{"id":"court_sdny_425_0","court":"SDNY","case_no":"","doc_number":425,"sub_number":null,"doc_type":"DOC","filed_date":"2024-07-23","title":"SDNY ECF 425","summary_zh":"庭审记录 —— 美国诉 Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵 / Guo Wengui / Miles Guo）案，SDNY 1:23-cr-00118 ECF #425（2024年6月13日）。法官 Analisa Torres 主持的庭审，包含证人 Minran Wu、Kimberly Espinoza、Jamie Wilson 等人关于 Himalaya Exchange 业务关系、财务交易等事项的直接证述和交叉询问。","summary_en":"Trial Transcript — United States v. Ho Wan Kwok (Miles Guo / Guo Wengui / 郭文贵), SDNY 1:23-cr-00118 ECF #425 (June 13, 2024). Trial proceedings before Judge Analisa Torres including direct examination and cross-examination of witnesses Minran Wu, Kimberly Espinoza, Jamie Wilson and others regarding Himalaya Exchange business relationships and financial transactions.","body_en":"O6D1GUO1\n1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK\n2 ------------------------------x\nUNITED STATES OF AMERICA,\n3\nv. 23 Cr. 118 (AT)\n4\nMILES GUO,\n5\nDefendant. Trial\n6 ------------------------------x\nNew York, N.Y.\n7 June 13, 2024\n9:00 a.m.\n8\nBefore:\n9\n10 HON. ANALISA TORRES,\n11 District Judge\n-and a Jury-\n12\nAPPEARANCES\n13\nDAMIAN WILLIAMS\n14 United States Attorney for the\nSouthern District of New York\n15 BY: MICAH F. FERGENSON\nRYAN B. FINKEL\n16 JUSTIN HORTON\nJULIANA N. MURRAY\n17 Assistant United States Attorneys\n18 SABRINA P. SHROFF\nAttorney for Defendant\n19\nPRYOR CASHMAN LLP\n20 Attorneys for Defendant\nBY: SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU\n21 MATTHEW BARKAN\n22 ALSTON & BIRD LLP\nAttorneys for Defendant\n23 BY: E. SCOTT SCHIRICK\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 ALSO PRESENT:\nIsabel Loftus, Paralegal Specialist, USAO\n2 Ruben Montilla, Defense Paralegal\nTuo Huang, Interpreter (Mandarin)\n3 Shi Feng, Interpreter (Mandarin)\nYu Mark Tang, Interpreter (Mandarin)\n4\n5\n6\n7\n8\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 (Trial resumed; jury not present)\n2 THE COURT: Good morning.\n3 MR. FERGENSON: Good morning.\n4 THE COURT: Please make your appearances.\n5 MR. FERGENSON: Good morning, your Honor. Micah\n6 Fergenson, Juliana Murray, Justin Horton for the government;\n7 also joined by our paralegal Isabel Loftus.\n8 MR. SCHIRICK: Good morning, your Honor. Scott\n9 Schirick, Sabrina Shroff, and Matt Barkan on behalf of Mr. Guo,\n10 who also joins us here at counsel's table.\n11 THE COURT: Please be seated.\n12 By letter dated June 12, 2024, the government states\n13 that it will call Samuel Roberts, the head of financial\n14 intelligence at Bitgo, which \"provided certain services to the\n15 Himalaya Exchange.\" The government expects that Mr. Roberts\n16 will testify about \"his participation in Bitgo's reviews of its\n17 business relationship with the Himalaya Exchange.\"\n18 Specifically, Bitgo conducted two reviews—–a preliminary due\n19 diligence inquiry upon beginning its business relationship with\n20 the Exchange in 2021, and another \"more searching\" review after\n21 receiving a subpoena related to the Exchange. As part of this\n22 second review, Mr. Roberts communicated with Exchange\n23 representatives, \"evaluated information provided by the\n24 Himalaya Exchange and from public sources,\" and recommended\n25 that Bitgo terminate the relationship with the Exchange.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 By letter dated June 12, 2024, the defense states that\n2 \"certain of Mr. Roberts's anticipated testimony about factual\n3 information he gathered may be admissible.\" However, the\n4 defense seeks to preclude the government from eliciting\n5 Mr. Roberts's opinions as to whether Himalaya Coin and Himalaya\n6 Dollar are cryptocurrencies, whether the Himalaya Exchange is a\n7 cryptocurrency exchange, and the design/functions of Himalaya\n8 Coin, Himalaya Dollar, and the Himalaya Exchange.\n9 Early this morning, the government filed a response\n10 stating that it does not intend \"to ask Roberts his opinion\n11 whether Himalaya Coin and Himalaya Dollar are cryptocurrencies\n12 or whether the Himalaya Exchange is a cryptocurrency exchange.\"\n13 Rather, the government represents that \"Roberts would be\n14 testifying about what he observed, what he was told by the\n15 Exchange, and how that information impacted the review he\n16 conducted and informed his recommendation that Bitgo terminate\n17 its relationship with the Exchange.\"\n18 To the extent that there is still a dispute between\n19 the parties, the Court agrees with defendant that whether H\n20 Coin and H Dollar are cryptocurrencies and whether the Himalaya\n21 Exchange is a cryptocurrency exchange are questions that\n22 require \"scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge\"\n23 within the meaning of Rule 702. Indeed, both parties have\n24 noticed experts to opine about these two questions.\n25 Mr. Roberts, by contrast, has not been noticed as an expert\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 witness. Accordingly, the government shall not elicit his\n2 opinions as to these two topics.\n3 The Court shall not broadly preclude Mr. Roberts's\n4 testimony about the design and function of Himalaya Coin,\n5 Himalaya Dollar, and the Himalaya Exchange. He may state that\n6 he recommended that Bitgo terminate its relationship based on\n7 his findings, but he may not offer general information about\n8 the characteristics of cryptocurrency, nor may he offer an\n9 opinion as to whether H Coin, H Dollar were cryptocurrencies\n10 and whether the Exchange was a cryptocurrency exchange.\n11 Is there anything further?\n12 MR. FERGENSON: One matter from the government, your\n13 Honor.\n14 We just wanted——we wanted to alert the Court so it's\n15 aware. We're discussing this with the defense actively. But\n16 we wanted to let the Court know——\n17 To back up, for context, the government's——one of the\n18 government's witnesses noticed for this week is Beau Collins.\n19 He was the CEO of Mercantile Bank. And as a refresher for your\n20 Honor, Mercantile Bank was the——I think you could call it the\n21 digital bank. It was a Puerto Rico financial institution that\n22 Hamilton, the William Je entity, was going to acquire. Shortly\n23 before that acquisition, the government executed its seizure\n24 warrants on Hamilton's bank accounts. That was the seizure of\n25 the ultimately around $600 million or so. Mr. Collins was the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 CEO of Mercantile. The government was going to call him to\n2 testify sort of about the Himalaya Exchange was a client of\n3 Mercantile Bank and had bank accounts there. The government's\n4 going to call him to testify about that relationship and the\n5 proposed acquisition and then the ultimate seizure of the\n6 funds, which stopped the acquisition.\n7 After the acquisition, there was an arbitration\n8 between Mercantile and Hamilton, like a private arbitration\n9 based on, to my understanding, like a contract dispute in the\n10 purchase of sale agreement. That was litigated in the\n11 arbitration. I think Mercantile won the arbitration,\n12 ultimately filed for a con——I don't know the correct term——a\n13 confirmation of the arbitration award in the S.D.N.Y. I'm not\n14 sure the status of that case, but the arbitration was done.\n15 We received in mid-April——we requested and then\n16 received in mid-April a production from Mercantile——mid-April\n17 of this year. That was in response to our request for any\n18 testimony that Mr. Collins gave in the arbitration. We\n19 understood he had testified. We received from Mercantile\n20 the——I think you would call it the arbitration file, your\n21 Honor. On quick review, it appears to be the filings by the\n22 parties in the arbitration, perhaps some correspondence or\n23 discovery back and forth between the parties in the\n24 arbitration, the arbitration award, and the hearing transcript\n25 of the arbitration. I think it was a two-day hearing. That\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 production was mistakenly not produced to the defense, the\n2 mid-April of this year production. We learned that last night.\n3 We produced it to the defense immediately. While it was being\n4 uploaded, the government clicked through this production as\n5 fast as we could to get a sense of what is in there. That's,\n6 you know, what my understanding——from that, that's my\n7 understanding what it is. We flagged what we thought was the\n8 most pertinent part of that for Mr. Collins, which is his——I\n9 believe in the arbitration they did direct testimony via\n10 affidavit and then got crossed at the hearing. So we flagged\n11 his affidavit, the other Mercantile employee affidavits we saw,\n12 and we flagged the hearing transcript, like the Bates numbers\n13 for those, your Honor. Unfortunately, it is a large number of\n14 pages. It's around 16,000 pages. My understanding is that is\n15 about 754 documents. I think, from my clicking through very\n16 quickly, my sense is the reason the page numbers is so much\n17 larger than the document count is, your Honor could think of\n18 like a motion for summary judgment where a party is filing a\n19 brief to the arbitrators and attaching as exhibits, you know,\n20 long contracts about the arbitration and due diligence\n21 documents on Mercantile, that sort of thing. But there's very\n22 long exhibits to these filings. That's my sense, on very quick\n23 review of this. We have not determined yet——although we want\n24 to further review this to be further helpful to the defense on\n25 the contents of this production, but we had received from\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 Mercantile prior to this very voluminous production already in\n2 response to a grand jury subpoena that had requested any and\n3 all documents related to Hamilton and specified, including any\n4 proposed merger transaction. That was our grand jury subpoena\n5 request. In response to that, they had given us previously and\n6 we had previously produced around 16,000 documents, which was\n7 around 79,000 pages. Now we have not confirmed that the\n8 exhibits to these arbitration filings are duplicative of the\n9 prior grand jury subpoena productions. Topically, they——they\n10 should be, but that's one thing that we want to look at to see\n11 if we can flag anything for the defense that may be new, or\n12 anything else that, in our judgment, may be particularly\n13 pertinent to Mr. Collins's testimony or that we want to flag\n14 for them so they can take a closer look at that. As I said,\n15 we're also just generally discussing this with the defense.\n16 We're open to moving Mr. Collins's testimony to allow them more\n17 time to review this, and we don't have an agreement as to\n18 what——how to proceed with Mr. Collins. He is not testifying\n19 today no matter what. We're open to ideas on how best to\n20 accommodate it. We want to be efficient with the jury's time\n21 and the Court's time. We're open to any number of options,\n22 including possibly, you know, if the defense were open to this,\n23 maybe Mr. Collins could do his direct on Friday but not get\n24 crossed until Monday, give them additional time to review this\n25 production and his direct testimony transcript, or even if they\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n1 want us to just not call him until next week, we're open to\n2 this. We're discussing it. I just wanted to alert the Court\n3 to the issue and, you know, just as an FYI for this issue.\n4 THE COURT: Is there a table of contents for the grand\n5 jury documents and for the arbitration documents?\n6 MR. FERGENSON: There's not a table of contents, I\n7 don't believe so, your Honor.\n8 THE COURT: Does the defense have anything to say?\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, I can only comment to this\n10 briefly. Mr. Kamaraju is actually right now in the process of\n11 trying to assess these materials because as Mr. Fergenson\n12 noted, we just got them late last night. So we're not at this\n13 point able to sort of give a substantive assessment of what we\n14 have. Obviously we need to spend a little bit of time with it\n15 to be able to do that. But I would just note for the Court,\n16 you know, that Mr. Collins was on the government's witness list\n17 that they sent us on Saturday morning, so he was noticed, you\n18 know, over the weekend, and, you know, we're just receiving\n19 this information last evening. And, you know, as I said,\n20 Mr. Kamaraju I think a little bit later today will, after he's\n21 had a chance to look at it, come and address the issue in more\n22 detail.\n23 I would just flag, in addition to the logistical\n24 issues that the government has already raised about\n25 Mr. Collins's testimony, you know, the sort of parallel issue\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 that I think we may find ourselves, depending on how we handle\n2 Mr. Collins's testimony, with additional time at the end of the\n3 day tomorrow. It remains to be seen, obviously. We would all\n4 love if that were the case, if things moved that quickly. But\n5 to the extent that we do, we don't have any notice from the\n6 government as to who else they may call at this point to take\n7 that time. So again, this is happening in realtime. We\n8 haven't had that much of a chance to discuss it with the\n9 government, but I just flag that for the Court.\n10 MR. FERGENSON: And we appreciate that, your Honor,\n11 and that's something else we're happy to discuss with the\n12 defense and do everything we can to try and accommodate them.\n13 You know, we can't promise there won't be mistakes, but if we\n14 learn of them, we'll try and do the right thing when we do, and\n15 that's what we're hoping to do here.\n16 THE COURT: Don't you have a bevy of folks who can be\n17 comparing the two documents while you're on trial?\n18 MR. FERGENSON: I'm not sure we have a bevy, but that\n19 is our plan, your Honor. We're going to try and do that\n20 comparison and flag anything further for the defense.\n21 THE COURT: Is there anything further?\n22 MR. FERGENSON: Not from the government.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Not from the defense, your Honor.\n24 THE COURT: All righty. We'll reconvene at 9:30.\n25 Please have the witness on the stand at 9:29.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 MR. FERGENSON: Yes, your Honor.\n2 (Recess)\n3 THE COURT: Please have the jurors brought in.\n4 (Jury present)\n5 THE COURT: Please be seated.\n6 Good morning, jurors.\n7 THE JURORS: Good morning.\n8 THE COURT: We're going to continue with the direct\n9 examination of the witness.\n10 Please remember that you're still under oath.\n11 You may inquire.\n12 MR. FERGENSON: Thank you, your Honor.\n13 MINRAN WU, resumed.\n14 DIRECT EXAMINATION CONTINUED\n15 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n16 Q. Good morning, Ms. Wu.\n17 A. Good morning.\n18 Q. And Ms. Wu, when we broke yesterday, we were discussing the\n19 farm loan program. Do you remember that?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Did you participate in the farm loan program?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And did you send money to your farm?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. How much did you send?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 A. $20,000.\n2 Q. And approximately when did you send the $20,000?\n3 A. August 2020.\n4 Q. And where did you send the 20,000?\n5 A. Mountains of Spice, LLC, something like that.\n6 Q. And what was the name on the account that you used to send\n7 the money to Mountains of Spices?\n8 A. Wonder Invest, LLC.\n9 Q. And in connection with that transfer, did you sign a loan\n10 agreement?\n11 A. Yes, should be.\n12 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, could we show the witness\n13 what's marked as Government Exhibit VN39.\n14 Q. Ms. Wu, is this the loan agreement?\n15 A. Yes. Yes.\n16 MR. FERGENSON: The government offers Government\n17 Exhibit VN39.\n18 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.\n19 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n20 (Government's Exhibit VN39 received in evidence)\n21 MR. FERGENSON: Could we please publish that.\n22 All right. And Ms. Loftus, if we could zoom on the\n23 top half just to make the text larger for everyone. That's\n24 great.\n25 BY MR. FERGENSON:\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 Q. All right. Ms. Wu, do you see at the top here it says Loan\n2 Agreement?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And who is the borrower on this loan agreement?\n5 A. MOS Farm, Mountains of Spice Farm.\n6 Q. And who's the lender?\n7 A. Me.\n8 Q. What's the date for this loan agreement?\n9 A. August 12, 2020.\n10 Q. And under loan amount, do you see it says $20,000?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. So focusing you on the paragraph 1(a) there, Use of\n13 Proceeds, I'll go ahead and read that paragraph.\n14 A. Okay.\n15 Q. So it says, \"Use of Proceeds: The loan proceeds advanced\n16 under this Agreement is for the general working capital\n17 purposes of the Borrower.\" And the Borrower is the farm,\n18 right, Ms. Wu?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. Now, Ms. Wu, did you read that before or after you sent the\n21 money?\n22 A. I cannot remember because at that time a lot of things just\n23 pushed together. We were so hurry and hectic because they gave\n24 us 24 hours to 48 hours, anyway, just a very short time to wait\n25 our bank account information, because they use several bank\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 accounts, but they send each person different bank account. I\n2 don't know what they were, just that we needed to wait for our\n3 own bank account. After that, we need to wire the money\n4 immediately, because they said those bank accounts would be\n5 stopped at any time because of the CCP. And then we need to\n6 write an email to the email address they gave us, provided a\n7 lot of stuff they required, and then just after, just to\n8 send——we sent the email to the farm, we need to join a Telegram\n9 group. In that group, we needed to wait the confirmation from\n10 them about our money. So, very busy. May——maybe just a——a\n11 little——a little thing about the contract before sign, before\n12 send the money, but to——I don't think I had a lot of time to\n13 read it little by little, turn by turn.\n14 Q. And Ms. Wu, you explained yesterday that you understood\n15 this loan agreement was to get GTV stock. Do you recall that?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. And the Use of Proceeds does not mention GTV stock, right?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. What, if anything, were you told about why that was?\n20 A. They said they couldn't write clearly about that in this\n21 contract just because of the CCP; because CCP always eyeing\n22 this group, they couldn't do that.\n23 Q. And who told you that?\n24 A. Miles Guo said this. Xia Qidong also said this.\n25 Q. And remind us again what Xia Qidong's other name is.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 A. Changdao or Changdao Weida.\n2 Q. What does that mean again?\n3 A. Changdao means an island, Weida is great brother.\n4 Q. And Ms. Wu, focusing on paragraph (c) of this contract, do\n5 you see the——it says \"interest rate.\" What was the interest\n6 rate?\n7 A. They said we borrowed our money to the farm, right, the\n8 farm should give us this interest, 3 percent each year.\n9 MR. FERGENSON: And Ms. Loftus, if we could now scroll\n10 down to page 7.\n11 Q. And Ms. Wu, did you sign this contract?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. And who else signed it?\n14 A. Xia Qidong.\n15 Q. And now what was the date you signed the contract, Ms. Wu?\n16 A. August the 12th, 2020.\n17 Q. And what was the date that Xia Qidong signed the contract?\n18 A. November 2, 2021.\n19 Q. Over a year later?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 MR. FERGENSON: Now, Ms. Loftus, if we could scroll\n22 down to page 9.\n23 Q. Ms. Wu, do you see it says Name of Entity and it says\n24 Wonder Invest, LLC?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 Q. Can you remind us, what is Wonder Invest, LLC?\n2 A. It's my own company.\n3 MR. FERGENSON: And if we could go to the next page,\n4 Ms. Loftus, please.\n5 Q. All right. Now, Ms. Wu, do you see this says Addendum at\n6 the top?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 MR. FERGENSON: And Ms. Loftus, maybe just to make it\n9 easier to read, could we blow up the top half.\n10 Q. Okay. I'll just go ahead and read paragraph 1.\n11 So paragraph 1 says, \"Provision 1(a) of loan agreement\n12 shall be modified as to follows. The loan proceeds advanced\n13 under this agreement may be used by the borrower at its\n14 discretion without limitation, including but not limited for\n15 working capital, political activities, loaning out to other\n16 parties, and/or investment purposes.\"\n17 Ms. Wu, what, if anything, did Changdao say about this\n18 addendum?\n19 A. I don't remember.\n20 MR. FERGENSON: And if we could zoom out, please,\n21 Ms. Loftus, and go to page 12, just another couple pages down.\n22 Keep going, please.\n23 Q. Okay. Just to focus on when the addendum was signed,\n24 Ms. Wu?\n25 A. November 5, 2021.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 Q. And that's when you signed it, correct?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. And what was the date that Xia Qidong signed this?\n4 A. November 2, 2021.\n5 Q. And is that the same date that Xia Qidong signed the——or\n6 Changdao signed the original loan agreement?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 MR. FERGENSON: Okay. Now let's go back up,\n9 Ms. Loftus. Let's go back to page 12 of the document. And\n10 I'll ask you to please zoom, if you would, on paragraph 6,\n11 please.\n12 Q. Okay. So I'll go ahead and read paragraph 6, Ms. Wu.\n13 A. Okay.\n14 Q. It says, \"The borrower shall have the right to unilaterally\n15 terminate the loan agreement if the lender has committed or\n16 commits the following:\n17 \"(a) lender defames, libels, insults, humiliates,\n18 abuses, curses verbally or in writing, in public or secrecy,\n19 Mr. Wengui Guo aka Miles Guo;\n20 \"(b) lender makes any statements or engages any\n21 conducts that are against the missions of the Whistleblower\n22 Movement (WM). For the purpose of this loan agreement, WM is\n23 defined as a combination of campaigns, actions and platforms\n24 (including GTV) designated to disclose the criminal activities\n25 of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and spread the truth about\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 CCP's atrocity for the purpose of achieving the total and\n2 complete destruction of the CCP; or\n3 \"(c) lender makes any statements or engages any\n4 activities that are against the missions of the New Federal\n5 State of China (NFSC). For the purpose of this note, NFSC is a\n6 semi state sovereignty created and initiated by Mr. Miles Guo\n7 and supported by anti-CCP communities on June 4th 2020 at New\n8 York with the mission of establishing a new China without CCP\n9 to promote the universal ideas of rule of law, freedom, and\n10 democracy to Chinese people.\"\n11 Ms. Wu, we discussed the original loan agreement. At\n12 the time you received the loan addendum in November 2021, did\n13 you read the addendum before signing it?\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. Why didn't you read the addendum before you signed it?\n16 A. At that time actually, I already thought about ask to\n17 refund.\n18 Q. And why did considering asking for a refund, why did that\n19 affect whether you read the contract? Or the addendum. Excuse\n20 me.\n21 A. This was in November, right? Actually, I began to doubt\n22 this organization from April or May 2021st, because at that\n23 time SEC published the settlement, the settlement with the GTV,\n24 so I went to the website, read that documentation, then I felt\n25 something not right; also some other things together.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 Q. And we'll talk about those things in a few minutes, Ms. Wu.\n2 A. Okay.\n3 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, if we could just zoom out\n4 and go back to page 12, just——oh, I'm sorry. Page 14. Excuse\n5 me.\n6 Q. So Ms. Wu, just, could you explain why, if at the time you\n7 were considering asking for a refund, why you still signed this\n8 addendum.\n9 A. If I didn't do this, I definitely would no chance to ask a\n10 refund.\n11 Q. And why do you say that?\n12 A. First, I heard a lot of people said if they asked a refund,\n13 then they maybe——just maybe I——I cannot guarantee, because I\n14 heard people said a lot of people already was expelled from\n15 their farms because of their——refund request. Then——\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, objection to the hearsay.\n17 THE COURT: Sustained.\n18 MR. FERGENSON: It's being offered for the effect of\n19 why she signed the addendum, your Honor, not for the truth of\n20 the out-of-court statement.\n21 THE COURT: In that case then, the answer stands.\n22 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n23 Q. I'm sorry, Ms. Wu. You were explaining why you signed the\n24 addendum even though you were thinking about asking for a\n25 refund.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 A. And then I——I just thought I needed a safe way to do this.\n2 I hadn't defined a way at that time. Then I had to sign this\n3 first, and later, I think I will——I will do something.\n4 Q. When you say \"do something,\" what do you mean?\n5 A. Find a perfect opportunity to do this.\n6 Q. And when you say \"do this,\" what are you referring to,\n7 Ms. Wu?\n8 A. Ask for a refund.\n9 Q. And did you——we'll talk about it later, but did you\n10 ultimately ask for a refund from the farm loan?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Okay. We'll turn to that in a moment.\n13 Ms. Wu, what, if any, volunteer work did you do\n14 related to farm loan transfers?\n15 A. In the group, just the farm——the MOS Farm established the\n16 group to do the translation job for documentations needed in a\n17 lawsuit.\n18 Q. And who was the lawsuit between?\n19 A. Between MOS Farm and the Phoenix Farm.\n20 Q. And who was in charge of the Phoenix Farm?\n21 A. At that time should be Sara Wei.\n22 Q. Now could you explain what sorts of documents were shared\n23 in the chat group that was created by MOS for this, at a high\n24 level. What sorts of documents were shared in that group?\n25 A. Just all kinds of loan project from all——from——I don't know\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 if all farms, but definitely from various farms of the world.\n2 Q. And who would send these documents to the chat group?\n3 A. Zhang Yongbing and Xia Qidong were in charge of this group.\n4 Zhang Yongbing and his assistant distributed this documentation\n5 to us to do the translation.\n6 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, could we please publish\n7 what's in evidence as Government Exhibit 121.\n8 If we could publish it.\n9 Q. Ms. Wu, who is this?\n10 A. This is Zhang Yongbing.\n11 Q. And what was his role at the MOS Farm?\n12 A. He was the legal group leader in the MOS Farm at that time.\n13 Q. And what was his position in the farms after that?\n14 A. After that, he was ascended to the Himalaya Alliance and\n15 then to the Iron Blood Group.\n16 Q. Was——\n17 THE COURT: Does he go by any other name?\n18 THE WITNESS: Zhang Yongbing is his real name. His\n19 called name is Tang Gong Qi Xia (ph).\n20 Q. And Ms. Wu, could you spell Zhang Yongbing for the court\n21 reporter.\n22 A. Zhang Yongbing. Z-H-A-N-G, Y-O-N-G-B-I-N-G.\n23 Q. You said, Ms. Wu, he ascended to the Himalaya Alliance and\n24 the Iron Blood Group. What's the Iron Blood Group?\n25 A. It should be the core, the core of this organization, and\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 all members are Miles Guo's helpers.\n2 MR. FERGENSON: All right. Ms. Loftus, if we can now\n3 show just the witness what's marked as Government Exhibit VN7.\n4 Q. And Ms. Wu, you said Zhang Yongbing or his assistant shared\n5 the documents with this chat group, correct?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. Were some of the documents sent to you screenshots of text\n8 messages, Ms. Wu?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Sorry. I didn't——is this document now on your screen?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Is this one of the documents that Zhang Yongbing or his\n13 assistant shared with the chat group?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 MR. FERGENSON: The government offers Government\n16 Exhibit VN7.\n17 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, voir dire?\n18 THE COURT: You may.\n19 VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION.\n20 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n21 Q. Ms. Wu, you didn't create this document, did you?\n22 A. No.\n23 Q. Do you know when the document was created?\n24 A. No.\n25 Q. Do you know who created it? And to be clear, I'm asking\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 who created the document, not who were the——what are the names\n2 of the people that show up in the document.\n3 A. I don't know. Should be the Iron Blood Group people.\n4 Q. But you don't know.\n5 A. Because they do this, not——no others can do this.\n6 Q. I understand. I'm asking you what you know, not to\n7 speculate on what may have happened.\n8 A. Okay. I don't know.\n9 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, she answered the question.\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: We object.\n11 THE COURT: Overruled. It is admitted.\n12 MR. FERGENSON: Could we publish this, please,\n13 Ms. Loftus.\n14 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n15 Q. All right. Now——\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, before Mr. Fergenson begins\n17 questioning, could we just have a brief sidebar?\n18 THE COURT: Yes.\n19 (Continued on next page)\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 (At the sidebar)\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: So your Honor, we have a continuing\n3 objection to this on the basis of hearsay and that it has\n4 Mandarin language in it. That's our objection.\n5 MR. FERGENSON: It's not hearsay. It was sent by an\n6 agent of Miles Guo to the MOS Farm; clearly a statement of an\n7 agent. Second, it's a screenshot of a text that Miles Guo was\n8 in. I don't see how it could be hearsay.\n9 On the Mandarin translation, I'm happy——the vast\n10 majority of this is in English. I'm happy to just ask her\n11 about the English-language portions. We don't have a lot of\n12 questions on this. And if we want, we can get the limited\n13 Mandarin text translated and send it to the defense. We can\n14 put that in evidence——\n15 THE COURT: So this came up before. Any Mandarin\n16 needs to be translated. So you'll hold off on this and my\n17 ruling is pending, shall we say.\n18 MR. FERGENSON: Okay. I'll just skip it.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Just one point, your Honor. I believe\n20 the witness testified, notwithstanding what Mr. Fergenson\n21 described as the province of this document, this witness\n22 testified she has no idea who created it or where it came from.\n23 MR. FERGENSON: That's not true. She said it was\n24 shared in a chat that was sent to her within the chat and she\n25 downloaded it from that.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 MS. SHROFF: She never said she downloaded it and——\n2 MR. FERGENSON: Right. If you want me to ask her——\n3 MS. SHROFF: If I could just finish. She did not say\n4 she downloaded it and she did not say she created the document.\n5 We should just be clear about what the record is so far\n6 because——and we can always go back, but I don't believe there\n7 was any testimony whatsoever that she downloaded it.\n8 MR. FERGENSON: You're correct. I'm sorry.\n9 THE COURT: But she recognizes it.\n10 MS. SHROFF: I think she did say that. But she never\n11 said how that document was created, right? He asked her, who\n12 created the exhibit that's before you, so just——it's inaccurate\n13 to say she downloaded it.\n14 MR. FERGENSON: On the created, you don't have to\n15 create a document to be able to create a document. It was sent\n16 to her. I'm happy to ask her that.\n17 THE COURT: So we'll wait on the translation, but to\n18 the extent you have other ones, if it was sent to her and she\n19 recognizes it, it's going to come in.\n20 MR. SCHIRICK: We're making a hearsay objection, but\n21 we understand, your Honor.\n22 THE COURT: This is the statement of conspirators, or\n23 alleged conspirators. Let's go.\n24 (Continued on next page)\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 (In open court)\n2 THE COURT: You may continue.\n3 MR. FERGENSON: Thank you, your Honor.\n4 Okay. Ms. Loftus, could we show the witness now\n5 what's marked as Government Exhibit VN13.\n6 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n7 Q. And Ms. Wu, is this another document that was shared in\n8 that chat group?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 MR. FERGENSON: Government offers Government Exhibit\n11 VN13.\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, voir dire?\n13 THE COURT: You may.\n14 VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION.\n15 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n16 Q. Ms. Wu, again, you didn't create this document, correct?\n17 A. Several people created together.\n18 Q. So my question was: Did you create the document?\n19 A. I did some.\n20 Q. You created some part of this document?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Okay. Do you know if this was the final version of this\n23 document?\n24 A. Can I move——move it?\n25 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, if you want to scroll down\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 slightly.\n2 You can keep scrolling, Ms. Loftus.\n3 A. There is no grand total.\n4 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n5 Q. Okay. Do you know what the source of this information is,\n6 source of the information displayed in this document?\n7 A. You see the file number? Those file numbers just different\n8 screenshots that Zhang Yongbing distributed to us.\n9 Q. I'm sorry. Could you explain that again.\n10 A. The file number, that column, the file number column, MLP,\n11 all just——\n12 Q. Oh, file number. I see. Okay. Go ahead.\n13 A. Each one stands for one screenshot. We did the\n14 translation.\n15 Q. Okay. And my question was: Do you know what the source is\n16 of the financial information in this document?\n17 A. What do you mean source? Source from the screenshots they\n18 gave us, the screenshots they asked from different farms.\n19 MR. FERGENSON: And was the first exhibit we looked at\n20 an example of those screenshots?\n21 THE WITNESS: Yes, yes.\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, same objection.\n23 THE COURT: You received this document in the chat,\n24 correct?\n25 THE WITNESS: Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n2 (Government's Exhibit VN13 received in evidence)\n3 MR. FERGENSON: Thank you, your Honor.\n4 We could publish it to the jury, just quickly.\n5 We can scroll up to the top.\n6 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n7 Q. So Ms. Wu, do you see in row 1 it says \"Note\" in red text?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. I'll just read the note. It says, \"Note: the following\n10 amounts have either been transferred or were confirmed by farm\n11 owners to have been transferred to Maywind.\"\n12 Ms. Wu, do you recall what——in Receiver column it says\n13 Maywind Trading LLC. Do you recall what that was?\n14 A. Should be one of the bank or bank accounts of the Phoenix\n15 Farm. It's just used to receive loan program funds from that\n16 farm members.\n17 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, if we could scroll down\n18 towards the bottom, please. Keep going.\n19 Q. And Ms. Wu, do you see on this Excel it says the total is\n20 $39,872,527?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 MR. FERGENSON: All right. And Ms. Loftus——I'm sorry.\n23 If we could scroll back up quickly, just because we covered\n24 this when the jury didn't see it.\n25 Q. Under the column File Number, the column B, Ms. Wu——\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. ——do you see how there's numbers with MLP in the entries\n3 beneath that column?\n4 A. MLP.\n5 Q. Well, for example, in row 3 it says MLP 0011-7?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. Could you just explain again, while the jury can see it,\n8 what that is a reference to.\n9 A. M means Maywind.\n10 (Continued on next page)\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n2 Q. These file numbers, are these references to the sorts of\n3 screenshots we looked at first?\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n5 THE COURT: Sustained.\n6 A. Yes.\n7 THE COURT: You can't answer. The answer is stricken.\n8 Q. Could you explain what these are references to, Ms. Wu?\n9 A. \"M\" means Maywind. \"L\" means lawsuit. \"P\" means Phoenix\n10 Farm. And that four numbers up these letters identify\n11 different farm. For example, 0011 just MOS farm, Himalaya New\n12 York MOS.\n13 And seven, before this, Zhang Yongbing ask his\n14 assistant to send table to different farms to let the farm\n15 owner or related person to fill that table. That table\n16 included ten questions; such as, when did your farm started\n17 this loan program; when did your farm send the first amount to\n18 Maywind; how much total about your loan program, etc., etc. I\n19 cannot remember all of the ten questions. So according to each\n20 farm's answers about that table; one, just question one; two\n21 just question two. Here, seven, just for the question seven.\n22 The screenshot about that question seven included some money\n23 amount or bank information and just use those information to\n24 fill this form. Also, some farms also send some related bank\n25 statement wire transfer details.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could show the witness what's marked as\n2 Government Exhibit VN-12.\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, same objection.\n4 MR. FERGENSON: I'll offer it in a moment, your Honor.\n5 Q. Is this the document that was shared in the chat group,\n6 Ms. Wu?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. And by the way, Ms. Wu, the documents that were shared in\n9 the chat group that we looked at, did you provide these\n10 documents to the government?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 MR. FERGENSON: The government offers Government\n13 Exhibit VN-12.\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: Same objection.\n15 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n16 (Government's Exhibit VN-12 received in evidence)\n17 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n18 Q. All right. Ms. Loftus, maybe we can minimize the top bar\n19 so we can see more of this excel, and we could scroll up, if we\n20 could just scroll down slightly.\n21 Now, Ms. Wu, I want to focus you on row 37, where it\n22 says row zero to 35 and it gives a grand total. What's the\n23 grand total there listed in blue?\n24 A. Just added together the above transfer amount.\n25 Q. And does that say $106,489,540?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Now I want to scroll back up slightly, Ms. Loftus. We can\n3 just look at one example. You can go up to row 17.\n4 So, Ms. Wu, this row says the amount is $30.8 million.\n5 Do you see that?\n6 A. Mm hm.\n7 Q. And it says sender, and then there's a question mark, and\n8 then it says receiver and there's a question mark, and the\n9 receiver is Abu Dhabi. Do you see that?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Do you know why there are question marks here?\n12 A. All this information from screenshot from Sara. And in\n13 that screenshot, Sara just list these three to Abu Dhabi LA and\n14 G Service, but didn't mention where from, so question mark\n15 here.\n16 But we didn't have any details; for example, bank\n17 statement, wire transfer statement to show Abu Dhabi LA\n18 G Service, so question mark.\n19 Q. Do you know why money was sent to Abu Dhabi?\n20 A. I don't know.\n21 Q. You can take that down, Ms. Loftus.\n22 Now, Ms. Wu, do you know how if at all your $20,000\n23 was spent after you sent it to the MOS farm?\n24 A. I don't know.\n25 Q. Did you ever receive GTV stock for your loan?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 A. No.\n2 Q. Did you ever receive interest payments for your loan?\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. What, if anything, Ms. Wu, did Miles Guo say in his\n5 broadcast about using investor money for himself?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. What did he say?\n8 A. He said nobody can touch our money, even a penny safe, all\n9 safe.\n10 Q. If you had known Miles Guo used investor money for personal\n11 expenses, would you have invested in the farm loan program?\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n13 THE COURT: You may answer.\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. Would you have invested in anything he promoted?\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n17 THE COURT: You may answer.\n18 A. No.\n19 Q. Ms. Wu, did there come a time as you mention before when\n20 you asked for a refund of the farm loan program money you sent?\n21 A. September 2022.\n22 Q. And we'll talk about the timing, but did you get a refund?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Did the refund include any interest?\n25 A. No.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 Q. Did the refund include any GTV stock?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. When you requested your refund, who did you talk to about\n4 that in September 2022?\n5 A. First I contact G Series volunteer in the MOS farm, and she\n6 said she would contact Xia Qidong about this and then let me\n7 wait. I waited several weeks. Nothing happened, so I contact\n8 that volunteer again. And the volunteer said maybe Xia Qidong\n9 forgot about that, and she would ask him again. And later Xia\n10 Qidong contact me through email, and we talked several times.\n11 He ask some question, also let me sign a refund\n12 agreement about my bank account, and then he said he would give\n13 me a paper check, so later I got a paper check.\n14 Q. We'll come back to the timing of when you requested it.\n15 But let me ask, Ms. Wu, did there come a time when you sent\n16 money to G/Clubs?\n17 A. October 2020.\n18 Q. How much did you send to G/Clubs?\n19 A. 10,000.\n20 Q. Where did you send that money?\n21 A. G/Clubs Operating, LLC.\n22 Q. And what was the name on the account that you used to send\n23 the money to G/Club?\n24 A. Joint account.\n25 Q. And, Ms. Wu, why did you send $10,000 to G/Club?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 A. GTV stock.\n2 Q. Why would you think you would get GTV stock by sending\n3 money to G/Clubs?\n4 A. Miles Guo said.\n5 Q. Where did Miles Guo say that?\n6 A. In his video, maybe several videos.\n7 Q. Did you get GTV shares?\n8 A. No.\n9 Q. What benefits, if any, did you get from your G/Clubs\n10 membership?\n11 A. I didn't get anything.\n12 Q. What's G Fashion, Ms. Wu?\n13 A. Miles Guo created that website to sell fashion such as\n14 clothes, jewelry.\n15 Q. And what connection, if any, was there between G Fashion\n16 and G/Clubs?\n17 A. If you have G/Club membership, you can get some kind of\n18 discount when you make purchase of G Fashion.\n19 Q. Did you ever buy G Fashion?\n20 A. No.\n21 Q. Why not?\n22 A. I don't like it, not my style, and ridiculously expensive.\n23 Q. So, Ms. Wu, why did you pay $10,000 for a G/Clubs\n24 membership?\n25 A. GTV stock.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection, asked and answered.\n2 THE COURT: Overruled.\n3 Q. Ms. Wu, did you ever request a refund of the money you sent\n4 to G/Clubs?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Around when did you do that?\n7 A. December 2022.\n8 Q. You mentioned you requested a refund of the farm loan in\n9 September 2022 earlier?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Why did you wait until December of 2022 to ask for G/Club\n12 refund?\n13 A. Before the G/Club refund request, actually I ask for H Coin\n14 refund.\n15 Q. And so what was the timing? If you could walk us through\n16 the timing of your refund request, and we'll talk about H Coin\n17 in a moment?\n18 A. I felt loan program maybe the easiest one to ask for\n19 refund, so I did it first.\n20 Q. And why did you think the farm loan program would be\n21 easiest?\n22 A. Before I heard Xia Qidong was under government\n23 investigation and more and more investigation put on him, and I\n24 got a chance to translate some emails among Xia Qidong and some\n25 other MOS members. In those emails, they discuss about the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 loan program refund. At that time in those emails Xia Qidong\n2 behave a little reasonable, so I felt a good sign for me to go\n3 ahead.\n4 Q. And why didn't you ask for refunds from all the investment\n5 projects at the same time?\n6 A. I was afraid they just expel me from the farm, I would got\n7 nothing.\n8 Q. And why were you concerned about being expelled from the\n9 farm for asking for refunds?\n10 A. They do this. They did this a lot.\n11 Q. What did Alliance members call people who were expelled\n12 from the farms that way after asking for refunds?\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n14 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n15 A. CCP spy.\n16 Q. Ms. Wu, to bring you back to the G/Clubs refund request,\n17 how did you request your G/Clubs refund?\n18 A. I ask the farm first, but the farm said none of their\n19 business. I should go to G/Clubs to ask them. So I log on\n20 G/Club and ask the online agent. Then G/Club send me email to\n21 let me fill a refund request form. I filled it and submitted\n22 it, and nothing happen till now.\n23 Q. How often, if at all, were you emailing G/Clubs?\n24 A. In about a year, I wrote to them everyday.\n25 Q. Did you ever get an answer?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 A. Machine answers.\n2 Q. Do you recall what the machine answer said?\n3 A. Our staff will review your request, something like that.\n4 Q. Ms. Wu, did you ever get your G/Clubs money, the $10,000\n5 back?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Did you ever get, for this money transfer, did you ever get\n8 any shares in GTV or any other company?\n9 A. No.\n10 Q. Ms. Wu, what was the H Coin quota?\n11 A. It is complicated formula to calculate the number of\n12 H Coins you should get according to your previous investment,\n13 including your Rule of Law Foundation donation.\n14 Q. What was the price of each H Coin in someone's H Coin\n15 quota?\n16 A. 10 cent each coin.\n17 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could show the witness what's marked as\n18 Government Exhibit VN-37.\n19 What's this document, Ms. Wu?\n20 A. H Coin agreement.\n21 MR. FERGENSON: The government offers Government\n22 Exhibit VN-37.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.\n24 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n25 (Government's Exhibit VN-37 received in evidence)\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 Q. Is this your H Coin agreement, Ms. Wu?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Which farm was it with?\n4 A. MOS farm.\n5 Q. And Ms. Loftus if we could zoom on the middle paragraph\n6 there, the larger paragraph.\n7 I'm not going to read the entirety of the paragraph,\n8 Ms. Wu, but how many H Coins were you in your H Coin quota?\n9 A. 44,500.\n10 Q. And what was the price of each of those H Coin?\n11 A. Ten cents each.\n12 Q. If we could zoom out and go to page six, Ms. Loftus,\n13 please.\n14 Did you sign this document, Ms. Wu?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. What was the date you signed it?\n17 A. October 28, 2021.\n18 Q. Who else signed it?\n19 A. Xia Qidong.\n20 Q. Let's zoom out, Ms. Loftus. And if we can go back up\n21 slightly to page two. And if we could zoom on paragraph five\n22 through the bottom. I'll just read a little bit of this,\n23 Ms. Wu.\n24 It says, a material term of this letter of agreement\n25 is that you hereby irrevocably consent fully and indefinitely\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 complying with the following warranties and undertakings. You\n2 warrant and confirm that you are a member of the HF, and\n3 therefore subscribe to the rules and ideology of the HF.\n4 And we can zoom out, go to page three, please. If we\n5 could zoom on the one through four Roman numerals. I'll read\n6 these, Ms. Wu.\n7 You undertake to not taking any action, endorsing any\n8 action or facilitating any action, whether directly or\n9 indirectly anything which is intended to or goes against the\n10 core values and ideals of HF. I'll skip ahead a little bit and\n11 reading II. It says, you undertake to not take any action --\n12 and skip ahead slightly -- which is intended to or could\n13 potentially hurt or damage the mission and ideology of HF.\n14 Number three says, You undertake to not demonstrate --\n15 skip ahead a little bit -- any support or benefit in any form\n16 to the Chinese Communist Party or CCP or any CCP officials.\n17 Number four says, You undertake to not take any action --\n18 skipping ahead -- which is intended to or could potentially\n19 hurt or damage the reputation or operation of the exchange.\n20 Ms. Wu, what's your understanding of what these means?\n21 A. Non-sense.\n22 Q. I'm sorry, Ms. Wu.\n23 A. I feel this is non-sense. I don't understand why write\n24 these terms.\n25 Q. What's your understanding of what happens if you criticize\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 the movement?\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: Asked and answered.\n3 THE COURT: Sustained.\n4 Q. If we could zoom out. If we could go back down to the\n5 signature page, page six.\n6 Now, Ms. Wu, you signed this October 28, 2021. Did\n7 you send money to pay for your H Coin quota?\n8 A. Actually, I paid for the H Coin in April 2021. I don't\n9 remember if I remember correctly, I don't remember at that time\n10 I had this agreement.\n11 Q. And about how many did you pay in April 2021?\n12 A. Less than $5,000.\n13 Q. Did you send -- withdrawn. We can go ahead and take this\n14 down for now, Ms. Loftus.\n15 Where did you send your a little less than $5,000 for\n16 the H Coin quota?\n17 A. They gave me a personal account to send my money into.\n18 Q. When you say they gave you, who gave you the personal\n19 account?\n20 A. Volunteer, G Series volunteer.\n21 Q. And what was the name on the account that you used to send\n22 the H Coin quota money?\n23 A. I don't remember, joint account or my own account.\n24 Q. Ms. Wu, why didn't you send the H Coin quota money directly\n25 to the Himalaya Exchange?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 A. They didn't give us any account related to Himalaya\n2 Exchange.\n3 Q. What was the Alliance Foundation?\n4 A. They said later, very later, just this is the foundation to\n5 hold our H Coins and do the digital currency operation to get\n6 better profit for us.\n7 Q. And did you, as a general matter, Ms. Wu, what's your\n8 understanding of who could invest directly, buy H Coins\n9 directly through the Himalaya exchange?\n10 A. Should be farm members who are not in America and Japan,\n11 maybe Canada. I don't remember, but definitely USA and Japan.\n12 Q. What, if any, commissions did you have to pay by not\n13 sending money directly to Himalaya Exchange?\n14 A. Five percent.\n15 Q. Where would that five percent commission go?\n16 A. I don't know.\n17 Q. Ms. Wu, why did you send this money in April 2021 to buy\n18 the H Coin quota?\n19 A. Miles Guo said that this digital currency would be the\n20 leading digital currency in the world in the future. At that\n21 time already many countries including famous financial\n22 institutions may interested in or may already bought those\n23 H Coins for themselves. So take your seats. This your chance,\n24 and then they used our previous investment to calculate the\n25 quota, so why not.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 Q. When you use the phrase \"Take your seats,\" that's something\n2 Miles Guo said. What was your understanding of what take your\n3 seats meant? What are you referring to?\n4 A. Not everyone has this chance. You are so lucky to have\n5 this chance so you cannot lose it anyway because you will never\n6 have this chance in your life anymore.\n7 Q. What, if anything, did Guo say about H Coins in gold?\n8 A. Excuse me.\n9 Q. What, if anything, did Guo say about H Coins and gold?\n10 A. He said Himalaya Exchange has 20 percent gold as the\n11 reserve.\n12 Q. And was this 20 percent gold reserve important to you?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Could you explain to the jury why that was important to\n15 you?\n16 A. First, if financial institution has this ability to buy 20\n17 percent gold as the reserve, this institution's financial\n18 ability should be very good.\n19 And second I have the impression that many banks in\n20 the world, including federal reserve, they all have gold as\n21 their reserve, so this sounds so formal.\n22 Q. Ms. Wu, did you ever have an account at the Himalaya\n23 Exchange?\n24 A. No.\n25 Q. To your knowledge were there ever H Coins held in your name\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 or your account on the Himalaya Exchange?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. Did you ever request that your H Coin quota money be\n4 returned?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. And around when did you do that?\n7 A. After the loan program refund, about October 2022.\n8 Q. Did you get that money back?\n9 A. Most part after almost half year.\n10 Q. And how much money did you receive back approximately?\n11 A. 4,500, around that.\n12 Q. Did you get back the five percent commission?\n13 A. No.\n14 Q. Did Miles Guo pay back what you lost?\n15 A. No.\n16 Q. Ms. Wu, you said at the beginning of your testimony you're\n17 no longer a follower of Miles Guo. What caused you to have\n18 doubts about the movement?\n19 A. First, the SEC, the settlement of GTV. Before SEC declared\n20 this, Miles Guo and his helpers never mention anything about\n21 this. Then the translation for that lawsuit. I got so many\n22 screenshots show so many things.\n23 For example, Sara Wei open more than 170 bank\n24 accounts. I just felt so weird about this. Is that normal? I\n25 don't know. Because at this time, I still trusted Miles Guo\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 and this organization, but I just felt some kind of a weird\n2 things here. Also before that I already felt not that free\n3 speech inside this group. People shouldn't criticize Miles Guo\n4 and people around him, close to him, you should be careful\n5 about what you said and what you wrote. So then later, I just\n6 heard government begin to investigate some people such as Xia\n7 Qidong. Also they were so reluctant to sign back this\n8 contracts to us, although those contracts have a lot of flaws\n9 inside. I don't know why.\n10 So little by little, I just -- also they send people\n11 to protest in front of homes and workplaces of those people who\n12 criticize Miles Guo with invoking pictures and language.\n13 Sometimes it turn to violence. Some people were sent to\n14 hospital because of this. Also, Miles Guo just use volunteers\n15 to death. I don't know why. Just the moments after moments,\n16 events by events, never stopped. Just left you no time to\n17 think others, no time to get touch with others. I heard Miles\n18 Guo said by himself in his video, one volunteer was send to\n19 hospital because of the overstress of the volunteer work. But\n20 Miles Guo said we shouldn't like CCP, just the manner of\n21 abusing people. This kind of abusing. I don't know why. Just\n22 volunteer, right. Why so hard?\n23 Also for H Coins. They said this would be the most\n24 secured digital currency in the world. One day they said,\n25 millions or tens of millions H Coins disappear, missing. They\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 couldn't locate them, okay. Also for the H Coin lockup.\n2 Before they promised for us who put those H Coins into famous\n3 digital currency institution, we could redeem our H Coins at\n4 any time as long as that institution already have our coins at\n5 least six months. Never happened.\n6 Actually, several months later, I don't remember exact\n7 time Miles Guo said they needed to lock our H Coins at least\n8 three years. Nobody can touch it. And before the arrest of\n9 Miles Guo, one Iron Blood Group member said we needed to lockup\n10 our H Coins maybe at least ten years. A lot of other things,\n11 just little by little.\n12 Q. Ms. Wu, to go back to a couple of things you said. One\n13 thing was the H Coin. Just so we understand the last thing you\n14 were discussing, what was the H Coin lockup?\n15 A. Just they didn't want people to get their money back from\n16 H Coin. This is my understanding. So they don't want you\n17 touch H Coin. You cannot get any money from them.\n18 Q. You also mentioned free speech and protest. What sorts of\n19 protests did you watch?\n20 A. I didn't like watch it, just listen to what they said about\n21 this protest. For example, SEC protest. One person who\n22 criticize Miles Guo a lot who is in Canada, they protest three\n23 times. Each time 10 days, 20 days. I don't remember exactly.\n24 And they using a lot of invoking pictures, also including\n25 neighbors, friends, family.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 Q. And what, if anything, did the Alliance say about people or\n2 call people who were being protested?\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: Asked and answered.\n4 THE COURT: Overruled. You can answer.\n5 A. You mean Miles Guo call them?\n6 Q. Yeah, what did Miles Guo call them?\n7 A. CCP spy.\n8 Q. And what effect did these sorts of -- this about CCP spies,\n9 what effect did that and the protest have on your doubts?\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection, asked and answered.\n11 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n12 A. Why so many CCP spies around us, I don't know. I feel\n13 that's ridiculous.\n14 Q. Now, Ms. Wu, did Miles Guo ever talk about being targeted\n15 by the CCP?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. What sorts of things did he say?\n18 A. He said he was -- okay. He said the CCP wanted to kill\n19 him. He said CCP arrest his family and almost to him, but he\n20 escape it. He said CCP seized his property, his assets,\n21 something like that.\n22 Q. Ms. Wu, if it were true that Miles Guo was targeted by the\n23 CCP, does that change your view of the investment projects?\n24 A. No.\n25 Q. Does it change your view of the movement?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - Direct\n1 A. No.\n2 Q. Why doesn't it change your view?\n3 A. This movement just a scam. I don't think it's related\n4 anything to the CCP. Also if somebody is anti-CCP, it doesn't\n5 mean this guy could scam somebody else. That's different\n6 things. You cannot use this anti-CCP to do something illegal.\n7 Q. What do you mean by that?\n8 A. Just, for example, you scam money, now you said you scam\n9 money for anti-CCP. I just cannot understand. If you anti-CCP\n10 and you scam money, you think you better than the CCP?\n11 Q. Ms. Wu, overall did you make money or lose money from your\n12 investment?\n13 A. I lost some.\n14 Q. How much did you lose approximately?\n15 A. Around $15,000.\n16 Q. Did Miles Guo personally pay back the $15,000?\n17 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n18 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n19 A. No.\n20 Q. Did you ever ask him one-on-one to do that?\n21 A. No.\n22 Q. Were you ever in one-on-one communication with him?\n23 A. No.\n24 Q. Ms. Wu, sitting here today are you still anti-CCP?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 Q. Do you still trust Miles Guo?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. Why not?\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: Asked and answered, your Honor.\n5 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n6 A. He just a liar. He's very good at acting and cheating, but\n7 I feel he's not honest, reliable, credible, not a decent guy to\n8 be trusted in any way.\n9 MR. FERGENSON: No further questions.\n10 THE COURT: Cross examination.\n11 CROSS-EXAMINATION\n12 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n13 Q. Ms. Wu, you were born in China; is that right?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. You came to the US in 2001?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. And you have a postgraduate degree in computer science,\n18 right?\n19 A. Yes, master.\n20 Q. A master's in computer science. So you worked as a\n21 computer programmer?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And are you retired now?\n24 A. I retired myself.\n25 Q. Fair enough. And when did you retire?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. 2010.\n2 Q. And your husband, he still works?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And he works as a computer programmer?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. And where does he work?\n7 A. A medicine company.\n8 Q. That's okay. I'll move on.\n9 You said you first heard of Miles Guo in 2018, right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Because you saw some of his videos online?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. And that was on YouTube?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. And I believe you testified that in 2020 you started\n16 watching Mr. Guo's videos just about everyday?\n17 A. From one, two times a week to everyday, not from the\n18 beginning everyday.\n19 Q. Okay. But up to a point everyday?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. And is it fair to say that his videos were anti-CCP in\n22 2020?\n23 A. He said something about CCP badness, that's it, and some\n24 kind of a gossip inside the CCP.\n25 Q. Right. The gossip you refer to is, he was exposing what he\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 believed were some of the secrets of the CCP, right?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. And now you were already anti-CCP before you were\n4 introduced to Mr. Guo's videos, right?\n5 A. At that time actually I maybe inside was, but I didn't\n6 realize that clearly.\n7 Q. And you had done some of your own research on the Chinese\n8 Communist Party around this time, right?\n9 THE COURT: Around what time.\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Around 2020, your Honor.\n11 A. Actually before that from my family's history and\n12 experience, I already notice a lot about that. That is why\n13 when I watched Miles Guo video, I thought he said something\n14 true.\n15 Q. And your family experience was partially based on the fact\n16 that your parents were ill, right?\n17 A. My parents illness you mean?\n18 Q. Yes.\n19 A. Not only about that.\n20 Q. Well, in part is my question.\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. And you felt that they were not treated well in China when\n23 they were ill, right?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. And that was part of why you became anti-CCP even in your\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 mind, if not in action, right?\n2 A. Yeah, part.\n3 Q. What was the other part?\n4 A. My family's history.\n5 Q. And when you say your family history, do you mean something\n6 different than your parents' illness?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. Can you tell us what you mean by that?\n9 A. My father was sacrificed in fighting of the CCP when he was\n10 young.\n11 Q. Okay. Now, when you began participating in the movement,\n12 do you understand what I mean by the movement?\n13 A. Rules of law movement?\n14 Q. Yes.\n15 A. Okay.\n16 Q. When you began participating in the movement, you didn't\n17 expect that your participation would lead to the overthrow of\n18 the CCP, right?\n19 A. Miles Guo said.\n20 Q. I'm asking, ma'am, what you thought, what you believed.\n21 A. If can do that, good. If cannot, at least do something.\n22 Q. Did you believe that your participation would overthrow the\n23 CCP?\n24 A. Maybe.\n25 Q. Did you believe that the Rules of Law movement could\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 overthrow the CCP?\n2 A. Maybe.\n3 Q. Okay. Fair enough. But you didn't necessarily expect that\n4 it would overthrow the CCP, right?\n5 A. Anything possible, so who knows.\n6 Q. My question is, you didn't necessarily expect that to be\n7 the case?\n8 THE COURT: Asked and answered. Move on.\n9 Q. In fact, you recall telling the government that you\n10 participated because you thought it would help wake people up,\n11 correct?\n12 A. At this time, yes.\n13 Q. Help them to wake up to how the CCP operates?\n14 A. At least to let people know more.\n15 Q. Sure. And help them understand the truth, right?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. Now do you still have family in China?\n18 A. You mean close family, not relatives?\n19 Q. Any family.\n20 A. Cousin, uncle, something like that.\n21 Q. And how about your husband, does he have family in China as\n22 well?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Do you speak with them? Are you in touch with them?\n25 A. My husband's family, actually they have dialect I could not\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 understand. They're language, I could not understand. They\n2 have some dialects.\n3 Q. Have you visited anyone in China since you left in 2001?\n4 A. 2001, yes.\n5 Q. And when did you return to China?\n6 A. I went there a lot of times.\n7 Q. You visited a lot of times?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. I just want to go through them. Tell me when you visited?\n10 A. Almost every year.\n11 Q. About once a year since 2001?\n12 A. Yes. Maybe not the first two years, but after that.\n13 Q. And so in the year 2000, you visited at least one?\n14 A. 2000?\n15 Q. I'm sorry, 2020.\n16 A. Not COVID-19. I mean before COVID-19.\n17 Q. Before Covid 19. Okay. Fair enough. In 2019, you visited\n18 at least once?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. Was it more than once?\n21 A. Sometime more than once.\n22 Q. And how about since Covid, have you been back?\n23 A. Since?\n24 Q. Mm hm.\n25 A. My father dead. I don't want to go back.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 Q. So you haven't been back since Covid?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. In preparation for your testimony here today, you met with\n4 the government lawyers and agents on a number of occasions,\n5 right?\n6 A. Several times.\n7 Q. Several times?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. Do you remember how many times?\n10 A. I didn't count it.\n11 Q. Well, let's see if we can bill out a list.\n12 Do you recall having a telephone interview with the\n13 FBI at the end of November of 2022?\n14 A. 2022, maybe. I can not remember the time.\n15 Q. Do you remember when the first time was that you spoke to\n16 members of the FBI or the department of justice?\n17 A. I don't remember, but, yes.\n18 Q. Approximately 2022?\n19 A. Yeah, 2022, I don't remember the time.\n20 Q. End of 2022?\n21 A. You mean twice?\n22 Q. Meaning toward the end of 2022.\n23 A. Maybe.\n24 Q. How about in January of 2024?\n25 A. What happened?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 Q. I'm asking you, did you meet with representative of the\n2 U.S. government?\n3 A. Maybe.\n4 Q. Mr. Fergenson here who questioned you earlier today by\n5 Webex?\n6 A. I don't remember, January or February. I'm not sure.\n7 Q. What about in April of 2024, did you have an in-person\n8 interview with Mr. Fergenson?\n9 A. You mean online?\n10 Q. No, an interview with him in person.\n11 A. Face-to-face?\n12 Q. Either way.\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And then again in mid-May, May 17?\n15 A. Mid-May 17?\n16 Q. Mm hm.\n17 A. Face-to-face, in-person?\n18 Q. Either way, ma'am. We'll just say any kind of meeting,\n19 whether it was virtual --\n20 A. I just remember --\n21 Q. Just let me finish. Whether it's an in-person meeting or\n22 virtual meeting or phone call. That's what I mean by meeting\n23 with the government.\n24 A. I don't remember May 17, no.\n25 Q. You don't remember meeting with them in May?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. I met Mr. Fergenson in May, I can't remember that time\n2 because we met May 26. That's just around Memorial Day so I\n3 can remember that.\n4 Q. That was my next fix question. So, fine, you met with him\n5 then. And then again on June 11, right, two days ago?\n6 A. Today 13? Yes.\n7 Q. And then again yesterday in preparation for testimony?\n8 A. Yesterday?\n9 Q. Did you meet with him yesterday?\n10 A. Said hello, is that kind of a meeting?\n11 Q. That I think would qualify as a meeting. You said hello?\n12 A. Yes. When you just meet somebody say hello, that's still\n13 normal.\n14 Q. Great. That's a total of seven meeting, right?\n15 A. I don't know. If you say seven, okay seven. I did not\n16 count it.\n17 Q. Either way you met with him on numerous occasions, right?\n18 A. Numerous, no, several times.\n19 Q. Okay. And in addition during the time that you met with\n20 him, and even before, you forwarded the government numerous\n21 emails, right?\n22 A. Several, should not be numerous.\n23 Q. About how many would you say?\n24 A. I don't remember.\n25 Q. You don't remember, but it was several, not numerous?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. You see, you cannot submit as many. You can't because they\n2 limit the size and the number you can submit, so definitely not\n3 numerous.\n4 Q. Okay. So you forwarded this information to try to help\n5 them, right?\n6 A. Help everybody.\n7 Q. You forwarded the information to try to help the U.S.\n8 government, right?\n9 MR. FERGENSON: Asked and answered.\n10 THE COURT: Well, you've gone from him to the U.S.\n11 government, so you may answer.\n12 A. I think help everybody.\n13 Q. Are you helping Miles Guo?\n14 A. Yeah.\n15 Q. You are?\n16 A. Just make him stop to do something bad.\n17 Q. Okay. Noted.\n18 Now, you testified on direct about making an\n19 investment in GTV, right?\n20 A. Through VOG.\n21 Q. And you invested $14,000, right?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And that was an investment with Sara Wei, right?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. And this wasn't the first time that you had purchased\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 stock, right?\n2 A. Can I just understand, Sara Wei kind of brokerage, stock\n3 brokerage. If this way, this is the first time.\n4 Q. My question was different. This wasn't the first time that\n5 you purchased stock, right?\n6 You have other investments? You have other stock\n7 investments, right?\n8 A. Purchase online, yeah.\n9 Q. Now, you knew that there was some risk associated with\n10 purchasing a stock, right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Every investment has some risk, right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And, in fact, even Mr. Guo you recall him saying that\n15 investing is always a little risky, right?\n16 A. But he also said he guarantee every penny.\n17 Q. I would like you to listen to my question.\n18 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, she's answering the\n19 question.\n20 MR. SCHIRICK: It's non-responsive, your Honor.\n21 THE COURT: Just stick to the question and don't offer\n22 additional question.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Could we please have the court reporter\n24 read back the question.\n25 (Record was read)\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 THE COURT: You may answer.\n2 A. As far as I can remember, he said this very late, not at\n3 the very beginning.\n4 Q. But he said it, right, you remember him saying it?\n5 A. He ask about our investment. At that time he didn't say\n6 this.\n7 Q. Okay. Now, you never spoke with Mr. Guo directly about\n8 your investment before you made it, right?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. You only communicated with Sara Wei, right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Or people who worked for her, right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And, in fact, you sent your $14,000 to Ms. Wei, right?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. And as you testified to on direct, I believe you sent it in\n17 a few different transactions?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. And those transactions were between approximately May 21\n20 and 29, 2020, right?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. And some of those transfers were in fact to Ms. Wei's\n23 personal bank account, correct?\n24 A. She gave that account to me.\n25 Q. She gave you that account and you sent it to her?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And some were to a VOG bank account, right?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And the ones that went to the VOG bank account, again to be\n5 clear, Ms. Wei told you to send those there, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. Now Mr. Guo didn't provide any specifics about where to\n8 send that money, right?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. All the specific instructions came from Ms. Wei?\n11 A. But Ms. Wei and a lot of other guys, they made a lot of\n12 videos in which they said, it was Miles Guo who give us this\n13 opportunities, so we should show our gratitude to Miles Guo\n14 forever. And Miles Guo will create more similar opportunities\n15 for us to invest in later.\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, move to strike as\n17 non-responsive.\n18 THE COURT: So once again, if you listen carefully to\n19 the question and only answer what is being asked. So if he\n20 asks you, what is your favorite color. Then you can answer\n21 whatever it is, blue, red, yellow. But you wouldn't say, and\n22 my favorite flower is the rose. Don't add additional\n23 information. So the prior answer is stricken.\n24 Q. All the specific instructions about where to send money\n25 came from Sara Wei, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Now, do you recall when the GTV private placement closed?\n3 A. June.\n4 Q. June. June 2nd?\n5 A. I don't remember.\n6 Q. Can we just please pull up what's in evidence as Government\n7 Exhibit Z9 and go to the June 2, 2020 entry. I believe it's\n8 page six.\n9 Now, Ms. Wu, do you see what's displayed in the screen\n10 in front of you?\n11 A. You mean the picture?\n12 Q. Correct.\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Do you recognize that as a screen capture from a video?\n15 A. Miles Guo.\n16 Q. Do you recognize that as a screen capture from a video?\n17 A. Maybe, yes.\n18 Q. Do you recognize this as a video that Mr. Guo posted when\n19 the GTV private placement ended in June of 2020?\n20 A. I don't remember that date, but he did that.\n21 Q. But you do recall this video?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. You recall seeing a video?\n24 A. Maybe the same, maybe the same. I'm not sure, but yes.\n25 Q. Now, you testified earlier that during this period you were\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 watching Mr. Guo's videos pretty regularly, right?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. So you recall seeing this video. Do you believe you saw it\n4 around the time that it was posted?\n5 A. You said June 2nd, but I don't remember. I just remember\n6 in June.\n7 Q. So, ma'am, I'm not asking you about the specific date.\n8 My question is, do you remember seeing it around the\n9 time that it was posted?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Thank you. We can take that down.\n12 Now, you testified that you were refunded 92 percent\n13 of the $14,000 that you sent to Sara Wei; is that right?\n14 A. From SEC, yes.\n15 Q. I want to go back to Sara Wei for a second.\n16 Can you tell us who is Sara Wei?\n17 A. She is the earliest, maybe earliest, maybe, I'm not sure,\n18 but from my understanding she is the earliest person who\n19 cooperated with Miles Guo.\n20 Q. And did a time come when Sara Wei had a falling out with\n21 Mr. Guo?\n22 A. 2021 I guess. I cannot remember exactly. That is why\n23 there was that lawsuit MOS farm to Phoenix.\n24 Q. Thank you. We'll get there in a second. So you do recall\n25 a time when they had a falling out?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. Approximately, not exactly.\n2 Q. Again, ma'am, I'm not asking you the exact time. I'm just\n3 asking you if you recall that they had a falling out?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Now, I believe you just started to talk about a lawsuit\n6 that resulted from that falling out, correct?\n7 A. The lawsuit you mean result from a fallen breakup?\n8 Q. From the breakup, yes, that followed the breakup?\n9 A. Yes, follow.\n10 Q. And that was a lawsuit that the farms brought against Sara\n11 Wei and her farm, right?\n12 A. Sara Wei at that time already broke up with Miles Guo, so\n13 I'm not sure if Miles Guo at that time still keep her at that\n14 farm leader.\n15 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, move to strike as\n16 non-responsive.\n17 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, I think she's trying to\n18 answer it very carefully but answering the question.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, the answer is totally not\n20 responsive to the question.\n21 THE COURT: The answer is stricken.\n22 Q. The lawsuit was brought by the farms against Sara Wei's\n23 farm and Sara Wei?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Now, you're aware that the Mountain of Spices farm, MOS\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 farm I believe you referred to it on direct, sued Sara Wei for\n2 stealing funds that supporters had put into the farm loans\n3 program, right?\n4 A. Should be.\n5 Q. Yes?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And that lawsuit was in 2021, right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And where was that lawsuit if you remember?\n10 A. I think Texas.\n11 Q. And you provided translation services to the MOS farm in\n12 support of that lawsuit, right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And the result of that lawsuit -- withdrawn.\n15 You're aware of the result of that lawsuit?\n16 A. No.\n17 Q. So you're not aware that the result of that lawsuit was a\n18 default judgment against Ms. Wei?\n19 A. No, but I --\n20 MR. FERGENSON: Objection, your Honor. She said she\n21 doesn't know.\n22 THE COURT: Asked and answered.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, I believe she was still in\n24 the process of answering it. It may have jogged her\n25 recollection.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 MR. FERGENSON: That's not correct. She said no.\n2 THE COURT: The answer was no.\n3 Q. Now, you were asked some questions about some government\n4 exhibits by Mr. Fergenson earlier today, right?\n5 A. Today, no.\n6 Q. You don't recall testifying on direct and being shown those\n7 spreadsheets?\n8 A. Oh, you mean here, yes.\n9 Q. Yes, here, today just a few minutes ago. Okay.\n10 Now, did you have an agreement with the MOS farm to\n11 provide translation services in connection with that lawsuit\n12 against Ms. Wei?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, may we have a sidebar?\n15 THE COURT: All righty. Step up.\n16 (Continued on next page)\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 (At sidebar)\n2 MR. FERGENSON: I'm not sure where this line of\n3 questioning is going, but the reason for my request, your\n4 Honor, is the witness signed an NDA with the MOS farm. And I\n5 assume, but I just wanted to confirm, we're not going anywhere\n6 where Mr. Schirick is going to suggest she's going to get sued\n7 or retaliated against for breaching the NDA. I assume that's\n8 not the case. I don't know where we're going with it.\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: You assume correct. That's not where\n10 I'm going with this.\n11 THE COURT: Okay.\n12 (Continued on next page)\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 (In open court; jury present)\n2 THE COURT: You may continue.\n3 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n4 Q. So that agreement that you had with the MOS farm was to\n5 provide translation services, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And it was to provide translation services in support of\n8 the MOS farm's lawsuit against Ms. Wei?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. And that's why you had access to the spreadsheets that you\n11 testified about earlier today, right?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. Now, if we could please bring up Government Exhibit\n14 GXVN-12. If we could scroll up a little, please, or down.\n15 That's fine. Thank you.\n16 Now, Ms. Wu, you recognize this as the document that\n17 you looked at a few minutes ago when Mr. Fergenson was asking\n18 you questions?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. And I'd like to just focus you on the line 17 that\n21 Mr. Fergenson focused you on where there's a reference to Abu\n22 Dhabi?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. You see that?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 Q. Now, you don't know that any money was actually sent to Abu\n2 Dhabi, right?\n3 A. From that screenshot, the money amount on that screenshot.\n4 Q. My question is, you don't know yourself that money was\n5 actually sent to Abu Dhabi, right?\n6 A. We just do the calculation, so I don't know.\n7 Q. Right. You just did the translation, right?\n8 A. Calculation here, calculation for the number.\n9 Q. Sure. Now, there's also a question mark next to Abu Dhabi,\n10 right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Do you know why that's there?\n13 A. Because Sara didn't provide us the detail, just that\n14 screenshot for the amount and the destination.\n15 Q. So you didn't have the details, and we don't know if money\n16 was actually sent to Abu Dhabi, right?\n17 MR. FERGENSON: Objection to form.\n18 THE COURT: Compound question. If you want to break\n19 it up.\n20 Q. So you didn't have the details, right?\n21 A. At least I haven't. I don't know others.\n22 Q. Right. You didn't have the details, right?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 THE COURT: Asked and answered.\n25 Q. And the whole point of putting together this information\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 that's in this spreadsheet was to support the lawsuit against\n2 Ms. Wei, right?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And the other spreadsheets that we looked at were also for\n5 the purpose of supporting the lawsuit against Ms. Wei, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. Because she had been accused of taking the money, right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, I was going to move to\n10 another topic. This maybe a good stopping point if we're doing\n11 11:30.\n12 THE COURT: We're going to go to noon.\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: I'm sorry. I didn't realize that.\n14 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n15 Q. We can take that down.\n16 Now, you testified earlier today that you were a\n17 member of the MOS farm, right?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. And approximately when did you join the MOS farm?\n20 A. Maybe May or June 2020.\n21 Q. And that farm was located here in New York, right?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And at the time you joined in May or June of 2020, you\n24 began doing volunteer work, right?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 Q. And you did the translation work that we just talked about?\n2 A. Not this one at the beginning.\n3 Q. What kind of work did you do at the beginning?\n4 A. There was a translation group in the farm, so I joined that\n5 group to do some news translation they ask it.\n6 Q. Any other kinds of volunteer work?\n7 A. Modify some other people's articles.\n8 Q. And were there other people doing volunteer work?\n9 A. You mean what other --\n10 Q. Other members of the farm doing volunteer work?\n11 A. A lot of, yeah.\n12 Q. A lot of people. What kinds of volunteer work were other\n13 people doing?\n14 A. Video.\n15 Q. Video recording?\n16 A. Just like media. They also had workout group. I don't\n17 know what they do, just workout, some exercises, workout group,\n18 religion group, patrol group, just to do patrol to see if\n19 somebody said something not good just delayed or maybe expel\n20 from other farm.\n21 THE COURT: What was the name of that group?\n22 THE WITNESS: Patrol.\n23 THE COURT: How do you spell that?\n24 THE WITNESS: P-A-T-R-O-L.\n25 THE COURT: Patrol.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 THE WITNESS: Patrol.\n2 A. And financial group, legal group, education group.\n3 Q. And what did the education group do?\n4 A. Educate people.\n5 Q. Can you explain that any further?\n6 A. I don't know. I don't know that group, what they were\n7 doing. I don't know.\n8 Q. Anything else?\n9 A. Writing, but the writing is not like any other group, just\n10 a lot of groups had writing group inside.\n11 Q. Make sense. Now, a time came as you testified on direct\n12 that you made a loan to the farm, right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And that was in August of 2020?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. For $20,000 right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. And Mr. Fergenson showed you the loan agreement, right?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. So if we could just pull up that loan agreement GXVN-39.\n21 Now, you testified that you can't recall if you read\n22 the loan agreement before you signed it, right?\n23 A. I really don't remember because it so hurry at that time.\n24 I read it long time ago.\n25 Q. Sure. But you can't recall whether it was before or after\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 that you read it, right?\n2 A. Yeah.\n3 Q. So it's possible that you read it before, right?\n4 THE COURT: Don't ask her to speculate.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: It's a logical conclusion.\n6 THE COURT: Don't testify.\n7 Q. You also testified that you recall Mr. Guo saying at some\n8 point that the proceeds from these loans would go to purchase\n9 GTV stock, right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Now, don't you recall that he said that after you signed\n12 this agreement?\n13 A. I don't remember, that long time ago.\n14 Q. Now, isn't it true you recall Mr. Guo saying that the money\n15 loan through the loan program was for the farm?\n16 A. He said interest to the farm. I don't know what does that\n17 mean, just I remember it like this.\n18 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, move to strike as\n19 non-responsive.\n20 THE COURT: Well, I think the first sentence is\n21 responsive with respect to interest, and so the second part\n22 will be stricken.\n23 Q. Now, you recall telling the government that you understood\n24 that the farm could use the money in any project it wanted,\n25 right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. Xia Qidong said that.\n2 Q. My question is, do you recall telling the government that\n3 that was your understanding?\n4 A. I don't remember.\n5 Q. Okay. Let's see if we can refresh your recollection. Can\n6 we put up for the parties and the witness 3620-10, page three.\n7 Now, Ms. Wu, if you could just read what's in front of\n8 you or should be in front of you momentarily to yourself, not\n9 out loud, and let me know when you're done?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Does that remind you that that is in fact what you told the\n12 government?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. So it is true that you told the government that it was your\n15 understanding that the farm could use the money to invest in\n16 any project that it wanted, right?\n17 A. Yes, but not the contract time.\n18 Q. Speaking of the contract, why don't we go back to the\n19 contract. If we could just zoom in on 1A in the contract, Use\n20 of proceeds.\n21 Now, this sentence says, Use of proceeds. The loan\n22 proceeds advanced under this agreement is for the general\n23 working capital purposes of the borrower. Do you see that?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Who is the borrower under this agreement?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. MOS farm.\n2 Q. We can take that down or just zoom back out. Keep the\n3 exhibit up, but zoom back out. If we could go to the interest\n4 rate section, and this says that the interest rate would be\n5 three percent per annum on the loan amount payable in full on\n6 the final maturity date. Do you see that?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. And then if we can zoom in on final maturity date. It\n9 says, final maturity date 36 months from the effective date.\n10 Do you see that?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Do you understand that maturity date means when the loan\n13 payment becomes due?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. And so the loan payment isn't due before the maturity date,\n16 right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Now, you expected to get interest on the loan, right?\n19 A. Because at that time somebody already got the three percent\n20 when I ask for the refund.\n21 MR. SCHIRICK: Move to strike as non-responsive.\n22 Q. You can't tell me what other people told you. I'm asking\n23 what your understanding was at the time.\n24 THE COURT: Sustained.\n25 A. I understand it, so I just feel unfair why someone else.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 Q. I'm sorry. Can you speak up.\n2 A. I understand it.\n3 Q. You understood that it was for interest, right, the farm\n4 loan was for interest?\n5 A. So why not me?\n6 Q. That's may question. So you expected interest?\n7 A. So, I don't want it.\n8 MR. SCHIRICK: Move to strike, your Honor.\n9 Q. I'm asking you if at the time you signed this agreement you\n10 expected to earn interest?\n11 A. Actually, at that time just the three percent surprise me,\n12 because before Miles Guo said six percent.\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Again, your Honor. Move to strike.\n14 THE COURT: Both answers are stricken. I want you to\n15 listen carefully to the question, and you may read back the\n16 question, and answer just what's being asked.\n17 (Record was read)\n18 A. Not really.\n19 Q. Ma'am, when you met with the government, do you recall\n20 telling them that you were upset that you didn't get interest?\n21 A. No.\n22 Q. Let's see if we can help with that. Can we please pull up\n23 --\n24 MR. FERGENSON: Objection to the commentary, your\n25 Honor.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 THE COURT: Don't testify. Ask her if there is\n2 anything that would refresh her recollection.\n3 Q. Would it be possible if we could show you a document to\n4 help refresh your memory?\n5 A. I'm not sure.\n6 MR. SCHIRICK: May we, your Honor?\n7 THE COURT: You may.\n8 Q. Please pull up 3620-10 at three. While we're waiting for\n9 that, it was your impression that others had been paid\n10 interest, right?\n11 A. I knew some, yes.\n12 Q. And based on that you expected to be paid interest?\n13 A. No.\n14 Q. You didn't expect to be paid interest? Others got it, but\n15 you didn't expect to get interest?\n16 THE COURT: Asked and answered.\n17 Q. Now, isn't it true that under the loan agreement the loan\n18 amount and any accrued interest is paid on that maturity date,\n19 right?\n20 MR. FERGENSON: Asked and answered.\n21 THE COURT: You may answer that question. Actually,\n22 no. I do recall your asking the question, so the objection is\n23 sustained.\n24 Q. Now, Ms. Wu, you sought to terminate the loan agreement\n25 before the maturity date, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 A. Yes, I sought it. Somebody did it, so I sought it.\n2 Q. In fact, you did terminate the loan agreement before the\n3 maturity date, right?\n4 A. Yes, follow examples.\n5 Q. And based on that, you're not entitled to any interest,\n6 right? We just read the contract, right?\n7 A. Yeah.\n8 Q. Is it your understanding that based on your early\n9 termination you are not entitled to interest?\n10 MR. FERGENSON: To the extent it doesn't call for a\n11 legal conclusion, no objection.\n12 THE COURT: Her understanding, but obviously not a\n13 legal conclusion. You may answer what your understanding is.\n14 A. My understanding for that at that time when I ask for the\n15 refund, I just feel this is illegal so I don't want the three\n16 percent interest anymore that illegal money.\n17 Q. You testified on direct that you didn't get your three\n18 percent interest, right?\n19 A. I said that because they didn't show any intention to give\n20 me, so I didn't get and I also don't want that.\n21 (Continued on next page)\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: Move to strike, your Honor.\n2 MR. FERGENSON: I mean, your Honor, we've covered it\n3 as well, so maybe we can move——\n4 THE COURT: The answer is stricken.\n5 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n6 Q. Now you entered into a release of the loan agreement,\n7 right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And the farm in fact refunded your loan; you received all\n10 $20,000 back, right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Okay. Now nowhere in the agreement that we looked at, that\n13 we just reviewed, does it say that you would get GTV stock for\n14 your $20,000 loan to the farm, right?\n15 A. They use the GTV stock to allure me to buy, to go with this\n16 loan program, so yes, I understand no GTV on the contract,\n17 but——\n18 Q. It doesn't say GTV stock anywhere in the contract, right?\n19 A. So that is a scam.\n20 Q. Right. And then in fact, you recall telling the government\n21 during one of your meetings with them that Mr. Guo said that\n22 the farm money is for the farm, not just TV, just——pardon me.\n23 Withdrawn.\n24 You recall telling the government during one of your\n25 meetings with them that Mr. Guo said that the farm loan money\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 is for the farm——\n2 MR. FERGENSON: I believe asked and answered.\n3 Q. ——not for GTV.\n4 MR. FERGENSON: I believe asked and answered.\n5 THE COURT: I'll allow her to answer the question.\n6 A. Not on the contract time; later they said that.\n7 Q. My question is: Do you recall telling the government that\n8 that's your understanding at the time?\n9 A. I told the government, but I didn't at the time, at that\n10 time. I mean, I should tell the government they just said this\n11 later, the contract, so——\n12 Q. That's not what you told the government, right?\n13 THE COURT: She's testified as to what she told the\n14 government.\n15 A. Because the government didn't ask that.\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: There's no question pending, your\n17 Honor.\n18 MR. FERGENSON: Well, then he's just arguing with the\n19 witness, so——\n20 THE COURT: Move on.\n21 Q. Now you testified earlier that you invested through a\n22 company called Wonder Invest; is that right?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. And that company was set up by your husband, right?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Q. Now did you talk to your husband about the farm loan before\n2 you made it?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. Did your husband review the contract?\n5 A. The con——the Wonder Invest is mine at that time.\n6 Q. Ma'am, my question is: Did your husband review the\n7 contract?\n8 A. This is my contract. Why I need my husband to review the\n9 contract? I don't understand this question.\n10 Q. It's a simple question. He either did or didn't review it.\n11 So my question is: Did he review it at the time?\n12 A. I told him by myself. He didn't review, but I told him.\n13 Q. Okay. But you told him about it.\n14 A. Yeah.\n15 Q. Okay. Now you testified that——withdrawn.\n16 Now you actually received your refund of the farm loan\n17 money before you made your first complaint to the government;\n18 is that right?\n19 A. Yes. I don't remember the time I complained to the\n20 government. It may be, yes.\n21 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Now I'd just like to go back\n22 briefly to GX VN39. And if we could go to page——to the\n23 addendum that's at the end of this document.\n24 And scroll to the bottom but not——but excluding the\n25 last page. One more down, please.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 There we go.\n2 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n3 Q. Now you recall being shown this document by Mr. Fergenson?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Okay. And Mr. Fergenson pointed out that the loan\n6 agreement was signed in November of 2021 by a representative of\n7 the farm, right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And this is signed, this addendum is signed by you around\n10 the same time, right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Like three days later.\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Right.\n15 MR. SCHIRICK: And if we go back to the first page of\n16 the addendum, please.\n17 Q. And this addendum that you signed more than a year later,\n18 after signing the first loan contract, you testified you didn't\n19 review this one either?\n20 A. Almost not.\n21 Q. So you did review it to some extent.\n22 A. I just reviewed it where I should fill in——for example, my\n23 name, the time.\n24 Q. Okay. And you reviewed it and you actually included a——and\n25 we're not going to display this, but you included a copy of\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 your driver's license, as well, right?\n2 A. They ask it.\n3 Q. Sure. That's what was asked for, right?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Okay. So you had the time to fill it in and make a copy of\n6 your driver's license. And now did you send this back by\n7 email?\n8 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, objection to testifying.\n9 If he has a question about that, he can ask it.\n10 THE COURT: I'm waiting for the question.\n11 Q. The question is: Did you return this by email?\n12 A. I don't remember. Maybe to G service volunteer.\n13 THE COURT: What is that, G service volunteer?\n14 THE WITNESS: Oh, sorry. G series, G series. A lot\n15 of G, GTV, G Fashion, G Club, it's all together, G series.\n16 THE COURT: Please continue.\n17 Q. And so it's possible that you handed this in hard copy to\n18 another person?\n19 A. No.\n20 THE COURT: So don't ask her what might be possible.\n21 Ask her what happened.\n22 Q. Do you recall whether you did that? Did you hand it in\n23 hard copy to another person?\n24 A. Not hand, not by hand. Not by hand.\n25 Q. Then how did you convey it, ma'am?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 MR. FERGENSON: Asked and answered.\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: Just trying to understand how it was\n3 sent back.\n4 THE COURT: You've already asked the question.\n5 Q. So is it your testimony that at no point after signing this\n6 addendum you reviewed it more carefully?\n7 A. No.\n8 Q. You never reviewed it.\n9 A. I reviewed some.\n10 Q. Okay.\n11 A. Just the 3 percent, like that.\n12 Q. Now you testified that there was some time pressure on you\n13 with respect to the original loan agreement. There wasn't any\n14 time pressure on you with respect to this addendum, was there?\n15 A. Yeah.\n16 Q. There was?\n17 A. My family issue. My family issue.\n18 Q. So there wasn't any time pressure put on you by Mr. Guo.\n19 Right?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Right? No time pressure put on you by anybody at the\n22 farms, right?\n23 A. They asked several days to return it.\n24 Q. Sure. Do you think several days is enough time to review a\n25 four-page contract?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 A. If carefully, one by one, word by word, not enough.\n2 Q. Four days isn't enough to review a four-page contract?\n3 MR. FERGENSON: Asked and answered.\n4 THE COURT: Asked and answered, and don't testify.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Okay.\n6 Q. Now when did you, according to you, first review either the\n7 loan agreement or the addendum, in detail?\n8 A. Can you repeat that again.\n9 Q. Sure.\n10 THE COURT: Are you asking when did she make a\n11 thorough review of the contract?\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: Yes, your Honor.\n13 THE COURT: And the addendum?\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: Correct, your Honor.\n15 THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.\n16 A. You mean carefully review of this?\n17 Q. That's right. That's the question.\n18 A. Not one by one. Maybe just some.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Move to strike, your Honor.\n20 THE COURT: The answer is stricken. The question is\n21 when.\n22 THE WITNESS: When. I cannot remember when.\n23 Q. Okay. Did you ever review it carefully, before you met\n24 with the prosecutors?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Q. When was that, approximately?\n2 A. Around the time I asked a refund.\n3 Q. Around the time you asked——you planned to ask for a refund,\n4 right?\n5 A. Yeah.\n6 Q. Okay. And were you surprised by what was in there?\n7 A. Not exactly that surprised.\n8 Q. Yeah, not that surprised, right?\n9 A. Because I——\n10 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor——\n11 A. ——a lot of people said something already about this\n12 contract.\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. I'll move on.\n14 Now again, I'm change——I'm going to change topics,\n15 your Honor. Is now a good time or should we continue?\n16 THE COURT: All right, yes. This is a fine time.\n17 It's 11:55.\n18 So you'll have your break. We'll return at 12:30.\n19 Remember not to discuss the case amongst yourselves or with\n20 anyone else. Don't permit anyone to discuss the case in your\n21 presence. And don't read, watch, or listen to anything from\n22 any source that has anything to do with the subject matter of\n23 this trial.\n24 You may step out. Don't discuss your testimony.\n25 (Jury not present; witness not present)\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 THE COURT: You may be seated.\n2 Do the parties want to raise anything before we return\n3 at 12:30?\n4 MR. FERGENSON: Not from the government.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: Not from the defense, your Honor.\n6 THE COURT: All right.\n7 (Luncheon recess)\n8\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 AFTERNOON SESSION\n2 12:30 p.m.\n3 THE COURT: Please get the jurors.\n4 (Jury present)\n5 THE COURT: Please be seated.\n6 And you may continue the cross-examination.\n7 Remember, ma'am, that you are still under oath.\n8 THE WITNESS: Yes.\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you, your Honor.\n10 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n11 Q. I'd like to just talk briefly about H Coin.\n12 So I believe you testified that you purchased H Coin\n13 in April of 2021, right?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. And you purchased $4,500 worth of H Coin; is that right?\n16 A. You mean total?\n17 Q. Yeah.\n18 A. More than that.\n19 Q. Okay. How much, in total?\n20 A. Plus 5 percent commission, plus 35 other fees.\n21 Q. I'm sorry. Can you just speak up a little. Plus what?\n22 A. The H Coin fee, plus 5 percent commission, plus 35 other\n23 fees.\n24 Q. Right. And my question was just how much you spent on the\n25 H Coin. Was it more than 4500 or 4500?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 A. I have four——44,500, right? Then should be 4,450 for H\n2 Coin only.\n3 Q. Right. Okay. So you spent——am I correct in understanding\n4 you that you spent $4,500 on H Coin?\n5 A. Yeah, for H Coin only.\n6 Q. Yeah. Okay. That's all my question was.\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: All right. Now if we could please pull\n8 up Government Exhibit VN37.\n9 Q. And Ms. Wu, this is——I believe this is the exhibit that\n10 Mr. Fergenson showed you on direct.\n11 Okay. Now do you remember Mr. Fergenson asking you\n12 some questions about this document earlier?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Okay. And this reflects here on page 1 that you purchased\n15 44,500 coins, right?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 THE COURT: If you would bring the microphone close to\n18 your mouth.\n19 THE WITNESS: Okay.\n20 THE COURT: You can pull it, you can move it around.\n21 THE WITNESS: Yes.\n22 Q. Okay. And then Mr. Fergenson asked you some questions\n23 about your understanding of this document, right?\n24 A. Understanding this contract?\n25 Q. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Okay. And was it your understanding at the time that you\n3 signed this that the H Coin were being offered to you in part\n4 because of your volunteer work for the farms?\n5 A. They already added into this number for 44,500.\n6 Q. Right. And my question is a little different. My question\n7 is: Did you understand that the reason that you were being\n8 offered the opportunity to buy this number of H Coin was partly\n9 based on your volunteer work for the farm?\n10 A. No, I don't understand that. I never——I never heard of\n11 that.\n12 Q. You didn't understand that? Am I right that there was a\n13 formula that you testified to on direct that determined the\n14 number of coins that you would be allocated?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. And didn't that formula include in part how much volunteer\n17 work you had done for the farms, or for the Alliance?\n18 A. For the farms, that formula does not include this——this\n19 volunteer work, H Coin. I don't know how to call it.\n20 Q. Okay. What did it include, as far as you understand?\n21 A. That formula calculation number, at that time, and then\n22 when I needed to pay for this H Coin, the G series volunteer\n23 told me I should pay how much and told me something like how\n24 many H coins I should have.\n25 Q. Okay. And did you——in that conversation with the volunteer\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 did they ask you about your volunteer work?\n2 A. Ask my volunteer work? For what? I mean——\n3 Q. So you'll correct me if I get it wrong, but my\n4 understanding was that you had a conversation with a volunteer\n5 about the allocation of H coins. Do I have that right so far?\n6 A. Not discussion; just send me a message, just let me know.\n7 Q. Okay. So it was by Discord?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. Okay. And I'm just going to refer to that as a discussion,\n10 if that's okay.\n11 A. Okay.\n12 Q. Okay. So in that Discord discussion, did the volunteer\n13 mention your volunteer work for the farm?\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. Okay. Now do you recall telling the government that it was\n16 your understanding that your volunteer work figured into the\n17 coin allocation formula?\n18 A. No.\n19 Q. You don't recall that?\n20 A. You mean I tell the government about I volunteer work for\n21 the H Coin?\n22 Q. Yeah. You don't recall telling the government that.\n23 A. I——I——don't remember.\n24 Q. Okay. Maybe it will help if I show you a document?\n25 MR. SCHIRICK: Could we please pull up 3620-17. And\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 if we could just highlight that relevant portion there, Jorge.\n2 THE WITNESS: Oh, I remember this.\n3 Q. Does that refresh your memory that your volunteer work was\n4 part of the formula for determining your H Coin allocation?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Okay. Great. We can put that down.\n7 Okay. So being given this H Coin allocation was at\n8 the time, you understood, an opportunity or a reward for your\n9 volunteer work, right?\n10 A. I know this after that the G series volunteer gave me the\n11 number. At that time I felt very strange about this number,\n12 and later, somebody told me about this.\n13 Q. So it's your testimony you didn't understand at the time\n14 that you were being given this opportunity to buy H Coin\n15 because you did volunteer work, you only learned that after?\n16 Just looking to clarify.\n17 MR. FERGENSON: I think it misstates the testimony.\n18 But——\n19 THE COURT: You may answer.\n20 A. I think when I got the Discord message, I was kind of\n21 confused, and I just to confirm the number with that volunteer\n22 worker, they said everything was correct, and then I just paid\n23 the money, but later, I asked somebody else, they just said,\n24 that was your reward.\n25 Q. So they used the word \"reward,\" right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 A. Yeah. After the payment, I——I understood that.\n2 Q. Okay. But that's what you understood, that it was a\n3 benefit you were being given as a reward for part of your work,\n4 right?\n5 MR. FERGENSON: Just objection to form.\n6 THE COURT: You may answer.\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. Okay. Now at the time that you signed——I'm sorry.\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Jorge, could we pull that back up, the\n10 37. Sorry.\n11 Q. At the time that you signed this document, did you read\n12 this, did you read this one?\n13 A. Already said at that time I already wanted a refund so I\n14 didn't pay attention, but I need to sign; I needed to sign this\n15 first.\n16 Q. Okay. So you didn't read this one either.\n17 A. Not really.\n18 Q. Okay. And your testimony is that at the time you signed\n19 this, you had already decided that you were going to leave the\n20 movement, right? You were uncomfortable.\n21 A. I have not——I had not decided at that time to leave this\n22 movement because I think even if I got all my money back, I\n23 could still in this group, right? So at that time I hadn't\n24 decided if leave or not. That's year 2021.\n25 Q. So you may have——if you got all of your money back, you may\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 have stayed in the movement; is that right?\n2 MR. FERGENSON: Calls for speculation.\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: I believe that's what she just said,\n4 your Honor.\n5 THE COURT: I think you may answer. Go ahead.\n6 A. I haven't——I hadn't have the final decision at that time.\n7 The final decision made just 2022.\n8 Q. Right. But that's what you were considering. You were\n9 considering staying in the movement even if you got your money\n10 back, right?\n11 A. Yeah. Some people, they didn't pay anything but still in\n12 the group.\n13 Q. Right. Okay. Now did you——did a time come when you did\n14 read this document, before you met with the prosecutors?\n15 A. You mean——can you just repeat.\n16 Q. Sure. Did a time come when you read this document, the one\n17 that's on your screen, before you met with the prosecutors?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. So you did read this one at some point.\n20 A. Yes, some point, not all.\n21 Q. And when was that?\n22 A. When I asked the refund.\n23 Q. Okay. So I believe you testified that you read your farm\n24 loan agreements when you——when it came time to ask for a\n25 refund, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 A. Not all, some, yes.\n2 Q. How many farm loan agreements are there?\n3 A. I mean, this contract, there are several pages, right?\n4 That's long. So——\n5 Q. Well, let's count them. How many pages are there? If we\n6 could just flip. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six.\n7 A. Yeah.\n8 Q. Five and a signature page.\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Did I count that correctly?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Yes? Okay. Now you, as part of your work for the farm,\n13 you were a translator, right?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. You translated documents from Mandarin to English?\n16 A. English-Mandarin, Mandarin-English.\n17 Q. Yeah, sure. Both ways?\n18 A. Yeah.\n19 Q. Yeah. Makes sense. And for a five-page document, how long\n20 would it take you to translate that?\n21 A. This is a lot of terminology, financial or law, law\n22 terminology. I don't want to. At that time I already thought\n23 about leaving, so why I spend a lot of time on this?\n24 Q. So when you did translation work for Mountains of Spices as\n25 part of the Sara Wei lawsuit——do you remember we talked about\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 that earlier today?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Okay. Now is it fair to say that there was plenty of law\n4 and legal terminology in those materials?\n5 A. Actually, the assistant did a lot of this part.\n6 Q. Okay.\n7 A. I just——just the plain translation and some calculation for\n8 the number.\n9 Q. Okay. So you had, it sounds like——is it fair to say you\n10 had limited translation skills?\n11 A. Not limited. I don't have that time. I didn't have that\n12 time, a lot of time. That assistant always stayed night to do\n13 this, and after that, after that——\n14 Q. I'm sorry. Go ahead.\n15 A. After that, she just felt so tired, and she just asked me\n16 to help her some, something, so——\n17 Q. Okay. And you were——I believe you testified you were not\n18 employed at this time, right? At the time that you signed this\n19 agreement, you'd been retired?\n20 A. Important, retire? You mean retire myself?\n21 Q. Yes.\n22 A. Yeah.\n23 Q. Okay. And so your testimony is that you were retired but\n24 you didn't have the time to read a five-page document?\n25 A. At that time I said my family issues.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Q. Okay. Now did anyone——withdrawn.\n2 No one put pressure on you to sign this document\n3 quickly, right?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. I believe you testified that you signed this document weeks\n6 if not months later, right?\n7 A. Months, because the months later, they gave us this, the\n8 contract.\n9 Q. But you had already sent the money, right?\n10 A. At that time, nothing; no contract, no agreement, nothing.\n11 Q. Right.\n12 A. Yeah.\n13 Q. So you had the opportunity to review the agreement; there\n14 was no rush to get the money in, right, because it was already\n15 in?\n16 A. Money already paid.\n17 Q. Right.\n18 A. Yeah.\n19 Q. So you had time to review the agreement, no?\n20 A. If I didn't sign, can I get my money back?\n21 Q. Ma'am, can you try answering my question?\n22 A. Okay, yeah. Review? Yes?\n23 Q. You had time, right?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Okay. That's all I'm asking.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Now as you testified before, you had——a time\n2 came——excuse me——when you asked for a refund, right, for the H\n3 Coin purchase?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Right. And you followed up a few times with a volunteer to\n6 get the refund, right?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. And that was in January of 2023, approximately, right?\n9 A. January? You mean I got the refund?\n10 Q. No. That you followed up with a volunteer. The timing\n11 was, when you followed up with the volunteer, in approximately\n12 January of 2023.\n13 A. I still don't understand. January 2023.\n14 Q. Do you remember when you got the refund?\n15 A. I remember should be March.\n16 Q. That you received the refund, right, received the money\n17 back?\n18 A. Some.\n19 Q. Okay. And what you're referring to is you didn't receive\n20 back $200 or so in what you view as fees, right?\n21 A. 5 percent commission fee and——\n22 Q. Right. But you got everything else back besides the\n23 5 percent commission, right?\n24 A. Just for the H Coin only. You asked me to calculate at the\n25 beginning.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Q. Right. Okay.\n2 Now you mentioned that you invested through Wonder\n3 Invest, right? You testified about that?\n4 A. Not for H Coin.\n5 Q. Okay. But you did invest through it for farms and GTV?\n6 You made the farm loan through——\n7 A. VOG, right? You mean VOG? One transfer, yes, was Wonder\n8 Invest.\n9 Q. Okay. And the farm loans?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Okay. Now does Wonder Invest——withdrawn.\n12 Did you——did Wonder Invest invest in anything else\n13 apart from the——I think what you called the G series\n14 investments?\n15 A. You asked into my own company; is that okay?\n16 Q. Yeah. That's fine with me.\n17 A. Okay. Yes.\n18 Q. My question is: Did it invest in anything else?\n19 A. My own company?\n20 Q. Yes.\n21 A. Yeah.\n22 Q. Okay. What?\n23 A. Stock.\n24 Q. What kinds of stock?\n25 A. Just some kind of——\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Q. Like stock on the stock exchange?\n2 A. Yeah, yeah, just stock on the market.\n3 Q. What kind of investments, what kind of stock?\n4 A. What kind of stock? You mean the field, what field?\n5 Q. Yeah. Why don't we try this: How much are those other\n6 investments worth?\n7 A. All together?\n8 Q. Yeah.\n9 A. Including already sold?\n10 Q. Why don't——\n11 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, just a relevance\n12 objection.\n13 THE COURT: Are you asking what her current portfolio\n14 is worth?\n15 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, she testified that she\n16 invested through this company, so I'm just trying to figure out\n17 what else the company invested in.\n18 MR. FERGENSON: Just a relevance objection.\n19 THE COURT: You may ask that question.\n20 A. I cannot remember. I——just——\n21 Q. Okay.\n22 A. You want a statement? I can't——\n23 Q. Ma'am, I'm just asking you for your memory of what else\n24 you've invested in.\n25 MR. FERGENSON: She said she can't remember.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 THE COURT: She doesn't remember. Let's go.\n2 Q. Now you testified that it was your company, but didn't you\n3 also testify on direct that your husband gave it to you just to\n4 play with?\n5 A. Yeah.\n6 Q. Okay. So how much, approximately, is in there for you to\n7 play with?\n8 A. The same questions you asked, just like how many stock,\n9 right?\n10 Q. No.\n11 MR. FERGENSON: Object on relevance, your Honor.\n12 THE COURT: Are you asking how much money her husband\n13 gave her to play with?\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: Well, what is the value of the assets\n15 and cash that are in this entity that she has to play with;\n16 that's my question.\n17 THE COURT: You may answer.\n18 A. Just the company, the account itself.\n19 Q. Okay. You can't give me a dollar figure, right?\n20 A. Give you a dollar?\n21 Q. Figure. A dollar amount. Do you understand me okay?\n22 A. I understand. It's just the company bank account. Just\n23 this account. Just like you open account, then you have that\n24 account.\n25 Q. Sure. But you won't tell me the dollar amount, but the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 account——\n2 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n3 THE COURT: So don't testify. Only ask questions.\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: Sure. Okay. All right. We'll move\n5 on.\n6 Q. Now you were asked some questions by Mr. Fergenson about if\n7 you knew you had H Coin on the Himalaya Exchange. Do you\n8 remember that?\n9 A. I——I cannot hear you, the whole sentence. Can you repeat\n10 again. Just, I——\n11 Q. Yes. So, no problem. So you testified earlier when you\n12 were on direct examination with Mr. Fergenson——\n13 A. Mm-hmm.\n14 Q. ——and he asked you if you knew if your H Coin was ever on\n15 the Himalaya Exchange. Do you remember that?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. Okay. And you said no, right?\n18 A. Yes. I don't have account.\n19 Q. Okay. And you checked, right?\n20 A. Checked what?\n21 Q. Ma'am, you checked whether your H Coin was on the Himalaya\n22 Exchange is the question I just asked.\n23 MR. FERGENSON: Asked and answered.\n24 MR. SCHIRICK: She did not answer.\n25 THE COURT: You may answer.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 A. You mean a check?\n2 THE COURT: No. He's asking whether you checked; did\n3 you inquire, did you check.\n4 THE WITNESS: I don't have account. Where I to check?\n5 Q. So the answer is you didn't check, right?\n6 A. I have no place to check. I don't know how to——to——which\n7 one to ask.\n8 Q. Did you call anybody?\n9 A. I asked the volunteer work there, they said they don't\n10 know.\n11 Q. Okay. Did you ever sell any of your H Coin?\n12 A. I don't have H Coin in my hand. How could I sell? I don't\n13 have in my hand. I cannot control it. How could I sell\n14 anything?\n15 Q. Well, that's the question. So the answer would be no.\n16 A. Okay.\n17 THE COURT: All right. So don't tell her what the\n18 answer should be. You ask questions, she gives answers; you\n19 don't testify, and she doesn't ask questions.\n20 MR. SCHIRICK: Sure.\n21 Q. Let's talk about your G/CLUBS membership.\n22 Now did you first learn about G/CLUBS from the G/CLUBS\n23 launch video?\n24 A. I know G Club from Miles Guo's video.\n25 Q. From his——now do you recall launching——excuse me.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Withdrawn.\n2 Do you recall watching the launch video for G/CLUBS?\n3 A. Miles Guo smoking, that one?\n4 Q. Do you know what I mean by launch video?\n5 A. Yeah.\n6 Q. Okay. What do you think I mean?\n7 A. I just remember he's just smoking in that video. That one?\n8 MR. SCHIRICK: Move to strike as nonresponsive.\n9 THE COURT: No. She's asking you are you referring to\n10 a video in which Mr. Guo is smoking.\n11 MR. SCHIRICK: Why don't we make this easy and pull up\n12 the video. GX C148-V1. And let's please go to time stamp\n13 3:28. And we'll just play it for a few seconds.\n14 MR. FERGENSON: I think, your Honor, Mr. Schirick may\n15 be pulling up GX C9. I may have misheard, but I think that's\n16 the exhibit.\n17 THE COURT: Well, you can confer with him.\n18 (Counsel conferring)\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, may we approach?\n20 THE COURT: Sure.\n21 (Continued on next page)\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 (At the sidebar)\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: So, your Honor, we just want to note\n3 for the record that the 3500 material shows that the witness\n4 met with the government on at least one occasion, perhaps more,\n5 with an interpreter, and that she continues to seem to have\n6 trouble in understanding questions, asking questions directly.\n7 So we'd like to ask for an interpreter.\n8 MR. FERGENSON: I've never used an interpreter with\n9 her. I had a standby interpreter on the calls, because we\n10 don't know, when we're first talking to someone, their facility\n11 with English.\n12 THE COURT: So was there ever an agent, whether you or\n13 someone else, who used an interpreter?\n14 MR. FERGENSON: Not that I'm aware of.\n15 THE COURT: She seems to me as being exceptionally\n16 smart and fluent in English. It may be a bit broken, but I\n17 have the sense that she understands every single word that\n18 you're saying. And she's great at the volleys.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Well, I have to say I respectfully\n20 disagree. I think we've had to rephrase questions any number\n21 of times to try to get it across. Your Honor struck numerous\n22 answers from her testimony as being nonresponsive. It either\n23 shows that she's not willfully responding to the question or\n24 she doesn't understand.\n25 THE COURT: She's against your client and she wants to\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 let the world know what she thinks. So yeah, she might be\n2 resisting you, but it's not about the language.\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, I think, you know——\n4 MS. SHROFF: So I think at one point, your Honor, she\n5 was asked a question about when she had seen a document or\n6 something to that effect and her answer was indicative of she\n7 thought when the document was in fact created as opposed to\n8 when she saw it. We're just suggesting that because the direct\n9 flows more easily because she's prepped, so on the cross, it\n10 seems that she doesn't quite understand either the lingo or the\n11 question. And, look, she can volley all she wants. She's very\n12 funny. I'll give you that.\n13 THE COURT: She is as clever as she can be, and you\n14 can't be clever if you don't understand the question.\n15 MS. SHROFF: Well——\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Or be clever by pretending not to\n17 understand the question.\n18 THE COURT: That's very possible, but I do not have\n19 the sense she has a language problem. I think she has a\n20 problem with your client and she's letting you know. And\n21 you've got to be deft and you've got to be agile. That's how\n22 it works.\n23 (Continued on next page)\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 (In open court)\n2 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n3 Q. Okay. So we're going to play you a video and you just let\n4 me know if you recognize it, okay?\n5 A. Okay.\n6 Q. And if you don't——Ms. Wu, if you don't understand a word\n7 that I'm using or a phrase that I'm using, just feel free to\n8 let me know and I'm happy to rephrase, okay?\n9 A. Okay.\n10 (Video played, for witness only)\n11 Q. Okay. Do you recognize that as the launch video for\n12 G/CLUBS?\n13 A. I don't remember.\n14 Q. Okay. Now at the time you were watching Mr. Guo's\n15 broadcasts fairly regularly, right?\n16 A. Too many. I cannot remember every one.\n17 Q. Yeah. I'm sure.\n18 So a time came when you purchased the G/CLUBS\n19 membership, right?\n20 A. Yeah.\n21 Q. Now did you purchase the G Club membership after watching\n22 this video?\n23 A. I don't remember.\n24 Q. Would you have made the purchase if you hadn't watched the\n25 video?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n2 THE COURT: Sustained. If she can't remember, then\n3 how she can answer this follow-up question?\n4 Q. How did you first learn about G/CLUBS?\n5 A. Miles Guo said that.\n6 Q. When?\n7 A. I don't remember.\n8 Q. Do you remember approximately when?\n9 A. On a yacht.\n10 Q. No, in time, ma'am.\n11 A. I don't remember.\n12 Q. Do you think you sent $10,000 to G/CLUBS?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Withdrawn. How did you learn where to send the $10,000 for\n15 G/CLUBS purchase?\n16 A. How do you learn?\n17 Q. Yeah. How did you know where to send the $10,000 for the\n18 G/CLUBS purchase?\n19 A. GClub.com?\n20 Q. So you went to the website?\n21 A. Yeah, the farm told us to do so.\n22 Q. Okay. And you registered on the website?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Okay. And you received a membership number, right?\n25 A. You mean the online number, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 Q. A membership number, right.\n2 A. Okay, yes, online, yeah.\n3 Q. And do you recall whether you received that before or after\n4 you watched the G/CLUBS video?\n5 A. I don't remember.\n6 Q. Okay. Now you testified that G/CLUBS didn't give you any\n7 benefits, right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. You did have a potential discount on G Fashion, right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. But you didn't like their stuff.\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. Now did you ever ask or inquire of G/CLUBS whether they\n14 were adding additional benefits?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. Okay. Tell me about that.\n17 A. I wrote email to them.\n18 Q. Did you produce that email to the government?\n19 A. No. I deleted it, because one time my computer, some\n20 problem. I don't know what happened. Some——something just,\n21 gone.\n22 Q. Sure. It got deleted.\n23 A. Yeah.\n24 Q. Did you ever——besides the email that you just referenced,\n25 did you ever inquire in any other way about whether they were\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 adding additional benefits?\n2 A. I talked with members of the farm about this.\n3 Q. Okay. But my question was: Did you talk to anyone at\n4 G/CLUBS, or attempt to get in touch with anyone at G/CLUBS?\n5 A. No.\n6 Q. Okay. Now wasn't one of the benefits of G/CLUBS the G\n7 Talks sweepstakes?\n8 A. The benefits not that useful.\n9 Q. Didn't you enter the G Talks sweepstakes?\n10 A. Once.\n11 Q. Only once?\n12 A. Yeah.\n13 Because somebody told me something——\n14 Q. Sure. There's no question pending.\n15 A. Okay.\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: All right. Now if we could just please\n17 pull up GX C148-TX, which is also in evidence.\n18 And if we can go to page 5, please.\n19 Q. Can you see that displayed, that document displayed on the\n20 screen in front of you?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Okay. Now I'm going to read there. You let me know if I\n23 get it correct, okay? And this comes from the G/CLUBS launch\n24 video.\n25 Under the reviewed——\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 MR. FERGENSON: He's testifying. He just said this is\n2 the G/CLUBS launch video. She never said that.\n3 THE COURT: So the witness has not stated that she\n4 remembers the G Club launch video.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: And I'm only showing this to her and\n6 reading it to her to see if it refreshes her recollection.\n7 THE COURT: So let's step up, please.\n8 (Continued on next page)\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 (At the sidebar)\n2 THE COURT: So she doesn't recall whether she saw the\n3 launch video. If you want to refresh her recollection, first\n4 you would say, is there something that might refresh your\n5 recollection, then you would show that to her, but you can't\n6 read from it; you'd ask her to read from it and ask, does this\n7 refresh your recollection.\n8 MR. SCHIRICK: This document is in evidence, your\n9 Honor.\n10 THE COURT: Absolutely, but when you're refreshing\n11 somebody's recollection, you can't read from the document. You\n12 have to first show the person the document and ask them, does\n13 it refresh your recollection.\n14 MR. FERGENSON: And I would just——my objection was\n15 just him stating this is from the launch video when she's never\n16 testified to that. She doesn't remember watching the video.\n17 MR. SCHIRICK: Mr. Fergenson is stating——\n18 THE COURT: The launch video is in evidence. And so\n19 you're trying to get at whether or not she saw it and whether\n20 she heard these warnings. That's what you're trying to get at,\n21 right?\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: Sure.\n23 THE COURT: So first you've got to establish that she\n24 has some recollection of seeing the video. She said she\n25 doesn't recollect. So maybe you can jog her memory. And the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 way that you jog the memory is by showing her something,\n2 whatever that thing might be, just showing it to her alone and\n3 asking her.\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: Happy to do that. Happy to do that.\n5 THE COURT: You could, for example, show her the video\n6 without the sound, and ask her does she recollect seeing that.\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: And that's what that video actually\n8 was, your Honor, was the beginning of it, beginning of the\n9 launch video.\n10 THE COURT: That was a document that we're reading\n11 from and what I'm suggesting is not right.\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: I was referring to the previous\n13 exhibit, your Honor, that had the Mandarin on the one side and\n14 the English on the other, and the audio recording. That's\n15 actually the launch video. But I'm happy to take the Court's\n16 point. I'm happy to refresh her recollection.\n17 THE COURT: Okay.\n18 (Continued on next page)\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 (In open court)\n2 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n3 Q. Now, Ms. Wu, you testified earlier, correct, that you don't\n4 recall whether you watched the G/CLUBS launch video?\n5 A. I don't remember. I don't remember.\n6 Q. Okay. Would it help if I showed you the document, help\n7 refresh your memory?\n8 A. No.\n9 Q. So nothing I can show you would help refresh your memory;\n10 you know that for sure without ever having seen it?\n11 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n12 THE COURT: Sustained.\n13 Is there something that might refresh your\n14 recollection? That's the question.\n15 THE WITNESS: For that video, no.\n16 THE COURT: Move on.\n17 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n18 Q. Do you have any problems with your memory, ma'am?\n19 A. I don't think so.\n20 Q. Okay. Now you were asked some questions by Mr. Fergenson\n21 about Miles Guo being targeted by the CCP. Do you remember\n22 that?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Okay. And you said you don't think that the projects that\n25 Miles Guo worked on had anything to do with the CCP. Do you\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 remember that?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Can we pull up DX Stip 1.\n4 Q. Now I'm going to read you this document, and you let me\n5 know if it changes your mind——\n6 A. Okay.\n7 Q. ——about the question you just answered.\n8 \"It is hereby stipulated and agreed by the United\n9 States of America and Miles Guo, the defendant, through their\n10 attorneys of record that:\n11 \"1. The FBI has investigated individuals who, working\n12 at the direction of the government of the People's Republic of\n13 China ('the PRC government') have engaged in an international\n14 campaign, known as 'Operation Fox Hunt,' to coerce individuals\n15 located in the United States and elsewhere to return to China\n16 to face charges brought by the PRC government or to otherwise\n17 reach financial settlements with the PRC government.\n18 \"2. In 2017, a U.S. law enforcement agency assessed\n19 that Mr. Miles Guo was the highest priority of China's\n20 repatriation efforts.\n21 \"3. In 2017, a U.S. law enforcement agency received\n22 information that Chinese officials were paying and providing\n23 food and signs to protestors of Mr. Guo.\n24 \"4. In 2018, a U.S. law enforcement agency received\n25 information that the PRC government had established a special\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Cross\n1 investigative group in China to manage China's investigation\n2 of, and actions against, Mr. Guo.\"\n3 Now if we could scroll down to the next page.\n4 \"5. To carry out some of the objectives of Fox Hunt,\n5 in 2017, the PRC government tasked a specially-designated group\n6 of operatives ('the Group') with discrediting and harassing\n7 individuals including Mr. Guo by using interactive computer\n8 services and electronic communication systems.\"\n9 Now if we could just scroll down to paragraph 6,\n10 please.\n11 \"6. Since Mr. Guo fled the PRC, the PRC government\n12 has sought his return for prosecution in the PRC and has\n13 employed numerous methods to effect Mr. Guo's capture or\n14 arrest. In May 2017, the PRC government sent four undeclared\n15 agents from the PRC's Ministry of State Security ('MSS') to the\n16 United States to attempt to cause Mr. Guo's coerced\n17 repatriation to the PRC as part of the Fox Hunt initiative.\n18 The U.S. government disrupted the PRC government's efforts to\n19 forcefully repatriate Mr. Guo, and Mr. Guo continued to reside\n20 in the United States.\"\n21 Do you see that, ma'am?\n22 A. Yes. Yes.\n23 Q. Do you still believe that Mr. Guo's projects had nothing to\n24 do with being anti-CCP?\n25 A. Not exactly. I think this shows nothing to prove Miles Guo\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 anti the CCP. I don't think so.\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: No further questions at this time, your\n3 Honor.\n4 THE COURT: Redirect?\n5 MR. FERGENSON: Thank you, your Honor.\n6 Ms. Loftus, do you want to pull up DX Stip 1, if you\n7 have it.\n8 REDIRECT EXAMINATION\n9 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n10 Q. While we're waiting, Ms. Wu, about the stipulation, the\n11 agreement between the parties you were just read, can you\n12 explain to the jury what you mean when you say that doesn't\n13 have anything to do with Miles Guo being anti-CCP?\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection. She just explained it.\n15 THE COURT: I don't know if that was her exact answer.\n16 You could ask her to further explain the answer, but I don't\n17 know, the way you characterize it, if that's correct.\n18 MR. FERGENSON: Understood, your Honor.\n19 Q. Ms. Wu, could you explain your answer to the jury, please.\n20 A. Fox Hunt, this operation, chased many——chased after many\n21 people. Actually, not all people on this list are good people.\n22 I——as far as I know, Fox Hunt operation wanted a lot of people\n23 who colluded with CCP officer or officers to make huge fortune\n24 and then these people escaped abroad with the money, so this\n25 operation included some kind of these people, and as far as I\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 can searched online——\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, objection.\n3 THE COURT: Overruled. You may continue.\n4 A. ——I just find that Miles Guo belongs to this category, so\n5 he committed economic crimes in China. I didn't find things\n6 about Miles Guo's political reason in China. So I——I think\n7 that's paragraphs prove nothing that Miles Guo anti-CCP.\n8 Q. And Ms. Wu, you testified that you first learned about\n9 Miles Guo in 2018, right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. And had you heard of him before that?\n12 A. No.\n13 Q. Had you heard of him being a CCP dissident before that?\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. All right. Ms. Wu, you were asked some questions about\n16 Sara Wei.\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Which farm did Sara Wei lead?\n19 A. At that time Phoenix Farm.\n20 Q. Who picked the farm leaders?\n21 A. Miles Guo.\n22 Q. Who gave the farm leaders instructions?\n23 A. Miles Guo.\n24 MR. FERGENSON: And Ms. Loftus, if we could pull up\n25 GX Z9. Could we go to page 192.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 Q. Ms. Wu, you were also asked questions about a falling-out\n2 between Miles Guo and Sara Wei. Do you remember that?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. All right. Now just focusing you on the bottom of page 192\n5 here, this date in this chart is February 13th, 2023, and the\n6 image there says Full Text of Miles Guo's Gettr Video.\n7 MR. FERGENSON: If we could scroll down slightly.\n8 And we'll go to the bottom of 193.\n9 Q. If we could, Ms. Wu, I'll just read the two paragraphs\n10 here.\n11 It says, \"Don't make excuses for yourself under any\n12 circumstances——\"\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n14 THE COURT: Is this document in evidence?\n15 MR. FERGENSON: It is, your Honor.\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Is there a question?\n17 THE COURT: Perhaps you could ask the question first.\n18 MR. FERGENSON: Yes, your Honor. Is it okay if I ask\n19 Mr. Schirick if she can let me know if I read it correctly.\n20 THE COURT: No. You certainly could whisper in his\n21 ear the anticipated question.\n22 (Counsel conferring)\n23 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n24 Q. Ms. Wu, can you read the two paragraphs starting with,\n25 \"Don't make excuses.\"\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 A. \"Don't make excuses for yourself under any circumstances,\n2 whether it comes to earning money, striving for a goal, or\n3 pursuing what you believe in. Don't justify your failures and\n4 greed.\n5 \"In particular, Chinese people always like to pass the\n6 buck and blame someone in the family or their life for their\n7 own mistakes. They always make someone else the scapegoat and\n8 say it is this person's fault or that it was not because of him\n9 . . . our Chinese like to point fingers at others. Please,\n10 take responsibility for what you do.\"\n11 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, objection. There's no\n12 question.\n13 THE COURT: I'm waiting for the question.\n14 Q. Are you familiar with what a scapegoat is?\n15 A. This word, yes.\n16 Q. What is a scapegoat?\n17 A. Just put your fault on others and let others be responsible\n18 for your fault.\n19 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, if we could go to page 6.\n20 Q. Ms. Wu, you were asked about this entry on the chart. Do\n21 you remember that?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 MR. FERGENSON: If we could scroll down.\n24 I'm sorry. Could we scroll up slightly, Ms. Loftus.\n25 Q. And Ms. Wu, in this video, just focusing you on the last\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 sentence of that first paragraph.\n2 A. Okay.\n3 Q. Could you read that sentence.\n4 A. This turned out to be a conservative estimate and 17.5\n5 times the valuation.\n6 Q. And what sorts of things did Miles Guo say about the value\n7 of GTV?\n8 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection. Asked and answered.\n9 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n10 A. He said, I remember 20 billion; maybe he said later was\n11 higher value.\n12 MR. FERGENSON: And Ms. Loftus, if we could go to\n13 page 28.\n14 Q. Ms. Wu, you were also asked about whether you sent your\n15 farm loan money before seeing a Miles Guo video about the\n16 farms. Do you remember being asked about that?\n17 A. I remember he asked about the G/CLUBS video.\n18 Q. Okay. We can do that too.\n19 MR. FERGENSON: If we can scroll down slightly. And\n20 we can keep scrolling down.\n21 Q. Now, Ms. Wu, do you see the date on the chart here is\n22 July 22, 2020?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Is this before you sent your G/CLUBS money?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 Q. And do you see in the screenshot there, it says \"You become\n2 a shareholder of G Club immediately\"?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 MR. FERGENSON: If we could just pull up quickly\n5 GX V939.\n6 Government Exhibit VN39.\n7 Q. While we're waiting, Ms. Wu, you were asked questions about\n8 the H Coin quota formula. Do you remember being asked about\n9 that?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Can you explain how the volunteer work——well, withdrawn.\n12 Was the volunteer work the only thing that went into\n13 the formula, or just one thing?\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n15 THE COURT: Sustained.\n16 Q. Can you explain how the volunteer work factored into the\n17 formula generally.\n18 A. I don't know. They just——they did this. I don't think\n19 they had any rules for this. They just, like, if they like you\n20 and then give you more, if you——if they——just like according to\n21 their own feeling. I don't know. I don't know there are any\n22 rules for that.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection. Speculation, as to what\n24 other people thought or did.\n25 THE COURT: She said she doesn't know if there are any\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 rules. The answer stands.\n2 Q. And Ms. Wu, now that we have the loan agreement up, do you\n3 remember being asked questions about, you know, paragraph 1(d)\n4 here about the maturity date? Do you remember those questions?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 MR. FERGENSON: If we could scroll down to the\n7 signature page.\n8 Q. Ms. Wu, at the time you sent your money, did you even have\n9 a countersigned contract?\n10 A. No.\n11 Q. How long after you sent your money and you signed the\n12 contract did you get a signed copy back?\n13 A. Just this, 2021, November 2nd.\n14 Q. And did you get an addendum on that same date?\n15 A. I cannot remember. Maybe together. I don't remember.\n16 Q. Ms. Wu, you were also asked questions about your family in\n17 China. Do you remember being asked questions like that?\n18 A. Can you make it clearer.\n19 Q. On cross-examination you were asked questions about whether\n20 you had family in China. Do you remember that?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. And you were asked questions about whether you visited\n23 China. Do you remember that?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Are you testifying today because the CCP forced you to?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Recross\n1 A. No. You mean CCP force me to sit here to answer your\n2 question? No.\n3 Q. Are you a CCP spy?\n4 A. No.\n5 MR. FERGENSON: No further questions.\n6 THE COURT: Recross?\n7 RECROSS EXAMINATION\n8 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n9 Q. Ms. Wu, you were just shown a video from July 22nd of 2020,\n10 right?\n11 A. Yes, just now.\n12 Q. Okay. Sure. And Mr. Fergenson asked you whether you\n13 recalled if you had seen that before you purchased your G/CLUBS\n14 membership, right?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. Okay. And I showed you a video about the G/CLUBS launch,\n17 right?\n18 A. You showed me the video? No.\n19 Q. You don't recall me showing you a video?\n20 A. Just about the text, not a video.\n21 Q. It was a video that had text, right?\n22 A. Okay, yeah.\n23 Q. Okay. And so you remember that I showed that to you\n24 earlier.\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Recross\n1 Q. Okay. And you couldn't remember whether the video I showed\n2 you was before or after your G/CLUBS purchase, right? That was\n3 your testimony.\n4 A. You didn't say the date, right? I remember after that——\n5 Q. Would it help if I showed it to you to refresh your memory?\n6 A. Okay.\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: So if you pull up GX 148-TX, please.\n8 This is a document that's in evidence and it's dated\n9 October 13, 2020.\n10 And go to page 5, please.\n11 Q. And let me know if I get this right. Okay?\n12 \"Under the revised launch plan for G/CLUBS, however,\n13 members will not receive special access to future offerings of\n14 stock, will NOT receive GTV stock, and will NOT receive loans\n15 to purchase memberships. This is serious business, brothers\n16 and sisters. Even if you have bought G Club, it absolutely\n17 will not come with the stocks; it does not mean that you can\n18 buy stocks of G Fashion and GTV; and, it does not mean that you\n19 will be able to receive loans in the future. No! No! No!\n20 I'll repeat, this is a very serious topic. No! No! There is\n21 no GTV's stock. And there is no G Fashion's stock. When I\n22 hear all this, I got chills. There is none of that.\"\n23 Does that refresh your recollection?\n24 A. No. And I asked the date for this. The date.\n25 Q. As I said before, it's October 13th. It's three days\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Recross\n1 before you purchased your G/CLUBS membership, right?\n2 MR. FERGENSON: I mean, he can't do that, your Honor.\n3 THE COURT: She asked for the date.\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: It's a fact in evidence.\n5 THE COURT: October 13th what year?\n6 MR. SCHIRICK: 2020. It's a fact in evidence, by\n7 stipulation of the parties.\n8 THE COURT: Are you asking whether or not October 13th\n9 comes two days before October 15th? Is that the question?\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Yes. And it's the 16th.\n11 THE COURT: Whether October——\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: 16th comes three days after\n13 October 13th, the date of this video.\n14 THE COURT: It's a compound question. So let's take\n15 it in pieces.\n16 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n17 Q. Okay. You purchased your G/CLUBS membership on\n18 October 16th, right, you testified before?\n19 A. I said October. I don't remember the date.\n20 Q. If I were to show you a document, would it refresh your\n21 recollection?\n22 A. If you have the document, yes. Yes.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Not for the jury yet, just for\n24 the witness and the parties.\n25 Q. Ma'am, do you recognize this document?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Recross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And what is it?\n3 A. My wire transfer statement.\n4 Q. And in fact, this is a statement that you sent to the\n5 government lawyers, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, we offer this into\n8 evidence.\n9 THE COURT: Any objection?\n10 MR. FERGENSON: No, your Honor.\n11 THE COURT: It is admitted. Do you have an identifier\n12 for this?\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Yes. DX 7002, your Honor. I'm sorry.\n14 3.\n15 (Defendant's Exhibit 7003 received in evidence)\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: May we publish it to the jury, your\n17 Honor.\n18 THE COURT: Yes.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Can we please zoom in on the date under\n20 the words Wire Transfer Information.\n21 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n22 Q. Can you see the document, Ms. Wu?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. And does this refresh your recollection that you purchased\n25 your G Club membership by sending $10,000 on October 16, 2020?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Recross\n1 A. I still cannot remember, but the paper like this, okay,\n2 that is the time.\n3 Q. Okay. But you don't have any reason to believe that this\n4 document, which you gave to the government, is incorrect, do\n5 you?\n6 A. This is right. This is right.\n7 Q. It's right.\n8 A. Yeah.\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Now if we go back to the\n10 previous exhibit, GX C148-TX. Actually, I take that back. Can\n11 we go to GX Z9.\n12 And if we can please go to the October 13, 2020,\n13 entry.\n14 Q. Now do you see the document that's displayed on your\n15 screen?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. And you see that the date column is October 13, 2020?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. And now if we can scroll down.\n20 Keep going. Keep going, please.\n21 Keep going. We're looking for——here. There we go.\n22 Q. Now do you see here with the sentence beginning, \"Under the\n23 reviewed launch plan for G/CLUBS, however, members will not\n24 thereby have opportunity to subscribe for or purchase any\n25 shares to be issued in the future and will NOT receive GTV club\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Recross\n1 stock\"? Do you see that?\n2 MR. FERGENSON: Your Honor, this is the third time\n3 we're reading the same text in the examination. Just trying to\n4 speed things along.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: Just trying to link it up.\n6 THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.\n7 Q. Do you see that?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And that was, as the chart tells you——the chart is in\n10 evidence——that that is from October 13th, right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. And that's three days before you purchased your G/CLUBS\n13 membership, right?\n14 A. I heard his previous or previous——or previous videos.\n15 Q. My question is, this is three days before you purchased\n16 your G Club membership, right?\n17 A. Yes, this is correct.\n18 Q. Okay. Thank you.\n19 Now you also——you testified a moment ago that you\n20 don't believe that Mr. Guo is truly anti-CCP, right?\n21 A. No, he's not.\n22 Q. Okay. Well, if we can pull up one more time DX Stip 1.\n23 Paragraph 5.\n24 And I'm going to start reading about halfway through\n25 this paragraph, a little bit more than halfway through,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - Redirect\n1 beginning with the words \"In or about December 2018.\"\n2 \"In or about December 2018, officers of the Group were\n3 directed to post three videos or posts daily with YouTube and\n4 Facebook accounts, with one of the posts required to be\n5 anti-Mr. Guo. On February 3, 2020, a PRC government official\n6 issued a tasking requirement that every member of the Group\n7 shall write an original article with content related to\n8 targeting Mr. Guo, the COVID pandemic, or Hong Kong. The FBI\n9 investigated the Group's activities, including its activities\n10 aimed at Mr. Guo, and the U.S. government has charged many of\n11 the group's members with violations of U.S. law.\"\n12 Can you tell me why the PRC government would be\n13 targeting——\n14 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n15 Q. ——Mr. Guo in this way if he's not anti-CCP?\n16 THE COURT: Sustained. She cannot speak for the\n17 Chinese government.\n18 Q. Does this change your opinion as to whether Mr. Guo is\n19 anti-CCP?\n20 A. No.\n21 Q. Even if the CCP is after him, it doesn't change your\n22 opinion at all?\n23 THE COURT: Asked and answered.\n24 MR. SCHIRICK: No further questions, your Honor.\n25 THE COURT: Any redirect?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 MR. FERGENSON: Very briefly.\n2 REDIRECT EXAMINATION\n3 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n4 Q. Ms. Wu, when you sent money to G/CLUBS, what did you expect\n5 to receive?\n6 A. GTV stock.\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: Beyond the scope.\n8 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n9 Q. Did you expect G/CLUBS money to be used to buy a mansion?\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection. Beyond the scope.\n11 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n12 Q. Did you expect G/CLUBS money would be used to buy a\n13 mansion?\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: Same objection.\n15 A. No.\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: No further questions.\n17 THE COURT: Any re-recross?\n18 MR. SCHIRICK: No, your Honor.\n19 THE WITNESS: Good.\n20 THE COURT: You may step out.\n21 THE WITNESS: Thank you.\n22 (Witness excused)\n23 THE COURT: And the government may call its next\n24 witness.\n25 MR. FINKEL: The government calls Kimberly Espinoza.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 THE LAW CLERK: Would you raise your right hand,\n2 please.\n3 (Witness sworn)\n4 THE LAW CLERK: Thank you.\n5 THE COURT: Please state your name and spell it.\n6 THE WITNESS: Kimberly Espinoza. K-I-M-B-E-R-L-Y,\n7 E-S-P-I-N-O-Z-A.\n8 THE COURT: You may inquire.\n9 MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor. Just one moment,\n10 please.\n11 KIMBERLY ESPINOZA,\n12 called as a witness by the Government,\n13 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:\n14 DIRECT EXAMINATION\n15 BY MR. FINKEL:\n16 Q. Ms. Espinoza, can you please remind the members of the jury\n17 where you work and what your title is.\n18 A. I work at the FBI and my title is a forensic accountant.\n19 THE COURT: One moment, please.\n20 You may continue.\n21 MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.\n22 Q. Ms. Espinoza, you've testified at this trial previously; is\n23 that correct?\n24 A. Yes, that's correct.\n25 Q. And after you testified last time you testified at this\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 trial, were you contacted by the case team again?\n2 A. Yes, I was.\n3 Q. And what, if anything, did the case ask you to do?\n4 A. To review new financial information, and testify again.\n5 Q. And did you review that new financial information?\n6 A. Yes, I did.\n7 MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, at this time, pursuant to\n8 GX Stip 14, the government offers GX VNB1-3, GX IDB1, 3, 4, 7,\n9 GX SIG1, GX SIL4, GX SIL3, GX SIL40.\n10 THE COURT: The stipulation is already in evidence?\n11 MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor.\n12 THE COURT: Any objection?\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.\n14 THE COURT: They are admitted.\n15 (Government's Exhibits VNB1-3, IDB1, IDB3, IDB4, IDB7,\n16 SIG1, SIL4, SIL3, SIL40 received in evidence)\n17 MR. FINKEL: Pursuant to Stip 8, the government offers\n18 BR451 and BR452.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.\n20 THE COURT: They're admitted.\n21 (Government's Exhibit BR451 and BR452 received in\n22 evidence)\n23 MR. FINKEL: And the government also offers GX CAP623\n24 and GX CAP624.\n25 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 THE COURT: They're admitted.\n2 (Government's Exhibits CAP623 and CAP624 received in\n3 evidence)\n4 MR. FINKEL: Thank you, your Honor.\n5 Ms. Loftus, if we could please display for the witness\n6 what's been marked for identification as GX Z12. And if you\n7 can just flip through that so Ms. Espinoza can take a look at\n8 it.\n9 We can go back to page 1.\n10 BY MR. FINKEL:\n11 Q. Ms. Espinoza, do you recognize this document?\n12 A. Yes, I do.\n13 Q. What is it?\n14 A. It's an analysis of financial statements that was——that I\n15 assisted with.\n16 Q. And did you review this analysis?\n17 A. Yes, I did.\n18 Q. Did you check it for accuracy based on the underlying\n19 exhibits?\n20 A. Yes, I did.\n21 Q. Is it accurate?\n22 A. Yes, it is.\n23 Q. And are those underlying exhibits voluminous records?\n24 A. Yes, they are.\n25 Q. And what kind of records are the underlying exhibits?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 A. Bank accounts, like bank statements, checks, deposits,\n2 withdrawals, and also some documentation relating to a\n3 property.\n4 MR. FINKEL: The government offers Z12.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.\n6 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n7 (Government's Exhibit Z12 received in evidence)\n8 MR. FINKEL: If we could publish it, please.\n9 Q. Ms. Espinoza, at a high level, what was the money flow, if\n10 any, that you analyzed in this chart?\n11 A. It was money that was transferred from Crane Advisory Group\n12 LLC to Lawall & Mitchell, LLC, and then the ongoing of funds\n13 from there.\n14 THE COURT: I didn't catch where you said it was\n15 transferred.\n16 THE WITNESS: Lawall & Mitchell.\n17 Q. Do you know what Crane Advisory Group is?\n18 A. I do not.\n19 Q. Do you know who Haitham Khaled is?\n20 A. I do not.\n21 Q. Okay. This is the first——we're looking at the first slide\n22 of Z12, Ms. Espinoza. And at the top left, it says Capital One\n23 887 and 890. What do those numbers refer to?\n24 A. Those are the last four digits of two bank accounts.\n25 Q. Bank accounts in the name of what entity?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 A. Crane Advisory Group, LLC.\n2 MR. FINKEL: If we could go to the next slide, please.\n3 Q. And what are we looking at here on slide 2?\n4 A. These are the signature cards for those two Crane Advisory\n5 Group LLC bank accounts.\n6 Q. What's the signature card?\n7 A. It's a card provided by the bank listing all the account\n8 information and then who's the authorized user or signer of the\n9 account.\n10 Q. What's the business name at the top of each of these\n11 accounts, the 887 and 890 accounts?\n12 A. It's Crane Advisory Group, LLC.\n13 Q. And what is the signature at the bottom of these signature\n14 cards?\n15 A. Haitham Khaled.\n16 MR. FINKEL: We can go to the next slide, please,\n17 Ms. Loftus.\n18 Q. And what does this slide represent, Ms. Espinoza?\n19 A. There were additional Crane Advisory Group LLC bank\n20 accounts that were not at Capital One, so these are——there were\n21 seven accounts at three other banks.\n22 Q. And they were all in the name of Crane Advisory Group?\n23 A. Yes, they were.\n24 MR. FINKEL: Could we go to the next slide, please.\n25 Q. And what are we looking at here?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 A. These are three signature cards for those bank accounts I\n2 just referred to, so they're for IDB Bank and for Signature\n3 Bank.\n4 Q. And these accounts are in the name of what entities?\n5 A. Crane Advisory Group, LLC.\n6 Q. And what is the contact information on these three\n7 documents on the screen, or the name of the individual?\n8 A. The name of the signer?\n9 Q. Yes, please. Thank you.\n10 A. Is Haitham Khaled.\n11 MR. FINKEL: Okay. We can go to the next slide,\n12 please, Ms. Loftus.\n13 Q. What is Lawall & Mitchell?\n14 A. I'm not sure.\n15 Q. Did you look at bank account information for Lawall &\n16 Mitchell?\n17 A. Yes, I did.\n18 Q. And is that at Valley National Bank?\n19 A. Yes, it is.\n20 MR. FINKEL: Could we go to the next slide, please,\n21 Ms. Loftus.\n22 Q. And can you explain to the members of the jury,\n23 Ms. Espinoza, what this slide represents, slide 6.\n24 A. At the bottom is just like an example of one of the\n25 statements, so it just shows it said Valley National Bank, it\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 says Lawall & Mitchell, LLC, the address is also listed there,\n2 and the——the last four digits of the account, which is 1500.\n3 Q. Okay. Do you know who Aaron Mitchell is?\n4 A. I do not.\n5 MR. FINKEL: Ms. Loftus, if you could bring up GX 128,\n6 please, which is in evidence.\n7 Q. Do you know who this individual is?\n8 A. I do not.\n9 MR. FINKEL: Ms. Loftus, if we could go back to Z12 at\n10 page 6, please.\n11 Q. And on the left side of——excuse me. On the left of this\n12 slide, Ms. Espinoza, it says balance as of September 26th.\n13 What is the balance as of September 26, 2021?\n14 A. $73,672.\n15 MR. FINKEL: And if we could go to the next slide,\n16 please, Ms. Loftus.\n17 Q. And so are these the three——excuse me——the groups of\n18 accounts that you were analyzing, at least initially?\n19 A. Yes, that's correct.\n20 MR. FINKEL: Let's go to the next slide, please,\n21 Ms. Loftus.\n22 Q. So we're on slide 8 now, Ms. Espinoza, and what does slide\n23 8 depict? Can you describe it please to the members of the\n24 jury.\n25 A. So the two Crane Advisory Group, LLC Capital One accounts\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 ending in 0887 and 0890 transferred a total of $37,006,848 on\n2 September 29, 2021, to Lawall & Mitchell LLC's bank account at\n3 Valley National Bank.\n4 Q. Do you know why those two Crane accounts transferred\n5 $37 million and change on September 29, 2021?\n6 A. I do not.\n7 MR. FINKEL: If we can go to the next page, please,\n8 Ms. Loftus.\n9 Q. What does this page represent, slide 9?\n10 A. The total there at the bottom is the 37,006,848 that I just\n11 said from the previous slide, so this is three separate\n12 transfers which add up to that total.\n13 Q. And why is there an asterisk on the first transfer, the\n14 date of the first transfer?\n15 A. Because the wire went through on September 29, 2021, but on\n16 the Capital One statement, the date of the transaction was\n17 listed as September 10, 2021.\n18 Q. Do you know the reason for that delay?\n19 A. I do not.\n20 MR. FINKEL: If we can go to slide 10, please,\n21 Ms. Loftus.\n22 Q. Ms. Espinoza, can you describe what slide 10 represents.\n23 A. So for the other seven bank accounts at the other three\n24 banks of Crane——for Crane Advisory Group, LLC bank accounts,\n25 $9,542,511 was transferred to Lawall & Mitchell at Valley\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 National Bank between September 27, 2021, and October 27, 2021.\n2 Q. And prior to these transfers can you remind the jury\n3 approximately how much money was in the Lawall & Mitchell\n4 account.\n5 A. It was about 73,000.\n6 MR. FINKEL: If we can go to slide 11, please,\n7 Ms. Loftus.\n8 Q. And what does this slide represent?\n9 A. The total at the bottom is the 9,542,511 from the prior\n10 slide, so this is just showing each individual transfer which\n11 makes up that amount.\n12 Q. And so there were some transfers of less than $10; is that\n13 correct?\n14 A. Yes, that's correct.\n15 Q. That's what the records show?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 MR. FINKEL: If we could go to slide 12, please.\n18 Q. And so Ms. Espinoza, turning to slide 12, what was the\n19 total amount transferred by these nine Crane Advisory Group\n20 bank accounts into Lawall & Mitchell?\n21 A. $46,549,359.\n22 Q. Did you follow the money flow from the Lawall & Mitchell\n23 account further?\n24 A. Yes, I did.\n25 MR. FINKEL: Go to slide 13, please, Ms. Loftus.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 Q. And can you tell the jury what we're looking at in slide\n2 13.\n3 A. On November 8, 2021, Lawall & Mitchell, that same account\n4 that we've been discussing at Valley National Bank, transferred\n5 $46,549,275 to an account at Silvergate Bank called Hamilton\n6 Opportunity Fund SPC.\n7 Q. What is Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC?\n8 A. I do not know.\n9 MR. FINKEL: If we can go to slide 14, please.\n10 Q. And by the way, Ms. Espinoza, aside from your testimony\n11 today on this chart and your testimony I guess a week or so ago\n12 on that chart, did you have any other involvement in this case?\n13 A. I did not.\n14 Q. Ms. Espinoza, can you explain to the members of the jury\n15 what we're looking at on slide 14.\n16 A. This is a signature card for the Silvergate Bank account.\n17 They referred to it as a master agreement. So it says the two\n18 people who are authorized to use the account are Kin Ming Je\n19 and David Fallon.\n20 Q. And Kin Ming Je is on the left side?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Do you know who that individual is?\n23 A. I do not.\n24 MR. FINKEL: Ms. Loftus, can we please pull up\n25 Government Exhibit 103.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection. Is there a question?\n2 MR. FINKEL: I'm just waiting for the document to\n3 load.\n4 Q. My question is, Ms. Espinoza: Do you know who this\n5 individual is depicted in Government Exhibit 103?\n6 A. I do not.\n7 Q. Do you know if this is Kin Ming Je?\n8 A. I do not.\n9 MR. FINKEL: Can we go back please to Government\n10 Exhibit Z12 at slide 14.\n11 Q. And what was the balance prior to these transfers,\n12 approximately?\n13 A. 29 million.\n14 MR. FINKEL: Go to slide 15, please, Ms. Loftus.\n15 Q. What happened to the 46½ million and change that was\n16 transferred from Lawall & Mitchell into the Hamilton\n17 Opportunity Fund, 7739 account? What happened to it after\n18 that?\n19 A. On December 2, 2021, the same amount, so 46,549,275, was\n20 transferred to another Hamilton Opportunity Fund account at\n21 Silvergate Bank. The account's last four digits are 7713.\n22 Q. And was there any information in these wire transfers\n23 that's not reflected on the chart about the reason for these\n24 transfers?\n25 A. On the bank statement, there was——it did say investor\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 incorrect account, or something to that effect.\n2 Q. And do you know who put that information into the wire\n3 transfer?\n4 A. I do not.\n5 (Continued on next page)\n6\n7\n8\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Direct\n1 BY MR. FINKEL:\n2 Q. Do you know why that information was included?\n3 A. It could have been the bank. It could have been the\n4 sender, but I don't know why.\n5 Q. Can we go to slide 16, please, Ms. Loftus, the next slide.\n6 Ms. Espinoza, what are we looking at here?\n7 A. This is a mass agreement or signature card for Silvergate\n8 Bank at 7713, and it's the same authorized users which are Kin\n9 Ming Je and David Fallon.\n10 Q. Kin Ming Je and David Fallon are the authorized users for\n11 both of these Hamilton Opportunity Fund accounts; is that\n12 correct?\n13 A. Yes, that's correct.\n14 Q. What was the balance in this Hamilton Opportunity Fund 7713\n15 account prior to the $46.5 million transfer?\n16 A. $4,779,188.\n17 Q. Ms. Espinoza, did you also track the money flow after this\n18 46.5 million went from Crane Advisory Group to Lawall &\n19 Mitchell to Hamilton Opportunity Fund to a second Hamilton\n20 Opportunity Fund, did you find out what happened to it after\n21 that?\n22 A. Yes, I did.\n23 Q. Go to the next slide, please, Ms. Loftus.\n24 What happened on December 8, 2021?\n25 A. $2 million payment was made to McDonnell Whitaker attorney\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Direct\n1 trust.\n2 Q. If we can go to the next slide, please.\n3 Ms. Espinoza, what happened on December 16, 2021?\n4 A. $24,500,000, a payment was made to Insight Title Services,\n5 LLC trust.\n6 Q. And that payment was made from which account?\n7 A. The Hamilton Opportunity Fund 7713 account.\n8 Q. If we can go to the next slide, please.\n9 What does this slide depict?\n10 A. An additional 13 million was sent to Buck Esquire, LLC\n11 attorney trust account between December 1, 2021 and March 2,\n12 2022.\n13 Q. So in total approximately how much money was transferred\n14 from, bringing the money flow all the way down, but ultimately\n15 from this Hamilton Opportunity Fund 7713 between December 8 and\n16 March 2, 2022?\n17 A. $39,500,000.\n18 Q. Ms. Espinoza, did you also review documents from Insight\n19 Title Services, LLC trust?\n20 A. Yes, I did.\n21 Q. Documents pertaining to this $24.5 million?\n22 A. Well, documents related to a property which is\n23 approximately that amount, yes.\n24 Q. Can we go to the next slide, please. Is this one of the\n25 documents that you reviewed?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Direct\n1 A. Yes, it is.\n2 Q. It says at the top settlement statement HUD-1; is that\n3 correct?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Do you know what an HUD-1 statement is?\n6 A. In looking at the statement, it just for like a property\n7 purchase, so it list the borrower, the seller, the purchase\n8 price, and borrower and seller transactions.\n9 Q. And if we can zoom in on the G box on the left side at the\n10 top. Are you able to read that, Ms. Espinoza?\n11 A. Yes. Property Location, 675 Ramapo Valley Road, Mahwah,\n12 New Jersey 07430. Would you like the rest?\n13 Q. No. That's okay. Can you zoom out of that, please.\n14 Can you zoom into the box above it where it says name\n15 and address of borrower.\n16 According to this document, Ms. Espinoza, what is the\n17 name of the borrower?\n18 A. Taurus Fund, LLC.\n19 Q. Do you know what that is?\n20 A. I do not.\n21 Q. Ms. Loftus, can you zoom in on row 101 where it says\n22 contract sales price.\n23 What is the contract sales price of this home?\n24 A. $26 million.\n25 Q. And if we can zoom in, please, on row 201.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Direct\n1 What is it say for the deposit or earnest money?\n2 A. $2 million.\n3 Q. Ms. Loftus, you can go back to slide 19.\n4 How much was the transfer on December 8, 2021, to\n5 McDonnell Whitaker attorney trust?\n6 A. $2 million dollars.\n7 Q. Go back to slide 20, the next slide, please, Ms. Loftus.\n8 If we can go to the next slide.\n9 Are these additional documents from Insight Title\n10 Services?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. If you can zoom in, Ms. Loftus, on the first row on the\n13 left. Go all the way over to the right.\n14 Can you read across this row, please, the first row,\n15 Ms. Espinoza?\n16 A. On December 17, 2021, Taurus Fund LLC, HUD line 303, cash\n17 from borrower, and it's a deposit amount of $24,344,844.44.\n18 Q. Zoom out of that. The bottom of the document it says\n19 $155,155.56. Can you explain the document on the right?\n20 A. The document on the right is a wire transfer for that same\n21 amount. It's made from Insight Title to Buck Esquire, LLC, and\n22 there's a note at the bottom which says overfund.\n23 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you can zoom in on the last row of the last\n24 document, the second to last row.\n25 Can you read the last, next to December 17, 2021,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Cross\n1 beginning with Crocker?\n2 A. Crocker Mansion Estate, LLC, a New Jersey Limited Liability\n3 Company, HUD line 603, cash to seller, $10,852,425.02.\n4 Q. Have you ever been to 675 Ramapo, Valley Road?\n5 A. I have not.\n6 Q. You ever been to the Crocker mansion?\n7 A. No.\n8 MR. FINKEL: Thank you, Ms. Espinoza. Nothing\n9 further.\n10 THE COURT: Cross examination.\n11 CROSS-EXAMINATION\n12 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n13 Q. Thank you, your Honor. Just briefly. Good to see you\n14 again, Ms. Espinoza. As we covered last time, you testified\n15 the government's lawyers asked you for the first time to\n16 testify in this case about three weeks ago, right, maybe a\n17 little more?\n18 A. Maybe three to four weeks ago.\n19 Q. And again, you didn't know anything about this case before\n20 the prosecutor asked you to testify?\n21 A. I did not.\n22 Q. And again as we covered, you weren't part of the FBI's\n23 investigative team on this matter?\n24 A. Correct.\n25 Q. And you're not part of the prosecution team?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Cross\n1 A. Correct.\n2 Q. And, in fact, as you testified on direct, you haven't\n3 really had any involvement in this case aside from your\n4 testimony and then your prep for that testimony, right?\n5 A. Yes, that's correct.\n6 Q. Now, just turning to the chart briefly, can you just tell\n7 me who created the first draft of the chart?\n8 A. I believe it was a forensic accountant, not myself, another\n9 forensic accountant at the FBI.\n10 Q. And approximately when was that?\n11 A. It was maybe two weeks ago.\n12 Q. And after that first draft, you and the government lawyers\n13 talked about the chart?\n14 A. I think I may have received it at like maybe version three\n15 or four, so I wasn't involved in the initial conversations.\n16 Q. In the earlier version. And after you received it in\n17 version three or four, how many additional versions were there\n18 after that?\n19 A. I believe this is version five, five or six, but I believe\n20 it's five.\n21 Q. Fair enough. Let's just take a quick look at the chart.\n22 If we could pull it up, please, Government Exhibit C-12. I'm\n23 just going to ask you a couple of questions. We can flip\n24 through this quickly. If we could please go to page four, the\n25 title of this slide is Crane Advisory -- I'm sorry. Withdrawn.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Cross\n1 Off to the right-hand side of this page in a box\n2 that's outlined in green it says Crane Advisory seven accounts\n3 at three banks, right?\n4 A. Correct.\n5 Q. And this slide displays two signature cards at IDB Bank,\n6 right?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. And then one signature card from Signature Bank?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Was there a third bank involved here?\n11 A. Yes, there was.\n12 Q. And was that bank Morgan Stanley?\n13 A. Yes, it was.\n14 Q. And how many accounts did Crane have at Morgan Stanley if\n15 you recall?\n16 A. Four accounts.\n17 Q. And there aren't any signature cards from those accounts at\n18 Morgan Stanley displayed here, right?\n19 A. Correct.\n20 Q. If we could please go to page eight.\n21 Now I believe you were asked this on direct, but you\n22 don't know what Lawall & Mitchell is, right?\n23 A. I do not.\n24 Q. Do you know why it's receiving funds?\n25 A. I do not.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Cross\n1 Q. So you don't know, for example, if Lawall & Mitchell is one\n2 of G/Club's attorneys, right?\n3 A. I do not know.\n4 Q. If we could go to slide 13, please.\n5 Now, this slide shows Lawall & Mitchell sending money\n6 to Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC, right?\n7 A. Yes, it does.\n8 Q. And you testified that you don't know what kind of fund\n9 Hamilton is, right?\n10 A. I do not know what type of fund it is, no.\n11 Q. You don't know in whose name these funds are listed at\n12 Hamilton, right?\n13 A. I believe we have signature cards on the next slide for\n14 them and the names that are listed.\n15 Q. So let me just rephrase that because the question may have\n16 been unclear. Within Hamilton, the entity, you don't know what\n17 account within Hamilton the funds are held, right, as opposed\n18 to the bank?\n19 A. Yeah, I only know the bank account information.\n20 Q. Right. Yes. Thank you. That was the distinction I was\n21 trying to draw. Thank you. And if we could go to page 15,\n22 please.\n23 This slide shows an internal transfer within signature\n24 bank, right, between one account for Hamilton to another\n25 account for Hamilton?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Cross\n1 A. Yes, it's a transfer between the two accounts.\n2 Q. Right. So this isn't actually money leaving Silvergate\n3 Bank, right, in the last arrow between the two bottom boxes?\n4 A. The last transfer is between Silvergate Bank to a\n5 Silvergate Bank account.\n6 Q. It's fair to call that an internal transfer, to not leaving\n7 the bank?\n8 A. Yes, that's fair.\n9 Q. And this happens on December 2, 2021, right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. And you don't know why, right?\n12 A. Correct.\n13 Q. And you don't know, for example, the funds were initially\n14 directed to the wrong account?\n15 A. I'm sorry. Could you repeat that.\n16 Q. You don't know if, for example, the funds were initially\n17 directed to the wrong account?\n18 A. I do not know that.\n19 Q. If we could please turn to slide 20. And you testified on\n20 direct a moment ago that this is a HUD-1 form, right?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Is this form a standard government form in the purchase and\n23 sale of real estate to your knowledge?\n24 A. I'm not sure whether it's a standard form or not.\n25 Q. Let's zoom in on the upper left. I believe it's D. This\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Cross\n1 is a little bit of an eye test here, but I think it's the first\n2 box on the upper left. And it says Taurus Fund LLC. You see\n3 that?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. And do you have experience with real estate transactions as\n6 part of your work as a forensic accountant for the FBI?\n7 A. I do.\n8 Q. And it's common, isn't it, in the purchase of higher-end\n9 real estate for the buyer to create an LLC to hold title?\n10 A. I don't know if it's common or not.\n11 Q. If we could zoom in on what is to the right of that E, and\n12 it's a little blurry, can you see there that the name of the\n13 seller appears to be Crocker Mansion Estate, LLC, a New Jersey\n14 Limited Liability company?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. And does that sort of indicate to you that the seller here\n17 too was an LLC?\n18 A. Yes, the seller here is an LLC.\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: No further questions at this time, your\n20 Honor.\n21 THE COURT: Redirect.\n22 MR. FINKEL: Nothing, your Honor. Thank you,\n23 Ms. Espinoza.\n24 THE COURT: You may step.\n25 (Witness excused)\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 THE COURT: The government may call its next witness.\n2 MS. MURRAY: Thank you, your Honor. The government\n3 calls Jamie Wilson.\n4 JAMIE WILSON,\n5 called as a witness by the Government,\n6 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:\n7 THE COURT: Please state your name and spell it.\n8 THE WITNESS: Jamie Wilson, J-A-M-I-E, Wilson is\n9 W-I-L-S-O-N.\n10 THE COURT: You may inquire.\n11 MS. MURRAY: Thank you, your Honor.\n12 DIRECT EXAMINATION\n13 BY MS. MURRAY:\n14 Q. Good afternoon, Ms. Wilson.\n15 A. Good afternoon.\n16 Q. Where are you employed?\n17 A. I'm employed at the Bank of Princeton.\n18 Q. What is your title?\n19 A. I am the BSA officer for the bank.\n20 Q. And what does BSA stand for?\n21 A. BSA stands for the Bank Secrecy Act.\n22 Q. When did you become a BSA officer?\n23 A. Four years ago.\n24 Q. What are your duties and responsibilities as a BSA officer?\n25 A. My duties are to protect the financial institution and our\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 financial industry from money laundering, terrorist financing,\n2 tax evasion.\n3 Q. Can you describe for the jury how, if at all, you monitor\n4 for your issues in the course of your BSA duties?\n5 A. Yes. We have different ways of monitoring. We have a\n6 system that alerts us when people's activity goes outside of\n7 what you would consider normal for a personal account or a\n8 business account. We have ways of contacting -- law\n9 enforcement can contact us through 314As. We have 314Bs which\n10 allows us to talk to other financial Constitutions. We have\n11 different monthly and weekly reports where we monitor wires,\n12 monetary instruments, any activity that comes in and out of a\n13 bank we monitor it.\n14 Q. And you mentioned the 314B program, can you explain in a\n15 bit more detail what that entails?\n16 A. So 314B program is -- not all financial institutions are\n17 involved in it, but if you sign up, it allows you to talk to\n18 another bank about customers that you both have the same\n19 customer.\n20 So if I was a customer of financial institution A, and\n21 financial institution B also, I was a customer of that\n22 institution, we could talk about the activity going through our\n23 accounts in reference to money laundering and possible\n24 terrorist financing.\n25 Q. And how, if at all, does the 314B information sharing\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 system assist you in doing your BSA monitoring?\n2 A. That helps us put the bigger picture together. So if we're\n3 unsure where activity is coming from or the original source or\n4 it or where it is going to, it allows us the capability of\n5 finding out where that money originated from, if it was coming\n6 into ours or where it was going, and what it was used for if it\n7 goes somewhere else.\n8 Q. Ms. Wilson, are you familiar with the term QualiFile?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. What is QualiFile?\n11 A. QualiFile is a report run on every individual in business\n12 that comes to a bank to open an account. And it's a checks\n13 systems report that every single bank runs, and it allows you\n14 to see if somebody has a charge off at another institution. So\n15 if they went in the negative at another bank, it would show us\n16 that they possibly owe that financial institution funds.\n17 Q. Are you familiar with the phrase OFAC?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. What does that stand for?\n20 A. OFAC is the Office of Foreign Asset Control, and OFAC sends\n21 out multiple different types of lists that some people may be\n22 blocked or sanctioned, and you cannot transact with those\n23 individuals or businesses.\n24 Q. How, if at all, are the OFAC list relevant to your duties\n25 and responsibilities as a BSA officer?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 A. If somebody hits the OFAC list, then we need to call OFAC\n2 which is part of the U.S. treasury, and either deny a\n3 transaction or potentially put it into a separate account and\n4 hold those funds.\n5 Q. Can you describe the average bank of Princeton customer\n6 profile?\n7 A. Yeah. The average bank of Princeton can be anybody from\n8 what I would consider a blue collar customer, so somebody\n9 possibly a mechanic or a military person to real estate agents\n10 or doctors offices.\n11 Q. And how many branches are there of Bank of Princeton?\n12 A. We have 26 branches.\n13 Q. Geographically speaking, where in the U.S. are those\n14 branches located?\n15 A. They're located mostly in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, and\n16 just recently a couple in the outskirts of the New York, not\n17 within a city, but mostly New Jersey and Pennsylvania.\n18 Q. Ms. Wilson, did there come a time when you conducted a BSA\n19 review of an account held in the name of Lamp Capital?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Approximately when was that?\n22 A. Around September of 2020.\n23 Q. What, if anything, do you recall about that customer?\n24 A. That customer came to us from a board member who met with a\n25 advisor and a financial advisor and a lawyer, and they were\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 introduced together to bring money to our financial institution\n2 because they considered us more of a family bank still over the\n3 larger institutions.\n4 Q. Do you recall the name of that advisor who referred the\n5 account?\n6 A. I believe the advisor -- Stephen Lawandy was the lawyer,\n7 and then Haitham Khaled was the advisor who brought the funds\n8 to us.\n9 Q. Who, if anyone, did the advisor say that he was working\n10 with in bringing the account to Bank of Princeton?\n11 MR. BARKAN: Objection, Hearsay.\n12 THE COURT: Sustained.\n13 Q. Do you recall whether there were any other individuals\n14 referenced in Lamp Capital?\n15 A. When Lamp Capital was open, the signer on the account was\n16 another lawyer. Once we researched that name, Daniel\n17 Podhaskie.\n18 Q. Ms. Wilson, when an account is open at Bank of Princeton,\n19 what information, if any, does the bank request of the\n20 potential customer?\n21 A. We request, when it's a business account, we need two forms\n22 of business identification. Usually it's an SS4 which is given\n23 from the IRS that has their EIN number. And a EIN number is\n24 kind of like a person's social security number for a business.\n25 And then the other document would be their certificate of\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 formation that's usually filed with the state, and all the IDs\n2 for the signers on the account.\n3 Q. And what, if anything, do you do with that information once\n4 you collect it?\n5 A. We review it to make sure that it is a legitimate document\n6 so that they actually did file with the IRS. They did file\n7 with the different states. We review that the signers match\n8 the business documents that are being opened, and that even the\n9 signers IDs are legitimate.\n10 Q. Did you conduct a BSA review of the Lamp Capital account?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. What, if anything, do you recall about that review?\n13 A. The beneficial owners, which we also do, is the ultimate\n14 owner of the business. We reviewed those documents. The\n15 opening documents, which the signer on the account wasn't the\n16 owner of the business, so that was a bit of a red flag to us.\n17 And they happen to be a lawyer, not the actual signers. And\n18 the signers and owners of the business on the UBO form, which\n19 is the Ultimate Beneficial Ownership form, they were an NRA,\n20 which is a non-resident alien, so not a U.S. citizen. Which\n21 doesn't make it bad, it just makes it a little higher risk for\n22 us as the bank.\n23 Q. I want to discus some of the characteristics of the Lamp\n24 Capital account based on your review. Do you recall the\n25 approximate dollar amount of that account?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 A. Yes. When they opened it, they brought in around 10\n2 million.\n3 Q. How, if at all, did that compare to the dollar amount in\n4 other Bank of Princeton customer accounts that you reviewed?\n5 MR. BARKAN: Objection, relevance.\n6 MS. MURRAY: It goes to the risk rating that\n7 Ms. Wilson was just speaking about.\n8 THE COURT: I'll allow the answer.\n9 A. Without having a loan at the institution, I've never seen\n10 that kind of money brought in to open an account before. It\n11 was higher than our average clientele.\n12 MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, there's a stipulation between\n13 the parties that I believe is in evidence. I'm going to\n14 confirm that. This is Government Exhibit Stip 14. It's a\n15 stipulation regarding bank records. And pursuant to this\n16 stipulation, at this time the government offers Government\n17 Exhibits GX-BOP-16, BOP-7, BOP-1, BOP-2, BOP-3, and BOP-4.\n18 THE COURT: Any objection?\n19 MR. BARKAN: No objection, your Honor.\n20 THE COURT: They are admitted.\n21 (Government's Exhibits BOP-16, BOP-7, BOP-1, BOP-2,\n22 BOP-3 and BOP-4 received in evidence)\n23 BY MS. MURRAY:\n24 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could please publish Government Exhibit\n25 BOP-16. Ms. Wilson, Bank of Princeton, is that institution\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 insured by any governing body?\n2 A. The FDIC.\n3 Q. Can you explain what the FDIC is?\n4 A. FDIC is the Federal Depository Institution, so they back\n5 our institution financially to cover the funds that are within\n6 our institution, and they also examine our bank to make sure\n7 we're in compliance at least every 18 months.\n8 Q. Ms. Loftus, we now have this up, if you could just flip\n9 through a few of the pages.\n10 Ms. Wilson, generally speaking do you recognize\n11 government exhibit BOP-16?\n12 A. Yes, this is the account agreement, the opening documents.\n13 Q. If we could go to the first page, Ms. Loftus.\n14 For what account?\n15 A. This is for Lamp Capital.\n16 Q. If we could zoom in all the way across the page, the top\n17 portion, please.\n18 Looking at the top right, Ms. Wilson, what is the date\n19 of this account agreement for Lamp Capital?\n20 A. September 10, 2020.\n21 Q. And over on the left a little bit below, what's the name of\n22 the signer?\n23 A. Daniel Podhaskie.\n24 Q. And under that there's the name Lamp Capital again, what is\n25 the text that's listed in the box below Lamp Capital?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 A. The newly established company.\n2 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could go to page 10, please.\n3 What is this document, Ms. Wilson?\n4 A. This is the beneficial ownership document that shows that\n5 the ultimate beneficial owners of the business.\n6 Q. Who, if anyone, completes this document?\n7 Who provides the information reflected in this\n8 document?\n9 A. The person opening the account.\n10 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could zoom in please on the top portion\n11 through to the first table.\n12 Ms. Wilson, what's the name of the person opening this\n13 account?\n14 A. Daniel Podhaskie.\n15 Q. And in B, the legal entity for this account?\n16 A. Lamp Capital.\n17 Q. Looking at section C, what is the name listed as the\n18 ultimate beneficial owner of Lamp Capital?\n19 A. Qiang Guo.\n20 Q. Can you spell that?\n21 A. Q-I-A-N-G, last name is, G-U-O.\n22 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could zoom in. What is the address\n23 associated with Qiang Guo on this document?\n24 A. It's 781 or 761 5th Avenue, New York, New York 10002.\n25 Q. What type of passport does this individual hold according\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 to this document?\n2 A. A Hong Kong passport.\n3 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we go to page 15, please.\n4 Ms. Wilson, what type of document is this?\n5 A. This is their limited liability company agreement, so it's\n6 a business document.\n7 Q. Why, if at all, does the Bank of Princeton collect business\n8 documents in the course of account openings?\n9 A. To validate the business itself that it was formed, and\n10 within the businesses usually it tells you what type of\n11 business it is, who the signers of the business are.\n12 Q. What, if anything, do you look for in the course of your\n13 BSA review in collecting corporate documents like this?\n14 A. When we collect corporate documents, we like to see when\n15 they were actually incorporated, who the signers are, what type\n16 of business they are, anyone related to the business, where\n17 they're located, where they actually registered of the\n18 business.\n19 Q. If we could focus on the top portion here, Ms. Loftus.\n20 What is the date based on this limited liability\n21 company agreement that Lamp Capital was created?\n22 A. The 8th day of September 2020.\n23 Q. And what entity is listed as the sole member of that\n24 company?\n25 A. Infinity Treasury Management, Inc.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could just briefly go back to page one,\n2 please.\n3 Ms. Wilson, what was the date that Daniel Podhaskie\n4 applied to open this bank account in the name of Lamp Capital?\n5 A. September 10, 2020.\n6 Q. Ms. Loftus, let's go back to page 19, please, just the\n7 bottom of that corporate document.\n8 Ms. Wilson, who signed the limited liability company\n9 agreement on behalf of Infinity Treasury Management?\n10 A. Daniel Podhaskie.\n11 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we go to page 33 now, please.\n12 What is this, Ms. Wilson?\n13 A. That's the QualiFile report, the check systems report.\n14 Q. Can you describe what information is reflected on a\n15 QualiFile response?\n16 A. So this is a report that's run on every business or\n17 individual opening an account, and that's run by every single\n18 bank. So when we look at this it's telling us, kind of gives\n19 you a suggestion whether to open or deny the account. And if\n20 somebody had recently opened accounts at other institutions or\n21 had charge offs at other institutions, we would be able to see\n22 it here.\n23 Q. Can we go to the next page, please, Ms. Loftus. And if you\n24 could focus in on inquiry details down to the end of details\n25 two.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 If you could just explain a little bit of what\n2 information is on this report, Ms. Wilson?\n3 A. Yeah. So that's where you can see where it says 8/30/2020,\n4 Daniel Podhaskie had also gone to NexBank to inquire and open\n5 an account. So he got through the process of opening the\n6 account with their institution, whether they actually opened it\n7 or not, they probably did if they ran him. And then again you\n8 have Santander bank on 9/15/2020. He also went to that\n9 institution to inquire and open an account.\n10 Q. We can take that down, Ms. Loftus. Thank you.\n11 Were any Lamp Capital accounts opened at Bank of\n12 Princeton?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Did there come a time when the Lamp Capital signer opened\n15 another account at Bank of Princeton?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. What was the name on that account?\n18 A. Greenwich Land.\n19 Q. Approximately when was that Greenwich Land account opened?\n20 A. That was also September of 2020.\n21 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could please publish what's in evidence\n22 as Government Exhibit BOP-7.\n23 Ms. Wilson, what is this document?\n24 A. That's the opening documents, the account agreement.\n25 Q. If we could focus on the top portion all the way across the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 top please, Ms. Loftus.\n2 What is the date of this account opening document?\n3 A. 9/23/2020.\n4 Q. And looking at the right, the account title and the\n5 individual associated with this account?\n6 A. Greenwich Land, LLC and Daniel Podhaskie.\n7 Q. And then looking over on the left under owner/signer\n8 information, what is listed as the occupation for Daniel\n9 Podhaskie?\n10 A. Attorney.\n11 Q. If we could go to page three, please, Ms. Loftus.\n12 Ms. Wilson, again, what is this type of document?\n13 A. That's the Ultimate Beneficial Ownership document.\n14 Q. If we could focus on the top portion, Ms. Loftus.\n15 In the table in item C, Ms. Wilson, who is listed here\n16 as the beneficial owner of the Greenwich Land?\n17 A. Hing Chi Ngok.\n18 Q. All right. Ms. Loftus, if we could go to page eight,\n19 please.\n20 What type of record is this, Ms. Wilson?\n21 A. That's the resolution for the business, and anybody opening\n22 the account are going to have authority over the account signs\n23 this.\n24 Q. Zoom out of that, Ms. Loftus, and go to the next page, the\n25 next page, and the next page. If we could focus on the top\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 portion. On what date was this limited liability company\n2 established?\n3 A. This was signed September 22, 2020.\n4 Q. And who signed on behalf of the company?\n5 A. Daniel Podhaskie.\n6 Q. So that's September 22, 2020.\n7 Ms. Loftus, can we go back to page one, please.\n8 What was the date that Daniel Podhaskie applied for\n9 the Greenwich Land bank account at Bank of Princeton?\n10 A. September 23, 2020.\n11 Q. Let's go to page 17, please, Ms. Loftus.\n12 Ms. Wilson, is this the QualiFile response for the\n13 Greenwich Land account?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. And going to the next page, page 18, if we could zoom in on\n16 the text here.\n17 How many inquiries were there that were relevant to\n18 the Greenwich Land bank account?\n19 A. Four.\n20 Q. And can you read the dates and the banks that were\n21 associated with those inquiries?\n22 A. NexBank, Santander Bank, Signature Bank and the Bank of\n23 Princeton.\n24 Q. Can you explain why, if at all, Bank of Princeton would\n25 appear on its own QualiFile response?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 A. They ran his name through QualiFile on 9/16 also, and then\n2 was running it again on 9/23.\n3 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we go to page 23, please.\n4 What is this, Ms. Wilson?\n5 A. That's a new account check list that the branches fill out\n6 for the businesses to make sure that we have everything, as far\n7 as BSA goes and legal wise goes so we have the proper documents\n8 for businesses and individuals.\n9 Q. If we can go to the next page, please, Ms. Loftus. Looking\n10 about halfway down the page in bold, there's an, If other\n11 field, if we could zoom in on that.\n12 Ms. Wilson, what information does this form reflect\n13 about the type of business that Greenwich Land was?\n14 A. Capitol management.\n15 Q. All right. Ms. Loftus, we can take that down.\n16 Ms. Wilson, in the course of your duties as a BSA\n17 officer, did you monitor the Lamp Capital and the Greenwich\n18 Land accounts after they were opened?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. What, if anything, did you observe about the activity in\n21 those accounts?\n22 A. The activity coming in both accounts were funded with a\n23 higher than normal amount of money than I've seen at the Bank\n24 of Princeton in my 11 years there. And then the money that\n25 started going out of the accounts were not really in line with\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 what we thought a capital management or a real estate business\n2 should, or wasn't in line of what I've seen or would be typical\n3 for that type of business.\n4 Q. What type of activity did you observe that in your opinion\n5 wasn't in line with typical activity?\n6 A. The funds going out, there were two large checks to the\n7 beneficial owners, one from each of the businesses to the\n8 beneficial owners of those businesses. They went to car\n9 dealerships, wineries, a yacht, not in line with just that\n10 business.\n11 MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, pursuant to the stipulation\n12 GX-Stip 14, I also offer Government Exhibit GX-BOP-12 and\n13 GX-BOP-10.\n14 THE COURT: No objection.\n15 MR. BARKAN: No objection your Honor.\n16 THE COURT: They are admitted.\n17 (Government's Exhibits BOP-12 and BOP-10 received in\n18 evidence)\n19 BY MS. MURRAY:\n20 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we can please publish GX-BOP-12.\n21 Ms. Wilson, while we're pulling that up, did you\n22 observe any OFAC hits in the Greenwich Land or the Lamp Capital\n23 accounts?\n24 A. No OFAC matches.\n25 Q. Ms. Wilson, what is this?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 A. That's a bank statement.\n2 Q. Looking at the top, for what account is the bank statement?\n3 A. For Lamp Capital, LLC.\n4 Q. And the statement ending date on the top right?\n5 A. 10/30/020.\n6 Q. If we could focus on the summary of accounts down to the\n7 bottom of the page, please, Ms. Loftus.\n8 Looking at the summary of accounts, Ms. Wilson, what\n9 was the ending balance for this pay period for this Lamp\n10 Capital statement?\n11 A. $4,230,400.\n12 Q. And I want to look at a view of the different transactions\n13 that are reflected here. Under other credits the second entry\n14 there, what is the date of that incoming wire?\n15 A. 10/15/2020.\n16 Q. From a bank account held in the name of what entity?\n17 A. Savio Law, LLC.\n18 Q. And the amount of that incoming wire into the Lamp Capital\n19 account?\n20 A. Five million.\n21 Q. And if we could go to page three please, Ms. Loftus.\n22 Focus in on the content on the top. Looking at the\n23 third item here, Ms. Loftus, what is the date of that outgoing\n24 wire?\n25 A. 10/29/2020.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 Q. Where does it go?\n2 A. Moran Yacht Management, Inc.\n3 Q. What is the dollar amount of that outgoing wire from the\n4 Lamp Capital account?\n5 A. $272,525.\n6 Q. Ms. Loftus, we can take that down, and let's put up\n7 Government Exhibit BOP-10, please.\n8 What is this, Ms. Wilson?\n9 A. It's another bank statement.\n10 Q. For what account?\n11 A. Greenwich Land.\n12 Q. And what is the statement sending date?\n13 A. 10/30/2020.\n14 Q. Again, if we could focus in here on the top portion from\n15 summary of accounts through to the bottom.\n16 What was the ending balance in the Greenwich Land\n17 account on October 30, 2020?\n18 A. Almost 10 million.\n19 Q. And looking at the incoming wires listed here, if we could\n20 just take them one at a time, the three of those incoming\n21 wires, the date, where it came from, and the dollar amount?\n22 A. Yep, 10/15/2020, there's an incoming wire from Savio Law,\n23 LLC for five million.\n24 On 10/21/2020, there's an incoming wire from ACA\n25 Capital Group, LTD for $999,893.22, and on 10/23/2020, another\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 incoming wire from ACA Capital Group for almost four million.\n2 Q. And then if we could look at the bottom of this portion\n3 other debits, the second to the last debit reflected there, if\n4 you could read that for, that's October 26?\n5 A. An outgoing wire to Sherry-Lehman, Inc. for 32,220.\n6 Q. Do you know what type of company or business Sherry-Lehman,\n7 Inc. is?\n8 A. I don't remember exactly what their business was.\n9 Q. If we could take that down, Ms. Loftus, and show the\n10 witness what's marked as Government Exhibit BOP-40.\n11 Ms. Wilson, do you recognize this?\n12 A. That's an email.\n13 Q. If we could scroll through the pages, Ms. Loftus.\n14 Have you seen this email before, Ms. Wilson?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. Did you receive this email?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, the government offers\n19 Government Exhibit BOP-40.\n20 MR. BARKAN: No objection, your Honor.\n21 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n22 (Government's Exhibit BOP-40 received in evidence)\n23 MS. MURRAY: And we can publish that.\n24 Q. Starting at the top, and then we'll kind of work our way\n25 through the chain, Ms. Wilson. What is the date of the top\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 portion of this email chain?\n2 A. December 18, 2020.\n3 Q. And this is an email from you to whom?\n4 A. From me to my assistant BSA officer.\n5 Q. What is the subject of the full email chain here?\n6 A. Incoming wires for Greenwich Land.\n7 Q. And there's an attachment to this email, what is the title\n8 of that attachment?\n9 A. Loan agreement ACA verse Greenwich need to sign PDF.\n10 Q. Let's go to page three, Ms. Loftus.\n11 Focusing on the email that begins about a third of the\n12 way down of the page, who is Miriam Colon?\n13 A. She was the branch manager for our New Brunswick office.\n14 Q. What is the date of this outgoing email from Miriam Colon?\n15 A. November 19, 2020.\n16 Q. Who is it sent to?\n17 A. Haitham Khaled and Daniel Podhaskie.\n18 Q. What's the domain name of the email address for Haitham\n19 Khaled?\n20 A. Crane Advisory Group.\n21 Q. Do you know what Crane Advisory Group is?\n22 A. That was the investment advisory firm that he worked for.\n23 Q. And what about the email domain for Daniel Podhaskie?\n24 A. It was Lamp Capital.\n25 Q. So if you could read just the first two lines of this email\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 from Miriam Colon, actually the first three lines of the email?\n2 A. Good morning, gentlemen. Hope your day is going well. My\n3 compliance department is conducting a retrospective review of\n4 this payment.\n5 Q. Now there's text that's in black and there's text that's in\n6 red. Do you see that?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. If we could zoom out, Ms. Loftus, and go up just a few\n9 pages, and look at the bottom of this first page. If we could\n10 zoom in, Ms. Loftus.\n11 Who is this email from?\n12 A. That's from Daniel Podhaskie.\n13 Q. On what date?\n14 A. On December 2, 2020.\n15 Q. Who does he send it to?\n16 A. To Miriam Colon the branch manager and copied Haitham\n17 Khaled.\n18 Q. And the content of this email reads, Hi, Miriam. I have\n19 put the requested information below in red, and the requested\n20 supporting documentation is attached. Do you see that?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Let's go back to page three, please, Ms. Loftus. I'd to\n23 zoom in on that email.\n24 Ms. Wilson, what information was Bank of Princeton\n25 requesting from Lamp Capital in item one here?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 A. We were trying to find out ACA Capital Group's business\n2 activities, their contact information, their physical address,\n3 phone number, so who ACA Capital was and more information about\n4 that business.\n5 Q. Why, if at all, were you requesting additional information\n6 about that business?\n7 A. Because they had sent a high amount of funds into the Bank\n8 of Princeton to a new client of ours.\n9 Q. And looking at item two here, the request from Miriam Colon\n10 is, Please provide organization structure chart for ACA Capital\n11 Group Limited, and indicate beneficial owners.\n12 What was the response from Lamp Capital to that\n13 request?\n14 A. They were not in possession of that information.\n15 Q. Looking at item three where the Bank of Princeton request\n16 the industry that Greenwich Land is operating, and additional\n17 identifying details. Can you read the text in red which is the\n18 response from Greenwich Land?\n19 A. Greenwich Land is a real estate holding company\n20 incorporated for the purpose of owning and managing real estate\n21 assets. The physical address is 667 Madison Avenue, 5th floor,\n22 New York, New York 10065. It's a privately owned entity that\n23 is not marketing to the public, and therefore does not current\n24 have a website. The phone number is 917-225-8178. The email\n25 address is DanielP@LampCapital.org. Greenwich Land's beneficial\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 owner is Hing Chi Ngok.\n2 Q. And then in item four which request the relationship\n3 between ACA Capital Group and the beneficiary Greenwich Land,\n4 LLC, what is the response from the customer there?\n5 A. ACA is a lender and Greenwich Land is the borrower.\n6 Q. If we can zoom out, Ms. Loftus, and focus on the response\n7 for five into the next page. So detail purpose down through\n8 the end.\n9 Ms. Wilson, Miriam Colon's requests the purpose of the\n10 following payments. On 10/20/2020, a payment in the amount of\n11 $999,913.22. Is that the payment we just looked at that was\n12 reflected in the account statement?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And the second payment that Miriam colon is requesting\n15 information for, what payment is that?\n16 A. On 10/22/2020 in the amount of $3,999,935. That was another\n17 payment from ACA that we just saw on the statement.\n18 Q. And looking then further down the email, the bank request\n19 documentation, what response does Greenwich Land give in\n20 response to that request?\n21 A. Both transactions are part of a loan agreement. Please see\n22 attached loan agreement.\n23 Q. Now, the bank request the information within 14 days. Do\n24 you see that?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 Q. Ms. Loftus, let's look again at what the date was of the\n2 request was of Ms. Colon?\n3 A. November 19, 2020.\n4 Q. And we can zoom out and just scroll up the chain. Stop\n5 there for a moment so we can see this email.\n6 On November 24, 2020, there's an outgoing email from\n7 Miriam Colon, what does that email say?\n8 A. Following up. Hope your day is going well. Please see\n9 email sent on November 18. I need to respond to my compliance\n10 department on this. Can you please provide information\n11 requested.\n12 Q. And we can zoom out, Ms. Loftus, and go up again.\n13 On what date does Daniel Podhaskie respond to Miriam\n14 Colon?\n15 A. On the 24th he said, Thanks for following up. We'll get\n16 back shortly.\n17 Q. And then what happens on December 1, 2020?\n18 A. She requested a follow-up again.\n19 Q. And scroll up please, Ms. Loftus.\n20 And then looking here at the bottom of page one, on\n21 what date does Daniel Podhaskie provide the requested\n22 information?\n23 A. December 2nd.\n24 Q. If we could look at the top of this page please, Ms.\n25 Loftus. In particular the email that you write Ms. Wilson.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 What do you write in your email here?\n2 A. This is for Greenwich Land and the relationship between ACA\n3 Capital. These are the answers we received from the customer.\n4 I wanted to follow-up on the information. We could go over it\n5 on Monday when I got back with my assistant.\n6 Q. We can zoom out, and let's look at the attachment to this\n7 email, Ms. Loftus. It's a few pages down. If we could zoom in\n8 on the top portion here.\n9 Ms. Wilson, is this a document that Daniel Podhaskie\n10 provided to the bank in response to its inquiry?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. What is the title of this document?\n13 A. Loan agreement.\n14 Q. What is the date of the agreement?\n15 A. October 16, 2020.\n16 Q. And who are the parties, looking first at party one?\n17 A. ACA Capital Group and Greenwich Land, LLC.\n18 Q. Let's zoom out, please, Ms. Loftus. And focus on the loan\n19 which is item two here.\n20 Ms. Wilson, in the first sentence of this paragraph,\n21 what is the loan amount for this loan agreement?\n22 A. Five million.\n23 Q. We can zoom out again, Ms. Loftus. Can we scroll down,\n24 please. Is there one more page or is that the end? We can\n25 zoom in on the signature lines, please.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 What entity is listed as signing on behalf of ACA\n2 Capital Group Limited?\n3 A. Celestial Tide Limited.\n4 Q. And how is Celestial Tide Limited described?\n5 A. The director of ACA Capital Group Limited.\n6 Q. All right. Ms. Loftus, we can take that down.\n7 Ms. Wilson, did there come a time when a company\n8 called G/Club Operations applied to open an account at Bank of\n9 Princeton?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Approximately when was that?\n12 A. That was at the end of September beginning of October.\n13 Q. Of what year?\n14 A. 2020.\n15 Q. How, if at all, did you become aware of that account\n16 application?\n17 A. They were also brought to us from the same investment\n18 advisor.\n19 Q. Did you conduct a BSA review of that account?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. What, if anything, do you recall about the G/Club account\n22 opening materials?\n23 A. The opening documents they had formed them in Puerto Rico,\n24 the business formation was in Puerto Rico, and they had an\n25 address listed in Puerto Rico and in New York. They had their\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 SS4, but none of the signers that were going to be on the\n2 business account were on the business formation documents, and\n3 the beneficial open was a non-resident alien.\n4 Q. You said SS4, what does that refer to?\n5 A. SS4 is their EIN number. So it's a letter from the IRS\n6 assigning an EIN number to the business, such as you get your\n7 social security number. That's their sole identifier.\n8 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we please publish Government Exhibit BOP-1.\n9 Ms. Wilson, is this the account agreement for that\n10 account you just mentioned G/Club Operations?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Can we focus on the top portion, Ms. Loftus, on the left\n13 side. What is the full name of the institution for this\n14 account?\n15 A. G/Club Operations, LLC.\n16 Q. And what is the address listed for G/Club Operations, LLC?\n17 A. 590 Madison Avenue, 21st floor, New York, New York 10022.\n18 Q. Now there's a handwritten annotation under that address.\n19 Do you see that?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. What does it say?\n22 A. Correct address.\n23 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we can please pull up alongside this what's\n24 in evidence as Government Exhibit SW-2009. If we could zoom in\n25 on the top portion from through to the address that's listed\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 there as center.\n2 Ms. Wilson, do you see to whom this email on the right\n3 side was sent?\n4 A. HaithamK@CraneAdvisoryGroup.com.\n5 Q. To whom is it address?\n6 A. To Yvette Wang.\n7 Q. And looking on the right there, there's a field called\n8 center. Do you see that?\n9 A. I'm sorry. Say that again.\n10 Q. Sure. There's transaction for the value. There are a few\n11 fields under transaction details. What is listed under center?\n12 A. New York, New York, City, 590 Madison Ave, 590 Madison Ave,\n13 New York City 10022.\n14 Q. And two lines down, what is the authorization date\n15 associated with that transaction?\n16 A. October 14, 2020.\n17 Q. Keeping that up, Ms. Loftus, looking on the left at the\n18 Bank of Princeton account agreement for G/Club Operations, if\n19 we could focus on the owner/signer information there.\n20 Who is listed as the owner/signer of this account?\n21 A. Yvette Wang.\n22 Q. And the address that we just went over on the top here\n23 that's listed, is that the same address that's listed on the\n24 document on the right?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 Q. If we could zoom out of that, Ms. Loftus, and we'll just\n2 focus again on BOP-1. We can take down SW-2009. Let's go to\n3 page three, please, focus on the top portion. Actually, all\n4 the way down to the bottom of the text here. This is on the\n5 bottom right.\n6 Ms. Wilson, what is the date the account was opened?\n7 A. 10/30/2020.\n8 Q. On the top left, what is the name of the second signer on\n9 this account?\n10 A. Alex Hadjicharalambous.\n11 Q. And what is Alex Hadjicharalambous' occupation listed as\n12 here?\n13 A. Comptroller.\n14 Q. Let's go to page eight, please, Ms. Loftus.\n15 Again, Ms. Wilson, what type of document is this?\n16 A. That's the limited liability company authorization\n17 resolution.\n18 Q. And looking here, for what company?\n19 A. For G/Club Operations.\n20 Q. And what is the address listed for G/Club Operations on\n21 this corporate document?\n22 A. 590 Madison Avenue, 21st Floor New York, New York 10022.\n23 Q. And do you see the two signers here on the account?\n24 A. Yvette Wang and Alex H.\n25 Q. Are those the same signers who were listed above in the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 account opening documentation?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Let's go to page 13, please. If we could focus, Ms.\n4 Loftus, on that portion down to the bottom.\n5 What is the name of this scanned passport?\n6 A. Yanping Wang.\n7 Q. And what is the issuing country of this passport?\n8 A. China.\n9 Q. And then if we could focus on the handwritten information\n10 on the bottom here, Ms. Loftus.\n11 What does that say, Ms. Wilson?\n12 A. Second form of ID, occupation manager.\n13 Q. Let's go to the next page, page 14.\n14 What is this an image of, Ms. Wilson?\n15 A. A credit card.\n16 Q. Why, if at all, would Bank of Princeton collect a scan of a\n17 credit card in connection with an account opening?\n18 A. That can be used as a second form of ID for an individual.\n19 Q. And what is the individual's name listed on this credit\n20 card?\n21 A. Golden Spring, New York. And it's Yanping Wang.\n22 Q. Let's go to page 21, please.\n23 Again, Ms. Wilson, is this the beneficial owner\n24 certification for the G/Club Operation's account?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 Q. And looking through to the table, the person opening the\n2 account listed as Alex H, correct?\n3 A. Correct.\n4 Q. And then the name and address of the legal entity is the\n5 same as we've been looking at in the account opening\n6 documentation?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. What is the name of the ultimate beneficial owner of\n9 G/Clubs according to this document?\n10 A. He, Haoran.\n11 Q. Can you spell that?\n12 A. H-E, last name is, H-A-O-R-A-N.\n13 Q. And looking at the address field, can you read that\n14 address?\n15 A. 79 East Works Drive Cofton, Hackett, UK.\n16 Q. At the bottom if we could focus on the portion through --\n17 to the date.\n18 What date was this form submitted?\n19 A. October 29, 2020.\n20 Q. And this is a corporate document for G/Clubs that was\n21 provided to Bank of Princeton; is that correct?\n22 A. Yes, this is a form the bank gives them to fill out to\n23 explain who their beneficial owners are.\n24 Q. And, Ms. Loftus, if we can go to page 25.\n25 Ms. Wilson, what type of document is this?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 A. This is a certificate of organization for the business for\n2 G/Club.\n3 Q. Looking at this, where was G/Club organized?\n4 A. Puerto Rico.\n5 Q. And on what date?\n6 A. October 7, 2020.\n7 THE COURT: All righty. It's now 3 p.m., so our work\n8 has come to an end for the day. Members of the jury, remember\n9 that you're not allowed to discuss the case amongst yourselves\n10 or with anyone else. Don't permit anyone to discuss the case\n11 in your presence. Don't read, watch, or listen to anything\n12 from any source about anything having to do with the subject\n13 matter of this trial. Have a good evening. I'll see you ready\n14 to come into the courtroom tomorrow at 9:30. Thank you.\n15 THE LAW CLERK: Jury exiting.\n16 (Jury not present)\n17 THE COURT: You may step out. Don't discuss your\n18 testimony.\n19 (Witness temporarily excused)\n20 (Continued on next page)\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- Direct\n1 (Jury not present)\n2 THE COURT: Please be seated. Who do we expect to\n3 testify tomorrow?\n4 MS. MURRAY: So we'll be continuing with Ms. Wilson\n5 and then we will have Sam Roberts who is a Bitgo employee that\n6 we discussed earlier, and then Bo Collins. And with respect to\n7 Mr. Collins, we don't anticipate that we will get past his\n8 direct examination tomorrow. But with respect to the issue we\n9 had flagged this morning on the documents, we've spoken with\n10 defense counsel. And our proposal, if it's acceptable to the\n11 Court, in the very unlikely event that we did complete his\n12 direct examination tomorrow, we would request to then adjourn\n13 for the day to give the defense the benefit of the weekend to\n14 prepare his cross. Again, I think it's extremely unlikely that\n15 will be the timeline. I suspect he will still be on direct\n16 when the day ends.\n17 THE COURT: Anything else?\n18 MS. MURRAY: Nothing from the government.\n19 THE COURT: All righty. Thank you. Please have the\n20 witness on the stand at 9:29 tomorrow. Have a good evening.\n21 (Adjourned to June 14, 2024 at 9:00 a.m.)\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 INDEX OF EXAMINATION\n2 Examination of: Page\n3 MINRAN WU\n4 Direct By Mr. Fergenson . . . . . . . . . . .2393\n5 Cross By Mr. Schirick . . . . . . . . . . . .2431\n6 Redirect By Mr. Fergenson . . . . . . . . . .2499\n7 Recross By Mr. Schirick . . . . . . . . . . .2506\n8 Redirect By Mr. Fergenson . . . . . . . . . .2513\n9 KIMBERLY ESPINOZA\n10 Direct By Mr. Finkel . . . . . . . . . . . . .2514\n11 Cross By Mr. Schirick . . . . . . . . . . . .2530\n12 JAMIE WILSON\n13 Direct By Ms. Murray . . . . . . . . . . . . .2536\n14 GOVERNMENT EXHIBITS\n15 Exhibit No. Received\n16 VNB1-3, IDB1, IDB3, IDB4, IDB7, SIG1, . . . .2515\n17 SIL4, SIL3, SIL40\n18 CAP623 and CAP624 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2516\n19 BOP-16, BOP-7, BOP-1, BOP-2, BOP-3 and . . .2542\n20 BOP-4\n21 BOP-12 and BOP-10 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2551\n22 VN-12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2413\n23 Z12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2517\n24 VN13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2410\n25 VN-37 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2420\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 VN39 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2394\n2 BOP-40 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2554\n3 BR451 and BR452 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2515\n4 DEFENDANT EXHIBITS\n5 Exhibit No. Received\n6 7003 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2509\n7\n8\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300","body_zh":"O6D1GUO1\nUNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT（美国联邦地区法院）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK（纽约南区）\n------------------------------x\nUNITED STATES OF AMERICA（美利坚合众国）\n\n诉 23 Cr. 118 (AT)\n\nMILES GUO（郭文贵），\n\n被告。 庭审\n------------------------------x\n纽约州纽约市\n2024年6月13日\n上午9:00\n\n审理法官：\n\nHON. ANALISA TORRES（阿娜丽莎·托雷斯阁下），\n地区法院法官\n——以及陪审团——\n\n出庭人员\n\nDAMIAN WILLIAMS（达米安·威廉姆斯）\nUnited States Attorney for the Southern District of New York（纽约南区联邦检察官）\n代表方：MICAH F. FERGENSON（米卡·F·弗根森）\nRYAN B. FINKEL（瑞安·B·芬克尔）\nJUSTIN HORTON（贾斯汀·霍顿）\nJULIANA N. MURRAY（朱莉安娜·N·默里）\nAssistant United States Attorneys（助理联邦检察官）\n\nSABRINA P. SHROFF（萨布丽娜·P·施罗夫）\n被告律师\n\nPRYOR CASHMAN LLP（普赖尔·卡什曼律师事务所）\n被告律师\n代表方：SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU（西达尔塔·卡马拉朱）\nMATTHEW BARKAN（马修·巴尔坎）\n\nALSTON & BIRD LLP（奥斯顿与伯德律师事务所）\n被告律师\n代表方：E. SCOTT SCHIRICK（E·斯科特·席里克）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n其他在场人员：\nIsabel Loftus（伊莎贝尔·洛夫特斯），USAO（联邦检察官办公室）律师助理专员\nRuben Montilla（鲁本·蒙蒂拉），辩方律师助理\nTuo Huang（黄拓），普通话口译员\nShi Feng（冯实），普通话口译员\nYu Mark Tang（唐玉），普通话口译员\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n（庭审恢复；陪审团未到庭）\n\n法庭：早上好。\n\n弗根森先生：早上好。\n\n法庭：请双方出庭律师报告身份。\n\n弗根森先生：法官阁下，早上好。米卡·弗根森、朱莉安娜·默里、贾斯汀·霍顿代表政府方出庭；我们的律师助理伊莎贝尔·洛夫特斯也一同在座。\n\n席里克先生：法官阁下，早上好。斯科特·席里克、萨布丽娜·施罗夫和马特·巴尔坎代表郭先生出庭，郭先生本人也在律师席就座。\n\n法庭：请就座。\n\n在2024年6月12日的信函中，政府方表示将传唤Samuel Roberts（塞缪尔·罗伯茨），他是Bitgo公司的金融情报主管，该公司曾“向Himalaya Exchange（喜马拉雅交易所）提供某些服务”。政府方预计罗伯茨先生将就“他参与Bitgo对与喜马拉雅交易所之间业务关系的审查”作证。具体而言，Bitgo进行了两次审查——一次是2021年开始与该交易所建立业务关系时的初步尽职调查，另一次是在收到与该交易所相关的传票后进行的“更为深入的”审查。作为第二次审查的一部分，罗伯茨先生与交易所代表进行了沟通，“评估了喜马拉雅交易所提供的信息以及来自公开渠道的信息”，并建议Bitgo终止与该交易所的关系。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n在2024年6月12日的信函中，辩方表示“罗伯茨先生预期证词中关于其收集的事实信息的某些部分可能具有可采性”。然而，辩方请求阻止政府方诱导罗伯茨先生就Himalaya Coin（喜币）和Himalaya Dollar（喜美元）是否属于加密货币、喜马拉雅交易所是否属于加密货币交易所，以及喜币、喜美元和喜马拉雅交易所的设计/功能发表意见。\n\n今天清晨，政府方提交了一份答复，表示无意“询问罗伯茨关于喜币和喜美元是否为加密货币，或喜马拉雅交易所是否为加密货币交易所的意见”。相反，政府方表明“罗伯茨将就他观察到的情况、交易所告知他的内容，以及这些信息如何影响他所进行的审查并促使他提出Bitgo终止与该交易所关系的建议作证”。\n\n就双方之间仍存在的争议范围而言，法庭同意被告的观点，即喜币和喜美元是否属于加密货币以及喜马拉雅交易所是否属于加密货币交易所，属于Rule 702（《联邦证据规则》第702条）含义范围内需要“科学、技术或其他专业知识”的问题。事实上，双方均已发出专家证人通知，拟就这两个问题发表意见。相比之下，罗伯茨先生并未作为专家证人被通知。因此，政府方不得诱导他就这两个主题发表意见。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n法庭不会宽泛地排除罗伯茨先生关于喜币、喜美元以及喜马拉雅交易所的设计与功能的证词。他可以说明他是基于自己的调查结果建议Bitgo终止合作关系的，但他不得提供有关加密货币特征的一般性信息，也不得就喜币、喜美元是否为加密货币以及该交易所是否为加密货币交易所发表意见。\n\n还有其他事项吗？\n\n弗根森先生：法官阁下，政府方有一件事项。\n\n我们只是想——我们想提醒法庭注意，以便法庭知悉。我们正在与辩方积极讨论此事。但我们想让法庭知道——\n\n退一步讲，交代一下背景，政府方——本周通知的政府方证人之一是Beau Collins（博·柯林斯）。他曾是Mercantile Bank（商业银行）的首席执行官。向法官阁下简要提示一下背景，商业银行曾是——我想您可以称之为数字银行。它是一家波多黎各金融机构，Hamilton（汉密尔顿公司，即William Je（余建明）名下的实体）原计划对其进行收购。就在该收购完成前不久，政府方对汉密尔顿公司的银行账户执行了扣押令。那就是最终扣押的大约6亿美元左右的资金。柯林斯先生是商业银行的首席执行官。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n政府方原本打算传唤他作证，大意是喜马拉雅交易所曾是商业银行的客户并在该行开有银行账户。政府方打算传唤他作证说明该业务关系、拟议中的收购，以及最终导致收购中止的资金扣押情况。\n\n收购中止后，商业银行与汉密尔顿公司之间进行了仲裁，据我理解，是基于买卖协议中的合同争议进行的民间仲裁。这在仲裁中进行了审理。我认为商业银行赢得了仲裁，最终在S.D.N.Y.（纽约南区联邦地区法院）申请了仲——我不知道确切术语——仲裁裁决的确认。我不确定该案目前的进展状态，但仲裁已经结束了。\n\n我们在4月中旬收到——我们提出请求后于4月中旬收到了商业银行交付的文件——今年4月中旬。那是针对我们索取柯林斯先生在仲裁中所作任何证词的请求而交付的。我们了解到他曾作证。我们从商业银行收到了——法官阁下，我想您可以称之为仲裁卷宗。经快速审查，这似乎是双方在仲裁中提交的文件、双方在仲裁过程中往来的一些通信或证据开示材料、仲裁裁决书，以及仲裁的听证会笔录。我想那是为期两天的听证会。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n那批交付材料——今年4月中旬收到的交付材料——被错误地遗漏，未向辩方交付。我们昨晚才得知此事。我们立即将其交付给了辩方。在上传的同时，政府方以最快速度浏览了这批交付材料，以了解其中的内容。这就是，您知道的，我所理解的——基于此，我对这些内容的理解就是这样。我们标记了我们认为与柯林斯先生最相关的部分，即他的——我相信在仲裁中他们是通过宣誓书进行主询问证词的，然后在听证会上接受交叉询问。因此我们标记了他的宣誓书、我们看到的其他商业银行员工的宣誓书，并且我们标记了听证会笔录，也就是它们的Bates（贝茨编码）编号，法官阁下。遗憾的是，页数非常庞大。大约有16,000页。据我理解，大约是754份文件。我认为，根据我非常快速的点击浏览，我感觉页数远多于文件数量的原因在于，法官阁下可以想象成比如简易判决动议，当事人向仲裁员提交一份书面意见，并附上很长的附件，比如关于仲裁的长篇合同以及关于商业银行的尽职调查文件等诸如此类的内容。这些提交材料带有非常长的附件。这是我在非常快速地审查后得到的感觉。我们尚未确定——尽管我们希望对此进行进一步审查，以便在交付材料的内容上向辩方提供进一步协助，但在此次极其庞大的交付材料之前，我们已经从商业银行处收到了材料——\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1\n那是为了回应大陪审团传票，该传票要求提供与汉密尔顿公司相关的任何及所有文件，并明确指出包括任何拟议的并购交易。那是我们大陪审团传票的要求。为了回应传票，他们此前向我们提供了大约16,000份文件，约79,000页，我们也已在此前向辩方交付。目前我们尚未确认这些仲裁材料的附件是否与此前大陪审团传票交付的材料存在重复。从主题上讲，它们——它们应当是重复的，但这是我们希望核查的一点，看看是否能为辩方指出任何可能是新的内容，或者根据我们的判断，可能与柯林斯先生的证词特别相关的任何其他内容，或者我们想为他们指出的内容，以便他们能更仔细地查看。正如我所说的，我们也正在就此事与辩方进行普遍沟通。我们对于推迟柯林斯先生的作证时间持开放态度，以便给他们更多时间来审查这些材料，目前我们尚未就如何安排柯林斯先生达成一致。无论如何，他今天都不会作证。我们对如何最好地协调此事持开放态度。我们希望有效利用陪审团的时间和法庭的时间。我们对各种选项都持开放态度，包括可能——您知道，如果辩方愿意接受的话——柯林斯先生可以在周五完成主询问，但直到周一才接受交叉询问，给他们额外的时间来审查这批交付材料和他主询问的证词笔录，甚至如果他们希望我们干脆推迟到下周再传唤他，我们也愿意接受。我们正在讨论。我只是想提醒法庭注意这个问题，并且，您知道，仅作为此问题的信息通报。\n\n法庭：大陪审团文件和仲裁文件是否有目录索引？\n\n弗根森先生：没有目录索引，我认为没有，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：辩方有什么要说的吗？\n\n席里克先生：法官阁下，我只能就此作简要说明。卡马拉朱先生实际上目前正在对这些材料进行评估，因为正如弗根森先生所指出的，我们也是昨晚很晚才收到这些材料。因此，我们目前还无法就所收到的内容作出实质性评估。显然我们需要花一点时间来处理才能做到这一点。但我只想向法庭指出，您知道，柯林斯先生出现在政府方于周六上午向我们发送的证人名单上，所以他是周末才被通知的，而且，您知道，我们昨晚才收到这些信息。并且，正如我所说，我认为卡马拉朱先生今天稍后在有机会查阅之后，会过来更详细地陈述这一问题。\n\n我只想提一下，除了政府方已经就柯林斯先生的证词提出的统筹安排问题之外，您知道，还有类似的并行问题——\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 我想我们可能会发现，取决于我们如何处理\n2 Mr. Collins（柯林斯先生）的证词，我们明天结束时可能会有\n3 额外的时间。显然，这还有待观察。如果情况确实如此，\n4 如果事情进展得那么快，我们大家都会很高兴。但\n5 就我们而言，我们目前尚未收到政府方面的\n6 任何通知，说明他们届时可能会传唤谁来占用\n7 那段时间。所以再次说明，这是实时发生的。我们\n8 还没有太多机会与政府方面讨论此事，\n9 但我谨向法庭提请注意这一点。\n10 MR. FERGENSON（费根森先生）：法官阁下，我们对此表示理解，\n11 这也是我们乐于与辩方讨论的另一件事，\n12 并且我们会尽一切努力去迁就和配合他们。\n13 您知道，我们不能保证不会出错，但如果我们得知有错误，\n14 我们会在发现时尽力纠正并做正确的事，\n15 这就是我们希望在这里做到的。\n16 THE COURT（法庭）：你们在开庭期间难道没有一群人\n17 可以对这两份文件进行比对吗？\n18 MR. FERGENSON：法官阁下，我不确定我们是否有一大群人，但那\n19 确实是我们的计划。我们将尝试进行该项\n20 比对，并向辩方提示任何进一步的情况。\n21 THE COURT：还有其他事情吗？\n22 MR. FERGENSON：政府方面没有了。\n23 MR. SCHIRICK（希里克先生）：法官阁下，辩方没有了。\n24 THE COURT：好的。我们将在 9:30 重新开庭。\n25 请让证人在 9:29 到达证人席。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 MR. FERGENSON：好的，法官阁下。\n2 （休庭）\n3 THE COURT：请将陪审员带进来。\n4 （陪审团在场）\n5 THE COURT：请就座。\n6 各位陪审员，早上好。\n7 THE JURORS（陪审团）：早上好。\n8 THE COURT：我们将继续对证人进行\n9 主问。\n10 请记住，你仍处于宣誓状态。\n11 你可以提问了。\n12 MR. FERGENSON：谢谢您，法官阁下。\n13 MINRAN WU（吴敏然），恢复作证。\n14 主问继续\n15 询问人：MR. FERGENSON：\n16 问：早上好，Wu 女士（吴女士）。\n17 答：早上好。\n18 问：还有，吴女士，我们昨天休庭时正在讨论\n19 农场借款项目。你还记得吗？\n20 答：记得。\n21 问：你参与了农场借款项目吗？\n22 答：参与了。\n23 问：你把钱汇给你所在的农场了吗？\n24 答：汇了。\n25 问：你汇了多少钱？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 答：$20,000。\n2 问：你大约是什么时候汇的这 $20,000？\n3 答：2020 年 8 月。\n4 问：你把这 20,000 汇到哪里了？\n5 答：Mountains of Spice, LLC（辛香之山有限责任公司），诸如此类的名字。\n6 问：你用来给 Mountains of Spices 汇款的\n7 账户名称是什么？\n8 答：Wonder Invest, LLC（奇迹投资有限责任公司）。\n9 问：与那笔转账相关，你是否签署了一份借款\n10 协议？\n11 答：是的，应该签了。\n12 MR. FERGENSON：Loftus 女士（洛夫特斯女士），我们能否向证人出示\n13 标为 Government Exhibit VN39（政府物证 VN39）的文件。\n14 问：吴女士，这是那份借款协议吗？\n15 答：是的。是的。\n16 MR. FERGENSON：政府方提请采纳 Government\n17 Exhibit VN39 为证据。\n18 MR. SCHIRICK：无异议。\n19 THE COURT：予以采纳。\n20 （政府物证 VN39 被采纳为证据）\n21 MR. FERGENSON：请将其向法庭公开展示。\n22 好的。洛夫特斯女士，能否放大\n23 上半部分，以便让大家能看清文字。很好。\n24 询问人：MR. FERGENSON：\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 问：好的。吴女士，你看到顶部这里写着 Loan\n2 Agreement（借款协议）吗？\n3 答：看到了。\n4 问：这份借款协议中的借款人是谁？\n5 答：MOS Farm（MOS 农场），Mountains of Spice Farm（辛香之山农场）。\n6 问：出借人是谁？\n7 答：我。\n8 问：这份借款协议的日期是哪一天？\n9 答：2020 年 8 月 12 日。\n10 问：在借款金额项下，你看到上面写着 $20,000 吗？\n11 答：看到了。\n12 问：现在请注意第 1(a) 款，Use of\n13 Proceeds（收益用途），我来念一下这一段。\n14 答：好的。\n15 问：上面写着：“收益用途：根据本协议\n16 预付的借款收益应用于借款人的\n17 一般营运资金用途。”而借款人就是农场，\n18 对吗，吴女士？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：那么，吴女士，你是在汇款之前还是之后读到这一条的？\n21 答：我记不清了，因为当时很多事情都\n22 挤在一起。我们非常匆忙和慌乱，因为他们只给了\n23 我们 24 小时到 48 小时，总之就是很短的时间来等待\n24 我们的银行账户信息，因为他们使用了好几个银行\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 账户，但他们发给每个人的银行账户都不同。我\n2 不知道那些是什么，只知道我们需要等待我们\n3 专属的银行账户。在那之后，我们需要立即电汇\n4 资金，因为他们说那些银行账户由于 CCP（中国共产党）\n5 的原因随时可能会被封停。然后我们需要给他们提供\n6 的邮箱地址写邮件，提供许多他们要求\n7 的资料，紧接着在发送——我们把邮件发给农场之后，我们需要加入一个 Telegram（电报）\n8 群组。在那个群里，我们需要等待他们对我们\n9 款项的确认。所以非常忙碌。也——也许在签署之前、在汇款\n10 之前只是粗略——粗略看了看合同，\n11 但要——我不认为我有充裕的时间\n12 一点一点、逐字逐句地去阅读它。\n13 问：吴女士，你昨天解释过，你当时理解\n14 这份借款协议是为了获取 GTV 股票。你记得吗？\n15 答：记得。\n16 问：而“收益用途”并没有提及 GTV 股票，对吗？\n17 答：对。\n18 问：关于为什么会这样，对方曾对你做过什么解释（如果有的话）？\n19 答：他们说正因为 CCP 的原因，他们不能在\n20 这份合同里写得太明确；因为 CCP 一直在盯着\n21 这个群体，他们不能那么做。\n22 问：是谁告诉你的？\n23 答：Miles Guo（郭文贵）这么说的。Xia Qidong（夏麒东）也这么说的。\n24 问：请再提醒我们一下夏麒东的另一个名字是什么。\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 答：Changdao（长岛）或者 Changdao Weida（长岛伟哥）。\n2 问：那又是什么意思？\n3 答：长岛是指一个岛屿，伟哥是指伟大的哥哥。\n4 问：吴女士，请看本合同的第 (c) 款，\n5 你看到上面写着“利率”了吗？利率是多少？\n6 答：他们说我们把钱借给农场，对吧，\n7 农场应该付给我们这个利息，每年 3%。\n8 MR. FERGENSON：洛夫特斯女士，我们现在能否向下滚动\n9 到第 7 页。\n10 问：吴女士，你在这份合同上签字了吗？\n11 答：签了。\n12 问：还有谁在上面签字了？\n13 答：夏麒东。\n14 问：吴女士，你在合同上签字的日期是哪一天？\n15 答：2020 年 8 月 12 日。\n16 问：夏麒东在合同上签字的日期是哪一天？\n17 答：2021 年 11 月 2 日。\n18 问：一年多以后？\n19 答：是的。\n20 MR. FERGENSON：现在，洛夫特斯女士，我们能否向下滚动\n21 到第 9 页。\n22 问：吴女士，你看到上面写着 Name of Entity（实体名称），写着\n23 Wonder Invest, LLC 吗？\n24 答：看到了。\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 问：你能提醒我们一下，Wonder Invest, LLC 是什么吗？\n2 答：是我自己的公司。\n3 MR. FERGENSON：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一页。\n4\n5 问：好的。现在，吴女士，你看到顶部写着 Addendum（附录/补充协议）吗？\n6\n7 答：看到了。\n8 MR. FERGENSON：洛夫特斯女士，为了便于阅读，\n9 能否把上半部分放大。\n10 问：好的。我直接来念一下第 1 条。\n11 第 1 条写道：“借款协议第 1(a) 款\n12 应修改如下。根据本协议预付的借款收益\n13 可由借款人酌情使用且不受限制，\n14 包括但不限于用于营运资金、政治活动、向其他方\n15 放贷，以及/或投资目的。”\n16 吴女士，关于这份附录，长岛对你做过什么说明吗（如果有的话）？\n17\n18 答：我不记得了。\n19 MR. FERGENSON：洛夫特斯女士，请缩小画面，\n20 并翻到第 12 页，就是再往后翻两页。\n21 请继续翻。\n22 问：好的。吴女士，仅关注附录是在何时签署的？\n23\n24 答：2021 年 11 月 5 日。\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 问：那是你签署的日期，对吗？\n2 答：对。\n3 问：夏麒东签署这个的日期是哪一天？\n4 答：2021 年 11 月 2 日。\n5 问：那是否也是夏麒东签署——或者说\n6 长岛签署原借款协议的同一日期？\n7 答：是的。\n8 MR. FERGENSON：好的。现在让我们返回上面，\n9 洛夫特斯女士。让我们回到文件的第 12 页。\n10 如果可以的话，请将画面放大到第 6 款。\n11\n12 问：好的。吴女士，我直接来念第 6 款。\n13 答：好的。\n14 问：上面写着：“如果出借人实施了或正在实施\n15 以下行为，借款人有权单方\n16 解除借款协议：\n17 “(a) 出借人公开或秘密地以口头或书面形式\n18 诽谤、中伤、侮辱、羞辱、\n19 辱骂、咒骂 Wengui Guo（郭文贵）先生（又名 Miles Guo）；\n20 “(b) 出借人发表任何违背 Whistleblower Movement（爆料革命，简称 WM）\n21 宗旨的言论或从事违背其宗旨的任何行为。就本借款协议而言，\n22 WM 被定义为旨在揭露 Chinese Communist Party（中国共产党，简称 CCP）\n23 犯罪活动并传播有关 CCP 暴行真相的\n24 一系列运动、行动和平合（包括 GTV）的组合，\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 其目的是实现彻底和完全消灭 CCP；或者\n2 “(c) 出借人发表任何违背 New Federal State of China（新中国联邦，简称 NFSC）\n3 宗旨的言论或从事违背其宗旨的任何活动。就本票据而言，NFSC 是\n4 由 Miles Guo 先生于 2020 年 6 月 4 日在纽约创建和发起、\n5 并由反 CCP 群体支持的准国家主权实体，\n6 其使命是建立一个没有 CCP 的新中国，\n7 向中国人民推广法治、自由和民主的普世理念。”\n8\n9\n10\n11 吴女士，我们讨论了原借款协议。在\n12 你于 2021 年 11 月收到借款附录时，你在签署前\n13 阅读过该附录吗？\n14 答：没有。\n15 问：你为什么在签署之前没有阅读该附录？\n16 答：当时实际上我已经考虑过要求\n17 退款了。\n18 问：那为什么考虑要求退款会影响\n19 你是否阅读合同呢？或者说阅读附录。不好意思。\n20\n21 答：这是在 11 月份，对吧？实际上，我从 2021 年 4 月或 5 月\n22 就开始怀疑这个组织了，因为当时 SEC（美国证券交易委员会）\n23 公布了和解协议，即与 GTV 的和解协议，\n24 所以我上了网站，阅读了那份文件，然后我感觉\n25 有些不对劲；同时还有其他一些事情混在一起。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - 主问\n1 问：吴女士，我们几分钟后会谈到那些事情。\n2 答：好的。\n3 MR. FERGENSON：洛夫特斯女士，能否缩小画面\n4 并回到第 12 页，就——噢，抱歉。第 14 页。不好意思。\n5\n6 问：那么吴女士，你能否解释一下，如果你当时\n7 正在考虑要求退款，为什么你还是签署了这份\n8 附录。\n9 答：如果我不这样做，我绝对没有任何机会要求\n10 退款。\n11 问：你为什么这么说？\n12 答：首先，我听说很多人说如果他们要求退款，\n13 那么他们可能——只是可能，我——我无法保证，因为我\n14 听说有人说很多人已经因为他们——退款的要求而\n15 被从农场除名了。然后——\n16 MR. SCHIRICK：法官阁下，就传闻证据提出异议。\n17 THE COURT：异议成立。\n18 MR. FERGENSON：法官阁下，提出该证据是为了证明\n19 她为何签署该附录的效果，并非为了证明\n20 庭外陈述的真实性。\n21 THE COURT：既然如此，该回答依然有效。\n22 询问人：MR. FERGENSON：\n23 问：抱歉，吴女士。你刚才在解释为什么即使你\n24 正在考虑要求退款，你还是签署了该\n25 附录。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n答：然后我——我只是觉得我需要一个安全的方式来做这件事。当时我还没有确定具体的方法。那我必须先签这个，之后，我想我会——我会采取一些行动。\n\n问：你说“采取一些行动”，是什么意思？\n\n答：找一个绝佳的机会来做这件事。\n\n问：你说“做这件事”，是指什么，吴女士（Ms. Wu）？\n\n答：要求退款。\n\n问：那你——我们稍后再谈这个，但你最终是否对农场借款提出了退款要求？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的。我们稍后会转到那个问题。吴女士，在农场借款转账方面，你做过什么志愿工作吗（如果有的话）？\n\n答：在那个群里，就是农场——MOS Farm（MOS农场）建立了这个群，为一起诉讼中所需的文件做翻译工作。\n\n问：那是谁和谁之间的诉讼？\n\n答：在MOS Farm和Phoenix Farm（凤凰农场）之间。\n\n问：谁负责Phoenix Farm？\n\n答：当时应该是Sara Wei（萨拉·魏）。\n\n问：现在你能否概括地解释一下，MOS为此创建的聊天群里分享了哪些类型的文件？那个群里分享了哪些文件？\n\n答：就是各种各样的借款项目，来自所有——来自——我不知道\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n是否是所有农场，但绝对是来自世界各地的各个农场。\n\n问：谁会把这些文件发送到聊天群里？\n\n答：Zhang Yongbing（张永兵）和Xia Qidong（夏奇东）负责这个群。张永兵和他的助手把这些文件分发给我们进行翻译。\n\nFERGENSON先生（MR. FERGENSON）：洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），能否请我们出示已作为证据的Government Exhibit 121（政府方第121号证物）。如果我们可以出示的话。\n\n问：吴女士，这是谁？\n\n答：这是张永兵。\n\n问：他在MOS Farm的职务是什么？\n\n答：他当时是MOS Farm的法务组组长。\n\n问：在那之后他在各个农场中的职位是什么？\n\n答：在那之后，他升到了Himalaya Alliance（喜马拉雅联盟），然后又进入了Iron Blood Group（铁血组）。\n\n问：是——\n\n法庭（THE COURT）：他还有其他名字吗？\n\n证人（THE WITNESS）：张永兵是他的真名。他的称呼是Tang Gong Qi Xia（唐公七侠，音）。\n\n问：吴女士，你能为法庭记录员拼写一下Zhang Yongbing吗？\n\n答：Zhang Yongbing。Z-H-A-N-G，Y-O-N-G-B-I-N-G。\n\n问：吴女士，你刚才说他升到了Himalaya Alliance和Iron Blood Group。什么是Iron Blood Group？\n\n答：它应该是核心，这个组织的核心，并且\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n所有成员都是Miles Guo（郭文贵）的帮手。\n\nFERGENSON先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士，如果我们现在可以只向证人出示标为Government Exhibit VN7（政府方第VN7号证物）的文件。\n\n问：吴女士，你说过张永兵或他的助手把文件分享到了这个聊天群，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：发送给你的文件中，有一些是短信的屏幕截图吗，吴女士？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：抱歉。我没——这份文件现在出现在你的屏幕上了吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：这是张永兵或其助手分享到聊天群的文件之一吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\nFERGENSON先生：政府方提呈Government Exhibit VN7。\n\nSCHIRICK先生（MR. SCHIRICK）：审判长，可以进行预先审查质询吗？\n\n法庭：可以。\n\n预先审查询问（VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION）\n\n由SCHIRICK先生进行：\n\n问：吴女士，这份文件不是你制作的，对吗？\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：你知道这份文件是什么时候制作的吗？\n\n答：不知道。\n\n问：你知道是谁制作的吗？说清楚一点，我问的是\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n是谁制作了这份文件，而不是文件中出现的那些人叫什么名字。\n\n答：我不知道。应该是铁血组的人。\n\n问：但你并不知道。\n\n答：因为他们做这个，没有其他人能做这个。\n\n问：我明白。我问的是你所知道的，而不是对可能发生的事情进行推测。\n\n答：好的。我不知道。\n\nFERGENSON先生：审判长，她已经回答了问题。\n\nSCHIRICK先生：我们提出异议。\n\n法庭：异议驳回。准予采纳。\n\nFERGENSON先生：洛夫特斯女士，请出示这份文件。\n\n由FERGENSON先生继续询问：\n\n问：好的。现在——\n\nSCHIRICK先生：审判长，在Fergenson先生开始发问之前，我们能否进行简短的法台旁交谈？\n\n法庭：可以。\n\n（续下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n（在法台旁）\n\nSCHIRICK先生：审判长，基于传闻证据以及其中包含普通话中文，我们对此持有持续异议。这是我们的异议。\n\nFERGENSON先生：这不是传闻证据。它是由Miles Guo的一名代理人发送给MOS Farm的；显然是代理人的陈述。其次，这是一条包含郭文贵在内的短信截图。我看不出这怎么会是传闻证据。至于中文翻译，我很乐意——这绝大部分是英文。我很乐意只就英文部分向她提问。我们对此没有很多问题。如果我们愿意，我们可以把有限的中文文本翻译出来并发送给辩方。我们可以把它作为证据提交——\n\n法庭：这个问题之前出现过。任何中文都需要翻译。所以你们先放一放这个，就算我的裁定暂缓，可以这么说吧。\n\nFERGENSON先生：好的。那我就跳过它。\n\nSCHIRICK先生：就一点，审判长。我认为证人作证说，尽管Fergenson先生描述了这份文件的出处，但这名证人作证称她根本不知道是谁制作的，也不知道它来自哪里。\n\nFERGENSON先生：那不是真的。她说这是在一个聊天中分享的，是在聊天中发给她的，然后她从那里下载了它。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\nSHROFF女士（MS. SHROFF）：她从来没说过她下载了它，而且——\n\nFERGENSON先生：对。如果你想让我问她的话——\n\nSHROFF女士：请让我说完。她没有说她下载了它，她也没有说她制作了这份文件。我们应该搞清楚目前记录在案的内容是什么，因为——我们随时可以回看记录，但我认为根本没有任何证词表明她下载了它。\n\nFERGENSON先生：你说得对。很抱歉。\n\n法庭：但她认得它。\n\nSHROFF女士：我想她确实这么说了。但她从未说过那份文件是如何制作出来的，对吧？他问她，是谁制作了摆在你面前的这份证物，所以——说她下载了是不准确的。\n\nFERGENSON先生：关于制作，你不需要制作一份文件才能出示一份文件。它是发给她的。我很乐意向她询问这点。\n\n法庭：那我们就等翻译出来，但就你拥有的其他文件而言，如果是发给她的并且她认得，它就会被采纳。\n\nSCHIRICK先生：我们提出传闻异议，但我们明白，审判长。\n\n法庭：这是共谋者、或涉嫌共谋者的陈述。我们继续吧。\n\n（续下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n（在公开法庭上）\n\n法庭：你可以继续。\n\nFERGENSON先生：谢谢你，审判长。好的。洛夫特斯女士，我们现在能否向证人出示标为Government Exhibit VN13（政府方第VN13号证物）的文件。\n\n由FERGENSON先生继续询问：\n\n问：吴女士，这是在那个聊天群里分享的另一份文件吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\nFERGENSON先生：政府方提呈Government Exhibit VN13。\n\nSCHIRICK先生：审判长，可以进行预先审查质询吗？\n\n法庭：可以。\n\n预先审查询问\n\n由SCHIRICK先生进行：\n\n问：吴女士，同样，这份文件不是你制作的，对吗？\n\n答：是几个人一起制作的。\n\n问：那么我的问题是：你制作了这份文件吗？\n\n答：我做了一部分。\n\n问：你制作了这份文件的某一部分？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：好的。你知道这是否是该文件的最终版本吗？\n\n答：我可以移——移动它吗？\n\nFERGENSON先生：洛夫特斯女士，麻烦你稍微向下滚动一下。你可以继续向下滚动，洛夫特斯女士。\n\n答：这里没有总计金额。\n\n由SCHIRICK先生继续询问：\n\n问：好的。你知道这个信息的来源是什么吗，这份文件中显示的信息来源？\n\n答：你看到文件编号了吗？那些文件编号就是张永兵分发给我们的不同截图。\n\n问：抱歉。你能再解释一下吗？\n\n答：文件编号，那一栏，文件编号那一栏，MLP，全都是——\n\n问：噢，文件编号。我明白了。好的。请继续。\n\n答：每一个代表一张截图。我们做了翻译。\n\n问：好的。我的问题是：你知道这份文件中的财务信息来源是什么吗？\n\n答：你说的来源是什么意思？来源就是他们给我们的截图，他们向不同农场要来的截图。\n\nFERGENSON先生：我们看的第一份证物是那些截图的一个例子吗？\n\n证人：是的，是的。\n\nSCHIRICK先生：审判长，提出相同的异议。\n\n法庭：你是在聊天群里收到的这份文件，对吗？\n\n证人：是的。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n法庭：准予采纳。\n\n（政府方第VN13号证物被采纳为证据）\n\nFERGENSON先生：谢谢你，审判长。我们可以向陪审团出示它，就简单展示一下。我们可以向上滚动到顶部。\n\n由FERGENSON先生继续询问：\n\n问：那么吴女士，你看到第1行用红字写着“Note”（备注）吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：我就读一下这条备注。上面写着：“Note: the following amounts have either been transferred or were confirmed by farm owners to have been transferred to Maywind.”（备注：以下款项已转账，或经农场主确认为已转账至Maywind。）吴女士，你是否记得——在Receiver（收款人）一栏写着Maywind Trading LLC（Maywind贸易有限责任公司）。你记得那是什么吗？\n\n答：应该是Phoenix Farm的一个银行或银行账户。它就是用来接收来自该农场成员的借款项目资金的。\n\nFERGENSON先生：洛夫特斯女士，请向底部滚动。继续滚动。\n\n问：吴女士，你看到这个Excel表格上写的总额是$39,872,527吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\nFERGENSON先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士——抱歉。我们能否快速向上滚回去，因为在陪审团没看到的时候我们提到了这一点。\n\n问：在File Number（文件编号）列下，即B列，吴女士——\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO1 Wu - Direct（主询问）\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：——你看到该列下方的各条目中带有MLP的编号了吗？\n\n答：MLP。\n\n问：比如，在第3行写着MLP 0011-7？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：既然陪审团能看到了，你能否再次解释一下，那是指的是什么。\n\n答：M代表Maywind。\n\n（续下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录员公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu（吴敏然）- 直接询问\n1 问（FERGENSON 先生）：\n2 问：这些文件编号，是指我们最先看的那类截图吗？\n3 SCHIRICK 先生：反对。\n4 法庭：反对成立。\n5 答：是的。\n6 法庭：你不能回答。该回答予以删除。\n7 问：吴女士，你能解释一下这些指的是什么吗？\n8 答：“M”代表 Maywind。“L”代表诉讼（lawsuit）。“P”代表凤凰农场（Phoenix Farm）。这些字母前面的四位数字代表不同的农场。例如，0011 就是 MOS 农场，喜马拉雅纽约 MOS 农场（Himalaya New York MOS）。\n9 还有七，在这之前，Zhang Yongbing（张咏兵）让他的助理向不同的农场发送表格，让农场主或相关人员填写该表格。该表格包含十个问题；例如，你的农场何时启动该借款项目；你的农场何时向 Maywind 汇出第一笔款项；你的借款项目总额是多少等等。我记不清全部十个问题了。因此根据每个农场对该表格的回答；一，就对应问题一；二，就对应问题二。这里，七，就是针对问题七。关于该问题七的截图包含一些金额或银行信息，就是用这些信息来填写这份表格。此外，有些农场还发送了一些相关的银行对账单电汇明细。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否向证人出示标为政府证据 VN-12 的文件。\n2 SCHIRICK 先生：法官阁下，同样的反对理由。\n3 FERGENSON 先生：法官阁下，我稍后就会提请采纳。\n4 问：吴女士，这是在聊天群里分享的那份文件吗？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：顺便问一下，吴女士，我们看过的在聊天群里分享的这些文件，是你提供给政府的吗？\n7 答：是的。\n8 FERGENSON 先生：政府提请采纳政府证据 VN-12。\n9 SCHIRICK 先生：同样的反对理由。\n10 法庭：予以采纳。\n11 （政府证据 VN-12 已被采纳为证据）\n12 问（FERGENSON 先生）：\n13 问：好的。Loftus 女士，也许我们可以将顶栏最小化，这样我们能看到更多这个 Excel 的内容，我们也可以往上滚动，或者稍微往下滚动一点。\n14 现在，吴女士，我想请你关注第 37 行，上面写着第 0 行至第 35 行，并给出了一个总计。那里用蓝色列出的总计是多少？\n15 答：就是把上面的转账金额加在一起。\n16 问：上面写的是 $106,489,540 吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：现在我想稍微往回向上滚动一点，Loftus 女士。我们可以只看一个例子。你可以上移到第 17 行。\n3 那么，吴女士，这一行显示金额是 3080 万美元（$30.8 million）。你看到了吗？\n4 答：嗯。\n5 问：上面写着汇款人，然后有一个问号，接着写着收款人，也有一个问号，收款人是阿布扎比（Abu Dhabi）。你看到了吗？\n6 答：看到了。\n7 问：你知道为什么这里会有问号吗？\n8 答：所有这些信息都来自 Sara 的截图。在那个截图中，Sara 只是列出了这三笔汇给 Abu Dhabi LA 和 G Service 的款项，但没有提及来自哪里，所以这里有问号。\n9 但我们没有任何明细；例如，能够显示 Abu Dhabi LA G Service 的银行对账单、电汇对账单，所以有问号。\n10 问：你知道为什么资金被汇往阿布扎比吗？\n11 答：我不知道。\n12 问：你可以把它撤下来了，Loftus 女士。\n13 现在，吴女士，在你把 20,000 美元（$20,000）汇给 MOS 农场之后，你知道这些钱具体是如何被花掉的吗（如果有的话）？\n14 答：我不知道。\n15 问：你是否曾因你的借款而收到 GTV 股票？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 答：没有。\n2 问：你是否曾收到过你借款的利息支付？\n3 答：没有。\n4 问：吴女士，Miles Guo（郭文贵）在他的直播中就将投资者的钱用于他自己一事说过什么（如果有的话）？\n5 答：没有。\n6 问：他说了什么？\n7 答：他说没有人可以动我们的钱，连一分钱都是安全的，全部安全。\n8 问：如果你知道 Miles Guo 将投资者的钱用于个人开销，你还会投资农场借款项目吗？\n9 SCHIRICK 先生：反对。\n10 法庭：你可以回答。\n11 答：不会。\n12 问：你会投资他推广的任何项目吗？\n13 SCHIRICK 先生：反对。\n14 法庭：你可以回答。\n15 答：不会。\n16 问：吴女士，正如你之前提到的，是否到了某个时候你要求退还你汇出的农场借款项目的款项？\n17 答：2022 年 9 月。\n18 问：我们稍后会讨论具体的时间节点，但你拿到退款了吗？\n19 答：拿到了。\n20 问：退款包含任何利息吗？\n21 答：不包含。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 问：退款包含任何 GTV 股票吗？\n2 答：不包含。\n3 问：在 2022 年 9 月你要求退款时，你跟谁谈过这件事？\n4 答：起初我联系了 MOS 农场的 G 系列（G Series）义工，她说她会就此事联系 Xia Qidong（夏奇东），然后让我等。我等了几个星期。什么都没发生，所以我再次联系了那位义工。那位义工说也许 Xia Qidong 忘了这事，她会再去问他。后来 Xia Qidong 通过电子邮件联系了我，我们谈了几次。\n5 他问了一些问题，还让我签署了一份涉及我银行账户的退款协议，然后他说他会给我一张纸质支票，所以后来我收到了一张纸质支票。\n6 问：我们稍后会回到你提出退款请求的时间节点。但我想请问，吴女士，是否到了某个时候你向 G/Clubs 汇了钱？\n7 答：2020 年 10 月。\n8 问：你向 G/Clubs 汇了多少钱？\n9 答：10,000。\n10 问：你把钱汇到了哪里？\n11 答：G/Clubs Operating, LLC。\n12 问：你用来向 G/Club 汇款的账户名称是什么？\n13 答：联名账户。\n14 问：那么，吴女士，你为什么要向 G/Club 汇 10,000 美元（$10,000）？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 答：GTV 股票。\n2 问：你为什么会认为向 G/Clubs 汇款就能获得 GTV 股票？\n3 答：Miles Guo 说的。\n4 问：Miles Guo 在哪里说的？\n5 答：在他的视频里，大概是好几个视频里。\n6 问：你拿到 GTV 股份了吗？\n7 答：没有。\n8 问：你的 G/Clubs 会员资格给你带来了什么好处（如果有的话）？\n9 答：我什么也没得到。\n10 问：吴女士，什么是 G Fashion？\n11 答：Miles Guo 创建了那个网站来销售时尚商品，比如衣服、珠宝。\n12 问：G Fashion 和 G/Clubs 之间有什么联系（如果有的话）？\n13 答：如果你有 G/Club 会员资格，你在购买 G Fashion 时可以获得某种折扣。\n14 问：你买过 G Fashion 吗？\n15 答：没有。\n16 问：为什么没有？\n17 答：我不喜欢，不是我的风格，而且贵得离谱。\n18 问：所以，吴女士，你为什么要花 10,000 美元（$10,000）购买 G/Clubs 会员资格？\n19 答：GTV 股票。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 SCHIRICK 先生：反对，已问且已答。\n2 法庭：反对无效。\n3 问：吴女士，你是否曾要求退还你汇给 G/Clubs 的款项？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：你大概是什么时候提出要求的？\n6 答：2022 年 12 月。\n7 问：你之前提到你在 2022 年 9 月要求退还农场借款？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：你为什么要等到 2022 年 12 月才要求退还 G/Club 的款项？\n10 答：在提出 G/Club 退款请求之前，实际上我要求退还喜币（H Coin）。\n11 问：那么具体的时间顺序是怎样的？你能为我们梳理一下你提出退款请求的时间顺序吗，我们稍后再谈 H Coin？\n12 答：我觉得借款项目可能是最容易要回退款的一个，所以我先做了那个。\n13 问：你为什么认为农场借款项目会是最容易的？\n14 答：之前我听说 Xia Qidong 正在接受政府调查，对他施加的调查越来越多，而且我有机会翻译了 Xia Qidong 和其他一些 MOS 成员之间的一些电子邮件。在那些电子邮件中，他们讨论了借款项目的退款。当时在那些邮件里 Xia Qidong 表现得稍微讲道理一些，所以我觉得这是个好迹象，可以继续推进。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 那时在那些邮件里 Xia Qidong 表现得稍微讲道理一些，所以我觉得这是个好迹象，可以去申请。\n2 问：那你为什么不同时要求退还所有投资项目的款项呢？\n3 答：我害怕他们直接把我开除出农场，我就什么都拿不到了。\n4 问：那你为什么会担心因为要求退款而被开除出农场？\n5 答：他们会这么做。他们经常这么做。\n6 问：联盟成员把那些因为要求退款而以这种方式被开除出农场的人称作什么？\n7 SCHIRICK 先生：反对。\n8 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n9 答：中共间谍。\n10 问：吴女士，回到 G/Clubs 的退款请求上，你是如何申请你的 G/Clubs 退款的？\n11 答：我先问了农场，但农场说不关他们的事。我应该去找 G/Clubs 要。所以我登录了 G/Club 并询问了在线客服。然后 G/Club 给我发了电子邮件让我填写退款申请表。我填写并提交了，至今没有任何进展。\n12 问：你给 G/Clubs 发邮件的频率是怎样的（如果有的话）？\n13 答：在大约一年的时间里，我每天都给他们写信。\n14 问：你收到过回复吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 答：机器自动回复。\n2 问：你还记得机器回复说了什么吗？\n3 答：我们的工作人员会审核您的申请，诸如此类的话。\n4 问：吴女士，你拿回你在 G/Clubs 的钱，也就是那 10,000 美元（$10,000）了吗？\n5 答：没有。\n6 问：对于这笔转账，你是否曾获得过 GTV 或任何其他公司的任何股份？\n7 答：没有。\n8 问：吴女士，什么是喜币配额（H Coin quota）？\n9 答：它是一个复杂的公式，根据你之前的投资，包括你对法治基金（Rule of Law Foundation）的捐款，来计算你应该获得的 H Coin 数量。\n10 问：在某人的 H Coin 配额中，每个 H Coin 的价格是多少？\n11 答：每枚币 10 美分（10 cent）。\n12 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否向证人出示标为政府证据 VN-37 的文件。\n13 吴女士，这是什么文件？\n14 答：喜币协议（H Coin agreement）。\n15 FERGENSON 先生：政府提请采纳政府证据 VN-37。\n16 SCHIRICK 先生：无反对。\n17 法庭：予以采纳。\n18 （政府证据 VN-37 已被采纳为证据）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 直接询问\n1 问：吴女士，这是你的 H Coin 协议吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：这是和哪个农场签署的？\n4 答：MOS 农场。\n5 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否放大那里的中间段落，也就是较长的那一段。\n6 吴女士，我不打算朗读整段内容，但你的 H Coin 配额中有多少枚 H Coin？\n7 答：44,500 枚。\n8 问：那些 H Coin 每枚的价格是多少？\n9 答：每枚十美分（Ten cents）。\n10 问：Loftus 女士，请我们能否缩小并翻到第六页。\n11 吴女士，你签署了这份文件吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：你签署的日期是哪一天？\n14 答：2021 年 10 月 28 日。\n15 问：还有谁签署了？\n16 答：Xia Qidong。\n17 问：让我们缩小，Loftus 女士。我们能否稍微往回移到第二页。我们能否放大第五段一直到底部。吴女士，我只读其中的一小部分。\n18 上面写道，本协议书的一项实质性条款是，你在此不可撤销地完全且无限期地同意\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu（吴敏然）- 主询问\n1 遵守以下保证与承诺。您\n2 保证并确认您是 HF 的成员，并且\n3 因此赞同 HF 的规则和理念。\n4 我们可以缩小画面，请翻到第 3 页。如果我们\n5 可以放大罗马数字 I 到 IV。吴女士，我来读\n6 这些条款。\n7 您承诺不采取任何行动、认可任何\n8 行动或协助任何行动，无论是直接还是\n9 间接，凡是旨在违背或违背\n10 HF 的核心价值观和理想的。我跳过一点，\n11 读第 II 条。上面写着，您承诺不采取任何行动——\n12 稍微跳过一点——旨在或可能\n13 潜在地损害或破坏 HF 的使命和理念。\n14 第 3 条写着，您承诺不表现出——\n15 跳过一点——以任何形式向中国共产党或 CCP 或任何 CCP 官员\n16 提供任何支持或利益。\n17 第 4 条写着，您承诺不采取任何行动——\n18 跳过——旨在或可能潜在地\n19 损害或破坏该交易所的声誉或运营。\n20 吴女士，您对这些内容的含义有何理解？\n21 答：胡说八道。\n22 问：抱歉，吴女士。\n23 答：我觉得这是胡说八道。我不明白为什么要写\n24 这些条款。\n25 问：您理解如果您批评\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 该运动会发生什么？\n2 SCHIRICK 先生：已经问过并回答过了。\n3 法庭：反对成立。\n4 问：我们是否可以缩小画面。我们是否可以退回到\n5 签名页，第 6 页。\n6 现在，吴女士，您在 2021年10月28日 签署了这份文件。您\n7 是否汇款支付了您的 H Coin（喜币）额度？\n8 答：其实，我在 2021年4月 就支付了喜币的款项。如果我\n9 没记错的话，我不记得当时\n10 我有这份协议。\n11 问：在 2021年4月 您大概支付了多少？\n12 答：不到 5,000 美元。\n13 问：您是否汇了——撤回。洛夫图斯（Loftus）女士，我们现在可以把这个\n14 撤下去了。\n15 您把那笔略少于 5,000 美元的喜币额度款项\n16 汇到了哪里？\n17 答：他们给了我一个个人账户让我把钱汇进去。\n18 问：您说他们给了您，是谁给了您这个个人\n19 账户？\n20 答：义工，G系列义工。\n21 问：您用来汇出喜币额度款项的账户上\n22 的名字是什么？\n23 答：我不记得了，联名账户或者我自己的账户。\n24 问：吴女士，您为什么没有把喜币额度款项直接汇给\n25 Himalaya Exchange（喜马拉雅交易所）？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 答：他们没有给我们任何与喜马拉雅\n2 交易所有关的账户。\n3 问：Alliance Foundation（联盟委员会基金会）是什么？\n4 答：他们后来说，很晚才说，这只是一个用来\n5 持有我们的喜币并进行数字货币操作以便为我们\n6 获取更好利润的基金会。\n7 问：吴女士，通常而言，您对谁可以直接通过\n8 喜马拉雅交易所投资、直接购买喜币\n9 的理解是什么？\n10 答：应该是不在美国和日本，也许还有加拿大的农场成员。\n11 我不记得了，但肯定包括美国和日本。\n12 问：因为没有直接向喜马拉雅交易所汇款，您不得不支付\n13 什么佣金（如果有的话）？\n14 答：百分之五。\n15 问：这百分之五的佣金去哪儿了？\n16 答：我不知道。\n17 问：吴女士，您为什么在 2021年4月 汇出这笔钱购买\n18 喜币额度？\n19 答：Miles Guo（郭文贵）说这种数字货币未来将成为\n20 全球领先的数字货币。当时已经有很多国家，包括著名的金融\n21 机构，可能对喜币感兴趣或者可能已经为自己购买了\n22 那些喜币。所以赶紧占座。这是你们的机会，\n23 而且他们用我们之前的投资来计算\n24 额度，所以何乐而不为呢。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 问：当您使用“占座”这个词时，那是郭文贵\n2 说过的话。您对占座的含义有何理解？您指的是什么？\n3 答：不是每个人都有这个机会。你们太幸运了能有\n4 这个机会，所以无论如何都不能错过它，因为你这辈子\n5 再也不会有这样的机会了。\n6 问：关于喜币和黄金，郭文贵说了什么（如果有的话）？\n7 答：抱歉，请再说一遍。\n8 问：关于喜币和黄金，郭文贵说了什么（如果有的话）？\n9 答：他说喜马拉雅交易所有 20% 的黄金作为\n10 储备。\n11 问：这 20% 的黄金储备对您来说重要吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：您能向陪审团解释一下为什么这对您\n14 很重要吗？\n15 答：首先，如果一家金融机构有能力购买 20%\n16 的黄金作为储备，这家机构的财务\n17 能力应该非常强。\n18 其次，我的印象是世界上许多银行，\n19 包括联邦储备系统，它们都有黄金作为\n20 储备，所以这听起来很正规。\n21 问：吴女士，您是否曾在喜马拉雅\n22 交易所拥有过账户？\n23 答：没有。\n24 问：据您所知，喜马拉雅交易所上是否曾有以您的名字\n25 或您的账户持有的喜币？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 答：没有。\n2 问：您是否曾要求退还您的喜币\n3 额度款项？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：您大约是什么时候提出要求的？\n6 答：在借款项目退款之后，大约在 2022年10月。\n7 问：您拿回那笔钱了吗？\n8 答：大部分拿回来了，差不多半年后。\n9 问：您大约收回了多少钱？\n10 答：4,500，差不多这个数。\n11 问：您拿回那百分之五的佣金了吗？\n12 答：没有。\n13 问：郭文贵是否赔偿了您的损失？\n14 答：没有。\n15 问：吴女士，您在作证开始时说过您\n16 不再是郭文贵的追随者了。是什么原因让您对\n17 这场运动产生了怀疑？\n18 答：首先，SEC（美国证券交易委员会），GTV 的和解案。在 SEC 宣布\n19 这件事之前，郭文贵和他的帮手从未提及过\n20 任何有关此事的内容。然后是那场诉讼的翻译。我看到了很多\n21 截图展示了许多事情。\n22 例如，Sara Wei（魏丽红）开设了 170 多个银行\n23 账户。我只是觉得这太诡异了。这正常吗？我\n24 不知道。因为当时，我仍然信任郭文贵\n25 和这个组织，但我只是觉得这里面有些诡异\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 的事情。另外在那之前我就已经觉得这个群体内部没有那么多的言论\n2 自由。人们不应该批评郭文贵\n3 和他身边的人、亲近他的人，你应当对\n4 自己所说的话和所写的内容小心谨慎。然后后来，我就\n5 听说政府开始调查一些人，比如夏\n6 奇东（Xia Qidong）。而且他们非常不情愿把这些\n7 合同签署后寄回给我们，尽管那些合同内部有很多\n8 漏洞。我不知道为什么。\n9 所以渐渐地，我只是——而且他们派人\n10 去那些批评郭文贵的人的家门口和工作场所前抗议，\n11 使用煽动性的图片和语言。\n12 有时会演变成暴力。有些人因为这个被送进了\n13 医院。另外，郭文贵就是把义工往死里用。\n14 我不知道为什么。就是一刻接着一刻，\n15 活动接连不断，从不停歇。根本不给你时间去\n16 思考别的事情，没时间与其他人接触。我听到郭文贵\n17 自己在他的视频里说，有一位义工因为义工工作的\n18 过度劳累被送进了医院。但\n19 郭文贵说我们不应该像 CCP 那样，就是那种虐待人的\n20 方式。这种虐待。我不知道为什么。只是\n21 当义工，对吧。为什么这么苛刻？\n22 还有喜币的事。他们说这将是世界上最\n23 安全的数字货币。有一天他们说，\n24 数百万或数千万枚喜币消失了，失踪了。他们\n25 无法定位它们，好吧。还有喜币锁仓的事。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 之前他们对我们承诺，把那些喜币存入著名\n2 数字货币机构的人，只要该机构持有我们的代币\n3 至少六个月，我们就可以随时赎回我们的喜币。这从未兑现过。\n4 事实上，几个月后，我不记得确切的\n5 时间，郭文贵说他们需要将我们的喜币锁仓至少\n6 三年。谁都不能动它。而在郭文贵\n7 被捕之前，一名铁血组（Iron Blood Group）成员说我们需要将\n8 我们的喜币锁仓也许至少十年。还有很多其他事情，\n9 就是一点一滴累积起来的。\n10 问：吴女士，回到您刚才提到的几件事上。其中\n11 一件事是喜币。为了让我们理解您刚才讨论的最后一件事，\n12 什么是喜币锁仓？\n13 答：就是他们不想让人从喜币中\n14 拿回自己的钱。这是我的理解。所以他们不想让你\n15 碰喜币。你无法从他们那里拿到任何钱。\n16 问：您还提到了言论自由和抗议。您看到了什么样的\n17 抗议？\n18 答：我并不喜欢看，只是听他们谈论\n19 这些抗议。例如，SEC 抗议。一名在加拿大、经常\n20 批评郭文贵的人，他们抗议了三次。\n21 每次 10 天、20 天。我不记得确切天数了。\n22 而且他们使用了大量煽动性的图片，还波及到了\n23 邻居、朋友、家人。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 问：关于被抗议的人，联盟委员会说了什么或者把他们\n2 称为什么（如果有的话）？\n3 SCHIRICK 先生：已经问过并回答过了。\n4 法庭：反对无效。您可以回答。\n5 答：您是指郭文贵怎么称呼他们？\n6 问：是的，郭文贵怎么称呼他们？\n7 答：中共间谍。\n8 问：这些关于中共间谍的说辞，\n9 这些说法以及抗议对您的怀疑产生了什么影响？\n10 SCHIRICK 先生：反对，已经问过并回答过了。\n11 法庭：反对无效。您可以回答。\n12 答：为什么我们身边有这么多中共间谍，我不知道。我觉得\n13 这太荒谬了。\n14 问：那么，吴女士，郭文贵是否谈到过自己被中共针对？\n15 答：谈到过。\n16 问：他说了些什么样的话？\n17 答：他说他被——好的。他说中共想杀\n18 他。他说中共逮捕了他的家人，而且差点抓到他，但他\n19 逃脱了。他说中共没收了他的财产、他的资产，\n20 诸如此类的话。\n21 问：吴女士，如果郭文贵被中共针对是真的，\n22 这是否改变了您对这些投资项目的看法？\n23 答：没有。\n24 问：这是否改变了您对这场运动的看法？\n25 答：没有。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu - 主询问\n1 问：为什么这没有改变您的看法？\n2 答：这场运动就是一个骗局。我不认为它与\n3 中共有任何关系。而且如果某个人反共，并不\n4 意味着这个人就可以去诈骗别人。那是不同的\n5 两码事。你不能利用这种反共来做违法的事情。\n6 问：您这话是什么意思？\n7 答：就是，比如你骗了钱，现在你说你骗钱\n8 是为了反共。我就是无法理解。如果你反共\n9 而且你骗钱，你觉得自己比中共好吗？\n10 问：吴女士，总体而言，您从您的投资中\n11 是赚了钱还是亏了钱？\n12 答：我亏了一些。\n13 问：您大约亏了多少？\n14 答：大约 15,000 美元。\n15 问：郭文贵个人是否偿还了这 15,000 美元？\n16 SCHIRICK 先生：反对。\n17 法庭：反对无效。您可以回答。\n18 答：没有。\n19 问：您是否曾一对一要求他这样做？\n20 答：没有。\n21 问：您是否曾与他进行过一对一的交流？\n22 答：没有。\n23 问：吴女士，今天坐在这里，您仍然反共吗？\n24 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu（吴敏然）\n1 问：你现在还信任 Miles Guo（郭文贵）吗？\n2 答：不信任了。\n3 问：为什么不信任？\n4 SCHIRICK 律师：法官大人，该问题已经问过并回答过了。\n5 法庭：异议驳回。你可以回答。\n6 答：他就是个骗子。他非常擅长演戏和欺骗，但是\n7 我觉得他不诚实、不可靠、不可信，在任何方面都不是一个\n8 值得信任的正派人。\n9 FERGENSON 律师：没有其他问题了。\n10 法庭：交叉盘问。\n11 交叉盘问\n12 由 SCHIRICK 律师进行：\n13 问：吴女士，你出生在中国，对吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：你是在 2001 年来到美国的？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：你拥有计算机科学的研究生学位，\n18 对吗？\n19 答：是的，硕士。\n20 问：计算机科学硕士。所以你曾担任过\n21 计算机程序员？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：你现在退休了吗？\n24 答：我自己退休了。\n25 问：明白了。你是什么时候退休的？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南部区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：2010 年。\n2 问：你的丈夫，他现在还在工作吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：他也是做计算机程序员吗？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：他在哪里工作？\n7 答：一家医药公司。\n8 问：好的。我问下一个问题。\n9 你说你是在 2018 年第一次听说 Miles Guo 的，对吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：因为你在网上看到了他的一些视频？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：那是在 YouTube 上？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：我相信你作证说过，在 2020 年你开始\n16 几乎每天都看郭先生的视频？\n17 答：从一周一、两次到每天看，不是从\n18 一开始就每天看的。\n19 问：好的。但到了一定程度后就是每天看？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：可以这么说吗，他在 2020 年的视频都是\n22 反中共的？\n23 答：他说了一些关于中共恶行的事情，仅此而已，还有一些\n24 中共内部的八卦。\n25 问：对。你指的八卦是，他在揭露他\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 认为是中共的一些内幕秘密，对吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：而且在接触到郭先生的视频之前，你本身就已经\n4 反中共了，对吗？\n5 答：当时实际上我内心深处可能已经是了，但我\n6 没有清楚地意识到。\n7 问：在那个时期左右，你自己也做过一些关于中国\n8 共产党的研究，对吗？\n9 法庭：在大致什么时期。\n10 SCHIRICK 律师：大致在 2020 年左右，法官大人。\n11 答：实际上在那之前，从我家庭的历史和\n12 经历中，我已经注意到了很多关于这方面的事。这也是为什么\n13 当我看 Miles Guo 的视频时，我认为他说的有些是\n14 真的。\n15 问：而你的家庭经历，部分是基于你\n16 父母曾患病这一事实，对吗？\n17 答：你是说我父母生病的事吗？\n18 问：是的。\n19 答：不仅是因为那件事。\n20 问：嗯，我的问题是“部分是”。\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：你觉得他们在生病时在中国没有得到良好的对待，\n23 对吗？\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：这也是你即使在行动上没有、但在思想上\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 已经开始反中共的部分原因，对吗？\n2 答：是的，部分原因。\n3 问：另一部分原因是什么？\n4 答：我的家族历史。\n5 问：当你提到家族历史时，指的是与你\n6 父母生病不同的事情吗？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：你能告诉我们这是什么意思吗？\n9 答：我父亲年轻时在与中共的抗争中\n10 牺牲了。\n11 问：好的。现在，当你开始参与这个运动时，\n12 你明白我说的“这个运动”是什么意思吗？\n13 答：法治运动？\n14 问：是的。\n15 答：明白了。\n16 问：当你开始参与这个运动时，你并没有\n17 期望你的参与会导致中共被推翻，\n18 对吗？\n19 答：Miles Guo 这样说过。\n20 问：女士，我问的是你怎么想的，你相信什么。\n21 答：如果能做到，那就好。如果做不到，至少也做点事情。\n22 问：你当时是否相信你的参与会推翻\n23 中共？\n24 答：也许吧。\n25 问：你当时是否相信“法治运动”能够\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 推翻中共？\n2 答：也许吧。\n3 问：好的。明白了。但你并不一定期望\n4 它会推翻中共，对吗？\n5 答：一切皆有可能，所以谁知道呢。\n6 问：我的问题是，你并不一定预期\n7 结果会是那样？\n8 法庭：该问题已问过并回答完毕。继续下一个问题。\n9 问：事实上，你记得自己告诉过政府方，\n10 你之所以参与是因为你认为这有助于唤醒人们，\n11 对吗？\n12 答：在当时，是的。\n13 问：帮助他们看清中共的运作方式？\n14 答：至少让人们了解更多。\n15 问：当然。并帮助他们理解真相，对吗？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：现在你在中国还有家人吗？\n18 答：你是说直系亲属，不是亲戚吗？\n19 问：任何家人。\n20 答：表亲、叔叔，诸如此类的。\n21 问：那你丈夫呢，他在中国也有家人\n22 吗？\n23 答：有的。\n24 问：你和他们通话吗？你和他们保持联系吗？\n25 答：我丈夫的家人，实际上他们说方言，我都听\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 不懂。他们的语言，我听不懂。他们\n2 有一些方言。\n3 问：自 2001 年离开后，你回中国探望过任何人吗？\n4 答：2001 年，探望过。\n5 问：你是什么时候回中国的？\n6 答：我回去过很多次。\n7 问：你回去探望过很多次？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：我只是想逐一过一遍。告诉我你是什么时候回去探望的？\n10 答：几乎每年都回。\n11 问：从 2001 年起大约每年一次？\n12 答：是的。头两年可能没有，但之后都是。\n13 问：那么在 2000 年，你至少回去过一次？\n14 答：2000 年？\n15 问：抱歉，2020 年。\n16 答：COVID-19（新冠疫情）期间没有。我是指在 COVID-19 之前。\n17 问：在新冠疫情之前。好的。明白了。在 2019 年，你至少\n18 回去过一次？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：是不止一次吗？\n21 答：有时不止一次。\n22 问：那自新冠疫情以来，你回去过吗？\n23 答：自那以后？\n24 问：嗯。\n25 答：我父亲去世了。我不想回去了。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 问：所以自新冠疫情以来你再没回去过？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：为了准备你今天在这里的作证，你曾多次\n4 与政府律师及执法人员会面，\n5 对吗？\n6 答：好几次。\n7 问：好几次？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：你记得有多少次吗？\n10 答：我没有数过。\n11 问：好吧，看看我们能不能列出一张清单。\n12 你是否记得在 2022 年 11 月底曾与\n13 FBI（联邦调查局）进行过一次电话访谈？\n14 答：2022 年，也许吧。我记不清时间了。\n15 问：你记得你第一次与 FBI 或司法部的人员\n16 通话是什么时候吗？\n17 答：我不记得了，但是，是的。\n18 问：大约在 2022 年？\n19 答：是的，2022 年，我不记得具体时间了。\n20 问：2022 年底？\n21 答：你是说两次吗？\n22 问：意思是接近 2022 年底的时候。\n23 答：也许吧。\n24 问：那在 2024 年 1 月呢？\n25 答：发生什么了？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 问：我是在问你，你是否与美国政府的\n2 代表会面了？\n3 答：也许吧。\n4 问：今天早些时候通过 Webex 对你进行提问的\n5 这位 Fergenson 先生？\n6 答：我不记得了，1 月还是 2 月。我不确定。\n7 问：那在 2024 年 4 月呢，你是否与 Fergenson 先生\n8 进行过当面访谈？\n9 答：你是说线上吗？\n10 问：不，是和他当面进行的访谈。\n11 答：面对面吗？\n12 问：两种方式都算。\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：然后是在 5 月中旬，5 月 17 日，又进行了一次？\n15 答：5 月中旬 17 号？\n16 问：嗯。\n17 答：面对面、当面吗？\n18 问：女士，两种方式都算。我们就指任何形式的会面，\n19 无论是在线的——\n20 答：我只记得——\n21 问：请让我把话说完。不管是当面会面、\n22 线上会面还是电话通话。我所指的与政府会面\n23 就是这个意思。\n24 答：我不记得 5 月 17 日了，没有。\n25 问：你不记得在 5 月与他们会面过吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：我在 5 月见过 Fergenson 先生，我记不清那个具体时间，\n2 因为我们是 5 月 26 日见的面。那正好在阵亡将士纪念日前后，所以我\n3 能记得那个时间。\n4 问：那是我接下来的具体问题。所以，好吧，你在那时和他见过了。\n5 然后在 6 月 11 日，对吧，也就是两天前，又见了一次？\n6 答：今天是 13 号吗？是的。\n7 问：然后昨天为了准备作证又见了一次？\n8 答：昨天？\n9 问：你昨天和他见面了吗？\n10 答：打了个招呼，那算是一种会面吗？\n11 问：我认为那可以算作一次会面。你打招呼了？\n12 答：是的。当你只是遇到某人打个招呼，那仍然是\n13 很正常的。\n14 问：很好。总共是七次会面，对吗？\n15 答：我不知道。如果你说是七次，那就七次吧。我没有\n16 去数过。\n17 问：不管怎么说，你曾多次与他会面，对吗？\n18 答：不是很多次，是好几次。\n19 问：好的。另外，在你与他会面的期间，\n20 甚至在此之前，你向政府转发了大量的\n21 电子邮件，对吗？\n22 答：是几封，不应该是大量。\n23 问：你觉得大约有多少封？\n24 答：我不记得了。\n25 问：你不记得了，但是是几封，而不是大量？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：你看，你不可能提交那么多。你做不到，因为他们\n2 限制了你可以提交的大小和数量，所以绝对不是\n3 大量。\n4 问：好的。所以你转发这些信息是为了试图帮助\n5 他们，对吗？\n6 答：帮助大家。\n7 问：你转发这些信息是为了试图帮助美国\n8 政府，对吗？\n9 FERGENSON 律师：该问题已问过并回答过了。\n10 法庭：嗯，你的提问范围已经从他延伸到了美国\n11 政府，所以你可以回答。\n12 答：我认为是帮助大家。\n13 问：你是在帮助 Miles Guo 吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：你是在帮他？\n16 答：就是让他停止做坏事。\n17 问：好的。记录在案。\n18 现在，你在直接盘问中曾就对\n19 GTV 进行投资作证，对吗？\n20 答：通过 VOG（Voice of Guo / 郭之声）。\n21 问：而且你投资了 14,000 美元，对吗？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：那是与 Sara Wei（魏丽红）一起进行的一笔投资，对吗？\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：而且这并不是你第一次购买\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 股票，对吗？\n2 答：我能不能这么理解，Sara Wei 算是一种经纪、股票\n3 经纪。如果是这种方式，这是第一次。\n4 问：我的问题是另一回事。这并不是你第一次\n5 购买股票，对吗？\n6 你有其他投资？你还有其他股票\n7 投资，对吗？\n8 答：网上购买，是的。\n9 问：那么，你清楚购买股票伴随着一定的风险，\n10 对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：每笔投资都有一定的风险，对吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：而且，事实上，你甚至记得郭先生也说过\n15 投资总归是有一点风险的，对吗？\n16 答：但他同时也说过，他保证每一分钱。\n17 问：我希望你能听清我的问题。\n18 FERGENSON 律师：法官大人，她正在回答\n19 提问。\n20 SCHIRICK 律师：法官大人，这属于答非所问。\n21 法庭：请紧扣问题作答，不要提供\n22 额外的问题。\n23 SCHIRICK 律师：能否请法庭速记员\n24 宣读一遍刚才的问题。\n25 （法庭记录已宣读）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 法庭：你可以回答。\n2 答：据我所能记得的，他这番话是在很后期说的，不是在\n3 最开始说的。\n4 问：但他确实说过，对吧，你记得他这么说过？\n5 答：他询问我们的投资情况。在那时他并没有说\n6 这些。\n7 问：好的。现在，在进行投资之前，你从未就你的投资直接\n8 与郭先生沟通过，对吗？\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：你只与 Sara Wei 沟通过，对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：或者是为她工作的人，对吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：事实上，你把你的 14,000 美元汇给了 Wei 女士，对吗？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：正如你在直接盘问中所作证的那样，我相信你是分了\n17 几次不同的交易汇出的？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：那些交易大约是在 2020 年 5 月 21 日\n20 至 29 日之间进行的，对吗？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：其中有些转账事实上是转到了 Wei 女士的\n23 个人银行账户上，对吗？\n24 答：是她把那个账户给我的。\n25 问：是她把那个账户给你，然后你汇给她的？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu（吴敏然）\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：有些款项是汇到了 VOG（Voice of Guo / 郭之声）的银行账户，对吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：汇入 VOG 银行账户的那些款项，再次确认一下，\n5 是魏女士让你汇到那里的，对吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：那么 Guo 先生（郭文贵先生）并没有提供任何关于把钱汇往何处的\n8 具体细节，对吗？\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：所有具体指示都来自魏女士？\n11 答：但是魏女士和很多其他人，他们录了很多\n12 视频，在视频里他们说，是 Miles Guo（郭文贵）给了我们这些\n13 机会，所以我们应该永远向郭文贵表达感谢。\n14 而且郭文贵以后还会为我们创造更多类似的\n15 投资机会。\n16 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，请求以\n17 答非所问为由予以删除。\n18 法庭：再次提醒，请仔细听\n19 问题，且只回答所问的内容。因此，如果他\n20 问你最喜欢的颜色是什么。那么你可以回答\n21 任何颜色，蓝色、红色、黄色。但你不能说，而且\n22 我最喜欢的花是玫瑰。不要添加额外\n23 信息。因此前一个回答予以删除。\n24 问：所有关于把钱汇往何处的具体指示\n25 都是来自 Sara Wei（魏丽红/萨拉），对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：那么，你是否记得 GTV（GTV Media Group）私募何时截止？\n3 答：6 月。\n4 问：6 月。6 月 2 日？\n5 答：我不记得了。\n6 问：请调出作为证据的 Government Exhibit Z9（政府证据 Z9），\n7 并翻到 2020 年 6 月 2 日的记录。我认为是在\n8 第 6 页。\n9 那么，吴女士，你看到你面前屏幕上\n10 显示的内容了吗？\n11 答：你是说那张图片吗？\n12 问：没错。\n13 答：看到了。\n14 问：你能认出那是某个视频的屏幕截图吗？\n15 答：郭文贵。\n16 问：你能认出那是某个视频的屏幕截图吗？\n17 答：可能吧，是的。\n18 问：你能认出这是郭先生在 2020 年 6 月 GTV 私募结束时\n19 发布的视频吗？\n20 答：我不记得那个日期，但他确实做过那件事。\n21 问：但你确实记得这个视频？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：你记得看过一个视频？\n24 答：可能是一样的，可能是一样的。我不确定，但是的。\n25 问：那么，你早些时候作证说，在此期间你\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 相当经常地观看郭先生的视频，对吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：所以你记得看过这个视频。你认为你是在\n4 它发布的前后看到的吗？\n5 答：你说 6 月 2 日，但我不记得了。我只记得\n6 是在 6 月。\n7 问：那么，女士，我不是在问你具体的日期。\n8 我的问题是，你是否记得在它发布的\n9 前后看过它？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：谢谢。我们可以把那个撤下了。\n12 那么，你作证说，你汇给 Sara Wei 的 14,000 美元中，\n13 你收到了 92% 的退款；是这样吗？\n14 答：来自 SEC（美国证券交易委员会），是的。\n15 问：我想再谈谈 Sara Wei。\n16 你能告诉我们 Sara Wei 是谁吗？\n17 答：她是最初，可能是最初，可能吧，我不确定，\n18 但根据我的理解，她是最初与郭文贵\n19 合作的人。\n20 问：后来是否有一段时间，Sara Wei 与\n21 郭先生闹翻了？\n22 答：我猜是 2021 年。我记不太清了。那就是为什么\n23 有那场 MOS farm（香草山农场）诉 Phoenix（凤凰农场）的诉讼。\n24 问：谢谢。我们稍后会讲到那里。所以你确实记得\n25 有一段时间他们闹翻了？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：大概记得，不是非常确切。\n2 问：再次说明，女士，我不是问你确切的时间。我只是\n3 问你是否记得他们闹翻过？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：那么，我相信你刚才开始谈到了一起\n6 因那次闹翻而引起的诉讼，对吗？\n7 答：你是说由于破裂、闹翻而引起的诉讼？\n8 问：由于决裂，是的，在决裂之后发生的诉讼？\n9 答：是的，随后的。\n10 问：那是各个农场对 Sara Wei 及其\n11 农场提起的诉讼，对吗？\n12 答：Sara Wei 那时已经和郭文贵决裂了，所以\n13 我不确定郭文贵当时是否还保留她\n14 农场负责人的身份。\n15 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，请求以\n16 答非所问为由予以删除。\n17 FERGENSON 律师：法官阁下，我认为她是在非常小心地试图回答，\n18 但确实是在回答该问题。\n19 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，该回答完全答非所问。\n21 法庭：该回答予以删除。\n22 问：该诉讼是由各个农场针对 Sara Wei 的\n23 农场以及 Sara Wei 提起的？\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：那么，你知道 Mountain of Spices farm（香草山农场），\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 我相信你在直接询问中提到过的 MOS 农场，起诉了 Sara Wei，\n2 指控她窃取支持者投入农场借款\n3 项目的资金，对吗？\n4 答：应该是。\n5 问：对吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：那起诉讼是在 2021 年，对吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：如果你记得的话，那起诉讼是在哪里进行的？\n10 答：我想是在 Texas（德克萨斯州）。\n11 问：你为 MOS 农场提供了翻译服务\n12 以支持该诉讼，对吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：那起诉讼的结果——撤回。\n15 你知道那起诉讼的结果吗？\n16 答：不知道。\n17 问：所以你不知道那起诉讼的结果是\n18 对魏女士做出了 default judgment（缺席判决）？\n19 答：不知道，但我——\n20 FERGENSON 律师：反对，法官阁下。她说她\n21 不知道。\n22 法庭：已问过并已作答。\n23 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，我认为她当时还在\n24 回答的过程中。这可能会唤起她的\n25 记忆。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 FERGENSON 律师：并非如此。她说的是不知道。\n2 法庭：回答是不知道。\n3 问：那么，今天早些时候 Fergenson 先生就一些政府证据\n4 向你提问过，对吗？\n5 答：今天，没有。\n6 问：你不记得在直接询问中作证并被出示\n7 那些电子表格了吗？\n8 答：哦，你是说在这里，是的。\n9 问：是的，在这里，就在几分钟前。好的。\n10 那么，你是否与 MOS 农场达成过协议，\n11 就针对魏女士的那起诉讼\n12 提供翻译服务？\n13 答：是的。\n14 FERGENSON 律师：法官阁下，我们可以进行边裁席会商吗？\n15 法庭：好的。请上前。\n16 （续下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 （在边裁席）\n2 FERGENSON 律师：我不清楚这一连串\n3 提问的用意，但我提出请求的原因是，法官阁下，\n4 证人曾与 MOS 农场签署过保密协议（NDA）。我\n5 假定，但只是想确认一下，我们不会涉及\n6 Schirick 先生暗示她会因违反保密协议而遭到起诉\n7 或报复的任何问题。我假定情况并非如此。我不知道提问要引向何处。\n8 SCHIRICK 律师：你的假定是正确的。那不是\n9 我的用意。\n10 法庭：好的。\n11 （续下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 （在公开法庭；陪审团在场）\n2 法庭：你可以继续。\n3 由 SCHIRICK 律师继续提问：\n4 问：因此，你与 MOS 农场达成的协议是\n5 提供翻译服务，对吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：并且是提供翻译服务以支持\n8 MOS 农场针对魏女士提起的诉讼？\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：这就是为什么你能够接触到你今天早些时候\n11 作证提到的那些电子表格，对吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：现在，我们能否调出 Government Exhibit GXVN-12（政府证据 GXVN-12）。\n14 能否向上滚动一点，或者向下。\n15 可以了。谢谢。\n16 那么，吴女士，你认出这是几分钟前\n17 Fergenson 先生向你提问时\n18 你看过的文件吗？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：我想请你特别注意第 17 行，\n21 即 Fergenson 先生让你注意的、提到\n22 Abu Dhabi（阿布扎比）的那一行？\n23 答：是的。\n24 问：你看到了吗？\n25 答：看到了。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 问：那么，你并不知道是否有资金实际被汇往\n2 阿布扎比，对吗？\n3 答：从那张截图来看，就是那张截图上的金额。\n4 问：我的问题是，你本人并不知道资金是否\n5 实际被汇往了阿布扎比，对吗？\n6 答：我们只是进行核算，所以我不知道。\n7 问：对。你只是做翻译，对吗？\n8 答：这里的计算，是对数字的计算。\n9 问：好的。那么，阿布扎比旁边还有一个问号，\n10 对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：你知道为什么会有问号吗？\n13 答：因为 Sara 没有向我们提供明细，只有那张\n14 关于金额和目的地的截图。\n15 问：所以你没有明细，而且我们不知道资金是否\n16 实际被汇往了阿布扎比，对吗？\n17 FERGENSON 律师：反对提问形式。\n18 法庭：复合问题。如果你想\n19 分开问的话。\n20 问：所以你没有明细，对吗？\n21 答：至少我没有。我不知道其他人有没有。\n22 问：对。你没有明细，对吗？\n23 答：是的。\n24 法庭：已问过并已作答。\n25 问：而汇总这件电子表格里的这些信息，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 其全部目的就是为了支持针对\n2 魏女士的诉讼，对吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：我们看过的其他电子表格也是\n5 出于支持针对魏女士的诉讼这一目的，对吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：因为她被指控拿走了那笔钱，对吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，我正准备转向\n10 另一个话题。如果我们是在 11:30 休庭，这可能是一个合适的暂停点。\n12 法庭：我们要进行到中午。\n13 SCHIRICK 律师：抱歉。我之前没意识到。\n14 由 SCHIRICK 律师继续提问：\n15 问：我们可以把那个撤下了。\n16 那么，你今天早些时候作证说你是\n17 MOS 农场的成员，对吗？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：你大约是在什么时候加入 MOS 农场的？\n20 答：大概是 2020 年 5 月或 6 月。\n21 问：那个农场位于纽约这里，对吗？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：在你在 2020 年 5 月或 6 月加入的时候，你\n24 开始做义工工作，对吗？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 问：并且你做了我们刚才谈到的翻译工作？\n2 答：刚开始不是这个。\n3 问：刚开始你做了什么样的工作？\n4 答：农场里有一个翻译组，所以我加入了那个\n5 组，做一些他们要求的新闻翻译。\n6 问：还有其他类型的义工工作吗？\n7 答：修改其他一些人的文章。\n8 问：当时有其他人在做义工工作吗？\n9 答：你是说其他什么——\n10 问：农场的其他成员在做义工工作吗？\n11 答：很多人，是的。\n12 问：很多人。其他人都在做哪些类型的义工工作？\n13 答：视频。\n14 问：视频录制？\n15 答：就像媒体一样。他们还有健身组。我不知道\n16 他们做什么，就是健身，做些锻炼，健身组、\n17 宗教组、巡逻组，就是去巡逻看看是否\n18 有人说了什么不好的话，就延迟或者可能从\n19 其他农场开除。\n20 法庭：那个组叫什么名字？\n21 证人：Patrol（巡逻）。\n22 法庭：怎么拼写？\n23 证人：P-A-T-R-O-L。\n24 法庭：Patrol。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu（吴敏然）\n1 证人：巡逻。\n2 答：还有财务组、法律组、教育组。\n3 问：那教育组是做什么的？\n4 答：教育人。\n5 问：你能再进一步解释一下吗？\n6 答：我不知道。我不知道那个组，他们都在\n7 做什么。我不知道。\n8 问：还有别的吗？\n9 答：写作，但写作不像其他任何组，只是\n10 很多组内部都有写作组。\n11 问：明白了。那么，正如你在主问询中所作证的那样，后来有一段时间\n12 你向农场提供了一笔贷款，对吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：那是在2020年8月？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：金额是$20,000，对吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：Fergenson先生给你出示过那份贷款协议，对吗？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：那么我们能否调出那份贷款协议 GXVN-39。\n21 那么，你作证说你记不清在签字之前是否读过\n22 这份贷款协议了，对吗？\n23 答：我真的不记得了，因为当时太匆忙了。\n24 我是很久以前读的。\n25 问：当然。但你记不清是在签字之前还是签字之后\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 读的了，对吗？\n2 答：对。\n3 问：所以你有可能是在签字之前读的，对吗？\n4 法官：不要让她推测。\n5 SCHIRICK先生：这是一个合乎逻辑的结论。\n6 法官：不要替证人作证。\n7 问：你还作证说，你记得Guo先生（郭先生）在某个时候\n8 说过，这些贷款的收益将用于购买\n9 GTV股票，对吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：那么，你难道不记得他是在你签署这份\n12 协议之后才这么说的吗？\n13 答：我不记得了，那是很久以前的事了。\n14 问：那么，你记得郭先生说过通过该贷款项目贷出的\n15 资金是给农场的，这难道不是真的吗？\n16 答：他说利息给农场。我不知道那是\n17 什么意思，我只是记得是这样的。\n18 SCHIRICK先生：法官阁下，请求以答非所问为由\n19 予以删除。\n20 法官：嗯，我认为第一句关于利息的部分\n21 是扣题的，因此第二部分\n22 将被删除。\n23 问：那么，你记得曾告诉政府方，你当时理解\n24 农场可以将这笔钱用于它想要的任何项目，\n25 对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：Xia Qidong（夏启东）是这么说的。\n2 问：我的问题是，你是否记得曾告诉政府方\n3 那是你的理解？\n4 答：我不记得了。\n5 问：好的。让我们看看能否帮你唤起回忆。我们能否\n6 为各方当事人和证人展示 3620-10 第3页。\n7 那么，吴女士，请你在心里默读你面前的\n8 或马上就会呈现在你面前的内容，不要\n9 念出声来，读完后请告诉我？\n10 答：好的。\n11 问：这是否提醒了你，这确实是你当时告诉\n12 政府方的内容？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：所以你确实告诉过政府方，你当时的理解是\n15 农场可以用这笔钱去投资于\n16 它想要的任何项目，对吗？\n17 答：是的，但不是合同签署的时候。\n18 问：说到合同，我们为什么不回到\n19 合同上来。我们能否放大合同中的第1A条，“收益用途”。\n20\n21 这一句写道：“收益用途。根据本协议\n22 预支的贷款收益用于借款人的一般\n23 营运资金用途。”你看到了吗？\n24 答：看到了。\n25 问：本协议下的借款人是谁？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：MOS farm（新中国联邦农场）。\n2 问：我们可以把那个撤下来，或者直接缩小。保持证据\n3 呈现，但缩小回去。我们能否转到利率\n4 条款部分，这里写着利率为\n5 贷款金额的年利率百分之三，于\n6 最终到期日全额支付。你看到了吗？\n7 答：看到了。\n8 问：然后我们能否放大最终到期日。上面\n9 写着，最终到期日为自生效之日起36个月。\n10 你看到了吗？\n11 答：看到了。\n12 问：你是否理解到期日意味着贷款\n13 款项到期应付的时间？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：因此在到期日之前，贷款本息并未到期，\n16 对吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：那么，你原本是期望获得贷款利息的，对吗？\n19 答：因为当时在我要求退款的时候，\n20 已经有人拿到了百分之三。\n21 SCHIRICK先生：请求以答非所问为由予以删除。\n22 问：你不能告诉我别人跟你说了什么。我问的是\n23 你当时的理解是什么。\n24 法官：异议成立。\n25 答：我理解了，所以我只是觉得不公平，凭什么别人可以。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 问：抱歉。你能大声一点吗。\n2 答：我理解了。\n3 问：你理解那是给利息的，对吧，农场\n4 贷款是为了利息？\n5 答：那凭什么我没有？\n6 问：那是我的问题。所以你期望得到利息？\n7 答：所以，我不要了。\n8 SCHIRICK先生：法官阁下，请求删除。\n9 问：我问的是你在签署这份协议时，是否\n10 期望赚取利息？\n11 答：其实，当时只是百分之三让我很惊讶，\n12 因为之前Miles Guo（文贵）说是百分之六。\n13 SCHIRICK先生：法官阁下，再次请求删除。\n14 法官：两次回答均予删除。我希望你\n15 仔细听问题，法庭记录员可以重读\n16 问题，你只回答所问的问题即可。\n17 （重读记录）\n18 答：并不算期望。\n19 问：女士，当你与政府方会面时，你是否记得\n20 告诉过他们，你因为没拿到利息而感到生气？\n21 答：没有。\n22 问：让我们看看能否帮你回忆一下。我们能否调出\n23 ——\n24 FERGENSON先生：法官阁下，对发表评论提出异议。\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 法官：不要替证人作证。问她是否有\n2 任何东西可以唤起她的回忆。\n3 问：我们是否可以给你展示一份文件来\n4 帮助唤起你的记忆？\n5 答：我不确定。\n6 SCHIRICK先生：法官阁下，我们可以吗？\n7 法官：可以。\n8 问：请调出 3620-10 第3页。在我们等待\n9 的时候，你的印象是其他人拿到了\n10 利息，对吗？\n11 答：我知道有一些人拿到了，是的。\n12 问：基于此，你期望拿到利息？\n13 答：没有。\n14 问：你没期望拿到利息？别人拿到了，但\n15 你没期望拿到利息？\n16 法官：已经问过并回答过了。\n17 问：那么，根据贷款协议，贷款\n18 金额和任何应计利息都是在该到期日支付的，这难道不是真的吗，\n19 对吗？\n20 FERGENSON先生：已经问过并回答过了。\n21 法官：你可以回答那个问题。其实，\n22 不用。我确实记得你问过这个问题，因此异议\n23 成立。\n24 问：那么，吴女士，你曾试图在到期日之前\n25 终止贷款协议，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO2 Minran Wu\n1 答：是的，我试图这么做。有人这么做了，所以我也试图这么做。\n2 问：事实上，你确实在到期日之前终止了\n3 贷款协议，对吗？\n4 答：是的，跟着别人做。\n5 问：基于此，你无权获得任何利息，\n6 对吗？我们刚才读过合同了，对吗？\n7 答：对。\n8 问：你的理解是否是，基于你的提前\n9 终止，你无权获得利息？\n10 FERGENSON先生：在不要求得出法律结论\n11 的范围内，没有异议。\n12 法官：是她的理解，但显然不是\n13 法律结论。你可以回答你的理解是什么。\n14 答：我当时在要求退款时的理解是，\n15 我只是觉得这是非法的，所以我不再想要那百分之三的\n16 利息了，那是违法所得。\n17 问：你在主问询中作证说你没有拿到你那百分之三\n18 的利息，对吗？\n19 答：我那么说是因为他们没有表现出任何要给\n20 我的意图，所以我没拿到，而且我也不想要了。\n21 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反问询\n1 SCHIRICK先生：法官阁下，请求删除。\n2 FERGENSON先生：我是说，法官阁下，我们也已经涉及\n3 这一点了，所以也许我们可以继续——\n4 法官：回答予以删除。\n5 由SCHIRICK先生继续问询：\n6 问：那么你签署了一份贷款协议的解除协议，\n7 对吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：而且农场实际上把你的贷款退还了；你收回了全部\n10 $20,000，对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：好的。那么在我们看过的、刚才审阅过的\n13 协议中，没有任何一处说你向农场提供 $20,000 的贷款\n14 就可以获得 GTV 股票，对吗？\n15 答：他们用 GTV 股票来诱惑我购买、参与这个\n16 贷款项目，所以是的，我明白合同上没有 GTV，\n17 但是——\n18 问：合同中没有任何地方提及 GTV 股票，对吗？\n19 答：所以那是个骗局。\n20 问：对。而且事实上，你记得在与政府方的\n21 其中一次会面中告诉过他们，郭先生说过\n22 农场的钱是给农场的，不仅仅是 TV，只是——请原谅。\n23 撤回。\n24 你记得在与政府方的一次会面中告诉过他们，\n25 郭先生说过农场贷款的资金\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反问询\n1 是给农场的——\n2 FERGENSON先生：我认为这已经问过并回答过了。\n3 问：——不是给 GTV 的。\n4 FERGENSON先生：我认为这已经问过并回答过了。\n5 法官：我准许她回答这个问题。\n6 答：不是在签合同的时候说的；后来他们才这么说的。\n7 问：我的问题是：你是否记得曾告诉政府方，\n8 那是你当时的理解？\n9 答：我告诉了政府方，但我当时没有，在那个时候。\n10 我的意思是，我应该告诉政府方他们是在合同之后\n11 才这么说的，所以——\n12 问：那不是你告诉政府方的内容，对吗？\n13 法官：她已经就她告诉政府方的内容作证了。\n14 答：因为政府方没有问那个。\n15 SCHIRICK先生：法官阁下，目前没有待决的问题。\n16\n17 FERGENSON先生：嗯，那他只是在跟证人\n18 争辩，所以——\n19 法官：继续。\n20 问：那么你早些时候作证说，你是通过一家\n21 名为 Wonder Invest 的公司进行投资的；是这样吗？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：那家公司是你丈夫设立的，对吗？\n24 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反问询\n1 问：那么在发放农场贷款之前，你和你丈夫商量过吗？\n2\n3 答：商量过。\n4 问：你丈夫审阅过合同吗？\n5 答：合——当时 Wonder Invest 是我的。\n6 问：女士，我的问题是：你丈夫审阅过\n7 合同吗？\n8 答：这是我的合同。为什么我需要我丈夫来审阅\n9 合同？我不明白这个问题。\n10 问：这是一个简单的问题。他要么审阅了，要么没审阅。\n11 所以我的问题是：他当时审阅了吗？\n12 答：是我自己告诉他的。他没有审阅，但我告诉了他。\n13 问：好的。但是你把这件事告诉了他。\n14 答：对。\n15 问：好的。那么你作证说——撤回。\n16 那么你在向政府方提出第一次控告之前，\n17 实际上就已经收到了农场贷款资金的退款；\n18 是这样吗？\n19 答：是的。我不记得我向政府方投诉的\n20 时间了。可能是的，是的。\n21 SCHIRICK先生：好的。现在我想简要回到\n22 GX VN39。如果我们能翻到第——翻到这份文件\n23 末尾的附录。\n24 并滚动到底部，但不要——但不包括\n25 最后一页。请再往下一页。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 开始吧。\n2 SCHIRICK 律师提问：\n3 问：现在您回想起来 Fergenson 律师向您出示过这份文件了吗？\n4 答：想起来了。\n5 问：好的。Fergenson 律师指出，该贷款\n6 协议是由农场的代表于 2021年11月签署的，\n7 对吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：而这份签署的文件，这份补充协议是您大约在\n10 同一时间签署的，对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：大约三天后。\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：对。\n15 SCHIRICK 律师：请把画面切回到补充协议的\n16 第一页。\n17 问：而这份您在签署第一份贷款合同一年多后\n18 才签署的补充协议，您作证说这份您也\n19 没有审阅？\n20 答：几乎没有。\n21 问：所以您在某种程度上还是审阅了。\n22 答：我只是审阅了应该由我填写的地方——例如我的\n23 姓名、时间。\n24 问：好的。您审阅了它，而且您实际上还附上了——\n25 我们不会展示这个，但您还附上了一份\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 您的驾照复印件，对吗？\n2 答：他们要求的。\n3 问：当然。那是要求的，对吧？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：好的。所以您有时间填写并复印了\n6 您的驾照。那么您是通过电子邮件把这个寄回的吗？\n7\n8 FERGENSON 律师：法官阁下，反对证人式陈述（objection to testifying）。\n9 如果他对此有疑问，他可以直接问。\n10 法庭：我在等问题。\n11 问：问题是：您是通过电子邮件将这个发回的吗？\n12 答：我不记得了。可能是发给 G 服务的志愿者。\n13 法庭：那是什​​么，G 服务志愿者？\n14 证人：哦，抱歉。G 系列（G series），G 系列。很多\n15 G，GTV、G Fashion、G Club，全都在一起，G 系列。\n16 法庭：请继续。\n17 问：所以有可能您是把这份纸质硬拷贝交给了\n18 另一个人？\n19 答：没有。\n20 法庭：所以不要问她可能发生什么。\n21 问她实际发生了什么。\n22 问：您是否记得自己是否那样做过？您是否将纸质硬拷贝\n23 交给了另一个人？\n24 答：没交，不是亲手交的。不是亲手。\n25 问：女士，那您是如何递交的？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 FERGENSON 律师：已问过且已回答（Asked and answered）。\n2 SCHIRICK 律师：只是想弄清楚这是如何\n3 寄回的。\n4 法庭：你已经问过这个问题了。\n5 问：所以您的证词是，在签署这份补充协议后的\n6 任何时候，您都没有更仔细地审阅过它？\n7 答：没有。\n8 问：您从未审阅过它。\n9 答：我审阅了一部分。\n10 问：好的。\n11 答：只是那个 3%，类似那样。\n12 问：您作证说，关于最初的贷款协议，您面临着\n13 一些时间压力。而关于这份补充协议，并没有\n14 任何施加在您身上的时间压力，是吗？\n15 答：有。\n16 问：有？\n17 答：我家里的事情。我家里的事情。\n18 问：所以并不是郭先生（Mr. Guo）对您施加了任何时间压力。\n19 对吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：对吧？农场的任何人都没有对您施加时间压力，对吧？\n22\n23 答：他们要求在几天之内寄回。\n24 问：当然。您认为几天时间足够审阅一份\n25 四页的合同吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 答：如果仔细看，逐条、逐字看，是不够的。\n2 问：四天时间不够审阅一份四页的合同？\n3 FERGENSON 律师：已问过且已回答。\n4 法庭：已问过且已回答，不要做证人式陈述。\n5 SCHIRICK 律师：好的。好的。\n6 问：那么据您所说，您最早是在什么时候详细审阅了\n7 贷款协议或补充协议？\n8 答：你能再重复一遍吗。\n9 问：当然。\n10 法庭：你是在问她何时对合同进行了\n11 彻底审阅吗？\n12 SCHIRICK 律师：是的，法官阁下。\n13 法庭：以及补充协议？\n14 SCHIRICK 律师：没错，法官阁下。\n15 法庭：好的。请继续。\n16 答：你的意思是仔细审阅这份文件？\n17 问：没错。问的就是这个。\n18 答：不是逐条看的。可能只是看了一部分。\n19 SCHIRICK 律师：请求撤销该回答（Move to strike），法官阁下。\n20 法庭：该回答已被撤销。问题是\n21 什么时候。\n22 证人：什么时候。我不记得是什么时候了。\n23 问：好的。在您与检察官会面之前，您是否曾经\n24 仔细审阅过它？\n25 答：审阅过。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 问：那大约是什么时候？\n2 答：大约是在我要求退款的时候。\n3 问：大约是在您要求——您打算要求退款的时候，\n4 对吧？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：好的。您对里面的内容感到惊讶吗？\n7 答：倒没有那么惊讶。\n8 问：是的，没有那么惊讶，对吧？\n9 答：因为我——\n10 FERGENSON 律师：法官阁下——\n11 答：——很多人已经就这份合同说了些情况。\n12\n13 SCHIRICK 律师：好的。我进行下一个问题。\n14 现在，我要换——我要换个话题了，\n15 法官阁下。现在是合适的时间还是我们继续？\n16 法庭：好的，是的。现在时间正好。\n17 现在是 11:55。\n18 那么休庭休息。我们 12:30 返回。\n19 记住不要在你们之间或与任何其他人讨论\n20 本案。不要允许任何人在你们面前讨论\n21 本案。不要阅读、观看或收听来自任何渠道的、\n22 与本次审理的标的事项有关的\n23 任何内容。\n24 你们可以退庭了。请勿讨论您的证词。\n25 （陪审团不在场；证人不在场）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 法庭：请就座。\n2 在我们 12:30 返回之前，各方是否有任何事项\n3 要提出？\n4 FERGENSON 律师：检方没有。\n5 SCHIRICK 律师：辩方没有，法官阁下。\n6 法庭：好的。\n7 （午休）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 下午庭审\n2 下午 12:30\n3 法庭：请带陪审员入庭。\n4 （陪审团在场）\n5 法庭：请就座。\n6 您可以继续进行反诘问。\n7 女士，请记住您仍处于宣誓状态。\n8 证人：是的。\n9 SCHIRICK 律师：谢谢法官阁下。\n10 SCHIRICK 律师提问：\n11 问：我想简要谈谈喜币（H Coin）。\n12 我想您作证说过您在 2021年4月购买了喜币，\n13 对吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：您购买了价值 $4,500 的喜币；是这样吗？\n16 答：你是说总共？\n17 问：对。\n18 答：不止那些。\n19 问：好的。总共是多少？\n20 答：加上 5% 的佣金，加上 35 其它费用。\n21 问：抱歉。您能大点声吗。加上什么？\n22 答：喜币费用，加上 5% 的佣金，加上 35 其它\n23 费用。\n24 问：对。我的问题只是您在喜币上花了多少钱。\n25 是超过 4500 还是 4500？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 答：我有四——44,500，对吧？那么单纯喜币\n2 应该就是 4,450。\n3 问：对。好的。所以您花了——我的理解是否正确，\n4 您在喜币上花了 $4,500？\n5 答：是的，仅限喜币。\n6 问：是的。好的。我问的就只有这些。\n7 SCHIRICK 律师：好的。现在请调出\n8 政府方证据 VN37。\n9 问：吴女士（Ms. Wu），这是——我相信这是\n10 Fergenson 律师在主询问中向您出示的证据。\n11 好的。现在您还记得早些时候 Fergenson 律师就这份文件\n12 向您提问了一些问题吗？\n13 答：记得。\n14 问：好的。这上面第 1 页反映出您购买了\n15 44,500 枚币，对吗？\n16 答：是的。\n17 法庭：请把麦克风靠近\n18 您的嘴。\n19 证人：好的。\n20 法庭：您可以拉它，可以挪动它。\n21 证人：好的。\n22 问：好的。然后 Fergenson 律师问了您一些关于\n23 您对这份文件的理解的问题，对吗？\n24 答：理解这份合同？\n25 问：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：好的。在您签署这份文件时，您的理解是否是，\n3 向您提供喜币的部分原因\n4 是由于您为农场做的志愿者工作？\n5 答：他们已经加到这 44,500 这个数字里了。\n6 问：对。我的问题稍有不同。我的问题\n7 是：您是否理解，向您提供购买这个数量的\n8 喜币的机会，其原因部分是基于您\n9 为农场做的志愿者工作？\n10 答：不，我不理解那个。我从来——我从来没听说过\n11 那事。\n12 问：您不理解那个？您在主询问中作证说存在一个\n13 确定您将获配币数的公式，\n14 我说得对吗？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：那个公式难道不部分包括了您为农场\n17 或为联盟（the Alliance）做了多少志愿者工作吗？\n18 答：对于农场，那个公式不包括这个——这个\n19 志愿者工作，喜币。我不知道该怎么称呼它。\n20 问：好的。据您所知，它包括了什么？\n21 答：那个公式计算出的数字，在当时，后来\n22 当我需要为这笔喜币付款时，G 系列志愿者\n23 告诉我应该付多少钱，并且告诉我类似我\n24 应该拿到多少枚喜币。\n25 问：好的。在与那位志愿者的对话中，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 他们是否问了关于您的志愿者工作？\n2 答：问我的志愿者工作？为了什么？我是说——\n3 问：如果我说错了您可以纠正我，但我的\n4 理解是您就喜币的配额问题与一位志愿者\n5 进行过对话。到目前为止我说的对吗？\n6 答：不是讨论；只是发信息给我，只是让我知道。\n7 问：好的。是通过 Discord 吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：好的。如果可以的话，我就将其称为讨论。\n10\n11 答：好的。\n12 问：好的。那么在那个 Discord 讨论中，该志愿者\n13 是否提及了您为农场做的志愿者工作？\n14 答：没有。\n15 问：好的。现在您是否记得曾告诉政府方，您的\n16 理解是您的志愿者工作计入了\n17 币额分配公式？\n18 答：不记得。\n19 问：您不记得那个了？\n20 答：你的意思是我告诉政府关于我为喜币\n21 做的志愿者工作？\n22 问：对。您不记得曾向政府方那样说过。\n23 答：我——我——不记得了。\n24 问：好的。如果我给您看一份文件会有帮助吗？\n25 SCHIRICK 律师：能否请调出 3620-17。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘问\n1 Jorge，能否请我们在那里高亮相关部分。\n2 证人：噢，我想起这个了。\n3 问：这是否能唤起您的记忆，即您的志愿者工作\n4 是确定您喜币配额的公式的一部分？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：好的。太好了。我们可以把那个撤下了。\n7 好的。所以获得这笔喜币配额，在当时\n8 您的理解中，是对您志愿者工作的一个机会或奖励，\n9 对吗？\n10 答：在 G 系列志愿者给了我那个数字之后我才知道这个。\n11 当时我对这个数字觉得很奇怪，\n12 后来，有人告诉了我这件事。\n13 问：所以您的证词是，您当时并不明白\n14 您是因为做了志愿者工作才获得购买喜币的\n15 机会，您只是事后才知道的？\n16 只是想澄清一下。\n17 FERGENSON 律师：我认为这曲解了证词。\n18 但是——\n19 法庭：你可以回答。\n20 答：我想当我收到 Discord 消息时，我有点\n21 困惑，我只是跟那个志愿者工作人员\n22 确认了数字，他们说一切正确，然后我就付了\n23 钱，但后来，我问了别人，他们就说，\n24 那是你的奖励。\n25 问：所以他们用了“奖励（reward）”这个词，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 问。是的。付款之后，我——我明白了这一点。\n2 问。好的。但这就是你的理解，即这是给你的一项福利，\n3 作为你部分工作的奖励，对吗？\n4\n5 弗根森先生（MR. FERGENSON）：仅就形式提出异议。\n6 法庭：你可以回答。\n7 答。是的。\n8 问。好的。那么在你签署的时候——抱歉。\n9 希里克先生（MR. SCHIRICK）：豪尔赫（Jorge），我们能把那个重新调出来吗，第\n10 37号。抱歉。\n11 问。在你签署这份文件的时候，你读过这个吗，你读过这份文件吗？\n12\n13 答。刚才已经说了，那时候我已经想要退款了，所以我\n14 没注意，但我需要签字；我需要先签\n15 这个。\n16 问。好的。所以这份你也同样没有读。\n17 答。没有真正读过。\n18 问。好的。而你的证词是，在你签署这份文件时，\n19 你已经决定要离开这场运动了，\n20 对吗？你感到不安。\n21 答。我没有——我当时还没有决定离开这场\n22 运动，因为我认为即使我要回了所有的钱，我\n23 仍然可以留在这个群体里，对吧？所以当时我还没有\n24 决定离不离开。那是2021年。\n25 问。所以你可能——如果你拿回了所有的钱，你可能\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 仍然会留在这场运动中；是这样吗？\n2 弗根森先生：要求推测。\n3 希里克先生：法官阁下（your Honor），我相信这就是她刚才说的。\n4\n5 法庭：我认为你可以回答。请讲。\n6 答。我没有——我当时还没有做出最终决定。\n7 最终决定是在2022年才做出的。\n8 问。对。但那就是你当时考虑的。你当时正在\n9 考虑即使拿回了钱也留在这场运动中，\n10 对吗？\n11 答。是的。有些人，他们什么都没付，但仍然在\n12 群体里。\n13 问。对。好的。那么有没有——在你会见检察官之前，\n14 有没有某个时候你确实阅读了这份文件？\n15 答。你的意思是——你能重复一遍吗。\n16 问。当然。在你会见检察官之前，有没有某个时候你读过这份文件，\n17 就是你屏幕上的这份？\n18 答。是的。\n19 问。所以你在某个时候确实读过这份文件。\n20 答。是的，某个时候，不是全部。\n21 问。那是什么时候？\n22 答。在我要求退款的时候。\n23 问。好的。那么我相信你作证说，当你要——当到了要求\n24 退款的时候，你读了你的农场借款协议，\n25 对吗？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 答。不是全部，读了部分，是的。\n2 问。一共有多少份农场借款协议？\n3 答。我的意思是，这份合同，有好几页，对吧？\n4 那很长。所以——\n5 问。好吧，我们数一数。一共有多少页？如果\n6 我们翻一下的话。两页。三页。四页。五页。六页。\n7 答。是的。\n8 问。五页加上一页签名页。\n9 答。是的。\n10 问。我数得对吗？\n11 答。是的。\n12 问。对吗？好的。那么你作为为农场工作的一部分，\n13 你曾是一名翻译，对吗？\n14 答。是的。\n15 问。你把文件从普通话翻译成英语？\n16 答。英译中，中译英。\n17 问。是的，当然。双向的？\n18 答。是的。\n19 问。是的。合情合理。那么对于一份五页的文件，你要花\n20 多长时间来翻译？\n21 答。这有大量的术语，金融或法律，法律\n22 术语。我不想翻。当时我已经考虑\n23 离开了，所以我为什么还要在这上面花很多时间？\n24 问。所以当你在Sara Wei（魏丽红）诉讼案中为Mountains of Spices（香草山农场）\n25 做翻译工作时——你还记得我们今天早些时候谈过\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 这个吗？\n2 答。记得。\n3 问。好的。那么，可以公允地说那些材料里有大量的法律\n4 和法律术语吗？\n5 答。实际上，助理做了这部分的大量工作。\n6 问。好的。\n7 答。我只是——只是直白翻译以及做一些数字的\n8 计算。\n9 问。好的。所以听起来——可以公允地说\n10 你的翻译技能有限吗？\n11 答。不是有限。我没有那个时间。我没有那么多时间，\n12 很多时间。那个助理总是熬夜做\n13 这个，在那之后，在那之后——\n14 问。抱歉。请继续。\n15 答。在那之后，她就是觉得太累了，她就让我\n16 帮她一些，做点事，所以——\n17 问。好的。而你当时——我相信你作证说你当时没有\n18 受雇工作，对吗？在你签署这份\n19 协议的时候，你已经退休了？\n20 答。重要，退休？你是说我自己退休？\n21 问。是的。\n22 答。是的。\n23 问。好的。所以你的证词是，你退休了，但是\n24 你没有时间去读一份五页的文件？\n25 答。当时我说过我的家庭问题。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 问。好的。那么有没有人——撤回。\n2 没有人向你施压要你赶快\n3 签署这份文件，对吗？\n4 答。是的。\n5 问。我相信你作证说，你签署这份文件是在数周\n6 甚至数月之后，对吗？\n7 答。数月，因为几个月后，他们才给我们这个，\n8 合同。\n9 问。但你已经把钱汇出去了，对吗？\n10 答。当时什么都没有；没有合同，没有协议，什么都没有。\n11 问。对。\n12 答。是的。\n13 问。所以你当时有机会审阅该协议；并不\n14 急于把钱付进去，对吧，因为钱已经\n15 付进去了？\n16 答。钱已经付了。\n17 问。对。\n18 答。是的。\n19 问。所以你当时有时间审阅协议，不是吗？\n20 答。如果我不签字，我能拿回我的钱吗？\n21 问。女士，你能试着回答我的问题吗？\n22 答。好的，是的。审阅？有吗？\n23 问。你有时间的，对吗？\n24 答。是的。\n25 问。好的。这就是我想问的全部。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 那么正如你之前作证的那样，你曾经——到了某个\n2 时候——抱歉——你要求了退款，对吧，针对购买H\n3 Coin（喜币）的款项？\n4 答。是的。\n5 问。对。而且你跟进了一名志愿者几次以\n6 获得退款，对吗？\n7 答。是的。\n8 问。那大约是在2023年1月，对吗？\n9 答。1月？你是说我拿到退款的时间？\n10 问。不。是你跟进志愿者的事。时间\n11 是，你跟进志愿者的时候，大约在\n12 2023年1月。\n13 答。我还是不明白。2023年1月。\n14 问。你记得你什么时候拿到退款的吗？\n15 答。我记得应该是在3月。\n16 问。你收到了退款，对吧，拿回了\n17 钱？\n18 答。一部分。\n19 问。好的。而你所指的是，你没有拿回\n20 你认为是费用的200美元左右，对吗？\n21 答。5%的佣金费和——\n22 问。对。但除了5%的\n23 佣金之外，你拿回了其他所有款项，对吗？\n24 答。仅仅只是喜币而已。你一开始让我\n25 计算的。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 问。对。好的。\n2 刚才你提到你通过Wonder Invest（美奇投资）进行了投资，对吧？你作证说过这个？\n3\n4 答。不是喜币。\n5 问。好的。但你确实通过它对农场和GTV进行了投资？\n6 你是通过它发放了农场借款——\n7 答。VOG（Voice of Guo/华盛顿之声），对吧？你是说VOG？有一笔转账，是的，是通过Wonder\n8 Invest。\n9 问。好的。还有农场借款？\n10 答。是的。\n11 问。好的。那么Wonder Invest是否——撤回。\n12 你是否——Wonder Invest是否投资了其他任何东西，\n13 除了——我想也就是你所说的G系列\n14 投资之外？\n15 答。你问到我自己的公司；这样可以吗？\n16 问。是的。我没意见。\n17 答。好的。是的。\n18 问。我的问题是：它是否投资了其他任何东西？\n19 答。我自己的公司？\n20 问。是的。\n21 答。是的。\n22 问。好的。什么东西？\n23 答。股票。\n24 问。什么种类的股票？\n25 答。就是某种——\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 问。比如证券交易所里的股票？\n2 答。对，对，就是市场上的股票。\n3 问。哪种投资，哪种股票？\n4 答。哪种股票？你是说领域，什么领域？\n5 问。对。我们不如这样：那些其他\n6 投资值多少钱？\n7 答。全部加在一起？\n8 问。是的。\n9 答。包括已经卖掉的？\n10 问。我们为什么不——\n11 弗根森先生：法官阁下，仅就相关性提出\n12 异议。\n13 法庭：你是在问她目前的投资组合\n14 价值多少吗？\n15 希里克先生：法官阁下，她作证说她通过这家公司进行了\n16 投资，所以我只是想弄清楚\n17 该公司还投资了其他什么。\n18 弗根森先生：仅就相关性提出异议。\n19 法庭：你可以问那个问题。\n20 答。我不记得了。我——就是——\n21 问。好的。\n22 答。你想要一份对账单吗？我无法——\n23 问。女士，我只是问你记忆中\n24 还投资了其他什么。\n25 弗根森先生：她说她记不得了。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 法庭：她不记得了。继续吧。\n2 问。刚才你作证说这是你的公司，但你不是\n3 也在主询问中作证说，是你丈夫把这家公司给你纯粹让你\n4 玩的吗？\n5 答。是的。\n6 问。好的。那么里面大约有多少钱可供你\n7 玩？\n8 答。和你问的一样的问题，就像有多少股票，\n9 对吧？\n10 问。不是。\n11 弗根森先生：基于相关性提出异议，法官阁下。\n12 法庭：你是在问她丈夫\n13 给了她多少钱去玩吗？\n14 希里克先生：嗯，这个实体中拥有的、供她玩用的资产和现金\n15 的价值是多少；\n16 这是我的问题。\n17 法庭：你可以回答。\n18 答。就是公司，账户本身。\n19 问。好的。你无法给我一个具体的美元金额，对吗？\n20 答。给你一美元？\n21 问。金额。一个美元金额。你能听懂我说话吗？\n22 答。我明白。那只是公司的银行账户。就\n23 这个账户。就像你开立了账户，然后你拥有那个\n24 账户。\n25 问。当然。但你不会告诉我美元金额，但是\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 账户——\n2 弗根森先生：异议。\n3 法庭：不要发表证言。只提问题。\n4 希里克先生：好的。行。好的。我们换下\n5 一个话题。\n6 问。刚才弗根森先生问了你一些问题，关于\n7 你是否知道你在Himalaya Exchange（喜马拉雅交易所）上拥有喜币。你\n8 还记得吗？\n9 答。我——我听不清你说的话，整句话。你能再重复\n10 一遍吗。只是，我——\n11 问。好的。没问题。那么早些时候当弗根森先生\n12 对你进行主询问时，你作证说——\n13 答。嗯。\n14 问。——他问你是否知道你的喜币是否曾存在于\n15 喜马拉雅交易所。你还记得吗？\n16 答。记得。\n17 问。好的。你说了没有，对吗？\n18 答。是的。我没有账户。\n19 问。好的。而且你查过了，对吗？\n20 答。查了什么？\n21 问。女士，我刚才问的问题是，你是否查验过你的喜币是否在喜马拉雅\n22 交易所上。\n23 弗根森先生：已经问过并回答过了。\n24 希里克先生：她没有回答。\n25 法庭：你可以回答。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反诘\n\n1 答。你是说查验？\n2 法庭：不。他是在问你是否查验过；你\n3 有没有询问，有没有查证。\n4 证人：我没有账户。我去哪里查？\n5 问。所以答案是你没有查过，对吗？\n6 答。我没地方可查。我不知道该——该——问\n7 哪一个。\n8 问。你给谁打过电话吗？\n9 答。我问了那里的义工，他们说他们不\n10 知道。\n11 问。好的。你曾出售过你的任何喜币吗？\n12 答。我手里没有喜币。我怎么卖？我手里\n13 没有。我无法控制它。我怎么能卖出\n14 任何东西？\n15 问。嗯，这就是问题所在。所以答案是没有。\n16 答。好的。\n17 法庭：行了。不要告诉她\n18 答案应该是什么。你提问，她回答；你\n19 不能替证人作证，她也不能提问题。\n20 希里克先生：好的。\n21 问。我们来谈谈你的G/CLUBS（G俱乐部）会员资格。\n22 那么你最初是通过G/CLUBS\n23 发布视频了解到G/CLUBS的吗？\n24 答。我是从Miles Guo（郭文贵）的视频中知道G Club的。\n25 问。从他的——那么你还记得发布——抱歉。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 撤回。\n\n2 您是否记得观看过 G/CLUBS 的发布视频？\n\n3 答：Miles Guo（郭文贵）抽雪茄的那部，是那部吗？\n\n4 问：您明白我说的发布视频是什么意思吗？\n\n5 答：明白。\n\n6 问：好的。您认为我是什么意思？\n\n7 答：我只记得他在那个视频里就在抽雪茄。是那部吗？\n\n8 SCHIRICK 律师：提请基于答非所问予以删除。\n\n9 法庭：驳回。她是在问您是否指的是郭先生在抽雪茄的视频。\n\n11 SCHIRICK 律师：不如我们把事情简化一下，调出那个视频。证物 GX C148-V1。请跳到时间戳 3:28。我们只播放几秒钟。\n\n14 FERGENSON 律师：法官阁下，我认为 Schirick 律师可能要调出的是 GX C9。我可能听错了，但我认为那是该证物。\n\n17 法庭：好的，您可以与他协商。\n\n18 （律师协商）\n\n19 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，我们可以到法官席前吗？\n\n20 法庭：可以。\n\n21 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 （在法官席旁）\n\n2 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，我们只是想记录在案，3500号材料显示该证人至少有一次、也许更多次是在有翻译陪同的情况下与控方见面的，而且她似乎一直难以理解问题、直接提问。因此我们想申请一名翻译。\n\n8 FERGENSON 律师：我从没对她使用过翻译。我在通话中安排了一名候命翻译，因为当我们初次与某人交谈时，并不清楚他们的英语水平。\n\n12 法庭：那么是否有任何执法人员，无论是您还是其他人，曾使用过翻译？\n\n14 FERGENSON 律师：据我所知没有。\n\n15 法庭：在我看来，她非常聪明且英语流利。可能有点不连贯，但我感觉她能听懂您说的每一个字。而且她很擅长见招拆招。\n\n19 SCHIRICK 律师：嗯，恕我不能苟同。我认为我们不得不屡次重新表述问题以求表达清楚。法官阁下此前基于答非所问删除了她证词中的多处回答。这要么表明她蓄意不回答问题，要么表明她没有理解。\n\n25 法庭：她反对您的委托人，并且她想让全世界知道她的想法。所以，没错，她可能在抵触您，但这与语言无关。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，我认为，您知道——\n\n4 SHROFF 律师：法官阁下，我认为曾有一处，有人问她何时看过某份文件或类似的问题，而她的回答表明她以为问的是该文件实际制作的时间，而不是她看到的时间。我们只是认为，由于直接询问经过了准备所以进行得更顺畅，而在反向询问中，她似乎不太理解行话或问题。而且，您瞧，她想怎么应答过招都行。她很有趣。这点我承认。\n\n13 法庭：她聪明得很，而如果您听不懂问题，您是不可能表现得聪明的。\n\n15 SHROFF 律师：嗯——\n\n16 SCHIRICK 律师：或者是通过假装听不懂问题来耍聪明。\n\n18 法庭：这很有可能，但我并不觉得她存在语言障碍。我认为她是对您的委托人有意见，并且她在向您表明这一点。您必须应对熟练，必须敏捷。规矩就是这样。\n\n23 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 （在公开法庭）\n\n2 由 SCHIRICK 律师进行询问：\n\n3 问：好的。现在我们要给您播放一段视频，您只需告诉我您是否认得它，好吗？\n\n5 答：好的。\n\n6 问：如果您不——吴女士，如果您听不懂我用的某个词或某个词组，请随时告诉我，我很乐意重新表述，好吗？\n\n9 答：好的。\n\n10 （播放视频，仅供证人观看）\n\n11 问：好的。您是否认得那是 G/CLUBS 的发布视频？\n\n13 答：我不记得了。\n\n14 问：好的。当时您相当定期地观看郭先生的直播，对吗？\n\n16 答：太多了。我不可能每一个都记得。\n\n17 问：是的。我相信。\n\n那么后来到了您购买 G/CLUBS 会员资格的时候，对吗？\n\n20 答：对。\n\n21 问：那么您是在看了这个视频之后购买的 G Club 会员资格吗？\n\n23 答：我不记得了。\n\n24 问：如果您当时没有看那个视频，您还会购买吗？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 FERGENSON 律师：反对。\n\n2 法庭：反对成立。如果她记不得了，那她怎么能回答这个后续问题呢？\n\n4 问：您最初是如何得知 G/CLUBS 的？\n\n5 答：郭文贵说的。\n\n6 问：什么时候？\n\n7 答：我不记得了。\n\n8 问：您是否记得大概是什么时候？\n\n9 答：在游艇上。\n\n10 问：不，女士，我是指时间。\n\n11 答：我不记得了。\n\n12 问：您认为您向 G/CLUBS 汇了 $10,000 吗？\n\n13 答：是的。\n\n14 问：撤回。您是如何得知购买 G/CLUBS 应将这 $10,000 汇往何处的？\n\n16 答：怎么得知的？\n\n17 问：是的。您是怎么知道购买 G/CLUBS 应将这 $10,000 汇往何处的？\n\n19 答：GClub.com 网站？\n\n20 问：所以您访问了该网站？\n\n21 答：对，农场让我们这么做的。\n\n22 问：好的。并且您在网站上注册了？\n\n23 答：是的。\n\n24 问：好的。而且您收到了一个会员编号，对吗？\n\n25 答：您是指线上编号，对吗？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 问：一个会员编号，对。\n\n2 答：好的，是的，线上的，对。\n\n3 问：那您是否记得您收到该编号是在观看 G/CLUBS 视频之前还是之后？\n\n5 答：我不记得了。\n\n6 问：好的。您刚才作证说 G/CLUBS 没有给您任何福利，对吗？\n\n8 答：是的。\n\n9 问：您确实在 G Fashion 上享有潜在折扣，对吗？\n\n10 答：是的。\n\n11 问：但您不喜欢他们的东西。\n\n12 答：是的。\n\n13 问：那么您是否曾向 G/CLUBS 询问或打听过他们是否会增加额外福利？\n\n15 答：询问过。\n\n16 问：好的。请跟我说说那件事。\n\n17 答：我给他们写了电子邮件。\n\n18 问：您把那封电子邮件出示给政府方了吗？\n\n19 答：没有。我删掉了，因为有一次我的电脑出了一些故障。我不知道发生了什么。有些——有些东西就这么没了。\n\n22 问：当然。被删除了。\n\n23 答：对。\n\n24 问：您是否曾经——除了您刚才提到的那封电子邮件之外，您是否曾以任何其他方式打听过他们是否在增加额外福利？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 增加额外福利？\n\n2 答：我和农场的成员谈过这件事。\n\n3 问：好的。但我的问题是：您是否与 G/CLUBS 的任何人交谈过，或者试图联系过 G/CLUBS 的任何人？\n\n5 答：没有。\n\n6 问：好的。那么 G/CLUBS 的福利之一难道不是 G Talks 抽奖活动吗？\n\n8 答：那些福利没那么有用。\n\n9 问：您难道没有参加 G Talks 抽奖吗？\n\n10 答：参加过一次。\n\n11 问：只参加过一次？\n\n12 答：对。\n\n因为有人告诉了我一些事情——\n\n14 问：行了。目前没有待决的问题。\n\n15 答：好的。\n\n16 SCHIRICK 律师：好的。现在请调出证物 GX C148-TX，该证物同样已采纳为证据。\n\n请翻到第 5 页。\n\n19 问：您能看到屏幕上、在您面前展示的那份文件吗？\n\n21 答：能看到。\n\n22 问：好的。现在我来宣读那里的内容。如果我念得对，您告诉我，好吗？这出自 G/CLUBS 的发布视频。\n\n在审查过的——\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 FERGENSON 律师：他这是在作证。他刚才说这是 G/CLUBS 的发布视频。她从来没这么说过。\n\n3 法庭：证人并未陈述说她记得 G Club 的发布视频。\n\n5 SCHIRICK 律师：我只是向她出示并读给她听，看是否能唤起她的记忆。\n\n7 法庭：那么请两位到法官席前来。\n\n8 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 （在法官席旁）\n\n2 法庭：她不记得自己是否看过该发布视频。如果您想唤起她的记忆，首先您应该问，是否有某样东西能唤起您的记忆，然后您向她出示该东西，但您不能宣读它；您应该要求她自己阅读，并问，这是否能唤起您的记忆。\n\n8 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，这份文件已采纳为证据。\n\n10 法庭：当然，但在您唤起某人的记忆时，您不能宣读该文件。您必须先向该人出示该文件，然后询问他们，这是否能唤起您的记忆。\n\n14 FERGENSON 律师：我只是想——我的反对只是针对他声称这出自发布视频，而她从未对此作证。她不记得看过该视频。\n\n17 SCHIRICK 律师：Fergenson 律师声称——\n\n18 法庭：该发布视频已采纳为证据。所以您是想弄清她是否看过它，以及她是否听到了这些警告。这就是您想达到的目的，对吗？\n\n22 SCHIRICK 律师：正是。\n\n23 法庭：所以首先您必须确立她对看过该视频有某种记忆。她说她记不得了。所以也许您可以帮她回忆起来。而帮她回忆的方法是向她出示某样东西，无论那是什么东西，只向她一人出示并询问她。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 SCHIRICK 律师：我很乐意这样做。很乐意这样做。\n\n5 法庭：例如，您可以向她播放无声视频，然后问她是否记得看过那个。\n\n7 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，那个视频实际上就是那样，是它的开头部分，发布视频的开头。\n\n10 法庭：那是我们正在照着宣读的一份文件，而我认为这样做是不妥的。\n\n12 SCHIRICK 律师：法官阁下，我指的是之前那份一份是一侧为中文、另一侧为英文的证物，以及录音。那实际上就是发布视频。但我很乐意接受法庭的意见。我很乐意去唤起她的记忆。\n\n17 法庭：好的。\n\n18 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向询问\n\n1 （在公开法庭）\n\n2 由 SCHIRICK 律师进行询问：\n\n3 问：吴女士，您刚才作证说，您不记得是否观看过 G/CLUBS 的发布视频，对吗？\n\n5 答：我不记得了。我不记得了。\n\n6 问：好的。如果我向您出示这份文件，会有助于唤起您的记忆吗？\n\n8 答：不会。\n\n9 问：所以无论我向您出示什么都无法帮助唤起您的记忆；您在看都没看过的情况下就能如此肯定？\n\n11 FERGENSON 律师：反对。\n\n12 法庭：反对成立。\n\n是否有某样东西可能唤起您的记忆？问题是这个。\n\n15 证人：对于那个视频，没有。\n\n16 法庭：继续下一个问题。\n\n17 由 SCHIRICK 律师进行询问：\n\n18 问：女士，您的记忆力有问题吗？\n\n19 答：我认为没有。\n\n20 问：好的。此前 Fergenson 律师问过您一些关于郭文贵成为中共目标的问题。您还记得吗？\n\n23 答：记得。\n\n24 问：好的。并且您说过，您认为郭文贵所从事的项目与中共没有任何关系。您——\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向盘问\n1 记得吗？\n2 答：记得。\n3 SCHIRICK 律师：好的。能调出辩方证据 DX Stip 1 吗？\n4 问：现在我要读这份文件给你听，你告诉我它是否会改变你的想法——\n5 答：好的。\n6 问：——关于你刚才回答的问题。\n7 “兹由美利坚合众国与被告 Miles Guo（郭文贵）通过各自的\n8 记录在案律师达成如下协议及共识（stipulated and agreed）：\n9 “1. 联邦调查局（FBI）曾对部分人员进行调查，这些人员在中华人民共和国\n10 政府（‘中国政府’）的指使下，参与了一场被称为‘猎狐行动’（Operation Fox Hunt）的\n11 国际行动，旨在胁迫身处美国及其他地方的人员\n12 返回中国接受中国政府提起的指控，或以其他方式\n13 与中国政府达成财务和解。\n14 “2. 2017年，一家美国执法机构评估认为，\n15 Miles Guo 先生是中国遣返工作的最高优先级目标。\n16 “3. 2017年，一家美国执法机构收到情报称，\n17 中国官员正向针对 Guo 先生的抗议者付款并提供食物和标语牌。\n18 “4. 2018年，一家美国执法机构收到情报称，\n19 中国政府已在中国成立了一个特别调查小组，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 反向盘问\n1 以统筹中国对 Guo 先生的调查以及针对他采取的行动。”\n2 现在我们能否向下滚动到下一页。\n3 “5. 为实现猎狐行动的部分目标，\n4 2017年，中国政府指派了一个特别指定的特工小组\n5 （‘该小组’），利用互动式计算机服务和电子通信系统，\n6 对包括 Guo 先生在内的个人进行抹黑和骚扰。”\n7 现在我们能否向下滚动到第 6 段，\n8 谢谢。\n9 “6. 自 Guo 先生逃离中国以来，中国政府\n10 一直试图将其引渡回国接受起诉，并\n11 采取了多种手段以实现抓捕或逮捕 Guo 先生。\n12 2017年5月，中国政府派出四名来自中国国家安全部\n13 （‘国安部’/MSS）的未申报特工前往美国，\n14 试图作为猎狐行动的一部分迫使 Guo 先生被强制遣返回中国。\n15 美国政府挫败了中国政府强行遣返 Guo 先生的图谋，\n16 Guo 先生继续居住在美国。”\n17 你看到了吗，女士？\n18 答：是的。看到了。\n19 问：你是否仍然认为 Guo 先生的项目与反中共毫无关系？\n20 答：不完全是。我认为这证明不了 Miles Guo 反中共。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 我不这么认为。\n2 SCHIRICK 律师：庭上，目前没有其他问题了。\n3 法官：进行再次直接询问吗？\n4 FERGENSON 律师：谢谢庭上。\n5 Loftus 女士，如果你手头有的话，能否调出 DX Stip 1。\n6 再次直接询问\n7 由 FERGENSON 律师进行：\n8 问：在我们等待的同时，Wu 女士，关于刚才读给你听的双方协议、共识，\n9 你能否向陪审团解释一下，你说那与 Miles Guo 反中共没有任何关系是什么意思？\n10 SCHIRICK 律师：反对。她刚才已经解释过了。\n11 法官：我不知道这是否是她的确切回答。\n12 你可以让她进一步解释该回答，但我不知道你这样表述是否准确。\n13 FERGENSON 律师：明白了，庭上。\n14 问：Wu 女士，请你向陪审团解释一下你的回答。\n15 答：猎狐行动，这个行动追捕了很多人——追捕了很多人。\n16 实际上，这份名单上的人并不全都是好人。\n17 我——据我所知，猎狐行动通缉了很多与中共官员勾结发大财、\n18 然后带着钱逃到国外的人，所以这个行动包含了这样一部分人，而且据我在网上搜到的——\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 能够搜到的——\n2 SCHIRICK 律师：庭上，反对。\n3 法官：反对无效。你可以继续。\n4 答：——我只发现 Miles Guo 属于这一类，所以他在中国犯下了经济罪行。\n5 我没有查到关于 Miles Guo 在中国有政治原因的事情。所以我——我认为\n6 那些段落证明不了 Miles Guo 反中共。\n7 问：Wu 女士，你作证说你是在 2018 年第一次得知 Miles Guo 的，对吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：在那之前你听说过他吗？\n10 答：没有。\n11 问：在那之前你听说过他是中共异见人士吗？\n12 答：没有。\n13 问：好的。Wu 女士，之前有人问了你一些关于 Sara Wei（魏丽红）的问题。\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：Sara Wei 领导的是哪个农场？\n16 答：当时是凤凰城农场（Phoenix Farm）。\n17 问：谁挑选的农场负责人？\n18 答：Miles Guo。\n19 问：谁给农场负责人下达指示？\n20 答：Miles Guo。\n21 FERGENSON 律师：Loftus 女士，能否调出检方证据 GX Z9。能翻到第 192 页吗。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 问：Wu 女士，之前也有人问你关于 Miles Guo 和 Sara Wei 闹翻的事情。你记得吗？\n2 答：记得。\n3 问：好的。现在请看第 192 页底部，这里的图表日期是 2023年2月13日，\n4 上面的图片写着“Miles Guo Gettr 视频全文”。\n5 FERGENSON 律师：能否稍微向下滚动一下。\n6 我们转到 193 页底部。\n7 问：Wu 女士，可以的话，我就读一下这里的两段话。\n8 上面写着：“在任何情况下都不要给自己找借口——”\n9 SCHIRICK 律师：反对。\n10 法官：这份文件采纳为证据了吗？\n11 FERGENSON 律师：采纳了，庭上。\n12 SCHIRICK 律师：有提出问题吗？\n13 法官：或许你可以先提问。\n14 FERGENSON 律师：好的，庭上。我能否向 Schirick 先生询问一下，看她能否告诉我我读得是否准确。\n15 法官：不行。你当然可以向他耳语告知预期的提问。\n16 （律师商议）\n17 由 FERGENSON 律师继续：\n18 问：Wu 女士，你能朗读一下以“不要给自己找借口”开头的两段话吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 答：“在任何情况下都不要给自己找借口，\n2 无论是在赚钱、追求目标还是追求自己的信仰方面。不要为你的失败和贪婪辩解。\n3 “特别是，中国人总是喜欢推卸责任，把自己的错误归咎于家庭或生活中的某个人。\n4 他们总是把别人当成替罪羊，说是这个人的错，或者说不是因为他\n5 ……我们中国人喜欢对别人指手画脚。请对你自己的所作所为负责。”\n6 SCHIRICK 律师：庭上，反对。没有提出问题。\n7 法官：我在等提问。\n8 问：你清楚什么是替罪羊（scapegoat）吗？\n9 答：这个词，清楚。\n10 问：什么是替罪羊？\n11 答：就是把你的过错推到别人身上，让别人为你的过错承担责任。\n12 FERGENSON 律师：Loftus 女士，能否翻到第 6 页。\n13 问：Wu 女士，有人问过你关于图表上的这一项记录。你记得吗？\n14 答：记得。\n15 FERGENSON 律师：能否向下滚动。\n16 抱歉。Loftus 女士，能否稍微向上滚动一下。\n17 问：Wu 女士，在这个视频中，请注意第一段的最后一句话。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 答：好的。\n2 问：你能读一下那句话吗？\n3 答：事实证明这是一个保守的估计，是估值的 17.5 倍。\n4 问：Miles Guo 关于 GTV 的价值都说了些什么？\n5 SCHIRICK 律师：反对。已问过且已作答。\n6 法官：反对无效。你可以回答。\n7 答：他说过，我记得是 200 亿；也许他后来提到了更高的价值。\n8 FERGENSON 律师：Loftus 女士，能否翻到第 28 页。\n9 问：Wu 女士，之前也问过你在看到 Miles Guo 关于农场的视频之前是否汇出了你的农场借款。\n10 你记得被问过这事吗？\n11 答：我记得他问的是关于 G/CLUBS 的视频。\n12 问：好的。那我们也可以看那个。\n13 FERGENSON 律师：能否稍微向下滚动。我们可以继续向下滚动。\n14 问：现在，Wu 女士，你看到图表上的日期是 2020年7月22日 吗？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：这是在你汇出 G/CLUBS 款项之前吗？\n17 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 问：你看到那里的截图上写着“你立刻成为 G Club 的股东”吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 FERGENSON 律师：能否快速调出检方证据 GX V939。\n4 检方证据 VN39。\n5 问：在我们等待的同时，Wu 女士，之前有人问你关于喜币（H Coin）配额公式的问题。\n6 你记得被问过这事吗？\n7 答：记得。\n8 问：你能解释一下志愿工作——好吧，撤回。\n9 志愿工作是进入公式计算的唯一要素，还是仅仅是其中一个要素？\n10 SCHIRICK 律师：反对。\n11 法官：反对成立。\n12 问：你能否解释一下志愿工作通常是如何纳入该公式考量的。\n13 答：我不知道。他们就——他们就这么做了。我认为他们对此没有任何规则。\n14 他们就是，比如，如果他们喜欢你，就多给你一些，如果你——如果他们——就好像全凭他们自己的感觉。\n15 我不知道。我不知道对此有什么规则。\n16 SCHIRICK 律师：反对。属于对他人想法或行为的揣测。\n17 法官：她说她不知道是否有任何规则。回答有效保留。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 问：Wu 女士，现在借款协议已经调出来了，你记得之前有人问过你关于第 1(d) 款\n2 这里的到期日问题吗？你记得那些问题吗？\n3 答：记得。\n4 FERGENSON 律师：能否向下滚动到签名页。\n5 问：Wu 女士，在你汇款时，你手头甚至有一份双方签署的合同吗？\n6 答：没有。\n7 问：在你汇款并签署合同之后，过了多久你才收到一份签署完返回的副本？\n8 答：就是这个，2021年11月2日。\n9 问：你在同一天收到补充协议（addendum）了吗？\n10 答：我记不清了。也许是一起的。我不记得了。\n11 问：Wu 女士，之前也有人问你关于你在中国的家人的问题。你记得被问过这类问题吗？\n12 答：你能说得更清楚一点吗。\n13 问：在反向盘问中，有人问你是否在中国有家人。你记得吗？\n14 答：记得。\n15 问：也有人问你是否去过中国。你记得吗？\n16 答：记得。\n17 问：你今天出庭作证是因为中共强迫你来的吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次反向盘问\n1 答：不是。你是说中共强迫我坐在这里回答你的问题吗？不是。\n2 问：你是中共间谍吗？\n3 答：不是。\n4 FERGENSON 律师：没有其他问题了。\n5 法官：进行再次反向盘问吗？\n6 再次反向盘问\n7 由 SCHIRICK 律师进行：\n8 问：Wu 女士，刚才向你展示了一段 2020年7月22日 的视频，对吗？\n9 答：是的，就在刚才。\n10 问：好的。没问题。Fergenson 先生问你是否记得在购买 G/CLUBS 会员资格之前看过该视频，对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：好的。而我向你展示了一段关于 G/CLUBS 启动的视频，对吗？\n13 答：你向我展示了视频？没有。\n14 问：你不记得我向你展示过视频吗？\n15 答：只是文字，不是视频。\n16 问：那是一段带有文字的视频，对吗？\n17 答：好吧，是的。\n18 问：好的。所以你记得我之前向你展示过那个。\n19 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次盘问\n1 问：好的。而且你不记得我给你看的那段视频是在你购买 G/CLUBS 之前还是之后了，对吧？那是你的证言。\n2\n3 答：你当时没说日期，对吧？我记得是在那之后——\n4 问：如果我把它拿给你看以唤起你的记忆，会有帮助吗？\n5 答：好的。\n6 席里克先生（MR. SCHIRICK）：请调出政府物证 GX 148-TX。\n7 这是一份已采纳为证据的文件，其日期为\n8 2020年10月13日。\n9 请翻到第5页。\n10 问：请听我读得对不对。好吗？\n11 “然而，根据 G/CLUBS 修改后的启动计划，\n12 会员将不会获得未来发行股票的特别认购权，\n13 将‘不会’获得 GTV 股票，且将‘不会’获得用于\n14 购买会员资格的贷款。兄弟姐妹们，这是严肃的事情。\n15 即使你买了 G Club，它也绝对\n16 不会附带股票；这并不意味着你可以\n17 购买 G Fashion 和 GTV 的股票；而且，这并不意味着你\n18 将来能够获得贷款。不！不！不！\n19 我再说一遍，这是一个非常严肃的话题。不！不！根本\n20 没有 GTV 的股票。也没有 G Fashion 的股票。当听到\n21 这一切时，我都起鸡皮疙瘩了。根本就没有那些东西。”\n22 这是否唤起了你的回忆？\n23 答：没有。而且我问过这份文件的日期。日期。\n24 问：正如我之前所说，是10月13日。是在你\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次盘问\n1 购买 G/CLUBS 会员资格的三天前，对吧？\n2 费根森先生（MR. FERGENSON）：审判长，我认为他不能这么做。\n3 法庭：她问了日期。\n4 席里克先生：这是一项已在案的证据事实。\n5 法庭：哪一年的10月13日？\n6 席里克先生：2020年。经双方当事人协议约定（stipulation），这是一项已在案证据事实。\n7 法庭：你是在问10月13日是否在10月15日的前两天吗？是这个问题吗？\n8 席里克先生：是的。而且那是16日。\n9 法庭：10月——\n10 席里克先生：16日是在该视频的日期10月13日的\n11 三天后。\n12 法庭：这是一个复合问题。我们一部分一部分来。\n13 席里克先生继续询问：\n14 问：好的。你之前作证说，你在10月16日购买了\n15 你的 G/CLUBS 会员资格，对吧？\n16 答：我说过是10月。我不记得具体日期。\n17 问：如果我向你出示一份文件，能否唤起你的回忆？\n18 答：如果你有文件的话，可以。可以。\n19 席里克先生：好的。先不要展示给陪审团，只给证人和当事各方看。\n20 问：女士，你认得这份文件吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次盘问\n1 答：认得。\n2 问：它是什么？\n3 答：我的电汇水单。\n4 问：事实上，这是你发给政府律师的对账单，对吧？\n5 答：是的。\n6 席里克先生：审判长，我们申请将此作为证据提交。\n7 法庭：有异议吗？\n8 费根森先生：没有，审判长。\n9 法庭：采纳为证据。这份文件有编号吗？\n10 席里克先生：有的。被告物证 DX 7002，审判长。抱歉，是7003。\n11 （被告第7003号物证被采纳为证据）\n12 席里克先生：审判长，我们可以将其向陪审团公布展示吗？\n13 法庭：可以。\n14 席里克先生：请放大“电汇信息（Wire Transfer Information）”字样下方的日期。\n15 席里克先生继续询问：\n16 问：吴女士，你能看到这份文件吗？\n17 答：能看到。\n18 问：这是否唤起了你的回忆，即你是于2020年10月16日通过汇款10,000美元购买了你的 G Club 会员资格？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次盘问\n1 答：我还是记不得，但文件写成这样，好吧，那就是那个时间。\n2 问：好的。但你没有任何理由认为这份由你提供给政府的文件是不正确的，对吗？\n3 答：这是对的。这是对的。\n4 问：是对的。\n5 答：是的。\n6 席里克先生：好的。现在如果我们回到上一份物证，GX C148-TX。抱歉，我收回刚才的话。我们能调出 GX Z9 吗？\n7 请翻到2020年10月13日的那项记录。\n8 问：现在你看到屏幕上显示的文件了吗？\n9 答：看到了。\n10 问：你看到日期栏是2020年10月13日了吗？\n11 答：看到了。\n12 席里克先生：好的。现在请往下滚动。请继续。继续。\n13 继续。我们在找——这里。有了。\n14 问：现在你看到这里以这句话开头的段落了吗：“然而，根据审阅后的 G/CLUBS 启动计划，会员将不会因此获得认购或购买未来发行之任何股份的机会，且将‘不会’获得 GTV 俱乐部股票”？你看到了吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次盘问\n1 费根森先生：审判长，这是在询问中第三次读到同一段文字了。只是想加快进度。\n2 席里克先生：只是想把它关联起来。\n3 法庭：好的。请继续。\n4 问：你看到了吗？\n5 答：看到了。\n6 问：正如该图表所示——该图表已在案作为证据——那是来自10月13日的，对吧？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：那是发生在你购买 G/CLUBS 会员资格的三天前，对吧？\n9 答：我看过他以前的或者更早的——或者之前的视频。\n10 问：我的问题是，这是在你购买 G Club 会员资格的三天前，对吧？\n11 答：是的，这是正确的。\n12 问：好的。谢谢。\n13 现在你刚才也——你刚才作证说，你认为郭先生不是真正的反中共（anti-CCP），对吧？\n14 答：对，他不是。\n15 问：好的。那么，请再次调出 DX Stip 1。第5段。\n16 我将从该段大约过半的地方开始读起，比一半稍微多一点，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Wu - 再次直接询问\n1 从“2018年12月前后（In or about December 2018）”这几个词开始。\n2 “2018年12月前后，该团伙（Group）的骨干成员接到指示，每日需使用 YouTube 和 Facebook 账号发布三条视频或帖子，其中一条帖子必须针对郭先生。2020年2月3日，一名中华人民共和国政府官员下达任务要求，该团伙的每名成员均应撰写一篇原创文章，内容须针对郭先生、新冠疫情或香港。联邦调查局（FBI）对该团伙的活动进行了调查，包括其针对郭先生的活动，且美国政府已指控该团伙的多名成员违反美国法律。”\n3 你能否告诉我，如果郭先生不是反中共的，中华人民共和国政府为什么会这样针对——\n4 费根森先生：反对。\n5 问：——针对郭先生？\n6 法庭：反对成立。她不能代表中国政府发言。\n7 问：这是否改变了你关于郭先生是否反中共的看法？\n8 答：没有。\n9 问：即使中共在针对他，也完全没有改变你的看法吗？\n10 法庭：此问题已问过并已作答。\n11 席里克先生：审判长，没有其他问题了。\n12 法庭：有再次直接询问吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - 直接询问\n1 费根森先生：非常简短。\n2 再次直接询问\n3 由费根森先生进行：\n4 问：吴女士，当你向 G/CLUBS 汇款时，你期望收到什么？\n5 答：GTV 股票。\n6 席里克先生：超出范围。\n7 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n8 问：你当时期望 G/CLUBS 的钱被用来购买豪宅吗？\n9 席里克先生：反对。超出范围。\n10 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n11 问：你当时期望 G/CLUBS 的钱会被用来购买豪宅吗？\n12 席里克先生：同上反对理由。\n13 答：没有。\n14 席里克先生：没有其他问题。\n15 法庭：有再再次盘问吗？\n16 席里克先生：没有，审判长。\n17 证人：太好了。\n18 法庭：你可以退庭了。\n19 证人：谢谢。\n20 （证人退庭）\n21 法庭：政府方可以传唤其下一位证人。\n22 芬克尔先生（MR. FINKEL）：政府方传唤金伯莉·埃斯皮诺萨（Kimberly Espinoza）。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - 直接询问\n1 法庭书记员：请举起你的右手。\n2 （证人宣誓）\n3 法庭书记员：谢谢。\n4 法庭：请陈述你的姓名并拼写。\n5 证人：金伯莉·埃斯皮诺萨。K-I-M-B-E-R-L-Y, E-S-P-I-N-O-Z-A。\n6 法庭：你可以开始询问了。\n7 芬克尔先生：谢谢，审判长。请稍等片刻。\n8 金伯莉·埃斯皮诺萨（KIMBERLY ESPINOZA），\n9 由政府方传唤作证，\n10 经依法宣誓后，作证如下：\n11 直接询问\n12 由芬克尔先生进行：\n13 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，能否请你向陪审团成员说明你在哪里工作以及你的职务是什么。\n14 答：我在联邦调查局（FBI）工作，我的职务是法务会计师。\n15 法庭：请稍等片刻。\n16 你可以继续。\n17 芬克尔先生：谢谢，审判长。\n18 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，你此前曾在本案审理中作证过；对吗？\n19 答：是的，对的。\n20 问：在你在本次审判中上次作证之后，专案组是否再次联系了你？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - 直接询问\n1 答：是的，联系了。\n2 问：专案组要求你做什么（如果有的话）？\n3 答：审查新的财务信息，并再次作证。\n4 问：你审查了那些新的财务信息吗？\n5 答：是的，我审查了。\n6 芬克尔先生：审判长，此时根据双方协议物证 GX Stip 14，政府方申请提交物证 GX VNB1-3、GX IDB1, 3, 4, 7、GX SIG1、GX SIL4、GX SIL3、GX SIL40。\n7 法庭：该协议书已经在案作为证据了吗？\n8 芬克尔先生：是的，审判长。\n9 法庭：有异议吗？\n10 席里克先生：没有异议。\n11 法庭：采纳为证据。\n12 （政府第 VNB1-3、IDB1、IDB3、IDB4、IDB7、SIG1、SIL4、SIL3、SIL40 号物证被采纳为证据）\n13 芬克尔先生：根据协议 Stip 8，政府方申请提交 BR451 和 BR452。\n14 席里克先生：没有异议。\n15 法庭：采纳为证据。\n16 （政府第 BR451 和 BR452 号物证被采纳为证据）\n17 芬克尔先生：政府方还申请提交物证 GX CAP623 和 GX CAP624。\n18 席里克先生：没有异议。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - 直接询问\n1 法庭：采纳为证据。\n2 （政府第 CAP623 和 CAP624 号物证被采纳为证据）\n3 芬克尔先生：谢谢，审判长。\n4 洛夫图斯女士（Ms. Loftus），请向证人展示已标为拟用物证（for identification）的 GX Z12。如果你能快速翻阅一下，以便埃斯皮诺萨女士看一看。\n5 我们可以回到第1页。\n6 芬克尔先生继续询问：\n7 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，你认得这份文件吗？\n8 答：是的，我认得。\n9 问：它是什么？\n10 答：这是一份财务报表分析，由我——由我协助完成的。\n11 问：你审查过这份分析吗？\n12 答：是的，我审查过。\n13 问：你是否根据基础物证核对了其准确性？\n14 答：是的，我核对了。\n15 问：它是准确的吗？\n16 答：是的，它是准确的。\n17 问：那些基础物证是卷帙浩繁的记录吗？\n18 答：是的，它们是。\n19 问：那些作为基础物证的记录是哪一类的记录？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - 直接询问\n1 答：银行账户，比如银行对账单、支票、存款、取款，以及一些与不动产相关的支持文件。\n2 芬克尔先生：政府方申请提交 Z12 为证据。\n3 席里克先生：没有异议。\n4 法庭：采纳为证据。\n5 （政府第 Z12 号物证被采纳为证据）\n6 芬克尔先生：请予以公布展示。\n7 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，概括而言，你在本图表中分析的资金流向（如果有的话）是怎样的？\n8 答：是从 Crane Advisory Group LLC 转移到 Lawall & Mitchell, LLC 的资金，以及自该处后续转出的资金。\n9 法庭：我没听清你说转到了哪里。\n10 证人：Lawall & Mitchell。\n11 问：你知道 Crane Advisory Group 是什么吗？\n12 答：我不知道。\n13 问：你知道海赛姆·哈立德（Haitham Khaled）是谁吗？\n14 答：我不知道。\n15 问：好的。这是第一——我们正在看 Z12 的第一张幻灯片，埃斯皮诺萨女士。在左上角写着 Capital One 887 和 890。这些数字指的是什么？\n16 答：那是两个银行账户的后四位数字。\n17 问：是以哪个实体的名义开设的银行账户？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 答：Crane Advisory Group, LLC（克莱恩咨询集团有限责任公司）。\n2 芬克尔先生（MR. FINKEL）：请帮我们翻到下一张幻灯片。\n3 问：我们在第2张幻灯片上看到的是什么？\n4 答：这是 Crane Advisory\n5 Group LLC 那两个银行账户的签名卡。\n6 问：什么是签名卡？\n7 答：这是银行提供的一张卡片，上面列出了所有账户\n8 信息，以及谁是该账户的授权用户或签署人。\n9\n10 问：在这些账户（887和890账户）顶部的商业名称是什么？\n11\n12 答：是 Crane Advisory Group, LLC。\n13 问：在这些签名卡底部的签名是谁的？\n14\n15 答：Haitham Khaled。\n16 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n17\n18 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士（Ms. Espinoza），这张幻灯片展示的是什么？\n19 答：还有其他不属于 Capital One（第一资本银行）的 Crane Advisory Group LLC 银行\n20 账户，所以这些是——在另外三家银行有\n21 七个账户。\n22 问：它们都在 Crane Advisory Group 名下吗？\n23 答：是的，都在。\n24 芬克尔先生：请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n25 问：我们在这里看到的是什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记有限责任公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 答：这是我刚才提到的那些银行账户的三张签名卡，\n2 它们属于 IDB Bank（以色列贴现银行）和 Signature\n3 Bank（签名银行）。\n4 问：这些账户是在哪些实体的名下？\n5 答：Crane Advisory Group, LLC。\n6 问：屏幕上这三份文件上的联系方式是什么，或者说那个人的名字是什么？\n7\n8 答：签署人的名字？\n9 问：是的，请讲。谢谢。\n10 答：是 Haitham Khaled。\n11 芬克尔先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n12\n13 问：Lawall & Mitchell 是什么？\n14 答：我不确定。\n15 问：您查阅过 Lawall &\n16 Mitchell 的银行账户信息吗？\n17 答：是的，我查过。\n18 问：那是在 Valley National Bank（峡谷国家银行）吗？\n19 答：是的。\n20 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n21\n22 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，您能向陪审团成员解释一下\n23 这张幻灯片（第6张幻灯片）代表什么吗？\n24 答：底部只是其中一份对账单的示例，\n25 它显示写着 Valley National Bank，上面\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 写着 Lawall & Mitchell, LLC，地址也列在那里，\n2 以及——该账户的后四位数字，即1500。\n3 问：好的。您知道 Aaron Mitchell 是谁吗？\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请调出已采纳为证据的 GX 128。\n6\n7 问：您知道这个人是谁吗？\n8 答：我不知道。\n9 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请返回 Z12\n10 第6页。\n11 问：在这张幻灯片的左侧——对不起。埃斯皮诺萨女士，在这张幻灯片的左侧，\n12 上面写着截至9月26日的余额。\n13 截至2021年9月26日的余额是多少？\n14 答：$73,672。\n15 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n16\n17 问：那么这些就是您——抱歉——您至少在最初分析的几组账户吗？\n18\n19 答：是的，没错。\n20 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n21\n22 问：我们现在到了第8张幻灯片，埃斯皮诺萨女士，第8张幻灯片\n23 描绘了什么？请向陪审团成员\n24 描述一下。\n25 答：两个尾号为0887和0890的 Crane Advisory Group, LLC Capital One 账户\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 于2021年9月29日向 Lawall & Mitchell LLC 在\n2 Valley National Bank 的银行账户总共转账了 $37,006,848。\n3\n4 问：您知道为什么这两个 Crane 账户在2021年9月29日转账了\n5 3700多万美元吗？\n6 答：我不知道。\n7 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一页。\n8\n9 问：第9张幻灯片这一页代表什么？\n10 答：底部的总额就是我刚才在上一张幻灯片中提到的\n11 37,006,848，所以这是三笔单独的\n12 转账，加起来等于该总额。\n13 问：为什么第一笔转账，也就是第一笔转账的日期上有一个星号？\n14\n15 答：因为电汇是在2021年9月29日完成的，但在\n16 Capital One 对账单上，交易日期被\n17 列为2021年9月10日。\n18 问：您知道该延迟的原因吗？\n19 答：我不知道。\n20 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到第10张幻灯片。\n21\n22 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，您能描述一下第10张幻灯片代表什么吗？\n23 答：在其他三家银行的另外七个 Crane——属于 Crane Advisory Group, LLC 的银行账户中，\n24\n25 有 $9,542,511 在2021年9月27日至2021年10月27日期间\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 被转账至 Valley National Bank 的 Lawall & Mitchell。\n2 问：在这些转账之前，您能否提醒陪审团\n3 Lawall & Mitchell 账户里大约有多少钱？\n4\n5 答：大约有7.3万。\n6 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到第11张幻灯片。\n7\n8 问：这张幻灯片代表什么？\n9 答：底部的总额是上一张幻灯片中的 9,542,511，\n10 所以这里只是展示构成该金额的每笔单独转账。\n11\n12 问：所以有一些少于 $10 的转账；是这样吗？\n13\n14 答：是的，没错。\n15 问：记录是这么显示的吗？\n16 答：是的。\n17 芬克尔先生：请翻到第12张幻灯片。\n18 问：那么埃斯皮诺萨女士，转向第12张幻灯片，这九个\n19 Crane Advisory Group 银行账户转入 Lawall & Mitchell 的\n20 总金额是多少？\n21 答：$46,549,359。\n22 问：您是否进一步追踪了来自 Lawall & Mitchell 账户的资金流向？\n23\n24 答：是的，我追踪了。\n25 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到第13张幻灯片。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 问：您能告诉陪审团我们在第13张幻灯片中看到的是什么吗？\n2\n3 答：2021年11月8日，Lawall & Mitchell 在 Valley National Bank 的那个我们一直在讨论的同一账户，\n4 向 Silvergate Bank（银门银行）一个名为 Hamilton\n5 Opportunity Fund SPC（汉密尔顿机会基金独立投资组合公司）的账户转账了 $46,549,275。\n6\n7 问：Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC 是什么？\n8 答：我不知道。\n9 芬克尔先生：请翻到第14张幻灯片。\n10 问：顺便问一下，埃斯皮诺萨女士，除了您今天针对这张图表的证言，\n11 以及我想大约一周前您针对那张图表的证言之外，\n12 您在本案中还有其他参与吗？\n13 答：我没有。\n14 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，您能向陪审团成员解释一下\n15 我们在第14张幻灯片上看到的是什么吗？\n16 答：这是 Silvergate Bank 账户的签名卡。\n17 他们称之为总协议。上面显示被授权使用该账户的两个人\n18 是 Kin Ming Je 和 David Fallon。\n19\n20 问：Kin Ming Je 在左边？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：您知道那个人是谁吗？\n23 答：我不知道。\n24 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请调出政府方证物 103（Government Exhibit 103）。\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 希里克先生（MR. SCHIRICK）：反对。有提问吗？\n2 芬克尔先生：我只是在等待文件加载。\n3\n4 问：我的问题是，埃斯皮诺萨女士：您知道政府方证物 103 中描绘的\n5 这个人是谁吗？\n6 答：我不知道。\n7 问：您知道这是不是 Kin Ming Je 吗？\n8 答：我不知道。\n9 芬克尔先生：请返回政府方证物 Z12 的\n10 第14张幻灯片。\n11 问：在这些转账之前，余额大约是多少？\n12\n13 答：2900万。\n14 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到第15张幻灯片。\n15 问：从 Lawall & Mitchell 转入 Hamilton\n16 Opportunity Fund 7739 账户的4650多万美元发生了什么？在那之后\n17 它怎么了？\n18\n19 答：2021年12月2日，相同金额，即 46,549,275，\n20 被转账至 Silvergate Bank 的另一个 Hamilton Opportunity Fund 账户。该账户的后四位是7713。\n21\n22 问：这些电汇中是否有图表上未体现的、关于这些转账原因的\n23 任何信息？\n24\n25 答：在银行对账单上，有——确实写着投资者\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6D1GUO3 Espinoza - Direct\n1 账户有误，或类似意思的话。\n2 问：您知道是谁在电汇中输入了该信息吗？\n3\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Direct\n1 芬克尔先生继续询问：\n2 问：您知道为什么包含该信息吗？\n3 答：可能是银行填的。也可能是汇款人填的，\n4 但我不知道原因。\n5 问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片，第16张幻灯片。\n6 埃斯皮诺萨女士，我们在这里看到的是什么？\n7 答：这是 Silvergate Bank 7713 账户的总协议或签名卡，\n8 上面是相同的授权用户，即 Kin\n9 Ming Je 和 David Fallon。\n10 问：Kin Ming Je 和 David Fallon 是这两个 Hamilton Opportunity Fund 账户的\n11 授权用户；是这样吗？\n12\n13 答：是的，没错。\n14 问：在转入4650万美元之前，这个 Hamilton Opportunity Fund 7713\n15 账户中的余额是多少？\n16 答：$4,779,188。\n17 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，在这4650万美元从 Crane Advisory Group 流向 Lawall &\n18 Mitchell，再流向 Hamilton Opportunity Fund，再流向第二个 Hamilton\n19 Opportunity Fund 之后，您是否也追踪了资金流向，您查明在那之后\n20 发生了什么吗？\n21\n22 答：是的，我查了。\n23 问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n24 2021年12月8日发生了什么？\n25 答：向 McDonnell Whitaker 律师\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Direct\n1 信托账户支付了200万美元。\n2 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n3 埃斯皮诺萨女士，2021年12月16日发生了什么？\n4 答：向 Insight Title Services, LLC（洞察产权服务有限责任公司）信托账户支付了一笔 $24,500,000 的款项。\n5\n6 问：那笔付款是从哪个账户支付的？\n7 答：Hamilton Opportunity Fund 7713 账户。\n8 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n9 这张幻灯片描绘了什么？\n10 答：在2021年12月1日至2022年3月2日期间，\n11 另外1300万美元被汇往 Buck Esquire, LLC 律师\n12 信托账户。\n13 问：那么总共大约有多少钱——顺着整个资金流向下来，但最终\n14 是在12月8日至2022年3月2日期间\n15 从这个 Hamilton Opportunity Fund 7713 账户转出？\n16\n17 答：$39,500,000。\n18 问：埃斯皮诺萨女士，您是否也审阅了来自 Insight\n19 Title Services, LLC 信托的文件？\n20 答：是的，我审阅了。\n21 问：关于这2450万美元的文件？\n22 答：嗯，与一处金额大约为该数额的房产相关的文件，是的。\n23\n24 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。这是您审阅过的\n25 文件之一吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - Direct\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：顶部写着 HUD-1 结算单（settlement statement HUD-1）；是这样吗？\n3\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：您知道什么是 HUD-1 结算单吗？\n6 答：从这份结算单来看，它就是用于房产购买之类的，\n7 它列出了借款人、买家、购买价格\n8 以及借款人和买家的交易。\n9 问：请放大左上方的 G 栏。\n10 埃斯皮诺萨女士，您能看清吗？\n11 答：可以。房产位置：675 Ramapo Valley Road, Mahwah,\n12 New Jersey 07430。您需要我读剩下的吗？\n13 问：不用。可以了。请缩小。\n14 请放大其上方写着借款人姓名和地址的\n15 栏目。\n16 埃斯皮诺萨女士，根据这份文件，\n17 借款人的名称是什么？\n18 答：Taurus Fund, LLC（金牛座基金有限责任公司）。\n19 问：您知道那是什么吗？\n20 答：我不知道。\n21 芬克尔先生：洛夫特斯女士，请放大写着合同销售价格的\n22 第101行。\n23 这套房屋的合同销售价格是多少？\n24 答：2600万美元（$26 million）。\n25 问：请帮我们放大第201行。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - 主询问\n1 问：定金或诚意金写的是多少？\n2 答：200万美元。\n3 问：Loftus女士，你可以回到第19张幻灯片。\n4 2021年12月8日向McDonnell Whitaker律师信托账户转账的\n5 金额是多少？\n6 答：200万美元。\n7 问：Loftus女士，请回到第20张幻灯片，下一张幻灯片。\n8 如果我们可以切到下一张幻灯片的话。\n9 这些是来自Insight Title Services（洞察产权服务公司）的\n10 附加文件吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：Loftus女士，如果你能放大左侧第一行的话。一直往右看。\n13 Espinoza女士，你能把这一行，也就是第一行，\n14 读一遍吗？\n15 答：2021年12月17日，Taurus Fund LLC（金牛基金有限责任公司），HUD（住房和城市发展部）第303行，借款人\n16 出资现金，存款金额为$24,344,844.44。\n17 问：缩小画面。文件底部写着\n18 $155,155.56。你能解释一下右边的文件吗？\n19 答：右边的文件是同一金额的电汇凭证。\n20 它是由Insight Title向Buck Esquire, LLC汇出的，\n21 底部有一条备注写着超额出资。\n22 问：Loftus女士，如果你能放大最后一份文件的最后一行，\n23 倒数第二行。\n24 你能读一下2021年12月17日旁边最后、\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - 交叉询问\n1 以Crocker开头的这部分吗？\n2 答：Crocker Mansion Estate, LLC, a New Jersey Limited Liability Company（克罗克庄园地产有限责任公司，一家新泽西州有限责任公司），\n3 HUD第603行，向卖方支付的现金，$10,852,425.02。\n4 问：你去过Ramapo Valley Road 675号吗？\n5 答：没去过。\n6 问：你去过Crocker（克罗克）庄园吗？\n7 答：没有。\n8 FINKEL先生：谢谢你，Espinoza女士。我没有\n9 进一步问题了。\n10 法庭：交叉询问。\n11 交叉询问\n12 由SCHIRICK先生进行：\n13 问：谢谢法官阁下。简短问几个问题。很高兴再次见到你，\n14 Espinoza女士。正如我们上次所涉及的，你作证说\n15 政府律师是在大约三周前第一次要求你\n16 在本案中作证，对吗，也许还要稍微\n17 多一点时间？\n18 答：大概三到四周前。\n19 问：再次确认一下，在检察官要求你作证之前，你对本案\n20 一无所知？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：正如我们涉及过的，你并不是FBI（联邦调查局）在此事上的\n23 调查小组成员？\n24 答：对。\n25 问：你也不是检控团队的成员？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - 交叉询问\n1 答：对。\n2 问：而且事实上，正如你在主询问中所作证的，除了你的\n3 证词以及为该证词所做的准备之外，你实际上没有\n4 参与过本案的任何工作，对吗？\n5 答：是的，对。\n6 问：现在，简短看下图表，你能告诉我\n7 是谁制作了该图表的初稿吗？\n8 答：我相信是一名法务会计师，不是我自己，是FBI的另一位\n9 法务会计师。\n10 问：大约是什么时候？\n11 答：大概是两周前。\n12 问：在出具初稿后，你和政府律师\n13 讨论过该图表吗？\n14 答：我想我收到它时可能已经是第三版\n15 或第四版了，所以我没有参与最初的对话。\n16 问：没有参与更早的版本。而在你收到\n17 第三版或第四版之后，此后又有多少个\n18 附加版本？\n19 答：我相信这是第五版，五或六版，但我相信\n20 是第五版。\n21 问：明白了。让我们快速看一下图表。\n22 如果可以调出来的话，请出示政府证物C-12。我\n23 只打算问你几个问题。我们可以快速过一下\n24 这个。如果我们能切到第四页，\n25 这张幻灯片的标题是Crane Advisory——抱歉，撤回。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - 交叉询问\n1 在本页的右侧，一个用绿线框出的\n2 框内写着Crane Advisory在三家银行的\n3 七个账户，对吗？\n4 答：对。\n5 问：这张幻灯片展示了IDB Bank（以色列贴现银行）的两张印鉴卡，\n6 对吗？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：然后是一张来自Signature Bank（签名银行）的印鉴卡？\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：这里涉及第三家银行吗？\n11 答：是的，涉及。\n12 问：那家银行是Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：如果你的话，Crane在Morgan Stanley有多少个账户？\n15 答：四个账户。\n16 问：这里没有展示来自Morgan Stanley那些账户的任何\n17 印鉴卡，对吗？\n18 答：对。\n19 问：如果我们可以切到第八页。\n20 现在，我相信主询问中有人问过你这个，但你\n21 并不知道Lawall & Mitchell是什么，对吗？\n22 答：不知道。\n23 问：你知道它为什么要接收资金吗？\n24 答：不知道。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - 交叉询问\n1 问：所以你并不知道，例如，Lawall & Mitchell是否是\n2 G/Club的律师之一，对吗？\n3 答：我不知道。\n4 问：请切到第13张幻灯片。\n5 现在，这张幻灯片显示Lawall & Mitchell向\n6 Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC（汉密尔顿机会基金独立投资组合公司）汇款，对吗？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：你作证说你不知道Hamilton是哪类\n9 基金，对吗？\n10 答：我不知道它是什么类型的基金，不知道。\n11 问：你不知道这些资金在Hamilton是以谁的名义\n12 列出的，对吗？\n13 答：我相信我们在下一张幻灯片上有它们的印鉴卡\n14 以及列出的姓名。\n15 问：让我换个说法，因为刚才的问题可能\n16 不够清楚。在Hamilton这个实体内部，你不知道这些资金是存放在\n17 Hamilton内部的哪个账户中，对吗，而不是指银行？\n18 答：是的，我只知道银行账户信息。\n19 问：对。是的。谢谢。那正是我试图作出的\n20 区分。谢谢。如果我们可以切到第15页。\n21 这张幻灯片显示了Signature Bank内部的一笔内部转账，\n22 对吗，是在Hamilton的一个账户与Hamilton的另一个\n23 账户之间进行的？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - 交叉询问\n1 答：是的，这是两个账户之间的转账。\n2 问：对。所以这笔钱实际上并没有离开Silvergate Bank（银门银行），\n3 对吗，在底部两个框之间的最后一个箭头上？\n4 答：最后一笔转账是在Silvergate Bank到一个\n5 Silvergate Bank账户之间。\n6 问：把它称为内部转账，即没有离开银行，\n7 是合理的吧？\n8 答：是的，这样说很合理。\n9 问：这发生在2021年12月2日，对吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：而你不知道原因，对吗？\n12 答：对。\n13 问：而且你并不知道，例如，这笔资金最初是否被导向了\n14 错误的账户？\n15 答：抱歉。你能重复一遍吗？\n16 问：你不知道，例如，这些资金最初是否被导向了\n17 错误的账户？\n18 答：我不知道。\n19 问：请切到第20张幻灯片。你刚才在主询问中\n20 作证说这是一份HUD-1表格，对吗？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：据你所知，该表格是房地产买卖中的\n23 标准政府表格吗？\n24 答：我不确定它是否是标准表格。\n25 问：让我们放大左上角。我相信是D。这有点\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Espinoza - 交叉询问\n1 考眼力了，但我想这是左上角的第一栏。\n2 上面写着Taurus Fund LLC。你看到了吗？\n3 答：看到了。\n4 问：作为你在FBI担任法务会计师工作的一部分，\n5 你有房地产交易方面的经验吗？\n6 答：有的。\n7 问：在购买高端房地产时，买方设立有限责任公司来持有产权\n8 是很常见的，不是吗？\n9 答：我不知道这是否常见。\n10 问：如果我们放大E右边的内容，虽然有点模糊，\n11 你能看到卖方的名称似乎是\n12 Crocker Mansion Estate, LLC, a New Jersey Limited Liability company吗？\n13 答：能看到。\n14 问：这是否向你表明，这里的卖方\n15 也是一家有限责任公司？\n16 答：是的，这里的卖方是一家有限责任公司。\n17 SCHIRICK先生：法官阁下，此时没有\n18 进一步问题了。\n19 法庭：再主询问。\n20 FINKEL先生：没有了，法官阁下。谢谢你，\n21 Espinoza女士。\n22 法庭：你可以退庭了。\n23 （证人退庭）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 法庭：政府可以传唤下一位证人。\n2 MURRAY女士：谢谢法官阁下。政府\n3 传唤Jamie Wilson。\n4 JAMIE WILSON，\n5 由政府传唤为证人，\n6 经依法宣誓，作证如下：\n7 法庭：请说出你的姓名并拼写出来。\n8 证人：Jamie Wilson，J-A-M-I-E，Wilson是\n9 W-I-L-S-O-N。\n10 法庭：你可以发问了。\n11 MURRAY女士：谢谢法官阁下。\n12 主询问\n13 由MURRAY女士进行：\n14 问：下午好，Wilson女士。\n15 答：下午好。\n16 问：你在哪里就职？\n17 答：我就职于Bank of Princeton（普林斯顿银行）。\n18 问：你的职务是什么？\n19 答：我是该银行的BSA（银行保密法）专员。\n20 问：BSA代表什么？\n21 答：BSA代表《Bank Secrecy Act（银行保密法）》。\n22 问：你是什么时候成为BSA专员的？\n23 答：四年前。\n24 问：作为BSA专员，你的职责是什么？\n25 答：我的职责是保护金融机构和我们的\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 金融行业免受洗钱、恐怖主义融资、\n2 逃税的侵害。\n3 问：你能向陪审团描述一下，在履行BSA职责的过程中，如果说有的话，\n4 你是如何监测这些问题的？\n5 答：好的。我们有不同的监测方式。我们有一个\n6 系统，当人们的活动超出个人账户或企业账户\n7 的正常范畴时，它会向我们发出警报。我们有联系的方式——\n8 执法部门可以通过314A向我们查询。我们有314B，\n9 允许我们与其他金融机构进行沟通。我们有\n10 不同的月度与周度报告，用于监测电汇、\n11 货币票据，进出银行的任何活动\n12 我们都会进行监测。\n13 问：你提到了314B计划，你能稍微详细解释一下\n14 它包含什么内容吗？\n15 答：314B计划是——并非所有金融机构都\n16 参与其中，但如果你注册加入，它允许你与其他银行\n17 讨论你们双方共同拥有的\n18 客户。\n19 所以，如果我是金融机构A的客户，同时又是\n20 金融机构B的客户，并且我是该机构的\n21 客户，我们就可以讨论通过我们账户进行的交易活动，\n22 涉及洗钱以及可能的\n23 恐怖主义融资。\n24 问：314B信息共享系统（如果有的话）\n25 是如何协助你进行BSA监测的？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 答：那有助于我们拼凑出更完整的全貌。因此，如果我们\n2 不确定活动来自何处、其原始来源是什么、\n3 或者资金流向何处，它赋予我们能够查明\n4 该笔资金源自何处的能力，无论它是流入我们这里还是流向其他地方，\n5 以及如果流向其他地方，它是用于什么目的。\n6 问：Wilson女士，你熟悉QualiFile（资质档案系统）这个术语吗？\n7 答：熟悉。\n8 问：什么是QualiFile？\n9 答：QualiFile是一份针对到银行开户的\n10 每个个人和企业所运行的报告。这是一份由ChexSystems（支票系统公司）出具、\n11 每家银行都会运行的报告，它能让你看到某人是否在其他机构存在\n12 冲销坏账记录。所以，\n13 如果他们在另一家银行出现负结余，它会向我们显示\n14 他们可能欠该金融机构资金。\n15 问：你熟悉OFAC（外国资产控制办公室）这个词吗？\n16 答：熟悉。\n17 问：那代表什么？\n18 答：OFAC是Office of Foreign Assets Control（外国资产控制办公室），OFAC会发出\n19 多种不同类型的名单，列出可能被冻结或制裁\n20 的人员，你不得与那些\n21 个人或企业进行交易。\n22 问：OFAC名单如果说有的话，与你作为BSA专员的职责\n23 有何关联？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n问：如果有人命中了OFAC名单，那么我们需要致电作为U.S. Treasury（美国财政部）下属部门的OFAC（外国资产控制办公室），要么拒绝该笔交易，要么可能将其转入一个单独的账户并冻结这笔资金。\n\n问：你能描述一下Bank of Princeton（普林斯顿银行）普通客户的画像吗？\n\n答：好的。普林斯顿银行的普通客户可以是任何我认为属于蓝领客户的人群，比如可能是机械师或军人，再到房地产经纪人或医生诊所。\n\n问：普林斯顿银行有多少家分行？\n\n答：我们有26家分行。\n\n问：从地理位置上讲，这些分行分布在美国哪些地方？\n\n答：它们主要分布在新泽西州和宾夕法尼亚州，最近在纽约市郊外开设了几家，不在市区内，但大部分在新泽西州和宾夕法尼亚州。\n\n问：Wilson（威尔逊）女士，你是否曾对以Lamp Capital（灯塔资本）名义开立的账户进行过BSA（《银行保密法》）审查？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：大约是什么时候？\n\n答：大约在2020年9月。\n\n问：关于那位客户，你还记得些什么（如果有的话）？\n\n答：那位客户是由我们的一位董事会成员介绍来的，该成员会见过一名顾问、一名财务顾问和一名律师，他们被共同引荐将资金存入我们的金融机构，因为相比大型机构，他们仍然更看重我们像是一家家族银行。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n引荐他们将资金转入我们的金融机构，因为相比大型机构，他们仍然更看重我们像是一家家族银行。\n\n问：你是否记得推荐该账户的那位顾问的名字？\n\n答：我认为那位顾问——Stephen Lawandy（斯蒂芬·拉万迪）是律师，然后Haitham Khaled（海瑟姆·哈立德）是将资金带到我们这里的顾问。\n\n问：在将该账户转入普林斯顿银行的过程中，那位顾问（如果有的话）说他是与谁一起合作的？\n\nMR. BARKAN（巴坎律师）：反对，传闻证据。\n\nTHE COURT（法庭）：反对成立。\n\n问：你是否记得Lamp Capital中是否提及了其他任何个人？\n\n答：当Lamp Capital开户时，账户上的签字人是另一位律师。在我们对该姓名进行调查后，确认是Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）。\n\n问：威尔逊女士，当在普林斯顿银行开立账户时，银行会向潜在客户索取哪些信息（如果有的话）？\n\n答：我们要求，当它是企业账户时，我们需要两份企业身份证明文件。通常是由IRS（美国国税局）核发、载有其EIN（雇主身份识别号）的SS-4表格。EIN号码对于企业而言有点类似于个人的社会安全号。然后另一份文件将是他们通常向州政府备案的成立证明，以及账户所有签字人的全部身份证件。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n通常向州政府备案的成立证明，以及账户所有签字人的全部身份证件。\n\n问：在你收集了这些信息之后，你会对这些信息做些什么（如果有的话）？\n\n答：我们对其进行审查，以确保它是一份合法有效的文件，确认他们确实向国税局提交了备案。他们确实向各州提交了备案。我们审查签字人是否与正在开户的企业文件相符，甚至审查签字人的身份证件是否合法真实。\n\n问：你是否对Lamp Capital的账户进行了BSA审查？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：关于那次审查，你还记得些什么（如果有的话）？\n\n答：实益所有人（这也是我们审查的内容）是企业的最终所有人。我们审查了那些文件。开户文件显示，账户上的签字人并不是企业的实际所有人，因此这对我们来说是一个警示信号。而且他们刚好是律师，不是实际的签字人。在UBO表格（即最终实益所有权表格）上的签字人和企业所有人属于NRA（非居民外国人），即非美国公民。这本身并不是坏事，只是对我们银行而言风险略高一些。\n\n问：我想根据你的审查来讨论Lamp Capital账户的一些特征。你还记得该账户的大致金额吗？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n答：记得。他们开户时，带进来了大约1000万美元。\n\n问：这与你在普林斯顿银行审查过的其他客户账户的金额相比如何（如果有任何可比性的话）？\n\n巴坎律师：反对，关联性。\n\nMS. MURRAY（默里检察官）：这与威尔逊女士刚才谈到的风险评级有关。\n\n法庭：允许回答。\n\n答：在未向该机构申请贷款的情况下，我此前从未见过有人带入如此大笔的资金来开立账户。这高于我们平均的客户群体水平。\n\n默里检察官：法官阁下，双方之间有一项协议，我认为已经作为证据提交了。我来核实一下。这是政府方证据Stip 14。这是一项关于银行记录的协议。依据该协议，此时政府方提交政府方证据GX-BOP-16、BOP-7、BOP-1、BOP-2、BOP-3和BOP-4。\n\n法庭：有异议吗？\n\n巴坎律师：没有异议，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：予以采纳。\n\n（政府方证据BOP-16、BOP-7、BOP-1、BOP-2、BOP-3和BOP-4被采纳为证据）\n\n默里检察官继续询问：\n\n问：Loftus（洛夫特斯）女士，请展示政府方证据BOP-16。威尔逊女士，普林斯顿银行这家机构是否受到任何监管机构的保险保障？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n答：FDIC（联邦存款保险公司）。\n\n问：你能解释一下什么是FDIC吗？\n\n答：FDIC是联邦存款机构，因此他们在财务上为我们的机构提供支持，以保障我们机构内的资金安全，并且他们至少每18个月对我们的银行进行一次检查，以确保我们合规。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，我们现在已经调出来了，请你翻几页。\n威尔逊女士，总体而言你是否认得政府方证据BOP-16？\n\n答：是的，这是账户协议，即开户文件。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以翻到第一页吗。\n这是哪一个账户的文件？\n\n答：这是Lamp Capital的。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请放大整页的最上方部分。\n威尔逊女士，看右上角，这份Lamp Capital的账户协议的日期是什么？\n\n答：2020年9月10日。\n\n问：在左边稍下方一点，签字人的姓名是什么？\n\n答：Daniel Podhaskie。\n\n问：在那下面再次出现了Lamp Capital的名称，Lamp Capital下方框中列出的文本是什么？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n答：新设立的公司。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到第10页。\n威尔逊女士，这份文件是什么？\n\n答：这是实益所有权文件，显示了该企业的最终实益所有人。\n\n问：这份文件是由谁填写的（如果有的话）？\n这份文件中反映的信息是由谁提供的？\n\n答：开户人。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请放大顶部区域直至第一个表格。\n威尔逊女士，开立该账户的人叫什么名字？\n\n答：Daniel Podhaskie。\n\n问：在B项中，该账户的法律实体是什么？\n\n答：Lamp Capital。\n\n问：看C部分，列为Lamp Capital最终实益所有人的姓名是什么？\n\n答：Qiang Guo（郭强）。\n\n问：你能拼读一下吗？\n\n答：Q-I-A-N-G，姓氏是G-U-O。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请放大。在这份文件上与郭强关联的地址是什么？\n\n答：是纽约州纽约市第五大道781号或761号，邮编10002。\n\n问：根据这份文件，该名个人持有哪种类型的护照？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n答：一本香港护照。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到第15页。\n威尔逊女士，这是什么类型的文件？\n\n答：这是他们的有限责任公司协议，所以是一份商业企业文件。\n\n问：普林斯顿银行在开户过程中收集商业企业文件是出于什么原因（如果有的话）？\n\n答：为了核实企业本身的设立情况，而且在企业文件中通常会说明它是什么类型的企业，谁是该企业的签字人。\n\n问：在收集此类公司文件的BSA审查过程中，你会查找哪些内容（如果有的话）？\n\n答：当我们收集公司文件时，我们希望了解它们实际成立的时间、签字人是谁、属于什么类型的企业、与企业相关的任何人、它们的所在地，以及企业实际注册的地点。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请聚焦在顶部的这一部分。\n根据这份有限责任公司协议，Lamp Capital成立的日期是什么？\n\n答：2020年9月8日。\n\n问：列为该公司唯一成员的实体是哪一个？\n\n答：Infinity Treasury Management, Inc.（无限资金管理有限公司）。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请简要返回第一页。\n威尔逊女士，Daniel Podhaskie申请以Lamp Capital名义开立该银行账户的日期是什么？\n\n答：2020年9月10日。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻回第19页，就是那份公司文件的底部。\n威尔逊女士，是谁代表Infinity Treasury Management签署了该有限责任公司协议？\n\n答：Daniel Podhaskie。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到第33页。\n威尔逊女士，这是什么？\n\n答：那是QualiFile（资质审查文件）报告，即支票系统报告。\n\n问：你能描述一下QualiFile反馈结果中反映了什么信息吗？\n\n答：这是一份针对每一个开户的企业或个人运行的报告，每家银行都会运行该报告。所以当我们查看它时，它会显示信息，在某种程度上给你提出是否开立或拒绝该账户的建议。如果有人最近在其他机构开立了账户或在其他机构有核销记录，我们能够在这里看到。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一页。请放大查询详情部分，直至详情二的结尾处。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n\n威尔逊女士，你能简要解释一下这份报告中包含什么信息吗？\n\n答：好的。在这里你可以看到写着2020年8月30日的地方，Daniel Podhaskie也曾前往NexBank（网盛银行）进行咨询并开立账户。因此他完成了在该机构开立账户的流程，至于他们是否实际开立了账户，如果他们对他进行了背景审查，他们很可能已经开立了。然后再次显示的是Santander Bank（桑坦德银行），日期为2020年9月15日。他也曾前往该机构进行咨询并开立账户。\n\n问：我们可以撤下展示了，洛夫特斯女士。谢谢。\nLamp Capital有在普林斯顿银行开立任何账户吗？\n\n答：有的。\n\n问：Lamp Capital的签字人后来是否在普林斯顿银行开立了另一个账户？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：该账户上的名称是什么？\n\n答：Greenwich Land（格林威治地产）。\n\n问：那个Greenwich Land账户大约是什么时候开立的？\n\n答：也是在2020年9月。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请展示已作为证据采纳的政府方证据BOP-7。\n威尔逊女士，这份文件是什么？\n\n答：那是开户文件，即账户协议。\n\n问：请聚焦在整个顶部区域……\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 劳夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），请移到顶部。\n2 这份开户文件的日期是哪一天？\n3 答：2020年9月23日。\n4 问：看右侧，账户名称以及与该账户关联的\n5 个人是谁？\n6 答：Greenwich Land, LLC（格林威治地产有限责任公司）和 Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）。\n7 问：再看左侧所有者/签署人信息栏下方，Daniel Podhaskie 列明的\n8 职业是什么？\n9\n10 答：Attorney（律师）。\n11 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻到第 3 页。\n12 威尔逊女士（Ms. Wilson），请再说一下，这是什么类型的文件？\n13 答：那是 Ultimate Beneficial Ownership（最终受益所有权）文件。\n14 问：劳夫特斯女士，请聚焦在顶部区域。\n15 在 C 项表格中，威尔逊女士，这里列明的\n16 Greenwich Land 的受益所有人是谁？\n17 答：Hing Chi Ngok（岳庆芝）。\n18 问：好的。劳夫特斯女士，请翻到第 8 页。\n19\n20 威尔逊女士，这是什么类型的记录？\n21 答：那是该企业的决议，任何开立\n22 该账户且对该账户拥有管辖权的人都签署了\n23 这份文件。\n24 问：劳夫特斯女士，请缩小画面，翻到下一页、\n25 下一页，再下一页。请聚焦在顶部\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 区域。该有限责任公司是在哪一天\n2 成立的？\n3 答：这是于 2020年9月22日 签署的。\n4 问：谁代表该公司签署了文件？\n5 答：Daniel Podhaskie。\n6 问：所以那是 2020年9月22日。\n7 劳夫特斯女士，请翻回第 1 页。\n8 Daniel Podhaskie 向 Bank of Princeton（普林斯顿银行）申请\n9 Greenwich Land 银行账户的日期是哪一天？\n10 答：2020年9月23日。\n11 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻到第 17 页。\n12 威尔逊女士，这是针对 Greenwich Land 账户的\n13 QualiFile 报告答复吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：翻到下一页，第 18 页，请放大\n16 这里的文字。\n17 与 Greenwich Land 银行账户相关的\n18 查询共有多少次？\n19 答：四次。\n20 问：你能读出与这些查询相关的\n21 日期和银行吗？\n22 答：NexBank、Santander Bank（桑坦德银行）、Signature Bank（签名银行）和 Bank of Princeton。\n23\n24 问：你能否解释一下，Bank of Princeton 为何会（如果有的话）\n25 出现在其自身的 QualiFile 答复中？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 答：他们在 2020年9月16日 也通过 QualiFile 查询了他的姓名，然后在\n2 9月23日 再次进行了查询。\n3 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻到第 23 页。\n4 威尔逊女士，这是什么？\n5 答：那是分行为企业填写的开立新账户核对清单，\n6 旨在确保我们在 BSA（银行保密法）以及法律合规方面\n7 齐备一切，使我们拥有针对企业和个人的适当文件。\n8\n9 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻到下一页。看\n10 页面中间偏下的粗体部分，有一个“If other（若为其他）”\n11 栏，请放大该处。\n12 威尔逊女士，该表格反映了关于\n13 Greenwich Land 属于何种业务类型的什么信息？\n14 答：Capitol management（资本管理）。\n15 问：好的。劳夫特斯女士，可以撤下该文件了。\n16 威尔逊女士，在你作为 BSA 官员履职期间，\n17 在 Lamp Capital 和 Greenwich Land 账户开立后，\n18 你是否对其进行了监控？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：你观察到这些账户的活动有什么情况（如果有的话）？\n21\n22 答：进入这两个账户的资金注入金额，\n23 高于我在普林斯顿银行任职 11 年间所见过的正常水平。\n24 随后从这些账户流出的资金\n25 并不真正符合\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 我们认为资本管理或房地产企业应有的模式，\n2 也不符合我所见过的或此类企业典型的交易模式。\n3\n4 问：你观察到了哪些在你看来不符合典型模式的活动？\n5\n6 答：流出的资金中，有两笔开给受益所有人的\n7 大额支票，每家企业各开出一笔给\n8 各自企业的受益所有人。资金流向了汽车\n9 销售店、葡萄酒庄、一艘游艇，不仅仅是不符合该企业的业务性质。\n10\n11 默里女士（MS. MURRAY）：法官阁下，依据\n12 GX-Stip 14 号证据公认协议，我同时提呈政府证据 GX-BOP-12 和\n13 GX-BOP-10。\n14 法庭：无异议。\n15 巴肯先生（MR. BARKAN）：无异议，法官阁下。\n16 法庭：予以采纳。\n17 （政府证据 BOP-12 和 BOP-10 被采纳为证据）\n18\n19 默里女士继续质询：\n20 问：劳夫特斯女士，请出示 GX-BOP-12。\n21 威尔逊女士，在我们调取该文件时，你是否\n22 在 Greenwich Land 或 Lamp Capital 账户中\n23 观察到任何 OFAC（外国资产控制办公室）命中记录？\n24 答：没有 OFAC 匹配项。\n25 问：威尔逊女士，这是什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 答：那是一份银行对账单。\n2 问：看顶部，这是哪个账户的银行对账单？\n3 答：Lamp Capital, LLC。\n4 问：右上方的对账单截止日期是？\n5 答：2020年10月30日。\n6 问：劳夫特斯女士，请聚焦在页面底部的\n7 账户摘要部分。\n8 威尔逊女士，看账户摘要，该 Lamp Capital\n9 对账单在这一结账周期的期末余额是多少？\n10\n11 答：$4,230,400。\n12 问：我想看一下此处反映的各项交易视图。\n13 在“other credits（其他贷记/入账）”下方的第二项记录，那笔进账电汇的日期是哪一天？\n14\n15 答：2020年10月15日。\n16 问：来自于以何实体名称持有的银行账户？\n17 答：Savio Law, LLC。\n18 问：汇入 Lamp Capital 账户的该笔进账电汇\n19 金额是多少？\n20 答：五百万。\n21 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻到第 3 页。\n22 聚焦在顶部的内容上。劳夫特斯女士，看这里的\n23 第三项，那笔出账电汇的日期是哪一天？\n24\n25 答：2020年10月29日。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 问：汇往何处？\n2 答：Moran Yacht Management, Inc.\n3 问：从 Lamp Capital 账户汇出的该笔出账电汇的\n4 美元金额是多少？\n5 答：$272,525。\n6 问：劳夫特斯女士，可以撤下该文件了，请展示\n7 政府证据 BOP-10。\n8 威尔逊女士，这是什么？\n9 答：这是另一份银行对账单。\n10 问：是针对哪个账户的？\n11 答：Greenwich Land。\n12 问：对账单寄送日期是哪一天？\n13 答：2020年10月30日。\n14 问：同样，请聚焦在从顶部账户摘要\n15 直到底部的区域。\n16 在 2020年10月30日，Greenwich Land\n17 账户的期末余额是多少？\n18 答：将近一千万。\n19 问：看此处列出的进账电汇，请逐一说明\n20 这三笔进账电汇的\n21 日期、资金来源和美元金额？\n22 答：好的，2020年10月15日，有一笔来自 Savio Law, LLC\n23 的进账电汇，金额为五百万。\n24 2020年10月21日，有一笔来自 ACA Capital Group, LTD\n25 的进账电汇，金额为 $999,893.22；而在 2020年10月23日，又有另一笔\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 来自 ACA Capital Group 的进账电汇，金额将近四百万。\n2 问：然后请看该部分底部的“other debits（其他借记/出账）”，\n3 倒数第二笔反映的借记款项，能否请你读出来，\n4 日期是 10月26日？\n5 答：一笔汇往 Sherry-Lehman, Inc. 的出账电汇，金额为 32,220。\n6 问：你知道 Sherry-Lehman, Inc. 是什么类型的公司或企业吗？\n7\n8 答：我不确切记得他们的业务是什么了。\n9 问：劳夫特斯女士，请撤下该文件，并向证人\n10 出示标为政府证据 BOP-40 的材料。\n11 威尔逊女士，你认得这个吗？\n12 答：那是一封电子邮件。\n13 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻动页面。\n14 威尔逊女士，你以前见过这封邮件吗？\n15 答：见过。\n16 问：你收到过这封邮件吗？\n17 答：收到过。\n18 默里女士：法官阁下，政府方提呈\n19 政府证据 BOP-40。\n20 巴肯先生：无异议，法官阁下。\n21 法庭：予以采纳。\n22 （政府证据 BOP-40 被采纳为证据）\n23 默里女士：我们可以出示该文件了。\n24 问：威尔逊女士，从顶部开始，然后我们顺着\n25 邮件链梳理。该邮件链最顶部\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 部分的日期是哪一天？\n2 答：2020年12月18日。\n3 问：这是你发给谁的电子邮件？\n4 答：是我发给我的 BSA 助理官员的。\n5 问：此处完整邮件链的主题是什么？\n6 答：Incoming wires for Greenwich Land（Greenwich Land 的进账电汇）。\n7 问：该邮件有一份附件，那份附件的\n8 标题是什么？\n9 答：Loan agreement ACA verse Greenwich need to sign PDF（ACA 对 Greenwich 借款协议需签署PDF）。\n10 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻到第 3 页。\n11 聚焦在该页大约三分之一处开始的电子邮件，\n12 Miriam Colon（米丽娅姆·科隆）是谁？\n13 答：她是我们在 New Brunswick（新布朗斯维克）办事处的筹划主管/分行经理。\n14 问：Miriam Colon 发出的这封邮件的日期是哪一天？\n15 答：2020年11月19日。\n16 问：发送给谁？\n17 答：Haitham Khaled（海瑟姆·哈立德）和 Daniel Podhaskie。\n18 问：Haitham Khaled 电子邮箱地址的域名是什么？\n19\n20 答：Crane Advisory Group。\n21 问：你知道 Crane Advisory Group 是什么吗？\n22 答：那是他供职的投资咨询公司。\n23 问：那么 Daniel Podhaskie 的邮箱域名呢？\n24 答：是 Lamp Capital。\n25 问：能否请你读出 Miriam Colon 这封邮件的前两行，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 实际上是该邮件的前三行？\n2 答：“先生们，早上好。祝你们度过美好的一天。我的\n3 合规部门正在对该笔款项进行\n4 追溯性审查。”\n5 问：现在上面有黑色文字和\n6 红色文字。你看到了吗？\n7 答：看到了。\n8 问：劳夫特斯女士，请缩小画面，往上翻几页，\n9 看看这第一页的底部。劳夫特斯女士，请\n10 放大该处。\n11 这封邮件是谁发的？\n12 答：那是 Daniel Podhaskie 发的。\n13 问：日期是哪一天？\n14 答：2020年12月2日。\n15 问：他发给谁？\n16 答：发给分行经理 Miriam Colon，并抄送 Haitham Khaled。\n17\n18 问：该邮件的内容写道：“嗨，Miriam。我已将\n19 索要的信息以红色标在下方，所要求的\n20 证明文件随函附上。”你看到了吗？\n21 答：看到了。\n22 问：劳夫特斯女士，请翻回第 3 页。我想\n23 放大那封邮件。\n24 威尔逊女士，Bank of Princeton 在这里的第 1 项中向 Lamp Capital\n25 索要什么信息？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson - 直接询问\n1 答：我们试图了解 ACA Capital Group 的业务\n2 活动、他们的联系方式、实体地址、\n3 电话号码，也就是 ACA Capital 是谁以及有关\n4 该企业的更多信息。\n5 问：你们为何要索取关于该企业的额外信息（如果有原因的话）？\n6\n7 答：因为他们向我们的一位新客户的\n8 Bank of Princeton 账户汇入了巨额资金。\n9 问：看这里的第 2 项，Miriam Colon 的请求是：\n10 “请提供 ACA Capital Group Limited 的组织结构图，\n11 并注明受益所有人。”\n12 Lamp Capital 对该请求的\n13 回复是什么？\n14 答：他们未持有该信息。\n15 问：看第 3 项，Bank of Princeton 要求提供\n16 Greenwich Land 经营所在的行业以及其他\n17 识别详情。你能否读出红色的文字，即来自 Greenwich Land 的\n18 回复？\n19 答：“Greenwich Land 是一家房地产控股公司，\n20 其设立目的是持有和管理房地产\n21 资产。实体地址为 667 Madison Avenue, 5th floor, New York, New York 10065。它是一家私有实体，\n22 不向公众开展营销，因此目前\n23 没有网站。电话号码为 917-225-8178。电子邮箱\n24 地址为 DanielP@LampCapital.org。Greenwich Land 的受益所有人……”\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 所有人是 Hing Chi Ngok（岳庆芝）。\n2 问：然后在第四项中，要求说明\n3 ACA Capital Group（ACA资本集团）与受益人 Greenwich Land,\n4 LLC（格林威治土地有限责任公司）之间的关系，\n5 客户在那里的答复是什么？\n6 答：ACA 是放贷人，Greenwich Land 是借款人。\n7 问：Loftus 女士，如果我们可以缩小画面，并聚焦于第五项\n8 延伸至下一页的答复。即从详细用途一直\n9 到结尾。\n10 Wilson 女士，Miriam Colon（米里亚姆·科隆）要求说明\n11 以下付款的用途。在 2020年10月20日，一笔金额为\n12 $999,913.22 的付款。那是我们刚才看的\n13 账户明细单上反映的那笔付款吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：Miriam Colon 要求提供信息的第二笔付款，\n16 那是哪笔付款？\n17 答：2020年10月22日，金额为 $3,999,935。那是来自\n18 ACA 的另一笔付款，我们刚才在明细单上看到了。\n19 问：再往电子邮件下方看，银行要求提供\n20 证明文件，Greenwich Land 对该要求\n21 作出了什么答复？\n22 答：两笔交易都是贷款协议的一部分。请见\n23 所附贷款协议。\n24 问：现在，银行要求在 14 天内提供信息。您\n25 看到了吗？\n26 答：看到了。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记有限责任公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 问：Loftus 女士，我们再看一下 Colon 女士提出要求的\n2 日期是哪一天？\n3 答：2020年11月19日。\n4 问：我们可以缩小画面，然后往上滚动邮件链。在\n5 那里停一下，这样我们能看到这封电子邮件。\n6 在 2020年11月24日，有一封来自\n7 Miriam Colon 发出的电子邮件，那封电子邮件说了什么？\n8 答：跟进。祝您今天一切顺利。请参见\n9 11月18日发送的电子邮件。我需要就此向我的合规\n10 部门作出回复。能否请您提供\n11 所要求的信息。\n12 问：我们可以缩小画面，Loftus 女士，然后再往上看。\n13 Daniel Podhaskie（丹尼尔·波德哈斯基）是在哪一天答复\n14 Miriam Colon 的？\n15 答：在 24 日，他说，感谢跟进。我们稍后\n16 会回复。\n17 问：然后 2020年12月1日 发生了什么？\n18 答：她再次要求跟进。\n19 问：Loftus 女士，请向上滚动。\n20 然后看这里第一页的底部，\n21 Daniel Podhaskie 是在哪一天提供了所要求的\n22 信息？\n23 答：12月2日。\n24 问：Loftus 女士，如果我们能看一下本页的顶部。\n25 特别是您写给 Wilson 女士的电子邮件。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 您在这里的电子邮件中写了什么？\n2 答：这是关于 Greenwich Land 以及与 ACA\n3 Capital 之间关系的。这些是我们从客户那里收到的答复。\n4 我想跟进这些信息。我和我的助理在\n5 周一回来时可以一起过一遍。\n6 问：我们可以缩小画面，Loftus 女士，让我们看一下这封\n7 电子邮件的附件。在后面几页。如果我们能放大\n8 这里顶部这部分。\n9 Wilson 女士，这是 Daniel Podhaskie\n10 回复银行质询时提供给银行的文件吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：这份文件的标题是什么？\n13 答：贷款协议。\n14 问：该协议的日期是哪一天？\n15 答：2020年10月16日。\n16 问：当事人是谁，首先看第一方？\n17 答：ACA Capital Group 和 Greenwich Land, LLC。\n18 问：Loftus 女士，请缩小画面。并聚焦于\n19 这里第二项的贷款。\n20 Wilson 女士，在这一段的第一句话中，\n21 本贷款协议的贷款金额是多少？\n22 答：五百万。\n23 问：我们可以再次缩小画面，Loftus 女士。请问我们能向下\n24 滚动吗。还有一页还是到此结束了？我们可以\n25 放大签名栏，拜托。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 代表 ACA Capital Group Limited（ACA资本集团有限公司）\n2 签名的实体是哪家？\n3 答：Celestial Tide Limited（天潮有限公司）。\n4 问：Celestial Tide Limited 是如何被描述的？\n5 答：ACA Capital Group Limited 的董事。\n6 问：好的。Loftus 女士，我们可以把那个撤下来了。\n7 Wilson 女士，是否有一段时间，一家名为\n8 G/Club Operations（G俱乐部运营公司）的公司申请在 Bank of\n9 Princeton（普林斯顿银行）开户？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：大约是什么时候？\n12 答：那是在 9 月底 10 月初。\n13 问：哪一年？\n14 答：2020年。\n15 问：您是如何得知该账户申请的（如果有的话）？\n16 答：他们也是由同一位投资\n17 顾问介绍给我们的。\n18 问：您是否对该账户进行了《银行保密法》（BSA）审查？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：关于 G/Club 的开户材料，您能记起什么（如果有的话）？\n21 答：开户文件显示他们是在波多黎各成立的，\n22 业务设立地是在 Puerto Rico（波多黎各），并且他们列出的\n23 地址位于波多黎各和纽约。他们有他们的\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 SS-4 表格，但将要在该企业账户上签字的人员\n2 没有一个出现在企业设立文件上，而且\n3 受益开户人是一名非居民外国人。\n4 问：您提到了 SS-4，那是指什么？\n5 答：SS-4 是他们的雇主识别号（EIN）。这是一封来自美国国税局（IRS）\n6 给企业分配 EIN 号码的信函，就像你拿到你的\n7 社会安全号码一样。那是他们的唯一标识符。\n8 问：Loftus 女士，请出示政府证物 BOP-1。\n9 Wilson 女士，这是您刚才提到的\n10 G/Club Operations 那个账户的账户协议吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否聚焦于顶部左侧\n13 的部分。该账户的机构\n14 全称是什么？\n15 答：G/Club Operations, LLC。\n16 问：G/Club Operations, LLC 列出的地址是什么？\n17 答：590 Madison Avenue, 21st floor, New York, New York 10022（纽约州纽约市麦迪逊大道590号21楼，邮编10022）。\n18 问：该地址下方有一行手写批注。\n19 您看到了吗？\n20 答：看到了。\n21 问：上面写着什么？\n22 答：正确地址。\n23 问：Loftus 女士，如果我们能把已作为证据采纳的\n24 政府证物 SW-2009 与此并排调出来。如果我们能放大\n25 顶部从这里一直到列为“中心”的地址\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 的部分。\n2 Wilson 女士，您看到右侧的这封电子邮件是发给\n3 谁的吗？\n4 答：HaithamK@CraneAdvisoryGroup.com。\n5 问：信头是写给谁的？\n6 答：致 Yvette Wang（王雁平）。\n7 问：看右边那里，有一个名为\n8 “中心”的栏目。您看到了吗？\n9 答：不好意思。请再说一遍。\n10 问：好的。有交易金额。交易详情下\n11 有几个栏目。“中心”下面列出的是什么？\n12 答：纽约，纽约市，麦迪逊大道590号，麦迪逊大道590号，\n13 纽约市 10022。\n14 问：再往下两行，与该笔交易相关的\n15 授权日期是什么？\n16 答：2020年10月14日。\n17 问：保持显示该内容，Loftus 女士，看一下左侧\n18 Bank of Princeton 关于 G/Club Operations 的账户协议，如果我们\n19 能聚焦在那里的所有人/签字人信息上。\n20 谁被列为该账户的所有人/签字人？\n21 答：Yvette Wang。\n22 问：我们刚才在顶部看过的\n23 所列地址，是否与右侧文件上列出的\n24 地址相同？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 问：Loftus 女士，如果我们可以缩小画面，我们将\n2 重新聚焦于 BOP-1。我们可以撤下 SW-2009。请翻到\n3 第三页，聚焦于顶部。实际上，一直\n4 到底部的文本这里。这是在\n5 右下角。\n6 Wilson 女士，开户日期是哪一天？\n7 答：2020年10月30日。\n8 问：左上方，该账户的第二位签字人\n9 叫什么名字？\n10 答：Alex Hadjicharalambous（亚历克斯·哈吉哈拉兰布斯）。\n11 问：这里列出的 Alex Hadjicharalambous 的职业\n12 是什么？\n13 答：主计长。\n14 问：Loftus 女士，请翻到第八页。\n15 Wilson 女士，这又是什么类型的文件？\n16 答：那是有限责任公司的授权\n17 决议。\n18 问：看这里，是哪家公司的？\n19 答：G/Club Operations 公司的。\n20 问：在这份公司文件上，为 G/Club Operations 列出的\n21 地址是什么？\n22 答：纽约州纽约市麦迪逊大道590号21楼，邮编10022。\n23 问：您看到这里的两位账户签字人了吗？\n24 答：Yvette Wang 和 Alex H。\n25 问：他们就是上面在开户文件中\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 所列的相同签字人吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：请翻到第 13 页。Loftus 女士，\n4 如果我们能聚焦于直到该底部的部分。\n5 这张扫描护照上的姓名是什么？\n6 答：Yanping Wang（王雁平）。\n7 问：这本护照的签发国是哪里？\n8 答：中国。\n9 问：然后 Loftus 女士，如果我们能聚焦于这里底部\n10 的手写信息。\n11 Wilson 女士，那上面写着什么？\n12 答：第二种身份证明，职业为经理。\n13 问：我们翻到下一页，第 14 页。\n14 Wilson 女士，这是一张什么图像？\n15 答：一张信用卡。\n16 问：Bank of Princeton 为何（如果有的话）要收集与\n17 开户相关的信用卡扫描件？\n18 答：那可以用作个人的第二种身份证明。\n19 问：这张信用卡上列出的\n20 个人姓名是什么？\n21 答：Golden Spring, New York（金泉，纽约）。名字是 Yanping Wang。\n22 问：请翻到第 21 页。\n23 Wilson 女士，这又是 G/Club Operations 账户的\n24 最终受益所有人证明吗？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 问：看表格，开户人\n2 列为 Alex H，对吗？\n3 答：对。\n4 问：然后该法人实体的名称和地址与我们在开户\n5 文件中一直在看的\n6 是一样的？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：根据这份文件，G/Clubs 的最终受益\n9 所有人姓名是什么？\n10 答：He, Haoran（何浩然）。\n11 问：您能拼读一下吗？\n12 答：H-E，姓氏是，H-A-O-R-A-N。\n13 问：看地址栏，您能读一下那个\n14 地址吗？\n15 答：英国科夫顿哈克特东工路79号（79 East Works Drive Cofton, Hackett, UK）。\n16 问：在底部，如果我们能聚焦于截至——\n17 日期的部分。\n18 该表格是哪一天提交的？\n19 答：2020年10月29日。\n20 问：这是提供给 Bank of Princeton 的关于 G/Clubs 的\n21 一份公司文件；对吗？\n22 答：是的，这是银行提供给他们填写的表格，用来\n23 解释谁是他们的最终受益所有人。\n24 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否翻到第 25 页。\n25 Wilson 女士，这是什么类型的文件？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 主询问\n1 答：这是 G/Club 该企业的\n2 设立证书。\n3 问：看这里，G/Club 是在哪里设立的？\n4 答：波多黎各。\n5 问：在哪个日期？\n6 答：2020年10月7日。\n7 法官：好的。现在是下午 3 点，因此我们今天的\n8 工作结束了。陪审团成员们，请记住，\n9 你们不得在彼此之间或与任何其他人\n10 讨论本案。不要允许任何人在你们面前\n11 讨论本案。不要阅读、观看或收听来自\n12 任何来源的、涉及本次审判标的之任何内容。\n13 祝各位度过一个愉快的夜晚。我期望看到各位\n14 明天 9:30 做好进入法庭的准备。谢谢大家。\n15 法庭书记员：陪审团退庭。\n16 （陪审团不在场）\n17 法官：您可以退庭了。请勿讨论您的\n18 证言。\n19 （证人暂时退庭）\n20 （待续于下一页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6DBGUO4 Wilson- 直接询问\n（陪审团不在场）\n法庭：请坐。我们预计明天由谁出庭作证？\n默里女士（MS. MURRAY）：我们将继续对威尔逊女士（Ms. Wilson）进行询问，然后是由我们之前讨论过的 Bitgo 员工萨姆·罗伯茨（Sam Roberts）出庭，接着是博·柯林斯（Bo Collins）。关于柯林斯先生，我们预计明天无法完成对他的直接询问。但关于我们今天上午提出的文件问题，我们已与辩护律师沟通。我们的提议是，如果法庭同意，万一我们在明天完成了对他的直接询问，我们将请求休庭，以便辩方利用周末时间准备交叉询问。不过，我认为这种情况极不可能发生。我预计当天结束时他仍在接受直接询问。\n法庭：还有其他事吗？\n默里女士：控方没有其他事项。\n法庭：好的。谢谢。请让证人明天 9:29 到庭作证。祝各位晚安。\n（休庭至 2024年6月14日 上午 9:00）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\n证人询问索引\n询问对象： 页码\nMINRAN WU（吴民然）\n弗格森先生（Mr. Fergenson）进行直接询问 . . . . . . . . . . .2393\n希里克先生（Mr. Schirick）进行交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .2431\n弗格森先生进行再直接询问 . . . . . . . . . .2499\n希里克先生进行再交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . .2506\n弗格森先生进行再直接询问 . . . . . . . . . .2513\nKIMBERLY ESPINOZA（金伯利·埃斯皮诺萨）\n芬克尔先生（Mr. Finkel）进行直接询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2514\n希里克先生进行交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .2530\nJAMIE WILSON（杰米·威尔逊）\n默里女士进行直接询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2536\n控方证据\n证据编号 采纳页码\nVNB1-3, IDB1, IDB3, IDB4, IDB7, SIG1, . . . .2515\nSIL4, SIL3, SIL40\nCAP623 及 CAP624 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2516\nBOP-16, BOP-7, BOP-1, BOP-2, BOP-3 及 . . .2542\nBOP-4\nBOP-12 及 BOP-10 . . . . . . . . . . . . .2551\nVN-12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2413\nZ12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2517\nVN13 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2410\nVN-37 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2420\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nVN39 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2394\nBOP-40 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2554\nBR451 及 BR452 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2515\n辩方证据\n证据编号 采纳页码\n7003 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2509\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300","key_entities":[],"ecf_references":[],"word_count":40480,"status":"published","published_at":"2024-07-23 00:00:00","created_at":"2024-07-23","updated_at":"2026-08-23 08:37:01"}