{"id":"court_ctb_404_28","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":404,"sub_number":28,"doc_type":"ORDER","filed_date":"2022-05-20","title":"EXHIBIT PAX 28 Declaration of Laura Aronsson in Further Support of PAX's Motion to Dismiss Chapter 11 Case or, in the Al","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"# **EXHIBIT PAX 28**\n\nDeclaration of Laura Aronsson in Further Support of PAX's Motion to Dismiss Chapter 11 Case or, in the Alternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee's Motion for an Order Directing the Appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee\n\n# **UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION**\n\nIn re:\n\nChapter 11 Case No.\n\nHO WAN KWOK1\n\n22-50073 (JAM)\n\nDebtor.\n\nMay 20, 2022\n\n### **DECLARATION OF LAURA S. ARONSSON IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P.'S MOTION TO DISMISS CHAPTER 11 CASE OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, PARTIAL JOINDER TO UNITED STATES TRUSTEE'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER DIRECTING THE APPOINTMENT OF A CHAPTER 11 TRUSTEE**\n\nI, Laura S. Aronsson, declare:\n\n1. I am an attorney admitted to practice law in the States of New York and California and am Counsel at the law firm of O'Melveny & Myers, 7 Times Square, New York, NY 10036, counsel for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. (\"PAX\"). I respectfully submit this Declaration in support of PAX's Motion to Dismiss Chapter 11 Case, or in the\n\nAlternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee (\"Motion to Dismiss\") [ECF 183].\n\n2. In connection with these proceedings, PAX served discovery requests on several parties, including Golden Spring (New York) Limited (\"Golden Spring\") and Lamp Capital LLC (\"Lamp Capital\"). As relevant here, PAX sought documents and communications relating to the Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief (the \"DIP Motion\") [ECF No. 117] and other litigation loans on\n\n1 The last four digits of the Debtor's taxpayer identification number are 9595.\n\nbehalf of Kwok.2\n\n3. On March 29, 2022, PAX served document requests on Golden Spring seeking, among other things, \"[a]ll Documents and Communications relating to Golden Spring's funding of any litigation in which the Debtor is a party.\" 3\n\n4. Also on March 29, 2022, PAX served document requests on Lamp Capital seeking, among other things, \"[a]ll Documents and Communications relating to any actual or contemplated transactions, transfers, distributions, or conveyances (including without limitation payments, loans, benefits, gifts, compensation, and income) made by Lamp Capital to, at the direction of, or for the benefit of the Debtor.\"4\n\n5. In response to PAX's requests, Golden Spring made productions on April 8, 2022 and April 11, 2022, totaling approximately 25 documents. Counsel for PAX reviewed all documents Golden Spring produced, and Golden Spring did not produce any loan agreements between Golden Spring and the Debtor.\n\n6. Lamp made productions on April 8, 2022 and May 9, 2022, totaling five pages. Counsel for PAX reviewed all documents Lamp Capital produced, and Lamp Capital did not produce any loan agreements between Lamp Capital and the Debtor.\n\n7. On April 12, 2022, PAX deposed Golden Spring's Rule 30(b)(6) designee, Yanping Wang, in connection with the DIP Motion. At her deposition, Ms. Wang testified that she signed the debtor-in-possession financing loan agreement on behalf of Golden Spring and\n\n2 *See* Debtor's Schedule F, ECF 78 (\\$1,000,000 \"litigation loan\" from Lamp Capital LLC); *id.* (listing \\$21 million \"litigation funding\" from Golden Spring).\n\n3 *See* Request 1h, PAX's First Request for Production of Documents Directed to Golden Spring (New York) Limited dated March 29, 2022, attached hereto as Exhibit A.\n\n4 *See* Request 1d, PAX's First Request for Production of Documents Directed to Lamp Capital LLC dated March 29, 2022, attached hereto as Exhibit B.\n\nhad it in her possession. 5 She also testified that she possessed documents and notes concerning litigation loans from Golden Spring to Kwok that totaled approximately \\$21 million.6\n\n8. During Ms. Wang's deposition, PAX requested that Golden Spring promptly produce the documents Ms. Wang referenced, 7 but PAX never received them.\n\nDated: May 20, 2022 New York, NY\n\nRespectfully submitted,\n\n*/s/ Laura S. Aronsson* Laura S. Aronsson laronsson@omm.com O'MELVENY & MYERS LLP 7 Times Square New York, NY 10036 Telephone: (212) 728-5841\n\n*Attorney for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.*\n\n5 April 12, 2022 Dep. Tr. of Golden Spring Rule 30(b)(6) Corporate Representative Yanping Wang (\"Wang Dep. Tr.\"), attached hereto as Exhibit C, at 185:8-17; 207:14-23.\n\n6 Wang Dep. Tr. 185:8-17; 207:14-23.\n\n7 Wang Dep. Tr. 185:8-17; 207:14-23.\n\n# **Exhibit A**\n\n## **UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION**\n\n: : : : :\n\n------------------------------------------------------------ x\n\nIn re:\n\nHo Wan Kwok,\n\nChapter 11\n\nCase No. 22-50073 (JAM)\n\nDebtor.\n\n: ------------------------------------------------------------ x\n\n#### **PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P.'S FIRST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS DIRECTED TO GOLDEN SPRING (NEW YORK) LIMITED**\n\nIn response to the relief sought in the Debtor's *Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief* [ECF 117] (the \"Debtor's DIP Motion\"), Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. (\"PAX\") hereby requests the production of documents (the \"Document Request\") by Friday, April 1, 2022, and that the request be answered or responded to in writing by Golden Spring (New York) Limited (\"Golden Spring\") by Thursday, March 31, 2022.\n\n## **DEFINITIONS**\n\n- a. \"Bankruptcy Code\" means Title 11 of the United States Code.\n- b. \"Communication\" means the transmittal of information (in the form of facts, ideas, inquiries, or otherwise) and/or any other communicative contact between two or more Persons and/or entities, and shall include, without limitation: written contacts by such means as any Document as defined herein, and oral contact by such means as face-to-face or in-person meetings, telephone conversation, e-mail, and any other form of electronic communication such as telecopy transmissions, telexes, telegrams, and video\n\ntransmissions, and the originals, drafts, copies, and all non-identical copies of all Documents.\n\n- c. \"Debtor\" refers to Miles Kwok a/k/a Kwok Ho Wan, a/k/a Kwok Ho, a/k/a Gwo Wen Gui, a/k/a Guo Wengui, a/k/a Guo Wen-Gui, a/k/a Wan Gue Haoyun, a/k/a Haoyun Guo.\n- d. The \"Debtor's DIP Motion\" refers to the Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief filed by the Debtor on March 22, 2022 [ECF 117].\n- e. The \"Debtors' Proposed DIP Facility\" refers to the debtor in possession financing proposed in the Debtors' Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief [ECF 117].\n- f. The \"Debtor's Schedules\" refers to Debtor's bankruptcy Schedules AB, C, D, EF, G, H, I, and J, filed by the Debtor on March 9, 2022 [ECF 78].\n- g. The \"Debtor's Voluntary Bankruptcy Petition\" refers to the Chapter 11 Voluntary Petition filed by the Debtor on February 15, 2022 [ECF 1].\n- h. The \"DIP Loan Agreement\" refers to the Debtor-in-Possession Credit Agreement between Debtor and Golden Spring, filed as Exhibit C to Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief [ECF 117].\n- i. \"Director,\" \"officers,\" \"member,\" \"partner,\" \"limited partner\" or \"agent\" means any individual or entity serving as such presently or who served in such capacity at any relevant time, even though no longer serving in such capacity.\n- j. \"Document\" as used herein shall mean the original and all drafts and all copies, including copies with notations or marks not found on the original, of any writing or printed, graphic or electronic materials of any nature whatsoever, including, but not limited to, records, reports, memoranda, notes, calendar or diary entries, letters, envelopes, telegrams, telexes, e-mails, electronic mail messages, computer files, computerized records, telephone bills, checks, other written communications, messages (including, but not limited to, reports of telephone conversations and conferences), studies, summaries, tabulations, analyses, printed matter, minutes, photographs, tapes, tape recordings, correspondence, computer stored information, financial statements, worksheets, other communications, contracts, agreements, promissory notes, loan agreements, security agreements, guaranties, pledges, deeds of trust, mortgages, security interests filings, loan documents, other official documents and legal instruments, journals, manuals, technical releases, employment applications, agreements, orders, statements, checks, bank account statements, loan account statements, bills, invoices, receipts, vouchers, notebooks, data sheets and records kept or maintained by any means including electronically or by computer. In all cases where originals and/or non-identical copies are not available, the term \"Document\" also means identical copies of original documents and copies of non-identical copies.\n- k. \"Document Request\" refers to this First Request for Production of Documents directed to Golden Spring New York Limited.\n- l. \"Golden Spring\" or \"You\" refers to Golden Spring (New York) Limited.\n\n#### m. \"Identify\" means\n\ni. as to a person (as defined): name, business and residence address(es), occupation, job title, and dates so employed; and, if not an individual, state the type of entity and the address of its principal place of business.\n\nii. as to a document: the type of document (letter, memo. etc.), the identity of the author or originator, the date authored or originated, the identity of each person to whom the original or copy was addressed or delivered, the identity of such person known or reasonably believed by you to have present possession, custody, or control thereof, and a brief description of the subject matter thereof, all with sufficient particularity to request its production under Rule 34 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.\n\niii. as to a communication: the date of the communication, the type of communication (telephone conversation, meeting, etc.), the place where the communication took place, the identity of the person who made the communication, the identity of each person who received the communication, and of each person present when it was made, and the subject matter discussed.\n\niv. as to a meeting: the date of the meeting, the place of the meeting, each person invited to attend, each person who attended, and the subject matter discussed.\n\n- n. \"Including\" means including, but not limited to.\n- o. \"Or\" means \"and/or\" and is used in the inclusive sense.\n- p. \"Person\" includes natural persons, as well as corporations, proprietorships, limited liability companies, partnerships, joint ventures, associations, combinations, unions, governmental bodies and agencies, and any and all other entities.\n- q. The \"Petition Date\" means February 15, 2022.\n- r. \"Referring to\" as used herein shall mean commenting on, responding to, mentioning, containing, constituting, showing, memorializing, describing, analyzing, reflecting, pertaining to, identifying, or discussing.\n- s. \"Relating to\" as used herein shall mean concerning, being connected to, commenting on, responding to, containing, constituting, showing, memorializing, describing, analyzing,\n\nreflecting, pertaining to, compromising, identifying, discussing or otherwise establishing reasonable, logical or causal connection to.\n\n#### **INSTRUCTIONS**\n\n- t. This Document Request is propounded in response to the Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief [ECF 117].\n- a. Each response to each separately numbered Document Request is to be set forth separately. Document Requests should not be combined for the purpose of supplying a common response, but responses may be supplied by reference to the response to another Document Request.\n- b. This Document Request is continuing in character so as to require Golden Spring to make supplementary production of Documents if they obtain further or different information or Documents.\n- c. Where a Document Request cannot be answered to in full, state why and furnish all available information. If any Document responsive to a request has been lost, discarded, destroyed or is otherwise unavailable identify the Document as completely as possible, including if the Document has been lost, the last known location of the Document and the Person who had last possession, custody, access or control over the Document, or, if the Document has been discarded or destroyed, the date of such action, the Person authorizing such action, the Person actually destroying or disposing of the Document and the reason for the destruction or disposal of the Document.\n- d. Production of Documents pursuant to the Document Request must include all Documents available to Golden Spring and Golden Spring's members, agents, attorneys, investment bankers, consultants, accountants, insurers or others who have Documents available to it upon inquiry of them.\n- e. If Golden Spring does not have any Documents in its possession, custody, access or control that are responsive to a particular Document Request, Golden Spring's response to that Document Request should indicate unambiguously that they do not have any Documents responsive to the Document Request, or that there are not any Documents responsive to that Document Request.\n- f. Where knowledge, information, or Documents in the possession of a party or entity is requested, such Document Request includes any knowledge, information, or Documents of Golden Spring's members, agents, representatives, accountants, advisors, investment bankers, employees, and, unless privileged, its attorneys.\n- g. Where the name or identity of a Person is requested, state the Person's full name, home address, business address, home telephone number and business telephone number and include the Person's title or occupation and each of the positions held by such Person during the applicable time covered by any answer referring to such Persons.\n- h. Where the identity of a Document is requested, state the date of the Document, its author and addressee, the present location and custodian of said Document and give a description of the general contents of the Document.\n- i. Where the identity of a Communication is requested, identify the Person generating the Communication, the recipient of the Communication, the date and location of the\n\nCommunication, and give a description of the general contents of the Communication. Also, identify all Persons present when the Communication was made.\n\n- j. The plural of any word shall include the singular form of that word and vice versa.\n- k. The masculine form of a word shall include the feminine form of that word and vice versa.\n- l. The use of the past tense includes the present tense and the use of the present tense includes the past tenses so as to make each request inclusive rather than exclusive.\n- m. If a privilege is claimed with respect to any Document Request, state the nature of the privilege claimed, basis for the claim, and for Documents, a summary of the Documents' contents, their location and custodian and the identity of Persons having access or having had access to such Documents.\n- n. If You do not produce any Document because of a claim of privilege, set forth the privilege claimed, the facts upon which You rely to support the claim of privilege, and identify all documents for which such privilege is claimed.\n- o. Unless otherwise agreed by both PAX and Golden Spring, the production of documents shall be made at the offices of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, Times Square Tower, 7 Times Square, New York, New York 10036, on Friday, April 1, 2022.\n- p. Unless otherwise specified, this Document Request seeks all Documents from February 10, 2022 to the date of this Document Request.\n\n#### **REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS**\n\n1. PAX demands that Golden Spring produce at the date and location stated above, or at a time and location mutually agreeable to the parties, all (whether in hard copy or digital) books, records, communications, (including, but not limited to, e-mail, text message, electronic messaging, mail, fax and the like), and papers as follows:\n\na. All Documents and Communications relating to the DIP Loan Agreement.\n\nb. All Documents relied upon by Golden Spring when negotiating and executing the DIP Loan Agreement.\n\nc. All Documents and Communications with the Debtor or any of the Debtor's agents relating to the Debtor's Voluntary Bankruptcy Petition.\n\nd. All Documents and Communications relating to any actual or contemplated transactions, transfers, distributions, or conveyances (including without limitation payments, loans, benefits, gifts, compensation, and income) made by Golden Spring to, at the direction of, or for the benefit of the Debtor.\n\ne. All Documents and Communications relating to any security interest pledged by the Debtor to Golden Spring.\n\nf. All Documents and Communications relating to the anticipated sources of repayment of the DIP Loan Agreement.\n\ng. All Documents and Communications relating to the anticipated use of the proceeds of the DIP Loan Agreement.\n\nh. All Documents and Communications relating to Golden Spring's funding of any litigation in which the Debtor is a party.\n\ni. Documents sufficient to identify ownership of Golden Spring.\n\nj. Documents sufficient to identify all employees, officers and directors of Golden Spring.\n\nk. Documents sufficient to identify the source of any funds being used to fund the DIP\n\nLoan Agreement.\n\nDated: March 29, 2022 New York, New York\n\n> */s/ Peter Friedman* O'MELVENY & MYERS LLP Peter Friedman (pfriedman@omm.com) Stuart Sarnoff (ssarnoff@omm.com) Times Square Tower 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 Telephone: (212) 326-2000\n\n*Attorneys for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.*\n\n# **Exhibit B**\n\n#### **UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION**\n\n------------------------------------------------------------ x In re: : : :\n\nHo Wan Kwok,\n\nChapter 11\n\nCase No. 22-50073 (JAM)\n\nDebtor.\n\n: ------------------------------------------------------------ x\n\n#### **PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P.'S FIRST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS DIRECTED TO LAMP CAPITAL LLC**\n\nIn connection with Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.'s *Motion to Dismiss*\n\n: :\n\n*Chapter 11 Case or, in the Alternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee's Motion for an*\n\n*Order Directing the Appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee* [ECF 183] (the \"Motion to Dismiss\"),\n\nPacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. (\"PAX\") hereby requests the production of\n\ndocuments (the \"Document Request\"), and that the request be answered or responded to in\n\nwriting by Lamp Capital LLC (\"Lamp Capital\"), by Monday, May 2, 2022.\n\n#### **DEFINITIONS**\n\n- a. \"Bankruptcy Code\" means Title 11 of the United States Code.\n- b. The \"Chapter 11 Proceedings\" means *In re Ho Wan Kwok,* Case No. 22-50073 (Bankr. D. Conn.)\n- c. \"Communication\" means the transmittal of information (in the form of facts, ideas, inquiries, or otherwise) and/or any other communicative contact between two or more Persons and/or entities, and shall include, without limitation: written contacts by such means as any Document as defined herein, and oral contact by such means as face-to-face or in-person meetings, telephone conversation, e-mail, and any other form of electronic\n\ncommunication such as telecopy transmissions, telexes, telegrams, and video transmissions, and the originals, drafts, copies, and all non-identical copies of all Documents.\n\n- d. \"Debtor\" refers to Miles Kwok a/k/a Kwok Ho Wan, a/k/a Kwok Ho, a/k/a Gwo Wen Gui, a/k/a Guo Wengui, a/k/a Guo Wen-Gui, a/k/a Wan Gue Haoyun, a/k/a Haoyun Guo.\n- e. \"Director,\" \"officers,\" \"member,\" \"partner,\" \"limited partner\" or \"agent\" means any individual or entity serving as such presently or who served in such capacity at any relevant time, even though no longer serving in such capacity.\n- f. \"Document\" as used herein shall mean the original and all drafts and all copies, including copies with notations or marks not found on the original, of any writing or printed, graphic or electronic materials of any nature whatsoever, including, but not limited to, records, reports, memoranda, notes, calendar or diary entries, letters, envelopes, telegrams, telexes, e-mails, electronic mail messages, computer files, computerized records, telephone bills, checks, other written communications, messages (including, but not limited to, reports of telephone conversations and conferences), studies, summaries, tabulations, analyses, printed matter, minutes, photographs, tapes, tape recordings, correspondence, computer stored information, financial statements, worksheets, other communications, contracts, agreements, promissory notes, loan agreements, security agreements, guaranties, pledges, deeds of trust, mortgages, security interests filings, loan documents, other official documents and legal instruments, journals, manuals, technical releases, employment applications, agreements, orders, statements, checks, bank account statements, loan account statements, bills, invoices, receipts, vouchers, notebooks, data sheets and records kept or maintained by any means including electronically or by\n\ncomputer. In all cases where originals and/or non-identical copies are not available, the term \"Document\" also means identical copies of original documents and copies of nonidentical copies.\n\n- g. \"Document Request\" refers to this First Request for Production of Documents directed to Lamp Capital.\n- h. \"Identify\" means\n\t- i. as to a person (as defined): name, business and residence address(es), occupation, job title, and dates so employed; and, if not an individual, state the type of entity and the address of its principal place of business.\n\t- ii. as to a document: the type of document (letter, memo. etc.), the identity of the author or originator, the date authored or originated, the identity of each person to whom the original or copy was addressed or delivered, the identity of such person known or reasonably believed by you to have present possession, custody, or control thereof, and a brief description of the subject matter thereof, all with sufficient particularity to request its production under Rule 34 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.\n\t- iii. as to a communication: the date of the communication, the type of communication (telephone conversation, meeting, etc.), the place where the communication took place, the identity of the person who made the communication, the identity of each person who received the communication, and of each person present when it was made, and the subject matter discussed.\n\t- iv. as to a meeting: the date of the meeting, the place of the meeting, each person invited to attend, each person who attended, and the subject matter discussed.\n- i. \"Including\" means including, but not limited to.\n- j. \"Lamp Capital\", \"You\", and \"Your\" means Lamp Capital LLC and each of its members,\n\ndirectors, officers, employees, agents, representatives and advisors.\n\n- k. \"Or\" means \"and/or\" and is used in the inclusive sense.\n- l. \"Person\" includes natural persons, as well as corporations, proprietorships, limited liability companies, partnerships, joint ventures, associations, combinations, unions, governmental bodies and agencies, and any and all other entities.\n- m. \"Proposed Plan of Reorganization\" refers to *The Proposed Chapter 11 Plan of Ho Wan Kwok* [ECF 197].\n- n. \"Relating to\" as used herein shall mean concerning, being connected to, commenting on, responding to, containing, constituting, showing, memorializing, describing, analyzing, reflecting, pertaining to, compromising, identifying, discussing or otherwise establishing reasonable, logical or causal connection to.\n- o. The \"Sherry Netherland\" refers to Unit 1801 of the Sherry-Netherland Hotel, located at 781 5th Avenue, New York, New York, 10022, including the corresponding ownership interest in shares of The Sherry-Netherland and the assignment of the proprietary lease agreement for Unit 1801.\n\n#### **INSTRUCTIONS**\n\n- a. This Document Request is propounded in furtherance of Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.'s *Motion to Dismiss Chapter 11 Case or, in the Alternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee's Motion for an Order Directing the Appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee* [ECF 183].\n- b. Each response to each separately numbered Document Request is to be set forth separately. Document Requests should not be combined for the purpose of supplying a common response, but responses may be supplied by reference to the response to another Document Request.\n- c. This Document Request is continuing in character so as to require Lamp Capital to make supplementary production of Documents if they obtain further or different information or Documents.\n- d. Where a Document Request cannot be answered to in full, state why and furnish all available information. If any Document responsive to a request has been lost, discarded, destroyed or is otherwise unavailable identify the Document as completely as possible, including if the Document has been lost, the last known location of the Document and the Person who had last possession, custody, access or control over the Document, or, if the Document has been discarded or destroyed, the date of such action, the Person authorizing such action, the Person actually destroying or disposing of the Document and the reason for the destruction or disposal of the Document.\n- e. Production of Documents pursuant to the Document Request must include all Documents available to Lamp Capital and Lamp Capital's members, agents, attorneys, investment bankers, consultants, accountants, insurers or others who have Documents available to it upon inquiry of them.\n- f. If Lamp Capital does not have any Documents in its possession, custody, access or control that are responsive to a particular Document Request, Lamp Capital's response to that Document Request should indicate unambiguously that they do not have any Documents responsive to the Document Request, or that there are not any Documents responsive to that Document Request.\n- g. Where knowledge, information, or Documents in the possession of a party or entity is requested, such Document Request includes any knowledge, information, or Documents of Lamp Capital's members, agents, representatives, accountants, advisors, investment bankers, employees, and, unless privileged, its attorneys.\n- h. Where the name or identity of a Person is requested, state the Person's full name, home address, business address, home telephone number and business telephone number and\n\ninclude the Person's title or occupation and each of the positions held by such Person during the applicable time covered by any answer referring to such Persons.\n\n- i. Where the identity of a Document is requested, state the date of the Document, its author and addressee, the present location and custodian of said Document and give a description of the general contents of the Document.\n- j. Where the identity of a Communication is requested, identify the Person generating the Communication, the recipient of the Communication, the date and location of the Communication, and give a description of the general contents of the Communication. Also, identify all Persons present when the Communication was made.\n- k. The plural of any word shall include the singular form of that word and vice versa.\n- l. The masculine form of a word shall include the feminine form of that word and vice versa.\n- m. The use of the past tense includes the present tense and the use of the present tense includes the past tenses so as to make each request inclusive rather than exclusive.\n- n. If a privilege is claimed with respect to any Document Request, state the nature of the privilege claimed, basis for the claim, and for Documents, a summary of the Documents' contents, their location and custodian and the identity of Persons having access or having had access to such Documents.\n- o. If You do not produce any Document because of a claim of privilege, set forth the privilege claimed, the facts upon which You rely to support the claim of privilege, and identify all documents for which such privilege is claimed.\n\n- p. Unless otherwise agreed by both PAX and Lamp Capital, the production of documents shall be made at the offices of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, Times Square Tower, 7 Times Square, New York, New York 10036, on May 2, 2022 at 12:00pm.\n- q. Unless otherwise specified, this Document Request seeks all Documents from January 1, 2014 to the date of this Document Request.\n\n#### **REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS**\n\n1. PAX demands that Lamp Capital produce at the date and location stated above, or at a time and location mutually agreeable to the parties, all (whether in hard copy or digital) books, records, communications, (including, but not limited to, e-mail, text message, electronic messaging, mail, fax and the like), and papers as follows:\n\na. Documents sufficient to identify ownership of Lamp Capital.\n\nb. All Documents and Communications relating to the initial funding of Lamp Capital.\n\nc. All Documents and Communications relating to any payments made in connection with the Sherry Netherland from January 1, 2015 until the present.\n\nd. All Documents and Communications relating to any actual or contemplated transactions, transfers, distributions, or conveyances (including without limitation payments, loans, benefits, gifts, compensation, and income) made by Lamp Capital to, at the direction of, or for the benefit of the Debtor.\n\ne. All Communications between Lamp Capital and the Debtor relating to the Proposed Plan of Reorganization.\n\nDated: April 27, 2022 New York, New York\n\n> */s/ Peter Friedman* O'MELVENY & MYERS LLP Peter Friedman (pfriedman@omm.com) Stuart Sarnoff (ssarnoff@omm.com) Times Square Tower 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 Telephone: (212) 326-2000\n\n*Attorneys for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.*\n\n# **Exhibit C**\n\n\n\n| 1 | UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT |\n| 3 | BRIDGEPORT DIVISION |\n| 4 | ______________ |\n| 5 | |\n| 6 | |\n| 7 | |\n| | In re:
)Case No. |\n| 8 | )22-50073-(JAM) |\n| | Ho Wan Kwok,
) |\n| 9 | ) |\n| | Debtor.
) |\n| 10 | ) |\n| 11 | |\n| 12 | |\n| 13 | |\n| 14 | REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION |\n| 15 | OF |\n| 16 | (30(b)(6) CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVE |\n| 17 | YAN PING WANG |\n| 18 | Tuesday, April 12, 2022 |\n| 19 | New York, New York |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n| 25 | Reported by:
B. Suzanne Hull, CSR No. 13495 |\n| | Page 1 |\n\n280\n\n1 APPEARANCES\n\nFor the Debtor Brown Rudnick\n\n2 3 4\n\n10\n\n25\n\n5 Ho Wan Kwok: By MR. BENNETT S. SILVERBERG MR. KENNETH AULET 6 Attorneys at Law Times Square Tower 7 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 8 (212) 209-4924 (212) 209-4950 9 bsilverberg@brownrudnick.com kaulet@brownrudnick.com 11 For Creditor Pacific O'Melveny & Myers\n\n Alliance Asia By MR. DAVID V. HARBACH II 12 Opportunity Fund, Attorney at Law L.P.: 1625 Eye Street NW 13 Washington, DC 20006 (202) 383-5127 14 dharbach@omm.com - and - 15 By MR. STUART M. SARNOFF MS. AISLING MURRAY 16 Attorneys at Law Times Square Tower 17 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 18 (212) 326-2293 (212) 728-5831 19 ssarnoff@omm.com amurray@omm.com 20 21 For Creditor Cohn Birnbaum Shea\n\n Golden Spring By MR. SCOTT D. ROSEN 22 (New York) Limited: Attorney at Law 100 Pearl Street 23 Hartford, Connecticut 06103 (860) 493-2220 24 srosen@cbshealaw.com\n\n280\n\n4 For United States United States Department of\n\n5 By MS. HOLLEY L. CLAIBORN\n\nAttorney at Law\n\n13 jkaplan@pullcom.com\n\n6 1100 L Street NW\n\nRoom 12210\n\n1 APPEARANCES (Continued)\n\nTrustee: Justice\n\n2 3\n\n9\n\n14 15\n\n19\n\n7 Washington, DC 20005 (202) 514-2000 8 holley.l.claiborn@usdoj.gov 10 For the Committee on Pullman & Comley Secured Creditors: By MR. JONATHAN KAPLAN 11 Attorney at Law 90 State House Square 12 Hartford, Connecticut 06103 (860) 424-4379\n\n16 The Videographer: Jeffrey Nichols 17 The Interpreter: Sunny Johnston (Mandarin) 18 The Check Una Wilkinson (Mandarin) Interpreter:\n\nAlso Present: Makenzie Russo\n\n\n\n| 1 | | I N D E X | |\n|----|----------------|--------------------------------|------|\n| 2 | | | |\n| 3 | EXAMINATION BY | | PAGE |\n| 4 | | | |\n| 5 | MR. HARBACH | | 10 |\n| 6 | | | |\n| 7 | | | |\n| 8 | | | |\n| 9 | | E X H I B I T S | |\n| 10 | | | |\n| 11 | EXHIBIT | DESCRIPTION | PAGE |\n| 12 | Exhibit 1 - | Transcript of testimony of | 19 |\n| 13 | | Yan Ping Wang, taken | |\n| 14 | | October 11, 2018, forty-two | |\n| 15 | | pages | |\n| 16 | Exhibit 2 - | Trial transcript, dated | 28 |\n| 17 | | April 26, 2019, one hundred | |\n| 18 | | twenty-five pages | |\n| 19 | Exhibit 3 - | Director and officer register, | 43 |\n| 20 | | Golden Spring (New York) | |\n| 21 | | Limited, Delaware Corporation, | |\n| 22 | | three pages | |\n| 23 | Exhibit 4 - | Affidavit of Yan Ping Wang, | 55 |\n| 24 | | dated November 14, 2013, three | |\n| 25 | | pages | |\n| | | Page 4 | |\n| | | | |\n\n280\n\n2 EXHIBIT DESCRIPTION PAGE\n\n1 EXHIBITS (Continued)\n\n| 3 | Exhibit 5 - | Exhibit B, Golden Spring | 166 |\n|---|-------------|------------------------------|-----|\n| 4 | | (New York)'s Delaware | |\n| 5 | | certificate of incorporation | |\n| 6 | | and certificate of revival, | |\n\n7 dated March 10, 2015, five 8 pages\n\n| 9 | Exhibit 6 - | Pacific Alliance Asia | 209 |\n|----|-------------|------------------------------------------|--------|\n| 10 | | Opportunity Fund L.P.'s notice | |\n| 11 | | of deposition of Golden Spring | |\n| 12 | | (New York) Limited pursuant to | |\n| 13 | | Rule 30(b)(6) of the Federal | |\n| 14 | | Rules of Civil Procedure, | |\n| 15 | | dated March 29, 2022, seven | |\n| 16 | | pages | |\n| 17 | | | |\n| 18 | | | |\n| 19 | | | |\n| 20 | | | |\n| 21 | | | |\n| 22 | | | |\n| 23 | | | |\n| 24 | | | |\n| 25 | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | Page 5 |\n| | | Veritext Legal Solutions
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Good morning. | |\n| 6 | We are going on the record at 9:15 a.m. on | 09:15:21 |\n| 7 | April 12th, 2022. | 09:15:25 |\n| 8 | This is media unit one of the video-recorded | 09:15:27 |\n| 9 | deposition of Yvette Wang as a 30(b)(6) witness for | 09:15:31 |\n| 10 | Golden Spring (New York), taken by | 09:15:37 |\n| 11 | Creditor Pacific Alliance In Re: Ho Wan Kwok, filed | 09:15:39 |\n| 12 | in the United States Bankruptcy Court, District of | 09:15:42 |\n| 13 | Connecticut, Bridgeport Division.
The case number is | 09:15:47 |\n| 14 | 22-50073 (JAM). | 09:15:49 |\n| 15 | This deposition is being held virtually via | 09:15:50 |\n| 16 | Zoom. | 09:15:57 |\n| 17 | My name is Jeff Nichols, from the firm | 09:15:57 |\n| 18 | Veritext Legal Solutions, and I am the videographer. | 09:15:59 |\n| 19 | The court reporter is Suzanne Hull, from the firm | 09:16:02 |\n| 20 | Veritext Legal Solutions. | 09:16:06 |\n| 21 | Counsel will now please state their | 09:16:07 |\n| 22 | appearances and affiliations for the record. | 09:16:10 |\n| 23 | MR. HARBACH:
Good morning. | 09:16:14 |\n| 24 | I'm David Harbach, with O'Melveny & Myers, | 09:16:15 |\n| 25 | and I represent Pacific Alliance. | 09:16:19 |\n| | | Page 7 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. ROSEN:
Good morning. | 09:16:24 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Scott Rosen, Cohn Birnbaum & Shea, | 09:16:24 |\n| 3 | representing Golden Spring (New York). | 09:16:28 |\n| 4 | MR. KAPLAN:
Jonathan Kaplan, | 09:16:36 |\n| 5 | Pullman & Comley, representing the Committee of | 09:16:36 |\n| 6 | Unsecured Creditors. | 09:16:40 |\n| 7 | MR. AULET:
Kenneth Aulet, of Brown Rudnick, | 09:16:40 |\n| 8 | representing the debtor, Ho Wan Kwok. | 09:16:43 |\n| 9 | MR. SILVERBERG:
Bennett Silverberg, | 09:16:46 |\n| 10 | Brown Rudnick, representing the debtor. | 09:16:49 |\n| 11 | MS. RUSSO:
Makenzie Russo, with | 09:16:52 |\n| 12 | O'Melveny & Myers, representing Pacific Alliance. | 09:16:56 |\n| 13 | MR. SARNOFF:
Stuart Sarnoff, | 09:16:57 |\n| 14 | Pacific Alliance. | 09:17:02 |\n| 15 | MS. CLAIBORN:
And I am Holley Claiborn, for | 09:17:02 |\n| 16 | the U.S. Trustee. | 09:17:04 |\n| 17 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
Thank you. | 09:17:05 |\n| 18 | Will the court reporter please swear in both | 09:17:06 |\n| 19 | interpreters and then the witness. | 09:17:09 |\n| 20 | THE REPORTER:
Raise your right hand, | 09:17:14 |\n| 21 | please. | 09:17:15 |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | SUNNY JOHNSTON, | |\n| 24 | having been called as an interpreter to interpret | |\n| 25 | English into Mandarin and Mandarin into English, was | |\n| | | Page 8 |\n\n280\n\n1 duly sworn to interpret the proceedings to the best 2 of her abilities and interpreted as follows: 3 09:17:20 4 THE INTERPRETER: Yes, I do. 09:17:20 5 THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand, 09:17:25 6 please, Check Interpreter. 09:17:27 7 8 UNA WILKINSON, 9 having been called as an interpreter to interpret 10 English into Mandarin and Mandarin into English, was 11 duly sworn to interpret the proceedings to the best 12 of her abilities and interpreted as follows: 13 09:17:42 14 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Yes, I do. 09:17:42 15 THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand please, 16 Witness. 17 18 YAN PING WANG, 19 called as a 30(b)(6) Corporate Representative by 20 counsel for Creditor Pacific Alliance Asia 21 Opportunity Fund, L.P., being first duly sworn, 22 testified as follows: 23 09:17:59 24 THE WITNESS: Yes. 09:17:59 25 THE REPORTER: Okay. State credentials, 09:18:02 Page 9\n\n\n\n| | Case 22-50073
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280 | Page 35 of |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------|\n| 1 | please. | 09:18:06 |\n| 2 | THE INTERPRETER:
Yes. | 09:18:08 |\n| 3 | Good morning, everyone. | 09:18:09 |\n| 4 | Court certified Mandarin interpreter, | 09:18:10 |\n| 5 | California State Certified Interpreter | 09:18:13 |\n| 6 | Sunny Johnston.
Certification number is 301314. | 09:18:14 |\n| 7 | THE REPORTER:
Check Interpreter, | 09:18:18 |\n| 8 | credentials, please. | 09:18:22 |\n| 9 | THE CHECK INTERPRETER:
I am the check | 09:18:25 |\n| 10 | interpreter for Mandarin and English, and | 09:18:26 |\n| 11 | a court-certified interpreter for the Unified Court | 09:18:29 |\n| 12 | System in New York state. | 09:18:33 |\n| 13 | THE REPORTER:
Thank you. | 09:18:36 |\n| 14 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
Thank you. | 09:18:37 |\n| 15 | You may proceed, Counsel. | 09:18:37 |\n| 16 | | 09:18:37 |\n| 17 | EXAMINATION | 09:18:40 |\n| 18 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 09:18:40 |\n| 19 | Q.
Good morning, Ms. Wang. | 09:18:41 |\n| 20 | My name is David Harbach, as you just heard. | 09:18:44 |\n| 21 | And a couple housekeeping matters before we | 09:18:50 |\n| 22 | get started. | 09:18:53 |\n| | | |\n\n6 Sunny Johnston. Certification number is 301314. 09:18:14 7 THE REPORTER: Check Interpreter, 09:18:18 8 credentials, please. 09:18:22 9 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: I am the check 09:18:25 10 interpreter for Mandarin and English, and 09:18:26 11 a court-certified interpreter for the Unified Court 09:18:29 12 System in New York state. 09:18:33 13 THE REPORTER: Thank you. 09:18:36 14 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you. 09:18:37 15 You may proceed, Counsel. 09:18:37 16 09:18:37 17 EXAMINATION 09:18:40 18 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:18:40 19 Q. Good morning, Ms. Wang. 09:18:41 20 My name is David Harbach, as you just heard. 09:18:44 21 And a couple housekeeping matters before we 09:18:50 22 get started. 09:18:53 23 Are you able to hear -- are you able to hear 09:18:54 24 me okay? 09:18:55 25 A. Yes. 09:19:09 Page 10\n\n\n\n| 1 | I can hear you clearly. | 09:19:10 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
I'm aware that you had given depositions in | 09:19:12 |\n| 3 | the past in English. | 09:19:15 |\n| 4 | Would you be comfortable proceeding in | 09:19:18 |\n| 5 | English today? | 09:19:21 |\n| 6 | A.
Okay.
My mother tongue is not English, but | 09:19:37 |\n| 7 | I can try to go through the deposition in English; | 09:19:54 |\n| 8 | however, I do need the interpreter stand by in case | 09:19:57 |\n| 9 | I don't understand anything. | 09:20:00 |\n| 10 | Q.
That -- that sounds perfect, and that is | 09:20:02 |\n| 11 | just fine with us; so we can proceed in English.
And | 09:20:05 |\n| 12 | if you have a question or you would like a question | 09:20:10 |\n| 13 | translated into Mandarin or if you would like an | 09:20:13 |\n| 14 | answer translated into Mandarin, please just say so, | 09:20:20 |\n| 15 | and Ms. Johnston can help. | 09:20:24 |\n| 16 | Is that acceptable to you? | 09:20:27 |\n| 17 | A.
Okay.
Yes. | 09:20:30 |\n| 18 | Thank you. | 09:20:52 |\n| 19 | Q.
Okay.
Very good. | 09:20:52 |\n| 20 | And just a few more things.
Because we are | 09:20:56 |\n| 21 | doing this deposition remotely, it is very important | 09:20:59 |\n| 22 | for the court reporter that only one person be | 09:21:03 |\n| 23 | speaking at a time. | 09:21:08 |\n| 24 | Do you understand? | 09:21:09 |\n| 25 | A.
(In English)
Yes, I do.
Yeah. | 09:21:12 |\n| | | Page 11 |\n\n1 Q. Okay. Super. 09:21:13\n\n2 So if you would, please wait for me to 09:21:18\n\n3 finish my question before you start answering, and 09:21:21\n\n4 I'll do my best to wait for you to stop speaking 09:21:24\n\n5 before I ask my next question. 09:21:28\n\n| Okay? | 09:21:30 |\n|-----------------|----------|\n| Yes, sir. | 09:21:31 |\n| Thank you. | 09:21:33 |\n| Okay.
Super. | 09:21:33 |\n| | A.
Q. |\n\n| 10 | And as I said a moment ago, if there is | 09:21:35 | | | |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|--|--|\n| 11 | a question that you do not understand, please just | 09:21:40 | | | |\n| 12 | let me know, and I'm happy to try and rephrase it. | 09:21:43 | | | |\n| 13 | And if there is a question that you would prefer be | 09:21:48 | | | |\n| 14 | translated in order to answer it, that is no problem. | | | | |\n| 15 | That is what Ms. Johnston is here for. | 09:21:56 | | | |\n| 16 | Okay? | 09:21:59 | | | |\n| 17 | A.
Yes, sir. | 09:22:00 | | | |\n| 18 | Thank you. | 09:22:02 | | | |\n| 19 | Q.
Okay.
Are you on any medication or -- | 09:22:02 | | | |\n| 20 | MR. ROSEN:
Counsel, before we start, | 09:22:11 | | | |\n| 21 | stipulations as to objections and signing. | 09:22:13 | | | |\n| 22 | What is your preference? | 09:22:18 | | | |\n| 23 | MR. HARBACH:
I'm not sure I understand, | 09:22:20 | | | |\n| 24 | Scott. | 09:22:22 | | | |\n| 25 | MR. ROSEN:
The usual stipulations?
All | 09:22:24 | | | |\n| | | Page 12 | | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | | | objections reserved to trial except for form? | 09:22:27 |\n|---|--------------|-------|-----------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. HARBACH: | Yeah. | That's okay with me. | 09:22:32 |\n\n| 2 | MR. HARBACH:
Yeah.
That's okay with me. | 09:22:32 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 3 | MR. ROSEN:
Okay.
The witness is not going | 09:22:36 |\n| 4 | to waive the signing and reading of the transcript. | 09:22:38 |\n| 5 | MR. HARBACH:
I didn't hear you, Scott. | 09:22:42 |\n| 6 | Could you please speak up? | 09:22:44 |\n| 7 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes. | 09:22:46 |\n| 8 | The witness will not waive the signing and | 09:22:46 |\n| 9 | reading of the transcript. | 09:22:49 |\n| 10 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
Understood. | 09:22:50 |\n| 11 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 09:22:58 |\n| 12 | Q.
Ms. Wang, I was just about to ask you if you | 09:22:58 |\n| 13 | are on any medication or under the influence of | 09:23:01 |\n| 14 | any- -- anything that might impair your memory or | 09:23:05 |\n| 15 | interfere with your ability to answer questions | 09:23:09 |\n| 16 | truthfully. | 09:23:12 |\n| 17 | A.
No. | 09:23:15 |\n| 18 | Q.
Is there any reason you can think of why you | 09:23:17 |\n| 19 | cannot provide truthful testimony today? | 09:23:20 |\n| 20 | A.
I don't think there is any reason, sir. | 09:23:24 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
Super. | 09:23:29 |\n| 22 | I believe you have been deposed at least | 09:23:30 |\n| 23 | once before in October of 2018 in litigation | 09:23:37 |\n| 24 | involving PAX. | 09:23:44 |\n| 25 | Do you recall that deposition? | 09:23:46 |\n| | | Page 13 |\n\n1 A. I remember I was deposed before, but I don't 09:23:48\n\n2 recollect the -- the dates -- the precise dates. 09:23:56\n\n280\n\n3 Q. Understand. 09:23:59\n\n4 Other than that deposition where PAX 09:24:00 5 examined you, have you been deposed in any other 09:24:09 6 litigation since then? 09:24:13 7 A. Sir, since -- since then? You mean since 09:24:15 8 when? 09:24:19 9 Q. Well, I'll represent to you that the 09:24:20 10 deposition that PAX conducted of you was in October 09:24:23 11 of 2018. 09:24:26 12 And my question is have you been deposed 09:24:30 13 since then? 09:24:33 14 A. I believe so. 09:24:34 15 Q. And do you recall when? 09:24:37 16 A. I don't recall. 09:24:44 17 Q. In what proceeding? 09:24:45 18 A. It was in a case called Strategic Vision, 09:24:49 19 Eastern Profits -- or Eastern Profits, Strategic 09:24:57 20 Vision. It should be the same case. 09:25:02 21 Q. Okay. And in -- in what course is that 09:25:04 22 case, if you know? 09:25:07 23 A. In a court in New York. 09:25:08 24 Q. Okay. Any other depositions, besides that 09:25:11 25 one, since October of 2018? 09:25:20 Page 14\n\n1 A. Hmmm. No. 09:25:25\n\n2 Q. Do you understand that you are here today as 09:25:27\n\n3 a corporate representative of Golden Spring 09:25:35\n\n| 4 | (New York)? | 09:25:40 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 5 | A.
Yes, I do. | 09:25:40 |\n| 6 | Q.
Did you review the topics that we intend to | 09:25:42 |\n| 7 | cover with you today that were contained in the | 09:25:48 |\n| 8 | deposition notice before your testimony today? | 09:25:51 |\n| 9 | A.
Yes. | 09:25:55 |\n| 10 | I did review the topics. | 09:25:59 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
What did you do to prepare -- excuse | 09:26:01 |\n| 12 | me -- prepare for your deposition today, generally | 09:26:05 |\n| 13 | speaking? | 09:26:08 |\n| 14 | A.
I prepared with our law firm -- with our | 09:26:09 |\n| 15 | attorneys. | 09:26:15 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Did you review documents? | 09:26:16 |\n| 17 | A.
Yes. | 09:26:21 |\n| 18 | I did review documents. | 09:26:22 |\n| 19 | Q.
Did you meet with any other personnel at | 09:26:24 |\n| 20 | Golden Spring to prepare for your deposition today? | 09:26:29 |\n| 21 | A.
Meet -- I'm sorry. | 09:26:32 |\n| 22 | What do you mean?
You mean meet in person? | 09:26:38 |\n| 23 | What do you mean, meet? | 09:26:41 |\n| 24 | Q.
Well, a moment ago you said that the law | 09:26:43 |\n| 25 | firm assisted you in preparing for today. | 09:26:49 |\n| | | Page 15 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Correct. | 09:26:51 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Did you meet with them in person to do that | 09:26:52 |\n| 3 | preparation? | 09:26:56 |\n| 4 | A.
No. | 09:26:57 |\n| 5 | Due to COVID, I meet our counsels via -- via | 09:26:59 |\n| 6 | video call. | 09:27:07 |\n| 7 | Q.
Thank you. | 09:27:08 |\n| 8 | Did you have communications with anyone else | 09:27:08 |\n| 9 | at Golden Spring -- via telephone, videoconference, | 09:27:11 |\n| 10 | or otherwise -- to prepare for today's deposition? | 09:27:17 |\n| 11 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 09:27:24 |\n| 12 | The witness can answer without disclosing | 09:27:25 |\n| 13 | any conversations with either inhouse counsel or | 09:27:28 |\n| 14 | outside counsel. | 09:27:32 |\n| 15 | THE WITNESS:
Sir, sorry. | 09:27:36 |\n| 16 | Can you repeat your question? | 09:27:37 |\n| 17 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 09:27:40 |\n| 18 | Q.
Yes. | 09:27:41 |\n| 19 | It was a yes-or-no question that did not | 09:27:41 |\n| 20 | call for any -- any privileged information. | 09:27:43 |\n| 21 | The question is did you meet with any | 09:27:46 |\n| 22 | personnel at Golden Spring -- via telephone, Zoom, | 09:27:50 |\n| 23 | videoconference or otherwise -- to prepare for your | 09:27:57 |\n| 24 | deposition today? | 09:28:01 |\n| 25 | A.
Yes, I did. | 09:28:01 |\n| | | Page 16 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
With whom did you communicate at | 09:28:05 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Golden Spring to prepare for your deposition today? | 09:28:08 |\n| 3 | A.
I communicated with the owner of | 09:28:11 |\n| 4 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited, Mr. Qiang Guo.
Let | 09:28:18 |\n| 5 | me spell, Q-i-a-n-g, last name G-u-o. | 09:28:25 |\n| 6 | Q.
How much time did you spend communicating | 09:28:32 |\n| 7 | with him? | 09:28:37 |\n| 8 | A.
How much time?
Like, ten fifteen -- about, | 09:28:38 |\n| 9 | like, fifteen minutes -- ten, fifteen minutes. | 09:28:49 |\n| 10 | Q.
Is there anyone else at Golden Spring with | 09:28:52 |\n| 11 | whom you communicated to prepare for today's | 09:28:55 |\n| 12 | deposition? | 09:28:57 |\n| 13 | A.
No. | 09:28:57 |\n| 14 | Q.
Is there anyone else in the world, other | 09:28:58 |\n| 15 | than attorneys, with whom you communicated to prepare | 09:29:01 |\n| 16 | for today's deposition? | 09:29:05 |\n| 17 | A.
No. | 09:29:07 |\n| 18 | Q.
What is the name of -- withdrawn. | 09:29:09 |\n| 19 | A moment ago, when you said you met with | 09:29:26 |\n| 20 | lawyers to prepare for today's deposition, lawyers | 09:29:29 |\n| 21 | from which firm or firms? | 09:29:35 |\n| 22 | A.
Attorneys from Mr. Scott Rosen's firm. | 09:29:37 |\n| 23 | I couldn't pronounce his law firm's name.
It should | 09:29:45 |\n| 24 | be -- I mean, it is complicated for me to pronounce | 09:29:49 |\n| 25 | his law firm's name; so Mr. Scott Rosen and his | 09:29:55 |\n| | | Page 17 |\n\n1 colleague, Mr. Timothy -- Tim. 09:29:59 2 Q. Tim Miltenberger? 09:30:01 3 A. I believe so. I don't remember his last 09:30:05 4 name. It sounds like it correct. 09:30:07 5 Q. Okay. Did you meet or consult with any 09:30:09 6 lawyers from the Brown Rudnick firm to prepare for 09:30:13 7 today's deposition? 09:30:23 8 A. No, I didn't. 09:30:24 9 Q. When was Golden Spring (New York) Limited 09:30:27 10 formed? 09:30:40 11 A. Golden Spring (New York) Limited was formed 09:30:40 12 in the year of 2015. 09:30:45 13 Q. Does March 2015 sound about right to you? 09:30:47 14 A. In March, yes. 09:30:54 15 Q. What is Golden Spring (New York)'s 09:30:59 16 relationship to Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? 09:31:03 17 A. Golden Spring (New York) Limited is 09:31:09 18 100 percent owned by China Golden Spring (Hong Kong). 09:31:15 19 Q. And for purposes of today's deposition, I'm 09:31:21 20 going to refer to China Golden Spring (Hong Kong) as 09:31:27 21 just Golden Spring (Hong Kong). 09:31:33 22 Is that okay with you? 09:31:36 23 A. Yes. 09:31:37 24 Q. Okay. Did you ever work at Golden Spring 09:31:39 25 (Hong Kong)? 09:31:45 Page 18\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Yes. | 09:31:49 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Do you recall when you worked there? | 09:31:50 |\n| 3 | A.
That was back to 2016 for, like, a couple of | 09:31:53 |\n| 4 | months. | 09:32:05 |\n| 5 | Q.
Okay.
I would like to show you what I'm | 09:32:07 |\n| 6 | going to mark as Exhibit 1. | 09:32:22 |\n| 7 | (Deposition Exhibit Number 1 | 09:32:29 |\n| 8 | was marked for identification.) | 09:32:29 |\n| 9 | MR. HARBACH:
And we'll just wait a moment | 09:32:32 |\n| 10 | for my colleague to drop it in there.
Just sit | 09:32:34 |\n| 11 | tight, everybody.
It will be there in a second. | 09:32:56 |\n| 12 | Sorry for the delay.
We are working on it.
It seems | 09:33:17 |\n| 13 | to be a little slow.
It is uploading now. | 09:33:30 |\n| 14 | Ms. Russo is telling me it should be in | 09:34:30 |\n| 15 | there, but I don't see it in my marked exhibits | 09:34:33 |\n| 16 | folder. | 09:34:37 |\n| 17 | Does anyone else? | 09:34:38 |\n| 18 | MR. KAPLAN:
There -- there are two folders. | 09:34:42 |\n| 19 | It looks like it is in the second one. | 09:34:45 |\n| 20 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
Got it. | 09:34:57 |\n| 21 | MR. ROSEN:
Counsel -- | 09:34:59 |\n| 22 | MR. HARBACH:
That seems -- | 09:35:00 |\n| 23 | MR. ROSEN:
-- before we -- | 09:35:00 |\n| 24 | MR. HARBACH:
That seems to be the way it is | 09:35:02 |\n| 25 | on -- on my computer.
It is in the second one in | 09:35:05 |\n| | | Page 19 |\n\n1 the -- the second one that says deposition of 09:35:07 2 Yvette Wang. 09:35:11 3 MR. ROSEN: Counsel, before you proceed with 09:35:11 4 the question, could you please explain to me which of 09:35:13 5 the 30(b)(6) topics this document pertains to. 09:35:17 6 MR. HARBACH: Well, it could be -- it could 09:35:23 7 be any number of them because the document is the 09:35:25 8 transcript of her prior deposition; so it will be 09:35:29 9 multiple such topics. 09:35:33 10 MR. ROSEN: I'll reserve the right to object 09:35:36 11 and instruct the witness not to answer if it exceeds 09:35:38 12 the scope of the 30(b)(6). 09:35:42 13 But go ahead and proceed. 09:35:43 14 MR. HARBACH: Understood. 09:35:46 15 Is there anyone who can't see the exhibit in 09:35:49 16 their marked exhibits folder before I go on? 09:35:51 17 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:35:59 18 Q. Okay. Ms. Wang, can you see it? 09:36:00 19 A. Sir, I can see a .pd- -- it says .pdf file 09:36:03 20 with forty-two pages. 09:36:07 21 Q. You got it? 09:36:09 22 A. This is the one? 09:36:11 23 Got it. Okay. 09:36:12 24 Q. Yes, ma'am. 09:36:13 25 Please open that one up. 09:36:15 Page 20\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 09:36:18 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Yes. | 09:36:18 |\n| 3 | Q.
So just to refresh your recollection before | 09:36:19 |\n| 4 | I proceed, the question I put to you concerned the | 09:36:22 |\n| 5 | dates that you worked at Golden Spring (Hong Kong). | 09:36:25 |\n| 6 | And I believe you said that it was approximately | 09:36:31 |\n| 7 | 2016.
And I just want to show you in the deposition | 09:36:36 |\n| 8 | in 2018 where you were asked about this.
Let me read | 09:36:42 |\n| 9 | what you said, and then ask the question again. | 09:36:49 |\n| 10 | So I -- can I direct your attention to page | 09:36:52 |\n| 11 | thirty of the transcript. | 09:36:55 |\n| 12 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 09:37:00 |\n| 13 | Q.
Let me know when you are there. | 09:37:02 |\n| 14 | A.
Page thirty, three, zero, sir; right? | 09:37:09 |\n| 15 | Q.
Yes, ma'am.
That is right. | 09:37:15 |\n| 16 | And it is the -- you know, page thirty of | 09:37:18 |\n| 17 | the miniature pages. | 09:37:21 |\n| 18 | Do you see how each of the miniature pages | 09:37:23 |\n| 19 | is numbered? | 09:37:26 |\n| 20 | A.
I am on page thirty. | 09:37:30 |\n| 21 | What do you mean, miniature pages?
I don't | 09:37:33 |\n| 22 | understand that. | 09:37:38 |\n| 23 | Q.
Well, each -- sure. | 09:37:39 |\n| 24 | Each page of the document that I just sent | 09:37:41 |\n| 25 | you has four pages of the transcript on it. | 09:37:44 |\n| | | Page 21 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Do you see that? | 09:37:47 |\n|---|------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Yes. | 09:37:48 |\n\n| 2 | A.
Yes. | 09:37:48 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 3 | Q.
Okay.
So those are the page numbers that | 09:37:48 |\n| 4 | I am referring to.
And on page thirty, at line ten, | 09:37:52 |\n| 5 | you were asked a question that reads: | 09:38:03 |\n| 6 | \"QUESTION:
Then you moved to Hong Kong | 09:38:05 |\n| 7 | in 2015 to work in September of 2015 to work | 09:38:07 |\n| 8 | for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?\" | 09:38:13 |\n| 9 | And your answer was: | 09:38:18 |\n| 10 | \"ANSWER:
Yes.\" | 09:38:19 |\n| 11 | Do you see that there? | 09:38:21 |\n| 12 | A.
Sir, which page?
It is page thirty, but | 09:38:23 |\n| 13 | there are four -- four little page number. | 09:38:26 |\n| 14 | Q.
For -- | 09:38:31 |\n| 15 | A.
I'm not sure which one. | 09:38:32 |\n| 16 | Q.
Right. | 09:38:34 |\n| 17 | A.
Is it Page 113 or 14, 15 or 16?
Which one | 09:38:35 |\n| 18 | you are talking about? | 09:38:39 |\n| 19 | Q.
I understand.
I understand your confusion. | 09:38:41 |\n| 20 | When I refer to page numbers of this | 09:38:44 |\n| 21 | transcript, I am only talking about the pages -- the | 09:38:46 |\n| 22 | page numbers for the small pages. | 09:38:51 |\n| 23 | A.
Oh. | 09:38:53 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay? | 09:38:54 |\n| 25 | And I know it is confusing.
I'm sorry. | 09:38:57 |\n| | | Page 22 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
All right.
Let me go back and find it. | 09:38:59 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Yeah.
Go back to page thirty of the little | 09:39:01 |\n| 3 | pages. | 09:39:04 |\n| 4 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 09:39:06 |\n| 5 | Yes. | 09:39:14 |\n| 6 | I'm on the little page, on page thirty right | 09:39:14 |\n| 7 | now. | 09:39:17 |\n| 8 | Q.
Okay.
Yes.
Sorry for the confusion. | 09:39:17 |\n| 9 | So take a look at line ten on page thirty, | 09:39:19 |\n| 10 | and you will see a question there about when you | 09:39:22 |\n| 11 | moved to Hong Kong to work for Golden Spring | 09:39:26 |\n| 12 | (Hong Kong). | 09:39:30 |\n| 13 | Do you see that? | 09:39:31 |\n| 14 | A.
Yes. | 09:39:35 |\n| 15 | I saw this. | 09:39:53 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
And so my question for you is -- | 09:39:55 |\n| 17 | first of all, let's just focus on the date. | 09:40:00 |\n| 18 | Okay?
Having read this, does that inform | 09:40:03 |\n| 19 | your judgment about when it was that you began to | 09:40:09 |\n| 20 | work for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? | 09:40:12 |\n| 21 | A.
My answer, back to this page, which I mean | 09:40:16 |\n| 22 | that, yes.
I moved to Hong Kong in 2015, and then | 09:40:25 |\n| 23 | I worked in there.
I traveled to -- in U.S.
But if | 09:40:28 |\n| 24 | you have my full Golden Spring (New York) corporation | 09:40:34 |\n| 25 | records, I officially start work in Golden Spring | 09:40:41 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | from 2018, I believe; so before that I don't believe | 09:40:44 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | I work for Golden Spring (New York).
Technically, | 09:40:52 |\n| 3 | I work for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) and -- which | 09:40:56 |\n| 4 | include the time of the 2016, when I revert because | 09:41:01 |\n| 5 | 2015 -- 2016 I revert.
2016, that is a more | 09:41:06 |\n| 6 | consecutive period of time for me to base in | 09:41:12 |\n| 7 | Hong Kong; so besides that, I traveled between | 09:41:16 |\n| 8 | Hong Kong/U.S. | 09:41:20 |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay.
So I think I understand you, but | 09:41:22 |\n| 10 | I want to make sure. | 09:41:25 |\n| 11 | In approximately 2015 you started working | 09:41:28 |\n| 12 | for Golden Spring (Hong Kong), and you worked for | 09:41:33 |\n| 13 | Golden Spring (Hong Kong) until sometime in 2018, at | 09:41:40 |\n| 14 | which point you began working for Golden Spring | 09:41:46 |\n| 15 | (New York). | 09:41:49 |\n| 16 | Do I have that right? | 09:41:49 |\n| 17 | A.
I officially started to work for | 09:41:53 |\n| 18 | Golden Spring (New York) from 2018, yes.
You are | 09:41:57 |\n| 19 | correct on that. | 09:42:03 |\n| 20 | Q.
Okay.
And prior to that, you worked for | 09:42:04 |\n| 21 | Golden Spring (Hong Kong); is that correct? | 09:42:10 |\n| 22 | A.
I believe it is more a mix because I was | 09:42:14 |\n| 23 | working for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) and same time | 09:42:20 |\n| 24 | I was working for Mr. Qiang Guo, his family business | 09:42:23 |\n| 25 | in China also; so that is the reason when I referred | 09:42:29 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I was in Hong Kong in 2016.
That is a -- as I said, | 09:42:33 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | a period of consecutive time for me to -- leaving | 09:42:42 |\n| 3 | Hong Kong and working Hong Kong -- for Hong Kong. | 09:42:46 |\n| 4 | That is my -- that is my representation. | 09:42:49 |\n| 5 | Q.
Were you -- at the time you were working for | 09:42:51 |\n| 6 | Golden Spring (Hong Kong), were you physically in | 09:42:55 |\n| 7 | Hong Kong? | 09:43:00 |\n| 8 | A.
Not always. | 09:43:03 |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay.
When did you move to the | 09:43:05 |\n| 10 | United States? | 09:43:11 |\n| 11 | A.
What do you mean, move, sir? | 09:43:11 |\n| 12 | Q.
When did you come to the United States for | 09:43:17 |\n| 13 | the first time?
How about that? | 09:43:22 |\n| 14 | A.
That was many years ago. | 09:43:26 |\n| 15 | Q.
Did you come to the United States during the | 09:43:28 |\n| 16 | time that you worked for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? | 09:43:34 |\n| 17 | A.
Yes. | 09:43:37 |\n| 18 | During the time I worked for Golden Spring | 09:43:39 |\n| 19 | (Hong Kong), I did travel into the United States | 09:43:43 |\n| 20 | also. | 09:43:46 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
When was that? | 09:43:47 |\n| 22 | A.
Oh, I couldn't recall.
It should -- between | 09:43:49 |\n| 23 | 2015 to 2017 or '18.
I couldn't recall. | 09:43:56 |\n| 24 | Q.
When you came to the United States in that | 09:44:07 |\n| 25 | time period, did you return to China? | 09:44:10 |\n| | | Page 25 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
Counsel, could you | 09:44:15 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | please show me which of the 30(b)(6) topics this | 09:44:18 |\n| 3 | relates to and give me some explanation as to where | 09:44:21 |\n| 4 | you are going here. | 09:44:24 |\n| 5 | MR. HARBACH:
Yeah.
Sure. | 09:44:26 |\n| 6 | I am really just trying to get basic | 09:44:26 |\n| 7 | background of the witness' affiliation with the | 09:44:29 |\n| 8 | company that she represents.
It is very basic.
I am | 09:44:34 |\n| 9 | trying to figure out when she worked, where, and for | 09:44:36 |\n| 10 | whom.
That's it.
It informs her competency as the | 09:44:40 |\n| 11 | 30(b)(6) witness, and it gives con- -- it gives | 09:44:44 |\n| 12 | context to her later testimony. | 09:44:47 |\n| 13 | MR. ROSEN:
I -- honestly, I don't see how | 09:44:49 |\n| 14 | her travel plans has anything to do with this. | 09:44:52 |\n| 15 | And I'm going to instruct the witness at | 09:44:56 |\n| 16 | this point to simply not answer questions about her | 09:44:58 |\n| 17 | travel and her whereabouts at various times.
If you | 09:45:02 |\n| 18 | would like to ask questions about her specific duties | 09:45:05 |\n| 19 | and what she performed and when she performed it, | 09:45:08 |\n| 20 | I have no objection to that. | 09:45:11 |\n| 21 | MR. HARBACH:
And you -- you are going to | 09:45:12 |\n| 22 | object to any question about her physical location | 09:45:13 |\n| 23 | when she performed those duties?
Is that what | 09:45:16 |\n| 24 | I understand? | 09:45:18 |\n| 25 | MR. ROSEN:
You -- your questions were going | 09:45:20 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | way beyond that.
If you want to ask her specific | 09:45:23 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | duty and where she was, then we can address that | 09:45:25 |\n| 3 | question as it comes up.
But you are asking about | 09:45:28 |\n| 4 | general travel plans.
You are asking about her -- | 09:45:31 |\n| 5 | her work for other companies.
She is a 30(b)(6) | 09:45:35 |\n| 6 | witness for Golden Spring (New York), and that is | 09:45:38 |\n| 7 | where the questions should be directed. | 09:45:41 |\n| 8 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 09:45:44 |\n| 9 | Q.
Ms. Wang, where were you physically located | 09:45:45 |\n| 10 | when you worked for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? | 09:45:47 |\n| 11 | A.
What do you mean, physically located? | 09:45:55 |\n| 12 | I mean, like, stay in hotel or staying -- I mean, | 09:45:59 |\n| 13 | I don't understand, sir. | 09:46:03 |\n| 14 | Q.
What country were you in when you worked for | 09:46:04 |\n| 15 | Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? | 09:46:07 |\n| 16 | A.
I was in Hong Kong, and I was -- I traveled | 09:46:10 |\n| 17 | in the U.S.
I traveled in UK.
I mean, I still don't | 09:46:14 |\n| 18 | understand what do you mean physically located, but | 09:46:19 |\n| 19 | that is the places I had been to. | 09:46:22 |\n| 20 | Q.
Okay.
Did there come a time when you | 09:46:24 |\n| 21 | merge -- moved to the United States permanently for | 09:46:29 |\n| 22 | work? | 09:46:35 |\n| 23 | A.
Sir, what do you mean permanently? | 09:46:35 |\n| 24 | Q.
Did you move? | 09:46:38 |\n| 25 | A.
Permanent -- | 09:46:40 |\n| | | Page 27 |\n\n1 Q. Did you move? Do you know what I mean by 09:46:42 2 move? 09:46:47 3 A. Yes. 09:46:47 4 Q. Okay. Did there come a time when you moved 09:46:48 5 to the United States for work? 09:46:51 6 A. Yes. 09:46:59 7 Q. When was that? 09:47:00 8 A. That was started I became to be the officer 09:47:01 9 and director of Golden Spring (New York). 09:47:09 10 Q. Which was when? 09:47:11 11 A. That was beginning of 2018, late of 2017. 09:47:17 12 I couldn't remember. It should be beginning of 2018. 09:47:25 13 Q. Okay. I'm going to show you another 09:47:29 14 document. 09:47:36 15 MR. HARBACH: We'll call this one number 09:47:38 16 two. 09:47:41 17 (Deposition Exhibit Number 2 09:47:41 18 was marked for identification.) 09:48:39 19 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:48:39 20 Q. Do you see Exhibit 2 in your folder, 09:48:40 21 Ms. Wang? 09:48:42 22 A. Yes. 09:48:44 23 Q. Okay. It should also be a .pdf. Please 09:48:46 24 open it up. 09:48:51 25 A. (Witness complies.) 09:48:52 Page 28\n\n\n\n| 1 | Yes, I did. | 09:48:54 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
Now, on this one I'm going to ask you | 09:48:55 |\n| 3 | to turn to page -- okay -- forty-nine. | 09:49:01 |\n| 4 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 09:49:14 |\n| 5 | Q.
Tell me when you are on page forty-nine. | 09:49:27 |\n| 6 | A.
Yes, I am. | 09:49:34 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
Looking at line five, the question | 09:49:35 |\n| 8 | was put to you: | 09:49:39 |\n| 9 | \"QUESTION:
And when did you move to | 09:49:41 |\n| 10 | New York to start working for the Guo | 09:49:43 |\n| 11 | family?\" | 09:49:47 |\n| 12 | Your answer: | 09:49:48 |\n| 13 | \"ANSWER:
That was a date I never | 09:49:50 |\n| 14 | forget.
That was April 23rd, 2015.\" | 09:49:52 |\n| 15 | Do you see that there? | 09:49:59 |\n| 16 | A.
Yes, I did. | 09:50:01 |\n| 17 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
This deposition, for | 09:50:02 |\n| 18 | the record -- correction. | 09:50:04 |\n| 19 | This testimony, for the record, was given in | 09:50:06 |\n| 20 | May of 2019, just under three years ago. | 09:50:09 |\n| 21 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 09:50:15 |\n| 22 | Q.
So is that accurate that you moved to | 09:50:16 |\n| 23 | New York to start working for the Guo family in April | 09:50:20 |\n| 24 | of 2015? | 09:50:24 |\n| 25 | A.
As I said, English is not my mother | 09:50:26 |\n| | | Page 29 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | language.
When you say move, I mean, I understand | 09:50:32 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | better by now more than two, three -- three, four | 09:50:35 |\n| 3 | years ago, and that was right.
I left China.
I came | 09:50:40 |\n| 4 | to New York -- I came to New York first.
Then I went | 09:50:45 |\n| 5 | back to Hong Kong. | 09:50:49 |\n| 6 | So regarding work for it the Guo family, | 09:50:50 |\n| 7 | which I refer always as my -- my boss -- like, the | 09:50:54 |\n| 8 | owner of Golden Spring, Mr. Qiang Guo -- Q-i-a-n-g | 09:51:00 |\n| 9 | G-u-o -- that is the same Guo family. | 09:51:06 |\n| 10 | Q.
So did you start working for the Guo family | 09:51:09 |\n| 11 | in New York in April of 2015?
Is that correct or not | 09:51:23 |\n| 12 | correct? | 09:51:33 |\n| 13 | A.
I started to work for the Guo family from | 09:51:33 |\n| 14 | 2000 -- end of 2008.
That is, like -- | 09:51:39 |\n| 15 | Q.
Yeah.
Let me -- let me interrupt and ask my | 09:51:43 |\n| 16 | question again as you may have misunderstood it. | 09:51:46 |\n| 17 | Did you start working for the Guo family in | 09:51:49 |\n| 18 | New York in April of 2015? | 09:51:52 |\n| 19 | A.
Start work for the Guo family.
I mean, | 09:52:00 |\n| 20 | again, I don't remember this question many years ago. | 09:52:13 |\n| 21 | As I said -- | 09:52:17 |\n| 22 | Q.
No. | 09:52:18 |\n| 23 | You -- you -- you testified that it was | 09:52:18 |\n| 24 | a date you'll never forget; so that is why I'm | 09:52:20 |\n| 25 | pressing you a little bit on it. | 09:52:25 |\n| | | Page 30 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | My question is when did you start working | 09:52:27 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | for the Guo family in New York?
The transcript here | 09:52:32 |\n| 3 | seems to suggest that that was in April of 2015, and | 09:52:38 |\n| 4 | I'm asking you whether that is accurate. | 09:52:44 |\n| 5 | Is it accurate?
Is it not accurate?
Or do | 09:52:47 |\n| 6 | you not know? | 09:52:51 |\n| 7 | A.
April 23rd in 2015.
That is the date | 09:52:52 |\n| 8 | I never forgot because I left China.
I was never -- | 09:53:00 |\n| 9 | I was never able to go back. | 09:53:03 |\n| 10 | Okay? | 09:53:06 |\n| 11 | So that is accurate.
When I answered this | 09:53:07 |\n| 12 | question, I don't believe I have any interpreter help | 09:53:10 |\n| 13 | me by then; so the question looks like right now | 09:53:14 |\n| 14 | reading as when did you move to New York to start | 09:53:18 |\n| 15 | working for the Guo family?
I was not quite | 09:53:21 |\n| 16 | understanding this question without translation by | 09:53:24 |\n| 17 | then; so if you ask me when I start to work for Guo | 09:53:27 |\n| 18 | family, which I can tell you, I started -- my career | 09:53:31 |\n| 19 | started from 2008, but I started to work for Guo | 09:53:36 |\n| 20 | family outside of China.
That was started from 2015. | 09:53:40 |\n| 21 | That is my correct and truthful answer now. | 09:53:44 |\n| 22 | Q.
And that was in New York City; correct? | 09:53:47 |\n| 23 | A.
Starting from New York and Hong Kong. | 09:53:49 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay. | 09:53:53 |\n| 25 | A.
I mean, by then Mr. Qiang Guo, he was in | 09:54:06 |\n| | | Page 31 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | New York and Hong Kong both.
I don't see now where | 09:54:09 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | there is any problem.
I said I'll work in New York | 09:54:11 |\n| 3 | and Hong Kong -- starting from New York and back to | 09:54:11 |\n| 4 | Hong Kong because I originally need to follow | 09:54:13 |\n| 5 | Mr. Qiang Guo, if that makes sense to you, sir. | 09:54:18 |\n| 6 | Q.
Well, I just want to point out that I wasn't | 09:54:21 |\n| 7 | suggesting there was a problem.
I am just trying to | 09:54:25 |\n| 8 | understand the facts of what happened; so here is my | 09:54:28 |\n| 9 | next question. | 09:54:31 |\n| 10 | When did you start working at Golden Spring | 09:54:32 |\n| 11 | (New York)? | 09:54:36 |\n| 12 | A.
I believe I replied your question, sir, | 09:54:40 |\n| 13 | about Golden Spring (New York).
That was started -- | 09:54:44 |\n| 14 | I was appointed as officer and director of | 09:54:46 |\n| 15 | Golden Spring (New York). | 09:54:50 |\n| 16 | Q.
When? | 09:54:50 |\n| 17 | A.
2018. | 09:54:51 |\n| 18 | Q.
Do you recall when in 2018? | 09:54:54 |\n| 19 | A.
In spring of 2018. | 09:54:59 |\n| 20 | Q.
Okay.
Let's go back to Exhibit 1.
Let me | 09:55:02 |\n| 21 | know when you have got Exhibit 1 pulled up, Ms. Wang. | 09:55:14 |\n| 22 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 09:55:19 |\n| 23 | Yes.
I'm here. | 09:55:20 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
Page numbers again, I'm talking about | 09:55:22 |\n| 25 | the little page numbers.
If you please go to page | 09:55:25 |\n| | | Page 32 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | thirty-five. | 09:55:32 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 09:55:36 |\n| 3 | Q.
Let me know -- | 09:55:50 |\n| 4 | A.
Yes. | 09:55:51 |\n| 5 | Q.
-- when you are there. | 09:55:52 |\n| 6 | A.
Yes.
I'm here. | 09:55:54 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
Take a look on page thirty-five of | 09:55:55 |\n| 8 | Exhibit 1, line ten. | 09:55:59 |\n| 9 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 09:56:00 |\n| 10 | Q.
The question reads: | 09:56:05 |\n| 11 | \"QUESTION:
You said in February of 2018 | 09:56:07 |\n| 12 | you came to work for Golden Spring | 09:56:09 |\n| 13 | (New York)?\" | 09:56:09 |\n| 14 | And your answer was: | 09:56:13 |\n| 15 | \"ANSWER:
Yes.\" | 09:56:15 |\n| 16 | Now, my only focus here is on whether | 09:56:16 |\n| 17 | February of '18 sounds like the correct date to you | 09:56:18 |\n| 18 | of when you started working for Golden Spring | 09:56:22 |\n| 19 | (New York). | 09:56:25 |\n| 20 | A.
Sir, I replied as in spring of 2018. | 09:56:28 |\n| 21 | I mean -- | 09:56:33 |\n| 22 | Q.
I'm -- I'm not suggesting anything other | 09:56:36 |\n| 23 | than whether February is correct. | 09:56:39 |\n| 24 | Does that sound about right to you? | 09:56:42 |\n| 25 | A.
I don't recall.
In spring of 2018.
You | 09:56:46 |\n| | | Page 33 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | could check on Golden Spring (New York)'s corporation | 09:56:49 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | book.
It should be clearly in there. | 09:56:54 |\n| 3 | Q.
Was anyone else working at Golden Spring | 09:56:56 |\n| 4 | (New York) when you started there in the spring of | 09:57:07 |\n| 5 | 2018? | 09:57:09 |\n| 6 | A.
What do you mean, is there anyone working at | 09:57:10 |\n| 7 | Golden Spring (New York)? | 09:57:20 |\n| 8 | Q.
Well, you mentioned that you were, I think | 09:57:21 |\n| 9 | you said, appointed to Golden Spring in the spring of | 09:57:24 |\n| 10 | 2018. | 09:57:29 |\n| 11 | My question for you is at the time that you | 09:57:32 |\n| 12 | were appointed, were there any other people working | 09:57:34 |\n| 13 | for Golden Spring (New York)? | 09:57:40 |\n| 14 | A.
Mr. Qiang Guo, himself. | 09:57:44 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
And what was his job? | 09:57:49 |\n| 16 | A.
He is one of the directors of Golden Spring | 09:57:55 |\n| 17 | (New York). | 09:57:59 |\n| 18 | Q.
Anyone else? | 09:57:59 |\n| 19 | A.
No. | 09:58:03 |\n| 20 | Just me and himself, when I was appointed. | 09:58:08 |\n| 21 | Q.
So no other employees who worked at | 09:58:14 |\n| 22 | Golden Spring at that time? | 09:58:19 |\n| 23 | A.
I don't recall. | 09:58:23 |\n| 24 | Q.
Do you recall whether there was a chauffeur | 09:58:23 |\n| 25 | who worked for Golden Spring (New York) at that time? | 09:58:33 |\n| | | Page 34 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A. | I don't recall. | 09:58:35 |\n|----|----|-------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q. | Let's take a look at Exhibit 1 again. | 09:58:35 |\n| 3 | A. | (Witness complies.) | 09:58:41 |\n| 4 | Q. | And this time let's go to page forty. | 09:58:51 |\n| 5 | A. | (Witness complies.) | 09:58:55 |\n| 6 | Q. | Tell me when you are there. | 09:59:02 |\n| 7 | A. | Yes, I am. | 09:59:07 |\n| 8 | Q. | Okay.
Take a look at line seven.
You say: | 09:59:08 |\n| 9 | | \"ANSWER:
I remember that there was | 09:59:24 |\n| 10 | | a driver.
I met a chauffeur, a Korean | 09:59:25 |\n| 11 | | gentleman, yes.\" | 09:59:30 |\n| 12 | | And then there is a question: | 09:59:33 |\n| 13 | | \"QUESTION:
You believe he was an | 09:59:35 |\n| 14 | | employee of Golden Spring before February of | 09:59:36 |\n| 15 | | '18?\" | 09:59:39 |\n| 16 | | Your answer: | 09:59:40 |\n| 17 | | \"ANSWER:
February of 2018, that was he | 09:59:43 |\n| 18 | | told me by then. | 09:59:46 |\n| 19 | | \"QUESTION:
You met a chauffeur who told | 09:59:48 |\n| 20 | | you that he was an employee of Golden Spring | 09:59:50 |\n| 21 | | (New York)? | 09:59:53 |\n| 22 | | \"ANSWER:
Yes.\" | 09:59:54 |\n| 23 | | And then you say that he was the one who | 09:59:55 |\n| 24 | | picked you up at the airport. | 09:59:58 |\n| 25 | | Does that refresh your recollection about | 10:00:01 |\n| | | | Page 35 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | whether there was a chauffeur employed at | 10:00:03 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Golden Spring (New York) when you started there? | 10:00:07 |\n| 3 | A.
Sir, I am the witness today -- in my | 10:00:12 |\n| 4 | understanding is about bankruptcy.
I mean that this | 10:00:18 |\n| 5 | is my task -- this was my testimony how many years | 10:00:21 |\n| 6 | ago?
Three, four years ago? | 10:00:27 |\n| 7 | I mean, I could remember by then because | 10:00:29 |\n| 8 | that was a relatively closer date.
I was deposed in | 10:00:32 |\n| 9 | October 2018, as you said.
Now it is almost three | 10:00:37 |\n| 10 | and a half, four years after.
I mean, just so many | 10:00:41 |\n| 11 | years pass by, I couldn't remember that.
But since | 10:00:45 |\n| 12 | my testimony back to 2018 in here said that, that is | 10:00:50 |\n| 13 | possible.
That reminded me.
That's right.
But that | 10:00:54 |\n| 14 | doesn't mean that after three and a half, four years, | 10:00:57 |\n| 15 | I still should remember all the details; right?
I am | 10:01:02 |\n| 16 | being deposed in here about a bankruptcy. | 10:01:02 |\n| 17 | Am I correct about this? | 10:01:07 |\n| 18 | Q.
Well, you are -- you are right about one | 10:01:09 |\n| 19 | part, and that is that I offered you this information | 10:01:11 |\n| 20 | to see if it would help refresh your memory. | 10:01:14 |\n| 21 | And, indeed, that was the question, whether | 10:01:19 |\n| 22 | reading this transcript helps refresh your memory | 10:01:22 |\n| 23 | about whether there was a chauffeur working at | 10:01:25 |\n| 24 | Golden Spring (New York) when you started. | 10:01:30 |\n| 25 | A.
I -- | 10:01:31 |\n| | | Page 36 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. ROSEN:
At this point, I'm going to | 10:01:31 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | instruct the witness not to answer any further | 10:01:33 |\n| 3 | questions along these lines. | 10:01:36 |\n| 4 | This is a deposition in a contested matter | 10:01:37 |\n| 5 | for approval of a DIP financing arrangement in | 10:01:41 |\n| 6 | a bankruptcy case.
So far, of the list of 30(b)(6) | 10:01:49 |\n| 7 | topics, these questions barely hit on any of these -- | 10:01:52 |\n| 8 | of the topics, maybe a little bit on the ownership | 10:01:55 |\n| 9 | structure.
You have already covered the officers, | 10:01:58 |\n| 10 | employees, and directors, and so far nothing about | 10:02:02 |\n| 11 | a DIP loan. | 10:02:06 |\n| 12 | So I would ask you, if you are going to do | 10:02:07 |\n| 13 | a fishing expedition or try and extend litigation | 10:02:10 |\n| 14 | from other courts here, that I would have to instruct | 10:02:12 |\n| 15 | the witness not to answer. | 10:02:17 |\n| 16 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:02:18 |\n| 17 | Q.
Ms. Wang, just a moment ago you said that | 10:02:18 |\n| 18 | reading this deposition transcript did help you | 10:02:22 |\n| 19 | remember. | 10:02:26 |\n| 20 | And so my question is was there or was there | 10:02:26 |\n| 21 | not a chauffeur working at Golden Spring (New York) | 10:02:29 |\n| 22 | at the time you started there? | 10:02:32 |\n| 23 | A.
As my testimony back to 2018 said so, it is | 10:02:37 |\n| 24 | possible.
You are helpful, sir. | 10:02:42 |\n| 25 | Q.
Okay.
Was Mr. Mileson Kwok living in | 10:02:44 |\n| | | Page 37 |\n\n1 New York when you started working at Golden Spring 10:03:01 2 (New York)? 10:03:03 3 MR. ROSEN: Objection. I instruct the 10:03:03 4 witness not to answer. 10:03:05 5 This has no relevance whatsoever to any of 10:03:06 6 the 30(b)(6) deposition topics, none. And the 10:03:06 7 purpose of this is strictly to either relitigate or 10:03:12 8 extend litigation from other courts or to harass this 10:03:13 9 witness. 10:03:17 10 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:03:18 11 Q. Ms. Wang, do you know who Mileson Kwok is? 10:03:18 12 A. Can you spell the name again, sir, please? 10:03:25 13 Q. Yes. 10:03:28 14 M-i-l-e-s-o-n Kwok, K-w-o-k. 10:03:29 15 Do you know who that is? 10:03:39 16 A. I don't know who you are referring, sir. 10:03:41 17 Q. Okay. You have mentioned someone who was 10:03:43 18 a director of Golden Spring at the time you became 10:03:47 19 a director. 10:03:51 20 What is that person's name? 10:03:52 21 A. If you refer to Mr. Qiang Guo, the same 10:03:56 22 director when I was appointed, his name is Q-i-a-n-g 10:04:01 23 G-u-o. His English name is Mileson, M-i-l-e-s-o-n, 10:04:08 24 and the last name is G-u-o, sir, if that is helpful 10:04:20 25 to you. 10:04:25\n\n\n\n| | 280 | | | |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|--|\n| 1 | Is this the person you are referring? | 10:04:27 | | |\n| 2 | Q.
It -- it is. | 10:04:29 | | |\n| 3 | A.
Okay. | 10:04:29 | | |\n| 4 | Q.
And -- | 10:04:29 | | |\n| 5 | A.
I never heard about someone called | 10:04:30 | | |\n| 6 | Mileson Kwok.
I mean, I never heard about this | 10:04:33 | | |\n| 7 | person. | 10:04:36 | | |\n| 8 | Q.
Okay.
How is Mileson Guo related to | 10:04:36 | | |\n| 9 | Wengui Guo?
And that is spelled W-e-n-g-u-i G-u-o. | 10:04:45 | | |\n| 10 | How are they related, if at all, if you | 10:04:57 | | |\n| 11 | know? | 10:05:00 | | |\n| 12 | A.
Mr. Qiang Guo -- Q-i-a-n-g G-u-o -- he is | 10:05:00 | | |\n| 13 | the son of Mr. H-o W-a-n K-w-o-k. | 10:05:07 | | |\n| 14 | Q.
And that is H-o W-a-n K-w-o-k; correct? | 10:05:23 | | |\n| 15 | A.
You are right, sir. | 10:05:29 | | |\n| 16 | Q.
So for ease of understanding for everyone | 10:05:30 | | |\n| 17 | who is reading this transcript, can we please refer | 10:05:33 | | |\n\n18 to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's son as Mileson? Is that okay 10:05:36\n\n19 with you? 10:05:45\n\n20 A. No, sir. 10:05:46\n\n21 I will prefer to stay with Mr. Qiang Guo. 10:05:47\n\n22 The reason because, again, English is not my mother 10:05:51\n\n23 language. I do not want to pronounce something which 10:05:54\n\n24 was -- which could be misunderstood by everyone here, 10:05:58\n\n25 if I may. 10:06:03\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
No problem at all. | 10:06:04 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Thank you. | 10:06:08 |\n| 3 | Q.
So we'll stick with Qiang Guo. | 10:06:09 |\n| 4 | A.
Thank you. | 10:06:14 |\n| 5 | Q.
Okay.
And you just testified that he is the | 10:06:14 |\n| 6 | son of Ho Wan Kwok, the debtor; right? | 10:06:17 |\n| 7 | A.
You are right, sir.
Yes. | 10:06:21 |\n| 8 | Q.
So my question is was Qiang Guo living in | 10:06:22 |\n| 9 | New York when you started working at Golden Spring | 10:06:26 |\n| 10 | (New York)? | 10:06:28 |\n| 11 | A.
What do you mean, living in New York, sir? | 10:06:30 |\n| 12 | Like, I mean, I don't understand.
Travel in there. | 10:06:35 |\n| 13 | I met him in there, yes.
I don't understand what you | 10:06:38 |\n| 14 | mean, living in New York. | 10:06:42 |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH:
Sunny, perhaps you can help | 10:06:45 |\n| 16 | me.
My question in English would be did | 10:06:48 |\n| 17 | Mr. Qiang Guo live in New York at the time you | 10:06:52 |\n| 18 | started working at Golden Spring (New York)? | 10:06:56 |\n| 19 | Could you please translate that for me? | 10:06:59 |\n| 20 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Interprets question.) | 10:07:36 |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS:
(Through the Interpreter) | 10:07:36 |\n| 22 | I officially started working for Golden Spring | 10:07:36 |\n| 23 | (New York) in 2018.
I don't recall whether or not | 10:07:39 |\n| 24 | Mr. Qiang Guo was living in New York at the time. | 10:07:41 |\n| 25 | /// | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:07:46 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Did you see him in New York personally | 10:07:46 |\n| 3 | around the time that you started working at | 10:07:54 |\n| 4 | Golden Spring (New York)? | 10:07:57 |\n| 5 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:08:01 |\n| 6 | Q.
Have you ever seen Mr. Qiang Guo personally | 10:08:02 |\n| 7 | in New York? | 10:08:10 |\n| 8 | A.
Yes, I did. | 10:08:13 |\n| 9 | Q.
When was the last time? | 10:08:14 |\n| 10 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:08:18 |\n| 11 | Q.
Within the last year? | 10:08:21 |\n| 12 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:08:25 |\n| 13 | Q.
Within the last five years? | 10:08:26 |\n| 14 | A.
Yes. | 10:08:30 |\n| 15 | It was possible. | 10:08:37 |\n| 16 | Q.
Was Mr. Ho Wan Kwok living in New York at | 10:08:38 |\n| 17 | the time you started working for Golden Spring | 10:08:47 |\n| 18 | (New York)? | 10:08:49 |\n| 19 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
This is the same | 10:08:51 |\n| 20 | issue. | 10:08:53 |\n| 21 | I think -- Counsel, could you please explain | 10:08:55 |\n| 22 | the relevance of this question to me. | 10:08:56 |\n| 23 | MR. HARBACH:
Well, as you know, | 10:09:02 |\n| 24 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is the debtor, and it is certainly | 10:09:03 |\n| 25 | with- -- within the scope of appropriate topics, in | 10:09:07 |\n| | | Page 41 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | our view, for me to explore Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's | 10:09:13 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | relationship to Golden Spring (New York), which is | 10:09:17 |\n| 3 | his putative lender on this DIP loan; so I'm starting | 10:09:20 |\n| 4 | with the question about where Mr. Kwok lived at the | 10:09:29 |\n| 5 | time the witness started working at Golden Spring | 10:09:32 |\n| 6 | (New York).
That is the relevance. | 10:09:34 |\n| 7 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:09:35 |\n| 8 | Q.
Ms. Wang, what is the answer? | 10:09:35 |\n| 9 | MR. ROSEN:
I'm going to instruct the | 10:09:37 |\n| 10 | witness not to answer this question.
This is -- | 10:09:38 |\n| 11 | there is no relevance that I can see to disclosing | 10:09:42 |\n| 12 | the whereabouts and the present location of parties | 10:09:44 |\n| 13 | here to a DIP loan funding.
This is just -- it is | 10:09:48 |\n| 14 | just harassment. | 10:09:53 |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH:
So you are -- you are | 10:09:57 |\n| 16 | instructing the witness not to answer, Scott? | 10:09:58 |\n| 17 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes, I am. | 10:10:01 |\n| 18 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 10:10:03 |\n| 19 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:10:03 |\n| 20 | Q.
Ms. Wang, when you started working at | 10:10:04 |\n| 21 | Golden Spring (New York), what was your title? | 10:10:06 |\n| 22 | A.
I was -- I am -- I was the -- the president, | 10:10:11 |\n| 23 | secretary, I believe treasurer also, and director. | 10:10:16 |\n| 24 | Q.
So you said, to make sure I have this right: | 10:10:23 |\n| 25 | President, secretary, treasurer, and director; is | 10:10:27 |\n| | | Page 42 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | that correct? | | 10:10:31 |\n|----|---------------|---------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A. | Correct. | 10:10:32 |\n| 3 | Q. | I'm going to show you -- let's call this | 10:10:32 |\n| 4 | number three. | | 10:10:41 |\n| 5 | | (Deposition Exhibit Number 3 | 10:10:43 |\n| 6 | | was marked for identification.) | 10:10:48 |\n| 7 | | MR. HARBACH:
Wait for it to get populated. | 10:10:48 |\n| 8 | | I'm told it should be there.
I have it. | 10:11:27 |\n| 9 | | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:11:30 |\n| 10 | Q. | Ms. Wang, do you have number three? | 10:11:30 |\n| 11 | A. | Yes, sir. | 10:11:34 |\n| 12 | | I have it. | 10:11:35 |\n| 13 | Q. | Okay.
Super. | 10:11:36 |\n| 14 | | Open that -- that one up. | 10:11:37 |\n| 15 | A. | (Witness complies.) | 10:11:39 |\n| 16 | Q. | And tell me if you recognize this document. | 10:11:42 |\n| 17 | A. | Yes. | 10:11:46 |\n| 18 | Q. | Okay.
This is a document that you helped | 10:11:50 |\n| 19 | | create and submitted with an affidavit, isn't it? | 10:11:57 |\n| 20 | A. | What do you mean I created, sir? | 10:12:01 |\n| 21 | Q. | Well, let me withdraw that question. | 10:12:08 |\n| 22 | | You said that you recognized this document. | 10:12:11 |\n| 23 | | What is it? | 10:12:13 |\n| 24 | A. | It is a director and officer register. | 10:12:14 |\n| 25 | Q. | For Golden Spring (New York) Limited? | 10:12:19 |\n| | | | Page 43 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Yes. | 10:12:23 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Did you create this document? | 10:12:24 |\n| 3 | A.
I don't recall.
It should be prepared by -- | 10:12:26 |\n| 4 | I don't recall. | 10:12:37 |\n| 5 | Q.
Give me just one moment, please. | 10:12:37 |\n| 6 | MR. HARBACH:
Sorry for the -- the delay, | 10:13:55 |\n| 7 | y'all, but hopefully I've just saved us a little | 10:13:58 |\n| 8 | time. | 10:14:02 |\n| 9 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:14:04 |\n| 10 | Q.
I'm going to ask you to put aside Exhibit 3, | 10:14:05 |\n| 11 | and I'll come back to that a little later. | 10:14:08 |\n| 12 | Okay? | 10:14:12 |\n| 13 | A.
Yes. | 10:14:12 |\n| 14 | Q.
When -- when you were working for | 10:14:13 |\n| 15 | Golden Spring (Hong Kong), did you have any titles? | 10:14:28 |\n| 16 | A.
I don't recall.
Too many years ago. | 10:14:35 |\n| 17 | Q.
What were your duties at Golden Spring | 10:14:42 |\n| 18 | (Hong Kong)? | 10:14:45 |\n| 19 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
This -- can you | 10:14:47 |\n| 20 | please point to which topic on 30(b)(6) that | 10:14:50 |\n| 21 | a corporate witness of Golden Spring (New York) that | 10:14:55 |\n| 22 | this would -- this would be appropriate to? | 10:14:59 |\n| 23 | MR. HARBACH:
Again, I'm exploring her | 10:15:01 |\n| 24 | competency to testify as a representative of | 10:15:04 |\n| 25 | Golden Spring (New York) by reference to her prior | 10:15:07 |\n| | | Page 44 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | experience and its relationship to her current | 10:15:10 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | titles. | 10:15:13 |\n| 3 | MR. ROSEN:
I'll let the objection stand. | 10:15:16 |\n| 4 | But you can answer the question. | 10:15:19 |\n| 5 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:15:22 |\n| 6 | Q.
The question, Ms. Wang, was what were your | 10:15:23 |\n| 7 | duties at Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? | 10:15:25 |\n| 8 | A.
I took instruction from the owner of | 10:15:28 |\n| 9 | company, Mr. Qiang Guo, and worked for him. | 10:15:34 |\n| 10 | Q.
Did you -- doing what? | 10:15:42 |\n| 11 | A.
Doing the task that he request me to do. | 10:15:46 |\n| 12 | I don't recall.
It is too many years ago. | 10:15:52 |\n| 13 | Q.
You -- you -- you don't recall what your | 10:15:54 |\n| 14 | tasks were? | 10:15:56 |\n| 15 | A.
It is pretty diversified. | 10:15:58 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Do you recall whether when you were | 10:16:04 |\n| 17 | working for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) you did any | 10:16:15 |\n| 18 | work for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 10:16:20 |\n| 19 | A.
I'm sorry. | 10:16:21 |\n| 20 | Sir, what is your question? | 10:16:22 |\n| 21 | Q.
When you were working for Golden Spring | 10:16:24 |\n| 22 | Hong Kong, did you do any work for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 10:16:30 |\n| 23 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:16:32 |\n| 24 | Q.
Who appointed you to be president, | 10:16:33 |\n| 25 | secretary, treasurer, and a director of Golden Spring | 10:16:45 |\n| | | Page 45 |\n\n280\n\n1 (New York) Limited? 10:16:51\n\n2 A. I was appointed by Mr. Qiang Guo. 10:16:52\n\n3 Q. When he appointed you to those positions, 10:16:56\n\n4 what did he tell you your duties would be? 10:17:00\n\n| 5 | A.
I was appointed, and he -- he requested me | 10:17:03 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 6 | to operate -- to run Golden Spring (New York), his | 10:17:14 |\n| 7 | company, as general. | 10:17:19 |\n| 8 | Q.
Tell me what you mean by as general. | 10:17:21 |\n| 9 | A.
I mean any task, assignment as the owner of | 10:17:25 |\n| 10 | company, himself, he requested to do that I will work | 10:17:34 |\n\n| 12 | Q.
When you assumed the role of president, | 10:17:40 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 13 | secretary, treasurer, and director of Golden Spring | 10:17:56 |\n| 14 | (New York), did you have any financial professional | 10:18:02 |\n| 15 | knowledge? | 10:18:05 |\n| 16 | A.
What do you mean, financial professional | 10:18:07 |\n| 17 | knowledge, sir? | 10:18:14 |\n| 18 | Q.
Let's go back to Exhibit 1. | 10:18:15 |\n| 19 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 10:18:18 |\n| 20 | Q.
Correction.
Sorry. | 10:18:24 |\n| 21 | Exhibit 2. | 10:18:27 |\n| 22 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 10:18:28 |\n| 23 | Q.
Page forty-seven. | 10:18:35 |\n| | | |\n\n11 for him. 10:17:39\n\n24 A. (Witness complies.) 10:18:39 25 Q. Actually, you might need to look a bit 10:18:51\n\n\n\n| 1 | earlier on to forty-six. | 10:18:55 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Tell me when you are there. | 10:18:59 |\n| 3 | A.
I am on page forty-six. | 10:19:01 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
At the bottom of page forty-six there | 10:19:03 |\n| 5 | is an answer that begins -- and it was in response to | 10:19:07 |\n| 6 | a question about some exhibit you were being shown. | 10:19:11 |\n| 7 | In the course of your answer, which goes on to page | 10:19:15 |\n| 8 | forty-seven, you say, among other things: | 10:19:19 |\n| 9 | \"ANSWER:
I am administrator to | 10:19:22 |\n| 10 | Golden Spring.
This is not my choice because | 10:19:24 |\n| 11 | Chinese Communist party, they kidnap almost | 10:19:27 |\n| 12 | all my colleague, between me and the company; | 10:19:32 |\n| 13 | so my background, I do not have financial | 10:19:35 |\n| 14 | professional knowledge.
I do not have | 10:19:38 |\n| 15 | American real estate professional knowledge.\" | 10:19:41 |\n| 16 | And your answer goes on. | 10:19:44 |\n| 17 | But I have just read the two sentences that | 10:19:47 |\n| 18 | I am interested in for my question because my | 10:19:49 |\n| 19 | question to you was when you assumed the roles of | 10:19:52 |\n| 20 | president, secretary, treasurer, and director of | 10:19:55 |\n| 21 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited, did you have any | 10:20:00 |\n| 22 | financial professional knowledge? | 10:20:04 |\n| 23 | What is the answer? | 10:20:10 |\n| 24 | A.
These deposition happened in which year, | 10:20:11 |\n| 25 | sir?
2018 or '19? | 10:20:17 |\n| | | Page 47 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
The transcript that I just read from was not | 10:20:21 |\n|---|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | a deposition.
It was testimony in court, and it was | 10:20:23 |\n| | | |\n\n| 3 | in May of 2019. | 10:20:28 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 4 | A.
Okay. | 10:20:32 |\n| 5 | Q.
But these -- these appear to have been your | 10:20:32 |\n| 6 | words, and so that is why I asked the question. | 10:20:35 |\n| 7 | A.
So back to 2019, my testifying -- my | 10:20:39 |\n| 8 | testimony was correct.
I mean, the entire -- | 10:20:44 |\n| 9 | Mr. Qiang Guo, his family business, including his | 10:20:50 |\n| 10 | employees, were all persecuted.
They are either | 10:20:53 |\n| 11 | arrested, kidnapped, or disappeared.
I was one of | 10:21:00 |\n| 12 | the survivor by then.
That was correct. | 10:21:04 |\n| 13 | And then when I testified back to 2019, | 10:21:07 |\n| 14 | I said I don't have -- that was -- I am humble; | 10:21:10 |\n| 15 | right?
So that was my testimony -- test- -- | 10:21:18 |\n| 16 | testimony.
And then now in 2022, I mean, I could | 10:21:21 |\n| 17 | learn lots in three years; right? | 10:21:26 |\n| 18 | Q.
Of course. | 10:21:29 |\n| 19 | A.
So -- | 10:21:29 |\n| 20 | Q.
Of course. | 10:21:29 |\n| 21 | A.
-- that doesn't mean I don't have anything | 10:21:29 |\n| 22 | for now -- | 10:21:31 |\n| 23 | Q.
Of course. | 10:21:32 |\n| 24 | A.
-- to testify in this bankruptcy, you know, | 10:21:32 |\n| 25 | deposition. | 10:21:35 |\n| | | Page 48 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Yeah.
I understand that -- that three years | 10:21:35 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | have passed.
My question isn't about today. | 10:21:38 |\n| 3 | My question is about the day when you were | 10:21:43 |\n| 4 | appointed to be president, secretary, treasurer, and | 10:21:47 |\n| 5 | director of Golden Spring (New York).
I'm asking | 10:21:53 |\n| 6 | about that day. | 10:21:56 |\n| 7 | And my question is as of that day, did you | 10:21:59 |\n| 8 | have any financial professional knowledge? | 10:22:03 |\n| 9 | A.
What kind of financial professional | 10:22:08 |\n| 10 | knowledge you are looking for back to three years | 10:22:13 |\n| 11 | ago, sir? | 10:22:15 |\n| 12 | Q.
They were your words, Ms. Wang.
You said, | 10:22:16 |\n| 13 | I do not have financial professional knowledge. | 10:22:21 |\n| 14 | I don't know what you meant.
That would be a good | 10:22:26 |\n| 15 | question, but it is what you said; so that is why | 10:22:28 |\n| 16 | I used those words in asking you.
It is a simple | 10:22:33 |\n| 17 | question. | 10:22:36 |\n| 18 | All I'm asking is at the time you assumed | 10:22:38 |\n| 19 | all of those titles at Golden Spring (New York), did | 10:22:41 |\n| 20 | you have any financial professional knowledge?
Yes | 10:22:44 |\n| 21 | or no? | 10:22:49 |\n| 22 | A.
When I say I didn't -- when I said I don't | 10:22:54 |\n| 23 | have, as I repeat again, that is our culture -- our | 10:22:58 |\n| 24 | culture, Chinese culture.
I was humble to say | 10:23:05 |\n| 25 | I don't have professional knowledge. | 10:23:09 |\n| | | Page 49 |\n\n1 Q. I understand. 10:23:11\n\n2 A. English is not my mother language. I do not 10:23:12\n\n3 mean that I know nothing about financial, if that is 10:23:15\n\n4 the answer you are looking for, sir. 10:23:20\n\n280\n\n5 Q. All I'm looking for is the truth, first of 10:23:22 6 all. 10:23:25 7 Second, I am not asking you to be humble or 10:23:26\n\n8 proud. I'm just asking you to be honest. 10:23:31 9 A. I am. 10:23:34 10 Q. So similarly, I mean, you were under oath 10:23:34 11 when you testified in court, and I think the 10:23:38 12 expectation would have been that you be honest then 10:23:40 13 as well. 10:23:43 14 A. I was. 10:23:44 15 Q. Okay. So I wasn't there that day. All 10:23:45 16 I have is the transcript. And I'm just being -- I'm 10:23:48 17 being honest with you. That is the reason for my 10:23:52\n\n18 question is because I saw that you said that you 10:23:54 19 don't have any financial professional knowledge. 10:23:58 20 So I suppose the question is if you were 10:24:01\n\n just being humble back in 2019, do you mean to say 10:24:05 that you, in fact, did have financial professional 10:24:10 knowledge when you were appointed to all of those 10:24:14 positions at Golden Spring? Is that what you were 10:24:16 trying to say? 10:24:20\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
I am not trying to say anything.
My | 10:24:20 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | testimony -- back to 2019, that was my testimony, and | 10:24:23 |\n| 3 | that -- I stay with that.
That is a -- true and | 10:24:27 |\n| 4 | accurate information, sir.
And regarding right now | 10:24:31 |\n| 5 | what are you looking for after three years, I do not | 10:24:34 |\n| 6 | understand, and I will do my best to help you. | 10:24:38 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
Same question about the next sentence | 10:24:40 |\n| 8 | on the transcript, which says: | 10:24:44 |\n| 9 | \"I do not have American real estate | 10:24:46 |\n| 10 | professional knowledge.\" | 10:24:49 |\n| 11 | Was that true when you said those words in | 10:24:50 |\n| 12 | 2019? | 10:24:53 |\n| 13 | A.
It is correct.
I am not real -- realtor. | 10:24:55 |\n| 14 | I am not a licensed realtor; right?
That was | 10:25:00 |\n| 15 | correct. | 10:25:03 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
So it is correct that at least as of | 10:25:06 |\n| 17 | May of 2019 you did not have American real estate | 10:25:09 |\n| 18 | professional knowledge -- | 10:25:14 |\n| 19 | A.
Correct. | 10:25:15 |\n| 20 | Q.
-- correct? | 10:25:16 |\n| 21 | A.
I don't have a license at all by then. | 10:25:16 |\n| 22 | Q.
Next question. | 10:25:19 |\n| 23 | Is it true that in your capacity as | 10:25:29 |\n| 24 | president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited you | 10:25:36 |\n| 25 | serve as an administrator for the interests of | 10:25:42 |\n| | | Page 51 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his family? | 10:25:46 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
Calls for a legal | 10:25:51 |\n| 3 | conclusion. | 10:25:52 |\n| 4 | You can answer that. | 10:25:53 |\n| 5 | THE WITNESS:
I need interpreter help me. | 10:25:56 |\n| 6 | I don't understand your question, sir. | 10:25:59 |\n| 7 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
But before we -- before | 10:26:01 |\n| 8 | we go there -- actually, let -- let's -- Sunny, if | 10:26:03 |\n| 9 | you don't mind, I will ask the question again.
And | 10:26:09 |\n| 10 | I'm -- I'm sorry to refer to you by your first name. | 10:26:12 |\n| 11 | That is unprofessional.
Sorry.
Ms. Johnston. | 10:26:15 |\n| 12 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:26:15 |\n| 13 | Q.
Ms. Wang, the question is in your capacity | 10:26:20 |\n| 14 | as president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited, | 10:26:23 |\n| 15 | isn't it true that you serve as an administrator for | 10:26:30 |\n| 16 | the interests of Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his | 10:26:35 |\n| 17 | family? | 10:26:40 |\n| 18 | MR. ROSEN:
I'll repeat the objection. | 10:26:43 |\n| 19 | You can answer the question. | 10:26:46 |\n| 20 | MR. HARBACH:
(Interprets question.) | 10:27:15 |\n| 21 | THE CHECK INTERPRETER:
The check | 10:27:15 |\n| 22 | interpreter heard Mr. Kwok and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and | 10:27:16 |\n| 23 | his family. | 10:27:20 |\n| 24 | MR. HARBACH:
That is correct. | 10:27:21 |\n| 25 | That was the question. | 10:27:22 |\n| | | Page 52 |\n\n1 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Yes. 10:27:24\n\n2 But not Wengui Guo; right? 10:27:25\n\n3 MR. HARBACH: That -- 10:27:29\n\n4 THE INTERPRETER: That is his Mandarin name, 10:27:29\n\n5 Ho Wan Kwok. The Mandarin is Wengui Guo. 10:27:36\n\n6 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: But, I mean, the 10:27:42\n\n7 counsel said Ho Wan Kwok. 10:27:43 8 MR. HARBACH: Yes. 10:27:45 9 The reason that counsel said Ho Wan Kwok was 10:27:45 10 because the witness said that is how she knows the 10:27:48\n\n11 debtor. I asked her earlier whether she knew the 10:27:51 12 name Wengui Guo, and she said she knows him as 10:27:56 13 Ho Wan Kwok; so that is why I used that name. 10:28:01 14 THE INTERPRETER: Yes. 10:28:03 15 MR. HARBACH: But we can clear this -- we 10:28:05 16 can clear this up now, Ms. Wilkinson. 10:28:06 17 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Okay. 10:28:08 18 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:28:08 19 Q. Ms. Wang, what name would you prefer to use 10:28:08 20 going forward to refer to Mr. Qiang Guo's father? 10:28:12 21 A. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 10:28:18 22 Q. Very good. 10:28:19 23 A. That is the debtor; right? That is the 10:28:20 24 debtor's name. 10:28:21 25 Am I right. 10:28:23\n\n> Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127\n\n1 Q. You are right. That is correct. 10:28:24\n\n2 A. Let's go with it, yeah. Uh-huh. 10:28:25\n\n3 Q. So would you like Ms. Johnston to repeat the 10:28:27\n\n4 question in Chinese for you, ma'am? 10:28:30\n\n| 5 | A.
Yes, please. | 10:28:32 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 6 | Q.
Okay. | 10:28:34 |\n| 7 | THE INTERPRETER:
Mr. Harbach, can you just | 10:28:37 |\n| 8 | repeat the question one more time, please. | 10:28:39 |\n| 9 | MR. HARBACH:
Sure.
No problem. | 10:28:42 |\n| 10 | THE INTERPRETER:
Just so you know, the | 10:28:46 |\n\n interpreter does not speak Cantonese; so I will just 10:28:48 re- -- I will just say the name the way you pronounce 10:28:53 it instead of saying the Mandarin name. 10:28:54 14 MR. HARBACH: Okay. That -- that's fine. 10:28:57\n\n15 And, obviously, I speak neither; so I will rely on 10:28:59 16 you all. 10:29:02 17 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:29:03 18 Q. So here is the question. 10:29:03 19 In your capacity as president of 10:29:05 20 Golden Spring (New York) Limited, isn't it true that 10:29:07 21 you serve as an administrator for the interests of 10:29:12 22 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his family? 10:29:18 23 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 10:29:23 24 You may answer. 10:29:25 25 THE WITNESS: (Through Interpreter) Well, 10:29:59\n\n> Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127\n\n\n\n| 1 | first of all, I don't know what you meant by the word | 10:30:07 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | administrator. | 10:30:10 |\n| 3 | And, second, I worked for Mr. Qiang Guo. | 10:30:11 |\n| 4 | MR. HARBACH:
Is that the end of the answer, | 10:30:22 |\n| 5 | Ms. Johnston? | 10:30:23 |\n| 6 | THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, it was. | 10:30:25 |\n| 7 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
Thank you. | 10:30:27 |\n| 8 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:30:28 |\n| 9 | Q.
Let's take a look now at Exhibit 4. | 10:30:28 |\n| 10 | (Deposition Exhibit Number 4 | 10:30:31 |\n| 11 | was marked for identification.) | 10:30:35 |\n| 12 | THE WITNESS:
(Witness complies.) | 10:30:35 |\n| 13 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:30:57 |\n| 14 | Q.
Okay.
I have got it, Ms. Wang.
I hope you | 10:30:57 |\n| 15 | do too. | 10:31:00 |\n| 16 | A.
(In English)
Yes. | 10:31:01 |\n| 17 | I am here. | 10:31:03 |\n| 18 | Q.
Very good. | 10:31:04 |\n| 19 | Open up Exhibit 4, please. | 10:31:05 |\n| 20 | A.
Yes. | 10:31:07 |\n| 21 | Q.
And the first thing I want to do is go to | 10:31:07 |\n| 22 | the very last page. | 10:31:10 |\n| 23 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 10:31:12 |\n| 24 | Q.
Are you there? | 10:31:14 |\n| 25 | A.
Yes. | 10:31:15 |\n| | | Page 55 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q. | Is that your signature on the top right of | 10:31:15 |\n|----|----------------|------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Exhibit 4? | | 10:31:19 |\n| 3 | A. | Sorry, sir. | 10:31:25 |\n| 4 | | You mean Exhibit 4; right? | 10:31:26 |\n| 5 | Q. | Yes, sir -- or excuse me.
Yes, ma'am. | 10:31:28 |\n| 6 | A. | Okay.
I opened the wrong one. | 10:31:33 |\n| 7 | Q. | Okay. | 10:31:35 |\n| 8 | A. | So let me go back. | 10:31:35 |\n| 9 | | Exhibit 4, you mean the director and officer | 10:31:37 |\n| 10 | register? | | 10:31:40 |\n| 11 | Q. | No.
No.
No. | 10:31:41 |\n| 12 | A. | Okay.
That's -- | 10:31:44 |\n| 13 | Q. | This is the one that says exhibit, and then | 10:31:44 |\n| 14 | | it has the number next to it, four. | 10:31:47 |\n| 15 | A. | Okay. | 10:31:50 |\n| 16 | Q. | So when you open that up, the first page | 10:31:51 |\n| 17 | | says affidavit of Yan Ping Wang. | 10:31:54 |\n| 18 | | Let me know if you have the right document. | 10:31:58 |\n| 19 | A. | Yes. | 10:32:01 |\n| 20 | Q. | Good. | 10:32:01 |\n| 21 | | Now go to the last page of it, please.
That | 10:32:02 |\n| 22 | is page three. | | 10:32:05 |\n| 23 | A. | (Witness complies.) | 10:32:06 |\n| 24 | | Yes. | 10:32:06 |\n| 25 | Q. | My question to you is is that signature on | 10:32:07 |\n| | | | Page 56 |\n\nVeritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127\n\n\n\n| 1 | the top right-hand corner of page three of Exhibit 4 | 10:32:12 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | yours? | 10:32:16 |\n| 3 | A.
Yes. | 10:32:17 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
Now let's go back to page one. | 10:32:18 |\n| 5 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 10:32:21 |\n| 6 | Q.
And you can see that this is an affidavit | 10:32:21 |\n| 7 | that you signed and that was filed in the | 10:32:26 |\n| 8 | Supreme Court of the State of New York on May 16th of | 10:32:28 |\n| 9 | 2018. | 10:32:32 |\n| 10 | Do you see that? | 10:32:34 |\n| 11 | A.
Yes. | 10:32:35 |\n| 12 | Q.
Okay.
Now, I also note that on page | 10:32:40 |\n| 13 | three -- sorry to keep jerking you around. | 10:32:43 |\n| 14 | Could you please go to page three. | 10:32:47 |\n| 15 | A.
The last page; right? | 10:32:50 |\n| 16 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 10:32:54 |\n| 17 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 10:32:55 |\n| 18 | Yes. | 10:32:55 |\n| 19 | I am here. | 10:32:56 |\n| 20 | Q.
You will see above the notary public's | 10:32:56 |\n| 21 | signature that it indicates that it was sworn on | 10:32:59 |\n| | | |\n\n22 May 15th of 2018. 10:33:02\n\n23 Do you see that there? 10:33:04\n\n24 A. Yes. 10:33:05\n\n25 Q. Okay. Now go back to page one for me. 10:33:08\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 10:33:11 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Tell me when you are there. | 10:33:14 |\n| 3 | A.
Yes. | 10:33:17 |\n| 4 | Q.
The very first sentence of your dep- -- | 10:33:18 |\n| 5 | excuse me.
Of this affidavit says: | 10:33:23 |\n| 6 | \"I am the president of Golden Spring | 10:33:26 |\n| 7 | (New York) Limited, and in that capacity | 10:33:28 |\n| 8 | serve as an administrator for the interests | 10:33:32 |\n| 9 | of the defendant sued herein as Kwok Ho | 10:33:35 |\n| 10 | Wan\" -- | 10:33:35 |\n| 11 | And then there follows several akas. | 10:33:42 |\n| 12 | -- \"and his family,\" period. | 10:33:46 |\n| 13 | Do you see that sentence? | 10:33:48 |\n| 14 | A.
Yes. | 10:33:52 |\n| 15 | Q.
So I'll ask you to tell me what being an | 10:33:52 |\n| 16 | administrator of the interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and | 10:34:00 |\n| 17 | his family means, because they are your words. | 10:34:12 |\n| 18 | A.
This is drafted by the attorneys also; so in | 10:34:16 |\n| 19 | my understanding, an administrator, these words -- | 10:34:20 |\n| 20 | as, again, I am not native speaker at all -- means | 10:34:25 |\n| 21 | that I work for Golden Spring and take instruction | 10:34:30 |\n| 22 | from owner of Golden Spring to work out the | 10:34:32 |\n| 23 | assignment and task Golden Spring request me to do is | 10:34:39 |\n| 24 | what I mean in here. | 10:34:43 |\n| 25 | Q.
How many affidavits do you think you have | 10:34:44 |\n| | | Page 58 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | signed in your lifetime? | 10:34:48 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:34:50 |\n| 3 | Q.
More than five? | 10:34:52 |\n| 4 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:34:55 |\n| 5 | Q.
More than twenty-five? | 10:34:57 |\n| 6 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:34:59 |\n| 7 | Q.
Maybe more than fifty? | 10:35:01 |\n| 8 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:35:04 |\n| 9 | Q.
Do you know what -- what an affidavit is? | 10:35:08 |\n| 10 | A.
What do you mean, do I know what affidavit | 10:35:12 |\n| 11 | is? | 10:35:17 |\n| 12 | Q.
Do you know what an affidavit is?
Do you | 10:35:18 |\n| 13 | know what the word means? | 10:35:20 |\n| 14 | A.
I don't understand your question. | 10:35:23 |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH:
Ms. Johnston, can you please | 10:35:30 |\n| 16 | translate. | 10:35:33 |\n| 17 | Do you know what an affidavit is? | 10:35:34 |\n| 18 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Interprets question.) | 10:35:47 |\n| 19 | THE WITNESS:
So I don't understand your | 10:35:47 |\n| 20 | question.
All I have done in that I work for | 10:35:58 |\n| 21 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited.
I am not native | 10:36:01 |\n| 22 | speaker.
I am definitely not legal person either; | 10:36:01 |\n| 23 | right? | 10:36:01 |\n| 24 | So like, I just to be here, and then what | 10:36:06 |\n| 25 | being before there to tell the legal all the truthful | 10:36:07 |\n| | | Page 59 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | information as best of my capacity and as best of my | 10:36:11 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | knowledge -- | 10:36:15 |\n| 3 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 10:36:16 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay. | 10:36:16 |\n| 5 | A.
-- is what I can say. | 10:36:16 |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay. | 10:36:18 |\n| 7 | A.
I don't know what you are looking for. | 10:36:18 |\n| 8 | I mean, if you are looking for words in the | 10:36:20 |\n| 9 | dictionary, I don't know what you are looking for. | 10:36:22 |\n| 10 | Q.
I'm asking you if you know what an affidavit | 10:36:24 |\n| 11 | is. | 10:36:27 |\n| 12 | A.
Affidavit is a legal paperwork. | 10:36:28 |\n| 13 | Q.
Okay.
And do you understand that an | 10:36:30 |\n| 14 | affidavit is a piece of legal paperwork where | 10:36:34 |\n| 15 | a person provides testimony that is sworn under oath? | 10:36:38 |\n| 16 | A.
Yes. | 10:36:46 |\n| 17 | Q.
Okay.
And you told me a moment ago you -- | 10:36:47 |\n| 18 | actually, I want to be fair. | 10:36:51 |\n| 19 | You don't -- you don't know how many | 10:36:54 |\n| 20 | affidavits you may have done in the past; is that | 10:36:56 |\n| 21 | correct? | 10:37:01 |\n| 22 | A.
I don't recall.
Like, why should I recall | 10:37:02 |\n| 23 | how many of them?
I mean -- | 10:37:08 |\n| 24 | Q.
I'm not -- I'm not suggesting -- | 10:37:10 |\n| 25 | A.
I don't work in a law firm; right? | 10:37:12 |\n| | | Page 60 |\n\n1 Q. I'm not -- 10:37:14\n\n2 A. So why should I recall? 10:37:14\n\n3 Q. I'm not suggesting whether you should or you 10:37:16\n\n4 shouldn't. All I'm asking is whether you know how 10:37:19\n\n5 many affidavits you have prepared in your life. 10:37:23\n\n280\n\n| 6 | And I understood your answer to be that you | 10:37:26 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 7 | do not know; is that right? | 10:37:29 |\n| 8 | A.
Sir, now you are asking in my life.
I don't | 10:37:31 |\n| 9 | recall.
That is my answer. | 10:37:36 |\n| 10 | Q.
Okay.
That is fine.
That is all I'm | 10:37:38 |\n| 11 | asking. | 10:37:41 |\n\n12 You have told me that you understand an 10:37:43 affidavit to be a legal document where a person 10:37:46 provides testimony that is sworn under oath; is that 10:37:51 right? 10:37:55 16 A. The sentence which you read me through, this 10:37:58 was I signed back to 2018. And then now as 10:38:01 April 2020 [sic] of course I couldn't remember that, 10:38:08 like, four years ago almost. 10:38:15 20 Q. But -- 10:38:17 21 A. But I do know that that is a legal 10:38:17 paperwork. I gave all my truthful and honest 10:38:19 information in that paperwork. This I am testifying 10:38:22 right now. 10:38:25 25 Q. Okay. And so when you signed this affidavit 10:38:26\n\n\n\n| 1 | in May of 2018, it was truthful when you signed it; | 10:38:29 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | is that correct? | 10:38:39 |\n| 3 | A.
When I signed and I gave all my truthful | 10:38:41 |\n| 4 | information. | 10:38:47 |\n| 5 | Q.
Was this -- this affidavit that is Exhibit 4 | 10:38:49 |\n| 6 | that we're looking at, was it true when you signed it | 10:38:53 |\n| 7 | and swore to it? | 10:38:58 |\n| 8 | A.
I signed affidavit back to 2018 of this | 10:39:03 |\n| 9 | one.
That is my best and truthful knowledge and | 10:39:07 |\n| 10 | information I gave. | 10:39:12 |\n| 11 | Q.
Is that a \"yes\"? | 10:39:14 |\n| 12 | A.
I answered your question, sir, already. | 10:39:17 |\n| 13 | Q.
Well, I'm going to ask it one more time. | 10:39:20 |\n| 14 | I think you may have, but I want to ask it one more | 10:39:24 |\n| 15 | time just to make sure we are clear. | 10:39:28 |\n| 16 | Was this affidavit -- that is, Exhibit 4 -- | 10:39:30 |\n| 17 | true at the time that you signed it? | 10:39:32 |\n| 18 | A.
What do you mean, at the time when I signed | 10:39:37 |\n| 19 | it?
I mean, I signed it as true back in 2018. | 10:39:46 |\n| 20 | Q.
Right. | 10:39:51 |\n| 21 | And -- and here's the -- here's the problem. | 10:39:51 |\n| 22 | Just a few minutes ago, when I asked you about the | 10:39:55 |\n| 23 | first sentence of Exhibit 4, you said something about | 10:39:59 |\n| 24 | this document being prepared by lawyers and that | 10:40:02 |\n| 25 | English isn't your first language and that -- and so | 10:40:06 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | that is why I'm asking these questions so that I can | 10:40:12 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | understand whether what is written on the page here | 10:40:15 |\n| 3 | is your truthful testimony or not. | 10:40:19 |\n| 4 | A.
So | 10:40:27 |\n| 5 | Q.
All I can do is ask you -- let me finish my | 10:40:29 |\n| 6 | question. | 10:40:33 |\n| 7 | I don't know what is in your brain.
All | 10:40:33 |\n| 8 | I can do is ask questions.
You have told me that you | 10:40:36 |\n| 9 | signed this document.
You have told me that you | 10:40:39 |\n| 10 | understand it is an affidavit.
You have told me what | 10:40:41 |\n| 11 | you understand an affidavit to be. | 10:40:45 |\n| 12 | And so now all I'm asking you is whether | 10:40:50 |\n| 13 | this particular affidavit was true when you signed | 10:40:53 |\n| 14 | it.
That is a yes, no, I don't know, or I don't | 10:40:59 |\n| 15 | remember question. | 10:41:06 |\n| 16 | A.
This is several questions, sir.
I cannot | 10:41:11 |\n| 17 | only answer one yes or one no. | 10:41:14 |\n| 18 | Q.
Sure you can.
It is a single question.
The | 10:41:17 |\n| 19 | answer can be either yes, it could be no, it could be | 10:41:21 |\n| 20 | I don't know, or it could be I don't remember. | 10:41:25 |\n| 21 | A.
The affidavit -- | 10:41:32 |\n| 22 | Q.
Do you need me to ask the question one more | 10:41:33 |\n| 23 | time? | 10:41:36 |\n| 24 | A.
The affidavit, which I signed back to 2018, | 10:41:36 |\n| 25 | was drafted by attorney, yes.
My language -- English | 10:41:39 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | is not my native language, yes.
I signed affidavit | 10:41:45 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | back to 2018.
That is a truthful information as best | 10:41:50 |\n| 3 | of my knowledge.
By then, when I signed my name in | 10:41:53 |\n| 4 | there, yes. | 10:41:57 |\n| 5 | I'm testifying right now to explain and let | 10:41:58 |\n| 6 | you know all of those yes and no, that is my truthful | 10:42:02 |\n| 7 | testimony by now, yes.
This is all my yes and no | 10:42:06 |\n| 8 | answer, sir. | 10:42:10 |\n| 9 | Q.
At the time that you signed Exhibit 4, did | 10:42:11 |\n| 10 | you understand it? | 10:42:14 |\n| 11 | A.
Understand what? | 10:42:18 |\n| 12 | Q.
Did you understand what you were signing? | 10:42:19 |\n| 13 | A.
The affidavit. | 10:42:22 |\n| 14 | Q.
Were you able to read it and understand what | 10:42:24 |\n| 15 | it said? | 10:42:27 |\n| 16 | A.
I don't understand your question.
What -- | 10:42:31 |\n| 17 | you are asking my recollection back to 2018? | 10:42:35 |\n| 18 | Q.
You -- | 10:42:38 |\n| 19 | A.
I don't recall. | 10:42:38 |\n| 20 | Q.
You don't recall whether when you signed | 10:42:38 |\n| 21 | this affidavit you understood what it said? | 10:42:41 |\n| 22 | A.
It is four years ago, sir.
I don't recall | 10:42:46 |\n| 23 | the details by then. | 10:42:49 |\n| 24 | Q.
Do you make a habit of signing affidavits | 10:42:51 |\n| 25 | under oath when you don't understand what they say -- | 10:42:55 |\n| | | Page 64 |\n\n with- -- withdrawn. 10:42:58 2 MR. HARBACH: Scott, you don't have to 10:43:01 object. 10:43:02 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:43:03 5 Q. Do you recall whether this affidavit was 10:43:04 translated for you? 10:43:06 7 A. I don't recall. Again, like, it is three or 10:43:07 four years ago. I don't recall. 10:43:11 9 Q. When was the last affidavit that you 10:43:16 executed, approximately? 10:43:26 11 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 10:43:28 12 We -- we have really got to move on, David. 10:43:30 This is -- 10:43:34 14 MR. HARBACH: Listen, now, Scott. This is 10:43:35 nothing personal, obviously. I would love nothing 10:43:38 more than to move on, but I'm just trying to get the 10:43:40 witness to adopt what she swore to three years ago. 10:43:44 18 MR. ROSEN: All right. How is that relevant 10:43:51 to the 30(b)(6) deposition topics today? 10:43:53 20 MR. HARBACH: Oh, because it is squarely 10:43:56 within what her job is as president of Golden Spring 10:43:58 (New York). That is 100 percent within the scope of 10:44:02 what we're talking about here. She has told us about 10:44:05 all the titles that she has, and I'm exploring what 10:44:09 she does. And she has filed an affidavit saying that 10:44:13\n\n\n\n| 1 | her job is what we have read several times, and now | 10:44:16 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | she doesn't want to answer that.
She doesn't want to | 10:44:20 |\n| 3 | own that; so I'm going to stop arguing, but it is | 10:44:23 |\n| 4 | plainly relevant.
Plainly relevant. | 10:44:27 |\n| 5 | You can instruct her not to answer.
You can | 10:44:30 |\n| 6 | instruct her not to answer any question that mentions | 10:44:33 |\n| 7 | Ho Wan Kwok if you want.
But I'm going to stay right | 10:44:36 |\n| 8 | here until I understand what was in this witness' | 10:44:39 |\n| 9 | head when she signed this affidavit. | 10:44:42 |\n| 10 | MR. ROSEN:
Well, I think you have -- you | 10:44:44 |\n| 11 | have pretty much established on the record that what | 10:44:46 |\n| 12 | you are going for has nothing to do with this DIP | 10:44:50 |\n| 13 | loan. | 10:44:52 |\n| 14 | So I am going to instruct the witness not to | 10:44:52 |\n| 15 | answer this question. | 10:44:55 |\n| 16 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
I think we should take | 10:44:56 |\n| 17 | a little break because, among other things, I need to | 10:44:59 |\n| 18 | go to the restroom. | 10:45:01 |\n| 19 | So can we please, Mr. Videographer, take ten | 10:45:03 |\n| 20 | minutes. | 10:45:06 |\n| 21 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are going off the | 10:45:06 |\n| 22 | record. | 10:45:08 |\n| 23 | The time is 10:45. | 10:45:08 |\n| 24 | (Short recess taken.) | 10:45:10 |\n| 25 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are back on the | 11:00:21 |\n| | | Page 66 |\n\n record. 11:00:23 2 The time is 11:00 o'clock. 11:00:23 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:00:31 4 Q. Ms. Wang, before the break I was asking you 11:00:35 about Exhibit 4, which is an affidavit that you 11:00:37 signed in May of 2018. 11:00:43 7 MR. HARBACH: Scott, I confess, I do not 11:00:48 recall whether where we left off was with your 11:00:51 instructing the witness not to answer my question -- 11:00:54 any more questions about this. And let me -- and let 11:01:00 me just -- let me say before you answer that if you 11:01:04 let me answer one or two -- ask one or two more, I'll 11:01:07 move on. 11:01:13 14 MR. ROSEN: I appreciate that, and yeah. 11:01:14 Please -- I'll instruct the witness at this time to 11:01:18 answer the question. 11:01:22 17 MR. HARBACH: Okay. Thank you. 11:01:24 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:01:25 19 Q. So Ms. Wang, do you still have Exhibit 4 in 11:01:25 front of you? 11:01:30 21 A. Exhibit 4? Yes, sir. Yes. 11:01:32 22 Q. Okay. So again, reminding you that this 11:01:38 affidavit was signed in May 2018. 11:01:41 24 My question for you is is it true that in 11:01:45 May of 2018, as president of Golden Spring 11:01:51 Page 67\n\n\n\n| 1 | (New York), you served as an administrator for the | 11:01:57 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and his family? | 11:02:01 |\n| 3 | A.
Yes. | 11:02:07 |\n| 4 | As the language read in my affidavit, yes. | 11:02:13 |\n| 5 | Q.
Do you recall what you meant by an | 11:02:16 |\n| 6 | administrator for the interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan | 11:02:45 |\n| 7 | and his family? | 11:02:49 |\n| 8 | A.
The language in this affidavit was drafted | 11:02:51 |\n| 9 | by attorney, and, in my understanding, | 11:02:57 |\n| 10 | Golden Spring -- as per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, | 11:03:03 |\n| 11 | Golden Spring, like, pay Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, like, his | 11:03:10 |\n| 12 | lifestyle and then et cetera; so that was my | 11:03:17 |\n| 13 | understanding. | 11:03:21 |\n| 14 | Q.
That was your understanding of your role? | 11:03:22 |\n| 15 | Because that was what my question was about. | 11:03:27 |\n| 16 | A.
My role as president of Golden Spring or | 11:03:31 |\n| 17 | administrator? | 11:03:35 |\n| 18 | Q.
Well, you have stated that as president, you | 11:03:36 |\n| 19 | served as an administrator of Mr. Kwok | 11:03:42 |\n| 20 | Ho Wan's interests. | 11:03:46 |\n| 21 | And so I'm asking about whether what you | 11:03:50 |\n| 22 | just described was your role in May of 2018. | 11:03:54 |\n| 23 | A.
I am the president of Golden Spring.
I took | 11:04:01 |\n| 24 | instruction from Mr. Qiang Guo and served as an | 11:04:05 |\n| 25 | administrator -- administrator for his father. | 11:04:09 |\n| | | Page 68 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
And was that true from the moment you began | 11:04:13 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | working at Golden Spring? | 11:04:17 |\n| 3 | A.
Oh, sir, the moment -- again, you are asking | 11:04:21 |\n| 4 | the time; right? | 11:04:25 |\n| 5 | Q.
Well, I'm asking whether what you just | 11:04:27 |\n| 6 | described as your duties as an administrator, was | 11:04:31 |\n| 7 | that true from the beginning, from when you first | 11:04:38 |\n| 8 | started working at Golden Spring (New York)? | 11:04:40 |\n| 9 | A.
When I started working for Golden Spring | 11:04:42 |\n| 10 | (New York), I did take instruction from Mr. Qiang Guo | 11:04:52 |\n| 11 | to -- to serve, as I said, as administrator for his | 11:04:54 |\n| 12 | father. | 11:05:00 |\n| 13 | Q.
And so that would have been in the spring of | 11:05:00 |\n| 14 | 2018, when you started working for Golden Spring | 11:05:04 |\n| 15 | (New York); is that right? | 11:05:07 |\n| 16 | A.
Correct, sir. | 11:05:10 |\n| 17 | Q.
And how frequently did you communicate with | 11:05:11 |\n| 18 | Mr. Qiang Guo during that time, say the spring of | 11:05:16 |\n| 19 | 2018? | 11:05:22 |\n| 20 | A.
I don't recall, but I do believe we -- we | 11:05:24 |\n| 21 | talk as needed. | 11:05:29 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
Once a day? | 11:05:30 |\n| 23 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:05:35 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
Do you recall whether you talked to | 11:05:36 |\n| 25 | him once a week? | 11:05:39 |\n| | | Page 69 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A. | I don't recall.
As I said, we just talk as | 11:05:43 |\n|----|--------------|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | needed. | If, you know, we need to talk, we just talk. | 11:05:47 |\n| 3 | Q. | Okay. | 11:05:51 |\n| 4 | A. | I don't, like, calculate, yeah. | 11:05:52 |\n| 5 | Q. | No.
I understand. | 11:05:54 |\n| 6 | | And I don't mean to be asking for a precise | 11:05:56 |\n| 7 | calculation. | I'm just trying to get a sense of how | 11:05:58 |\n| 8 | | often you talked to him. | 11:06:02 |\n| 9 | | When you talked to him, meaning | 11:06:03 |\n| 10 | | Mr. Qiang Guo, did you speak by phone? in person? | 11:06:06 |\n| 11 | a mix? | | 11:06:12 |\n| 12 | A. | Both. | 11:06:15 |\n| 13 | Q. | Okay.
Hang on one second, please.
Sorry | 11:06:22 |\n| 14 | | for the holdup. | 11:06:58 |\n| 15 | | How often did you communicate with | 11:07:01 |\n| 16 | | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok in the spring of 2018 to fulfill your | 11:07:07 |\n| 17 | | role, as you have described it? | 11:07:13 |\n| 18 | A. | I don't recall. | 11:07:17 |\n| 19 | Q. | Did you ever communicate with him? | 11:07:18 |\n| 20 | A. | Yes. | 11:07:23 |\n| 21 | | We did communicate. | 11:07:26 |\n| 22 | Q. | And was that in person? | 11:07:27 |\n| 23 | A. | Yes. | 11:07:31 |\n| 24 | | In person. | 11:07:33 |\n| 25 | Q. | Okay.
And how frequently? | 11:07:33 |\n| | | | Page 70 |\n\n1 A. I don't recall. 11:07:37\n\n| 2 | Q. | Okay.
More than one a week? | 11:07:40 |\n|---|----|----------------------------------------|----------|\n| 3 | A. | Sir, you are asking back to 2018, when | 11:07:45 |\n| | | | |\n\n| 4 | I start work for Golden Spring? | 11:07:51 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 5 | Q.
Yes.
Yes, ma'am.
I am. | 11:07:54 |\n| 6 | A.
Oh, I don't recall. | 11:07:57 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
Let's see. | 11:07:58 |\n| 8 | MR. HARBACH:
Oh, thank you. | 11:08:26 |\n| 9 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:08:26 |\n| 10 | Q.
My colleague reminds me, I meant to ask this | 11:08:28 |\n| 11 | question. | 11:08:32 |\n| 12 | When you started working at Golden Spring | 11:08:32 |\n| 13 | (New York) in New York City, where did you reside? | 11:08:37 |\n| 14 | I don't mean the -- the exact address, but where did | 11:08:41 |\n| 15 | you reside? | 11:08:45 |\n| 16 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
There are security | 11:08:47 |\n| 17 | reasons that Ms. Wang does not want to give | 11:08:51 |\n| 18 | a residence address. | 11:08:54 |\n| 19 | Are you talking about a city or -- something | 11:08:57 |\n| 20 | as general as a city or are you talking address? | 11:09:00 |\n| 21 | MR. HARBACH:
I'll -- I'll try and ask the | 11:09:05 |\n| 22 | question in a way that avoids those concerns, Scott. | 11:09:07 |\n| 23 | MR. ROSEN:
Thank you. | 11:09:11 |\n| 24 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:09:12 |\n| 25 | Q.
Ms. Wang, when you started working at | 11:09:12 |\n| | | |\n\n1 Golden Spring (New York) in New York City in 2018, 11:09:15 2 did you reside in the same location as 11:09:21 3 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:09:24 4 A. I lived in New York. 11:09:33 5 Q. Did you reside -- again, I'm not talking 11:09:34 6 about now. 11:09:41 7 I'm talking about in 2018, when you started 11:09:41 8 working at Golden Spring (New York), did you reside 11:09:46 9 in the same dwelling as Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:09:51 10 A. Sir, what do you mean by dwelling? Do you 11:10:00 11 mean -- 11:10:03 12 Q. A house. 11:10:03 13 A. Is it -- 11:10:04 14 Q. Is it a house? an apartment? It doesn't 11:10:05 15 matter. 11:10:09 16 Did you live in the same home as 11:10:09 17 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:10:12 18 A. No. 11:10:12 19 Q. Have you ever been to the -- withdrawn. 11:10:19 20 Have you ever lived in the eighteenth floor 11:10:22 21 apartment of the Sherry-Netherland? 11:10:29 22 A. I visited there, sir. 11:10:33 23 Q. Fair enough. 11:10:36 24 I'm asking whether you have ever resided 11:10:36 25 there. 11:10:40 Page 72\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
What do you mean, reside?
As in, like, | 11:10:40 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | my -- my home?
No. | 11:10:45 |\n| 3 | Q.
Okay.
Have you ever stayed there for -- | 11:10:47 |\n| 4 | MR. HARBACH:
And, Scott, this is my last | 11:10:52 |\n| 5 | one. | 11:10:54 |\n| 6 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:10:55 |\n| 7 | Q.
Have you ever stayed there for more than | 11:10:55 |\n| 8 | a couple of weeks? | 11:10:58 |\n| 9 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:10:59 |\n| 10 | Q.
Okay.
Can we turn now to -- back to | 11:11:00 |\n| 11 | Exhibit 1. | 11:11:20 |\n| 12 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 11:11:22 |\n| 13 | Q.
Tell me when you have got it up, Ms. Wang. | 11:11:28 |\n| 14 | A.
Yes, I am. | 11:11:35 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
The cover page, just to help you | 11:11:36 |\n| 16 | orient yourself, is dated October 11th, 2018, which | 11:11:44 |\n| 17 | was the date of this deposition. | 11:11:49 |\n| 18 | Okay? | 11:11:52 |\n| 19 | A.
Yes. | 11:11:54 |\n| 20 | Q.
All right.
And so that is approximately -- | 11:11:54 |\n| 21 | I don't know -- six months after you started working | 11:12:00 |\n| 22 | at Golden Spring (New York)? | 11:12:03 |\n| 23 | A.
And -- yes.
Kind of. | 11:12:11 |\n| 24 | Q.
You said you started working in the spring | 11:12:13 |\n| 25 | of 2018; so approximately six months. | 11:12:16 |\n| | | Page 73 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Is that fair? | 11:12:19 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Yes. | 11:12:20 |\n| 3 | Q.
Okay.
So let's go to page sixty. | 11:12:21 |\n| 4 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 11:12:32 |\n| 5 | Q.
And, again, looking at the little pages. | 11:12:33 |\n| 6 | Tell me when you are there. | 11:12:45 |\n| 7 | A.
Yes. | 11:12:50 |\n| 8 | Q.
Okay.
The very top of page sixty there is | 11:12:50 |\n| 9 | a -- the tail end of a question and then a question | 11:12:54 |\n| 10 | that begins on line two: | 11:12:57 |\n| 11 | \"QUESTION:
Do you know Mileson Kwok?\" | 11:13:00 |\n| 12 | Your answer is: | 11:13:04 |\n| 13 | \"ANSWER:
Yes.\" | 11:13:05 |\n| 14 | The question: | 11:13:06 |\n| 15 | \"QUESTION:
Is that Mr. Kwok's son? | 11:13:06 |\n| 16 | \"ANSWER:
Yes. | 11:13:09 |\n| 17 | \"QUESTION:
Have you ever met him in | 11:13:11 |\n| 18 | person? | 11:13:12 |\n| 19 | \"ANSWER:
Yes. | 11:13:13 |\n| 20 | \"QUESTION:
Does he have any role at | 11:13:14 |\n| 21 | Golden Spring? | 11:13:17 |\n| 22 | \"ANSWER:
I don't know. | 11:13:19 |\n| 23 | \"QUESTION:
You never interacted with | 11:13:22 |\n| 24 | him in regard to any Golden Spring business? | 11:13:24 |\n| 25 | \"ANSWER:
No.\" | 11:13:28 |\n| | | Page 74 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Did I read that correctly? | 11:13:36 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Yes. | 11:13:38 |\n| 3 | Q.
Can you explain -- well, first of all, is | 11:13:39 |\n| 4 | that true? | 11:13:46 |\n| 5 | A.
Well -- | 11:13:52 |\n| 6 | Q.
Let's go through them -- let's go through | 11:13:53 |\n| 7 | them one by one so we can be crystal clear.
First | 11:13:57 |\n| 8 | question: | 11:14:01 |\n| 9 | \"QUESTION:
Do you know Mileson Kwong?\" | 11:14:01 |\n| 10 | Was that true in October 11th, 2018, you | 11:14:09 |\n| 11 | knew Mileson Kwok?
Was that true? | 11:14:11 |\n| 12 | A.
I was given a wrong impression back in 2018. | 11:14:13 |\n| 13 | Like, I was thinking, like, Mileson go with Kwok | 11:14:17 |\n| 14 | also.
The reason why -- | 11:14:22 |\n| 15 | Q.
I am -- | 11:14:22 |\n| 16 | A.
-- I am -- | 11:14:24 |\n| 17 | Q.
-- going to -- | 11:14:24 |\n| 18 | A.
-- testifying -- | 11:14:24 |\n| 19 | Q.
-- interrupt. | 11:14:24 |\n| 20 | A.
-- right now -- | 11:14:25 |\n| 21 | Q.
Yeah. | 11:14:25 |\n| 22 | A.
-- I was corrected by Mr. Qiang Guo. | 11:14:27 |\n| 23 | He purposely corrected me after -- I forget when.
He | 11:14:30 |\n| 24 | corrected me and said that he always go with | 11:14:33 |\n| 25 | Mileson Kwok; so the testimony by then back in 2018 | 11:14:37 |\n| | | Page 75 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | was accurate. | 11:14:41 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay. | 11:14:42 |\n| 3 | A.
The testimony right now, after I was | 11:14:43 |\n| 4 | corrected, is accurate also, sir. | 11:14:45 |\n| 5 | Q.
I see. | 11:14:48 |\n| 6 | And so the -- the correction concerned his | 11:14:49 |\n| 7 | name; right? | 11:14:51 |\n| 8 | A.
Yes. | 11:14:52 |\n| 9 | Mr. Qiang Guo's name. | 11:14:53 |\n| 10 | Q.
Okay. | 11:14:55 |\n| 11 | A.
That is reason why I am insisting calling | 11:14:56 |\n| 12 | him Mr. Qiang Guo; right? | 11:15:00 |\n| 13 | So that is the accurate -- you know, his | 11:15:00 |\n| 14 | official name. | 11:15:04 |\n| 15 | Q.
Understood. | 11:15:04 |\n| 16 | A.
That works better for me, yeah. | 11:15:05 |\n| 17 | MR. HARBACH:
And with apologies to the | 11:15:07 |\n| 18 | reporter for interrupting.
I'll try to do better. | 11:15:10 |\n| 19 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:15:13 |\n| 20 | Q.
Next question on the deposition transcript | 11:15:13 |\n| 21 | is: | 11:15:16 |\n| 22 | \"QUESTION:
Is that Mr. Kwok's son? | 11:15:17 |\n| 23 | \"ANSWER:
Yes.\" | 11:15:20 |\n| 24 | So there is no question whether it is | 11:15:22 |\n| 25 | Mileson Kwok or Qiang Guo. | 11:15:25 |\n| | | Page 76 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | We are talking about Mr. Kwok Ho Wan's son; | 11:15:27 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | correct? | 11:15:34 |\n| 3 | A.
Correct. | 11:15:34 |\n| 4 | Q.
And Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has one, and only one, | 11:15:35 |\n| 5 | son; correct? | 11:15:40 |\n| 6 | A.
Correct. | 11:15:42 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
Next question: | 11:15:43 |\n| 8 | \"QUESTION:
Have you ever met him\" -- | 11:15:47 |\n| 9 | Meaning who we're calling Qiang Guo. | 11:15:51 |\n| 10 | -- \"in person?\" | 11:15:54 |\n| 11 | Your answer was: | 11:15:56 |\n| 12 | \"ANSWER:
Yes.\" | 11:15:58 |\n| 13 | Was that true that you had met Qiang Guo in | 11:16:01 |\n| 14 | person as of October 11th, 2018? | 11:16:05 |\n| 15 | A.
Yes. | 11:16:07 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Next question: | 11:16:07 |\n| 17 | \"QUESTION:
Does he, Qiang Guo, have any | 11:16:17 |\n| 18 | role at Golden Spring?\" | 11:16:17 |\n| 19 | Your answer was you don't know. | 11:16:19 |\n| 20 | Now, this is six months after you said you | 11:16:22 |\n| 21 | started at Golden Spring.
Months after what you | 11:16:25 |\n| 22 | claim earlier were conversations with Mr. Qiang Guo | 11:16:31 |\n| 23 | about your role and duties. | 11:16:35 |\n| 24 | So why, six months after you started at | 11:16:39 |\n| 25 | Golden Spring, did you say that you didn't know | 11:16:42 |\n| | | Page 77 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | whether he had any role? | 11:16:46 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
That was after -- | 11:16:50 |\n| 3 | Q.
Isn't that -- isn't that also true that you | 11:16:52 |\n| 4 | did not know? | 11:16:55 |\n| 5 | A.
So sir, you finish your question; so can | 11:17:02 |\n| 6 | I start to answer or you still have more, sir?
I'll | 11:17:06 |\n| 7 | wait until you finish. | 11:17:09 |\n| 8 | Q.
You -- thank you for waiting. | 11:17:11 |\n| 9 | You can answer if you answer my question. | 11:17:12 |\n| 10 | The question is is it true that as of | 11:17:15 |\n| 11 | October 11th, 2018, you did not know whether | 11:17:19 |\n| 12 | Qiang Guo had any role at Golden Spring?
That is the | 11:17:27 |\n| 13 | question. | 11:17:30 |\n| 14 | A.
Back to 2018, I don't know by then in my | 11:17:33 |\n| 15 | understanding the role means employee or employees; | 11:17:38 |\n| 16 | so by then I did not know whether he was employee or | 11:17:43 |\n| 17 | not.
But I do know he is the boss.
He is the owner. | 11:17:47 |\n| 18 | I do not know whether he is employee or not because | 11:17:51 |\n| 19 | he was majorly handling the Golden Spring majority of | 11:17:54 |\n| 20 | work by then.
I only work and cooperate with him as | 11:18:00 |\n| 21 | needed back in 2018. | 11:18:05 |\n| 22 | Q.
In 2018 you didn't say he was the boss?
Six | 11:18:07 |\n| 23 | months after you claimed to have started working with | 11:18:13 |\n| 24 | him you didn't say he was the boss, did you? | 11:18:16 |\n| 25 | A.
I was not asked whether he was the boss or | 11:18:19 |\n| | | Page 78 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | not. | 11:18:24 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
You were asked whether he had any role? | 11:18:24 |\n| 3 | A.
Any role, in my understanding back to 2018, | 11:18:27 |\n| 4 | as employee. | 11:18:32 |\n| 5 | Q.
Okay.
How about the next question: | 11:18:33 |\n| 6 | \"QUESTION:
You never interacted with | 11:18:37 |\n| 7 | him in regards to any Golden Spring | 11:18:39 |\n| 8 | business?\" | 11:18:43 |\n| 9 | That was the question you were asked, and | 11:18:46 |\n| 10 | the answer you gave was: | 11:18:48 |\n| 11 | \"ANSWER:
No.\" | 11:18:51 |\n| 12 | My question for you right now is is it | 11:18:52 |\n| 13 | true -- is it true that as of October 11th, 2018, you | 11:18:55 |\n| 14 | had not interacted with Qiang Guo in regard to any | 11:19:01 |\n| 15 | Golden Spring business?
Is that true or not? | 11:19:08 |\n| 16 | A.
It is a correct answer because back in 2018, | 11:19:13 |\n| 17 | Mr. Qiang Guo, he was the major person running | 11:19:19 |\n| 18 | Golden Spring; so I didn't understand -- again, | 11:19:22 |\n| 19 | English not my native language -- what is interacted | 11:19:29 |\n| 20 | with.
My understanding, by then he was running the | 11:19:33 |\n| 21 | company.
I just work for him as he needed.
That is | 11:19:35 |\n| 22 | my understanding; so -- which is correct. | 11:19:38 |\n| 23 | Q.
Right. | 11:19:41 |\n| 24 | And you told me five minutes ago that you | 11:19:41 |\n| 25 | had contact with him -- you didn't remember how | 11:19:44 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | frequently -- and that it was -- I believe you said | 11:19:47 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | a mix of by phone and in person. | 11:19:51 |\n| 3 | Do you -- does that not count as interaction | 11:19:59 |\n| 4 | in your mind? | 11:20:02 |\n| 5 | A.
Interact with him in Golden Spring business. | 11:20:03 |\n| 6 | I mean, him and myself, we're friend also along the | 11:20:06 |\n| 7 | way for so many years; so when you ask me five | 11:20:11 |\n| 8 | minutes ago, I mean, we do, like, meet and talk as | 11:20:14 |\n| 9 | needed.
But the question back to 2018, it is asking | 11:20:18 |\n| 10 | about interacted with him in regard to any | 11:20:23 |\n| 11 | Golden Spring business, which my testify was true. | 11:20:26 |\n| 12 | He was in charge of all the Golden Spring business | 11:20:29 |\n| 13 | back to then.
And I know I'm part of Golden Spring, | 11:20:32 |\n| 14 | but, really, like, he -- he was the person running | 11:20:36 |\n| 15 | the business. | 11:20:39 |\n| 16 | Q.
Ms. Wang, isn't it true that, in fact, you | 11:20:40 |\n| 17 | were not interacting with Qiang Guo, certainly not in | 11:20:46 |\n| 18 | 2018, about Golden Spring business?
Isn't that true? | 11:20:51 |\n| 19 | A.
Can you reframe your question again, sir? | 11:20:56 |\n| 20 | Q.
Isn't it true that in 2018 you, in fact, | 11:21:01 |\n| 21 | were not interacting with Mr. Qiang Guo at all | 11:21:05 |\n| 22 | related to anything Golden Spring was doing?
Isn't | 11:21:10 |\n| 23 | that the truth? | 11:21:14 |\n| 24 | A.
I don't recall.
It is too long time ago, | 11:21:15 |\n| 25 | and this deposition was conducted -- I don't believe | 11:21:21 |\n| | | Page 80 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I had an interpreter by then. | 11:21:25 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Isn't it also true that the boss of | 11:21:27 |\n| 3 | Golden Spring (New York), when you started working | 11:21:30 |\n| 4 | there, wasn't Qiang Guo; it was Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 11:21:32 |\n| 5 | Isn't that true? | 11:21:37 |\n| 6 | A.
Golden Spring (New York)'s boss is always | 11:21:38 |\n| 7 | Mr. Qiang Guo. | 11:21:43 |\n| 8 | Q.
Isn't it true that you have been a long-term | 11:21:44 |\n| 9 | employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 11:21:53 |\n| 10 | A.
I have been working for Mr. Qiang Guo, | 11:22:00 |\n| 11 | himself, and his family. | 11:22:04 |\n| 12 | Q.
Yeah.
I'm -- I'm not asking about | 11:22:06 |\n| 13 | Mr. Qiang Guo.
I'll ask the question again. | 11:22:08 |\n| 14 | Isn't it true that you were a long-term | 11:22:13 |\n| 15 | employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 11:22:18 |\n| 16 | A.
I don't believe so.
Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, he | 11:22:23 |\n| 17 | never pay me or ever pays me or pay me at all. | 11:22:25 |\n| 18 | Q.
Does he tell you -- | 11:22:29 |\n| 19 | A.
So I always work for Mr. Qiang Guo and his | 11:22:31 |\n| 20 | business. | 11:22:35 |\n| 21 | Q.
Does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever tell you what to | 11:22:35 |\n| 22 | do? | 11:22:37 |\n| 23 | A.
What do you mean, ever tell me what to -- if | 11:22:38 |\n| 24 | they ask me for help, of course I will offer my help | 11:22:42 |\n| 25 | to him. | 11:22:45 |\n| | | Page 81 |\n\n1 Q. Does -- does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever give you 11:22:46 2 direction? 11:22:48 3 A. He ask for support and help, which I'm 11:22:49 4 always willing to do that for him. 11:22:55 5 Q. Does he ask -- ever ask you to go get 11:22:57 6 coffee? 11:23:00 7 A. I don't recall. 11:23:01 8 What do you mean? 11:23:03 9 Q. You don't -- you don't recall whether 11:23:05 10 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has ever asked you to get coffee? 11:23:07 11 A. Sir, I mean, I don't recall. Just, like, 11:23:11 12 why I should recall someone ask me to get coffee; 11:23:15 13 right? 11:23:18 14 Q. Well, I don't -- I don't know. Maybe he has 11:23:19 15 asked you to get coffee hundreds of times. Maybe he 11:23:21 16 never has. All I can do is ask the question. 11:23:25 17 Do you recall -- 11:23:28 18 A. I don't recall that. 11:23:28 19 Q. -- if Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has ever asked you to 11:23:29 20 go get coffee? 11:23:32 21 A. I don't recall. 11:23:34 22 Q. Okay. What about to translate something for 11:23:34 23 him, meaning Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? Have you ever done 11:23:37 24 that for him? 11:23:40 25 A. Yes, I did. 11:23:41 Page 82\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q. | How frequently? | 11:23:42 |\n|----|--------------|------------------------------------------------|----------------|\n| 2 | A. | I don't recall. | 11:23:44 |\n| 3 | Q. | More than once? | 11:23:48 |\n| 4 | A. | Yes. | 11:23:50 |\n| 5 | | More than once. | 11:23:51 |\n| 6 | Q. | Okay.
When was the last time you translated | 11:23:52 |\n| 7 | | something for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 11:23:55 |\n| 8 | A. | I don't recall. | 11:23:57 |\n| 9 | Q. | Okay.
Let's go to -- | 11:24:01 |\n| 10 | | MR. HARBACH:
What is 331?
I can't see. | Is
11:24:08 |\n| 11 | that -- | | 11:24:11 |\n| 12 | | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:24:13 |\n| 13 | Q. | Okay.
Let's go to Exhibit 2, please. | 11:24:13 |\n| 14 | A. | (Witness complies.) | 11:24:15 |\n| 15 | Q. | And I'll ask you -- do you have Exhibit 2, | 11:24:23 |\n| 16 | Ms. Wang? | | 11:24:26 |\n| 17 | A. | Yes. | 11:24:27 |\n| 18 | Q. | Okay.
Can you go, please, to page | 11:24:27 |\n| 19 | forty-eight. | | 11:24:32 |\n| 20 | A. | (Witness complies.) | 11:24:34 |\n| 21 | Q. | Tell me when you are there. | 11:24:46 |\n| 22 | A. | I'm working on it, sir.
Forty-eight. | 11:24:50 |\n| 23 | Q. | Yes, ma'am. | 11:24:53 |\n| 24 | A. | Yes. | 11:24:56 |\n| 25 | | I am here. | 11:24:56 |\n| | | | Page 83 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
And so there is a long answer on page | 11:24:57 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | forty-eight that goes from line twelve to line | 11:25:02 |\n| 3 | twenty-three.
And I'm not going to read the whole | 11:25:06 |\n| 4 | thing, but I want to direct your attention to the | 11:25:10 |\n| 5 | second half of that answer.
It says: | 11:25:15 |\n| 6 | \"They are arrested and put in jail by | 11:25:19 |\n| 7 | Chinese Communist party.
And a lot of his | 11:25:22 |\n| 8 | family member, including his son, his | 11:25:26 |\n| 9 | daughter, niece, nephew, and his | 11:25:28 |\n| 10 | sister-in-law, brothers, they were all | 11:25:32 |\n| 11 | threatened, kidnapped, and put in jail | 11:25:37 |\n| 12 | without any reason until now, including all | 11:25:40 |\n| 13 | of his, like, long-term employee, just like | 11:25:43 |\n| 14 | me.\" | 11:25:47 |\n| 15 | So you are talking about Mr. Ho Wan Kwok | 11:25:50 |\n| 16 | here; correct? | 11:25:56 |\n| 17 | A.
Can I read the entire from sentence twelve | 11:25:58 |\n| 18 | until twenty-three? | 11:26:04 |\n| 19 | Q.
Absolutely.
Take your time, read it to | 11:26:05 |\n| 20 | yourself, and let me know when you are finished. | 11:26:08 |\n| 21 | A.
Thank you. | 11:26:11 |\n| 22 | Okay.
I finished it, sir. | 11:27:12 |\n| 23 | Q.
Thank you. | 11:27:15 |\n| 24 | My question is the person who you were | 11:27:15 |\n| 25 | talking about in this answer, who you refer to as he | 11:27:18 |\n| | | Page 84 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | and his, is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; correct? | 11:27:22 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
And reading from the language, of course, | 11:27:28 |\n| 3 | this is by -- by the transcript court recorder. | 11:27:33 |\n| 4 | Like, it -- reading from the language, it looks like | 11:27:39 |\n| 5 | yes.
But I am referring to -- as I am starting from | 11:27:43 |\n| 6 | the Guo family, is not just his immediate family, the | 11:27:47 |\n| 7 | entire Guo family. | 11:27:52 |\n| 8 | Q.
Yes. | 11:27:53 |\n| 9 | And you said on line two: | 11:27:54 |\n| 10 | \"Mr. Kwok, Miles Kwok, he is number | 11:27:56 |\n| 11 | seventh son of the whole family.\" | 11:28:06 |\n| 12 | You are talking about the debtor, | 11:28:07 |\n| 13 | Kwok Ho Wan; correct? | 11:28:10 |\n| 14 | A.
Correct. | 11:28:12 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
And then you describe all of his | 11:28:12 |\n| 16 | relatives and the terrible things that happens to | 11:28:16 |\n| 17 | them.
And then you say that the people to whom that | 11:28:21 |\n| 18 | happened include all of his, meaning | 11:28:29 |\n| 19 | Mr. Kwok Ho Wan -- all of his long-term employee, | 11:28:34 |\n| 20 | just like me; so this is the basis for my question | 11:28:41 |\n| 21 | five minutes ago. | 11:28:49 |\n| 22 | Isn't it true that you are a long-term | 11:28:51 |\n| 23 | employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?
Is that true or not? | 11:28:55 |\n| 24 | A.
I am a long-term employee for the Guo | 11:29:01 |\n| 25 | family.
I mean, I didn't remember clearly what was | 11:29:09 |\n| | | Page 85 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | recorded in here.
Like, obviously, I was never in | 11:29:12 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | jail.
I am under threatened, but I was not kidnapped | 11:29:17 |\n| 3 | and in jail.
I think it is still blamed to my broken | 11:29:21 |\n| 4 | English back there.
When I say long-term employee, | 11:29:27 |\n| 5 | my real -- my meaning as the Guo family.
I am | 11:29:30 |\n| 6 | a long-term employee of Guo family. | 11:29:32 |\n| 7 | Q.
Who? | 11:29:36 |\n| 8 | A.
Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, he never hired me by | 11:29:37 |\n| 9 | himself. | 11:29:43 |\n| 10 | Q.
Well, who -- who -- first, since you brought | 11:29:43 |\n| 11 | it up, who was the person who hired you to work for | 11:29:45 |\n| 12 | the Guo family? | 11:29:49 |\n| 13 | A.
It was a company.
It was a company called | 11:29:51 |\n| 14 | Pangu, P-a-n-g-u.
Beijing Pangu. | 11:29:53 |\n| 15 | Q.
Yeah. | 11:29:58 |\n| 16 | And who was the boss of Beijing Pangu when | 11:29:59 |\n| 17 | you were hired to work for the Guo family? | 11:30:03 |\n| 18 | A.
You mean boss, like the owner? | 11:30:07 |\n| 19 | Q.
Well, you know, you can ascribe whatever | 11:30:11 |\n| 20 | meaning you want to boss, Ms. Wang, but you seem to | 11:30:14 |\n| 21 | understand that Qiang Guo is the boss of | 11:30:17 |\n| 22 | Golden Spring; so you tell me. | 11:30:19 |\n| 23 | A.
Oh, understand. | 11:30:21 |\n| 24 | So Beijing Pangu was owned by the Guo | 11:30:22 |\n| 25 | families. | 11:30:28 |\n| | | Page 86 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
So who was it -- | 11:30:29 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. HARBACH:
And -- and, Scott, I won't | 11:30:32 |\n| 3 | stay here long, but she brought it up. | 11:30:35 |\n| 4 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:30:37 |\n| 5 | Q.
Ms. Wang, who was it who told you at the | 11:30:38 |\n| 6 | very beginning -- when you first started working for | 11:30:41 |\n| 7 | the Guo family, who was it who told you you were | 11:30:44 |\n| 8 | hired?
Which person? | 11:30:47 |\n| 9 | A.
I was advised by the HR department, which | 11:30:49 |\n| 10 | I couldn't recall.
That was back in 20- -- 2008. | 11:30:57 |\n| 11 | I couldn't recall.
But I was informed by the HR | 11:31:02 |\n| 12 | department I was hired. | 11:31:06 |\n| 13 | Q.
I'm going to apologize for rewinding just | 11:31:07 |\n| 14 | for a moment back to an earlier topic.
I'll try and | 11:31:19 |\n| 15 | make this clear and efficient. | 11:31:24 |\n| 16 | In Exhibit 4, which is your affidavit, you | 11:31:32 |\n| 17 | recall that -- that I asked you several questions | 11:31:46 |\n| 18 | about what being an administrator for | 11:31:49 |\n| 19 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's interests meant?
You with me? | 11:31:52 |\n| 20 | A.
Yes. | 11:31:58 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
So the reason I'm coming back to this | 11:31:58 |\n| 22 | is because I neglected to point something else out to | 11:32:02 |\n| 23 | you.
And it is Exhibit 1; so could you turn to | 11:32:07 |\n| 24 | Exhibit 1, please. | 11:32:15 |\n| 25 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 11:32:17 |\n| | | Page 87 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | So it is not Exhibit 2?
You want me to go | 11:32:23 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | back to Exhibit 1, sir; right? | 11:32:26 |\n| 3 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 11:32:29 |\n| 4 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 11:32:32 |\n| 5 | I'm here. | 11:32:33 |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay.
Thank you. | 11:32:34 |\n| 7 | Now, could you please scroll forward on the | 11:32:35 |\n| 8 | small pages to page forty-six. | 11:32:38 |\n| 9 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 11:32:42 |\n| 10 | Yes. | 11:32:52 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
Very good. | 11:32:53 |\n| 12 | Now, on this subject of what administrator | 11:32:54 |\n| 13 | means, if you'll look down at line twenty of page | 11:32:59 |\n| 14 | forty-six, you'll see a question: | 11:33:06 |\n| 15 | \"QUESTION:
I'm asking you whether or | 11:33:11 |\n| 16 | not you serve as an administrator for | 11:33:12 |\n| 17 | Mr. Kwok's\" -- | 11:33:17 |\n| 18 | That is Ho Wan Kwok -- for his interests. | 11:33:18 |\n| 19 | And your answer was: | 11:33:22 |\n| 20 | \"ANSWER:
Yes.\" | 11:33:24 |\n| 21 | And then you were asked: | 11:33:25 |\n| 22 | \"QUESTION:
What does that mean?\" | 11:33:27 |\n| 23 | And you said: | 11:33:30 |\n| 24 | \"ANSWER:
Translator,\" comma, | 11:33:31 |\n| 25 | \"assistant.\" | 11:33:33 |\n| | | Page 88 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Do you see that there? | 11:33:36 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Yes. | 11:33:37 |\n| 3 | Q.
Now, you have already told us that you -- | 11:33:38 |\n| 4 | you have, in fact, done some translation for | 11:33:41 |\n| 5 | Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; right? | 11:33:45 |\n| 6 | A.
I translate for him -- translated for him, | 11:33:48 |\n| 7 | yes. | 11:33:52 |\n| 8 | Q.
Yes. | 11:33:53 |\n| 9 | And if -- you also said -- it also says that | 11:33:53 |\n| 10 | you were his assistant. | 11:34:00 |\n| 11 | Is that true? | 11:34:01 |\n| 12 | A.
I mean that I -- I testified as an | 11:34:03 |\n| 13 | administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and I help him as | 11:34:09 |\n| 14 | per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, including, like, | 11:34:13 |\n| 15 | help him to translate, make him understand, include, | 11:34:17 |\n| 16 | like, assist as he needs -- right? -- to support him. | 11:34:22 |\n| 17 | It does not mean I have -- I have a title called | 11:34:27 |\n| 18 | assistant; so if that is what you are looking for. | 11:34:30 |\n| 19 | Q.
Well -- | 11:34:32 |\n| 20 | A.
My meaning was I help him to understand as | 11:34:33 |\n| 21 | to language and support him as he needed as his son's | 11:34:36 |\n| 22 | instruction. | 11:34:40 |\n| 23 | Q.
Okay.
And so what does that mean, other | 11:34:41 |\n| 24 | than the translation work, when you say that assisted | 11:34:43 |\n| 25 | means support him as needed?
What sorts of things | 11:34:47 |\n| | | Page 89 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | did you do for him back in 2018? | 11:34:51 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
Could -- can you | 11:34:57 |\n| 3 | clarify, when you use the word you, are you referring | 11:34:59 |\n| 4 | to Golden Spring, or are you referring to the witness | 11:35:01 |\n| 5 | personally? | 11:35:04 |\n| 6 | MR. HARBACH:
That's fair, Scott. | 11:35:06 |\n| 7 | I believe when -- when she was deposed in | 11:35:08 |\n| 8 | 2018, she was testifying in both her capacity as | 11:35:11 |\n| 9 | a representative of Golden Spring and in her personal | 11:35:16 |\n| 10 | capacity; so she is going to have to clarify that for | 11:35:20 |\n| 11 | me. | 11:35:24 |\n| 12 | MR. ROSEN:
You can answer. | 11:35:26 |\n| 13 | THE WITNESS:
I don't recall. | 11:35:29 |\n| 14 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:35:29 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
And in any case, your role as an | 11:35:31 |\n| 16 | administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's interests, that, | 11:35:35 |\n| 17 | according to you, was in your capacity as president | 11:35:42 |\n| 18 | of Golden Spring (New York) Limited; correct? | 11:35:46 |\n| 19 | A.
I was requested by Mr. Qiang Guo to help | 11:35:52 |\n| 20 | back in 2018; that is correct. | 11:35:57 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
Well, I want to make sure you | 11:36:01 |\n| 22 | understand my question because since Mr. Rosen | 11:36:04 |\n| 23 | helpfully raised capacity, I want to make sure we get | 11:36:07 |\n| 24 | this correct. | 11:36:11 |\n| 25 | Okay? | 11:36:12 |\n| | | Page 90 |\n\n1 So bearing in mind that we are talking about 11:36:13\n\n2 what being an administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's 11:36:18\n\n3 interests means -- that is what we're talking 11:36:23\n\n| of 280 | |\n|--------|--|\n|--------|--|\n\n| 4 | about -- I'm going to direct you back to Exhibit 1 -- | 11:36:26 |\n|---|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 5 | correction.
Exhibit 4 -- sorry. | 11:36:31 |\n| 6 | A.
So Exhibit 4, sir; right?
Which one are we | 11:36:36 |\n| 7 | talking about?
Four? | 11:36:41 |\n| 8 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 11:36:42 |\n| 9 | The number four. | 11:36:46 |\n| | | |\n\n10 A. I'm here. 11:36:48 11 Q. And this affidavit, which you have already 11:36:49 told us you signed and swore to as being true and 11:36:53 correct, states that you're serving as an 11:36:57 administrator for the interests of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 11:37:02 and his family was in your capacity as president of 11:37:07 Golden Spring (New York) Limited; isn't that correct? 11:37:14 17 A. I was hired by Golden Spring (New York), and 11:37:23 I take instruction from the owner of Golden Spring 11:37:28 (New York). And I was available to support his 11:37:32 family, including his father. That is what the 11:37:36 capacity, to me, means in here. 11:37:40 22 Q. And -- and what you just described, 11:37:43 according to you, was in your capacity as president 11:37:45 of Golden Spring (New York) Limited; isn't that 11:37:50 right? 11:37:54\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
I don't understand, sir.
I mean, capacity, | 11:37:54 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | I am available.
I am here.
I offer my support as | 11:38:02 |\n| 3 | Mr. Qiang Guo requested me to do.
That is my | 11:38:05 |\n| 4 | understanding about capacity.
If that is the | 11:38:08 |\n| 5 | capacity you are talking, that is the same, yes. | 11:38:10 |\n| 6 | Q.
Well, I hear you. | 11:38:13 |\n| 7 | All I'm trying to confirm is that that was | 11:38:15 |\n| 8 | what you were supposed to do, according to you, as | 11:38:19 |\n| 9 | president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was | 11:38:23 |\n| 10 | translate for Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and cater to his | 11:38:30 |\n| 11 | personal needs; is that right?
Is that what you are | 11:38:34 |\n| 12 | saying? | 11:38:38 |\n| 13 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 11:38:39 |\n| 14 | You -- you can answer. | 11:38:40 |\n| 15 | THE WITNESS:
Let me repeat again. | 11:38:44 |\n| 16 | My capacity as president of Golden Spring | 11:38:46 |\n| 17 | (New York) is to work as per the owner of company | 11:38:49 |\n| 18 | requesting needs to me, including assist his father, | 11:38:55 |\n| 19 | translate for his father, and that including here I'm | 11:38:58 |\n| 20 | being deposed today; right? | 11:39:02 |\n| 21 | And sign the affidavit.
Including a lot of | 11:39:05 |\n| 22 | things, I mean, if I may say, not only as you just | 11:39:08 |\n| 23 | tried to describe me as assistant or translator, if | 11:39:12 |\n| 24 | that is helpful to you, sir. | 11:39:17 |\n| 25 | /// | |\n| | | |\n\nof 280\n\n| 1
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Well, translator and assistant, again, | 11:39:18 |\n| 3 | Ms. Wang, those were your words, not mine.
I just | 11:39:22 |\n| 4 | read them to you from a transcript.
And so all I'm | 11:39:25 |\n| 5 | doing is trying to explore what your job as president | 11:39:28 |\n| 6 | of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was.
And you | 11:39:31 |\n| 7 | have -- you have explained part of that to us, | 11:39:34 |\n| 8 | I think.
And I'm just trying to understand what | 11:39:38 |\n| 9 | assistant means. | 11:39:45 |\n| 10 | Besides being a translator, can you tell me | 11:39:53 |\n| 11 | any more about that? | 11:39:57 |\n| 12 | A.
About what, sir? | 11:39:58 |\n| 13 | Q.
About what you meant when you said you were | 11:39:59 |\n| 14 | Kwok Ho Wan's assistant. | 11:40:04 |\n| 15 | A.
That is what I -- that is -- that was not, | 11:40:09 |\n| 16 | I mean, in my language.
I mean, still I don't -- | 11:40:13 |\n| 17 | I don't have this as my native language when I named | 11:40:19 |\n| 18 | that, which means I offered that support and service. | 11:40:23 |\n| 19 | I don't have a title called translator or assistant. | 11:40:26 |\n| 20 | Obviously -- | 11:40:31 |\n| 21 | Q.
Which -- | 11:40:31 |\n| 22 | A.
-- I don't have it, yeah; so I offered that | 11:40:32 |\n| 23 | support. | 11:40:33 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay. | 11:40:33 |\n| 25 | A.
This is what I'm meaning, if that is | 11:40:34 |\n| | | Page 93 |\n\n1 helpful. 11:40:37 2 Q. Got it. 11:40:37 3 Tell me what -- now, what you just meant 11:40:38 4 right now when you said support. 11:40:40 5 Besides translation, what else? 11:40:42 6 A. For example, I am being deposed right now in 11:40:44 7 this bankruptcy. 11:40:51 8 Q. Okay. 11:40:53 9 A. This is as per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction; 11:40:53 10 right? 11:40:57 11 And so.... 11:40:57 12 Q. Is your testimony -- I don't think this is 11:40:58 13 what you are saying, but I'll ask it anyway because 11:41:00 14 it is a fair inference from your words. 11:41:03 15 Is your testimony today in support of 11:41:06 16 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:41:08 17 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 11:41:11 18 You can answer that. 11:41:14 19 THE WITNESS: I am testimony -- I am testify 11:41:15 20 today for a bankruptcy like a -- I believe the topic 11:41:19 21 is about DIP loan; right? 11:41:24 22 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:41:27 23 Q. And I would love to get there, but we -- 11:41:27 24 we're -- well, let me just ask one more time. 11:41:29 25 I understand that you are not -- you are 11:41:32 Page 94\n\n1 saying that assistant was not your title. 11:41:36\n\n2 I understand that. I understand that your title was 11:41:39\n\n| 3 | all those titles I recited several times now at | 11:41:42 |\n|---|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 4 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited.
And I also | 11:41:46 |\n| 5 | understand that according to you, in your capacity as | 11:41:50 |\n| 6 | president, you served as an administrator of the | 11:41:54 |\n| 7 | interests of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and the family. | 11:41:58 |\n| 8 | You were asked at a deposition about what | 11:42:04 |\n| | | |\n\n serving as an administrator meant, and you said 11:42:07 translator and assistant. Now, we all know what 11:42:12 a translator is, and that is clear. It is clear that 11:42:18 you performed that service for Mr. Kwok. 11:42:21\n\n13 All I'm trying to understand, Ms. Wang, is 11:42:24 14 what else you did for him, and so far the only thing 11:42:27 15 you have said is testify at this deposition. 11:42:31 16 Is there anything else? 11:42:33 17 A. Yes. 11:42:37 18 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 11:42:38 19 You can answer. 11:42:40 20 THE WITNESS: Yes. 11:42:42 21 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:42:43 22 Q. Okay. What else? 11:42:44 23 A. For example, Mr. Qiang Guo, obviously, he 11:42:47 24 instructed Golden Spring to pay his father's, like, 11:42:54 25 food, clothes, and, like, including this -- they call 11:43:01\n\n\n\n| 1 | the lifestyle -- I mean, take care of his father. | 11:43:10 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
When did he give you that instruction? | 11:43:13 |\n| 3 | A.
Oh, I don't recall.
I should -- from long | 11:43:16 |\n| 4 | time ago.
I mean, son take care of the father. | 11:43:22 |\n| 5 | I mean, that is kind of natural to me, so | 11:43:25 |\n| 6 | Q.
Well, I'm not going to quarrel with -- with | 11:43:28 |\n| 7 | whether it is natural or not. | 11:43:32 |\n| 8 | My only question is you just said that -- | 11:43:34 |\n| 9 | that Mr. Qiang Guo gave you the instruction that you | 11:43:39 |\n| 10 | just recited. | 11:43:43 |\n| 11 | And my question is when?
You said a long | 11:43:45 |\n| 12 | time ago?
How long ago? | 11:43:48 |\n| 13 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:43:51 |\n| 14 | Q.
More than a month ago? | 11:43:52 |\n| 15 | A.
It should be longer than more than a month. | 11:43:57 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Had he given you that instruction by | 11:44:00 |\n| 17 | the time of your deposition in October of 2018? | 11:44:03 |\n| 18 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:44:08 |\n| 19 | Q.
Had he given you that instruction by the | 11:44:08 |\n| 20 | time of your trial testimony in May of 2019? | 11:44:12 |\n| 21 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:44:17 |\n| 22 | Q.
Isn't it possible? | 11:44:18 |\n| 23 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:44:23 |\n| 24 | Q.
Well, did he give you that instruction | 11:44:24 |\n| 25 | sometime in 2020? | 11:44:33 |\n| | | Page 96 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
I really don't recall. | 11:44:35 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
How long has Golden Spring (New York) been | 11:44:40 |\n| 3 | paying for Mr. Kwok's lifestyle, as you just said? | 11:44:57 |\n| 4 | A.
How long?
I believe since I was appointed. | 11:45:03 |\n| 5 | I mean, I don't recall clearly.
I don't recall.
But | 11:45:13 |\n| 6 | a long time. | 11:45:17 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
Well, you said two things there.
You | 11:45:19 |\n| 8 | said you believe since you were appointed and you | 11:45:22 |\n| 9 | have said you don't recall; so I have -- I'm going to | 11:45:25 |\n| 10 | have to ask you to tell me which it is. | 11:45:29 |\n| 11 | A.
I don't recall.
And I shouldn't speculate | 11:45:33 |\n| 12 | or guess because when I was appointed, as | 11:45:37 |\n| 13 | I testified, like, a couple of minutes ago, which was | 11:45:42 |\n| 14 | true, Mr. Qiang Guo was operating and running his | 11:45:46 |\n| 15 | business; so that is the reason I correct my answer | 11:45:50 |\n| 16 | to be I don't recall because I was not paying that by | 11:45:53 |\n| 17 | myself.
I don't recall the answers. | 11:45:59 |\n| 18 | Q.
Understood. | 11:46:00 |\n| 19 | What role did you have -- as president, | 11:46:01 |\n| 20 | secretary, treasurer, and director of Golden Spring, | 11:46:13 |\n| 21 | what role did you have in making sure that | 11:46:18 |\n| 22 | Mr. Kwok's -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's lifestyle needs were | 11:46:24 |\n| 23 | paid for? | 11:46:29 |\n| 24 | A.
Sorry, sir. | 11:46:31 |\n| 25 | Can you please repeat your question? | 11:46:33 |\n| | | Page 97 |\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 11:46:35 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | As president, secretary, treasurer, and | 11:46:36 |\n| 3 | director of Golden Spring (New York) Limited, what | 11:46:42 |\n| 4 | role did you have in ensuring that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's | 11:46:47 |\n| 5 | lifestyle needs were paid for? | 11:46:53 |\n| 6 | A.
What role I ensured with?
I mean, sorry. | 11:46:55 |\n| 7 | That's -- that's the question you were | 11:47:05 |\n| 8 | asking for; right? | 11:47:06 |\n| 9 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 11:47:08 |\n| 10 | And I'll try one more time in English, and | 11:47:08 |\n| 11 | then we might need to use Ms. Johnston. | 11:47:11 |\n| 12 | A.
Yes, please. | 11:47:15 |\n| 13 | I feel the same. | 11:47:16 |\n| 14 | Q.
It's okay.
I'll try it one more time. | 11:47:17 |\n| 15 | You have stated that Mr. Qiang Guo gave you | 11:47:21 |\n| 16 | instruction to take care of his father, I mean, more | 11:47:25 |\n| 17 | or less.
You don't remember exactly when he gave you | 11:47:35 |\n| 18 | that instruction, but it was a long time ago. | 11:47:37 |\n| 19 | Have I got that right so far? | 11:47:41 |\n| 20 | A.
Yes. | 11:47:43 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
And I'm asking now, in your role as | 11:47:47 |\n| 22 | president, and all those other titles, of | 11:48:00 |\n| 23 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited, what did you do to | 11:48:03 |\n| 24 | ensure that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his lifestyle needs | 11:48:13 |\n| 25 | were taken care of?
Do you understand the question? | 11:48:20 |\n| | | Page 98 |\n\n1 A. I believe so. 11:48:27\n\n2 Q. Okay. So what is the answer? 11:48:29\n\nof 280\n\n| 3 | A.
For example, like, I communicate with | 11:48:34 |\n|---|----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 4 | Mr. Qiang Guo about the fund, including this depo. | 11:48:42 |\n| 5 | He take care of the request and then make sure the | 11:48:52 |\n| 6 | funds in there to take care of his father. | 11:49:01 |\n| 7 | Q.
We're going to -- we're going to talk about | 11:49:04 |\n| | | |\n\n8 the fund in just a moment. But you mentioned 11:49:10 9 lifestyle needs earlier, things like clothing, food, 11:49:14 10 transportation -- basics. 11:49:22 11 As president of Golden Spring (New York) 11:49:29 12 Limited, were you involved in paying for or providing 11:49:31 13 those things for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:49:39 14 A. Yes. 11:49:45 15 Q. Please tell me what you did. 11:49:46 16 A. Like, I will review the bills and verify -- 11:49:52 17 if there is any need to verify -- and process the 11:50:03 18 payment in clothing. 11:50:07 19 Q. What types of bills? 11:50:08 20 A. Like, clothes. Like, food -- grocery food. 11:50:11 21 Q. And -- and are these credit card bills or 11:50:19 22 are they receipts directly from the vendor or what? 11:50:21 23 A. I believe they are both. 11:50:26 24 Q. Okay. 11:50:28 25 A. It is a mixed. 11:50:29\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Who do you receive those from? | 11:50:31 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Which bill you were talking about, sir? | 11:50:33 |\n| 3 | Q.
Any of the above. | 11:50:38 |\n| 4 | A.
I mean, some of them, they go through from | 11:50:41 |\n| 5 | the card.
Some of them we received it from the -- | 11:50:45 |\n| 6 | the vendor. | 11:50:48 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
How many of those bills do you | 11:50:50 |\n| 8 | receive from Mr. Ho Wan Kwok directly? | 11:50:56 |\n| 9 | A.
Directly?
I don't recall. | 11:50:59 |\n| 10 | Q.
How do you know whether -- any of the | 11:51:06 |\n| 11 | expenses that you review to take care of | 11:51:10 |\n| 12 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's lifestyle, how do you know or | 11:51:14 |\n| 13 | verify, as you said, whether any of them are actually | 11:51:19 |\n| 14 | his? | 11:51:23 |\n| 15 | A.
I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo, he requested | 11:51:25 |\n| 16 | Golden Spring to take care of both his parents; so | 11:51:32 |\n| 17 | I mean, only, like, is -- is clarified, like this is | 11:51:38 |\n| 18 | his father's clothes and then we obviously will | 11:51:45 |\n| 19 | verify from that.
Like -- | 11:51:48 |\n| 20 | Q.
And -- | 11:51:51 |\n| 21 | A.
-- grocery bill, I think it is more, like, | 11:51:52 |\n| 22 | mixed for the mom and that. | 11:51:55 |\n| 23 | Q.
Okay.
And, number one, how do you know that | 11:51:57 |\n| 24 | it is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's clothing that is being | 11:52:01 |\n| 25 | purchased?
How do you verify that? | 11:52:05 |\n| | | Page 100 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
I verifying with the vendor directly. | 11:52:07 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
And -- huh. | 11:52:13 |\n| 3 | So you -- you ask a vendor whether the | 11:52:19 |\n| 4 | clothing was purchased by Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 11:52:22 |\n| 5 | A.
Yeah.
Because the man's clothes, the | 11:52:27 |\n| 6 | women's clothes are pretty obvious; right? | 11:52:32 |\n| 7 | But I do need to verify, yes. | 11:52:35 |\n| 8 | Q.
Yeah.
I get the difference between men's | 11:52:38 |\n| 9 | and women's clothes. | 11:52:42 |\n| 10 | So is it the case that any -- any -- any | 11:52:44 |\n| 11 | charge that is obviously for men's clothing you | 11:52:49 |\n| 12 | assume is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, and any charge that is for | 11:52:53 |\n| 13 | women's clothing you assume is for his wife? | 11:52:59 |\n| 14 | A.
I don't assume.
I mean, I have to verify | 11:53:04 |\n| 15 | because I need to report back the funds; right?
-- | 11:53:07 |\n| 16 | the financials to the owner of the company clearly -- | 11:53:15 |\n| 17 | Q.
Absolutely. | 11:53:18 |\n| 18 | A.
-- so I verify. | 11:53:19 |\n| 19 | Q.
Absolutely. | 11:53:20 |\n| 20 | A.
So I verify. | 11:53:21 |\n| 21 | Q.
Let's -- do you -- do you review any credit | 11:53:22 |\n| 22 | card bills as part of that process? | 11:53:25 |\n| 23 | A.
Sometimes. | 11:53:29 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
And when you re- -- when you review | 11:53:30 |\n| 25 | a credit card bill, let's just pretend there is | 11:53:35 |\n| | | Page 101 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | | a charge on there for -- yeah, I don't know -- a stay | 11:53:39 |\n|----|-------------|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | in a hotel. | Let's just take that as an example. | 11:53:45 |\n| 3 | | How do you verify who made the charge? | 11:53:48 |\n| 4 | A. | Like, a hotel, you mean; right?
For an | 11:53:54 |\n| 5 | example. | | 11:54:02 |\n| 6 | Q. | I'm taking that as an example. | 11:54:02 |\n| 7 | A. | If hotel, we obviously, Golden Spring, will | 11:54:05 |\n| 8 | | call the hotel to verify. | 11:54:09 |\n| 9 | Q. | To verify that the charge was made? | 11:54:10 |\n| 10 | A. | Yes. | 11:54:14 |\n| 11 | | That is part of internal, I mean, audit. | 11:54:14 |\n| 12 | | It -- it is normal. | 11:54:18 |\n| 13 | Q. | Okay.
So how about figuring out who used | 11:54:19 |\n| 14 | | the credit card?
How would you do that? | 11:54:23 |\n| 15 | A. | You -- I don't follow your question, sir. | 11:54:26 |\n| 16 | | Who used credit cards?
You mean | 11:54:34 |\n| 17 | | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, how he used credit card; right? | 11:54:36 |\n| 18 | Q. | Sure. | 11:54:40 |\n| 19 | | That -- that is -- that is a possibility, | 11:54:41 |\n| 20 | | but I don't know.
I'm asking you. | 11:54:43 |\n| 21 | A. | No. | 11:54:45 |\n| 22 | | He doesn't use Golden Spring's credit cards. | 11:54:45 |\n| 23 | Q. | Does Golden Spring have credit cards? | 11:54:48 |\n| 24 | A. | We have debit card. | 11:54:51 |\n| 25 | Q. | Okay.
Does Golden Spring have any credit | 11:54:53 |\n| | | | Page 102 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | cards? | 11:54:58 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
As of now, no. | 11:55:00 |\n| 3 | Q.
Okay.
Does Mr. Kwok have access to the | 11:55:03 |\n| 4 | Golden Spring debit card? | 11:55:12 |\n| 5 | A.
No. | 11:55:15 |\n| 6 | Q.
What about his wife?
Does he [sic] have | 11:55:15 |\n| 7 | access to the Golden Spring debit card? | 11:55:18 |\n| 8 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:55:21 |\n| 9 | Q.
You are the treasurer of Golden Spring | 11:55:25 |\n| 10 | (New York) Limited; right? | 11:55:33 |\n| 11 | A.
Yes. | 11:55:36 |\n| 12 | Q.
You -- you really don't know whether | 11:55:38 |\n| 13 | Ho Wan Kwok's wife has access to the company debit | 11:55:43 |\n| 14 | card? | 11:55:48 |\n| 15 | A.
She had one before, but I'm not sure whether | 11:55:49 |\n| 16 | that one is still activated. | 11:55:53 |\n| 17 | Q.
When did she have one? | 11:55:56 |\n| 18 | A.
Long time ago. | 11:55:58 |\n| 19 | Q.
Can you do better than that? | 11:56:00 |\n| 20 | A.
What do you mean, can I do better than that, | 11:56:05 |\n| 21 | sir? | 11:56:10 |\n| 22 | Q.
You know what I mean. | 11:56:10 |\n| 23 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 11:56:12 |\n| 24 | Can you please ask the witness directly what | 11:56:15 |\n| 25 | your question is? | 11:56:17 |\n| | | Page 103 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. HARBACH:
Sure.
Sure. | 11:56:19 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | I'm sorry to be cute. | 11:56:21 |\n| 3 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 11:56:22 |\n| 4 | Q.
Ms. Wang, can you give us a more precise | 11:56:23 |\n| 5 | date range during which Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife had | 11:56:28 |\n| 6 | access to the Golden Spring (New York) debit card? | 11:56:32 |\n| 7 | A.
I don't recall, sir. | 11:56:38 |\n| 8 | Q.
Do you recall the last time that she -- | 11:56:42 |\n| 9 | meaning Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife -- used the | 11:56:46 |\n| 10 | Golden Spring (New York) debit card? | 11:56:49 |\n| 11 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:56:53 |\n| 12 | Q.
Did you, as president and treasurer of | 11:56:54 |\n| 13 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited, authorize | 11:56:59 |\n| 14 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife to use the Golden Spring | 11:57:04 |\n| 15 | (New York) debit card? | 11:57:09 |\n| 16 | A.
Authorized?
I believe yes.
And | 11:57:12 |\n| 17 | Mr. Qiang Guo requested Golden Spring to do that. | 11:57:17 |\n| 18 | Q.
But you don't recall when that was? | 11:57:20 |\n| 19 | A.
Correct. | 11:57:25 |\n| 20 | Q.
Okay.
And I believe you testified a moment | 11:57:27 |\n| 21 | ago that to your knowledge Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has never | 11:57:34 |\n| 22 | used the Golden Spring (New York) debit card; is that | 11:57:38 |\n| 23 | correct? | 11:57:43 |\n| 24 | A.
He never has Golden Spring (New York) debit | 11:57:46 |\n| 25 | card at all. | 11:57:51 |\n| | | Page 104 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Has he ever used the debit card number to | 11:57:55 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | purchase anything, to your knowledge? | 11:57:58 |\n| 3 | A.
I don't know. | 11:58:01 |\n| 4 | Q.
Has he ever asked you -- \"he\" meaning | 11:58:03 |\n| 5 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. | 11:58:08 |\n| 6 | Has he ever asked you to purchase anything | 11:58:09 |\n| 7 | for him in your capacity as president of | 11:58:12 |\n| 8 | Golden Spring? | 11:58:15 |\n| 9 | A.
I believe so. | 11:58:19 |\n| 10 | Q.
Okay.
Can you give us an example of | 11:58:21 |\n| 11 | anything he has asked you to purchase for him? | 11:58:25 |\n| 12 | A.
I mean, I don't recall the details, but it | 11:58:29 |\n| 13 | happened. | 11:58:33 |\n| 14 | Q.
You don't remember a single thing that | 11:58:34 |\n| 15 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has asked you to purchase for him? | 11:58:37 |\n| 16 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:58:43 |\n| 17 | Q.
How many times has it happened that he has | 11:58:44 |\n| 18 | asked you to purchase something for him? | 11:58:49 |\n| 19 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:58:54 |\n| 20 | Q.
More than once? | 11:58:54 |\n| 21 | A.
Correct. | 11:58:57 |\n| 22 | Q.
More than a hundred times? | 11:58:59 |\n| 23 | A.
I don't recall. | 11:59:02 |\n| 24 | Q.
On the occasions when Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has | 11:59:03 |\n| 25 | asked you to purchase something for him, what do you | 11:59:15 |\n| | | Page 105 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | do? | 11:59:18 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
As per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, I help | 11:59:20 |\n| 3 | him, yes.
I go to buy for him. | 11:59:28 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
Have -- has -- have you ever -- | 11:59:32 |\n| 5 | has -- have you ever refused a request from | 11:59:37 |\n| 6 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok that you purchase something for him? | 11:59:41 |\n| 7 | A.
Yes. | 11:59:45 |\n| 8 | Q.
When was that? | 11:59:46 |\n| 9 | A.
I don't recall.
But I obviously need to | 11:59:48 |\n| 10 | report it to Mr. Qiang Guo, and if he reject it, | 11:59:56 |\n| 11 | I will reject. | 12:00:01 |\n| 12 | Q.
Okay.
Is your -- so I want to make sure | 12:00:03 |\n| 13 | I understand the process. | 12:00:06 |\n| 14 | Is it your testimony that every time | 12:00:07 |\n| 15 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok asks you to buy something for him | 12:00:10 |\n| 16 | that you consult his son to get permission?
Is that | 12:00:14 |\n| 17 | correct or not? | 12:00:23 |\n| 18 | A.
Not every time.
Like, as you said, for | 12:00:23 |\n| 19 | example, buy coffee; right? | 12:00:27 |\n| 20 | Obviously I don't need to consult with | 12:00:28 |\n| 21 | Mr. Qiang Guo. | 12:00:30 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
How do you decide when to consult | 12:00:32 |\n| 23 | with Mr. Kwok Ho Wan's son about a purchase that | 12:00:35 |\n| 24 | Mr. Kwok Ho Wan wants you to make? | 12:00:43 |\n| 25 | A.
I don't recall.
But that happened. | 12:00:46 |\n| | | Page 106 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Do you have any -- any thoughts about that? | 12:00:49 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Like, a legal fee? | 12:00:53 |\n| 3 | Q.
No. | 12:00:57 |\n| 4 | I'm -- I'm just asking you in general.
I'm | 12:00:58 |\n| 5 | not asking you about legal fees yet, although | 12:01:00 |\n| 6 | hopefully we will get there. | 12:01:05 |\n| 7 | I'm asking you about in general if | 12:01:06 |\n| 8 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok says, hey, Yvette, I would like you | 12:01:08 |\n| 9 | to buy me X, how do you know whether just to buy X or | 12:01:14 |\n| 10 | whether to get his son's permission?
How do you | 12:01:21 |\n| 11 | decide? | 12:01:30 |\n| 12 | A.
Well, yearly, like, his food and his coffee | 12:01:30 |\n| 13 | and then his transportation, those lifestyle were | 12:01:34 |\n| 14 | already approved by Mr. Qiang Guo; so you already -- | 12:01:40 |\n| 15 | Golden Spring just to go ahead to buy or purchase and | 12:01:44 |\n| 16 | then report back to Mr. Qiang Guo; so anything | 12:01:49 |\n| 17 | except -- besides -- except which words?
Except | 12:01:53 |\n| 18 | that, we obviously, Golden Spring, need to escalate | 12:01:57 |\n| 19 | to Mr. Qiang Guo to get approval. | 12:02:02 |\n| 20 | Q.
Understood. | 12:02:04 |\n| 21 | And so if I -- if I have you correctly, | 12:02:05 |\n| 22 | things like food, clothing, transportation -- those | 12:02:08 |\n| 23 | things do not require specific approval of | 12:02:15 |\n| 24 | Mr. Qiang Guo and, in your mind, you can just buy | 12:02:19 |\n| 25 | them for Mr. Kwok without getting his permission. | 12:02:26 |\n| | | Page 107 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | | Have I got that right? | 12:02:29 |\n|----|------------|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A. | Yeah.
That is the instruction was given to | 12:02:31 |\n| 3 | | Golden Spring; so -- | 12:02:34 |\n| 4 | Q. | And is this -- | 12:02:35 |\n| 5 | A. | -- we just go buy. | 12:02:38 |\n| 6 | Q. | Is that true, no matter how expensive the | 12:02:40 |\n| 7 | item is? | | 12:02:42 |\n| 8 | A. | Sir, what -- what is your range about | 12:02:44 |\n| 9 | expensive? | I mean -- | 12:02:48 |\n| 10 | Q. | Well, let's take -- let's take | 12:02:50 |\n| 11 | | transportation as an example. | 12:02:53 |\n| 12 | | Are you aware that -- that Mr. Kwok | 12:02:54 |\n| 13 | | frequently travels in a Maybach limousine? | 12:02:57 |\n| 14 | A. | Am I aware?
What do you mean am I aware? | 12:03:05 |\n| 15 | Q. | Do you know -- do you know what a limousine | 12:03:09 |\n| 16 | is? | | 12:03:12 |\n| 17 | A. | Limo, yes.
I do know. | 12:03:13 |\n| 18 | Q. | Okay.
And do you know what a Maybach is? | 12:03:15 |\n| 19 | A. | Yes. | 12:03:18 |\n| 20 | Q. | Okay.
Is it a type of car; right? | 12:03:19 |\n| 21 | A. | Correct. | 12:03:22 |\n| 22 | Q. | Isn't it true that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok | 12:03:22 |\n| 23 | | frequently travels by Maybach? | 12:03:27 |\n| 24 | A. | Sir -- sir, I know Mileson want his father | 12:03:32 |\n| 25 | | to be safe and secured; so that is the thing I know. | 12:03:38 |\n| | | | Page 108 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | But I don't know, like, frequency.
I use that. | 12:03:43 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Obviously, I am not following his father every day. | 12:03:48 |\n| 3 | I cannot tell that. | 12:03:50 |\n| 4 | Q.
Does -- does Golden Spring -- I'll ask you | 12:03:51 |\n| 5 | to accept for purposes of this deposition today -- | 12:03:54 |\n| 6 | just take my word for it that within the last month | 12:03:59 |\n| 7 | Mr. Kwok has traveled at least once by Maybach. | 12:04:02 |\n| 8 | Okay? | 12:04:08 |\n| 9 | Let's just assume that. | 12:04:08 |\n| 10 | My question for you is is that Maybach | 12:04:11 |\n| 11 | transportation that Golden Spring (New York) has paid | 12:04:17 |\n| 12 | for? | 12:04:19 |\n| 13 | A.
Golden Spring (New York) pays -- pays the -- | 12:04:21 |\n| 14 | the gasolines and -- yeah.
The gasolines.
That | 12:04:24 |\n| 15 | is -- | 12:04:31 |\n| 16 | Q.
Does -- | 12:04:31 |\n| 17 | A.
-- what transportation we are paying. | 12:04:32 |\n| 18 | Q.
Does Golden Spring (New York) own any | 12:04:35 |\n| 19 | Maybach vehicles? | 12:04:36 |\n| 20 | A.
Oh, I -- I couldn't remember, like, if | 12:04:38 |\n| 21 | Maybach owned by Golden Spring or not.
I mean, | 12:04:47 |\n| 22 | Golden Spring owns a couple of cars.
They all | 12:04:50 |\n| 23 | ultimately owned by Mr. Qiang Guo. | 12:04:53 |\n| 24 | Q.
Yeah.
I get that. | 12:04:56 |\n| 25 | Tell me about the cars that Golden Spring | 12:04:57 |\n| | | Page 109 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | owns.
You just mentioned that there are a couple. | 12:04:59 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | What are they? | 12:05:06 |\n| 3 | A.
I'm not car person; so I have to find out. | 12:05:07 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
Are they nice cars? | 12:05:11 |\n| 5 | A.
I cannot tell. | 12:05:14 |\n| 6 | Q.
And you don't know whether one of the cars | 12:05:16 |\n| 7 | that Golden Spring (New York) owns is a Maybach; is | 12:05:20 |\n| 8 | that right? | 12:05:24 |\n| 9 | A.
I don't know because this is Mr. Mileson, | 12:05:26 |\n| 10 | like Mr. Qiang Guo, he purchased directly. | 12:05:31 |\n| 11 | Q.
Yeah. | 12:05:34 |\n| 12 | A.
So I'm not -- | 12:05:35 |\n| 13 | Q.
I -- I -- I understand. | 12:05:36 |\n| 14 | But I'm asking about Golden Spring | 12:05:37 |\n| 15 | (New York). | 12:05:40 |\n| 16 | Okay? | 12:05:40 |\n| 17 | I'm asking about Golden Spring (New York) | 12:05:41 |\n| 18 | Limited, of which you are the president, treasurer, | 12:05:44 |\n| 19 | secretary, and director.
I'm asking if you know | 12:05:48 |\n| 20 | whether Golden Spring (New York) Limited owns | 12:05:52 |\n| 21 | a Maybach automobile. | 12:05:55 |\n| 22 | Do you know? | 12:05:57 |\n| 23 | A.
I don't recall.
I have to find out. | 12:05:59 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
You have also told me that | 12:06:02 |\n| 25 | Golden Spring (New York) pays for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's | 12:06:07 |\n| | | Page 110 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | transportation; right? | 12:06:13 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Correct. | 12:06:15 |\n| 3 | Q.
And that would include transportation by | 12:06:16 |\n| 4 | car; correct? | 12:06:20 |\n| 5 | A.
Correct. | 12:06:22 |\n| 6 | Q.
That would include arranging for a leased | 12:06:24 |\n| 7 | vehicle if that is how he wanted to travel; correct? | 12:06:32 |\n| 8 | A.
We pay the gasoline. | 12:06:37 |\n| 9 | Q.
Yeah.
I heard that.
I'm just trying to | 12:06:42 |\n| 10 | figure out who owns the vehicle, Ms. Wang. | 12:06:45 |\n| 11 | Do you know whether Golden Spring (New York) | 12:06:49 |\n| 12 | Limited has rented or leased a Maybach in order to | 12:06:52 |\n| 13 | transport Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?
Do you know? | 12:06:57 |\n| 14 | A.
I don't know. | 12:07:02 |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH:
So Mr. -- Mr. Rosen, I'll take | 12:07:10 |\n| 16 | the witness up on her offer to get back to us on the | 12:07:15 |\n| 17 | types of cars that Golden Spring (New York) owns, | 12:07:19 |\n| 18 | and, in particular, whether they own any Maybach | 12:07:24 |\n| 19 | automobiles, if that is okay with you. | 12:07:28 |\n| 20 | MR. ROSEN:
We'll take it under advisement. | 12:07:31 |\n| 21 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 12:07:33 |\n| 22 | MR. ROSEN:
Your request is -- is noted. | 12:07:33 |\n| 23 | MR. HARBACH:
All right.
Thank you. | 12:07:38 |\n| 24 | THE WITNESS:
Sir, can we have a break? | 12:07:49 |\n| 25 | I mean, it is 12:00. | 12:07:51 |\n| | | |\n\n1 BY MR. HARBACH: 12:07:53\n\n| of 280 |\n|--------|\n|--------|\n\n| 2 | Q.
Sure. | 12:07:53 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 3 | A.
I do need a lunch break, yeah. | 12:07:53 |\n| 4 | Q.
If -- if you would like to take a break now, | 12:07:56 |\n| 5 | that is no problem at all. | 12:07:58 |\n| 6 | MR. HARBACH:
I don't know if Suzanne or | 12:08:02 |\n| 7 | Jeff who takes us off, but I will suggest reconvening | 12:08:03 |\n| 8 | at -- at 1:00 o'clock. | 12:08:08 |\n| 9 | Is that amenable to folks? | 12:08:10 |\n| 10 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes. | 12:08:13 |\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 12:08:15 |\n| 12 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are going off the | 12:08:16 |\n| | | |\n\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 12:08:15 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 12 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are going off the | 12:08:16 |\n| 13 | record. | 12:08:17 |\n| 14 | The time is 12:08. | 12:08:17 |\n| 15 | (Luncheon recess taken.) | 13:01:33 |\n| 16 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are back on the | 13:01:33 |\n| 17 | record. | 13:01:36 |\n| 18 | The time is 1:01. | 13:01:36 |\n| 19 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:01:40 |\n| 20 | Q.
Good afternoon, Ms. Wang -- Ms. Wang. | 13:01:46 |\n| 21 | One little loose end that has nothing to do | 13:01:48 |\n| 22 | with what I was asking you about before lunch. | 13:01:53 |\n| 23 | Okay?
Do you know someone called Yu Yong? | 13:01:56 |\n| 24 | That is Y-u Y-o-n-g. | 13:02:02 |\n| 25 | A.
Yes. | 13:02:09 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
Who is that person? | 13:02:10 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
I met her in New York before. | 13:02:13 |\n| 3 | Q.
Okay.
Do you know what she does for | 13:02:17 |\n| 4 | a living? | 13:02:25 |\n| 5 | A.
When I met with her, she was working | 13:02:26 |\n| 6 | together with the family also. | 13:02:29 |\n| 7 | Q.
The -- the Guo family? | 13:02:30 |\n| 8 | A.
Yes. | 13:02:34 |\n| 9 | Q.
With whom specifically? | 13:02:35 |\n| 10 | A.
With Mr. Qiang Guo. | 13:02:38 |\n| 11 | Q.
Anyone else? | 13:02:44 |\n| 12 | A.
I believe with -- with Mr. Qiang Guo's | 13:02:45 |\n| 13 | father together -- | 13:02:49 |\n| 14 | Q.
And -- | 13:02:51 |\n| 15 | A.
-- but I don't have the details. | 13:02:52 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
And approximately when was that that | 13:02:54 |\n| 17 | you met her? | 13:02:57 |\n| 18 | A.
2015. | 13:02:58 |\n| 19 | Q.
Okay.
Thank you. | 13:03:01 |\n| 20 | A new subject. | 13:03:04 |\n| 21 | Who set up Golden Spring (New York) Limited? | 13:03:07 |\n| 22 | A.
In my understanding, it was set up by | 13:03:13 |\n| 23 | Mr. Qiang Guo. | 13:03:19 |\n| 24 | Q.
Who -- when you say it is your | 13:03:20 |\n| 25 | understanding, do you know that or did somebody tell | 13:03:23 |\n| | | Page 113 |\n\n1 you that? 13:03:26\n\nof 280\n\n2 A. This is I learned afterwards. I believe 13:03:27 3 there will be -- there will be law firms supporting 13:03:31\n\n| 4 | by him, but he set up the company. | 13:03:34 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 5 | Q.
Why did he set up the company? | 13:03:37 |\n| 6 | A.
I got to know later on -- not, like, when he | 13:03:39 |\n| 7 | set up the company -- he was trying to do business | 13:03:46 |\n| 8 | outside of China, like, mainly in the U.S. here. | 13:03:50 |\n| 9 | Q.
What sort of business? | 13:03:54 |\n| 10 | A.
Like, business related to real estate, | 13:03:56 |\n| 11 | investment -- like a diversified business. | 13:04:02 |\n| 12 | Q.
Okay.
Who funded Golden Spring (New York) | 13:04:06 |\n| 13 | when it was created? | 13:04:11 |\n| 14 | A.
I learned afterwards Mr. Qiang Guo, he | 13:04:12 |\n| 15 | arranged the fund -- fund the Golden Spring. | 13:04:22 |\n| 16 | Q.
When you say he arranged it, do you mean | 13:04:26 |\n| 17 | that he, himself, provided the money? | 13:04:29 |\n| 18 | A.
Hmmm.
No. | 13:04:34 |\n| 19 | He arranged via his -- another company. | 13:04:35 |\n| 20 | I believe it is called Bravo Luck. | 13:04:40 |\n| 21 | Q.
I see. | 13:04:44 |\n| 22 | And so your understanding is that the money | 13:04:45 |\n| 23 | that funded Golden Spring (New York) Limited when it | 13:04:48 |\n| 24 | was created came from Bravo Luck? | 13:04:55 |\n| 25 | A.
That is what I learned. | 13:05:00 |\n| | | Page 114 |\n\n| | of 280 |\n|--|--------|\n|--|--------|\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
From whom? | 13:05:01 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
From Mr. Qiang Guo. | 13:05:03 |\n| 3 | Q.
Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok | 13:05:05 |\n| 4 | about Bravo Luck? | 13:05:10 |\n| 5 | A.
Hmmm.
I don't recall. | 13:05:13 |\n| 6 | Q.
Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok | 13:05:16 |\n| 7 | about the source of money that was used to fund | 13:05:20 |\n| 8 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited when it was created? | 13:05:24 |\n| 9 | A.
No. | 13:05:28 |\n| 10 | I don't recall I did that. | 13:05:30 |\n| 11 | Q.
Do you know how Bravo Luck got the money | 13:05:34 |\n| 12 | that you say funded Golden Spring (New York) Limited? | 13:05:41 |\n| 13 | A.
I don't know. | 13:05:44 |\n| 14 | Q.
What is -- what was Golden Spring | 13:05:47 |\n| 15 | (New York)'s business purpose when it was created? | 13:05:54 |\n| 16 | A.
Oh, Golden Spring was created as a family | 13:05:57 |\n| 17 | office owned by Mr. Qiang Guo; so Mr. Qiang Guo was | 13:06:04 |\n| 18 | planning, as I said, to develop and expand the | 13:06:09 |\n| 19 | business in the United States, including, like, as | 13:06:14 |\n| 20 | I said, investment, real estate, and the business | 13:06:21 |\n| 21 | he -- he was doing by then. | 13:06:25 |\n| 22 | Q.
Where does Mr. Qiang Guo live today?
What | 13:06:28 |\n| 23 | country? | 13:06:33 |\n| 24 | A.
He lives in UK. | 13:06:38 |\n| 25 | Q.
How long has he lived there? | 13:06:41 |\n| | | Page 115 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
What is the -- what | 13:06:44 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | is the relevance of this, David? | 13:06:46 |\n| 3 | MR. HARBACH:
I'm trying to explore the | 13:06:49 |\n| 4 | witness' most recent answer about the business | 13:06:52 |\n| 5 | purpose of Golden Spring.
She said that he -- that | 13:06:55 |\n| 6 | he, Qiang Guo, created it to do X, Y, and Z.
And I'm | 13:06:59 |\n| 7 | trying to inquire about how long he was actually in | 13:07:05 |\n| 8 | the country after Golden Spring was created.
That is | 13:07:09 |\n| 9 | why I'm asking. | 13:07:12 |\n| 10 | MR. ROSEN:
Just note for the record that we | 13:07:13 |\n| 11 | are all here in different locations at this | 13:07:14 |\n| 12 | deposition.
And in today's world where your -- where | 13:07:18 |\n| 13 | your seat is doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot. | 13:07:23 |\n| 14 | But with that said, I would instruct the | 13:07:26 |\n| 15 | witness to answer. | 13:07:29 |\n| 16 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:07:30 |\n| 17 | Q.
The -- the question was when -- or how long | 13:07:30 |\n| 18 | has Mr. Qiang Guo lived in the UK. | 13:07:36 |\n| 19 | A.
For years.
I mean -- | 13:07:40 |\n| 20 | Q.
Are you finished with your answer? | 13:07:51 |\n| 21 | You said for years, maybe? | 13:08:03 |\n| 22 | A.
My -- my answer was not four, f-o-u-r, as | 13:08:04 |\n| 23 | years.
This is my answer. | 13:08:04 |\n| 24 | Q.
All right. | 13:08:04 |\n| 25 | A.
I don't know how many, yeah. | 13:08:06 |\n| | | Page 116 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
You don't know how many years? | 13:08:06 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Correct. | 13:08:08 |\n| 3 | Q.
Could it be more than ten years? | 13:08:09 |\n| 4 | A.
I don't think so. | 13:08:11 |\n| 5 | Q.
How long, if -- if you know, how long after | 13:08:13 |\n| 6 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited was created did | 13:08:24 |\n| 7 | Mr. Guo -- Qiang Guo move to the UK? | 13:08:28 |\n| 8 | A.
I cannot recall. | 13:08:34 |\n| 9 | Q.
All right.
Do you know -- what can you tell | 13:08:40 |\n| 10 | us about what Golden Spring (New York) Limited has | 13:08:47 |\n| 11 | done to advance the business purposes you just | 13:08:50 |\n| 12 | described? | 13:08:55 |\n| 13 | A.
Mr. Qiang Guo was in the United States in | 13:08:55 |\n| 14 | 2015, and then he travels a lot also.
And, | 13:09:05 |\n| 15 | obviously, he set up the company, and then we develop | 13:09:12 |\n| 16 | business structure and plan from there; so that is | 13:09:16 |\n| 17 | still his direction, which we have been doing until | 13:09:22 |\n| 18 | his father started to do his whistle-blower moment. | 13:09:28 |\n| 19 | Q.
What was the business plan in the beginning? | 13:09:33 |\n| 20 | A.
Investment. | 13:09:37 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
In, I believe, you mentioned real | 13:09:41 |\n| 22 | estate. | 13:09:48 |\n| 23 | What else? | 13:09:48 |\n| 24 | A.
We started from real estate.
There was real | 13:09:49 |\n| 25 | estate, like, investment. | 13:09:53 |\n| | | Page 117 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
So any other business purpose, | 13:09:54 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | besides investing money? | 13:09:57 |\n| 3 | A.
And operate as a family office in New York | 13:10:00 |\n| 4 | here to support other family projects. | 13:10:09 |\n| 5 | Q.
Okay.
You have mentioned earlier the | 13:10:15 |\n| 6 | support of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. | 13:10:19 |\n| 7 | What other family projects has Golden Spring | 13:10:23 |\n| 8 | (New York) Limited supported? | 13:10:27 |\n| 9 | A.
Including their project -- real estate. | 13:10:29 |\n| 10 | Like, including, like, interviews and handouts.
The | 13:10:39 |\n| 11 | architecture, designer, like, real estate-related | 13:10:45 |\n| 12 | vendors, and then we, like, facilitate and coordinate | 13:10:50 |\n| 13 | by them. | 13:10:54 |\n| 14 | Q.
Is Golden Spring (New York) Limited a -- | 13:10:55 |\n| 15 | a for-profit enterprise? | 13:10:59 |\n| 16 | A.
It is. | 13:11:03 |\n| 17 | Q.
And what is its source of income? | 13:11:03 |\n| 18 | A.
Source of income?
I mean, we are | 13:11:08 |\n| 19 | a for-profit company, but we are not turning to, | 13:11:16 |\n| 20 | like, make revenue yet; so the source of income is | 13:11:23 |\n| 21 | supposed to be, like, a -- we build up the project | 13:11:26 |\n| 22 | under the family plan, and then we start to make | 13:11:31 |\n| 23 | profit from those projects -- investment projects. | 13:11:36 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
So the -- the company invests money | 13:11:40 |\n| 25 | and hopes to make money from investments. | 13:11:43 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Is that it? | 13:11:47 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
That's part of the source of income, yes. | 13:11:48 |\n| 3 | Planned. | 13:11:52 |\n| 4 | Q.
Does the -- does the company, Golden Spring | 13:11:52 |\n| 5 | (New York) Limited, have any clients?
Or is it just | 13:11:57 |\n| 6 | the family? | 13:12:01 |\n| 7 | A.
I mean, family office typically, to our | 13:12:02 |\n| 8 | understanding, is support and serve for the family | 13:12:08 |\n| 9 | business; so our clients are the family. | 13:12:13 |\n| 10 | Q.
Okay.
And that includes Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, | 13:12:15 |\n| 11 | does it not? | 13:12:20 |\n| 12 | A.
He is the person -- the owner of the company | 13:12:21 |\n| 13 | requesting Golden Spring to support; so Golden Spring | 13:12:28 |\n| 14 | does not, like, plan or, like, having profit from his | 13:12:31 |\n| 15 | father, which, like, we didn't think about that and | 13:12:39 |\n| 16 | how; right? | 13:12:43 |\n| 17 | Q.
Well, you just said a moment ago that | 13:12:45 |\n| 18 | Golden Spring (New York) limited's clients was the | 13:12:47 |\n| 19 | family.
And I ask you if that included | 13:12:58 |\n| 20 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. | 13:13:00 |\n| 21 | The reason I asked that question is because | 13:13:01 |\n| 22 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is a member of the family, is he not? | 13:13:04 |\n| 23 | A.
So this is my answer.
Golden Spring -- | 13:13:09 |\n| 24 | MR. ROSEN:
Hold off answering, please, just | 13:13:15 |\n| 25 | for a second. | 13:13:18 |\n| | | Page 119 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I'd object on the -- on the grounds that I'm | 13:13:18 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | not sure that your use of the word client is -- is | 13:13:23 |\n| 3 | being understood. | 13:13:25 |\n| 4 | Could you clarify that, please? | 13:13:25 |\n| 5 | MR. HARBACH:
Sure. | 13:13:29 |\n| 6 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:13:32 |\n| 7 | Q.
Ms. Wang, do you know what I mean by the | 13:13:33 |\n| 8 | word client? | 13:13:36 |\n| 9 | A.
Client means that you offer services to get | 13:13:39 |\n| 10 | paid. | 13:13:43 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
A moment ago you said that the client | 13:13:44 |\n| 12 | of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was the family. | 13:13:51 |\n| 13 | Did you mean that in the sense that you just | 13:13:55 |\n| 14 | described, or did you mean that in a different way? | 13:13:59 |\n| 15 | A.
I mean the client is the Guo family. | 13:14:02 |\n| 16 | I mean, they -- they are, as I testified before, | 13:14:06 |\n| 17 | like, a hundred family member.
They all could be our | 13:14:12 |\n| 18 | clients.
They are all business people. | 13:14:15 |\n| 19 | Q.
Okay. | 13:14:18 |\n| 20 | A.
So as a client of Golden Spring, which | 13:14:19 |\n| 21 | I mean. | 13:14:22 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
Do you mean that members of the | 13:14:23 |\n| 23 | family pay Golden Spring? | 13:14:25 |\n| 24 | A.
I mean if Golden Spring offered a service | 13:14:31 |\n| 25 | and then helped them to invest successfully, yes. | 13:14:34 |\n| | | Page 120 |\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | Golden Spring would be paid. | 13:14:39 |\n|---|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
So now my question is is | 13:14:40 |\n| 3 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok part of the family that is a client | 13:14:45 |\n| 4 | of Golden Spring (New York) Limited? | 13:14:50 |\n| 5 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection to form. | 13:14:54 |\n| 6 | It -- the -- is your question is he | 13:14:58 |\n| | | |\n\n7 individually a client? Because what you asked is is 13:15:01 8 he part of the family that is a client. 13:15:05 9 MR. HARBACH: Well, I'm sorry for -- for -- 13:15:08\n\n I'm really not meaning to be confusing. 13:15:11 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:15:14 12 Q. I understood, Ms. Wang, you to say a moment 13:15:14 ago that the family -- which is composed of numerous 13:15:17 people, you said. 13:15:22 15 That the family is a client of Golden Spring 13:15:22 (New York) Limited; is that correct? 13:15:26\n\n17 A. The family and their family member who are 13:15:29 18 the business people; correct? 13:15:36 19 They are the Golden Spring's clients. Of 13:15:37 20 course, I don't mean that like in the minor kids; 13:15:40 21 right? 13:15:44 22 So I made that very clear. 13:15:44 23 Q. Is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok a member of that family? 13:15:46\n\n24 A. He is one of the family member, yes. 13:15:50 25 Q. To your knowledge, has Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever 13:15:53\n\n\n\n| 1 | contributed or paid any money to Golden Spring | 13:16:06 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | (New York) Limited? | 13:16:11 |\n| 3 | A.
No. | 13:16:13 |\n| 4 | To my knowledge. | 13:16:16 |\n| 5 | Q.
To your knowledge, has any business | 13:16:17 |\n| 6 | organization that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok owns or controls | 13:16:26 |\n| 7 | ever contributed any money to Golden Spring | 13:16:32 |\n| 8 | (New York) Limited? | 13:16:36 |\n| 9 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 13:16:39 |\n| 10 | You can answer the question. | 13:16:40 |\n| 11 | THE WITNESS:
To my knowledge, no. | 13:16:42 |\n| 12 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:16:45 |\n| 13 | Q.
And you -- as the treasurer of Golden Spring | 13:16:49 |\n| 14 | (New York) Limited, would that be something you would | 13:16:53 |\n| 15 | expect to know if it had happened? | 13:16:56 |\n| 16 | A.
Since I was -- | 13:16:59 |\n| 17 | MR. ROSEN:
Object. | 13:17:03 |\n| 18 | You can answer. | 13:17:04 |\n| 19 | THE WITNESS:
Since I was appointed of | 13:17:07 |\n| 20 | treasurer of Golden Spring, I didn't see any money | 13:17:11 |\n| 21 | come from Mr. Ho Wan Kwok.
And Golden Spring doesn't | 13:17:13 |\n| 22 | look at him as a client; so he is a family member, | 13:17:17 |\n| 23 | but he is not our kind of like prospective client. | 13:17:21 |\n| 24 | He is the owner.
He is the father of the owner, | 13:17:25 |\n| 25 | like, it -- that's our understanding. | 13:17:31 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:17:32 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
He, in fact, is the owner, isn't he, | 13:17:33 |\n| 3 | Ms. Wang? | 13:17:36 |\n| 4 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 13:17:37 |\n| 5 | THE WITNESS:
He is not the owner at all. | 13:17:38 |\n| 6 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:17:42 |\n| 7 | Q.
Were you an employee or a director or | 13:17:46 |\n| 8 | officer of Golden Spring at the time that it was | 13:17:53 |\n| 9 | created? | 13:17:56 |\n| 10 | A.
You mean back to 2015, sir? | 13:18:00 |\n| 11 | Q.
Yes. | 13:18:04 |\n| 12 | A.
No. | 13:18:05 |\n| 13 | Q.
Returning to my question about Golden Spring | 13:18:06 |\n| 14 | (New York) Limited's source of income, is there | 13:18:16 |\n| 15 | anything else in that category, other than returns on | 13:18:22 |\n| 16 | investment? | 13:18:26 |\n| 17 | A.
What do you mean?
Like any other source of | 13:18:28 |\n| 18 | income besides what I reply to you before? | 13:18:38 |\n| 19 | Q.
Yes. | 13:18:41 |\n| 20 | A.
Okay.
So that would be our major source of | 13:18:42 |\n| 21 | income.
Like, a family office -- I mean, in my | 13:18:45 |\n| 22 | understanding you already do investment; so when you | 13:18:51 |\n| 23 | investment, you get revenue, and then we got paid, | 13:18:54 |\n| 24 | and so we got. | 13:18:57 |\n| 25 | Q.
I understand that. | 13:18:57 |\n| | | Page 123 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I'm asking you whether there was anything | 13:18:58 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | else. | 13:19:00 |\n| 3 | A.
As far as I know, like, that is all I know. | 13:19:03 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay. | 13:19:08 |\n| 5 | A.
That is the plan.
I mean, as a family | 13:19:09 |\n| 6 | office -- right? -- we are supposed to do investment | 13:19:12 |\n| 7 | and make revenue -- make revenue.
I mean, I am not | 13:19:15 |\n| 8 | a law firm.
I am not other, you know, service | 13:19:18 |\n| 9 | company.
And then any other source of income | 13:19:20 |\n| 10 | I should be expect. | 13:19:22 |\n| 11 | Q.
Does Golden Spring (New York) Limited have | 13:19:24 |\n| 12 | any bank accounts? | 13:19:28 |\n| 13 | A.
You are asking which time apparent, sir? | 13:19:30 |\n| 14 | Q.
I'm asking currently. | 13:19:41 |\n| 15 | A.
Yes. | 13:19:43 |\n| 16 | Q.
How many? | 13:19:43 |\n| 17 | A.
One. | 13:19:46 |\n| 18 | Q.
At which bank? | 13:19:52 |\n| 19 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
There are security | 13:19:55 |\n| 20 | issues involved here, and we're -- I understand that | 13:19:59 |\n| 21 | Golden Spring's bank accounts have been shut down as | 13:20:06 |\n| 22 | part of what has been described to me as a harassment | 13:20:09 |\n| 23 | scheme; so I would ask at this point not to | 13:20:13 |\n| 24 | disclose -- the witness not to disclose the location | 13:20:16 |\n| 25 | of the bank account. | 13:20:19 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
Scott, I'm not meaning | 13:20:20 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | to disregard your instruction.
I'm going to ask | 13:20:25 |\n| 3 | another question, and if you want to include this | 13:20:28 |\n| 4 | under your objection, please do.
But I'm going to | 13:20:31 |\n| 5 | ask this one. | 13:20:34 |\n| 6 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:20:35 |\n| 7 | Q.
Ms. Wang, is Golden Spring (New York)'s bank | 13:20:35 |\n| 8 | account with a U.S. bank? | 13:20:38 |\n| 9 | A.
Yes. | 13:20:42 |\n| 10 | Q.
What is the approximate current balance in | 13:20:43 |\n| 11 | that account? | 13:20:54 |\n| 12 | A.
I mean, for the safety, same reason.
I am | 13:20:57 |\n| 13 | very hesitant to tell you because PAX already, like, | 13:21:05 |\n| 14 | harassed all Golden Spring's bank account. | 13:21:09 |\n| 15 | So we are talking about DIP loan; right? | 13:21:14 |\n| 16 | Q.
Well, yeah. | 13:21:18 |\n| 17 | You know the reasons that the -- that the | 13:21:19 |\n| 18 | deposition has been noticed, and I'm not going to get | 13:21:21 |\n| 19 | into a debate with you about whether the question is | 13:21:26 |\n| 20 | proper. | 13:21:28 |\n| 21 | My question is what is the approximate | 13:21:30 |\n| 22 | balance in Golden Spring's one bank account in the | 13:21:33 |\n| 23 | United States? | 13:21:38 |\n| 24 | MR. ROSEN:
I'm going to object and would | 13:21:41 |\n| 25 | like, if it is acceptable to counsel, to take a short | 13:21:44 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | recess to discuss this with my client. | 13:21:50 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. HARBACH:
Of course.
No problem at all. | 13:21:52 |\n| 3 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are going off the | 13:21:55 |\n| 4 | record. | 13:21:56 |\n| 5 | The time is 1:21. | 13:21:56 |\n| 6 | (Short recess taken.) | 13:22:00 |\n| 7 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are back on the | 13:33:59 |\n| 8 | record. | 13:34:01 |\n| 9 | The time is 1:34. | 13:34:01 |\n| 10 | MR. HARBACH:
Scott, did you want to put | 13:34:06 |\n| 11 | anything on the record here or no? | 13:34:11 |\n| 12 | MR. ROSEN:
No. | 13:34:14 |\n| 13 | I did not need to put anything on the | 13:34:15 |\n| 14 | record. | 13:34:18 |\n| 15 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:34:18 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Ms. Wang, did you speak with anyone | 13:34:19 |\n| 17 | else during the break, besides your lawyer? | 13:34:21 |\n| 18 | A.
I only talked with Mr. Scott Rosen. | 13:34:23 |\n| 19 | Q.
Okay.
Thank you. | 13:34:25 |\n| 20 | The pending question before the break was | 13:34:26 |\n| 21 | what is the approximate balance in Golden Spring | 13:34:31 |\n| 22 | (New York) Limited's one U.S. bank account? | 13:34:37 |\n| 23 | MR. ROSEN:
I'm going to object and instruct | 13:34:45 |\n| 24 | the witness not to answer that specific question | 13:34:47 |\n| 25 | because of Golden Spring's concerns about maintaining | 13:34:50 |\n| | | Page 126 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | the integrity and usability of the bank account in | 13:34:54 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | light of credits' rights actions that have been taken | 13:34:58 |\n| 3 | by -- by PAX. | 13:35:03 |\n| 4 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:35:05 |\n| 5 | Q.
Leaving aside the identity of the bank, | 13:35:06 |\n| 6 | approximately how much value in liquid assets does | 13:35:11 |\n| 7 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited own? | 13:35:20 |\n| 8 | A.
Golden Spring as -- I mean, enough funds to | 13:35:23 |\n| 9 | support Golden Spring, the operation.
I mean, we | 13:35:33 |\n| 10 | don't have cash flow issue, so | 13:35:37 |\n| 11 | Q.
All right.
And your judgment about what | 13:35:40 |\n| 12 | might be a cash flow issue and our judgment about | 13:35:44 |\n| 13 | what might be a cash flow issue and Judge Manning's | 13:35:48 |\n| 14 | judgment about what might be a cash flow issue could | 13:35:54 |\n| 15 | be three very different things. | 13:35:57 |\n| 16 | And so that is why I'm asking approximately | 13:35:59 |\n| 17 | how much money in liquid assets does Golden Spring | 13:36:03 |\n| 18 | (New York) Limited own? | 13:36:09 |\n| 19 | A.
The balance is changing every day because | 13:36:12 |\n| 20 | things happen every day; so I don't want to | 13:36:19 |\n| 21 | speculate.
Obviously, I did not check the bank | 13:36:22 |\n| 22 | balance right now; so I cannot say. | 13:36:25 |\n| 23 | Q.
What -- what -- when -- when was the last | 13:36:27 |\n| 24 | time you checked the balance? | 13:36:29 |\n| 25 | A.
I don't recall.
It is the financial -- | 13:36:30 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | finance department, they are doing that. | 13:36:34 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Well, you are the treasurer; right? | 13:36:37 |\n| 3 | MR. ROSEN:
Excuse me.
I thought this was | 13:36:40 |\n| 4 | questions setting aside the bank account.
The | 13:36:42 |\n| 5 | question was what is -- what are the values of the | 13:36:45 |\n| 6 | liquid assets, setting aside the bank account. | 13:36:47 |\n| 7 | MR. HARBACH:
Yeah.
I meant -- and I can't | 13:36:50 |\n| 8 | believe I said -- if I didn't, I'm mistaken.
I meant | 13:36:53 |\n| 9 | the identity of the bank.
I'm not -- I'm not | 13:36:56 |\n| 10 | interested in getting the identification of the bank. | 13:36:59 |\n| 11 | I'm just trying to figure out how much money | 13:37:02 |\n| 12 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited has.
That's it. | 13:37:05 |\n| 13 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:37:02 |\n| 14 | Q.
How much money does the company have?
Do | 13:37:11 |\n| 15 | you know? | 13:37:13 |\n| 16 | A.
The money enough to support all of the daily | 13:37:14 |\n| 17 | operation. | 13:37:18 |\n| 18 | Q.
Are you -- are you unwilling to tell me how | 13:37:18 |\n| 19 | much money Golden Spring has or do you not know how | 13:37:23 |\n| 20 | much money Golden Spring has? | 13:37:27 |\n| 21 | MR. ROSEN:
Yeah.
I -- I have to object | 13:37:29 |\n| 22 | here.
There are concerns about the integrity and | 13:37:31 |\n| 23 | usability of Golden Spring's assets in light of | 13:37:36 |\n| 24 | creditor activity that has been conducted by PAX; so | 13:37:41 |\n| 25 | these are -- these are sensitive issues.
If -- if | 13:37:46 |\n| | | Page 128 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | you want to get to questions about where is the loan | 13:37:50 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | proceeds going to come from, then we can -- we can | 13:37:52 |\n| 3 | certainly go there.
But with respect to its current | 13:37:56 |\n| 4 | assets, at this point the credit just -- just | 13:38:00 |\n| 5 | outweighs any -- any -- any relevancy. | 13:38:06 |\n| 6 | MR. HARBACH:
I -- I think I understand your | 13:38:10 |\n| 7 | objection, and rather than engage it fully, I will | 13:38:13 |\n| 8 | just note that we strongly disagree.
But if you are | 13:38:16 |\n| 9 | instructing the witness not to answer, I'll try and | 13:38:20 |\n| 10 | move on. | 13:38:23 |\n| 11 | MR. ROSEN:
Thank you. | 13:38:24 |\n| 12 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:38:26 |\n| 13 | Q.
Approximately how much profit did | 13:38:32 |\n| 14 | Golden Spring (New York) make in the last year? | 13:38:35 |\n| 15 | A.
Because of the -- the entire, like, PAX -- | 13:38:41 |\n| 16 | right? -- this case, I mean, PAX obviously subpoenaed | 13:38:49 |\n| 17 | all Golden Spring's bank.
And then in my | 13:38:53 |\n| 18 | understanding, my console device, like, PAX didn't | 13:38:57 |\n| 19 | get anything; so -- because PAX specifically hurt our | 13:39:01 |\n| 20 | bank relationship in the last year, as you said, | 13:39:05 |\n| 21 | I mean, we didn't make profit last year. | 13:39:07 |\n| 22 | Q.
You did not make a profit last year? | 13:39:10 |\n| 23 | A.
Correct. | 13:39:14 |\n| 24 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 13:39:16 |\n| 25 | /// | |\n| | | Page 129 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:39:17 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Was there a -- was there a loss of -- of -- | 13:39:18 |\n| 3 | there was a loss of approximately how much last year? | 13:39:20 |\n| 4 | Do you understand the question? | 13:39:33 |\n| 5 | A.
Of course. | 13:39:34 |\n| 6 | Q.
So what is -- | 13:39:37 |\n| 7 | A.
But I don't know why it is related to this | 13:39:38 |\n| 8 | as well.
It is sensitive information, which I have | 13:39:42 |\n| 9 | to keep it. | 13:39:44 |\n| 10 | Q.
You are -- so you are -- you are -- you are | 13:39:45 |\n| 11 | unwilling to answer what the size of Golden Spring | 13:39:46 |\n| 12 | (New York) Limited's loss was last year; is that | 13:39:51 |\n| 13 | right? | 13:39:57 |\n| 14 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
This is not an asset | 13:39:57 |\n| 15 | disclosure deposition for Golden Spring.
And -- and | 13:40:01 |\n| 16 | in light of the pending litigation that is already | 13:40:03 |\n| 17 | out there, questions like this are overstepping what | 13:40:05 |\n| 18 | the scope of this deposition is supposed to be, | 13:40:09 |\n| 19 | which, again, this is a contested matter in | 13:40:11 |\n| 20 | a bankruptcy case for a DIP loan, which is being | 13:40:15 |\n| 21 | granted on a fully subordinated basis; so that's -- | 13:40:19 |\n| 22 | that is what we are here today on, not asset | 13:40:23 |\n| 23 | disclosure. | 13:40:27 |\n| 24 | MR. HARBACH:
Is that an instruction not to | 13:40:34 |\n| 25 | answer, Scott? | 13:40:36 |\n| | | Page 130 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes, it is. | 13:40:37 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:40:39 |\n| 3 | Q.
Who made the requests to Golden Spring | 13:40:39 |\n| 4 | (New York) for debtor-in-possession financing? | 13:40:42 |\n| 5 | A.
I -- can I ask a translator to help me | 13:40:47 |\n| 6 | understand this question? | 13:40:53 |\n| 7 | Q.
Of course. | 13:40:55 |\n| 8 | MR. HARBACH:
Ms. Johnston, I'll repeat it. | 13:40:56 |\n| 9 | Who made the request to Golden Spring | 13:41:00 |\n| 10 | (New York) Limited for debtor-in-possession | 13:41:02 |\n| 11 | financing? | 13:41:09 |\n| 12 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Interprets question.) | 13:41:42 |\n| 13 | THE CHECK INTERPRETER:
Can the check | 13:41:42 |\n| 14 | interpreter help with that term? | 13:41:45 |\n| 15 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sure. | 13:41:48 |\n| 16 | THE WITNESS:
From the interpreter | 13:41:55 |\n| 17 | understanding, it is debtor's loan; right?
Debtor's | 13:41:57 |\n| 18 | position.
Debtor's loan. | 13:42:01 |\n| 19 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:42:01 |\n| 20 | Q.
Well, Ms. -- Ms. Wang, on several occasions | 13:42:01 |\n| 21 | today you have pointed out to me that we are here to | 13:42:03 |\n| 22 | talk about a DIP loan. | 13:42:09 |\n| 23 | Do you know what a DIP loan is? | 13:42:10 |\n| 24 | A.
Yes. | 13:42:15 |\n| 25 | It is a loan between the debtor and lender. | 13:42:16 |\n| | | Page 131 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
Do you know what DIP stands for? | 13:42:19 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Yes. | 13:42:27 |\n| 3 | Q.
What does it stand for? | 13:42:29 |\n| 4 | A.
It is a DIP loan displaying between -- | 13:42:31 |\n| 5 | I mean, I'm not a lawyer; right? | 13:42:42 |\n| 6 | It is a loan between the lender and the | 13:42:43 |\n| 7 | debtor. | 13:42:48 |\n| 8 | Q.
Thirty seconds ago you said to me that you | 13:42:49 |\n| 9 | know what DIP stands for.
It is okay if you don't. | 13:42:53 |\n| 10 | I'm just asking for an honest answer. | 13:43:00 |\n| 11 | Do you know what DIP stands for?
It is an | 13:43:04 |\n| 12 | acronym. | 13:43:09 |\n| 13 | A.
It is a loan.
It is a loan.
That's my | 13:43:09 |\n| 14 | answer. | 13:43:13 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
It stands for debtor in possession. | 13:43:13 |\n| 16 | Okay? | 13:43:17 |\n| 17 | It is not a secret, but -- I'll keep going. | 13:43:19 |\n| 18 | Who made the request to Golden Spring | 13:43:26 |\n| 19 | (New York) for debtor-in-possession financing that is | 13:43:32 |\n| 20 | at issue here? | 13:43:37 |\n| 21 | A.
The owner of Golden Spring (New York). | 13:43:39 |\n| 22 | Q.
The owner of Golden Spring (New York) made | 13:43:44 |\n| 23 | a request to Golden Spring (New York) for DIP | 13:43:52 |\n| 24 | financing?
Is that your testimony? | 13:43:57 |\n| 25 | A.
I don't understand your question. | 13:44:00 |\n| | | Page 132 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Who asked for the loan? | 13:44:05 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
I was not involved in this loan negotiation. | 13:44:10 |\n| 3 | Q.
Do you know who made the request for the | 13:44:15 |\n| 4 | loan? | 13:44:20 |\n| 5 | A.
I was not involved in the negotiation of | 13:44:22 |\n| 6 | this loan.
I just got instruction and advice from | 13:44:28 |\n| 7 | the owner of Golden Spring. | 13:44:32 |\n| 8 | Q.
Okay.
Is the answer to this question -- is | 13:44:34 |\n| 9 | the answer to my question you don't know? | 13:44:39 |\n| 10 | A.
I was not involved. | 13:44:41 |\n| 11 | Q.
You know what?
Let's use the interpreter. | 13:44:42 |\n| 12 | MR. HARBACH:
Ms. Johnston, can you -- well, | 13:44:48 |\n| 13 | let's do it this way. | 13:44:53 |\n| 14 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:44:57 |\n| 15 | Q.
Do you know who made the request to | 13:44:57 |\n| 16 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited for the loan that is | 13:44:59 |\n| 17 | the subject of today's deposition? | 13:45:03 |\n| 18 | A.
I don't have personal knowledge. | 13:45:09 |\n| 19 | Q.
Has anyone told you who made the loan -- who | 13:45:11 |\n| 20 | made the request for the loan that is the subject of | 13:45:19 |\n| 21 | today's deposition? | 13:45:22 |\n| 22 | A.
Has anyone told me? | 13:45:24 |\n| 23 | Q.
Well, you said you didn't have personal | 13:45:31 |\n| 24 | knowledge. | 13:45:33 |\n| 25 | A.
Yes. | 13:45:35 |\n| | | Page 133 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
And I know what that -- and I know what that | 13:45:35 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | means. | 13:45:39 |\n| 3 | So I am asking you whether you have ever | 13:45:39 |\n| 4 | learned from anyone else who made the request for the | 13:45:42 |\n| 5 | loan that is the subject of today's deposition. | 13:45:45 |\n| 6 | A.
I heard this from Mr. Qiang Guo about his | 13:45:53 |\n| 7 | DIP loan. | 13:45:58 |\n| 8 | Q.
Who did he say requested the DIP loan? | 13:45:59 |\n| 9 | A.
He mentioned his father -- his father's | 13:46:05 |\n| 10 | attorney. | 13:46:16 |\n| 11 | Q.
Do you recall that attorney's name? | 13:46:17 |\n| 12 | A.
I don't recall.
He didn't tell me, and | 13:46:20 |\n| 13 | I don't recall. | 13:46:23 |\n| 14 | Q.
When was that request made, if you know? | 13:46:24 |\n| 15 | A.
In March. | 13:46:33 |\n| 16 | Q.
Of what year? | 13:46:41 |\n| 17 | A.
Of this year. | 13:46:43 |\n| 18 | Q.
Were you -- as president, secretary, | 13:46:45 |\n| 19 | treasurer, and director of Golden Spring (New York) | 13:46:53 |\n| 20 | Limited -- involved in the decision about whether to | 13:46:58 |\n| 21 | provide DIP financing to the debtor? | 13:47:03 |\n| 22 | A.
I was advised by Mr. Qiang Guo afterwards. | 13:47:06 |\n| 23 | That was a quite short time period.
And he handled; | 13:47:16 |\n| 24 | so the answer to you is I was not involved. | 13:47:24 |\n| 25 | Q.
Were you consulted by Mr. Guo -- | 13:47:27 |\n| | | Page 134 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Mr. Qiang Guo on the decision about whether | 13:47:32 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Golden Spring (New York) would agree to provide DIP | 13:47:36 |\n| 3 | financing to the debtor here? | 13:47:40 |\n| 4 | A.
What do you mean, consulted? | 13:47:42 |\n| 5 | Q.
Do you know what consulted means? | 13:47:45 |\n| 6 | A.
Of course I know. | 13:47:48 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
So were you consulted by | 13:47:49 |\n| 8 | Mr. Qiang Guo about the decision on whether | 13:47:53 |\n| 9 | Golden Spring (New York) would agree to provide DIP | 13:47:59 |\n| 10 | financing to the debtor? | 13:48:03 |\n| 11 | A.
You mean he -- when he was making the | 13:48:05 |\n| 12 | decision? | 13:48:08 |\n| 13 | Q.
Well, we're going to get to who made the | 13:48:09 |\n| 14 | decision.
I'm trying to figure out whether you were | 13:48:14 |\n| 15 | involved and, if so, how.
You told me a couple of | 13:48:18 |\n| 16 | minutes ago that you were not involved with the | 13:48:23 |\n| 17 | decision. | 13:48:25 |\n| 18 | I'm asking if Mr. Qiang Guo spoke to you | 13:48:26 |\n| 19 | about the decision. | 13:48:30 |\n| 20 | A.
Yes. | 13:48:33 |\n| 21 | He spoke to me about the decision. | 13:48:34 |\n| 22 | Q.
Before he made it or after? | 13:48:36 |\n| 23 | A.
After. | 13:48:40 |\n| 24 | Q.
And am I right that the decision was his, | 13:48:41 |\n| 25 | not yours?
Correct? | 13:48:47 |\n| | | Page 135 |\n\n| of 280 |\n|--------|\n| |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Golden Spring has been the litigation | 13:48:49 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | funding for Mr. Qiang Guo's father, I mean, for | 13:48:56 |\n| 3 | several years.
Mr. Qiang Guo made the decision, | 13:49:01 |\n| 4 | given the short time apparent.
As the president of | 13:49:05 |\n| 5 | the company, I am aligned with that, and he knew and | 13:49:09 |\n| 6 | he knows I am going to align with that. | 13:49:13 |\n| 7 | Q.
I see. | 13:49:15 |\n| 8 | A.
So no need -- | 13:49:16 |\n| 9 | Q.
And is that -- | 13:49:16 |\n| 10 | A.
No need to argue that, yeah, if that is what | 13:49:17 |\n| 11 | you are looking for. | 13:49:20 |\n| 12 | Q.
I'm -- I'm -- I'm -- you know, I'm not | 13:49:21 |\n| 13 | trying to argue with you.
I'm just trying to | 13:49:22 |\n| 14 | understand what happened. | 13:49:25 |\n| 15 | And so how about this? | 13:49:28 |\n| 16 | You understand that litigation funding in | 13:49:31 |\n| 17 | the past that Golden Spring may have provided to | 13:49:37 |\n| 18 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is different from the DIP loan that | 13:49:46 |\n| 19 | we are talking about today?
You understand that | 13:49:49 |\n| 20 | those are two different things; right? | 13:49:51 |\n| 21 | A.
Correct. | 13:49:54 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
And so I would like to focus just on | 13:49:54 |\n| 23 | the DIP loan and not litigation financing that may | 13:49:58 |\n| 24 | have occurred in the past. | 13:50:03 |\n| 25 | Do you understand? | 13:50:05 |\n| | | Page 136 |\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Yes. | 13:50:06 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
And so do I have it right that | 13:50:10 |\n| 3 | according to you, the decision about whether to agree | 13:50:13 |\n| 4 | to the DIP loan for the debtor was Mr. Qiang Guo's | 13:50:20 |\n| 5 | decision?
Correct? | 13:50:27 |\n| 6 | A.
He made a decision, obviously on behalf of | 13:50:34 |\n| 7 | Golden Spring, and he is the owner of the company. | 13:50:41 |\n| 8 | And we're aligned. | 13:50:43 |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay.
And you are the president, and all | 13:50:45 |\n| 10 | those other titles, of Golden Spring (New York) | 13:50:49 |\n| 11 | Limited; correct? | 13:50:52 |\n| 12 | A.
Correct. | 13:50:58 |\n| 13 | Q.
Have you ever disagreed with Mr. Qiang Guo | 13:50:59 |\n| 14 | about a decision that he has made? | 13:51:02 |\n| 15 | A.
Yes, of course. | 13:51:03 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
And did he solicit your agreement for | 13:51:06 |\n| 17 | this decision? | 13:51:08 |\n| 18 | A.
For this DIP loan decision, you mean? | 13:51:09 |\n| 19 | Q.
Uh-huh. | 13:51:13 |\n| 20 | A.
No. | 13:51:14 |\n| 21 | Why? | 13:51:19 |\n| 22 | Q.
He just -- he told you -- | 13:51:20 |\n| 23 | A.
Why? | 13:51:21 |\n| 24 | Q.
He told you -- he told you about it after he | 13:51:22 |\n| 25 | had made a decision; correct? | 13:51:24 |\n| | | Page 137 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
He briefed me what happened. | 13:51:26 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
What did he tell you? | 13:51:30 |\n| 3 | A.
About this DIP loan, and then he didn't have | 13:51:31 |\n| 4 | enough time within the short limit of time.
He took | 13:51:38 |\n| 5 | care of that. | 13:51:42 |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay. | 13:51:43 |\n| 7 | A.
So he always advise me with something in the | 13:51:44 |\n| 8 | short limit of time or urgency kind of like it. | 13:51:47 |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay. | 13:51:51 |\n| 10 | A.
And then he took it like that.
He briefed | 13:51:52 |\n| 11 | me.
That's it. | 13:51:56 |\n| 12 | Q.
Okay.
And I will ask you one more time what | 13:51:57 |\n| 13 | he said when he briefed you, and then I'll -- I'll | 13:52:01 |\n| 14 | try this another way. | 13:52:04 |\n| 15 | A.
Okay. | 13:52:06 |\n| 16 | Q.
What did he say when he briefed you, if you | 13:52:06 |\n| 17 | remember?
I mean, this was, what, a month ago? | 13:52:09 |\n| 18 | A.
So what are you asking about?
Like, when | 13:52:14 |\n| 19 | the brief happened or the DIP loan happened, sir? | 13:52:16 |\n| 20 | Q.
Fifteen seconds ago you told me a couple of | 13:52:18 |\n| 21 | times that Mr. Qiang Guo briefed you. | 13:52:22 |\n| 22 | Do you remember that? | 13:52:26 |\n| 23 | A.
Yes. | 13:52:27 |\n| 24 | Q.
What did he say when he briefed you? | 13:52:28 |\n| 25 | A.
He said he retained attorney and worked | 13:52:32 |\n| | | Page 138 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | together with the lenders' attorney and then -- to | 13:52:45 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | take care of the DIP loan.
And that is what he told | 13:52:48 |\n| 3 | me. | 13:52:53 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
Was that the first time you had heard | 13:52:53 |\n| 5 | about the DIP loan? | 13:52:57 |\n| 6 | A.
No. | 13:52:59 |\n| 7 | Q.
Who was the first person you heard about it | 13:53:01 |\n| 8 | from? | 13:53:05 |\n| 9 | A.
I heard from the attorneys -- our attorneys. | 13:53:06 |\n| 10 | Q.
Okay.
Before this conversation with | 13:53:10 |\n| 11 | Qiang Guo? | 13:53:13 |\n| 12 | A.
Correct.
Yes. | 13:53:14 |\n| 13 | Q.
Have you ever spoken with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok | 13:53:23 |\n| 14 | about the DIP loan ever? | 13:53:26 |\n| 15 | A.
I don't recall. | 13:53:29 |\n| 16 | Q.
Is it possible that you have? | 13:53:32 |\n| 17 | A.
Unlikely.
I don't recall. | 13:53:36 |\n| 18 | Q.
How often do you speak with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 13:53:48 |\n| 19 | A.
Oh, we meet as needed. | 13:53:51 |\n| 20 | Q.
A few times a week? | 13:53:56 |\n| 21 | A.
As needed. | 13:54:00 |\n| 22 | Q.
More or less than a few times a week? | 13:54:02 |\n| 23 | A.
As needed. | 13:54:07 |\n| 24 | Q.
I mean, as needed could be twenty times | 13:54:11 |\n| 25 | a day, Ms. Wang. | 13:54:14 |\n| | | Page 139 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Do you talk to him twenty times a day? | 13:54:16 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Obviously not. | 13:54:19 |\n| 3 | Q.
Well, it is not obvious because you won't | 13:54:20 |\n| 4 | answer the question. | 13:54:22 |\n| 5 | How often do you speak to him? | 13:54:23 |\n| 6 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 13:54:27 |\n| 7 | THE WITNESS:
As needed. | 13:54:28 |\n| 8 | MR. ROSEN:
Counsel, please specify a time | 13:54:29 |\n| 9 | frame. | 13:54:32 |\n| 10 | MR. HARBACH:
Sure. | 13:54:33 |\n| 11 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:54:34 |\n| 12 | Q.
From the moment you learned about the DIP | 13:54:34 |\n| 13 | loan from some attorney until today, how frequently | 13:54:37 |\n| 14 | have you spoken with Mr. Kwok Ho Wan? | 13:54:44 |\n| 15 | A.
Oh, I think I met him, like, more than | 13:54:51 |\n| 16 | a week ago -- a week ago. | 13:54:55 |\n| 17 | Q.
Okay.
That's one time. | 13:54:58 |\n| 18 | Any other times you can think of? | 13:55:04 |\n| 19 | A.
I don't recall. | 13:55:07 |\n| 20 | Q.
On that one occasion that you do recall, did | 13:55:10 |\n| 21 | you discuss the DIP loan with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 13:55:15 |\n| 22 | A.
No. | 13:55:19 |\n| 23 | Q.
When you saw Mr. Kwok most recently -- you | 13:55:40 |\n| 24 | said it was about a week ago -- was that in the | 13:55:45 |\n| 25 | Golden Spring (New York) offices? | 13:55:48 |\n| | | Page 140 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Yes. | 13:55:52 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
Do you recall what you did discuss | 13:55:52 |\n| 3 | with him on that occasion? | 13:55:56 |\n| 4 | A.
We just -- like, I send my regards, like, | 13:55:58 |\n| 5 | social. | 13:56:09 |\n| 6 | And he asked, are you doing good; right? | 13:56:10 |\n| 7 | So that's it, yeah. | 13:56:13 |\n| 8 | We chat -- and he chat whether I am safe, | 13:56:14 |\n| 9 | and I did the same.
That's it.
We didn't -- we | 13:56:17 |\n| 10 | didn't chat about other stuff.
I don't -- we didn't. | 13:56:20 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
And that was it, just -- just, like, | 13:56:23 |\n| 12 | hi, how are you, that sort of thing? | 13:56:26 |\n| 13 | A.
Yes. | 13:56:29 |\n| 14 | Obviously he was here, I believe, like, | 13:56:29 |\n| 15 | meeting his attorneys.
And I -- because this is my | 13:56:33 |\n| 16 | office; so I arranged the office, like, you know, | 13:56:39 |\n| 17 | like, take care of them; like, you know, arrange | 13:56:44 |\n| 18 | their food and coffee, those kinds of stuff; so my | 13:56:46 |\n| 19 | office did that for them. | 13:56:49 |\n| 20 | Q.
Your office or you? | 13:56:51 |\n| 21 | A.
My office.
I instructed my office to do | 13:56:52 |\n| 22 | that. | 13:56:58 |\n| 23 | Q.
Okay.
You have -- in your capacity as | 13:56:58 |\n| 24 | president and so forth of Golden Spring -- you know | 13:57:16 |\n| 25 | what I mean by and so forth; right? | 13:57:20 |\n| | | Page 141 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A. | I don't really know that. | 13:57:23 |\n|----|-------------|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q. | Okay. | 13:57:25 |\n| 3 | A. | What means so forth? | 13:57:26 |\n| 4 | Q. | Sure. | 13:57:27 |\n| 5 | | I mean all those other titles, president, | 13:57:29 |\n| 6 | | secretary, treasurer, director. | 13:57:33 |\n| 7 | | You hold all four titles; right? | 13:57:35 |\n| 8 | A. | Correct. | 13:57:37 |\n| 9 | Q. | Okay.
And you are the only president; | 13:57:38 |\n| 10 | correct? | | 13:57:40 |\n| 11 | A. | Correct. | 13:57:41 |\n| 12 | Q. | The only treasurer; correct? | 13:57:42 |\n| 13 | A. | Yes. | 13:57:44 |\n| 14 | Q. | Okay.
And what decisions are you empowered | 13:57:44 |\n| 15 | | to make in those roles without Qiang Guo's | 13:58:00 |\n| 16 | permission? | | 13:58:06 |\n| 17 | A. | I make most of the daily operation decisions | 13:58:06 |\n| 18 | in here. | Of course, I will brief him when we meet or | 13:58:15 |\n| 19 | | chat, but I made the, like, daily operation decision | 13:58:19 |\n| 20 | | by myself in here. | 13:58:25 |\n| 21 | Q. | How much is the -- the DIP loan that is at | 13:58:26 |\n| 22 | | issue in this case? | 13:58:29 |\n| 23 | A. | The DIP loan is \\$8 million U.S. | 13:58:30 |\n| 24 | Q. | And who did you learn that from? | 13:58:39 |\n| 25 | A. | Who did I got this from?
From | 13:58:41 |\n| | | | Page 142 |\n\n\n\n| of 280 | | | |\n|--------|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|--|\n| 1 | Mr. Qiang Guo. | 13:58:46 | |\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
Do you know where the \\$8 million | 13:58:46 | |\n| 3 | figure came from? | 13:58:54 | |\n| 4 | A.
When Mr. Qiang Guo advise me, he advise he | 13:58:55 | |\n| 5 | will take care of that also, as we always did.
Like | 13:59:06 | |\n| 6 | the fund; like, for example, like, you asked did his | 13:59:10 | |\n| 7 | father ask for buy something, like, he will -- I have | 13:59:14 | |\n| 8 | to escalate for him.
He will make a decision for him | 13:59:17 | |\n| 9 | that way. | 13:59:21 | |\n| 10 | Q.
I'm trying to understand, if you know, how | 13:59:22 | |\n| 11 | the figure of \\$8 million was arrived at. | 13:59:29 | |\n| 12 | MR. ROSEN:
Could we have the -- the | 13:59:33 | |\n| 13 | interpreter on that? | 13:59:35 | |\n| 14 | I believe the witness may have misunderstood | 13:59:36 | |\n| 15 | the question the first time. | 13:59:39 | |\n| 16 | MR. HARBACH:
Sure. | 13:59:41 | |\n| 17 | Ms. Johnston, do you need me to repeat it? | 13:59:42 | |\n| 18 | THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, please. | 13:59:47 | |\n| 19 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 13:59:48 | |\n| 20 | Q.
Ms. Wang, I'm asking if you know how the | 13:59:49 | |\n| 21 | \\$8 million figure was arrived at. | 13:59:55 | |\n| 22 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Question interpreted.) | 13:59:55 | |\n| 23 | THE WITNESS:
(Through the Interpreter) | 14:00:17 | |\n| 24 | I was not involved in how the \\$8 million was arrived; | 14:00:22 | |\n| 25 | so I do not have any personal knowledge. | 14:00:28 | |\n| | | Page 143 | |\n\n| | of 280 |\n|--|--------|\n|--|--------|\n\n\n\n| 1 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:00:32 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Did Mr. Qiang Guo ever tell you how the | 14:00:32 |\n| 3 | \\$8 million figure was arrived at? | 14:00:35 |\n| 4 | A.
(In English)
No. | 14:00:38 |\n| 5 | Q.
Are you familiar with the terms of the DIP | 14:00:52 |\n| 6 | loan? | 14:01:00 |\n| 7 | A.
You just asked me, yes.
Now, yes. | 14:01:01 |\n| 8 | MR. HARBACH:
Let's use the interpreter, | 14:01:11 |\n| 9 | please. | 14:01:13 |\n| 10 | Ms. Johnston, could you please ask:
Are you | 14:01:15 |\n| 11 | familiar with the terms of the DIP loan? | 14:01:19 |\n| 12 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Question interpreted.) | 14:01:34 |\n| 13 | THE WITNESS:
(Through the Interpreter) | 14:01:34 |\n| 14 | This was my first time involved in this matter; so | 14:01:50 |\n| 15 | I know it was a loan.
But I am unfamiliar with the | 14:01:54 |\n| 16 | terms. | 14:01:58 |\n| 17 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:02:05 |\n| 18 | Q.
Have you read the DIP loan agreement? | 14:02:05 |\n| 19 | A.
(In English)
Briefly, I went through, yes. | 14:02:08 |\n| 20 | Q.
When was that? | 14:02:17 |\n| 21 | A.
You mean when or what? | 14:02:18 |\n| 22 | Q.
I'm sorry. | 14:02:23 |\n| 23 | When?
When did you go through it briefly? | 14:02:24 |\n| 24 | A.
Oh, when I was -- I prepped with the | 14:02:28 |\n| 25 | counsels, I believe. | 14:02:35 |\n| | | Page 144 |\n\n1 Q. Okay. And how long ago was that? 14:02:36 2 A. I'm sorry. 14:02:40 3 What was your question? How long ago was 14:02:44 4 that? 14:02:47 5 Q. Yes, ma'am. 14:02:47 6 I'm -- I'm -- I'm -- I'm not interested in 14:02:49 7 what any of the attorneys told you, but I am 14:02:51 8 interested in when you met with them. 14:02:54 9 So when was it that you read the DIP loan 14:02:56 10 agreement? 14:03:00 11 A. When, you ask; right? 14:03:01 12 Q. Correct. 14:03:03 13 A. Before this deposition. Yesterday. 14:03:04 14 Q. Yesterday? 14:03:10 15 A. Yes. 14:03:13 16 Q. Was -- was yesterday the first time you saw 14:03:14 17 the DIP loan agreement? 14:03:19 18 A. I know it existed before yesterday, but 14:03:23 19 I didn't pay too much of attention until my attorney, 14:03:28 20 like, prepped me. 14:03:34 21 Q. Was yesterday the first day you saw the DIP 14:03:36 22 loan agreement? 14:03:40 23 A. I didn't recall. I may have seen that 14:03:43 24 before, but I couldn't recall. 14:03:46 25 MR. HARBACH: Scott, this question is not 14:03:54 Page 145\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-28 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 170 of 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | remotely intended to invade the privilege, but I hope | 14:03:56 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | you will understand why I am asking it. | 14:04:01 |\n| 3 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:04:03 |\n| 4 | Q.
Ms. Wang, when you met with the attorneys | 14:04:04 |\n| 5 | yesterday, was there an interpreter available to help | 14:04:06 |\n| 6 | you? | 14:04:09 |\n| 7 | A.
No. | 14:04:13 |\n| 8 | Q.
When you read the DIP loan agreement | 14:04:18 |\n| 9 | yesterday, did you understand it? | 14:04:21 |\n| 10 | A.
I know it is a loan.
It is 8 million, and | 14:04:31 |\n| 11 | interest is at 5 percent and subject to the court to | 14:04:34 |\n| 12 | approve by the end. | 14:04:38 |\n| 13 | Q.
Okay.
Do you know anything else about the | 14:04:42 |\n| 14 | conditions that are attached to the loan? | 14:04:46 |\n| 15 | A.
I learned from the reading it is kind of | 14:04:51 |\n| 16 | like a 50 percent pay the lender -- no.
The debtors | 14:04:55 |\n| 17 | professional.
Another 50 percent is going to pay | 14:05:00 |\n| 18 | U.S. Trustee and the other attorney related. | 14:05:05 |\n| 19 | Q.
Are you familiar with the term events of | 14:05:10 |\n| 20 | default? | 14:05:14 |\n| 21 | A.
You mean in this DIP loan agreement? | 14:05:15 |\n| 22 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 14:05:21 |\n| 23 | A.
I didn't pay attention about that. | 14:05:22 |\n| 24 | Q.
Do you know what any of the events of | 14:05:25 |\n| 25 | default that are in this DIP loan agreement are? | 14:05:29 |\n| | | Page 146 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Can I have, like, interpreter help me on | 14:05:32 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | this?
Because it is about this DIP loan details. | 14:05:40 |\n| 3 | Q.
Of course.
Of course. | 14:05:44 |\n| 4 | MR. HARBACH:
I'll repeat it for | 14:05:46 |\n| 5 | Ms. Johnston. | 14:05:49 |\n| 6 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:05:51 |\n| 7 | Q.
Do you know what any of the events of | 14:05:51 |\n| 8 | default in this DIP loan agreement are? | 14:05:53 |\n| 9 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Question interpreted.) | 14:05:53 |\n| 10 | THE WITNESS:
I don't recall. | 14:06:10 |\n| 11 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:06:10 |\n| 12 | Q.
You don't recall or you don't know? | 14:06:10 |\n| 13 | A.
I don't recall. | 14:06:15 |\n| 14 | Q.
Do you know who Arethusa Forsyth is? | 14:06:17 |\n| 15 | A-r-e-t-h-u-s-a, last name F, like Frank, | 14:06:50 |\n| 16 | o-r-s-y-t-h. | 14:06:58 |\n| 17 | Do you know who that person is? | 14:07:00 |\n| 18 | A.
This is attorney retained by Mr. Qiang Guo | 14:07:04 |\n| 19 | work on this DIP loan. | 14:07:09 |\n| 20 | Q.
Did you have any -- withdrawn. | 14:07:10 |\n| 21 | Do you know how Attorney Forsyth is being | 14:07:16 |\n| 22 | paid? | 14:07:28 |\n| 23 | A.
I'm sorry. | 14:07:29 |\n| 24 | Interpreter, can I have some support? | 14:07:30 |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Question interpreted.) | 14:07:30 |\n| | | Page 147 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | THE WITNESS:
Ah, okay.
Again, not my | 14:07:39 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | native language. | 14:07:41 |\n| 3 | So Mr. Qiang Guo advised me, and he is | 14:07:42 |\n| 4 | taking care of that also.
Because this attorney | 14:07:46 |\n| 5 | based in UK; so like, where Mr. Qiang Guo is at.
He | 14:07:52 |\n| 6 | will take care.
For Golden Spring, we didn't receive | 14:07:56 |\n| 7 | invoice yet.
Probably will come, but I didn't see | 14:08:00 |\n| 8 | that yet. | 14:08:03 |\n| 9 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:08:04 |\n| 10 | Q.
So when Mr. Qiang Guo told you that he would | 14:08:04 |\n| 11 | take care of it, you understood that to mean that | 14:08:07 |\n| 12 | Golden Spring (New York) would pay for her services; | 14:08:10 |\n| 13 | is that right? | 14:08:14 |\n| 14 | A.
That is my understanding.
For | 14:08:15 |\n| 15 | Golden Spring, like, we didn't receive invoice.
If | 14:08:21 |\n| 16 | we receive that invoice, we will take care of that. | 14:08:23 |\n| 17 | Q.
Okay.
Are there any other current officers | 14:08:26 |\n| 18 | and directors of Golden Spring (New York) Limited, | 14:08:50 |\n| 19 | besides you and Qiang Guo? | 14:08:57 |\n| 20 | A.
No. | 14:09:03 |\n| 21 | Only me and him. | 14:09:03 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
Am I right that there was a time, | 14:09:05 |\n| 23 | a few months in 2020, when you were replaced as | 14:09:14 |\n| 24 | president by someone named Daniel Podhaskie, | 14:09:23 |\n| 25 | P-o-d-h-a-s-k-i-e?
Is that right? | 14:09:27 |\n| | | Page 148 |\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | A. | Correct. | 14:09:37 |\n|----|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q. | It looks like Mr. Podhaskie was in those | 14:09:38 |\n| 3 | | roles for a little less than two months. | 14:09:49 |\n| 4 | | Does that sound about right to you? | 14:09:53 |\n| 5 | A. | Yes. | 14:09:55 |\n| 6 | Q. | Okay.
And why was it that he replaced you | 14:09:58 |\n| 7 | | for those couple of months? | 14:10:02 |\n| 8 | A. | Because I -- I was -- I had personal issue | 14:10:04 |\n| 9 | | by then, which I couldn't perform as my job as duty. | 14:10:13 |\n| 10 | Q. | I see. | 14:10:20 |\n| 11 | | And when that personal issue was resolved, | 14:10:21 |\n| 12 | | you returned -- | 14:10:25 |\n| 13 | A. | That's right. | 14:10:28 |\n| 14 | Q. | -- is that right? | 14:10:29 |\n| 15 | A. | Yes.
That's right. | 14:10:30 |\n| 16 | Q. | Okay.
Did you have a briefing with | 14:10:31 |\n| 17 | | Mr. Podhaskie when you came back on the job? | 14:10:50 |\n| 18 | A. | I don't recall. | 14:10:59 |\n| 19 | Q. | Okay.
Do you recall, in any conversations | 14:11:02 |\n| 20 | | with Mr. Podhaskie, whether he was in contact with | 14:11:08 |\n| 21 | | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 14:11:14 |\n| 22 | A. | No. | 14:11:19 |\n| 23 | | I don't recall.
We just handed over, like, | 14:11:22 |\n| 24 | | the daily operation work.
I mean, I don't recall | 14:11:31 |\n| 25 | | anything more than that. | 14:11:35 |\n| | | | Page 149 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
To your knowledge, is Mr. Podhaskie | 14:11:36 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | currently, as of today, working for Golden Spring | 14:11:45 |\n| 3 | (New York)? | 14:11:48 |\n| 4 | A.
No. | 14:11:48 |\n| 5 | Q.
Who is the current general counsel of | 14:11:50 |\n| 6 | Golden Spring (New York)? | 14:11:56 |\n| 7 | MR. ROSEN:
I'm going to object to that | 14:12:00 |\n| 8 | question, and I have been advised for matters of | 14:12:02 |\n| 9 | personal security that general counsel does not wish | 14:12:09 |\n| 10 | to disclose general counsel's identity. | 14:12:12 |\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
I think I can work | 14:12:17 |\n| 12 | around it, Scott.
Just don't hesitate to interrupt | 14:12:19 |\n| 13 | if -- if you want to, but I'm going to try and work | 14:12:23 |\n| 14 | around that. | 14:12:26 |\n| 15 | Okay? | 14:12:27 |\n| 16 | MR. ROSEN:
Okay. | 14:12:27 |\n| 17 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:12:27 |\n| 18 | Q.
Ms. Wang, your lawyer doesn't want you to | 14:12:28 |\n| 19 | say the name, but do you know who the current general | 14:12:31 |\n| 20 | counsel of Golden Spring (New York) is? | 14:12:35 |\n| 21 | A.
Yes, I know. | 14:12:37 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
And do you communicate with that | 14:12:39 |\n| 23 | person? | 14:12:42 |\n| 24 | A.
Yes, we do. | 14:12:46 |\n| 25 | Q.
How regularly?
How often do you communicate | 14:12:49 |\n| | | Page 150 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | with that person? | 14:12:52 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
We communicated -- it is not a daily basis, | 14:12:53 |\n| 3 | but several times per week. | 14:13:03 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
I find it interesting that you have | 14:13:06 |\n| 5 | a clear recollection of how often you speak with the | 14:13:13 |\n| 6 | general counsel, but no recollection with any clarity | 14:13:18 |\n| 7 | of how often you speak with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. | 14:13:24 |\n| 8 | Can you explain that? | 14:13:28 |\n| 9 | A.
Yes, sir. | 14:13:31 |\n| 10 | Because I'm the president of the | 14:13:33 |\n| 11 | Golden Spring, and that is my job to communicate with | 14:13:35 |\n| 12 | my employee, including my general counsel and the | 14:13:38 |\n| 13 | rest of our employees; so that is my job.
I am being | 14:13:42 |\n| 14 | paid to do that; so Mr. Ho Wan Kwok -- I mean, we | 14:13:46 |\n| 15 | don't communicate on a regular basis or any -- kind | 14:13:53 |\n| 16 | of like as you said, a regular basis.
We just | 14:13:56 |\n| 17 | communicate as we need.
I mean, he is not employee; | 14:13:59 |\n| 18 | right? | 14:14:04 |\n| 19 | And then I don't report to him; so why | 14:14:04 |\n| 20 | should I, you know, keep that rhythm and then to talk | 14:14:07 |\n| 21 | with someone who is not in my job work? | 14:14:10 |\n| 22 | Q.
Just one moment, please.
Hang on one | 14:14:14 |\n| 23 | second. | 14:14:24 |\n| 24 | When was the current general counsel of | 14:14:49 |\n| 25 | Golden Spring hired? | 14:14:52 |\n| | | Page 151 |\n\n1 A. Less than two years ago. 14:14:53\n\n2 Q. Okay. 14:15:05\n\n3 A. Less than -- closer to two years. 14:15:11\n\n4 Q. Approximately two years ago? 14:15:14\n\n5 A. Yes. 14:15:17\n\n6 About two years ago. A little more or less. 14:15:18 7 Q. Okay. And -- and were you involved in the 14:15:22 8 decision to hire this person? 14:15:28 9 A. Yes. 14:15:30 10 I make all the decision about the 14:15:35 11 recruitment as the president of the company. 14:15:38\n\n12 Q. How many other people did you interview for 14:15:41 13 that position? 14:15:45 14 A. Wow. I mean, when I hire people, I'm pretty 14:15:47 15 much, if I can say, picky; so I did interview, like, 14:15:56 16 several candidates. 14:16:02\n\n17 Q. Okay. Do you know where the person who is 14:16:04 18 currently the general counsel worked immediately 14:16:09 19 before coming to Golden Spring? 14:16:13 20 A. Can you please repeat again? 14:16:20 21 Q. Yes. 14:16:23 22 A. Sorry. 14:16:24 23 Q. The -- the person who is general counsel of 14:16:25 24 Golden Spring, who you said you were involved in 14:16:28 25 hiring, where did that person work immediately before 14:16:31\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | Golden Spring, if you know? | 14:16:36 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
I do know, but I don't feel comfortable to | 14:16:41 |\n| 3 | give any details about my current employee -- | 14:16:44 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay. | 14:16:47 |\n| 5 | A.
-- and including previous employer. | 14:16:48 |\n| 6 | Q.
How about this? | 14:16:51 |\n| 7 | A.
That safety reason again. | 14:16:52 |\n| 8 | Q.
Give me -- give me the -- give me the first | 14:16:54 |\n| 9 | letter of the company where the general counsel | 14:16:56 |\n| 10 | worked before coming to Golden Spring. | 14:16:59 |\n| 11 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
That's -- that is | 14:17:02 |\n| 12 | the -- it is the same issue. | 14:17:04 |\n| 13 | MR. HARBACH:
Because of the first letter? | 14:17:10 |\n| 14 | MR. ROSEN:
We are not playing, you know, | 14:17:12 |\n| 15 | twenty questions here.
David, c'mon. | 14:17:14 |\n| 16 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:17:24 |\n| 17 | Q.
Was the general counsel's prior employer -- | 14:17:24 |\n| 18 | was the identity of the general counsel's prior | 14:17:31 |\n| 19 | employer a factor in your decision to hire that | 14:17:39 |\n| 20 | person? | 14:17:44 |\n| 21 | A.
Well, I don't understand your question, sir. | 14:17:44 |\n| 22 | Can I ask for the interpreter to help me? | 14:17:46 |\n| 23 | Sorry. | 14:17:49 |\n| 24 | Q.
No problem. | 14:17:51 |\n| 25 | MR. HARBACH:
Here we go, Ms. Johnston. | 14:17:52 |\n| | | Page 153 |\n\nBY MR. HARBACH: 14:17:55\n\n2 Q. Is the -- was the identity of the general 14:17:55\n\nof 280\n\n| counsel's provider employer a factor in your decision | 14:17:58 |\n|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| to hire that person? | 14:18:05 |\n| THE INTERPRETER:
(Question interpreted.) | 14:18:24 |\n| THE WITNESS:
When I interview and hire | 14:18:31 |\n| | |\n\n| 7 | people, like the previous employer before me, that | 14:18:33 |\n|---|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 8 | does matter also.
And, obviously, you know, I want | 14:18:40 |\n| 9 | to hire the high quality of talent; right? | 14:18:44 |\n\n10 Where they are from, that do matter. And, 14:18:48 plus, I still care about, like, the loyalty with the 14:18:51 previous job. You already -- I don't like, you know, 14:18:54 employee or the candidate jumping too often from job 14:18:59 to job. But besides that, you know, I do care about, 14:19:04 like, the interview -- the feeling of the interview; 14:19:09 right? 14:19:11\n\n17 The understanding and the communication and 14:19:12 the people skill, of course the capability of 14:19:14 professional, that all matters; so to answer your 14:19:17 question, the previous employer does matter, but it 14:19:20 is not only the -- only one reason for me to make 14:19:23 a decision to send out the offer. 14:19:27 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:19:31 24 Q. Did you contact this general counsel's 14:19:31 previous employer during the hiring process? 14:19:34\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
I remember my HR department by then, they | 14:19:42 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | conducted the background check and reference check. | 14:19:47 |\n| 3 | I didn't do that by myself.
I have a company do | 14:19:51 |\n| 4 | that. | 14:19:54 |\n| 5 | Q.
So you did -- you, personally, did not speak | 14:19:54 |\n| 6 | to anyone at this person's prior employer; correct? | 14:19:57 |\n| 7 | A.
I mean, I manage the entire, like, employee. | 14:20:03 |\n| 8 | I mean, as the president of the company, my | 14:20:06 |\n| 9 | understanding is you are the -- the HR department | 14:20:09 |\n| 10 | will do that for me; right? | 14:20:12 |\n| 11 | Q.
You know, Ms. Wang, it is a simple question. | 14:20:14 |\n| 12 | I'm not suggesting you should have.
I'm just asking | 14:20:17 |\n| 13 | whether you did. | 14:20:20 |\n| 14 | A.
No, I didn't. | 14:20:21 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay. | 14:20:23 |\n| 16 | A.
My HR department did that, uh-huh. | 14:20:24 |\n| 17 | Q.
Okay.
Did you personally conduct any of the | 14:20:27 |\n| 18 | reference calls for this person? | 14:20:30 |\n| 19 | A.
No. | 14:20:32 |\n| 20 | I didn't do that.
But my -- my -- in | 14:20:35 |\n| 21 | person, my -- personally. | 14:20:40 |\n| 22 | Q.
But your understanding is that somebody in | 14:20:43 |\n| 23 | your HR department did? | 14:20:44 |\n| 24 | A.
Correct. | 14:20:46 |\n| 25 | Q.
Are there any other inhouse lawyers for | 14:20:47 |\n| | | Page 155 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Golden Spring (New York), apart from the general | 14:21:00 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | counsel? | 14:21:03 |\n| 3 | A.
Which time period you are asking, sir? | 14:21:04 |\n| 4 | Q.
Currently. | 14:21:10 |\n| 5 | A.
No. | 14:21:12 |\n| 6 | Q.
How many employees does Golden Spring | 14:21:14 |\n| 7 | (New York) Limited currently have? | 14:21:26 |\n| 8 | MR. ROSEN:
I believe that information has | 14:21:34 |\n| 9 | been previously provided.
And I believe, David, you | 14:21:36 |\n| 10 | are aware of the sensitivity to the employee issue. | 14:21:41 |\n| 11 | I -- I don't think we have an objection to answering | 14:21:45 |\n| 12 | how many employees there are, but I would ask you | 14:21:50 |\n| 13 | not -- not to get into any personal or identifying | 14:21:54 |\n| 14 | information with respect to that. | 14:21:57 |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH:
Yeah.
I -- I -- thank you, | 14:22:00 |\n| 16 | Scott. | 14:22:02 |\n| 17 | I do understand the position of | 14:22:04 |\n| 18 | Golden Spring (New York) as had been represented to | 14:22:06 |\n| 19 | us by counsel and repeated by counsel for the debtor | 14:22:09 |\n| 20 | in -- in a previous proceeding; so I will respect | 14:22:14 |\n| 21 | your request for purposes of this deposition while | 14:22:22 |\n| 22 | noting that we disagree strongly with the -- the | 14:22:25 |\n| 23 | basis of it. | 14:22:29 |\n| 24 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:22:33 |\n| 25 | Q.
So for the moment, Ms. Wang, my question is | 14:22:33 |\n| | | Page 156 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | just the number of employees. | 14:22:36 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | How many employees currently work at | 14:22:38 |\n| 3 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited? | 14:22:43 |\n| 4 | A.
Oh, currently I believe it is about fourteen | 14:22:45 |\n| 5 | of them, including myself. | 14:22:53 |\n| 6 | Q.
Including you? | 14:22:55 |\n| 7 | A.
Yes. | 14:22:58 |\n| 8 | Q.
Does that also include Mr. Qiang Guo?
Or | 14:22:58 |\n| 9 | no? | 14:23:04 |\n| 10 | A.
No. | 14:23:05 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
So you and the general counsel -- | 14:23:05 |\n| 12 | does that include that person? | 14:23:10 |\n| 13 | A.
Correct. | 14:23:13 |\n| 14 | Q.
Okay.
So you, the general counsel, and | 14:23:14 |\n| 15 | twelve other people? | 14:23:21 |\n| 16 | A.
Yes. | 14:23:23 |\n| 17 | Q.
Do all of those people work at the family | 14:23:23 |\n| 18 | office? | 14:23:32 |\n| 19 | MR. ROSEN:
I object to this.
The -- there | 14:23:36 |\n| 20 | are issues of physical security that I have been | 14:23:38 |\n| 21 | alerted to.
And if -- if -- if you would like, | 14:23:41 |\n| 22 | David, I do have a statement from the Golden Spring | 14:23:47 |\n| 23 | security team that I could read into the record. | 14:23:50 |\n| 24 | If -- if -- if you think it is appropriate.
But -- | 14:23:54 |\n| 25 | MR. HARBACH:
I -- I appreciate that, Scott. | 14:23:59 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I mean, I -- as I said before, we -- we understand | 14:24:02 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | the position that you are taking.
And if your | 14:24:05 |\n| 3 | position is whether all employees work in the same | 14:24:08 |\n| 4 | location presents a security risk such that you are | 14:24:13 |\n| 5 | going to direct the witness not to answer, that is | 14:24:16 |\n| 6 | okay.
I'll just note for the record that we -- we | 14:24:19 |\n| 7 | disagree and reserve the right to take it up with the | 14:24:22 |\n| 8 | Judge, like we do just about all of the objections | 14:24:26 |\n| 9 | that have been made today.
But -- but -- but that is | 14:24:30 |\n| 10 | sufficient for present purposes, if that is okay with | 14:24:34 |\n| 11 | you. | 14:24:36 |\n| 12 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes. | 14:24:37 |\n| 13 | That -- that is fine. | 14:24:38 |\n| 14 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 14:24:40 |\n| 15 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:24:41 |\n| 16 | Q.
Does Golden Spring -- as far as -- as you | 14:24:52 |\n| 17 | are concerned, Ms. Wang, does Golden Spring | 14:24:54 |\n| 18 | (New York) Limited expect to be repaid for the DIP | 14:24:59 |\n| 19 | loan? | 14:25:05 |\n| 20 | A.
It is a loan, yes.
Golden Spring is going | 14:25:06 |\n| 21 | to expect to be repaid. | 14:25:12 |\n| 22 | Q.
We were speaking earlier about bank accounts | 14:25:14 |\n| 23 | and whatnot, and I'm -- and I'm not intending to | 14:25:30 |\n| 24 | reopen that can of worms, but I am going to ask this | 14:25:33 |\n| 25 | precise question. | 14:25:38 |\n| | | Page 158 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | What is the source of the moneys that will | 14:25:38 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | fund the DIP loan if it is approved? | 14:25:41 |\n| 3 | A.
And it will be arranged by Mr. Qiang Guo | 14:25:43 |\n| 4 | directly. | 14:25:53 |\n| 5 | Q.
What is the source of the moneys that will | 14:25:53 |\n| 6 | fund the DIP loan if it is approved? | 14:25:58 |\n| 7 | A.
It will be arranged by Mr. Qiang Guo | 14:26:06 |\n| 8 | directly. | 14:26:08 |\n| 9 | Q.
Do you know where the money will come from? | 14:26:08 |\n| 10 | A.
I was not advised it yet, but Mr. Qiang Guo | 14:26:13 |\n| 11 | said that he will take care of that, as he always do. | 14:26:19 |\n| 12 | Q.
So you are president and treasurer of | 14:26:22 |\n| 13 | Golden Spring.
You are here testifying today about | 14:26:25 |\n| 14 | a DIP loan, as I have been reminded countless times. | 14:26:29 |\n| 15 | And your testimony is that you do not know where the | 14:26:35 |\n| 16 | money to fund the DIP loan is coming from. | 14:26:39 |\n| 17 | Have I got that right? | 14:26:45 |\n| 18 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
That | 14:26:47 |\n| 19 | mischaracterizes the witness' testimony. | 14:26:48 |\n| 20 | You can answer the question. | 14:26:55 |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS:
It will be arranged by | 14:26:56 |\n| 22 | Mr. Qiang Guo directly from his or -- his wealth, in | 14:26:58 |\n| 23 | my understanding, as always we do. | 14:27:06 |\n| 24 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:27:10 |\n| 25 | Q.
Did he tell you that? | 14:27:11 |\n| | | Page 159 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
He advised me he will take care of that. | 14:27:15 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Did he tell you where the money was coming | 14:27:18 |\n| 3 | from? | 14:27:20 |\n| 4 | A.
So far not yet.
But he said he will take | 14:27:21 |\n| 5 | care of that, as he always does. | 14:27:26 |\n| 6 | Q.
Did you ask him where the money was coming | 14:27:27 |\n| 7 | from? | 14:27:30 |\n| 8 | A.
I didn't. | 14:27:31 |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay. | 14:27:37 |\n| 10 | A.
He said he will take care of that. | 14:27:39 |\n| 11 | Q.
No. | 14:27:40 |\n| 12 | I -- I -- I understand that he said he will | 14:27:41 |\n| 13 | take care of it.
I'm just asking if you know where | 14:27:43 |\n| 14 | the money was coming from, and -- and I think I have | 14:27:46 |\n| 15 | got the answer. | 14:27:49 |\n| 16 | A.
We have trust between each other for so many | 14:27:51 |\n| 17 | years.
When -- as the owner of the company, he said | 14:27:54 |\n| 18 | he will take care of that, and I will just let him do | 14:27:57 |\n| 19 | his part.
I am doing my part; right?
So | 14:28:01 |\n| 20 | Q.
Listen, that -- that is fine.
But you have | 14:28:05 |\n| 21 | been tendered as the person at Golden Spring | 14:28:07 |\n| 22 | (New York) Limited with knowledge about all these | 14:28:11 |\n| 23 | topics that we have noticed.
One of the topics is | 14:28:14 |\n| 24 | the source of funds used by Golden Spring to finance | 14:28:17 |\n| 25 | the DIP loan agreement.
And so I -- I just asked you | 14:28:21 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | if you know, and so we are clear, your answer is you | 14:28:26 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | don't know, but Qiang Guo said he would take care of | 14:28:31 |\n| 3 | it, and that's enough for you. | 14:28:35 |\n| 4 | MR. ROSEN:
That's -- objection.
That | 14:28:38 |\n| 5 | mischaracterizes the testimony. | 14:28:40 |\n| 6 | MR. HARBACH:
Oh, Scott, how does that | 14:28:42 |\n| 7 | mischaracterize the testimony? | 14:28:44 |\n| 8 | MR. ROSEN:
Because she also testified that | 14:28:45 |\n| 9 | it could be from his wealth. | 14:28:47 |\n| 10 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:28:47 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
So did he -- did he say that?
My | 14:28:50 |\n| 12 | question is did he say that to you?
Did he say that | 14:28:57 |\n| 13 | I am -- I'm going to take care of it from my wealth? | 14:28:59 |\n| 14 | Is that what he said? | 14:29:02 |\n| 15 | A.
Correct. | 14:29:09 |\n| 16 | Q.
He said that to you? | 14:29:09 |\n| 17 | A.
Yes. | 14:29:12 |\n| 18 | As always, we chat.
He briefed me.
He | 14:29:13 |\n| 19 | said, I will take care of that.
You don't worry. | 14:29:17 |\n| 20 | And I have place to rent.
My understanding, after so | 14:29:20 |\n| 21 | many years, that will come from his wealth. | 14:29:23 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
So he did not say to you, I will take | 14:29:26 |\n| 23 | care of it from my money.
He just said, I will take | 14:29:29 |\n| 24 | care of it, and based on your experience with him | 14:29:34 |\n| 25 | over the years, you understood that to mean from his | 14:29:39 |\n| | | |\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | wealth. | 14:29:42 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Have I got that right? | 14:29:43 |\n| 3 | A.
So you remind me, like, he said I have it. | 14:29:45 |\n| 4 | I will take care of that.
That's his, as we said, | 14:29:51 |\n| 5 | quote to quote.
He said that to me.
In my | 14:29:55 |\n| 6 | understanding, that will come from his -- his wealth. | 14:29:58 |\n| 7 | Q.
Okay.
And when was this conversation? | 14:30:00 |\n| 8 | A.
That was yesterday also. | 14:30:03 |\n| 9 | Q.
Was yesterday the -- the first time you | 14:30:06 |\n| 10 | learned what the source of the funds used to finance | 14:30:17 |\n| 11 | the DIP loan agreement were coming from? | 14:30:24 |\n| 12 | A.
There was a -- in order to prep the | 14:30:30 |\n| 13 | deposition today, like, he went through this DIP loan | 14:30:37 |\n| 14 | arrangement with me a little bit. | 14:30:41 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay. | 14:30:43 |\n| 16 | A.
Yeah.
He mentioned to me, I have it. | 14:30:44 |\n| 17 | I will take care of that -- | 14:30:46 |\n| 18 | Q.
All right. | 14:30:48 |\n| 19 | A.
-- you know, as a conversation. | 14:30:49 |\n| 20 | Q.
Fair enough. | 14:30:50 |\n| 21 | My only question for you is when he told you | 14:30:51 |\n| 22 | yesterday, I have it.
I'll take care of it, is that | 14:30:54 |\n| 23 | the first time you learned what the source of the DIP | 14:30:58 |\n| 24 | loan funds would be? | 14:31:03 |\n| 25 | A.
That is the time I heard from him because | 14:31:05 |\n| | | Page 162 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I need to prep the deposition today.
But I know he | 14:31:11 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | has it for so many years; so it is not, like, the | 14:31:15 |\n| 3 | first time -- right? -- I got -- oh, you have money. | 14:31:20 |\n| 4 | It is not like that way.
I know he had it. | 14:31:23 |\n| 5 | Q.
Oh, I got it.
I got you.
And, believe me, | 14:31:25 |\n| 6 | I am not trying to suggest that yesterday was the | 14:31:28 |\n| 7 | first day you learned he had money.
Not at all. | 14:31:31 |\n| 8 | I get that. | 14:31:35 |\n| 9 | What I'm -- what I'm trying to focus on is | 14:31:36 |\n| 10 | was yesterday the first day that you learned that the | 14:31:38 |\n| 11 | money that would fund the DIP loan was going to come | 14:31:44 |\n| 12 | from Qiang Guo? | 14:31:47 |\n| 13 | A.
That was the time I heard from him, yes. | 14:31:52 |\n| 14 | Q.
Okay.
What is your understanding as to how | 14:31:55 |\n| 15 | the DIP loan is going to be repaid?
If you know. | 14:32:04 |\n| 16 | A.
I don't know. | 14:32:11 |\n| 17 | Q.
Okay.
Give me ten seconds, folks, please. | 14:32:13 |\n| 18 | Excuse me. | 14:32:31 |\n| 19 | Okay.
Thanks, everybody. | 14:33:24 |\n| 20 | Subject change. | 14:33:29 |\n| 21 | Ms. Wang, does -- does Golden Spring | 14:33:37 |\n| 22 | (New York) Limited have any kind of company bylaws | 14:33:45 |\n| 23 | that you know of? | 14:33:49 |\n| 24 | A.
Yes. | 14:33:50 |\n| 25 | We do have bylaws. | 14:33:50 |\n| | | Page 163 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
And do those bylaws say anything | 14:33:52 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | about decisions of the company and how they are to be | 14:33:56 |\n| 3 | made? | 14:34:04 |\n| 4 | A.
Yes. | 14:34:04 |\n| 5 | Q.
Okay.
And do those bylaws include rules | 14:34:05 |\n| 6 | about how the -- the president and treasurer are to | 14:34:10 |\n| 7 | be involved? | 14:34:13 |\n| 8 | A.
Yes. | 14:34:14 |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay.
And as far as you are aware, | 14:34:16 |\n| 10 | Golden Spring has operated within the constraints of | 14:34:22 |\n| 11 | those bylaws properly as long as you have been there? | 14:34:27 |\n| 12 | A.
What do you mean, properly, sir? | 14:34:31 |\n| 13 | Q.
Well, have they -- while you have been at | 14:34:34 |\n| 14 | Golden Spring (New York), have the rules been | 14:34:38 |\n| 15 | followed as laid out in the bylaws? | 14:34:41 |\n| 16 | A.
I mean, we are family office.
I mean, we're | 14:34:44 |\n| 17 | private company and family office.
I work for | 14:34:48 |\n| 18 | Mr. Qiang Guo, himself, for my entire career; so | 14:34:53 |\n| 19 | like, he authorized me to make a decision. | 14:35:02 |\n| 20 | I communicated with him.
I mean, we don't have | 14:35:06 |\n| 21 | issue.
If there is missing any paperwork, it doesn't | 14:35:08 |\n| 22 | mean that anybody purposely do anything wrong; so we | 14:35:11 |\n| 23 | are a family office. | 14:35:14 |\n| 24 | Q.
I'm not suggesting anything about | 14:35:16 |\n| 25 | wrongdoing, certainly not on purpose.
I asked you if | 14:35:19 |\n| | | Page 164 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | the company had bylaws.
You said yes. | 14:35:25 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | My next question is has the company abided | 14:35:27 |\n| 3 | by the bylaws as long as you have been there, as far | 14:35:31 |\n| 4 | as you know? | 14:35:35 |\n| 5 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
That's -- that is -- | 14:35:37 |\n| 6 | that is very broad. | 14:35:37 |\n| 7 | What particular aspect of the bylaws are you | 14:35:41 |\n| 8 | looking for? | 14:35:44 |\n| 9 | MR. HARBACH:
Well, I tried to remain | 14:35:45 |\n| 10 | focused on decision making and the powers of the | 14:35:47 |\n| 11 | president and treasurer; so I guess I'll ask it that | 14:35:50 |\n| 12 | way. | 14:35:55 |\n| 13 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:35:55 |\n| 14 | Q.
Have -- have the bylaws about the authority | 14:35:55 |\n| 15 | and power of the president and the treasurer been | 14:35:58 |\n| 16 | respected since you have been at Golden Spring? | 14:36:04 |\n| 17 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
The bylaws are not | 14:36:07 |\n| 18 | in the record.
It -- it is -- the question is -- is | 14:36:09 |\n| 19 | hopelessly vague. | 14:36:13 |\n| 20 | But you can answer. | 14:36:15 |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS:
Me and Mr. Qiang Guo, we | 14:36:18 |\n| 22 | manage Golden Spring (New York) Limited based on our | 14:36:23 |\n| 23 | aligned -- aligned -- our aligned agreement and | 14:36:26 |\n| 24 | proper authorization. | 14:36:31 |\n| 25 | /// | |\n| | | |\n\nof 280\n\n1 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:36:32\n\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
Let me ask a different question. | 14:36:35 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 3 | When you were appointed as president, | 14:36:40 |\n| 4 | secretary, treasurer of Golden Spring (New York) in | 14:36:47 |\n| 5 | the spring of 2018 -- that's -- so that is the time | 14:36:52 |\n| 6 | I'm focusing on -- were you aware that the company's | 14:36:57 |\n| 7 | charter had been inoperative and void since March 1 | 14:37:01 |\n| 8 | of 2017? | 14:37:07 |\n| 9 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
Assumes facts not on | 14:37:10 |\n| 10 | the record. | 14:37:13 |\n| 11 | THE WITNESS:
I don't recall. | 14:37:15 |\n| 12 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:37:16 |\n| 13 | Q.
Do you recall ever executing a revival -- | 14:37:18 |\n| 14 | a certificate of revival on behalf of Golden Spring | 14:37:23 |\n| 15 | (New York) Limited to correct that problem? | 14:37:27 |\n| 16 | A.
I don't recall.
If you have documents, you | 14:37:33 |\n| 17 | can remind me, sir. | 14:37:36 |\n| 18 | Q.
Give me just one second. | 14:37:38 |\n| 19 | Okay.
I think we're going to put up another | 14:39:17 |\n| 20 | exhibit here real quick that might help you remember. | 14:39:21 |\n| 21 | MR. HARBACH:
Yeah.
It is 808.
Yeah.
It | 14:39:30 |\n| 22 | is 808. | 14:39:40 |\n| 23 | (Deposition Exhibit Number 5 | 14:39:43 |\n| 24 | was marked for identification.) | 14:39:46 |\n| 25 | MR. HARBACH:
Thanks for your patience. | 14:39:46 |\n| | | Page 166 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I think we have got the document here. | 14:39:49 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | THE WITNESS:
Sorry. | 14:40:02 |\n| 3 | Sir, can we have a break after this | 14:40:05 |\n| 4 | document? | 14:40:07 |\n| 5 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:40:08 |\n| 6 | Q.
Sure. | 14:40:08 |\n| 7 | A.
Thank you. | 14:40:09 |\n| 8 | Q.
Okay.
So what is fixing to come through is | 14:40:18 |\n| 9 | Exhibit 5.
There we go. | 14:40:21 |\n| 10 | All right.
I had myself muted.
I'm sorry. | 14:41:02 |\n| 11 | Could you please go to the last page of | 14:41:04 |\n| 12 | Exhibit 5. | 14:41:07 |\n| 13 | A.
(Witness complies.) | 14:41:08 |\n| 14 | Yes.
I'm here. | 14:41:09 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
You see how this one is captioned | 14:41:10 |\n| 16 | state of Delaware, certificate for revival of | 14:41:14 |\n| 17 | charter? | 14:41:18 |\n| 18 | A.
Yes. | 14:41:18 |\n| 19 | Q.
And there is a signature at the bottom. | 14:41:19 |\n| 20 | Is that yours? | 14:41:23 |\n| 21 | A.
Yes. | 14:41:24 |\n| 22 | Q.
And the very bottom right hand of the page | 14:41:27 |\n| 23 | it says -- there is a stamp there that says filed | 14:41:30 |\n| 24 | ten -- there is a time of 10:23:18, I think it says. | 14:41:37 |\n| 25 | A.
Yes. | 14:41:46 |\n| | | Page 167 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
So this is what I was asking you | 14:41:46 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | about a minute ago.
In paragraph three, it says the | 14:41:52 |\n| 3 | date of filing of the corporation's original | 14:41:56 |\n| 4 | certificate of incorporation in Delaware was | 14:42:00 |\n| 5 | 03/10/2015. | 14:42:04 |\n| 6 | Do you see that? | 14:42:07 |\n| 7 | A.
Yes. | 14:42:08 |\n| 8 | Q.
So that March 10th of 2015 was the -- | 14:42:13 |\n| 9 | apparently the date of incorporation of Golden Spring | 14:42:16 |\n| 10 | (New York) Limited. | 14:42:20 |\n| 11 | And then if you look down at paragraph five, | 14:42:21 |\n| 12 | it says: | 14:42:25 |\n| 13 | \"The corporation was duly organized and | 14:42:26 |\n| 14 | carried on the business authorized by its | 14:42:29 |\n| 15 | charter until the first day of March AD 2017, | 14:42:32 |\n| 16 | at which time its charter became inoperative | 14:42:41 |\n| 17 | and void for nonpayment of taxes and/or | 14:42:44 |\n| 18 | failure to file a complete annual report and | 14:42:49 |\n| 19 | the certificate of revival is filed by | 14:42:54 |\n| 20 | authority of the duly elected directors of | 14:42:56 |\n| 21 | the corporation in accordance with the laws | 14:43:00 |\n| 22 | of the state of Delaware.\" | 14:43:04 |\n| 23 | Were you able to follow along with me while | 14:43:07 |\n| 24 | I read that? | 14:43:09 |\n| 25 | A.
Yes. | 14:43:10 |\n| | | Page 168 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
So now does this refresh your | 14:43:11 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | recollection about whether when you were hired at | 14:43:19 |\n| 3 | Golden Spring in the spring of 2018 the charter had | 14:43:23 |\n| 4 | been made inoperative and void? | 14:43:32 |\n| 5 | A.
So what is your question, sir?
Are you | 14:43:43 |\n| 6 | expecting me to reply? | 14:43:46 |\n| 7 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 14:43:47 |\n| 8 | Before I dug up this document, when I asked | 14:43:48 |\n| 9 | you that same question, you said I don't remember or | 14:43:52 |\n| 10 | I don't recall.
And you said to me, if you have any | 14:43:56 |\n| 11 | documents, maybe that could help me; so I'm providing | 14:44:00 |\n| 12 | you a document to try and help you. | 14:44:04 |\n| 13 | And the question is whether seeing this | 14:44:09 |\n| 14 | document refreshes your recollection about whether at | 14:44:11 |\n| 15 | the time you assumed your duties at Golden Spring | 14:44:15 |\n| 16 | (New York) in the spring of 2018 the company, in | 14:44:21 |\n| 17 | fact, had become inoperative -- correction. | 14:44:27 |\n| 18 | The charter of the company had become | 14:44:30 |\n| 19 | inoperative and void. | 14:44:33 |\n| 20 | A.
So you are asking me why?
Or what is your | 14:44:41 |\n| 21 | question, sir?
Why or -- | 14:44:45 |\n| 22 | Q.
I'm asking whether this is, in fact, true | 14:44:48 |\n| 23 | that at the time you were hired in the spring of | 14:44:54 |\n| 24 | 2018 -- okay? -- whether at that time the charter of | 14:44:58 |\n| 25 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited was inoperative and | 14:45:06 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | void. | 14:45:12 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
The -- the document | 14:45:12 |\n| 3 | speaks for itself. | 14:45:14 |\n| 4 | MR. HARBACH:
It -- it does, indeed, Scott. | 14:45:16 |\n| 5 | And that is quite fair. | 14:45:19 |\n| 6 | Unfortunately, the history of this | 14:45:21 |\n| 7 | litigation is that sometimes documents are challenged | 14:45:23 |\n| 8 | as being inauthentic and forgeries when they are | 14:45:26 |\n| 9 | plainly not; so I'm afraid I have to ask the | 14:45:31 |\n| 10 | question. | 14:45:34 |\n| 11 | MR. ROSEN:
You can answer the question. | 14:45:34 |\n| 12 | THE WITNESS:
Sir, I don't -- I don't know | 14:45:36 |\n| 13 | what happened before I was officially hired, but if | 14:45:39 |\n| 14 | you read back the entire Golden Spring, including, | 14:45:45 |\n| 15 | I believe, the corporation, was set up by attorney | 14:45:49 |\n| 16 | from William Connolly.
The attorney's name is | 14:45:52 |\n| 17 | addressed on page three, Jerry L. Shulman; so | 14:45:58 |\n| 18 | I know -- I got to know -- Jerry was Mr. Qiang Guo's | 14:46:03 |\n| 19 | attorney.
And William Connolly was, like, a -- what | 14:46:07 |\n| 20 | is technically, like, the Golden Spring charters, | 14:46:11 |\n| 21 | like, the documentation, you know, all the paperwork; | 14:46:17 |\n| 22 | so the answer to you was, like, when I was hired -- | 14:46:20 |\n| 23 | of course, I don't know what happened before me, but, | 14:46:25 |\n| 24 | obviously, Jerry Shulman, the attorney by then was -- | 14:46:28 |\n| 25 | maintained the -- the record here or fix the record | 14:46:32 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | somehow, which I am not aware of that before me. | 14:46:36 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 14:46:41 |\n| 3 | Q.
Okay.
Just a moment. | 14:46:42 |\n| 4 | Okay.
We thought we were having a fire | 14:46:50 |\n| 5 | drill in our building, but it is only a test.
Sorry | 14:46:53 |\n| 6 | for the noise. | 14:46:56 |\n| 7 | I understood what you said, Ms. Wang. | 14:47:00 |\n| 8 | You -- you signed this document, and it was filed in | 14:47:03 |\n| 9 | Delaware in October of 2018. | 14:47:12 |\n| 10 | Do you remember signing it? | 14:47:18 |\n| 11 | A.
I don't recall.
Too many years ago. | 14:47:22 |\n| 12 | Q.
I gather, from what you said a moment ago, | 14:47:24 |\n| 13 | that if I were to ask you how you learned that the | 14:47:29 |\n| 14 | charter of Golden Spring had become inoperative and | 14:47:38 |\n| 15 | void, you would say it was -- it was from the | 14:47:41 |\n| 16 | attorney you mentioned; is that right? | 14:47:45 |\n| 17 | A.
I read this from the exhibit you present to | 14:47:50 |\n| 18 | me.
And the attorney's name, Jerry Shulman, is on | 14:47:56 |\n| 19 | that.
Obviously, my understanding, he was working on | 14:48:02 |\n| 20 | this before. | 14:48:05 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
Did -- do you recall having | 14:48:06 |\n| 22 | conversations with Mr. Shulman? | 14:48:08 |\n| 23 | A.
I don't recall. | 14:48:11 |\n| 24 | Q.
And you recall Mr. Shulman -- that is | 14:48:12 |\n| 25 | S-h-u-l-m, like Mary, a-n. | 14:48:18 |\n| | | Page 171 |\n\nof 280\n\n| | 1 | |\n|--|---|--|\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | You recall him being a lawyer at | 14:48:22 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Williams & Connolly; is that right? | 14:48:25 |\n| 3 | A.
He is attorney of William Connolly, yes. | 14:48:28 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
And did you say -- make sure I heard | 14:48:31 |\n| 5 | you correctly. | 14:48:34 |\n| 6 | Did you say that -- that he and | 14:48:34 |\n| 7 | Williams & Connolly represented Qiang Guo? | 14:48:38 |\n| 8 | A.
In these .pdf -- in these exhibit, | 14:48:41 |\n| 9 | William Connolly, Jerry Shulman -- Jerry represents | 14:48:51 |\n| 10 | Golden Spring Limited also. | 14:48:56 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
Did -- did Mr. Shulman represent | 14:48:58 |\n| 12 | Qiang Guo? | 14:49:01 |\n| 13 | A.
I -- | 14:49:02 |\n| 14 | Q.
Because I believe that is what you said | 14:49:06 |\n| 15 | a few minutes ago.
I'm just trying to make sure | 14:49:08 |\n| 16 | I heard you correctly. | 14:49:11 |\n| 17 | A.
I believe so. | 14:49:13 |\n| 18 | Q.
Okay.
To your knowledge, did Mr. Shulman of | 14:49:14 |\n| 19 | Williams & Connolly represent Ho Wan Kwok? | 14:49:19 |\n| 20 | A.
I don't know that. | 14:49:22 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
The -- the document that is on the | 14:49:25 |\n| 22 | screen there says that the reason the charter became | 14:49:31 |\n| 23 | inoperative and void was for nonpayment of taxes | 14:49:37 |\n| 24 | and/or failure to file a complete annual report. | 14:49:42 |\n| 25 | Do you know which of those reasons, or both | 14:49:50 |\n| | | Page 172 |\n\nVeritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127\n\n\n\n| 1 | reasons, were why the charter of Golden Spring became | 14:49:55 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | inoperative and void? | 14:50:03 |\n| 3 | A.
As I said, before me, what happened I don't | 14:50:05 |\n| 4 | know.
But since I was appointed, Golden Spring never | 14:50:14 |\n| 5 | has this problem. | 14:50:20 |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay.
Well, it apparently had the problem | 14:50:21 |\n| 7 | for six months after you were appointed because the | 14:50:24 |\n| 8 | certificate of revival wasn't filed until October; so | 14:50:28 |\n| 9 | I'll ask the same question.
And maybe you don't | 14:50:35 |\n| 10 | know.
It is okay if you don't know, but all I can do | 14:50:37 |\n| 11 | is ask. | 14:50:40 |\n| 12 | Do you know what the reason was why the | 14:50:41 |\n| 13 | charter became inoperative and void? | 14:50:45 |\n| 14 | A.
I don't know the reason, but I am not able | 14:50:53 |\n| 15 | to fix everything that happened before me from day | 14:50:56 |\n| 16 | one I was appointed; right? | 14:51:00 |\n| 17 | So the six months, that is a fair time.
But | 14:51:02 |\n| 18 | I need to spend on time and then start to catch up | 14:51:04 |\n| 19 | and fix what happened before me. | 14:51:08 |\n| 20 | Q.
Yeah.
And thank you. | 14:51:09 |\n| 21 | You requested a short break. | 14:51:19 |\n| 22 | MR. HARBACH:
And why don't we take that | 14:51:21 |\n| 23 | now. | 14:51:23 |\n| 24 | Just so everybody knows -- I hesitate to say | 14:51:24 |\n| 25 | it, but I'm close to finishing up.
Why don't we take | 14:51:28 |\n| | | Page 173 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | a break until 3:00 o'clock. | 14:51:33 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are going off the | 14:51:36 |\n| 3 | record. | 14:51:37 |\n| 4 | The time is 2:51 p.m. | 14:51:37 |\n| 5 | (Short recess taken.) | 15:02:54 |\n| 6 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are back on the | 15:02:54 |\n| 7 | record. | 15:02:57 |\n| 8 | The time is 3:02. | 15:02:57 |\n| 9 | MR. HARBACH:
Apologies, everyone.
There | 15:03:28 |\n| 10 | was a loud announcement on our loudspeakers here. | 15:03:30 |\n| 11 | That is why I remained muted. | 15:03:34 |\n| 12 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:03:34 |\n| 13 | Q.
One cleanup question, Ms. Wang, before we | 15:03:38 |\n| 14 | proceed to the next topic. | 15:03:42 |\n| 15 | Could you describe one successful investment | 15:03:44 |\n| 16 | that Golden Spring (New York) has made since you have | 15:03:49 |\n| 17 | been president? | 15:03:53 |\n| 18 | A.
Since I was appointed as a president; so the | 15:03:55 |\n| 19 | first job, of course, is build up the entire team and | 15:04:10 |\n| 20 | then start back to the operation.
And then we did | 15:04:13 |\n| 21 | have some projects in discussion and then develop. | 15:04:22 |\n| 22 | But because of a Pacific Alliance branded lawsuit, | 15:04:26 |\n| 23 | I mean, our bank balance was very seriously hurt; so | 15:04:35 |\n| 24 | we were not able to complete the full investment | 15:04:39 |\n| 25 | project.
But we did have some -- very prospective | 15:04:43 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | one before. | 15:04:49 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
Leaving aside the prospective one, is | 15:04:50 |\n| 3 | there any investment project that Golden Spring has | 15:04:55 |\n| 4 | done that has succeeded since you have been | 15:05:02 |\n| 5 | president? | 15:05:05 |\n| 6 | A.
As I just explained, because our banking | 15:05:06 |\n| 7 | relationship was hurted by Pacific Alliance; so we | 15:05:10 |\n| 8 | were not able to complete a full successful | 15:05:16 |\n| 9 | project -- investment project. | 15:05:20 |\n| 10 | Q.
Okay.
So -- so the answer is no? | 15:05:22 |\n| 11 | A.
Correct. | 15:05:25 |\n| 12 | Q.
Okay.
Did you know Qiang Guo before you | 15:05:26 |\n| 13 | became an officer and director of Golden Spring | 15:05:37 |\n| 14 | (New York) Limited? | 15:05:42 |\n| 15 | A.
Yes. | 15:05:42 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Can you describe for me one | 15:05:42 |\n| 17 | successful business enterprise that Qiang Guo has | 15:05:48 |\n| 18 | launched since you have known him. | 15:05:54 |\n| 19 | A.
I don't want to put his business, any | 15:05:57 |\n| 20 | specific name, at any risk for obvious reason.
But | 15:06:06 |\n| 21 | what I can tell you is that he has been very | 15:06:10 |\n| 22 | successful in the investment world for -- in -- in | 15:06:13 |\n| 23 | all of -- in different countries. | 15:06:19 |\n| 24 | Q.
And isn't it true that the -- the money that | 15:06:21 |\n| 25 | he got to invest came from his father? | 15:06:25 |\n| | | |\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
No. | | 15:06:30 |\n|---|-----------|---------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q. | Where did it come from? | 15:06:31 |\n| 3 | A. | It come from his own successful investment. | 15:06:33 |\n| 4 | Q. | Okay.
I'm asking about the money that he | 15:06:42 |\n\n| 5 | originally invested to become successful, didn't that | 15:06:46 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 6 | come from his father? | 15:06:52 |\n| 7 | A.
No. | 15:06:54 |\n| 8 | Q.
Okay.
Where did it come from? | 15:06:55 |\n| 9 | A.
What I -- what I learned is that it come | 15:06:58 |\n| 10 | from his family -- his extended family. | 15:07:05 |\n\n11 Q. Who told you that? 15:07:08\n\n12 A. I learned from him. 15:07:12\n\n13 Q. That is what he told you? 15:07:14\n\n| 14 | A.
(Nods head.) | 15:07:17 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
Next subject, do you remember earlier | 15:07:21 |\n| 16 | in our time today I explained to you that there was | 15:07:28 |\n| 17 | a difference between the -- the DIP loan, which we | 15:07:31 |\n| 18 | just talked about for some time, and then also loans | 15:07:35 |\n| 19 | to fund litigation?
Do you remember that? | 15:07:39 |\n| 20 | A.
Yes. | 15:07:43 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
And so now I want to talk about that | 15:07:45 |\n| 22 | second category, which is the loans that | 15:07:50 |\n| 23 | Golden Spring (New York) has made to Ho Wan Kwok for | 15:07:55 |\n| 24 | litigation. | 15:08:02 |\n\n25 Okay? 15:08:04\n\n\n\n| 1 | A. | Yes. | 15:08:06 |\n|----|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q. | Okay.
So I -- for -- for right now I'm not | 15:08:06 |\n| 3 | | talking about the DIP loan. | 15:08:09 |\n| 4 | | Do you understand? | 15:08:11 |\n| 5 | A. | Yes. | 15:08:12 |\n| 6 | Q. | Okay.
According to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, | 15:08:15 |\n| 7 | | Golden Spring (New York) has loaned him approximately | 15:08:23 |\n| 8 | | \\$21 million to pay for litigation costs. | 15:08:29 |\n| 9 | | My question to you is are you aware of that? | 15:08:35 |\n| 10 | A. | Yes. | 15:08:39 |\n| 11 | Q. | Okay.
Who requested those loans? | 15:08:43 |\n| 12 | A. | Who requested those loans?
You mean the -- | 15:08:47 |\n| 13 | | I mean, can you explain more about the question? | 15:08:59 |\n| 14 | Q. | Who requested that Golden Spring (New York) | 15:09:05 |\n| 15 | | Limited would make those loans to cover | 15:09:10 |\n| 16 | | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's litigation costs? | 15:09:16 |\n| 17 | A. | I believe they borrowed -- requested from | 15:09:21 |\n| 18 | | Mr. Qiang Guo directly, the owner of Golden Spring. | 15:09:28 |\n| 19 | Q. | By the borrower, you mean Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 15:09:38 |\n| 20 | A. | That's right. | 15:09:38 |\n| 21 | Q. | Are you cap- -- withdrawn. | 15:09:44 |\n| 22 | | So father asked son to make the loans. | 15:09:45 |\n| 23 | | Is that what you understand? | 15:09:52 |\n| 24 | A. | Yes. | 15:09:54 |\n| 25 | Q. | Okay.
Who approved those loans for | 15:09:54 |\n| | | | Page 177 |\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | Golden Spring (New York)? | 15:10:03 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
They were approved by both Mr. Qiang Guo and | 15:10:06 |\n| 3 | myself, as the president of Golden Spring. | 15:10:13 |\n| 4 | Q.
How did you become aware of the loans that | 15:10:18 |\n| 5 | were requested? | 15:10:20 |\n| 6 | A.
I heard from Mr. Qiang Guo. | 15:10:22 |\n| 7 | Q.
Did you have any conversations with | 15:10:28 |\n| 8 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok about those loans? | 15:10:30 |\n| 9 | A.
No. | 15:10:34 |\n| 10 | I don't recall. | 15:10:37 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
You never asked him what the money | 15:10:38 |\n| 12 | was for? | 15:10:43 |\n| 13 | A.
No. | 15:10:44 |\n| 14 | That was a conversation between | 15:10:47 |\n| 15 | Mr. Qiang Guo and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. | 15:10:48 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Were any of the litigation loans that | 15:10:51 |\n| 17 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok asked for refused? | 15:11:04 |\n| 18 | A.
Yes. | 15:11:12 |\n| 19 | Q.
By whom? | 15:11:14 |\n| 20 | A.
Refused by Mr. Qiang Guo. | 15:11:17 |\n| 21 | Q.
Did you agree, in your capacity as | 15:11:20 |\n| 22 | president, that it should have been refused? | 15:11:25 |\n| 23 | A.
I am aligned with Mr. Qiang Guo's rejection. | 15:11:29 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
Are you ever not aligned with his | 15:11:35 |\n| 25 | decisions about matters involving millions of | 15:11:38 |\n| | | Page 178 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | dollars? | 15:11:42 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Yes. | 15:11:43 |\n| 3 | Q.
Okay.
Can you describe occasion on which | 15:11:47 |\n| 4 | your opinion prevailed? | 15:11:51 |\n| 5 | A.
For example, I make all the decision on the | 15:11:56 |\n| 6 | daily operation, including outfit -- | 15:12:00 |\n| 7 | Q.
I'm not asking about -- I'm not asking about | 15:12:04 |\n| 8 | daily operations.
I'm asking about a decision | 15:12:07 |\n| 9 | involving more than a million dollars. | 15:12:11 |\n| 10 | Has there ever been -- | 15:12:15 |\n| 11 | A.
I don't understand what you are asking | 15:12:17 |\n| 12 | about.
More than a million dollars is very general. | 15:12:20 |\n| 13 | I mean, I don't understand what you are asking, sir. | 15:12:23 |\n| 14 | Q.
Okay.
You just told me a moment ago that | 15:12:25 |\n| 15 | there have been occasions when you have disagreed | 15:12:28 |\n| 16 | with Mr. Qiang Guo; right? | 15:12:31 |\n| 17 | A.
That's right. | 15:12:33 |\n| 18 | Q.
Okay.
My question to you is has there ever | 15:12:34 |\n| 19 | been a disagreement between you and him about | 15:12:38 |\n| 20 | a decision that involved more than a million dollars? | 15:12:43 |\n| 21 | A.
More than a million dollars? | 15:12:48 |\n| 22 | Q.
Yes. | 15:12:52 |\n| 23 | A.
I mean, we did have some disagreements in | 15:12:53 |\n| 24 | the very beginning about some potential investment | 15:12:58 |\n| 25 | project; so we didn't get agreement, and he was | 15:13:01 |\n| | | Page 179 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | convinced, if that is what you were talking about. | 15:13:05 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Well, I'm not talking about anything in | 15:13:11 |\n| 3 | particular.
I'm just asking.
And I'm trying to get | 15:13:15 |\n| 4 | an understanding of what real authority you have as | 15:13:18 |\n| 5 | president and treasurer of Golden Spring (New York) | 15:13:21 |\n| 6 | Limited.
Because what you have told me thus far is | 15:13:24 |\n| 7 | that the DIP loan was approved by Mr. Qiang Guo | 15:13:28 |\n| 8 | without your input and that it was enough for you | 15:13:33 |\n| 9 | that he told you that he would take care of it.
And | 15:13:38 |\n| 10 | when it comes to the litigation funding, you have | 15:13:42 |\n| 11 | told me that father asked son and that you have never | 15:13:45 |\n| 12 | spoken to father about it, not even to ask him what | 15:13:49 |\n| 13 | the money was for. | 15:13:51 |\n| 14 | So what I'm trying to understand is what | 15:13:53 |\n| 15 | exactly your role is.
I mean, I know what your | 15:13:56 |\n| 16 | titles are, but I'm trying to understand what your | 15:14:00 |\n| 17 | role is; so that is why I'm asking these questions. | 15:14:03 |\n| 18 | And so my question is is there an occasion | 15:14:08 |\n| 19 | you can point to where you disagreed with | 15:14:13 |\n| 20 | Mr. Qiang Guo over a decision that involved more than | 15:14:18 |\n| 21 | a million dollars? | 15:14:23 |\n| 22 | A.
Yes. | 15:14:26 |\n| 23 | Q.
Okay.
How recently? | 15:14:27 |\n| 24 | A.
What do you mean, how recently?
I already | 15:14:30 |\n| 25 | explained, like, regarding when I was appointed | 15:14:35 |\n| | | Page 180 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | and -- | 15:14:38 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay. | 15:14:39 |\n| 3 | A.
-- disagreements about investment projects. | 15:14:39 |\n| 4 | I am talking about real estate or investment project | 15:14:43 |\n| 5 | in New York. | 15:14:47 |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay.
And that was -- | 15:14:47 |\n| 7 | A.
I didn't convince him.
I didn't convince | 15:14:49 |\n| 8 | him.
They are all more than a million projects; | 15:14:51 |\n| 9 | right? | 15:14:54 |\n| 10 | And I -- and I just testified this | 15:14:54 |\n| 11 | afternoon -- this morning, and he made decision about | 15:14:56 |\n| 12 | the vehicles, which I don't align with that.
But, of | 15:15:00 |\n| 13 | course, we didn't get agreement, and he purchased the | 15:15:06 |\n| 14 | cars.
Because I don't agree with that; so that is | 15:15:09 |\n| 15 | the reason why I don't want to get too much of | 15:15:12 |\n| 16 | details, even as the president.
We are a family | 15:15:14 |\n| 17 | office; right? | 15:15:18 |\n| 18 | If we don't get aligned and -- that he is | 15:15:19 |\n| 19 | the owner of the company about the director; right? | 15:15:21 |\n| 20 | So he made the decision about the vehicles, | 15:15:25 |\n| 21 | and then I made the decision about the investment | 15:15:30 |\n| 22 | opportunity.
And then we did have disagreement.
We | 15:15:33 |\n| 23 | take care of -- we take care of the result by the | 15:15:35 |\n| 24 | end. | 15:15:37 |\n| 25 | Q.
Okay.
All right.
And so there -- I think | 15:15:37 |\n| | | Page 181 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | I understand your answer, but there are two things | 15:15:39 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | that I just want to clarify and make sure of. | 15:15:43 |\n| 3 | Number one, examples of disagreement. | 15:15:45 |\n| 4 | I asked you about timing.
You just explained that | 15:15:48 |\n| 5 | one of those examples was when you were appointed in | 15:15:52 |\n| 6 | 2018 the -- you mentioned a real estate project. | 15:15:55 |\n| 7 | Understood. | 15:15:59 |\n| 8 | You also mentioned the vehicles just now | 15:16:00 |\n| 9 | that we were talking about earlier today. | 15:16:03 |\n| 10 | Any other examples that you can think of? | 15:16:07 |\n| 11 | A.
You are asking me about more than a million, | 15:16:12 |\n| 12 | which -- I mean, the advisement project, they are | 15:16:19 |\n| 13 | more than a million. | 15:16:23 |\n| 14 | Q.
I understand.
And I got that. | 15:16:24 |\n| 15 | I'm asking whether there are any other | 15:16:26 |\n| 16 | examples, besides those two. | 15:16:29 |\n| 17 | A.
We are a family office in here.
If you are | 15:16:32 |\n| 18 | asking about his father's legal thing, I mean that | 15:16:39 |\n| 19 | his father -- as per Mr. Qiang Guo advise me, his | 15:16:44 |\n| 20 | father might want to bring some litigation, which he | 15:16:47 |\n| 21 | was asking my advice, which I give him my advice and | 15:16:51 |\n| 22 | then he took it to support his father or not.
That | 15:16:56 |\n| 23 | happened also. | 15:16:59 |\n| 24 | Q.
With respect -- with respect to the -- the | 15:17:00 |\n| 25 | vehicles, I believe you said that even though you | 15:17:05 |\n| | | |\n\nVeritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127\n\n1 disagreed, Mr. Qiang Guo decided to buy the vehicles 15:17:09 2 anyway; right? 15:17:14 3 A. That's right. 15:17:16 4 Q. Okay. And isn't that true that, in general, 15:17:19 5 if you disagree, as you said, Mr. Qiang Guo is going 15:17:29 6 to be the one who decides, according to you? 15:17:34 7 A. No. 15:17:38 8 It is -- it happened on his side also. If 15:17:41 9 I don't disagree, he will go with me. 15:17:46 10 Q. Okay. Can you think of an example where you 15:17:49 11 have disagreed and your point of view prevailed and 15:17:57 12 the decision at issue involved more than a million 15:18:10 13 dollars? 15:18:14 14 A. Sir, I just replied to your question. Like, 15:18:17 15 the real estate property investment project. 15:18:21 16 Q. Besides -- besides that one. 15:18:25 17 A. I mean, as I explained, that is our business 15:18:29 18 plan; right? 15:18:32 19 We do real estate investment. 15:18:33 20 I already testified that as a family office; 15:18:35 21 right? 15:18:38 22 Q. I'm -- I'm going to interpret your answer as 15:18:39 23 that is the only example you can think of. 15:18:42 24 A. I don't agree. I don't agree. This is not 15:18:44 25 my answer. I give you my answer very clear. 15:18:47 Page 183\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Well, then tell me -- tell me another | 15:18:50 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | example then.
Tell me another example of a decision | 15:18:54 |\n| 3 | involving more than a million dollars with which you | 15:18:57 |\n| 4 | disagree and your opinion prevailed, besides the real | 15:19:00 |\n| 5 | estate project that you have already mentioned three | 15:19:05 |\n| 6 | times. | 15:19:08 |\n| 7 | Any other example? | 15:19:09 |\n| 8 | A.
I answered already. | 15:19:12 |\n| 9 | Q.
Are any of the \\$21 million in litigation | 15:19:14 |\n| 10 | loans to Golden Spring (New York) expected to be | 15:19:29 |\n| 11 | repaid? | 15:19:32 |\n| 12 | A.
Yes. | 15:19:34 |\n| 13 | Q.
Are any of the loans in writing? | 15:19:34 |\n| 14 | A.
Yes. | 15:19:41 |\n| 15 | Q.
Have you seen the -- the documents for any | 15:19:41 |\n| 16 | of the loans? | 15:19:49 |\n| 17 | A.
Yes. | 15:19:53 |\n| 18 | Q.
Where are they? | 15:19:53 |\n| 19 | A.
They are in my office. | 15:19:55 |\n| 20 | Q.
On East 64th Street or wherever? | 15:20:02 |\n| 21 | A.
What do you mean, wherever? | 15:20:09 |\n| 22 | Q.
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to avoid using the | 15:20:11 |\n| 23 | exact address. | 15:20:15 |\n| 24 | Are they at the family office in | 15:20:15 |\n| 25 | New York City? | 15:20:18 |\n| | | Page 184 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A. | I believe in the morning of -- this morning | 15:20:18 |\n|----|---------------|----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | | I already testified my address, which you have it, | 15:20:21 |\n| 3 | sir. | It is on the 64th Street office, Golden Spring | 15:20:25 |\n| 4 | | (New York)'s office. | 15:20:29 |\n| 5 | Q. | Okay. | 15:20:29 |\n| 6 | A. | You don't need to avoid mentioning the | 15:20:30 |\n| 7 | address, sir. | You have it. | 15:20:34 |\n| 8 | Q. | Well, forgive me for being extra careful in | 15:20:36 |\n| 9 | | light of your security concerns. | 15:20:40 |\n| 10 | A. | Thank you. | 15:20:43 |\n| 11 | Q. | Is that -- is that the address where the | 15:20:44 |\n| 12 | | loan documents are located? | 15:20:45 |\n| 13 | A. | Correct. | 15:20:47 |\n| 14 | Q. | How many such loan documents are there? | 15:20:47 |\n| 15 | A. | Several of them. | 15:20:51 |\n| 16 | Q. | More than ten? | 15:20:52 |\n| 17 | A. | Several of them. | 15:20:58 |\n| 18 | Q. | Do you know whether it is more than ten or | 15:21:00 |\n| 19 | not? | | 15:21:02 |\n| 20 | A. | I replied, several of them. | 15:21:04 |\n| 21 | Q. | Did you sign them? | 15:21:07 |\n| 22 | A. | Yes. | 15:21:11 |\n| 23 | Q. | Who signed them for the borrower? | 15:21:12 |\n| 24 | A. | The borrower signed it. | 15:21:19 |\n| 25 | Q. | Who is the borrower? | 15:21:23 |\n| | | | Page 185 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | A.
Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. | 15:21:25 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Q.
Okay.
Were you present when he signed them? | 15:21:27 |\n| 3 | A.
I don't recall. | 15:21:30 |\n| 4 | Q.
Okay.
How many of the \\$21 million in loan | 15:21:33 |\n| 5 | are undocumented? | 15:21:42 |\n| 6 | A.
I don't recall.
I couldn't give you the | 15:21:44 |\n| 7 | precise number. | 15:21:50 |\n| 8 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
Well, we'll -- we'll | 15:21:51 |\n| 9 | request -- Scott, we'll request that Golden Spring | 15:21:54 |\n| 10 | (New York) Limited immediately produce to us all of | 15:21:59 |\n| 11 | the documents that the witness has just described, | 15:22:02 |\n| 12 | namely, the loan agreements substantiating any | 15:22:09 |\n| 13 | portion of the \\$21 million in litigation loans that | 15:22:13 |\n| 14 | the debtor has taken out from Golden Spring | 15:22:16 |\n| 15 | (New York). | 15:22:20 |\n| 16 | MR. ROSEN:
I understand the request, and we | 15:22:21 |\n| 17 | will take it under advisement. | 15:22:23 |\n| 18 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 15:22:25 |\n| 19 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:22:29 |\n| 20 | Q.
Ms. Wang, are you familiar with the terms of | 15:22:29 |\n| 21 | any of those loans, meaning the litigation loans? | 15:22:32 |\n| 22 | A.
They are loans.
They have interest.
They | 15:22:36 |\n| 23 | should be paid back. | 15:22:43 |\n| 24 | Q.
What interest rate? | 15:22:44 |\n| 25 | A.
I couldn't remember clearly.
I couldn't | 15:22:46 |\n| | | Page 186 |\n\n1 remember clearly. Like, 2, 3 percent. I couldn't 15:22:53 2 remember. 15:22:56 3 Q. Who negotiated the interest rate on those 15:22:56 4 loans for Golden Spring (New York)? 15:22:59 5 A. Me and Mr. Qiang Guo, we designed it. 15:23:01 6 Q. Who negotiated with the -- the borrower, 15:23:06 7 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, for the interest rate on these 15:23:13 8 loans? 15:23:16 9 A. I don't recall. 15:23:18 10 Q. Did you communicate with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 15:23:21 11 about the interest rate on these loans? 15:23:26 12 A. I don't recall. 15:23:29 13 Q. Is the interest rate the same on all of the 15:23:32 14 loans? 15:23:38 15 A. As far as I know, I remember, yes. 15:23:39 16 Q. Is the total figure of approximately 15:23:45 17 \\$21 million in litigation loans about correct, to 15:23:50 18 your recollection? 15:23:56 19 A. Approximately number -- yes. Correct. 15:23:57 20 Q. Okay. And approximately how much of that 15:24:02 21 21 million is in documented loans? 15:24:05 22 A. I don't have it on the top of my head. 15:24:08 23 MR. ROSEN: Can I ask, David, can you please 15:24:18 24 clarify. 15:24:21 25 When you say documented loans, what 15:24:22 Page 187\n\n\n\n| 1 | specifically do you mean by documented? | 15:24:25 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. HARBACH:
Sure. | 15:24:28 |\n| 3 | What I mean is that the witness has | 15:24:30 |\n| 4 | indicated earlier in her testimony that some of the | 15:24:34 |\n| 5 | loans were in writing and that there were loan | 15:24:38 |\n| 6 | agreements; so that is how I interpreted her answer. | 15:24:44 |\n| 7 | And I -- and I gather that some of them were and some | 15:24:47 |\n| 8 | of them weren't.
And so when I say documented loans, | 15:24:50 |\n| 9 | I mean the loans for which there is a written loan | 15:24:54 |\n| 10 | agreement that she signed and that the borrower | 15:24:58 |\n| 11 | signed. | 15:25:03 |\n| 12 | Does that help? | 15:25:05 |\n| 13 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes. | 15:25:06 |\n| 14 | Thank you. | 15:25:08 |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 15:25:09 |\n| 16 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:25:10 |\n| 17 | Q.
So Ms. Wang, does that change -- that | 15:25:10 |\n| 18 | doesn't change any of your answers, I assume. | 15:25:13 |\n| 19 | Did you understand what I meant? | 15:25:15 |\n| 20 | A.
I replied my question.
That is the best of | 15:25:17 |\n| 21 | my knowledge for this second. | 15:25:22 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
So just to make -- just to -- to | 15:25:24 |\n| 23 | recap and make sure I understand. | 15:25:27 |\n| 24 | There is approximately \\$21 million in | 15:25:31 |\n| 25 | litigation loans that have been made by Golden Spring | 15:25:35 |\n| | | Page 188 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | (New York) to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; correct? | 15:25:39 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
Correct. | 15:25:41 |\n| 3 | Q.
And some of those loans are -- are | 15:25:47 |\n| 4 | documented, by which I mean there is a written loan | 15:25:50 |\n| 5 | agreement; correct? | 15:25:55 |\n| 6 | A.
Correct. | 15:25:57 |\n| 7 | Besides that, we do have notes, like, on our | 15:25:59 |\n| 8 | financial book that recorded as a loan also. | 15:26:06 |\n| 9 | Q.
Okay.
And then some of those loans do not | 15:26:08 |\n| 10 | have a -- a loan agreement in writing; correct? | 15:26:11 |\n| 11 | A.
But in our financial records it is | 15:26:16 |\n| 12 | documented as a loan; correct. | 15:26:20 |\n| 13 | Q.
I understand.
I understand. | 15:26:22 |\n| 14 | But my point is for those, there is not | 15:26:24 |\n| 15 | a loan agreement that you signed and that | 15:26:28 |\n| 16 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok signed that contains an interest rate | 15:26:31 |\n| 17 | and formal terms; right? | 15:26:36 |\n| 18 | A.
Correct. | 15:26:40 |\n| 19 | There were some other loans between | 15:26:41 |\n| 20 | Mr. Qiang Guo and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok also. | 15:26:45 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay. | 15:26:47 |\n| 22 | A.
So financial notes was the loan agreement | 15:26:48 |\n| 23 | and then with our loan -- | 15:26:52 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay. | 15:26:55 |\n| 25 | A.
-- agreement. | 15:26:56 |\n| | | Page 189 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
And so for the ones -- not the ones that | 15:26:57 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | were oral, but the ones that are in writing, you said | 15:26:59 |\n| 3 | those documents are currently at the East 64th Street | 15:27:04 |\n| 4 | office; correct? | 15:27:12 |\n| 5 | A.
Correct. | 15:27:13 |\n| 6 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
So Scott, it is those | 15:27:15 |\n| 7 | documents that we are requesting. | 15:27:19 |\n| 8 | MR. ROSEN:
I understand. | 15:27:20 |\n| 9 | Thank you. | 15:27:22 |\n| 10 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:27:22 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
Now, Ms. Wang, with respect to the | 15:27:23 |\n| 12 | oral loans, who recorded them? | 15:27:26 |\n| 13 | A.
What do you mean, who recorded them?
For | 15:27:31 |\n| 14 | Golden Spring? | 15:27:34 |\n| 15 | Q.
Yes, ma'am. | 15:27:34 |\n| 16 | I think you just mentioned a moment ago that | 15:27:35 |\n| 17 | even the loans that were not documented with a loan | 15:27:39 |\n| 18 | agreement were recorded on the books of Golden Spring | 15:27:41 |\n| 19 | (New York); right? | 15:27:46 |\n| 20 | A.
Correct. | 15:27:47 |\n| 21 | Q.
So I'm asking who recorded them on the | 15:27:47 |\n| 22 | books? | 15:27:50 |\n| 23 | A.
Golden Spring's finance. | 15:27:51 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
Was that at your direction? | 15:27:55 |\n| 25 | A.
Correct. | 15:27:59 |\n| | | Page 190 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
How did you learn about the terms of those | 15:28:00 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | oral loans? | 15:28:04 |\n| 3 | A.
I got to know from Mr. Qiang Guo also. | 15:28:07 |\n| 4 | Q.
Were you personally involved in negotiating | 15:28:10 |\n| 5 | any or -- or tendering any oral loans to | 15:28:16 |\n| 6 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 15:28:22 |\n| 7 | A.
I didn't attend the -- the conversation | 15:28:23 |\n| 8 | between Mr. Qiang Guo and his father, no.
I didn't. | 15:28:30 |\n| 9 | Q.
Has Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever asked you for | 15:28:33 |\n| 10 | a loan from Golden Spring? | 15:28:36 |\n| 11 | A.
I don't recall. | 15:28:38 |\n| 12 | Q.
Does that mean it is possible that he has? | 15:28:40 |\n| 13 | A.
I don't recall. | 15:28:49 |\n| 14 | Q.
With apologies if I asked you this question | 15:28:57 |\n| 15 | before.
I honestly don't remember. | 15:29:00 |\n| 16 | Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok | 15:29:02 |\n| 17 | about any of the litigation loans, whether oral or | 15:29:06 |\n| 18 | written? | 15:29:11 |\n| 19 | A.
I don't recall. | 15:29:12 |\n| 20 | Q.
Were you personally involved in helping | 15:29:13 |\n| 21 | Mr. Kwok fill out his bankruptcy schedules and his | 15:29:33 |\n| 22 | statement of financial affairs? | 15:29:38 |\n| 23 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection.
The witness is not | 15:29:41 |\n| 24 | here to testify in her personal capacity.
I would | 15:29:44 |\n| 25 | ask you to rephrase the question. | 15:29:48 |\n| | | Page 191 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. HARBACH:
Sure. | 15:29:50 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:29:51 |\n| 3 | Q.
Was Golden Spring (New York) Limited | 15:29:52 |\n| 4 | involved in assisting Mr. Kwok in filling out his | 15:29:54 |\n| 5 | bankruptcy schedules or his statement of financial | 15:29:58 |\n| 6 | affairs? | 15:30:01 |\n| 7 | A.
No. | 15:30:03 |\n| 8 | Q.
What about Mr. Kwok's monthly operating | 15:30:04 |\n| 9 | reports?
Do you know what those are? | 15:30:14 |\n| 10 | A.
Yes. | 15:30:17 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
Was anyone at Golden Spring | 15:30:20 |\n| 12 | (New York) involved in helping prepare | 15:30:24 |\n| 13 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's monthly operating reports? | 15:30:28 |\n| 14 | A.
We were requested to pull out his lifestyle | 15:30:31 |\n| 15 | expenses.
That is, I directed Golden Spring to help. | 15:30:40 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
Who made the request to you? | 15:30:47 |\n| 17 | A.
I couldn't remember.
Probably his attorney. | 15:30:49 |\n| 18 | I couldn't remember. | 15:30:57 |\n| 19 | Q.
Okay.
And if I understand you correctly, | 15:30:58 |\n| 20 | you directed one of your employees to assist? | 15:31:00 |\n| 21 | A.
Correct. | 15:31:06 |\n| 22 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
And I'll just note for | 15:31:07 |\n| 23 | the record, Scott, that I won't ask who that person | 15:31:09 |\n| 24 | is because I understand that you will object on the | 15:31:17 |\n| 25 | same basis as before.
And I'll just note that we | 15:31:20 |\n| | | Page 192 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | continue to disagree with that objection. | 15:31:24 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | Is that okay? | 15:31:26 |\n| 3 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes. | 15:31:27 |\n| 4 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:31:35 |\n| 5 | Q.
Do you know what the firm Verdolino & Lowey | 15:31:35 |\n| 6 | is? | 15:31:42 |\n| 7 | A.
Verdolino Lowey. | 15:31:43 |\n| 8 | Q.
Have you ever heard of them? | 15:31:45 |\n| 9 | A.
No. | 15:31:48 |\n| 10 | I don't recall. | 15:31:53 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
Do you know who Craig Jalbert is? | 15:31:53 |\n| 12 | A.
I don't know this name. | 15:31:59 |\n| 13 | Q.
Okay. | 15:31:59 |\n| 14 | A.
Craig Jalbert. | 15:32:02 |\n| 15 | Q.
This may seem obvious from your earlier | 15:32:03 |\n| 16 | answer, but please bear with me. | 15:32:15 |\n| 17 | Leaving aside the person's name, is it true | 15:32:18 |\n| 18 | that there are personnel at Golden Spring (New York) | 15:32:26 |\n| 19 | Limited who could assist in compiling and calculating | 15:32:31 |\n| 20 | the lifestyle expenses of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 15:32:40 |\n| 21 | A.
Yes. | 15:32:48 |\n| 22 | Q.
Focusing now just for a moment on those | 15:32:49 |\n| 23 | lifestyle expenses. | 15:33:07 |\n| 24 | Okay? | 15:33:10 |\n| 25 | A.
Yes. | 15:33:12 |\n| | | Page 193 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Has -- has Mr. Kwok ever made any requests | 15:33:12 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | to you to have Golden Spring (New York) pay for | 15:33:21 |\n| 3 | expenses related to his lifestyle? | 15:33:28 |\n| 4 | Excuse me. | 15:33:31 |\n| 5 | A.
I don't recall, but it is possible. | 15:33:33 |\n| 6 | Q.
Okay.
What I'm asking about is, you know, | 15:33:39 |\n| 7 | hey, Yvette, I need Golden Spring to pay for me to | 15:33:46 |\n| 8 | drive to Manhattan or I need Golden Spring to pay for | 15:33:52 |\n| 9 | this suit that I need for my trip to court -- things | 15:33:57 |\n| 10 | like that. | 15:34:02 |\n| 11 | Does he make requests to you like that? | 15:34:03 |\n| 12 | A.
I don't recall.
But there was some requests | 15:34:06 |\n| 13 | that he made -- he made to me, like, as before, like, | 15:34:15 |\n| 14 | buy some very expensive, like, furniture, I believe. | 15:34:19 |\n| 15 | And I -- obviously, it is more than his lifestyle. | 15:34:22 |\n| 16 | I report it to Mr. Qiang Guo, and Mr. Qiang Guo | 15:34:26 |\n| 17 | reject it -- | 15:34:29 |\n| 18 | Q.
Okay. | 15:34:29 |\n| 19 | A.
-- so I reject it to him also. | 15:34:30 |\n| 20 | Q.
Right. | 15:34:32 |\n| 21 | A.
Yeah. | 15:34:34 |\n| 22 | Q.
I'm asking about, you know, day-to-day | 15:34:34 |\n| 23 | stuff, like the -- however -- you know, I don't mind | 15:34:37 |\n| 24 | telling you it has been a real mystery to all of us | 15:34:43 |\n| 25 | creditors and, I think, to the U.S. Trustee how | 15:34:48 |\n| | | Page 194 |\n\nVeritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127\n\n\n\n| 1 | Mr. Kwok pays for things.
We really have had | 15:34:52 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | a difficult time figuring out how that happens.
And | 15:34:55 |\n| 3 | so I am hoping that you can help me understand | 15:34:58 |\n| 4 | a little bit because, according to him, Golden Spring | 15:35:01 |\n| 5 | (New York) Limited pays for all this stuff.
And | 15:35:04 |\n| 6 | since you are the president and treasurer of | 15:35:07 |\n| 7 | Golden Spring (New York) Limited, I'm hoping you can | 15:35:09 |\n| 8 | help us understand. | 15:35:14 |\n| 9 | So I know we talked earlier about your | 15:35:15 |\n| 10 | review of credit card bills and -- and so forth, but | 15:35:17 |\n| 11 | for something like that, say Mr. -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok | 15:35:21 |\n| 12 | needs to take a trip into Manhattan for some reason | 15:35:26 |\n| 13 | and he needs a car. | 15:35:30 |\n| 14 | Does he come to you?
I mean, you say you | 15:35:33 |\n| 15 | run the day-to-day operations of Golden Spring. | 15:35:36 |\n| 16 | Does he come to you or -- or send you | 15:35:40 |\n| 17 | a message and say, hey, I need a car set up?
I mean, | 15:35:42 |\n| 18 | how does that work? | 15:35:46 |\n| 19 | A.
Okay.
So to reply to this specific | 15:35:48 |\n| 20 | question, as the president of a company, I mean, | 15:35:50 |\n| 21 | I already don't deal with this kind of very small | 15:35:53 |\n| 22 | request from him; so Golden Spring does have | 15:35:57 |\n| 23 | a security which, as you understood probably, sir, | 15:36:01 |\n| 24 | like as per Mr. Qiang, was a regiment because | 15:36:06 |\n| 25 | Mr. Qiang would -- does care the most is the life | 15:36:13 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | safety of his father; so the communication that | 15:36:17 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | happens between Ho Wan Kwok and the security to | 15:36:21 |\n| 3 | arrange the trip to Manhattan; so that one I don't | 15:36:22 |\n| 4 | need to get involved because it is too small for me. | 15:36:26 |\n| 5 | Q.
Okay.
And then what about other day-to-day | 15:36:30 |\n| 6 | lifestyle needs, like in a recent proceeding the -- | 15:36:34 |\n| 7 | the U.S. Trustee asked about what if he needed to buy | 15:36:42 |\n| 8 | a pair of shoes? | 15:36:47 |\n| 9 | Just walk us through how that happens. | 15:36:49 |\n| 10 | A.
I don't even -- I mean, yes.
I review some | 15:36:52 |\n| 11 | of the credit card bill or the bills, but I do have | 15:36:56 |\n| 12 | my finance.
I mean, I don't need to do finance job. | 15:37:00 |\n| 13 | I don't even remember to see very often he buys | 15:37:04 |\n| 14 | shoes.
I mean -- | 15:37:09 |\n| 15 | Q.
Does he buy anything? | 15:37:12 |\n| 16 | A.
Yes. | 15:37:14 |\n| 17 | He buy -- he buy clothes, yes. | 15:37:16 |\n| 18 | Q.
Okay.
So how does he buy clothes? | 15:37:20 |\n| 19 | A.
He buy clothes from the shops, I believe. | 15:37:23 |\n| 20 | Q.
Okay.
Does he physically go to the shops or | 15:37:28 |\n| 21 | does he shop online? | 15:37:32 |\n| 22 | MR. HARBACH:
Scott, I promise I am just | 15:37:34 |\n| 23 | trying to understand.
I don't -- I won't dwell here | 15:37:37 |\n| 24 | unnecessarily. | 15:37:39 |\n| 25 | /// | |\n| | | Page 196 |\n\n1 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:37:40 2 Q. Go ahead, Ms. Wang. 15:37:41 3 A. I don't get involves in his personal life; 15:37:43 4 so I cannot say. 15:37:47 5 Q. So you don't -- you don't know whether he 15:37:48 6 likes to go in the stores to shop or he shops online? 15:37:51 7 A. I do see bills from the shops, which 15:37:57 8 I verify. I have the finance verify that it was his 15:38:03 9 purchase. 15:38:08 10 Q. Okay. 15:38:08 11 A. We take care of that; so I don't need to 15:38:09 12 follow him -- 15:38:13 13 Q. All right. 15:38:13 14 A. -- where he goes; right? 15:38:14 15 So I don't know -- 15:38:14 16 Q. No. 15:38:17 17 I -- I know that. I'm not suggesting you 15:38:17 18 follow him. 15:38:19 19 What I'm really just trying to understand is 15:38:20 20 how does the transaction happen? Mr. Kwok walks into 15:38:23 21 Saks Fifth Avenue and sees a suit he wants to buy. 15:38:29 22 Let's just pretend that's what happens. 15:38:35 23 Okay? 15:38:37 24 And he is in there, and he says, I like that 15:38:38 25 suit. And he tries it on, and it looks good, and so 15:38:41\n\n1 he wants to buy it. 15:38:45\n\n2 What happens next? How does it get from 15:38:47\n\n3 there to being on a bill that you see? 15:38:49\n\nof 280\n\n4 A. Oh, that doesn't happen often at all. That 15:38:54\n\n| 5 | is number one.
And that did happen before.
Like, | 15:38:58 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 6 | sometimes I can see from the securities credit | 15:39:03 |\n| 7 | card -- debit card -- let me correct -- to see that | 15:39:07 |\n| 8 | purchase.
And then, obviously, my finance will dive | 15:39:10 |\n| 9 | in and verify and confirm that he has purchased.
But | 15:39:14 |\n| 10 | that does not happen often at all. | 15:39:17 |\n| 11 | Q.
Okay.
Well, you did mention that he buys | 15:39:21 |\n| 12 | clothes; right? | 15:39:24 |\n| 13 | A.
Yes. | 15:39:27 |\n| 14 | Q.
Okay.
So you give me an example of how he | 15:39:28 |\n| 15 | will buy some clothes. | 15:39:34 |\n| 16 | If the Saks Fifth Avenue example doesn't | 15:39:36 |\n| 17 | happen very often, tell me what does happen. | 15:39:40 |\n| 18 | A.
He just doesn't buy clothes very often, not | 15:39:43 |\n| 19 | only the shoes at Saks Fifth Avenue. | 15:39:49 |\n| 20 | Q.
Does Mr. Kwok have a credit card? | 15:39:54 |\n| 21 | A.
As far as I know, he doesn't have.
At least | 15:40:07 |\n| 22 | Golden Spring never give him. | 15:40:12 |\n| 23 | Q.
Does he have a debit card? | 15:40:14 |\n| 24 | A.
Golden Spring didn't give him. | 15:40:17 |\n| 25 | Q.
How do the things that he does purchase end | 15:40:20 |\n| | | Page 198 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | up on a bill that you review?
Tell me how that | 15:40:25 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | happens. | 15:40:30 |\n| 3 | A.
For his clothes, I mean, I know, like, | 15:40:31 |\n| 4 | Mr. Qiang Guo, he has some shops in Manhattan.
When | 15:40:36 |\n| 5 | he is in Manhattan he -- he -- I mean, quite often | 15:40:43 |\n| 6 | shopping there, and sometimes I saw the bill from the | 15:40:49 |\n| 7 | shop, which I -- obviously finance will need to | 15:40:52 |\n| 8 | verify.
If not, Mr. Qiang Guo purchase.
But, like, | 15:40:55 |\n| 9 | his father has purchased.
That happened before; so | 15:40:59 |\n| 10 | like -- that is, like, in my understanding | 15:41:03 |\n| 11 | Mr. Qiang Guo took care of his father. | 15:41:06 |\n| 12 | Q.
So Mr. Qiang Guo will buy something for his | 15:41:08 |\n| 13 | dad, finance it. | 15:41:12 |\n| 14 | Golden Spring will verify that how?
By | 15:41:14 |\n| 15 | calling Mr. Qiang Guo and asking him? | 15:41:16 |\n| 16 | A.
Sometimes we do that, yes. | 15:41:19 |\n| 17 | Q.
Okay.
And when Mr. Qiang Guo is in the UK, | 15:41:21 |\n| 18 | as you have told me is where he lives, how does that | 15:41:27 |\n| 19 | change things?
How does Mr. -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok buy | 15:41:31 |\n| 20 | something while his son is in the UK? | 15:41:36 |\n| 21 | A.
What do you mean, change things?
I mean, | 15:41:39 |\n| 22 | the shops obviously know Mr. Qiang Guo, whether he is | 15:41:43 |\n| 23 | in New York or not; so the father came and then | 15:41:47 |\n| 24 | shopping there.
I mean, I don't know what is your | 15:41:52 |\n| 25 | question, sir. | 15:41:54 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Okay.
So I think you do know my question, | 15:41:55 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | and it is really not hard.
But it seems to be really | 15:42:02 |\n| 3 | hard to get an answer to it. | 15:42:06 |\n| 4 | How does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok purchase things, | 15:42:10 |\n| 5 | and how does what -- something that he wants to buy | 15:42:20 |\n| 6 | and buys end up on a bill for you to review?
And you | 15:42:23 |\n| 7 | have given me one example. | 15:42:27 |\n| 8 | You said there are times when Mr. Qiang Guo | 15:42:29 |\n| 9 | will purchase something, and it will then end up on | 15:42:31 |\n| 10 | a bill for you to review and verify; right? | 15:42:35 |\n| 11 | A.
No. | 15:42:42 |\n| 12 | That is not my answer.
You misunderstood | 15:42:42 |\n| 13 | me, sir. | 15:42:45 |\n| 14 | Q.
Okay.
Please explain. | 15:42:46 |\n| 15 | A.
I will use my translator since you have been | 15:42:49 |\n| 16 | misunderstanding me along the way, which I don't feel | 15:42:53 |\n| 17 | you get this.
Sorry. | 15:42:57 |\n| 18 | Like, can I have my interpreter -- | 15:43:01 |\n| 19 | Q.
Absolutely. | 15:43:04 |\n| 20 | A.
-- I mean, to help me. | 15:43:05 |\n| 21 | Q.
Absolutely. | 15:43:06 |\n| 22 | MR. HARBACH:
So for clarity of the record, | 15:43:07 |\n| 23 | Ms. Johnston, the question is I'm trying to | 15:43:09 |\n| 24 | understand how -- when Mr. Ho Wan Kwok wants to | 15:43:13 |\n| 25 | purchase something, how does it get -- from the | 15:43:16 |\n| | | Page 200 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | decision by Mr. Ho Wan Kwok to purchase something, | 15:43:20 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | how does that end up on a bill that Ms. Wang sees? | 15:43:25 |\n| 3 | THE INTERPRETER:
(Question interpreted.) | 15:43:29 |\n| 4 | THE WITNESS:
(Through the Interpreter) | 15:43:29 |\n| 5 | Okay.
First of all, when I say when I review bills, | 15:44:38 |\n| 6 | those were only in respect to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's | 15:44:44 |\n| 7 | purchase for clothing and shoes.
And Mr. Qiang Guo | 15:44:47 |\n| 8 | has certain shops he goes to on a regular basis; so | 15:44:51 |\n| 9 | if his father were to shop there, then the shop would | 15:44:57 |\n| 10 | know to send the bill to New York Golden Spring; so | 15:45:02 |\n| 11 | in other words his father's purchase was under | 15:45:10 |\n| 12 | Mr. Qiang Guo's profile. | 15:45:14 |\n| 13 | I don't think maybe you understood what | 15:45:16 |\n| 14 | I meant.
That is why I wanted the interpreter to | 15:45:18 |\n| 15 | interpret for me. | 15:45:21 |\n| 16 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:45:23 |\n| 17 | Q.
Thank you very much. | 15:45:23 |\n| 18 | And I do understand that example. | 15:45:26 |\n| 19 | What about for groceries? | 15:45:28 |\n| 20 | A.
(In English)
Groceries, I mean, he lives in | 15:45:33 |\n| 21 | his wife's house; so if there is any grocery needed | 15:45:41 |\n| 22 | to be purchased, it is for both of them; so what | 15:45:45 |\n| 23 | Golden Spring was requested to pull out, like, | 15:45:51 |\n| 24 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, his grocery purchase from his wife, | 15:45:58 |\n| 25 | like a general purchase; so I mean, the husband, the | 15:46:03 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | wife live together.
He is living in his wife's | 15:46:08 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | house.
It doesn't make sense, like, he buy his own | 15:46:11 |\n| 3 | stuff, separate account. | 15:46:14 |\n| 4 | Q.
I understand that. | 15:46:15 |\n| 5 | I'm just asking how the groceries are paid | 15:46:16 |\n| 6 | for. | 15:46:19 |\n| 7 | A.
It paid by Golden Spring also. | 15:46:21 |\n| 8 | Q.
Same question as before. | 15:46:26 |\n| 9 | Do they just go to a grocery store and the | 15:46:29 |\n| 10 | grocery store sends the bill to Golden Spring?
Or do | 15:46:34 |\n| 11 | they buy their groceries online?
How does that work? | 15:46:38 |\n| 12 | A.
Grocery, most of them go with the debit | 15:46:42 |\n| 13 | card. | 15:46:46 |\n| 14 | Q.
Okay. | 15:46:46 |\n| 15 | A.
And buy -- | 15:46:47 |\n| 16 | Q.
So | 15:46:50 |\n| 17 | A.
And buy online also, yes. | 15:46:52 |\n| 18 | Q.
Okay.
And so even if the purchase is | 15:46:53 |\n| 19 | online, some sort of card, like if it is a debit card | 15:46:56 |\n| 20 | or a credit card, needs to be used; right? | 15:47:03 |\n| 21 | A.
Correct. | 15:47:07 |\n| 22 | Q.
Okay.
Who uses that card? | 15:47:08 |\n| 23 | A.
Who use that card? | 15:47:10 |\n| 24 | They -- people.
I mean, his wife use it | 15:47:16 |\n| 25 | also. | 15:47:20 |\n| | | Page 202 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Q.
Does he ever use the -- | 15:47:20 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | A.
I mean -- | 15:47:23 |\n| 3 | Q.
Does he ever use the card? | 15:47:24 |\n| 4 | A.
I don't think so.
He doesn't read English | 15:47:26 |\n| 5 | at all, so | 15:47:30 |\n| 6 | Q.
I mean, well, I don't know that you need to | 15:47:31 |\n| 7 | read English to use a credit card or a debit card. | 15:47:33 |\n| 8 | Does he ever use the card to make purchases | 15:47:37 |\n| 9 | himself? | 15:47:42 |\n| 10 | A.
Which time period you are asking about and | 15:47:42 |\n| 11 | by what kind of purchase methods? | 15:47:44 |\n| 12 | Q.
You -- | 15:47:44 |\n| 13 | A.
If you are asking about online, he doesn't | 15:47:47 |\n| 14 | read English. | 15:47:50 |\n| 15 | I mean, you have to be able to read English | 15:47:51 |\n| 16 | to shopping online; right? | 15:47:53 |\n| 17 | Q.
Does that -- | 15:47:53 |\n| 18 | A.
So with that, I can confirm he doesn't. | 15:47:54 |\n| 19 | Q.
Were -- well, number one, I'm pretty sure | 15:47:55 |\n| 20 | there are Websites in Chinese. | 15:48:00 |\n| 21 | And, number two, let's just stick with the | 15:48:03 |\n| 22 | grocery example. | 15:48:06 |\n| 23 | Does he ever use the credit card or the | 15:48:11 |\n| 24 | debit card to buy groceries? | 15:48:15 |\n| 25 | MR. ROSEN:
Objection. | 15:48:19 |\n| | | Page 203 |\n\n1 THE WITNESS: I don't know. 15:48:20\n\n2 MR. ROSEN: She testified numerous times 15:48:25\n\n3 that he is not authorized as a user of the card, and 15:48:27\n\n4 she has answered this question numerous times. 15:48:30\n\n5 MR. HARBACH: I don't believe she said -- it 15:48:32\n\n6 wasn't a question of whether he was an authorized 15:48:32\n\n7 user. I believe she said that he never used it. 15:48:35\n\n8 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:48:38\n\n9 Q. Does his wife use it? 15:48:38\n\n| of 280 |\n|--------|\n| |\n\n| 10 | A.
Use what? | 15:48:40 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 11 | Q.
The debit card or the credit card to buy | 15:48:42 |\n| 12 | groceries? | 15:48:47 |\n| 13 | A.
It is possible. | 15:48:48 |\n| | | |\n\n| 13 | A.
It is possible. | 15:48:48 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 14 | Q.
Do you know one way or the other? | 15:48:51 |\n| 15 | A.
I mean, I don't live in their home; right? | 15:48:59 |\n| 16 | Who is buying groceries?
From my end, I can't see, | 15:49:03 |\n| 17 | like, an Amazon purchase or, like, a Whole Foods | 15:49:09 |\n| 18 | purchase.
Who uses those cards?
I need to find out. | 15:49:11 |\n| 19 | Q.
Okay.
So it sounds like, from what you just | 15:49:14 |\n| | | |\n\n said, it could have been Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife or it 15:49:19 could have been Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, couldn't it? 15:49:23 22 A. I'm not giving you an answer in here because 15:49:26 I don't know. 15:49:32 24 Q. That is what I'm getting at. You don't 15:49:32 know. 15:49:35\n\nof 280\n\n\n\n| 1 | From what you are looking at on the bill, | 15:49:36 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | you don't know who used the card, do you?
Do you? | 15:49:38 |\n| 3 | A.
You are talking about grocery? | 15:49:47 |\n| 4 | Q.
I'm talking about the examples you just | 15:49:49 |\n| 5 | gave, Whole Foods or whatever else. | 15:49:51 |\n| 6 | When you see that on the bill, you just said | 15:49:53 |\n| 7 | you don't know who uses the card; correct? | 15:49:56 |\n| 8 | A.
The family uses the card.
I do know.
The | 15:50:00 |\n| 9 | family uses the card. | 15:50:04 |\n| 10 | Q.
Sure.
Sure. | 15:50:06 |\n| 11 | And Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is a member of the | 15:50:07 |\n| 12 | family, isn't he? | 15:50:10 |\n| 13 | A.
Correct. | 15:50:12 |\n| 14 | But he does not read English at all. | 15:50:13 |\n| 15 | Q.
Okay.
Does his wife? | 15:50:16 |\n| 16 | A.
His wife what? | 15:50:18 |\n| 17 | Q.
Does his wife read English? | 15:50:21 |\n| 18 | A.
I don't believe so. | 15:50:24 |\n| 19 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
Give me just thirty | 15:50:29 |\n| 20 | seconds, please. | 15:50:32 |\n| 21 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:53:11 |\n| 22 | Q.
Thank you for your patience.
Hopefully | 15:53:12 |\n| 23 | I saved us a little time by taking that break.
A few | 15:53:14 |\n| 24 | cleanup questions, and I think we are finished. | 15:53:19 |\n| 25 | What is your understanding of how | 15:53:22 |\n| | | Page 205 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is going to repay the \\$21 million in | 15:53:24 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | litigation loans? | 15:53:28 |\n| 3 | A.
I don't have understanding.
I mean, he need | 15:53:30 |\n| 4 | to pay back those loans if he win the case and then, | 15:53:38 |\n| 5 | I mean, I assume there will be some success, and then | 15:53:42 |\n| 6 | he should pay back the loan.
That is all my | 15:53:46 |\n| 7 | understanding. | 15:53:49 |\n| 8 | Q.
Is there a Golden Spring (New York) owned | 15:53:50 |\n| 9 | car that stays at Mr. and Ms. Kwok's residence? | 15:53:54 |\n| 10 | A.
I don't recall.
As I said, I am not a car | 15:54:06 |\n| 11 | person.
I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo will deal with the car | 15:54:09 |\n| 12 | at that part. | 15:54:13 |\n| 13 | Q.
Well, doesn't Golden Spring (New York) | 15:54:14 |\n| 14 | Limited pay for a chauffeur for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? | 15:54:17 |\n| 15 | A.
We pay the employees, yes. | 15:54:23 |\n| 16 | Q.
Okay.
And my question to you isn't about | 15:54:26 |\n| 17 | what kind of car it is. | 15:54:30 |\n| 18 | I'm just asking whether there is a car and | 15:54:32 |\n| 19 | a chauffeur that is available to Mr. Kwok whenever he | 15:54:35 |\n| 20 | needs it. | 15:54:39 |\n| 21 | A.
I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo would -- does rent | 15:54:44 |\n| 22 | a car for his father, and then Golden Spring pay the | 15:54:50 |\n| 23 | chauffeur.
That is what I can confirm. | 15:54:53 |\n| 24 | Q.
Okay.
Do you have personal knowledge of who | 15:54:58 |\n| 25 | owns the residence where they live? | 15:55:04 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | MR. HARBACH:
Don't worry, Scott. | 15:55:09 |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | I won't stay here long. | 15:55:11 |\n| 3 | THE WITNESS:
You are asking personal | 15:55:15 |\n| 4 | knowledge? | 15:55:18 |\n| 5 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:55:19 |\n| 6 | Q.
I'm asking if you know. | 15:55:19 |\n| 7 | MR. ROSEN:
If you know.
It calls for | 15:55:21 |\n| 8 | yes-or-no answer. | 15:55:26 |\n| 9 | THE WITNESS:
I don't have personal | 15:55:26 |\n| 10 | knowledge. | 15:55:28 |\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
I'm going to make | 15:55:29 |\n| 12 | a request, Scott, to supplement our earlier request | 15:55:30 |\n| 13 | for the loan documents. | 15:55:39 |\n| 14 | I'm also going to request that Golden Spring | 15:55:40 |\n| 15 | (New York) please promptly produce to us the | 15:55:43 |\n| 16 | notations in the books and records that the witness | 15:55:50 |\n| 17 | referred to as evidencing the oral loans for | 15:55:55 |\n| 18 | litigation. | 15:56:02 |\n| 19 | Do you understand what I'm talking about? | 15:56:04 |\n| 20 | MR. ROSEN:
I'm just taking notes right now. | 15:56:07 |\n| 21 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay. | 15:56:10 |\n| 22 | MR. ROSEN:
I believe I understand your | 15:56:13 |\n| 23 | question, and we will take that under advisement. | 15:56:15 |\n| 24 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
Those are -- just -- | 15:56:18 |\n| 25 | just one second, please. | 15:56:27 |\n| | | |\n\n\n\n| 1 | One -- one -- the famous one more question | 15:57:11 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | that we lawyers like to ask. | 15:57:14 |\n| 3 | BY MR. HARBACH: | 15:57:16 |\n| 4 | Q.
You have mentioned a couple of times that | 15:57:17 |\n| 5 | Golden Spring has enough money to carry on its daily | 15:57:19 |\n| 6 | operations. | 15:57:23 |\n| 7 | What is the operating budget for | 15:57:25 |\n| 8 | Golden Spring (New York) for those daily operations? | 15:57:29 |\n| 9 | The annual budget, say, approximately. | 15:57:34 |\n| 10 | A.
The annual is going to be anything | 15:57:42 |\n| 11 | between -- I mean, operating mean paying the lease, | 15:57:47 |\n| 12 | paying the employees and office supplies, furniture, | 15:57:54 |\n| 13 | everything. | 15:57:59 |\n| 14 | Q.
I'm asking, yeah, everything that you would | 15:57:59 |\n| 15 | lump under day-to-day operations, as you said | 15:58:02 |\n| 16 | earlier. | 15:58:06 |\n| 17 | A.
I'm answering your question, sir. | 15:58:07 |\n| 18 | It is anything and everything between annual | 15:58:10 |\n| 19 | lease between 2 to 3 million, at least -- at least | 15:58:13 |\n| 20 | the minimal. | 15:58:17 |\n| 21 | Q.
Okay.
All right.
Those are all my | 15:58:18 |\n| 22 | questions. | 15:58:21 |\n| 23 | MR. HARBACH:
I don't know if any of the | 15:58:23 |\n| 24 | other counsel who have endured this to this point | 15:58:24 |\n| 25 | want to ask any questions. | 15:58:28 |\n| | | Page 208 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
It doesn't sound like it. | 15:58:39 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | MR. HARBACH:
All right.
Well, Ms. Wang, | 15:58:42 |\n| 3 | thank you very much for your time and your patience | 15:58:44 |\n| 4 | with my questions today. | 15:58:48 |\n| 5 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER:
We are off the record at | 15:58:51 |\n| 6 | 3:58 p.m. | 15:58:53 |\n| 7 | And this concludes today's testimony given | 15:58:54 |\n| 8 | by Yvette Wang as a 30(b)(6) witness for | 15:58:57 |\n| 9 | Golden Spring (New York). | 15:59:00 |\n| 10 | The total number of media units used was one | 15:59:00 |\n| 11 | and will be retained by Veritext Legal Solutions. | 15:59:04 |\n| 12 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach, of | 16:03:38 |\n| 13 | O'Melveny & Myers, for Pacific Alliance. | 16:04:03 |\n| 14 | And I would like to supplement the | 16:04:06 |\n| 15 | deposition exhibits with one additional exhibit that | 16:04:10 |\n| 16 | will be called Exhibit 6. | 16:04:13 |\n| 17 | (Deposition Exhibit Number 6 | 16:04:13 |\n| 18 | was marked for identification.) | 16:04:16 |\n| 19 | MR. HARBACH:
And it is the notice of | 16:04:16 |\n| 20 | deposition for today's witness.
I have spoken to the | 16:04:21 |\n| 21 | deponent's counsel, Mr. Rosen, and he does not object | 16:04:25 |\n| 22 | to it being added as an exhibit. | 16:04:28 |\n| 23 | MR. ROSEN:
Can we put -- put it up on the | 16:04:32 |\n| 24 | screen? | 16:04:36 |\n| 25 | MR. HARBACH:
Yes.
Yes. | 16:04:37 |\n| | | Page 209 |\n\n\n\n| 1 | My colleague is working on that right now. | 16:04:39 |\n|----|----------------------------------------------|----------|\n| 2 | THE REPORTER:
Mr. Rosen, would you like | 16:05:30 |\n| 3 | a copy of the transcript? | 16:05:35 |\n| 4 | MR. ROSEN:
Yes. | 16:06:02 |\n| 5 | THE REPORTER:
And would you like a rough? | 16:06:09 |\n| 6 | MR. ROSEN:
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4:5 5:7
326-2293
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126:9
90:20 96:17 166:5
100
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331
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2
65:22
36
6:3 |\n| 182:6
10036
2:7,17
2
4:16 6:9 28:17
37
6:4 |\n| 2019
4:17 29:20
10:23:18
167:24
28:20 46:21 83:13
383-5127
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10:45
66:23
83:15 88:1 187:1
3:00
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10th
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4:14
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6:7 87:10
3:58
209:6 |\n| 2020
61:18 96:25
1100
3:6
2000
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148:23
113
22:17
20005
3:7 |\n| 4
4:23 55:9,10,19
2022
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11:00
67:2
20006
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7:7 48:16 211:15
11th
73:16 75:10
2008
30:14 31:19 |\n| 62:16,23 64:9
212:10 213:1
77:14 78:11 79:13
87:10 |\n| 67:5,19,21 87:16
214:3,5
12
1:18 7:2 212:10
2013
4:24 |\n| 91:5,6
2025.520
214:9,12
214:3,5
2015
5:7 18:12,13 |\n| 41
6:5
209
5:9
12210
3:6
22:7,7 23:22 24:5 |\n| 424-4379
3:12
209-4924
2:8
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6:7
24:11 25:23 29:14 |\n| 43
4:19
209-4950
2:8
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29:24 30:11,18 |\n| 493-2220
2:23
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12:00
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210:8
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5 |\n| 12th
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130
6:9
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5:3 6:10 146:11 |\n| 2016
19:3 21:7
212
2:8,8,18,18
13495
1:25 212:7
166:23 167:9,12 |\n| 24:4,5,5 25:1
22-50073
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146:16,17
2017
25:23 28:11 |\n\n**[514-2000 - announcement]**\n\n| 514-2000
3:7 | accept
109:5 | advised
87:9 | 152:1,4,6 168:2 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 5181285
214:5 | acceptable
11:16 | 134:22 148:3 | 171:11,12 172:15 |\n| 216:2 | 125:25 | 150:8 159:10 | 179:14 190:16 |\n| 55
4:23 | access
103:3,7,13 | 160:1 | agree
135:2,9 |\n| 6 | 104:6 | advisement | 137:3 178:21 |\n| 6
1:16 5:9,13 7:9 | account
124:25 | 111:20 182:12 | 181:14 183:24,24 |\n| 9:19 20:5,12 26:2 | 125:8,11,14,22 | 186:17 207:23 | agreement
137:16 |\n| 26:11 27:5 37:6 | 126:22 127:1 | affairs
191:22 | 144:18 145:10,17 |\n| 38:6 44:20 65:19 | 128:4,6 202:3 | 192:6 | 145:22 146:8,21 |\n| 209:8,16,17 | accounts
124:12 | affidavit
4:23 | 146:25 147:8 |\n| 64th
7:3 184:20 | 124:21 158:22 | 43:19 56:17 57:6 | 160:25 162:11 |\n| 185:3 190:3 | accurate
29:22 | 58:5 59:9,10,12,17 | 165:23 179:25 |\n| 65
6:6 | 31:4,5,5,11 51:4 | 60:10,12,14 61:13 | 181:13 188:10 |\n| | 76:1,4,13 | 61:25 62:5,8,16 | 189:5,10,15,22,25 |\n| 7 | acronym
132:12 | 63:10,11,13,21,24 | 190:18 |\n| 7
2:7,17 | action
212:22 | 64:1,13,21 65:5,9 | agreements |\n| 728-5831
2:18 | actions
127:2 | 65:25 66:9 67:5 | 186:12 188:6 |\n| 8 | activated
103:16 | 67:23 68:4,8 | ah
148:1 |\n| 8
142:23 143:2,11 | activity
128:24 | 87:16 91:11 92:21 | ahead
20:13 |\n| 143:21,24 144:3 | ad
168:15 | affidavits
58:25 | 107:15 197:2 |\n| | | | |\n| | added
209:22 | 60:20 61:5 64:24 | airport
35:24 |\n| 146:10 | additional
209:15 | affiliation
26:7 | aisling
2:15 |\n| 8004
213:3 | address
27:2 | affiliations
7:22 | akas
58:11 |\n| 808
166:21,22 | 71:14,18,20 | afraid
170:9 | alerted
157:21 |\n| 860
2:23 3:12 | 184:23 185:2,7,11 | afternoon
112:20 | align
136:6 181:12 |\n| 9 | addressed
170:17 | 181:11 | aligned
136:5 |\n| 9
6:6 | administrator | ago
12:10 15:24 | 137:8 165:23,23 |\n| 90
3:11 | 47:9 51:25 52:15 | 17:19 25:14 29:20 | 165:23 178:23,24 |\n| 9:15
7:2,6 | 54:21 55:2 58:8 | 30:3,20 36:6,6 | 181:18 |\n| a | 58:16,19 68:1,6,17 | 37:17 44:16 45:12 | alliance
2:11 5:9 |\n| a.m.
7:2,6 | 68:19,25,25 69:6 | 49:11 60:17 61:19 | 7:11,25 8:12,14 |\n| abided
165:2 | 69:11 87:18 88:12 | 62:22 64:22 65:8 | 9:20 174:22 175:7 |\n| abilities
9:2,12 | 88:16 89:13 90:16 | 65:17 79:24 80:8 | 209:13 |\n| ability
13:15 | 91:2,14 95:6,9 | 80:24 85:21 96:4 | amazon
204:17 |\n| able
10:23,23 31:9 | adopt
65:17 | 96:12,12,14 97:13 | amenable
112:9 |\n| 64:14 168:23 | advance
117:11 | 98:18 103:18 | american
47:15 |\n| 173:14 174:24 | advice
133:6 | 104:21 119:17 | 51:9,17 |\n| 175:8 203:15 | 182:21,21 | 120:11 121:13 | amurray
2:19 |\n| absolutely
84:19 | advise
138:7 143:4 | 132:8 135:16 | announcement |\n| 101:17,19 200:19 | 143:4 182:19 | 138:17,20 140:16 | 174:10 |\n| 200:21 | | 140:16,24 145:1,3 | |\n\n**[annual - assist]**\n\n| annual
168:18 | answering
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97:17 | 21:6 24:11 65:10 | 144:7 160:25 |\n| 12:14 13:15 16:12 | 188:18 | 73:20,25 113:16 | 164:25 169:8 |\n| 20:11 22:9,10 | anybody
164:22 | 127:6,16 129:13 | 177:22 178:11,17 |\n| 23:21 26:16 29:12 | anyway
94:13 | 130:3 152:4 177:7 | 180:11 182:4 |\n| 29:13 31:21 33:14 | 183:2 | 187:16,19,20 | 191:9,14 196:7 |\n| 33:15 35:9,16,17 | apart
156:1 | 188:24 208:9 | asking
27:3,4 31:4 |\n| 35:22 37:2,15 | apartment
72:14 | april
1:18 4:17 7:2 | 49:5,16,18 50:7,8 |\n| 38:4 42:8,10,16 | 72:21 | 7:7 29:14,23 | 60:10 61:4,8,11 |\n| 45:4 47:5,7,9,16 | apologies
76:17 | 30:11,18 31:3,7 | 63:1,12 64:17 |\n| 47:23 50:4 52:4 | 174:9 191:14 | 61:18 212:10 | 67:4 68:21 69:3,5 |\n| 52:19 54:24 55:4 | apologize
87:13 | 213:1 214:3,5 | 70:6 71:3 72:24 |\n| 61:6,9 63:17,19 | apparent
124:13 | architecture | 80:9 81:12 88:15 |\n| 64:8 66:2,5,6,15 | 136:4 | 118:11 | 98:8,21 102:20 |\n| 67:9,11,12,16 | apparently
168:9 | arethusa
147:14 | 107:4,5,7 110:14 |\n| 74:12,13,16,19,22 | 173:6 | argue
136:10,13 | 110:17,19 112:22 |\n| 74:25 76:23 77:11 | appear
48:5 | arguing
66:3 | 116:9 124:1,13,14 |\n| 77:12,19 78:6,9,9 | appearances
2:1 | arrange
141:17 | 127:16 132:10 |\n| 79:10,11,16 84:1,5 | 3:1 7:22 | 196:3 | 134:3 135:18 |\n| 84:25 88:19,20,24 | appearing
214:18 | arranged
114:15 | 138:18 143:20 |\n| 90:12 92:14 94:18 | 215:7 | 114:16,19 141:16 | 146:2 155:12 |\n| 95:19 97:15 99:2 | appointed
32:14 | 159:3,7,21 | 156:3 160:13 |\n| 116:4,15,20,22,23 | 34:9,12,20 38:22 | arrangement
37:5 | 168:1 169:20,22 |\n| 119:23 122:10,18 | 45:24 46:2,3,5 | 162:14 | 176:4 179:7,7,8,11 |\n| 126:24 129:9 | 49:4 50:23 97:4,8 | arranging
111:6 | 179:13 180:3,17 |\n| 130:11,25 132:10 | 97:12 122:19 | arrested
48:11 | 182:11,15,18,21 |\n| 132:14 133:8,9 | 166:3 173:4,7,16 | 84:6 | 190:21 194:6,22 |\n| 134:24 140:4 | 174:18 180:25 | arrived
143:11,21 | 199:15 202:5 |\n| 154:19 158:5 | 182:5 | 143:24 144:3 | 203:10,13 206:18 |\n| 159:20 160:15 | appreciate
67:14 | ascribe
86:19 | 207:3,6 208:14 |\n| 161:1 165:20 | 157:25 | asia
2:11 5:9 9:20 | asks
106:15 |\n| 170:11,22 175:10 | appropriate
41:25 | aside
44:10 127:5 | aspect
165:7 |\n| 182:1 183:22,25 | 44:22 157:24 | 128:4,6 175:2 | asset
130:14,22 |\n| 183:25 188:6 | approval
37:5 | 193:17 | assets
127:6,17 |\n| 193:16 200:3,12 | 107:19,23 | asked
21:8 22:5 | 128:6,23 129:4 |\n| 204:22 207:8 | approve
146:12 | 48:6 53:11 62:22 | assignment
46:9 |\n| answered
31:11 | approved
107:14 | 78:25 79:2,9 | 58:23 |\n| 62:12 184:8 204:4 | 159:2,6 177:25 | 82:10,15,19 87:17 | assist
89:16 92:18 |\n| | 178:2 180:7 | 88:21 95:8 105:4 | 192:20 193:19 |\n| | | | |\n\n## **[assistant - birnbaum]**\n\n| assistant
88:25 | authorize
104:13 | 123:10 126:7 | begins
47:5 74:10 |\n|----------------------|----------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|\n| 89:10,18 92:23 | authorized
104:16 | 149:17 170:14 | behalf
137:6 |\n| 93:2,9,14,19 95:1 | 164:19 168:14 | 174:6,20 186:23 | 166:14 |\n| 95:10 | 204:3,6 | 206:4,6 | beijing
86:14,16 |\n| assisted
15:25 | automobile
110:21 | background
26:7 | 86:24 |\n| 89:24 | automobiles | 47:13 155:2 | believe
13:22 |\n| assisting
192:4 | 111:19 | bakersfield
213:2 | 14:14 18:3 21:6 |\n| assume
101:12,13 | available
91:19 | balance
125:10,22 | 24:1,1,22 31:12 |\n| 101:14 109:9 | 92:2 146:5 206:19 | 126:21 127:19,22 | 32:12 35:13 42:23 |\n| 188:18 206:5 | avenue
197:21 | 127:24 174:23 | 69:20 80:1,25 |\n| assumed
46:12 | 198:16,19 | bank
124:12,18,21 | 81:16 90:7 94:20 |\n| 47:19 49:18 | avoid
184:22 | 124:25 125:7,8,14 | 97:4,8 99:1,23 |\n| 169:15 | 185:6 | 125:22 126:22 | 104:16,20 105:9 |\n| assumes
166:9 | avoids
71:22 | 127:1,5,21 128:4,6 | 113:12 114:2,20 |\n| attached
146:14 | aware
11:2 108:12 | 128:9,10 129:17 | 117:21 128:8 |\n| attend
191:7 | 108:14,14 156:10 | 129:20 158:22 | 141:14 143:14 |\n| attention
21:10 | 164:9 166:6 171:1 | 174:23 | 144:25 156:8,9 |\n| 84:4 145:19 | 177:9 178:4 | banking
175:6 | 157:4 163:5 |\n| 146:23 | b | bankruptcy
1:1 | 170:15 172:14,17 |\n| attorney
2:12,22 | b
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37:7 | bennett
2:5 8:9 |\n| 147:18,21 148:4 | 212:5 213:4 215:1 | base
24:6 | best
9:1,11 12:4 |\n| 170:15,19,24 | back
19:3 23:1,2 | based
148:5 | 51:6 60:1,1 62:9 |\n| 171:16 172:3 | 23:21 30:5 31:9 | 161:24 165:22 | 64:2 188:20 |\n| 192:17 | 32:3,20 36:12 | basic
26:6,8 | better
30:2 76:16 |\n| attorney's
134:11 | 37:23 44:11 46:18 | basics
99:10 | 76:18 103:19,20 |\n| 170:16 171:18 | 48:7,13 49:10 | basis
85:20 130:21 | beyond
27:1 |\n| attorneys
2:6,16 | 50:21 51:2 56:8 | 151:2,15,16 | bill
100:2,21 |\n| 15:15 17:15,22 | 57:4,25 61:17 | 156:23 192:25 | 101:25 196:11 |\n| 58:18 139:9,9 | 62:8,19 63:24 | 201:8 | 198:3 199:1,6 |\n| 141:15 145:7 | 64:2,17 66:25 | bear
193:16 | 200:6,10 201:2,10 |\n| 146:4 | 71:3 73:10 75:12 | bearing
91:1 | 202:10 205:1,6 |\n| audit
102:11 | 75:25 78:14,21 | began
23:19 24:14 | bills
99:16,19,21 |\n| aulet
2:5 8:7,7 | 79:3,16 80:9,13 | 69:1 | 100:7 101:22 |\n| authority
165:14 | 86:4 87:10,14,21 | beginning
28:11 | 195:10 196:11 |\n| 168:20 180:4 | 88:2 90:1,20 91:4 | 28:12 69:7 87:6 | 197:7 201:5 |\n| authorization | 101:15 107:16 | 117:19 179:24 | birnbaum
2:21 |\n| 165:24 | 111:16 112:16 | | 8:2 |\n| | | | |\n\n**[bit - cbshealaw.com]**\n\n| bit
30:25 37:8 | brown
2:4 8:7,10 | calculate
70:4 | 198:23 202:13,19 |\n|-----------------------|---------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 46:25 162:14 | 18:6 | calculating
193:19 | 202:19,20,22,23 |\n| 195:4 | brownrudnick.c | calculation
70:7 | 203:3,7,7,8,23,24 |\n| blamed
86:3 | 2:9,9 | california
10:5 | 204:3,11,11 205:2 |\n| blower
117:18 | bsilverberg
2:9 | 211:1,15 212:1,6 | 205:7,8,9 |\n| book
34:2 189:8 | budget
208:7,9 | 213:2 | cards
102:16,22 |\n| books
190:18,22 | build
118:21 | call
16:6,20 28:15 | 102:23 103:1 |\n| 207:16 | 174:19 | 43:3 95:25 102:8 | 204:18 |\n| borrowed
177:17 | building
171:5 | called
8:24 9:9,19 | care
96:1,4 98:16 |\n| borrower
177:19 | business
24:24 | 14:18 39:5 86:13 | 98:25 99:5,6 |\n| 185:23,24,25 | 48:9 74:24 79:8 | 89:17 93:19 | 100:11,16 138:5 |\n| 187:6 188:10 | 79:15 80:5,11,12 | 112:23 114:20 | 139:2 141:17 |\n| boss
30:7 78:17,22 | 80:15,18 81:20 | 209:16 | 143:5 148:4,6,11 |\n| 78:24,25 81:2,6 | 97:15 114:7,9,10 | calling
76:11 77:9 | 148:16 154:11,14 |\n| 86:16,18,20,21 | 114:11 115:15,19 | 199:15 | 159:11 160:1,5,10 |\n| bottom
47:4 | 115:20 116:4 | calls
52:2 155:18 | 160:13,18 161:2 |\n| 167:19,22 | 117:11,16,19 | 207:7 | 161:13,19,23,24 |\n| brain
63:7 | 118:1 119:9 | candidate
154:13 | 162:4,17,22 180:9 |\n| branded
174:22 | 120:18 121:18 | candidates
152:16 | 181:23,23 195:25 |\n| bravo
114:20,24 | 122:5 168:14 | cantonese
54:11 | 197:11 199:11 |\n| 115:4,11 | 175:17,19 183:17 | cap
177:21 | career
31:18 |\n| break
66:17 67:4 | buy
106:3,15,19 | capability
154:18 | 164:18 |\n| 111:24 112:3,4 | 107:9,9,15,24 | capacity
51:23 | careful
185:8 |\n| 126:17,20 167:3 | 108:5 143:7 183:1 | 52:13 54:19 58:7 | carried
168:14 |\n| 173:21 174:1 | 194:14 196:7,15 | 60:1 90:8,10,17,23 | carry
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109:22,25 |\n| bridgeport
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138:19 | 200:5 202:2,11,15 | 178:21 191:24 | case
1:7 7:13 11:8 |\n| 142:18 | 202:17 203:24 | captioned
167:15 | 14:18,20,22 37:6 |\n| briefed
138:1,10 | 204:11 | car
108:20 110:3 | 90:15 101:10 |\n| 138:13,16,21,24 | buying
204:16 | 111:4 195:13,17 | 129:16 130:20 |\n| 161:18 | buys
196:13 | 206:9,10,11,17,18 | 142:22 206:4 |\n| briefing
149:16 | 198:11 200:6 | 206:22 | cash
127:10,12,13 |\n| briefly
144:19,23 | bylaws
163:22,25 | card
99:21 100:5 | 127:14 |\n| bring
182:20 | 164:1,5,11,15 | 101:22,25 102:14 | catch
173:18 |\n| broad
165:6 | 165:1,3,7,14,17 | 102:17,24 103:4,7 | category
123:15 |\n| broken
86:3 | c | 103:14 104:6,10 | 176:22 |\n| brothers
84:10 | c'mon
153:15 | 104:15,22,25 | cater
92:10 |\n| brought
86:10 | ca
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214:9,12 | 155:2,2 | close
173:25 | 99:3 150:22,25 |\n|------------------------|------------------------|----------------------|----------------------|\n| certain
201:8 | checked
127:24 | closer
36:8 152:3 | 151:11,15,17 |\n| certainly
41:24 | china
18:18,20 | clothes
95:25 | 187:10 |\n| 80:17 129:3 | 24:25 25:25 30:3 | 99:20 100:18 | communicated |\n| 164:25 | 31:8,20 114:8 | 101:5,6,9 196:17 | 17:3,11,15 151:2 |\n| certificate
5:5,6 | chinese
47:11 | 196:18,19 198:12 | 164:20 |\n| 166:14 167:16 | 49:24 54:4 84:7 | 198:15,18 199:3 | communicating |\n| 168:4,19 173:8 | 203:20 | clothing
99:9,18 | 17:6 |\n| 212:7 | choice
47:10 | 100:24 101:4,11 | communication |\n| certification
10:6 | city
31:22 71:13 | 101:13 107:22 | 154:17 196:1 |\n| certified
10:4,5,11 | 71:19,20 72:1 | 201:7 | communications |\n| 212:5 | 184:25 | code
214:9,12,19 | 16:8 |\n| certify
211:4 | civil
5:14 214:19 | 214:20 | communist
47:11 |\n| 212:7,20 | 214:20 | coffee
82:6,10,12 | 84:7 |\n| cetera
68:12 | claiborn
3:5 8:15 | 82:15,20 106:19 | companies
27:5 |\n| challenged
170:7 | 8:15 | 107:12 141:18 | company
26:8 |\n| change
163:20 | claim
77:22 | cohn
2:21 8:2 | 45:9 46:7,10 |\n| 188:17,18 199:19 | claimed
78:23 | colleague
18:1 | 47:12 79:21 86:13 |\n| 199:21 216:4,7,10 | clarified
100:17 | 19:10 47:12 71:10 | 86:13 92:17 |\n| 216:13,16,19 | clarify
90:3,10 | 210:1 | 101:16 103:13 |\n| changes
211:7,10 | 120:4 182:2 | come
25:12,15 | 114:4,5,7,19 |\n| changing
127:19 | 187:24 | 27:20 28:4 44:11 | 117:15 118:19,24 |\n| charge
80:12 | clarity
151:6 | 122:21 129:2 | 119:4,12 124:9 |\n| 101:11,12 102:1,3 | 200:22 | 148:7 159:9 | 128:14 136:5 |\n| 102:9 | cleanup
174:13 | 161:21 162:6 | 137:7 152:11 |\n| charter
166:7 | 205:24 | 163:11 167:8 | 153:9 155:3,8 |\n| 167:17 168:15,16 | clear
53:15,16 | 176:2,3,6,8,9 | 160:17 163:22 |\n| 169:3,18,24 | 62:15 75:7 87:15 | 195:14,16 | 164:2,17 165:1,2 |\n| 171:14 172:22 | 95:11,11 121:22 | comes
27:3 180:10 | 169:16,18 181:19 |\n| 173:1,13 | 151:5 161:1 | comfortable
11:4 | 195:20 |\n| charters
170:20 | 183:25 | 153:2 | company's
166:6 |\n| chat
141:8,8,10 | clearly
11:1 34:2 | coming
87:21 | competency
26:10 |\n| 142:19 161:18 | 85:25 97:5 101:16 | 152:19 153:10 | 44:24 |\n| chauffeur
34:24 | 186:25 187:1 | 159:16 160:2,6,14 | compiling
193:19 |\n| 35:10,19 36:1,23 | client
120:2,8,9,11 | 162:11 | complete
168:18 |\n| 37:21 206:14,19 | 120:15,20 121:3,7 | comley
3:10 8:5 | 172:24 174:24 |\n| 206:23 | 121:8,15 122:22 | comma
88:24 | 175:8 |\n| check
3:18 9:6,14 | 122:23 126:1 | committee
3:10 | completed
214:7 |\n| 10:7,9,9 34:1 | clients
119:5,9,18 | 8:5 | 214:17 215:6 |\n| 52:21,21 53:1,6,17 | 120:18 121:19 | communicate
17:1 | completion
215:10 |\n| 127:21 131:13,13 | | 69:17 70:15,19,21 | |\n| | | | |\n\n**[complicated - court]**\n\n| complicated
17:24 | console
129:18 | 31:21,22 33:17,23 | 16:14 19:21 20:3 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|\n| complies
21:1,12 | constraints
164:10 | 36:17 39:14 43:1 | 26:1 41:21 53:7,9 |\n| 23:4 28:25 29:4 | consult
18:5 | 43:2 48:8,12 | 125:25 140:8 |\n| 32:22 33:2,9 35:3 | 106:16,20,22 | 51:13,15,16,19,20 | 150:5,9,20 151:6 |\n| 35:5 43:15 46:19 | consulted
134:25 | 52:24 54:1 60:21 | 151:12,24 152:18 |\n| 46:22,24 55:12,23 | 135:4,5,7 | 62:2 69:16 77:2,3 | 152:23 153:9 |\n| 56:23 57:5,17 | contact
79:25 | 77:5,6 79:16,22 | 156:2,19,19 |\n| 58:1 73:12 74:4 | 149:20 154:24 | 84:16 85:1,13,14 | 157:11,14 208:24 |\n| 83:14,20 87:25 | 214:9 | 90:18,20,24 91:13 | 209:21 212:20 |\n| 88:4,9 167:13 | contained
15:7 | 91:16 97:15 | 214:18,21 215:7 |\n| composed
121:13 | contains
189:16 | 104:19,23 105:21 | counsel's
150:10 |\n| computer
19:25 | contested
37:4 | 106:17 108:21 | 153:17,18 154:3 |\n| 212:14 | 130:19 | 111:2,4,5,7 117:2 | 154:24 |\n| con
26:11 | context
26:12 | 121:16,18 129:23 | counsels
16:5 |\n| concerned
21:4 | continue
193:1 | 135:25 136:21 | 144:25 |\n| 76:6 158:17 | continued
3:1 5:1 | 137:5,11,12,25 | count
80:3 |\n| concerns
71:22 | contributed
122:1 | 139:12 142:8,10 | countless
159:14 |\n| 126:25 128:22 | 122:7 | 142:11,12 145:12 | countries
175:23 |\n| 185:9 | controls
122:6 | 149:1 155:6,24 | country
27:14 |\n| concludes
209:7 | conversation | 157:13 161:15 | 115:23 116:8 |\n| conclusion
52:3 | 139:10 162:7,19 | 166:15 175:11 | county
211:2 |\n| conditions
146:14 | 178:14 191:7 | 185:13 187:17,19 | 212:2 |\n| conduct
155:17 | conversations | 189:1,2,5,6,10,12 | couple
10:21 19:3 |\n| conducted
14:10 | 16:13 77:22 | 189:18 190:4,5,20 | 73:8 97:13 109:22 |\n| 80:25 128:24 | 149:19 171:22 | 190:25 192:21 | 110:1 135:15 |\n| 155:2 | 178:7 | 198:7 202:21 | 138:20 149:7 |\n| confess
67:7 | convince
181:7,7 | 205:7,13 211:9,13 | 208:4 |\n| confirm
92:7 | convinced
180:1 | 212:16 | course
14:21 47:7 |\n| 198:9 203:18 | cooperate
78:20 | corrected
75:22 | 48:18,20,23 61:18 |\n| 206:23 | coordinate
118:12 | 75:23,24 76:4 | 81:24 85:2 121:20 |\n| confusing
22:25 | copy
210:3,7 | correction
29:18 | 126:2 130:5 131:7 |\n| 121:10 | corner
57:1 | 46:20 76:6 91:5 | 135:6 137:15 |\n| confusion
22:19 | corporate
1:16 | 169:17 | 142:18 147:3,3 |\n| 23:8 | 9:19 15:3 44:21 | corrections
214:14 | 154:18 170:23 |\n| connecticut
1:2 | corporation
4:21 | 214:15 215:3,4 | 174:19 181:13 |\n| 2:23 3:12 7:13 | 23:24 34:1 168:13 | correctly
75:1 | court
1:1 7:12,19 |\n| connolly
170:16 | 168:21 170:15 | 107:21 172:5,16 | 8:18 10:4,11,11 |\n| 170:19 172:2,3,7,9 | corporation's | 192:19 | 11:22 14:23 48:2 |\n| 172:19 | 168:3 | costs
177:8,16 | 50:11 57:8 85:3 |\n| consecutive
24:6 | correct
16:1 18:4 | counsel
7:21 9:20 | 146:11 194:9 |\n| 25:2 | 24:19,21 30:11,12 | 10:15 12:20 16:13 | |\n\n**[courts - described]**\n\n| courts
37:14 38:8 | d | debtor
1:9 2:4 8:8 | department
3:4 |\n|-----------------------|--------------------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|\n| cover
15:7 73:15 | | 8:10 40:6 41:24 | 87:9,12 128:1 |\n| 177:15 | d
2:21 4:1 148:25 | 53:11,23 85:12 | 155:1,9,16,23 |\n| covered
37:9 | dad
199:13 | 131:4,10,25 132:7 | depo
99:4 |\n| covid
16:5 | daily
128:16 | 132:15,19 134:21 | deponent's
209:21 |\n| craig
193:11,14 | 142:17,19 149:24 | 135:3,10 137:4 | deposed
13:22 |\n| create
43:19 44:2 | 151:2 179:6,8 | 156:19 186:14 | 14:1,5,12 36:8,16 |\n| created
43:20 | 208:5,8 | debtor's
53:24 | 90:7 92:20 94:6 |\n| 114:13,24 115:8 | daniel
148:24 | 131:17,17,18 | deposition
1:14 |\n| 115:15,16 116:6,8 | date
23:17 29:13 | debtors
146:16 | 5:11 7:9,15 11:7 |\n| 117:6 123:9 | 30:24 31:7 33:17 | decide
106:22 | 11:21 13:25 14:4 |\n| credentials
9:25 | 36:8 73:17 104:5 | 107:11 | 14:10 15:8,12,20 |\n| 10:8 | 168:3,9 214:16
215:5 216:24 | decided
183:1 | 16:10,24 17:2,12 |\n| credit
99:21 | dated
4:16,24 5:7 | decides
183:6 | 17:16,20 18:7,19 |\n| 101:21,25 102:14 | 5:15 73:16 213:1 | decision
134:20 | 19:7 20:1,8 21:7 |\n| 102:16,17,22,23 | dates
14:2,2 21:5 | 135:1,8,12,14,17 | 28:17 29:17 37:4 |\n| 102:25 129:4 | daughter
84:9 | 135:19,21,24 | 37:18 38:6 43:5 |\n| 195:10 196:11 | david
2:11 7:24 | 136:3 137:3,5,6,14 | 47:24 48:2,25 |\n| 198:6,20 202:20 | 10:20 65:12 116:2 | 137:17,18,25 | 55:10 65:19 73:17 |\n| 203:7,23 204:11 | 153:15 156:9 | 142:19 143:8 | 76:20 80:25 95:8 |\n| creditor
2:11,21 | 157:22 187:23 | 152:8,10 153:19 | 95:15 96:17 109:5 |\n| 7:11 9:20 128:24 | 209:12 | 154:3,22 164:19 | 116:12 125:18 |\n| creditors
3:10 8:6 | day
49:3,6,7 50:15 | 165:10 179:5,8,20 | 130:15,18 133:17 |\n| 194:25 | 69:22 109:2 | 180:20 181:11,20 | 133:21 134:5 |\n| credits
127:2 | 127:19,20 139:25 | 181:21 183:12 | 145:13 156:21 |\n| crystal
75:7 | 140:1 145:21 | 184:2 201:1 | 162:13 163:1 |\n| csr
1:25 213:4 | 163:7,10 168:15 | decisions
142:14 | 166:23 209:15,17 |\n| culture
49:23,24 | 173:15 194:22,22 | 142:17 164:2 | 209:20 211:6,8,11 |\n| 49:24 | 195:15,15 196:5,5 | 178:25 | 212:9,10,12 |\n| current
45:1 | 208:15,15 211:14 | declare
211:12 | 214:19,22,24 |\n| 125:10 129:3 | 213:1 | default
146:20,25 | 215:8,10 |\n| 148:17 150:5,19 | dc
2:13 3:7 | 147:8 | depositions
11:2 |\n| 151:24 153:3 | deal
195:21 | defendant
58:9 | 14:24 |\n| currently
124:14 | 206:11 | definitely
59:22 | describe
85:15 |\n| 150:2 152:18 | debate
125:19 | delaware
4:21 5:4 | 92:23 174:15 |\n| 156:4,7 157:2,4 | debit
102:24 103:4 | 167:16 168:4,22 | 175:16 179:3 |\n| 190:3 | 103:7,13 104:6,10 | 171:9 | described
68:22 |\n| cute
104:2 | 104:15,22,24 | delay
19:12 44:6 | 69:6 70:17 91:22 |\n| | 105:1 198:7,23 | delivered
210:7 | 117:12 120:14 |\n| | 202:12,19 203:7 | dep
58:4 | 124:22 186:11 |\n| | 203:24 204:11 | | |\n\n**[description - employee]**\n\n| description
4:11 | direct
21:10 84:4 | discuss
126:1 | driver
35:10 |\n|---------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 5:2 | 91:4 158:5 | 140:21 141:2 | drop
19:10 |\n| designed
187:5 | directed
27:7 | discussion
174:21 | due
16:5 |\n| designer
118:11 | 192:15,20 | displaying
132:4 | dug
169:8 |\n| details
36:15 | direction
82:2 | disregard
125:2 | duly
9:1,11,21 |\n| 64:23 105:12 | 117:17 190:24 | district
1:2 7:12 | 168:13,20 212:9 |\n| 113:15 147:2 | directly
99:22 | dive
198:8 | duties
26:18,23 |\n| 153:3 181:16 | 100:8,9 101:1 | diversified
45:15 | 44:17 45:7 46:4 |\n| determined | 103:24 110:10 | 114:11 | 69:6 77:23 169:15 |\n| 214:18,22 215:7 | 159:4,8,22 177:18 | division
1:3 7:13 | duty
27:2 149:9 |\n| develop
115:18 | director
4:19 28:9 | document
20:5,7 | dwell
196:23 |\n| 117:15 174:21 | 32:14 38:18,19,22 | 21:24 28:14 43:16 | dwelling
72:9,10 |\n| device
129:18 | 42:23,25 43:24 | 43:18,22 44:2 | e |\n| dharbach
2:14 | 45:25 46:13 47:20 | 56:18 61:13 62:24 | e
4:1,9 38:14,23 |\n| dictionary
60:9 | 49:5 56:9 97:20 | 63:9 167:1,4 | 39:9 147:15 |\n| difference
101:8 | 98:3 110:19 123:7 | 169:8,12,14 170:2 | 148:25 212:18 |\n| 176:17 | 134:19 142:6 | 171:8 172:21 | 214:9,12 215:1 |\n| different
116:11 | 175:13 181:19 | documentation | 216:3,3,3 |\n| 120:14 127:15 | directors
34:16 | 170:21 | earlier
47:1 53:11 |\n| 136:18,20 166:2 | 37:10 148:18 | documented | 77:22 87:14 99:9 |\n| 175:23 | 168:20 | 187:21,25 188:1,8 | 118:5 158:22 |\n| difficult
195:2 | disagree
129:8 | 189:4,12 190:17 | 176:15 182:9 |\n| dip
37:5,11 42:3 | 156:22 158:7 | documents
15:16 | 188:4 193:15 |\n| 42:13 66:12 94:21 | 183:5,9 184:4 | 15:18 166:16 | 195:9 207:12 |\n| 125:15 130:20 | 193:1 | 169:11 170:7 | 208:16 |\n| 131:22,23 132:1,4 | disagreed
137:13 | 184:15 185:12,14 | ease
39:16 |\n| 132:9,11,23 134:7 | 179:15 180:19 | 186:11 190:3,7 | east
7:3 184:20 |\n| 134:8,21 135:2,9 | 183:1,11 | 207:13 | 190:3 |\n| 136:18,23 137:4 | disagreement | doing
11:21 45:10 | eastern
14:19,19 |\n| 137:18 138:3,19 | 179:19 181:22 | 45:11 80:22 93:5 | efficient
87:15 |\n| 139:2,5,14 140:12 | 182:3 | 115:21 117:17 | eight
83:19,22 |\n| 140:21 142:21,23 | disagreements | 128:1 141:6 | 84:2 |\n| 144:5,11,18 145:9 | 179:23 181:3 | 160:19 | eighteenth
72:20 |\n| 145:17,21 146:8 | disappeared
48:11 | dollars
179:1,9,12 | either
16:13 38:7 |\n| 146:21,25 147:2,8 | disclose
124:24,24 | 179:20,21 180:21 | 48:10 59:22 63:19 |\n| 147:19 158:18 | 150:10 | 183:13 184:3 | elected
168:20 |\n| 159:2,6,14,16 | disclosing
16:12 | drafted
58:18 | employed
36:1 |\n| 160:25 162:11,13 | 42:11 | 63:25 68:8 | employee
35:14,20 |\n| 162:23 163:11,15 | disclosure
130:15 | drill
171:5 | 78:15,16,18 79:4 |\n| 176:17 177:3 | 130:23 | drive
194:8 | 81:9,15 84:13 |\n| 180:7 | | | 85:19,23,24 86:4,6 |\n\n**[employee - family]**\n\n| 123:7 151:12,17 | estate
47:15 51:9 | 44:10 46:18,21 | extend
37:13 38:8 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 153:3 154:13 | 51:17 114:10 | 47:6 55:9,10,19 | extended
176:10 |\n| 155:7 156:10 | 115:20 117:22,24 | 56:2,4,9,13 57:1 | extra
185:8 |\n| employees
34:21 | 117:25 118:9,11 | 62:5,16,23 64:9 | eye
2:12 |\n| 37:10 48:10 78:15 | 181:4 182:6 | 67:5,19,21 73:11 | f |\n| 151:13 156:6,12 | 183:15,19 184:5 | 83:13,15 87:16,23 | f
116:22 147:15 |\n| 157:1,2 158:3 | et
68:12 | 87:24 88:1,2 91:4 | facilitate
118:12 |\n| 192:20 206:15 | events
146:19,24 | 91:5,6 166:20,23 | fact
50:22 80:16 |\n| 208:12 | 147:7 | 167:9,12 171:17 | 80:20 89:4 123:2 |\n| employer
153:5,17 | everybody
19:11 | 172:8 209:15,16 | 169:17,22 |\n| 153:19 154:3,7,20 | 163:19 173:24 | 209:17,22 | factor
153:19 |\n| 154:25 155:6 | evidencing
207:17 | exhibits
5:1 19:15 | 154:3 |\n| empowered | exact
71:14 184:23 | 20:16 209:15 | facts
32:8 166:9 |\n| 142:14 | exactly
98:17 | existed
145:18 | failure
168:18 |\n| endured
208:24 | 180:15 | expand
115:18 | 172:24 |\n| engage
129:7 | examination
4:3 | expect
122:15 | fair
60:18 72:23 |\n| english
8:25,25 | 10:17 | 124:10 158:18,21 | 74:1 90:6 94:14 |\n| 9:10,10 10:10 | examined
14:5 | expectation
50:12 | 162:20 170:5 |\n| 11:3,5,6,7,11,25 | example
94:6 | expected
184:10 | 173:17 |\n| 29:25 38:23 39:22 | 95:23 99:3 102:2 | expecting
169:6 | familiar
144:5,11 |\n| 40:16 50:2 55:16 | 102:5,6 105:10 | expedition
37:13 | 146:19 186:20 |\n| 62:25 63:25 79:19 | 106:19 108:11 | expenses
100:11 | families
86:25 |\n| 86:4 98:10 144:4 | 143:6 179:5 | 192:15 193:20,23 | family
24:24 29:11 |\n| 144:19 201:20 | 183:10,23 184:2,2 | 194:3 | 29:23 30:6,9,10,13 |\n| 203:4,7,14,15 | 184:7 198:14,16 | expensive
108:6,9 | |\n| 205:14,17 | 200:7 201:18 | 194:14 | 30:17,19 31:2,15 |\n| ensure
98:24 | 203:22 | experience
45:1 | 31:18,20 48:9 |\n| ensured
98:6 | examples
182:3,5 | 161:24 | 52:1,17,23 54:22 |\n| ensuring
98:4 | 182:10,16 205:4 | explain
20:4 41:21 | 58:12,17 68:2,7 |\n| enterprise
118:15 | exceeds
20:11 | 64:5 75:3 151:8 | 81:11 84:8 85:6,6 |\n| 175:17 | excuse
15:11 56:5 | 177:13 200:14 | 85:7,11,25 86:5,6 |\n| entire
48:8 84:17 | 58:5 128:3 163:18 | explained
93:7 | 86:12,17 87:7 |\n| 85:7 129:15 155:7 | 194:4 | 175:6 176:16 | 91:15,20 95:7 |\n| 164:18 170:14 | executed
65:10 | 180:25 182:4 | 113:6,7 115:16 |\n| 174:19 | 211:14 | 183:17 | 118:3,4,7,22 119:6 |\n| errata
214:14,16 | executing
166:13 | explanation
26:3 | 119:7,8,9,19,22 |\n| 215:3,5 | exhibit
4:11,12,16 | explore
42:1 93:5 | 120:12,15,17,23 |\n| escalate
107:18 | 4:19,23 5:2,3,3,9 | 116:3 | 121:3,8,13,15,17 |\n| 143:8 | 19:6,7 20:15 | exploring
44:23 | 121:17,23,24 |\n| established
66:11 | 28:17,20 32:20,21 | 65:24 | 122:22 123:21 |\n| | 33:8 35:2 43:5 | | 124:5 157:17 |\n| | | | 164:16,17,23 |\n\n**[family - fourteen]**\n\n| 176:10,10 181:16 | figure
26:9 111:10 | finishing
173:25 | follow
32:4 102:15 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 182:17 183:20 | 128:11 135:14 | fire
171:4 | 168:23 197:12,18 |\n| 184:24 205:8,9,12 | 143:3,11,21 144:3 | firm
7:17,19 15:14 | followed
164:15 |\n| famous
208:1 | 187:16 | 15:25 17:21,22 | following
109:2 |\n| far
37:6,10 95:14 | figuring
102:13 | 18:6 60:25 124:8 | follows
9:2,12,22 |\n| 98:19 124:3 | 195:2 | 193:5 | 58:11 214:8 |\n| 158:16 160:4 | file
20:19 168:18 | firm's
17:23,25 | food
95:25 99:9,20 |\n| 164:9 165:3 180:6 | 172:24 | firms
17:21 114:3 | 99:20 107:12,22 |\n| 187:15 198:21 | filed
7:11 57:7 | first
9:21 23:17 | 141:18 |\n| father
53:20 68:25 | 65:25 167:23 | 25:13 30:4 50:5 | foods
204:17 |\n| 69:12 91:20 92:18 | 168:19 171:8 | 52:10 55:1,21 | 205:5 |\n| 92:19 96:1,4 | 173:8 | 56:16 58:4 62:23 | foregoing
211:5 |\n| 98:16 99:6 108:24 | filing
168:3 | 62:25 69:7 75:3,7 | 211:13 212:8,15 |\n| 109:2 113:13 | fill
191:21 | 86:10 87:6 139:4 | forgeries
170:8 |\n| 117:18 119:15 | filling
192:4 | 139:7 143:15 | forget
29:14 30:24 |\n| 122:24 134:9 | finance
128:1 | 144:14 145:16,21 | 75:23 |\n| 136:2 143:7 | 160:24 162:10 | 153:8,13 162:9,23 | forgive
185:8 |\n| 175:25 176:6 | 190:23 196:12,12 | 163:3,7,10 168:15 | forgot
31:8 |\n| 177:22 180:11,12 | 197:8 198:8 199:7 | 174:19 201:5 | form
13:1 121:5 |\n| 182:19,20,22 | 199:13 | 212:11 | 211:7 |\n| 191:8 196:1 199:9 | financial
46:14,16 | fishing
37:13 | formal
189:17 |\n| 199:11,23 201:9 | 47:13,22 49:8,9,13 | five
4:18 5:7 29:7 | formed
18:10,11 |\n| 206:22 | 49:20 50:3,19,22 | 33:1,7 41:13 59:3 | forsyth
147:14,21 |\n| father's
95:24 | 127:25 189:8,11 | 59:5 79:24 80:7 | forth
141:24,25 |\n| 100:18 134:9 | 189:22 191:22 | 85:21 168:11 | 142:3 195:10 |\n| 182:18 201:11 | 192:5 | fix
170:25 173:15 | 212:11 |\n| february
33:11,17 | financials
101:16 | 173:19 | forty
4:14 20:20 |\n| 33:23 35:14,17 | financing
37:5 | fixing
167:8 | 29:3,5 35:4 46:23 |\n| federal
5:13 | 131:4,11 132:19 | floor
72:20 | 47:1,3,4,8 83:19 |\n| 212:18 215:1,8,9 | 132:24 134:21 | flow
127:10,12,13 | 83:22 84:2 88:8 |\n| fee
107:2 | 135:3,10 136:23 | 127:14 | 88:14 |\n| feel
98:13 153:2 | find
23:1 110:3,23 | focus
23:17 33:16 | forward
53:20 |\n| 200:16 | 151:4 204:18 | 136:22 163:9 | 88:7 |\n| feeling
154:15 | fine
11:11 54:14 | focused
165:10 | four
21:25 22:13 |\n| fees
107:5 | 61:10 158:13 | focusing
166:6 | 22:13 30:2 36:6 |\n| fifteen
17:8,9,9 | 160:20 | 193:22 | 36:10,14 56:14 |\n| 138:20 | finish
12:3 63:5 | folder
19:16 20:16 | 61:19 64:22 65:8 |\n| fifth
197:21 | 78:5,7 | 28:20 | 91:7,9 116:22 |\n| 198:16,19 | finished
84:20,22 | folders
19:18 | 142:7 |\n| fifty
59:7 | 116:20 205:24 | folks
112:9 163:17 | fourteen
157:4 |\n| | | | |\n\n**going** [7:6](#page-31-0) [13:3](#page-37-0) [18:20](#page-42-0) [19:6](#page-43-0) [26:4](#page-50-0)\n\n**frequency** [109:1](#page-133-0) **frequently** [69:17](#page-93-0) [70:25](#page-94-0) [80:1](#page-104-0) [83:1](#page-107-0) [151:24](#page-175-0) [152:18,23](#page-176-0) [153:9,17,18](#page-177-0) [154:2](#page-178-0) [154:24](#page-178-0) [156:1](#page-180-0) [157:11,14](#page-181-0) [179:12](#page-203-0)\n\n> [183:4](#page-207-0) [201:25](#page-225-0) **generally** [15:12](#page-39-0) **gentleman** [35:11](#page-59-0)\n\n[107:15](#page-131-0) [108:5](#page-132-0) [129:3](#page-153-0) [144:23](#page-168-0) [153:25](#page-177-0) [167:9,11](#page-191-0) [183:9](#page-207-0) [196:20](#page-220-0) [197:2,6](#page-221-0) [202:9,12](#page-226-0) **goes** [47:7,16](#page-71-0) [84:2](#page-108-0) [197:14](#page-221-0) [201:8](#page-225-0)\n\n[107:7](#page-131-0) [150:5,9,10](#page-174-0) [150:19](#page-174-0) [151:6,12](#page-175-0)\n\n| getting
107:25 | 112:12 125:2,4,18 | |\n|---------------------|---------------------|--|\n| 128:10 204:24 | 125:24 126:3,23 | |\n| give
26:3 44:5 | 129:2 132:17 | |\n| 71:17 82:1 96:2 | 135:13 136:6 | |\n| 96:24 104:4 | 146:17 150:7,13 | |\n| 105:10 153:3,8,8,8 | 158:5,20,24 | |\n| 163:17 166:18 | 161:13 163:11,15 | |\n| 182:21 183:25 | 166:19 174:2 | |\n| 186:6 198:14,22 | 183:5,22 206:1 | |\n| 198:24 205:19 | 207:11,14 208:10 | |\n| given
11:2 29:19 | golden
2:21 4:20 | |\n| 75:12 96:16,19 | 5:3,11 7:10 8:3 | |\n| 108:2 136:4 200:7 | 15:3,20 16:9,22 | |\n| 209:7 212:16 | 17:2,4,10 18:9,11 | |\n| gives
26:11,11 | 18:15,16,17,18,20 | |\n| giving
204:22 | 18:21,24 21:5 | |\n| go
11:7 20:13,16 | 22:8 23:11,20,24 | |\n| 23:1,2 31:9 32:20 | 23:25 24:2,3,12,13 | |\n| 32:25 35:4 46:18 | 24:14,18,21,23 | |\n| 52:8 54:2 55:21 | 25:6,16,18 27:6,10 | |\n| 56:8,21 57:4,14,25 | 27:15 28:9 30:8 | |\n| 66:18 74:3 75:6,6 | 32:10,13,15 33:12 | |\n| 75:13,24 82:5,20 | 33:18 34:1,3,7,9 | |\n| 83:9,13,18 88:1 | 34:13,16,22,25 | |\n| 100:4 106:3 | 35:14,20 36:2,24 | |\n\n| 26:15,21,25 28:13 | 59:21 65:21 67:25 |\n|---------------------|-------------------|\n| 29:2 37:1,12 42:9 | 68:10,11,16,23 |\n| 43:3 44:10 53:20 | 69:2,8,9,14 71:4 |\n| 62:13 66:3,7,12,14 | 71:12 72:1,8 |\n| 66:21 75:17 84:3 | 73:22 74:21,24 |\n| 87:13 90:10 91:4 | 77:18,21,25 78:12 |\n| 96:6 97:9 99:7,7 | 78:19 79:7,15,18 |\n| 112:12 125:2,4,18 | 80:5,11,12,13,18 |\n| 125:24 126:3,23 | 80:22 81:3,6 |\n| 129:2 132:17 | 86:22 90:4,9,18 |\n| 135:13 136:6 | 91:16,17,18,24 |\n| 146:17 150:7,13 | 92:9,16 93:6 95:4 |\n| 158:5,20,24 | 95:24 97:2,20 |\n| 161:13 163:11,15 | 98:3,23 99:11 |\n| 166:19 174:2 | 100:16 102:7,22 |\n| 183:5,22 206:1 | 102:23,25 103:4,7 |\n| 207:11,14 208:10 | 103:9 104:6,10,13 |\n| golden
2:21 4:20 | 104:14,17,22,24 |\n| 5:3,11 7:10 8:3 | 105:8 107:15,18 |\n| 15:3,20 16:9,22 | 108:3 109:4,11,13 |\n| 17:2,4,10 18:9,11 | 109:18,21,22,25 |\n| 18:15,16,17,18,20 | 110:7,14,17,20,25 |\n| 18:21,24 21:5 | 111:11,17 113:21 |\n| 22:8 23:11,20,24 | 114:12,15,23 |\n| 23:25 24:2,3,12,13 | 115:8,12,14,16 |\n| 24:14,18,21,23 | 116:5,8 117:6,10 |\n| 25:6,16,18 27:6,10 | 118:7,14 119:4,13 |\n| 27:15 28:9 30:8 | 119:13,18,23 |\n| 32:10,13,15 33:12 | 120:12,20,23,24 |\n| 33:18 34:1,3,7,9 | 121:1,4,15,19 |\n| 34:13,16,22,25 | 122:1,7,13,20,21 |\n| 35:14,20 36:2,24 | 123:8,13 124:11 |\n| 37:21 38:1,18 | 124:21 125:7,14 |\n| 40:9,18,22 41:4,17 | 125:22 126:21,25 |\n| 42:2,5,21 43:25 | 127:7,8,9,17 |\n| 44:15,17,21,25 | 128:12,19,20,23 |\n| 45:7,17,21,25 46:6 | 129:14,17 130:11 |\n| 46:13 47:10,21 | 130:15 131:3,9 |\n| 49:5,19 50:24 | 132:18,21,22,23 |\n\n[51:24](#page-75-0) [52:14](#page-76-0) [54:20](#page-78-0) [58:6,21,22,23](#page-82-0)\n\n### **[frame - golden]**\n\n**frame** [140:9](#page-164-0) **frank** [147:15](#page-171-0) **frcp** [215:1](#page-239-0)\n\n**friend** [80:6](#page-104-0) **front** [67:20](#page-91-0) **fulfill** [70:16](#page-94-0)\n\n[175:8](#page-199-0)\n\n[115:12](#page-139-0)\n\n[208:12](#page-232-0) **further** [37:2](#page-61-0) [212:20](#page-236-0)\n\n[112:24](#page-136-0)\n\n[109:14](#page-133-0)\n\n[188:7](#page-212-0)\n\n**g**\n\n[38:22,23,24](#page-62-0) [39:9,9](#page-63-0) [39:12,12](#page-63-0) [86:14](#page-110-0)\n\n**g** [17:5,5](#page-41-0) [30:8,9](#page-54-0)\n\n**gasoline** [111:8](#page-135-0) **gasolines** [109:14](#page-133-0)\n\n**gather** [171:12](#page-195-0)\n\n**general** [27:4](#page-51-0) [46:7](#page-70-0) [46:8](#page-70-0) [71:20](#page-95-0) [107:4](#page-131-0)\n\n**funding** [42:13](#page-66-0) [136:2,16](#page-160-0) [180:10](#page-204-0) **funds** [99:6](#page-123-0) [101:15](#page-125-0) [127:8](#page-151-0) [160:24](#page-184-0) [162:10,24](#page-186-0) **furniture** [194:14](#page-218-0)\n\n[108:13,23](#page-132-0) [140:13](#page-164-0)\n\n**full** [23:24](#page-47-0) [174:24](#page-198-0)\n\n**fully** [129:7](#page-153-0) [130:21](#page-154-0) **fund** [2:12](#page-26-0) [5:10](#page-29-0) [9:21](#page-33-0) [99:4,8](#page-123-0)\n\n[114:15,15](#page-138-0) [115:7](#page-139-0) [143:6](#page-167-0) [159:2,6,16](#page-183-0) [163:11](#page-187-0) [176:19](#page-200-0) **funded** [114:12,23](#page-138-0)\n\n**[golden - harbach]**\n\n| 133:7,16 134:19 | granted
130:21 | 138:21 139:11 | happened
32:8 |\n|--------------------|---------------------|-----------------------|---------------------|\n| 135:2,9 136:1,17 | groceries
201:19 | 143:1,4 144:2 | 47:24 85:18 |\n| 137:7,10 140:25 | 201:20 202:5,11 | 147:18 148:3,5,10 | 105:13,17 106:25 |\n| 141:24 148:6,12 | 203:24 204:12,16 | 148:19 157:8 | 122:15 136:14 |\n| 148:15,18 150:2,6 | grocery
99:20 | 159:3,7,10,22 | 138:1,19,19 |\n| 150:20 151:11,25 | 100:21 201:21,24 | 161:2 163:12 | 170:13,23 173:3 |\n| 152:19,24 153:1 | 202:9,10,12 | 164:18 165:21 | 173:15,19 182:23 |\n| 153:10 156:1,6,18 | 203:22 205:3 | 172:7,12 175:12 | 183:8 199:9 |\n| 157:3,22 158:16 | grounds
120:1 | 175:17 177:18 | happens
85:16 |\n| 158:17,20 159:13 | guess
97:12 | 178:2,6,15,20 | 195:2 196:2,9 |\n| 160:21,24 163:21 | 165:11 | 179:16 180:7,20 | 197:22 198:2 |\n| 164:10,14 165:16 | guo
17:4 24:24 | 182:19 183:1,5 | 199:2 |\n| 165:22 166:4,14 | 29:10,23 30:6,8,9 | 187:5 189:20 | happy
12:12 |\n| 168:9 169:3,15,25 | 30:10,13,17,19 | 191:3,8 194:16,16 | harass
38:8 |\n| 170:14,20 171:14 | 31:2,15,17,19,25 | 199:4,8,11,12,15 | harassed
125:14 |\n| 172:10 173:1,4 | 32:5 34:14 38:21 | 199:17,22 200:8 | harassment
42:14 |\n| 174:16 175:3,13 | 39:8,9,12,21 40:3 | 201:7 206:11,21 | 124:22 |\n| 176:23 177:7,14 | 40:8,17,24 41:6 | guo's
53:20 68:10 | harbach
2:11 4:5 |\n| 177:18 178:1,3 | 45:9 46:2 48:9 | 76:9 89:14 94:9 | 7:23,24 10:18,20 |\n| 180:5 184:10 | 53:2,5,12 55:3 | 106:2 113:12 | 12:23 13:2,5,10,11 |\n| 185:3 186:9,14 | 68:24 69:10,18 | 136:2 137:4 | 16:17 19:9,20,22 |\n| 187:4 188:25 | 70:10 75:22 76:12 | 142:15 170:18 | 19:24 20:6,14,17 |\n| 190:14,18,23 | 76:25 77:9,13,17 | 178:23 201:12 | 26:5,21 27:8 |\n| 191:10 192:3,11 | 77:22 78:12 79:14 | h | 28:15,19 29:17,21 |\n| 192:15 193:18 | 79:17 80:17,21 | h
4:9 39:13,14 | 37:16 38:10 40:15 |\n| 194:2,7,8 195:4,7 | 81:4,7,10,13,19 | 147:15,16 148:25 | 41:1,23 42:7,15,18 |\n| 195:15,22 198:22 | 85:6,7,24 86:5,6 | 171:25 216:3 | 42:19 43:7,9 44:6 |\n| 198:24 199:14 | 86:12,17,21,24 | habit
64:24 | 44:9,23 45:5 52:7 |\n| 201:10,23 202:7 | 87:7 90:19 92:3 | half
36:10,14 84:5 | 52:12,20,24 53:3,8 |\n| 202:10 206:8,13 | 95:23 96:9 97:14 | hand
8:20 9:5,15 | 53:15,18 54:7,9,14 |\n| 206:22 207:14 | 98:15 99:4 100:15 | 57:1 167:22 | 54:17 55:4,7,8,13 |\n| 208:5,8 209:9 | 104:17 106:10,21 | handed
149:23 | 59:15 60:3 65:2,4 |\n| goldenspringny | 107:14,16,19,24 | handled
134:23 | 65:14,20 66:16 |\n| 214:2 | 109:23 110:10 | 214:8 | 67:3,7,17,18 71:8 |\n| good
7:5,23 8:1 | 113:7,10,23 | handling
78:19 | 71:9,21,24 73:4,6 |\n| 10:3,19 11:19 | 114:14 115:2,17 | handouts
118:10 | 76:17,19 83:10,12 |\n| 49:14 53:22 55:18 | 115:17,22 116:6 | hang
70:13 151:22 | 87:2,4 90:6,14 |\n| 56:20 88:11 | 116:18 117:7,7,13 | happen
127:20 | 93:1 94:22 95:21 |\n| 112:20 141:6 | 120:15 134:6,22 | 197:20 198:4,5,10 | 104:1,3 111:15,21 |\n| 197:25 | 134:25 135:1,8,18 | 198:17,17 | 111:23 112:1,6,11 |\n| | 136:3 137:13 | | 112:19 116:3,16 |\n\n**[harbach - hr]**\n\n| 120:5,6 121:9,11 | held
7:15 | ho
1:8 2:5 7:11 8:8 | 204:21 205:11 |\n|-----------------------|---------------------|------------------------|-----------------------|\n| 122:12 123:1,6 | help
11:15 31:12 | 39:18 40:6 41:16 | 206:1,14 214:4 |\n| 125:1,6 126:2,10 | 36:20 37:18 40:15 | 41:24 42:1 45:18 | 216:1 |\n| 126:15 127:4 | 51:6 52:5 73:15 | 45:22 52:1,16,22 | hold
119:24 142:7 |\n| 128:7,13 129:6,12 | 81:24,24 82:3 | 53:5,7,9,13,21 | holding
212:6 |\n| 130:1,24 131:2,8 | 89:13,15,20 90:19 | 54:22 58:9,16 | holdup
70:14 |\n| 131:19 133:12,14 | 106:2 131:5,14 | 66:7 68:2,6,11,20 | holley
3:5 8:15 |\n| 140:10,11 143:16 | 146:5 147:1 | 70:16 72:3,9,17 | holley.l.claiborn |\n| 143:19 144:1,8,17 | 153:22 166:20 | 77:1,4 81:4,9,15 | 3:8 |\n| 145:25 146:3 | 169:11,12 188:12 | 81:16,21 82:1,10 | home
72:16 73:2 |\n| 147:4,6,11 148:9 | 192:15 195:3,8 | 82:19,23 83:7 | 204:15 |\n| 150:11,17 153:13 | 200:20 | 84:15 85:1,13,19 | honest
50:8,12,17 |\n| 153:16,25 154:1 | helped
43:18 | 85:23 86:8 87:19 | 61:22 132:10 |\n| 154:23 156:15,24 | 120:25 | 88:18 89:5,13 | honestly
26:13 |\n| 157:25 158:14,15 | helpful
37:24 | 90:16 91:2,14 | 191:15 |\n| 159:24 161:6,10 | 38:24 92:24 94:1 | 92:10 93:14 94:16 | hong
18:16,18,20 |\n| 165:9,13 166:1,12 | helpfully
90:23 | 95:7 97:22 98:4 | 18:21,25 21:5 |\n| 166:21,25 167:5 | helping
191:20 | 98:24 99:13 100:8 | 22:6,8 23:11,12,20 |\n| 170:4 171:2 | 192:12 | 100:12,24 101:4 | 23:22 24:3,7,8,12 |\n| 173:22 174:9,12 | helps
36:22 | 101:12 102:17 | 24:13,21,23 25:1,3 |\n| 186:8,18,19 188:2 | hereof
212:11 | 103:13 104:5,9,14 | 25:3,3,6,7,16,19 |\n| 188:15,16 190:6 | hesitant
125:13 | 104:21 105:5,15 | 27:10,15,16 30:5 |\n| 190:10 192:1,2,22 | hesitate
150:12 | 105:24 106:6,15 | 31:23 32:1,3,4 |\n| 193:4 196:22 | 173:24 | 106:23,24 107:8 | 44:15,18 45:7,17 |\n| 197:1 200:22 | hey
107:8 194:7 | 108:22 110:25 | 45:22 |\n| 201:16 204:5,8 | 195:17 | 111:13 115:3,6 | hope
55:14 146:1 |\n| 205:19,21 207:1,5 | hi
141:12 | 118:6 119:10,20 | hopefully
44:7 |\n| 207:11,21,24 | high
154:9 | 119:22 121:3,23 | 107:6 205:22 |\n| 208:3,23 209:2,12 | hire
152:8,14 | 121:25 122:6,21 | hopelessly
165:19 |\n| 209:12,19,25 | 153:19 154:4,6,9 | 136:18 139:13,18 | hopes
118:25 |\n| hard
200:2,3 | hired
86:8,11,17 | 140:14,21 149:21 | hoping
195:3,7 |\n| hartford
2:23 3:12 | 87:8,12 91:17 | 151:7,14 172:19 | hotel
27:12 102:2 |\n| head
66:9 176:14 | 151:25 169:2,23 | 176:23 177:6,16 | 102:4,7,8 |\n| 187:22 | 170:13,22 | 177:19 178:8,15 | house
3:11 72:12 |\n| hear
10:23,23 11:1 | hiring
152:25 | 178:17 186:1 | 72:14 201:21 |\n| 13:5 92:6 | 154:25 | 187:7,10 189:1,16 | 202:2 |\n| heard
10:20 39:5,6 | history
170:6 | 189:20 191:6,9,16 | housekeeping |\n| 52:22 111:9 134:6 | hit
37:7 | 192:13 193:20 | 10:21 |\n| 139:4,7,9 162:25 | hmmm
15:1 | 195:11 196:2 | hr
87:9,11 155:1,9 |\n| 163:13 172:4,16 | 114:18 115:5 | 199:19 200:4,24 | 155:16,23 |\n| 178:6 193:8 | | 201:1,6,24 204:20 | |\n| | | | |\n\n#### **[huh - investment]**\n\n| huh
54:2 101:2 | 118:9,10 151:12 | instruction
45:8 | interpreter
3:17 |\n|-------------------------------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 137:19 155:16 | 153:5 157:5,6 | 58:21 68:10,24 | 3:18 8:24 9:4,6,9 |\n| hull
1:25 7:19 | 170:14 179:6 | 69:10 89:14,22 | 9:14 10:2,4,5,7,9 |\n| 212:5 213:4 | income
118:17,18 | 91:18 94:9 96:2,9 | 10:10,11 11:8 |\n| humble
48:14 | 118:20 119:2 | 96:16,19,24 98:16 | 31:12 40:20,21 |\n| 49:24 50:7,21 | 123:14,18,21 | 98:18 106:2 108:2 | 52:5,21,22 53:1,4 |\n| hundred
4:17 | 124:9 | 125:2 130:24 | 53:6,14,17 54:7,10 |\n| 105:22 120:17 | incorporation
5:5 | 133:6 | 54:11,25 55:6 |\n| hundreds
82:15 | 168:4,9 | integrity
127:1 | 59:18 81:1 131:12 |\n| hurt
129:19 | indicated
188:4 | 128:22 | 131:13,14,15,16 |\n| 174:23 | indicates
57:21 | intend
15:6 | 133:11 143:13,18 |\n| hurted
175:7 | individually
121:7 | intended
146:1 | 143:22,23 144:8 |\n| husband
201:25 | inference
94:14 | intending
158:23 | 144:12,13 146:5 |\n| i | influence
13:13 | interact
80:5 | 147:1,9,24,25 |\n| | inform
23:18 | interacted
74:23 | 153:22 154:5 |\n| identification
19:8 | information
16:20 | 79:6,14,19 80:10 | 200:18 201:3,4,14 |\n| 28:18 43:6 55:11 | 36:19 51:4 60:1 | interacting
80:17 | interpreters
8:19 |\n| 128:10 166:24 | 61:23 62:4,10 | 80:21 | interprets
40:20 |\n| 209:18 | 64:2 130:8 156:8 | interaction
80:3 | 52:20 59:18 |\n| identifying
156:13 | 156:14 | interest
146:11 | 131:12 |\n| identity
127:5 | informed
87:11 | 186:22,24 187:3,7 | interrupt
30:15 |\n| 128:9 150:10 | informs
26:10 | 187:11,13 189:16 | 75:19 150:12 |\n| 153:18 154:2 | inhouse
16:13 | interested
47:18 | interrupting
76:18 |\n| ii
2:11 | 155:25 | 128:10 145:6,8 | interview
152:12 |\n| immediate
85:6 | inoperative
166:7 | 212:22 | 152:15 154:6,15 |\n| immediately | 168:16 169:4,17 | interesting
151:4 | 154:15 |\n| 152:18,25 186:10 | 169:19,25 171:14 | interests
51:25 | interviews
118:10 |\n| impair
13:14 | 172:23 173:2,13 | 52:16 54:21 58:8 | invade
146:1 |\n| important
11:21
impression
75:12 | input
180:8 | 58:16 68:2,6,20 | invest
120:25 |\n| inauthentic
170:8 | inquire
116:7 | 87:19 88:18 90:16 | 175:25 |\n| include
24:4 85:18 | insisting
76:11 | 91:3,14 95:7 | invested
176:5 |\n| 89:15 111:3,6 | instruct
20:11 | interfere
13:15 | investing
118:2 |\n| 125:3 157:8,12 | 26:15 37:2,14 | internal
102:11 | investment
114:11 |\n| 164:5 | 38:3 42:9 66:5,6 | interpret
8:24 9:1 | 115:20 117:20,25 |\n| included
119:19 | 66:14 67:15 | 9:9,11 183:22 | 118:23 123:16,22 |\n| | 116:14 126:23 | 201:15 | 123:23 124:6 |\n| 214:14 215:3
includes
119:10 | instructed
6:1 | interpreted
9:2,12 | 174:15,24 175:3,9 |\n| including
48:9 | 95:24 141:21 | 143:22 144:12 | 175:22 176:3 |\n| 84:8,12 89:14 | instructing
42:16 | 147:9,25 154:5 | 179:24 181:3,4,21 |\n| 91:20 92:18,19,21 | 67:9 129:9 | 188:6 201:3 | 183:15,19 |\n| | | | |\n| 95:25 99:4 115:19 | | | |\n\n## **[investments - kong]**\n\n| investments | 154:14 174:19 | know
12:12 14:22 | 154:8,12,14 |\n|------------------------|-----------------------|---------------------|---------------------|\n| 118:25 | 196:12 214:5 | 21:13,16 22:25 | 155:11 159:9,15 |\n| invests
118:24 | 216:2 | 28:1 31:6 32:21 | 160:13 161:1,2 |\n| invoice
148:7,15 | johnston
3:17 8:23 | 33:3 38:11,15,16 | 162:19 163:1,4,15 |\n| 148:16 | 10:6 11:15 12:15 | 39:11 41:23 48:24 | 163:16,23 165:4 |\n| involved
99:12 | 52:11 54:3 55:5 | 49:14 50:3 54:10 | 170:12,18,18,21 |\n| 124:20 133:2,5,10 | 59:15 98:11 131:8 | 55:1 56:18 59:9 | 170:23 172:20,25 |\n| 134:20,24 135:15 | 133:12 143:17 | 59:10,12,13,17 | 173:4,10,10,12,14 |\n| 135:16 143:24 | 144:10 147:5 | 60:7,9,10,19 61:4 | 175:12 180:15 |\n| 144:14 152:7,24 | 153:25 200:23 | 61:7,21 63:7,14,20 | 185:18 187:15 |\n| 164:7 179:20 | jonathan
3:10 8:4 | 64:6 70:2 73:21 | 191:3 192:9 193:5 |\n| 180:20 183:12 | judge
127:13 | 74:11,22 75:9 | 193:11,12 194:6 |\n| 191:4,20 192:4,12 | 158:8 | 76:13 77:19,25 | 194:22,23 195:9 |\n| 196:4 | judgment
23:19 | 78:4,11,14,16,17 | 197:5,15,17 |\n| involves
197:3 | 127:11,12,14 | 78:18 80:13 82:14 | 198:21 199:3,22 |\n| involving
13:24 | jumping
154:13 | 84:20 86:19 95:10 | 199:24 200:1 |\n| 178:25 179:9 | justice
3:4 | 100:10,12,23 | 201:10 203:6 |\n| 184:3 | k | 102:1,20 103:12 | 204:1,14,23,25 |\n| issue
41:20 127:10 | k
38:14,14 39:13 | 103:22 105:3 | 205:2,7,8 207:6,7 |\n| 127:12,13,14 | 39:13,14,14 | 107:9 108:15,15 | 208:23 |\n| 132:20 142:22 | 148:25 | 108:17,18,24,25 | knowledge
46:15 |\n| 149:8,11 153:12 | kaplan
3:10 8:4,4 | 109:1 110:6,9,19 | 46:17 47:14,15,22 |\n| 156:10 164:21 | 19:18 | 110:22 111:11,13 | 49:8,10,13,20,25 |\n| 183:12 | kaulet
2:9 | 111:14 112:6,23 | 50:19,23 51:10,18 |\n| issues
124:20 | keep
57:13 130:9 | 113:3,25 114:6 | 60:2 62:9 64:3 |\n| 128:25 157:20 | 132:17 151:20 | 115:11,13 116:25 | 104:21 105:2 |\n| item
108:7 | kenneth
2:5 8:7 | 117:1,5,9 120:7 | 121:25 122:4,5,11 |\n| j | kern
211:2 212:2 | 122:15 124:3,3,8 | 133:18,24 143:25 |\n| jail
84:6,11 86:2,3 | kidnap
47:11 | 125:17 128:15,19 | 150:1 160:22 |\n| jalbert
193:11,14 | kidnapped
48:11 | 130:7 131:23 | 172:18 188:21 |\n| jam
1:8 7:14 | 84:11 86:2 | 132:1,9,11 133:3,9 | 206:24 207:4,10 |\n| jeff
7:17 112:7 | kids
121:20 | 133:11,15 134:1,1 | known
175:18 |\n| jeffrey
3:16 | kind
49:9 73:23 | 134:14 135:5,6 | knows
53:10,12 |\n| jerking
57:13 | 96:5 122:23 138:8 | 136:12 141:16,17 | 136:6 173:24 |\n| jerry
170:17,18,24 | 146:15 151:15 | 141:24 142:1 | kong
18:16,18,20 |\n| 171:18 172:9,9 | 163:22 195:21 | 143:2,10,20 | 18:21,25 21:5 |\n| jkaplan
3:13 | 203:11 206:17 | 144:15 145:18 | 22:6,8 23:11,12,20 |\n| job
34:15 65:21 | kinds
141:18 | 146:10,13,24 | 23:22 24:3,7,8,12 |\n| 66:1 93:5 149:9 | knew
53:11 75:11 | 147:7,12,14,17,21 | 24:13,21,23 25:1,3 |\n| 149:17 151:11,13 | 136:5 | 150:19,21 151:20 | 25:3,3,6,7,16,19 |\n| 151:21 154:12,13 | | 152:17 153:1,2,14 | 27:10,15,16 30:5 |\n| | | | |\n\n#### **[kong - line]**\n\n| 31:23 32:1,3,4 | 189:20 191:6,9,16 | lawyer
126:17 | likes
197:6 |\n|----------------------|----------------------------------|------------------------|-------------------------|\n| 44:15,18 45:7,17 | 191:21 192:4 | 132:5 150:18 | limit
138:4,8 |\n| 45:22 | 193:20 194:1 | 172:1 | limited
2:22 4:21 |\n| korean
35:10 | 195:1,11 196:2 | lawyers
17:20,20 | 5:12 17:4 18:9,11 |\n| kwok
1:8 2:5 7:11 | 197:20 198:20 | 18:6 62:24 155:25 | 18:17 43:25 46:1 |\n| 8:8 37:25 38:11 | 199:19 200:4,24 | 208:2 | 47:21 51:24 52:14 |\n| 38:14 39:6 40:6 | 201:1,24 204:21 | learn
48:17 142:24 | 54:20 58:7 59:21 |\n| 41:16,24 42:4 | 205:11 206:1,14 | 191:1 | 90:18 91:16,24 |\n| 45:18,22 52:1,16 | 206:19 214:4 | learned
114:2,14 | 92:9 93:6 95:4 |\n| 52:16,22,22 53:5,7 | 216:1 | 114:25 134:4 | 98:3,23 99:12 |\n| 53:9,13,21 54:22 | kwok's
39:18 42:1 | 140:12 146:15 | 103:10 104:13 |\n| 58:9,16 66:7 68:2 | 74:15 76:22 87:19 | 162:10,23 163:7 | 110:18,20 111:12 |\n| 68:6,11,19 70:16 | 88:17 90:16 91:2 | 163:10 171:13 | 113:21 114:23 |\n| 72:3,9,17 74:11 | 97:3,22,22 98:4 | 176:9,12 | 115:8,12 117:6,10 |\n| 75:11,13,25 76:25 | 100:12,24 103:13 | lease
208:11,19 | 118:8,14 119:5 |\n| 77:1,4 81:4,9,15 | 104:5,9,14 110:25 | leased
111:6,12 | 120:12 121:4,16 |\n| 81:16,21 82:1,10 | 177:16 192:8,13 | leaving
25:2 127:5 | 122:2,8,14 124:11 |\n| 82:19,23 83:7 | 201:6 204:20 | 175:2 193:17 | 127:7,18 128:12 |\n| 84:15 85:1,10,10 | 206:9 | left
30:3 31:8 67:8 | 131:10 133:16 |\n| 85:13,19,23 86:8 | kwong
75:9 | legal
7:18,20 52:2 | 134:20 137:11 |\n| 88:18 89:5,5,13 | l | 59:22,25 60:12,14 | 148:18 156:7 |\n| 91:14 92:10 93:14 | l
3:5,6 38:14,23 | 61:13,21 107:2,5 | 157:3 158:18 |\n| 94:16 95:7,12 | | 182:18 209:11 | 160:22 163:22 |\n| 98:24 99:13 100:8 | 170:17 171:25 | 214:7 | 165:22 166:15 |\n| 101:4,12 102:17 | l.p.
2:12 9:21 | lender
42:3 131:25 | 168:10 169:25 |\n| 103:3 104:21 | l.p.'s
5:10
laid
164:15 | 132:6 146:16 | 172:10 175:14 |\n| 105:5,15,24 106:6 | language
30:1 | lenders
139:1 | 177:15 180:6 |\n| 106:15,23,24 | 39:23 50:2 62:25 | letter
153:9,13 | 186:10 192:3 |\n| 107:8,25 108:12 | 63:25 64:1 68:4,8 | license
51:21 | 193:19 195:5,7 |\n| 108:22 109:7 | 79:19 85:2,4 | licensed
51:14 | 206:14 |\n| 111:13 115:3,6 | 89:21 93:16,17 | life
61:5,8 195:25 | limited's
119:18 |\n| 118:6 119:10,20 | | 197:3 | 123:14 126:22 |\n| 119:22 121:3,23 | 148:2 | lifestyle
68:12 | 130:12 |\n| 121:25 122:6,21 | late
28:11 | 96:1 97:3,22 98:5 | limo
108:17 |\n| 136:18 139:13,18 | launched
175:18 | 98:24 99:9 100:12 | limousine
108:13 |\n| 140:14,21,23 | law
2:6,12,16,22 | 107:13 192:14 | 108:15 |\n| 149:21 151:7,14 | 3:5,11 15:14,24 | 193:20,23 194:3 | line
6:3,4,5,6,7,8,9 |\n| 172:19 176:23 | 17:23,25 60:25 | 194:15 196:6 | 6:10,11 22:4 23:9 |\n| 177:6,19 178:8,15 | 84:10 114:3 124:8 | lifetime
59:1 | 29:7 33:8 35:8 |\n| 178:17 186:1 | laws
168:21 | light
127:2 128:23 | 74:10 84:2,2 85:9 |\n| 187:7,10 189:1,16 | lawsuit
174:22 | 130:16 185:9 | 88:13 214:15 |\n| | | | |\n\n**[line - marked]**\n\n| 215:4 216:4,7,10 | 132:4,6,13,13 | locked
214:12 | m |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|---------------------|\n| 216:13,16,19 | 133:1,2,4,6,16,19 | 215:1 | m
2:15 38:14,23 |\n| lines
37:3 | 133:20 134:5,7,8 | long
80:24 81:8,14 | 171:25 |\n| liquid
127:6,17 | 136:18,23 137:4 | 84:1,13 85:19,22 | ma'am
20:24 |\n| 128:6 | 137:18 138:3,19 | 85:24 86:4,6 87:3 | 21:15 54:4 56:5 |\n| list
37:6 | 139:2,5,14 140:13 | 96:3,11,12 97:2,4 | 57:16 71:5 83:23 |\n| listen
65:14 | 140:21 142:21,23 | 97:6 98:18 103:18 | 88:3 91:8 98:1,9 |\n| 160:20 | 144:6,11,15,18 | 115:25 116:7,17 | 145:5 146:22 |\n| litigation
13:23 | 145:9,17,22 146:8 | 117:5,5 145:1,3 | 169:7 190:15 |\n| 14:6 37:13 38:8 | 146:10,14,21,25 | 164:11 165:3 | maintained |\n| 130:16 136:1,16 | 147:2,8,19 158:19 | 207:2 | 170:25 |\n| 136:23 170:7 | 158:20 159:2,6,14 | longer
96:15 | maintaining |\n| 176:19,24 177:8 | 159:16 160:25 | look
23:9 33:7 | 126:25 |\n| 177:16 178:16 | 162:11,13,24 | 35:2,8 46:25 55:9 | major
79:17 |\n| 180:10 182:20 | 163:11,15 176:17 | 88:13 122:22 | 123:20 |\n| 184:9 186:13,21 | 177:3 180:7 | 168:11 | majority
78:19 |\n| 187:17 188:25 | 185:12,14 186:4 | looking
29:7 49:10 | majorly
78:19 |\n| 191:17 206:2 | 186:12 188:5,9 | 50:4,5 51:5 60:7,8 | makenzie
3:19 |\n| 207:18 | 189:4,8,10,12,15 | 60:9 62:6 74:5 | 8:11 |\n| little
19:13 22:13 | 189:22,23 190:17 | 89:18 136:11 | making
97:21 |\n| 23:2,6 30:25 | 191:10 206:6 | 165:8 205:1 | 135:11 165:10 |\n| 32:25 37:8 44:7 | 207:13 | looks
19:19 31:13 | man's
101:5 |\n| 44:11 66:17 74:5 | loaned
177:7 | 85:4 149:2 197:25 | manage
155:7 |\n| 112:21 149:3 | loans
176:18,22 | loose
112:21 | 165:22 |\n| 152:6 162:14 | 177:11,12,15,22 | loss
130:2,3,12 | mandarin
3:17,18 |\n| 195:4 205:23 | 177:25 178:4,8,16 | lot
84:7 92:21 | 8:25,25 9:10,10 |\n| live
40:17 72:16 | 184:10,13,16 | 116:13 117:14 | 10:4,10 11:13,14 |\n| 115:22 202:1 | 186:13,21,21,22 | lots
48:17 | 53:4,5 54:13 |\n| 204:15 206:25 | 187:4,8,11,14,17 | loud
174:10 | manhattan
194:8 |\n| lived
42:4 72:4,20 | 187:21,25 188:5,8 | loudspeakers | 195:12 196:3 |\n| 115:25 116:18 | 188:9,25 189:3,9 | 174:10 | 199:4,5 |\n| lives
115:24 | 189:19 190:12,17 | love
65:15 94:23 | manning's
127:13 |\n| 199:18 201:20 | 191:2,5,17 206:2,4 | lowey
193:5,7 | march
5:7,15 |\n| living
37:25 40:8 | 207:17 | loyalty
154:11 | 18:13,14 134:15 |\n| 40:11,14,24 41:16 | located
27:9,11,18 | luck
114:20,24 | 166:7 168:8,15 |\n| 113:4 202:1 | 185:12 | 115:4,11 | mark
19:6 |\n| loan
37:11 42:3,13 | location
26:22 | lump
208:15 | marked
19:8,15 |\n| 66:13 94:21 | 42:12 72:2 124:24 | lunch
112:3,22 | 20:16 28:18 43:6 |\n| 125:15 129:1 | 158:4 | luncheon
112:15 | 55:11 166:24 |\n| 130:20 131:17,18 | locations
116:11 | | 209:18 |\n| 131:22,23,25 | | | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-28 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 260\n\n#### **[mary - mix]**\n\n| mary
171:25 | 120:21,22,24 | 93:13 94:3 95:9 | 75:25 76:25 |\n|----------------------|----------------------|---------------------|----------------------|\n| matter
37:4 72:15 | 121:20 123:10,17 | 128:7,8 188:19 | 108:24 110:9 |\n| 108:6 130:19 | 123:21 124:5,7 | 201:14 | million
142:23 |\n| 144:14 154:8,10 | 125:12 127:8,9 | media
7:8 209:10 | 143:2,11,21,24 |\n| 154:20 | 129:16,21 132:5 | medication
12:19 | 144:3 146:10 |\n| matters
10:21 | 135:4,11 136:2 | 13:13 | 177:8 179:9,12,20 |\n| 150:8 154:19 | 137:18 138:17 | meet
15:19,21,22 | 179:21 180:21 |\n| 178:25 | 139:24 141:25 | 15:23 16:2,5,21 | 181:8 182:11,13 |\n| maybach
108:13 | 142:5 144:21 | 18:5 80:8 139:19 | 183:12 184:3,9 |\n| 108:18,23 109:7 | 146:21 148:11 | 142:18 | 186:4,13 187:17 |\n| 109:10,19,21 | 149:24 151:14,17 | meeting
141:15 | 187:21 188:24 |\n| 110:7,21 111:12 | 152:14 155:7,8 | member
84:8 | 206:1 208:19 |\n| 111:18 | 158:1 161:25 | 119:22 120:17 | millions
178:25 |\n| mean
14:7 15:22 | 164:12,16,16,20 | 121:17,23,24 | miltenberger
18:2 |\n| 15:22,23 17:24 | 164:22 174:23 | 122:22 205:11 | mind
52:9 80:4 |\n| 21:21 23:21 25:11 | 177:12,13,19 | members
120:22 | 91:1 107:24 |\n| 27:11,12,12,17,18 | 179:13,23 180:15 | memory
13:14 | 194:23 |\n| 27:23 28:1 30:1 | 180:24 182:12,18 | 36:20,22 | mine
93:3 |\n| 30:19 31:25 33:21 | 183:17 184:21 | men's
101:8,11 | miniature
21:17 |\n| 34:6 36:4,7,10,14 | 188:1,3,9 189:4 | mention
198:11 | 21:18,21 |\n| 39:6 40:11,12,14 | 190:13 191:12 | mentioned
34:8 | minimal
208:20 |\n| 43:20 46:8,9,16 | 195:14,17,20 | 38:17 99:8 110:1 | minor
121:20 |\n| 48:8,16,21 50:3,10 | 196:10,12,14 | 117:21 118:5 | minute
168:2 |\n| 50:21 53:6 56:4,9 | 199:3,5,21,21,24 | 134:9 162:16 | minutes
17:9,9 |\n| 58:24 59:10 60:8 | 200:20 201:20,25 | 171:16 182:6,8 | 62:22 66:20 79:24 |\n| 60:23 62:18,19 | 202:24 203:2,6,15 | 184:5 190:16 | 80:8 85:21 97:13 |\n| 70:6 71:14 72:10 | 204:15 206:3,5,11 | 208:4 | 135:16 172:15 |\n| 72:11 73:1 80:6,8 | 206:21 208:11,11 | mentioning
185:6 | mischaracterize |\n| 81:23 82:8,11 | meaning
70:9 77:9 | mentions
66:6 | 161:7 |\n| 85:25 86:18 88:22 | 82:23 85:18 86:5 | merge
27:21 | mischaracterizes |\n| 89:12,17,23 92:1 | 86:20 89:20 93:25 | message
195:17 | 159:19 161:5 |\n| 92:22 93:16,16 | 104:9 105:4 | met
17:19 35:10 | missing
164:21 |\n| 96:1,4,5 97:5 98:6 | 121:10 125:1 | 35:19 40:13 74:17 | mistaken
128:8 |\n| 98:16 100:4,15,17 | 186:21 | 77:8,13 113:2,5,17 | misunderstanding |\n| 101:14 102:4,11 | means
58:17,20 | 140:15 145:8 | 200:16 |\n| 102:16 103:20,22 | 59:13 78:15 88:13 | 146:4 | misunderstood |\n| 105:12 108:9,14 | 89:25 91:3,21 | methods
203:11 | 30:16 39:24 |\n| 109:21 111:25 | 93:9,18 120:9 | miles
85:10 | 143:14 200:12 |\n| 114:16 116:13,19 | 134:2 135:5 142:3 | mileson
37:25 | mix
24:22 70:11 |\n| 118:18 119:7 | meant
49:14 55:1 | 38:11,23 39:6,8,18 | 80:2 |\n| 120:7,13,14,15,16 | 68:5 71:10 87:19 | 74:11 75:9,11,13 | |\n| | | | |\n\n**[mixed - new]**\n\n| mixed
99:25 | moved
22:6 23:11 | 151:17 163:1 | 30:4,4,11,18 31:2 |\n|----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|--------------------|\n| 100:22 | 23:22 27:21 28:4 | 173:18 185:6 | 31:14,22,23 32:1,2 |\n| mom
100:22 | 29:22 | 194:7,8,9 195:17 | 32:3,11,13,15 |\n| moment
12:10 | multiple
20:9 | 196:4,12 197:11 | 33:13,19 34:1,4,7 |\n| 15:24 17:19 19:9 | murray
2:15 | 199:7 203:6 | 34:13,17,25 35:21 |\n| 37:17 44:5 60:17 | muted
167:10 | 204:18 206:3 | 36:2,24 37:21 |\n| 69:1,3 87:14 99:8 | 174:11 | needed
69:21 70:2 | 38:1,2 40:9,10,11 |\n| 104:20 117:18 | myers
2:11 7:24 | 78:21 79:21 80:9 | 40:14,17,18,23,24 |\n| 119:17 120:11 | 8:12 209:13 | 89:21,25 139:19 | 41:2,4,7,16,18 |\n| 121:12 140:12 | mystery
194:24 | 139:21,23,24 | 42:2,6,21 43:25 |\n| 151:22 156:25 | n | 140:7 196:7 | 44:21,25 46:1,6,14 |\n| 171:3,12 179:14 | n
4:1 17:5 30:8 | 201:21 | 47:21 49:5,19 |\n| 190:16 193:22 | 38:14,22,23 39:9 | needs
89:16 92:11 | 51:24 52:14 54:20 |\n| money
114:17,22 | 39:12,13,14 86:14 | 92:18 97:22 98:5 | 57:8 58:7 59:21 |\n| 115:7,11 118:2,24 | 112:24 171:25 | 98:24 99:9 195:12 | 65:22 68:1 69:8 |\n| 118:25 122:1,7,20 | name
7:17 10:20 | 195:13 196:6 | 69:10,15 71:13,13 |\n| 127:17 128:11,14 | 17:5,18,23,25 18:4 | 202:20 206:20 | 72:1,1,4,8 73:22 |\n| 128:16,19,20 | 38:12,20,22,23,24 | neglected
87:22 | 81:3,6 90:18 |\n| 159:9,16 160:2,6 | 52:10 53:4,12,13 | negotiated
187:3,6 | 91:16,17,19,24 |\n| 160:14 161:23 | 53:19,24 54:12,13 | negotiating
191:4 | 92:9,17 93:6 95:4 |\n| 163:3,7,11 175:24 | 64:3 76:7,9,14 | negotiation
133:2 | 97:2 98:3,23 |\n| 176:4 178:11 | 134:11 147:15 | 133:5 | 99:11 103:10 |\n| 180:13 208:5 | 150:19 170:16 | neither
54:15 | 104:6,10,13,15,22 |\n| moneys
159:1,5 | 171:18 175:20 | 212:20 | 104:24 109:11,13 |\n| month
96:14,15 | 193:12,17 211:11 | nephew
84:9 | 109:18 110:7,15 |\n| 109:6 138:17 | named
93:17 | netherland
72:21 | 110:17,20,25 |\n| monthly
192:8,13 | 148:24 212:8 | never
29:13 30:24 | 111:11,17 113:2 |\n| months
19:4 73:21 | native
58:20 59:21 | 31:8,8,9 39:5,6 | 113:20,21 114:12 |\n| 73:25 77:20,21,24 | 64:1 79:19 93:17 | 74:23 79:6 81:17 | 114:23 115:8,12 |\n| 78:23 148:23 | 148:2 | 82:16 86:1,8 | 115:15 117:6,10 |\n| 149:3,7 173:7,17 | natural
96:5,7 | 104:21,24 173:4 | 118:3,8,14 119:5 |\n| morning
7:5,23 | necessarily
116:13 | 178:11 180:11 | 119:18 120:12 |\n| 8:1 10:3,19 | necessary
211:9 | 198:22 204:7 | 121:4,16 122:2,8 |\n| 181:11 185:1,1 | 214:14 215:3 | new
1:19,19 2:7,7 | 122:14 123:14 |\n| mother
11:6 29:25 | need
11:8 32:4 | 2:17,17,22 4:20 | 124:11 125:7 |\n| 39:22 50:2 | 46:25 52:5 63:22 | 5:4,12 7:1,1,10 | 126:22 127:7,18 |\n| move
25:9,11 | 66:17 70:2 98:11 | 8:3 10:12 14:23 | 128:12 129:14 |\n| 27:24 28:1,2 29:9 | 99:17 101:7,15 | 15:4 17:4 18:9,11 | 130:12 131:4,10 |\n| 30:1 31:14 65:12 | 106:9,20 107:18 | 18:15,17 23:24 | 132:19,21,22,23 |\n| 65:16 67:13 117:7 | 112:3 126:13 | 24:2,15,18 27:6 | 133:16 134:19 |\n| 129:10 | 136:8,10 143:17 | 28:9 29:10,23 | 135:2,9 137:10 |\n| | | | |\n\n**[new - okay]**\n\n| 140:25 148:12,18 | noting
156:22 | 52:2,18 54:23 | offer
81:24 92:2 |\n|-----------------------------|-------------------------------|----------------------------------|-------------------------------------|\n| 150:3,6,20 156:1,7 | november
4:24 | 65:11 71:16 90:2 | 111:16 120:9 |\n| 156:18 157:3 | number
7:13 10:6 | 92:13 94:17 95:18 | 154:22 |\n| 158:18 160:22 | 19:7 20:7 22:13 | 103:23 116:1 | offered
36:19 |\n| 163:22 164:14 | 28:15,17 43:4,5,10 | 121:5 122:9 123:4 | 93:18,22 120:24 |\n| 165:22 166:4,15 | 55:10 56:14 85:10 | 124:19 125:4 | office
115:17 |\n| 168:10 169:16,25 | 91:9 100:23 105:1 | 129:7,24 130:14 | 118:3 119:7 |\n| 174:16 175:14 | 157:1 166:23 | 140:6 153:11 | 123:21 124:6 |\n| 176:23 177:7,14 | 182:3 186:7 | 156:11 159:18 | 141:16,16,19,20 |\n| 178:1 180:5 181:5 | 187:19 198:5 | 161:4 165:5,17 | 141:21,21 157:18 |\n| 184:10,25 185:4 | 203:19,21 209:10 | 166:9 170:2 | 164:16,17,23 |\n| 186:10,15 187:4 | 209:17 212:7 | 191:23 193:1 | 181:17 182:17 |\n| 189:1 190:19 | 214:15 215:4 | 203:25 | 183:20 184:19,24 |\n| 192:3,12 193:18 | numbered
21:19 | objections
12:21 | 185:3,4 190:4 |\n| 194:2 195:5,7 | numbers
22:3,20 | 13:1 158:8 | 208:12 214:11 |\n| 199:23 201:10 | 22:22 32:24,25 | obvious
101:6 | officer
4:19 28:8 |\n| 206:8,13 207:15 | numerous
121:13 | 140:3 175:20 | 32:14 43:24 56:9 |\n| 208:8 209:9 | 204:2,4 | 193:15 | 123:8 175:13 |\n| nice
110:4 | nw
2:12 3:6 | obviously
54:15 | officers
37:9 |\n| nichols
3:16 7:17 | o | 65:15 86:1 93:20 | 148:17 |\n| niece
84:9 | | 95:23 100:18 | offices
140:25 |\n| | | | |\n| nine
29:3,5 | o
17:5 30:9 38:14 | 101:11 102:7 | official
76:14 |\n| nods
176:14 | 38:14,23,23,24 | 106:9,20 107:18 | officially
23:25 |\n| noise
171:6 | 39:9,12,13,13,14 | 109:2 117:15 | 24:17 40:22 |\n| nonpayment | 39:14 112:24 | 127:21 129:16 | 170:13 |\n| 168:17 172:23 | 116:22 147:16 | 137:6 140:2 | oh
22:23 25:22 |\n| normal
102:12 | 148:25 | 141:14 154:8 | 65:20 69:3 71:6,8 |\n| notary
57:20 | o'clock
67:2 112:8 | 170:24 171:19 | 86:23 96:3 109:20 |\n| notating
214:15 | 174:1 | 194:15 198:8 | 115:16 139:19 |\n| 215:4 | o'melveny
2:11 | 199:7,22 | 140:15 144:24 |\n| notations
207:16 | 7:24 8:12 209:13 | occasion
140:20 | 157:4 161:6 163:3 |\n| note
57:12 116:10 | oath
50:10 60:15 | 141:3 179:3 | 163:5 198:4 |\n| 129:8 158:6 | 61:14 64:25 | 180:18 | okay
9:25 10:24 |\n| 192:22,25 | object
20:10 26:22 | occasions
105:24 | 11:6,17,19 12:1,6 |\n| noted
111:22 | 65:3 120:1 122:17 | 131:20 179:15 | 12:9,16,19 13:2,3 |\n| notes
189:7,22 | 125:24 126:23 | occurred
136:24 | 13:10,21 14:21,24 |\n| 207:20 | 128:21 150:7
157:19 192:24 | october
4:14 13:23 | 15:11,16 18:5,22 |\n| notice
5:10 15:8 | 209:21 | 14:10,25 36:9 | 18:24 19:5,20 |\n| 209:19 | objection
16:11 | 73:16 75:10 77:14 | 20:18,23 22:3,24 |\n| noticed
125:18
160:23 | 26:1,20 38:3 | 78:11 79:13 96:17
171:9 173:8 | 23:8,16,18 24:9,20
25:9,21 27:20 |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-28 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 263 |\n|---------------|------------|----------------|---------------------------|----------|\n|---------------|------------|----------------|---------------------------|----------|\n\n**[okay - page]**\n\n| | 133:8 135:7 | 204:19 205:15,19 | originally
32:4 |\n|--------------------|-------------------|-----------------------|----------------------------------------|\n| 29:7,17 31:10,24 | 136:22 137:2,9,16 | 206:16,24 207:11 | 176:5 |\n| 32:20,24 33:7 | 138:6,9,12,15 | 207:21,24 208:21 | outcome
212:23 |\n| 34:15 35:8 37:25 | 139:4,10 140:17 | omm.com
2:14,19 | outfit
179:6 |\n| 38:17 39:3,8,18 | 141:2,11,23 142:2 | 2:19 | outside
16:14 |\n| 40:5 42:18 43:13 | 142:9,14 143:2 | once
13:23 69:22 | 31:20 114:8 |\n| 43:18 44:12 45:16 | 145:1 146:13 | 69:25 83:3,5 | outweighs
129:5 |\n| 47:4 48:4 50:15 | 148:1,17,22 149:6 | 105:20 109:7 | overstepping |\n| 51:7,16 52:7 | 149:16,19 150:11 | ones
190:1,1,2 | 130:17 |\n| 53:17 54:6,14 | 150:15,16,22 | online
196:21 | owned
18:18 |\n| 55:7,14 56:6,7,12 | 151:4 152:2,7,17 | 197:6 202:11,17 | 86:24 109:21,23 |\n| 56:15 57:4,12,25 | 153:4 155:15,17 | 202:19 203:13,16 | 115:17 206:8 |\n| 60:4,6,13,17 61:10 | 157:11,14 158:6 | ooooo
210:9 | owner
17:3 30:8 |\n| 61:25 66:16 67:17 | 158:10,14 160:9 | open
20:25 28:24 | 45:8 46:9 58:22 |\n| 67:22 69:22,24 | 161:11,22 162:7 | 43:14 55:19 56:16 | 78:17 86:18 91:18 |\n| 70:3,13,25 71:2,7 | 162:15 163:14,17 | opened
56:6 | 92:17 101:16 |\n| 73:3,10,15,18 74:3 | 163:19 164:1,5,9 | operate
46:6 118:3 | 119:12 122:24,24 |\n| 74:8 76:2,10 77:7 | 166:2,19 167:8,15 | operated
164:10 | 123:2,5 132:21,22 |\n| 77:16 79:5 82:22 | 168:1 169:1,24 | operating
97:14 | 133:7 137:7 |\n| 83:6,9,13,18 84:1 | 171:3,4,21 172:4 | 192:8,13 208:7,11 | 160:17 177:18 |\n| 84:22 85:15 87:1 | 172:11,18,21 | operation
127:9 | 181:19 |\n| 87:21 88:6,11 | 173:6,10 175:2,10 | 128:17 142:17,19 | ownership
37:8 |\n| 89:23 90:15,21,25 | 175:12,16 176:4,8 | 149:24 174:20 | owns
109:22 110:1 |\n| | | | |\n| 93:24 94:8 95:22 | 176:15,21,25 | 179:6 | 110:7,20 111:10 |\n| 96:16 97:7 98:14 | 177:2,6,11,25 | operations
179:8 | 111:17 122:6 |\n| 98:21 99:2,24 | 178:11,16,24 | 195:15 208:6,8,15 | 206:25 |\n| 100:7,23 101:24 | 179:3,14,18 | opinion
179:4 | |\n| 102:13,25 103:3 | 180:23 181:2,6,25 | 184:4 | p |\n| 104:20 105:10 | 183:4,10 185:5 | opportunity
2:12 | p
86:14 148:25 |\n| 106:4,12,22 | 186:2,4,8,18 | 5:10 9:21 181:22 | p.m.
174:4 209:6 |\n| 108:18,20 109:8 | 187:20 188:15,22 | oral
190:2,12 | 210:8 |\n| 110:4,16,24 | 189:9,21,24 190:6 | 191:2,5,17 207:17 | pacific
2:11 5:9 |\n| 111:19,21 112:11 | 190:11,24 192:11 | order
12:14 | 7:11,25 8:12,14 |\n| 112:23 113:1,3,16 | 192:16,19,22 | 111:12 162:12 | 9:20 174:22 175:7 |\n| 113:19 114:12 | 193:2,11,13,24 | organization | 209:13 |\n| 117:21 118:1,5,24 | 194:6,18 195:19 | 122:6 | page
4:3,11 5:2 |\n| 119:10 120:11,19 | 196:5,18,20 | organized
168:13 | 6:3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 |\n| 120:22 121:2 | 197:10,23 198:11 | orient
73:16 | 6:11 21:10,14,16 |\n| 123:20 124:4 | 198:14 199:17 | original
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29:5 32:24,25,25 |\n\n**[page - please]**\n\n| 33:7 35:4 46:23 | parties
42:12 | 146:17 187:1 | 207:3,9 |\n|----------------------|----------------------|----------------------|----------------------|\n| 47:3,4,7 55:22 | party
47:11 84:7 | perfect
11:10 | personally
41:2,6 |\n| 56:16,21,22 57:1,4 | 212:21 | perform
149:9 | 90:5 155:5,17,21 |\n| 57:12,14,15,25 | pass
36:11 | performed
26:19 | 191:4,20 |\n| 63:2 73:15 74:3,8 | passed
49:2 | 26:19,23 95:12 | personnel
15:19 |\n| 83:18 84:1 88:8 | patience
166:25 | period
24:6 25:2 | 16:22 193:18 |\n| 88:13 167:11,22 | 205:22 209:3 | 25:25 58:12 | pertains
20:5 |\n| 170:17 212:11 | pax
13:24 14:4,10 | 134:23 156:3 | phone
70:10 80:2 |\n| 214:15 215:4 | 125:13 127:3 | 203:10 214:18 | physical
26:22 |\n| 216:4,7,10,13,16 | 128:24 129:15,16 | 215:7 | 157:20 |\n| 216:19 | 129:18,19 | perjury
211:12 | physically
25:6 |\n| pages
4:15,18,22 | pay
68:11 81:17 | 214:17 215:6 | 27:9,11,18 196:20 |\n| 4:25 5:8,16 20:20 | 81:17 95:24 111:8 | permanent
27:25 | picked
35:24 |\n| 21:17,18,21,25 | 120:23 145:19 | permanently | picky
152:15 |\n| 22:21,22 23:3 | 146:16,17,23 | 27:21,23 | piece
60:14 |\n| 74:5 88:8 214:14 | 148:12 177:8 | permission
106:16 | ping
1:17 4:13,23 |\n| 214:17,17 215:3,6 | 194:2,7,8 206:4,6 | 107:10,25 142:16 | 9:18 56:17 211:4 |\n| 215:6 | 206:14,15,22 | persecuted
48:10 | 212:8 214:1,5 |\n| paid
97:23 98:5 | paying
97:3,16 | person
11:22 | 216:2 |\n| 109:11 120:10 | 99:12 109:17 | 15:22 16:2 39:1,7 | place
161:20 |\n| 121:1 122:1 | 208:11,12 | 59:22 60:15 61:13 | 212:11 |\n| 123:23 147:22 | payment
99:18 | 70:10,22,24 74:18 | places
27:19 |\n| 151:14 186:23 | pays
81:17 109:13 | 77:10,14 79:17 | plainly
66:4,4 |\n| 202:5,7 | 109:13 110:25 | 80:2,14 84:24 | 170:9 |\n| pair
196:8 | 195:1,5 | 86:11 87:8 110:3 | plan
117:16,19 |\n| pangu
86:14,14,16 | pd
20:19 | 113:1 119:12 | 118:22 119:14 |\n| 86:24 | pdf
20:19 28:23 | 139:7 147:17 | 124:5 183:18 |\n| paperwork
60:12 | 172:8 214:12 | 150:23 151:1 | planned
119:3 |\n| 60:14 61:22,23 | 215:1 | 152:8,17,23,25 | planning
115:18 |\n| 164:21 170:21 | pearl
2:22 | 153:20 154:4 | plans
26:14 27:4 |\n| paragraph
168:2 | penalty
211:12 | 155:18,21 157:12 | playing
153:14 |\n| 168:11 | 214:16 215:5 | 160:21 192:23 | please
7:21 8:18 |\n| parents
100:16 | pending
126:20 | 206:11 | 8:21 9:6,15 10:1,8 |\n| part
36:19 80:13 | 130:16 | person's
38:20 | 11:14 12:2,11 |\n| 93:7 101:22 | people
34:12 | 155:6 193:17 | 13:6 20:4,25 26:2 |\n| 102:11 119:2 | 85:17 120:18 | personal
65:15 | 28:23 32:25 38:12 |\n| 121:3,8 124:22 | 121:14,18 152:12 | 90:9 92:11 133:18 | 39:17 40:19 41:21 |\n| 160:19,19 206:12 | 152:14 154:7,18 | 133:23 143:25 | 44:5,20 54:5,8 |\n| particular
63:13 | 157:15,17 202:24 | 149:8,11 150:9 | 55:19 56:21 57:14 |\n| 111:18 165:7 | percent
18:18 | 156:13 191:24 | 59:15 66:19 67:15 |\n| 180:3 | 65:22 146:11,16 | 197:3 206:24 | 70:13 83:13,18 |\n| | | | |\n\n## **[please - providing]**\n\n| prefer
12:13 39:21 | pretty
45:15 66:11 | 50:19,22 51:10,18 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|---------------------|\n| 53:19 | 101:6 152:14 | 146:17 154:19 |\n| preference
12:22 | 203:19 | profile
201:12 |\n| prep
162:12 163:1 | prevailed
179:4 | profit
118:15,19 |\n| preparation
16:3 | 183:11 184:4 | 118:23 119:14 |\n| prepare
15:11,12 | previous
153:5 | 129:13,21,22 |\n| 15:20 16:10,23 | 154:7,12,20,25 | profits
14:19,19 |\n| 17:2,11,15,20 18:6 | 156:20 | project
118:9,21 |\n| 192:12 | previously
156:9 | 174:25 175:3,9,9 |\n| prepared
15:14 | prior
20:8 24:20 | 179:25 181:4 |\n| 44:3 61:5 62:24 | 44:25 153:17,18 | 182:6,12 183:15 |\n| preparing
15:25 | 155:6 | 184:5 |\n| prepped
144:24 | private
164:17 | projects
118:4,7 |\n| 145:20 | privilege
146:1 | 118:23,23 174:21 |\n| present
3:19 42:12 | privileged
16:20 | 181:3,8 |\n| 158:10 171:17 | probably
148:7 | promise
196:22 |\n| 186:2 | 192:17 195:23 | promptly
207:15 |\n| presents
158:4 | problem
12:14 | pronounce
17:23 |\n| president
42:22,25 | 32:2,7 40:1 54:9 | 17:24 39:23 54:12 |\n| 45:24 46:12 47:20 | 62:21 112:5 126:2 | proper
125:20 |\n| 49:4 51:24 52:14 | 153:24 166:15 | 165:24 |\n| 54:19 58:6 65:21 | 173:5,6 | properly
164:11 |\n| 67:25 68:16,18,23 | procedure
5:14 | 164:12 |\n| 90:17 91:15,23 | 214:19,20 | property
183:15 |\n| 92:9,16 93:5 95:6 | proceed
10:15 | prospective |\n| 97:19 98:2,22 | 11:11 20:3,13 | 122:23 174:25 |\n| 99:11 104:12 | 21:4 174:14 | 175:2 |\n| 105:7 110:18 | proceeding
11:4 | protonmail.com |\n| 134:18 136:4 | 14:17 156:20 | 214:2 |\n| 137:9 141:24 | 196:6 | proud
50:8 |\n| 142:5,9 148:24 | proceedings
9:1 | provide
13:19 |\n| 151:10 152:11 | 9:11 | 134:21 135:2,9 |\n| 155:8 159:12 | proceeds
129:2 | provided
114:17 |\n| 164:6 165:11,15 | process
99:17 | 136:17 156:9 |\n| 166:3 174:17,18 | 101:22 106:13 | 214:19 215:8 |\n| 175:5 178:3,22 | 154:25 | provider
154:3 |\n| 180:5 181:16 | produce
186:10 | provides
60:15 |\n| 195:6,20 | 207:15 | 61:14 |\n| pressing
30:25 | professional
46:14 | providing
99:12 |\n| pretend
101:25 | 46:16 47:14,15,22 | 169:11 |\n| 197:22 | 49:8,9,13,20,25 | |\n| | | |\n\nof 280\n\n**question** [11:12,12](#page-35-0) [12:3,5,11,13](#page-36-0) [14:12](#page-38-0)\n\n**pullcom.com** [3:13](#page-27-0) **pullman** [3:10](#page-27-0) [8:5](#page-32-0) [77:17,22](#page-101-0) [78:12](#page-102-0) [79:14,17](#page-103-0) [80:17,21](#page-104-0) [81:4,7,10,13,19](#page-105-0)\n\n> [99:4](#page-123-0) [100:15](#page-124-0) [104:17](#page-128-0) [106:2,10](#page-130-0) [106:21](#page-130-0) [107:14,16](#page-131-0) [107:19,24](#page-131-0) [109:23](#page-133-0) [110:10](#page-134-0) [113:10,12](#page-137-0) [113:23](#page-137-0) [114:14](#page-138-0) [115:2,17,17,22](#page-139-0) [116:6,18](#page-140-0) [117:7,13](#page-141-0) [134:6,22](#page-158-0) [135:1,8](#page-159-0) [135:18](#page-159-0) [136:2,3](#page-160-0)\n\n[70:10](#page-94-0) [75:22](#page-99-0) [76:9](#page-100-0) [76:12,25](#page-100-0) [77:9,13](#page-101-0)\n\n[86:21](#page-110-0) [89:14](#page-113-0) [90:19](#page-114-0) [92:3](#page-116-0) [94:9](#page-118-0) [95:23](#page-119-0) [96:9](#page-120-0) [97:14](#page-121-0) [98:15](#page-122-0)\n\n[191:3,8](#page-215-0) [194:16,16](#page-218-0) [195:24,25](#page-219-0) [199:4,8](#page-223-0) [199:11,12,15,17](#page-223-0) [199:22](#page-223-0) [200:8](#page-224-0) [201:7,12](#page-225-0) [206:11](#page-230-0)\n\n[206:21](#page-230-0) **quality** [154:9](#page-178-0) **quarrel** [96:6](#page-120-0)\n\n[137:4,13](#page-161-0) [138:21](#page-162-0) [139:11](#page-163-0) [142:15](#page-166-0) [143:1,4](#page-167-0) [144:2](#page-168-0) [147:18](#page-171-0) [148:3,5,10](#page-172-0) [148:19](#page-172-0) [157:8](#page-181-0) [159:3,7,10,22](#page-183-0) [161:2](#page-185-0) [163:12](#page-187-0) [164:18](#page-188-0) [165:21](#page-189-0) [170:18](#page-194-0) [172:7,12](#page-196-0) [175:12,17](#page-199-0) [177:18](#page-201-0) [178:2,6,15,20,23](#page-202-0) [179:16](#page-203-0) [180:7,20](#page-204-0) [182:19](#page-206-0) [183:1,5](#page-207-0) [187:5](#page-211-0) [189:20](#page-213-0) [59:14,18,20](#page-83-0) [62:12](#page-86-0) [63:6,15,18,22](#page-87-0) [64:16](#page-88-0) [66:6,15](#page-90-0) [67:9,16,24](#page-91-0) [68:15](#page-92-0) [71:11,22](#page-95-0) [74:9,9,11](#page-98-0) [74:14,15,17,20,23](#page-98-0) [75:8,9](#page-99-0) [76:20,22,24](#page-100-0) [77:7,8,16,17](#page-101-0) [78:5](#page-102-0) [78:9,10,13](#page-102-0) [79:5,6](#page-103-0) [79:9,12](#page-103-0) [80:9,19](#page-104-0) [81:13](#page-105-0) [82:16](#page-106-0) [84:24](#page-108-0) [85:20](#page-109-0) [88:14,15,22](#page-112-0) [90:22](#page-114-0) [96:8,11](#page-120-0) [97:25](#page-121-0) [98:7,25](#page-122-0)\n\n| 155:11 156:25
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6:1 | | |\n| 13:15 26:16,18,25 | | |\n| 27:7 37:3,7 63:1,8 | | |\n| 63:16 67:10 87:17 | | |\n| 128:4 129:1 | 71:11,22 74:9,9,11 | |\n| 130:17 153:15 | 74:14,15,17,20,23 | |\n| 180:17 205:24 | 75:8,9 76:20,22,24 | |\n| 208:22,25 209:4 | 77:7,8,16,17 78:5 | |\n| quick
166:20 | 78:9,10,13 79:5,6 | |\n| quite
31:15 134:23 | 79:9,12 80:9,19 | |\n| 170:5 199:5 | 81:13 82:16 84:24 | |\n| quote
162:5,5 | 85:20 88:14,15,22 | r |\n| | | |\n| 90:22 96:8,11 | | |\n| r
116:22 147:15,16
97:25 98:7,25 | | |\n| 216:3,3
102:15 103:25 | | |\n| r&s
215:1,9
109:10 116:17 | | |\n| raise
8:20 9:5,15
119:21 121:2,6 | | |\n| raised
90:23
122:10 123:13 | | |\n| range
104:5 108:8
125:3,19,21 | 126:20,24 128:5 | |\n| rate
186:24 187:3 | | |\n| 187:7,11,13
130:4 131:6,12 | | |\n| 189:16
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67:9,16,24 68:15 | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n[144:12](#page-168-0) [145:3,25](#page-169-0) [147:9,25](#page-171-0) [150:8](#page-174-0)\n\n## **[public's - read]**\n\n**public's** [57:20](#page-81-0) **pull** [192:14](#page-216-0) [201:23](#page-225-0)\n\n**pulled** [32:21](#page-56-0)\n\n**purchase** [105:2,6](#page-129-0) [105:11,15,18,25](#page-129-0) [106:6,23](#page-130-0) [107:15](#page-131-0) [197:9](#page-221-0) [198:8,25](#page-222-0) [199:8](#page-223-0) [200:4,9,25](#page-224-0) [201:1,7,11,24,25](#page-225-0) [202:18](#page-226-0) [203:11](#page-227-0) [204:17,18](#page-228-0)\n\n**purchased** [100:25](#page-124-0) [101:4](#page-125-0) [110:10](#page-134-0) [181:13](#page-205-0) [198:9](#page-222-0) [199:9](#page-223-0) [201:22](#page-225-0) **purchases** [203:8](#page-227-0) **purpose** [38:7](#page-62-0) [115:15](#page-139-0) [116:5](#page-140-0) [118:1](#page-142-0) [164:25](#page-188-0) **purposely** [75:23](#page-99-0)\n\n[164:22](#page-188-0)\n\n[212:18](#page-236-0) **put** [21:4](#page-45-0) [29:8](#page-53-0) [44:10](#page-68-0) [84:6,11](#page-108-0) [126:10,13](#page-150-0) [166:19](#page-190-0) [175:19](#page-199-0) [209:23,23](#page-233-0)\n\n**putative** [42:3](#page-66-0)\n\n**q**\n\n**qiang** [17:4](#page-41-0) [24:24](#page-48-0) [30:8](#page-54-0) [31:25](#page-55-0) [32:5](#page-56-0) [34:14](#page-58-0) [38:21](#page-62-0) [39:12](#page-63-0) [39:21](#page-63-0) [40:3,8,17,24](#page-64-0) [41:6](#page-65-0) [45:9](#page-69-0) [46:2](#page-70-0) [48:9](#page-72-0) [53:20](#page-77-0) [55:3](#page-79-0) [68:10,24](#page-92-0) [69:10,18](#page-93-0)\n\n**purposes** [18:19](#page-42-0) [109:5](#page-133-0) [117:11](#page-141-0) [156:21](#page-180-0) [158:10](#page-182-0) **pursuant** [5:12](#page-29-0)\n\n**[read - relitigate]**\n\n| 64:14 66:1 68:4 | recall
13:25 14:15 | recess
66:24 | reframe
80:19 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 75:1 84:3,17,19 | 14:16 19:2 25:22 | 112:15 126:1,6 | refresh
21:3 35:25 |\n| 93:4 144:18 145:9 | 25:23 32:18 33:25 | 174:5 | 36:20,22 169:1 |\n| 146:8 157:23 | 34:23,24 35:1 | recited
95:3 96:10 | refreshes
169:14 |\n| 168:24 170:14 | 40:23 41:5,10,12 | recognize
43:16 | refused
106:5 |\n| 171:17 203:4,7,14 | 44:3,4,16 45:12,13 | recognized
43:22 | 178:17,20,22 |\n| 203:15 205:14,17 | 45:16,23 59:2,4,6 | recollect
14:2 | regard
74:24 |\n| 211:5 | 59:8 60:22,22 | recollection
21:3 | 79:14 80:10 |\n| reading
13:4,9 | 61:2,9 64:19,20,22 | 35:25 64:17 151:5 | regarding
30:6 |\n| 31:14 36:22 37:18 | 65:5,7,8 67:8 68:5 | 151:6 169:2,14 | 51:4 180:25 |\n| 39:17 85:2,4 | 69:20,23,24 70:1 | 187:18 | regards
79:7 |\n| 146:15 214:23 | 70:18 71:1,6 73:9 | reconvening
112:7 | 141:4 |\n| 215:9 | 80:24 82:7,9,11,12 | record
7:6,22 | regiment
195:24 |\n| reads
22:5 33:10 | 82:17,18,21 83:2,8 | 29:18,19 66:11,22 | register
4:19 |\n| real
47:15 51:9,13 | 87:10,11,17 90:13 | 67:1 112:13,17 | 43:24 56:10 |\n| 51:17 86:5 114:10 | 96:3,13,18,21,23 | 116:10 126:4,8,11 | regular
151:15,16 |\n| 115:20 117:21,24 | 97:1,5,5,9,11,16 | 126:14 157:23 | 201:8 |\n| 117:24 118:9,11 | 97:17 100:9 103:8 | 158:6 165:18 | regularly
150:25 |\n| 166:20 180:4 | 104:7,8,11,18 | 166:10 170:25,25 | reject
106:10,11 |\n| 181:4 182:6 | 105:12,16,19,23 | 174:3,7 192:23 | 194:17,19 |\n| 183:15,19 184:4 | 106:9,25 110:23 | 200:22 209:5 | rejection
178:23 |\n| 194:24 | 115:5,10 117:8 | recorded
7:8 86:1 | related
39:8,10 |\n| really
26:6 65:12 | 127:25 134:11,12 | 189:8 190:12,13 | 80:22 114:10 |\n| 80:14 97:1 103:12 | 134:13 139:15,17 | 190:18,21 | 118:11 130:7 |\n| 121:10 142:1 | 140:19,20 141:2 | recorder
85:3 | 146:18 194:3 |\n| 195:1 197:19 | 145:23,24 147:10 | records
23:25 | 212:21 |\n| 200:2,2 | 147:12,13 149:18 | 189:11 207:16 | relates
26:3 |\n| realtor
51:13,14 | 149:19,23,24 | recruitment | relationship
18:16 |\n| reason
13:18,20 | 166:11,13,16 | 152:11 | 42:2 45:1 129:20 |\n| 24:25 39:22 50:17 | 169:10 171:11,21 | refer
18:20 22:20 | 175:7 |\n| 53:9 75:14 76:11 | 171:23,24 172:1 | 30:7 38:21 39:17 | relatively
36:8 |\n| 84:12 87:21 97:15 | 178:10 186:3,6 | 52:10 53:20 84:25 | relatives
85:16 |\n| 119:21 125:12 | 187:9,12 191:11 | reference
44:25 | released
214:21 |\n| 153:7 154:21 | 191:13,19 193:10 | 155:2,18 | relevance
38:5 |\n| 172:22 173:12,14 | 194:5,12 206:10 | referenced
214:6 | 41:22 42:6,11 |\n| 175:20 181:15 | recap
188:23 | referred
24:25 | 116:2 |\n| 195:12 216:6,9,12 | receipts
99:22 | 207:17 | relevancy
129:5 |\n| 216:15,18,21 | receive
100:1,8 | referring
22:4 | relevant
65:18 |\n| reasons
71:17 | 148:6,15,16 | 38:16 39:1 85:5 | 66:4,4 |\n| 125:17 172:25 | received
100:5 | 90:3,4 | relitigate
38:7 |\n| 173:1 | | | |\n| | | | |\n\n**[rely - right]**\n\n| rely
54:15 | replaced
148:23 | requested
46:5,10 | revert
24:4,5 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|-----------------------|\n| remain
165:9 | 149:6 | 90:19 92:3 100:15 | review
15:6,10,16 |\n| remained
174:11 | replied
32:12 | 104:17 134:8 | 15:18 99:16 |\n| remember
14:1 | 33:20 183:14 | 173:21 177:11,12 | 100:11 101:21,24 |\n| 18:3 28:12 30:20 | 185:20 188:20 | 177:14,17 178:5 | 195:10 196:10 |\n| 35:9 36:7,11,15 | reply
123:18 169:6 | 192:14 201:23 | 199:1 200:6,10 |\n| 37:19 61:18 63:15 | 195:19 | 212:19 215:1,9,10 | 201:5 212:19 |\n| 63:20 79:25 85:25 | report
101:15 | requesting
92:18 | 214:8,10,13 215:2 |\n| 98:17 105:14 | 106:10 107:16 | 119:13 190:7 | revival
5:6 166:13 |\n| 109:20 138:17,22 | 151:19 168:18 | requests
131:3 | 166:14 167:16 |\n| 155:1 166:20 | 172:24 194:16 | 194:1,11,12 | 168:19 173:8 |\n| 169:9 171:10 | reported
1:25 | require
107:23 | rewinding
87:13 |\n| 176:15,19 186:25 | reporter
7:19 8:18 | reserve
20:10 | rhythm
151:20 |\n| 187:1,2,15 191:15 | 8:20 9:5,15,25 | 158:7 | right
8:20 9:5,15 |\n| 192:17,18 196:13 | 10:7,13 11:22 | reserved
13:1 | 18:13 20:10 21:14 |\n| remind
162:3 | 76:18 210:2,5 | reside
71:13,15 | 21:15 22:16 23:1 |\n| 166:17 | 212:6 | 72:2,5,8 73:1 | 23:6 24:16 30:3 |\n| reminded
36:13 | reports
192:9,13 | resided
72:24 | 31:13 33:24 36:13 |\n| 159:14 | represent
7:25 | residence
71:18 | 36:15,18 39:15 |\n| reminding
67:22 | 14:9 172:11,19 | 206:9,25 | 40:6,7 42:24 |\n| reminds
71:10 | representation | resolved
149:11 | 48:15,17 51:4,14 |\n| remote
1:14 | 25:4 | respect
129:3 | 53:2,23,25 54:1 |\n| remotely
11:21 | representative | 156:14,20 182:24 | 56:1,4,18 57:1,15 |\n| 146:1 | 1:16 9:19 15:3 | 182:24 190:11 | 59:23 60:25 61:7 |\n| render
211:9 | 44:24 90:9 | 201:6 | 61:15,24 62:20 |\n| rent
161:20 | represented | respected
165:16 | 64:5 65:18 66:7 |\n| 206:21 | 156:18 172:7 | response
47:5 | 69:4,15 73:20 |\n| rented
111:12 | representing
8:3,5 | rest
151:13 | 75:20 76:3,7,12 |\n| reopen
158:24 | 8:8,10,12 | restroom
66:18 | 79:12,23 82:13 |\n| repaid
158:18,21 | represents
26:8 | result
181:23 | 88:2 89:5,16 91:6 |\n| 163:15 184:11 | 172:9 | 212:22 | 91:25 92:11,20 |\n| repay
206:1 | request
45:11 | retained
138:25 | 94:4,6,10,21 98:8 |\n| repeat
16:16 49:23 | 58:23 99:5 106:5 | 147:18 209:11 | 98:19 101:6,15 |\n| 52:18 54:3,8 | 111:22 131:9 | return
25:25 | 102:4,17 103:10 |\n| 92:15 97:25 131:8 | 132:18,23 133:3 | 214:17 215:6 | 106:19 108:1,20 |\n| 143:17 147:4 | 133:15,20 134:4 | returned
149:12 | 110:8 111:1,23 |\n| 152:20 | 134:14 156:21 | returning
123:13 | 116:24 117:9 |\n| repeated
156:19 | 186:9,9,16 192:16 | returns
123:15 | 119:16 121:21 |\n| rephrase
12:12 | 195:22 207:12,12 | revenue
118:20 | 124:6 125:15 |\n| 191:25 | 207:14 | 123:23 124:7,7 | 127:11,22 128:2 |\n| | | | 129:16 130:13 |\n| | | | |\n\n### **[right - see]**\n\n| 131:17 132:5 | 52:2,18 54:23 | s | 170:4 186:9 190:6 |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|------------------------------|-----------------------|\n| 135:24 136:20 | 65:11,18 66:10 | s
2:5 4:9 5:4 18:15 | 192:23 196:22 |\n| 137:2 141:6,25 | 67:14 71:16,23 | 34:1 38:14,23 | 207:1,12 |\n| 142:7 145:11 | 90:2,12,22 92:13 | 81:6 115:15 125:7 | screen
172:22 |\n| 148:13,22,25 | 94:17 95:18 | 147:15,16 148:25 | 209:24 |\n| 149:4,13,14,15 | 103:23 111:15,20 | 171:25 185:4 | scroll
88:7 |\n| 151:18 154:9,16 | 111:22 112:10 | 216:3 | seat
116:13 |\n| 155:10 158:7 | 116:1,10 119:24 | safe
108:25 141:8 | second
19:11,19 |\n| 159:17 160:19 | 121:5 122:9,17 | safety
125:12 | 19:25 20:1 50:7 |\n| 162:2,18 163:3 | 123:4 124:19 | 153:7 196:1 | 55:3 70:13 84:5 |\n| 167:10,22 171:16 | 125:24 126:12,18 | | 119:25 151:23 |\n| 172:2 173:16 | 126:23 128:3,21 | saks
197:21 | 166:18 176:22 |\n| 177:2,20 179:16 | 129:11,24 130:14 | 198:16,19 | 188:21 207:25 |\n| 179:17 181:9,17 | 131:1 140:6,8 | sarnoff
2:15 8:13
8:13 | seconds
132:8 |\n| 181:19,25 183:2,3 | 143:12 150:7,16 | saved
44:7 205:23 | 138:20 163:17 |\n| 183:18,21 189:17 | 153:11,14 156:8 | saw
23:15 50:18 | 205:20 |\n| 190:19 194:20 | 157:19 158:12 | 140:23 145:16,21 | secret
132:17 |\n| 197:13,14 198:12 | 159:18 161:4,8 | 199:6 | secretary
42:23,25 |\n| 200:10 202:20 | 165:5,17 166:9 | saying
54:13 65:25 | 45:25 46:13 47:20 |\n| 203:16 204:15 | 170:2,11 186:16 | 92:12 94:13 95:1 | 49:4 97:20 98:2 |\n| 207:20 208:21 | 187:23 188:13 | says
20:1,19 51:8 | 110:19 134:18 |\n| 209:2 210:1 | 190:8 191:23 | 56:13,17 58:5 | 142:6 166:4 |\n| rights
127:2 | 193:3 203:25 | 84:5 89:9 107:8 | secured
3:10 |\n| risk
158:4 175:20 | 204:2 207:7,20,22 | 167:23,23,24 | 108:25 |\n| role
46:12 68:14 | 209:21,23 210:2,4 | 168:2,12 172:22 | securities
198:6 |\n| 68:16,22 70:17 | 210:6 | 197:24 | security
71:16 |\n| 74:20 77:18,23 | rosen's
17:22 | schedule
214:10 | 124:19 150:9 |\n| 78:1,12,15 79:2,3 | rough
210:5 | schedules
191:21 | 157:20,23 158:4 |\n| 90:15 97:19,21 | rudnick
2:4 8:7,10 | 192:5 | 185:9 195:23 |\n| 98:4,6,21 180:15 | 18:6 | scheme
124:23 | 196:2 |\n| 180:17 | rule
5:13 212:18 | scope
20:12 41:25 | see
19:15 20:15,18 |\n| roles
47:19 142:15 | rules
5:14 164:5 | 65:22 130:18 | 20:19 21:18 22:1 |\n| 149:3 | 164:14 215:8 | scott
2:21 8:2 | 22:11 23:10,13 |\n| room
3:6 | run
46:6 195:15 | 12:24 13:5 17:22 | 26:13 28:20 29:15 |\n| rosen
2:21 8:1,2 | running
79:17,20 | 17:25 42:16 65:2 | 32:1 36:20 41:2 |\n| 12:20,25 13:3,7 | 80:14 97:14 | 65:14 67:7 71:22 | 42:11 57:6,10,20 |\n| 16:11 17:25 19:21 | russo
3:19 8:11,11 | 73:4 87:2 90:6 | 57:23 58:13 71:7 |\n| 19:23 20:3,10 | 19:14 | 125:1 126:10,18 | 76:5 83:10 88:14 |\n| 26:1,13,25 37:1 | | 130:25 145:25 | 89:1 114:21 |\n| 38:3 41:19 42:9 | | 150:12 156:16 | 122:20 136:7 |\n| 42:17 44:19 45:3 | | 157:25 161:6 | 148:7 149:10 |\n| | | | |\n\n**[see - sort]**\n\n| 167:15 168:6 | seven
5:15 35:8 | 185:23,24 186:2 | 185:3,7 195:23 | |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|--|\n| 196:13 197:7 | 46:23 47:8 | 188:10,11 189:15 | 199:25 200:13 | |\n| 198:3,6,7 204:16 | seventh
85:11 | 189:16 | 208:17 | |\n| 205:6 | shea
2:21 8:2 | signing
12:21 13:4 | sister
84:10 | |\n| seeing
169:13 | sherry
72:21 | 13:8 64:12,24 | sit
19:10 | |\n| seen
41:6 145:23 | shoes
196:8,14 | 171:10 | six
47:1,3,4 73:21 | |\n| 184:15 | 198:19 201:7 | silverberg
2:5 8:9 | 73:25 77:20,24 | |\n| sees
197:21 201:2 | shop
196:21 197:6 | 8:9 | 78:22 88:8,14 | |\n| send
141:4 154:22 | 199:7 201:9,9 | similarly
50:10 | 173:7,17 | |\n| 195:16 201:10 | shopping
199:6,24 | simple
49:16 | sixty
74:3,8 | |\n| sends
202:10 | 203:16 | 155:11 | size
130:11 | |\n| sense
32:5 70:7 | shops
196:19,20 | simply
26:16 | skill
154:18 | |\n| 120:13 202:2 | 197:6,7 199:4,22 | single
63:18 | slow
19:13 | |\n| sensitive
128:25 | 201:8 | 105:14 | small
22:22 88:8 | |\n| 130:8 | short
66:24 125:25 | sir
12:7,17 13:20 | 195:21 196:4 | |\n| sensitivity
156:10 | 126:6 134:23 | 14:7 16:15 20:19 | social
141:5 | |\n| sent
21:24 | 136:4 138:4,8 | 21:14 22:12 25:11 | solicit
137:16 | |\n| sentence
51:7 58:4 | 173:21 174:5 | 27:13,23 32:5,12 | solutions
7:18,20 | |\n| 58:13 61:16 62:23 | shorthand
212:5 | 33:20 36:3 37:24 | 209:11 214:7 | |\n| 84:17 | show
19:5 21:7 | 38:12,16,24 39:15 | somebody
113:25 | |\n| sentences
47:17 | 26:2 28:13 43:3 | 39:20 40:7,11 | 155:22 | |\n| separate
202:3 | shown
47:6 | 43:11,20 45:20 | son
39:13,18 40:6 | |\n| september
22:7 | shulman
170:17 | 46:17 47:25 49:11 | 74:15 76:22 77:1 | |\n| seriously
174:23 | 170:24 171:18,22 | 50:4 51:4 52:6 | 77:5 84:8 85:11 | |\n| serve
51:25 52:15 | 171:24 172:9,11 | 56:3,5 61:8 62:12 | 96:4 106:16,23 | |\n| 54:21 58:8 69:11 | 172:18 | 63:16 64:8,22 | 177:22 180:11 | |\n| 88:16 119:8 | shut
124:21 | 67:21 69:3,16 | 199:20 | |\n| served
68:1,19,24 | sic
61:18 103:6 | 71:3 72:10,22 | son's
89:21 107:10 | |\n| 95:6 | side
183:8 | 76:4 78:5,6 80:19 | sorry
15:21 16:15 | |\n| service
93:18 | sign
92:21 185:21 | 82:11 83:22 84:22 | 19:12 22:25 23:8 | |\n| 95:12 120:24 | 214:16 215:5 | 88:2 91:6 92:1,24 | 44:6 45:19 46:20 | |\n| 124:8 | signature
56:1,25 | 93:12 97:24 100:2 | 52:10,11 56:3 | |\n| services
120:9 | 57:21 167:19 | 102:15 103:21 | 57:13 70:13 91:5 | |\n| 148:12 | 213:3 214:21,23 | 104:7 108:8,24,24 | 97:24 98:6 104:2 | |\n| serving
91:13 95:9 | 214:23 215:9 | 111:24 123:10 | 121:9 144:22 | |\n| set
113:21,22 | signed
57:7 59:1 | 124:13 138:19 | 145:2 147:23 | |\n| 114:4,5,7 117:15 | 61:17,25 62:1,3,6 | 151:9 153:21 | 152:22 153:23 | |\n| 170:15 195:17 | 62:8,17,18,19 63:9 | 156:3 164:12 | 167:2,10 171:5 | |\n| 212:11 | 63:13,24 64:1,3,9 | 166:17 167:3 | 184:22 200:17 | |\n| setting
128:4,6 | 64:20 66:9 67:6 | 169:5,21 170:12 | sort
114:9 141:12 | |\n| | 67:23 91:12 171:8 | 179:13 183:14 | 202:19 | |\n| | | | | |\n\n**[sorts - started]**\n\n| sorts
89:25 | 18:15,16,17,18,20 | 109:4,11,13,18,21 | 187:4 188:25 |\n|------------------------|--------------------|--------------------|------------------------|\n| sound
18:13 33:24 | 18:21,24 21:5 | 109:22,25 110:7 | 190:14,18 191:10 |\n| 149:4 209:1 | 22:8 23:11,20,24 | 110:14,17,20,25 | 192:3,11,15 |\n| sounds
11:10 18:4 | 23:25 24:2,3,12,13 | 111:11,17 113:21 | 193:18 194:2,7,8 |\n| 33:17 204:19 | 24:14,18,21,23 | 114:12,15,23 | 195:4,7,15,22 |\n| source
115:7 | 25:6,16,18 27:6,10 | 115:8,12,14,16 | 198:22,24 199:14 |\n| 118:17,18,20 | 27:15 28:9 30:8 | 116:5,8 117:6,10 | 201:10,23 202:7 |\n| 119:2 123:14,17 | 32:10,13,15,19 | 118:7,14 119:4,13 | 202:10 206:8,13 |\n| 123:20 124:9 | 33:12,18,20,25 | 119:13,18,23 | 206:22 207:14 |\n| 159:1,5 160:24 | 34:1,3,4,7,9,9,13 | 120:12,20,23,24 | 208:5,8 209:9 |\n| 162:10,23 | 34:16,22,25 35:14 | 121:1,4,15 122:1,7 | spring's
102:22 |\n| speak
13:6 54:11 | 35:20 36:2,24 | 122:13,20,21 | 121:19 124:21 |\n| 54:15 70:10 | 37:21 38:1,18 | 123:8,13 124:11 | 125:14,22 126:25 |\n| 126:16 139:18 | 40:9,18,22 41:4,17 | 125:7 126:21 | 128:23 129:17 |\n| 140:5 151:5,7 | 42:2,5,21 43:25 | 127:7,8,9,17 | 190:23 |\n| 155:5 | 44:15,17,21,25 | 128:12,19,20 | square
2:6,7,16,17 |\n| speaker
58:20 | 45:7,17,21,25 46:6 | 129:14 130:11,15 | 3:11 |\n| 59:22 | 46:13 47:10,21 | 131:3,9 132:18,21 | squarely
65:20 |\n| speaking
11:23 | 49:5,19 50:24 | 132:22,23 133:7 | srosen
2:24 |\n| 12:4 15:13 158:22 | 51:24 52:14 54:20 | 133:16 134:19 | ss
211:1 212:1 |\n| speaks
170:3 | 58:6,21,22,23 | 135:2,9 136:1,17 | ssarnoff
2:19 |\n| specific
26:18 27:1 | 59:21 65:21 67:25 | 137:7,10 140:25 | stamp
167:23 |\n| 107:23 126:24 | 68:10,11,16,23 | 141:24 148:6,12 | stand
11:8 45:3 |\n| 175:20 195:19 | 69:2,8,9,13,14,18 | 148:15,18 150:2,6 | 132:3 |\n| specifically
113:9 | 70:16 71:4,12 | 150:20 151:11,25 | stands
132:1,9,11 |\n| 129:19 188:1 | 72:1,8 73:22,24 | 152:19,24 153:1 | 132:15 |\n| specify
140:8 | 74:21,24 77:18,21 | 153:10 156:1,6,18 | start
12:3,20 23:25 |\n| speculate
97:11 | 77:25 78:12,19 | 157:3,22 158:16 | 29:10,23 30:10,17 |\n| 127:21 | 79:7,15,18 80:5,11 | 158:17,20 159:13 | 30:19 31:1,14,17 |\n| spell
17:5 38:12 | 80:12,13,18,22 | 160:21,24 163:21 | 32:10 71:4 78:6 |\n| spelled
39:9 | 81:3,6 86:22 90:4 | 164:10,14 165:16 | 118:22 173:18 |\n| spend
17:6 173:18 | 90:9,18 91:16,17 | 165:22 166:4,5,14 | 174:20 |\n| spoke
135:18,21 | 91:18,24 92:9,16 | 168:9 169:3,3,15 | started
10:22 |\n| spoken
115:3,6 | 93:6 95:4,24 97:2 | 169:16,23,25 | 24:11,17 28:8 |\n| 139:13 140:14 | 97:20 98:3,23 | 170:14,20 171:14 | 30:13 31:18,19,19 |\n| 180:12 191:16 | 99:11 100:16 | 172:10 173:1,4 | 31:20 32:13 33:18 |\n| 209:20 | 102:7,23,25 103:4 | 174:16 175:3,13 | 34:4 36:2,24 |\n| spring
2:21 4:20 | 103:7,9 104:6,10 | 176:23 177:7,14 | 37:22 38:1 40:9 |\n| 5:3,11 7:10 8:3 | 104:13,14,17,22 | 177:18 178:1,3 | 40:18,22 41:3,17 |\n| 15:3,20 16:9,22 | 104:24 105:8 | 180:5 184:10 | 42:5,20 69:8,9,14 |\n| 17:2,4,10 18:9,11 | 107:15,18 108:3 | 185:3 186:9,14 | 71:12,25 72:7 |\n| | | | |\n\nVeritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127\n\n**[started - talking]**\n\n| 73:21,24 77:21,24 | stuart
2:15 8:13 | supplement | t |\n|-----------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|------------------------|\n| 78:23 81:3 87:6 | stuff
141:10,18 | 207:12 209:14 | t
4:9 147:15,16 |\n| 117:18,24 | 194:23 195:5 | supplies
208:12 | 216:3,3 |\n| starting
31:23 | 202:3 | support
82:3 | tail
74:9 |\n| 32:3 42:3 85:5 | subject
88:12 | 89:16,21,25 91:19 | take
23:9 33:7 |\n| state
3:11 7:21 | 113:20 133:17,20 | 92:2 93:18,23 | 35:2,8 55:9 58:21 |\n| 9:25 10:5,12 57:8 | 134:5 146:11 | 94:4,15 118:4,6 | 66:16,19 69:10 |\n| 167:16 168:22 | 163:20 176:15 | 119:8,13 127:9 | 84:19 91:18 96:1 |\n| 211:1 212:1,6 | submitted
43:19 | 128:16 147:24 | 96:4 98:16 99:5,6 |\n| 214:9,12 | subordinated | 182:22 | 100:11,16 102:2 |\n| stated
68:18 98:15 | 130:21 | supported
118:8 | 108:10,10 109:6 |\n| statement
157:22 | subpoenaed | supporting
114:3 | 111:15,20 112:4 |\n| 191:22 192:5 | 129:16 | suppose
50:20 | 125:25 139:2 |\n| states
1:1 3:4,4 | subscribe
211:11 | supposed
92:8 | 141:17 143:5 |\n| 7:12 25:10,12,15 | substance
211:8 | 118:21 124:6 | 148:6,11,16 158:7 |\n| 25:19,24 27:21 | substantiating | 130:18 | 159:11 160:1,4,10 |\n| 28:5 91:13 115:19 | 186:12 | supreme
57:8 | 160:13,18 161:2 |\n| 117:13 125:23 | succeeded
175:4 | sure
12:23 21:23 | 161:13,19,22,23 |\n| stay
27:12 39:21 | success
206:5 | 22:15 24:10 26:5 | 162:4,17,22 |\n| 51:3 66:7 87:3 | successful
174:15 | 42:24 54:9 62:15 | 173:22,25 180:9 |\n| 102:1 207:2 | 175:8,17,22 176:3 | 63:18 90:21,23 | 181:23,23 186:17 |\n| stayed
73:3,7 | 176:5 | 97:21 99:5 102:18 | 195:12 197:11 |\n| staying
27:12 | successfully | 103:15 104:1,1 | 207:23 |\n| stays
206:9 | 120:25 | 106:12 112:2 | taken
4:13 7:10 |\n| stenotypy
212:14 | sued
58:9 | 120:2,5 131:15 | 66:24 98:25 |\n| stick
40:3 203:21 | sufficient
158:10 | 140:10 142:4 | 112:15 126:6 |\n| stipulation
214:20 | suggest
31:3 112:7 | 143:16 167:6 | 127:2 174:5 |\n| stipulations
12:21 | 163:6 | 172:4,15 182:2 | 186:14 212:10 |\n| 12:25 | suggesting
32:7 | 188:2,23 192:1 | takes
112:7 |\n| stop
12:4 66:3 | 33:22 60:24 61:3 | 203:19 205:10,10 | talent
154:9 |\n| store
202:9,10 | 155:12 164:24 | survivor
48:12 | talk
69:21 70:1,2,2 |\n| stores
197:6 | 197:17 | suzanne
1:25 7:19 | 80:8 99:7 131:22 |\n| strategic
14:18,19 | suit
194:9 197:21 | 112:6 212:5 213:4 | 140:1 151:20 |\n| street
2:12,22 3:6 | 197:25 | swear
8:18 | 176:21 |\n| 7:3 184:20 185:3 | sunny
3:17 8:23 | swore
62:7 65:17 | talked
69:24 70:8 |\n| 190:3 | 10:6 40:15 52:8 | 91:12 | 70:9 126:18 |\n| strictly
38:7 | super
12:1,9 13:21 | sworn
9:1,11,21 | 176:18 195:9 |\n| strongly
129:8 | 43:13 | 57:21 60:15 61:14 | talking
22:18,21 |\n| 156:22 | supervision | 212:9 | 32:24 65:23 71:19 |\n| structure
37:9 | 212:15 | system
10:12 | 71:20 72:5,7 77:1 |\n| 117:16 | | | 84:15,25 85:12 |\n| | | | |\n\n#### **[talking - time]**\n\n| 91:1,3,7 92:5 | 86:4,6 131:14 | 185:10 188:14 | thoughts
107:1 |\n|----------------------|------------------------|--------------------------------------|----------------------|\n| 100:2 125:15 | 146:19 | 190:9 201:17 | threatened
84:11 |\n| 136:19 177:3 | terms
144:5,11,16 | 205:22 209:3 | 86:2 |\n| 180:1,2 181:4 | 186:20 189:17 | thanks
163:19 | three
4:22,24 |\n| 182:9 205:3,4 | 191:1 | 166:25 | 21:14 29:20 30:2 |\n| 207:19 | terrible
85:16 | thereof
212:23 | 30:2 36:6,9,14 |\n| task
36:5 45:11 | test
48:15 171:5 | thereon
211:10
43:4,10 48:17 | |\n| 46:9 58:23 | testified
9:22 | thing
55:21 84:4
49:1,10 51:5 | |\n| tasks
45:14 | 30:23 40:5 48:13 | 95:14 105:14 | 56:22 57:1,13,14 |\n| taxes
168:17 | 50:11 89:12 97:13 | 108:25 141:12 | 65:7,17 84:3,18 |\n| 172:23 | 104:20 120:16 | 182:18
127:15 168:2 | |\n| team
157:23 | 161:8 181:10 | things
11:20 47:8
170:17 184:5 | |\n| 174:19 | 183:20 185:2 | 66:17 85:16 89:25 | tight
19:11 |\n| technically
24:2 | 204:2 | 92:22 97:7 99:9 | tim
18:1,2 |\n| 170:20 | testify
44:24 48:24 | 99:13 107:22,23 | time
11:23 17:6,8 |\n| telephone
16:9,22 | 80:11 94:19 95:15 | 127:15,20 136:20 | 24:4,6,23 25:2,5 |\n| tell
29:5 31:18 | 191:24 | 182:1 194:9 195:1 | 25:13,16,18,25 |\n| 35:6 43:16 46:4,8 | testifying
48:7 | 198:25 199:19,21 | 27:20 28:4 34:11 |\n| 47:2 58:2,15 | 61:23 64:5 75:18 | 200:4 | 34:22,25 35:4 |\n| 59:25 73:13 74:6 | 90:8 159:13 | think
13:18,20 | 37:22 38:18 40:17 |\n| 81:18,21,23 83:21 | testimony
4:12 | 24:9 34:8 41:21 | 40:24 41:3,9,17 |\n| 86:22 93:10 94:3 | 13:19 15:8 26:12 | 50:11 58:25 62:14 | 42:5 44:8 49:18 |\n| 97:10 99:15 109:3 | 29:19 36:5,12 | 66:10,16 86:3 | 54:8 62:13,15,17 |\n| 109:25 110:5 | 37:23 48:2,8,15,16 | 93:8 94:12 100:21 | 62:18 63:23 64:9 |\n| 113:25 117:9 | 51:2,2 60:15 | 117:4 119:15 | 66:23 67:2,15 |\n| 125:13 128:18 | 61:14 63:3 64:7 | 129:6 140:15,18 | 69:4,18 80:24 |\n| 134:12 138:2 | 75:25 76:3 94:12 | 150:11 156:11 | 83:6 84:19 94:24 |\n| 144:2 159:25 | 94:15,19 96:20 | 157:24 160:14 | 96:4,12,17,20 97:6 |\n| 160:2 175:21 | 106:14 132:24 | 166:19 167:1,24 | 98:10,14,18 |\n| 184:1,1,2 198:17 | 159:15,19 161:5,7 | 181:25 182:10 | 103:18 104:8 |\n| 199:1 | 188:4 209:7 | 183:10,23 190:16 | 106:14,18 112:14 |\n| telling
19:14 | 212:16 | 194:25 200:1 | 112:18 123:8 |\n| 194:24 | thank
8:17 10:13 | 201:13 203:4 | 124:13 126:5,9 |\n| ten
17:8,9 22:4 | 10:14 11:18 12:8 | 205:24 | 127:24 134:23 |\n| 23:9 33:8 66:19 | 12:18 16:7 40:2,4 | thinking
75:13 | 136:4 138:4,4,8,12 |\n| 117:3 163:17 | 55:7 67:17 71:8 | thirty
21:11,14,16 | 139:4 140:8,17 |\n| 167:24 185:16,18 | 71:23 78:8 84:21 | 21:20 22:4,12 | 143:15 144:14 |\n| tendered
160:21 | 84:23 88:6 111:23 | 23:2,6,9 33:1,7 | 145:16 148:22 |\n| tendering
191:5 | 113:19 126:19 | 132:8 205:19 | 156:3 162:9,23,25 |\n| term
81:8,14 | 129:11 156:15 | thought
128:3 | 163:3,13 166:5 |\n| 84:13 85:19,22,24 | 167:7 173:20 | 171:4 | 167:24 168:16 |\n| | | | |\n\n**translated** [11:13](#page-35-0) [11:14](#page-35-0) [12:14](#page-36-0) [65:6](#page-89-0)\n\n**translation** [31:16](#page-55-0) [89:4,24](#page-113-0) [94:5](#page-118-0) **translator** [88:24](#page-112-0) [92:23](#page-116-0) [93:2,10,19](#page-117-0) [95:10,11](#page-119-0) [131:5](#page-155-0)\n\n**transport** [111:13](#page-135-0) **transportation** [99:10](#page-123-0) [107:13,22](#page-131-0) [108:11](#page-132-0) [109:11,17](#page-133-0)\n\n> [110:18](#page-134-0) [122:13,20](#page-146-0) [128:2](#page-152-0) [134:19](#page-158-0) [142:6,12](#page-166-0) [159:12](#page-183-0) [164:6](#page-188-0) [165:11,15](#page-189-0) [166:4](#page-190-0) [180:5](#page-204-0) [195:6](#page-219-0)\n\n**trial** [4:16](#page-28-0) [13:1](#page-37-0)\n\n**tries** [197:25](#page-221-0)\n\n**tried** [92:23](#page-116-0) [165:9](#page-189-0)\n\n**trip** [194:9](#page-218-0) [195:12](#page-219-0)\n\n**true** [51:3,11,23](#page-75-0) [52:15](#page-76-0) [54:20](#page-78-0) [62:6](#page-86-0) [62:17,19](#page-86-0) [63:13](#page-87-0) [67:24](#page-91-0) [69:1,7](#page-93-0) [75:4](#page-99-0)\n\n[96:20](#page-120-0)\n\n[196:3](#page-220-0)\n\n[83:6](#page-107-0) [89:6](#page-113-0)\n\n[200:15](#page-224-0)\n\nof 280\n\n[173:17,18](#page-197-0) [174:4,8](#page-198-0) [176:16,18](#page-200-0) [195:2](#page-219-0) [203:10](#page-227-0) [205:23](#page-229-0) [60:17](#page-84-0) [61:12](#page-85-0) [63:8](#page-87-0) [63:9,10](#page-87-0) [65:23](#page-89-0) [79:24](#page-103-0) [87:5,7](#page-111-0) [89:3](#page-113-0)\n\n> [199:18](#page-223-0) **tongue** [11:6](#page-35-0)\n\n[197:20](#page-221-0) **transcribed** [212:14](#page-236-0)\n\n**transcript** [4:12,16](#page-28-0) [13:4,9](#page-37-0) [20:8](#page-44-0) [21:11](#page-45-0) [21:25](#page-45-0) [22:21](#page-46-0) [31:2](#page-55-0) [36:22](#page-60-0) [37:18](#page-61-0) [39:17](#page-63-0) [48:1](#page-72-0) [50:16](#page-74-0) [51:8](#page-75-0) [76:20](#page-100-0) [85:3](#page-109-0) [93:4](#page-117-0) [210:3](#page-234-0) [212:16,18](#page-236-0) [214:6,8,10,13,13](#page-238-0) [214:21](#page-238-0) [215:2,2](#page-239-0) **translate** [40:19](#page-64-0) [59:16](#page-83-0) [82:22](#page-106-0) [89:6](#page-113-0) [89:15](#page-113-0) [92:10,19](#page-116-0)\n\n**told** [35:18,19](#page-59-0) [43:8](#page-67-0)\n\n[91:12](#page-115-0) [110:24](#page-134-0) [133:19,22](#page-157-0) [135:15](#page-159-0) [137:22,24,24](#page-161-0) [138:20](#page-162-0) [139:2](#page-163-0) [145:7](#page-169-0) [148:10](#page-172-0) [162:21](#page-186-0) [176:11,13](#page-200-0) [179:14](#page-203-0) [180:6,9,11](#page-204-0)\n\n[169:15,23,24](#page-193-0)\n\n**[time - turn]**\n\n[209:3](#page-233-0) [212:11](#page-236-0) [214:10,18,24](#page-238-0)\n\n**times** [2:6,7,16,17](#page-26-0) [26:17](#page-50-0) [66:1](#page-90-0) [82:15](#page-106-0) [95:3](#page-119-0) [105:17,22](#page-129-0) [138:21](#page-162-0) [139:20,22](#page-163-0) [139:24](#page-163-0) [140:1,18](#page-164-0) [151:3](#page-175-0) [159:14](#page-183-0)\n\n[204:4](#page-228-0) [208:4](#page-232-0) **timing** [182:4](#page-206-0) **timothy** [18:1](#page-42-0) **title** [42:21](#page-66-0) [89:17](#page-113-0) [93:19](#page-117-0) [95:1,2](#page-119-0) **titles** [44:15](#page-68-0) [45:2](#page-69-0) [49:19](#page-73-0) [65:24](#page-89-0) [95:3](#page-119-0) [98:22](#page-122-0) [137:10](#page-161-0) [142:5,7](#page-166-0) [180:16](#page-204-0) **today** [11:5](#page-35-0) [13:19](#page-37-0)\n\n> [16:24](#page-40-0) [17:2](#page-41-0) [36:3](#page-60-0) [49:2](#page-73-0) [65:19](#page-89-0) [92:20](#page-116-0) [94:15,20](#page-118-0) [109:5](#page-133-0) [115:22](#page-139-0) [130:22](#page-154-0) [131:21](#page-155-0) [136:19](#page-160-0) [140:13](#page-164-0) [150:2](#page-174-0) [158:9](#page-182-0) [159:13](#page-183-0) [162:13](#page-186-0) [163:1](#page-187-0) [176:16](#page-200-0) [182:9](#page-206-0)\n\n[209:4](#page-233-0)\n\n**today's** [16:10](#page-40-0)\n\n[209:7,20](#page-233-0)\n\n[17:11,16,20](#page-41-0) [18:7](#page-42-0) [18:19](#page-42-0) [116:12](#page-140-0) [133:17,21](#page-157-0) [134:5](#page-158-0)\n\n[215:7](#page-239-0)\n\n| 184:6 200:8 204:2 | tonight
210:7 | 111:1,3 |\n|----------------------|------------------------|-----------------------|\n| 204:4 208:4 | top
56:1 57:1 74:8 | travel
25:19 26:14 |\n| timing
182:4 | 187:22 | 26:17 27:4 40:12 |\n| timothy
18:1 | topic
44:20 87:14 | 111:7 |\n| title
42:21 89:17 | 94:20 174:14 | traveled
23:23 |\n| 93:19 95:1,2 | topics
15:6,10 20:5 | 24:7 27:16,17 |\n| titles
44:15 45:2 | 20:9 26:2 37:7,8 | 109:7 |\n| 49:19 65:24 95:3 | 38:6 41:25 65:19 | travels
108:13,23 |\n| 98:22 137:10 | 160:23,23 | 117:14 |\n| 142:5,7 180:16 | total
187:16 | treasurer
42:23,25 |\n| today
11:5 13:19 | 209:10 | 45:25 46:13 47:20 |\n| 15:2,7,8,12,20,25 | tower
2:6,16 | 49:4 97:20 98:2 |\n| 16:24 17:2 36:3 | transaction | 103:9 104:12 |\n\n| 78:3,10 79:13,13 |\n|-----------------------|\n| 79:15 80:11,16,18 |\n| 80:20 81:2,5,8,14 |\n| 85:22,23 89:11 |\n| 91:12 97:14 108:6 |\n| 108:22 169:22 |\n| 175:24 183:4 |\n| 193:17 211:9,13 |\n| 212:15 |\n| trust
160:16 |\n| trustee
3:4 8:16 |\n| 146:18 194:25 |\n| 196:7 |\n| truth
50:5 80:23 |\n| truthful
13:19 |\n| 31:21 59:25 61:22 |\n| 62:1,3,9 63:3 64:2 |\n| 64:6 |\n| truthfully
13:16 |\n| try
11:7 12:12 |\n| 37:13 71:21 76:18 |\n| 87:14 98:10,14 |\n| 129:9 138:14 |\n| 150:13 169:12 |\n| trying
26:6,9 32:7 |\n| 50:25 51:1 65:16 |\n| 70:7 92:7 93:5,8 |\n| 95:13 111:9 114:7 |\n| 116:3,7 128:11 |\n| 135:14 136:13,13 |\n| 143:10 163:6,9 |\n| 172:15 180:3,14 |\n| 180:16 184:22 |\n| 196:23 197:19 |\n| 200:23 |\n| tuesday
1:18 7:2 |\n| 212:10 |\n| |\n\n[75:10,11](#page-99-0) [77:13](#page-101-0)\n\n**[turning - visited]**\n\n| turning
118:19 | 40:13 49:1 50:1 | understood
13:10 | user
204:3,7 |\n|-----------------------|-------------------|----------------------|----------------------|\n| twelve
84:2,17 | 51:6 52:6 59:14 | 20:14 61:6 64:21 | uses
202:22 |\n| 157:15 | 59:19 60:13 61:12 | 76:15 97:18 | 204:18 205:7,8,9 |\n| twenty
4:18 59:5 | 63:2,10,11 64:10 | 107:20 120:3 | usual
12:25 |\n| 84:3,18 88:13 | 64:11,12,14,16,25 | 121:12 148:11 | v |\n| 139:24 140:1 | 66:8 70:5 79:18 | 161:25 171:7 | v
2:11 |\n| 153:15 | 86:21,23 89:15,20 | 182:7 195:23 | vague
165:19 |\n| two
4:14 19:18 | 90:22 92:1 93:8 | 201:13 | value
127:6 |\n| 20:20 28:16 30:2 | 94:25 95:2,2,5,13 | undocumented | values
128:5 |\n| 47:17 67:12,12 | 98:25 106:13 | 186:5 | various
26:17 |\n| 74:10 85:9 97:7 | 110:13 123:25 | unfamiliar
144:15 | vehicle
111:7,10 |\n| 136:20 149:3 | 124:20 129:6 | unfortunately | vehicles
109:19 |\n| 152:1,3,4,6 182:1 | 130:4 131:6 | 170:6 | 181:12,20 182:8 |\n| 182:16 203:21 | 132:25 136:14,16 | unified
10:11 | 182:25 183:1 |\n| type
108:20 | 136:19,25 143:10 | unit
7:8 | vendor
99:22 |\n| types
99:19 111:17 | 146:2,9 153:21 | united
1:1 3:4,4 | 100:6 101:1,3 |\n| typically
119:7 | 156:17 158:1 | 7:12 25:10,12,15 | vendors
118:12 |\n| u | 160:12 177:4,23 | 25:19,24 27:21 | verdolino
193:5,7 |\n| u
17:5 30:9 38:23 | 179:11,13 180:14 | 28:5 115:19 | verify
99:16,17 |\n| 38:24 39:9,9,12 | 180:16 182:1,14 | 117:13 125:23 | 100:13,19,25 |\n| 86:14 112:24 | 186:16 188:19,23 | units
209:10 | 101:7,14,18,20 |\n| 116:22 147:15 | 189:13,13 190:8 | unnecessarily | 102:3,8,9 197:8,8 |\n| 171:25 | 192:19,24 195:3,8 | 196:24 | 198:9 199:8,14 |\n| u.s.
8:16 23:23 | 196:23 197:19 | unprofessional | 200:10 |\n| 24:8 27:17 114:8 | 200:24 201:18 | 52:11 | verifying
101:1 |\n| 125:8 126:22 | 202:4 207:19,22 | unsecured
8:6 | veritext
7:18,20 |\n| 142:23 146:18 | understanding | unwilling
128:18 | 209:11 214:7,9,11 |\n| 194:25 196:7 | 31:16 36:4 39:16 | 130:11 | video
7:8 16:6 |\n| uh
54:2 137:19 | 58:19 68:9,13,14 | uploading
19:13 | videoconference |\n| 155:16 | 78:15 79:3,20,22 | urgency
138:8 | 16:9,23 |\n| uk
27:17 115:24 | 92:4 113:22,25 | usability
127:1 | videographer
3:16 |\n| 116:18 117:7 | 114:22 119:8 | 128:23 | 7:5,18 8:17 10:14 |\n| 148:5 199:17,20 | 122:25 123:22 | usdoj.gov
3:8 | 66:19,21,25 |\n| ultimately
109:23 | 129:18 131:17 | use
53:19 90:3 | 112:12,16 126:3,7 |\n| una
3:18 9:8 | 148:14 154:17 | 98:11 102:22 | 174:2,6 209:1,5 |\n| understand
11:9 | 155:9,22 159:23 | 104:14 109:1 | videotaped
1:14 |\n| 11:24 12:11,23 | 161:20 162:6 | 120:2 133:11 | view
42:1 183:11 |\n| 14:3 15:2 21:22 | 163:14 171:19 | 144:8 200:15 | virtually
7:15 |\n| 22:19,19 24:9 | 180:4 199:10 | 202:23,24 203:1,3 | vision
14:18,20 |\n| 26:24 27:13,18 | 205:25 206:3,7 | 203:7,8,23 204:9 | visited
72:22 |\n| 30:1 32:8 40:12 | | 204:10 | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-28 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 276\n\n**[void - witness]**\n\n| void
166:7 168:17 | 119:22 121:3,23 | 190:11 197:2 | went
30:4 144:19 |\n|---------------------------------------|----------------------|---------------------|-----------------------|\n| 169:4,19 170:1 | 121:25 122:6,21 | 201:2 209:2,8 | 162:13 |\n| 171:15 172:23 | 136:18 139:13,18 | 211:4 212:8 214:1 | whatnot
158:23 |\n| 173:2,13 | 140:14,21 149:21 | 214:5 216:2 | whatsoever
38:5 |\n| w | 151:7,14 172:19 | want
21:7 24:10 | whereabouts |\n| w
38:14 39:9,13,13 | 176:23 177:6,16 | 27:1 32:6 39:23 | 26:17 42:12 |\n| | 177:19 178:8,15 | 55:21 60:18 62:14 | whistle
117:18 |\n| 39:14,14 | 178:17 186:1 | 66:2,2,7 71:17 | wife
101:13 103:6 |\n| wait
12:2,4 19:9 | 187:7,10 189:1,16 | 84:4 86:20 88:1 | 103:13 104:5,9,14 |\n| 43:7 78:7 | 189:20 191:6,9,16 | 90:21,23 106:12 | 201:24 202:1,24 |\n| waiting
78:8 | 192:13 193:20 | 108:24 125:3 | 204:9,20 205:15 |\n| waive
13:4,8 | 195:11 196:2 | 126:10 127:20 | 205:16,17 |\n| waived
214:23,23 | 199:19 200:4,24 | 129:1 150:13,18 | wife's
201:21 |\n| waiving
214:20 | 201:1,6,24 204:20 | 154:8 175:19 | 202:1 |\n| walk
196:9 | 204:21 205:11 | 176:21 181:15 | wilkinson
3:18 9:8 |\n| walks
197:20 | 206:1,14 214:4 | 182:2,20 208:25 | 53:16 |\n| wan
1:8 2:5 7:11 | 216:1 | wanted
111:7 | william
170:16,19 |\n| 8:8 39:18 40:6 | wan's
68:20 77:1 | 201:14 | 172:3,9 |\n| 41:16,24 42:1 | 93:14 106:23 | wants
106:24 | williams
172:2,7 |\n| 45:18,22 52:1,16
52:22 53:5,7,9,13 | wang
1:17 4:13,23 | 197:21 198:1 | 172:19 |\n| 53:21 54:22 58:10 | 7:9 9:18 10:19 | 200:5,24 | willing
82:4 |\n| 58:16 66:7 68:2,6 | 13:12 20:2,18 | washington
2:13 | win
206:4 |\n| 68:11 70:16 72:3 | 27:9 28:21 32:21 | 3:7 | wish
150:9 |\n| 72:9,17 77:4 81:4 | 37:17 38:11 42:8 | way
19:24 27:1 | withdraw
43:21 |\n| 81:9,15,16,21 82:1 | 42:20 43:10 45:6 | 54:12 71:22 80:7 | withdrawn
17:18 |\n| 82:10,19,23 83:7 | 49:12 52:13 53:19 | 120:14 133:13 | 65:1 72:19 147:20 |\n| 84:15 85:1,13,19 | 55:14 56:17 67:4 | 138:14 143:9 | 177:21 |\n| 85:23 86:8 87:19 | 67:19 71:17,25 | 163:4 165:12 | witness
7:9 8:19 |\n| 88:18 89:5,13 | 73:13 80:16 83:16 | 200:16 204:14 | 9:16,24 13:3,8 |\n| 90:16 91:2,14 | 86:20 87:5 93:3 | 212:21,22 | 16:12,15 20:11 |\n| 92:10 94:16 95:7 | 95:13 104:4 | wealth
159:22 | 21:1,12 23:4 26:7 |\n| 97:22 98:4,24 | 111:10 112:20,20 | 161:9,13,21 162:1 | 26:11,15 27:6 |\n| 99:13 100:8,12,24 | 120:7 121:12 | 162:6 | 28:25 29:4 32:22 |\n| 101:4,12 102:17 | 123:3 125:7 | websites
203:20 | 33:2,9 35:3,5 36:3 |\n| 103:13 104:5,9,14 | 126:16 131:20 | week
69:25 71:2 | 37:2,15 38:4,9 |\n| 104:21 105:5,15 | 139:25 143:20 | 139:20,22 140:16 | 40:21 42:5,10,16 |\n| 105:24 106:6,15 | 146:4 150:18 | 140:16,24 151:3 | 43:15 44:21 46:19 |\n| 106:24 107:8 | 155:11 156:25 | weeks
73:8 | 46:22,24 52:5 |\n| 108:22 110:25 | 158:17 163:21 | wengui
39:9 53:2 | 53:10 54:25 55:12 |\n| 111:13 115:3,6 | 171:7 174:13 | 53:5,12 | 55:12,23 56:23 |\n| 118:6 119:10,20 | 186:20 188:17 | | 57:5,17 58:1 |\n| | | | |\n\n**[witness - york]**\n\nof 280\n\n| 59:19 65:17 66:8 | 78:20,20 79:21 | written
63:2 188:9 | 44:16 45:12 48:17 |\n|----------------------|---------------------|-----------------------|-----------------------|\n| 66:14 67:9,15 | 81:19 86:11,17 | 189:4 191:18 | 49:1,10 51:5 |\n| 73:12 74:4 83:14 | 89:24 92:17 | 212:13 | 61:19 64:22 65:8 |\n| 83:20 87:25 88:4 | 147:19 149:24 | wrong
56:6 75:12 | 65:17 80:7 116:19 |\n| 88:9 90:4,13 | 150:11,13 151:21 | 164:22 | 116:21,23 117:1,3 |\n| 92:15 94:19 95:20 | 152:25 157:2,17 | wrongdoing | 136:3 152:1,3,4,6 |\n| 103:24 111:16,24 | 158:3 164:17 | 164:25 | 160:17 161:21,25 |\n| 116:4,15 122:11 | 195:18 202:11 | x | 163:2 171:11 |\n| 122:19 123:5 | worked
19:2 21:5 | x
4:1,9 107:9,9 | yesterday
145:13 |\n| 124:24 126:24 | 23:23 24:12,20 | 116:6 215:1 | 145:14,16,18,21 |\n| 129:9 131:16 | 25:16,18 26:9 | | 146:5,9 162:8,9,22 |\n| 140:7 143:14,23 | 27:10,14 34:21,25 | y | 163:6,10 |\n| 144:13 147:10 | 45:9 55:3 138:25 | y
112:24,24 116:6 | yong
112:23 |\n| 148:1 154:6 158:5 | 152:18 153:10 | 147:16 | york
1:19,19 2:7,7 |\n| 159:19,21 165:21 | working
19:12 | y'all
44:7 | 2:17,17,22 4:20 |\n| 166:11 167:2,13 | 24:11,14,23,24 | yan
1:17 4:13,23 | 5:4,12 7:1,1,10 |\n| 170:12 186:11 | 25:3,5 29:10,23 | 9:18 56:17 211:4 | 8:3 10:12 14:23 |\n| 188:3 191:23 | 30:10,17 31:1,15 | 212:8 214:1,5 | 15:4 17:4 18:9,11 |\n| 201:4 204:1 207:3 | 32:10 33:18 34:3 | 216:2 | 18:15,17 23:24 |\n| 207:9,16 209:8,20 | 34:6,12 36:23 | yeah
11:25 13:2 | 24:2,15,18 27:6 |\n| 212:8,13,17 | 37:21 38:1 40:9 | 23:2 26:5 30:15 | 28:9 29:10,23 |\n| 214:13,16 215:2,5 | 40:18,22 41:3,17 | 49:1 54:2 67:14 | 30:4,4,11,18 31:2 |\n| 216:24 | 42:5,20 44:14 | 70:4 75:21 76:16 | 31:14,22,23 32:1,2 |\n| women's
101:6,9 | 45:17,21 69:2,8,9 | 81:12 86:15 93:22 | 32:3,11,13,15 |\n| 101:13 | 69:14 71:12,25 | 101:5,8 102:1 | 33:13,19 34:1,4,7 |\n| word
55:1 59:13 | 72:8 73:21,24 | 108:2 109:14,24 | 34:13,17,25 35:21 |\n| 90:3 109:6 120:2 | 78:23 81:3,10 | 110:11 111:9 | 36:2,24 37:21 |\n| 120:8 | 83:22 87:6 113:5 | 112:3 116:25 | 38:1,2 40:9,10,11 |\n| words
48:6 49:12 | 150:2 171:19 | 125:16 128:7,21 | 40:14,17,18,23,24 |\n| 49:16 51:11 58:17 | 210:1 | 136:10 141:7 | 41:2,4,7,16,18 |\n| 58:19 60:8 93:3 | works
76:16 | 156:15 162:16 | 42:2,6,21 43:25 |\n| 94:14 107:17 | world
17:14 | 166:21,21 173:20 | 44:21,25 46:1,6,14 |\n| 201:11 212:13 | 116:12 175:22 | 194:21 208:14 | 47:21 49:5,19 |\n| work
18:24 22:7,7 | worms
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