{"id":"court_sdny_312_1","court":"SDNY","case_no":"23-cr-00118","doc_number":312,"sub_number":1,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2024-04-30","title":"EXHIBIT A | 1 |","summary_zh":"证物 —— 美国诉 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵 / Guo Wengui / Miles Guo）案，SDNY 1:23-cr-00118 ECF #312-1（2024-04-30 提交），系刑事案卷第 312 号文件所附“证物 A”。内容为康涅狄格州破产法院“Ho Wan Kwok 破产案”（案号 22-50073 (JAM)）中一份于 2022 年 11 月录制的证人录像证词笔录，标注为“高度机密”，受保护令约束，由速记员 Cheryll Kerr 记录整理。","summary_en":"Exhibit — United States v. Ho Wan Kwok (Miles Guo / Guo Wengui), SDNY 1:23-cr-00118, ECF #312-1 (filed 2024-04-30), \"Exhibit A\" attached to criminal docket entry 312. It is a videotaped deposition transcript, recorded in November 2022, taken in the related bankruptcy case In re Ho Wan Kwok (U.S. Bankruptcy Court, D. Conn., No. 22-50073 (JAM)), marked \"Highly Confidential\" and subject to a protective order, transcribed by court reporter Cheryll Kerr.","body_en":"# **EXHIBIT A**\n\n| 1 | | Page 1 |\n|------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| 2 | | |\n| ന | UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT
BRIDGEPORT DIVISION | |\n| 4 | X | |\n| 5 | Chapter 11
IN RE: | |\n| 6 | Case No: 22-50073 (JAM)
HO WAN KWOK, | |\n| 7 | Debtor. | |\n| 8 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
X | |\n| 9 | | |\n| 10 | | |\n| 11 | VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF | |\n| 12 | Seven Times Square | |\n| 13 | New York, New York | |\n| 1 4 | | |\n| 15 | November 11, 2022 | |\n| 16 | 9:23
a.m. | |\n| 17 | | |\n| 18 | * HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL * | |\n| 1 ਰੇ | | |\n| 20 | This transcript portions contains information subject | |\n| 21 | to a Protective Order and shall be used only in | |\n| 22 | accordance therewith. | |\n| 23 | | |\n| 24 | Reported By: | |\n| 25 | Cheryll Kerr, CSR
Job No. 219537 | |\n| | | |\n\n| | | | Page 2 | | | Page 3 |\n|-------------|-------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------|-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------|--------|\n| 1 | | | | トー | | |\n| ୍ୟ | | UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT | | 2 | APPEARANCES : | |\n| | DISTRICL OF CONNECTICUL | | | 3
125 | COUNSEL FOR DEBTOR AND THE WITNESS:
ZEISLER & ZEISLER, P.C. | |\n| ਤੇ | BRIDGEPORT DIVISION | | | | BY: ERIC HEMZY, ESQ. | |\n| ച്ച് | | ****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** | | ് | 10 Middle Street | |\n| | IN RE: | Chapter 11 | | | Bridgeport, CT 06604 | |\n| 5 | | | | ్
7 | | |\n| | HO WAN KWOK, | Case No. 22-50073 (JAB) | | ഒ | COUNSEL FOR CHAPTER 11 TRUSTEE : | |\n| 6 | | | | 9 | PAUL HASTINGS, LLP | |\n| | | Debtor. | | | AVRAM LUFT, ESQ.
BY: | |\n| 7 | | | | 1 (1 | BY: NICHOLAS BASSETT, ESQ. | |\n| | | ****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** | | 1 i | LUC DESPINS, ESQ.
BY:
BY: NEWLONG ZHUGE, ESQ. | |\n| B | | | | | 200 Park Avenue | |\n| 9 | | | | 12 | New York, NY York 10166 | |\n| 10 | | | | 13 | | |\n| 11 | | VIDEOTABED DEPOSITION OF
offices of Brown Rudnick, LLP, located at Seven Times | held at the | 1 में | COUNSEL FOR PACIFIC ALLIANCE: | |\n| 12 | | 13 Square, New York, New York, before Cheryll Kerr, CSR, a | | 15 | | |\n| | | 14 Certified Shorthand Reporter and a Notary Public, on | | | ОТЕГЛЕМУ & МЛЕКС. ГГР | |\n| 15 | | Friday, November 11, 2022, at 9:23 a.m. | | 1 6 | BY: STUART SARNOFF, ESQ. | |\n| 16 | | | | 17 | Seven Times Square
New York, NY 10036 | |\n| 17 | | | | 1 8 | | |\n| । ਉ | | * HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL * | | ਹੈ ਕਿ | | |\n| 1 ਕੇ | | | | | Also Present : | |\n| ನ್ನೂ ನಿರ್ | | | | 20 | | |\n| 21 | | | | 22 | Jingyi Wang, Chinese interpreter;
Edwin Arlequin, videographer | |\n| 22 | | | | 22 | ****
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3 | INDEX (Cont.) | |\n| 3 | EXAMINATION BY | | PAGE | 4 | REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION | |\n| ਪ੍ਰੋ | | Direct examination by Mr. Luft | ି | ്വ | DESCRIPTION | PAGE |\n| ് | | Cross-examination by Mr. Henzy | 138 | టి | Production of audio and email Ms. Francis sent | 55 |\n| ్ | | Redirect examination by Mr. Luft | 140 | ్ | witness with the electronic transcript | |\n| 7 | | | | ಿದ | | |\n| ్రా | | EXHIBITS | | | Production of email | 57 |\n| | | | | ੈ। | | |\n| ್ರ | FOR ID | DESCRIPTION | PAGE | 1 0 | NOIK
Production of copies of | े में |\n| 10 | Exhibit 1 | Debtor's Objection to Motion | 21 | 1 İ | with regard to her opinions as well | |\n| 1.1. | | of Chapter 11 Trustee for Entry | | 12 | | |\n| 1.2 | | of Order Holding Debtor in Civil | | | Production of emails witness described between | 137 |\n| | | | | 13 | | |\n| 1.3 | | Contempt for Failure to Comply | | | herself and Ms. Francis and any other counsel | |\n| 1. 4 | | with Corporate Governance Rights | | 1 4 | | |\n| 15 | | Order | | | representative of Mr. Kwok | |\n| 1. ប | Exhibit 2 | Transcript of Telephonic 341 | 104 | 15 | | |\n| 17 | | Meeting of Creditors dated | | 16 | | |\n| 18 | | March Z1, Z02Z | | 1.7 | | |\n| 19 | Exhibit 3 | Transcript of Continued | 104 | ી. કે | | |\n| ಸಿರ | | 341 Meeting of Creditors | | 1 4 | | |\n| 21 | | dated April 6, 2022 | | 20 | | |\n| 22 | | | | 21 | | |\n| 23 | | | | 22 | | |\n| 24 | | | | 23 | | |\n| 25 | | (Continued on the next page) | | 24
ನ ನ | | |\n\nPage 6 Page 7 l - Highly Confidential 1 Highly Confidential 2 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. This is 2 trustee. 3 3 the start of media labeled No. 1 of the video MR. HENZY: Eric Henzy, Zeisler & 4 recorded deposition of 4 Zeisler. I'm at this deposition on behalf of 5 5 matter In Re: Ho Wan Kwok. 5 5 This deposition is being held at Brown THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Will the court 7 7 Rudnick, LLP, Seven Times Square, Floor 47, reporter please swear in the witness? 8 ్రా New York, New York, on November 11, 2022 at MR. HENZY: Can first may I make a 9 ్ర approximately 9:23 a.m. statement on the record? 10 10 My name is Edwin Arlequin. I am the Pursuant to paragraph 15 of the legal video specialist from TSG Reporting, 11 11 protective order entered in this case, I am 12 Inc., headquartered at 228 East 45th Street, 12 designating this deposition transcript and all 13 13 Suite 810, New York, New York 10017. exhibits as designated material and, given the 14 14 The court reporter is Cheryll Kerr, in timeline, as highly confidential. 15 association with TSG Reporting. Counsel, 15 MR. LUFT: Sorry, We do not concede that 15 please introduce yourselves. ો ર this material will be highly confidential or 17 17 MR. LUFT: Avi Luft, of Paul Hastings, on properly designated. 18 18 behalf of the Chapter 11 trustee in In Re: Ho After the deposition, an assessment can 19 Wan Kwok. 19 be made based on what is actually testified 20 20 MR. BASSETT: Nick Bassett, from Paul to. 21 Hastings, also on behalf of the Chapter 11 21 22 22 trustee. 23 MR. ZHUGE: Wenlong Zhuge, Paul Hastings, 23 called as a witness, having been duly 24 24 also on behalf of the Chapter 11 trustee. sworn, was examined and testified 25 25 MR. DESPINS: Luc Despins, Chapter 11 as follows: Page 8 Page 9 1 1 - Highly Confidential - Highly Confidential 2 2 THE SHORTHAND REPORTER: Thank you. ್ಲ. I am going to ask you a question. 3 3 Please proceed, Counsel. A. Uh-huh . 4 4 ੁੰ. If for any reason you don't understand the 5 5 DIRECT EXAMINATION question I've asked, please let me know if it's unclear. ్ర BY MR. LUFT: రు Is that okay? 7 7 A. Okay. B ි Good morning, I wow are you? If you don't tell me something's unclear, I 0. ். 9 Good morning. Fine, thank you. ్ర will assume that you understand my question. Is that ri 10 10 ். My name is Avi Luft. I am an attorney for okay? 11 the Chapter 11 trustee. Have you ever been deposed 11 A. Okay. 12 before? 12 Periodically, Mr. Henzy may decide he has an ੋ. 13 ri, No. 13 a objection to one of my questions. He may interpose an 14 Okay, so the first thing I'm going to । ਪੈ objection. ். 15 mention, just so you know, is you just shook your head, 15 That's fine. Okay? 16 ો ર and the court reporter needs all answers to be audible. Д. Okay. 17 17 માં Uh-huh . ു. Unless Mr. Henzy instructs you not to answer 18 ਂ. So even if I can see you, she may ask you or 18 my question, despite the fact he may have made an 19 15 I may ask you to repeat and answer if there's not an objection, you may proceed to answer my question. 20 20 audible answer. A. Yes . Is that okay? 21 21 ्. Is that okay? 22 22 A. ਕੇ, Okay. Okay. 23 23 So why don't we go over some limit flares ். Have you attended depositions before? ਂ. 24 about how a deposition works? 24 д. Yes. 25 25 A. Okay. ். So you have some familiarity, and I apologize\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 10 | | Fage 11 |\n|-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| న | if this is redundant. | 2 | to review. |\n| 3 | It's fine.
ri | 3 | THE SHORTHAND REPORTER: Okay. |\n| 4 | Okay. If for some reason today you need to
் | 4 | MR. HENZY: Thank you. |\n| 5 | take a break, I'd ask that you let me know, and if it's | 5 | MR. LUFT: Great. |\n| ్ | a convenient time, we will do so. | 5 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 7 | A.
Okay. | ﻟﺴﺎ | Is there any reason you can't give truthful
্ট |\n| 8 | If not, I'll try to get one to you as quickly | ్రా | testimony today? |\n| 9 | C
as I can. | 9 | A.
No. |\n| | | 10 | |\n| 10 | Is that okay? | | Terrific. And you understand that you're
். |\n| 11 | A.
Okay . | 11 | under oath? |\n| 12 | The one thing I ask is that if I have a
் | 12 | A.
Yes . |\n| 13 | question pending to you, that you answer the question | 13 | ்.
Could you just state your name for the |\n| । ਹੈ | before we take any break. | ાં તે | record? |\n| 15 | ri,
Yes. | 15 | A. |\n| 16 | ੂੰ -
Okay? | 16 | ू.
And your address? |\n| 17 | යි අධි
Okay . | 17 | A. |\n| 18 | ा
Great. | 18 | ू .
are you represented by counsel |\n| 19 | I will also do my best not to talk over you or at | 19 | today? |\n| 20 | the same time you're talking, and I'll ask you to do the | 20 | A.
res. |\n| 21 | same, because it's very hard for the court reporter. Is | 21 | Who is that?
். |\n| 22 | that okay? | 22 | A.
Mr. Eric Henzy. |\n| 23 | A.
Okay. | ਨਤੇ | (Pause.) |\n| 24 | ू .
Okay . | ਟ ਕੇ | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 25 | MR. HENZY: The last thing is we do want | 25 | Okay. Do you know if Mr. Henzy represents
် |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 12 | | Page 13 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | anyone else in this matter? | 2 | MR. LUFT: What is the privilege? |\n| 3 | ਸ .
I am not entirely sure. | રે | MR. HENZY: It -- how became -- came |\n| 4 | Are you paying for Mr. Henzy's service today?
ুট | 4 | to be represented by me was based on |\n| 5 | ri
No. | 5 | conversations I had with . So -- |\n| ్ర | Who is paying for Mr. Henzy's service?
ું. | 5 | MR. LUFT: But they are not legal advice, |\n| 7 | I have no idea.
ি . | 7 | right? |\n| B | (Thereupon, an informal discussion was | ു | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ੀ। | held off the record with the shorthand | 150 | ்.
I just want to know how you came to the |\n| 10 | reporter. ) | 10 | decision -- |\n| 11 | THE WITNESS: I said I really have no | 11 | MR. HENZY: A client's decision to be |\n| 12 | idea. | 12 | represented or not represented involves legal |\n| 13 | BY MR. LUFT: | 13 | advice. |\n| । पे | How did Mr. Henzy come to represent you?
் | । ਪੈ | MR. LUFT: Okay. |\n| 15 | aj
I was -- | 15 | MR. HENZY: Okay. |\n| 16 | MR. HENZY: I'm going to, actually, | ો છ | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 17 | object. That -- | 17 | When was the first time you spoke to
ः |\n| 18 | Objection, based on privilege, so you | ાં કે | Mr. Henzy? |\n| । ਕੇ | don't need to answer the question. | । ਤੇ | MR. LUFT: I don't -- |\n| 20 | THE WITNESS: Okay. | 20 | By the way, my \"okay\" was not agreement |\n| 21 | MR. LUFT: I'm sorry. | 21 | with you. I'm just moving on. |\n| 22 | | 22 | MR. HENZY: Okay. |\n| 23 | So you're instructing -- are you | 23 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | instructing not to answer? | 24 | |\n| 24
25 | MR. HENZY: I'm instructing
answer. | 25 | When did you first speak to Mr. Henzy?
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் |\n| 4 | (Pause . ) | 4 | means? |\n| 5 | THE WITNESS: You know, I actually cannot | (JT | A.
I did not contact Mr. Henzy. |\n| ్ | be sure. | 5 | ்
Okay. Did Mr. Henzy contact you? |\n| 7 | BY MR. LUFT: | 1 | MR. HENZY: So objection on privilege. |\n| ్రం | Q. What's your best recollection of when you | ్రం | MR. LUFT: It's a \"yes\" or \"no\" question. |\n| 9 | first spoke to Mr. Henzy? | 9 | MR. HENZY: You can arque, Avi. |\n| 10 | A. I cannot be sure whether it is within this | 10 | I get it, but I'll instruct the witness |\n| 11 | week or last week. | 11 | not to answer. |\n| 12 | Did you reach out to Mr. Henzy for
: Ci | 12 | MR. LUFT: But I don't want to have a |\n| 13 | representation initially? | 13 | deposition where I have -- it's an improper |\n| । ਹੈ | MR. HENZY: Objection. | 14 | objection. |\n| 15 | Same objection. Attorney-client | 15 | MR. HENZY: Okay. That's fine. |\n| 16 | privilege. How came to be represented? | 15 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 17 | THE WITNESS: No. | 17 | Did Mr. Henzy contact you? |\n| 18 | | 18 | ું. |\n| 19 | MR. HENZY: You can -- you can -- you can | 1 9 | MR. HENZY: Okay. |\n| | claim it with the judge.
BY MR. LUFT: | 20 | And objection. I'm going to instruct you |\n| 20 | | | not to answer. |\n| 21 | Q. All I'm asking is: Did you call Mr. Henzy or | 21 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22 | did Mr. Henzy call you initially? | 22 | ்.
Do you -- |\n| 23 | A.
No -- | ਨਤੇ | Are you going to follow your counsel's instruction? |\n| 24 | MR. HENZY: You can answer. | ੇ ਪੈ | I think I should.
র্নাট্মান বিষয়ে বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ের প্রায় প্রতিষ্ঠান কর্মকর্তার প্রতিষ্ঠান কর্মকর্তার প্রতিষ্ঠান করে বিশ্বের প্রায় প্রতিষ্ঠান করে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পা |\n| 25 | THE WITNESS: No telephone calls. | 25 | MR. HENZY: Are -- are you going to ask |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 16 | | Page 17 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | not to follow her counsel's instruction? | 2 | Henzy's firm. |\n| 3 | Are you going to give her advice? | 3 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| دلو | MR. LUFT: No, Eric. The way it works is | 4 | Who from Mr. Henzy's firm contacted you?
். |\n| 5 | if you give an instruction, I have to ask | 5 | MR. HENZY: Objection. I -- same |\n| ్ర | if going to follow it. | ் | objection. |\n| 7 | MR. HENZY: And :- said -- and | ﻟﻤﺴﺎﺣﺔ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮ | MR. LUFT: I'm just asking for a name. |\n| B | answered -- | 8 | MR. HENZY: Understand. Understand. |\n| 9 | (Thereupon, an informal discussion was | 15 | Objection, privilege. I'm going to |\n| 10 | held off the record with the shorthand | 10 | instruct and not to answer. |\n| 11 | reporter. ) | 11 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12 | MR. HENZY: Okay. | 12 | Are you going to follow your counsel's
ું. |\n| 13 | MR. LUFT: I didn't give any advice. | 13 | instruction? |\n| 1 पें | Please don't mischaracterize what I said. | । ਪੈ | A.
les. |\n| 15 | MR. HENZY: Okay. | 15 | Was it someone from Mr. Henzy's firm who
ું. |\n| 16 | BY MR. LUFT: | ો છ | initially contacted you or someone else? |\n| 17 | So I'll ask you again:
் | 17 | Mr. Henzy's firm.
A. |\n| 18 | Are you going to follow your counsel's instruction | 18 | ்.
Was it a lawyer at Mr. Henzy's firm? |\n| 19 | not to answer? | 1 ਤੇ | I think so. I'm not sure.
ri |\n| 20 | A.
les. | 20 | (Pause.) |\n| 21 | ்.
Okay. Did Mr. Henzy contact you by phone? | 21 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 22 | គ្រឿ
No. | 22 | Did they offer to represent you?
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Did he contact you by email? | 23 | MR. HENZY: Objection, attorney-client |\n| 24 | (Pause.) | 24 | privilege. I'm instructing you not to answer. |\n| 25 | THE WITNESS: I was contacted by Mr. | 25 | |\n| | Page 18 | | Fage 19 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | (Indistinguishable crosstalk.) | 2 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 3 | MR. LUFT: I'm speaking before you have | 3 | Q. Do you have any idea who is paying for |\n| 4 | any relationship with the witness. I'm just | 4 | Mr. Henzy's services today? |\n| 5 | asking if you approached wand offered to | 5 | MR. HENZY: Objection, asked and |\n| ా | represent . That's not giving advice. | రా | answered. |\n| 7 | MR. HENZY: I've objected and instructed | 〜J | THE WITNESS: No. |\n| 8 | not to answer. | ్రా | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 9 | BI MR. LUFT: | 9 | Do you know if Mr. Henzy's client, Miles
் |\n| 10 | Q. Are you going to follow your counsel's | 10 | Kwok, is paying for his services today? |\n| 11 | instruction? | 11 | I don't know.
A. |\n| 12 | A.
Yes. | 12 | Do you know if a member of Mr. Kwok's family
் |\n| 13 | Did Mr. Henzy's firm tell you who would pay
رُ | 13 | is paying for Mr. Henzy's services today? |\n| । ਹੈ | for his services? | । चै | I don't know.
ਕਿ . |\n| 15 | A.
No. | 15 | (Pause.) |\n| 16 | Do you know if you are responsible for paying
் | 16 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 17 | for his services today? | 17 | How did you first come to be involved in this
्रं |\n| 18 | I don't know if I'm responsible. I'm not
প্রায় প্রতিষ্ঠান কর্ম | 18 | issue? |\n| 19 | going to pay. | ો કે | MR. HENZY: Objection. |\n| 20 | Did you tell Mr. Henzy?
். | 20 | THE WITNESS: What issue? |\n| 21 | ar
res. | 21 | MR. HENZY: Vague, ambiguous. |\n| 22 | ்
Okay . | 22 | MR. LUFT: That's fine. |\n| ೭3 | I don't think I should pay.
A. | ਨੌਤੇ | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| ੇ ਹੋ | (Pause.) | ਡ ਕੇ | Q. Is it your intention to give testimony at the |\n| 25 | | 25 | contempt hearing next week? |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 20 | | Page 21 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | l | - Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | A.
I don't know. | 2 | a copy of Debtor's Objection to Motion of |\n| 3 | MR. HENZY: Objection. Objection. | (ఎ | Chapter 11 Trustee for Entry of Order Holding |\n| 4 | Vague, ambiguous, but -- | 4 | Debtor in Civil Contempt for Failure to Comply |\n| 5 | THE WITNESS: I don't know. | 5 | with Corporate Governance Rights Order. |\n| ్ర | MR. HENZY: Is it it intention? | ు | (Thereupon, a document was marked by the |\n| 7 | I'm not -- I'm not -- I don't -- I'm not | ﻟﺘﻨﺎ | Exhibit 1 for
shorthand reporter as |\n| B | trying to make speaking objections, Avi. I'm | ్రె | identification.) |\n| ੀ। | not, but I think it's vague. | 15 | (An informal discussion was held off the |\n| 10 | BY MR. LUFT: | 10 | record.) |\n| 11 | Do you know what the word \"intention\" means?
ं | 11 | MR. HENZY: One second, Avi. I don't |\n| 12 | I know the word \"intention.\"
ਕਿ . | 12 | think there's any question. |\n| 13 | ু .
Okay. | 13 | MR. LUFT: Do you want to go off the |\n| 14 | But I can answer your question --
A. | । ਉ | record? |\n| 15 | ்.
Please. | 15 | MR. HENZY: I want to go off the record. |\n| 16 | -- for the question you just asked. I didn't
તે. | 16 | MR. LUFT: I'm good. |\n| 11 | know there was a hearing. | 17 | Just let me lay this foundation, and we |\n| 18 | Okay. Has anyone spoken to you about giving
ે. | । ਉ | can go. We can take a break. I just want to |\n| 19 | testimony before the court? | । ਤੇ | ask quick question, just to finish my |\n| 20 | A.
About? | 20 | thought. |\n| 21 | Q. In connection with the contempt motion that | 21 | MR. HENZY: Okay. There's no question |\n| 22 | we are here about today. | 22 | pending, and I want to talk to my client. |\n| 23 | ai
No. | 23 | There's no question pending. |\n| ನಿಕ
25 | No? Okay.
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25 | MR. LUFT: Well, there is. I put an
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Okay. Okay and on the | 5 | Okay. Are you planning to offer testimony at
். |\n| 1 | turn to page 11 of the Debtor's Objection to Motion of | 7 | the hearing on this contempt motion as to the \"many |\n| 8 | Chapter 11 Trustee for Entry of Order Holding Debtor in | ರ್ | material deficiencies\" in the official translation of |\n| ੀ। | Civil Contempt for Failure to Comply with Corporate | ್ತಾ | the 341 meeting? |\n| 10 | Governance Rights Order, which is marked as Exhibit 1. | 10 | A. As far as I know, that I'm only here to be |\n| 11 | Do you see the first full sentence on the top of | 11 | deposed today. |\n| 12 | page II says: | 12 | No one has spoken to you about offering any
் |\n| । ਤੇ | \"At any hearing on the motion, debtor will put on | 13 | other testimony at the hearing? |\n| । ਜੋ | testimony from an interpreter as to the many material | । ਪੈ | র্না
No, I don't think so. |\n| 15 | deficiencies in the official translation of the 341 | 15 | ू.
Okay. Do you know -- |\n| JE | meeting\"? | 16 | ជុំ
Hang -- |\n| 17 | Do you see that? | 17 | ్ర.
-- what -- |\n| । 8 | res.
् द् | 18 | Hang on. I don't think so, but maybe my
दों |\n| 1 9 | Q. Are you the interpreter referenced in this | 19 | memory is at fault. |\n| 20 | paragraph? | 20 | Well, the hearing's Tuesday.
். |\n| 21 | (Pause.) | 21 | A.
Yeah. |\n| 22 | MR. HENZY: Objection. | 22 | Has anyone asked you to give testimony -- be
் |\n| 23 | THE WITNESS:
I -- | ਨ ਤੋਂ ਤੇ | in Connecticut to give testimony in court on Tuesday? |\n| ਨ ਹੈ | MR. HENZY: Well, objection. | 24 | I can't remember. I don't think so, but --
A. |\n| 25 | It's vaque and ambiquous, but you can | 25 | you know. Like I said, maybe my memory is at fault. |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 24 | | Page 25 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | Do you have other plans on Tuesday?
्रं - | 2 | ્ર
Okay . |\n| 3 | I'm going to be the interpreter. I don't
ಕೆ. | స్త | A.
That is -- that I was not testifying. |\n| 4 | know whether I'll be asked to give testimony. | 4 | Sorry. I don't -- I didn't mean it to be a
் |\n| 5 | You don't recall if anyone's asked you to do
ว่ | 5 | negative. Sorry. |\n| ్ర | that? | ் | I'm just asking if you are going to testify on |\n| 7 | I can't exactly remember.
ি : | ﻟﺴ | behalf of Mr. Kwok on Tuesday. |\n| B | MR. LUFT: Okay. Why don't we take -- | రం | 4.
res. |\n| 9 | give you your break right now? | ್ | 0.
Very good. Good. Now we're on the same |\n| 10 | MR. HENZY: Okay. | 10 | page. |\n| 11 | MR. LUFT: We can go off the record. | 11 | MR. HENZY: got the -- got the -- got it. I |\n| 12 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:39 a.m. | 12 | didn't, but it's good. We're okay. |\n| 13 | We're going off the record. | 13 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| । पै | (Recess taken at 9:40 a.m.) | । पै | I'm going to ask you to look
். |\n| 15 | (Resumed at 9:45 a.m.) | 15 | back at Exhibit 1, same page, page 11. |\n| 16 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 9:45 a.m. | ો રે | A.
Uh-huh . |\n| 17 | We're back on the record. | 17 | When did you first tell counsel for Mr. Kwok
2. |\n| 18 | BY MR. LUFT: | 1 8 | that there are many material deficiencies in the |\n| । ਭੇ | I understand you've had a
्र , | । ਤੇ | translation of the 341 meeting? |\n| 20 | chance to speak with your counsel. | 20 | (Pause.) |\n| 21 | Yes .
A. | 21 | THE WITNESS: Do you mind if I ask you to |\n| 22 | Is it your understanding that you will not be
. 2 | 22 | clarify one thing for me? |\n| 23 | testifying at the hearing on Tuesday on behalf of | 23 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 24
25 | Mr. Kwok?
No, that is not my understanding.
A. | 24
25 | Of course.
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This is asking about -- you're asking me when
A. |\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 26 | | Fage 27 |\n|------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| న | I was -- when I first time told Mr. Kwok about the | 2 | (Pause.) |\n| 3 | deficiencies on the material of the translation -- | ప్ | THE WITNESS: I cannot be exact on the |\n| 4 | Sorry, Let me try it again.
் | 4 | time or the date. |\n| 5 | ন,
Okay. | 5 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 5 | Okay, so the first sentence of the debtor's | 5 | |\n| | ் | 〜J | What's your best recollection?
் |\n| 1 | pleading on page 11 is \"At any hearing on the motion, | | (Pause . ) |\n| 8 | the debtor will put on testimony from an interpreter as | ్రం | THE WITNESS: I really cannot remember. |\n| 9 | to the many material deficiencies in the official | 9 | I'm sorry. |\n| 10 | translation of the 341 meeting.\" | 10 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11 | My understand is that you are that interpreter. Is | 11 | ்
Was it within the past week? |\n| 12 | that your understanding? | 12 | The first time, probably not.
A. |\n| 13 | धं
Yes. | 13 | Was it before someone from Mr. Henzy's firm
். |\n| । ਹੈ | ू .
Okay. My question is: | । पै | contact you about representing you? |\n| 15 | When did you first tell counsel for the debtor that | 15 | Prior to that.
ਰੰ |\n| TP | there were many material deficiencies in the official | 16 | (Pause . ) |\n| 17 | translation of the 341 meeting? | 17 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 18 | ন
At that 341 meeting, | 18 | How did you let Mr. Kwok's counsel at the --
; < |\n| 1 9 | Okay. You told counsel for the debtor at the
ﺰ | 19 | at the time of the 341 hearing know that there were many |\n| 20 | time that there were many material deficiencies? | 20 | material deficiencies in the translation? |\n| 21 | ి.
res. | 21 | In the first place, I was raising dispute to
यं कि वर्ष के साथ संस्था कि में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में म |\n| 22 | Okay. When did you first tell debtor's
். | 22 | the interpreting at the time when the official |\n| 23 | current counsel that there were many material | ਨੌਤੇ | interpreter was interpreting. |\n| 24 | deficiencies in the official translation of the 341 | 24 | Okay. So when you heard a material
ر |\n| 25 | meeting? | 25 | deficiency, you let the official translator know? |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 28 | | Page 29 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | Everyone -- you know, just everyone in the
A. . | | BI FR. ICHE |\n| 3 | room would know, yes. | | Q. Okay. |\n| 4 | Okay. I'll make it broader.
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Un-hun. |\n| | 9 A . A. A. Yeah. | | 9 = = |\n| | 10 --- Q. -- the official translator? | | 10 counsel for Mr. Kwok at the time, to make a comment? |\n| | 11 A. A. Yes. | | 11 - A. A. Yes - |\n| | 12 Q Q Okay. Is there any other way -- | | 12 Q Q Okay. |\n| | 13 - 1 - 1 - 1 MR. LUFT: Let me strike that. | | 13 -- A. -- noping he would. |\n| | 14 BI MR. IUFI: | | 14 - Q. Q. And at the times where I can see your |\n| | 15 Q Q Were there material deficiencies in the | | 15 \"private interpreter\" reference in the transcript -- |\n| | 16 transcript that you heard that you said nothing about? | | 15 - A. A. Rigar, |\n| | 17 Super ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Fause . ) - | | 17 Q. Q. - those were the times when you were making |\n| | | | |\n| | 18 | | 18 statements? |\n| | 19 \"material\" is for me -- probably is different | | 19 A. A. Right. |\n| | 20 - 1 - 1 - Ircm what you chink material, but for me | | 20 = Q. Okay. Then the periods where I don't see you |\n| | 21 There were a number of things happening | | 21 making statements, it's possible you were passing |\n| | 22 at that that meeting, and at some point, I switched | | 22 notes -- |\n| | 23 to telling out loud about the -- my dispute to | | 23 - A. Right, |\n| | 24 how handing a note to the counsel about my
25 dispute. | | 24 Q -- Q. -- to Mr. Baldiga?
25 - A. A. Right. |\n\nPage 30 Fage 31 1 - Highly Confidential 1 - Highly Confidential 2 Q. And when did that switch happen? 2 A. A. Yes. 3 ( 3 = Q Q. Okay, so it wasn't == 4 THE WITNESS: I think at one point, a\n4 It is not the case that you were going back and 5 . . . . . . . . comment was made that there were too many 5 forth? 6 6 interruptions -6 You just made a decision at one point, and then 7 BY MR. LUFT: 7 - once that happened, you switched to the notes? 8 - - - - Q. - Un-huh. 8 9 to A. A. -- as my purpose in court was to check, not 9 the majority of times, 10 - to disrupt or interrupt, then I thought perhaps that I 10 . . But when there was something that I really cannot, 11 hold onto -ll should be a bit more discrete about my disputes, so I 12 switched to handing notes. 12 ------- uh-hua. 13 13 14 - what exact action, I don't remember. 14 - that I need to say, perhaps really critical, I would --15 Q. Okay. Just so I'm clear abcut it --15 and like I -- like what is described here, permaps is 16 A A. Un-huh. 16 material, then I probably would just raise it out loud. 17 -- Q. -- there was a point where you made the 17 Okay. That's helpful. ். 18 18 decision to switch --Okay. What did you do to prepare for this । ਰੇ 19 deposition? 20 20 A. I spoke with my counsel. 21 - A. A. Yes. 21 When did you meet with your counsel? ். 22 22 Q - Q. - to passing notes? A. We did not meet. 23 - 1. 1. Yes. 23 0. When did you speak to your counsel? 24 24 A. Yesterday. 25 was? 25 How long did you speak to him? 2. Page 32 Page 33 - Highly Confidential 1 1 - Highly Confidential 2 2 MR. HENZY: Objection, privilege. BY MR. LUFT: 3 3 MR. LUFT: How long you met is not ं are you going to follow your 4 4 privileged. counsel's advice not to answer? 5 5 MR. HENZY: I'm going to instruct you not Yes. Counsel, do you mind if I add one more A. ్ర రు to answer. thing from my previous answer? 7 7 MR. LUFT: On what grounds? 0. Sure. B ြိ MR. HENZY: Attorney-client privilege. MR. HENZY: Do --9 MR. INFT: How long you met is ్ర THE WITNESS: I'm sorry. 10 10 privileged? MR. LUFT: That's okay. 11 MR. HENZY: Could be, yeah, absolutely. 11 MR. HENZY: Which answer? 12 Yep. What -- I have no idea why you want to 12 I don't think on that answer. I think on 13 know that. 13 the question you asked before. 14 But I'm claiming the privilege, Avi, and । ਹੈ MR. LUFT: I'm fine with I answering whatever ====wants to. 15 I'm instructing the witness not to answer, and 15 16 MR. HENZY: That's fine. you can --ોર 17 THE WITNESS: When I said that -- you MR. LUFT: Okay. 17 18 18 - - - - -MR. HENZY: You can pursue whatever you asked me about switching from notes to verbal 19 19 to dispute, and I said that when I really -need to pursue. 20 20 - there was schething that I cannot hold onto, MR. LUFT: Okay. I'll make a statement 21 if it's something material, I would probably 21 that I think these privilege objections, 22 22 say it out loud. especially this one, are completely proper --23 23 But that is not to say that I won't MR. HENZY: Okay. 24 MR. LUFT: -- and just obstructing the 24 - Bometimes maybe find a situation four 25 25 = appropriate for ne to hand a note to deposition.\n\n| | Page 34 | | Fage 35 |\n|----------|------------------------------------------------------------|-------|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| న | Mr. Baldiga that could be material as well -- | N | A number of things happened at one time, |\n| en | BY PR. LCFT: | | 3 |\n| | 4 - Q. Q. Okay. | | 4 4 mm exactly remember. |\n| | 5 = | (၂) | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| | 6 Q. Q. Was there ever an instance where you thought | 5 | How clear is your recollection of the 341
் |\n| | 7 there was a material deficiency in the translation where | ﻟﺴﻨﺔ | meetings? |\n| | 8 - you dicht tell Mr. Baltiga or say scmething? | 00 | A. Not -- I don't remember everything, but I |\n| | 9 A . I don't think so, but -- | 9 | remember some significant moment. |\n| | | 10 | |\n| | 10 That day was a little bit confusing, chactic at | | ்.
What was that significant moment? |\n| | Il times, so I cannot be sure, but I don't think so. | 11 | A. Significant moments would be a certain point |\n| 12 | . Do you recall times where you asked | 12 | that was -- like I said, there was -- there was a |\n| 13 | Mr. Baldiga to make an objection and he refused? | 13 | chactic moment. I remember that, but I don't remember |\n| 1 में कर | A. It was not my position to ask anyone to make | ાં તે | everything said. |\n| | lo an objection. I handed nim the note. He's the counsel. | 15 | I remember there was such a moment, and I remember |\n| | 16 -- He could decide when and where -- when and -- when | 1 p | certain disputes that I raised. I don't remember every |\n| 12 | to make that objection or whether he's going to make an | 17 | dispute I raised, but I remember some -- some such |\n| | 18 - objection. I handed him the note -- you know. | 18 | moments. |\n| 1999 | . Q. . Do you recall any times when you handed | 1 9 | Q. Can you tell me your best recollection of the |\n| | 20 Mr. Baldiga a note that schething was mistranslated and | 20 | chaotic moment you described? |\n| | 21 he dian't make an objection on the record about it? | 21 | The chaotic moment was that the official
খে |\n| | Pause.) | 22 | interpreter made an error in his interpreting and it was |\n| | 23 . THE WITNESS: I can't quite remember | ਨ ਤੇ | so apparent that even Ms. Claiborne noticed that, and -- |\n| | 24 = exactly, and as I was saying, that day -- at | ੇ ਕੇ | But during that -- the interpretation and |\n| 25 | some point, it was a bit chactic, so | 25 | |\n| | | | Ms. Claiborne's raising the issue, there were a number |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 36 | | Page 37 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 67 | of things said in between and -- and still there was | 2 | a chaotic moment? |\n| 3 | some interpretation made, so -- you know, that -- that | ్ర | A.
Yes . |\n| ਪ੍ਰੈ | was the chaotic moment, I thought. | 4 | Okay. You don't recall which date it was
். |\n| న | Q. Was that at the March 21st hearing or the | 5 | on --- |\n| ్రా | April 6th 341 hearing? | ు | Right.
માં |\n| 1 | I don't remember the date.
्द्र | 7 | -- so I'm asking other than there -- I
ر |\n| B | Okay. Was it at the first hearing or the
ு. | 00 | believe you told me that there was some error -- |\n| 9 | second hearing? | ್ತಾ | Uh-huh .
A. |\n| 10 | A. I actually don't remember which time either, | 10 | -- that Ms. Claiborne was able to pick up on?
். |\n| 11 | but I just remember there was a meeting and there was | 11 | A.
Yes. |\n| 12 | some such moment. | 12 | ். |\n| 13 | | | Do you recall anything else specifically |\n| | Do you remember anything else about what was
ാ | 13 | about that moment that you're describing? |\n| ੀ ਜੋ | said about this chaotic moment that you remember? | । ਪੈ | ri
Yes. I remember Ms. Claiborne was able to |\n| 15 | (Pause . ) | 15 | pick up because it's -- the name the interpreter was |\n| 16 | THE WITNESS: Specifically the words | ો છ | using in English so he interpreted the name wrong, so he |\n| 17 | you're asking -- sorry. Can you ask that | J J | interpret -- |\n| 18 | question again? | । | The question was asked about a company name in |\n| 19 | BY MR. LUFT: | । ਤੇ | English and interpreted back to Mr. Kwok in Chinese, but |\n| 20 | Sure. You mentioned that one --
் | 20 | using a different English name. So that is why |\n| 21 | I asked you what you can recall and you mentioned | 21 | Ms. Claiborne was able to pick up the interpreting was |\n| 22 | one of the things that you -- that you don't have a | 22 | wrong and I remember that -- you know. |\n| 23 | clear recollection of everything -- | 23 | Anything else you recall?
் |\n| ਨ ਚੋ | A.
Yes, yes. | ੰ 4 | A.
Say that again? |\n| 25 | Q. -- but that one of the things you remember is | 25 | ்.
Anything else you recall about that chaotic |\n\nPage 38 Fage 39 1 1 - Highly Confidential - Highly Confidential 2 moment? 2 Like I said, the interpreter -- the 3 3 A. Yes. Like I said, there were a number of question was asked using one name and the 4 back and forth in interpreting and Mr. Baldiga's asking 4 interpreter was interpreting in another name. 5 5 questions, and I'm not sure whether I said something. Now, I cannot remember which is which. 5 5 BY MR. LUFT: I probably did not, because I saw that 7 7 Ms. Claiborne was picking up, but there were a number of Okay. Can you just tell me the two names ். ్రం ರಂ things going in between. I just cannot remember that were used? 9 9 specific -- specifically the words. Okay. I think one was Ace Decade, and then A. 1 D Terrific. 10 the other one ... I think it was Dawn State. I cannot ். 11 I should -- I should have mentioned 11 be sure. 12 this at the beginning of the deposition. If I ask you 12 (Thereupon, an informal discussion was 13 13 what you recall --held off the record with the shorthand 14 14 rij Uh-huh. reporter.) 15 ். -- I just want you to tell me what you 15 THE WITNESS: And I cannot remember । ਇ actually recall. I'm not asking you to speculate --ાં ર whether the question was raised with which 17 Uh-huh . 17 name and whether the interpreter's යේ 18 -- as to what you think it would be unless I 18 interpreting the other. I cannot remember ். 19 19 ask you something or I specifically do that. the --20 20 BY MR. LUFT: rit Okay. 21 21 Do you remember the name of the English ్లు Okav. ့ 22 22 -- which one is which. company or the -- sorry -- the name of the company that A. 23 was said in English? 23 But you recall for this dispute that sticks ். 24 24 (Pause.) out in your mind --25 THE WITNESS: There were two names used. 25 A. Yes. Page 40 Page 41 - Highly Confidential 1 - Highly Confidential 1 2 2 » with other interpreter disregarding the interpresing ਂ. -- the names that were at issue were Ace 3 Decade and Dawn State? 3 etiquette of witness testimonies. 4 I think so. 4 So I -- at one point, I said something to the A. 5 So if I looked in the transcript, I should 5 interpreter in court. ्रं .\n\nउं ్ర 6 Q. Do you remember what you said to him? see a transcription of a dispute in which the names Ace 7 Decade and Dawn State are used? 7 Jul A. Yes. I can't remember exactly what he B I think so. 8 interpreted, but then he put a word in. He assumed it A Okay. You said you -- the other things that 9 9 was there, but it wasn't there. and the provinsion of the first of the first of the first of the first of the first of the first and 10 wou recall --ID So I said to him that there was no such word in the 11 - A. A. Un-huh. ll - witness word -- statement -- the statement the witness |12 Q. -- from the 341 hearings are some \"disputes,\"\n|12 made. You assume it was there. So something I said 13 I believe was your word? 13 that --14 There were a number of disputes, yes. 14 I don't know whether it was reflected in the 15 Q Q. Q Okay. Could you tell me specifically what 15 - transcript. In fact, I can't remember whether I said it 16 - disputes you have an actual recollection of in the 341 16 - in English or Chinese, but I said something like that at 17 hearings? 17 che point. 18 . A. There were a number of them. I cannot 18 @ Q. Q. Qkay. Any other specific disputes that you 19 remember all the disputes. 19 have an actual recollection from the 341 hearings 20 As I said, there were some disputes that I raised 20 sitting here today? 21 out loud and there were some disputes I wrote down and 21 A A Not specifically. 22 - handed notes to Ms. -- to the counsel. 22 Okay. Did you review any documents to ुं -23 But one thing I remember, and it's because T 23 prepare for this deposition? 24 usually took issues with -- it may not be a material to\n24 д. No. 25 25 the case here, but as an interpreser that I took issue ். Have you reviewed any material that has\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| 1 | Page 42
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Highly Confidential |\n|------------|----------------------------------------------------------|------|----------------------------------------------------------|\n| న | refreshed your recollection with regard to the 341 | N | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 3 | hearings? | 3 | How did you get a copy of the transcript?
ं |\n| 4 | No. I don't have those.
এই | 4 | I didn't have a copy of the transcript.
A. |\n| 5 | I have Exhibit 1 in front of you, the
். | 5 | How did you read the transcript, if you
ੁ. |\n| ్ర | debtor's objection. Did you ever read that document -- | 5 | didn't have a copy of it? |\n| 7 | A.
No. | -- J | न्द
I was e-mailed a section of the transcript. |\n| ్రం | -- prior to today?
ੂ. | ్రా | Who e-mailed you a section of the transcript?
். |\n| 3 | A.
No. | 9 | Counsel of -- Melissa Francis.
ਜੋ . |\n| 10 | Were you consulted with regard to information
். | 10 | Is that the first time you ever received
ു. |\n| II | to include in that document? | 11 | communication from Ms. Francis? |\n| 12 | A.
No. | 12 | A.
No. |\n| 13 | Have you ever read a transcript of the 341 | 13 | ்.
How often do you hear from Ms. Francis? |\n| | ﺰ ﺍ | । चै | र्मा
Not often. |\n| । ਹੈ
15 | hearing?
res. | 15 | So tell me about this email from Ms. Francis. |\n| | ra, | | ். |\n| 16 | When did you read a transcript of the 341
். | 16 | What did -- |\n| 17 | hearing? | 17 | A. - Ms. Francis sent a section of the transcript |\n| 18 | I did not read the entire transcript.
্র | 18 | to me and sent an audio to me and asked me to listen and |\n| 19 | I read a section of the transcript, but I cannot | 19 | then to check the transcript. |\n| 20 | remember when. | 20 | Q. What was on the section of the transcript and |\n| 21 | What's your best recollection?
ر | 21 | the audio that Ms. Francis sent you? |\n| 22 | (Pause.) | 22 | A.
It was It was -- |\n| 23 | THE WITNESS: One month ago, at least, I | 23 | The audio was capturing the moment -- the chaotic |\n| ਨ ਕੋ | think. | ੇ 4 | moment that I just described to you, and there was some |\n| 25 | | 25 | prior lines and subsequent lines I don't quite remember, |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 44 | | Page 45 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | l | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | and the transcript was also capturing that -- that time, | 2 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 3 | but not everything that reflected in the audio. | (ఎ | Okay. This is the same chaotic moment you
ं. |\n| ੍ਰੀ | Q. I'm sorry. Can you clarify? The transcript | 4 | described for me? |\n| 5 | was | 5 | Yes, but it wasn't moment I was telling the
বা |\n| ్ర | A. The transcript reflecting some of the verbals | ் | interpreter he was wrong. It was -- actually, |\n| 1 | in the audic, but not everything. That's what I'm | - | Ms. Claiborne caught what was wrong, and like I said, |\n| ങ | sayında | ്ട | between the interpretation -- |\n| ਭ | Okay. You say the transcript was -- was the
். | ﺪﻳﻨﺔ | Between the interpreter's misinterpretation and Ms. |\n| ID | portion of the transcript addressing the chaotic moment? | 10 | Claiborne catching up with that mistake, there were a |\n| 11 | Is that right? | 11 | number of back and forth questioning and answering |\n| 12 | Yes, corresponding part of the audio and the
વ્યું | 12 | conversation happening which was not recorded in the |\n| 13 | transcript. I -- yes. | 13 | transcript, and that's what I'm saying. |\n| 14 | So this was a portion of the transcript and
; ; | । | At that point, in fact, I was not able to raise my |\n| 15 | audio in which the translator is mis- -- mistranslating | 15 | dispute because there were so many back and forth going |\n| 16 | something, in your opinion, and you are telling him that | ો મે | on, and also, at that point, Ms. Claiborne was also |\n| 17 | he is doing it wrong? | 17 | attaching up, so it wasn't the moment I raised dispute. |\n| 18 | MR. HENZY: I'll object. I don't think | 18 | Can you describe for me what was included in
: |\n| । ਕੇ | that was to testimony. | । ਤੇ | this transcript? |\n| 20 | MR. LUFT: Well, that was my | 20 | A. The -- what was include in the transcript was |\n| 21 | understanding of the what the chaotic moment | 21 | very abbrieved [sic], kind of -- |\n| 22 | was. | 22 | Because the -- because what's happening in the |\n| 23 | THE WITNESS: No. | 23 | audio was that the interpreter has said -- has said |\n| ਨ ਕੇਂ | MR. HENZY: Sorry. I think we're a | 24 | things in Chinese and to Mr. Kwok and Mr. Kwok was |\n| 25 | little confused here. | 25 | answering in Chinese and -- but it not being interpreted |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-958\n\n| | Page 46 | | Fage 47 |\n|------|----------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| 6 | in English so the court reporter could not have recorded | 2 | that -- at that meeting. It's hard for me to |\n| 3 | that, and between those conversations -- | 3 | gauge exactly how long that was. |\n| 4 | And Ms. Claiborne caught -- Ms. Claiborne was aware | 4 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 5 | that there was a mistake, because the names was | 5 | Okay. Which date of the 341 hearing was
். |\n| 0 | interpreted wrong and -- and she is already saying -- | 5 | this? |\n| 7 | She's addressing that problem, and so there were a | -- J | I can't remember.
वर् |\n| 8 | lot of aside things going on which were not captured in | ్రా | Approximately -- I'm asking just about the
్ర . |\n| 9 | the transcript, and so that's all -- that's all I'm | 9 | transcript. |\n| 10 | saying. | 10 | A.
les. |\n| 11 | Q. So the portion of transcript you saw has Ms. | 11 | Was it like five lines that she sent you?
ﻨ |\n| 12 | Claiborne catching and making a comment -- | 12 | Was it a page that she sent you? What's your best |\n| 13 | में .
les. | 13 | estimate? |\n| । ਹੈ | ்.
-- that the person is using the names of Ace | । ये | I think there were two pages, I think.
मं |\n| 15 | Decade and Dawn State incorrectly? | 15 | And what was -- what was on the --
் |\n| 16 | ন .
les. | ો ર | |\n| 17 | | 17 | To the best of your recollection, can you describe |\n| | ்.
Ukay, so -- | 18 | what was on those two pages that you reviewed at |\n| 18 | ri
That made the question wrong all together. | | Ms. Francis' request? |\n| 19 | Okay. Can you tell me what else was said and
் | 19 | A. I wasn't only doing that part. That part |\n| 20 | how long was this portion of the transcript? | 20 | stuck out to me, and that was the major thing. |\n| 21 | (Pause.) | 21 | Like I said, that was the main chaos, and there |\n| 22 | THE WITNESS: It wasn't that long. I | 22 | were lines before and after deriving from that chaotic |\n| 53 | don't think that chaotic moment was that long, | ਨਤੇ | moment, and the content of those, I -- I can't recall. |\n| 24 | but there were many prior lines and subsequent | ੇ 4 | Q. Other than having read what Ms. Francis sent |\n| 25 | lines of questioning derived from that at | 25 | you --- |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 48 | | Page 49 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | A.
Uh-huh . | 2 | So whatever memory I have today is aided by that -- |\n| 3 | Q. -- can you give me your best independent | 3 | aided by that audio and that correspond with what I |\n| 4 | recollection of that moment? | 4 | recall at that time. |\n| 5 | Apart from what I just said?
A. | 5 | Q. Okay, so I just need to know what you recall |\n| ్ర | Q. Apart from what you saw from listening to the | ் | from that time other than from that audio. |\n| | audio and speaking to -- and reading the transcript, | ﻟــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــ | MR. HENZY: I -- just objection, vague, |\n| | what is your -- what was your -- | 8 | ambiquous, but you can answer. |\n| 9 | First of all, let me ask you: Sitting here | 150 | THE WITNESS: Right. You mean just that |\n| 10 | today -- | 10 | moment or that day? |\n| 11 | ਕ:
Yes. | 11 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12 | ்.
-- other than what you read -- | 12 | Just with regard to the -- the section of the
ું. |\n| 13 | Uh-huh .
ां | 13 | transcript that Ms. Francis chose to send you. |\n| 14 | -- that Ms. Francis sent you and the audio
ुं. | । ਪੈ | A.
Okay. |\n| 15 | you listened to, can you please tell me your best | 15 | MR. HENZY: Can I just ask a question? I |\n| 16 | recollection of what happened at that moment? | ો રે | don't -- because I want to make sure --- I |\n| 17 | (Pause.) | 17 | don't want to answer your question. |\n| 18 | THE WITNESS: But -- you know, my memory | । ਉ | You're asking to separate to memory |\n| । ਕੇ | today was aided by that audio. | । ਤੇ | of the meeting, kind of almost block out what |\n| 20 | BY MR. LUFT: | 20 | heard on the audio -- |\n| 21 | Okay, so you have a --
் | 21 | MR. LUFT: Well -- |\n| 22 | You now have a clear memory of it because of the | 22 | MR. HENZY: -- which is kind of hard? |\n| 23 | audio or your -- you listened to the audio? | 23 | MR. LUFT: Well, I think it's -- |\n| 24 | Right. I listened to the audio -- you know,
A. | 24 | (Indistinguishable crosstalk.) |\n| 25 | when it was sent to me. | 25 | MR. HENZY: I am going to make an |\n\n877-702-958C\n\nFaqe 51 Page 50 1 Highly Confidential 1 Highly Confidential 2 objection just to -- you know. 2 -- did you then have a clear memory in your 3 3 Vague, ambiguous. I just want to be head apart from what you just read and heard of that 4 clear what you're asking her to do. 4 moment or is it just that you read it and heard it and 5 5 BY MR. LUFT: your recollection now is based on having listened to it 5 5 ். Why don't we do this in parts? Prior to and read it again? 7 7 Ms. Francis --After I read and listened, it reminded me of A. 8 ్ర 员。 Un-huh . what happened and more specifically what happened, 9 9 exchanged in words. -- sending you the transcript and the audio, ். 10 what was your -- can you give me your -- what was your 10 So it wasn't just based on that record. It did 11 best recollection of that portion --11 remind me what actually happened, yes. 12 A. Uh-huh . 12 0. I'm going to ask you now to please tell me 13 13 ੁ. -- of the hearing that she sent you before --what is now your recollection of that moment, not as । ਪੈਂ 14 refreshed -rij Uh-huh . 15 ். -- listening to the transcript and reading 15 A. Uh-huh . । ਇ ો ર ್ತ. -- by the transcript -the portion of the transcript? 17 Before I read and listened to the record, I 17 A. Uh-huh . යේ 18 18 only remembered there was a chaotic moment and there -- and the audio, but not repeating to me ्. 19 19 were disputes I raised, and -- you know, the issues with what you've read on the transcript --20 20 A. the interpreting, but I don't remember specifics. Right. 21 After you read the portion of the 21 -- of the audio, if that makes sense. ் ். 22 22 transcript --Right. I understand what you're saying. A. 23 A. Uh-huh . 23 I -- if I don't based on that audio and things, 24 -- and listened to the audio --24 today, I would -- I would remember that was this --್ತ. 25 25 A. Uh-huh . there was this kerfuffle happening at the time, chaotic Page 52 Page 53 1 1 - Highly Confidential - Highly Confidential 2 2 moments. question to the witness to -- maybe asking a 3 3 And I remember the exchange that was happening and clarifying question, and so therefore that he 4 4 did not think that it should -- it needed to the disputes, but probably not every specific word. 5 5 Other than what you've told me about the be translated or interpreted back into English ். ర్ 5 dispute -for everyone else in the room to know. 7 7 And that kind of sideline conversation Ar Uh-huh . B ြိ -- that there was an issue with regard to the was not captured in the transcript, and that's ். 9 name Ace Decade or Dawn State was used --్ర why that -- that happen -- that happened, and 10 10 A. Uh-huh . I think at one point I was about to raise that 11 --- do you recall anything specific about that 11 and, in fact, Mr. Baldiga, I think, he said ू. 12 12 something like \"Can you please interpret moment? 13 (Pause.) 13 that?\" 14 THE WITNESS: That moment wasn't just 14 But by that point, I think Ms. Claiborne 15 about Dawn State and Ace Decade. That was the 15 also caught on with the error of Ace Decade 16 moment that Ms. Claiborne picked up the error, ાં ર and Dawn State, so that had put aside -- I 17 but that was the moment continued from a 17 think that was put aside, so there were a 18 series of mistakes, minor or major, so it's --18 number of these things happening ... that --19 15 that is --That's what I recall, and -- and 20 20 particularly what -- what happened was that That is not exactly the interpreting 21 the interpreter would use Chinese to ask the 21 problem that is really about the interpreter's 22 22 witness questions and then the witness would etiquette -- professional etiquette -- you 23 answer in Chinese and -- and because of that 23 know, so at one point, I raised an issue out 24 kind of exchange, it's --24 loud. That's what I remember. 25 25 It's like the interpreter is asking\n\n| 1 | Page 54
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No. | |\n| 3 | Q. Do you recall anything else specifically with | 3 | ं
Other than what Ms. Francis sent you for | |\n| ಗಿ | regard to what was said for the portion of the | 4 | either March 21st or April 6th? | |\n| റ | transcript that you reviewed at Ms. Francis' request? | 5 | I have not reviewed any other part of
নি। বাংলাদেশের মাধ্যমে বাংলাদেশের প্রশ্ন করে আমার প্রশ্ন করে আমাকে বিশ্বকাপে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে পারে প | |\n| ్ర | I don't have any other independent
A. | రా | transcript for any day except that part that's sent to | |\n| 7 | recollection. | 7 | me by Ms. Francis. | |\n| ్రం | Okay.
ch | ్రం | Ms. Francis tell you why she was sending you
ुं | |\n| 9 | (Thereupon, an informal discussion was | 9 | that portion, other than she wanted you to check it? | |\n| 10 | held off the record.) | 10 | No. She said to me, \"Listen to the audio and
A. A. | |\n| 11 | BY MR. LUFT: | 11 | check the transcript.\" | |\n| 12 | Q. Had Ms. Francis talked to you about this | 12 | Okay.
் | |\n| 13 | issue prior to sending you this portion of the | 13 | And to see whether it's accurate.
A. | |\n| । ਹੱ | transcript? | । चै | Do you have a copy of that audio and email
ু. | |\n| 15 | No.
A. | 15 | Ms. Francis sent you? | |\n| JE | Was there a cover note in connection with the
ूं. | 16 | It was sent to us with the attachment and the | |\n| 17 | transcript? | 17 | email, so it would be with the email. | |\n| 18 | A. The email was just asking me to -- in fact, | 18 | MR. LUFT: Okay. | |\n| 1 એ | I'm not sure what's said on the email, now, but no, | 1 9 | Eric, I'm going to ask that those be | |\n| 20 | there was no cover note. | 20 | produced immediately, yeah. | |\n| 21 | Okay.
्। | 21 | MR. HENZY: There's no production | |\n| 22 | (Pause.) | 22 | request. | |\n| 23 | BY MR. LUFT: | ਨਤੇ | MR. LUFT: I'm asking you right now. | |\n| ੇ ਹੋ | Q. Did you -- have you reviewed any other | ਡ ਕੇ | MR. HENZY: I -- then you need to give me | |\n| 25 | portion of the 341 transcript? | 25 | a formal production request. There's no -- | |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n| | Page 5€ | | Page 57 | |\n| 1
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3 | MR. LUFT: Now you have a written | |\n| 4 | thing as verbal production requests, okay? If
there's something in the rules I don't know | 4 | request.
Please produce it. I would ask for it to | |\n| న్ | | 5 | | |\n| ్ర | about, you guys should tell me.
MR. BASSETT: Eric, there's such a thing | ರಾ | be produced during this deposition, please.
BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 1 | as cooperating and providing documents that | 7 | Did you ever share this email from
उं | |\n| B | you're obligated to produce under a request in | ಕ | Ms. Francis and audio file with the Zeisler firm? | |\n| 9 | light of the hearing that is -- | ್ತಾ | A.
No. | |\n| 10 | MR. HENZY: Do you want to argue about it | 10 | How did you respond to Ms. Francis?
். | |\n| 11 | now? | 11 | I said -- I suppose I wrote an email back
्द्रं - स्ट् | |\n| 12 | (Pause.) | 12 | saying \"Yes, I'll listen and I'll check.\" | |\n| 13 | MR. HENZY: The schedule's your schedule. | 13 | And did you do that?
். | |\n| 1 में | You certainly have enough people. You | । ਪੈ | A.
Yes. | |\n| 15 | certainly know how to ask for things when you | 15 | Do you have a copy of that email?
ूं. | |\n| 16 | want them. | ો ન | It should be with my email, I think.
्द | |\n| 17 | (Pause.) | 17 | MR. LUFT: Do you want me to put an S on | |\n| 18 | MR. LUFT: Okay. Let the record reflect | । ਉ | \"email.\" or -- | |\n| 19 | I'm handing Mr. Henzy a note in writing that | । ਤੇ | MR. HENZY: You can do whatever you want. | |\n| 20 | says \"Please produce the email and electronic | 20 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21 | just testified
transcript | 21 | Okay. I'm requesting that email.
். | |\n| 22 | about.\" | 22 | And how did you tell Ms. Francis the results of | |\n| 23 | It's dated today, and it has my name on | 23 | checking that portion of the transcript? | |\n| 24 | lt. | 24 | A.
I just sent the file back. | |\n| 25 | MR. HENZY: Thank you. | 25 | Did you ever speak to Ms. Francis about this?
். | |\n| | Page 58 | | | Fage 59 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential | |\n| న | I sent -- I sent my work product back.
. ជុ | 2 | sandbagged us by not producing the exhibits | |\n| 3 | ੋ -
What was your work product? | (1) | you intend to put at trial. | |\n| 4 | It's record of the audio.
वां | 4 | MR. HENZY: It's your schedule, Avi. | |\n| 5 | It's a transcription of the audio file from my own | (JT | It's your -- | |\n| ్ | listening. | 5 | MR. LUFT: What do you mean, it's my | |\n| 7 | So you made a transcript of the audio file
் | -- J | schedule? | |\n| ్రం | where you -- | ్రా | MR. HENZY: You didn't ask us for any | |\n| 9 | A.
Uh-huh . | 9 | production. It's -- it's -- I'm sorry. It's | |\n| 10 | ੋਂ
Explain to me. | 10 | the judge's schedule. | |\n| 11 | I don't understand. Is it you translated -- you -- | 11 | MR. BASSETT: Eric, that's also not true. | |\n| 12 | most of it's in English, so what's going on? | 12 | MR. LUFT:
Yes. | |\n| 13 | And also translated the parts spoken in
यूं में भी में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में मे | 13 | MR. BASSETT: We asked you and your | |\n| । ਹੈ | Chinese, yes. | । चै | colleagues in advance for this exact purpose | |\n| 15 | Do you have a copy of that?
். | 15 | for copies of the exhibits that you intended | |\n| 16 | ri | 15 | to use -- | |\n| 17 | I have a copy of that, yes. | 17 | MR. HENZY: Yep. | |\n| 18 | ்.
Can I have a copy of it?
MR. HENZY: No. I mean -- no. | 18 | MR. BASSETT: -- and for the identities | |\n| 1 | | ાં છે | of witnesses -- | |\n| 20 | You're going to see it filed as an | 20 | | |\n| | exhibit before noon today. | | MR. HENZY: Yep. | |\n| 21 | MR. LUFT: Okay. | 21 | MR. BASSETT: -- and you refused to | |\n| 22 | BY MR. LUFT: | 22 | provide them. | |\n| 23 | this isn't on you.
ว | ਨਤੇ | MR. HENZY: What we did is we're | |\n| 24 | MR. LUFT: I think it's completely | ਨ ਜੋ | complying with the court's order, and if you | |\n| 25 | improper that you have a witness and you've | 25 | didn't like the court's order, Nick, you quys | |\n| | | | | |\n| | Page 60 | | | Page 61 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential | |\n| W | definitely know how to go back and ask for | 2 | MR. LUFT: When on Friday are we getting | |\n| 3 | relief. | (ఎ | this? | |\n| دلو | MR. BASSETT: Okay. | 4 | MR. BASSETT: Noon. | |\n| 5 | MR. HENZY: This is your schedule. | 5 | MR. LUFT: Why don't we go off the | |\n| ్ర | You're bringing this on for hearing on an | ் | record? Because we may need to wait until you | |\n| 1 | expert basis. | ﻟــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــ | hand it over. | |\n| B | MR. BASSETT: Eric. | ్రం | MR. HENZY: I quess that's up to you. I | |\n| 9 | MR. HENZY: We could have done this a | 150 | mean, you can't -- you can't -- actually, it's | |\n| 10 | very different way. You quys chose the | 10 | not up to you. | |\n| 11 | schedule. If you didn't like -- | 11 | You can't say now this witness has to | |\n| 12 | What Jim said back to you was if you -- | 12 | wait around for an hour and a half because you | |\n| 13 | we're going to comply with the Court's order. | 13 | guys didn't -- | |\n| 1 4 | That's what we're doing. | । | (Indistinguishable crosstalk.) | |\n| 15 | MR. BASSETT: What I said back to Jim, | 15 | MR. LUFT: If you tell Judge Manning that | |\n| 16 | which is correct, is that regardless of the | ો ક | this is how you're -- you want to practice, | |\n| 17 | court's order which set a final deadline for | 17 | you can talk about it. We're going to go off | |\n| 18 | the exchange of witness exhibit list, we had | । ਉ | the record right now -- | |\n| । ਕੇ | the right to request discovery from you, which | । ਤੇ | MR. HENZY: That's fine. | |\n| 20 | we were doing in the form of requesting all | 20 | MR. LUFT: -- and we'll see where we are. | |\n| 21 | exhibits and witnesses that you then knew you | 21 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 10:30 a.m. | |\n| 22 | anticipated using at the hearing. | 22 | We're going off the record. | |\n| 23 | And the response was \"We're not going to | 23 | (Recess taken at 10:30 a.m.) | |\n| | 24 give that to you. We're going to wait until | ੰ 4 | (Resumed at 10:57 a.m.) | |\n| 25 | Friday.\" | 25 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 10:57 a.m. | |\n| | | | | |\n| l | Page 62
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No. | |\n| 3 | BY MR. LUFT: | 3 | After you sent Ms. Francis -- by the way, who
ू . | |\n| 4 | you mentioned that you sent | 4 | | |\n| | ुं. | | is Ms. Francis representing? | |\n| 5 | Ms. Francis work product where you translated from the | (၂) | I don't know.
A. | |\n| ా | audio. | 5 | (Pause . ) | |\n| 7 | A.
Uh-huh, yes. | 7 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 00 | Q. Do you have -- were there any drafts you made | ్రం | Did you ask her who she's representing?
ﺮ ﺍ | |\n| 9 | of that document? | 9 | A.
No. | |\n| 10 | A.
No. | 10 | Why did you do it, if you had no idea who
ു. | |\n| 11 | Did -- do you have any internal drafts of the
். | 11 | Ms. Francis was asking you to do it for? | |\n| 12 | cocument? | 12 | She's API client.
A. | |\n| 13 | No.
धां, | 13 | So your client -- Ms. Francis is -- is your
ੂ. | |\n| । ਹੈ | Did you make any notes when you were creating
్లు | । चै | client? | |\n| 15 | that document? | 15 | A.
No. I mean, if she asks me to do a job, then | |\n| 16 | ন .
No. | 15 | I will do a job and I will give it back to her. | |\n| 17 | ့
Did you ask Ms. Francis for what purpose you | 17 | Did Ms. Francis pay you for this work?
್ನು | |\n| 18 | were making this document? | 18 | (Pause.) | |\n| 1 9 | A.
No. | ી કે | THE WITNESS: No. | |\n| 20 | Q. - Did you ask Ms. Francis why she wanted | 20 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 21 | specifically this portion of the two days of testimony | 21 | All right. Who paid you for the work?
் | |\n| 22 | translated? | 22 | Counsel's firm.
A. | |\n| 23 | | 23 | Which counsel? | |\n| | I don't think so.
A. | | ். | |\n| ਨ ਹੈ | ੁ .
Did you have any communication with | ੇ 4 | Mr. Zeisler's firm.
A. | |\n| 25 | Ms. Francis after you sent her the document? | 25 | ்
So Mr. Zeisler's firm paid you to do the | |\n| | | | | |\n| | Page 64 | | Page 65 | |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | l | Highly Confidential | |\n| 2 | translation? | 2 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 3 | A.
I assume so, yeah. | (ఎ | ं
Atter you sent -- | |\n| 4 | But Ms. Francis was the one who asked you?
্র | 4 | How long did it take you to get back to Ms. Francis | |\n| 5 | A.
Uh-huh, yes. | 5 | with your work product? | |\n| 5 | How much did they pay you to do the
ાં | ் | (Pause . ) | |\n| 1 | translation? | 7 | THE WITNESS: Can you ask the question | |\n| B | I charge by the day --
ri, | ్రాం | again? | |\n| 9 | ்
Okay. | 5 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 10 | ি, | 10 | Sure. You said Ms. Francis sent you this
ു. | |\n| | -- and do I have to say that? | 11 | | |\n| 11 | You do. I'm sorry.
ੋ. | | portion of the transcript about a month ago --
Yes.
A. | |\n| 12 | MR. HENZY: It's not very relevant. | 12 | | |\n| 13 | But yeah, you have to, if he really wants | 13 | ்.
After receiving the email -- | |\n| 1 में | to know. | । | A.
res. | |\n| 15 | THE WITNESS: As an interpreter, my cay | 15 | -- with the request that you translate it,
். | |\n| ો ક | rate is a thousand dollars a day. | ો ર | how long did it take you to get back to her with your | |\n| 11 | BY MR. LUFT: | J 7 | work product? | |\n| 18 | Is that how much you were paid to do this
့ | । ਉ | (Pause . ) | |\n| 19 | translation? | 1 ਤੇ | THE WITNESS: I think a couple of days or | |\n| 20 | les.
A. | 20 | several days. Within several days. | |\n| 21 | ूं
How long did it take you to do the | 21 | BY MR. LUFT: | |\n| 22 | translation? | 22 | ்.
Okay, so -- but within a week? | |\n| 23 | About a day.
A. | 23 | A.
Yes. I think so, yeah. | |\n| 24 | (Pause.) | 24 | ்
Atter you sent Ms. Francis back the work | |\n| 25 | | 25 | product -- | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-95\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-958\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nFage 67 Page 66 1 Highly Confidential 1 - Highly Confidential 2 Uh-huh . 2 covered by the privilege. That's --না 3 3 ू . -- did you have any other conversations with That's a classic case of a third party 4 4 Ms. Francis about this translation? being covered by privilege, Avi. I can't -- I 5 5 MR. HENZY: I'm going to actually object can't do my job because I don't understand 5 5 now, based on attorney-client privilege. I'm Chinese. There's an audio that's in Chinese. 7 7 going to instruct you not to answer. I need an interpreter to tell me what's in the 8 ్ర MR. LUFT: Based on whose attorney-client audio, okay? 9 ్ర privilege? BY MR. LUFT: 10 I'm sorry. Just -- Eric, just so I 10 ್. Who retained you to do this job? 11 understand, who -- who's the relationship 11 A. I don't know. 12 between? 12 ். Who were you translating on behalf of? 13 MR. HENZY: It's between Melissa Francis 13 (Pause.) 14 and Ho Wan Kwok. 14 THE WITNESS: I don't really know. 15 BY MR. LUFT: 15 Mechanically -- you know. 15 ੁ. Okay. Is Ms. Francis your attorney? 16 I'm only given the job and then I listen 17 17 යි. No. to the file and then I produce the work 18 MR. LUFT: So I don't understand what the 18 product. I send it back and I get paid. To 19 privilege assertion is. 19 me, that's the end of it. 20 20 THE WITNESS: But anyway, no. BY MR. LUFT: 21 MR. HENZY: It's a privilege on Mr. Kwok. 21 ். Okay. So Mr. Henzy's firm was not 22 22 You can't violate attorney-client privilege. representing you at the time, correct? I mean, ====================================================================================================================================================================== 23 23 A. No, that's correct. 24 24 was acting as an interpreter at the ু. Okay. Can you please tell me about any 25 25 direction of counsel for Mr. Kwok, so communications you had with Ms. Francis with regard to Page 68 Page 69 1 1 - Highly Confidential - Highly Confidential 2 this communication other than the document she sent? 2 BY MR. LUFT: 3 3 MR. HENZY: Objection, privilege. I Do you know if you're testifying as a fact ं 4 4 instruct you not to answer. witness or an expert? 5 MR. LUFT: Eric, you can't introduce an 5 . ה I don't. 5 exhibit and put 5 MR. LUFT: Mr. Henzy, is & being put 7 of it and then say, \"But I won't tell you 7 forward as an expert or as a fact witness in B ි anything said about it.\" You made the this matter? 9 choice. ్ర MR. HENZY: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------10 MR. HENZY: But you're not asking 10 witness, I think, primarily a fact witness. 11 question --11 I'm not going to say exclusively as a fact 12 MR. LUFT: Okay. 12 witness. 13 MR. HENZY: -- about what === said about 13 MR. LUFT: Well, we are entitled under 14 it or what ' did. the federal rules to know if 14 You're asking area question about what a 15 15 forward as an expert. 16 lawyer said to ો ર So I need you to tell me, because it's 17 17 communication. going to impact the questioning I have. 18 BY MR. LUFT: 18 MR. HENZY: They are going to be aspects 19 19 Let me ask you this, of testimony that maybe deemed to be ். 20 20 Are you here to -- are you testifying as a fact expert testimony. 21 witness or an expert witness in this matter? 21 MR. LUFT: In that case, there is no 22 MR. HENZY: Objection, asks for a legal 22 privilege and I'm entitled to ask | 23 23 this. conclusion. I don't know how would know 24 that. 24 a testifying witness. I'm entitled 25 25 to know about opinions, what relied\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 70 | | Fage 71 |\n|-------|--------------------------------------------------------|------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | l | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | upon, and the communications | 2 | What expert opinions are you prepared to
ു. |\n| 3 | connection with those opinions. | 3 | offer in this case? |\n| 4 | MR. HENZY: That's not the question you | 4 | MR. HENZY: Objection, asks for a legal |\n| 5 | asked, though. | 5 | conclusion. |\n| ு | MR. LUFT: It 100 percent is. | రా | MR. LUFT: I'm entitled to know what -- |\n| 7 | MR. HENZY: You didn't ask | ﻟﺴﺎ | going to be put forth as an expert,
ii |\n| ్రం | you rely upon. | ్రం | I'm entitled to know -- |\n| 9 | MR. LUFT: Okay. | 9 | MR. HENZY: I |\n| 10 | MR. HENZY: I mean, ask that, Avi, | 10 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 11 | and then we can go from there. | 11 | Q. What expert opinions are you going to put |\n| 12 | BY MR. ICFT: | 12 | forward in this case? |\n| 13 | | 13 | MR. HENZY: Objection, asks for a legal |\n| । ਹੈ | ੇ.
Uh-huh . | । चै | |\n| 15 | ri, | 15 | conclusion. You can ask |\n| | ்.
-- are you going to be offering expert | | she's going to be offering. |\n| 16 | testimony in this case? | 15 | MR. LUFT: No, Eric. |\n| 17 | MR. HENZY: Objection, asks for a legal | 17 | MR. HENZY: I'm not going to -- |\n| 18 | conclusion. | 18 | I'm not -- you're right. I shouldn't |\n| 1 9 | BY MR. LUFT: | 1 9 | tell you what question to ask. You're right. |\n| 20 | You can answer.
். | 20 | MR. LUFT: More importantly, if you're |\n| 21 | If the court wants me to say something,
at | 21 | putting forward an expert witness, you have to |\n| 22 | answer a question, I will answer a question. | 22 | disclose what expert opinions they have |\n| 23 | I don't know whether I'm asked to -- to be an | ਨ ਤੇ | before -- at their deposition. |\n| 24 | expert witness or whatever witness. I'm just here to | ਨ ਜੋ | MR. HENZY: So -- so you can ask |\n| 25 | answer questions. | 25 | Ask |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 72 | | Page 73 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | I -- I made an objection, and now
can | 2 | A.
Well, that is to prepare for the case, right? |\n| 3 | answer the question. | 3 | ੋ.
Well -- |\n| 4 | BY MR. LUFT: | 4 | ਕ .
The court? |\n| 5 | Q. Do you know what expert opinions you're going | 5 | ं. |\n| ్ర | to be prepared to offer to the court in this case? | ా | Uh-huh .
4. |\n| 7 | I don't, but I'm a court certified
্রা | 7 | -- please tell me all expert opinions you
್ತ. |\n| | interpreter/translator, and I've been in -- working as | വ | intend to offer at the hearing on Tuesday. |\n| ਜੋ | an interpreter in court cases for over 20 years. | 5 | MR. HENZY: Objection, asks for a legal |\n| 10 | So for that, if the court asks me questions about | 10 | conclusion. |\n| 11 | interpretation, I would tell them what I think as an | 11 | THE WITNESS: I don't know. I am -- |\n| 12 | experienced court certified interpreter. | 12 | whatever Court is asking me -- whatever -- |\n| 13 | Q. And if the court chooses not to ask you any | 13 | Whatever question is asked of me at the |\n| 1 वें | questions -- | । | Court hearing on Tuesday, I would answer them. |\n| 15 | Uh-huh .
ri, | 15 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 16 | -- you're not prepared to offer any expert
्र | ો ર | So sitting here today you're not aware of any
். |\n| 17 | testimony in this case? | 17 | expert opinions that you're planning to offer at the |\n| 18 | MR. HENZY: Objection. | । ਉ | hearing -- |\n| 19 | Asks for a legal conclusion. It's also | । ਤੇ | That's correct.
rij |\n| 20 | vague and ambiguous. | 20 | -- with respect to this contempt motion?
் |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS: If the Court is not asking | 21 | That's correct.
A. |\n| 22 | me questions, why would I say anything? | 22 | MR. HENZY: Objection, asks for a legal |\n| 23 | BY MR. LUFT: | 23 | conclusion. |\n| 24 | Because I believe Mr. Henzy wants you to
: | 24 | (Pause . ) |\n| 25 | answer questions. | 25 | |\n\n877-702-9580\n\nPage 74 Fage 75 1 - Highly Confidential 1 Highly Confidential 2 BY MR. LUFT: 2 (Pause.) 3 3 Has Mr. Henzy asked you to offer any expert BY MR. LUFT: ். 4 opinions at the hearing on Tuesday? 4 Q. And sitting here today, you cannot identify 5 5 MR. HENZY: Objection, asks for a legal any expert opinions that you plan to offer to this Court 5 conclusion. 5 as testimony as the context hearing on Tuesday, correct? 7 7 THE WITNESS: Not specifically. MR. HENZY: Same objection. ు 8 ్ర BY MR. LUFT: THE WITNESS: That's correct. 9 ్ర BY MR. LUFT: Q. Has anyone from are Mr. Henzy's firm asked 10 you to offer any expert opinions at the hearing on 10 Okay. Other than the portion of the 0. transcript that Ms. Francis sent you, have you reviewed 11 11 Tuesday? 12 MR. HENZY: Same objection. 12 any other portions of the two days of 341 testimony? 13 THE WITNESS: No. 13 A. No. । ਪੈਂ 14 (Pause.) ू . Did you ever ask to review any other portions 15 BY MR. LUFT: 15 of it? । ਇ Has Ms. Francis asked you to offer any expert ાં ર A. ். No. 17 17 opinions --Have you ever listened to the audio of the ू. 18 18 ri No. rest of the 341 hearing? 19 19 д. ं। -- at the hearing on Tuesday? No. 20 20 MR. HENZY: Same objection. (Pause.) 21 THE WITNESS: No. 21 BY MR. LUFT: 22 22 BY MR. LUFT: ். Did anyone ever ask you to listen to any 23 ं. Has any counsel for Mr. Kwok asked you to 23 other portions of the audio of the 341 hearing? 24 offer any expert opinions? 24 A. No. 25 25 A. No. 0. Anyone ever ask you to look at any other Page 76 Page 77 1 1 - Highly Confidential - Highly Confidential 2 2 See, I work for cases, and -- and there are a portions of the transcript of the 341 hearing other than A. ധ 3 number of courts ... the portion that Ms. Francis had selected for you? 4 4 A. No. (Pause.) 5 5 THE WITNESS: Once a month. A case a (Pause.) ్ర 5 BY MR. LUFT: month. 7 7 BY MR. LUFT: 0. Have you ever acted as a Court interpreter? B Yes. ్రా When was the first time you worked with 料 0. 9 When? ું Mr. Kwok? 0. 10 10 (Pause.) (Pause.) 11 BY MR. LUFT: 11 THE WITNESS: I can't remember when was 12 And by that, I mean acting as the interpreter | 12 the last hearing that I appeared as check ். 13 for a court. 13 interpreter for Mr. Kwok. 14 A. Yes. । ਪੈ BY MR. LUFT: 15 ். Yes? So I meant --15 ். Do you recall the first time you acted as an 16 ો ર র . Yes. interpreter for Mr. Kwok? 17 17 ் -Just clarifying. Sorry. A. That I remember, yes. 18 । ਉ A. Yes, throughout the past 20 to 30 years. 0. When was that? 19 1 કે I don't recall the specific time. It would ू . Okay. How often? ध्ये 20 20 More often 20 years ago, and less often the be ranging between 2016 to 2017. That was the first A. 21 recent 10 years, and less often the last year. 21 time. 22 ੁ. How often have you acted as interpreter for 22 Q. Okay, and other than serving as a check 23 23 the Court in the past 10 years? interpreter for Mr. Kwok in court proceedings, have you 24 A. How often? It's really hard to say. 24 ever worked as -- on behalf of Mr. Kwok in any other 25 25 ். Give me your best recollection. capacity?\n\n| l | Page 78
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At the early days, yeah. | 2 | MR. LUFT: Okay. |\n| 3 | The first time I was -- I was referred to be an | ు | MR. HENZY: Work for him in any other |\n| ಗಿ | interpreter for his conference. | 4 | capacity? You mean as an employee or |\n| 5 | What conference is that?
் | (JI | MR. LUFT: Worked for him. I don't care |\n| ్ | It was a conference supposed to happen --
A. | 5 | how characterizes it. |\n| 7 | supposed to happen in Washington, D.C. However, it did | -- J | MR. HENZY: Okay. |\n| 8 | not happen, but that was the first time I met him. | ్రం | THE WITNESS: Just conferences. |\n| 9 | Are there any other times you've worked for
्र. | 9 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| TD | Mr. Kwok other than -- other than as a check interpreter | 10 | Q. What conferences have you worked for |\n| 11 | in connection with court proceedings? | 11 | Nr. Kwok? |\n| 12 | A.
Yes. | 12 | A.
Mr. Kwok had, I think -- |\n| 13 | ்.
Please tell me about them. | 13 | Once a year, in the past, he had those |\n| । ਹੈ | I worked as an interpreter for Mr. Kwok in a
য় | । चै | anti-Communist Party conferences, and there would be |\n| 15 | court case -- in a case regarding defamation. | 15 | kind of like several interpreters interpreting for those |\n| 16 | Other than in connection with a court case --
्रं | 15 | conterences simultaneously. |\n| 17 | වි අධි
Uh-huh . | 17 | We would -- we would -- we would do those |\n| 18 | -- have you ever acted as a -- worked for
ः | 18 | conference interpreting -- simultaneous interpreting in |\n| 1 | Mr. Kwok in any capacity -- | 1 9 | a conference setting. |\n| 20 | A.
As an -- | 20 | Anything eise?
ر |\n| 21 | Q. -- with the exception of the conference you | 21 | And the court defamation case and check
A. |\n| 22 | mentioned? | 22 | interpreting. |\n| 23 | MR. HENZY: I'm just going to object. | 23 | Anything else?
ပုံ |\n| 24 | Vague and ambiguous. I'm not trying -- | ੇ 4 | That's about it.
A. |\n| 25 | just -- | 25 | (Thereupon, an informal discussion was |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 30 | | Page 81 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | l | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | held off the record.) | 2 | A.
res. |\n| 3 | BY MR. LUFT: | 3 | Q. - When you say they hired you, they hired you |\n| 4 | Q. What's your best estimate of how many times | 4 | to work on behalf of their boss, Mr. Kwok? |\n| న | you've been hired by Mr. Kwok? | 5 | They hired me to work in an event, and those
पं |\n| ్ర | ਕਿ,
I was never hired by Mr. Kwok. | ರಾ | event -- whatever it is, then that's the event. |\n| 7 | ാ
Who hired you, then? | 7 | So let's take the defamation case.
ci |\n| B | His office.
rt, | ్రాం | Uh-huh .
A. |\n| 9 | What's Mr. Kwok's office?
் | 5 | Mr. Kwok is a party to that case?
். |\n| 10 | নি,
Say that again? | 10 | That's right.
A. |\n| 11 | What do you mean when you say, \"Mr. Kwok's
். | 11 | And you were being hired by Mr. Kwok's staff
ू. |\n| 12 | office\"? | 12 | to work on their boss' behalf? |\n| 13 | ां
His staff. | 13 | A.
As an interpreter. |\n| 14 | ்.
Who is on Mr. Kwok's staff? | । | ்.
Right. On behalf their boss, Mr. Kwok? |\n| 15 | For court cases, then it would be
તાં | 15 | For Mr. Kwok.
માં |\n| 16 | Ms. Francis, and at the beginning of the conference, it | ો રે | Okay, and who paid you for your work on
். |\n| 11 | was Ms. Wang. | 17 | behalf of Mr. Kwok? |\n| 18 | Anyone else on Mr. Kwok's staff besides
் | ાં કે | A.
In those time, Golden Spring. |\n| 19 | Ms. Francis and Ms. Wang? | । ਤੇ | Did you have a contract with Golden Spring?
ूँ. |\n| 20 | That I have no idea.
A. | 20 | A.
No. No. |\n| 21 | ்
Are you aware of any other people who work | 21 | ்.
So how did you know that Golden Spring was |\n| 22 | for Mr. Kwok other than Ms. Francis and Ms. Wang? | 22 | going to pay you for the work that you did on behalf of |\n| 23 | I don't know them.
ri | 23 | Mr. Kwok? |\n| 24
25 | Q. When you say, \"Ms. Wang,\" are you referring
to Yvette Wang? | 24
25 | I think it was the first time I was referred
A.
to by a fellow interpreter to work for Mr. Kwok's |\n\n| l | Page 82
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ድር |\n| ಗಿನ | and got paid, then I think I will get paid. | 4 | Meaning like the defamation case for -- that
். |\n| 5 | So when Mr. Kwok would have Golden Spring pay
ﺮ ﺍ | (၂) | Mr. Kwok is involved in, right? |\n| ్ | you -- | న | That was requested by Golden Spring, so
स्ट्र |\n| 7 | Uh-huh .
A. | 7 | Golden Spring paid me. |\n| 00 | -- for your work, how did they send you that
ై. | ్రం | Q. Have you ever been paid for work you have |\n| 9 | money? | ್ತ | done on behalf of Mr. Kwok by any entity other than |\n| 10 | A.
They mailed it to me. | 10 | Golden Spring? |\n| 11 | ਼-
By check? | 11 | A.
For this bankruptcy -- |\n| 12 | A.
Uh-huh, yes. | 12 | Uh-huh .
். |\n| 13 | ੇ.
And whose account was that check from? | 13 | --- the court hearing, serve as check
A. |\n| । ਹੈ | ri
Golden Spring. | । पै | interpreter, I was paid by counsel's firm. |\n| 15 | Was there any ever -- any entity Mr. Kwok had
். | 15 | ்
Are you being paid for your time today? |\n| TP | you paid by other than Golden Spring for any of the work | 15 | Not -- not -- not here now.
न्द |\n| 17 | that you did for him? | 17 | How about for Tuesday? Are you being
్ర. |\n| 18 | (Pause . ) | 18 | compensated? |\n| 1 9 | THE WITNESS: If I was contracted by or | 1 9 | A.
les. |\n| 20 | if I was requested by Golden Spring to do the | 20 | ੁ.
Who is paying that? |\n| 21 | work for an event, then I was paid by Golden | 21 | I expect to be, as you
A. |\n| 22 | Spring. | 22 | ்
And who is paying you for that? |\n| 23 | BY MR. LUFT: | ਨੌਤੇ | Because it was requested by Zeisler, so I
A. |\n| ਨ ਹੈ | Q. And for other work you did for Mr. Kwok, cid | ਨ ਜੋ | will be sending my invoice to Zeisler, and I will expect |\n| 25 | anyone ever pay you for that work other than Golden | 25 | Mr. Zeisler to pay me. |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 34 | | Page 85 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| | | | |\n| 2 | How about in connection for the work | 2 | ्रः
More than \\$50,000? |\n| 3 | Ms. Francis sent you the translation work, who will pay | 3 | That I cannot be sure.
A. |\n| 4 | you for that? | 4 | More than \\$50,000, potentially?
். |\n| 5 | I send the invoice to Zeisler, too.
A. | 5 | See, the thing is I have to ask you make a
् : नं |\n| ్ర | ்.
Can you give -- | ் | division. Fifty thousand divide by one thousand, how |\n| 7 | Can you tell me how much money you've earned work | ﻟﺴﺎ | many events? |\n| ന്ന | for Mr. Kwok since the first time you started working | 8 | Because I remember events. I don't really remember |\n| ਿੰ | for him up through today? | 5 | the number -- you know. |\n| 10 | A,
I have not tallied up. | 10 | From 2016 until today --
். |\n| 11 | What's your best estimate?
ू - | 11 | Uh-huh .
ମ୍ବ |\n| 12 | (Pause . ) | 12 | -- anyone you've worked with more often than
். |\n| 13 | THE WITNESS: It was hard to say, really. | 13 | Mr. Kwok? |\n| 1 पे | I -- I -- | । | Much more.
A.
les. |\n| 15 | I can't, because at the early days, I did | 15 | ूं.
How many other clients do you have? |\n| 16 | a number of conferences for him, and that was | ો રે | A.
I have a lot of clients. |\n| 17 | good. Nowadays, not that many, so | 17 | 2.
Do you ever serve as interpreter for Mr. Kwok |\n| 18 | BY MR. LUFT: | 1 8 | in connection with his business meetings? |\n| 19 | Do you think you've earned more than \\$10,000
Cy | 1 ਤੇ | ri
No. |\n| 20 | work for Mr. Kwok? | 20 | How about when Mr. Kwok is talking to
் |\n| 21 | A.
From -- since 2016 or 2017? | 21 | Ms. Francis? Who is interpreting for them? |\n| 22 | ੰ.
les. | 22 | A.
I have no idea. |\n| 23 | ri
les. | 23 | ்
Have you ever seen Mr. Kwok talk to |\n| 24 | More than \\$20,000?
్లు | ટેને | Ms. Francis? Have you ever seen him talking to |\n| 25 | Yes .
A. | 25 | Ms. Francis? |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 86
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How often? |\n| 3 | ਼ -
Did you have to interpret for them? | 3 | He spoke with his counsel sometimes with
ዳ . |\n| 4 | में -
No. | 4 | broken English. |\n| 5 | Were they just talking in English, so it
ు | 5 | For how -- and they would be talking about
ు |\n| ్ర | wasn't necessary? | 5 | legal matters? |\n| 7 | (Pause . ) | -- J | No, I don't think so. When talking in legal
् प्रदेश के साथ की में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में |\n| ్రం | THE WITNESS: I'm trying to remember | ్రం | matters, I would be interpreting. |\n| 9 | whether I was there any time. I don't know. | 9 | But otherwise, he speaks to counsel in broken
். |\n| 10 | BY MR. LUFT: | 10 | English? |\n| II | Q. How about when Mr. Kwok talks to other people | 11 | Like \"How are you?\" That kind of thing.
4. |\n| 12 | in English? Does he ask you to help him out with words? | 12 | ்
How conversant is he in English? |\n| 13 | A. When he met with counsel, then I interpret | 13 | A.
I have no idea. |\n| । ਹੱ | for him. | । चै | ੁੰ.
From -- based on your observations? |\n| 15 | Okay, but when he's talking to other people
ं | 15 | MR. HENZY: Objection. Asked and |\n| 16 | | 15 | answered. |\n| | in English, does he ever ask you to help him with words | 17 | |\n| 1 / | that he doesn't know in English? | | (Pause . ) |\n| 18 | MR. HENZY: Object. I'm not sure | 18 | THE WITNESS: He's okay, |\n| 1 9 | testified -- | 1 9 | conversationally, with casual matters. |\n| 20 | BY MR. LCFT: | 20 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21 | You can go ahead. Please answer.
் | 21 | Have you ever received a check from any
் |\n| 22 | A. I don't interpret for him in English outside | 22 | entity other than Golden Spring or the Zeisler firm in |\n| 23 | from court cases. | ਨਤੇ | connection with your work on behalf of Mr. Kwck? |\n| 24 | Have you ever heard Mr. Kwok speak English?
ां | ੇ ਪੈ | (Pause . ) |\n| 25 | A.
Yes. | 25 | THE WITNESS: Golden Spring and Zeisler. |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 88 | | Page 89 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | Brown Rudnick, most recently. That's it. | 2 | Krasner? |\n| 3 | BY MR. LUFT: | (ఎ | A.
Max Krasner? No. |\n| دلو | That's it? Okay. Do you travel with
્ર . | 4 | How about Aaron Mitchell?
ੁ. |\n| 5 | Mr. Kwok? | 5 | I saw him in court, and he would tell me if
্রা |\n| ్ర | ਸੰ,
No. | ் | Mr. Kwok is going to be there late or he's there or |\n| 7 | Okay. When Mr. Kwok has a job for you --
ાં આવેલા ગુજરાત રાજ્યના ગુજરાત રાજ્યના ગુજરાત રાજ્યના ભ | ﻟﻪ، ﺍ | something like that. |\n| ട് | Un-huh
A. | ్రాం | Daniel Podclski?
் |\n| 9 | -- how does he communicate that to you?
ं | 5 | He was around when there was -- when I was
A. |\n| 10 | Mr. Kwok never communicated with me and it
में . म्प्र, मिमी, में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में मे | 10 | working in those conference. |\n| 11 | is -- it's not his job. Ms. Wang would tell me to | 11 | What's the relationship like
் |\n| 12 | interpret for Mr. Kwok's conference. | 12 | MR. LUFT: Let me strike that. |\n| 13 | Q. When you say it's not Mr. Kwok's \"job,\" what | 13 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 1 में | do you mean by that? | । | What's Ms. Wang's job for her boss, Mr. Kwok?
் |\n| 15 | I mean I don't -- at conferences, I don't
વ્યું | 15 | A.
I |\n| 16 | really interpret for -- by his side. It's a conference. | ો મે | MR. HENZY: Objection, lack of |\n| 17 | You know, it's an event, so I would interpret in that | 17 | foundation. |\n| 18 | conference. | । ਉ | THE WITNESS: I don't really know. I |\n| 19 | ြဲ | 19 | only get the request to interpret. |\n| | Okay. How about when you're acting as a | 20 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20
21 | check interpreter for Mr. Kwok? | 21 | |\n| | Right, and Ms. Francis would tell me the time
and the date and the venue -- | 22 | Q. But you understand that Ms. Wang works for
Mr. Kwok -- |\n| 22 | Un-huh . | 23 | A.
Yes. |\n| 23 | ் | | |\n| 24
25 | -- and I would be there.
A.
Q. Did you ever have any communications with Max | 24
25 | ू .
-- correct?
A.
Yes. |\n| | Page 90 | | Fage 91 |\n| 1 | - Highly Confidential | l | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | Do you ever see Mr. Kwok give her directions?
् . | 2 | If I were the check interpreter, yes, I will
A. |\n| 3 | rt
I did not see personally. | 3 | expect to be paid. |\n| 4 | Have you ever worked for any other members of
் | 4 | Are you going to be Mr. Kwok's check
். |\n| 5 | Mr. Kwok's family as an interpreter? | (11 | interpreter at the hearing on Tuesday? |\n| ్ర | রা
No. | న | त्यं
That's what I thought I was going to be. |\n| 7 | (Pause . ) | ﻟﺴﺎ | When you say that's what you thought you were
ﺮ |\n| ్రం | BY MR. LUFT: | ్రా | going to be, what do you mean? |\n| 9 | Have you been --
ు | ್ತ | Because before you ask me the question
में . प्रदेश के दौर |\n| 10 | What compensation have you been told you will | 10 | whether I'm going to be testifying on Tuesday, and I did |\n| | | | not know that I was. |\n| 11 | receive for any testimony you give in this case? | 11 | |\n| 12 | ri
You mean here, now? For this -- | 12 | So I -- my whole -- my whole understanding was that |\n| 13 | ੋਂ.
For -- | 13 | I would be the check interpreter for that hearing. |\n| । ਹੈ | ri
-- or anything? | । पै | So this is pretty surprising to you today,
ﺮ ﺗ |\n| 15 | ్ర.
For anything -- | 15 | huh? |\n| 16 | વાં
No. | ો ક | Like I said, it may not have registered with
न्द |\n| 17 | -- related to this contempt motion.
் | 17 | me. Maybe it was mentioned. It's -- it's just I did |\n| 1 8 | No. I give testimony in court or I --
a | 18 | not catch it. I thought that's only today, so yeah. |\n| 1 | When I'm deposed, when it is a court case, I don't | 1 9 | Q. - Will you be paid a thousand dollars for your |\n| 20 | know that should be compensated. | 20 | work on Tuesday? |\n| 21 | So if you appear on Tuesday --
் | 21 | Well, it depends on the time. If it is a
A. A. A. A. |\n| 22 | Yeah.
A. | 22 | whole day, yes. |\n| ട്ടെ | -- you are not expecting to be compensated?
். | ਨ ਤੇ | If not, do you have an hourly rate?
் |\n| 24 | A.
Not as a witness. | ਨ ਜੋ | If it is falling into -- within four hours,
A. |\n| 25 | ்.
What are you expecting to be compensated as? | 25 | that will be a half day rate. |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 92
Highly Confidential | 1 | Page 93
Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | Which is \\$500? | 2 | A. |\n| | ्रं | | Uh-huh, yes. |\n| | | | |\n| 3 | A.
No. | 3 | ें.
Where? |\n| 4 | ੋ.
What is your half day rate? | 4 | में,
England. |\n| 5 | Do you have to ask me my rate? Really?
A. | 5 | And what did you study?
ू . |\n| ్ర | ்.
I'm sorry. | ் | चेंद्र में हैं. मैं में ब
I got a bachelor degree in translation in |\n| 7 | Do I have to say that?
র্ম | - | Westminster University, England. |\n| ട്ട് | MR. HENZY: You have to say it, yeah. | ಕಿ | In connection with the work you've done in
c |\n| 9 | THE WITNESS: Money should not be talked | ੋਂ | this matter -- |\n| 10 | about in public. Anyway, 600. | 10 | Uh-huh .
A. |\n| 11 | BY MR. LUFT: | 11 | -- what -- what scholarly texts did you
் |\n| 12 | Q. Okay. Are you owed any money by Mr. Kwok on | 12 | consult in forming -- in performing your work? |\n| 13 | behalf of the work you've done for him to date? | 13 | I haven't consulted any scholarly work.
र्यं |\n| 1 में | I haven't sent any invoice for today, so no.
Air and Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air Air A | । | ்
Have you reached out to any other experts in |\n| 15 | Q. How about for the work you've been doing up | 15 | the field to consult with regard to any opinions you may |\n| JE | until today? | ો રે | have in this matter? |\n| 17 | I was not owed any money.
में . | 17 | A.
No. |\n| 18 | ੇ.
Okay . | । | ்
Can you describe for me the methodclogy you |\n| । ਉ | (Pause.) | । ਤੇ | used in connection with your work in this matter? |\n| 20 | BY MR. LUFT: | 20 | A. . |\n| | | | I listened to the audio, and then I |\n| 21 | Q. Do you have any -- can you tell me what your | 21 | transcribed the English part of the statements word by |\n| 22 | highest -- | 22 | word, and then I translate the Chinese words into |\n| 23 | MR. LUFT: Let me strike that. | 23 | English and recorded them in my work product. |\n| 24
25 | BY MR. LUFT:
Q. Can you tell me -- did you go to college? | 24
25 | Do you have copies of that work product that
ု့
you created? |\n| | Page 94 | | Fage 95 |\n| l | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| న | No. I don't have it with me.
යු | 2 | preparation for that hearing? |\n| 3 | Do you have it at home?
ू . | 3 | The 341?
ዳ . |\n| 4 | I have it at home.
র . | 4 | I attended some meetings between Mr. Kwok and the |\n| 5 | MR. LUFT: Okay. | 5 | counsels, but I cannot recall specifically what -- what |\n| ్ | | 5 | |\n| | I would like to request copies of that | | meetings -- you know, what subject matters were |\n| 7 | work with regard to
work ---------- | -- J | discussed. |\n| ్రం | her opinions as well. | ్రా | Do you recall if there was any discussion of
ुं. |\n| 9 | THE WITNESS: Sorry. But -- didn't -- | 9 | Ace Decade -- |\n| 10 | Wasn't that the one that you were talking | 10 | MR. HENZY: Objection. |\n| 11 | about before? Are you talking about something | 11 | THE WITNESS: No. |\n| 12 | else? I haven't done any -- | 12 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 13 | BY MR. LUFT: | 13 | -- at that meeting?
். |\n| । ਹੈ | So you're --
ু. | । ये | र्मा
No. |\n| 15 | You're referring to just the documents you provided | 15 | MR. HENZY: Objection. Move to strike. |\n| 16 | to Ms. Francis? | 15 | Objection, attorney-client privilege. I |\n| 17 | ਕਿ .
Right. | 17 | instruct her not to answer. |\n| 18 | ੈ -
Okay. There's no other drafts? | 18 | MR. LUFT: Mr. Kwok's privilege now |\n| 1 | A.
No. | 19 | belongs to Mr. Despins on that issue. |\n| 20 | There's no other work product?
్ర. | 20 | (Thereupon, an informal discussion was |\n| 21 | ਕਿ .
No. | 21 | held off the record with the shorthand |\n| | | | |\n| 22 | Okay. Prior to the 341 hearing, were you
் | 22 | reporter. ) |\n| 23 | involved in the preparation for it? | ਨਤੇ | MR. LUFT: Mr. Kwok's privilege with |\n| ਨ ਹੈ | A.
No. | ੇ ਪੈ | regard to any work in connection with his |\n| 25 | ்.
Did you meet with counsel and Mr. Kwok in | 25 | bankruptcy proceeding with Brown Rudnick now |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 96
Highly Confidential | 1 | Page 97
Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | belongs to Mr. Despins. | 2 | Probably between counsel's meeting.
A. |\n| 3 | | (ఎ | What's your best recollection of what you
ু. |\n| 4 | MR. HENZY: I answered the question.
THE WITNESS: No, I said. | 4 | |\n| | BY MR. LUFT: | | heard discussed about Ace Decade prior to the 341 |\n| 5 | | 5 | hearing? |\n| ్ర | Q. Do you recall any discussion at the UBS | ் | I don't recall.
4. |\n| 7 | litigation? | 7 | After the -- immediately after the 341
் |\n| B | ድር
No. | 8 | nearing -- |\n| 9 | Any discussion about lawsuit in the United
ां | ್ತಾ | A.
Uh-huh . |\n| 10 | Kingdom? | 10 | -- did you have any discussion with anyone
். |\n| 11 | म् -
What? | 11 | with regard to the topic of Ace Decade? |\n| 12 | ்.
A lawsuit in the United Kingdom? | 12 | द्वों
No. |\n| 13 | (Pause.) | 13 | Did you have any conversation with anyone
ू. |\n| 1 वें | THE WITNESS: Counsel, my memory at the | । ਉ | with regard to the question of mistranslation with |\n| 15 | moment is quite muddled. | 15 | regard to any questions about Ace Decade? |\n| JE | I remember a lawsuit in the United | ો ર | Not after departing from the courtroom.
्रा |\n| 17 | Kingdom mentioned, but probably in court, so I | 17 | Upon leaving the 341 hearing, did you tell
் |\n| 18 | cannot recall exactly -- you know. | 18 | anyone that there were material misstatements made in |\n| 19 | BY MR. LUFT: | । ਤੇ | the translation with regard to Ace Decade? |\n| 20 | Okay. Prior to hearing the name Ace Decade
் | 20 | (Pause.) |\n| 21 | | 21 | |\n| | at the 341 hearing --
Un-huh .
ra, | | MR. HENZY: Objection. Ambiguous, vaque. |\n| 22 | | 22 | THE WITNESS: I probably -- |\n| 23 | ੂ.
-- had you ever heard that name before? | 23 | I probably would have said something |\n| 24
25 | A.
I might have.
्रं
Do you recall in what context? | 24
25 | like -- like -- like a tirade -- you know. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-958\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-70\n\n877-702-9580\n\nPage 98 Fage 99 1 - Highly Confidential 1 - Highly Confidential 2 BY MR. LUFT: 2 Do you have any of the notes that you took 0. 3 3 I'm asking you if you have a specific during Mr. Kwok's 341 hearing? ं 4 recollection now of what you think you might have said. 4 A. No. 5 5 Do you recall anything --ू . What happened to those notes? 5 5 A. No. Just discarded it. A. 7 7 --- about any mistakes with regard to any When did you get rid of them? ். ். ు ్ర testimony as to Ace Decade? When the book is finished. Then I'll just --ત્વં 9 9 No. I might have said something, but I don't I use steno pad, so when the pad is full, then I'll just A. 10 recall what I said. 10 discard them. 11 11 Do you know when you discarded your notes (Pause.) ः 12 BY MR. LUFT: 12 with regard to the 341 hearing? 13 13 Okay. When you're translating, do you wait (Pause.) : । ਪੈਂ 14 until the speaker is done with their question to start THE WITNESS: It could be that day or it 15 translating, or if it's a long question, do you make 15 could be out of the next meeting, because --। ਇ them pause a translate a portion of the question and ો ર because --17 then do another portion? 17 I don't use one notepad for one case, so 18 ାସ୍ I usually wait until the question's asked 18 it's continuous, so I actually can't recall 19 19 completely. Then I start to -- to interpret it. when I discarded that. 20 BY MR. LUFT: 20 Q. Do you take notes while the questioner is 21 21 Did anyone from Mr. Kwok's counsel ask you speaking? ् 22 22 科。 Yes. for copies of your notes with regard to any 23 ். When you're acting as a check interpreter, do 23 translations? 24 you take notes? 24 A. No. 25 25 A. Yes. ். Did anyone from Mr. Kwok's counsel tell you Page 100 Page 101 1 1 - Highly Confidential - Highly Confidential 2 2 that after the 341 hearing, that they wanted to see your want me to give you examples? 3 3 notes because they were concerned about the issue of You want me to tell you what kind of 4 4 mistranslations? context -- give -- like lay out a scenario or 5 No. 5 A. what ? ర్ రు BY MR. LUFT: ं Did Mr. Kwok tell you that he wanted you to 7 7 speak with his counsel with regard to the issue of 0. Let me ask it a different way. B ြိ mistranslations? Uh-huh . A. 9 网 No. ్ర You said you have to consider context. 0. 10 10 0. Did anyone acting on behalf of Mr. Kwok talk A. Yes . 11 to you about the fact there were mistranslations at the 11 ू . Why do you have to consider context? 12 hearing that action should be taken about after the 12 科 Well, if it's just a line of questions, then 13 hearing concluded? 13 you have already interpreted previous questions and 14 A. No. । ਹੈ then -- so the context is naturally following, right? 15 ். Okay. When you're translating --15 I mean, but if they are stand-alone questions, 16 ો ર র . Uh-huh . then -- then there is no context involved. 17 17 ੋ • -- do you consider the context of the ਂ At the 341 hearing --18 । ਉ cuestion? A. Uh-huh . 19 1 કે -- the translator was sworn in to tell the 网 Yes . ें • 20 20 truth, correct? How so? ். 21 Well, I think it has to be considered, right? 21 A. Yes. A. 22 But you're asking me -- I don't know how to answer this 22 0. As the check interpreter, you are not sworn 23 question, actually. 23 in, correct? 24 (Pause.) 24 д. I think we were. I think all interpreters 25 THE WITNESS: When you say, \"How so,\" you 25 are sworn.\n\n> 877-702-9580 TSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\nPage 102 Page 103 1 - Highly Confidential 1 Highly Confidential 2 Okay. I guess we can look at the transcript 2 @question, you would neither pass a note nor make a 3 later, but your recollection is you were sworn in as a 3 statement, correct? 4 translator at the 341 hearings? 4 5 decident THE WITNESS: Most probably, that's 5 A. I don't recall, but because there are times 5 6 come a correct. that -- as check interpreters, we would be sworn in, 7 too, at court and at depositions. 7 BY MR. LUFT: 8 So I may not have a clear recollection whether I 8 Q. Okay, and then here, Mr. Kwok would give an 9 was sworn in at that specific court hearing, but as an 9 answer in Chinese -10 interpreter, we -- we -- we know we're always acting 10 Land A. H. Yes. 11 under oath of our professional oath. 11 ---- Q. \" -- and then the translator would translate 12 Q. Okay, and at the 341 hearing, a question 12 Mr. Kwok's answer to English --13 would be asked in English -13 - A. A. Yes. 14 Q Q -- correct? 14 - 15 - Q. - -- correct? 15 - A. Yes. 16 A. A. Yes. 16 - Q. And if you believed the translator made an 17 Q Q -- and then you would hear the Chinese ll \"error in connection with translating Mr. Kwok's answer 18 translation? 18 into English --19 News A. A. 19 - A. A. Yes. |20 Q. And as the check interpreter, if there was a\n|20 Q. -- you would again either make a statement on 21 problem with that question, you would either let 21 the record or pass Mr. Baldiga a note telling him that 22 - Mr. Baldiga know through a note or you would make a 22 - there was an error, correct? 23 statement, correct? 23 A. A. Most probably, yes. 24 - A. A. Yes. 24 Q. I'm going to hand you copies of what I am going to mark as Exhibit 2 and 25 - Q. And if there was no problem with the 25 Page 104 Page 105 1 1 - Highly Confidential Highly Confidential 2 2 Exhibit 3. transcripts? 3 3 (Thereupon, two documents were marked by I don't know. A 4 4 the shorthand reporter as ूं. Okay. Do you want to take a second to look 5 5 and through the documents and see if you've seen any portion 5 రు MR. LUFT: Exhibit 2 will be a transcript of these documents before? 7 7 MR. HENZY: Do you want to point of telephonic 341 meeting of creditors, March B 21, 2022 In Re: Ho Wan Kwok. ్రా the portion that you're probably --9 At the same time, I will also ask to mark ్ర MR. LUFT: What I'm interested in is if 10 a copy of Exhibit 3, which is a transcript of 10 seen -- look, if you want to --11 continued 341 Meeting of Creditors, April 6, 11 I'm trying to give your witness the 12 2022 In Re: Ho Wan Kwok. 12 opportunity to look at it. If you don't want 13 MR. HENZY: Thank you. 13 to, she doesn't have to. 14 BY MR. LUFT: । ਪੈ MR. HENZY: 15 ். do you have what has been 15 (Pause . ) 16 marked as [REDACTED] Exhibit 2 and [REDACTED] Exhibit 3 in | 16 THE WITNESS: Right. I think it's the --17 front of you? T T I have seen a portion of the transcript 18 A. Yes. 18 of the April 6th meeting. 19 19 BY MR. LUFT: ਼. Have you ever seen either of these documents 20 20 before? Okay, and what portion of that have you seen? ் 21 A No. 21 (Pause.) 22 22 THE WITNESS: Sixty-one. Page 61. Let ਂ. Have you ever seen portions of these 23 23 documents before? me see. 24 A. I have seen a portion of a transcript before. 24 (Pause.) 25 25 ். Do you know if it's one of these two THE WITNESS: Page 60, 61.\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 106 | | Page 107 |\n|-------|----------------------------------------------------------|-------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| l | Highly Confidential | l | Highly Confidential |\n| న | (Pause.) | 2 | From the few pages that Ms. Francis shared
ું. |\n| 3 | THE WITNESS: Sixty-two. I think it's | 3 | with you -- |\n| 4 | about that. | 4 | A.
Right. |\n| 5 | BY MR. LUFT: | 5 | -- what else do you have a clear recollection
். |\n| ్ | Q. Okay, so page 60 through 62 are the cnly | 5 | of from the 341 hearing? |\n| 7 | pages of the transcript that you've seen before? Pages | 7 | I don't have any specific recollection of the
बाह्य कड़ियाँ |\n| ్రం | 60 to 62 -- | ్రం | 341 meeting except there were a lot of chaotic moments |\n| 9 | I think so.
A. | 9 | and my dis- -- dissatisfaction of the situation caused |\n| 10 | And those are the portions Ms. Francis shared
ां | 10 | by the interpreting, but -- |\n| 11 | with you? | 11 | There is a general recollection of what -- what -- |\n| 12 | A.
Yes. | 12 | what that day -- of that day, but I don't have any other |\n| 13 | Other than the -- those portions of the
ﺰﻳ | 13 | specific recollection. |\n| । ਜੋ | transcript -- | । चै | Okay. Let's look at Exhibit 2. I will ask
் |\n| 15 | Uh-huh .
A. | 15 | you to first turn to page 31 and 32. |\n| 16 | -- can you tell me what else where your
ੁੰ. | 16 | 31 and 32?
ក្រុ |\n| 17 | memory's been refreshed, what else you recall about the | 17 | And I'll direct you specifically to the
్ర. |\n| । | questioning from the 341 hearings? | 18 | bottom of page 31 that carries over to 32. |\n| 19 | MR. HENZY: Objection, vague and | 1 9 | Do you see, on the bottom, it says \"Mr. Baldiga: |\n| 20 | ambiguous. | 20 | Our interpreter believes that the response was that if |\n| 21 | THE WITNESS: So you're asking me apart | 21 | he had a role at Golden Spring\" -- do you see that? |\n| 22 | from the -- | 22 | A.
Uh-huh, yes. |\n| ನಿತ | BY MR. LUFT: | ਨਤੇ | Are you the interpreter Mr. Baldiga is
း |\n| 24 | ਼ -
Apart -- | ੇ 4 | referring to there? |\n| 25 | A. | 25 | I believe so.
A. |\n| | -- from the transcript? | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 108 | | Page 109 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | Q. Would this have been an instance where you | 2 | page 45. |\n| 3 | passed Mr. Baldiga a note and that's how he knew you had | (ఎ | Do you see in the middle of the page, line 16, |\n| دلار | an issue? | 4 | Mr. Baldiga says, \"There's a translation issue\"? |\n| 5 | (Pause.) | 5 | Page 35?
র্বা |\n| ్ర | THE WITNESS: Probably. | ు | ்.
Page 45. |\n| 1 | BY MB, IUFT: | 7 | র্ন .
On. |\n| ട് | Q. Okay. If I turn to page 33, turn to line 12, | 8 | Line 16
். |\n| ் | Mr. Baldiga says, \"Hold on. There's a mistranslation | 5 | (Pause . ) |\n| 10 | there.\" | 10 | THE WITNESS: Yes. |\n| 11 | Do you think that's another instance of you passing | 11 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 12 | Mr. Baldiga a note? | 12 | And again, do you believe that's one of the
Artistics Article Architectures of |\n| 13 | (Several people enter the conference | 13 | instances where you passed Mr. Baldiga a note to express |\n| 1 में | room.) | । | your concern about the translation? |\n| 15 | MR. BASSETT: Let's go off the record. | 15 | A.
Yes. |\n| 16 | MR. HENZY: Sorry about that. | ો ર | Okay. Page 54. If you look at line 7,
். |\n| 17 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 11:15 a.m. | 17 | Mr. Baldiga -- this is Bill Baldiga. |\n| 18 | We're going off the record. | ાં કે | \"I'm sorry. I think there was a translation |\n| 19 | (Recess taken at 11:15 a.m.) | । ਤੇ | issue.\" He goes on. |\n| 20 | (Resumed at 12:03 p.m.) | 20 | Is this another instance where you would have |\n| 21 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 12:03 p.m. | 21 | passed Mr. Baldiga a note where you had a concern that |\n| 22 | We're back on the record. | 22 | there was a translation issue? |\n| 23 | BY MR. LUFT: | 23 | A.
Yes. |\n| 24 | I believe the last one I
் | 24 | And to be clear, I don't mean to imply that
். |\n| 25 | showed you was on page 33. I will ask you to turn to | 25 | I'm being comprehensive here with regard to all of |\n\n| | Page 110 | | Page 111 |\n|----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | l | Highly Confidential |\n| న | these. I'm just citing examples to understand. | N | Q. -- I cid not -- I didn't find any -- that's |\n| 3 | Un-huh .
кі | n | not to say there is not -- there may not be one, but |\n| | | | |\n| 4 | Turn to page 59.
் | ਲ ਕੀ | I -- I welcome you to look. I did not see any |\n| 5 | (Pause . ) | | 5 references to private interpreter speaking or someone |\n| ్ | BY MR. LUFT: | 5 | with your name speaking. |\n| 7 | Q. Do you see, line 7, \"Mr. Baldiga: We have a | -- J | Does that comport with your recollection that at |\n| 8 | translation issue. Hold on one second. I think our | 00 | the first 341 hearing, Mr. Baldiga was making the |\n| 9 | interpreter is hearing this translation.\" | 9 | objections and you were not speaking? |\n| 10 | Do you see that? | 10 | (Pause ) |\n| | | | |\n| 11 | ਕੇ .
les. | 11 | THE WITNESS: I have no recollection of |\n| 12 | ்
You are the interpreter he's referring to? | 12 | what happened -- |\n| 13 | ri
les. | 13 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| । ਹੈ | And you would have passed Mr. Baldiga a note?
ू . | ાં તે | ू.
Okay. |\n| 15 | દિ.
les. | 15 | -- and I assume when he said the
A. |\n| 16 | And this deposition was -- this -- sorry.
ू. | 16 | interpreter's -- you know, raising issue, and since I |\n| 17 | This hearing was conducted remotely? | 17 | did not speak, I assume that I was handing him the note, |\n| 18 | নি .
On, it was? | 18 | but -- |\n| 19 | ्.
I'm asking. | 19 | That is my assumption -- |\n| 20 | I don't.
A. | 20 | ੂੰ .
Okay. |\n| 21 | ੇ-
Do you recall? | 21 | -- but I have no recollection one way or the
A. |\n| 22 | I don't remember.
A. | 22 | other what happened. |\n| 23 | Okay. When I look through this day's
். | 23 | Can I take you -- ask you to take a moment --
் |\n| ਨ ਹੈ | transcript -- | ੰ ਜੋ | A.
Right. |\n| 25 | Uh-huh .
A. | 25 | -- and look at Exhibit 2 and see if you can
் |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 112 | | Page 113 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| ಿ | find any reference to you actually speaking on the | 2 | there was a portion of the transcript of the 341 |\n| 3 | record as opposed to Mr. Baldiga just making objections | 3 | hearing, excuse me, where you were passing Mr. Baldiga |\n| دلو | at your suggestion? | 4 | notes -- |\n| 5 | (Pause.) | 5 | নি। প্রা
Probably. |\n| ్ర | THE WITNESS: Counsel, you're asking me | ు | -- in connection as opposed to when you made
். |\n| 7 | to look through the document to see whether | - | a decision to start making -- speaking verbally |\n| B | there was any part of it that where it | ్రార | yourself? |\n| 9 | mentions \"private interpreter\"? Is that what | 5 | A. |\n| | | | Probably, but the thing is that it -- |\n| 10 | your question is? | 10 | it -- |\n| 11 | BY MR. LUFT: | 11 | It's quite puzzling to me because it's quite unlike |\n| 12 | Q. Correct. When I looked through this | 12 | me that I would not raise any oral issue, just handing |\n| 13 | document, I didn't see any reference to you. I could | 13 | him notes without -- you know, ever at one minute raise |\n| 14 | have missed one. | । ਪੈ | a dispute. |\n| 15 | I'm asking for you -- not that you have to look | 15 | It could be that I was just not recorded. I don't |\n| 16 | line listened by line -- | ો છ | know. Sometimes it was a decision made by court |\n| 17 | Uh-huh .
র্ম | 17 | reporting. |\n| 18 | -- but if you could just give a quick
் | । ਉ | Q. So you believe you may have spoken but the |\n| 19 | once-over and see if it -- if you see any reference to | 1 ਤੇ | court reporter just didn't take down what you said on |\n| 20 | statements by yourself in the transcript from March | 20 | the record? |\n| | | 21 | Sometimes decisions were made that since the
A. |\n| | | | |\n| 21 | 21st. | | |\n| 22 | A. Right. I flipped through it briefly, and I | 22 | private interpreter is not an official interpreter, so |\n| 23 | don't see myself mentioned. | 23 | the dispute raised was not recorded. |\n| 24
25 | Okay, so based on that and your -- do you
ुं
think -- does this comport with your recollection that | 24
25 | Sometimes like that. It could be like that. I
don't know. I don't see myself there (indicating). It |\n\n| l | Page 114
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: |\n| ಗಿ | so many notes, it would be quite unlike me that I did | 4 | next page, there are multiple references to \"the private |\n| 5 | not raise any verbal dispute -- oral dispute, yeah. | 5 | interpreter\"? |\n| ్ర | Do you see on the front cover of this
c | 5 | ना
les. |\n| / | document, it says \"Transcript prepared by Christine | ﻟﺴﺎ | Is that you?
ી * |\n| 00 | Fiori\"? | ్రం | MR. HENZY: Sorry. You're -- |\n| 9 | Uh-huh .
A. | 9 | MR. LUFT: Six and seven, Eric, middle of |\n| 10 | THE SHORTHAND REPORTER: \"Yes\" or \"no\"? | 10 | the page and then the next page. |\n| 11 | THE WITNESS: Yes. | 11 | MR. BASSETT: Exhibit 3. It might be 2. |\n| 12 | BY MR. LUFT: | 12 | MR. HENZY: Oh, I'm on Exhibit 2. Sorry. |\n| 13 | Q. Let's take a look at Exhibit 3, which is the | 13 | THE WITNESS: Yes. |\n| । ਹੈ | April 6th hearing. | । ने | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 15 | Do you see on the front cover of this transcript it | 15 | Okay. Are you the private interpreter that
၃ |\n| 16 | was also prepared by Christine Fiori? | 18 | is being referenced? |\n| 17 | යි.
Right. | 17 | A.
res. |\n| 18 | ੇ -
You see that? | 18 | So these --
். |\n| 1 9 | Yes.
A. | 19 | Where it says \"the private interpreter, \" those are |\n| 20 | ു.
Same person, correct? | 20 | your statements, correct? |\n| 21 | A.
res. | 21 | A.
Yes. |\n| 22 | Okay. Now, if we turn to page 10 of this
் | 22 | ்
Okay, and if I turn to page 10, do you see |\n| 23 | transcript -- or let's first go to page 6. | ਨੌਤੇ | there is a back and forth with regard to a translation |\n| ਨ ਹੈ | (Pause.) | ੰ ਜੋ | between you and the official interpreter? |\n| 25 | | 25 | A.
Yes. |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 116 | | Page 117 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | And Ms. Claiborne asks you to stop
் | 2 | A.
res. |\n| న | interrupting? | 3 | ं
And you want to correct it? |\n| دلو | A.
Yes. | 4 | র্বা
les. |\n| 5 | ்.
And you agree, correct? | 5 | Another example, page 39. Do you see page
्रः |\n| ్ర | A.
। ਦਿੰਦੇ : | ் | 39, line 15? |\n| 7 | Then if you go to page 16 -- to page 13,
ੁ - | ﻟﻤﺴﺎ | न्दं
Are. |\n| B | again, at the top of the page, you raise an objection | ్రం | ு. ஒ
Line 11, the question was \"Do you have |\n| ਿੰ | with regard to the interpreter? | 150 | authority to enter into financial transactions on behalf |\n| 10 | Yes .
म्, | 10 | of Golden Spring New York?\" |\n| 11 | And then, if we go to page 16, you have
्र. | 11 | And you raise an issue, saying, \"No, no. That's |\n| 12 | another lengthy objection? | 12 | not the question, \" correct? |\n| 13 | ् ।
Yes. | 13 | It appears so.
चं, |\n| 1 वे | So clearly, on this day the court reporter
ुं. | । ਪੈ | Q. So where you thought that there was a problem |\n| 15 | was taking down your statements, correct? | | 15 with the cuestion, you let the court reporter know that |\n| 1 P | les.
મે | | 16 it had -- and the translator that it had been |\n| 17 | ் -
And to the extent you had objections, you | 17. | mistranslated, correct? |\n| 18 | were saying them on the record, correct? | 13: | I believe so.
A - 1 |\n| 19 | res.
् । , | 19 | And if you turn to page 62 --
ू . |\n| 20 | Okay, and if we go to pages 21 through 22,
் | 20 | Did you say 52 or 62?
A. |\n| 21 | same thing? You're making objections on the record? | 21 | Sixty-two,
ਂ. |\n| 22 | র ,
les. | 22 | We see, again, when you had an issue with a |\n| 23 | And the reason you're making these objections
் | 23 | question, you raised it on the record and it's recorded |\n| ನಿರ
25 | is because you think there's been a mistake made in the
translation, correct? | 24
ವಿನ | as \"the private interpreter, \" correct?
A. Based on what it appear [sic] here, yes. |\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| Page 118 | Page 119 |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| Highly Confidential
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Q. If I turn to page 60, there is no reference | 2
(Pause.) |\n| to any statements by you taking the issue - with taking
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BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 4 Issue with any translations, correct? | 4
When you were doing your translation for
း |\n| | |\n| A. A. Un-huh. That's correct, here. This is the | 5
Ms. Francis -- |\n| part that is the chacs.
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Uh-huh
न्द |\n| 7 | ﻟﺴﺎ
-- if you heard on the audio recording things
் |\n| anything, correct?
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that were said that were not included in the record, |\n| 9 - 1 - 1 - 1 - (Pause.) | 9
would you have included them? |\n| THE WITNESS: Not on this transcript
103 | 10
A.
Yes. |\n| and a record.
1875 | Q. So to the extent on your translation there is
11 |\n| BY MR. ILFT:
12 - 1 | 12
no reference to any objection coming from you, that's |\n| | |\n| 13 C. And if I turn to page 61, again, no reference | 13
based on your listening to the audio and finding in fact |\n| 14 to you raising any objection to any translation issues, | । मै
you made no oblection, correct? |\n| ్లు
correcti | 15
A.
Can you repeat that question? |\n| 16 Not on the record here on this transcript. | 15
Sure. If I was to look at the document you
ू. |\n| Q. And as we talked about on page 62, when you | 17
produced for Ms. Francis -- |\n| lo had an objection, it was recorded on the record, | 18
A.
Yes. |\n| 15
contect? | Let me be clear.
19
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20 | 20
A.
res. |\n| 21 | 21 |\n| (Pause.) | To the extent you heard something on the
ုး |\n| 22
THE WITNESS: I think that is why | 22
audio that was not accurately recorded on the |\n| ನಿತ
sometimes -- | ਨ ਤੇ
transcript, you would have included it in the document |\n| ਨ ਚੋ
MR. HENZY: There's no question. | ੇ ਕੇ
you created for Ms. Francis, correct? |\n| 25
THE WITNESS: Okay. | 25
A.
Yes. |\n| | |\n| Page 120
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Q. So to the extent I look at the document you | 2
Would you look at page 61? Mr. Baldiga make
्रं |\n| | |\n| 3 created for Ms. Francis and there is no reference to you | 3
any objection with regard to the translation at your |\n| making an objection with regard to the translation, it's
ਹੈਂ | behest?
4 |\n| safe to say that when you listened to the audio, you did
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Not in here.
র্বা |\n| not hear yourself make any such objection, correct?
్ర | Did he make any objection to the translation
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at all? |\n| Okay. If I look at page 60 of --
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පි |\n| I may have handed a note, though.
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Q. Okay. In your translation that you did for |\n| 10 | |\n| So on this page, you may have reversed course
्र | 10
Ms. Francis, if there is no reference to Mr. Baldiga |\n| and all of a sudden started handing Mr. Baldiga a note
11 | 11
making an objection -- |\n| in the middle of this?
12 | 12
Uh-huh .
A. |\n| 13
MR. HENZY: Objection to the form of the | -- is it safe to say that when you listened
13
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question. It's argumentative. | to the audio, you did not hear Mr. Baldiga make any
1 के |\n| 15
THE WITNESS: Probably. | objection?
15 |\n| BY MR. LUFT:
16 | ો રે
If I did not recall that, that's correct,
प्रदर्शन की में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद में कि में बाद मे |\n| 17
Q. - You recall handing Mr. Baldiga a note? | 17
then he did not make any. |\n| 18
I actually recall that I handed in notes to
র্বা | 1 8
(Pause.) |\n| | |\n| Mr. Baldiga around that time. I don't know exactly
19 | । ਤੇ
BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 20
which line. Yes, I do. | 20
Q. If I could ask you to pull back Exhibit 1 -- |\n| 21
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Okay. Can you look at page 60? | 21
Exhibit 1 -- which is the debtor's objection, |\n| 22
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les. | 22
turn again to page 11 and go back to that first |\n| 23
Mr. Baldiga make any objection here with
ं | ನ ನ
sentence. |\n| ਨ ਚੋ
regard to the transfation? | 24
\"At any hearing on the motion, the debtor will put |\n| 25
No.
म् , | 25
on testimony from an interpreter as to the many material |\n\n| | Page 122 | | Page 123 |\n|------------|----------------------------------------------------------|----------|---------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | l | - Highly Confidential |\n| న | deficiencies in the official translation of the 341 | 2 | . And if we look at pages 60 and 61 of the 341
் |\n| 3 | meeting.\" | | hearing, you made no objection to any material |\n| 4 | Do you see that? | | deficiency in the translation, correct? |\n| 5 | Uh-huh, yes.
ব, | | Can you say that again?
Ar |\n| ్ | Okay. I believe you've testified that other
့ | | Sure. |\n| / | | | 7 = If you turn to Exhibit 3 and look at pages 60 and |\n| | than the portion of the transcript that Ms. Francis sent | | |\n| ్రా | you, you have not looked at the reference the 341 | | 8 61 -- |\n| 3 | hearing; is that correct? | | A. Page 60 to 61? |\n| 10 | That's correct.
A. | 1998 | (Pause . ) |\n| 11 | Q. I believe you testified with the exception of | | 11 - WH THE WITNESS: Yes. |\n| 12 | the transcript that Ms. Francis sent you where she | | 12 BI FF. DOHY |\n| | 13 refreshed your recollection, you have no specific | | 13 There is no record of you making any |\n| । ਜੋ | recollection of any specific mistakes made in the | | 14 - statement or objection to any purported material |\n| 15 | translation from the 341 hearing, correct? | | lo deficiency in the translation on page 60 or 61, correct of |\n| 16 | Not specific --
ਸ਼੍ਰ | 15. 15 | A. Not purportedly. |\n| 17 | Not specifically, but I remember there were | 1978 | - Q. All right. |\n| 18 | mistakes made. | | 18 There's no reference to you making any such |\n| 19 | Q. But you don't recall what they were? | | 19 cobjection at all, correct? |\n| 20 | That's correct.
में . | | 20 A A. Not on this record. |\n| 21 | So other than those pages that Ms. Francis
் | 21 | Q. And if I looked at your transcript and there |\n| 22 | sent you, which is 60 to 62, you have no recollection, | 22 | is no reference to you making such an objection, that |\n| 23 | sitting here today, of any specific material deficiency | ನಿತ | means -- when I say, \"your transcript,\" I mean the one |\n| 24 | in the official translation of the 341 meeting? | ੇ ਜੋ | you prepared for Ms. Francis. |\n| 25 | Not specifically.
A. | 25 | If there is no reference to you making any such |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 124 | | Page 125 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| | 2 objections on pages 60 and 61, then based on your | 2 | ்
Okay. |\n| 17 | re-listening to the hearing, you did not hear yourself | 3 | (Pause.) |\n| ਪ੍ਰ | make any objection to any alleged material deficiency -- | 4 | BY MR. IUFT: |\n| 5 | A.
Not -- | 5 | Q. Now, if we look back at Exhibit 1, on the |\n| ్ర | -- in the transcript?
். | ் | line that follows on page 11 -- |\n| 7 | A.
-- verbally. | 7 | MR. LUFT: Actually, strike that. |\n| B | When you say, \"not verbally\" --
். | ്റാ | (Pause.) |\n| 9 | ri,
Right. | ﻟﻠﺘﺮﺍ | BY MR. IUFT: |\n| 10 | ে
-- what do you mean? | 10 | Can you look at Exhibit 3?
್ತು. |\n| 11 | I am listening to the audio of that
ਸ਼ੁੰ | 11 | Other than pages 60 and 61 and 62, sitting here |\n| 12 | transcript. | 12 | today, can you tell me of any other material deficiency |\n| 13 | I don't hear myself, so I could not transcribe | 13 | in the translation that you're aware of other than in an |\n| 1 ने | what -- motions or actions -- you know, so no, I did not | 14 | instance where you made an objection on the record or |\n| | | 15 | |\n| 15 | record any oral objection that I raised, because I did | | asked Mr. Baldiga to do so? |\n| 16 | not make any oral objection or disputes. | ો રે | As I'm sitting here today, I have not looked
A. |\n| 17 | Okay, and if there is no reference to
் | 17 | through any pages except page 60 to 62. |\n| 18 | Mr. Baldiga making any objection to any translation for | ાં કે | I cannot say specifically what material mistake |\n| 19 | any reason, including because you've told him to do so | । ਤੇ | that was -- that were recorded or that were made. |\n| 20 | as we saw him do multiple times previously -- | 20 | ்
Okav. |\n| 21 | Uh-huh .
al | 21 | (Pause.) |\n| 22 | -- then you did not hear any objection by Mr.
். | 22 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 23 | Baldiga with regard to any of the testimony on pages 60 | ನ ನ | Can I ask you to turn to Exhibit 2?
் |\n| ਨ ਪੈ
25 | or 617
That's correct.
ੇ . | 24
25 | (Pause .) |\n\n| | Page 126 | | Page 127 |\n|--------|---------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | - Highly Confidential |\n| న | BY MR. LUFT: | 2 | \"Answer: No.\" |\n| 3 | First, turn to page 12.
ं | 3 | Did I read that correctly? |\n| 4 | Do you see on line 8, it says \"Other names I | 4 | A.
les. |\n| 5 | believe I heard earlier are
who is an | 5 | And there's no objection to the translation
். |\n| ్ర | interpreter. | 5 | by you there? |\n| 7 | Do you believe that is a reference to you? | ﻟﺴﺎ | र्य,
No. |\n| ్రి | Yes. Can -- am I looking at the same page? | ్రా | No objection by Mr. Baldiga?
். |\n| 3 | MR. HENZY: Go ahead, Avi. Go ahead. | 9 | ਕਿ .
No. |\n| 10 | Page 12? | 10 | Do you have any reason to believe that any
ു. |\n| 11 | BY MR. LUFT: | II | portion of that transcript was mistranslated by the |\n| 12 | It's Exhibit 2.
ੰ. | 12 | translator? |\n| 13 | MR. HENZY: Exhibit 2. | 13 | A.
No. |\n| । ਹੈ | BY MR. LUFT: | । चै | ੁ.
Okay . |\n| 15 | Page 12, line 8 through 10.
். | 15 | (Pause.) |\n| 16 | મ .
Right. Yes. | 16 | THE WITNESS: But -- |\n| 17 | Great. Okay. Can you turn to page 49? Do
் | 17 | MR. HENZY: There's -- there's no |\n| 18 | you see, starting at line 5, it says: | 18 | question. It's okay. |\n| 19 | \"Mr. Kwok, who are the owners of Golden Spring? | 19 | (Pause.) |\n| 20 | \"Answer: My son. | 20 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 21 | \"Are there any owners of Golden Spring other than | 21 | Something else you wanted to add?
் |\n| 22 | your son? | 22 | A.
I was just looking at the -- |\n| 23 | \"No. | ਨੌਤੇ | MR. HENZY: Well, now he's asked a |\n| 24 | \"Mr. Kwok, have you ever owned an interest in | ੰ ਕੇ | question, so you can. |\n| 25 | Golden Spring? | 25 | THE WITNESS: No. I mean, he -- |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 128 | 1 | Page 129 |\n| | Highly Confidential | | Highly Confidential |\n| 2
3 | Mr. Baldiga was -- some -- saying | 2 | but not too far. I'm going to ask you to turn back to |\n| 4 | something on line 16, right?
BY MR. LUFT: | (ఎ
4 | page 11 --
A.
OI? |\n| 5 | Q. Right. He's talking about some type of | 5 | -- of Exhibit 1. Sorry, ma'am.
ूं. |\n| ్ర | physical security concerns -- | 5 | (Pause . ) |\n| 7 | On.
ি : | 1 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| B | ् -
-- right? | ్రి | Q. Do you see it says, second line of the -- |\n| 9 | ri,
Right. | 5 | complete line of the page: |\n| 10 | ்.
It's not any objection to the translation -- | 10 | \"As an example, while the 'official' translation of |\n| 11 | ਕ:
Okay . | 11 | the April 6, 2022 341 meeting has the debtor answer \"no\" |\n| 12 | -- correct?
ੂ. | 12 | in response to the U.S. trustee's question, are there |\n| 13 | Okay.
ri | 13 | any other owners of Ace Decade?\" |\n| 14 | ुं.
Do you agree with me? | । ਪੈ | Just prior to that question, according to the |\n| 15 | 产。
Agreed. | 15 | official translation, the debtor reportedly answered the |\n| 16 | Okay, so you have no reason to believe that
ां | 16 | U.S. trustee's question \"Are you the only legal owner of |\n| 17 | the translator did not translate the portion I read to | 17 | Ace Decade?\" by stating that he was a legal representing |\n| 18 | you perfectly, correct? | । ਉ | owner. |\n| 19 | ri
Correct . | 1 ਤੇ | Do you see that? |\n| 20 | ਼ਾ
Okay. | 20 | A.
res. |\n| 21 | (Pause.) | 21 | I'm just asking you about the translation,
் |\n| 22 | BY MR. LUFT: | 22 | when you went over that part. This is part of the |\n| 23 | Now, if I go back to Exhibit 1 --
் | ನ ನ | portion you looked over for Ms. Francis, correct? |\n| 24 | I'm going to ask you to keep out Exhibit 3 and | 24 | res.
A. |\n| 25 | Exhibit 1. You can put Exhibit 2 to the side for now, | 25 | The question was correctly translated to the
். |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 130
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். |\n| 3 | correct? That was correctly translated? | 3 | mean? |\n| 4 | (Pause . ) | 4 | A.
Because it's written in here (indicating) . |\n| 5 | BY MR. LUFT: | (\"U | Okay, but when you did your analysis --
். |\n| ా | If you want, I can turn you to Exhibit 3, if
் | 5 | ता
Right. |\n| 7 | it's helpful. This is coming from page 61, I believe. | -- J | ்.
-- you also thought that that's what -- |\n| ్రం | Say that again. What page, again?
ਸ . | ్రా | Okay. If that appears on -- on mine, yes.
ਜੀ |\n| 9 | ்.
I believe this is page 61. | ್ರ | ்.
Well, do you recall? Do you have a -- |\n| 10 | A.
Sixty-one . | 10 | (Thereupon, an informal discussion was |\n| 11 | I believe we're looking at -- lines 6 and 7,
். | 11 | held off the record with the shorthand |\n| 12 | I believe, is what the debtor's counsel was cuoting. | 12 | reporter. ) |\n| 13 | (Pause . ) | 13 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| । ਹੈ | BY MR. LUFT: | । चै | Sitting here today, do you recall if that
். |\n| 15 | Sorry. Not six and seven.
். | 15 | line was correctly translated? |\n| 16 | No, that's correct. Six and seven, I believe is | 15 | I don't recall when I'm sitting here that
पद्म |\n| 17 | what's being referenced in that paragraph. | 17 | that line was correctly translated. |\n| 18 | ् ।
Sixty-one? | 18 | Sitting here today, do you have a
் |\n| 19 | 2. Do you see line 6, \"Are there any other | 19 | recollection of the translation you did with regard to |\n| 20 | owners of Ace Decade ? | 20 | page 60 and 61? |\n| 21 | \"Answer: No.\" | 21 | A.
No. |\n| 22 | Do you see that? | 22 | So it I was to look over pages 60 and 61,
င |\n| 23 | A.
I see that. | ਨੌਤੇ | sitting here today, Icoking at the transcript, you could |\n| 24 | ்.
And that was correctly translated, right? | 24 | not tell me which lines were correctly translated in |\n| 25 | A.
Purportedly, yes. | 25 | your opinion and which lines were not? |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| 1 | Page 132
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No. | 2 | Highly Confidential
Sitting here today, I -- I am unable to say
A. |\n| 3 | ்.
Okay . | 3 | whether it was properly translated. |\n| 4 | (Pause.) | 4 | Q. So you cannot tell me if you are offering any |\n| న | BY MR. LUFT: | 5 | expert opinion with regard to whether that line was |\n| ్ర | The next line on Exhibit 1 says \"The debtor's
் | ் | properly translated? |\n| 【 | interpreter will testify, however, that the proper | ﻟﻤﺪﻳﻨﺔ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪ | MR. HENZY: Objection. That's -- that |\n| ി | interpretation of the debtor's response to U.S. | ്വാ | was not testimony. |\n| ் | trustee's question 'Are you the only legal owner of Ace | 5 | BY MR. INFT: |\n| 10 | Decade?' was 'I am legally representing the owner.' '\" | 10 | That's my question to you.
். |\n| 11 | did you tell counsel for the debtor | 11 | Without any material help me, I cannot just
ናር |\n| 12 | that that is what you were going to testify to the | 12 | rely on my recollection to tell you that that was |\n| 13 | court? | 13 | properly translated or not. |\n| 1 पें | I did not tell that to anyone. No one asked
A. | । ਪੈ | Okay. I have provide you the transcript,
் |\n| 15 | me that question. | 15 | correct? |\n| 16 | Okay.
्र | ો ર | This is a transcript, yes (indicating). You
A. |\n| 17 | (Pause.) | 17 | have provided me with this transcript, yes, appeared |\n| 18 | BY MR. LUFT: | ાં કે | before me. |\n| । ਕੇ | Now, I believe that is a reference to lines 3
City | 19 | I'm asking:
ू . |\n| 20 | through 5 of page 61. Do you see that? | 20 | Sitting here today, can you tell me if you're |\n| 21 | Yes.
A. | 21 | planning to offer any opinion with regard to whether the |\n| 22 | It says \"Are you the only legal owner of Ace
் | 22 | question \"Are you the only legal owner of Ace Decade?\" |\n| 23 | Decade ?!! | 23 | was properly translated into Chinese at the time by the |\n| 24 | Sitting here today, do you recall if that question | 24 | official interpreter? |\n| 25 | was properly translated into Chinese? | 25 | MR. HENZY: Objection, argumentative. |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| | Page 134 | | Page 135 |\n|------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | THE WITNESS: I cannot offer an expert | N | ደር
Did I say not with or not without? Not |\n| 3 | opinion or professional opinion whether this | ప | without, I should say. |\n| 4 | was properly translated (indicating) just | 4 | MR. HENZY: I think you said not without. |\n| 5 | based on this transcript before me, without | 5 | MR. LUFT: That's what I heard. |\n| | | 5 | |\n| ్ | any other audio file or to -- to -- to -- to help. | | MR. HENZY: That's what I heard, too. |\n| 7 | BY MR. LUFT: | 7 | MR. LUFT: I'm not following along with |\n| ్రం | Q. Okay, and if I look at next line, the answer | ్రం | the realtime. Okay. |\n| ੇ | \"I am a legal representing owner,\" sitting here today, | 9 | (Pause . ) |\n| TD | can you tell -- tell me if you're offering any expert | 10 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| IT | opinion with regard to whether that sentence was | 11 | Sitting here today, can you tell me, if I was
ﺰ |\n| 12 | properly translated into -- by the official interpreter? | 12 | to look at lines 3 through 10, what you believe in your |\n| 13 | MR. HENZY: Objection. Vague, ambiguous. | 13 | opinion the proper translation of those lines should |\n| । ਹੈ | THE WITNESS: No, I cannot, without any | । पै | have been? |\n| 15 | audio file to assist. | 15 | A.
No, I can't. |\n| 16 | BY MR. LUFT: | ો ક | ू.
Okay. |\n| 17 | Q. So sitting here today, you cannot tell me if | 17 | (Pause.) |\n| । ਉ | you plan to offer any expert opinion with regard to | 18 | BY MR. LUFT: |\n| 1 | lines 3 through 5 of page 61 of the April 6th 341 | ો કે | Q. It I ask you to look at page 60, line 16, do |\n| 20 | transcript? | 20 | you see it says: |\n| 21 | Not without the audio file to cross-reference
A. . | 21 | \"Question: Mr. Kwok, do you own any interest in a |\n| 22 | with this transcript. | 22 | company called Ace Decade Holdings Limited? |\n| 23 | (Pause.) | ਨ ਤੇ | \"Answer: Yes.\" |\n| ਨ ਹੋ | BY MR. LUFT: | ੇ ਹੋ | Do you see that? |\n| 25 | ்.
Okay. | 25 | I see that.
A. |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 136 | | Page 137 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | And there's no objection from you to that
் | 2 | And sitting here today, to your knowledge,
் |\n| 3 | question? | న | you cannot tell me if you know that there is anything |\n| 4 | A.
Not appear to be. | 4 | wrong with the question and answer at line 16 through 18 |\n| 5 | ்.
No objection from Mr. Baldiga, correct? | 5 | on page 60? |\n| ్ర | A.
Not appeared to be, yes. | ் | I'm unable -- I am unable to tell you whether
सं |\n| 7 | Sitting here today, can you tell me if you
ાં આવેલા ગુજરાત રાજ્યના ગુજરાત રાજ્યના ગુજરાત રાજ્યના ભ | 1 | there is anything wrong with it. |\n| ന്ന | plan to offer any expert opinion as to whether that | ു | Q. And same thing with regard to lines 3 through |\n| ੀ | question and answer on page 60 of the transcript that is | ﻟﻠﺘﺮﺍ | 10 on page 61? |\n| 10 | Exhibit 3 was correctly translated? | 10 | A.
Same thing happen with those lines. |\n| 11 | (Pause.) | 11 | MR. LUFT: Okay. Let's take a break real |\n| 12 | THE WITNESS: I can't without the audio | 12 | quick and see where we are. |\n| 13 | file. | 13 | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 12:39 p.m. |\n| । पै | (Pause.) | । | We're going off the record. |\n| 15 | BY MR. LUFT: | 15 | |\n| 16 | | ોર્મ | (Recess taken at 12:39 p.m.) |\n| 17 | Q. Okay. When was the last time you listened to
the audio file? | 17 | (Resumed at 12:48 p.m.)
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 12:48 p.m. |\n| 18 | A. | । ਉ | We're back on the record. |\n| | That portion of the audio file that was given | 1 ਤੇ | 大 |\n| 19 | to me by Ms. Francis -- | | MR. LUFT: Okay. |\n| 20 | The last time I listened to it was the date I | 20 | I am going to renew my |\n| 21 | worked on it and it would be the day or several days | 21 | request for the emails you described between |\n| 22 | before I sent it back to her. | 22 | yourself and Ms. Francis and any other counsel |\n| 23 | Q. Did anyone play that audio file for you in | 23 | representative of Mr. Kwok. |\n| ਨ ਪੈ
25 | preparation for this deposition?
No.
A. | 24
25 | And I'm going to reserve right to ask you
additional questions if I'm provided those |\n\n877-702-958C\n\n| 1 | Page 138
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Highly Confidential |\n|----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------|--------------------------------------------------------|\n| న | documents, which I should be, but other than | 2 | MR. LUFT: Objection, foundation. |\n| 3 | that, I have no further questions for you at | 3 | BY MR. HENZY: |\n| 4 | this time. | 4 | Okay, but -- you can answer, but --
ு. |\n| 5 | THE WITNESS: You are asking me -- | 5 | A.
I don't know. |\n| ్ | MR. HENZY: You don't need to answer. | న | Okay. Okay. Did --
್ತ. |\n| 7 | THE WITNESS: Okay. I just have a couple | ﻟﺴﺎ | Do you know whether she ever was, in fact, an |\n| 8 | questions. | ్రా | employee of Mr. Kwok? |\n| 9 | MR. LUFT: Okay. | 9 | MR. LUFT: Objection, leading. |\n| 10 | | 10 | THE MITNESS: I don't. I only assume. |\n| 11 | CROSS-EXAMINATION | 11 | MR. HENZY: Okay. I -- okay. That's |\n| 12 | BY MR. HENZY: | 12 | (Pause.) |\n| 13 | | 13 | BY MR. HENZY: |\n| । ਹੈ | Q. Mr. Luft asked you some questions about | । चै | Just -- can you look at Exhibit 2 and Exhibit
் |\n| 15 | whether Yvette Wanq was an employee of Mr. Kwok. When | 15 | 37 |\n| 16 | was the last time Yvette Wang called you about a job? | 15 | (Pause . ) |\n| 17 | It's a long, long time ago. I --
වි අධි | 17 | BY MR. HENZY: |\n| 18 | े.
More than two years ago? | 18 | Q. On Exhibit 2, on the very first page, if you |\n| 19 | A.
Probably. | 19 | go to the -- where it says -- do you see where it says |\n| 20 | Okay. More than three years ago?
். | 20 | \"Transcript of Telephonic 341 Meeting of Creditors\"? |\n| 21 | I cannot be certain.
A. | 21 | Yes, I see it.
A. |\n| 22 | Okay, but -- but -- okay.
் | 22 | Okay. Do you see where it says \"Telephonic\"?
். |\n| 23 | Do you have any knowledge of whether or not | ਨ ਤੋਂ | A.
Yes. |\n| 24 | Ms. Wang is an employee of Mr. Kwok today? | ਟ ਕੇ | ् .
Okay. Then, go to Exhibit 3. |\n| 25 | I don't know.
A. | 25 | Uh-huh .
A. |\n| | | | |\n| | | | |\n| | Page 140 | | Page 141 |\n| 1 | Highly Confidential | 1 | Highly Confidential |\n| 2 | It says \"Transcript of Continued 341 Meeting
c | 2 | job, then you assume she's the staff of that office, |\n| 3 | of Creditors\"? | રે | right? |\n| 4 | A.
Yes. | 4 | ்
That office is Golden Spring? |\n| 5 | ்
That's for April 6th, right? | 5 | ત્વં
At the time, I believe so. |\n| ్ర | A.
les. | రు | And Mr. Kwok's the head of Golden Spring, so
். |\n| 7 | It doesn't say \"telephonic\" there, correct?
್ತು. | ri | it makes sense, right? |\n| B | ri
Correct. | 00 | I don't know.
ને . |\n| 9 | MR. LUFT: Leading. | 9 | But you said she works for Mr. Kwok. Is the
். |\n| 10 | MR. HENZY: Okay. I don't have anything | 10 | job for him? |\n| 11 | further. | 11 | Because that conference was a conference
स्व |\n| 12 | MR. IUFT: Okay. | 12 | of -- of a subject that is Mr. Kwok's. It -- it -- |\n| 13 | | 13 | that -- the conference is about anti-Chinese Communist |\n| 1 पे | REDIRECT EXAMINATION | । ਉ | Party, so that is Mr. Kwok's subject. |\n| 15 | BY MR. LUFT: | 15 | And then I was engaged to be his interpreter, so I |\n| 16 | | ો છ | assumed she was from his office, and I don't know |\n| 17 | 2. Ms. Wang, why did you assume -- sorry. | 17 | anything other than that. |\n| 18 | why did you assume Ms. Wang is an | । ਉ | Q. At the conference, who else did you meet from |\n| 19 | employee of Mr. Kwok? | । ਤੇ | Mr. Kwok's office? |\n| 20 | She called me for -- to be -- to do the
A. | 20 | But that conference did not take place.
A. |\n| 21 | interpreting for the event, so -- | 21 | At any of the other conferences you worked,
் |\n| 22 | Q. Why -- why did that lead you to believe that | 22 | who else from Mr. Kwok's office did you meet? |\n| 23 | she worked for Mr. Kwok? | 23 | I don't meet with anyone.
ជុំ |\n| 24
25 | Well, she's in that office, I assume. So
A.
she's calling for -- well, when someone calls you for a | 24
25 | ்.
You've never met anyone else --
A.
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் | 2 | Mr. Kwok, correct? |\n| 3 | -- not -- I --
A. | 3 | A.
At the time, yes. |\n| 4 | I met with some other people, but I don't know | ಿ | |\n| | | 5 | MR. LUFT: Okay. I have no further |\n| 5 | whether they are from his office. I went to conference. | | questions. |\n| ్ | I went to my booth. I sat down. I did my job. | రా | THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This concludes today's |\n| 7 | Q. Who sent you the checks from Golden Spring | ﻟﺴﻨﺔ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻮﻯ | deposition of |\n| 00 | when you worked for these conferences? | ్రం | The time is 12:53 p.m. We're off the |\n| 9 | You know, I actually did not look at the
A. A. | ್ರಿ | record. |\n| 10 | signature. | 10 | (Thereupon, the deposition concluded at |\n| 11 | And when you had a job -- needed a job, it
். | 11 | 12:53 p.m.) |\n| 12 | was always Ms. Wang who would contact you? | 12 | (The exhibits were retained by the |\n| 13 | At the beginning, for the conferences.
स्वं, | 13 | shorthand reporter to be attached to the |\n| । ਹੈ | ்.
So if it was a legal matter, Ms. Francis -- | ાં તે | transcript.) |\n| 15 | A.
Uh-huh . | 15 | 文文大
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-- the general counsel of Golden Spring, | 16 | |\n| 17 | would contact you -- | 17 | |\n| । 8 | ri
ies. | 18 | |\n| 19 | -- to act on -- to act on behalf of Mr. Kwok?
். | 19 | |\n| 20 | To be the interpreter for the -- for the
् द | 20 | |\n| 21 | deposition or for the court hearing. | 21 | |\n| 22 | For -- for Mr. Kwok?
் | 22 | |\n| 23 | | ਨਤੇ | |\n| | A.
For Mr. Kwok, yes. | | |\n| 24 | And if it was nonlegal work, then Ms. Wang
਼ - | ੰ ਕੇ | |\n| 25 | was the one who would make the request on behalf | 25 | |\n| | Page 144 | | Page 145 |\n| 1
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10 | | | 10 any of the parties to this action by blood or |\n| | | 11 | marriage; and that I am in no way interested in |\n| 11 | | 12 - | the outcome of this matter. |\n| 12 | | 1 3 | IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have bergunto set my |\n| 13
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Highly Confidential | |\n|-------|--------------------------------------------|--|\n| 2 | ERRATA SHEET FOR THE TRANSCRIPT OF: | |\n| | 3 Case Name: In Re: Ho Wan Kwok | |\n| | 4 Dep. Date: November 11, 2022 | |\n| | 5 Deponent: | |\n| | 6 - Reason codes: | |\n| 7 | 1. To clarify the record. | |\n| రూ | 2. To conform to the facts. | |\n| | 3. To correct transcription errors. | |\n| 10 | Pg. | |\n| 11 | | |\n| 12 | | |\n| 13 | | |\n| 14 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| 15 | | |\n| | | |\n| 17 18 | | |\n| | | |\n| 19 | | |\n| 20 | | |\n| | Signature of Deponent | |\n| 21 | | |\n| | 22 SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME | |\n| | 23 THIS ________ DAY OF | |\n| 2 ਪੁੱ | | |\n| | 25 (Notary Public) My Commission Expires: | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n| | | |\n\n| | | | | Index: \\$10,000association |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------|\n| | 139:14,18 | 49 126:17 | 9:40 24:14 | aided 48:19 49:2,3 |\n| ક | 20 72:9 76:18,20 | | 9:45 24:15,16 | alleged 124:4 |\n| \\$10,000 84:19 | 2016 77:20 84:21 | 5 | | ambiguous 19:21 |\n| \\$20,000 84:24 | 85:10 | 5 126:18 132:20 | A | 20:4 22:25 49:8 50:3 |\n| \\$50,000 85:2,4 | 2017 77:20 84:21 | 134:19 | a.m. 6:9 24:12,14,15, | 72:20 78:24 97:21
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aware 46:4 73:16 | believes 107:20 | casual 87:19 | Claiborne's 35:25 | |\n| 80:21 125:13 | belongs 95:19 96:2 | catch 91:18 | claim 14:19 | |\n| | Bill 109:17 | catching 45:10 | claiming 32:14 | |\n| ్రామ | bit 30:11 34:10,25 | 46:12 | clarify 25:22 44:4 | |\n| bachelor 93:6 | block 49:19 | caught 45:7 46:4
53:15 | clarifying 53:3 76:17 | |\n| back 24:17 25:15 | book 99:8 | caused 107:9 | classic 67:3 | |\n| 31:4 37:19 38:4
45:11.15 53:5 57:11. | booth 142:6 | certified 72:7,12 | clear 30:15 35:6 | |\n| 24 58:2 60:2,12,15 | boss 81:4,14 89:14 | chance 24:20 | 36:23 48:22 50:4
51:2 102:8 107:5 | |\n| 62:2 63:16 65:4,16,
24 67:18 108:22 | boss 81:12 | chaos 47:21 118:6 | 109:24 119:19 | |\n| 115:23 121:20,22 | bottom 107:18.19 | chaotic 34:10,25 | client 19:9 21:22 | |\n| 125:5 128:23 129:2
136:22 137:18 | break 10:5,14 21:18 | 35:13,20,21 36:4,14 | 63:12,13,14 | |\n| | 24:9 137:11 | 37:2,25 43:23 44:10,
21 45:3 46:23 47:22 | client's 13:11 | |\n| | | | | |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9586\n\nIndex: assume..conducted\n\n| Index: | assum | |\n|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------|\n| 50:18 51:25 107:8 | clients | |\n| Chapter 6:18,21,24, | colleag | |\n| 25 8:11 21:3 22:8 | colleac | |\n| characterizes 79:6 | college | |\n| charge 64:8
check 30:9 43:19 | comme
46:12 | |\n| 55:9,11 57:12 77:12,
22 78:10 79:21 | commi | |\n| 82:11,13 83:13 87:21
88:20 91:2,4,13 | commi
88:10 | |\n| 98:23 101:22 102:6,
20 | commi
43:11 | |\n| checking 57:23 | commi | |\n| checks 142:7 | 67:25 | |\n| Cheryll 6:14 | Comm | |\n| Chinese 37:19 41:16
45:24,25 52:21,23 | compa
38:22 | |\n| 58:14 67:6 93:22
102:17 103:9 132:25
133:23 | compe
90:20, | |\n| choice 68:9 | compe
90:10 | |\n| chooses 72:13 | comple | |\n| chose 49:13 60:10 | comple | |\n| Christine 114:7,16 | 58:24 | |\n| citing 110:2
Civil 21:4 22:9 | compl
60:13 | |\n| Claiborne 35:23 | compl | |\n| 37:10,14,21 38:7
45:7,10,16 46:4,12 | compo
112:25 | |\n| 52:16 53:14 116:2
Claiborne's 35:25 | compr
109:25 | |\n| claim 14:19 | conce | |\n| claiming 32:14 | concer | |\n| clarify 25:22 44:4 | concer | |\n| clarifying 53:3 76:17 | concer | |\n| classic 67:3
clear 30:15 35:6 | conclu
143:10 | |\n| 36:23 48:22 50:4 | conclu | |\n| 51:2 102:8 107:5
109:24 119:19 | conclu
70:18 | |\n| client 19:9 21:22
63:12,13,14 | 73:10.
condu | |\n| client's 13:11 | | |\n| | | |\n| conference 78:4,5,
6,21 79:18,19 80:16
82:2 88:12,16,18 | 93:8,19 95:24 103:17
113:6 | |\n| 89:10 108:13 141:11, | considered 100:21 | |\n| 13,18,20 142:5 | consult 93:12.15 | |\n| conferences 79:8,
10,14,16 84:16 88:15
141:21 142:8.13 | consulted 42:10
93:13 | |\n| confidential 6:1 7:1.
14.16 8:1 9:1 10:1 | contact 15:3,5,6,17
16:21,23 27:14
142:12,17 | |\n| 11:1 12:1 13:1 14:1
15:1 16:1 17:1 18:1
19:1 20:1 21:1 22:1 | contacted 16:25
17:4.16 | |\n| 23:1 24:1 25:1 26:1
27:1 28:1 29:1 30:1
31:1 32:1 33:1 34:1 | contempt 19:25
20:21 21:4 22:9 23:7
73:20 90:17 | |\n| 35:1 36:1 37:1 38:1
39:1 40:1 41:1 42:1 | content 47:23 | |\n| 43:1 44:1 45:1 46:1
47:1 48:1 49:1 50:1
51:1 52:1 53:1 54:1 | context 75:6 96:25
100:17 101:4.9.11.
14,16 | |\n| 55:1 56:1 57:1 58:1
59:1 60:1 61:1 62:1
63:1 64:1 65:1 66:1 | continued 52:17
104:11 140:2 | |\n| 67:1 68:1 69:1 70:1
71:172:173:174:1 | continuous 99:18 | |\n| 75:1 76:1 77:1 78:1 | contract 81:19 | |\n| 79:1 80:1 81:1 82:1 | contracted 82:19 | |\n| 83:1 84:1 85:1 86:1
87:1 88:1 89:1 90:1 | convenient
10:6 | |\n| 91:1 92:1 93:1 94:1
95:1 96:1 97:1 98:1 | conversant 87:12 | |\n| 99:1 100:1 101:1 | conversation 45:12
53:7 97:13 | |\n| 102:1 103:1 104:1
105:1 106:1 107:1 | | |\n| 108:1 109:1 110:1 | conversationally
87:19 | |\n| 111:1 112:1 113:1 | | |\n| 114:1 115:1 116:1
117:1 118:1 119:1 | conversations 13:5
46:3 66:3 | |\n| 120:1 121:1 122:1
123:1 124:1 125:1 | cooperating 56:7 | |\n| 126:1 127:1 128:1 | copies 59:15 93:24 | |\n| 129:1 130:1 131:1 | 94:6 99:22 103:24 | |\n| 132:1 133:1 134:1
135:1 136:1 137:1 | copy 21:2 43:3,4,6 | |\n| 138:1 139:1 140:1 | 55:14 57:15 58:15, | |\n| 141:1 142:1 143:1 | 16.17 104:10 | |\n| confused 44:25 | Corporate 21:5 22:9 | |\n| confusing 34:10 | correct 60:16 67:22.
23 73:19,21 75:6,8 | |\n| Connecticut 23:23 | 89:24 101:20,23 | |\n| connection 20:21 | 102:15,23 103:3,6, | |\n| | | |\n| dis- 107:9 | East 6:12 | EXAM |\n| discard 99:10 | Edwin 6:10 | 140:14 |\n| discarded 99:6,11, | electronic 56:20 | examii |\n| 19
disclose 71:22 | email 16:23 43:15
54:18,19 55:14,17 | examp
110:2 |\n| discovery 60:19 | 56:20 57:7.11.15,16,
18,21 65:13 | except
122:11 |\n| discrete 30:11 | emails 137:21 | exchai |\n| discussed 95:7 97:4 | employee 79:4 | 60:18 |\n| discussion 12:8
16:9 21:9 39:12 54:9
79:25 95:8,20 96:6,9
97:10 131:10 | 138:15,24 139:8
140:19
end 67:19 | exchai
exclus
excure |\n| | engaged 141:15 | |\n| dispute 27:21 28:23,
25 33:19 35:17 39:23
40:6 45:15.17 52:6 | England 93:4,7
English 37:16,19,20 | exhibit
22:10
58:20 |\n| 113:14,23 114:5
disputes 30:11
35:16 40:12,14.16,
19.20.21 41:18 50:19
52:4 124:16 | 38:21,23 41:16 46:2
53:5 58:12 86:5,12,
16,17,22,24 87:4,10,
12 93:21,23 102:13
103:12,18 | 103:25
10,16
114:13
121:20
125:5, |\n| disregarding 41:2 | enter 108:13 117:9 | 13 128
129:5 |\n| disrupt 30:10 | entered 7:11 | 136:10 |\n| dissatisfaction | entire 42:18 | exhibit
60:21 |\n| 107:9 | entitled 69:13,22,24 | expect |\n| divide 85:6 | 71:6,8 | expect |\n| division 85:6
document 21:6 42:6, | entity 82:15 83:9
87:22 | experi |\n| 11 62:9,12,15,18,25 | Entry 21:3 22:8 | expert |\n| 68:2 112:7,13 114:7
119:16,23 120:2
documents 41:22
56:7 94:15 104:3,19,
23 105:5,6 138:2 | Eric 7:3 11:22 16:4
55:19 56:6 59:11
60:8 66:10 68:5
71:16 115:9 | 69:4,7
24 71:
72:5,1
10,16,
134:2. |\n| dollars 64:16 91:19 | error 35:22 37:8
52:16 53:15 103:17, | expert |\n| drafts 62:8,11 94:18 | 22 | Explair |\n| duly 7:23 | estimate 47:13 80:4 | expres |\n| | 84:11 | extent |\n| = | etiquette 41:3 53:22 | 119:1 |\n| e-mailed 43:7,8 | event 81:5,6 82:21
88:17 140:21 | |\n| earlier 126:5 | events 85:7,8 | fact 9: |\n| early 78:2 84:15
earned 84:7.19 | exact 27:3 30:14
59:14 | 53:11
69:3,7
119:13 |\n| | | |\n| MINATION 8:5 | Failur | |\n| ): 14 | falling | |\n| mined 7:24 | famili | |\n| mples 101:2
):2 | family | |\n| eption 78:21 | fault | |\n| 2:11 | federa | |\n| hange 52:3,24 | feel 3 | |\n| 18 | fellow | |\n| hanged 51:9 | field | |\n| usively 69:11 | Fifty | |\n| use 113:3
bit 20:25 21:7,25
10 25:15 42:5
20 60:18 68:6 | file 5
67:17
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filed : | |\n| 3:25 104:2,4,5,6,
16 107:14 111:25 | final
- | |\n| 4:13 115:11,12 | tinand | |\n| 1:20,21 123:7
5:5,10,23 126:12, | find 3 | |\n| 128:23,24,25 | 112:2 | |\n| 9:5 130:6 132:6
5:10 139:14,18,24 | findin | |\n| bits 7:13 59:2,15 | fine 8 | |\n| 21 143:12 | 15:15
61:19 | |\n| ect 83:21,24 91:3 | finish | |\n| ecting 90:23,25 | finish | |\n| erienced 72:12 | Fiori | |\n| ert 60:7 68:21
4,7,15,20 70:15,
71:2,7,11,21,22
5,16 73:7,17 74:3,
16,24 75:5 133:5
4:2,10,18 136:8 | TIrm
18:13
63:22
74:9
flares | |\n| erts 93:14 | flippe | |\n| lain 58:10 | Floor | |\n| ress 109:13 | follow | |\n| nt 116:17 | 18 17 | |\n| 9:11,21 120:2 | Fores | |\n| ﻠ | torm | |\n| | forma | |\n| 9:18 41:15 45:14
11 54:18 68:20 | formi | |\n| 3,7,10,11 100:11
9:13 139:7 | forwa
71:12 | |\n| | | |\n\nPaul Hastings*GJS*002162\nUSAO-REL 001597030\n\n25 117:3,12,17,24 118:4,5,8,15,19 119:14,24 120:6,7 121:16 122:9,10,15, 20 123:4,15,19 124:25 128:12,18,19 129:23 130:3.16 133:15 136:5 140:7,8 143.2\n\ncorrectly 127:3 129:25 130:3,24 131:15,17,24 136:10\n\ncorrespond 49:3\n\ncounsel 6:15 8:3 11:18 24:20 25:17 26:15,19,23 27:18 28:24 29:10 31:20, 21,23 33:5 34:15 40:22 43:9 63:23 66:25 74:23 86:13 87:3,9 94:25 96:14 99:21,25 100:7 112:6 130:12 132:11 137:22 142:16\n\ncounsel's 15:23 16:2.18 17:12 18:10 33:4 63:22 83:14 97:2\n\ncounsels 95:5\n\ncouple 65:19 138:7\n\ncourt 6:14 7:6 8:16 10:21 20:19 23:23 30:9 41:5 46:2 70:21 72:6,7,9,10,12,13,21 73:4,12,14 75:5 76:7, 13,23 77:23 78:11, 15,16 79:21 80:15 83:13 86:23 89:5 90:18,19 96:17 102:7,9 113:16,19 116:14 117:15 132:13 142:21\n\ncourt's 59:24,25 60:13.17\n\ncourtroom 97:16\n\ncourts 77:3 cover 54:16,20 114:6.15\n\ncovered 67:2.4\n\ncurrent 26.23 D D.C. 78:7 Daniel 89:8 date 14:3 27:4 36:7 37:4 47:5 88:22 92:13 136:20 dated 56:23 Dawn 39:10 40:3,7\n\ncreated 93:25 119:24\n\ncreating 62:14\n\n139:20 140:3\n\ncritical 31:14\n\nEXAMINATION\n\ncross-reference\n\ncrosstalk 18:2 49:24\n\nCROSS-\n\n138:11\n\n134:21\n\n61:14\n\ncreditors 104:7,11\n\n120:3\n\n46:15 52:9,15 53:16\n\nday 34:10,24 49:10 55:6 64:8,15,16,23 91:22,25 92:4 99:14 107:12 116:14 136:21\n\nday's 110:23\n\ndays 62:21 65:19,20 75:12 78:2 84:15 136-21\n\ndeadline 60:17\n\ndebtor 21:4 22:8,13 26:8,15,19 121:24 129:11,15 130:2 132-11\n\ndebtor's 21:2 22:7 26:6,22 42:6 121:21 130:12 132:6,8\n\nDecade 39:9 40:3,7 46:15 52:9,15 53:15 95:9 96:20 97:4.11. 15,19 98:8 129:13,17\n\nIndex: conference. . directions\n\n130:2,20 132:23 133:22 135:22\n\nDecade?' 132:10\n\ndecide 9:12 34:16\n\ndecision 13:10,11 30:18 31:6 113:7,16\n\ndecisions 113:21\n\ndeemed 69:19\n\ndefamation 78:15 79:21 81:7 83:4\n\ndeficiencies 22:15 23:8 25:18 26:3,9,16, 20,24 27:20 28:15 127.7\n\ndeficiency 27:25 28:6 34:7 122:23 123:4,15 124:4 125:12\n\ndegree 93:6\n\ndeparting 97:16\n\ndepends 91:21\n\ndeposed 8:11 23:11 90:19\n\ndeposition 6:4,6 7:4, 12,18 8:24 15:13 31:19 32:25 38:12 41:23 57:5 71:23 110:16 136:24 142:21 143:7,10\n\ndepositions 9:23 102:7\n\nderived 46:25\n\nderiving 47:22\n\ndescribe 45:18 47:16 93:18\n\ndescribing 37:13\n\ndesignated 7:13,17\n\ndesignating 7:12\n\nDespins 6:25 95:19 96:2\n\ndirect 8:5 107:17\n\ndirection 66:25\n\ndirections 90.2\n\n54:16 70:3 78:11.16\n\n84:2 85:18 87:23\n\n------\n\ne 21:4 22:9 ්ර 91:24 iarity 9:25 y 19:12 90:5 23:19,25 al 56:2 69:14 31:13 v 81:25 82:3 93:15 85:6 7:8,24 58:5,7 7 134:6,15,21 13,17,18,23 58:19 60:17 cial 117:9 33:24 111:2 2 114:3 ig 119:13 8:9 9:15 10:3 5 19:22 33:14,16 ග 21:19 ed 99:8 114:8,16 17:2,4,15,17,18 3 27:13 57:8 2,24,25 67:21 83:14 87:22 8:23 d 112:22 6:7 v 15:23 16:2,6, 7:12 18:10 33:3 t 11:17\n\n60:20 120:13\n\n1 55:25\n\nng 93:12\n\nard 69:7,9,15 2,21\n\nIndex: dis-.. Great\n\n| | foundation 21:17
89:17 139:2 |\n|---|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| | Francis 43:9,11,13,
15,17,21 47:24 48:14
49:13 50:7 54:12
55:3,7,8,15 57:8,10,
22,25 62:5,17,20,25
63:3.4,11,13,17 64:4
65:4,10,24 66:4,13,
16 67:25 74:16 75:11
76:3 80:16,19,22
84:3 85:21,24,25
88:21 94:16 106:10
107:2 119:5,17,24
120:3 121:10 122:7
12.21 123:24 129:23
136:19 137:22
142:14 |\n| | Francis' 47:18 54:5 |\n| | Friday 60:25 61:2 |\n| | front 21:25 42:5
104:17 114:6.15 |\n| | full 22:11 99:9 |\n| | G |\n| C | |\n| | gauge 47:3
general 107:11 |\n| | 142:16 |\n| | give 11:7 16:3,5,13
19:24 23:22,23 24:4,
9 48:3 50:10 55:24
60:24 63:16 76:25
84:6 90:2,11,18
101:2.4 103:8 105:11
112:18 |\n| | giving 18:6 20:18 |\n| | Golden 81:18,19,21
82:5,14,16,20,21,25
83:6,7,10 87:22,25
107:21 117:10
126:19,21,25 141:4,6
142:7,16 |\n| | |\n| | good 6:2 8:8,9 21:16
25:9,12 84:17 |\n| | Governance 21:5
22:10 |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\n| | | | | Index: grounds. . Interpreter/transla |\n|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| grounds 32:7 | 102:9,12 107:6 | highly 6:1 7:1,14,16 | hourly 91:23 | instructed 18:7 |\n| quess 61:8 102:2 | 110:9,17 111:8 113:3 | 8:1 9:1 10:1 11:1 | hours 91.24 | instructing 12:22, |\n| | 114:14 121:24 122:9, | 12:1 13:1 14:1 15:1 | | 23,24 17:24 32:15 |\n| guys 56:5 59:25 | 15 123:3 124:3 | 16:1 17:1 18:1 19:1 | | |\n| 60:10 61:13 | 142:21 | 20:1 21:1 22:1 23:1 | anda | instruction 15:23 |\n| | hearing's 23:20 | 24:1 25:1 26:1 27:1
28:1 29:1 30:1 31:1 | | 16:2,5,18 17:13 |\n| ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤ | | 32:1 33:1 34:1 35:1 | idea 12:7,12 19:3 | 18:11 |\n| | hearings 40:12,17
41:19 42:3 102:4 | 36:1 37:1 38:1 39:1 | 32:12 63:10 80:20 | instructs 9:17 |\n| half 61:12 91:25 92:4 | 106:18 | 40:1 41:1 42:1 43:1 | 85:22 87:13 | intend 59:3 73:8 |\n| | | 44:1 45:1 46:1 47:1 | identification 21:8 | |\n| hand 33:25 61:7
103:24 114:2 | held 6:6 12:9 16:10 | 48:1 49:1 50:1 51:1 | 104:5 | intended 59:15 |\n| | 21:9 39:13 54:10 | 52:1 53:1 54:1 55:1 | identify 75:4 | intention 19:24 20:6, |\n| handed 34:15,18,19 | 80:2 95:21 131:11 | 56:1 57:1 58:1 59:1 | | 11,12 |\n| 40:22 114:3 120:9,18 | helpful 31:17 130:7 | 60:1 61:1 62:1 63:1 | identities 59:18 | |\n| handing 28:24 30:12 | | 64:1 65:1 66:1 67:1 | immediately 55:20 | interest 126:24 |\n| 56:19 111:17 113:12 | Henzy 7:3,8 9:12,17
10:25 11:4,22,25 | 68:169:1 70:1 71:1 | 97:7 | 135:21 |\n| 120:11,17 | 12:14,16,24 13:3,11, | 72:1 73:1 74:1 75:1 | | interested 105:9 |\n| | 15,18,22,24 14:9,12, | 76:1 77:1 78:1 79:1 | impact 69:17 | internal 62:11 |\n| Hang 23:16,18 | 14,18,21,22,24 15:3, | 80:1 81:1 82:1 83:1 | imply 109:24 | |\n| happen 30:2 53:9 | 5,6,7,9,15,17,18,25 | 84:1 85:1 86:1 87:1 | | interpose 9:13 |\n| 78:6,7,8 137:10 | 16:7,12,15,21 17:5,8, | 88:1 89:1 90:1 91:1
92:1 93:1 94:1 95:1 | importantly 71:20 | interpret 37:17 53:12 |\n| happened 31:7 35:2 | 23 18:7,20 19:5,19, | 96:1 97:1 98:1 99:1 | improper 15:13 | 86:3,13,22 88:12,16, |\n| 48:16 51:8,11 52:20 | 21 20:3,6 21:11,15, | 100:1 101:1 102:1 | 58:25 | 17 89:19 98:19 |\n| 53:9 99:5 111:12,22 | 21 22:3,22,24 24:10 | 103:1 104:1 105:1 | include 42:11 45:20 | |\n| | 25:11 32:2,5,8,11,18, | 106:1 107:1 108:1 | | interpretation 35:24
36:3 45:8 72:11 |\n| happening 28:21 | 23 33:8,11,16 44:18, | 109:1 110:1 111:1 | included 45:18 | 132:8 |\n| 45:12.22 51:25 52:3
53:18 | 24 49:7,15,22,25 | 112:1 113:1 114:1 | 119:8,9,23 | |\n| | 55:21,24 56:10,13, | 115:1 116:1 117:1 | including 28:8 | Interpreted 37:16,19 |\n| hard 10:21 35:3 47:2 | 19,25 57:19 58:18
59:4,8,17,20,23 60:5, | 118:1 119:1 120:1 | 124:19 | 41:8 45:25 46:6 53:5 |\n| 49:22 76:24 84:13 | 9 61:8, 19 64:12 66:5, | 121:1 122:1 123:1 | incorrectly 46:15 | 101:13 |\n| Hastings 6:17,21,23 | 13,21 68:3,10,13,22 | 124:1 125:1 126:1 | | interpreter 22:14,19 |\n| | 69:6,9,18 70:4,7,10, | 127:1 128:1 129:1 | Independent 48:3 | 24:3 26:8,11 27:23 |\n| head 8:15 51:3 141:6 | 17 71:4,9,13,17,24 | 130:1 131:1 132:1
133:1 134:1 135:1 | 54:6 | 29:15 35:22 37:15 |\n| headquartered 6:12 | 72:18,24 73:9,22 | 136:1 137:1 138:1 | indicating 113:25 | 39:2,4 40:25 41:2,5 |\n| hear 43:13 102:17 | 74:3,5,12,20 75:7 | 139:1 140:1 141:1 | 131:4 133:16 134:4 | 45:6,23 52:21,25 |\n| 120:6 121:14 124:3, | 78:23 79:3,7 86:18 | 142:1 143:1 | indistinguishable | 64:15 66:24 67:7 |\n| 13,22 | 87:15 89:16 92:8 | | 18:2 49:24 61:14 | 72:9,12 76:7,12,22
77:13,16,23 78:4,10, |\n| | 95:10.15 96:3 97:21 | Hills 11:17 | | 14 81:13,25 82:3 |\n| heard 27:24 28:6, 16 | 104:13 105:7,14 | hired 80:5,6,7 81:3,5, | informal 12:8 16:9 | 83:14 85:17 88:20 |\n| 49:20 51:3,4 86:24 | 106:19 108:16 115:8, | 11 | 21:9 39:12 54:9 | 90:5 91:2,5,13 98:23 |\n| 96:23 97:4 119:7.21 | 12 118:24 120:13
126:9,13 127:17,23 | Ho 6:5,18 66:14 | 79:25 95:20 131:10 | 101:22 102:10,20 |\n| 126:5 135:5,6 | 133:7,25 134:13 | 104:8,12 | information 42:10 | 107:20,23 110:9,12 |\n| hearing 19:25 20:17 | 135:4,6 138:6,12 | | initially 14:13,22 | 111:5 112:9 113:22 |\n| 22:13 23:7,13 24:23 | 139:3,11,13,17 | hold 31:11 33:20 | 17:16 | 115:5,15,19,24 116:9 |\n| 26:7 27:19 29:7 36:5, | 140:10 | 66:23 108:9 110:8 | | 117:24 121:25 126:6 |\n| 6,8,9 42:14,17 47:5 | | Holding 21:3 22:8 | instance 34:6 108:2, | 132:7 133:24 134:12 |\n| 50:13 56:9 60:6,22 | Henzy's 12:4,6 17:2, | Holdings 135:22 | 11 109:20 125:14 | 141:15 142:20 |\n| 73:8,14,18 74:4,10,
19 75:6,18,23 76:2 | 4,15,17,18 18:13
19:4,9,13 27:13 | | instances 109:13 | interpreter's 39:17 |\n| 77:12 83:13 91:5,13 | 67:21 74:9 | home 94:3.4 | | 45:9 53:21 111:16 |\n| 94:22 95:2 96:20,21 | | hoping 29:13 | Instruct 15:10,19
17:10 32:5 66:7 68:4 | |\n| 97:5,8,17 99:3,12 | highest 92:22 | | 95:17 | interpreter/ |\n| 100:2,12,13 101:17 | | hour 61:12 | | translator 72:8 |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | Index: interpreters. .meeting |\n| interpreters 79:15
101:24 102:6
interpreting 27:22,
23 35:22 37:21 38:4
39:4.18 41:2 50:20
53:20 79:15.18.22
85:21 87:8 107:10
140:21
interrupt 30:10
interrupting 116:3
interruptions 30:6
introduce 6:16 68:5
invoice 83:24 84:5
92:14 | knew 60:21 108:3
knowledge 137:2
138:23
Krasner 89:2,3
Kwok 6:5,19 19:10
24:24 25:7,17 26:2
29:10 37:19 45:24
66:14.21.25 74:23
77:9,13,16,23,24
78:10,14,19 79:11,12
80:5,6,22 81:4,9,14,
15,17,23 82:5,15,24
83:5,9 84:8,20 85:13,
17,20,23 86:11,24
87:23 88:5,7,10,20 | legally 132:10
lengthy 116:12
light 56:9
limit 8:23
Limited 135:22
lines 43:25 46:24.25
47:11,22 130:11
131:24,25 132:19
134:19 135:12,13
137:8,10
list 60:18
listen 43:18 55:10
57:12 67:16 75:22 | 36:19 39:6,20 43:2
44:20 45:2 47:4
48:20 49:11,21,23
50:5 54:2,11,23
55:18.23 56:18 57:2.
6,17,20 58:21,22,24
59:6,12 61:2,5,15,20
62:3 63:7,20 64:17
65:2,9,21 66:8,15,18
67:9,20 68:5,12,18
69:2,6,13,21 70:6,9,
12,19 71:6,10,16,20
72:4,23 73:15 74:2,8,
15,22 75:3,9,21 76:6,
11 77:7,14 79:2,5,9
80:3 82:23 84:18
86:10.20 87:20 88:3 | make 7:8 20:8 28:4
29:10 32:20 34:13,
14,17,21 49:16,25
62:14 85:5 98:15
102:22 103:2,20
120:6,23 121:2,6,14,
17 124:4,16 142:25
makes 51:21 141:7
making 29:17,21
30:20 46:12 62:18
111:8 112:3 113:7
116:21,23 120:4
121:11 123:13,18,22,
25 124:18
Manning 61:15 |\n| involved 19:17 83:5
94:23 101:16
involves 13:12
issue 19:18,20 35:25 | 89:6.14.22 90:2
92:12 94:25 95:4
100:6.10 103:8
104:8,12 126:19,24
135:21 137:23
138:15,24 139:8 | Ilstened 48:15,23,24
50:17.24 51:5.7
75:17 93:20 112:16
120:5 121:13 136:16,
20 | 89:12.13.20 90:8
92:11,20,23,24 94:5,
13 95:12,18,23 96:5,
19 98:2,12 99:20
101:6 103:7 104:6,14
105:9,19 106:5,23 | March 36:5 55:4
104:7 112:20
mark 20:25 103:25
104:9
marked 21:6 22:10 |\n| 40:2,25 52:8 53:23
54:13 95:19 100:3,7
108:4 109:4,19,22
110:8 111:16 113:12
117:11,22 118:3,4 | 140:19,23 141:9
142:19,22,23 143:2
Kwok's 19:12 27:18
80:9,11,14,18 81:11,
25 88:12,13 90:5 | listening 48:6 50:15
58:6 119:13 124:11
litigation 96:7
LLP 6:7 | 108:7,23 109:11
110:6 111:13 112:11
114:12 115:2.9.14
118:12 119:3 120:16
121:19 123:12 125:4, | 104:3,16
material 7:13,16
22:14 23:8 25:18
26:3,9,16,20,23
27:20,24 28:6,15,19, |\n| issues 40:24 50:19
118:14
1 | 91:4 95:18,23 99:3,
21,25 103:12,17
141:6,12,14,19,22
142:2 | long 31:25 32:3,9
46:20,22,23 47:3
64:21 65:4,16 98:15
138:17
looked 40:5 112:12 | 7,9,22 126:2,11,14
127:20 128:4.22
129:7 130:5,14
131:13 132:5,18
133:9 134:7,16,24
135:5,7,10,18 136:15 | 20 31:16 33:21 34:2,
7 40:24 41:25 97:18
121:25 122:23 123:3,
14 124:4 125:12,18
133:11 |\n| Jim 60:12,15
job 63:15,1667:5,10,
16 88:7,11,13 89:14
138:16 141:2,10
142:6.11 | -
labeled 6:3
lack 89:16 | 122:8 123:21 125:16
129:23
lot 46:8 85:16 107:8
loud 28:23 31:16 | 137:11.19 138:9.14
139:2,9 140:9,12,15
143:4
ાં તે | matter 6:5 12:268:21
69:8 93:9, 16, 19
142:14
matters 87:6,8,19
95:6 |\n| Judge 14:19 61:15
judge's 59:10 | late 89:6
lawsuit 96:9,12,16
lawyer 17:18 68:16 | 33:22 34:5 40:21
53:24
Luc 6:25 | made 7:19 9:18 29:5
30:5,17 31:6 35:22 | Max 88:25 89:3
meaning 83:3,4 |\n| Juno 11:17
ﺔ ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻘﻠﺔ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟﻤﺘﺤﺪﺓ ﺍﻟ | lay 21:17 101:4
lead 140:22 | Luft 6:17 7:15 8:6,10
11:5,6,24 12:13,21
13:2,6,8,14,16,19,23 | 36:3 41:12 46:18
58:7 62:8 68:8 72:2
97:18 103:16 113:6,
16,21 116:24 119:14 | means 15:4 20:11
123:23
meant 76:15 |\n| kerfuffle 51:25
Kerr 6:14
kind 45:21 49:19,22
52:24 53:7 79:15
87:11 101:3
Kingdom 96:10,12,
17 | leading 139:9 140:9
leaving 97:17
legal 6:11 13:6,12
68:22 70:17 71:4,13
72:19 73:9,22 74:5
87:6,7 129:16,17
132:9,22 133:22
134:9 142:14 | 14:7,20 15:2,8,12,16,
21 16:4,13,16 17:3,7,
11,21 18:3,9 19:2,8,
16,22,23 20:10,25
21:13,16,24 22:5
23:5 24:8,11,18
25:13,23 27:5,10,17
28:13,14 29:2 30:7
32:3,7,9,17,20,24
33:2,10,14 34:3 35:5 | 122:14.18 123:3
125:14,19
mailed 82:10
main 47:21
major 47:20 52:18
majority 31:8,9 | Mechanically 67:15
media 6:3
meet 31:21,22 94:25
141:18,22,23
meeting 22:16 23:9
25:19 26:10,17,18,25
28:8,22 36:11 47:2 |\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702\n\nCONFIDENTIAL\nCONFIDENTIAL\n\n877-702-9580\n\n49:19 95:13 97:2 99:15 104:7.11 105:18 107:8 122:3, 24 129:11 139:20 140:2\n\nmeetings 35:7 85:18 95:4,6\n\nMelissa 43:9 66:13\n\nmember 19:12\n\nmembers 90:4 memory 23:19.25\n\n48:18,22 49:2,18 51:2 96:14\n\nmemory's 106:17\n\nmention 8:15\n\nmentioned 36:20,21 38:11 62:4 78:22 91:17 96:17 112:23\n\nmentions 112.9\n\nMenye 126:5\n\nmet 32:3.9 78:8 86:13 141:24 142:4\n\nmethodology 93:18\n\nmiddle 22:2 109:3 115:3,9 120:12\n\nMiles 19:9\n\nmind 25:21 33:5 39:24\n\nmine 131:8\n\nminor 52:18\n\nminute 113:13\n\nmis- 44:15\n\nmischaracterize 16:14\n\nmisinterpretation 45-9\n\nmissed 112:14\n\nmisstatements 97.18\n\nmistake 45:10 46:5 116:24 125:18\n\nmistakes 52:18 98:7 122:14.18\n\nmistranslated 34:20 note 28:24 29:9 117:17 127:11 54:16,20 56:19 mistranslating 102:22 103:2,21 mistranslation\n\nmistranslations\n\n44:15\n\n97:14 108.9\n\n100:4,8,11\n\nMitchell 89:4\n\nmoment 35:9,10,13,\n\n15,20,21 36:4,12,14\n\n37:2.13 38:2 43:23.\n\n24 44:10,21 45:3,5,\n\n17 46:23 47:23 48:4,\n\n16 49:10 50:18 51:4.\n\n13 52:12,14.16,17\n\nmoments 35:11,18\n\nmoney 82:9 84:7\n\nmonth 42:23 65:11\n\nmorning 6:2 8:8,9\n\nmotion 20:21 21:2\n\n22:7,13 23:7 26:7\n\nmotions 124:14\n\nMove 95:15\n\nmoving 13:21\n\nmuddled 96:15\n\nmultiple 115:4\n\nN\n\n40:2,6 46:5,14 126:4\n\nnames 38:25 39:7\n\nnaturally 101:14\n\nnegative 25:5\n\nNick 6:20 59:25\n\nnonlegal 142:24\n\nnoon 58:20 61:4\n\nneeded 53:4 142:11\n\n124:20\n\n73:20 90:17 121:24\n\n96:15 111:23\n\n52:2 107:8\n\n92:9.12.17\n\n77:5,6\n\nnotes 29:22 30:12.22 31:7,8 33:18 40:22 62:14 98:20,24 99:2, 5,11,22 100:3 113:4, 13 114:2,4 120:18\n\nnoticed 35:23\n\n11,17\n\nNovember 6:8\n\nNowadays 84:17\n\nnumber 28:21 35:2, 25 38:3,7 40:14,18 45:11 53:18 77:3 84:16 85:9\n\nNY 11.17\n\noath 11:11 102:11\n\nO\n\nobject 12:17 44:18 66:5 78:23 86:18\n\nobjected 18:7\n\nobjection 9:13,14,19 12:18 14:14.15 15:7, 14,19 17:5,6,9,23 19:5,19 20:3 21:2 22:7,22,24 32:2 34:13,15,17,18,21 42:6 49:7 50:2 68:3, 22 70:17 71:4,13 72:2,18 73:9,22 74:5, 12,20 75:7 87:15 89:16 95:10,15,16 97:21 106:19 116:8, 12 118:14,18 119:12, 14 120:4,6,13,23 121:3,6,11,15,21 123:3,14,19,22 124:4,15,16,18,22 125:14 127:5,8 128:10 133:7,25 134:13 136:2,5 139:2,9\n\nIndex: meetings .. pause\n\nobjections 20:8 owners 126:19,21 33:25 34:15,18,20 32:21 111:9 112:3 129:13 130:2,20 116:17,21,23 124:2 P obligated 56:8 108:3,12 109:13,21 110:14 111:17 120:9, observations 87:14 p.m. 108:20,21 obstructing 32:24 137:13,15,16,17 notepad 99:17 143:8,11 offer 17:22 23:6 71:3 72:6,16 73:8,17 74:3, pad 99:9 10,16,24 75:5 133:21 pages 47:14,17 134:2,18 136:8 106:7 107:2 116:20 offered 18:5 122:21 123:2,7 124:2,23 125:11,17 offering 23:12 70:15 131:22 71:15 133:4 134:10 paid 63:21,25 64:18 office 80:8,9,12 67:18 81:16 82:4,16, 140:24 141:2,4,16, 21 83:7,8,14,15 91:3, 19,22 142:2,5 19 official 22:15 23:8 paragraph 7:10 26:9,16,24 27:22,25 22:20 130:17 28:10 35:21 113:22 115:24 122:2.24 part 44:12 47:19 129:10,15 133:24 55:5,6 93:21 112:8 134:12 118:6 129:22 once-over 112:19 parts 50:6 58:13 opinion 44:16 71:14 party 67:3 79:14 81:9 131:25 133:5,21 141:14 134:3,11,18 135:13 pass 103:2,21 136:8 passed 29:9 108:3 opinions 69:25 70:3 109:13,21 110:14 71:2,11,22 72:5 73:7, 17 74:4,10,17,24 passing 29:21 30:22 75:5 93:15 94:8 108:11 113:3 opportunity 105:12 past 27:11 76:18,23 79:13 opposed 112:3 113:6 Paul 6:17.20.23 oral 113:12 114:5 pause 11:23 13:25 124:15,16 14:4 16:24 17:20 18:24 19:15 22:4,21 order 7:11 21:3,5 25:20 27:2,7,16 22:8,10 59:24,25 28:17 30:3 34:22 60:13,17 36:15 38:24 42:22 owed 92:12,17 46:21 48:17 52:13 54:22 56:12,17 63:6, owned 126:24 18 64:24 65:6,18 owner 129:16,18 67:13 73:24 74:14 132:9.22 133:22 75:2,20 76:5,10 77:4, 134:9 10 82:18 84:12 86:7 87:17,24 90:7 92:19 owner.' 132:10 96:13 97:20 98:11,16\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\nord\n\n| | | | | Index: pay . recor |\n|---------------------------------------|------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------|\n| 99:13 100:24 103:4 | 17,24 31:6 34:25 | proceeding 95:25 | | rate 64:16 91:23,25 |\n| 105:15,21,24 106:2 | 35:11 41:4,17 45:14, | proceedings 77:23 | Q | 92:4.5 |\n| 108:5 109:9 110:5 | 16 53:10,14,23 105:7 | 78:11 | | re-listening 124:3 |\n| 111:10 112:5 114:24
118:9,21 119:2 | portion 44:10,14 | | question 9:2,5,9,18, | reach 14:12 |\n| 121:18 123:10 125:3. | 46:11,20 50:11,16,21 | produce 56:8,20
57:4 67:17 | 19 10:13 12:19 15:8 | |\n| 8,21,24 127:15,19 | 54:4.13,25 55:9 | | 20:14.16 21:12.19.
21,23 22:2 26:14 | reached 93:14 |\n| 128:21 129:6 130:4, | 57:23 62:21 65:11
75:10 76:3 98:16.17 | produced 55:20 57:5 | 33:13 36:18 37:18 | read 42:6.13.16.18. |\n| 13 132:4,17 134:23 | 104:24 105:5,8,17,20 | 119:17 | 39:3,16 46:18 49:15, | 19 43:5 47:24 48:12 |\n| 135:9,17 136:11,14 | 113:2 122:7 127:11 | producing 59:2 | 17 53:2,3 65:7 68:11, | 50:17.21 51:3.4.6.7. |\n| 139:12.16 | 128:17 129:23 | product 58:2,3 62:5 | 15 70:4,22 71:9,19, | 19 127:3 128:17 |\n| pay 18:13,19,23 | 136:18 | 65:5,17,25 67:18 | 25 72:3 73:13 91:9
96:3 97:14 98:14,15, | reading 48:7 50:15 |\n| 63:17 64:6 81:22 | portions 75:12,14,23 | 93:23,24 94:20 | 16 100:18,23 102:12, | real 137:11 |\n| 82:5,25 83:25 84:3 | 76:2 104:22 106:10, | production 55:21,25 | 21 103:2 112:10 | |\n| paying 12:4,6 18:16 | 13 | 56:3 59:9 | 117:8.12.15.23 | realtime 135:8 |\n| 19:3,10,13 83:20,22 | position 34:14 | professional 53:22 | 118:24 119:15 | reason 9:4 10:4 11:7 |\n| pending 10:13 | potentially 85:4 | 102:11 134:3 | 120:14 127:18.24 | 116:23 124:19 |\n| 21:22,23 | | proper 32:22 132:7 | 129:12,14,16,25
132:9,15,24 133:10, | 127:10 128:16 |\n| people 56:14 80:21 | practice 61:16 | 135:13 | 22 135:21 136:3,9 | recall 24:5 34:12,19 |\n| 86:11,15 108:13 | preparation 94:23 | | 137:4 | 36:21 37:4,12,23,25 |\n| 142:4 | 95:2 136:24 | properly 7:17 132:25
133:3,6,13,23 134:4, | question's 98:18 | 38:13,16 39:23 40:10
47:23 49:4,5 52:11, |\n| percent 23:4 70:6 | prepare 31:18 41:23 | 12 | | 19 54:3 77:15,19 |\n| perfectly 128:18 | 73:2 | protective 7:11 | questioner 98:20 | 95:5,8 96:6,18,25 |\n| | prepared 71:2 72:6, | | questioning 45:11 | 97:6 98:5, 10 99:18 |\n| performing 93:12 | 16 114:7,16 123:24 | provide 59:22 | 46:25 69:17 106:18 | 102:5 106:17 110:21 |\n| Periodically 9:12 | pretty 91:14 | 133:14 | questions 9:13 38:5 | 120:17.18 121:16
122:19 131:9,14,16 |\n| periods 29:20 | | provided 94:15 | 52:22 70:25 72:10, | 132:24 |\n| person 46:14 114:20 | previous 33:6
101:13 | 133:17 137:25 | 14,22,25 97:15 | receive 90:11 |\n| | | providing 56:7 | 101:12.13.15 137:25
138:3,8,14 143:5 | |\n| personally 90:3 | previously 124:20 | public 92:10 | | received 43:10 87:21 |\n| phone 16:21 | primarily 69:10 | pull 121:20 | quick 21:19 112:18
137:12 | receiving 65:13 |\n| physical 128:6 | prior 27:15 42:8 | purported 123:14 | quickly 10:8 | recent 76:21 |\n| pick 37:10.15.21 | 43:25 46:24 50:6
54:13 94:22 96:20 | | | recently 88:2 |\n| picked 52:16 | 97:4 129:14 | purportedly 123:16
130:25 131:2 | quoting 130:12 | recess 24:14 61:23 |\n| picking 38:7 | private 29:15 111:5 | purpose 30:9 59:14 | ર્ | 108:19 137:15 |\n| | 112:9 113:22 115:4, | 62:17 | | recollection 14:8 |\n| place 27:21 141:20 | 15.19 117:24 | Pursuant 7:10 | raise 31:16 34:5 | 27:6 35:6,19 36:23 |\n| plan 75:5 134:18 | privilege 12:18 13:2 | | 45:14 53:10 113:12. | 40:16 41:19 42:2,21 |\n| 136:8 | 14:16 15:7 17:9,24 | pursue 32:18,19 | 13 114:5 116:8 | 47:16 48:4,16 50:11 |\n| planning 23:6 73:17 | 32:2,8,14,21 66:6,9, | put 21:24 22:13 26:8 | 117:11 | 51:5.13 54:7 76:25
97:3 98:4 102:3,8 |\n| 133:21 | 19,21,22 67:2,4 68:3 | 41:8 53:16,17 57:17 | raised 35:16,17 | 107:5,7,11,13 111:7, |\n| plans 24:2 | 69:22 95:16,18,23 | 59:3 68:6 69:6,9,14 | 39:16 40:20 45:17 | 11,21 112:25 122:13, |\n| | privileged 32:4,10 | 71:7,11 121:24
128:25 | 50:19 53:23 113:23 | 14.22 131:19 133:12 |\n| play 136:23 | 68:16 | | 117:23 124:15 | record 7:9 11:14 |\n| pleading 26:7 | problem 46:7 53:21 | putting 71:21 | raising 27:21 35:25 | 12:9 16:10 21:10,14, |\n| Podolski 89:8 | 102:21,25 117:14 | puzzling 113:11 | 111:16 118:14 | 15 24:11,13,17 34:21 |\n| point 28:22 30:4,13, | proceed 8:39:19 | | ranging 77:20 | 39:13 50:17 51:10
54:10 56:18 58:4 |\n| | | | | |\n| | | | | |\n\n877-702-9580\n\nrelationship 18:4 61:6,18,22 62:2 80:2 95:21 103:21 108:15, 66:11 89:11 18,22 112:3 113:20 relevant 64:12 116:18,21 117:23 118:11,16,18,20 relied 69:25 119:8 123:13,20 relief 60:3 124:15 125:14 131:11 137:14.18 rely 70:8 133:12 143-9 remember 23:24 recorded 6:4 45:12 24:7 27:8 30:14,24 46:2 93:23 113:15,23 34:23 35:4,8,9,13,15, 117:23 118:18 16,17 36:7,10,11,13, 119:22 125:19 14,25 37:14,22 38:8, 21 39:5,15,18 40:19, recording 119:7 23 41:6,7,15 42:20 REDIRECT 140:14 43:25 47:7 50:20 51:24 52:3 53:24 redundant 10:2 77:11,17 85:8 86:2,8 reference 29:15 96:16 110:22 122:17 112:2,13,19 118:2,7, remembered 50:18 13 119:12 120:3 121:10 122:8 123:18. remind 51:11 22,25 124:17 126:7 reminded 51:7 132:19 remotely 110:17 referenced 22:19 115:16 130:17 renew 137:20 references 111:5 repeat 8:19 119:15 115-4 repeating 51:18 referred 78:3 81:24 reportedly 129:15 82.2 reporter 6:14 7:7 referring 80:24 8:2,16 10:21 11:3 94:15 107:24 110:12 12:10 16:11 21:7 reflect 56:18 39:14 46:2 95:22 104:4 113:19 114:10 reflected 41:14 44:3 116:14 117:15 reflecting 44:6 131:12 143:13 refreshed 42:251:14 reporting 6:11,15 106:17 122:13 113:17 refused 34:13 59:21 represent 12:14 17:22 18:6 regard 42:2,10 49:12 52:8 54:4 67:25 representation 93:15 94:7 95:24 14-13 97:11,14,15,19 98:7 representative 99:12.22 100:7 137:23 109:25 115:23 116:9 120:4,24 121:3 represented 11:18 124:23 131:19 133:5, 13:4.12 14:16 21 134:11,18 137:8 representing 27:14 registered 91:16 63:4,8 67:22 129:17 132:10 134:9 related 90:17\n\nrepresents 11:25 request 47:18 54:5 55:22,25 56:8 57:3 60:19 65:15 89:19 94:6 137:21 142:25 83:6.23 60:20 requests 56:3 respect 73:20 respond 57:10 18 rest 75:18 results 57:22 retained 67:10 143:12 75:14 75:11 rid 99:7 role 107:21 108:14 95:25 ు safe 120:5 121:13\n\nrequested 82:20 requesting 57:21 reserve 137:24 response 60:23 107:20 129:12 132:8 responsible 18:16, resumed 24:15 61:24 108:20 137:16 reversed 120:10 review 11:2 41:22 reviewed 41.25 47:17 54:5,24 55:5\n\nRights 21:5 22:10\n\n**role** 107:21\n\nroom 28:3 53:6\n\nRudnick 6:7 88:2\n\nrules 56:2,4 69:14\n\n**fo** 120:5 121:1\n\nsandbagged 59:2\n\nscenario 101.4 schedule 56:13 59:4,7,10 60:5,11\n\nsat 142:6\n\nschedule's 56:13\n\nscholarly 93:11,13\n\nsection 42:19 43:7,8, 17,20 49:12\n\nsecurity 128:6\n\nselected 76:3\n\nsend 49:13 67:18 82:8 84:5\n\nsending 50:9 54:13 55-8 83-24\n\nsense 51:21 141:7\n\nsentence 22:11 26:6 121:23 134:11\n\nseparate 49:18\n\nseries 52:18\n\nserve 83:13 85:17\n\nservice 12:4,6\n\nservices 18:14.17 19:4,10,13\n\nserving 77:22\n\nset 60:17\n\nsetting 79:19\n\nshare 57:7\n\nshared 106:10 107:2\n\nshook 8:15\n\nshorthand 8:2 11:3 12:9 16:10 21:7 39:13 95:21 104:4 114:10 131:11 143:13\n\nshowed 108:25\n\nsic 45:21 117:25 side 88:16 128:25\n\nsideline 53:7\n\nsignature 142:10 significant 35:9,10,\n\n#### Index: recorded. . Spring\n\nsimultaneous 79:18\n\nsimultaneously 79:16\n\nsitting 41:20 48:9 73:16 75:4 122:23 125:11,16 131:14,16, 18,23 132:24 133:2, 20 134:9,17 135:11 136:7 137:2\n\nsituation 33:24 107-9\n\nSixty-one 105:22 130:10,18\n\nSixty-two 106:3 117:21\n\nsomething's 9:8\n\nson 126:20,22\n\nspeak 13:24 24:20 31:23.25 57:25 86:24 100:7 111:17\n\nspeaker 98:14\n\nspeaking 18:3 20:8 48:7 98:21 111:5,6,9 112:2 113:7\n\nspeaks 87:9\n\nspecialist 6:11\n\nspecific 38:9 41:18 52:4,11 77:19 98:3 102:9 107:7,13 122:13,14,16,23\n\nspecifically 36:16 37:12 38:9,19 40:15 41:21 51:8 54:3 62:21 74:7 86:2 95:5 107:17 122:17,25 125:18\n\nspecifics 50:20\n\nspeculate 38:16\n\nspoke 13:17 14:9 31.20 87.3\n\nspoken 20:18 23:12 58:13 113:18\n\nSpring 81:18,19,21 82:5,14,16,20,22 83:2,6,7,10 87:22,25 107:21 117:10\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\n11\n\n| | | | | Index: Squareuh-huh |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------|\n| 126:19,21,25 141:4,6 | 30:12 31:7.8 | 45:24 46:8 51:23 | 28:16 29:15 40:5 | translator 27:25 |\n| 142:7,16 | switching 33:18 | 53:18 56:15 119:7 | 41:15 42:13,16,18,19 | 28:10 44:15 101:19 |\n| Square 6:7 | | thought 21:20 30:10 | 43:3,4,5,7,8,17,19,20 | 102:4 103:11.16 |\n| staff 80:13.14.18 | sworn 7:24 101:19, | 34:6 36:4 91:6,7,18 | 44:2,4,6,9,10,13,14
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42:8 48:10,19 49:2 | 133:3,6,13,23 134:4, | type 128:5 |\n| stuck 47:20 | testifying 24:23 25:3 | 51:24 56:23 58:20 | 12 136:10 | |\n| study 93:5 | 68:20 69:3,24 91:10 | 73:16 75:4 83:15 | translating 67:12 | ப |\n| | testimonies 41:3 | 84:9 85:10 91:14,18 | 98:13,15 100:15 | |\n| subject 95:6 141:12, | testimony 11:8 | 92:14,16 122:23 | 103:17 | U.S. 129:12,16 132:8 |\n| 14 | 19:24 20:19 22:14 | 125:12,16 131:14,18, | translation 22:15 | |\n| subsequent 43:25 | 23:6.13.22.23 24:4 | 23 132:24 133:2,20 | 23:8 25:19 26:3,10, | UBS 96:6 |\n| 46:24 | 26:8 44:19 62:21 | 134:9,17 135:11
136:7 137:2 138:24 | 17,24 27:20 28:7 | un-huh 8:17 9:3 |\n| sudden 120:11 | 69:19,20 70:16 72:17 | | 34:7 64:2.7.19.22 | 25:16 29:6,8 30:8,16, |\n| | 75:6,12 90:11,18 | today's 143:6 | 66:4 84:3 93:6 97:19 | 19 31:12 37:9 38:14, |\n| suggestion 112:4 | 98:8 121:25 124:23 | told 26:2.19 37:8 | 102:18 109:4,14,18, | 17 40:11 48:2,13
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Zeisler's 63:24,25 | | |\n| | witnesses 59:19 | | | |\n\n877-702-9580","body_zh":"证物 A\n\n第 1 页\n\n美利坚合众国康涅狄格区破产法院（UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT）\n布里奇波特分院（BRIDGEPORT DIVISION）\n\n第 11 章\n案件编号：22-50073 (JAM)\n事项：\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵），\n债务人。\n\n录像作证记录\nSeven Times Square\nNew York, New York\n2022年11月11日\n上午 9:23\n\n* 极度机密 *\n\n本笔录部分内容包含受保护令约束的信息，仅得依照该保护令使用。\n\n法庭速记员：\nCheryll Kerr, CSR（特许速记记者）\n工作编号：219537\n\n第 2 页 / 第 3 页\n\n美利坚合众国康涅狄格区破产法院\n布里奇波特分院\n事项：\nHO WAN KWOK（郭文贵），\n债务人。\n第 11 章\n案件编号：22-50073 (JAB)\n\n于2022年11月11日（星期五）上午9:23，在位于 Seven Times Square, New York, New York 的 Brown Rudnick, LLP 律师事务所办公室，在特许速记记者兼公证人 Cheryll Kerr（CSR）面前进行的录像作证。\n\n* 极度机密 *\n\n出庭人员：\n债务人及证人律师：\nZEISLER & ZEISLER, P.C.\n代理律师：ERIC HENZY, ESQ.\n10 Middle Street\nBridgeport, CT 06604\n\n第 11 章破产受托人律师：\nPAUL HASTINGS, LLP（普衡律师事务所）\n代理律师：AVRAM LUFT, ESQ.\n代理律师：NICHOLAS BASSETT, ESQ.\n代理律师：LUC DESPINS, ESQ.\n代理律师：WENLONG ZHUGE, ESQ.\n200 Park Avenue\nNew York, NY 10166\n\nPACIFIC ALLIANCE（太盟）律师：\n代理律师：STUART SARNOFF, ESQ.\nSeven Times Square\nNew York, NY 10036\n\n其他出席人员：\nJingyi Wang，中文翻译；\nEdwin Arlequin，摄像师\n\n第 4 页 / 第 5 页\n\n索引\n讯问人 / 页码\nLuft 先生进行的主询问 / 6\nHenzy 先生进行的交叉询问 / 138\nLuft 先生进行的再主询问 / 140\n\n证物\n用于辨认 / 描述 / 页码\n证物 1 / 债务人对第 11 章受托人请求作出认定债务人因未遵守公司治理权命令而构成民事蔑视法庭之裁定的动议所提出的异议 / 21\n证物 2 / 日期为2022年3月21日的第 341 条电话债权人会议笔录 / 104\n证物 3 / 日期为2022年4月6日的第 341 条债权人续会笔录 / 104\n（续见下一页）\n\n索引（续）\n信息提供要求\n描述 / 页码\n提供 Francis 女士随电子笔录发送给证人的音频和电子邮件 / 55\n提供电子邮件 / 57\n提供关于其意见的副本 /\n提供证人所描述的其本人与 Francis 女士及郭先生的任何其他律师代表之间的电子邮件 / 137\n\n第 6 页 / 第 7 页\n- 极度机密 -\n\n摄像师：早上好。现在开始播放标号为第 1 号的音像介质，本案为 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）破产案的录像作证程序。本次作证于2022年11月11日上午约9:23在纽约州纽约市时代广场七号47层的 Brown Rudnick, LLP 进行。我的名字是 Edwin Arlequin。我是来自 TSG Reporting, Inc. 的法律录像专员，公司总部位于 228 East 45th Street, Suite 810, New York, New York 10017。法庭速记员是与 TSG Reporting 合作的 Cheryll Kerr。请各位律师表明身份。\n\nMR. LUFT：Avi Luft，来自 Paul Hastings，代表 Ho Wan Kwok 案中的第 11 章受托人。\n\nMR. BASSETT：Nick Bassett，来自 Paul Hastings，同样代表第 11 章受托人。\n\nMR. ZHUGE：Wenlong Zhuge，来自 Paul Hastings，同样代表第 11 章受托人。\n\nMR. DESPINS：Luc Despins，第 11 章受托人。\n\nMR. HENZY：Eric Henzy，来自 Zeisler & Zeisler。我代表证人出席本次作证。\n\n摄像师：请法庭速记员对证人进行宣誓。\n\nMR. HENZY：首先，我可以作一项记录在案的声明吗？依据本案作出的保护令第 15 段，我将本份作证笔录及所有证物指定为指定材料，且鉴于时间节点，指定为极度机密。\n\nMR. LUFT：抱歉，我们不承认这些材料属于极度机密或已被正当指定。在作证结束后，可以根据实际作证内容再作评估。\n\n被传唤作为证人，经依法宣誓后，接受讯问并作证如下：\n\n第 8 页 / 第 9 页\n- 极度机密 -\n\n速记记者：谢谢。请继续，律师。\n\n由 MR. LUFT 进行的主询问：\n问：早上好，你好吗？\n答：早上好。很好，谢谢。\n问：我的名字是 Avi Luft。我是第 11 章受托人的代理律师。你以前接受过宣誓作证吗？\n答：没有。\n问：好的，所以我首先要提醒你的一点是，你刚才摇了摇头，法庭速记员需要所有回答都是声音作答。\n答：嗯哼。\n问：所以即使我能看见你，如果没有声音回答，她可能会要求你或者我可能会要求你重复作答。这样可以吗？\n答：好的。\n问：那么我们先来过一遍关于宣誓作证如何进行的基本规则好吗？\n答：好的。\n\n问：我要向你提问。\n答：嗯哼。\n问：如果出于任何原因你没有听懂我提的问题，如果问题不清楚，请告诉我。这样可以吗？\n答：好的。\n问：如果你没有告诉我某件事不清楚，我就会假定你听懂了我的问题。这样可以吗？\n答：好的。\n问：在作证过程中，Henzy 先生可能会不时认为他对我的某个问题有异议。他可能会提出异议。这没有问题。好吗？\n答：好的。\n问：除非 Henzy 先生指示你不要回答我的问题，否则尽管他可能提出了异议，你仍可继续回答我的问题。这样可以吗？\n答：好的。\n问：好的。你以前参加过宣誓作证吗？\n答：是的。\n问：所以你有一些了解，如果这有些多余，我很抱歉。\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球服务\n877-702-9580\n\n第 10 页 / 第 11 页\n- 极度机密 -\n\n问：如果这是多余的。\n答：没关系。\n问：好的。如果今天出于某种原因你需要休息，请告诉我，如果时间合适，我们就会休息。\n答：好的。\n问：如果不合适，我会尽量尽快让你休息。\n审阅。\n\n速记记者：好的。\n\nMR. HENZY：谢谢。\n\nMR. LUFT：太好了。\n\n由 MR. LUFT 继续询问：\n问：今天是否有任何原因导致你无法作出真实的证言？\n答：没有。\n\n这样可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n我唯一的要求是，如果我向你提出了一个问题且尚未回答，在我们休会之前你需要先回答该问题。\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：太好了。我也会尽量不在你说话时打断或同时说话，我也希望你同样如此，因为这会让法庭速记员非常难办。这样可以吗？\n\n答：可以。\n\n问：好的。\n\nMR. HENZY（埃里克·亨齐律师）：最后一点是我们确实希望……\n\n太棒了。而且你明白你是在宣誓状态下作证吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：能否请你为庭审记录陈述你的姓名？\n\n答：[姓名]。\n\n问：你的地址呢？\n\n答：[地址]。\n\n问：你今天有律师代理吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：那是谁？\n\n答：Mr. Eric Henzy（埃里克·亨齐先生）。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n由 MR. LUFT（卢夫特律师）发问：\n\n好的。你知道亨齐先生在此案中是否还代表其他人吗？\n\n第 12 页 第 13 页\n\n- 高度机密 - 高度机密\n\n答：我不太确定。\n\n问：你今天有为亨齐先生的服务付费吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：是谁在为亨齐先生的服务付费？\n\n答：我完全不知道。\n\n（随即，与速记员进行了不记录在案的非正式讨论。）\n\n证人：我说过我确实不知道。\n\n由卢夫特律师发问：\n\n亨齐先生是怎么成为你的代理律师的？\n\n答：我当时……\n\n亨齐律师：实际上，我要提出异议。那……\n\n异议，基于保密特权，所以你不需要回答这个问题。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n卢夫特律师：不好意思。\n\n所以你是在指示……你是在指示证人不要回答吗？\n\n卢夫特律师：存在什么特权？\n\n亨齐律师：这……如何成为……由我代理是基于我与[他人]的谈话。所以……\n\n卢夫特律师：但那些谈话并不是法律建议，对吧？\n\n由卢夫特律师发问：\n\n我只想知道你是怎么做出决定的——\n\n亨齐律师：委托人决定是否接受代理涉及法律建议。\n\n卢夫特律师：好的。\n\n亨齐律师：好的。\n\n由卢夫特律师发问：\n\n你第一次和亨齐先生交谈是什么时候？\n\n卢夫特律师：我不……顺便说一下，我说“好的”并不代表我同意你的看法。我只是继续问下去。\n\n亨齐律师：好的。\n\n由卢夫特律师发问：\n\n亨齐先生（MR. HENZY）：我指示不予回答。\n\n问：你第一次和亨齐先生说话是什么时候？（暂停。）\n\n第14页\n高度机密\n\n证人：我不确定具体日期。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：你知道的，我其实无法确定。\n\n拉夫特先生（BY MR. LUFT）：\n问：就你最清楚的记忆而言，你第一次和亨齐先生说话是什么时候？\n答：我无法确定是在本周还是上周。\n\n问：你最初是否联系了亨齐先生以寻求代理？\n\n亨齐先生：反对。同样的反对理由。律师-委托人保密特权（Attorney-client privilege）。如何变成被代理的？\n\n证人：没有。\n\n亨齐先生：你可以——你可以向法官主张。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：我只是问：最初是你打电话给亨齐先生，还是亨齐先生打电话给你的？\n答：没有——\n\n亨齐先生：你可以回答。\n\n证人：没有通电话。\n\n第15页\n高度机密\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你最初是如何联系亨齐先生的？通过什么方式？\n答：我没有联系亨齐先生。\n\n问：好的。是亨齐先生联系的你吗？\n\n亨齐先生：基于特权提出反对。\n\n拉夫特先生：这是一个只需回答“是”或“否”的问题。\n\n亨齐先生：你可以争辩，阿维（Avi）。我明白，但我会指示证人不予回答。\n\n拉夫特先生：但我不想进行一场出现——这是不当反对的宣誓录供（deposition）。\n\n亨齐先生：好的。没关系。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：是亨齐先生联系的你吗？\n\n亨齐先生：好的。反对。我将指示你不要回答。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你要遵从你律师的指示吗？\n答：我认为我应该遵从。\n\n亨齐先生：你——你是要要求她不遵从她律师的指示吗？你要给她提建议吗？\n\n第16页\n高度机密\n\n拉夫特先生：不，埃里克（Eric）。程序是这样的：如果你给出指示，我就必须询问证人是否会遵从该指示。\n\n亨齐先生：而且——说——并且回答了——\n\n（随后，与速记员进行了非正式的庭外沟通记录。）\n\n亨齐先生：好的。\n\n拉夫特先生：我没有给任何建议。请不要曲解我说的话。\n\n亨齐先生：好的。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n所以我再问你一次：你要遵从你律师不予回答的指示吗？\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的。亨齐先生有通过电话联系你吗？\n答：没有。\n\n问：他有通过电子邮件联系你吗？\n（暂停。）\n证人：我是被亨齐先生的律所联系的。\n\n第17页\n高度机密\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：亨齐先生律所的哪位联系了你？\n\n亨齐先生：反对。我——同样的反对理由。\n\n拉夫特先生：我只是问一个名字。\n\n亨齐先生：明白。明白。反对，保密特权。我将指示不予回答。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你要遵从你律师的指示吗？\n答：是的。\n\n问：最初联系你的是亨齐先生律所的人，还是其他人？\n答：亨齐先生的律所。\n\n问：是亨齐先生律所的一位律师吗？\n答：我想是的。我不确定。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：他们主动提出要代理你吗？\n\n亨齐先生：反对，律师-委托人保密特权。我指示你不要回答。\n\n第18页\n高度机密\n\n（无法辨清的互相争执。）\n\n拉夫特先生：我说的是在你与该证人建立任何委托关系之前的事。我只是问你是否接触了她并主动提出代理。这不是给建议。\n\n亨齐先生：我已经提出反对并指示不予回答。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你要遵从你律师的指示吗？\n答：是的。\n\n问：亨齐先生的律所有告诉你谁将支付他的服务费用吗？\n答：没有。\n\n问：你知道你今天是否需要承担他的服务费用吗？\n答：我不知道我是否负有责任。我不会付款。\n\n问：你告诉亨齐先生了吗？\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的。\n答：我认为我不应该付钱。（暂停。）\n\n第19页\n高度机密\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你知道今天是谁在为亨齐先生的服务买单吗？\n\n亨齐先生：反对，已问且已答。\n\n证人：不知道。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你知道亨齐先生的委托人Miles Kwok（郭文贵）今天是否在为他的服务买单吗？\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你知道郭先生的家庭成员今天是否在为亨齐先生的服务买单吗？\n答：我不知道。（暂停。）\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你最初是如何卷入这件事的？\n\n亨齐先生：反对。\n\n证人：什么事？\n\n亨齐先生：语意模糊、含混不清。\n\n拉夫特先生：没关系。\n\n拉夫特先生：\n问：你是否打算在下周的藐视法庭听证会上作证？\n\n第20页\n高度机密\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n亨齐先生：反对。反对。语意模糊、含混不清，但是——\n\n证人：我不知道。\n\n亨齐先生：这是你的意图吗？\n\n第21页\n高度机密\n\n债务人对第11章破产受托人（Chapter 11 Trustee）关于要求作出因未遵守公司治理权裁定而判定债务人构成民事藐视法庭裁定之动议的反对书副本。\n\n我不是——我不是——我不——我不是想提出口头异议，Avi。我没有，但我认为这语意含糊。\n\nLUFT（勒夫特）律师：\n你知道“意图”这个词是什么意思吗？\n\n我知道“意图”这个词。\n\n好的。\n\n但我可以回答你的问题——\n\n请。\n\n——针对你刚才问的问题。我不知道有听证会。\n\n好的。有没有人跟你谈过在法庭上作证的事？\n\n答：关于什么？\n\n问：关于我们今天在此处理的藐视法庭动议。\n\n没有。\n\n没有？好的。\nLUFT 律师：我要将这件标为证物 1\n\n（随之，速记员将一份文件标为识别证物 1。）\n\n（进行了简短的记录外非正式讨论。）\n\nHENZY（亨齐）先生：等一下，Avi。我认为现在没有任何提问。\n\nLUFT 先生：你想进入记录外发言吗？\n\nHENZY 先生：我想进入记录外发言。\n\nLUFT 先生：我没问题。\n就让我先把这个事实基础铺垫好，我们就可以去。我们可以休会。我只是想提个简短的问题，把我刚才的思路讲完。\n\nHENZY 先生：好的。目前没有待决的问题，而且我想和我的当事人谈谈。现在没有待决的问题。\n\nLUFT 先生：好吧，有的。我把一份证物放到了……面前，我正准备提问\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n877-702-9580\n\n877-702-9580\n\n第 22 页\n高度机密\n\n问题。我正在问一个问题。\n\nHENZY 先生：请继续。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n好的。好的，请\n\n翻到标为证物 1（Exhibit 1）的《债务人对第 11 章受托人请求下达因未遵守公司治理权命令而裁定债务人构成民事藐视法庭之命令的动议的异议》（Debtor's Objection to Motion of Chapter 11 Trustee for Entry of Order Holding Debtor in Civil Contempt for Failure to Comply with Corporate Governance Rights Order）第 11 页。\n\n你是否看到第 11 页顶部的第一个完整句子写道：\n\n“在关于该动议的任何听证会上，债务人将安排一名译员就 341 会议官方翻译中的诸多重大缺陷出庭作证”？\n\n你看到了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：你就是本段中提到的那名译员吗？\n\n（暂停。）\n\nHENZY 先生：反对。\n\n证人：我——\n\nHENZY 先生：嗯，反对。\n\n模糊且有歧义，但如果你能回答，你可以回答。\n\n第 23 页\n高度机密\n\n证人：可能是我。我不是百分之百确定。\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n好的。你是否计划就该藐视法庭动议的听证会上关于 341 会议官方翻译中的“诸多重大缺陷”出庭作证？\n\n答：据我所知，我今天来这里只是接受采录证言（deposed）。\n\n问：没有人跟你谈过在听证会上提供任何其他证言的事吗？\n\n答：没有，我想没有。\n\n问：好的。你知道——\n\n等——\n\n——什么——\n\n等一下。我想没有，但也可能是我的记性出了问题。\n\n问：嗯，听证会是在星期二。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：有人要求你出庭作证——周二在康涅狄格州出庭作证吗？\n\n答：我记不清了。我想没有，但——你知道的。正如我所说，可能是我的记性出了问题。\n\n第 24 页\n高度机密\n\n问：你周二有其他安排吗？\n\n答：我要去担任译员。我不知道是否会被要求出庭作证。\n\n问：你不记得是否有人要求你那么做了？\n\n答：我记不太清楚了。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。要不我们现在——现在给你休息一下？\n\nHENZY 先生：好的。\n\nLUFT 先生：我们可以暂停记录。\n\n录像师：现在时间是上午 9:39。\n\n我们暂停记录。\n\n（于上午 9:40 休庭）\n\n（于上午 9:45 恢复）\n\n录像师：现在时间是上午 9:45。\n\n我们恢复记录。\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n据我了解，你刚才有机会与你的律师进行了沟通。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你的理解是你周二不会代表 Kwok 先生（郭先生）在听证会上出庭作证吗？\n\n答：不，那不是我的理解。\n\n第 25 页\n高度机密\n\n问：好的。\n\n答：那是——我不是指不出庭作证。抱歉。我不是——我不是故意要给一个否定的回答。抱歉。\n\n问：我只是在问你周二是否会代表郭先生出庭作证。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：很好。很好。现在我们的理解一致了。\n\nHENZY 先生：明白——明白了——明白了。我刚才没听明白，但现在很好。我们没问题了。\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n我要请你再次看回证物 1，还是同一页，第 11 页。\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：你是什么时候第一次告诉郭先生的律师，341 会议的翻译中存在诸多重大缺陷的？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：你介意我请你为我澄清一件事吗？\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n当然可以。\n\n答：这是在问——你是在问我什么时候\n\n877-702-9580\n第 26 页 第 27 页\n1 高度机密 1 高度机密\n2 我当时——当我第一次告诉 Kwok 先生（郭文贵）关于 2 （停顿。）\n3 翻译材料中的缺陷时—— 3 证人：我无法准确说出\n4 抱歉，让我重新说一次。 4 时间或日期。\n5 好的。 5 LUFT 先生问：\n6 好的，那么债务人答辩状第 11 页的第一句话 6 你的最佳回忆是什么？\n7 是“在动议的任何听证会上， 7 （停顿。）\n8 债务人将让一名口译员出庭作证，以证明 8 证人：我确实记不得了。\n9 341 会议的官方翻译中存在诸多实质性缺陷。” 9 我很抱歉。\n10 我的理解是，你就是那名口译员。 10 LUFT 先生问：\n11 你是这样理解的吗？ 11 是在过去一周之内吗？\n12 答： 12 第一次的话，大概不是。\n13 是的。 13 是在 Henzy 先生律所的人\n14 好的。我的问题是： 14 就代理你的事宜与你联系之前吗？\n15 你是什么时候第一次告诉债务人律师， 15 在那之前。\n16 341 会议的官方翻译中 16 （停顿。）\n17 存在诸多实质性缺陷的？ 17 LUFT 先生问：\n18 在那次 341 会议上。 18 你是如何让 Kwok 先生在当时的——\n19 好的。你当时告诉了债务人律师 19 在 341 听证会当时的律师知道翻译中存在\n20 存在诸多实质性缺陷？ 20 诸多实质性缺陷的？\n21 答： 21 首先，在官方口译员\n22 是的。 22 进行口译的时候，我就对口译\n23 好的。你是什么时候第一次告诉债务人 23 提出了异议。\n24 现任律师，341 会议的官方翻译中存在 24 好的。所以当你听到实质性\n25 诸多实质性缺陷的？ 25 缺陷时，你就让官方翻译知道了？\n\n第 28 页 第 29 页\n1 高度机密 1 高度机密\n2 答：在场的每个人——你知道的，就是房间里的每个人 2 LUFT 先生问：\n3 都会知道，是的。 3 问：好的。\n4 好的。我把问题问得更宽泛一些。 4 答：对。\n5 答：是的。 5 问：所以你要么是公开发言\n6 问：当你在 341 会议的翻译中听到实质性缺陷时， 6 答：嗯-哼。\n7 你让 341 会议现场的每个人—— 7 问：——在听证会上——\n8 都知道了，包括—— 8 答：嗯-哼。\n9 答：是的。 9 问：——或者给当时的 Kwok 先生的律师\n10 问：——官方翻译？ 10 传递纸条，让他发表意见？\n11 答：是的。 11 答：是的。\n12 问：好的。还有其他方式吗—— 12 问：好的。\n13 LUFT 先生：我撤回那句话。 13 答：——希望他会发表意见。\n14 LUFT 先生问： 14 问：在笔录中我能看到提到你的\n15 问：笔录中是否存在你听到了但什么都没说的 15 “私人翻译”的那些时候——\n16 实质性缺陷？ 16 答：对。\n17 （停顿。） 17 问：——那些就是你公开发言的\n18 对我来说，“实质性”的定义——可能与 18 时候吗？\n19 你认为的实质性不同，但对我而言 19 答：对。\n20 在那次会议上发生了好几件事，在某个时刻， 20 问：好的。那么我看不到你\n21 我从大声说出——我对翻译的异议， 21 公开发言的时段，有可能你是在递\n22 转变成了向律师递纸条说明我的 22 纸条——\n23 异议。 23 答：对。\n24 24 问：——递给 Baldiga 先生？\n25 25 答：对。\n\n问：那么这种转变是什么时候发生的？\n答：是的。\n问：好的，所以并不是——并不是你来回反复？你只是在某一时刻做出了决定，然后一旦发生这种情况，你就转为递纸条了？\n证人：我想在某一时刻，有人提出意见说打断太频繁了——\nLUFT先生（Luft先生）问：\n问：嗯。\n答：——因为我在法庭上的目的是核对，而不是扰乱或打断，所以我想也许我应该对我的异议更加谨慎一些，所以我转为递纸条。\n至于具体是什么举动，我不记得了。\n答：大多数时候是这样。但当我真的无法按捺住——\n问：嗯。\n答：——有些话我不得不说、也许是非常关键的内容时，我就会——就像我——就像这里所描述的，也许是实质性的内容，那我大概就会直接大声提出来。\n问：好的。为了明确起见——\n答：嗯。\n问：——曾有那么一个时刻，你决定转为——\n答：是的。\n问：——转为递纸条？\n答：是的。\n问：好的。这很有帮助。好的。你做了什么来准备这次采证宣誓陈述（deposition）？\n答：我和我的律师谈过。\n问：你什么时候与你的律师见面的？\n答：我们没有见面。\n问：你什么时候与你的律师谈话的？\n答：昨天。\n问：你和他谈了多久？\n\nHENZY先生（Henzy先生）：反对，属于保密特权（privilege）。\nLUFT先生：你们谈了多久并不属于特权范围。\nHENZY先生：我指示你不要回答。\nLUFT先生：基于什么理由？\nHENZY先生：律师-委托人保密特权（attorney-client privilege）。\nLUFT先生：你们谈了多久属于特权？\nHENZY先生：完全有可能，是的，绝对是。是的。什么——我完全不知道你为什么想知道这个。但我主张该特权，Avi，并且我指示证人不要回答，你可以——\nLUFT先生：好的。\nHENZY先生：你可以采取任何你认为需要采取的行动。\nLUFT先生：好的。我在此声明，我认为这些关于特权的异议，尤其是这一个，完全是[不当的]——\nHENZY先生：好的。\nLUFT先生：——并且纯粹是在阻碍宣誓陈述。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n问：你是否打算听从你律师的建议不予回答？\n答：是的。律师，你介意我对我之前的回答再补充一点吗？\n问：当然可以。\nHENZY先生：做——\n证人：抱歉。\nLUFT先生：没关系。\nHENZY先生：哪一个回答？\n证人：我认为不是那个回答。我想是关于你之前问的那个问题。\nLUFT先生：我同意回答任何想要回答的内容。\nHENZY先生：可以。\n证人：当我说——你问我从递纸条转为口头提出异议的事，我说当我真的——遇到我无法按捺住的情况，如果是实质性的内容，我大概会大声说出来。但这并不意味着我不会有时也发现某种情况适合我向Baldiga先生（Baldiga先生）递纸条，而那可能同样是实质性的——\n当时同时发生了好几件事，我无法确切记得。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n问：好的。曾几何时，是否存在你认为翻译存在实质性缺陷，但你没有告诉Baldiga先生或没有说出来的情况？\n答：我认为没有，但是——那天有些混乱，有时甚至是一团糟，所以我不能确定，但我认为没有。\n问：你是否记得曾有你要求Baldiga先生提出异议而他拒绝的情况？\n答：要求任何人提出异议并不是我的职责所在。我把纸条递给他。他是律师。他可以决定何时何地——何时以及——何时提出该异议，或者他是否要提出异议。我把纸条递给他——你懂的。\n问：你是否记得任何你递给Baldiga先生纸条告知有地方翻译错误，但他没有在记录中就此提出异议的情况？\n（暂停。）\n证人：我不太确切记得了，正如我所说，那天——在某一时刻，有点混乱，所以——\n\nLUFT先生问：\n问：你对341会议（341 meetings）的记忆有多清晰？\n答：不是——我不记得所有事情，但我记得一些重要时刻。\n问：那个重要时刻是什么？\n答：重要时刻会是某个时间点——就像我说的，曾经有——有一段混乱的时刻。我记得那个，但我不记得说的每一句话。我记得有这样一个时刻，我也记得我提出的某些异议。我不记得我提出的每一个异议，但我记得一些——一些这样的时刻。\n问：你能尽你最大的回忆告诉我你所描述的那个混乱时刻吗？\n答：那个混乱时刻就是官方口译员在翻译中出了错，而且非常明显，以至于连Claiborne女士（Claiborne女士）都注意到了，而且——但是在翻译以及Claiborne女士提出该问题期间，中间说了好些话，而且——而且仍然进行了一些翻译，所以——你懂的，我认为那就是那个混乱时刻。\n\n问：那是在3月21日的听证会上，还是4月6日的341听证会上？\n答：我不记得日期了。\n问：好的。是在第一次听证会还是第二次听证会上？\n答：我其实也不记得是哪一次了，但我只记得有一次会议，并且发生了某些那样的时刻。\n问：关于你记得的这个混乱时刻当时说了什么，你还记得别的吗？\n（暂停。）\n证人：你问的具体字句——抱歉。你能把那个问题再问一遍吗？\n\nLUFT先生问：\n问：当然。你提到过那一个——我问你你能回忆起什么，你提到了其中一件事就是——你对所有事情并没有清晰的回忆——\n答：是的，是的。\n问：——但你记得的事情之一是一个混乱时刻？\n答：是的。\n问：好的。你不记得是在哪一天——\n答：对。\n问：——所以我问的是除了——我相信你告诉我存在某种错误——\n答：嗯。\n问：——是Claiborne女士能够察觉到的？\n答：是的。\n问：关于你描述的那个时刻，你还具体记得别的什么吗？\n答：是的。我记得Claiborne女士之所以能够察觉，是因为——口译员在英语中使用的名称，所以他把名称翻译错了，所以他翻译——问题是用英语就一个公司名称进行提问的，并用中文向Kwok先生（郭文贵）翻译回去，但却使用了不同的英文名称。所以这就是为什么Claiborne女士能够察觉到翻译出错了，我记得那个——你懂的。\n问：你还记得别的什么吗？\n答：你说什么？\n问：关于那个混乱时刻，你还记得别的什么吗？\n\n答：是的。就像我说的，在翻译过程中有许多来回交涉，而且Baldiga先生在提问，我不确定我是否说了什么。我大概没有说，因为我看到Claiborne女士察觉到了，但中间发生了好些事情。我只是不记得具体——具体的字句了。\n问：非常好。我应该——我本该在宣誓陈述开始时就提到这一点。如果我问你回忆起什么——\n答：嗯。\n问：——我只是希望你告诉我你实际回忆起的内容。我不是在要求你推测——\n答：嗯。\n问：——关于你认为会是什么，除非我要求你推测或者我特别说明。\n答：好的。\n问：好的。你还记得那家英国公司（或称：用英文提及的公司）的名字吗？或者——抱歉——用英文说出的那家公司的名字吗？\n（暂停。）\n证人：当时使用了两个名字。就像我说的，口译员——提问时使用了一个名字，而口译员在翻译时用了另一个名字。现在，我记不清哪个是哪个了。\n\nLUFT先生问：\n问：好的。你能直接告诉我当时使用的那两个名字吗？\n答：好的。我想一个是Ace Decade（Ace Decade），然后另一个……我想是Dawn State（Dawn State）。我不能确定。\n（随即，与速记速录员进行了不记录在案的非正式讨论。）\n证人：而且我不记得提问时提出的是哪个名字，口译员是否翻译成了另一个名字。我记不得——\n问：好的。\n答：——哪个是哪个了。\n问：但你记得对于这个在你的脑海中格外突出的争议——\n答：是的。\n问：——存在争议的名字是Ace Decade和Dawn State？\n答：我想是的。\n问：所以如果我查看庭审记录笔录（transcript），我应该会看到一份关于使用Ace Decade和Dawn State这两个名字引发争议的笔录记录？\n答：我想是的。\n问：好的。你说你——你回忆起的其他事情——\n答：嗯。\n问：——从341听证会中回忆起的，是一些“争议”，我相信这是你用的词？\n答：是的，有好几个争议。\n问：好的。你能具体告诉我，在341听证会中，你实际记得哪些争议吗？\n答：有好几个。我无法记住所有的争议。正如我所说，有些争议是我大声提出来的，有些争议是我写下来并递纸条给——给律师的。但我记得一件事，那是因为我通常对——这可能与本案并无实质关联，但作为一名口译员，我对于其他口译员忽视证人作证的翻译礼仪表示异议。所以在某一时刻，我在法庭上对口译员说了些话。\n问：你记得你对他说了什么吗？\n答：是的。我无法确切记得他是怎么翻译的，但他加进了一个词。他假设那个词是存在的，但实际上并不存在。所以我对他说证人的话里并没有这个词——陈述——证人所作的陈述里没有。是你假设它存在的。所以我说了诸如此类的话——我不知道这是否反映在笔录中。事实上，我记不清我当时是用英文还是中文说的，但我在某一时刻确实说了类似的话。\n问：好的。坐在今天的这里，对于341听证会，你还有其他实际回忆得起来的具体争议吗？\n答：没有特别的了。\n问：好的。你为了准备这次宣誓陈述审阅过任何文件吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你审阅过任何已经……\n\n877-702-9580\n\n第 42 页\n高度机密\n\n问：……唤起了你关于 341 听证会的回忆？\n\n答：没有。我没有那些。\n\n问：我面前有证据 1，即债务人的异议。你曾经读过那份文件——\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：——在今天之前吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：关于该文件中要包含的信息，他们是否咨询过你？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是否曾经读过 341 听证会的笔录？\n\n答：读过。\n\n问：你何时读过 341 听证会的笔录？\n\n答：我没有读整份笔录。我读了笔录的一部分，但我不记得是什么时候了。\n\n问：依你最好的回忆是什么时候？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：至少一个月前，我想。\n\n第 43 页\n高度机密\n\nLUFT 先生（律夫特先生）主问：\n\n问：你是怎么拿到笔录副本的？\n\n答：我并没有笔录的副本。\n\n问：如果你没有副本，你是怎么读到笔录的？\n\n答：有人通过电子邮件发给了我笔录的一部分。\n\n问：是谁通过电子邮件发给你笔录的一部分的？\n\n答：……的律师——Melissa Francis（梅丽莎·弗朗西斯）。\n\n问：那是你第一次收到来自 Francis 女士（弗朗西斯女士）的联络吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：你多久收到一次 Francis 女士的消息？\n\n答：不经常。\n\n问：那么请谈谈来自 Francis 女士的这封电子邮件。内容是什么——\n\n答：Francis 女士发给了我笔录的一部分，并给我发了一段音频，让我听音频，然后核对笔录。\n\n问：Francis 女士发给你的笔录部分和音频里有什么内容？\n\n答：那是……那是——\n\n答：音频记录了那个时刻——我刚刚向你描述的那个混乱的时刻，前面还有几行，后面还有几行，我不太记得了，\n\n第 44 页\n高度机密\n\n答：而笔录也记录了那个——那个时刻，但并没有反映出音频中体现的全部内容。\n\n问：抱歉。你能澄清一下吗？笔录是……\n\n答：笔录反映了音频中的一些口语内容，但不是全部。这就是我所说的。\n\n问：好的。你说笔录是——笔录涉及混乱时刻的部分？是这样吗？\n\n答：是的，音频和笔录相对应的部分。我——是的。\n\n问：所以这是笔录和音频中，在你看来翻译人员正在翻……翻译错误某事，而你正在告诉他他做错了的部分？\n\nHENZY 先生（亨齐先生）：我提出异议。我认为那不是证言的内容。\n\nLUFT 先生：好吧，那是我对那个混乱时刻是什么的理解。\n\n证人：不是。\n\nHENZY 先生：抱歉。我想我们这里有点困惑了。\n\n第 45 页\n高度机密\n\nLUFT 先生主问：\n\n问：好的。这是你向我描述的同一个混乱时刻吗？\n\n答：是的，但不是我告诉译员他翻译错了的时刻。其实是——实际上，Claiborne 女士（克莱伯恩女士）发现了问题所在，正如我所说，在翻译之间——\n\n答：在译员的误译与 Claiborne 女士跟进发现该错误之间，发生了多次来回的问答对话，这些对话没有记录在笔录中，这就是我所说的。\n\n答：在那个时候，实际上，我无法提出我的异议，因为当时进行了那么多次来回交涉，而且在那个时候，Claiborne 女士也在跟进，所以那并不是我提出异议的时刻。\n\n问：你能为我描述一下这份笔录中包含了什么吗？\n\n答：笔录中包含的内容非常简略，有点像——因为——因为音频中发生的情况是，译员已经对……已经用中文对 Kwok 先生（郭先生）说了话，而 Kwok 先生也用中文回答了，并且——但这些没有被翻译成英文，所以法庭书记官不可能记录下来，而在这些对话之间——\n\n第 46 页\n高度机密\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球 877-702-958\n\n答：而且 Claiborne 女士发现——Claiborne 女士意识到出了错，因为名字被翻译错了，而且——而且她已经在说了——她在处理那个问题，所以当时有很多没有被笔录记录下来的旁白对话，所以这就是全部——这就是我要说的全部。\n\n问：所以你看到的那部分笔录有 Claiborne 女士发现并发表评论的内容——\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：——即那个人错误地使用了 Ace Decade（爱斯达克）和 Dawn State（道斯达）的名字？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的，所以——\n\n答：那导致整个问题完全错了。\n\n问：好的。你能告诉我当时还说了什么，以及这部分笔录有多长吗？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：没有那么长。我认为那个混乱的时刻没有那么长，但是在那次会议上，由那个混乱时刻引发了许多前面的问话和后面的问话。我很难准确估计那具体有多长。\n\n第 47 页\n高度机密\n\nLUFT 先生主问：\n\n问：好的。这是 341 听证会的哪一天？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：大约——我只是问笔录。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：她发给你的是大约五行吗？她发给你的是一页吗？你最好的估计是什么？\n\n答：我想有两页，我想。\n\n问：那么上面有……上面有什么——\n\n问：依你最好的回忆，你能描述一下应 Francis 女士的要求，你审阅的那两页上有什么内容吗？\n\n答：我不仅仅是在做那一部分。那一部分对我来说很显眼，那是主要的事情。正如我所说，那是主要的混乱，之前和之后都有由此混乱时刻引发的行数，至于那些内容，我——我想不起来了。\n\n问：除了读过 Francis 女士发给你的内容之外——\n\n第 48 页\n高度机密\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——你能给我提供你对那一时刻最好的独立回忆吗？\n\n答：除了我刚才说的之外？\n\n问：除了你从听音频和与……以及读笔录中看到的内容之外，你对……你当时是……首先，让我问你：今天坐在这里——\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：——除了你所读到的——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——Francis 女士发给你的内容以及你听过的音频之外，能否请你告诉我你对那个时刻发生的事情最好的回忆？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：但是——你知道，我今天的记忆是得到了那段音频的帮助。\n\nLUFT 先生主问：\n\n问：好的，所以你……\n\n问：你现在对它有了清晰的记忆，是因为音频，或者你的……你听了音频？\n\n答：是的。我听了音频——你知道，是在它发给我的时候。\n\n第 49 页\n高度机密\n\n答：所以我今天所拥有的一切记忆都得到了那段……得到了那段音频的帮助，并且与我当时回忆起来的内容相吻合。\n\n问：好的，所以我只需要知道除了从那段音频之外，你对那个时候还记得什么。\n\nHENZY 先生：我——只是反对，问题不明确、模棱两可，但你可以回答。\n\n证人：对。你的意思只是那个时刻还是那天？\n\nLUFT 先生主问：\n\n问：仅就 Francis 女士选择发给你的笔录部分而言。\n\n答：好的。\n\nHENZY 先生：我能问个问题吗？我不是——因为我想确认一下——我不想代为回答你的问题。你是在要求把对会议的记忆区分开来，有点像几乎要屏蔽掉在音频上听到的内容——\n\nLUFT 先生：这个嘛——\n\nHENZY 先生：——这有点困难？\n\nLUFT 先生：好吧，我认为这——\n\n（无法辨清的多人同时说话。）\n\nHENZY 先生：我要提出一项……\n\n877-702-9580\n\n第50页\n高度保密\n\n反对，只是为了——你知道的。\n\n含糊、不明确。我只是想弄清楚你到底要求她做什么。\n\n由 Luft 先生（MR. LUFT）发问：\n问：我们为什么不分步来？在 Francis 女士（Ms. Francis）——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——把誊本和录音发给你之前，你对——你能否告诉我——你对那一部分的最佳回忆是什么——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——在她发给你之前，对她发给你的那部分听证会的回忆？\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——在听录音和阅读该部分誊本之前？\n\n答：在我阅读记录和听录音之前，我只记得当时场面一片混乱，并且我提出了争议，还有——你知道的，翻译方面的问题，但我不记得具体细节了。\n\n问：在你阅读了该部分誊本——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——并听了录音之后——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n第51页\n高度保密\n\n问：——除了你刚才读到和听到的内容之外，你脑海中对那个时刻有了清晰的记忆，还是说仅仅是因为你读过并听过了，你现在的回忆是基于再次听过和读过？\n\n答：在我读过并听过之后，它提醒我想起了发生了什么，更具体地说，是想起在话语交流中发生了什么。\n\n问：所以并不完全是基于那份记录。它确实提醒你想起了实际发生的事情，对吗。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：我现在想请你告诉我，你现在对那个时刻的回忆是什么，不是被誊本——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——唤起的记忆——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——以及录音，但不是向我重复你在誊本上读到的内容——\n\n答：对。\n\n问：——如果录音有这个意思的话。\n\n答：对。我明白你的意思。我——如果不基于那段录音和那些材料，在今天，我会——我会记得当时发生了这场——发生了这场混乱，混乱的时刻。\n\n第52页\n高度保密\n\n而且我记得当时发生的交流以及争议，但可能记不得每一个具体的字眼了。\n\n问：除了你告诉我的关于争议的情况——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——即关于使用了 Ace Decade 或 Dawn State 这个名称存在问题——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——你还记得那个时刻的任何具体细节吗？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：那个时刻不仅仅涉及 Dawn State 和 Ace Decade。那正是 Claiborne 女士（Ms. Claiborne）发现错误的时刻，但那个时刻也是一系列或大或小错误的延续，所以它——那是——\n\n这就是我所回忆起来的，而且——而且特别是所——所发生的是，口译员会用中文向证人提问，然后证人会用中文回答，而且——而且因为那种交流，它——\n\n第53页\n高度保密\n\n就好像口译员在向证人提问——可能是为了问一个澄清性的问题，因此他认为不需要将其翻译或口译回英文以便房间里的其他人知晓。\n\n那种私下的对话并没有被记录在誊本中，这就是为什么——为什么会发——会发生这种情况，而且我想我一度准备提出这一点，事实上，我想 Baldiga 先生（Mr. Baldiga）说过类似“你能不能把那些翻译一下？”这样的话。\n\n但到那个时候，我想 Claiborne 女士也注意到了 Ace Decade 和 Dawn State 的错误，所以那件事就被搁置了——我想那被搁置了，所以当时发生了很多这类事情……那——\n\n那并不完全是翻译问题，那实际上关乎口译员的礼仪——职业礼仪——你知道的，所以在某一时刻，我大声提出了一个问题。这就是我所记得的。\n\n第54页\n高度保密\n\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：对于你应 Francis 女士要求审阅的那部分誊本中说了什么，你还记得其他任何具体内容吗？\n\n答：我没有其他独立的回忆了。\n\n问：好的。\n\n（随即，进行了非正式的记录外讨论。）\n\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：在向你发送这部分誊本之前，Francis 女士是否与你谈论过此问题？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：是否有与该誊本相关的附函？\n\n答：电子邮件只是要求我——事实上，我现在不确定电子邮件上说了什么，但是没有，没有附函。\n\n问：好的。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：你是否——你是否审阅过第 341 节（341）誊本的任何其他部分？\n\n第55页\n高度保密\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：除了 Francis 女士发给你的 3 月 21 日或 4 月 6 日的内容之外？\n\n答：除了 Francis 女士发给我的那部分之外，我没有审阅过任何一天的任何其他部分的誊本。\n\n问：除了她想让你检查之外，Francis 女士是否告诉过你她为什么要发给你那部分？\n\n答：没有。她对我说：“听录音并检查誊本。”\n\n问：好的。\n\n答：并查看其是否准确。\n\n问：你是否有 Francis 女士发给你的那份录音和电子邮件的副本？\n\n答：它是作为附件连同电子邮件一起发送给我们的，所以它应该和电子邮件在一起。\n\nLuft 先生：好的。Eric，我要求立即出示这些文件，是的。\n\nHenzy 先生（MR. HENZY）：目前没有出示文件的请求。\n\nLuft 先生：我现在就在向你提出要求。\n\nHenzy 先生：我——那你就需要给我一份正式的文件出示请求。目前没有——\n\n第 58 页\n\n- 高度机密\n\n在联邦规则中，根本不存在所谓的口头出示请求，明白吗？如果规则里有什么我不知道的，你们应该告诉我。\n\nBASSETT 先生：Eric，鉴于即将举行的听证会，是存在配合并提供根据请求你有义务出示的文件这回事的——\n\nHENZY 先生：你现在想就此争论吗？\n\n（暂停。）\n\nHENZY 先生：日程是你们定的日程。你们人手肯定够。你们在想要东西的时候肯定知道怎么开口要。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。请记录在案，我正递给 Henzy 先生一份书面便条，上面写着“请出示你刚刚作证提到的电子邮件和电子文本”。\n\n上面注明了今天的日期，并签有我的名字。\n\nHENZY 先生：谢谢。\n\n第 59 页\n\n- 高度机密\n\nLUFT 先生：现在你有书面请求了。请出示。我要求在本次取证过程中出示，拜托了。\n\n由 LUFT 先生发问：\n\n你曾与 Zeisler 律师事务所（Zeisler firm）分享过这封来自 Francis 女士（Ms. Francis）的电子邮件和音频文件吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n你是如何回复 Francis 女士的？\n\n我说——我想我回了一封电子邮件说：“好的，我会听并且我会核对。”\n\n那你那样做了吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n你有那封电子邮件的副本吗？\n\n我想应该在我的电子邮件里。\n\nLUFT 先生：你想让我在“email”后面加个“s”，还是——\n\nHENZY 先生：你想怎样都行。\n\n由 LUFT 先生发问：\n\n好的。我正在请求出示那封电子邮件。\n\n你是如何将核对该部分记录的结果告知 Francis 女士的？\n\n答：我就把文件发回去了。\n\n你曾就此事与 Francis 女士交谈过吗？\n\n第 60 页\n\n高度机密\n\n我发了——我把我的工作成果发回去了。\n\n你的工作成果是什么？\n\n是音频的记录。\n\n是我自己听音频文件后做出的转录记录。\n\n所以你制作了该音频文件的转录稿，在其中你——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n请向我解释一下。\n\n我不明白。是你翻译了——你——大部分内容是英文的，那么到底是怎么回事？\n\n答：是的。\n\n并且也翻译了用中文讲的部分，是的。\n\n你有那份文件的副本吗？\n\n我有一份副本，是的。\n\n我可以拿一份副本吗？\n\nHENZY 先生：不行。我的意思是——不行。\n\n在今天中午之前你就会看到它作为证物提交。\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\n由 LUFT 先生发问：\n\n这不是你的责任。\n\nLUFT 先生：我认为你们有一位证人，却不提供你们打算在庭审中使用的证物，以此来暗算我们，这是完全不当的。\n\n第 61 页\n\n- 高度机密\n\nHENZY 先生：日程是你们定的，Avi。\n\n这是你们的——\n\nLUFT 先生：你这是什么意思，是我的日程？\n\nHENZY 先生：你们没有要求我们出示任何东西。这是——这是——抱歉。这是法官定的日程。\n\nBASSETT 先生：Eric，这也并非事实。\n\nLUFT 先生：是的。\n\nBASSETT 先生：我们事先就为了这个确切的目的，向你和你的同事索要过你们打算使用的证物的副本——\n\nHENZY 先生：对。\n\nBASSETT 先生：——以及证人的身份信息——\n\nHENZY 先生：对。\n\nBASSETT 先生：——而你们拒绝提供。\n\nHENZY 先生：我们所做的就是遵守法院的命令，如果你们对法院的命令不满意，Nick，你们绝对知道怎么回去申请救济。\n\n第 62 页\n\n高度机密\n\nBASSETT 先生：好的。\n\nHENZY 先生：这是你们的日程。你们是以专家证人的基础提出听证的。\n\nBASSETT 先生：Eric。\n\nHENZY 先生：我们本来可以用完全不同的方式来处理这件事。是你们选择了这个日程。如果你们不喜欢——\n\nJim 当时给你们的答复是，如果你们——我们将遵守法院的命令。这就是我们正在做的事情。\n\nBASSETT 先生：我当时给 Jim 的答复（这是正确的）是，无论法院设定证人证物名单交换最终截止日期的命令如何，我们都有权向你们请求证据开示，我们正是以请求提供你们当时已知预期在听证会上使用的所有证物和证人的形式进行的。\n\n而得到的答复却是“我们不会给你们。我们要等到周五。”\n\n第 63 页\n\n高度机密\n\nLUFT 先生：周五什么时候我们能拿到这个？\n\nBASSETT 先生：中午。\n\nLUFT 先生：我们为什么不暂停录录？因为我们可能需要等到你把它交过来。\n\nHENZY 先生：我想这取决于你们。我的意思是，你们不能——你们不能——实际上，这并不取决于你们。\n\n你们现在不能说让这位证人在这里干等一个半小时，就因为你们没有——\n\n（听不清的多人同时说话。）\n\nLUFT 先生：如果你告诉 Manning 法官（Judge Manning）这就是你们——你们办案的方式，你们可以去谈。我们现在就暂停记录——\n\nHENZY 先生：没问题。\n\nLUFT 先生：——然后我们再看情况如何。\n\n录像师：时间是上午 10:30。我们暂停记录。\n\n（于上午 10:30 休会。）\n\n（于上午 10:57 恢复。）\n\n录像师：时间是上午 10:57。\n\n第 62 页\n高度机密\n\n我们重新回到记录。\n由 Luft 先生（MR. LUFT）发问：\n问：你提到你给 Francis 女士（Ms. Francis）发送了你从音频翻译的工作成果。\n答：嗯，是的。\n问：你是否有——你做过该文件的任何草稿吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你是否有该文件的任何内部草稿？\n答：没有。\n问：你在制作该文件时做过任何笔记吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你是否问过 Francis 女士你制作该文件是出于什么目的？\n答：没有。\n问：你是否问过 Francis 女士她为什么特别想要翻译这两天证词的这一部分？\n答：我想没有。\n问：在你把文件发给 Francis 女士之后，你和她有过任何沟通吗？\n\n第 63 页\n高度机密\n\n答：没有。\n问：在你把文件发给 Francis 女士之后——顺便问一下，Francis 女士代表谁？\n答：我不知道。\n（停顿。）\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：你问过她代表谁吗？\n答：没有。\n问：如果你完全不知道 Francis 女士是要求你为谁做的，你为什么要做？\n答：她是 API 的客户。\n问：所以你的客户——Francis 女士是——是你的客户？\n答：不是。我的意思是，如果她要求我做一项工作，那我就会做这项工作并把它交还给她。\n问：Francis 女士为这项工作付你钱了吗？\n（停顿。）\n证人：没有。\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：好的。谁为这项工作付你钱了？\n答：律师事务所。\n问：哪位律师？\n答：Zeisler 先生（Mr. Zeisler）的律所。\n问：所以是 Zeisler 先生的律所付钱让你做这项翻译的？\n\n第 64 页\n高度机密\n\n答：我想是的，对。\n问：但是是 Francis 女士要求你做的？\n答：嗯，是的。\n问：他们付了你多少钱来做这项翻译？\n答：我是按天收费的——\n问：好的。\n答：——而且我必须说这个吗？\n问：你必须说。很抱歉。\nHenzy 先生（MR. HENZY）：这不是很相关。\n但是是的，如果他真的很想知道，你必须说。\n证人：作为一名口译员，我的日费率是一天一千美元。\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：这就是付给你做这项翻译的金额吗？\n答：是的。\n问：你花了多长时间做这项翻译？\n答：大约一天。\n（停顿。）\n\n第 65 页\n高度机密\n\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：在你发送——\n你花了多长时间把你的工作成果交还给 Francis 女士？\n（停顿。）\n证人：你能再问一遍这个问题吗？\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：当然。你说 Francis 女士大约一个月前把这份庭审笔录的这部分发给了你——\n答：是的。\n问：在收到包含要求你翻译它的电子邮件后——\n答：是的。\n问：——你花了多长时间把你的工作成果交还给她？\n（停顿。）\n证人：我想是几天或者数天。几天之内。\n由 Luft 先生发问：\n问：好的，所以——但是在之后一周之内？\n答：是的。我想是的，对。\n问：在你把工作成果发还给 Francis 女士之后——\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第67页 第66页\n\n高度机密 - 高度机密\n\n……属于特权保护范围。那就是——\n\n——关于这份翻译，你还和Francis女士（弗朗西斯女士）有过其他谈话吗？\n\n那是第三方受特权保护的典型案例，Avi（阿维）。我没办法——我做不了我的工作，因为我不懂中文。有一段音频是中文的。我需要一名口译员告诉我音频里说了什么，明白吗？\n\nHENZY律师（亨齐律师）：我现在要基于律师-委托人保密特权提出异议。我指示你不得回答。\n\nLUFT律师（卢夫特律师）：基于谁的律师-委托人保密特权？不好意思。只是——Eric（埃里克），我只是想弄清楚，这是谁和谁之间的关系？\n\nHENZY律师：是Melissa Francis（梅丽莎·弗朗西斯）与Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）之间的关系。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\n问：好的。Francis女士是你的代理律师吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\nLUFT律师：那我无法理解这里主张的是什么特权。\n\n证人：但不管怎样，不是。\n\nHENZY律师：这是属于Kwok先生的特权。你不能侵犯律师-委托人保密特权。其当时是在Kwok先生的法律顾问的指导下担任口译员，所以属于特权保护范围。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\n问：是谁雇佣你做这份工作的？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你是代表谁进行翻译的？\n\n（停顿。）\n\n证人：我真不知道。从流程上讲——你知道的。我只是接了这个活，然后听文件，接着做出工作成果。我把它寄回去，然后拿到报酬。对我来说，事情到这里就结束了。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\n问：好的。所以Henzy先生的律师事务所当时并不是你的代理人，对吗？\n\n答：对，没错。\n\n问：好的。请你告诉我，关于这次沟通，除了Francis女士发送的文件之外，你和她之间还有过任何其他沟通吗？\n\n第68页 第69页\n\n高度机密 - 高度机密\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\nHENZY律师：异议，特权。我指示你不得回答。\n\n问：你知道自己是以事实证人还是专家证人的身份作证吗？\n\nLUFT律师：Eric，你不能把一份证据递上来并出示其中的部分内容，然后又说“但我不会告诉你关于它说过的任何事情”。这是你自己的选择。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\nLUFT律师：Henzy先生，在该事项中，该证人是被作为专家证人还是事实证人提出？\n\nHENZY律师：证人，我认为，主要是事实证人。我不会说完全是作为事实证人。\n\nHENZY律师：但你问的问题不是关于该证人就此说了什么或者做了什么。你问的是关于律师对该证人说了什么的沟通内容。\n\nLUFT律师：好吧，根据联邦民事诉讼规则，我们有权知道该证人是否被作为专家证人提出。所以需要你明确告诉我，因为这会影响到我接下来的询问。\n\nHENZY律师：证言中可能会有一些被视为专家证言的方面。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\n问：让我问你这个，你今天到场——你在本案中是以事实证人还是专家证人的身份作证？\n\nLUFT律师：既然如此，就不存在特权，我有权询问该证人这一点。作为出庭作证的证人，我有权了解其意见、所依据的事实，以及与这些意见相关的沟通情况。\n\nHENZY律师：异议，要求作出法律结论。我不知道证人怎么会知道这个。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n第70页 第71页\n\n高度机密 - 高度机密\n\n问：在本案中你准备提出哪些专家意见？\n\n……所依据的事实，以及与这些意见相关的沟通。\n\nHENZY律师：异议，要求作出法律结论。\n\nHENZY律师：但那并不是你刚才问的问题。\n\nLUFT律师：绝对就是。\n\nLUFT律师：我有权知道——如果将被作为专家提出，我有权知道——\n\nHENZY律师：你刚才并没有问你依据了什么。\n\nHENZY律师：我——\n\nLUFT律师：好吧。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\nHENZY律师：我是说，Avi，你可以问那个问题，然后我们再接着往下进行。\n\n问：在本案中你打算提出哪些专家意见？\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\nHENZY律师：异议，要求作出法律结论。你可以询问她将要提供什么。\n\n问：嗯……你会在本案中提供专家证言吗？\n\nLUFT律师：不，Eric。\n\nHENZY律师：异议，要求作出法律结论。\n\nHENZY律师：我不会——我不会——你是对的。我不应该告诉你该问什么问题。你是对的。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\n问：你可以回答。\n\nLUFT律师：更重要的是，如果你提出了一位专家证人，你必须在其作证审查之前披露其持有的专家意见。\n\n答：如果法庭要我说什么、回答某个问题，我就会回答问题。我不知道自己是被要求作为专家证人还是别的什么证人。我来这里只是为了回答问题。\n\nHENZY律师：所以——所以你可以提问。问吧。\n\n第72页 第73页\n\n高度机密 - 高度机密\n\nHENZY律师：我——我已经提出了异议，现在证人可以回答这个问题了。\n\n答：嗯，那是为了为案子做准备，对吧？\n\n问：这个——\n\n答：法庭？\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\n问：你知道在本案中你准备向法庭提供哪些专家意见吗？\n\n问：嗯。\n\n问：——请告诉我你打算在周二的听证会上提供的所有专家意见。\n\n答：我不知道，但我是一名法庭认证的口译/笔译员，我从事法庭口译工作已经超过20年了。因此，如果法庭向我询问有关口译的问题，我会作为一名经验丰富的法庭认证口译员告诉他们我的看法。\n\nHENZY律师：异议，要求作出法律结论。\n\n证人：我不知道。我——无论法庭问我什么——无论在周二的法庭听证会上问我什么问题，我都会回答。\n\n问：如果法庭选择不向你提出任何问题——\n\n答：嗯。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\n问：——你就不准备在本案中提供任何专家证言了吗？\n\n问：所以今天坐在这里，你并不知道自己打算在听证会上提供任何专家意见——\n\nHENZY律师：异议。要求作出法律结论。而且语义模糊且不明确。\n\n答：没错。\n\n问：——就这项藐视法庭动议而言？\n\n证人：如果法庭不问我问题，我为什么要说什么呢？\n\n答：没错。\n\nLUFT律师提问：\n\nHENZY律师：异议，要求作出法律结论。\n\n问：因为我相信Henzy先生希望你回答问题。\n\n（停顿。）\n\n877-702-9580\n\n第74页\n\n高度机密\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\nHenzy 先生是否要求你在周二的听证会上提出任何专家意见？\n\nHENZY 先生：反对，要求得出法律结论。\n\n证人：没有具体的。\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\nHenzy 先生的事务所里有人要求你在周二的听证会上提出任何专家意见吗？\n\nHENZY 先生：同上反对。\n\n证人：没有。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\nFrancis 女士是否要求你提出任何专家意见——\n\n证人：没有。\n\n问：——在周二的听证会上？\n\nHENZY 先生：同上反对。\n\n证人：没有。\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\nKwok 先生（郭文贵）的任何律师是否要求过你提出任何专家意见？\n\n答：没有。\n\n第75页\n\n高度机密\n\n（暂停。）\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：那么今天坐在这里，你无法指出你计划在周二的听证会上作为证词向本法庭提出的任何专家意见，对吗？\n\nHENZY 先生：同上反对。\n\n证人：对。\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：好的。除了 Francis 女士发给你的那部分笔录外，你是否审查过为期两天的 341 听证会证词的任何其他部分？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你曾经要求审查过其中的任何其他部分吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你曾经听过 341 听证会其余部分的音频吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：曾经有人要求你听 341 听证会音频的任何其他部分吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：曾经有人要求你看 341 听证会笔录中除 Francis 女士为你挑选的部分以外的任何其他部分吗？\n\n第76页\n\n高度机密\n\n答：没有。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：你曾经担任过法庭口译员吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：什么时候？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：我的意思是，担任法院的口译员。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：是的？所以我指的是——\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：——只是澄清一下。抱歉。\n\n答：是的，在过去的20到30年间。\n\n问：好的。频率如何？\n\n答：20年前更频繁一些，最近10年少一些，去年更少。\n\n问：在过去的10年里，你为法院担任口译员的频率如何？\n\n答：多频繁？这真的很难说。\n\n问：请尽你最大的记忆回答。\n\n第77页\n\n高度机密\n\n答：你看，我接案子做，而且——而且有许多法院……\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：一个月一次。一个月一个案子。\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：你第一次与郭先生共事是什么时候？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：我不记得我最后一次作为核对口译员为郭先生出庭的听证会是什么时候了。\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：你还记得你第一次为郭先生担任口译员是什么时候吗？\n\n答：我记得的那次，是的。\n\n问：那是什么时候？\n\n答：我不记得具体时间了。应该是在2016年至2017年之间。那是第一次。\n\n问：好的，除了在法庭程序中为郭先生担任核对口译员之外，你是否曾经以任何其他身份为郭先生工作过——或者代表郭先生工作过？\n\n第78页\n\n高度机密\n\n答：在早期，是的。\n\n第一次我被——我被推荐去为他的会议做口译。\n\n问：那是场什么会议？\n\n答：那是一场原本应该在——应该在华盛顿特区举行的会议。然而，会议没有开成，但那是我第一次见到他。\n\n问：除了——除了在法庭程序中担任核对口译员之外，你还有其他为郭先生工作过的时候吗？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：请告诉我关于那些事。\n\n答：我在一个法庭案件中为郭先生担任口译员——在一个关于诽谤的案件中。\n\n问：除了与法庭案件有关之外——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——你是否曾经以任何身份担任过——为郭先生工作过——\n\n答：作为一名——\n\n问：——除了你提到的那场会议之外？\n\nHENZY 先生：我提出反对。含糊不清。我不是想——只是——\n\n第79页\n\n高度机密\n\nLUFT 先生：好的。\n\nHENZY 先生：以任何其他身份为他工作？你的意思是指作为雇员还是\n\nLUFT 先生：为他工作。我不管怎么描述它。\n\nHENZY 先生：好的。\n\n证人：就只是会议。\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：你为郭先生做过哪些会议的工作？\n\n答：郭先生曾经，我想——\n\n过去每年一次，他会举办那些反对共产党的会议，会有几名口译员为那些会议提供同声传译。\n\n我们会——我们会——我们会在会议环境中做那些会议口译——同声传译。\n\n问：还有其他吗？\n\n答：还有法院的诽谤案和核对口译。\n\n问：还有其他吗？\n\n答：差不多就这些了。\n\n（随后进行了记录外的非正式讨论。）\n\n第80页\n\n高度机密\n\n（暂停后继续。）\n\n问（由 Luft 先生）：\n\n问：据你最好的估计，你被郭先生雇用了多少次？\n\n答：我从未被郭先生雇用过。\n\n问：那么是谁雇用了你？\n\n答：他的办公室。\n\n问：郭先生的办公室是什么？\n\n答：请再说一遍？\n\n问：你说“郭先生的办公室”是什么意思？\n\n答：他的职员。\n\n问：郭先生的职员里有谁？\n\n答：对于法庭案件，那就是 Francis 女士；在会议刚开始时，是 Wang 女士。\n\n问：除了 Francis 女士和 Wang 女士，郭先生的职员里还有其他人吗？\n\n答：那我不知道了。\n\n问：除了 Francis 女士和 Wang 女士之外，你还知道有其他人为郭先生工作吗？\n\n答：我不认识他们。\n\n第81页\n\n高度机密\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你说他们雇用了你，他们雇用你是代表他们的老板郭先生工作？\n\n答：他们雇用我在一场活动中工作，而那些活动——不管是什么活动，那就是那场活动。\n\n问：那么我们拿诽谤案来说。\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：郭先生是该案的当事人吗？\n\n答：没错。\n\n问：而且你是被郭先生的职员雇用代表他们的老板工作的？\n\n答：作为一名口译员。\n\n问：对。代表他们的老板郭先生？\n\n答：为了郭先生。\n\n问：好的，谁为你代表郭先生所做的工作支付了报酬？\n\n答：在那个时期，是 Golden Spring（金泉）。\n\n问：你与 Golden Spring 签过合同吗？\n\n答：没有。没有。\n\n问：那么你是怎么知道 Golden Spring 会为你代表郭先生所做的工作支付报酬的？\n\n第 82 页\n高度机密\n\n问：当你说“Wang 女士”时，你指的是 Yvette Wang（王雁平）吗？\n\n答：我想那是我第一次经由一位同行翻译引荐为 Kwok 先生（郭文贵）的会议工作，并且——因为我是由同行翻译推荐介绍的，所以如果我的同事为他工作并拿到了报酬，那我想我也能拿到报酬。\n\n问：那么当 Kwok 先生让 Golden Spring（金泉公司）向你支付——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——你的报酬时，他们是怎么把钱寄给你的？\n\n答：他们邮寄给我的。\n\n问：通过支票？\n\n答：嗯，是的。\n\n问：那张支票是从谁的账户开出的？\n\n答：Golden Spring。\n\n问：对于你为他所做的任何工作，Kwok 先生是否曾通过除 Golden Spring 以外的任何实体向你付款？\n\n（停顿。）\n\n证人：如果我是受 Golden Spring 签约聘用或被其要求为某场活动工作，那么我就是由 Golden Spring 付款的。\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：至于你为 Kwok 先生做的其他工作，除 Golden Spring 之外，是否曾有任何人为你该等工作付过款？\n\n第 83 页\n高度机密\n\nSpring？\n\n问：“其他工作”指的是——\n\n答：指的是像 Kwok 先生卷入的——诽谤案之类的，对吧？\n\n答：那是 Golden Spring 要求的，所以是 Golden Spring 付给我钱。\n\n问：你代表 Kwok 先生所做的工作，是否曾由 Golden Spring 以外的任何实体支付过报酬？\n\n答：关于这次破产案件——\n\n问：嗯。\n\n答：——法庭听证会，担任法庭指定翻译，我是由代理律师的律师事务所支付报酬的。\n\n问：你今天的时间有报酬吗？\n\n答：现——现在在这里没有。\n\n问：周二呢？你有报酬吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：那是谁在支付？\n\n答：我预计会有，正如你——\n\n问：那是谁在付你这笔钱？\n\n答：因为这是 Zeisler（蔡斯勒律师事务所）要求的，所以我将把发票寄给 Zeisler，并且我预计 Zeisler 先生会付钱给我。\n\n第 84 页\n高度机密\n\n问：那关于 Francis 女士寄给你的翻译工作呢，谁会为此向你付款？\n\n答：我也把发票寄给 Zeisler。\n\n问：你能给——\n\n问：你能告诉我，从你第一次开始为 Kwok 先生工作直到今天，你为他工作一共赚了多少钱吗？\n\n答：我没有统计过。\n\n问：你最准确的估计是多少？\n\n（停顿。）\n\n证人：这真的很难说。我——我——\n\n证人：我没法说，因为早些时候，我为他做过很多次会议翻译，那时候报酬不错。现在没那么多了，所以——\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：你认为你为 Kwok 先生工作赚的钱超过了 10,000 美元吗？\n\n答：从——自 2016 年还是 2017 年算起？\n\n问：是的。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：超过 20,000 美元？\n\n答：是的。\n\n第 85 页\n高度机密\n\n问：超过 50,000 美元？\n\n答：这个我不能确定。\n\n问：有可能超过 50,000 美元吗？\n\n答：你看，问题在于我得请你做个除法。五万美元除以一千，是多少场活动？\n\n答：因为我记得的是活动场次。我其实不记得具体数额——你懂的。\n\n问：从 2016 年到今天——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——有谁是你合作的频率超过 Kwok 先生的吗？\n\n答：多得多。是的。\n\n问：你还有多少其他客户？\n\n答：我有很多客户。\n\n问：你是否曾就 Kwok 先生的商务会议担任过他的翻译？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：那当 Kwok 先生与 Francis 女士交谈时呢？谁为他们翻译？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你曾见过 Kwok 先生与 Francis 女士交谈吗？你曾见过他跟 Francis 女士说话吗？\n\n第 86 页\n高度机密\n\n答：我可能见过。我记不得具体情况了。\n\n问：你当时需要为他们翻译吗？\n\n答：不需要。\n\n问：他们只是用英语交谈，所以没有必要翻译吗？\n\n（停顿。）\n\n证人：我正在努力回忆我当时是否在场。我不知道。\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：那当 Kwok 先生用英语与其他人交谈时呢？他会要求你帮他解释词汇吗？\n\n答：当他与律师会面时，我会为他翻译。\n\n问：好的，但当他用英语与其他人交谈时，他是否曾要求你帮他解释他在英语中不会表达的词汇？\n\nHENZY 先生：反对。我不确定——\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：你可以继续。请回答。\n\n答：除了法庭案件之外，我不在庭外为他进行英语翻译。\n\n问：你曾听过 Kwok 先生说英语吗？\n\n答：听过。\n\n第 87 页\n高度机密\n\n问：有多频繁？\n\n答：他有时会用蹩脚的英语与他的律师交谈。\n\n问：持续多——而且他们谈论的是法律事务吗？\n\n答：不，我不这么认为。在讨论法律事务时，我会进行翻译。\n\n问：但除此之外，他用蹩脚的英语与律师交谈？\n\n答：比如“How are you（你好吗）？”这类的话。\n\n问：他的英语熟练程度如何？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：从——根据你的观察？\n\nHENZY 先生：反对。已问过并已回答。\n\n（停顿。）\n\n证人：在日常交际、处理随意琐事方面，他还算可以。\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：关于你代表 Kwok 先生所做的工作，你是否曾收到过除 Golden Spring 或 Zeisler 律所之外的任何实体开出的支票？\n\n（停顿。）\n\n证人：Golden Spring 和 Zeisler。\n\n第 88 页\n高度机密\n\n证人：最近还有 Brown Rudnick（布朗·拉德尼克律师事务所）。就这些了。\n\nLUFT 先生提问：\n\n问：就这些了？好的。你随 Kwok 先生一起出行吗？\n\n答：不。\n\n问：好的。当 Kwok 先生——\n\n第 89 页\n高度机密\n\n问：Krasner？\n\n答：Max Krasner？没有。\n\n问：Aaron Mitchell 呢？\n\n答：我在法庭上见过他，如果 Kwok 先生会迟到或者他在场，他会告诉我——\n\n……郭文贵（Kwok）有份工作要交给你——诸如此类的话。\n\n嗯哼。\n\n问：——他是如何向你传达这一点的？\n\n答：郭先生（Mr. Kwok）从来没有直接联系过我，而且这——这不是他的工作。王女士（Ms. Wang）会通知我去为郭先生的会议担任翻译。\n\n问：你说这不是郭先生的“工作”，是什么意思？\n\n答：我的意思是我并不是——在会议上，我并不是真正贴身陪在他身边做翻译。那是个会议。你知道的，那是一场活动，所以我只是在那场会议上进行翻译。\n\n问：好的。那么当你担任……\n\n答：Daniel Podclski（丹尼尔·波德尔斯基）？\n\n他在场，当时有——当时我正在那些会议中工作。\n\n问：……之间的关系是怎样的\n\nMR. LUFT（拉夫特先生）：我撤回该问题。\n\n由拉夫特先生主问：\n\n问：王女士为她的老板郭先生做些什么工作？\n\n答：我——\n\nMR. HENZY（亨齐先生）：反对，缺乏证据基础。\n\n证人（THE WITNESS）：我不是很清楚。我只是收到提供翻译的请求。\n\n由拉夫特先生主问：\n\n……为Mr. Kwok（郭文贵先生）担任核对口译员？\n对，Ms. Francis（弗朗西斯女士）会告诉我时间、日期和地点——\n嗯。\n\n问：但您知道Ms. Wang（王女士）是为郭先生工作的——\n答：是的。\n\n-- 我会去那里的。答。问。你曾与 Max 有过任何沟通吗 -- 对吗？答。是的。\n\n第 90 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问。你曾看到 Kwok 先生（郭先生）给她指示吗？\n\n答。我个人没有看到。\n\n问。你曾作为翻译为 Kwok 先生（郭先生）家里的其他成员工作过吗？\n\n答。没有。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nLUFT 先生（鲁夫特律师）问：\n\n问。你被告知在本案中作证会获得什么报酬？\n\n答。你是说这里，现在？为了这个 --\n\n问。为了 --\n\n答。-- 或者任何事情？\n\n问。为了任何事情 --\n\n答。没有。\n\n问。-- 与此藐视法庭动议相关的。\n\n答。没有。我在法庭上作证，或者我 -- 当我接受录音录像取证（deposed）时，当这是一起法院诉讼时，我不知道那应该获得报酬。\n\n问。所以如果你周二出庭 --\n\n答。是的。\n\n问。-- 你并不期望获得报酬？\n\n答。作为证人不是。\n\n问。你期望作为什么身份获得报酬？\n\n第 91 页\n\n高度机密\n\n答。如果我是核查翻译员（check interpreter），是的，我期望获得报酬。\n\n问。在周二的听证会上，你打算担任 Kwok 先生（郭先生）的核查翻译员吗？\n\n答。我原以为我是要担任这个的。\n\n问。当你说你原以为你将担任这个时，你是什么意思？\n\n答。因为在您问我周二是否要作证之前，我并不知道我要作证。\n\n答。所以我的全部 -- 我的全部理解是，我将担任那场听证会的核查翻译员。\n\n问。所以这在今天对你来说很意外，是吧？\n\n答。正如我所说，我可能当时没有领会到。也许有人提过。只是 -- 只是我没有捕捉到。我以为只有今天，所以是的。\n\n问。你周二的工作会拿到一千美元的报酬吗？\n\n答。嗯，这取决于时间。如果是全天，是的。\n\n问。如果不是，你有小时费率吗？\n\n答。如果是落在 -- 四小时以内，那将是半天的费率。\n\n第 92 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问。也就是 $500？\n\n答。不是。\n\n问。你的半天费率是多少？\n\n答。你必须问我费率吗？真的吗？\n\n问。我很抱歉。\n\n答。我必须说吗？\n\nHENZY 先生（亨齐律师）：你必须说，是的。\n\n证人：金钱不应该在公开场合谈论。不管怎样，600。\n\nLUFT 先生（鲁夫特律师）问：\n\n问。好的。截至目前，郭先生是否因你代表他完成的工作而欠你任何钱？\n\n答。我还没有为今天发送任何发票，所以没有。\n\n问。截至今天为止你一直在做的工作呢？\n\n答。没有人欠我钱。\n\n问。好的。\n\n（暂停。）\n\nLUFT 先生（鲁夫特律师）问：\n\n问。你有任何 -- 你能告诉我你最高的 --\n\nLUFT 先生（鲁夫特律师）：让我撤回那句话。\n\n第 93 页\n\n高度机密\n\n答。嗯，是的。\n\n问。在哪里？\n\n答。英格兰（England）。\n\n问。你学的是什么专业？\n\n答。我在英格兰的威斯敏斯特大学（Westminster University）获得了翻译学士学位。\n\n问。关于你在此案中所做的工作 --\n\n答。嗯。\n\n问。-- 你在形成 -- 在开展你的工作时参考了哪些学术文献？\n\n答。我没有参考任何学术著作。\n\n问。你是否联系过该领域的任何其他专家，就你在此案中可能持有的任何意见进行咨询？\n\n答。没有。\n\n问。你能为我描述一下你在此案中开展工作所使用的方法论吗？\n\n答。我听了音频，然后我逐字转录了陈述中的英文部分，然后我把中文词语翻译成英文，并记录在我的工作成果中。\n\nLuft 先生（MR. LUFT）：\n问：你能告诉我——你上过大学吗？\n问：你手头有你制作的那些工作成果的副本吗？\n\n第 94 页\n高度机密\n\n答：没有。我身上没带。\n\n问：你家里有吗？\n\n答：我家里有。\n\nLuft 先生：好的。我希望索取关于她的意见的那份工作的副本。\n\n证人：抱歉。但是——难道不是——那不是你之前说的那份吗？你指的是别的东西吗？我没有做过任何——\n\nLuft 先生：\n问：所以你——你指的仅仅是你向 Francis 女士（弗朗西斯女士）提供的那些文件？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：好的。没有其他草稿了？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：没有其他工作成果了？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：好的。在 341 听证会之前，你参与了该听证会的准备工作吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是否为了准备那场听证会而与律师及 Kwok 先生（郭文贵先生）会面？\n\n第 95 页\n高度机密\n\n答：341 听证会吗？我参加过几次 Kwok 先生与律师之间的会议，但我记不清具体是——具体哪些会议——你知道的，讨论了什么议题。\n\n问：你是否记得是否有任何关于 Ace Decade（源德有限公司）的讨论——\n\nHenzy 先生（MR. HENZY）：反对。\n\n证人：没有。\n\nLuft 先生：\n问：——在那次会议上？\n\n答：没有。\n\nHenzy 先生：反对。提请删除记录。反对，基于律师与客户特权。我指示她不要回答。\n\nLuft 先生：在该问题上，Kwok 先生的特权现在归 Despins 先生（德斯平斯先生）所有。\n\n（随后，与速记员进行了非正式的庭外记录讨论。）\n\nLuft 先生：Kwok 先生就 Brown Rudnick（布朗·鲁德尼克律师事务所）涉及其破产程序相关工作的特权，现在\n\n第 96 页\n高度机密\n\n归 Despins 先生所有。\n\nHenzy 先生：我已经回答了该问题。\n\n证人：我说没有。\n\nLuft 先生：\n问：你是否记得在 UBS（瑞银）诉讼中有任何讨论？\n\n答：不记得。\n\n问：有任何关于在 United Kingdom（英国）诉讼的讨论吗？\n\n答：什么？\n\n问：在英国的诉讼？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：律师，我此刻的记忆相当混乱。我记得提到过在英国的诉讼，但可能是在法庭上，所以我记不清确切情况——你知道的。\n\nLuft 先生：\n问：好的。在 341 听证会上听到 Ace Decade 这个名字之前——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——你以前听说过这个名字吗？\n\n第 97 页\n高度机密\n\n答：可能在律师会面期间听说过。\n\n问：关于在 341 听证会之前听到讨论 Ace Decade 的内容，你最清楚的记忆是什么？\n\n答：我记不清了。\n\n问：在那场——341 听证会刚结束之后——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——你就 Ace Decade 这个话题与任何人有过任何讨论吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：关于针对 Ace Decade 的任何提问是否存在误译的问题，你与任何人有过任何交谈吗？\n\n答：离开法庭后没有。\n\n问：离开 341 听证会后，你是否告诉过任何人，关于 Ace Decade 的翻译中存在重大不实陈述？\n\n（暂停。）\n\nHenzy 先生：反对。表意不明，含义模糊。\n\n证人：我可能——我大概会说些什么\n\n25 答：我可能有过。\n\n问：你记得是在什么语境下吗？\n答：像——像——像是一通激烈的指责——你懂的。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-958\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-70\n\n877-702-9580\n\n第98页 第99页\n高度机密 高度机密\n鲁夫特先生（Mr. Luft）问：\n问：在Kwok先生（郭文贵先生）的341听证会期间，你记下的任何笔记你现在还留着吗？\n答：没有。\n问：我是在问你，你现在是否对你认为自己当时可能说了什么有具体的记忆。\n答：没有。\n问：那些笔记怎么了？\n答：扔掉了。\n问：关于涉及Ace Decade的任何证词中的任何错误，你记得任何事情吗——\n问：你是什么时候处理掉它们的？\n答：本子用完了的时候。然后我就——我用速记本，所以本子记满了之后，我就把它们扔掉了。\n答：不记得。我可能说过什么，但我不记得我说了什么。\n（停顿。）\n鲁夫特先生问：\n问：你知道你是什么时候扔掉关于341听证会的笔记的吗？\n（停顿。）\n证人：可能是当天，也可能是下一次会议之后，因为——因为——我不是一个案子用一本笔记本，所以它是连续记录的，因此我其实记不清我是什么时候扔掉那本笔记的了。\n问：好的。你在翻译时，是等到发言人问完问题才开始翻译，还是如果问题很长，你会让他们停顿一下，先翻译问题的一部分，然后再翻译另一部分？\n答：我通常会等到问题完全问完。然后我开始——开始口译。\n问：提问者说话时你记笔记吗？\n答：是的。\n问：当你担任核查口译员时，你记笔记吗？\n答：是的。\n问：Kwok先生的律师团队中有人向你索要过有关任何翻译的笔记副本吗？\n答：没有。\n问：Kwok先生的律师团队中有人在341听证会后对你说过，因为他们担心误译的问题而想查看你的笔记吗？\n\n第100页 第101页\n高度机密 高度机密\n答：没有。\n证人：你想让我举例子吗？你想让我告诉你什么样的语境——给——比如设想一个场景还是怎么的？\n鲁夫特先生问：\n问：让我换个方式问。\n答：嗯。\n问：Kwok先生有没有对你说过，他想让你就误译的问题与他的律师沟通？\n答：没有。\n问：你说你必须考虑语境。\n答：是的。\n问：你为什么要考虑语境？\n答：嗯，如果只是一连串的问题，那么你已经口译了前面的问题，然后——所以语境自然就顺下来了，对吧？我的意思是，但如果是孤立的问题，那么——那么就不涉及语境。\n问：在341听证会上——\n答：嗯。\n问：——翻译员宣誓如实陈述，对吗？\n答：是的。\n问：作为核查口译员，你没有宣誓，对吗？\n答：我认为我们宣誓了。我认为所有口译员都宣誓了。\n问：代表Kwok先生的任何人有没有跟你谈过听证会上存在误译这一事实，并表示在听证会结束后应采取相应行动？\n答：没有。\n问：好的。你在翻译时——\n答：嗯。\n问：——你会考虑问题的语境吗？\n答：是的。\n问：怎么讲？\n答：嗯，我认为必须考虑语境，对吧？但你问我——我其实不知道该怎么回答这个问题。\n（停顿。）\n证人：你说“怎么讲”时，\n\n> 877-702-9580 TSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n第102页 第103页\n高度机密 高度机密\n问：好的。我想我们稍后可以查看笔录，但你的记忆是你作为341听证会的翻译员宣誓了？\n答：我不记得了，但因为有时——作为核查口译员，我们在法庭上和宣誓录供（deposition）时也会宣誓。因此我可能记不太清在那次具体的法庭听证会上我是否宣誓了，但作为口译员，我们——我们——我们知道我们始终是在职业誓言的约束下行事。\n问：好的，如果在那个问题上没有问题，你既不会递纸条，也不会发言，对吗？\n证人：极有可能，是的。\n鲁夫特先生问：\n问：好的，然后在这里，Kwok先生会用中文回答——\n答：是的。\n问：——然后翻译员会把Kwok先生的回答翻译成英文——\n答：是的。\n问：——对吗？\n答：是的。\n问：如果你认为翻译员在将Kwok先生的回答翻译成英文时出现了错误——\n答：是的。\n问：——你会再次当庭发言记入笔录，或者递纸条给Baldiga先生（鲍尔迪加先生）告诉他有错误，对吗？\n答：极有可能，是的。\n问：好的，在341听证会上，会用英文提问——\n问：——对吗？\n答：是的。\n问：——然后你会听到中文翻译？\n答：是的。\n问：作为核查口译员，如果那个问题有问题，你要么通过纸条告知Baldiga先生，要么你会公开发言，对吗？\n答：是的。\n问：我要递给你我将标记为证物2和证物3的副本。\n\n第104页 第105页\n高度机密 高度机密\n（随后，速记员将两份文件标记为……）\n鲁夫特先生：证物2将是2022年3月21日债权人341电话会议的笔录，案由：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）。\n同时，我还将要求标记证物3的副本，该证物是2022年4月6日债权人341续行会议的笔录，案由：Ho Wan Kwok。\n亨兹先生（Mr. Henzy）：谢谢。\n鲁夫特先生问：\n问：你面前有被标记为[已遮盖]证物2和[已遮盖]证物3的文件吗？\n答：有。\n问：你以前见过这两份文件中的任何一份吗？\n答：没有。\n问：你以前见过这些文件的部分内容吗？\n答：我以前见过一份笔录的一部分。\n问：你知道是不是这两份笔录中的一份吗？\n答：我不知道。\n问：好的。你想花点时间看一下这些文件，看看你以前是否见过这些文件的任何部分吗？\n亨兹先生：你想指出你可能是指的那部分——\n鲁夫特先生：我感兴趣的是是否见过——听着，如果你想——我是在给你的证人查看的机会。如果你不想，她不必看。\n亨兹先生：\n（停顿。）\n证人：对。我想是——我见过4月6日会议笔录的一部分。\n鲁夫特先生问：\n问：好的，你见过其中的哪一部分？\n（停顿。）\n证人：61。第61页。让我看看。\n（停顿。）\n证人：第60页、61页。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide\n\n877-702-9580\n\n第 106 页\n\n高度机密\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：62。我想大概是这样。\n\n由 Mr. Luft（卢夫特先生）问：\n\n问：好的，那么第 60 页到第 62 页是您之前看过的仅有的笔录页数？第 60 页到 62 页——\n\n答：我想是的。\n\n问：那些是 Ms. Francis（弗朗西斯女士）与您分享的部分？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：除了笔录的那些部分——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——您能否告诉我，在您的记忆被唤起后，您对 341 听证会上的提问还记得什么？\n\nMr. Henzy（亨齐先生）：反对，含糊不清。\n\n证人：所以您是问我除了——\n\n由卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：除了——\n\n答：——笔录之外？\n\n第 107 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问：从弗朗西斯女士与您分享的这几页来看——\n\n答：对。\n\n问：——您对 341 听证会还有什么清晰的回忆？\n\n答：除了有很多混乱的时刻，以及我对翻译情况引起的不——不满之外，我对 341 会议没有任何具体的回忆，但是——\n\n证人：对于那天——那天的总体情况有一个大致的回忆，但我没有其他任何具体的回忆。\n\n问：好的。让我们看 Exhibit 2（证物 2）。我想请您先翻到第 31 页和第 32 页。\n\n答：31 和 32 页？\n\n问：我特别请您看第 31 页底部延续到 32 页的内容。\n\n问：您是否看到，在底部写着“Mr. Baldiga（鲍迪加先生）：我们的译员认为回答是如果他在 Golden Spring（金泉）担任职务”——您看到了吗？\n\n答：嗯，是的。\n\n问：您是鲍迪加先生在那里提到的译员吗？\n\n答：我想是的。\n\n第 108 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问：这会是您递给鲍迪加先生一张纸条，从而让他知道您发现了问题的情况吗？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：可能。\n\n由卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：好的。如果我翻到第 33 页，看第 12 行，鲍迪加先生说：“等一下。这里有误译。”\n\n问：您认为这是您递给鲍迪加先生纸条的又一个例子吗？\n\n（数人进入会议室。）\n\nMr. Bassett（巴塞特先生）：我们先暂停记录。\n\n亨齐先生：对此感到抱歉。\n\n录像员：时间是上午 11:15。我们暂停记录。\n\n（于上午 11:15 休会）\n\n（于下午 12:03 复会）\n\n录像员：时间是下午 12:03。我们恢复记录。\n\n由卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：我相信我给您展示的最后一处是在第 33 页。我想请您翻到——\n\n第 109 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问：——第 45 页。\n\n问：您看到页面中间第 16 行，鲍迪加先生说：“存在翻译问题”吗？\n\n答：第 35 页？\n\n问：第 45 页。\n\n答：哦。\n\n问：第 16 行。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：是的。\n\n由卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：再次请问，您认为这也是您向鲍迪加先生递纸条以表达您对翻译的担忧的情况之一吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的。第 54 页。如果您看第 7 行，鲍迪加先生——这是 Bill Baldiga（比尔·鲍迪加）。\n\n问：“对不起。我认为存在翻译问题。”他继续说道。\n\n问：这是不是您因为担心存在翻译问题而向鲍迪加先生递纸条的另一个例子？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：澄清一下，我并不是指在这些方面做到面面俱到。\n\n第 110 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问：我只是引用例子来理解。\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：翻到第 59 页。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n由卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：您看到第 7 行：“鲍迪加先生：我们遇到了翻译问题。稍等一下。我想我们的译员听到了这个翻译。”\n\n问：您看到了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：您就是他所指的译员？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：那么您会递给鲍迪加先生一张纸条吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：这次采证——这次——抱歉。这次听证会是远程进行的吗？\n\n答：哦，是吗？\n\n问：是我在问。\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您记得吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：好的。当我查看当天的笔录时——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n第 111 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问：——我没有——我没有找到任何——这并不是说没有——可能并非没有，但是——我——我欢迎您查看。我没有看到任何提及私人译员发言或任何以您的名字发言的记录。\n\n问：这是否符合您的记忆，即在第一次 341 听证会上，是由鲍迪加先生提出异议，而您并未发言？\n\n（暂停）\n\n证人：我对发生的事情没有任何回忆——\n\n由卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：好的。\n\n证人：——而且我认为当他说译员——您知道，提出问题时，既然我没有发言，我认为是我递给他纸条，但是——\n\n证人：那是我的假设——\n\n问：好的。\n\n证人：——但我对发生的事情毫无印象。\n\n问：我能否请您——请您花点时间——\n\n答：对。\n\n问：——看证物 2，看看您是否能——\n\n第 112 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问：——找到任何关于您真正在记录中发言的提及，而不是鲍迪加先生仅仅根据您的建议提出异议？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：律师，您是让我查看这份文件，看看是否有任何部分提到了“私人译员”？这就是您的问题吗？\n\n由卢夫特先生问：\n\n问：是的。当我查看这份文件时，我没有看到任何关于您的提及。我也可能有遗漏。\n\n问：我请您——不是说您必须逐行查看——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——而是如果您能大致浏览一下，看看是否——看看您是否在 3 月 21 日的笔录中看到任何提及您本人的陈述。\n\n答：对。我大致翻阅了一下，没看到提到我自己。\n\n第 113 页\n\n高度机密\n\n问：在 341 听证会的笔录中有一部分，不好意思，是您递给鲍迪加先生纸条——\n\n答：可能。\n\n问：——相比于您决定开始自己开口说话的情况？\n\n答：可能，但问题是——这——\n\n证人：这让我很困惑，因为这很不符合我的性格，我不会不提出任何口头异议，只是递给他纸条而——您知道，从不曾在任何时刻提出争议。\n\n证人：可能我只是没被记录下来。我不知道。有时这是法庭速记做出的决定。\n\n问：所以您认为您可能发言了，但法庭速记员只是没有在记录中记下您说的话？\n\n答：有时会做出决定，认为由于私人译员不是官方译员，所以提出的争议未被记录下来。\n\n问：好，那么基于此以及你的——你是否认为——这是否符合你的记忆：\n\n答：有时是那样。可能是那样。我不知道。我没有看到我自己在那里（示意）。可能只是我递给他纸条。\n\n但是我觉得有时如果我递给他那么多纸条，我却没有任何言语上的争议——口头争议，这很不符合我的性格，是的。\n\n你是否看到在本文件的封面上写着“由 Christine Fiori（克里斯汀·菲奥里）准备的文字记录”？\n\n答：嗯。\n\n速记员：“是”还是“否”？\n\n证人：是。\n\nLuft 先生（勒夫特先生）提问：\n\n问：我们来看看证据 3，即 4 月 6 日的听证会。\n\n你是否看到这份文字记录的封面上显示它也是由 Christine Fiori（克里斯汀·菲奥里）准备的？\n\n答：对。\n\n你看到了吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n同一个人，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n好的。现在如果我们翻到这份文字记录的第 10 页——或者我们先翻到第 6 页。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n问：你是否看到，在页面中间以及下一页上，有多处提及“私人翻译员”？\n\n那个人是你吗？\n\nHenzy 先生（亨齐先生）：抱歉。你是——\n\nLuft 先生：Eric（埃里克），第 6 页和第 7 页中间，然后是下一页。\n\nBassett 先生（巴塞特先生）：证据 3。也可能是 2。\n\nHenzy 先生：噢，我看的是证据 2。抱歉。\n\n证人：是的。\n\nLuft 先生提问：\n\n问：好的。你就是文中所指的那位私人翻译员吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：那么这些——凡是写着“私人翻译员”的地方，那些都是你的陈述，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的，如果我翻到第 10 页，你是否看到你与官方翻译员之间就翻译问题发生了来回交涉？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：Claiborne 女士（克莱伯恩女士）要求你停止打断？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你同意了，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：然后如果你翻到第 16 页——翻到第 13 页，同样在页面顶部，你对翻译员提出了异议？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：然后如果我们翻到第 16 页，你又有一次冗长的异议？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：所以显而易见，在这一天法庭速记员记录下了你的陈述，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：而且只要你有异议，你都会记录在案地说出来，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的，如果我们翻到第 21 页至第 22 页，情况也是一样？你是在记录在案地提出异议？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你提出这些异议的原因是因为你认为翻译中出现了错误，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你想纠正它？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：另一个例子，第 39 页。你看到第 39 页第 15 行了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：第 11 行的问题是“你是否有权代表 Golden Spring New York（金泉纽约）进行金融交易？”\n\n然后你提出了异议，说：“不，不。那不是刚才的问题”，对吗？\n\n答：看来是这样。\n\n问：所以当你认为问题存在疑问时，你会告知法庭速记员和翻译人员出现了误译，对吗？\n\n答：我认为是的。\n\n问：如果你翻到第 62 页——\n\n答：你说的是 52 还是 62？\n\n问：62。\n\n我们再次看到，当你对问题有异议时，你在记录在案地提出了它，并且被记录为“私人翻译员”，对吗？\n\n答：根据这里显示的内容，是的。\n\n问：如果我翻到第 60 页，没有任何关于你发表陈述提出异议——提出任何翻译异议的记录，对吗？\n\n答：嗯。这里确实是这样。这部分是混乱的。\n\n问：没有任何记录，对吗？\n\n（暂停。）\n\n证人：在这份文字记录和记录上没有。\n\nLuft 先生提问：\n\n问：如果我翻到第 61 页，同样没有提及你对任何翻译问题提出任何异议，对吗？\n\n答：在此处的文字记录中没有记录。\n\n问：正如我们在第 62 页讨论的那样，当你有异议时，它被记录在案了，对吗？\n\n（暂停。）\n\nLuft 先生提问：\n\n问：当你为 Francis 女士（弗朗西斯女士）做翻译时——\n\n答：嗯。\n\n问：——如果你在录音中听到了被说出但未包含在记录中的内容，你会将其包含进去吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：所以就你的翻译而言，如果其中没有任何提及你提出异议的内容，那是因为你听了录音并发现事实上你没有提出任何异议，对吗？\n\n答：你能重复一下那个问题吗？\n\n问：当然。如果我看你为 Francis 女士出具的文件——\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：让我说得清楚一点。\n\n回答：在这一页的记录上，是的。\n\n回答：是的。\n\n（停顿。）如果你在录音中听到了某些未被准确记录在笔录中的内容，你会在为Francis（弗朗西斯女士）制作的文件中将其包含进去，对吗？\n\n证人：我想这就是为什么有时——\n\nHenzy先生（亨齐先生）：并没有在提问。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n回答：是的。\n\n高度机密 第 121 页\n\n- 高度机密\n\n问：请你看一下第 61 页？Baldiga先生（鲍尔迪加先生）是否曾按你的要求对翻译提出过任何异议？\n\n问：那么如果我查看你为弗朗西斯女士制作的文件，其中并未提及你对翻译提出异议，是否可以断定，当你在听录音时，你并未听到你自己提出过任何此类异议，对吗？\n\n回答：这里面没有。\n\n问：他到底有没有对翻译提出过任何异议？\n\n回答：正确。\n\n好的。如果我看第 60 页的——\n\n回答：这里显示没有。不过我可能递过一张纸条。\n\n问：好的。在你为弗朗西斯女士所做的翻译中，如果没有提及鲍尔迪加先生提出异议——\n\n那么在这一页上，你可能改变了做法，在进行到一半时突然开始递给鲍尔迪加先生纸条？\n\n回答：嗯。\n\n——是否可以断定，当你在听录音时，你并没有听到鲍尔迪加先生提出任何异议？\n\nHenzy先生：反对问题形式。这是争辩性质的。\n\n证人：可能吧。\n\nLuft先生（卢夫特先生）发问：\n\n回答：如果我不记得那件事，那是对的，那么他确实没有提出任何异议。\n\n问：你记得给鲍尔迪加先生递过纸条？\n\n（停顿。）\n\n回答：我确实记得我在那个时候前后给鲍尔迪加先生递过纸条。我不确切知道是在哪一行。是的，我记得。\n\n卢夫特先生发问：\n\n问：我想请你拿回证物 1——\n\n好的。你能看一下第 60 页吗？\n\n证物 1——也就是债务人的异议书，再次翻到第 11 页，回到那第一句话。\n\n回答：是的。\n\n“在就该动议举行的任何听证会上，债务人将提出\n\n问：鲍尔迪加先生在此处有就翻译提出任何异议吗？\n\n第 122 页\n\n高度机密\n\n……依据口译员关于 341 会议官方翻译中存在的诸多实质性缺陷的证词。」\n你看到了吗？\n嗯，是的。\n好的。我认为你曾作证称，除了 Francis 女士（弗朗西斯女士）寄给你的那部分记录誊本之外，你没有查看过 341 听证会的参考内容；是这样吗？\n是的。\n问：我认为你曾作证称，除了 Francis 女士寄给你、用来唤起你记忆的那部分记录誊本之外，你对于 341 听证会翻译中所出现的任何具体错误并没有具体记忆，对吗？\n不是具体——\n不是具体记得，但我记得当时出现过错误。\n问：但你不记得具体是什么错误了？\n是的。\n所以，除了 Francis 女士寄给你的那些页面（即第 60 页至第 62 页）之外，你今天坐在这里，对 341 会议官方翻译中的任何具体实质性缺陷都没有记忆？\n没有具体记忆。\n\n第 123 页\n\n高度机密\n\n25. 问：如果我们查看 341 听证会的第 60 页和第 61 页，你并未对翻译中的任何实质性缺陷提出异议，对吗？\n你能再说一遍吗？\n当然可以。\n如果你翻到证据 3，查看第 60 页和第 61 页——\n答：第 60 页到第 61 页？\n（停顿。）\n证人：是的。\nLuft 先生（卢夫特先生）问：\n在第 60 页或第 61 页上，没有任何记录显示你对翻译中任何所谓的实质性缺陷发表过声明或提出过异议，对吗？\n答：并非所谓的。\n问：好的。\n完全没有提及你提出过任何此类异议的记录，对吗？\n答：这份记录上没有。\n问：如果我查看你的记录誊本，并且其中没有提及你提出过此类异议，那就意味着——我说「你的记录誊本」，是指你为 Francis 女士准备的那份。\n如果其中没有提及你在第 60 页和第 61 页上提出过任何此类异议，\n\n第 124 页\n\n高度机密\n\n那么根据你对听证会录音的重新收听，你没有听到自己就任何指称的实质性缺陷提出过任何异议——\n答：没有——\n——在记录誊本中？\n答：——口头提出。\n你说「没有口头提出」——\n对。\n——是什么意思？\n我在听那份记录誊本对应的音频。\n我听不到我自己的声音，所以我无法转录……肢体动作或行为——你知道的，所以没有，我没有记录下我提出的任何口头异议，因为我没有提出任何口头异议或争执。\n好的，如果没有任何记载显示 Baldiga 先生（鲍迪加先生）因任何原因对任何翻译提出异议，包括因为你告诉他这样做，正如我们此前多次看到他所做的那样——\n嗯。\n——那么对于第 60 页或第 61 页上的任何证词，你都没有听到 Baldiga 先生提出任何异议？\n是的。\n\n第 125 页\n\n高度机密\n\n好的。\n（停顿。）\nLuft 先生问：\n问：现在，如果我们回看证据 1，在第 11 页接下来的那一行——\nLuft 先生：算了，撤回那句话。\n（停顿。）\nLuft 先生问：\n你能看一下证据 3 吗？\n除了第 60 页、第 61 页和第 62 页之外，你今天坐在这里，能否告诉我，除你在记录中提出异议或要求 Baldiga 先生提出异议的情形之外，你所知晓的翻译中的任何其他实质性缺陷？\n答：正如我今天坐在这里，除了第 60 页到第 62 页之外，我没有翻看其他任何页面。\n我无法具体说明记录了什么实质性错误，或者出现了什么实质性错误。\n好的。\n（停顿。）\nLuft 先生问：\n我可以请你翻到证据 2 吗？\n（停顿。）\n\n第 126 页\n\n高度机密\n\nLuft 先生问：\n首先，翻到第 12 页。\n你看到第 8 行写着「我认为我之前听到的其他名字是……，他是一名口译员。」吗？\n你认为这是指你吗？\n是的。能——我看的页面对吗？\nHenzy 先生（亨齐先生）：继续，Avi（阿维）。继续。\n第 12 页？\nLuft 先生问：\n是证据 2。\nHenzy 先生：证据 2。\nLuft 先生问：\n第 12 页，第 8 行至第 10 行。\n对。是的。\n太好了。好的。你能翻到第 49 页吗？你看到从第 5 行开始写着：\n「问：Kwok 先生（郭先生），Golden Spring（源泉公司）的所有人是谁？\n「答：我儿子。\n「问：除你儿子之外，还有其他 Golden Spring 的所有人吗？\n「答：没有。\n「问：Kwok 先生，你曾经拥有过 Golden Spring 的权益吗？\n\n第 127 页\n\n高度机密\n\n「答：没有。」\n我读得准确吗？\n答：是的。\n问：你在那里没有对翻译提出异议？\n答：没有。\n问：Baldiga 先生也没有提出异议？\n答：没有。\n问：你是否有任何理由认为那份记录誊本的任何部分被翻译人员误译了？\n答：没有。\n好的。\n（停顿。）\n证人：但是——\nHenzy 先生：没有——没有提问。没关系的。\n（停顿。）\nLuft 先生问：\n你还有什么想补充的吗？\n答：我刚才只是在看那个——\nHenzy 先生：好的，现在他提问了，所以你可以说了。\n证人：没有。我是说，他——\n\n第 128 页 第 129 页\n\n高度机密 高度机密\n\n鲍尔迪加先生（Mr. Baldiga）刚才——有些——在第 16 行说了些什么，对吧？\n\n卢夫特先生（Mr. Luft）发言：\n\n问：对。他提到的是某种人身安全方面的顾虑——\n\n问：——对吧？\n\n对。\n\n问：那并不是对翻译提出任何异议——\n\n好的。\n\n问：——对吗？\n\n好的。\n\n问：你同意我的说法吗？\n\n同意。\n\n好的，所以你没有理由认为翻译人员没有将我读给你听的那部分内容准确无误地翻译出来，对吗？\n\n对。\n\n好的。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n卢夫特先生发言：\n\n现在，如果我们回到证据 1（Exhibit 1）——我要请你把证据 3（Exhibit 3）和证据 1 留出来。你可以暂时把证据 2（Exhibit 2）放到一边，\n\n但不要放太远。我要请你翻回到证据 1 的第 11 页——\n\n答：好的？\n\n问：——抱歉，女士。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n卢夫特先生发言：\n\n问：你看是否写着，该页的第二行——该页完整的这一行：\n\n“举例来说，虽然 2022 年 4 月 6 日 341 会议（341 meeting）的‘官方’翻译记录中，债务人针对美国受托人（U.S. Trustee）提出的‘Ace Decade 是否还有其他所有权人？’这一问题的回答是‘没有’，”\n\n“但就在该问题之前，根据官方翻译，据称债务人在回答美国受托人提出的‘你是 Ace Decade 的唯一法定所有权人吗？’这一问题时，称自己是法定代表所有权人。”\n\n你看到了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：我只是在问你关于翻译的问题，即你核对那部分内容的时候。这是你为弗朗西斯女士（Ms. Francis）核对的部分内容之一，对吗？\n\n答：对。\n\n问：向债务人翻译的那个问题是正确的。“Ace Decade 是否还有其他所有权人”，对吗？那句话翻译得正确吗？\n\n第 130 页\n高度机密\n\n当你用“据称”这个词时，你是什么意思？\n\n第 131 页\n- 高度机密\n\n（暂停。）\n\n答：因为这里就是这么写的（示意）。\n\n问：好的，但是当你进行分析时——\n\n答：对。\n\n问：——你也认为那就是——\n\n答：好的。如果我的文件上也是这么显示的，那么是的。\n\n问：那么，你还记得吗？你是否有——\n\n（随即，与速记员在记录之外进行了非正式讨论。）\n\n卢夫特先生发言：\n\n今天坐在这里，你是否记得那一行翻译得是否正确？\n\n答：我今天坐在这里，我不记得那一行是否翻译正确。\n\n问：今天坐在这里，你对你针对第 60 页和第 61 页所做的翻译还有记忆吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：所以如果我现在查看第 60 页和第 61 页，今天坐在这里看着这份笔录，你无法告诉我依你之见哪些行翻译正确，哪些行翻译不正确？\n\n第 132 页\n高度机密\n\n第 133 页\n高度机密\n\n答：不能。\n\n问：好的。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n卢夫特先生发言：\n\n问：证据 1 上的下一行写着：“然而，债务人的口译员将作证称，债务人对美国受托人提出的‘你是 Ace Decade 的唯一法定所有权人吗？’这一问题的正确翻译应为‘我代表法定所有权人。’”\n\n你是否曾向债务人的律师表示，这就是你打算向法庭作证陈述的内容？\n\n答：我没有向任何人说过这话。没有人问过我那个问题。\n\n问：好的。\n\n（暂停。）\n\n卢夫特先生发言：\n\n问：现在，我认为那是引用了第 61 页的第 3 行至第 5 行。你看到了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n答：今天坐在这里，我——我无法说出它是否翻译得当。\n\n问：所以你无法告诉我你是否就该行是否翻译得当提供任何专家意见？\n\n亨齐先生（Mr. Henzy）：异议。那——那不是证词。\n\n卢夫特先生发言：\n\n问：这就是我向你提出的问题。\n\n答：没有任何材料帮助我，我无法单凭记忆来告诉你那是否翻译得当。\n\n问：好的。我已经为你提供了笔录，对吗？\n\n答：这是一份笔录，是的（示意）。你确实为我提供了这份呈现在我面前的笔录。\n\n问：我问的是：今天坐在这里，你能否告诉我你是否\n\n上面写着“您是 Ace Decade（Ace Decade）的唯一法定所有人吗？”今天坐在这里，您是否记得该问题是否被正确翻译成了中文？\n\n……打算就官方口译员当时是否将“您是 Ace Decade 的唯一法定所有人吗？”这一问题正确翻译成中文发表任何意见？\nMR. HENZY（亨齐先生）：反对，具争辩性。\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide 877-702-9580\n\n877-702-9580\n第 134 页 第 135 页\n1 高度机密 1 高度机密\n2 证人：仅凭摆在我面前的这份笔录， 2 我说的是“没有”还是“并非没有”？应该说“并非\n3 在没有任何其他音频文件来协助的 3 没有”。\n4 情况下，我无法就这部分翻译是否 4 Henzy 先生（Mr. Henzy）：我想你说的是并非没有。\n5 准确（做出示意）提出专家意见或专业意见。 5 Luft 先生（Mr. Luft）：我听到的也是这个。\n6 6 Henzy 先生：我听到的也是这个。\n7 Luft 先生提问： 7 Luft 先生：我没有跟着看实时转录。\n8 问：好的，如果看下一行，回答是“我是法定代表人所有人”， 8 好的。\n9 今天坐在这里，你能否告诉我，关于该句是否被正式译员 9 （暂停。）\n10 准确翻译，你是否提出任何专家意见？ 10 Luft 先生提问：\n11 11 今天坐在这里，你能否告诉我，如果要看第 3 行至第 10 行，\n12 12 依你的意见，你认为那些行的正确翻译应当是什么？\n13 Henzy 先生：反对。模糊、含混。 13 \n14 证人：不，在没有任何音频文件协助的情况下， 14 \n15 我无法说明。 15 答：不，我不能。\n16 Luft 先生提问： 16 问：好的。\n17 问：所以今天坐在这里，针对 4 月 6 日 341 会议笔录 17 （暂停。）\n18 第 61 页第 3 至 5 行，你无法告诉我你是否打算提供任何专家意见？ 18 Luft 先生提问：\n19 19 问：如果我请你看第 60 页第 16 行，你看到上面写着：\n20 20 \n21 答：如果没有音频文件来与这份笔录对照核对，我无法提供。 21 “问：Kwok 先生（郭先生），你在一家名为 Ace Decade Holdings Limited（源德控股有限公司）的公司中拥有任何权益吗？\n22 22 “答：有。”\n23 （暂停。） 23 你看到了吗？\n24 Luft 先生提问： 24 \n25 问：好的。 25 答：我看到了。\n\n第 136 页 第 137 页\n1 高度机密 1 高度机密\n2 问：并且你对那个问题没有任何异议？ 2 问：而且今天坐在这里，据你所知，你无法告诉我\n3 3 你是否知道第 60 页第 16 行至第 18 行的问答\n4 答：看起来没有。 4 是否存在任何问题？\n5 问：Baldiga 先生（Mr. Baldiga）也没有异议，对吗？ 5 \n6 答：看起来没有，是的。 6 答：我无法——我无法告诉你它是否存在任何问题。\n7 问：今天坐在这里，你能否告诉我，你是否打算就作为证据 3（Exhibit 3）的笔录 7 \n8 第 60 页上的那一问一答是否翻译正确提供任何专家意见？ 8 问：对于第 61 页第 3 行至第 10 行也是同样的情况吗？\n9 9 \n10 10 答：那些行也是同样的情况。\n11 （暂停。） 11 Luft 先生：好的。我们快速休会休息一下，看看进行到哪里了。\n12 证人：没有音频文件我无法提供。 12 \n13 13 录像师：现在时间是下午 12:39。\n14 （暂停。） 14 我们停止录音录像。\n15 Luft 先生提问： 15 \n16 16 （于下午 12:39 休会）\n17 问：好的。你上一次听那个音频文件是什么时候？ 17 （于下午 12:48 复会）\n18 答：Francis 女士（Ms. Francis）提供给我的那部分音频文件—— 18 录像师：现在时间是下午 12:48。我们恢复录音录像。\n19 我上一次听是在我对其进行处理的那天，也就是我把它寄回给她的当天或前几天。 19 Luft 先生：好的。\n20 20 我要重新提出我的请求，\n21 21 要求获取你所描述的在你与 Francis 女士以及 Kwok 先生的任何其他代理律师之间的电子邮件。\n22 22 \n23 问：在为本次录供做准备期间，有人为你播放过那个音频文件吗？ 23 并且如果向我提供了这些文件（我本应获得），我将保留向你提出额外问题的权利，\n24 24 但除此之外，此时我对你没有其他问题了。\n25 答：没有。 25 \n\n877-702-9580\n第 138 页 第 139 页\n1 高度机密 1 高度机密\n2 2 Luft 先生：反对，缺乏事实依据。\n3 3 Henzy 先生提问：\n4 4 问：好的，但是——你可以回答，但是——\n5 证人：你是在问我—— 5 答：我不知道。\n6 Henzy 先生：你不需要回答。 6 问：好的。好的。你知道——你是否知道她到底是否曾是 Kwok 先生的雇员？\n7 证人：好的。我只有几个问题。 7 \n8 8 \n9 Luft 先生：好的。 9 Luft 先生：反对，诱导性提问。\n10 10 证人：我不知道。我只是推测。\n11 反询问 11 Henzy 先生：好的。我——好的。那就——\n12 Henzy 先生提问： 12 （暂停。）\n13 13 Henzy 先生提问：\n14 问：Luft 先生问了你一些关于 Yvette Wang（王雁平）是否是 Kwok 先生雇员的问题。Yvette Wang 上一次就工作事宜给你打电话是什么时候？ 14 问：请——你能看一下证据 2 和证据 3 吗？\n15 15 \n16 16 （暂停。）\n17 答：那是很久很久以前了。我—— 17 Henzy 先生提问：\n18 问：两年多以前？ 18 问：在证据 2 上，就在第一页上，如果你翻到——上面写着——你看到上面写着“341 债权人电话会议笔录”的地方了吗？\n19 答：大概是。 19 \n20 问：好的。三年多以前？ 20 \n21 答：我不能确定。 21 答：是的，我看到了。\n22 问：好的，但是——但是——好的。你是否知晓王女士如今是否是 Kwok 先生的雇员？ 22 问：好的。你看到上面写着“电话”的地方了吗？\n23 23 答：看到了。\n24 24 问：好的。然后，看证据 3。\n25 答：我不知道。 25 答：嗯。\n\n第 140 页 第 141 页\n1 高度机密 1 高度机密\n2 问：上面写着“341 债权人续会笔录”？ 2 工作，那么你就会推测她是那个办公室的工作人员，对吗？\n3 3 \n4 答：是的。 4 问：那个办公室是 Golden Spring（源泉公司）？\n5 问：那是 4 月 6 日的，对吗？ 5 答：当时，我认为是这样。\n6 答：是的。 6 问：而 Kwok 先生是 Golden Spring 的负责人，所以这讲得通，对吗？\n7 问：那里没有写“电话”，对吗？ 7 \n8 答：对。 8 答：我不知道。\n9 Luft 先生：诱导性提问。 9 问：但你说过她为 Kwok 先生工作。那份工作是为他做的吗？\n10 Henzy 先生：好的。我没有其他问题了。 10 \n11 11 答：因为那场会议的主题是 Kwok 先生的主题。它——它——那场会议是关于反中国共产党的，所以那是 Kwok 先生的主题。然后我被聘请担任他的口译员，所以我推测她是来自他的办公室，除此以外的其他情况我一概不知。\n12 Luft 先生：好的。 12 \n13 13 \n14 再询问 14 \n15 Luft 先生提问： 15 \n16 16 \n17 问：王女士，你为什么推测——抱歉。你为什么推测王女士是 Kwok 先生的雇员？ 17 \n18 18 问：在那场会议上，你还见到了 Kwok 先生办公室的哪些人？\n19 19 \n20 答：她打电话叫我——去担任——为该活动做口译，所以—— 20 答：但是那场会议并没有举行。\n21 21 问：在你参与工作的任何其他会议上，你还见过 Kwok 先生办公室的哪些人？\n22 问：为什么——为什么那会让你认为她是为 Kwok 先生工作的？ 22 \n23 23 答：我没有和任何人见过面。\n24 答：嗯，我推测她在那个办公室。所以她打电话要求——嗯，当有人打电话叫你去从事一份 24 问：你从未见过任何其他人——\n25 25 答：没有——\n\n877-702-9580\n\n第 142 页\n高度机密\n\n问：……来自郭先生（Mr. Kwok）的办公室？\n答：——不是——我——\n我见过其他人，但我不知道他们是否来自他的办公室。我去了会议现场。我去了我的同传间。我坐下。我做我的工作。\n问：当你为这些会议工作时，是谁从 Golden Spring（金泉）给你寄支票？\n答：你知道，我其实没有看签名。\n问：当你有工作——需要工作时，总是由王女士（Ms. Wang）联系你吗？\n答：刚开始是，为了会议。\n问：所以如果是法律事务，Francis 女士（Ms. Francis）——\n答：嗯。\n问：——Golden Spring 的总法律顾问，会联系你——\n答：是的。\n问：——代表——代表郭先生行事？\n答：担任——担任取证宣誓录供（deposition）或法庭听证会的译员。\n问：代表——代表郭先生？\n答：代表郭先生，是的。\n问：如果是非法律性质的工作，那么王女士就是代表……提出请求的人\n\n第 143 页\n高度机密\n\n问：郭先生，对吗？\n答：当时是的。\nLUFT 先生（MR. LUFT）：好的。我没有其他问题了。\n摄像师：今天的宣誓录供到此结束……\n现在时间是下午 12:53。我们停止记录。\n（随后，宣誓录供于下午 12:53 结束。）\n（证物由速记速录员保留，以附于笔录之后。）\n***\n\n第 144 页\n高度机密\n证人确认书\n\n本人特此证明，本人于 2022年11月11日 给出的上述证言属实且准确，包括更正页上注明的任何更正，就本人所知所信无误。\n\n于 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n出庭\n已签署上述更正的真实性。\n\n在本人面前，-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n公证人。我的公证员任期届满日为\n\n第 145 页\n高度机密\n证明书\n\n本人，CHERYLL KERR，CSR（公认速记速录师）兼公证人（Notary Public），特此证明前文所述的录供证人已经本人正式宣誓，且该宣誓录供笔录是该证人所作证言的真实记录。\n\n本人进一步证明，本人与本诉讼的任何当事人均无血缘或婚姻关系；且本人与本案结果不存在任何利害关系。\n\n特此立据，本人于 2022年11月12日 亲笔签名。\n\nCheryll Kerr\nCHERYLL KERR, CSR\n\n第 146 页\n高度机密\n笔录勘误表：\n案件名称：In Re: Ho Wan Kwok（关于：郭文贵案）\n录供日期：2022年11月11日\n宣誓证人：\n原因代码：\n1. 澄清笔录。\n2. 符合事实。\n3. 纠正转录错误。\n页码\n\n宣誓证人签名\n\n在我面前签署并宣誓\n\n于 20__ 年 ___ 月 ___ 日\n\n（公证人） 我的公证员任期届满日：\n\n索引：$10,000 至 association\n\n139:14,18 49 126:17 9:40 24:14 aided（协助） 48:19 49:2,3\n20 72:9 76:18,20 9:45 24:15,16 alleged（指称的） 124:4\n$10,000 84:19 2016 77:20 84:21 5 ambiguous（模糊的） 19:21\n$20,000 84:24 85:10 5 126:18 132:20 A 20:4 22:25 49:8 50:3\n$50,000 85:2,4 2017 77:20 84:21 134:19 a.m.（上午） 6:9 24:12,14,15, 72:20 78:24 97:21\n106:20 134:13\n$500 92:2 2022 6:8 104:8,12 52 117:20 16 61:21,23,24,25 analysis（分析） 131:5\n129:11\n109:16 108:17,19 answering（回答） 33:14\n21 104:8 116:20 59\n110:4 Aaron 89:4 45:11,25\n21st 36:5 55:4 112:21 abbrieved（缩写） 45:21 answers（回答） 8:16\n1 6:3 20:25 21:7 22:10\n25:15 42:5 121:20,21 22 116:20 absolutely（绝对地） 32:11 anti-chinese（反华） 141:13\n125:5 128:23,25 228 6:12 6 104:11 114:23 account（账户） 82:13 anti-communist（反共）\n129:5 132:6 3 129:11 130:11,19 accurate（准确的） 55:13 79:14\n10 76:21,23 114:22\n115:22 126:15 60 105:25 106:6,8 accurately（准确地） 119:22 anticipated（预期的） 60:22\n135:12 137:9 3 104:2,5,10,16 118:2 120:8,21\n122:22 123:2,7,9,15 Ace 39:9 40:2,6 anyone's（任何人的） 24:5\n100 23:3 70:6 114:13 115:11 123:7\n125:10 128:24 130:6 124:2,23 125:11,17 46:14 52:9,15 53:15\n95:9 96:20 97:4,11, API 63:12\n10017 6:13 132:19 134:19 131:20,22 135:19\n136:9 137:5 15,19 98:8 129:13,17 apologize（道歉） 9:25\n10:30 61:21,23 135:12 136:10 137:8\n139:15,24 600 92:10 130:2,20 132:9,22\n133:22 135:22 apparent（显而易见的） 35:23\n10:57 61:24,25 30 76:18 61 105:22,25 118:13 act（行为/法案） 142:19 appeared（出庭/出现） 77:12\n11 6:8,18,21,24,25 31 107:15,16,18 121:2 123:2,8,9,15 acted（行事） 76:7,22 77:15 133:17 136:6\n8:11 21:3 22:7,8,12\n25:15 26:7 117:8 32 107:15,16,18 124:2,24 125:11\n130:7,9 131:20,22 78:18 appears（显示/看来） 117:13\n121:8 131:8\n121:22 125:6 129:3 33 108:8,25 132:20 134:19 137:9 acting（代理/行为） 66:24 76:12 approached（接洽/走近） 18:5\n11375 11:17 341 22:15 23:9 25:19 62 106:6,8 117:19,20 88:19 98:23 100:10\n102:10 approximately（大约） 6:9\n11:15 108:17,19 26:10,17,18,24 27:19 118:17 122:22\n125:11,17 action（诉讼/作为） 30:14 100:12 47:8\n12 108:8 126:3,10,15 28:7 35:6 36:6 40:12,\n16 41:19 42:2,13,16 6818 11:17 actions（行为） 124:14 April（四月） 36:6 55:4\n12:03 108:20,21 47:5 54:25 75:12,18, 6th 36:6 55:4 105:18 actual（实际的） 40:16 41:19 104:11 105:18\n114:14 129:11\n12:39 137:13,15 23 76:2 94:22 95:3\n96:21 97:4,7,17 99:3, 114:14 134:19 140:5 add（补充/添加） 33:5 127:21 134:19 140:5\n12:48 137:16,17 12 100:2 101:17 additional（额外的） 137:25 argue（争辩/主张） 15:9 56:10\n12:53 143:8,11 102:4,12 104:7,11\n106:18 107:6,8 111:8 7 address（地址/陈述） 11:16 argumentative（争辩性的）\n13 116:7 113:2 122:2,8,15,24 7 109:16 110:7 130:11 120:14 133:25\n15 7:10 117:6 123:2 129:11 134:19 addressing（处理/向……陈述） 44:10\n139:20 140:2 46:7 Arlequin 6:10\n16 109:3,8 116:7,11 35 109:5 8 advance（提前/预支） 59:14 asks（询问/要求） 63:15 68:22\n70:17 71:4,13 72:10,\n128:3 135:19 137:4 39 117:5,6 advice（意见/建议） 13:6,13 16:3, 19 73:9,22 74:5\n18 137:4 8 126:4,15 13 18:6 33:4 116:2\n810 6:13 agree（同意） 116:5 128:14 aspects（方面） 69:18\n2 9 Agreed（同意） 128:15 assertion（断言/主张） 66:19\n2 103:25 104:4,6,16 45 109:2,6 agreement（协议） 13:20 assessment（评估） 7:18\n107:14 111:25 45th 6:12 9:23 6:9 ahead（向前/继续） 22:3 71:25 assist（协助） 134:15\n115:11,12 125:23\n126:12,13 128:25 47 6:7 9:39 24:12 86:21 126:9 association（协会/关联） 6:15\n\nIndex（索引）:\nassume（假定/承担） 9:9 41:12 Baldiga 29:9,24 briefly（简短地） 112:22 50:18 51:25 107:8\n34:2,8,13,20 53:11\n64:3 111:15,17\n102:22 103:21\n139:10 140:17,18,24 bringing（带来/提起） 60:6 Chapter（章/《破产法》第……章） 6:18,21,24,\n141:2 107:19,23 108:3,9,12 broader（更广泛的） 28:4 25 8:11 21:3 22:8\nassumed（假定的） 41:8 109:4,13,17,21\n110:7,14 111:8 112:3 broken（损坏的/中断的） 87:4,9 characterizes（描述/定性） 79:6\n141:16 113:3 120:11,17,19, Brown 6:6 88:2 charge（指控/收费） 64:8\nassumption（假定） 111:19 23 121:2,10,14 95:25 check（核对/支票） 30:9 43:19\nattached（附随的/附上的） 143:13 124:18,23 125:15\n127:8 128:2 136:5 business（业务/商业） 85:18 55:9,11 57:12 77:12,\n22 78:10 79:21\nattaching（附加） 45:17 Baldiga's 38:4 C 82:11,13 83:13 87:21\n88:20 91:2,4,13\nattachment（附件） 55:16 bankruptcy（破产） 83:11 98:23 101:22 102:6,\nattended（出席） 9:23 95:4 95:25 call（通话/呼叫） 14:21,22 20\nattorney（律师） 8:10 66:16 based（基于） 7:19 12:18 called（称为/致电） 7:23 135:22 checking（核对） 57:23\nattorney-client（律师与委托人）\n14:15 17:23 32:8 13:4 51:5,10,23 66:6,\n8 87:14 112:24 138:16 140:20 checks（支票） 142:7\n66:6,8,22 95:16 117:25 119:13 124:2\n134:5 calling（致电/呼叫） 140:25 Cheryll 6:14\naudible（听得见的） 8:16,20 calls（通话） 14:25 140:25 Chinese（中文/中国人） 37:19 41:16\naudio（音频） 43:18,21,23 basis（依据/基础） 60:7 capacity（身份/能力） 77:25 78:19 45:24,25 52:21,23\n58:14 67:6 93:22\n102:17 103:9 132:25\n44:3,7,12,15 45:23 Bassett 6:20 56:6\n59:11,13,18,21 60:4, 79:4\n48:7,14,19,23,24 8,15 61:4 108:15 captured（记录/捕获） 46:8 53:8 133:23\n49:3,6,20 50:9,24\n51:18,21,23 55:10,14 115:11 capturing（记录） 43:23 44:2 choice（选择） 68:9\n57:8 58:4,5,7 62:6 beginning（开始） 38:12\n80:16 142:13 care（关心/注意） 79:5 chooses（选择） 72:13\n67:6,8 75:17,23\n93:20 119:7,13,22 carries（承载/带有） 107:18 chose（选择） 49:13 60:10\n120:5 121:14 124:11 behalf（代表） 6:18,21,24 7:4\n24:23 25:7 67:12 case（案件） 7:11 31:4 40:25 Christine 114:7,16\n134:6,15,21 136:12,\n17,18,23 68:6 77:24 81:4,12, 67:3 69:21 70:16\n71:3,12 72:6,17 73:2 citing（引用） 110:2\nauthority（权限/主管机关） 117:9 14,17,22 83:9 87:23\n92:13 100:10 117:9 77:5 78:15,16 79:21 Civil（民事） 21:4 22:9\nAvi 6:17 8:10 15:9 142:19,25 81:7,9 83:4 90:11,19\n99:17 Claiborne 35:23\n20:8 21:11 32:14 behest（指示/要求） 121:4 cases（案件） 72:9 77:2 37:10,14,21 38:7\n59:4 67:4 70:10 believed（相信/认为） 103:16 80:15 86:23 45:7,10,16 46:4,12\n52:16 53:14 116:2\n126:9\naware（知悉） 46:4 73:16 believes（相信/认为） 107:20 casual（随意的） 87:19 Claiborne's 35:25\n80:21 125:13 belongs（属于） 95:19 96:2 catch（捕捉/赶上） 91:18 claim（主张/债权/权利要求） 14:19\nBill 109:17 catching（捕捉） 45:10 claiming（主张/声称） 32:14\nbit（少量/一点） 30:11 34:10,25 46:12 clarify（澄清） 25:22 44:4\nbachelor（单身汉/学士） 93:6 block（街区/阻碍） 49:19 caught（被抓住/捕捉到） 45:7 46:4\n53:15 clarifying（澄清） 53:3 76:17\nback（回来/后退） 24:17 25:15 book（账簿/书籍） 99:8 caused（导致） 107:9 classic（典型的） 67:3\n31:4 37:19 38:4\n45:11,15 53:5 57:11, booth（展位/摊位） 142:6 certified（经证明的/合格的） 72:7,12 clear（明确的/清楚的） 30:15 35:6\n24 58:2 60:2,12,15 boss（老板） 81:4,14 89:14 chance（机会） 24:20 36:23 48:22 50:4\n51:2 102:8 107:5\n62:2 63:16 65:4,16,\n24 67:18 108:22 boss（老板） 81:12 chaos（混乱） 47:21 118:6 109:24 119:19\n115:23 121:20,22 bottom（底部） 107:18,19 chaotic（混乱的） 34:10,25 client（委托人/客户） 19:9 21:22\n125:5 128:23 129:2\n136:22 137:18 break（休会/休息） 10:5,14 21:18 35:13,20,21 36:4,14 63:12,13,14\n24:9 137:11 37:2,25 43:23 44:10,\n21 45:3 46:23 47:22 client's（委托人的/客户的） 13:11\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球服务 877-702-9586\n\n索引：assume..conducted\n索引：assum\n50:18 51:25 107:8 clients\nChapter 6:18,21,24, colleag\n25 8:11 21:3 22:8 colleac\ncharacterizes 79:6 college\ncharge 64:8\ncheck 30:9 43:19 | comme\n46:12 | |\n55:9,11 57:12 77:12,\n22 78:10 79:21 | commi | |\n82:11,13 83:13 87:21\n88:20 91:2,4,13 | commi\n88:10 | |\n98:23 101:22 102:6,\n| commi\n43:11 | |\nchecking 57:23 commi\nchecks 142:7 67:25\nCheryll 6:14 Comm\nChinese 37:19 41:16\n45:24,25 52:21,23 | compa\n38:22 | |\n58:14 67:6 93:22\n102:17 103:9 132:25\n133:23 | compe\n90:20, | |\nchoice 68:9 compe\n90:10 | |\nchooses 72:13 comple\nchose 49:13 60:10 comple\nChristine 114:7,16 58:24\nciting 110:2\nCivil 21:4 22:9 | compl\n60:13 | |\nClaiborne 35:23 compl\n37:10,14,21 38:7\n45:7,10,16 46:4,12 | compo\n112:25 | |\n52:16 53:14 116:2\nClaiborne's 35:25 | compr\n109:25 | |\nclaim 14:19 conce\nclaiming 32:14 concer\nclarify 25:22 44:4 concer\nclarifying 53:3 76:17 concer\nclassic 67:3\nclear 30:15 35:6 | conclu\n143:10 | |\n36:23 48:22 50:4 conclu\n51:2 102:8 107:5\n109:24 119:19 | conclu\n70:18 | |\nclient 19:9 21:22\n63:12,13,14 | 73:10.\ncondu | |\nclient's 13:11\nconference 78:4,5,\n6,21 79:18,19 80:16\n82:2 88:12,16,18 | 93:8,19 95:24 103:17\n113:6 | |\n89:10 108:13 141:11, considered 100:21\n13,18,20 142:5 consult 93:12.15\nconferences 79:8,\n10,14,16 84:16 88:15\n141:21 142:8.13 | consulted 42:10\n93:13 | |\nconfidential 6:1 7:1.\n14.16 8:1 9:1 10:1 | contact 15:3,5,6,17\n16:21,23 27:14\n142:12,17 | |\n11:1 12:1 13:1 14:1\n15:1 16:1 17:1 18:1\n19:1 20:1 21:1 22:1 | contacted 16:25\n17:4.16 | |\n23:1 24:1 25:1 26:1\n27:1 28:1 29:1 30:1\n31:1 32:1 33:1 34:1 | contempt 19:25\n20:21 21:4 22:9 23:7\n73:20 90:17 | |\n35:1 36:1 37:1 38:1\n39:1 40:1 41:1 42:1 | content 47:23 | |\n43:1 44:1 45:1 46:1\n47:1 48:1 49:1 50:1\n51:1 52:1 53:1 54:1 | context 75:6 96:25\n100:17 101:4.9.11.\n14,16 | |\n55:1 56:1 57:1 58:1\n59:1 60:1 61:1 62:1\n63:1 64:1 65:1 66:1 | continued 52:17\n104:11 140:2 | |\n67:1 68:1 69:1 70:1\n71:172:173:174:1 | continuous 99:18 | |\n75:1 76:1 77:1 78:1 contract 81:19\n79:1 80:1 81:1 82:1 contracted 82:19\n83:1 84:1 85:1 86:1\n87:1 88:1 89:1 90:1 | convenient\n10:6 | |\n91:1 92:1 93:1 94:1\n95:1 96:1 97:1 98:1 | conversant 87:12 | |\n99:1 100:1 101:1 conversation 45:12\n53:7 97:13 | |\n102:1 103:1 104:1\n105:1 106:1 107:1 | | |\n108:1 109:1 110:1 conversationally\n87:19 | |\n111:1 112:1 113:1\n114:1 115:1 116:1\n117:1 118:1 119:1 | conversations 13:5\n46:3 66:3 | |\n120:1 121:1 122:1\n123:1 124:1 125:1 | cooperating 56:7 | |\n126:1 127:1 128:1 copies 59:15 93:24\n129:1 130:1 131:1 94:6 99:22 103:24\n132:1 133:1 134:1\n135:1 136:1 137:1 | copy 21:2 43:3,4,6 | |\n138:1 139:1 140:1 55:14 57:15 58:15,\n141:1 142:1 143:1 16.17 104:10\nconfused 44:25 Corporate 21:5 22:9\nconfusing 34:10 correct 60:16 67:22.\n23 73:19,21 75:6,8 | |\nConnecticut 23:23 89:24 101:20,23\nconnection 20:21 102:15,23 103:3,6,\ndis- 107:9 East 6:12 EXAM\ndiscard 99:10 Edwin 6:10 140:14\ndiscarded 99:6,11, electronic 56:20 examii\n\n披露 71:22\n证据开示 60:19 56:20 57:7,11,15,16,18,21 65:13 122:11\n独立个别的 30:11\n讨论过的 95:7 97:4\n讨论 12:8 16:9 21:9 39:12 54:9 79:25 95:8,20 96:6,9 97:10 131:10 138:15,24 139:8 140:19\n争议 27:21 28:23,25 33:19 35:17 39:23 40:6 45:15,17 52:6 113:14,23 114:5\n多起争议 30:11 35:16 40:12,14,16,19,20,21 41:18 50:19 52:4 124:16\n不顾 41:2\n扰乱 30:10\n不满 107:9\n划分 85:6\n部门 85:6\n文件 21:6 42:6,11 62:9,12,15,18,25 68:2 112:7,13 114:7 119:16,23 120:2\n多份文件 41:22 56:7 94:15 104:3,19,23 105:5,6 138:2\n美元 64:16 91:19\n草稿 62:8,11 94:18\n依法正式 7:23\n电子邮件发送 43:7,8\n先前 126:5\n早期 78:2 84:15\n赚得的 84:7,19\n询问 8:5\n受询问 7:24\n示例 101:2\n例外 78:21\n交换 52:3,24 60:18\n交换过的 51:9\n专有地 69:11\n借口 113:3\n证物 20:25 21:7,25 22:10 25:15 42:5 58:20 60:18 68:6 103:25 104:2,4,5,6,10,16 107:14 111:25 114:13 115:11,12 121:20,21 123:7 125:5,10,23 126:12,13 128:23,24,25 129:5 130:6 132:6 135:10 136:10 139:14,18,24\n多项证物 7:13 59:2,15,21 143:12\n预期 83:21,24 91:3\n正在预期 90:23,25\n经验丰富的 72:12\n专家 60:7 68:21 69:4,7,15,20,24 70:15 71:2,7,11,21,22 72:5,10,16 73:7,17 74:3,16,24 75:5 133:5 134:2,10,18 136:8\n多位专家 93:14\n解释 58:10\n表达 109:13\n程度 116:17 119:11,21 120:2\n事实 9:18 41:15 45:14 53:11 54:18 68:20 69:3,7,10,11 100:11 119:13 139:7\n\n电子邮件 16:23 43:15 54:18,19 55:14,17 110:2\n多封电子邮件 137:21\n雇员 79:4\n结束 67:19\n从事 141:15\nEngland（英格兰） 93:4,7\nEnglish（英语） 37:16,19,20 38:21,23 41:16 46:2 53:5 58:12 86:5,12,16,17,22,24 87:4,10,12 93:21,23 102:13 103:12,18\n录入 108:13 117:9\n已录入 7:11\n整个 42:18\n有权 69:13,22,24 71:6,8\n实体 82:15 83:9 87:22\n录入项 21:3 22:8\nEric（埃里克） 7:3 11:22 16:4 55:19 56:6 59:11 60:8 66:10 68:5 71:16 115:9\n错误 35:22 37:8 52:16 53:15 103:17,22\n估计 47:13 80:4 84:11\n礼仪 41:3 53:22\n事件 81:5,6 82:21 88:17 140:21\n多起事件 85:7,8\n确切的 27:3 30:14 59:14\n未能\n陷入\n熟悉的\n家族\n过错\n联邦\n感觉\n同事\n领域\n五十\n提交 / 卷宗 54:16 70:3 78:11,16 67:17 84:2 85:18 87:23 136:1\n已提交\n最终的\n财务的\n发现 / 认定 33:24 111:2 112:2 114:3\n调查认定\n良好 / 罚款 8:9 9:15 10:3 15:15 19:22 33:14,16 61:19\n完成\n已完成\nFiori（菲奥里）\n律所 / 公司 18:13 63:22 74:9\n爆发\n翻转\n发言权 / 楼层\n遵循 18 17\nForest（福里斯特）\n形式 / 表格\n格式\n形成\n转发 71:12\n\nPaul Hastings*GJS*002162\nUSAO-REL 001597030\n\n25 117:3,12,17,24 118:4,5,8,15,19 119:14,24 120:6,7 121:16 122:9,10,15,20 123:4,15,19 124:25 128:12,18,19 129:23 130:3,16 133:15 136:5 140:7,8 143:2\n\n正确地 127:3 129:25 130:3,24 131:15,17,24 136:10\n\n相符 49:3\n\n律师 6:15 8:3 11:18 24:20 25:17 26:15,19,23 27:18 28:24 29:10 31:20,21,23 33:5 34:15 40:22 43:9 63:23 66:25 74:23 86:13 87:3,9 94:25 96:14 99:21,25 100:7 112:6 130:12 132:11 137:22 142:16\n\n律师的 15:23 16:2,18 17:12 18:10 33:4 63:22 83:14 97:2\n\n多位律师 95:5\n\n几个 65:19 138:7\n\n法院 6:14 7:6 8:16 10:21 20:19 23:23 30:9 41:5 46:2 70:21 72:6,7,9,10,12,13,21 73:4,12,14 75:5 76:7,13,23 77:23 78:11,15,16 79:21 80:15 83:13 86:23 89:5 90:18,19 96:17 102:7,9 113:16,19 116:14 117:15 132:13 142:21\n\n法院的 59:24,25 60:13,17\n\n法庭 97:16\n\n各法院 77:3\n\n涵盖 54:16,20 114:6,15\n\n已涵盖 67:2,4\n\n创建 93:25 119:24\n\n正在创建 62:14\n\n债权人 104:7,11\n\n关键的 31:14\n\n交叉引用 120:3\n\n交叉质询 134:21 138:11\n\n抢话 18:2 49:24 61:14\n\n当前 26:23\n\nD\n\nD.C.（华盛顿特区） 78:7\n\nDaniel（丹尼尔） 89:8\n\n日期 14:3 27:4 36:7 37:4 47:5 88:22 92:13 136:20\n\n日期为 56:23\n\nDawn（道恩） 39:10 40:3,7 139:20 140:3\n\n日 / 天 34:10,24 49:10 55:6 64:8,15,16,23 91:22,25 92:4 99:14 107:12 116:14 136:21\n\n当天的 110:23\n\n多日 / 天数 62:21 65:19,20 75:12 78:2 84:15 136:21\n\n截止期限 60:17\n\n债务人 21:4 22:8,13 26:8,15,19 121:24 129:11,15 130:2 132:11\n\n债务人的 21:2 22:7 26:6,22 42:6 121:21 130:12 132:6,8\n\nDecade（十载公司） 39:9 40:3,7 46:15 52:9,15 53:15,16 95:9 96:20 97:4,11,15,19 98:8 129:13,17 130:2,20 132:23 133:22 135:22\n\nDecade？ 132:10\n\n决定 9:12 34:16\n\n决定 / 裁决 13:10,11 30:18 31:6 113:7,16\n\n多项决定 113:21\n\n被视为 69:19\n\n诽谤 78:15 79:21 81:7 83:4\n\n多项缺陷 22:15 23:8 25:18 26:3,9,16,20,24 27:20 28:15 127:7\n\n缺陷 27:25 28:6 34:7 122:23 123:4,15 124:4 125:12\n\n学位 / 程度 93:6\n\n离职 / 离开 97:16\n\n取决于 91:21\n\n作证 / 接受取证 8:11 23:11 90:19\n\n宣誓证言 / 作证记录 6:4,6 7:4,12,18 8:24 15:13 31:19 32:25 38:12 41:23 57:5 71:23 110:16 136:24 142:21 143:7,10\n\n多份宣誓证言 9:23 102:7\n\n来源于 46:25\n\n衍生 47:22\n\n描述 45:18 47:16 93:18\n\n正在描述 37:13\n\n指定的 7:13,17\n\n指定 7:12\n\nDespins（德斯平斯） 6:25 95:19 96:2\n\n直接询问 8:5 107:17\n\n指示 / 方向 66:25\n\n指示 / 指引 90:2\n\n索引：conference 至 directions\n\n证据基础 21:17 89:17 139:2\n\nFrancis（弗朗西斯） 43:9,11,13,15,17,21 47:24 48:14 49:13 50:7 54:12 55:3,7,8,15 57:8,10,22,25 62:5,17,20,25 63:3,4,11,13,17 64:4 65:4,10,24 66:4,13,16 67:25 74:16 75:11 76:3 80:16,19,22 84:3 85:21,24,25 88:21 94:16 106:10 107:2 119:5,17,24 120:3 121:10 122:7,12,21 123:24 129:23 136:19 137:22 142:14\n\nFrancis 的 47:18 54:5\n\n星期五 60:25 61:2\n\n前面 / 面前 21:25 42:5 104:17 114:6,15\n\n完整的 22:11 99:9\n\nG\n\n衡量 47:3\n\n一般的 / 总 107:11 142:16\n\n给予 / 提供 11:7 16:3,5,13 19:24 23:22,23 24:4,9 48:3 50:10 55:24 60:24 63:16 76:25 84:6 90:2,11,18 101:2,4 103:8 105:11 112:18\n\n给予 / 做出 18:6 20:18\n\nGolden（金 / 黄金） 81:18,19,21 82:5,14,16,20,21,25 83:6,7,10 87:22,25 107:21 117:10 126:19,21,25 141:4,6 142:7,16\n\n良好 6:2 8:8,9 21:16 25:9,12 84:17\n\n公司治理 21:5 22:10\n\n索引：dis- 至 Great\n\nTSG Reporting - Worldwide（TSG 全球法庭速记公司）\n\n877-702-9580\n索引：理由。 .\n\ngrounds 32:7 102:9,12 107:6 110:9,17 111:8 113:3 114:14 121:24 122:9,15 123:3 124:3 142:21\nguess 61:8 102:2\nguys 56:5 59:25 60:10 61:13\nhalf 61:12 91:25 92:4\nhand 33:25 61:7 103:24 114:2\nhanded 34:15,18,19 40:22 114:3 120:9,18\nhanding 28:24 30:12 56:19 111:17 113:12 120:11,17\nHang 23:16,18\nhappen 30:2 53:9 78:6,7,8 137:10\nhappened 31:7 35:2 48:16 51:8,11 52:20 53:9 99:5 111:12,22\nhappening 28:21 45:12,22 51:25 52:3 53:18\nhard 10:21 35:3 47:2 49:22 76:24 84:13\nHastings 6:17,21,23\nhead 8:15 51:3 141:6\nheadquartered 6:12\nhear 43:13 102:17 120:6 121:14 124:3,13,22\nheard 27:24 28:6,16 49:20 51:3,4 86:24 96:23 97:4 119:7,21 126:5,9,13 127:17,23 135:5,6\nhearing 19:25 20:17 22:13 23:7,13 24:23 26:7 27:19 29:7 36:5,6,8,9 42:14,17 47:5 50:13 56:9 60:6,22 73:8,14,18 74:4,10,19 75:6,18,23 76:2 77:12 83:13 91:5,13 94:22 95:2 96:20,21 97:5,8,17 99:3,12 100:2,12,13 101:17\nhearing's 23:20\nhearings 40:12,17 41:19 42:3 102:4 106:18\nheld 6:6 12:9 16:10 21:9 39:13 54:10 80:2 95:21 131:11\nhelpful 31:17 130:7\nHenzy 7:3,8 9:12,17 10:25 11:4,22,25 12:14,16,24 13:3,11,15,18,22,24 14:9,12,14,18,21,22,24 15:3,5,6,7,9,15,17,18,25 16:7,12,15,21 17:5,8,23 18:7,20 19:5,19,21 20:3,6 21:11,15,21 22:3,22,24 24:10 25:11 32:2,5,8,11,18,23 33:8,11,16 44:18,24 49:7,15,22,25 55:21,24 56:10,13,19,25 57:19 58:18 59:4,8,17,20,23 60:5,9 61:8,19 64:12 66:5,13,21 68:3,10,13,22 69:6,9,18 70:4,7,10,17 71:4,9,13,17,24 72:18,24 73:9,22 74:3,5,12,20 75:7 78:23 79:3,7 86:18 87:15 89:16 92:8 95:10,15 96:3 97:21 104:13 105:7,14 106:19 108:16 115:8,12 118:24 120:13 133:7,25 134:13 135:4,6 138:6,12 139:3,11,13,17 140:10\nHenzy's 12:4,6 17:2,4,15,17,18 18:13 19:4,9,13 27:13 67:21 74:9\nhighest 92:22\nhighly 6:1 7:1,14,16 8:1 9:1 10:1 11:1 12:1 13:1 14:1 15:1 16:1 17:1 18:1 19:1 20:1 21:1 22:1 23:1 24:1 25:1 26:1 27:1 28:1 29:1 30:1 31:1 32:1 33:1 34:1 35:1 36:1 37:1 38:1 39:1 40:1 41:1 42:1 43:1 44:1 45:1 46:1 47:1 48:1 49:1 50:1 51:1 52:1 53:1 54:1 55:1 56:1 57:1 58:1 59:1 60:1 61:1 62:1 63:1 64:1 65:1 66:1 67:1 68:1 69:1 70:1 71:1 72:1 73:1 74:1 75:1 76:1 77:1 78:1 79:1 80:1 81:1 82:1 83:1 84:1 85:1 86:1 87:1 88:1 89:1 90:1 91:1 92:1 93:1 94:1 95:1 96:1 97:1 98:1 99:1 100:1 101:1 102:1 103:1 104:1 105:1 106:1 107:1 108:1 109:1 110:1 111:1 112:1 113:1 114:1 115:1 116:1 117:1 118:1 119:1 120:1 121:1 122:1 123:1 124:1 125:1 126:1 127:1 128:1 129:1 130:1 131:1 132:1 133:1 134:1 135:1 136:1 137:1 138:1 139:1 140:1 141:1 142:1 143:1\nHills 11:17\nhired 80:5,6,7 81:3,5,11\nHo 6:5,18 66:14 104:8,12\nhold 31:11 33:20 66:23 108:9 110:8\nHolding 21:3 22:8\nHoldings 135:22\nhome 94:3,4\nhoping 29:13\nhour 61:12\nhourly 91:23\nhours 91:24\nidea 12:7,12 19:3 32:12 63:10 80:20 85:22 87:13\nidentification 21:8 104:5\nidentify 75:4\nidentities 59:18\nimmediately 55:20 97:7\nimpact 69:17\nimply 109:24\nimportantly 71:20\nimproper 15:13 58:25\ninclude 42:11 45:20\nincluded 45:18 119:8,9,23\nincluding 28:8 124:19\nincorrectly 46:15\nIndependent 48:3 54:6\nindicating 113:25 131:4 133:16 134:4\nindistinguishable 18:2 49:24 61:14\ninformal 12:8 16:9 21:9 39:12 54:9 79:25 95:20 131:10\ninformation 42:10\ninitially 14:13,22 17:16\ninstance 34:6 108:2,11 109:20 125:14\ninstances 109:13\nInstruct 15:10,19 17:10 32:5 66:7 68:4 95:17\ninstructed 18:7\ninstructing 12:22,23,24 17:24 32:15\ninstruction 15:23 16:2,5,18 17:13 18:11\ninstructs 9:17\nintend 59:3 73:8\nintended 59:15\nintention 19:24 20:6,11,12\ninterest 126:24 135:21\ninterested 105:9\ninternal 62:11\ninterpose 9:13\ninterpret 37:17 53:12 86:3,13,22 88:12,16,17 89:19 98:19\ninterpretation 35:24 36:3 45:8 72:11 132:8\nInterpreted 37:16,19 41:8 45:25 46:6 53:5 101:13\ninterpreter 22:14,19 24:3 26:8,11 27:23 29:15 35:22 37:15 39:2,4 40:25 41:2,5 45:6,23 52:21,25 64:15 66:24 67:7 72:9,12 76:7,12,22 77:13,16,23 78:4,10,14 81:13,25 82:3 83:14 85:17 88:20 90:5 91:2,5,13 98:23 101:22 102:10,20 107:20,23 110:9,12 111:5 112:9 113:22 115:5,15,19,24 116:9 117:24 121:25 126:6 132:7 133:24 134:12 141:15 142:20\ninterpreter's 39:17 45:9 53:21 111:16\ninterpreter/translator 72:8\nIndex: interpreters.\n\n.meeting（会议）\ninterpreters（口译员） 79:15 101:24 102:6\ninterpreting（口译） 27:22, 23 35:22 37:21 38:4 39:4, 18 41:2 50:20 53:20 79:15, 18, 22 85:21 87:8 107:10 140:21\ninterrupt（打断） 30:10\ninterrupting（打断中） 116:3\ninterruptions（打断/干扰） 30:6\nintroduce（引入/介绍） 6:16 68:5\ninvoice（发票） 83:24 84:5 92:14\ninvolved（卷入/涉及） 19:17 83:5 94:23 101:16\ninvolves（涉及） 13:12\nissue（争议焦点/问题/签发） 19:18, 20 35:25 40:24 50:19 118:14\nissues（争议焦点/问题） 40:24 50:19 118:14\nJim（吉姆） 60:12, 15\njob（工作） 63:15, 16 67:5, 10, 16 88:7, 11, 13 89:14 138:16 141:2, 10 142:6, 11\nJudge（法官） 14:19 61:15\njudge's（法官的） 59:10\nJuno（朱诺） 11:17\nkerfuffle（混乱/争吵） 51:25\nKerr（克尔） 6:14\nkind（种类/某种程度） 45:21 49:19, 22 52:24 53:7 79:15 87:11 101:3\nKingdom（王国/联合王国） 96:10, 12\nknew（知道/知晓） 60:21 108:3\nknowledge（知情/知识） 137:2 138:23\nKrasner（克拉斯纳） 89:2, 3\nKwok（Ho Wan Kwok，郭文贵） 6:5, 19 19:10 24:24 25:7, 17 26:2 29:10 37:19 45:24 66:14, 21, 25 74:23 77:9, 13, 16, 23, 24 78:10, 14, 19 79:11, 12 80:5, 6, 22 81:4, 9, 14, 15, 17, 23 82:5, 15, 24 83:5, 9 84:8, 20 85:13, 17, 20, 23 86:11, 24 87:23 88:5, 7, 10, 20 89:6, 14, 22 90:2 92:12 94:25 95:4 100:6, 10 103:8 104:8, 12 126:19, 24 135:21 137:23 138:15, 24 139:8 140:19, 23 141:9 142:19, 22, 23 143:2\nKwok's（郭文贵的） 19:12 27:18 80:9, 11, 14, 18 81:11, 25 88:12, 13 90:5 91:4 95:18, 23 99:3, 21, 25 103:12, 17 141:6, 12, 14, 19, 22 142:2\nlabeled（贴标签/标为） 6:3\nlack（缺乏） 89:16\nlate（迟/晚期） 89:6\nlawsuit（诉讼） 96:9, 12, 16\nlawyer（律师） 17:18 68:16\nlay（非专业的/提出/奠定） 21:17 101:4\nlead（引导/主导/线索） 140:22\nleading（主要的/诱导性的） 139:9 140:9\nleaving（离开/留下） 97:17\nlegal（法律的/合法的） 6:11 13:6, 12 68:22 70:17 71:4, 13 72:19 73:9, 22 74:5 87:6, 7 129:16, 17 132:9, 22 133:22 134:9 142:14\nlegally（在法律上/合法地） 132:10\nlengthy（冗长的） 116:12\nlight（光线/根据/阐明） 56:9\nlimit（限制） 8:23\nLimited（有限公司） 135:22\nlines（行/线路/台词） 43:25 46:24, 25 47:11, 22 130:11 131:24, 25 132:19 134:19 135:12, 13 137:8, 10\nlist（名单/清单/列出） 60:18\nlisten（听） 43:18 55:10 57:12 67:16 75:22\nlistened（听了） 48:15, 23, 24 50:17, 24 51:5, 7 75:17 93:20 112:16 120:5 121:13 136:16\nlistening（正在听/倾听） 48:6 50:15 58:6 119:13 124:11\nlitigation（诉讼） 96:7\nLLP（有限责任合伙） 6:7\nlong（长的/长久） 31:25 32:3, 9 46:20, 22, 23 47:3 64:21 65:4, 16 98:15 138:17\nlooked（看/查看） 40:5 112:12 122:8 123:21 125:16 129:23\nlot（许多/大量） 46:8 85:16 107:8\nloud（大声的/响亮的） 28:23 31:16 33:22 34:5 40:21 53:24\nLuc（卢克） 6:25\nLuft（Luft，卢夫特） 6:17 7:15 8:6, 10 11:5, 6, 24 12:13, 21 13:2, 6, 8, 14, 16, 19, 23 14:7, 20 15:2, 8, 12, 16, 21 16:4, 13, 16 17:3, 7, 11, 21 18:3, 9 19:2, 8, 16, 22, 23 20:10, 25 21:13, 16, 24 22:5 23:5 24:8, 11, 18 25:13, 23 27:5, 10, 17 28:13, 14 29:2 30:7 32:3, 7, 9, 17, 20, 24 33:2, 10, 14 34:3 35:5 36:19 39:6, 20 43:2 44:20 45:2 47:4 48:20 49:11, 21, 23 50:5 54:2, 11, 23 55:18, 23 56:18 57:2, 6, 17, 20 58:21, 22, 24 59:6, 12 61:2, 5, 15, 20 62:3 63:7, 20 64:17 65:2, 9, 21 66:8, 15, 18 67:9, 20 68:5, 12, 18 69:2, 6, 13, 21 70:6, 9, 12, 19 71:6, 10, 16, 20 72:4, 23 73:15 74:2, 8, 15, 22 75:3, 9, 21 76:6, 11 77:7, 14 79:2, 5, 9 80:3 82:23 84:18 86:10, 20 87:20 88:3 89:12, 13, 20 90:8 92:11, 20, 23, 24 94:5, 13 95:12, 18, 23 96:5, 19 98:2, 12 99:20 101:6 103:7 104:6, 14 105:9, 19 106:5, 23 108:7, 23 109:11 110:6 111:13 112:11 114:12 115:2, 9, 14 118:12 119:3 120:16 121:19 123:12 125:4, 7, 9, 22 126:2, 11, 14 127:20 128:4, 22 129:7 130:5, 14 131:13 132:5, 18 133:9 134:7, 16, 24 135:5, 7, 10, 18 136:15 137:11, 19 138:9, 14 139:2, 9 140:9, 12, 15 143:4\nmade（作出/制定） 7:19 9:18 29:5 30:5, 17 31:6 35:22 36:3 41:12 46:18 58:7 62:8 68:8 72:2 97:18 103:16 113:6, 16, 21 116:24 119:14 122:14, 18 123:3 125:14, 19\nmailed（邮寄） 82:10\nmain（主要） 47:21\nmajor（主要/重大） 47:20 52:18\nmajority（多数） 31:8, 9\nmake（作出/使得） 7:8 20:8 28:4 29:10 32:20 34:13, 14, 17, 21 49:16, 25 62:14 85:5 98:15 102:22 103:2, 20 120:6, 23 121:2, 6, 14, 17 124:4, 16 142:25\nmakes（使得/作出） 51:21 141:7\nmaking（作出/进行中） 29:17, 21 30:20 46:12 62:18 111:8 112:3 113:7 116:21, 23 120:4 121:11 123:13, 18, 22, 25 124:18\nManning（曼宁） 61:15\nMarch（三月） 36:5 55:4 104:7 112:20\nmark（标记/做记号） 20:25 103:25 104:9\nmarked（标记为证据/标出） 21:6 22:10 104:3, 16\nmaterial（实质性的/材料/资料） 7:13, 16 22:14 23:8 25:18 26:3, 9, 16, 20, 23 27:20, 24 28:6, 15, 19, 20 31:16 33:21 34:2, 7 40:24 41:25 97:18 121:25 122:23 123:3, 14 124:4 125:12, 18 133:11\nmatter（事项/事件/问题） 6:5 12:2 68:21 69:8 93:9, 16, 19 142:14\nmatters（事项/事件） 87:6, 8, 19 95:6\nMax（马克斯） 88:25 89:3\nmeaning（含义/意指） 83:3, 4\nmeans（意味着/手段） 15:4 20:11 123:23\nmeant（意思是/意味着） 76:15\nMechanically（机械地） 67:15\nmedia（媒体） 6:3\nmeet（会面/满足） 31:21, 22 94:25 141:18, 22, 23\nmeeting（会议） 22:16 23:9 25:19 26:10, 17, 18, 25 28:8, 22 36:11 47:2\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球 877-702\n\n机密\n机密\n\n877-702-9580\n\n49:19 95:13 97:2 99:15 104:7,11 105:18 107:8 122:3, 24 129:11 139:20 140:2\n\nmeetings（会议） 35:7 85:18 95:4,6\n\nMelissa（梅丽莎） 43:9 66:13\n\nmember（成员） 19:12\n\nmembers（成员） 90:4\n\nmemory（记忆） 23:19,25 48:18,22 49:2,18 51:2 96:14\n\nmemory's（记忆的） 106:17\n\nmention（提及） 8:15\n\nmentioned（提及） 36:20,21 38:11 62:4 78:22 91:17 96:17 112:23\n\nmentions（提及） 112:9\n\nMenye 126:5\n\nmet（会面） 32:3,9 78:8 86:13 141:24 142:4\n\nmethodology（方法论） 93:18\n\nmiddle（中间） 22:2 109:3 115:3,9 120:12\n\nMiles（迈尔斯） 19:9\n\nmind（介意/心智） 25:21 33:5 39:24\n\nmine（我的） 131:8\n\nminor（次要的） 52:18\n\nminute（分钟） 113:13\n\nmis-（误-） 44:15\n\nmischaracterize（曲解） 16:14\n\nmisinterpretation（曲解/误读） 45:9\n\nmissed（错过/遗漏） 112:14\n\nmisstatements（不实陈述） 97:18\n\nmistake（错误） 45:10 46:5 116:24 125:18\n\nmistakes（错误） 52:18 98:7 122:14,18\n\nmistranslated（翻译错误） 34:20 117:17 127:11\n\nmistranslating（正在翻译错误） 102:22 103:2,21\n\nmistranslation（翻译错误） 44:15 97:14 108:9\n\nmistranslations（多处翻译错误） 100:4,8,11\n\nMitchell（米切尔） 89:4\n\nmoment（时刻） 35:9,10,13,15,20,21 36:4,12,14 37:2,13 38:2 43:23,24 44:10,21 45:3,5,17 46:23 47:23 48:4,16 49:10 50:18 51:4,13 52:12,14,16,17\n\nmoments（时刻） 35:11,18\n\nmoney（金钱） 82:9 84:7\n\nmonth（月份） 42:23 65:11\n\nmorning（早晨） 6:2 8:8,9\n\nmotion（动议） 20:21 21:2 22:7,13 23:7 26:7\n\nmotions（多项动议） 124:14\n\nMove（提请/动议） 95:15\n\nmoving（移动/提请） 13:21\n\nmuddled（混乱的） 96:15\n\nmultiple（多个） 115:4\n\nN\n\n40:2,6 46:5,14 126:4\n\nnames（名字） 38:25 39:7\n\nnaturally（自然地） 101:14\n\nnegative（负面的） 25:5\n\nNick（尼克） 6:20 59:25\n\nnonlegal（非法律的） 142:24\n\nnoon（中午） 58:20 61:4\n\nneeded（需要） 53:4 142:11 124:20 73:20 90:17 121:24 96:15 111:23 52:2 107:8 92:9,12,17 77:5,6\n\nnote（注意/笔记） 28:24 29:9 54:16,20 56:19\n\nnotes（笔记） 29:22 30:12,22 31:7,8 33:18 40:22 62:14 98:20,24 99:2,5,11,22 100:3 113:4,13 114:2,4 120:18\n\nnoticed（注意到/发出通知） 35:23 11,17\n\nNovember（十一月） 6:8\n\nNowadays（现今） 84:17\n\nnumber（号码/数量） 28:21 35:2,25 38:3,7 40:14,18 45:11 53:18 77:3 84:16 85:9\n\nNY（纽约州） 11:17\n\noath（誓词） 11:11 102:11\n\nO\n\nobject（反对） 12:17 44:18 66:5 78:23 86:18\n\nobjected（已提出反对） 18:7\n\nobjection（反对） 9:13,14,19 12:18 14:14,15 15:7,14,19 17:5,6,9,23 19:5,19 20:3 21:2 22:7,22,24 32:2 34:13,15,17,18,21 42:6 49:7 50:2 68:3,22 70:17 71:4,13 72:2,18 73:9,22 74:5,12,20 75:7 87:15 89:16 95:10,15,16 97:21 106:19 116:8,12 118:14,18 119:12,14 120:4,6,13,23 121:3,6,11,15,21 123:3,14,19,22 124:4,15,16,18,22 125:14 127:5,8 128:10 133:7,25 134:13 136:2,5 139:2,9\n\n索引：meetings .. pause\n\nobjections（多项反对） 20:8 33:25 34:15,18,20 116:17,21,23 124:2\n\nobligated（有义务的） 56:8\n\nobservations（观察） 87:14\n\nobstructing（阻碍） 32:24\n\nnotepad（记事本） 99:17\n\noffer（提议/提出） 17:22 23:6 71:3 72:6,16 73:8,17 74:3,10,16,24 75:5 133:21 134:2,18 136:8\n\noffered（提出） 18:5 122:21 123:2,7 124:2,23 125:11,17\n\noffering（正在提出） 23:12 70:15 71:15 133:4 134:10\n\noffice（办公室） 80:8,9,12 140:24 141:2,4,16,19,22 142:2,5\n\nofficial（官方的/官员） 22:15 23:8 26:9,16,24 27:22,25 28:10 35:21 113:22 115:24 122:2,24 129:10,15 133:24 134:12\n\nonce-over（粗略审视） 112:19\n\nopinion（意见） 44:16 71:14 131:25 133:5,21 134:3,11,18 135:13 136:8\n\nopinions（意见） 69:25 70:3 71:2,11,22 72:5 73:7,17 74:4,10,17,24 75:5 93:15 94:8\n\nopportunity（机会） 105:12\n\nopposed（反对） 112:3 113:6\n\noral（口头的） 113:12 114:5 124:15,16\n\norder（裁定/命令/顺序） 7:11 21:3,5 22:8,10 59:24,25 60:13,17\n\nowed（欠款） 92:12,17\n\nowned（拥有） 126:24\n\nowner（所有者） 129:16,18 132:9,22 133:22 134:9\n\nowner.'（所有者。） 132:10\n\nowners（所有者） 126:19,21 32:21 111:9 112:3 129:13 130:2,20\n\nP\n\np.m.（下午） 108:3,12 109:13,21 110:14 111:17 120:9,13 137:13,15,16,17 143:8,11\n\npad（写字板） 99:9\n\npages（页码） 47:14,17 106:7 107:2 116:20 131:22\n\npaid（已支付） 63:21,25 64:18 67:18 81:16 82:4,16,21 83:7,8,14,15 91:3,19\n\nparagraph（段落） 7:10 22:20 130:17\n\npart（部分） 44:12 47:19 55:5,6 93:21 112:8 118:6 129:22\n\nparts（部分） 50:6 58:13\n\nparty（当事方） 67:3 79:14 81:9 141:14\n\npass（通过） 103:2,21\n\npassed（通过/传递） 29:9 108:3 109:13,21 110:14\n\npassing（传递） 29:21 30:22 108:11 113:3\n\npast（过去的） 27:11 76:18,23 79:13\n\nPaul（保罗） 6:17,20,23\n\npause（暂停） 11:23 13:25 14:4 16:24 17:20 18:24 19:15 22:4,21 25:20 27:2,7,16 28:17 30:3 34:22 36:15 38:24 42:22 46:21 48:17 52:13 54:22 56:12,17 63:6,18 64:24 65:6,18 67:13 73:24 74:14 75:2,20 76:5,10 77:4,10 82:18 84:12 86:7 87:17,24 90:7 92:19 96:13 97:20 98:11,16\n\nTSG Reporting - 全球\n\n877-702-9580\n\nord\n索引：pay . recor\n\n99:13 100:24 103:4 105:15,21,24 106:2 108:5 109:9 110:5 111:10 112:5 114:24 118:9,21 119:2 121:18 123:10 125:3,8,21,24 127:15,19,21,23 128:21 129:6 130:4,13 132:4,17 134:23 135:9,17 136:11,14 139:12,16\n\npay（支付） 18:13,19,23 63:17 64:6 81:22 82:5,25 83:25 84:3\n\npaying（正在支付） 12:4,6 18:16 19:3,10,13 83:20,22\n\npending（未决的） 10:13 21:22,23\n\npeople（人员） 56:14 80:21 86:11,15 108:13 142:4\n\npercent（百分比） 23:4 70:6\n\nperfectly（完全地/完美地） 128:18\n\nperforming（履行/执行） 93:12\n\nPeriodically（定期地） 9:12\n\nperiods（期间） 29:20\n\nperson（人员） 46:14 114:20 138:3,8,14 143:5\n\npersonally（亲自） 90:3\n\nphone（电话） 16:21 137:12\n\nphysical（物理的/身体的） 128:6\n\npick（选择/拿起） 37:10,15,21\n\npicked（挑选/拿取） 52:16\n\npicking（挑选/拿取） 38:7\n\nplace（地点/放置） 27:21 141:20\n\nplan（计划） 75:5 134:18 136:8\n\nplanning（规划） 23:6 73:17 133:21\n\nplans（计划） 24:2\n\nplay（播放/发挥作用） 136:23\n\npleading（诉状） 26:7\n\nPodolski（波多尔斯基） 89:8\n\npoint（要点/指出） 28:22 30:4,13,17,24 31:6 34:25 35:11 41:4,17 45:14,16 53:10,14,23 105:7\n\nportion（部分） 44:10,14 46:11,20 50:11,16,21 54:4,13,25 55:9 57:23 62:21 65:11 75:10 76:3 98:16,17 104:24 105:5,8,17,20 113:2 122:7 127:11 128:17 129:23 136:18\n\nportions（多处部分） 75:12,14,23 76:2 104:22 106:10,13\n\nposition（立场/职位） 34:14\n\npotentially（潜在地） 85:4\n\npractice（执业/惯例） 61:16\n\npreparation（准备） 94:23 95:2 136:24\n\nprepare（准备） 31:18 41:23 73:2\n\nprepared（准备好的） 71:2 72:6,16 114:7,16 123:24\n\npretty（相当） 91:14\n\nprevious（先前的） 33:6\n\npreviously（此前） 124:20\n\nprimarily（主要地） 69:10\n\nprior（在先的） 27:15 42:8 43:25 46:24 50:6 54:13 94:22 96:20 97:4 129:14 130:25 131:2\n\nprivate（私人的） 29:15 111:5 112:9 113:22 115:4,15,19 117:24\n\nprivilege（特权/保密特权） 12:18 13:2 14:16 15:7 17:9,24 32:2,8,14,21 66:6,9,19,21,22 67:2,4 68:3 69:22 95:16,18,23 128:25\n\nprivileged（受保密特权保护的） 32:4,10 68:16\n\nproblem（问题） 46:7 53:21 102:21,25 117:14\n\nproceed（继续进行） 8:3 9:19\n\nproceeding（程序/诉讼程序） 95:25\n\nproceedings（程序） 77:23 78:11\n\nproduce（出示/提供） 56:8,20 57:4 67:17\n\nproduced（已出示/已提供） 55:20 57:5 119:17\n\nproducing（正在出示） 59:2\n\nproduct（成果/工作成果） 58:2,3 62:5 65:5,17,25 67:18 93:23,24 94:20\n\nproduction（文件出示/证据开示） 55:21,25 56:3 59:9\n\nprofessional（专业的） 53:22 102:11 134:3\n\nproper（适当的） 32:22 132:7 135:13\n\nproperly（适当地） 7:17 132:25 133:3,6,13,23 134:4,12\n\nprotective（保护性的） 7:11\n\nprovide（提供） 59:22 133:14\n\nprovided（已提供） 94:15 101:13 133:17 137:25\n\nproviding（正在提供） 56:7\n\npublic（公开的/公众） 92:10\n\npull（调取/拉出） 121:20\n\npurported（所谓的） 123:14\n\npurportedly（据称） 123:16\n\npurpose（目的） 30:9 59:14 62:17\n\nPursuant（根据） 7:10\n\npursue（追究/继续进行） 32:18,19\n\nput（放置/提出） 21:24 22:13 26:8 41:8 53:16,17 57:17 59:3 68:6 69:6,9,14 71:7,11 121:24 124:15\n\nputting（放置/提出） 71:21\n\npuzzling（令人费解的） 113:11\n\nQ\n\nquestion（问题） 9:2,5,9,18,19 10:13 12:19 15:8 20:14,16 21:12,19,21,23 22:2 26:14 33:13 36:18 37:18 39:3,16 46:18 49:15,17 53:2,3 65:7 68:11,15 70:4,22 71:9,19,25 72:3 73:13 91:9 96:3 97:14 98:14,15,16 100:18,23 102:12,21 103:2 112:10 117:8,12,15,23 118:24 119:15 120:14 127:18,24 129:12,14,16,25 132:9,15,24 133:10,22 135:21 136:3,9 137:4\n\nquestion's（问题的） 98:18\n\nquestioner（提问者） 98:20\n\nquestioning（质询/讯问） 45:11 46:25 69:17 106:18\n\nquestions（问题） 9:13 38:5 52:22 70:25 72:10,14,22,25 97:15 101:12,13,15 137:25\n\nquick（快速的） 21:19 112:18\n\nquickly（迅速地） 10:8\n\nquoting（引用） 130:12\n\nR\n\nraise（提出） 31:16 34:5 45:14 53:10 113:12,13 114:5 116:8 117:11\n\nraised（已提出） 35:16,17 39:16 40:20 45:17 50:19 53:23 113:23 117:23\n\nraising（正在提出） 27:21 35:25 111:16 118:14\n\nranging（范围涉及） 77:20\n\nrate（费率） 64:16 91:23,25 92:4,5\n\nre-listening（重新聆听） 124:3\n\nreach（达成/触及） 14:12\n\nreached（已达成） 93:14\n\nread（阅读/宣读） 42:6,13,16,18,19 43:5 47:24 48:12 50:17,21 51:3,4,6,7,19 127:3 128:17\n\nreading（正在阅读/宣读） 48:7 50:15\n\nreal（真实的） 137:11\n\nrealtime（实时） 135:8\n\nreason（理由） 9:4 10:4 11:7 116:23 124:19 127:10 128:16\n\nrecall（回忆起） 24:5 34:12,19 36:21 37:4,12,23,25 38:13,16 39:23 40:10 47:23 49:4,5 52:11,19 54:3 77:15,19 95:5,8 96:6,18,25 97:6 98:5,10 99:18 102:5 106:17 110:21 120:17,18 121:16 122:19 131:9,14,16 132:24\n\nreceive（收到） 90:11\n\nreceived（已收到） 43:10 87:21\n\nreceiving（正在接收） 65:13\n\nrecent（近期的） 76:21\n\nrecently（最近） 88:2\n\nrecess（休庭） 24:14 61:23 108:19 137:15\n\nrecollection（记忆/回忆） 14:8 27:6 35:6,19 36:23 40:16 41:19 42:2,21 47:16 48:4,16 50:11 51:5,13 54:7 76:25 97:3 98:4 102:3,8 107:5,7,11,13 111:7,11,21 112:25 122:13,14,22 131:19 133:12\n\nrecord（记录/笔录） 7:9 11:14 12:9 16:10 21:10,14,15 24:11,13,17 34:21 39:13 50:17 51:10 54:10 56:18 58:4 61:6,18,22 62:2 80:2 95:21 103:21 108:15,18,22 112:3 113:20 116:18,21 117:23 118:11,16,18,20 119:8 123:13,20 124:15 125:14 131:11 137:14,18 143:9\n\n877-702-9580\n\nrecorded（记录/录制） 6:4 45:12 46:2 93:23 113:15,23 117:23 118:18 119:22 125:19\n\nrecording（录音/录制） 119:7\n\nREDIRECT（再次直接询问） 140:14\n\nredundant（多余的/重复的） 10:2\n\nreference（参考/提及） 29:15 112:2,13,19 118:2,7,13 119:12 120:3 121:10 122:8 123:18,22,25 124:17 126:7 132:19\n\nreferenced（提及的） 22:19 115:16 130:17\n\nreferences（提及） 111:5 115:4\n\nreferred（提及/转介） 78:3 81:24 82:2\n\nreferring（指的是） 80:24 94:15 107:24 110:12\n\nreflect（反映） 56:18\n\nreflected（反映） 41:14 44:3\n\nreflecting（反映） 44:6\n\nrefreshed（恢复记忆） 42:2 51:14 106:17 122:13\n\nrefused（拒绝） 34:13 59:21\n\nregard（关于） 42:2,10 49:12 52:8 54:4 67:25 93:15 94:7 95:24 97:11,14,15,19 98:7 99:12,22 100:7 109:25 115:23 116:9 120:4,24 121:3 124:23 131:19 133:5,21 134:11,18 137:8\n\nregistered（注册的） 91:16 129:17 132:10 134:9\n\nrelated（相关的） 90:17\n\nrelationship（关系） 18:4 66:11 89:11\n\nrelevant（相关的） 64:12\n\nrelied（依赖） 69:25\n\nrelief（救济） 60:3\n\nrely（依赖） 70:8\n\nremember（记得） 23:24 24:7 27:8 30:14,24 34:23 35:4,8,9,13,15,16,17 36:7,10,11,13,14,25 37:14,22 38:8,21 39:5,15,18 40:19,23 41:6,7,15 42:20 43:25 47:7 50:20 51:24 52:3 53:24 77:11,17 85:8 86:2,8 96:16 110:22 122:17\n\nremembered（记得） 50:18\n\nremind（提醒） 51:11\n\nreminded（提醒） 51:7\n\nremotely（远程） 110:17\n\nrenew（续展/重新提出） 137:20\n\nrepeat（重复） 8:19 119:15\n\nrepeating（重复） 51:18\n\nreportedly（据报道） 129:15\n\nreporter（速记员/报告员） 6:14 7:7 8:2,16 10:21 11:3 12:10 16:11 21:7 39:14 46:2 95:22 104:4 113:19 114:10 116:14 117:15 131:12 143:13\n\nreporting（速记汇报） 6:11,15 113:17\n\nrepresent（代表） 12:14 17:22 18:6\n\nrepresentation（代理/陈述） 14:13\n\nrepresentative（代表） 137:23\n\nrepresented（代表） 11:18 13:4,12 14:16\n\nrepresenting（代表） 27:14 63:4,8 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