{"id":"court_sdny_433_0","court":"SDNY","case_no":"","doc_number":433,"sub_number":null,"doc_type":"DOC","filed_date":"2024-07-23","title":"SDNY ECF 433","summary_zh":"庭审记录——美国诉Ho Wan Kwok（Miles Guo / Guo Wengui / 郭文贵）案，SDNY 1:23-cr-00118 ECF 433，2024年6月20日。法官Analisa Torres主持庭审，检控与辩护方就证人Elizabeth Berstler关于金融账户转账交易的作证内容、以及该证言对欺诈罪指控之关联性进行法律论证。","summary_en":"Trial transcript — United States v. Ho Wan Kwok (Miles Guo / Guo Wengui), SDNY 1:23-cr-00118 ECF 433, June 20, 2024. Judge Analisa Torres presides as prosecution and defense counsel debate witness testimony from Morgan Stanley account associate Elizabeth Berstler regarding wire transfer transactions and materiality to bank fraud charges.","body_en":"O6K1GUO1\n1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK\n2 ------------------------------x\nUNITED STATES OF AMERICA,\n3\nv. 23 Cr. 118 (AT)\n4\nMILES GUO,\n5\nDefendant. Trial\n6 ------------------------------x\nNew York, N.Y.\n7 June 20, 2024\n9:00 a.m.\n8\nBefore:\n9\n10 HON. ANALISA TORRES,\n11 District Judge\n-and a Jury-\n12\nAPPEARANCES\n13\nDAMIAN WILLIAMS\n14 United States Attorney for the\nSouthern District of New York\n15 BY: MICAH F. FERGENSON\nRYAN B. FINKEL\n16 JUSTIN HORTON\nJULIANA N. MURRAY\n17 Assistant United States Attorneys\n18 SABRINA P. SHROFF\nAttorney for Defendant\n19\nPRYOR CASHMAN LLP\n20 Attorneys for Defendant\nBY: SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU\n21 MATTHEW BARKAN\n22 ALSTON & BIRD LLP\nAttorneys for Defendant\n23 BY: E. SCOTT SCHIRICK\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 ALSO PRESENT:\nIsabel Loftus, Paralegal Specialist, USAO\n2 Robert Stout, Special Agent, FBI\nRuben Montilla, Defense Paralegal\n3 Tuo Huang, Interpreter (Mandarin)\nShi Feng, Interpreter (Mandarin)\n4 Yu Mark Tang, Interpreter (Mandarin)\n5\n6\n7\n8\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 (Trial resumed; jury not present)\n2 THE COURT: Good morning.\n3 ALL COUNSEL: Good morning, your Honor.\n4 THE COURT: Would you make your appearance, please.\n5 MS. MURRAY: Good morning, your Honor. Juliana Murray\n6 and Micah Fergenson on behalf of the United States. We're\n7 joined by paralegal specialist Isabel Loftus.\n8 MS. SHROFF: Good morning, your Honor. On behalf of\n9 Mr. Kwok, Sabrina Shroff, Sid Kamaraju, and Scott Schirick, and\n10 Jorge Salazar.\n11 THE COURT: Please be seated.\n12 Very early this morning I received a letter from Bess\n13 Fung, and she claims that her father, Henry Fung, was \"victim\n14 of the GTV scam,\" and asking to testify on his behalf and, if\n15 that's not possible, having the father testify. So I am going\n16 to have that letter uploaded to the docket.\n17 Is there anything you'd like to tell me about?\n18 MR. FERGENSON: Yes, your Honor. One matter from the\n19 government. The government expects that a Morgan Stanley\n20 employee will testify today. Her name is Elizabeth Berstler.\n21 She was an account associate for the G|CLUBS account at Morgan\n22 Stanley. The thrust of her testimony concerns wire transfer\n23 requests that G|CLUBS made. Specifically, they requested a\n24 10 million GBP——British pound——transfer to Fiesta Properties\n25 Development Ltd. in the UK. That was pursuant to what was\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 represented to be a loan agreement for that amount between\n2 G|CLUBS and Fiesta. Morgan Stanley made I think ultimately\n3 four wire transfers pursuant to that request to transfer the\n4 balance of the 10 million to Fiesta.\n5 In connection with those requests, Morgan Stanley's\n6 fraud operations department flagged the initial wire and\n7 requested that Ms. Berstler obtain the purpose of the wire from\n8 the client. She did so. The purpose was represented to be a\n9 loan agreement so that Fiesta could make a real estate property\n10 purchase. That wasn't true. The Fiesta money was used to buy\n11 a $4½ million Ferrari for Mr. Guo's son, Mileson Guo, or Qiang\n12 Guo. And I flagged this for your Honor because we would like\n13 to ask, in order to prove materiality of the bank fraud object\n14 of our 1349 count, ask the witness, you know, if she had known\n15 that the purpose provided to her was not how the funds would\n16 actually be used, would she have processed the wire transfer.\n17 And I wanted to raise that in advance for your Honor, given our\n18 prior discussions on it. That was the subject of our motion in\n19 limine, where we asked to be able to ask such questions to\n20 victims and banks in order to prove materiality, banks in\n21 particular, for the 1349 object of bank fraud.\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, I won't go through the\n23 defense's, you know, factual disputes with Mr. Fergenson's\n24 characterization of that transaction. Suffice it to say we\n25 don't agree that that's correct.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 Having said that, I think with respect to the\n2 materiality question, the defense's position is twofold. One,\n3 it's unclear to us, at least, that this witness had any\n4 authority whatsoever to either approve or disprove or decline\n5 to give approval for this particular transaction. Our\n6 understanding is that that approval authority rested with other\n7 parts of the bank and that this witness cannot testify to that.\n8 So that's a foundational issue number one.\n9 And number two, to the extent that the Court does\n10 permit this testimony, we would just ask that we have\n11 reciprocal ability to ask similar hypothetical questions.\n12 THE COURT: So do you know whether she had\n13 decision-making authority? Because if she did not, then the\n14 question would be: Had you known this, would you have reported\n15 this to your superiors?\n16 MR. FERGENSON: Yes, your Honor, and I think your\n17 Honor hit the nail on the head with the follow-up question. As\n18 would happen at a large bank, she's one link in the chain of\n19 approving a wire transfer. So she receives the misrep and then\n20 she conveys it to fraud operations, which then approves the\n21 wire transfer. So, you know, I think that suffices. That's\n22 enough.\n23 THE COURT: So I will permit first a question as to\n24 her decision-making authority, her role, and a question in\n25 which you ask had she known that the purpose was the purchase\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 of the car, would she have given that information to whomever\n2 it is that she would have given it to.\n3 MR. FERGENSON: Understood.\n4 I'm not sure what the other hypothetical questions may\n5 be, your Honor. I guess we can see; we can address them as\n6 they come up from the defense.\n7 THE COURT: Okay.\n8 MR. SCHIRICK: Nothing further if the Court is fine\n9 with that, leaving the hypothetical issue there. We can take\n10 it up in realtime.\n11 MS. SHROFF: May I, your Honor?\n12 THE COURT: Yes, you may. Go ahead.\n13 MS. SHROFF: As to Ms. Fung, the defense has no\n14 position, just to close that loop. Thank you.\n15 I did have one additional matter to raise regarding\n16 the first witness, through whom the government seeks to\n17 introduce various photographs, and they're not seeking to admit\n18 the underlying seizure of the material, simply the photographs.\n19 So part of the photographs that they seek to introduce\n20 at trial are several boxes of scarves and personal items that\n21 were found in Ms. Wang's apartment, another group of\n22 photographs of Ms. Wang's apartment itself, and then the third\n23 group of photographs seem to concern cash that was seized/found\n24 in her apartment. I understand that this is a conspiracy case.\n25 Nevertheless, it is the defense's position that seeking to\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 introduce photographs of the material seized would be (1)\n2 improper based on relevance, (2) photographs themselves are\n3 simply evidence of the photograph, not the underlying seizure,\n4 but (3) on the matter especially of the credit cards and the\n5 cash, the government wants to introduce them without providing\n6 the defense with a witness that could be crossed. So the 3500\n7 material for the witness itself says she had no role to play in\n8 any of the seizure. She simply took the photograph. So if the\n9 Court were to allow into evidence, over my objection, for\n10 example, the cash, I would not be able to cross-examine because\n11 the witness would simply say, I don't know. I would not be\n12 able to elicit from the witness the fact that the cash is dated\n13 as far back as 2013, a fact that the government is aware of,\n14 because it was flagged for them during Ms. Wang's bail\n15 application and there was an affidavit introduced by Ms. Wang's\n16 lawyer saying that he had gone to their offices, examined the\n17 cash, the denominations of the notes itself go as far back as\n18 2013. So normally, I would understand that the Court would\n19 say, well, they're admissible, Ms. Shroff, you can cross on\n20 weight. But I don't have a witness whom I can cross because\n21 she's the one who just took the photographs.\n22 THE COURT: So you understand that the prosecution\n23 wishes to use these photographs as fruits of the alleged fraud.\n24 MS. SHROFF: Sure. But——\n25 THE COURT: And so you have not challenged the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 legality of the seizure.\n2 MS. SHROFF: I can't. I don't have standing. It's\n3 not my client's home; it's Ms. Wang's home.\n4 THE COURT: And Ms. Wang has pleaded guilty.\n5 MS. SHROFF: Right.\n6 THE COURT: I'll hear from the prosecution.\n7 MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor.\n8 We believe that all of those categories of photographs\n9 reflecting the evidence from the search warrant should come in.\n10 As to the first category, well, initial matter, there\n11 is a stipulation between the parties as to the\n12 photographs——both that the photographs from the search are true\n13 and accurate photographs that were taken on that day pursuant\n14 to a lawful premises search, and then as to the photographs of\n15 the items that were seized, that those were photographs of\n16 items that were lawfully seized, and those photos were taken\n17 either on the day of the search or later by someone who\n18 participated in the lawful seizure of those items. It's for\n19 efficiency that the government seeks to introduce these\n20 photographs through one witness in order to bring in the search\n21 instead of calling multiple witnesses who can speak to the\n22 actual items seized, parading in boxes of the items that were\n23 actually seized. And there's no question as to the\n24 authenticity of any of these photographs or what they\n25 represent. The parties have stipulated to that.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 With respect to the photographs of boxes of Hermès\n2 scarves and bags, the government argues that those are fruits\n3 of the fraud that's charged. Those are very expensive items.\n4 They're something that has been litigated in Ms. Wang's bail as\n5 items that she purchased that were during the charged\n6 conspiracy that were high-value items. There's no reason to\n7 prohibit the government from bringing those in.\n8 I'm not sure the basis, if any, for excluding\n9 photographs of the apartment. That's just establishing the\n10 area that was actually searched pursuant to the warrant.\n11 And then with respect to the cash, it was\n12 approximately $138,000 in bulk cash that was seized from the\n13 safe. Ms. Shroff is correct; there was argument with respect\n14 to Ms. Wang. Her counsel came to the FBI's offices, inspected\n15 every bill of the cash. The fact that some of the money was\n16 brought into circulation in 2013, it's the government's\n17 contention, has absolutely no bearing on when it was actually\n18 obtained by Ms. Wang. I don't have a dollar bill on me right\n19 now, but I suspect that if I looked at cash that I had in hand,\n20 it would not all be dated 2024. Which is to say that money is\n21 in circulation and it is fungible and it comes in and out, and\n22 the fact of the issuance of those bills has no bearing on the\n23 government's contention; and specifically, the government's\n24 contention is that a large amount of bulk cash was taken from a\n25 safe pursuant to a lawful seizure warrant, so we don't see any\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 basis to exclude our introducing that.\n2 THE COURT: And the witness, what relationship does\n3 she have to the seizure?\n4 MS. MURRAY: The witness was the photographer, so she\n5 was present. It's like one of the other witnesses that we had\n6 for a prior lawful premises search. She was present and took\n7 the photos during the search.\n8 And again, your Honor, we do have a stipulation as to\n9 the photos, both the photos from the search and the photos of\n10 the items seized.\n11 THE COURT: I'm going to admit the photos.\n12 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may I just——I just want to\n13 make sure that I put on the record the following: I did not\n14 argue authenticity of any of the material or the photographs.\n15 My argument was simply to relevance.\n16 And just to go back to what Ms. Murray is saying to\n17 the Court, yes, I too have a dollar bill in my pocket; it could\n18 be from 2013, or it could be from 2023. The point is, that's\n19 an equipoise. I would not be able to argue anything because I\n20 do not have a witness that I can cross. That's the point. Of\n21 course the bill could be in circulation; it could have been in\n22 circulation since 2019 or 2001 or 1984. That's not the point.\n23 The point is, I am unable to argue that, (1) because I don't\n24 have the correct witness, and (2) because I do not have the\n25 underlying notes. I do not have the dollar bills.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n1 I also just want to make sure that the Court is aware\n2 that this matter was part of the docket. It is docket entry\n3 81-18. The government has known about this argument since the\n4 filing of that particular docket number. And there are 16\n5 separate stacks of cash. The review of the stacks of cash show\n6 that they range from 2013 to 2017. I would not be able to\n7 cross-examine on any of this.\n8 I also just note, in terms of the number of\n9 photographs the government seeks to introduce, it's 122\n10 photographs. We have no objection to the photographs of the\n11 physical layout of the home. They believe that to be relevant.\n12 I don't see how. That's the Court's ruling; I understand that.\n13 But to argue that everything in that apartment is a proceed of\n14 a fraud without providing to the defense a witness that can be\n15 crossed on that issue would not be fair to Mr. Guo.\n16 And finally, just one point. Expediency for the\n17 government does not trump Mr. Kwok's rights to due process and\n18 the proper witness.\n19 So for those reasons, we continue to object. Thank\n20 you, your Honor.\n21 MS. MURRAY: And just briefly on that, your Honor, I\n22 would note that Mr. Guo does not have standing to challenge\n23 this search, nor has he challenged legality of the search.\n24 I would also note that we are aware that there will be\n25 a defense case——we're aware of that from recent conversations\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 with the defense——so to the extent that they want to call a\n2 witness to challenge any of these issues, they may do so in\n3 their case.\n4 THE COURT: Okay. I've heard enough on the issue.\n5 I've heard enough argument on this issue. I am admitting the\n6 photographs.\n7 Is there anything else?\n8 MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor. I just think burden\n9 shifting would be against the law and the Constitution.\n10 THE COURT: Nothing further before we start at 9:30?\n11 MR. KAMARAJU: Not from the defense.\n12 MS. MURRAY: Not from the government.\n13 THE COURT: All right. So if you'll have your next\n14 witness on the stand, or standing at least next to the stand by\n15 9:29, please.\n16 MS. MURRAY: Will do.\n17 (Recess)\n18 THE COURT: Please have the jurors brought in.\n19 (Continued on next page)\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 (Jury present)\n2 THE COURT: Please be seated.\n3 Good morning, jurors, after a glorious day off.\n4 THE JURORS: Good morning.\n5 THE COURT: We're going to start fresh with a new\n6 witness.\n7 Would the prosecution call its witness, please.\n8 MR. HORTON: Your Honor, the government calls\n9 Alexandra Gale.\n10 (Witness sworn)\n11 THE COURT: Would you state your name and spell it,\n12 please.\n13 THE WITNESS: Alexandra Gale. A-L-E-X-A-N-D-R-A, and\n14 the last name is G-A-L-E.\n15 THE COURT: Ms. Gale, I'm going to need you to get\n16 very, very close to the microphone so that we can all hear you.\n17 THE WITNESS: Okay. Is that better?\n18 THE COURT: That is better, but you can get even\n19 closer.\n20 THE WITNESS: Okay.\n21 THE COURT: And Mr. Horton, I want you also to get\n22 close to the microphone so that we can hear.\n23 MR. HORTON: Yes, your Honor.\n24 THE COURT: You may inquire.\n25 MR. HORTON: Thank you, your Honor.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 ALEXANDRA GALE,\n2 called as a witness by the Government,\n3 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:\n4 DIRECT EXAMINATION\n5 BY MR. HORTON:\n6 Q. Good morning, Ms. Gale.\n7 A. Good morning.\n8 Q. Where do you work?\n9 A. The FBI in New York.\n10 Q. And what is your title at the FBI?\n11 A. I'm a staff operations specialist.\n12 Q. What office are you assigned to?\n13 A. The New York field office.\n14 Q. And Ms. Gale, how long have you been with the FBI?\n15 A. Approximately five years full time.\n16 Q. What are your various duties as a staff operations\n17 specialist at the FBI?\n18 A. I'm more of a tactical analyst, so we do analysis of social\n19 media, telephones, open-source research kind of stuff.\n20 Q. And when, if ever, does your job require you to take\n21 pictures?\n22 A. I am a collateral duty photographer.\n23 Q. And what does that mean, a collateral duty photographer?\n24 A. So I'm a backup. If they need an extra person, if one of\n25 them is out of the office or if they have multiple locations on\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 a search, then they'll ask me to do it.\n2 Q. And as a photographer for the FBI, what do you take\n3 photographs of?\n4 A. Typically search warrant executions.\n5 Q. And what is a search warrant execution?\n6 A. We will——if a squad gets a search warrant for a location,\n7 then they're allowed to go in and search legally.\n8 Q. And what sort of training, if any, do you have to be an FBI\n9 photographer?\n10 A. I learned from the FBI photographers that are full-time\n11 photographers, and they taught me by taking me out with them\n12 and doing their photo log so I would see the way that they did\n13 photography in a search warrant, and then they would have me do\n14 it myself while they were there to make sure I was doing it\n15 correctly.\n16 Q. You said you learned in part by doing a photo log. What's\n17 a photo log?\n18 A. It's a log that somebody on the search team will keep with\n19 the photographer, so every time the photographer takes a photo,\n20 the logger will write the number of the photo and what was\n21 taken in the photo.\n22 Q. Ms. Gale, I want to direct your attention to March 15,\n23 2023. What, if anything, did you do at work that day?\n24 A. I photographed a search.\n25 Q. And where was the location of the search that you\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 photographed that day?\n2 A. It was somewhere in Manhattan.\n3 Q. Do you remember what street it was on?\n4 A. I think it was East 64th.\n5 Q. Did the FBI have a search warrant that day?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And what did the search warrant allow the FBI to do?\n8 A. Search the apartment that we had searched.\n9 MR. HORTON: Your Honor, at this time the government\n10 offers a stipulation that has been marked as GX Stip 4.\n11 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n12 (Government's Exhibit Stip 4 received in evidence)\n13 MR. HORTON: Could we publish it, please, Ms. Loftus.\n14 The document is entitled Stipulation Regarding Wang\n15 Apartment Search, and it says that the parties agree that if\n16 called as a witness at trial, a special agent of the Federal\n17 Bureau of Investigation (\"the FBI\") would testify as follows:\n18 On March 15, 2023, Special Agents and other FBI\n19 employees executed a lawful search of 188 East 64th Street,\n20 Apartment 1601, New York, New York. During the course of that\n21 search, FBI personnel took photographs of interior space of 188\n22 East 64th Street, Apartment 1601, New York, New York, and also\n23 lawfully seized items, documents, and electronic devices.\n24 At the time of the search, Yvette (Yanping) Wang was\n25 the sole resident of 188 East 64th Street, Apartment 1601, New\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 York, New York.\n2 GX WA1 - 135 are fair and accurate photographs of\n3 interior spaces of 188 East 64th Street that were lawfully\n4 captured by an FBI photographer on March 15, 2023, when\n5 conducting the search.\n6 GX WA601 - 656 are fair and accurate images of\n7 documents and items that were located at 188 East 64th Street,\n8 Apartment 1601, New York, New York, on March 15, 2023, during\n9 the search.\n10 It says, it is further stipulated and agreed that this\n11 stipulation may be received into evidence.\n12 GX WA1 - 12, 14 through 79——I apologize. Let me\n13 correct that. 14 - 68, 69 - 79, 83 - 85, 89 - 92, 95 - 115,\n14 123, 124, and 126 - 135, all of which are covered in the\n15 stipulation.\n16 THE COURT: They are admitted.\n17 (Government's Exhibits WA1-WA12, WA14-WA68, WA69-WA79,\n18 WA83-WA85, WA89-WA92, WA95-WA115, WA123, WA124, and WA126-WA135\n19 received in evidence)\n20 MR. HORTON: Thank you, Ms. Loftus. You can take that\n21 down.\n22 BY MR. HORTON:\n23 Q. Ms. Gale, what was the first thing you did when you arrived\n24 at this apartment on March 15, 2023?\n25 A. I spoke to the search team leader.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 Q. And what did you speak to her about?\n2 A. We did a walk-through of the apartment before I started\n3 taking photos to decide what to label each room.\n4 Q. And what happens before you do a walk-through?\n5 A. The agents on the search warrant will clear the apartment\n6 to make sure it's safe.\n7 Q. And what does it mean for agents to clear an apartment?\n8 A. They'll go in and check if anyone is in there.\n9 Q. You said you did a walk-through. Can you explain to the\n10 jury what a walk-through is.\n11 A. So basically we'll walk through the apartment and label\n12 each room, typically in the order that they walk through it.\n13 So, for example, if the kitchen is the first room, we'll label\n14 that A. So we walked through to see what the layout was, and\n15 then came back out of the apartment.\n16 Q. And after your walk-through that morning, Ms. Gale, what\n17 did you do next?\n18 A. We started entry photos.\n19 Q. And what do you mean by entry photos?\n20 A. So before any searching happens, I take photographs of the\n21 entire apartment as is before we start touching anything.\n22 Q. During the walk-through and during the entry photos, what,\n23 if anything, do you do, or what, if anything, did you do to\n24 items that you see in the apartment?\n25 A. Nothing.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 Q. And what happened next after you took entry photos?\n2 A. Then I tell the search team later that they're good to\n3 start searching.\n4 Q. And what do you do when the search is happening?\n5 A. I will wait for somebody searching to ask me to take a\n6 photo of any evidence or important items that they might have\n7 found.\n8 Q. Are you ever able to take photos on your own? Let me\n9 withdraw that.\n10 Who decides what photos you take?\n11 A. The searching agents or FBI staff.\n12 Q. And how does an agent ask you to take a photo?\n13 A. They will just call my name and say, hey, can you come take\n14 a photo of this.\n15 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can you pull up what's in\n16 evidence as GX WA2.\n17 Q. While that's coming up, Ms. Gale, were you the only person\n18 taking photos for the FBI that morning?\n19 A. Correct.\n20 MR. HORTON: Okay. Can we please publish this,\n21 Ms. Loftus.\n22 Q. Did you take this photo, Ms. Gale?\n23 A. I did.\n24 Q. What are we looking at here?\n25 A. This is a picture of——I was standing in the hallway taking\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 a photo with the door open of the first thing you see when you\n2 walk into the apartment.\n3 Q. And where in relation to this photo is the kitchen?\n4 A. Just to the left.\n5 MR. HORTON: Okay. Can we put up WA9, please,\n6 Ms. Loftus.\n7 THE COURT: Are you saying that the door on the right\n8 is the front door?\n9 THE WITNESS: That's correct.\n10 Q. What room in the apartment was this photo taken in,\n11 Ms. Gale?\n12 A. This is the kitchen.\n13 Q. And what does it show?\n14 A. Looks like a number of phones charging, water bottle,\n15 fruit.\n16 Q. Are those the only phones you took photos of that morning?\n17 A. I don't think so.\n18 MR. HORTON: Could we pull up WA107.\n19 Q. Did you take this photo, Ms. Gale?\n20 A. I did.\n21 Q. What does it show?\n22 A. An Apple iPhone.\n23 Q. Is this one of the phones that was charging in the kitchen?\n24 A. I don't know if it's the same one.\n25 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up WA15.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 Q. What room in the apartment is this, Ms. Gale?\n2 A. This is the bedroom.\n3 Q. And is this how it appeared when you entered that morning?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, could you zoom in to the sort\n6 of center of the image.\n7 And if you could zoom in to the item in the middle of\n8 the screen.\n9 Q. Was this item there when you came into the bedroom that\n10 morning, Ms. Gale?\n11 A. Yes, it was.\n12 Q. And what is it?\n13 A. Looks like a photo of a person.\n14 Q. Do you know who's in that photo?\n15 A. I don't.\n16 Q. And what does it say, if anything, at the top of the photo?\n17 A. \"The Hero.\"\n18 MR. HORTON: Okay. You can take that down, please,\n19 Ms. Loftus.\n20 Ms. Loftus, if you could put up at the same time\n21 WA62-64, please.\n22 Q. Looking at the top left of your screen, WA62, Ms. Gale,\n23 what are we looking at there? What's the frame around the\n24 outside?\n25 A. This is a photo of the——an open safe, and you're looking at\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 the contents of the safe.\n2 Q. And so where was the bag on the right found?\n3 A. In that safe, on the left.\n4 Q. What's depicted in the image at the bottom here, WA64?\n5 A. Cash.\n6 Q. And where was that cash found?\n7 A. In the bag that was found in the safe.\n8 Q. What room in the apartment was the safe found in?\n9 A. I believe it was the bedroom.\n10 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could take these down,\n11 please, and put up WA41.\n12 Q. Ms. Gale, what are we looking at here?\n13 A. This is a clear organizer with paper clips, whiteout, pens,\n14 and thumb drives.\n15 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, could you zoom in to the left\n16 side of the drawer, please.\n17 Q. And what is shown on the flash drives, Ms. Gale?\n18 A. Two of them have labels.\n19 Q. Do you know what MK is?\n20 A. I don't.\n21 MR. HORTON: You can take that down, please,\n22 Ms. Loftus.\n23 Q. Ms. Gale, did you take pictures of hard-copy documents at\n24 this apartment?\n25 A. Yes, I did.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 Q. And how did you decide which photos to take?\n2 A. Whatever the searching agents and FBI professional staff\n3 asked me to take.\n4 Q. And where in the apartment were the hard-copy documents\n5 that you took photos of?\n6 A. I know there were some in the living room. I don't\n7 remember if there were others as well.\n8 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can you pull up WA20, please.\n9 If you could zoom in to the top of the document on the\n10 left side, please, and highlight the To line and the Date line,\n11 please.\n12 Q. Ms. Gale, what kind of document is this?\n13 A. It looks like a printed email.\n14 Q. And what are the names next to the email addresses in the\n15 to line?\n16 A. Do you want me to read the email itself or just the name?\n17 Q. I'm sorry. Could you just read what's written next to the\n18 email addresses in the To line, please.\n19 A. Ladym space g and Max Krasner.\n20 Q. Do you know what ladym g means?\n21 A. I don't.\n22 Q. And do you know who Max Krasner is?\n23 A. I don't.\n24 Q. What's the date of this document?\n25 A. Tuesday, March 14th, 2023.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom out and\n2 then capture the part from \"Dear Miss Guo\" to the third\n3 photograph.\n4 If you could highlight the first sentence in that\n5 third paragraph, please.\n6 Q. And then Ms. Gale, if you could read that, aloud.\n7 A. It says, \"I have copied Mr. Max Krasner, whom I was\n8 regularly I contact with for Whitecroft, on this reply.\"\n9 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can you replace that with\n10 WA109, please.\n11 And Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom in to what's written\n12 on the item on the left, please.\n13 Q. What does this image show, Ms. Gale?\n14 A. It's a photo of a notepad with handwritten notes on it.\n15 Q. And what, if anything, is written at the top of the notepad\n16 on the left side?\n17 A. The word Max.\n18 Q. Under that, there are lines that start with what look like\n19 hyphens. Could you just read the first word or acronym for\n20 each of those items from top to bottom under Max.\n21 A. Yeah, it's GSNY, and then in parentheses (Citi).\n22 The next one is Genever, G-E-N-E-V-E-R.\n23 The third one said Leading.\n24 The fourth one says Greenwich LLC.\n25 And then the next one is S-A-R-A-C-A.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 And then ROLS and then Hudson.\n2 Q. Do you know what any of those mean?\n3 A. I don't.\n4 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, could you replace this one\n5 with WA68, please.\n6 And then please zoom in to the text of the document\n7 and highlight what's written at the top.\n8 Q. Did you take this photo, Ms. Gale?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Can you please read what's written at the top of this\n11 document.\n12 A. HCN Allocation at USD 0.1.\n13 Q. Do you know what HCN allocation means?\n14 A. I do not.\n15 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could highlight just\n16 below the middle of this list, the line that starts Andrew Law\n17 and Roger Smee, those two lines, and extend to the end of the\n18 row, please.\n19 Q. Ms. Gale, can you please read these two line items.\n20 A. \"Andrew Law: Mileson's friend.\"\n21 And, \"Roger Smee: Mileson's friend.\"\n22 Q. And what is on the same line of those words?\n23 A. A dollar amount.\n24 Q. And what's the dollar amount for each of those lines?\n25 A. I believe the one in line with Andrew Law is either 980,000\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 or 300,000, and then Roger Smee looks like 250,000, or the line\n2 above.\n3 Q. And Ms. Gale, can you read what's at the top of the column\n4 where those figures are.\n5 A. It says Total HCN.\n6 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could highlight the\n7 line that's three above Andrew Law, please.\n8 Q. And can you read that line item for us, Ms. Gale.\n9 A. Yeah, the name is spelled Y-A-N-P-I-N-G space W-A-N-G, and\n10 it looks like the dollar amount is probably the 6,999,800, but\n11 it could also be the 20 million.\n12 Q. Do you have any idea what this list represents?\n13 A. I don't.\n14 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could please replace\n15 this with WA26.\n16 And if you could zoom in around the content of the\n17 document, please.\n18 Sorry, Ms. Loftus. If you could get the word that's\n19 at the top of the document. Thank you.\n20 Q. Ms. Gale, was this document in the apartment that day?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. And what does it say at the top?\n23 A. Inventory.\n24 Q. What kinds of things are shown on this document?\n25 A. It looks like motor vehicles.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 Q. Looking at the second column from the left, it says\n2 Year/Make.\n3 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can you zoom in on the third\n4 from the bottom, starting with 2021 in the Year/Make column,\n5 that whole line.\n6 Q. What's written in the Year/Make column here second from the\n7 left, Ms. Gale?\n8 A. 2021 Lamborghini Aventador.\n9 Q. The column to the——and then there's a picture of a car to\n10 its right. The column to the right at the top says State in\n11 that. What's in that box?\n12 A. CT.\n13 Q. What, if anything, do you understand CT to mean?\n14 A. Connecticut.\n15 Q. Moving to the right side of this line, the box second from\n16 the left is in a column entitled Owner. Can you please read\n17 what's in the Owner column for the 2021 Lamborghini Aventador.\n18 A. Yes. The last name is spelled D-E-F-E-N-G, looks like the\n19 given name is C-A-O, with an address, 373 Taconic,\n20 T-A-C-O-N-I-C, Road in Greenwich, Connecticut.\n21 Q. And the box to the right of that is in a column entitled\n22 Notes. Can you please read what's in the notes column for the\n23 2021 Lamborghini Aventador.\n24 A. It says \"G Club International Ltd?\"\n25 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom out and\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 then zoom in on the line four above that, starting with 2021\n2 Ducati in the Year/Make column. Do you know what a Ducati is,\n3 Ms. Gale?\n4 A. I don't.\n5 Q. Okay. What's shown in the photo box for this line item for\n6 the 2021 Ducati?\n7 A. It looks like a motorcycle.\n8 Q. And going back to the Owner box, second from the right\n9 here, can you please read the name and address that's in that\n10 box.\n11 A. It looks like the same name, D-E-F-E-N-G, C-A-O, at 88\n12 R-E-G-E-N-T Street in Jersey City, New Jersey.\n13 Q. Was that the same address you read for the Lamborghini?\n14 MS. SHROFF: Objection.\n15 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n16 A. No.\n17 Q. And in the Notes column to the right of the name and Jersey\n18 City address, can you read what's in the notes column for the\n19 Ducati.\n20 A. It says, \"DMV backed up 6-8 weeks, NY reg, then will need\n21 to be transferred, the last name D-E-F-E-N-G, from Scott.\"\n22 MR. HORTON: You can zoom out of that, Ms. Loftus.\n23 If you can zoom in to the bottom two line items on\n24 this document, please.\n25 Q. What's written in the top box under Year/Make?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 A. Camper Van.\n2 Q. Do you know what a camper van is?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. What is a camper van?\n5 A. It's a, like, bigger motor vehicle that you can also sleep\n6 in.\n7 Q. And what, if anything, is written in the Notes column at\n8 the end of the camper van line item?\n9 A. \"G Club International Ltd importing issue. Still in\n10 Germany. Nina working on it.\"\n11 Q. What's written on the line item below the camper van,\n12 Ms. Gale?\n13 A. Bugatti.\n14 Q. What's Bugatti?\n15 A. I'm pretty sure it's a type of car.\n16 Q. And what, if anything, is in the boxes to the right of the\n17 Bugatti line item?\n18 A. Almost all of them say TBD, and the last one is a question\n19 mark.\n20 Q. And in what column is the question mark?\n21 A. The Notes column.\n22 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could put up WA30,\n23 please.\n24 And actually, Ms. Loftus, I'll ask you to put 30-33\n25 side by side.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 Q. Did you take pictures of documents that day, Ms. Gale, that\n2 had multiple pages?\n3 A. Yes, I did.\n4 Q. And would you always take pictures of every page?\n5 A. Not necessarily.\n6 Q. Okay. Did you sometimes do that?\n7 A. Absolutely.\n8 Q. The images here at WA30-33, is this a single document?\n9 A. Yes, I believe so.\n10 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom in on WA30\n11 on the top left, please.\n12 Q. Ms. Gale, what does it say on the top left of this\n13 document?\n14 A. \"Summary 2019-2023, all donations, ROLF and ROLS.\"\n15 Q. Do you know what ROLF is?\n16 A. I don't.\n17 Q. What about ROLS?\n18 A. I don't.\n19 Q. In the top line for ROLF, can you read the figures that are\n20 reported for 2019 and 2020.\n21 A. Yes. 2019 is $4,210,315. 2020 is $8,916,019.\n22 Q. And the figures in 2019 and 2020 for ROLS below that,\n23 please.\n24 A. 2019 is $2,255,391, and 2020 is $4,028,774 [sic].\n25 Q. The line item says Total Both Entities below that. Can you\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 read the value at the very end of that total line, please.\n2 A. Yes. For——oh, I'm sorry. Under the YTD column or for\n3 2019?\n4 Q. The line item that says Total Both Entities, sort of the\n5 bottom third of the page, if you could read the value that's at\n6 the end of that line on the far right.\n7 A. Okay. 36,840——I'm sorry. $36,841,050.29.\n8 Q. Ms. Gale, is that figure more or less than $100 million?\n9 A. Less.\n10 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can you put up WA34 and 35\n11 together, please.\n12 Q. WA34, on the left side of the screen, Ms. Gale, what's the\n13 title? What's written at the top of this document?\n14 A. G Club Operations LLC Profit and Loss January - December\n15 2022.\n16 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, could you zoom in on the line\n17 that says Income and the line under that, the five or so lines\n18 under Income.\n19 Q. Ms. Gale, what is the value reported next to Total\n20 Membership Income on this document?\n21 A. $4,862,954.82.\n22 Q. And what's the bottom value under this income chart?\n23 A. $90,462,483.16.\n24 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom out and\n25 then zoom in on line item that says Total 64002 Events. It's\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 about five up from the bottom of this page.\n2 Q. Ms. Gale, what's the value on the line that says Total\n3 54000 Legal and Professional Services?\n4 A. $2,752,228.62.\n5 Q. And what's the value on the line that says Total 64002\n6 Events?\n7 A. $2,550,815.84.\n8 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could go back to the\n9 top of that first page on WA34.\n10 Q. Ms. Gale, what is the date range on this document?\n11 A. January to December of 2022.\n12 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, if you could go now to 35\n13 on the right side of the screen.\n14 And blow up the text on this.\n15 Q. Ms. Gale, what is the line item? What's the figure\n16 reported on the bottom line item for net income for G|CLUBS?\n17 A. $78,361,488.61.\n18 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could put up WA39,\n19 please.\n20 Q. Ms. Gale, what is the word that appears on the top left\n21 column on this document?\n22 A. Invoice Number.\n23 Q. And could you read the words that are on the right of that\n24 line from left to right, after Month.\n25 A. Month. G|CLUBS. G Fashion. G Music. HCHK Tech. FMV.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 G News. Gettr. GEDU. Service Fees. And Total.\n2 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up W85,\n3 please. 85. And if you could just zoom in on the text,\n4 please.\n5 Q. Ms. Gale, what is shown, generally, on this document?\n6 A. It looks like login information.\n7 Q. And can you read the line items under Login Info from Chase\n8 Genever to the bottom.\n9 A. Yes. (Genever) is the first one. Chase (S-A-R-A-C-A) is\n10 the second one. Chase GVT——GTV, I'm sorry——HSBC (Leading).\n11 Investors (Leading). BOA ROLF. The next line is PayPal ROLF.\n12 Next line is Stripe ROLF. And then BOA ROLS. And PayPal ROLS.\n13 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, on the line under Investors\n14 (Leading), the first word is Fist. Could you zoom in on the\n15 end of that line, it says \"oldest niece.\"\n16 Q. Ms. Gale, what is written next to \"oldest niece\"?\n17 A. It says - Gladys, G-L-A-D-Y-S.\n18 Q. Do you know who Gladys is?\n19 A. No.\n20 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could put up 89 and 90\n21 side by side.\n22 And if you could zoom in on the top half of 89 on the\n23 left, please, Ms. Loftus.\n24 Q. Under the name of the bank at the top, Ms. Gale, what's the\n25 title of this document?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 A. Corporate Banking Questionnaire for New Accounts.\n2 Q. And what does it say next to Company Name a few lines below\n3 that?\n4 A. Holy City HK Ventures.\n5 Q. Do you know what that is?\n6 A. No.\n7 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, looking at 90 on the right\n8 now, if you could highlight the two names that are under\n9 Director 1 and Director 2 and zoom in, please.\n10 Q. And Ms. Gale, what name is under Director 1 for Holy City\n11 HK Ventures on this document?\n12 A. Aaron A. Mitchell.\n13 Q. Do you know who Aaron Mitchell is?\n14 A. I don't know.\n15 Q. What's the name written under Director 2 for Holy City HK\n16 Ventures on this document?\n17 A. Victor X. Cerda.\n18 Q. Do you know who Victor Cerda is?\n19 A. I don't.\n20 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could put up 91 and 92\n21 side by side, please.\n22 Q. Looking at the document on left, Ms. Gale, 91, what is\n23 written in the large font at the top?\n24 A. Holy City Hong Kong Ventures Ltd.\n25 Q. And it says under that, \"The undersigned, being the sole\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 member of the directors of Holy City Hong Kong Ventures Ltd.\"\n2 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could go down to the\n3 middle of the page, please, to Directors.\n4 Q. And Ms. Gale, what does it say under 3, Directors?\n5 A. \"Note the appointment of Yanping Wang as first director of\n6 the company by the first registered agent of the company with\n7 effect from 13th day of May, 2021.\"\n8 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, if you could just zoom in\n9 on the last line on this page on 91.\n10 Q. What's written on the bottom of this Holy City Hong Kong\n11 Ventures Ltd. document?\n12 A. New Federal State Corporation.\n13 Q. Do you know what the New Federal State Corporation is?\n14 A. No.\n15 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could please replace\n16 these with WA96.\n17 And if you could——yes, thank you.\n18 Q. What's the subject line——well, first of all, Ms. Gale, what\n19 kind of document is this?\n20 A. It looks like a printed email.\n21 Q. And what does the subject line say?\n22 A. Himalaya Exchange-Username Changed.\n23 Q. And could you read the first name and the first letter of\n24 the last name on the To line.\n25 A. Alex H.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 Q. Can you read the first three lines of the body of the email\n2 below.\n3 And before you do that, what's between the To, From\n4 and the body of the email?\n5 A. There's a, like, what I assume is a company logo.\n6 Q. And what does it say next to——\n7 MS. SHROFF: Objection to what she assumes.\n8 THE COURT: Sustained.\n9 Q. What, if anything, do you see in the middle of this page?\n10 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom in\n11 around it, please.\n12 A. There's a——it says Himalaya Exchange with a little insignia\n13 next to it.\n14 Q. Do you know what Himalaya Exchange is?\n15 A. I don't.\n16 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could blow up the\n17 first three lines of the email, including the greeting.\n18 Q. Could you read the greeting and the first sentence, please,\n19 Ms. Gale.\n20 A. \"Hi Freedom Media Ventures Limited\" comma.\n21 Q. Could you read the first line of the email under that,\n22 please.\n23 A. Yup. \"Your user name & contact email has been changed from\n24 alexh@hchktech.com to fmvlimited@proton.me by an\n25 administrator.\"\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up 110,\n2 please. 110.\n3 And if you can zoom in on the top right of this\n4 document, Ms. Loftus.\n5 Q. What does it say on the top right of this document,\n6 Ms. Gale?\n7 A. ACA.\n8 Q. Do you know what ACA is?\n9 A. No.\n10 MR. HORTON: If you could go back to the full\n11 document, please, Ms. Loftus.\n12 If you could zoom in on under \"To Whom it May\n13 Concern,\" towards the bottom.\n14 Q. Could you read the line that starts, \"This is to certify.\"\n15 A. \"This is to certify the employment details of WANG YAN\n16 PING, holder of VANUATU passport No. RV058876, are as follows:\"\n17 Q. And under that it says, \"Yours faithfully, ACA Capital\n18 Group Limited.\" What appears under \"ACA Capital Group\n19 Limited\"?\n20 A. A signature.\n21 Q. And what appears under the signature?\n22 A. The name William Je, Chief Executive.\n23 MR. HORTON: If you could please pull up WA69 and 72\n24 side by side, Ms. Loftus, as well as 114, those three.\n25 Q. What's shown in the item in WA69?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Direct\n1 A. The——that's the one on the left?\n2 Q. Yes. That's the item on the left.\n3 A. Yeah. It's the little green zip pouch from the safe that\n4 we saw earlier.\n5 Q. What was inside this green zip pouch in the safe?\n6 A. Travel documents.\n7 Q. Are those two of them on the right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. The top one, WA72, what is that?\n10 A. A passport.\n11 Q. And whose name is on the passport?\n12 A. Given name is Y-A-N-P-I-N-G, surname is Wang, W-A-N-G.\n13 Q. And looking now at the passport below that, 114.\n14 A. The given name is H-O space W-A-N, surname K-W-O-K.\n15 Q. And was this passport found in the apartment where you were\n16 on March 15, 2023?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 MR. HORTON: If you could take these down, Ms. Loftus,\n19 and put up 76-79.\n20 Q. So as these go up, Ms. Gale, could you tell us what we're\n21 looking at.\n22 A. Yes. The 76 is a picture of Hermès boxes and receipts.\n23 The next one is Hermès scarves and I believe a couple of\n24 wallets; not sure what brand. The other photos are the same.\n25 Q. And what's Hermès?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Cross\n1 A. A very expensive brand, I think.\n2 MR. HORTON: Zooming in on the image on the bottom\n3 right, Ms. Loftus.\n4 Q. At the top of that, what are all of those, Ms. Gale?\n5 A. More boxes of Hermès.\n6 Q. And were all of these in the apartment that morning?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 MR. HORTON: If I could just have a moment, your\n9 Honor.\n10 THE COURT: Go ahead.\n11 MR. HORTON: Thank you, your Honor.\n12 You can take this down, Ms. Loftus, please.\n13 Q. Ms. Gale, approximately how many photographs did you take\n14 on March 15, 2023, in this apartment?\n15 A. I don't remember.\n16 Q. Have we looked at all the photos that you took?\n17 A. No.\n18 Q. And the photos that were admitted into evidence before and\n19 the photos that I showed you today, did you have any role in\n20 selecting those?\n21 A. No.\n22 Q. And about how many times did you meet with the government,\n23 if at all, before you testified today?\n24 A. A few.\n25 Q. And aside from your testimony today and the photographs you\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Cross\n1 took on March 15, 2023, did you have any other involvement in\n2 this case?\n3 A. I did not.\n4 MR. HORTON: No further questions, your Honor.\n5 THE COURT: Cross-examination.\n6 MS. SHROFF: Thank you, your Honor.\n7 CROSS EXAMINATION\n8 BY MS. SHROFF:\n9 Q. Good morning, Ms. Gale.\n10 A. Good morning.\n11 Q. Ms. Gale, you testified on direct that you've worked for\n12 the FBI for five years; is that right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 THE COURT: Ms. Shroff, if you would speak into the\n15 mic, please.\n16 MS. SHROFF: Sure.\n17 Q. And before working for the FBI, who did you work for?\n18 A. I was an intern with the FBI while I was in college.\n19 Q. So is it fair to say, ma'am, that you've only worked for\n20 the FBI?\n21 A. I had other internships and part-time jobs.\n22 Q. I'm talking about like a full-time job, employment.\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. You've only worked for the FBI, correct?\n25 A. Correct.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - Cross\n1 Q. And you just testified, when asked how many times you met\n2 with the government, you testified a few. Correct?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. So as an FBI agent, is it fair to say that you would want\n5 to keep notes of information that would be the subject of your\n6 testimony?\n7 A. No.\n8 Q. You would not want to have notes so that you can be\n9 accurate and full in your testimony?\n10 MR. HORTON: Objection. Asked and answered.\n11 THE COURT: Sustained. So if you'll just ask the\n12 question once, Ms. Shroff, and don't repeat it.\n13 (Continued on next page)\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 BY MS. SHROFF:\n2 Q. Ms. Gale, did you keep a list of the times that you met\n3 with Mr. Horton?\n4 A. I did not.\n5 Q. Did you keep a list of the length of each meeting with\n6 Mr. Horton?\n7 A. I did not.\n8 Q. Did you keep a list of what you did with Mr. Horton during\n9 the meetings?\n10 A. I did not.\n11 Q. So let me start, if I may, by showing you what is marked as\n12 Defense Exhibit 7005, and I'm just going to ask you to look at\n13 it, please. Thank you.\n14 Do you recognize this photograph?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. And what is it, please?\n17 A. It's a photo of notebooks with handwritten notes on them.\n18 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I move to enter DX7005 into\n19 evidence, please.\n20 MR. HORTON: Your Honor, may we briefly approach?\n21 (Continued on next page)\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 (At the sidebar)\n2 MR. HORTON: Thank you, your Honor. What we're\n3 anticipating is a comparison of the document that's Defense\n4 Exhibit 7005 to a cropped version that we showed. I don't\n5 remember the exact exhibit number. We showed a cropped version\n6 on this document. There's background on this that's relevant\n7 which is that, we had a productive back and fourth with defense\n8 counsel about the fact that some of the documents which photos\n9 were taken with respect to the apartment had some Mandarin on\n10 them. So we had a back and forth with them about, we could\n11 redact them. We could otherwise make it so that we don't have\n12 an issue a foreign language coming into evidence. We had a\n13 back and fourth about how to do that. We could produce\n14 versions of those documents that were altered on agreement to\n15 take the Mandarin out, so that's why we showed the document\n16 that was cropped that way.\n17 THE COURT: When you say cropped, you mean portions\n18 deleted?\n19 MR. HORTON: Yes. So the three notebook image that's\n20 on right now as a defense exhibit, we showed the same image,\n21 took out the notebooks that had Mandarin in them. So we showed\n22 only a notebook that had English only.\n23 THE COURT: By cropped you mean literally you cropped\n24 the photograph?\n25 MR. HORTON: That's right. To exclude the Mandarin to\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 avoid the issue, and we understood that was at the request of\n2 defense counsel or under agreement with defense counsel.\n3 MS. SHROFF: Defense counsel asked and very clearly\n4 noted the word \"redacted\" not cropped, redacted. The word was\n5 redacted. What they did is --\n6 THE COURT: So can you give me the whole sentence with\n7 the word \"redacted?\"\n8 MS. SHROFF: Sure. They sent us the document I believe\n9 yesterday at some point. I can't remember the time. And it\n10 had Chinese language on it. I have the document. You see\n11 Chinese language here, here, here, up here. They sent us a\n12 copy with the translation. We sent it out to have it\n13 translated along with other documents to get translated. We\n14 haven't had a full response back from the interpreter. We\n15 emailed back to the government and said, they gave us an\n16 option. Either we use their translation or we use the redacted\n17 version. We said no we cannot agree to a translation without\n18 having our translator signing off, so we would agree to a\n19 redacted version, not a cropped version, redacted.\n20 So you take a piece of paper, redact the Chinese\n21 Mandarin language and you present the evidence. Apparently at\n22 1:00 last time, they sent us a new version which they\n23 introduced as evidence. I have not seen the new version. And\n24 I can show you my email. I only got that version from an\n25 associate today while I was in the direct. I emailed the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 associate back, said please redact the Chinese language and\n2 send me the document. What they did in cropping it out is they\n3 cropped out CCP. Now CCP I got to say anybody here would know\n4 would be relevant, that she wrote it down. And there is no --\n5 I have to say that I would be shocked if somebody said the\n6 defense wouldn't want the CCP. The tradition of redacted\n7 means, you redact. You don't crop. So I am entitled to put\n8 this in. I never agreed to a cropped version. I never agreed\n9 to something excised out. Redacted means redacted. And we've\n10 all been lawyers for a long time. I don't think there's any\n11 agreement if they ask me for a cropped version, I would not\n12 have agreed. Cropped is very different. And you know what\n13 lawyers do for a living, we use our words, and we use them\n14 precisely. So I think this is fair cross, your Honor.\n15 MR. FINKEL: Ms. Shroff did not suggest nor did any\n16 member of the defense team suggest, including the associate who\n17 is an attorney who was sent the email last night to meet their\n18 request about not having foreign language in the evidence, to\n19 change it, we would have done so.\n20 THE COURT: I'm not understanding what you're saying.\n21 Including the attorney on the email, is that what you're\n22 saying?\n23 MR. FINKEL: Yes, your Honor. If I may, we had a good\n24 faith negotiation and discussion about these images back and\n25 forth.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 MS. SHROFF: No.\n2 MR. FINKEL: Yes, Ms. Shroff.\n3 THE COURT: Please, I need for him to speak, not the\n4 two of you.\n5 MR. FINKEL: We said to the defense, if you want the\n6 Mandarin language in, we'll put it in. If you don't want the\n7 Mandarin language in, we'll redact it, and we won't put it in.\n8 It's up to you, or we can do translations. They said they\n9 didn't want the Mandarin language in. So we modified, crop\n10 this document, redacted on it so the Mandarin language wasn't\n11 come in. We did that at their request. Now they're going to\n12 take what we did to meet their request and suggest to the jury\n13 that we hid information from them. That is entirely\n14 inappropriate.\n15 THE COURT: Let's go backwards. You concede that they\n16 ask for a redacted document?\n17 MS. SHROFF: Here's the email --\n18 THE COURT: Wait a minute, Ms. Shroff. Do not speak\n19 over me.\n20 MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, yes. We use the word\n21 \"redacted.\" That's exactly correct. However, and I think this\n22 is important, we had a good faith negotiation with the defense\n23 about this issue. And to meet what they requested, we removed\n24 the Mandarin. It was easier for this image to do a crop than a\n25 redaction.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 THE COURT: That is very, very different. This is a\n2 problem. They're entitled to know, the jury is entitled to\n3 know that there are words missing.\n4 MR. FINKEL: But, your Honor, we did that at their\n5 request now.\n6 THE COURT: Wait a minute. They requested a\n7 redaction, not a cropping out. It's a very different result.\n8 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may I just add one thing?\n9 THE COURT: No, not yet. Mr. Finkel, do you have\n10 anything to add?\n11 MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, candidly, I'm disappointed in\n12 this because we had a discussion with them. And had they said,\n13 can you use the redacted version instead, we would have done\n14 that. We weren't trying any gamesmanship here. We weren't\n15 trying to cut out CCP or anything like that. We tried to meet\n16 their request. I understand your Honor's point.\n17 THE COURT: Are there any other documents that were\n18 cropped?\n19 MR. HORTON: I don't believe so, no.\n20 THE COURT: Everything else was redacted?\n21 MR. HORTON: Correct.\n22 THE COURT: You're going to have to live with this\n23 cross-examination.\n24 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, also CCP is in English.\n25 MR. FINKEL: Your Honor, certainly they're not going\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 to be able to argue -- because the reason we cropped it was to\n2 meet their request. They shouldn't be able to argue that we\n3 did this to hide anything from the jury, cause that's not why\n4 we did it. That would be unfair and improper.\n5 THE COURT: That would be completely unfair. You can\n6 say that they left out a portion of the document, but to imply\n7 that there was bad faith is improper.\n8 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may I just be heard on that?\n9 THE COURT: Yes.\n10 MS. SHROFF: Again, here's an email --\n11 MR. FINKEL: You left it out.\n12 MS. SHROFF: Please let me finish.\n13 THE COURT: Please let her talk.\n14 MS. SHROFF: CCP is in English. The alphabet is\n15 English. It is not Mandarin. They can crop out the -- we\n16 agreed even if you want -- here's the email. \"Just in light of\n17 the timing of this witness, we will ask that you simply redact\n18 the Mandarin visible in the GXW exhibits you plan to introduce\n19 tomorrow, which we understand to be GW, and then we recite them\n20 out.\" CCP is in English.\n21 THE COURT: Ms. Shroff, I do not need for you to speak\n22 over me. This is rude.\n23 MS. SHROFF: I'm not speaking over you.\n24 THE COURT: Yes, you were speaking over me.\n25 MS. SHROFF: I don't mean to, your Honor. I do think\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 CCP is in English.\n2 THE COURT: So now be quiet. This is a problem. She\n3 can cross on this, but you cannot imply that they were looking\n4 to hide something, because that would be the impression of bad\n5 faith. This is an error on their part to have done it this\n6 way. It is an error on their part.\n7 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, CCP is in English. It's not\n8 an error.\n9 THE COURT: What I am saying is that you may cross,\n10 you may say, a portion of the document was not shown. And you\n11 may bring up the fact that it has this English language and the\n12 Mandarin character. That is fine. But to go further and argue\n13 that in summation that this was purposely in bad faith, no, you\n14 will not be able to do that. We're done. We're done.\n15 (Continued on next page)\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 (In open court)\n2 THE COURT: Overruled. Rather, the objection is\n3 sustained. Sorry. Go ahead.\n4 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I move to admit DX7005 into\n5 evidence.\n6 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n7 THE COURT: I am sorry. Let me clarify. Based upon\n8 the sidebar, the prosecution's objection to the admission of\n9 this document is overruled. Go ahead.\n10 (Defendant's Exhibit 7005 received in evidence)\n11 MS. SHROFF: May I publish it to the jury now?\n12 THE COURT: You may. Go ahead. You may.\n13 BY MS. SHROFF:\n14 Q. Ms. Gale, do you recognize this photograph?\n15 A. I recognize the photo, not the black parts covering it.\n16 Q. You don't recognize the black covering?\n17 A. Correct.\n18 Q. The redaction?\n19 A. Correct.\n20 Q. That's fine. And if I could show you what is marked as\n21 Government Exhibit I believe it was 68.\n22 MR. HORTON: Your Honor, we're going to object to this\n23 as contrary to our understanding of the ruling at sidebar, the\n24 purpose of showing.\n25 THE COURT: I'm sorry. I did not hear what you said,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Ms. Shroff.\n2 MS. SHROFF: I'll move on, your Honor.\n3 THE COURT: Go ahead.\n4 Q. So let me start with the legal pad that says Max, correct?\n5 A. Yes, it looks like the one on the bottom.\n6 Q. And did you arrange these three legal pads this way?\n7 A. I don't remember.\n8 Q. You were taking photographs to present as evidence to a\n9 jury at a trial, correct?\n10 A. I was taking photographs of whatever the agents gave me\n11 that day on the search.\n12 Q. For what purpose?\n13 A. To have them documented.\n14 Q. For what purpose?\n15 MR. HORTON: Objection, asked and answered.\n16 THE COURT: Sustained.\n17 Q. The FBI gathers evidence, correct?\n18 A. Correct.\n19 Q. And the FBI gathers evidence because it's going to be used\n20 against another person in court one day, correct?\n21 A. Potentially.\n22 Q. And you want the evidence to be accurate, correct?\n23 A. What do you mean by accurate?\n24 Q. I mean accurate. You want your logs to be accurate,\n25 correct?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. The photo log?\n2 Q. Yes.\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And you want your photos to be accurate, correct?\n5 A. The photos are just of whatever is there.\n6 Q. And complete, correct?\n7 A. I'm not sure what you mean by complete.\n8 Q. Well, is the photograph of the first legal pad that starts\n9 with the word \"Max\" complete? Can you see the whole page?\n10 A. No, you can't see the whole page.\n11 Q. Can you see the whole page of the second legal pad? I\n12 don't know. It's not legal, but whatever, office size pad?\n13 A. You cannot.\n14 Q. And how about the third one?\n15 A. Yes, the third one you can.\n16 Q. And is it fair to say, Ms. Gale, that the time that you\n17 were taking the photographs there was an FBI agent in the\n18 apartment?\n19 A. Correct.\n20 Q. And there was FBI agents in the apartment who carried out\n21 the search, correct?\n22 A. Yes, there were multiple.\n23 Q. And there were multiple agents who put these things out for\n24 you to photograph; is that fair?\n25 A. Yes, they probably said you can take a picture of these.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Q. And you could interact with them because you're all part of\n2 the same team, correct?\n3 A. Correct.\n4 Q. There were no defense lawyers present, correct?\n5 A. There were not.\n6 Q. It was possible to say, let's just take a photograph of\n7 each legal pad separately, correct?\n8 THE COURT: Don't ask her what was possible. I don't\n9 want you asking questions that call for speculation.\n10 Q. So you didn't take a photograph of the legal pad in such a\n11 way that we could see the entirety of page one of the document\n12 that starts with Max, correct?\n13 A. I don't remember if I took a separate photo of it other\n14 than this.\n15 Q. How about the second one that says, Thank you, do you\n16 recall if you took photos of that?\n17 A. I don't remember if I took a separate photo.\n18 Q. And let's look at the third document, third legal pad,\n19 correct, you see that?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. And you see there's a lot of handwriting on there, right?\n22 A. Correct.\n23 Q. And in the corner box you see that little box over there,\n24 if I could have it made larger for you, and also the jury maybe\n25 that will help you.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. On the right side of the page?\n2 Q. Yes, ma'am.\n3 A. Yes, I see that.\n4 Q. What does it say over there, could you read that for me?\n5 A. Civil, civil rights.\n6 Q. How about below that?\n7 A. It says SEC, but the rest is redacted.\n8 Q. And how about below that?\n9 A. In the box?\n10 Q. Yes.\n11 A. It either says CCP or COP and then it's redacted.\n12 Q. So it says -- what is right next to the word CCP, what's\n13 next to that?\n14 A. A redaction and then --\n15 Q. And then a tick mark, correct?\n16 A. I think it says IA, and then the pound sign and could be a\n17 check mark.\n18 Q. Let's go back to the top part of the page.\n19 You see the date up there 10/17 Saturday, right?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. And you don't know what year, correct?\n22 A. I don't know if that's a month and a day or a month and a\n23 year, 10/17 could be either.\n24 Q. It could be October 2017 or it could be October 17, that's\n25 your testimony?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. Correct.\n2 Q. And also the same for the other one, right, October 19,\n3 right?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Could be 2019, right?\n6 A. Yeah.\n7 Q. More logically it would be October 17, which is a Saturday?\n8 MR. HORTON: Objection to the commentary.\n9 MS. SHROFF: It's a question.\n10 THE COURT: Sustained.\n11 Q. Okay. October 17 is a Saturday, so what would October 18\n12 be?\n13 A. Sunday.\n14 Q. And what would October 19 be?\n15 A. Monday.\n16 Q. So let's move down. Just please stay on that same page,\n17 the third one, third legal pad or pad, whatever it's called.\n18 And if you could read for me, you see where it says G/Club EIN?\n19 A. I do.\n20 Q. Do you know what that means?\n21 A. I do not.\n22 Q. And how about G Fashion, and then there's a phone number,\n23 correct? Am I reading that correctly? Is it a phone number?\n24 A. It looks like a phone number, yes.\n25 Q. Do you know what that means?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. I don't.\n2 Q. And then it says G/Club, and it looks like, I don't know\n3 what that word is, Square, Paypal and wire, right?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Now could I zoom out of that full page where it says CCP on\n6 the corner.\n7 Did you by any chance flip that page and take a photo\n8 of the next one?\n9 A. I don't remember.\n10 Q. Now, when you reviewed this photograph with Mr. Horton, was\n11 it one amongst many that you reviewed with him?\n12 A. I don't remember if I reviewed this one with him. Are you\n13 talking about on direct?\n14 Q. No, no. I mean on the times you met with him in your\n15 office or his office. I don't know where?\n16 A. I don't know if we reviewed this one.\n17 Q. Let's look at the one that had -- let's look at number 68,\n18 okay. You see this one? Do you remember if you reviewed this\n19 one with him in his office?\n20 A. I don't remember.\n21 Q. And he asked you on direct, right --\n22 A. Yes, we did review this on direct.\n23 Q. So look at the right-hand column for me if you don't mind.\n24 A. Yes, the total HCN column.\n25 Q. And you testified on direct that these are dollar amounts,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 correct?\n2 A. I did.\n3 Q. You have no knowledge that they are in fact dollar amounts,\n4 correct?\n5 A. At the top it says USD which typically stands for U.S.\n6 dollar.\n7 Q. But look at the column on the right under which these\n8 numbers appear, does it say over there USDO?\n9 A. No.\n10 Q. What does it say?\n11 A. Total HCN.\n12 Q. And what does HCN mean to you?\n13 A. I don't know.\n14 Q. So are these numbers, right? They're under a column that\n15 says total HCN, right?\n16 A. Correct.\n17 Q. And this is a number of HCN, not dollars, right?\n18 A. I guess.\n19 Q. There's no need to guess. There's no dollar sign before\n20 250,000 or whatever that number is, right?\n21 A. There is no dollar sign.\n22 MR. HORTON: Objection, your Honor.\n23 THE COURT: Don't testify.\n24 Q. Is there a dollar sign before this column?\n25 MR. HORTON: Asked and answered.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 THE COURT: Sustained.\n2 Q. Is there a pound sign?\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. Is there a sterling sign?\n5 A. No.\n6 Q. Is there a Yen sign?\n7 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n8 THE COURT: Sustained.\n9 Q. So the dollar amount on this column is at 10 cents each,\n10 right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. So you can take that down. And if we could just show\n13 Ms. Gale the photos of the cash that the government showed her.\n14 You remember testifying about the cash that was found in the\n15 apartment?\n16 A. I do.\n17 Q. By any chance do you know whose apartment it was?\n18 A. I don't remember.\n19 Q. During the times that you met with Mr. Horton, did you\n20 discuss whose apartment it was?\n21 A. We did not.\n22 Q. Did you discuss how many people lived there?\n23 A. We did not.\n24 Q. Did you discuss how you came to take the photographs of the\n25 cash?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. Somebody probably found it in the search and ask me to take\n2 pictures of it.\n3 Q. When you say probably, does that mean you really don't\n4 remember?\n5 A. No, I do remember that somebody ask me to take photos of\n6 the cash when they found it in the safe.\n7 Q. When you took this photograph, did you make a note as to\n8 where you were when you took the photograph?\n9 A. In the photo log it should say what room this was in.\n10 Q. My question was did you take a note?\n11 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n12 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n13 A. I was not doing the photo log, no, so I didn't take a note\n14 personally.\n15 Q. And do you know how that pouch was in the safe when it was\n16 first opened?\n17 A. It looked like it does in the photo when we --\n18 Q. Well, were you there when they opened the safe?\n19 A. I don't remember if I was in the room, but I was in the\n20 apartment.\n21 Q. So you don't know if it looked like this cause you weren't\n22 there, correct?\n23 A. They had me photograph it before they move anything.\n24 Q. Ma'am, please, could you listen to my question.\n25 MR. HORTON: Objection, asked and answered.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 MS. SHROFF: I move to strike actually. It's\n2 non-responsive.\n3 MR. HORTON: It was responsive. We object.\n4 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n5 Q. Let me try it this way. Was the safe locked?\n6 A. I don't remember.\n7 Q. How was the safe opened?\n8 A. I don't remember.\n9 Q. Do you mean you don't remember or do you mean you don't\n10 know?\n11 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n12 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n13 A. I don't remember.\n14 Q. So you were there when it was opened, but you no longer\n15 remember how it was opened?\n16 A. I don't remember if I was in the room at the time that it\n17 was opened and found, or if I was in a different room and they\n18 called me when they found it and opened it.\n19 Q. So I just want to understand the process.\n20 If you were taking a photograph in a different room\n21 and they opened the safe, would they just simply ask you to\n22 abandon that task and run to the safe?\n23 THE COURT: So you cannot ask, Would they. It is a\n24 question of, Did they.\n25 Q. Did they?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. I don't remember if I was in the room or not. If I wasn't,\n2 they would have held the safe and not touched it until I finish\n3 whatever task I was doing and then come and take the picture\n4 the way it looked before they pulled stuff out of it.\n5 Q. Let's try this. You said they would not have touched it,\n6 correct, that's what you just said, right?\n7 A. I don't remember.\n8 Q. So it's possible they could have touched it, correct?\n9 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n10 THE COURT: So don't ask for speculation.\n11 Q. You see the photograph right next to the one on the left?\n12 A. With the pouch opened, yes.\n13 Q. So the pouch was moved, correct?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. It was opened, correct?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. And then the photo was taken of the open pouch, correct?\n18 A. Correct.\n19 Q. And sitting here today, you cannot tell the jury if any\n20 denominations were taken out, correct, before you took the\n21 photograph cause you weren't there?\n22 A. I might have been. I just don't remember.\n23 Q. How many denominations are in this particular photograph?\n24 A. I don't know.\n25 Q. Do you know what year those notes are?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. I don't.\n2 Q. Do you know if they're from 2003?\n3 A. I don't.\n4 Q. What about the red envelopes, do you see those?\n5 A. I see them.\n6 Q. Do you know what they signify in the Chinese culture?\n7 A. I do not.\n8 Q. Do you know what the design was on each one of the\n9 envelopes?\n10 A. I don't.\n11 Q. Let's look at the next photograph of the money. You see\n12 how it's all fanned out, now?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Who fanned it out?\n15 A. The agents who found it probably did.\n16 Q. If you don't know, you can just say I don't know. Probably\n17 is not a good answer.\n18 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n19 THE COURT: Don't speculate, don't guess, don't say\n20 what might have been. If you know the answer, say it. If you\n21 don't know, you could say that or you don't remember.\n22 THE WITNESS: Okay.\n23 THE COURT: Go ahead.\n24 Q. You don't know, correct?\n25 A. Correct.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Q. And there are denominations in 20s, correct?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Denominations in 50s, correct?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Denominations in 100s, correct?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And on the corner over there you can see it's a foreign\n8 currency, correct?\n9 A. Correct.\n10 Q. And there is a document on the right side which is in\n11 Mandarin, correct?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. You have no idea what it says, correct?\n14 A. Correct.\n15 Q. And obviously the money wasn't found on the bed, right?\n16 A. It came from the pouch in the safe, correct.\n17 Q. Do you know who put it on the bed?\n18 A. I don't.\n19 Q. Now, you were shown a document or two about passports. Do\n20 you remember that?\n21 A. I do.\n22 Q. And I'm assuming -- you can take this one down. Thank you.\n23 And you testified that you did not know any of the\n24 people that were depicted in the passports, correct?\n25 A. Correct.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Q. And you simply took the photos because some agent told you\n2 to; is that right?\n3 A. Right.\n4 Q. And you remember spelling out for Mr. Horton, Vanuatu,\n5 V-A-N-U-A-T-U, correct?\n6 A. I think so.\n7 Q. And do you know what that is?\n8 A. I don't.\n9 Q. Do you know if it's a country?\n10 A. I have no idea.\n11 Q. When you read it, did you then look it up?\n12 A. I didn't.\n13 Q. If I could go to 76, please. You testified about this\n14 photograph, correct?\n15 A. I did.\n16 Q. And when you testified about this photograph, you said it\n17 is Hermes, a very expensive brand I think, correct?\n18 A. I did say that.\n19 Q. Now, what are the things below each box here?\n20 A. Tags or receipts.\n21 Q. Do you know if they are in fact tags or they're receipts or\n22 are you guessing?\n23 A. I don't know for sure.\n24 Q. Do these appear to be gift boxes to you?\n25 A. I don't know for sure.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Q. Let's look at the next photograph. You see this photograph\n2 here. I can't see the number. I think it's 77. Did you\n3 unpack each box?\n4 A. I don't think all of them were unpacked.\n5 Q. Move to strike. Let me ask you again, please.\n6 THE COURT: So the answer is stricken. Go ahead and\n7 answer what she's asking. Listen to the question and respond\n8 to the specific question that's being asked.\n9 Q. Did you unpack each box?\n10 A. I remember helping unpacking some of them, yes.\n11 Q. Were they all tied with a bow on top?\n12 A. I believe some of them were.\n13 Q. So let's show you 78. I think the next photo of the\n14 scarfs. You see right there in this photograph right below the\n15 bag, do you see that?\n16 A. The bows?\n17 Q. Right.\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. Those were the bows that were used to tie the boxes, right?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. And that says Hermes on it?\n22 A. I can't see, but -- yeah, I think so.\n23 Q. So let's just look at this photograph. Let's look at the\n24 one that's brown, shall we. Is it your recollection that this\n25 is how the scarf was in the box?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. So I just want to make sure. You have a recollection that\n3 the label was up top?\n4 MR. HORTON: Objection, asked and answered.\n5 THE COURT: Sustained.\n6 Q. Was the label up top?\n7 MR. HORTON: Objection, asked and answered.\n8 THE COURT: Sustained.\n9 Q. Let's look at the orange one.\n10 What does the card say?\n11 A. I'm sorry. I can't read that.\n12 Q. Did you take a photograph of what the card itself said?\n13 A. I don't remember if I did. The bottom, the last word under\n14 before the signature says holidays.\n15 Q. Let's just scroll down. Let's look at the one -- you see\n16 the one that's gray with those pretty little flowers over\n17 there?\n18 A. In the middle?\n19 Q. Yes.\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Is it your recollection that the label was showing when you\n22 opened the box?\n23 A. I don't remember specifically, but I don't remember moving\n24 any of the scarfs within the box.\n25 Q. You didn't open each box you just testified on cross,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 correct?\n2 A. I helped with some of them, correct?\n3 Q. And you don't know which ones you helped with, correct?\n4 A. Correct, I don't remember.\n5 Q. Can you just scroll down. You see the wallets that are\n6 placed near the box?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. Did you place them there?\n9 A. I don't remember.\n10 Q. Do you know if they are in fact Hermes wallets?\n11 A. I don't know.\n12 Q. I just want the full photograph again one last time. You\n13 see on the top right corner in the left corner are both showing\n14 the same brown tape, correct?\n15 A. I'm sorry. The top corners of the photo?\n16 Q. The top corner right above the brown scarf, and on the\n17 right-hand side near that rainbow colored scarf?\n18 A. Oh, the ribbons.\n19 Q. That's a much better word. The gift ribbons are the box\n20 ribbons, did you collect each ribbon for each box?\n21 A. I don't remember.\n22 Q. Did they have you take a photo of all the ribbons on all\n23 the boxes that were found in this apartment?\n24 A. I don't remember.\n25 Q. Did you take a photograph of each card that you found in\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 the apartment or you only -- I'll stop there.\n2 Did you take a photograph of each card that you found?\n3 A. I don't remember.\n4 Q. You can take that down. Thank you. May I go to 41,\n5 please. You testified about this photograph as well, right?\n6 A. I did.\n7 Q. And they asked you, Mr. Horton did over there, what does\n8 \"MK\" stand for, right?\n9 THE COURT: One moment, please.\n10 JUROR: Are we supposed to be seeing this?\n11 THE COURT: These are up for the jurors?\n12 JUROR: We don't see anything.\n13 THE COURT: So we'll put that up.\n14 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may I just go back if the\n15 jury didn't see it. I'm not going to relive the testimony, but\n16 may I publish each of the photographs to them?\n17 THE COURT: Yes.\n18 MS. SHROFF: If I could just go back. Can the jurors\n19 see?\n20 JUROR: Yes.\n21 MS. SHROFF: If I may, your Honor. May I just point\n22 out that's the card --\n23 THE COURT: Let's just identify the exhibit if you\n24 would.\n25 MS. SHROFF: Thank you. This is exhibit 78 that\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 depicts the scarfs, the labels and the ribbons and the wallets.\n2 If I could just have the jurors see 77. These depict the\n3 scarfs and the wallets that are on top. And this is 76 that\n4 the testimony that it was unclear to the witness --\n5 MR. HORTON: Objection to Ms. Shroff testifying.\n6 THE COURT: Ms. Shroff, if you'll speak up.\n7 MS. SHROFF: I don't want to repeat testimony, this\n8 was covered --\n9 MR. HORTON: Objection, she's summarizing the\n10 testimony. That's improper.\n11 THE COURT: Do you have a question, Ms. Shroff?\n12 BY MS. SHROFF:\n13 Q. Are you a special agent? Should I call you a special\n14 agent?\n15 A. No, the title is SOS.\n16 Q. So this is the bottom of the boxes reflect either a tag or\n17 a receipt and you don't know which one of the two, correct?\n18 A. Yes, that's what I said before.\n19 Q. I'll just continue, your Honor. Thank you for allowing me\n20 this opportunity. If I could just go to, I believe I was at\n21 the kitchen with the USBs. There we go. Thank you.\n22 When you took this photograph, did you have any\n23 knowledge of how old these USBs were?\n24 A. No, I did not.\n25 Q. And you see the label over there on the right, copy\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Jessica's files, correct?\n2 A. I do see that.\n3 Q. Do you know who Jessica is?\n4 A. I do not.\n5 Q. And on the very right corner there is another USB with red\n6 handwriting on it, correct? Do you see that in the corner?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. Do you know what that says?\n9 A. I do not.\n10 Q. And if you could just look at the left-hand side of the\n11 photograph. Those are food items, correct, or you tell me what\n12 it is?\n13 What is that, do you know?\n14 A. I don't know.\n15 Q. And if you could just zoom back out. If I could just look\n16 at the photograph right after. You see how all of these USBs\n17 are placed in a line?\n18 A. I do see that.\n19 Q. What is the one on the right-hand corner, the right most\n20 with the green writing?\n21 A. The biggest part of it says NYC.\n22 Q. Do you know what was on there?\n23 A. I don't.\n24 Q. And, obviously, you had no role to play in downloading\n25 these USBs or anything like that, correct?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 A. Correct, I did not.\n2 Q. Now, if I could look at number 26. You testified about\n3 this document, correct?\n4 A. I did.\n5 Q. Is it fair to say that you reviewed this document with\n6 Mr. Horton in his office?\n7 A. I have seen it before.\n8 Q. How many times?\n9 A. Once.\n10 Q. And did you go through what he would have you read in court\n11 today?\n12 A. No.\n13 Q. So he would just in court highlight something, and you\n14 would read it out loud for the jury?\n15 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n16 THE COURT: Sustained.\n17 Q. You remember your direct examination?\n18 A. I do.\n19 Q. So if you could just highlight any one line, just pick one.\n20 So your role was to read out loud the row that he highlighted,\n21 right?\n22 A. That's what I did earlier, yes.\n23 Q. And you have no understanding of any of the data on these\n24 documents, correct?\n25 A. I do not.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Q. We can take that down. Now, if I could just have document\n2 number 30. You see that number on the corner up top?\n3 A. The handwritten number?\n4 Q. Yes, please.\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. What does that stand for?\n7 A. It says 2/10.\n8 Q. What is your understanding of 2/10?\n9 A. I don't know.\n10 Q. You have no idea what it means?\n11 A. There's multiple options of what it could be.\n12 Q. Okay. That's fair enough. Thank you. You can take that\n13 down.\n14 You were shown documents number 91 and 92, correct,\n15 and if I could have those pulled up.\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. Is it fair to say that you don't know what this document\n18 means, right?\n19 A. Correct.\n20 Q. Somebody told you to take a photograph. You took a\n21 photograph?\n22 A. Correct.\n23 Q. And then you came here and read it out loud?\n24 A. Correct.\n25 Q. Okay. You can take that down. Thank you.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 Now, Mr. Horton asked you during his direct testimony\n2 that there were photos that you took that were not introduced\n3 into evidence, correct?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. You didn't choose which photos to show at trial, correct?\n6 A. I did not.\n7 Q. And you did not exclude any yourself, correct?\n8 A. Correct.\n9 Q. And you stated that you took these photographs on March 15,\n10 2023, correct?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. You have no idea what happened on March 15, 2023, correct?\n13 A. Other than what I was doing that day?\n14 Q. Yes.\n15 A. I don't.\n16 MS. SHROFF: Could I just have one moment, your Honor?\n17 THE COURT: Yes.\n18 Q. Ms. Gale, you recall seeing some photographs of wallets\n19 that were shown to you?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Did you open the wallets at all?\n22 A. I don't remember.\n23 Q. Do you know what was in the wallets?\n24 A. I don't remember.\n25 Q. When was the last time you met with Mr. Horton prior to\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 your testimony today?\n2 A. Last week.\n3 Q. How about this morning?\n4 A. We didn't meet this morning.\n5 Q. How about yesterday?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Did you speak to him yesterday?\n8 A. I did see him, yes.\n9 Q. I didn't hear that.\n10 A. I did see him, but we didn't have a meeting.\n11 Q. You saw him?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. But you didn't speak?\n14 A. Correct, we didn't have a meeting. I was waiting to see if\n15 I would get called up here.\n16 Q. And before that, when was the last time you prepared for\n17 your testimony with Mr. Horton?\n18 A. I believe it was last week.\n19 Q. And did you prepare with anybody other than Mr. Horton?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Who else?\n22 A. There was another attorney that came in to ask a couple of\n23 questions.\n24 Q. Do you see the attorney in court today?\n25 A. She's not at the table.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Redirect\n1 Q. So it was an attorney that is not at this table now? I\n2 just want to make sure I understood.\n3 A. Correct.\n4 Q. And was there an FBI agent present?\n5 A. Yes, there was.\n6 Q. Which FBI agent?\n7 A. I don't see him sitting in court right now.\n8 Q. Do you know his name?\n9 A. Nick. I don't remember his last name.\n10 Q. For how long did you meet?\n11 A. It depends. I think it was around half an hour.\n12 Q. And is it fair to say that you did not review any of the\n13 photographs with anyone at the defense table, right?\n14 A. Correct.\n15 MS. SHROFF: I have nothing further, your Honor.\n16 THE COURT: Redirect.\n17 REDIRECT EXAMINATION\n18 BY MR. HORTON:\n19 Q. Ms. Gale, about how many people were involved in the search\n20 of the apartment that morning?\n21 A. I don't remember the exact number.\n22 Q. About how many was it?\n23 A. More than five, less than 20.\n24 Q. Did those different people have different roles during the\n25 search?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Redirect\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Ms. Loftus, can you pull up GX Stip 4, please.\n3 GX Stip 4, which is in evidence says that on March 15,\n4 2023, special agents and other FBI employees executed a lawful\n5 search of 188 East 64th Street in apartment 1601, New York, New\n6 York. And it says that during the course of that search, FBI\n7 personnel took photographs of interior spaces of 188 64th\n8 Street, Apartment 1601, New York, New York, and also lawfully\n9 seized items, documents and electronic devices. GXWA-1 through\n10 -- and it should say WA135 --\n11 MS. SHROFF: Objection, your Honor, may we have a\n12 sidebar because this is clearly beyond the scope.\n13 THE COURT: Overruled. You may continue.\n14 MR. HORTON: The stipulation the parties agreed to\n15 continues, GXWA-1 through GX -- and it should say, WA-135 are\n16 fair and accurate photographs of interior spaces of 188 64th\n17 Street, apartment 1601, that were lawfully captured by an FBI\n18 photographer on March 15, 2023 when conducting a search.\n19 Q. Is that FBI photographer you, Ms. Gale?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Ms. Loftus, can you put up WA-30 through 33, and zoom in on\n22 WA-30, please.\n23 Ms. Gale looking at WA-30 on the top left. It says\n24 summary 2019 to 2023, all donations ROLF and ROLS. Is that a\n25 pull page document right there?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Recross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And WA30 through 33, are those four pages stapled together\n3 in a single document?\n4 A. They are.\n5 Q. Ms. Gale, the red Lamborghini you testified about on the\n6 document before, do you know where the FBI found that\n7 Lamborghini?\n8 A. I don't.\n9 MS. SHROFF: Objection.\n10 THE COURT: Overruled.\n11 MR. HORTON: No further questions.\n12 THE COURT: Recross.\n13 RECROSS EXAMINATION\n14 BY MS. SHROFF:\n15 Q. Let's put that stipulation back up, please. Had you read\n16 this before today?\n17 A. The search warrant?\n18 Q. That's not a search warrant, ma'am. I'm asking you about\n19 the document that is before you as GX Stip-4?\n20 A. No, I hadn't.\n21 Q. You hadn't read it, correct?\n22 A. Correct.\n23 Q. So when Mr. Horton highlighted and read it out loud to you,\n24 he was just reading you a document, right?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Recross\n1 Q. You have no understanding on your own of what this document\n2 is about, correct?\n3 A. I've never seen it before.\n4 Q. In fact, you just called it a search warrant, correct?\n5 A. Yeah.\n6 Q. Let's look at the last page. Do you see that?\n7 A. I see it.\n8 Q. Do you know who Sidhardha Kamaraju is?\n9 A. No.\n10 Q. You can take it down. Let's go through 30 to 33.\n11 Mr. Horton asked you questions about this document,\n12 correct?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. This document was laid out for you this way, correct?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. On the left-hand side, right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Sitting here today, do you recall who move page one over,\n19 who flipped it over?\n20 A. I do not.\n21 Q. How about page two, do you recall if anybody flipped it\n22 over?\n23 A. I don't remember.\n24 Q. Do you know if there's anything at the very end of the\n25 document at the back side that is written on there?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Recross\n1 A. I don't know.\n2 Q. Do you know if there are any handwritten notes at the very\n3 end of that document?\n4 A. I don't know.\n5 Q. You don't know anything about any of this other than what\n6 he showed you, correct?\n7 MR. HORTON: Objection, asked and answered.\n8 THE COURT: Sustained.\n9 Q. Do you see 2/10 on the corner on the front page?\n10 A. I do see it.\n11 Q. Is there any such designation on any of the remaining\n12 pages?\n13 A. Based on the photographs, it doesn't look like there is.\n14 Q. You recall on cross-examination being shown a document that\n15 said 10/17 and 1/19, correct?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 MR. HORTON: Objection to the scope.\n18 THE COURT: Overruled. You may go ahead.\n19 Q. And you recall testifying you couldn't even say if that was\n20 October 17 or October of 2017, correct?\n21 A. It could have been either without looking at the bottom\n22 one.\n23 MS. SHROFF: I have nothing further.\n24 MR. HORTON: Just briefly, your Honor.\n25 REDIRECT EXAMINATION\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Recross - Gale\n1 BY MR. HORTON:\n2 Q. Ms. Loftus, can you put up GXWA-30 please and zoom in on\n3 the top right.\n4 This document is summary 2019 through 2023 all\n5 donation. Ms. Loftus, can you zoom in on the top right.\n6 Ms. Gale, what was the date, the month and the year.\n7 MS. SHROFF: Objection. She never testified it's a\n8 date.\n9 MR. HORTON: It's in evidence, your Honor.\n10 THE COURT: I haven't heard the question.\n11 Q. What was the date of the search you performed, the month\n12 and the date?\n13 A. It was March 15.\n14 Q. And what does this say on this document?\n15 A. 2-10.\n16 MR. HORTON: No further questions.\n17 THE COURT: Well, you're asking her what those red,\n18 the red numbers and slash say. Is that your question?\n19 MR. HORTON: That's correct. What it says on the\n20 document.\n21 MS. SHROFF: Could I just see the first page again.\n22 RECROSS EXAMINATION\n23 BY MS. SHROFF:\n24 Q. It's stapled, correct?\n25 A. Correct.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Recross - Gale\n1 Q. Do you recall sitting here today if there was another\n2 stapled packaged that said one of ten.\n3 A. I don't recall.\n4 Q. Do you recall if there was one that said three of ten?\n5 A. I don't recall.\n6 MR. HORTON: Objection.\n7 THE COURT: Overruled.\n8 Q. How about four of ten?\n9 A. I don't remember.\n10 Q. Five of ten, six of ten, seven of ten and 10 of 10, do\n11 remember any of that?\n12 A. No.\n13 MS. SHROFF: Thank you. Nothing further.\n14 MR. HORTON: Nothing further.\n15 THE COURT: You may step out of the courtroom. Thank\n16 you, and the prosecution may call its next witness.\n17 MR. FERGENSON: The government calls Elizabeth\n18 Berstler.\n19 ELIZABETH BERSTLER,\n20 called as a witness by the Government,\n21 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:\n22 THE COURT: Please state your name and spell it and\n23 speak right into the microphone.\n24 THE WITNESS: Elizabeth Berstler, E-L-I-Z-A-B-E-T-H,\n25 B-E-R-S-T-L-E-R.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 THE COURT: You may inquire.\n2 DIRECT EXAMINATION\n3 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n4 Q. Good morning, Ms. Berstler.\n5 A. Hi.\n6 Q. Where do you work?\n7 A. Morgan Stanley.\n8 Q. What's your position at Morgan Stanley?\n9 A. Client service associate.\n10 Q. How long have you worked at Morgan Stanley?\n11 A. Sixteen years.\n12 Q. What are some of your duties and responsibilities as a\n13 client service associate at Morgan Stanley?\n14 A. One of the administrative assistants on a team of financial\n15 advises. I help clients with their day-to-day transactional\n16 request, checks, journals, wires, bill pay, new account\n17 opening.\n18 Q. And for a given account do -- who is your boss for giving\n19 client account?\n20 A. The head financial advisor on our team Christina Schatz.\n21 Q. And you said administrative work, what sorts of things do\n22 you do in your day-to-day?\n23 A. I process transactions which are usually journals, internal\n24 transfers, checks, wire transfers, new account opening, helping\n25 clients with anything that they need help with.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 Q. Are bank deposits at Morgan Stanley FDIC insured?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 THE COURT: If you'll speak into the microphone\n4 please.\n5 Q. If a client with a brokerage account holds cash, what\n6 happens to that cash?\n7 A. It's swept into the bank deposit program.\n8 Q. Ms. Berstler, are you familiar with a company called Crane\n9 Advisory Services?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. How are you familiar with it?\n12 A. They had an account with us.\n13 Q. And who did you interact with at Crane?\n14 A. Haitham Khaled.\n15 Q. What was his role at Crane if you know?\n16 A. I don't know.\n17 Q. And what was Crane to your understanding?\n18 A. Some type of consulting firm.\n19 Q. Do you know what kind of consulting?\n20 A. No.\n21 Q. And what did you do for Crane when they were your client?\n22 A. Help with the wire transfers in and out.\n23 Q. Are you familiar with a company called G/Clubs?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. And how are you familiar with it?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 A. They had an account with us.\n2 Q. And who did you interact with at G/Clubs?\n3 A. Alex Hadjicharalambous.\n4 Q. And what was his role at G/Clubs to your understanding?\n5 A. Financial controller.\n6 Q. And what did you do for G/Clubs when they were your client?\n7 A. I helped process transactions, checks, journals, wire\n8 transfers.\n9 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could publish Government Exhibit Stip-14\n10 which is in evidence. We'll go to page six.\n11 Ms. Berstler, you see at the top it says Morgan\n12 Stanley Smith Barney at the top?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Pursuant to the stipulation, the government offers\n15 Government exhibits 112 through 125.\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection.\n17 THE COURT: They're admitted.\n18 (Government's Exhibits 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117,\n19 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124 and 125 received in evidence)\n20 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n21 Q. We can take that down, Ms. Loftus.\n22 Ms. Berstler, do you recall approximately when G/Clubs\n23 became a client?\n24 A. December of 2020 or January 2021.\n25 Q. And approximately what amount was the account funded with?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 A. About 50 million.\n2 Q. What sorts of things was G/Clubs paying for with their\n3 account at the start?\n4 A. Business operational expenses, rent, payroll, event\n5 expenses.\n6 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could please publish Government Exhibit\n7 MSS-112. If we can go to page two. Thank you, Ms. Loftus. If\n8 we could actually scroll down. If we could blow up that bottom\n9 email.\n10 Now, Ms. Berstler, who is this email from?\n11 A. Alex H.\n12 Q. And what's the domain in his email address?\n13 A. G/Club.com.\n14 Q. Who is this email to?\n15 A. To Christina Schatz.\n16 Q. Remind us what her role was?\n17 A. She's the financial advisor.\n18 Q. Are you also a recipient on this email?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. Who's copied?\n21 A. Haitham Khaled.\n22 Q. I can go ahead and read the body. It says, Hi, Christina,\n23 please find the information below in regards to the transfer we\n24 would like to schedule for tomorrow 1.19.21 from our account\n25 ending 8564 ADP and expenses. Just to pause.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 Ms. Berstler, do you recall the account ending 8564\n2 was?\n3 A. It was the account that they paid bills out of.\n4 Q. I'll continue reading. It says I have attached the\n5 beneficiaries account information for you as a reference.\n6 Please be aware that this account only accepts GBP. Again to\n7 pause.\n8 Ms. Berstler, what is GBP?\n9 A. Great British Pounds.\n10 Q. And to read the stars. It says amount, 1 million U.S.D.\n11 beneficiary account name is Fiesta Property Developments, LTD.\n12 And then there's more information.\n13 Ms. Berstler at the time you received this email, did\n14 you know what Fiesta Property Developments LTD was?\n15 A. No.\n16 Q. And if we could scroll up to page two, please. We can\n17 actually keep scrolling up. We'll go to page one. I'll focus\n18 you, Ms. Loftus, if we could blow up the middle email.\n19 Ms. Berstler, what did you reply on January 20 at 9:02\n20 a.m.?\n21 A. Can you give a brief explanation purpose of this wire.\n22 Q. And do you recall why you asked for a brief\n23 explanation/purpose of the wire?\n24 A. The outgoing wire had been flagged by our fraud operations\n25 department for some further explanation that the wire\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 instructions had been verified.\n2 Q. We'll turn to that in a moment. Just if we could,\n3 Ms. Loftus, zoom on the top email. Is this a response from\n4 Alex H?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. I'll go ahead and read the body. It says, This transfer\n7 was initiated from G/Club Operations, LLC to Fiesta Property\n8 Developments, LTD, a real estate holding company owned by\n9 Mr. He in the UK. Same owner of G/Clubs Operations, LLC, for a\n10 possible down payment on a property they plan to purchase for a\n11 total of $10 million. It says the transaction is recorded with\n12 an internal loan agreement from the lender G/Club Operation,\n13 LLC, to the borrower Fiesta Property, LLC, for the amount of\n14 $10 million with a repayment plan.\n15 Ms. Berstler, so this email says that Fiesta Property\n16 Developments is a real estate holding company. Did you ever\n17 receive further information about Fiesta's business?\n18 A. No.\n19 Q. It says the purpose is a possible down payment on a\n20 property they plan to purchase. Did you ever receive further\n21 information on the property being purchased?\n22 A. No.\n23 Q. And then it references an internal loan agreement. Do you\n24 ever recall receiving the loan agreement?\n25 A. No.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 Q. Do you know why Alex H specified the loan agreement had a\n2 repayment plan?\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could now go to Government Exhibit\n5 MSS-125. If we could blow up the header. First, what's the\n6 date of this email?\n7 A. January 20, 2021.\n8 Q. Same date as the chain we were just looking at?\n9 A. Yes, I think.\n10 Q. And who is it from?\n11 A. Deidra Harrell.\n12 Q. Where does Deidra Harrell work at Morgan Stanley?\n13 A. Fraud operations.\n14 Q. And who is this email to?\n15 A. This email was to me.\n16 Q. And could you read the subject line of the email, please?\n17 A. Urgent action required outgoing wire review MS number\n18 552068564.\n19 Q. And 8564, do you recognize those numbers?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. What are they?\n22 A. G/Clubs account number.\n23 Q. If we could zoom out Ms. Loftus, and if we could zoom in on\n24 the bottom half with the body.\n25 Now, the email says, Hello, I'm contacting you from\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 fraud operations regarding the below wire. In light of\n2 increase events where fraudulent parties directly target\n3 clients, the following information is needed to verify the\n4 legitimacy of the wire request and the legitimacy of\n5 instructions the client has received. Fraud operations is\n6 requiring the response to the below questions in order to have\n7 the wire processed in a timely fashion. We appreciate your\n8 continued partnership to continue to protect our clients.\n9 And then, Ms. Berstler, do you see under client\n10 account name, can you read the entity listed there?\n11 A. G/Club Operations LLC.\n12 Q. And the from account, can you read the last four?\n13 A. 8564.\n14 Q. And the amount listed there, what is the amount?\n15 A. 734,000.\n16 Q. And had this wire been in GBP?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. If we could scroll down to the next page, Ms. Loftus. Now\n19 looking at these boxes, let's first zoom on the first set of\n20 boxes, Ms. Loftus.\n21 Ms. Berstler, directing you to the, I guess the second\n22 from bottom row, could you read what is the text there in the\n23 left column?\n24 A. The second from the bottom?\n25 Q. Yes, start with Purpose.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 A. Purpose of the wire manually input.\n2 Q. And there's nothing inputted there, yet, correct?\n3 A. Correct.\n4 Q. If we can zoom out. If we could zoom on the second box,\n5 please. Ms. Berstler, could you read the text in the top box?\n6 A. How did the client connect with Fiesta Property\n7 Developments, LTD.\n8 Q. If we could zoom out, please, and if we could scroll down.\n9 Here if we can zoom on the very top.\n10 Did Ms. Schatz forward this email to you on January\n11 20, 2021?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. If we could zoom out and scroll down, and if we could keep\n14 scrolling down. If we could zoom on the top email, please.\n15 Ms. Berstler, how did you respond to the email from\n16 fraud alert escalations?\n17 A. See answers below. Thanks.\n18 Q. If we could scroll down. We could go boxes. We'll zoom on\n19 the first box. Can you read the text, the answer to the text\n20 purpose of the wire?\n21 A. This is a wire to an affiliated business for real estate\n22 investment.\n23 Q. Where did that information come from?\n24 A. Alex's email.\n25 Q. If we could zoom out. If we could zoom on the bottom box.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 Could you read the answer to the top row, how did the client\n2 connect with Fiesta Property LTD?\n3 A. Fiesta Property Developments, LTD is another company owned\n4 by the UBO Haoran He.\n5 Q. Where did that information come from?\n6 A. Alex's email.\n7 Q. And, Ms. Berstler, after you supplied this information, did\n8 the wire go out?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Ms. Berstler, if you had known that the purpose of the wire\n11 given to you was not how the funds would actually be used,\n12 would you have processed this wire transfer?\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. Ms. Berstler, are you the final decision maker on wire\n16 transfers at Morgan Stanley?\n17 A. No.\n18 Q. Now you responded to fraud operations email, correct?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. And you supplied the information given to you about the\n21 purpose of the wire?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. If you had known that the purpose of the wire given to you\n24 was not how it would actually be used, would you have passed on\n25 that information to fraud operations?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection, your Honor.\n2 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n3 A. Can you ask the question again.\n4 Q. If you had known that the purpose of the wire given to you\n5 was not how the funds would actually be used, would you have\n6 passed on that information to fraud operations?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. You would have if you knew it was how it would not be used?\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Asked and answered, your Honor.\n10 MR. FERGENSON: I think it was just confusion, your\n11 Honor, with the question.\n12 THE INTERPRETER: your Honor, can you ask all parties\n13 to speak into the mic. I cannot hear.\n14 THE COURT: You can read back the question.\n15 (Record was read)\n16 MR. FERGENSON: If I could rephrase.\n17 Q. If you had known the purpose of the wire given to you was\n18 not how they would actually be used, would you have passed onto\n19 fraud operations the purpose of the wire given to you as the\n20 real purpose?\n21 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n22 MR. FERGENSON: I can rephrase.\n23 THE COURT: The question assumes that she knows the\n24 real purpose. So, yes, you can have another shot.\n25 BY MR. FERGENSON:\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 Q. Ms. Berstler, if you had known that the purpose given to\n2 you was not true, would you have conveyed that purpose to fraud\n3 operations?\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n5 THE COURT: You may answer.\n6 A. We would have halted the wire and not have allowed it to go\n7 out.\n8 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection, your Honor.\n9 THE COURT: Sustained. Your answer is not responsive.\n10 If you knew that the purpose of the wire was not what was\n11 stated, it was a different purpose, would you have let your\n12 fraud department know that?\n13 THE WITNESS: Yes.\n14 Q. Do you rely on a client to provide you accurate information\n15 about the purpose of a wire?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. And if you knew that a client was lying to you about it, do\n18 you rely on that information if you knew it was a lie?\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n20 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n21 A. Could you ask it again.\n22 Q. If you knew that a client was lying to you about the\n23 purpose of a wire, would you rely on that information and pass\n24 it on. The question is hypothetically.\n25 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 MR. FERGENSON: I'll just move on, your Honor.\n2 THE COURT: Go ahead.\n3 Q. Let's go to page 10.\n4 Ms. Berstler, if you could read Deidra Harrell's\n5 response?\n6 A. Thank you for confirming. The transaction has been\n7 released from review.\n8 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could go to Government Exhibit MSS-113.\n9 If we could go to pages three to four.\n10 Now, who is this email from?\n11 A. The email is from Alex H.\n12 Q. And what's the date?\n13 A. January 25, 2021.\n14 Q. So five days after the initial wire request?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. And it's to you and Christina Schatz, right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Who's copied?\n19 A. Haitham Khaled.\n20 Q. And again, what is the amount of this wire request?\n21 A. Five million U.S. dollars.\n22 Q. And where is it going?\n23 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD.\n24 Q. And I won't ask you to reread it. Is the same purpose\n25 given beneath the wire details?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And if we could just go up to page one. Did this second\n3 wire go out?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Let's go to MSS-114, Ms. Loftus. We can scroll down\n6 slightly. If we could zoom in on Alex H's email, the bottom\n7 one. Another email from Alex H, right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And this is about a week later February 2?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. And again to you and Christina Schatz, right?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. And what was the amount of this wire?\n14 A. Four million U.S. dollar.\n15 Q. And who is the beneficiary?\n16 A. Fiesta Properties Developments, LTD.\n17 Q. And I won't ask you to reread it, but is the same purpose\n18 given beneath the wire info?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. And if we can go back up to page one.\n21 Do you see you responded or can you read your\n22 response, the middle email?\n23 A. Alex, we bought 2,932,000 British Pounds today. I'll call\n24 you tomorrow morning to confirm the wire.\n25 Q. And did this wire ultimately go out, Ms. Berstler?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Ms. Loftus, let's now go to Government Exhibit MSS-116.\n3 Let's go to page three, please. If we could zoom on this\n4 email. What's the date of this email from Alex H?\n5 A. May 6, 2021.\n6 Q. I can go ahead and read the body. It says, Good afternoon,\n7 Liz, please find the information below in regards to the one\n8 wire transfer we would like to schedule from our accounts. He\n9 says I attached the beneficiary's account information for you\n10 as reference. And then there's wire information.\n11 What is the amount of this wire?\n12 A. 20 million U.S. dollars.\n13 Q. What's the account name?\n14 A. Deltec Bank and Trust Limited.\n15 Q. What country is the vendor address listed?\n16 A. The Bahamas.\n17 Q. Now, beneath that, a few rows beneath that it says bank's\n18 name Citibank. What do you understand that to mean?\n19 A. That's the clearing bank.\n20 Q. And what's a clearing bank?\n21 A. It's the bank we wire the money to for the beneficiary.\n22 Q. And can you explain to the jury what you mean by that, how\n23 that works?\n24 A. The money is wired to Citibank. Deltec Bank in Trust\n25 Limited have an account at Citibank.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 Q. And then beneath the bank name do you see it says\n2 reference/memo?\n3 A. Yep.\n4 Q. And can you read what it says to the right of\n5 reference/memo?\n6 A. 100179601 Hamilton Digital Assets FD SP.\n7 Q. What's your understanding of what a reference/memo line is?\n8 A. It's usually used for further credit to a further\n9 beneficiary.\n10 Q. And what do you mean by that?\n11 A. So it would be the further credit to Hamilton Digital Asset\n12 account at Deltec Bank and Trust.\n13 THE COURT: What is your understanding of the role of\n14 Citibank in this transaction?\n15 THE WITNESS: They're the bank that receives the money\n16 on behalf of another bank.\n17 Q. Ms. Berstler, do you know what Hamilton Digital Assets is?\n18 A. No.\n19 Q. Do you know what the numbers, the 1001796 refer to?\n20 A. No.\n21 Q. Focusing on the last line there, Ms. Loftus, the internal\n22 reference info.\n23 Ms. Berstler, what's your understanding of internal\n24 reference info means?\n25 A. That would be what G/Clubs would put in their books for\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 their records as to what the wire was for.\n2 Q. And what does it say in that row?\n3 A. Cash dividend distribution.\n4 Q. And if we could zoom out and go to the top, just top of\n5 page one.\n6 Did this wire go out, Ms. Berstler?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. Let's go now, Ms. Loftus, to Government Exhibit MSS-118.\n9 If we could just scroll down one to two so you can see the\n10 email. If we could zoom on Alex H's email.\n11 What's the date of this email?\n12 A. May 11, 2021.\n13 THE COURT: One moment. It's 11:30. Time for our\n14 half hour break. Remember that you're not permitted to discuss\n15 the case amongst yourselves. Don't permit anyone to discuss\n16 the case in your presence. Don't read, watch or listen to\n17 anything from any source that touches on the subject matter of\n18 this case. We'll resume at noon.\n19 THE LAW CLERK: Jury exiting.\n20 THE COURT: You may step out of the courtroom,\n21 Ms. Berstler. Don't discuss your testimony.\n22 (Witness temporarily excused)\n23 (Jury not present)\n24 THE COURT: Please be seated. Is there anything\n25 before we resume at noon?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler- Direct\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: Nothing from the defense.\n2 MR. FERGENSON: Nor from the government.\n3 (Recess)\n4\n5\n6\n7\n8\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 THE COURT: Please have the jurors brought in.\n2 (Jury present)\n3 THE COURT: Please be seated.\n4 Remember that you're still under oath.\n5 THE WITNESS: Yes.\n6 THE COURT: You may continue the inquiry.\n7 MR. FERGENSON: Thank you, your Honor.\n8 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n9 Q. Ms. Berstler, would you take steps to process a customer's\n10 wire if you knew the purpose provided by the customer was\n11 false?\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection, your Honor.\n13 THE COURT: You may answer.\n14 A. No.\n15 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, if we could go back to\n16 Government Exhibit MSS118.\n17 And if we could scroll down slightly and just zoom on\n18 Alex H's email.\n19 Q. All right. Now, Ms. Berstler, we were looking at this\n20 before the break. Can you remind us what the date is?\n21 A. May 11, 2021.\n22 Q. All right. And what's the amount being requested here?\n23 A. $15 million.\n24 Q. And where is it going to?\n25 A. Deltec Bank and Trust Limited.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, is it published?\n2 Q. Okay. Now the amount is $15 million, right, Ms. Berstler?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And what's the account name it's going to?\n5 A. Deltec Bank and Trust Limited.\n6 Q. And the vendor address, is that the same address in the\n7 Bahamas?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. All right. And the Reference/Memo, is that the same\n10 Reference/Memo?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. And then what is the Internal Reference Info provided here?\n13 A. Loan.\n14 Q. And do you recall what the last one to Deltec Bank said?\n15 A. Dividend distribution.\n16 Q. Do you have any independent knowledge of whether this was\n17 in fact a loan?\n18 A. No.\n19 Q. Did you just rely on the information provided?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 MR. FERGENSON: All right. If we could zoom out and\n22 go to page 1.\n23 Q. Did this wire go out?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 MR. FERGENSON: All right. Ms. Loftus, let's go to\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 Government Exhibit MSS119.\n2 All right. And if we could zoom in on Alex H's email.\n3 Q. What's the date of this email from Alex H, Ms. Berstler?\n4 A. June 21, 2021.\n5 Q. And what's the amount of this wire request?\n6 A. 35 million.\n7 Q. And same destination as the last two?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And same Reference/Memo as the last two?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. What's the Internal Reference Info here?\n12 A. Loan.\n13 Q. All right. And I'll read just the body up top, which says,\n14 \"Please find the information below in regards to the first of\n15 the one wire transfer we would like to schedule from our\n16 accounts today 06.21.21 for 35mm. As discussed I will send you\n17 another wire request this Wednesday 06.23.21 for the remaining\n18 15mm.\"\n19 Ms. Berstler, do you recall why the transfer was\n20 broken into two different wires?\n21 A. No, I don't remember.\n22 Q. All right. Let's go to MSS——and did this wire go out?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 MR. FERGENSON: Let's go to MSS120.\n25 And if we could scroll down slightly.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 Q. All right. What's the date of this email, from Alex H?\n2 A. June 23, 2021.\n3 Q. And what's the amount of this transfer?\n4 A. 15 million U.S. Dollars.\n5 Q. Same recipient info?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. What's the Internal Reference Info on this?\n8 A. Loan.\n9 Q. All right. And Ms. Berstler, do you recall, looking at\n10 these wire transfers, what the total amount was sent to\n11 Hamilton Digital Assets at Deltec Bank?\n12 A. 85 million.\n13 Q. And this is June 23rd. The first we looked at was May 6th.\n14 And approximately what time period was that sent?\n15 A. About a month and a half.\n16 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, let's go to MSS122.\n17 All right. And if we could just zoom on the top\n18 email, Ms. Loftus.\n19 Q. All right. Who is this email from?\n20 A. Alex H.\n21 Q. To whom?\n22 A. Sorry?\n23 Q. Who is it to?\n24 A. Christina Schatz.\n25 Q. And are you copied?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. What's the date of this email?\n3 A. July 15, 2021.\n4 Q. And what's the subject?\n5 A. Statement of Account.\n6 Q. All right. And Alex H says, \"Good afternoon Christina,\n7 Please find attached statement of account as requested for G\n8 Club International Limited.\" What was G Club International\n9 Limited?\n10 A. I don't know.\n11 Q. And Ms. Berstler, do you recall why this was requested?\n12 A. Nope.\n13 MR. FERGENSON: All right. Let's zoom out.\n14 And if we could scroll.\n15 Q. Let's first read the bottom email, Alex H's email.\n16 All right. Ms. Berstler, do you see this is an email\n17 from Alex H to David Fallon?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. And what's the date of the email?\n20 A. July 14, 2021.\n21 Q. All right. And what's the subject?\n22 A. Statement of Account.\n23 Q. All right. And Alex H says——actually, let me ask you, do\n24 you know who David Fallon is, Ms. Berstler?\n25 A. No.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 Q. Did you ever speak to David Fallon?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. He says, \"Hi David, Based on the phone call we just had——\"\n4 Alex says this. \"Based on the phone call we just had can you\n5 please provide me a summary receipt (statement of account) that\n6 we have with Hamilton Digital Assets containing all\n7 information.\"\n8 MR. FERGENSON: And if we could zoom out, please.\n9 And just zoom on the middle email.\n10 Q. What was David's reply, Ms. Berstler?\n11 A. \"Hi Alex, Please find attached the statement of account for\n12 G Club International.\"\n13 MR. FERGENSON: All right. And if we could zoom out.\n14 And actually, we'll keep going down. We'll go to\n15 page 3.\n16 All right. Now, yeah, if we could zoom——just pull up\n17 the text so it's larger. Thank you, Ms. Loftus.\n18 Q. All right. Ms. Berstler, do you see in the top right it\n19 says, \"NAV Fund Services (Cayman) Ltd.\"?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Do you know what NAV Fund Services is?\n22 A. No.\n23 Q. And then just focusing you, the large bold text towards the\n24 middle that says Hamilton Digital Assets Fund SP a Segregated\n25 Portfolio of Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC, do you know what a\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 segregated portfolio is?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. Do you know what Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC is?\n4 A. No.\n5 Q. Okay. And then beneath that——oh, and what's the Issued\n6 Date in the top left here?\n7 A. June 3, 2021.\n8 Q. All right. And so focusing you in the box beneath, what's\n9 the name listed there?\n10 A. G Club International Limited.\n11 Q. And what was the name of the G Club entity that was a\n12 Morgan Stanley client?\n13 A. G Club Operations.\n14 Q. All right. So the focusing on the next row, what's the\n15 transaction?\n16 A. Subscription (by cash amount).\n17 Q. And what's the amount?\n18 A. $15 million.\n19 Q. And then what's the effective date there?\n20 A. August 1, 2021.\n21 MR. FERGENSON: All right. Now let's go to the next\n22 page, Ms. Loftus, please.\n23 And if we could zoom on the text just to make it\n24 larger.\n25 Q. Okay. Now what's the Issued Date here, Ms. Berstler?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 A. July 14, 2021.\n2 Q. That's the same date as Alex H's email?\n3 MR. FERGENSON: We can zoom out and scroll up.\n4 A. I don't know.\n5 MR. FERGENSON: Can you scroll up to Alex H's email.\n6 And if you want to zoom on the date.\n7 Q. Or can you read the date, Ms. Berstler?\n8 A. Yeah, July 14, 2021.\n9 Q. Same date?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 MR. FERGENSON: All right. Let's scroll back down,\n12 please.\n13 We can zoom on that text.\n14 Q. All right. Now what's the name listed on this one?\n15 A. G Club Operations LLC.\n16 Q. And is that the name of the entity that was a Morgan\n17 Stanley client?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. All right. And what's the amount listed there?\n20 A. $85 million.\n21 Q. And what's the effective date?\n22 A. August 1, 2021.\n23 Q. And 85 million, is that the same amount that Morgan Stanley\n24 transferred to Hamilton at Deltec?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 Q. Okay. Now, Ms. Berstler, do you know what these dates, the\n2 Effective Date or the Order——I'll start with Effective Date.\n3 Do you know what that means?\n4 A. No.\n5 Q. Do you know what Order Received Date means?\n6 A. No.\n7 MR. FERGENSON: All right. Ms. Loftus, let's go to\n8 MSS121, please.\n9 And if we could go down to the first email, page 4.\n10 All right. And if we could zoom on Alex H's email.\n11 Q. All right. Now, Ms. Berstler, what's the date of this\n12 email from Alex H?\n13 A. July 12, 2021.\n14 Q. And I'll go ahead and just read the third paragraph in his\n15 email, which says, \"This is in regards to the 10mm USD we sent\n16 back in January to Fiesta Property Developments Ltd. The\n17 agreement was for 10mm GBP not 10mm USD—–this was myself and my\n18 teams error.\" He says, \"Based on our transaction history we\n19 transferred over 8,060,000 worth of GBP. We need to wire the\n20 remaining 1,940,000 worth of Great Britain pounds.\" And then\n21 he says, \"Please use this email as authorization.\"\n22 And in the beneficiary account name beneath that,\n23 what's the beneficiary account?\n24 A. Fiesta Property Developments Ltd.\n25 MR. FERGENSON: All right. And if we could scroll up,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 Ms. Loftus.\n2 And if we can zoom on the response.\n3 Q. And Ms. Berstler, how did you respond?\n4 A. I wrote, \"Total sent to Fiesta so far is 7,326,000 GBP. On\n5 January 21, 2021, 734,000 GBP; January 27, 2021, 3,660,000 GBP;\n6 February 4, 2021, 2,932,000 GBP. If you needed 10mm GBP total\n7 sent to Fiesta, we would need to send 2,674,000 GBP.\"\n8 MR. FERGENSON: All right. And if we could scroll up,\n9 please.\n10 And then, yeah, we can zoom on Alex's email.\n11 Q. All right. And then Ms. Berstler, just focusing you on the\n12 address line, could you read the address line. In Alex's\n13 email.\n14 A. \"Transferwise, 56 shore ditch high street, London, E1 6JJ,\n15 United Kingdom.\"\n16 Q. Do you know what's at that address?\n17 A. No.\n18 Q. Do you know what Transferwise is?\n19 A. No.\n20 MR. FERGENSON: All right. You can zoom out.\n21 And we can scroll up.\n22 And we can keep scrolling up. You can keep going.\n23 Q. All right. And Ms. Berstler, did this wire go out?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 MR. FERGENSON: All right. Let's go to MSS124,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 please.\n2 All right. And if we could, let's start at page 2,\n3 the first email. Let's zoom on that, please.\n4 Q. Okay. So this is from Alex H, right?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. And what's the date?\n7 A. July 29, 2021.\n8 Q. And who is it to?\n9 A. It is to Christina Schatz.\n10 Q. And who is copied?\n11 A. Me.\n12 Q. And what's the subject?\n13 A. Returned Wire.\n14 Q. And could you read Alex H's email.\n15 A. \"Good afternoon Christina, Attached you'll find the wire\n16 that was returned to us. It was the funds we sent to Fiesta in\n17 British pounds. Can you let us know if you see any activity on\n18 the back end——I don't see the return in our account. Thank\n19 you.\"\n20 Q. And this is about two weeks after that last Fiesta wire?\n21 A. I think.\n22 MR. FERGENSON: If you could scroll up, please.\n23 All right. And if we could zoom on——thank you.\n24 Q. Is this July 29th again?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 Q. And this is from you?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Could you read your response, please.\n4 A. \"Alex: I checked with our back office on this. Funds were\n5 not sent to Morgan Stanley following the correct GBP wire\n6 instructions, therefore MS never received this wire. Please\n7 have the sending bank trace the wire from their end. In\n8 addition, we would not have been able to accept this wire, even\n9 if it was sent correctly, since the account is only allowed\n10 outgoing same-name wires to G Club. All incoming third party\n11 wires would be returned. Fiesta should wire funds to another G\n12 Club account. Sorry for the inconvenience.\"\n13 Q. Ms. Berstler, when you wrote, \"we would not have been able\n14 to accept this wire even if it was sent correctly since the\n15 account is only allowed outgoing same-name wires to G Club,\"\n16 what did you mean by that?\n17 A. At this point the G Club account had a——was blocked from\n18 any——any third-party transactions by another department at\n19 Morgan Stanley.\n20 Q. And——\n21 THE COURT: What do you mean by third-party\n22 transaction?\n23 THE WITNESS: To any account that is not in the name\n24 of G Club Operations.\n25 Q. And Ms. Berstler, based on your time at Morgan Stanley, why\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Direct\n1 are some accounts only allowed same-name transfers?\n2 A. If our——if another Morgan Stanley department is monitoring\n3 the activity and investigating an account, they might only\n4 allow you to do same-name transfers.\n5 Q. And what departments do that?\n6 A. I guess fraud operations, our AML department, and our\n7 global financial crimes department.\n8 Q. And what's AML?\n9 A. Anti-money laundering.\n10 MR. FERGENSON: All right. And if we could zoom out.\n11 And scroll up. Yeah, let's zoom on the top one.\n12 Q. Could you read the last response here. I'm sorry.\n13 Withdrawn.\n14 What's the date of this email?\n15 A. August 5, 2021.\n16 Q. And could you read your further reply to Alex H.\n17 A. \"Unfortunately I was not given approval to enter the recall\n18 request for this wire and was reminded that the account is\n19 allowed outgoing same-name wires only and a returned wire would\n20 not be accepted. Sorry.\"\n21 Q. And \"the account is allowed outgoing same-name wires only,\"\n22 what were you referring to there?\n23 A. That the account was blocked, and only outgoing wires to\n24 another G Club account were——was allowed.\n25 MR. FERGENSON: Ms. Loftus, we can take that down.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. Ms. Berstler, what ultimately happened with the G Club\n2 account?\n3 A. They were forced to transfer out.\n4 Q. And what do you mean by that?\n5 A. Morgan Stanley closed the account and——and told them to\n6 transfer the money to another G Club account.\n7 Q. And do you know where the money was transferred?\n8 A. I do not.\n9 Q. Do you know who Bo Collins is?\n10 A. Sorry. What was the name?\n11 Q. Bo Collins?\n12 A. No.\n13 MR. FERGENSON: May I have a moment, your Honor.\n14 THE COURT: You may.\n15 MR. FERGENSON: Nothing further, your Honor.\n16 THE COURT: Cross-examination.\n17 MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you, your Honor.\n18 CROSS EXAMINATION\n19 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n20 Q. Hi. Good afternoon, Ms. Berstler. Just a couple of\n21 questions about your preparation for testimony today.\n22 Did you meet with the government lawyers here before\n23 giving testimony here today?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Okay. And when I say meet, I mean, you know, sort of by\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 phone or videoconference or in person.\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Okay. And how many times did you meet with them?\n4 A. Three.\n5 Q. Okay. And were those three times all by videoconference?\n6 A. One videoconference and two in-person.\n7 Q. Okay. And if you can just tell me, who was there when you\n8 met with them, to the best of your recollection?\n9 A. My first two meetings were with Micah, and my third meeting\n10 was with Ryan.\n11 Q. And was there anyone else there besides Micah on the first\n12 two occasions and Mr. Fergenson [sic] on the third?\n13 A. Yes, but I don't know the names.\n14 Q. Okay. Fair enough.\n15 Was there anyone else from Morgan Stanley there with\n16 you?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Okay. And who was that?\n19 A. Jeremy Winer.\n20 Q. And is Mr. Winer an attorney for Morgan Stanley?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. All right. Thank you.\n23 THE COURT: Mr. Schirick, please speak into the\n24 microphone.\n25 MR. SCHIRICK: Yes. Apologies, your Honor.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. Now you testified that you worked as an administrative\n2 assistant to a number of Morgan Stanley financial advisors,\n3 right?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. And approximately how many do you cover at any given time?\n6 A bunch, I'm guessing.\n7 A. Five.\n8 Q. Okay. And that includes Ms. Schatz.\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. All right. And Ms. Schatz was the primary point of contact\n11 for G|CLUBS——\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. ——on the G|CLUBS account for Morgan Stanley.\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. Okay. And you testified that——withdrawn.\n16 Do you recall that G|CLUBS' business was as a\n17 membership services company?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. Okay. And that it offered perks or services to its\n20 members?\n21 A. I don't know what they offered.\n22 Q. Okay. But it was a membership services company, to your\n23 understanding.\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. All right. And were you working with Ms. Schatz when\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 G|CLUBS first became a client of Morgan Stanley?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Okay. And do you recall whether, at the time that G|CLUBS\n4 became a client, Ms. Schatz met in person with anyone from\n5 G|CLUBS?\n6 A. I don't know.\n7 Q. Okay. Do you know if she ever met with anyone in person\n8 from G|CLUBS?\n9 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n10 It's fine, your Honor.\n11 THE COURT: You may answer. You may answer.\n12 A. I don't know.\n13 Q. Okay. And you mentioned someone named Alex——I'm going to\n14 give it a shot here——Hadjicharalambous, if that's the correct\n15 pronunciation. You recall mentioning him during your\n16 testimony?\n17 A. Yes, yes.\n18 Q. And he was a representative of G|CLUBS, I think you\n19 testified on direct, right?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Okay. Did you ever meet——we'll just call him Alex H?\n22 A. No.\n23 Q. And you don't know whether Ms. Schatz ever met Alex H.\n24 A. No.\n25 Q. Or Yvette Wang, for that matter.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 A. Who?\n2 Q. Yvette Wang.\n3 A. No, I don't know.\n4 Q. And do you know whether Ms. Schatz ever went to the G|CLUBS\n5 office on East 64th Street here in town?\n6 A. I don't know.\n7 Q. Okay. Now I believe you testified that G|CLUBS accounts\n8 were first opened at Morgan Stanley in December of 2020, or\n9 thereabouts?\n10 A. Mm-hmm.\n11 Q. Does that sound right?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. And do you know when they were closed, approximately? Just\n14 the best of your recollection.\n15 A. Late summer 2021.\n16 Q. Okay. So August, September 2021, something in that\n17 neighborhood?\n18 A. Yeah.\n19 Q. Okay. And during the time that its account was open at\n20 Morgan Stanley, I believe you testified on direct that G|CLUBS\n21 used the account to pay for all kinds of, you know, ordinary\n22 business expenses; is that fair?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Okay. So they used it to pay vendors, for example?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. You're aware of this? And they used it to pay taxes, for\n2 example?\n3 A. I don't know if taxes were paid.\n4 Q. Okay. And you knew this because your role was to sort of\n5 handle these kinds of client requests for payment, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And I believe you testified on direct you would handle like\n8 client requests for wires, right?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. And sort of other operational kind of tasks——\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. ——that clients would request of Morgan Stanley?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Fair? Okay. All right. Now you also testified on direct\n15 I think that you had some interactions with people in the\n16 bank's compliance department; is that fair?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Okay. And those interactions that you described when you\n19 were speaking with Mr. Fergenson were related to G|CLUBS,\n20 right?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Okay. And now since you started at Morgan Stanley in——I\n23 believe you said it was 2008?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Okay. So you've been there for 16 years, approximately?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Okay. Now since you started at Morgan Stanley in 2008,\n3 have you had multiple occasions to interact with the compliance\n4 department at Morgan Stanley?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Okay. And you've had a number of occasions to——withdrawn.\n7 And as part of that interaction, it's been because of\n8 various issues that have come up in other client accounts,\n9 right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Okay. And so I think included in compliance department,\n12 just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, I believe\n13 you testified about like a fraud department earlier? Would you\n14 include that in compliance?\n15 A. Fraud operations, yes.\n16 Q. Fraud, right, fair enough. Fraud operations? Okay. And\n17 then you also testified I think about an AML group. Would you\n18 consider that also to be in the compliance group within Morgan\n19 Stanley?\n20 A. Yes, it is a compliance group.\n21 Q. Okay. All right. And now when it comes to the compliance\n22 function——I think you testified to this on direct, but just to\n23 be clear——you don't have any decision-making authority when it\n24 came to compliance-related issues, right?\n25 A. I do not have any authority.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. Okay. And so for example, you don't have decision-making\n2 authority when it comes to whether the bank approves a\n3 particular wire transfer request, as we were talking about, or\n4 as you were talking about a few moments ago.\n5 A. Correct.\n6 Q. Okay. And Ms. Schatz didn't even have that authority,\n7 right?\n8 A. Correct.\n9 Q. Okay. That's purely the compliance group.\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Okay. All right. Now you also testified I believe on\n12 direct a bit about an entity called Crane; is that right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Okay. And Crane had something to do——withdrawn.\n15 Fair to say that Crane was some kind of consulting\n16 firm, in your understanding?\n17 A. I don't know exactly what their role was.\n18 Q. Sure. Fair enough. But do you have an understanding,\n19 generally, about what Crane was?\n20 A. No.\n21 Q. Okay. And so you didn't have any impression as to how\n22 Crane related to G|CLUBS in any way?\n23 A. No.\n24 Q. Okay. But you've heard the name Haitham Khaled, I think\n25 you testified, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And you knew he was a representative of Crane?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And are you aware that there was a lawsuit in which G|CLUBS\n5 sued Crane?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Okay. And are you aware that at some point G|CLUBS severed\n8 its relationship with Crane?\n9 A. No.\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Now I'd like to pull up, if we\n11 can, Government Exhibit MSS112. And if we could just——well,\n12 before we go there:\n13 Q. Do you remember being asked some questions on direct about\n14 Government Exhibit MSS112?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. If we can just scroll down,\n17 please, to page 3.\n18 Q. And I believe you talked to Mr. Fergenson on direct about\n19 this request for a million-dollar transfer?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Okay. And actually, I want to correct myself. It was\n22 actually a transfer for a million pounds Sterling, right, GBP?\n23 I know you saw a lot of these. This is the first one. 112 is\n24 the first transfer.\n25 THE COURT: Did you want to call her attention to a\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 particular exhibit?\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: Sure. Happy to, your Honor.\n3 Q. So what's being displayed in front of you, the email dated\n4 January 18, 2021, do you see that?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Okay. And does this look like the email that you talked to\n7 Mr. Fergenson about on direct, about the million-dollar GBP\n8 transfer? Do you recognize it?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. And then if we can just please\n11 scroll up to the top of this. And all the way to the top, if\n12 we can, please.\n13 Okay. And if we can just zoom in on the top portion,\n14 where it begins, \"Good morning Liz.\"\n15 Q. Okay. And again, you recall that you reviewed this on\n16 direct, right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Okay. And I believe you testified that this email from\n19 Alex H that we're looking at right now——you see at the bottom\n20 there where he signs it, Alex H?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. ——was a response to——withdrawn——was in response to your\n23 request that G|CLUBS provide a purpose for the wire that was\n24 requested? Do I have that right?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. Okay. And that request that you made to Alex H originated\n2 with the compliance folks at Morgan Stanley, right?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And you were just passing it along. Passing the request\n5 along.\n6 A. I was asking the question that I didn't know the answer to\n7 in their email.\n8 Q. Right. Fair enough. So is the distinction you're drawing\n9 that they asked you, you didn't know, so you then asked Alex H?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 MR. FERGENSON: Objection to form.\n12 THE COURT: That's very compound.\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Fair enough, your Honor. I'll\n14 rephrase.\n15 THE COURT: Okay.\n16 Q. So just to be clear, the process, or the sequence, was that\n17 the compliance department asked you if you knew what the\n18 purpose of the wire was, and you didn't know, right?\n19 A. Correct.\n20 Q. So you took that request and then you just passed it on to\n21 Alex H, right?\n22 MR. FERGENSON: Objection. Asked and answered.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Or clarifying, I think.\n24 THE COURT: I'll allow the answer.\n25 MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 A. I——I asked Alex for the reason of the wire because it was\n2 the question in fraud operations email that I didn't know the\n3 answer to.\n4 Q. Okay. Fair enough. That's all I was asking.\n5 And his explanation here——and I'll just read it\n6 briefly——\"that this transfer was initiated from G Club\n7 Operations LLC to Fiesta Property Developments, a real estate\n8 holding company.\" Do you see that?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Let's just pause there for a moment. And is it okay with\n11 you if we call G Club Operations just Operations, or Ops, just\n12 for short?\n13 A. Okay.\n14 Q. Okay. And Fiesta Property, we'll just call Fiesta, okay?\n15 A. Okay.\n16 Q. And Fiesta is described here as a \"real estate holding\n17 company,\" right?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. All right. And then as we continue on reading, it says,\n20 Owned by Mr. He in the UK, same owner of G Club Operations LLC.\n21 We'll stop there. And do you know who Mr. He is?\n22 A. He was the——he was listed as the ultimate beneficial owner\n23 of G Club.\n24 Q. Okay. And Alex H is telling you here that Mr. He is also\n25 the owner of Fiesta, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Okay. And that he's located in the UK, right?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. All right. And then Alex continues, as we read, for a\n5 possible down payment on a property they plan to purchase for a\n6 total of $10 million.\n7 Do you see that?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. Did I read that correctly?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. And as you sit here today, does that language sound\n12 definitive to you?\n13 A. I don't know.\n14 Q. Well, let's look at it. It says that the transfer was for\n15 a \"possible down payment on a property they plan to purchase.\"\n16 Did I read that correctly?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Okay. It doesn't say \"we signed a contract to buy property\n19 and the payment is due next week,\" right?\n20 MR. FERGENSON: Objection. The document speaks for\n21 itself, your Honor.\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: Well, I'm just trying to clarify the\n23 witness's understanding.\n24 THE COURT: You can answer the question.\n25 A. Can you repeat the question.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: Sure. Could we have the court reporter\n2 read back the question. I'm sorry.\n3 THE COURT: Just take it in pieces, please.\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: Sure.\n5 Q. So this doesn't say, for example, we signed a contract to\n6 buy property, right?\n7 A. Correct.\n8 Q. And it doesn't say the down payment is due next week,\n9 right?\n10 A. Correct.\n11 Q. It says that there was a plan, words in the document, for a\n12 possible——\n13 MR. FERGENSON: Objection to mischaracterizing the\n14 document.\n15 THE COURT: Are you claiming that he's not reading the\n16 words accurately?\n17 MR. FERGENSON: I'll withdraw it, your Honor.\n18 THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.\n19 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n20 Q. So it says that there is a plan, right?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Prospective, right?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Not definitive, right?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. Tentative sounding, right?\n2 MR. FERGENSON: Objection, your Honor.\n3 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. For a possible down payment, not definite, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. Okay. Now you were asked on direct by Mr. Fergenson\n8 whether you reviewed additional information about the loan\n9 that's referenced between Ops and Fiesta. Do you remember him\n10 asking you that?\n11 A. No.\n12 Q. Did you receive any additional information about the loan\n13 from Ops and Fiesta?\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. Okay. Did you ask for any additional information about the\n16 loan from Ops to Fiesta?\n17 A. No.\n18 Q. Right. You didn't, right? And did you receive a copy of\n19 the loan agreement?\n20 A. No.\n21 Q. No. But you didn't ask for a copy of the loan agreement,\n22 right?\n23 A. No.\n24 Q. Okay. And did you receive a copy of the real estate\n25 purchase contract?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 A. No.\n2 Q. That's because Morgan Stanley didn't ask for a copy of the\n3 real estate purchase contract, right?\n4 MR. FERGENSON: Objection, your Honor.\n5 THE COURT: You may answer.\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Just to clarify, Morgan Stanley did not ask for that,\n8 right?\n9 A. Correct.\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Now if we can please go to\n11 what's in evidence MSS125.\n12 And just take a second to look at this.\n13 Q. Do you see the date at the top of this email, January 20,\n14 2021?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. Okay. And do you remember talking to Mr. Fergenson about\n17 this a few minutes ago, before the lunch break?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. Okay. And this is the email that came from fraud\n20 operations asking for the information about the purpose of the\n21 wire, right?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. Okay. And Deirdra Harrell is the one who sends this,\n24 correct? I'm sorry. Withdrawn.\n25 MR. SCHIRICK: Let's, if we could, go to——just for\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 clarity, if you can go to——I'm sorry. Just give me a moment.\n2 Just go to page 11 of this document. Jorge, the Bates\n3 number on the bottom.\n4 Yeah, perfect. Great. Thank you.\n5 Q. And I believe you reviewed this with Mr. Fergenson and the\n6 question that was asked by the compliance was as relevant here,\n7 the purpose of the wire, which is in the box two up from the\n8 bottom on the left. Do you see that?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Okay. And that's the question to which you were\n11 responding, right?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. Okay. And ultimately that——\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: If we can go page 8, please.\n15 Q. And we can see here again in the box that is on the left\n16 labeled \"Purpose of the wire (manually input),\" do you see\n17 that?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. Okay. And what's reflected in the box to the right there\n20 is what you manually input; is that right?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. And it reads, this is a wire to an affiliated business for\n23 real estate investment. Right?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Now that description doesn't have any of the tentative\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 quality to it that Mr. —— or that Alex H's answer had; is that\n2 a fair statement?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. Okay. And ultimately this information is what's forwarded\n5 to the fraud department, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And they make their decision based on this information.\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. The fraud department never receives Alex H's email, right?\n10 A. Correct.\n11 Q. They never receive the tentative sounding email, right?\n12 A. Correct.\n13 Q. Okay. So they didn't have the benefit of that, fair?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Now if we can please go to\n16 MSS113.\n17 Q. And do you recall this document, the January 27, 2021,\n18 email which you discussed with Mr. Fergenson on direct?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. And this relates to a different wire than the set of\n21 documents that we just reviewed, right?\n22 A. I believe so.\n23 Q. Okay. It was a second wire in a series of wires that you\n24 went through on direct, right?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. Okay. And this second wire was authorized based on the\n2 same information that you manually input for the benefit of the\n3 compliance department, right?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. And if we could go to MSS114.\n6 Q. Now again, you reviewed this with Mr. Fergenson on direct,\n7 and this——withdrawn.\n8 Do you recall discussing this document with\n9 Mr. Fergenson on direct?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. February 3, 2021 email chain?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. And this relates to yet another wire, correct?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. And this one too was authorized based on the information\n16 that you manually input, correct?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Which lacked the tentative quality that we agreed upon\n19 earlier, right?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. You agreed with me that Alex H's email had a tentative\n22 quality to it, right; his explanation had a timely quality.\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. And that is not included here, right?\n25 A. No.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Now let's please go to MSS119.\n2 Q. And this is a June 21, 2021 email chain. Do you recall\n3 reviewing this with Mr. Fergenson earlier?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 MR. SCHIRICK: And if we scroll down in the document a\n6 bit.\n7 Right there. If we blow up that bottom page, please,\n8 Jorge, bottom of the page.\n9 Q. And this relates to a $35 million wire transfer request; is\n10 that right?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. And the request is that the wire be sent to Hamilton\n13 Digital Assets FD SP, right?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. Okay. And do you know——withdrawn. I believe you testified\n16 on direct that you don't know what Hamilton is, right?\n17 A. Correct.\n18 Q. Okay. And you don't know what agreements, if any, are in\n19 place between Hamilton and G|CLUBS, right?\n20 A. Correct.\n21 Q. You just don't have that information?\n22 A. Correct.\n23 Q. In a way you could, right?\n24 MR. FERGENSON: Objection, your Honor.\n25 THE COURT: You may answer the question.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Is the question could she have asked? Is that what\n2 you were saying? You wouldn't ask her to speculate, though.\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: No. Could have asked for that\n4 information, right?\n5 THE COURT: Well, that is speculation. Are you saying\n6 was she able to ask? Is that the question?\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: Yes. That's fair, your Honor.\n8 THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.\n9 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n10 Q. Could Morgan Stanley have asked for that?\n11 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n12 THE COURT: I just want to stay away from the \"could\n13 have\" piece.\n14 MR. SCHIRICK: Fair enough.\n15 THE COURT: Did Morgan Stanley have the ability to\n16 ask?\n17 THE WITNESS: Yes.\n18 THE COURT: Go ahead.\n19 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n20 Q. Okay. But Morgan Stanley didn't ask, right?\n21 MR. FERGENSON: Asked and answered, your Honor.\n22 THE COURT: Sustained. Okay. Move on.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. If we can please go to MSS120.\n24 And sort of home in on the bottom of this one as well, please.\n25 Q. And Ms. Berstler, this email relates to yet another request\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 for a wire transfer, right?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. And this one's for 15 million to Hamilton Digital Assets FD\n4 SP, right?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. And again, Morgan Stanley did not ask for the agreement\n7 that was in place between Hamilton and G Club that relates to\n8 this wire, right?\n9 A. Correct.\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Now let's please go to MSS124.\n11 Q. Okay. And this is an August 5, 2021 email chain, correct?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. This email chain relates to a returned wire that you talked\n14 to Mr. Fergenson about a few minutes ago, right?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. Okay. And this is about two weeks or so after the Fiesta\n17 wire for 2.6——withdrawn.\n18 This email is about two weeks after a failed wire\n19 transfer that was initiated by Morgan Stanley; is that right?\n20 A. I don't know if it was failed.\n21 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay. Well, if we just scroll down in\n22 the document a little bit.\n23 And we can blow up there.\n24 Q. Alex H's email, July 29, 2021. Do you see that?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. Importance is high, do you see that?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Okay. And it says, \"Good afternoon, Christina. Attached\n4 you'll find the wire that was returned to us.\" Right?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Okay. So does that refresh your recollection that this was\n7 a failed wire transfer?\n8 A. I——I don't know.\n9 Q. Okay. Well, I believe you testified on direct that at this\n10 point the account was blocked from any third-party\n11 transactions, correct?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. And based on your experience at Morgan Stanley, sometimes\n14 accounts are blocked from third-party transactions by\n15 compliance, right?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. Okay. And this was in August of 2021, right?\n18 A. This was in July.\n19 Q. Fair enough.\n20 If we zoom out and scroll up, you'll see that the top\n21 email is August 5, 2021.\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. Okay. And to the best of your recollection, is this when\n24 the accounts for G|CLUBS first became blocked at Morgan\n25 Stanley?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 A. I don't remember the timing.\n2 Q. Okay. Well, do you recall any blocked wire transfers\n3 before this?\n4 A. I don't remember.\n5 Q. Okay. So you don't remember one way or another?\n6 MR. FERGENSON: Objection. Asked and answered.\n7 THE COURT: Sustained.\n8 Q. Do you believe you would remember had it been blocked\n9 earlier?\n10 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n11 THE COURT: All right. So the speculation and asking\n12 these hypotheticals, please don't do that.\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you, your Honor.\n14 Q. Okay. Now you testified earlier that you had experience\n15 with the bank's compliance department over your 16-year career\n16 at Morgan Stanley, right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. And would you agree with me that Morgan Stanley is, you\n19 know, one of the biggest banks in the world?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Okay. And it has a global reputation?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And to sort of be blunt about it, Morgan Stanley is a big\n24 deal in the banking world, right?\n25 MR. FERGENSON: Objection to relevance.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 THE COURT: I want to know if she has the opinion that\n2 her employer is a big deal. You may answer.\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: In the banking world.\n4 A. Morgan Stanley is a large bank.\n5 Q. Okay. Fair enough.\n6 Has it been your experience that the bank is sensitive\n7 to its reputation?\n8 A. I don't know.\n9 Q. Is it sensitive to risks to its reputation?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's fair enough. And do you have\n12 a general understanding of how the bank reacts when it receives\n13 a subpoena from the government inquiring about a bank customer?\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. Okay. Have you had the experience in your 16-year working\n16 career at Morgan Stanley where a bank customer that you were\n17 involved with, that Morgan Stanley received a subpoena related\n18 to that customer?\n19 MR. FERGENSON: Objection to form.\n20 THE COURT: Are you asking whether in the past she's\n21 aware that a Morgan Stanley customer received a subpoena? Is\n22 that the question?\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: The question is whether she's aware of,\n24 in the past, Morgan Stanley has received a subpoena related to\n25 a customer, a Morgan Stanley customer that she's worked with.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 THE COURT: You may answer.\n2 A. I don't know.\n3 Q. Okay. In your experience with the compliance department,\n4 would it be a red flag for the compliance department to receive\n5 a subpoena about a bank customer?\n6 A. I don't know.\n7 Q. Okay. Do you know whether Morgan Stanley received a\n8 subpoena from the government related to G|CLUBS?\n9 A. No, I don't know.\n10 Q. Okay. Did you ever ask compliance whether that happened?\n11 A. No.\n12 Q. And did they ever tell you whether that happened?\n13 A. No.\n14 Q. Okay. So you don't know whether the bank receiving a\n15 subpoena is——\n16 MR. FERGENSON: Objection, your Honor.\n17 THE COURT: Sustained. You can't ask that question.\n18 Q. All right. So the G|CLUBS funds at Morgan Stanley's\n19 account, those funds belong to G|CLUBS, right? Fair to say?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Okay. And from the bank's point of view, G|CLUBS owns\n22 those funds, right?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. And it can do what it wants with those funds.\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 Q. And G|CLUBS doesn't have to ask Morgan Stanley's position\n2 to use its funds, right?\n3 A. They need to put in a request to withdraw funds.\n4 Q. Sure. But it doesn't have to ask Morgan Stanley for\n5 permission about how to use the funds is the question?\n6 MR. FERGENSON: Asked and answered.\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: I think it's a different——the witness\n8 answered a different question.\n9 THE COURT: You may answer.\n10 A. Can you ask the question again.\n11 Q. Sure. G|CLUBS doesn't have to ask Morgan Stanley for\n12 permission as to how to use its farms, right?\n13 A. Correct.\n14 Q. So when the compliance department asks what the purpose of\n15 a wire is, it's just looking for information, right?\n16 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n17 THE COURT: Overruled. If you know, you may answer.\n18 A. What was the question?\n19 Q. Let's try it this way: Is it your understanding that one\n20 of the purposes of Morgan Stanley's compliance department,\n21 including the fraud department, is to protect customers?\n22 A. It's to protect the client and the firm.\n23 Q. Sure, both. That's right. To protect both, right?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Okay.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 MR. FERGENSON: Objection to commentary.\n2 THE COURT: Overruled. Let's go.\n3 Q. Now as long as——withdrawn.\n4 Based on your experience, as long as the purpose for a\n5 wire was a business purpose, you would have passed that\n6 information along to the fraud department, right?\n7 A. Yeah, I guess so.\n8 Q. Okay. So for example, G|CLUBS could have said that the\n9 purpose——\n10 THE COURT: All right. Here we go with the\n11 hypotheticals again. No hypotheticals.\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: Your Honor, may we have a brief\n13 sidebar.\n14 THE COURT: Yes.\n15 (Continued on next page)\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 (At the sidebar)\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: So your Honor, during direct, the\n3 government was allowed to ask questions about what the witness\n4 would or would not have passed along in terms of the\n5 information she was provided, and the government asked a number\n6 of hypothetical questions about that, and I raised this issue\n7 this morning at 9:00 about the hypothetical questions, and I\n8 think really all the defense is trying to do is be able to ask\n9 hypothetical questions on the other side of this issue.\n10 THE COURT: We know that's what you're trying to do.\n11 MR. FERGENSON: I think just the key point is, if he\n12 wants to ask, if a client gave you false information, would you\n13 take steps to process that wire, that's okay, but I don't know\n14 what the other——\n15 MR. SCHIRICK: That's the question you want to ask,\n16 not the question I want to ask.\n17 THE COURT: It's just that the hypotheticals are\n18 permitted in order to elicit evidence concerning the fraud.\n19 You're not asking about fraud.\n20 MR. SCHIRICK: Well, your Honor——\n21 THE COURT: Your hypothetical does not bear on fraud.\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: Well, your Honor, I think it does. I\n23 think the hypothetical is to suss out whether the witness would\n24 have passed along the information had she been provided with\n25 information, with different information to show that she would\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 have, she would have passed that information along all the\n2 same. She's testified it's not her job to make these\n3 decisions.\n4 THE COURT: Wasn't your question whether she would\n5 pass along information concerning a business purpose use of\n6 funds?\n7 MR. SCHIRICK: Well, well, the original question,\n8 which I think was already asked and answered, was whether if\n9 there was any business purpose, if she would have passed that\n10 along. I think she already answered that question. We can\n11 look at the record. My understanding is——\n12 THE COURT: One moment. Let's go back to business\n13 purpose.\n14 (Record read)\n15 MR. SCHIRICK: So she's already answered the answer to\n16 this question. So I'm just trying to ask questions for\n17 illustrative purposes further to that question.\n18 THE COURT: What is it you wanted to ask?\n19 MR. SCHIRICK: Right. So the witness has agreed that\n20 as long as the purpose was a business purpose, that she would\n21 have passed the information along.\n22 THE COURT: Okay.\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: So the idea is, we should be able to\n24 ask two additional questions about examples of these business\n25 purposes to show that there was no reason for G|CLUBS to\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Cross\n1 conceal what its prior use of that funds was, because it\n2 wouldn't——\n3 THE COURT: So there's no objection after the business\n4 purpose question; am I correct?\n5 THE REPORTER: Yes.\n6 MR. FERGENSON: So that's——\n7 THE COURT: You let that one in.\n8 MR. FERGENSON: Yeah, I let them do that. I don't\n9 think you get to go and speculate about further illustrative\n10 examples. That's just calling for speculation.\n11 THE COURT: What's your example?\n12 MR. SCHIRICK: That they said that they planned to\n13 purchase a high-end sports car for use for members, that that\n14 would have been passed along all the same.\n15 MR. FERGENSON: But they didn't. I mean, that's the\n16 whole point.\n17 THE COURT: So I would have sustained the objection\n18 had one been made and so I don't think two wrongs will make a\n19 right, so I'm not going to permit the question.\n20 MR. SCHIRICK: Okay, your Honor. Thank you.\n21 (Continued on next page)\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Redirect\n1 (In open court)\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you.\n3 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n4 Q. Ms. Berstler, just a couple more questions.\n5 Now Alex H expressed a tentative plan for Fiesta\n6 to——withdrawn.\n7 MR. FERGENSON: Objection.\n8 Q. Alex H expressed——\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Are you objecting to me withdrawing?\n10 No. Okay.\n11 Q. Ms. Berstler, Alex H expressed that Fiesta had a tentative\n12 plan for a possible purchase of real estate. We talked about\n13 that earlier, right?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. Okay. And the tentative element of his explanation didn't\n16 get passed along to fraud operations, right?\n17 A. Correct.\n18 Q. So we have no idea what fraud operations would have said\n19 had that information been passed along, right?\n20 MR. FERGENSON: Objection. Calls for speculation.\n21 THE COURT: Sustained. Don't ask her to speculate.\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: I tried, your Honor.\n23 No further questions, Ms. Berstler.\n24 THE COURT: Redirect.\n25 MR. FERGENSON: Thank you, your Honor.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Redirect\n1 Ms. Loftus, could we please publish MSS112.\n2 REDIRECT EXAMINATION\n3 BY MR. FERGENSON:\n4 Q. Ms. Berstler, you were asked questions about the emails\n5 from Alex H regarding the Fiesta transfers. Do you recall\n6 that?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 MR. FERGENSON: Sorry. Just a moment.\n9 Thank you.\n10 Q. And Ms. Berstler, you were asked questions about this\n11 initial wire request to Fiesta from Alex H. Do you recall that\n12 on cross?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 MR. FERGENSON: And Ms. Loftus, if we can zoom on the\n15 top email.\n16 Q. Now before we turn to this exact email, Ms. Berstler, do\n17 you know why the $10 million request was broken into three\n18 different requests?\n19 A. No.\n20 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection, scope.\n21 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n22 Q. Do you know why the $10 million request was broken into\n23 three different wire transfers?\n24 A. No.\n25 Q. Do you know why Alex H specified that there was a repayment\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - Redirect\n1 plan for this loan?\n2 MR. SCHIRICK: Same objection.\n3 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n4 A. No.\n5 Q. Do you know if this loan was ever actually repaid at all?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Ms. Berstler, does this email say anything about Mileson\n8 Guo?\n9 A. No.\n10 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection. Document speaks for itself.\n11 THE COURT: Overruled. You may answer.\n12 Q. Does it say anything about someone named Qiang Guo?\n13 A. No.\n14 Q. Does it say anything about how Mileson Guo is the settler\n15 of the foundation that owns G|CLUBS?\n16 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n17 THE COURT: Overruled.\n18 Q. Does it say anything about how Mileson Guo is the settler\n19 of the foundation that owns G|CLUBS?\n20 A. No.\n21 Q. Does it say anything about a Ferrari?\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: Objection.\n23 A. No.\n24 THE COURT: Overruled.\n25 A. No.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 Q. Does it say anything about FXXK EVO Ferrari?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. Does it say anything about the Stichting Still We Rise?\n4 A. No.\n5 MR. FERGENSON: Nothing further, your Honor.\n6 THE COURT: Recross.\n7 RECROSS EXAMINATION\n8 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n9 Q. At the risk of asking you further things that we all know\n10 you don't know the answer to, do you know that this loan had a\n11 10-year term?\n12 A. No.\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you. No further questions.\n14 THE COURT: Any re-re?\n15 MR. FERGENSON: No, your Honor.\n16 THE COURT: All righty. You may step out of the\n17 courtroom.\n18 THE WITNESS: Thank you.\n19 THE COURT: Thank you.\n20 (Witness excused)\n21 THE COURT: And the prosecution may call its next\n22 witness.\n23 MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor. The government calls\n24 Jocelyn Reyes.\n25 (Witness sworn)\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 THE COURT: Please be seated.\n2 State your name and spell it.\n3 THE WITNESS: Jocelyn Reyes. J-O-C-E-L-Y-N,\n4 R-E-Y-E-S.\n5 THE COURT: You may inquire.\n6 MS. MURRAY: Thank you, your Honor.\n7 JOCELYN REYES,\n8 called as a witness by the Government,\n9 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:\n10 DIRECT EXAMINATION\n11 BY MS. MURRAY:\n12 Q. Good afternoon, Ms. Reyes.\n13 A. Good afternoon.\n14 Q. Where do you work?\n15 A. The FBI.\n16 Q. What is your position at the FBI?\n17 A. Forensic accountant.\n18 Q. What are your duties and responsibilities as a forensic\n19 accountant at the FBI?\n20 A. As a forensic accountant, I use a combination of\n21 accounting, audit, and investigative skills to analyze\n22 financial information.\n23 Q. How long have you been a forensic accountant at the FBI?\n24 A. For two years and four months.\n25 Q. Besides your testimony today and preparation for that\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 testimony, have you had any involvement in this case?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. When were you first contacted by the government and asked\n4 to testify in this case?\n5 A. Less than a week ago.\n6 Q. In advance of your testimony, were you asked to review\n7 certain government exhibits that were provided to you?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. Were you asked to verify the information in a government\n10 exhibit that summarized those exhibits?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Did you review a government exhibit for accuracy?\n13 A. I did, yes.\n14 Q. Is the information in that government exhibit, the summary\n15 exhibit, based on voluminous records?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. What type or types of exhibits is the summary chart based\n18 on?\n19 A. The exhibits that I reviewed.\n20 Q. Yes. What type of documents were those?\n21 A. A combination of bank statements, signature cards, purchase\n22 agreements, and some emails.\n23 Q. Ms. Reyes, who decided which exhibits you reviewed?\n24 A. The prosecutors and the case agent.\n25 Q. And who decided what information to include in a summary\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 chart that you reviewed for accuracy?\n2 A. The prosecutor and the case agent.\n3 Q. Were you provided the opportunity to note corrections to\n4 the chart to make sure that it was accurate?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Did you provide suggested corrections to the chart?\n7 A. I did provide minor suggestions to some of the charts.\n8 Q. And after the charts were revised, are they all now\n9 accurate?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. And Ms. Reyes, just to be clear, did you review all of the\n12 evidence gathered in this case or just the charts and the\n13 exhibits that those charts are based on?\n14 A. Just the charts and the exhibits that those charts were\n15 based on.\n16 MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if we could please publish\n17 what's in evidence as Government Exhibit Stip 14. This is a\n18 stipulation regarding bank records, and it's in evidence.\n19 Your Honor, pursuant to this stipulation, the\n20 government observes Government Exhibits MSS87, MSS88, FAN1,\n21 FAN2, MET19, and MET27.\n22 THE COURT: No objection?\n23 MR. SCHIRICK: Could we just have a moment, your\n24 Honor.\n25 (Counsel conferring)\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection, your Honor.\n2 THE COURT: They're admitted.\n3 (Government's Exhibits MSS87, MSS88, FAN1, FAN2,\n4 MET19, and MET27 received in evidence)\n5 MS. MURRAY: And Ms. Loftus, if you could now please\n6 publish Government Exhibit Stip 8, which is in evidence. This\n7 is a stipulation regarding documents, and pursuant to this\n8 stipulation, the government offers Government Exhibit BR445.\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection, your Honor.\n10 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n11 (Government's Exhibit BR445 received in evidence)\n12 MS. MURRAY: Thank you, Ms. Loftus.\n13 If we could please show just the witness what's been\n14 marked as Government Exhibit GX Z14.\n15 And we can flip through a few of the pages.\n16 BY MS. MURRAY:\n17 Q. Ms. Reyes, what is Government Exhibit Z14?\n18 A. This is an exhibit of the——a summary of the exhibits that I\n19 reviewed.\n20 Q. And did you review the exhibits that support these summary\n21 charts in preparation for your testimony today?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. Are the charts contained within Government Exhibit Z14\n24 accurate?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, the government offers\n2 Government Exhibit Z14.\n3 MR. SCHIRICK: No objection, your Honor.\n4 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n5 (Government's Exhibit Z14 received in evidence)\n6 MS. MURRAY: Ms. Loftus, if we could please go to the\n7 first page and then publish.\n8 BY MS. MURRAY:\n9 Q. Ms. Reyes, at a high level, what type of information is\n10 shown or contained within Government Exhibit Z14?\n11 A. The exhibits that I reviewed.\n12 Q. And what information, if any, do those exhibits relate to?\n13 A. To the main source documents where I——with this\n14 information, where this information was obtained.\n15 Q. All right. Let's start with this. This is slide 1. Can\n16 you read the title of this slide.\n17 A. G Club Operations LLC — Morgan Stanley Account ending in\n18 8564.\n19 Q. And Ms. Reyes, the x8564, can you explain to the jury what\n20 information that reflects.\n21 A. The 8564 are the last four digits of the account number.\n22 Q. And there's a GX number cited on the right side of this\n23 slide. Do you see that?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. Is that a reference to the underlying government exhibit\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 that contains the information summarized herein?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Ms. Reyes, do you know what G Club Operations LLC is?\n4 A. No.\n5 MS. MURRAY: Let's go the next slide, please.\n6 Q. Ms. Reyes, what's the title of this slide?\n7 A. Account Profile for Morgan Stanley Account ending in 8564.\n8 Q. And that 8564 account, is that the same G Club Operations\n9 LLC account that was referenced on the prior slide?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. Looking at the screenshot on this slide, Ms. Reyes, is this\n12 a screenshot from an underlying bank record that you reviewed\n13 in connection with your testimony?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. For this account, the Morgan Stanley 8564, what entities or\n16 individuals are named as client contacts in the bank records?\n17 A. G Club Operations LLC, Alex Hadjicharalambous, Limarie\n18 Reyes Molinaris, and Haoran He.\n19 Q. And in the bank record, how, if at all, is G Club\n20 Operations LLC described?\n21 A. As the entity.\n22 Q. And how, if at all, is Alex Hadjicharalambous described?\n23 A. As the authorized individual person.\n24 Q. What about Limarie Reyes Molinaris?\n25 A. As the authorized individual person and key controller.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 Q. What's the description for Haoran He?\n2 A. UBO.\n3 Q. Do you know what UBO means, Ms. Reyes?\n4 A. It stands for ultimate beneficial owner.\n5 Q. Looking down the screenshot, there's a section entitled\n6 Account Instruction and then Sort Name. What information is\n7 listed under that field?\n8 A. G Club——ADP & Expenses.\n9 Q. Ms. Reyes, do you understand what the reference to ADP &\n10 Expenses relates to?\n11 A. No.\n12 Q. And then at the bottom of this screenshot there's an\n13 account mailing and plating address. First of all, what is a\n14 plating address?\n15 A. It's an address where documents are——are sent, if needed.\n16 (Continued on next page)\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 BY MS. MURRAY:\n2 Q. And what is the information that is in this bank record for\n3 the Morgan Stanley 8564 account for the mailing and plating\n4 address?\n5 A. It notes G/Club Operations, LLC, Alex Hadjicharalambous,\n6 162 East 64th Street, New York, New York 10065, United States.\n7 Q. Ms. Reyes, had you ever been to 162 East 64th Street?\n8 A. No.\n9 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please, Ms. Loftus.\n10 What is the title of this slide?\n11 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD Santander Bank Account\n12 ending in 6389.\n13 Q. And looking down at the middle of the page, Ms. Reyes,\n14 there's a box. What information is to the right of that box?\n15 A. Balance as of December 28, 2020, 30 pounds and 39 pence.\n16 Q. So GBP, Ms. Reyes, what is that relate to?\n17 What is that reference?\n18 A. That stands for Great British Pounds.\n19 Q. And is it correct from this slide that that is the balance\n20 in the Santander 6389 account?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please.\n23 What information is reflected on this slide,\n24 Ms. Reyes?\n25 A. Company information for Santander bank account ending in\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 6389.\n2 Q. And that's the Fiesta Property Developments Limited account\n3 we just saw in the prior slide?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. The screenshot on this slide, is that a screenshot taken\n6 from the bank records cited on the right of this slide?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. Looking at the information in that screenshot for, company\n9 appointments, what is the name listed?\n10 A. Haoran He.\n11 Q. And over to the right of Haoran He, this is down in the\n12 bottom left, what is the title listed for Haoran He?\n13 A. Director.\n14 Q. Below director, if you go through those three fields, what\n15 is the date that's listed for the appointment of director?\n16 A. August 5, 2019.\n17 Q. And, Ms. Reyes, can you explain to the jury why you read\n18 that as day, month, year?\n19 A. Based on the address, the address notes it's in the United\n20 Kingdom, so they switch the month and the day.\n21 Q. And what is the nationality listed for Haoran He in this\n22 bank record?\n23 A. Chinese.\n24 Q. Looking to the left side of that same portion of the\n25 screenshot, can you please list the address listed for Haoran\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 He?\n2 A. 79 East Works Drive, Cofton Hackett, Birmingham, United\n3 Kingdom B45AGR.\n4 Q. Ms. Reyes, looking higher up on the screenshot under\n5 registered number there is a field for name, what is the name\n6 of the company for this bank record?\n7 A. Fiesta Property Developments, LTD.\n8 Q. Ms. Reyes, do you know what Fiesta Properties Developments\n9 LTD is?\n10 A. No.\n11 Q. Do you know who Haoran He is?\n12 A. No.\n13 Q. Ms. Loftus, we can go to the next slide, please.\n14 Ms. Reyes, what's the title of this slide?\n15 A. Disbursements to Fiesta Property Developments LTD.\n16 Santander bank account ending in 6389.\n17 Q. Looking at the arrow that is depicted on this slide,\n18 Ms. Reyes, what timeframe or time range does the arrow reflects\n19 transactions for?\n20 A. January 21, 2021 through February 4, 2021.\n21 Q. And from what bank account to what bank account?\n22 A. From G/Club Operations LLC Morgan Stanley account ending in\n23 8564 to Fiesta Property Developments LTD Santander bank account\n24 ending in 6389.\n25 Q. Ms. Reyes, what is the total amount of transactions from\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 the G/Club Morgan Stanley account to the Fiesta Santander\n2 account during that time period?\n3 A. 10,026,220.20 or 7,326,000 pounds.\n4 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could go out of this exhibit and please\n5 pull up what's in evidence as Government Exhibit GXGC-544.\n6 Ms. Reyes, can you read the words on the front page of\n7 this exhibit which is GXGC-544?\n8 A. Facility agreement between G/Club Operations LLC and Jovial\n9 Century International Limited and Fiesta Property Developments\n10 LTD.\n11 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we go to the next page, please. You can\n12 zoom in on the top. What is the date of this agreement\n13 Ms. Reyes?\n14 A. January 15, 2021.\n15 Q. Looking at the parties listed here under number one, what\n16 is the company name of the lender?\n17 A. G/Club Operations LLC.\n18 Q. And looking under item three, what is the company name of\n19 the fund receiver?\n20 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD.\n21 Q. Later in that same paragraph what is the address associated\n22 with Fiesta Properties Developments limited?\n23 A. 79 East Works drive, Cofton Hackett, Birmingham B45AGR,\n24 United Kingdom.\n25 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could scroll down a bit, please, and\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 focus on item one under agreed terms.\n2 Ms. Reyes, can you please read item one facility?\n3 A. The lender hereby agrees to lend to the borrower an amount\n4 not exceeding 10 million pounds.\n5 Q. And if we could go to the next page, please, Ms. Loftus.\n6 Item two at the top, Ms. Reyes, can you please read\n7 that, use of funds?\n8 A. The borrower intends to use the loans to increase its\n9 investment into the fund receiver which is a property\n10 development company.\n11 Q. And the fund receiver that's referenced in item two, if we\n12 could go back up, Ms. Loftus, to the prior page.\n13 Looking at parties, item three, which company is\n14 listed as the fund receiver in this contract?\n15 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD.\n16 Q. Let's keep going down, please, Ms. Loftus. If you can\n17 scroll through. We're going to go to the signature page,\n18 please. Starting here, this is page 14 of GXGC-544.\n19 Ms. Reyes, do you see a signature for G/Club\n20 Operations LLC?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. What is the name of the individual who signed this facility\n23 agreement for G/Club?\n24 A. Ziyang Liu.\n25 Q. How is that individual described in this document?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 A. As the manager.\n2 Q. Do you know Ziyang Liu?\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. Ms. Loftus, let's go to the next page, please.\n5 Ms. Reyes, on this signature page there are signatures\n6 on behalf of Jovial Century International Limited and Fiesta\n7 Properties Development Limited. What is the printed name for\n8 the signature for each of those entities?\n9 A. Haoran He.\n10 Q. And how is Haoran He described below the signature for\n11 Jovial Century International Limited?\n12 A. Director.\n13 Q. And how is Haoran He described below the signature for\n14 Fiesta Properties Development Limited?\n15 A. Director.\n16 Q. Ms. Loftus, we can take that down and please go back to\n17 Government Exhibit Z14 at slide six. Actually, let's go back\n18 to slide five for a moment, please.\n19 Ms. Reyes, what is the date range of the transactions\n20 that are summarized on this slide?\n21 A. January 21, 2021 through February 4, 2021.\n22 Q. We can go to the next slide, please.\n23 What information is shown on this slide, Ms. Reyes?\n24 A. This slide shows foreign currency transfers from G/Club\n25 Morgan Stanley account ending in 8564.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 Q. And that's the same Morgan Stanley account that we've been\n2 discussing during your testimony so far, correct?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. Looking at the top screenshot, what time period is this a\n5 screenshot of a client statement?\n6 A. January 1 through January 31, 2021.\n7 Q. And looking right to the information that's within a red\n8 box there, can you explain what information is on that portion\n9 of the screenshot?\n10 A. The active asset account number 552068564-454, next to it\n11 is G/Club Operations LLC, Ziyang Liu.\n12 Q. And that spelling of Ziyang Liu is the same spelling on the\n13 facility agreement we just looked at in GXGC-544, correct?\n14 A. Can I look at the previous exhibit?\n15 Q. Sure. We can pull that up, GXGC-544.\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. Let's go back to GXZ-14, please. Again focusing on the top\n18 screenshot, Ms. Reyes, what information is contained in this\n19 portion of the bank record?\n20 A. This first portion shows foreign currency wires sent on\n21 January 21 in the amount of $1,700,268.20, as well as a second\n22 foreign currency wire transfer dated January 27 in the amount\n23 of $5,942,000.\n24 Q. Ms. Reyes, taking that first transfer, the January 1\n25 transfer, the second column states activity type, can you state\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 what is listed under activity type for that wire?\n2 A. Transfer out of account.\n3 Q. And this is an account statement for the G/Club Morgan\n4 Stanley 8564 account, correct?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Now, in the next column their security or symbol, what is\n7 reflected there?\n8 A. GBP savings deposit.\n9 Q. And in the comments it indicates foreign currency wire\n10 sent. To the right of that is quantity, what quantity is\n11 listed for the GBP for this outgoing wire?\n12 A. 734,000.\n13 Q. Same question for the next wire, Ms. Reyes, the January 27\n14 wire, what quantity in GBP was that outgoing wire from the\n15 G/Club Morgan Stanley account?\n16 A. 3,660,000.\n17 Q. And so on the farthest right column, the dollar amount that\n18 you read previously, based on this bank record, are those\n19 converted total amounts from GBP to U.S. dollars?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Looking now at the bottom screenshot, Ms. Reyes, what time\n22 period does that portion of the client statement cover?\n23 A. February 1 through February 28, 2021.\n24 Q. And that's for the same G/Club Morgan Stanley account\n25 ending in 8564, correct?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. What foreign currency transfer is reflected on this portion\n3 of the bank statement?\n4 A. The foreign currency transfer sent on February 4 in the\n5 amount of $4,900,510.\n6 Q. And again looking for a moment at the quantity of GBP or\n7 Great British Pound, what was the quantity of this outgoing\n8 wire in pounds?\n9 A. 2,932,000.\n10 Q. And, Ms. Reyes, again focusing on the top screenshot, what\n11 was the total amount of those two wires in U.S. dollars?\n12 A. $6,016,710.20.\n13 Q. And the total amount of the wire out on February 4?\n14 A. $4,009,510.\n15 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please, Ms. Loftus.\n16 Looking again at the dollar amount and the GBP\n17 reflected on the right side of this slide, Ms. Reyes, can you\n18 explain to the jury how the information reflected on this slide\n19 was derived from the bank records that we just looked at?\n20 A. Yes. The 10,026,220.20 is the sum of the three wire\n21 transfers that we just looked at as well as the 7,326,000\n22 pounds is the sum of the three wire transfers that we also just\n23 looked at.\n24 Q. And what is the title of this slide, Ms. Reyes?\n25 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD Metro Bank account ending\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 in 7427.\n2 Q. Looking at the bottom of this slide under the second box\n3 with yellow around it, what information is reflected to the\n4 right of that for the Fiesta Metro Bank account ending in 747?\n5 A. Balance as of April 21, 2021, 101,000 pounds.\n6 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please.\n7 Ms. Reyes, what's the title of this slide?\n8 A. Signature card for Metro Bank account ending in 747.\n9 Q. What is a signature card?\n10 A. A signature card is a document listing the authorized\n11 signers of an account.\n12 Q. Focusing on the top screenshot here which indicates\n13 business account mandate. First of all, the account number\n14 listed here, is that the Metro Bank account ending in 7427?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. And individual one here who is listed. First, let's focus\n17 on the very bottom of this screenshot, relationship type.\n18 What box is checked for relationship type for this\n19 individual?\n20 A. Authorize signatory.\n21 Q. And what is the individual's name as reflected in this bank\n22 record?\n23 A. Mr. Haoran He.\n24 Q. And the position in business listed for Haoran He?\n25 A. Director.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 Q. Looking at the second screenshot at the bottom half of this\n2 slide, do you see a printed name on this signature card?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And what name is that?\n5 A. Haoran He.\n6 Q. And is this signature card in fact signed?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please.\n9 What's the title of this slide, Ms. Reyes?\n10 A. Disbursements to Fiesta Property Developments LTD, Metro\n11 Bank account ending in 7427.\n12 Q. Looking at the second green arrow, what information is\n13 reflected there from Santander 6389 to Metro Bank 7427?\n14 A. A 7,176,372 pounds and 62 pence transferred on April 23,\n15 2021.\n16 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please. What's the title of\n17 this slide, Ms. Reyes?\n18 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD flow of funds.\n19 Q. And looking at the left side in the bottom, what\n20 information is contained within those boxes.\n21 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD's Wells Fargo, as well as\n22 Passione Rossa, LLC, Ferrari Beverly Hills.\n23 Q. Ms. Reyes, do you know what Passione Rossa, LLC is?\n24 A. No.\n25 Q. Have you ever been to a Ferrari location in Beverly Hills?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 A. No.\n2 Q. Can we go to the next slide, please.\n3 Looking here now, Ms. Reyes, on the left side at the\n4 bottom, what is shown in the arrow from the Fiesta Wells Fargo\n5 box to the Passione Rossa, LLC box?\n6 A. $500,000 transfer sent on May 26, 2021 between Fiesta\n7 Property Developments LTD to Passione Rossa, LLC.\n8 Q. And let's go to the next slide, please.\n9 Ms. Reyes, in connection with these charts, did you\n10 also review business records that the government provided to\n11 you?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. Did that include an exhibit listed on the right here\n14 GXBR-440?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. Does this slide show screenshots from that Government\n17 Exhibit?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. Focusing on the top screenshot, what is that?\n20 A. It's an email.\n21 Q. What's the date of that email?\n22 A. May 28, 2021.\n23 Q. What's the subject line of the email?\n24 A. ACH inquiry Passione Rossa, LLC.\n25 Q. Ms. Reyes, what does ACH mean?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 A. ACH stands for automated clearing house.\n2 Q. Is that another reference to a wire transfer?\n3 A. It's a type. It's another type of electronic transfer.\n4 Q. Looking at the body of the email, can you just read that\n5 for us starting with I just?\n6 A. I just wanted to reach out regarding our earlier\n7 conversation pertaining to the ACH credit for Passione Rossa.\n8 The only information we are able to obtain is that the funds\n9 came from Wells Fargo in addition to the transaction details\n10 shown below.\n11 Q. And then focusing on the second screenshot, Ms. Reyes, top\n12 left says Passione Rossa, LLC. On the bottom of this portion\n13 there's a date and a debit, can you read what that reflects?\n14 A. May 26, 2021, the debit amount is $500,000.\n15 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please. The arrow here,\n16 Ms. Reyes, from Metro Bank 7427, the Fiesta Property\n17 Developments account to Passione Rossa, what dollar amount and\n18 pounds amount is shown there?\n19 A. $3,500,000 and 2,556,000 and 50 pounds and 54 pence.\n20 Q. And what was the date of that either 3.5 million U.S.\n21 dollar or 2.5 and change million pounds transaction?\n22 A. June 16, 2021.\n23 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please.\n24 What's the title of this slide, Ms. Reyes?\n25 A. Passione Rossa, LLC business records.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 Q. And the screenshot on the top just, I'm going to read and\n2 let me know if I read it correctly.\n3 The letter from Passione Rossa, LLC, Ferrari Beverly\n4 Hills, which is defined as the seller to Stichting\n5 Administratiekantoor Still we Rise Incorporated and registered\n6 in the Netherlands which is described as the purchaser. Did I\n7 read that correctly.\n8 Q. The second screenshot item one, could you please read that?\n9 A. This is to confirm our agreement pursuant to which we agree\n10 to sell you and you agree to purchase our vehicle Ferrari FXX-K\n11 EVO car, chassis number 240860 (the car or FXX-K as described\n12 on schedule C.)\n13 Q. Looking at item two here, is it correct that the agreed\n14 purchase price is listed as 4 million U.S. dollars?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. And then further down there's an indication the agreed\n17 price shall be paid as follows.\n18 Focusing on the first paragraph, the non-refundable\n19 deposit, what is the dollar amount of that deposit for this\n20 purchase of the car?\n21 A. $500,000.\n22 Q. And then the last sentence here, the balance, what is the\n23 balance that will be due on the car?\n24 A. $3,500,000.\n25 Q. And the bottom screenshot, Ms. Reyes, there's a name and a\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 surname, what does that say?\n2 A. Qiang Guo.\n3 Q. Do you know who Qiang Guo is?\n4 A. No.\n5 Q. What date was this signed by Qiang Guo?\n6 A. May 17, 2021.\n7 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please.\n8 Ms. Reyes, what's the title of this slide?\n9 A. Passione Rossa, LLC business records bill of sale.\n10 Q. And looking at this on the top right, what is the text that\n11 we see on the top right of the screenshot here?\n12 A. Official Ferrari dealer, Ferrari Beverly Hills.\n13 Q. At the very bottom screenshot in the middle, what\n14 information is written there?\n15 A. Mattioli Automotive Group.\n16 Q. Looking at this document, it's titled bill of sale, what's\n17 the date of this bill of sale?\n18 A. June 18, 2021.\n19 Q. And the make and model of the item that's reflected in this\n20 bill of sale?\n21 A. Ferrari FXX-K Evo.\n22 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we can zoom in on the ID number. Looking at\n23 the bottom here ID number starting with the 24, what are the\n24 last six numbers listed for the ID number or the Chassis\n25 number?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n1 A. 240860.\n2 Q. Zoom out of that, please. I'm going down to cash price\n3 listed on this bill of sale for this FXX-K Evo?\n4 A. $4 million.\n5 Q. The company listed for the seller?\n6 A. Ferrari of Beverly hills.\n7 Q. And then the company listed for the buyer of this Ferrari?\n8 A. Fiesta Property Developments LTD.\n9 Q. Let's go to the next slide, please.\n10 Ms. Reyes, the title of this slide?\n11 A. Flow of funds G/Club Operations LLC to Passione Rossa, LLC.\n12 Q. Ms. Reyes, does this contain the transactions that we have\n13 just walked through on the prior slides?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. And looking at the bottom for the combined transfer from\n16 Fiesta Property Developments to Passione Rossa, what is the\n17 combined amount that was transferred between the Wells Fargo\n18 and the Metro Bank accounts?\n19 A. $4 million.\n20 Q. And let's go to the last slide, please.\n21 Ms. Reyes, can you read the title of this slide?\n22 A. Passione Rossa, LLC business records, FXX-K, Evo, Chassis\n23 number 240860.\n24 Q. And, Ms. Reyes, the photo that's on this slide, is that a\n25 photo of the car that was discussed in the bill of sale that we\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 just looked at?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. With a purchase price of $4 million?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. Purchased by Fiesta Property Development?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. Is this a photo from a business record that you reviewed\n8 which is cited on this slide?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 MS. MURRAY: May I have a moment, your Honor?\n11 THE COURT: You may.\n12 MS. MURRAY: Nothing further. Thank you.\n13 THE COURT: Cross-examination.\n14 CROSS-EXAMINATION\n15 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n16 Q. Just briefly, Ms. Reyes. I believe you testified on direct\n17 that the government lawyers first asked you to testify here\n18 less than a week ago. Is that right?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. And you didn't know anything about this case before the\n21 prosecutors asked you to get up on the stand and testify today,\n22 right?\n23 A. Correct.\n24 Q. And you weren't part of the FBI's investigative team in\n25 this matter?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 A. No.\n2 Q. And you weren't part of the prosecution team?\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. And you didn't actually investigate any of the money\n5 transfers that you just covered in the Government Exhibit Z-14,\n6 right?\n7 A. Correct.\n8 Q. So really the only things that you know about this case are\n9 what the government has given you or put in front of you,\n10 right?\n11 A. The only thing I know are the exhibits that were presented\n12 and the source documents to those exhibits.\n13 Q. Right. And all of those things were given to you by the\n14 government lawyers?\n15 A. They were given to me by the prosecutors and the case\n16 agent.\n17 Q. So by the government lawyers and the FBI case agent?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. That's accurate?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Now, how many times did you meet with the prosecutors in\n22 the last six days or so?\n23 A. I would say three or four times.\n24 Q. And do you remember who attended those meetings?\n25 A. The prosecutor and the case agent.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 Q. Now, let's turn to the chart, Government Exhibit Z-14, if\n2 we could just have that displayed.\n3 You can see that on your screen?\n4 A. Yes.\n5 Q. And the jury just to confirm. Okay.\n6 Who created the first draft of this chart?\n7 A. The prosecutor and the case agent.\n8 Q. And after that first draft, you and the government lawyers\n9 and the case agent talked about the chart, right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. And I believe you said on direct that you made some\n12 suggested revisions, right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And those were only suggestions, right?\n15 A. What I suggested was to correct a minor typo.\n16 Q. But you understood that you were making suggestions, right?\n17 MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor, asked and\n18 answered.\n19 THE COURT: Sustained.\n20 Q. You understood that the prosecutors ultimately decided what\n21 would go in the exhibit, right?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And how many versions of this chart were created?\n24 A. Five.\n25 Q. And is it fair to say that the government lawyers and the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 case agent mainly created this chart and you offered some\n2 comments to it?\n3 A. No.\n4 Q. That's not the case?\n5 A. No.\n6 Q. You created the chart?\n7 A. I did not.\n8 Q. I'm just trying to understand your testimony.\n9 MS. MURRAY: Objection, your Honor.\n10 THE COURT: Please read back the question.\n11 (Record was read)\n12 THE COURT: You may answer.\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Let's just take a quick look at the chart. Just generally\n15 speaking, this chart is about funds that were used to purchase\n16 a Ferrari, right?\n17 A. This chart?\n18 Q. Is that fair? I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt.\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. That's a fair statement?\n21 MS. MURRAY: Asked and answered.\n22 MR. SCHIRICK: I spoke over the witness. I was just\n23 looking to clarify.\n24 Q. If we can please go to page 13 of this chart. I'm sorry.\n25 I apologize. Let's start with page five. Just to be clear in\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 the flow of funds here that's displayed with a green arrow --\n2 withdrawn.\n3 The flow of funds is displayed here by a green arrow;\n4 is that fair?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Just to be clear, the $10 million, approximate $10 million\n7 USD. number on the top is the equivalent of USD of what is\n8 displayed below in pound sterling, right?\n9 A. According to the statement, yes.\n10 Q. That's right fair enough. According to the bank statements\n11 that's you reviewed?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. So just to be clear, these are not two different transfers\n14 of two different amounts. They're the equivalent, one in U.S.\n15 dollars, one in pound sterling?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. And now if we can please go to -- before we move on in the\n18 chart, if we could just please pull up Government Exhibit\n19 GXGC-544.\n20 Now, this is the facility agreement that you reviewed\n21 just a few moments ago on direct, right?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And let's -- I'm sorry. Withdrawn.\n24 This facility agreement is between G/Club Operations\n25 Jovial Century International Limited and Fiesta Property\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 Developments, right?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. Now, when you reviewed this agreement on direct, did the\n4 government lawyers ask you about what the term of the facility\n5 agreement was if you recall?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. They didn't, right. Let's go on page 17, please.\n8 Now, can you see this page 17 that at the top says\n9 basic amortization schedule?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. You see that. Do you know what an amortization schedule\n12 is?\n13 A. Not exactly.\n14 Q. Is it fair to say in your understanding that an\n15 amortization schedule reflects the repayment schedule?\n16 MS. MURRAY: Objection to the testifying, your Honor.\n17 MR. SCHIRICK: I'm asking if that is a fair --\n18 THE COURT: He's asking a leading question. Go ahead.\n19 Q. Is it fair to say that this reflects the repayment terms of\n20 the loan?\n21 A. I would say yes.\n22 Q. And if you go down about roughly halfway on the left-hand\n23 side there's a line that says amount of loan. Do you see that\n24 it's highlighted there, and if you track that across it says\n25 annually. Do you see that?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And then if you go two lines up from there where it says\n3 origination date, do you understand origination date to be the\n4 date that the loan is started?\n5 A. I would need more information to know that exactly.\n6 Q. But if we go across there you can see that the origination\n7 date is listed as January 1, 2021; is that right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And then if we look at the line just below that where it\n10 says first payment date, right. And if we track that across to\n11 the right, there it says January 1, 2023, right?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 Q. So it's fair to say that the first payment on this loan was\n14 due January 1 of 2023, right?\n15 A. According to what is shown here, yes.\n16 Q. And then if we go up to the second line in the left-hand\n17 column which says initial periods and then (number or pound\n18 sign) and then we track that across to the right and it says\n19 ten. You see that?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. Fair to say that this reflects that this is a ten-year\n22 repayment schedule to the best of your understanding based on\n23 the document?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. We can take that down. So if we can now go back to the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 chart slide 14. I'm sorry, it's 13.\n2 Now, starting at the top, do you know who the owner is\n3 of G/Clubs Operations LLC?\n4 A. No.\n5 Q. Do you know who the owner is of Fiesta Property\n6 Developments LTD?\n7 A. No.\n8 Q. So you don't know if they have the same ownership, right?\n9 A. I would have to reference the source documents and the\n10 exhibits.\n11 Q. Well, did any of those source documents or exhibits tell\n12 you who owns the company?\n13 A. I would have to review them extensively to know that\n14 exactly.\n15 Q. Well, is it fair to say that you reviewed bank records in\n16 this chart?\n17 A. I reviewed the bank records for the bank accounts shown on\n18 this slide.\n19 Q. You didn't review any shareholders agreement as part of\n20 preparing this slide, right?\n21 A. No.\n22 Q. You didn't review any agreements that would reflect the\n23 ownership of the underlying entities, right?\n24 A. I do remember in one of the exhibits it stated one of the\n25 beneficial owners.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 Q. Right. Mr. He, right, H-E?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. But apart from that, you didn't review any underlying\n4 documents that would show who owned G/Clubs Operations LLC or\n5 who owned Fiesta Properties Developments, LTD?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Now, if we now flip to page 14, and you recall being shown\n8 this on direct just a few minutes ago?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. And you can see here that -- withdrawn.\n11 This is the contract for the sale of the Ferrari from\n12 the Ferrari dealership, right?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Do you see that the buyer of the car is listed as Stichting\n15 Administratiekantoor Still We Rise Incorporated?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. For ease of that I will just call that Still We Rise. Is\n18 that okay?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. Do you know who created Still We Rise?\n21 A. No.\n22 Q. And you don't know whether there's common ownership between\n23 Still We Rise and G/Clubs, right?\n24 A. No.\n25 Q. Or whether there's common ownership between Still We Rise\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 and Fiesta Properties Developments, LTD, right?\n2 A. Correct.\n3 Q. And so you don't know if G/Clubs is a subsidiary of Still\n4 We Rise, right?\n5 A. Correct.\n6 Q. And you don't know whether all of the transfers that are\n7 displayed in this GXZ-14 are transfers happening within the\n8 same family of companies, right?\n9 You just don't have that information available to you.\n10 That's all I'm asking you.\n11 A. I don't.\n12 Q. So let's just look. If we could go back to slide 13 at the\n13 timing in this chart for a moment.\n14 Now, if you look at the top, the first transfer from\n15 G/Club Operations to Fiesta, those start in January of 2021,\n16 right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. And that's shown here in the green box at the top?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. And then if we zoom out and go to the bottom.\n21 The transfers, now the purchase of the Ferrari happens\n22 in June of 2021, right, and that's shown with this orange box\n23 down to the yellow box, right?\n24 A. That's when the $3,500,000 was sent from Fiesta Property\n25 Developments to Passione Rossa, LLC Ferrari Beverly Hills.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 Q. And that's the final payment for the Ferrari, right?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 Q. And that's five months after the January 2021 transfer that\n4 we looked at, at the top of the chart, right?\n5 A. About, yes.\n6 Q. Approximately. Fair enough.\n7 So now when it comes to the purchase of the Ferrari,\n8 you didn't review any records about when that car came up for\n9 sale, correct?\n10 A. Not that I recall, no.\n11 Q. And you don't -- you didn't review -- withdrawn.\n12 You don't know when the Still We Rise, the buyer,\n13 became aware that the car was for sale, right?\n14 MS. MURRAY: Objection.\n15 MR. SCHIRICK: I'm asking her if she knows.\n16 MS. MURRAY: You're asking if somebody is aware of\n17 something.\n18 MR. SCHIRICK: I'll rephrase.\n19 THE COURT: Go ahead.\n20 Q. Do you know when Still We Rise the purchaser of the car\n21 became aware when it was for sale?\n22 A. No.\n23 Q. So you don't know if the first communications about this\n24 potential Ferrari sale were in May of 2021, right, just not\n25 information that's available to you?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 A. No.\n2 Q. Now, if we look just one last time at the top of this chart\n3 in the green box on page 13. Is it fair to say that this chart\n4 focuses exclusively on a $10 million approximate transfer that\n5 leaves G/Club Morgan Stanley account, right, ending 8564?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. That's all this chart shows, right?\n8 A. No. It shows the flow of funds between G/Club Operations\n9 Morgan Stanley account 8564 to Fiesta Property Developments\n10 Santander account 6389 and ultimately to Passione Rossa.\n11 Q. Understood. But that starts with that first transfer out of\n12 the G/Clubs Operations Morgan Stanley account?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. That's all I'm asking. So you don't know what other bank\n15 accounts G/Club has, right?\n16 A. The only account I'm aware of is G/Club Operations, LLC\n17 Morgan Stanley account ending in 8564.\n18 Q. So you don't know even if there are other G/Clubs accounts\n19 at Morgan Stanley, correct?\n20 A. Correct.\n21 Q. And you also don't know whether there are other G/Clubs\n22 accounts at other banks, right?\n23 A. Correct.\n24 Q. And you don't know whether there are other G/Club accounts\n25 with other investment firms, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Cross\n1 A. Correct.\n2 Q. Now, if we focus on the box, the orange box at the bottom\n3 left Fiesta Property Developments LTD Wells Fargo, do you see\n4 that?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. And there's a $500,000 transfer for the Ferrari purchase\n7 that's reflected here, right?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. And you don't have records for that account, do you?\n10 A. No.\n11 Q. That wasn't included in what was made available to you,\n12 right?\n13 A. From what I remember, the Wells Fargo account was mentioned\n14 in one of the exhibits within an email.\n15 Q. Right. But my question is, do you have access to the\n16 records of that account?\n17 A. No.\n18 Q. So you don't know where that money came from, right?\n19 A. I know that the $500,000 transfer to Passione Rossa, LLC,\n20 came from Fiesta Properties Developments LTD.\n21 Q. And I'm asking you whether you know where that $500,000\n22 came from before it was in that account, and you don't know\n23 because you don't have access to those records?\n24 A. Correct.\n25 MR. SCHIRICK: No further questions.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes\n1 THE COURT: Redirect?\n2 MS. MURRAY: Thank you, your Honor, just briefly.\n3 REDIRECT EXAMINATION\n4 BY MS. MURRAY:\n5 Q. Ms. Reyes, you were asked some questions on cross\n6 examination about your suggestive corrections to Government\n7 Exhibit Z-14. Do you recall those?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. Were all of the corrections that you pointed out or\n10 identified in fact made to the charts?\n11 A. No.\n12 Q. What suggestions or corrections were not made to the charts\n13 that you had proposed?\n14 A. From what I remember, including specific account numbers or\n15 last digits of account number. Off the top of my head, that's\n16 what I remember.\n17 Q. Were those more stylistic suggestions that you made to the\n18 charts?\n19 A. Yes.\n20 Q. You reviewed the underlying documents that support the\n21 information reflected in the charts, correct?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And the charts are accurate based on the source documents,\n24 correct?\n25 A. Correct.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Recross\n1 Q. All of the information contained within Z-14 is accurate?\n2 A. Correct.\n3 Q. And, Ms. Reyes, your involvement in this investigation or\n4 in this case was limited to your testimony today and your\n5 review of that chart and those exhibits; is that right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And those are exhibits the government provided to you?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 MR. SCHIRICK: Asked and answered.\n10 THE COURT: Overruled.\n11 Q. Ms. Reyes, do you know what the G in G/Clubs stands for?\n12 A. No.\n13 MR. SCHIRICK: Scope.\n14 THE COURT: Overruled.\n15 MS. MURRAY: Nothing further. Thank you.\n16 THE COURT: Recross.\n17 RECROSS EXAMINATION\n18 BY MR. SCHIRICK:\n19 Q. I believe you made stylistic suggested changes to chart,\n20 right?\n21 A. Can you define stylistic changes?\n22 Q. I'm going to ask you to do that because I think that was\n23 the word you used?\n24 A. From what I remember, I discussed with the prosecutor the\n25 idea of adding the last four digits of an account number to one\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 of the charts.\n2 Q. So no substantive changes were suggested, right?\n3 A. They were minor possible changes.\n4 MR. SCHIRICK: Thank you. No further questions.\n5 THE COURT: All righty. Thank you. You may step out\n6 of the courtroom.\n7 (Witness excused)\n8 THE COURT: The prosecution can call its next witness.\n9 MR. HORTON: Government calls Jacob Hinz.\n10 JACOB HINZ,\n11 called as a witness by the Government,\n12 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:\n13 THE COURT: Please state your name and spell it, and\n14 move the microphone close to you so.\n15 THE WITNESS: Jacob, J-A-C-O-B, Hinz, H-I-N-Z.\n16 THE COURT: You may inquire.\n17 DIRECT EXAMINATION\n18 BY MR. HORTON:\n19 Q. Good afternoon, Mr. Hinz.\n20 A. Good afternoon.\n21 Q. Where do you work?\n22 A. For the Federal Bureau of Investigation.\n23 Q. And what's your title at the FBI?\n24 A. I'm a special agent.\n25 Q. And Special Agent Hinz, could I ask you to pull the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 microphone as close as possible to your mouth and point it\n2 right where you're speaking. How long have you been a special\n3 agent with the FBI?\n4 A. Since March of this year.\n5 Q. And what were you doing before you joined the FBI?\n6 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, may we just have a brief\n7 sidebar.\n8 THE COURT: All righty.\n9 (Continued on next page)\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 (At the sidebar)\n2 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I don't believe there's any\n3 relevance to the fact that he served in the army or that he was\n4 a school teacher before that, so I don't think that's in any\n5 way relevant to his testimony.\n6 MR. HORTON: It's a single question, your Honor. He\n7 has only been an agent since March of this year, so I think\n8 it's relevant, particularly he's going to be cross-examine, for\n9 the jury to know what he did before he joined the FBI.\n10 THE COURT: These are basic pedigree questions. It\n11 goes to credibility. The objection is overruled.\n12 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, it's only because he was in\n13 the army and --\n14 THE COURT: When I overrule the objection, Ms. Shroff,\n15 you need to stop.\n16 (Continued on next page)\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 (In open court; jury present)\n2 THE COURT: You may continue.\n3 BY MR. HORTON:\n4 Q. Special Agent Hinz, you said you joined the FBI in March,\n5 what were you doing before you joined the Bureau?\n6 A. Before I became a special agent, I was an NCO in the U.S.\n7 Army Reserves for six years, and before that I was a teacher,\n8 high school teacher.\n9 Q. Generally speaking, what are your -- let me ask you this.\n10 Do you belong to a particular quad with the FBI?\n11 A. Yes, sir, it's called OS4.\n12 Q. What does OS4 do?\n13 A. General conduct background investigations.\n14 Q. Besides your testimony today and your preparation for that\n15 testimony, Agent Hinz, did you have any involvement in this\n16 case?\n17 A. No, sir, none.\n18 Q. In advance of your testimony, Special Agent Hinz, were you\n19 asked to review certain government exhibits and summarize\n20 information in them?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Did you prepare or review for accuracy some summary charts?\n23 A. I reviewed, yes.\n24 Q. Are these charts all based on voluminous records?\n25 A. Yes, sir.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 Q. And what type or types of exhibits are these charts based\n2 on?\n3 A. The majority would be email exchanges and some photographs.\n4 Q. Who decided what information you review and what\n5 information would be included on the charts?\n6 A. I do not know.\n7 Q. Was it you?\n8 A. It was not.\n9 Q. Were you given opportunity to make revisions to the chart\n10 to make sure they were accurate?\n11 A. I was.\n12 Q. Did you make revisions to the charts?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. And after you revised the chart, are they all now accurate?\n15 A. Yes.\n16 Q. Agent Hinz, did you review some of these charts for\n17 accuracy earlier today?\n18 A. I did.\n19 Q. And just to be clear, did you review all of the evidence\n20 that's gathered in this case or just the charts and the\n21 exhibits that those charts are based on?\n22 A. Just the charts and the exhibits related to those charts.\n23 MR. HORTON: Your Honor, at this time I'd like to\n24 offer a stipulation between the parties that's been marked as\n25 Stipulation 15, an online account stipulation.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 THE COURT: No objection, correct?\n2 MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.\n3 THE COURT: It's admitted.\n4 (Government's Exhibit Stipulation 18 received in\n5 evidence)\n6 MR. HORTON: Could we please publish it, Ms. Loftus.\n7 I misspoke. It's been marked as Government Exhibit Stip 1-8,\n8 18, not 15. This document says stipulation regarding online\n9 account.\n10 It says that the parties agree that GXUK-768 contains\n11 a subscriber information for the account\n12 UKistruehome@gmail.com. It says GXUK-1 through GXUK-417 are\n13 emails and their attachments, if any, that were sent or\n14 received by the account UKistruehome@gmail.com on the dates\n15 indicated on the face of the exhibit. GXUK-700 through\n16 GXUK-777 are images and other files that were stored in the\n17 Google drive file storage for the account\n18 UKistruehome@gmail.com. And four says the above listed\n19 exhibits were lawfully obtained by the government.\n20 It concludes, it's further stipulated and agreed that\n21 this stipulation may be received, as well as the exhibits\n22 listed in the stipulation, may be received as government\n23 exhibits at trial subject to objections. It has today's date\n24 on it. Government offers stip 18 for the record.\n25 THE COURT: It is admitted.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 (Government's Exhibit Stip 18 received in evidence)\n2 BY MR. HORTON:\n3 Q. Ms. Loftus, could you please take this down and bring up\n4 what's in evidence as GXBR-1604. If you could please zoom in\n5 to the message at the top of this exhibit.\n6 Agent Hinz, were the documents reviewed only emails or\n7 were there other kinds of documents as well?\n8 A. I believe there was some other types of documents. There\n9 were screenshots of some accounts and like photographs as I\n10 said before.\n11 MR. HORTON: And, your Honor, while the next exhibit\n12 is loading, the government offers with reference to GXStip-18,\n13 GXUK-1 through 417 and GXUK-700 through 777.\n14 THE COURT: No objection, correct?\n15 MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.\n16 THE COURT: It is admitted or they are admitted.\n17 (Government's Exhibits UK-1 through UK-417, UK-700\n18 through UK-777 received in evidence)\n19 BY MR. HORTON:\n20 Q. On the screen is what's in evidence, and can you publish\n21 it, please, what's in evidence as GXBR-1604.\n22 Special Agent Hinz, what is the name and email address\n23 in the from line in this email?\n24 A. It says Mileson and the email is UKistruehome@gmail.com.\n25 Q. What's the subject line?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 A. It just says reply for FXX-K, Evo Chassis 240860.\n2 Q. Can you please read the two sentences below Dear All?\n3 A. Yes. I don't understand this email. We are trying our\n4 best to be patient and move the deal forward ASAP. We've been\n5 waiting to pay the rest of the invoice for weeks.\n6 Q. Thank you. Ms. Loftus, can you please take this down and\n7 replace it with GXUK-768 which is also in evidence.\n8 Special Agent Hinz, these are Google subscriber\n9 records, what does that mean?\n10 A. They are information provided by the company to us about\n11 the sender and receiver of certain documents over the internet.\n12 Q. And what information does the subscriber information relate\n13 to?\n14 A. The contact email, the address is UKistruehome@gmail.com.\n15 Q. And, Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom in on what's below this\n16 under billing, tax shipping legal default at the top.\n17 Agent Hinz, can you please read the name and address\n18 of the subscriber for UKistruehome@gmail.com?\n19 A. Please excuse my pronunciation, but Qiang Guo, apartment 6,\n20 5 Princess, Princess Gate, London, Great Britain.\n21 Q. And, Ms. Loftus, could you please zoom in on the bottom two\n22 sets of names on the part of this subscriber.\n23 Agent Hinz, what are the two names shown here on\n24 subscriber information?\n25 A. Mei Guo and Qiang Guo.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 Q. What address do these two names have?\n2 A. 373 Taconic Road, Greenwich, Connecticut, United States.\n3 Q. Thank you, Ms. Loftus. You can take this down, and please\n4 show the witness what's marked as GXZ-20. If you could flip\n5 through it and then go back to the first page, please.\n6 Agent Hinz, what is this document?\n7 A. It's one of the summaries that I guess looked through the\n8 validity or accuracy of prior to this.\n9 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, I'm sorry. I cannot hear the\n10 witness.\n11 THE COURT: If you'll speak up, please.\n12 A. This is one of the documents provided to me that I verified\n13 the accuracy of the corresponding documents in evidence.\n14 Q. And did you review all of the exhibits that this chart is\n15 based on?\n16 A. Yes, every one.\n17 Q. Is the chart accurate?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 MR. HORTON: Government offers GXZ-20.\n20 THE COURT: No objection, it's admitted.\n21 (Government's Exhibit Z-20 received in evidence)\n22 BY MR. HORTON:\n23 Q. If you can publish, Ms. Loftus. Generally speaking, Agent\n24 Hinz, what does this chart show?\n25 A. Some correspondence. It has passport in it and variety of\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 photographs.\n2 Q. In the selected content, did you select that content, Agent\n3 Hinz?\n4 A. No.\n5 Q. Did you have any choice of what was included or excluded\n6 from it?\n7 A. No.\n8 Q. In that selected content column, are the items in it the\n9 full set of text from a corresponding exhibit or a full image\n10 or just an excerpt?\n11 A. General excerpt.\n12 Q. In the column to the right, Agent Hinz, what is GX refer to\n13 in the items in that column?\n14 A. Exhibits.\n15 Q. Looking at the first row in this chart, what's shown in the\n16 first row here under selected content?\n17 A. It's authorization for Qiang Guo to a person to act on\n18 behalf of the company Genever.\n19 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you could highlight the second line of\n20 what's in the first row here.\n21 It says authorize Qiang Guo. And Agent Hinz, if you\n22 could read what's in parenthesis after that, please?\n23 A. Also known as Mileson Kwok.\n24 Q. What kind of document is shown in the selected content in\n25 the second row in this chart?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 A. The to and from information, it's subscriber information\n2 for an email.\n3 Q. Can you read the subject line, please?\n4 A. From Mileson Guo.\n5 Q. And what kind of document is shown down on the third row on\n6 the first page of the chart?\n7 A. A passport from Cypress.\n8 Q. And is there a name on the passport?\n9 A. There is.\n10 Q. What's the name?\n11 A. Qiang Guo.\n12 Q. Can we go to the page three of this chart GXZ-20,\n13 Ms. Loftus. What kind of document is this, Agent Hinz?\n14 A. Photograph.\n15 Q. And generally speaking, what's depicted in the photograph?\n16 A. Some individuals enjoying a meal.\n17 Q. Do you know who any of them are?\n18 A. I do not.\n19 Q. Can we go to the next slide, please, Ms. Loftus.\n20 And what kind of document is this?\n21 A. Another photograph.\n22 Q. And what does it depict?\n23 A. A gentleman standing on what I believe to be a boat.\n24 Q. These excerpts, do they all come from the UK is True Home\n25 Google account?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 A. I don't know.\n2 Q. Can we go to the last page of this chart, Ms. Loftus.\n3 There are excerpts from how many documents in this row?\n4 A. Two.\n5 Q. On the left side, what kind of document is excerpted there?\n6 A. Some subscriber information, address.\n7 Q. And what kind of document is it?\n8 A. I'm not sure. I believe an email.\n9 Q. What does it say on the registered address under Mr. Qiang\n10 Guo?\n11 A. 373 Taconic Road, Greenwich, Connecticut, United States.\n12 Q. And what's shown on the right side of this row?\n13 A. What appears to be a mobile phone, maybe Google maps is\n14 what it seems to be for some directions.\n15 Q. Is there an address shown on this image?\n16 A. There is.\n17 Q. Can you read that address?\n18 A. 373 Taconic Road.\n19 Q. Ms. Loftus, can you show the witness what's been marked as\n20 GXZ-21, please.\n21 Agent Hinz, what is this document?\n22 A. Another one of the summaries that I examined.\n23 Q. Did you review all the exhibits that are referred to in\n24 this chart?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 Q. Is the chart accurate?\n2 A. Yes.\n3 MR. HORTON: The government offers GXZ-21.\n4 MS. SHROFF: No objection, your Honor.\n5 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n6 (Government's Exhibit Z-21 received in evidence)\n7 BY MR. HORTON:\n8 Q. The left most column to, from, subject and date, what does\n9 that refer to, Agent Hinz?\n10 A. The subscriber information for the emails contained.\n11 Q. And the selected content of GX columns, do they have the\n12 same meanings as on chart we just looked at?\n13 A. They do.\n14 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom in on the first row on this\n15 first page, please.\n16 What is the text in the left most box indicate about\n17 this document, Agent Hinz?\n18 A. That the email is coming from Matteo to UKistrueHome@gmail.\n19 Q. And what's the email domain for the Matteo Gandini address?\n20 A. Matteo.Gandini@Ferrari.com.\n21 Q. Can you read the selected content part of this row.\n22 A. Yes. Dear Mileson, great meeting you and having a chat\n23 together. We have just spoken to Catta about some of your\n24 wishes and we might be lucky. There are potentially 2X, FXX-K\n25 Evo cars available.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 Q. Do you know what an FXX-K Evo car is?\n2 A. I believe it's a Ferrari.\n3 Q. If we can go to the second page of this exhibit, Ms.\n4 Loftus, if you could zoom in.\n5 Agent Hinz, on the left side of this page, what does\n6 that text indicate about this document?\n7 A. The subscriber information for where this photograph came\n8 from.\n9 Q. And what does the sent line indicate?\n10 A. It says FNE, FXX-K Mileson Guo and then a vin number for a\n11 vehicle.\n12 Q. Below that it says sent, what does that line indicate?\n13 A. The time it was sent on the date.\n14 Q. And what date and time was this email sent?\n15 A. 5/12/2021 at 4:03 p.m.\n16 Q. If we could look at the selected content box, Ms. Loftus.\n17 Agent Hinz, what's shown in this box?\n18 A. It's a photograph of a car.\n19 Q. And what's the text say on top of the photograph of the\n20 car?\n21 A. It says FXX-K Evo chassis number 240860.\n22 Q. If we could go to page three of this chart, Ms. Loftus.\n23 I'm sorry, if we could go to page seven.\n24 Looking at the left most column, Agent Hinz, was this\n25 document in the UKistruehome@gmail.com account?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 A. Yes, that was where it was from.\n2 Q. Is there anything in here that indicates that there was an\n3 attachment to this email?\n4 A. Yeah, the pdf that's noted at the bottom.\n5 Q. What's the title of that email?\n6 A. Payment confirmation one.\n7 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom in on the content in selected\n8 content.\n9 At the top it says, please see attached. If you\n10 could -- first of all, Agent Hinz, what is the document that's\n11 shown on the bulk of this page?\n12 A. Seem some kind of account summary.\n13 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom in on the text above debit\n14 advice. What is the name of the bank on this page?\n15 A. Metro Bank.\n16 Q. Is there a date reference on this document?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. What's the date?\n19 A. June 16, 2021.\n20 Q. To the right of that date, what does it say?\n21 A. It says Fiesta Property Developments LTD, 79 East Works\n22 Drive, Cofton Hackett, Birmingham, Great Britain.\n23 Q. Do you know what Fiesta Property Developments is?\n24 A. I do not.\n25 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you could zoom out and go down to where it\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 says payment details.\n2 Agent Hinz. What does it say to the right of payment\n3 details?\n4 A. FXX-K Evo 240860 car investment.\n5 Q. And next to transfer amount, what's the U.S. dollar value?\n6 A. I believe that's 3.5 million.\n7 Q. If you could zoom out, Ms. Loftus. Zoom into the\n8 beneficiary line on this document under debit advice.\n9 Agent Hinz, what does it say next to the beneficiary?\n10 A. Passione Rossa, LLT.\n11 Q. Do you know what Passione Rossa is?\n12 A. I do not.\n13 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up what's in evidence as\n14 GXZ-14 at page 11.\n15 Have you ever seen this document before, Agent Hinz?\n16 A. No.\n17 Q. What does it say at the top of this document?\n18 A. It says flow of funds G/Club Operations LLC to Passione\n19 Rossa, LLC.\n20 Q. And what's the entity listed at the very bottom of the\n21 page?\n22 A. The bottom one is Passione Rossa, LLC, Ferrari Beverly\n23 Hills.\n24 Q. Ms. Loftus, if you could go to the last page of the GXZ-21\n25 chart, please. The row in the middle of this page if you could\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- Direct\n1 zoom into that, Ms. Loftus. The from line says from Santoro\n2 Federica, Federica.Santoro@ferrari.com to Mileson UKistruehome.\n3 Could you read the selected content of this excerpt, Agent\n4 Hinz.\n5 THE COURT: All righty. It is 2:30 now so we're going\n6 to take our half hour break. Remember, members of the jury,\n7 you're not permitted to discuss this case amongst yourselves.\n8 Don't let anyone discuss the case in your presence. Don't\n9 read, watch or listen to anything from any source that touches\n10 on the subject matter of this case.\n11 Sir, you may step out. Don't discuss your testimony.\n12 (Witness temporarily excused)\n13 THE LAW CLERK: Jury exiting.\n14 (Jury not present)\n15 THE COURT: Please step out. Is there anything else\n16 before we return at 3 p.m.?\n17 MR. HORTON: Not from the government.\n18 MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor. Thank you.\n19 THE COURT: Very well.\n20 (Recess)\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 THE COURT: Could we have the jurors brought in.\n2 (Jury present)\n3 THE COURT: You may be seated.\n4 Remember, sir, you're still under oath.\n5 You may continue the inquiry.\n6 MR. HORTON: Thank you, your Honor.\n7 Ms. Loftus, if you could put up page 8 of GX Z21.\n8 Q. Agent Hinz, what's shown in the——\n9 MR. HORTON: Well, actually, Ms. Loftus, if you could\n10 zoom in to this first row, please.\n11 Q. And what's in the From line, on the left side, Agent Hinz?\n12 A. It's from Matteo Gandini, matteo.gandini@ferrari.com.\n13 Q. And who is it sent to?\n14 A. To Mileson Guo, Guo at ukistruehome@gmail.com.\n15 Q. And what's the subject line of this email?\n16 A. It says, FNE - FXX-KEVO 240860 - call with Mileson Guo.\n17 Q. What's depicted, Agent Hinz, in the Selected Content\n18 column. Can you describe for the jury what that is.\n19 A. Yes. A car with Ferrari symbols, silver and black.\n20 MR. HORTON: If we could go down to the second row,\n21 Ms. Loftus.\n22 Q. And Agent Hinz, who is this email sent from and to?\n23 A. This is from Mileson at ukistruehome@gmail.com, and it's to\n24 Matteo Gandini, matteo.gandini@ferrari.com.\n25 Q. And can you read what's at the top of this email in the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 Selected Content column, please.\n2 A. \"Yes and I can't wait to see in my colors.\"\n3 MR. HORTON: Could you go to page 9 of this chart,\n4 Ms. Loftus.\n5 If you can blow up the row so we can see the From and\n6 To, please.\n7 Q. Agent Hinz, who sent this email?\n8 A. It was sent from Mileson, ukistruehome@gmail.com.\n9 Q. And what, if anything, is the name of an attachment to it?\n10 A. The attachment is Mileson Guo 2021 Bell Helmet pdf.\n11 MR. HORTON: Can you blow up the Selected Content row,\n12 please, Ms. Loftus.\n13 Q. So that says, \"I don't need the flags for now but we can\n14 put my initial like the others M.Q.G. I've already done my\n15 helmet and it should be finished around the end of this month.\n16 Please see attached.\"\n17 And what's below that in this email, Agent Hinz?\n18 A. It's a helmet with the inscribed name Mileson on the side\n19 and 30 and FXX KEVO on it.\n20 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, could you pull up side by\n21 side for us, GX UK299 in evidence and Stipulation 2, at page\n22 24, also in evidence.\n23 GX UK299 and Stipulation 2.\n24 Q. While that's loading, Agent Hinz, have you seen GX UK299 on\n25 the right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. At the top of GX UK299, can you read the body of that\n3 email, please.\n4 A. \"Dear Mileson. Here below the link with the video which\n5 you can also download. Thank you and look forward to having\n6 you with us again.\"\n7 Q. And Agent Hinz, if I could just ask you to pull the\n8 microphone closer to your mouth again.\n9 A. Yeah.\n10 Q. And what's at the bottom of the email on GX UK299?\n11 A. It's a link; appears to be a video link.\n12 Q. And what website is that link to?\n13 A. Vimeo.com.\n14 Q. And over on page 24 of GX Stip 2——\n15 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you can pull up——yeah.\n16 Blow up the bottom line, GX W1058.\n17 Q. Do you see the link that's in Stip 2 next to GX W1058,\n18 1058, 1058A, and 1058-V, Agent Hinz?\n19 A. I do.\n20 Q. Are those two urls the same?\n21 A. They are.\n22 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up GX ——oh,\n23 sorry, your Honor. The government offers GX W1058, 1058A, and\n24 1058-V.\n25 THE COURT: No objection?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.\n2 THE COURT: They are admitted.\n3 (Government's Exhibits W1058, W1058A, W1058-V received\n4 in evidence)\n5 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up\n6 GX W1058-V, please.\n7 BY MR. HORTON:\n8 Q. And Agent Hinz, in preparing this summary chart, did you\n9 review the video with that link?\n10 A. I did, yes.\n11 Q. Is that what's shown on your screen?\n12 A. Yes.\n13 MR. HORTON: Can you publish it for the jury, please.\n14 And we can play it with the sound on, please.\n15 (Video played)\n16 MR. HORTON: Thank you, Ms. Loftus.\n17 Can you please pull up what's marked as GX Z25 for the\n18 witness.\n19 BY MR. HORTON:\n20 Q. Agent Hinz, what is this document?\n21 A. It's another one of the summary exhibits that I reviewed\n22 for this.\n23 Q. And did you review all the exhibits that it references?\n24 A. I did.\n25 Q. And is the chart accurate?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 A. Yes.\n2 MR. HORTON: Government offers GX Z25.\n3 MS. SHROFF: No objection, your Honor.\n4 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n5 (Government's Exhibit Z25 received in evidence)\n6 Q. Agent Hinz, what's shown on the first page of this summary\n7 chart; what kinds of things?\n8 A. Variety of photographs of some cars in what appears to be a\n9 hangar.\n10 Q. And are these photographs from the ukistruehome Google\n11 account?\n12 A. I don't know.\n13 MR. HORTON: Can we go to page 2 of the chart,\n14 Ms. Loftus.\n15 Q. Agent Hinz, what is the email address at the top of this\n16 chart?\n17 A. Ukistruehome@gmail.com.\n18 Q. And could you please read the first sentence under \"Good\n19 afternoon\" in this email from ukistruehome.\n20 A. Yes. \"I am attaching Dimitry, who is my mechanic in the\n21 UK.\"\n22 MR. HORTON: On the next page, Ms. Loftus, next page\n23 of this chart.\n24 Q. Agent Hinz, what is written next to the name Dimitri at the\n25 bottom of this document?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 A. A phone number.\n2 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, will you please put up\n3 page 3 of this chart.\n4 Sorry. Could I have you put up page 3 and 4 together.\n5 If you could highlight the phone number next to\n6 Dimitri on the left side. It's on the bottom on the left side.\n7 Q. Agent Hinz, what kind of documents are shown in the\n8 Selected Content row in the document on the right?\n9 A. Looks like messaging exchange of some kind.\n10 Q. And is there a phone number depicted on the messaging\n11 exchange on the right?\n12 A. There is.\n13 Q. Is that phone number the same as the one next to Dimitri on\n14 the left?\n15 A. It is.\n16 Q. Looking over to the right side of that messaging exchange\n17 on the right——\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. ——can you read the message under what looks like a picture\n20 of a dog and a play sign, the message and text under that in\n21 white.\n22 A. \"Yes, that's fine. I will come earlier tomorrow and\n23 uncover 911. VW is not back from dealer yet.\"\n24 Q. Do you know what that refers to, \"VW is not back from\n25 dealer yet\"?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 A. I do not.\n2 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could please put up\n3 pages 5 and 6 of this chart together.\n4 If you could just zoom in around the content on each\n5 one as they both load.\n6 Q. Looking over to the left side, Agent Hinz, what's the title\n7 of this document that's in yellow here?\n8 A. Used Car Purchase Invoice.\n9 Q. And looking down below under Vehicle Details, what kind of\n10 car does it refer to, this purchase invoice?\n11 A. Looks like a Bentley Bentayga.\n12 MR. HORTON: Can you highlight the name and address\n13 lines on both the left and right side documents, Ms. Loftus.\n14 Q. Under Purchase From on the left side, Agent Hinz, on this\n15 car invoice, what is the name next to that?\n16 A. The name says ACA Capital Group Ltd.\n17 Q. And what's the address provided for ACA Capital?\n18 A. Apartment 3, 5 Princess Gate, London.\n19 Q. Looking over on the right side, is the Google subscriber\n20 data for ukistruehome?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. And what's the address associated with the account\n23 ukistruehome?\n24 A. Apartment 6, 5 Princes Gate, London.\n25 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could go to page 7 of\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 GX Z25, please.\n2 Q. Agent Hinz, in the top right corner of this document, it\n3 says Annual Form Invoice Form. What does it say on the top\n4 right corner?\n5 A. It says XX Programmes.\n6 Q. Do you know what that means?\n7 A. I do not.\n8 Q. And under Car Registrations/Details, can you read the three\n9 items that are top to bottom under Car Registrations/Details.\n10 A. Yes, FXX, 599XX, and FXXK.\n11 MR. HORTON: Thank you, Ms. Loftus. If you could blow\n12 up the line under that, under Car Ownership, Name and Address.\n13 Q. So it says Name, Stichting Still We Rise. Could you read\n14 the address associated with Stichting Still We Rise, Agent\n15 Hinz.\n16 A. 1053 Great West Road, Brentford.\n17 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, if you could go to page 8\n18 now of GX Z25.\n19 Q. The first row at the top, is this content from an email,\n20 Agent Hinz?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Which account sent the email?\n23 A. The ukistruehome@gmail.com.\n24 Q. What's the substance excerpted from this email?\n25 A. \"I propose we meet in my 'man cave' in Brentford.\"\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 Q. And under the row under that, is that excerpted from a\n2 document from the ukistruehome gmail account?\n3 A. I believe so, yes.\n4 Q. Under Cirrus Aircraft Order Form SR22T, what's the\n5 purchaser name?\n6 A. Mileson Guo.\n7 Q. And what's the main address?\n8 A. 1053 Great West Road, Brentford, United Kingdom.\n9 MR. HORTON: If you can go to the——if you could zoom\n10 in now on the bottom email on this page, Ms. Loftus.\n11 Q. Who is this email——which account was this sent from, Agent\n12 Hinz?\n13 A. I'm not certain.\n14 Q. If you look at the top, is there an email address?\n15 A. There is. It says Pippa Mack. Contact@KHStaff.com.\n16 Q. If you could read from \"Further to our conversation.\"\n17 A. \"Further to our conversation early and signed contracts\n18 below, I am writing to confirm that Fee Bencheou was offered\n19 and accepted the permanent PA/manager role working for Mileson\n20 Guo/Rising Sun Capital Ltd., based at your offices, 1053 Great\n21 West Road, Brentford, on an agreed salary of——\"\n22 Q. That's okay. You can stop there. Thanks, Agent Hinz.\n23 A. Yup.\n24 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you can go to page 9 of\n25 the same summary chart, GX Z25.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 Q. What kinds of documents are these excerpted from, Agent\n2 Hinz?\n3 A. Emails.\n4 Q. If we look at the bottom row, can you read——so it's an\n5 email from apeter@gonet.ch. Do you know what that means?\n6 A. I do not.\n7 MR. HORTON: I'm sorry, Ms. Loftus. If you can go to\n8 the top of these two rows first.\n9 Q. Same email address sender and it says——why don't you read\n10 what it says from Peter Albert.\n11 A. Sorry. One more time? What would you like me to read?\n12 Q. The email at the bottom from Peter Albert.\n13 A. Yes. \"Just a quick question from compliance . . . Who is\n14 the CEO of Rising Sun Capital Ltd.?\"\n15 Q. And on top of that, response from Mileson, \"Dear Albert:\n16 The CEO is Mr. Haoran He. I hope this is okay.\"\n17 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can we go down to the second\n18 row now, same page.\n19 Q. And can you read Mr. Albert's email here.\n20 A. Yeah. \"And sorry, a follow-up question: Who is the owner\n21 of Rising Sun Capital Ltd.?\"\n22 Q. And the response from Mileson, same email chain, \"The owner\n23 is also Mr. Haoran He.\"\n24 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can we go to page 10 of\n25 GX Z25.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 Q. Agent Hinz, what's the GX number shown here?\n2 A. GX UK717.\n3 Q. And what appears to be depicted in this image?\n4 A. It appears to be a photograph of a debit card.\n5 Q. Is there a bank name on the debit card?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. What is it?\n8 A. Santander.\n9 Q. And above 09/01/28 at the bottom, can you read what's\n10 listed above that, please.\n11 A. Yes, it says \"Mr. H He.\"\n12 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can you please pull up what's\n13 in evidence as GX SW2061. GX SW2061.\n14 Q. Have you seen this document before, Agent Hinz?\n15 A. Yes, I think so.\n16 Q. In the From line it says at the top From Alex\n17 Hadjicharalambous, alexh@gclubs.com. Who is it sent to,\n18 according to this document?\n19 A. Haitham Khaled.\n20 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, can you go to page 2 of\n21 SW2061.\n22 Q. At the top it says——well, can you say what it says at the\n23 top of this document?\n24 A. G|CLUBS.\n25 Q. And under that, it says, \"Miles Guo does not have any\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 decisive control over G Club BVI or its parent Jovial or its\n2 parent Stichting Duurzane.\" Do you see that, Agent Hinz?\n3 A. I do.\n4 MR. HORTON: Now could we go back to the summary\n5 chart, please, GX Z25, at page 12, Ms. Loftus.\n6 Q. What's shown on this page of the summary chart, GX UK746\n7 from the ukistruehome account?\n8 A. It looks like a pamphlet that has some writing on it,\n9 Incorporation of Stichting Duurzame.\n10 Q. And what's the date on the document that says Incorporation\n11 of Stichting Duurzame?\n12 A. August 15, 2019.\n13 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, can you pull up for the\n14 witness the chart GX Z22.\n15 Q. And what kind of document is this, Agent Hinz?\n16 A. It's a chart that describes totals for transactions,\n17 financial transactions.\n18 Q. And did you review all of the GX UK documents that are\n19 referenced on it?\n20 A. I did, every one.\n21 Q. And are the figures on here accurate based on that review?\n22 A. They are.\n23 MR. HORTON: Government offers GX Z22.\n24 THE COURT: No objection?\n25 MS. SHROFF: No, your Honor.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n2 (Government's Exhibit Z22 received in evidence)\n3 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up GX UK12\n4 and 223 alongside the chart, please.\n5 BY MR. HORTON:\n6 Q. And while that's coming up, GX UK12 on the right, GX 223 on\n7 the bottom right, are these two exhibits that you reviewed when\n8 you assessed the accuracy of GX Z22?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 MR. HORTON: Going back to just GX Z22, Ms. Loftus.\n11 Q. What does this chart reflect? Looking at the bottom row,\n12 Rising Sun capital, can you explain what that line represents.\n13 A. It shows funds received by the Rising Sun Capital in 2023\n14 to the total amount of 150,000 Great British pounds.\n15 Q. And the emails you reviewed, where it says funds received\n16 from Rising Sun Capital, which account were those emails sent\n17 to?\n18 A. I don't recall.\n19 MR. HORTON: Okay. Let's pull up GX ZK397.\n20 Q. Is this one of the exhibits that's referenced on the line\n21 for Rising Sun Capital, Agent Hinz?\n22 A. Yes.\n23 Q. And which account was the email sent to?\n24 A. It was sent to ukistruehome@gmail.com.\n25 MR. HORTON: Okay. Ms. Loftus, if you could please\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 pull up GX Z24 for the witness.\n2 Q. Agent Hinz, what kind of document is this?\n3 A. It's another one of the summaries that I verified for this.\n4 Q. Did you review all the exhibits that are cited in it?\n5 A. I did.\n6 Q. Is it accurate?\n7 A. It is.\n8 MR. HORTON: Government offers GX Z24.\n9 MS. SHROFF: No objection.\n10 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n11 (Government's Exhibit Z24 received in evidence)\n12 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could pull up what's\n13 in evidence as GX GC415.\n14 BY MR. HORTON:\n15 Q. Agent Hinz, this is an email. Can you read the first\n16 sentence below \"Hi Limarie.\"\n17 Before you do that, can you say what the From line\n18 says.\n19 A. The from line reads HRR.\n20 Q. And the sentence under——\n21 MS. SHROFF: Actually, it reads HHR.\n22 THE WITNESS: Oh, excuse me. HHR. Thank you.\n23 Q. And if you could just read the sentence that follows \"Hi\n24 Limarie.\"\n25 A. \"We have green light from Mr. Guo bank for the loan.\"\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, if you could show what's\n2 in evidence as GX GC418 at page 3.\n3 Q. What's the title of this document, Agent Hinz?\n4 A. Amendment to Loan Agreement.\n5 Q. And if you could just read the first sentence under\n6 Amendment to Loan Agreement. And you don't have to read what's\n7 in parentheses.\n8 A. Okay. \"This Amendment to Loan Agreement dated as of\n9 January 18, 2022, is made by and between G Club International\n10 Limited, registered in British Virgin Islands, and Qiang Guo.\"\n11 Q. And what was the date that you just read?\n12 A. It was January 18, 2022.\n13 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could go back to\n14 GX Z24 on the first page.\n15 If you could zoom into the middle row here.\n16 Q. What's the date sent on this email, Agent Hinz?\n17 A. Monday, January 24, 2022.\n18 Q. And it was sent from the ukistruehome account to whom?\n19 A. To Albert Peter, A Peter@gonet.ch.\n20 Q. And can you please read the Selected Content from that\n21 email.\n22 A. Yes, sir. \"Dear Albert: Can I please request you to\n23 transfer 3 million CHF to the account attached as soon as\n24 possible?\"\n25 MR. HORTON: And if we could just go briefly to page 2\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 of GX Z24, Ms. Loftus.\n2 Q. Is this from an email in the ukistruehome account?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And the document on the right, what's it titled?\n5 A. Account Statement.\n6 Q. And what does the document appear to be?\n7 A. It appears to be an account statement, a series of\n8 transactions.\n9 MR. HORTON: Ms. Loftus, if you could highlight the\n10 top and bottom line items here, please.\n11 Q. And Agent Hinz, if you could read them, starting with the\n12 Description column and then reading the Credit value.\n13 A. Yes. Bonification from Lamp Capital LLC, and then the\n14 credit was 7 million.\n15 Q. And the one at the bottom.\n16 A. Again, bonification from Lamp Capital LLC, 13 million.\n17 Q. Do you know what Lamp Capital is?\n18 A. I do not.\n19 MR. HORTON: And Ms. Loftus, if you could now show the\n20 witness what's marked as GX Z23.\n21 Q. Agent Hinz, what's this document?\n22 A. It's a summary of the exhibits.\n23 Q. And did you review all the exhibits it references?\n24 A. I did.\n25 Q. Is the chart accurate?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 A. It is.\n2 MR. HORTON: Government offers GX Z23.\n3 MS. SHROFF: No objection.\n4 THE COURT: It is admitted.\n5 (Government's Exhibit Z23 received in evidence)\n6 Q. First, the top row here, Agent Hinz, who does this email\n7 appear to be sent from?\n8 A. It says it's sent from Mileson at ukistruehome@gmail.com.\n9 Q. And what's the date on it?\n10 A. Monday, 5/2/2022.\n11 Q. And the email domain, the three emails it's sent to, what's\n12 their domain?\n13 A. @ferrari.com.\n14 Q. Could you read the top part of the email above the\n15 ellipses.\n16 A. \"Please allow me to thank you all for the amazing two days\n17 that you have allowed me and my friends to discover, learn but\n18 must importantly enjoy with Ferrari. It had been a dream for\n19 me since 2011 when I came with my other friend Antony Liu for a\n20 shakedown to his F1 car. It is truly a realization off a\n21 dream!\"\n22 Q. Below that it says, \"In my culture we say, 'Honour is only\n23 a moment of your heartbeat, but to keep the blood flowing, you\n24 need to work even harder.' So I have already instructed our\n25 Exchange to concentrate on a proposal for Ferrari.\" Do you\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 know what's referred to by \"our Exchange,\" Agent Hinz?\n2 A. I don't.\n3 MR. HORTON: And if you could zoom out, Ms. Loftus,\n4 and zoom in on the image at the bottom here. Sorry, the row at\n5 the bottom.\n6 Q. What email domain sent this email?\n7 A. It's from @ferrari.com.\n8 Q. What's the subject line on this email?\n9 A. Himalaya Exchange-LMH.\n10 Q. What's depicted in the image in the Selected Content row?\n11 A. It's a sports car with Ferrari symbols on it and the words\n12 Himalaya Exchange.\n13 MR. HORTON: Okay. Ms. Loftus, if you could go to the\n14 third page of GX Z23.\n15 I'm sorry. Could you stop at the second page.\n16 And zoom in on the bottom row here. GX UK315.\n17 Q. Who is this email sent from?\n18 A. It comes from Je William, or William Je, @hamilton-ch.com.\n19 Q. Do you know who that is?\n20 A. I do not.\n21 Q. And what's depicted in the——first of all, is there a file\n22 name in the Selected Content from this email?\n23 A. There is.\n24 Q. And what is it?\n25 A. Ferrari underscore share holding chart.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 Q. And the title of this chart is Ultimate Beneficial Owner\n2 (UBO) and Shareholding Structure. The excerpt on the right,\n3 can you please read that, Agent Hinz.\n4 A. \"Note: Mileson is an investor in Hamilton Opportunity Fund\n5 and is also responsible for the Ferrari project for Himalaya\n6 Exchange.\"\n7 MR. HORTON: We could now go to the third page of\n8 GX Z23, Ms. Loftus.\n9 Q. Who is this email from?\n10 A. This is from Je William or williamje@hamilton.ch.com.\n11 Q. And what's the subject line?\n12 A. It's Reply Himalaya Exchange Partnership Next Steps.\n13 Q. And what's the date?\n14 A. It's from 7/13/2022.\n15 Q. If you could show us the Selected Content, Ms. Loftus.\n16 It starts, \"Dear Matteo, Thanks and it was a good\n17 discussion yesterday. Please find below our statement on the\n18 questions raised.\" Do you see that?\n19 A. I do.\n20 Q. Can you read No. 1, please.\n21 A. \"One Himalaya Exchange (HE) is a commercial entity with no\n22 political agenda. HE has never made any announcement on any\n23 political stand especially those related to China;\"\n24 Q. And No. 4 says, \"We noticed that some websites seeking Rule\n25 of Law and financial freedom put HE as one of their supporting\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Direct\n1 organizations. HE wants to emphasize that HE has no\n2 relationship nor any financial dealings with those these\n3 organizations (including the Federal State of China). There is\n4 no official statement from HE suggesting that HE supports any\n5 political believe.\"\n6 Could you read No. 6 please, Agent Hinz.\n7 MS. SHROFF: Is there a question pending after the\n8 reading by the government. There seems to be no questioning.\n9 THE COURT: Is there a question?\n10 MR. HORTON: The document is in evidence, and I was\n11 asking if he'd seen the part that I read and asking him to read\n12 the part that followed.\n13 THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.\n14 A. \"On the sponsorship, the board of directors requires that\n15 the Himalaya Exchange name be there. We believe that this will\n16 be extremely welcomed by the Chinese people. While we could\n17 not control how the media reports, Ferrari should be confident\n18 that this is a pure commercial cooperation and should not\n19 involve in any political considerations;\"\n20 MR. HORTON: You can take this down, Ms. Loftus.\n21 Q. Agent Hinz, what's an email search warrant?\n22 A. It's a search warrant to get the content of emails.\n23 Q. And what does it allow the government to do?\n24 MS. SHROFF: Objection.\n25 THE COURT: I would like a sidebar.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 MR. HORTON: Your Honor, I'll move on and wrap up the\n2 questioning.\n3 THE COURT: Okay. Go ahead.\n4 MR. HORTON: Just one final question.\n5 BY MR. HORTON:\n6 Q. Agent Hinz, other than reviewing the summary charts and the\n7 exhibits that they reference, do you know anything about this\n8 case?\n9 A. I do not.\n10 MR. HORTON: If I could just have one moment, your\n11 Honor.\n12 THE COURT: Yes.\n13 MR. HORTON: Thank you. No further questions.\n14 THE COURT: Cross-examination?\n15 CROSS EXAMINATION\n16 BY MS. SHROFF:\n17 Q. Good afternoon.\n18 A. Good afternoon, ma'am.\n19 Q. I just want to make sure I pronounce your name correctly.\n20 Is it Heinz?\n21 A. It's Hinz, ma'am.\n22 Q. Hinz?\n23 A. Yes, ma'am.\n24 Q. And should I call you Special Agent Hinz? Is that your\n25 title?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. Yes, ma'am.\n2 Q. Okay. So Special Agent Hinz, you testified that you were\n3 an NCO in the U.S. Army. Is that a noncommissioned officer?\n4 A. Yes, ma'am.\n5 Q. And were you in the Reserves?\n6 A. Yes, ma'am.\n7 Q. Okay. And you stated that you've been with the FBI for\n8 five months; did I get that right or wrong?\n9 A. I entered the academy last year in October and graduated in\n10 March of this year and reported to the New York field office in\n11 that same month.\n12 Q. Okay. And do you work in the FBI New York?\n13 A. Yes, ma'am.\n14 Q. Okay. So let me show you what is GX Z25, if I may, okay?\n15 You remember testifying about this document, correct?\n16 A. I do.\n17 Q. Okay. And the first page that you see here, you testified\n18 that these are photographs of some cars, correct?\n19 A. Yes, ma'am.\n20 Q. And if I could just have you see page 2 of this document.\n21 There you go. And Mr. Horton had you read this\n22 document out loud. Remember?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. Okay. And you testified that you believed this to be\n25 accurate because it's based on an exhibit, correct?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. Yes, ma'am.\n2 Q. So the exhibit is GX UK283?\n3 A. Yes, ma'am.\n4 Q. What else is in 283; do you know?\n5 A. I do not recall.\n6 Q. Now the document itself says, \"I am attaching Dimitry, who\n7 is my mechanic in the UK.\" Correct?\n8 A. Yes.\n9 Q. You'll agree with me that you can't possibly attach\n10 Dimitry, right? The email means something else?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. Okay. And he says \"he will make sure the head scan guys is\n13 in contact with you asap.\" Right?\n14 A. Yes.\n15 Q. Okay. And then he says \"let him know as he manages my\n16 racing events too.\" Right?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Do you know what racing events this person is talking\n19 about?\n20 A. I do not.\n21 Q. And going back to the full document, do you know if\n22 GX UK283 said anything more about those racing events?\n23 A. I do not recall.\n24 Q. So when you were reading this for Mr. Horton over here, you\n25 don't know what was left out of GX 283.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. No, ma'am.\n2 Q. Okay. No, ma'am, you don't know, right?\n3 A. No, ma'am, I do not recall.\n4 Q. Okay. You don't have to call me ma'am, but you feel free\n5 to if you want to.\n6 MS. SHROFF: Could I just look at the next page if I\n7 could.\n8 Q. There's a + 44 phone number for Dimitri, right?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Would you agree with me + 44 is the United Kingdom, or do\n11 you think it's some other country?\n12 A. I don't know for sure.\n13 MS. SHROFF: And then if I could just have the next\n14 photograph, or the next page, right?\n15 Q. You testified about this document, right?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. Who is Rav?\n18 A. I don't know.\n19 Q. Did you go back and look at all the documents to see where\n20 else Rav appears?\n21 A. No.\n22 Q. Okay. And it says that \"yes, maybe tonight around the\n23 block,\" right?\n24 A. It does.\n25 Q. Okay. And I'm assuming you have no knowledge of what this\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 person is talking about?\n2 A. No.\n3 Q. And on the right-hand side, who's Martin?\n4 A. I do not know.\n5 Q. Okay. Let's look at two pages after this one, where you\n6 looked at the profile.\n7 Remember this document you testified about, that it's\n8 a Google profile?\n9 A. I do.\n10 Q. Okay. And you see the name over there Qiang Guo?\n11 A. Yes.\n12 Q. It gives a London address, correct?\n13 A. Yes.\n14 Q. Do you know if he actually lived there?\n15 A. I do not know.\n16 Q. Do you know if he had more than one address?\n17 A. I do not.\n18 Q. Is it fair to say as an FBI agent that you would be able to\n19 know that you could have an email address from a certain time\n20 period and the email address would continue with you no matter\n21 where you moved?\n22 A. Could you say that again?\n23 Q. Sure. So if I open an email address in New York and then I\n24 decide to move to Yemen, I could still have the same email\n25 address, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Okay. And if I could just have you look at the next page.\n3 You see this thing that you testified about, this\n4 page?\n5 A. Yes.\n6 Q. Okay. And do you know, are these three different cars on\n7 the left-hand side, Car Registrations/Details?\n8 A. I do not know.\n9 Q. What do this N, N, and N30 stand for?\n10 A. I do not know.\n11 Q. \"The undersigned Haoran He,\" do you see that?\n12 A. I do.\n13 Q. Okay. And it says \"Signature of Owner,\" correct?\n14 A. It does.\n15 Q. Did Mr. Horton ask you to find out where Haoran He lived?\n16 A. No.\n17 Q. Did he ask you to find out if he was in fact the true\n18 owner?\n19 A. No.\n20 Q. Did he ask you to find out if that is in fact his\n21 signature?\n22 A. No.\n23 Q. Okay. May I just have you look at the next page, please.\n24 He had you talk about this aircraft order form,\n25 correct?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And then he also showed you photographs of——\n3 MS. SHROFF: You can take that one down.\n4 Q. And he showed you photographs of people eating food on a\n5 yacht, correct?\n6 A. People eating food somewhere, yes.\n7 Q. Right. And you said that they seemed to be a family\n8 enjoying a dinner, correct?\n9 A. I believe I said they appeared to be individuals enjoying\n10 some food.\n11 Q. And you don't know who those people are, correct?\n12 A. I do not.\n13 Q. And Mr. Horton didn't ask you to know anything about those\n14 people, correct?\n15 A. No.\n16 Q. Now if I could just have you take a look at GX Z20.\n17 Right? He showed you this photograph, right?\n18 A. Yes.\n19 Q. And do you know where that passport was?\n20 A. I do not.\n21 MS. SHROFF: Okay. And if we could just scroll down\n22 on that document, please.\n23 And keep scrolling down.\n24 And down.\n25 And one——there you go. And here. Let's just——no,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 just could I go back to the map, please.\n2 BY MS. SHROFF:\n3 Q. Okay. You testified about this document as well, correct?\n4 A. I did.\n5 Q. Okay. And you testified that you think that the email is\n6 from somebody called questions@dyson.com, correct?\n7 A. I don't believe I said that.\n8 Q. Okay. Is it from dyson.com?\n9 A. That's what it says, ma'am, yes.\n10 Q. Okay. Sitting here today, do you know what Dyson is?\n11 A. I know they're a manufacturer of appliances——vacuums,\n12 cleaners, home appliances.\n13 Q. Okay. And you see the map on the right-hand side?\n14 A. I do.\n15 Q. Right. And the map, Mr. Horton asked you to read 373\n16 Taconic Road, correct?\n17 A. He did.\n18 Q. Okay. But he didn't ask you to read the line below. Could\n19 you read the line below for me.\n20 A. Yes. The destination, ma'am?\n21 Q. Uh-huh.\n22 A. H Mart Hartsdale.\n23 Q. Do you know what H Mart is?\n24 A. I do.\n25 Q. What is it?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. It's a grocery store.\n2 Q. You think the grocery store sells Dyson vacuum cleaners?\n3 A. I——I couldn't say. I don't know.\n4 Q. You don't know, right?\n5 A. I don't know.\n6 Q. Sitting hire today, you don't know if this map has anything\n7 at all to do with this Dyson warranty that is on the left,\n8 right?\n9 A. With the exception of the same address, I don't know.\n10 Q. Well, let's just put those two together, in a more\n11 organized way so I can have them side by side for you, right?\n12 So there is no date match-up to these two documents,\n13 correct?\n14 A. I don't see any.\n15 Q. Okay. In fact, there is not even a year match-up to these\n16 two documents, right?\n17 A. Not that I can see.\n18 Q. Okay. And you don't know if H Mart Hartsdale sells\n19 anything from Dyson, correct?\n20 A. I do not know.\n21 Q. Okay. And let me just ask you this question. On the\n22 left-hand side, is somebody registering a warranty, right?\n23 A. It appears to be, yes.\n24 Q. Right. And it's saying \"your Dyson warranty is now\n25 active,\" correct?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. Okay. And do you know what it takes to activate a\n3 warranty?\n4 A. I do not.\n5 Q. Okay. And sitting here today as an FBI agent, can you tell\n6 the jury if there's any correlation at all between these two\n7 documents?\n8 A. Other than the address, I do not know.\n9 Q. How did they come to be together on the same slide?\n10 A. I do not know.\n11 Q. Well, you testified about these two——this document, right?\n12 This page.\n13 A. Yes, ma'am.\n14 Q. So before you testified, did you ask Mr. Horton, how are\n15 you putting these two things together?\n16 A. No.\n17 Q. Why not?\n18 A. I wasn't asked to ask those questions. I was asked to\n19 verify that this summary matched the documents that they came\n20 from for accuracy.\n21 Q. Well, let's look at where they came from for accuracy,\n22 shall we?\n23 So one comes from GX UK68, right?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. That's the top one, right? So logically that would be the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 document on the left side because it says below that UK68,\n2 correct?\n3 A. Yes, ma'am.\n4 Q. And then the one on the right says GX UK775, right?\n5 A. Yes, ma'am.\n6 Q. That's a lot of numbers in the middle missing, right?\n7 A. Yes.\n8 Q. You're jumping from 68 to 775.\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Did you not ask him what's in the middle? Do these things\n11 have anything to do with each other?\n12 A. No.\n13 MS. SHROFF: Okay. Let's look at the page below.\n14 Same exhibit, just one page down.\n15 Or is it one page up? Sorry. I meant the photo of\n16 the bags and the plane.\n17 There we go.\n18 BY MS. SHROFF:\n19 Q. You see this?\n20 A. I do.\n21 Q. Okay. And one is from GX UK740 and then the next one is\n22 741, right?\n23 A. Yes, ma'am.\n24 Q. Do you know where these photos were used?\n25 A. I do not.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 Q. Do you know if they were any part of an advertisement?\n2 A. I do not.\n3 Q. Do you know if they were any part of a brochure?\n4 A. No, I don't know.\n5 Q. Do you know who took them?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Do you know if they were taken by a professional or a\n8 nonprofessional?\n9 A. No.\n10 MS. SHROFF: Okay. You can take that down.\n11 Let me show you GX UK127, if I may, okay?\n12 Q. What does that mean, \"Here we go\"?\n13 A. I don't know.\n14 Q. So what did Mr. Horton ask you to check for this particular\n15 creation?\n16 A. The entirety of my involvement has been to verify that the\n17 documents presented in the summary match the documents entered\n18 as exhibits, that they were the same.\n19 Q. Which one did this match?\n20 A. I imagine GX UK127.1.\n21 Q. You imagine?\n22 A. I don't know.\n23 Q. You don't know.\n24 A. I don't know.\n25 Q. Okay. Can I show you please, or may I show you GX 299.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 I can move on. You know what, let's go to the video\n2 that was shown to you, GX W1058.\n3 MS. SHROFF: Could you pull up the video.\n4 Q. Do you recall being shown this video during your direct\n5 testimony?\n6 A. I do.\n7 MS. SHROFF: Okay. And if we could just play it and\n8 fast forward a little bit into where the individuals are just\n9 standing.\n10 (Video played)\n11 Q. Do you see these people on the left-hand side?\n12 A. I do.\n13 Q. Okay. The man in the suit that has his hands in his\n14 pocket?\n15 A. I see him.\n16 Q. Okay. Do you know who he is?\n17 A. I do not.\n18 Q. How about the person next to him?\n19 A. On which side, ma'am?\n20 Q. On his right.\n21 A. No.\n22 Q. With the red shoes.\n23 A. I do not.\n24 Q. How about the person behind him?\n25 A. No.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 Q. And then you see the gentleman all the way in the back,\n2 with the suit again?\n3 A. I see him.\n4 Q. Okay. Do you know who they are?\n5 A. I do not.\n6 Q. Do you know what company they're from?\n7 A. I do not.\n8 Q. Do you know if they're from G Club?\n9 A. I don't know.\n10 Q. Do you know somebody named Ian Livingston?\n11 A. No, ma'am.\n12 Q. Do you know, did the government have you look for anybody\n13 with that name?\n14 A. No.\n15 Q. And the government asked you to take a look at this video\n16 and we played it for the jury already, correct?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Okay. And I'm not going to replay the whole thing, but do\n19 you recall seeing two people driving in the car?\n20 A. Yes.\n21 Q. If you don't remember, I'm happy to——I'd rather not play it\n22 again, but I'm happy to do that.\n23 THE COURT: He answered yes.\n24 A. I recall two people, yes.\n25 Q. Okay. And do you know who the second person was?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. I do not.\n2 Q. Do you know if that person was from Ferrari or from any\n3 other company?\n4 A. I do not know.\n5 Q. Do you know if after this video was made anybody approached\n6 Ferrari for a Monaco Grand Prix event?\n7 A. No, I don't know.\n8 Q. Do you know if you reviewed any documents about a Monaco\n9 Grand Prix event?\n10 A. I don't recall.\n11 Q. Do you recall a document regarding the sponsorship of\n12 Formula Two cars?\n13 A. No, ma'am.\n14 Q. Do you recall a proposal being made to Mr. He?\n15 A. No, ma'am.\n16 Q. Do you recall if Mr. He agreed or disagreed with the\n17 proposal?\n18 A. I do not.\n19 Q. Do you know if the——if Mileson here wanted to reach a\n20 three-year contract with Ferrari?\n21 A. Say that one more time?\n22 Q. Do you know if Mileson Guo was attempting to reach a\n23 three-year contract with Ferrari?\n24 MR. HORTON: Objection. It's cumulative and beyond\n25 the scope of direct.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 THE COURT: Sustained.\n2 Q. Do you know if Mileson Guo was a customer of Ferrari for\n3 more than a decade or less?\n4 MR. HORTON: Objection. Same objection, your Honor.\n5 THE COURT: Sustained.\n6 MS. SHROFF: Let's look at GX Z25. Right? And if I\n7 could go to page 4.\n8 No, could you go one page back, please.\n9 Q. Do you see on the top paragraph on the right side, it says,\n10 \"VW is not back from dealer yet\"? Correct?\n11 A. I see that, yes.\n12 Q. Do you know who the dealer was?\n13 A. No.\n14 Q. How about VW?\n15 A. I don't know.\n16 MS. SHROFF: How about we go to page 6.\n17 And one more page down.\n18 Q. I already asked you about this document before, right?\n19 A. Yes, ma'am.\n20 Q. Okay. I'm going to move from there and go to GX Z25.\n21 MS. SHROFF: GX Z25. Take this down.\n22 Q. Do you remember being asked questions about a man cave?\n23 A. I don't believe I was asked questions about a man cave, no.\n24 Q. Do you recall reading the phrase \"man cave,\" \"we will meet\n25 in my 'man cave' in Brentford\"? Do you recall that?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. I do recall.\n2 Q. Do you know what that meant, what the person meant when he\n3 wrote that?\n4 A. No.\n5 Q. Do you know what Brentford is?\n6 A. No.\n7 Q. Do you recall giving testimony about a Cirrus aircraft?\n8 A. I do.\n9 Q. Do you recall there was an email address of a person named\n10 Pippa Mack?\n11 A. I do.\n12 Q. Who's Pippa Mack?\n13 A. I do not know.\n14 MS. SHROFF: Now if I could just go to page 8. Oh,\n15 there you are. And you see——no, just——thank you. Thank you,\n16 Jorge. My bad.\n17 Q. You see that last two lines on the Selected Content\n18 portion?\n19 A. For which Selected Content, ma'am?\n20 Q. The last paragraph on this document.\n21 A. Yes, ma'am.\n22 Q. Okay. And it says that Fee Bencheou was offered and\n23 accepted the permanent PA manager role, right?\n24 A. Yes.\n25 Q. For Mileson Guo, Rising Sun Capital Limited, right?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. Yes.\n2 Q. And an agreed salary about 85,000 pounds, right?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. And this email is sent to Rav and Arethusa?\n5 A. That is the name on it, yes.\n6 Q. Who are these people?\n7 A. I do not know.\n8 Q. You don't know, right?\n9 A. I don't know.\n10 Q. And this document, right, all you can say is that portions\n11 of this document appear in another document that Mr. Horton\n12 showed you?\n13 A. Yes, that is one of the exhibits, yes.\n14 Q. Now let me go to GX SW2061, right? Do you recall\n15 testifying about this email exchange?\n16 A. I do.\n17 Q. Okay. And basically is it fair to say that you don't know\n18 any of these individuals?\n19 A. Yes, that's fair.\n20 Q. Okay. And as an FBI agent, Mr. Horton didn't ask you to\n21 verify any of this information, right?\n22 A. Only in comparison to the full exhibits, documents, to the\n23 chart. That was the only verification I did. Nothing beyond\n24 that.\n25 Q. Okay. But this is not part of the chart, is it?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. No.\n2 Q. Okay. Just a freestanding document.\n3 A. Yes, ma'am.\n4 Q. So Mr. Horton put it up and asked you to read it and you\n5 read it, right?\n6 A. A portion of it, yes.\n7 MS. SHROFF: Okay. And if I could just go to the next\n8 page.\n9 Q. You see he had you read the first line of this page, right?\n10 A. Yes.\n11 Q. What does \"decisive control\" mean to you?\n12 A. I believe I only read the G|CLUBS portion, but decisive\n13 control, I don't know.\n14 Q. Okay. And you don't even know if that is a legal term or a\n15 term of art, correct?\n16 A. No, ma'am.\n17 Q. And can you read for me from \"public figures\" on.\n18 A. \"Public figures like——\" and excuse my pronunciation. ——Hao\n19 Haidong, Ren, Zhiqiang, and Gordon Guthrie Chang, former soccer\n20 player for Sheffield United, retired real estate tycoon, and\n21 Stanford law professor respectively.\"\n22 Would you like me to continue?\n23 Q. Please.\n24 A. \"Spoke out against the CCP and its regime.\"\n25 Q. Uh-huh.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - Cross\n1 A. \"Public figures such as the ones listed have taken upon\n2 themselves via various social media platforms to be more vocal\n3 and raise awareness among the vast following of the injustices\n4 occurring in mainland China against humanity.\"\n5 Q. Okay. And of course you just wanted to——your task was not\n6 to verify any of this, correct?\n7 A. Correct.\n8 Q. Okay. You can take that down.\n9 If I could just have you take a look at GX Z22.\n10 You were asked questions about this, correct, this\n11 chart?\n12 A. I was, yes.\n13 Q. Okay. And I'm assuming you correct me if I'm wrong about\n14 the process, okay? You were given the documents on the\n15 right-hand column, the rightmost column, right?\n16 A. Yes.\n17 Q. And then you were asked to see if the date range column\n18 matched the funds received from and the funds sent to, correct?\n19 A. The date range, the funds received from and to, and then\n20 the total amounts.\n21 (Continued on next page)\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Hinz - Cross\n1 BY MS. SHROFF:\n2 Q. So you see the one that says transfers wise, transfer wise,\n3 wise?\n4 THE COURT: There's more than one.\n5 Q. The fat one in the middle?\n6 A. I do see it.\n7 Q. It has like a whole bunch of documents on the right side,\n8 right?\n9 A. Yes.\n10 Q. Is it fair to say that's 573,100 U.S. dollars, that amount\n11 is based on the information in the column on the right side?\n12 A. Based on a total of the sums within those documents.\n13 Q. So if there was a mistake on the document on the right\n14 side, right, the number 573 would still remain accurate, right?\n15 All you did was make sure the math was accurate?\n16 MR. HORTON: Objection, compound and calls for\n17 speculation.\n18 THE COURT: I'll allow the question.\n19 A. Could you repeat it one more time, ma'am.\n20 Q. All you did is make sure that the math is correct, right?\n21 A. Yes.\n22 Q. Now, you were shown a lot more documents, special agent,\n23 but would it be fair to say that you were selected as a witness\n24 here because you really know nothing about this case, correct?\n25 THE COURT: Sustained. He cannot testify as to why he\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Hinz - Cross\n1 was selected because that would be in the mind of the\n2 prosecutor or prosecution team.\n3 Q. But you told the prosecution team about your understanding\n4 as to why you were called to testify today, right, you recall\n5 that?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 Q. And what is it you understood why you were chosen?\n8 A. To tell the truth of the accuracy of the documents that\n9 corroborated --\n10 Q. Why?\n11 MR. HORTON: Objection, interrupting the witness's\n12 answer.\n13 MS. SHROFF: I did. I move to strike.\n14 Q. My question to you was, do you recall telling Mr. Horton\n15 why it is that you were selected as a witness?\n16 THE COURT: Are you asking him did he ask Mr. Horton?\n17 MS. SHROFF: I'm asking him if he told Mr. Horton his\n18 understanding of why he was selected.\n19 THE COURT: You can answer that question.\n20 A. I don't know their reasoning for it.\n21 Q. That wasn't my question, sir.\n22 Do you recall meeting with Mr. Horton today?\n23 A. Yes.\n24 Q. And do you recall meeting with him yesterday?\n25 A. Yes.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. And during one of those meetings, did you not tell him that\n2 you were selected as a witness because you know nothing about\n3 the case? Do you recall telling him that?\n4 A. Something along those lines, yes.\n5 Q. You told him that, right?\n6 A. Yes.\n7 MS. SHROFF: I have nothing further.\n8 THE COURT: Redirect.\n9 MR. HORTON: Nothing further. Thank you.\n10 THE COURT: Thank you, sir, you may step out of the\n11 courtroom.\n12 (Witness excused)\n13 THE COURT: The prosecution may call its next witness.\n14 MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor. The government calls\n15 Gabriella Luciano.\n16 GABRIELLA LUCIANO,\n17 called as a witness by the Government,\n18 having been duly sworn, testified as follows:\n19 THE COURT: Please state your name and spell it and\n20 speak into the microphone.\n21 THE WITNESS: Gabriella Luciano, G-A-B-R-I-E-L-L-A,\n22 L-U-C-I-A-N-O.\n23 THE COURT: You may inquire.\n24 DIRECT EXAMINATION\n25 BY MS. MURRAY:\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. Good afternoon. Where do you work?\n2 A. I work for the FBI in New York City.\n3 Q. What is your title?\n4 A. I am a special agent.\n5 Q. How long have you been a special agent with the FBI?\n6 A. Since July 7, 2019.\n7 Q. Do you work for a particular squad with the FBI?\n8 A. Yes, ma'am. I work for a white collar squad.\n9 Q. What are your duties and responsibilities as an FBI special\n10 agent?\n11 A. Investigate crime to the best of my ability, not just in my\n12 own violation, but sometimes in others.\n13 Q. Have you participated in the execution of search warrants\n14 during your time at FBI?\n15 A. Yes, ma'am.\n16 Q. What is a search warrant?\n17 A. It's a legal document that provides authorization to look\n18 for and or seize specific items related to the crime.\n19 Q. Special Agent Luciano, I want to direct your attention to\n20 March 15 of 2023. Did you work that day?\n21 A. Yes, ma'am.\n22 Q. At a high level, what did you do that day?\n23 A. I worked as a searcher for a search warrant at a Mahwah\n24 mansion residence.\n25 Q. In what state was that mansion residence located?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. New Jersey.\n2 Q. What did the search warrant permit the FBI to do at that\n3 location, if anything?\n4 A. It gave the FBI authorization to enter the premises and\n5 look for specified items and also a broader spectrum of items\n6 pertaining to the crime.\n7 Q. Special Agent Luciano, were you involved in the\n8 investigation of Miles Guo?\n9 A. No, ma'am.\n10 MS. MURRAY: Your Honor, at this time I offer a\n11 stipulation. This is Government Exhibit Stip-5.\n12 THE COURT: It's admitted.\n13 (Government's Exhibit Stip-5 received in evidence)\n14 MS. MURRAY: Can we publish that please, Ms. Loftus.\n15 This is a stipulation between the parties. It reads that the\n16 parties agree that if called as a witness at trail, special\n17 agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, would\n18 testify as follows:\n19 On March 15, 2023, special agents and other FBI\n20 employees executed a lawful search of 675 Ramapo Valley Road,\n21 Mahwah, New Jersey. During the course of that search, FBI\n22 personnel took photographs of exterior and interior spaces of\n23 675 Ramapo Valley Road, Mahwah, New Jersey. Government Exhibit\n24 NJ-1 through Government Exhibit NJ-357 are fair and accurate\n25 photographs of interior and exterior spaces of 675 Ramapo\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Valley Road Mahwah, New Jersey that were lawfully captured by\n2 an FBI photographer on March 15, 2023. Following the March 15,\n3 2023 search, FBI personnel scanned and photographed items and\n4 documents that were lawfully seized during the search.\n5 Government Exhibit NJ-601 through NJ-839 are fair and accurate\n6 images of documents and items that were lawfully seized by the\n7 FBI on March 15, 2023. And a stipulation indicates that both\n8 the stipulation may be received into evidence.\n9 Your Honor, at this time pursuant to this stipulation,\n10 the government offers the following exhibits: These are all\n11 Government Exhibits NJ numbers. Government Exhibit, NJ-7,\n12 NJ-12, NJ-14, NJ-15, NJ-22 through NJ-26, NJ-32 through NJ-37,\n13 NJ-40 through NJ-42, NJ-44 through NJ-45, NJ-53, NJ-55, NJ-58\n14 through NJ-61, NJ-85, NJ-94, NJ-95 through NJ-106, NJ-111,\n15 NJ-112, NJ-114, NJ-116 through NJ-117, NJ-120, NJ-121, NJ-125,\n16 NJ-127, NJ-135 through NJ-147, NJ-149, NJ-151, NJ-153 through\n17 NJ-157, NJ-160, NJ-172, NJ-175 through NJ-177, NJ-181, NJ-184\n18 through NJ-187, NJ-189, NJ-190, NJ-198 through NJ-199, NJ-201\n19 through NJ-207, NJ-209 through NJ-210, NJ-214 through NJ-215,\n20 NJ-221 through NJ-225, NJ-228, NJ-230, NJ-233, NJ-246, NJ-249\n21 through NJ-250, NJ-254 through NJ-259, NJ-265, NJ-267, NJ-271\n22 through NJ-276, NJ-283 through NJ-286, NJ-289 through NJ-294,\n23 NJ-314, NJ-315, NJ-324, NJ-335, NJ-336, NJ-338, NJ-341 through\n24 NJ-349, NJ-354, NJ-356, NJ-357, NJ-607 through NJ-612, NJ-662,\n25 NJ-669, NJ-745, NJ-798 and NJ-800, NJ-807 and NJ-808.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 THE COURT: They are admitted.\n2 (Government's Exhibits NJ-7, NJ-12, NJ-14, NJ-15,\n3 NJ-22 through NJ-26, NJ-32 through NJ-37, NJ-40 through NJ-42,\n4 NJ-44 through NJ-45, NJ-53, NJ-55, NJ-58 through NJ-61, NJ-85,\n5 NJ-94, NJ-95 through NJ-106, NJ-111, NJ-112, NJ-114, NJ-116\n6 through NJ-117, NJ-120, NJ-121, NJ-125, NJ-127, NJ-135 through\n7 NJ-147, NJ-149, NJ-151, NJ-153 through NJ-157, NJ-160, NJ-172,\n8 NJ-175 through NJ-177, NJ-181, NJ-184 through NJ-187, NJ-189,\n9 NJ-190, NJ-198 through NJ-199, NJ-201 through NJ-207, NJ-209\n10 through NJ-210, NJ-214 through NJ-215, NJ-221 through NJ-225,\n11 NJ-228, NJ-230, NJ-233, NJ-246, NJ-249 through NJ-250, NJ-254\n12 through NJ-259, NJ-265, NJ-267, NJ-271 through NJ-276, NJ-283\n13 through NJ-286, NJ-289 through NJ-294, NJ-314, NJ-315, NJ-324,\n14 NJ-335, NJ-336, NJ-338, NJ-341 through NJ-349, NJ-354, NJ-356,\n15 NJ-357, NJ-607 through NJ-612, NJ-662, NJ-669, NJ-745, NJ-798\n16 and NJ-800, NJ-807 and NJ-808 received in evidence)\n17 BY MS. MURRAY:\n18 Q. Special Agent Luciano, how would you describe the property\n19 that you searched on March 15, 2023?\n20 A. Vast, luxurious, grandiose.\n21 Q. Ms. Loftus, can you please publish what is in evidence as\n22 Government Exhibit 134.\n23 Do you recognize the property that's depicted in\n24 Government Exhibit 134?\n25 A. Yes, ma'am.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. What is it?\n2 A. This is the Mahwah residence.\n3 Q. And is that the residence you searched on March 15, 2023?\n4 A. Yes, ma'am.\n5 Q. We can take that down.\n6 What preparations, if any, did the FBI search team\n7 take in advance of that search?\n8 A. There was a search brief going over the umbrella large\n9 scale plan of how the day would go and to whom we would be\n10 receiving direction from, but a lot of that was covered by the\n11 evidence team and by the investigation team.\n12 Q. And were you on the evidence team that day?\n13 A. I was a searcher. I was not on an evidence team that day.\n14 Q. Were you a member of the investigation team?\n15 A. No, ma'am.\n16 Q. Can you describe what actions you took on March 15, 2023\n17 during the search of the Mahwah property?\n18 A. Sure. I was a searcher, so my plan that I received was to\n19 go through a designated area. Because of the expanse of the\n20 property, it would have been impossible for us to look at every\n21 single room individually myself, so I was given a hallway and I\n22 searched all of the rooms and all of the pieces of that\n23 hallway.\n24 Q. On March 15, 2023, did you walk through areas of the Mahwah\n25 property other than your designated areas?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. Yes, ma'am.\n2 Q. Is it fair to say that you didn't walk through every inch\n3 of that property?\n4 A. Could you repeat that, please.\n5 Q. Is it fair to say that you did not walk through every inch\n6 of that property on that day?\n7 A. That's correct.\n8 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we please put up side by side Government\n9 Exhibit NJ215 and 241.\n10 Special Agent Luciano, can you describe what part of\n11 the residence we're looking at here?\n12 A. This is one of the main doors to the residence.\n13 Q. We can take those down and put up 214, 342. Starting with\n14 the top left, what part of the residence is reflected in this\n15 picture?\n16 A. An entrance to the residence.\n17 Q. And then looking on the top right in the lower picture, are\n18 those other angles in other photos?\n19 A. Yes, ma'am.\n20 Q. We can take those down.\n21 Special Agent Luciano, did you go into the garage of\n22 the property on March 15, 2023?\n23 A. Yes, I did.\n24 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we please put up NJ94, 33 and 34.\n25 What did you see in the garage at the Mahwah residence\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 that day?\n2 A. Several vehicles such as depicted here.\n3 Q. From your observation that day, what types of vehicles, if\n4 any, did you observe in that garage?\n5 A. Luxury high-end vehicles. There was a black Range Rover\n6 SUV which you see in this picture closest to where I was\n7 standing, in addition to multiple high-end motor bikes.\n8 Q. Ms. Loftus, we can take those down and let's pull up 36, 37\n9 and 35, please.\n10 Special Agent Luciano, are these other photos from\n11 that garage?\n12 A. Yes, ma'am.\n13 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could zoom in on the top left photo.\n14 What's shown here?\n15 A. Several bikes.\n16 Q. And did you observe those bikes on March 15, 2023?\n17 A. Yes, ma'am.\n18 Q. We can take that down. We can put up exhibits 111 and 356,\n19 please.\n20 Do you recognize the room depicted in those photos\n21 from your search on March 15, 2023?\n22 A. Yes, ma'am.\n23 Q. Can you describe for the jury where this room was situated\n24 within the house?\n25 A. Sure. It was on a ground floor off of a main entryway that\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 had a large circular table. I believe it was immediately to\n2 the left.\n3 Q. And, Ms. Loftus, on the photo on the right on the wood\n4 paneling, if we could zoom in on what appears to be photographs\n5 that are taped up or tacked up to that wall. Let's take that\n6 down and we can put up 116, 112 and 114.\n7 Starting with this photo on the top left, can you\n8 describe for the jury what view we're looking at in the\n9 residence in this photo?\n10 A. This appears to be a sitting room.\n11 Q. And in the photo on the top right, does that show a\n12 different angle of kind of the archway and hallway into that\n13 sitting room?\n14 A. Yes, ma'am.\n15 Q. And looking at the photo on the bottom, what vantage point\n16 is that relative to the room?\n17 A. It runs parallel down the length of the room.\n18 Q. Ms. Loftus, let's take those down and put up 117 and 121,\n19 please.\n20 By the way, Special Agent Luciano, do you know that\n21 property 675 Ramapo Valley Road goes by any other name?\n22 A. Yes, ma'am.\n23 Q. And what name is that?\n24 A. The Crocker Estate.\n25 Q. Looking at these photos, can you explain for the jury where\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 this room is situated within the residence?\n2 A. Sure. It's on the ground floor, and it was the main area I\n3 would say of the residence. All of the second floor hallways\n4 that I had been in looked into this room.\n5 Q. How big was it?\n6 A. Expansive.\n7 Q. Let's take those down and put up 120 and 125.\n8 Are these other angels of that same room we just\n9 looked at?\n10 A. Yes, ma'am, they are.\n11 Q. Focusing on the photo on the left, can you explain where\n12 the second floor hallway is depicted in that photo?\n13 A. If you look at the chandelier and you look slightly up and\n14 behind it, those are the second floor hallways. In addition\n15 you'll see there's a white archway behind either end of the\n16 rooms, so one is behind the cathedral and one is directly\n17 across from that.\n18 Q. And then in the photo on the right, if we can zoom in on\n19 the back portion, Ms. Loftus, where there appears to be an item\n20 that rises the height of the room. Can you explain what that\n21 was?\n22 A. Sure. I misspoke before. I called it a cathedral, and it\n23 is an organ.\n24 Q. And that was an organ that was on one side of the main\n25 hall; is that correct?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. Yes, it is.\n2 MS. SHROFF: Objection to the leading.\n3 MS. MURRAY: I think Ms. Shroff had an objection.\n4 THE COURT: I did not hear an objection.\n5 MS. SHROFF: It's okay. I was objecting to the\n6 leading.\n7 THE COURT: All right. Don't lead.\n8 MS. MURRAY: Yes, your Honor.\n9 Q. Ms. Loftus, we can take those down and can we put up 127,\n10 please. If we could zoom in on the window portion of this,\n11 please.\n12 Special Agent Luciano, what is this looking toward,\n13 this photo?\n14 A. The outside of the residence.\n15 Q. Let's take that down and put up 103 and 104, please.\n16 What type of room is shown here?\n17 A. This is another sitting room.\n18 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could zoom in on the left photo on kind\n19 of the table and chair area in the center.\n20 Special Agent Luciano, do you see what is against what\n21 appears to be the fireplace in this photo?\n22 A. Yes, ma'am.\n23 Q. The rectangular object?\n24 A. Yes, ma'am.\n25 Q. What does that appear to be?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. Some sort of statute.\n2 Q. And above the statute, we can zoom in directly against the\n3 fireplace, please. Let's try it on the right side.\n4 The fireplace the, full white fireplace on the right\n5 side, what is that item that is up in front of the fireplace?\n6 A. A large screen TV.\n7 Q. Take that down and put up exhibits 314, 315 and 324.\n8 Now, Special agent Luciano, do you see that there's\n9 something hanging from each of the items depicted in these\n10 photos?\n11 A. I do.\n12 Q. What is that?\n13 A. They appear to be tags.\n14 Q. If we could take that out and focus in on the item on the\n15 bottom for a moment. Do you know what type of item this is?\n16 A. I do not.\n17 Q. Let's go to 101 and 102, please.\n18 Now, Special Agent Luciano, in the photo on the left\n19 there's a piece of paper on the wall. Do you see that?\n20 A. Yes, ma'am.\n21 Q. What, if anything, does that represent?\n22 A. That's a room number which helps designate where you find\n23 something. So in this picture we see that we have the\n24 sculpture or a statute of a vehicle, and we can clearly see we\n25 saw this in room Q. Helps us to keep organize.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. And in the process of the search warrant who, if anyone,\n2 designates rooms with different identifiers?\n3 A. That would be the evidence response team and the search\n4 team lead.\n5 Q. Focusing on the object in the center, did you see that on\n6 March 15, 2023?\n7 A. Yes, ma'am.\n8 Q. Ms. Loftus, we could take those down and let's put up 153\n9 and 154, please.\n10 Are these additional photos of that same object,\n11 Special Agent Luciano?\n12 A. Yes, ma'am.\n13 Q. If we could zoom in on the item on the left side. Thank\n14 you. What is it appear to be based on your observations?\n15 A. Sports car.\n16 Q. Let's take that down and pull up 153 alongside 800, please.\n17 Special Agent Luciano, Exhibit NJ800, is that a scan\n18 of one of the items that was recovered during the search of the\n19 Mahwah property?\n20 A. Yes, ma'am.\n21 Q. If we could just have you focus on the English language at\n22 the top. Could you please read that in gray?\n23 A. The course management states that Qiang Guo has\n24 successfully attended the Ferrari challenge.\n25 Q. Do you know who Qiang Guo is?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. No, ma'am.\n2 Q. Looking at the bottom left, what is the date that's listed\n3 on this document for the Ferrari challenge?\n4 A. The 29th through 31st of January in 2015.\n5 Q. And what date was the search warrant executed where this\n6 document was recovered?\n7 A. On March 15, 2023.\n8 Q. Take those down and put up 149 and 151, please.\n9 What type of room is this, Special Agent Luciano?\n10 A. This is another sitting room.\n11 Q. And on the left, the photo on the left looking through the\n12 doorway, if we could zoom in on that, Ms. Loftus.\n13 What, if anything, do we see through the doorway here?\n14 A. You see the sculpture.\n15 Q. Is that the same sculpture we just looked at in the prior\n16 photo?\n17 A. Yes.\n18 Q. Focusing on the item on the right, if we could zoom in on\n19 the fireplace, please.\n20 What type of item is in front of the fireplace in this\n21 room?\n22 A. This is that large TV.\n23 Q. Let's take these down and put up 189 and 190, please.\n24 What type of room did this appear to be?\n25 A. This is a sitting room.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. Focusing on the photo on the left on the couch and the\n2 chair, if you could zoom in on those.\n3 Do you see the white pillows?\n4 A. Yes, ma'am.\n5 Q. Do you recognize the image that is on those white pillows?\n6 A. I do not.\n7 Q. Do you know what G Fashion is?\n8 A. No, ma'am.\n9 Q. Let's take that down and now go to 99 and 100, please.\n10 Special Agent Luciano, there appears to be some equipment in\n11 this room. Do you see that?\n12 A. I do.\n13 Q. What type of equipment does that appear to be?\n14 A. It appears to be lighting equipment.\n15 Q. Let's take this down and put up 155 and 156, please.\n16 Are these additional photos of the same room, Special\n17 Agent Luciano, that we just looked at?\n18 A. Yes, ma'am.\n19 Q. And now, Ms. Loftus, if we could please pull up on the left\n20 side alongside 156, exhibit 662, and if we could go to page\n21 five.\n22 And Special Agent Luciano, this is another scan of an\n23 item that was recovered from the residence pursuant to the\n24 stipulation between the parties. Looking at page five here,\n25 can you please compare the image on page five of the scanned\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 document with the photo in 662 or in 156?\n2 A. They look to be very similar if not the same.\n3 Q. And, Ms. Loftus, can we zoom in on the text on the left\n4 side of 662. Can you read in the bold text the scripter?\n5 A. A monumental Ormolu mounted mahogany bookcase.\n6 Q. And look at the prices, what appears to be pounds, dollars\n7 and euros, could you read those ranges, please?\n8 A. In dollars it's 19,000 to 31,000.\n9 Q. Ms. Loftus, let's put up 144 and 145.\n10 What type of room was this?\n11 A. This appears to be a dining room.\n12 Q. Let's put up now Exhibits 135, 136, 137 and 138.\n13 What room was this?\n14 A. This is one of the kitchens at the residence.\n15 Q. And looking at the windows taking the top right as an\n16 example, what view, if any, are we looking at through those\n17 windows?\n18 A. It appears to be a view onto the grounds.\n19 Q. Ms. Loftus, can we pull up 140 and 141, please.\n20 By the way, what level was that kitchen on that we\n21 just looked at?\n22 A. I would think that it's on the first floor.\n23 MS. SHROFF: Objection.\n24 A. But I would want to see a full walk-through because there\n25 were so many kitchens.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 THE COURT: Don't guess. If you don't know, just say\n2 you don't mow.\n3 Q. And looking at these exhibits, what room within the\n4 residence is depicted in these?\n5 A. This is another kitchen.\n6 Q. And then we can take those down and put up 142 and 143.\n7 Do you see the structure for lack of a better term\n8 that's in the photo on the left side?\n9 A. Yes, ma'am.\n10 Q. What is that?\n11 A. That's a staircase down to one of the lower floors.\n12 Q. And leading from where to the lower from? Leading from\n13 what room down to the lower floor?\n14 A. One of the kitchens to lower floor.\n15 Q. And let's take that down and put up 85 and 7, please.\n16 Do you recognize what's depicted on the left side\n17 here?\n18 A. This is one of the lower floor hallways.\n19 Q. And, Ms. Loftus, on the right side photo, if we could zoom\n20 in on the black rectangular items that are on the wall.\n21 What does that appear to be an image of?\n22 A. Artwork of a monkey.\n23 Q. We can take that down. And let's go to 14 and 15, please.\n24 Looking first at the left, can you describe what, if anything,\n25 is shown in this photo?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. We have four pop art sculptures and more art of a monkey.\n2 Q. And the photo on the right, if we can zoom in on the\n3 picture on the wall, Ms. Loftus.\n4 What is shown there?\n5 A. Artwork of a monkey.\n6 Q. Let's zoom out of that for a moment and leave these up.\n7 What type of equipment, if any, do you see on the photo in the\n8 right?\n9 A. Gym equipment.\n10 Q. And let's go to 22, 23, 24 and 25, please.\n11 What part of the house was this located in?\n12 A. This is on the lower level of the residence.\n13 Q. And what type of rooms were these?\n14 A. They would be comparable to a spa. You have a washing off\n15 room and the enlit pool.\n16 Q. Did you walk through this portion of the house?\n17 A. Yes, ma'am.\n18 Q. On the top left photo if we could focus on the mat,\n19 Ms. Loftus. What is next to the mat in this photo?\n20 A. A pair of shoes.\n21 Q. Take that down and put up 26 and 32, please.\n22 What part of the house were these rooms in?\n23 A. These were also on the lower floor of the house.\n24 Q. Where were they in proximity to photos we just saw of the\n25 pool for lack of a better word?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. They were nearby.\n2 Q. Let's go now to 97 and 98, please.\n3 The photo on the right is a bit clearer, what part of\n4 the house are we looking at on the photo of the right?\n5 A. This was a landing between several of the floors.\n6 Q. And we can take this down and go to 210, please.\n7 What type of room was this?\n8 A. This was a sitting room.\n9 Q. Take that down and go to 198 and 201, please. What type of\n10 room was this?\n11 A. This was a bedroom.\n12 Q. Did you go into this room on March 15, 2023?\n13 A. Yes, ma'am.\n14 Q. Looking above the fireplace, what, if anything, is hung on\n15 the wall, the mantel?\n16 A. A TV.\n17 Q. Let's zoom out of that. Special Agent Luciano, looking at\n18 the photo on the right, do you see a piece of furniture under a\n19 mirror?\n20 A. Yes, ma'am.\n21 Q. What, if anything, did you do on March 15, 2023, relative\n22 to that piece of furniture?\n23 A. I was the one who searched it.\n24 Q. Was the FBI authorized under the search warrant to search\n25 closed draws, locked containers and items?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 MS. SHROFF: Objection, your Honor.\n2 THE COURT: You may answer if you know.\n3 A. We had the authority to do so.\n4 Q. Can you describe for the jury how you searched this\n5 dresser?\n6 A. Sure. We opened the drawers and then we went through the\n7 items that were in there.\n8 Q. What, if anything, did you find in this dresser?\n9 A. I found a leather case containing a card of sorts.\n10 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could take those down and pull up\n11 exhibits 249 and 250.\n12 Do you recognize what's depicted in those photos,\n13 Special Agent Luciano?\n14 A. Yes, ma'am, I do.\n15 Q. What is it?\n16 A. This is the leather case that I found containing the card,\n17 and you can see my name on the item sheet.\n18 Q. So focusing first in the image on the left, and if we could\n19 zoom in, Ms. Loftus.\n20 What type of material was that case made out of on the\n21 left?\n22 A. A pebbled leather.\n23 Q. And what, if anything, did it say on that item?\n24 A. It reads Stefano Ricci club.\n25 Q. And zoom out of that and room on the right side, please,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 the right photo. What type of view of the box on the left are\n2 we looking at here?\n3 A. These are the contents of that leather case.\n4 Q. And looking at the piece of paper, what, if anything, does\n5 it say for description of item?\n6 A. black Stefano Ricci membership package monogram.\n7 Q. To be clear, who, if anyone, fills out that information on\n8 this type of item sheet?\n9 A. I wrote that because I found the item.\n10 Q. And on collected by, whose name is that?\n11 A. My name.\n12 Q. Now, looking at the item itself, what are we looking at to\n13 the left of the white piece of paper. It's a card sized item?\n14 A. That was the membership card.\n15 Q. What color is that? That's a black with a gold circle?\n16 A. Yes, ma'am.\n17 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could just zoom in on that portion. So\n18 this is the left half of the zoom that we're in presently.\n19 Did you pick up or feel the card that day, Special\n20 Agent Luciano?\n21 A. I did.\n22 Q. Can you describe for the jury what it felt like?\n23 A. It was a metallic card. It was heavier than a regular\n24 plastic credit card.\n25 Q. What does it read here on the bottom portion?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. Ho Wan Kwok.\n2 Q. And the printed words above Ho Wan Kwok?\n3 A. This welcome booklet belongs to.\n4 Q. Do you know who Ho Wan Kwok is?\n5 A. No, ma'am.\n6 Q. We can take that down and go to 199, please.\n7 What are we looking at here? What direction are we\n8 looking?\n9 A. This is the bedroom in which that membership case was just\n10 found, and you'll see that the door on the left opens into a\n11 bathroom and the doorways on the right feed into a series of\n12 three rooms. The first of which was a closet. The second of\n13 which was a large room being used as a closet for linens, and\n14 the third of which is the door that you can see which is closed\n15 was another closet.\n16 Q. So let's go to 202 and 203, please.\n17 Now, this room, where is this room relative to the\n18 view that we were just looking at in 199?\n19 A. This is the first in that series of rooms through the first\n20 set of doorframes.\n21 Q. Looking at the photo on the right, can you explain what\n22 room we're looking into on the right side through the doorway\n23 here?\n24 A. The room through that doorway is another large room being\n25 used as a closet.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. And if we could just zoom in on the clothes that are\n2 hanging in the photo on the right for a moment, Ms. Loftus. We\n3 can take that down and let's go to 204 and 205, please.\n4 Special Agent Luciano, which room is this?\n5 A. This is the middle of the series of rooms. It's the large\n6 room being used as a closet.\n7 Q. Let's go to 283 and 284, please. Are these additional\n8 views of that room?\n9 A. Yes, ma'am.\n10 Q. Ms. Loftus on, the photo on the right, can we please zoom\n11 in on the entirety of the hanging rack that's against the back\n12 wall.\n13 Special Agent Luciano, what is hanging from that rack,\n14 what appears to be hanging from that rack?\n15 A. Clothing.\n16 Q. Do you know whether any clothing was seized on March 15,\n17 2023?\n18 A. I do.\n19 Q. Ms. Loftus, can you pull up alongside this 284 exhibit 221.\n20 Special Agent Luciano, what does this show on the left side\n21 here?\n22 A. This is a tag on a suit.\n23 Q. Is that a suit that was seized on March 15, 2023, from the\n24 Mahwah residence?\n25 A. Yes, ma'am.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. Can you read what that tag says?\n2 A. Brioni for Miles Kwok.\n3 Q. Let's take that down and put up 185 and 186, please. What\n4 type of room was this?\n5 A. This was a bedroom.\n6 Q. And let's put up 187 now, please. Zooming in on the mat\n7 next to the bed. What, if anything, is on that mat?\n8 A. Slippers.\n9 Q. Let's go to 181, please.\n10 What type of room was this?\n11 A. This is a bathroom.\n12 Q. And on the bottom left of this photo what, if anything, are\n13 we looking at there?\n14 A. The towels.\n15 Q. Yes?\n16 A. Towels.\n17 Q. Did you observe towels during your search on March 15,\n18 2023?\n19 A. Yes, ma'am.\n20 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could pull up alongside exhibit 228,\n21 please. Are these some of the towels that you observed during\n22 your search on March 15,023?\n23 A. Yes, ma'am.\n24 Q. What type were they?\n25 A. Versace.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. Let's go now to 174 and 177. What type of room is this,\n2 Special Agent Luciano?\n3 A. This is a bedroom.\n4 Q. Do you see a pattern on the edge of the mattress in this\n5 bedroom?\n6 A. I do.\n7 Q. How would you describe that pattern?\n8 A. It looks to be checked similar to plaid or Buffalo.\n9 Q. And now let's go to 224 and 254, please.\n10 What are we looking at on the left here?\n11 A. This is a safe.\n12 Q. Where was that safe located?\n13 A. In third of the closets in that series of rooms that we had\n14 looked at previously with the closed door.\n15 Q. Did there come a time on March 15, 2023, when the FBI\n16 accessed the contents of this safe?\n17 A. Yes, ma'am.\n18 Q. What, if anything, was your role when accessing the\n19 consents of this safe?\n20 A. I observed the opening of the safe, and I searched through\n21 the contents of the safe.\n22 Q. What is the photo on the right of the safe?\n23 A. Several of the items in the safe.\n24 Q. If we could now put up exhibits 255 and 265.\n25 What are we looking at in the photo on the left?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. The contents of the safe.\n2 Q. And if we could zoom in on the top left portion of that\n3 left photo, Ms. Loftus. The top left here, Special Agent\n4 Luciano, what is that?\n5 A. It was a bag of money.\n6 Q. You can zoom out of that, and we can zoom in on the right\n7 side, please.\n8 And Special Agent Luciano, what is this? What's\n9 depicted in this photo?\n10 A. This is the money seized from that safe.\n11 Q. Did there come a time when you counted that money?\n12 A. Yes, ma'am.\n13 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could zoom out and zoom in closer on the\n14 white piece of paper.\n15 Approximately how much money was located in that safe?\n16 A. It was approximately $394,040.\n17 Q. What type of currency was that $394,040?\n18 A. U.S. cash.\n19 Q. Let's go to exhibits 275 and 276, please.\n20 What type of room was this?\n21 A. This is a closet.\n22 Q. Let's go now to 273 and 274. What are we looking at here?\n23 A. Mens apparel.\n24 Q. Ms. Loftus, on the right side, if we could zoom in on first\n25 the black item on the top left.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Do you see words written on this, Special Agent\n2 Luciano?\n3 A. I do.\n4 Q. Do you know what they mean?\n5 A. No, ma'am.\n6 Q. What type of fabric, if any, does that appear to be made\n7 out of?\n8 A. Leather.\n9 Q. Ms. Loftus, if we could pull up alongside 274, Exhibit 256,\n10 please, and let's zoom in on the text portion as much as we\n11 can. There are words on the top right of this, what are they?\n12 A. G Fashion.\n13 Q. And on the top left there's a word, what does that say?\n14 A. Invoice.\n15 Q. What is the order date for this invoice?\n16 A. December 15, 2022.\n17 Q. Let's zoom out. There are a couple of items. I want to\n18 focus your attention on the last one here. If we could zoom in\n19 on that, Ms. Loftus.\n20 First of all, what is the quantity of this item on\n21 this invoice?\n22 A. One.\n23 Q. How is it described?\n24 A. Crocodile hoodie leather jacket.\n25 Q. Above that before the 50, do you see three letters?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 A. Yes, ma'am.\n2 Q. What do they say?\n3 A. BLK.\n4 Q. What is the price that's listed. In the second column,\n5 what is the price that was listed for this jacket?\n6 A. The price was $129,600.\n7 Q. Let's zoom out of that. And, Ms. Loftus, if we could now\n8 please put up 257 and 258.\n9 Focusing now on the left side, if we could just zoom\n10 in on the subtotal shipping discount information. On this\n11 document, what was the subtotal,?\n12 A. $177, 525.\n13 Q. What was the discount?\n14 A. $177,525.\n15 Q. What percentage of discount is that?\n16 A. 100 percent.\n17 Q. So what was the total price for this invoice?\n18 A. Zero dollars.\n19 Q. If we could focus now, Ms. Loftus, on the right side.\n20 Actually, let's take down the one on the right so we can look\n21 at 258 clearly. Thank you.\n22 Can you just read down the description of the five\n23 items that are listed here, please?\n24 A. Biker zip-up dress, leather Rosita pants, leather jumpsuit,\n25 leather jumpsuit, crocodile leather jacket.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. And looking at the quantities list for these items, Special\n2 Agent Luciano, how many of the crocodile leather jackets were\n3 there, for example?\n4 A. There were two.\n5 Q. And what was the price for each of those?\n6 A. The price was $186,000.\n7 Q. So adding up the quantities of items that are listed on\n8 this invoice, how many individual items are reflected on this\n9 invoice?\n10 A. There were ten by my math.\n11 Q. And what was the subtotal for those ten items?\n12 A. $425,065.\n13 Q. And the discount?\n14 A. $425,065.\n15 Q. What percentage discount is that?\n16 A. 100 percent.\n17 Q. Is that more than 50 percent?\n18 A. Yes, ma'am.\n19 Q. Is that more than 10 percent?\n20 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, we stipulate that a hundred\n21 percent is more than all of those.\n22 THE COURT: Okay.\n23 Q. What was the total for these ten items?\n24 A. Zero dollars.\n25 Q. We can take that down.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Ms. Loftus, can we now please go to 233. Focus in on\n2 the top portion of this. What information is reflected on this\n3 document?\n4 A. Security personnel.\n5 Q. What is the title listed?\n6 A. Director of security.\n7 Q. And there's a photo there. Do you recognize that person?\n8 A. No, ma'am.\n9 Q. Looking on the right, what is the name listed for that\n10 person?\n11 A. Scott Barnett.\n12 Q. You can take that down now, and put up exhibit 61, please.\n13 What is this in this photograph?\n14 A. This appears to be an envelope.\n15 Q. What is the return address in the top left corner of this\n16 envelope?\n17 A. 162 East 64th Street, New York, New York 10065.\n18 Q. And what address was this sent to?\n19 A. It was sent to 33 Ferncliff Road, Cos Cob, Connecticut\n20 06807.\n21 Q. Under that there's a two and a colon, what does it say\n22 after that?\n23 A. To Ho Wan Kwok, Wen Gui Guo.\n24 Q. Do you know who Wen Gui Guo is?\n25 A. No, ma'am.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. Let's put up now exhibits 55 and 230. Starting on the left\n2 if we could zoom in, Ms. Loftus, on kind of the green portion\n3 through to the card.\n4 What are we looking at here, Special Agent Luciano?\n5 A. This appears to be a New York state ID.\n6 Q. And what is the name of the individual for this ID?\n7 A. Hoe Wan Kwok.\n8 Q. It's a bit hard to read, do you see the address listed\n9 below for Ho Wan Kwok?\n10 A. I do see the address.\n11 Q. Are you able to read it?\n12 A. Not clearly.\n13 Q. What street is that address on if you can tell?\n14 A. The first digit is not clear.\n15 Q. All right. Ms. Loftus, we can zoom out of that, and let's\n16 zoom in on the ID on the right side, what appears to be an ID.\n17 What type of card is this?\n18 A. This looks like an ID card as well.\n19 Q. Can you read on the top the name or the title of this card?\n20 A. Hong Kong permanent identity card.\n21 Q. For whom?\n22 A. Ho Wan Kwok.\n23 Q. And looking at the date of issuance, it's a bit blurry. Can\n24 you read the date of issuance for this?\n25 A. It's 10-12-04.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. We can zoom out of that. Let's go to 267 and 745.\n2 Starting with 267 on the left of the screen, if we could zoom\n3 in on the envelope and the documents on top of it.\n4 What are we looking at here?\n5 A. These appear to be social security cards.\n6 Q. If we can zoom out again, Ms. Loftus, and zoom in just on\n7 the white portion on the social security card on the left side.\n8 Can you read the name of this mail to whom it's addressed?\n9 A. Hing Chi Ngok.\n10 Q. What's the address it was sent to?\n11 A. The address is 781 Fiesta Avenue Apartment, 1801, New York,\n12 New York 10022.\n13 Q. Looking at the right of the social security card on the\n14 bottom right, what's the date of issuance of that card?\n15 A. 10/5/2018.\n16 Q. Do you know who this individual is Hing Chi Ngok?\n17 A. No, ma'am.\n18 Q. Zoom out of that and look on the right side and zoom in.\n19 What type of document is this?\n20 A. This is a passport.\n21 Q. Issued from where?\n22 A. Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Peoples republic of\n23 China.\n24 Q. We can take that down. And, Ms. Loftus, let's go now to\n25 347 and 348. First focusing on 347, if we could zoom in on the\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 item. What type of item is this?\n2 A. It appears to be a wallet with pictures and a health\n3 insurance card with a credit card.\n4 Q. And the card on the top on the middle in the right side,\n5 can you read a portion of that name that's printed on that\n6 card?\n7 A. Yes, ma'am.\n8 Q. What does it say?\n9 A. Hing Chi Ngok.\n10 Q. Zoom out of that and look on the right side, please. And\n11 zoom in on those items.\n12 Looking at the photograph of the two individuals,\n13 Special Agent Luciano, is that the photographs that we saw in\n14 the image that we just looked at on the left side?\n15 A. Could we pull up the other picture as well?\n16 Q. Sure.\n17 A. Yes, ma'am.\n18 Q. So the image on the right, are those the items that were\n19 taken from the wallet that's depicted on the left?\n20 A. I couldn't say. I didn't search that wallet.\n21 Q. Let's take that down and go to exhibit 272.\n22 What types of documents are depicted in this photo?\n23 A. Travel and ID documents.\n24 Q. And if we're able to zoom in on the top left, let's zoom in\n25 on that item and see. It may be too fuzzy. Let's do instead\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 798, please.\n2 Do you recognize the individual depicted in these\n3 photographs?\n4 A. No, ma'am.\n5 Q. Let's go to 346 and 246, please. Focusing on the left,\n6 what do these appear to be?\n7 A. Personal photographs.\n8 Q. Do you recognize the individuals depicted in these\n9 photograph?\n10 A. No, ma'am.\n11 Q. And then on the right if we could zoom out and look on the\n12 right again. What do these appear to be?\n13 A. These also appear to be personal photographs.\n14 Q. Let's go to exhibit 808, please.\n15 If we could go to the next page. What is the text on\n16 the top right of this document?\n17 A. Rolls Royce.\n18 Q. Let's zoom in on the top portion through to aircraft serial\n19 number. If you could read starting with the customer on the\n20 first paragraph here?\n21 A. Whitecroft Shore Limited.\n22 Q. And continue reading that sentence here?\n23 A. Hereby authorizes the following company to act as its agent\n24 and receive services on behalf of the customer under that\n25 aircraft enrollment contract.\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- Direct\n1 Q. And the company name listed here is Acass Canada Limited.\n2 Do you see that?\n3 A. Yes.\n4 Q. Please zoom out and zoom in on the bottom portion.\n5 Agreed by customer, what is listed for the customer.\n6 A. Whitecroft Shore Limited.\n7 Q. And the printed name?\n8 A. Mei Guo.\n9 Q. Title of Mei Guo?\n10 A. Sole director.\n11 Q. Zoom out and go to the next page, please.\n12 THE COURT: All righty. It's 5:00. We're going to\n13 stop our work for today. We'll resume tomorrow. You'll be\n14 here ready to walk into the courtroom at 9:30. Remember,\n15 members of the jury, that you're not permitted to discuss the\n16 case amongst yourselves. Don't permit anyone to discuss it in\n17 your presence. Don't read, watch or listen to anything from\n18 any source that touches on the subject matter of this case.\n19 Have a good evening.\n20 THE LAW CLERK: Jury exiting.\n21 (Jury not present)\n22 THE COURT: You may step out.\n23 (Witness temporarily excused)\n24 THE COURT: Please be seated. Does either side want\n25 to say anything before we break for the evening?\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 MS. MURRAY: Nothing from the government, your Honor.\n2 MS. SHROFF: Your Honor, just one matter. I believe\n3 in the exhibits that were demonstrated to the jury this\n4 afternoon, one of them had a photograph and information about a\n5 gentleman named Scott Barnett. His phone number was made\n6 public, and Mr. Barnett is not -- I just wanted to flag for the\n7 Court that perhaps it might be prudent not to have his phone\n8 number be made public, but I leave that up to the Court.\n9 MS. MURRAY: We're happy to redact that. It appeared\n10 to be a business number. We'll redact that for the exhibits\n11 that we actually put into evidence.\n12 THE COURT: Very well. Have a good evening.\n13 (Adjourned to June 21, 2024 at 9:00 a.m.)\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 INDEX OF EXAMINATION\n2 Examination of: Page\n3 ALEXANDRA GALE\n4 Direct By Mr. Horton . . . . . . . . . . . . .3302\n5 Cross By Ms. Shroff . . . . . . . . . . . . .3328\n6 Redirect By Mr. Horton . . . . . . . . . . . .3363\n7 Recross By Ms. Shroff . . . . . . . . . . . .3365\n8 Redirect By Mr. Horton . . . . . . . . . . . .3368\n9 Recross By Ms. Shroff . . . . . . . . . . . .3368\n10 ELIZABETH BERSTLER\n11 Direct By Mr. Fergenson . . . . . . . . . . .3370\n12 Cross By Mr. Schirick . . . . . . . . . . . .3401\n13 Redirect By Mr. Fergenson . . . . . . . . . .3433\n14 Recross By Mr. Schirick . . . . . . . . . . .3435\n15 JOCELYN REYES\n16 Direct By Ms. Murray . . . . . . . . . . . . .3436\n17 Cross By Mr. Schirick . . . . . . . . . . . .3459\n18 Redirect By Ms. Murray . . . . . . . . . . . .3472\n19 Recross By Mr. Schirick . . . . . . . . . . .3473\n20 JACOB HINZ\n21 Direct By Mr. Horton . . . . . . . . . . . . .3474\n22 Cross By Ms. Shroff . . . . . . . . . . . . .3511\n23 GABRIELLA LUCIANO\n24 Direct By Ms. Murray . . . . . . . . . . . . .3533\n25 GOVERNMENT EXHIBITS\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 Exhibit No. Received\n2 WA1-WA12, WA14-WA68, WA69-WA79, . . . . . . .3305\n3 WA83-WA85, WA89-WA92,\n4 WA95-WA115, WA123, WA124, and\n5 WA126-WA135\n6 MSS87, MSS88, FAN1, FAN2, MET19, and . . . .3439\n7 MET27\n8 UK-1 through UK-417, UK-700 through . . . . .3480\n9 UK-777\n10 W1058, W1058A, W1058-V . . . . . . . . . . .3494\n11 NJ-7, NJ-12, NJ-14, NJ-15, NJ-22 . . . . . .3537\n12 through NJ-26, NJ-32 through\n13 NJ-37, NJ-40 through NJ-42,\n14 NJ-44 through NJ-45, NJ-53,\n15 NJ-55, NJ-58 through NJ-61,\n16 NJ-85, NJ-94, NJ-95 through\n17 NJ-106, NJ-111, NJ-112,\n18 NJ-114, NJ-116 through NJ-117,\n19 NJ-120, NJ-121, NJ-125,\n20 NJ-127, NJ-135 through NJ-147,\n21 NJ-149, NJ-151, NJ-153 through\n22 NJ-157, NJ-160, NJ-172, NJ-175\n23 through NJ-177, NJ-181, NJ-184\n24 through NJ-187, NJ-189,\n25 NJ-190, NJ-198 through NJ-199,\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 NJ-201 through NJ-207, NJ-209\n2 through NJ-210, NJ-214 through\n3 NJ-215, NJ-221 through NJ-225,\n4 NJ-228, NJ-230, NJ-233,\n5 NJ-246, NJ-249 through NJ-250,\n6 NJ-254 through NJ-259, NJ-265,\n7 NJ-267, NJ-271 through NJ-276,\n8 NJ-283 through NJ-286, NJ-289\n9 through NJ-294, NJ-314,\n10 NJ-315, NJ-324, NJ-335,\n11 NJ-336, NJ-338, NJ-341 through\n12 NJ-349, NJ-354, NJ-356,\n13 NJ-357, NJ-607 through NJ-612,\n14 NJ-662, NJ-669, NJ-745, NJ-798\n15 and NJ-800, NJ-807 and NJ-808\n16 Stip 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3304\n17 Stip-5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3535\n18 Z14 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3440\n19 Stipulation 18 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3479\n20 Stip 18 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3480\n21 Z-20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3482\n22 Z-21 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3486\n23 Z22 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3503\n24 Z23 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3507\n25 Z24 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3504\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 Z25 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3495\n2 BR445 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3439\n3 DEFENDANT EXHIBITS\n4 Exhibit No. Received\n5 7005 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3338\n6 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, . 3372,\n7 120, 121, 122, 123, 124 and\n8 125\n9\n10\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300","body_zh":"O6K1GUO1\nUNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT（美国联邦地区法院）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK（纽约南区）\n------------------------------x\nUNITED STATES OF AMERICA（美利坚合众国）\n\n诉 23 Cr. 118 (AT)\n\nMILES GUO（郭文贵/Miles Guo），\n\n被告。 庭审\n------------------------------x\nNew York, N.Y.（纽约州纽约市）\n2024年6月20日\n上午 9:00\n\n审判人员：\n\nHON. ANALISA TORRES（阿娜丽莎·托雷斯法官阁下），\nDistrict Judge（地区法官）\n以及陪审团\n\n出庭人员\n\nDAMIAN WILLIAMS（达米安·威廉姆斯）\nUnited States Attorney for the Southern District of New York（纽约南区联邦检察官）\n代理人：MICAH F. FERGENSON（迈卡·F·弗根森）\nRYAN B. FINKEL（莱恩·B·芬克尔）\nJUSTIN HORTON（贾斯汀·霍顿）\nJULIANA N. MURRAY（朱莉安娜·N·默里）\nAssistant United States Attorneys（助理联邦检察官）\n\nSABRINA P. SHROFF（萨布丽娜·P·施罗夫）\n被告律师\n\nPRYOR CASHMAN LLP（普莱尔·卡什曼律师事务所）\n被告律师\n代理人：SIDHARDHA KAMARAJU（西达尔塔·卡马拉朱）\nMATTHEW BARKAN（马修·巴肯）\n\nALSTON & BIRD LLP（奥斯顿·柏德律师事务所）\n被告律师\n代理人：E. SCOTT SCHIRICK（E·斯科特·希里克）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n其他在场人员：\nIsabel Loftus（伊莎贝尔·洛夫特斯），USAO（美国联邦检察官办公室）律师助理专家\nRobert Stout（罗伯特·斯托特），FBI（联邦调查局）特别探员\nRuben Montilla（鲁本·蒙蒂利亚），辩方律师助理\nTuo Huang（黄拓），译员（普通话）\nShi Feng（冯实），译员（普通话）\nYu Mark Tang（唐宇马克），译员（普通话）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n（庭审恢复；陪审团不在场）\n\n法庭：早上好。\n\n全体律师：法官阁下，早上好。\n\n法庭：请各位报到出庭。\n\n默里女士：法官阁下，早上好。朱莉安娜·默里和迈卡·弗根森代表合众国出庭。我们的律师助理专家伊莎贝尔·洛夫特斯也一同在场。\n\n施罗夫女士：法官阁下，早上好。萨布丽娜·施罗夫、西德·卡马拉朱、斯科特·希里克以及豪尔赫·萨拉查代表郭先生出庭。\n\n法庭：请坐。\n\n今天清晨，我收到了一封来自 Bess Fung（贝丝·冯）的信件，她声称其父亲 Henry Fung（亨利·冯）是“GTV 骗局的受害者”，并请求代表其父亲作证，如果不行，则让其父亲出庭作证。因此，我准备将该信件上传至案卷系统。\n\n各位有什么事情要向我报告吗？\n\n弗根森先生：是的，法官阁下。政府方有一件事。政府方预计今天会有一名 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）的员工出庭作证。她的名字是 Elizabeth Berstler（伊丽莎白·伯斯特勒）。她是摩根士丹利 G|CLUBS 账户的客户业务代表。她证词的核心要点涉及 G|CLUBS 提出的电汇申请。具体而言，他们申请向英国的 Fiesta Properties Development Ltd.（嘉年华地产开发有限公司）电汇 1000 万 GBP——英镑。据称那是依据 G|CLUBS 与 Fiesta 之间就该金额达成的一份贷款协议进行的。摩根士丹利根据该申请最终进行了大约四笔电汇，以将 1000 万英镑的余款转至 Fiesta。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n关于这些申请，摩根士丹利的反欺诈运营部门标记了最初的一笔电汇，并要求伯斯特勒女士向客户核实电汇的目的。她核实了。客户声称该目的是一份贷款协议，以便 Fiesta 进行一处房地产购置。这并非实情。Fiesta 的这笔资金被用于为郭先生的儿子 Mileson Guo（郭美森），即 Qiang Guo（郭强），购买了一辆价值 450 万美元的法拉利跑车。我向法官阁下标记此事，是因为我们希望提问，以证明我们根据 18 U.S.C. § 1349 指控的罪名项中银行欺诈目标的实质重要性，询问证人，您知道，如果她当时知晓所提供的目的并不是资金的实际用途，她是否还会处理该笔电汇。鉴于我们此前对此事的讨论，我想提前向法官阁下提出来。那是我们审前证据动议的主题，我们在其中请求获准向受害者和银行提出此类问题以证明其实质重要性，特别是针对银行以证明 § 1349 银行欺诈的目标。\n\n希里克先生：法官阁下，我就不逐一陈述辩方对弗根森先生对该交易定性的事实争议了。简而言之，我们不同意那是正确的。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n话虽如此，我认为关于实质重要性问题，辩方的立场有两点。第一，至少在我们看来，尚不清楚这位证人究竟是否有任何职权去批准、否决或拒绝批准该笔特定交易。我们的理解是，该审批权限属于银行的其他部门，而这位证人无法对此作证。所以这是第一个前提基础问题。\n\n第二，在法庭允许该证词的限度内，我们仅请求拥有相互对等的权利去提出类似的假设性问题。\n\n法庭：那么，你知道她是否拥有决策权吗？因为如果她没有，那么问题就应该是：如果你知晓这一点，你是否会向你的上级报告？\n\n弗根森先生：是的，法官阁下，我认为法官阁下的追问切中了要害。正如在大型银行中通常会发生的那样，她是审批电汇流程中的一个环节。因此，她收到了虚假陈述，然后将其转达给反欺诈运营部门，该部门随后批准了电汇。所以，我认为这就足够了。这就够了。\n\n法庭：因此，我将首先允许询问关于她的决策权限、她的职责的问题，以及一个询问如果她知晓目的是购车，她是否会将该信息提供给她本应提供给的任何人的问题。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n弗根森先生：明白。\n\n我不确定辩方的其他假设性问题可能会是什么，法官阁下。我想我们可以走着瞧；辩方提出时我们再行处理。\n\n法庭：好的。\n\n希里克先生：如果法庭觉得这样可行，把假设性问题留在那里，辩方没有其他意见了。我们可以实时处理。\n\n施罗夫女士：法官阁下，我可以发言吗？\n\n法庭：可以，请讲。\n\n施罗夫女士：关于冯女士，辩方没有立场，只是为了闭环此事。谢谢。\n\n我确实还有一件事要提出，是关于第一位证人的，政府方试图通过该证人引入多张照片，他们并不是试图引入底层扣押的物品，而仅仅是照片。\n\n因此，他们试图在庭审中引入的照片中，一部分是在王女士公寓中发现的几箱围巾和个人物品，另一组是王女士公寓本身的照片，第三组照片似乎涉及在她公寓中扣押/发现的现金。我知道这是一起共谋案件。然而，辩方的立场是，试图\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n引入被扣押物品的照片将是 (1) 基于关联性是不当的，(2) 照片本身仅仅是照片的证据，而不是底层扣押的证据，但是 (3) 尤其是在信用卡和现金的问题上，政府方想引入它们，却不向辩方提供可以进行交叉质证的证人。因此，该证人本身的 18 U.S.C. § 3500 材料表明她在任何扣押中都没有发挥任何作用。她仅仅是拍了照片。所以，如果不顾我的反对，法庭允许将（例如）现金作为证据采纳，我将无法进行交叉质证，因为该证人只会说“我不知道”。我将无法从证人那里查明这些现金的发行年份早在 2013 年这一事实，而政府方是知晓这一事实的，因为在王女士的保释申请期间曾向他们标记过这一点，并且王女士的律师曾提交一份宣誓书，称他去过他们的办公室，检查了现金，纸币本身的发行年份早在 2013 年。所以通常情况下，我可以理解法庭会说，好吧，施罗夫女士，它们具有可采性，你可以就证据证明力进行交叉质证。但是我没有一个可以进行交叉质证的证人，因为她只是拍照片的人。\n\n法庭：所以你的理解是控方希望将这些照片用作涉嫌欺诈所得的收益。\n\n施罗夫女士：当然。但是——\n\n法庭：而且你并没有质疑\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n扣押的合法性。\n\n施罗夫女士：我不能。我没有诉讼资格。那不是我当事人的住所；那是王女士的住所。\n\n法庭：而且王女士已经认罪答辩。\n\n施罗夫女士：是的。\n\n法庭：我听听控方的意见。\n\n默里女士：好的，法官阁下。\n\n我们认为，反映搜查令证据的所有这些类别的照片都应当被采纳。\n\n关于第一类，首先，双方就照片达成了规定协议——即搜查拍摄的照片是当天根据合法的场所搜查拍摄的真实且准确的照片，其次，关于被扣押物品的照片，那些是被合法扣押物品的照片，并且那些照片要么是在搜查当天拍摄的，要么是由参与合法扣押这些物品的人员在之后拍摄的。政府方通过一名证人来引入这些照片是为了提高效率，以便引入搜查情况，而不是传唤多名能就实际扣押物品作证的证人，一箱箱地把实际扣押的物品搬进来展示。并且对任何这些照片的真实性或其所代表的内容都不存在异议。双方已经就此达成了规定协议。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n关于 Hermès（爱马仕）围巾和包的箱子照片，政府方主张那些是被指控欺诈的收益。那些是非常昂贵的物品。它们在王女士的保释程序中曾被争议过，是她在被指控的共谋期间购买的高价值物品。没有任何理由禁止政府方引入它们。\n\n我不确定排除公寓照片的依据是什么（如果有的话）。那只是为了确立根据搜查令实际搜查的区域。\n\n然后关于现金，那是从保险箱中扣押的大约 138,000 美元的大宗现金。施罗夫女士说得没错；曾就王女士的事宜进行过辩论。她的律师来到 FBI 的办公室，检查了现金的每一张纸币。政府方的主张是，部分款项在 2013 年进入流通这一事实，与王女士究竟何时实际获得这笔款项绝对没有任何关联。我现在身上没有一美元纸币，但我推测如果我看一眼我手头的现金，它并不全都会是 2024 年的。也就是说，货币在流通中，具有可替代性，进进出出，而这些纸币的发行年份事实与政府方的主张没有任何关联；具体而言，政府方的主张是，大量的大宗现金是依据合法的扣押令从保险箱中取得的，所以我们看不出有任何\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n排除我们出示该证据的理由。\n\n法庭：那么证人呢，她与扣押有什么关系？\n\nMS. MURRAY（默里女士）：证人是摄影师，所以她在场。就像我们之前在合法搜查场所时出庭的其他证人一样。她在场并在搜查期间拍摄了照片。\n\n而且，法官阁下，我们确实就照片达成了规定协议（stipulation），包括搜查时的照片和扣押物品的照片。\n\n法庭：我将准许采纳这些照片。\n\nMS. SHROFF（什罗夫女士）：法官阁下，我可以——我只是想确保将以下内容记录在案：我并未对任何材料或照片的真实性提出异议。我的异议仅针对相关性。\n\n回到 Murray 女士对法庭所说的话，是的，我口袋里也有一张一美元纸币；它可能是 2013 年的，也可能是 2023 年的。关键是，那是均势状态。我无法提出任何抗辩，因为我没有可以进行交叉询问的证人。这就是关键所在。当然，这张纸币可能在流通中；它可能自 2019 年、2001 年或 1984 年以来一直在流通。那不是重点。重点是，我无法就此提出抗辩，(1) 因为我没有合适的证人，(2) 因为我没有基础纸币。我没有那些一美元纸币。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1\n我还想确保法庭知晓此事已记录在案卷中。即案卷编号 81-18。自提交该特定案卷编号文件以来，政府一直知晓该主张。而且有 16 叠分开的现金。对这些现金叠的审查显示，它们的年份跨度从 2013 年到 2017 年。我无法就其中任何内容进行交叉询问。\n\n我还想指出，就政府试图出示的照片数量而言，共有 122 张照片。我们对房屋物理布局的照片没有异议。他们认为那具有相关性。我看不出有何相关。那是法庭的裁决；我明白这一点。但是，主张该公寓内的一切都是欺诈犯罪所得，却不向辩方提供可以就该问题接受交叉询问的证人，这对 Mr. Guo（郭先生）是不公平的。\n\n最后，只有一点。政府的便利不能凌驾于 Mr. Kwok（郭先生）的正当程序权利和获得合适证人的权利之上。\n\n因此，基于这些理由，我们继续提出异议。谢谢您，法官阁下。\n\nMS. MURRAY：关于这一点，法官阁下，我只想简短说明，Guo 先生没有资格对本次搜查提出质疑，他也未曾质疑搜查的合法性。\n\n我还想指出，我们知晓辩方将提出抗辩案件——我们从最近与辩方的谈话中知悉了这一点——因此，\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 直接询问\n如果他们想传唤证人来对这些问题中的任何一个提出质疑，他们可以在自己的举证阶段这样做。\n\n法庭：好的。在这个问题上我已经听够了。关于这个问题我已经听了足够的争论。我准许采纳这些照片。\n\n还有其他事吗？\n\nMS. SHROFF：没有了，法官阁下。我只是认为举证责任倒置将违反法律和宪法。\n\n法庭：在我们在 9:30 开始之前，没有其他事项了吗？\n\nMR. KAMARAJU（卡马拉朱先生）：辩方没有了。\n\nMS. MURRAY：政府没有了。\n\n法庭：好的。那么请在 9:29 之前让你们的下一位证人坐上证人席，或者至少站在证人席旁。\n\nMS. MURRAY：好的。\n\n（休庭）\n\n法庭：请把陪审员带进来。\n\n（续见下一页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 直接询问\n（陪审团在场）\n\n法庭：请就座。\n\n早上好，陪审员们，在度过了一个美好的休假日之后。\n\n陪审员们：早上好。\n\n法庭：我们将由一位新证人重新开始。\n\n请检方传唤其证人。\n\nMR. HORTON（霍顿先生）：法官阁下，政府传唤 Alexandra Gale（亚历山德拉·盖尔）。\n\n（证人宣誓）\n\n法庭：请陈述您的姓名并拼写。\n\n证人：Alexandra Gale。A-L-E-X-A-N-D-R-A，姓氏是 G-A-L-E。\n\n法庭：Gale 女士，我需要您非常、非常靠近麦克风，以便我们所有人都能听到您的声音。\n\n证人：好的。这样好一点吗？\n\n法庭：好多了，但您还可以靠得更近一些。\n\n证人：好的。\n\n法庭：Horton 先生，我也希望您靠近麦克风，以便我们能听见。\n\nMR. HORTON：好的，法官阁下。\n\n法庭：您可以开始询问。\n\nMR. HORTON：谢谢您，法官阁下。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 直接询问\nALEXANDRA GALE，\n由政府传唤作证，\n经正式宣誓后，作证如下：\n\n直接询问\n由 MR. HORTON 进行：\n\n问：早上好，Gale 女士。\n\n答：早上好。\n\n问：您在哪里工作？\n\n答：纽约的 FBI（Federal Bureau of Investigation，联邦调查局）。\n\n问：您在 FBI 的职位是什么？\n\n答：我是一名业务专职人员。\n\n问：您被分配在哪个办事处？\n\n答：纽约外勤办事处。\n\n问：Gale 女士，您在 FBI 工作多久了？\n\n答：全职大约五年。\n\n问：作为 FBI 的业务专职人员，您的各项职责是什么？\n\n答：我更多是一名战术分析师，所以我们负责社交媒体、电话、开源研究之类的内容分析。\n\n问：如果有的话，您的工作何时需要拍照？\n\n答：我兼任附随职责摄影师。\n\n问：附随职责摄影师是什么意思？\n\n答：也就是说我是后备人员。如果他们需要额外人手、如果其中有人不在办公室、或者如果他们在搜查中有多个地点，\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 直接询问\n他们就会让我去拍照。\n\n问：作为 FBI 的摄影师，您拍摄什么照片？\n\n答：通常是搜查令的执行情况。\n\n问：什么是搜查令执行？\n\n答：我们——如果行动小组获得了某个地点的搜查令，他们就可以依法进入并进行搜查。\n\n问：如果有的话，您接受过何种成为 FBI 摄影师的培训？\n\n答：我向 FBI 的全职摄影师学习，他们通过带我一起出外勤并记录他们的拍照日志来教我，这样我就能看到他们在搜查令执行过程中拍照的方式，然后他们会让我在他们现场监督下自己操作，以确保我的操作正确无误。\n\n问：您说您的学习部分是通过记录拍照日志完成的。什么是拍照日志？\n\n答：这是搜查小组中的人员配合摄影师保留的记录，因此每当摄影师拍照时，记录员就会写下照片编号以及照片中拍摄的内容。\n\n问：Gale 女士，我想请您注意 2023 年 3 月 15 日。如果有的话，那天你在工作岗位上做了什么？\n\n答：我对一次搜查进行了拍照。\n\n问：您那天拍照的搜查地点在哪里？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 直接询问\n答：在 Manhattan（曼哈顿）的某个地方。\n\n问：您记得在哪个街区吗？\n\n答：我想是在 East 64th（东 64 街）。\n\n问：FBI 当天持有搜查令吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：搜查令允许 FBI 做什么？\n\n答：搜查我们搜查过的公寓。\n\nMR. HORTON：法官阁下，此时政府出示一份标为 GX Stip 4 的规定协议。\n\n法庭：准许采纳。\n\n（政府证据 Stip 4 获准采纳为证据）\n\nMR. HORTON：Ms. Loftus（洛夫特斯女士），我们可以公布它吗？\n\n该文件的标题为《关于王公寓搜查的规定协议》，其中载明各方同意，如果作为审判证人传唤出庭，Federal Bureau of Investigation（“FBI”）的特工将作证如下：\n\n2023 年 3 月 15 日，特工及其他 FBI 雇员对 188 East 64th Street, Apartment 1601, New York, New York（纽约州纽约市东 64 街 188 号 1601 室）执行了合法搜查。在搜查过程中，FBI 人员拍摄了纽约州纽约市东 64 街 188 号 1601 室的内部空间照片，并合法扣押了物品、文件和电子设备。\n\n搜查发生时，Yvette (Yanping) Wang（王雁平）是纽约州纽约市东 64 街 188 号 1601 室的唯一住户。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 直接询问\nGX WA1 - 135 是东 64 街 188 号内部空间的真实准确照片，由一名 FBI 摄影师于 2023 年 3 月 15 日执行搜查时合法拍摄。\n\nGX WA601 - 656 是 2023 年 3 月 15 日搜查期间位于纽约州纽约市东 64 街 188 号 1601 室的文件和物品的真实准确图像。\n\n文件载明，进一步规定并同意，本规定协议可被采纳为证据。\n\nGX WA1 - 12、14 至 79——抱歉。让我更正一下。14 - 68、69 - 79、83 - 85、89 - 92、95 - 115、123、124 以及 126 - 135，所有这些均涵盖在规定协议中。\n\n法庭：准许采纳。\n\n（政府证据 WA1-WA12、WA14-WA68、WA69-WA79、WA83-WA85、WA89-WA92、WA95-WA115、WA123、WA124 以及 WA126-WA135 获准采纳为证据）\n\nMR. HORTON：谢谢您，Loftus 女士。您可以撤下该文件了。\n\n由 MR. HORTON 继续询问：\n\n问：Gale 女士，2023 年 3 月 15 日当您到达该公寓时，您做的第一件事是什么？\n\n答：我和搜查组组长谈了话。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 直接询问\n问：您和她谈了什么？\n\n答：在我开始拍照之前，我们对公寓进行了巡视，以确定每个房间的标签。\n\n问：在进行巡视之前会发生什么？\n\n答：执行搜查令的特工会对公寓进行清场，以确保安全。\n\n问：特工清场公寓是什么意思？\n\n答：他们会进去检查里面是否有人。\n\n问：您说您进行了巡视。您能向陪审团解释一下什么是巡视吗？\n\n答：基本上，我们会巡视公寓并标记每个房间，通常按照他们巡视的顺序进行。例如，如果厨房是第一个房间，我们就会将其标记为 A。因此我们穿过公寓查看布局是怎样的，然后走出公寓。\n\n问：那天早上巡视之后，Gale 女士，您接下来做了什么？\n\n答：我们开始拍摄进场照片。\n\n问：您所说的进场照片是什么意思？\n\n答：在开始任何搜查之前，我会在我们开始触碰任何东西之前按现状拍摄整个公寓的照片。\n\n问：在巡视期间和拍摄进场照片期间，如果有的话，您对在公寓中看到的物品做了什么，或者做过什么？\n\n答：什么都没做。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale（盖尔）- 主询问\n\n问：在您拍摄了入场照片之后，接下来发生了什么？\n\n答：然后我稍后通知搜查小组，他们可以开始搜查了。\n\n问：在搜查进行期间您在做什么？\n\n答：我会等待搜查人员让我为他们可能找到的任何证据或重要物品拍照。\n\n问：您能自己决定拍照吗？我撤回这个问题。由谁决定您拍什么照片？\n\n答：搜查特工或 FBI（联邦调查局）工作人员。\n\n问：特工是如何要求您拍照的？\n\n答：他们就是叫我的名字，说，嘿，你能过来拍张这个的照片吗。\n\nMr. Horton（霍顿先生）：Ms. Loftus（洛夫特斯女士），能否调出标为 GX WA2 的证据。\n\n问：在调出证据的同时，盖尔女士，那天早上您是为 FBI 拍照的唯一人员吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n霍顿先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士，请出示给法庭。\n\n问：这张照片是您拍的吗，盖尔女士？\n\n答：是我拍的。\n\n问：我们在这里看到的是什么？\n\n答：这是一张——我当时站在走廊里，在门开着的情况下拍摄的一进公寓首先看到的内容的照片。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.（南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n答：（续）一进公寓首先看到的内容的照片。\n\n问：厨房在这张照片的什么位置？\n\n答：就在左侧。\n\n霍顿先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士，请放上 WA9。\n\n法庭：你是说右边的门是前门吗？\n\n证人：是的。\n\n问：盖尔女士，这张照片是在公寓的哪个房间拍的？\n\n答：这是厨房。\n\n问：它显示了什么？\n\n答：看起来是几部正在充电的手机、水瓶、水果。\n\n问：那些是您那天早上拍摄照片的仅有的手机吗？\n\n答：我不这么认为。\n\n霍顿先生：能否调出 WA107。\n\n问：这张照片是您拍的吗，盖尔女士？\n\n答：是我拍的。\n\n问：它显示了什么？\n\n答：一部 Apple iPhone（苹果 iPhone）。\n\n问：这是在厨房充电的其中一部手机吗？\n\n答：我不知道是不是同一部。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否调出 WA15。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n问：盖尔女士，这是公寓里的哪个房间？\n\n答：这是卧室。\n\n问：那天早上您进去时就是这个样子的吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否放大到图像的大致中心位置。能否放大到屏幕中间的物品。\n\n问：那天早上您走进卧室时，这个物品就在那里吗，盖尔女士？\n\n答：是的，在。\n\n问：它是什么？\n\n答：看起来是一个人的照片。\n\n问：您知道照片里是谁吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：照片顶部写着什么（如果有字的话）？\n\n答：“英雄”（The Hero）。\n\n霍顿先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士，请撤下来。洛夫特斯女士，能否请您同时出示 WA62 至 WA64。\n\n问：看屏幕左上方，WA62，盖尔女士，我们在这里看到的是什么？外面的一圈框架是什么？\n\n答：这是一张——一个打开的保险箱的照片，您看到的是保险箱里的物品。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n答：（续）保险箱里的物品。\n\n问：那么右边的袋子是在哪里找到的？\n\n答：在左边的那个保险箱里。\n\n问：这里底部图像 WA64 中描绘的是什么？\n\n答：现金。\n\n问：那笔现金是在哪里找到的？\n\n答：在保险箱里找到的那个袋子里。\n\n问：保险箱是在公寓的哪个房间找到的？\n\n答：我相信是在卧室。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否请您撤下这些，换上 WA41。\n\n问：盖尔女士，我们在这里看到的是什么？\n\n答：这是一个透明收纳盒，里面有回形针、涂改液、笔和 U 盘。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请放大抽屉左侧。\n\n问：盖尔女士，U 盘上显示了什么？\n\n答：其中两个贴有标签。\n\n问：您知道 MK 是什么吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请撤下来。\n\n问：盖尔女士，您在这套公寓里拍摄了纸质文件的照片吗？\n\n答：是的，我拍了。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n问：您是如何决定拍哪些照片的？\n\n答：凡是搜查特工和 FBI 专业人员让我拍的我都拍。\n\n问：您拍照的纸质文件在公寓的什么地方？\n\n答：我知道客厅里有一些。我不记得是否还有其他地方。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请调出 WA20。能否请您放大左侧文件顶部，并高亮“收件人”（To）行和“日期”（Date）行。\n\n问：盖尔女士，这是什么类型的文件？\n\n答：看起来像一封打印出来的电子邮件。\n\n问：“收件人”行中电子邮件地址旁边的名字是什么？\n\n答：您是要我读出电子邮件本身，还是只读名字？\n\n问：抱歉。能否请您只读出“收件人”行中电子邮件地址旁边写的内容。\n\n答：Ladym 空格 g，以及 Max Krasner（马克斯·克拉斯纳）。\n\n问：您知道 ladym g 是什么意思吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：您知道 Max Krasner 是谁吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：这份文件的日期是哪一天？\n\n答：2023年3月14日，星期二。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否请您缩小，然后截取从“Dear Miss Guo”到第三张照片的部分。请高亮第三段的第一句话。\n\n问：然后盖尔女士，能否请您大声朗读出来。\n\n答：上面写着：“我已在此回复中抄送了 Max Krasner 先生，关于 Whitecroft（怀特克罗夫特）的事宜我经常与他保持联系。”\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请将其替换为 WA109。洛夫特斯女士，能否请您放大左边物品上写的内容。\n\n问：盖尔女士，这张图像显示了什么？\n\n答：这是一张记事本的照片，上面有手写笔记。\n\n问：记事本左侧顶部写着什么（如果有字的话）？\n\n答：Max 这个词。\n\n问：在它下方，有些行以看似连字符的符号开头。能否请您自上而下逐项朗读 Max 下方各项的第一个词或首字母缩写词。\n\n答：好的，是 GSNY，然后括号里是 (Citi)（花旗）。下一个是 Genever，拼写为 G-E-N-E-V-E-R。第三个写着 Leading。第四个写着 Greenwich LLC（格林威治有限责任公司）。然后下一个是 S-A-R-A-C-A。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n答：（续）然后是 ROLS，接着是 Hudson（哈德逊）。\n\n问：您知道其中任何一个是什么意思吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否请将此替换为 WA68。然后请放大文件正文，并高亮顶部写的内容。\n\n问：盖尔女士，这张照片是您拍的吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：请朗读这份文件顶部写的内容。\n\n答：HCN Allocation at USD 0.1（HCN 分配，单价 0.1 美元）。\n\n问：您知道 HCN allocation 是什么意思吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否请您高亮该清单中间偏下的位置，以 Andrew Law（安德鲁·劳）和 Roger Smee（罗杰·斯密）开头的两行，并延伸至该行末尾。\n\n问：盖尔女士，请朗读这两个单项。\n\n答：“Andrew Law：Mileson（迈尔森）的朋友。”以及，“Roger Smee：Mileson 的朋友。”\n\n问：在这些文字的同一行上有什么？\n\n答：一个美元金额。\n\n问：这些行中每一行的美元金额是多少？\n\n答：我相信与 Andrew Law 在同一行的要么是 980,000 要么是 300,000，然后 Roger Smee 看起来是 250,000，或者是上面一行。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n问：盖尔女士，您可以读一下那些数字所在列顶部的文字吗？\n\n答：写着 Total HCN（总 HCN）。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请高亮 Andrew Law 上面第三行的那一行。\n\n问：盖尔女士，您可以为我们读一下该单项吗？\n\n答：好的，名字拼写为 Y-A-N-P-I-N-G 空格 W-A-N-G（王雁平），看起来美元金额大概是 6,999,800，但也可能是 2000 万（20 million）。\n\n问：您知道这份清单代表什么吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请将其替换为 WA26。能否请您放大文件内容。抱歉，洛夫特斯女士。能否获取文件顶部的那个词。谢谢。\n\n问：盖尔女士，那天这份文件在公寓里吗？\n\n答：在。\n\n问：顶部写着什么？\n\n答：清单（Inventory）。\n\n问：这份文件上显示了哪些种类的物品？\n\n答：看起来是机动车辆。\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n问：看左起第二列，写着年份/品牌（Year/Make）。\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否放大倒数第三行，从“年份/品牌”列中的 2021 开始，放大整行。\n\n问：盖尔女士，这里左起第二列的“年份/品牌”列中写着什么？\n\n答：2021 Lamborghini Aventador（2021年兰博基尼 Aventador）。\n\n问：这一列——然后其右侧有一张汽车的照片。右边那一列顶部写着州（State）。那个框里写着什么？\n\n答：CT。\n\n问：据您理解，CT 是什么意思（如果有的话）？\n\n答：Connecticut（康涅狄格州）。\n\n问：移到该行的右侧，左起第二个方框位于题为“所有人”（Owner）的一列中。请读一下 2021 Lamborghini Aventador 的“所有人”列中写了什么。\n\n答：好的。姓氏拼写为 D-E-F-E-N-G，名字看起来是 C-A-O（曹德丰），附带一个地址，Connecticut（康涅狄格州）Greenwich（格林威治）Taconic Road（塔科尼克路）373 号，拼写为 T-A-C-O-N-I-C。\n\n问：右边的方框位于题为“备注”（Notes）的一列中。请读一下 2021 Lamborghini Aventador 的“备注”列中写了什么。\n\n答：写着“G Club International Ltd（G俱乐部国际有限公司）？”\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否请您缩小，\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 盖尔 - 主询问\n\n霍顿先生：（续）然后放大其上方第四行，从“年份/品牌”列中的 2021 Ducati（杜卡迪）开始。盖尔女士，您知道 Ducati 是什么吗？\n\n答：我不知道。\n\n问：好的。2021 Ducati 的该单项照片框中显示了什么？\n\n答：看起来是一辆摩托车。\n\n问：回到右起第二个“所有人”框，能否请读出该框中的姓名和地址。\n\n答：看起来是同一个名字，D-E-F-E-N-G, C-A-O，地址是 New Jersey（新泽西州）Jersey City（泽西市）Regent Street（丽晶街）88 号，拼写为 R-E-G-E-N-T。\n\n问：那是您为兰博基尼读出的同一个地址吗？\n\nMs. Shroff（什罗夫律师）：反对。\n\n法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n\n答：不是。\n\n问：在姓名和泽西市地址右侧的“备注”列中，您能读一下杜卡迪的“备注”列中写了什么吗？\n\n答：写着：“DMV（车管所）积压 6-8 周，纽约州注册，之后需要过户，姓氏 D-E-F-E-N-G，来自 Scott（斯科特）。”\n\n霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，您可以缩小。请放大这份文件底部的最后两个单项。\n\n问：“年份/品牌”下方的顶部方框中写着什么？\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 答：露营车。\n2 问：你知道什么是露营车吗？\n3 答：知道。\n4 问：什么是露营车？\n5 答：它是一种，像是比较大的机动车辆，人也可以睡在\n6 里面。\n7 问：那么在露营车这笔款项末尾的“备注”栏里，如果有的话，\n8 写了什么？\n9 答：“G Club International Ltd 进口问题。仍在\n10 德国。Nina 正在处理。”\n11 问：Gale 女士，露营车下面一行款项写的是什么？\n12\n13 答：布加迪（Bugatti）。\n14 问：什么是布加迪？\n15 答：我很确定这是一种车。\n16 问：那么在布加迪这款项右侧的方框里，如果有的话，写了什么？\n17\n18 答：几乎全部都写着 TBD（待定），最后一个是个问\n19 号。\n20 问：问号在哪一栏？\n21 答：“备注”栏。\n22 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请调出 WA30。\n23\n24 实际上，Loftus 女士，请你把 30 到 33\n25 并排调出来。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 问：Gale 女士，你那天是否拍摄了有多页的\n2 文件照片？\n3 答：是的，我拍了。\n4 问：你每次都会把每一页都拍下来吗？\n5 答：不一定。\n6 问：好的。你有时会这样做吗？\n7 答：当然会。\n8 问：WA30-33 这里的这些图片，是一份单独的文件吗？\n9 答：是的，我认为是的。\n10 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请放大 WA30\n11 的左上角。\n12 问：Gale 女士，这份文件的左上角写着\n13 什么？\n14 答：“2019-2023 年汇总，所有捐款，ROLF 和 ROLS。”\n15 问：你知道什么是 ROLF 吗？\n16 答：不知道。\n17 问：那 ROLS 呢？\n18 答：不知道。\n19 问：在 ROLF 的首行，你能读出 2019 年和 2020 年\n20 列报的数字吗？\n21 答：可以。2019 年是 $4,210,315。2020 年是 $8,916,019。\n22 问：请再读一下其下方 ROLS 在 2019 年和 2020 年的数字。\n23\n24 答：2019 年是 $2,255,391，2020 年是 $4,028,774［原文如此］。\n25 问：其下方的款项写着“两个实体总计”。你能\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 读一下该合计行最末端的数值吗，谢谢。\n2 答：好的。对于——噢，抱歉。是在 YTD（本年迄今）栏下还是\n3 2019 年的？\n4 问：写着“两个实体总计”的那一行款项，大约在页面\n5 下方三分之一处，如果你能读一下位于最右侧\n6 该行末端的数值。\n7 答：好的。36,840——抱歉。$36,841,050.29。\n8 问：Gale 女士，这个数字是多于还是少于 1 亿美元？\n9 答：少于。\n10 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请把 WA34 和 35\n11 放在一起调出来。\n12 问：屏幕左侧的 WA34，Gale 女士，标题是什么？\n13 这份文件顶部写了什么？\n14 答：G Club Operations LLC 损益表 2022 年 1 月至 12 月。\n15\n16 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，能否放大写着“收入”的那一行\n17 以及其下方的行，“收入”下方大约五行左右。\n18\n19 问：Gale 女士，这份文件上“会员总收入”旁边列报的\n20 数值是多少？\n21 答：$4,862,954.82。\n22 问：那么该收入图表下方的最底端数值是多少？\n23 答：$90,462,483.16。\n24 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请先缩小，\n25 然后放大写着“总计 64002 活动”的款项行。它\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 距离本页底部大约向上五行。\n2 问：Gale 女士，写着“总计 54000 法律与专业服务”那一行\n3 上的数值是多少？\n4 答：$2,752,228.62。\n5 问：那么写着“总计 64002 活动”那一行上的数值是\n6 多少？\n7 答：$2,550,815.84。\n8 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请回到\n9 WA34 那第一页的顶部。\n10 问：Gale 女士，这份文件上的日期范围是什么？\n11 答：2022 年 1 月至 12 月。\n12 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，现在请转到屏幕\n13 右侧的 35。\n14 并把上面的文字放大。\n15 问：Gale 女士，该款项行是什么？G|CLUBS 净收入\n16 最底部款项行上列报的数字是多少？\n17 答：$78,361,488.61。\n18 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请调出 WA39。\n19\n20 问：Gale 女士，这份文件左上角栏目中出现的\n21 词是什么？\n22 答：发票号码（Invoice Number）。\n23 问：你能从左到右读出“月份”之后该行右侧\n24 的字词吗？\n25 答：月份。G|CLUBS。G Fashion。G Music。HCHK Tech。FMV。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 G News。Gettr。GEDU。服务费。以及总计。\n2 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请调出 W85。\n3 85。请把文字放大一下。\n4\n5 问：Gale 女士，这份文件大体上显示的是什么？\n6 答：看起来像是登录信息。\n7 问：你能读一下“登录信息”下方从 Chase\n8 Genever 到最底部的各项款项吗？\n9 答：可以。(Genever) 是第一个。Chase (S-A-R-A-C-A) 是\n10 第二个。Chase GVT——抱歉，是 GTV——HSBC (Leading)。\n11 Investors (Leading)。BOA ROLF。下一行是 PayPal ROLF。\n12 下一行是 Stripe ROLF。然后是 BOA ROLS。以及 PayPal ROLS。\n13 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，在 Investors\n14 (Leading) 下方那一行，第一个词是 Fist。你能放大\n15 该行末尾吗，上面写着“oldest niece（大侄女/外甥女）”。\n16 问：Gale 女士，“oldest niece”旁边写了什么？\n17 答：上面写着 - Gladys，G-L-A-D-Y-S。\n18 问：你知道 Gladys 是谁吗？\n19 答：不知道。\n20 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请把 89 和 90\n21 并排调出来。\n22 Loftus 女士，请放大左侧 89\n23 的上半部分。\n24 问：Gale 女士，在顶部银行名称下方，这份文件的\n25 标题是什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 答：新账户公司银行业务调查问卷（Corporate Banking Questionnaire for New Accounts）。\n2 问：在其下方几行的“公司名称”旁边写着\n3 什么？\n4 答：Holy City HK Ventures。\n5 问：你知道那是什么吗？\n6 答：不知道。\n7 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，现在看右边的 90，\n8 请高亮标出“董事 1”和“董事 2”下方的两个名字\n9 并放大。\n10 问：Gale 女士，这份文件上 Holy City\n11 HK Ventures 的“董事 1”下方是什么名字？\n12 答：Aaron A. Mitchell。\n13 问：你知道 Aaron Mitchell 是谁吗？\n14 答：我不知道。\n15 问：这份文件上 Holy City HK\n16 Ventures 的“董事 2”下方写的名字是什么？\n17 答：Victor X. Cerda。\n18 问：你知道 Victor Cerda 是谁吗？\n19 答：不知道。\n20 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请把 91 和 92\n21 并排调出来。\n22 问：看左侧的文件，Gale 女士，91，顶部用\n23 大号字体写的是什么？\n24 答：Holy City Hong Kong Ventures Ltd.。\n25 问：下面写着：“下签署人，系 Holy City Hong Kong\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 Ventures Ltd. 董事之唯一成员”。\n2 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请向下移到页面\n3 中间，“董事”处。\n4 问：Gale 女士，第 3 项“董事”下方写了什么？\n5 答：“获悉本公司首任注册代理人自 2021 年\n6 5 月 13 日起委任 Yanping Wang（王雁平）为公司首任\n7 董事。”\n8 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请放大 91\n9 这一页的最后一行。\n10 问：在这份 Holy City Hong Kong\n11 Ventures Ltd. 文件的底部写了什么？\n12 答：New Federal State Corporation（新中国联邦公司）。\n13 问：你知道 New Federal State Corporation 是什么吗？\n14 答：不知道。\n15 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请将这些替换为\n16 WA96。\n17 如果你可以——好的，谢谢。\n18 问：主题行是什么——嗯，首先，Gale 女士，这是\n19 什么类型的文件？\n20 答：看起来像是一封打印出来的电子邮件。\n21 问：主题行写了什么？\n22 答：Himalaya Exchange-Username Changed（喜马拉雅交易所-用户名已更改）。\n23 问：你能读出“收件人（To）”行上的名字以及姓氏的\n24 第一个字母吗？\n25 答：Alex H.。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 问：你能读一下下面电子邮件正文的前三行\n2 吗？\n3 在你读之前，“收件人”、“发件人”与\n4 电子邮件正文之间有什么？\n5 答：有一个，像是我推测是公司标识（logo）的东西。\n6 问：旁边写了——\n7 SHROFF 女士：反对证人作出的推测。\n8 法庭：反对成立。\n9 问：你在本页中间看到了什么（如果有的话）？\n10 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请放大\n11 它周围，谢谢。\n12 答：有一个——上面写着 Himalaya Exchange（喜马拉雅交易所），旁边带有\n13 一个小徽标。\n14 问：你知道 Himalaya Exchange 是什么吗？\n15 答：不知道。\n16 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请放大\n17 电子邮件的前三行，包括称呼语。\n18 问：Gale 女士，请读一下称呼语和第一句话。\n19\n20 答：“Hi Freedom Media Ventures Limited”，逗号。\n21 问：请读一下其下方电子邮件的第一行。\n22\n23 答：好的。“您的用户名及联络电子邮箱已由管理员从\n24 alexh@hchktech.com 更改为\n25 fmvlimited@proton.me。”\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请调出 110。\n2 110。\n3 Loftus 女士，请放大这份文件的\n4 右上角。\n5 问：Gale 女士，这份文件的右上角写着\n6 什么？\n7 答：ACA。\n8 问：你知道 ACA 是什么吗？\n9 答：不知道。\n10 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请回到完整\n11 文件。\n12 请放大接近底部的“敬启者（To Whom it May Concern）”\n13 下方。\n14 问：你能读一下以“特此证明（This is to certify）”开头的那一行吗？\n15 答：“特此证明瓦努阿图（VANUATU）护照号码为 RV058876\n16 的 WANG YAN PING（王雁平）的受雇详情如下：”\n17 问：其下方写着：“此致，ACA Capital\n18 Group Limited。”在“ACA Capital Group\n19 Limited”下方出现了什么？\n20 答：一个签名。\n21 问：签名下方出现了什么？\n22 答：姓名 William Je（余建明），行政总裁（Chief Executive）。\n23 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请把 WA69 和 72\n24 并排调出来，以及 114，这三个。\n25 问：WA69 这一项中显示了什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 主问\n1 答：那——那是左边的那一个吗？\n2 问：是的。那是左边的物品。\n3 答：是的。那是我们早先看到的保险柜里的那个绿色小拉链包。\n4\n5 问：保险柜里的这个绿色拉链包里面有什么？\n6 答：旅行证件。\n7 问：右边的是其中的两件吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：上面那件，WA72，是什么？\n10 答：一本护照。\n11 问：护照上的姓名是谁？\n12 答：名为 Y-A-N-P-I-N-G，姓为 Wang，W-A-N-G。\n13 问：现在看其下方的护照，114。\n14 答：名为 H-O 空格 W-A-N，姓为 K-W-O-K。\n15 问：这本护照是在你于 2023 年 3 月 15 日\n16 所在的公寓里找到的吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，请撤下这些，\n19 并调出 76-79。\n20 问：在这些调出来的同时，Gale 女士，你能告诉我们\n21 我们看到的是什么吗？\n22 答：可以。76 是一张爱马仕（Hermès）盒子和收据的照片。\n23 下一张是爱马仕丝巾，我想还有几个\n24 钱包；不确定是什么品牌。其他照片也是一样的。\n25 问：什么是 Hermès？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 反询问\n1 答：我认为是一个非常昂贵的品牌。\n2 霍顿先生（MR. HORTON）：洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），请放大右下角的\n3 图像。\n4 问：在那张图的顶部，盖尔女士（Ms. Gale），那些都是些什么？\n5 答：更多爱马仕（Hermès）的盒子。\n6 问：那天早上所有这些都在公寓里吗？\n7 答：是的。\n8 霍顿先生：请允许我稍等片刻，法官\n9 阁下。\n10 法庭：请便。\n11 霍顿先生：谢谢法官阁下。\n12 洛夫特斯女士，请撤下这幅图像。\n13 问：盖尔女士，2023年3月15日在这套公寓里，你大约拍了\n14 多少张照片？\n15 答：我不记得了。\n16 问：我们看完了你拍的所有照片了吗？\n17 答：没有。\n18 问：之前被采纳为证据的照片以及\n19 我今天向你展示的照片，你在挑选这些照片时\n20 起过任何作用吗？\n21 答：没有。\n22 问：在今天出庭作证之前，你与政府方（检方）大约会面了\n23 多少次（如果有的话）？\n24 答：几次。\n25 问：除了你今天的证言和你于2023年3月15日\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 反询问\n1 拍摄的照片之外，你还参与过本案的\n2 其他任何事项吗？\n3 答：没有。\n4 霍顿先生：没有其他问题了，法官阁下。\n5 法庭：进行反询问（Cross-examination）。\n6 施罗夫女士（MS. SHROFF）：谢谢法官阁下。\n7 反询问\n8 施罗夫女士发问：\n9 问：早上好，盖尔女士。\n10 答：早上好。\n11 问：盖尔女士，你在主询问中作证说你已经在\n12 联邦调查局（FBI）工作了五年，对吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 法庭：施罗夫女士，请对着麦克风\n15 说话。\n16 施罗夫女士：好的。\n17 问：在为联邦调查局工作之前，你为谁工作？\n18 答：我读大学时在联邦调查局当过实习生。\n19 问：那么女士，可以这么说吗，你只为\n20 联邦调查局工作过？\n21 答：我还做过其他实习和兼职工作。\n22 问：我指的是全职工作、受雇就业。\n23 答：是的。\n24 问：你只在联邦调查局工作过，对吗？\n25 答：没错。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO1 Gale - 反询问\n1 问：你刚才作证，当被问及与政府方会面了多少次时，\n2 你作证说是几次。对吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：那么作为一名联邦调查局特工，可以这么说吗，你会希望\n5 对构成你作证内容的信息做记录？\n6\n7 答：不。\n8 问：你不会希望有记录，以便使你的证言\n9 准确且完整？\n10 霍顿先生：反对。该问题已被问过并已回答。\n11 法庭：反对成立。所以施罗夫女士，你把问题\n12 只问一遍就好，不要重复。\n13 （续见下一页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 施罗夫女士发问：\n2 问：盖尔女士，你是否保存了一份你与霍顿先生会面的\n3 时间清单？\n4 答：没有。\n5 问：你是否保存了一份与霍顿先生每次会面\n6 时长的清单？\n7 答：没有。\n8 问：你是否保存了一份会面期间你与霍顿先生所做事项的\n9 清单？\n10 答：没有。\n11 问：那么如果可以的话，让我先向你展示标为\n12 被告方证据 7005（Defense Exhibit 7005）的文件，请你\n13 看一下。谢谢。\n14 你认得这张照片吗？\n15 答：认得。\n16 问：请问这是什么？\n17 答：这是一张上面有手写笔记的笔记本的照片。\n18 施罗夫女士：法官阁下，我申请将 DX7005 作为证据\n19 采纳，谢谢。\n20 霍顿先生：法官阁下，我们可以简短进行法官席前讨论（approach）吗？\n21 （续见下一页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 （在法官席旁讨论）\n2 霍顿先生：谢谢法官阁下。我们预见到辩方会将\n3 被告方证据 7005 号文件与我们展示的裁剪版本\n4 进行比对。我不记得确切的物证编号了。我们展示了这份文件的\n5 裁剪版本。这背后有相关的背景，那就是，\n6 我们与辩护律师进行了建设性的沟通，\n7 即就公寓拍照所涉及的部分文件上\n8 含有一些普通话中文（Mandarin）。因此我们与他们进行了反复沟通，我们可以\n9 对其进行遮蔽涂黑（redact）。我们也可以另行处理，以免使\n10 外语进入证据成为一个争议问题。我们针对\n11 如何处理进行了反复讨论。我们可以根据协议提供经过修改以\n12 去除普通话中文的文件版本，所以这就是为什么我们展示了\n13 以那种方式裁剪的文件。\n14 法庭：你说的裁剪（cropped），是指删除了部分内容？\n15\n16 霍顿先生：是的。所以现在作为辩方物证展示的\n17 三个笔记本图像，我们展示了相同的图像，但\n18 移除了含有普通话中文的笔记本。因此我们只展示了\n19 仅有英文的笔记本。\n20 法庭：你所说的裁剪，字面意思是指你裁剪了\n21 照片？\n22 霍顿先生：没错。为了排除普通话中文以\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 避免该问题，而且我们理解这是应辩护律师的\n2 要求或根据与辩护律师达成的协议进行的。\n3 施罗夫女士：辩护律师当时提出要求并非常明确地\n4 指出了“遮蔽涂黑（redacted）”这个词，而不是裁剪（cropped），是遮蔽涂黑。用词是\n5 遮蔽涂黑。他们的做法是——\n6 法庭：那么你能把包含“遮蔽涂黑”这个词的\n7 整句话告诉我吗？\n8 施罗夫女士：当然。我认为他们是在昨天的某个时候\n9 把文件发给我们的。我不记得具体时间了。上面\n10 有中文。我有这份文件。你可以看到\n11 中文在这里、这里、这里、上面这里。他们发给了我们一份\n12 带有翻译的副本。我们把这份文件连同其他待翻译的文件一起\n13 发出去进行翻译了。我们\n14 还没有收到翻译人员的完整回复。我们\n15 给政府方发了回信说，他们给了我们一个\n16 选择：要么我们使用他们的翻译，要么我们使用遮蔽涂黑的\n17 版本。我们说不行，在没有我们的翻译人员签字确认的情况下，\n18 我们不能同意一份翻译，因此我们同意使用\n19 遮蔽涂黑的版本，而不是裁剪的版本，是遮蔽涂黑。\n20 也就是你拿一张纸，把中文普通话\n21 遮蔽涂黑，然后你出示证据。显然在\n22 上次 1:00 时，他们发给了我们一个新版本，并作为证据\n23 引入。我没有看到这个新版本。而且\n24 我可以向您展示我的电子邮件。今天在进行主询问时，\n25 我才从一位初级律师（associate）那里拿到了那个版本。我给那位\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 初级律师回了邮件，说请遮蔽涂黑中文并\n2 把文件发给我。他们在裁剪时所做的是，他们\n3 裁掉了中共（CCP）。现在关于中共（CCP），我必须说这里的任何人都知道\n4 这会有相关性，因为是她写下来的。并且没有任何——\n5 我必须说，如果有人说辩方不想要中共（CCP），\n6 我会感到震惊。遮蔽涂黑的传统含义是，\n7 你进行遮蔽涂黑。你不能直接裁剪。因此我有权将此\n8 提交为证据。我从未同意过裁剪的版本。我从未同意\n9 切除某些内容。遮蔽涂黑就是遮蔽涂黑。而且我们\n10 都当了很久的律师了。我认为如果有任何\n11 协议，如果他们向我要求裁剪的版本，我\n12 是绝不会同意的。裁剪是大不一样的。而且您知道\n13 律师是靠什么谋生的，我们运用词汇，并且精确地运用词汇。\n14 所以我认为这是合法的反询问，法官阁下。\n15 芬克尔先生（MR. FINKEL）：施罗夫女士没有提出过，辩方团队的任何\n16 成员也没有提出过——包括昨晚收到电子邮件的那位初级律师（该律师也是执业律师）——\n17 如果提出要修改以满足他们关于证据中不出现外语的要求，\n18 我们本来是会照办的。\n19\n20 法庭：我没明白你在说什么。\n21 你是说包括邮件里的那位律师吗？\n22\n23 芬克尔先生：是的，法官阁下。请允许我说明，我们曾就\n24 这些图像进行了善意的协商和\n25 反复讨论。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 施罗夫女士：并没有。\n2 芬克尔先生：有的，施罗夫女士。\n3 法庭：请安静，我需要他发言，而不是你们\n4 两个人同时说。\n5 芬克尔先生：我们对辩方说，如果你们想保留\n6 普通话中文，我们就放进去。如果你们不想保留\n7 普通话中文，我们就遮蔽涂黑，不放进去。\n8 这取决于你们，或者我们可以做翻译。他们说他们\n9 不想把普通话中文放进去。因此我们修改了、裁剪了\n10 这份文件，在上面进行了遮蔽，使普通话中文不会\n11 进来。我们是应他们的要求这么做的。现在他们要把\n12 我们为了满足其要求所做的事拿来向陪审团暗示\n13 我们向他们隐瞒了信息。这是完全\n14 不恰当的。\n15 法庭：让我们倒回去看。你承认他们\n16 要求提供一份遮蔽涂黑的文件吗？\n17 施罗夫女士：这是电子邮件——\n18 法庭：等一下，施罗夫女士。不要打断我说话。\n19\n20 芬克尔先生：法官阁下，是的。我们使用了“遮蔽涂黑”\n21 这个词。确实完全是这样。但是，而且我认为这很\n22 重要，我们曾就这一问题与辩方进行了善意的协商。\n23 为了满足他们的要求，我们移除了\n24 普通话中文。对于这张图片来说，裁剪比\n25 遮蔽涂黑更容易操作。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 法庭：那是截然不同的。这是一个\n2 问题。他们有权知道，陪审团有权\n3 知道缺少了字句。\n4 芬克尔先生：但是，法官阁下，我们现在是应他们的\n5 要求这么做的。\n6 法庭：等一下。他们要求的是\n7 遮蔽涂黑，而不是裁剪剔除。这是截然不同的结果。\n8 施罗夫女士：法官阁下，我可以补充一点吗？\n9 法庭：不行，先等一下。芬克尔先生，你还有\n10 什么要补充的吗？\n11 芬克尔先生：法官阁下，坦白讲，我对\n12 此感到失望，因为我们与他们进行过讨论。如果他们当时说：\n13 你们能改用遮蔽涂黑的版本吗，我们本来是会照办的。\n14 我们在这里并没有搞任何策略花招。我们并不是\n15 试图删掉中共（CCP）或诸如此类的东西。我们尽力满足了\n16 他们的要求。我理解法官阁下的意思。\n17 法庭：还有其他被裁剪的文件吗？\n18\n19 霍顿先生：我认为没有了，没有。\n20 法庭：其余所有内容都是遮蔽涂黑的？\n21 霍顿先生：是的。\n22 法庭：你必须承受这项反询问了。\n23\n24 施罗夫女士：法官阁下，而且中共（CCP）是用英文写的。\n25 芬克尔先生：法官阁下，他们当然不能\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 去辩称——因为我们裁剪的原因是为了\n2 满足他们的要求。他们不应该被允许辩称我们\n3 这样做是为了向陪审团隐瞒任何事情，因为那不是我们\n4 这样做的原因。那将是不公平且不恰当的。\n5 法庭：那将是完全不公平的。你可以\n6 说他们遗漏了文件的一部分，但暗示\n7 存在恶意是不妥当的。\n8 施罗夫女士：法官阁下，就此我可以陈述意见吗？\n9 法庭：可以。\n10 施罗夫女士：同样，这里有一封电子邮件——\n11 芬克尔先生：是你们遗漏的。\n12 施罗夫女士：请让我说完。\n13 法庭：请让她说。\n14 施罗夫女士：中共（CCP）是英文。字母是\n15 英文。不是普通话中文。他们可以裁掉——\n16 我们同意即使你想要——这是电子邮件的内容：“鉴于\n17 该证人的出庭时间，我们要求你们直接遮蔽涂黑\n18 你们计划明天引入的 GXW 物证中可见的普通话中文，\n19 据我们理解是 GW，然后我们把它们列举出来。”中共（CCP）是英文。\n20\n21 法庭：施罗夫女士，我不需要你在我说话时\n22 抢话。这是不礼貌的。\n23 施罗夫女士：我没有抢您的话。\n24 法庭：是的，你刚才打断了我说话。\n25 施罗夫女士：我不是故意的，法官阁下。我确实认为\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 CCP是英文。\n2 法庭：现在请肃静。这是个问题。她\n3 可以在这点上进行反向质询，但你不能暗示他们是在\n4 试图隐瞒什么，因为那会造成恶意\n5 的印象。他们以这种方式处理\n6 是他们的失误。这是他们的失误。\n7 施罗夫女士（MS. SHROFF）：法官阁下，CCP是英文。这不是\n8 失误。\n9 法庭：我的意思是你可以反向质询，\n10 你可以说，该文件的一部分没有展示。你\n11 也可以提及它包含该英文字样以及\n12 中文字符这一事实。这没问题。但如果进一步并在\n13 总结陈词中辩称这是蓄意恶意为之，不行，你\n14 不能这样做。就这样。讨论结束。\n15 （续见下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 （在公开法庭上）\n2 法庭：异议驳回。更正，异议\n3 成立。抱歉。请继续。\n4 施罗夫女士：法官阁下，我申请将DX7005作为证据\n5 采纳。\n6 霍顿先生（MR. HORTON）：反对。\n7 法庭：抱歉。我澄清一下。基于\n8 边裁协商，检方对采纳\n9 该文件的异议被驳回。请继续。\n10 （被告第7005号物证被采纳为证据）\n11 施罗夫女士：我现在可以向陪审团出示吗？\n12 法庭：可以。请继续。可以。\n13 由施罗夫女士询问：\n14 问：盖尔女士（Ms. Gale），你认得这张照片吗？\n15 答：我认得这张照片，不认得遮挡它的黑色部分。\n16 问：你不认得黑色的遮挡？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：涂黑遮盖部分？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：好的。如果我向你出示标记为\n21 政府物证——我认为是第68号物证。\n22 霍顿先生：法官阁下，我们对此提出异议，\n23 因为这违反了我们对边裁协商裁定的理解，即\n24 出示的目的。\n25 法庭：抱歉。我没听清你说什么，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 施罗夫女士。\n2 施罗夫女士：我问下一项，法官阁下。\n3 法庭：请继续。\n4 问：那么让我从写有Max的便签本开始，对吗？\n5 答：是的，看起来像最下面的那个。\n6 问：是你把这三本便签本摆成这样的吗？\n7 答：我不记得了。\n8 问：你拍照是为了在审判中作为证据向陪审团\n9 出示，对吗？\n10 答：我是搜查当天探员给我什么，我就\n11 拍什么的照片。\n12 问：目的是什么？\n13 答：为了记录归档。\n14 问：目的是什么？\n15 霍顿先生：反对，已问过且已回答。\n16 法庭：异议成立。\n17 问：FBI（联邦调查局）收集证据，对吗？\n18 答：对。\n19 问：FBI收集证据是因为有朝一日它将在法庭上\n20 用来指控他人，对吗？\n21 答：有这种可能。\n22 问：而且你希望证据是准确的，对吗？\n23 答：你说的准确是什么意思？\n24 问：我的意思就是准确。你希望你的记录是准确的，\n25 对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 答：照片记录表？\n2 问：是的。\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：而且你希望你的照片是准确的，对吗？\n5 答：照片只是现场有什么就拍什么。\n6 问：而且是完整的，对吗？\n7 答：我不确定你说的完整是什么意思。\n8 问：那么，以单词“Max”开头的第一个便签本的照片\n9 是完整的吗？你能看到整页吗？\n10 答：不能，你看不到整页。\n11 问：你能看到第二个便签本的整页吗？我\n12 不知道。它不是大号便签，但管它呢，办公尺寸的便签本？\n13 答：看不到。\n14 问：那第三个呢？\n15 答：能，第三个可以。\n16 问：盖尔女士，可以公平地说，在您\n17 拍照的时候，公寓里有FBI探员吗？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：公寓里有执行搜查的\n20 FBI探员，对吗？\n21 答：是的，有几个。\n22 问：有几个探员把这些东西摆出来供你\n23 拍照；这样说公平吗？\n24 答：是的，他们可能说你可以给这些拍张照片。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 问：而且你可以与他们交流，因为你们都是\n2 同一个团队的，对吗？\n3 答：对。\n4 问：现场没有辩护律师，对吗？\n5 答：没有。\n6 问：本来可以说，咱们把每个便签本\n7 单独拍张照，对吗？\n8 法庭：不要问她本来可能怎样。我不\n9 希望你提出引发臆测的问题。\n10 问：所以你没有以能让我们看到以Max开头的\n11 文件第一页完整内容的方式拍摄该便签本，\n12 对吗？\n13 答：我不记得除了这张之外是否单独给它拍过照片。\n14 问：那写着“Thank you”的第二个呢，你\n15 记得是否给它拍过照片吗？\n16 答：我不记得我是否单独拍过照片。\n17 问：我们来看看第三份文件，第三个便签本，\n18 对吧，你看到了吗？\n19 答：看到了。\n20 问：你看到上面有很多手写字迹，对吧？\n21 答：对。\n22 问：在角落的框里你看到那边的那个小框，\n23 如果我把它放大给你看，也许也能帮到\n24 陪审团。\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 答：在页面右边？\n2 问：是的，女士。\n3 答：是的，我看到了。\n4 问：那上面写着什么，能读给我听听吗？\n5 答：Civil，civil rights（民权）。\n6 问：那下面呢？\n7 答：写着SEC（证券交易委员会），但其余部分被涂黑遮盖了。\n8 问：那再下面呢？\n9 答：在框里？\n10 问：是的。\n11 答：要么写着CCP要么写着COP，然后被涂黑遮盖了。\n12 问：所以它写着——紧挨着CCP这个词的右边是什么，旁边\n13 是什么？\n14 答：涂黑遮盖，然后——\n15 问：然后是一个勾号，对吗？\n16 答：我认为写的是IA，然后是井号，可能是一个\n17 勾号。\n18 问：我们回到页面上方。\n19 你看到上面的日期10/17 Saturday（周六），对吧？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：而且你不知道是哪一年，对吗？\n22 答：我不知道那是月和日还是月和\n23 年，10/17两者都有可能。\n24 问：可能是2017年10月，也可能是10月17日，那是\n25 你的证词？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：另一个也是同样的情况，对吧，October 19（10月19日），\n3 对吧？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：可能是2019年，对吧？\n6 答：对。\n7 问：更符合逻辑的应该是10月17日，也就是星期六？\n8 霍顿先生：反对发表评论。\n9 施罗夫女士：这是个问题。\n10 法庭：异议成立。\n11 问：好的。10月17日是星期六，那么10月18日\n12 是什么？\n13 答：星期日。\n14 问：10月19日是什么？\n15 答：星期一。\n16 问：那么我们往下看。请就停留在同一页上，\n17 第三个，第三个便签本或本子，不管叫什么。\n18 如果你能读给我听，你看到写着G/Club EIN的地方了吗？\n19 答：看到了。\n20 问：你知道那是什么意思吗？\n21 答：不知道。\n22 问：那G Fashion呢，然后有一个电话号码，\n23 对吗？我读得对吗？是一个电话号码吗？\n24 答：看起来像个电话号码，是的。\n25 问：你知道那是什么意思吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 答：不知道。\n2 问：然后写着G/Club，而且看起来像，我不知道\n3 那个词是什么，Square、Paypal和电汇，对吧？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：现在我可以把角上写着CCP的\n6 整个页面缩放缩小吗。\n7 你有没有翻过那页并给下一页\n8 拍了照？\n9 答：我不记得了。\n10 问：那么，当你和霍顿先生一起审查这张照片时，它\n11 是你和他一起审查的众多照片之一吗？\n12 答：我不记得我是否和他审查过这张。你是\n13 指在直接询问中吗？\n14 问：不，不。我是指你在你办公室\n15 或他办公室与他见面的那些时候。我不知道在哪里？\n16 答：我不知道我们是否审查过这张。\n17 问：我们来看看有——我们来看看第68号，\n18 好的。你看到这张了吗？你记得你是否在\n19 他的办公室里和他一起审查过这张？\n20 答：我不记得了。\n21 问：而且他在直接询问中问了你，对吧——\n22 答：是的，我们在直接询问中审查过这个。\n23 问：如果你不介意的话，请帮我看一下右边那列。\n24 答：好的，total HCN（HCN总额）列。\n25 问：你在直接询问中作证说这些是美元金额，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 对吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：你并不知道它们实际上是美元金额，\n4 对吗？\n5 答：顶部写着USD，通常代表\n6 美元。\n7 问：但是看一下出现这些数字的右侧列，\n8 那上面写着USDO吗？\n9 答：没有。\n10 问：上面写着什么？\n11 答：Total HCN。\n12 问：HCN对你来说是什么意思？\n13 答：我不知道。\n14 问：所以这些是数字，对吧？它们在一列\n15 标有total HCN的栏目下，对吧？\n16 答：对。\n17 问：而且这是HCN的数量，不是美元，对吧？\n18 答：我想是的。\n19 问：没必要猜。250,000或无论那是多少的数字前面\n20 都没有美元符号，对吧？\n21 答：没有美元符号。\n22 霍顿先生：反对，法官阁下。\n23 法庭：不要自己作证。\n24 问：这一列前面有美元符号吗？\n25 霍顿先生：已问过且已回答。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 法庭：异议成立。\n2 问：有英镑符号吗？\n3 答：没有。\n4 问：有纯银币/斯特林符号吗？\n5 答：没有。\n6 问：有日元符号吗？\n7 霍顿先生：反对。\n8 法庭：异议成立。\n9 问：所以这一列上的美元金额是按每个10美分算的，\n10 对吧？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：那你可以把那个撤下了。如果我们可以向\n13 盖尔女士出示政府向她出示过的现金照片。\n14 你记得就公寓里发现的现金作证吗？\n15 答：记得。\n16 问：你知道那是谁的公寓吗？\n17 答：我不记得了。\n18 问：在你与霍顿先生会面的那些时间里，你们\n19 讨论过那是谁的公寓吗？\n20 答：没有。\n21 问：你们讨论过有多少人住在那里吗？\n22 答：没有。\n23 问：你们讨论过你是怎么去拍摄那些现金的照片的\n24 吗？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - Cross\n1 答：可能有人在搜查中发现了它，并让我给它\n2 拍照。\n3 问：你说“可能”，这是否意味着你真的不\n4 记得了？\n5 答：不，我确实记得当他们在保险箱里发现现金时，有人\n6 让我给现金拍照。\n7 问：当你拍摄这张照片时，你有没有做记录说明你\n8 拍照时人在哪里？\n9 答：在照片记录表上应该注明了这是在哪个房间。\n10 问：我的问题是你做了记录吗？\n11 霍顿先生：反对。\n12 法庭：异议驳回。你可以回答。\n13 答：我当时没有做照片记录表，没有，所以我个人\n14 没有做记录。\n15 问：那么你知道当保险箱刚被打开时，\n16 那个小袋在保险箱里是什么样子的吗？\n17 答：它看起来就像照片里那样，当我们——\n18 问：那么，他们打开保险箱时你在场吗？\n19 答：我不记得我是否在那个房间里，但我在\n20 公寓里。\n21 问：所以你不知道它是否看起来像这样，因为你当时不在\n22 场，对吗？\n23 答：他们在移动任何东西之前让我给它拍了照。\n24 问：女士，请听我的问题。\n25 霍顿先生：反对，已问过且已回答。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 施罗夫女士（MS. SHROFF）：我请求予以剔除。这\n2 不属于针对性回答。\n3 霍顿先生（MR. HORTON）：这是有针对性的回答。我们提出异议。\n4 法庭（THE COURT）：异议驳回。你可以回答。\n5 问：那我换个方式来问。那个保险箱当时是锁着的吗？\n6 答：我不记得了。\n7 问：那个保险箱是怎么打开的？\n8 答：我不记得了。\n9 问：你的意思是你记不得了，还是你的意思是你不知道？\n10\n11 霍顿先生：反对。\n12 法庭：异议驳回。你可以回答。\n13 答：我不记得了。\n14 问：所以打开保险箱时你在场，但你已经不再记得它是怎么打开的了？\n15\n16 答：我不记得当时保险箱被发现并打开时我是否在那个房间里，还是说我在另一个房间，当他们发现并打开它时才叫我过去的。\n17\n18\n19 问：我只是想了解一下这个过程。\n20 如果你在另一个房间拍照，\n21 而他们打开了保险箱，他们就会直接让你\n22 放下手头的任务跑去保险箱那里吗？\n23 法庭：你不能问“他们会不会”。问题应该是“他们有没有”。\n24\n25 问：他们有这样做吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 答：我不记得我当时在不在那个房间里。如果我不在，\n2 他们会控制住保险箱不去碰它，直到我完成\n3 当时正在做的任何任务，然后过来按照\n4 他们从里面拿出东西之前的原本样貌拍照。\n5 问：我们这样看。你说过他们不会去碰它，\n6 对吧，你刚才就是这么说的，对吗？\n7 答：我不记得了。\n8 问：所以他们是有可能碰过它的，对吧？\n9 霍顿先生：反对。\n10 法庭：不要要求进行推测。\n11 问：你看到左边那张照片紧挨着的那张照片了吗？\n12 答：小包打开的那张，看到了。\n13 问：所以那个小包被移动过，对吧？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：它被打开了，对吧？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：然后拍下了这个打开的小包的照片，对吧？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：今天坐在证人席上，你无法告诉陪审团\n20 在你拍照之前是否有任何面额的钞票被拿出来过，对吧，因为你当时不在场？\n21\n22 答：我也许在场。我只是不记得了。\n23 问：这张特定照片里有多少种面额？\n24 答：我不知道。\n25 问：你知道那些纸币是哪一年的吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 答：我不知道。\n2 问：你知道它们是不是 2003 年的吗？\n3 答：我不知道。\n4 问：那些红信封呢，你看到了吗？\n5 答：我看到了。\n6 问：你知道它们在中国文化中象征着什么吗？\n7 答：我不知道。\n8 问：你知道每一个信封上面的图案是什么吗？\n9\n10 答：我不知道。\n11 问：我们看一下下一张钱币的照片。你看到\n12 现在它们全都被扇形展开了吗？\n13 答：看到了。\n14 问：是谁把它们展开成扇形的？\n15 答：可能是发现它们的探员展开的。\n16 问：如果你不知道，你直接说我不知道就行。“可能”不是一个恰当的回答。\n17\n18 霍顿先生：反对。\n19 法庭：不要推测，不要猜测，不要说\n20 可能会怎样。如果你知道答案，就说出来。如果你\n21 不知道，你可以说不知道或者不记得了。\n22 证人（THE WITNESS）：好的。\n23 法庭：继续。\n24 问：你不知道，对吧？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 问：这里面有 20 元面额的，对吧？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：有 50 元面额的，对吧？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：有 100 元面额的，对吧？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：在那个角落你可以看到是外币，对吧？\n8\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：右侧有一份普通话（Mandarin）文件，对吧？\n11\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：你根本不知道上面写了什么，对吧？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：而且很显然这些钱不是在床上发现的，对吧？\n16 答：它们来自保险箱里的小包，是的。\n17 问：你知道是谁把它们放在床上的吗？\n18 答：我不知道。\n19 问：刚才向你出示了一两份关于护照的文件。\n20 你还记得吗？\n21 答：记得。\n22 问：而且我认为——你可以把这张拿下来了。谢谢。\n23 而且你作证说你并不认识护照上所显示的任何一个人，对吧？\n24\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 问：你只是因为某个探员让你拍照你就拍了；是这样吗？\n2\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：你还记得给霍顿先生拼读了瓦努阿图（Vanuatu），\n5 V-A-N-U-A-T-U，对吧？\n6 答：我想是的。\n7 问：你知道那是什么吗？\n8 答：我不知道。\n9 问：你知道它是不是一个国家吗？\n10 答：我完全不知道。\n11 问：当你读到它时，你之后去查过了吗？\n12 答：我没有。\n13 问：请调到第 76 号。你就这张照片作过证，对吧？\n14\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：当你就这张照片作证时，你说这是爱马仕（Hermes），我想是一个非常昂贵的品牌，对吧？\n17\n18 答：我确实说过。\n19 问：那么，这里的每个盒子下面是什么东西？\n20 答：标签或收据。\n21 问：你知道它们到底是标签还是收据，还是你在猜测？\n22\n23 答：我无法确定。\n24 问：在你看来这些像是礼品盒吗？\n25 答：我无法确定。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 问：我们看下一张照片。你看到这里的这张照片。\n2 我看不到编号。我想是第 77 号。每个盒子都是你拆开的吗？\n3\n4 答：我不认为所有盒子都被拆开了。\n5 问：请求予以剔除。请允许我再问你一遍。\n6 法庭：该回答予以剔除。继续并\n7 回答她提出的问题。听清问题并针对所问的具体问题作答。\n8\n9 问：每个盒子都是你拆开的吗？\n10 答：我记得我帮忙拆开过其中的一些，是的。\n11 问：它们顶部都系着蝴蝶结吗？\n12 答：我相信其中一些是系着的。\n13 问：那么我们向你出示第 78 号。我想是下一张围巾的照片。\n14 你在这张照片里正好看到包的正下方，你看到了吗？\n15\n16 答：那些蝴蝶结？\n17 问：对。\n18 答：看到了。\n19 问：那些就是用来系盒子的蝴蝶结，对吧？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：上面写着爱马仕（Hermes）？\n22 答：我看不太清，但——是的，我想是的。\n23 问：我们来看看这张照片。我们来看看棕色的那条，好吗。\n24 在你的记忆中，围巾原本就是这样放在盒子里的吗？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：我只是想确认一下。你的记忆中标签是在上方的吗？\n3\n4 霍顿先生：反对，该问题已经问过并已回答。\n5 法庭：异议成立。\n6 问：标签是在上方吗？\n7 霍顿先生：反对，该问题已经问过并已回答。\n8 法庭：异议成立。\n9 问：我们来看看橙色的那个。\n10 卡片上写着什么？\n11 答：抱歉。我读不出来。\n12 问：你拍过卡片本身写了什么的照片吗？\n13 答：我不记得拍没拍过。最底下，签名之前上面的最后一个词写着 holidays（节日/假期）。\n14\n15 问：我们向下滚动一下。我们来看看那个——你看到那个灰色的、上面带有一些漂亮的小花朵的那个了吗？\n16\n17\n18 答：中间那个？\n19 问：是的。\n20 答：看到了。\n21 问：在你的记忆中，打开盒子的时候标签是露出来的吗？\n22\n23 答：我不记得具体情况了，但我不记得移动过盒子里面的任何围巾。\n24\n25 问：你在交叉询问中刚刚作证说你并没有打开每一个盒子，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1 对吧？\n2 答：我帮忙拆了其中一些，对吧？\n3 问：而且你不知道你帮忙拆了哪些，对吧？\n4 答：是的，我不记得了。\n5 问：能向下滚动一下吗。你看到放在盒子附近的那些钱包了吗？\n6\n7 答：看到了。\n8 问：是你把它们放在那里的吗？\n9 答：我不记得了。\n10 问：你知道它们到底是不是爱马仕钱包吗？\n11 答：我不知道。\n12 问：我最后再看一次整张完整照片。你看到右上角和左下角都显示着同样的棕色胶带，对吧？\n13\n14\n15 答：抱歉。是照片的顶角吗？\n16 问：棕色围巾正上方的顶角，以及右手边靠近那条彩虹色围巾的地方？\n17\n18 答：噢，是丝带。\n19 问：这个词用得好多了。礼品丝带就是盒子丝带，你有没有为每个盒子收集每条丝带？\n20\n21 答：我不记得了。\n22 问：他们有没有让你把这套公寓里发现的所有盒子上的所有丝带都拍下来？\n23\n24 答：我不记得了。\n25 问：你在公寓里发现的每张卡片你都拍照了吗，还是你只——我就问到这里。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1\n2 你发现的每张卡片你都拍照了吗？\n3 答：我不记得了。\n4 问：你可以把那张拿下来了。谢谢。请调到第 41 号。\n5 你也就这张照片作过证，对吧？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：他们问过你，那边的霍顿先生问过，“MK”代表什么，对吧？\n8\n9 法庭：请稍候。\n10 陪审员（JUROR）：我们应该能看到这个吗？\n11 法庭：这些已经向陪审员展示了吗？\n12 陪审员：我们什么都没看到。\n13 法庭：那我们把它展示出来。\n14 施罗夫女士：法官阁下，如果陪审团没看到，我可以退回去吗。我不会重过一遍证言，但我可以把每张照片都向他们出示吗？\n15\n16\n17 法庭：可以。\n18 施罗夫女士：请允许我退回去。陪审员们能看到了吗？\n19\n20 陪审员：看到了。\n21 施罗夫女士：法官阁下，请允许我。我能指出这就是卡片——\n22\n23 法庭：如果可以的话，请先确定证物的编号。\n24\n25 施罗夫女士：谢谢。这是展示了围巾、标签、丝带和钱包的第 78 号证物。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1\n2 如果可以让陪审员看一下第 77 号。这些展示了围巾以及放在上面的钱包。这是第 76 号，证人曾作证说不清楚——\n3\n4\n5 霍顿先生：反对施罗夫女士发表证言。\n6 法庭：施罗夫女士，请大声一点。\n7 施罗夫女士：我不想重复证言，这已经被讨论过了——\n8\n9 霍顿先生：反对，她在总结证言。这是不当的。\n10\n11 法庭：你有问题要问吗，施罗夫女士？\n12 由施罗夫女士继续询问：\n13 问：你是一名特别探员（Special Agent）吗？我应该称呼你为特别探员吗？\n14\n15 答：不是，职务名称是 SOS（现场业务专员）。\n16 问：所以这些盒子底部显示的是标签或收据，而你不知道是两者中的哪一个，对吧？\n17\n18 答：是的，我之前就是这么说的。\n19 问：我就继续了，法官阁下。感谢给我这个机会。请翻到，我想我刚才问到了厨房里的 USB 闪存盘。好的。谢谢。\n20\n21\n22 当你拍这张照片时，你是否了解这些 USB 闪存盘有多久历史了？\n23\n24 答：不知道，我并不了解。\n25 问：你看到右边那里的标签了，写着“复制杰西卡的文件”（copy Jessica's files），对吧？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 交叉询问\n1\n2 答：我确实看到了。\n3 问：你知道杰西卡是谁吗？\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 问：在最右边的角落还有另一个带有红色手写字迹的 USB 闪存盘，对吧？你看到角落里的那个了吗？\n6\n7 答：看到了。\n8 问：你知道上面写着什么吗？\n9 答：我不知道。\n10 问：请你看一下照片的左侧。那些是食品，对吧，还是请你告诉我那是什么？\n11\n12 那是什么，你知道吗？\n13 答：我不知道。\n14 问：能否请你重新缩小画面。请让我看一下紧接着后面的那张照片。你看到所有这些 USB 闪存盘是如何排成一行的吗？\n15\n16\n17 答：我确实看到了。\n18 问：右边角落里、最右边写着绿色字迹的那一个是哪一个？\n19\n20 答：其中最大的部分写着 NYC。\n21 问：你知道里面存了什么吗？\n22 答：我不知道。\n23 问：而且，显而易见，你在下载这些 USB 闪存盘或类似事情中没有参与任何工作，对吧？\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 答：对，我没有。\n2 问：现在，请看第 26 号文件。关于这份文件，\n3 你之前作证过，对吗？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：可以这么说吗，你曾在 Horton 先生（霍顿）的办公室里和他一起审阅过这份文件？\n6\n7 答：我以前见过。\n8 问：见过几次？\n9 答：一次。\n10 问：你有没有过一遍今天在法庭上他会让你读的内容？\n11\n12 答：没有。\n13 问：所以他只是在法庭上高亮标出某些内容，然后你就\n14 当着陪审团的面大声朗读出来？\n15 HORTON 先生：反对。\n16 法庭：反对成立。\n17 问：你还记得你的直接询问吗？\n18 答：记得。\n19 问：如果你能随便高亮标出任何一行，随便选一行。\n20 所以你的角色就是大声读出他高亮标出的那一行，\n21 对吗？\n22 答：我刚才确实是这么做的，是的。\n23 问：而且你对这些文件上的任何数据都一无所知，\n24 对吗？\n25 答：是的，我不了解。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 问：我们可以把它撤下来了。现在，请调出第 30 号\n2 文件。你看到顶上角落里的那个数字了吗？\n3 答：手写的那个数字吗？\n4 问：是的，请看那个。\n5 答：看到了。\n6 问：那代表什么？\n7 答：上面写着 2/10。\n8 问：你对 2/10 的理解是什么？\n9 答：我不知道。\n10 问：你根本不知道它是什么意思？\n11 答：它可能有多种含义。\n12 问：好的。这很合理。谢谢。你可以把那个撤下来了。\n13\n14 之前向你出示了第 91 号和第 92 号文件，对吗，\n15 请把它们调出来。\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：可以这么说吗，你并不知道这份文件是什么意思，\n18 对吧？\n19 答：对。\n20 问：有人叫你拍照。你就拍了\n21 照片？\n22 答：对。\n23 问：然后你来到这里大声读了出来？\n24 答：对。\n25 问：好的。你可以把那个撤下来了。谢谢。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1 现在，Horton 先生在他的直接询问作证期间问过你，\n2 有一些你拍的照片并没有作为证据提交，\n3 对吗？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：你没有选择在庭审中展示哪些照片，对吗？\n6 答：我没有选择。\n7 问：你自己也没有排除任何照片，对吗？\n8 答：对。\n9 问：而且你陈述过你是在 2023 年 3 月 15 日拍摄这些照片的，\n10 对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：你根本不知道 2023 年 3 月 15 日发生了什么，对吗？\n13 答：除了我那天在做的事情之外？\n14 问：是的。\n15 答：我不知道。\n16 SHROFF 女士（施罗夫）：法官阁下，能给我一点时间吗？\n17 法庭：可以。\n18 问：Gale 女士（盖尔），你记得曾向你出示过一些钱包的照片吗？\n19\n20 答：记得。\n21 问：你有没有打开过那些钱包？\n22 答：我不记得了。\n23 问：你知道钱包里装了什么吗？\n24 答：我不记得了。\n25 问：在你今天作证之前，你最后一次与 Horton 先生会面是什么时候？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 反询问\n1\n2 答：上周。\n3 问：今天早上呢？\n4 答：我们今天早上没有会面。\n5 问：昨天呢？\n6 答：没有。\n7 问：你昨天和他说话了吗？\n8 答：我确实见到他了，是的。\n9 问：我没听清。\n10 答：我确实见到他了，但我们没有开会。\n11 问：你见到他了？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：但你们没有说话？\n14 答：对，我们没有开会。我当时在等候看\n15 是否会被传唤到这里。\n16 问：在那之前，你最后一次与 Horton 先生一起准备作证是什么时候？\n17\n18 答：我相信是上周。\n19 问：除了 Horton 先生，你还和别人一起准备过吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：还有谁？\n22 答：有另一位律师进来问了几个\n23 问题。\n24 问：你今天在法庭上看到那位律师了吗？\n25 答：她不在席位上。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 再直接询问\n1 问：所以是一位现在不在这个席位上的律师？我\n2 只是想确认我理解正确了。\n3 答：对。\n4 问：当时有 FBI（联邦调查局）特别探员在场吗？\n5 答：是的，有一位在场。\n6 问：哪位 FBI 特别探员？\n7 答：我现在没看到他坐在法庭里。\n8 问：你知道他的名字吗？\n9 答：Nick（尼克）。我不记得他的姓氏了。\n10 问：你们会面了多久？\n11 答：视情况而定。我想大概半小时左右。\n12 问：可以这么说吗，你没有和辩方席上的任何人一起审阅过任何照片，\n13 对吧？\n14 答：对。\n15 SHROFF 女士：法官阁下，我没有其他问题了。\n16 法庭：再直接询问。\n17 再直接询问\n18 由 HORTON 先生进行：\n19 问：Gale 女士，那天早上大约有多少人参与了对该公寓的搜查？\n20\n21 答：我不记得确切的人数。\n22 问：大约有多少人？\n23 答：5 人以上，少于 20 人。\n24 问：那些不同的人在搜查期间是否有不同的分工？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 再直接询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：Loftus 女士（洛夫特斯），请调出 GX Stip 4。\n3 GX Stip 4 已经作为证据采纳，内容显示在 2023 年 3 月 15 日，\n4 特别探员和其他 FBI 雇员对纽约州纽约市东 64 街 188 号 1601 室公寓\n5 执行了合法搜查。并且记载在搜查过程中，FBI\n6 人员对纽约州纽约市东 64 街 188 号 1601 室公寓的\n7 内部空间进行了拍照，并合法扣押了\n8 物品、文件和电子设备。GXWA-1 至\n9 ——这里应该写的是 WA135——\n10\n11 SHROFF 女士：反对，法官阁下，我们可以进行边裁辩论吗，因为这显然超出了范围。\n12\n13 法庭：反对无效。你可以继续。\n14 HORTON 先生：双方商定的协议事实继续写道，\n15 GXWA-1 至 GX——这里应该写的是 WA-135，是\n16 一名 FBI 摄影人员于 2023 年 3 月 15 日执行搜查时合法拍摄的、\n17 真实准确反映 64 街 188 号 1601 室公寓内部空间的照片。\n18\n19 问：那位 FBI 摄影人员就是你吗，Gale 女士？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：Loftus 女士，请调出 WA-30 至 33，并放大\n22 WA-30。\n23 Gale 女士，请看 WA-30 左上方。上面写着\n24 2019 年至 2023 年汇总，ROLF 及 ROLS 的所有捐款。那是\n25 一整页的文件，就在那里，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 再反询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：WA30 至 33，这四页是装订在\n3 一起的一份文件吗？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：Gale 女士，你之前在文件上作证提到的那辆红色兰博基尼，\n6 你知道 FBI 是在哪里找到那辆兰博基尼的吗？\n7\n8 答：我不知道。\n9 SHROFF 女士：反对。\n10 法庭：反对无效。\n11 HORTON 先生：没有其他问题了。\n12 法庭：再反询问。\n13 再反询问\n14 由 SHROFF 女士进行：\n15 问：请把那份协议事实重新调出来。在今天之前你读过这份文件吗？\n16\n17 答：搜查令吗？\n18 问：女士，那不是搜查令。我问的是你面前作为 GX Stip-4 的\n19 那份文件？\n20 答：没有，我没读过。\n21 问：你没有读过，对吗？\n22 答：对。\n23 问：所以当 Horton 先生高亮标出并大声读给你听时，\n24 他只是在读一份文件给你听，对吧？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 再反询问\n1 问：你自己对这份文件是关于什么的没有任何了解，\n2 对吗？\n3 答：我以前从来没见过它。\n4 问：事实上，你刚才还称它为搜查令，对吗？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：我们看最后一页。你看到了吗？\n7 答：我看到了。\n8 问：你知道 Sidhardha Kamaraju（悉达多·卡马拉朱）是谁吗？\n9 答：不知道。\n10 问：你可以把它撤下来了。我们看 30 到 33。\n11 Horton 先生问了你关于这份文件的问题，\n12 对吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：这份文件是以这种方式展示给你的，对吗？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：在左手边，对吧？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：今天坐在这里，你还记得是谁把第一页翻过去的吗，\n19 是谁把它翻开的？\n20 答：我不记得了。\n21 问：那第二页呢，你记得是否有人把它翻过去了吗？\n22\n23 答：我不记得了。\n24 问：你知道在这份文件的最后背面上是否有\n25 写什么字吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Gale - 再反询问\n1 答：我不知道。\n2 问：你知道在那是份文件的最后是否有任何手写批注吗？\n3\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 问：除了他向你展示的内容之外，你对这些一无所知，\n6 对吗？\n7 HORTON 先生：反对，已问过且已回答。\n8 法庭：反对成立。\n9 问：你看到首页角落里的 2/10 了吗？\n10 答：我看到了。\n11 问：在其余任何页面上有任何此类标识吗？\n12\n13 答：根据照片来看，似乎没有。\n14 问：你记得在反询问中曾向你出示过一份写着\n15 10/17 和 1/19 的文件，对吗？\n16 答：是的。\n17 HORTON 先生：就范围提出反对。\n18 法庭：反对无效。你可以继续。\n19 问：而且你记得你曾作证说，如果不看底部那个，你甚至说不出那是\n20 10 月 17 日还是 2017 年 10 月，对吗？\n21 答：不看底部那个的话，两种都有可能。\n22\n23 SHROFF 女士：我没有其他问题了。\n24 HORTON 先生：法官阁下，简单问几句。\n25 再直接询问\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 再反询问 - Gale\n1 由 HORTON 先生进行：\n2 问：Loftus 女士，请调出 GXWA-30，并放大\n3 右上方。\n4 这份文件是 2019 年至 2023 年所有捐款的\n5 汇总。Loftus 女士，请放大右上方。\n6 Gale 女士，上面的日期、月份和年份是什么？\n7 SHROFF 女士：反对。她从未作证说那是一个\n8 日期。\n9 HORTON 先生：法官阁下，这已作为证据采纳。\n10 法庭：我还没听到具体问题。\n11 问：你执行搜查的日期是什么，月份\n12 和日期？\n13 答：是 3 月 15 日。\n14 问：这份文件上写的是什么？\n15 答：2-10。\n16 HORTON 先生：没有其他问题了。\n17 法庭：那么，你是问她那些红色的、\n18 红色的数字和斜杠写的是什么。这是你的问题吗？\n19 HORTON 先生：是的。就是文件上写的内容。\n20\n21 SHROFF 女士：我能再看一下第一页吗。\n22 再反询问\n23 由 SHROFF 女士进行：\n24 问：它是装订起来的，对吗？\n25 答：对。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 再反询问 - Gale\n1 问：今天坐在这里，你还记得是否有另一份装订好的材料上面写着十之一吗？\n2\n3 答：我不记得了。\n4 问：你记得是否有写着十之三的吗？\n5 答：我不记得了。\n6 HORTON 先生：反对。\n7 法庭：反对无效。\n8 问：十之四呢？\n9 答：我不记得。\n10 问：十之五、十之六、十之七以及十之十，你记得其中任何一个吗？\n11\n12 答：不记得。\n13 SHROFF 女士：谢谢。没有其他问题了。\n14 HORTON 先生：没有其他问题了。\n15 法庭：你可以退庭了。谢谢，\n16 控方可以传唤下一位证人。\n17 FERGENSON 先生（费尔根森）：政府方传唤 Elizabeth Berstler（伊丽莎白·伯斯特勒）。\n18\n19 ELIZABETH BERSTLER，\n20 由政府方传唤作证，\n21 经正式宣誓后，作证如下：\n22 法庭：请说出你的名字并拼写出来，\n23 请正对着麦克风说话。\n24 证人：Elizabeth Berstler，E-L-I-Z-A-B-E-T-H，\n25 B-E-R-S-T-L-E-R。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 法庭：你可以提问了。\n2 直接询问\n3 询问人：FERGENSON 先生：\n4 问：早上好，Berstler（伯斯特勒）女士。\n5 答：您好。\n6 问：你在哪里工作？\n7 答：Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）。\n8 问：你在摩根士丹利的职位是什么？\n9 答：客户服务专员。\n10 问：你在摩根士丹利工作多久了？\n11 答：十六年。\n12 问：作为摩根士丹利的客户服务专员，\n13 你的职责和工作内容有哪些？\n14 答：在一个财务顾问团队中担任行政助理之一。\n15 我协助客户处理日常交易请求、支票、记账凭单、\n16 电汇、账单支付、开立新账户。\n17 问：对于特定账户来说——就特定客户账户而言，\n18 谁是你的上级？\n19 答：我们团队的主管财务顾问 Christina Schatz（克里斯蒂娜·沙茨）。\n20 问：你提到了行政工作，你在日常工作中\n21 会做哪些事情？\n22 答：我处理交易业务，通常包括记账凭单、内部转账、\n23 支票、电汇转账、开立新账户，协助客户处理任何\n24 他们需要帮助的事项。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 问：摩根士丹利的银行存款受 FDIC（联邦存款保险公司）保险吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 法庭：请对着麦克风说话。\n4 问：如果持有经纪账户的客户持有现金，\n5 这些现金会怎么处理？\n6 答：会被归集划入银行存款计划中。\n7 问：伯斯特勒女士，你熟悉一家名为 Crane Advisory Services（克兰咨询服务公司）的公司吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：你是怎么了解它的？\n10 答：他们在我们这里开有账户。\n11 问：你在克兰公司与谁沟通接洽？\n12 答：Haitham Khaled（海瑟姆·哈立德）。\n13 问：据你所知，他在克兰公司的角色是什么？\n14 答：我不知道。\n15 问：据你的理解，克兰公司是一家怎样的公司？\n16 答：某种类型的咨询公司。\n17 问：你知道是哪类咨询吗？\n18 答：不知道。\n19 问：当克兰公司作为你们的客户时，你为他们做过什么？\n20 答：协助办理进出的电汇转账。\n21 问：你熟悉一家名为 G/Clubs 的公司吗？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：你是怎么了解它的？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 答：他们在我们这里开有账户。\n2 问：你在 G/Clubs 与谁沟通接洽？\n3 答：Alex Hadjicharalambous（亚历克斯·哈吉哈拉兰布斯）。\n4 问：据你的理解，他在 G/Clubs 的角色是什么？\n5 答：财务总监。\n6 问：当 G/Clubs 作为你们的客户时，你为他们做过什么？\n7 答：我协助处理交易业务、支票、记账凭单、\n8 电汇转账。\n9 问：Loftus（洛夫特斯）女士，麻烦我们出示已作为证据采纳的政府证物 Stip-14。\n10 我们翻到第六页。\n11 伯斯特勒女士，你看到顶部写着 Morgan Stanley Smith Barney（摩根士丹利美加利）吗？\n12 答：看到了。\n13 问：根据双方约定，政府方出示政府证物 112 至 125 号。\n14 SCHIRICK 先生：无异议。\n15 法庭：准予采纳。\n16 （政府证物 112、113、114、115、116、117、\n17 118、119、120、121、122、123、124 及 125 号被采纳为证据）\n18 询问人：FERGENSON 先生：\n19 问：我们可以把它撤下来了，洛夫特斯女士。\n20 伯斯特勒女士，你是否记得 G/Clubs 大约是在什么时候成为客户的？\n21 答：2020年12月或2021年1月。\n22 问：该账户注入的大致资金数额是多少？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 答：大约 5000 万美元。\n2 问：一开始 G/Clubs 用其账户支付哪些款项？\n3 答：企业运营费用、租金、工资、活动开支。\n4 问：洛夫特斯女士，请我们出示政府证物 MSS-112。\n5 如果可以的话翻到第二页。谢谢你，洛夫特斯女士。\n6 实际上如果我们能向下滚动。如果我们能放大底部的那封电子邮件。\n7 现在，伯斯特勒女士，这封电子邮件是谁发来的？\n8 答：Alex H（亚历克斯·H）。\n9 问：他电子邮件地址中的域名是什么？\n10 答：G/Club.com。\n11 问：这封电子邮件是发给谁的？\n12 答：发给克里斯蒂娜·沙茨。\n13 问：请提醒我们一下她的角色是什么？\n14 答：她是财务顾问。\n15 问：你也是这封电子邮件的收件人吗？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：抄送给谁了？\n18 答：海瑟姆·哈立德。\n19 问：我直接朗读正文。上面写着，你好，克里斯蒂娜，\n20 请查收以下关于我们计划于明天 1.19.21 从我们尾号为 8564 ADP 及费用的账户\n21 进行转账的信息。先暂停一下。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 伯斯特勒女士，你记得尾号 8564 的账户是什么账户吗？\n2 答：那是他们用来支付账单的账户。\n3 问：我继续朗读。上面写着，我已附上收款人的账户信息供您参考。\n4 请注意，该账户仅接受 GBP（英镑）。再次暂停一下。\n5 伯斯特勒女士，什么是 GBP？\n6 答：大不列颠英镑。\n7 问：朗读带星号的内容。上面写着金额，100 万美元，\n8 收款人账户名称为 Fiesta Property Developments, LTD.（嘉年华房地产开发有限公司）。\n9 然后还有更多信息。\n10 伯斯特勒女士，在你收到这封电子邮件时，\n11 你知道嘉年华房地产开发有限公司是什么吗？\n12 答：不知道。\n13 问：洛夫特斯女士，请向上滚动到第二页。\n14 实际上我们可以继续向上滚动。我们翻到第一页。我来给你指一下，洛夫特斯女士，能否放大中间的电子邮件。\n15 伯斯特勒女士，你在 1 月 20 日上午 9:02 回复了什么？\n16 答：能否简要说明此笔电汇的目的。\n17 问：你是否记得你为何要求提供该笔电汇的简要说明/目的？\n18 答：这笔对外电汇已被我们的反欺诈运营部门标记，\n19 要求进一步说明以确认电汇指令已被核实。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 指令已被核验。\n2 问：我们稍后会讲到这一点。洛夫特斯女士，\n3 能否聚焦放大顶部的电子邮件。这是亚历克斯·H 的回复吗？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：我直接朗读正文。上面写着，本笔转账是由 G/Club Operations, LLC（G/Club 运营有限责任公司）\n6 发起至 Fiesta Property Developments, LTD，这是一家由英国的 He 先生（何先生）拥有的房地产控股公司。\n7 他也是 G/Clubs Operations, LLC 的同一所有者，用于支付他们计划以总价 1000 万美元\n8 购买的一处房产的可能首付款。上面写着，该交易通过贷方 G/Club Operation, LLC\n9 向借方 Fiesta Property, LLC 提供金额为 1000 万美元且附带还款计划的内部贷款协议进行记录。\n10 伯斯特勒女士，这封邮件说明嘉年华房地产开发公司是一家房地产控股公司。\n11 你后来是否收到过关于嘉年华公司业务的进一步信息？\n12 答：没有。\n13 问：邮件称其目的是作为他们计划购买的房产的可能首付款。\n14 你后来是否收到过关于正在购买的房产的进一步信息？\n15 答：没有。\n16 问：然后邮件提到了内部贷款协议。你是否记得收到过该贷款协议？\n17 答：没有。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 问：你知道为什么亚历克斯·H 特别说明贷款协议附有还款计划吗？\n2 答：不知道。\n3 问：洛夫特斯女士，现在请翻到政府证物 MSS-125。\n4 能否放大信头。首先，这封电子邮件的日期是哪一天？\n5 答：2021年1月20日。\n6 问：与我们刚才查看的邮件链是同一天？\n7 答：我想是的。\n8 问：发件人是谁？\n9 答：Deidra Harrell（戴德拉·哈雷尔）。\n10 问：戴德拉·哈雷尔在摩根士丹利哪个部门工作？\n11 答：反欺诈运营部。\n12 问：这封电子邮件是发给谁的？\n13 答：这封邮件是发给我的。\n14 问：能否请你朗读一下这封电子邮件的主题栏？\n15 答：需要紧急处理 对外电汇审核 摩根士丹利编号 552068564。\n16 问：8564 这几个数字，你认得出来吗？\n17 答：认得。\n18 问：它们是什么？\n19 答：G/Clubs 的账号。\n20 问：洛夫特斯女士，能否缩小画面，然后放大包含正文的下半部分。\n21 现在，邮件写道，您好，我谨代表反欺诈运营部就以下电汇与您联系。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 鉴于涉欺诈方直接针对客户的事件有所增加，\n2 需要以下信息来核实电汇请求的真实性以及客户所收指令的真实性。\n3 反欺诈运营部要求对下列问题作出回复，\n4 以便及时处理该笔电汇。感谢您为继续保护我们客户所给予的持续配合。\n5 然后，伯斯特勒女士，你看到在“客户账户名称”下方，\n6 能否朗读一下那里列出的实体名称？\n7 答：G/Club Operations LLC。\n8 问：而在“转出账户”栏，你能朗读一下最后四位吗？\n9 答：8564。\n10 问：那里列出的金额是多少？\n11 答：734,000。\n12 问：这笔电汇是以英镑计算的吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：洛夫特斯女士，能否向下滚动到下一页。\n15 现在看着这些方框，洛夫特斯女士，我们先放大第一组方框。\n16 伯斯特勒女士，请看，我想应该是倒数第二行，\n17 你能朗读一下左侧栏里的文字吗？\n18 答：倒数第二行吗？\n19 问：是的，以“Purpose（目的）”开头的那行。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 答：电汇目的 手动输入。\n2 问：那里还没有输入任何内容，对吗？\n3 答：对的。\n4 问：能否缩小画面。请放大第二个方框。\n5 伯斯特勒女士，你能朗读一下顶部方框里的文字吗？\n6 答：客户是如何与 Fiesta Property Developments, LTD 建立联系的。\n7 问：请缩小画面，并向下滚动。\n8 这里如果我们能放大最顶端部分。\n9 沙茨女士是否在 2021 年 1 月 20 日将这封电子邮件转发给了你？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：能否缩小画面并向下滚动，继续向下滚动。\n12 请放大顶部的电子邮件。\n13 伯斯特勒女士，你是如何回复欺诈警报升级部门的这封电子邮件的？\n14 答：见下方回答。谢谢。\n15 问：能否向下滚动。我们可以看方框。我们将放大第一个方框。\n16 你能朗读一下对“电汇目的”这一项文字的回答内容吗？\n17 答：这是一笔汇往关联企业用于房地产投资的电汇。\n18 问：该信息来源于何处？\n19 答：亚历克斯的电子邮件。\n20 问：能否缩小画面。请放大底部的方框。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 你能朗读一下首行的回答吗，即“客户是如何与 Fiesta Property LTD 建立联系的”？\n2 答：Fiesta Property Developments, LTD 是由 UBO（最终受益所有人）Haoran He（何浩然）拥有的另一家公司。\n3 问：该信息来源于何处？\n4 答：亚历克斯的电子邮件。\n5 问：伯斯特勒女士，在你提供这些信息之后，该笔电汇发出了吗？\n6 答：发出了。\n7 问：伯斯特勒女士，如果你当时知道提供给你的电汇目的并不是资金的实际用途，\n8 你还会处理这笔电汇转账吗？\n9 SCHIRICK 先生：反对。\n10 答：不会。\n11 问：伯斯特勒女士，你是摩根士丹利电汇转账的最终决策人吗？\n12 答：不是。\n13 问：你回复了反欺诈运营部的电子邮件，对吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：并且你提供了就电汇目的而言向你提供的信息？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：如果你当时知道提供给你的电汇目的并不是其真实用途，\n18 你还会把这些信息传递给反欺诈运营部吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 希里克先生（MR. SCHIRICK）：反对，法官阁下。\n2 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n3 答：您能再问一遍这个问题吗。\n4 问：如果您当时知道提供给您的电汇用途并不是这笔资金实际被使用的方式，您会把该信息转达给反欺诈业务部门吗？\n5\n6\n7 答：会的。\n8 问：如果您知道这不是其使用方式，您就会转达？\n9 希里克先生：法官阁下，已问过且已回答。\n10 弗根森先生（MR. FERGENSON）：法官阁下，我认为只是对问题有些困惑。\n11\n12 传译员：法官阁下，能否请所有当事人都对着麦克风说话。我听不清。\n13\n14 法庭：可以把问题重新读一遍。\n15 （记录已宣读）\n16 弗根森先生：我可以换个说法。\n17 问：如果您当时知道提供给您的电汇用途并非它们实际会被使用的方式，您会把提供给您的电汇用途作为真实用途转达给反欺诈业务部门吗？\n18\n19\n20\n21 希里克先生：反对。\n22 弗根森先生：我可以换个说法。\n23 法庭：该问题假定她知晓真实用途。所以，是的，你可以再试一次。\n24\n25 弗根森先生提问：\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 问：贝尔斯特勒女士（Ms. Berstler），如果您当时知道提供给您的用途不实，您会把那个用途传达给反欺诈业务部门吗？\n2\n3\n4 希里克先生：反对。\n5 法庭：你可以回答。\n6 答：我们会暂停这笔电汇，不让它汇出。\n7\n8 希里克先生：反对，法官阁下。\n9 法庭：反对成立。你的回答答非所问。如果你知道电汇用途并不是所陈述的那样，而是另有用途，你会让你的反欺诈部门知晓吗？\n10\n11\n12\n13 证人：会的。\n14 问：您是否依赖客户就电汇用途向您提供准确信息？\n15\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：如果您知道客户就此对您撒谎，如果您知道那是谎言，您还会依赖该信息吗？\n18\n19 希里克先生：反对。\n20 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n21 答：您能再问一遍吗。\n22 问：如果您知道客户在电汇用途上对您撒谎，您会依赖该信息并将其传递下去吗。这个问题是假设性的。\n23\n24\n25 希里克先生：反对。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 弗根森先生：我就直接继续了，法官阁下。\n2 法庭：请继续。\n3 问：我们看第 10 页。\n4 贝尔斯特勒女士，请您读一下戴德拉·哈雷尔（Deidra Harrell）的回复好吗？\n5\n6 答：感谢确认。该交易已通过审核解除限制。\n7\n8 问：洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），能否请我们转到政府方证据 MSS-113。如果我们能转到第三到第四页。\n9\n10 这封电子邮件是谁发的？\n11 答：这封邮件来自 Alex H。\n12 问：日期是哪天？\n13 答：2021年1月25日。\n14 问：也就是在最初电汇请求的五天之后？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：收件人是您和克里斯蒂娜·沙茨（Christina Schatz），对吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：抄送给了谁？\n19 答：海瑟姆·哈立德（Haitham Khaled）。\n20 问：再次确认，这笔电汇请求的金额是多少？\n21 答：500万美元。\n22 问：汇往哪里？\n23 答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD。\n24 问：我就不让您重读了。电汇明细下方给出的用途是一样的吗？\n25\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：如果我们能回到第一页。这第二笔电汇汇出了吗？\n3\n4 答：汇出了。\n5 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们转到 MSS-114。我们可以稍微往下拉一点。能否放大一下 Alex H 的电子邮件，最下方的那封。又是来自 Alex H 的一封电子邮件，对吗？\n6\n7\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：这是大约一周后的2月2日？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：收件人同样是您和克里斯蒂娜·沙茨，对吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：这笔电汇的金额是多少？\n14 答：400万美元。\n15 问：收款人是谁？\n16 答：Fiesta Properties Developments, LTD。\n17 问：我就不让您重读了，但电汇信息下方给出的用途是一样的吗？\n18\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：如果我们能回到第一页。\n21 您看到您的回复了吗，或者您能读一下您的回复吗，也就是中间那封电子邮件？\n22\n23 答：Alex，我们今天购入了2,932,000英镑。我明早给您打电话确认电汇事宜。\n24\n25 问：贝尔斯特勒女士，这笔电汇最终汇出了吗？\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 答：汇出了。\n2 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们现在转到政府方证据 MSS-116。请转到第三页。我们能否放大这封电子邮件。Alex H 发来的这封电子邮件日期是哪天？\n3\n4\n5 答：2021年5月6日。\n6 问：我可以来读一下正文。上面写着，下午好，利兹（Liz），请见下方关于我们希望从我们账户安排的一笔电汇转账的信息。他说，我附上了收款人的账户信息供您参考。然后是电汇信息。\n7\n8\n9\n10\n11 这笔电汇的金额是多少？\n12 答：2000万美元。\n13 问：账户名称是什么？\n14 答：Deltec Bank and Trust Limited。\n15 问：列出的供应商地址是哪个国家？\n16 答：巴哈马。\n17 问：在那下方，下方几行写着银行名称花旗银行（Citibank）。据您理解那是什么意思？\n18\n19 答：那是清算银行。\n20 问：什么是清算银行？\n21 答：就是我们代表收款人将款项汇入的银行。\n22 问：您能向陪审团解释一下您的意思吗，那是如何运作的？\n23\n24 答：款项汇入花旗银行。Deltec Bank and Trust Limited 在花旗银行开有账户。\n25\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 问：然后在银行名称下方，您看到写着参考号/附言（reference/memo）了吗？\n2\n3 答：看到了。\n4 问：您能读一下参考号/附言右侧写的是什么吗？\n5\n6 答：100179601 Hamilton Digital Assets FD SP。\n7 问：据您的理解，参考号/附言栏是做什么用的？\n8 答：通常用于进一步记入次级收款人的账户。\n9\n10 问：您的意思是什么？\n11 答：也就是说，将款项进一步记入 Hamilton Digital Assets 在 Deltec Bank and Trust 的账户。\n12\n13 法庭：据你理解，花旗银行在这笔交易中的角色是什么？\n14\n15 证人：他们是代表另一家银行接收资金的银行。\n16\n17 问：贝尔斯特勒女士，您知道 Hamilton Digital Assets 是什么吗？\n18 答：不知道。\n19 问：您知道数字 1001796 指的是什么吗？\n20 答：不知道。\n21 问：洛夫特斯女士，请看那里的最后一行，内部参考信息。\n22\n23 贝尔斯特勒女士，据您的理解，内部参考信息是什么意思？\n24\n25 答：那会是 G/Clubs 在其账目中就该笔电汇用途所做的记录。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1\n2 问：那一栏写的是什么？\n3 答：现金股利分配。\n4 问：如果我们能缩小并转到顶部，就在第一页顶部。\n5\n6 贝尔斯特勒女士，这笔电汇汇出了吗？\n7 答：汇出了。\n8 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们现在看政府方证据 MSS-118。如果我们能向下拉一到两行以便看到这封电子邮件。如果我们能放大 Alex H 的电子邮件。\n9\n10\n11 这封电子邮件的日期是哪天？\n12 答：2021年5月11日。\n13 法庭：稍等。现在是 11:30。休庭半小时。请记住，你们不得相互讨论本案。不要允许任何人在你们面前讨论本案。不要阅读、观看或收听来自任何渠道、涉及本案主题事项的任何内容。我们将在中午恢复开庭。\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19 法庭书记员：陪审团退庭。\n20 法庭：你可以离开法庭了，贝尔斯特勒女士。不要讨论你的证言。\n21\n22 （证人暂时退庭）\n23 （陪审团不在场）\n24 法庭：请就座。在中午恢复开庭之前还有什么事吗？\n25\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO2 Berstler-直接询问\n1 希里克先生：辩方没有事项。\n2 弗根森先生：政府方也没有。\n3 （休庭）\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 法庭：请带陪审员入庭。\n2 （陪审团在场）\n3 法庭：请就座。\n4 请记住，你仍处于宣誓状态。\n5 证人：是的。\n6 法庭：你可以继续询问。\n7 弗根森先生：谢谢您，法官阁下。\n8 弗根森先生提问：\n9 问：贝尔斯特勒女士，如果您知道客户提供的用途是虚假的，您还会采取步骤处理客户的电汇吗？\n10\n11\n12 希里克先生：反对，法官阁下。\n13 法庭：你可以回答。\n14 答：不会。\n15 弗根森先生：洛夫特斯女士，我们能否回到政府方证据 MSS118。\n16\n17 如果我们能稍微往下拉一点，只放大 Alex H 的电子邮件。\n18\n19 问：好的。贝尔斯特勒女士，休庭前我们正在看这个。您能否提醒我们一下日期是哪天？\n20\n21 答：2021年5月11日。\n22 问：好的。这里请求的金额是多少？\n23 答：1500万美元。\n24 问：汇往哪里？\n25 答：Deltec Bank and Trust Limited。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 弗根森先生：洛夫特斯女士，公示展示了吗？\n2 问：好的。现在的金额是1500万美元，对吗，贝尔斯特勒女士？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：收款的账户名称是什么？\n5 答：Deltec Bank and Trust Limited。\n6 问：供应商地址，还是巴哈马的同一个地址吗？\n7\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：好的。参考号/附言，还是同一个参考号/附言吗？\n10\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：这里提供的内部参考信息是什么？\n13 答：贷款。\n14 问：您还记得发往 Deltec Bank 的上一笔写的是什么吗？\n15 答：股利分配。\n16 问：您是否有任何独立了解这笔款项实际上是否是一笔贷款？\n17\n18 答：没有。\n19 问：您只是依赖了提供的信息吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 弗根森先生：好的。如果我们能缩小并转到第 1 页。\n22\n23 问：这笔电汇汇出了吗？\n24 答：汇出了。\n25 弗根森先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士，我们转到\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 政府方证据 MSS119。\n2 好的。如果我们能放大 Alex H 的电子邮件。\n3 问：贝尔斯特勒女士，Alex H 发来的这封电子邮件日期是哪天？\n4 答：2021年6月21日。\n5 问：这笔电汇请求的金额是多少？\n6 答：3500万。\n7 问：目的地与前两笔相同吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：参考号/附言与前两笔相同吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：这里的内部参考信息是什么？\n12 答：贷款。\n13 问：好的。我只读一下顶部正文，上面写着：“请见下方关于我们希望今天 06.21.21 从我们账户安排的第一笔 3500 万电汇转账的信息。按讨论的内容，我将于本周三 06.23.21 向您发送另一笔剩余 1500 万的电汇请求。”\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19 贝尔斯特勒女士，您还记得为什么该笔转账被拆分成两笔不同的电汇吗？\n20\n21 答：不，我不记得了。\n22 问：好的。我们看 MSS——这笔电汇汇出了吗？\n23 答：汇出了。\n24 弗根森先生：我们转到 MSS120。\n25 如果我们能稍微往下拉一点。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 问：好的。来自 Alex H 的这封电子邮件日期是哪天？\n2 答：2021年6月23日。\n3 问：这笔转账的金额是多少？\n4 答：1500万美元。\n5 问：收款人信息相同吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：这笔的内部参考信息是什么？\n8 答：贷款。\n9 问：好的。贝尔斯特勒女士，看着这些电汇转账，您还记得发送到 Deltec Bank 的 Hamilton Digital Assets 的总金额是多少吗？\n10\n11\n12 答：8500万。\n13 问：这是6月23日。我们看的第一笔是5月6日。那大约是在多长时间内汇出的？\n14\n15 答：大约一个半月。\n16 弗根森先生：洛夫特斯女士，我们转到 MSS122。\n17 好的。洛夫特斯女士，如果我们能放大最上面那封电子邮件。\n18\n19 问：好的。这封电子邮件是谁发的？\n20 答：Alex H。\n21 问：发给谁？\n22 答：抱歉？\n23 问：收件人是谁？\n24 答：克里斯蒂娜·沙茨。\n25 问：您被抄送了吗？\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：这封电子邮件的日期是哪一天？\n3 答：2021年7月15日。\n4 问：主题是什么？\n5 答：账户对账单（Statement of Account）。\n6 问：好的。Alex H 说：“Christina，下午好，\n7 请查收按要求为 G\n8 Club International Limited 提供的账户对账单附件。”什么是 G Club International\n9 Limited？\n10 答：我不知道。\n11 问：Berstler 女士，你记得为什么要索取这个吗？\n12 答：不记得。\n13 FERGENSON 先生：好的。我们缩小一下画面。\n14 如果我们可以滚动一下屏幕。\n15 问：我们先读最下面那封电子邮件，即 Alex H 的电子邮件。\n16 好的。Berstler 女士，你看这是不是一封\n17 Alex H 发给 David Fallon 的电子邮件？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：这封电子邮件的日期是哪一天？\n20 答：2021年7月14日。\n21 问：好的。主题是什么？\n22 答：账户对账单。\n23 问：好的。Alex H 说——其实，让我问你，你\n24 知道 David Fallon 是谁吗，Berstler 女士？\n25 答：不知道。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 问：你跟 David Fallon 说过话吗？\n2 答：没有。\n3 问：他说：“嗨，David，根据我们刚才通的电话——”\n4 Alex 是这么说的。“根据我们刚才通的电话，你能否\n5 向我提供一份我们与 Hamilton Digital Assets 之间\n6 包含所有信息的汇总收据（账户对账单）。”\n7\n8 FERGENSON 先生：如果我们可以缩小一下画面，谢谢。\n9 只要放大中间那封电子邮件。\n10 问：David 是怎么回复的，Berstler 女士？\n11 答：“嗨，Alex，请查收随附的 G Club International\n12 的账户对账单。”\n13 FERGENSON 先生：好的。如果我们可以缩小画面。\n14 实际上，我们继续往下翻。我们翻到\n15 第3页。\n16 好的。现在，是的，如果我们能放大——把文本调大一些，\n17 让字号大一点。谢谢你，Loftus 女士。\n18 问：好的。Berstler 女士，你看到右上角\n19 写着“NAV Fund Services (Cayman) Ltd.”了吗？\n20 答：看到了。\n21 问：你知道 NAV Fund Services 是什么吗？\n22 答：不知道。\n23 问：然后提醒你注意，靠中间位置的大号粗体字\n24 写着 Hamilton Digital Assets Fund SP（Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC 的独立投资组合），你知道什么是\n25 独立投资组合（segregated portfolio）吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 独立投资组合？\n2 答：不知道。\n3 问：你知道 Hamilton Opportunity Fund SPC 是什么吗？\n4 答：不知道。\n5 问：好的。然后在那下面——哦，这里左上角的签发日期（Issued\n6 Date）是哪一天？\n7 答：2021年6月3日。\n8 问：好的。那么提醒你注意下面的方框，那里列出的\n9 名称是什么？\n10 答：G Club International Limited。\n11 问：作为 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）客户的那个 G Club 实体的\n12 名称是什么？\n13 答：G Club Operations。\n14 问：好的。那么注意看下一行，那笔交易（transaction）\n15 是什么？\n16 答：申购（按现金金额）（Subscription (by cash amount)）。\n17 问：金额是多少？\n18 答：1500万美元。\n19 问：然后那里的生效日期（effective date）是哪一天？\n20 答：2021年8月1日。\n21 FERGENSON 先生：好的。现在请翻到下一页，\n22 Loftus 女士，谢谢。\n23 如果我们可以放大文本，把它调大一些。\n24\n25 问：好的。现在这里的签发日期是哪一天，Berstler 女士？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 答：2021年7月14日。\n2 问：这和 Alex H 发电子邮件的日期是同一天吗？\n3 FERGENSON 先生：我们可以缩小画面并往上滚动。\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 FERGENSON 先生：你能往上滚动到 Alex H 的电子邮件吗。\n6 如果你想把日期放大。\n7 问：或者你能读出这个日期吗，Berstler 女士？\n8 答：可以，2021年7月14日。\n9 问：是同一天吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 FERGENSON 先生：好的。请再向下滚动，\n12 谢谢。\n13 我们可以放大那段文本。\n14 问：好的。现在这上面列出的名称是什么？\n15 答：G Club Operations LLC。\n16 问：这是作为 Morgan Stanley 客户的那个实体的\n17 名称吗？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：好的。那里列出的金额是多少？\n20 答：8500万美元。\n21 问：生效日期是哪一天？\n22 答：2021年8月1日。\n23 问：8500万，这与 Morgan Stanley 转账给\n24 Deltec 银行的 Hamilton 的金额相同吗？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 问：好的。现在，Berstler 女士，你知道这些日期，生效日期还是指令——我先从生效日期说起。\n2 你知道那是什么意思吗？\n3 答：不知道。\n4 问：你知道收到指令日期（Order Received Date）是什么意思吗？\n5 答：不知道。\n6 FERGENSON 先生：好的。Loftus 女士，请调到\n7 MSS121，谢谢。\n8 如果我们可以向下翻到第一封电子邮件，第4页。\n9 好的。如果我们可以放大 Alex H 的电子邮件。\n10 问：好的。现在，Berstler 女士，Alex H 发来的这封电子邮件\n11 的日期是哪一天？\n12 答：2021年7月12日。\n13 问：我直接读一下他电子邮件里的第三段，\n14 上面写着：“这是关于我们在1月份寄给 Fiesta Property Developments Ltd. 的1000万美元（10mm USD）。\n15 协议约定的是1000万英镑（10mm GBP）而不是1000万美元——这是我和我\n16 团队的失误。”他说：“根据我们的交易记录，我们\n17 转账了价值超过 8,060,000 的英镑。我们需要电汇\n18 剩余价值 1,940,000 的大不列颠英镑。”然后\n19 他说：“请以此邮件作为授权。”\n20 在那下方的收款人账户名称（beneficiary account name）一栏，\n21 收款人账户是什么？\n22 答：Fiesta Property Developments Ltd.。\n23 FERGENSON 先生：好的。如果我们可以向上滚动，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 Loftus 女士。\n2 如果我们可以放大回复内容。\n3 问：Berstler 女士，你是怎么回复的？\n4 答：我写道：“到目前为止发送给 Fiesta 的总额为 7,326,000 GBP。在\n5 2021年1月21日，734,000 GBP；2021年1月27日，3,660,000 GBP；\n6 2021年2月4日，2,932,000 GBP。如果您需要总共发送 10mm GBP\n7 给 Fiesta，我们还需要发送 2,674,000 GBP。”\n8 FERGENSON 先生：好的。如果我们可以向上滚动，\n9 谢谢。\n10 然后，是的，我们可以放大 Alex 的电子邮件。\n11 问：好的。然后，Berstler 女士，提醒你注意\n12 地址行，你能读一下地址行吗。在 Alex 的\n13 电子邮件里。\n14 答：“Transferwise, 56 shore ditch high street, London, E1 6JJ,\n15 United Kingdom.”\n16 问：你知道那个地址有什么吗？\n17 答：不知道。\n18 问：你知道 Transferwise 是什么吗？\n19 答：不知道。\n20 FERGENSON 先生：好的。你可以缩小画面。\n21 我们可以向上滚动。\n22 我们可以继续向上滚动。你可以继续翻。\n23 问：好的。Berstler 女士，这笔电汇汇出了吗？\n24 答：是的。\n25 FERGENSON 先生：好的。请调到 MSS124，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 谢谢。\n2 好的。如果可以的话，我们从第2页开始，\n3 第一封电子邮件。请放大那一封，谢谢。\n4 问：好的。所以这是 Alex H 发来的，对吧？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：日期是哪一天？\n7 答：2021年7月29日。\n8 问：是发给谁的？\n9 答：是发给 Christina Schatz 的。\n10 问：抄送给了谁？\n11 答：我。\n12 问：主题是什么？\n13 答：退回的电汇（Returned Wire）。\n14 问：你能读一下 Alex H 的电子邮件吗。\n15 答：“Christina，下午好，随附您会找到退回给\n16 我们的电汇。那是我们以英镑寄给 Fiesta 的款项。\n17 如果您在后台看到任何动态，能否通知我们——我在我们的账户中\n18 没有看到这笔退款。谢谢。”\n19\n20 问：这大约是在上一笔给 Fiesta 的电汇之后两周？\n21 答：我想是的。\n22 FERGENSON 先生：请向上滚动一下，谢谢。\n23 好的。如果我们可以放大——谢谢。\n24 问：这又是7月29日吗？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 问：这是你发出的吗？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：请读一下你的回复。\n4 答：“Alex：我就此事咨询了我们的后台办公室。款项\n5 未按照正确的英镑电汇指令发送至 Morgan Stanley，\n6 因此 MS 从未收到这笔电汇。请让汇出\n7 银行从他们那端追踪这笔电汇。此外，\n8 即使发送正确，我们本来也无法接受这笔电汇，\n9 因为该账户仅被允许进行向 G Club 发出的同名汇出电汇。所有汇入的第三方\n10 电汇都会被退回。Fiesta 应当将资金电汇到另一个 G\n11 Club 账户。对给您带来的不便深表歉意。”\n12\n13 问：Berstler 女士，当你写道“即使发送正确，我们本来也无法\n14 接受这笔电汇，因为该账户仅被允许进行向 G Club 发出的同名汇出电汇”时，\n15 你的意思是什么？\n16 答：在当时，G Club 账户已经被——被 Morgan Stanley\n17 的另一个部门阻止进行任何——任何\n18 第三方交易。\n19 问：而且——\n20 法官：你说的第三方交易是什么意思？\n21\n22 证人：指向任何非 G Club Operations 名下的账户进行的交易。\n23\n24 问：Berstler 女士，根据你在 Morgan Stanley 的工作经历，为什么\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 直接询问\n1 有些账户只被允许进行同名转账？\n2 答：如果我们的——如果 Morgan Stanley 的另一个部门正在监控其动态\n3 并对某个账户进行调查，他们可能只\n4 允许你进行同名转账。\n5 问：哪些部门会这样做？\n6 答：我想是反欺诈运营部、我们的反洗钱（AML）部门，以及我们的\n7 全球金融犯罪部门。\n8 问：AML 是什么？\n9 答：反洗钱（Anti-money laundering）。\n10 FERGENSON 先生：好的。如果我们可以缩小画面。\n11 向上滚动。是的，让我们放大最上面那一封。\n12 问：你能读一下这里的最后一条回复吗。对不起。\n13 撤回问题。\n14 这封电子邮件的日期是哪一天？\n15 答：2021年8月5日。\n16 问：你能读一下你对 Alex H 的进一步回复吗。\n17 答：“很遗憾，我没有获得批准为这笔电汇提交撤回\n18 请求，并被提醒该账户仅被允许进行同名汇出电汇，退回的电汇\n19 将不予接受。抱歉。”\n20\n21 问：“该账户仅被允许进行同名汇出电汇”，\n22 你这里指的是什么？\n23 答：指该账户已被冻结/限制，只有向另一个 G Club 账户的汇出电汇\n24 才——才被允许。\n25 FERGENSON 先生：Loftus 女士，我们可以把那个撤下来了。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 交叉询问\n1 问：Berstler 女士，G Club 账户最终怎么样了？\n2\n3 答：他们被强令把资金转出。\n4 问：你这么说是什么意思？\n5 答：Morgan Stanley 关闭了该账户，并且——并且告诉他们\n6 把钱转到另一个 G Club 账户。\n7 问：你知道钱被转到哪里去了吗？\n8 答：我不知道。\n9 问：你知道 Bo Collins 是谁吗？\n10 答：抱歉。名字叫什么？\n11 问：Bo Collins？\n12 答：不知道。\n13 FERGENSON 先生：法官阁下，我可以暂停片刻吗。\n14 法官：可以。\n15 FERGENSON 先生：没有其他问题了，法官阁下。\n16 法官：进行交叉询问。\n17 SCHIRICK 先生：谢谢法官阁下。\n18 交叉询问\n19 由 SCHIRICK 先生进行：\n20 问：嗨。下午好，Berstler 女士。就你今天出庭作证的准备情况\n21 问几个问题。\n22 你今天在此作证之前，是否与这里的政府方律师会面过？\n23\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：好的。我说的会面，是指你知道的，通过\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 交叉询问\n1 电话、视频会议或当面会面。\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：好的。你跟他们会面了几次？\n4 答：三次。\n5 问：好的。那三次都是通过视频会议进行的吗？\n6 答：一次视频会议，两次当面。\n7 问：好的。就你最好的记忆而言，能否告诉我，当你\n8 与他们会面时都有谁在场？\n9 答：我的前两次会面是和 Micah，第三次会面\n10 是和 Ryan。\n11 问：前两次除了 Micah，第三次除了 Fergenson 先生［原文如此］之外，\n12 还有其他人在场吗？\n13 答：有的，但我不知道名字。\n14 问：好的。明白了。\n15 Morgan Stanley 那边有其他人跟你在一起吗？\n16\n17 答：有的。\n18 问：好的。那是谁？\n19 答：Jeremy Winer。\n20 问：Winer 先生是 Morgan Stanley 的律师吗？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：好的。谢谢。\n23 法官：Schirick 先生，请对着麦克风说话。\n24\n25 SCHIRICK 先生：好的。抱歉，法官阁下。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：现在，你作证说你曾担任 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）多位财务顾问的行政\n2 助理，对吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：在任何特定时间内，你大约负责对接多少人？\n5 我猜是一帮人。\n6 答：五个。\n7 问：好的。这包括 Ms. Schatz（沙茨女士）。\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：好的。沙茨女士是\n10 G|CLUBS 的主要联络人——\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：——负责摩根士丹利开立的 G|CLUBS 账户。\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：好的。而且你作证说——撤回该问题。\n15 你是否记得 G|CLUBS 的业务是一家\n16 会员服务公司？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：好的。它为其会员提供福利或服务？\n19 答：我不知道他们提供什么。\n20 问：好的。但据你的理解，它是一家会员服务公司。\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：好的。当 G|CLUBS 最初成为摩根士丹利的客户时，\n23 你是否在与沙茨女士共事？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 G|CLUBS 最初成为摩根士丹利的客户时？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：好的。你是否记得，在 G|CLUBS 成为客户时，\n4 沙茨女士是否与来自 G|CLUBS 的任何人\n5 亲自面谈过？\n6 答：我不知道。\n7 问：好的。你知道她是否曾与来自 G|CLUBS 的任何人\n8 亲自面谈过吗？\n9 MR. FERGENSON（弗根森先生）：反对。\n10 没事了，法官阁下。\n11 THE COURT（法庭）：你可以回答。你可以回答。\n12 答：我不知道。\n13 问：好的。你提到一个叫 Alex（亚历克斯）的人——我来\n14 试着读一下——Hadjicharalambous（哈吉哈拉兰布斯），如果这是正确的\n15 发音的话。你记得在你的证言中\n16 提到过他吗？\n17 答：是的，记得。\n18 问：我想你在主询问中作证说他是 G|CLUBS 的代表，\n19 对吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：好的。你是否见过——我们就叫他 Alex H（亚历克斯·H）吧？\n22 答：没有。\n23 问：你也不知道沙茨女士是否见过 Alex H。\n24 答：不知道。\n25 问：或者就此而言，见过 Yvette Wang（王雁平）。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 答：谁？\n2 问：Yvette Wang。\n3 答：不，我不知道。\n4 问：你知道沙茨女士是否去过 G|CLUBS 位于\n5 本市 East 64th Street（东64街）的办公室吗？\n6 答：我不知道。\n7 问：好的。现在，我相信你作证说 G|CLUBS 账户\n8 最初于 2020 年 12 月或前后在摩根士丹利开立？\n9 答：嗯。\n10 问：听起来对吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：你知道它们大约是什么时候被关闭的吗？就凭\n13 你最好的记忆。\n14 答：2021 年夏末。\n15 问：好的。所以是 2021 年 8 月、9 月左右，大致是那个时候？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：好的。在其摩根士丹利账户开立期间，\n18 我相信你在主询问中作证说 G|CLUBS\n19 使用该账户支付各种各样、你知道的、日常\n20 业务费用；这样说公允吗？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：好的。比如他们用它来支付供应商？\n23 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：你知道这一点？比如他们还用它来纳税？\n2 答：我不知道是否纳过税。\n3 问：好的。你知道这些是因为你的职责在某种程度上是\n4 处理客户的这类付款请求，对吗？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：我相信你在主询问中作证说你会处理诸如\n7 客户的电汇请求，对吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：以及客户向摩根士丹利要求的\n10 其它类似运营方面的任务——\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：——？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：公允吗？好的。行。现在你还在主询问中作证说，\n15 我想是你与该银行合规部门的人员\n16 有过一些互动；这样说公允吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：好的。你在回答弗根森先生提问时\n19 所描述的那些互动与 G|CLUBS 有关，\n20 对吗？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：好的。那么自你进入摩根士丹利——\n23 我相信你说过那是 2008 年？\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：好的。所以你已经在那里工作了大约 16 年？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：好的。自 2008 年你进入摩根士丹利以来，\n3 你是否有过多次与摩根士丹利的合规\n4 部门互动的机会？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：好的。而且你有多次机会去——撤回该问题。\n7 作为此类互动的一部分，这是因为\n8 在其他客户账户中出现的各种问题，\n9 对吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：好的。所以我想合规部门包括——\n12 只是为了确保我们在说同一件事——我相信\n13 你早前作证提到过诸如反欺诈部门？你会\n14 把那归入合规部门吗？\n15 答：反欺诈运营部，是的。\n16 问：反欺诈，对，说得通。反欺诈运营部？好的。\n17 然后我想你还作证提到了 AML（反洗钱）小组。你会\n18 认为那也属于摩根士丹利内部的\n19 合规组吗？\n20 答：是的，它是一个合规组。\n21 问：好的。行。现在谈到合规\n22 职能——我想你在主询问中就此作过证，但只是\n23 为了明确起见——在涉及合规相关的问题时，你没有任何决策权，\n24 对吗？\n25 答：我没有任何权力。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：好的。因此举例来说，在涉及银行是否批准\n2 某笔特定的电汇请求时，你没有决策权，\n3 正如我们刚才讨论的，或者\n4 你片刻之前所讨论的。\n5 答：没错。\n6 问：好的。沙茨女士甚至都没有那项权力，\n7 对吗？\n8 答：没错。\n9 问：好的。那纯粹是合规组的事。\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：好的。行。现在我相信你还在\n12 主询问中谈到了一点关于一个名为 Crane（克兰）的实体；是这样吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：好的。Crane 与某事有关——撤回该问题。\n15 据你理解，说 Crane 是某种咨询\n16 公司是公允的吗？\n17 答：我不知道他们的角色具体是什么。\n18 问：当然。可以理解。但你一般而言是否了解\n19 Crane 是做什么的？\n20 答：不了解。\n21 问：好的。所以你对 Crane 与 G|CLUBS 之间\n22 存在任何方式的关联没有任何印象？\n23 答：没有。\n24 问：好的。但我认为你作证说你听说过 Haitham Khaled（海瑟姆·哈立德）这个名字，\n25 对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：而且你知道他是 Crane 的代表？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：你知道曾经有一场 G|CLUBS\n5 起诉 Crane 的诉讼吗？\n6 答：不知道。\n7 问：好的。你知道在某个时刻 G|CLUBS 切断了\n8 其与 Crane 的关系吗？\n9 答：不知道。\n10 MR. SCHIRICK（希里克先生）：好的。现在如果可以的话，我想调出\n11 Government Exhibit MSS112（政府方证据编号 MSS112）。如果我们能——嗯，\n12 在我们看那个之前：\n13 问：你是否记得在主询问中被问及有关\n14 政府方证据编号 MSS112 的一些问题？\n15 答：记得。\n16 希里克先生：好的。如果我们能往下滚动，\n17 麻烦滚动到第 3 页。\n18 问：我相信你在主询问中就这笔 100 万美元的转账请求\n19 与弗根森先生交谈过？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：好的。实际上我想纠正一下我自己。实际上是一笔\n22 100 万英镑（GBP）的转账，对吗？\n23 我知道你看过很多这样的转账。这是第一笔。112 是\n24 第一笔转账。\n25 法庭：你想提请她注意\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 某份特定物证吗？\n2 希里克先生：当然。我很乐意，法官阁下。\n3 问：那么展示在你面前的，这份日期为\n4 2021 年 1 月 18 日的电子邮件，你看到了吗？\n5 答：看到了。\n6 问：好的。这看起来像你因为那笔 100 万英镑的转账\n7 而在主询问中与弗根森先生讨论过的电子邮件吗？\n8 你认得它吗？\n9 答：认得。\n10 希里克先生：好的。然后如果我们能向上滚动到这份文件的顶部。\n11 尽可能滚到最顶部，麻烦了。\n12 好的。如果我们能放大顶部的部分，\n13 开头是“早上好，Liz（莉兹）”的地方。\n14 问：好的。再次确认，你记得你在\n15 主询问中审查过这个，对吗？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：好的。我相信你作证说这封来自 Alex H 的电子邮件，\n18 我们现在正在看的——你看到他在底部\n19 签名的地方，Alex H？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：——是作为对——撤回该问题——是对你要求\n22 G|CLUBS 提供所请求电汇目的的回应？\n23 我理解得对吗？\n24 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：好的。你向 Alex H 提出的那个请求源自\n2 摩根士丹利的合规人员，对吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：而你只是传达过去。把该请求\n5 传达过去。\n6 答：我问的是他们在电子邮件中提到的、我不知道答案的\n7 问题。\n8 问：对。说得通。所以你的意思是区别在于\n9 他们问了你，你不知道，所以你随后问了 Alex H？\n10 答：是的。\n11 弗根森先生：对形式提出反对。\n12 法庭：这属于复合提问。\n13 希里克先生：有道理，法官阁下。我重新\n14 组织一下语言。\n15 法庭：好的。\n16 问：为了明确起见，流程或顺序是，\n17 合规部门问你是否知道\n18 该电汇的目的是什么，而你不知道，对吗？\n19 答：没错。\n20 问：所以你接下该请求，然后你直接把它传达给了\n21 Alex H，对吗？\n22 弗根森先生：反对。问过且答过了。\n23 希里克先生：我认为是在澄清。\n24 法庭：我准许回答。\n25 希里克先生：谢谢。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 答：我——我向 Alex 询问电汇的原因，因为那是\n2 反欺诈运营部电子邮件中提到的我不知道答案的\n3 问题。\n4 问：好的。说得通。这就是我想问的全部内容。\n5 这里的解释——我只简要地\n6 读一下——“该转账系由 G Club\n7 Operations LLC（G俱乐部运营有限责任公司）发起至 Fiesta Property Developments（嘉年华地产开发公司），一家房地产\n8 控股公司。”你看到了吗？\n9 答：看到了。\n10 问：我们先在这里暂停一下。为了简便起见，\n11 如果我们把 G Club Operations 简称为 Operations 或者 Ops，\n12 你介意吗？\n13 答：好的。\n14 问：好的。而 Fiesta Property，我们就简称为 Fiesta，好吗？\n15 答：好的。\n16 问：Fiesta 在这里被描述为一家“房地产\n17 控股公司”，对吗？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：好的。接着我们继续往下读，上面写着，\n20 由英国的 Mr. He（何先生）拥有，同为 G Club Operations LLC 的所有者。\n21 我们先停在那里。你知道何先生是谁吗？\n22 答：他是——他被列为 G Club 的\n23 最终实益拥有人。\n24 问：好的。Alex H 在这里告诉你，何先生也是\n25 Fiesta 的所有者，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：好的。并且他位于英国，对吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：好的。随后 Alex 继续写道，正如我们所读到的，用于\n5 他们计划购买的一处总价为 1000 万美元的物业的\n6 可能首付款。\n7 你看到了吗？\n8 答：看到了。\n9 问：我读得准确吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：在你今天坐在这里看来，这种措辞对你来说听起来\n12 确定吗？\n13 答：我不知道。\n14 问：那好，我们来看看它。上面写着该转账是用于\n15 “他们计划购买的一处物业的可能首付款”。\n16 我读得准确吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：好的。上面并没有写“我们签署了购房合同，\n19 且下周付款到期”，对吗？\n20 弗根森先生：反对。文件本身就是最好的证明（The document speaks for\n21 itself），法官阁下。\n22 希里克先生：嗯，我只是想澄清\n23 证人的理解。\n24 法庭：你可以回答这个问题。\n25 答：你能重复一下这个问题吗。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 希里克律师（MR. SCHIRICK）：好的。能否请法庭记录员\n2 把刚才的问题重读一遍。抱歉。\n3 法官：请分段提问。\n4 希里克律师：好的。\n5 问：所以这里并没有写，比如，我们签署了一份购买房产的合同，\n6 对吗？\n7 答：对。\n8 问：而且这里也没写首付款将于下周到期，\n9 对吗？\n10 答：对。\n11 问：这里写的是有一个计划，文件中的原话，用于可能的——\n12 费根森律师（MR. FERGENSON）：反对，歪曲\n13 文件内容。\n14 法官：你是主张他没有准确宣读\n15 字面文字吗？\n16 费根森律师：我撤回反对，法官阁下。\n17 法官：好的。继续。\n18 希里克律师提问：\n19 问：所以上面写的是有一个计划，对吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：预期的，对吗？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：不是确定性的，对吗？\n24 答：是的。\n25 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭记录公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：听起来是暂定性质的，对吗？\n2 费根森律师：反对，法官阁下。\n3 法官：反对无效。你可以回答。\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：为了可能支付的首付款，并非确定的，对吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：好的。刚才在直接询问中费根森律师问过你，\n8 你是否审阅了关于Ops与Fiesta之间所提及的\n9 贷款的补充信息。你还记得他\n10 问过你这个吗？\n11 答：不记得了。\n12 问：你是否从Ops和Fiesta收到过任何关于该笔贷款的\n13 补充信息？\n14 答：没有。\n15 问：好的。你是否索要过任何关于从Ops向Fiesta提供贷款的\n16 补充信息？\n17 答：没有。\n18 问：对。你没有索要，对吧？你是否收到了该贷款协议的\n19 副本？\n20 答：没有。\n21 问：没有。但你并没有索要该贷款协议的副本，\n22 对吗？\n23 答：没有。\n24 问：好的。那你是否收到了不动产\n25 购买合同的副本？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 答：没有。\n2 问：那是因为Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）并没有索要不动产\n3 购买合同的副本，对吗？\n4 费根森律师：反对，法官阁下。\n5 法官：你可以回答。\n6 答：没有。\n7 问：澄清一下，摩根士丹利并没有索要那个，\n8 对吗？\n9 答：对。\n10 希里克律师：好的。现在请看\n11 证据项 MSS125。\n12 请稍看一眼这个。\n13 问：你看到这封电子邮件顶部的日期了吗，2021年1月20日？\n14\n15 答：看到了。\n16 问：好的。你还记得几分钟前，午休前，\n17 和费根森律师谈论过这个吗？\n18 答：记得。\n19 问：好的。这封邮件是反欺诈运营部门发来的，\n20 索要有关电汇目的的信息，\n21 对吗？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：好的。发这封邮件的人是Deirdra Harrell，\n24 对吗？抱歉。撤回。\n25 希里克律师：为了明确起见，我们能否——\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 如果可以，请翻到——抱歉。请给我一点时间。\n2 请翻到这份文件的第11页。Jorge（豪尔赫），底部的贝茨编号（Bates number）。\n3\n4 好的，完美。太好了。谢谢。\n5 问：我相信你之前与费根森律师一起审阅过这个，合规部门\n6 提出的与本案相关的问题是，\n7 电汇的目的，也就是左侧倒数第二个框里的内容。\n8 你看到了吗？\n9 答：看到了。\n10 问：好的。那就是你当时回复的问题，\n11 对吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：好的。最终那个——\n14 希里克律师：请翻到第8页。\n15 问：我们在这里又可以看到左侧标有\n16 “电汇目的（手动输入）”的框，你看到了吗？\n17\n18 答：看到了。\n19 问：好的。右边框里所反映的内容\n20 就是你手动输入的内容；是这样吗？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：上面写着，这是向一家关联企业进行的用于房地产投资的电汇。\n23 对吗？\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：这项描述中完全没有Alex H的回答所具有的那种暂定\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 特性；这样说客观吗？\n2\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：好的。最终正是这笔信息被转发给了\n5 反欺诈部门，对吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：他们是根据这笔信息做出决定的。\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：反欺诈部门从未收到过Alex H的电子邮件，对吗？\n10 答：对。\n11 问：他们从未收到过那封听起来带有暂定性质的电子邮件，对吗？\n12 答：对。\n13 问：好的。所以他们没有参考那个信息，客观吧？\n14 答：是的。\n15 希里克律师：好的。现在请翻到\n16 MSS113。\n17 问：你还记得这份文件吗，你在直接询问中与费根森律师\n18 讨论过的2021年1月27日的电子邮件？\n19 答：记得。\n20 问：这涉及一笔与我们刚才审阅的那组文件不同的\n21 电汇，对吗？\n22 答：我想是的。\n23 问：好的。这是你在直接询问中所过目的一系列电汇中的\n24 第二笔电汇，对吗？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：好的。这第二笔电汇是根据你为合规部门\n2 提供的、由你手动输入的相同信息获得批准的，\n3 对吗？\n4 答：是的。\n5 希里克律师：好的。请看 MSS114。\n6 问：同样，你在直接询问中与费根森律师一起审阅过这个，\n7 而这个——撤回。\n8 你记得在直接询问中与费根森律师讨论过\n9 这份文件吗？\n10 答：记得。\n11 问：2021年2月3日的邮件链？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：这涉及又一笔电汇，对吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：而这一笔也是根据你手动输入的\n16 信息获得批准的，对吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：其中缺少了我们刚才一致认可的那种暂定特性，\n19 对吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：你刚才向我承认了Alex H的电子邮件带有一种暂定\n22 特性，对吧；他的解释具有时间特定性。\n23 答：是的。\n24 问：而这里并没有包含那点，对吗？\n25 答：没有。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 希里克律师：好的。现在请看 MSS119。\n2 问：这是一份2021年6月21日的邮件链。你记得\n3 之前与费根森律师审阅过这个吗？\n4 答：记得。\n5 希里克律师：请把文件向下滚动\n6 一点。\n7 就在那儿。请把那一页底部放大，\n8 豪尔赫，页面底部。\n9 问：这涉及一笔3500万美元的电汇申请；\n10 是这样吗？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：申请是要求将款项电汇至Hamilton Digital Assets FD SP，\n13 对吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：好的。你知道——撤回。我相信你在直接询问中\n16 作证说你不知道Hamilton（汉密尔顿）是什么，对吗？\n17 答：对。\n18 问：好的。你也不知道Hamilton与G|CLUBS之间是否存在协议，\n19 对吗？\n20 答：对。\n21 问：你就是掌握不到那项信息？\n22 答：对。\n23 问：从某种意义上说你是可以掌握的，对吧？\n24 费根森律师：反对，法官阁下。\n25 法官：你可以回答这个问题。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问题是她是否原本可以去询问？你是这个\n2 意思吗？不过你不能要求她进行推测。\n3 希里克律师：不是。原本可以索要那项\n4 信息，对吗？\n5 法官：嗯，那就是推测了。你的意思是\n6 她是否有能力去询问？是这个问题吗？\n7 希里克律师：是的。这样问很合理，法官阁下。\n8 法官：好的。继续。\n9 希里克律师提问：\n10 问：摩根士丹利原本可以去索要吗？\n11 费根森律师：反对。\n12 法官：我只是想避开“原本可以”这部分。\n13 希里克律师：合情合理。\n14 法官：摩根士丹利有能力去\n15 询问吗？\n16 证人：有。\n17 法官：继续。\n18 希里克律师提问：\n19 问：好的。但摩根士丹利没有去问，对吗？\n20 费根森律师：已问且已答，法官阁下。\n21 法官：反对成立。好的。继续下一项。\n22 希里克律师：好的。请看 MSS120。\n23 同样请聚焦到这份文件的底部。\n24 问：Berstler（伯斯特勒）女士，这封邮件涉及又一笔\n25 电汇申请，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：这笔是向Hamilton Digital Assets FD SP汇款1500万美元，\n4 对吗？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：摩根士丹利同样没有索要与此笔电汇相关的、\n7 Hamilton与G Club之间签署的协议，\n8 对吗？\n9 答：对。\n10 希里克律师：好的。现在请看 MSS124。\n11 问：好的。这是一份2021年8月5日的邮件链，对吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：这封邮件链涉及你在几分钟前与费根森律师谈到过的\n14 一笔被退回的电汇，对吗？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：好的。这距离Fiesta那笔260万的电汇大约两周左右——\n17 撤回。\n18 这封邮件距离摩根士丹利发起的一笔失败的电汇\n19 交易大约过去了两周；是这样吗？\n20 答：我不知道那算不算失败。\n21 希里克律师：好的。那么，请把文件\n22 稍微向下滚动一点。\n23 我们可以放大那里。\n24 问：Alex H的邮件，2021年7月29日。你看到了吗？\n25 答：看到了。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：重要性是“高”，你看到了吗？\n2 答：看到了。\n3 问：好的。上面写着，“Christina（克里斯蒂娜），下午好。随信附上\n4 退回给我们的电汇单。”对吗？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：好的。那么这是否唤起了你的记忆，记起这是一笔\n7 失败的电汇交易？\n8 答：我——我不知道。\n9 问：好的。那么，我相信你在直接询问中作证说，此时\n10 该账户已被阻止进行任何第三方\n11 交易，对吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：根据你在摩根士丹利的经验，有时\n14 账户会被合规部门阻止进行第三方交易，\n15 对吗？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：好的。这是在2021年8月，对吗？\n18 答：这是在7月。\n19 问：说得对。\n20 如果我们缩小并向上滚动，你会看到最顶部的\n21 邮件是2021年8月5日。\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：好的。依你最准确的记忆，这是G|CLUBS的账户\n24 首次在摩根士丹利被阻止交易的时候吗？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 答：我不记得具体时间了。\n2 问：好的。那么，在此之前你是否记得有任何被阻止的电汇\n3 交易？\n4 答：我不记得了。\n5 问：好的。所以你无论如何都记不清了？\n6 费根森律师：反对。已问且已答。\n7 法官：反对成立。\n8 问：你认为如果更早就被阻止了的话，你会记得吗？\n9\n10 费根森律师：反对。\n11 法官：行了。这种推测和提出假设性问题的做法，\n12 请不要再进行了。\n13 希里克律师：谢谢，法官阁下。\n14 问：好的。你刚才作证说，在摩根士丹利16年的职业生涯中，\n15 你与该行的合规部门打过交道，\n16 对吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：你是否认同我的说法，摩根士丹利是，\n19 你知道的，全球最大的银行之一？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：好的。并且享有全球声誉？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：说得直白一点，摩根士丹利在银行业举足轻重，\n24 对吗？\n25 费根森律师：反对，与本案无关。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 法庭：我想知道她是否认为\n2 她的雇主举足轻重。你可以回答。\n3 希里克律师（MR. SCHIRICK）：在银行业界。\n4 证人：Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）是一家大型银行。\n5 问：好的。明白。\n6 依您的经验，该银行对自身声誉是否敏感？\n7 答：我不知道。\n8 问：它对自身声誉面临的风险是否敏感？\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：好的。是的。我的意思是，这合情合理。那么您\n11 是否大致了解，当银行收到政府就某位银行客户\n12 展开调查的传票时，银行会作何反应？\n13 答：不了解。\n14 问：好的。在您于摩根士丹利 16 年的职业生涯中，\n15 您是否遇到过您所经手的银行客户，\n16 摩根士丹利收到了与该客户相关的\n17 传票的情况？\n18 费根森律师（MR. FERGENSON）：反对提问形式。\n19 法庭：你是在问她过去是否知晓\n20 某位摩根士丹利客户收到过传票吗？是\n21 这个问题吗？\n22 希里克律师：问题是她是否知晓，\n23 过去摩根士丹利是否收到过与其经手的客户、\n24 摩根士丹利客户相关的传票。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 法庭：你可以回答。\n2 答：我不知道。\n3 问：好的。依您与合规部门打交道的经验，\n4 收到关于某位银行客户的传票，对合规部门而言\n5 是否属于危险信号？\n6 答：我不知道。\n7 问：好的。您是否知道摩根士丹利是否收到过\n8 政府发出的与 G|CLUBS 相关的传票？\n9 答：不知道，我不知道。\n10 问：好的。您是否曾向合规部门询问过此事是否发生过？\n11 答：没有。\n12 问：他们是否曾告诉过您此事是否发生过？\n13 答：没有。\n14 问：好的。所以您不知道银行收到\n15 传票是否——\n16 费根森律师：反对，法官阁下。\n17 法庭：反对有效。你不能问那个问题。\n18 问：好的。那么摩根士丹利账户中的 G|CLUBS 资金，\n19 那些资金属于 G|CLUBS，对吗？可以这样说吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：好的。从银行的角度来看，G|CLUBS 拥有\n22 那些资金，对吗？\n23 答：是的。\n24 问：而且它可以随意支配那些资金。\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 问：而且 G|CLUBS 在使用其资金时无需征求摩根士丹利的立场，\n2 对吗？\n3 答：他们需要提交提取资金的申请。\n4 问：当然。但问题是，关于如何使用资金，它无需向摩根士丹利\n5 寻求许可，对吗？\n6 费根森律师：已问且已答。\n7 希里克律师：我认为这是不同的——证人\n8 回答的是另一个问题。\n9 法庭：你可以回答。\n10 答：你能再问一遍这个问题吗？\n11 问：当然。G|CLUBS 在如何使用其资金方面无需向摩根士丹利\n12 寻求许可，对吗？\n13 答：正确。\n14 问：因此，当合规部门询问电汇的用途是什么时，\n15 仅仅是在了解情况，对吗？\n16 费根森律师：反对。\n17 法庭：反对无效。如果你知道，你可以回答。\n18 答：刚才的问题是什么？\n19 问：我们换个方式：据您的理解，摩根士丹利合规部门\n20 （包括欺诈调查部门）的目的之一\n21 是否是保护客户？\n22 答：是为了保护客户和公司。\n23 问：当然，两者兼顾。没错。是为了同时保护两者，对吗？\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：好的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 费根森律师：反对发表评论。\n2 法庭：反对无效。继续。\n3 问：那么只要——撤回。\n4 根据您的经验，只要电汇的用途是商业用途，\n5 您就会把该信息转交给\n6 欺诈调查部门，对吗？\n7 答：是的，我想是的。\n8 问：好的。所以举例来说，G|CLUBS 本可以说\n9 用途是——\n10 法庭：好了。又开始做假设了。\n11 不准做假设。\n12 希里克律师：法官阁下，我们可以简短\n13 庭下商议一下吗？\n14 法庭：可以。\n15 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 （在法官席旁商议）\n2 希里克律师：法官阁下，在主询问期间，\n3 政府被允许询问关于证人依据所收到的信息\n4 会或不会转交什么内容的问题，\n5 政府就此询问了若干\n6 假设性问题，我今天上午 9:00 就提出了\n7 关于假设性问题的异议，\n8 我认为辩方真正在做的只是希望能够就该问题的\n9 另一面提出假设性问题。\n10 法庭：我们知道这就是你想做的。\n11 费根森律师：我认为关键在于，如果他想问，\n12 如果客户向您提供了虚假信息，您是否会\n13 采取措施处理该笔电汇，这没问题，但我不知道\n14 另一个——\n15 希里克律师：那是你想问的问题，\n16 不是我想问的问题。\n17 法庭：只是允许提出假设是为了引出\n18 涉及欺诈的证据。\n19 你问的并不是欺诈。\n20 希里克律师：但是，法官阁下——\n21 法庭：你的假设与欺诈无关。\n22 希里克律师：但是，法官阁下，我认为有关。我认为\n23 假设是为了查明，若向证人提供了信息、\n24 提供了不同的信息，她是否仍会转交该信息，\n25 以表明她同样会\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 把该信息转交过去。她已经作证称做出这些决定\n2 并不是她的职责。\n3 法庭：你的问题不就是她是否会转交\n4 涉及资金用于商业用途的信息吗？\n5 希里克律师：嗯，最初的问题（我认为\n6 已经问过且回答过了）是，如果有任何商业用途，\n7 她是否会转交该信息。我认为她已经回答了那个问题。\n8 我们可以查看记录。我的理解是——\n9 法庭：稍等。我们回到商业用途上。\n10 （宣读记录）\n11 希里克律师：所以关于这个问题她已经给出了回答。\n12 因此我只是试图为了说明的目的就该问题\n13 作进一步提问。\n14 法庭：你想问的是什么？\n15 希里克律师：好的。证人已经同意，\n16 只要用途属于商业用途，她就会\n17 转交该信息。\n18 法庭：好的。\n19 希里克律师：因此，我们的设想是，我们应当能够就\n20 这些商业用途的示例再问两个额外的问题，以证明\n21 G|CLUBS 完全没有理由隐瞒\n22 其此前对该资金的使用情况，因为这不会——\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 反询问\n1 法庭：所以在提出商业用途问题后并没有人提出异议；\n2 我说得对吗？\n3 法庭速记员：是的。\n4 费根森律师：所以那是——\n5 法庭：你放过了那一点。\n6 费根森律师：是的，我让他们问了。但我认为\n7 你们不能去就进一步的说明性示例进行推测。\n8 那纯粹是在要求进行推测。\n9 法庭：你的示例是什么？\n10 希里克律师：就是他们声称计划购买一辆\n11 供会员使用的高端跑车，该信息\n12 同样会被转交过去。\n13 费根森律师：但他们并没有这么说。我的意思是，这才是问题的核心。\n14 法庭：如果当时有人提出异议，我会支持异议的，\n15 我不认为错上加错会变成对的，\n16 所以我不打算准许这个问题。\n17 希里克律师：好的，法官阁下。谢谢。\n18 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 再次主询问\n1 （在公开法庭）\n2 希里克律师：谢谢。\n3 由希里克律师继续：\n4 问：伯斯特勒女士（Ms. Berstler），就最后几个问题。\n5 亚历克斯·H（Alex H）表达过 Fiesta 拟计划——撤回。\n6 费根森律师：反对。\n7 问：亚历克斯·H 表达过——\n8 希里克律师：您是在反对我撤回吗？\n9 没有。好的。\n10 问：伯斯特勒女士，亚历克斯·H 表达过 Fiesta 有\n11 可能购买房产的初步计划。我们之前谈论过这件事，\n12 对吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：好的。而他的解释中具有初步性质这一内容并没有\n15 被转交给欺诈运营部门，对吗？\n16 答：正确。\n17 问：所以如果该信息被转交过去了，我们根本不知道\n18 欺诈运营部门会作何表态，对吗？\n19 费根森律师：反对。要求进行推测。\n20 法庭：反对有效。不要要求她进行推测。\n21 希里克律师：我尽力了，法官阁下。\n22 没有其他问题了，伯斯特勒女士。\n23 法庭：再次主询问。\n24 费根森律师：谢谢，法官阁下。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 再次主询问\n1 洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），请出示 MSS112。\n2 再次主询问\n3 由费根森律师进行：\n4 问：伯斯特勒女士，此前有人向您询问过\n5 关于亚历克斯·H 涉及 Fiesta 转账的电子邮件。\n6 您还记得吗？\n7 答：记得。\n8 费根森律师：抱歉。请稍等片刻。\n9 谢谢。\n10 问：伯斯特勒女士，此前有人向您询问过亚历克斯·H 发出的这笔\n11 向 Fiesta 的最初电汇申请。在反询问中\n12 您还记得吗？\n13 答：记得。\n14 费根森律师：洛夫特斯女士，请放大\n15 最上面的那封电子邮件。\n16 问：在我们查看这封具体的电子邮件之前，伯斯特勒女士，\n17 您是否知道为什么这笔 1000 万美元的申请被拆分成了三笔\n18 不同的申请？\n19 答：不知道。\n20 希里克律师：反对，超出范围。\n21 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n22 问：您是否知道为什么这笔 1000 万美元的申请被拆分成了\n23 三笔不同的电汇？\n24 答：不知道。\n25 问：您是否知道为什么亚历克斯·H 明确说明了\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 Berstler - 再次主询问\n1 该笔贷款有还款计划？\n2 希里克律师：同前反对理由。\n3 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n4 答：不知道。\n5 问：您是否知道这笔贷款究竟有没有被实际偿还过？\n6 答：不知道。\n7 问：伯斯特勒女士，这封电子邮件里是否有提及 Mileson Guo（郭美）？\n8 答：没有。\n9 希里克律师：反对。文件本身已有说明。\n10 法庭：反对无效。你可以回答。\n11 问：里面是否有提及名叫 Qiang Guo（郭强）的人？\n12 答：没有。\n13 问：里面是否有提及 Mileson Guo 是拥有 G|CLUBS 的\n14 基金会的设立人？\n15 希里克律师：反对。\n16 法庭：反对无效。\n17 问：里面是否有提及 Mileson Guo 是拥有 G|CLUBS 的\n18 基金会的设立人？\n19 答：没有。\n20 问：里面是否有提及法拉利（Ferrari）？\n21 希里克律师：反对。\n22 答：没有。\n23 法庭：反对无效。\n24 答：没有。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 主询问\n1 问：里面是否有提及 FXXK EVO 法拉利？\n2 答：没有。\n3 问：里面是否有提及 Stichting Still We Rise 基金会？\n4 答：没有。\n5 费根森律师：没有其他问题了，法官阁下。\n6 法庭：再次反询问。\n7 再次反询问\n8 由希里克律师进行：\n9 问：冒着向您继续询问我们大家都知道\n10 您不知道答案的事情的风险，您是否知道这笔贷款具有\n11 10 年的期限？\n12 答：不知道。\n13 希里克律师：谢谢。没有其他问题了。\n14 法庭：还有再次主询问吗？\n15 费根森律师：没有了，法官阁下。\n16 法庭：好的。你可以退庭了。\n17 证人：谢谢。\n18 法庭：谢谢。\n19 （证人退庭）\n20 法庭：检方可以传唤其下一位\n21 证人。\n22 默里检察官（MS. MURRAY）：好的，法官阁下。政府传唤\n23 乔斯林·雷耶斯（Jocelyn Reyes）。\n24 （证人宣誓）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1 法庭：请就座。\n2 请陈述并拼写您的姓名。\n3 证人：Jocelyn Reyes（乔斯林·雷耶斯）。J-O-C-E-L-Y-N，\n4 R-E-Y-E-S。\n5 法庭：你可以发问了。\n6 默里女士：谢谢您，法官阁下。\n7 JOCELYN REYES（乔斯林·雷耶斯），\n8 作为政府方证人出庭，\n9 经正式宣誓后作证如下：\n10 直接询问\n11 发问人：默里女士：\n12 问：下午好，雷耶斯女士。\n13 答：下午好。\n14 问：你在哪里工作？\n15 答：FBI（联邦调查局）。\n16 问：你在联邦调查局担任什么职务？\n17 答：法务会计师。\n18 问：作为联邦调查局的法务会计师，\n19 你的职责和责任是什么？\n20 答：作为法务会计师，我结合运用\n21 会计、审计和调查技能来分析\n22 财务信息。\n23 问：你在联邦调查局担任法务会计师有多久了？\n24 答：两年零四个月。\n25 问：除了今天的作证以及相关的准备工作\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1 之外，你是否参与过本案？\n2 答：没有。\n3 问：政府方最初是什么时候联系你并要求\n4 你在本案中作证的？\n5 答：不到一周前。\n6 问：在作证之前，你是否被要求审阅\n7 提供给你的某些政府方证物？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：你是否被要求核实总结了那些证物的\n10 一份政府方证物中的信息？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：你是否对一份政府方证物的准确性进行了审阅？\n13 答：我审阅了，是的。\n14 问：该政府方证物，即汇总证物中的信息，\n15 是否基于大量记录？\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：汇总图表是基于何种或哪些类型的\n18 证物？\n19 答：我审阅过的那些证物。\n20 问：是的。那些是什么类型的文件？\n21 答：银行对账单、印鉴卡、购买\n22 协议以及一些电子邮件的组合。\n23 问：雷耶斯女士，由谁决定你审阅哪些证物？\n24 答：检察官和办案探员。\n25 问：由谁决定在供你审阅其准确性的\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1 汇总图表中包含哪些信息？\n2 答：检察官和办案探员。\n3 问：你是否有机会提出对图表的更正意见，\n4 以确保其准确无误？\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：你是否对图表提出了修改建议？\n7 答：我确实对部分图表提出过微调建议。\n8 问：图表修改之后，现在是否全都\n9 准确无误？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：雷耶斯女士，为明确起见，你是审阅了本案收集的\n12 全部证据，还是仅审阅了图表以及\n13 这些图表所依据的证物？\n14 答：仅审阅了图表以及这些图表所\n15 依据的证物。\n16 默里女士：洛夫特斯女士，能否请我们出示\n17 已作为证据接纳的政府方证物 Stip 14。这是一份\n18 关于银行记录的合意事实书，且已作为证据接纳。\n19 法官阁下，根据本合意事实书，\n20 政府方援引政府方证物 MSS87、MSS88、FAN1、\n21 FAN2、MET19 和 MET27。\n22 法庭：有无异议？\n23 席里克先生：法官阁下，能否请稍等片刻。\n24 （律师商议）\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1 席里克先生：无异议，法官阁下。\n2 法庭：予以采纳。\n3 （政府方证物 MSS87、MSS88、FAN1、FAN2、\n4 MET19 及 MET27 已被采纳为证据）\n5 默里女士：洛夫特斯女士，能否请您现在\n6 出示已作为证据接纳的政府方证物 Stip 8。这\n7 是一份关于文件的合意事实书，且根据本\n8 合意事实书，政府方提呈政府方证物 BR445。\n9 席里克先生：无异议，法官阁下。\n10 法庭：予以采纳。\n11 （政府方证物 BR445 已被采纳为证据）\n12 默里女士：谢谢你，洛夫特斯女士。\n13 能否请仅向证人展示标为\n14 政府方证物 GX Z14 的材料。\n15 我们可以翻看其中的几页。\n16 发问人：默里女士：\n17 问：雷耶斯女士，政府方证物 Z14 是什么？\n18 答：这是一份——一份关于我审阅过的证物的\n19 汇总证物。\n20 问：为准备今天的作证，你是否审阅了支持这些汇总\n21 图表的证物？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：政府方证物 Z14 中包含的图表是否\n24 准确？\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1 默里女士：法官阁下，政府方提呈\n2 政府方证物 Z14。\n3 席里克先生：无异议，法官阁下。\n4 法庭：予以采纳。\n5 （政府方证物 Z14 已被采纳为证据）\n6 默里女士：洛夫特斯女士，能否请翻到\n7 第一页然后公开展示。\n8 发问人：默里女士：\n9 问：雷耶斯女士，从宏观层面看，政府方证物 Z14 中\n10 显示或包含何种类型的信息？\n11 答：我审阅过的证物。\n12 问：那些证物涉及什么信息（如有）？\n13 答：涉及我——获取此信息的主要\n14 原始文件。\n15 问：好的。我们先看这个。这是幻灯片 1。你\n16 能读一下这张幻灯片的标题吗？\n17 答：G Club Operations LLC（G俱乐部运营有限责任公司）——尾号为\n18 8564 的 Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）账户。\n19 问：雷耶斯女士，关于 x8564，你能向陪审团解释一下\n20 该信息反映了什么吗？\n21 答：8564 是账户号码的后四位。\n22 问：这张幻灯片右侧引用了一个 GX 编号。你看到了吗？\n23 答：看到了。\n24 问：那是否是对包含本文所汇总信息的\n25 基础政府方证物的引用？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：雷耶斯女士，你知道 G Club Operations LLC 是什么吗？\n4 答：不知道。\n5 默里女士：请看下一张幻灯片。\n6 问：雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n7 答：尾号为 8564 的摩根士丹利账户的账户概况。\n8 问：那个 8564 账户，是否就是前一张幻灯片中\n9 提及的同一个 G Club Operations LLC 账户？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：看这张幻灯片上的截图，雷耶斯女士，这是\n12 你就作证事宜所审阅的基础银行记录\n13 的截图吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：对于该账户，即摩根士丹利 8564，银行记录中将哪些实体或\n16 个人列为客户联系人？\n17 答：G Club Operations LLC、Alex Hadjicharalambous、Limarie\n18 Reyes Molinaris 和 Haoran He（何浩然）。\n19 问：在银行记录中，G Club\n20 Operations LLC 是如何被描述的（如有）？\n21 答：作为实体。\n22 问：Alex Hadjicharalambous 是如何被描述的（如有）？\n23 答：作为被授权个人。\n24 问：Limarie Reyes Molinaris 呢？\n25 答：作为被授权个人及关键控制人。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO3 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1 问：对何浩然的描述是什么？\n2 答：UBO。\n3 问：雷耶斯女士，你知道 UBO 是什么意思吗？\n4 答：代表最终实益所有人。\n5 问：往下看截图，有一个题为\n6 账户指令（Account Instruction）的部分，然后是简称（Sort Name）。该\n7 栏目下列出了什么信息？\n8 答：G Club——ADP & Expenses（ADP及费用）。\n9 问：雷耶斯女士，你明白提及 ADP &\n10 Expenses 所涉及的内容吗？\n11 答：不明白。\n12 问：然后在这个截图的底部，有一个\n13 账户邮寄与压印地址。首先，什么是\n14 压印地址？\n15 答：是必要时用于——寄送文件的地址。\n16 （续下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1 发问人：默里女士：\n2 问：在该银行记录中，关于摩根士丹利\n3 8564 账户的邮寄与压印\n4 地址是什么信息？\n5 答：注明为 G/Club Operations, LLC，Alex Hadjicharalambous，\n6 162 East 64th Street, New York, New York 10065, United States（美国纽约州纽约市东64街162号，邮编10065）。\n7 问：雷耶斯女士，你以前去过东64街162号吗？\n8 答：没有。\n9 问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n10 这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n11 答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD（嘉年华地产开发有限公司）Santander Bank（桑坦德银行）尾号为\n12 6389 的账户。\n13 问：看页面中间偏下的位置，雷耶斯女士，\n14 有一个方框。该方框右侧是什么信息？\n15 答：截至2020年12月28日的余额，30英镑39便士。\n16 问：那么雷耶斯女士，GBP 涉及什么？\n17 那是指什么？\n18 答：代表英镑。\n19 问：从这张幻灯片来看，那是否就是\n20 桑坦德银行 6389 账户的余额？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n23 这张幻灯片反映了什么信息，\n24 雷耶斯女士？\n25 答：桑坦德银行尾号为 6389 的账户的公司信息。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1\n2 问：那也就是我们刚才在前一张幻灯片中看到的 Fiesta Property Developments Limited 账户？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：这张幻灯片上的截图，是从这张幻灯片右侧引用的\n5 银行记录中截取的吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：看该截图中关于公司任命的信息，\n8 列出的姓名是什么？\n9 答：何浩然。\n10 问：在何浩然的右侧，这是在\n11 左下方，何浩然列出的职务是什么？\n12 答：董事。\n13 问：在董事下方，如果查看这三个栏目，\n14 董事任命所列的日期是什么？\n15 答：2019年8月5日。\n16 问：雷耶斯女士，你能向陪审团解释一下你为什么将其\n17 读为日、月、年吗？\n18 答：根据地址，地址注明位于英国，\n19 所以他们将月份和日期调换了位置。\n20 问：该银行记录中列出的何浩然的国籍\n21 是什么？\n22 答：中国籍。\n23 问：看截图同一部分的左侧，\n24 能否请你列出何浩然所列的地址？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 直接询问\n1\n2 答：79 East Works Drive, Cofton Hackett, Birmingham, United\n3 Kingdom B45AGR（英国伯明翰科夫顿哈克特东工路79号，邮编B45AGR）。\n4 问：雷耶斯女士，看截图上方注册编号下方\n5 有一个名称栏，该银行记录中的\n6 公司名称是什么？\n7 答：Fiesta Property Developments, LTD.。\n8 问：雷耶斯女士，你知道 Fiesta Properties Developments\n9 LTD 是什么吗？\n10 答：不知道。\n11 问：你知道何浩然是谁吗？\n12 答：不知道。\n13 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以看下一张幻灯片了。\n14 雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n15 答：向 Fiesta Property Developments LTD 支付的款项。\n16 桑坦德银行尾号为 6389 的账户。\n17 问：看这张幻灯片上所描绘的箭头，\n18 雷耶斯女士，该箭头反映了什么时间段或时间范围的\n19 交易？\n20 答：2021年1月21日至2021年2月4日。\n21 问：从哪个银行账户到哪个银行账户？\n22 答：从 G/Club Operations LLC 摩根士丹利尾号为\n23 8564 的账户到 Fiesta Property Developments LTD 桑坦德银行尾号为\n24 6389 的账户。\n25 问：雷耶斯女士，来自……的交易总额是多少？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct（主问）\n\n问：在那段时期内从 G/Club Morgan Stanley（摩根士丹利）账户转入 Fiesta Santander（桑坦德银行）账户？\n\n答：10,026,220.20 美元或 7,326,000 英镑。\n\n问：Loftus（洛夫特斯）女士，如果我们能退出这份物证，并请调出已作为证据记录的 Government Exhibit GXGC-544（政府物证 GXGC-544）。Reyes（雷耶斯）女士，您能读一下这份物证即 GXGC-544 首页上的字吗？\n\n答：G/Club Operations LLC（G/Club 运营有限责任公司）与 Jovial Century International Limited（百乐世纪国际有限公司）及 Fiesta Property Developments LTD（Fiesta 房地产开发有限公司）之间的贷款协议（Facility agreement）。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一页。您可以放大顶部。雷耶斯女士，这份协议的日期是哪一天？\n\n答：2021年1月15日。\n\n问：看这里第一项下列出的各方，贷方的公司名称是什么？\n\n答：G/Club Operations LLC。\n\n问：看第三项下，收款方的公司名称是什么？\n\n答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD。\n\n问：在同一段稍后部分，与 Fiesta Properties Developments limited 关联的地址是什么？\n\n答：英国伯明翰科夫顿哈克特东工路 79 号，邮编 B45AGR（79 East Works drive, Cofton Hackett, Birmingham B45AGR, United Kingdom）。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请往下滚动一点，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记有限责任公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n聚焦在约定条款下的第一项。雷耶斯女士，请读一下第一项授信额度（facility）好吗？\n\n答：贷方特此同意向借方出借不超过 1,000 万英镑的金额。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一页。雷耶斯女士，请读一下顶部的第二项，资金用途（use of funds）好吗？\n\n答：借方拟将该笔贷款用于增加对收款方的投资，收款方为一家房地产开发公司。\n\n问：第二项中提到的收款方，洛夫特斯女士，如果我们能回到前一页。看各方一栏，第三项，本合同中哪家公司被列为收款方？\n\n答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请继续往下翻。请滚动浏览。我们要翻到签名页。从这里开始，这是 GXGC-544 的第 14 页。雷耶斯女士，您看到 G/Club Operations LLC 的签名了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：代表 G/Club 签署本贷款协议的个人姓名是什么？\n\n答：Ziyang Liu（刘子旸）。\n\n问：该名个人在文件中被描述为何种身份？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n答：经理（manager）。\n\n问：您认识 Ziyang Liu 吗？\n\n答：不认识。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一页。雷耶斯女士，在这一签名页上有代表 Jovial Century International Limited 和 Fiesta Properties Development Limited 的签名。这两家实体签名下方的印刷体姓名是什么？\n\n答：Haoran He（何浩然）。\n\n问：在 Jovial Century International Limited 签名下方，Haoran He 被描述为何种身份？\n\n答：董事（Director）。\n\n问：在 Fiesta Properties Development Limited 签名下方，Haoran He 被描述为何种身份？\n\n答：董事（Director）。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以撤下这个，请返回 Government Exhibit Z14（政府物证 Z14）的第 6 张幻灯片。实际上，请先返回第 5 张幻灯片片刻。雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片上汇总的交易日期范围是什么？\n\n答：2021年1月21日至 2021年2月4日。\n\n问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片上显示了什么信息？\n\n答：这张幻灯片显示了从尾号为 8564 的 G/Club 摩根士丹利账户汇出的外汇转账。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n问：这就是在您迄今为止的作证过程中我们一直在讨论的同一个摩根士丹利账户，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：看顶部的截图，这是哪个时间段的客户对账单截图？\n\n答：2021年1月1日至 2021年1月31日。\n\n问：看那里红框内的信息，您能解释一下截图那部分包含什么信息吗？\n\n答：活跃资产账户号码 552068564-454，旁边是 G/Club Operations LLC，Ziyang Liu。\n\n问：Ziyang Liu 的拼写与我们刚才在 GXGC-544 贷款协议中看到的拼写完全一致，对吗？\n\n答：我可以看一下上一份物证吗？\n\n问：当然。我们可以调出 GXGC-544。\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：请回到 GXZ-14。雷耶斯女士，再次聚焦于顶部的截图，银行记录的这部分包含什么信息？\n\n答：第一部分显示了 1月21日 发送的金额为 1,700,268.20 美元的外汇电汇，以及日期为 1月27日、金额为 5,942,000 美元的第二笔外汇电汇转账。\n\n问：雷耶斯女士，以第一笔转账即 1月21日 的转账为例，第二栏写着活动类型（activity type），您能说一下该笔电汇在活动类型下列出的是什么吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n答：从账户转出（Transfer out of account）。\n\n问：这是 G/Club 摩根士丹利 8564 账户的对账单，对吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：在下一栏证券或代码（security or symbol）中，那里反映了什么？\n\n答：GBP（英镑）储蓄存款。\n\n问：在备注（comments）中注明了外汇电汇已发出。右侧是数量（quantity），这笔汇出的电汇列出的英镑数量是多少？\n\n答：734,000。\n\n问：下一笔电汇也是同样的问题，雷耶斯女士，1月27日 的电汇，从 G/Club 摩根士丹利账户汇出的这笔电汇的英镑数量是多少？\n\n答：3,660,000。\n\n问：在最右侧一栏，您之前读出的美元金额，根据这份银行记录，是英镑折算成美元的总金额吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：雷耶斯女士，现在看底部的截图，客户对账单的那部分涵盖了什么时间段？\n\n答：2021年2月1日至 2021年2月28日。\n\n问：那是尾号为 8564 的同一个 G/Club 摩根士丹利账户，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：银行对账单的这部分反映了什么外汇转账？\n\n答：2月4日 发送的外汇转账，金额为 4,900,510 美元。\n\n问：再次看一下英镑（GBP）或大不列颠英镑（Great British Pound）的数量，这笔汇出电汇的英镑数量是多少？\n\n答：2,932,000。\n\n问：雷耶斯女士，再次聚焦于顶部的截图，这两笔电汇的美元总额是多少？\n\n答：6,016,710.20 美元。\n\n问：2月4日 转出的电汇总额是多少？\n\n答：4,009,510 美元。\n\n问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。雷耶斯女士，再次看这张幻灯片右侧反映的美元金额和英镑，您能向陪审团解释一下这张幻灯片上反映的信息是如何从我们刚刚查看的银行记录中得出的吗？\n\n答：可以。10,026,220.20 美元是我们刚刚查看的三笔电汇转账的总和，7,326,000 英镑同样是我们刚刚查看的三笔电汇转账的总和。\n\n问：雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n\n答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD 尾号为\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n7427 的 Metro Bank（都会银行）账户。\n\n问：看这张幻灯片底部第二个带有黄色边框的方框下方，右侧反映了关于 Fiesta 尾号为 7427 的 Metro Bank 账户的什么信息？\n\n答：截至 2021年4月21日 的余额，101,000 英镑。\n\n问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n\n答：尾号为 7427 的 Metro Bank 账户印鉴卡（Signature card）。\n\n问：什么是印鉴卡？\n\n答：印鉴卡是列明账户授权签字人的文件。\n\n问：聚焦于这里指示商业账户授权书（business account mandate）的顶部截图。首先，这里列出的账号是尾号为 7427 的 Metro Bank 账户吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：这里列出的第一位个人。首先，让我们聚焦于该截图的最底部，关联类型（relationship type）。针对该个人的关联类型勾选了哪个方框？\n\n答：授权签字人（Authorize signatory）。\n\n问：根据该银行记录所反映，该个人的姓名是什么？\n\n答：Haoran He 先生。\n\n问：Haoran He 列出的企业职务是什么？\n\n答：董事（Director）。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n问：看这张幻灯片下半部分的第二张截图，您在这张印鉴卡上看到印刷体姓名了吗？\n\n答：看到了。\n\n问：那是什么名字？\n\n答：Haoran He。\n\n问：这张印鉴卡实际上签字了吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n\n答：向 Fiesta Property Developments LTD 尾号为 7427 的 Metro Bank 账户付款。\n\n问：看第二个绿色箭头，从 Santander 6389 到 Metro Bank 7427 那里反映了什么信息？\n\n答：2021年4月23日 转账了 7,176,372 英镑 62 便士。\n\n问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。雷耶斯女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n\n答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD 资金流向。\n\n问：看左下侧，这些方框内包含什么信息？\n\n答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD 的 Wells Fargo（富国银行）账户，以及 Passione Rossa, LLC（Passione Rossa 有限责任公司）、Ferrari Beverly Hills（法拉利比弗利山庄店）。\n\n问：雷耶斯女士，您知道 Passione Rossa, LLC 是什么吗？\n\n答：不知道。\n\n问：您去过比弗利山庄的法拉利门店吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - Direct\n\n答：没有。\n\n问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。雷耶斯女士，现在看左下侧，从 Fiesta Wells Fargo 方框到 Passione Rossa, LLC 方框的箭头中显示了什么？\n\n答：2021年5月26日 在 Fiesta Property Developments LTD 与 Passione Rossa, LLC 之间发送的 500,000 美元转账。\n\n问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。雷耶斯女士，结合这些图表，您是否还审查了政府向您提供的业务记录？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：是否包括右侧列出的物证 GXBR-440？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：这张幻灯片显示了该政府物证的截图吗？\n\n答：是的。\n\n问：聚焦于顶部的截图，那是什么？\n\n答：是一封电子邮件。\n\n问：那封电子邮件的日期是哪一天？\n\n答：2021年5月28日。\n\n问：电子邮件的主题栏是什么？\n\n答：ACH（自动清算所）查询 Passione Rossa, LLC。\n\n问：雷耶斯女士，ACH 是什么意思？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 主询问\n1 答：ACH 代表自动清算所（automated clearing house）。\n2 问：那是电汇的另一种说法吗？\n3 答：它是一种类型。是另一种类型的电子转账。\n4 问：看电子邮件的正文，您能为我们读一下吗，从“我只是”开始？\n5\n6 答：我只是想就我们之前关于 Passione Rossa 的 ACH 贷记的对话与您联系。\n7 我们唯一能够获取的信息是资金来自 Wells Fargo（富国银行），\n8 以及下文显示的交易明细。\n9\n10\n11 问：然后看第二张截图，Reyes 女士，左上角写着 Passione Rossa, LLC。\n12 在这部分底部有一个日期和一笔借记，您能读一下那反映了什么吗？\n13\n14 答：2021年5月26日，借记金额为 500,000 美元。\n15 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。这里的箭头，\n16 Reyes 女士，从 Metro Bank（都会银行）7427、Fiesta Property\n17 Developments 账户到 Passione Rossa，那里显示的美元金额和英镑金额是多少？\n18\n19 答：3,500,000 美元以及 2,556,050 英镑 54 便士。\n20 问：那笔 350 万美元或 250 多万英镑交易的日期是什么？\n21\n22 答：2021年6月16日。\n23 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n24 这张幻灯片的标题是什么，Reyes 女士？\n25 答：Passione Rossa, LLC 业务记录。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 主询问\n1 问：顶部的截图，我来读一下，\n2 读完请告诉我我是否读得正确。\n3 来自 Passione Rossa, LLC，Ferrari Beverly Hills（比弗利山法拉利，定义为卖方）\n4 致 Stichting Administratiekantoor Still we Rise Incorporated（在荷兰注册，\n5 被描述为买方）的信函。我读得对吗？\n6\n7\n8 问：第二张截图第 1 项，能请您读一下吗？\n9 答：特此确认我们的协议，根据该协议，我们同意向您出售，\n10 且您同意购买我们的车辆 Ferrari FXX-K EVO 汽车，\n11 底盘号 240860（如附表 C 所述的车辆或 FXX-K。）\n12\n13 问：看这里的第 2 项，约定的购买价格列为 400 万美元，是否属实？\n14\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：然后往下有一处表明，约定的价格应按如下方式支付。\n17 看第一段，不可退还的定金，\n18 购买这辆车的该笔定金金额是多少？\n19\n20 答：500,000 美元。\n21 问：然后看这里的最后一句话，尾款，\n22 该车将要支付的尾款是多少？\n23 答：3,500,000 美元。\n24 问：底部的截图，Reyes 女士，有一个名字和姓氏，\n25 那上面写着什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 主询问\n1 答：Qiang Guo（郭强）。\n2 问：您知道 Qiang Guo 是谁吗？\n3 答：不知道。\n4 问：Qiang Guo 签署此文件的日期是什么？\n5 答：2021年5月17日。\n6 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n7 Reyes 女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n8 答：Passione Rossa, LLC 业务记录买卖契约（bill of sale）。\n9 问：看这个的右上角，我们在截图右上角看到的文字是什么？\n10\n11 答：法拉利官方经销商，Ferrari Beverly Hills。\n12 问：在最底部截图的中间，那里写着什么信息？\n13\n14 答：Mattioli Automotive Group（马蒂奥利汽车集团）。\n15 问：看这份文件，标题是买卖契约，这份买卖契约的日期是什么？\n16\n17 答：2021年6月18日。\n18 问：这份买卖契约中反映的物品的品牌和型号是什么？\n19\n20 答：Ferrari FXX-K Evo。\n21 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否放大识别号码。看底部的识别号码，\n22 以 24 开头，识别号码或底盘号列出的最后六位数字是什么？\n23\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 主询问\n1 答：240860。\n2 问：请缩小画面。看这份买卖契约上列出的这辆 FXX-K Evo 的现金价格？\n3\n4 答：400 万美元。\n5 问：列出的卖方公司？\n6 答：Ferrari of Beverly hills。\n7 问：然后列出的这辆法拉利的买方公司？\n8 答：Fiesta Property Developments LTD。\n9 问：请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n10 Reyes 女士，这张幻灯片的标题是什么？\n11 答：资金流向 G/Club Operations LLC 至 Passione Rossa, LLC。\n12 问：Reyes 女士，这是否包含我们刚刚在前面的幻灯片中看过的交易？\n13\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：看底部从 Fiesta Property Developments 到 Passione Rossa 的合并转账，\n16 在 Wells Fargo 和 Metro Bank 账户之间转账的合并金额是多少？\n17\n18\n19 答：400 万美元。\n20 问：请翻到最后一张幻灯片。\n21 Reyes 女士，您能读一下这张幻灯片的标题吗？\n22 答：Passione Rossa, LLC 业务记录，FXX-K，Evo，底盘号 240860。\n23\n24 问：Reyes 女士，这张幻灯片上的照片，\n25 是否就是我们刚才看过的买卖契约中讨论的那辆车的照片？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 交叉询问\n1\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：购买价格为 400 万美元？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：由 Fiesta Property Development 购买？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：这是来自您审阅过的、本幻灯片所引用的业务记录中的照片吗？\n8\n9 答：是的。\n10 MURRAY 女士：法官阁下，我可以稍等片刻吗？\n11 法庭：可以。\n12 MURRAY 女士：没有其他问题了。谢谢。\n13 法庭：交叉询问。\n14 交叉询问\n15 由 SCHIRICK 先生进行：\n16 问：简短问几个问题，Reyes 女士。我相信您在主询问中作证说，\n17 政府律师第一次要求您来此作证是在不到一周前。对吗？\n18\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：在检察官要求您今天站上证人席作证之前，\n21 您对本案一无所知，对吗？\n22\n23 答：没错。\n24 问：您不是联邦调查局（FBI）在本案中的调查小组成员？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 交叉询问\n1 答：不是。\n2 问：您也不是检控团队的成员？\n3 答：不是。\n4 问：您实际上并没有调查您刚才在政府证据 Z-14 中涉及的任何资金转账，\n5 对吗？\n6\n7 答：没错。\n8 问：所以实际上您对本案所知道的一切，\n9 就只有政府提供给您或摆在您面前的东西，对吗？\n10\n11 答：我唯一知道的就是出示的证据以及这些证据的原始文件。\n12\n13 问：对。所有那些东西都是政府律师提供给您的？\n14\n15 答：是检察官和案件主管特工提供给我的。\n16\n17 问：也就是由政府律师和 FBI 案件主管特工提供的？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：准确吗？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：那么，在过去大约六天里，您与检察官会面了多少次？\n22\n23 答：我想有三到四次。\n24 问：您记得谁参加了那些会议吗？\n25 答：检察官和案件主管特工。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 交叉询问\n1 问：现在，让我们看图表，政府证据 Z-14，\n2 请把它展示出来。\n3 您能在屏幕上看到吗？\n4 答：可以。\n5 问：向陪审团确认一下。好的。\n6 谁制作了这张图表的初稿？\n7 答：检察官和案件主管特工。\n8 问：在第一稿之后，您与政府律师以及案件主管特工讨论了这张图表，对吗？\n9\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：我相信您在主询问中说过您提出了一些修改建议，对吗？\n12\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：那些仅仅是建议，对吗？\n15 答：我的建议是纠正一个微小的错字。\n16 问：但您明白您是在提建议，对吗？\n17 MURRAY 女士：反对，法官阁下，已问过且已回答。\n18\n19 法庭：反对成立。\n20 问：您明白最终由检察官决定在证据中包含什么内容，对吗？\n21\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：这张图表制作了多少个版本？\n24 答：五个。\n25 问：说这张图表主要是政府律师和案件主管特工制作的，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 交叉询问\n1 而您只是提出了一些意见，这样说公允吗？\n2\n3 答：不。\n4 问：情况不是这样？\n5 答：不是。\n6 问：是您制作了图表？\n7 答：不是我制作的。\n8 问：我只是想理解您的证言。\n9 MURRAY 女士：反对，法官阁下。\n10 法庭：请重读问题。\n11 （记录被重读）\n12 法庭：您可以回答。\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：让我们快速看一下图表。大体上说，\n15 这张图表是关于用于购买一辆法拉利的资金，对吗？\n16\n17 答：这张图表？\n18 问：这样说公允吗？抱歉。我不是故意打断您。\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：这是公允的陈述？\n21 MURRAY 女士：已问过且已回答。\n22 SCHIRICK 先生：我刚才在证人说话时插话了。我只是想澄清一下。\n23\n24 问：请翻到这张图表的第 13 页。抱歉。\n25 我道歉。让我们从第 5 页开始。澄清一下，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 交叉询问\n1 这里用绿色箭头显示的资金流向——撤回。\n2\n3 这里的资金流向是用绿色箭头显示的；这样说公允吗？\n4\n5 答：是的。\n6 问：澄清一下，顶部的 1000 万美元、约 1000 万美元的数字，\n7 是下面显示的英镑金额折合的美元等值，对吗？\n8\n9 答：根据银行对账单，是的。\n10 问：没错很公允。根据您审阅的银行对账单？\n11\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：所以澄清一下，这不是两笔不同金额的不同转账。\n14 它们是等值的，一笔以美元计，一笔以英镑计？\n15\n16 答：是的。\n17 问：现在我们能否翻到——在我们在图表中继续之前，\n18 能否请调出政府证据 GXGC-544。\n19\n20 这是您刚才在主询问中审阅过的授信协议（facility agreement），对吗？\n21\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：让我们——抱歉。撤回。\n24 这份授信协议是在 G/Club Operations、Jovial Century International Limited 与 Fiesta Property\n25 Developments 之间签订的，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 交叉询问\n1\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：那么，当您在主询问中审阅该协议时，如果您记得的话，\n4 政府律师是否询问过您该授信协议的期限是什么？\n5\n6 答：没有。\n7 问：他们没有，对吧。请翻到第 17 页。\n8 现在，您能看到第 17 页顶部写着基本摊销计划表（basic amortization schedule）吗？\n9\n10 答：能看到。\n11 问：您看到了。您知道什么是摊销计划表吗？\n12\n13 答：不完全清楚。\n14 问：按您的理解，说摊销计划表反映了还款计划表，\n15 这样说公允吗？\n16 MURRAY 女士：反对替证人作证，法官阁下。\n17 SCHIRICK 先生：我是在问这是否是一个公允的——\n18 法庭：他在问诱导性问题。请继续。\n19 问：说这反映了贷款的还款条款，公允吗？\n20\n21 答：我认为是的。\n22 问：如果您往下看，大约在左侧中间位置，\n23 有一行写着贷款金额。您看到那里被高亮显示了吗，如果您横向看过去，上面写着每年。您看到了吗？\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 盘问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：然后如果你从那里往上看两行，上面写着\n3 贷款发放日，你是否理解贷款发放日是指\n4 贷款开始的日期？\n5 答：我需要更多信息才能确切知晓。\n6 问：但如果我们横着看过去，你可以看到贷款发放日\n7 被列为 2021年1月1日；对吗？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：然后我们看它下面那一行，上面写着\n10 首次还款日，对吧。如果我们横着往右看，\n11 那里写着 2023年1月1日，对吧？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：所以完全可以说，这笔贷款的首次还款\n14 到期日是 2023年1月1日，对吧？\n15 答：根据这里显示的内容，是的。\n16 问：然后如果我们往上看左边一栏的第二行，\n17 上面写着初始期数，然后是（数字或井号），\n18 然后我们横着往右看，上面写着\n19 十。你看到了吗？\n20 答：看到了。\n21 问：完全可以说，根据你对该文件的理解，\n22 这反映出这是一份十年的还款计划，对吗？\n23\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：我们可以把它撤下来了。那么我们现在能否回到\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 盘问\n1 图表幻灯片第 14 页。抱歉，是第 13 页。\n2 现在，从顶部开始，你知道谁是\n3 G/Clubs Operations LLC 的所有人吗？\n4 答：不知道。\n5 问：你知道谁是 Fiesta Property\n6 Developments LTD（嘉年华地产开发有限公司）的所有人吗？\n7 答：不知道。\n8 问：所以你不知道它们是否拥有同一所有人，对吧？\n9 答：我必须查阅原始文件和证据。\n10\n11 问：那么，这些原始文件或证据中有任何一份告诉你\n12 谁拥有这家公司吗？\n13 答：我必须详细审查它们才能确切知晓。\n14\n15 问：那么，完全可以说你在这张图表中审查了银行记录，对吗？\n16\n17 答：我审查了这张幻灯片上显示的银行账户的银行记录。\n18\n19 问：作为准备这张幻灯片的一部分，你没有审查任何股东协议，对吧？\n20\n21 答：没有。\n22 问：你没有审查任何能反映底层实体所有权情况的协议，对吧？\n23\n24 答：我确实记得在其中一份证据中说明了其中一位\n25 最终受益所有人。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 盘问\n1 问：对。Mr. He（何先生），对吧，H-E？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：但除此之外，你没有审查任何能显示谁拥有 G/Clubs Operations LLC 或\n4 谁拥有 Fiesta Properties Developments, LTD 的底层文件？\n5\n6 答：没有。\n7 问：现在，如果我们翻到第 14 页，你还记得几分钟前在直接主问中\n8 向你展示过这个吗？\n9 答：记得。\n10 问：你可以看到这里——撤回。\n11 这是从法拉利车行购买法拉利的\n12 买卖合同，对吧？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：你看到汽车的买方被列为 Stichting\n15 Administratiekantoor Still We Rise Incorporated 吗？\n16 答：看到了。\n17 问：为简便起见，我直接称其为 Still We Rise。\n18 可以吗？\n19 答：可以。\n20 问：你知道谁设立了 Still We Rise 吗？\n21 答：不知道。\n22 问：而且你不知道 Still We Rise 与 G/Clubs 之间是否存在共同所有权，对吧？\n23\n24 答：不知道。\n25 问：或者 Still We Rise 与\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 盘问\n1 Fiesta Properties Developments, LTD 之间是否存在共同所有权，对吧？\n2 答：正确。\n3 问：因此你不知道 G/Clubs 是否是 Still We Rise 的子公司，对吧？\n4\n5 答：正确。\n6 问：而且你不知道这份 GXZ-14 中显示的\n7 所有转账是否都是在同一公司家族内部\n8 发生的转账，对吧？\n9 你只是手头没有这些信息。\n10 我问的就只是这个。\n11 答：我没有。\n12 问：那么我们来看一下。如果我们能回到幻灯片第 13 页，看一下\n13 这张图表中的时间线。\n14 现在，如果你看顶部，从\n15 G/Club Operations 到 Fiesta 的第一笔转账，始于 2021年1月，\n16 对吧？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：正如顶部绿色框中所显示的？\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：然后如果我们把视野拉远，看底部。\n21 转账，现在购买法拉利发生在\n22 2021年6月，对吧，正如从这个橙色框\n23 连到黄色框所显示的，对吧？\n24 答：那是从 Fiesta Property Developments 向 Passione Rossa, LLC（红热情有限责任公司）Ferrari Beverly Hills（比弗利山法拉利）\n25 汇出 3,500,000 美元的时间。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 盘问\n1 问：那是购买法拉利的最后一笔付款，对吧？\n2 答：是的。\n3 问：那是在我们在图表顶部看到的 2021年1月转账的\n4 五个月之后，对吧？\n5 答：差不多，是的。\n6 问：大约。说得通。\n7 那么现在谈到购买法拉利，\n8 你没有审查过关于该车何时上市销售的任何记录，\n9 对吗？\n10 答：据我回忆没有，没有。\n11 问：而且你没有——你没有审查——撤回。\n12 你不知道买方 Still We Rise 何时\n13 知晓该车待售，对吧？\n14 MS. MURRAY（默里女士）：反对。\n15 MR. SCHIRICK（希里克先生）：我在问她是否知情。\n16 MS. MURRAY：你是在问某人是否知晓\n17 某事。\n18 MR. SCHIRICK：我换个说法。\n19 THE COURT（法庭）：请继续。\n20 问：你知道买车人 Still We Rise\n21 何时知晓该车待售吗？\n22 答：不知道。\n23 问：所以你不知道关于这次潜在法拉利买卖的首次沟通\n24 是否发生在 2021年5月，对吧，你手头根本没有这些信息？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 盘问\n1 答：没有。\n2 问：现在，如果我们最后再看一次第 13 页上\n3 绿色框里的这张图表顶部。完全可以说这张图表\n4 专门聚焦于从 G/Club 摩根士丹利（Morgan Stanley）账户（尾号 8564）\n5 转出的大约 1000 万美元转账，对吧？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：这张图表显示的就只有这些，对吧？\n8 答：不。它显示了资金在 G/Club Operations\n9 摩根士丹利账户 8564 与 Fiesta Property Developments\n10 桑坦德银行（Santander）账户 6389 之间流动，并最终流向 Passione Rossa。\n11 问：明白。但那是从 G/Clubs Operations 摩根士丹利账户的\n12 第一笔转出开始的？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：我问的就只是这个。所以你不知道 G/Club 还有哪些其他\n15 银行账户，对吧？\n16 答：我知道的唯一账户是 G/Club Operations, LLC\n17 尾号为 8564 的摩根士丹利账户。\n18 问：所以你甚至不知道摩根士丹利是否还有其他 G/Clubs 账户，\n19 对吗？\n20 答：正确。\n21 问：而且你也不知道在其他银行是否还有其他 G/Clubs\n22 账户，对吧？\n23 答：正确。\n24 问：你也不知道在其他投资机构是否还有其他 G/Club 账户，\n25 对吧？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 盘问\n1 答：正确。\n2 问：现在，如果我们聚焦于左下角的框，即橙色框\n3 Fiesta Property Developments LTD Wells Fargo（富国银行），你看到了吗？\n4\n5 答：看到了。\n6 问：这里反映了有一笔用于购买法拉利的 500,000 美元转账，\n7 对吧？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：而你并没有该账户的记录，对吧？\n10 答：没有。\n11 问：那没有包含在提供给你的材料中，\n12 对吧？\n13 答：据我回忆，在其中一份证据的一封电子邮件中提到了\n14 富国银行账户。\n15 问：对。但我的问题是，你是否有权查阅\n16 该账户的记录？\n17 答：没有。\n18 问：所以你不知道那笔钱是从哪里来的，对吧？\n19 答：我知道向 Passione Rossa, LLC 转账的 500,000 美元\n20 来自 Fiesta Properties Developments LTD。\n21 问：我问的是你是否知道那 500,000 美元在进入该账户之前\n22 来自何处，而你并不知道，因为你无权查阅那些记录？\n23\n24 答：正确。\n25 MR. SCHIRICK：没有其他问题了。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes\n1 THE COURT：有再主问吗？\n2 MS. MURRAY：谢谢法官阁下，简短问几个问题。\n3 再直接主问\n4 询问人：MS. MURRAY：\n5 问：Reyes 女士，在交叉盘问中有人问了你一些关于你对政府证据\n6 Z-14 提出的修改建议的问题。你还记得吗？\n7\n8 答：记得。\n9 问：你指出或确认的所有修改\n10 是否都实际落实到了图表上？\n11 答：没有。\n12 问：你提出的哪些建议或修改\n13 没有落实到图表上？\n14 答：据我回忆，包括具体的账号或\n15 账号的后几位。凭我的记忆，我记得的就是这些。\n16\n17 问：那些更多是你对图表提出的格式与样式上的建议吗？\n18\n19 答：是的。\n20 问：你审查了支持图表中所反映信息的\n21 底层文件，对吗？\n22 答：是的。\n23 问：而且根据原始文件，这些图表是准确的，\n24 对吗？\n25 答：正确。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 J. Reyes - 再盘问\n1 问：Z-14 中包含的所有信息都是准确的？\n2 答：正确。\n3 问：而且，Reyes 女士，你参与本案调查或\n4 本案的范围仅限于你今天的证言以及你\n5 对该图表和那些证据的审查；是这样吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：那些都是政府向你提供的证据？\n8 答：是的。\n9 MR. SCHIRICK：重复提问且已作答。\n10 THE COURT：反对无效。\n11 问：Reyes 女士，你知道 G/Clubs 中的 G 代表什么吗？\n12 答：不知道。\n13 问：MR. SCHIRICK：超出范围。\n14 THE COURT：反对无效。\n15 MS. MURRAY：没有其他问题了。谢谢。\n16 THE COURT：再盘问。\n17 再交叉盘问\n18 询问人：MR. SCHIRICK：\n19 问：我相信你对图表提出的是样式上的修改建议，\n20 对吧？\n21 答：你能定义一下样式修改吗？\n22 问：我正想请你来定义，因为我认为这是你使用的词？\n23\n24 答：据我回忆，我曾与检察官讨论过\n25 在其中一张图表上添加账号后四位数字的想法。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 主问\n1\n2 问：所以没有建议进行任何实质性修改，对吧？\n3 答：那些是微小的可能修改。\n4 MR. SCHIRICK：谢谢。没有其他问题了。\n5 THE COURT：好的。谢谢。你可以退庭了。\n6\n7 （证人退庭）\n8 THE COURT：控方可以传唤下一位证人。\n9 MR. HORTON（霍顿先生）：政府传唤 Jacob Hinz（雅各布·辛兹）。\n10 JACOB HINZ，\n11 作为政府传唤的证人，\n12 经依法宣誓后，作证如下：\n13 THE COURT：请陈述你的姓名并拼写出来，\n14 并将麦克风移近你。\n15 THE WITNESS（证人）：Jacob，J-A-C-O-B，Hinz，H-I-N-Z。\n16 THE COURT：你可以发问了。\n17 直接主问\n18 询问人：MR. HORTON：\n19 问：下午好，Hinz 先生。\n20 答：下午好。\n21 问：你在哪里工作？\n22 答：在 Federal Bureau of Investigation（联邦调查局/FBI）。\n23 问：你在 FBI 的职务是什么？\n24 答：我是一名特别探员。\n25 问：特别探员 Hinz，我能否请你把\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 主问\n1 麦克风尽量拉近你的嘴部，并正对着\n2 你说话的位置。你在 FBI 担任特别探员\n3 有多久了？\n4 答：从今年三月开始。\n5 问：在加入 FBI 之前你在做什么？\n6 MS. SHROFF（什罗夫女士）：法官阁下，我们可以简短进行法官席旁商议（sidebar）吗？\n7\n8 THE COURT：好的。\n9 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 （在法官席前边会谈）\n2 SHROFF 女士：法官阁下，我不认为他在军队服役或在此之前是一名学校教师这一事实与本案有任何关联，所以我认为这与他的证言毫无关联。\n3\n4\n5\n6 HORTON 先生：法官阁下，这只是一个简单的问题。他自今年三月起才担任特工，因此我认为这具有相关性，特别是他即将接受交叉询问，陪审团有必要了解他在加入 FBI（联邦调查局）之前是做什么的。\n7\n8\n9\n10 法庭：这些都是基本的背景信息问题。这关乎可信度。异议不予支持。\n11\n12 SHROFF 女士：法官阁下，这只是因为他曾在军队服役，而且——\n13\n14 法庭：Shroff 女士，当我对异议作出不予支持的裁定时，你就应当停止发言。\n15\n16 （接下页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南区速记报告公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 （在公开法庭；陪审团在场）\n2 法庭：你可以继续。\n3 由 HORTON 先生询问：\n4 问：Hinz 特工，你提到你是三月份加入 FBI 的，在加入该局之前你是做什么的？\n5\n6 答：在成为特别特工之前，我在 U.S. Army Reserves（美国陆军预备役部队）担任了六年的 NCO（士官），在那之前我是一名教师，高中教师。\n7\n8\n9 问：总体而言，你的——让我这样问你吧。你在 FBI 属于特定的行动队吗？\n10\n11 答：是的，先生，称为 OS4。\n12 问：OS4 是做什么的？\n13 答：大体上进行背景调查。\n14 问：Hinz 特工，除了你今天的作证以及为该作证所做的准备工作之外，你是否参与过本案？\n15\n16\n17 答：没有，先生，完全没有。\n18 问：特别特工 Hinz，在你作证之前，你是否被要求审查某些政府物证并对其中的信息进行总结？\n19\n20\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：你是否编制或审查过一些汇总图表的准确性？\n23 答：我审查过，是的。\n24 问：这些图表是否全部基于浩繁的记录？\n25 答：是的，先生。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 问：这些图表是基于何种或哪些种类的物证？\n2\n3 答：绝大多数是电子邮件往来以及一些照片。\n4 问：由谁决定你审查哪些信息以及图表中应包含哪些信息？\n5\n6 答：我不知道。\n7 问：是你决定的吗？\n8 答：不是我。\n9 问：你是否有机会对图表进行修改以确保其准确？\n10\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：你对图表进行过修改吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：在你修改图表之后，它们现在是否都准确无误？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：Hinz 特工，你今天早些时候是否审查过其中某些图表的准确性？\n17\n18 答：我审查过。\n19 问：为了明确起见，你是审查了本案中收集的所有证据，还是仅仅审查了这些图表以及这些图表所依据的物证？\n20\n21\n22 答：仅仅是这些图表以及与这些图表相关的物证。\n23 HORTON 先生：法官阁下，此时我想提出双方当事人达成的一项约定事项，已标为约定事项 15，即一份在线账户约定事项。\n24\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 法庭：没有异议，对吗？\n2 SHROFF 女士：没有异议，法官阁下。\n3 法庭：予以采信。\n4 （政府方物证约定事项 18 被采纳为证据）\n5\n6 HORTON 先生：Loftus 女士，能否请予以出示。我说错了。该文件已被标为政府方物证 Stip 1-8，即 18，而不是 15。该文件名称为关于在线账户的约定事项。\n7\n8\n9\n10 其中载明，双方一致同意 GXUK-768 包含账户 UKistruehome@gmail.com 的订户信息。其中载明 GXUK-1 至 GXUK-417 是账户 UKistruehome@gmail.com 在物证表面注明的日期发送或接收的电子邮件及其附件（如有）。GXUK-700 至 GXUK-777 是存储在账户 UKistruehome@gmail.com 的 Google drive（谷歌云端硬盘）文件存储空间中的图片及其他文件。第四条载明上述所列物证系由政府合法取得。\n11\n12\n13\n14\n15\n16\n17\n18\n19\n20 文末载明，双方进一步约定并同意，在符合提出异议的前提下，本约定事项以及本约定事项中所列的物证可在庭审中作为政府方物证予以采信。上面有今天的日期。政府方将约定事项 18 提交记录在案。\n21\n22\n23\n24\n25 法庭：予以采信。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 （政府方物证 Stip 18 被采纳为证据）\n2 由 HORTON 先生询问：\n3 问：Loftus 女士，能否请撤下这份文件，并调出已作为证据采纳的 GXBR-1604。请放大该物证顶部的消息。\n4\n5\n6 Hinz 特工，审查的文件仅限于电子邮件，还是也有其他类型的文件？\n7\n8 答：我相信还有其他类型的文件。有一些账户的截图，以及如我之前所说的那样有照片。\n9\n10\n11 HORTON 先生：法官阁下，在加载下一份物证期间，政府方参照 GXStip-18，提请采纳 GXUK-1 至 417 以及 GXUK-700 至 777。\n12\n13\n14 法庭：没有异议，对吗？\n15 SHROFF 女士：没有异议，法官阁下。\n16 法庭：予以采信。\n17 （政府方物证 UK-1 至 UK-417、UK-700 至 UK-777 被采纳为证据）\n18\n19 由 HORTON 先生询问：\n20 问：屏幕上显示的是已采信为证据的文件，能否请出示已作为证据采纳的 GXBR-1604。\n21\n22 特别特工 Hinz，这封电子邮件发件人一栏中的姓名和电子邮件地址是什么？\n23\n24 答：上面显示为 Mileson，电子邮件为 UKistruehome@gmail.com。\n25 问：主题栏是什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 答：上面仅写着“回复 FXX-K, Evo 底盘 240860”。\n2 问：能否请读一下“尊敬的各位”（Dear All）下面的两句话？\n3 答：好的。“我不理解这封邮件。我们正在尽最大努力保持耐心并尽快推进交易。我们已经等了好几个星期来支付发票的剩余款项了。”\n4\n5\n6 问：谢谢。Loftus 女士，能否请撤下这页，替换为同样已被采纳为证据的 GXUK-768。\n7\n8 特别特工 Hinz，这些是 Google（谷歌）订户记录，这是什么意思？\n9\n10 答：这是该公司向我们提供的关于通过互联网发送和接收某些文件的人员的信息。\n11\n12 问：该订户信息涉及什么信息？\n13\n14 答：联系邮箱，地址为 UKistruehome@gmail.com。\n15 问：Loftus 女士，请放大顶部账单、税务、配送、法定默认栏目下方的内容。\n16\n17 Hinz 特工，能否请读出 UKistruehome@gmail.com 订户的姓名和地址？\n18\n19 答：请原谅我的发音，Qiang Guo（郭强），大不列颠伦敦太子门 5 号 6 号公寓。\n20\n21 问：Loftus 女士，能否请放大该订户部分最底下的两组姓名。\n22\n23 Hinz 特工，这里的订户信息上显示的是哪两个姓名？\n24\n25 答：Mei Guo（郭美）和 Qiang Guo（郭强）。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 问：这两个姓名对应的地址是什么？\n2 答：美国康涅狄格州格林威治塔科尼克路 373 号（373 Taconic Road, Greenwich, Connecticut, United States）。\n3 问：谢谢，Loftus 女士。你可以撤下这个，请向证人出示标为 GXZ-20 的文件。能否请翻阅一下，然后返回第一页。\n4\n5\n6 Hinz 特工，这份文件是什么？\n7 答：这是我在此之前审查过其有效性或准确性的汇总文件之一。\n8\n9 SHROFF 女士：法官阁下，抱歉。我听不清证人的声音。\n10\n11 法庭：请你大声一点。\n12 答：这是提供给我的文件之一，我核对了其与作为证据的相关文件的准确性。\n13\n14 问：你是否审查了该图表所依据的所有物证？\n15\n16 答：是的，每一份都审查了。\n17 问：图表是否准确？\n18 答：是的。\n19 HORTON 先生：政府方提请采纳 GXZ-20。\n20 法庭：无异议，予以采信。\n21 （政府方物证 Z-20 被采纳为证据）\n22 由 HORTON 先生询问：\n23 问：Loftus 女士，请予以出示。总体而言，Hinz 特工，这张图表显示了什么？\n24\n25 答：一些通信往来。里面有护照以及各种\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 照片。\n2 问：在所选内容中，那些内容是由你挑选的吗，Hinz 特工？\n3\n4 答：不是。\n5 问：对于其中包含或排除哪些内容，你有选择权吗？\n6\n7 答：没有。\n8 问：在所选内容那一栏中，其中的项目是相应物证的完整文本、完整图像，还是仅仅是摘录？\n9\n10\n11 答：一般是摘录。\n12 问：在右侧一栏中，Hinz 特工，该栏项目中的 GX 指的是什么？\n13\n14 答：物证。\n15 问：看这张图表的第一行，第一行中在所选内容下方显示了什么？\n16\n17 答：是对 Qiang Guo（郭强）个人的授权书，授权其代表 Genever 公司行事。\n18\n19 问：Loftus 女士，能否请高亮显示第一行中的第二行内容。\n20\n21 上面写着授权 Qiang Guo。Hinz 特工，能否请读出其后括号里的内容？\n22\n23 答：又名 Mileson Kwok（郭强）。\n24 问：此图表第二行的所选内容中显示的是何种文件？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 答：收件人和发件人信息，是一封电子邮件的订户信息。\n2\n3 问：请读一下主题行，好吗？\n4 答：发自 Mileson Guo。\n5 问：图表第一页第三行下方显示的是何种文件？\n6\n7 答：一本塞浦路斯的护照。\n8 问：护照上有姓名吗？\n9 答：有。\n10 问：姓名是什么？\n11 答：Qiang Guo。\n12 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否翻到该图表 GXZ-20 的第三页。Hinz 特工，这是何种文件？\n13\n14 答：照片。\n15 问：总体而言，照片中描绘的是什么？\n16 答：几个人在用餐。\n17 问：你知道他们中的任何人是谁吗？\n18 答：我不知道。\n19 问：Loftus 女士，请翻到下一张幻灯片。\n20 这是何种文件？\n21 答：另一张照片。\n22 问：它描绘了什么？\n23 答：一位男士站在我认为是船的物体上。\n24 问：这些摘录是否全部来自 UK is True Home 的 Google 账户？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz- 直接询问\n1 答：我不知道。\n2 问：Loftus 女士，我们能否翻到该图表的最后一页。\n3 该行中有来自几份文件的摘录？\n4 答：两份。\n5 问：在左侧，那里摘录的是何种文件？\n6 答：一些订户信息、地址。\n7 问：它是何种文件？\n8 答：我不确定。我相信是一封电子邮件。\n9 问：在 Mr. Qiang Guo 下方的注册地址上写着什么？\n10\n11 答：美国康涅狄格州格林威治塔科尼克路 373 号。\n12 问：该行右侧显示的是什么？\n13 答：看似是一部手机，看起来可能是用于某些导航路线的 Google maps（谷歌地图）。\n14\n15 问：该图像上是否有显示地址？\n16 答：有。\n17 问：你能读出该地址吗？\n18 答：塔科尼克路 373 号。\n19 问：Loftus 女士，请向证人出示标为 GXZ-21 的文件。\n20\n21 Hinz 特工，这份文件是什么？\n22 答：我审查过的另一份汇总文件。\n23 问：你是否审查了本图表中提及的所有物证？\n24\n25 答：是的。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 问：图表是否准确？\n2 答：是的。\n3 霍顿先生（MR. HORTON）：控方提交检方证物 Z-21（GXZ-21）。\n4 什罗夫女士（MS. SHROFF）：没有异议，法官阁下。\n5 法庭：准予采纳。\n6 （检方证物 Z-21 被采纳为证据）\n7 霍顿先生继续询问：\n8 问：最左侧一栏的收件人、发件人、主题和日期，这些\n9 指的是什么，欣茨（Hinz）探员？\n10 答：所包含电子邮件的用户注册信息。\n11 问：而在检方证物栏中被选中的内容，其含义\n12 是否与我们刚才看过的图表相同？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），麻烦请将这第一页的\n15 第一行放大。\n16 最左侧框中的文字显示了这份文件的\n17 什么信息，欣茨探员？\n18 答：该邮件是由马泰奥（Matteo）发往 UKistrueHome@gmail.com。\n19 问：马泰奥·甘迪尼（Matteo Gandini）地址的电子邮件域名是什么？\n20 答：Matteo.Gandini@Ferrari.com。\n21 问：您能读一下这一行中被选中的内容部分吗？\n22 答：好的。“亲爱的迈尔森（Mileson），很高兴与你见面并交谈。\n23 我们刚与卡塔（Catta）谈过你的一些\n24 意愿，我们可能很走运。可能有 2 辆 FXX-K\n25 Evo 车辆可供购买。”\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 问：您知道什么是 FXX-K Evo 汽车吗？\n2 答：我认为它是一辆法拉利（Ferrari）。\n3 问：洛夫特斯女士，如果我们能翻到该证物的第二页，\n4 请您放大。\n5 欣茨探员，在本页左侧，\n6 那些文字显示了这份文件的什么信息？\n7 答：这张照片来源的用户注册信息。\n8 问：发件栏显示了什么？\n9 答：上面写着 FNE、FXX-K 郭迈尔森（Mileson Guo），然后是一辆车的\n10 车辆识别代号（vin number）。\n11 问：其下方写着“发送”，那一行显示了什么？\n12 答：发送的日期和具体时间。\n13 问：这封电子邮件发送的日期和时间是什么？\n14 答：2021年5月12日下午 4:03。\n15 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们看一下被选中内容框。\n16 欣茨探员，这个框里显示的是什么？\n17 答：这是一张汽车的照片。\n18 问：汽车照片上方写着什么文字？\n19 答：上面写着 FXX-K Evo 底盘编号 240860。\n20 问：洛夫特斯女士，如果我们能翻到此图表的第三页。\n21 抱歉，如果我们能翻到第七页。\n22 欣茨探员，看最左侧那一栏，这份文件\n23 是否在 UKistruehome@gmail.com 账户中？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 答：是的，那就是它的来源。\n2 问：这里面是否有任何内容表明该电子邮件包含\n3 附件？\n4 答：有的，底部注明的 pdf 文件。\n5 问：该电子邮件的标题是什么？\n6 答：付款确认一。\n7 问：洛夫特斯女士，请放大被选中内容中的\n8 文字。\n9 顶部写着，请见附件。如果\n10 您能——首先，欣茨探员，这页纸大部分区域\n11 显示的是什么文件？\n12 答：看起来是某种账户汇总表。\n13 问：洛夫特斯女士，请放大借记通知单（debit advice）上方的文字。本页上的银行名称\n14 是什么？\n15 答：都市银行（Metro Bank）。\n16 问：该文件上是否有日期记载？\n17 答：有的。\n18 问：日期是哪天？\n19 答：2021年6月16日。\n20 问：该日期的右侧写着什么？\n21 答：上面写着嘉年华物业开发有限公司（Fiesta Property Developments LTD），英国伯明翰科夫顿哈克特东工路 79 号（79 East Works Drive, Cofton Hackett, Birmingham, Great Britain）。\n22 问：您知道嘉年华物业开发有限公司是什么吗？\n24 答：我不知道。\n25 问：洛夫特斯女士，请缩小画面并向下移动到写有\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 付款详情的地方。\n2 欣茨探员。付款详情的右侧\n3 写着什么？\n4 答：FXX-K Evo 240860 购车投资款。\n5 问：在转账金额旁边，美元金额是多少？\n6 答：我认为是 350 万。\n7 问：洛夫特斯女士，请缩小画面。放大到该文件中借记通知单下方的\n8 受益人一行。\n9 欣茨探员，受益人旁边写着什么？\n10 答：红激情有限责任公司（Passione Rossa, LLT）。\n11 问：您知道什么是红激情公司吗？\n12 答：我不知道。\n13 问：洛夫特斯女士，请调出已采纳为证据的\n14 检方证物 Z-14（GXZ-14）第 11 页。\n15 欣茨探员，您以前见过这份文件吗？\n16 答：没有。\n17 问：这份文件顶部写着什么？\n18 答：上面写着资金流向：G/Club 运营有限责任公司（G/Club Operations LLC）至红激情有限责任公司（Passione Rossa, LLC）。\n19 问：列在页面最底部的\n20 实体是什么？\n22 答：底部一个是红激情有限责任公司，比弗利山法拉利（Ferrari Beverly Hills）。\n24 问：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到检方证物 Z-21（GXZ-21）图表的最后一页。\n25 请放大该页中间的一行，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO4 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 洛夫特斯女士。发件人一行写着来自桑托罗·费代丽卡（Santoro Federica），Federica.Santoro@ferrari.com，发往迈尔森 UKistruehome。\n3 欣茨探员，您能读一下该摘录中被选中的内容吗。\n5 法庭：好的。现在是 2:30，我们将进行\n6 半小时的休庭。陪审团成员们请记住，\n7 你们不得私下讨论本案。\n8 不要让任何人在你们面前讨论本案。不要阅读、观看或收听任何来源中涉及\n10 本案标的事项的任何内容。\n11 证人先生，你可以退庭了。不要讨论你的证词。\n12 （证人暂时退庭）\n13 法规秘书：陪审团退庭。\n14 （陪审团不在场）\n15 法庭：请退庭。在我们下午 3 点返回之前，\n16 还有其他事项吗？\n17 霍顿先生：检方没有了。\n18 什罗夫女士：没有了，法官阁下。谢谢。\n19 法庭：很好。\n20 （休庭）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 法庭：请带陪审员入庭。\n2 （陪审团在场）\n3 法庭：请就座。\n4 先生请记住，你仍在宣誓状态下。\n5 您可以继续询问。\n6 霍顿先生：谢谢法官阁下。\n7 洛夫特斯女士，请调出检方证物 Z21（GX Z21）的第 8 页。\n8 问：欣茨探员，这里显示的是——\n9 霍顿先生：呃，实际上，洛夫特斯女士，请您\n10 放大这第一行。\n11 问：欣茨探员，左侧的发件人一行写着什么？\n12 答：来自马泰奥·甘迪尼，matteo.gandini@ferrari.com。\n13 问：发送给谁？\n14 答：发送给郭迈尔森，郭，ukistruehome@gmail.com。\n15 问：这封电子邮件的主题栏是什么？\n16 答：上面写着：FNE - FXX-KEVO 240860 - 与郭迈尔森通话。\n17 问：欣茨探员，“被选中内容”栏中描绘的是什么？\n18 您能向陪审团描述一下那是什么吗。\n19 答：好的。一辆带有法拉利标志的汽车，银黑相间。\n20 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，我们看第二行。\n22 问：欣茨探员，这封电子邮件的发件人和收件人是谁？\n23 答：发件人是迈尔森，ukistruehome@gmail.com，收件人是\n24 马泰奥·甘迪尼，matteo.gandini@ferrari.com。\n25 问：您能读一下这封电子邮件在“被选中内容”栏\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 顶部的文字吗？\n2 答：“是的，我迫不及待想看到它换上我的配色。”\n3 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否翻到此图表的第 9 页。\n5 请放大该行以便我们能看清发件人和\n6 收件人。\n7 问：欣茨探员，这封电子邮件是谁发的？\n8 答：由迈尔森发送，ukistruehome@gmail.com。\n9 问：其附件的名称是什么（若有）？\n10 答：附件是郭迈尔森2021贝尔头盔（Mileson Guo 2021 Bell Helmet）pdf。\n11 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请放大“被选中内容”这一行。\n13 问：上面写着：“我目前不需要国旗，但可以像其他人一样放上我的名字首字母 M.Q.G.。我已经做好了我的\n15 头盔，大概本月底能完成。\n16 请见附件。”\n17 欣茨探员，这封邮件下方是什么？\n18 答：是一个头盔，侧面刻有迈尔森的名字，上面还标有 30 和 FXX KEVO。\n20 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，能否为我们并排调出\n21 已采纳为证据的检方证物 UK299（GX UK299）以及同样已采纳为证据的\n22 事实协议 2（Stipulation 2）第 24 页。\n23 检方证物 UK299 和事实协议 2。\n24 问：在加载过程中，欣茨探员，您见过右侧的检方证物 UK299 吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 答：见过。\n2 问：在检方证物 UK299 顶部，请读一下该电子邮件的正文。\n4 答：“亲爱的迈尔森。下方是视频链接，\n5 你也可以下载。谢谢你，期待\n6 再次与你相聚。”\n7 问：欣茨探员，请您再把麦克风拉近一点。\n9 答：好的。\n10 问：检方证物 UK299 上的电子邮件底部是什么？\n11 答：是一个链接；看起来是一个视频链接。\n12 问：该链接指向哪个网站？\n13 答：Vimeo.com。\n14 问：在检方事实协议 2 第 24 页那边——\n15 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请调出——对。\n16 放大底部的检方证物 W1058（GX W1058）。\n17 问：欣茨探员，您看到事实协议 2 中检方证物 W1058、\n18 1058、1058A 和 1058-V 旁边的链接了吗？\n19 答：看到了。\n20 问：这两个网址是一样的吗？\n21 答：是的。\n22 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请调出检方——噢，\n23 抱歉，法官阁下。控方提交检方证物 W1058、1058A 以及\n24 1058-V。\n25 法庭：有异议吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 什罗夫女士：没有，法官阁下。\n2 法庭：准予采纳。\n3 （检方证物 W1058、W1058A、W1058-V 被采纳为证据）\n5 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请调出\n6 检方证物 W1058-V。\n7 霍顿先生继续询问：\n8 问：欣茨探员，在准备这份汇总图表时，您是否\n9 查看了带有该链接的视频？\n10 答：是的，我看过了。\n11 问：您屏幕上显示的就是那个吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 霍顿先生：请向陪审团公开展示。\n14 我们播放时请打开声音。\n15 （播放视频）\n16 霍顿先生：谢谢，洛夫特斯女士。\n17 请为证人调出标为检方证物 Z25（GX Z25）的文件。\n19 霍顿先生继续询问：\n20 问：欣茨探员，这份文件是什么？\n21 答：这是我为此审查过的另一份汇总证物。\n23 问：您审查过它所引用的所有证物吗？\n24 答：审查过。\n25 问：图表是否准确？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 霍顿先生：控方提交检方证物 Z25。\n3 什罗夫女士：没有异议，法官阁下。\n4 法庭：准予采纳。\n5 （检方证物 Z25 被采纳为证据）\n6 问：欣茨探员，这份汇总图表的第一页上显示了什么；\n7 都是些什么内容？\n8 答：看起来像是在飞机库里的几辆汽车的各种照片。\n10 问：这些照片是否来自 ukistruehome 谷歌（Google）\n11 账户？\n12 答：我不知道。\n13 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以翻到图表的第 2 页吗。\n15 问：欣茨探员，此图表顶部的电子邮件地址\n16 是什么？\n17 答：Ukistruehome@gmail.com。\n18 问：请读一下来自 ukistruehome 的这封电子邮件中“下午好”后面的\n19 第一句话。\n20 答：好的。“我附上了迪米特里（Dimitry），他是我的英国\n21 修车技师。”\n22 霍顿先生：翻到下一页，洛夫特斯女士，此图表的下一页。\n24 问：欣茨探员，在这份文件的底部，迪米特里这个名字旁边\n25 写着什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 答：一个电话号码。\n2 霍顿律师（MR. HORTON）：洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），请调出\n3 本图表的第 3 页。\n4 抱歉。能请你把第 3 页和第 4 页一起放出来吗。\n5 如果你可以高亮显示左侧\n6 Dimitri（迪米特里）旁边的电话号码。在左侧的底部。\n7 问：欣茨特别探员（Agent Hinz），右侧文件中\n8 “Selected Content”（所选内容）这一行显示的是什么类型的文件？\n9 答：看起来像是某种即时消息对话。\n10 问：右侧的即时消息对话上是否显示了一个电话号码？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：该电话号码与左侧 Dimitri 旁边的电话号码相同吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：看右侧那条即时消息对话的右半部分——\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：——你能读一下看似一张狗的图片和播放符号下方的消息吗，也就是其下方以白色文字显示的消息和文本。\n17 答：“好的，没问题。我明天会早点来把 911 掀开罩子。大众车（VW）还没从车行送回来。”\n18 问：你知道“大众车还没从车行送回来”指的是什么吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 答：我不知道。\n2 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请把本图表的第 5 页和第 6 页一起放出来。\n3 它们都加载出来后，请把各自的内容局部放大一下。\n4 问：看左侧，欣茨特别探员，这里用黄色标出的这份文件的标题是什么？\n5 答：二手车购买发票（Used Car Purchase Invoice）。\n6 问：看下方的“Vehicle Details”（车辆详情），这份购买发票指的是什么车？\n7 答：看起来是一辆宾利添越（Bentley Bentayga）。\n8 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，你能把左右两侧文件上的姓名和地址行高亮显示吗。\n9 问：欣茨特别探员，在这张汽车发票左侧的“Purchase From”（购买自）下方，旁边的名字是什么？\n10 答：名字写的是 ACA Capital Group Ltd.（ACA资本集团有限公司）。\n11 问：为 ACA Capital 提供的地址是什么？\n12 答：Apartment 3, 5 Princess Gate, London（伦敦王子门5号3室）。\n13 问：看右侧，这是 ukistruehome 的谷歌（Google）订户数据吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：与账户 ukistruehome 关联的地址是什么？\n16 答：Apartment 6, 5 Princes Gate, London（伦敦王子门5号6室）。\n17 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 政府物证（GX）Z25 的第 7 页。\n2 问：欣茨特别探员，在这份文件的右上角写着“Annual Form Invoice Form”（年度表格发票表格）。右上角写的是什么？\n3 答：写着“XX Programmes”（XX项目）。\n4 问：你知道那是什么意思吗？\n5 答：我不知道。\n6 问：在“Car Registrations/Details”（车辆登记/详情）下方，你能读出该项下自上而下的三项内容吗。\n7 答：可以，FXX、599XX 和 FXXK。\n8 霍顿律师：谢谢，洛夫特斯女士。请把下方“Car Ownership, Name and Address”（车辆所有权、姓名及地址）下面的那一行放大。\n9 问：这里写着“Name, Stichting Still We Rise”（名称：Still We Rise 基金会）。欣茨特别探员，你能读一下与 Stichting Still We Rise 关联的地址吗。\n10 答：1053 Great West Road, Brentford（布伦特福德大西路1053号）。\n11 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，现在请翻到 GX Z25 的第 8 页。\n12 问：顶部的第一行，欣茨特别探员，这是来自一封电子邮件的内容吗？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：是哪个账户发送的该邮件？\n15 答：ukistruehome@gmail.com。\n16 问：从这封电子邮件中摘录的实质内容是什么？\n17 答：“我建议我们在我位于布伦特福德的‘秘密基地’（man cave）见面。”\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 问：在其下方的这一行，这是摘录自 ukistruehome Gmail 账户中的一份文件吗？\n2 答：我认为是的。\n3 问：在“Cirrus Aircraft Order Form SR22T”（西锐飞机订单表格 SR22T）下方，购买人姓名是什么？\n4 答：Mileson Guo（郭强）。\n5 问：主要地址是什么？\n6 答：1053 Great West Road, Brentford, United Kingdom（英国布伦特福德大西路1053号）。\n7 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，能否翻到——能否放大本页底部的电子邮件。\n8 问：欣茨特别探员，这封电子邮件是谁——是从哪个账户发送的？\n9 答：我不确定。\n10 问：你看顶部，有电子邮件地址吗？\n11 答：有的。写着 Pippa Mack，Contact@KHStaff.com。\n12 问：请从“Further to our conversation”（接续我们的对话）开始读。\n13 答：“接续我们早前的对话及下方签署的合同，我谨致信确认 Fee Bencheou 已获录用并接受了为 Mileson Guo/Rising Sun Capital Ltd.（日出资本有限公司）工作的常设私人助理/经理（PA/manager）一职，办公地点位于贵方办公室，布伦特福德大西路1053号，商定薪资为——”\n14 问：可以了。你可以停在这里。谢谢，欣茨特别探员。\n15 答：好的。\n16 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请翻到同一份汇总图表 GX Z25 的第 9 页。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 问：欣茨特别探员，这些是摘录自什么类型的文件？\n2 答：电子邮件。\n3 问：如果我们看底下一行，你能读一下——这是一封来自 apeter@gonet.ch 的电子邮件。你知道这是什么意思吗？\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 霍顿律师：抱歉，洛夫特斯女士。请先到这两行的顶上一行。\n6 问：同一个发件人电子邮箱地址，上面写着——你何不读一下 Peter Albert（彼得·阿尔伯特）发来的内容。\n7 答：抱歉。能再说一遍吗？你想让我读什么？\n8 问：底部来自 Peter Albert 的电子邮件。\n9 答：好的。“合规部门随附提一个简短问题……谁是 Rising Sun Capital Ltd. 的首席执行官（CEO）？”\n10 问：在其上方，Mileson 的回复：“亲爱的 Albert：CEO 是 Haoran He（何浩然）先生。希望这对你有用。”\n11 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，我们现在可以到同一页的第二行吗。\n12 问：你能读一下 Albert 先生在这里的电子邮件吗。\n13 答：好的。“抱歉，还有一个跟进问题：谁是 Rising Sun Capital Ltd. 的所有人？”\n14 问：同一邮件链中 Mileson 的回复，“所有人也是 Haoran He 先生。”\n15 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以翻到 GX Z25 的第 10 页吗。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 问：欣茨特别探员，这里显示的 GX 编号是什么？\n2 答：GX UK717。\n3 问：这张图片中看似描绘了什么？\n4 答：看起来是一张借记卡的照片。\n5 问：借记卡上有银行名称吗？\n6 答：有。\n7 问：是什么？\n8 答：Santander（桑坦德银行）。\n9 问：在底部 09/01/28 的上方，请读出上面列出的内容。\n10 答：好的，上面写着“Mr. H He”（H He 先生）。\n11 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请调出作为证据出示的 GX SW2061。GX SW2061。\n12 问：欣茨特别探员，你以前见过这份文件吗？\n13 答：是的，我想我见过。\n14 问：在顶部的发件人（From）一行中写着来自 Alex Hadjicharalambous（亚历克斯·哈吉哈拉兰布斯），alexh@gclubs.com。根据这份文件，它是发给谁的？\n15 答：Haitham Khaled（海赛姆·哈立德）。\n16 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，你能翻到 SW2061 的第 2 页吗。\n17 问：顶部写着——你能说一下这份文件的顶部写着什么吗？\n18 答：G|CLUBS。\n19 问：在其下方写着，“Miles Guo（郭文贵）对 G Club BVI（G俱乐部英属维尔京群岛公司）或其母公司 Jovial 或其母公司\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 Stichting Duurzane 不享有任何决定性控制权。”你看到了吗，欣茨特别探员？\n2 答：看到了。\n3 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，现在请翻回汇总图表 GX Z25 的第 12 页。\n4 问：汇总图表的这一页上显示的是什么，来自 ukistruehome 账户的 GX UK746？\n5 答：看起来是一本上面写有文字的手册，写着“Incorporation of Stichting Duurzame”（Stichting Duurzame 基金会设立）。\n6 问：写着“Incorporation of Stichting Duurzame”的文件上的日期是什么？\n7 答：2019年8月15日。\n8 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，你能为证人调出图表 GX Z22 吗。\n9 问：欣茨特别探员，这是什么类型的文件？\n10 答：这是一份说明交易总额的图表，财务交易。\n11 问：你审查了上面引用的所有 GX UK 文件吗？\n12 答：审查了，每一份都审查了。\n13 问：基于该审查，这里的数字准确吗？\n14 答：准确。\n15 霍顿律师：政府方提呈 GX Z22。\n16 法庭：有无异议？\n17 什罗夫律师（MS. SHROFF）：无异议，法官阁下。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 法庭：准予采纳。\n2 （政府方证据编号 Z22 获准作为证据采纳）\n3 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请把 GX UK12 和 223 与图表并排调出来。\n4 霍顿律师继续询问：\n5 问：在调出期间，右侧的 GX UK12 和右下方的 GX 223，这两份物证是否是你评估 GX Z22 准确性时审查过的？\n6 答：是的。\n7 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，只回到 GX Z22。\n8 问：该图表反映了什么？看底下一行，Rising Sun capital（日出资本），你能解释那一行代表什么吗。\n9 答：它显示了 Rising Sun Capital 在 2023 年收到的资金，总额为 150,000 英镑。\n10 问：在你审查的电子邮件中，写有从 Rising Sun Capital 收取资金的内容，那些电子邮件是发送到哪个账户的？\n11 答：我不记得了。\n12 霍顿律师：好的。我们调出 GX ZK397。\n13 问：欣茨特别探员，这是 Rising Sun Capital 那一行引用的物证之一吗？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：该电子邮件是发送到哪个账户的？\n16 答：是发送到 ukistruehome@gmail.com 的。\n17 霍顿律师：好的。洛夫特斯女士，请\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 为证人调出 GX Z24。\n2 问：欣茨特别探员，这是什么类型的文件？\n3 答：这是我为此核实过的另一份汇总文件。\n4 问：你审查了其中引用的所有物证吗？\n5 答：审查了。\n6 问：它准确吗？\n7 答：准确。\n8 霍顿律师：政府方提呈 GX Z24。\n9 什罗夫律师：无异议。\n10 法庭：准予采纳。\n11 （政府方证据编号 Z24 获准作为证据采纳）\n12 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请调出作为证据出示的 GX GC415。\n13 霍顿律师继续询问：\n14 问：欣茨特别探员，这是一封电子邮件。你能读一下“Hi Limarie”（嗨，利马里）下方的第一句话吗。\n15 在你读之前，你能说一下发件人（From）一行写的是什么吗。\n16 答：发件人一行显示为 HRR。\n17 问：其下方的句子——\n18 什罗夫律师：实际上显示的是 HHR。\n19 证人：噢，抱歉。是 HHR。谢谢。\n20 问：请接着读“Hi Limarie”之后的那句话。\n21 答：“郭先生的银行已经为贷款开了绿灯。”\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请出示作为证据采纳的 GX GC418 的第 3 页。\n2 问：欣茨特别探员，这份文件的标题是什么？\n3 答：贷款协议修订案（Amendment to Loan Agreement）。\n4 问：请读一下“Amendment to Loan Agreement”下方的第一句话。你不必读括号里的内容。\n5 答：好的。“本贷款协议修订案日期为 2022年1月18日，由在英属维尔京群岛注册的 G Club International Limited（G俱乐部国际有限公司）与 Qiang Guo（郭强）订立。”\n6 问：你刚才读的日期是什么？\n7 答：是 2022年1月18日。\n8 霍顿律师：洛夫特斯女士，请回到 GX Z24 的第一页。\n9 请放大这里的中间一行。\n10 问：欣茨特别探员，这封电子邮件的发送日期是什么？\n11 答：2022年1月24日，星期一。\n12 问：它是从 ukistruehome 账户发送给谁的？\n13 答：发送给 Albert Peter，A Peter@gonet.ch。\n14 问：请读一下该电子邮件中的“Selected Content”（所选内容）。\n15 答：好的，先生。“亲爱的 Albert：能否请你尽快将 300 万瑞士法郎（CHF）转入随附的账户？”\n16 霍顿律师：我们能否简短地翻到第 2 页\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 政府物证 Z24（GX Z24）的，洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus）。\n2 问：这是来自 ukistruehome 账户里的一封电子邮件吗？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：右边的这份文件，标题是什么？\n5 答：账户对账单（Account Statement）。\n6 问：这份文件看起来是什么？\n7 答：它看起来是一份账户对账单，包含一系列交易。\n8\n9 霍顿先生（MR. HORTON）：洛夫特斯女士，请你把这里的顶行和底行项目高亮标出。\n10\n11 问：欣茨探员（Agent Hinz），请你读一下它们，先读“描述”（Description）栏，然后读“贷记”（Credit）金额。\n12 答：好的。来自 Lamp Capital LLC 的奖励金（Bonification from Lamp Capital LLC），然后贷记金额是 700 万。\n13 问：还有底部的那个。\n14 答：同样是来自 Lamp Capital LLC 的奖励金，1300 万。\n15 问：你知道 Lamp Capital 是什么吗？\n16 答：我不知道。\n17 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，现在请你向证人出示标为政府物证 Z23（GX Z23）的文件。\n18\n19 问：欣茨探员，这份文件是什么？\n20 答：这是一份物证汇总表。\n21 问：你审查过它引用的所有物证吗？\n22 答：审查过。\n23 问：这个图表准确吗？\n24 南区速记员公司（SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.）\n25 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 霍顿先生：政府方提请采纳政府物证 Z23（GX Z23）。\n3 什罗夫女士（MS. SHROFF）：无异议。\n4 法庭：予以采纳。\n5 （政府方物证 Z23 被采纳为证据）\n6 问：首先看最上面一行，欣茨探员，这封电子邮件看起来是由谁发送的？\n7 答：上面显示是由 Mileson 从 ukistruehome@gmail.com 发送的。\n8 问：上面的日期是什么？\n9 答：2022年5月2日，星期一。\n10 问：它发送给的三个电子邮件的邮箱域名是什么？\n11 答：@ferrari.com。\n12 问：你能读一下电子邮件上半部分、省略号以上的内容吗？\n13 答：“请允许我对你们所有人表示感谢，感谢你们让我和我的朋友们度过了美妙的两天，让我们得以与法拉利（Ferrari）一起发现、学习，但最重要的是享受其中。这一直是我的一个梦想，自2011年我和我的另一位朋友 Antony Liu 一起为他的 F1 赛车进行首航测试起便是如此。这真是一个梦想的实现！”\n14 问：在那下面写着：“在我们的文化中，我们常说：‘荣誉只是一时的心跳，但要保持血液流动，你需要更加努力地工作。’因此，我已经指示我们的交易所集中精力为法拉利准备一份方案。”欣茨探员，你知道“我们的交易所”（our Exchange）指的是什么吗？\n15 南区速记员公司\n16 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 答：我不知道。\n2 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，请你缩小画面，并放大底部这里的图片。抱歉，是最下面一行。\n3\n4 问：发送这封电子邮件的邮箱域名是什么？\n5 答：来自 @ferrari.com。\n6 问：这封电子邮件的主题行是什么？\n7 答：喜马拉雅交易所-LMH（Himalaya Exchange-LMH）。\n8 问：“所选内容”（Selected Content）行里的图片描绘了什么？\n9 答：那是一辆带有法拉利标志和“喜马拉雅交易所”（Himalaya Exchange）字样的跑车。\n10 霍顿先生：好的。洛夫特斯女士，请翻到政府物证 Z23（GX Z23）的第三页。\n11 抱歉。请停在第二页。\n12 并放大这里最下面一行。政府物证 UK315（GX UK315）。\n13\n14 问：这封电子邮件是谁发的？\n15 答：来自 Je William，或 William Je，邮箱是 @hamilton-ch.com。\n16 问：你知道那是谁吗？\n17 答：我不知道。\n18 问：这封电子邮件的“所选内容”里描绘了——首先，是否有文件名？\n19 答：有的。\n20 问：是什么？\n21 答：Ferrari 下划线 share holding chart。\n22 南区速记员公司\n23 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 直接询问\n1 问：这个图表的标题是“最终实益拥有人（UBO）与股权结构”（Ultimate Beneficial Owner (UBO) and Shareholding Structure）。右边的摘录，欣茨探员，请读一下。\n2 答：“注：Mileson 是 Hamilton Opportunity Fund 的投资者，同时也负责喜马拉雅交易所（Himalaya Exchange）的法拉利项目。”\n3 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，我们现在可以翻到政府物证 Z23（GX Z23）的第三页了。\n4\n5 问：这封电子邮件来自谁？\n6 答：这封来自 Je William，或者 williamje@hamilton.ch.com。\n7 问：主题行是什么？\n8 答：是“回复 喜马拉雅交易所合作后续步骤”（Reply Himalaya Exchange Partnership Next Steps）。\n9 问：日期是什么？\n10 答：是2022年7月13日的。\n11 问：洛夫特斯女士，请向我们展示“所选内容”。\n12 开头写着：“亲爱的 Matteo，谢谢，昨天的讨论很好。关于所提出的问题，请见下方我们的声明。”你看到了吗？\n13 答：看到了。\n14 问：请读一下第 1 条。\n15 答：“第一，喜马拉雅交易所（HE）是一个商业实体，没有任何政治诉求。喜马拉雅交易所从未就任何政治立场发布过任何公告，特别是与中国相关的政治立场；”\n16 问：第 4 条写道：“我们注意到一些寻求法治和金融自由的网站将喜马拉雅交易所列为其支持机构之一。喜马拉雅交易所想要强调的是，喜马拉雅交易所与这些机构（包括新中国联邦）没有任何关系，也没有任何资金往来。喜马拉雅交易所没有任何官方声明表明喜马拉雅交易所支持任何政治信仰。”\n17 欣茨探员，请读一下第 6 条。\n18 什罗夫女士：在政府方朗读之后有悬而未决的提问吗？似乎没有在提问。\n19 法庭：有提问吗？\n20 霍顿先生：该文件已采纳为证据，我刚才是在问他是否看到了我朗读的部分，并请他朗读接下来的部分。\n21 法庭：好的。请继续。\n22 答：“关于赞助事宜，董事会要求必须出现喜马拉雅交易所的名称。我们相信这将会受到中国人民的极大欢迎。虽然我们无法控制媒体的报道方式，但法拉利应当确信这是一次纯粹的商业合作，不应涉及任何政治考量；”\n23 霍顿先生：洛夫特斯女士，你可以把这个撤下了。\n24\n25 问：欣茨探员，什么是电子邮件搜查令？\n26 答：这是一份用以获取电子邮件内容的搜查令。\n27 问：它允许政府做什么？\n28 什罗夫女士：反对。\n29 法庭：请到法官席旁商议。\n30 南区速记员公司\n31 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 交叉询问\n1 霍顿先生：法官阁下，我将继续并结束提问。\n2 法庭：好的。请继续。\n3 霍顿先生：最后一个问题。\n4 由霍顿先生继续询问：\n5 问：欣茨探员，除了审查这些汇总图表及其引用的物证之外，你对本案还有任何了解吗？\n6 答：没有。\n7 霍顿先生：法官阁下，请容我稍候片刻。\n8 法庭：可以。\n9 霍顿先生：谢谢。没有其他问题了。\n10 法庭：交叉询问？\n11 交叉询问\n12 由什罗夫女士进行：\n13 问：下午好。\n14 答：下午好，女士。\n15 问：我只是想确认我把你的名字念对了。是 Heinz 吗？\n16 答：是 Hinz，女士。\n17 问：Hinz？\n18 答：是的，女士。\n19 问：我应该称呼你为欣茨特别探员（Special Agent Hinz）吗？那是你的职称吗？\n20 南区速记员公司\n21 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 交叉询问\n1 答：是的，女士。\n2 问：好的。那么欣茨特别探员，你曾作证说你曾是美国陆军（U.S. Army）的一名 NCO。那是指士官（noncommissioned officer）吗？\n3 答：是的，女士。\n4 问：你在后备役部队（Reserves）服役过吗？\n5 答：是的，女士。\n6 问：好的。你陈述说你在联邦调查局（FBI）工作了五个月；我说的对还是不对？\n7 答：我去年10月进入学院，今年3月毕业，并在同一个月向纽约外勤办公室报到。\n8 问：好的。你在联邦调查局纽约办公室工作吗？\n9 答：是的，女士。\n10 问：好的。如果可以的话，让我向你出示政府物证 Z25（GX Z25），好吗？\n11 你记得曾就这份文件作证，对吗？\n12 答：记得。\n13 问：好的。你在这里看到的第一页，你曾作证说这些是一些汽车的照片，对吗？\n14 答：是的，女士。\n15 问：请你看看这份文件的第 2 页。\n16 就在那里。霍顿先生曾让你大声朗读这份文件。记得吗？\n17 答：记得。\n18 问：好的。你曾作证说你认为这是准确的，因为它是基于一份物证，对吗？\n19 南区速记员公司\n20 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 交叉询问\n1 答：是的，女士。\n2 问：那么该物证是政府物证 UK283（GX UK283）？\n3 答：是的，女士。\n4 问：283 里面还有什么；你知道吗？\n5 答：我不记得了。\n6 问：现在文件本身写着：“我附上 Dimitry 的联系方式，他是我的英国机械师。”对吗？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：你会同意我的看法，即你不可能把 Dimitry 本人作为附件附上，对吧？这封电子邮件指的是别的意思？\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：好的。他说“他会确保头部扫描人员尽快与你取得联系。”对吧？\n11 答：是的。\n12 问：好的。然后他说“请告知他，因为他也管理我的赛车赛事。”对吧？\n13 答：是的。\n14 问：你知道这个人说的是什么赛车赛事吗？\n15 答：我不知道。\n16 问：回到完整文件，你知道政府物证 UK283（GX UK283）是否对那些赛车赛事有更多说明吗？\n17 答：我不记得了。\n18 问：所以当你在这里为霍顿先生朗读这个时，你不知道政府物证 283（GX 283）里遗漏了什么。\n19 南区速记员公司\n20 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 交叉询问\n1 答：不知道，女士。\n2 问：好的。不知道，女士，你不知道，对吧？\n3 答：不知道，女士，我不记得了。\n4 问：好的。你不用叫我女士，但如果你想叫的话也可以随意。\n5 什罗夫女士：如果可以的话，我能看一下下一页吗。\n6\n7 问：有一个给 Dimitri 的 + 44 电话号码，对吧？\n8 答：是的。\n9 问：你会同意我的看法，+ 44 是英国，还是你认为它是其他国家？\n10 答：我不能确定。\n11 什罗夫女士：然后如果可以让我看下一张照片，或者下一页，对吧？\n12\n13 问：你曾就这份文件作证，对吧？\n14 答：是的。\n15 问：谁是 Rav？\n16 答：我不知道。\n17 问：你有没有回头去查看所有文件，看看 Rav 还出现在哪里？\n18 答：没有。\n19 问：好的。上面写着“好的，也许今晚在街区附近”，对吧？\n20 答：是的。\n21 问：好的。那我假设你不知道这个人说的是什么？\n22 南区速记员公司\n23 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 交叉询问\n1 答：不知道。\n2 问：在右边，谁是 Martin？\n3 答：我不知道。\n4 问：好的。让我们看一下这页后面的第二页，你查看个人资料的地方。\n5 记得你曾作证的这份文件吗，它是一个谷歌（Google）个人资料？\n6 答：记得。\n7 问：好的。你看到那里的名字郭强（Qiang Guo）了吗？\n8 答：看到了。\n9 问：它给出了一个伦敦地址，对吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：你知道他是否实际住在那里吗？\n12 答：我不知道。\n13 问：你知道他是否有多个地址吗？\n14 答：不知道。\n15 问：作为一名联邦调查局探员，可以公允地说，你能知道一个人可以在某个时期拥有一个电子邮件地址，无论搬到哪里，这个电子邮件地址都会一直伴随着你吗？\n16 答：你能再说一遍吗？\n17 问：当然。所以如果我在纽约开通了一个电子邮件地址，然后我决定搬到也门（Yemen），我仍然可以拥有同一个电子邮件地址，对吧？\n18 南区速记员公司\n19 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 交叉询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：好的。如果可以的话，请你看下一页。\n3 你看到你作证过的这个东西了吗，这一页？\n4 答：看到了。\n5 问：好的。你知道左侧的“车辆登记/详情”（Car Registrations/Details）是三辆不同的车吗？\n6 答：我不知道。\n7 问：这 N、N 和 N30 代表什么？\n8 答：我不知道。\n9 问：“下签署人何浩然（Haoran He）”，你看到了吗？\n10 答：看到了。\n11 问：好的。上面写着“车主签名”（Signature of Owner），对吗？\n12 答：是的。\n13 问：霍顿先生有要求你去查明何浩然住在哪里吗？\n14 答：没有。\n15 问：他有要求你去查明他是否确实是真正车主吗？\n16 答：没有。\n17 问：他有要求你去查明这是否确实是他的签名吗？\n18 答：没有。\n19 问：好的。请你看看下一页好吗。\n20 他让你谈论了这份飞机订购单，对吗？\n21 南区速记员公司\n22 (212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：然后他还向您出示了……的照片——\n3 施罗夫女士（MS. SHROFF）：你可以把那个撤下来了。\n4 问：而且他向您出示了人们在游艇上用餐的照片，\n5 对吗？\n6 答：是人们在某个地方吃东西，是的。\n7 问：对。您说他们看起来像是一家人在享用\n8 晚餐，对吗？\n9 答：我想我说的是他们看起来像是几个人在享用\n10 一些食物。\n11 问：而且您不知道那些人是谁，对吗？\n12 答：我不知道。\n13 问：霍顿先生（Mr. Horton）也没有要求您了解那些人的\n14 任何情况，对吗？\n15 答：没有。\n16 问：现在请您看一下 GX Z20。\n17 对吧？他向您出示了这张照片，对吧？\n18 答：是的。\n19 问：那您知道那本护照在哪里吗？\n20 答：我不知道。\n21 施罗夫女士：好的。请帮我们把该文件往下翻\n22 一下。\n23 继续往下翻。\n24 再往下。\n25 还有——好了。看这里。我们先——不，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 请帮我回到地图那一页。\n2 由施罗夫女士继续质询：\n3 问：好的。您也针对这份文件作证了，对吗？\n4 答：是的。\n5 问：好的。您作证说，您认为该电子邮件\n6 来自一个名为 questions@dyson.com 的发件人，对吗？\n7 答：我想我没有这么说过。\n8 问：好的。它是来自 dyson.com 吗？\n9 答：上面是这么写的，女士，是的。\n10 问：好的。坐在今天的证人席上，您知道戴森（Dyson）是什么吗？\n11 答：我知道他们是一家家电制造商——吸尘器、\n12 清洁器、家用电器。\n13 问：好的。您看到右侧的地图了吗？\n14 答：看到了。\n15 问：对。在地图上，霍顿先生让您读出塔科尼克路 373 号（373 Taconic Road），\n16 对吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：好的。但他没有让您读下面那一行。您能\n19 为我读一下下面那一行吗？\n20 答：好的。是目的地吗，女士？\n21 问：嗯哼。\n22 答：哈茨代尔汉亚龙超市（H Mart Hartsdale）。\n23 问：您知道什么是 H Mart（汉亚龙超市）吗？\n24 答：知道。\n25 问：它是什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 答：是一家杂货店。\n2 问：您认为这家杂货店卖戴森吸尘器吗？\n3 答：我——我说不准。我不知道。\n4 问：您不知道，对吧？\n5 答：我不知道。\n6 问：坐在今天的证人席上，您不知道这张地图是否与\n7 左侧的这份戴森保修单有任何关系，\n8 对吧？\n9 答：除了地址相同之外，我不知道。\n10 问：那么，让我们把这两份文件放在一起，以一种更有条理\n11 的方式让它们并排呈现给您，好吗？\n12 所以这两份文件在日期上并没有任何对应匹配，\n13 对吗？\n14 答：我没看出有。\n15 问：好的。事实上，这两份文件甚至连年份都没有对应上，\n16 对吧？\n17 答：据我所见没有。\n18 问：好的。而且您也不知道哈茨代尔汉亚龙超市是否出售\n19 戴森的任何产品，对吗？\n20 答：我不知道。\n21 问：好的。让我问您这个问题。在左侧，\n22 是有人在注册保修，对吧？\n23 答：看起来是的。\n24 问：对。上面写着“您的戴森保修现已\n25 生效”，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：好的。那您知道激活保修需要什么\n3 条件吗？\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 问：好的。今天作为一名 FBI（联邦调查局）特别探员坐在这里，您能否告诉\n6 陪审团这两份文件之间究竟是否存在任何关联？\n7 答：除了地址以外，我不知道。\n8 问：它们是怎么被放在同一张幻灯片上的？\n9 答：我不知道。\n10 问：嗯，您针对这两份——这份文件作了证，对吧？\n11 这一页。\n12 答：是的，女士。\n13 问：那么在作证之前，您有没有问过霍顿先生：你们是怎么\n14 把这两样东西放在一起的？\n15 答：没有。\n16 问：为什么没有？\n17 答：没有人要求我去问那些问题。我被要求去\n18 验证这份汇总表是否与它们所来源的文件相吻合，\n19 以确保准确性。\n20 问：好吧，那我们来看看它们来自哪里以确认准确性，\n21 好吗？\n22 其中一份来自 GX UK68，对吧？\n23 答：是的。\n24 问：那是上面那份，对吧？所以在逻辑上那就是\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 左侧的那份文件，因为其下方写着 UK68，\n2 对吗？\n3 答：是的，女士。\n4 问：然后右侧的那份写着 GX UK775，对吧？\n5 答：是的，女士。\n6 问：中间跳过了很多编号，对吧？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：您从 68 一下子跳到了 775。\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：您难道没有问过他中间是什么吗？这些东西\n11 彼此之间有任何关系吗？\n12 答：没有。\n13 施罗夫女士：好的。我们看一下下面一页。\n14 同一份证物，往下翻一页。\n15 或者往上翻一页？抱歉。我指的是那张包含\n16 包裹和飞机的照片。\n17 好了。\n18 由施罗夫女士继续质询：\n19 问：您看到这个了吗？\n20 答：看到了。\n21 问：好的。其中一张来自 GX UK740，下一张是\n22 741，对吧？\n23 答：是的，女士。\n24 问：您知道这些照片是在哪里使用的吗？\n25 答：我不知道。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 问：您知道它们是否属于某份广告的一部分吗？\n2 答：我不知道。\n3 问：您知道它们是否属于某份宣传册的一部分吗？\n4 答：不，我不知道。\n5 问：您知道是谁拍的吗？\n6 答：不知道。\n7 问：您知道这是由专业人士还是非专业人士\n8 拍摄的吗？\n9 答：不知道。\n10 施罗夫女士：好的。可以把这个撤下了。\n11 允许的话，请让我向您出示 GX UK127，好吗？\n12 问：“好了（Here we go）”是什么意思？\n13 答：我不知道。\n14 问：那么霍顿先生让您针对这个特定的制作件\n15 核对什么？\n16 答：我参与的全部工作就是核实汇总表中呈现的\n17 文件与作为证物提交的文件相符，\n18 确认它们是一样的。\n19 问：这与哪一份相符？\n20 答：我想是 GX UK127.1。\n21 问：您想？\n22 答：我不知道。\n23 问：您不知道。\n24 答：我不知道。\n25 问：好的。我可以向您出示，或者允许我向您出示 GX 299 吗。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 我可以继续。您知道吗，我们来看一下之前向您播放过的视频吧，\n2 GX W1058。\n3 施罗夫女士：能调出那个视频吗。\n4 问：您还记得在您的主询问直接作证期间\n5 曾被出示过这个视频吗？\n6 答：记得。\n7 施罗夫女士：好的。我们能不能播放一下，\n8 并且快进一点，到那几个人刚好站着的\n9 地方。\n10 （播放视频）\n11 问：您看到左侧的这些人了吗？\n12 答：看到了。\n13 问：好的。那个穿着西装、手插在口袋里的\n14 男士？\n15 答：我看到他了。\n16 问：好的。您知道他是谁吗？\n17 答：我不知道。\n18 问：他旁边的人呢？\n19 答：在哪一侧，女士？\n20 问：在他的右侧。\n21 答：不知道。\n22 问：穿着红鞋子的那个。\n23 答：不知道。\n24 问：他身后的人呢？\n25 答：不知道。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 问：然后您看到最后面那位先生了吗，\n2 同样穿着西装？\n3 答：我看到他了。\n4 问：好的。您知道他们是谁吗？\n5 答：我不知道。\n6 问：您知道他们来自哪家公司吗？\n7 答：我不知道。\n8 问：您知道他们是否来自 G Club（G俱乐部）吗？\n9 答：我不知道。\n10 问：您认识一个叫伊恩·利文斯顿（Ian Livingston）的人吗？\n11 答：不认识，女士。\n12 问：您知道政府有没有让您查找具有该姓名的\n13 任何人吗？\n14 答：没有。\n15 问：政府让您看了这个视频，而且我们已经向陪审团播放过了，\n16 对吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：好的。我不会重播整段视频，但您是否\n19 记得看到有两个人坐在车里开车？\n20 答：记得。\n21 问：如果您不记得，我很乐意——我宁愿不重播，\n22 但我很乐意那样做。\n23 法庭：他回答了“记得”。\n24 答：我记得有两个人，是的。\n25 问：好的。那您知道第二个人是谁吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 答：我不知道。\n2 问：您知道那个人是来自法拉利（Ferrari）还是来自其他\n3 任何公司吗？\n4 答：我不知道。\n5 问：您知道在这个视频制作之后，是否有人为摩纳哥大奖赛活动\n6 接洽过法拉利吗？\n7 答：不，我不知道。\n8 问：您知道您是否审查过任何关于摩纳哥\n9 大奖赛活动的文件吗？\n10 答：我不记得了。\n11 问：您记得有一份关于二级方程式赛车赞助的\n12 文件吗？\n13 答：不记得，女士。\n14 问：您记得曾向何先生（Mr. He）提出过一项提案吗？\n15 答：不记得，女士。\n16 问：您记得何先生是同意还是不同意该\n17 提案吗？\n18 答：我不记得。\n19 问：您知道——这里的迈尔森（Mileson）是否想与法拉利\n20 达成一份为期三年的合同吗？\n21 答：能请您再说一遍吗？\n22 问：您知道 Mileson Guo（郭强）是否试图与法拉利\n23 达成一份为期三年的合同吗？\n24 霍顿先生：反对。重复且超出\n25 主询问范围。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 法庭：反对成立。\n2 问：您知道郭强作为法拉利的客户是超过了\n3 十年还是不足十年吗？\n4 霍顿先生：反对。同样的反对理由，法官阁下。\n5 法庭：反对成立。\n6 施罗夫女士：我们看一下 GX Z25。对吧？请帮我\n7 翻到第 4 页。\n8 不，请往回翻一页。\n9 问：您看到右侧顶部的段落写着\n10 “大众汽车（VW）还没有从经销商处送回”吗？对吗？\n11 答：我看到了，是的。\n12 问：您知道经销商是谁吗？\n13 答：不知道。\n14 问：那大众汽车呢？\n15 答：我不知道。\n16 施罗夫女士：我们翻到第 6 页怎么样。\n17 再往下翻一页。\n18 问：我之前已经问过您关于这份文件的问题了，对吧？\n19 答：是的，女士。\n20 问：好的。我跳过这里，去看 GX Z25。\n21 施罗夫女士：GX Z25。撤下这个。\n22 问：您记得曾被问及有关秘密基地/私人休闲室（man cave）的问题吗？\n23 答：我想我没有被问过关于秘密基地的问题，没有。\n24 问：您是否记得读到过“秘密基地”这个短语，“我们将在布伦特福德（Brentford）我的‘秘密基地’见面”？您记得吗？\n25\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 答：我确实记得。\n2 问：您知道那是什么意思，写那句话的人是什么\n3 意思吗？\n4 答：不知道。\n5 问：您知道布伦特福德是什么吗？\n6 答：不知道。\n7 问：您记得就一架西锐（Cirrus）飞机作过证吗？\n8 答：记得。\n9 问：您记得有一个名叫皮帕·麦克（Pippa Mack）的人的\n10 电子邮件地址吗？\n11 答：记得。\n12 问：谁是皮帕·麦克？\n13 答：我不知道。\n14 施罗夫女士：现在请帮我翻到第 8 页。噢，\n15 到了。您看到——不，就——谢谢。谢谢，\n16 豪尔赫（Jorge）。我的疏忽。\n17 问：您看到“选定内容（Selected Content）”部分的最后两行了吗？\n18\n19 答：女士，指的是哪一个“选定内容”？\n20 问：本文件上的最后一段。\n21 答：看到了，女士。\n22 问：好的。上面写着费·本彻（Fee Bencheou）获得录用并\n23 接受了永久私人助理经理一职，对吧？\n24 答：是的。\n25 问：为旭日资本有限公司（Rising Sun Capital Limited）的郭强服务，对吧？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 盘问\n1 答：是的。\n2 问：且约定薪资约为 85,000 英镑，对吧？\n3 答：是的。\n4 问：并且这封邮件是发给拉夫（Rav）和阿瑞图萨（Arethusa）的？\n5 答：上面写的是这个名字，是的。\n6 问：这些人是谁？\n7 答：我不知道。\n8 问：您不知道，对吧？\n9 答：我不知道。\n10 问：而这份文件，对吧，您所能说明的只是这份文件的\n11 部分内容出现在霍顿先生向您出示的另一份\n12 文件中？\n13 答：是的，那是其中一份证物，是的。\n14 问：现在让我转向 GX SW2061，对吧？您记得\n15 就这组往来电子邮件作证吗？\n16 答：记得。\n17 问：好的。基本上，说您完全不认识这些个人，\n18 是否属实？\n19 答：是的，属实。\n20 问：好的。作为一名 FBI 特别探员，霍顿先生并没有要求您\n21 核实这些信息中的任何一项，对吧？\n22 答：仅限于将完整的证物、文件与图表进行比对\n23 核实。这是我做过的唯一核对。除此\n24 之外没有做任何其他事。\n25 问：好的。但这个并不属于图表的一部分，对吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 反询问\n\n1 答：不。\n2 问：好的。只是一份独立的文件。\n3 答：是的，女士。\n4 问：所以霍顿（Horton）先生把它放出来并要求您朗读，然后您\n5 读了，对吗？\n6 答：读了一部分，是的。\n7 施罗夫（MS. SHROFF）律师：好的。如果可以的话，请翻到下一\n8 页。\n9 问：您看到他让您读了这一页的第一行，对吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：“决定性控制（decisive control）”对您来说意味着什么？\n12 答：我认为我只读了 G|CLUBS 的部分，但关于“决定性\n13 控制”，我不知道。\n14 问：好的。您甚至都不知道那是不是一个法律术语或专门\n15 术语，对吗？\n16 答：不知道，女士。\n17 问：您能为我从“公众人物（public figures）”开始往下读吗？\n18 答：“诸如——”请原谅我的发音。“——郝\n19 海东（Hao Haidong）、任志强（Ren Zhiqiang）以及章家敦（Gordon Guthrie Chang），分别是前谢菲尔德联队（Sheffield United）\n20 足球运动员、退休房地产大亨\n21 以及斯坦福大学（Stanford）法学教授等公众人物。”\n22 您想让我继续吗？\n23 问：请继续。\n24 答：“公开反对中共及其政权。”\n25 问：嗯哼。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6K1GUO5 Hinz - 反询问\n\n1 答：“像列出的这些公众人物，已通过各种社交媒体平台\n2 自主发声，并在庞大的追随者群体中提高对中国大陆\n3 正在发生的反人类不公情事的\n4 认知。”\n5 问：好的。当然您只是想——您的任务不是\n6 去核实这其中的任何内容，对吗？\n7 答：对。\n8 问：好的。您可以把它撤下了。\n9 请您看一下政府证物（GX）Z22。\n10 您曾被问及关于这份、关于这个\n11 图表的问题，对吗？\n12 答：是的，我被问过。\n13 问：好的。如果不符合流程，请您纠正我，好吗？您拿到了\n14 右侧一列、最右侧一列的文件，对吗？\n15 答：是的。\n16 问：然后您被要求核对日期范围列是否\n17 与收到的资金来源方以及汇往的资金接收方相匹配，对吗？\n18 答：日期范围、资金来源方和接收方，然后\n19 是总金额。\n20 （续见下一页）\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Hinz - 反询问\n\n1 施罗夫律师问：\n2 问：那么您看到写着 transfers wise、transfer wise、\n3 wise 的那一项了吗？\n4 法庭：不止一个。\n5 问：中间那个比较宽的？\n6 答：我确实看到了。\n7 问：它右侧有像是一大堆文件，\n8 对吗？\n9 答：是的。\n10 问：可以公平地说，那是 573,100 美元，该金额\n11 是基于右侧列中的信息得出的吗？\n12 答：基于那些文件中金额的总和。\n13 问：因此，如果右侧的文件上存在错误，\n14 对吧，573 这个数字依然会保持准确，对吧？\n15 您所做的只是确保数学计算是准确的？\n16 霍顿先生：反对，复合提问且要求进行推测。\n17 18 法庭：允许提问。\n19 答：女士，您能再重复一遍吗？\n20 问：您所做的只是确保数学计算正确，对吧？\n21 答：是的。\n22 问：现在，特工，您看过了更多的文件，\n23 但可以公平地说，您在这里被选为证人是因为您对本案实际上\n24 一无所知，对吗？\n25 法庭：反对成立。他不能就为什么自己\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Hinz - 反询问\n\n1 被选中作证，因为那是检察官或检控团队\n2 内心的考量。\n3 问：但您向检控团队表达了您对今天为什么被传唤\n4 作证的理解，对吧，您记得\n5 那件事吗？\n6 答：是的。\n7 问：那么您所理解的为什么选中您是什么？\n8 答：如实讲述印证了……的文件的准确性——\n9 问：为什么？\n10 霍顿先生：反对，打断证人的回答。\n12 13 施罗夫律师：我确实打断了。我动议删除（该部分记录）。\n14 问：我问您的问题是，您是否记得曾告诉霍顿先生\n15 为什么您会被选为证人？\n16 法庭：您是在问他是否问了霍顿先生吗？\n17 施罗夫律师：我是在问他是否告诉了霍顿先生他对于自己\n18 为何被选中的理解。\n19 法庭：你可以回答那个问题。\n20 答：我不知道他们的理由是什么。\n21 问：那不是我的问题，先生。\n22 您记得今天与霍顿先生会面了吗？\n23 答：是的。\n24 问：您记得昨天与他会面了吗？\n25 答：是的。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 主询问\n\n1 问：在其中一次会面中，您难道没有告诉他，\n2 您被选为证人是因为您对本案\n3 一无所知吗？您记得跟他说过那个吗？\n4 答：类似意思的话，是的。\n5 问：您告诉过他那个，对吧？\n6 答：是的。\n7 施罗夫律师：我没有其他问题了。\n8 法庭：二次主询问。\n9 霍顿先生：没有其他问题了。谢谢。\n10 法庭：谢谢你，先生，你可以离开法庭了。\n11 12 （证人退庭）\n13 法庭：检方可以传唤其下一位证人。\n14 默里（MS. MURRAY）律师：好的，法官阁下。政府传唤\n15 加布里埃拉·卢西亚诺（Gabriella Luciano）。\n16 加布里埃拉·卢西亚诺，\n17 由政府传唤作为证人，\n18 经正式宣誓后，作证如下：\n19 法庭：请说出您的姓名并拼写出来，\n20 请对着麦克风说话。\n21 证人：加布里埃拉·卢西亚诺（Gabriella Luciano），G-A-B-R-I-E-L-L-A，\n22 L-U-C-I-A-N-O。\n23 法庭：你可以开始询问了。\n24 主询问\n25 默里律师问：\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 主询问\n\n1 问：下午好。您在哪里工作？\n2 答：我在纽约市的 FBI（联邦调查局）工作。\n3 问：您的职务是什么？\n4 答：我是一名特别探员。\n5 问：您担任 FBI 特别探员多久了？\n6 答：自 2019年7月7日 至今。\n7 问：您在 FBI 的某个特定小组工作吗？\n8 答：是的，女士。我在白领犯罪小组工作。\n9 问：作为一名 FBI 特别探员，您的职责和\n10 任务是什么？\n11 答：竭尽所能调查犯罪，不仅局限于我自己负责的违法行为，\n12 有时也包括其他人的。\n13 问：在您供职于 FBI 期间，您参与过搜查令的执行吗？\n14 15 答：是的，女士。\n16 问：什么是搜查令？\n17 答：它是一份法律文件，授权搜寻以及/或者扣押\n18 与犯罪相关的特定物品。\n19 问：特别探员卢西亚诺，我想请您把注意力转向\n20 2023年3月15日。您那天上班了吗？\n21 答：是的，女士。\n22 问：大体上说，您那天做了什么？\n23 答：我作为搜查人员执行了针对新泽西州莫瓦（Mahwah）\n24 一处豪宅居所的搜查令。\n25 问：那处豪宅居所位于哪个州？\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 主询问\n\n1 答：新泽西州。\n2 问：如果有的话，搜查令允许 FBI 在那个\n3 地点做什么？\n4 答：它授权 FBI 进入该场所，\n5 搜寻指定的物品，以及更广泛范围的与该犯罪\n6 相关的物品。\n7 问：特别探员卢西亚诺，您参与了\n8 对郭文贵（Miles Guo）的调查吗？\n9 答：没有，女士。\n10 默里律师：法官阁下，此时我提出一份\n11 约定事项。这是政府证物 Stip-5。\n12 法庭：准予采纳。\n13 （政府证物 Stip-5 被采纳为证据）\n14 默里律师：洛夫特斯（Loftus）女士，请为我们展示一下该证物。\n15 这是双方之间的一份约定事项。内容为\n16 双方同意，如果传唤出庭作证，\n17 Federal Bureau of Investigation（联邦调查局，FBI）的特别探员\n18 将作证如下：\n19 2023年3月15日，特别探员及其他 FBI\n20 雇员对新泽西州莫瓦市拉马波谷路 675 号（675 Ramapo Valley Road, Mahwah, New Jersey）\n21 依法执行了搜查。在搜查过程中，FBI\n22 人员拍摄了新泽西州莫瓦市拉马波谷路 675 号\n23 外部及内部空间的勘验照片。政府证物\n24 NJ-1 至政府证物 NJ-357 是由 FBI 摄影师\n25 于 2023年3月15日 依法拍摄的新泽西州莫瓦市拉马波谷路 675 号\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 主询问\n\n1 内部及外部空间的真实准确\n2 照片。在 2023年3月15日 的\n3 搜查之后，FBI 人员扫描并拍摄了在搜查过程中\n4 依法扣押的物品和文件。\n5 政府证物 NJ-601 至 NJ-839 是由 FBI 于\n6 2023年3月15日 依法扣押的文件和物品的真实准确\n7 图像。约定事项表明，该约定事项本身\n8 亦可被采纳为证据。\n9 法官阁下，此时根据本约定事项，\n10 政府提出以下证物：这些全都是\n11 政府证物 NJ 编号。政府证物 NJ-7、\n12 NJ-12、NJ-14、NJ-15、NJ-22 至 NJ-26、NJ-32 至 NJ-37、\n13 NJ-40 至 NJ-42、NJ-44 至 NJ-45、NJ-53、NJ-55、NJ-58\n14 至 NJ-61、NJ-85、NJ-94、NJ-95 至 NJ-106、NJ-111、\n15 NJ-112、NJ-114、NJ-116 至 NJ-117、NJ-120、NJ-121、NJ-125、\n16 NJ-127、NJ-135 至 NJ-147、NJ-149、NJ-151、NJ-153 至\n17 NJ-157、NJ-160、NJ-172、NJ-175 至 NJ-177、NJ-181、NJ-184\n18 至 NJ-187、NJ-189、NJ-190、NJ-198 至 NJ-199、NJ-201\n19 至 NJ-207、NJ-209 至 NJ-210、NJ-214 至 NJ-215、\n20 NJ-221 至 NJ-225、NJ-228、NJ-230、NJ-233、NJ-246、NJ-249\n21 至 NJ-250、NJ-254 至 NJ-259、NJ-265、NJ-267、NJ-271\n22 至 NJ-276、NJ-283 至 NJ-286、NJ-289 至 NJ-294、\n23 NJ-314、NJ-315、NJ-324、NJ-335、NJ-336、NJ-338、NJ-341 至\n24 NJ-349、NJ-354、NJ-356、NJ-357、NJ-607 至 NJ-612、NJ-662、\n25 NJ-669、NJ-745、NJ-798 及 NJ-800、NJ-807 及 NJ-808。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 主询问\n\n1 法庭：准予采纳。\n2 （政府证物 NJ-7、NJ-12、NJ-14、NJ-15、\n3 NJ-22 至 NJ-26、NJ-32 至 NJ-37、NJ-40 至 NJ-42、\n4 NJ-44 至 NJ-45、NJ-53、NJ-55、NJ-58 至 NJ-61、NJ-85、\n5 NJ-94、NJ-95 至 NJ-106、NJ-111、NJ-112、NJ-114、NJ-116\n6 至 NJ-117、NJ-120、NJ-121、NJ-125、NJ-127、NJ-135 至\n7 NJ-147、NJ-149、NJ-151、NJ-153 至 NJ-157、NJ-160、NJ-172、\n8 NJ-175 至 NJ-177、NJ-181、NJ-184 至 NJ-187、NJ-189、\n9 NJ-190、NJ-198 至 NJ-199、NJ-201 至 NJ-207、NJ-209\n10 至 NJ-210、NJ-214 至 NJ-215、NJ-221 至 NJ-225、\n11 NJ-228、NJ-230、NJ-233、NJ-246、NJ-249 至 NJ-250、NJ-254\n12 至 NJ-259、NJ-265、NJ-267、NJ-271 至 NJ-276、NJ-283\n13 至 NJ-286、NJ-289 至 NJ-294、NJ-314、NJ-315、NJ-324、\n14 NJ-335、NJ-336、NJ-338、NJ-341 至 NJ-349、NJ-354、NJ-356、\n15 NJ-357、NJ-607 至 NJ-612、NJ-662、NJ-669、NJ-745、NJ-798\n16 及 NJ-800、NJ-807 及 NJ-808 已被采纳为证据）\n17 默里律师问：\n18 问：特别探员卢西亚诺，您会如何描述\n19 您于 2023年3月15日 搜查的物业？\n20 答：巨大、奢华、宏伟。\n21 问：洛夫特斯女士，能否请您展示已作为证据采纳的\n22 政府证物 134。\n23 您能认出政府证物 134 中\n24 所描绘的物业吗？\n25 答：能，女士。\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：这是什么？\n2 答：这是马赫瓦（Mahwah）住宅。\n3 问：那就是你在2023年3月15日搜查的住宅吗？\n4 答：是的，女士。\n5 问：我们可以撤下那张了。\n6 在搜查之前，如果有的话，FBI（联邦调查局）搜查小组\n7 做了哪些准备？\n8 答：有一个搜查简报会，概述了当天行动如何进行以及我们将\n9 听从谁的指挥等宏观总体方案，但其中很大一部分\n10 是由物证小组和调查小组负责的。\n11 问：那天你是物证小组的成员吗？\n12 答：我是搜查人员。那天我不在物证小组。\n13 问：你是调查小组的成员吗？\n14 答：不是，女士。\n15 问：你能描述一下你在2023年3月15日\n16 搜查马赫瓦房产期间采取了哪些行动吗？\n17 答：好的。我是搜查人员，所以我收到的方案是\n18 检查一个指定区域。由于该房产占地面积过大，\n19 我们不可能由我个人单独查看每一个\n20 房间，因此我被分配了一条走廊，我搜查了\n21 该走廊的所有房间和所有区域。\n22 问：2023年3月15日那天，除了你的指定区域之外，你是否还穿行过马赫瓦\n23 房产的其他区域？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 答：是的，女士。\n2 问：可以说你并没有走遍那处房产的每一寸地方，\n3 这样说公允吗？\n4 答：请您重复一遍好吗。\n5 问：可以说你当天并没有走遍那处房产的每一寸地方，\n6 这样说公允吗？\n7 答：是的。\n8 问：Loftus（洛夫特斯）女士，请把政府方\n9 证据 NJ215 和 241 并排展示出来。\n10 Luciano（卢西亚诺）特别探员，你能描述一下我们在这里看到的是\n11 该住宅的哪一部分吗？\n12 答：这是该住宅的大门之一。\n13 问：我们可以撤下这些，换上 214、342。从\n14 左上角开始，这张照片反映的是该住宅的哪一部分？\n15 答：住宅的一个入口。\n16 问：然后再看右上角和下方的照片，那些是\n17 其他照片中的其他角度吗？\n18 答：是的，女士。\n19 问：我们可以撤下这些了。\n20 卢西亚诺特别探员，你在2023年3月15日进过该房产的\n21 车库吗？\n22 答：是的，我进去了。\n23 问：洛夫特斯女士，请展示 NJ94、33 和 34。\n24 那天你在马赫瓦住宅的车库里\n25 看到了什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 答：几辆车，就像这里所描绘的一样。\n2 问：根据你当天的观察，如果有的话，你在那个车库里\n3 观察到了哪些类型的车辆？\n4 答：高端豪华车辆。有一辆黑色的路虎揽胜（Range Rover）\n5 SUV，你在这张照片中看到它离我站的位置\n6 最近，此外还有多辆高端摩托车。\n7 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以撤下那些，请调出 36、37\n8 和 35。\n9 卢西亚诺特别探员，这些是来自那个车库的\n10 其他照片吗？\n11 答：是的，女士。\n12 问：洛夫特斯女士，能否放大左上角的照片。\n13 这里展示的是什么？\n14 答：几辆摩托车。\n15 问：你在2023年3月15日观察到那些摩托车了吗？\n16 答：是的，女士。\n17 问：我们可以撤下那张。请展示证据 111 和 356。\n18\n19 根据你在2023年3月15日的搜查，你认出这些照片中\n20 描绘的房间了吗？\n21 答：认出来了，女士。\n22 问：你能为陪审团描述一下这个房间位于\n23 房屋内的什么位置吗？\n24 答：好的。它在一楼，位于主玄关外侧，玄关处\n25 有一张大圆桌。我相信它就在紧邻的左侧。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：还有，洛夫特斯女士，在右侧照片中的木饰面板上，\n2 能否放大看起来是用胶带贴在或用图钉钉在该墙上的\n3 照片。我们撤下那张，换上 116、112 和 114。\n4\n5 从左上角这张照片开始，你能为陪审团描述一下\n6 我们在这张照片中看到的是该住宅的什么景貌吗？\n7 答：这看起来像是一间客厅。\n8 问：右上角的照片是否展示了通往该客厅的\n9 类似拱门和走廊的不同角度？\n10 答：是的，女士。\n11 问：再看底部的照片，相对于该房间那是\n12 什么视角？\n13 答：它沿房间的纵深方向平行延伸。\n14 问：洛夫特斯女士，让我们撤下那些，请换上 117 和 121。\n15\n16 顺便问一下，卢西亚诺特别探员，你知道 Ramapo Valley Road（拉马波谷路）675号这处房产\n17 还有其他名称吗？\n18 答：知道，女士。\n19 问：是什么名称？\n20 答：Crocker Estate（克罗克庄园）。\n21 问：看这些照片，你能为陪审团解释一下这个房间\n22 位于住宅内的什么位置吗？\n23 答：好的。它在一楼，我会说它是该住宅的\n24 主要区域。我去过的所有二楼走廊\n25 都可以俯瞰这个房间。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：它有多大？\n2 答：非常宽敞。\n3 问：让我们撤下那些，换上 120 和 125。\n4 这些是我们刚才看过的同一房间的其他\n5 角度吗？\n6 答：是的，女士，是的。\n7 问：看左侧的照片，你能解释一下照片中描绘的\n8 二楼走廊在哪里吗？\n9 答：如果你看吊灯，稍微往上看并往它后方看，\n10 那些就是二楼的走廊。此外，你还会看到在两端房间后方各有一个\n11 白色拱门，一个在大风琴后方，另一个正对着\n12 它。\n13 问：然后看右侧的照片，洛夫特斯女士，能否放大\n14 后部区域，那里似乎有一件与房间等高的\n15 物品。你能解释一下那是什么吗？\n16 答：好的。我刚才口误了。我之前称它为大教堂，实际上\n17 它是一架管风琴。\n18 问：那是位于大厅一侧的管风琴；\n19 是这样吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 答：是的。\n2 Shroff（施罗夫）女士：反对诱导性发问。\n3 Murray（默里）女士：我认为施罗夫女士提出了反对。\n4 法官：我没听到反对意见。\n5 施罗夫女士：没关系。我刚才是在反对\n6 诱导性发问。\n7 法官：好的。不要诱导。\n8 默里女士：好的，法官阁下。\n9 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以撤下那些，请展示 127。\n10 如果可以的话，请放大窗户部分。\n11\n12 卢西亚诺特别探员，这张照片是在朝向什么看？\n13\n14 答：住宅的外面。\n15 问：让我们撤下那张，请展示 103 和 104。\n16 这里展示的是什么类型的房间？\n17 答：这是另一间客厅。\n18 问：洛夫特斯女士，能否放大左边照片中\n19 位于中间位置的桌椅区域。\n20 卢西亚诺特别探员，你看到这张照片中靠着\n21 疑似壁炉的东西是什么了吗？\n22 答：看到了，女士。\n23 问：那个矩形物体？\n24 答：是的，女士。\n25 问：那看起来是什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 答：某种雕像。\n2 问：在雕像上方，请直接放大紧靠壁炉的部位。\n3 让我们在右侧试试。\n4 壁炉，右侧那个整面白色的壁炉，\n5 壁炉前面立着的那个物品是什么？\n6 答：一台大屏幕电视。\n7 问：撤下那张，展示证据 314、315 和 324。\n8 那么，卢西亚诺特别探员，你看到这些照片中描绘的\n9 每个物品上都悬挂着东西吗？\n10 答：是的。\n11 问：那是什么？\n12 答：它们看起来是标签。\n13 问：我们能否拿掉那张，稍微聚焦在底部的物品上一会儿。\n14 你知道这是什么类型的物品吗？\n15 答：我不知道。\n16 问：请展示 101 和 102。\n17 那么，卢西亚诺特别探员，在左侧的照片中\n18 墙上有一张纸。你看到了吗？\n19 答：看到了，女士。\n20 问：如果有的话，那代表什么？\n21 答：那是一个房间编号，有助于标明你在哪里\n22 找到了某样东西。所以在这张照片中，我们看到有\n23 车辆的雕塑或雕像，我们可以清楚地看到\n24 这是在Q号房间里看到的。有助于我们保持条理。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：在执行搜查令的过程中，如果有的话，由谁\n2 用不同的标识符指定房间？\n3 答：那是物证反应小组和搜查小组\n4 组长。\n5 问：聚焦于中央的物体，你在2023年3月15日\n6 看到它了吗？\n7 答：看到了，女士。\n8 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们可以撤下那些，请展示 153\n9 和 154。\n10 卢西亚诺特别探员，这些是同一物体的\n11 其他照片吗？\n12 答：是的，女士。\n13 问：能否放大左侧的物品。谢谢。\n14 根据你的观察，它看起来是什么？\n15 答：跑车。\n16 问：让我们撤下那张，请把 153 与 800 并排调出。\n17 卢西亚诺特别探员，证据 NJ800 是否是搜查马赫瓦\n18 房产期间起获的\n19 物品之一的扫描件？\n20 答：是的，女士。\n21 问：请你只关注顶部的\n22 英文。你能读一下灰色的部分吗？\n23 答：课程管理处声明 Qiang Guo（郭强）已\n24 成功参加法拉利挑战赛（Ferrari challenge）。\n25 问：你知道郭强是谁吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 答：不知道，女士。\n2 问：看左下角，这份文件上列出的\n3 法拉利挑战赛日期是什么？\n4 答：2015年1月29日至31日。\n5 问：起获该文件的搜查令是在哪一天\n6 执行的？\n7 答：2023年3月15日。\n8 问：撤下那些，请换上 149 和 151。\n9 卢西亚诺特别探员，这是什么类型的房间？\n10 答：这是另一间客厅。\n11 问：在左边，左边的照片穿过门道看过去，\n12 洛夫特斯女士，能否放大那里。\n13 如果有的话，我们透过这里的门道看到了什么？\n14 答：你看到了那个雕塑。\n15 问：那是我们在前一张照片中看过的\n16 同一个雕塑吗？\n17 答：是的。\n18 问：聚焦于右侧的物品，请放大\n19 壁炉。\n20 在这个房间的壁炉前面是\n21 什么类型的物品？\n22 答：这就是那台大电视。\n23 问：让我们撤下这些，请换上 189 和 190。\n24 这看起来是什么类型的房间？\n25 答：这是一间客厅。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：聚焦于左侧照片中的沙发和\n2 椅子，能否放大那些。\n3 你看到那些白色的枕头了吗？\n4 答：看到了，女士。\n5 问：你认出那些白色枕头上的图案了吗？\n6 答：我没认出来。\n7 问：你知道 G Fashion 是什么吗？\n8 答：不知道，女士。\n9 问：让我们撤下那张，现在请看 99 和 100。\n10 卢西亚诺特别探员，这个房间里似乎有一些设备。\n11 你看到了吗？\n12 答：看到了。\n13 问：那看起来是什么类型的设备？\n14 答：看起来是照明设备。\n15 问：让我们撤下这张，请展示 155 和 156。\n16 卢西亚诺特别探员，这些是我们刚才看过的\n17 同一房间的其他照片吗？\n18 答：是的，女士。\n19 问：现在，洛夫特斯女士，能否请在左侧并排调出\n20 156 与证据 662，我们能否翻到第\n21 5页。\n22 卢西亚诺特别探员，这是根据双方当事人之间的\n23 约定从该住宅起获的物品的\n24 另一份扫描件。看这里的第5页，\n25 你能否将扫描件第5页上的图像与\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano（卢西亚诺）- 主问\n1 ...包含 662 号或 156 号物证中照片的文件？\n2 答：它们看起来即使不完全相同，也非常相似。\n3 问：另外，Ms. Loftus（洛夫特斯女士），我们能否放大 662 号物证\n4 左侧的文字。你能读一下粗体文字的描述吗？\n5 答：一座大型 Ormolu（鎏金铜饰）镶嵌桃花心木书柜。\n6 问：看一下价格，似乎有英镑、美元\n7 和欧元，请你读一下这些区间好吗？\n8 答：按美元算是 19,000 至 31,000。\n9 问：洛夫特斯女士，让我们展示 144 和 145 号物证。\n10 这是什么类型的房间？\n11 答：这看起来是一个餐厅。\n12 问：现在让我们展示证物（Exhibits）135、136、137 和 138。\n13 这是什么房间？\n14 答：这是该住所的其中一间厨房。\n15 问：再看这些窗户，以右上方的窗户为\n16 例，透过这些窗户我们能看到什么景观（如果有的话）？\n17\n18 答：看起来是庭院景观。\n19 问：洛夫特斯女士，请调出 140 和 141 号物证。\n20 顺便问一下，我们刚才看的那间厨房位于哪\n21 一层？\n22 答：我认为是在一楼。\n23 MS. SHROFF（施罗夫女士）：异议。\n24 答：但我想看完整的实地巡视记录，因为\n25 厨房太多了。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（纽约南区法院速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 THE COURT（法庭）：不要猜测。如果你不知道，就说\n2 你不知道。\n3 问：看这些证物，其中描绘的是该住所\n4 内的什么房间？\n5 答：这是另一间厨房。\n6 问：然后我们可以撤下这些，展示 142 和 143 号物证。\n7 你看到左侧照片中那个找不到更合适词来\n8 形容的结构了吗？\n9 答：是的，女士。\n10 问：那是什么？\n11 答：那是通往下层楼层之一的楼梯。\n12 问：从哪里通往下层？从\n13 什么房间通往下层？\n14 答：从其中一间厨房通往下层。\n15 问：让我们撤下这个，请展示 85 和 7 号物证。\n16 你认得这里左侧描绘的是什么\n17 吗？\n18 答：这是下层楼层的走廊之一。\n19 问：洛夫特斯女士，看右侧照片，我们能否放大\n20 墙上的黑色矩形物品。\n21 那看起来是什么图像？\n22 答：一只猴子的艺术品。\n23 问：我们可以撤下这个。请看 14 和 15 号物证。\n24 先看左边，你能描述一下这张照片中展示了什么（如果\n25 有的话）吗？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 答：有四件波普艺术雕塑和更多关于猴子的艺术品。\n2 问：右边的照片，如果我们能放大\n3 墙上的画，洛夫特斯女士。\n4 那里展示了什么？\n5 答：一只猴子的艺术品。\n6 问：让我们先缩小画面并保留这些展示。\n7 在右侧照片中你看到了什么类型的设备（如果有的话）？\n8\n9 答：健身器材。\n10 问：请展示 22、23、24 和 25 号物证。\n11 这位于房屋的哪个部分？\n12 答：这位于该住所的下层。\n13 问：这些是什么类型的房间？\n14 答：它们类似于水疗区。有一个冲洗\n15 室和带照明的泳池。\n16 问：你巡视走过房屋的这一部分吗？\n17 答：是的，女士。\n18 问：洛夫特斯女士，在左上方的照片中如果我们聚焦在垫子上。\n19 这张照片中垫子旁边是什么？\n20 答：一双鞋。\n21 问：撤下那些，请展示 26 和 32 号物证。\n22 这些房间位于房屋的哪个部分？\n23 答：这些也位于房屋的下层。\n24 问：它们与我们刚才看到的泳池（找不到更好的词来形容）\n25 照片的位置关系如何？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 答：它们就在附近。\n2 问：现在请看 97 和 98 号物证。\n3 右边的照片更清晰一些，在右边的照片中\n4 我们看的是房屋的哪个部分？\n5 答：这是几个楼层之间的楼梯平台。\n6 问：我们可以撤下这个，请看 210 号物证。\n7 这是什么类型的房间？\n8 答：这是一间起居室。\n9 问：撤下那个，请看 198 和 201 号物证。这是什么类型\n10 的房间？\n11 答：这是一间卧室。\n12 问：你在 2023年3月15日 进入过这个房间吗？\n13 答：是的，女士。\n14 问：看壁炉上方，墙上、壁炉架上挂着\n15 什么（如果有的话）？\n16 答：一台电视。\n17 问：让我们缩小画面。Special Agent Luciano（特别探员卢西亚诺），看\n18 右边的照片，你看到镜子下方的一件家具\n19 了吗？\n20 答：是的，女士。\n21 问：2023年3月15日，针对那件家具你做\n22 了什么（如果有的话）？\n23 答：是我搜查了它。\n24 问：FBI（联邦调查局）根据搜查令是否有权搜查\n25 关闭的抽屉、上锁的容器和物品？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 施罗夫女士：异议，法官阁下（your Honor）。\n2 法庭：如果你知道，可以回答。\n3 答：我们有权这样做。\n4 问：你能向陪审团描述一下你是如何搜查这个\n5 梳妆台的吗？\n6 答：好的。我们打开抽屉，然后检查了\n7 里面的物品。\n8 问：你在这个梳妆台里发现了什么（如果有的话）？\n9 答：我发现了一个皮套，里面装有某种卡片。\n10 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能否撤下那些并调出\n11 证物 249 和 250。\n12 特别探员卢西亚诺，你认得那些照片中描绘的是什么\n13 吗？\n14 答：是的，女士，我认得。\n15 问：它是什么？\n16 答：这是我发现的装有卡片的皮套，\n17 你可以在物品清单上看到我的名字。\n18 问：先聚焦在左边的图像上，洛夫特斯女士，\n19 如果我们能放大。\n20 左边那个套子是用什么材质制成\n21 的？\n22 答：荔枝纹皮。\n23 问：那件物品上写了什么（如果有的话）？\n24 答：上面写着 Stefano Ricci（史蒂芬劳·尼治）俱乐部。\n25 问：请缩小画面，并放大右侧，\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 右边的照片。我们在这里看到的是左侧盒子的\n2 什么视角？\n3 答：这些是该皮套里的物品。\n4 问：看那张纸，物品描述栏里写了\n5 什么（如果有的话）？\n6 答：黑色 Stefano Ricci 会员套装交织字母。\n7 问：明确地说，如果有人的话，是谁在这种物品清单\n8 上填写这些信息的？\n9 答：那是我写的，因为是我找到了该物品。\n10 问：在“收集人”一栏，那是谁的名字？\n11 答：我的名字。\n12 问：现在，看物品本身，白色纸片左边的是\n13 什么？是一个卡片大小的物品？\n14 答：那是会员卡。\n15 问：那是什么颜色的？是黑色带金色圆圈吗？\n16 答：是的，女士。\n17 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能否把那部分放大。这就是\n18 我们当前放大的左半部分。\n19 特别探员卢西亚诺，那天你拿起或摸过那张\n20 卡片吗？\n21 答：我摸过。\n22 问：你能向陪审团描述一下它摸起来感觉如何吗？\n23 答：那是一张金属卡。它比普通的\n24 塑料信用卡要重。\n25 问：底部这里写着什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 答：Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）。\n2 问：Ho Wan Kwok 上方印着的字呢？\n3 答：本欢迎手册属于。\n4 问：你知道 Ho Wan Kwok 是谁吗？\n5 答：不知道，女士。\n6 问：我们可以撤下这个，请看 199 号物证。\n7 我们在这里看的是什么？我们是在朝哪个方向\n8 看？\n9 答：这就是刚才发现会员套的卧室，\n10 你会看到左边的门通向一间浴室，右边的门通向一连串\n11 的三间房间。其中第一间是衣帽间。第二间\n12 是一个用作被服储藏间的大房间，\n13 第三间你可以看到门是关着的，\n14 是另一个衣帽间。\n15\n16 问：那么请看 202 和 203 号物证。\n17 现在，这个房间相对于我们刚才在 199 号物证\n18 中看到的视角位于何处？\n19 答：这是穿过第一组门框后那一连串房间中的\n20 第一间。\n21 问：看右边的照片，你能解释一下我们透过这里的门道\n22 在右侧看到的是什么房间吗？\n23\n24 答：穿过那个门道的房间是另一个被用作\n25 衣帽间的大房间。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 问：洛夫特斯女士，如果我们能把右侧照片中挂着的衣服\n2 放大一下。我们可以撤下那个，请看 204 和 205 号物证。\n3\n4 特别探员卢西亚诺，这是哪个房间？\n5 答：这是那一连串房间中居中的一间。是一个被用作\n6 衣帽间的大房间。\n7 问：请看 283 和 284 号物证。这些是该房间的\n8 其他视角吗？\n9 答：是的，女士。\n10 问：洛夫特斯女士，在右边的照片中，我们能否把靠后墙\n11 的整个挂衣架放大。\n12\n13 特别探员卢西亚诺，那个衣架上挂着什么，\n14 看起来挂着什么？\n15 答：衣物。\n16 问：你知道 2023年3月15日 是否扣押了任何\n17 衣物吗？\n18 答：我知道。\n19 问：洛夫特斯女士，你能在 284 号物证旁边同时展示证物 221 吗。\n20 特别探员卢西亚诺，这里左侧显示的是什么？\n21\n22 答：这是西服上的标签。\n23 问：那是 2023年3月15日 从 Mahwah（马瓦）\n24 住所扣押的一套西服吗？\n25 答：是的，女士。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 问：你能读出那个标签上写着什么吗？\n2 答：Brioni（布里奥尼）专为 Miles Kwok（郭文贵）定制。\n3 问：让我们撤下那个，请展示 185 和 186 号物证。这是\n4 什么类型的房间？\n5 答：这是一间卧室。\n6 问：现在请展示 187 号物证。放大床边\n7 的地垫。地垫上有什么（如果有的话）？\n8 答：拖鞋。\n9 问：请看 181 号物证。\n10 这是什么类型的房间？\n11 答：这是一间浴室。\n12 问：在这张照片的左下方，我们在看\n13 什么（如果有的话）？\n14 答：毛巾。\n15 问：是吗？\n16 答：毛巾。\n17 问：你在 2023年3月15日 的搜查中观察到了\n18 毛巾吗？\n19 答：是的，女士。\n20 问：洛夫特斯女士，请在旁边同时调出证物 228。\n21 这些是你在 2023年3月15日 搜查期间观察\n22 到的一部分毛巾吗？\n23 答：是的，女士。\n24 问：它们是什么品牌的？\n25 答：Versace（范思哲）。\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano - 主问\n1 问：现在请看 174 和 177 号物证。这是什么类型的房间，\n2 特别探员卢西亚诺？\n3 答：这是一间卧室。\n4 问：你看到这间卧室床垫边缘上的图案\n5 了吗？\n6 答：看到了。\n7 问：你会如何描述那种图案？\n8 答：看起来是类似于格子呢或 Buffalo（水牛格）的方格图案。\n9 问：现在请看 224 和 254 号物证。\n10 我们在这里左边看到的是什么？\n11 答：这是一个保险箱。\n12 问：那个保险箱位于何处？\n13 答：在我们之前看过的关着门的那一连串房间\n14 中的第三个衣帽间里。\n15 问：在 2023年3月15日 当天，是否有过 FBI\n16 获取这个保险箱内物品的时候？\n17 答：是的，女士。\n18 问：在获取这个保险箱内的物品时，你的\n19 职责是什么（如果有的话）？\n20 答：我观察了保险箱的开启过程，并搜查了\n21 保险箱内的物品。\n22 问：保险箱右边的照片是什么？\n23 答：保险箱内的若干物品。\n24 问：现在请展示证物 255 和 265。\n25 我们在左边的照片中看的是什么？\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问（Direct）\n1 答：保险箱里的物品。\n2 问：洛夫特斯女士（Ms. Loftus），我们能不能放大那张左边\n3 照片的左上角部分。这里的左上角，特别探员\n4 卢西亚诺（Special Agent Luciano），那是什么？\n5 答：是一袋钱。\n6 问：可以缩小，然后请放大右\n7 边。\n8 特别探员卢西亚诺，这是什么？这张照片里\n9 拍摄的是什么？\n10 答：这是从那个保险箱里查扣的现金。\n11 问：后来你清点过那笔钱吗？\n12 答：是的，女士。\n13 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能不能缩小，并进一步放大那张\n14 白纸。\n15 保险箱里大约有多少钱？\n16 答：大约是 394,040 美元。\n17 问：这 394,040 美元是什么币种？\n18 答：美元现金。\n19 问：请看证据第 275 和 276 号。\n20 这是什么类型的房间？\n21 答：这是一个壁橱/衣帽间。\n22 问：现在看第 273 和 274 号。我们这里看到的是什么？\n23 答：男士服装。\n24 问：洛夫特斯女士，在右侧，我们能不能先放大\n25 左上方的黑色物品。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.（纽约南区法庭速记公司）\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 你看到上面写有文字吗，特别探员\n2 卢西亚诺？\n3 答：看到了。\n4 问：你知道它们是什么意思吗？\n5 答：不知道，女士。\n6 问：如果看得出的话，那看起来是什么面料\n7 制成的？\n8 答：皮革。\n9 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能不能在 274 号旁边调出证据第 256 号，\n10 并且尽量放大文字部分。\n11 这个右上角有文字，是什么？\n12 答：G Fashion。\n13 问：左上角有一个词，写的是什么？\n14 答：Invoice（发票/账单）。\n15 问：这张发票的订购日期是哪天？\n16 答：2022年12月15日。\n17 问：我们缩小画面。这里有几件物品。我想\n18 让您注意这里的最后一件。洛夫特斯女士，如果我们能放大\n19 那一项。\n20 首先，这张发票上\n21 该物品的数量是多少？\n22 答：一件。\n23 问：它是怎么描述的？\n24 答：Crocodile hoodie leather jacket（鳄鱼皮连帽皮夹克）。\n25 问：在 50 前面的上方，你是否看到三个字母？\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 答：是的，女士。\n2 问：写的是什么？\n3 答：BLK（黑色）。\n4 问：上面列出的价格是多少。在第二列中，\n5 这件夹克列出的价格是多少？\n6 答：价格是 $129,600。\n7 问：我们缩小画面。洛夫特斯女士，现在能不能\n8 放上 257 和 258 号。\n9 现在把焦点放在左侧，我们能不能只放大\n10 小计、运费、折扣信息。在这份\n11 文件上，小计是多少？\n12 答：$177,525。\n13 问：折扣是多少？\n14 答：$177,525。\n15 问：这是百分之多少的折扣？\n16 答：100%。\n17 问：那么这张发票的总价是多少？\n18 答：0 美元。\n19 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们现在看右边。\n20 实际上，我们先把右边的撤下来，以便清楚地查看\n21 258 号。谢谢。\n22 请你按顺序读一下这里列出的五件\n23 物品的描述，好吗？\n24 答：Biker zip-up dress（机车拉链连衣裙）、leather Rosita pants（Rosita 皮裤）、leather jumpsuit（皮连体裤）、\n25 leather jumpsuit（皮连体裤）、crocodile leather jacket（鳄鱼皮夹克）。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：再看这些物品列出的数量，特别\n2 探员卢西亚诺，例如鳄鱼皮夹克\n3 有几件？\n4 答：有两件。\n5 问：每件的价格是多少？\n6 答：价格是 $186,000。\n7 问：那么把这张发票上列出的物品数量加起来，这张\n8 发票上一共体现了多少件\n9 单件物品？\n10 答：按我的计算有十件。\n11 问：这十件物品的小计是多少？\n12 答：$425,065。\n13 问：折扣呢？\n14 答：$425,065。\n15 问：这是百分之多少的折扣？\n16 答：100%。\n17 问：这是否超过了 50%？\n18 答：是的，女士。\n19 问：这是否超过了 10%？\n20 希罗夫女士（Ms. Shroff）：法官阁下，我们正式认可（stipulate）百分之百\n21 超过所有这些比例。\n22 法庭：好的。\n23 问：这十件物品的总价是多少？\n24 答：0 美元。\n25 问：我们可以把那个撤下来了。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 洛夫特斯女士，我们现在请看 233 号。聚焦在\n2 顶部的这部分。这份文件上\n3 反映了什么信息？\n4 答：安保人员（Security personnel）。\n5 问：列出的头衔是什么？\n6 答：安保主管（Director of security）。\n7 问：那里有一张照片。你认得那个人吗？\n8 答：不认得，女士。\n9 问：看右边，那个人\n10 列出的姓名是什么？\n11 答：斯科特·巴奈特（Scott Barnett）。\n12 问：现在可以撤下那个，请出示证据第 61 号。\n13 这张照片里的是什么？\n14 答：这看起来像是一个信封。\n15 问：这个信封左上角\n16 的寄件人地址是什么？\n17 答：162 East 64th Street, New York, New York 10065。\n18 问：这是寄到哪个地址的？\n19 答：寄往 33 Ferncliff Road, Cos Cob, Connecticut\n20 06807。\n21 问：在那下方有一个“to”加冒号，后面\n22 写的是什么？\n23 答：To Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）, Wen Gui Guo（郭文贵）。\n24 问：你知道 Wen Gui Guo 是谁吗？\n25 答：不知道，女士。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：现在放上证据第 55 号和 230 号。从左边\n2 开始，洛夫特斯女士，如果我们能放大绿色部分\n3 一直到卡片。\n4 特别探员卢西亚诺，我们这里看到的是什么？\n5 答：这看起来是一张纽约州身份证件（ID）。\n6 问：这张身份证件上的人名是什么？\n7 答：Hoe Wan Kwok。\n8 问：有点难辨认，你看到下面列出的\n9 Ho Wan Kwok 的地址了吗？\n10 答：我确实看到了地址。\n11 问：你能看清吗？\n12 答：看不清楚。\n13 问：如果能看出来的话，那个地址在哪条街上？\n14 答：第一个数字不清楚。\n15 问：好的。洛夫特斯女士，我们可以缩小，然后\n16 放大右边的证件，看起来像证件的那个。\n17 这是什么类型的卡片？\n18 答：这看起来也是一张身份证。\n19 问：你能看清这张卡片顶部的名称或标题吗？\n20 答：Hong Kong permanent identity card（香港永久性居民身份证）。\n21 问：属于谁的？\n22 答：Ho Wan Kwok。\n23 问：看签发日期，有点模糊。你能\n24 读出它的签发日期吗？\n25 答：是 10-12-04。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：我们可以缩小。来看 267 和 745 号。\n2 从屏幕左侧的 267 号开始，我们能不能放大\n3 信封以及上面的文件。\n4 我们这里看到的是什么？\n5 答：这些看起来是社会安全卡（social security cards）。\n6 问：洛夫特斯女士，我们能不能再缩小，只放大\n7 左侧社会安全卡上的白色部分。\n8 你能读出这封邮件收件人的姓名吗？\n9 答：Hing Chi Ngok（岳庆芝）。\n10 问：它寄往的地址是什么？\n11 答：地址是 781 Fiesta Avenue Apartment, 1801, New York,\n12 New York 10022。\n13 问：看右下角社会安全卡的右侧，\n14 那张卡的签发日期是什么？\n15 答：10/5/2018。\n16 问：你知道 Hing Chi Ngok 这个人是谁吗？\n17 答：不知道，女士。\n18 问：缩小并看右侧然后放大。\n19 这是什么类型的文件？\n20 答：这是一本护照。\n21 问：哪里签发的？\n22 答：Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Peoples republic of\n23 China（中华人民共和国香港特别行政区）。\n24 问：我们可以撤下那个。洛夫特斯女士，我们现在来看\n25 347 和 348 号。首先看 347 号，我们能不能放大那个\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 物品。这是什么类型的物品？\n2 答：看起来是一个钱包，里面有照片、一张医疗\n3 保险卡和一张信用卡。\n4 问：右上角中间的那张卡片，\n5 你能看清印在那张卡片上的\n6 部分姓名吗？\n7 答：可以，女士。\n8 问：写的是什么？\n9 答：Hing Chi Ngok。\n10 问：缩小并请看右侧。并且\n11 放大那些物品。\n12 看那两个人的照片，\n13 特别探员卢西亚诺，那是我们在刚才左边看到的\n14 图像里的照片吗？\n15 答：我们能不能也调出另一张图片？\n16 问：当然可以。\n17 答：是的，女士。\n18 问：那么右边的图像，是那些从左边显示的\n19 钱包里取出来的物品吗？\n20 答：我说不准。我没有搜查那个钱包。\n21 问：我们把那个撤下来，看证据第 272 号。\n22 这张照片里呈现的是什么类型的文件？\n23 答：旅行和身份证明文件。\n24 问：如果我们能放大左上角，放大\n25 那个物品看看。可能太模糊了。我们改看\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 798 号。\n2 你认得这些照片中\n3 呈现的人吗？\n4 答：不认得，女士。\n5 问：请看 346 和 246 号。聚焦在左边，\n6 这些看起来是什么？\n7 答：个人照片。\n8 问：你认得这些照片中\n9 呈现的人吗？\n10 答：不认得，女士。\n11 问：然后看右边，我们能不能缩小再看\n12 右边。这些看起来是什么？\n13 答：这些看起来也是个人照片。\n14 问：请看证据第 808 号。\n15 我们能不能看下一页。这份文件\n16 右上角的文字是什么？\n17 答：Rolls Royce（劳斯莱斯）。\n18 问：我们放大顶部一直到飞机序列号\n19 部分。你能否从这里第一段的客户（customer）开始读？\n20 答：Whitecroft Shore Limited（白溪岸有限公司）。\n21 问：请继续读完这里的这句话？\n22 答：特此授权以下公司作为其代理人，\n23 代表客户在该飞机注册合同（aircraft enrollment contract）项下\n24 接受服务。\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\nO6KBGUO6 Luciano- 直接询问\n1 问：这里列出的公司名称是 Acass Canada Limited。\n2 你看到了吗？\n3 答：看到了。\n4 问：请缩小并放大底部。\n5 客户同意（Agreed by customer），客户一栏列出的是什么。\n6 答：Whitecroft Shore Limited。\n7 问：印刷体的姓名是？\n8 答：Mei Guo（郭美）。\n9 问：Mei Guo 的职务头衔？\n10 答：Sole director（唯一董事）。\n11 问：请缩小并翻到下一页。\n12 法庭：好的。现在是下午 5 点整。我们\n13 今天的工作就到这里。明天继续。你们\n14 需要在 9 点 30 分到达法庭准备入场。陪审团成员们，请\n15 记住，你们不得在彼此之间讨论\n16 本案。不要允许任何人在你们\n17 面前讨论。不要阅读、观看或收听来自\n18 任何渠道涉及本案主题的任何内容。\n19 祝各位晚上愉快。\n20 法官助理：陪审团退庭。\n21 （陪审团不在场）\n22 法庭：你可以退庭了。\n23 （证人暂时退庭）\n24 法庭：请就座。休庭过夜前，双方是否还有\n25 事项要说明？\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 默里女士（Ms. Murray）：政府方没有事项，法官阁下。\n2 希罗夫女士：法官阁下，只有一件事。我认为\n3 在今天下午向陪审团展示的证据中，\n4 其中一份附有一张照片和一位名叫\n5 斯科特·巴奈特（Scott Barnett）的先生的信息。他的电话号码被\n6 公开展示了，而巴奈特先生并不是——我只是想向\n7 法庭提请注意，或许不公开他的电话号码\n8 会更为审慎，但这由法庭决定。\n9 默里女士：我们很乐意将其隐去（redact）。那看起来\n10 是一个办公电话。对于实际作为证据提交的\n11 展品，我们会将其涂黑隐去。\n12 法庭：很好。祝各位晚上愉快。\n13 （休庭至 2024年6月21日 上午 9:00）\n\nSouthern District Reporters, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 询问索引\n2 接受询问人： 页码\n3 ALEXANDRA GALE（亚历山德拉·盖尔）\n4 由 Mr. Horton（霍顿先生）直接主询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3302\n5 由 Ms. Shroff（希罗夫女士）交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3328\n6 由 Mr. Horton 再次直接询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .3363\n7 由 Ms. Shroff 再次交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .3365\n8 由 Mr. Horton 再次直接询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .3368\n9 由 Ms. Shroff 再次交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .3368\n10 ELIZABETH BERSTLER（伊丽莎白·伯斯特勒）\n11 由 Mr. Fergenson（弗根森先生）直接主询问 . . . . . . . . . . .3370\n12 由 Mr. Schirick（希里克先生）交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .3401\n13 由 Mr. Fergenson 再次直接询问 . . . . . . . . . .3433\n14 由 Mr. Schirick 再次交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . .3435\n15 JOCELYN REYES（乔斯林·雷耶斯）\n16 由 Ms. Murray（默里女士）直接主询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3436\n17 由 Mr. Schirick 交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .3459\n18 由 Ms. Murray 再次直接询问 . . . . . . . . . . . .3472\n19 由 Mr. Schirick 再次交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . .3473\n20 JACOB HINZ（雅各布·欣茨）\n21 由 Mr. Horton 直接主询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3474\n22 由 Ms. Shroff 交叉询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3511\n23 GABRIELLA LUCIANO（加布里埃拉·卢西亚诺）\n24 由 Ms. Murray 直接主询问 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3533\n25 政府方物证\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.（南区速记员专业法团）\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 物证编号 采纳页码\n2 WA1-WA12、WA14-WA68、WA69-WA79，. . . . . . .3305\n3 WA83-WA85、WA89-WA92、\n4 WA95-WA115、WA123、WA124，以及\n5 WA126-WA135\n6 MSS87、MSS88、FAN1、FAN2、MET19，以及 . . . .3439\n7 MET27\n8 UK-1 至 UK-417、UK-700 至 . . . . .3480\n9 UK-777\n10 W1058、W1058A、W1058-V . . . . . . . . . . .3494\n11 NJ-7、NJ-12、NJ-14、NJ-15、NJ-22 . . . . . .3537\n12 至 NJ-26、NJ-32 至\n13 NJ-37、NJ-40 至 NJ-42、\n14 NJ-44 至 NJ-45、NJ-53、\n15 NJ-55、NJ-58 至 NJ-61、\n16 NJ-85、NJ-94、NJ-95 至\n17 NJ-106、NJ-111、NJ-112、\n18 NJ-114、NJ-116 至 NJ-117、\n19 NJ-120、NJ-121、NJ-125、\n20 NJ-127、NJ-135 至 NJ-147、\n21 NJ-149、NJ-151、NJ-153 至\n22 NJ-157、NJ-160、NJ-172、NJ-175\n23 至 NJ-177、NJ-181、NJ-184\n24 至 NJ-187、NJ-189、\n25 NJ-190、NJ-198 至 NJ-199、\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 NJ-201 至 NJ-207、NJ-209\n2 至 NJ-210、NJ-214 至\n3 NJ-215、NJ-221 至 NJ-225、\n4 NJ-228、NJ-230、NJ-233、\n5 NJ-246、NJ-249 至 NJ-250、\n6 NJ-254 至 NJ-259、NJ-265、\n7 NJ-267、NJ-271 至 NJ-276、\n8 NJ-283 至 NJ-286、NJ-289\n9 至 NJ-294、NJ-314、\n10 NJ-315、NJ-324、NJ-335、\n11 NJ-336、NJ-338、NJ-341 至\n12 NJ-349、NJ-354、NJ-356、\n13 NJ-357、NJ-607 至 NJ-612、\n14 NJ-662、NJ-669、NJ-745、NJ-798\n15 以及 NJ-800、NJ-807 和 NJ-808\n16 Stip 4（约定事项 4）. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3304\n17 Stip-5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3535\n18 Z14 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3440\n19 Stipulation 18（约定事项 18）. . . . . . . . . . . . . .3479\n20 Stip 18 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3480\n21 Z-20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3482\n22 Z-21 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3486\n23 Z22 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3503\n24 Z23 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3507\n25 Z24 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3504\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300\n\n1 Z25 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3495\n2 BR445 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3439\n3 被告方物证\n4 物证编号 采纳页码\n5 7005 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3338\n6 112、113、114、115、116、117、118、119，. 3372、\n7 120、121、122、123、124 以及\n8 125\n\nSOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.\n(212) 805-0300","key_entities":[],"ecf_references":[],"word_count":60648,"status":"published","published_at":"2024-07-23 00:00:00","created_at":"2024-07-23","updated_at":"2026-08-23 08:52:56"}