{"id":"batch-000013","number":13,"revision":1,"date_start":"2025-07-07T15:57:56.455Z","date_end":"2025-07-11T14:03:35.335Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 013 (Jul 7, 2025 – Jul 11, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debate the trial trajectory, impending sentencing, appeal strategies, and bankruptcy restructuring claims in Guo's legal proceedings, arguing over conspiracy determinations and alleged fraudulent claims. Bitter internal divisions surface regarding farm loan refunds, token-related emails, and prominent movement figures, with members disputing whether Guo engineered a calculated deception or an intentional Zen-style psychological test. Commentators also evaluate Gettr's status, external ties with Steve Bannon, and personal border-crossing risks.","guide_en":[{"title":"Discussion of Sentencing Expectations, Release Timelines, and Ineffective Assistance of Counsel Appeals in the Guo Case","description":"Participants argue about potential judicial sentencing outcomes, prospective overturned convictions, and appellate defense theories.","message_ids":["q091f077f0a596a3ddc0d","q2347a33d7030fd2b9721","q8fc77a58cd7f6df13b94"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q091f077f0a596a3ddc0d","summary_en":"chu*** contends that sentencing will fail because the legal case contains glaring flaws that professional attorneys cannot ignore."},{"message_id":"q2347a33d7030fd2b9721","summary_en":"nev*** argues that Guo seeks political influence and systemic judicial cleansing rather than a rapid legal resolution while the CCP remains in power."},{"message_id":"q8fc77a58cd7f6df13b94","summary_en":"chu*** contends that Judge Torres could directly 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continues visiting Guo."}]},{"title":"Analyses of the Bankruptcy Trustee's Role, Creditor Registration, and Fraudulent Claim Scrutiny","description":"Participants analyze the bankruptcy trustee's handling of creditor claims and scrutinize potentially fabricated submissions.","message_ids":["q4208854af12f5d9e3b0b","q7d43fc868b6a1d973e7b","q23c367b98f99d8cccabd"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4208854af12f5d9e3b0b","summary_en":"sar*** describes understanding the Alliance's role while questioning whether bankruptcy trustee Luc is actually collaborating with Guo."},{"message_id":"q7d43fc868b6a1d973e7b","summary_en":"ntp*** contends that Luc knowingly accepted fraudulent creditor claims registered at inflated multipliers."},{"message_id":"q23c367b98f99d8cccabd","summary_en":"ntp*** recalls Guo's broadcast stating that hesitant movement investors would register only after Luc accepted inflated claims."}]},{"title":"Reflections on Guo Wengui's Methods, the \"Zen Trap\" Framework, and Cognitive 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refunds."},{"message_id":"qa44b8d3584ee3561d735","summary_en":"hon*** contends that Guo easily manipulated followers in broadcasts and argues only fools continue following them blindly."},{"message_id":"qf70a8518d9994c80b664","summary_en":"lon*** asks whether refunds are being disbursed directly to individuals or must be routed through funds or corporate entities."}]},{"title":"Re-evaluating Farm Leaders, Online Influencers, and Historical Reflections from the VOG Period","description":"Participants share material and inquire about legal motions and past controversies involving prominent movement figures.","message_ids":["qf6eba5418d30767b2334","qc71b6b0709f480f58bce","q01f8f31eafcfff718a1a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf6eba5418d30767b2334","summary_en":"hon*** shares an external social media post concerning movement figures."},{"message_id":"qc71b6b0709f480f58bce","summary_en":"rui*** asks whether Zhu Beibei filed an emergency motion."},{"message_id":"q01f8f31eafcfff718a1a","summary_en":"hon*** shares another external post concerning historical movement controversies."}]},{"title":"Speculation Regarding Case-Related Token Emails, the \"Anti-Whistleblower Team,\" and Regime Dynamics","description":"Participants discuss intercepted emails, sentencing enhancements, and the influence of opposing groups.","message_ids":["qc12338181fbe1fffbe92","q7f722d470d49b5281d29","q8db2e722c2942782529a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc12338181fbe1fffbe92","summary_en":"rui*** contends that authorities originally intended to increase Guo's sentence."},{"message_id":"q7f722d470d49b5281d29","summary_en":"ntp*** argues that understanding the situation changes little, comparing efforts to ineffective interventions."},{"message_id":"q8db2e722c2942782529a","summary_en":"rui*** asserts that their own email exposure disrupted the plan."}]},{"title":"Discussions of Gettr's Operational Status, Steve Bannon's Stance, and Twitter Reporting 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trajectories.","message_ids":["q6b8ea2003a003f9bc8f1","q4c4f3b29753734750bdc","q5a141651c5c8e84ae224"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6b8ea2003a003f9bc8f1","summary_en":"hon*** mocks an associate for attempting to renege on an earlier pledge to follow the anti-communist campaign."},{"message_id":"q4c4f3b29753734750bdc","summary_en":"rui*** contends that this pattern definitively proves Guo constructed an intentional Zen-style trap."},{"message_id":"q5a141651c5c8e84ae224","summary_en":"rui*** compares these followers to the tragic character Liu Bing from the drama Tiandao."}]},{"title":"Exchange of Experiences Concerning Travel Safety and Border Risks for Foreign Passport Holders Returning to China","description":"Participants recount personal experiences and assess detention risks for naturalized foreign citizens traveling to China.","message_ids":["q86b7f54a91255d23d916","q46bf700dffc02edbf8ae","q53048af991db47f7dbf9"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q86b7f54a91255d23d916","summary_en":"lon*** recounts that naturalized foreign passport holders generally face no border issues returning to China, whereas non-citizens risk detention."},{"message_id":"q46bf700dffc02edbf8ae","summary_en":"lon*** describes remaining in touch with former acquaintances from the VOG period who willingly share their experiences."},{"message_id":"q53048af991db47f7dbf9","summary_en":"rui*** asks for clarification regarding lon***'s 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再纠结什么战友 伪类 已经毫无意义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f2227ff83af6945c5bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d29d8cdf482514403d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2227ff83af6945c5bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qdf7ceb3271cb598f689c","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":406,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:04:54.606Z","text":"315后 没有战友 没有伪类","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf7ceb3271cb598f689c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q07b8456bb704cd1be0ef","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":407,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:05:18.428Z","text":"那你这句话就矛盾了，对吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4d8cb2aaa00584a7d96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07b8456bb704cd1be0ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4d8cb2aaa00584a7d96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q11e6508657cda24467e5","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":408,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:05:52.512Z","text":"我的意思是 你的类别 按照传统意义上分类 是伪类","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11e6508657cda24467e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qff7f3e79b576560b99ac","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":409,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:06:01.783Z","text":"按照315之后的分类就无意义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff7f3e79b576560b99ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qe448315292c41e9c09d9","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":410,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:06:18.993Z","text":"哦，好的。你的类别对我来说，永远是，真战友，这是我的定义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe448315292c41e9c09d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qc92b58cb55a7b8b97904","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":411,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:06:31.702Z","text":"这个群里我相信大部分忙前忙后的人，都是。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc92b58cb55a7b8b97904","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q83939c0173f9b8bac99b","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":412,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:06:44.311Z","text":"你见过真战友像我这样满口喷粪的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe448315292c41e9c09d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83939c0173f9b8bac99b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe448315292c41e9c09d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qeb281eeca831139f6cfc","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":413,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:06:56.407Z","text":"开个玩笑讲，刚才我第一条留言，那个给我点赞的，你们可得小心点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb281eeca831139f6cfc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q98ec0815ab4feb793c4a","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":414,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:07:11.048Z","text":"真战友不太可能给我点赞。当然如果误伤了，我道歉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98ec0815ab4feb793c4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qa0e3637df6ca6b4cc031","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":415,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:07:44.922Z","text":"真战友与否看得是他的内在逻辑和立场，任何语言包装都无任何意义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83939c0173f9b8bac99b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0e3637df6ca6b4cc031","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83939c0173f9b8bac99b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qc21494ebbed3aa5dd6eb","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":416,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:08:19.050Z","text":"青藤成天谦谦君子的维持假象，有何意义呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc21494ebbed3aa5dd6eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q7a1f5111f3e0c323ce9e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":417,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:09:10.421Z","text":"螺丝哥这种，绝对的真战友，天真刻苦，忠于信念","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a1f5111f3e0c323ce9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q548caecafe7b1d68ff59","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":418,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:09:52.498Z","text":"我早就把联盟里的所有人都辱骂了至少一次","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q548caecafe7b1d68ff59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qc4d3725c4b199e359f31","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":419,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:09:56.437Z","text":"我挺佩服，某种程度上。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4d3725c4b199e359f31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb02957cd5353bc07b84f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":420,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:10:13.706Z","text":"现在贴什么战友 伪类的标签根本没有意义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb02957cd5353bc07b84f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q14c6724e5534f1df870a","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":421,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:10:32.226Z","text":"我说你是伪类 只是传统意义上的 便于分类","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14c6724e5534f1df870a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q0dd31a86db0d87a6299d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":422,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:10:40.890Z","text":"但这个分类在现实中已经失去了意义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dd31a86db0d87a6299d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q14d131d3f5440fd3472a","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":423,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:10:47.062Z","text":"战友 反倒是一个贬义词","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14d131d3f5440fd3472a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q39ce95039bd34238286a","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":424,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:11:36.895Z","text":"战友这个词跟伪类一样，没有明确的定义。对我来说，至少得加一个“真”字区别，郭本人的说法最传神，“最后的百分之五”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39ce95039bd34238286a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q6f9074d71f8471a7337f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":425,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:11:51.466Z","text":"他确实是个邪恶的天才。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f9074d71f8471a7337f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd71b4413ea6ff90f4e6f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":426,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:12:00.256Z","text":"天才这方面，没得说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd71b4413ea6ff90f4e6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qf2ae97f140852d21cf5d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":427,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:12:28.519Z","text":"郭玩的是禅宗 神魔一体","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f9074d71f8471a7337f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2ae97f140852d21cf5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f9074d71f8471a7337f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q21429338e90966ecf340","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":428,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:12:50.678Z","text":"我说实话，我真的不知道什么是“伪类”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21429338e90966ecf340","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q045d951bdc00e0a0d73a","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":429,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:13:14.982Z","text":"315前 砸郭 砸联盟是伪类","edited":false,"reply_to":"q21429338e90966ecf340","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q045d951bdc00e0a0d73a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21429338e90966ecf340","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q47d1981338fe02819410","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":430,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:13:15.525Z","text":"我只看是不是中共方利益者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47d1981338fe02819410","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q5e99fe92f564056ced63","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":431,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:13:26.308Z","text":"这个你很难说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47d1981338fe02819410","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e99fe92f564056ced63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47d1981338fe02819410","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q54b69bc0ed96d30dc4ef","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":432,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:13:29.532Z","text":"谁都有可能是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54b69bc0ed96d30dc4ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qbc7bd19255f3ad2ef0ef","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":433,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:13:32.673Z","text":"谁都有可能不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc7bd19255f3ad2ef0ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2f54babc9c3c55ba4553","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":434,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:13:34.539Z","text":"喜国自身对“伪类”有特殊的定义，我个人只是看中共利益与否","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f54babc9c3c55ba4553","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8da9738400aaf54b5c88","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":435,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:13:47.876Z","text":"所以每个人都是量子态","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8da9738400aaf54b5c88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qbedcd429370ccb77c73e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":436,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:14:00.855Z","text":"嗯。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbedcd429370ccb77c73e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q0b0379d2805040d5daef","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":437,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:14:20.541Z","text":"那我不放问一句，有没有可能你有天会发现，郭那套确实是骗局？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b0379d2805040d5daef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q40af43b99e355e53eac1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":438,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:14:42.737Z","text":"这样说不太妥，我换一种思维实验，你尝试回复下：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40af43b99e355e53eac1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qae1b2dc7fd8c50c9ed78","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":439,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:14:50.738Z","text":"我说了 郭玩的是禅宗 禅宗局 你自己是骗子 那这个就是骗局","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b0379d2805040d5daef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae1b2dc7fd8c50c9ed78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b0379d2805040d5daef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q894ba3be73533c25bf2d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":440,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:15:07.144Z","text":"丁元英是不是骗子？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q894ba3be73533c25bf2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8804037a64f6825f08f8","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":441,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:15:17.963Z","text":"在叶晓明等人看来 他就是一个彻头彻尾的骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8804037a64f6825f08f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q32e78db6639289f59943","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":442,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:15:30.945Z","text":"比如从纯逻辑上讲，不谈具体事情，抽象说，你现在相信郭的理念，一定是出于对他先前的某些了解，让你确信了他的可信性对吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32e78db6639289f59943","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q0e3c70627fd569911dfe","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":443,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:15:37.149Z","text":"但在欧阳雪 韩楚生等人看来 丁元英就是神","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e3c70627fd569911dfe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q25c649b2196301405fd3","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":444,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:15:47.579Z","text":"对吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q32e78db6639289f59943","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25c649b2196301405fd3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32e78db6639289f59943","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd4b483fbcce36fca8717","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":445,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:16:11.858Z","text":"我相信郭的理念 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就太狭隘了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa73940b60d96879ba441","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qf6a795c934573a63f756","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":454,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:17:56.674Z","text":"你应该去看一下天道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6a795c934573a63f756","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qbe830ff4cbcdaa7e9115","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":455,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:18:14.055Z","text":"禅宗局 你是什么人 你在局里就是什么结局","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe830ff4cbcdaa7e9115","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qf31a581d7a3ae1107104","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":456,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:18:27.127Z","text":"你是骗子 那你跟着郭 郭就骗你钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf31a581d7a3ae1107104","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd046e42357c9178509bd","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":457,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:18:29.392Z","text":"就这么简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd046e42357c9178509bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qa54285c5f73d41e481c8","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":458,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:18:47.614Z","text":"你是灭共者 你跟着郭 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那郭就骗你钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf771dd6b090d0afb0800","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd0235a07dc6e701c1c6e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":464,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:20:12.406Z","text":"你想弄死郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0235a07dc6e701c1c6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q698ca8fcec97d0749d54","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":465,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:20:18.310Z","text":"郭先弄死你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q698ca8fcec97d0749d54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qf2699b46f944e685b5a7","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":466,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-09T07:20:26.704Z","text":"还有那个[删节：成员身份]，都是大直播露脸的人物，突然就没声了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q64e198f5e61101e341b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2699b46f944e685b5a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e198f5e61101e341b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q5fa11726c3701eb72eb8","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":467,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:20:29.049Z","text":"哪个想弄死他的人 没被弄死？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fa11726c3701eb72eb8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":468,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:21:23.894Z","text":"我给每个扪心自问是真战友的（搅局的不要回答谢谢没意义）都问下这个问题：究竟发生什么事，会让你认为，郭这一切其实是骗局？ 比如我打个极端的超自然比方，耶稣降临到你面前，说郭确实是骗子，那你肯定要相信了；撇开这种超自然的，有没有什么切实的标的事件，能让你相信你之前对郭的核心理解是错的？重申：这是纯假设意义上的思维实验，不要去考虑你认为的这个事件发生的可能性。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qcd534dd0e1f0adb3bbcc","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":469,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:21:53.097Z","text":"瑞恩这种思路就不用回答了。别人肯定又不一样的想法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd534dd0e1f0adb3bbcc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd9dafd71f62095caeea3","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":470,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:22:06.779Z","text":"我说了 你这么问 没有意义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9dafd71f62095caeea3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8c18b876a2c15b42c145","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":471,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:22:26.899Z","text":"没有意义，我个人闲趣、好奇","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c18b876a2c15b42c145","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q9396a85bd41792c6d395","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":472,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:22:34.434Z","text":"如果是狭义的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9396a85bd41792c6d395","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb70ca86af0b9a35a9bf2","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":473,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:22:42.136Z","text":"那郭已经证明他是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb70ca86af0b9a35a9bf2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q93a1a5495005d2f8bb41","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":474,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:23:02.949Z","text":"有愿意回答的，可以答疑下，我就是想看看不同人的见解。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93a1a5495005d2f8bb41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q10246028e91cafd865de","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":475,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:23:06.752Z","text":"疫苗这一点 他的贡献远比耶稣更大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10246028e91cafd865de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qfaec3eb0aaf728bb31ee","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":476,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:23:13.137Z","text":"耶稣救了多少人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaec3eb0aaf728bb31ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q391552513cf622c24753","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":477,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:23:29.380Z","text":"他影响了多少 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你这么问 没有意义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q93a1a5495005d2f8bb41","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13c0304580651acd46ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93a1a5495005d2f8bb41","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qa32c923880f2f442a1f7","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":484,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:25:21.816Z","text":"很多事实已经摆在面前","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa32c923880f2f442a1f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb7de3ebe534698370366","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":485,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:25:43.354Z","text":"正在发展的事情 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zci***］ 你看看吧","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea19ab28c1671fcb7da8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2a178db5a9684102d6e9","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":498,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:32:45.598Z","text":"他已经透底了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a178db5a9684102d6e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qa48194a9186ad3b03cb8","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":499,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:32:48.849Z","text":"他整个理论体系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa48194a9186ad3b03cb8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qc2c9cfd3cbf8cd2c0286","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":500,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:32:54.586Z","text":"打法套路","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2c9cfd3cbf8cd2c0286","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qdf52bbe279fc2eb39012","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":501,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:32:56.811Z","text":"全都是禅宗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf52bbe279fc2eb39012","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8b5883dad54a863090ae","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":502,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:33:05.517Z","text":"然而禅宗几个人能懂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b5883dad54a863090ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":503,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:33:29.154Z","text":"包括螺丝哥（虽然可能不会想回复这些无聊的问题），既然如此遵循法庭的命令等，我也想知道到底发生什么能让他全然相信郭本身是骗局主谋，比如法庭量刑出来彻底定罪后，会相信吗？还是正式服刑期间上诉被驳回后，就相信？还是怎么样，毕竟包括那些终身监禁的杀人犯在内，他们始终在法理上几乎永远都存在被赦免的理论可能（只是切实不会发生，法官和美国相关权限执政官员不是傻子），这是美国法律的人性之处使然，难道这个体制本身的理论可能只要存在，就相信郭绝对是无辜的？应该不至于得出这么荒唐的逻辑吧...所以到底是什么，发生什么标志事件会让螺丝哥确信，郭确实是骗子，我真的很好奇，螺丝哥应该不会像瑞恩用这套禅宗逻辑看问题，恐怕有自己独特的想法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36d75480d7ff3dd8347b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q4431589432470ad77d71","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":504,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:35:38.093Z","text":"低层次的人 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当然是骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43adcd2d179baef37ee6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8416236227fd702c3146","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":506,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:36:23.525Z","text":"然而郭只是幻化成了你的贪成痴慢疑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8416236227fd702c3146","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q48db0dca8d2fa896db30","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":507,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:36:35.027Z","text":"是你的七情六欲 骗了你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48db0dca8d2fa896db30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8b82bce40cc1e9a278f4","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":508,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:36:38.987Z","text":"这就是禅宗局","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b82bce40cc1e9a278f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qfd6186279e4d84ef79e7","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":509,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:36:55.577Z","text":"你是什么人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd6186279e4d84ef79e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd10fa35ab4d95389b0b0","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":510,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:36:58.975Z","text":"郭就变成什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd10fa35ab4d95389b0b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qf6d93e20d57a9533431e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":511,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T07:39:18.039Z","text":"一句话： 只有你自己是骗子 你才会认为郭是骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6d93e20d57a9533431e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q091f077f0a596a3ddc0d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":512,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T07:50:38.462Z","text":"有我在，法庭就不可能量刑成功！这个案子，漏洞太多！连我不懂法律，都能发现这么多问题。专业律师看到我提出的漏洞，你觉得老郭律师会眼睁睁看着法官量刑成功啊？你要是律师，你会错过这个名垂青史的机会啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q091f077f0a596a3ddc0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53493c4c78b3c1c3528f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q11d94b9ca8286eae03a9","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":513,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T07:53:25.171Z","text":"好的，这我没意见，支持任何出于真心的行为；我想问的是，假如，注意，仅仅是假如，您的计划没有如期兑现，您会改变对郭本身的想法吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q091f077f0a596a3ddc0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d94b9ca8286eae03a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q091f077f0a596a3ddc0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q83e978e2037e7e98075d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":514,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T08:04:04.512Z","text":"没有假如！但凡你说的有可能，我会冒险上庭啊？我在国内，在山东！我冒险，至少能看到回报才可以啊！冒着脑袋瓜子搬家的风险，为了一个小骗子啊？如果郭文贵是诈骗犯，我吃饱了撑的介入案件啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11d94b9ca8286eae03a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83e978e2037e7e98075d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d94b9ca8286eae03a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q9c3b4487f2203fd56533","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":515,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:06:18.875Z","text":"首先，老乡好；您觉得郭还需要几年才能出来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83e978e2037e7e98075d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c3b4487f2203fd56533","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83e978e2037e7e98075d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8fc77a58cd7f6df13b94","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":516,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T08:07:12.917Z","text":"如果顺利，托雷斯就直接推翻案件！看看托雷斯能坚持多久吧！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c3b4487f2203fd56533","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fc77a58cd7f6df13b94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c3b4487f2203fd56533","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q1aa7a7ecfc83b46a3abf","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":517,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:07:30.156Z","text":"大概多久，你的极限预估？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aa7a7ecfc83b46a3abf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q23f24dcbe289a549819f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":518,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T08:09:08.117Z","text":"即使托雷斯给老郭定罪。上诉，我不懂，但是，我认为，上诉流程会比地区法院快的多！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1aa7a7ecfc83b46a3abf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23f24dcbe289a549819f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aa7a7ecfc83b46a3abf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q10996fe08d8ac5844203","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":519,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:09:26.855Z","text":"这一点我和螺丝哥观点不一致 他觉得立马应该推翻 而我认为 托雷斯会负隅顽抗 最终应该上诉和政治解决双线进行 明年应该是翻案时间点","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8fc77a58cd7f6df13b94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10996fe08d8ac5844203","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fc77a58cd7f6df13b94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q3dd8e735c415630dda3e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":520,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:09:29.719Z","text":"两年？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dd8e735c415630dda3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q6bafa84f4009a5cb3cb4","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":521,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T08:09:34.525Z","text":"我认为，大概率，今年之内，老郭会出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bafa84f4009a5cb3cb4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q1d87cb78183906abc706","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":522,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:09:41.662Z","text":"我认为上诉的话两年内","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3dd8e735c415630dda3e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d87cb78183906abc706","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dd8e735c415630dda3e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q488b24cd1fb33658c53f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":523,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:09:42.504Z","text":"小概率呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q488b24cd1fb33658c53f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q69eafb122955f1adacfe","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":524,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:09:49.068Z","text":"至多几年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69eafb122955f1adacfe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qbf34cd163ad88198a042","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":525,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:10:01.494Z","text":"老郭这个案子 是不可能坐铁案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf34cd163ad88198a042","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q22c7212f31c9d4e8f7a1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":526,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:10:09.378Z","text":"最坏结果 就算上诉都失败","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22c7212f31c9d4e8f7a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qcd11fdeb073bc7818214","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":527,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:10:18.234Z","text":"川普肯定会介入赦免","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd11fdeb073bc7818214","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q0e6d67b2bc0501790d18","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":528,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:11:04.608Z","text":"老郭这个案子如果被定成铁案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e6d67b2bc0501790d18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q17a00dbc004a7d146246","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":529,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-09T08:11:06.734Z","text":"［用户 zci***］ 这个家伙句句挖坑，这是领了任务来这取证的吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17a00dbc004a7d146246","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q48aee3e8f4ee096315b1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":530,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:11:16.056Z","text":"川普都不会答应","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48aee3e8f4ee096315b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q77730e3c5799279cfa10","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":531,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:12:00.430Z","text":"拜托，我不是战友，我是反郭的 你看看我和瑞恩的上下文","edited":false,"reply_to":"q896a1d0428028e3eb6b2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77730e3c5799279cfa10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q6d5dc53196f0bf25fbfd","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":532,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:12:07.937Z","text":"我挖什么坑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d5dc53196f0bf25fbfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd2aed554741dc28004f9","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":533,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:12:18.290Z","text":"本来我就是反郭的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2aed554741dc28004f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q5d40244469f9363ff566","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":534,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:12:31.618Z","text":"你反郭应该反联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2aed554741dc28004f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d40244469f9363ff566","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2aed554741dc28004f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q69e41c36a99313f7fa96","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":535,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:12:39.363Z","text":"怎么联盟变成郭托孤了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e41c36a99313f7fa96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q6d3fe0a0e4ec28314205","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":536,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:13:01.313Z","text":"你读一下上下文好吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69e41c36a99313f7fa96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d3fe0a0e4ec28314205","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e41c36a99313f7fa96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb2dfc92291b391d73bbc","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":537,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-09T08:13:20.264Z","text":"你到这里来反郭吗？我们只接受事实证据，别拿你的学识来压人，这里牛人也不少","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77730e3c5799279cfa10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2dfc92291b391d73bbc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77730e3c5799279cfa10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qeb4eb8949372e35a554c","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":538,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:13:48.134Z","text":"咱们这个群 就是砸郭的也欢迎","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2dfc92291b391d73bbc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb4eb8949372e35a554c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2dfc92291b391d73bbc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q408c6e8f493ede048f7d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":539,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:14:18.714Z","text":"我只是想了解下战友的想法，作为闲趣。你要是觉得我能取证，无需回复即可，虽然我不知道取这些证意义是什么。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2dfc92291b391d73bbc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q408c6e8f493ede048f7d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2dfc92291b391d73bbc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2e4e4018bf76612116f7","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":540,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:14:39.786Z","text":"喜国战友确实奇思妙想多，这我很欣慰","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4e4018bf76612116f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qf965871d16dff63f0938","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":541,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-09T08:14:48.993Z","text":"砸可以，但得有理有据，让人无话可说才行","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb4eb8949372e35a554c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf965871d16dff63f0938","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb4eb8949372e35a554c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q422a8d5e791ed0867157","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":542,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:15:17.781Z","text":"灭爆组、联盟洗地、挖坑取证。等等不知道还有没有人能分析出第四种意图","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q422a8d5e791ed0867157","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q3516f5c5832f4e08ea01","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":543,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:15:56.140Z","text":"［用户 zci***］  来 我直接问你 你觉得我们这样不能翻案吗 理由是什么？法官对重大程序不正义视而不见？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3516f5c5832f4e08ea01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd47c469bbf95606b86c1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":544,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-09T08:16:02.636Z","text":"事实在你嘴里成了意图了，你不要这么着急露马脚","edited":false,"reply_to":"q422a8d5e791ed0867157","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd47c469bbf95606b86c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q422a8d5e791ed0867157","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qc3688b64ab9f2745e535","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":545,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:16:05.333Z","text":"不砸，放心吧。我有一句话在劝你们回心转意吗？完全不争议，恰恰相反，我支持所有真战友坚持自己的信念。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf965871d16dff63f0938","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3688b64ab9f2745e535","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf965871d16dff63f0938","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q72d5b5836e0521c810e3","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":546,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-09T08:16:22.875Z","text":"第一句就是错的😂 这智商。。我那天就说他智商低 😂 你们还跟他废话这么多","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1c08fb7479e31434a9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72d5b5836e0521c810e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1c08fb7479e31434a9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qda66cdd24d658b57d440","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":547,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:17:05.435Z","text":"天，我露马脚。你的意思我实际上是战友伪装成敌人？想通过和你们真战友的矛盾来深入敌后吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd47c469bbf95606b86c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda66cdd24d658b57d440","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd47c469bbf95606b86c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2a9f22c72cf368041c66","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":548,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:17:33.842Z","text":"我都明说自己不是战友了，何谈漏马脚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a9f22c72cf368041c66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8b0ca006cdd933331362","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":549,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:18:06.571Z","text":"这种“高智商”策略，只有瑞恩能做出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda66cdd24d658b57d440","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b0ca006cdd933331362","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda66cdd24d658b57d440","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2bed375e4a8a042fafe5","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":550,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:19:12.074Z","text":"别谈我了，没意义，我是你们眼中的要么坏人，要么傻子，无所谓；总之你们大致应该觉得今年会出来吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bed375e4a8a042fafe5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q798507abd25cbf93a79f","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":551,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:19:41.736Z","text":"螺丝哥认为今年 我认为两年内","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2bed375e4a8a042fafe5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q798507abd25cbf93a79f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bed375e4a8a042fafe5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q9900d6a104ea2c50be99","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":552,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T08:21:19.884Z","text":"好的，那我沉寂一阵，届时再来跟大家谈谈各位如果局面不如意、之后产生的新的见解和策略，再看看之后认为郭什么时候出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9900d6a104ea2c50be99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8cc1da14a15801c82492","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":553,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:22:21.704Z","text":"郭案是美国司法的最后一条底裤 如果郭案被定成铁案 川普搞的一切什么maga都是白扯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cc1da14a15801c82492","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q94aa0473e45849640268","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":554,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:23:10.258Z","text":"这是核心","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94aa0473e45849640268","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd0b8781f6a0166a05211","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":555,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:23:48.725Z","text":"美国最重要的战略资源 被定成铁案 那还搞个屁maga","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0b8781f6a0166a05211","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q39866461f7618bf2811b","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":556,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-09T08:28:05.975Z","text":"9.8号是不是也只是一个说词","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39866461f7618bf2811b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8bdcd59e3cb134a54ad5","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":557,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-09T08:28:31.417Z","text":"就是司法部是一个故意拖延的说词","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bdcd59e3cb134a54ad5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q48c2282841e32c43527c","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":558,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:28:44.374Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39866461f7618bf2811b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48c2282841e32c43527c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39866461f7618bf2811b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q9cc91409d3b7718c1fbc","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":559,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:28:56.821Z","text":"现在司法部 检方 不想拖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cc91409d3b7718c1fbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q71ed6fa2ddb718b84775","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":560,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:29:08.639Z","text":"他们想越快越好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71ed6fa2ddb718b84775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q9f1389a66f32009ce6b7","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":561,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-09T08:29:15.246Z","text":"那怎么关键时刻法官还休假","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f1389a66f32009ce6b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q1415ba99821500ffbcac","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":562,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-09T08:29:39.323Z","text":"我了解过这个休假","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1415ba99821500ffbcac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qdeb6dade61d73b8e9171","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":563,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:29:49.158Z","text":"休几天？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdeb6dade61d73b8e9171","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qbb9deefde9a703410d7d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":564,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-09T08:30:15.148Z","text":"两个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb9deefde9a703410d7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q1725b181f8abe8b9a390","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":565,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-09T08:30:32.780Z","text":"几号到几号？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb9deefde9a703410d7d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1725b181f8abe8b9a390","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb9deefde9a703410d7d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q5ffc69e33031f599528e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":566,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T09:31:36.971Z","text":"gtv无罪，去年九月甚至八月我就怀疑。一直以来，谁解读啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ffc69e33031f599528e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q518d1c49443f83d223f1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":567,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-09T10:40:47.512Z","text":"今天又给盖尔发了封邮件，告诉他再不撤销我就采取跟朱贝贝一样的行动了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q518d1c49443f83d223f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q3d3a89c66aa0dbaea2e7","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":568,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T12:53:49.578Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/1942930143548465325?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3a89c66aa0dbaea2e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q35e392c8f491d58f3300","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":569,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-09T13:57:00.788Z","text":"当初是怎么对骂半个月的 哈哈哈 好奇","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3d3a89c66aa0dbaea2e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35e392c8f491d58f3300","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3a89c66aa0dbaea2e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qe78bba72261f8b85cfe8","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":570,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T13:58:03.152Z","text":"https://x.com/ClintLeeset/status/1942944463225225476?s=33","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78bba72261f8b85cfe8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q72e0244c837a99d7100d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":571,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T13:59:11.578Z","text":"想刺激我去攻击习主席。做梦吧！我从来不攻击现在下午。我的目标非常明确。希望老郭赢，然后有机会草逼生孩子。和我扯习主席干什么啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72e0244c837a99d7100d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2b7aa7327282561b3f82","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":572,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-09T14:00:10.500Z","text":"我对习主席，毕恭毕敬，习主席是最伟大的k领导人，带领我走向共同富裕，然后我可以找个老娘们草逼生孩子，我为什么要攻击习主席啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b7aa7327282561b3f82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q618be5b99dd6f1a62bc1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":573,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-09T14:00:11.548Z","text":"对，干海外这群流氓，我们不能被他们代表","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q618be5b99dd6f1a62bc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qd6b4f6b76625a54b0c5e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":574,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T14:47:25.174Z","text":"［用户 zci***］ 你就是推特上的 clint lee？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6b4f6b76625a54b0c5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q1c32ea0b3e86580ce7c6","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":575,"speaker":"xia***","date":"2025-07-09T14:53:36.692Z","text":"刚刚我和这个clint lee 在推特骂一通","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c32ea0b3e86580ce7c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q1a35f8fb8a1550e57990","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":576,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T14:54:35.566Z","text":"这个 ［用户 zci***］ 就是 Clint Lee 吧, 那个让你骂习近平的人","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a35f8fb8a1550e57990","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q802e5e91da34f89c8a77","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":577,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T14:55:46.871Z","text":"［用户 zci***］ 螺丝哥已经在法庭文件上说他在郭案里不会攻击共产党。你没看法庭文件？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q802e5e91da34f89c8a77","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q69ac082d585d330bf341","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":578,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T14:59:13.958Z","text":"反正这个案子，现在连法官都说不考虑政治因素了，只能遵守法庭规定，除非以后他们解除这个规定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69ac082d585d330bf341","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q902b25b55b445d13e11c","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":579,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T14:59:45.610Z","text":"现在就把这个案子当经济案件看吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q902b25b55b445d13e11c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb53a5db57137f4610898","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":580,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:11:30.409Z","text":"不是...小兄弟？您螺丝先生攻击、不攻击共产党，跟我无半点关系，我也没有兴趣听他对中共本身的态度如何，你甩我这么句话何意？我都说了自己不是战友，也不劝你们任何真战友回心转意，我就是来观摩奇思妙想的，但请别把各位编织的阴谋里的每个链条思忖下能否和我这个迷之敌人发生串联，没意义，集中精力做营救郭的事。你看人螺丝就很清醒，就是全力吃透法律文件，搭救郭，习主席也无关，这是真战友该有的态度","edited":false,"reply_to":"q802e5e91da34f89c8a77","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb53a5db57137f4610898","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q802e5e91da34f89c8a77","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q00ccc4af7f595fdd8b7a","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":581,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T15:12:40.227Z","text":"那你还让螺丝骂习干什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb53a5db57137f4610898","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00ccc4af7f595fdd8b7a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb53a5db57137f4610898","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q46c8c54b28af492fc0a6","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":582,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:13:29.162Z","text":"你搜下记录，我哪句话映射或直接让他骂习了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46c8c54b28af492fc0a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q41fb78142e5f08878a15","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":583,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T15:13:53.592Z","text":"你不是推特上的clint lee吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46c8c54b28af492fc0a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41fb78142e5f08878a15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46c8c54b28af492fc0a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q62cf065c6b72e7ad04b2","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":584,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:13:54.751Z","text":"我来这里，就是就事论事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62cf065c6b72e7ad04b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q65049161785a5e5d007a","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":585,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:13:59.320Z","text":"谁？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65049161785a5e5d007a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2c3f0c74704ea0ba2bfb","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":586,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T15:16:06.905Z","text":"这个人不是你？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c3f0c74704ea0ba2bfb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qf528aa3048a80fba5436","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":587,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:17:49.181Z","text":"你觉得是我... 我猜是因为我们有一样的“不正常”认识和观点吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf528aa3048a80fba5436","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qe77603e8ada15779b152","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":588,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:17:54.416Z","text":"还是都是英文名？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77603e8ada15779b152","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q76d16966facbeb32b6e6","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":589,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T15:18:11.017Z","text":"所以Clint Lee不是你？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76d16966facbeb32b6e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q14b58a32e7144a521f45","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":590,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:18:11.448Z","text":"我们这种观点，在我这个世界，属于“常见”。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14b58a32e7144a521f45","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q932eab3d67668a5e2fae","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":591,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:18:49.498Z","text":"no.....但我说不是，想必你也不能信吧，伪类没有诚实可言","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q932eab3d67668a5e2fae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q2d839d0000c279832f5d","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":592,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T15:19:11.581Z","text":"哦，那我认错了，我还以为clint lee就是你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d839d0000c279832f5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qbbe4bc610509b2a1e503","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":593,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:19:17.135Z","text":"所以是不是，你自己看着权衡吧。但我绝对不会让螺丝去骂习主席，这对我毫无意义。我是来听奇思妙想的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbe4bc610509b2a1e503","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb81ef298bd45057c4942","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":594,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-09T15:20:05.112Z","text":"我判定这两个就是同一个人。被人扒皮，它自己不承认，两面三刀。它进本群快一个月了，这两天突然积极起来了。花了一个月的时间观察、想对策呀。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb81ef298bd45057c4942","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q8486f5876813d3704480","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":595,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:20:13.429Z","text":"既然艾特我了，多句嘴，你认为郭何时能出来？想听听不同观点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8486f5876813d3704480","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qe3192d9958f271d9b58e","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":596,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:20:52.035Z","text":"好吧好吧。我都说了我证明不了自己是谁，你认为我是谁都行，但我们就事论事，可以吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb81ef298bd45057c4942","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3192d9958f271d9b58e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb81ef298bd45057c4942","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb6537595c5d17032a20b","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":597,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:21:19.508Z","text":"如果我是他，但我不让螺丝骂习，那么是不是从事实意义上，我也“不是他了” 公允讲？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6537595c5d17032a20b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"q648db295ea39072174aa","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":598,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-09T15:30:50.692Z","text":"都喜欢说话莫名其妙的插英文，什么verdict，sentencing， 之类的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648db295ea39072174aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qb4663fcef8ec553260c1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":599,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:31:42.620Z","text":"还都喜欢acknowledge facts而不是spew conspiracy对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4663fcef8ec553260c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"},{"id":"qc279ca8cec313809c0d1","batch_id":"batch-000013","seq":600,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-09T15:34:31.145Z","text":"抱歉，我一般克制不打英文，刚才你提到了verdict什么的，故意打了一点。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc279ca8cec313809c0d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000013"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000012","next_batch_id":"batch-000014"}