| 7 | This is Bill Baldiga. I'm
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 8 | translation issue with
sorry.
think there was a
I |\n| 9 | the prior question.
Could you give us a minute to |\n| 10 | be sure that the witness understood the question |\n| 11 | correctly?
Hold on for one second.
We're going to |\n| 12 | put it on mute. |\n| 13 | (Pause.) |\n| 14 | The witness would like to
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 15 | think it came through, but we're not
clarify. I |\n| 16 | that Golden Spring does not give him cash, but
sure, |\n| 17 | simply pays certain bills for his living expenses. |\n| 18 | If that's what came through the translation, great. |\n| 19 | If not, we clarify accordingly. |\n| 20 | credit
do you have access to a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 21 | debit card provided to you by or through
card or a |\n| 22 | Golden Spring? |\n| 23 | No.
A |\n| 24 | are you obligated to pay Golden
Mr.
Kwok,
Q |\n| 25 | Spring back for the monies that it pays on your |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n54\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 56 of\n\n83\n\n| 5 | |\n|---|--|\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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55 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | behalf for your living expenses? |\n| 2 | No need.
No.
A |\n| 3 | At this time I'd like to open
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 4 | the meeting to creditors, given that we have a |\n| 5 | limited amount of time for today.
am not done with
I |\n| 6 | all my questions. |\n| 7 | We will need to reconvene on another day, |\n| 8 | but for purposes of today's examination I'm now |\n| 9 | going to open it up to creditors who may wish to |\n| 10 | examine. |\n| 11 | would ask that you identify yourself when
I |\n| 12 | you speak and to be mindful of the need for |\n| 13 | interpretation. |\n| 14 | Just to clarify one thing for
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 15 | You asked previously --
you referred to
the record. |\n| 16 | the petition and asked whether anyone lived at 162 |\n| 17 | East 64th Street. |\n| 18 | And as we told you informally when we filed |\n| 19 | the petition there was great concern over the |\n| 20 | debtor's physical security and so he used that |\n| 21 | address, but has since, obviously,
corrected the |\n| 22 | record that he lives in the Greenwich house that you |\n| 23 | asked about earlier today. |\n| 24 | just didn't want the record to be
And so I |\n| 25 | confusing in that regard.
Thank you. |\n\n#### Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 57 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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56 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Are there any creditors who
CLAIBORN:
MS. |\n| 2 | wish to inquire or examine of the debtor? |\n| 3 | This is David Harbach
Yes.
HARBACH:
MR. |\n| 4 | for PACS.
do have some questions. We
do have
We |\n| 5 | can start asking the questions
some questions.
We |\n| 6 | now or if there are others who would like to ask |\n| 7 | questions that's fine.
However you want to proceed. |\n| 8 | obviously will not finish before 2 o'clock
But we |\n| 9 | either. |\n| 10 | cannot hear you clearly.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 11 | This is David Harbach for PACS
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 12 | was just saying that we do have some questions
and I |\n| 13 | are happy to proceed and ask them or if the
and we |\n| 14 | trustee would like. we can proceed with others |\n| 15 | asking questions but we will certainly not finish |\n| 16 | before 2 o'clock either. |\n| 17 | Could that be translated
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 18 | please? |\n| 19 | was saying I
could not
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 20 | get him completely. |\n| 21 | do you have the
Harbach,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Mr. |\n| 22 | ability to pick up a hand held and speak into a hand |\n| 23 | held device, as opposed to a
speaker phone? |\n| 24 | but let me
Not at this moment,
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 25 | move to see if this is any better.
Can you hear me |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 58 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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57 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | little better now?
a |\n| 2 | Not really.
sorry.
No,
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 3 | I'll tell
Not really.
Well,
HARBACH:
MR. |\n| 4 | If you give me
take a moment,
you what.
can
I |\n| 5 | try dialing in with a
Just give me
phone.
second,
a |\n| 6 | okay? |\n| 7 | Yes.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 8 | Bin, could you translate the
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 9 | please, so he knows that.
dialogue for Mr.
Kwok, |\n| 10 | (Interpreter translates) |\n| 11 | Hello?
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 12 | This is Holley
Hello.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 13 | Claiborn. |\n| 14 | This is David Harbach and I
MR.
HARBACH: |\n| 15 | just wanted to know if you could hear me better. |\n| 16 | Much better.
Bin,
can you
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 17 | hear Mr.
Harbach? |\n| 18 | can hear him now.
Yes,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 19 | Thank you. |\n| 20 | ahead, Mr.
Harbach.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Go |\n| 21 | I'll repeat what
said once
HARBACH:
I
MR. |\n| 22 | more so that the interpreter can interpret it. |\n| 23 | was just saying that
I'm David Harbach and I |\n| 24 | PACS does have some questions we would like to ask, |\n| 25 | but we certainly will not finish by 2 o'clock and so |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 59 of\n\n83\n\n58\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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58 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | if Ms.
Claiborn would like to proceed with giving |\n| 2 | other creditors an opportunity to ask questions |\n| 3 | it's entirely up to her or we can start now.
today, |\n| 4 | And this is Bill Baldiga. We
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 5 | extended our own translator until 2 o'clock so we |\n| 6 | certainly encourage whoever wants to ask questions |\n| 7 | to use the time. |\n| 8 | This is Jay Wolman.
I'm happy
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 9 | to ask some questions now. |\n| 10 | didn't get your
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 11 | name. |\n| 12 | represent
Jay Wolman,
and I
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 13 | Logan Chang. |\n| 14 | EXAMINATION BY MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 15 | Good afternoon, Mr.
Kwok.
Q |\n| 16 | you remember that I
took your deposition
Do |\n| 17 | about a
year ago? |\n| 18 | have too many --
I
A |\n| 19 | Someone's always talking
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 20 | in the background. |\n| 21 | don't
have too many depositions.
I
I
A |\n| 22 | remember specifically. |\n| 23 | That's all right. I
number of
asked you a
Q |\n| 24 | questions and you invoked your rights under the |\n| 25 | Fifth Amendment of the U.S.
Constitution.
you
Do |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 60 of 83\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 59 understand that? THE INTERPRETER: You and your wife what? Sorry. Q You invoked your right under the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. that? Do you remember MR. BALDIGA: We have a translation issue. Hold on for one second, please. (Pause.) MR. BALDIGA: I think -- our interpreter is hearing this translation. The question as we understand is do you remember having invoked the Fifth Amendment privilege at a prior deposition. That's what we are hearing. Could that be interpreter for Mr. Kwok in that way please? THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, I can I hear the question again. MR. WOLMAN: Sure. Q Do you remember at a prior deposition invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution? THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, I did not hear you clearly. Q Do you remember at a prior deposition invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S.\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 61 of 83\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 60 Constitution? THE INTERPRETER: At a prior what? Sorry. MR. WOLMAN: Deposition. D-E-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N. THE INTERPRETER: Deposition. Sorry, just one sec. (Pause.) THE INTERPRETER: Okay. In the prior deposition what? Q Do you remember invoking your Fifth Amendment rights? THE INTERPRETER: Invoking what? MR. WOLMAN: Can everybody else hear me or is it just the interpreter? MS. CLAIBORN: This is Holley. I can hear you. MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach. We can hear you fine. MR. BALDIGA: The debtor can hear you. not a volume issue. It's MR. WOLMAN: Is it a diction issue? I can try to THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter just didn't get the word. (Indiscernible) rewording. MR. WOLMAN: I cannot reword that. I need\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 62 of\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 61 you to hear the words in English and translate them, ma'am. THE INTERPRETER: Okay. Could you please speak slowly? Q Do you remember at a prior deposition invoking your rights under the Fifth, number five that is -- Fifth Amendment, ordinal number -- of the U.S. Constitution? Holley. THE INTERPRETER: Invoke or evoke? MR. WOLMAN: Invoke, I-N-V-O-K-E. Okay, we still have an issue. UNIDENTIFIED: Hold on. UNIDENTIFIED: Did someone just drop out? MS. CLAIBORN: Bin, are you there? This is MR. WOLMAN: Bin? MS. CLAIBORN: Bin, are you there? THE INTERPRETER: Hello. MS. CLAIBORN: Bin, this is Holley Claiborn. THE INTERPRETER: Okay. I'm back. MS. CLAIBORN: Okay. THE INTERPRETER: happened. I don't know what MS. CLAIBORN: Go ahead. 83\n\n24 25 MR. BALDIGA: Is the interpreter -- we're\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 63 of\n\n1 2 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 not sure what's going on. us or not? Is the interpreter with 62 83\n\n3 4 THE INTERPRETER: Yes, the interpreter is here now.\n\nMR. BALDIGA: Okay. Thank you.\n\n6 7 8 9 10 11 My client just said something and I don't know what he said and I don't know whether you were on for what he said. If you were, I'd like to know I'd like you to interpret it. If not, could you let us confer for a second so we could try to figure that out, because there was a lot of confusion.\n\n12 13 MR. WOLMAN: Bill, can you just ask your client to repeat what he just said?\n\nMR. BALDIGA: No\n\n5\n\n14\n\n25\n\n15 16 17 18 THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter would like him to repeat what he said because just now all of a sudden I'm not (indiscernible) sometimes. all the voices\n\n19 20 I'm asking the gentleman to repeat what he said just now.\n\n21 22 23 24 MR. KWOK: Just now in your question you mentioned that -- you asked me whether my wife used something under the law or under the Constitution. I don't remember that.\n\nMR. WOLMAN: I said nothing about his wife.\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 64 of\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\nMR. KWOK: So did you say just now my wife\n\nMR. WOLMAN: No, that was nothing of the\n\nMR. BALDIGA: Could I suggest, Mr. Wolman,\n\nMR. WOLMAN: Well, I'm going to re-ask him\n\nevery question relative to finances where he invoked\n\nthe Fifth and I wanted to make sure he had that in\n\nmaybe you could just go right to whatever you want\n\nto ask him instead of what happened a year ago\n\nbecause this is not getting anywhere.\n\nhis mind as he answers here today.\n\n83\n\nuse any kind of law or what?\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\n4\n\nsort.\n\n5\n\n6\n\n7\n\n8\n\n9\n\n10\n\n11\n\n12\n\n13\n\n14\n\n| Is there a
question?
BALDIGA:
MR. | | | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|\n| want to make sure you're
I
MR.
WOLMAN: | | | |\n| | | | |\n| At this point,
have no idea, but I
I
am | | | |\n| representing to you that is exactly what I'm doing. | | | |\n\n63\n\n15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 aware of what I'm about to do. At this point, I have no idea, but I am representing to you that is exactly what I'm doing. So I want to make sure your client is appropriately advised. BY MR. WOLMAN: Q So a year ago -- this is a lengthy one, Bin, so please just write it down, or do what you need to do. Let me finish and then translate. that piecemeal. THE INTERPRETER: Okay. Do not do\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 65 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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64 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | --
MR.
BALDIGA:
I |\n| 2 | want the translation
Hold on.
MR.
I
WOLMAN: |\n| 3 | of that and we'll take this in small pieces.
So |\n| 4 | Bin, please translate that for the witness because |\n| 5 | he has to hear everything. |\n| 6 | (Translation.) |\n| 7 | Yes.
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 8 | Thank you.
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 9 | BY MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 10 | asked you are you employed.
A year ago I
Q |\n| 11 | have always been --
You answered I |\n| 12 | asked you what? Sorry.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 13 | Are you employed?
Q |\n| 14 | lot of background noise.
There's a
Can we |\n| 15 | knock that off, please. |\n| 16 | A year ago I
asked you are you employed? |\n| 17 | You employed?
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 18 | A year ago I
asked you are you employed?
Q |\n| 19 | consultant for
have always been a
Your answer was I |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | Sorry.
A year ago I
asked
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 22 | The answer is what?
you are you employed? |\n| 23 | lot
have always been the consultant for a
I
Q |\n| 24 | of companies -- |\n| 25 | I'm sorry --
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n\n# Case 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 66 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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65 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | And my current employment is the --
am in
I
Q |\n| 2 | the broadcasting and to take down the Chinese |\n| 3 | It is a broadcasting revolution. I
Communist Party. |\n| 4 | then asked you how much do you get paid for that. |\n| 5 | I'm re-asking that question now.
How much |\n| 6 | do you get paid for that? |\n| 7 | have to do it from
INTERPRETER:
So I
THE |\n| 8 | didn't get the words when
the beginning because I |\n| 9 | asked you whether --
are you
year ago I
you say a |\n| 10 | Your answer is I
didn't get the word
employed? |\n| 11 | after is. |\n| 12 | always been the consultant
Your answer was I
Q |\n| 13 | lot of companies and my current employment is
for a |\n| 14 | am in the broadcasting
the
he paused.
I |\n| 15 | Is what?
Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 16 | --
and to take down --
Q |\n| 17 | Sorry.
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 18 | am in the broadcasting and to take down
I
Q |\n| 19 | It is a broadcasting
the Chinese Communist Party. |\n| 20 | revolution.
then asked you how much do you get
I |\n| 21 | I'm not able to
Excuse me.
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | I'm not done.
Excuse me.
MR.
Why
WOLMAN: |\n| 24 | not? |\n| 25 | tried to clarify --
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 67 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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66 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Why not?
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 2 | --
didn't
the words that I
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 3 | know it's simple but it's too long.
get.
Yes,
I
I |\n| 4 | (indiscernible)
long time to do the
such a |\n| 5 | interpretation. I'm highly concentrating.
have a
I |\n| 6 | human brain. |\n| 7 | I'm used to translators writing
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 8 | things down as they go. |\n| 9 | Sorry about that.
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 10 | Let me interpret what I
will
got and then I |\n| 11 | ask you the rest.
Is that okay? |\n| 12 | Yes.
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 13 | Okay.
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 14 | (Translation) |\n| 15 | --
Okay.
THE
INTERPRETER:
I |\n| 16 | then asked you how much do you get paid
I
Q |\n| 17 | for that and I
am asking you now again, because you |\n| 18 | invoked the Fifth, how much do you get paid for |\n| 19 | that? |\n| 20 | (Pause.) |\n| 21 | The witness is
Okay.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 22 | struggling to --
is the question are you
well, |\n| 23 | And you can answer that.
getting paid for that? |\n| 24 | am literally asking him
No.
MR.
I
WOLMAN: |\n| 25 | how much do you get paid for that. He
took the |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 68 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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67 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Fifth. I'm asking it now again. |\n| 2 | How much do you get paid for that?
Q |\n| 3 | No money at all.
A |\n| 4 | asked you what is Golden Spring
A year ago I
Q |\n| 5 | You answered it's a
then asked
New York.
company.
I |\n| 6 | you and what is your
then asked you and what is
I |\n| 7 | your relationship to that company and so I'm asking |\n| 8 | What is your relationship to
that question again. |\n| 9 | that company? |\n| 10 | don't know what you mean by relationship.
I
A |\n| 11 | If you didn't know what I
meant by that
Q |\n| 12 | question, why did you invoke the Fifth last year? |\n| 13 | Objection.
I'm not going to
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 14 | allow the witness to describe the legal advice a |\n| 15 | year ago as to the Fifth Amendment. |\n| 16 | is prepared to answer whatever questions
He |\n| 17 | bit by
you may have. You are confusing the witness a |\n| 18 | in each question having three things, some reference |\n| 19 | to the Fifth Amendment,
some conversation from a |\n| 20 | question as to now.
year ago and a |\n| 21 | But if you were to ask a more simple |\n| 22 | think this would go much more
question,
I |\n| 23 | productively.
That's your choice. |\n| 24 | Your client is an
No.
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 25 | intelligent person who is a
big businessman, who is |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 69 of\n\n| | 83 | |\n|--|----|--|\n| | | |\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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68 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | trust he can handle these
sophisticated person.
a
I |\n| 2 | simple questions. |\n| 3 | Proceed as you'd like.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 4 | (Translation interrupted) |\n| 5 | Last year I
asked you
Q |\n| 6 | Wait.
Hold on.
Mr.
Wolman,
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 7 | there's a
translation that needs to be done.
Please |\n| 8 | The witness needs to understand what's
hold on. |\n| 9 | being said. |\n| 10 | (Translation) |\n| 11 | ahead.
Okay.
INTERPRETER:
THE
Go |\n| 12 | What is your relationship to Golden Spring?
Q |\n| 13 | don't understand what you mean by your
I
A |\n| 14 | don't know how to answer your question.
question?
I |\n| 15 | you know what the word relationship
Do
Q |\n| 16 | means? |\n| 17 | Relationship means love of things in China.
A |\n| 18 | It could be between husband and wife.
It could be |\n| 19 | government relationship, a
financial
between a |\n| 20 | relationship, money and it could be a
lot of things. |\n| 21 | Is it a
don't know which one you mean?
So I |\n| 22 | man/woman relationship or a money relationship or |\n| 23 | what? |\n| 24 | What is it? What is your
Any relationship?
Q |\n| 25 | (indiscernible) |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 70 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 2 | sentence again, because there was talking. |\n| 3 | Any relationship, what is yours to Golden
Q |\n| 4 | Spring? |\n| 5 | Let me do the
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 6 | interpretation first. |\n| 7 | is he
Now the relationship is between
A |\n| 8 | owe money to him.
He helps me.
lends me money.
I |\n| 9 | And why does he do this?
Q |\n| 10 | was once a member of the Guo
Because I
(ph)
A |\n| 11 | family. |\n| 12 | This is David Harbach.
Could
HARBACH:
MR. |\n| 13 | you please repeat that English answer? |\n| 14 | Because I
was once a
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 15 | member of Guo family. |\n| 16 | Does Golden Spring pay the expenses of any
Q |\n| 17 | other member of the Guo family? |\n| 18 | Yes.
A |\n| 19 | Which other members of the Guo family?
Q |\n| 20 | don't know.
I
A |\n| 21 | A year ago I
asked you why does Golden
Q |\n| 22 | for
Spring pay Mr.
Podhaskie,
P-O-D-H-A-S-K-I-E, |\n| 23 | services rendered to you in your individual |\n| 24 | capacity. I'm asking that again now.
Why does |\n| 25 | Podhaskie for services
Golden Spring pay Mr. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 71 of\n\n83\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\n4\n\n5\n\n6\n\n7\n\n8\n\n9\n\n10\n\n11\n\n12\n\n13\n\n14\n\n15\n\n16\n\n17\n\n18\n\n19\n\n| March 21, 2022
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MR.
BALDIGA: | |\n| understand that Mr.
Podhaskie may be a
lawyer.
I | |\n| just need to confer with the client to make sure he | |\n| I'll
doesn't disclose the substance of legal advice. | |\n| take one second to do that. | |\n| The question didn't indicate
MR.
WOLMAN: | |\n| any answer of that sort. | |\n| (Pause.) | |\n| I'm sorry. The witness could
BALDIGA:
MR. | |\n| answer the question. | |\n| don't know.
I
MR.
KWOK: | |\n| Have you ever asked anyone why they pay for
Q | |\n| him to advise you? | |\n| don't remember.
I
A | |\n| asked you last year why did Golden Spring
I
Q | |\n| New York pay that judgment on your behalf, and I
was | |\n| referring to the one my client, Mr.
held
Cheng, | |\n| against you. | |\n| I'm asking you again why did Golden Spring | |\n\n20 21 22 23 24 25 New York pay that judgment on your behalf? A Q A them. It was money lended. Why did Golden Spring loan you that money? I don't have any thing so I borrowed from\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 72 of\n\n83\n\n| | | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|-------------|----------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Q | Where did Golden Spring get the money from? |\n| 2 | A | don't know.
I |\n| 3 | Q | Where does Golden Spring get any money from? |\n| 4 | A | don't know.
I |\n| 5 | Q | correct?
Your son owns Golden Spring, |\n| 6 | A | Yes. |\n| 7 | Q | Does your son owe you any money? |\n| 8 | A | No. |\n| 9 | Q | How did your son get the money that funds |\n| 10 | | Golden Spring? |\n| 11 | A | don't know.
I |\n| 12 | Q | Did you ever provide your son with any seed |\n| 13 | capital? | |\n| 14 | A | No. |\n| 15 | Q | Have you ever invested in any of your son's |\n| 16 | businesses? | |\n| 17 | A | No. |\n| 18 | Q | When did Connecticut become your residence? |\n| 19 | A | End of February or early March of 2020. |\n| 20 | Q | And you're sure about that here?
Okay. |\n| 21 | A | Yes. |\n| 22 | Q | And was that your primary residence since |\n| 23 | | February, 2020 or March,
2020? |\n| 24 | A | Yes. |\n| 25 | Q | asked you if you owned any
A year ago I |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 73 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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am asking you
I |\n| 2 | that again.
you own any interest in Golden
Do |\n| 3 | Spring New York? |\n| 4 | No.
A |\n| 5 | asked you are you an officer of
A year ago I
Q |\n| 6 | Golden Spring New York Limited.
I'm asking you |\n| 7 | Are you an officer of Golden Spring New York
again. |\n| 8 | Limited? |\n| 9 | No.
A |\n| 10 | A year ago I
asked you why would Golden
Q |\n| 11 | Spring pay Attorney Aaron, meaning Aaron Mitchell, |\n| 12 | on your behalf. |\n| 13 | I'm asking you again, why would Golden |\n| 14 | Spring pay Attorney Aaron Mitchell on your behalf? |\n| 15 | to repeat the
He wants me
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 16 | I'll do that for him.
interpretation. |\n| 17 | A loan.
A loan or borrowed money.
A |\n| 18 | Why did they make you that loan?
Q |\n| 19 | have been borrowing from them all the time
I
A |\n| 20 | was a member of the family.
because I |\n| 21 | Did you ever have any of your loans from
Q |\n| 22 | Golden Spring put in writing? |\n| 23 | Some have,
some no.
A |\n| 24 | Which ones have been put in writing?
Okay.
Q |\n| 25 | don't remember.
I
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Q |\n| 2 | Spring? |\n| 3 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 4 | Were any of the loans that were put in
Q |\n| 5 | writing in English? |\n| 6 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 7 | Were any of them in Chinese?
Q |\n| 8 | don't remember.
I
A |\n| 9 | Did you ever pledge any security interest in
Q |\n| 10 | exchange for any of these loans? |\n| 11 | don't remember
(Indiscernible)
but I
A |\n| 12 | (indiscernible). |\n| 13 | Could you please repeat the
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 14 | answer in English? |\n| 15 | He said (indiscernible)
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 16 | don't remember.
yes, but I |\n| 17 | if you
If you don't remember how much --
Q |\n| 18 | don't remember how many loans you took out, how are |\n| 19 | you able to identify how much they --
you owe them |\n| 20 | on your bankruptcy schedules? |\n| 21 | didn't quite get you.
I
A |\n| 22 | If you don't know how many times you took
Q |\n| 23 | out loans from Golden Spring, not all of which were |\n| 24 | in writing, how do you know how much you owe them? |\n| 25 | My lawyer and the lawyer of Golden Spring
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Tells me
the |\n| 2 | amount they can define is 21 million. |\n| 3 | So Golden Spring's lawyers helped prepare
Q |\n| 4 | your bankruptcy petition?
Is that correct? |\n| 5 | I'm sorry to interrupt.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 6 | two things.
( Indiscernible) |\n| 7 | No.
A |\n| 8 | So how did the information get from Golden
Q |\n| 9 | Spring to your bankruptcy petition? |\n| 10 | Objection to the question.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 11 | Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 12 | object to the question.
BALDIGA:
I
MR. |\n| 13 | I'm just trying to figure out
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 14 | how this information he doesn't know wound up in his |\n| 15 | bankruptcy petition? |\n| 16 | think you heard the answer
BALDIGA:
I
MR. |\n| 17 | that his lawyer and Golden Spring's lawyer discussed |\n| 18 | it.
you have another question?
Do |\n| 19 | How did you know that number was
Yes.
Q |\n| 20 | right? |\n| 21 | Let the interpreter go
Okay.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 22 | first and then ask another question, please. |\n| 23 | ahead.
Okay.
INTERPRETER:
Go
THE |\n| 24 | How did you know that number was right?
Q |\n| 25 | Number of what?
Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 76 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Q |\n| 2 | petition for what you purportedly owe to Golden |\n| 3 | Spring, how did you know that was right? |\n| 4 | believe the professionalism of my lawyers.
I
A |\n| 5 | They will review and check all the figures. |\n| 6 | This is Holley --
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 7 | you know the documents that were
Do
Q |\n| 8 | reviewed? |\n| 9 | apologize for interrupting.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 10 | It's now 2 o'clock.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 11 | apologize for interrupting.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 12 | It's Holley Claiborn. |\n| 13 | thank you for
Yes,
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 14 | Appreciate it.
filibustering to use up the time. |\n| 15 | I'm sorry. Who was that
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 16 | That's quite an inappropriate
addressed to? |\n| 17 | comment. |\n| 18 | addressing
That was me
You.
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 19 | that to you. |\n| 20 | I'd like to talk about --
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 21 | Okay
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 22 | --
the next date.
was
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 23 | going to suggest that we reconvene April 4th at |\n| 24 | in person at the U.S.
Trustee's Office in
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can
Mr.
BALDIGA:
I |\n| 2 | start to do that if you give me
second.
a |\n| 3 | could you please
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 4 | translate that? |\n| 5 | will double check with
INTERPRETER:
I
THE |\n| 6 | you whether you still need me on the line for a |\n| 7 | to log off?
second or you want me |\n| 8 | If you can continue on just
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 9 | for a
need to pick a
new date,
second.
so I
need
We |\n| 10 | you to translate that so the debtor understands. |\n| 11 | Okay.
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 12 | I'm sorry.
Was the request
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 13 | Was the request --
I'm just trying to
I'm sorry. |\n| 14 | heard it --
April 4 at 10 o'clock in
make sure I |\n| 15 | Bridgeport? |\n| 16 | 10 o'clock in New
April 4,
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 17 | Haven at the U.S.
Trustee's Office. |\n| 18 | We'll be back to you
Okay.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 19 | very quick on that. |\n| 20 | actually need an answer on
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 21 | that right now because we need to be able to notify |\n| 22 | creditors and I
want everyone to know before we |\n| 23 | conclude today. |\n| 24 | I'll put you on hold.
Okay.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 25 | this is David
Claiborn,
Ms.
HARBACH:
MR. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 78 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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Ho Wan Kwok - |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | I'm afraid that that day will not work for
Harbach. |\n| 2 | us? |\n| 3 | is that you?
Harbach,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 4 | was just
Yes,
ma'am.
And I
HARBACH:
MR. |\n| 5 | about to say that I
the 6th,
or
can do Wednesday, |\n| 6 | any day after that.
cannot do the 4th or the
But I |\n| 7 | 5th. |\n| 8 | How about Friday, April 8th?
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 9 | This is David.
can do that.
MR.
HARBACH:
I |\n| 10 | can do that.
I |\n| 11 | This is Jay Wolman.
can do
MR.
I
WOLMAN: |\n| 12 | that. |\n| 13 | Attorney Baldiga, can you
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 14 | check on April 8th, please? |\n| 15 | (Pause.) |\n| 16 | this is Dave Harbach
Holley,
HARBACH:
MR. |\n| 17 | Just anticipating that they're coming back
again. |\n| 18 | could also do it (indiscernible)
(indiscernible).
I |\n| 19 | for whatever it's worth.
could also do it on the
I |\n| 20 | if that's better.
29 or 30 of March as well,
28th, |\n| 21 | This is Bill Baldiga.
The 7th
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 22 | and 8th are Buddhist holidays so for religious |\n| 23 | Kwok can't do it those days.
We'll
reasons Mr. |\n| 24 | clear the 4th.
I'm sure there are some |\n| 25 | (indiscernible). I'm wondering who could make it. |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 79 of\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 MS. CLAIBORN: How about March 28th, next Monday? MR. HARBACH: Holley, I didn't get the second part of what you said about the 28th. 78 MS. CLAIBORN: I only offered the 28th as a new date. MR. BALDIGA: This is Bill Baldiga. 28, 29 and 30 Mr. Kwok has a medical issue that he (indiscernible) during those days. MS. CLAIBORN: How about Friday, April 15th? MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach. That's good by us. MR. BALDIGA: It's Good Friday. Good Friday for me and Passover for many. Can I suggest (indiscernible)? MS. CLAIBORN: I didn't hear your suggestion. I'm sorry. MR. BALDIGA: I respectfully ask that we go back to April 4. One lawyer among a dozen and one creditor should not MR. WOLMAN: This is Jay Wolman. I already have something for that day as well. MR. BALDIGA: (indiscernible) I know, but there are MR. WOLMAN: Two lawyers, including myself, 83\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 80 of\n\n83\n\n| | March 21, 2022
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MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 3 | then. |\n| 4 | Does April 6th work?
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 5 | What was that date?
MR.
WOLMAN: |\n| 6 | April 6th?
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 7 | This is David Harbach.
can
MR.
HARBACH:
I |\n| 8 | do April 6th. |\n| 9 | The debtor can as well.
BALDIGA:
MR. |\n| 10 | As can I.
UNIDENTIFIED: |\n| 11 | I'm going to mark April
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 12 | It's in person.
Trustee's
6th 10:00 a.m.
The U.S. |\n| 13 | Office in New Haven. |\n| 14 | Please allow for time to go through |\n| 15 | security. I'd like to start at 10:00. |\n| 16 | ask how much time
Could I
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 17 | would you reserve on that day,
including with the |\n| 18 | interpreter, just so we can plan? |\n| 19 | think you should plan for
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 20 | will have to follow up and get
the whole day but I |\n| 21 | an understanding about an interpreter and I
don't |\n| 22 | have that at my fingertips right now. |\n| 23 | Would that be 5
Okay.
MR.
BALDIGA: |\n| 24 | o'clock? |\n| 25 | guess we can go off the record as we
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finish this.
obviously. |\n| 2 | think we're
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I |\n| 3 | concluded for purposes of Bin's translation services |\n| 4 | for today. |\n| 5 | Thank you.
INTERPRETER:
THE |\n| 6 | Thank you very much,
Bin.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 7 | nice day.
Have a
THE
INTERPRETER: |\n| 8 | Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN: |\n| 9 | I'm going to stop the recording, but we can |\n| 10 | stay on the line.
I'm going to stop the recording. |\n| 11 | Thank you. |\n| 12 | (Meeting adjourned.) |\n| 13 | |\n| 14 | |\n| 15 | |\n| 16 | |\n| 17 | |\n| 18 | |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 82 of\n\n I, CHRISTINE FIORE, court-approved transcriber and certified electronic reporter and transcriber, certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the official electronic sound recording of the proceedings in the above-entitled matter.\n\nChristine Fiore, CERT\n\nTranscriber\n\nApril 5, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 81\n\n| | March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok - | | 82 |\n|----|---------------------------------|------|----|\n| 1 | INDEX | | |\n| 2 | | | |\n| 3 | HO WAN KWOK | Page | |\n| 4 | Claiborn
Examination by Ms. | 14 | |\n| 5 | Examination by Mr. Wolman | 58 | |\n| 6 | | | |\n| 7 | | | |\n| 8 | | | |\n| 9 | | | |\n| 10 | | | |\n| 11 | | | |\n| 12 | | | |\n| 13 | | | |\n| 14 | | | |\n| 15 | | | |\n| 16 | | | |\n| 17 | | | |\n| 18 | | | |\n| 19 | | | |\n| 20 | | | |\n| 21 | | | |\n| 22 | | | |\n| 23 | | | |\n| 24 | | | |\n| 25 | | | |","body_zh":"证物 PAX 17\n\n日期为 March 21, 2022 的第341条债权人会议记录\n\n关于 美国破产法院\n 康涅狄格地区 第11章\n HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵） 案件编号 22-50073(JAM)\n 债务人。\n\n2022年3月21日电话方式第341条债权人会议记录\n\n由 United States Trustee（美国受托人）办公室电子录音\n\n记录整理人：Christine Fiore（克里斯汀·菲奥雷），CERT\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.（菲奥雷速记与记录服务公司）\n4 Research Drive, Suite 402\nShelton, CT 06484\n(203) 929-9992\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n出庭人员：\n\n代表债务人：\n\n代表 U.S. Trustee（美国受托人）：\n\n代表债权人 Logan Cheng（程龙）：\n\n代表债权人 Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund, LP（太平洋联盟亚洲机会基金有限合伙企业）：\n\n代表债权人 Bruno Wu（吴波）、Weican Meng（孟伟灿）及 Rui Ma（马睿）：\n\n代表债权人 Xiaodan Wang（王晓丹）、Rong Zhang（张荣）及 Chong Shen Raphanella（钟申·拉法内拉）：\n\nWILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ.\nBEN SILVERBERG, ESQ.\nURI PINELO, ESQ.\nBrown Rudnick, LLP（布朗·拉德尼克律师事务所）\nSeven Times Square\nNew York, NY 10036\n\nHOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ.\nOffice of the U.S. Trustee（美国受托人办公室）\n150 State Street\nNew Haven, CT 06510\n\nJAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ.\nRandazza Legal Group（兰达扎法律集团）\n100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor\nHartford, CT 06103\n\nDAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ.\nO'Melveny & Myers, LLP（欧麦律师事务所）\n1625 I Street NW\nWashington, DC 20006\n\nSTUART SARNOFF, ESQ.\nLAURA ARONSSON, ESQ.\nCRAIG McALLISTER, ESQ.\nMAKENZIE RUSSO\nSTEVEN WARREN\nO'Melveny & Myers, LLP（欧麦律师事务所）\nTimes Square Tower\n7 Times Square\nNew York, NY 10036\n\nKAREN WARSHAUER\nMcElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter（麦克尔罗伊、德意志、穆尔瓦尼及卡彭特律师事务所）\nOne State Street\nHartford, CT 06103\n\nLILLIAN GRINNELL, ESQ.\nWolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz（沃尔夫·哈尔登斯坦、阿德勒、弗里曼及赫茨律师事务所）\n270 Madison Avenue\nNew York, NY 10016\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n出庭人员：（续）\n\n代表债权人 Samuel Nunberg（塞缪尔·农伯格）：\n\n代表债权人 Sherry Netherland（雪莉·内瑟兰）：\n\nAMY ZAMIR, ESQ.\nNesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP（内森诺夫及米尔滕伯格律师事务所）\n363 Seventh Avenue\nNew York, NY 10001\n\nEMILY KUZNICK, ESQ.\nStroock, Stroock and Lavan（斯特鲁克、斯特鲁克及拉文律师事务所）\n180 Maiden Lane\nNew York, NY 10038\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 5 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022 83\n\n1 克莱伯恩女士：我将从头再说一遍，因为我想确保全部内容均载入记录，对此我表示歉意。\n\n2 我基本上要重新开始本次会议。我们将会很快进行，然后再回到我刚才正要讲的地方。\n\n3 今天是 Monday, March 21st, 2022，我们就 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）的第11章案件举行第341条会议，Ho Wan Kwok 亦称 Wengui Gwo（文贵郭）和 Miles Kwok（郭文贵）。\n\n4 我叫 Holley Claiborn（霍莉·克莱伯恩），是 United States Trustee（美国受托人）办公室的一名律师，我将主持今天的会议。\n\n5 我正在录音记录本次会议，线上还有一名口译员，名叫 Bin（彬），拼写为 B-I-N。\n\n6 为了将其载入记录，我将第三次请 Bin 就其宣誓作答。\n\n7 （口译员宣誓。）\n\n8 为加快记录进程，今天出庭的有代表 Logan Cheng（程龙）的 Jay Wolman（杰伊·沃尔曼）。\n\n9 我们还有代表 Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund, LP（太平洋联盟亚洲机会基金有限合伙企业）的 Stuart Sarnoff（斯图尔特·萨诺夫）、Mia Gonzalez（米娅·冈萨雷斯）、David Harbach（大卫·哈巴赫）、Laura Aronsson（劳拉·阿龙松）、Craig McAllister（克雷格·麦卡利斯特）和 Mackenzie Russo（麦肯齐·鲁索）。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 6 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n1 克莱伯恩女士：代表债权人 Bruno Wu（吴波）、Weican Meng（孟伟灿）和 Rui Ma（马睿）的，有 McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter（麦克尔罗伊、德意志、穆尔瓦尼及卡彭特律师事务所）的 Karen Warshauer（凯伦·沃肖尔），她是一名律师助理。\n\n2 口译员：抱歉，我无法一次听清所有这些姓名。\n\n3 克莱伯恩女士：Bin，您是否翻译了 Pacific Alliance（太平洋联盟）的全部姓名？\n\n4 口译员：这些姓名实际上只是对发音的重复，并非翻译。\n\n5 克莱伯恩女士：谢谢。请任何未将电话静音的人将其静音。谢谢。\n\n6 好的。其他出庭人员是 McElroy 的 Karen Warshauer，她代表 Bruno Wu、Weican Meng 和 Rui Ma。\n\n7 在我回到债务人之前，线上是否还有其他由律师代理并希望将其出庭情况载入记录的债权人？\n\n8 格林内尔女士：你好——\n\n9 克莱伯恩女士：请等待翻译。\n\n10 格林内尔女士：（听不清）我来自 Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz（沃尔夫·哈尔登斯坦、阿德勒、弗里曼及赫茨律师事务所），我们代表——\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 7 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n口译员：抱歉。口译员听不清您。\n\n格林内尔女士：抱歉。我的连接一直有些不稳定。现在能听见我吗？\n\n口译员：能。\n\n格林内尔女士：好的。我重复一下刚才所说的话。我的名字是 Lillian Grinnell（莉莲·格林内尔）。我是 Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz 的律师，我们代表债权人 Rong Zhang（张荣）、Xiaodan Wang（王晓丹）和 Chong Sheen Raphanella（钟申·拉法内拉）。\n\n口译员：我没有听清您所说的姓名。\n\n格林内尔女士：我来拼写。我先拼写债权人的姓名。第一名债权人是 Rong Zhang，其名字为 Rong，拼写为 R-O-N-G，姓氏为 Z-H-A-N-G。\n\n第二名债权人是 Xiaodan Wang。她的名字拼写为 X-I-A-O-O-A-N。她的姓氏拼写为 W-A-N-G。\n\n第三名债权人是 Chong Shen Raphanella。她的名字拼写为 C-H-O-N-G。第二个名字拼写为 S-H-E-N。第三个名字拼写为 R-A-P-H-A-N-E-L-L-A。\n\n口译员：我只听清了 Chong Shen 和 R-A-P-H-A-L。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 8 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n1 格林内尔女士：抱歉，您是要我再次拼写第三个名字吗？\n\n2 （无人回应。）\n\n3 抱歉？我的连接非常差。您需要我再次拼写任何姓名吗？\n\n4 口译员：我想可以了。我已经向 Kwok 先生重复过了。\n\n5 格林内尔女士：好的。\n\n6 克莱伯恩女士：线上是否还有其他债权人或当事人？\n\n7 扎米尔女士：我是 Amy Zamir（艾米·扎米尔），来自 Nessenoff & Miltenberg（内森诺夫及米尔滕伯格律师事务所）。我来拼写。我的姓氏是 Zamir，拼写为 Z-A-M-I-R。Nessenoff 拼写为 N-E-S-S-E-N-O-F-F，Miltenberg 拼写为 M-I-L-T-E-N-B-E-R-G。我们代表债权人 Sam Nunberg（萨姆·农伯格），拼写为 N-U-N-B-E-R-G。\n\n8 克莱伯恩女士：还有其他人希望将其出庭情况载入记录吗？\n\n9 库兹尼克女士：是。我是 Emily Kuznick（艾米莉·库兹尼克），Emily 拼写为 E-M-I-L-Y，Kuznick 拼写为 K-U-Z-N-I-C-K，来自 Stroock, Stroock and Lavan（斯特鲁克、斯特鲁克及拉文律师事务所），Stroock 拼写为 S-T-R-O-O-C-K，Lavan 拼写为 L-A-V-A-N。我们代表 Sherry Netherland（雪莉·内瑟兰）。Sherry 拼写为 S-H-E-R-R-Y，Netherland 拼写为 N-E-T-H-E-R-L-A-N-D。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 9 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n1 口译员：我正在澄清他所说的话。\n\n2 （口译。）\n\n3 口译员：让我继续澄清刚才喊出来的话。\n\n4 （口译。）\n\n5 口译员：抱歉。口译员无法听清。\n\n6 没有人回应我的问题，所以我不知道。\n\n7 克莱伯恩女士：谢谢您，Bin。在线上是否还有其他债权人或利害关系方，然后我再回到债务人？\n\n8 哈巴赫先生：我是来自 O'Melveny and Myers（欧麦律师事务所）的 David Harbach，代表 PACS。我想澄清一下：债务人刚才所说的话，我们是否尚未得到答复，这是否正确？我没有听到对此的任何口译。我理解口译员正试图澄清所说内容，但据我所听，债务人并未答复，我们想知道他说了什么。\n\n9 巴尔迪加先生：我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。我接受您的道歉。那不是债务人，但我接受您就该推断所作的道歉。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 10 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n1 克莱伯恩女士：我稍后会再谈这个问题。\n\n2 哈巴赫先生：（听不清）好的。我是否应当道歉？但我们能否询问是谁发出了那声喧哗？口译员试图澄清，我们也是如此。请原谅这一推断。\n\n3 口译员：所以我已口译了您所要求的内容。刚才有人突然说了几句话——口译员没有听清那些句子。因此，口译员试图澄清是谁说话以及那些话是什么，但没有人回应口译员的问题。\n\n4 克莱伯恩女士：我是 Holley Claiborn。刚才说话的人能否回答口译员的问题并表明身份？\n\n5 口译员：抱歉，刚才只是一个视频，不是有人说话。\n\n6 巴尔迪加先生：我是 Bill Baldiga。Kwok 先生在那段喧哗期间听到的是有人播放其声音的录音。我们确实希望知道电话线上都有谁，并希望确认是谁播放了该音频片段。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 11 页，共 83\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022 10\n\n不明身份者：谢谢。抱歉，是我。我刚才播放了 Kwok 先生的视频。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：刚才发言的人能否表明身份？\n\n口译员：口译员需要澄清。\n\n（口译员询问。）\n\n严先生：我叫 Xingyu Yan（严兴宇）。我是 Kwok 先生的一名债权人。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：请问能否拼写一下？我们能否取得该姓名的拼写？\n\n严先生：拼写是：X，如 Xray；I，如 India；N，如 Nancy；G，如 George；Y，如 Yes；U，如 umbrella。姓氏是 Y，A，如 apple，N，如 Nancy。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：克莱伯恩女士，我是 Bill Baldiga。您能否请线上其他所有人员逐一报出姓名，以便我们知道谁在参与，无论他们是否打算提问？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我正在这样做。那是我的——好的。线上还有其他人吗？如果您在线上，请表明身份。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 12 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022 11\n\n格雷夫先生：你好。我叫 Steven Greif（史蒂文·格雷夫），拼写为 G-R-E-I-F。\n\n沃伦先生：我是 O'Melveny & Myers（欧麦律师事务所）的 Steven Warren（史蒂文·沃伦）。\n\n贾尔伯特先生：我是（听不清）的 Craig Jalbert（克雷格·贾尔伯特）。\n\n不明身份者：（听不清），来自 Robinson and Cole（罗宾逊及科尔律师事务所）。\n\n不明身份者：（听不清），来自 Stroock, Stroock and Lavan（斯特鲁克、斯特鲁克及拉文律师事务所）。\n\n迪林女士：我是 Brown Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克律师事务所）的 Alexandra Deering（亚历山德拉·迪林）。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我是 Holley Claiborn。感谢各位将出庭情况载入记录。如果我可以回到债务人一方，Baldiga 先生，您能否将您的出庭情况载入记录，并说明在您所在地与您在一起的所有人员？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：可以。我们在我们的——抱歉，我没有听清刚才所说的话。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Baldiga 先生，请继续，好吗？Baldiga 先生，请继续，好吗？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：可以，谢谢。我们在——\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交日期 04/22/22 录入日期 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 13 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n我们位于纽约 7 Times Square 的办公室。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Baldiga 先生，请说明与您在场的人员姓名。\n\n（无人回应。）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Baldiga 先生，请说明与您在一起的人员姓名。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：Ben Silverberg（本·西尔弗伯格）和 Uri Pinelo（尤里·皮内洛）。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：好的。我相信我先前听到的其他姓名是 Una Menye（音），她是一名口译员，以及律师 Aaron Mitchell（阿伦·米切尔）。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：是的，没错。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：好的。我将让 Kwok 先生宣誓，并请所有人将电话静音。\n\n（债务人宣誓。）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Kwok 先生，如您所知，今天的会议正在录音，口译员 Bin 正在口译我的问题及其他人的意见，也将口译您的回答。\n\n请在官方口译员完成完整翻译之前，不要回答今天向您提出的任何问题。\n\n我要求您不要在您与您身边的口译员沟通之前与其沟通。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 14 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 我将回答问题；如您这样做，我请求官方口译员翻译该讨论内容。\n\n4 您能否——抱歉。\n\n口译员：请重复一遍？\n\n克莱伯恩女士（MS. CLAIBORN）：郭先生，我请求您在回答我的问题或他人的问题之前，不要与今天陪同您的个人口译员沟通。\n\n口译员：他不能使用他自己的口译员。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：彬（Bin），您能否为郭先生翻译该指示？\n\n巴尔迪加先生（MR. BALDIGA）：我是比尔·巴尔迪加（Bill Baldiga）。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：巴尔迪加先生，您能否先等彬为我翻译完该指示，然后您再发表意见？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：两件事。首先，我是比尔·巴尔迪加。\n\n霍利（Holley），第二，如果郭先生需要与其口译员交谈，以便更好地理解所说内容，或者与我们同处一室的口译员认为存在误译，我们会告知您，以便您知道是否有进一步交谈。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 15 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n克莱伯恩女士：谢谢。\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵），经宣誓。\n\n由克莱伯恩女士询问：\n\n问：郭先生，您能否说明您提交第11章破产案件的原因？\n\n身份不明者：抱歉？\n\n问：郭先生，您能否说明您决定提交第11章破产案件背后的原因？\n\n哈尔巴赫先生（MR. HARBACH）：我是大卫·哈尔巴赫（David Harbach）。我们又听不清您说话了。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我很抱歉。我的电话系统是新的，我正对着电话大声说话，但除非我打开免提，否则我无法录音。大声说话是否能改善您听到我的声音的效果？\n\n哈尔巴赫先生：您的问题很难听懂，因为声音太含混。如果我可以直言，这不是音量问题，而是咬字问题。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我会尽量说慢一些。这样好些吗？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：似乎好些了，是的。谢谢。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 16 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：好的。我们再试一次。郭先生，您能否说明您提交第11章破产案件背后的原因？\n\n答：我听不懂您。我不知道您所说的提交第11章破产是什么意思。\n\n问：郭先生，您为什么提交破产案件？\n\n口译员：他希望澄清她所说的词。\n\n答：我没有提交任何破产证明。\n\n问：让我再试一次。郭先生，您是在美国此处破产程序中的第11章债务人。郭先生，您决定提交破产案件背后的原因是什么？\n\n答：所以您是在问我为什么申请破产，对吗？\n\n问：是。\n\n答：我在2月中旬的第二次审判，或者第二次出庭于Southern District of New York（纽约南区）时，收到了$120 million的罚款，并被命令在五天内付清。因此，在别无选择的情况下——我提交了破产申请，所以我在Connecticut（康涅狄格州）州和第11章提交了破产申请。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 17 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：郭先生，您首次就提交破产案件与律师交谈是什么时候？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：只需日期或大约日期。不要涉及法律意见的实质内容。\n\n答：大约12日、13日。\n\n问：您能否提供月份和年份？\n\n答：是2002年2月12日。\n\n问：您说的是2002年还是2021年？\n\n答：2022年2月12日或13日。\n\n问：郭先生，我请求您查看在破产法院以ECF 1提交的破产申请书。该申请书上有一处手写签名。那是您的手写签名吗？\n\n答：等一下。我会请律师拿给我看，我会看一看。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我是比尔·巴尔迪加。我们现有的是按提交版本带有电子签名的申请书。会议室内没有带手写签名的文件。如您希望我们取得该文件，我们可在休息时取得。\n\n问：郭先生，您能否查看您的律师持有的文件，即载有您印刷体姓名的破产申请书，并确认您在该文件向法院提交之前签署了该文件？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 18 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n答：请稍等一下。让我看一看。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我能否听一下翻译？我想听听您所说内容的翻译。\n\n（无人回应。）\n\n巴尔迪加先生：口译员还在线吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：彬，您在线吗？\n\n（无人回应。）\n\n彬，您在吗？\n\n（无人回应。）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：看来彬已经离开了，因此我将让大家稍候，并尝试重新连接她。我很抱歉。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：没关系。我们可以短暂休息吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我需要几分钟来处理，因此请继续；我一接通她，我们就立即继续。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：非常感谢。\n\n（休庭记录外。）\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 19 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n克莱伯恩女士：因一些技术困难短暂休息后，我们恢复记录。\n\n由克莱伯恩女士询问：\n\n问：待答问题是请求郭先生确认，他签署了以ECF 1提交的破产申请书。\n\n答：我已看完，是的。\n\n问：郭先生，您在签署前是否阅读并理解了破产申请书及其所载信息？\n\n答：是，我理解了。\n\n问：郭先生，该申请书在您签署前是否被翻译成另一种语言供您阅读？\n\n答：是，已为我翻译成中文。\n\n问：是谁翻译了破产申请书？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：郭先生，我不认为巴尔迪加先生会说中文。那么，您使用的是哪家公司或哪位人士为您翻译申请书？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：郭先生，据您所知，您的破产申请书中的信息是否真实、准确？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 20 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n答：是，准确且真实。\n\n问：郭先生，您能否查看以ECF No. 79提交至法院案卷的关于个人债务人财产清单的声明？\n\n口译员：抱歉，您能否重复一遍？\n\n问：郭先生，您能否查看以ECF 79提交至破产法院的关于个人债务人财产清单的声明？该声明上有一处手写签名。那是您的手写签名吗？\n\n答：是。我手中的文件是由我签署的。\n\n问：您正在查看ECF no. 79吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：郭先生，以ECF 79提交的声明在您签署前是否被翻译成另一种语言供您阅读？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：翻译成什么语言？\n\n答：中文。\n\n问：郭先生，您知道是谁翻译了ECF no. 79吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 21 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：为您将ECF 79翻译成中文的是谁？\n\n答：律师。\n\n问：您能告诉我该律师的姓名吗？\n\n答：比尔。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我是比尔·巴尔迪加。为澄清起见，证人没有区分我个人所做的事情与我们委托他人所做的事情。我显然并不亲自进行翻译。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：巴尔迪加律师，您能告诉我为您工作的翻译人员姓名或公司名称吗？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我需要去查一下。我这里没有。\n\n问：郭先生，您在签署前是否阅读并理解了以ECF no. 79提交的声明？\n\n答：是，我理解了。\n\n问：郭先生，您能否查看以ECF 78提交至破产法院的破产财产清单？郭先生，就今天而言，当我使用“财产清单”一词时，无论是统称还是指某一具体财产清单，我指的是以ECF 78提交的文件。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 22 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：郭先生，您的破产财产清单是否已为您翻译？\n\n答：是，已经翻译。\n\n问：郭先生，您是否参与准备财产清单中问题的答复和答案？\n\n答：是，我参与了。\n\n问：郭先生，您在签署以ECF 79提交的声明之前，是否阅读并理解了财产清单中所有问题的答复和答案？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：郭先生，谁协助您准备破产财产清单？\n\n答：律师。\n\n问：郭先生，您能告诉我哪些律师协助了您吗？\n\n答：比尔。\n\n问：郭先生，您指的是巴尔迪加律师吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：郭先生，还有其他律师协助您准备破产财产清单吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您能否告诉我协助您的其他律师的姓名？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 23 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n答：我不知道如何说出他们的姓名。我英文读得不好。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我是比尔·巴尔迪加。我很乐意补充，当然，我们Brown Rudnick（布朗·鲁德尼克律师事务所）的其他同事也提供了协助。但我不确定郭先生是否掌握谁具体协助了哪一部分的细节，当然，您可以询问。\n\n问：郭先生，是否有并非Brown Rudnick律师的任何律师协助您准备财产清单？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：请原谅。我需要与郭先生谈一秒钟。我将让您静音一秒钟。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：巴尔迪加先生，我希望他在您与他商议之前回答该问题。\n\n答：因为整个破产申请、全部事情都是由这位律师安排的。但我不知道其他所有细节。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：您想与您的委托人商议吗？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我仅澄清，郭先生可能不知道我们与其他人的所有交谈，但这是询问他的机会，因此您显然可以问这个问题，但我们不希望产生误导。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 24 页，共\n\nMarch 21, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：郭先生，除巴尔迪加先生和Brown Rudnick的律师外，您是否与任何其他律师讨论过准备您的破产财产清单？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您与谁谈过？\n\n答：另一家名为Ari（阿里）的律师事务所，以及我的个人律师（听不清）。\n\n问：您的个人律师叫什么名字？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我可以与他商议，并且或许能够回答该问题吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：请。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我可以有一秒钟商议吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：可以。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n巴尔迪加先生：谢谢。\n\n问：郭先生，您的个人律师叫什么名字？\n\n答：Guy Petrillo（盖伊·彼得里洛）和Ari（阿里）（听不清）。\n\n问：郭先生，我是否理解正确：您曾与Guy Petrillo（盖伊·彼得里洛）和Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）讨论您的破产财产清单？\n\n答：是。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交 04/22/22 登记 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 25 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022\n\n问：郭先生，您是否讨论过您的破产……\n\n2 您是否与任何其他律师讨论过您的破产清单，而这些律师您今天尚未向我说明？\n3 \n4 我不记得了。\n答\n5 郭先生，您的破产清单中是否有任何错误或遗漏？\n问\n6 \n7 我现在没有看到任何此类情况。\n答\n8 郭先生，据您所知，您的破产清单中的所有内容是否真实且准确？\n问\n9 \n10 \n11 是。\n答\n12 郭先生，您能否请看一下已向法院提交、ECF no. 77 中的破产财务状况说明书？\n问\n13 \n14 \n15 郭先生，请使用文件顶部的页码，翻到第20页，您将在该页看到一处手写签名。\n16 \n17 \n18 抱歉？\n口译员：\n19 您将在该页看到一处手写签名。\n问\n20 郭先生，财务状况说明书第20页上的手写签名是否为您本人所签？\n问\n21 \n22 \n23 是。\n答\n24 郭先生，您在签署财务状况说明书之前，该说明书是否已为您翻译？\n问\n25 \n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 26 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 是。\n答\n2 郭先生，您是否参与了编写财务状况说明书中问题的答复和答案？\n问\n3 \n4 \n5 是。\n答\n6 郭先生，您在签署财务状况说明书之前，是否阅读并理解了其中问题的所有答复和答案？\n问\n7 \n8 \n9 我全都理解。\n答\n10 郭先生，您的财务状况说明书中是否有任何错误或遗漏？\n问\n11 \n12 没有。\n答\n13 （未作答。）\n14 郭先生，请您回答该问题好吗？\n问\n15 \n16 抱歉。您能重复一下吗？\nBALDIGA先生：\n17 不知为何，我们在房间内没有收到口译。\n18 \n19 我再问一遍问题。\nCLAIBORN女士：\n20 您的财务状况说明书中是否有任何错误或遗漏？\n问\n21 \n22 截至目前，我尚未发现任何错误或遗漏。\n答\n23 \n24 郭先生，据您所知，您的财务状况说明书中的所有内容是否真实且准确？\n问\n25 \n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 27 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 \n2 是。\n答\n3 郭先生，谁协助您编写财务状况说明书？\n问\n4 \n5 我的律师 Bill（比尔）和我的财务顾问 Matt（马特）。\n答\n6 \n7 郭先生，您指的是 Baldiga 律师吗？\n问\n8 \n9 是。\n答\n10 财务顾问的全名是什么？\n问\n11 \n12 我不知道如何拼写。\n答\n13 是 Matt Flynn（马特·弗林）以及 Verdolino and Lowey（弗尔多利诺和洛伊）的同事。\nBALDIGA先生：\n14 不过您可以——\n15 郭先生，这是否正确？\n问\n16 恐怕我会说错，但我会请我的律师 Baldiga 先生为您澄清。\n答\n17 \n18 我们可以继续。\n问\n19 我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。\nBALDIGA先生：\n20 Kwok 先生根本不知道 Matt Flynn 或 Matt 在 Verlino and Lowey（弗利诺和洛伊）的同事的全名，\n21 \n22 但我确认，他在回答问题时指向身旁的 Matt Flynn。\n23 \n24 谢谢。\nCLAIBORN女士：\n25 郭先生，还有其他人协助您编写财务状况说明书吗？\n问\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 28 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 \n2 没有。\n答\n3 郭先生，您在 United States（美国）居住多久了？\n问\n4 \n5 将近七年。\n答\n6 我是 David Harbach（大卫·哈尔巴赫）。我没有听到该回答的翻译。\nHARBACH先生：\n7 \n8 Bin 女士，您能否重复一下您的翻译？\nCLAIBORN女士：\n9 \n10 将近7年。\n口译员：\n11 郭先生，您现在仍住在 Greenwich（格林尼治）Taconic Road（塔科尼克路）的房产吗？\n问\n12 \n13 是。\n答\n14 谁拥有 Greenwich 的该房产？\n问\n15 我的妻子。\n答\n16 您的破产文件提到一家名为 Greenwich Land, LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）的公司。谁拥有该公司？\n问\n17 \n18 我的妻子。\n答\n19 您妻子的姓名是什么？\n问\n20 （听不清）\n答\n21 Bin 女士，您能否把那个名字译为拼写形式？\nCLAIBORN女士：\n22 \n23 让我向他确认一下是哪些汉字，然后我可以为您拼写。\n口译员：\n24 \n25 \n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 29 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 我妻子的名字读作（听不清），但她来自香港。\n答\n2 \n3 她的拼写与中国大陆不同，我不知道如何拼写她的名字。\n4 \n5 郭先生，您能否只拼写她的姓氏？\n问\n6 \n7 我不知道如何拼写。\n答\n8 除您妻子外，是否还有任何人持有 Greenwich Land LLC 的成员权益？\n问\n9 \n10 我不知道。\n答\n11 Greenwich Land LLC 于何时作为公司成立？\n问\n12 \n13 2020。\n答\n14 郭先生，您是否曾是 Greenwich Land, LLC 的成员？\n问\n15 \n16 没有。\n答\n17 Greenwich Land, LLC 为购买 Taconic Road 上的 Greenwich 房产支付了多少？\n问\n18 \n19 我不清楚具体数额，但大约是5 million。\n答\n20 \n21 该购买款如何筹集？\n问\n22 我不知道。\n答\n23 谁会知道答案，郭先生？\n问\n24 抱歉？\n口译员：\n25 谁会知道该问题的答案，郭先生？\n问\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 30 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 我的妻子知道。\n答\n2 我是 David Harbach，就打断各位表示歉意。\nHARBACH先生：\n3 \n4 我们遗漏了 Kwok 先生所说该类房产大约会花费多少钱的数字翻译。\n5 \n6 能否请重复一下？\n7 抱歉，口译员无法清楚听到您说话。\n口译员：\n8 \n9 Harbach 先生，我将再问一次您的问题。\nCLAIBORN女士：\n10 \n11 谢谢。\nHARBACH先生：\n12 Greenwich 的 Taconic Road 房产购买价格是多少？\n问\n13 \n14 我不清楚，但大约是4 million 至5 million。\n答\n15 \n16 Greenwich Land LLC 于何时购买 Greenwich 的 Taconic Road 房产？\n问\n17 \n18 我不知道具体时间。\n答\n19 您知道年份吗？\n问\n20 我记不清楚。2019 或 2020。\n答\n21 （听不清的背景谈话。）\n22 发言者能否表明自己的身份？\nCLAIBORN女士：\n23 \n24 请稍等一下。\nBALDIGA先生：\n25 我正要——我们可能有一个翻译问题。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 31 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 请将您静音一秒钟。\n2 （暂停。）\n3 我是 Bill Baldiga。\nBALDIGA先生：\n4 我们认为 Kwok 先生对日期的回答是2019或2020，\n5 但译员可能只说了2020，没有提及2019。\n6 我显然不知道。\n7 但如果这很重要，您可以重新提问，以确保这一点明确吗？\n8 \n9 郭先生，Greenwich Land LLC 于何时购买 Greenwich 的 Taconic Road 房产？\n问\n10 \n11 可能是2020，也可能是2019。我记不清楚。我不知道。\n答\n12 \n13 郭先生，您是否签署过任何与购买 Greenwich 的 Taconic Road 房产有关的文件？\n问\n14 \n15 \n16 没有。\n答\n17 郭先生，谁居住在 Greenwich 的 Taconic Road 房产？\n问\n18 \n19 抱歉？\n口译员：\n20 谁居住在 Greenwich 的 Taconic Road 房产？\n问\n21 \n22 我和我的妻子。有时住在 New York（纽约）的女儿会回来。\n答\n23 \n24 郭先生，您目前是否受雇于任何人？\n问\n25 \n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 32 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 您是什么？\n口译员：\n2 您目前是否受雇于任何人或任何公司？\n问\n3 \n4 没有。\n答\n5 郭先生，自您开始在 United States 居住以来，您是否有过任何受雇经历或工作？\n问\n6 \n7 \n8 我记不清楚。我记不清楚，但大约在2015年，我曾在 Golden Spring（黄金泉）工作一段时间。\n答\n9 \n10 我拿到部分工资后离开了，之后没有其他工作。\n11 \n12 您在2015年为 Golden Spring 做什么工作？\n问\n13 \n14 我记不太清楚，但似乎是负责（听不清）开发投资者。不过我记不清楚。\n答\n15 \n16 \n17 \n18 郭先生，您何时停止为 Golden Spring 工作？\n问\n19 \n20 请稍等一下。\nBALDIGA先生：\n21 请原谅，我只是想确保我们——\n22 请稍等一下。我只是想确保我们没有（听不清）翻译。我们可能——\n23 \n24 （暂停。）\n25 我们的口译员认为，\nBALDIGA先生：\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 33 of\n2022年3月21日\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 他的回答是，如果他在 Golden Springs（黄金泉公司）担任过职务，\n2 那也是开发投资机会，\n3 而不是开发投资者。\n4 郭先生，您何时停止为 Golden Spring 工作？\n问\n5 \n6 我记不清楚。\n答\n7 郭先生，您所说的 Golden Spring，是否指名为 Golden Spring, New York, Limited（纽约黄金泉有限公司）的公司？\n问\n8 \n9 \n10 是。\n答\n11 郭先生，您是否因您为 Golden Spring 所做的任何工作而获得报酬？\n问\n12 \n13 是。\n答\n14 您获得多少报酬？\n问\n15 大约200,000。我不记得具体数额。\n答\n16 \n17 郭先生，您是否因在 Golden Spring 的工作而收到工资支票？\n问\n18 \n19 我本应收到，但我记不清具体情况。\n答\n20 \n21 郭先生，您是否将 Golden Spring 支付给您的钱存入银行账户？\n问\n22 \n23 我本应将其存入 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）的信用卡账户。\n答\n24 \n25 郭先生，您的意思是您在 Morgan Stanley 有一个银行账户吗？\n问\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 34 of\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n问 您在 Morgan Stanley 有一个银行账户吗？\n\n答 是，我曾经有。\n\n问 您何时关闭您在 Morgan Stanley 的账户？\n\n答 大约在2017年4月，当（听不清）Chinese Communist Party（中国共产党）开始追捕我时，所以我所有的银行账户都被（听不清）关闭。\n\nBALDIGA先生：这里有一处误译。请稍等。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n问 您现在仍在 Morgan Stanley 有银行账户吗？\n\n答 没有。\n\nBALDIGA先生：先前的错误陈述或误译仅涉及对该词语的翻译。但这里遗漏了回答的整个核心内容。我不确定发生了什么。\n\nCLAIBORN女士：也许我可以换一个问题。我们可以再试一次。\n\nBALDIGA先生：不，我认为——不，我认为这个回答——我担心翻译的准确性，因为其中具体提到了若干姓名，而这些姓名完全没有在回答中体现。我猜，Bin，您没有听到提及——\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 35 of\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\nPACS 和 Bruno Wu（吴征），还是存在声音问题，或者发生了什么？\n\n（口译员翻译）\n\nCLAIBORN女士：郭先生，您是否——\n\nKWOK先生：所以 Bruno Wu、（听不清）34 Airlines（34航空公司）以及 Chinese Communist Party，他们都在追捕我并想杀死我。因此，我（听不清）关闭了——我所有的银行账户都被 PAC、PACS 关闭。（听不清）今天会议上在场的所有人。\n\nBALDIGA先生：我们能否在记录中完整记载 Kwok 先生所说的内容。显然，那只是他所说内容中很小的一部分。\n\n（口译员翻译）\n\n口译员：我不知道他所说的内容，但那短得多。口译员正在每两个名字后询问他，以便我能保持其意思的完整性。\n\nKWOK先生：今天的会议上有 PAC，即主要债权人之一。还有（听不清）。还有（听不清）成员。所有本应支付的钱都进入了以 Bruno Wu 名义设立的 Communist Party 账户。因此，自那一天起，当所有——所有83——\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 250-17 Filed 04/22/22 Entered 04/22/22 16:59:37 Page 36 of\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n中国共产党的代表——当追捕和杀害开始时，我失去了所有银行账户。\n\n这是 David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫）。\n\n哈巴赫先生：您能否请他重复一遍？\n\n口译员：对不起？\n\n哈巴赫先生：这是 David Harbach。您刚才翻译的回答以“自那天起”开头。您能否请他用英语重复该回答？\n\n口译员：自那天起，所有那些中国共产党的代表……自那天起，我失去了所有银行账户。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：\n\n问：Kwok先生，您关闭 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）账户时，账户内是否有钱？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：您把那笔钱转到哪里了？\n\n答：自从账户关闭后，就再也没有人来找过我。\n\n问：Kwok先生，我的问题是您把钱转到哪里了？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：这是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）——抱歉。这是 Bill Baldiga。您能否询问一下，或许您是在推断或暗示他把钱转走了，而不是发生了其他什么事？您能否以更中立的方式提问，这样您或许能得到更完整的回答？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 37 页，共 83 页\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：Kwok先生，是您或代表您行事的人关闭了 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）账户吗？\n\n答：是共产党、Bruno Wu（吴征）以及（听不清）关闭的。该账户是被共产党关闭的。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Morgan Stanley账户是否在美国？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Kwok先生，除您本人或代表您行事的人以外，其他人如何能够关闭以您名义开立的银行账户？\n\n口译员：他想让我重复问题，即对该问题的翻译。\n\n（口译员再次翻译。）\n\n答：这是共产党的核心控制，就像今天正在发生的事情一样。同样的事情发生在我身上。（听不清）\n\n巴尔迪加先生：克莱伯恩女士，我能否建议您询问是否是 Morgan Stanley关闭了账户，这样我们在这里可以更有效率一些？\n\n问：Kwok先生，是您关闭了您在 Morgan Stanley的账户吗？\n\n口译员：对不起？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 38 页，共 83 页\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：Kwok先生，是您关闭了您在 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）的账户吗？\n\n口译员：对不起，我实际上还没有完全理解这个问题。\n\n问：Kwok先生，是您亲自关闭了您在 Morgan Stanley的账户吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是否要求 Morgan Stanley的某人关闭您的账户？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是如何得知您在 Morgan Stanley的银行账户被关闭的？\n\n答：Morgan Stanley通知我，因为我在中国政府的通缉名单上，所以账户被关闭了。代表（听不清）的 Bruno Wu使我的名字被列入通缉名单，因此账户被关闭。\n\n问：Kwok先生，Morgan Stanley关闭账户时，账户里的钱发生了什么？\n\n哈巴赫先生：克莱伯恩女士，这是 David Harbach。对不起，我漏听了该问题的后半部分。当 Morgan Stanley关闭账户时，我没听到后面的问题。\n\n问：我重复一下我的问题。Kwok先生，Morgan Stanley关闭银行账户时，银行账户里的钱发生了什么？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 39 页，共 83 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n答：我最后知道的是，一名讲中文的人打电话告诉我，我的账户因我被列入中国政府的通缉名单而关闭。后来发生了什么，我确实不知道。\n\n问：Kwok先生，账户里有多少钱——\n\n巴尔迪加先生：这是 Bill Baldiga。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：是的，巴尔迪加先生？\n\n巴尔迪加先生：这是 Bill Baldiga。我不想打断您的提问节奏，但我认为如果我们很快休息一下会有帮助。不过，如果您想先问完这一部分，当然可以。另一个问题是，Morgan这个名称可能会造成一些混淆，因此您可能想问证人，这实际上是 Morgan Stanley还是 JP Morgan Chase（摩根大通）。\n\nKwok先生：我现在想起来，我认为是 JP Morgan Chase。我只是无法区分。我把 Morgan Stanley和 JP Morgan Chase搞混了。\n\n问：Kwok先生，不论您称它为 JP Morgan Chase还是 Morgan Stanley，那里是否只有一个账户？\n\n答：我记得我只有这一个账户。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 40 页，共 83 页\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：该账户关闭时，里面大约有多少钱？\n\n答：几千美元。\n\n哈巴赫先生：我漏听了。请重复英语原话好吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Bin，您能否请他重复回答？\n\n（无回应。）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Bin，您能否请他重复回答？\n\n哈巴赫先生：这是 David Harbach。我漏听了“千”字之前的翻译。我没有听到数字。您能否请他重复一遍？\n\n口译员：他说几千美元。\n\n问：Kwok先生，当您说几千美元时，您能否让我了解您的意思？是否低于 \\$10,000？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：Kwok先生，几分钟前您作证称，您为 Golden Spring（金泉）开发投资机会。您能否进一步解释？\n\n口译员：对不起？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 41 页，共 83 页\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我还没有问完问题。抱歉。我再试一次。\n\n问：Kwok先生，几分钟前您作证称，您为 Golden Spring（金泉）开发投资机会。您能否解释您的意思？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您为 Golden Spring工作时，您是否在美国工作？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您与 Golden Spring合作时，您有职务头衔吗？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您为 Golden Spring工作时，除开发投资机会外，您是否还从事其他工作？\n\n答：（听不清）中国共产党。\n\n问：您能否解释一下？\n\n答：自2015年至今，我一直将全部时间和精力用于收集有关共产党的腐败、人权问题及暗杀的信息。这是我的目标和工作。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您目前是否有任何收入来源？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 42 页，共 83 页\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n口译员：我没有听清。您能否重复一遍？\n\n问：Kwok先生，您目前是否有收入来源？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是否已向美国国内税务局（Internal Revenue Service）提交2021年度的纳税申报表？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您是否已就2021纳税年度向任何州提交纳税申报表？\n\n口译员：对不起？\n\n问：您是否已就2021纳税年度向任何州提交纳税申报表？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您2021年度需要向哪些州提交何种纳税申报表？\n\n答：在 Connecticut（康涅狄格州）提交个人纳税申报表。\n\n问：您是否将就2021年度向 State of New York（纽约州）提交纳税申报表？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您此前向我的办公室提供了2019年和2020年的纳税申报表。这些纳税申报表是否与您向纽约州的美国国内税务局提交的纳税申报表相同？\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 43 页，共 83 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n口译员：对不起，哪一年的日期？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：2019年和2020年。\n\n口译员：是的，我明白了。后半部分是什么？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：纽约州。\n\n答：不，我是在 Connecticut提交的，2020年。Kwok先生——我在（听不清）提交了2019年和2020年。2020年我在 Connecticut提交。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：Holley，我们能很快休息一下吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：不幸的是，我建议我们实际上不能休息，因为口译员只能到2:00。因此，如果休息，必须非常、非常短。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：好的。五分钟？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：好的，在那之前让我先问一个问题。\n\n问：Kwok先生，请确认，您向 United States Trustee（美国受托人）提供的2020年和2019年纳税申报表，与向税务机关提交的纳税申报表相同？\n\n口译员：什么？对不起，最后一个词。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 44 页，共 83 页\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n克莱伯恩女士：机关。\n\n答：是。\n\n口译员：您能否重复一遍？对不起。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您向美国受托人办公室提供的2019年和2020纳税年度的纳税申报表，是否与您向美国国内税务局、康涅狄格州和纽约州提供的纳税申报表相同？\n\n答：是。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我想澄清一下。正如您所知，您的2020年纳税申报表中，对社会保障号码以及可能几个数据点作了非常有限的遮盖。我不确定证人是否知道我们就该数据保护采取了什么措施，但您知道。我只是想避免在这方面使记录含糊不清。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：谢谢。\n\n问：Kwok先生，您的2020年纳税申报表仅申报利息收入，没有其他收入来源。您在2020年是否有其他收入来源？\n\n答：没有。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：好的。我将进行一次非常短的休息。现在是12:30。我希望大家于12:35重新集合。我不会断开通话。我只要求各位将电话置于保持状态。我们将于12:35重新集合。谢谢。\n\n（停止记录。）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：好的。短暂休息后，我们恢复记录。\n\n问：Kwok先生，我想与您谈谈 Golden Spring New York（金泉纽约）。您目前是否以任何身份为 Golden Spring工作？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Golden Spring New York Limited（金泉纽约有限公司）何时成立？\n\n口译员：对不起？\n\n问：Golden Spring New York Limited何时成立？\n\n口译员：对不起，我没有听清后半部分。Golden New York什么？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：实际上，我将其简称为 Golden Spring。当我这样说时，我指的是 Golden Spring New York。\n\n问：Golden Spring何时作为一家公司成立？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交，于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入，第 46 页，共 83 页\n\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：破产申请书上的地址是 162 East 64th Street。谁拥有该房产？\n\n答：我可以再问一次问题。\n\n问：Golden Spring的地址列为纽约 162 East 64th Street。谁拥有该房产？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：162 East 64th Street的该房产性质是什么？\n\n答：我不知道您在说哪处房产。\n\n问：Golden Spring的办公室——\n\n巴尔迪加先生：我不确定那是——\n\n克莱伯恩女士：让我再试一次。\n\n巴尔迪加先生：存在翻译问题。我们能否商议一秒钟，因为显然存在误解。因此，Kwok先生能否与他的翻译交谈，因为那显然没有翻译出来。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我只是——我希望我再试一次。请让我再试一次。\n\n问：Golden Spring在破产申请书上的地址列为纽约 162 East 64th Street。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 47 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n问：是 54 还是 64？\n\n答：64。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：因此，可能是口译员把 6 误作了 5，所以请让我更正我的错误并再次口译。是的，那是 Golden Spring（金泉公司）的地址。\n\n问：Golden Spring 是否拥有位于该地址的那栋建筑？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您曾去过该地址吗？\n\n答：去过。\n\n问：那是什么类型的建筑？那里有什么？\n\n答：那是一栋建筑。\n\n问：该建筑是住宅楼还是商业楼？\n\n答：商业楼。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：抱歉，Bin。我没有听到您的翻译。\n\n口译员：商业楼或办公楼。\n\n问：有人住在该地址吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 从事什么类型的业务？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 48 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n答：这是一家很大的家族企业，我儿子在里面工作，但我具体不知道它有哪些业务类别。\n\n问：郭先生，您使用“家族企业”一词时——\n\n答：这是一家由我儿子拥有的家族办公室。他还有其他业务，但我不知道。\n\n问：郭先生，您使用“家族企业”或“家族办公室”这些词时，是什么意思？\n\n答：主要是为了整个家庭，为了所有家庭成员。我们有事情时会互相帮助。\n\n问：郭先生，您能更详细地说明吗？\n\n答：我不知道该如何说明。\n\n问：Golden Spring 有雇员吗？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：多少人？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 拥有任何房地产吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 拥有其他任何企业吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 有任何银行账户吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：郭先生，您此前在——\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 49 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n问：向破产法院（bankruptcy court）提交的文件中称，Golden Spring 支付您的个人生活开支。请您说明他们如何这样做？\n\n答：我不知道您所说的他们支付给我是什么意思。\n\n问：在哪方面？\n\n问：郭先生，您此前在破产文件中告诉法院，Golden Spring 支付您的衣物、食物和住房费用。我的问题是，他们如何这样做？他们是否直接向其他人付款？他们是否给您钱？具体如何运作？\n\n答：每当我有基本生活开支需要时，我会跟我儿子说，他会让其办公室给我。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的所有人是谁？\n\nHarbach先生：我是 David Harbach（大卫·哈巴赫）。我没有听到该问题的最后部分和该回答。我听到“我和我儿子”，然后——我没听清。请再用英语说一遍好吗？\n\n口译员：抱歉，我没有听到那位先生的话？\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Harbach 先生询问 Bin，您是否可以重复翻译郭先生关于款项如何从 Golden Spring 流出的回答。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 50 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n口译员：我将重复口译。\n\n答：当我有基本生活开支需要时，我会告诉我儿子。我儿子会让办公室去处理。\n\n问：郭先生，Golden Spring 的所有人是谁？\n\n答：我儿子。\n\n问：除您儿子外，Golden Spring 是否还有其他所有人？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：郭先生，您是否曾拥有 Golden Spring 的任何权益？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的高级管理人员和董事是谁？\n\nBaldiga先生：我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。这涉及非常严重的人身安全问题，并非债务人如果知道就会拒绝回答。但不能在这样一个向公众公开、且其他人也会知悉的线路上进行。请稍等。我可以与证人商议一下吗？因为我们希望尽可能向您提供信息，但我们不希望造成严重的安全问题。因此，我可以用一分钟与证人商议吗？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 51 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n克莱伯恩女士：可以。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBaldiga先生：我是 Bill Baldiga，再次发言。证人认为他可能知道董事和高级管理人员是谁，并准备就此根据其所知作证。如果我们一次问一个问题，我们就从那里继续。\n\n50 如果可以的话，请口译该内容，因为我也希望确保证人理解我刚才所说的话。\n\n（口译。）\n\n由克莱伯恩女士询问：\n\n问：郭先生，截至今日，Golden Spring 的高级管理人员是谁？\n\n答：（听不清。）\n\n问：我将重复该姓名，以便每个人都明白我以为自己听到的内容。我听到的是 Yan Ping（燕平），亦称 Yvonne Wang（王燕平）。这准确吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Yvonne Wang 是否是 Golden Spring 唯一的高级管理人员？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n83\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 52 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n问：截至今日，Golden Spring 的董事是谁？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：郭先生，您是否曾是 Golden Spring 的高级管理人员或董事？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krazner（马克斯·克拉兹纳）是谁？\n\n答：我不知道。我不知道。\n\n口译员：您能再重复一遍这个名字吗？\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krazner 是谁？\n\n（无回应。）\n\n问：郭先生，您能回答吗？\n\nBaldiga先生：请稍等？我正与证人商议一下。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Baldiga 先生，我希望他在您商议之前回答这个问题。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBaldiga先生：感谢给我这个机会。证人可以回答。他必须与您核对，因为他不会读英文，也记不住英文名字。如果只是这个名字，您说 Max，我只知道 Max。但如果您在其后加上另一个名字——\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 53 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 52\n\n答：我就不确定了。我不知道。\n\n问：您知道与 Golden Spring 有关的一个叫 Max 的人吗？\n\n答：知道。\n\n问：Max 在 Golden Spring 担任何职务？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：那么，您如何认识 Max？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您认识不止一个名叫 Max 的人吗？\n\n答：对我而言，英文名字非常复杂。例如，我记不住我律师的姓。如果您在 Max 后面加上别的内容，我就不知道。\n\n问：郭先生，Max Krazner 这个名字被列为 Golden Spring 邮件的收件人。您知道为什么吗？\n\n口译员：抱歉？\n\n问：您知道为什么吗？\n\n答：我只记得 Golden Spring 有一个 Max。我只知道这一件事。\n\n问：Max 在 Golden Spring 做什么工作？\n\n答：我不确定其职务。（听不清。）我知道他负责财务，但我不确定。\n\n问：就财务而言，他为 Golden Spring 做什么？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 54 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n答：我没有参与管理，所以我不知道。\n\n问：如果 Golden Spring 给您钱，这是否通过 Max Krazner 的安排？他是否协助促成此事？\n\n答：我不知道。他没有亲自给我钱。\n\n问：郭先生，您从 Golden Spring 获得钱时，您如何获得钱？是现金还是其他形式？\n\n答：（听不清。）从我儿子那里——\n\n克莱伯恩女士：抱歉，Bin。我没有理解您的翻译。您能再试一次吗？\n\n口译员：他说从我儿子那里，以及（听不清）。\n\n问：我的问题是，您如何从您儿子那里获得钱？是现金还是其他形式？\n\n答：我不明白您所说“如何”的意思。我从不直接从他们那里拿钱。\n\n问：如果您不直接从您儿子那里拿钱，您如何从您儿子那里获得钱？钱去了哪里？\n\n答：我不用现金，也不用信用——\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 55 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n答：卡。（听不清。）我儿子和 Wan 只是为我支付我的开支。我不可能从他们那里拿到任何现金。而且我没有任何银行账户。\n\n问：郭先生，您是否可以使用由 Golden Spring 办理的信用卡？\n\nBaldiga先生：我是 Bill Baldiga。抱歉。我认为之前的问题存在翻译问题。能否给我们一分钟，以确保证人正确理解了问题？请稍等一下。我们将静音。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBaldiga先生：证人希望澄清。我认为翻译传达的是，Golden Spring 不给他现金，而只是支付其生活开支中的某些账单。如果翻译传达的是这个意思，很好；如果不是，我们将相应澄清。\n\n问：郭先生，您是否可以使用由 Golden Spring 提供给您或通过 Golden Spring 提供给您的信用卡或借记卡？\n\n答：不可以。\n\n问：郭先生，您是否有义务向 Golden Spring 偿还其代您支付的生活开支款项？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.（菲奥雷记录和转录服务公司）\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 56 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n答：不需要。不需要。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：此时，鉴于我们今天的时间有限，我想向债权人开放会议。我尚未问完我所有的问题。我们需要在另一日重新召开会议，但就今天的询问而言，我现在将允许希望询问的债权人进行询问。我要求各位发言时表明身份，并注意需要进行口译。\n\nBaldiga先生：为澄清记录中的一点，您此前提到申请书，并询问是否有人住在 162 East 64th Street。正如我们在提交申请书时非正式地告诉您的，债务人的人身安全存在重大担忧，因此他使用了该地址；但此后，他显然已更正记录，说明他居住在您今天早些时候询问的 Greenwich 房屋。因此，我只是不希望记录在这方面产生混淆。谢谢。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 录入 第 57 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）-\n\n克莱伯恩女士：是否有债权人希望向债务人进行询问或审查？\n\nHarbach先生：是。我是代表 PACS（PACS公司）的 David Harbach。我们确实有一些问题。我们现在可以开始提问，或者如果还有其他人希望提问，也可以。您希望如何进行都可以。但显然，我们也无法在 2 点之前结束。\n\n口译员：我无法清楚听到您。\n\nHarbach先生：我是代表 PACS 的 David Harbach。我刚才只是说，我们确实有一些问题，并且愿意继续提问；或者，如果受托人希望，我们可以让其他人继续提问，但我们肯定也无法在 2 点之前结束。\n\nBaldiga先生：请翻译一下好吗？\n\n口译员：我刚才说，我没有完全听清他的话。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Harbach 先生，您是否能够拿起手持设备并对着手持设备讲话，而不是使用免提电话？\n\nHarbach先生：目前不行，但让我移动一下，看看这样是否更好。您能听到我吗？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 录入于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 58 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n1 现在好一点了吗？\n答 不太好。抱歉，没有。\n口译员： 不太好。嗯，我会告诉你怎么做。\nHARBACH先生： 如果你给我一点时间，我可以试着用电话拨入。请给我一秒钟，好吗？\n答 是。\nCLAIBORN女士： Bin，能否请你为Kwok先生翻译一下这段对话，以便他知道情况？\nBALDIGA先生： 请。\n（口译员翻译）\nHARBACH先生： 喂？\nCLAIBORN女士： 你好。这是Holley Claiborn（霍利·克莱伯恩）。\nHARBACH先生： 我是David Harbach（大卫·哈巴赫），我只是想知道你现在是否能听得更清楚。\nCLAIBORN女士： 好得多了。Bin，你能听到Harbach先生吗？\n口译员： 是的，我现在能听到他了。\nCLAIBORN女士： 谢谢。请继续，Harbach先生。\nHARBACH先生： 我将再重复一遍，以便口译员可以翻译。我刚才说，我是David Harbach，PACS确实有一些问题想问，但我们肯定无法在2点前结束，因此，如果Claiborn女士希望今天继续让其他债权人有机会提问，完全由她决定；或者我们现在就可以开始。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 录入于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 59 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\nBALDIGA先生： 我是Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。我们已将我们自己的译员延长至2点，因此，我们当然鼓励任何想提问的人利用这段时间。\nWOLMAN先生： 我是Jay Wolman（杰伊·沃尔曼）。我很乐意现在问一些问题。\n口译员： 抱歉，我没有听到您的姓名。\nWOLMAN先生： Jay Wolman，我代表Logan Chang（张洛根）。\n沃尔曼先生询问：\n问 下午好，Kwok先生。您是否记得大约一年前我对您进行了证言录取？\n答 我没有太多——\n口译员： 总有人在背景中说话。\n答 我没有太多证言录取。我不具体记得。\n问 没关系。我问了您若干问题，而您援引了美国宪法第五修正案赋予您的权利。您是否——\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 录入于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 60 页，共 83 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日 59\n理解这一点？\n口译员： 您和您的妻子什么？抱歉。\n问 您援引了美国宪法第五修正案赋予您的权利。您是否记得那一点？\nBALDIGA先生： 我们有一个翻译问题。请稍等一秒钟。\n（暂停。）\nBALDIGA先生： 我认为——我们的译员正在听这个翻译。就我们的理解而言，问题是您是否记得在先前一次证言录取中援引了第五修正案特权。这是我们听到的内容。能否请为Kwok先生的口译员按这种方式翻译？\n口译员： 抱歉，我可以再听一遍问题吗？\nWOLMAN先生： 当然可以。\n问 您是否记得在先前一次证言录取中援引美国宪法第五修正案？\n口译员： 抱歉，我没有清楚听到您说的话。\n问 您是否记得在先前一次证言录取中援引美国宪法第五——\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 录入于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 61 页，共 83 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日 60\n修正案？\n口译员： 在先前什么？抱歉。\nWOLMAN先生： 证言录取。D-E-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N。\n口译员： 证言录取。抱歉，请稍等。\n（暂停。）\n口译员： 好的。在先前的证言录取中什么？\n问 您是否记得援引您的第五修正案权利？\n口译员： 援引什么？\nWOLMAN先生： 其他所有人都能听到我吗，还是只有口译员听不到？\nCLAIBORN女士： 我是Holley。我能听到您。\nHARBACH先生： 我是David Harbach。我们能清楚听到您。\nBALDIGA先生： 债务人能听到您。这不是音量问题。\nWOLMAN先生： 是发音问题吗？我可以尝试——\n口译员： 口译员只是没有听到那个词。（听不清）换一种说法。\nWOLMAN先生： 我不能换一种说法。我需要——\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 62 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日 61\n您听到英文词语并将其翻译出来，女士。\n口译员： 好的。您能否请说慢一点？\n问 您是否记得在先前一次证言录取中援引您依据第五项，即第五修正案序数第五项——美国宪法第五修正案所享有的权利？\n口译员： 是invoke还是evoke？\nWOLMAN先生： 是invoke，I-N-V-O-K-E。好的，我们仍然有问题。\n身份不明者： 稍等。\n身份不明者： 刚才有人掉线了吗？\nCLAIBORN女士： Bin，您在吗？我是Holley。\nWOLMAN先生： Bin？\nCLAIBORN女士： Bin，您在吗？\n口译员： 喂。\nCLAIBORN女士： Bin，我是Holley Claiborn。\n口译员： 好的。我回来了。\nCLAIBORN女士： 好的。\n口译员： 我不知道发生了什么。\nCLAIBORN女士： 请继续。\n83\n\nBALDIGA先生： 口译员是否——我们——\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 63 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n我们不确定发生了什么。口译员是否和我们在一起？\n62 83\n\n口译员： 是的，口译员现在在这里。\n\nBALDIGA先生： 好的。谢谢。\n\n我的当事人刚才说了些什么，我不知道他说了什么，也不知道您是否在线听到了他说的话。如果您听到了，我希望您为我翻译。如果没有，您能否让我们商议一秒钟，以便我们弄清楚情况，因为刚才有很多混乱。\n\nWOLMAN先生： Bill，您能否请您的当事人重复一下他刚才说的话？\n\nBALDIGA先生： 不。\n\n口译员： 口译员希望他重复刚才所说的话，因为刚才突然间我有时听不到所有声音。\n\n我正在请这位先生重复他刚才说的话。\n\nKWOK先生： 刚才在您的问题中，您提到——您问我，我的妻子是否根据法律或宪法使用了什么。我不记得了。\n\nWOLMAN先生： 我完全没有提到他的妻子。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 64 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\nKWOK先生： 那么您刚才说了我的妻子吗？\n\nWOLMAN先生： 没有，那根本不是那一类的问题。\n\nBALDIGA先生： Wolman先生，我能否建议，您不如直接问您想问的任何问题，而不是问一年前发生的事情，因为这样没有任何进展。\n\nWOLMAN先生： 嗯，我将就所有与财务有关的问题重新问他；对于那些问题，他援引了第五修正案，我想确保他在今天作答时将此记在心中。\n\nBALDIGA先生： 是否有某种法律或什么？\n\nWOLMAN先生： 此时此刻，我不知道，但我向您表示，我正在做的正是这件事。我想确保您知道我将要做的事情。此时此刻，我不知道，但我向您表示，我正在做的正是这件事。因此，我想确保已适当告知您的当事人。\n沃尔曼先生询问：\n问 那么一年前——这个问题很长，Bin，请把它写下来，或者采取您需要采取的方式。让我说完后再翻译。\n口译员： 好的。不要零碎地翻译。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 65 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\nBALDIGA先生： 等一下。我想要翻译。\nWOLMAN先生： 我想要对此的翻译，我们将把这分成小段进行。因此，Bin，请为证人翻译，因为他必须听到全部内容。\n（翻译。）\n口译员： 是。\nWOLMAN先生： 谢谢。\n沃尔曼先生询问：\n问 一年前我问您是否受雇。您回答说，我一直是——\n口译员： 抱歉，您问我什么？\n问 您是否受雇？\n口译员： 背景噪音很多。我们能否请大家停止？\n问 一年前我问您是否受雇？\n口译员： 您受雇吗？\n问 一年前我问您是否受雇？您的回答是，我一直是某——的顾问。\n口译员： 抱歉。一年前我问您是否受雇？答案是什么？\n问 我一直是很多公司的顾问——\n口译员： 抱歉——\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 66 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n问 而我目前的工作是——我从事广播，并推翻中国共产党。这是一场广播革命。然后我问您，为此您获得多少报酬。我现在重新问这个问题。为此您获得多少报酬？\n口译员： 那么我必须从头开始，因为当您说一年前我问您是否受雇时，我没有听到“是”之后的词。\n问 您的回答是，我一直是很多公司的顾问，而我目前的工作是——他停顿了。我从事广播——\n口译员： 什么？抱歉？\n问 ——并推翻——\n口译员： 抱歉。\n问 我从事广播，并推翻中国共产党。这是一场广播革命。然后我问您，为此您获得多少——\n口译员： 请原谅，我无法——\nWOLMAN先生： 请原谅，我还没说完。为什么不行？\n口译员： 我试图澄清——\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 67 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\nWOLMAN先生： 为什么不行？\n口译员： ——我没有听到那些词。我知道这很简单，但太长了。我需要很长时间进行翻译。我高度集中。我有一个人脑。\nWOLMAN先生： 我习惯于译员边听边写下内容。\n口译员： 对此抱歉。让我翻译我听到的内容，然后我会问您其余部分。可以吗？\nWOLMAN先生： 可以。\n口译员： 好的。\n（翻译）\n口译员： 好的。我然后问您，为此您获得多少报酬，我现在再次问您，因为您援引了第五修正案，为此您获得多少报酬？\n（暂停。）\nBALDIGA先生： 好的。证人正在努力——嗯，问题是，您是否因这件事获得报酬？您可以回答这个问题。\nWOLMAN先生： 不是。我实际在问他，为此您获得多少报酬。他援引了第五——\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第 68 页，共\n2022年3月21日\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n修正案。我现在再次问这个问题。\n问 为此您获得多少报酬？\n答 完全没有钱。\n问 一年前我问您，Golden Spring（黄金泉）是什么。您回答说，它是一家纽约公司。然后我问您，您与该公司的关系是什么，因此我现在再次问那个问题。您与该公司的关系是什么？\n答 我不知道您所说的关系是什么意思。\n问 如果您不知道我所说的那个问题是什么意思，您去年为什么援引第五修正案？\nBALDIGA先生： 反对。我不会允许证人说明一年前就第五修正案所获得的法律意见。他已准备好回答您可能提出的任何问题。您在每一个问题中都加入三件事：对第五修正案的一些提及、一年前的一些谈话，以及一个关于现在的问题。可是，如果您提出一个更简单的问题，我认为这会进行得更有效率。这是您的选择。\nWOLMAN先生： 不。您的当事人是一名聪明人，是一名大商人，他是——\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 69 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n我相信他能够应付这些简单的问题。他是一个很老练的人。\n\n请按您希望的方式继续。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：（翻译被打断）\n\n去年我问过您——\n\n问：等一下。请稍候。Wolman（沃尔曼）先生，有一段翻译需要完成。请稍候。\n\n证人需要理解正在说的内容。\n\n（翻译）\n\n口译员：好的。请继续。\n\n问：您与 Golden Spring（黄金泉）之间是什么关系？\n\n答：我不明白您所说的“您的关系”是什么意思？我不知道如何回答您的问题。\n\n问：您知道“关系”这个词是什么意思吗？\n\n答：关系在中国意味着人与事物之间的联系。它可以是夫妻之间的关系，也可以是政府关系、金融关系、金钱关系，还可以是很多种关系。所以我不知道您指的是哪一种？是男女关系、金钱关系，还是别的什么？\n\n问：任何关系？是什么？您与 Golden Spring 之间是什么关系？\n\n答：（听不清）\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 70 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n口译员：抱歉？请再说一遍您最后那句话，因为刚才有人说话。\n\n问：任何关系，您与 Golden Spring 之间是什么关系？\n\n口译员：让我先完成翻译。\n\n答：现在的关系是，他借钱给我。他帮助我。\n\n问：他为什么这么做？\n\n答：因为我曾经是郭氏家族的一员。\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：我是 David Harbach。您能否请他重复一遍那个英文回答？\n\n口译员：因为我曾经是郭氏家族的一员。\n\n问：Golden Spring 是否支付郭氏家族任何其他成员的费用？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：郭氏家族的哪些其他成员？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：一年前，我问过您，Golden Spring 为什么为 Podhaskie（波德哈斯基）先生支付因其以个人身份向您提供服务所产生的费用，P-O-D-H-A-S-K-I-E。我现在再次问您。Golden Spring 为什么为 Podhaskie 先生支付因其以个人身份向您提供服务所产生的费用？\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 71 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—70\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：我是 Bill Baldiga。我理解 Podhaskie 先生可能是一名律师。我只需要与当事人商议一下，以确保他不会披露法律意见的实质内容。我只需一秒钟。\n\nWOLMAN（沃尔曼）先生：该问题并未要求作出此类回答。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：抱歉。证人可以回答该问题。\n\nKWOK（郭）先生：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾问过任何人，他们为什么付钱让他为您提供意见？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：去年我问过您，Golden Spring New York（黄金泉纽约）为什么代表您支付那份判决书；我指的是我的当事人 Cheng（程）先生对您取得的那份判决书。我现在再次问您，Golden Spring New York 为什么代表您支付那份判决书？\n\n答：是借来的钱。\n\n问：Golden Spring 为什么借给您那笔钱？\n\n答：我没有任何东西，所以我向他们借钱。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 72 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：Golden Spring 的钱从哪里来？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的任何资金从哪里来？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您的儿子拥有 Golden Spring，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您的儿子欠您钱吗？\n\n答：不欠。\n\n问：您的儿子如何获得为 Golden Spring 提供资金的钱？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾向您的儿子提供任何启动资金？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否曾投资于您儿子的任何企业？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Connecticut（康涅狄格州）何时成为您的住所？\n\n答：2020 年 2 月底或 3 月初。\n\n问：好的。而且您在这里对此很确定？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：自 February, 2020 或 March, 2020 起，那是否是您的主要住所？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：一年前我问过您是否拥有 Golden Spring New York 的任何权益。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 73 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：我现在再次问您。您是否拥有 Golden Spring New York 的任何权益？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：一年前我问过您，您是否是 Golden Spring New York Limited（黄金泉纽约有限公司）的高级职员。我现在再次问您。您是否是 Golden Spring New York Limited 的高级职员？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：一年前我问过您，Golden Spring 为什么会代表您支付 Attorney Aaron，即 Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）律师的费用。\n\n问：我现在再次问您，Golden Spring 为什么会代表您支付 Aaron Mitchell 律师的费用？\n\n口译员：他要我重复翻译。我会为他重复。\n\n答：一笔贷款。一笔贷款或借来的钱。\n\n问：他们为什么向您提供那笔贷款？\n\n答：我一直向他们借钱，因为我曾是该家族的一员。\n\n问：您从 Golden Spring 获得的任何贷款是否曾被书面记载？\n\n答：有些有，有些没有。\n\n问：哪些被书面记载过？好的。\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 74 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：您从 Golden Spring 获得过多少笔贷款？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：被书面记载的任何贷款是否为英文？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：其中是否有中文的？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您是否曾就这些贷款中的任何一笔提供任何担保权益作为质押？\n\n答：（听不清），是的，但我不记得（听不清）。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：您能否请他用英文重复该回答？\n\n口译员：他说（听不清），是的，但我不记得。\n\n问：如果您不记得金额——不记得您借过多少笔贷款，您如何能够在您的破产申报表中确认您欠他们多少？\n\n答：我没有完全听明白您的问题。\n\n问：如果您不知道自己向 Golden Spring 借过多少次款，其中并非所有贷款都有书面记录，您如何知道您欠他们多少？\n\n答：我的律师和 Golden Spring 的律师相互沟通。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 75 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n答：他们告诉我，他们能够确定的金额是 21 million。\n\n问：那么，Golden Spring 的律师协助准备了您的破产申请书？对吗？\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：抱歉打断一下。（听不清）两件事。\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：那么，这些信息是如何从 Golden Spring 进入您的破产申请书的？\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：对该问题提出异议。\n\n口译员：抱歉？\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：我对该问题提出异议。\n\nWOLMAN（沃尔曼）先生：我只是想弄清楚，他不知道的这些信息是如何出现在他的破产申请书中的？\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：我认为您已经听到了回答，即他的律师和 Golden Spring 的律师讨论过此事。您还有其他问题吗？\n\n问：有。您如何知道那个数字是正确的？\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：好的。请先让口译员翻译完，再提出另一个问题。\n\n口译员：好的。请继续。\n\n问：您如何知道那个数字是正确的？\n\n口译员：抱歉？什么数字？\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 76 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n问：填入您的破产申请书中、关于您据称欠 Golden Spring 的金额，您如何知道那是正确的？\n\n答：我相信我的律师的专业能力。他们会审查并核对所有数字。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：我是 Holley Claiborn。\n\n问：您知道被审查的文件吗？\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：抱歉打断一下。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：现在是 2 点钟。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：抱歉打断一下。这是 Holley Claiborn。\n\nWOLMAN（沃尔曼）先生：是的，谢谢。感谢您为耗尽时间而进行冗长发言。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：抱歉。那是对谁说的？那是相当不恰当的评论。\n\nWOLMAN（沃尔曼）先生：是对你说的。我是在对你说那句话。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：我想谈谈——\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：好的。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：——下一个日期。我原本想建议我们于 April 4th at 10:00 a.m. 在 New Haven（纽黑文）的 U.S. Trustee's Office（美国受托人办公室）当面重新召开会议。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 77 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：如果您给我一秒钟，我们可以开始查看日程安排。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：Bin（斌），您能翻译一下吗？\n\n口译员：我将再次向您确认，您还需要我在线一会儿，还是希望我退出登录？\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：如果您能继续一会儿，因为我们需要选定一个新的日期，所以我们需要您翻译，以便债务人理解。\n\n口译员：好的。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：抱歉。该请求是——抱歉。我只是想确保我听到的是——April 4 at 10 o'clock in Bridgeport（布里奇波特）？\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：April 4, 10 o'clock in New Haven at the U.S. Trustee's Office.\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：好的。我们会很快回复您。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：我现在实际上需要得到答复，因为我们需要能够通知债权人，而且我希望在我们今天结束之前每个人都知道。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：好的。我会让您稍候。\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：Claiborn 女士，我是 David Harbach。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 78 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：恐怕那天对我们不合适。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：Harbach 先生，是您吗？\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：是的，女士。我刚要说，我可以在 Wednesday, the 6th，或者那之后的任何一天出席。但我不能在 the 4th 或 the 5th 出席。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：Friday, April 8th 怎么样？\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：我是 David。我可以。\n\nWOLMAN（沃尔曼）先生：我是 Jay Wolman。我可以。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：Baldiga 律师，您能否请核实 April 8th？\n\n（暂停。）\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：Holley，我是 Dave Harbach。预计他们会再次回来。就此而言，我也可以在 March 的 28th、29 or 30 出席，如果那样更好。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：我是 Bill Baldiga。the 7th and 8th 是佛教节日，因此出于宗教原因，Kwok 先生那几天不能出席。我们会排除 the 4th。我确信有一些（听不清）。我想知道谁可以出席。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 于 04/22/22 提交 于 04/22/22 16:59:37 登记 第 79 页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—78\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：下周一 March 28th 怎么样？\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：Holley，关于您所说的 28th，我没有听清第二部分。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：我只是提出 the 28th 作为一个新日期。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：我是 Bill Baldiga。28、29 和 30 日，Kwok 先生有医疗问题，他在那些日子（听不清）。\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：Friday, April 15th 怎么样？\n\nHARBACH（哈巴赫）先生：我是 David Harbach。那天对我们可以。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：那是 Good Friday。对我而言是 Good Friday，对许多人而言是 Passover。我能否建议（听不清）？\n\nCLAIBORN（克莱伯恩）女士：我没有听到您的建议。抱歉。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：我谨请求我们回到 April 4。十几名律师中的一名律师和一名债权人不应当——\n\nWOLMAN（沃尔曼）先生：我是 Jay Wolman。我那天也已经有安排。\n\nBALDIGA（巴尔迪加）先生：（听不清）我知道，但有——\n\nWOLMAN（沃尔曼）先生：两名律师，包括我自己，83\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 登记于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第80页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 其正处于询问过程中。\n\nMR. BALDIGA（巴尔迪加先生）：\n2 好的。那我们继续研究。\n\n3 那么。\n\nMS. CLAIBORN（克莱伯恩女士）：\n4 April 6th 可以吗？\n\nMR. WOLMAN（沃尔曼先生）：\n5 刚才说的是哪一天？\n\nMS. CLAIBORN：\n6 April 6th？\n\nMR. HARBACH（哈巴赫先生）：\n7 我是 David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫）。我可以\n\n8 在 April 6th 出席。\n\n9 债务人也可以。\n\nMR. BALDIGA：\n10 我也可以。\n\nUNIDENTIFIED（身份不明者）：\n11 我将标记 April 6th 10:00 a.m.。地点在 New Haven（纽黑文）的 U.S. Trustee’s Office（美国受托人办公室）。\n\nMS. CLAIBORN：\n12 好的。这是线下进行。\n\n13 \n\n14 请预留通过安检的时间。我希望于 10:00 开始。\n\nMR. BALDIGA：\n16 我可以询问一下，\n\n17 您当天将预留多少时间，\n\n18 包括口译员的时间，以便我们安排吗？\n\nMS. CLAIBORN：\n19 我认为你们应当预留全天，但我\n\n20 还需要跟进并了解\n\n21 口译员的情况，我目前\n\n22 无法立即提供该信息。\n\nMR. BALDIGA：\n23 好的。会到 5\n\n24 o'clock 吗？\n\n25 我想，在我们结束时，可以停止记录。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 登记于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第81页，共\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—\n\n1 这显然由你决定。\n\nMS. CLAIBORN：\n2 好的。我认为，就 Bin（宾）今天提供的口译服务而言，\n\n3 我们已经\n\n4 结束了。\n\nTHE INTERPRETER（口译员）：\n5 谢谢。\n\nMS. CLAIBORN：\n6 非常感谢，Bin。祝你\n\n7 今天愉快。\n\nTHE INTERPRETER：\n8 谢谢。\n\nMS. CLAIBORN：\n9 我将停止录音，但我们可以\n\n10 继续留在线上。我将停止录音。\n\n11 谢谢。\n\n12 （会议结束。）\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 250-17 提交于 04/22/22 登记于 04/22/22 16:59:37 第82页，共\n\n本人，CHRISTINE FIORE（克里斯廷·菲奥雷），经法院批准的速录员及经认证的电子记录员和速录员，特此证明：上述内容系从上述案件程序的官方电子录音中制作的正确记录文本。\n\nChristine Fiore，CERT\n\n速录员\n\nApril 5, 2022\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— March 21, 2022 81\n\nMarch 21, 2022\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 82\n\n1 目录\n\n3 HO WAN KWOK 页码\n\n4 Claiborn\n由 Claiborn 女士询问 14\n\n5 由 Wolman 先生询问 58","key_entities":["Kwok","Ho Wan Kwok","Guo","Chinese Communist Party","Je","CIPA"],"ecf_references":[{"doc_number":1,"court":"CTB"},{"doc_number":78,"court":"CTB"},{"doc_number":79,"court":"CTB"}],"word_count":19943,"status":"published","published_at":"2022-04-22 00:00:00","created_at":"2022-04-22","updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:02:46"}