{"id":"court_ctb_392_3","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":392,"sub_number":3,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":null,"title":"EXHIBIT 45 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x WENGUI GUO","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **EXHIBIT 45**\n\n IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x WENGUI GUO, : Plaintiff, : vs. : Case No. 1:18-CV-01064-TSE-IDD BAOSHENG GUO, : Defendant. : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x January 23, 2019 Washington, D.C. VIDEO DEPOSITION OF: WENGUI GUO Was called for examination by counsel for the Defendant, pursuant to notice, in the offices of, Zechner, Ellman & Krause, 409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300, Washington, D.C., commencing at 10:08 a.m., before Carolyn Friend, a Notary Public in and for the District of Columbia, when were present on behalf of the respective parties:\n\n> 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 2 APPEARANCES: J. DAVID MORRISSY, ESQUIRE Zeichner, Ellman & Krause, LLP 409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300 Washington, D.C. 20004 (202) 783-0316 dmorrissy@zeklaw.com COUNSEL FOR THE PLAINTIFF JOHN C. ALTMILLER, ESQUIRE Pesner Kawamoto, PLC 7926 Jones Branch Road, Suite 930 McLean, Virginia 22102 (703) 506-9440 jaltmiller@pesnerkawamoto.com COUNSEL FOR THE DEFENDANT ALEXANDER LAUFER, ESQUIRE Eisenhower & Laufer, P.C. 10560 Main Street, Suite 218 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 (703) 352-9690 alex.laufer.elpc@gmail.com COUNSEL FOR THE DEFENDANT ALSO PRESENT: Helen Cole, Interpreter; David Voigtsberger, Video Operator; Una Wilkinson, Check Interpreter; Daniel Podhaskie C O N T E N T S WITNESS: EXAMINATION BY: PAGE: Wengui Guo Mr. Altmiller 4 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 3 E X H I B I T S NO.: DESCRIPTION: PAGE: 1 Web page 75 2 Copy of photographs 80 3 Certification of translation 83 4 New York Times article 105 5 Answers to Interrogatories 107 6 Request for Production of Documents 111 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 4 P R O C E E D I N G S (Whereupon, a statement was read by Video Operator.) MR. ALTMILLER: John Altmiller. I represent the Defendant, Baosheng Guo. MR. MORRISSY: David Morrissy from Zeichner, Ellman & Krause. We represent the Plaintiff, Deponent. (Whereupon, the Interpreter was sworn.) Whereupon: WENGUI GUO, Was called for examination, and, after being duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANT BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q Would you, please, state your name?** A Guo Wengui.  **Q And is that your current legal name?** A The legal name is Guo Haoyun. It's Hong 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 5 Kong pronunciation, Guo Haoyun.  **Q And that is the name that is on your Hong Kong passport; is that correct?** A Yes.  **Q And where do you currently live?** A New York, 5th Avenue, Number 781.  **Q And how long have you lived there?** A Four years.  **Q And where did you live before then?** A Well, correction, a little bit over three years, less than four.  **Q And before then?** A Hong Kong, Beijing and London.  **Q So what should I -- how should I address you?** A Just call me Guo Wengui.  **Q Guo Wengui?** A Yes.  **Q I will try and pronounce it correctly. Have you ever been deposed before?** A Yes.  **Q How many times?**\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 94 MR. MORRISSY: What do you mean eliminate? MR. ALTMILLER: What -- I said once we eliminate the people in this room, the suspects would dwindle. MR. LAUFER: The elevator says there's a lower lobby, a lobby and there's a lower lobby. MR. MORRISSY: Um-hmm. MR. ALTMILLER: Well, I'm not going to discuss escape plans. Let's -- we should -- let's -- MR. MORRISSY: I'm just saying, if -- you know, we should power through because if my client's security team believes that the risk is heightened to the point where another authority needs to be called or he needs to be escorted out, that's going to have to happen. So let's -- MR. ALTMILLER: I hear you. MR. MORRISSY: But we don't want that to happen, so let's just move. MR. ALTMILLER: I'm just trying to do a deposition. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 95 THE WITNESS: (Unintelligible.) Legal? MR. ALTMILLER: For the record, I -- I -- I can't respond to a question that's -- that requests legal advice from a -- BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q All right. Let's -- let's move along. You -- you stated that -- that Baosheng Guo is a killer of the democratic movement out to secure a show in Las Vegas?** A Yes.  **Q And you believe that to be true; is that correct?** A Yes.  **Q How do you think that he is a killer of the democratic movement?** A Because he defrauded and then also fool those people who come against CCP. And those people who paid the price of their life and of their families, because in the past 70 years there's no one like myself that is outspoken against the -- against the -- the communist party and is anti-revolutionary. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 96 So he used -- against the CCP, and he's spoke against me, shows that he is a person who is anti-democracy, a killer of the democracy, including his actions today, summoned the media to -- to come here. So his intention was to have the communist party's spy to kill me. MR. ALTMILLER: And I should just also say that my co-counsel was just downstairs and we may have an update on that situation. MR. LAUFER: Yeah. There's -- there's -- there's absolutely nobody out there and the security detail has indicated that they have no concerns about it. MR. MORRISSY: Well, the security detail for my client isn't going to share with you their concerns, first of all. And second of all, there's absolutely people on the street. It's DC. Did you go from car to car and check who was in each car? We don't really know. So we'll get pictures of them. BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q Okay. Did you -- did you state that the** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 97 **Defendant would have sex with an animal?** A No.  **Q Have you said -- have you stated that Baosheng Guo has solicited prostitutes in Tokyo?** A I didn't say he solicited a prostitute. I said that he went into strip club. Maybe it's a translation error.  **Q Okay. I'm just asking. And why did you state that Baosheng Guo went to a strip club?** A Because a comrade who supported me in Japan told me, plus Li Xioa Mu also told me that he went to a strip club in Tokyo. I don't know if -- if it's a translation error, whether those people in the strip club are qualified or so-called prostitute, but he listed the strip club. Additionally, he was the one who paid the bill.  **Q And -- and who are these -- these people who told you that?** A Li Xioa Mu. He was the person who paid the expenses on his behalf when they went to the strip club to see women strip their clothes off.\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 98  **Q Okay. Did you ever state that Baosheng Guo was poor and would not be able to file suit or defend a lawsuit?** A Yes, I said that.  **Q Did you state that the reason that Baosheng Guo removed his complaint to federal court was so that he could hand pick a judge?** A No, that's not what I said. No.  **Q Did you make any statement about why Baosheng Guo would have removed the case to federal court?** A I already answered your question. Guo Baosheng was the one who tweeted the photos bragging that they had a drink with this attorney who is a descendent of President Carter. So he was the one who tweeted that and that -- to show us that he also have the case moved to a different court. He tweeted that the judge at this new court discriminate against Chinese people; Asian people, especially Chinese. All of those move are disadvantageous to our case. He says this is the end date of -- of ever Guo. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 99 THE REPORTER: Of what? I'm sorry. THE INTERPRETER: Referring to him. THE WITNESS: Evil Guo, G-U-O, my first name, yeah, family name. THE INTERPRETER: Oh, evil Guo. THE WITNESS: He claimed that this -- the evil Guo's end date is here, he said, or he tweeted it. But I'm still alive after meeting you guys after so long. You don't kill me. Thank you. BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q Do you -- do you have a United States passport?** A No.  **Q Have you ever claimed that you had a United States passport?** A I never claimed that.  **Q Did you ever state that you had a relationship with the first hacker in the world?** A We are saying that we are in the process of contacting the first hacker in the world for anti-CCP. So don't take portions of my statement and twist it. That is too much like the communist 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 100 party and those are not facts.  **Q What is your current net worth?** A Negative.  **Q Okay.** A On many media outlet, I already said that I don't have any more money, even with -- my 13 billion assets in my homeland was confiscated. So I have negative assets and that's why I'm suiing. CHECK INTERPRETER: He said 1.3 billion. (Cross talking in English and Chinese.) THE INTERPRETER: That's what he said, 13 billion. CHECK INTERPRETER: Because what he said, (Chinese), that is 1.3 billion. But now that he corrected it, so -- (Cross-talking.) THE WITNESS: Yeah, yeah, right. Thirteen billion is correct. You were correct. Thank you. I'm wrong. BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q So have you represented yourself in** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 101 **public as being a billionaire?** A Never.  **Q Okay. All right. Do you own any assets in the United States?** A In reality, under the law, no.  **Q Do you receive any income from any sources?** A No. Communist party closed or seized all my accounts and credit cards, especially after Guo Baosheng started his cooperation with the communist party and all my accounts were froze and I have not a penny left.  **Q How do you pay your expenses?** A Borrowed.  **Q So you continue to borrow money now to -- to pay your ongoing expenses?** A Yes.  **Q Okay. Other than your interest in the fund that owns the companies that we discussed earlier, do you own any assets or real estate in your own name?** A The apartment that I stayed in New York,\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 102 781 Sherry-Netherland, was owned by the fund under my name, but it's not mine. (Court reporter clarifying.) (Thereupon, a discussion was had off the record.) BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q And so the -- so the -- the apartment in -- in Manhattan is not in your name; is that correct?** A It's under my name, but I did not own it.  **Q Okay.** A Or I do not own it. MR. MORRISSY: So, let's -- what does -- let's just talk about what under my name means because we're talking about a New York apartment. You're -- you're from up there. You know how things are done with co-ops and condos and -- MR. ALTMILLER: Yeah. I -- I have no idea what it means. MR. MORRISSY: Right. Does it matter to you? MR. ALTMILLER: I mean, I don't know what 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 103 to make of it and so at some point -- I mean, I haven't checked the land records, so I don't know -- I don't know -- or the tax records, so I have no idea what it means. I don't know -- I don't know what to make of it, quite frankly. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. It's all online with ACRIS, so -- MR. ALTMILLER: I just -- I have no idea. MR. MORRISSY: It's public information. MR. ALTMILLER: I mean, I'm not trying to be tricky. I was just -- I was just curious as I say -- MR. MORRISSY: No, and I wasn't insinuating that. I just wanted to clarify what my client said, you know. MR. ALTMILLER: He said it was in his name and he didn't own it. MR. MORRISSY: It's under his name. MR. ALTMILLER: Under his name. He didn't own it. MR. MORRISSY: Because I don't understand what that means. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 104 MR. ALTMILLER: Well -- MR. MORRISSY: I mean, he's allowed to live there pursuant to the co-op's rules. These are -- I'm just -- MR. PODHASKIE: So it's all public. So it's owned by an LLC technically. The shares are owned by an LLC and he -- then the LLC is then owned by a separate holding company and he is the owner of the holding company and then he also has assets by a proprietary lease the way a co-op is set up. It's not a condominium, so you don't own the real estate. You get shares and you get a lease to the apartment. MR. LAUFER: So he's a beneficial owner? MR. PODHASKIE: Correct. MR. ALTMILLER: So -- just to clarify, so he is -- the property is owned by an LLC that's owned by a holding company that in turn is owned by Mr. Guo? MR. PODHASKIE: Correct. BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q Okay. Is that -- is that true?** MR. ALTMILLER: Can I just have the 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 105 witness say that that's true? THE WITNESS: Yes. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. So would it be -- so -- okay. All right. I'm not sure -- I'm not sure what to make of that because it then -- it suggests that he owns a -- he owns a company that owns a company that owns a \\$65 million apartment. MR. MORRISSY: Well, who's valuing that apartment? MR. ALTMILLER: Well, that's a good question. So let's do this -- MR. MORRISSY: It wasn't purchased for that amount. MR. ALTMILLER: Let me -- that's -- that's a good point. Let's mark this as -- is it 4? Let's mark it as 4. (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit Number 4 was marked for Identification.) BY MR. ALTMILLER:  **Q So let me ask you this: You're aware that there was a -- a profile done of you by -- in**","body_zh":"证物 45\n\n美国联邦地区法院 弗吉尼亚东区（Eastern District of Virginia） - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x WENGUI GUO（郭文贵），: 原告，: 诉 : 案号：1:18-CV-01064-TSE-IDD BAOSHENG GUO（郭宝胜），: 被告。: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x 2019年1月23日 华盛顿哥伦比亚特区（Washington, D.C.） WENGUI GUO（郭文贵）的视频宣誓证言 根据通知，应被告代理律师要求，于上午 10:08 开始在 Zechner, Ellman & Krause 律师事务所（地址：409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300, Washington, D.C.）接受讯问，由哥伦比亚特区公证人 Carolyn Friend 主持，各方代表出席如下：\n\n> 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 2 页 出庭人员： J. DAVID MORRISSY, ESQUIRE（J·戴维·莫里西律师） Zeichner, Ellman & Krause, LLP 409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300 Washington, D.C. 20004 (202) 783-0316 dmorrissy@zeklaw.com 原告代理律师 JOHN C. ALTMILLER, ESQUIRE（约翰·C·奥特米勒律师） Pesner Kawamoto, PLC 7926 Jones Branch Road, Suite 930 McLean, Virginia 22102 (703) 506-9440 jaltmiller@pesnerkawamoto.com 被告代理律师 ALEXANDER LAUFER, ESQUIRE（亚历山大·劳费尔律师） Eisenhower & Laufer, P.C. 10560 Main Street, Suite 218 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 (703) 352-9690 alex.laufer.elpc@gmail.com 被告代理律师 同样在场人员： 翻译员 Helen Cole；视频操作员 David Voigtsberger；核对翻译员 Una Wilkinson；Daniel Podhaskie 目 录 证人： 讯问人： 页码： 郭文贵 奥特米勒先生 4 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 3 页 证 物 编号： 描述： 页码： 1 网页 75 2 照片复印件 80 3 翻译认证声明 83 4 《纽约时报》（New York Times）文章 105 5 质询书答复 107 6 提供文件请求书 111 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 4 页 庭 审 笔 录 （随后由视频操作员宣读声明。） 奥特米勒先生：我是约翰·奥特米勒。我代表被告郭宝胜。 莫里西先生：我是来自 Zeichner, Ellman & Krause 的戴维·莫里西。我们代表原告暨宣誓证人。（随后翻译员宣誓。） 随后： WENGUI GUO（郭文贵） 被传唤接受讯问，在依法宣誓后，接受讯问并作证如下： 被告代理律师进行讯问 奥特米勒先生提问： 问：请说出您的姓名？ 答：郭文贵。 问：这是您目前的法定姓名吗？ 答：法定姓名是郭浩云。这是香港 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 5 页 发音，郭浩云。 问：那是您香港护照上的名字，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：您目前居住在哪里？ 答：纽约第五大道 781 号。 问：您在那里住了多久了？ 答：四年。 问：在此之前您住在哪里？ 答：嗯，更正一下，三年多一点，不到四年。 问：在此之前呢？ 答：香港、北京和伦敦。 问：那我应该——我应该如何称呼您？ 答：就叫我郭文贵。 问：郭文贵？ 答：是的。 问：我会尽量发音准确。您以前接受过录供吗？ 答：接受过。 问：多少次？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 94 页 莫里西先生：你说的排除是什么意思？ 奥特米勒先生：什么——我是说一旦我们排除了这个房间里的人，嫌疑人就会减少。 劳费尔先生：电梯上写着有一个下层大堂，一个大堂，还有一个下层大堂。 莫里西先生：嗯哼。 奥特米勒先生：好吧，我不会讨论逃跑计划。让我们——我们应该——让我们—— 莫里西先生：我只是说，如果——你知道，我们应该抓紧推进，因为如果我委托人的安保团队认为风险已经升高到需要呼叫另一个主管机关或需要护送他离开的程度，那事情就必须得发生了。所以我们—— 奥特米勒先生：我明白你的意思。 莫里西先生：但我们不希望发生这种情况，所以我们就继续吧。 奥特米勒先生：我只是想完成宣誓录供。 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 95 页 证人：（听不清。）法律？ 奥特米勒先生：记录在案，我——我——我无法回答涉及向……索取法律建议的问题—— 奥特米勒先生提问： 问：好的。让我们——我们继续。您——您说过——郭宝胜是民运的杀手，为了在拉斯维加斯（Las Vegas）获得一场演出？ 答：是的。 问：而且您认为这是真的，对吗？ 答：是的。 问：您凭什么认为他是民运的杀手？ 答：因为他欺骗并愚弄了那些反对中共（CCP）的人。以及那些付出生命和家庭代价的人，因为在过去 70 年里，没有人像我一样直言不讳地反对——反对——共产党，并且是反革命的。 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 96 页 所以他利用——反对中共，并且他反对我，说明他是一个反民主的人，是民主的杀手，包括他今天的行为，召集媒体——来这里。所以他的目的是让共产党的间谍杀了我。 奥特米勒先生：我还应该说明一下，我的联席律师刚才在楼下，我们可能掌握该情况的最新消息。 劳费尔先生：是的。外面——外面——外面绝对一个人都没有，安保人员表示他们对此没有任何担忧。 莫里西先生：好吧，首先，我委托人的安保人员不会与你们分享他们的担忧。其次，街上绝对有人。这里是哥伦比亚特区。你有一辆车一辆车去查看每辆车里坐着谁吗？我们并不真正清楚。所以我们会拍下他们的照片。 奥特米勒先生提问： 问：好的。您是否——您是否说过 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 97 页 被告会与动物发生性关系？ 答：没有。 问：您是否说过——您是否陈述过郭宝胜在东京招妓？ 答：我没说他招妓。我说过他去了脱衣舞俱乐部。这可能是翻译错误。 问：好的。我只是问问。那您为什么陈述郭宝胜去了脱衣舞俱乐部？ 答：因为在日本支持我的一位战友告诉了我，再加上李小牧也告诉了我他去了东京的一家脱衣舞俱乐部。我不知道是不是——是不是翻译错误，脱衣舞俱乐部里的那些人算不算是所谓的妓女，但他列出了脱衣舞俱乐部。另外，是他买的单。 问：那——那些告诉您这件事的人是谁？ 答：李小牧。当他们去脱衣舞俱乐部看女人脱衣服时，他是代表他支付费用的人。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 98 页 问：好的。您是否曾经说过郭宝胜很穷，无法提起诉讼或对诉讼进行应诉？ 答：是的，我说过。 问：您是否陈述过郭宝胜将他的起诉移转到联邦法院的原因是为了能够亲自挑选法官？ 答：没有，我不是那么说的。没有。 问：您是否就郭宝胜为何将案件移转到联邦法院发表过任何言论？ 答：我已经回答了你的问题。郭宝胜是在推特上发照片炫耀他们与这位卡特总统（President Carter）后裔的律师一起喝酒的人。所以他是发推特的那个人，而且那是——向我们展示他也把案件移送到了一个不同的法院。他发推特说这个新法院的法官歧视中国人；亚洲人，尤其是中国人。所有这些举动对我们的案子都是不利的。他说这是邪恶郭的末日。 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 99 页 速记员：什么？不好意思。 翻译员：指他。 证人：Evil Guo（邪恶郭），G-U-O，我的名，对，姓氏。 翻译员：哦，邪恶郭。 证人：他声称这个——邪恶郭的末日到了，他说，或者他在推特上发的。但在隔了这么久见到你们之后，我依然活着。你们没杀了我。谢谢。 奥特米勒先生提问： 问：您——您持有美国护照吗？ 答：没有。 问：您是否曾经声称过自己持有美国护照？ 答：我从没声称过。 问：您是否曾陈述过您与世界上第一黑客有关系？ 答：我们是说我们正在为了反共而联系世界上第一黑客。所以不要截取我言论的一部分来进行歪曲。那太像共产 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 100 页 党了，而且那些不是事实。 问：您目前的净资产是多少？ 答：负数。 问：好的。 答：在许多媒体机构上，我已经说过我没有钱了，即使有——我在祖国的 130 亿资产也被没收了。所以我拥有负资产，这就是我提起诉讼的原因。 核对翻译员：他说的是 13 亿。 （英语与中文交叠发话。） 翻译员：他就是这么说的，130 亿。 核对翻译员：因为他说的中文，那是 13 亿。但他现在纠正了，所以—— （交叠发话。） 证人：对，对，是的。130 亿是对的。你是对的。谢谢。我错了。 奥特米勒先生提问： 问：那么您是否在 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 101 页 公开场合自称是亿万富翁？ 答：从不。 问：好的。行。您在美国境内拥有任何资产吗？ 答：实际上，在法律层面上，没有。 问：您是否从任何来源获得任何收入？ 答：没有。共产党关闭或查封了我所有的账户和信用卡，尤其是在郭宝胜开始与共产党合作之后，我所有的账户都被冻结了，我身无分文。 问：您如何支付您的开销？ 答：借钱。 问：所以您现在继续借钱来——来支付您的日常开销？ 答：是的。 问：好的。除了您在我们之前讨论过的持有那些公司的基金中的权益之外，您是否以自己的名义拥有任何资产或不动产？ 答：我住在纽约的公寓，\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 102 页 781 Sherry-Netherland（雪梨荷航酒店公寓）是由以我名义设立的基金拥有的，但这不属于我。（法庭速记员请求澄清。）（随后进行了记录外的讨论。）由 Mr. Altmiller（阿尔特米勒先生）提问：问：那么——那么在——在曼哈顿的公寓不在你名下；是这样吗？答：是在我名下，但我并不拥有它。问：好的。答：或者说我不拥有它。Mr. Morrissy（莫里西先生）：那么，我们——这是什么——我们来谈谈“在我名下”是什么意思，因为我们谈论的是一套纽约的公寓。你是——你是从那边来的。你知道合作公寓（co-ops）和共管公寓（condos）的处理方式，还有——阿尔特米勒先生：是的。我——我完全不知道这是什么意思。莫里西先生：对。这对你重要吗？阿尔特米勒先生：我的意思是，我不知道该\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 103 页 怎么理解，所以在某种程度上——我的意思是，我没有查过土地登记记录，所以我不知道——我不知道——或者税务记录，所以我完全不知道这是什么意思。坦白说，我不知道——我不知道该怎么理解。莫里西先生：是的。在 ACRIS（纽约市自动城市登记信息系统）上都可以查到，所以——阿尔特米勒先生：我只是——我完全不知道。莫里西先生：这是公开信息。阿尔特米勒先生：我的意思是，我并不是想耍花招。正如我所说，我只是——我只是好奇——莫里西先生：没有，我并没有那个意思。我只是想澄清我当事人说的话，你知道的。阿尔特米勒先生：他说这在他名下，但他并不拥有它。莫里西先生：是在他名下。阿尔特米勒先生：在他名下。他不拥有它。莫里西先生：因为我不明白那是什么意思。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 104 页 阿尔特米勒先生：好吧——莫里西先生：我的意思是，根据合作公寓的规则，他是被允许住在属那里的。这些是——我只是——Mr. Podhaskie（波德哈斯基先生）：所以这都是公开的。所以严格从法律技术上讲，它是由一家有限责任公司（LLC）拥有的。股份由一家有限责任公司拥有，然后他——然后该有限责任公司再由一家单独的控股公司拥有，他是该控股公司的所有者，然后根据合作公寓的设立方式，他还通过专有租约拥有资产。它不是共管公寓，所以你不拥有不动产产权。你获得的是股份，并且你获得了该公寓的租约。Mr. Laufer（劳弗先生）：所以他是实益拥有人（beneficial owner）？波德哈斯基先生：没错。阿尔特米勒先生：所以——只是澄清一下，所以他是——该房产是由一家有限责任公司拥有的，该公司由一家控股公司拥有，而该控股公司反过来由 Mr. Guo（郭先生）拥有？波德哈斯基先生：没错。由阿尔特米勒先生提问：问：好的。那是——那是真的吗？阿尔特米勒先生：我能让\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第 105 页 证人确认那是真的吗？证人：是的。阿尔特米勒先生：好的。那么会是——那么——好的。行吧。我不确定——我不确定该怎么理解，因为这随后——这意味着他拥有一家——他拥有一家公司，该公司拥有一家拥有价值 $65 million（6500万美元）公寓的公司。莫里西先生：那么，是谁在给那套公寓估值？阿尔特米勒先生：嗯，这是个好问题。那我们这样做——莫里西先生：购买价格并不是那个金额。阿尔特米勒先生：让我——那是——那说得有道理。我们把这个标记为——是 4 吗？我们把它标记为 4。（随后，录取证词物证编号 4 被标记以供识别。）由阿尔特米勒先生提问：问：那我问你这个：你知道曾经有一份——关于你的个人专访由——在","key_entities":["Guo","CCP"],"ecf_references":[],"word_count":2424,"status":"published","published_at":null,"created_at":null,"updated_at":"2026-08-23 13:06:13"}