{"id":"court_sdny_312_2","court":"SDNY","case_no":"23-cr-00118","doc_number":312,"sub_number":2,"doc_type":"EXHIBIT","filed_date":"2024-04-30","title":"EXHIBIT B Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022","summary_zh":"破产债权人会议记录 —— Ho Wan Kwok 破产案，案号 22-50073（Chapter 11），庭审日期 2022年4月6日（ECF #312 于 2024年4月30日提交）。U.S. Trustee 主持的债权人会议，问询破产人的就业状况、居住地变化等事项；会议延期继续。","summary_en":"Bankruptcy Creditors' Meeting Transcript — Chapter 11 bankruptcy case of Ho Wan Kwok, Case No. 22-50073 (hearing held April 6, 2022; ECF #312 filed April 30, 2024). Hearing conducted by U.S. Trustee with examination of debtor regarding employment, residence, and other matters; meeting adjourned with continuation date scheduled.","body_en":"# **EXHIBIT B**\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\n| APPEARANCES:                                                     |                                                                                                                                |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| For the Debtor:                                                  | WILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ.<br>BEN SILVERBERG, ESQ.<br>Brown Rudnick, LLP<br>Seven Times Square<br>New York, NY 10036             |\n| For the U.S. Trustee:                                            | HOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ.<br>STEVEN MACKEY, ESQ.<br>Office of the U.S. Trustee<br>150 State Street<br>New Haven, CT 06510       |\n| For Logan Cheng,<br>Creditor:                                    | JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ.<br>Randazza Legal Group<br>100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor<br>Hartford, CT 06103                        |\n| For Pacific Alliance<br>Asia Opportunity Fund,<br>LP, Creditors: | DAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ.<br>O'Melveny & Myers, LLP<br>1625 I Street NW<br>Washington, DC 20006                               |\n|                                                                  | STUART SARNOFF, ESQ.<br>MAKENZIE RUSSO<br>O'Melveny & Myers, LLP<br>Times Square Tower<br>7 Times Square<br>New York, NY 10036 |\n|                                                                  | ANNECCA SMITH, ESQ.<br>Robinson and Cole<br>280 Trumbull Street<br>Hartford, CT 06103                                          |\n| For Bruno Wu, Weican<br>Meng and Rui Ma,<br>Creditors:           | KRISTEN MAYHEW, ESQ.<br>McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney &<br>Carpenter<br>One State Street<br>Hartford, CT 06103                    |\n| For the Official<br>Committee of Unsecured<br>Creditors:         | STEVEN STAFSTROM, ESQ.<br>Pullman & Comley<br>850 Main Street<br>Bridgeport, CT 06601                                          |\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 - 1, 1\n\n| 1  | MS. CLAIBORN: Good morning. Today is                 |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2  | Wednesday, April 6th, 2022. We are gathered for the  |\n| 3  | continued meeting of creditors in the Chapter 11     |\n| 4  | case of Ho Wan Kwok, case no. 22-50073.              |\n| 5  | My name is Holley Claiborn. I'm a trial              |\n| 6  | attorney in the Office of the United States Trustee  |\n| 7  | and I will be conducting today's meeting. Today's    |\n| 8  | meeting is being recorded on a digital recorder and  |\n| 9  | is also available for parties to participate on the  |\n| 10 | phone. And there are parties, including the debtor   |\n| 11 | and counsel and other professionals, gathered here   |\n| 12 | in person.                                           |\n| 13 | Today's meeting is being interpreted, as             |\n| 14 | you can hear and our interpreter today is Jeff and   |\n| 15 | I'm going to ask Jeff to respond to this oath.       |\n| 16 | (The interpreter is sworn.)                          |\n| 17 | THE COURT: On behalf of Mr. Kwok we have             |\n| 18 | William Baldiga and Ben Silverberg.                  |\n| 19 | Also on behalf of the debtor we have                 |\n| 20 | financial professionals Craig Gelbert and Matthew    |\n| 21 | Flynn.                                               |\n| 22 | Present here today on behalf of the                  |\n| 23 | Committee of Unsecured Creditors is Steven Stafstrom |\n| 24 | from Pullman and Comley.                             |\n| 1  | Mr. Stafstrom is the lawyer for the                  |\n| 2  | Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors.           |\n| 3  | Also present today on behalf of PAACS                |\n| 4  | Stuart Sarnoff, David Harbach and MacKenzie Russo.   |\n| 5  | They represent PAACS.                                |\n| 6  | On behalf of certain creditors, including            |\n| 7  | Rui Ma, we have Kristen Mayhew.                      |\n| 8  | On behalf of creditor, Logan Cheng, we               |\n| 9  | have Jay Wolman.                                     |\n| 10 | Also on behalf of PAACS we have Annecca              |\n| 11 | Smith, from Robinson and Cole.                       |\n| 12 | And then also for the debtor today we have           |\n| 13 | Josh Klein and Aaron Mitchell.                       |\n| 14 | Today's meeting will feature me asking               |\n| 15 | questions first, followed by the opportunity for     |\n| 16 | creditors to come up and ask questions.              |\n| 17 | Is anyone on the telephone conference                |\n| 18 | line?                                                |\n| 19 | MR. MACKEY:  Steven Mackey from the U.S.             |\n| 20 | Trustee's Office is on the conference line.          |\n| 21 | Thank you, Mr. Mackey.  Anyone else                  |\n| 22 | besides Mr. Mackey.                                  |\n| 23 | Hearing none, I'm going to proceed to                |\n| 24 | swearing in Mr. Kwok.                                |\n| 25 | (The debtor is sworn.)                               |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nന\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 1 MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, as you know, 2 today's meeting is being recorded and Mr. Jeff here is our official interpreter for today. 3 4 Jeff will be interpreting the questions റ that I ask and your answers, and I ask that you wait 6 until Jeff has made a full translation before you 7 answer my questions. 8 EXAMINATION BY MS. CLAIBORN: ੇ Q Mr. Kwok, we're going to pick up today in 10 an area that we left off in general from the last meeting of creditors that was held back on March 11 . 12 21st, 2022. 13 Has anything changed in your employment 14 status since March 21st, 2022? 15 A No . 16 o Has anything changed with respect to your 17 residence? the subscription of the states of the states 18 A No . 19 റു During the meeting held on March 21st, 20 2022 I asked you about the accuracy of your 21 bankruptcy schedules and your bankruptcy statement 22 of financial affairs. 23 A No change. 24 ್ತಾ Thank you. 25 MS. CLAIBORN: Jeff, for purposes of my\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 | 6                                                    |\n|-----------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                           | questions I'm going to be following the documents    |\n| 2                           | that are in front of you. When I say schedules, it's |\n| 3                           | this document. And then this document is the         |\n| 4                           | statement of financial affairs. Okay? And when I     |\n| 5                           | refer to an ECF number, it's at the top of the page. |\n| 6                           | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: ECF number.                |\n| 7                           | Okay.                                                |\n| 8                           | MS. CLAIBORN: Okay? That should allow                |\n| 9                           | you to follow along and start on this page.          |\n| 10                          | EXAMINATION BY MS. CLAIBORN:                         |\n| 11                          | Q Okay. Mr. Kwok, I'm going to ask you to            |\n| 12                          | make sure you have in front of you, which you appear |\n| 13                          | to do, Schedules A-B through J.                      |\n| 14                          | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: He has Mandarin             |\n| 15                          | translations in front of him.                        |\n| 16                          | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 17                          | Q I see that Mr. Baldiga, who is seated next         |\n| 18                          | to you, has English versions. But in front of you,   |\n| 19                          | Mr. Kwok, appear to be translations. Is that         |\n| 20                          | accurate?                                            |\n| 21                          | A Just on Schedule A-B.                              |\n| 22                          | Q Okay. So, Mr. Kwok, when you're answering          |\n| 23                          | my questions today, you're going to be taking a look |\n| 24                          | at your own translated versions of the bankruptcy    |\n| 25                          | schedules.                                           |\n\nCase 1:23-cr-00118\n\n23-cr-00118-AT Doc\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 7\n\nA Okay.\n\nQ Okay.\n\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Just a minute,\nYour Honor.\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: Yes.\n\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I'm having a\nlittle difficulty hearing the interpreter when he\ninterprets the witness's answers.\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: Okay. So, Jack, if you\ncould speak up. I'm going to move the microphone.\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh, okay.\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: See if that works.\n\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\n\nQ Okay. Mr. Kwok, starting at Question No.\n1 on Schedule A-B. With respect to Schedule A-B at\nQuestion No. 1, that asks if you own any legal or\nequitable interest in any real estate residence or\nbuilding or similar property. Your answer to that\nQuestion No. 1 was no, Mr. Kwok. Is that an\naccurate answer?\n\nA Yes.\n\nQ Mr. Kwok, have you owned any real estate\nbetween the year 2018 and your bankruptcy filing in\nFebruary of 2022?\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 8 1 that one? 2 BY MS. CLAIBORN: ო Have you owned any real estate between the o যা year 2018 and your bankruptcy filing in February ഗ 2022? THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat e that one? He said he didn't hear that. 7 -ങ BY MS. CLAIBORN: ் Mr. Kwok --റ്റ 10 MR. BALDIGA: I'm sorry. I couldn't hear. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He said that he 11 didn't understand the translation. I just want to 12 13 make sure I understand first. MS. CLAIBORN: I'll repeat the question. 14 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yes. 15 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 16 17 Mr. Kwok, have you owned any real estate between 2018 and February of 2022? 18 19 A No . Mr. Kwok, as of the bankruptcy filing in 20 o February 2022, did you have any equitable interest 21 in any real estate anywhere in the world? 22 | 23 A No . Mr. Kwok, as of the bankruptcy filing in 24 ੈ 25\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                          |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | any real estate anywhere in the world?               |\n| 2  | A No.                                                |\n| 3  | Q Mr. Kwok, have you ever owned any real             |\n| 4  | estate in Hong Kong?                                 |\n| 5  | A No.                                                |\n| 6  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: What was the                |\n| 7  | answer?                                              |\n| 8  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: No.                        |\n| 9  | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 10 | Q Mr. Kwok, have you ever owned the property         |\n| 11 | located at 16A South Bay Road, Hong Kong?            |\n| 12 | A No.                                                |\n| 13 | Q Mr. Kwok, do you currently own an                  |\n| 14 | apartment at the Sherry Netherland in New York City? |\n| 15 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I didn't get               |\n| 16 | it. Can I ask him repeat the -- repeat the answer?   |\n| 17 | MR. BALDIGA: You have to say -- whatever             |\n| 18 | you're going to say, you have to -- you're talking   |\n| 19 | to everybody, not just Holley, so I need to hear     |\n| 20 | what you're saying.                                  |\n| 21 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. I just -             |\n| 22 | - I just want to ask him to repeat -- repeat the     |\n| 23 | answer.                                              |\n| 24 | MR. BALDIGA: Okay.                                   |\n| 25 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay?                      |\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 10                       |\n| 1  | THE WITNESS: I don't own that real estate            |\n| 2  | in New York, the Sharon -- the Sharons -- at that    |\n| 3  | address I don't remember, and I own -- I own 50      |\n| 4  | percent the stock -- the stock and --                |\n| 5  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: No.                         |\n| 6  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: No?                        |\n| 7  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: No.                         |\n| 8  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay.                      |\n| 9  | THE WITNESS: For the family.                         |\n| 10 | MS. CLAIBORN: Can I ask you not to                   |\n| 11 | interrupt? Can you just wait until the end and then  |\n| 12 | --                                                   |\n| 13 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Okay.                       |\n| 14 | MS. CLAIBORN: -- you can express whatever            |\n| 15 | it is you want to say?                               |\n| 16 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Okay.                       |\n| 17 | MS. CLAIBORN: Can you please just                    |\n| 18 | translate Mr. Kwok's answer again?                   |\n| 19 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah. I just               |\n| 20 | want to repeat, make sure -- and I said it right,    |\n| 21 | you know, what he said.                              |\n| 22 | THE WITNESS: So, yeah, he -- he said, I              |\n| 23 | owe -- I own 50 percent of the -- 50 percent, but I  |\n| 24 | don't own the whole real estate, but I just          |\n| 25 | represent the family.                                |\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 11                       |\n| 1  | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 2  | Q Mr. Kwok, what do you own 50 percent of?           |\n| 3  | A Bravo Luck, 50 percent of the stock powder         |\n| 4  | -- power. I don't know. I don't understand.          |\n| 5  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: (Indiscernible.)            |\n| 6  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He owned -- he             |\n| 7  | said he owns the 50 percent of it.                   |\n| 8  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: -- we can hear              |\n| 9  | you fine, Holley.                                    |\n| 10 | MS. CLAIBORN: Okay. I'm going to ask --              |\n| 11 | I'm going to --                                      |\n| 12 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I don't know if             |\n| 13 | the microphone is connected to anything.             |\n| 14 | MS. CLAIBORN: It is. It is. Jeff, if                 |\n| 15 | you can speak up?                                    |\n| 16 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Mr. Kwok said              |\n| 17 | he owe -- he owns 50 percent of -- of the stock. Is  |\n| 18 | it like the stock of the real estate or something?   |\n| 19 | I don't know. I don't get it. But you can help if    |\n| 20 | she wants to help. Do you want him to help a little  |\n| 21 | bit?                                                 |\n| 22 | MS. CLAIBORN: I'd rather not.                        |\n| 23 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay.                      |\n| 24 | MS. CLAIBORN: So, I'll just -- I'll ask              |\n| 25 | follow-up questions.                                 |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 12 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. 1 MR. BALDIGA: All right. But I need to 2 hear if it's a misinterpretation, so --3 MS. CLAIBORN: I'm going to ask a 4 clarifying question, if I could. ടു 6 BY MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, do you own 50 percent of a 7 ു ထ company called Bravo Luck? I represent my family to hold 50 percent ਨੇ A 10 of the stock. Mr. Kwok, when you use the term --11 ു MR. BALDIGA: Could I hear that back? 12 13 Could you repeat that? THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah. I 14 represent my family to hold 50 percent of the stock 15 of the -- of the company. 16 17 MR. BALDIGA: Okay. 18 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 19 o Mr. Kwok, when you say family, what do you 20 mean? My family is a big family and that 21 A 22 | includes a lot of people. My kids and my sister-inlaws, and all people together. A lot of people. 23 1 24 Mr. Kwok, who owns an interest --റ്റ MR. BALDIGA: Excuse me. We do have an 25\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022<br>13                    |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n|    | interpretation question.                             |\n|    | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER:  I just want to             |\n|    | ask that, is there supposed to be summary of the     |\n| 4  | (indiscernible) the interpretation?                  |\n| 5  | MS. CLAIBORN:  To the best of Mr. Jeff's             |\n| ు  | ability, it should be verbatim.                      |\n| 7  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER:  Right.  So if              |\n| ರು | Mr. Kwok said, my son, my daughter, my brother, my   |\n| න  | sister-in-law, my nephew, my niece, many people,     |\n| 10 | then if the interpreter say, well, a lot of my       |\n| 11 | families and my brother, many people, then should it |\n| 12 | be correct or not?                                   |\n| 13 | MS. CLAIBORN: I would prefer that Mr.                |\n| 14 | Jeff translate as literally as possible.  So with    |\n| 15 | that instruction, can we --                          |\n| 16 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah.                      |\n| 17 | MS. CLAIBORN: -- do a specific job as                |\n| 18 | best we can going forward? Thank you.                |\n| 19 | MR. BALDIGA:  Thank you.                             |\n| 20 | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 21 | ੁ<br>So, Mr. Kwok, who owns the company called       |\n| 22 | Bravo Luck?                                          |\n| 23 | ದ<br>My son.                                         |\n| 24 | ೧<br>And what is your son's name?                    |\n| 25 | A<br>Cheng Wu.                                       |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 14 1 How long has your son owned Bravo Luck? 0 2 Д I don't remember. 3 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Say again, 4 please. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I don't 5 ട remember. 7 BY MS. CLAIBORN: ထ Q So, Mr. Kwok, what do you own 50 percent of when you explained your ownership interest in the 10 Southern Sherry Netherland? MR. BALDIGA: Objection. You may 11 12 interpret. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat 13 14 that one again, Holley? 15 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 16 o Mr. Kwok, you testified that you owned 50 percent of some company, and that was in response to 17 my question if you owned the Sherry Netherland 18 apartment. Can you please explain what you meant? 19 -20 A Sherry is a co-op. It doesn't have the --21 it doesn't have the -- it doesn't have the 22 ownership. 23 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: May I, Ms. 24 Holley? 25 MR. BALDIGA: Yes, of course.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 15\n\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: You've got to\nspeak louder.\nMS. CLAIBORN: Okay. I'm going to put\nourselves on pause for a second here.\n(Off the record)\nMS. CLAIBORN: All right. We're back on\nthe record after a short break, and Mr. Kwok, you\nremain under oath.\nJeff, could you please retranslate?\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah.\nMS. CLAIBORN: The last question. You\nwant me to ask it again?\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah. Would\nyou ask it again?\nMS. CLAIBORN: All right. I'll try it\nagain.\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\nQ Mr. Kwok, you testified today that you own\n50 percent of an interest in some company, and that\nwas the answer you gave me in response to my\nquestion if you own an apartment at the Sherry\nNetherland. Can you please explain your answer?\nMR. BALDIGA: Objection.\nTHE WITNESS: I don't know how to explain\nit. He said the Sherry Netherland is a co-op. I\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 16                       |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | don't have a deed on that property and I just        |\n| 2  | represent my family to own 50 percent of the right.  |\n| 3  | MR. BALDIGA: Excuse me. Go ahead.                    |\n| 4  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Because that --             |\n| 5  | Mr. Kwok did mention the company name Bravo Luck, so |\n| 6  | Mr. Interpreter did not say the word Bravo Luck, the |\n| 7  | company that holds the interest of Sherry            |\n| 8  | Netherland, and Mr. Kwok represents the family owns  |\n| 9  | 50 percent of Bravo Luck, which is the holding       |\n| 10 | company of owning the Sherry Netherland. The Sherry  |\n| 11 | Netherland is a co-op.                               |\n| 12 | MR. BALDIGA: So I'm going to make a                  |\n| 13 | continuing objection to the extent that the          |\n| 14 | interpreter is not providing the exact words used by |\n| 15 | the witness. I'm not ascribing any faults or         |\n| 16 | anything, but obviously that's critical to the       |\n| 17 | quality of the testimony and that's necessary.       |\n| 18 | MS. CLAIBORN: We need --                             |\n| 19 | MR. BALDIGA: We have to use the words                |\n| 20 | used by the witness.                                 |\n| 21 | MS. CLAIBORN: I'm sure that Jeff is going            |\n| 22 | to do his best job today to try to translate         |\n| 23 | everything literally.                                |\n| 24 | MR. BALDIGA: Thank you.                              |\n| 25 | MS. CLAIBORN: But please understand that             |\n\ned 04/30/24 Pac\n\nHo Wan Kwok -- April 6, 2022\n\nthere is a familiarity with terms in this room that\nMr. Jeff does not have. So to the extent that\npeople are answering questions with shorthand\nversions of company names or just one words, the\nanswer should be as specific as possible --\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah, I --\nMS. CLAIBORN: -- if you could translate\nthat.\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: -- my best but\nprobably that interpreter honestly, Holley, the\ninterpreter probably know the case more, the\ndetails.\nMS. CLAIBORN: I agree. Can you just --\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: But if he --\nMS. CLAIBORN: -- can you translate what I\n\n## just said to Mr. Kwok, because I want to make sure\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh.\nMS. CLAIBORN: -- he answers questions in\na way that are easily translatable.\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I just tell him\nand the answer let -- you know short and clear, but\nI pretty much understand what he says and --\nMS. CLAIBORN: And can you please\ntranslate Mr. Kwok's answers or comments to your\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n| 1    | comments?                                                                                 |\n|------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2    | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He said he will                                                 |\n| 3    | try to make it a shorter and clear and -- but he                                          |\n| 4    | needs to explain the details as much as he can                                            |\n| 5    | because it's a -- it's related to his lifeline.                                           |\n| 6    | MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Sarnoff?                                                                |\n| 7    | MR. SARNOFF: Yeah. I just wanted to make                                                  |\n| 8    | clear that to the extent there is a discrepancy                                           |\n| 9    | between the interpreter -- the translator, the                                            |\n| 10   | official translator and Mr. Kwok's interpreter, that                                      |\n| 11   | the translator is the final arbiter and that unless                                       |\n| 12   | the translator agrees with the translation                                                |\n| 13   | difference that the interpreter is putting forth,                                         |\n| 14   | they have to work that out before we can defer to                                         |\n| 15   | the -- to Mr. Kwok's personal interpreter as what                                         |\n| 16   | Mr. Kwok said.                                                                            |\n| 17   | MR. BALDIGA: I don't accept that.                                                         |\n| 18   | MR. SARNOFF: That's fine.                                                                 |\n| 19   | MR. BALDIGA: That can be your position.                                                   |\n| 20   | MR. SARNOFF: Okay. The position has to                                                    |\n| 21   | be that the translator has to agree with the                                              |\n| 22   | interpreter about what Mr. Kwok said for the record                                       |\n| 23   | to be accurate.                                                                           |\n| 24   | MR. BALDIGA: That -- I understand your                                                    |\n| 25   | position.                                                                                 |\n| 1    | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: So, Holley, if                                                  |\n| 2    | I miss anything that his personal interpreter wants                                       |\n| 3    | to make up whatever I'm missing, some of the detail                                       |\n| 4    | information, and is it okay for her to add on and if                                      |\n| 5    | I agree what -- you know, what I'm missing or what                                        |\n| 6    | he said, maybe I'm missing some detail information                                        |\n| 7    | and some --                                                                               |\n| 8    | MS. CLAIBORN: I think the better route                                                    |\n| 9    | for today --                                                                              |\n| 10   | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah.                                                           |\n| 11   | MS. CLAIBORN: -- and for purposes of a                                                    |\n| 12   | clear translation and a clear record --                                                   |\n| 13   | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay.                                                           |\n| 14   | MS. CLAIBORN: -- is for you, Jeff, to                                                     |\n| 15   | interpret                                                                                 |\n| 16   | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Uh-huh.                                                         |\n| 17   | MS. CLAIBORN: -- my questions and to                                                      |\n| 18   | interpret Mr. Kwok's answers.                                                             |\n| 19   | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay.                                                           |\n| 20   | MS. CLAIBORN: And if Mr. Kwok thinks,                                                     |\n| 21   | based on your interpretation, that you have not                                           |\n| 22   | translated properly, then he can testify again and                                        |\n| 23   | you can try again.                                                                        |\n| 24   | But I would like to restrict the                                                          |\n| 25   | interaction that happens between translators and                                          |\n|      | 227 88 88 84 66 88 88 88 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 60 60 600 600 600<br>Car V |\n| ।    | between Mr. Kwok's personal translator so that we                                         |\n| 2    | have an official record where the person asking the                                       |\n| 3    | question is me, it's being officially translated,                                         |\n| ್ನೆ  | and Mr. Kwok is giving the answers, and that also is                                      |\n| 5    | being officially translated.                                                              |\n| 6    | MR. BALDIGA:  But, Holley, the problem                                                    |\n| 7    | with that is the witness doesn't know whether Jeff's                                      |\n| 8    | English report is in fact accurate.  You can't leave                                      |\n| 9    | it up to the witness. That's why we have a check                                          |\n| 10   | interpreter.  If he spoke English, then we wouldn't                                       |\n| 11   | need any interpreters. He can't do that.                                                  |\n| 12   | MS. CLAIBORN:  I think as a practical                                                     |\n| 13   | matter, Mr. Kwok speaks enough English to know                                            |\n| ી વૈ | whether or not he's answered his question.                                                |\n| 15   | MR. BALDIGA:  No, he doesn't.  I object.                                                  |\n| 16   | MS. CLAIBORN:  Well, I -- I think that                                                    |\n| 17   | that has been what I have seen from my own personal                                       |\n| 18   | experience.                                                                               |\n| । ਉ  | That said, we're going to try and do the                                                  |\n| 20   | best we can --                                                                            |\n| 21   | MR. BALDIGA:<br>I agree.                                                                  |\n| 22   | MS. CLAIBORN: -- and we'll see where we                                                   |\n| 23   | go .                                                                                      |\n| 24   | MR. BALDIGA:<br>Okay.                                                                     |\n| 25   | Okay?<br>MS. CLAIBORN:                                                                    |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 21\n\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\nQ So back to questions and answers. Mr.\nKwok, do you own an interest in Genever Holdings\nCorporation?\nA I just have -- in reality, I don't, but I\njust held -- I just represent my family to hold some\ninterest.\nQ Is anyone authorized to act on behalf of\nGenever Holdings Corporation aside from you?\nA My son.\nQ Is there a document that memorializes your\nownership interest, whatever it is, in Genever\nHoldings Corporation?\nMR. BALDIGA: Objection. You -- you may\nanswer.\nTHE WITNESS: No.\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Ms. Holley, can\nI -- first of all, the last time that -- when he was\nsaying -- instructing the witness about his\ntestimony, what should it be, I don't think the\ninterpreter -- the official interpreter interpreted\nyour instruction. He is telling the witness what he\nshould be doing, but not what you were saying.\nAnd then, now that the witness is saying\nthat he asked the interpreter twice that -- you were\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 22                      |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | talking about ownership, you were talking about     |\n| 2  | ownership interest. Now he used twice these words,  |\n| 3  | and then at the end, Mr. Jeff said, yes. And then,  |\n| 4  | so he answered no, but then the interaction was not |\n| 5  | interpreted.                                        |\n| 6  | MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Jeff, could you                   |\n| 7  | translate?                                          |\n| 8  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I don't know              |\n| 9  | what she just said. I don't know. I didn't          |\n| 10 | understand what she's saying.                       |\n| 11 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I mean, every              |\n| 12 | word should be interpreted. The witness -- every    |\n| 13 | word the witness says should be interpreted. Ms.    |\n| 14 | Holley's words should be interpreted, right?        |\n| 15 | MS. CLAIBORN: Yes.                                  |\n| 16 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Right. But he              |\n| 17 | will -- not interpreted Ms. Holley's -- and you did |\n| 18 | not interpret everything Mr. Kwok said.             |\n| 19 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. Maybe --            |\n| 20 | maybe we should have her to interpret. I'm going to |\n| 21 | excuse myself. I don't know --                      |\n| 22 | MS. CLAIBORN: I'm going to put the --               |\n| 23 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: -- I'm not                |\n| 24 | familiar with --                                    |\n| 25 | MS. CLAIBORN: -- I'm going to put the               |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 23\n\nmatter on pause for a moment.\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah, yeah,\nyeah.\n\n(Off the record)\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: All right. We are back on\nthe record after a short break.\n\nMr. Kwok, you remain under oath.\n\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\n\nQ Mr. Kwok, do you have any United States\ncurrency with you today?\n\nA No.\n\nQ When you filed your bankruptcy case, did\nyou have any United States currency?\n\nA No.\n\nQ Mr. Kwok, do you own any foreign currency?\n\nA No.\n\nQ Mr. Kwok, do you own any digital currency?\n\nA No.\n\nQ Mr. Kwok, do you have any financial\naccounts of any kind in the United States?\n\nA No.\n\nQ Mr. Kwok, do you have any financial\naccounts of any kind outside of the United States?\n\nA No.\n\nQ On March 21st, you testified you have no\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 |                                                |\n|-----------------------------|------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                           | job and no source of income. Who pays for your |\n| 2                           | household expenses?                            |\n| 3                           | A Sometimes my son, sometimes my wife, or      |\n| 4                           | sometimes my other family member.              |\n| 5                           | Q Do you have access to any credit cards?      |\n| 6                           | A No.                                          |\n| 7                           | Q Do you have access to any debit cards        |\n| 8                           | attached to a bank account?                    |\n| 9                           | A No.                                          |\n| 10                          | Q How do you pay for groceries?                |\n| 11                          | A My son, my wife, my family members'          |\n| 12                          | company pay for.                               |\n| 13                          | Q Where does your son live?                    |\n| 14                          | A London.                                      |\n| 15                          | Q How does your son send you money?            |\n| 16                          | A He has a family office in a company, New     |\n| 17                          | York.                                          |\n| 18                          | Q Does the family office give you money?       |\n| 19                          | A They pay the expenses above.                 |\n| 20                          | Q What does the term family office mean?       |\n| 21                          | MR. BALDIGA: Objection. You may answer.        |\n| 22                          | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can I ask to --      |\n| 23                          | ask him to repeat?                             |\n| 24                          | MS. CLAIBORN: Yes.                             |\n| 25                          | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. Can you        |\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 25\n\n--\nMR. BALDIGA: Right. He also have to\ninterpret for the witness what I say.\nMS. CLAIBORN: You haven't said anything\nyet and he's going to ask him to repeat his answers\nso then he's going to translate, and then we can\nhave whatever discussion you want to have.\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: The counsel\nraised objection. The interpreter did not interpret\nthe objection.\nMS. CLAIBORN: I can happily repeat the\nquestion, but we are not going to get anywhere today\nin a meaningful fashion if people are interrupting\non basic questions.\n\n## MR. BALDIGA: No, I didn't interrupt, but\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: So let me try again.\nMR. BALDIGA: Okay. But hold on. If I\nobject or if I say anything else, that has to be\ninterpreted.\nMS. CLAIBORN: You're not waiting for\nspace to interpret. So, Mr. Jeff, can you interpret\nthat exchange that just happened?\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. I don't\nknow. It's just too much interruption.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 26 1 MS. CLAIBORN: Right. 2 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Holley, I can't do -- keep doing this. I just too distracted and I 3 don't know. It just a simple -- ask the witness বা 5 just a simple repeat and then --6 MS. CLAIBORN: Let me try --THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: --- it gets all 7 8 these people involved. MS. CLAIBORN: Correct. Let me -- ਉ 10 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: We're not going 11 anywhere. 12 MS. CLAIBORN: Let me try the question 13 again. 14 BY MS. CLAIBORN: Q Mr. Kwok, what do you mean by the term, 15 16 family office? MR. BALDIGA: Objection. You may answer. 17 MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Baldiga, that term is 18 all over the papers. Can you repeat -- translate? 19 -20 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: No, I'm not going anywhere. Holley, I just excuse myself. I'm 21 22 1 sorry. It's -- it's not going --23 MS. CLAIBORN: I'm going to put it on 24 pause, please. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: -- this is too 25\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 27\n\nmuch.\n(Off the record)\nMS. CLAIBORN: We're back on the record after a short break.\nMr. Kwok, you remain under oath. During the break, I spoke with Attorney Baldiga and we have agreed that all objections as to form of the question are reserved.\nI'm going to go back to my questions.\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\nQ The question we left off after the break was what do you mean by the term family office?\nA They are representing my big family. It's a company my son, my daughter, my wife, and it's a company representing my family for investment.\nQ What is the name of the company?\nA Golden Spring Europe.\nQ Do you mean Golden Spring New York?\nA Roughly the name.\nQ Who pays for the meals that you eat?\nA Sometimes my wife's company, sometimes my family office, my son's company.\nQ Mr. Kwok, when you use the term family office, are you referring to the company known as Golden Spring New York Limited?\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 28 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: What's the name 1 2 of the company? Can I -- can you repeat it? 3 MS. CLAIBORN: The name is Golden Spring বা New York Limited. 5 THE WITNESS: Yes . 6 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 7 In your bankruptcy case, you filed a Q ထ report covering your expenses for the month of ி February. 10 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: May I repeat 11 again? 12 MS. CLAIBORN: Maybe I'll try it again. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Thank you. 13 14 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 15 Mr. Kwok, you filed a monthly operating\nreport covering the month of February 2022, and that 16 report shows you spent approximately \\$160,000. 17 MR. BALDIGA: Objection. I object. 18 19 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 20 o Who funded the disbursements of \\$160,000? 21 Some from the Golden Spring family office A 22 1 and the company, some were paid by my wife and my 23 wife's company. 24 o What is the name of your wife's company? 25 A Greenwich, in Connecticut.\n\nCase 1:23-cr-001\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 <span style=\"float: right;\">29</span> |                                                     |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                                                                 | Q Are you referring to the company?                 |\n| 2                                                                 | A Yes, the company name.                            |\n| 3                                                                 | Q What expenses does your wife company,             |\n| 4                                                                 | Greenwich, pay for?                                 |\n| 5                                                                 | A Mostly food, because I live in my wife's          |\n| 6                                                                 | house. We share the cleaning, the expenses because  |\n| 7                                                                 | -- and also the garden maintenance expenses.        |\n| 8                                                                 | UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Okay. Can we take             |\n| 9                                                                 | a quick time out so I can speak with my co-counsel? |\n| 10                                                                | Or with my partner.                                 |\n| 11                                                                | MR. BALDIGA: No, let's just wait.                   |\n| 12                                                                | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                    |\n| 13                                                                | Q Where does your wife's company, Greenwich,        |\n| 14                                                                | get its money from?                                 |\n| 15                                                                | A I don't know.                                     |\n| 16                                                                | Q Did your wife's company, Greenwich, pay           |\n| 17                                                                | for any professional expenses?                      |\n| 18                                                                | A I don't know.                                     |\n| 19                                                                | Q Is your wife the person who actually makes        |\n| 20                                                                | the payments?                                       |\n| 21                                                                | A Yes.                                              |\n| 22                                                                | Q Does your wife have a checking account?           |\n| 23                                                                | A I don't know.                                     |\n| 24                                                                | Q Does your wife have a debit card?                 |\n| 25                                                                | A I don't know.                                     |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 30 1 When you eat in a restaurant with your O 2 wife, who pays the bill? I never went to a restaurant with my wife. 3 A ರ್ ರ Q Ever? I think I was chased by these people and I ഹ A 6 | never went. Thinks I -- you know, I think I was 7 chased by these people. 8 Q Does your wife buy groceries? ி A Sometimes. 10 ್ How does she pay for them? A I don't know. 11 Why does Golden Spring New York pay for 12 റ്റ 13 some of your personal expenses? Because I'm one of the family member, and 14 A my son is very successful and he loves me very much. 15 Is there any other reason? 16 ರ I don't know. 17 A What personal living expenses of yours 18 ੁ 19 does Golden Spring pay for? 20 A The expense from security because I was chased by the people in the back, and the 21 transportation, clothing, and some items for living. 22 -23 Q Who is the person at Golden Spring New 24 York --MS. CLAIBORN: Wait a minute. I'm going 25\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 31 |                                                  |\n|--------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                              | to ask a full question.                          |\n| 2                              | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                 |\n| 3                              | Q So who is the person at Golden Spring New      |\n| 4                              | York who authorizes the payment of your personal |\n| 5                              | living expenses?                                 |\n| 6                              | A My son.                                        |\n| 7                              | Q Please explain how your son authorizes         |\n| 8                              | those payments.                                  |\n| 9                              | A I usually communicate with Golden Spring,      |\n| 10                             | the company's manager and CEO.                   |\n| 11                             | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: (Indiscernible)         |\n| 12                             | director, not manager.                           |\n| 13                             | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Could you --           |\n| 14                             | okay. Director, not a manager.                   |\n| 15                             | MR. BALDIGA: Thank you.                          |\n| 16                             | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                 |\n| 17                             | Q Mr. Kwok, who is the director or manager       |\n| 18                             | that you just referred to?                       |\n| 19                             | A Wang Yanping.                                  |\n| 20                             | Q Is Ms. Ping a officer of Golden Spring New     |\n| 21                             | York?                                            |\n| 22                             | A She is a Miss. She's a lady.                   |\n| 23                             | Q Is Ms. Ping a corporate officer of Golden      |\n| 24                             | Spring New York?                                 |\n| 25                             | A Yes. Yes. Co.                                  |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 32 1 What is her title? ೧ 2 A She is a officer or director. က റ്റ Does she have a position title? ব A I don't know. 5 Mr. Kwok, are you a corporate officer of റ ଚ Golden Spring New York? 7 A Now? 8 Q Yes . ਹੈ A No . Mr. Kwok, have you ever been in the past, 10 Q a corporate officer of Golden Spring New York? 11 12 A I seem to hold a title when the company 13 | was established in 2015. I forgot what title was it 14 then. 15 Q Mr. Kwok, do you own any interest in 16 Golden Spring New York? 17 A No . In the past, have you ever had any kind of 18 ੋ 19 | ownership interest in Golden Spring New York? 20 A No . 21 Were you involved in the formation of ു 22 | Golden Spring New York? 23 A Yes . 24 Q What was your role in the formation of 25 Golden Spring New York?\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 33 |   |                                                      |\n|--------------------------------|---|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                              | A | Consultant and giving advice, suggestions.           |\n| 2                              | Q | Was your son involved in the formation of            |\n| 3                              |   | Golden Spring New York?                              |\n| 4                              | A | He is the main person. He -- he was the              |\n| 5                              |   | main person.                                         |\n| 6                              | Q | When Golden Spring New York was created,             |\n| 7                              |   | who had the ownership interest in New York -- Golden |\n| 8                              |   | New -- Golden Spring New York?                       |\n| 9                              | A | My son.                                              |\n| 10                             | Q | Did Golden Spring Hong Kong have any                 |\n| 11                             |   | ownership interest in Golden Spring New York?        |\n| 12                             | A | I don't know the detail of the interest              |\n| 13                             |   | and because this -- these two combined, it's         |\n| 14                             |   | considered one thing.                                |\n| 15                             | Q | Is Golden Spring Hong Kong a separate                |\n| 16                             |   | company from Golden Spring New York?                 |\n| 17                             | A | I don't know.                                        |\n| 18                             | Q | Who owns Golden Spring Hong Kong?                    |\n| 19                             | A | My son.                                              |\n| 20                             | Q | In 2015, when Golden Spring New York was             |\n| 21                             |   | formed, who owned Golden Spring Hong Kong?           |\n| 22                             | A | I don't know.                                        |\n| 23                             | Q | Are you a corporate officer of Golden                |\n| 24                             |   | Spring Hong Kong?                                    |\n| 25                             | A | I don't remember.                                    |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 Q Have you ever been a cooperate officer of Golden Spring Hong Kong? A I don't remember. Q Do you have any ownership interest in ഗ Golden Spring Hong Kong? A No . Have you ever in the past, had an റ്റ ထ ownership interest in Golden Spring Hong Kong? A No . Q What type of business is Golden Spring New York engaged in? I don't know. A Q How does Golden Spring New York generate revenue? A T don't know. THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Ms. Holley, I don't know if this -- the (indiscernible) he said, 18 how does Golden Spring New York generate revenue, 19 | not how does Golden Spring New York making money,\n\n20 right?\n\n1\n\n2\n\nന\n\nণা\n\n6\n\n7\n\nਰੇ\n\n10\n\n11\n\n12\n\n13\n\n14\n\n15\n\n16\n\n17\n\n21 MS. CLAIBORN: That was basically my 22 question. 23 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Yeah, so the 24 interpreter should not say -- interpret it in such a 25 | way that Golden Spring New York -- how does Golden\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 - 11: 35 1 Spring New York make money, to the -- to the -- to 2 Mr. Kwok. 3 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Generate money, 4 yeah. Generate revenue, generate money. 5 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: No, but you said 6 7 MS. CLAIBORN: I'm happy to ask it 8 specifically. ਾ ਹੈ। BY MS. CLAIBORN: 10 Q How does Golden Spring New York make 11 money? 12 A I don't know. 13 Q In the year 2015, were you involved in । বাঁ Golden Spring New York's business? 15 I don't remember. মা 16 Ox Have you ever given a gift of money to 17 Golden Spring New York? 18 A No . 19 Have you ever given any money to Golden 20 Spring New York? 21 : No. \" Have you ever transferred any property of 22 23 | any kind to Golden Spring New York? 24 A No . 25 Q Have you ever funded Golden Spring New\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 36 1 York in any way? 2 A No . 3 Q Have you ever loaned money to Golden 4 Spring New York? 5 A No . ଚ Q Have you ever invested any of your own 7 money in Golden Spring New York? 8 A No . 9 What corporate position does Yanping Wang ್ತ 10 Hold? Officer and director. 11 A 12 Q Is Yanping Wang the president of Golden 13 Spring New York? । ਪੈ A Yes . 15 Does Golden Spring New York have any other o 16 corporate officers? 17 A Yes . ್ 18 Who are they? I don't remember clearly about their 19 A 20 names. 21 റ്റു Please tell me what you remember. 22 What -- I don't remember their names A 23 clearly and -- because I don't even remember 24 attorney's names. I don't want to misleading you, 25 Holley.\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 37 |   |                                                      |\n|--------------------------------|---|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                              | Q | How many officers does Golden Spring New             |\n| 2                              |   | York have?                                           |\n| 3                              | A | I don't remember. Oh, I don't know.                  |\n| 4                              |   | Sorry. I don't know.                                 |\n| 5                              | Q | Does Golden Spring New York have any                 |\n| 6                              |   | directors?                                           |\n| 7                              | A | Yanping Wang.                                        |\n| 8                              | Q | Is Ms. Wang the only director of Golden              |\n| 9                              |   | Spring New York?                                     |\n| 10                             | A | I don't know.                                        |\n| 11                             | Q | Where does Golden Spring New York get the            |\n| 12                             |   | money that it uses to pay your personal expenses?    |\n| 13                             | A | I don't know.                                        |\n| 14                             | Q | Does Golden Spring New York have any                 |\n| 15                             |   | employees?                                           |\n| 16                             | A | Yes.                                                 |\n| 17                             | Q | How many?                                            |\n| 18                             | A | I don't know.                                        |\n| 19                             | Q | Are you currently involved in any way in             |\n| 20                             |   | the business of Golden Spring New York?              |\n| 21                             | A | No.                                                  |\n| 22                             | Q | What does Golden Spring New York own?                |\n| 23                             | A | I don't know.                                        |\n| 24                             | Q | Golden Spring New York is willing to loan            |\n| 25                             |   | you the sum of \\$8 million. Where is it getting that |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 38 1 \\$8 million from? 2 A I don't know. က Are you the person who asked Golden Spring ○ ধ New York to loan you \\$8 million? 5 A No . 6 റ്റു Who asked Golden Spring New York to loan 7 you \\$8 million? 8 A My attorney. 9 O Which attorney? 10 Aaron Mitchell here. A 11 റ്റ Are you referring to Aaron Mitchell? 12 Now I remember his name now. A UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Just for the 13 14 record, I'm not sure Mr. Mitchell has registered an 15 appearance yet. It would be appropriate if he's going to be here representing the debtor, if he 16 (indiscernible) his appearance. 17 MS. CLAIBORN: I believe I did read Mr. 18 19 1 Mitchell's name earlier today. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He hasn't filed --20 21 MS. CLAIBORN: He did sign --22 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- an appearance in 23 this matter. 24 MS. CLAIBORN: Thank you. Can you 25 translate that?\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 39\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I didn't hear totally clearly. I know it's some distance. I don't --\n\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\n\nQ Does Golden Spring New York have any bank accounts?\n\nA I don't know.\n\nQ Do you have access to Golden Spring New York's financial accounts?\n\nA No.\n\nQ Do you have authority to enter into financial transactions on behalf of Golden Spring New York?\n\nA No.\n\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: No. No, that's not the question.\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: What was it?\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: I'm happy to repeat the question.\n\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\n\nQ Do you have authority to enter into financial transactions on behalf of Golden Spring New York? Mr. Kwok, if you don't answer -- if you don't understand my question --\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He's asking if\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 40                                  |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | he -- if I was asking if he has the right to use the            |\n| 2  | -- the Golden Spring New York, the accounts for                 |\n| 3  | transactions. You know.                                         |\n| 4  | MS. CLAIBORN: That was not my question.                         |\n| 5  | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                                |\n| 6  | Q Mr. Kwok, are you authorized to enter into                    |\n| 7  | any kind of financial transactions on behalf of                 |\n| 8  | Golden Spring New York?                                         |\n| 9  | A No.                                                           |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA: Excuse me, the interpreter                         |\n| 11 | might have a comment.                                           |\n| 12 | MS. CLAIBORN: Can you translate that,                           |\n| 13 | please?                                                         |\n| 14 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah. She said                        |\n| 15 | that it's the trading -- trading of the financial               |\n| 16 | trading --                                                      |\n| 17 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Transaction.                           |\n| 18 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: -- transaction                        |\n| 19 | to --                                                           |\n| 20 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Not trading.                           |\n| 21 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He said that,                         |\n| 22 | no, he was not -- I was not authorized to do the                |\n| 23 | transactions, financial transactions.                           |\n| 24 | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                                |\n| 25 | Q What, if anything, do you currently do for                    |\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 <span style=\"float:right\">41</span> |\n| 1  | Golden Spring New York?                                         |\n| 2  | A No.                                                           |\n| 3  | Q Is Golden Spring New York funding your                        |\n| 4  | son's personal living expenses?                                 |\n| 5  | A I don't know.                                                 |\n| 6  | Q Is Golden Spring New York funding your                        |\n| 7  | daughter's personal living expenses?                            |\n| 8  | A I don't know.                                                 |\n| 9  | Q Do you owe any money to Golden Spring New                     |\n| 10 | York?                                                           |\n| 11 | A Yes.                                                          |\n| 12 | Q How much?                                                     |\n| 13 | A Like more than \\$21 million.                                  |\n| 14 | Q How do you owe more than \\$21 million to                      |\n| 15 | Golden Spring New York?                                         |\n| 16 | A Because in the past five years and I was                      |\n| 17 | sued by a lot of creditors.                                     |\n| 18 | Q Did Golden Spring New York --                                 |\n| 19 | MS. CLAIBORN: I apologize.                                      |\n| 20 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I just ask him                        |\n| 21 | to repeat.                                                      |\n| 22 | THE WITNESS: In the past five years, I                          |\n| 23 | was chased by Chinese Communist Party.                          |\n| 24 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I didn't get                          |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n1 time. 2 MR. BALDIGA: Short -- short answer. ന THE WITNESS: In the past five years I was trapped -- trapped by some of the cases from Chinese খা ഗ Communist Party, designed by the Chinese Communist ର Party, including the case past, that case. I need to -- need to pay a large amount of legal fees so 7 -ထ that's why I got the support from the Golden Spring New York. This is the main reason I owe \\$21 10 million. 11 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Interpreter 12 missed that, the legal -- legal fee. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah, I said 13 14 the legal fee. I said that. Did I say legal fee? THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I didn't think 15 so, but as long as you say that. 16 17 BY MS. CLAIBORN: How much of the \\$21 million is comprised 18 o 19 of legal fees? THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat 20 21 that one again? 22 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 23 How much of the \\$21 million -o 24 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. 25 BY MS. CLAIBORN:\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nCase 1:23-cr-00118-A\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 |                                           | 43                                                  |\n|-----------------------------|-------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                           | Q                                         | -- is comprised of legal fees?                      |\n| 2                           | A                                         | I think most of it is legal fee.                    |\n| 3                           | Q                                         | Why is Golden Spring New York paying your           |\n| 4                           |                                           | legal fees?                                         |\n| 5                           | A                                         | Because the Golden Spring New York is my            |\n| 6                           |                                           | son and my family's company and they love me very   |\n| 7                           |                                           | much. They hope -- they hoping me to live, not be   |\n| 8                           |                                           | killed by the people behind me.                     |\n| 9                           | Q                                         | Do you have any written agreement with              |\n| 10                          |                                           | Golden Spring New York?                             |\n| 11                          | A                                         | Yes.                                                |\n| 12                          | Q                                         | What legal -- sorry. What written                   |\n| 13                          |                                           | agreements do you have with Golden Spring New York? |\n| 14                          | A                                         | It's agreement for borrowing -- borrowing           |\n| 15                          |                                           | money.                                              |\n| 16                          | Q                                         | When did you enter into that agreement to           |\n| 17                          |                                           | borrow money?                                       |\n| 18                          | A                                         | A few years ago. I know -- I don't know             |\n| 19                          |                                           | rough time.                                         |\n| 20                          | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I don't recall.  |                                                     |\n| 21                          | MS. CLAIBORN: What --                     |                                                     |\n| 22                          | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: What -- yeah, I |                                                     |\n| 23                          | don't remember the time.                  |                                                     |\n| 24                          | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                          |                                                     |\n| 25                          | Q                                         | What are the terms of the legal agreement           |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 44 with Golden Spring New York? Sorry. Let me 1 rephrase that. What are the terms of the written 2 က agreement with Golden Spring New York? ণ A I don't remember. 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Sorry. Could you 6 repeat the English, please? 7 MS. CLAIBORN: Go ahead and say that --8 repeat. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I don't ੇ 10 remember. BY MS. CLAIBORN: 11 12 Q Are you obligated under that written agreement with Golden Spring New York to pay back 13 14 all of the money? 15 ಗ್ಗೆ Yes . 16 MR. BALDIGA: There's more to the 17 question. BY MS. CLAIBORN: 18 That Golden Spring paid to lawyers on your 19\n20 behalf. 21 A Yes . 22 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: It was only 23 (indiscernible) of a difference in the interpreting. 24 For example, the interpreter did not interpret under 25 | the agreement, are you obligated to make them all --\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022<br>45                 |\n|----|---------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | to pay back all the money. All the money that is, |\n| 2  | you know --                                       |\n| 3  | MR. BALDIGA: Okay.                                |\n| 4  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: -- spent on the          |\n| 5  | lawyer.                                           |\n| 6  | MR. BALDIGA: Maybe Holley can clarify             |\n| 7  | that.                                             |\n| 8  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Yeah.                    |\n| 9  | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                  |\n| 10 | Q I'm going to ask a long question. I'm           |\n| 11 | going to break it into parts.                     |\n| 12 | Mr. Kwok, are you obligated to pay back           |\n| 13 | Golden Spring New York for all of the money that  |\n| 14 | Golden Spring New York paid to lawyers on your    |\n| 15 | behalf?                                           |\n| 16 | A Yes.                                            |\n| 17 | Q Is that agreement with Golden Spring New        |\n| 18 | York in writing?                                  |\n| 19 | A Yes.                                            |\n| 20 | Q Is that the same written agreement you          |\n| 21 | mentioned a few minutes ago?                      |\n| 22 | A Yes.                                            |\n| 23 | Q Do you have more than one written               |\n| 24 | agreement with Golden Spring New York?            |\n| 25 | A Yes.                                            |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 4 6 1 What are your other written agreements ் 2 with Golden Spring New York? 3 In the past week, I had a case with Logan A Cheng. The settlement with Logan Cheng, the money বা from -- for the settlement is the money I borrow 6 from Golden Spring New York. 7 Do you have any other written agreements ্র 8 with Golden Spring New York? 9 A I don't remember, 10 Does Golden Spring New York have a fee Q 11 agreement with any of the attorneys who represent 12 you in litigation? 13 Can you -- can you answer, Mr. Kwok? 14 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Any agreement 15 with -- can you repeat one more time? BY MS. CLAIBORN: 16 Does Golden Spring New York have a -- any 17 o 18 kind of a fee agreement with any of the lawyers who 19 represent Mr. Kwok in litigation? 20 A T don't know. 21 Mr. Kwok, who represents you in the Q 22 | litigation you filed against UBS in London? 23 A Attorney -- attorney office in London. 24 ್ What is the name? I don't remember completely about the 25 A\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 47\n\nEnglish name.\n\nQ Does Golden Spring New York have a fee\nagreement with that attorney in London?\n\nA There should be.\n\nMR. BALDIGA: I'm sorry. What was the\nanswer?\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Should have.\n\nBY MS. CLAIBORN:\n\nQ Do you know if it does have enough -- have\na fee agreement?\n\nA I'm not sure.\n\nQ Who is the person at Golden Spring New\nYork who authorized payment of your litigation\nexpenses?\n\nA My son.\n\nQ Does your son have to speak with anyone\nelse in order to use Golden Spring New York money\nfor your benefit?\n\nA Yes.\n\nQ Who does your son need to speak with?\n\nA He needs to talk to my family member,\nwhich includes more than 100 family members, and\nthat because they have a fund.\n\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: That -- the\nnumber is 181.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 48 1 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 2 Mr. Kwok, if your son wanted to give you റ്റു\n က \\$100, would he have to seek authority from someone এ at Golden Spring New York? 5 I don't know. A હ When you say your son has to speak with ் 7 someone at Golden Spring New York, how many people 8 does he need to speak with? 9 A I don't know details. With respect to the \\$8 million that Golden 10 ் 11 Spring New York is willing to loan you, did your son have to obtain consent of other people at Golden 12 13 Spring New York for that transaction? 14 A I don't know. 15 Have you ever been to the office of Golden ೧ 16 Spring New York in New York City? A 17 Yes . 18 Q How often do you go to the Golden Spring 19 1 New York office in New York City? Not -- not fixed. Sometimes I go there a 20 A few times a month. Sometimes I haven't -- I haven't 21 22 gone there for a few months. 23 Q When was the last time you went to the 24 Golden Spring New York office? 25 A Yesterday.\n\nCase 1:23-cr-001\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                  |\n|----|----------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | Q Why did you go?                            |\n| 2  | A For preparing today's meeting.             |\n| 3  | Q Did your son speak with Yanping Wang about |\n| 4  | the \\$8 million loan?                        |\n| 5  | A I don't know.                              |\n| 6  | Q Did you negotiate the terms of the \\$8     |\n| 7  | million loan from Golden Spring New York?    |\n| 8  | A No.                                        |\n| 9  | Q Who was the person who negotiated the \\$8  |\n| 10 | million loan on your behalf?                 |\n| 11 | A My attorney.                               |\n| 12 | Q Which attorney?                            |\n| 13 | A Aaron Mitchell.                            |\n| 14 | Q Who did Attorney Aaron Mitchell negotiate  |\n| 15 | with at Golden Spring New York?              |\n| 16 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat     |\n| 17 | one?                                         |\n| 18 | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                             |\n| 19 | Q Who did Attorney Aaron Mitchell negotiate  |\n| 20 | with at Golden Spring New York?              |\n| 21 | A I don't know. My son.                      |\n| 22 | Q Did you borrow the sum of \\$1 million from |\n| 23 | Lamp Capital, LLC in February 2022?          |\n| 24 | A Yes.                                       |\n| 25 | Q Is that loan from Lamp Capital, LLC in     |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 50 1 writing? 2 A No . 3 What are the loan terms of the loan from റ 4 Lamp Capital? 5 A I don't know detail. 6 Q Who are the members of Lamp Capital, LLC? 7 A My son. 8 Are there any other members of Lamp റ്റ 9 Capital, LLC? 10 A I don't know. 11 റ്റു Who is the managing member of Lamp 12 Capital, LLC? 13 I don't know. A 14 ဝ Who was the person at Lamp Capital who 15 authorized the loan? 16 A My son. What are the assets of Lamp Capital, LLC? 17 Q I don't know. 18 A 19 ್ನ What does Lamp Capital own? 20 A I don't know. 21 Have you ever funded Lamp Capital in any റ്റു 22 way? 23 A No . 24 Have you ever invested any money in Lamp ্র 25 Capital, LLC?\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 51\n\n1 A No.\n2 Q Why did Lamp Capital loan you the \\$1\n3 million and not Golden Spring New York?\n4 A I don't know.\n5 Q What is the source of the \\$1 million that\n6 Lamp Capital loaned to you?\n7 A I don't know.\n8 MS. CLAIBORN: Why don't we take a five-\n9 minute break for the restroom? We'll reconvene\n10 actually, at 12:10.\n11 (Recess)\n12 MS. CLAIBORN: We are back on the record\n13 after a short break.\n14 Mr. Kwok, you remain under oath.\n15 BY MS. CLAIBORN:\n16 Q Mr. Kwok, were you involved in the\n17 selection of the lawyers who represent you in your\n18 action in London?\n19 A Yes.\n20 Q Did your counsel in London request a\n21 retainer?\n22 A Yes.\n23 Q And did you pay your counsel in London a\n24 retainer?\n25 A Yes.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 52 1 ್ How much? 2 A 300,000 pound. ന And when was that 300,000 pound retainer ੁ র্ব paid? 5 A Roughly two years ago. 6 ್ Who funded the retainer? 7 My son helped to pay -- pay that. A 8 Did your son pay all of the retainer? റ 9 A Yes . 10 ் Did your son pay the retainer out of his 11 personal funds? 12 A Should be from the company, England. 13 이 What was the name of the company who paid 14 the retainer? 15 A I don't remember. 16 Q Did Golden Spring New York pay the 17 retainer to your London counsel? 18 A I don't remember details because other 19 than the retainer and the other -- a few more 20 payments in -- you know, after. 21 Mr. Kwok, if you wanted to go buy a pair O 22 1 of shoes, how would you pay for a pair of shoes? 23 A -I will ask Golden Spring New York to pay 24 for it. 25\nAnd how would that process work?\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 53 1 A And I will talk to the director and E Wa 2 Wang (ph) and ask her to contact -- talk to my son ನ and to pay for the shoes. ਪੁ How does the shoe company get the money? o ്ഥ The shoe store. 6 I don't know. Usually, it's E Wa Wang and A r communicate, because my English ability is not છ capable to communicate. ರಿ If you went to a store, tried on shoes, இ and wanted to take them home from the store, how 10 would you pay for the shoes? The befor 11 12 A In the recent few years I basically never bought a pair of shoes. I had and 13 . 14 Q What was the last thing you paid for? A Recently, I didn't go to buy anything. 15 16 MR. BALDIGA: I'm sorry. Could you repeat 17 that? THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Recently, I 18 19 didn't go to buy anything. 20 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 21 Q My question wasn't recently. My question 22 was, what was the last thing that you purchased? I don't remember. 23 A 24 Q Do you ever eat in a restaurant? 25 A Recent years, I didn't.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 ટે વે 1 Before COVID 19, did you eat in\n2 restaurants? ന A Very rare because I was afraid to be ধ killed by the people behind me, because I was always 5 in the process getting chased. ് When you ate in a restaurant, were you the o 7 person who paid the bill? 8 A I don't have money to pay, so that's why I ் don't go there. 10 Q Mr. Kwok, if you wanted to go buy a cup of 11 coffee, how would you pay for it? 12 A I never bought a cup of coffee. I was --13 I'm afraid the people behind me might poison me in 1 4 the coffee. 15 Mr. Kwok, if you wanted to buy water, ै 16 you're out and about and you want to buy water, how 17 would you pay for it? Well, since 2107, I don't -- I didn't go 18 A 19 out to buy water outside. 20 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: There was a 21 (indiscernible) difference in the nuance. 22 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you -- can 23 you repeat it -- can you repeat --24 THE WITNESS: Since 2017, I never went 25 1 outside, walk around, and then buy water or coffee.\n\nument 312-2 Filed 04/30\n\n|                                                                 | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 55                    |                                            |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------|\n| 1                                                               | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                  |                                            |\n| 2                                                               | Q Mr. Kwok, do you have any interest in any       |                                            |\n| 3                                                               | mutual funds?                                     |                                            |\n| 4                                                               | A No.                                             |                                            |\n| 5                                                               | Q Do you own any bonds?                           |                                            |\n| 6                                                               | A No.                                             |                                            |\n| 7                                                               | Q Do you own any publically traded stock in       |                                            |\n| 8                                                               | any company?                                      |                                            |\n| 9                                                               | A No.                                             |                                            |\n| 10                                                              | Q Do you own any cars?                            |                                            |\n| 11                                                              | A No.                                             |                                            |\n| 12                                                              | Q Do you have access to any cars?                 |                                            |\n| 13                                                              | A Yes.                                            |                                            |\n| 14                                                              | Q And whose cars do you have access to?           |                                            |\n| 15                                                              | A My son's and Golden Springs.                    |                                            |\n| 16                                                              | Q Does Golden Spring provide you with a car       |                                            |\n| 17                                                              | that's yours to use?                              |                                            |\n| 18                                                              | A Yes.                                            |                                            |\n| 19                                                              | Q What kind of car is that?                       |                                            |\n| 20                                                              | A Maybach                                         |                                            |\n| 21                                                              | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Maybach.                 |                                            |\n| 22                                                              | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Huh?                    |                                            |\n| 23                                                              | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Maybach.                 |                                            |\n| 24                                                              | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Maybach? Okay.          |                                            |\n| 25                                                              | I don't know the name of it. I was                |                                            |\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 <span style=\"float:right\">56</span> |                                                   |                                            |\n| 1                                                               |                                                   | THE WITNESS: Maybach.                      |\n| 2                                                               |                                                   | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                           |\n| 3                                                               | Q                                                 | Mr. Kwok, do you have a driver's license?  |\n| 4                                                               | A                                                 | I have a Hong Kong's driver's license.     |\n| 5                                                               | Q                                                 | Do you drive in the United States?         |\n| 6                                                               | A                                                 | Almost no.                                 |\n| 7                                                               | Q                                                 | When you do drive, whose car do you drive? |\n| 8                                                               | A                                                 | Golden Spring's.                           |\n| 9                                                               | Q                                                 | Do you keep a car at your Greenwich        |\n| 10                                                              |                                                   | residence?                                 |\n| 11                                                              | A                                                 | Yes.                                       |\n| 12                                                              | Q                                                 | And what car is that?                      |\n| 13                                                              | A                                                 | Maybach.                                   |\n| 14                                                              | Q                                                 | Do you own any aircraft?                   |\n| 15                                                              | A                                                 | No.                                        |\n| 16                                                              | Q                                                 | Have you ever owned any aircraft?          |\n| 17                                                              | A                                                 | Before, yes.                               |\n| 18                                                              | Q                                                 | When did you own aircraft?                 |\n| 19                                                              | A                                                 | Probably 2010 to 2016.                     |\n| 20                                                              | Q                                                 | How many air craft did you own?            |\n| 21                                                              | A                                                 | One.                                       |\n| 22                                                              | Q                                                 | And what was it?                           |\n| 23                                                              | A                                                 | Airbus 319. 319.                           |\n| 24                                                              | Q                                                 | And what happened to the Airbus 319?       |\n| 25                                                              | A                                                 | It was confiscated by UBS and the Chinese  |\n|                                                                 | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 57                    |                                            |\n| 1                                                               | Communist Party.                                  |                                            |\n| 2                                                               | Q Okay. Do you own any water craft?               |                                            |\n| 3                                                               | A No.                                             |                                            |\n| 4                                                               | Q Who owns the yacht known as the Lady May?       |                                            |\n| 5                                                               | A My daughter.                                    |                                            |\n| 6                                                               | Q Does your daughter own the Lady May in her      |                                            |\n| 7                                                               | personal name?                                    |                                            |\n| 8                                                               | A Should be from a company.                       |                                            |\n| 9                                                               | Q And what is the name of the company that        |                                            |\n| 10                                                              | owns the Lady May?                                |                                            |\n| 11                                                              | A I don't know.                                   |                                            |\n| 12                                                              | Q Where is the Lady May currently?                |                                            |\n| 13                                                              | A I don't know.                                   |                                            |\n| 14                                                              | Q Since the bankruptcy filing, have you           |                                            |\n| 15                                                              | asked your daughter to return the Lady May to New |                                            |\n| 16                                                              | York?                                             |                                            |\n| 17                                                              | A I did ask her and asked her to talk to her      |                                            |\n| 18                                                              | attorney to return the boat back to New York.     |                                            |\n| 19                                                              | Q When did you have that conversation?            |                                            |\n| 20                                                              | A Last month, after the court date. After         |                                            |\n| 21                                                              | met with you.                                     |                                            |\n| 22                                                              | Q And what did your daughter say?                 |                                            |\n| 23                                                              | A She said that she would talk to her             |                                            |\n| 24                                                              | attorney and then talk to my attorney.            |                                            |\n| 25                                                              | Q Did your daughter agree to have the Lady        |                                            |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n58 Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 1 May return to New York? 2 She was not willing to talk to me in any A detail. She want -- she wanted to talk to her က র্ব attorney. 5 Q Did your daughter say no to your request 6 that she return the Lady May to New York? No, he didn't -- she didn't. 7 A THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: The question was 8 9 not completely interpreted. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I know, but she 10 -- she already -- he already answered and ---11 MR. BALDIGA: Wait until he finishes. 12 13 THE WITNESS: No, he -- no. 14 BY MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, do you own or have an interest 15 ဝ 16 in any trust? 17 A No . Are you the beneficiary of any trusts? 18 ੁ 19 A No . This is a long question. Mr. Kwok, where 20 റ്റ is the \\$12,000 check paid to you in connection with 21 22 your lawsuit against Baosheng Guo? It's in attorney's escrow account. 23 A What is the name of the attorney who is 24 റ 25 1 holding the check?\n\nge 60 of 134\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 59 |   |                                                   |\n|--------------------------------|---|---------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                              | A | I can't pronounce the attorney's name             |\n| 2                              |   | completely.                                       |\n| 3                              | Q | What is the attorney's first name?                |\n| 4                              | A | I cannot -- I'm not able to read out the -        |\n| 5                              |   | - the pronounce his name.                         |\n| 6                              | Q | Is the attorney who's holding the check           |\n| 7                              |   | the same attorney who represented you in that     |\n| 8                              |   | lawsuit?                                          |\n| 9                              | A | It should be.                                     |\n| 10                             | Q | On your Schedule A-B, you did not disclose        |\n| 11                             |   | that \\$12,000 check. Why?                         |\n| 12                             |   | MR. BALDIGA: Wait for a question. No.             |\n| 13                             |   | Could he interpret that?                          |\n| 14                             |   | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                  |\n| 15                             | Q | Why did you not disclose that \\$12,000            |\n| 16                             |   | check?                                            |\n| 17                             | A | My attorney thinks because the money is           |\n| 18                             |   | not in my account, so I'm not allowed to -- we're |\n| 19                             |   | not -- I'm not supposed to disclose that.         |\n| 20                             | Q | Okay. Mr. Kwok, do you have any patents?          |\n| 21                             | A | No.                                               |\n| 22                             | Q | Do you have any copyrights?                       |\n| 23                             | A | No.                                               |\n| 24                             | Q | Do you have any intellectual property of          |\n| 25                             |   | any kind?                                         |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n୧୦ Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 1 A No . 2 MR. BALDIGA: Excuse me. Holley, I'm not sure if you're qoing to come back to it, but there 3 র্বা is a reference to the \\$12,000. 5 MS. CLAIBORN: I did see that. MR. BALDIGA: Oh, you said he didn't િ 7 disclose it. MS. CLAIBORN: He did not. It's not in 8 response to the questions on Schedule A-B. 9 10 MR. BALDIGA: It's right there. 11 MS. CLAIBORN: We can disagree about whether or not it's disclosed, but it's my position 12 that it's not disclosed. I understand you might 13 । take a different position. 15 BY MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, do you own any interest in a 16 company called Ace Decade Holdings Limited? 17 18 A Yes. What is the nature of your ownership 19 ဝ interest in Ace Decade Holdings Limited? 20 So I have the interest and ask for UBS to 21 A pay back \\$500 million. That kind of interest. 22 23 Q Are you the only legal owner of Ace Decade 24 Holdings Limited? 25 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Are you the\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 61 |                                                     |\n|--------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                              | only -- can you repeat that question?               |\n| 2                              | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                    |\n| 3                              | Q Are you the only legal owner of Ace               |\n| 4                              | Decades?                                            |\n| 5                              | A I am a legal representing owner.                  |\n| 6                              | Q Are there any other owners of Ace Decade?         |\n| 7                              | A No.                                               |\n| 8                              | Q When did you become an owner of Ace Decade        |\n| 9                              | Holdings Limited?                                   |\n| 10                             | A At the end of 2014.                               |\n| 11                             | Q This is a long question. In your                  |\n| 12                             | litigation in London against UBS, you are an        |\n| 13                             | individual plaintiff. What is the basis for your    |\n| 14                             | claim as an individual plaintiff?                   |\n| 15                             | A Because I'm the 100 percent representative        |\n| 16                             | for Ace Decade.                                     |\n| 17                             | Q In the litigation against UBS in London,          |\n| 18                             | there is an allegation that Ace Decade gave \\$500   |\n| 19                             | million to Dawn State Limited. Where did Ace Decade |\n| 20                             | get the \\$500 million?                              |\n| 21                             | A I loan from my family.                            |\n| 22                             | Q Did you borrow money from your family and         |\n| 23                             | give it to Ace Decade?                              |\n| 24                             | A Yes.                                              |\n| 25                             | MS. CLAIBORN: I don't think that                    |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 62 ﺒﻴﺒ let's start over, because I don't think that was --2 that was --ന THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Yeah, I thought বা that it was --5 MS. CLAIBORN: -- that was the question, because it didn't involve Dawn State --6 7 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Yes. ထ MS. CLAIBORN: -- so I'm qoing to start ி over. 10 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 11 Where did you get the money to give to Ace 12 Decade, the 500 million? MR. BALDIGA: I don't think he said he did 13 14 that. I think he said his family did that, but you can ask that, but I --15 THE WITNESS: From my family. 16 17 BY MS. CLAIBORN: Who specifically in your family gave you 18 o 19 | money that you then gave to Ace Decade? 20 A John Way (ph) . 21 ್ನ Who is John Way? 22 A A member from my family. 23 Is he a relative of yours? റ്റു 24 It's my older brother's cousin or --A 25 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Son-in-law.\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 63                                  |                                                      |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                                                               | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Son-in-law?                |\n| 2                                                               | Okay. Sorry.                                         |\n| 3                                                               | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 4                                                               | Q On your Schedule A-B, you list a possible          |\n| 5                                                               | malpractice claim against Boise Schiller. Can you    |\n| 6                                                               | please explain what that is?                         |\n| 7                                                               | A He was the one -- he was the one                   |\n| 8                                                               | represented me in New York to have a lawsuit against |\n| 9                                                               | UBS. He gave a lot of forced documents to the Court  |\n| 10                                                              | and without my permission. He also threatened my     |\n| 11                                                              | family. He also threaten myself after drinking. He   |\n| 12                                                              | brought a lot of loss to us, including providing any |\n| 13                                                              | English/Chinese translated documents to me before    |\n| 14                                                              | present them to the -- to the lawyer, or to the      |\n| 15                                                              | judge. That's why I -- that's why we sue him.        |\n| 16                                                              | Q Have you hired an attorney to represent            |\n| 17                                                              | you in that malpractice action?                      |\n| 18                                                              | A My son is in the process of dealing with           |\n| 19                                                              | that.                                                |\n| 20                                                              | Q Why is your son talking to lawyers about           |\n| 21                                                              | your malpractice claim?                              |\n| 22                                                              | A Because I need to borrow money from him.           |\n| 23                                                              | Q Has a lawyer been selected?                        |\n| 24                                                              | A Not yet.                                           |\n| 25                                                              | Q Mr. Kwok, do you own an interest in any            |\n| 1                                                               | company aside from Ace Decade?                       |\n| 2                                                               | A No, but the -- I own the Bravo Luck, the           |\n| 3                                                               | apartment, only for a few months, some of the        |\n| 4                                                               | interest. And because the apartment is a co-op, so   |\n| 5                                                               | they used my name to buy the apartment after I --    |\n| 6                                                               | after we bought apartment, and then we returned the  |\n| 7                                                               | stock interest back.                                 |\n| 8                                                               | UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I'm sorry. He must             |\n| 9                                                               | have spoken for 30, 40 seconds. Clearly said more    |\n| 10                                                              | than that. Is there a more fulsome translation?      |\n| 11                                                              | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Did I miss                 |\n| 12                                                              | anything?                                            |\n| 13                                                              | MS. CLAIBORN: Let me see if I can follow             |\n| 14                                                              | up.                                                  |\n| 15                                                              | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 16                                                              | Q Mr. Kwok, do you own, currently, an                |\n| 17                                                              | interest in Bravo Luck?                              |\n| 18                                                              | A No.                                                |\n| 19                                                              | Q Mr. Kwok, do you own an interest in any            |\n| 20                                                              | limited liability company?                           |\n| 21                                                              | A No.                                                |\n| 22                                                              | Q Mr. Kwok, do you own an interest in any            |\n| 23                                                              | partnership?                                         |\n| 24                                                              | A I used to own the plane company called the         |\n| 25                                                              | Orange or Shiny Time, but that was before and        |\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 <span style=\"float:right\">65</span> |                                                      |\n| 1                                                               | doesn't exist anymore.                               |\n| 2                                                               | Q Mr. Kwok, do you currently own an interest         |\n| 3                                                               | in any partnership?                                  |\n| 4                                                               | A No.                                                |\n| 5                                                               | Q Mr. Kwok, do you currently own an interest         |\n| 6                                                               | in any joint venture?                                |\n| 7                                                               | A No.                                                |\n| 8                                                               | Q Other than Ace Decade, do you own an               |\n| 9                                                               | interest in any other company right now?             |\n| 10                                                              | A No. I only owned the Orange and Shiny              |\n| 11                                                              | Time before, but not right now.                      |\n| 12                                                              | Q Does Golden Spring New York have a                 |\n| 13                                                              | security interest in any of your litigation?         |\n| 14                                                              | A I owe them money.                                  |\n| 15                                                              | Q Have you granted to Golden Spring New              |\n| 16                                                              | York, any interest in any of your assets, anything   |\n| 17                                                              | that you own?                                        |\n| 18                                                              | A No.                                                |\n| 19                                                              | Q So if you were to win a lawsuit against            |\n| 20                                                              | Golden Spring -- sorry. Wrong name. So if you were   |\n| 21                                                              | to win a lawsuit against UBS, would any of the money |\n| 22                                                              | that you win have to be paid to Golden Spring?       |\n| 23                                                              | A Yes.                                               |\n| 24                                                              | Q And how much would that be?                        |\n| 25                                                              | A Before it was 2,200 million, or                    |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nર વ\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 66 1 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: 21 million. 2. THE WITNESS: 21 million. 21 million and က plus now. Probably it's about 300 million. 30 যা million. Or 30 million. Yeah. 5 BY MS. CLAIBORN: 6 o Is there a document that says that any 7 litigation winnings you receive need to be paid to 8 Golden Spring? ರು A Yes . What is the name of that document? 10 o THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I'm going to 11 12 ask him to repeat it. 13 I didn't get it. I just ask him to break 14 it down, then I didn't hear what --15 THE WITNESS: I have a case in DC. There is a attorney office representing me for political 16 17 asylum and it was attacked by the cyber attack from 18 the Chinese Communists, and so they -- the attorney 19 office was closed, and they gave my personal information to the communist party, and then I sue 20 21 them. And that litigation fee, attorney fee, came 22 from Golden Spring New York. 23 I ask for the settlement for 50,000 -- \\$50 million. If I won that money, I will give the money 24 25 - 1 back to Golden Springs for the money they supported\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 | 67                                                   |\n|-----------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                           | me for attorney fees.                                |\n| 2                           | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Mr. Kwok did not            |\n| 3                           | say settlement. Mr. Kwok just say, for a claim, not  |\n| 4                           | a settlement.                                        |\n| 5                           | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: You're asking              |\n| 6                           | for \\$50 million. Yeah. He ask for \\$50 million for  |\n| 7                           | that lawsuit, and if he win -- if he wins the money, |\n| 8                           | then he will return the money back to the Golden     |\n| 9                           | Spring New York.                                     |\n| 10                          | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 11                          | Q My question was, what was the name of the          |\n| 12                          | document under which you would be repaying Golden    |\n| 13                          | Spring for your litigation?                          |\n| 14                          | A The document is the document I --                  |\n| 15                          | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat             |\n| 16                          | that one?                                            |\n| 17                          | THE WITNESS: The agreement is -- it's the            |\n| 18                          | agreement, I borrowed the money from Golden Spring   |\n| 19                          | New York to sue the attorney office.                 |\n| 20                          | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 21                          | Q And what is the name of the agreement?             |\n| 22                          | A I don't remember.                                  |\n| 23                          | Q Is it a promissory note?                           |\n| 24                          | A I don't remember.                                  |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 68 I don't remember clearly. 1 A 2 ੂ Who prepared the document? က A Attorney. What was the name of the attorney who র্ব o prepared the document? ഹ 6 A Melissa. 7 What is Melissa's last name? Q 8 A I don't know. ੇ o Did Melissa the attorney represent you in 10 drafting that document? 11 A Yes . And who represented Golden Spring in 12 Q 13 drafting that document? 14 A I don't know. 15 ্ৰ Did Golden Spring have any attorney? 16 A Yes . 17 You just don't remember who it was? O 18 ਧੋ They have a lot of attorneys. 19 റു Is there more than one written agreement under which you owe money to Golden Spring New York? 20 21 A Yes . 22 ್ತ How many agreements are there? 23 Kind of two or three, or three or four. I A 24 don't remember clearly. 25 Q And does someone keep track of the money\n\nDocument 312-\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 69\n\n1 that you borrow from Golden Spring New York?\n2 A My attorney will write it down. We record\n3 it.\n4 Q What's the name of that attorney?\n5 A Aaron Mitchell.\n6 Q Did you say Aaron Mitchell?\n7 A Oh, yes.\n8 Q And how does Aaron Mitchell keep track of\n9 the monies that you borrow from Golden Spring New\n10 York?\n11 A In detail, I don't know.\n12 Q Does anyone who is employed by Golden\n13 Spring New York keep track of the money that you\n14 borrow from Golden Spring New York?\n15 A I don't know.\n16 Q Have you ever seen a document from\n17 Attorney Aaron Mitchell showing how much you owe to\n18 Golden Spring New York?\n19 A This is the thing I -- it's something\n20 between me and my attorney I shouldn't answer.\n21 MR. BALDIGA: Can I -- I mean --\n22 MS. CLAIBORN: I don't think the question\n23 involves --\n24 MR. BALDIGA: You can --\n25 MS. CLAIBORN: -- a privileged answer.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 70                       |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | MR. BALDIGA: That's -- give me a second.             |\n| 2  | You could answer that last question yes or no, so if |\n| 3  | you ask again, I think he will say yes or no, and    |\n| 4  | then we can take it step by step.                    |\n| 5  | BY MS. CLAIBORN:                                     |\n| 6  | Q Have you ever seen a document prepared by          |\n| 7  | Attorney Mitchell that shows you how much money you  |\n| 8  | have borrowed from Golden Spring?                    |\n| 9  | MR. BALDIGA: Wait. Wait, my instruction              |\n| 10 | needs to be interpreted.                             |\n| 11 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: What?                      |\n| 12 | MS. CLAIBORN: Can you --                             |\n| 13 | MR. BALDIGA: You need to instruct --                 |\n| 14 | MS. CLAIBORN: Just please state it and               |\n| 15 | he'll reinterpret.                                   |\n| 16 | MR. BALDIGA: Please, tell the witness                |\n| 17 | what -- I am telling the witness he may answer yes   |\n| 18 | or no only.                                          |\n| 19 | THE WITNESS: Yes.                                    |\n| 20 | MS. CLAIBORN: I have other questions, but            |\n| 21 | given the hour of the day, I thought that we could   |\n| 22 | take a short break and then reconvene with creditors |\n| 23 | being given the opportunity to ask questions.        |\n| 24 | I suggest we reconvene at 1:15.                      |\n| 25 | MR. BALDIGA: Is that okay?                           |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n70\n\nn\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 71\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: Okay. Thank you. We'll\nreconvene at 1:15.\n\n(Recess.)\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: The recording has been\nreconvened. We are back in session after a short\nbreak and Mr. Kwok, you remain under oath.\nAnd that this point, Mr. Wolman has some\nquestions for you, Mr. Kwok.\n\nEXAMINATION BY MR. WOLMAN:\n\nQ Good afternoon, Mr. Kwok.\nOn March 21st I was asking you some\nquestions about a prior deposition, specifically\nabout the times you had invoked your rights under\nthe Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.\nOn April 1st, 2021, were you being\ninvestigated for any crime?\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: April 21st?\n\nMR. WOLMAN: April 1st, 2021.\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat\nthat question, sir?\n\nQ Were you being investigated for any crime?\n\nA From SET -- American SET and the\ninvestigating GTV and they can communicate with our\nattorney.\n\nQ Are you referring to the Securities and\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 72 r + Exchange Commission? 2 A Yes . က Q And what exactly were they investigating? বা MR. BALDIGA: Objection. ഹ I need to ask whether this would reveal 6 privileged information. 7 Would your answer to the last question be 8 information from your attorneys? 9 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Can I just --10 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: She wants to 77 help. 12 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Because he's not 13 14 MS. CLAIBORN: I think you should just try 15 again. Mr. Baldiga, maybe you can just repeat 16 yourself and Mr. Jack, you can try again. 17 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat 18 what you want to say? 19 MR. BALDIGA: Mr. Wolman asked you what 20 you were being investigated for. Is the information 21 that you know, was that provided to you by your 22 attorneys? 23 THE WITNESS: Yes. 24 MR. BALDIGA: And to answer the question 25\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 73\n\nattorneys?\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Have to be what?\nDivulged?\nMR. BALDIGA: Would you have to say what\nyou were told by your attorneys?\nTHE WITNESS: Yes.\nMR. BALDIGA: Then I instruct the witness\nnot to answer on the basis of the attorney/client\nprivilege.\nMR. WOLMAN: That is not attorney/client\ninformation.\nMR. BALDIGA: Hold on. Let it be\ninterpreted.\nMR. WOLMAN: Information learned from an\nattorney that is not specifically a communication\nfor the purpose of giving advice or receiving\ninformation is not privileged information. If your\nattorneys says the sky is blue, that is not a\nprivileged communication.\nMR. BALDIGA: His is arguing with me.\nThere is not question to you.\nMR. WOLMAN: Mr. Baldiga, will you\ncontinue to instruct your client to improperly\ninvoke the attorney/client privilege?\nMR. BALDIGA: I'll instruct on a question\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 74 1 by question basis. 2 MR. WOLMAN: And this question, will you က maintain the instruction? বী Mr. Kwok, are you refusing to answer my 5 question? 6 THE WITNESS: Yes. 7 MR. WOLMAN: And on what basis are you ထ refusing to answer my question? ರು MR. BALDIGA: On the basis of instruction 10 from counsel on account of attorney/client 11 privilege. 12 THE WITNESS: Because I can't answer the 13 question because of the privilege between the 14 attorney and me. 15 BY MR. WOLMAN: 16 Q Have you been formally charged by the 17 Securities and Exchange Commission? 18 A No . 19 Q Has the Securities and Exchange Commission 20 closed its investigation of you? 21 MR. BALDIGA: I have to ask again, you can 22 - 1 answer that yes or no, if you know. 23 A No . 24 Q Has the Securities and Exchange Commission 25 ' brought any charges against GTV?\n\nFiled 04/30/24\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 75\n\n1 A I don't know.\n2 Q Have you been in the past five years\n3 subject to an audit by the U.S. Internal Revenue\n4 Service?\n5 A No.\n6 Q In the last five years have you been\n7 subject to an audit by the New York State taxing\n8 authority?\n9 A No.\n10 Q When did you become a resident of\n11 Connecticut? On what date?\n12 A The beginning of March, 2020, roughly.\n13 Q To be clear, you say you were a resident\n14 of Connecticut in March of 2020?\n15 A Yes.\n16 Q So how come in Mr. Cheng, my client's,\n17 lawsuit against you you signed a statement under\n18 oath indicating that you were a resident of the\n19 Sherry Netherlands Hotel?\n20 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat\n21 that, counsel?\n22 Q If you were a resident of Connecticut in\n23 March of 2020, you signed a statement under oath in\n24 Mr. Cheng's lawsuit against you that you resided at\n25 the Sherry Netherlands Hotel.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 76 1 A I don't 100 percent live in Connecticut, 2 but sometimes I live in New York also. ന Q When did you start living in Connecticut বা more than 50 percent of the time? 5 A Since March, 2020. ર റ്റ You had some assets you claim seized by 7 China, correct? 8 A It's not mine. It's from my family. It's த my family's. 10 ্ত Have you ever had assets seized by China? 11 A You're talking about under my name? 12 O Yes. 13 A No . 14 ್ತ All right. In 2010, what was your 15 personal net worth? 16 A No . 17 Q That wasn't a yes or no question. 18 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can I repeat 19 your question again? 20 MR. WOLMAN: Yes. 21 ு In 2010 what was your personal net worth? 22 A I didn't have any property. 23 Have you ever had property in your name Q 24 over \\$1 million and by that I include where you 25 ' owned an interest in a company that interest,\n\n312-2 Filed 04/30\n\n|                                | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                        | 77                                                  |\n|--------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                              |                                                    | therefore, contributes to your work?                |\n| 2                              | A                                                  | Before 2000, yes.                                   |\n| 3                              | Q                                                  | Okay. What was your net worth in 1999?              |\n| 4                              | A                                                  | I never calculate in detail.                        |\n| 5                              | Q                                                  | What would you estimate it as?                      |\n| 6                              | A                                                  | Roughly around 100 million.                         |\n| 7                              | Q                                                  | And what happened to that \\$100 million             |\n| 8                              |                                                    | worth of assets?                                    |\n| 9                              | A                                                  | Because in 2000 I got a Hong Kong passport          |\n| 10                             |                                                    | and in China and they don't allow me to have any    |\n| 11                             |                                                    | property, asset.                                    |\n| 12                             | Q                                                  | Have you abandoned all claims to whatever           |\n| 13                             |                                                    | assets you had in 1999?                             |\n| 14                             | A                                                  | Yes.                                                |\n| 15                             | Q                                                  | Why have you abandoned your claims?                 |\n| 16                             |                                                    | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Abandoned what?           |\n| 17                             | Q                                                  | Your claim to those assets?                         |\n| 18                             | A                                                  | Because I was not allowed to have any               |\n| 19                             |                                                    | assets in China.                                    |\n| 20                             | Q                                                  | If China changed its policy, would you              |\n| 21                             |                                                    | have any right or ability to get those assets back? |\n| 22                             |                                                    | MR. BALDIGA: Objection. If you know, you            |\n| 23                             |                                                    | can answer.                                         |\n| 24                             | A                                                  | I don't know.                                       |\n| 25                             | Q                                                  | What was your largest asset in 1999?                |\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 78 |                                                    |                                                     |\n| 1                              | A There was the assets from a hotel, equity        |                                                     |\n| 2                              | interest of a hotel in China.                      |                                                     |\n| 3                              | Q And who holds that interest now?                 |                                                     |\n| 4                              | A Chinese Community Party.                         |                                                     |\n| 5                              | Q Is it held in the name of the Party?             |                                                     |\n| 6                              | A China only has one autocrat government,          |                                                     |\n| 7                              | the party, and our family's assets were taken --   |                                                     |\n| 8                              | were seized by them.                               |                                                     |\n| 9                              | Q How did your son become wealthy enough to        |                                                     |\n| 10                             | fund Golden Spring and Lamp Capital?               |                                                     |\n| 11                             | A Because he started very early to do              |                                                     |\n| 12                             | investment and also bring brand names to China.    |                                                     |\n| 13                             | Q Where did he get the money for his               |                                                     |\n| 14                             | investment?                                        |                                                     |\n| 15                             | A I don't know.                                    |                                                     |\n| 16                             | Q Ms. Claiborn asked you about agreements          |                                                     |\n| 17                             | with Golden Spring and you could not identify who  |                                                     |\n| 18                             | the lawyer was for Golden Spring. Do you remember  |                                                     |\n| 19                             | that?                                              |                                                     |\n| 20                             | A True.                                            |                                                     |\n| 21                             | Q I'd like to try to refresh -- to ask you         |                                                     |\n| 22                             | potentially to refresh your memory was it a lawyer |                                                     |\n| 23                             | named Daniel?                                      |                                                     |\n| 24                             | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He's asking              |                                                     |\n| 25                             | Daniel?                                            |                                                     |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 79\n1 Q Yes, Daniel Pedolsky.\n2 A Yes, probably and he used to be Golden\n3 Spring attorney and my personal attorney.\n4 Q Did you execute a waiver of conflict of\n5 interest with Mr. Pedolsky?\n6 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat\n7 that?\n8 Q Did you execute a waiver of conflict of\n9 interest with Attorney Daniel Pedolsky?\n10 A I don't remember.\n11 Q You mentioned two or three -- or three or\n12 four agreements with Golden Spring. Can you identify\n13 each of those agreements?\n14 A I'm not sure.\n15 Q Can you describe the purpose of each of\n16 those agreements?\n17 A That loan from Golden Spring is to have a\n18 settlement with Logan Cheng.\n19 Q And did you take out a loan to pay the\n20 lawyers to sue Logan Cheng?\n21 A I don't remember.\n22 Q And what were the other agreements, other\n23 than with Mr. Cheng?\n24 A From D.C. -- the attorney's office from\n25 D.C. collect (indiscernible) I don't remember the\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 80 1 name . 2 MR. WOLMAN: All right. Thank you and က this time I have to go but thank you. I'll try to ്ച് dial in. MS. CLAIBORN: Thank you. 5 6 Can I ask whoever is on the line if they 7 could mute themselves, because they can hear you 8 typing. All right. Who else would like to ask ் 10 questions? Mr. Harbach. Go ahead, Mr. Harbach. 11 MR. HARBACH: Thank you. For the record, 12 13 I'm David Harbach with O'Melveny and Meyers and I 14 represent PAACS. 15 EXAMINATION BY MR. HARBACH: Q Mr. Kwok, I'd like to ask some clarifying 16 17 questions based on questions that Ms. Claiborn asked 18 you today. 19 Earlier today she asked you if you owned 20 any foreign currency and you said no. She also asked you if you owned any digital currency and you 21 22 said no. 23 My question is have you ever ordered or directed the purchase of either foreign currency or 24 25 ' diqital currency on behalf of any entity?\n\nCase 1:23-cr-00118-AT D\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 81                       |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat             |\n| 2  | that?                                                |\n| 3  | MR. HARBACH: Sure.                                   |\n| 4  | Q My question is whether you have ordered or         |\n| 5  | directed the purchase of any foreign currency or any |\n| 6  | digital currency on behalf of any entity?            |\n| 7  | A What you mean direct?                              |\n| 8  | Q Have you directed anyone to purchase               |\n| 9  | foreign currency or digital currency?                |\n| 10 | A No.                                                |\n| 11 | Q Ms. Claiborn asked you a couple of                 |\n| 12 | questions about access to credit cards and debit     |\n| 13 | cards. And I want to make sure that we have your     |\n| 14 | answer clear, because she asked you not whether you  |\n| 15 | had any credit cards but whether you had any access  |\n| 16 | to credit cards. I want to make sure that you        |\n| 17 | understand the difference.                           |\n| 18 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He's just asking           |\n| 19 | why you want to represent Ms. Holley's asked         |\n| 20 | questions.                                           |\n| 21 | MR. HARBACH: I'm just trying to remind               |\n| 22 | you of a question she asked you earlier today, sir.  |\n| 23 | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I don't                     |\n| 24 | understand the question.                             |\n| 25 | MR. BALDIGA: Mr. Baldiga's right.                    |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 82 1 There's not a question pending. 2 The question is do you understand the റ്റു ന difference between having a credit card and having বা access to a credit card? 5 A I believe I don't have. ર્ભ O You don't understand the difference? 7 -A I don't know much. ထ Okay. Well, let me give you an example. റു Let's talk about the Maybach. 10 I believe that you represented to us today 11 that you have access to the Maybach for 12 transportation. Is that correct? 13 । ਸ Yes . ਹੈ ਕੇ ্ But I believe it's also your position that 15 you do not own the Maybach. Isn't that right? 16 A Yes . 17 In other words, your position is the ੁ 18 Maybach is not yours, right? 19 A Yes. 20 റ Okay. So I use that example to illustrate 21 the example between owning something and having 22 access to something. Does that help you? Do you 23 understand the difference? 24 A Now I understand you. 25 ဝ Okay. Thank you. So returning to the\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\n4\n\nട്\n\nર\n\n7\n\n8\n\nਉ\n\n10\n\n11\n\n83\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\nquestion about credit cards and debit cards. Do you have access to any credit cards or debit cards, whether or not they are yours?\n\nA I don't understand the difference what he means, access like if I use it myself or if I have somebody else use it.\n\nQ Well, let's take those one at a time. Let's begin with using it yourself. Has any member of your family ever provided you a credit card or a credit card number to use for yourself?\n\n> A : I never used.\n\n12 Q The other example you mentioned was 13 perhaps a member of your family using a credit card on your behalf. Is that something that has 14 15 happened?\n\n16 A - What do you mean represent me to use? 17\nI'm asking about whether to your knowledge 18 any member of your family has ever used a credit 19 card or a debit card to purchase things for you?\n\n20 A My son, my daughter, my wife. They all 21 have credit card to buy things for me.\n\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: The witness did 22 23 | not say that, use the credit card to buy things for 24 me. The witness said that my son, my wife bought 25 things for me.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 8 4 1 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah, they used 2 their card and they both -- they all have it. They က all have the cards. That's what he said. ರ್ (Repeats interpretation) ഗ THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yes, I did it ে right. 7 THE WITNESS: And so my wife and my son ထ and my daughter have their own cards and also other 9 | family members use their cards to buy things for me. 10 Q Is that ever at your direction? No . 11 A 12 Q Never. 13 ಗೆ No . 14 റ്റു Is it at your request? 15 A No . 16 Is Yan Ping Wang, the same as Yvette Wang? ு 17 ಗೆ Yes. Earlier Ms. Claiborn asked you about 18 ு 19 - 1 Golden Spring Hong Kong. 20 You told her that your son owns it. Do 21 you recall that? 22 A Yes . 23 My question for you is since when has your റ്റു 24 son owned Golden Spring Hong Kong? 25 A I don't know.\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 <span style=\"float:right\">85</span> |                                                      |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                                                               | Q Has anyone else besides your son ever              |\n| 2                                                               | owned an interest in Golden Spring Hong Kong?        |\n| 3                                                               | A I don't remember.                                  |\n| 4                                                               | Q You also said that you didn't remember             |\n| 5                                                               | whether you were ever a corporate officer of Golden  |\n| 6                                                               | Spring Hong Kong?                                    |\n| 7                                                               | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat             |\n| 8                                                               | that one?                                            |\n| 9                                                               | Q You also said that you did not remember            |\n| 10                                                              | whether you were ever a corpora officer of Golden    |\n| 11                                                              | Spring Hong Kong? Does that mean that it is          |\n| 12                                                              | possible that you were and you're just not certain?  |\n| 13                                                              | A I don't remember.                                  |\n| 14                                                              | Q Ms. Claiborn asked you in a few different          |\n| 15                                                              | ways about whether you know how Golden Spring New    |\n| 16                                                              | York is funded or makes money.                       |\n| 17                                                              | Since when has Golden Spring been paying             |\n| 18                                                              | your personal living expenses?                       |\n| 19                                                              | A 2015.                                              |\n| 20                                                              | Q So six or seven years approximately?               |\n| 21                                                              | A Since 2015 and that there was a person             |\n| 22                                                              | called Bruno Wu from Mainland China and called my    |\n| 23                                                              | family, my son, daughter and wife and so since then  |\n| 24                                                              | I start spending money coming from Golden Spring New |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 8 6 rt THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I don't think 2 the witness says some. 3 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: What? বা THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: I don't think ഗ the witness said some. 6 THE WITNESS: Not including the son that 7 they caught, my wife and daughter and a lot of my ထ family members, but not my son. ੇ So approximately six or seven years that o 10 Golden Spring has been paying your personal 11 expenses. Is that right? 12 A Yes . 13 Q During those six or seven years did you 14 never discuss with any of your family members where 15 the money was coming from? 16 A Because a lot of my family members were caught by -- were arrested by your client, Bruno Wu, 17 18 and so I have no communication. I cannot communicate 19 with him. 20 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Not exactly. The 21 partner of PAACS -- the partner who the counsel was 22 represented, PAACS -- partner of PAACS --23 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I don't know. 24 He didn't mention anything about PAACS. 25 THE WITNESS: So it's the other attorney\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\n| 1  | representing the client, Bruno Wu, arrested a lot of |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2  | your family members. Your client's past partner,     |\n| 3  | one of the partners, (indiscernible) Bruno Wu and    |\n| 4  | arrested a lot of your family members so you can't   |\n| 5  | communicate with them.                               |\n| 6  | Q At any time since 2015 have you been in            |\n| 7  | communication with your daughter, or your wife, or   |\n| 8  | your son?                                            |\n| 9  | A Yes.                                               |\n| 10 | Q At any time that you've been in                    |\n| 11 | communication with any of those three individuals    |\n| 12 | did you ever ask them about where Golden Spring's    |\n| 13 | money was coming from?                               |\n| 14 | A Yes, I asked.                                      |\n| 15 | Q And who did you ask?                               |\n| 16 | A I asked all three of them.                         |\n| 17 | Q And what did they say?                             |\n| 18 | A They told me because I was in the position         |\n| 19 | of being chased so don't ask our own financial       |\n| 20 | information. Don't ask me for anything and we will   |\n| 21 | help you to -- we will help you as much as we can.   |\n| 22 | Q When was that?                                     |\n| 23 | A After 2017.                                        |\n| 24 | Q How long after 2017?                               |\n| 25 | A I don't remember.                                  |\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 88                       |\n| 1  | Q And when you had this conversation with            |\n| 2  | your family were the three of them together or where |\n| 3  | these separate conversations?                        |\n| 4  | A Separate.                                          |\n| 5  | Q And each of the three of them said more or         |\n| 6  | less the same thing?                                 |\n| 7  | A Similar.                                           |\n| 8  | Q So I want to make sure I have this                 |\n| 9  | correct. You asked each of them where Golden         |\n| 10 | Springs money was coming from and each of them said  |\n| 11 | to you don't ask me about that because -- finish the |\n| 12 | sentence for me.                                     |\n| 13 | A So you are making a story I don't                  |\n| 14 | understand.                                          |\n| 15 | Q I'm trying to ask you to help me                   |\n| 16 | understand. I'm trying to understand the reason why  |\n| 17 | your family members told you not to ask why your     |\n| 18 | family members told you not to ask about where       |\n| 19 | Golden Spring got the money.                         |\n| 20 | MR. BALDIGA: Let him ask you a question.             |\n| 21 | Q Please tell me why each of your family             |\n| 22 | members told you not to ask them about where Golden  |\n| 23 | Spring money came from?                              |\n| 24 | MR. BALDIGA: Objection. If you know.                 |\n| 25 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: You're asking              |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n8 d\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\nto object the question?\n\nMR. BALDIGA: I objected.\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh, you\n\nobjected.\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\n4\n\nನ\n\nరు\n\n7\n\nMR. BALDIGA: I permit him to answer if he knows .\n\n> THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. THE WITNESS: My daughter and wife were\n\n8 arrested by his partner and got released 2017 and ರಿ released to New York. They were tortured 10 tremendously by communist party. The person 11 tortured them is this attorney's partner. They all 12 have their own attorneys. They told me don't ask me 13 or communicate with me about their own financial and 14 personal information. Anything you want to do it's 15 better go through attorneys. 1.6\n\nThis is the doctrine, the thing, my family 17 members told them before they came to New York. I 18 just want to tell you it's the meaning, very similar 19 meanings, but I can't tell you word by word. 20\n\nSo I don't want this counsel make any 21 stories about my daughter -- about my daughter's 22 forgery, giving false testimony. That kind of 23 -24 story. The last time when we were here with Ms. 25\n\n1 Holley and he was making false lies and saying I'm 2 using my Twitter account and saying that the judge ო in New York was communist party and I didn't even বা have a Twitter account.\n\n5 MR. HARBACH: Just so the record's clear 6 today is the first that I've uttered a word in 7 connection with this litigation in court. So I ထ don't think you're talking about me, sir.\n\n் THE WITNESS: I was saying last time was 10 from attorney in your office. The prior attorney 11 before you called Andy Morse (ph) and was kicked out 12 by the judge because he was making false claims for five years and was kicked out by the judge. So the 13 14 law office was always making false claims.\n\n15 MR. BALDIGA: Just answer his question 16 because I can't know whether to object unless you're 17 just trying to answer his question.\n\n18 THE WITNESS: I didn't talk to my family, 19 daughter and wife individually to say the same 20 thing. If I say the same thing, same words, that 21 will be making false story. 22 MR. HARBACH: I understand. 23 THE WITNESS: You cannot use your 24 imagination and put it into my head. This is why\n\nthe New York South District and the judge was\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n25 - 1\n\n1\n\n2\n\n3\n\nবাঁ\n\n5\n\nર\n\n7\n\n8\n\nੇ\n\n10\n\n11\n\nent 312-2 Filed 04/30/2\n\nੇ ਹ\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\n(indiscernible) by them and they give me the wrong sentencing.\n\nUNIDENTIFIED: Can you say that last --THE WITNESS: Because of their false claims, so that's why the judge from the south district of New York, the judge, gave me the wrong sentencing.\n\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: And also the interpreter did not interpret fully counsel's instruction to the witness previously about his objection.\n\nMS. CLAIBORN: If you want to repeat it, 12 . ਹੈ ਤੋ go ahead.\n\nMR. BALDIGA: I think you just have to 14 15 listen to these questions and answer just these 16 questions.\n\nMR. HARBACH: Sorry. Counsel will move to 17 a different topic. 18\n\n19 BY MR. HARBACH:\n\n20 Q Mr. Kwok, Ms. Claiborn asked you today about a \\$21 million debt that you owe to Golden 21 Spring. She asked you how much of that 21 million 22 23 | was legal fees and your answer was I think most of 24 it. 25 I'd like to know what you meant by most of it.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 92 1 Did you mean \\$11 million or do you mean close to \\$21 2 million. ന A I don't remember. ব Q Do you still believe that most of it was ഹ for legal fees? ్ A I don't remember. 7 -্ You also mentioned the Logan Cheng ထ settlement and that there was money borrowed from Golden Spring in connection with that. 10 A Yes. 11 റ How much money was that loan for? 12 র্মা I don't remember exactly. Probably like 200. Two -- \\$300,000. 13 | 14 ্ What were the terms of that loan from 15 Golden Spring? 16 A I don't remember. 17 When Ms. Claiborn asked you if you had 18 ever been to Golden Spring's offices in New York, 19 you said yes. 20 What's the address of those offices? 21 A Yes. What is the address of those offices? 22 ் 23 A 64th Street, 162. 24 ্র You also mentioned that the last time you 25 1 were there was yesterday and that the reason you\n\nਰੇ ਤੇ Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 went there was to prepare for today's meeting. 1 Who did you meet with there? 2 A 3 My attorney. Did you meet with anyone else besides your 4 ್ನ attorney to prepare for today's meeting while you ನ were at the office? 6 I don't know what you mean, the other 7 A 8 people. Well, did you meet with anyone who works ਉ O 10 for Golden Spring? Yes, I met Yvonne Wang. 11 A റ And this was yesterday? 12 Yes, I met her yesterday. A 13 Did you ask some questions of her । ਪੈ o 15 yesterday? 16 A No . And tell me about your conversation with 17 း Ms. Wang? 18 What do you mean? 19 A Q Well, I'd like to know what you talked 20 about with her. 21 I ask her to arrange the food to eat and 22 A 23 the coffee. Is that all? 24 0 And also we talked about how to abolish 25 A\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 ੇ ਪੈ 1. communist party. 2 O I want to make sure I get this right. I ന think you said --ণ MR. BALDIGA: Excuse me. Can I hear the 5 last thing again. e THE WITNESS: We talk about how to abolish 7 communist party. 8 MR. BALDIGA: Thank you. ੀ\nMs. Wang is an officer of Golden Spring, 10 correct? 11 A Yes . 12 Q And you directed her to bring coffee, 13 right? 14 No, I didn't direct her. I'm just hoping A 15 her to bring some coffee. 16 റ്റ You were hoping or helping? 17 A Help. 18 ্ You were helping. Because my question to 19 you was what you talked about with Ms. Wang. And I thought you said you asked her to bring some coffee 20 21 or maybe even told her to bring some coffee. 22 A No, your attorney office -- you attorney 23 office making and imagining things aqain. I'll ask the question again. 24 ੁ 25 MR. BALDIGA: Please ask a question. Don't\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\n. 95\n\n|                                                                                                                                                                               | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                                                      |\n|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n| ﻴﻢ                                                                                                                                                                            | put words in his mouth.                                                          |\n| থ                                                                                                                                                                             | Q    What did you discuss with Ms. Wanq                                          |\n| ന                                                                                                                                                                             | yesterday?                                                                       |\n| বা<br>ഗ                                                                                                                                                                       | Do you want me to talk about in detail? I<br>A<br>can talk about this for hours. |\n| రు                                                                                                                                                                            | Well, no, not if the detail concerns how<br>o                                    |\n| ി                                                                                                                                                                             | to overthrow the Chinese Communist Party. So I'll be                             |\n| છે                                                                                                                                                                            | more precise.                                                                    |\n| 9                                                                                                                                                                             | So you don't want us to abolish Chinese<br>A                                     |\n| 10                                                                                                                                                                            | Community Party.  Our job is to abolish Chinese                                  |\n| ने के बाद में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में में | Communist Party.                                                                 |\n| 12                                                                                                                                                                            | MR. BALDIGA:  Just answer the question.                                          |\n| 13                                                                                                                                                                            | THE WITNESS: You don't have a question.                                          |\n| ]                                                                                                                                                                             | You're just directing something.                                                 |\n| 15                                                                                                                                                                            | Sometimes I speak in segments to allow the<br>လ                                  |\n| 16                                                                                                                                                                            | interpreter to translate.                                                        |\n| 17                                                                                                                                                                            | MR. BALDIGA:  I think it would be helpful                                        |\n| 18                                                                                                                                                                            | if you just ask question and then the witness                                    |\n| । ਤੇ                                                                                                                                                                          | I'll instruct him to answer your questions. That                                 |\n| 20                                                                                                                                                                            | would be helpful.                                                                |\n| 21                                                                                                                                                                            | Did you discuss with Yvette [sic]<br>ਂ                                           |\n| 22                                                                                                                                                                            | yesterday anything related to preparing for the                                  |\n| 23                                                                                                                                                                            | meeting today?                                                                   |\n| 24                                                                                                                                                                            | ದ<br>Yes .                                                                       |\n| 5                                                                                                                                                                             | What did vou discuss?<br>C                                                       |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n| 1  | A | I ask her to bring those documents here.  |\n|----|---|-------------------------------------------|\n| 2  | Q | Anything else?                            |\n| 3  | A | I don't remember.                         |\n| 4  | Q | When was Lamp Capital created?            |\n| 5  | A | I don't know.                             |\n| 6  | Q | Why was Lamp Capital created?             |\n| 7  | A | I don't know.                             |\n| 8  | Q | Who created Lamp Capital?                 |\n| 9  | A | My son.                                   |\n| 10 | Q | How do you know that?                     |\n| 11 | A | Because I borrow money from my son to pay |\n| 12 |   | attorney fee.                             |\n| 13 | Q | The question is how do you know that your |\n| 14 |   | son created Lamp Capital?                 |\n| 15 | A | Because my son said it.                   |\n| 16 | Q | He told you himself.                      |\n| 17 | A | Yes.                                      |\n| 18 | Q | Did he ask for any advice from you about  |\n| 19 |   | whether to create Lamp Capital?           |\n| 20 | A | No.                                       |\n| 21 | Q | Did he ask you your opinion on whether he |\n| 22 |   | should create Lamp Capital?               |\n| 23 | A | No.                                       |\n| 24 | Q | Did he tell you why he was creating Lamp  |\n| 25 |   | Capital?                                  |\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 97\n\n1 A No.\n2 Q When you were talking about your\n3 malpractice claim against Boise Schiller, you\n4 mentioned someone you kept referring to as he. I'd\n5 like to know who that person is?\n6 A I don't know what you mean.\n7 Q Yes, that was a bad question. I apologize.\n8 You stated that there was someone who gave\n9 false documents to the court without your\n10 permission. That this person threatened your\n11 family, that this person threatened you after\n12 drinking and that this person brought lots of loss\n13 to you and your family, including not providing\n14 translated documents before presenting them to the\n15 judge.\n16 My question is who is that person?\n17 A Schiller. The Attorney Schiller.\n18 Q So Mr. Schiller of the Boise Schiller law\n19 firm. Have I got that right?\n20 A Yes.\n21 Q Thank you. Do you have an understanding of\n22 what business Lamp Capital is engaged in, if any?\n23 A No.\n24 Q Different subject. You said several times\n25 today in connection with your answers that the\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nવે 8\n\n|      | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022<br>તે 8                   |\n|------|-------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1    | people behind me have done certain things.            |\n| 2    | Who are you talking about?                            |\n| 3    | One person behind me, there is a boss<br>র্বা         |\n| 4    | called Bruno Wu.  He paid the case that -- the rape   |\n| 5    | case from (indiscernible)  rape case.  Also there is  |\n| లు   | a creditor here and that also was paid by Bruno Wu.   |\n| 7    | That attorney fee was paid by Bruno Wu.  And Bruno    |\n| 8    | Wu is also his partner and he invested \\$800 million. |\n| 9    | Bruno Wu's partner is also (indiscernible)  previous  |\n| 1 0  | officer and they were investigating and they          |\n| 11   | combined a partner with them to investigate my case.  |\n| 12   | So April 18, 2017, so this (indiscernible)            |\n| 13   | start suing me, bring the lawsuit.  Within this 24    |\n| 1 4  | hours Bruno Wu is sending me the red note and they    |\n| 15   | start bringing the lawsuit.                           |\n| 16   | MR. HARBACH: Can I stop --                            |\n| 17   | THE WITNESS: The Chinese Communist Party              |\n| ી 8  | stopped the interview, the VOA interview with me.     |\n| । ਤੇ | They happened at the same time.                       |\n| 20   | MR. HARBACH:  Or I can let him go.                    |\n| 21   | THE WITNESS:  All the documents made by               |\n| 22   | this attorney firm were all false.  They provide a    |\n| 23   | false document to the South District of New York      |\n| 24   | court. They even false claim on my daughter's         |\n| 25   | yacht. The boat is mine. They sought the judge        |\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 ਕੇ ਰੇ 1 from the South District Court and I file the bankrupt -- personal bankruptcy case twice and the 2 3 day -- they (indiscernible) twice including Ms. 4 Holley. And Ms. Holley was present.\n\nThe first time when Ms. Holley was present in the court and they false testified saying -- and they said my daughter was giving false testimony for the Sherry bankruptcy case because my daughter never participated in that case.\n\n10 And Ms. Holley was there, was present the 11 second co date and Ms. Holley was there also. The 12 attorney from the firm was telling the judge and 13 they said that I used the Twitter account to -- and they said on the Twitter and I was saying on the 14 15 Twitter the south district judge was communist party member. 16\n\n17 You can see here all the people behind me 18 and one is Bruno Wu and one person paid in many 1 9 cases --\n\n20 MR. HARBACH: I'd like to ask another 21 question. 22 BY MR. HARBACH:\n\n23 Q Are you aware one way or the other whether 24 your bankruptcy counsel, the Brown Rudnick law firm, 25 has ever previously represented Bruno Wu?\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nನ\n\ne\n\n7\n\n8\n\nੇ\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 100 1 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can I take a 2 little break? I just can't concentrate as much. က Just too much. Can I take a break? খা MS. CLAIBORN: Can I ask you to ask that 5 question and then we'll take a break? ে THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yes. Can you 7 repeat that question? ထ MR. HARBACH: I'd be happy to. ை Q Are you aware one way or the other of 10 whether your bankruptcy counsel, the Brown Rudnick 11 law firm, previously represented Bruno Wu? 12 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Represent 13 somebody else you said? 14 MR. HARBACH: Yes. Bruno Wu. 15 A No . 16 MS. CLAIBORN: I'm going to take a short 17 break. We're qoing to be back here at 2:45. 18 (Break) 19 MS. CLAIBORN: All right. We are back on the record after a short break. 20 21 Mr. Harbach, the floor is yours. 22 MR. HARBACH: Thank you. 23 BY MR. HARBACH: 24 Q Ms. Kwok, among the documents in front of 25 1 you, document 78 filed in this case.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022\n\n101\n\n| 1  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Which document?            |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 2  | This one?                                            |\n| 3  | MR. HARBACH: Yes. My apologies. Counsel              |\n| 4  | advises me that your copies are not stamped.         |\n| 5  | Q I'm talking about your official from 106.          |\n| 6  | So my question for you starts on page 9, which       |\n| 7  | contains a heading that says Schedule D, creditors   |\n| 8  | who have claimed (indiscernible) by the property.    |\n| 9  | Are you with me?                                     |\n| 10 | You checked the box yes. And were                    |\n| 11 | directed to Schedule D, so that's where I would like |\n| 12 | you to flip to, please. And it's at page 18.         |\n| 13 | MR. BALDIGA: What's the title? He can                |\n| 14 | maybe find it better with the title.                 |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH: Okay. It's the little chart             |\n| 16 | that is Schedule D, which is a list of creditors     |\n| 17 | with secured claims.                                 |\n| 18 | BY MR. HARBACH:                                      |\n| 19 | Q Mr. Kwok, you'll see that there are five           |\n| 20 | separate entries for Golden Spring New York Limited. |\n| 21 | The data in each column is identical for all five    |\n| 22 | rows.                                                |\n| 23 | So my question is why are there five                 |\n| 24 | identical entries on this schedule?                  |\n| 25 |                                                      |\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 102 1 identical entries on this schedule? 2 A I don't know what that means five -- က 0 Well, each row is exactly the same. And I'm just asking why there are five rows with the বা 5 same information? ୍ଦ A T don't know. 7 Among that documents that you filed were റു 8 | some specific notes and one of those notes discusses റ്റ the residence on Taconic Road. 10 MR. HARBACH: And for counsel I'm at 11 document 77, page 4. 12 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Which page? 13 MR. HARBACH: Page 4. 14 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: 84 ? 15 MR. HARBACH: No, Page 4. THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh, page 4. 16 Okay . 17 18 BY MR. HARBACH: 19 My question really isn't so much about the 이 exact test as it is the substance. 20 21 So first question, is it true that all expenses 22 | related to the Taconic Road House are paid directly by family and family controlled enterprises? 23 24 A Yes . 25 ্ত Okay. Which family members?\n\nent 312-2 Filed 04/30/24\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 |                     | 103                                                 |      |\n|-----------------------------|---------------------|-----------------------------------------------------|------|\n| 1                           | A                   | My wife, sometimes by my son.                       |      |\n| 2                           | Q                   | Which family controlled enterprises?                |      |\n| 3                           | A                   | Which country -- my wife.                           |      |\n| 4                           | Q                   | Your wife's not an enterprise. I'm trying           |      |\n| 5                           |                     | to ask which family controlled enterprises pay the  |      |\n| 6                           |                     | expenses for the Taconic House?                     |      |\n| 7                           | A                   | Greenwich LLC.                                      |      |\n| 8                           | Q                   | Okay. Incidentally, how do you know that            |      |\n| 9                           |                     | your wife and sometimes you son pay these expenses? |      |\n| 10                          | A                   | Because I live there.                               |      |\n| 11                          | Q                   | Do you observe them pay the expenses?               |      |\n| 12                          | A                   | Yes.                                                |      |\n| 13                          | Q                   | Is that ever at your request?                       |      |\n| 14                          | A                   | I don't remember I request anything.                |      |\n| 15                          | Q                   | Does Greenwich Land LLC -- yes Greenwich            |      |\n| 16                          |                     | Land LLC own any other real estate besides 373      |      |\n| 17                          |                     | Taconic Road?                                       |      |\n| 18                          | A                   | I don't know.                                       |      |\n| 19                          | Q                   | Do you know anything about the property             |      |\n| 20                          |                     | located at 33 Ferncliff in Cos Cob, Connecticut?    |      |\n| 21                          |                     | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat            |      |\n| 22                          |                     | that?                                               |      |\n| 23                          |                     | MR. HARBACH: Yes.                                   |      |\n| 24                          | Q                   | 33 Ferncliff in Cos Cob, Connecticut.               |      |\n| 25                          |                     | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER:                           |      |\n|                             |                     | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                         | 1 04 |\n| 1                           |                     | No, 33.<br>MR. HARBACH:                             |      |\n| 2                           | A                   | Yes, now I remember it. It's also owned by          |      |\n| 3                           | my wife's company.  |                                                     |      |\n| 4                           | ்                   | That being Greenwich Land?                          |      |\n| 5                           | ਕੇ                  | Maybe .                                             |      |\n| రా                          | റ്റ്                | Do you know?                                        |      |\n| 7                           | র্মা                | I'm not sure.                                       |      |\n| రు                          | o                   | Have you ever been to 33 Ferncliff?                 |      |\n| 9                           | A                   | Yes .                                               |      |\n| 1 0                         | ்                   | How recently?                                       |      |\n| 11                          | d                   | Not recently.<br>No .                               |      |\n| 12                          | o                   | Do you know when Greenwich Land purchased           |      |\n| 13                          | Ferncliff?<br>3 ਤੋਂ |                                                     |      |\n| ।  ਕੁ                       | A                   | I don't remember.                                   |      |\n| 15                          | o                   | Do you know approximately how much money            |      |\n| 16                          | it cost?            |                                                     |      |\n| 17                          | A                   | Probably more that \\$1 million.                     |      |\n| 18                          | ੁ                   | Does \\$1.37 million sound about right?              |      |\n| 19                          | A                   | I'm not sure.                                       |      |\n| 20                          | ு                   | And does the approximate purchase date of           |      |\n| 21                          |                     | September, 2019 sound about right to you?           |      |\n| 22                          | A                   | Not<br>sure.                                        |      |\n| 23                          | 0                   | Turning back to 373 Taconic for a moment.           |      |\n| 24                          |                     | How much was that property purchased for?           |      |\n| 25                          | A                   | Probably 400 to 500,000.                            |      |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 105                    |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: No, no, no.               |\n| 2  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: 4 to 5 million.          |\n| 3  | I'm sorry.                                         |\n| 4  | Q Approximate time of purchase of 373              |\n| 5  | Taconic, if you know?                              |\n| 6  | A I don't know.                                    |\n| 7  | Q Have you ever resided at 33 Ferncliff?           |\n| 8  | A No.                                              |\n| 9  | Q Do you know whether anyone currently lives       |\n| 10 | there?                                             |\n| 11 | A Before there is another comrade maybe, you       |\n| 12 | know, for disjoined Chinese Communist Party and he |\n| 13 | was to live there.                                 |\n| 14 | Q How long ago?                                    |\n| 15 | A Probably one to two years ago.                   |\n| 16 | Q Do you remember that person's name?              |\n| 17 | A Yes.                                             |\n| 18 | Q What is it?                                      |\n| 19 | A Wong Din Gong (ph).                              |\n| 20 | Q Does anyone currently live there, if you         |\n| 21 | know?                                              |\n| 22 | A I don't know.                                    |\n| 23 | Q Talking about 373 Taconic, where did the         |\n| 24 | money come from to purchase that property?         |\n| 25 | A I don't know.                                    |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n|    |                           | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                          | 106 |\n|----|---------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|-----|\n| 1  | Q                         | Do you know whether the house was                    |     |\n| 2  |                           | purchased with cash or financing?                    |     |\n| 3  | A                         | I don't know.                                        |     |\n| 4  | Q                         | Same questions for 33 Ferncliff. Do you              |     |\n| 5  |                           | know where the money came from to purchase that      |     |\n| 6  |                           | house?                                               |     |\n| 7  | A                         | I heard it was purchased by cash.                    |     |\n| 8  | Q                         | From whom -- sorry. From whom did you hear           |     |\n| 9  |                           | that?                                                |     |\n| 10 | A                         | I don't remember.                                    |     |\n| 11 | Q                         | Do you know where that money came from?              |     |\n| 12 | A                         | I don't know.                                        |     |\n| 13 | Q                         | Do you know what Saraca Media Group is?              |     |\n| 14 | A                         | Saraca?                                              |     |\n| 15 | Q                         | Saraca.                                              |     |\n| 16 | A                         | Saraca Media Group. I do.                            |     |\n| 17 | Q                         | What is Sirraca Media Group?                         |     |\n| 18 | A                         | Just Saraca. It's a company.                         |     |\n| 19 | Q                         | What kind of company?                                |     |\n| 20 | A                         | I'm not sure.                                        |     |\n| 21 | Q                         | Have you ever had any relationship with              |     |\n| 22 |                           | Saraca personally?                                   |     |\n| 23 | A                         | No.                                                  |     |\n| 24 | Q                         | Do you know anything about the type of               |     |\n| 25 |                           | business that Saraca conducts?                       |     |\n|    |                           | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022<br>107                   |     |\n| 1  | A                         | I remember they are related to GTV Media             |     |\n| 2  |                           | platform, or they invested on the GTV Media          |     |\n| 3  |                           | platform.                                            |     |\n| 4  | Q                         | How do you know that?                                |     |\n| 5  | A                         | Because I was their consultant, who owned            |     |\n| 6  |                           | the consultant. And also I was the GTV host. And     |     |\n| 7  |                           | also this is one of the input and platform for       |     |\n| 8  |                           | disjoined communist party.                           |     |\n| 9  | Q                         | When you said you were a consultant a                |     |\n| 10 |                           | moment ago was that for Saraca or for GTV?           |     |\n| 11 | A                         | GTV.                                                 |     |\n| 12 | Q                         | Has Saraca ever been -- ever had the 162             |     |\n| 13 |                           | East 64th Street address associated with it?         |     |\n| 14 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: | Which address?                                       |     |\n| 15 |                           | Can you repeat that one.                             |     |\n| 16 | Q                         | Yes. 162 East 64th Street. The question              |     |\n| 17 |                           | is whether Saraca has ever been associated with that |     |\n| 18 |                           | address?                                             |     |\n| 19 | A                         | I don't know.                                        |     |\n| 20 | Q                         | That is the family office address,                   |     |\n| 21 |                           | correct?                                             |     |\n| 22 | A                         | It's one of them.                                    |     |\n| 23 | Q                         | Where are the other ones?                            |     |\n| 24 | A                         | I don't know.                                        |     |\n| 25 | Q                         | Are there any others in New York City?               |     |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 108 1 I just want to clarify. Golden Spring is A 2 one of the companies in this building, 162. Understood and thank you. က ೧ ರ್ ರ We've referred to the family office during 5 your questioning and I just want to be clear. When we talk about the family office are we referring to ﯼ 7 that address on East 64th Street? 8 A Yes . Has GTV ever been associated with the ி Q family office address? 10 11 A I don't know. 12 Q Who owns Saraca? 13 A My son. 14 ್ Since when? 15 A I don't know. Does Saraca currently exist? 16 റ്റ I don't know. 17 ದ 18 O Do you have any idea how many -- do you 19 | know anything about the value of Saraca's assets? I don't know. 20 A Do you know anything about payments Saraca 21 റ്റു 22 has made to GTV? No, I don't know. 23 A 24 Has your wife ever told you about any റ്റ് 25 1 multi-million dollar payments from Saraca to\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 <span style=\"float:right\">109</span> |                                                      |\n|------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                                                                | Greenwich Land?                                      |\n| 2                                                                | A I don't know.                                      |\n| 3                                                                | Q You don't know whether he's ever told you          |\n| 4                                                                | or you don't know about the payments?                |\n| 5                                                                | A She never told me and I don't even know            |\n| 6                                                                | how much.                                            |\n| 7                                                                | Q Do you know a company called Ziba Limited,         |\n| 8                                                                | Z-I-B-A?                                             |\n| 9                                                                | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Ziba, Z-I-B-A?             |\n| 10                                                               | MR. HARBACH: Yes.                                    |\n| 11                                                               | A I don't know.                                      |\n| 12                                                               | Q I'm sorry if I've already asked this.              |\n| 13                                                               | What is the relationship, if any, between Saraca and |\n| 14                                                               | GTV?                                                 |\n| 15                                                               | A Saraca is the investor for GTV.                    |\n| 16                                                               | Q Do you know how much money Saraca invested         |\n| 17                                                               | in GTV?                                              |\n| 18                                                               | A I don't know.                                      |\n| 19                                                               | Q When was GTV founded?                              |\n| 20                                                               | A 2020. Maybe 2019. Not very sure.                   |\n| 21                                                               | Q Do you know the names of any of the                |\n| 22                                                               | officers or directors of Saraca?                     |\n| 23                                                               | A I don't know.                                      |\n| 24                                                               | Q Do you know whether Yvette Wang is an              |\n| 25                                                               | officer or director of Saraca?                       |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n|    |   | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                         | 110 |\n|----|---|-----------------------------------------------------|-----|\n| 1  | A | I don't know.                                       |     |\n| 2  | Q | Do you know someone called Hong Chung               |     |\n| 3  |   | Wang?                                               |     |\n| 4  | A | Yes.                                                |     |\n| 5  | Q | Who is that?                                        |     |\n| 6  | A | He's my partner and also comrade for                |     |\n| 7  |   | disjoined Communist Party.                          |     |\n| 8  | Q | Is he a friend of yours?                            |     |\n| 9  | A | Friend, comrade and a partner.                      |     |\n| 10 | Q | What do you mean by partner?                        |     |\n| 11 | A | Because we had a business corporation.              |     |\n| 12 | Q | Tell me about that.                                 |     |\n| 13 | A | Well, I don't remember the name of that             |     |\n| 14 |   | company. It's a company for investigating Communist |     |\n| 15 |   | Party in USA doing money laundering and committing  |     |\n| 16 |   | crimes.                                             |     |\n| 17 | Q | Was it a for profit company?                        |     |\n| 18 | A | I don't know.                                       |     |\n| 19 | Q | You don't know?                                     |     |\n| 20 | A | I don't know.                                       |     |\n| 21 | Q | What was the name of the company?                   |     |\n| 22 | A | I don't remember when getting to English.           |     |\n| 23 |   | I don't remember the name.                          |     |\n| 24 | Q | Approximately what time frame where you             |     |\n| 25 |   | partners with Hong Chung Wang in this company?      |     |\n|    |   | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 111                     |     |\n| 1  | A | I don't remember.                                   |     |\n| 2  | Q | Within the last three years?                        |     |\n| 3  | A | It must be more than three years ago.               |     |\n| 4  | Q | More than ten years?                                |     |\n| 5  | A | No.                                                 |     |\n| 6  | Q | Did Hong Chung Wang ever have any                   |     |\n| 7  |   | connection to Saraca?                               |     |\n| 8  | A | I don't know.                                       |     |\n| 9  | Q | Was he ever an officer or director of               |     |\n| 10 |   | Saraca?                                             |     |\n| 11 | A | I don't know.                                       |     |\n| 12 | Q | What does the G in GTV stand for?                   |     |\n| 13 | A | God. The Goal, like in -- G-O-A-L.                  |     |\n| 14 | Q | The English word \"goal\"?                            |     |\n| 15 | A | Yea. Goal or God.                                   |     |\n| 16 | Q | Okay. How long have you known Hong Chong            |     |\n| 17 |   | Wang?                                               |     |\n| 18 | A | I don't remember.                                   |     |\n| 19 | Q | More than ten years?                                |     |\n| 20 | A | Roughly.                                            |     |\n| 21 | Q | And do you still consider him a friend              |     |\n| 22 |   | today?                                              |     |\n| 23 | A | Yes.                                                |     |\n| 24 |   | MR. HARBACH: Just a moment, please.                 |     |\n| 25 | Q | There's been many questions today about             |     |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nge 112 of 134\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 112 1 Golden Spring funding your living expenses. 2 Is it correct that as far as your living ന expenses are concerned that none of that is expected র্ব to be repaid? ഗ Yes, true. A And so those monies are not the subject of ဖ 0 7 any formal agreement, correct? 8 A No . တ Q And those monies essentially then are a 10 gift to you, correct? A 11 Yes . What's the Rule of Law Foundation? 12 O 13 A What does that mean? The question is what is it? 14 ್ತ THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: The Rule of Law 15 Foundation? 16 17 MR. HARBACH: Yes, sir. 18 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I didn't get it. Can you ask it another way? 19 1 There's an entity called --20 റ്റു THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh. 21 22 -- the Rule of Law Foundation. O 23 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. MR. HARBACH: I'll hopefully save some 24 25 { time by just asking this question instead.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 113\n\n1 Q Are you familiar with the Rule of Law\n2 Foundation?\n3 A Yes.\n4 Q Were you involved in its establishment?\n5 A Yes.\n6 Q Did you contribute any money to it when it\n7 was formed?\n8 A Not myself.\n9 Q Did you direct any entity to contribute to\n10 the Rule of Law Foundation?\n11 A Suggestion in a direct and suggesting any\n12 difference --\n13 Q If there was a suggestion, please tell me\n14 it was a suggestion.\n15 A I didn't direct anybody or order anybody.\n16 I just always suggest people to make donations for\n17 the Foundation.\n18 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: As an\n19 interpreter, I think that if the witness is asking\n20 the interpreter questions, the interpreter should\n21 interpret the question asked by the witness instead\n22 of answer that question.\n23 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I can answer\n24 anything.\n25 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: The witness said\n\n*Fiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.*\n\n| 1  | are you talking about the (indiscernible) --       |     |\n|----|----------------------------------------------------|-----|\n| 2  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: That's why I             |     |\n| 3  | relayed the questions to the attorney.             |     |\n| 4  | THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: You answer him            |     |\n| 5  | yes, and then you say that.                        |     |\n| 6  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh, for God's            |     |\n| 7  | sake. I didn't say -- did I miss anything?         |     |\n| 8  | (Interpretation.)                                  |     |\n| 9  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Okay. No                 |     |\n| 10 | question. He said no question was not answered.    |     |\n| 11 | BY MR. HARBACH:                                    |     |\n| 12 | Q Did you ever suggested to any of your            |     |\n| 13 | family members that they donate to the Rule of Law |     |\n| 14 | Foundation?                                        |     |\n| 15 | A Yes, I did suggest.                              |     |\n| 16 | Q Did any of your family members or the            |     |\n| 17 | family controlled enterprises contribute money to  |     |\n| 18 | the Rule of Law Foundation?                        |     |\n| 19 | A Yes.                                             |     |\n| 20 | Q How much money?                                  |     |\n| 21 | A For cash there is one -- over \\$1 million.       |     |\n| 22 | From Hong Kong, Japan and Mainland -- in           |     |\n| 23 | China and all combined it should be more than 30   |     |\n| 24 | million.                                           |     |\n| 25 | Q And just focusing for the moment on              |     |\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022                        | 115 |\n| 1  | contributions from your family at your suggestion. |     |\n| 2  | Approximately, how much money is that?             |     |\n| 3  | A I don't know the details. Because of             |     |\n| 4  | security reasons they don't want me to know.       |     |\n| 5  | Q Did you say a moment ago that your family        |     |\n| 6  | contributed over a million dollars?                |     |\n| 7  | A One million cash is in New York here.            |     |\n| 8  | Q When was that?                                   |     |\n| 9  | A I don't remember.                                |     |\n| 10 | Q Is the reason -- well, let me ask it this        |     |\n| 11 | way. Did you suggest an amount to your family      |     |\n| 12 | members that they should contribute to the Rule of |     |\n| 13 | Law Foundation?                                    |     |\n| 14 | A I want them to donate the more the better.       |     |\n| 15 | Q Is that what you told them?                      |     |\n| 16 | A Yes.                                             |     |\n| 17 | Q Do you know whether the Rule of Law              |     |\n| 18 | Foundation is associated with the family office    |     |\n| 19 | address on 64th Street?                            |     |\n| 20 | A Yes.                                             |     |\n| 21 | Q Did you ever make a \\$100 million donation       |     |\n| 22 | to the Rule of Law Foundation in November of 2018? |     |\n| 23 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat           |     |\n| 24 | that again?                                        |     |\n| 25 | Q Did you ever make a \\$100 million donation       |     |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n04/30/24 Pag\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 116 1 to the Rule of Law Foundation in November, 2018? 2 No. In the live stream like I want --A tried to collect the funds, in the live stream show. က 4 Q Did you ever --5 MR, BALDIGA: Wait. Was that his whole 6 answer? THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah. Something 7 8 wrong? ் THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Not quite exactly what the witness said. 10 (Indiscernible) broadcasting is okay. 11 12 | Live stream is okay. But collect money --13 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Asking for 14 donation, right? 15 (Interpretation) THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Raise --16 THE WITNESS: Raising money, raise 17 18 donations. Yeah, in the live stream broadcast thing, or whatever, you know, asking for donations 19 to -- you know, to raise funds, to raise money. 20 Did you ever promise to donate \\$1 billion 21\n22 to the Rule of Law Fund? THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: 10 billion you 23 said? 24 MR. HARBACH: No, sir. 1 billion. 25\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 117\n\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh, one\nbillion.\nA I don't remember. I don't remember.\nQ Do you mean that it's possible that you\nmade that promise?\nA So we could reach that goal if we combine\nthe organizations all over the world.\nQ Understand. And it's a simple question. I\njust don't know the answer.\nDid you yourself ever promise to donate \\$1\nbillion to the Rule of Law fund?\nA In the past five years I did the live\nstream over 5,000 times. Some of the live stream\ncould have reached four or five hours. It's hard\nfor me to remember every sentence I said.\nQ Well, I understand that, but I'm only\nasking about one issue. And it is whether you ever\npromised publicly, or privately or anyhow to donate\n\\$1 billion to the Rule of Law Fund?\nTHE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: He did not say\ninvest.\nMR. HARBACH: Donate\nTHE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Yeah, donate.\nA I don't remember.\nQ I'll ask this one one more time.\n\n*Fiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.*\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022<br>118                   |\n|----|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | Are you saying that it is possible that              |\n| 2  | you made such a promise. You just can't be sure?     |\n| 3  | A In front of Ms. Holley I wouldn't say              |\n| 4  | anything is possible but this is a very serious      |\n| 5  | issue. Now they start the scheme again.              |\n| 6  | Q Well, this isn't what did you have for             |\n| 7  | breakfast three days ago. This is did you promise    |\n| 8  | to donate \\$1 billion and if the answer is you don't |\n| 9  | know, that's okay.                                   |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA: I think that's what the                 |\n| 11 | answer has been.                                     |\n| 12 | MR. HARBACH: No, the answer has been I               |\n| 13 | don't remember.                                      |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA: Don't remember.                         |\n| 15 | MR. HARBACH: Yes, sir. That's a little               |\n| 16 | different.                                           |\n| 17 | Q So the answer might be no, but you're not          |\n| 18 | saying no. You're saying you don't remember.         |\n| 19 | A I said it three times, I don't remember.           |\n| 20 | MR. BALDIGA: There's no question --                  |\n| 21 | A Because in the past five years                     |\n| 22 | (indiscernible) always making these kind of answers  |\n| 23 | for me so that's why the judge from the South        |\n| 24 | District were fooled by you and you started again -- |\n| 25 | Q I'll move on.                                      |\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 119                      |\n| 1  | A In the South District court I only met             |\n| 2  | judge 20 seconds. I didn't say one sentence within   |\n| 3  | this five years and I was fined a total about \\$300  |\n| 4  | million because that's what they did.                |\n| 5  | MR. BALDIGA: All right. Let's stop it.               |\n| 6  | Let's wait for a question and we'll answer the       |\n| 7  | question.                                            |\n| 8  | MR. HARBACH: Bill, I appreciate your                 |\n| 9  | patience. I'll move on.                              |\n| 10 | MR. BALDIGA: Translate what I said,                  |\n| 11 | please.                                              |\n| 12 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat             |\n| 13 | that? Everybody's saying at the time.                |\n| 14 | MR. BALDIGA: Ask a question and he'll                |\n| 15 | answer a question.                                   |\n| 16 | Q Have you made any donations to the Rule of         |\n| 17 | Law Foundation in the last two years?                |\n| 18 | A Myself, right?                                     |\n| 19 | Q Yes, sir.                                          |\n| 20 | A No.                                                |\n| 21 | Q Have you suggested to any of your family           |\n| 22 | that they make donations to the Rule of Law          |\n| 23 | Foundation within the last two years?                |\n| 24 | A I don't remember.                                  |\n| 25 | Q Would you ever have made a promise to              |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nDocument 312-2\n\nge 120 of 134\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 120 donate \\$1 billion to the Rule of Law Foundation if 1 you did not actually have that money? 2 MR. BALDIGA: Objection to form. 3 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I didn't get ਪੁੱ it. Can you repeat one more time. ട Would you have ever made a promise to 6 o donate \\$1 billion to the Rule of Law Foundation if 7 you did not actually have that money. 8 MR. BALDIGA: And I objected. 9 MR. HARBACH: And then Bill objected. 10 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: He said are you 11 --- want to sentencing me to death sentence? 12 Approximately how much is the Lady May 13 Q 14 worth? I don't know. 15 A Over the years that you have been aboard 16 റ്റു the Lady May, approximately how many times have you 17 invited friends to join you? 18 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Can you repeat 19 that question one more time? 20 MR. HARBACH: Yes. 21 Over the years that you had been aboard 22 the Lady May, approximately how many times have you 23 invited friends out to join you? 24 Hold on. 25 MR. BALDIGA:\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 121                     |\n|----|-----------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | MR. HARBACH: Sorry, Bill.                           |\n| 2  | MR. BALDIGA: David, you have a deposition           |\n| 3  | on the Lady May issues coming up. You can choose    |\n| 4  | today or then. Either one is fine.                  |\n| 5  | MR. HARBACH: That's a fair point. I'll              |\n| 6  | move on.                                            |\n| 7  | MR. BALDIGA: Okay. No question.                     |\n| 8  | MR. HARBACH: If I could direct counsel's            |\n| 9  | attention again to document 77. And I want to focus |\n| 10 | on question 19.                                     |\n| 11 | Q Mr. Kwok, let me know when you're read            |\n| 12 | that question. It's no. 19.                         |\n| 13 | (Pause.)                                            |\n| 14 | A Finished.                                         |\n| 15 | Q Okay. So for the benefit of the record,           |\n| 16 | the question says within ten years before you filed |\n| 17 | for bankruptcy did you transfer any property to a   |\n| 18 | self settled trust or similar device of which you   |\n| 19 | are a beneficiary?                                  |\n| 20 | A No.                                               |\n| 21 | Q And that is indeed what you checked on the        |\n| 22 | form. My question for you is if you turn -- if      |\n| 23 | changed the word you to a family member as the      |\n| 24 | beneficiary, what would the answer be?              |\n| 25 | MR. BALDIGA: Objection.                             |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 122 1 A I cannot answer questions with if. 2 Q I'll ask it a different way. ന MR. HARBACH: And, Jack, I'll ask you to 4 bear with me. Within ten years before you filed for 5 O 6 bankruptcy did you transfer any property to a self settled trust or similar device of which a member of 7 8 your family is a beneficiary? 9 A No . Sticking with that same document going 10 o forward to question 27. Just let me know when 11 you're read it, sir. 12 13 (Pause.) A Okay. I'm finished. 14 So you see there you have checked the box 15 ു next to the word yes. And then the instructions say 16 17 check all that apply above and fill in the details 18 below for each business. MR. HARBACH: Do you see where that is, 19 20 Jack? THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: I didn't see 21 22 that. MR. HARBACH: Next -- Holley can show you. 23 24 (Pause.) MR. HARBACH: So I was just pointing out 25\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 123 |                                                      |\n|---------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1                               | to the witness -- for the benefit of the translator  |\n| 2                               | I'll say it again.                                   |\n| 3                               | Q Next to the box that is checked yes, the           |\n| 4                               | instructions say check all that apply above and fill |\n| 5                               | in the details below for each business. None of the  |\n| 6                               | boxes above is checked and that's my question.       |\n| 7                               | Which box or boxes should be checked for             |\n| 8                               | each of those three entities that you have listed?   |\n| 9                               | A I cannot determine which one.                      |\n| 10                              | Q Is that something you would need more time         |\n| 11                              | to figure out or you just don't know the answer?     |\n| 12                              | A I could answer one by one.                         |\n| 13                              | Q Okay. Let's do that. Let's start with              |\n| 14                              | Genever.                                             |\n| 15                              | A Which Genever?                                     |\n| 16                              | Q Well, the one that's listed is Genever             |\n| 17                              | Holdings Corporation.                                |\n| 18                              | Which of those boxes would you check for             |\n| 19                              | Genever Holdings Corporation, if any?                |\n| 20                              | A It was one time -- it was a member of LLC.         |\n| 21                              | The above don't apply and should transfer to no. 12  |\n| 22                              | -- transfer to 12.                                   |\n| 23                              | It used to be an LLC.                                |\n| 24                              | Q Are you saying that you would check the            |\n| 25                              | box for a member of an LLC but it should be in the   |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 124 1 past tense? 2 Used to be. A Yes. က Do any of the other boxes apply to your ੁ বা relationship to Genever Holdings Corporation? ട് The last row seems like appropriate for A ပ me. I'm not very sure. The last row being an owner of at least 7 ପ five percent of the voting or equity securities of a ထ ಿ corporation? I owned 50 percent for a very short period 10 A of time. 11 12 Okay. What about for Shiny Time? o 13 A Shiny Time already went away. I understand. When it was in existence, 14 റ്റ which of those boxes was accurate? 15 | A 16 Number one. 17 0 A sole proprietor? 18 A Yes . 19 Q Any of the others? 20 ದ್ Not sure. Okay. What about for Well Origin Limited? 21 റ്റ 22 A It went away. Okay. Same question though. Which of 23 റ്റ those boxes applied when it was in existence? 24 25 A Number one.\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 125 |                                                      |\n|---------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|\n| 1 Q                             | Any of the others?                                   |\n| 2 A                             | Not sure.                                            |\n| 3 Q                             | One last point about this question.                  |\n| 4                               | For Genever Holdings Corporation the block           |\n| 5                               | for the dates that the business existed is blank.    |\n| 6 Q                             | Do you know what those dates should be?              |\n| 7 A                             | 2015. Probably March, April to June,                 |\n| 8                               | July.                                                |\n| 9 Q                             | Of which year?                                       |\n| 10 A                            | 2015.                                                |\n| 11 Q                            | So from approximately March or April until           |\n| 12                              | approximately July all in 2015?                      |\n| 13 A                            | Yes.                                                 |\n| 14 Q                            | Okay. And is that the entire duration                |\n| 15                              | that that corporation existed?                       |\n| 16 A                            | I was in the company for a few months, for           |\n| 17                              | this period of time, a few months and with holding - |\n| 18                              | - in stock holding. And the company still existed    |\n| 19                              | after I left.                                        |\n| 20 Q                            | I understand. And does it still exist                |\n| 21                              | today?                                               |\n| 22 A                            | I believe it still exists.                           |\n| 23 Q                            | Okay. In what year did you get married?              |\n| 24 A                            | 1918 -- or 1985.                                     |\n| 25 Q                            | What year was your son born?                         |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 126 1 1986. A 2 Q And how old are you, sir? 3 ಗಿ 54 . How old was your son when your family 4 റു began working with Uda Property Company? 5 ర్ 11. Oh, five years -- five years old. A And so that would have been in 7 ் approximately 1991 that your family began working 8 9 with Uda? 10 A Yes . When was the Henan Uda Hotel completed? 11 ் 12 A In 1997. And what about the Uda International Trade 13 റ്റ് When was it completed? 14 Center. 15 A At pretty much the same time. In your declaration in this case you 16 റ്റ stated that both of those were successful ventures. 17 18 A Yes. That allowed your family to start amassing 19 Q 20 significant wealth. A Yes . 21 22 So recognizing that this is in the early ্ '90's how much money approximately did those 23 ventures bring to your family? 24 25 A I don't remember.\n\n12-2 Filed 04/30/2\n\n|    | Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 127                  |\n|----|--------------------------------------------------|\n| 1  | Q More than \\$50 million?                        |\n| 2  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: 50 or 15?              |\n| 3  | MR. HARBACH: 5-0.                                |\n| 4  | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh, okay.              |\n| 5  | A I don't remember.                              |\n| 6  | Q What about the Pengu Plaza? When was it        |\n| 7  | completed?                                       |\n| 8  | A July 2008.                                     |\n| 9  | Q So between the early '90's and 2008 what       |\n| 10 | other projects of significant did the Guo family |\n| 11 | invest in or participate in?                     |\n| 12 | THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Since 1990's to        |\n| 13 | --                                               |\n| 14 | A Between the early 1990's and 2008.             |\n| 15 | Q Do you remember any of them? Any of the        |\n| 16 | significant ventures?                            |\n| 17 | A Beijing Golden Spring.                         |\n| 18 | Q What was that?                                 |\n| 19 | A It's a property company. Real estate.          |\n| 20 | It's a real estate company.                      |\n| 21 | Q Was this a development company or a --         |\n| 22 | like a buying and selling agency?                |\n| 23 | A Developing company.                            |\n| 24 | Q When was the Pangu Plaza project started,      |\n| 25 | approximately?                                   |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n128 Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 1 A Roughly 1999. 2. Okay. So let's use that as a point in ್ ന time. 4 At the beginning of the Pangu Plaza ഗ project approximately how much had the family 6 amassed in wealth? 7 THE PRIVATE INTERPRETER: Ask that ന question again? ் MR. HARBACH: Sure. Q As of 1999, which was the beginning of the 10 Pangu Plaza project, approximately how much wealth 11 had the family earned or amassed by that time? 12 -THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: You're talking 13 ਹੈ ਕੇ about after 1999? MR. HARBACH: No, I'm talking about as of 15 1999? 16 THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER: Oh, as of 1999. 17 How much money had the family made by 18 ್ತ 1999? 19 T don't remember. 20 A More than \\$100 million? 21 Q I don't remember. 22 A More than \\$500 million? 23 ੁ A I don't remember. 24 More than a billion dollars? 25 റ്റു\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 129\n1 A I don't remember.\n2 Q Were you personally involved in the work\n3 with Uda Property Company?\n4 A Yes.\n5 Q Were you personally involved in the\n6 development of the Henan Uda Hotel?\n7 A Yes.\n8 Q Were you personally involved in the Uda\n9 International Trade Center in Zhengzhou?\n10 A Yes.\n11 Q Were you personally involved in the\n12 development of the Pengu Plaza?\n13 A Yes.\n14 Q Who was in charge of the Beijing Golden\n15 Spring Real Estate Development firm?\n16 A A professional group.\n17 Q Were you a member of that group?\n18 A At that time I was a consultant.\n19 Q For Beijing Golden Spring?\n20 A Yes.\n21 Q During what time frame was that,\n22 approximately that you were a consultant for them?\n23 A After 2000.\n24 Q After 2000. Okay.\n25 MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Harbach, I just want to\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 130 note that it is 4:18 and I know we've had a long day 1 2 -- and I wanted to give -- I apologize for interrupting you, first of all. ന ব MR. HARBACH: That's all right. MS. CLAIBORN: But I wanted to give 5 counsel for the committee a chance to ask a few 6 questions today before we conclude. 7 MR. HARBACH: Of course. Sure. ന ் MR. STAFSTROM: I'll be very brief. EXAMINATION BY MR. STAFSTROM: 10 I noticed your hair is very short. I like 11 o it. Have you gotten a haircut recently? 12 | 13 A Yes. I had a haircut. Where did you get it cut? 14 റു 15 A My wife. Oh, your wife. Okay . 16 റു Does she always cut your hair? 17 18 A After the virus until now. Okay. All right. I have no further 19 o 20 questions then. MS. CLAIBORN: I'm going to put the 21 22 | recording on pause while we work on selecting a new 23 date. (Off the record.) 24 MS. CLAIBORN: We're back on the record 25\n\nDocument 312-2\n\ne 132 01 134\n\nHo Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 131\nafter a short break. We have selected a continuance\ndate of April 29th, beginning at 10:00 a.m. We are\nconcluded for today. Thank you.\n(Meeting adjourned.)\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n1 I, CHRISTINE FIORE, court-approved 2 transcriber and certified electronic reporter and 3 transcriber, certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the official electronic sound বা 5 recording of the proceedings in the above-entitled 6 matter.\n\nChristine Fiore\n\nApril 15, 2022\n\n132\n\n10 11\n\n12\n\n13\n\n। ਪੈ\n\n15\n\n16\n\n17\n\n18\n\n1 9\n\n20\n\n21\n\n22\n\n23\n\n24\n\n7\n\n8\n\n9\n\nTranscriber\n\nChristine Fiore, CERT\n\n| Ho Wan Kwok - April 6, 2022 |                              | 133  |\n|-----------------------------|------------------------------|------|\n| 1                           |                              |      |\n| 2                           | INDEX                        |      |\n| 3                           |                              | Page |\n| 4                           | Examination by Ms. Claiborn  | 6    |\n| 5                           | Examination by Mr. Wolman    | 71   |\n| 6                           | Examination by Mr. Harbach   | 80   |\n| 7                           | Examination by Mr. Stafstrom | 130  |\n| 8                           |                              |      |\n| 9                           |                              |      |\n| 10                          |                              |      |\n| 11                          |                              |      |\n| 12                          |                              |      |\n| 13                          |                              |      |\n| 14                          |                              |      |\n| 15                          |                              |      |\n| 16                          |                              |      |\n| 17                          |                              |      |\n| 18                          |                              |      |\n| 19                          |                              |      |\n| 20                          |                              |      |\n| 21                          |                              |      |\n| 22                          |                              |      |\n| 23                          |                              |      |\n| 24                          |                              |      |\n| 25                          |                              |      |\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nCONFIDENTIAL\nCONFIDENTIAL","body_zh":"证物 B (EXHIBIT B)\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日\n出庭人员：\n代表债务人：WILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ.\nBEN SILVERBERG, ESQ.\nBrown Rudnick, LLP（布朗拉德尼克有限责任合伙律师事务所）\nSeven Times Square\nNew York, NY 10036\n代表联邦受托人：HOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ.\nSTEVEN MACKEY, ESQ.\nOffice of the U.S. Trustee（美国受托人办公室）\n150 State Street\nNew Haven, CT 06510\n代表 Logan Cheng（程洛根），\n债权人：JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ.\nRandazza Legal Group（兰达扎法律集团）\n100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor\nHartford, CT 06103\n代表 Pacific Alliance\nAsia Opportunity Fund,\nLP（太平洋联盟亚洲机会基金有限合伙），债权人：DAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ.\nO'Melveny & Myers, LLP（美迈斯律师事务所）\n1625 I Street NW\nWashington, DC 20006\nSTUART SARNOFF, ESQ.\nMAKENZIE RUSSO\nO'Melveny & Myers, LLP\nTimes Square Tower\n7 Times Square\nNew York, NY 10036\nANNECCA SMITH, ESQ.\nRobinson and Cole（罗宾逊与科尔律师事务所）\n280 Trumbull Street\nHartford, CT 06103\n代表 Bruno Wu（吴征）、Weican\nMeng（孟维参）及 Rui Ma（马锐），\n债权人：KRISTEN MAYHEW, ESQ.\nMcElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney &\nCarpenter（麦克尔罗伊、多伊奇、马尔瓦尼与卡彭特律师事务所）\nOne State Street\nHartford, CT 06103\n代表无担保\n债权人官方\n委员会：STEVEN STAFSTROM, ESQ.\nPullman & Comley（普尔曼与康姆利律师事务所）\n850 Main Street\nBridgeport, CT 06601\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 - 1, 1\n1 CLAIBORN 女士：早上好。今天是\n2 2022年4月6日，星期三。我们在此出席\n3 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）第 11 章（Chapter 11）\n4 破产案（案号：22-50073）的续行债权人会议。\n5 我叫 Holley Claiborn。我是 United States Trustee（美国受托人办公室）\n6 的出庭律师，\n7 我将主持今天的会议。今天的\n8 会议正在通过数字录音机进行录音，并\n9 供各方通过电话参与。\n10 包括债务人、\n11 律师及其他专业人士在内的各方\n12 均已亲自到场。\n13 今天的会议配有口译，如\n14 您所听到的，我们今天的口译员是 Jeff，\n15 我将请 Jeff 进行宣誓。\n16 （口译员宣誓。）\n17 法庭：代表郭先生出庭的有\n18 William Baldiga 和 Ben Silverberg。\n19 同样代表债务人的\n20 还有财务专业人员 Craig Gelbert 和 Matthew\n21 Flynn。\n22 今天代表\n23 无担保债权人委员会出席的是\n24 来自 Pullman and Comley 的 Steven Stafstrom。\n1 Stafstrom 先生是\n2 无担保债权人官方委员会的律师。\n3 今天代表 PAACS 出席的还有\n4 Stuart Sarnoff、David Harbach 和 MacKenzie Russo。\n5 他们代表 PAACS。\n6 代表包括\n7 Rui Ma 在内的某些债权人的，是 Kristen Mayhew。\n8 代表债权人 Logan Cheng 出席的是\n9 Jay Wolman。\n10 同样代表 PAACS 的还有来自 Robinson and Cole 的\n11 Annecca Smith。\n12 此外，今天代表债务人的还有\n13 Josh Klein 和 Aaron Mitchell。\n14 今天的会议将首先由我进行提问，\n15 随后债权人将有机会\n16 上前进行提问。\n17 电话会议线上有人在吗？\n18\n19 MACKEY 先生：美国受托人办公室的 Steven Mackey\n20 正在电话会议线上。\n21 谢谢你，Mackey 先生。除了 Mackey 先生\n22 还有其他人吗？\n23 既然没有人发言，我将继续\n24 对郭先生进行宣誓程序。\n25 （债务人宣誓。）\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.（菲奥雷法庭速记与转录服务公司）\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 1 CLAIBORN 女士：郭先生，如您所知，2 今天的会议正在录音，这里的 Jeff 先生是我们今天的官方口译员。3 4 Jeff 将翻译我提出的问题以及您的回答，请您等 Jeff 完整翻译完毕后再回答我的问题。8 由 CLAIBORN 女士进行询问：9 问：郭先生，我们今天接着从上次于 2022年3月21日举行的债权人会议大致停下的地方开始。13 自 2022年3月21日以来，您的就业情况有任何变化吗？15 答：没有。16 问：关于您的住所情况有任何变化吗？18 答：没有。19 问：在 2022年3月21日举行的会议期间，我曾向您询问关于您的破产财产明细表（bankruptcy schedules）及财务状况说明书（bankruptcy statement of financial affairs）的准确性。23 答：没有变化。24 谢谢。25 CLAIBORN 女士：Jeff，为了我\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 6\n1 提问的需要，我将依据您面前的文件。\n2 当我说明细表时，是指这份文件。\n3 这份文件是\n4 财务状况说明书。好吗？当我\n5 提到 ECF 编号时，它在页面顶部。\n6 官方口译员：ECF 编号。好的。\n7\n8 CLAIBORN 女士：好吗？这样可以让您\n9 跟着看，并从这一页开始。\n10 由 CLAIBORN 女士进行询问：\n11 问：好的。郭先生，请您确认面前是否放有\n12 ——您看起来确实有——\n13 表 A-B 至 J（Schedules A-B through J）。\n14 私人口译员：他面前有中文普通话译本。\n15\n16 CLAIBORN 女士继续询问：\n17 问：我看到坐在您旁边的 Baldiga 先生\n18 拿着英文版本。但是在您面前，\n19 郭先生，似乎是翻译件。是这样吗？\n20\n21 答：只有表 A-B 是。\n22 问：好的。所以，郭先生，当您今天回答我的问题时，\n23 您将看着您自己的\n24 破产财产明细表的译本。\n25\n\nCase 1:23-cr-00118\n\n23-cr-00118-AT Doc\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 7\n\n答：好的。\n\n问：好的。\n\n私人口译员：请稍等一下，法官大人。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：好的。\n\n私人口译员：口译员翻译证人回答时，我听得有点不太清楚。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：好的。Jack，如果你能大点声。我把麦克风移过去。\n\n官方口译员：哦，好的。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：看看这样行不行。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士继续询问：\n\n问：好的。郭先生，从表 A-B 的第 1 题开始。关于表 A-B 的第 1 题，该题询问您是否在任何不动产住宅或建筑物或类似财产中拥有任何法定权益或衡平法权益。您对该第 1 题的回答是否定的，郭先生。这是一个准确的回答吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：郭先生，在 2018 年至您于 2022 年 2 月申请破产期间，您是否拥有过任何不动产？\n\n官方口译员：能重复一下吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 8 1 那个问题？2 由 CLAIBORN 女士继续询问：在 2018 年至您于 2022 年 2 月申请破产期间，您是否拥有过任何不动产？官方口译员：能重复一下那个问题吗？他说他没听清。7 由 CLAIBORN 女士继续询问：郭先生——10 BALDIGA 先生：不好意思。我听不清。官方口译员：他说他没听懂翻译。我只是想先确认我听懂了。14 CLAIBORN 女士：我再重复一遍问题。15 官方口译员：好的。16 由 CLAIBORN 女士继续询问：郭先生，在 2018 年至 2022 年 2 月期间，您是否拥有过任何不动产？19 答：没有。问：郭先生，截至 2022 年 2 月申请破产时，您在全世界任何地方拥有任何不动产的衡平法权益吗？23 答：没有。问：郭先生，截至 2022 年 2 月申请破产时，\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n1 在全世界任何地方拥有任何不动产吗？\n2 答：没有。\n3 问：郭先生，您曾在香港拥有过任何不动产吗？\n4\n5 答：没有。\n6 私人口译员：回答是什么？\n7\n8 官方口译员：没有。\n9 由 CLAIBORN 女士继续询问：\n10 问：郭先生，您是否曾拥有位于香港南湾道 16A 号的物业？\n11\n12 答：没有。\n13 问：郭先生，您目前在纽约市的雪梨荷兰酒店（Sherry Netherland）拥有一套公寓吗？\n14\n15 官方口译员：我没听清。我能请他重复——重复一下回答吗？\n16\n17 BALDIGA 先生：你必须说——不管你打算说什么，你都必须——你是在对大家说话，不只是对 Holley，所以我需要听到你在说什么。\n18\n19\n20\n21 官方口译员：好的。我只是——我只是想请他重复——重复一下回答。\n22\n23\n24 BALDIGA 先生：好的。\n25 官方口译员：好吗？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 10\n1 证人：我不拥有纽约的那个不动产，那个 Sharon——那个 Sharons——在那个地址我不记得了，我拥有——我拥有百分之 50 的股票——股票还有——\n2\n3\n4\n5 私人口译员：不是。\n6 官方口译员：不是？\n7 私人口译员：不是。\n8 官方口译员：好的。\n9 证人：代表家族。\n10 CLAIBORN 女士：我能请您不要打断吗？您能不能等到最后，然后——\n11\n12\n13 私人口译员：好的。\n14 CLAIBORN 女士：——您可以表达您想说的任何内容？\n15\n16 私人口译员：好的。\n17 CLAIBORN 女士：您能请重新翻译一下郭先生的回答吗？\n18\n19 官方口译员：好的。我只是想重复一遍，确保——而且我说对了，您知道，他说的话。\n20\n21\n22 证人：所以，是的，他——他说，我欠——我拥有百分之 50 的——百分之 50，但我不拥有全部的不动产，我只是代表家族。\n23\n24\n25\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 11\n1 由 CLAIBORN 女士继续询问：\n2 问：郭先生，您拥有什么百分之 50 的份额？\n3 答：Bravo Luck，百分之 50 的股票粉末——权力。我不知道。我不明白。\n4\n5 私人口译员：（听不清。）\n6 官方口译员：他拥有——他说他拥有其百分之 50。\n7\n8 私人口译员：——我们听你说话很清楚，Holley。\n9\n10 CLAIBORN 女士：好的。我打算请——我打算——\n11\n12 私人口译员：我不知道麦克风是否连接上了任何设备。\n13\n14 CLAIBORN 女士：连上了。连上了。Jeff，你能大点声吗？\n15\n16 官方口译员：郭先生说他欠——他拥有百分之 50 的——的股票。它是像不动产的股票还是什么？我不知道。我没听懂。但是如果她想帮忙，你可以帮忙。您想让他帮一点忙吗？\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22 CLAIBORN 女士：我宁愿不要。\n23 官方口译员：好的。\n24 CLAIBORN 女士：那么，我只——我会提出后续问题。\n25\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 12\n官方口译员：好的。\nBALDIGA 律师：好的。但我需要听听是不是翻译有误，所以——\nCLAIBORN 律师：如果可以的话，我想问一个澄清性的问题。\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n问：郭先生，你是否拥有一家名为 Bravo Luck 的公司50%的股份？\n答：我代表我的家族持有50%的股份。\n问：郭先生，当你使用……这个词时——\nBALDIGA 律师：我能听一下刚才的回答吗？你能重复一遍吗？\n官方口译员：好的。我代表我的家族持有该公司……该公司的50%股份。\nBALDIGA 律师：好的。\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n问：郭先生，当你说是家族时，你的意思是什么？\n答：我的家族是一个大家族，包括很多人。我的孩子，我的嫂子/弟媳们，所有人都在一起。很多人。\n问：郭先生，谁拥有……的权益——\nBALDIGA 律师：对不起。我们确实有一个翻译方面的问题。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n私人口译员：我只是想问一下，口译是应该进行概括（听不清）吗？\nCLAIBORN 律师：在 Jeff 先生能力范围内，口译应当是逐字逐句的。\n私人口译员：对。所以如果郭先生说了“我的儿子、我的女儿、我的兄弟、我的嫂子、我的侄子、我的侄女，许多人”，然后如果口译员说“嗯，我的很多家人和我的兄弟，许多人”，那么这样到底算正确还是不正确？\nCLAIBORN 律师：我更希望 Jeff 先生尽可能按字面意思翻译。那么按照这个指示，我们能不能——\n官方口译员：好的。\nCLAIBORN 律师：——在接下来的过程中尽可能做到精确？谢谢。\nBALDIGA 律师：谢谢。\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n问：那么，郭先生，是谁拥有名为 Bravo Luck 的公司？\n答：我的儿子。\n问：你儿子叫什么名字？\n答：Cheng Wu（郭强）。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 14\n问：你儿子拥有 Bravo Luck 多长时间了？\n答：我不记得了。\n私人口译员：请再说一遍。\n官方口译员：我不记得了。\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n问：那么，郭先生，在你解释你对 Sherry Netherland（雪莉-荷兰酒店）所拥有的所有权权益时，你所说的拥有50%是指什么的50%？\nBALDIGA 律师：反对。你可以翻译。\n官方口译员：Holley，你能把那个再重复一遍吗？\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n问：郭先生，你作证说你拥有某家公司50%的股份，那是针对我问你是否拥有 Sherry Netherland 公寓所作的回答。请你解释一下你的意思好吗？\n答：Sherry 是一家共同产权公寓（co-op）。它没有……它没有……它没有所有权。\n私人口译员：Holley 女士，我可以插一句吗？\nBALDIGA 律师：当然可以。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 15\n\n私人口译员：你得说大声点。\nCLAIBORN 律师：好的。我们在这里先暂停一下。\n（休庭/记录暂停）\nCLAIBORN 律师：好的。短暂休息后我们恢复记录，郭先生，你依然处于宣誓状态。\nJeff，你能重新翻译一下吗？\n官方口译员：好的。\nCLAIBORN 律师：最后一个问题。你要我再问一遍吗？\n官方口译员：好的。你能再问一遍吗？\nCLAIBORN 律师：好的。我再试一次。\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n问：郭先生，你今天作证说你拥有某家公司50%的权益，那是你在回答我关于你是否在 Sherry Netherland 拥有一套公寓的问题时给出的答案。你能解释一下你的回答吗？\nBALDIGA 律师：反对。\n证人：我不知道该怎么解释。他说 Sherry Netherland 是一家共同产权公寓。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 16\n我对该物业没有房产契据（deed），我只是代表我的家族拥有50%的权利。\nBALDIGA 律师：对不起。请继续。\n私人口译员：因为……郭先生确实提到了 Bravo Luck 这个公司名称，而口译员先生没有说出 Bravo Luck 这个词，这家公司持有 Sherry Netherland 的权益，而郭先生代表家族拥有 Bravo Luck 50%的股份，Bravo Luck 是拥有 Sherry Netherland 的控股公司。Sherry Netherland 是一家共同产权公寓。\nBALDIGA 律师：因此，鉴于口译员未能提供证人使用的确切字词，我将提出持续反对。我并不是在归咎责任或怎样，但这显然对证言的质量至关重要，而且也是必要的。\nCLAIBORN 律师：我们需要——\nBALDIGA 律师：我们必须使用证人所用的字词。\nCLAIBORN 律师：我相信 Jeff 今天会尽最大努力把所有内容都直译出来。\nBALDIGA 律师：谢谢。\nCLAIBORN 律师：但请理解，\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n\n这个房间里的人对一些术语的熟悉程度是 Jeff 先生所不具备的。所以只要大家在回答问题时使用的是公司名称的简称或者单字，回答就应当尽可能具体——\n官方口译员：好的，我——\nCLAIBORN 律师：——如果你能把这话翻译过去的话。\n官方口译员：——尽我所能，但老实说，Holley，那位口译员可能更了解案情和细节。\nCLAIBORN 律师：我同意。你能……\n官方口译员：但如果他——\nCLAIBORN 律师：——你能把我刚才说的话翻译给郭先生吗，因为我想确保……\n官方口译员：噢。\nCLAIBORN 律师：——他以易于翻译的方式回答问题。\n官方口译员：我刚才告诉他了，回答要……你知道的，简短明确，但我基本明白他在说什么，而且——\nCLAIBORN 律师：请你能把郭先生对你这番话的回答或评论翻译过来吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n评论？\n官方口译员：他说他会尽量回答得简短明了，并且……但他需要尽可能多地解释细节，因为这……这关乎他的命脉。\nCLAIBORN 律师：Sarnoff 先生？\nSARNOFF 律师：是的。我只是想明确一点，只要口译员……翻译人员，即官方翻译人员与郭先生的口译员之间存在分歧，官方翻译人员就是最终裁决者；除非官方翻译人员认同郭先生口译员提出的翻译差异，否则他们必须在私下协商解决，然后我们才能采纳郭先生个人口译员所说的郭先生的原话。\nBALDIGA 律师：我不接受这一点。\nSARNOFF 律师：那没关系。\nBALDIGA 律师：那可以代表你的立场。\nSARNOFF 律师：好的。为了记录准确无误，立场必须是官方翻译人员必须认同郭先生口译员关于郭先生所说内容的意见。\nBALDIGA 律师：那……我理解你的立场。\n官方口译员：所以，Holley，如果我漏掉了任何内容，他的个人口译员想要补全我漏掉的某些细节信息，如果我认同……你知道的，我漏掉的或他所说的内容，允许她补充可以吗？也许我漏掉了一些细节信息和一些——\nCLAIBORN 律师：我认为今天更好的方式——\n官方口译员：好的。\nCLAIBORN 律师：——以及为了清晰的翻译和明确的记录——\n官方口译员：好的。\nCLAIBORN 律师：——是由你，Jeff，来口译\n官方口译员：嗯。\nCLAIBORN 律师：——我的提问，并口译郭先生的回答。\n官方口译员：好的。\nCLAIBORN 律师：如果郭先生根据你的口译认为你翻译得不准确，那么他可以重新作证，你也可以重新尝试。\n但我希望限制翻译人员之间发生的互动，\n\n以及与郭先生个人翻译之间的互动，以便我们有一份官方记录，其中提问的人是我，提问被官方翻译，郭先生作出回答，回答同样被官方翻译。\nBALDIGA 律师：但是，Holley，这样做的症结在于，证人并不知道 Jeff 的英文陈述是否确实准确。你不能把这事交给证人决定。这就是为什么我们需要核对口译员。如果他会说英语，那我们根本不需要任何口译员。他做不到这一点。\nCLAIBORN 律师：我认为从实际情况来看，郭先生懂足够的英语，能知道自己是否回答了问题。\nBALDIGA 律师：不，他不懂。我反对。\nCLAIBORN 律师：好吧，我……我认为这是我从个人经验中看到的。\n话虽如此，我们将尽最大努力去做好——\nBALDIGA 律师：我同意。\nCLAIBORN 律师：——我们拭目以待。\nBALDIGA 律师：好的。\nCLAIBORN 律师：可以吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 21\n\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n问：那么回到问答环节。郭先生，你是否拥有 Genever Holdings Corporation（日思控股公司）的权益？\n答：我只是……实际上我没有，但我只是持有……我只是代表我的家族持有部分权益。\n问：除你之外，是否还有其他人获授权代表 Genever Holdings Corporation 行事？\n答：我的儿子。\n问：是否存在一份文件，记录了你对 Genever Holdings Corporation 的所有权权益（无论该权益为何）？\nBALDIGA 律师：反对。你……你可以回答。\n证人：没有。\n私人口译员：Holley 女士，我可以……首先，上一次……当他在说……向证人指示他的证言应当如何陈述时，我认为口译员……官方口译员并没有翻译你的指示。他是在告诉证人他应该怎么做，而不是你在说什么。\n而且，刚才证人说他问了口译员两次……你所说的是 ownership（所有权），你所说的是 ownership interest（所有权权益）。刚才他两次使用了这些词，最后 Jeff 先生说了“是”。然后，他就回答了“没有”，但刚才那段互动根本没有被翻译出来。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 22\nCLAIBORN 律师：Jeff 先生，你能翻译一下吗？\n官方口译员：我不知道她刚才说了什么。我不知道。我没听懂她在说什么。\n私人口译员：我的意思是，每一个词都应该被翻译。证人……证人说的每一个词都应该被翻译。Holley 女士的话也应该被翻译，对吧？\nCLAIBORN 律师：是的。\n私人口译员：对。但他……没有翻译 Holley 女士的……而且你也没有翻译郭先生所说的所有话。\n官方口译员：好吧。也许……也许我们应该让她来翻译。我请求退席。我不知道——\nCLAIBORN 律师：我打算把——\n官方口译员：——我不熟悉——\nCLAIBORN 律师：——我打算把\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 23\n\n事情先暂停片刻。\n\n官方口译员：好的，好的，好的。\n\n（休庭/记录暂停）\n\nCLAIBORN 律师：好的。短暂休息后我们恢复记录。\n\n郭先生，你依然处于宣誓状态。\n\nCLAIBORN 律师提问：\n\n问：郭先生，你今天身上带了任何美元现金吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问 当你申请破产案时，你拥有任何美国货币吗？\n\n答 没有。\n\n问 郭先生（Kwok），你拥有任何外国货币吗？\n\n答 没有。\n\n问 郭先生，你拥有任何数字货币吗？\n\n答 没有。\n\n问 郭先生，你在美国境内拥有任何形式的金融账户吗？\n\n答 没有。\n\n问 郭先生，你在美国境外拥有任何形式的金融账户吗？\n\n答 没有。\n\n问 在3月21日，你作证说你没有\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日\n1 工作，也没有收入来源。谁来支付你的\n2 家庭开支？\n3 答 有时是我儿子，有时是我妻子，或者\n4 有时是我的其他家庭成员。\n5 问 你可以使用任何信用卡吗？\n6 答 不能。\n7 问 你可以使用任何关联到银行账户的\n8 借记卡吗？\n9 答 不能。\n10 问 你如何支付杂货开销？\n11 答 我儿子、我妻子、我家庭成员的\n12 公司来支付。\n13 问 你儿子住在哪里？\n14 答 伦敦。\n15 问 你儿子如何给你汇款？\n16 答 他在纽约的一家公司设有一个家族办公室（family office）。\n17\n18 问 家族办公室给你钱吗？\n19 答 他们支付上述开支。\n20 问 家族办公室这个词是什么意思？\n21 BALDIGA 先生：反对。你可以回答。\n22 官方翻译员：我可以要求——\n23 要求他重复一遍吗？\n24 CLAIBORN 女士：可以。\n25 官方翻译员：好的。你能\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 25\n\n--\nBALDIGA 先生：对。他还必须\n为证人翻译我说的话。\nCLAIBORN 女士：你还没说什么呢，\n他打算让他重复他的回答，\n然后他会进行翻译，之后我们可以\n进行任何你想进行的讨论。\n私人翻译员：律师\n提出了反对。翻译员没有翻译\n该反对。\nCLAIBORN 女士：我很乐意重复\n这个问题，但如果大家在基本问题上\n不断打断，我们今天将无法以有意义的\n方式取得任何进展。\nBALDIGA 先生：不，我没有打断，但是\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：那我再试一次。\nBALDIGA 先生：好的。但稍等。如果我\n提出反对或者我说任何其他话，那都必须\n被翻译。\nCLAIBORN 女士：你没有留出\n翻译的空档。那么，Jeff 先生，你能翻译\n刚才发生的这段对话吗？\n官方翻译员：好的。我不知道。只是打断太多了。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 26 1 CLAIBORN 女士：对。 2 官方翻译员：Holley，我没法——继续这么做了。我太分心了，而且 3 我不知道。这只是一个简单的——让证人 4 只是简单重复一下，然后—— 6 CLAIBORN 女士：让我试着—— 官方翻译员：——这就把 7 8 所有人全卷进来了。 CLAIBORN 女士：没错。让我—— 9 10 官方翻译员：我们不会取得 11 任何进展。 12 CLAIBORN 女士：让我再试一下 13 这个问题。 14 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问： 问 郭先生，你所说的家族办公室这个词 15 16 是什么意思？ BALDIGA 先生：反对。你可以回答。 17 CLAIBORN 女士：Baldiga 先生，那个词 18 文件里到处都是。你能重复——翻译吗？ 19 - 20 官方翻译员：不，我不会取得任何进展。Holley，我只能退出了。我很 21 22 抱歉。这——这行不—— 23 CLAIBORN 女士：请暂停一下录音。 官方翻译员：——这太 25\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 27\n\n过分了。\n（暂停记录）\nCLAIBORN 女士：短暂休会后，我们恢复记录。\n郭先生，你仍处于宣誓状态。在休会期间，我与 Baldiga 律师进行了沟通，我们已同意保留对提问形式的所有反对意见。\n我将回到我的提问。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士提问：\n问 我们在休会前停下的问题是，家族办公室这个词是什么意思？\n答 他们代表我的大家庭。这是一家我儿子、我女儿、我妻子的公司，是一家代表我家庭进行投资的公司。\n问 公司的名称是什么？\n答 Golden Spring Europe（源泉欧洲）。\n问 你的意思是指 Golden Spring New York（源泉纽约）吗？\n答 大致是这个名字。\n问 谁为你吃的饭食买单？\n答 有时是我妻子的公司，有时是我的家族办公室、我儿子的公司。\n问 郭先生，当你使用家族办公室这个词时，你指的是名为 Golden Spring New York Limited（源泉纽约有限公司）的公司吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 28 官方翻译员：公司的名称 1 2 是什么？我可以——你能重复一下吗？ 3 CLAIBORN 女士：名称是 Golden Spring 4 New York Limited。 5 证人：是的。 6 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问： 7 问 在你的破产案中，你提交了一份 8 涵盖你2月份开支的 9 报告。 10 官方翻译员：我可以再重复 11 一遍吗？ 12 CLAIBORN 女士：也许我再试一次。 官方翻译员：谢谢你。 13 14 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问： 15 问 郭先生，你提交了一份涵盖2022年2月份的月度运营 16 报告，该报告显示你花费了大约 $160,000。 17 BALDIGA 先生：反对。我反对。 18 19 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问： 20 问 谁为这笔 $160,000 的支出提供了资金？ 21 答 一部分来自 Golden Spring 家族办公室 22 以及该公司，一部分由我妻子和我的 23 妻子的公司支付。 24 问 你妻子的公司名称是什么？ 25 答 Greenwich（格林威治），在康涅狄格州。\n\nCase 1:23-cr-001\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 29\n1 问 你指的是该公司吗？\n2 答 是的，公司名称。\n3 问 你妻子的公司 Greenwich 支付了\n4 哪些开支？\n5 答 主要是食物，因为我住在我妻子的\n6 房子里。我们分摊保洁费用，因为开支——\n7 以及花园维护开支。\n8 未具名发言人：好的。我们能暂停\n9 一小会儿吗，以便我和我的联席律师谈谈？\n10 或者和我的合伙人。\n11 BALDIGA 先生：不，我们等等就行。\n12 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问：\n13 问 你妻子的公司 Greenwich 是从哪里\n14 获取资金的？\n15 答 我不知道。\n16 问 你妻子的公司 Greenwich 有没有\n17 支付任何专业费用？\n18 答 我不知道。\n19 问 你的妻子是实际进行\n20 付款的人吗？\n21 答 是的。\n22 问 你的妻子有支票账户吗？\n23 答 我不知道。\n24 问 你的妻子有借记卡吗？\n25 答 我不知道。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 30 1 问 当你和你的妻子在餐馆吃饭时， 2 谁来买单？ 3 答 我从没和我的妻子去过餐馆。 4 问 从未去过？ 5 答 我想我是被这些人追赶，而且我 6 从未去过。我想我——你知道，我想我是 7 被这些人追赶。 8 问 你的妻子买杂货吗？ 9 答 有时买。 10 问 她如何付款？ 11 答 我不知道。 12 问 为什么 Golden Spring New York 会支付 13 你的部分个人开支？ 14 答 因为我是家庭成员之一，而且 15 我儿子非常成功，他非常爱我。 16 问 还有其他原因吗？ 17 答 我不知道。 18 问 Golden Spring 支付了你的 19 哪些个人生活开支？ 20 答 安保方面的开支，因为我在后面被那些人追赶，还有 21 交通、衣物以及一些生活用品。 22 23 问 在 Golden Spring New York 是谁—— 24 CLAIBORN 女士：等一下。我要 25\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 31\n1 问一个完整的问题。\n2 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问：\n3 问 那么在 Golden Spring New York，是谁\n4 批准支付你的个人\n5 生活开支的？\n6 答 我儿子。\n7 问 请解释一下你儿子是如何批准\n8 那些付款的。\n9 答 我通常与 Golden Spring 的\n10 公司经理兼 CEO（首席执行官）沟通。\n11 私人翻译员：（听不清）\n12 是董事（director），不是经理。\n13 官方翻译员：你能——\n14 好的。是董事，不是经理。\n15 BALDIGA 先生：谢谢。\n16 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问：\n17 问 郭先生，你刚才提到的\n18 董事或经理是谁？\n19 答 王雁平（Wang Yanping）。\n20 问 Ping 女士是 Golden Spring New York 的\n21 高级管理人员（officer）吗？\n22 答 她是一位女士（Miss）。她是一位女士。\n23 问 Ping 女士是 Golden Spring New York 的\n24 公司高级管理人员吗？\n25 答 是的。是的。公司。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 32 1 问 她的头衔是什么？ 2 答 她是一名主管人员（officer）或董事。 3 问 她有职位头衔吗？ 4 答 我不知道。 5 问 郭先生，你是 Golden Spring New York 的 6 公司高级管理人员吗？ 7 答 现在吗？ 8 问 是的。 9 答 不是。 10 问 郭先生，你过去是否曾经是 11 Golden Spring New York 的公司高级管理人员？ 12 答 2015年公司成立时 13 我似乎有一个头衔。我忘了当时 14 是什么头衔了。 15 问 郭先生，你是否拥有 Golden Spring New York 的 16 任何权益？ 17 答 没有。 18 问 过去，你是否曾拥有 Golden Spring New York 的 19 任何形式的所有权权益？ 20 答 没有。 21 问 你是否参与了 22 Golden Spring New York 的设立？ 23 答 是的。 24 问 你在 Golden Spring New York 的设立中 25 扮演了什么角色？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 33\n1 答 顾问，并提供建议、意见。\n2 问 你儿子参与了\n3 Golden Spring New York 的设立吗？\n4 答 他是主要人员。他——他曾是\n5 主要人员。\n6 问 当 Golden Spring New York 设立时，\n7 谁拥有 New York——Golden\n8 New——Golden Spring New York 的所有权权益？\n9 答 我儿子。\n10 问 Golden Spring Hong Kong（源泉香港）是否拥有\n11 Golden Spring New York 的任何所有权权益？\n12 答 我不知道权益的具体细节，\n13 因为这两者——两者结合，\n14 被视为一回事。\n15 问 Golden Spring Hong Kong 是独立于\n16 Golden Spring New York 的一家公司吗？\n17 答 我不知道。\n18 问 谁拥有 Golden Spring Hong Kong？\n19 答 我儿子。\n20 问 2015年 Golden Spring New York 设立时，\n21 谁拥有 Golden Spring Hong Kong？\n22 答 我不知道。\n23 问 你是 Golden Spring Hong Kong 的\n24 公司高级管理人员吗？\n25 答 我不记得了。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 问 你是否曾经是 Golden Spring Hong Kong 的公司高级管理人员？ 答 我不记得了。 问 你是否拥有 Golden Spring Hong Kong 的任何所有权权益？ 答 没有。 问 过去，你是否曾拥有 Golden Spring Hong Kong 的所有权权益？ 答 没有。 问 Golden Spring New York 从事什么类型的业务？ 答 我不知道。 问 Golden Spring New York 如何产生营业收入？ 答 我不知道。 私人翻译员：Holley 女士，我不知道这是否——（听不清）他说的是 Golden Spring New York 如何产生营业收入（generate revenue）， 19 不是 Golden Spring New York 如何赚钱（making money），\n\n20 对吧？\n21 CLAIBORN 女士：那基本上就是我的 22 问题。 23 私人翻译员：对，所以 24 翻译员不应该这样——向郭先生 25 翻译成 Golden Spring New York——Golden\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 - 11: 35 1 Spring New York 如何赚钱。 2 3 官方翻译员：产生收益， 4 对。产生营业收入，产生资金。 5 私人翻译员：不，但你说了 6 7 CLAIBORN 女士：我很乐意明确地 8 提问。 9 由 CLAIBORN 女士提问： 10 问 Golden Spring New York 如何 11 赚钱？ 12 答 我不知道。 13 问 在2015年，你是否参与了 14 Golden Spring New York 的业务？ 15 答 我不记得了。 16 问 你是否曾向 Golden Spring New York 17 赠与金钱？ 18 答 没有。 19 问 你是否曾向 Golden Spring 20 New York 给过任何钱？ 21 答 没有。 22 问 你是否曾向 Golden Spring New York 23 转让过任何形式的任何财产？ 24 答 没有。 25 问 你是否曾为 Golden Spring New\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 36 1 以任何方式与纽约（Golden Spring New York）产生关联？ 2 答： 没有。 3 问： 你是否曾借钱给 Golden Spring New York（金泉纽约）？ 4 5 答： 没有。 6 问： 你是否曾将自己的钱投资于 Golden Spring New York？ 7 8 答： 没有。 9 Yanping Wang（王雁平）在公司担任什么职务？ 10 答： 高级管理人员和董事。 11 12 问： Yanping Wang 是 Golden Spring New York 的总裁吗？ 13 14 答： 是的。 15 Golden Spring New York 是否还有其他公司高级管理人员？ 16 17 答： 有。 18 问： 他们是谁？ 19 答： 他们的名字我记不太清了。 20 21 问： 请告诉我你记得的内容。 22 答： 什么——我不记得他们的名字了， 23 记得不清楚，而且——因为我连律师的名字都记不住。我不想误导你， 24 25 Holley。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 37\n1 问： Golden Spring New\n2 York 有多少名高级管理人员？\n3 答： 我不记得了。噢，我不知道。\n4 抱歉。我不知道。\n5 问： Golden Spring New York 有\n6 董事吗？\n7 答： Yanping Wang。\n8 问： Wang 女士是 Golden\n9 Spring New York 唯一的董事吗？\n10 答： 我不知道。\n11 问： Golden Spring New York 用来支付你个人开销的\n12 钱是从哪里来的？\n13 答： 我不知道。\n14 问： Golden Spring New York 有\n15 员工吗？\n16 答： 有。\n17 问： 有多少人？\n18 答： 我不知道。\n19 问： 你目前是否以任何方式参与\n20 Golden Spring New York 的业务？\n21 答： 没有。\n22 问： Golden Spring New York 拥有什么资产？\n23 答： 我不知道。\n24 问： Golden Spring New York 愿意借给\n25 你总计 $8 million。它是从哪里获得这\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 38 1 $8 million 的？ 2 答： 我不知道。 3 问： 是你要求 Golden Spring 4 New York 借给你 $8 million 的吗？ 5 答： 不是。 6 问： 是谁要求 Golden Spring New York 借给 7 你 $8 million 的？ 8 答： 我的律师。 9 问： 哪位律师？ 10 答： 这里的 Aaron Mitchell。 11 问： 你指的是 Aaron Mitchell 吗？ 12 答： 我现在想起来他的名字了。 13 未具名发言人： 仅为记录在案， 14 我不确定 Mitchell 先生是否已经登记 15 出庭。如果他要在这里代表债务人，他（听不清）他的出庭 16 登记是合宜的。 17 CLAIBORN 女士： 我相信我今天早些时候确实读到了 Mitchell 18 19 先生的名字。 未具名发言人： 他尚未提交—— 20 21 CLAIBORN 女士： 他确实签署了—— 22 未具名发言人： ——本案的出庭通知。 23 24 CLAIBORN 女士： 谢谢。你能 25 翻译一下吗？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 39\n\n官方翻译员： 我没有完全听清。我知道距离有点远。我不——\n\n由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n\n问： Golden Spring New York 有银行账户吗？\n\n答： 我不知道。\n\n问： 你有权限使用 Golden Spring New York 的财务账户吗？\n\n答： 没有。\n\n问： 你是否有权代表 Golden Spring New York 进行金融交易？\n\n答： 没有。\n\n私人翻译员： 不对。不对，不是那个问题。\n\n官方翻译员： 是什么？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士： 我很乐意重复这个问题。\n\n由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n\n问： 你是否有权代表 Golden Spring New York 进行金融交易？Kwok 先生，如果你不回答——如果你不明白我的问题——\n\n官方翻译员： 他在问是否\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 40\n1 他——我是否在问他是否有权使用\n2 ——Golden Spring New York 的账户进行\n3 交易。你知道的。\n4 CLAIBORN 女士： 那不是我的问题。\n5 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n6 问： Kwok 先生，你是否有权代表\n7 Golden Spring New York 进行\n8 任何类型的金融交易？\n9 答： 没有。\n10 BALDIGA 先生： 对不起，翻译员\n11 可能有意见要表达。\n12 CLAIBORN 女士： 请你翻译一下，\n13 好吗？\n14 官方翻译员： 好的。她说\n15 是交易——金融交易的\n16 买卖——\n17 私人翻译员： 交易（Transaction）。\n18 官方翻译员： ——交易\n19 进行——\n20 私人翻译员： 不是买卖（trading）。\n21 官方翻译员： 他说，\n22 没有，他没有——我没有被授权进行\n23 交易、金融交易。\n24 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n25 问： 你目前为 Golden Spring New York 做些什么（如有）？\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 41\n1\n2 答： 没有。\n3 问： Golden Spring New York 是否在资助你\n4 儿子的个人生活费用？\n5 答： 我不知道。\n6 问： Golden Spring New York 是否在资助你\n7 女儿的个人生活费用？\n8 答： 我不知道。\n9 问： 你欠 Golden Spring New\n10 York 钱吗？\n11 答： 是的。\n12 问： 多少钱？\n13 答： 大约超过 $21 million。\n14 问： 你是怎么欠 Golden Spring New\n15 York 超过 $21 million 的？\n16 答： 因为在过去的五年里，我\n17 被很多债权人起诉。\n18 问： Golden Spring New York 是否——\n19 CLAIBORN 女士： 我很抱歉。\n20 官方翻译员： 我只是让他\n21 重复一遍。\n22 证人： 在过去的五年里，\n23 我一直被中国共产党追击。\n24 官方翻译员： 我没听清\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n1 时间。 2 BALDIGA 先生： 简短——简短回答。 3 证人： 在过去的五年里，我陷入了——陷入了来自中国 4 共产党的一些案件，由中国共产党 5 设计的案件，包括过去的案件，那个案件。我需要——需要支付大量的律师费， 6 所以这就是为什么我得到了 Golden Spring New York 的支持。 7 这是我欠下 $21 8 9 million 的主要原因。 10 11 私人翻译员： 翻译遗漏了那个，律师——律师费。 12 官方翻译员： 说了，我说了 13 律师费。我说了那个。我说律师费了吗？ 14 私人翻译员： 我觉得没有，不过只要你说了就行。 15 16 17 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问： 18 问： 这 $21 million 中有多少是 19 由律师费构成的？ 20 官方翻译员： 你能再重复 21 一遍吗？ 22 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问： 23 问： 这 $21 million 中有多少—— 24 官方翻译员： 好的。 25 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nCase 1:23-cr-00118-A\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 43\n1 问： ——是由律师费构成的？\n2 答： 我想大部分都是律师费。\n3 问： 为什么 Golden Spring New York 要支付你的\n4 律师费？\n5 答： 因为 Golden Spring New York 是我\n6 儿子和我家族的公司，他们非常\n7 爱我。他们希望——他们希望我活着，而不是被\n8 我身后的人害死。\n9 问： 你与 Golden Spring New York 有任何书面协议吗？\n10 11 答： 有。\n12 问： 你与 Golden Spring New York 之间有什么法律——抱歉。有什么书面\n13 协议？\n14 答： 是借款——借钱的\n15 协议。\n16 问： 你是什么时候签订那份借钱\n17 协议的？\n18 答： 几年前。我知道——我不知道\n19 大致时间。\n20 私人翻译员： 我记不得了。\n21 CLAIBORN 女士： 什么——\n22 官方翻译员： 什么——是的，我\n23 不记得时间了。\n24 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n25 问： 与 Golden Spring New York 签订的法律协议的条款是什么\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 44 ？抱歉。让我 1 重新表述一下。与 Golden Spring New York 签订的书面 2 协议的条款是什么？ 3 4 答： 我不记得了。 5 未具名发言人： 抱歉。能请您 6 重复一下英语吗？ 7 CLAIBORN 女士： 请讲，再说一遍—— 8 重复一下。 9 官方翻译员： 我不 10 记得了。 11 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问： 12 问： 根据与 Golden Spring New York 的那份书面协议，你是否有义务偿还 13 所有的钱？ 14 15 答： 是的。 16 BALDIGA 先生： 这个问题还没问完。 17 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问： 18 问： 即 Golden Spring 代表你支付给律师的 19 20 钱。 21 答： 是的。 22 私人翻译员： 这只是翻译上的（听不清）差异。 23 24 例如，翻译员没有翻译根据 25 协议，你是否有义务将它们全部——\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n1 偿还所有的钱。所有的钱，即，\n2 你知道的——\n3 BALDIGA 先生： 好的。\n4 私人翻译员： ——花在律师身上的钱。\n5 6 BALDIGA 先生： 也许 Holley 可以澄清\n7 一下。\n8 私人翻译员： 是的。\n9 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n10 问： 我要问一个很长的问题。我\n11 将把它分成几部分。\n12 Kwok 先生，你是否有义务向 Golden\n13 Spring New York 偿还 Golden Spring New York 代表你\n14 支付给律师的\n15 所有费用？\n16 答： 是的。\n17 问： 与 Golden Spring New\n18 York 的那份协议是书面的吗？\n19 答： 是的。\n20 问： 那就是你几分钟前\n21 提到的同一份书面协议吗？\n22 答： 是的。\n23 问： 你与 Golden Spring New York 是否有不止一份\n24 书面协议？\n25 答： 是的。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 46 1 问： 你与 Golden Spring New York 还有什么其他书面 2 协议？ 3 答： 在过去的一周里，我和 Logan 4 Cheng 有一个案件。与 Logan Cheng 的和解，用于——用于和解的 5 钱是我从 Golden Spring New York 借的 6 钱。 7 问： 你与 Golden Spring New York 还有其他书面协议 8 吗？ 9 答： 我不记得了。 10 问： Golden Spring New York 是否与在诉讼中代表 11 你的任何律师签订了收费 12 协议？ 13 Kwok 先生，你能——你能回答吗？ 14 官方翻译员： 与——有任何协议，你能再重复一次吗？ 15 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问： 16 问： Golden Spring New York 是否与代表 17 18 Kwok 先生进行诉讼的任何律师签订了——任何形式的收费协议？ 19 20 答： 我不知道。 21 问： Kwok 先生，在你在伦敦对瑞银（UBS）提起的 22 诉讼中，谁代表你？ 23 答： 律师——伦敦的律师事务所。 24 问： 叫什么名字？ 25 答： 我不太记得完整的\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 47\n\n英文名字了。\n\n问： Golden Spring New York 是否与伦敦的那位律师签订了收费\n协议？\n\n答： 应该有。\n\nBALDIGA 先生： 抱歉。回答\n是什么？\n\n官方翻译员： 应该有。\n\n由 CLAIBORN 女士发问：\n\n问： 你是否知道它是否确实有足够——有\n收费协议？\n\n答： 我不确定。\n\n问： Golden Spring New\nYork 批准支付你诉讼\n费用的人是谁？\n\n答： 我儿子。\n\n问： 你儿子为了你的利益使用 Golden Spring New York 的钱，\n是否必须与其他人商量？\n\n答： 是的。\n\n问： 你儿子需要和谁商量？\n\n答： 他需要和我的家族成员商量，\n其中包括 100 多名家族成员，那\n是因为他们有一个基金。\n\n私人翻译员： 那个——\n人数是 181。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 48 1 由 CLAIBORN 女士发问： 2 问： Kwok 先生，如果你儿子想给你 3 $100，他是否必须向 Golden Spring 4 New York 的某人寻求授权？ 5 答： 我不知道。 6 问： 当你说你儿子必须与 Golden 7 Spring New York 的某人商量时，他需要与多少人 8 商量？ 9 答： 我不知道细节。 10 问： 关于 Golden Spring New York 愿意借给你的 11 $8 million，针对那笔交易，你儿子是否必须获得 Golden 12 13 Spring New York 其他人的同意？ 14 答： 我不知道。 15 问： 你去过 Golden Spring New York 在纽约市的 16 办公室吗？ 17 答： 去过。 18 问： 你多久去一次 Golden Spring 19 New York 在纽约市的办公室？ 20 答： 不——不固定。有时我一个月去 21 几次。有时我已经——我已经几个月没去 22 过了。 23 问： 你最后一次去 Golden 24 Spring New York 办公室是什么时候？ 25 答： 昨天。\n\n案号 Case 1:23-cr-001\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日\n\n问：你为什么去？\n\n答：为了准备今天的会议。\n\n问：你儿子就这笔 $8 million 的贷款与 Yanping Wang（王雁平）谈过吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你有就来自 Golden Spring New York（金泉纽约）的这笔 $8 million 贷款的条款进行过谈判吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：是谁代表你谈判了这笔 $8 million 的贷款？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\n问：哪位律师？\n\n答：Aaron Mitchell（亚伦·米切尔）。\n\n问：Aaron Mitchell 律师是同金泉纽约的哪个人谈判的？\n\n官方口译员：您能重复一下吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士（Ms. Claiborn）提问：\n\n问：Aaron Mitchell 律师是同金泉纽约的哪个人谈判的？\n\n答：我不知道。我儿子。\n\n问：你在2022年2月从 Lamp Capital, LLC（兰普资本有限责任公司）借了 $1 million 吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：来自兰普资本有限责任公司的这笔贷款有书面文件吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.（菲奥雷法庭记录与转录服务公司）\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第50页\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：来自兰普资本的贷款条款是什么？\n\n答：我不知道细节。\n\n问：谁是兰普资本有限责任公司的成员？\n\n答：我儿子。\n\n问：兰普资本有限责任公司还有其他成员吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：谁是兰普资本有限责任公司的执行成员？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：兰普资本里是谁批准了这笔贷款？\n\n答：我儿子。\n\n问：兰普资本有限责任公司的资产是什么？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：兰普资本拥有什么？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：你是否曾以任何方式向兰普资本提供过资金？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是否曾向兰普资本有限责任公司投资过任何资金？\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第51页\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：为什么是兰普资本借给你这笔 $1 million，而不是金泉纽约？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：兰普资本借给你的这笔 $1 million 的资金来源是什么？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我们要不要休庭五分钟去趟洗手间？我们定在12:10重新开庭。\n\n（休庭）\n\n克莱伯恩女士：短暂休庭后我们回到庭审记录。\n\n郭先生，你仍处于宣誓状态。\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：郭先生，你是否参与了为你伦敦诉讼案挑选代理律师？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你在伦敦的律师是否要求支付聘请定金？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你向你在伦敦的律师支付了聘请定金吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n菲奥雷法庭记录与转录服务公司\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第52页\n\n问：多少钱？\n\n答：300,000 pound。\n\n问：那笔 300,000 pound 的聘请定金是什么时候支付的？\n\n答：大约两年前。\n\n问：是谁出的定金资金？\n\n答：我儿子帮忙付——付的。\n\n问：定金全都是你儿子付的吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你儿子是用他个人的资金支付的定金吗？\n\n答：应该是来自公司，英国。\n\n问：支付定金的公司叫什么名字？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：是金泉纽约向你的伦敦律师支付的聘请定金吗？\n\n答：我不记得细节，因为除了聘请定金，之后还有——你知道，还有几笔付款。\n\n问：郭先生，如果你想去买双鞋，你会怎么付鞋钱？\n\n答：我会让金泉纽约来付。\n\n问：这个流程是怎么运作的？\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第53页\n\n答：我会跟主管和 E Wa Wang（音译：王怡华）说，让她去联系——跟我儿子说，然后把鞋钱付了。\n\n问：鞋业公司怎么收到钱？鞋店。\n\n答：我不知道。通常是王怡华和他们沟通，因为我的英语能力无法沟通。\n\n问：如果你去了一家店，试了鞋，想把鞋从店里带回家，你会怎么付鞋钱？\n\n答：在最近几年里，我基本上没买过鞋。\n\n问：你最后一次付款买的东西是什么？\n\n答：最近我没去买过任何东西。\n\n鲍尔迪加先生（Mr. Baldiga）：抱歉。您能重复一遍吗？\n\n官方口译员：最近我没去买过任何东西。\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：我的问题不是最近。我的问题是，你最后买的一件物品是什么？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：你曾在餐馆吃过饭吗？\n\n答：最近几年没有。\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第54页\n\n问：在 COVID 19（新冠疫情）之前，你在餐馆吃过饭吗？\n\n答：非常少，因为我害怕被我背后的人杀害，因为我一直处于被追杀的状态中。\n\n问：当你在餐馆吃饭时，是你付账单吗？\n\n答：我没有钱付，这就是为什么我不去那里。\n\n问：郭先生，如果你想去买杯咖啡，你会怎么付钱？\n\n答：我从没买过咖啡。我曾经——我害怕我背后的人可能会在咖啡里给我下毒。\n\n问：郭先生，如果你想买水，你在外面走动且想买水，你会怎么付钱？\n\n答：嗯，自2017年以来，我就没有——我就没有去外面买过水。\n\n私聘口译员（The Private Interpreter）：细微之处有一处（无法辨听）差异。\n\n官方口译员：你能——你能重复一下吗——你能重复——\n\n证人（The Witness）：自2017年以来，我从未去外面闲逛然后买水或咖啡。\n\n文件 312-2 提交于 04/30\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第55页\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：郭先生，你在任何共同基金中拥有任何权益吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你拥有任何债券吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你拥有任何公司的任何公开发行交易的股票吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你拥有任何汽车吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你能使用任何汽车吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你能使用谁的汽车？\n\n答：我儿子的和金泉的。\n\n问：金泉是否为你提供一辆供你使用的汽车？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：那是什么车？\n\n答：迈巴赫（Maybach）。\n\n私聘口译员：迈巴赫。\n\n官方口译员：啊？\n\n私聘口译员：迈巴赫。\n\n官方口译员：迈巴赫？好的。我不知道这个名字。我刚才\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第56页\n\n证人：迈巴赫。\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：郭先生，你有驾照吗？\n\n答：我有香港驾照。\n\n问：你在美国开车吗？\n\n答：几乎不开。\n\n问：当你确实开车时，你开谁的车？\n\n答：金泉的。\n\n问：你在格林威治（Greenwich）的住处有停放汽车吗？\n\n答：有的。\n\n问：那是辆什么车？\n\n答：迈巴赫。\n\n问：你拥有任何飞机吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你曾拥有过任何飞机吗？\n\n答：以前有。\n\n问：你什么时候拥有过飞机？\n\n答：大概2010年到2016年。\n\n问：你拥有过几架飞机？\n\n答：一架。\n\n问：那是什么飞机？\n\n答：空中客车 319（Airbus 319）。319。\n\n问：那架空中客车 319 怎么了？\n\n答：它被 UBS（瑞银）和中国共产党（Chinese Communist Party）没收了。\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第57页\n\n问：好的。你拥有任何水上船只吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：名为 Lady May（梅女士号）的游艇归谁所有？\n\n答：我女儿。\n\n问：你女儿是以她个人名义拥有梅女士号吗？\n\n答：应该是一家公司。\n\n问：拥有梅女士号的公司叫什么名字？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：梅女士号目前在哪里？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：自破产申请提交以来，你有要求你女儿把梅女士号归还至纽约吗？\n\n答：我确实要求过她，并让她去跟她的律师谈把船送回纽约。\n\n问：你是什么时候进行那次谈话的？\n\n答：上个月，在出庭日之后。在与你见面之后。\n\n问：你女儿怎么说？\n\n答：她说她会去跟她的律师谈，然后跟我的律师谈。\n\n问：你女儿同意将梅女士号\n\n菲奥雷法庭记录与转录服务公司\n\n菲奥雷法庭记录与转录服务公司\n\n菲奥雷法庭记录与转录服务公司\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第58页\n\n送回纽约了吗？\n\n答：她不愿意跟我谈任何细节。她想——她想跟她的律师谈。\n\n问：你女儿是否对你要求她将梅女士号送回纽约的请求说了不？\n\n答：没有，他没有——她没有。\n\n私聘口译员：问题没有被完整翻译。\n\n官方口译员：我知道，但她——她已经——他已经回答了而且——\n\n鲍尔迪加先生：等他讲完。\n\n证人：没有，他——没有。\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：郭先生，你在任何信托中拥有所有权或享有任何权益吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是任何信托的受益人吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：这是一个很长的问题。郭先生，在你对 Baosheng Guo（郭宝胜）的诉讼中支付给你的那张 $12,000 的支票在哪里？\n\n答：在律师的第三方托管账户里。\n\n问：持有该支票的律师叫什么名字？\n\n第60页 共134页\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第59页\n\n答：我念不全那位律师的名字。\n\n问：那位律师的名是什么？\n\n答：我无法——我读不出——念不出他的名字。\n\n问：持有该支票的律师就是在那场诉讼中代表你的同一位律师吗？\n\n答：应该是。\n\n问：在你的 Schedule A-B（财产清单 A-B）上，你没有披露那张 $12,000 的支票。为什么？\n\n鲍尔迪加先生：等等，先听问题。不。他能翻译一下吗？\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：你为什么没有披露那张 $12,000 的支票？\n\n答：我的律师认为因为这笔钱不在我的账户里，所以我不被允许——我们不——我不应该披露那个。\n\n问：好的。郭先生，你有任何专利吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你有任何著作权吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你拥有任何形式的知识产权吗？\n\n菲奥雷法庭记录与转录服务公司\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第60页\n\n答：没有。\n\n鲍尔迪加先生：抱歉打扰一下。霍莉（Holley），我不确定你是否还会回到这个问题上，但上面确实提到了这笔 $12,000。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我确实看到了。\n\n鲍尔迪加先生：噢，你说他没有披露它。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：他确实没有。这并不是对财产清单 A-B 上问题的回答。\n\n鲍尔迪加先生：它就在那儿。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我们可以在它是否已被披露上存在分歧，但我的立场是它没有被披露。我理解你可能会持不同立场。\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：郭先生，你在一家名为 Ace Decade Holdings Limited（源德控股有限公司）的公司中拥有任何权益吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你在源德控股有限公司中的所有权权益的性质是什么？\n\n答：我有这个权益，并要求瑞银偿还 $500 million。是这种权益。\n\n问：你是源德控股有限公司唯一的法定所有人吗？\n\n官方口译员：你是唯一的——您能重复一下那个问题吗？\n\n郭文贵 - 2022年4月6日 第61页\n\n克莱伯恩女士提问：\n\n问：你是源德唯一的法定所有人吗？\n\n答：我是法定代表所有人。\n\n问：源德还有其他所有人吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：你是什么时候成为源德控股有限公司的所有人的？\n\n答：在2014年底。\n\n问：这是一个很长的问题。在你在伦敦对瑞银的诉讼中，你是个人原告。你作为个人原告提出索赔的依据是什么？\n\n答：因为我是源德 100% 的代表。\n\n问：在伦敦对瑞银的诉讼中，有一项指控称源德向 Dawn State Limited（曙光州有限公司）提供了 $500 million。源德是从哪里获得的这 $500 million？\n\n答：我向我的家人借的。\n\n问：你从家人那里借了钱并给了源德吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n克莱伯恩女士：我不认为那——\n\n菲奥雷法庭记录与转录服务公司\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 62\n……我们重新开始，因为我不认为那是——\n那是——\n私人传译员：是的，我以为那是——\nCLAIBORN 女士：——那是问题所在，因为这并不涉及 Dawn State（道恩州）——\n私人传译员：是的。\nCLAIBORN 女士：——所以我要重新开始。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n你从哪里得到给 Ace Decade（王牌纪元）的那笔钱，那5亿美元？\nBALDIGA 先生：我认为他没说是他给的。我认为他说的是他的家人给的，但你可以问，但我——\n证人：来自我的家人。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n具体是你家庭中的谁给了你钱，然后你再把钱给 Ace Decade？\n回答：John Way（音译）。\n谁是 John Way？\n回答：我的一个家庭成员。\n他是你的亲属吗？\n回答：是我哥哥的表亲或者——\n私人传译员：女婿。\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 63\n官方传译员：女婿？\n好的。抱歉。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n问：在你的 Schedule A-B（资产明细表 A-B）上，你列出了一项可能针对 Boies Schiller（博斯·席勒律师事务所）的执业过失索赔。你能否解释一下那是什么？\n答：他是那个——他是代表我在纽约起诉 UBS（瑞银集团）的人。他在未经我允许的情况下向法院提交了大量强迫签署的文件。他还威胁我的家人。他还在喝醉后威胁我本人。他给我们带来了巨大的损失，包括在向——向律师或法官提交之前向我提供任何英汉翻译文件。这就是为什么我——这就是为什么我们起诉他。\n问：你是否已聘请律师在该执业过失诉讼中代表你？\n答：我儿子正在处理这件事。\n问：为什么你的儿子在就你的执业过失索赔与律师交谈？\n答：因为我需要向他借钱。\n问：选定律师了吗？\n答：还没有。\n问：郭先生，除 Ace Decade 外，你是否在任何公司拥有权益？\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 64\n答：没有，但是——我拥有 Bravo Luck（保运公司）那处公寓的部分权益，只有几个月。因为那处公寓是合作公寓，所以在我——在我们买下公寓后，他们用我的名字购买了该公寓，然后我们把股权权益归还了。\n未具名发言人：不好意思。他刚才肯定说了30、40秒。显然说的比这要多。有没有更完整的翻译？\n官方传译员：我漏掉了什么吗？\nCLAIBORN 女士：让我看看能不能追问一下。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n问：郭先生，你目前是否在 Bravo Luck 拥有权益？\n答：没有。\n问：郭先生，你是否在任何有限责任公司拥有权益？\n答：没有。\n问：郭先生，你是否在任何合伙企业拥有权益？\n答：我以前拥有一家名为 Orange（桔子）或 Shiny Time（辉煌时代）的飞机公司，但那是以前，\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 65\n现在已经不存在了。\n问：郭先生，你目前在任何合伙企业中拥有权益吗？\n答：没有。\n问：郭先生，你目前在任何合营企业中拥有权益吗？\n答：没有。\n问：除 Ace Decade 外，你目前在任何其他公司拥有权益吗？\n答：没有。我以前只拥有过 Orange 和 Shiny Time，但现在没有了。\n问：Golden Spring New York（金泉纽约）对你的任何诉讼享有担保权益吗？\n答：我欠他们钱。\n问：你是否曾向 Golden Spring New York 授予过你任何资产、你拥有的任何财产中的任何权益？\n答：没有。\n问：因此，如果你在针对 Golden Spring——抱歉，说错名字了。因此，如果你在针对 UBS 的诉讼中胜诉，你胜诉获得的任何款项是否必须支付给 Golden Spring？\n答：是的。\n问：那会是多少金额？\n答：以前是22亿美元，或者\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 66\n私人传译员：2100万美元。\n证人：2100万美元。现在是2100万美元加上更多。大概是3亿美元左右。3000万美元。或者是3000万美元。对。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n问：是否存在一份文件，规定你获得的任何诉讼赔偿款项都需要支付给 Golden Spring？\n答：是的。\n问：该文件的名称是什么？\n官方传译员：我要请他重复一遍。\n我没听清。我只是请他分段说，然后我没听到……\n证人：我在华盛顿特区有一个案子。有一家律师事务所代表我申请政治庇护，它遭到了中共的网络攻击，所以他们——那家律师事务所关闭了，他们把我的个人信息交给了共产党，然后我起诉了他们。那一笔诉讼费、律师费是由 Golden Spring New York 出资的。\n我要求的和解金额为50000——5000万美元。如果我赢了这笔钱，我将把这笔钱归还给 Golden Spring，以偿还他们资助我的律师费。\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 67\n私人传译员：郭先生说的不是和解。郭先生只是说索赔，不是和解。\n官方传译员：你在索赔5000万美元。对。他就那起诉讼索赔5000万美元，如果他胜诉——如果他赢得了这笔钱，那么他将把钱归还给 Golden Spring New York。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n问：我的问题是，你依据哪份文件向 Golden Spring 偿还诉讼费用？该文件的名称是什么？\n答：该文件是我——\n官方传译员：你能重复一下吗？\n证人：该协议是——该协议是我从 Golden Spring New York 借钱起诉律师事务所的协议。\n由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n问：该协议的名称是什么？\n答：我不记得了。\n问：是一张本票吗？\n答：我不记得了。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 68\n答：我不记得很清楚了。\n问：谁起草了这份文件？\n答：律师。\n问：起草该文件的律师名字是什么？\n答：Melissa。\n问：Melissa 的姓氏是什么？\n答：我不知道。\n问：Melissa 律师在起草该文件时代表你吗？\n答：是的。\n问：在起草该文件时由谁代表 Golden Spring？\n答：我不知道。\n问：Golden Spring 有律师吗？\n答：有。\n问：你只是不记得是谁了？\n答：他们有很多律师。\n问：是否存在多于一份的书面协议，依据这些协议你欠 Golden Spring New York 钱？\n答：是的。\n问：一共有多少份协议？\n答：大概两三份，或者三四份。我记不太清了。\n问：有人记录你从 Golden Spring New York 借的钱吗？\n\nDocument 312-\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 69\n1 你从 Golden Spring New York 借来的钱？\n2 答：我的律师会记下来。我们有记录。\n3\n4 问：那位律师的名字是什么？\n5 答：Aaron Mitchell。\n6 问：你说是 Aaron Mitchell 吗？\n7 答：哦，是的。\n8 问：Aaron Mitchell 如何记录你从 Golden Spring New\n9 York 借来的款项？\n10\n11 答：具体细节我不知道。\n12 问：受雇于 Golden Spring New York 的人中，是否有任何人记录你\n13 从 Golden Spring New York 借来的钱？\n14\n15 答：我不知道。\n16 问：你是否曾见过 Aaron Mitchell 律师出具的文件，显示你欠\n17 Golden Spring New York 多少钱？\n18\n19 答：这是我——这是我和我律师之间的事，我不应该回答。\n20\n21 BALDIGA 先生：我可以——我是说——\n22 CLAIBORN 女士：我认为这个问题不涉及——\n23\n24 BALDIGA 先生：你可以——\n25 CLAIBORN 女士：——受特权保护的回答。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 70\n1 BALDIGA 先生：那——给我一点时间。\n2 上一个问题你可以回答是或否，所以如果你\n3 再问一次，我认为他会回答是或否，然后\n4 我们可以一步一步来。\n5 由 CLAIBORN 女士询问：\n6 问：你是否曾见过 Mitchell 律师准备的文件，\n7 显示你从 Golden Spring 借了多少钱？\n8\n9 BALDIGA 先生：等等。等等，我的指示\n10 需要被翻译。\n11 官方传译员：什么？\n12 CLAIBORN 女士：你能——\n13 BALDIGA 先生：你需要指示——\n14 CLAIBORN 女士：请直接陈述，\n15 他会重新翻译。\n16 BALDIGA 先生：请告诉证人——\n17 我正在指示证人他只能回答是\n18 或否。\n19 证人：见过。\n20 CLAIBORN 女士：我还有其他问题，但\n21 考虑到时间，我认为我们可以\n22 稍作休会，然后在债权人\n23 获得提问机会时重新开庭。\n24 我建议我们在1:15重新开庭。\n25 BALDIGA 先生：可以吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 71\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：好的。谢谢。我们将在1:15重新开庭。\n\n（休会。）\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：录音已重新开始。经过短暂休会后我们恢复开庭，郭先生，你仍处于宣誓状态。\n此时，Wolman 先生有一些问题要问你，郭先生。\n\n由 WOLMAN 先生进行的讯问：\n\n问：下午好，郭先生。\n在3月21日，我曾就之前的一份宣誓证词问过你一些问题，具体是关于你援引《美国宪法》第五修正案权利的次数。\n在2021年4月1日，你是否曾因任何犯罪受到调查？\n\n官方传译员：4月21日？\n\nWOLMAN 先生：2021年4月1日。\n\n官方传译员：先生，你能重复一下那个问题吗？\n\n问：你是否曾因任何犯罪受到调查？\n\n答：来自 SEC（美国证券交易委员会）——美国 SEC，调查 GTV（GTV 媒体集团），他们可以与我们的律师沟通。\n\n问：你指的是证券交易委员会吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 72\n1 交易委员会吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：他们具体在调查什么？\n4 BALDIGA 先生：反对。\n5 我需要询问这是否会泄露\n6 特权信息。\n7 你对上一个问题的回答会是\n8 来自你律师的信息吗？\n9 私人传译员：我可以……\n10 官方传译员：她想帮忙。\n11\n12 私人传译员：因为他没有……\n13\n14 CLAIBORN 女士：我认为你应该再试一次。Baldiga 先生，也许你可以重复一下你的话，Jack 先生，你可以再试一次。\n15\n16\n17 官方传译员：你能重复一下你想说的话吗？\n18\n19 BALDIGA 先生：Wolman 先生问你因何事受到调查。你所知道的信息，是由你的律师提供给你的吗？\n20\n21\n22\n23 证人：是的。\n24 BALDIGA 先生：那么要回答这个问题——\n25\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 73\n\n律师吗？\n官方传译员：必须怎么做？泄露？\nBALDIGA 先生：你是否必须说出你的律师告诉你的内容？\n证人：是的。\nBALDIGA 先生：那么基于律师-委托人特权，我指示证人不得回答。\nWOLMAN 先生：那不是属于律师-委托人特权的信息。\nBALDIGA 先生：等等。先进行翻译。\nWOLMAN 先生：从律师那里获知的、并非专门用于提供建议或获取信息的沟通信息，不属于特权信息。如果你的律师说天是蓝的，那并不是受特权保护的沟通。\nBALDIGA 先生：他是在和我争论。并没有向你提问。\nWOLMAN 先生：Baldiga 先生，你会继续指示你的委托人不正当地援引律师-委托人特权吗？\nBALDIGA 先生：我会视具体问题做出指示。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 74 1 逐个问题提出为基础。 2 WOLMAN 先生：关于这个问题，你还会 က 坚持这项指示吗？ বী 郭先生，你是在拒绝回答我的 5 问题吗？ 6 证人：是的。 7 WOLMAN 先生：那你拒绝回答我问题的 ထ 依据是什么？ ರು BALDIGA 先生：依据律师基于律师-委托人 10 保密特权 11 给出的指示。 12 证人：因为鉴于我和律师之间的 13 特权，我不能回答 14 该问题。 15 由 WOLMAN 先生提问： 16 问：你是否曾被 Securities and Exchange Commission（证券交易委员会）17 正式起诉？ 18 答：没有。 19 问：证券交易委员会 20 是否已经结案了对你的调查？ 21 BALDIGA 先生：我必须再次要求，如果你知道的话，你可以 22 - 1 用“是”或“否”来回答。 23 答：没有。 24 问：证券交易委员会 25 是否对 GTV 提出了任何指控？\n\nFiled 04/30/24\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 75\n\n1 答：我不知道。\n2 问：在过去的五年里，你是否曾\n3 接受过 U.S. Internal Revenue\n4 Service（美国国税局）的审计查账？\n5 答：没有。\n6 问：在过去的五年里，你是否曾\n7 接受过纽约州税务\n8 机构的审计查账？\n9 答：没有。\n10 问：你是什么时候成为\n11 Connecticut（康涅狄格州）居民的？在哪一天？\n12 答：大致是2020年3月初。\n13 问：明确地说，你是说你在2020年3月\n14 是康涅狄格州的居民？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：那么为什么在我的委托人 Cheng 先生\n17 对你提起的诉讼中，你签署了一份宣誓\n18 声明，表明你是\n19 Sherry Netherlands Hotel（雪梨荷兰酒店）的居民？\n20 官方译员：律师，你能重复一下\n21 吗？\n22 问：如果你在2020年3月是康涅狄格州的\n23 居民，你在 Cheng 先生对你提起的诉讼中签署了一份宣誓声明，\n24 表明你居住在\n25 雪梨荷兰酒店。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 76 1 答：我并不是百分之百住在康涅狄格州， 2 但有时我也住在纽约。 ന 问：你是什么时候开始超过百分之五十的 বা 时间住在康涅狄格州的？ 5 答：自2020年3月起。 ર റ്റ 问：你声称自己有一些资产被 7 中国查封了，对吗？ 8 答：那不是我的。那是来自我家族的。那是 த 我家族的。 10 ্ত 问：你是否有过资产被中国查封？ 11 答：你是说在我名下的吗？ 12 问：是的。 13 答：没有。 14 ್त 问：好的。在2010年，你的 15 个人净资产是多少？ 16 答：没有。 17 问：那不是一个可以用“是”或“否”回答的问题。 18 官方译员：我可以再次重复 19 你的问题吗？ 20 WOLMAN 先生：可以。 21 问：在2010年你的个人净资产是多少？ 22 答：我没有任何财产。 23 问：你名下是否曾拥有过超过 24 100万美元的财产，而且我的意思包括你在一家公司中 25 拥有权益，而该权益因而构成了你的工作资产？\n\n312-2 Filed 04/30\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 77\n1 因此构成了你的资产？\n2 答：在2000年之前，有的。\n3 问：好的。你在1999年的净资产是多少？\n4 答：我从未详细计算过。\n5 问：你估计大概是多少？\n6 答：大约1亿左右。\n7 问：那价值1亿美元的\n8 资产后来怎么了？\n9 答：因为在2000年我拿到了香港护照，\n10 而在中国，他们不允许我拥有任何\n11 财产、资产。\n12 问：你是否已经放弃了对你在1999年拥有的\n13 任何资产的所有主张权利？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：你为什么要放弃你的主张权利？\n16 官方译员：放弃什么？\n17 问：你对那些资产的主张权利？\n18 答：因为我不被允许在中国拥有任何\n19 资产。\n20 问：如果中国改变了政策，你是否\n21 有任何权利或能力拿回那些资产？\n22 BALDIGA 先生：反对。如果你知道的话，\n23 你可以回答。\n24 答：我不知道。\n25 问：在1999年你最大的资产是什么？\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 78\n1 答：那是一家酒店的资产，\n2 一家在中国酒店的股权权益。\n3 问：现在是谁持有那项权益？\n4 答：中国共产党。\n5 问：它是以该党的名义持有的吗？\n6 答：中国只有一个专制政府，\n7 那个党，而我们家族的资产被拿走——\n8 被他们查封了。\n9 问：你的儿子是如何变得富有到足以\n10 资助 Golden Spring（源泉公司）和 Lamp Capital（灯塔资本）的？\n11 答：因为他很早就开始进行\n12 投资，并且把名牌引入中国。\n13 问：他投资的钱是从哪里来的？\n14 答：我不知道。\n15 问：Claiborn 女士曾向你询问有关与 Golden Spring 的协议，\n16 而你无法指出谁是\n17 Golden Spring 的律师。你记得\n18 这件事吗？\n19 答：确实如此。\n20 问：我想尝试唤起——向你提问以\n21 潜在地唤起你的记忆，那是不是一位名叫\n22 Daniel 的律师？\n23 官方译员：他在问\n24 是不是 Daniel？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 79\n1 问：是的，Daniel Pedolsky。\n2 答：是的，可能是，他曾经是 Golden\n3 Spring 的律师，也是我的个人律师。\n4 问：你是否与 Pedolsky 先生签署了利益冲突\n5 豁免书？\n6 官方译员：你能重复一下\n7 吗？\n8 问：你是否与 Daniel Pedolsky 律师签署了利益冲突\n9 豁免书？\n10 答：我不记得了。\n11 问：你提到了与 Golden Spring 的两三份——或者三四份\n12 协议。你能指出\n13 那些协议中的每一份吗？\n14 答：我不确定。\n15 问：你能描述那些协议中每一份的\n16 目的吗？\n17 答：来自 Golden Spring 的那笔贷款是为了与\n18 Logan Cheng 达成和解。\n19 问：那你是否借了一笔贷款来支付律师费以\n20 起诉 Logan Cheng？\n21 答：我不记得了。\n22 问：那么除与 Cheng 先生相关的协议之外，\n23 其他协议是什么？\n24 答：来自华盛顿特区——来自华盛顿特区的律师事务所\n25 收取（听不清）我不记得\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 80 1 名字了。 2 WOLMAN 先生：好的。谢谢你， က 这次我得离开了，但谢谢你。我会尝试 ്ച് 拨电话接入。 MS. CLAIBORN：谢谢。 5 6 我可以请在线的所有人 7 将自己静音吗，因为他们能听到你在 8 打字的声音。好的。还有谁想提 ் 10 问？Harbach 先生。请讲，Harbach 先生。 11 HARBACH 先生：谢谢。为了记录在案， 12 13 我是 O'Melveny & Myers（美迈斯律师事务所）的大卫·哈巴赫（David Harbach），我 14 代表 PAACS。 15 由 HARBACH 先生进行盘问： 问：郭先生，我想根据 Claiborn 女士今天 16 17 向你提出的问题，问一些澄清性 18 问题。 19 今天早些时候她问你是否拥有 20 任何外币，你说没有。她还问你是否拥有任何数字货币，而你 21 22 说没有。 23 我的问题是，你是否曾代表任何实体下令或 24 指示购买外币或 25 数字货币？\n\nCase 1:23-cr-00118-AT D\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 81\n1 官方译员：你能重复一下\n2 那个吗？\n3 HARBACH 先生：当然。\n4 问：我的问题是你是否曾代表任何实体下令或\n5 指示购买任何外币或任何\n6 数字货币？\n7 答：你说的指示是什么意思？\n8 问：你是否曾指示任何人购买\n9 外币或数字货币？\n10 答：没有。\n11 问：Claiborn 女士问了你几个\n12 关于使用信用卡和借记卡权限的\n13 问题。我想确保我们能得到你的\n14 明确回答，因为她问你的不是你是否\n15 拥有任何信用卡，而是你是否有使用\n16 信用卡的权限。我想确保你\n17 理解这其中的区别。\n18 官方译员：他只是问\n19 为什么你要重述 Holley 女士提出的\n20 问题。\n21 HARBACH 先生：先生，我只是想提醒\n22 你她今天早些时候向你提出的一个问题。\n23 私人译员：我不\n24 理解这个问题。\n25 BALDIGA 先生：Baldiga 先生说得对。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 82 1 目前并没有未决问题。 2 问题是你是否理解 റ്റു น 拥有一张信用卡与拥有 বা 一张信用卡的使用权限之间的区别？ 5 答：我认为我没有。 ર્भ 问：你不理解这区别吗？ 7 答：我不太了解。 ထ 好的。那么，让我给你举个例子。 റु 我们来谈谈那辆迈巴赫（Maybach）。 10 我相信你今天向我们陈述了 11 你拥有使用迈巴赫作为 12 交通工具的权限。对吗？ 13 । ਸ 是的。 ਹੈ ਕੇ ্ 但我相信你的立场也是 15 你并不拥有那辆迈巴赫。难道不是这样吗？ 16 答：是的。 17 换句话说，你的立场是那辆 ੁ 18 迈巴赫不是你的，对吗？ 19 答：是的。 20 റ 好的。所以我用那个例子来说明 21 拥有某物与拥有 22 某物的使用权限之间的例子。这对你有帮助吗？你 23 理解这区别了吗？ 24 答：现在我理解你的意思了。 25 ဝ 好的。谢谢。那么回到\n\nട്\n\nર\nਉ\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日\n\n关于信用卡和借记卡的问题。你是否有权限使用任何信用卡或借记卡，无论它们是否属于你？\n\n答：我不理解他所指的区别是什么意思，是指如果我自己使用算使用权限，还是如果有别人使用算使用权限。\n\n问：那好，我们逐一来看。我们先从你自己使用开始。你家族中的任何成员是否曾向你提供过信用卡或信用卡号供你自己使用？\n\n> 答：我从未使用过。\n\n12 问：你提到的另一个例子是 13 或许是你家族的成员代表你使用信用卡。这是否曾 14 发生过？ 15\n\n16 答：你说的代表我使用是什么意思？ 17\n问：我是在问，据你所知， 18 你的家族中是否有任何成员曾使用过信用卡 19 或借记卡为你购买物品？\n\n20 答：我的儿子、我的女儿、我的妻子。他们都 21 有信用卡来为我买东西。\n\n私人译员：证人并没有 22 23 这么说，使用信用卡为我买 24 东西。证人说的是我的儿子、我的妻子为我买了 25 东西。\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 8 4 1 官方译员：是的，他们用了 2 他们的卡，他们两个——他们都有。他们 က 都有那些卡。这就是他说的。 ರ್ （重复翻译） ഗ 官方译员：是的，我翻译得 ে 没错。 7 证人：所以我的妻子、我的儿子 ထ 和我的女儿都有他们自己的卡，而且其他 9 家族成员也用他们的卡为我买东西。 10 问：那是否曾经是在你的指示下进行的？ 11 答：没有。 12 问：从不？ 13 答：没有。 14 റ്റു 问：是在你的要求下进行的吗？ 15 答：没有。 16 问：Yan Ping Wang 和 Yvette Wang 是同一个人吗？ 17 答：是的。 18 问：早些时候 Claiborn 女士问过你关于 19 Golden Spring Hong Kong（香港源泉公司）的事情。 20 你告诉她是你儿子拥有它。你 21 记得吗？ 22 答：是的。 23 问：我要问你的问题是，自何时起你的 റ്റു 24 儿子拥有了香港源泉公司？ 25 答：我不知道。\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 85\n1 问：除你儿子之外，是否曾有其他人\n2 拥有过香港源泉公司的权益？\n3 答：我不记得了。\n4 问：你还说过你不记得\n5 你是否曾担任过香港源泉公司的\n6 公司高级管理人员？\n7 官方译员：你能重复一下\n8 那个吗？\n9 问：你还说过你不记得\n10 你是否曾担任过香港源泉公司的公司高级管理人员？这是否意味着\n11 你有可能曾经是，只是你不能确定？\n12\n13 答：我不记得了。\n14 问：Claiborn 女士以几种不同的\n15 方式问过你，关于你是否知道 Golden Spring New\n16 York（纽约源泉公司）是如何获得资金或赚钱的。\n17 自何时起源泉公司一直在支付\n18 你的个人生活费用？\n19 答：2015年。\n20 问：所以大约是六七年了？\n21 答：自2015年起，当时有一个来自中国大陆\n22 名叫 Bruno Wu（吴征）的人打电话给我的\n23 家族，我的儿子、女儿和妻子，所以从那时起\n24 我开始花费来自纽约源泉公司的钱\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 86\n\n私人口译员：我认为证人没说「一些」。\n\n官方口译员：什么？\n\n私人口译员：我认为证人没说「一些」。\n\n证人：不包括他们抓走的儿子，我的妻子和女儿，以及我的许多家庭成员，但不包括我的儿子。\n\n问：所以大致有六到七年时间，Golden Spring（金泉公司）一直在为你支付个人开销。是这样吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：在那六到七年期间，你难道从未与你的任何家庭成员讨论过这些钱是从哪里来的吗？\n\n答：因为我的许多家庭成员被——被你的委托人Bruno Wu（吴征）抓了、逮捕了，所以我没有沟通。我无法与他沟通。\n\n私人口译员：不完全是。PAACS的合伙人——代理该律师代表的PAACS合伙人——PAACS的合伙人——\n\n官方口译员：我不知道。他根本没提到任何关于PAACS的事。\n\n证人：所以是另一位代表委托人Bruno Wu（吴征）的律师，逮捕了你的许多家庭成员。你委托人过去的合伙人，其中一位合伙人，（听不清）Bruno Wu并逮捕了你的许多家庭成员，所以你无法与他们沟通。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n\n问：自2015年以来的任何时间，你是否曾与你的女儿、你的妻子或你的儿子进行过沟通？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：在你与这三个人中的任何一人沟通的任何时间里，你是否曾问过他们Golden Spring（金泉）的钱是从哪里来的？\n\n答：是的，我问过。\n\n问：那你问了谁？\n\n答：我三个人都问了。\n\n问：他们怎么说？\n\n答：他们告诉我，因为我正处于被追捕的处境，所以不要打听我们自己的财务信息。不要向我问任何事，我们会尽我们所能帮助你——尽力帮你。\n\n问：那是什么时候？\n\n答：2017年之后。\n\n问：2017年之后多久？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 88\n\n问：当你与家人进行这番谈话时，他们三个人是在一起，还是这些是分开进行的谈话？\n\n答：分开的。\n\n问：他们三个人说的基本上都是同样的话吗？\n\n答：类似的。\n\n问：所以我想确认我理解得没错。你问了他们每个人Golden Springs（金泉）的钱是从哪里来的，而他们每个人都对你说别问我这个，因为——请替我把这句话说完。\n\n答：你这是在编故事，我听不懂。\n\n问：我是在试图请你帮我理解。我是在试图理解为什么你的家人告诉你不要问，为什么你的家人告诉你不要问关于Golden Spring从哪里弄到钱的原因。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：让他问你问题。\n\n问：请告诉我，为什么你的每位家庭成员都告诉你不要向他们询问Golden Spring的钱是从哪里来的？\n\nBALDIGA 先生：反对。如果你知道的话。\n\n官方口译员：你是要求对问题提出反对吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n8 d\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n\nBALDIGA 先生：我提出了反对。\n\n官方口译员：噢，你提出了反对。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：如果他知道的话，我允许他回答。\n\n官方口译员：好的。\n\n证人：我的女儿和妻子被他的合伙人逮捕，于2017年获释并被放行到New York（纽约）。她们遭到了共产党极其残酷的折磨。折磨她们的人就是这位律师的合伙人。她们都有自己的律师。她们告诉我不要向我询问或与我沟通关于她们自己的财务和个人信息。你想做的任何事情最好通过律师来进行。\n\n这是原则，是规矩，是我家人在来纽约之前告诉他们的。我只是想告诉你这是其含义，非常相近的意思，但我无法逐字逐句告诉你。\n\n所以我不希望这位律师编造任何关于我女儿的故事——关于我女儿伪造证据、作伪证。那种故事。上次我们和Ms. Holley（霍利女士）在这里的时候，他就在制造虚假谎言，说我在使用我的Twitter（推特）账户，说纽约的法官是共产党，而我甚至根本没有推特账户。\n\nHARBACH 先生：仅为了澄清记录，今天是我在法庭上就本案诉讼首次开口发言。所以我认为你说的不是我，先生。\n\n证人：我说的是上次来自你律所的律师。在你之前的上一位律师叫Andy Morse (ph)（安迪·莫斯[音]），被法官赶出去了，因为他编造了五年的虚假指控，被法官赶出去了。所以这家律师事务所总是在编造虚假指控。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：只回答他的问题，因为除非你只是在试图回答他的问题，否则我都不知道该不该反对。\n\n证人：我并没有分别跟我的家人、女儿和妻子说一模一样的话。如果我说了一模一样的话、一模一样的字句，那就是在编造虚假故事了。\n\nHARBACH 先生：我明白。\n\n证人：你不能凭空想象然后强加到我的头上。这就是为什么New York South District（纽约南区）和法官被——\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n25 - 1\nDocument 312-2 Filed 04/30/22\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n\n（听不清）被他们蒙骗，并且他们给了我错误的判决。\n\n未具名人士：你能把最后那句重复一遍吗——\n\n证人：因为他们的虚假指控，所以这就是为什么纽约南区的法官，那位法官，给了我错误的判决。\n\n私人口译员：而且口译员刚才也没有完整翻译律师此前就其反对意见对证人所作的指示。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：如果你想重复一下，请便。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：我认为你只需听这些问题，并且只回答这些问题即可。\n\nHARBACH 先生：抱歉。律师将转向另一个话题。\n\nHARBACH 先生提问：\n\n问：郭先生，Claiborn女士今天问了你关于你欠Golden Spring 2100万美元债务的事。她问你那2100万美元中有多少是律师费，你的回答是我认为大部分都是。我想知道你说的「大部分」是什么意思。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 92\n\n你是说1100万美元，还是指接近2100万美元？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：你现在仍然认为其中大部分是律师费吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：你还提到了Logan Cheng（郑洛根）的和解协议，以及与此相关的向Golden Spring借过款。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：那笔借款是多少钱？\n\n答：我不确切记得了。大概是200，两——30万美元。\n\n问：那笔来自Golden Spring的借款的条件是什么？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：当Claiborn女士问你是否去过Golden Spring在纽约的办公室时，你说是的。那些办公室的地址是什么？\n\n答：是的。那些办公室的地址是什么？\n\n答：64th Street（第64街）162号。\n\n问：你还提到你最后一次去那里是昨天，并且你去那里的原因是为了准备今天的会议。你在那里和谁见了面？\n\n答：我的律师。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n\n问：在办公室期间，除了你的律师之外，你是否还为了准备今天的会议与其他任何人见过面？\n\n答：我不知道你指的是什么其他人。\n\n问：嗯，你见过任何为Golden Spring工作的人吗？\n\n答：见过，我见到了Yvonne Wang（王雁）。\n\n问：这是在昨天吗？\n\n答：是的，我昨天见过她。\n\n问：你昨天问了她一些问题吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：那告诉我你和Wang女士的谈话内容？\n\n答：你是什么意思？\n\n问：嗯，我想知道你和她谈了什么。\n\n答：我让她安排吃的食物和咖啡。\n\n问：就这些吗？\n\n答：还有我们也谈了如何推翻共产党。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n\n答：共产党。\n\n问：我想确保我没听错。我想你说的是——\n\nBALDIGA 先生：不好意思。我能再听一遍最后那句话吗？\n\n证人：我们谈了如何推翻共产党。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：谢谢。\n\n问：Wang女士是Golden Spring的高级管理人员，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：而你指示她去拿咖啡，对吗？\n\n答：不，我没有指示她。我只是希望她拿些咖啡来。\n\n问：你是「希望」（hoping）还是「帮助」（helping）？\n\n答：帮助。\n\n问：你是在帮助。因为我对你的提问是你和Wang女士谈了什么。而我以为你说是你让她去拿些咖啡，甚至可能是告诉她去拿些咖啡。\n\n答：不，你的律师事务所——你们律师事务所又在编造和凭空想象了。\n\n问：我会重新问这个问题。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：请提问。不要往他嘴里塞话。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 95\n\n问：你昨天和Wang女士讨论了什么？\n\n答：你想让我详细讲讲吗？关于这个我可以讲上好几个小时。\n\n问：嗯，不用，如果详情涉及如何推翻中国共产党的话就不用了。所以我问得更精确一些。\n\n答：所以你不想让我们推翻中国共产党。我们的工作就是推翻中国共产党。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：只回答问题。\n\n证人：你根本没有提问。你只是在指手画脚。\n\n问：有时我分段说话是为了让口译员进行翻译。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：我认为如果你只提问，然后证人——我会指示他回答你的问题，这样会有帮助。这样会有帮助的。\n\n问：你昨天是否与Yvette [原文如此] 讨论过任何与准备今天会议相关的事情？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：你们讨论了什么？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n答：我让她把那些文件带到这里来。\n\n问：还有其他事情吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：Lamp Capital（源丰资本）是什么时候成立的？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：Lamp Capital为什么成立？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：是谁成立了Lamp Capital？\n\n答：我儿子。\n\n问：你是怎么知道的？\n\n答：因为我从我儿子那里借钱来支付律师费。\n\n问：问题是，你怎么知道是你儿子成立了Lamp Capital？\n\n答：因为我儿子说的。\n\n问：他亲自告诉你的。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：关于是否成立Lamp Capital，他是否向你征求过任何建议？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：关于他是否应该成立Lamp Capital，他是否征求过你的意见？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：他是否告诉过你他为什么要成立Lamp Capital？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 97\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：当您谈到您对 Boise Schiller（博斯·席勒律师事务所）的执业过失索赔时，您提到了一位您一直称之为“他”的人。我想知道那个人是谁？\n\n答：我不明白你的意思。\n\n问：是的，那个问题问得不好。我道歉。您陈述过，有人未经您的许可向法院提交了虚假文件。这个人威胁了您的家人，这个人在饮酒后威胁了您，并且这个人给您和您的家人带来了重大损失，包括在向法官呈交文件前没有提供翻译文件。我的问题是，那个人是谁？\n\n答：席勒。Schiller 律师（席勒律师）。\n\n问：那么是 Boise Schiller 律师事务所的 Schiller 先生。我理解得对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：谢谢。您是否了解 Lamp Capital（灯塔资本）从事什么业务（如果有的话）？\n\n答：不了解。\n\n问：换个话题。您今天在回答问题时多次提到，我背后的人做了一些事情。您说的是谁？\n\n答：我背后的人之一，有一个老板叫 Bruno Wu（吴征）。他资助了那起案件——来自（听不清）的强奸案。另外这里还有一个债权人，那也是由 Bruno Wu 支付的。那笔律师费是由 Bruno Wu 支付的。而且 Bruno Wu 也是他的合伙人，他投资了 8 亿美元。Bruno Wu 的合伙人也是（听不清）前官员，他们当时在调查，他们与他们联合成为合伙人来调查我的案子。所以 2017 年 4 月 18 日，这个（听不清）开始起诉我，提起诉讼。在这 24 小时内，Bruno Wu 向我发出了红色通缉令，他们开始提起诉讼。\n\nHARBACH 先生：我能打断一下——\n\n证人：中国共产党叫停了采访，叫停了 VOA（美国之音）对我的采访。它们是同时发生的。\n\nHARBACH 先生：或者我可以让他继续说。\n\n证人：这家律师事务所制作的所有文件全都是假的。他们向 Southern District of New York（纽约南区）法院提供了虚假文件。他们甚至对我女儿的游艇进行了虚假权利主张。那艘船是我的。他们去求纽约南区法院的法官，而我申请了破产——两次个人破产案件，而且在那天——他们（听不清）了两次，包括 Holley 女士（霍利女士）。当时 Holley 女士在场。\n\n第一次当 Holley 女士出庭时，他们作了虚假证言，说——他们说我女儿在 Sherry 破产案中作了伪证，因为我女儿从未参与过那个案子。\n\n而且 Holley 女士当时在那里，第二个开庭日也在场，Holley 女士当时也在场。该律所的律师当时告诉法官，他们说我使用 Twitter（推特）账号来——他们在推特上说，而我当时在推特上说纽约南区的法官是共产党党员。\n\n您可以在这里看到所有在我背后的人，其中一个是 Bruno Wu，有一个人在多起案件中付了钱——\n\nHARBACH 先生：我想问另一个问题。\n\nHARBACH 先生问：\n\n问：您是否知道您的破产代理律师 Brown Rudnick 律师事务所此前是否曾代表过 Bruno Wu？\n\n官方译员：我能稍微休息一下吗？我实在无法集中精力了。实在太多了。我能休息一下吗？\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：我可以请你先翻译完那个问题，然后我们再休息吗？\n\n官方译员：好的。您能重复一下那个问题吗？\n\nHARBACH 先生：我很乐意。\n\n问：您是否知道您的破产代理律师 Brown Rudnick 律师事务所此前是否曾代表过 Bruno Wu？\n\n官方译员：您是说代表过其他人吗？\n\nHARBACH 先生：是的。Bruno Wu。\n\n答：不知道。\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：我们先短暂休会。我们将在 2:45 回到这里。\n\n（休会）\n\nCLAIBORN 女士：好的。短暂休会后，我们现在恢复记录。\n\nHarbach 先生，请您发言。\n\nHARBACH 先生：谢谢。\n\nHARBACH 先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，在您面前的文件中，有本案提交的 Document 78（第 78 号文件）。\n\n官方译员：哪份文件？是这份吗？\n\nHARBACH 先生：是的。抱歉。律师告诉我你们那份没有盖章。\n\n问：我说的是您的 Form 106（106 号表格）。所以我的问题从第 9 页开始，该页包含一个标题，写着 Schedule D（附表 D），即对财产主张（听不清）的债权人。您跟上了吗？您勾选了“是”复选框。并被引导至 Schedule D，所以我想请您翻到那一页。在第 18 页。\n\nBALDIGA 先生：标题是什么？他可能凭标题更好找一些。\n\nHARBACH 先生：好的。就是 Schedule D 那个小表格，这是一份有担保债权的债权人名单。\n\nHARBACH 先生问：\n\n问：郭先生，您会看到 Golden Spring New York Limited（金泉纽约有限公司）有五个独立的条目。所有这五行中的每一列数据都是完全相同的。所以我的问题是，为什么这份附表上会有五个完全相同的条目？为什么这份附表上有完全相同的条目？\n\n答：我不知道五个……是什么意思。\n\n问：嗯，每一行都完全一样。我只是问为什么会有五行相同的信息？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：在您提交的文件中，有一些具体的附注，其中一条附注讨论了位于 Taconic Road（塔科尼克路）的住所。\n\nHARBACH 先生：向各位律师说明一下，我在看 Document 77（第 77 号文件）第 4 页。\n\n官方译员：哪一页？\n\nHARBACH 先生：第 4 页。\n\n官方译员：84 页？\n\nHARBACH 先生：不，第 4 页。\n\n官方译员：噢，第 4 页。好的。\n\nHARBACH 先生问：\n\n问：我的问题其实与其说是关于确切的字句，不如说是关于实质内容。那么第一个问题，与 Taconic Road 房屋相关的所有费用均由家族及家族控制的企业直接支付，这是真的吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的。哪些家族成员？\n\n答：我妻子，有时是我儿子。\n\n问：哪些家族控制的企业？\n\n答：哪个国家……我妻子。\n\n问：您的妻子不是企业。我想问的是，哪些家族控制的企业支付了 Taconic 房屋的费用？\n\n答：Greenwich LLC（格林威治有限责任公司）。\n\n问：好的。顺便问一下，您是怎么知道是由您妻子、有时是您儿子支付这些费用的？\n\n答：因为我住在那里。\n\n问：您有亲眼看到他们支付这些费用吗？\n\n答：有。\n\n问：那是否曾经是应您的要求支付的？\n\n答：我不记得我要求过任何事。\n\n问：Greenwich Land LLC——是的，Greenwich Land LLC 除了 373 Taconic Road 之外，还拥有其他不动产吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您对位于康涅狄格州 Cos Cob 的 33 Ferncliff（弗恩克利夫 33 号）物业有所了解吗？\n\n官方译员：您能重复一遍吗？\n\nHARBACH 先生：可以。\n\n问：康涅狄格州 Cos Cob 的 33 Ferncliff。\n\n官方译员：\n\nHARBACH 先生：不，33 号。\n\n答：是的，我现在想起来了。它也是由我妻子的公司拥有的。\n\n问：也就是 Greenwich Land？\n\n答：也许吧。\n\n问：您知道吗？\n\n答：我不确定。\n\n问：您去过 33 Ferncliff 吗？\n\n答：去过。\n\n问：最近一次是什么时候？\n\n答：不是最近。不。\n\n问：您知道 Greenwich Land 是何时购买 Ferncliff 的吗？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您知道大概花了多少钱吗？\n\n答：可能超过 100 万美元。\n\n问：137 万美元听起来差不多吗？\n\n答：我不确定。\n\n问：大约在 2019 年 9 月的购买日期对您来说听起来准确吗？\n\n答：不确定。\n\n问：稍后回到 373 Taconic。那处房产买下来花了多少钱？\n\n答：大概 40 万到 50 万美元。\n\n私人译员：不，不，不。\n\n官方译员：400 万到 500 万美元。对不起。\n\n问：如果您知道的话，373 Taconic 的大致购买时间是什么时候？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您曾在 33 Ferncliff 居住过吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您是否知道目前是否有人住在那里？\n\n答：以前有另一个同胞，可能，你知道，脱离中国共产党的，他曾经住在那里。\n\n问：多久以前？\n\n答：大概一到两年前。\n\n问：您记得那个人的名字吗？\n\n答：记得。\n\n问：叫什么？\n\n答：Wong Din Gong（王定刚，音译）。\n\n问：如果您知道的话，目前有人住在那里吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：说到 373 Taconic，购买该房产的资金是从哪里来的？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您知道该房屋是用现金还是通过融资购买的吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：对 33 Ferncliff 提同样的问题。您知道购买该房屋的资金是从哪里来的吗？\n\n答：我听说它是用现金购买的。\n\n问：从谁那里——抱歉。您是从谁那里听说的？\n\n答：我不记得了。\n\n问：您知道那笔资金是从哪里来的吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您知道 Saraca Media Group（萨拉卡媒体集团）是什么吗？\n\n答：Saraca？\n\n问：Saraca。\n\n答：Saraca Media Group。我知道。\n\n问：Saraca Media Group 是什么？\n\n答：就是 Saraca。是一家公司。\n\n问：什么样的公司？\n\n答：我不确定。\n\n问：您个人曾与 Saraca 有过任何关系吗？\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：您对 Saraca 经营的业务类型有所了解吗？\n\n答：我记得他们与 GTV Media（GTV 传媒）平台有关，或者他们投资了 GTV Media 平台。\n\n问：您是怎么知道的？\n\n答：因为我曾是他们的顾问，拥有顾问身份。而且我曾是 GTV 的主持人。而且这也是脱离共产党的投入和平台之一。\n\n问：您刚才说您曾担任顾问，那是为 Saraca 还是为 GTV？\n\n答：GTV。\n\n问：Saraca 是否曾经与——是否曾经与 162 East 64th Street（东 64 街 162 号）这个地址有关联？\n\n官方译员：哪个地址？您能重复一遍吗？\n\n问：可以。162 East 64th Street。问题是 Saraca 是否曾与该地址有关联？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：那是家族办公室的地址，对吗？\n\n答：是其中之一。\n\n问：其他几个在哪里？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：在纽约市还有其他几个吗？\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵） - 2022年4月6日 108\n1 我只是想澄清一下。Golden Spring（金泉公司）是\n2 位于这栋大楼（162号）里的公司之一。\n3 明白了，谢谢。\n4 在对您的质询过程中，我们提到了家族办公室，\n5 我只是想明确一下。当我们谈到家族办公室时，我们指的是\n6 位于东64街（East 64th Street）的那个地址吗？\n7\n8 答 是的。\n9 问 GTV 是否曾与该\n10 家族办公室地址关联过？\n11 答 我不知道。\n12 问 谁拥有 Saraca（萨拉卡公司）？\n13 答 我儿子。\n14 问 从何时开始？\n15 答 我不知道。\n16 问 Saraca 目前是否存在？\n17 答 我不知道。\n18 问 你知道大约多少——你知道\n19 关于 Saraca 资产价值的任何情况吗？\n20 答 我不知道。\n21 问 你知道 Saraca 向 GTV 支付过\n22 款项的任何情况吗？\n23 答 不，我不知道。\n24 问 你妻子是否曾告诉过你关于 Saraca 向\n25 Greenwich Land（格林威治土地公司）支付数百万美元款项的任何事？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 109\n1 答 我不知道。\n2 问 你不知道是她是否曾告诉过你，\n3 还是你不知道这些付款？\n4 答 她从未告诉过我，我甚至不知道\n5 有多少钱。\n6 问 你知道一家名为 Ziba Limited（齐巴有限公司）的公司吗，\n7 Z-I-B-A？\n8 官方口译员：Ziba，Z-I-B-A？\n9 HARBACH 律师：是的。\n10 答 我不知道。\n11 问 如果我已经问过这个问题，我很抱歉。\n12 Saraca 与 GTV 之间如果有关系的话，\n13 是什么关系？\n14 答 Saraca 是 GTV 的投资者。\n15 问 你知道 Saraca 向 GTV 投资了\n16 多少钱吗？\n17 答 我不知道。\n18 问 GTV 是何时成立的？\n19 答 2020年。也许是2019年。不太确定。\n20 问 你知道 Saraca 的任何高级职员或董事的\n21 姓名吗？\n22 答 我不知道。\n23 问 你知道 Yvette Wang（王雁平）是否是\n24 Saraca 的高级职员或董事吗？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.（菲奥雷速记与转录服务公司）\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 110\n1 答 我不知道。\n2 问 你认识一个叫 Hong Chung Wang（王鸿忠/王洪钟）\n3 的人吗？\n4 答 认识。\n5 问 那是谁？\n6 答 他是我的合伙人，也是解体共产党的\n7 战友。\n8 问 他是你的朋友吗？\n9 答 朋友、战友和合伙人。\n10 问 你所说的合伙人是什么意思？\n11 答 因为我们开过一家商业公司。\n12 问 跟我讲讲那家公司。\n13 答 嗯，我不记得那家公司的\n14 名字了。这是一家调查共产党\n15 在美国洗钱和犯罪的\n16 公司。\n17 问 那是一家营利性公司吗？\n18 答 我不知道。\n19 问 你不知道？\n20 答 我不知道。\n21 问 那家公司的名字是什么？\n22 答 翻译成英文后我不记得了。\n23 我不记得名字了。\n24 问 大约在什么时间段你与 Hong Chung Wang\n25 在这家公司是合伙人？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 111\n1 答 我不记得了。\n2 问 在过去三年内吗？\n3 答 一定是三年多以前。\n4 问 超过十年吗？\n5 答 没有。\n6 问 Hong Chung Wang 是否曾与 Saraca 有任何\n7 关联？\n8 答 我不知道。\n9 问 他是否曾担任 Saraca 的高级职员或董事？\n10 答 我不知道。\n11 问 GTV 中的 G 代表什么？\n12 答 God（上帝）。Goal（目标），比如——G-O-A-L。\n13 问 英文单词“goal”？\n14 答 是的。Goal 或者 God。\n15 问 好的。你认识 Hong Chong Wang 多久了？\n16 答 我不记得了。\n17 问 超过十年吗？\n18 答 大致上。\n19 问 你今天仍然认为他是朋友吗？\n20 答 是的。\n21 HARBACH 律师：请稍等片刻。\n22 问 今天有很多关于\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n第 112 页，共 134 页\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 112\n1 Golden Spring 资助你的生活费用的问题。\n2 就你的生活费用而言，\n3 是否确实不需要偿还其中任何款项？\n4 答 是的，确实如此。\n5 问 因此这些款项不是任何正式协议的\n6 标的，对吗？\n7 答 对。\n8 问 那么这些款项实质上是对你的\n9 赠与，对吗？\n10 答 是的。\n11 问 什么是 Rule of Law Foundation（法治基金会）？\n12 答 那是什么意思？问题是它是什么？\n13 官方口译员：法治基金会？\n14 HARBACH 律师：是的，先生。\n15 官方口译员：我没听懂。你能换种方式问吗？\n16 问 有一个实体叫做——\n17 官方口译员：噢。\n18 问 ——法治基金会。\n19 官方口译员：好的。\n20 HARBACH 律师：我希望通过改问这个问题来节省一些时间。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 113\n\n1 问 你熟悉 Rule of Law Foundation（法治基金会）吗？\n2 答 熟悉。\n3 问 你参与了它的成立吗？\n4 答 参与了。\n5 问 在它成立时你向其捐赠过任何资金吗？\n6 答 我本人没有。\n7 问 你是否指示过任何实体向\n8 法治基金会捐款？\n9 答 建议和指示，建议有任何区别——\n10 问 如果是建议，请告诉我那是建议。\n11 答 我没有指示任何人或命令任何人。\n12 我只是经常建议人们为\n13 该基金会捐款。\n14 独立口译员：作为一名口译员，\n15 我认为如果证人向口译员提问，\n16 口译员应该翻译证人提出的问题，\n17 而不是去回答该问题。\n18 官方口译员：我可以回答任何问题。\n19 独立口译员：证人说了\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n1 你是在谈论（听不清）——\n2 官方口译员：这就是为什么我把问题转达给了律师。\n3 独立口译员：你回答了他“是的”，然后你说了那个。\n4 官方口译员：噢，看在上帝的份上。我没说——我遗漏了什么吗？\n5 （进行翻译。）\n6 官方口译员：好的。没有问题了。他说没有任何问题没被回答。\n7 HARBACH 律师提问：\n8 问 你是否曾向你的任何家庭成员建议\n9 让他们向法治基金会捐款？\n10 答 是的，我确实建议过。\n11 问 你的任何家庭成员或家族控制的\n12 企业是否向法治基金会捐赠过资金？\n13 答 是的。\n14 问 多少钱？\n15 答 现金有一次——超过100万美元。\n16 来自香港、日本和大陆——在中国，\n17 全部加起来应该超过3000万美元。\n18 问 现在请仅关注\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 115\n1 经你建议由你家族作出的捐款。\n2 大约是多少钱？\n3 答 我不知道具体细节。出于安全原因，\n4 他们不想让我知道。\n5 问 你刚才是不是说你的家族\n6 捐赠了超过100万美元？\n7 答 100万美元现金是在纽约这里。\n8 问 那是在什么时候？\n9 答 我不记得了。\n10 问 原因是否——嗯，让我这样问吧。你是否向你的家庭成员\n11 建议过一个他们应当向法治基金会\n12 捐赠的金额？\n13 答 我希望他们捐得越多越好。\n14 问 这就是你告诉他们的吗？\n15 答 是的。\n16 问 你知道法治基金会是否与\n17 64街的家族办公室地址关联吗？\n18 答 关联。\n19 问 你是否曾在2018年11月向法治基金会\n20 捐赠过1亿美元？\n21 官方口译员：你能再重复一遍吗？\n22 问 你是否曾在2018年11月向法治基金会\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n04/30/24 页\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 116\n1 捐赠过1亿美元？\n2 答 没有。在直播中比如我想——\n3 试图筹集资金，在直播节目中。\n4 问 你是否曾——\n5 BALDIGA 律师：等等。这就是他的全部回答吗？\n6 官方口译员：是的。有什么问题吗？\n7 独立口译员：不完全是证人所说的话。\n8 （听不清）广播是可以的。\n9 直播是可以的。但是收钱——\n10 官方口译员：请求捐款，对吧？\n11 （进行翻译）\n12 独立口译员：募集——\n13 证人：筹集资金，募集捐款。\n14 是的，在网络直播之类的节目中，或者不管怎样，你知道的，呼吁捐款以——你知道的，去筹集资金，去集资。\n15 问 你是否曾承诺向 Rule of Law Fund（法治基金）捐赠\n16 10亿美元？\n17 官方口译员：你说的是100亿吗？\n18 HARBACH 律师：不，先生。10亿。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 117\n\n官方口译员：噢，10亿。\n答 我不记得了。我不记得了。\n问 你的意思是你有可能做出过该承诺吗？\n答 这样如果我们将全世界的组织联合起来，我们就能达到那个目标。\n问 明白了。这是一个简单的问题。我只是不知道答案。\n你本人是否曾承诺向法治基金捐赠10亿美元？\n答 在过去的五年里我做过超过5000次直播。有些直播会长达四五个小时。我很难记住我说的每一句话。\n问 嗯，我理解这一点，但我只在问一个问题。那就是你是否曾公开地、私下地或以任何方式承诺向法治基金捐赠10亿美元？\n独立口译员：他没有说投资（invest）。\nHARBACH 律师：捐赠（Donate）\n官方口译员：是的，捐赠。\n答 我不记得了。\n问 我会再问最后一次。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 118\n1 你的意思是，你有可能\n2 做出过这样的承诺。你只是不能确定？\n3 答 在 Holley 女士面前我不会说任何事情都是可能的，\n4 但这是一个非常严肃的问题。现在他们又开始搞阴谋了。\n5 问 嗯，这不是问你三天前早餐吃了什么。\n6 这是问你是否承诺捐赠10亿美元，如果答案是你不知道，\n7 那没关系。\n8 BALDIGA 律师：我认为答案一直就是这样。\n9 HARBACH 律师：不，答案一直是我不记得了。\n10 BALDIGA 律师：不记得了。\n11 HARBACH 律师：是的，先生。这有点不同。\n12 问 所以答案可能是没有，但你并没有说没有。你说的是你不记得了。\n13 答 我说了三遍了，我不记得了。\n14 BALDIGA 律师：没有问题——\n15 答 因为在过去的五年里（听不清）总是为我做出这种回答，\n16 所以这就是为什么 Southern District（南区法院）的法官被你们愚弄了，而你们又重新开始了——\n17 问 我继续下一个问题。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 119\n1 答 在南区法院我只见过法官20秒。\n2 在这五年里我没说过一句话，而我被罚款总计约3亿美元，\n3 因为那就是他们所干的事。\n4 BALDIGA 律师：好了。停下来吧。\n5 我们等提问出来，然后我们会回答问题。\n6 HARBACH 律师：Bill，感谢你的耐心。我继续下一个问题。\n7 BALDIGA 律师：请翻译我刚才说的话。\n8 官方口译员：你能重复一遍吗？大家都在同时说话。\n9 BALDIGA 律师：问一个问题，他会回答一个问题。\n10 问 在过去两年里，你是否向法治基金会捐赠过任何款项？\n11 答 我本人，对吗？\n12 问 是的，先生。\n13 答 没有。\n14 问 在过去两年内，你是否向你的任何家人建议过让他们向法治基金会捐款？\n15 答 我不记得了。\n16 问 你是否曾做出过承诺去\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n文件 312-2\n\n第 120 页，共 134 页\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok（郭文贵）- 2022年4月6日 120\n问 如果你实际上没有那笔钱，你会向 Rule of Law Foundation（法治基金）捐赠 $1 billion 吗？\nBALDIGA 先生：对形式提出异议。\n官方口译员：我没听清。您能再重复一遍吗？\n问 如果你实际上没有那笔钱，你是否曾经会作出向法治基金捐赠 $1 billion 的承诺？\nBALDIGA 先生：而且我提出了异议。\nHARBACH 先生：然后 Bill 提出了异议。\n官方口译员：他说你们是——想判我死刑吗？\n问 大约 Lady May（梅号游艇）价值多少？\n答 我不知道。\n问 在你乘坐 Lady May 的这些年里，你大约邀请过朋友上船加入你多少次？\n官方口译员：您能把那个问题再重复一遍吗？\nHARBACH 先生：好的。\n问 在你乘坐 Lady May 的这些年里，你大约邀请过朋友出来加入你多少次？\nBALDIGA 先生：等一下。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 121\nHARBACH 先生：抱歉，Bill。\nBALDIGA 先生：David，关于 Lady May 的问题你即将有一个专门的宣誓作证程序。你可以选择今天问，或者到时候问。哪一个都可以。\nHARBACH 先生：有道理。我换个话题。\nBALDIGA 先生：好的。没问题。\nHARBACH 先生：如果我可以再次请律师注意文件 77。我想关注第 19 个问题。\n问 郭先生，读完那个问题后请告诉我。是第 19 号。\n（暂停。）\n答 读完了。\n问 好的。为了记录在案，该问题写道：在你申请破产前的十年内，你是否曾将任何财产转让至以你为受益人的自定信托或类似安排？\n答 没有。\n问 这确实是你在表格上勾选的选项。我的问题是，如果你把——如果把“你”这个词改成以“家庭成员”为受益人，答案会是什么？\nBALDIGA 先生：异议。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 122\n答 我无法回答带有“如果”的问题。\n问 我换个方式问。\nHARBACH 先生：Jack，请多包涵。\n问 在你申请破产前的十年内，你是否曾将任何财产转让至以你的家庭成员为受益人的自定信托或类似安排？\n答 没有。\n问 继续看同一份文件，往后看第 27 个问题。读完后请告诉我，先生。\n（暂停。）\n答 好的。我读完了。\n问 你看到你在“是”字旁边的方框里打了勾。然后说明写道：请勾选上方所有适用的选项，并在下方填写每家企业的详细信息。\nHARBACH 先生：Jack，你看到那在哪里了吗？\n官方口译员：我没看到。\nHARBACH 先生：旁边——Holley 可以指给你看。\n（暂停。）\nHARBACH 先生：我刚才只是向证人指出——为了便于翻译，我再说一遍。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 123\n问 在勾选“是”的方框旁边，说明写道：请勾选上方所有适用的选项，并在下方填写每家企业的详细信息。上方没有任何一个方框被勾选，这就是我的问题。\n对于你列出的这三家实体中的每一家，应该勾选哪一个或哪几个方框？\n答 我无法确定是哪一个。\n问 这是你需要更多时间弄清楚的事情，还是你只是不知道答案？\n答 我可以逐一回答。\n问 好的。我们就这么办。我们先从 Genever 开始。\n答 哪个 Genever？\n问 就是列出的那家，Genever Holdings Corporation。\n对于 Genever Holdings Corporation，你会勾选其中哪些方框（如果有的话）？\n答 曾经有一次——它是 LLC（有限责任公司）的成员。\n上面那些不适用，应该转到第 12 号——转到 12。\n它曾经是一家 LLC。\n问 你的意思是你会勾选 LLC 成员的方框，但这应该是过去时态？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 124\n答 是的。曾经是。\n问 其他方框中有适用于你与 Genever Holdings Corporation 的关系的吗？\n答 最后一行对我来说似乎合适。我不是很确定。\n问 最后一行是指“拥有某公司至少百分之五的表决权证券或股权证券的所有人”吗？\n答 我在极短的一段时间内拥有过百分之 50。\n问 好的。Shiny Time 呢？\n答 Shiny Time 已经没了。\n问 我明白。在它存续期间，那些方框中哪一个是准确的？\n答 第一项。\n问 独资业主？\n答 是的。\n问 其他任何一项适用吗？\n答 不确定。\n问 好的。Well Origin Limited 呢？\n答 它没了。\n问 好的。同样的问题。在它存续期间，那些方框中哪一个适用？\n答 第一项。\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 125\n问 其他任何一项适用吗？\n答 不确定。\n问 关于这个问题最后一点。\n对于 Genever Holdings Corporation，企业存续日期的方框是空白的。\n问 你知道那些日期应该是什么吗？\n答 2015。可能是 3 月、4 月到 6 月、7 月。\n问 哪一年？\n答 2015。\n问 所以大约是从 3 月或 4 月到大约 7 月，全都在 2015 年？\n答 是的。\n问 好的。那是该企业存续的全部时间跨度吗？\n答 我在那家公司待了几个月，在这段时间内，待了几个月并持有——持有股份。在我离开后公司仍然存续。\n问 我明白。它今天还存续吗？\n答 我相信它仍然存续。\n问 好的。你是哪一年结婚的？\n答 1918——或者是 1985 年。\n问 你儿子是哪一年出生的？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 126\n答 1986 年。\n问 先生，你多大年纪了？\n答 54 岁。\n问 当你家开始与 Uda Property Company（裕达置业公司）合作时，你儿子多大？\n答 11 岁。噢，五岁——五岁大。\n问 那么你家开始与裕达合作大约是在 1991 年？\n答 是的。\n问 河南裕达大酒店是什么时候建成的？\n答 在 1997 年。\n问 裕达国际贸易中心呢？是什么时候建成的？\n答 差不多在同一时间。\n问 在你在本案的声明书中，你陈述了这两处都是成功的投资项目。\n答 是的。\n问 这使你家得以开始积累巨额财富。\n答 是的。\n问 考虑到这是在 90 年代初，这些投资项目大约为你家带来了多少钱？\n答 我不记得了。\n\n12-2 提交于 04/30/2\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 127\n问 超过 $50 million 吗？\n官方口译员：50 还是 15？\nHARBACH 先生：5-0。\n官方口译员：噢，好的。\n答 我不记得了。\n问 盘古大观呢？是什么时候建成的？\n答 2008 年 7 月。\n问 那么在 90 年代初到 2008 年之间，郭家还投资或参与了哪些其他重大项目？\n官方口译员：从 1990 年代到——\n答 在 1990 年代初到 2008 年之间。\n问 你记得其中的任何项目吗？任何重大投资项目？\n答 北京金泉。\n问 那是什么？\n答 是一家物业公司。房地产。是一家房地产公司。\n问 这是一家开发公司，还是类似买卖中介机构？\n答 开发公司。\n问 盘古大观项目大约是什么时候开始的？\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n128 Ho Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日\n答 大致在 1999 年。\n问 好的。那我们把那作为一个时间节点。\n在盘古大观项目开始时，郭家大约积累了多少财富？\n私人口译员：把那个问题再问一遍？\nHARBACH 先生：好的。\n问 截至 1999 年，也就是盘古大观项目开始时，郭家到那时大约已经赚取或积累了多少财富？\n官方口译员：你指的是 1999 年之后？\nHARBACH 先生：不，我指的是截至 1999 年？\n官方口译员：噢，截至 1999 年。\n郭家截至 1999 年赚了多少钱？\n答 我不记得了。\n问 超过 $100 million 吗？\n答 我不记得了。\n问 超过 $500 million 吗？\n答 我不记得了。\n问 超过十亿美元吗？\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 129\n答 我不记得了。\n问 你个人是否参与了裕达置业公司的运作？\n答 参与了。\n问 你个人是否参与了河南裕达大酒店的开发？\n答 参与了。\n问 你个人是否参与了郑州裕达国际贸易中心的运作？\n答 参与了。\n问 你个人是否参与了盘古大观的开发？\n答 参与了。\n问 谁负责北京金泉房地产开发公司？\n答 一个专业团队。\n问 你是该团队的成员吗？\n答 那时我是顾问。\n问 担任北京金泉的顾问？\n答 是的。\n问 大约在什么时间段，你是他们的顾问？\n答 2000 年之后。\n问 2000 年之后。好的。\nCLAIBORN 女士：Harbach 先生，我只是想提醒一下现在是 4:18，我知道我们度过了漫长的一天——我想给——首先，很抱歉打断你。\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 130\nHARBACH 先生：没关系。\nCLAIBORN 女士：但我想在今天结束前给委员会的代理律师一个提几个问题的机会。\nHARBACH 先生：当然可以。没问题。\nSTAFSTROM 先生：我问得会非常简短。\nSTAFSTROM 先生进行质询：\n问 我注意到你的头发剪得非常短。我很喜欢。你最近理发了吗？\n答 是的。我理发了。\n问 你在哪里理的？\n答 我妻子。\n问 噢，你妻子。好的。\n她总给你理发吗？\n答 疫情后直到现在。\n问 好的。好的。那我没有其他问题了。\nCLAIBORN 女士：在我们商定新日期的期间，我将暂停录音。\n（暂停记录。）\nCLAIBORN 女士：短暂休息后我们恢复记录。\n\n文件 312-2\n\n第 132 页，共 134 页\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 131\n我们已选定延期审讯日期为 4 月 29 日上午 10:00 开始。我们今天就到此结束。谢谢。\n（会议休会。）\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n本人，CHRISTINE FIORE，法院核准的转录员以及认证电子法庭速记员与转录员，兹证明前述内容为上述标题事项程序官方电子录音的准确转录本。\n\nChristine Fiore\n\n2022年4月15日\n\n转录员\nChristine Fiore, CERT\n\nHo Wan Kwok - 2022年4月6日 133\n\n索引\n页码\nClaiborn 女士进行的质询 6\nWolman 先生进行的质询 71\nHarbach 先生进行的质询 80\nStafstrom 先生进行的质询 130\n\nFiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc.\n\n机密\n机密","key_entities":["Kwok","Ho Wan 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