{"id":"court_ctb_404_7","court":"CTB","case_no":"22-50073","doc_number":404,"sub_number":7,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2022-05-20","title":"EXHIBIT PAX 07 Transcript of the 341 Meeting of Creditors (Part I)","summary_zh":null,"summary_en":null,"body_en":"## **EXHIBIT PAX 07**\n\nTranscript of the 341 Meeting of Creditors (Part I)\n\nUNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT In Re \\* Chapter 11 \\* \\* HO WAN KWOK, \\* Case 22-50073(JAM) \\* Debtor. \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* \\* TRANSCRIPT OF TELEPHONIC 341 MEETING OF CREDITORS MARCH 21, 2022 Electronically Recorded by the Office of the United States Trustee Transcript Prepared By: Christine Fiore, CERT Fiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc. 4 Research Drive, Suite 402 Shelton, CT 06484 (203)929-9992\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n| APPEARANCES: | |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| For the Debtor: | WILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ.
BEN SILVERBERG, ESQ.
URI PINELO, ESQ.
Brown Rudnick, LLP
Seven Times Square
New York, NY
10036 |\n| For the U.S. Trustee: | HOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ.
Office of the U.S. Trustee
150 State Street
New Haven, CT
06510 |\n| For Logan Cheng,
Creditor: | JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ.
Randazza Legal Group
100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor
Hartford, CT 06103 |\n| For Pacific Alliance
Asia Opportunity Fund,
LP, Creditors: | DAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ.
O'Melveny & Myers, LLP
1625 I Street NW
Washington, DC
20006 |\n| | STUART SARNOFF, ESQ.
LAURA ARONSSON, ESQ.
CRAIG McALLISTER, ESQ.
MAKENZIE RUSSO
STEVEN WARREN
O'Melveny & Myers, LLP
Times Square Tower
7 Times Square
New York, NY
10036 |\n| For Bruno Wu, Weican
Meng and Rui Ma,
Creditors: | KAREN WARSHAUER
McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney &
Carpenter
One State Street
Hartford, CT
06103 |\n| For Xiaodan Wang,
Rong Zhang and Chong
Shen Raphanella,
Creditors: | LILLIAN GRINNELL, ESQ.
Wolf Haldenstein Adler
Freeman & Herz
270 Madison Avenue
New York, NY
10016 |\n\n2\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\nAPPEARANCES: (Cont'd) For Samuel Nunberg, AMY ZAMIR, ESQ. Creditor: Nesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP 363 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10001 For the Sherry EMILY KUZNICK, ESQ. Netherland, Creditor: Stroock, Stroock and Lavan 180 Maiden Lane New York, NY 10038\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n4\n\n| 1 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm going to repeat myself |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | from the beginning here because I want to make sure |\n| 3 | it's all on the record and I apologize. |\n| 4 | I'm going to basically start this meeting |\n| 5 | over again and we're going to go very quickly and |\n| 6 | then we'll come back to where I was just about to |\n| 7 | go. |\n| 8 | Today is Monday, March 21st, 2022 and we |\n| 9 | are gathered for the Section 341 meeting in the |\n| 10 | Chapter 11 case of Ho Wan Kwok, also known as Wengui |\n| 11 | Gwo and Miles Kwok. |\n| 12 | My name is Holley Claiborn and I'm a trial |\n| 13 | attorney in the Office of the United States Trustee |\n| 14 | and I will be conducting today's meeting. |\n| 15 | I am recording this meeting and also we |\n| 16 | have the presence of an interpreter on the line |\n| 17 | whose name is Bin, B-I-N. |\n| 18 | And so that I have it on the record, I'm |\n| 19 | going to ask Bin a third time about her oath. |\n| 20 | (The interpreter is sworn.) |\n| 21 | For purposes of speeding this up on the |\n| 22 | record we have appearances today by Jay Wolman, on |\n| 23 | behalf of Logan Cheng.
We have the appearance of |\n| 24 | David Harbach, Stuart Sarnoff, Mia Gonzalez, Laura |\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n5\n\n| 1 | Aronsson, Craig McAllister and Mackenzie Russo, all |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | on behalf of Pacific Alliance.
And for creditors |\n| 3 | Rui Ma, Bruno Wu and Weican Meng, we have Karen |\n| 4 | Warshauer, a paralegal at McElroy. |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I cannot get all |\n| 6 | those names at once. |\n| 7 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, did you translate all |\n| 8 | of the names for the Pacific Alliance? |\n| 9 | THE INTERPRETER:
The names actually just |\n| 10 | a repeat of the pronunciation.
No translation. |\n| 11 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you.
Whoever does |\n| 12 | not have their phone on mute, could you please put |\n| 13 | it on mute?
Thank you. |\n| 14 | Okay.
The other appearances, Karen |\n| 15 | Warshauer, from McElroy, and she represents Bruno |\n| 16 | Wu, Weican Meng and Rui Ma. |\n| 17 | Before I go back to the debtor, are there |\n| 18 | any other creditors on the line who have counsel |\n| 19 | who'd like to put their appearance on the record? |\n| 20 | MS. GRINNELL:
Hi -- |\n| 21 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Please wait for the |\n| 22 | translation. |\n| 23 | MS. GRINNELL:
(Indiscernible) I'm from |\n| 24 | the firm Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz and |\n| 25 | we represent -- |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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6 |\n| 1 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry.
The interpreter |\n| 2 | cannot hear you clearly. |\n| 3 | MS. GRINNELL:
I'm sorry. My connection |\n| 4 | has been kind of off.
Can you hear me now? |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER: Yes. |\n| 6 | MS. GRINNELL:
Okay.
I'll repeat what I |\n| 7 | said. |\n| 8 | My name is Lillian Grinnell.
I'm an |\n| 9 | attorney at Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz |\n| 10 | and we represent the creditors, Rong Zhang, Xiaodan |\n| 11 | Wang, and Chong Sheen Raphanella. |\n| 12 | THE INTERPRETER:
The names you pronounced |\n| 13 | I could not get them. |\n| 14 | MS. GRINNELL:
I'll spell them. |\n| 15 | I'll start with the creditor's names.
The |\n| 16 | creditor's names are Rong Zhang, and that's -- the |\n| 17 | first name is Rong, R-O-N-G, Z-H-A-N-G. |\n| 18 | The second creditor's name is Xiaodan |\n| 19 | Wang.
And her first name is spelled X-I-A-O-D-A-N. |\n| 20 | And her last name is spelled W-A-N-G. |\n| 21 | And then the third creditor, Chong Shen |\n| 22 | Raphanella.
And her first name is C-H-O-N-G. And |\n| 23 | then the second name is S-H-E-N.
And the third name |\n| 24 | is R-A-P-H-A-N-E-L-L-A. |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
I only got Chong Shen |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 7 1 and R-A-P-H-A-L. 2 MS. GRINNELL: I'm sorry. Are you asking 3 me to spell the third name again? 4 (No response.) 5 Sorry? I apologize. My connection is 6 very bad. Do you need me to spell any of the names 7 again? 8 THE INTERPRETER: I think I'm okay. I 9 repeat it to Mr. Kwok already. 10 MS. GRINNELL: Okay. 11 MS. CLAIBORN: Are there any other 12 creditors on the line or parties on the line? 13 MS. ZAMIR: This is Amy Zamir, from 14 Nessenoff & Miltenberg. I'm spell that. My last 15 name is Zamir, Z-A-M-I-R. Nessenoff is N-E-S-S-E-N-16 O-F-F, and Miltenberg, M-I-L-T-E-N-B-E-R-G. And we 17 represent creditor Sam Nunberg, N-U-N-B-E-R-G. 18 MS. CLAIBORN: Is there anyone else who 19 would like to put their appearance on the record. 20 MS. KUZNICK: Yes. This is Emily Kuznick, 21 E-M-I-L-Y, and then Kuznick, K-U-Z-N-I-C-K, of 22 Stroock, Stroock and Lavan, that's S-T-R-O-O-C-K, 23 and Stroock, and Lavan is L-A-V-A-N. And we 24 represent the Sherry Netherland. And for Sherry 25 Netherland it's S-H-E-R-R-Y, and then Netherland, N-\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 8 1 E-T-H-E-R-L-A-N-D. 2 THE INTERPRETER: I'm clarifying what he 3 said. 4 (Interpretation.) 5 THE INTERPRETER: Let me continue 6 clarifying what was yelled out just now. 7 (Interpretation.) 8 THE INTERPRETER: I'm sorry. The 9 interpreter cannot get that. Nobody picked up my 10 question so I don't know. 11 MS. CLAIBORN: Thank you, Bin. 12 Any other creditors or parties in interest 13 before I go back to the debtor? 14 MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach, from 15 O'Melveny and Myers, representing PACS. I just 16 wanted to clarify that is it correct that we have 17 not gotten an answer from the debtor about what he 18 just said? 19 I have not heard any interpretation of it 20 and I understand the interpreter was attempting to 21 clarify what was said but the debtor did not 22 respond, as far as I heard, and we'd like to know 23 what he said. 24 MR. BALDIGA: This is Bill Baldiga. I'll 25 accept your apologies. That was not the debtor, but\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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9 |\n| 1 | I accept your apology for that inference. |\n| 2 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm going to come back to |\n| 3 | that a in minute. |\n| 4 | MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
(Indiscernible) |\n| 5 | whether I should apologize, but can we inquire then |\n| 6 | who made the outburst?
The interpreter was |\n| 7 | attempting to clarify and so are we.
Forgive the |\n| 8 | inference. |\n| 9 | THE INTERPRETER:
So I interpreted what |\n| 10 | you requested.
Just now someone burst out with a |\n| 11 | few words -- with sentences.
The interpreter did |\n| 12 | not get those sentences.
So the interpreter tried |\n| 13 | to clarify who talked and what those words are, but |\n| 14 | nobody picked up the interpreter's question. |\n| 15 | MS. CLAIBORN:
This is Holley Claiborn. |\n| 16 | Could the person who spoke up please answer the |\n| 17 | interpreter's question and identify themselves? |\n| 18 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry about that.
Just |\n| 19 | now it was it was just a video tape. It was not |\n| 20 | someone talked. |\n| 21 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
Mr. |\n| 22 | Kwok -- what Mr. Kwok heard during that outburst was |\n| 23 | someone playing back an audio of his voice and we do |\n| 24 | want to know everyone who is on the phone and we |\n| 25 | would like identified who played that audio clip. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 11 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\n10\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
10 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Thank you. |\n| 2 | UNIDENTIFIED:
Sorry, it was me. I played |\n| 3 | Mr. Kwok's video just now. |\n| 4 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Could the person who just |\n| 5 | spoke identify themselves? |\n| 6 | THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter needs to |\n| 7 | clarify. |\n| 8 | (Interpreter inquires) |\n| 9 | MR. YAN:
My name is Xingyu Yan. I'm one of |\n| 10 | Mr. Kwok's creditors. |\n| 11 | MR. BALDIGA:
Can we have the spelling, |\n| 12 | please?
Could we obtain the spelling of that name |\n| 13 | please? |\n| 14 | MR. YAN:
The spelling is X, for Xray, I, as |\n| 15 | India, N, as in Nancy, G as in George, Y as in Yes, |\n| 16 | U as in umbrella.
Last name Y, A as in apple, N as |\n| 17 | in Nancy. |\n| 18 | MR. BALDIGA:
Ms. Claiborn, Bill Baldiga |\n| 19 | again.
Could you please exhaust the names of |\n| 20 | everyone else on the line, just so we know who is |\n| 21 | participating, whether or not they intend to ask |\n| 22 | questions? |\n| 23 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm trying to get there. |\n| 24 | That was my -- okay. |\n| 25 | Is anyone else on the line?
If you are on |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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11 |\n| 1 | the line, and you could please identify yourself? |\n| 2 | MR. GREIF:
Hello.
My name is Steven Greif, |\n| 3 | G-R-E-I-F. |\n| 4 | MR. WARREN:
Steven Warren of O'Melveny & |\n| 5 | Myers. |\n| 6 | MR. JALBERT:
Craig Jalbert of |\n| 7 | (indiscernible). |\n| 8 | INDISCERNIBLE:
(Indiscernible)
from |\n| 9 | Robinson and Cole. |\n| 10 | INDISCERNIBLE:
(Indiscernible)
from |\n| 11 | Stroock, Stroock and Lavan. |\n| 12 | MS. DEERING:
Alexandra Deering of Brown |\n| 13 | Rudnick. |\n| 14 | MS. CLAIBORN:
This is Holley Claiborn |\n| 15 | again. Thank you all for putting your appearances on |\n| 16 | the record.
And if I could go back to debtor's |\n| 17 | camp, Mr. Baldiga, could you put your appearance on |\n| 18 | the record and note everybody who's with you at your |\n| 19 | location. |\n| 20 | MR. BALDIGA:
Yes.
We're in our -- |\n| 21 | I'm sorry. I missed what was just said. |\n| 22 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, could you go |\n| 23 | ahead, please?
Mr. Baldiga, could you go ahead, |\n| 24 | please? |\n| 25 | MR. BALDIGA:
Yes.
Thank you.
We are at |\n\n83\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
12 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| our offices at 7 Times Square in New York. |\n| And can you please state the name, Mr. |\n| Baldiga, of who is present with you? |\n| (No response.) |\n| MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, could you please |\n| state the names of the people who are with you? |\n| MR. BALDIGA:
Ben Silverberg and Uri Pinelo. |\n| MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay.
Other names I believe |\n| I heard earlier are Una Menye (ph), who is an |\n| interpreter, and Attorney Aaron Mitchell. |\n| MR. BALDIGA:
That's right.
Yes. |\n| Ms. CLAIBORN:
Okay. I'm going to swear in |\n| Mr. Kwok and I would ask everyone to put their |\n| phones on mute. |\n| (The debtor is sworn.) |\n| MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, as you know, today's |\n| meeting is being recorded and there's an |\n| interpreter, Bin, who's interpreting my questions |\n| and the comments of others and will also be |\n| interpreting your answers. |\n| Please wait to answer any questions you are |\n| asked today until the official interpreter has made |\n| a full translation. |\n| I ask that you do not communicate with your |\n| own interpreter who is present with you before you |\n| |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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13 |\n| 1 | answer the questions, and should you do so, I will |\n| 2 | ask the official interpreter to translate that |\n| 3 | discussion. |\n| 4 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry.
Could you please |\n| 5 | repeat? |\n| 6 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Kwok, I ask that you do |\n| 7 | not communicate with your own interpreter who is |\n| 8 | with you today before you answer my questions or the |\n| 9 | questions of others. |\n| 10 | THE INTERPRETER:
He could not use his own |\n| 11 | interpreter. |\n| 12 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, could you translate that |\n| 13 | instruction for Mr. Kwok. |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. |\n| 15 | To the extent -- |\n| 16 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, could you just |\n| 17 | wait for Bin to interpret that instruction for me |\n| 18 | and then you can make your comment. |\n| 19 | MR. BALDIGA:
Two things.
This is Bill |\n| 20 | Baldiga. |\n| 21 | Holley, you've become quite muffled again |\n| 22 | and second, to the extent that Mr. Kwok needs to |\n| 23 | talk to his interpreter to better understand what |\n| 24 | was said or the interpreter in the room with us |\n| 25 | believes that there was a misinterpretation, we will |\n\n| Doc 404-7
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Thank you. |\n| HO WAN KWOK, Sworn |\n| EXAMINATION BY MS. CLAIBORN: |\n| Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please explain the reason |\n| to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy case? |\n| UNIDENTIFIED:
Sorry? |\n| Q
Mr. Kwok, please explain the reasons behind |\n| your decision to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy |\n| case? |\n| MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
We're |\n| having trouble understanding you again. |\n| MS. CLAIBORN:
I apologize.
My phone system |\n| is new and I'm yelling into the phone, but unless I |\n| put it on speaker phone I won't be able to record |\n| it.
Does yelling improve your ability to hear me? |\n| MR. HARBACH:
It's very difficult to |\n| understand your questions because they're so |\n| muffled.
It's not volume, it's diction, if I may be |\n| blunt. |\n| MS. CLAIBORN:
I will try to speak slowly. |\n| Is that any better? |\n| MR. BALDIGA:
It seems to be, yes.
Thank |\n| you. |\n| |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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15 |\n| 1 | |\n| 2 | Q
Okay.
We're going to try this again. |\n| 3 | Mr. Kwok, can you please explain your |\n| 4 | reasons behind filing your Chapter 11 bankruptcy |\n| 5 | case? |\n| 6 | A
I cannot understand you.
I don't know what |\n| 7 | you mean by filing Chapter 11 of bank. |\n| 8 | Q
Mr. Kwok, why did you file your bankruptcy |\n| 9 | case? |\n| 10 | THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter would like |\n| 11 | to clarify the word he said. |\n| 12 | A
I'm not filing any bankruptcy certificate. |\n| 13 | Q
Let me try again. |\n| 14 | Mr. Kwok, you are a Chapter 11 debtor in a |\n| 15 | bankruptcy proceeding here in the United States. |\n| 16 | Mr. Kwok, what were the reasons behind your |\n| 17 | decision to file your bankruptcy case? |\n| 18 | A
So you're asking me why I'm applying for |\n| 19 | bankruptcy, right? |\n| 20 | Q
Yes. |\n| 21 | A
I filed (indiscernible)
in mid-February in |\n| 22 | my second trial, or second appearance in Southern |\n| 23 | District. I was given a fine of \\$120 million and I |\n| 24 | was ordered to pay it off within five days.
So |\n| 25 | without any choices -- so I filed bankruptcy |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 17 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
16 |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | application at Connecticut state and Chapter 11. |\n| 2 | Q
Mr. Kwok, when was the first time you spoke |\n| 3 | with a lawyer about filing a bankruptcy case? |\n| 4 | MR. BALDIGA:
Just the date, or the |\n| 5 | approximate date.
Not the substance of the advice. |\n| 6 | A
Approximately 12, 13. |\n| 7 | Q
Can you please provide the month and the |\n| 8 | year? |\n| 9 | A
It was February the 12th of 2002. |\n| 10 | Q
Did you say 2002 or 2021? |\n| 11 | A
2022.
February the 12th or 13. |\n| 12 | Q
Mr. Kwok, I'd ask you to take a look at your |\n| 13 | bankruptcy petition that was filed with the |\n| 14 | bankruptcy court at ECF 1. |\n| 15 | Mr. Kwok, a handwritten signature appears on |\n| 16 | that petition. Is that your handwritten signature? |\n| 17 | A
Hold on a second. I'll ask the lawyer to get |\n| 18 | it and I'll take a look. |\n| 19 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
We have |\n| 20 | with us the petition with the electronic signature |\n| 21 | as filed.
I don't have in the conference room me |\n| 22 | the handwritten signature.
If you'd like us to get |\n| 23 | it, we could get it at a break. |\n| 24 | Q
Mr. Kwok, can you take a look at the |\n| 25 | document that your counsel has, which is the |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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17 |\n| 1 | bankruptcy petition with your printed name on it and |\n| 2 | confirm that you signed that document prior to it |\n| 3 | being filed with the court? |\n| 4 | A
Please hold on one second.
Let me take a |\n| 5 | look. |\n| 6 | MR. BALDIGA:
Could I hear the translation, |\n| 7 | please.
I want to hear the translation of what you |\n| 8 | said. |\n| 9 | (No response.) |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA:
Is the translator still with |\n| 11 | us? |\n| 12 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, are you on the line? |\n| 13 | (No response.) |\n| 14 | Bin, are you there? |\n| 15 | (No response.) |\n| 16 | It seems that Bin has left us so I'm going |\n| 17 | to put everybody on hold and I'm going to try to |\n| 18 | reconnect her. I apologize. |\n| 19 | MR. BALDIGA:
That's okay.
Could we take a |\n| 20 | short break? |\n| 21 | MS. CLAIBORN:
It's going to take me a few |\n| 22 | minutes to do that, so go ahead and we'll reconvene |\n| 23 | as soon as I can get her on the line. |\n| 24 | MR. BALDIGA:
Thank you very much. |\n| 25 | (Off the record.) |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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We are back on the record |\n| 2 | after a short break due to some technical |\n| 3 | difficulties. |\n| 4 | BY MS. CLAIBORN: |\n| 5 | Q
The pending question was asking Mr. Kwok to |\n| 6 | confirm that he signed the bankruptcy petition that |\n| 7 | was filed at ECF 1. |\n| 8 | A
I have finished looking at it, yes. |\n| 9 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand the |\n| 10 | bankruptcy petition and information it contains |\n| 11 | before you signed it? |\n| 12 | A
Yes, I understood. |\n| 13 | Q
Mr. Kwok, was the petition translated into |\n| 14 | another language for you before you signed it? |\n| 15 | A
Yes, it was translated into Chinese for me. |\n| 16 | Q
Who translated the bankruptcy petition? |\n| 17 | A
My lawyer did. |\n| 18 | Q
Mr. Kwok, I don't think that Mr. Baldiga |\n| 19 | speaks Chinese. |\n| 20 | So who was the company or the person that |\n| 21 | you used to translate the petition for you? |\n| 22 | A
I don't know. |\n| 23 | Q
Mr. Kwok, is the information in your |\n| 24 | bankruptcy petition true and accurate to the best of |\n| 25 | your knowledge? |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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Yes, it is accurate and true. |\n| 2 | Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please take a look at the |\n| 3 | declaration and about individual debtor's schedules |\n| 4 | that was filed with the court docket at ECF No. 79. |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, could you please |\n| 6 | repeat? |\n| 7 | Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please take a look at the |\n| 8 | declaration about an individual debtor's schedules |\n| 9 | that was filed with the bankruptcy court at ECF 79. |\n| 10 | Mr. Kwok, a handwritten signature appears on |\n| 11 | that declaration. Is that your handwritten |\n| 12 | signature? |\n| 13 | A
The document in my hand.
Yes, it was signed |\n| 14 | by me. |\n| 15 | Q
And are you looking at ECF no. 79? |\n| 16 | A
Yes. |\n| 17 | Q
Mr. Kwok, was the declaration that was filed |\n| 18 | at ECF 79 translated into another language for you |\n| 19 | before you signed it? |\n| 20 | A
Yes. |\n| 21 | Q
What language was it translated into? |\n| 22 | A
Chinese. |\n| 23 | Q
Mr. Kwok, do you know who did the |\n| 24 | translation of ECF no. 79? |\n| | |\n\n25 A Yes.\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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And who was that person who translated ECF |\n| 2 | 79 into Chinese for you? |\n| 3 | A
The lawyer. |\n| 4 | Q
Can you tell me the name of the lawyer? |\n| 5 | A
Bill. |\n| 6 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
The |\n| 7 | witness is not distinguishing between what I did |\n| 8 | personally and what we had commissioned, to help |\n| 9 | clarify.
I do not obviously do translations myself. |\n| 10 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Attorney Baldiga, can you |\n| 11 | tell me the name of the translation person who |\n| 12 | worked for you or the name of the company? |\n| 13 | MR. BALDIGA:
I'll have to get that. I don't |\n| 14 | have it here. |\n| 15 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand the |\n| 16 | declaration filed at ECF no. 79 before you signed |\n| 17 | it? |\n| 18 | A
Yes, understood. |\n| 19 | Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please take a look at your |\n| 20 | bankruptcy schedules that were filed with the |\n| 21 | bankruptcy court at ECF 78. |\n| 22 | And Mr. Kwok, for purposes of today, when I |\n| 23 | used the term schedules, either collectively or by a |\n| 24 | particular schedule, I'm referring to the documents |\n| 25 | that were filed at ECF 78. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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Yes, it was translated. | | |\n| 4 | Q | Mr. Kwok, were you involved in preparing the | |\n| 5 | responses and the answers to the questions in the | | |\n| 6 | schedules? | | |\n| 7 | A
Yes, I was. | | |\n| 8 | Q | Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand all of | |\n| 9 | the responses and the answers to the questions in | | |\n| 10 | the schedules before you signed the declaration that | | |\n| 11 | was filed at ECF 79. | | |\n| 12 | A
Yes. | | |\n| 13 | Q | Mr. Kwok, who assisted you in the | |\n| 14 | preparation of your bankruptcy schedules? | | |\n| 15 | A
The lawyer. | | |\n| 16 | Q | Mr. Kwok, can you tell me which lawyers | |\n| 17 | helped you? | | |\n| 18 | A
Bill. | | |\n| 19 | Q | Mr. Kwok, are you referring to Attorney | |\n| 20 | Baldiga? | | |\n| 21 | A
Yes. | | |\n| 22 | Q | Mr. Kwok, did any other lawyers help you in | |\n| 23 | preparing your bankruptcy schedules? | | |\n| 24 | A
Yes. | | |\n| 25 | Q | Can you please tell me the names of the | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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22 |\n| 1 | other lawyers who assisted you? |\n| 2 | A
I don't know how to say their names. I |\n| 3 | cannot read English well. |\n| 4 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I'm |\n| 5 | happy to add that, of course, other of our |\n| 6 | colleagues here at Brown Rudnick assisted. But I'm |\n| 7 | not sure Mr. Kwok would have details as to who |\n| 8 | exactly assisted on what part of it, but you could |\n| 9 | ask, of course. |\n| 10 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did any lawyer help you prepare |\n| 11 | your schedules who is not a lawyer at Brown Rudnick? |\n| 12 | MR. BALDIGA:
Excuse me. I need to talk with |\n| 13 | Mr. Kwok for one second. I'm just going to put you |\n| 14 | on mute for one second. |\n| 15 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I'd prefer he answer the |\n| 16 | question before you have your conference, Mr. |\n| 17 | Baldiga. |\n| 18 | A
Because the whole bankruptcy application, |\n| 19 | the whole stuff was arranged by this lawyer.
But I |\n| 20 | don't know all the other details. |\n| 21 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Do you want to confer with |\n| 22 | your client? |\n| 23 | MR. BALDIGA:
I'll clarify only that Mr. |\n| 24 | Kwok likely does not know of all of the |\n| 25 | conversations that we've had with others, but this |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 24 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\n| 23 |\n|----|\n| |\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
23 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | is the opportunity to exam him, so you can obviously |\n| 2 | ask that but we don't want to be misleading. |\n| 3 | Q
Mr. Kwok, aside from Mr. Baldiga and lawyers |\n| 4 | at Brown Rudnick did you speak with any other |\n| 5 | lawyers about preparing your bankruptcy schedules? |\n| 6 | A
Yes. |\n| 7 | Q
Who did you speak with? |\n| 8 | A
Another law firm called Ari and my personal |\n| 9 | lawyer (indiscernible). |\n| 10 | Q
What is the name of your personal lawyer? |\n| 11 | MR. BALDIGA:
Could I confer and I might be |\n| 12 | able to answer that question? |\n| 13 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Go ahead. |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA:
Could I have a second to |\n| 15 | confer, please? |\n| 16 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes. |\n| 17 | (Pause.) |\n| 18 | MR. BALDIGA:
Thank you. |\n| 19 | Q
Mr. Kwok, what is the name of your personal |\n| 20 | lawyer? |\n| 21 | A
Guy Petrillo and
Ari (indiscernible). |\n| 22 | Q
Mr. Kwok do I understand correctly that you |\n| 23 | discussed your bankruptcy schedules with Guy |\n| 24 | Petrillo and Aaron Mitchell? |\n| 25 | A
Yes. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 25 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n| 1 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you discuss your bankruptcy |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | schedules with any other lawyers that you haven't |\n| 3 | yet told me about today? |\n| 4 | A
I don't remember. |\n| 5 | Q
Mr. Kwok, are there any errors or omissions |\n| 6 | in your bankruptcy schedules? |\n| 7 | A
I don't see anything like that now. |\n| 8 | Q
Mr. Kwok, is everything in your bankruptcy |\n| 9 | schedules true and accurate to the best of your |\n| 10 | knowledge? |\n| 11 | A
Yes. |\n| 12 | Q
Mr. Kwok, could you please take a look at |\n| 13 | your bankruptcy statement of financial affairs that |\n| 14 | was filed with the court at ECF no. 77. |\n| 15 | Mr. Kwok, using the numbers at the top of |\n| 16 | the document can you please go to page 20 where you |\n| 17 | will find a handwritten signature. |\n| 18 | THE INTERPRETER: Sorry? |\n| 19 | Q
Where you will find a handwritten signature. |\n| 20 | Mr. Kwok, is the handwritten signature on |\n| 21 | page 20 of the statement of financial affairs your |\n| 22 | own? |\n| 23 | A
Yes. |\n| 24 | Q
Mr. Kwok, was the statement of financial |\n| 25 | affairs translated for you before you signed it? |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22
83 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 26 of |\n|---------------|------------|---------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|------------|\n| | | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 | | 25 |\n| 1 | A | Yes. | | |\n| 2 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, were you involved in the preparing | |\n| 3 | | | of the responses and the answers to the questions in | |\n| 4 | | | the statement of financial affairs? | |\n| 5 | A | Yes. | | |\n| 6 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand all | |\n| 7 | | | the responses and answers to the questions in the | |\n| 8 | | | statement of financial affairs before you signed it? | |\n| 9 | A | I understood all. | | |\n| 10 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, are there any errors or omissions | |\n| 11 | | | in your statement of financial affairs? | |\n| 12 | A | No. | | |\n| 13 | | (No response.) | | |\n| 14 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, would you please answer the | |\n| 15 | question? | | | |\n| 16 | | MR. BALDIGA: | I'm sorry.
Could you repeat | |\n| 17 | that? | | We didn't get the interpretation here in the | |\n| 18 | | room for some reason. | | |\n| 19 | | MS. CLAIBORN: | I'll ask the question again. | |\n| 20 | Q | | Are there any errors or omissions in your | |\n| 21 | | statement of financial affairs? | | |\n| 22 | A | | Up to now I haven't found any errors or | |\n| 23 | omissions. | | | |\n| 24 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, is everything in your statement of | |\n| 25 | | | financial affairs true and accurate to the best of | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22
83 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 27 of |\n|---------------|-----------------|------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|------------|\n| | | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 | | 26 |\n| 1 | your knowledge? | | | |\n| 2 | A | Yes. | | |\n| 3 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, who assisted you in the | |\n| 4 | | | preparation of your statement of financial affairs? | |\n| 5 | A | | My lawyer, Bill, and my financial advisor, | |\n| 6 | Matt. | | | |\n| 7 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, are you referring to Attorney | |\n| 8 | Baldiga? | | | |\n| 9 | A | Yes. | | |\n| 10 | Q | | And what is the name -- the full name of the | |\n| 11 | | financial advisor? | | |\n| 12 | A | | I don't know how to spell it. | |\n| 13 | | MR. BALDIGA: | It's Matt Flynn and colleagues | |\n| 14 | | at Verdolino and Lowey. | But you could -- | |\n| 15 | Q | Mr. Kwok, is that correct? | | |\n| 16 | A | | I'm afraid I will say it wrong, but I will | |\n| 17 | | | ask for Mr. -- my lawyer Baldiga to clarify for you. | |\n| 18 | Q | We can move on. | | |\n| 19 | | MR. BALDIGA: | This is Bill Baldiga. | |\n| 20 | | | Mr. Kwok simply does not know the full name | |\n| 21 | | | of Matt Flynn or Matt's colleagues at Verlino and | |\n| 22 | | | Lowey, but I confirm that he is pointing at Matt | |\n| 23 | | | Flynn next to him when he answers the question. | |\n| 24 | | MS. CLAIBORN: | Thank you. | |\n| 25 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, did anyone else help you with your | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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No. |\n| 3 | Q
Mr. Kwok, how long have you lived in the |\n| 4 | United States? |\n| 5 | A
Nearly seven years. |\n| 6 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
I |\n| 7 | didn't get the translation of the answer. |\n| 8 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, can you please repeat |\n| 9 | your translation. |\n| 10 | THE INTERPRETER:
Nearly 7 years. |\n| 11 | Q
Mr. Kwok, do you still live at the Taconic |\n| 12 | Road property in Greenwich? |\n| 13 | A
Yes. |\n| 14 | Q
Who owns that property in Greenwich? |\n| 15 | A
My wife. |\n| 16 | Q
Your bankruptcy documents refer to a company |\n| 17 | called Greenwich Land, LLC.
Who owns that company? |\n| 18 | A
My wife. |\n| 19 | Q
What is your wife's name? |\n| 20 | A
(Indiscernible) |\n| 21 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, could you please |\n| 22 | translate that for me into a spelling? |\n| 23 | THE INTERPRETER:
Let me just clarify with |\n| 24 | him which Chinese characters are, then I can spell |\n| 25 | it for you. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22
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Their | |\n| 3 | | | spelling is different from Mainland and I don't know | |\n| 4 | | how to spell her name. | | |\n| 5 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, could you just please spell her | |\n| 6 | last name? | | | |\n| 7 | A | I don't know how to spell. | | |\n| 8 | Q | | Does anyone else have a membership interest | |\n| 9 | | | in Greenwich Land LLC aside from your wife? | |\n| 10 | A | I don't know. | | |\n| 11 | Q | | When was Greenwich Land LLC formed as a | |\n| 12 | company? | | | |\n| 13 | A | 2020. | | |\n| 14 | Q | | Mr. Kwok, have you ever been a member of | |\n| 15 | | Greenwich Land, LLC? | | |\n| 16 | A | No. | | |\n| 17 | Q | | How much did Greenwich Land, LLC pay for the | |\n| 18 | | | purchase of the Greenwich property on Taconic Road? | |\n| 19 | A | | I don't know specifically but approximately | |\n| 20 | 5 million. | | | |\n| 21 | Q | | And how was that purchase funded? | |\n| 22 | A | I don't know. | | |\n| 23 | Q | | Who would know the answer, Mr. Kwok? | |\n| 24 | | THE INTERPRETER: | Sorry? | |\n| 25 | Q | | Who would know the answer to that, Mr. Kwok? | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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My wife knows. |\n| 2 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach and I |\n| 3 | apologize for the interruption. |\n| 4 | We missed the translation by the number of |\n| 5 | that Mr. Kwok said approximately this kind of |\n| 6 | property would cost.
Could that please be repeated? |\n| 7 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, the interpreter |\n| 8 | cannot hear you clearly. |\n| 9 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach, I will ask your |\n| 10 | question again. |\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
Thank you. |\n| 12 | Q
How much was the Taconic Road property in |\n| 13 | Greenwich purchased for? |\n| 14 | A
I don't know clearly but approximately 4 |\n| 15 | million to 5 million. |\n| 16 | Q
When did Greenwich Land LLC purchase the |\n| 17 | property on Taconic Road in Greenwich? |\n| 18 | A
I don't know the specific time. |\n| 19 | Q
Do you know the year? |\n| 20 | A
2019 or 2020. I don't remember clearly. |\n| 21 | (Unintelligible background chatter.) |\n| 22 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Could whoever is speaking |\n| 23 | identify themselves? |\n| 24 | MR. BALDIGA:
Excuse me just for one second. |\n| 25 | We may have a translation issue.
I'm just going to |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 30 1 put you on mute for one second. 2 (Pause.) 83\n\n3 MR. BALDIGA: This is Bill Baldiga. We 4 believe that the answer by Mr. Kwok to the date was 5 2019 or 2020, but the translator may have said 2020 6 without a mention of 2019. I obviously don't know. 7 But that's -- if it matters, you could re-ask to be 8 sure that there's clarity around that?\n\n9 Q Mr. Kwok, when did Greenwich Land LLC 10 purchase the Taconic Road property in Greenwich? 11 A Maybe it's 2020 or maybe it's 2019. I don't 12 remember clearly. I don't know.\n\n13 Q Mr. Kwok, did you sign any documents in 14 connection with the purchase of the Taconic Road 15 Property in Greenwich?\n\n16 A No.\n\n17 Q Mr. Kwok, who lives at the Taconic Road 18 property in Greenwich?\n\n19 THE INTERPRETER: Sorry? Who -- 20 Q Who lives at the Taconic Road property in 21 Greenwich? 22 A My wife and I. Sometimes my daughter who 23 lives in New York will come back. 24 Q Mr. Kwok, are you currently employed by\n\n25 anyone?\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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31 |\n| 1 | THE INTERPRETER:
Are you what? |\n| 2 | Q
Are you currently employed by anyone or any |\n| 3 | company? |\n| 4 | A
No. |\n| 5 | Q
Mr. Kwok, have you had any employment or any |\n| 6 | job with an employer since you started living in the |\n| 7 | United States? |\n| 8 | A
I don't remember clearly.
I don't remember |\n| 9 | clearly but approximately in 2015 at Golden Spring I |\n| 10 | worked for some time.
After I got part of my wages |\n| 11 | of salary I left and nothing else. |\n| 12 | Q
What work did you do for Golden Spring in |\n| 13 | 2015? |\n| 14 | A
I don't remember quite clearly but it seems |\n| 15 | it (indiscernible)
I was put in charge of |\n| 16 | developing (indiscernible)
investors. But I don't |\n| 17 | remember clearly. |\n| 18 | Q
Mr. Kwok, when did you stop working for |\n| 19 | Golden Spring? |\n| 20 | MR. BALDIGA:
Excuse me just one second. I |\n| 21 | just want to make sure we -- excuse me for one |\n| 22 | second. I just want to make sure we don't |\n| 23 | (indiscernible) translation.
We may. |\n| 24 | (Pause.) |\n| 25 | MR. BALDIGA:
Our interpreter believes that |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 33 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\n32\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
32 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | the response was that if he had a role at Golden |\n| 2 | Springs, it was to develop investment opportunities |\n| 3 | not to develop investors. |\n| 4 | Q
Mr. Kwok, when did you stop working for |\n| 5 | Golden Spring? |\n| 6 | A
I don't remember clearly. |\n| 7 | Q
Mr. Kwok, when you say Golden Spring, are |\n| 8 | you referring to the company known as Golden Spring, |\n| 9 | New York, Limited? |\n| 10 | A
Yes. |\n| 11 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you get paid for any of the |\n| 12 | work that you for Golden Spring? |\n| 13 | A
Yes. |\n| 14 | Q
How much were you paid? |\n| 15 | A
Approximately 200,000. I don't remember |\n| 16 | specifically. |\n| 17 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you receive a paycheck from |\n| 18 | your work at Golden Spring? |\n| 19 | A
I should have but I don't remember clearly |\n| 20 | specifically. |\n| 21 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you put the money that you |\n| 22 | were paid by Golden Spring into a bank account? |\n| 23 | A
I should have put it into a credit card |\n| 24 | account at Morgan Stanley. |\n| 25 | Q
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33 |\n| 1 | account at Morgan Stanley? |\n| 2 | A
Yes, once I had. |\n| 3 | Q
Do you still have a bank account at Morgan |\n| 4 | Stanley? |\n| 5 | A
No. |\n| 6 | Q
When did you close your accounts at Morgan |\n| 7 | Stanley? |\n| 8 | A
Around April, 2017 when (indiscernible)
the |\n| 9 | Chinese Communist Party stated chasing me and |\n| 10 | (indiscernible)
me.
So all my bank accounts were |\n| 11 | closed. |\n| 12 | MR. BALDIGA:
Hold on.
There's a |\n| 13 | mistranslation there. |\n| 14 | (Pause.) |\n| 15 | MR. BALDIGA:
The prior misstatement or |\n| 16 | mistranslation was just the interpretation of the |\n| 17 | word. But here the entire crux of the answer was |\n| 18 | left out.
And I'm not sure what happened. |\n| 19 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Maybe I can ask a different |\n| 20 | question. We can try again. |\n| 21 | MR. BALDIGA:
No, I think -- no, I think -- |\n| 22 | the answer -- I'm concerned with the accuracy of the |\n| 23 | translation because there was specific mention of |\n| 24 | names that were simply not produced in the answer. |\n| 25 | And I'll guess, Bin, did you not hear the mention of |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 35 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n83\n\n| 1 | PACS and Bruno Wu, or was there a sound issue, or |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | what happened? |\n| 3 | (Interpreter translates) |\n| 4 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Kwok, did you -- |\n| 5 | MR. KWOK:
So Bruno Wu, (indiscernible) |\n| 6 | Airlines and also Chinese Communist party, they all |\n| 7 | chased me and wanted to kill me.
So I |\n| 8 | (indiscernible)
-- all my bank accounts were |\n| 9 | closed. |\n| 10 | PAC, PACS.
(Indiscernible)
all the people |\n| 11 | are present today at today's meeting. |\n| 12 | MR. BALDIGA:
Could we have on the record |\n| 13 | the entirety of what Mr. Kwok said.
That's a very |\n| 14 | small part of what he said, obviously.
I don't know |\n| 15 | what he said but that's much shorter. |\n| 16 | (Interpreter translates) |\n| 17 | THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter is asking |\n| 18 | him to (indiscernible)
every two names so that I |\n| 19 | can maintain the integrity of his meaning. |\n| 20 | MR. KWOK:
At today's meeting there are PAC, |\n| 21 | one of the major creditors.
And also |\n| 22 | (indiscernible).
And also (indiscernible)
member. |\n| 23 | All the money that had to be paid went into an |\n| 24 | account of the Communist Party under the name of |\n| 25 | Bruno Wu.
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35 |\n| 1 | representatives of the Chinese Communist party -- so |\n| 2 | when the chasing and killing started I lost all my |\n| 3 | bank accounts. |\n| 4 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
Bin, |\n| 5 | could you please repeat that? |\n| 6 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry? |\n| 7 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
You |\n| 8 | just translated an answer that began with since that |\n| 9 | day.
Can you please repeat the answer in English? |\n| 10 | THE INTERPRETER:
Since that day all those |\n| 11 | people who are representatives of Chinese Communist |\n| 12 | Party, since that day I lost all my bank accounts. |\n| 13 | BY MS. CLAIBORN: |\n| 14 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you have any money in your |\n| 15 | Morgan Stanley account when you closed it? |\n| 16 | A
Yes. |\n| 17 | Q
And where did you move that money to? |\n| 18 | A
Nobody bothered looking at me again since |\n| 19 | the account was closed. |\n| 20 | Q
Mr. Kwok, my question is where did you move |\n| 21 | the money to? |\n| 22 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga -- I'm |\n| 23 | sorry.
This is Bill Baldiga. |\n| 24 | Could you ask if perhaps you're inferring or |\n| 25 | implying that he moved it as opposed to something |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 37 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n| 1 | happened to it?
Could you ask it in a more neutral |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | way and you may get a more full answer? |\n| 3 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you or someone acting on your |\n| 4 | behalf close the Morgan Stanley account? |\n| 5 | A
The Communist Party, Bruno Wu and also the |\n| 6 | (indiscernible).
It was closed by the Communist |\n| 7 | party. |\n| 8 | Q
Mr. Kwok, was the Morgan Stanley account in |\n| 9 | the United States? |\n| 10 | A
Yes. |\n| 11 | Q
Mr. Kwok, how does somebody other than you, |\n| 12 | or someone acting on your behalf close a bank |\n| 13 | account in your name? |\n| 14 | THE INTERPRETER:
He wants me to repeat the |\n| 15 | question, the interpretation of the question. |\n| 16 | (Interpreter translates again.) |\n| 17 | A
It's the core control of the Communist |\n| 18 | Party, like what's happening today. The same thing. |\n| 19 | (Indiscernible)
happened on me. |\n| 20 | MR. BALDIGA:
Ms. Claiborn, could I suggest |\n| 21 | that you ask whether Morgan Stanley closed the |\n| 22 | account, just so we could be more efficient here? |\n| 23 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you close the account at |\n| 24 | Morgan Stanley? |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
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Mr. Kwok, did you close the account at |\n| 2 | Morgan Stanley? |\n| 3 | THE INTERPRETER:
I'm sorry. I still didn't |\n| 4 | quite get the question actually. |\n| 5 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you personally close the |\n| 6 | account at Morgan Stanley? |\n| 7 | A
No. |\n| 8 | Q
Mr. Kwok, did you ask someone at Morgan |\n| 9 | Stanley to close your account? |\n| 10 | A
No. |\n| 11 | Q
Mr. Kwok, how did you find out that your |\n| 12 | bank account at Morgan Stanley was closed? |\n| 13 | A
Morgan Stanley notified me that I was on the |\n| 14 | wanted list of the Chinese government.
So it was |\n| 15 | Bruno Wu who was representing (indiscernible)
name |\n| 16 | on the wanted list so the account was closed. |\n| 17 | Q
Mr. Kwok, when Morgan Stanley closed the |\n| 18 | account, what happened to the money in the account? |\n| 19 | MR. HARBACH:
Ms. Claiborn, this is David |\n| 20 | Harbach. I'm sorry. I missed the second half of that |\n| 21 | question.
When Morgan Stanley closed the account |\n| 22 | and then I lost you. |\n| 23 | Q
I'll repeat my question. |\n| 24 | Mr. Kwok, when Morgan Stanley closed the |\n| 25 | bank account, what happened to the money in the bank |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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The last thing I know was a Chinese speaking |\n| 3 | person called me telling me that my account was |\n| 4 | closed because I was under a wanted list of the |\n| 5 | Chinese government.
And what happened later on I |\n| 6 | don't know really. |\n| 7 | Q
Mr. Kwok, how much money was in the -- |\n| 8 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga -- |\n| 9 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes, Mr. Baldiga? |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I think |\n| 11 | it would be helpful -- I don't want to interrupt |\n| 12 | your flow of questions, if we took a break pretty |\n| 13 | soon.
But if you want to finish this line, certain |\n| 14 | do that. |\n| 15 | I also want -- there may be some confusion |\n| 16 | with the Morgan name and so you may want to ask the |\n| 17 | witness whether it's, in fact, Morgan Stanley or JP |\n| 18 | Morgan Chase. |\n| 19 | MR. KWOK:
Now I remember. I think it was JP |\n| 20 | Morgan Chase.
I just cannot differentiate. I get |\n| 21 | confused with Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan Chase. |\n| 22 | Q
Mr. Kwok, was there only one account at |\n| 23 | whatever it is you're calling it, be it JP Morgan |\n| 24 | Chase or Morgan Stanley? |\n| 25 | A
What I remember is I have this only one |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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39 |\n| 1 | account. |\n| 2 | Q
How much money was in that account |\n| 3 | approximately when it was closed? |\n| 4 | A
A few thousand U.S. dollars. |\n| 5 | MR. HARBACH:
I missed it. Can you repeat |\n| 6 | the English, please? |\n| 7 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, can you please repeat |\n| 8 | the answer? |\n| 9 | (No response.) |\n| 10 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, can you please repeat |\n| 11 | the answer? |\n| 12 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach. I |\n| 13 | missed the translation before the word thousand. I |\n| 14 | did not hear the number.
Could you please repeat |\n| 15 | it? |\n| 16 | THE INTERPRETER:
He said a few thousand |\n| 17 | U.S. dollars. |\n| 18 | Q
Mr. Kwok, when you say a few thousand |\n| 19 | dollars, can you give me an idea of what you mean? |\n| 20 | Was it under \\$10,000? |\n| 21 | A
I don't remember. |\n| 22 | Q
Mr. Kwok, a few minutes ago you testified |\n| 23 | that you were working for Golden Spring developing |\n| 24 | investment opportunities.
Can you explain more? |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
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40 | | | | | | |\n| 1 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I wasn't finished with the | | | | | | |\n| 2 | question. I apologize. I'll try again. | | | | | | |\n| 3 | Q
Mr. Kwok, a few minutes ago you testified | | | | | | |\n| 4 | that you were working for Golden Spring developing | | | | | | |\n| 5 | investment opportunities.
Can you please explain | | | | | | |\n| 6 | what you mean by that? | | | | | | |\n| 7 | A
I don't remember. | | | | | | |\n| 8 | Q
When you were working for Golden Spring, | | | | | | |\n| 9 | were you working in the United States? | | | | | | |\n| 10 | A
Yes. | | | | | | |\n| 11 | Q
When you were working with Golden Spring did | | | | | | |\n| 12 | you have a job title? | | | | | | |\n| 13 | A
I don't remember. | | | | | | |\n| 14 | Q
When you were working for Golden Spring, did | | | | | | |\n| 15 | you do any other work aside from developing | | | | | | |\n| 16 | investment opportunities? | | | | | | |\n| 17 | A
(indiscernible)
Communist Party of China. | | | | | | |\n| 18 | Q
Can you please explain that? | | | | | | |\n| 19 | A
Since 2015 up till now I have been spending | | | | | | |\n| 20 | all my time and my energy on collecting information | | | | | | |\n| 21 | about corruption and also human rights issues and | | | | | | |\n| 22 | assassinations of the Community Party.
That's my | | | | | | |\n| 23 | target and my work. | | | | | | |\n| 24 | Q
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41 |\n| 1 | THE INTERPRETER:
I didn't get you.
Could |\n| 2 | you please repeat? |\n| 3 | Q
Mr. Kwok, do you currently have a source of |\n| 4 | income? |\n| 5 | A
No. |\n| 6 | Q
Mr. Kwok, have you filed your tax returns |\n| 7 | for the year 2021 with the Internal Revenue Service |\n| 8 | in the United States? |\n| 9 | A
No. |\n| 10 | Q
Mr. Kwok, have you filed any tax returns in |\n| 11 | states for the tax year 2021? |\n| 12 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry? |\n| 13 | Q
Have you filed any tax returns for any |\n| 14 | states for the tax year 2021? |\n| 15 | A
No. |\n| 16 | Q
What tax returns will you need to file for |\n| 17 | what states for the year 2021? |\n| 18 | A
Individual tax file in Connecticut. |\n| 19 | Q
Will you be filing a tax return for the |\n| 20 | State of New York for the year 2021? |\n| 21 | A
No. |\n| 22 | Q
Mr. Kwok, you previously provided to my |\n| 23 | office tax returns for the years 2019 and 2020.
Are |\n| 24 | those tax returns the same as the tax returns you |\n| 25 | filed with the Internal Revenue Service in the State |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 43 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n| | | | | |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n| 1 | of New York? |\n|----|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, the date of what? |\n| 3 | MS. CLAIBORN:
2019 and 2020. |\n| 4 | THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, I got that.
What's |\n| 5 | the later part? |\n| 6 | MS. CLAIBORN:
The State of New York. |\n| 7 | A
No, I filed them in Connecticut, 2020. |\n| 8 | Q
Mr. Kwok -- |\n| 9 | A
I in (indiscernible)
for 2019 and 2020. |\n| 10 | 2020 I filed in Connecticut. |\n| 11 | MR. BALDIGA:
Holley, can we take a break |\n| 12 | soon? |\n| 13 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Unfortunately, I'm going to |\n| 14 | suggest that we can't really take a break because we |\n| 15 | only have the interpreter until 2:00.
So if we do, |\n| 16 | it needs to be a very, very short one. |\n| 17 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay. Five minutes? |\n| 18 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Yeah, let me just ask one |\n| 19 | question before we do that. |\n| 20 | Q
Mr. Kwok, please confirm that the tax |\n| 21 | returns that you provided to the United States |\n| 22 | Trustee for the year 2020 and 2019 were the same as |\n| 23 | those filed with the taxing authorities? |\n| 24 | THE INTERPRETER:
The what?
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Authorities. |\n| 2 | Q
Yes -- |\n| 3 | THE INTERPRETER:
Could you please repeat? |\n| 4 | Sorry. |\n| 5 | Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please confirm that the |\n| 6 | tax returns that you provided to the Office of the |\n| 7 | United States Trustee for the tax years 2019 and |\n| 8 | 2020 are the same as those that you provided to the |\n| 9 | Internal Revenue Service and to the State of |\n| 10 | Connecticut and to the State of New York? |\n| 11 | A
Yes. |\n| 12 | Q
Mr. Kwok, in your 2020 tax return -- |\n| 13 | MR. BALDIGA:
I want to clarify.
As you |\n| 14 | know, there were very limited redactions as to |\n| 15 | Social Security number and maybe a couple of data |\n| 16 | points. I'm not sure if the witness knows what we |\n| 17 | did by way of that data protection, but you do. I |\n| 18 | just wanted to not leave the record ambiguous in |\n| 19 | that regard. |\n| 20 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you. |\n| 21 | Q
Mr. Kwok, your 2020 tax return reports |\n| 22 | interest income only and no other source of income. |\n| 23 | Did you have any other source of income in 2020? |\n| 24 | A
No. |\n| 25 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay. I'm going to take a |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 45 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n| 1 | very short break. It is now 12:30. I would like |\n|---|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | everyone to reconvene at 12:35. I'm not going to |\n| 3 | disconnect the call.
I'm just going ask you to all |\n| 4 | put your phones on hold. |\n| 5 | We will reconvene at 12:35.
Thank you. |\n| 6 | (Off the record.) |\n| 7 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay.
We are back on the |\n| 8 | record after a short break. |\n| | |\n\n44\n\n9 Q Mr. Kwok, I would like to talk to you about 10 Golden Spring, New York.\n\n11 Do you currently work for Golden Spring in 12 any capacity?\n\n13 A No.\n\n14 Q When was Golden Spring New York Limited 15 formed?\n\n16 THE INTERPRETER: Sorry?\n\n17 Q When was Golden Spring New York Limited 18 formed?\n\n19 THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, I cannot get the 20 later half. Golden New York what?\n\n21 MS. CLAIBORN: I'm going to actually just 22 refer to it as Golden Spring. When I do that I'm 23 referring to Golden Spring New York.\n\n24 Q When was Golden Spring formed as a company? 25 A I don't know.\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22
83 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 46 of |\n|---------------|-----------|---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------|--------------|\n| | | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 | | 45 |\n| 1 | Q | | The address on the petition is 162 East 64th | |\n| 2 | Street. | Who owns that property? | | |\n| 3 | | I can ask the question again. | | |\n| 4 | | | The address for Golden Spring is listed as | |\n| 5 | | 162 East 64th Street in New York. | Who owns that | |\n| 6 | property? | | | |\n| 7 | A | I don't know. | | |\n| 8 | Q | | What is the nature of that property at 162 | |\n| 9 | | East 64th Street? | | |\n| 10 | A | | I don't know which property you're talking | |\n| 11 | about. | | | |\n| 12 | Q | | The office of Golden Spring -- | |\n| 13 | | MR. BALDIGA: | I'm not sure that was -- | |\n| 14 | | MS. CLAIBORN: | Let me just try again. | |\n| 15 | | The office of -- | | |\n| 16 | | MR. BALDIGA: | There's a translation issue. | |\n| 17 | | | Could we confer for one second because | |\n| 18 | | obviously there's a misunderstanding. | | So could Mr. |\n| 19 | | | Kwok talk to his translator because that obviously | |\n| 20 | | didn't come through. | | |\n| 21 | | MS. CLAIBORN: | Let me just -- I would prefer | |\n| 22 | | if I try again. | Let me try again, please. | |\n| 23 | Q | | The address for Golden Spring on the | |\n| 24 | | | bankruptcy petition is listed as 162 East 64th | |\n| 25 | | Street in New York. | | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22
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46 |\n| 1 | | THE INTERPRETER:
Is it 54 or 64?
5-4 or 6- |\n| 2 | 4? | |\n| 3 | | MS. CLAIBORN:
64. |\n| 4 | | THE INTERPRETER: So maybe because of the |\n| 5 | | phone I mistook the 6 as 5 so let me correct my |\n| 6 | | mistake and reinterpret again. |\n| 7 | A | Yes, that's the address of Golden Spring. |\n| 8 | Q | Does Golden Spring own that building that's |\n| 9 | | located at that address? |\n| 10 | A | I don't know. |\n| 11 | Q | Have you ever been to that address? |\n| 12 | A | Yes. |\n| 13 | Q | What type of building is it?
What's located |\n| 14 | there? | |\n| 15 | A | It was a building. |\n| 16 | Q | Is the building a residential building or a |\n| 17 | | commercial building? |\n| 18 | A | Business building. |\n| 19 | | MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm sorry, Bin. I didn't hear |\n| 20 | | your translation. |\n| 21 | | THE INTERPRETER:
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47 |\n| 1 | A | It's a big family business my son works, but |\n| 2 | | I don't know specifically what categories of |\n| 3 | | business it has. |\n| 4 | Q | Mr. Kwok, when you used the term -- |\n| 5 | A | It is a family office owned by my son.
He |\n| 6 | | has other businesses, but I don't know. |\n| 7 | Q | Mr. Kwok, when you use the term family |\n| 8 | | business or family office, what do you mean by those |\n| 9 | terms? | |\n| 10 | A | It's mainly for the whole family, all the |\n| 11 | | family members.
When there is something we |\n| 12 | | (indiscernible)
and help each other. |\n| 13 | Q | Mr. Kwok, can you explain it in more detail? |\n| 14 | A | I don't know how to explain. |\n| 15 | Q | Does Golden Spring have any employees? |\n| 16 | A | Yes. |\n| 17 | Q | How many? |\n| 18 | A | I don't know. |\n| 19 | Q | Does Golden Spring own any real estate? |\n| 20 | A | I don't know. |\n| 21 | Q | Does Golden Spring own any other business? |\n| 22 | A | I don't know. |\n| 23 | Q | Does Golden Spring have any bank accounts? |\n| 24 | A | I don't know. |\n| 25 | Q | Mr. Kwok, you have previously said in |\n\n48\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
48 |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | documents filed with the bankruptcy court that |\n| 2 | Golden Spring pays for you personal living expenses. |\n| 3 | Can you please explain how they do that? |\n| 4 | A
I don't know what you mean by they pay me. |\n| 5 | In what regard? |\n| 6 | Q
Mr. Kwok, you have previously told the court |\n| 7 | in your bankruptcy documents that Golden Spring pays |\n| 8 | for your clothing, your food and your housing. |\n| 9 | My question is how do they do that?
Do they |\n| 10 | give you money?
Do they pay other people directly? |\n| 11 | How does it work? |\n| 12 | A
Whenever I need any expenses for my basic |\n| 13 | living I talk to my son and he will tell his office |\n| 14 | to give to me. |\n| 15 | Q
Who are the owners of Golden Spring? |\n| 16 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach. I |\n| 17 | missed the end of that question. I talk to my son |\n| 18 | and he -- that answer.
I heard I talk to my son and |\n| 19 | he and then I lost it.
Can I please have the |\n| 20 | English again? |\n| 21 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I didn't hear the |\n| 22 | gentleman? |\n| 23 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach is asking Bin if |\n| 24 | you could repeat the translation of Mr. Kwok's |\n| 25 | answer about how the money flows from Golden Spring. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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49 |\n| 1 | THE INTERPRETER: I'll repeat the |\n| 2 | interpretation. |\n| 3 | When I need expenses for my basic living I |\n| 4 | tell my son.
My son will tell the office to take -- |\n| 5 | Q
Mr. Kwok, who are the owners of Golden |\n| 6 | Spring? |\n| 7 | A
My son. |\n| 8 | Q
Are there any owners of Golden Spring other |\n| 9 | than your son? |\n| 10 | A
No. |\n| 11 | Q
Mr. Kwok, have you ever owned an interest in |\n| 12 | Golden Spring? |\n| 13 | A
No. |\n| 14 | Q
Who are the officers and directors of Golden |\n| 15 | Spring? |\n| 16 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. |\n| 17 | This is something for which there are very |\n| 18 | serious physical security concerns and it's not that |\n| 19 | the debtor would refuse to answer, if he knows.
But |\n| 20 | not on a line like this where it's open to the |\n| 21 | public and who else knows.
There are -- hold on. |\n| 22 | Can I just confer with the witness because |\n| 23 | we'd like to give you as much as possible, but we |\n| 24 | don't want to cause severe security issues. |\n| 25 | So could I just have one minute to confer |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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50 |\n| 1 | with the witness? |\n| 2 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes. |\n| 3 | (Pause.) |\n| 4 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga, again. |\n| 5 | The witness believes that he may know who |\n| 6 | the directors and officers are and is prepared to |\n| 7 | testify as to the best of his knowledge in that |\n| 8 | regard.
And if we could take it one question at a |\n| 9 | time we'll go from there. |\n| 10 | If you could interpret that, because I want |\n| 11 | to be sure that the witness understands what I just |\n| 12 | said as well, please. |\n| 13 | (Interpretation) |\n| 14 | BY
MS. CLAIBORN: |\n| 15 | Q
Mr. Kwok, as of today, who are the officers |\n| 16 | of Golden Spring? |\n| 17 | A
(Indiscernible) |\n| 18 | Q
I'm going to repeat that name so everyone |\n| 19 | understands what I thought I heard.
What I heard |\n| 20 | was Yan Ping, also known as Yvonne Wang.
Is that |\n| 21 | accurate? |\n| 22 | A
Yes. |\n| 23 | Q
Is Yvonne Wang the only officer of Golden |\n| 24 | Spring? |\n| 25 | A
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As of today, who are the directors of Golden |\n| 2 | Spring? |\n| 3 | A
I don't know. |\n| 4 | Q
Mr. Kwok, have you ever been an officer or a |\n| 5 | direct or Golden Spring? |\n| 6 | A
I don't remember. |\n| 7 | Q
Mr. Kwok, who is Max Krazner? |\n| 8 | A
I don't know. I don't know. |\n| 9 | THE INTERPRETER:
Could you please repeat |\n| 10 | the name again? |\n| 11 | Q
Mr. Kwok, who is Max Krazner? |\n| 12 | (No response) |\n| 13 | Mr. Kwok, can you please answer? |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA:
I'm conferring with the |\n| 15 | witness for one second.
Hold on please? |\n| 16 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, I would rather |\n| 17 | he would answer the question before you make a |\n| 18 | confer. |\n| 19 | (Pause.) |\n| 20 | MR. BALDIGA:
Thank you for that |\n| 21 | opportunity.
The witness could answer. |\n| 22 | A
He has to double check with you because I |\n| 23 | cannot read and cannot remember English names well. |\n| 24 | So just the name, you said Max.
If it's the name |\n| 25 | Max only I know Max.
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52 |\n| 1 | | it, I'm not sure. I don't know. |\n| 2 | Q | Do you know a Max with respect to Golden |\n| 3 | Spring? | |\n| 4 | A | Yes. I know. |\n| 5 | Q | And what is Max's role with Golden Spring? |\n| 6 | A | I don't know. |\n| 7 | Q | Well, how do you know Max? |\n| 8 | A | I don't remember. |\n| 9 | Q | Do you know more than one person by the name |\n| 10 | of Max? | |\n| 11 | A | For me English name is very complicated. |\n| 12 | | Like I can't remember the last name of my lawyer. If |\n| 13 | | you add something else to Max, I don't know. |\n| 14 | Q | Mr. Kwok, the name Max Krazner is listed as |\n| 15 | | the person to whom the mail for Golden Spring is |\n| 16 | directed to. | Do you know why that is? |\n| 17 | | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry? |\n| 18 | Q | Do you know why that is? |\n| 19 | A | I only remember there is a Max at Golden |\n| 20 | | Spring. I only know this one thing. |\n| 21 | Q | And what is Max's job at Golden Spring? |\n| 22 | A | I'm not sure what role.
I (indiscernible) |\n| 23 | | know he is in charge of finance, but I'm not sure. |\n| 24 | Q | What does he do for Golden Spring with |\n| 25 | | respect to finances? |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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I was not involved in the management so I |\n| 2 | don't know. |\n| 3 | Q
If Golden Spring gives you money, does it |\n| 4 | come through Max Krazner's efforts?
Does he help |\n| 5 | make that happen? |\n| 6 | A
I don't know.
He didn't give me money in |\n| 7 | person. |\n| 8 | Q
Mr. Kwok, when you get money from Golden |\n| 9 | Spring how do you get money?
Does it come in the |\n| 10 | form of cash or something else? |\n| 11 | A
From my son and (indiscernible). |\n| 12 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm sorry, Bin.
I didn't |\n| 13 | understand your translation.
Can you try that |\n| 14 | again? |\n| 15 | THE INTERPRETER:
He said from my son and |\n| 16 | (indiscernible). |\n| 17 | Q
My question was how do you get money from |\n| 18 | your son?
Does it come in the form of cash or some |\n| 19 | other form? |\n| 20 | A
I don't understand what you mean by how, the |\n| 21 | word how.
I never get money directly from them. |\n| 22 | Q
If you don't get money directly from your |\n| 23 | son, how do you get the money from your son?
Where |\n| 24 | does it go? |\n| 25 | A
I don't use cash and I don't use credit |\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n54\n\n| 1 | cards.
My son and (indiscernible)
Wan they just |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | pay my expenses for me.
It's impossible for me to |\n| 3 | get any cash from them. And also I don't have bank |\n| 4 | account.
Any bank accounts. |\n| 5 | Q
Mr. Kwok, do you have access to a credit |\n| 6 | card that was taken out by Golden Spring? |\n| 7 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I'm |\n| 8 | sorry.
I think there was a translation issue with |\n| 9 | the prior question.
Could you give us a minute to |\n| 10 | be sure that the witness understood the question |\n| 11 | correctly?
Hold on for one second.
We're going to |\n| 12 | put it on mute. |\n| 13 | (Pause.) |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA:
The witness would like to |\n| 15 | clarify. I think it came through, but we're not |\n| 16 | sure, that Golden Spring does not give him cash, but |\n| 17 | simply pays certain bills for his living expenses. |\n| 18 | If that's what came through the translation, great. |\n| 19 | If not, we clarify accordingly. |\n| 20 | Q
Mr. Kwok, do you have access to a credit |\n| 21 | card or a debit card provided to you by or through |\n| 22 | Golden Spring? |\n| 23 | A
No. |\n| 24 | Q
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No.
No need. |\n| 3 | MS. CLAIBORN:
At this time I'd like to open |\n| 4 | the meeting to creditors, given that we have a |\n| 5 | limited amount of time for today. I am not done with |\n| 6 | all my questions. |\n| 7 | We will need to reconvene on another day, |\n| 8 | but for purposes of today's examination I'm now |\n| 9 | going to open it up to creditors who may wish to |\n| 10 | examine. |\n| 11 | I would ask that you identify yourself when |\n| 12 | you speak and to be mindful of the need for |\n| 13 | interpretation. |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA:
Just to clarify one thing for |\n| 15 | the record.
You asked previously -- you referred to |\n| 16 | the petition and asked whether anyone lived at 162 |\n| 17 | East 64th Street. |\n| 18 | And as we told you informally when we filed |\n| 19 | the petition there was great concern over the |\n| 20 | debtor's physical security and so he used that |\n| 21 | address, but has since, obviously, corrected the |\n| 22 | record that he lives in the Greenwich house that you |\n| 23 | asked about earlier today. |\n| 24 | And so I just didn't want the record to be |\n| 25 | confusing in that regard.
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Are there any creditors who |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | wish to inquire or examine of the debtor? |\n| 3 | MR. HARBACH:
Yes.
This is David Harbach |\n| 4 | for PACS.
We do have some questions. We do have |\n| 5 | some questions.
We can start asking the questions |\n| 6 | now or if there are others who would like to ask |\n| 7 | questions that's fine.
However you want to proceed. |\n| 8 | But we obviously will not finish before 2 o'clock |\n| 9 | either. |\n| 10 | THE INTERPRETER:
I cannot hear you clearly. |\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach for PACS |\n| 12 | and I was just saying that we do have some questions |\n| 13 | and we are happy to proceed and ask them or if the |\n| 14 | trustee would like. we can proceed with others |\n| 15 | asking questions but we will certainly not finish |\n| 16 | before 2 o'clock either. |\n| 17 | MR. BALDIGA:
Could that be translated |\n| 18 | please? |\n| 19 | THE INTERPRETER:
I was saying I could not |\n| 20 | get him completely. |\n| 21 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach, do you have the |\n| 22 | ability to pick up a hand held and speak into a hand |\n| 23 | held device, as opposed to a speaker phone? |\n| 24 | MR. HARBACH:
Not at this moment, but let me |\n| 25 | move to see if this is any better.
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57 |\n| 1 | a little better now? |\n| 2 | THE INTERPRETER:
Not really.
No, sorry. |\n| 3 | MR. HARBACH:
Not really.
Well, I'll tell |\n| 4 | you what.
If you give me -- take a moment, I can |\n| 5 | try dialing in with a phone.
Just give me a second, |\n| 6 | okay? |\n| 7 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes. |\n| 8 | MR. BALDIGA:
Bin, could you translate the |\n| 9 | dialogue for Mr. Kwok, please, so he knows that. |\n| 10 | (Interpreter translates) |\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
Hello? |\n| 12 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Hello.
This is Holley |\n| 13 | Claiborn. |\n| 14 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach and I |\n| 15 | just wanted to know if you could hear me better. |\n| 16 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Much better.
Bin, can you |\n| 17 | hear Mr. Harbach? |\n| 18 | THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, I can hear him now. |\n| 19 | Thank you. |\n| 20 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Go ahead, Mr. Harbach. |\n| 21 | MR. HARBACH:
I'll repeat what I said once |\n| 22 | more so that the interpreter can interpret it. |\n| 23 | I'm David Harbach and I was just saying that |\n| 24 | PACS does have some questions we would like to ask, |\n| 25 | but we certainly will not finish by 2 o'clock and so |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n| 1 | if Ms. Claiborn would like to proceed with giving |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | other creditors an opportunity to ask questions |\n| 3 | today, it's entirely up to her or we can start now. |\n| 4 | MR. BALDIGA:
And this is Bill Baldiga. We |\n| 5 | extended our own translator until 2 o'clock so we |\n| 6 | certainly encourage whoever wants to ask questions |\n| 7 | to use the time. |\n| 8 | MR. WOLMAN:
This is Jay Wolman. I'm happy |\n| 9 | to ask some questions now. |\n| 10 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I didn't get your |\n| 11 | name. |\n| 12 | MR. WOLMAN: Jay Wolman, and I represent |\n| 13 | Logan Chang. |\n| 14 | EXAMINATION BY MR. WOLMAN: |\n| 15 | Q
Good afternoon, Mr. Kwok. |\n| 16 | Do you remember that I took your deposition |\n| 17 | about a year ago? |\n| 18 | A
I have too many -- |\n| 19 | THE INTERPRETER:
Someone's always talking |\n| 20 | in the background. |\n| 21 | A
I have too many depositions.
I don't |\n| 22 | remember specifically. |\n| 23 | Q
That's all right. I asked you a number of |\n| 24 | questions and you invoked your rights under the |\n| 25 | Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
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59 |\n| 1 | understand that? |\n| 2 | THE INTERPRETER:
You and your wife what? |\n| 3 | Sorry. |\n| 4 | Q
You invoked your right under the Fifth |\n| 5 | Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Do you remember |\n| 6 | that? |\n| 7 | MR. BALDIGA:
We have a translation issue. |\n| 8 | Hold on for one second, please. |\n| 9 | (Pause.) |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA:
I think -- our interpreter is |\n| 11 | hearing this translation.
The question as we |\n| 12 | understand is do you remember having invoked the |\n| 13 | Fifth Amendment privilege at a prior deposition. |\n| 14 | That's what we are hearing.
Could that be |\n| 15 | interpreter for Mr. Kwok in that way please? |\n| 16 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I can I hear the |\n| 17 | question again. |\n| 18 | MR. WOLMAN:
Sure. |\n| 19 | Q
Do you remember at a prior deposition |\n| 20 | invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. |\n| 21 | Constitution? |\n| 22 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I did not hear you |\n| 23 | clearly. |\n| 24 | Q
Do you remember at a prior deposition |\n| 25 | invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 60 1 Constitution? 2 THE INTERPRETER: At a prior what? Sorry. 3 MR. WOLMAN: Deposition. D-E-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-4 N. 5 THE INTERPRETER: Deposition. Sorry, just 6 one sec. 7 (Pause.) 8 THE INTERPRETER: Okay. In the prior 9 deposition what? 10 Q Do you remember invoking your Fifth 11 Amendment rights? 12 THE INTERPRETER: Invoking what? 13 MR. WOLMAN: Can everybody else hear me or 14 is it just the interpreter? 15 MS. CLAIBORN: This is Holley. I can hear 16 you. 17 MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach. We can 18 hear you fine. 19 MR. BALDIGA: The debtor can hear you. It's 20 not a volume issue. 21 MR. WOLMAN: Is it a diction issue? I can 22 try to -- Case 22-50073 Doc 404-7 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 61 of 83\n\n23 THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter just 24 didn't get the word. (Indiscernible) rewording. 25 MR. WOLMAN: I cannot reword that. I need\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 62 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
61 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | you to hear the words in English and translate them, |\n| 2 | ma'am. |\n| 3 | THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
Could you please |\n| 4 | speak slowly? |\n| 5 | Q
Do you remember at a prior deposition |\n| 6 | invoking your rights under the Fifth, number five |\n| 7 | that is -- Fifth Amendment, ordinal number -- of the |\n| 8 | U.S. Constitution? |\n| 9 | THE INTERPRETER:
Invoke or evoke? |\n| 10 | MR. WOLMAN:
Invoke, I-N-V-O-K-E. |\n| 11 | Okay, we still have an issue. |\n| 12 | UNIDENTIFIED:
Hold on. |\n| 13 | UNIDENTIFIED:
Did someone just drop out? |\n| 14 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, are you there?
This is |\n| 15 | Holley. |\n| 16 | MR. WOLMAN:
Bin? |\n| 17 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, are you there? |\n| 18 | THE INTERPRETER:
Hello. |\n| 19 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, this is Holley Claiborn. |\n| 20 | THE INTERPRETER:
Okay. I'm back. |\n| 21 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay. |\n| 22 | THE INTERPRETER:
I don't know what |\n| 23 | happened. |\n| 24 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Go ahead. |\n| 25 | MR. BALDIGA:
Is the interpreter -- we're |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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62 |\n| 1 | not sure what's going on.
Is the interpreter with |\n| 2 | us or not? |\n| 3 | THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, the interpreter is |\n| 4 | here now. |\n| 5 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
Thank you. |\n| 6 | My client just said something and I don't |\n| 7 | know what he said and I don't know whether you were |\n| 8 | on for what he said.
If you were, I'd like to know |\n| 9 | -- I'd like you to interpret it.
If not, could you |\n| 10 | let us confer for a second so we could try to figure |\n| 11 | that out, because there was a lot of confusion. |\n| 12 | MR. WOLMAN:
Bill, can you just ask your |\n| 13 | client to repeat what he just said? |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA:
No -- |\n| 15 | THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter would like |\n| 16 | him to repeat what he said because just now all of a |\n| 17 | sudden I'm not (indiscernible)
all the voices |\n| 18 | sometimes. |\n| 19 | I'm asking the gentleman to repeat what he |\n| 20 | said just now. |\n| 21 | MR. KWOK: Just now in your question you |\n| 22 | mentioned that -- you asked me whether my wife used |\n| 23 | something under the law or under the Constitution. |\n| 24 | I don't remember that. |\n| 25 | MR. WOLMAN: I said nothing about his wife. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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63 |\n| 1 | MR. KWOK:
So did you say just now my wife |\n| 2 | use any kind of law or what? |\n| 3 | MR. WOLMAN:
No, that was nothing of the |\n| 4 | sort. |\n| 5 | MR. BALDIGA:
Could I suggest, Mr. Wolman, |\n| 6 | maybe you could just go right to whatever you want |\n| 7 | to ask him instead of what happened a year ago |\n| 8 | because this is not getting anywhere. |\n| 9 | MR. WOLMAN:
Well, I'm going to re-ask him |\n| 10 | every question relative to finances where he invoked |\n| 11 | the Fifth and I wanted to make sure he had that in |\n| 12 | his mind as he answers here today. |\n| 13 | MR. BALDIGA:
Is there a question? |\n| 14 | MR. WOLMAN:
I want to make sure you're |\n| 15 | aware of what I'm about to do. |\n| 16 | At this point, I have no idea, but I am |\n| 17 | representing to you that is exactly what I'm doing. |\n| 18 | So I want to make sure your client is appropriately |\n| 19 | advised. |\n| 20 | BY MR. WOLMAN: |\n| 21 | Q
So a year ago -- this is a lengthy one, Bin, |\n| 22 | so please just write it down, or do what you need to |\n| 23 | do. Let me finish and then translate.
Do not do |\n| 24 | that piecemeal. |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
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64 |\n| 1 | MR. BALDIGA:
I -- |\n| 2 | MR. WOLMAN:
Hold on. I want the translation |\n| 3 | of that and we'll take this in small pieces.
So |\n| 4 | Bin, please translate that for the witness because |\n| 5 | he has to hear everything. |\n| 6 | (Translation.) |\n| 7 | THE INTERPRETER:
Yes. |\n| 8 | MR. WOLMAN:
Thank you. |\n| 9 | BY MR. WOLMAN: |\n| 10 | Q
A year ago I asked you are you employed. |\n| 11 | You answered I have always been -- |\n| 12 | THE INTERPRETER:
I asked you what? Sorry. |\n| 13 | Q
Are you employed? |\n| 14 | There's a lot of background noise.
Can we |\n| 15 | knock that off, please. |\n| 16 | A year ago I asked you are you employed? |\n| 17 | THE INTERPRETER:
You employed? |\n| 18 | Q
A year ago I asked you are you employed? |\n| 19 | Your answer was I have always been a consultant for |\n| 20 | -- |\n| 21 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry.
A year ago I asked |\n| 22 | you are you employed?
The answer is what? |\n| 23 | Q
I have always been the consultant for a lot |\n| 24 | of companies -- |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
I'm sorry -- |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n65\n\n| 1 | Q
And my current employment is the -- I am in |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | the broadcasting and to take down the Chinese |\n| 3 | Communist Party.
It is a broadcasting revolution. I |\n| 4 | then asked you how much do you get paid for that. |\n| 5 | I'm re-asking that question now.
How much |\n| 6 | do you get paid for that? |\n| 7 | THE INTERPRETER:
So I have to do it from |\n| 8 | the beginning because I didn't get the words when |\n| 9 | you say a year ago I asked you whether -- are you |\n| 10 | employed?
Your answer is I didn't get the word |\n| 11 | after is. |\n| 12 | Q
Your answer was I always been the consultant |\n| 13 | for a lot of companies and my current employment is |\n| 14 | the -- he paused.
I am in the broadcasting -- |\n| 15 | THE INTERPRETER:
Is what?
Sorry? |\n| 16 | Q
-- and to take down -- |\n| 17 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry. |\n| 18 | Q
I am in the broadcasting and to take down |\n| 19 | the Chinese Communist Party.
It is a broadcasting |\n| 20 | revolution.
I then asked you how much do you get -- |\n| 21 | THE INTERPRETER:
Excuse me. I'm not able to |\n| 22 | -- |\n| 23 | MR. WOLMAN:
Excuse me. I'm not done.
Why |\n| 24 | not? |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
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66 |\n| 1 | MR. WOLMAN:
Why not? |\n| 2 | THE INTERPRETER:
-- the words that I didn't |\n| 3 | get.
Yes, I know it's simple but it's too long.
I |\n| 4 | (indiscernible)
such a long time to do the |\n| 5 | interpretation. I'm highly concentrating. I have a |\n| 6 | human brain. |\n| 7 | MR. WOLMAN:
I'm used to translators writing |\n| 8 | things down as they go. |\n| 9 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry about that. |\n| 10 | Let me interpret what I got and then I will |\n| 11 | ask you the rest.
Is that okay? |\n| 12 | MR. WOLMAN:
Yes. |\n| 13 | THE INTERPRETER:
Okay. |\n| 14 | (Translation) |\n| 15 | THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
I -- |\n| 16 | Q
I then asked you how much do you get paid |\n| 17 | for that and I am asking you now again, because you |\n| 18 | invoked the Fifth, how much do you get paid for |\n| 19 | that? |\n| 20 | (Pause.) |\n| 21 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay. The witness is |\n| 22 | struggling to -- well, is the question are you |\n| 23 | getting paid for that?
And you can answer that. |\n| 24 | MR. WOLMAN:
No.
I am literally asking him |\n| 25 | how much do you get paid for that. He took the |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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67 |\n| 1 | Fifth. I'm asking it now again. |\n| 2 | Q
How much do you get paid for that? |\n| 3 | A
No money at all. |\n| 4 | Q
A year ago I asked you what is Golden Spring |\n| 5 | New York.
You answered it's a company. I then asked |\n| 6 | you and what is your -- I then asked you and what is |\n| 7 | your relationship to that company and so I'm asking |\n| 8 | that question again.
What is your relationship to |\n| 9 | that company? |\n| 10 | A
I don't know what you mean by relationship. |\n| 11 | Q
If you didn't know what I meant by that |\n| 12 | question, why did you invoke the Fifth last year? |\n| 13 | MR. BALDIGA:
Objection.
I'm not going to |\n| 14 | allow the witness to describe the legal advice a |\n| 15 | year ago as to the Fifth Amendment. |\n| 16 | He is prepared to answer whatever questions |\n| 17 | you may have. You are confusing the witness a bit by |\n| 18 | in each question having three things, some reference |\n| 19 | to the Fifth Amendment, some conversation from a |\n| 20 | year ago and a question as to now. |\n| 21 | But if you were to ask a more simple |\n| 22 | question, I think this would go much more |\n| 23 | productively.
That's your choice. |\n| 24 | MR. WOLMAN:
No.
Your client is an |\n| 25 | intelligent person who is a big businessman, who is |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 69 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n| | | | | |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n68\n\n| 1 | a sophisticated person. I trust he can handle these |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2 | simple questions. |\n| 3 | MR. BALDIGA:
Proceed as you'd like. |\n| 4 | (Translation interrupted) |\n| 5 | Q
Last year I asked you -- |\n| 6 | MR. BALDIGA:
Wait.
Hold on.
Mr. Wolman, |\n| 7 | there's a translation that needs to be done.
Please |\n| 8 | hold on.
The witness needs to understand what's |\n| 9 | being said. |\n| 10 | (Translation) |\n| 11 | THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
Go ahead. |\n| 12 | Q
What is your relationship to Golden Spring? |\n| 13 | A
I don't understand what you mean by your |\n| 14 | question?
I don't know how to answer your question. |\n| 15 | Q
Do you know what the word relationship |\n| 16 | means? |\n| 17 | A
Relationship means love of things in China. |\n| 18 | It could be between husband and wife. It could be |\n| 19 | between a government relationship, a financial |\n| 20 | relationship, money and it could be a lot of things. |\n| 21 | So I don't know which one you mean?
Is it a |\n| 22 | man/woman relationship or a money relationship or |\n| 23 | what? |\n| 24 | Q
Any relationship?
What is it? What is your |\n| 25 | (indiscernible)
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69 |\n| 1 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
What was your last |\n| 2 | sentence again, because there was talking. |\n| 3 | Q
Any relationship, what is yours to Golden |\n| 4 | Spring? |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER:
Let me do the |\n| 6 | interpretation first. |\n| 7 | A
Now the relationship is between -- is he |\n| 8 | lends me money. I owe money to him.
He helps me. |\n| 9 | Q
And why does he do this? |\n| 10 | A
Because I was once a member of the Guo (ph) |\n| 11 | family. |\n| 12 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
Could |\n| 13 | you please repeat that English answer? |\n| 14 | THE INTERPRETER:
Because I was once a |\n| 15 | member of Guo family. |\n| 16 | Q
Does Golden Spring pay the expenses of any |\n| 17 | other member of the Guo family? |\n| 18 | A
Yes. |\n| 19 | Q
Which other members of the Guo family? |\n| 20 | A
I don't know. |\n| 21 | Q
A year ago I asked you why does Golden |\n| 22 | Spring pay Mr. Podhaskie, P-O-D-H-A-S-K-I-E, for |\n| 23 | services rendered to you in your individual |\n| 24 | capacity. I'm asking that again now.
Why does |\n| 25 | Golden Spring pay Mr. Podhaskie for services |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 71 of\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
70 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | rendered to you in your individual capacity? |\n| 2 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I |\n| 3 | understand that Mr. Podhaskie may be a lawyer. I |\n| 4 | just need to confer with the client to make sure he |\n| 5 | doesn't disclose the substance of legal advice. I'll |\n| 6 | take one second to do that. |\n| 7 | MR. WOLMAN:
The question didn't indicate |\n| 8 | any answer of that sort. |\n| 9 | (Pause.) |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry. The witness could |\n| 11 | answer the question. |\n| 12 | MR. KWOK:
I don't know. |\n| 13 | Q
Have you ever asked anyone why they pay for |\n| 14 | him to advise you? |\n| 15 | A
I don't remember. |\n| 16 | Q
I asked you last year why did Golden Spring |\n| 17 | New York pay that judgment on your behalf, and I was |\n| 18 | referring to the one my client, Mr. Cheng, held |\n| 19 | against you. |\n| 20 | I'm asking you again why did Golden Spring |\n| 21 | New York pay that judgment on your behalf? |\n| 22 | A
It was money lended. |\n| 23 | Q
Why did Golden Spring loan you that money? |\n| 24 | A
I don't have any thing so I borrowed from |\n| 25 | them. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22
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71 |\n| 1 | Q | Where did Golden Spring get the money from? |\n| 2 | A | I don't know. |\n| 3 | Q | Where does Golden Spring get any money from? |\n| 4 | A | I don't know. |\n| 5 | Q | Your son owns Golden Spring, correct? |\n| 6 | A | Yes. |\n| 7 | Q | Does your son owe you any money? |\n| 8 | A | No. |\n| 9 | Q | How did your son get the money that funds |\n| 10 | Golden Spring? | |\n| 11 | A | I don't know. |\n| 12 | Q | Did you ever provide your son with any seed |\n| 13 | capital? | |\n| 14 | A | No. |\n| 15 | Q | Have you ever invested in any of your son's |\n| 16 | businesses? | |\n| 17 | A | No. |\n| 18 | Q | When did Connecticut become your residence? |\n| 19 | A | End of February or early March of 2020. |\n| 20 | Q | Okay.
And you're sure about that here? |\n| 21 | A | Yes. |\n| 22 | Q | And was that your primary residence since |\n| 23 | | February, 2020 or March, 2020? |\n| 24 | A | Yes. |\n| 25 | Q | A year ago I asked you if you owned any |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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72 |\n| 1 | interest in Golden Spring New York. I am asking you |\n| 2 | that again.
Do you own any interest in Golden |\n| 3 | Spring New York? |\n| 4 | A
No. |\n| 5 | Q
A year ago I asked you are you an officer of |\n| 6 | Golden Spring New York Limited. I'm asking you |\n| 7 | again.
Are you an officer of Golden Spring New York |\n| 8 | Limited? |\n| 9 | A
No. |\n| 10 | Q
A year ago I asked you why would Golden |\n| 11 | Spring pay Attorney Aaron, meaning Aaron Mitchell, |\n| 12 | on your behalf. |\n| 13 | I'm asking you again, why would Golden |\n| 14 | Spring pay Attorney Aaron Mitchell on your behalf? |\n| 15 | THE INTERPRETER:
He wants me to repeat the |\n| 16 | interpretation.
I'll do that for him. |\n| 17 | A
A loan.
A loan or borrowed money. |\n| 18 | Q
Why did they make you that loan? |\n| 19 | A
I have been borrowing from them all the time |\n| 20 | because I was a member of the family. |\n| 21 | Q
Did you ever have any of your loans from |\n| 22 | Golden Spring put in writing? |\n| 23 | A
Some have, some no. |\n| 24 | Q
Okay.
Which ones have been put in writing? |\n| 25 | A
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83 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 74 of |\n|---------------|---------------------|----------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|------------|\n| | | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 | | 73 |\n| 1 | Q | | How many loans have you had from Golden | |\n| 2 | Spring? | | | |\n| 3 | A | I don't remember. | | |\n| 4 | Q | | Were any of the loans that were put in | |\n| 5 | writing in English? | | | |\n| 6 | A | I don't remember. | | |\n| 7 | Q | | Were any of them in Chinese? | |\n| 8 | A | I don't remember. | | |\n| 9 | Q | | Did you ever pledge any security interest in | |\n| 10 | | exchange for any of these loans? | | |\n| 11 | A | (Indiscernible) | but I don't remember | |\n| 12 | (indiscernible). | | | |\n| 13 | | MR. BALDIGA: | Could you please repeat the | |\n| 14 | answer in English? | | | |\n| 15 | | THE INTERPRETER: | He said (indiscernible) | |\n| 16 | | yes, but I don't remember. | | |\n| 17 | Q | | If you don't remember how much -- if you | |\n| 18 | | | don't remember how many loans you took out, how are | |\n| 19 | | | you able to identify how much they -- you owe them | |\n| 20 | | on your bankruptcy schedules? | | |\n| 21 | A | I didn't quite get you. | | |\n| 22 | Q | | If you don't know how many times you took | |\n| 23 | | | out loans from Golden Spring, not all of which were | |\n| 24 | | | in writing, how do you know how much you owe them? | |\n| 25 | A | | My lawyer and the lawyer of Golden Spring | |\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 75 of\n\n83\n\n| 74 | |\n|----|--|\n| | |\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
74 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | they communicate with each other.
Tells me the |\n| 2 | amount they can define is 21 million. |\n| 3 | Q
So Golden Spring's lawyers helped prepare |\n| 4 | your bankruptcy petition?
Is that correct? |\n| 5 | MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry to interrupt. |\n| 6 | (Indiscernible)
two things. |\n| 7 | A
No. |\n| 8 | Q
So how did the information get from Golden |\n| 9 | Spring to your bankruptcy petition? |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA:
Objection to the question. |\n| 11 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry? |\n| 12 | MR. BALDIGA:
I object to the question. |\n| 13 | MR. WOLMAN: I'm just trying to figure out |\n| 14 | how this information he doesn't know wound up in his |\n| 15 | bankruptcy petition? |\n| 16 | MR. BALDIGA:
I think you heard the answer |\n| 17 | that his lawyer and Golden Spring's lawyer discussed |\n| 18 | it.
Do you have another question? |\n| 19 | Q
Yes.
How did you know that number was |\n| 20 | right? |\n| 21 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
Let the interpreter go |\n| 22 | first and then ask another question, please. |\n| 23 | THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
Go ahead. |\n| 24 | Q
How did you know that number was right? |\n| 25 | THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
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The number that was put into your bankruptcy |\n| 2 | petition for what you purportedly owe to Golden |\n| 3 | Spring, how did you know that was right? |\n| 4 | A
I believe the professionalism of my lawyers. |\n| 5 | They will review and check all the figures. |\n| 6 | MS. CLAIBORN:
This is Holley -- |\n| 7 | Q
Do you know the documents that were |\n| 8 | reviewed? |\n| 9 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I apologize for interrupting. |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA:
It's now 2 o'clock. |\n| 11 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I apologize for interrupting. |\n| 12 | It's Holley Claiborn. |\n| 13 | MR. WOLMAN:
Yes, thank you for |\n| 14 | filibustering to use up the time.
Appreciate it. |\n| 15 | MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry. Who was that |\n| 16 | addressed to?
That's quite an inappropriate |\n| 17 | comment. |\n| 18 | MR. WOLMAN:
You. That was me addressing |\n| 19 | that to you. |\n| 20 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I'd like to talk about -- |\n| 21 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay -- |\n| 22 | MS. CLAIBORN:
-- the next date.
I was |\n| 23 | going to suggest that we reconvene April 4th at |\n| 24 | 10:00 a.m. in person at the U.S. Trustee's Office in |\n| 25 | New Haven. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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76 |\n| 1 | Mr. BALDIGA:
We'll look at schedules. I can |\n| 2 | start to do that if you give me a second. |\n| 3 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, could you please |\n| 4 | translate that? |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER:
I will double check with |\n| 6 | you whether you still need me on the line for a |\n| 7 | second or you want me to log off? |\n| 8 | MS. CLAIBORN:
If you can continue on just |\n| 9 | for a second.
We need to pick a new date, so I need |\n| 10 | you to translate that so the debtor understands. |\n| 11 | THE INTERPRETER:
Okay. |\n| 12 | MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry.
Was the request -- |\n| 13 | I'm sorry.
Was the request -- I'm just trying to |\n| 14 | make sure I heard it -- April 4 at 10 o'clock in |\n| 15 | Bridgeport? |\n| 16 | MS. CLAIBORN:
April 4, 10 o'clock in New |\n| 17 | Haven at the U.S. Trustee's Office. |\n| 18 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
We'll be back to you |\n| 19 | very quick on that. |\n| 20 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I actually need an answer on |\n| 21 | that right now because we need to be able to notify |\n| 22 | creditors and I want everyone to know before we |\n| 23 | conclude today. |\n| 24 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay. I'll put you on hold. |\n| 25 | MR. HARBACH:
Ms. Claiborn, this is David |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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77 |\n| 1 | Harbach.
I'm afraid that that day will not work for |\n| 2 | us? |\n| 3 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach, is that you? |\n| 4 | MR. HARBACH:
Yes, ma'am.
And I was just |\n| 5 | about to say that I can do Wednesday, the 6th, or |\n| 6 | any day after that.
But I cannot do the 4th or the |\n| 7 | 5th. |\n| 8 | MS. CLAIBORN:
How about Friday, April 8th? |\n| 9 | MR. HARBACH:
I can do that.
This is David. |\n| 10 | I can do that. |\n| 11 | MR. WOLMAN:
This is Jay Wolman.
I can do |\n| 12 | that. |\n| 13 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Attorney Baldiga, can you |\n| 14 | check on April 8th, please? |\n| 15 | (Pause.) |\n| 16 | MR. HARBACH:
Holley, this is Dave Harbach |\n| 17 | again.
Just anticipating that they're coming back |\n| 18 | (indiscernible).
I could also do it (indiscernible) |\n| 19 | for whatever it's worth.
I could also do it on the |\n| 20 | 28th, 29 or 30 of March as well, if that's better. |\n| 21 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
The 7th |\n| 22 | and 8th are Buddhist holidays so for religious |\n| 23 | reasons Mr. Kwok can't do it those days.
We'll |\n| 24 | clear the 4th. I'm sure there are some |\n| 25 | (indiscernible). I'm wondering who could make it. |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7 | Filed 05/20/22 | Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 | Page 79 of |\n|---------------|-----------|----------------|---------------------------|------------|\n| | | | | |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022
78 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | MS. CLAIBORN:
How about March 28th, next |\n| 2 | Monday? |\n| 3 | MR. HARBACH:
Holley, I didn't get the |\n| 4 | second part of what you said about the 28th. |\n| 5 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I only offered the 28th as a |\n| 6 | new date. |\n| 7 | MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
28, 29 |\n| 8 | and 30 Mr. Kwok has a medical issue that he |\n| 9 | (indiscernible)
during those days. |\n| 10 | MS. CLAIBORN:
How about Friday, April 15th? |\n| 11 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
That's |\n| 12 | good by us. |\n| 13 | MR. BALDIGA:
It's Good Friday.
Good Friday |\n| 14 | for me and Passover for many. |\n| 15 | Can I suggest (indiscernible)? |\n| 16 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I didn't hear your |\n| 17 | suggestion. I'm sorry. |\n| 18 | MR. BALDIGA:
I respectfully ask that we go |\n| 19 | back to April 4.
One lawyer among a dozen and one |\n| 20 | creditor should not -- |\n| 21 | MR. WOLMAN:
This is Jay Wolman. I already |\n| 22 | have something for that day as well. |\n| 23 | MR. BALDIGA:
I know, but there are |\n| 24 | (indiscernible)
-- |\n| 25 | MR. WOLMAN:
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79 | | | |\n| 1 | who is in the middle of questioning. | | | |\n| 2 | MR. BALDIGA:
All right. We'll keep looking | | | |\n| 3 | then. | | | |\n| 4 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Does April 6th work? | | | |\n| 5 | MR. WOLMAN:
What was that date? | | | |\n| 6 | MS. CLAIBORN:
April 6th? | | | |\n| 7 | MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach. I can | | | |\n| 8 | do April 6th. | | | |\n| 9 | MR. BALDIGA:
The debtor can as well. | | | |\n| 10 | UNIDENTIFIED:
As can I. | | | |\n| 11 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay. I'm going to mark April | | | |\n| 12 | 6th 10:00 a.m.
It's in person.
The U.S. Trustee's | | | |\n| 13 | Office in New Haven. | | | |\n| 14 | Please allow for time to go through | | | |\n| 15 | security. I'd like to start at 10:00. | | | |\n| 16 | MR. BALDIGA:
Could I ask how much time | | | |\n| 17 | would you reserve on that day, including with the | | | |\n| 18 | interpreter, just so we can plan? | | | |\n| 19 | MS. CLAIBORN:
I think you should plan for | | | |\n| 20 | the whole day but I will have to follow up and get | | | |\n| 21 | an understanding about an interpreter and I don't | | | |\n| 22 | have that at my fingertips right now. | | | |\n| 23 | MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
Would that be 5 | | | |\n| 24 | o'clock? | | | |\n| 25 | I guess we can go off the record as we | | | |\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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80 |\n| 1 | finish this.
It's up to you, obviously. |\n| 2 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay.
I think we're |\n| 3 | concluded for purposes of Bin's translation services |\n| 4 | for today. |\n| 5 | THE INTERPRETER:
Thank you. |\n| 6 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you very much, Bin. |\n| 7 | THE INTERPRETER:
Have a nice day. |\n| 8 | MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you. |\n| 9 | I'm going to stop the recording, but we can |\n| 10 | stay on the line.
I'm going to stop the recording. |\n| 11 | Thank you. |\n| 12 | (Meeting adjourned.) |\n| 13 | |\n| 14 | |\n| 15 | |\n| 16 | |\n| 17 | |\n| 18 | |\n| 19 | |\n| 20 | |\n| 21 | |\n| 22 | |\n| 23 | |\n| 24 | |\n\n Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n1 I, CHRISTINE FIORE, court-approved transcriber and 2 certified electronic reporter and transcriber, 3 certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript 4 from the official electronic sound recording of the 5 proceedings in the above-entitled matter. 6\n\n8 April 5, 2022\n\n81\n\n9 Christine Fiore, CERT\n\n10 Transcriber\n\n7\n\n11\n\n12\n\n13\n\n14\n\n15\n\n16\n\n17\n\n18\n\n19\n\n20\n\n21\n\n22\n\n23\n\n24\n\n| Case 22-50073 | Doc 404-7
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83 | Page 83 of |\n|---------------|----------------------------------------------------------------|------------|\n| | Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 | 82 |\n| 1 | INDEX | |\n| 2 | | |\n| 3 | HO WAN KWOK | Page |\n| 4 | Examination by Ms. Claiborn | 14 |\n| 5 | Examination by Mr. Wolman | 58 |\n| 6 | | |\n| 7 | | |\n| 8 | | |\n| 9 | | |\n| 10 | | |\n| 11 | | |\n| 12 | | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 16 | | |\n| 17 | | |\n| 18 | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| 21 | | |\n| 22 | | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | | |\n| 25 | | |","body_zh":"证物 PAX 07\n\n债权人第341次会议记录（第一部分）\n\nUNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT（美国破产法院） DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT（康涅狄格区）\n\n关于 ＊ 第11章 ＊\n＊ HO WAN KWOK（郭文贵）， ＊ 案号 22-50073(JAM)\n＊ 债务人。 ＊\n＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊ ＊\n\n电话债权人第341次会议记录\n\n2022年3月21日\n\n由 United States Trustee（美国受托人）办公室电子录音\n\n记录整理人：Christine Fiore（克里斯廷·菲奥雷），CERT\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.（菲奥雷记录与转录服务公司）\n4 Research Drive, Suite 402\nShelton, CT 06484\n(203)929-9992\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n出庭人员：\n\n代表债务人： WILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ.（威廉·R·鲍尔迪加律师）\nBEN SILVERBERG, ESQ.（本·西尔弗伯格律师）\nURI PINELO, ESQ.（乌里·皮内洛律师）\nBrown Rudnick, LLP（布朗·拉德尼克律师事务所）\nSeven Times Square\nNew York, NY\n\n代表 U.S. Trustee（美国受托人）： HOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ.（霍莉·E·克莱伯恩律师）\nOffice of the U.S. Trustee（美国受托人办公室）\n150 State Street\nNew Haven, CT\n\n代表 Logan Cheng（郑洛根），\n债权人： JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ.（杰伊·马歇尔·沃尔曼律师）\nRandazza Legal Group（兰达扎法律集团）\n100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor\nHartford, CT 06103\n\n代表 Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund, LP（太平洋联盟亚洲机会基金，LP），债权人： DAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ.（大卫·V·哈巴赫二世律师）\nO'Melveny & Myers, LLP（奥麦文尼与迈尔斯律师事务所）\n1625 I Street NW\nWashington, DC\n\nSTUART SARNOFF, ESQ.（斯图尔特·萨诺夫律师）\nLAURA ARONSSON, ESQ.（劳拉·阿伦松律师）\nCRAIG McALLISTER, ESQ.（克雷格·麦卡利斯特律师）\nMAKENZIE RUSSO（麦肯齐·鲁索）\nSTEVEN WARREN（史蒂文·沃伦）\nO'Melveny & Myers, LLP（奥麦文尼与迈尔斯律师事务所）\nTimes Square Tower\n7 Times Square\nNew York, NY\n\n代表 Bruno Wu（吴斌）、Weican Meng（孟伟灿）及 Rui Ma（马睿），\n债权人： KAREN WARSHAUER（凯伦·沃肖尔）\nMcElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter（麦克尔罗伊、多伊奇、马尔瓦尼与卡彭特律师事务所）\nOne State Street\nHartford, CT\n\n代表 Xiaodan Wang（王晓丹）、Rong Zhang（张荣）及 Chong Shen Raphanella（钟沈·拉法内拉），\n债权人： LILLIAN GRINNELL, ESQ.（莉莲·格林内尔律师）\nWolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz（沃尔夫·哈尔登斯坦·阿德勒·弗里曼与赫茨律师事务所）\n270 Madison Avenue\nNew York, NY\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n出庭人员：（续）代表 Samuel Nunberg（塞缪尔·农伯格）， AMY ZAMIR, ESQ.（艾米·扎米尔律师）\n债权人： Nesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP（内塞诺夫与米尔滕伯格律师事务所）\n363 Seventh Avenue\nNew York, NY 10001\n\n代表 Sherry Netherland（谢里·内瑟兰）， EMILY KUZNICK, ESQ.（艾米莉·库兹尼克律师）\n债权人： Stroock, Stroock and Lavan（斯特鲁克、斯特鲁克与拉文律师事务所）\n180 Maiden Lane\nNew York, NY 10038\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 克莱伯恩女士：\n我将从头重复一遍，\n\n2 因为我想确保所有内容均载入记录，对此我表示歉意。\n\n3 \n\n4 我基本上将重新开始本次会议，\n\n5 我们会很快进行，\n\n6 然后再回到我刚才即将\n\n7 进行的部分。\n\n8 今天是2022年3月21日，星期一，我们\n\n9 就 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）的第11章案件举行\n\n10 第341条会议；其亦称 Wengui Gwo（郭文贵）\n\n11 及 Miles Kwok（郭文贵）。\n\n12 我叫 Holley Claiborn（霍莉·克莱伯恩），是\n\n13 United States Trustee（美国受托人）办公室的一名出庭\n\n14 律师，我将主持今天的会议。\n\n15 我正在录音本次会议，此外，\n\n16 电话线上还有一名口译员，\n\n17 其名为 Bin（宾），B-I-N。\n\n18 为使此事载入记录，我将\n\n19 第三次询问 Bin 关于其宣誓的情况。\n\n20 （口译员宣誓。）\n\n21 为加快记录进程，今天出庭的有 Jay Wolman（杰伊·沃尔曼），\n\n22 代表 Logan Cheng（郑洛根）。\n\n23 另有\n\n24 David Harbach（大卫·哈巴赫）、Stuart Sarnoff（斯图尔特·萨诺夫）、Mia Gonzalez（米娅·冈萨雷斯）、Laura\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 Aronsson（劳拉·阿伦松）、Craig McAllister（克雷格·麦卡利斯特）及 Mackenzie Russo（麦肯齐·鲁索），均\n\n2 代表 Pacific Alliance（太平洋联盟）。对于债权人\n\n3 Rui Ma（马睿）、Bruno Wu（吴斌）及 Weican Meng（孟伟灿），有 Karen\n\n4 Warshauer（凯伦·沃肖尔），其为 McElroy（麦克尔罗伊）的律师助理。\n\n5 口译员：\n抱歉，我无法一次记下\n\n6 所有这些姓名。\n\n7 克莱伯恩女士：\nBin，你是否翻译了 Pacific Alliance（太平洋联盟）的所有\n\n8 姓名？\n\n9 口译员：\n这些姓名实际上只是\n\n10 对发音的重复。没有翻译。\n\n11 克莱伯恩女士：\n谢谢。请问\n\n12 哪位没有将电话静音，能否请您\n\n13 将其静音？谢谢。\n\n14 好的。其他出庭人员中，Karen\n\n15 Warshauer（凯伦·沃肖尔）来自 McElroy（麦克尔罗伊），其代表 Bruno\n\n16 Wu（吴斌）、Weican Meng（孟伟灿）及 Rui Ma（马睿）。\n\n17 在我回到债务人之前，\n\n18 线上是否还有其他由律师代理的债权人，\n\n19 希望将其出庭情况载入记录？\n\n20 格林内尔女士：\n您好——\n\n21 克莱伯恩女士：\n请等待\n\n22 翻译。\n\n23 格林内尔女士：\n（听不清）我来自\n\n24 Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz（沃尔夫·哈尔登斯坦·阿德勒·弗里曼与赫茨律师事务所），我们代表——\n\n25 \n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 口译员：\n抱歉。口译员\n\n2 无法清楚听到您说话。\n\n3 格林内尔女士：\n抱歉。我的连接\n\n4 一直有些不稳定。现在能听到我吗？\n\n5 口译员：能。\n\n6 格林内尔女士：\n好的。我将重复\n\n7 我刚才所说的话。\n\n8 我叫 Lillian Grinnell（莉莲·格林内尔）。我是\n\n9 Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz（沃尔夫·哈尔登斯坦·阿德勒·弗里曼与赫茨律师事务所）的一名\n\n10 律师，我们代表债权人 Rong Zhang（张荣）、Xiaodan\n\n11 Wang（王晓丹）及 Chong Sheen Raphanella（钟申·拉法内拉）。\n\n12 口译员：\n您所读出的姓名，\n\n13 我没有记下。\n\n14 格林内尔女士：\n我来拼写。\n\n15 我先从债权人的姓名开始。这些\n\n16 债权人的姓名是 Rong Zhang（张荣），其——\n\n17 名字是 Rong，R-O-N-G，Z-H-A-N-G。\n\n18 第二名债权人的姓名是 Xiaodan\n\n19 Wang（王晓丹）。其名字拼写为 X-I-A-O-D-A-N。\n\n20 其姓氏拼写为 W-A-N-G。\n\n21 然后是第三名债权人 Chong Shen\n\n22 Raphanella（钟沈·拉法内拉）。其名字为 C-H-O-N-G。然后\n\n23 第二个名字为 S-H-E-N。第三个名字\n\n24 为 R-A-P-H-A-N-E-L-L-A。\n\n25 口译员：\n我只记下了 Chong Shen\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 以及 R-A-P-H-A-L。\n\n2 格林内尔女士：\n抱歉。您是要求\n\n3 我再次拼写第三个名字吗？\n\n4 （无回应。）\n\n5 抱歉？我很抱歉。我的连接\n\n6 很差。您是否需要我再次拼写任何一个姓名？\n\n7 \n\n8 口译员：\n我想我没问题。我已经\n\n9 向 Kwok 先生重复过了。\n\n10 格林内尔女士：\n好的。\n\n11 克莱伯恩女士：\n线上是否还有其他\n\n12 债权人或当事人？\n\n13 扎米尔女士：\n我是 Amy Zamir（艾米·扎米尔），来自\n\n14 Nessenoff & Miltenberg（内塞诺夫与米尔滕伯格）。我来拼写。我\n\n15 的姓氏是 Zamir，Z-A-M-I-R。Nessenoff 是 N-E-S-S-E-N-\n\n16 O-F-F，而 Miltenberg 是 M-I-L-T-E-N-B-E-R-G。我们\n\n17 代表债权人 Sam Nunberg（萨姆·农伯格），N-U-N-B-E-R-G。\n\n18 克莱伯恩女士：\n是否还有其他人\n\n19 希望将其出庭情况载入记录。\n\n20 库兹尼克女士：\n是的。我是 Emily Kuznick（艾米莉·库兹尼克），\n\n21 E-M-I-L-Y，然后 Kuznick，K-U-Z-N-I-C-K，来自\n\n22 Stroock, Stroock and Lavan（斯特鲁克、斯特鲁克与拉文），即 S-T-R-O-O-C-K，\n\n23 以及 Stroock，而 Lavan 是 L-A-V-A-N。我们\n\n24 代表 Sherry Netherland（谢里·内瑟兰）。而 Sherry\n\n25 Netherland 的拼写为 S-H-E-R-R-Y，然后 Netherland，N-\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 E-T-H-E-R-L-A-N-D。\n\n2 口译员：\n我正在澄清他\n\n3 所说的话。\n\n4 （口译。）\n\n5 口译员：\n让我继续\n\n6 澄清刚才喊出的内容。\n\n7 （口译。）\n\n8 口译员：\n抱歉。\n\n9 口译员无法听清。没有人回应我的\n\n10 问题，所以我不知道。\n\n11 克莱伯恩女士：\n谢谢，Bin。\n\n12 在我回到债务人之前，是否还有其他债权人或利害关系\n\n13 方？\n\n14 哈巴赫先生：\n我是 David Harbach（大卫·哈巴赫），来自\n\n15 O'Melveny and Myers（奥麦文尼与迈尔斯），代表 PACS。我只是\n\n16 想澄清，我们尚未获得债务人对他\n\n17 刚才所说内容的答复，这是否正确？\n\n18 \n\n19 据我所知，我没有听到对此的任何口译，\n\n20 我理解口译员正试图\n\n21 澄清所说的内容，但债务人没有\n\n22 作出回应，至少据我所听到的情况如此，我们想知道\n\n23 他说了什么。\n\n24 鲍尔迪加先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·鲍尔迪加）。我接受\n\n25 您的道歉。那不是债务人，但是\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 10 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 我接受您对该推断的道歉。\n\n2 克莱伯恩女士：\n我将稍后\n\n3 回来处理此事。\n\n4 哈巴赫先生：\n好的。（听不清）\n\n5 我是否应当道歉，但那么我们能否询问\n\n6 是谁发出了那一声？口译员正在\n\n7 试图澄清，我们也是如此。请原谅该\n\n8 推断。\n\n9 口译员：\n因此，我翻译了您\n\n10 所要求的内容。刚才有人突然说出了\n\n11 几句话——几个句子。口译员没有\n\n12 听清那些句子。因此口译员试图\n\n13 澄清是谁说话以及那些话是什么，但\n\n14 没有人回应口译员的问题。\n\n15 克莱伯恩女士：\n我是 Holley Claiborn（霍莉·克莱伯恩）。\n\n16 刚才发言的人能否回答\n\n17 口译员的问题并表明身份？\n\n18 口译员：\n抱歉。\n\n19 刚才那只是一段录像。不是有人\n\n20 说话。\n\n21 鲍尔迪加先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·鲍尔迪加）。Kwok\n\n22 先生——Kwok 先生在那次突然声响中听到的，是\n\n23 有人回放了其声音的音频，我们确实\n\n24 想知道电话线上所有人的身份，并且我们\n\n25 希望查明是谁播放了该音频片段。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交于 05/20/22 录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 11 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 谢谢。\n\n2 身份不明者：\n抱歉，是我。我刚才播放了\n\n3 Kwok 先生的视频。\n\n4 克莱伯恩女士：\n刚才发言的人能否\n\n5 表明身份？\n\n6 口译员：\n口译员需要\n\n7 澄清。\n\n8 （口译员询问。）\n\n9 严先生：\n我叫 Xingyu Yan（严星宇）。我是\n\n10 Kwok 先生的一名债权人。\n\n11 鲍尔迪加先生：\n请问能否提供拼写？\n\n12 我们能否获得该姓名的拼写，\n\n13 请？\n\n14 严先生：\n拼写是 X，代表 Xray；I，代表\n\n15 India；N，代表 Nancy；G，代表 George；Y，代表 Yes；\n\n16 U，代表 umbrella。姓氏为 Y，A，代表 apple；N，代表\n\n17 Nancy。\n\n18 鲍尔迪加先生：\n克莱伯恩女士，我又是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·鲍尔迪加）。\n\n19 您能否请逐一确认\n\n20 电话线上其他所有人的姓名，以便我们知道谁在\n\n21 参与，无论他们是否打算提问？\n\n22 \n\n23 克莱伯恩女士：\n我正试图进行这一步。\n\n24 那是我的——好的。\n\n25 线上还有其他人吗？如果您在线上，\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 12 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 能否请您表明身份？\n\n2 格雷夫先生：\n您好。我叫 Steven Greif（史蒂文·格雷夫），\n\n3 G-R-E-I-F。\n\n4 沃伦先生：\nSteven Warren（史蒂文·沃伦），来自 O'Melveny &\n\n5 Myers（奥麦文尼与迈尔斯）。\n\n6 贾尔伯特先生：\nCraig Jalbert（克雷格·贾尔伯特），来自\n\n7 （听不清）。\n\n8 听不清者：\n（听不清），来自\n\n9 Robinson and Cole（罗宾逊与科尔）。\n\n10 听不清者：\n（听不清），来自\n\n11 Stroock, Stroock and Lavan（斯特鲁克、斯特鲁克与拉文）。\n\n12 迪林女士：\nAlexandra Deering（亚历山德拉·迪林），来自 Brown\n\n13 Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克）。\n\n14 克莱伯恩女士：\n我又是 Holley Claiborn（霍莉·克莱伯恩）。\n\n15 感谢各位将出庭情况载入记录。\n\n16 如果我可以回到债务人一方，\n\n17 Baldiga 先生，您能否将您的出庭情况\n\n18 载入记录，并说明在您所在地与您一同在场的\n\n19 所有人？\n\n20 鲍尔迪加先生：\n好的。我们在我们的——\n\n21 抱歉，我没听到刚才所说的话。\n\n22 克莱伯恩女士：\nBaldiga 先生，请您\n\n23 继续，好吗？Baldiga 先生，请您继续，\n\n24 好吗？\n\n25 鲍尔迪加先生：\n好的。谢谢。我们在\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n我们位于纽约 7 Times Square 的办公室。\nBaldiga 先生，您能否说明与您一同在场人员的姓名？\n\n（无回应。）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：\nBaldiga 先生，您能否请说明与您在一起人员的姓名？\n\n鲍尔迪加先生：\nBen Silverberg（本·西尔弗伯格）和 Uri Pinelo（乌里·皮内洛）。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：\n好的。我相信我先前听到的其他姓名是 Una Menye（乌娜·门耶）（音），其为一名口译员，以及 Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）律师。\n\n鲍尔迪加先生：\n对。是的。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：\n好的。我将让 Kwok 先生宣誓，并请所有人将电话静音。\n\n（债务人宣誓。）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：Kwok 先生，如您所知，今天的会议正在录音，并且有一名口译员 Bin（宾），其正在翻译我的问题和他人的发言，也将翻译您的回答。\n\n请在官方口译员完成完整翻译之前，暂勿回答今天向您提出的任何问题。\n\n我要求您在您\n\n1 回答这些问题；如您这样做，我将\n2 请官方口译员翻译该\n3 讨论。\n4 口译员：\n抱歉。您能否\n5 重复一遍？\n6 CLAIBORN 女士：\n郭先生，我要求您\n7 在回答我的问题或\n8 他人的问题之前，不要与今天\n9 陪同您的私人口译员交流。\n10 口译员：\n他不能使用他自己的\n11 口译员。\n12 CLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，您能否为\n13 郭先生翻译该指示。\n14 BALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。\n15 在……范围内——\n16 CLAIBORN 女士：\nBaldiga 先生，您能否先\n17 等待 Bin 为我口译该指示，\n18 然后您可以发表意见。\n19 BALDIGA 先生：\n有两件事。这是 Bill\n20 Baldiga。\n21 Holley，您的声音又变得相当含糊了，\n22 第二，如郭先生需要\n23 与其口译员交谈，以便更好理解\n24 所说内容，或者与我们同在现场的口译员\n25 认为存在误译，我们将\n\n文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 15 页，案件 22-50073\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日 83\n\n告知您，以便您知悉是否存在\n\n进一步交谈。\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n谢谢。\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵），宣誓后作证\n由 CLAIBORN 女士进行询问：\n问\n郭先生，您能否说明\n提交您的 Chapter 11 破产案件的原因？\n身份不明者：\n抱歉？\n问\n郭先生，请说明您决定提交\nChapter 11 破产案件\n背后的原因？\nHARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫）。我们\n又听不清您说话了。\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n我很抱歉。我的电话系统\n是新的，我正对着电话大声说话，但除非我\n打开免提，否则无法录音。\n大声说话会改善您听到我的声音的效果吗？\nHARBACH 先生：\n很难\n听清您的问题，因为声音太\n含糊了。如果我可以直言，问题不在音量，而在咬字。\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n我会尽量放慢语速。\n这样有没有好一点？\nBALDIGA 先生：\n似乎好一些，是的。谢\n谢。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 16 页\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n2 问\n好的。我们再试一次。\n3 郭先生，您能否说明您\n4 提交 Chapter 11 破产\n5 案件背后的原因？\n6 答\n我听不懂您。我不知道您所说的\n7 提交 Chapter 11 银行是什么意思。\n8 问\n郭先生，您为什么提交破产\n9 案件？\n10 口译员：\n口译员希望\n11 澄清他所说的词。\n12 答\n我没有提交任何破产证书。\n13 问\n让我再试一次。\n14 郭先生，您是在美国此处一项\n15 破产程序中的 Chapter 11 债务人。\n16 郭先生，您决定提交\n17 破产案件背后的原因是什么？\n18 答\n所以您是在问我为什么申请\n19 破产，对吗？\n20 问\n是。\n21 答\n我在二月中旬的第二次审判或\n22 在 Southern District（纽约南区）的第二次出庭中提交了（听不清）。\n23 我被处以 $120 million 的罚款，并被\n24 命令在五天内付清。因此，\n25 我别无选择——所以我提交了破产\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 17 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n1 申请，在 Connecticut（康涅狄格州）州和 Chapter 11。\n2 问\n郭先生，您第一次就提交\n3 破产案件与律师交谈是在何时？\n4 BALDIGA 先生：\n只问日期，或者\n5 大约日期。不要问法律意见的实质内容。\n6 答\n大约是 12 日、13 日。\n7 问\n您能否提供月份和\n8 年份？\n9 答\n是 2002 年 2 月 12 日。\n10 问\n您说的是 2002 年还是 2021 年？\n11 答\n2022 年。2 月 12 日或 13 日。\n12 问\n郭先生，我请您查看您\n13 向破产法院提交、载于 ECF 1 的\n14 破产申请书。\n15 郭先生，该申请书上有手写签名。\n16 那是您的手写签名吗？\n17 答\n请稍等一下。我会请律师拿来，\n18 我会看一下。\n19 BALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。我们\n20 现有的是已提交的带电子签名的申请书。\n21 我没有把带有手写签名的文件带到\n22 会议室。如您希望我们取得，\n23 我们可以在休息期间取得。\n24 问\n郭先生，您能否查看\n25 您的律师持有的文件，即\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 18 页\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n1 载有您印刷姓名的破产申请书，并\n2 确认您在该文件\n3 提交法院前已签署该文件？\n4 答\n请稍等一下。\n让我\n5 看一下。\n6 BALDIGA 先生：\n请让我听一下翻译。\n7 我想听听您所说内容的翻译。\n8 \n9 （无回应。）\n10 BALDIGA 先生：\n翻译员还\n11 在吗？\n12 CLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，您在线吗？\n13 （无回应。）\n14 Bin，您在吗？\n15 （无回应。）\n16 看来 Bin 已离开，因此我将\n17 让大家等待，并尝试\n18 重新接通她。抱歉。\n19 BALDIGA 先生：\n没关系。\n我们可以短暂休息吗？\n20 \n21 CLAIBORN 女士：\n我需要几分钟\n22 来处理，所以请开始休息；我一将她接通，\n23 我们就马上继续。\n24 BALDIGA 先生：\n非常感谢。\n25 （休庭记录外。）\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 19 页\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n1 CLAIBORN 女士：\n因一些技术\n2 故障短暂休息后，\n3 现恢复庭审记录。\n4 由 CLAIBORN 女士进行询问：\n5 问\n待答问题是要求郭先生\n6 确认其签署了\n7 载于 ECF 1 的破产申请书。\n8 答\n我已经看完了，是的。\n9 问\n郭先生，您在签署破产申请书之前，是否阅读并理解了\n10 该破产申请书及其中包含的\n11 信息？\n12 答\n是的，我理解了。\n13 问\n郭先生，您签署申请书之前，\n14 该申请书是否为您翻译成另一种语言？\n15 答\n是的，它为我翻译成中文。\n16 问\n是谁翻译了破产申请书？\n17 答\n我的律师翻译的。\n18 问\n郭先生，我认为 Baldiga 先生\n19 不会说中文。\n20 那么，为您翻译申请书的公司或\n21 人员是谁？\n22 答\n我不知道。\n23 问\n郭先生，据您所知，\n24 您的破产申请书中的信息是否真实、准确？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 20 页\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n1 答\n是的，准确且真实。\n2 问\n郭先生，您能否查看\n3 向法院案卷提交、载于 ECF No. 79 的个人债务人财产清单\n4 声明。\n5 口译员：\n抱歉，您能否\n6 重复一遍？\n7 问\n郭先生，您能否查看\n8 向破产法院提交、载于 ECF 79 的个人债务人财产清单\n9 声明。\n10 郭先生，该声明上有手写签名。\n11 那是您的手写\n12 签名吗？\n13 答\n我手中的文件。是的，是我签署的。\n14 \n15 问\n您正在看 ECF no. 79 吗？\n16 答\n是。\n17 问\n郭先生，您签署之前，\n18 载于 ECF 79 的声明是否为您翻译成\n19 另一种语言？\n20 答\n是。\n21 问\n被翻译成何种语言？\n22 答\n中文。\n23 问\n郭先生，您知道是谁\n24 翻译了 ECF no. 79 吗？\n\n25 答 是。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 21 页\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n1 问\n为您将 ECF\n2 79 翻译成中文的人是谁？\n3 答\n律师。\n4 问\n您能告诉我该律师的姓名吗？\n5 答\nBill。\n6 BALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。该\n7 证人没有区分\n8 我亲自所做的事情和我们委托所做的事情，\n9 为澄清起见。我显然不亲自做翻译。\n10 CLAIBORN 女士：\nBaldiga 律师，您能否\n11 告诉我为您工作的翻译人员姓名，\n12 或公司的名称？\n13 BALDIGA 先生：\n我得去查一下。我\n14 这里没有。\n15 问\n郭先生，您在签署\n16 载于 ECF no. 79 的声明之前，是否阅读并理解了\n17 该声明？\n18 答\n是的，理解了。\n19 问\n郭先生，您能否查看您\n20 向破产法院提交、载于 ECF 78 的\n21 破产财产清单？\n22 郭先生，为今天的目的，当我\n23 使用“财产清单”一词时，无论是统称还是\n24 特指某一份清单，我指的都是\n25 载于 ECF 78 的文件。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n83 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 22 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日 21\n1 郭先生，您的破产财产清单\n2 是否为您翻译？\n3 答\n是的，翻译了。\n4 问 郭先生，您是否参与准备\n5 财产清单中问题的答复和\n6 答案？\n7 答\n是的，我参与了。\n8 问 郭先生，您在签署\n9 载于 ECF 79 的声明之前，是否阅读并理解了财产清单中\n10 所有问题的答复和\n11 答案？\n12 答\n是。\n13 问 郭先生，谁协助您\n14 准备您的破产财产清单？\n15 答\n律师。\n16 问 郭先生，您能告诉我哪些律师\n17 帮助过您吗？\n18 答\nBill。\n19 问 郭先生，您是指\n20 Baldiga 律师吗？\n21 答\n是。\n22 问 郭先生，是否有其他律师协助您\n23 准备破产财产清单？\n24 答\n是。\n25 问 您能否告诉我\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 23 页\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n1 协助您的其他律师的姓名？\n2 答\n我不知道如何说他们的名字。我\n3 英语读得不好。\n4 BALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。我很\n5 乐意补充，当然，我们在 Brown Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克律师事务所）的其他\n6 同事也提供了协助。但我不确定郭先生\n7 是否会知道究竟是谁\n8 协助了其中的哪个部分，但您当然可以\n9 询问。\n10 问\n郭先生，是否有不在 Brown Rudnick 执业的\n11 律师帮助您准备财产清单？\n12 BALDIGA 先生：\n抱歉。我需要和\n13 郭先生谈一秒钟。我将让您\n14 静音一秒钟。\n15 CLAIBORN 女士：\n我希望他在您与其\n16 商议之前先回答问题，Baldiga\n17 先生。\n18 答\n因为整个破产申请，\n19 所有事情都是这位律师安排的。但我\n20 不知道其他所有细节。\n21 CLAIBORN 女士：\n您想与您的当事人\n22 商议吗？\n23 BALDIGA 先生：\n我仅澄清，郭\n24 先生可能不知道我们与其他人进行的\n25 所有谈话，但这\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 24 页\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n1 是询问他的机会，所以您显然\n2 可以问这个问题，但我们不希望造成误导。\n3 问\n郭先生，除 Baldiga 先生和 Brown Rudnick 的\n4 律师外，您是否与其他\n5 律师讨论过准备您的破产财产清单？\n6 答\n是。\n7 问\n您与谁交谈过？\n8 答\n另一家名为 Ari 的律师事务所，以及我的个人\n9 律师（听不清）。\n10 问\n您的个人律师姓名是什么？\n11 BALDIGA 先生：\n我能否先商议一下，我或许\n12 能够回答该问题？\n13 CLAIBORN 女士：\n请便。\n14 BALDIGA 先生：\n请给我一秒钟\n15 商议，可以吗？\n16 CLAIBORN 女士：\n可以。\n17 （暂停。）\n18 BALDIGA 先生：\n谢谢。\n19 问\n郭先生，您的个人\n20 律师姓名是什么？\n21 答\nGuy Petrillo（盖伊·佩特里洛）和\nAri（听不清）。\n22 问\n郭先生，我是否正确理解，您曾与 Guy\n23 Petrillo 和 Aaron Mitchell（阿伦·米切尔）讨论过\n24 您的破产财产清单？\n25 答\n是。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 25 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年3月21日\n\n1 问\n郭先生，您是否讨论过您的破产\n\n2 与您今天尚未告诉我的任何其他律师的日程安排？\n\n3 \n\n4 答\n我不记得。\n\n5 问\n郭先生，您的破产附表中是否存在任何错误或遗漏？\n\n6 \n\n7 答\n我现在没有看到任何此类情况。\n\n8 问\n郭先生，据您所知，您的破产附表中的所有内容是否真实且准确？\n\n9 \n\n10 \n\n11 答\n是。\n\n12 问\n郭先生，请您查看一下您提交给法院、载于 ECF no. 77 的破产财务状况说明书。\n\n13 \n\n14 \n\n15 郭先生，请根据文件顶部的页码，翻到第20页，您将在那里看到一份手写签名。\n\n16 \n\n17 \n\n18 口译员：对不起？\n\n19 问\n您将在那里看到一份手写签名。\n\n20 郭先生，财务状况说明书第20页上的手写签名是否是您本人所签？\n\n21 \n\n22 \n\n23 答\n是。\n\n24 问\n郭先生，您在签署该财务状况说明书之前，是否有人为您翻译过该说明书？\n\n25 \n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22\n83 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 26 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022 25\n1 答 是。\n\n2 问 郭先生，您是否参与了财务状况说明书中问题答复及回答的准备工作？\n\n3 \n\n4 \n\n5 答 是。\n\n6 问 郭先生，您在签署财务状况说明书之前，是否阅读并理解了其中对所有问题的答复和回答？\n\n7 \n\n8 \n\n9 答 我全都理解。\n\n10 问 郭先生，您的财务状况说明书中是否存在任何错误或遗漏？\n\n11 \n\n12 答 没有。\n\n13 （未作答。）\n\n14 问 郭先生，请您回答这个问题。\n\n15 \n\n16 BALDIGA 先生：对不起。您能重复一下吗？\n\n17 出于某种原因，我们在房间里没有听到口译。\n\n18 \n\n19 CLAIBORN 女士：我再问一遍这个问题。\n\n20 问 您的财务状况说明书中是否存在任何错误或遗漏？\n\n21 \n\n22 答 截至目前，我没有发现任何错误或遗漏。\n\n23 \n\n24 问 郭先生，据您所知，您的财务状况说明书中的所有内容是否真实且准确？\n\n25 \n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22\n83 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 27 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022 26\n1 据您所知？\n\n2 答 是。\n\n3 问 郭先生，谁协助您准备财务状况说明书？\n\n4 \n\n5 答 我的律师 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）和我的财务顾问 Matt Flynn（马特·弗林）。\n\n6 \n\n7 问 郭先生，您指的是 Baldiga 律师吗？\n\n8 \n\n9 答 是。\n\n10 问 那么，财务顾问的姓名——全名是什么？\n\n11 \n\n12 答 我不知道如何拼写。\n\n13 BALDIGA 先生：是 Matt Flynn 以及 Verdolino and Lowey（维尔多利诺和洛伊）的同事。但是您可以——\n\n14 \n\n15 问 郭先生，这是否正确？\n\n16 答 恐怕我会说错，但我会请我的律师 Baldiga 先生为您澄清。\n\n17 \n\n18 问 我们可以继续。\n\n19 BALDIGA 先生：我是 Bill Baldiga。\n\n20 郭先生只是不知道 Matt Flynn 或 Matt 在 Verlino and Lowey 的同事的全名，\n\n21 \n\n22 但我确认，他在回答问题时指向坐在他旁边的 Matt Flynn。\n\n23 \n\n24 CLAIBORN 女士：谢谢。\n\n25 问 郭先生，还有其他人协助您准备财务状况说明书吗？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 28 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022\n\n1 财务状况说明书吗？\n\n2 答\n没有。\n\n3 问\n郭先生，您在美国居住多久了？\n\n4 \n\n5 答\n将近七年。\n\n6 HARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach（大卫·哈巴赫）。我\n\n7 没有听到该回答的翻译。\n\n8 CLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，请您重复一下\n\n9 您的翻译。\n\n10 口译员：\n将近 7 年。\n\n11 问\n郭先生，您现在仍住在格林尼治 Taconic Road 的房产吗？\n\n12 \n\n13 答\n是。\n\n14 问\n谁拥有格林尼治的该房产？\n\n15 答\n我妻子。\n\n16 问\n您的破产文件提到一家名为 Greenwich Land, LLC（格林尼治土地有限责任公司）的公司。谁拥有该公司？\n\n17 \n\n18 答\n我妻子。\n\n19 问\n您妻子的姓名是什么？\n\n20 答\n（无法辨认）\n\n21 CLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，您能否请\n\n22 为我把它翻译成拼写形式？\n\n23 口译员：\n请让我先向他确认\n\n24 是哪几个汉字，然后我就可以为您拼写出来。\n\n25 \n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22\n83 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 29 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022 28\n1 答 我妻子的名字读作（无法辨认），\n\n2 但她来自——她来自香港。她的\n\n3 拼写与中国大陆不同，我不知道如何拼写她的名字。\n\n4 \n\n5 问 郭先生，您能否只拼写她的姓氏？\n\n6 \n\n7 答 我不知道如何拼写。\n\n8 问 除您妻子外，是否还有任何其他人持有 Greenwich Land LLC 的成员权益？\n\n9 \n\n10 答 我不知道。\n\n11 问 Greenwich Land LLC 是何时作为公司成立的？\n\n12 \n\n13 答 2020。\n\n14 问 郭先生，您是否曾是 Greenwich Land, LLC 的成员？\n\n15 \n\n16 答 没有。\n\n17 问 Greenwich Land, LLC 为购买位于 Taconic Road 的格林尼治房产支付了多少钱？\n\n18 \n\n19 答 我不知道具体数额，但大约是 5 million。\n\n20 \n\n21 问 该项购买如何获得资金？\n\n22 答 我不知道。\n\n23 问 郭先生，谁会知道答案？\n\n24 口译员：对不起？\n\n25 问 郭先生，谁会知道这个问题的答案？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 30 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022\n\n1 答\n我妻子知道。\n\n2 HARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach，我\n\n3 为打断表示歉意。\n\n4 我们没有听到郭先生所说该类房产大约会花费多少的数额翻译。\n\n5 \n\n6 能否请重复一下？\n\n7 口译员：\n对不起，口译员\n\n8 无法清楚听到您说话。\n\n9 CLAIBORN 女士：\nHarbach 先生，我会再次\n\n10 问您的问题。\n\n11 HARBACH 先生：\n谢谢。\n\n12 问\n格林尼治 Taconic Road 的房产是以多少钱购得的？\n\n13 \n\n14 答\n我不太清楚，但大约是 4 million 到 5 million。\n\n15 \n\n16 问\nGreenwich Land LLC 何时购买了格林尼治 Taconic Road 的该房产？\n\n17 \n\n18 答\n我不知道具体时间。\n\n19 问\n您知道年份吗？\n\n20 答\n2019 或 2020。我记不清了。\n\n21 （无法听清的背景交谈声。）\n\n22 CLAIBORN 女士：\n请正在说话的人\n\n23 表明身份好吗？\n\n24 BALDIGA 先生：\n请稍等一下。\n\n25 我们可能有翻译问题。我先\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022 30\n1 让您静音一秒钟。\n\n2 （暂停。）\n\n3 BALDIGA 先生：我是 Bill Baldiga。我们\n\n4 认为郭先生对日期的回答是 2019 或 2020，但\n\n5 翻译员可能只说了 2020，未提及 2019。\n\n6 我显然不知道。但是——如果这很重要，您可以重新询问，\n\n7 以确保对此有明确了解？\n\n8 \n\n9 问 郭先生，Greenwich Land LLC 何时购买了格林尼治 Taconic Road 的房产？\n\n10 \n\n11 答 可能是 2020，也可能是 2019。我记不清楚。我不知道。\n\n12 \n\n13 问 郭先生，您是否签署过任何与购买格林尼治 Taconic Road 房产有关的文件？\n\n14 \n\n15 \n\n16 答 没有。\n\n17 问 郭先生，谁住在格林尼治 Taconic Road 的房产？\n\n18 \n\n19 口译员：对不起？谁——\n\n20 问 谁住在格林尼治 Taconic Road 的房产？\n\n21 \n\n22 答 我妻子和我。有时我住在纽约的女儿会回来。\n\n23 \n\n24 问 郭先生，您目前是否受雇于任何人？\n\n25 \n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 32 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022\n\n1 口译员：\n您是什么？\n\n2 问\n您目前是否受雇于任何人或任何公司？\n\n3 \n\n4 答\n没有。\n\n5 问\n郭先生，自您开始在美国居住以来，您是否曾受雇或有过任何工作？\n\n6 \n\n7 \n\n8 答\n我记不清楚。我记不清楚，但大约在 2015 年，我在 Golden Spring（戈尔登斯普林）工作过一段时间。\n\n9 \n\n10 在我得到部分工资薪酬后，我就离开了，之后没有别的。\n\n11 \n\n12 问\n您在 2015 年为 Golden Spring 做什么工作？\n\n13 \n\n14 答\n我不太记得清楚，但似乎是（无法辨认）。\n\n15 我被安排负责开发\n\n16 （无法辨认）的投资者。但我记不清楚。\n\n17 \n\n18 问\n郭先生，您何时停止为 Golden Spring 工作？\n\n19 \n\n20 BALDIGA 先生：\n请稍等一下。我\n\n21 只是想确认我们——请稍等一下。我只是想确认我们没有\n\n22 \n\n23 （无法辨认）翻译。我们可能有。\n\n24 （暂停。）\n\n25 BALDIGA 先生：\n我们的口译员认为，\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 33 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022\n1 回答是，如果他在 Golden Springs 有过职务，\n\n2 那是为了开发投资机会，\n\n3 而不是开发投资者。\n\n4 问\n郭先生，您何时停止为 Golden Spring 工作？\n\n5 \n\n6 答\n我记不清楚。\n\n7 问\n郭先生，您所说的 Golden Spring，是指名为 Golden Spring, New York, Limited（Golden Spring 纽约有限公司）的公司吗？\n\n8 \n\n9 \n\n10 答\n是。\n\n11 问\n郭先生，您是否因您为 Golden Spring 所做的任何工作获得报酬？\n\n12 \n\n13 答\n是。\n\n14 问\n您获得了多少报酬？\n\n15 答\n大约 200,000。我不记得具体数额。\n\n16 \n\n17 问\n郭先生，您是否因在 Golden Spring 的工作收到过工资支票？\n\n18 \n\n19 答\n我应该收到过，但我不太记得具体情况。\n\n20 \n\n21 问\n郭先生，您是否将 Golden Spring 支付给您的钱存入银行账户？\n\n22 \n\n23 答\n我应该把它存入 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）的信用卡账户。\n\n24 \n\n25 问\n郭先生，您是说您曾在 Morgan Stanley 开设银行账户吗？\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 34 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022\n\n1 账户吗？\n\n2 答\n是，我曾经有。\n\n3 问\n您现在仍在 Morgan Stanley 设有银行账户吗？\n\n4 \n\n5 答\n没有。\n\n6 问\n您何时关闭了您在 Morgan Stanley 的账户？\n\n7 \n\n8 答\n大约在 April, 2017，当时（无法辨认），\n\n9 中国共产党开始追捕我并且\n\n10 （无法辨认）我。因此我所有的银行账户都被关闭。\n\n11 \n\n12 BALDIGA 先生：\n等一下。这里存在\n\n13 误译。\n\n14 （暂停。）\n\n15 BALDIGA 先生：\n此前的不正确陈述或\n\n16 误译仅仅是对那个词的翻译。但这里回答的整个要旨\n\n17 都被遗漏了。我不知道发生了什么。\n\n18 \n\n19 CLAIBORN 女士：\n也许我可以换一个问题。我们可以再试一次。\n\n20 \n\n21 BALDIGA 先生：\n不，我认为——不，我认为——\n\n22 该回答——我担心翻译的准确性，因为回答中明确提到了\n\n23 一些姓名，而这些姓名根本没有被译出。\n\n24 \n\n25 我猜，Bin，您是否没有听到对\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 35 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022\n1 PACS 和 Bruno Wu（吴布鲁诺）的提及，还是存在声音问题，\n\n2 或发生了什么？\n\n3 （口译员翻译）\n\n4 CLAIBORN 女士：\n郭先生，您是否——\n\n5 郭先生：\n所以 Bruno Wu、（无法辨认）\n\n6 Airlines，以及中国共产党，他们都\n\n7 追捕我，并想杀死我。所以我\n\n8 （无法辨认）——我所有的银行账户都被关闭。\n\n9 \n\n10 PAC，PACS。（无法辨认）所有人\n\n11 都出席了今天的会议。\n\n12 BALDIGA 先生：\n我们能否将\n\n13 郭先生所说的全部内容记入记录。这显然只是他所说内容的\n\n14 很小一部分。我不知道他所说了什么，但这要短得多。\n\n15 \n\n16 （口译员翻译）\n\n17 口译员：\n口译员正在要求\n\n18 他（无法辨认）每两个名字，以便我\n\n19 能够保持其意思的完整性。\n\n20 郭先生：\n在今天的会议上有 PAC，\n\n21 其为主要债权人之一。还有\n\n22 （无法辨认）。还有（无法辨认）\n\n23 成员。所有本应支付的款项都进入了\n\n24 中国共产党名下 Bruno Wu 的一个账户。\n\n25 所以自从那一天起，当所有的——所有的\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 36 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022\n\n1 中国共产党（Chinese Communist Party）的代表——所以，\n2 当追杀开始时，我失去了我所有的\n3 银行账户。\nHARBACH先生：\n我是David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫）。Bin，\n4 你能否重复一下？\n口译员：\n抱歉？\nHARBACH先生：\n我是David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫）。你\n7 刚刚翻译了一个以“自那天起”开始的回答。\n8 你能否用英语重复一下该回答？\n口译员：\n自那天起，所有那些\n11 中国共产党代表，自那天起我失去了我所有的银行账户。\n由CLAIBORN女士（克莱伯恩）提问：\n问 Kwok先生（郭文贵），你关闭Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）账户时，账户里是否有钱？\n答 是。\n问 你把那笔钱转到哪里去了？\n答 自从账户关闭后，就没有人再来找我。\n问 Kwok先生，我的问题是你把钱转到哪里去了？\nBALDIGA先生：\n我是Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）——我很抱歉。\n我是Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。\n你能否问一下，你是否可能是在推断或暗示他转走了钱，而不是发生了其他事情？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第37页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 发生在那笔钱上？你能否以更中性的\n2 方式提问，这样你或许能得到更完整的回答？\n问 Kwok先生，是你或代表你行事的人关闭了Morgan Stanley账户吗？\n答 共产党、Bruno Wu（吴征）以及\n6 （听不清）。该账户是被共产党关闭的。\n问 Kwok先生，该Morgan Stanley账户是在美国吗？\n答 是。\n问 Kwok先生，除你本人或代表你行事的人以外，其他人如何能够关闭以你名义开设的银行账户？\n口译员：\n他要我重复这个问题，即对该问题的口译。\n（口译员再次翻译。）\n答 这是共产党的核心控制，就像今天正在发生的事情一样。是同一回事。\n19 （听不清）发生在我身上。\nBALDIGA先生：\nClaiborn女士，我能否建议你问一下是否是Morgan Stanley关闭了该账户，以便我们在这里能更有效率？\n问 Kwok先生，是你关闭了Morgan Stanley的账户吗？\n口译员：\n抱歉？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第38页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n问 Kwok先生，是你关闭了Morgan Stanley的账户吗？\n口译员：\n抱歉。我实际上仍然没有完全听清这个问题。\n问 Kwok先生，是你本人关闭了Morgan Stanley的账户吗？\n答 不是。\n问 Kwok先生，你是否要求Morgan Stanley的某人关闭你的账户？\n答 不是。\n问 Kwok先生，你是如何得知你在Morgan Stanley的银行账户被关闭的？\n答 Morgan Stanley通知我，我在中国政府的通缉名单上。因此，是Bruno Wu代表（听不清）在通缉名单上的名字，所以该账户被关闭了。\n问 Kwok先生，Morgan Stanley关闭该账户时，账户里的钱发生了什么？\nHARBACH先生：\nClaiborn女士，我是David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫）。抱歉。我漏听了该问题的后半部分。当Morgan Stanley关闭账户时，之后我就听不到你了。\n问 我重复一下我的问题。\nKwok先生，Morgan Stanley关闭该银行账户时，银行账户里的钱发生了什么？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第39页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 账户里的钱发生了什么？\n答 我最后知道的是，一个说中文的人打电话告诉我，我的账户因我在中国政府的通缉名单上而被关闭。之后发生了什么，我确实不知道。\n问 Kwok先生，账户里有多少钱——\nBALDIGA先生：\n我是Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）——\nCLAIBORN女士：\n是的，Baldiga先生？\nBALDIGA先生：\n我是Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。我认为，如果我们很快休息一下会有帮助——我不想打断你的提问节奏，但如果你想完成这部分问题，当然可以。\n我还想说——Morgan这个名称可能会造成一些混淆，因此你可能想问证人，实际上是Morgan Stanley还是JP Morgan Chase（摩根大通）。\nKWOK先生：\n现在我想起来了。我认为是JP Morgan Chase。我只是无法区分。我会把Morgan Stanley和JP Morgan Chase弄混。\n问 Kwok先生，不论你称之为JP Morgan Chase还是Morgan Stanley，那里是否只有一个账户？\n答 我记得我只有这一个账户。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第40页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n问 该账户关闭时，账户内大约有多少钱？\n答 几千美元。\nHARBACH先生：\n我漏听了。你能否重复一下英语内容？\nCLAIBORN女士：\nBin，你能否重复一下回答？\n（无回应。）\nCLAIBORN女士：\nBin，你能否重复一下回答？\nHARBACH先生：\n我是David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫）。我漏听了“thousand”一词之前的翻译。我没有听到数额。你能否重复一下？\n口译员：\n他说是几千美元。\n问 Kwok先生，当你说几千美元时，你能否让我了解一下你的意思？是否低于 \\$10,000？\n答 我不记得。\n问 Kwok先生，几分钟前你作证称，你正在为Golden Spring（金泉）开发投资机会。你能否进一步说明？\n口译员：\n抱歉？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第41页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\nCLAIBORN女士：\n我没有问完问题。抱歉。我再试一次。\n问 Kwok先生，几分钟前你作证称，你正在为Golden Spring开发投资机会。你能否说明这是什么意思？\n答 我不记得。\n问 你为Golden Spring工作时，是在美国工作吗？\n答 是。\n问 你与Golden Spring合作时，有职务名称吗？\n答 我不记得。\n问 你为Golden Spring工作时，除开发投资机会外，是否还从事其他工作？\n答 （听不清）中国共产党。\n问 你能否说明一下？\n答 自2015年至今，我一直将全部时间和精力用于收集有关共产党腐败、人权问题以及暗杀的信息。这是我的目标和我的工作。\n问 Kwok先生，你目前是否有任何收入来源？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第42页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n口译员：\n我没有听清你说的话。你能否重复一下？\n问 Kwok先生，你目前是否有收入来源？\n答 没有。\n问 Kwok先生，你是否已向美国的Internal Revenue Service（美国国税局）提交2021年度纳税申报表？\n答 没有。\n问 Kwok先生，你是否已向各州提交2021纳税年度的任何纳税申报表？\n口译员：\n抱歉？\n问 你是否已就2021纳税年度向任何州提交任何纳税申报表？\n答 没有。\n问 2021年度你需要向哪些州提交哪些纳税申报表？\n答 康涅狄格州的个人纳税申报。\n问 你是否将就2021年度向State of New York（纽约州）提交纳税申报表？\n答 不会。\n问 Kwok先生，你此前向我的办公室提供了2019年和2020年的纳税申报表。这些纳税申报表是否与你向纽约州的美国国税局提交的纳税申报表相同？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第43页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日 83\n\n1 纽约州？\n口译员：\n抱歉，什么的日期？\nCLAIBORN女士：\n2019年和2020年。\n口译员：\n是的，我听到了。后半部分是什么？\nCLAIBORN女士：\n纽约州。\n答 不是，我在康涅狄格州提交了它们，2020年。\n问 Kwok先生——\n答 2019年和2020年，我在（听不清）。2020年我在康涅狄格州提交。\nBALDIGA先生：\nHolley，我们能很快休息一下吗？\nCLAIBORN女士：\n不幸的是，我建议我们实际上不能休息，因为口译员只到2:00。因此，如果休息，必须非常非常短。\nBALDIGA先生：\n好的。五分钟？\nCLAIBORN女士：\n好的，让我在休息前再问一个问题。\n问 Kwok先生，请确认你向United States Trustee（美国受托人）提供的2020年和2019年纳税申报表，与提交给税务机关的申报表相同。\n口译员：\n什么？\n抱歉，最后一个词。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第44页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\nCLAIBORN女士：\n机关。\n问 是——\n口译员：\n你能否重复一下？抱歉。\n问 Kwok先生，你能否确认你向Office of the United States Trustee（美国受托人办公室）提供的2019和2020纳税年度的纳税申报表，与您向美国国税局、康涅狄格州以及纽约州提供的申报表相同？\n答 是。\n问 Kwok先生，在你的2020年纳税申报表中——\nBALDIGA先生：\n我想澄清一下。如你所知，对于社会保障号码以及可能几个数据点，只进行了极有限的遮盖。我不确定证人是否知道我们通过该等数据保护所做的事情，但你知道。我只是希望在该方面不使记录留下歧义。\nCLAIBORN女士：\n谢谢。\n问 Kwok先生，你的2020年纳税申报表仅报告了利息收入，没有其他收入来源。你在2020年是否有其他收入来源？\n答 没有。\nCLAIBORN女士：\n好的。我要进行一次非常短暂的休息。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第45页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n1 现在是12:30。我希望大家在12:35重新开会。我不会断开通话。我只是请你们都将电话保持等待状态。\n我们将在12:35重新开会。谢谢。\n（记录外。）\nCLAIBORN女士：\n好的。短暂休息后，我们重新进入记录。\n问 Kwok先生，我想和你谈谈Golden Spring New York（纽约金泉）。\n\n你目前是否以任何身份为Golden Spring工作？\n\n答 没有。\n\n问 Golden Spring New York Limited（纽约金泉有限公司）何时成立？\n\n口译员：抱歉？\n\n问 Golden Spring New York Limited何时成立？\n\n口译员：抱歉，我没有听清后半部分。Golden New York什么？\n\nCLAIBORN女士：实际上我就称其为Golden Spring。当我这样称呼时，我指的是Golden Spring New York。\n\n问 Golden Spring何时作为一家公司成立？\n答 我不知道。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22\n83 录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18 第46页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日 45\n问 破产申请书上的地址是162 East 64th Street。谁拥有该房产？\n我可以再次提问。\nGolden Spring的地址列为纽约162 East 64th Street。谁拥有该房产？\n答 我不知道。\n问 位于162 East 64th Street的该房产的性质是什么？\n答 我不知道你说的是哪处房产。\n问 Golden Spring的办公室——\nBALDIGA先生：我不确定那是——\nCLAIBORN女士：让我再试一次。\n办公室——\nBALDIGA先生：存在翻译问题。我们能否商量一下，因为显然存在误解。所以，Kwok先生能否与他的翻译交谈，因为显然没有传达出来。\nCLAIBORN女士：让我——我更愿意再试一次。请让我再试一次。\n问 破产申请书上Golden Spring的地址列为纽约162 East 64th Street。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交日期 05/20/22\n录入日期 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第47页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）—2022年3月21日\n\n口译员：\n是54还是64？\n5-4还是6-\n4？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n64。\n\n口译员：那么也许是因为电话，我把6误听成了5，所以让我更正我的错误并重新翻译。\n\n答：是的，那是 Golden Spring（黄金泉）的地址。\n\n问：Golden Spring 是否拥有位于该地址的那栋建筑？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾去过该地址？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：那是什么类型的建筑？那里有什么？\n\n答：是一栋建筑。\n\n问：该建筑是住宅建筑还是商业建筑？\n\n答：商业建筑。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n对不起，Bin。我没有听到你的翻译。\n\n口译员：\n商业建筑或营业建筑。\n\n问：有人住在该地址吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 从事什么类型的业务？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 48 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n答：这是一项大型家族企业，我儿子在那里工作，但我并不具体知道它有哪些业务类别。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，当您使用该术语——\n\n答：这是我儿子拥有的一家家族办公室。他还有其他业务，但我不知道。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，当您使用“家族企业”或“家族办公室”这两个术语时，您指的是什么？\n\n答：主要是为了整个家庭，为了所有家庭成员。当我们有事情时，我们（听不清）并互相帮助。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您能否更详细地解释一下？\n\n答：我不知道该如何解释。\n\n问：Golden Spring 有雇员吗？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：多少人？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 拥有任何房地产吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 拥有其他任何企业吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 有任何银行账户吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您此前在向破产法院提交的文件中称，Golden Spring 为您支付个人生活开支。请您解释一下它们是如何这样做的？\n\n答：我不知道您所说的“它们支付给我”是什么意思。在哪方面？\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您此前在破产文件中告诉法院，Golden Spring 为您的衣物、食物和住房付款。我的问题是，它们如何这样做？它们给您钱吗？它们直接向其他人付款吗？具体如何运作？\n\n答：每当我需要基本生活开支时，我就与我儿子说，他会告诉他的办公室给我。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的所有人是谁？\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach。我没有听到该问题的后半部分。我听到了“我和我儿子说，他——”这一回答，然后就听不到了。能否请再用英语说一遍？\n\n口译员：\n抱歉，我没有听清这位先生？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nHarbach 先生是在请求 Bin，您能否重复翻译 Kwok 先生关于资金如何从 Golden Spring 流出的回答。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 50 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n口译员：我将重复翻译。\n\n当我需要基本生活开支时，我会告诉我儿子。我儿子会告诉办公室拿出——\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Golden Spring 的所有人是谁？\n\n答：我儿子。\n\n问：除您的儿子外，Golden Spring 是否还有其他所有人？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是否曾拥有 Golden Spring 的任何权益？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的高级职员和董事是谁？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga。这涉及非常严重的人身安全问题；如果债务人知道，他并非拒绝回答。但在像这样的公开电话线上，公众以及其他谁能知道都不确定。这里有——请稍等。\n\n我能否与证人商议一下，因为我们希望尽可能向您提供信息，但我们不希望造成严重的安全问题。因此，我能否用一分钟与证人商议？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 51 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n可以。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga，再次发言。\n\n证人认为他可能知道董事和高级职员是谁，并准备就此根据其所知作证。如果我们能一次问一个问题，我们将从那里继续。\n\n请您翻译一下，因为我也想确保证人理解我刚才所说的话。\n\n（翻译）\n\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n\n问：Kwok 先生，截至今日，Golden Spring 的高级职员是谁？\n\n答：（听不清）\n\n问：我要重复一下那个姓名，以便所有人都理解我认为我听到的内容。我听到的是 Yan Ping，也称为 Yvonne Wang。这准确吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：Yvonne Wang 是否是 Golden Spring 唯一的高级职员？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 52 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n问：截至今日，Golden Spring 的董事是谁？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是否曾担任 Golden Spring 的高级职员或董——事？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krazner 是谁？\n\n答：我不知道。我不知道。\n\n口译员：\n请您再重复一遍姓名好吗？\n\n问：Kwok 先生，Max Krazner 是谁？\n\n（无回答）\n\nKwok 先生，您能否回答？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我正与证人商议一下。请稍等？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nBaldiga 先生，我希望他在您进行商议之前先回答问题。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n感谢您给予这个机会。证人可以回答。\n\n答：他必须与您核对，因为我不会读，也记不住英文姓名。仅就这个姓名而言，您说的是 Max。如果只是 Max 这个名字，我知道 Max。但如果您在其后加上另一个名字，我就不确定了。我不知道。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 53 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n问：就 Golden Spring 而言，您认识一位名叫 Max 的人吗？\n\n答：是。我认识。\n\n问：Max 在 Golden Spring 担任何种职务？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：那么，您是如何认识 Max 的？\n\n答：我不记得。\n\n问：您认识不止一位名叫 Max 的人吗？\n\n答：对我而言，英文姓名非常复杂。例如，我都记不住我律师的姓。如果您在 Max 后面加上其他内容，我就不知道。\n\n问：Max Krazner 这个姓名被列为 Golden Spring 邮件的收件人。您知道为什么吗？\n\n口译员：\n抱歉？\n\n问：您知道为什么吗？\n\n答：我只记得 Golden Spring 有一位 Max。我只知道这一件事。\n\n问：Max 在 Golden Spring 的工作是什么？\n\n答：我不确定是什么职务。我（听不清）知道他负责财务，但我不确定。\n\n问：就财务而言，他为 Golden Spring 做什么？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 54 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n答：我没有参与管理，所以我不知道。\n\n问：如果 Golden Spring 给您钱，是否是通过 Max Krazner 的安排？他是否协助促成此事？\n\n答：我不知道。他没有亲自给我钱。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，当您从 Golden Spring 获得钱时，您如何获得该钱款？是以现金形式，还是其他形式？\n\n答：从我儿子那里以及（听不清）。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n对不起，Bin。我没有理解你的翻译。你能再试一次吗？\n\n口译员：\n他说，从我儿子那里以及（听不清）。\n\n问：我的问题是，您如何从您儿子那里获得钱？是以现金形式，还是其他形式？\n\n答：我不明白您所说的“如何”是什么意思。我从未直接从他们那里拿到钱。\n\n问：如果您不直接从您儿子那里拿钱，您如何从您儿子那里获得钱？钱到哪里去了？\n\n答：我不用现金，也不用信用卡。\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n我儿子和（听不清）Wan 只是替我支付开支。我不可能从他们那里拿到任何现金。而且我没有银行账户。任何银行账户都没有。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是否可以使用由 Golden Spring 办理的信用卡？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga。抱歉。我认为前一个问题存在翻译问题。能否给我们一分钟，以确保证人正确理解了该问题？请稍等一下。我们将静音。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n证人希望澄清。我认为翻译已经表达出来了，但我们不确定，Golden Spring 不给他现金，而只是支付其某些生活开支账单。如果翻译传达的是这个意思，那很好。如果不是，我们相应作此澄清。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，您是否可以使用由 Golden Spring 提供给您或通过 Golden Spring 提供给您的信用卡或借记卡？\n\n答：不可以。\n\n问：Kwok 先生，对于 Golden Spring 代表您为您的生活开支支付的款项，您是否有义务向 Golden Spring 偿还？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 56 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n答：没有。不需要。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n鉴于我们今天的时间有限，此时我希望向债权人开放会议。我还没有问完所有问题。\n\n我们需要在另一天重新召开会议，但就今天的询问而言，我现在将向可能希望进行询问的债权人开放。\n\n我请求各位发言时表明身份，并注意需要进行翻译。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n为记录在案，澄清一点。您此前提到——您提到了申请书，并询问是否有人住在 162 East 64th Street。\n\n正如我们在提交申请书时非正式地告诉您的那样，对债务人的人身安全存在极大担忧，因此他使用了该地址，但此后显然已更正记录，即他住在您今天早些时候询问过的 Greenwich house（格林尼治房屋）。\n\n因此，我只是不希望记录在这方面造成混淆。谢谢。\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7 提交于 05/20/22 录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 57 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n是否有任何债权人希望向债务人询问或进行询问？\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n有。我是代表 PACS 的 David Harbach。我们确实有一些问题。我们确实有一些问题。我们现在可以开始提问，或者如果还有其他人想提问，也可以。您希望如何进行都可以。\n\n但显然我们也不会在2点之前结束。\n\n口译员：\n我听不清您说的话。\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我是代表 PACS 的 David Harbach，我刚才只是说我们确实有一些问题，我们很愿意继续并提出这些问题，或者如果受托人愿意，我们可以让其他人继续提问，但我们当然也不会在2点之前结束。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n能否请翻译一下？\n\n口译员：\n我刚才说的是，我没有完全听清他的话。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nHarbach 先生，您是否可以拿起手持设备并对着手持设备讲话，而不是使用免提电话？\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n现在不行，但让我换个位置看看是否会好一些。您能听到我吗？\n\n案号 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 58 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）— 2022年3月21日\n\n现在好一点了吗？\n\n译员：\n不太好。\n不，抱歉。\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n不太好。\n这样吧。如果您给我——稍等一下，我可以尝试用电话拨入。请给我一点时间，好吗？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n好的。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\nBin（彬），请您把这段对话翻译给 Kwok 先生，让他知道这件事。\n\n（译员翻译）\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n喂？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n喂。这是 Holley Claiborn（霍莉·克莱伯恩）。\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach（戴维·哈巴赫），我只是想知道您现在能否听得更清楚。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n清楚多了。Bin，您能听见 Harbach 先生吗？\n\n译员：\n是的，我现在能听见他了。谢谢。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n请继续，Harbach 先生。\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我将再重复一遍刚才所说的话，以便译员能够翻译。我是 David Harbach，我刚才只是说，PACS 确实有一些问题想问，但我们当然无法在 2 o'clock 之前结束，因此，如果 Claiborn 女士希望今天继续让其他债权人有机会提问，完全由她决定，或者我们现在就可以开始。\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- March 21, 2022 83\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。我们已将我们自己的译员安排延长至 2 o'clock，因此我们当然鼓励任何想提问的人利用这段时间。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n我是 Jay Wolman（杰伊·沃尔曼）。我很愿意现在问一些问题。\n\n译员：\n抱歉，我没有听到您的姓名。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\nJay Wolman，我代表 Logan Chang（张洛根）。\n\n由 WOLMAN 先生询问：\n\n问：\n下午好，Kwok 先生。您是否记得大约一年前我曾对您进行过宣誓证言记录？\n\n答：\n我有太多——\n\n译员：\n总有人在背景中说话。\n\n答：\n我有太多次宣誓证言记录。我不具体记得。\n\n问：\n没关系。我问了您一些问题，而您援引了《美国宪法》第五修正案赋予您的权利。您明白吗？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7\nFiled 05/20/22\nEntered 05/20/22 11:52:18\nPage 60 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n译员：\n您和您的妻子什么？\n抱歉。\n\n问：\n您援引了《美国宪法》第五修正案规定的权利。您记得吗？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我们存在翻译问题。请稍等一下。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我认为——我们的译员听到的是这段翻译。我们所理解的问题是，您是否记得在先前的宣誓证言记录中援引过第五修正案特权。这是我们所听到的。请以这种方式为 Kwok 先生翻译，可以吗？\n\n译员：\n抱歉，我可以再听一遍问题吗？\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n当然。\n\n问：\n您是否记得在先前的宣誓证言记录中援引过《美国宪法》第五修正案？\n\n译员：\n抱歉，我没有听清楚您说的话。\n\n问：\n您是否记得在先前的宣誓证言记录中援引过《美国宪法》第五修正案？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 60\n\n译员：\n在先前的什么？抱歉。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n宣誓证言记录。D-E-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N。\n\n译员：\n宣誓证言记录。抱歉，稍等一下。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n译员：\n好的。在先前的宣誓证言记录中什么？\n\n问：\n您是否记得援引您的第五修正案权利？\n\n译员：\n援引什么？\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n其他所有人都能听见我吗，还是只有译员听不见？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n我是 Holley。我能听见您。\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach。我们能很好地听见您。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n债务人能听见您。这不是音量问题。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n这是咬字问题吗？我可以尝试——\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 61 of 83\n\n译员：\n译员只是没有听到那个词。（听不清）换一种说法。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n我不能换一种说法。我需要您听到英文原词并将其翻译出来，女士。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 62 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n译员：\n好的。您能否说慢一点？\n\n问：\n您是否记得在先前的宣誓证言记录中援引您根据《美国宪法》第五，即第五号——第五修正案，序数——所享有的权利？\n\n译员：\n是 invoke 还是 evoke？\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n是 invoke，I-N-V-O-K-E。好的，我们仍然有问题。\n\n身份不明者：\n稍等。\n\n身份不明者：\n刚才有人退出了吗？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，您在吗？我是 Holley。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\nBin？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，您在吗？\n\n译员：\n喂。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，我是 Holley Claiborn。\n\n译员：\n好的，我回来了。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n好的。\n\n译员：\n我不知道发生了什么。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n请继续。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n译员是否——我们不确定发生了什么。译员是否和我们在一起？\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7\nFiled 05/20/22\nEntered 05/20/22 11:52:18\nPage 63 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n译员：\n是的，译员现在在这里。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n好的。谢谢。我的当事人刚才说了些什么，我不知道他说了什么，也不知道您是否听到了他说的话。如果您听到了，我想知道——我希望您把它翻译出来。如果没有，您能否让我们商议一下，以便我们可以弄清楚，因为存在很多混乱。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\nBill，您能否让您的当事人重复一下他刚才所说的话？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n不——\n\n译员：\n译员希望他重复刚才所说的话，因为刚才突然之间我没有（听不清）有时所有的声音。我正在请这位先生重复他刚才所说的话。\n\nKWOK 先生：\n刚才您的问题中提到——您问我，我的妻子是否依据法律或《宪法》使用了什么东西。我不记得这件事。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n我完全没有提到他的妻子。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7\nFiled 05/20/22\nEntered 05/20/22 11:52:18\nPage 64 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\nKWOK 先生：\n那么，您刚才是否说了我的妻子使用了任何一种法律还是什么？\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n没有，完全不是那么回事。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\nWolman 先生，我能否建议，您或许直接问您想问他的任何问题，而不要问一年前发生的事，因为这样没有任何进展。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n嗯，我将重新问他所有与财务有关、他曾援引第五修正案的问题，我想确保他在今天作答时心中清楚这一点。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n有问题吗？\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n我想确保您知道我将要做什么。此时此刻，我毫无头绪，但我向您说明，我正在做的正是这件事。因此，我想确保您的当事人得到适当告知。\n\n由 WOLMAN 先生询问：\n\n问：\n那么，一年前——这是一个较长的问题，Bin，所以请您把它记下来，或者做您需要做的事。让我说完后再翻译。不要零碎地翻译。\n\n译员：\n好的。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7\nFiled 05/20/22\nEntered 05/20/22 11:52:18\nPage 65 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我——\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n等一下。我希望把那段话翻译出来，我们将分小段进行。因此，Bin，请为证人翻译那段话，因为他必须听到全部内容。\n\n（翻译。）\n\n译员：\n是的。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n谢谢。\n\n由 WOLMAN 先生询问：\n\n问：\n一年前，我问您是否受雇。您回答，我一直是——\n\n译员：\n我问您什么？抱歉。\n\n问：\n您是否受雇？背景噪音很多。请停止，可以吗？一年前，我问您是否受雇？\n\n译员：\n您受雇吗？\n\n问：\n一年前，我问您是否受雇？您的回答是，我一直是许多公司的顾问——\n\n译员：\n抱歉。一年前，我问您是否受雇？回答是什么？\n\n问：\n我一直是许多公司的顾问——\n\n译员：\n我很抱歉——\n\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n问：\n而我目前的工作是——我从事广播，并推翻中国共产党。这是一场广播革命。随后我问您，您为此获得多少报酬。我现在重新问这个问题。您为此获得多少报酬？\n\n译员：\n所以我必须从头开始，因为当您说一年前我问您是否——您是否受雇时，我没有听到“是”之后的词。\n\n问：\n您的回答是，我一直是许多公司的顾问，而我目前的工作是——他停顿了。我从事广播——\n\n译员：\n是什么？抱歉？\n\n问：\n——并推翻——\n\n译员：\n抱歉。\n\n问：\n我从事广播，并推翻中国共产党。这是一场广播革命。随后我问您，您获得多少——\n\n译员：\n对不起，我无法——\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n对不起，我还没有说完。为什么不能？\n\n译员：\n我试图澄清——\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7\nFiled 05/20/22\nEntered 05/20/22 11:52:18\nPage 67 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n为什么不能？\n\n译员：\n——我没有听到的词。是的，我知道这很简单，但它太长了。我（听不清）花这么长时间进行翻译。我高度集中注意力。我有人的大脑。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n我习惯于译员边听边记。\n\n译员：\n对此抱歉。让我先翻译我听到的部分，然后我会问您其余部分。可以吗？\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n可以。\n\n译员：\n好的。\n\n（翻译）\n\n译员：\n好的。我——\n\n问：\n随后我问您，您为此获得多少报酬，我现在再次问您，因为您援引了第五修正案，您为此获得多少报酬？\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n好的。证人正在努力——嗯，问题是您是否因那件事获得报酬吗？您可以回答这个问题。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n不。我确实是在问他，您为此获得多少报酬。他援引了第五修正案。我现在再次问这个问题。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7\nFiled 05/20/22\nEntered 05/20/22 11:52:18\nPage 68 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022\n\n问：\n您为此获得多少报酬？\n\n答：\n完全没有钱。\n\n问：\n一年前，我问您 Golden Spring New York（纽约金泉）是什么。您回答说，它是一家公司。随后我问您，您的——随后我问您，您与该公司是什么关系，因此我现在再次问这个问题。您与该公司是什么关系？\n\n答：\n我不知道您所说的“关系”是什么意思。\n\n问：\n如果您不知道我那个问题的意思，为什么您去年援引了第五修正案？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n反对。我不会允许证人说明一年前有关第五修正案的法律意见。他准备回答您可能提出的任何问题。您在每一个问题中都包含三件事，即某些对第五修正案的提及、一些一年前的谈话，以及一个关于现在的问题，这使证人有些困惑。但是，如果您提出一个更简单的问题，我认为这将会更富有成效。这是您的选择。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n不。您的当事人是一个聪明的人，是一名大商人，是一个老练的人。我相信他能够处理这些。\n\nCase 22-50073 Doc 404-7 Filed 05/20/22 Entered 05/20/22 11:52:18 Page 69 of\nHo Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83\n\n两个简单的问题。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n请按您希望的方式继续。\n\n（翻译中断）\n\n问：\n去年我问过您——\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n等等。\n请稍等。\nWolman 先生，\n有一段需要翻译。\n请\n稍等。\n证人需要理解正在\n说的内容。\n\n（翻译）\n\n口译员：\n好的。\n请继续。\n\n问：\n您与 Golden Spring（金泉）是什么关系？\n\n答：\n我不明白您的\n问题是什么意思？\n我不知道该如何回答您的问题。\n\n问：\n您知道“关系”一词\n是什么意思吗？\n\n答：\n关系的意思是在中国对事物的爱。\n它可以是夫妻之间的关系。也可以是\n政府关系、财务\n关系、金钱，也可以是很多事情。\n所以我不知道您指的是哪一种？\n是\n男女关系，还是金钱关系，或者\n什么？\n\n问：\n任何关系？\n是什么？您与其的\n（听不清）\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7\n提交 05/20/22\n录入 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 70 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n口译员：\n抱歉？\n您刚才最后一句\n是什么，因为当时有人在说话。\n\n问：\n任何关系，您与 Golden Spring 的关系是什么？\n\n口译员：\n让我先进行\n翻译。\n\n答：\n现在的关系是——是它\n借钱给我。我欠它钱。\n它帮助我。\n\n问：\n它为什么这么做？\n\n答：\n因为我曾是 Guo（按发音）\n家族的一员。\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach（大卫·哈巴赫）。您能否\n请重复该英文回答？\n\n口译员：\n因为我曾是 Guo\n家族的一员。\n\n问：\nGolden Spring 是否支付 Guo 家族任何\n其他成员的费用？\n\n答：\n是。\n\n问：\nGuo 家族的哪些其他成员？\n\n答：\n我不知道。\n\n问：\n一年前，我问过您，Golden\nSpring 为什么向 Podhaskie 先生（波德哈斯基），P-O-D-H-A-S-K-I-E，支付\n为您以个人\n身份提供的服务费用。我现在再次问这个问题。\n为什么\nGolden Spring 向 Podhaskie 先生支付服务费用\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7 提交 05/20/22 录入 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 71 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n问：\n以个人身份向您提供的服务费用？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·巴尔迪加）。我\n了解到 Podhaskie 先生可能是一名律师。我\n只需要与当事人商议，以确保他\n不会披露法律意见的实质内容。我\n用一秒钟来处理此事。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n该问题并未表明\n任何此类回答。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n抱歉。证人可以\n回答该问题。\n\nKWOK 先生：\n我不知道。\n\n问：\n您是否曾问过任何人为什么他们支付费用让他\n向您提供建议？\n\n答：\n我不记得了。\n\n问：\n我去年问过您 Golden Spring\nNew York（纽约金泉）为什么代表您支付那份判决书，当时我指的是我\n的当事人 Cheng 先生（程先生）对您持有的\n那份判决书。\n我现在再次问您，Golden Spring\nNew York 为什么代表您支付那份判决书？\n\n答：\n那是借给的钱。\n\n问：\nGolden Spring 为什么借给您那笔钱？\n\n答：\n我没有任何东西，所以我向\n他们借钱。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7 提交 05/20/22\n录入 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 72 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n问：Golden Spring 的钱来自哪里？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Golden Spring 的任何资金来自哪里？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您的儿子拥有 Golden Spring，对吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：您的儿子欠您钱吗？\n\n答：不欠。\n\n问：您的儿子如何获得为 Golden Spring 提供资金的钱？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您是否曾向您儿子提供任何种子资金？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否曾投资于您儿子的任何企业？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：Connecticut（康涅狄格州）何时成为您的住所？\n\n答：2020 年 2 月末或 3 月初。\n\n问：好的。您对此确定吗？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：自 February, 2020 或 March, 2020 起，那是否一直是您的主要住所？\n\n答：是。\n\n问：一年前，我问过您是否拥有 Golden Spring New York 的任何\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7\n提交 05/20/22\n录入 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 73 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n问：\n权益。我现在再次问您。\n您是否拥有 Golden\nSpring New York 的任何权益？\n\n答：\n没有。\n\n问：\n一年前，我问过您是否是\nGolden Spring New York Limited（纽约金泉有限公司）的高级职员。我现在再次问您。\n您是否是 Golden Spring New York\nLimited 的高级职员？\n\n答：\n不是。\n\n问：\n一年前，我问过您 Golden\nSpring 为什么代表您支付 Aaron 律师，即 Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔），\n的费用。\n我现在再次问您，Golden\nSpring 为什么代表您支付 Aaron Mitchell 律师的费用？\n\n口译员：\n他要我重复\n翻译。我将为他翻译。\n\n答：\n一笔贷款。一笔贷款或借款。\n\n问：\n他们为什么向您提供那笔贷款？\n\n答：\n我一直向他们借钱，\n因为我是这个家族的一员。\n\n问：\n您是否曾将您从 Golden Spring 获得的任何贷款\n以书面形式记录？\n\n答：\n有些有，有些没有。\n\n问：\n好的。哪些以书面形式记录？\n\n答：\n我不记得了。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7 提交 05/20/22\n录入 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 74 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n问：您从 Golden Spring 获得过多少笔贷款？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：以书面形式记录的贷款中，有任何是英文的吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：有任何是中文的吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您是否曾为换取其中任何贷款而质押任何担保权益？\n\n答：（听不清），但我不记得\n（听不清）。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：您能否请用英文重复\n该回答？\n\n口译员：他说（听不清）\n是，但我不记得了。\n\n问：如果您不记得金额——如果您不记得您取得了多少笔贷款，您如何能够确定您在破产清单中\n欠他们多少？\n\n答：我没有完全听懂您的意思。\n\n问：如果您不知道您从 Golden Spring 取得过多少次贷款，其中并非全部都有书面记录，您如何知道您欠他们多少？\n\n答：我的律师和 Golden Spring 的律师\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7 提交 05/20/22 录入 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 75 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n答：\n他们彼此沟通。\n告诉我他们能够确定的\n金额是 21 million。\n\n问：\n那么 Golden Spring 的律师协助准备了\n您的破产申请书？\n这正确吗？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n抱歉打断。\n（听不清）\n两件事。\n\n答：\n没有。\n\n问：\n那么该信息是如何从 Golden\nSpring 进入您的破产申请书的？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n对该问题提出异议。\n\n口译员：\n抱歉？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我对该问题提出异议。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：我只是想弄清楚\n他不知道的这项信息如何出现在他的\n破产申请书中？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我认为您听到了回答，\n即他的律师和 Golden Spring 的律师讨论了\n此事。\n您还有其他问题吗？\n\n问：\n有。我怎么知道那个数字是\n正确的？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n好的。请先让口译员\n翻译，然后再提另一个问题。\n\n口译员：\n好的。\n请继续。\n\n问：\n您怎么知道那个数字是正确的？\n\n口译员：\n抱歉？\n什么数字？\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7 提交 05/20/22 录入 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 76 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n问：\n填入您破产申请书中、关于您据称欠 Golden\nSpring 的金额，您怎么知道那是正确的？\n\n答：\n我相信我的律师的专业能力。\n他们会审阅并核查所有数字。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n我是 Holley——\n\n问：\n您知道被审阅的文件吗？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n抱歉打断。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n现在是 2 点。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n抱歉打断。\n我是 Holley Claiborn（霍莉·克莱伯恩）。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n是的，感谢您\n以冗长发言来耗尽时间。\n感激不尽。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n抱歉。那是对谁说的？\n那是相当不恰当的\n评论。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n对你说的。是我对你\n说的。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n我想谈谈——\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n好的——\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n——下一个日期。我\n本来想建议我们于 April 4th\n上午 10:00 在 New Haven（纽黑文）的 U.S. Trustee's Office（美国受托人办公室）\n亲自恢复进行。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7\n提交 05/20/22\n录入 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 77 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我们会查看日程安排。如果您给我一秒钟，我\n可以开始这样做。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nBin，您能否请\n翻译一下？\n\n口译员：\n我想与您再次确认，\n您是否还需要我在线上待一会儿，还是您希望我退出？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n如果您能再继续\n一会儿。\n我们需要选定一个新日期，因此我需要\n您翻译此事，以便债务人理解。\n\n口译员：\n好的。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n抱歉。请求是——\n抱歉。请求是——我只是想\n确保我听清了——April 4 上午 10 点，在\nBridgeport（布里奇波特）？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nApril 4，上午 10 点，在 New\nHaven 的 U.S. Trustee's Office。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n好的。我们会很快\n回复您。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n实际上我现在就需要对此作出答复，\n因为我们需要能够通知债权人，并且我希望在我们\n今天结束之前所有人都知道。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n好的。我会让您稍候。\n\nHARBACH 先生：\nClaiborn 女士，我是 David\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7\n提交 05/20/22\n录入 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 78 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\nHARBACH 先生：\nHarbach。\n恐怕那一天对我们而言不合适？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nHarbach 先生，是您吗？\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n是的，女士。而且我正要\n说我可以在 Wednesday, the 6th，或\n此后的任何一天进行。\n但我无法在 the 4th 或 the\n5th 进行。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nFriday, April 8th 如何？\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我可以。 我是 David。\n我可以。\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n我是 Jay Wolman（杰伊·沃尔曼）。我可以\n那天进行。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nBaldiga 律师，您能否\n请核查 April 8th？\n\n（暂停。）\n\nHARBACH 先生：\nHolley，我又是 Dave Harbach\n了。只是预期他们会回复\n（听不清）。\n如果有参考价值的话，我也可以在（听不清）进行。\n如果那样更合适，\n我也可以在 March 的 28th、29 或 30 进行。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga。the 7th\n和 8th 是佛教节日，因此出于宗教\n原因，Kwok 先生不能在那些日子进行。我们会\n确认 the 4th。我确信有一些\n（听不清）。我想知道谁能够出席。\n\n案号 22-50073 文书 404-7 提交 05/20/22 录入 05/20/22 11:52:18 第 79 页，共\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n下周一 March 28th 如何？\n\nHARBACH 先生：\nHolley，我没有听到您关于\nthe 28th 所说内容的第二部分。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n我只是将 the 28th 提议为一个\n新日期。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我是 Bill Baldiga。28、29\n和 30 日，Kwok 先生有一个医疗问题，他在\n那些日子（听不清）。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\nFriday, April 15th 如何？\n\nHARBACH 先生：\n我是 David Harbach。那天\n对我们而言可以。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n那是耶稣受难日。对我而言是耶稣受难日，\n对许多人而言是逾越节。\n我能否建议（听不清）？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：\n我没有听到您的\n建议。抱歉。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我谨请求我们回到 April 4。\n十几名律师中的一名律师和一名\n债权人不应当——\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n我是 Jay Wolman。我那天也已经\n有安排了。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：\n我知道，但有\n（听不清）\n\nWOLMAN 先生：\n两名律师，包括我自己，\n\n1 正在进行询问的人。\n\n2 巴尔迪加先生（MR. BALDIGA）：\n好的。那么我们继续寻找。\n\n4 克莱伯恩女士（MS. CLAIBORN）：\n4月6日可以吗？\n\n5 沃尔曼先生（MR. WOLMAN）：\n刚才说的是哪一天？\n\n6 克莱伯恩女士：\n4月6日？\n\n7 哈巴赫先生（MR. HARBACH）：\n我是David Harbach。我4月6日可以。\n\n9 巴尔迪加先生：\n债务人也可以。\n\n10 身份不明者（UNIDENTIFIED）：\n我也可以。\n\n11 克莱伯恩女士：\n好的。我将定在4月6日上午10:00。线下面谈。在United States Trustee's Office（美国受托人办公室）纽黑文办事处。\n\n14 请预留通过安检的时间。我希望在10:00开始。\n\n16 巴尔迪加先生：\n请问您当天会预留多少时间，包括口译员的时间，以便我们安排？\n\n19 克莱伯恩女士：\n我认为你们应当预留全天时间，但我需要再跟进并了解口译员的安排情况，我现在手头没有这方面的信息。\n\n23 巴尔迪加先生：\n好的。会到5点钟吗？我想我们可以在结束后停止记录。\n\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n第 81 页，共\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - March 21, 2022\n\n1 结束这次会议。这显然由你决定。\n\n2 克莱伯恩女士：\n好的。我认为，就宾的口译服务而言，今天已经结束。\n\n5 口译员（THE INTERPRETER）：\n谢谢。\n\n6 克莱伯恩女士：\n非常感谢你，宾。\n\n7 口译员：\n祝您愉快。\n\n8 克莱伯恩女士：\n谢谢。\n\n9 我要停止录音，但我们可以继续在线上。我将停止录音。\n\n11 谢谢。\n\n12 （会议结束。）\n\n郭文贵 - March 21, 2022 83\n\n1 本人，CHRISTINE FIORE（克里斯廷·菲奥雷），经法院批准的文字记录员及经认证的电子法庭记录员和文字记录员，证明上述内容系根据上述案件诉讼程序的官方电子录音制作的正确文字记录。\n\n8 April 5, 2022\n9 Christine Fiore, CERT\n\n10 文字记录员\n案件 22-50073 文件 404-7\n提交于 05/20/22\n录入于 05/20/22 11:52:18\n83 第 83 页，共\n\n郭文贵 - March 21, 2022 82\n\n1 目录\n\n3 郭文贵 页码\n4 由克莱伯恩女士进行的询问 14\n5 由沃尔曼先生进行的询问 58","key_entities":["Kwok","Ho Wan Kwok","Guo","Chinese Communist Party","Je","CIPA"],"ecf_references":[{"doc_number":1,"court":"CTB"},{"doc_number":77,"court":"CTB"},{"doc_number":78,"court":"CTB"},{"doc_number":79,"court":"CTB"}],"word_count":21968,"status":"published","published_at":"2022-05-20 00:00:00","created_at":"2022-05-20","updated_at":"2026-08-23 22:22:23"}