{"id":"court_ctb_404_30","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":404,"sub_number":30,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2022-05-20","title":"EXHIBIT PAX 30 Deposition Transcript of Wengui Guo, *Guo v. Guo*, Case No. 18-cv-01064 (E.D. Va.)","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **EXHIBIT PAX 30**\n\nDeposition Transcript of Wengui Guo, *Guo v. Guo*, Case No. 18-cv-01064 (E.D. Va.)\n\n32\n\nIN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x WENGUI GUO, : Plaintiff, : vs. : Case No. 1:18-CV-01064-TSE-IDD BAOSHENG GUO, : Defendant. : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x January 23, 2019 Washington, D.C. VIDEO DEPOSITION OF: WENGUI GUO Was called for examination by counsel for the Defendant, pursuant to notice, in the offices of, Zechner, Ellman & Krause, 409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300, Washington, D.C., commencing at 10:08 a.m., before Carolyn Friend, a Notary Public in and for the District of Columbia, when were present on behalf of the respective parties:\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 2 APPEARANCES: J. DAVID MORRISSY, ESQUIRE Zeichner, Ellman & Krause, LLP 409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300 Washington, D.C. 20004 (202) 783-0316 dmorrissy@zeklaw.com COUNSEL FOR THE PLAINTIFF JOHN C. ALTMILLER, ESQUIRE Pesner Kawamoto, PLC 7926 Jones Branch Road, Suite 930 McLean, Virginia 22102 (703) 506-9440 jaltmiller@pesnerkawamoto.com COUNSEL FOR THE DEFENDANT ALEXANDER LAUFER, ESQUIRE Eisenhower & Laufer, P.C. 10560 Main Street, Suite 218 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 (703) 352-9690 alex.laufer.elpc@gmail.com COUNSEL FOR THE DEFENDANT ALSO PRESENT: Helen Cole, Interpreter; David Voigtsberger, Video Operator; Una Wilkinson, Check Interpreter; Daniel Podhaskie C O N T E N T S WITNESS: EXAMINATION BY: PAGE: Wengui Guo Mr. Altmiller 4 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 3 E X H I B I T S NO.: DESCRIPTION: PAGE: 1 Web page 75 2 Copy of photographs 80 3 Certification of translation 83 4 New York Times article 105 5 Answers to Interrogatories 107 6 Request for Production of Documents 111 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 4 P R O C E E D I N G S (Whereupon, a statement was read by Video Operator.) MR. ALTMILLER: John Altmiller. I represent the Defendant, Baosheng Guo. MR. MORRISSY: David Morrissy from Zeichner, Ellman & Krause. We represent the Plaintiff, Deponent. (Whereupon, the Interpreter was sworn.) Whereupon: WENGUI GUO, Was called for examination, and, after being duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANT BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Would you, please, state your name?** A Guo Wengui. **Q And is that your current legal name?** A The legal name is Guo Haoyun. It's Hong 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 5 Kong pronunciation, Guo Haoyun. **Q And that is the name that is on your Hong Kong passport; is that correct?** A Yes. **Q And where do you currently live?** A New York, 5th Avenue, Number 781. **Q And how long have you lived there?** A Four years. **Q And where did you live before then?** A Well, correction, a little bit over three years, less than four. **Q And before then?** A Hong Kong, Beijing and London. **Q So what should I -- how should I address you?** A Just call me Guo Wengui. **Q Guo Wengui?** A Yes. **Q I will try and pronounce it correctly. Have you ever been deposed before?** A Yes. **Q How many times?**\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 4 of\n\n| | | 32 | | | |\n|----|----------|------------------------------------------------------|----|----------|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| | | Page 6 | | | Page 8 |\n| 1 | A | Three times. | 1 | account? | |\n| 2 | Q | And when were those three times? | 2 | A | I don't know. |\n| 3 | A | In September and November of 2018. | 3 | Q | Okay. And when did that happen? |\n| 4 | Q | And those were the only times, in | 4 | A | So it stopped -- was stopped in October |\n| 5 | | September and November? | 5 | | 2017 and lasted until about August or September of |\n| 6 | | MR. ALTMILLER: Did he say? Sorry. | 6 | | 2018. Thank you. |\n| 7 | | THE WITNESS: Approximately in November. | 7 | | MR. ALTMILLER: I'm sorry. Is the |\n| 8 | | I don't remember the exact date. | 8 | | witness saying that's how long it was suspended or |\n| 9 | | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 9 | | how long he had the account? |\n| 10 | Q | Since I don't know how those depositions | 10 | | THE WITNESS: I opened the Twitter |\n| 11 | | were conducted, let me say that if you don't | 11 | | account in February of 2017. I used it for six or |\n| 12 | | understand a question that I'm asking, you can ask | 12 | | seven months and some function was stopped in |\n| 13 | | me to rephrase it. | 13 | | October of 2017. And by August and September of |\n| 14 | | If you do not know the answer to a | 14 | | 2018, the entire account was closed. |\n| 15 | | question, you can tell me that you don't know the | 15 | | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 16 | | answer. I am not asking you to guess. | 16 | Q | Okay. Do you have any -- actually, let |\n| 17 | A | Okay. Thank you. | 17 | | me -- I'm going to withdraw that question. How many |\n| 18 | Q | If you need to take a break, that's fine. | 18 | | followers did you have on Twitter at the time the |\n| 19 | | We surely almost certainly will be taking some | 19 | | account was suspended? |\n| 20 | | breaks, but if you need to take a break, you can let | 20 | A | 450,000. |\n| 21 | me know. | | 21 | Q | And do you have any YouTube channels? |\n| 22 | A | Thank you. | 22 | A | Yes, I do. |\n| | | Misty Klapper & Associates | | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | | | | | |\n| | | 703-780-9559 | | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | | Page 7 | | | Page 9 |\n| 1 | Q | I only ask that we not take a break when | 1 | Q | How many? |\n| 2 | | there is a question pending. | 2 | A | One. |\n| 3 | A | Thank you. | 3 | Q | And what is the name on that YouTube |\n| 4 | Q | Have you been a party to any other | 4 | channel? | |\n| 5 | | lawsuits in the United States? | 5 | A | I do not remember the registered number, |\n| 6 | A | Yes. | 6 | | but the name of the channel is Guo Wengui. |\n| 7 | Q | And do you know how many lawsuits you | 7 | Q | Guo Wengui. Okay. Do you have any |\n| 8 | | have been a party to in the United States? | 8 | | channels under the Miles Kwok? |\n| 9 | A | Approximately 30 plus something. Some I | 9 | A | So I don't quite remember this name. |\n| 10 | | am the Plaintiff, some I am the Defendant. | 10 | | There were many accounts under YouTube that used my |\n| 11 | Q | Okay. The first thing that I'm -- or the | 11 | | name. Some were registered by my supporters. Some |\n| 12 | | first topic that I'm going to ask you about is going | 12 | | were registered by my colleagues. Some of them were |\n| 13 | | to be about social media. So I'm going to try and | 13 | | registered by my Nemesis, people in the communist |\n| 14 | | break this deposition up into topics so that I'm not | 14 | | parties. So a lot of people registered to YouTube |\n| 15 | | jumping from -- from thing to thing. | 15 | | account with my name. |\n| 16 | | Do you have a Twitter account? | 16 | Q | Okay. So what I want to ask about are |\n| 17 | A | Used to. | 17 | | YouTube channels on which you post videos. I |\n| 18 | Q | And when did you stop having a Twitter | 18 | | don't -- I'm not asking about people who might take |\n| 19 | account? | | 19 | | your name and use it for -- for bad reasons, but |\n| 20 | A | I did not close it. Twitter closed my | 20 | | just where you post videos. |\n| 21 | account. | | 21 | A | Yes, then I know the Chinese name is Guo |\n| 22 | Q | Do you know why Twitter closed your | 22 | Wengui. | |\n| | | Misty Klapper & Associates | | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | | 703-780-9559 | | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | | | | | |\n\n| | 32 | | |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Page 10 | | Page 12 |\n| 1 | Q
Okay. Thank you. And how many | 1 | A
For sure. |\n| 2 | subscribers are there to that channel? | 2 | Q
Okay. Do you have your own website? |\n| 3 | A
Used to reach about 260,000 and it | 3 | A
No. |\n| 4 | dropped to about 200,000. Right now it's 197,000. | 4 | Q
Have you ever had your own website? |\n| 5 | Q
Okay. And how often do you put out | 5 | A
Website, web page. I don't recall that I |\n| 6 | videos on your YouTube channel? | 6 | have that. |\n| 7 | A
Sometimes three or four times per week. | 7 | Q
Okay. Is -- is -- I'll go back to that. |\n| 8 | Sometimes two or three times per day. Varies. | 8 | I'm going to move to a new subject. Do you make |\n| 9 | Q
And what are the videos about? | 9 | public speaking appearances? |\n| 10 | A
Against the -- China's Communist Party, | 10 | A
Yes. |\n| 11 | support the -- the legal freedom and the religious | 11 | Q
Do you know about how often you make |\n| 12 | freedom. Also, against the spies that's sent out to | 12 | public speaking appearances? |\n| 13 | the United States by the communist party. | 13 | A
Not often. |\n| 14 | Q
And the communist party, the Chinese | 14 | Q
And would it be fair to say that at these |\n| 15 | Communist Party sends spies to the United States; is | 15 | public speaking appearances you talk about the same |\n| 16 | that correct? | 16 | things that you would talk about in your videos with |\n| 17 | A
I don't understand your question. Is it | 17 | regard to protection of the United States and for |\n| 18 | related to today's subject matter? | 18 | democracy in China? |\n| 19 | MR. MORRISSY: It calls for speculation | 19 | MR. MORRISSY: Is that what he said, that |\n| 20 | as well. Well, you're asking him about whether a | 20 | it -- is that what the testimony said previously? |\n| 21 | country sends spies into our country? | 21 | MR. ALTMILLER: I thought that what he |\n| 22 | MR. ALTMILLER: Well, he -- | 22 | said was that he speaks to people who -- he speaks |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | | | |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | Page 11 | | Page 13 |\n| 1 | THE WITNESS: You seem to know. | 1 | against Chinese -- |\n| 2 | MR. ALTMILLER: Well, he -- he said that | 2 | |\n| 3 | he speaks against the spies that the Chinese sends, | | MR. MORRISSY: In support -- in support |\n| 4 | | 3 | of a safe United States and against the CCP. |\n| | so, perhaps, the answer is self-evident. I -- I | 4 | MR. ALTMILLER: Yes. |\n| 5 | don't need to go down that road, particularly, very | 5 | MR. MORRISSY: Okay. |\n| 6 | far, so I'm going to withdraw the question because I | 6 | MR. ALTMILLER: That was my understanding |\n| 7 | don't -- I don't think it's -- it's not going to | 7 | of what the videos are about. |\n| 8 | advance anything. | 8 | MR. MORRISSY: Right. No. I just |\n| 9 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 9 | believe the question framed it a little bit |\n| 10 | Q
Who -- to whom are your videos directed? | 10 | differently. |\n| 11 | Who are you speaking to in your videos? | 11 | MR. ALTMILLER: Oh, okay. Well, I can -- |\n| 12 | A
My audience are for all of those who | 12 | I'll frame it that way. That's certainly what I -- |\n| 13 | support a safer United States and those who -- | 13 | how I intended to frame it, was whether or not |\n| 14 | against communist party, CCP. | 14 | the -- the speaking appearances are about those same |\n| 15 | Q
And how many people view these videos? | 15 | things, about the protection of the United States |\n| 16 | A
You are talking about every time or | 16 | and -- and against the communist government in |\n| 17 | ballpark? | 17 | China. |\n| 18 | Q
What -- how about this: The video that | 18 | THE WITNESS: Of course. |\n| 19 | the most people saw, how many people saw that video? | 19 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 20 | A
I don't remember. | 20 | Q
Have you been -- have your activities |\n| 21 | Q
Have you had videos that a million people | 21 | been covered by the media? |\n| 22 | saw? | 22 | A
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Do you consider yourself to be a public | 1 | Chinese people, hoping China can become a -- a -- a |\n| 2 | figure? | 2 | rule of law country as being fair and have religious |\n| 3 | A
No. | 3 | freedom. |\n| 4 | Q
Was there a profile done of you in the | 4 | So -- and no spies are sent to the |\n| 5 | New York Times? | 5 | Western countries to corrupt the society. So I do |\n| 6 | A
Yes. | 6 | not understand your question. |\n| 7 | Q
And you cooperated with that? | 7 | MR. ALTMILLER: So my question is that |\n| 8 | A
I do not understand cooperate means. I | 8 | the -- the goals that he is seeking to accomplish |\n| 9 | was interviewed by them. When someone interview | 9 | that he has just spoken about, I was just asking |\n| 10 | you, do you consider that cooperate? | 10 | what he -- he -- he's doing to further that goal. |\n| 11 | Q
I do consider it cooperation because you | 11 | That's all I'm asking. |\n| 12 | have the right not to be interviewed. And so -- so | 12 | THE WITNESS: I don't understand. |\n| 13 | my question is, did you agree to the interview? | 13 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 14 | A
Yes, yes, now I understand. I | 14 | Q
I have read media reports that you have |\n| 15 | understand. Yes, the English is too high of a | 15 | been working with Steve Bannon and -- first of all, |\n| 16 | caliber. Answer, yes. | 16 | is that correct? |\n| 17 | Q
Okay. Have you spoken to -- well, let me | 17 | A
I don't want to answer questions that |\n| 18 | rephrase that. Have you given other interviews to | 18 | third parties is involved. |\n| 19 | the media? | 19 | MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. And let me just |\n| 20 | A
Yes. | 20 | say for the record the reason I'm asking the |\n| 21 | Q
And are -- is the purpose of these | 21 | question is actually I don't -- I don't care about |\n| 22 | interviews to advance the cause that you speak in | 22 | the specifics about what they're doing, and I'll |\n| | | | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | Page 15 | | Page 17 |\n| 1 | favor of on your videos and elsewhere? | 1 | proffer that the reason I'm asking the question is, |\n| 2 | A
Yes. | 2 | obviously, one of our defenses relates to the |\n| 3 | Q
Okay. And it would be fair to say that | 3 | witness being a public figure. |\n| 4 | you've been politically active, would it? | 4 | And so since he says he's not a public |\n| 5 | MR. MORRISSY: What -- can you be a | 5 | figure and I think that he's doing a -- it seems to |\n| 6 | little more specific what that means? | 6 | me that he's doing a lot of work toward helping |\n| 7 | MR. ALTMILLER: I guess we know what that | 7 | democracy in China that -- I just wanted to |\n| 8 | means in the United States. I will -- I'll rephrase | 8 | establish I think he's doing a lot in that respect. |\n| 9 | it. | 9 | In other words, he's posting videos, he's |\n| 10 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 10 | meeting with people. At least I'm reading about |\n| 11 | Q
Have you sought to achieve some of your | 11 | funds that he's creating, and I say this with no |\n| 12 | goals through political means, that is to say by | 12 | dubiousness with regard to his intent. I just want |\n| 13 | working with American politicians? | 13 | to establish that that's what he's doing, so that's |\n| 14 | A
No. | 14 | why I'm asking what he's doing. |\n| 15 | Q
Other than speaking engagements and -- | 15 | And if he doesn't understand what I mean |\n| 16 | and -- and videos, what other activities have you | 16 | when I say what other things are you doing in order |\n| 17 | engaged in for the cause against the communist | 17 | to -- to pursue this goal that is obviously very |\n| 18 | government in China? | 18 | important, that he thinks about day and night, and I |\n| 19 | A
I do not understand your question. I can | 19 | have no doubt that he does, then I have to start |\n| 20 | tell you when I'm sleep, I think about that subject | 20 | asking specific questions. My preference would be |\n| 21 | matter. Whatever I do, I think about that subject | 21 | not to, just to be clear. |\n| 22 | matter. My goal is to save 14 -- 1.4 billion | 22 | So if there's any way to communicate that |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates
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703-780-9559 |\n\n| | 32 | | |\n|--------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Page 18 | | Page 20 |\n| 1 | to the witness in a way that I can just get a very | 1 | the cause of democracy in China is posting videos |\n| 2 | brief overview of what he's doing, that would solve | 2 | and making infrequent speeches, I'm totally fine |\n| 3 | my problem very quickly. | 3 | with that. I just want to know that that's the |\n| 4 | MR. MORRISSY: So it seems that you've | 4 | answer. |\n| 5 | had a brief overview of what he's doing. Are you | 5 | THE WITNESS: We have done a lot of works |\n| 6 | asking if there's anything outside of what you've | 6 | other than those two things to -- to go against the |\n| 7 | spoken about that he's doing to advance his cause? | 7 | CCP. A lot of people's safeties are involved. A |\n| 8 | MR. ALTMILLER: Right. In other words -- | 8 | lot of information is in the process of gathering. |\n| 9 | and, again -- I'll say it again, that I -- I know | 9 | We also have a signed agreement with certain people |\n| 10 | he's posting videos and I know he's speaking | 10 | not to disclose those information. So I think the |\n| 11 | somewhat, and there's a very -- as I say, I have no | 11 | subject matter is not appropriate to be asked today. |\n| 12 | doubt about his -- I personally am not expressing | 12 | I'll give you an example. We used to -- |\n| 13 | any doubt about his sincerity. I'm just | 13 | contemplating establishing a legal fund to assist |\n| 14 | presuming -- maybe I'm not presuming. I'm asking if | 14 | those who are being hurt by CCP, but because I'm a |\n| 15 | there's anything other than posting videos. | 15 | donor, because of the role that I'm playing, I have |\n| 16 | Is -- people who want to have political | 16 | no right to give a public speech. The information |\n| 17 | solutions sometimes engage in political activity. | 17 | you want are the information CCP want. |\n| 18 | People who want to fund things sometimes engage in | 18 | MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Okay. I'll just |\n| 19 | funding, they engage in organizing. There are all | 19 | say for the record, by the way, I do not want to |\n| 20 | kinds of things that people do when they want to | 20 | help the CCP. |\n| 21 | achieve a political goal, particularly one as -- as | 21 | THE WITNESS: But see the question you |\n| 22 | noble as achieving democracy in China. | 22 | ask and what Guo Baosheng is interested in are very |\n| | | | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 19 | | Page 21 |\n| | | | |\n| 1
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2 | similar to -- that you are on the side of CCP.
MR. MORRISSY: Very different. |\n| 3 | what he's doing, and I'm proffering this has to do | 3 | MR. ALTMILLER: Well, I -- I'm going to |\n| 4 | with whether or not he's a public figure. | 4 | make a distinction for the remainder of this |\n| 5 | MR. MORRISSY: No. Understood. And so | 5 | deposition that I have no interest in pursuing the |\n| 6 | we've -- you have the answer about the political | 6 | goals of the CCP, whatsoever. So -- in case |\n| 7 | involvement, right, so -- | 7 | there's -- anybody is curious about that. I say as |\n| 8 | MR. ALTMILLER: Well, he said -- yeah. | 8 | an officer of the court I have had no contact with |\n| 9 | He says he's not engaged in any political | 9 | the CCP or anyone from China in connection with this |\n| 10 | involvement, but I need to know what he's doing. | 10 | case other than my client and the gentleman that you |\n| 11 | MR. MORRISSY: So that's -- so that's his | 11 | saw earlier. |\n| 12 | answer. | 12 | MR. MORRISSY: Steven Taljeng? |\n| 13 | MR. ALTMILLER: Right. | 13 | MR. ALTMILLER: Yeah. |\n| 14 | MR. MORRISSY: So that's his answer | 14 | THE WITNESS: I am very appreciative of |\n| 15 | relating to politics, so -- | 15 | what you just said. I hope that is the case. |\n| 16 | MR. ALTMILLER: Well, let's get into | 16 | However, your questions is helping the CCP. |\n| 17 | whether or not there's anything else. I just want | 17 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 18 | to know if -- | 18 | Q
If I ever ask a question, the answer to |\n| 19 | MR. MORRISSY: Sure. | 19 | which will help the Chinese government, please let |\n| 20 | MR. ALTMILLER: -- there's anything else | 20 | me know so that we all can steer clear of those |\n| 21 | that he's doing. If the only thing that he's | 21 | questions because I don't think anybody in this |\n| 22 | doing -- if the only thing that he's doing to help | 22 | room -- and I hope I don't get in trouble with the |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates
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703-780-9559 |\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 22 **Chinese government by saying this. I'm not interested at all in that issue, other than how it affects certain smaller discrete issues in this case. All right. I'm going to move to a different topic. How did you meet Baosheng Guo?** A I did not know that person prior to 2017 after I started to disclose the -- the -- or expose the ugly news of CCP in 2017, then he put out the video supporting my position. When I was in Washington, DC on a -- the -- the open -- the news conference, doing a news conference on October 3rd of -- press conference in Washington, DC on October 3rd of 2017 he appeared and we shook hands. Few months ago, sometime in 2018, I was in the DC hotel and we met for a couple of minutes, shook hands. That's it. CHECK INTERPRETER: The witness also said, I actually don't really know this person. THE INTERPRETER: I really don't know this person. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 23 BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So Baosheng Guo?** A Yeah, Baosheng Guo, yes. **Q Okay. The -- the press conference in 2018, what was that about?** A The purpose of that press conference was to expose two very important plans by the CCP. One is called -- one is called the BGY. One is called the BGY. The other is called the 3F. Those were the plans that communist party planned to send spies to the United States to destroy U.S. government. **Q Have you given other press conferences?** A During which time frame and what type of press conference? I also held a press conference on November 20th, 2018, which is to expose some truth about Hainan, HNA Group. CHECK INTERPRETER: Wang Jian. THE WITNESS: Wang Jian dies, the truth. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Are you well known in China?** A How do you define well known? In the past or now? 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 24 **Q How about now?** A I'm overseas. What I heard is that I was well known there. **Q When you lived in China, were you well known?** A No, I was not well known. **Q Okay. Are you well known in the Chinese community in the United States?** A I don't know your definitions of well known. **Q Okay. Okay. So you did not know -- you did not really know Baosheng Guo; is that correct?** A Correct. **Q Did you ever pay Baosheng Guo any money?** A I didn't pay him. He defrauded me. **Q Let me ask the question again. Did you ever transfer any funds to Baosheng Guo?** A Yes. **Q Why did you transfer funds to Baosheng Guo?** A That's the reason why we are sitting here today. He defrauded me. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 25 **Q How many times did you transfer money to Baosheng Guo?** A More than twice. I don't remember exact number. **Q Do you have any documents related to the transfer of any money to Baosheng Guo?** A Yes. **Q Have you produced those documents to -- to your attorney or to -- to me?** MR. MORRISSY: The deponent doesn't know what I've produced to you. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Okay. Well, have you produced it to the -- to your attorney, then?** A I should have. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. I don't know that I have any documents related to the transfer of funds. If I'm wrong about that, then you can correct me. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah, you -- you are. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Okay. Then I'll -- I'll move away from that.\n\n| | 32 | | |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|----|--------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Page 26 | | Page 28 |\n| 1 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 1 | are critical of you now. And that's the question. |\n| 2 | Q
Other than the documents that have been | 2 | Are you -- well, let -- I'll do -- |\n| 3 | provided to your attorney with regard to transfers | 3 | I'll -- I'll phrase it this way: Do you know why -- |\n| 4 | to Baosheng Guo, do you have any other documents | 4 | I just don't want to get a foundation objection if |\n| 5 | related to the transfer of funds to Baosheng Guo? | 5 | we agree since that's in the complaint. Do you know |\n| 6 | A
Other documents? | 6 | why Baosheng Guo began posting critical statements |\n| 7 | MR. ALTMILLER: I'm just asking if there | 7 | about you when he had previously been posting |\n| 8 | were any documents other than what he's provided to | 8 | praiseworthy statements about you? |\n| 9 | his attorney. That's all. | 9 | A
That is one or the first reasons that I |\n| 10 | THE WITNESS: How about the voice | 10 | sue Mr. Baosheng Guo. The first reason I sued |\n| 11 | conversation, the witnesses are they count as | 11 | Mr. Guo Baosheng was that I do not dispute the fact |\n| 12 | others? | 12 | that he stated on the video that the police officers |\n| 13 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 13 | and the -- the security people went to his hometown |\n| 14 | Q
I was just referring to documents that | 14 | and found his mother at which time they offered his |\n| 15 | related to the transfer of funds only, not -- not | 15 | mother \\$30 million to \\$80 million RMB for Mr. Guo to |\n| 16 | other evidence. | 16 | turn against me for the purpose -- or for the things |\n| 17 | A
Yes, some documents I already handed over | 17 | that I am doing, which is -- and that against the |\n| 18 | to my attorney. | 18 | communist party. |\n| 19 | Q
Okay. What was the purpose for | 19 | CHECK INTERPRETER: Also -- the witness |\n| 20 | transferring funds to Baosheng Guo? | 20 | also said that apart from the 30 million -- the |\n| 21 | A
The purpose of wiring those money was | 21 | check Interpreter believes the witness also stated |\n| 22 | because he said he is going to -- to -- to hold a | 22 | apart from the 30 million, the 80 million RMB he |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | | | |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | Page 27 | | Page 29 |\n| 1 | conference that is catered to the people around the | 1 | also said that the -- the mother was also offered |\n| 2 | world that support democracy and against CCP. He | 2 | luxury home. And also at the end of his statement |\n| 3 | also said that he needed video related equipment, | 3 | also he mentioned that he is in -- in aid of helping |\n| 4 | cell phones, the boom lights for the conference and | 4 | China to set up a rule of law and religious freedom. |\n| 5 | some equipment related to that activity. And that's | 5 | THE WITNESS: Rule of law. So based on |\n| 6 | why I was defrauded. | 6 | the information that he disclosed on the video, I |\n| 7 | Q
Do you know if Baosheng Guo posted videos | 7 | don't think it is -- it is against me. I think it |\n| 8 | in which he -- in which he said -- in which he | 8 | is insulting to me. Think about it; in the past one |\n| 9 | praised you? | 9 | years he said nothing but supporting me, but all of |\n| 10 | A
A lot of them. | 10 | a sudden 180 degree turn. |\n| 11 | Q
And when did you become aware of those | 11 | He was a pastor, he was an author who can |\n| 12 | videos that were praiseworthy of you? | 12 | turn in -- in that fashion so quickly, do you think |\n| 13 | A
From the very beginning when he started | 13 | that's normal? |\n| 14 | posting them, I was made aware. | 14 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 15 | Q
And do you know around what time that was | 15 | Q
So it is -- would it be fair to say that |\n| 16 | when he started posting those videos that praised | 16 | it is your position that the reason that Baosheng |\n| 17 | you? | 17 | Guo is now critical of you is because he's being |\n| 18 | A
I don't remember exactly. | 18 | paid to be critical of you by the Chinese |\n| 19 | Q
Okay. Do you know if there was a time | 19 | Government? |\n| 20 | when -- well, let me rephrase that. You've | 20 | A
Based on my suspicion of him and his |\n| 21 | alleged -- and I don't think it's in much dispute | 21 | abnormal activities, that he -- he was -- shows that |\n| 22 | that there have been postings by Baosheng Guo that | 22 | he insulted and defrauded those who -- against the |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | | | |\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 30 CCP. His attitude or his -- appears to be very close to CCP. He defrauded a lot of money out of those who -- against the CCP. That's the reason why I filed the lawsuit here. I hope the court of the United States can conduct an investigation and give us an equitable result. **Q When do you think Baosheng Guo turned on you and started making critical statements?** A I don't remember the exact time frame. I only remember the time happened when he said that the police and public security people visited his hometown, offered the family a -- a luxurious home and money. Right after that, he turned on me. You can find those information through media records. **Q Well, I'm -- I'm asking -- I'm asking you. It -- it seems that you have alleged that in June and July of 2018 Baosheng Guo began tweeting statements that were critical of you and upon which you are suing. I'm just trying to figure out whether or not he did anything earlier than that.** A The day and time were mentioned in our complaint, so I think that should stand. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 31 **Q That's -- that's fine. Did you ever have any agreements -- let me -- I'll be more specific. Have you ever had any written agreements with the Defendant, Baosheng Guo?** MR. MORRISSY: Do you mean, just to be clear, a formal contract or -- or do you mean -- MR. ALTMILLER: Yes. MR. MORRISSY: -- writing -- a communication between the two or how do you mean? MR. ALTMILLER: I mean any agreement that's memorialized in writing, whether it be a written contract or whether it be e-mails back and forth; I will do this if you do that. And an e-mail comes back and says I accept those terms or, you know, things to that effect. THE WITNESS: There are written papers, yes. We have some written papers. E-mail, yes. My partner sent him some e-mail -- e-mails, but I personally never sent him any e-mails. He did send me e-mails and all those information, some of them already provided to my attorneys. Some of them are in the midst of compiling. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 32 BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Okay. So there are e-mails from Baosheng Guo that have not yet been produced to your attorney; is that correct?** A No, no. All the e-mails I provided to my attorneys. What I was referring to are the voice recordings that are in the process of translating at the moment. I have not provided. However, all the original documents have been provided. **Q Okay. So there are some voice recordings that I don't have yet; is that correct?** MR. MORRISSY: No, that's not correct. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. MR. MORRISSY: You have them. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Okay. So the witness is just incorrect? MR. MORRISSY: No. He -- what -- what the witness said was that he was in the process of translating them. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. MR. MORRISSY: At least that's what the Interpreter said the witness said. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 33 MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. CHECK INTERPRETER: That's right, yeah. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. All right. So of what's been provided, he's in the process of translating what's already been provided? Okay. That's fine. I just -- I just want to make sure that I know what I've got and what I don't. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q You had indicated earlier that Baosheng Guo had posted many videos that were praiseworthy of you prior -- well, first of all, did he post videos that were praiseworthy of you prior to meeting you?** A A lot of them. **Q How did he, Baosheng Guo, know who you were prior to meeting you?** MR. MORRISSY: That calls for speculation. THE WITNESS: Go ask Mr. Guo Baosheng. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Okay. Did you ever pay any travel expenses of Baosheng Guo?** A Yes. I did not pay him. He defrauded\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 34 me. He -- he applied for the travel fee from me. He also defrauded those who supported me for travel -- travel expenses, including those who are really poor. For example, people in Los Angeles that makes less than \\$2,000 a month and he defrauded them for the travel expenses, such as airline ticket and then many times over. The travel fee he applied from me he did not spend it on travel and that is the second reason I'm suiing him today. He applied for the travel fee to be used on airplane, to get hotels and then also defrauded the people who supported me, including very poor people, and that's -- that's the second reason I'm suiing him. During his travel, whatever he eats, the meal expenses, the wine, the liquor that he drank were the -- were the -- were the money paid out by us and the people, poor people who supported me. Those who -- those people who go against the CCP, they against the CCP with their life. And he defrauded them of their livelihood, left them with very little money for food. And that is the second 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 35 reason I have to sue him. So he says the reason for his travel was to support my mission of -- against the CCP. He travels to -- to California, to Las Vegas. The -- the travel expenses that he -- he applied was many times over than what he really spent. So he went to California. He used the name of helping people to seek political asylum, taking money from them and -- although he says his goal is to support our mission to go against the CCP, but he was doing exactly the opposite. And that is the third reason I have to sue him. So I make a recommendation to you, attorney, during the court proceedings that you can look for those peoples to come to the court as a witness, but please do keep in mind to protect their privacy and protect them, not to -- not to disclose -- protect their privacy and protect their safety. So -- so Mr. Guo -- Mr. Guo used the Twitter, exposed those people who were seeking the asylum, exposed their names and their informations, 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 36 threatened those people -- threatened those people. So I think what he did is shameful and is terrible, and that's the reason why I'm suiing him for the fourth reason. I'm seeking -- the -- the third reason I'm suiing him in order to seek the fair treatment of those people that were seeking political asylum. CHECK INTERPRETER: The witness also mentioned that -- threatened those people with repatriation. THE INTERPRETER: That's correct, threatened those people with -- with repatriation. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Okay. The -- Baosheng Guo represented to you that he was going to create a group whose goal it was to assist victims of the CCP, correct?** A To establish an organization to help those victims. **Q Of the CCP?** A Of the CCP, no, no. **Q Okay. Did -- did the Defendant represent to you -- did Baosheng Guo represent to you that he** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 37 **needed financial support to purchase video equipment in order to hold a conference and to take the first steps to create a group whose goal it was to assist the victims of the CCP?** A The event that you described did exist, but he was using that as an excuse that he wants to establish a Twitter party to -- and then host an entire CCP conference and using that as an excuse, asked me for 40,000 to 60,000 U.S. dollars. And that was one of the reasons I'm suiing him. **Q All right. So my -- the answer to my question, which was did Baosheng Guo represent to you that he needed financial support to purchase video equipment in order to hold a conference and to take the first steps to create a group whose goal it was to assist the billion victims of the CCP, the answer to that question, then, is yes, that he did make that representation to you?** A He asked money for -- for the video equipment, yes, but not for the conference, but for the direct broadcasting from the hotel. Correction, to pay for the hotel expenses, for direct\n\n| | 32 | | |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Page 38 | | Page 40 |\n| 1 | broadcasting and pay for hotel expenses. | 1 | MR. ALTMILLER: I agree with you; he |\n| 2 | Q
And how did he make that representation | 2 | didn't say yes. He, in fact, clarified that he |\n| 3 | to you? Was it verbally or was it over e-mail? | 3 | didn't say yes. What he said was that he -- that |\n| 4 | A
Mr. Attorney, I want to make something | 4 | the -- that the -- Baosheng Guo had represented to |\n| 5 | clear and maybe correct your question in the middle | 5 | him that he needed money to buy video equipment for |\n| 6 | of it, is that from -- from day one, when I put out | 6 | some purpose that wasn't quite what I said. |\n| 7 | the video -- videos on the Internet, I already | 7 | MR. MORRISSY: I believe -- yeah, it was |\n| 8 | stated very clearly that I do not take any money | 8 | relating to a live -- |\n| 9 | from anybody. I don't receive -- I don't want to | 9 | MR. ALTMILLER: A live stream, yeah. |\n| 10 | take any donations because I am sick and tired of -- | 10 | MR. MORRISSY: -- stream from a hotel or |\n| 11 | in the past 29 years, those overseas Chinese people | 11 | something like that, yeah. Okay. |\n| 12 | using the -- the -- the excuse of donation, saying | 12 | MR. ALTMILLER: And -- and so let me -- |\n| 13 | that they want to help those victims of -- of the | 13 | I'll -- |\n| 14 | CCP. | 14 | MR. MORRISSY: I just want to be clear -- |\n| 15 | And I want to make it very clear. Nobody | 15 | be clear about what's happening. |\n| 16 | can represent me. I stated many, many times in an | 16 | MR. ALTMILLER: I'll clarify. Let me -- |\n| 17 | open -- open forums or situations. Nobody can -- | 17 | let me clarify that. So I'll -- I'll ask the |\n| 18 | can represent me. | 18 | question again. |\n| 19 | The fourth -- the fourth reason that | 19 | MR. MORRISSY: Thanks. |\n| 20 | I'm -- I'm suing him is because that Mr. Guo | 20 | MR. ALTMILLER: That will be fine. |\n| 21 | Baosheng went to many places, including Canada, | 21 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 22 | Japan, Taiwan, California, Los Angeles, Las Vegas | 22 | Q
The representation that Baosho Gua -- |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 39 | | Page 41 |\n| 1 | stating that he -- and Japan and he -- stating that | 1 | excuse me -- Baosheng Guo made to you with regard to |\n| 2 | he represented me by using representation of me to | 2 | needing money to buy video equipment for the purpose |\n| 3 | defraud so many people and hurt so many people. | 3 | that you testified to, was that made verbally or was |\n| 4 | I already told it in the public many, | 4 | it made in writing? |\n| 5 | many times; I do not allow anybody to represent me. | 5 | A
Verbal. |\n| 6 | I do not allow anybody to represent me. I told him | 6 | Q
And when was that representation made? |\n| 7 | to his face, I do not allow you to represent me | 7 | A
June, July or maybe July, August of 2017. |\n| 8 | because he used my name as a vehicle to defraud | 8 | I don't remember the exact time frame. |\n| 9 | people and that is the fourth reason I'm suiing him. | 9 | Q
Was it over the phone or in person? |\n| 10 | Q
The representation that Baosheng Guo made | 10 | A
I already told you we met -- we never met |\n| 11 | to you that he needed financial support to buy video | 11 | face to face, so, of course, it's by telephone. |\n| 12 | equipment, was that made verbally or by e-mail? | 12 | Q
Did he call you or did you call him? |\n| 13 | MR. MORRISSY: Well, before he answers, | 13 | A
He called me. I never or seldom call |\n| 14 | the -- before -- let's clarify that. What you said | 14 | him. He was the one who called me and said what's |\n| 15 | before was compound, right, so you -- you asked him | 15 | up. Yes, so seldom, call -- |\n| 16 | a question relating to video equipment and the | 16 | Q
Did he call on your cell phone? |\n| 17 | conference in furthering, you know, furthering | 17 | A
Yes. |\n| 18 | certain goals. | 18 | Q
And how did he get your cell phone |\n| 19 | MR. ALTMILLER: Right, right. | 19 | number? |\n| 20 | MR. MORRISSY: And so -- and then he said | 20 | A
We have WhatsApp. |\n| 21 | what he said and you took it to mean, yes, but he | 21 | Q
Well, then, was -- was the -- was the |\n| 22 | didn't actually say yes. | 22 | representation made via WhatsApp or was it made |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates
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703-780-9559 |\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 42 **for -- in a -- in a telephone call?** A You can use WhatsApp to make a phone call. **Q Oh, okay. I didn't know that. I'm not particularly text savvy. All right. Did -- did Baosho -- Baosheng Guo represent to you that he needed \\$20,000 to purchase broadcasting equipment for a group whose goal it was to assist victims of the CCP?** A He asked for money for the equipment for the direct broadcasting. He did not said for the purpose of helping the victims of the CCP. CHECK INTERPRETER: The witness said that -- he stated the purpose is for anti-CCP, but he did not state it is helping the victims prosecuted by the CCP. MR. ALTMILLER: That is to say, when you say he, you mean, Baosheng Guo didn't represent that it was for the help of victims of the CCP; it was instead for this NTCCP, which is -- MR. MORRISSY: Anti. MR. ALTMILLER: Anti. Oh, anti -- 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 43 anti-CCP. I -- I understand now. Sorry. THE WITNESS: Correct. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Okay. And how was that representation made? Was it made verbally or in writing?** A Verbal. **Q And do you -- did you give him that \\$20,000?** A For that particular time maybe 10,000 I gave it -- to him, you know, back and forth several times. **Q And when we discussed the video equipment a few minutes ago, did you give him money for video equipment?** A Yes. **Q And how much did you give him?** A I don't remember the exact amount. It may be more than 10,000. **Q And you believe that the money that you gave to him in connection with video equipment and the broadcasting that you just testified to that he did not use it for the purpose that he said he was** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 44 **going to use it?** A That's the fifth reason I'm suiing him. He asked me for money to establish social media to go against the CCP, but as a token, he went to Canada using the same -- same excuses that -- that he needed the equipment to make direct broadcast to go against the CCP to expose the true intentions of CCP to the Western world. He used the same name as the money in Canada. He used the same reason and defrauded more than 170,000 out of one person. So that particular individual, Mr. Guo, lived in their house, drank their very expensive wine to a point that some -- you know, a person was vomiting blood. He used the excuse that he is supporting me, Guo Wengui, to disclose the -- to -- to expose the -- China's communist party and support the freedom and democracy in China. Those people believed him -- believed him with their life. So he used my name that he represent me to do all those things. When that particular individual learned about that he was -- go against me, he put out a threat to this family, stating that 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 45 they were in the -- in the black society. He even asked the Canadian Royal Police to arrest that family member. So he used the same method by threatening people, by distorting people, by cheating people to -- to achieve his goal. He used the name of supporting me and he -- he -- so for that particular person he was not able to go back to mainland China and his entire wealth and estate were in jeopardy because of what he did. That's the fifth reason I'm suiing him. The purpose is to protect people like that individual. So I recommend to my attorney to seek this person to become a witness in court. So I recommend to you, you know, to have this person to appear in court as a witness. **Q What do you think that Baosheng Guo did with the money that you gave to him?** A I heard that she -- he bought a house. **Q Who did you hear that from?** A From the website. **Q Whose website?** A From Internet, from Internet.\n\n| 32 | | | |\n|--------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------|--|--|\n| Page 46 | Page 48 | | |\n| 1
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Do you know what -- what page or -- or | MR. ALTMILLER: Right.
1 | | |\n| what author? | THE WITNESS: -- from the social -- from | | |\n| 2 | 2 | | |\n| 3
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Lots of them. They're in the documents | 3
the media, social media. From the social media. | | |\n| that we provided. And that's the sixth reason I'm | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | | |\n| 4 | 4 | | |\n| suiing him. Through the law of the United States,
5 | Q
And who -- okay. So from social media,
5 | | |\n| 6 | 6 | | |\n| through the court of the United States, I hope the | who on social media said that he had used the money | | |\n| judge can conduct an investigation exactly how much | 7 | | |\n| 7 | to purchase a house? | | |\n| money Mr. Guo Baosheng distorted.
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Our -- our colleagues who against CCP.
8 | | |\n| There are people who are willing to | 9 | | |\n| 9 | CHECK INTERPRETER: Maybe comrades. | | |\n| appear in court as witness because he defrauded | 10 | | |\n| 10 | THE WITNESS: My comrades. My comrades | | |\n| \\$2.08 million. This witness is willing to appear in | who are against CCP. There was -- I saw photo. | | |\n| 11 | 11 | | |\n| court. This person who owns a -- a roasting duck | 12 | | |\n| 12 | Mr. Guo Wengui was in the photo with the gentleman, | | |\n| store here, this person is willing to -- to be the | 13 | | |\n| 13 | his attorney -- | | |\n| witness to -- and he was one who recommended | CHECK INTERPRETER: Guo Baosheng. | | |\n| 14 | 14 | | |\n| attorneys here to represent him. He also said that | 15 | | |\n| 15 | THE INTERPRETER: Guo Baosheng. | | |\n| he will get \\$3 million and split 50/50, 1.5 million | 16 | | |\n| 16 | MR. MORRISSY: The Defendant. | | |\n| each. | THE WITNESS: I saw a photo. Mr. Guo | | |\n| 17 | 17 | | |\n| So when they win this case, they will | 18 | | |\n| 18 | Baosheng was in it with this gentleman right here, | | |\n| receive \\$3 million from me at which point they will | 19 | | |\n| 19 | and Guo Baosheng said that he retained an attorney | | |\n| split the 3 million 50/50. So the fifth reason I'm | and after that event our case was moved from one | | |\n| 20 | 20 | | |\n| suiing him is I'm hoping the court will just summon | 21 | | |\n| 21 | court to a different court and the new court judge I | | |\n| those witnesses that are talking about the owner of | 22 | | |\n| 22 | heard this -- is a person who look down or | | |\n| | | | |\n| Misty Klapper & Associates | Misty Klapper & Associates | | |\n| 703-780-9559 | 703-780-9559 | | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| Page 47 | Page 49 | | |\n| this Beijing duck roast stores and have my attorney | 1 | | |\n| 1 | discriminative against Chinese people. | | |\n| to explain exactly where the money comes from and is | So -- and he also said that this new | | |\n| 2 | 2 | | |\n| going, how much money Mr. Guo Baosheng has spent to | 3 | | |\n| 3 | attorney they hired look like certain president, so | | |\n| buy his house and where did this \\$2.08 million went | 4 | | |\n| 4 | I'm asking you, are you the descendent of Mr. | | |\n| and for -- in order to seek justice for those who | President Carter? | | |\n| 5 | 5 | | |\n| 6 | 6 | | |\n| support the victims that was -- victimized by CCP. | MR. MORRISSY: First of all, can we just | | |\n| 7
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put your appearance on the record so we know who | | |\n| reports that you had relied upon in concluding that | we're talking about here? | | |\n| 8 | 8 | | |\n| 9 | 9 | | |\n| Baosheng Guo had used money from you to buy a house. | MR. LAUFER: We're talking about my | | |\n| MR. MORRISSY: He didn't say anything | 10 | | |\n| 10 | partner, James Eisenhower, who is related to the -- | | |\n| about reports. | to former President Dwight Eisenhower. | | |\n| 11 | 11 | | |\n| 12 | 12 | | |\n| MR. ALTMILLER: He said he provided -- he | MR. MORRISSY: Can we -- I'm sorry. Just | | |\n| said he read it on the Internet and he said he | 13 | | |\n| 13 | for the sake of identifying who was speaking -- | | |\n| provided that to -- to -- to us. And we can read | MR. LAUFER: Yeah. My name is Alexander | | |\n| 14 | 14 | | |\n| 15 | 15 | | |\n| back the answer. I just -- | Laufer, and I'm not related to any former presidents | | |\n| MR. MORRISSY: Yeah, he said he read it | 16 | | |\n| 16 | or politician of any kind. | | |\n| on the -- the Internet. | MR. MORRISSY: And -- and you're also | | |\n| 17 | 17 | | |\n| 18 | 18 | | |\n| MR. ALTMILLER: Yeah. And then he said | counsel for Defendant -- | | |\n| that he had provided that information to us or to | 19 | | |\n| 19 | MR. LAUFER: That is correct. | | |\n| you. I shouldn't say to us. | MR. MORRISSY: -- just so -- | | |\n| 20 | 20 | | |\n| 21 | 21 | | |\n| MR. MORRISSY: Okay. | MR. LAUFER: Yes. | | |\n| THE WITNESS: I said from the Internet -- | 22 | | |\n| 22 | MR. MORRISSY: That's all. | | |\n| Misty Klapper & Associates | Misty Klapper & Associates | | |\n| 703-780-9559 | 703-780-9559 | | |\n\n| | 32 | | | |\n|----------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|\n| | Page 50 | | Page 52 | |\n| 1 | MR. ALTMILLER: So we -- we should put | 1 | I mean -- | |\n| 2 | that on the record. | 2 | MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Okay. | |\n| 3 | THE WITNESS: So after -- after Guo | 3 | MR. MORRISSY: Yeah, I mean, I think the | |\n| 4 | Baosheng tweeted that information -- so after Mr. | 4 | testimony was that it was on the Internet and posted | |\n| 5 | Guo Baosheng tweeted the certain information, indeed | 5 | by non-parties and he saw it. | |\n| 6 | our case was moved from one of the state court to | 6 | MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. | |\n| 7 | another and the -- and after what you said, this -- | 7 | MR. MORRISSY: I think that was the | |\n| 8 | this proved that Mr. Guo Baosheng did hire a | 8 | substance of his testimony. | |\n| 9 | descendent of a certain president to represent him. | 9 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | |\n| 10 | Now, that -- he said that it's a threat | 10 | Q
And does that constitute your -- or is | |\n| 11 | to us because he also state -- stated that the new | 11 | that the basis for your belief that he used your | |\n| 12 | judge is discriminatory against Chinese people. So | 12 | money to buy a house? | |\n| 13 | based on what he said, that represent that Mr. Guo | 13 | A
That's -- that's not it. Not only he | |\n| 14 | Baosheng is not respectful of the U.S. laws and, | 14 | used that money to purchase a house, but he is a | |\n| 15 | therefore, we need to -- to bring the truth out. We | 15 | person without any ethics. He's using this logan of | |\n| 16 | need to seek justice and give equitable result to | 16 | defending democracy to defraud people. He defrauded | |\n| 17 | the comrades that support us who against CCP. | 17 | most of the people that -- that are against the | |\n| 18 | I highly urge my attorney and the other | 18 | communist party. | |\n| 19 | attorneys that -- take a good look of the Twitter | 19 | Secondly, he wrote a book. And the -- | |\n| 20 | that Guo Baosheng tweeted because that kind of | 20 | the name of the book is called The Professional. So | |\n| 21 | language create a great pressure to all of us and | 21 | using the -- the pseudonym Manda, M-A-N-D-A, he said | |\n| 22 | create pressure to those who support us to go | 22 | that the book, Professional, has sold for -- 800 | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates | |\n| | | | | |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 | |\n| | Page 51 | | Page 53 | |\n| 1 | against -- those who go against communist party. | 1 | million copies and he -- it -- and it was on top 10 | |\n| 2 | Just think about it; why is -- he stressed the new | 2 | most read -- or top 10 sale list in the United | |\n| 3 | attorney he hire is a white person. What's the | 3 | States. A lot of students fell for it and purchased | |\n| 4 | difference between a white attorney versus colored | 4 | his book. | |\n| 5 | attorney? He made such a tweet even before the case | 5 | He claim himself as a teacher and a | |\n| 6 | was moved to a different court. | 6 | scholar so a lot of students in Germany and China | |\n| 7 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 7 | fell into his trap. | |\n| 8 | Q
Okay. I -- I might have been less than | 8 | Additionally, other than purchasing the | |\n| 9 | clear in my question. I wasn't asking about that. | 9 | house, he claim himself -- he claim that he is a -- | |\n| 10 | So what I was asking about is you had said that | 10 | he's a pastor. He traveled to places explaining the | |\n| 11 | he -- you had heard that he had used money from you | 11 | Bible, representing God and, however, he went to | |\n| 12 | to buy a house. And I'm asking from whom did you | 12 | Japan, Tokyo by using my name. He visited a strip | |\n| 13 | hear that. I'm looking for the names of the people | 13 | club. | |\n| 14 | who posted on social media who told you that. | 14 | So what I'm saying to you is that he used | |\n| 15 | A
A lot of them floating around in social | 15 | the name of the book to -- to defraud students. He | |\n| 16 | media. If that information is not enclosed in the | 16 | used the name of against -- against the CCP to | |\n| 17 | material that I submitted, I can go back and look it | 17 | defraud those who are democratically clean people | |\n| 18 | up, if -- if I didn't submit it. | 18 | and that is the seventh reason I'm suiing him. | |\n| 19
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Okay. I don't remember seeing that, but
I will -- | 19 | CHECK INTERPRETER: And also the witness
said that he used the name of being pastor and then | |\n| 21 | MR. MORRISSY: Well, it wasn't anything | 20
21 | cheating God. | |\n| 22 | that was even close to asked for in your demands, so | 22 | THE INTERPRETER: He used the name as | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates | |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 16 of\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 54 pastor, cheating God. MR. MORRISSY: Can -- can we take a five-minute break? MR. ALTMILLER: Sure. MR. MORRISSY: Go off the record for a moment. MR. ALTMILLER: Sounds good. Okay. VIDEO OPERATOR: We're going off the record at 11:48, 11:48. (Thereupon, a recess was taken.) VIDEO OPERATOR: We're back on the record at 11:59. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Is there any reason other than the social media that you read that you believe that Baosheng Guo purchased a house with -- with money he received from you?** A Yes. Yes, there are other reasons. You know, he used the name as a pastor to -- went to Japan and went to a strip club. He went to Taiwan, visited a lot of officials. He went to Japan and 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 55 met with Mr. Li Xioa Mu. And all those things that he did has nothing to do with -- exposed the -- the communist parties or support our revolution, nothing with that. So he went to different places, collect all -- a whole bunch of money and he was very poor originally, so for all those money that he collected he was able to buy a house. **Q And the reason you believe that, is that only from what you read in social media? Is there any other reason that you believe that he bought a house with these proceeds that he received?** A Because we're -- during a -- phone conversations, he many times would iterate that he was very poor and that he went all over the place to -- soliciting our comrades for money, including the person in Canada that I mentioned, Robert Wang. CHECK INTERPRETER: The Check Interpreter thinks that the witness actually say over the telephone conversation Guo Baosheng claimed that he was very poor, so he would not have the money to buy the house. And he went all over the place to 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 56 solicit money, including to Canada and from Robert Wang. So I believe that the money that he solicited he used to purchase the house. THE WITNESS: That's it. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So where did he purchase the house?** A I think somewhere in Virginia. **Q Okay. Now, you said that there were other witnesses that you hope would testify with regard to fraud that was committed by Baosheng Guo. What are the names of those witnesses?** A All those peoples are on the watchlist of the CCP, so their life is in danger in the event those information were disclosed. So I would like -- I will -- I cannot tell you at this point. However, if we go through the court procedures to assure their safety and to protect their identities, then we can -- we can talk about the witnesses. Otherwise, I don't want those information to be used by you attorneys or by Mr. Guo Baosheng to hand it over to the CCP. Just like after he had a round of the 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 57 drinking with you guys, then he posted a photo of you all, claiming that his attorney is a descendent of certain president. So I don't want the same thing to happen for him to accidentally disclose those information. **Q All right. The -- the -- well, let me ask you this: Did Baosheng Guo represent to you that he needed \\$2,000 for traveling expenses in relation to this group whose goal it was to assist victims of the CCP?** MR. MORRISSY: Sorry. Just to be clear. I'm not sure if this is a difference without a distinction, but was it to assist victims or was it anti-CCP? MR. ALTMILLER: So here's -- I can -- I'm only going by the allegations in the complaint. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. MR. ALTMILLER: The allegations in the complaint state that there was a group whose goal it was to assist victims of the CCP. This is referred to in caps, Chinese Support Group, the Chinese Support Group. The allegation in the complaint that\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 58 I'm reading directly from is that Baosheng Guo represented to Plaintiff that Defendant needed \\$2,000 for traveling expenses pertaining to the Chinese Support Group. Since that's a defined term, I'm actually defining it in -- every time I ask that question so that the question is clear. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. Good. Thank you. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Do you believe that Baosheng Guo received a lot of money from the Chinese government in order to say critical things about you?** A Yes. **Q Okay. With regard to what we just discussed with the \\$2,000 for traveling expenses, did you give him that \\$2,000?** A Yes. **Q And when he represented to you that he needed it for traveling expenses, how did he make that representation to you? Was it verbal or was it in writing?** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 59 A Verbal. **Q And you have alleged that Baosheng Guo represented to you that he needed \\$10,000 to arrange a support conference for you in Washington; is that true?** A Yes. MR. MORRISSY: Didn't we go over this previously? MR. ALTMILLER: No. I'm just -- I'm -- no, I haven't -- I haven't asked that question. That's a different one. It's a different allegation and it's a different -- presumably, it's a different time frame. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. Sorry. Thank you. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Is -- is that true?** A Correct, yes. **Q And was that representation also made verbally to you?** A Yes. **Q And did you give him \\$10,000 or any money in response to that representation?** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 60 A Yeah, I gave him 10,000. Once again, it's not that I gave it to him. He defrauded me instead. **Q I understand. When I use the word give, I don't want to be -- transferred is probably a better word. And -- and he also represented to you that he could provide important details on corrupted Chinese government officials in exchange for \\$10,000; is that correct?** A Ten thousand, yes. **Q And did you give him that 10 -- excuse me -- did you transfer that \\$10,000 to him?** A Yes. **Q Okay. And did he make that representation verbally or did he make it in writing?** A Verbal. **Q Okay. You have alleged that Baosheng Guo tweeted the following: Guo states that he was sentenced to prison during the students' movement in 1989 for providing fund to the students, but he was actually charged with false pretenses, so he was** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 61 **obviously lying. Did Baosheng Guo quote -- tweet that?** A I don't remember. **Q That statement, was that -- is -- is that statement false? And -- and let me rephrase it. The statement that I just said that you alleged that Baosheng Guo had tweeted; is that statement false?** MR. MORRISSY: Can you just turn it around and -- MR. ALTMILLER: Let's do that. You know, I'm actually -- actually, I already regret the question, so I'm going to -- I'm going to -- will just withdraw it and then I'm going to ask it in a much more specific way. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Is it -- is it true that you stated that you were sentenced to prison during the students' movement in 1989 for providing funds to students?** MR. ALTMILLER: And I want to be clear when I ask him this. I'm asking is it true that he stated it. I'm not asking is it true that it happened. I'm asking whether or not he's ever\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 18 of\n\n| Page 62 | Page 64 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | THE INTERPRETER: Hackers to frame |\n| stated that. | 1 |\n| THE WITNESS: I don't remember. | Chinese activists? |\n| 2 | 2 |\n| 3 | 3 |\n| BY MR. ALTMILLER: | MR. ALTMILLER: Human rights activists. |\n| 4
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And were you ever sentenced to prison in | THE INTERPRETER: Human rights activists.
4 |\n| China? | THE WITNESS: That's incorrect. |\n| 5 | 5 |\n| 6
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And what was it for? | clear that I was asking him whether or not it was
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Anti-revolution -- incite -- incite
8 | tweeted, not whether or not the statement was true,
8 |\n| 9 | 9 |\n| revolution. | but whether or not Baosheng had tweeted that. |\n| 10
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Inciting revolution? | MR. MORRISSY: I mean, has admitted these
10 |\n| A
Inciting.
11 | statements, so --
11 |\n| 12 | 12 |\n| CHECK INTERPRETER: Inciting | MR. ALTMILLER: All right. Let's -- |\n| 13 | 13 |\n| anti-revolution. | I'm -- I'm trying to get foundation because I get |\n| THE INTERPRETER: Inciting | into a problem when I ask about -- |\n| 14 | 14 |\n| 15 | 15 |\n| anti-revolution. | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 16
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You know what, I'm happy to jump in and |\n| 17
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And how long were you in prison? | ask it this way: Have you ever been suspected of
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Twenty-two months. | 18
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Nineteen years old.
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MR. MORRISSY: How would he know? |\n| 22 | 22 |\n| that Baosheng Guo tweeted in English that you are | MR. ALTMILLER: I'm okay if the answer is |\n| Misty Klapper & Associates | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | |\n| 703-780-9559 | 703-780-9559 |\n| Page 63 | Page 65 |\n| 1 | 1 |\n| suspected of collaborating with hackers to frame | I don't know. |\n| Chinese human rights activists. Is that correct | MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. No. It calls for |\n| 2 | 2 |\n| that Baosheng Guo has tweeted that? | speculation. |\n| 3 | 3 |\n| 4 | 4 |\n| MR. MORRISSY: Are we just going to go | THE WITNESS: Never. Those were the |\n| down the complaint and ask if -- ask if the | sayings by the communist party. |\n| 5 | 5 |\n| allegations in the complaint are true? | MR. ALTMILLER: I'm happy to accept your |\n| 6 | 6 |\n| 7 | 7 |\n| MR. ALTMILLER: Not really, but we're | answer, by the way. If -- if we want to establish |\n| going down the -- the really important ones because | that the witness' answer to whether or not this |\n| 8 | 8 |\n| we can skip the first 100. So, actually, it leaves | statement is true is I don't know, I'm -- I'm very |\n| 9 | 9 |\n| 10 | 10 |\n| very few when you get out of the legal conclusions. | happy with that answer. |\n| | |\n| I'm actually pretty much almost finished asking | MR. MORRISSY: I'm -- I'm not sure that's |\n| 11 | 11 |\n| issues in here. | what his answer was. |\n| 12 | 12 |\n| 13 | 13 |\n| MR. MORRISSY: Okay. | MR. ALTMILLER: Well, you told me he |\n| MR. ALTMILLER: I just need to -- I need | couldn't know, so I'm -- |\n| 14 | 14 |\n| to know what -- I just need to know answers to some | MR. MORRISSY: No. I told you it calls |\n| 15 | 15 |\n| 16 | 16 |\n| of these. | for speculation. |\n| BY MR. ALTMILLER: | MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. |\n| 17 | 17 |\n| Q
So let me just first ask, did -- did --
18 | MR. MORRISSY: I said, how is he supposed
18 |\n| 19 | 19 |\n| do you -- is it true that Baosheng Guo has tweeted | to know. |\n| 20 | THE WITNESS: So the questions you ask |\n| that? I'm sorry. And I'll say tweeted that Wengui | 20 |\n| Guo is suspected of collaborating with hackers to | were the rumors spread by the CCP on the web. |\n| 21 | 21 |\n| 22
frame Chinese human rights activists. | 22 |\n| | |\n| Misty Klapper & Associates | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| 703-780-9559 | 703-780-9559 |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 19 of\n\n| | 32 | | |\n|--------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Page 66 | | Page 68 |\n| 1 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 1 | incurred as a result of this defamation that you |\n| 2 | Q
Okay. So the CCP spread -- spread rumors | 2 | allege Mr. Baosheng committed? |\n| 3 | on the web that you were suspected of collaborating | 3 | A
Yes. |\n| 4 | with hackers to frame Chinese human rights | 4 | Q
And with regard to the assets in -- that |\n| 5 | activists; is that correct? | 5 | you have in China, what assets are being damaged in |\n| 6 | A
Correct. | 6 | China? |\n| 7 | Q
Okay. All right. | 7 | A
Golden Spring, Beijing and Zenith, |\n| 8 | A
That question is -- really helped CCP. | 8 | Z-E-N-I-T-H, and Pangu Investment, Fountain |\n| 9 | Q
Now, you have alleged that you've | 9 | Security. |\n| 10 | suffered damages as a result of these statements by | 10 | MR. PODHASKIE: Founders. |\n| 11 | Baosheng Guo; is that correct? | 11 | THE WITNESS: Founders Security. |\n| 12 | A
Grave damage, yes. | 12 | MR. MORRISSY: Founders. |\n| 13 | Q
And can you, please, describe what that | 13 | THE INTERPRETER: Oh, Founders Security. |\n| 14 | damage is that you suffered as a result of these | 14 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 15 | statements by Baosheng Guo? | 15 | Q
Are all -- are these companies? |\n| 16 | A
What he said caused great hurt and damage | 16 | A
Yes. |\n| 17 | to my family members in China. After his rumor and | 17 | Q
And do you own these companies? |\n| 18 | after he said things against me, my family members | 18 | A
No. My family. |\n| 19 | and my assets in China suffered a great deal. After | 19 | Q
Okay. And the employees that you |\n| 20 | my family members saw the video that he posted, they | 20 | discussed, are they employees of these companies |\n| 21 | weren't able to go to sleep. They have to -- using | 21 | that you've listed? |\n| 22 | a sleeping aid or sleeping pills. | 22 | A
Yes. |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 67 | | Page 69 |\n| 1 | So -- so the court in Dalian after | 1 | Q
Okay. Okay. And -- and were you fined |\n| 2 | the case -- so the court in Dalian -- | 2 | 13 -- was it \\$13 billion or -- |\n| 3 | CHECK INTERPRETER: D-A-L-I-A-N. | 3 | A
870 billion -- okay. 8.7 billion cash; |\n| 4 | THE WITNESS: Dalian. After the -- after | 4 | 4.0 billion shares, total of 13 billion, around. |\n| 5 | the case of that person that we talked about before | 5 | Q
And was that a fine to the companies or |\n| 6 | and they fined me \\$13 billion and after that -- so | 6 | to somebody personally? |\n| 7 | he -- they used Guo Baosheng's videotapes as | 7 | A
The company. |\n| 8
9 | evidence in the court and using that to threaten my
family, caused a grave danger to my family's safety | 8
9 | Q
Okay. All right. Do you -- do you have
any documents related to the actions that were taken |\n| 10 | as well as my employees' safety, claiming that I was | 10 | in China that you've just described? |\n| 11 | doing bad things overseas and they used Guo | 11 | A
Yes. |\n| 12 | Baosheng's videos and Twitter as evidence in court. | 12 | Q
Have they been produced to your attorney? |\n| 13 | And that's the eighth reason I must sue | 13 | A
I will do that. We will do that. I |\n| 14 | Guo Baosheng for him to stop further hurting my | 14 | don't believe you asked for it. |\n| 15 | family members, my employees, my comrades as well as | 15 | Q
Okay. The -- the companies; Golden |\n| 16 | my assets. | 16 | Spring and Zenith and Pangu and Founders Security, |\n| 17 | So I'm pleading to my attorney and you as | 17 | those are companies that are not owned by you, but |\n| 18 | well to increase the damage that -- or the dollar | 18 | they're owned by your family, correct? |\n| 19 | amount that Mr. Guo Baosheng should pay. | 19 | MR. MORRISSY: Just to clarify, what does |\n| 20 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 20 | that mean, owned by? We need to clarify what that |\n| 21 | Q
And are -- those damages that you just | 21 | means. I know he said it, but -- |\n| 22 | described, are those all the damages that you have | 22 | MR. ALTMILLER: Yeah, so I'm trying to |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates
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703-780-9559 |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 20 of\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 70 clarify. I mean, I'm -- MR. MORRISSY: Well, no. It doesn't seem like it from your question. You're just glossing over what owned by his family means, right? MR. ALTMILLER: Not by him. How is that? Owned by people that are not Wengui Guo. MR. MORRISSY: I'm not sure that's what he means. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Well, then that's what I'm trying to find out. That's why I clarified it by saying owned by his family and not by him. I didn't just say owned by his family. I said owned by his family and not by him. THE WITNESS: No, no, you're wrong. MR. PODHASKIE: You want to go off the record? I can explain. MR. ALTMILLER: I don't mind. I'll go off the record to -- I mean, I just want to know. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. Yeah. No. I hear you, and I'm -- I'm just trying to let you know -- MR. ALTMILLER: All right. Let's -- MR. MORRISSY: -- that you're going down 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 71 a path that is sort of incorrect. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. MR. MORRISSY: I think it might be a product of translation and -- MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. MR. MORRISSY: Not that there's anything wrong with the translation. Just -- MR. ALTMILLER: Let's -- let's just go off and I'm happy to clarify. I'm -- I'm not trying to create a misimpression. VIDEO OPERATOR: We're going off the record at 12:26. (Thereupon, a discussion was had off the record.) VIDEO OPERATOR: We're back on the record at 12:29. MR. ALTMILLER: All right. Now, we have stipulated that the companies that were described are owned by a fund, which is in turn owned by the family of the deponent, Wengui Guo. Right. Okay. I'm sorry. MR. LAUFER: Well, we're stipulating to 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 72 the testimony. We don't know that it's true. MR. MORRISSY: Right, yeah. Yeah, we're stipulating that the testimony of the deponent is that his family of which he is a part -- MR. ALTMILLER: Right. MR. MORRISSY: -- is a beneficiary of a fund, for lack of a better word or understanding, that owns and controls certain entities. MR. ALTMILLER: Right. Okay. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So now let me ask this then: What is your percentage ownership of that fund that owns the companies?** A We are listed as beneficiaries. We do not designate percentages. **Q Okay. Okay. And you believe that the actions that were taken against these companies were taken specifically because of statements that were made by Baosheng Guo on his Twitter feed, correct?** A Yes. **Q Okay. And is there a reason why you believe that the government took that action in** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 73 **response to the tweets by Baosheng Guo?** A No. MR. ALTMILLER: I'm going to tell you what, let's do this -- I actually have really just two primary topics to go over next, and the next one I have is pretty big and I was planning on taking a break around 12:45 anyway to break for lunch and Alex needs to feed the meter. So I'm actually pretty hopeful that we can -- we don't have that much longer; I mean, you know, maybe an hour or two on this stuff. So if that's good -- MR. MORRISSY: How long do -- so do you want to break now? THE WITNESS: Continue is okay. I don't want to stop; continue. MR. MORRISSY: If we have an hour, why break? MR. ALTMILLER: Well, it might be -- it might go to two. I'll tell you what, let's go -- let's -- let's go and see where -- let's see where it takes us.\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 21 of\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 74 MR. MORRISSY: If we need to break to feed meters, that's one thing, obviously, but -- MR. LAUFER: Yeah, that's fine with me. I'll run down and -- MR. MORRISSY: Okay. But if -- MR. LAUFER: That's fine. MR. MORRISSY: But, yeah, I mean, if we're an hour or two off, let's just power through. I mean, the deponent doesn't mind, as long as you don't mind. Oh, of course, and you too. MR. ALTMILLER: Well, I mean, I'm just -- I'm just thinking about it. I don't want to -- I don't want to stress people out too much and -- and at some point I do need to get fed and I -- I don't want to get, you know, hangry. But let's -- let's do this: Let's -- let's keep rolling and let's see where it takes us. MR. MORRISSY: And by all means, if the Interpreter or the Court Reporter needs to break, please let us know. MR. ALTMILLER: And I'm -- I'm going to want to break in, you know, an hour anyway, but -- 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 75 but let's -- let's see where -- let's see where we go. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q All right. Do you have a -- a website called guo -- www.guo.media? Is that your website?** A No. MR. ALTMILLER: Let's -- let's mark this as an exhibit. (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit Number 1 was marked for Identification.) BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q What I've handed you is a -- a printout, and I'm not as concerned right now with the English translation that's below it, but really with just the screenshots that are -- are there and I wanted to just see what -- if you recognized any of these postings that are in Chinese and -- and if you made those postings.** MR. MORRISSY: So just to be clear, the document that's been marked as an exhibit says on the top: 3 -- 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 76 MR. ALTMILLER: Yes. MR. MORRISSY: -- Twitter in www.guo.media? MR. ALTMILLER: Yes. MR. MORRISSY: What -- what does that mean? MR. ALTMILLER: It means absolutely nothing for the purposes of the exhibit. And I think we can stipulate that it is not -- MR. MORRISSY: Okay. MR. ALTMILLER: -- part of the exhibit. In fact, the only thing I'm asking the -- the deponent about is -- are -- are the screenshots. We can get to other parts of this later, but I want to simply identify the screenshots and if -- if he recognizes those at all. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q And where were these posted or how were they posted?** THE INTERPRETER: Where or how? 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 77 MR. ALTMILLER: Yes. THE WITNESS: Guo Media. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q And what is Guo Media?** A It's a social media platform similar to that of Twitter. I am one of the user -- one of the users. **Q Did you create this platform?** A I did not create it. I'm one of the participants. I'm just a consultant. That's all. **Q Who is the Guo in Guo Media?** A This Guo related to the disclosure of informations. So it is kind of a strategic decision that is used to disclose -- disclose information. **Q Is -- is -- does the Guo in Guo.media refer to any person?** A No. It just means disclosure of informations for revolution. **Q And were you at all involved in the creation of this platform?** A I did not participate. I just suggested. MR. ALTMILLER: Just what?\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 78 THE INTERPRETER: Suggested. MR. ALTMILLER: Suggested. CHECK INTERPRETER: The Check -- the Check Interpreter thinks it might be better to use made recommendations. I did not participate. I merely made recommendations instead of use the word suggested. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. That's -- that's fine. THE INTERPRETER: I made a recommendation. That's fine. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q To whom did you make recommendations with regard to Guo Media?** A Investment company of Guo Media. **Q Did they come to you for advice or recommendations?** A Yes. **Q Do you have any ownership interest in the -- in Guo Media or in the company that owns Guo Media?** A No. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 79 **Q Are you featured in any way prominently on www.guo.media?** MR. MORRISSY: Please clarify what you mean by prominently. Maybe he will. THE WITNESS: The wording you're using is very similar to that of the communist party. What do you mean by featured or prominent? BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Okay. Well, I don't -- I don't want to use the language of a communist government. Is your picture found on the website www.guo.media?** A Sure. A lot of people's photos were up there, not -- not just me. **Q Okay.** A It is just a place that you transfer or transmit informations and photos, not just my photos. **Q So if you go to Guo Media, on the very first page, does it have your picture?** A The first page -- the first page does not have my photos. It has many other photos. **Q Okay. Let me -- let me -- let me ask you** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 80 **about the -- well, you know what, I'm going -- I'm going to do this with the -- let's look at this.** MR. ALTMILLER: Let's mark this as Number 2. (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit Number 2 was marked for Identification.) BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Do you recognize this document?** A I recognize it. **Q Did you make these posts?** MR. MORRISSY: I'm sorry. Which document are we looking at? MR. ALTMILLER: Number 2. Sorry. Number 2. Fair enough. MR. MORRISSY: Because he had that behind Number 1. So do that one. Sorry. THE WITNESS: Yes, it's part -- it's just part of it. The source was Guo Baosheng. I re-tweeted it. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So he had tweeted his driver's license** 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 81 **and passport and you re-tweeted it?** A The document that he re-tweeted included those documents and I re-tweeted it. **Q Okay. So you got those documents from a tweet from Baosheng Guo?** A Yes. **Q Okay. Okay.** MR. MORRISSY: Got what documents? MR. ALTMILLER: The passport and driver's license. MR. MORRISSY: But that's not -- I don't think that's exactly what he said. I think the testimony was that these things were part of a document that he re-tweeted. MR. ALTMILLER: Right. In other words, I understood his testimony to be that he never had those documents, that he got them because somebody probably -- I assume my client -- tweeted them. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. I'm only -- MR. ALTMILLER: Tweeted a document that had that in there. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. It was what he\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 82 filed with the court. I mean, it's no secret. He filed this picture with the court and then he tweeted it. MR. ALTMILLER: Wait. He filed -- MR. MORRISSY: He filed this photograph and this photograph with the court. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. MR. MORRISSY: It's a -- it's a public filing. And then he sent out a tweet about it. You don't know that? Yeah. It's in the court file. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. I got you. MR. PODHASKIE: It's part of the notice of removal. MR. ALTMILLER: Oh. MR. MORRISSY: Or some letter that preceded the -- the notice of removal. MR. ALTMILLER: So it's part -- it's part of the notice of removal? Okay. That's why I ask -- that's why I ask questions in discovery. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. No. I just want to make sure that it -- yeah, it was -- I mean, the document that was filed with the court -- 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 83 MR. ALTMILLER: Right. MR. MORRISSY: -- by your client -- MR. ALTMILLER: Right. MR. MORRISSY: -- was given back to you in discovery, so it should be pretty clear that that's what happened. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. MR. MORRISSY: I mean, I -- I gave you that document back. MR. ALTMILLER: I understand. Well, that's why I said that's why -- that's why I ask questions, that's why I ask Interrogatories so people can say, hey, this is what happened and I go, okay, I don't have to ask that question. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. No. That happened and -- but you asked the question. MR. ALTMILLER: Let's do this, actually. All right. Let's mark this as 3. (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit Number 3 was marked for Identification.) 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 84 BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Now, what -- what I've handed to you is a certificate of translation that relates to some of the postings that we just looked at in Exhibit 1. I'm now referring to Exhibit 3 being the translation. This has been previously provided to your counsel. Let me ask, have you seen this document before?** A I've seen it. **Q And -- and, actually, let me -- let me revise what I -- what I just said about that. Let me revise because I said something that was -- that was inaccurate. I was referring to the posts on -- on -- on Guo Media. These are actually translations of -- of videos. And --** A I understand. I have seen it. MR. MORRISSY: Is this what was given yesterday? MR. ALTMILLER: No, no. I -- this was -- was given yesterday, but it was given weeks before. I mean, I -- 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 85 MR. MORRISSY: But in a different form? MR. ALTMILLER: Yeah. We just -- I -- I delivered this in -- pursuant to the Rule 26 disclosures in our continuing duty to supplement the -- those -- those disclosures. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. Yeah. I just actually don't have it in front of me right now. MR. ALTMILLER: The -- MR. MORRISSY: You gave it to me. MR. ALTMILLER: Yeah. MR. MORRISSY: I just didn't have it in front of me when I asked the question. MR. ALTMILLER: Oh, okay. MR. MORRISSY: I'm -- I just asked for the clarification. That's all. MR. ALTMILLER: Oh, okay. Okay. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So you've seen this before. Do -- have you looked to see whether or not you think this accurately reflects the statements that were made in the videos that are identified?** A Yes, yes.\n\n| | 32 | | | |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|----------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Page 86 | | | Page 88 |\n| 1 | Q
And I want to talk about just a couple | 1 | A | Yvette Wong. |\n| 2 | of -- a couple of aspects of this, if I could. Did | 2 | Q | And who -- who is Yvette Wang? |\n| 3 | you refer to Baosheng Guo as a political liar, a | 3 | A | Was my former employee. Currently my |\n| 4 | religious liar and a beast? | 4 | | partner, a person who supports disclosure of |\n| 5 | A
Yes, I did. | 5 | | information, support the revolution. Also was hurt |\n| 6 | Q
And -- and that's because you believe | 6 | by the CCP. | |\n| 7 | that Baosheng Guo is a liar, correct? | 7 | Q | Jacki Wang, is it -- Wang? |\n| 8 | A
Yes. | 8 | A | One of the comrade in California who |\n| 9 | Q
And you have also said that he has | 9 | | opposed communist party. |\n| 10 | attempted to swindle money and defraud donations; is | 10 | Q | And he -- he was defrauded by Baosheng |\n| 11 | that correct? | 11 | Guo? | |\n| 12 | A
Yes. | 12 | A | Yes. |\n| 13 | Q
And you believe that to be true as well? | 13 | Q | How much was he defrauded out of? |\n| 14 | A
Correct. | 14 | A | He will not disclose the amount of money |\n| 15 | Q
And we've discussed the -- the reason you | 15 | | that he was defrauded because he was one of the |\n| 16 | believe that, I think, previously. And is that | 16 | | witness, was also the person who purchased or paid |\n| 17 | because you believe that he defrauded you? Correct? | 17 | | for the airline tickets and expenses. And the name |\n| 18 | A
Yes. | 18 | | is G.S. Muyang, GS M-U-Y-A-N-G. |\n| 19 | Q
And you believe that he did that to other | 19 | Q | Okay. And Robert Wang, who is that? |\n| 20 | human rights activists as well, correct? | 20 | A | Canadian person that was defrauded about |\n| 21 | A
Yes. | 21 | | 180,000 to 160,000 by him. |\n| 22 | Q
And is -- the reason that you believe | 22 | Q | Okay. And do you know how he was |\n| | | | | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | | | | |\n| | Page 87 | | | Page 89 |\n| 1 | that's the case is because of the frauds that you | 1 | | defrauded by Baosheng Guo? |\n| 2 | described earlier in your testimony against other | 2 | A | He used that he was supporting Guo |\n| 3 | human rights activists? | 3 | | Wengui, and he needed the money to host a conference |\n| 4 | A
Yes. | 4 | | and for travel expenses, et cetera. |\n| 5 | Q
And those are the -- the folks that you | 5 | Q | And you know this because Robert Wang |\n| 6 | can't give me their names because of the peril that | 6 | told you that? | |\n| 7 | it would put them in with the Chinese government, | 7 | A | Yes. |\n| 8 | correct? | 8 | Q | Okay. All right. Wayne -- what is it? |\n| 9 | A
Some of them I already disclosed in the | 9 | | THE INTERPRETER: Cao. |\n| 10 | document that I submitted. Some of them I cannot | 10 | | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 11 | disclose. | 11 | Q | -- Cao was also defrauded by Baosheng |\n| 12 | Q
The ones that you did disclose, can you | 12 | | Guo; is that correct? |\n| 13 | give me their names? | 13 | A | The money he defrauded from me he gave it |\n| 14 | A
One person's name is Mu Yung. The other | 14 | to Wayne Cao. | |\n| 15 | one is Jacki Wang, Sara and Robert Wang. I provided | 15 | | CHECK INTERPRETER: Wayne Cao gave the |\n| 16 | those names. Wayne Cao and Hank, Yvette Wang. | 16 | money to him. | |\n| 17 | MR. MORRISSY: Yvette. | 17 | | THE INTERPRETER: Oh, Wayne Cao gave the |\n| 18 | THE INTERPRETER: Yvette Wang. | 18 | money to -- | |\n| 19 | CHECK INTERPRETER: Yvette. | 19 | | CHECK INTERPRETER: The money that he |\n| 20 | MR. MORRISSY: Yvette. | 20 | | defrauded from him, it was Wayne Cao who hand the |\n| 21 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 21 | money to him. | |\n| 22 | Q
Y-V-E-T-T-E? | 22 | | THE WITNESS: Wayne Cao was the person |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 25 of\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 90 who gave the money to Guo Baosheng. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Oh, so that's somebody who gave it to -- to him on your behalf? Okay.** A I gave the money to Wayne Cao. Wayne Cao gave the money to Guo Baosheng. **Q Okay. How much money?** A Over \\$10,000 of cash and plus some wine and liquor, total about approximately 20,000. **Q Okay. I actually -- I meant to ask you, with regard to Exhibit 2, which was the driver's license and passport, is there a reason that you posted that on Guo Media?** MR. MORRISSY: Well, did he post it? That what -- that was never said in the testimony. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Well, I'll ask him. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah, let's clear that -- MR. ALTMILLER: He said he re-tweeted it, so -- MR. MORRISSY: Well, no, he didn't. He said that -- that's not what he said. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 91 MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. I will ask him -- I will ask him then what he said. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Did -- is this you posting the driver's license and passport of Baosheng Guo?** A No. Guo Baosheng, he, himself, tweeted that amongst his legal documents in court. I re-tweeted it. **Q Okay. That's what I thought you said. And I'm asking why you re-tweeted it?** A He tweeted it. I'm just helping him so that people know the progress of the case. **Q So you're doing it to help Baosheng Guo?** A I'm helping people to understand the progress of this case since he was the one who tweeted it, I re-tweeted it, because all those who were cheated by him were paying attention on the progress of the case. **Q The writing that's under the driver's license that's in Chinese, what does that say?** A Please log in. If you like it, please 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 92 share or leave a message. That's one of the function -- that's one of the function of Guo Media. Nothing to do with me. **Q Okay. All right.** MR. ALTMILLER: We'll take a break for a couple of minutes. VIDEO OPERATOR: We're going off the record at 12:59. (Thereupon, a recess was taken.) VIDEO OPERATOR: We're back on the record at 13:10. MR. MORRISSY: Just before we -- I know we were talking about breaks and we just took one and the need for nourishment, but on every break we take, we've sort of noticed a growing contingent of people outside and some from a media company that the Defendant has been known to give interviews with. And we believe that staying here for an extended period of time is a distinct threat to the safety of my client. So with that being said, you 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 93 know, if you want to -- let's go through it and if you want to take a break to call your client and ask him to ask the media company to back off, that would probably also be a positive thing. MR. ALTMILLER: I'm -- I'm totally with you and -- and my co-counsel just spoke what I was thinking, which is, do you guys have a back door? MR. MORRISSY: None that I've used before. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Because I don't want to deal with that. MR. MORRISSY: Right. Well, I mean, it's -- it's your client, right. It's a company called AMD that -- well, you can try, but it's, you know, it's -- I don't know any more than you do, but I've been given information that leads me to logically believe that it wasn't us who called this company or the people from the Chinese Embassy that may be there. MR. ALTMILLER: I will -- I will grant you that the suspects will dwindle once we eliminate the people in this room so, let's --\n\n| | 32 | | |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Page 94 | | Page 96 |\n| 1 | MR. MORRISSY: What do you mean | 1 | So he used -- against the CCP, and he's |\n| 2 | eliminate? | 2 | spoke against me, shows that he is a person who is |\n| 3 | MR. ALTMILLER: What -- I said once we | 3 | anti-democracy, a killer of the democracy, including |\n| 4 | eliminate the people in this room, the suspects | 4 | his actions today, summoned the media to -- to come |\n| 5 | would dwindle. | 5 | here. So his intention was to have the communist |\n| 6 | MR. LAUFER: The elevator says there's a | 6 | party's spy to kill me. |\n| 7 | lower lobby, a lobby and there's a lower lobby. | 7 | MR. ALTMILLER: And I should just also |\n| 8 | MR. MORRISSY: Um-hmm. | 8 | say that my co-counsel was just downstairs and we |\n| 9 | MR. ALTMILLER: Well, I'm not going to | 9 | may have an update on that situation. |\n| 10 | discuss escape plans. Let's -- we should -- | 10 | MR. LAUFER: Yeah. There's -- there's -- |\n| 11 | let's -- | 11 | there's absolutely nobody out there and the security |\n| 12 | MR. MORRISSY: I'm just saying, if -- you | 12 | detail has indicated that they have no concerns |\n| 13 | know, we should power through because if my client's | 13 | about it. |\n| 14 | security team believes that the risk is heightened | 14 | MR. MORRISSY: Well, the security detail |\n| 15 | to the point where another authority needs to be | 15 | for my client isn't going to share with you their |\n| 16 | called or he needs to be escorted out, that's going | 16 | concerns, first of all. And second of all, there's |\n| 17 | to have to happen. So let's -- | 17 | absolutely people on the street. It's DC. Did you |\n| 18 | MR. ALTMILLER: I hear you. | 18 | go from car to car and check who was in each car? |\n| 19 | MR. MORRISSY: But we don't want that to | 19 | We don't really know. So we'll get pictures of |\n| 20 | happen, so let's just move. | 20 | them. |\n| 21 | MR. ALTMILLER: I'm just trying to do a | 21 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 22 | deposition. | 22 | Q
Okay. Did you -- did you state that the |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | | | |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | Page 95 | | Page 97 |\n| 1 | THE WITNESS: (Unintelligible.) Legal? | 1 | Defendant would have sex with an animal? |\n| 2 | MR. ALTMILLER: For the record, I -- I -- | 2 | A
No. |\n| 3 | I can't respond to a question that's -- that | 3 | Q
Have you said -- have you stated that |\n| 4 | requests legal advice from a -- | 4 | Baosheng Guo has solicited prostitutes in Tokyo? |\n| 5 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 5 | A
I didn't say he solicited a prostitute. |\n| 6 | Q
All right. Let's -- let's move along. | 6 | I said that he went into strip club. Maybe it's a |\n| 7 | You -- you stated that -- that Baosheng Guo is a | 7 | translation error. |\n| 8 | killer of the democratic movement out to secure a | 8 | Q
Okay. I'm just asking. And why did you |\n| 9 | show in Las Vegas? | 9 | state that Baosheng Guo went to a strip club? |\n| 10 | A
Yes. | 10 | A
Because a comrade who supported me in |\n| 11 | Q
And you believe that to be true; is that | 11 | Japan told me, plus Li Xioa Mu also told me that he |\n| 12 | correct? | 12 | went to a strip club in Tokyo. I don't know if -- |\n| 13 | A
Yes. | 13 | if it's a translation error, whether those people in |\n| 14 | Q
How do you think that he is a killer of | 14 | the strip club are qualified or so-called |\n| 15 | the democratic movement? | 15 | prostitute, but he listed the strip club. |\n| 16 | A
Because he defrauded and then also fool | 16 | Additionally, he was the one who paid the |\n| 17 | those people who come against CCP. And those people | 17 | bill. |\n| 18 | who paid the price of their life and of their | 18 | Q
And -- and who are these -- these people |\n| 19 | families, because in the past 70 years there's no | 19 | who told you that? |\n| 20 | one like myself that is outspoken against the -- | 20 | A
Li Xioa Mu. He was the person who paid |\n| 21 | against the -- the communist party and is | 21 | the expenses on his behalf when they went to the |\n| 22 | anti-revolutionary. | 22 | strip club to see women strip their clothes off. |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates
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Okay. Did you ever state that Baosheng | 1 | party and those are not facts. |\n| 2 | Guo was poor and would not be able to file suit or | 2 | Q
What is your current net worth? |\n| 3 | defend a lawsuit? | 3 | A
Negative. |\n| 4 | A
Yes, I said that. | 4 | Q
Okay. |\n| 5 | Q
Did you state that the reason that | 5 | A
On many media outlet, I already said that |\n| 6 | Baosheng Guo removed his complaint to federal court | 6 | I don't have any more money, even with -- my 13 |\n| 7 | was so that he could hand pick a judge? | 7 | billion assets in my homeland was confiscated. So I |\n| 8 | A
No, that's not what I said. No. | 8 | have negative assets and that's why I'm suiing. |\n| 9 | Q
Did you make any statement about why | 9 | CHECK INTERPRETER: He said 1.3 billion. |\n| 10 | Baosheng Guo would have removed the case to federal | 10 | (Cross talking in English and |\n| 11 | court? | 11 | Chinese.) |\n| 12 | A
I already answered your question. Guo | 12 | THE INTERPRETER: That's what he said, 13 |\n| 13 | Baosheng was the one who tweeted the photos bragging | 13 | billion. |\n| 14 | that they had a drink with this attorney who is a | 14 | CHECK INTERPRETER: Because what he said, |\n| 15 | descendent of President Carter. So he was the one | 15 | (Chinese), that is 1.3 billion. But now that he |\n| 16 | who tweeted that and that -- to show us that he also | 16 | corrected it, so -- |\n| 17 | have the case moved to a different court. He | 17 | (Cross-talking.) |\n| 18 | tweeted that the judge at this new court | 18 | THE WITNESS: Yeah, yeah, right. |\n| 19 | discriminate against Chinese people; Asian people, | 19 | Thirteen billion is correct. You were correct. |\n| 20 | especially Chinese. All of those move are | 20 | Thank you. I'm wrong. |\n| 21 | disadvantageous to our case. He says this is the | 21 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: |\n| 22 | end date of -- of ever Guo. | 22 | Q
So have you represented yourself in |\n| | | | |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n| | Page 99 | | Page 101 |\n| 1 | THE REPORTER: Of what? I'm sorry. | 1 | public as being a billionaire? |\n| 2 | THE INTERPRETER: Referring to him. | 2 | A
Never. |\n| 3 | THE WITNESS: Evil Guo, G-U-O, my first | 3 | Q
Okay. All right. Do you own any assets |\n| 4 | name, yeah, family name. | 4 | in the United States? |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER: Oh, evil Guo. | 5 | A
In reality, under the law, no. |\n| 6 | THE WITNESS: He claimed that this -- the | 6 | Q
Do you receive any income from any |\n| 7 | evil Guo's end date is here, he said, or he tweeted | 7 | sources? |\n| 8 | it. But I'm still alive after meeting you guys | 8 | A
No. Communist party closed or seized all |\n| 9 | after so long. You don't kill me. Thank you. | 9 | my accounts and credit cards, especially after Guo |\n| 10 | BY MR. ALTMILLER: | 10 | Baosheng started his cooperation with the communist |\n| 11 | Q
Do you -- do you have a United States | 11 | |\n| | | | |\n| | | | party and all my accounts were froze and I have not |\n| 12 | passport? | 12 | a penny left. |\n| 13 | A
No. | 13 | Q
How do you pay your expenses? |\n| 14 | Q
Have you ever claimed that you had a | 14 | A
Borrowed. |\n| 15 | United States passport? | 15 | Q
So you continue to borrow money now to -- |\n| 16 | A
I never claimed that. | 16 | to pay your ongoing expenses? |\n| 17 | Q
Did you ever state that you had a | 17 | A
Yes. |\n| 18 | relationship with the first hacker in the world? | 18 | Q
Okay. Other than your interest in the |\n| 19 | A
We are saying that we are in the process | 19 | fund that owns the companies that we discussed |\n| 20 | of contacting the first hacker in the world for | 20 | earlier, do you own any assets or real estate in |\n| 21 | anti-CCP. So don't take portions of my statement | 21 | your own name? |\n| 22 | and twist it. That is too much like the communist | 22 | A
The apartment that I stayed in New York, |\n| | Misty Klapper & Associates | | Misty Klapper & Associates |\n| | 703-780-9559 | | 703-780-9559 |\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 102 781 Sherry-Netherland, was owned by the fund under my name, but it's not mine. (Court reporter clarifying.) (Thereupon, a discussion was had off the record.) BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q And so the -- so the -- the apartment in -- in Manhattan is not in your name; is that correct?** A It's under my name, but I did not own it. **Q Okay.** A Or I do not own it. MR. MORRISSY: So, let's -- what does -- let's just talk about what under my name means because we're talking about a New York apartment. You're -- you're from up there. You know how things are done with co-ops and condos and -- MR. ALTMILLER: Yeah. I -- I have no idea what it means. MR. MORRISSY: Right. Does it matter to you? MR. ALTMILLER: I mean, I don't know what 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 103 to make of it and so at some point -- I mean, I haven't checked the land records, so I don't know -- I don't know -- or the tax records, so I have no idea what it means. I don't know -- I don't know what to make of it, quite frankly. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. It's all online with ACRIS, so -- MR. ALTMILLER: I just -- I have no idea. MR. MORRISSY: It's public information. MR. ALTMILLER: I mean, I'm not trying to be tricky. I was just -- I was just curious as I say -- MR. MORRISSY: No, and I wasn't insinuating that. I just wanted to clarify what my client said, you know. MR. ALTMILLER: He said it was in his name and he didn't own it. MR. MORRISSY: It's under his name. MR. ALTMILLER: Under his name. He didn't own it. MR. MORRISSY: Because I don't understand what that means. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 104 MR. ALTMILLER: Well -- MR. MORRISSY: I mean, he's allowed to live there pursuant to the co-op's rules. These are -- I'm just -- MR. PODHASKIE: So it's all public. So it's owned by an LLC technically. The shares are owned by an LLC and he -- then the LLC is then owned by a separate holding company and he is the owner of the holding company and then he also has assets by a proprietary lease the way a co-op is set up. It's not a condominium, so you don't own the real estate. You get shares and you get a lease to the apartment. MR. LAUFER: So he's a beneficial owner? MR. PODHASKIE: Correct. MR. ALTMILLER: So -- just to clarify, so he is -- the property is owned by an LLC that's owned by a holding company that in turn is owned by Mr. Guo? MR. PODHASKIE: Correct. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Okay. Is that -- is that true?** MR. ALTMILLER: Can I just have the 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 105 witness say that that's true? THE WITNESS: Yes. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. So would it be -- so -- okay. All right. I'm not sure -- I'm not sure what to make of that because it then -- it suggests that he owns a -- he owns a company that owns a company that owns a \\$65 million apartment. MR. MORRISSY: Well, who's valuing that apartment? MR. ALTMILLER: Well, that's a good question. So let's do this -- MR. MORRISSY: It wasn't purchased for that amount. MR. ALTMILLER: Let me -- that's -- that's a good point. Let's mark this as -- is it 4? Let's mark it as 4. (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit Number 4 was marked for Identification.) BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So let me ask you this: You're aware that there was a -- a profile done of you by -- in**\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 29 of\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 106 **the New York Times Sunday Magazine?** A Yes. **Q For those of us who grew up in New York it's kind of a big deal.** THE REPORTER: I'm sorry. MR. ALTMILLER: I said, for those of us who grew up in New York, that's kind of a big deal. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Anyway, what I -- what I -- what I wanted to ask you was this is -- I'll represent to you this is the -- the article that was written and I -- all -- all I wanted to -- to ask you about just to follow up with what we were discussing is a -- a part in here on the first page and in the second paragraph, which begins with: I have the best houses, and then it -- it talks about some other property that you own. And I -- I just wanted to ask if these statements in here are true?** MR. MORRISSY: Can we have these statements translated? THE WITNESS: Incorrect. MR. MORRISSY: Incorrect. There we go. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 107 MR. ALTMILLER: All right. That's -- that's -- that's all I was asking. Okay. Let's do this. Is that five? (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit Number 5 was marked for Identification.) BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So what I've handed you marked as Exhibit 5 is a document I received yesterday afternoon or evening -- I think it was evening -- which are the most recent version of your objections and responses to Interrogatories. Have you seen these?** A I have seen it. I signed it. MR. ALTMILLER: Do we have a signed version? MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. This should be it. MR. ALTMILLER: Oh, there it is. Okay. Just not under oath. Okay. It's just signed. Okay. All right. MR. MORRISSY: He's under oath now. MR. ALTMILLER: Yes, he is. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 108 BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q So -- so let me ask you. You read this and signed this. Do you attest that these answers are true and accurate to the best of your knowledge?** A Yes. **Q Okay.** A But due to the -- the time constraint, it was not translated in its entirety. It's only verbally conveyed to me, but the truth in there should be no problem. **Q Okay. I want to talk about the answer that you provided to Interrogatory Number 4, which begins on page 6. And in that Interrogatory you provide the names of people who are known to you who are witnesses of the events and allegations in the complaint and in the counterclaim. Are these all the people that you know that fit that description?** A It's accurate. **Q Is it Wayne Cao? Is that how it's pronounced?** A Wayne Cao, yes. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 109 **Q He -- he works for you?** A Yes. **Q Hank Han works for you?** A Yes. **Q Yvette Wang works for you?** A Partner? **Q And Robert Wang?** A No. A supporter. **Q Okay. All right. I want to -- I want to ask you -- I asked you earlier about the basis for the statements that you have made about Baosheng Guo. Have you given me all the facts that you are relying upon for making those statements? I'm only asking about the statements that I've asked you about, not -- not any statements I haven't asked you about.** A Yes. **Q Okay. You have sued Baosheng Guo for one million dollars for defamation. Is there a reason for that amount?** A I told you that during the Dalian lawsuit that -- the damage he caused me and my employees.\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 110 Additionally, judge relied on the YouTube and the media information as the basis to determine that that -- the judge's decision. The damage that he caused us is far exceeding one million -- **Q Okay.** A -- including the assets located in Hong Kong that was being investigated or seized was all because of Guo Baosheng's YouTube and Twitter. Therefore, his damage to my family members, myself and all that involved far, far exceeded one million dollars. In the future we will seek to up that amount. MR. ALTMILLER: I'm going to take a break very quickly. I want to talk to my co-counsel. You guys can stay here. I'm -- I'm very close to being done, if not there. But I just want to -- I just want to confer with him outside. It's probably easier to do it that way. MR. MORRISSY: Okay. VIDEO OPERATOR: We're going off the record at 13:41. (Thereupon, a recess was 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 111 taken.) VIDEO OPERATOR: We're back on the record at 13:48. (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit Number 6 was marked for Identification.) BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q I have handed you the most recent version of the Supplemental Responses to our Request for Production of Documents, which has been marked as Exhibit 6. Have you seen this document before?** A I have seen it. **Q If you could turn to page 4.** MR. MORRISSY: Well, let's just be clear for the record. The deponent doesn't read English. MR. ALTMILLER: Ooh. Okay. Well, that's a good point, by the way. That's a very good point. I did not know that. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Well, let me ask -- let me ask this --** MR. MORRISSY: At least in a way that doesn't require a translator for this situation. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 112 MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. Well, I'm going to see if I can, notwithstanding that handicap, perhaps, get where I need to get. BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q On page 4 you have provided -- in response to a request for the documents you used in drafting your Answers to Interrogatories, you have identified some YouTube video links. And pursuant to an agreement with counsel, we agreed that we wouldn't have to produce the -- the video, but we would produce the link. And the first thing I just want to ask is, did you provide these links?** A Yes. **Q And do you know what these YouTube videos are; in other words, what do they show?** A I am aware, but I am not familiar or understood all the English part of it. **Q Okay. And -- and just in general, what do those videos show?** A Well, that -- at that time when we prepared those documents, and really I am -- I don't 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 113 remember the exact details of what those YouTube depict, but I think they're comprised of the insult that Guo Baosheng and something related to that -- he deny taking money from me, something like that. He make such a claim numerous times on YouTube. And that's the eighth reason I have to sue Guo Baosheng. And on public media number of times he denied he receive -- take money from me. So from that day I heard him say that I knew he's a liar. Many times he claim that he did not take a penny from me on YouTube. That's a lie. Therefore, he's a liar. I want to -- I want to stop him to cheat more people out of money and I want to stop him and that's the eighth reason I'm suiing him. **Q Now, it is true, is it not, that you do not have any transcripts of the YouTube postings that you claim are defamatory?** A No. **Q We requested documents related to your damage claim and you referred to the -- the YouTube**\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 114 **links that you provided. And I have to ask you this because there's an objection lodged, so I need to know if there are any other documents for sure. Are there any other documents that demonstrate your damages in this case?** A Yes. We can provide you with more documents, so we need to make sure that we protect those people who are involved as well as those people's families in mainland China. Once the court granted us of -- such a protection, then we will provide them to you, because once the -- any of those information leak to the public, those people will -- people's life will be in danger. MR. MORRISSY: Given the response, I'm not sure that the question was understood completely. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. I'll ask it again. All I can do is ask it. MR. MORRISSY: No. I hear you. I'm -- what can I say? I just -- that -- that answer didn't really -- was not really responsive to your question, although it began seemingly so. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 115 But can you point me to the -- the request number? MR. ALTMILLER: Sure. Request Number 15. MR. MORRISSY: So it's not only the YouTube links, but also the documents that were provided -- MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. MR. MORRISSY: -- that were -- that were referenced in response to the -- to the document requests. MR. ALTMILLER: Okay. So this is inaccurate when it says: See response to Request Number 1; there are other documents to which you refer? MR. MORRISSY: And -- and to the documents transmitted herewith. MR. ALTMILLER: And the documents transmitted herewith. Okay. MR. MORRISSY: Yeah. I just wanted to clarify. MR. ALTMILLER: No. That's true -- that's fair. Let me -- okay. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 116 BY MR. ALTMILLER: **Q Other than the documents that you have already produced to your attorney, are there any other documents that support your damage claims?** A Yes. **Q Okay. Other than the documents -- well, you know, let me -- I'm not going to -- that's going to be redundant. All right. Oh. Other than the documents that you have provided to your attorney, are there any other documents that demonstrate or show that Baosheng Guo is a public figure?** A No. **Q Okay. You testified that you have a -- a negative net worth. Are you in possession of documents that demonstrate what your net worth is?** A Yes. If you want it, I can show it. MR. ALTMILLER: I don't have anything further. THE WITNESS: Thank you, sir. MR. ALTMILLER: Thank you. THE WITNESS: Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I really appreciate it. 703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates Page 117 VIDEO OPERATOR: This deposition is completed and we're going off the record at 13:58. (Whereupon, signature having not been waived, at 1:58 p.m. the deposition concluded.)\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 32 of\n\n| Page 118
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21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| Misty Klapper & Associates | | |\n| | | |\n| 703-780-9559 | | |","body_zh":"证物 PAX 30\n\nWengui Guo（郭文贵）的证言笔录，Guo v. Guo（郭诉郭案），案号 18-cv-01064 (E.D. Va.)\n\nIN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA（美国弗吉尼亚东区联邦地区法院）\n- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x\nWENGUI GUO（郭文贵），：\n原告，：\n诉 ：案号 1:18-CV-01064-TSE-IDD\nBAOSHENG GUO（郭宝胜），：\n被告。：\n- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x\n\nJanuary 23, 2019\nWashington, D.C.\n\nWENGUI GUO（郭文贵）的视频证言\n\n根据通知，应被告代理律师的请求，在 Zechner, Ellman & Krause（泽克纳、埃尔曼和克劳斯律师事务所）位于 Washington, D.C. 409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300 的办公室内，于上午 10:08 开始，对 WENGUI GUO（郭文贵）进行询问。Carolyn Friend（卡罗琳·弗兰德），District of Columbia（哥伦比亚特区）公证人，在场主持。代表各方出席的人员如下：\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n第2页\n\n出庭人员：\n\nJ. DAVID MORRISSY, ESQUIRE（J. 大卫·莫里西律师）\nZeichner, Ellman & Krause, LLP（泽克纳、埃尔曼和克劳斯律师事务所）\n409 7th Street, N.W., Suite 300\nWashington, D.C. 20004\n(202) 783-0316\ndmorrissy@zeklaw.com\n原告代理律师\n\nJOHN C. ALTMILLER, ESQUIRE（约翰·C. 奥特米勒律师）\nPesner Kawamoto, PLC（佩斯纳·川本律师事务所）\n7926 Jones Branch Road, Suite 930\nMcLean, Virginia 22102\n(703) 506-9440\njaltmiller@pesnerkawamoto.com\n被告代理律师\n\nALEXANDER LAUFER, ESQUIRE（亚历山大·劳弗律师）\nEisenhower & Laufer, P.C.（艾森豪威尔和劳弗律师事务所）\n10560 Main Street, Suite 218\nFairfax, Virginia 22030\n(703) 352-9690\nalex.laufer.elpc@gmail.com\n被告代理律师\n\n其他出席人员：\nHelen Cole（海伦·科尔），口译员；\nDavid Voigtsberger（大卫·福伊茨贝格），视频操作员；\nUna Wilkinson（尤娜·威尔金森），核对口译员；\nDaniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）\n\n目录\n\n证人： 询问人： 页码：\nWengui Guo（郭文贵） Altmiller先生 4\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n第3页\n\n证物\n\n编号： 说明： 页码：\n1 网页 75\n2 照片副本 80\n3 翻译认证 83\n4 New York Times（《纽约时报》）文章 105\n5 质询书答复 107\n6 文件提交请求 111\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n第4页\n\n程序\n\n（随后，视频操作员宣读了一份声明。）\n\nALTMILLER先生：John Altmiller（约翰·奥特米勒）。我代表被告 Baosheng Guo（郭宝胜）。\n\nMORRISSY先生：我是来自 Zeichner, Ellman & Krause（泽克纳、埃尔曼和克劳斯律师事务所）的 David Morrissy（大卫·莫里西）。我们代表原告，即证人。\n\n（随后，口译员宣誓。）\n\n于是：\n\nWENGUI GUO（郭文贵），\n\n被传唤接受询问，并在依法宣誓后，接受询问并作证如下：\n\n被告代理律师询问\n\n由 ALTMILLER先生：\n\n问：请您陈述您的姓名。\n\n答：郭文贵。\n\n问：这是您目前的法定姓名吗？\n\n答：法定姓名是郭浩云。这是香港的发音，郭浩云。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n第5页\n\n问：这是您香港护照上的姓名，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您目前住在哪里？\n\n答：纽约，第五大道 781 号。\n\n问：您在那里住了多久？\n\n答：四年。\n\n问：在此之前您住在哪里？\n\n答：嗯，更正一下，三年多一点，不到四年。\n\n问：在那之前呢？\n\n答：香港、北京和伦敦。\n\n问：那么我应该——我该如何称呼您？\n\n答：就叫我郭文贵。\n\n问：郭文贵？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：我会尽量正确地发音。您以前是否曾接受过证言询问？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：多少次？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 4 of\n\n第6页\n\n1 答：三次。\n2 问：那三次是在什么时候？\n3 答：在 2018 年 9 月和 11 月。\n4 问：那是唯一的几次，即在\n5 9 月和 11 月的那几次吗？\n6 ALTMILLER先生：他说什么？抱歉。\n7 证人：大约在 11 月。\n8 我不记得确切日期。\n9 由 ALTMILLER先生：\n10 问：由于我不知道那些证言询问\n11 是如何进行的，我想说，如果您不\n12 理解我提出的问题，您可以要求\n13 我重新表述。\n14 如果您不知道某个问题的答案，\n15 您可以告诉我您不知道答案。\n16 我并不要求您猜测。\n17 答：好的。谢谢。\n18 问：如果您需要休息，也可以。\n19 我们肯定几乎一定会安排几次\n20 休息，但如果您需要休息，您可以\n21 告诉我。\n22 答：谢谢。\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n\n703-780-9559\n\n第7页\n\n1 问：我只要求我们不要在\n2 尚有问题待答时休息。\n3 答：谢谢。\n4 问：您是否曾作为当事人参与美国的其他\n5 诉讼？\n6 答：是。\n7 问：您知道您在美国作为当事人参与过\n8 多少起诉讼吗？\n9 答：大约 30 多起。有些我是\n10 原告，有些我是被告。\n11 问：好的。我将要问您的第一件事——或者说\n12 第一个主题——将是社交媒体。因此，我会尽量\n13 将本次证言询问分成不同主题，以便我不会\n14 从一件事跳到另一件事。\n15 您有 Twitter（推特）账户吗？\n16 答：以前有。\n17 问：您何时不再拥有 Twitter 账户？\n18 答：我没有关闭它。Twitter 关闭了我的\n19 账户。\n20 问：您知道 Twitter 为什么关闭您的\n21 账户吗？\n22 答：我不知道。\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第8页\n\n1 账户？\n2 答：我不知道。\n3 问：好的。那是什么时候发生的？\n4 答：它在 2017 年 10 月被停止——被停止，\n5 并持续到大约 2018 年 8 月或 9 月。\n6 2018 年。谢谢。\n7 ALTMILLER先生：抱歉。证人\n8 所说的是账户被暂停了多久，还是\n9 他拥有该账户多久？\n10 证人：我于 2017 年 2 月开设 Twitter\n11 账户。我使用了六或\n12 七个月，某项功能于\n13 2017 年 10 月被停止。到 2018 年 8 月和 9 月，\n14 整个账户被关闭。\n15 由 ALTMILLER先生：\n16 问：好的。您有任何——实际上，让\n17 我——我要撤回这个问题。当时 Twitter\n18 账户被暂停时，您有多少\n19 关注者？\n20 答：450,000。\n21 问：您有任何 YouTube（优兔）频道吗？\n22 答：是，我有。\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第9页\n\n1 问：多少个？\n2 答：一个。\n3 问：该 YouTube 频道上的名称是什么？\n4 \n5 答：我不记得注册编号，\n6 但频道的名称是郭文贵。\n7 问：郭文贵。好的。您是否有使用 Miles Kwok（郭浩云）名义的\n8 频道？\n9 答：我不太记得这个名字。\n10 YouTube 上有许多使用我姓名的账户。\n11 有些由我的支持者注册。有些\n12 由我的同事注册。有些\n13 由我的敌对者，即共产党中的人注册。\n14 因此，许多人以我的名字注册了 YouTube\n15 账户。\n16 问：好的。那么我想问的是\n17 您发布视频的 YouTube 频道。我并非——我并非在问可能\n18 出于不良目的使用您姓名的人，而是\n19 您发布视频的地方。\n20 \n21 答：是，那么我知道中文名称是郭文贵。\n22 \n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第10页\n\n1 问：好的。谢谢。该频道有多少\n2 订阅者？\n3 答：曾达到约 260,000，后来\n4 降至约 200,000。目前是 197,000。\n5 问：好的。您多久在\n6 您的 YouTube 频道发布一次视频？\n7 答：有时每周三或四次。\n8 有时每天两或三次。不一定。\n9 问：这些视频是关于什么的？\n10 答：反对——中国共产党，\n11 支持——法律自由和宗教\n12 自由。还反对共产党派往\n13 美国的间谍。\n14 问：中国共产党派间谍到美国，\n15 对吗？\n16 答：我不理解您的问题。这与今天的\n17 主题有关吗？\n18 MORRISSY先生：这也要求推测。\n19 嗯，您是在问他一个国家是否向我们国家派遣\n20 间谍？\n21 ALTMILLER先生：嗯，他——\n22 \n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第11页\n\n1 证人：您好像知道。\n2 ALTMILLER先生：嗯，他——他说他\n3 反对中国派出的间谍，\n4 所以，或许答案是不言自明的。我——我\n5 无需特别深入地追问，\n6 因此我将撤回这个问题，因为我不——我不认为这——这不会\n7 推进任何事情。\n8 由 ALTMILLER先生：\n9 问：\n10 谁是——您的视频面向谁？\n11 您在视频中向谁讲话？\n12 答：\n13 我的受众是所有支持更安全的美国以及\n14 反对共产党的、反对中共的人。\n15 问：\n16 有多少人观看这些视频？\n17 答：\n18 您是说每次还是大概数字？\n19 问：\n20 这样问如何：观看人数最多的那段视频，\n21 有多少人观看？\n22 答：我不记得。\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第12页\n\n1 答：\n2 当然。\n3 问：\n4 好的。您有自己的网站吗？\n5 答：\n6 没有。\n7 问：\n8 您曾经有自己的网站吗？\n9 答：\n10 网站、网页。我不记得我有过。\n11 问：\n12 好的。是——是——我会回到那个问题。\n13 我要转到一个新主题。您进行\n14 公开演讲吗？\n15 答：\n16 是。\n17 问：\n18 您知道您大约多常进行\n19 公开演讲吗？\n20 答：\n21 不常。\n22 问：\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第13页\n\n1 反对中国的——\n2 \n3 MORRISSY先生：支持——支持\n4 安全的美国，并反对中共。\n5 ALTMILLER先生：是。\n6 MORRISSY先生：好的。\n7 ALTMILLER先生：那是我对\n8 这些视频内容的理解。\n9 MORRISSY先生：对。不。我只是认为\n10 该问题的表述稍有不同。\n11 ALTMILLER先生：哦，好的。那么我可以——\n12 我会那样表述。这当然是我——\n13 我原本打算如何表述，即\n14 这些公开演讲是否涉及那些相同\n15 事项，即保护美国\n16 以及——以及反对中国的\n17 共产主义政府。\n18 证人：当然。\n19 由 ALTMILLER先生：\n20 问：您的活动是否曾被媒体\n21 报道？\n22 答：是。\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第14页\n\n1 问：\n2 您认为自己是公众人物吗？\n3 答：\n4 不是。\n5 问：\n6 New York Times（《纽约时报》）是否曾对您进行人物报道？\n7 答：\n8 是。\n9 问：\n10 您配合了该报道吗？\n11 答：\n12 我不理解 cooperate 的意思。我\n13 接受了他们的采访。当有人采访\n14 您时，您认为那是配合吗？\n15 问：\n16 我认为那是配合，因为您有权不接受采访。因此——所以\n17 我的问题是，您是否同意接受采访？\n18 答：\n19 是，是，现在我明白了。我\n20 明白。是，英语水平太高了。\n21 回答，是。\n22 问：\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第15页\n\n1 问：\n2 您是否有过视频被一百万人\n3 观看？\n4 答：\n5 当然。\n6 问：\n7 好的。您有自己的网站吗？\n8 答：\n9 没有。\n10 问：\n11 您曾经有自己的网站吗？\n12 答：\n13 网站、网页。我不记得我有过。\n14 问：\n15 好的。是——是——我会回到那个问题。\n16 我要转到一个新主题。您进行\n17 公开演讲吗？\n18 答：\n19 是。\n20 问：\n21 您知道您大约多常进行\n22 公开演讲吗？\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀及合伙人）\n703-780-9559\n\n第16页\n\n1 中国人民，希望中国能够成为一个——一个——一个\n2 法治国家，成为公平且有宗教\n3 自由的国家。\n4 所以——并且不向\n5 西方国家派遣间谍以腐蚀社会。因此我不\n6 理解您的问题。\n7 ALTMILLER先生：所以我的问题是，\n8 他刚刚所谈到的、他寻求实现的\n9 目标，我只是问\n10 他正在做什么以推进该目标。\n11 这就是我所问的全部。\n12 证人：我不理解。\n13 由 ALTMILLER先生：\n14 问：\n15 我读过媒体报道，说您一直与 Steve Bannon（史蒂夫·班农）合作，并且——首先，\n16 这是真的吗？\n17 答：\n18 我不想回答涉及第三方的问题。\n19 ALTMILLER先生：好的。我只是要\n20 为记录说明，我提出这个问题的原因实际上是我——我并不关心\n21 他们正在做什么的具体情况，并且我将\n22\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所） Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n第15页 第17页\n1 赞同您在视频和其他地方所表达的观点吗？ 1 我提出这个问题的理由是，\n2 答 是。 2 显然，我们的一项抗辩与该证人是否为公众人物有关。\n3 问 好的。并且可以公平地说， 3 因此，由于他说他不是公众人物，\n4 您一直积极参与政治活动，对吗？ 4 而且我认为他正在——在我看来，\n5 莫里西先生：什么——您能否更具体地说明 5 他正在为帮助中国的民主事业做大量工作，\n6 那是什么意思？ 6 我只是想确立，我认为他在这方面做了很多。\n7 奥特米勒先生：我想我们知道这在美国 7 \n8 是什么意思。我会——我会重新表述。 8 换言之，他在发布视频，他在\n9 9 与人会面。至少我了解到\n10 奥特米勒先生询问： 10 他正在设立基金，而我这样说并非\n11 问 您是否曾试图通过政治手段实现您的某些 11 对他的意图有任何怀疑。我只是想\n12 目标，即通过与美国政治人士合作？ 12 确立这就是他正在做的事情，所以这就是\n13 13 我询问他在做什么的原因。\n14 答 没有。 14 \n15 问 除演讲活动以及—— 15 如果他说我所指的其他事情是什么时\n16 以及——以及视频外，您还从事过哪些其他活动， 16 他不明白，即为了\n17 以支持反对中国共产党政府的事业？ 17 追求这个显然对他极其重要的目标，\n18 18 这个目标他日夜思考，而且我\n19 答 我不明白您的问题。我可以 19 毫不怀疑他确实如此，那么我就必须开始\n20 告诉您，我睡觉时也会思考该事项。 20 提出具体问题。为明确起见，我本来希望\n21 无论我做什么，我都会思考该事项。 21 不必如此。\n22 我的目标是拯救14——14亿 22 因此，如果有任何方式可以向该\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）\n703-780-9559\n第18页 第20页\n1 证人传达这一点，以便我能够获得一份非常 1 为中国民主事业所做的只是发布视频\n2 简要的概述，说明他在做什么，那将很快解决 2 和偶尔发表演讲，我完全可以接受。\n3 我的问题。 3 我只是想知道这就是答案。\n4 莫里西先生：所以看来您已经 4 证人：除这两件事外，我们还做了很多工作，\n5 获得了他正在做什么的简要概述。您是否 5 以反对中国共产党。许多人的安全牵涉其中。\n6 在问，除了您已经谈到的事情外，他是否还在 6 大量信息正在收集中。\n7 做其他事情来推进他的事业？ 7 我们还与某些人签署了协议，\n8 奥特米勒先生：对。换言之—— 8 不得披露该等信息。因此，我认为\n9 而且，再说一次——我再说一次，我——我知道 9 今天不适合询问该事项。\n10 他在发布视频，我知道他有一些演讲， 10 我给您举个例子。我们过去曾——\n11 而且，如我所说，我完全——我并不 11 考虑设立一个法律基金，以协助\n12 对他的——我个人并未表示 12 受到中国共产党伤害的人，但因为我是\n13 对他的诚意有任何怀疑。我只是 13 捐助人，因为我所扮演的角色，我\n14 假定——也许我并非假定。我是在问 14 无权公开演讲。您想要的信息\n15 是否有发布视频以外的其他事情。 15 正是中国共产党想要的信息。\n16 那些希望获得政治解决方案的人，有时会参与政治活动。 16 奥特米勒先生：好的。好的。我只是\n17 17 要记录在案，顺便说一句，我不想\n18 那些希望为事情筹集资金的人，有时会进行筹资，参与组织工作。 18 帮助中国共产党。\n19 当人们想要 19 证人：但是您看，您提出的问题\n20 实现一个政治目标时，他们会做各种各样的事情， 20 中国共产党所感兴趣的问题\n21 特别是像实现中国民主这样——这样 21 \n22 崇高的目标。 22 是非常\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所） Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n第19页 第21页\n\n2 鉴于——此人的信念\n及其能力，我——我只是——我当时只是在问 1\n2 相似——即您站在中国共产党一边。\n莫里西先生：非常不同。\n3 他在做什么，而我提出这一点与 3 奥特米勒先生：嗯，我——我将在本次\n4 他是否为公众人物有关。 4 证言记录的其余部分作出区分，即我完全无意\n5 莫里西先生：不。明白。因此 5 追求中国共产党的目标，\n6 我们已经——您已经得到了关于政治 6 无论如何都没有。所以——以防\n7 参与的答案，对吗，所以—— 7 有人对此感到好奇。我作为\n8 奥特米勒先生：嗯，他说——是的。 8 一名法庭官员声明，我从未就本案\n9 他说他没有参与任何政治活动， 9 与中国共产党或任何来自中国的人有过联系，\n10 但我需要知道他在做什么。 10 除我的当事人以及您先前见到的那位先生外。\n11 莫里西先生：所以那——所以那就是他的 11 莫里西先生：Steven Taljeng（史蒂文·塔尔詹）？\n12 回答。 12 奥特米勒先生：是的。\n13 奥特米勒先生：对。 13 证人：我非常感谢\n14 莫里西先生：所以那就是他 14 您刚才所说的话。我希望情况确实如此。\n15 就政治问题作出的回答，所以—— 15 但是，您的问题正在帮助中国共产党。\n16 奥特米勒先生：嗯，让我们进一步了解 16 奥特米勒先生询问：\n17 是否还有其他事情。我只是想 17 \n18 知道是否—— 18 问 如果我曾提出任何问题，而其答案将会\n19 莫里西先生：当然。 19 帮助中国政府，请告知\n20 奥特米勒先生：——是否还有其他事情 20 我，以便我们所有人都能避开那些\n21 是他在做的。如果他唯一 21 问题，因为我认为在这个\n22 在做的事情——如果他为帮助 22 房间里的任何人——而且我希望我不会因这样说而惹恼中国政府。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所） 第22页 我对该问题完全不感兴趣，除非其如何影响本案中某些较小且独立的问题。好的。我将转到另一个话题。您是如何认识郭保胜的？\n\n答 2017年之前我不认识此人。在我于2017年开始披露——披露——或揭露中国共产党的丑闻后，他发布了视频支持我的立场。在我于2017年10月3日在Washington, DC（华盛顿哥伦比亚特区）举行——举行——新闻发布会、在华盛顿哥伦比亚特区于2017年10月3日召开新闻发布会时，他出现了，我们握了手。几个月前，即2018年的某个时候，我在DC hotel（哥伦比亚特区酒店），我们见了几分钟，握了手。就这些。\n\n核对口译员：证人还说，我实际上并不真正认识此人。\n\n口译员：我确实不认识此人。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所） 第23页\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问 那么，是郭保胜？\n\n答 是的，郭保胜，是。\n\n问 好的。2018年的——新闻发布会，那是关于什么的？\n\n答 该新闻发布会的目的是揭露中国共产党的两项非常重要的计划。一项叫作——一项叫作BGY。另一项叫作3F。那些是共产党计划派遣间谍到美国以摧毁美国政府的计划。\n\n问 您还举行过其他新闻发布会吗？\n\n答 在哪个时间范围内，以及什么类型的新闻发布会？我还于2018年11月20日举行过一次新闻发布会，是为了揭露关于Hainan（海南）、HNA Group（海航集团）的一些真相。\n\n核对口译员：Wang Jian（王健）。\n\n证人：王健死亡的真相。\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问 您在中国知名吗？\n\n答 您如何定义知名？过去还是现在？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所） 第24页\n\n问 现在呢？\n\n答 我在海外。我所听说的是，我在那边很知名。\n\n问 您住在中国时，您知名吗？\n\n答 不，我不知名。\n\n问 好的。您在美国华人社群中知名吗？\n\n答 我不知道您对知名的定义。\n\n问 好的。好的。那么您并不认识——您并不真正认识郭保胜；对吗？\n\n答 对。\n\n问 您是否曾向郭保胜支付任何钱款？\n\n答 我没有付钱给他。他诈骗了我。\n\n问 让我再问一次。您是否曾向郭保胜转移任何资金？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 您为什么向郭保胜转移资金？\n\n答 这就是我们今天坐在这里的原因。他诈骗了我。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所） 第25页\n\n问 您向郭保胜转账过多少次？\n\n答 超过两次。我不记得确切次数。\n\n问 您是否拥有与向郭保胜转移任何钱款有关的文件？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 您是否已将那些文件提交给——给您的律师或——给我？\n\n莫里西先生：证人不知道我已向您提交了什么。\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问 好的。那么，您是否已将其提交给——给您的律师？\n\n答 我应该已经提交了。\n\n奥特米勒先生：好的。我不知道我是否拥有任何与资金转移有关的文件。如果我对此有误，那么您可以纠正我。\n\n莫里西先生：是的，您——您有误。\n\n奥特米勒先生：好的。好的。那么我将——我将不再讨论此事。\n\n第26页 第28页\n1 奥特米勒先生询问： 1 现在正在批评您。这就是问题。\n2 问 除已提供给您律师的、有关向郭保胜转账的文件外， 2 您是否——嗯，让——我会——\n3 您是否拥有任何其他与向郭保胜转移资金有关的文件？ 3 我会这样表述：您是否知道为什么——\n4 4 我只是不想在我们一致同意的情况下遭到缺乏基础的异议，因为那在起诉状中。您是否知道\n5 5 为什么郭保胜开始发布批评您的言论，\n6 答 其他文件？ 6 而他此前一直发布\n7 奥特米勒先生：我只是在问，除他已提供给 7 赞扬您的言论？\n8 其律师的文件外，是否还有任何文件。就这些。 8 \n9 9 答 那是我起诉郭保胜的原因之一，或者说第一个原因。\n10 证人：录音 10 我起诉郭保胜的第一个原因是，我不否认\n11 谈话、证人，这些算作其他的吗？ 11 他在视频中所述的事实，即警察\n12 12 和——安保人员前往他的家乡，\n13 奥特米勒先生询问： 13 找到了他的母亲，当时他们向他的\n14 问 我仅指与资金转移有关的文件， 14 母亲提出$30 million至$80 million RMB，让郭保胜\n15 并非——并非其他证据。 15 背叛我，目的是——或者就我正在做的事情，\n16 16 即——以及反对共产党的事情。\n17 答 是的，我已将一些文件交给 17 \n18 我的律师。 18 \n19 问 向郭保胜转移资金的目的是什么？ 19 核对口译员：另外——证人\n20 20 还说，除$30 million外——\n21 答 电汇那些钱的目的是 21 核对口译员认为证人还陈述了\n22 因为他说他将要——要——要举行一场 22 除$30 million外，还有$80 million RMB，他\n\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n第27页 第29页\n1 面向世界各地支持民主并反对CCP（中国共产党）人士的 1 还说其母亲也获提供\n2 会议。他还说他需要与视频有关的设备、 2 一处豪宅。而且在其陈述末尾，\n3 手机、会议用的吊灯， 3 他还提到他是在——在协助\n4 以及与该活动有关的一些设备。这就是 4 中国建立法治和宗教自由。\n5 我遭受欺诈的原因。 5 证人：法治。因此，根据\n6 6 他在视频中披露的信息，我\n7 问 你是否知道郭宝胜（Baosheng Guo）发布过视频 7 不认为那是——那是针对我的。我认为那\n8 其中他——其中他说——其中他 8 是在侮辱我。想想看；在过去一年中，\n9 赞扬了你？ 9 他所说的无非都是支持我，但突然之间\n10 答 很多。 10 来了个180度转变。\n11 问 你何时得知那些 11 他曾是一名牧师，也是一名作者，能够\n12 赞扬你的视频？ 12 如此迅速地以——以那种方式转变，你认为\n13 答 从他开始发布这些视频之初， 13 这正常吗？\n14 我就被告知了。 14 ALTMILLER先生（奥尔特米勒）询问：\n15 问 你知道大约是在什么时候 15 问 那么——是否可以公平地说，\n16 他开始发布那些赞扬你的视频 16 你的立场是，郭宝胜现在批评你的原因\n17 的吗？ 17 是因为中国政府付钱让他\n18 答 我不记得确切时间。 18 批评你？\n19 问 好的。你是否知道是否有一段时间 19 \n20 当时——嗯，让我换一种说法。你已经 20 答 根据我对他的怀疑及其\n21 声称——而且我认为这并无太大争议 21 异常活动，即他——他——表明他\n22 郭宝胜曾发布过 22 侮辱并欺诈了那些——反对\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所） Misty Klapper & Associates\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第30页 CCP。他的态度或者他的——看起来与CCP非常接近。他从那些——反对CCP的人那里骗取了很多钱。这就是我在此提起诉讼的原因。我希望美国法院能够进行调查，并给我们一个公正的结果。\n\n问 你认为郭宝胜是在何时反过来反对你并开始发表批评性言论的？\n\n答 我不记得确切的时间范围。我只记得，当他说警察和公安人员访问了他的家乡，向其家人提供了一——一处豪华住宅和钱时。紧接着，他就反过来反对我了。你可以通过媒体记录找到那些信息。\n\n问 嗯，我——我是在问——我是在问你。看起来你声称，在2018年6月和7月，郭宝胜开始发推文发表批评你的言论，而你正是据此起诉他的。我只是想弄清楚，他是否在那之前做过任何事情。\n\n答 日期和时间在我们的起诉状中已提及，所以我认为应以此为准。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第31页\n\n问 那——那没问题。你是否曾有过任何协议——让我——我会说得更具体些。你是否曾与被告郭宝胜订立过任何书面协议？\n\nMORRISSY先生（莫里西）：你的意思是，为明确起见，正式合同，还是——还是你的意思是——\n\nALTMILLER先生：是。\n\nMORRISSY先生：——书面——双方之间的通信，还是你是什么意思？\n\nALTMILLER先生：我是指任何以书面形式记载的协议，无论是书面合同，还是来回往来的电子邮件；我会做这个，如果你做那个。然后一封电子邮件回复说，我接受那些条件，或者，你知道，诸如此类。\n\n证人：有书面文件，是的。我们有一些书面文件。电子邮件，是的。我的合作伙伴给他发过一些电子邮件——多封电子邮件，但我个人从未给他发过任何电子邮件。他确实给我发过电子邮件，所有那些信息，其中一些已经提供给我的律师。一些正在整理中。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第32页\n\nALTMILLER先生询问：\n\n问 好的。那么，有些郭宝胜发来的电子邮件尚未向你的律师提交；这是否正确？\n\n答 不，不。所有电子邮件我都已提供给我的律师。我所指的是目前正在翻译的录音。我尚未提供。然而，所有原始文件均已提供。\n\n问 好的。那么，有一些我尚未收到的录音；这是否正确？\n\nMORRISSY先生：不，那不正确。\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。\n\nMORRISSY先生：你已经有了。\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。好的。那么证人只是说错了？\n\nMORRISSY先生：不。他——证人所说的是，他正在翻译它们。\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。\n\nMORRISSY先生：至少这是口译员说证人所说的话。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第33页\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。\n\n核查口译员：没错，是的。\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。好吧。那么，在已提供的材料中，他正在翻译已提供的内容？好的。没问题。我只是——我只是想确保我知道我有什么，以及我没有什么。\n\nALTMILLER先生询问：\n\n问 你此前表示，郭宝胜在——嗯，首先，他是否在与你见面之前发布过许多赞扬你的视频？\n\n答 很多。\n\n问 郭宝胜在与你见面之前，是如何知道你是谁的？\n\nMORRISSY先生：这要求猜测。\n\n证人：去问郭宝胜先生。\n\nALTMILLER先生询问：\n\n问 好的。你是否曾支付过郭宝胜的任何差旅费用？\n\n答 是的。我没有支付给他。他欺诈了\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第34页 我。他——他向我申请差旅费。他还欺诈了那些支持我的人为差旅——差旅费用付款，包括那些确实非常贫困的人。例如，洛杉矶每月收入不足$2,000的人，他就航空机票等差旅费用向他们实施欺诈，而且不止一次。他向我申请的差旅费并未用于差旅，这就是我今天起诉他的第二个原因。他申请差旅费，以用于飞机、预订酒店，并且还欺诈了支持我的人，包括非常贫困的人，这——这就是我起诉他的第二个原因。在他的差旅期间，无论他吃什么，餐费、葡萄酒、他喝的烈酒，都是——都是——都是由我们和支持我的贫困人士支付的钱。那些——那些反对CCP的人，是以生命反对CCP的。而他欺诈了他们的生计，使他们几乎没有钱买食物。这就是我必须起诉他的第二个\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第35页 原因。因此，他说其旅行的原因是支持我——反对CCP的使命。他前往——前往加利福尼亚州、拉斯维加斯。他——他申请的差旅费用是他实际花费的数倍。因此，他去了加利福尼亚州。他以帮助人们寻求政治庇护的名义，从他们那里拿钱，而且——尽管他说其目标是支持我们反对CCP的使命，但他所做的恰恰相反。这就是我起诉他的第三个原因。因此，我向你，律师，提出建议，在法庭程序中，你可以找那些人到法庭作证人，但请务必记住保护他们的隐私并保护他们，不要——不要披露——保护他们的隐私并保护他们的安全。因此——因此，郭先生——郭先生使用Twitter（推特），曝光了那些寻求庇护的人，曝光了他们的姓名和信息，\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第36页 威胁那些人——威胁那些人要将其遣返。因此，我认为他所做的是可耻且可怕的，这就是我以第四个理由起诉他的原因。我寻求——我——我起诉他的第三个理由，是为了为那些寻求政治庇护的人寻求公平待遇。\n\n核查口译员：证人还提到——以遣返威胁那些人。\n\n口译员：没错，以——以遣返威胁那些人。\n\nALTMILLER先生询问：\n\n问 好的。郭宝胜向你表示，他将成立一个团体，其目标是协助CCP的受害者，对吗？\n\n答 成立一个组织来帮助那些受害者。\n\n问 CCP的受害者？\n\n答 CCP的受害者，不，不。\n\n问 好的。被告是否向你表示——郭宝胜是否向你表示，他\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第37页 需要财政支持来购买视频设备，以举办会议，并采取第一步成立一个其目标是协助CCP受害者的团体？\n\n答 你所描述的活动确实存在，但他把这作为借口，说他想成立一个Twitter聚会，然后举办一场全面的CCP会议，并以此为借口，向我索要40,000至60,000美元。这是我起诉他的原因之一。\n\n问 好。那么，我的问题的——对我问题的回答，即郭宝胜是否向你表示，他需要财政支持来购买视频设备，以举办会议，并采取第一步成立一个其目标是协助十亿名CCP受害者的团体，对该问题的回答，那么，是的，他确实向你作出了该表示？\n\n答 他为——为视频设备要钱，是的，但不是为了会议，而是为了从酒店进行现场直播。更正，为支付酒店费用，为直接\n\n第38页 第40页\n1 直播并支付酒店费用。 1 ALTMILLER先生：我同意你的看法；他\n2 问 他是如何向你作出该表示的？是口头作出还是通过电子邮件？ 2 并没有说“是”。事实上，他澄清了他\n3 3 没有说“是”。他说的是，他——即\n4 答 律师先生，我想澄清一件事，也许纠正你问题 4 那个——那个——郭宝胜曾向\n5 中的内容，即从——从第一天起，当我在 5 他表示，他需要钱购买视频设备，\n6 互联网上发布视频——视频时，我已经 6 用于某种并不完全是我所说的目的。\n7 非常明确地表示，我不从任何人那里收钱。 7 MORRISSY先生：我相信——是的，那是关于现场直播——\n8 我不收取——我不想收取任何捐款，因为我厌倦了—— 8 \n9 在过去29年中，那些海外华人 9 ALTMILLER先生：现场直播，是的。\n10 以——以——以捐款为借口，说 10 MORRISSY先生：——从酒店进行的直播，或者\n11 他们想帮助——帮助那些 11 类似之类的，是的。好的。\n12 CCP受害者。 12 ALTMILLER先生：而且——而且让我——\n13 13 我会——\n14 我想非常明确地说明。没有人 14 MORRISSY先生：我只是想明确——\n15 可以代表我。我在公开——公开论坛或场合中多次 15 明确正在发生什么。\n16 表示。没有人可以—— 16 ALTMILLER先生：我会澄清。让我——\n17 可以代表我。 17 让我澄清一下。那么我会——我会再次\n18 18 提问。\n19 我——我起诉他的第四个——第四个原因 19 MORRISSY先生：谢谢。\n20 是因为郭宝胜先生前往许多地方，包括加拿大、 20 ALTMILLER先生：那样可以。\n21 日本、台湾、加利福尼亚州、洛杉矶、拉斯维加斯 21 ALTMILLER先生询问：\n22 22 问 Baosho Gua——的表示\nMisty Klapper & Associates Misty Klapper & Associates\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n第 39 页 第 41 页\n\n1 称他——以及日本和他——称 1 抱歉——郭宝胜（Baosheng Guo）就如下事项向您作出的陈述：\n2 他利用代表我的身份代表我，以 2 需要钱购买录像设备，用于\n3 欺诈如此多的人并伤害如此多的人。 3 您所作证的目的；该陈述是口头作出的，还是\n4 我已经在公开场合说过很多、 4 以书面形式作出的？\n5 很多次；我不允许任何人代表我。 5 答 口头。\n6 我不允许任何人代表我。我当面告诉过他， 6 问 该陈述是在何时作出的？\n7 我不允许你代表我， 7 答 2017 年 6 月、7 月，或者可能是 7 月、8 月。\n8 因为他利用我的名字作为工具来欺诈 8 我不记得确切的时间范围。\n9 他人，这就是我起诉他的第四个理由。 9 问 是通过电话还是当面作出的？\n10 问 郭宝胜向您作出的陈述， 10 答 我已经告诉过您，我们见过——我们从未\n11 即他需要资金购买录像 11 面对面见过，所以，当然，是通过电话。\n12 设备，该陈述是口头作出的还是通过电子邮件作出的？ 12 问 是他给您打电话，还是您给他打电话？\n13 莫里西先生（MR. MORRISSY）：那么，在他回答之前， 13 答 是他给我打电话。我从不或很少给\n14 ——在此之前——让我们澄清一下。您之前所说的 14 他打电话。是他给我打电话并问怎么样。是的，所以很少，打电话——\n15 是复合问题，对吗，所以您——您问了他 15\n16 一个与录像设备及 16 问 他是拨打您的手机吗？\n17 会议有关的问题，以推进，您知道，推进 17 答 是。\n18 某些目标。 18 问 那他如何取得您的手机\n19 奥特米勒先生（MR. ALTMILLER）：对，对。 19 号码？\n20 莫里西先生：于是——然后他说了 20 答 我们有 WhatsApp。\n21 他所说的话，而您将其理解为“是”，但他 21 问 那么，该——该——该\n22 实际上并未说“是”。 22 陈述是通过 WhatsApp 作出的，还是在——在一次电话中作出的？\n\n米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates）\n703-780-9559 米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates）\n703-780-9559\n\n703-780-9559 米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates） 第 42 页 为了——在——在一次电话中作出的？答 您可以使用 WhatsApp 打电话。问 哦，好的。我不知道这一点。我不太擅长发短信。好的。郭宝胜是否向您称，他需要 $20,000 为一个目标是协助中国共产党受害者的团体购买广播设备？答 他为直播设备要钱。他没有说其目的是帮助中国共产党的受害者。核对口译员：证人说——他陈述的目的是反中国共产党，但他没有说这是为了帮助受中国共产党迫害的受害者。奥特米勒先生：也就是说，当您说“他”时，您是指，郭宝胜并未称这是为了帮助中国共产党的受害者；而是为了这个 NTCCP，即——莫里西先生：反。奥特米勒先生：反。哦，反——\n\n703-780-9559 米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates） 第 43 页 反中国共产党。我——我现在明白了。抱歉。证人：正确。由奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问 好的。该陈述是如何作出的？是口头作出的还是书面作出的？\n\n答 口头。\n\n问 您是否——您给了他那 $20,000 吗？\n\n答 就那一次而言，我可能给了他 10,000——您知道，来回给了几次。\n\n问 几分钟前我们讨论录像设备时，您是否为录像设备给过他钱？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 您给了他多少？\n\n答 我不记得确切金额。可能超过 10,000。\n\n问 您认为，您就录像设备和您刚才作证所述的广播而给他的款项，他没有将其用于他所称将要使用的目的？\n\n703-780-9559 米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates） 第 44 页\n\n答 这就是我起诉他的第五个理由。他向我要钱建立社交媒体以反对中国共产党，但作为一种幌子，他去了加拿大，使用同样——同样的借口，即他需要设备进行直播以反对中国共产党，向西方世界揭露中国共产党的真实意图。他在加拿大以同样的名义使用了这笔钱。他以同样理由，从一个人那里诈骗了超过 170,000。因此，该名个人，郭先生，住在他们家里，喝他们非常昂贵的酒，以至于有人——您知道，一个人吐血。他以支持我、郭文贵（Guo Wengui），揭露——揭露——中国共产党，并支持中国的自由和民主为借口。那些人相信他——以他们的生命相信他。因此，他利用我的名字，称他代表我去做所有那些事。当该名个人得知他——反对我时，他威胁这个家庭，称他们处于——处于黑社会。他甚至要求加拿大皇家警察逮捕该家庭成员。因此，他使用同样的方法，通过威胁他人、歪曲他人、欺骗他人来——来实现其目的。他以支持我的名义，并且他——他——因此，对于该名个人而言，他无法返回中国大陆，其全部财富和产业都因其所作所为而处于危险之中。这就是我起诉他的第五个理由。目的是保护像该名个人一样的人。因此，我建议我的律师寻求让此人成为法庭证人。因此，我建议您，您知道，让此人作为证人出庭。\n\n问 您认为郭宝胜拿您给他的钱怎么做了？\n\n答 我听说她——他买了一栋房子。\n\n问 您从谁那里听说的？\n\n答 从网站上。\n\n问 谁的网站？\n\n答 从互联网，从互联网。\n\n第 46 页 第 48 页\n\n问 您知道是哪一个——哪一个页面，或者——或者 奥特米勒先生：对。\n\n哪一位作者吗？ 证人：——从社交——从\n2 2\n\n答 很多。它们在我们提供的文件中 3 社交媒体。从社交媒体。\n这是我起诉他的第六个理由。通过美国法律， 由奥特米勒先生询问：\n4 4\n5 问 那么谁——好的。因此，从社交媒体，\n\n6 通过美国法院，我希望法官能够调查郭宝胜究竟歪曲了多少 谁在社交媒体上说他使用这笔钱\n7 7 购买了一栋房子？\n钱。 答 我们——我们反对中国共产党的同事。\n\n有人愿意作为证人 9\n9 核对口译员：也许是同志。\n出庭，因为他诈骗了 10\n10 证人：我的同志。我的反对中国共产党的同志。\n$2.08 million。这名证人愿意出庭。 我看到过照片。\n11 11\n有一个经营——一家烤鸭 12\n12 郭文贵在照片中，与那位先生在一起，\n店的人，此人愿意——成为 13 他的律师——\n14 核对口译员：郭宝胜。\n证人——而且他是推荐\n此地律师代理他的人。该人还说 15\n15 口译员：郭宝胜。\n他将获得 $3 million，并五五分成，各得 $1.5 million。 16\n16 莫里西先生：被告。\n证人：我看到过一张照片。郭\n17 17\n因此，当他们赢得本案时，他们将 18\n18 宝胜与这里的这位先生在照片中，\n从我这里获得 $3 million，届时他们将 19\n19 而且郭宝胜称他聘请了一名律师，\n将该 3 million 五五分成。因此，我起诉他的第五个理由 此后，我们的案件从一个\n20 20\n是，我希望法院仅仅传唤 21\n21 法院移送到另一法院，而我听说新法院的法官\n那些谈论经营该 22\n22 是一个轻视或\n\n米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates） 米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n第 47 页 第 49 页\n\n这家北京烤鸭店店主的证人，并让我的律师 1 歧视中国人的人。\n解释这笔钱究竟从哪里来、流向何处， 因此——而且他还说，他们聘请的这位新\n2 2\n郭宝胜花了多少钱 3 律师长得像某位总统，所以\n3\n买他的房子，以及这 $2.08 million 去了哪里， 4 我问您，您是\n并且——为了为那些 卡特总统（President Carter）的后代吗？\n5 5\n6 6 莫里西先生：首先，我们能否请您\n支持受中国共产党迫害的受害者的人寻求公正。 说明您的身份，以便我们知道\n问 您刚才作证称，您提供了 7 我们在谈论谁？\n您在得出郭宝胜使用您给的钱买房这一结论时所依赖的报告。 劳弗先生（MR. LAUFER）：我们谈论的是我的\n8 8\n9 9 合伙人詹姆斯·艾森豪威尔（James Eisenhower），他与——\n莫里西先生：他没有说任何 与前总统德怀特·艾森豪威尔（Dwight Eisenhower）有亲属关系。\n10 10\n关于报告的内容。 莫里西先生：我们能否——抱歉。只是\n11 11\n12 12 为了确认发言者的身份——\n奥特米勒先生：他说他提供了——他说他是在互联网看到的，而且他说他 劳弗先生：好的。我叫亚历山大·劳弗（Alexander\n13 13\n向——向——我们提供了该信息。我们可以宣读 Laufer），我与任何前总统\n14 14\n该回答。我只是—— 或任何种类的政治人物均无亲属关系。\n15 15\n莫里西先生：是的，他说他是在——在互联网 莫里西先生：而且——而且您也是\n16 16\n看到的。 被告的律师——\n17 17\n18 18 劳弗先生：正确。\n奥特米勒先生：是的。然后他说 莫里西先生：——只是为了——\n他向我们或向您提供了该信息。我不该说向我们。 19 19\n20 20 劳弗先生：是。\n莫里西先生：好的。 莫里西先生：就这些。\n21 21\n证人：我说的是从互联网—— 22 22\n\n米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates） 米斯蒂·克拉珀及其合伙人（Misty Klapper & Associates）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n第 50 页 第 52 页\n\n1 奥特米勒先生：因此我们——我们应当将此 1 我的意思是——\n2 记入记录。 2 奥特米勒先生：好的。好的。\n3 证人：因此，在——在郭 3 莫里西先生：是的，我的意思是，我认为\n4 宝胜发布推文称该信息之后——因此，在郭 4 证词是，该信息在互联网上，并由非当事人发布，\n5 宝胜发布特定信息之后，确实 5 而他看到了。\n6 我们的案件从一个州法院移送至 6 奥特米勒先生：好的。\n7 另一个州法院，而且——而且在您所说之后，这—— 7 莫里西先生：我认为那是\n8 这证明郭宝胜确实聘请了一名 8 他证词的实质内容。\n9 某位总统的后代代理他。 9 由奥特米勒先生询问：\n10 现在，那——他说这是对我们的威胁， 10 问 那是否构成您的——或者那是否是您相信他用您的\n11 因为他还称——称新法官歧视中国人。因此 11 钱购买房屋的依据？\n12 基于他所说的，这表明郭 12 答 那——那不是全部。他不仅\n13 宝胜不尊重美国法律，因此， 13 用那笔钱购买了一栋房子，而且他是一个\n14 我们需要——揭露真相。我们 14 没有任何道德的人。他利用捍卫民主这一口号\n15 需要寻求公正，并给那些支持我们反对中国共产党的同志一个公平结果。 15 欺诈他人。他诈骗了\n16 16 大多数——反对\n17 我强烈敦促我的律师和其他 17 共产党的那些人。\n18 律师——好好查看郭宝胜发布的推文， 18\n19 因为那种语言给我们所有人造成巨大压力， 19 其次，他写了一本书。而且——\n20 并给支持我们反对中国共产党的那些人造成压力。 20 那本书的名称叫作《职业人士》（The Professional）。因此，\n21 21 他使用笔名曼达（Manda，M-A-N-D-A），称\n22 22 该书《职业人士》已经售出——800\n\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n第51页 第53页\n\n1 反对——那些反对共产党的人的人。 1 百万册，而他——它——它曾位列美国最畅销前10名或阅读量前10名榜单。\n2 你想想看；为什么他强调他新聘请的 2 \n3 律师是一名白人。白人律师与有色人种 3 很多学生受骗并购买了\n4 律师有什么区别？甚至在案件被移送至另一法院之前，他就发了这样的推文。 4 他的书。\n5 5 他自称是一名教师和\n6 6 学者，因此德国和中国的很多学生\n7 阿尔特米勒先生发问： 7 落入了他的陷阱。\n8 问 好的。我——我在提问时可能不够 8 此外，除购买\n9 清楚。我问的不是那个。 9 房屋外，他自称——他声称自己是一名——\n10 所以，我所问的是，你曾说过 10 他是一名牧师。他前往各地讲解\n11 你听说他用从你那里获得的钱 11 《圣经》，代表上帝；然而，他却借用我的名字前往\n12 买了一栋房屋。我问的是，你是从谁那里 12 日本东京。他去了一家脱衣舞俱乐部。\n13 听说的。我想知道在社交媒体上发布这一消息的人的 13 \n14 姓名，他们告诉了你这件事。 14 所以我要告诉你的是，他借用该书的名称来——来欺骗学生。他\n15 答 社交媒体上流传着很多这类信息。 15 利用“反对——反对中共”的名义来\n16 如果该信息未包含在我提交的 16 欺骗那些民主清白人士，\n17 材料中，我可以回去查找，如果——如果我没有提交的话。 17 这就是我起诉他的第七个理由。\n18 18 \n\n20 问 好的。我不记得见过那个，但我将—— 19 校核口译员：此外，证人还说，他利用牧师的名义，然后\n21 莫里西先生：嗯，那完全不是你在请求中 20 \n21 欺骗上帝。\n22 所要求的内容，甚至不接近。 22 口译员：他以牧师的名义，\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-30 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第16页，共\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第54页\n牧师，欺骗上帝。\n莫里西先生：能——能休息五分钟吗？\n阿尔特米勒先生：当然。\n莫里西先生：暂时停止记录。\n阿尔特米勒先生：好的。好的。\n视频操作员：我们于11:48停止记录，11:48。\n（随后，休庭。）\n视频操作员：我们于11:59恢复记录。\n阿尔特米勒先生发问：\n\n问 除你在社交媒体上看到的信息外，你是否还有其他理由相信郭宝胜（Baosheng Guo）用他从你那里获得的钱买了一栋房屋？\n\n答 是。有，有其他理由。你知道，他以牧师的名义——去了日本并去了一家脱衣舞俱乐部。他去了台湾，拜访了很多官员。他去了日本，并会见了李小牧（Li Xioa Mu）先生。而他所做的所有那些事情，都与——揭露——共产党或支持我们的革命毫无关系，和那些毫无关系。因此，他去了不同地方，收取了——一大笔钱，而他原本非常贫穷，所以凭借他收取的所有那些钱，他能够买一栋房屋。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第55页\n\n问 你相信这一点的理由，是否仅仅来自你在社交媒体上所读到的内容？你是否还有其他理由相信他用其获得的这些款项买了一栋房屋？\n\n答 因为我们——在——电话交谈期间，他多次重申自己非常贫穷，而且他到处——向我们的同志募款，包括我提到过的加拿大那个人，王罗伯特（Robert Wang）。\n\n校核口译员：校核口译员认为，证人实际所说的是，在电话交谈中，郭宝胜声称他非常贫穷，因此他不会有钱购买那栋房屋。而且他到处\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第56页\n\n募款，包括到加拿大以及向王罗伯特募款。因此，我相信他所募得的钱被他用于购买那栋房屋。\n\n证人：就是这样。\n\n阿尔特米勒先生发问：\n\n问 那么，他在哪里购买了那栋房屋？\n\n答 我认为是在弗吉尼亚州的某处。\n\n问 好的。现在，你说过，还有其他证人，你希望他们就郭宝胜所实施的欺诈作证。这些证人的姓名是什么？\n\n答 所有那些人都在中共的监视名单上，因此一旦披露这些信息，他们的生命将处于危险之中。所以我希望——我将——我目前不能告诉你。然而，如果我们通过法院程序确保他们的安全并保护其身份，那么我们可以——我们可以谈论这些证人。否则，我不希望这些信息被你们律师或郭宝胜先生用来交给中共。就像他与你们喝过一轮酒之后，他就发布了你们所有人的照片，声称他的律师是某位总统的后裔。因此，我不希望发生同样的事，即他意外披露那些信息。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第57页\n\n问 好的。那——那——嗯，我问你这个：郭宝胜是否向你表示，为协助中共受害者这一目标的该组织支付差旅费用，他需要$2,000？\n\n莫里西先生：抱歉。为明确起见。我不确定这是否只是措辞不同，但该组织是协助受害者，还是反中共？\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：所以——我可以——我只是依据起诉状中的指控。\n\n莫里西先生：好的。\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：起诉状中的指控称，有一个组织，其目标是协助中共受害者。该组织以大写形式称为“中国支持团体”，即中国支持团体。起诉状中的指控是\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第58页\n\n我正在直接宣读的，即郭宝胜向原告表示，被告需要$2,000作为与中国支持团体有关的差旅费用。由于这是一个定义术语，我实际上在——每次提出该问题时都对其加以定义，以便问题清楚明确。\n\n莫里西先生：好的。很好。谢谢。\n\n证人：是。\n\n阿尔特米勒先生发问：\n\n问 你是否相信郭宝胜从中国政府收到了很多钱，以便就你发表批评性言论？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 好的。关于我们刚才讨论的$2,000差旅费用，你是否给了他那$2,000？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 当他向你表示他需要该笔钱用于差旅费用时，他是如何向你作出该表示的？是口头还是书面？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第59页\n\n答 口头。\n\n问 你主张郭宝胜向你表示，他需要$10,000，以在华盛顿为你安排一场支持会议；这是真的吗？\n\n答 是。\n\n莫里西先生：我们之前没有谈过这个吗？\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：没有。我只是——我——没有，我还没有——我还没有问过这个问题。那是另一项指控，而且是不同——推定是不同的时间段。\n\n莫里西先生：好的。抱歉。谢谢。\n\n阿尔特米勒先生发问：\n\n问 这——这是真的吗？\n\n答 正确，是。\n\n问 该表示也是口头向你作出的吗？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 针对该表示，你是否给了他$10,000或任何钱款？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第60页\n\n答 是，我给了他10,000。再说一次，不是我把钱给了他，而是他欺诈了我。\n\n问 我理解。当我使用“给”这个词时，我不希望——“转移”可能是一个更好的词。而且——而且他还向你表示，他可以提供有关腐败中国政府官员的重要细节，以换取$10,000；对吗？\n\n答 是一万。\n\n问 你是否给了他那10——抱歉——你是否将那$10,000转给了他？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 好的。他是口头作出该表示，还是书面作出？\n\n答 口头。\n\n问 好的。你主张郭宝胜发布了如下推文：郭称其于1989年学生运动期间因向学生提供资金而被判处监禁，但他实际上被控以欺诈，因此他显然在撒谎。郭宝胜是否——发布了该推文？\n\n答 我不记得。\n\n问 该陈述，是否——是否——该陈述不实？而且——让我重新表述一下。我刚才所说的、你主张郭宝胜曾发布推文的该陈述；该陈述是否不实？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） 第61页\n\n莫里西先生：你能不能把它反过来问，然后——\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：就这么做吧。你知道，我实际上——实际上，我已经后悔问这个问题了，所以我将——我将——就撤回它，然后以更具体的方式提出。\n\n阿尔特米勒先生发问：\n\n问 你是否曾称，你于1989年学生运动期间因向学生提供资金而被判处监禁？\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：我想在问他这个问题时明确一下。我问的是，他是否曾作出该陈述。我不是问该事情是否真实发生。我问的是他是否曾经\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-30 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第18页，共\n\n第62页 第64页\n\n1 作出过该陈述。 1 口译员：与黑客合作陷害\n证人：我不记得。 中国人权活动人士？\n2 2\n3 3\n阿尔特米勒先生发问： 阿尔特米勒先生：人权活动人士。\n问 你是否曾在 口译员：人权活动人士。\n中国被判处监禁？ 证人：那不正确。\n5 5\n答 是。 6 阿尔特米勒先生：好的。我想明确的是，我问他是否\n问 原因是什么？ 发布过该推文，而不是该陈述是否真实，\n答 反革命——煽动——煽动 8 而是郭宝胜是否发布过该推文。\n9 革命。 莫里西先生：我的意思是，他已经承认这些\n问 煽动革命？ 陈述，所以——\n答 煽动。 阿尔特米勒先生：好的。让我们——\n12 校核口译员：煽动 我——我试图奠定基础，因为当我问及——时遇到了问题\n13 反革命。 阿尔特米勒先生发问：\n口译员：煽动 16\n15 反革命。 问 你知道吗，我很乐意介入并这样问：是否有人曾怀疑你\n阿尔特米勒先生发问： 与黑客合作陷害中国人权\n问 你在监狱里待了多久？ 18 活动人士？是否有人曾怀疑你——你曾做过那种事？\n答 二十二个月。 19\n问 你当时多大？ 莫里西先生：他怎么会知道？\n答 十九岁。 20\n问 好的。好。你——你主张 21\n22 郭宝胜曾用英文发布推文，称你 阿尔特米勒先生：如果答案是\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所） Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律所）\n\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n第63页 第65页\n\n1 被怀疑与黑客合作陷害 我不知道，也可以。\n中国人权活动人士。郭宝胜是否确实 莫里西先生：是的。不。这个问题要求推测。\n2 发布过该推文？ 2\n3 3\n4 莫里西先生：我们是不是要逐项 口译员：从未有过。那些是\n询问起诉状中 共产党所说的话。\n5 各项指控是否属实？ 阿尔特米勒先生：顺便说一下，我乐于接受你的\n6 回答。如果——如果我们要确定\n7 阿尔特米勒先生：不完全是，但我们在逐项审查——特别重要的事项，因为 证人对于该\n8 我们可以跳过前100项。所以，实际上，当你排除法律结论后，剩下的 陈述是否真实的回答是“我不知道”，我——我对该回答非常\n9 非常少。 满意。\n10 10\n\n我实际上差不多快问完这里的问题了。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：我——我不确定他的回答是什么。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：好的。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：我只是需要——我需要知道什么——我只是需要知道其中一些问题的答案。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：嗯，你告诉我他不可能知道，所以我——\n\nMORRISSY 律师：不。我告诉你，这需要推测。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：好的。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：那么我先问一下，是否——是否——你是否知道——Baosheng Guo（郭宝胜）是否发推文称那件事？抱歉。我要说的是，他发推文称 Wengui Guo（郭文贵）被怀疑与黑客合作，构陷中国人权活动人士。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：我说的是，他怎么可能知道。\n\n证人：所以，你问的问题是中国共产党在网上散布的谣言。\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 19 of\n第 66 页 第 68 页\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：好的。那么，中国共产党在网上散布——散布谣言，说你被怀疑与黑客合作，构陷中国人权活动人士；对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：好的。明白。\n\n答：那个问题确实帮助了中国共产党。\n\n问：现在，你声称由于 Baosheng Guo 的这些陈述而遭受损害；对吗？\n\n答：是严重损害。\n\n问：你能否描述一下，你因 Baosheng Guo 的这些陈述而遭受的损害是什么？\n\n答：他说的话给我在中国的家人造成了极大的伤害和损害。在他的谣言以及他发表针对我的言论之后，我的家人和我在中国的资产遭受了很大损失。我的家人看到他发布的视频后，无法入睡。他们不得不使用助眠剂或安眠药。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：你声称因 Baosheng 所犯的这一诽谤而产生的损害，是否包括你刚才所描述的全部损害？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：关于你在中国的资产，哪些资产在中国受到了损害？\n\n答：Golden Spring（黄金泉）、Beijing（北京）和 Zenith（泽尼思），Z-E-N-I-T-H，以及 Pangu Investment（盘古投资）、Founders Security（方正证券）。\n\nPODHASKIE 律师：Founders。\n\n证人：Founders Security（方正证券）。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：Founders。\n\n口译员：哦，Founders Security（方正证券）。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：这些——这些都是公司吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：你拥有这些公司吗？\n\n答：不，我的家人拥有。\n\n问：好的。你所谈到的员工，是你列出的这些公司的员工吗？\n\n答：是。\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所） Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n第 67 页 第 69 页\n\n所以——所以，大连的法院在该案件之后——所以，大连的法院——\n\n核对口译员：D-A-L-I-A-N。\n\n证人：大连。在——在我们之前谈到的那个人的案件之后，他们对我罚款 \\$13 billion，此后——所以，他——他们在法庭上将 Guo Baosheng（郭宝胜）的视频录像作为证据，并以此威胁我的家人，对我家人的安全以及我员工的安全造成了严重危险，声称我在海外做坏事，并将 Guo Baosheng 的视频和 Twitter（推特）作为法庭证据。\n\n这也是我必须起诉 Guo Baosheng 的第八个理由，以阻止他进一步伤害我的家人、我的员工、我的同志以及我的资产。\n\n因此，我恳请我的律师以及你们提高 Guo Baosheng 先生应支付的损害赔偿——或者说美元金额。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：你刚才描述的那些损害，是否是你所遭受的全部损害？\n\n问：好的。好的。还有——你被罚款 13——是 \\$13 billion 还是——\n\n答：870 billion——好的。8.7 billion 现金；4.0 billion 股份，总计约 13 billion。\n\n问：这是对公司处以的罚款，还是对某个人处以的罚款？\n\n答：公司。\n\n问：好的。明白。你是否有任何与你刚才所描述的在中国采取的行动有关的文件？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：是否已经向你的律师提交？\n\n答：我会这样做。我们会这样做。我不相信你要求过。\n\n问：好的。Golden Spring、Zenith、Pangu 和 Founders Security 这些公司不是你所有，而是由你的家人所有，对吗？\n\nMORRISSY 律师：仅为澄清，“所有”是什么意思？我们需要澄清这意味着什么。我知道他这么说了，但是——\n\nALTMILLER 律师：是的，所以我正试图——\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）\n703-780-9559\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 20 of\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）第 70 页\n\n澄清。我的意思是，我——\n\nMORRISSY 律师：嗯，不。从你的问题来看，似乎并非如此。你只是略过了“由他的家人所有”是什么意思，对吗？\n\nALTMILLER 律师：不是由他所有。这怎么说？由并非 Wengui Guo 的人所有。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：我不确定那是他的意思。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：好的。那么，这正是我试图查明的。这就是为什么我通过说由他的家人所有、而非由他所有来澄清。我并不只是说由他的家人所有。我说的是由他的家人所有、而非由他所有。\n\n证人：不，不，你错了。\n\nPODHASKIE 律师：你想要不作记录吗？我可以解释。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：我不介意。我会不作记录地——我的意思是，我只是想知道。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：好的。是的。不，我明白你的意思，而且我——我只是想让你知道——\n\nALTMILLER 律师：好。让我们——\n\nMORRISSY 律师：——你正在走上一条\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）第 71 页\n\n某种程度上不正确的路径。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：好的。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：我认为这可能是翻译的产物，而且——\n\nALTMILLER 律师：好的。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：并不是说翻译有什么问题。只是——\n\nALTMILLER 律师：让我们——让我们先不作记录，我很乐意澄清。我——我不是试图造成错误印象。\n\n视频操作员：我们于 12:26 停止记录。\n\n（随后进行了不作记录的讨论。）\n\n视频操作员：我们于 12:29 恢复记录。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：好的。现在，我们已约定，所述公司由一个基金拥有，而该基金又由证人 Wengui Guo 的家人拥有。对。好的。抱歉。\n\nLAUFER 律师：嗯，我们约定的是证词。我们不知道那是否属实。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：对，是的。是的，我们约定证人的证词是，他的家人——他也是其中一员——\n\nALTMILLER 律师：对。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：——是一个基金的受益人，为了便于表述或理解，该基金拥有并控制某些实体。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：对。好的。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：那么现在让我这样问：你对拥有这些公司的该基金所占的所有权比例是多少？\n\n答：我们被列为受益人。我们不指定比例。\n\n问：好的。好的。你认为，针对这些公司所采取的行动，具体是因为 Baosheng Guo 在其 Twitter（推特）账户上发表的陈述而采取的，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。你认为政府是出于何种原因，针对 Baosheng Guo 的推文采取了该行动？\n\n答：没有。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：我跟你说，我们这样办——我接下来实际上只有两个主要议题要讨论，下一个议题相当大，而且我本来计划无论如何在 12:45 左右休息一下吃午饭，Alex 需要去给停车计时器投币。所以我实际上很希望我们能够——我们没有剩下太多时间了；我的意思是，你知道，可能就这一事项再有一两个小时。所以，如果可以的话——\n\nMORRISSY 律师：需要多长时间——那么你想现在休息吗？\n\n证人：继续可以。我不想停；继续。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：如果还有一个小时，为什么休息？\n\nALTMILLER 律师：嗯，可能——可能要两个小时。我跟你说，我们继续——我们——我们继续，看看——看看会进行到哪里。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-30 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 21 of\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）第 74 页\n\nMORRISSY 律师：如果我们需要休息去给停车计时器投币，那显然是一回事，但是——\n\nLAUFER 律师：是的，我没问题。我下去——\n\nMORRISSY 律师：好的。但是如果——\n\nLAUFER 律师：没问题。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：但是，是的，我的意思是，如果我们还差一两个小时，就一鼓作气完成吧。我的意思是，证人不介意，只要你不介意。哦，当然，你也是。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：嗯，我只是——我只是在考虑这件事。我不想——我不想给大家太大压力，而且——而且到某个时候我确实需要吃东西，我——我不想变得，你知道，因饥饿而暴躁。不过让我们——让我们这样办：让我们继续进行，看看会进行到哪里。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：而且无论如何，如果口译员或法庭记录员需要休息，请告诉我们。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：而且我——我无论如何大约一小时后会想休息，但是——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）第 75 页\n\n但是让我们——让我们看看——看看会进行到哪里。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：你是否有一个名为 guo——www.guo.media 的网站？那是你的网站吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：让我们——让我们将此标记为证物。\n\n（随后，证言证物第 1 号被标记以供识别。）\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：我交给你的是一份——一份打印件，我目前不太关心其下方的英文翻译，而真正关心的只是其中的截图。我想看看你是否认出其中任何以中文发布的内容，以及那些内容是否由你发布。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：所以，为明确起见，被标记为证物的文件顶部写着：3——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）第 76 页\n\nALTMILLER 律师：是。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：——Twitter in www.guo.media？\n\nALTMILLER 律师：是。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：那——那是什么意思？\n\nALTMILLER 律师：就该证物而言，这绝对不意味着任何事情。我认为我们可以约定，它并非——\n\nMORRISSY 律师：好的。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：——该证物的一部分。事实上，我唯一要询问证人的就是——是——是这些截图。我们以后可以讨论该文件的其他部分，但我只是想识别这些截图，以及他是否认得这些截图。\n\nMORRISSY 律师：好的。\n\n证人：是。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：这些内容是在哪里发布的，或者是如何发布的？\n\n口译员：在哪里还是如何？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper 律师事务所）第 77 页\n\nALTMILLER 律师：是。\n\n证人：Guo Media（郭媒体）。\n\n由 ALTMILLER 律师询问：\n\n问：Guo Media 是什么？\n\n答：它是一个类似于 Twitter 的社交媒体平台。我是其中一名用户——其中一名用户。\n\n问：你创建了这个平台吗？\n\n答：我没有创建它。我是参与者之一。我只是顾问。仅此而已。\n\n问：Guo Media 中的 Guo 是谁？\n\n答：这个 Guo 与信息披露有关。所以这是一种用于披露——披露信息的战略性决定。\n\n问：Guo.media 中的 Guo 是否指任何人？\n\n答：不是。它仅仅意味着为革命披露信息。\n\n问：你是否参与了该平台的创建？\n\n答：我没有参与。我只是提出建议。\n\nALTMILLER 律师：只是提出什么？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第78页\n\n口译员：建议。\n\n奥特米勒先生：建议。\n\n核对口译员：“核对口译员”认为，或许使用“提出建议”比使用“建议”一词更好。我没有参与。我只是提出建议，而不是使用“建议”一词。\n\n奥特米勒先生：好的。那——那没问题。\n\n口译员：我提出了一项建议。没问题。\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问：就Guo Media（郭媒体）而言，您向谁提出了建议？\n\n答：Guo Media的投资公司。\n\n问：他们是否来向您征求意见或建议？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您是否在Guo Media，或拥有Guo Media的公司中拥有任何所有权权益？\n\n答：否。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第79页\n\n问：您是否以任何显著方式出现在www.guo.media上？\n\n莫里西先生：请澄清您所说的“显著”是什么意思。也许他会说明。\n\n证人：您使用的措辞与共产党非常相似。您所说的“出现”或“显著”是什么意思？\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问：好的。那么，我不——我不想使用共产主义政府的语言。您的照片是否出现在网站www.guo.media上？\n\n答：当然。很多人的照片都在上面，不——不只是我。\n\n问：好的。\n\n答：那只是一个传输或发布信息和照片的地方，不只是我的照片。\n\n问：所以，如果您进入Guo Media，其首页是否有您的照片？\n\n答：首页——首页没有我的照片。它有很多其他照片。\n\n问：好的。让我——让我——让我问您——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第80页\n\n关于——嗯，您知道吗，我要——我要用这个来问。我们看看这个。\n\n奥特米勒先生：我们将此标记为2号。\n\n（于是，证言笔录证物2号被标记供识别。）\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问：您认得这份文件吗？\n\n答：我认得。\n\n问：这些帖子是您发布的吗？\n\n莫里西先生：抱歉。我们在看哪份文件？\n\n奥特米勒先生：2号。抱歉。2号。可以。\n\n莫里西先生：因为他把那份放在1号后面。所以就用那份。抱歉。\n\n证人：是的，这是其中——这只是其中一部分。来源是Guo Baosheng（郭宝胜）。我转发了它。\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问：所以，他在推特上发布了他的驾驶执照——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第81页\n\n和护照，而您转发了它？\n\n答：他转发的文件包含那些文件，我转发了它。\n\n问：好的。所以您是从Baosheng Guo的推文中获得那些文件的？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：好的。好的。\n\n莫里西先生：获得了哪些文件？\n\n奥特米勒先生：护照和驾驶执照。\n\n莫里西先生：但那不是——我认为那不完全是他说的。我认为证词是，这些东西是他转发的一份文件的一部分。\n\n奥特米勒先生：对。换言之，我理解他的证词是，他从未持有那些文件；他之所以获得它们，是因为有人可能——我假定是我的当事人——在推特上发布了它们。\n\n莫里西先生：是的。我只是——\n\n奥特米勒先生：在推特上发布了一份含有那些内容的文件。\n\n莫里西先生：是的。那是他——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第82页\n\n向法院提交的文件。我的意思是，这不是什么秘密。他向法院提交了这张照片，然后他在推特上发布了它。\n\n奥特米勒先生：等一下。他提交了——\n\n莫里西先生：他向法院提交了这张照片和这张照片。\n\n奥特米勒先生：好的。\n\n莫里西先生：这是——这是公开提交的文件。然后他就此发了一条推文。您不知道吗？是的，它在法院档案中。\n\n奥特米勒先生：好的。我明白了。\n\n波德哈斯基先生：这是移送通知书的一部分。\n\n奥特米勒先生：哦。\n\n莫里西先生：或者是在——移送通知书之前的某封信。\n\n奥特米勒先生：所以这是——这是移送通知书的一部分？好的。这就是我问——这就是我在证据开示中提问的原因。\n\n莫里西先生：是的。不。我只是想确保它——是的，它是——我的意思是，提交给法院的文件——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第83页\n\n奥特米勒先生：对。\n\n莫里西先生：——由您的当事人——\n\n奥特米勒先生：对。\n\n莫里西先生：——提交的文件，在证据开示中又交还给您，因此应当相当清楚发生了什么。\n\n奥特米勒先生：好的。\n\n莫里西先生：我的意思是，我——我把那份文件又给了您。\n\n奥特米勒先生：我明白。嗯，这就是为什么我说，这就是为什么——这就是为什么我提出问题，这就是为什么我提出书面质询，以便人们可以说，嘿，这就是发生的情况，而我会说，好的，我不必问那个问题。\n\n莫里西先生：是的。不，那确实发生了，而且——但您问了这个问题。\n\n奥特米勒先生：实际上，我们这样做吧。好的。我们将此标记为3号。\n\n（于是，证言笔录证物3号被标记供识别。）\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第84页\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问：现在，我——我交给您的，是一份翻译证明，涉及我们刚才在证物1中查看的一些帖子。我现在所指的证物3是该翻译件。此前已向您的律师提供。请问，您以前看过这份文件吗？\n\n答：我看过。\n\n问：而且——而且，实际上，让我——让我修改我刚才所说的话。让我修改，因为我说了一些——一些不准确的话。我指的是Guo Media上的——上的——上的帖子。这些实际上是——视频的翻译件。并且——\n\n答：我明白。我看过。\n\n莫里西先生：这是昨天给的吗？\n\n奥特米勒先生：不，不。我——这是昨天给的，但数周前就已给过。我的意思是，我——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）第85页\n\n莫里西先生：但形式不同？\n\n奥特米勒先生：是的。我们只是——我——我根据Rule 26披露，并在我们持续补充——那些——那些披露的义务下，交付了这份文件。\n\n莫里西先生：好的。是的。实际上，我现在只是没有把它放在面前。\n\n奥特米勒先生：这——\n\n莫里西先生：您给了我。\n\n奥特米勒先生：是的。\n\n莫里西先生：我只是在问这个问题时没有把它放在面前。\n\n奥特米勒先生：哦，好的。\n\n莫里西先生：我——我只是要求澄清。仅此而已。\n\n奥特米勒先生：哦，好的。好的。\n\n奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n问：所以您以前看过这个。您——您是否查看过，您是否认为这准确反映了所识别视频中作出的陈述？\n\n答：是的，是的。\n\n第86页 第88页\n\n1 问\n我想谈谈其中仅仅几个——几个方面，如果可以的话。您是否将Baosheng Guo称为政治骗子、宗教骗子和野兽？ 1 答 Yvette Wong（黄伊薇特）。\n\n2 2 问 Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）是谁？\n\n3 答\n是，我这样称呼过。 3 答 曾是我的雇员。现为我的合伙人，是一名支持信息披露、支持革命的人。也曾受到CCP（中国共产党）的伤害。\n\n4 4 问 Jacki Wang（王杰基），是——Wang吗？\n\n5 问\n而且——而且，那是因为您相信Baosheng Guo是个骗子，对吗？ 5 答 加利福尼亚州一名反对共产党的同志。\n\n6 6 问 而且他——他被Baosheng Guo诈骗了？\n\n7 答\n是。 7 答 是。\n\n8 8 问 好的。他被诈骗了多少钱？\n\n9 问\n而且您还说他曾试图骗取钱财和诈取捐款；这正确吗？ 9 答 他不会披露他被诈骗的金额，因为他是其中一名证人，也是购买或支付机票和费用的人。其名字是G.S. Muyang，GS M-U-Y-A-N-G。\n\n10 10 问 好的。那么，Robert Wang（王罗伯特）是谁？\n\n11 曾试图骗取钱财和诈取捐款；这正确吗？ 11\n\n12 答\n是。 12 答 被他诈骗约180,000至160,000的一名加拿大人。\n\n13 问\n而且您也相信那是真的？ 13 问 好的。您知道他是如何被——\n\n14 答\n正确。 14\n\n15 问\n而且我们此前讨论过——我认为此前讨论过您相信这一点的理由。这是因为您相信他诈骗了您。对吗？ 15\n\n16 16\n\n17 答\n是。 17\n\n18 18\n\n19 问\n而且您相信他也对其他人权活动人士做过此事，对吗？ 19 问 好的。那么，Robert Wang是谁？\n\n20 20 答 被他诈骗约180,000至160,000的一名加拿大人。\n\n21 答\n是。 21 问 好的。您知道他是如何被\n\n22 问\n而且，您认为——您认为—— 22\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所） Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）\n703-780-9559 703-780-9559\n\n第87页 第89页\n\n1 情况是这样的原因，是因为您先前在证词中描述的、针对其他人权活动人士的诈骗行为？ 1 被Baosheng Guo诈骗的吗？\n\n2 描述的、针对其他人权活动人士的诈骗行为？ 2 答 他以支持Guo Wengui（郭文贵）为由，称他需要钱举办会议以及支付差旅费等。\n\n3 3 Wengui，并且他需要钱举办会议\n\n4 答\n是。 4 以及支付差旅费等。\n\n5 问\n而那些是——那些由于会使他们面临中国政府的危险，您无法向我提供其姓名的人，对吗？ 5 问 而且您知道此事，是因为Robert Wang告诉您的吗？\n\n6 6 答 是。\n\n7 您无法向我提供其姓名的人，对吗？ 7\n\n8 答\n其中一些我已经在我提交的文件中披露。有些我不能披露。 8 问 好的。Wayne——叫什么？\n\n9 9 口译员：Cao。\n\n10 问\n对于您披露的那些人，您能告诉我他们的姓名吗？ 10 奥特米勒先生询问：\n\n11 11 问 ——Cao也是被Baosheng Guo诈骗的；这正确吗？\n\n12 答\n一个人的名字是Mu Yung。另一个是Jacki Wang、Sara和Robert Wang。我提供了这些名字。Wayne Cao（曹韦恩）和Hank，以及Yvette Wang。 12 答 他从我这里诈骗的钱，他给了Wayne Cao。\n\n13 13 他从我这里诈骗的钱，他给了Wayne Cao。\n\n14 14 核对口译员：Wayne Cao把钱给了他。\n\n15 问\nY-V-E-T-T-E？ 15 口译员：哦，Wayne Cao把钱给了——\n\n16 16 核对口译员：他从他那里诈骗的钱，是Wayne Cao把钱交给他的。\n\n17 莫里西先生：Yvette。 17\n\n18 口译员：Yvette Wang。 18\n\n19 核对口译员：Yvette。 19\n\n20 莫里西先生：Yvette。 20\n\n21 奥特米勒先生询问： 21\n\n22 问\nY-V-E-T-T-E？ 22 证人：Wayne Cao是该人\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所） Misty Klapper & Associates（Misty Klapper律师事务所）\n\n案号22-50073，文件404-30，提交日期05/20/22，录入日期05/20/22 11:52:18，第25页，共\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第90页\n\n其将钱交给了 Guo Baosheng（郭宝胜）。\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：\n问：哦，所以有人代表你把钱交给了他？好的。\n答：我把钱交给了 Wayne Cao（韦恩·曹）。韦恩·曹把钱交给了郭宝胜。\n问：好的。多少钱？\n答：超过$10,000现金，另外还有一些葡萄酒和烈酒，总计约20,000。\n问：好的。实际上——我本想问你，关于证物2，即驾驶执照和护照，你为什么把它发布在 Guo Media（郭媒体）上？\n莫里西先生：嗯，是他发布的吗？证词中从未说过那一点。\n阿尔特米勒先生：好的。那么我会问他。\n莫里西先生：是的，我们先澄清那一——\n阿尔特米勒先生：他说他转推了它，所以——\n莫里西先生：不，他没有。他说的是——那不是他说的。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第91页\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：好的。我会问他——那么我会问他他说了什么。\n莫里西先生：好的。\n\n阿尔特米勒先生：\n问：这是你发布郭宝胜的驾驶执照和护照吗？\n答：不是。郭宝胜本人在其法庭法律文件中推送了这些内容。我转推了它。\n问：好的。这就是我以为你说过的话。我问的是，你为什么转推它？\n答：他推送了它。我只是帮助他，让人们知道案件的进展。\n问：所以你这么做是为了帮助郭宝胜？\n答：我是在帮助人们了解本案的进展，因为是他推送了它，我便转推了它，因为所有被他欺骗的人都在关注案件的进展。\n问：驾驶执照下面的中文文字写了什么？\n答：请登录。如果您喜欢，请分享或留言。这是郭媒体的一项功能——这是一项功能。与我无关。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第92页\n\n问：好的。好吧。\n阿尔特米勒先生：我们休息几分钟。\n视频操作员：我们于12:59停止记录。\n（随后休庭。）\n视频操作员：我们于13:10恢复记录。\n莫里西先生：就在我们——我知道我们一直在谈论休息，刚刚也休息了一次，以及需要补充食物的问题，但每次我们休息时，我们都注意到外面聚集的人越来越多，其中一些来自一家媒体公司，而被告一直以来都曾接受该公司采访。我们认为，继续在此停留较长时间，会对我当事人的安全构成明显威胁。因此，既然如此，你——\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates 第93页\n\n知道，如果你想——我们把它进行完，如果你想休息一下给你的当事人打电话，让他要求该媒体公司离开，这大概也会是一件积极的事。\n阿尔特米勒先生：我——我完全同意你，而且——而且我的共同代理律师刚才说出了我正在想的事，那就是，你们有后门吗？\n莫里西先生：没有我以前用过的。\n阿尔特米勒先生：好的。因为我不想处理那个问题。\n莫里西先生：对。嗯，我的意思是，这是你的当事人，对吧。是一家叫 AMD 的公司——嗯，你可以试试，但你知道，这——我并不比你知道得更多，但我得到的信息使我有逻辑理由相信，不是我们给这家公司打电话，也不是可能在那里出现的中国大使馆人员打的电话。\n阿尔特米勒先生：我——我同意，一旦我们排除这个房间里的人，嫌疑人就会减少，所以，让我们——\n\n第94页\n\n莫里西先生：你说“排除”是什么意思？\n阿尔特米勒先生：什么——我的意思是，一旦我们排除这个房间里的人，嫌疑人就会减少。\n劳弗先生：电梯显示有一个下层大厅、一个大厅，还有一个下层大厅。\n莫里西先生：嗯。\n阿尔特米勒先生：嗯，我不会讨论逃离计划。让我们——我们应该——让我们——\n莫里西先生：我只是说，如果——你知道，我们应当继续进行，因为如果我当事人的安保团队认为风险已经升高到必须通知其他机关，或者必须护送他离开的程度，那就不得不这样做。所以，让我们——\n阿尔特米勒先生：我明白你的意思。\n莫里西先生：但我们不希望发生这种事，所以我们继续吧。\n阿尔特米勒先生：我只是想进行一次证言记录。\n\n第95页\n\n证人：（听不清。）法律？\n阿尔特米勒先生：为记录在案，我——我——我无法回答一个——一个要求获得法律意见的问题——\n阿尔特米勒先生：\n问：好吧。让我们——让我们继续。你——你陈述过——郭宝胜是为了确保拉斯维加斯的一场演出而成为民主运动的杀手？\n答：是。\n问：你认为那是真实的，对吗？\n答：是。\n问：你为什么认为他是民主运动的杀手？\n答：因为他欺诈，而且还愚弄那些反对 CCP（中国共产党）的人。那些人为此付出了生命和家庭的代价，因为过去70年来，没有像我这样公开反对——反对共产党并且反革命的人。\n\n第96页\n\n因此，他利用了——反对中国共产党，而且他反对我，这表明他是一个反民主的人、民主的杀手，包括他今天的行为，召集媒体——来到这里。所以他的意图是让共产党的间谍杀了我。\n阿尔特米勒先生：我还应当说明，我的共同代理律师刚刚在楼下，我们可能会得到有关该情况的更新。\n劳弗先生：是的。那里——那里——外面绝对没有任何人，安保人员表示他们对此没有任何担忧。\n莫里西先生：首先，我当事人的安保人员不会与你分享他们的担忧。其次，街上绝对有人。这是 DC。你逐辆车查看过每辆车里的人是谁吗？我们实际上不知道。所以我们会拍下他们的照片。\n阿尔特米勒先生：\n问：好的。你——你是否陈述过被告会与动物发生性关系？\n\n第97页\n\n答：没有。\n问：你是否说过——你是否陈述过郭宝胜曾在东京招妓？\n答：我没有说他招妓。我说他去过脱衣舞俱乐部。也许是翻译错误。\n问：好的。我只是问一下。你为什么陈述郭宝胜去过脱衣舞俱乐部？\n答：因为一名在日本支持我的同志告诉我，加上 Li Xiaomu（李小牧）也告诉我，他去过东京的一家脱衣舞俱乐部。我不知道——如果这是翻译错误，脱衣舞俱乐部里的那些人是否合格，或者是否所谓妓女，但他列出了那家脱衣舞俱乐部。此外，他是支付账单的人。\n问：而且——告诉你这些的人是谁？\n答：李小牧。他们去脱衣舞俱乐部看女性脱衣时，他是代表郭宝胜支付费用的人。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-30 于05/20/22提交，于05/20/22 11:52:18录入，第27页，共\n\n第98页\n\n问：好的。你是否曾陈述郭宝胜很穷，无法提起诉讼或为诉讼进行辩护？\n答：是，我说过。\n问：你是否陈述过，郭宝胜将其诉状移送至联邦法院的原因，是为了让他可以挑选法官？\n答：没有，那不是我说的。没有。\n问：你是否就郭宝胜为何会将案件移送至联邦法院发表过任何陈述？\n答：我已经回答过你的问题。郭宝胜是推送这些照片的人，他炫耀他们与这位 Carter（卡特）总统后裔的律师一起喝过酒。因此，是他推送了这些内容，并且那——是为了向我们表明他也让案件移送至另一家法院。他推送说，新法院的法官歧视中国人；亚洲人，尤其是中国人。所有这些举动都对我们的案件不利。他说这是——邪恶郭的终结日期。\n\n第99页\n\n书记员：什么的？抱歉。\n口译员：指的是他。\n证人：邪恶郭，G-U-O，我的名字，是的，姓氏。\n口译员：哦，邪恶郭。\n证人：他说，或者他推送说，这——邪恶郭的终结日期到了。但在这么长时间后见到你们，我仍然活着。你们没有杀我。谢谢。\n阿尔特米勒先生：\n问：你——你有美国护照吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你是否曾声称你有美国护照？\n答：我从未这样声称过。\n问：你是否曾说过你与世界第一黑客有关系？\n答：我们说的是，我们正在联系世界第一黑客以反对中国共产党。因此，不要截取我的陈述片段并歪曲它。那太像共产党了——\n\n第100页\n\n而那些不是事实。\n问：你目前的净资产是多少？\n答：负数。\n问：好的。\n答：我已经在许多媒体上说过，我已经没有钱了，即使——我在祖国的13 billion资产也被没收了。因此我拥有负资产，这就是我正在起诉的原因。\n核对口译员：他说的是1.3 billion。\n（英语和中文交谈重叠。）\n口译员：他说的是13 billion。\n核对口译员：因为他说的是，（中文），那是1.3 billion。但现在他纠正了，所以——\n（交谈重叠。）\n证人：是，是，对。13 billion是正确的。你是对的。谢谢。我错了。\n阿尔特米勒先生：\n问：那么你是否曾在公开场合将自己描述为亿万富翁？\n\n第101页\n\n答：从未。\n问：好的。好吧。你在美国拥有任何资产吗？\n答：事实上，依法没有。\n问：你从任何来源获得收入吗？\n答：没有。共产党关闭或扣押了我所有的账户和信用卡，尤其是在郭宝胜开始与共产党合作之后，我所有的账户都被冻结了，我一分钱也没有了。\n问：你如何支付开支？\n答：借来的。\n问：所以你现在仍继续借钱来——支付你持续发生的开支？\n答：是。\n问：好的。除你在我们先前讨论的拥有那些公司的基金中的权益外，你是否以自己的名义拥有任何资产或房地产？\n答：我在纽约居住的公寓，\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第102页 781 Sherry-Netherland，由以我名义设立的基金拥有，但它不是我的。 （法庭书记员澄清。） （随后，进行了庭外讨论。） 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：那么——那么——曼哈顿的那套公寓并不在您名下，对吗？ 答：它在我名下，但我并不拥有它。 问：好的。 答：或者说，我不拥有它。 MORRISSY 先生：那么，我们来——“在我名下”是什么意思——我们只谈谈“在我名下”是什么意思，因为我们谈论的是纽约的一套公寓。您——您是从那里来的。您知道合作公寓和共管公寓的做法，还有—— ALTMILLER 先生：是的。我——我不知道那是什么意思。 MORRISSY 先生：对。这对您重要吗？ ALTMILLER 先生：我是说，我不知道该如何理解这一点，因此在某个时候——我是说，我还没有查过土地登记记录，所以我不知道——我不知道——或者税务记录，所以我完全不知道那是什么意思。坦率地说，我不知道——我不知道该如何理解。 MORRISSY 先生：是的。ACRIS 上全都有，所以—— ALTMILLER 先生：我只是——我完全不知道。 MORRISSY 先生：这是公开信息。 ALTMILLER 先生：我是说，我并不是想耍花招。我只是——如我所说，我只是好奇—— MORRISSY 先生：不，我不是在暗示这一点。我只是想澄清我的当事人所说的话，您知道。 ALTMILLER 先生：他说它在他名下，而他并不拥有它。 MORRISSY 先生：它是在他名下。 ALTMILLER 先生：在他名下。他并不拥有它。 MORRISSY 先生：因为我不知道那是什么意思。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第103页\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第104页 ALTMILLER 先生：嗯—— MORRISSY 先生：我是说，根据合作公寓的规则，他获准住在那里。这些是——我只是—— PODHASKIE 先生：所以这全都是公开的。严格来说，它由一家有限责任公司拥有。股份由一家有限责任公司持有，而他——随后该有限责任公司由另一家控股公司拥有，而他是该控股公司的所有人；并且他还通过专有租约拥有资产，这就是合作公寓的设立方式。它不是共管公寓，因此您并不拥有不动产。您取得股份，并取得该公寓的租约。 LAUFER 先生：所以他是受益所有人？ PODHASKIE 先生：正确。 ALTMILLER 先生：那么——为澄清起见，他是——该房产由一家有限责任公司拥有，该有限责任公司由一家控股公司拥有，而该控股公司又由 Guo 先生（郭先生）拥有？ PODHASKIE 先生：正确。 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：好的。那——那是真的吗？ ALTMILLER 先生：我能否请证人说那是真的？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第105页 证人：是。 ALTMILLER 先生：好的。那么是否会是——那么——好的。好吧。我不确定——我不确定该如何理解，因为这就——这表明他拥有一家拥有另一家公司的公司，而后者拥有一套价值 $65 million 的公寓。 MORRISSY 先生：那么，是谁在对那套公寓估值？ ALTMILLER 先生：嗯，这是个好问题。那么我们这样做—— MORRISSY 先生：它不是以那个数额购得的。 ALTMILLER 先生：让我——那——那是个好观点。我们将此标记为——是4吗？我们将其标记为4。 （随后，证言记录证物第4号被标记以供识别。） 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：那么我问您这个：您知道《纽约时报周日杂志》曾——曾对您做过一篇人物特写吗？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-30 于 05/20/22 提交 于 05/20/22 11:52:18 录入 第29页，共\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第106页 《纽约时报周日杂志》（the New York Times Sunday Magazine）？ 答：是。 问：对于我们这些在纽约长大的人来说，这算是一件相当重要的事。 书记员：抱歉。 ALTMILLER 先生：我说的是，对于我们这些在纽约长大的人来说，这算是一件相当重要的事。 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：无论如何，我——我——我想问您的是，这是——我向您说明，这是所写的——那篇文章，而我——我只——只想就我们讨论的内容追问您的是，这里在第一页和第二段有一部分，开头是：我拥有最好的房子，接着——接着它谈到您拥有的其他一些房产。我——我只是想问，这里的这些陈述是真的吗？ MORRISSY 先生：我们能把这些陈述翻译出来吗？ 证人：不正确。 MORRISSY 先生：不正确。好了。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第107页 ALTMILLER 先生：好吧。这——这——这就是我所问的一切。好的。我们这样做。那是5吗？ （随后，证言记录证物第5号被标记以供识别。） 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：我交给您并标记为证物5的是我昨天下午或晚上收到的一份文件——我想是晚上——即您对书面询问提出的异议和答复的最新版本。您看过这些吗？ 答：我看过。我签了字。 ALTMILLER 先生：我们有签字版本吗？ MORRISSY 先生：有。这应该就是。 ALTMILLER 先生：哦，在这里。好的。只是未经宣誓。好的。只是签字了。好的。好吧。 MORRISSY 先生：他现在是在宣誓之下。 ALTMILLER 先生：是的，他是。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第108页 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：那么——那么让我问您。您阅读了这个并签署了它。您是否证明，据您所知，这些答复真实且准确？ 答：是。 问：好的。 答：但由于——时间限制，它没有被完整翻译。它只是被口头传达给我，但其中的真实性应当没有问题。 问：好的。我想谈谈您对第4号书面询问所作的答复，该答复始于第6页。在该书面询问中，您提供了您所知悉的、作为起诉状和反诉中事件及指控证人的人员姓名。这些是您所知悉的、符合该描述的全部人员吗？ 答：准确。 问：是 Wayne Cao（曹伟恩）吗？这是其发音吗？ 答：Wayne Cao，是。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第109页 问：他——他为您工作？ 答：是。 问：Hank Han（韩汉克）为您工作？ 答：是。 问：Yvette Wang（王伊薇特）为您工作？ 答：合伙人？ 问：还有 Robert Wang（王罗伯特）？ 答：不。是支持者。 问：好的。好吧。我想——我想问您——我之前问过您，您就 Baosheng Guo（郭宝胜）所作陈述的依据。您是否已向我提供了您作出那些陈述所依据的全部事实？我只问我已问过您的那些陈述，而不是——不是任何我尚未问过您的陈述。 答：是。 问：好的。您以诽谤为由起诉 Baosheng Guo，索赔一百万美元。该数额是否有原因？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第110页 答：我告诉过您，在大连诉讼期间，他对我和我的员工造成的——损害。此外，法官以 YouTube 和媒体信息作为作出该——法官裁决的依据。他对我们造成的损害远远超过一百万—— 问：好的。 答：——包括位于香港、正在被调查或扣押的资产，全部都是因为郭宝胜的 YouTube 和 Twitter。因此，他对我的家人、我本人以及所有相关人员造成的损害，远远、远远超过一百万美元。将来我们将寻求提高该数额。 ALTMILLER 先生：我很快休息一下。我想与我的共同代理律师谈谈。你们可以留在这里。我——我如果还没结束，也已经非常接近结束。但我只是想——我只是想在外面与他商议。那样做可能更容易。 MORRISSY 先生：好的。 录像操作员：我们于13:41停止记录。 （随后，休庭。）\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第111页 录像操作员：我们于13:48恢复记录。 （随后，证言记录证物第6号被标记以供识别。） 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：我已交给您一份对我方文件提交请求的补充答复最新版本，该文件已标记为证物6。您以前看过这份文件吗？ 答：我看过。 问：如果您能翻到第4页。 MORRISSY 先生：那么，让我们为记录明确一下。证人不读英文。 ALTMILLER 先生：哦。好的。顺便说一句，这是个好观点。这是个非常好的观点。我此前不知道。 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：那么，让我问——让我问这个—— MORRISSY 先生：至少不是以在这种情况下无需翻译员的方式。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第112页 ALTMILLER 先生：好的。嗯，尽管存在该障碍，也许我会看看能否达到我需要达到的目的。 由 ALTMILLER 先生提问： 问：在第4页，您已提供——为答复要求提供您在起草书面询问答复时所使用文件的请求，您已列出一些 YouTube 视频链接。并且根据与代理律师达成的协议，我们同意无需提交——该视频，但会提交链接。我首先想问的是，这些链接是您提供的吗？ 答：是。 问：您知道这些 YouTube 视频是什么吗；换言之，它们展示什么？ 答：我知道，但我不熟悉或不理解其中全部英文部分。 问：好的。并且——概括而言，那些视频展示什么？\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第113页 答：嗯，那——在我们准备那些文件时，实际上我——我不记得那些 YouTube 视频所描绘内容的确切细节，但我认为它们包括郭宝胜的侮辱以及与此有关的某些内容——他否认从我这里拿钱，诸如此类。他在 YouTube 上多次作出这种说法。这是我必须起诉郭宝胜的第八个理由。而且在公开媒体上，他多次否认他收取——从我这里拿钱。因此，从我听到他那么说的那天起，我就知道他是个骗子。他多次在 YouTube 上声称他没有从我这里拿过一分钱。那是谎言。因此，他是个骗子。我想——我想阻止他骗更多人的钱，我想阻止他，而这就是我起诉他的第八个理由。 问：现在，确实如此，对吗，您没有任何您声称具有诽谤性的 YouTube 帖子的文字记录？ 答：没有。 问：我们要求提供与您的损害赔偿请求有关的文件，而您提到了——YouTube\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第114页 你提供的链接。而且我必须问你这个问题，因为已经提出异议，所以我需要确定是否还有其他文件。是否还有任何其他文件能够证明你在本案中的损失？\n\n答 是。我们可以向你提供更多文件，因此我们需要确保保护涉及的那些人以及他们在中国大陆的家属。一旦法院给予我们此类保护，我们就会向你提供，因为一旦任何此类信息泄露给公众，那些人的生命将处于危险之中。\n\nMORRISSY先生：鉴于该回答，我不确定该问题是否被完全理解。\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。我再问一遍。我所能做的就是提问。\n\nMORRISSY先生：不。我明白你的意思。我——我能说什么呢？我只是——那个——那个回答实际上并未真正回答你的问题，尽管它开始时看起来是这样。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第115页 但你能否向我指出——请求编号？\n\nALTMILLER先生：当然可以。请求编号15。\n\nMORRISSY先生：因此，不仅是YouTube链接，还有已提供的文件——\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。\n\nMORRISSY先生：——即针对文件请求的答复中所提及的——那些文件。\n\nALTMILLER先生：好的。那么，当其写道：“见对请求编号1的答复”时，这并不准确；是否还有你所提及的其他文件？\n\nMORRISSY先生：以及——以及随附传送的文件。\n\nALTMILLER先生：以及随附传送的文件。好的。\n\nMORRISSY先生：是的。我只是想澄清一下。\n\nALTMILLER先生：不。这是真的——这是公平的。让我——好的。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第116页\n\nALTMILLER先生讯问：\n\n问 除你已经向你的律师提供的文件外，是否还有其他文件支持你的损害赔偿请求？\n\n答 是。\n\n问 好的。除这些文件外——嗯，你知道，让我——我不打算——那会是重复提问。好吧。哦。除你向你的律师提供的文件外，是否还有其他文件证明或显示Baosheng Guo（郭宝胜）是公众人物？\n\n答 没有。\n\n问 好的。你证称你的净资产为负值。你是否持有能够证明你净资产数额的文件？\n\n答 是。如果你想要，我可以出示。\n\nALTMILLER先生：我没有进一步问题。\n\n证人：谢谢您，先生。\n\nALTMILLER先生：谢谢。\n\n证人：谢谢您，先生。谢谢。谢谢您，先生。我非常感谢。\n\n703-780-9559 Misty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）第117页\n\n录像操作员：本次证言笔录已完成，我们于13:58停止记录。\n\n（因此，在未放弃签字的情况下，本次证言笔录于下午1:58结束。）\n\n案号22-50073 文件404-30 提交日期05/20/22 录入日期05/20/22 11:52:18 第32页，共\n\n证人证明书\n公证人证明书\n\n本人，Wengui Guo（郭文贵），特此证明，我已\n\n本人，Carolyn E. Friend（卡罗琳·E·弗伦德），作为此前\n\n阅读此前第4页至第117页，\n\n所取证言笔录的主持官员，特此\n\n包括在内，该等页面载有正确的记录文本，\n\n证明，证言载于其中的证人\n\n即本人对向本人提出的问题所作答复的记录，\n\n该证人的证言由本人以速记方式记录，\n\n但经随附勘误表适当注明的变更除外。\n\n其后由本人整理为打字文本；\n\n上述证言笔录是该证人所作证言的真实记录；本人既非\n\n本诉讼任何一方的律师、亲属或雇员；并且本人\n\n证人\n\n亦非本案各方所聘任何律师或法律顾问的亲属或雇员，\n\n亦未在本事项的结果中具有任何\n\n经济或其他利益。\n\n于2019年______________第___日，在本人面前宣誓并签署。\n\n在哥伦比亚特区的公证人\n\n我的任期届满日期：\n\n公证人：\n\n哥伦比亚特区\n\n我的任期届满日期：\n\n2019年10月31日\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）\n\n703-780-9559\n\n703-780-9559\n\n勘误表\n\n案件：Guo v. Guo（郭诉郭）。\n\n证言笔录人：Wengui Guo（郭文贵）。\n\n记录日期：January 23, 2019。\n\n页码\n\n行号\n\n原文为\n\n应改为\n\n13 32\n\n此前证言笔录已由本人正式宣誓；该\n\n证人\n\nMisty Klapper & Associates（米斯蒂·克拉珀律师事务所）\n\n703-780-9559","key_entities":["Guo","CCP","Je","CIPA","Kwok"],"ecf_references":[],"word_count":23862,"status":"published","published_at":"2022-05-20 00:00:00","created_at":"2022-05-20","updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:47:44"}