{"id":"court_ctb_3754_0","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":3754,"sub_number":0,"doc_type":"TRANSCRIPT","filed_date":"2024-10-28","title":"1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTIC","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION IN RE: . Chapter 11 . Case No. 22-50073 (JAM) HO WAN KWOK, *et al., .* . (Jointly Administered) Debtors. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Adv. Pro. No. 23-05017 (JAM) LUC A. DESPINS, *et al.,* . . Plaintiff, . Courtroom 123 . Brien McMahon Federal Building v. . 915 Lafayette Boulevard . Bridgeport, Connecticut 06604 TAURUS FUND LLC, *et al.*, . . Tuesday, October 22, 2024 Defendants. . 1:00 p.m. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . TRANSCRIPT OF HEARING BEFORE THE HONORABLE JULIE A. MANNING UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY JUDGE APPEARANCES: For the Chapter 11 Trustee: Patrick Linsey, Esquire NEUBERT PEPE & MONTEITH, P.C. 195 Church Street 13th Floor New Haven, Connecticut 06510 Luc A. Despins, Esquire PAUL HASTINGS, LLP 200 Park Avenue New York, New York 10166 (Continued) Case 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 1 of 20\n\n 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 For the U.S. Trustee: Holley L. Claiborn, Esquire UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES TRUSTEE The Giaimo Federal Building 150 Court Street, Room 302 New Haven, Connecticut 06510 For Ohtzar Shlomo Solomon Treasure: Jeffrey Hillman, Esquire LAW OFFICES OF JEFFREY HELLMAN, LLC 195 Church Street 10th Floor New Haven, Connecticut 06510 For ARI Americas, Inc.: Michael Conway, Esquire LAZARE POTTER GIACOVAS & MOYLE, LLP 747 3rd Avenue 16th Floor New York, New York 10017 Audio Operator: Electronically recorded Transcription Company: Reliable The Nemours Building 1007 N. Orange Street, Suite 110 Wilmington, Delaware 19801 Telephone: (302)654-8080 Email: [gmatthews@reliable-co.com](about:blank) Proceedings recorded by electronic sound recording, transcript produced by transcription service. Case 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 2 of 20\n\n 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 INDEX MOTIONS: PAGE Matter #3625: Application to Employ ENSafrica (Mauritius) 5 as Attorneys in Republic of Mauritius Filed by Luc A. Despins on behalf of Luc A. Despins, Chapter 11 Trustee Court's Ruling: 8 Matter #3646: Application to Employ Patrice Doger de 9 Speville, Senior Counsel, and William de Robillard, of Counsel as Barristers in Republic of Mauritius Filed by Luc A. Despins on behalf of Luc A. Despins, Chapter 11 Trustee Court's Ruling: 10 Matter #3602: Motion for Order Authorizing Chapter 11 13 Trustee to Sell Mahwah Mansion and Its Contents Subject to Further Orders Filed by Patrick R. Linsey on behalf of Luc A. Despins, Chapter 11 Trustee Matter #134: Motion for Order Authorizing Chapter 11 Trustee to Sell Mahwah Mansion and Its Contents Subject to Further Orders Filed by Patrick R. Linsey on behalf of Luc A. Despins, Plaintiff Transcriptionist's Certificate 20 Case 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 3 of 20\n\n 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Proceedings commenced at 1:07 p.m.) THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Case No. 22-50073, Ho Wan Kwok. Adversary No. 23-05017, Despins v. Taurus Funds. THE COURT: Good afternoon. If we could have appearances for the record please. MR. DESPINS: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Luc Despins, Chapter 11 Trustee. THE COURT: Good afternoon. MR. LINSEY: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Patrick Linsey of Neubert Pepe & Monteith, Connecticut counsel for the Trustee. THE COURT: Good afternoon. MS. CLAIBORN: Good afternoon. Holly Claiborn for the U.S. Trustee. THE COURT: Good afternoon. MR. HELMAN: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Jeffrey Hellman representing Ohtzar Shlomo Solomon Treasure LLC. THE COURT: Good afternoon. Okay. We have a few matters on the calendar today. I had seen some response to the motion to sell the Mahwah Mansion, but I would assume that -- would you like to proceed with the applications to employ first, Trustee Despins? MR. DESPINS: Yes, Your Honor. I can also give a little report on the Mahwah Mansion. Case 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 4 of 20\n\n| 1 | THE COURT:
Okay. | | | | | |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|--|\n| 2 | MR. DESPINS:
For the record Luc Despins, Chapter | | | | | |\n| 3 | 11 Trustee.
My partners, Nick Bassett and Mr. Conway, are in | | | | | |\n| 4 | the conference room outside trying to
reach agreement on the | | | | | |\n| 5 | form of an order regarding the Mahwah Mansion sale that would | | | | | |\n| 6 | also potentially address the objection by Solomon Treasure | | | | | |\n| 7 | represented here but we should know that in, maybe, | | | | | |\n| 8 | hopefully, 20 minutes or so. | | | | | |\n| 9 | THE COURT:
Okay.
That's fine.
If you need to | | | | | |\n| 10 | take time, we can take time. | | | | | |\n| 11 | MR. DESPINS:
I think its all for a good cause, so | | | | | |\n| 12 | I think that that would be good.
So, if we could start with | | | | | |\n| 13 | the applications, Your
Honor. | | | | | |\n| 14 | THE COURT:
Yes. | | | | | |\n| 15 | MR. DESPINS:
So, the first one --
both of them | | | | | |\n| 16 | are related to Mauritius.
So, let me explain what is going | | | | | |\n| 17 | on in Mauritius.
There is one of these Himalaya entity that | | | | | |\n| 18 | has a bank account with a bank called Silver Bank.
That | | | | | |\n| 19 | bank, Silver Bank, is in liquidation; some fraud issues | | | | | |\n| 20 | there.
We heard that the Himalaya entity has filed a motion | | | | | |\n| 21 | in that Court, the Mauritius Court, to have the funds in the | | | | | |\n| 22 | account.
The face amount of the funds is \\$15 million US, | | | | | |\n| 23 | transferred to an entity in Indonesia.
And, of course, from | | | | | |\n| 24 | our perspective, we know that that is not a good thing. | | | | | |\n| 25 | So, we filed an application to, because that is | | | | | |\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 the way to do it over there, to be approved as the foreign representative of the estate here over there in Mauritius, the same way we filed an application like that that was granted in the BVI in UK and in Switzerland. That application was granted. So, in order to do that we needed to retain counsel. So both, the UK system, a solicitor and barrister. That is what these applications are about today, Your Honor.\n\n9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 So, the first application, it can be found at Docket 3625, is the application to retain ENSafrica, which is the solicitor firm. We filed this application to have them retained as of September 17th. The application was filed on October 2nd. We have had discussions with the U.S. Trustee regarding modification to the proposed order to address some of the U.S. Trustees concerns and we did file, at Docket 3733, a revised proposed order to address the U.S. Trustees comments and I believe that the U.S. Trustee filed a no objection -- you know, the U.S. Trustee filed a statement that if certain revisions were made to the proposed order the U.S. Trustee would have no objection. That is at Docket 3711. And at Docket 3733 we filed these revisions and that is where the revised proposed order is.\n\n23 24 25 In effect, its to modify, through the order, some provisions of the standard retention terms for that firm. I am not going to bore you with all the details, but its really\n\n| 1 | to make sure that the order governs, as opposed to certain of | | | | | | |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|--|--|\n| 2 | the technical provisions of that standard terms of engagement | | | | | | |\n| 3 | and we understand that the Trustee, based on that, has no | | | | | | |\n| 4 | further objections
but I am sure we will hear from the U.S. | | | | | | |\n| 5 | Trustee in a second. | | | | | | |\n| 6 | So, that is the first application, Your Honor. So, | | | | | | |\n| 7 | let me see if the U.S. Trustee has any comments on this. | | | | | | |\n| 8 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you, Your
Honor.
Holley | | | | | | |\n| 9 | Claiborn for the U.S. Trustee. | | | | | | |\n| 10 | That is correct, the order that has been filed at | | | | | | |\n| 11 | 3733 does incorporate the changes that address the U.S. | | | | | | |\n| 12 | Trustees concerns. | | | | | | |\n| 13 | THE COURT:
Thank you. I am looking at 3733.
The | | | | | | |\n| 14 | only question I have with 3733 is there is a reference in the | | | | | | |\n| 15 | fifth line on the first page to Section 328.
Should there be | | | | | | |\n| 16 | a reference to Section 328? | | | | | | |\n| 17 | MR. DESPINS:
No.
I'm sorry, that should be 327. | | | | | | |\n| 18 | THE COURT:
No, its fine. I just wanted to ask the | | | | | | |\n| 19 | question because I didn't think there should be but -- | | | | | | |\n| 20 | MR. DESPINS:
Your right.
In the title as well, | | | | | | |\n| 21 | apologies. | | | | | | |\n| 22 | THE COURT:
The title as well, you're right.
I | | | | | | |\n| 23 | didn't pick it up in the title. I picked it up in the body. | | | | | | |\n| 24 | So, I have looked at the proposed order, the revised proposed | | | | | | |\n| 25 | order, and I assumed, and apparently correctly for once, that | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 8 of 20\n\n 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the U.S. Trustee is fine with this proposed order because it was filed after your statement. The only thing I would do then is ask, does anyone else wish to be heard in connection with the retention of these solicitors as counsel to the trustee? (No verbal response) THE COURT: All right. Hearing nothing, then what I would ask the Courtroom Deputy to do is we can use this -- I think we have a clean version, not just a redline version, of 3733, right? MR. DESPINS: Yes. THE COURT: So, we can take -- if you can delete Section 328 from the title and Section 328 from the fifth line of the first page of the order, and then on the second page of the order before it is \"hereby\" and say after a hearing held on October 22nd, please, 2024. Then I have no further changes to the order. Does anyone else have any further changes? (No verbal response) THE COURT: I think we have captured them all? MR. DESPINS: That's correct, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. Then the application is granted and the proposed order, 3733, is entered granting 3625 with the small edits noted on the record. MR. DESPINS: Thank you, Your Honor.\n\n| | 9 | | | | | | |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|--|--|\n| 1 | THE COURT:
Thank you. | | | | | | |\n| 2 | MR. DESPINS:
Moving onto the next application | | | | | | |\n| 3 | connected to Mauritius, it's
the application to retain two | | | | | | |\n| 4 | Barristers that worked together. You know, they are | | | | | | |\n| 5 | independent, but they work together. So, its Mr. Patrice de | | | | | | |\n| 6 | Speville and also Mr. de Robillard.
That retention will be | | | | | | |\n| 7 | effective as of September 11th.
The application was filed on | | | | | | |\n| 8 | October 7th at 3646, Your
Honor. | | | | | | |\n| 9 | You know, they explain the rationale --
these | | | | | | |\n| 10 | folks, you know, actually go to Court as opposed to the | | | | | | |\n| 11 | solicitors
that prepare the pleadings, etc., etc.
So, I know | | | | | | |\n| 12 | the U.S. Trustee has filed a statement of no objection at | | | | | | |\n| 13 | 3712.
So, we have no further comments on this application, | | | | | | |\n| 14 | Your
Honor. | | | | | | |\n| 15 | MS. CLAIBORN:
And I don't have anything else to | | | | | | |\n| 16 | add, Your
Honor. | | | | | | |\n| 17 | THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you. I am just looking, | | | | | | |\n| 18 | again, at the proposed order and it has that reference to 328 | | | | | | |\n| 19 | as well.
I don't think that you are intending 328. | | | | | | |\n| 20 | MR. DESPINS:
No, they're not an investment | | | | | | |\n| 21 | banker. | | | | | | |\n| 22 | THE COURT:
So, in the --
I am turning to the | | | | | | |\n| 23 | Courtroom Deputy then in the proposed order if we could | | | | | | |\n| 24 | delete the reference to 328 in the third line of the title | | | | | | |\n| 25 | and in the fifth line of the first page of the order.
Then | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | | |\n\n 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 on the second page of the order before it is \"hereby ordered\" that, you could add an after a hearing held on October 22nd, 2024. Does anyone else wish to be heard in connection with the application to employ the Barristers 3646? (No verbal response) THE COURT: Okay. Hearing nothing, then the application is granted and the proposed order with the minor change as noted on the record we will enter. MR. DESPINS: The only point I would make regarding, and its kind of a general point regarding these foreign proceedings, Your Honor, in a number of these - well, the same way it is in the US, you know, sometimes if you obtain an injunction you have to post a bond. Some in jurisdictions we have to do that, not in Mauritius but in other jurisdictions we may have to do that. So, there is always a risk to the estate. I just want to make sure there's full disclosure of that. I would say an editorial comment when we go outside of the jurisdiction not every Court is as attune to the history of two years plus that you are aware of. So, it is taking longer sometimes to get to the same point, but I want to make sure that Your Honor is aware of this. We are trying to be discreet in how we are doing this. You know, for example, in the BVI the son of the debtor tried to move the domicile of K Case 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 10 of 20\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 11 of 20\n\n 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Legacy. Remember K Legacy, the entity that owns the apartment in London. So, they are trying to change the domicile of that entity to the Marshall Islands where, again, we wouldn't have a chance of getting release over there, at least not on the same timeframe we can get in the BVI. We obtained an injunction to stop that so there is a lot of matters that are happening outside this courtroom that, you know, you know about it through the application process of counsel, but you don't know the full story. So, there is a lot of that going on. For example, there is one entity, Hamilton entity, which is related to Himalaya, that filed for -- its not a full bankruptcy in the UK but the equivalent of that and they have assets such as gold. We need to intervene there and oppose -- THE COURT: You have counsel there. MR. DESPINS: Yes, yes. I just want to make sure Your Honor knows that there is -- THE COURT: Right. I understand. I am just saying you don't need to hire anyone else right at the moment. MR. DESPINS: No. It is just that there is a number of these that are going on. In other jurisdictions they are moving forward so far so good. So, we will keep the Court updated, but I want to make sure you knew about these\n\n 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 various aspects. THE COURT: I appreciate that. Thank you. MR. DESPINS: Thank you, Your Honor. So, Mr. Bassett tells me that it probably would be wise to take a 15-minute recess. THE COURT: We can take as long as you would like. Well, I say that, that's not true. I am available, at least, for the next few hours. So, if you need time to talk -- MR. DESPINS: Don't tell us that. THE COURT: Well, I just said few. I didn't say for all of the rest of the day, right, just for the next few. I will be working on other things, so I think its fine. I think you should take a recess, use the time and then you can just let the Courtroom Deputy -- someone can just go into the Clerk's Office and let whoever is there, there may be a staff, a case administrator there, and just let them know that you are available to come back into the courtroom and we will come back into the courtroom. MR. DESPINS: Thank you, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. Then Court is in recess. THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: All rise. Court is in recess. (Recess taken at 1:21 p.m.) (Proceedings resumed at 2:28 p.m.) THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: All rise. Court is in Case 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 12 of 20\n\n 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 session after recess. THE COURT: Please be seated. All right. With regard to the remaining matters on today's calendar, which is the same motion, but one filed in the main case and one filed in Adversary Proceeding 23-05017. We took a recess because the parties had been discussing issues related to that motion. So, Trustee Despins, is there something you would like to report to the Court? MR. DESPINS: Yes, Your Honor. For the record Luc Despins, Chapter 11 Trustee. I would say we are a little bit more then mildly optimistic that we are going to have a final resolution as to this issue. We have proposed various consulting rights to Mr. Conway's clients. All of that is okay. There is one issue that is separating us now which is whether -- if there is a sale, whether the money should be held in an escrow account with all the bells and whistles of an escrow agreement with the third party being the escrow or whether it should be in the trustee account. I wanted the trustee account even though the order would say I cannot use it until you have entered an order saying so. The reason I wanted it in the account is because we have the special arrangement with our bank where we get 5 percent which is very beneficial. We are getting something Case 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 13 of 20\n\n1 2 3 4 5 like \\$300,000 of interest a month. Not on this sum, but generally on the sums that we hold. So, that is why -- so, Mr. Conway said he cannot agree to that provision without consulting with somebody else that may not be available today.\n\n6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 So, what we are proposing, what we are going to do is we already sent to the Courtroom Deputy address the order marked to show changes against the version attached to the motion with the language being in my favor. So, meaning with the language saying it shall be held in an interest-bearing account of the trustee and leave until, I believe we have agreed to, noon tomorrow for Mr. Conway to report back to us and to the Courtroom Deputy address whether he can live with that provision.\n\n15 16 17 18 That is the only issue that remains outstanding. And also, we have resolved, I should say, the issue involving Ohtzar Shlomo Solomon Treasure, which Mr. Hellman had raised. We have addressed that. He is okay with --\n\n19 20 21 22 23 THE COURT: In the order that is -- MR. DESPINS: Paragraph 5 to the order that is marked to show change. It was sent to the Courtroom Deputy address. THE COURT: Okay.\n\n24 25 MR. DESPINS: So, that is where we are, Your Honor.\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 3754 Filed 10/28/24 Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 Page 15 of 20\n\n 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: All right. So, how would you like to handle this? If Attorney Conway has no reports that the order that is submitted is fine to enter that is easy, but what if Attorney Conway reports that he does not have his clients consent to that? MR. DESPINS: I was hoping you were not going to ask that question. (Laughter) MR. DESPINS: Honestly -- THE COURT: That's fine. We can pretend I didn't. MR. DESPINS: -- at that point, I think we should -- THE COURT: You all can do what you want. You will tell the Court what your thoughts are at that point. So, I appreciate, obviously, the time that has been spent by the parties in trying to resolve these issues. I understand there is still this final issue and we will see how that works out tomorrow. Aside from the matters that are dealing on today's calendar we do have -- and the reason -- I am talking about this to you now, both Attorney Hellman, Attorney Conway, you know, its up to you if you want to leave you are welcome to. MR. HELLMAN: I would ask to be excused, Your Honor. THE COURT: Yes, go ahead. It has nothing to do\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with any of your clients. It has to do with the avoidance adversary proceedings and some matters coming up on the calendar. What is on the 12th there is a lot of applications for compensation. They may have to be continued for a week due to a scheduling conflict. So, I wanted you to know that. MR. DESPINS: Thank you. THE COURT: Attorney Conway, you are welcome to stay or go. Whatever works for you. MR. CONWAY: Your Honor, I would just ask there is some avoidance -- mediation stuff that that -- we were supposed to come back, I think, on the 19th or something. I was wondering if that was one of the ones you were going to talk about. THE COURT: No. I am talking about things that are scheduled for the 5th and the 12th. The 12th likely everything that is on the calendar, whether its in the main case or in an adversary proceeding its likely that all those matters are going to be continued to the 19th. MR. CONWAY: So, yeah, I don't need to stay. THE COURT: With regard to the 5th it has -- I just have like procedural questions for Trustee Despins, nothing substantive. MR. CONWAY: Thank you, Your Honor. I will excuse myself. THE COURT: All right. Thank you. And I\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 appreciate your efforts today, Attorney Conway. Thank you. MR. CONWAY: Thank you, Your Honor. THE COURT: So, the 12th looks like its probably all going to get continued to the 19th. Is that a problem from the U.S. Trustees perspective? MS. CLAIBORN: No. I would just like to take advantage of the extra week. The applications that are on for hearing on the 12th would have an objection deadline of the 5th. So, if we are going to move it by a week, if I could have my objection moved out by a week, that would be tremendously beneficial. THE COURT: Yeah, you all will know before the end of this week, but I just wanted to give you a heads up that it's likely that everything on the 12th is going to have to be continued. Now, there also may be matters that get continued on the 12th to the 19th that if there are no objections filed that maybe the Court can take those on the papers and/or have a virtual hearing especially if its all about compensation, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. MR. DESPINS: Okay. THE COURT: With regard to the 5th of November, which is the next time at this moment, that there is anything scheduled in the main cases or in the adversaries I think, again, there are definitely matters, at least at this point,\n\n| 1 | that appear are going to go forward.
There are matters that | | | | | | |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------------------|--|--|--|--|--|--|\n| 2 | may or may not end up in agreement, I don't know.
All I am | | | | | | |\n| 3 | raising is if you have an agreement on anything on the 5th | | | | | | |\n| 4 | just try to file some agreement or some notification about | | | | | | |\n| 5 | it, if you can, by the midday on the 4th. | | | | | | |\n| 6 | MR. DESPINS:
Will do, Your
Honor. | | | | | | |\n| 7 | THE COURT:
That is all I wanted to say.
I just | | | | | | |\n| 8 | wanted to give you a heads up of that. | | | | | | |\n| 9 | MR. DESPINS:
As to the 12th? | | | | | | |\n| 10 | THE COURT:
Yeah, the 12th is highly likely that | | | | | | |\n| 11 | its going to be continued to the 19th.
All that being said, | | | | | | |\n| 12 | as I said just a moment ago, a lot of the things on the 12th | | | | | | |\n| 13 | might be able to be handled virtually and/or on the papers if | | | | | | |\n| 14 | there
are no objections. The objection deadline has passed | | | | | | |\n| 15 | and no one files an objection, and if everything is in order, | | | | | | |\n| 16 | okay. | | | | | | |\n| 17 | MR. DESPINS:
Okay, Your Honor. | | | | | | |\n| 18 | THE COURT:
Is there anything else we need to | | | | | | |\n| 19 | address this afternoon? | | | | | | |\n| 20 | MR. DESPINS:
Not at this time, Your
Honor. Thank | | | | | | |\n| 21 | you. | | | | | | |\n| 22 | THE COURT:
Okay.
Well, then thank you all.
We | | | | | | |\n| 23 | will see how things go in the next few weeks and you will | | | | | | |\n| 24 | defiantly
know by the end of this week about the 12th because | | | | | | |\n| 25 | we will just do a docket entry due to a scheduling conflict | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | | Doc 3754 | Filed 10/28/24 | Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 | | Page 19 of 20 |\n|---------------|------------|----------|----------------------------------------------------|---------------------------|------------------|---------------|\n| | | | | | | 19 |\n| 1 | | | its continued to the 19th. | | | |\n| 2 | | | MR. DESPINS: | Thank you, Your | Honor. | |\n| 3 | | | THE COURT: | Thank you all. | That is the last | |\n| 4 | | | matter on today's calendar, so Court is adjourned. | | | |\n| 5 | | | THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: | | All rise. | Court is |\n| 6 | adjourned. | | | | | |\n| 7 | | | (Proceedings concluded at 2:36 p.m.) | | | |\n| 8 | | | | | | |\n| 9 | | | | | | |\n| 10 | | | | | | |\n| 11 | | | | | | |\n| 12 | | | | | | |\n| 13 | | | | | | |\n| 14 | | | | | | |\n| 15 | | | | | | |\n| 16 | | | | | | |\n| 17 | | | | | | |\n| 18 | | | | | | |\n| 19 | | | | | | |\n| 20 | | | | | | |\n| 21 | | | | | | |\n| 22 | | | | | | |\n| 23 | | | | | | |\n| 24 | | | | | | |\n| 25 | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | | Doc 3754 | Filed 10/28/24 | Entered 10/28/24 12:46:00 | | Page 20 of 20 | | | |\n|---------------|------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------|-----------------------------------------|--|------------------|--|--|--|\n| | | | | | | 20 | | | |\n| 1 | | | | CERTIFICATION | | | | | |\n| 2 | | I | | certify that the foregoing is a correct | | | | | |\n| 3 | | transcript from the electronic sound recording of the | | | | | | | |\n| 4 | | proceedings in the above-entitled matter to the best of my | | | | | | | |\n| 5 | knowledge and ability. | | | | | | | | |\n| 6 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 7 | | /s/ William J. Garling | | | | October 23, 2024 | | | |\n| 8 | | | William J. Garling, CET-543 | | | | | | |\n| 9 | | | Certified Court Transcriptionist | | | | | | |\n| 10 | | For Reliable | | | | | | | |\n| 11 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 12 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 13 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 14 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 15 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 16 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 17 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 18 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 19 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 20
21 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 22 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 23 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 24 | | | | | | | | | |\n| 25 | | | | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | | | | |\n| | | | | | | | | | |","body_zh":"1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25\n\n美国联邦破产法院\n康涅狄格区\n布里奇波特分部\n\n关于：\n\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）等人， 第11章\n 案号：22-50073 (JAM)\n债务人。 \n （合并管理）\n\n 对抗程序案号：23-05017 (JAM)\n\nLUC A. DESPINS（卢克·A·德斯平斯）等人，\n原告， 123号法庭\n 布里恩·麦克马洪联邦大楼\n诉 拉斐特大道915号\n 康涅狄格州布里奇波特 06604\nTAURUS FUND LLC（Taurus Fund有限责任公司）等人，\n被告。 2024年10月22日，星期二\n 下午1:00\n\n在尊敬的 JULIE A. MANNING（朱莉·A·曼宁）法官前举行听证会之笔录\n美国联邦破产法官\n\n出庭人员：\n\n代表第11章受托人：\n\nPatrick Linsey, Esquire\nNEUBERT PEPE & MONTEITH, P.C.\nChurch Street 195号\n13层\n康涅狄格州纽黑文 06510\n\nLuc A. Despins, Esquire\nPAUL HASTINGS, LLP\nPark Avenue 200号\n纽约州纽约市 10166\n\n（续）\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第 1 页，共 20 页\n\n2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25\n\n代表美国受托人：\n\nHolley L. Claiborn, Esquire\n美国司法部\n美国受托人办公室\nGiaimo联邦大楼\nCourt Street 150号，302室\n康涅狄格州纽黑文 06510\n\n代表 Ohtzar Shlomo Solomon Treasure（奥扎尔·所罗门宝藏）：\n\nJeffrey Hillman, Esquire\nLAW OFFICES OF JEFFREY HELLMAN, LLC\nChurch Street 195号\n10层\n康涅狄格州纽黑文 06510\n\n代表 ARI Americas, Inc.（ARI美洲公司）：\n\nMichael Conway, Esquire\nLAZARE POTTER GIACOVAS & MOYLE, LLP\n3rd Avenue 747号\n16层\n纽约州纽约市 10017\n\n音频操作员：电子录音\n\n笔录公司：\nReliable\nNemours大楼\nN. Orange Street 1007号，110套间\n特拉华州威尔明顿 19801\n电话：(302)654-8080\n电子邮箱：[gmatthews@reliable-co.com]\n\n程序以电子录音方式记录，笔录由笔录服务机构制作。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第 2 页，共 20 页\n\n3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25\n\n目录\n\n动议： 页码\n\n事项 #3625：聘用 ENSafrica (Mauritius) 5\n作为毛里求斯共和国律师的申请\n由 Luc A. Despins 代表 Luc A. Despins、第11章受托人提交\n法院裁定： 8\n\n事项 #3646：聘用 Patrice Doger de 9\nSpeville、高级法律顾问，以及 William de Robillard、\n顾问律师，作为毛里求斯共和国出庭律师的申请\n由 Luc A. Despins 代表 Luc A. Despins、第11章受托人提交\n法院裁定： 10\n\n事项 #3602：授权第11章 13\n受托人出售 Mahwah Mansion（马瓦宅邸）及其内部物品、\n但须遵守进一步命令的裁定动议\n由 Patrick R. Linsey 代表 Luc A. Despins、第11章受托人提交\n\n事项 #134：授权第11章受托人出售 Mahwah Mansion 及其内部物品、\n但须遵守进一步命令的裁定动议\n由 Patrick R. Linsey 代表 Luc A. Despins、原告提交\n\n笔录员证明书 20\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第 3 页，共 20 页\n\n4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25\n\n（程序于下午1:07开始。）\n\n法庭书记员：案号 22-50073，Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）。对抗程序案号 23-05017，Despins（德斯平斯）诉 Taurus Funds（Taurus基金）。\n\n法庭：下午好。请各方为记录出庭。\n\nDESPINS先生：下午好，法官阁下。Luc Despins，第11章受托人。\n\n法庭：下午好。\n\nLINSEY先生：下午好，法官阁下。Patrick Linsey，来自 Neubert Pepe & Monteith，受托人的康涅狄格州律师。\n\n法庭：下午好。\n\nCLAIBORN女士：下午好。Holly Claiborn，代表美国受托人。\n\n法庭：下午好。\n\nHELMAN先生：下午好，法官阁下。Jeffrey Hellman，代表 Ohtzar Shlomo Solomon Treasure LLC（奥扎尔·所罗门宝藏有限责任公司）。\n\n法庭：下午好。好的。我们今天日程上有几项事项。我看到了对出售 Mahwah Mansion 的动议作出的一些回应，但我想——Despins受托人，您是否希望先处理聘用申请？\n\nDESPINS先生：是，法官阁下。我也可以就 Mahwah Mansion 作一个简短报告。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第 4 页，共 20 页\n\n1 法庭：\n好的。\n\n2 DESPINS先生：\n为记录起见，Luc Despins，第\n3 第11章受托人。\n我的合伙人 Nick Bassett 和 Conway先生正在外面的\n4 会议室，试图就一项关于\nMahwah Mansion出售的命令文本达成协议，该命令\n5 还可能处理由在此出庭代理的 Solomon Treasure\n6 提出的异议；但我们大概、\n7 希望在大约20分钟左右就能知晓结果。\n8 \n\n9 法庭：\n好的。这没问题。如果您需要\n10 一些时间，我们可以留出时间。\n\n11 DESPINS先生：\n我认为这都是为了正当目的，\n12 所以我认为这样做是好的。那么，如果可以，我们先处理\n13 这些申请，法官阁下。\n\n14 法庭：\n可以。\n\n15 DESPINS先生：\n那么，第一项申请——这两项\n16 都与毛里求斯有关。因此，请允许我说明\n17 毛里求斯正在发生的情况。有一个 Himalaya 实体\n18 在一家名为 Silver Bank 的银行设有账户。该\n19 银行 Silver Bank 正在清算中；那里存在一些欺诈问题。\n20 我们获悉，该 Himalaya 实体已向该法院，即毛里求斯法院，提出动议，\n21 请求将账户中的资金\n22 按面值为 $15 million US，\n23 转移给印度尼西亚的一家实体。当然，从\n24 我们的角度看，我们知道那不是一件好事。\n25 因此，我们提出了一项申请，因为那是\n\n1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 在当地的办理方式，以获准作为本案破产财产在毛里求斯的外国代表，这与我们此前提出类似申请并获准在英属维尔京群岛、英国和瑞士担任外国代表的方式相同。该申请已获准。因此，为此我们需要聘请律师。因此，这两项申请涉及的是英国制度中的两类律师，即事务律师和出庭律师。法官阁下，这就是今天这些申请的内容。\n\n9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 我们的第一项申请可见于案卷编号 3625，是聘用 ENSafrica 的申请，该所是一家事务律师事务所。我们提出该申请，请求自9月17日起聘用该所。该申请于10月2日提交。我们已与美国受托人讨论对拟议命令作出修改，以解决美国受托人的一些关切；我们确实已在案卷编号 3733 提交了一份修订后的拟议命令，以回应美国受托人的意见。我相信美国受托人提交了一份不反对声明——也就是说，美国受托人提交了一份声明，表示若对拟议命令作出某些修订，美国受托人将不提出异议。该声明见案卷编号 3711。我们在案卷编号 3733 提交了这些修订，修订后的拟议命令即载于该处。\n\n23 24 25 实际上，这是通过该命令修改该律师事务所标准聘用条款中的某些规定。我不打算用所有细节让您感到厌烦，但实质上是\n\n1 确保该命令优先适用，而不是该标准聘用条款中的某些\n\n2 技术性规定；我们理解美国\n3 受托人据此不再提出任何异议，\n4 但我相信我们很快会听取美国\n5 受托人的意见。\n\n6 因此，这是第一项申请，法官阁下。那么，\n7 我想看看美国受托人是否对此有任何意见。\n\n8 CLAIBORN女士：\n谢谢您，法官\n9 阁下。Holley Claiborn，代表美国受托人。\n\n10 情况属实，已在\n11 3733提交的命令确实纳入了回应美国\n12 受托人关切的修改。\n\n13 法庭：\n谢谢。我正在看3733。\n14 我唯一的问题是，在第一页第五行\n15 提到了第328条。是否应当\n16 提到第328条？\n\n17 DESPINS先生：\n不。抱歉，应当是第327条。\n\n18 法庭：\n不，没关系。我只是想问这个\n19 问题，因为我认为不应当提到，但——\n\n20 DESPINS先生：\n您是对的。在标题中也是如此，\n21 抱歉。\n\n22 法庭：\n标题中也是如此，您是对的。我\n23 没有在标题中发现它。我是在正文中发现的。\n24 因此，我已审阅该拟议命令、修订后的拟议\n25 命令，并且我曾假定，而且显然这一次假定正确，\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第 8 页，共 20 页\n\n8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 美国受托人对这份拟议命令没有异议，因为它是在您的声明之后提交的。那么，我唯一要做的是询问，是否还有其他人希望就聘用这些事务律师担任受托人律师一事发表意见？\n\n（无口头回应）\n\n法庭：好的。既然没有人发言，那么我请法庭书记员做的是，我们可以使用这份——我认为我们有3733的干净版本，而不只是标注修改的版本，对吗？\n\nDESPINS先生：是。\n\n法庭：那么，我们可以——请您从标题中删除第328条，并从命令第一页第五行中删除第328条；然后在命令第二页“hereby”一词之前，加入“在2024年10月22日举行听证会后”，请。除此之外，我不再对该命令作出修改。还有其他人有进一步修改吗？\n\n（无口头回应）\n\n法庭：我认为我们已经全部处理到了，对吗？\n\nDESPINS先生：正确，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：好的。那么，该申请获准，并录入拟议命令3733，以经记录说明的小幅修改准许3625。\n\nDESPINS先生：谢谢您，法官阁下。\n\n1 法庭：\n谢谢。\n\n2 DESPINS先生：\n转入下一项与毛里求斯有关的\n3 申请，即聘用两名\n4 共同工作的出庭律师的申请。也就是说，他们\n5 是独立的，但他们共同工作。因此，是 Patrice de\n6 Speville先生以及 de Robillard先生。\n该聘用将\n7 自9月11日起生效。该申请于\n8 10月7日以3646号提交，法官阁下。\n\n9 也就是说，他们说明了理由——这些\n10 人士实际上出庭，而不是那些\n11 负责准备诉状等文件的事务律师。\n12 我知道美国受托人已在\n13 3712提交不反对声明。因此，我们对该申请没有进一步意见，\n14 法官阁下。\n\n15 CLAIBORN女士：\n我也没有任何补充，\n16 法官阁下。\n\n17 法庭：\n好的。谢谢。我再次查看\n18 拟议命令，其中也提到了328。\n19 我认为您无意援引328。\n\n20 DESPINS先生：\n不是，他们不是投资\n21 银行家。\n\n22 法庭：\n那么，在——我转向\n23 法庭书记员，因此，在拟议命令中，请\n24 从标题第三行\n25 及命令第一页第五行删除对328的提及。然后\n\n在命令的第二页，于“特此命令”之前，你们可以加上“在2024年10月22日举行听证会后”。是否还有其他人希望就聘用Barristers 3646（Barristers 3646）的申请发表意见？（无口头回应）法庭：好的。既然无人发言，该申请获准，拟议命令将按记录中所述的微小修改予以签发。\n\nDESPINS先生：法官阁下，关于这些外国程序，我只想说明一点——这也是一个一般性问题。在其中若干程序中，嗯，就像在美国一样，您知道，有时如果获得禁令，您必须提供保证金。在某些司法辖区我们必须这样做；在毛里求斯无需如此，但在其他司法辖区我们可能必须这样做。因此，遗产财产始终面临风险。我只是想确保对此作出充分披露。我想作一点评论：当我们走出本司法辖区时，并非每个法院都像您一样了解两年多来的历史。因此，有时达到同一阶段需要更长时间，但我想确保法官阁下知悉这一点。我们正努力以谨慎方式处理此事。例如，在英属维尔京群岛，债务人的儿子试图变更K Legacy（K Legacy）的住所地。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第10页，共20页\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第11页，共20页\n\nLegacy。记得K Legacy吗，就是拥有伦敦那套公寓的实体。因此，他们正试图将该实体的住所地变更至马绍尔群岛；在那里，我们同样没有机会获得救济，至少无法像在英属维尔京群岛那样在相同时间框架内获得救济。我们已取得禁令以阻止该行为。因此，本法庭之外正发生许多事项；您通过律师的申请程序了解这些事项，但并不了解完整情况。因此，确有许多这类事情正在发生。例如，有一个与喜马拉雅有关联的Hamilton实体（Hamilton entity），已申请——这并非英国的完整破产程序，但与之相当——而且其拥有诸如黄金等资产。我们需要介入并提出反对——\n\n法庭：你们在那里有律师。\n\nDESPINS先生：有，有。我只是想确保法官阁下知道，有——\n\n法庭：对，我明白。我只是说，目前你们无需再聘请其他人。\n\nDESPINS先生：不。只是有若干此类事项正在进行。在其他司法辖区，它们正在推进，目前一切顺利。因此，我们会持续向法庭更新情况，但我想确保您知道这些各个方面。\n\n法庭：我对此表示感谢。谢谢。\n\nDESPINS先生：谢谢，法官阁下。因此，Bassett先生（巴塞特先生）告诉我，或许明智的做法是休庭15分钟。\n\n法庭：你们想休庭多久都可以。嗯，我这么说并不准确。至少在接下来的几个小时内我都有时间。因此，如果你们需要时间交谈——\n\nDESPINS先生：别告诉我们这个。\n\n法庭：嗯，我刚才只说了几个小时。我没有说今天余下的所有时间，对吧，只是接下来的几个小时。我会处理其他事项，所以我认为没有问题。我认为你们应当休庭，利用这段时间，然后你们可以通知法庭书记员——有人可以到书记官办公室，告知在场的任何人，那里可能有工作人员或案件管理员，告诉他们你们可以返回法庭，然后我们将回到法庭。\n\nDESPINS先生：谢谢，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：好的。那么现在休庭。\n\n法庭书记员：全体起立。现在休庭。\n\n（于下午1:21休庭。）\n\n（于下午2:28恢复开庭。）\n\n法庭书记员：全体起立。休庭后恢复开庭。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第12页，共20页\n\n法庭：请坐。好的。关于今日日程中其余事项，即同一项动议，但一项在主案件中提交，另一项在对抗程序23-05017中提交。我们休庭，是因为各方一直在讨论与该动议有关的问题。因此，Despins受托人（卢克·德斯平斯），您是否有事项要向法庭报告？\n\nDESPINS先生：是，法官阁下。为记录在案，我是第11章受托人Luc Despins（卢克·德斯平斯）。我想说，我们对这一问题将达成最终解决方案持略高于温和程度的乐观态度。我们已向Conway先生（康威先生）的客户提出各种协商权。所有这些都没有问题。现在使我们分歧的一个问题是：如果发生出售，款项是否应当存入由第三方担任托管人的托管账户，并配备托管协议的全部安排，还是应当存入受托人账户。我希望存入受托人账户，即使命令会写明，在您签发命令允许之前，我不得使用该款项。我希望将其存入该账户的原因是，我们与银行有一项特别安排，可获得5 percent，这十分有利。通常对于我们持有的款项，我们每月获得大约$300,000的利息。不是就这笔款项而言，而是通常就我们持有的款项而言。因此，这就是原因——所以，Conway先生说，在未与今天可能无法联系到的其他人协商之前，他无法同意该条款。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第13页，共20页\n\n因此，我们的提议，即我们将要采取的做法是：我们已将命令发送至法庭书记员的电子邮件地址，其中标明了相对于动议所附版本的修改，且措辞对我方有利。也就是说，措辞规定款项应存放于受托人的计息账户中，并且我们同意，我相信，我们已同意，留至明日中午由Conway先生向我们和法庭书记员的电子邮件地址回复，说明他是否能接受该条款。\n\n这是唯一尚未解决的问题。此外，我还应当说，我们已解决Hellman先生（赫尔曼先生）提出的、涉及Ohtzar Shlomo Solomon Treasure（Ohtzar Shlomo Solomon Treasure）的问题。我们已对此作出处理。他同意——\n\n法庭：在那份——\n\nDESPINS先生：标明修改的命令第5段。已发送至法庭书记员的电子邮件地址。\n\n法庭：好的。\n\nDESPINS先生：法官阁下，情况就是这样。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第15页，共20页\n\n法庭：好的。那么你们希望如何处理？如果Conway律师（康威律师）报告说，提交的命令可以签发，那就很容易；但如果Conway律师报告说，他没有得到客户对该事项的同意呢？\n\nDESPINS先生：我原本希望您不会问这个问题。（笑声）\n\nDESPINS先生：坦率地说——\n\n法庭：没关系。我们可以假装我没有问。\n\nDESPINS先生：——在那种情况下，我认为我们应当——\n\n法庭：你们可以自行决定如何做。届时你们将向法庭说明你们的想法。因此，我显然感谢各方为试图解决这些问题所投入的时间。我理解仍有这一最终问题，我们将看明天如何解决。除了今日日程所涉事项外，我们还有——我现在与各位谈论此事的原因是，Hellman律师、Conway律师，您知道，如果你们想离开，由你们决定，欢迎离开。\n\nHELLMAN先生：法官阁下，我请求准许离席。\n\n法庭：是，请便。这与您的任何客户都无关。这涉及撤销权对抗程序以及日程中即将出现的一些事项。12日安排了许多报酬申请。由于日程冲突，它们可能必须延至一周后。因此，我想让你们知悉此事。\n\nDESPINS先生：谢谢。\n\n法庭：Conway律师，您可以留下或离开。以您方便为准。\n\nCONWAY先生：法官阁下，我只是想问，有一些撤销权——调解事项，我们原定，我想是在19日左右回来。我想知道那是否是您准备谈论的事项之一。\n\n法庭：不是。我谈论的是安排在5日和12日的事项。12日，日程上的所有事项，无论是在主案件中还是在对抗程序中，都很可能将全部延至19日。\n\nCONWAY先生：那么，是的，我无需留下。\n\n法庭：关于5日，我只是有一些要问Despins受托人的程序性问题，没有任何实体性问题。\n\nCONWAY先生：谢谢，法官阁下。我将告退。\n\n法庭：好的。谢谢。而且我感谢您今天所作的努力，Conway律师。谢谢。\n\nCONWAY先生：谢谢，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：那么，12日看来可能全部都将延至19日。从美国受托人（U.S. Trustee）的角度看，这有问题吗？\n\nCLAIBORN女士（克莱伯恩女士）：没有。我只是希望利用多出的一周。安排在12日听证的申请，其异议截止日期将是5日。因此，如果我们将其推迟一周，如果我的异议期限也能延后一周，将极为有利。\n\n法庭：是的，你们将在本周结束前知道，但我只是想提醒你们，12日的所有事项很可能都必须延期。现在，也可能有从12日延期至19日的事项，如果没有提出异议，法庭或许可以根据书面材料处理这些事项，和/或举行远程听证，特别是如果全部都涉及报酬问题；但届时再作处理。\n\nDESPINS先生：好的。\n\n法庭：关于11月5日，即目前主案件或对抗程序中下一次安排任何事项的日期，我认为，再次强调，至少目前看来，确有事项将继续进行。\n\n有些事项可能最终达成协议，也可能不会，我不知道。我所要说的是，如果你们对5日的任何事项达成协议，如有可能，请在4日中午前就此提交某种协议或通知。\n\nDESPINS先生：会的，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：这就是我想说的全部。我只是想提醒你们这一点。\n\nDESPINS先生：关于12日？\n\n法庭：是的，12日极有可能延期至19日。尽管如此，正如我刚才所说，12日的许多事项如无人提出异议，可能可以通过远程方式和/或根据书面材料处理。异议期限届满后无人提出异议，并且一切手续齐备，那么可以。\n\nDESPINS先生：好的，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：今天下午还有其他需要处理的事项吗？\n\nDESPINS先生：目前没有，法官阁下。谢谢。\n\n法庭：好的。那么谢谢各位。接下来几周我们将视情况发展而定；关于12日，你们将在本周结束前明确知道，因为由于日程冲突，我们将作出一项案卷记录。\n\n案件 22-50073 文书 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第19页，共20页\n\n1 延期至19日。\n\n2 DESPINS先生（德斯平斯）： 谢谢您，法官阁下。\n3 法庭： 谢谢各位。这是今日审判日程上的最后一项事项，现休庭。\n5 法庭助理书记员： 全体起立。现休庭。\n7 （庭审程序于下午2:36结束。）\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 3754 提交日期 10/28/24 录入日期 10/28/24 12:46:00 第20页，共20页\n\n1 证明\n2 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