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和特务们埋葬 老郭出来再搞新的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe9e18441382d1980f25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"q66be6b9b6abee2d1c4a8","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1002,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-30T15:41:04.133Z","text":"搞不好最后nfsc就是解散","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66be6b9b6abee2d1c4a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"q08b2cc8bc6b9530e2996","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1003,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-05-30T15:41:25.805Z","text":"我觉得很有可能就是解散再搞新的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66be6b9b6abee2d1c4a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08b2cc8bc6b9530e2996","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66be6b9b6abee2d1c4a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"qf9378b4da7c8cb199631","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1004,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-30T15:42:03.715Z","text":"本来郭的预想是Nfsc成为海外的监督机构，监督国内民主化的，就像在美犹太人那种群体","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9378b4da7c8cb199631","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"q0e112b83fade9c4a4db4","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1005,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-30T15:42:27.258Z","text":"不知道以后能不能实现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e112b83fade9c4a4db4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"q2b1a4f8ff3372bca08a0","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1006,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-05-30T15:42:43.451Z","text":"这个没了搞新的就可以了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b1a4f8ff3372bca08a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"qb80c8b350a8fade5f905","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1007,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-05-30T15:42:44.970Z","text":"很简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb80c8b350a8fade5f905","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"qed98dbf1dbf456b0233b","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1008,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-30T15:42:52.447Z","text":"中国人没有犹太人那种精神","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed98dbf1dbf456b0233b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"q96d8ad398e1dae24725f","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1009,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-05-30T15:59:37.527Z","text":"郭要是等政治解套，他就不用换律师了，直接等死不就完了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96d8ad398e1dae24725f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000005"},{"id":"q57e081dfff94b337c084","batch_id":"batch-000005","seq":1010,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-05-30T16:07:15.536Z","text":"对的 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