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是法官说的，对，那就是他们私下已经承认是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41dcf76cfab64608e5f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf321a0d000e736493739","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":413,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-12T22:21:57.456Z","text":"这个不会错了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf321a0d000e736493739","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q71c2b2a2e97cc5a36de1","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":414,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-12T22:22:06.140Z","text":"他们戏演砸了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71c2b2a2e97cc5a36de1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q2d5fb3562ad92b0a9e47","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":415,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-12T22:22:44.682Z","text":"法官直接问有没有受害者发言，律师也说有一个受害者叫青藤","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d5fb3562ad92b0a9e47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qb7a3c3b80217b4fdbdfb","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":416,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-12T22:22:59.698Z","text":"所以一定是 检方介绍的时候 就说了是 受害人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41dcf76cfab64608e5f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7a3c3b80217b4fdbdfb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41dcf76cfab64608e5f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q085a10ef3dee070803e6","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":417,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-12T22:23:19.355Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q085a10ef3dee070803e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q133f8169b85e158a83a3","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":418,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-12T22:23:30.487Z","text":"perfect that’s what I’m 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就必须有： 受害人还是证人。不可能只是 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我可以一封动议打死他们所有人","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55f94e5543b1702af2e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q31091429d914e92fca27","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":470,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T00:06:36.227Z","text":"我想到了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31091429d914e92fca27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q6e1674eb04d82e3f5038","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":471,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T00:06:39.280Z","text":"而且合理合法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e1674eb04d82e3f5038","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qced6ec709b5c44e9c58c","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":472,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T00:18:29.623Z","text":"青藤 ava 是最好的例子： 受害者里面有共谋！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced6ec709b5c44e9c58c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q9a3cdafefbd278ef8f8f","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":473,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T00:26:51.687Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 青藤 ava 最大的问题 就是坐实了 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因为长岛这个人是写在文件里面的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bd56162247fa373ef0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q251f0b12bb753e91fb93","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":504,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T02:30:10.998Z","text":"问题是，托雷斯不听你的指挥呀。如果她不把青藤定义为共谋，我们该怎么办？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q072dcf27e83833231f87","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q251f0b12bb753e91fb93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q88e7f6fedd7b75eb23b9","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":505,"speaker":"202***","date":"2025-07-13T03:34:27.449Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p3n4p8a411a","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88e7f6fedd7b75eb23b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q40cac3c4981c98b1ab8c","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":506,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T03:53:28.016Z","text":"你的中文如果写得严谨一点，借助Grok 的翻评，几秒钟就出来了英语的完整表达，简直是绝了。连“有一个算一个”、“老郭”、“到时候我就上”这样的中文，Grok 都表达得很准确。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff40db51a3c932d2a986","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40cac3c4981c98b1ab8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q50785648391b0d558680","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":507,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-13T03:59:52.557Z","text":"直接说联盟农场就是共谋犯可能不准确。但是，说他们都是嫌疑共谋犯，这没有错","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50785648391b0d558680","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qb5be2d702ab853b31715","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":508,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-13T04:08:32.946Z","text":"尊敬的托雷斯法官，作为一名律师，我有权表达我的意见和看法。我强烈反对检察官511号文件中关于受害者的陈述！\n我再次请求法院特别允许我用普通人的语言表达我的诉求。\n至于谁是这起刑事案件的受害者，在郭文贵相关群体中仍然存在巨大分歧。我想强调的是，检察官提到的大多数受害者都是或曾经是郭文贵的支持者。这很简单。如果你不支持或曾经支持过郭文贵，你怎么能拿出自己的钱来支持郭文贵，或者参与郭文贵发起的公司实体的投资呢？反对郭文贵的人几乎不可能用自己的钱来支持郭文贵。当然，那些故意陷害郭文贵的人，可能会拿钱潜伏在郭文贵支持者的群体中参与投资，然后在合适的时机陷害郭文贵！检方的庭审文件，作为郭文贵群体的一员，我很负责任地说，检方关于受害者是谁、已知受害者还是未知受害者的所有陈述，到目前为止完全是模糊的！检方想向郭文贵群体以外的人表达，所有参与郭文贵实体的人都是潜在的受害者，但作为曾经是、现在仍然是郭文贵群体的一员，我仍然不知道检方庭审文件中提到的数千名受害者是谁！\n在案件审理之初，文件10，文件10-1，检方发起了设立受害者通知程序的动议，随后法院发布了设立受害者通知程序的命令。\n时间已经过去将近两年了。检方通过法律渠道收集了多少受害者数据？检方收集了多少？作为案件参与者，我认为\n我拥有最基本的知情权。\n这起刑事案件的受害者绝大多数是曾经支持过郭文贵，现在仍然支持郭文贵的追随者。这是最简单的逻辑，连小孩子都应该懂！\n然而，几年过去了，我问过所有曾经支持过郭文贵，现在不支持或反对郭文贵的人，以及一直支持郭文贵的人，\n没有人能100%地回答我，这几千人中究竟哪些是郭文贵的受害者！\n在整个法庭文件中，检方多次提到几千名受害者。然而，自从去年郭文贵被陪审团判定有罪后，我开始一点点地关注法庭文件。一开始我几乎什么都看不懂，但现在我能理解法庭文件中的一些逻辑了。我实在查不出检方所说的数千名受害者究竟是谁！\n曾经参与投资或资助郭文贵的支持者，以及一直支持郭文贵的支持者，数量始终有限。然而，两年过去了，在所有与郭文贵相关的社群中，我竟然没有找到任何人能够回答我检方所说的受害者究竟是谁！我只看到一些关于受害者是谁的猜测，因为我非常尊重法律，所以我说这是猜测，而不是结论。关于数千名受害者的可能性，我几乎问遍了所有能问到的人，只有两种可能的答案，而且都无法给出肯定的答案，因为检方自始至终都没有明确给出这数千名受害者是哪些人、哪些群体，而这起刑事案件的相关参与者也从未明确说明过，这些参与者就是这数千名受害者！\n现在，我将列举我所听说的数千名受害者的两种可能：\n1. 债权人登记\n2. 超过 5,000 名由 Geyer 代理的客户","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5be2d702ab853b31715","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q58c689c7b10a331714f0","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":509,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-13T04:09:04.210Z","text":"然而，在506号文件中，盖耶尔似乎已经明确告知检方，喜马拉雅交易所的5000多名客户并非检方的受害者，也不能像检方认为的那样被视为受害者！\n那么就只剩下债权人群体了！\n希望Luc能在这里给出一个明确的答案。这几千名债权人是郭文贵的受害者吗？请在看到我对检方的告发后，给我一个100%明确的答案！\n如果检方通过10号文件的程序，收集了数千名受害者，作为相关利害关系人，这几千名受害者想要拿走被扣押的财产，包括我的涉案资金，我有起码的知情权！\n希望检方能给出一个明确的答案，这几千名受害者是谁！或者说，法庭文件中提到的大约8000名受害者是谁！我想在这里明确一点，\n我在支持郭文贵的群里，包括在反对郭文贵的群里，找了半年多，都没找到确切的答案，\n那几千名受害者是谁！\n我在这里向所有曾经支持过郭文贵的，现在反对郭文贵的，以及一直支持郭文贵的，也就是所有跟郭文贵圈子有关系的人，提出一个请求。谁能告诉我，检察官无数次提到的受害者是谁！如果你们搞不清楚受害者是谁，我建议你们参考505号文件，亲自出庭干预动议，我们就能查出这几千名受害者是谁！\n这对我来说很不公平！对郭文贵的大多数追随者也不公平！我觉得对反对郭文贵的人也不公平。如果你认为自己是郭文贵的受害者，就必须按照10号文件提到的受害者通知程序进行登记！如果郭文贵诈骗了数千名受害者，你们都必须登记，必须对郭文贵严惩不贷！\n关于这数千名受害者是谁，我希望检察机关不要总是用我们普通人听不懂的法律语言。郭文贵创办的实体，大部分参与其中的人都是普通人，很多人不懂英文。两年过去了，检察机关从未明确表态这数千名受害者是谁。这对所有人都不公平！\n在没有明确这数千名受害者是谁，被告人也没有认罪的情况下，检察机关就要求尽快判处被告人有期徒刑。这对所有当事人都不公平，我强烈反对！\n关于涉嫌共犯，我还要说一句。 382号卷宗由检方发起，388号卷宗由法院确认。经过数年的调查，检方应该非常清楚谁是或谁可能是嫌疑共犯。如果检方轻易相信受害者的一封电子邮件，我实在无法理解检方是如何动用美国纳税人的钱来调查此案的。此外，我想告知检方，如果388号卷宗中列出的嫌疑共犯与检方提出的涉嫌共谋或其他内容有关，我将强烈反对或撤回向检方提出的动议。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58c689c7b10a331714f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q7c7bc888c69d2c0d0cd2","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":510,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-13T04:09:26.429Z","text":"文件513 ，用软件翻译回来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c7bc888c69d2c0d0cd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qbde170ef45e6eeff70c0","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":511,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T04:36:21.815Z","text":"是的 他们是案例，依据案例法 全部都判 共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":"qced6ec709b5c44e9c58c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbde170ef45e6eeff70c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qced6ec709b5c44e9c58c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qda89a3f2b7c50b81adf3","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":512,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T04:37:45.066Z","text":"买馍馍币的 可以去 起诉他们 诈骗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf523103b903384424764","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda89a3f2b7c50b81adf3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf523103b903384424764","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qb75d44adcd3f7d466113","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":513,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T04:40:58.509Z","text":"所有农场 诈骗？   文件有没有具体列出农场名？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2110caaa9063e5b1e7c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb75d44adcd3f7d466113","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2110caaa9063e5b1e7c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q7feeb1cbbc5108370fab","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":514,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T04:43:21.369Z","text":"骂郭的 去把钱 退走，不就是 老郭想要的清理 投资人吗 😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64f4645e32a4e3e61af8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7feeb1cbbc5108370fab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64f4645e32a4e3e61af8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q7a08ea59946d69c0e981","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":515,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T04:48:39.258Z","text":"老郭叫 皮匠把法农 解散了，青藤 又叫她恢复了。 只要出问题的农场 老郭都叫他们解散了啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57d95adc2bf26e6e1e4b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a08ea59946d69c0e981","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57d95adc2bf26e6e1e4b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q4f73b8d8d6090cf67329","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":516,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T04:49:31.313Z","text":"没解散  是灭爆 捆绑 战友的工具","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d5379a513bd91f3a9c0","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f73b8d8d6090cf67329","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q92740d4bfacb7fa9e5b8","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":517,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T04:54:45.514Z","text":"你这里有两个明显的错误。\n我帮你纠正一下你再发过来吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb5be2d702ab853b31715","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92740d4bfacb7fa9e5b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5be2d702ab853b31715","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q5b21cbc179cc8b0679e8","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":518,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T04:55:23.510Z","text":"2023年前 所有农场主 上名单了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37f34942b9da535100ef","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b21cbc179cc8b0679e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qc6b261bda7c6d3730198","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":519,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-13T05:03:13.820Z","text":"把水搅浑  再说😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q251f0b12bb753e91fb93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6b261bda7c6d3730198","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q251f0b12bb753e91fb93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qfe0405435c59ba00f3d6","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":520,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T05:56:00.878Z","text":"没有 极少数人上名单","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b21cbc179cc8b0679e8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe0405435c59ba00f3d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b21cbc179cc8b0679e8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf6671ca5781d901cbd7d","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":521,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T05:56:26.899Z","text":"但是法官同意检方观点 联盟农场是犯罪工具","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6671ca5781d901cbd7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q4e4abe3918bb6e1cb6a3","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":522,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T06:28:48.827Z","text":"我现在搞清楚了债权人、受害者到底是个什么东西。刚把螺丝哥讲话内容整理之后已经发给了文贵的三个律师。\n下一步就是要搞清楚Luc到底是什么角色，他到底干了啥，在听证会上对他有什么问题要问。\n重发一下我前段时间的一点汇总。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e4abe3918bb6e1cb6a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qdbc428b8bc8968d5b2d1","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":523,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T06:29:34.905Z","text":"我把前面的对话汇总了一下：\n\n法庭命令的这个逻辑是什么？总得有点道理吧？\n现在是：他们自己拉的屎，得自己咽回去！\n\nLuc登记的债权人都是高倍索赔，一万索赔一千万，这是虚假索赔，luc明知不对还是接受了。\n\n七哥直播的时候说了，就是等luc接受了这些虚假索赔之后，再让爆料革命里信心不坚定的的投资人去登记。\n\nLuc接受了之前的就必须接受后面的，相当于用这些墙头草给luc做好了套。\n\n网红不是共犯，是主犯；老郭被冤枉成 共犯，这才符合现实。\n\n债权人登记从根上就有问题，就是从luc接受了拱族那些人开始就有问题了，所以应该作废。\n\n也就是说，文贵还没被抓起来的时候，老班长就在文贵的眼皮底下干坏事，进行各种形式的鼓动，让大家参与夸大数字的虚假索赔，还成立了债权委员会，小飞象，铲共奇侠等都是其中的成员。法庭文件上写1000多人参与了这次虚假索赔。\n虚假索赔从法律层面来说也是一种妨碍司法，因为他们提供的是假信息、对司法公正产生了误导即妨碍。这些登记和委员会都是有铁证的。而文贵直播说的一句话却被法官判为“妨碍司法”。\n不管怎样说，在文贵的“妨碍司法”的判决前提下，这些债权人登记都是虚假无效的，作为文贵的Trustee Luc 却接纳这1000多人的虚假索赔，他是文贵的共谋犯，债权人是虚假的、更不能成为文贵刑事案中的受害者。\n\n而且债权人登记是如何影响抓捕、定罪、破产案和刑事案关联，这些都要让luc来说清楚。\n\n文贵和灭爆之间在互相下套。但文贵做的的确是阳谋的下套。他只是直播说说而已。而这帮家伙还真的操作起来了。\n\nLuc吃相难看，两头吃、多头吃，他还跑去跟检方合作，把文贵抓起来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbc428b8bc8968d5b2d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe2a83be5cff72f82310e","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":524,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T06:35:23.239Z","text":"直接存pdf发email","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48df9a5a329e5a8fd3b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2a83be5cff72f82310e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48df9a5a329e5a8fd3b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q475b3ef3a828d72a5d05","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":525,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T06:37:26.444Z","text":"我撤回，应该一起整理成专业的文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q475b3ef3a828d72a5d05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q30211615efdca52ea373","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":526,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T06:37:34.297Z","text":"可以学学他们律师的格式啥的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30211615efdca52ea373","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q5e8aa526ba05084b935b","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":527,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T06:37:42.400Z","text":"经过一点小修改，我已搞成三个PDF文件发出去了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe2a83be5cff72f82310e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e8aa526ba05084b935b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2a83be5cff72f82310e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q7a2e29762f16e4527743","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":528,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-13T06:46:40.938Z","text":"他上庭的时候已经是秘书长了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2110caaa9063e5b1e7c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a2e29762f16e4527743","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2110caaa9063e5b1e7c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe1530c7675eddcbc37ba","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":529,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T06:55:30.541Z","text":"https://chatgpt.com/share/687357cb-5cbc-800c-99ae-4307e0a3e1ec 我问了gpt，用的代号问的。似乎一些言论表达对七哥的支持是合法的，即便是检方证人，但是编造电话内容就可能会出问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4ddb213b94bdf5916f8e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1530c7675eddcbc37ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q38d7929ea6fe71d14f97","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":530,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T06:57:19.369Z","text":"如果 AV 编造了 MG 从 MDC 打来的电话，并虚构其在监狱中遭遇暴力事件，这种行为可能构成对联邦机构的诽谤或公众误导，尤其当她是检方证人时，可能涉嫌妨碍司法。若内容涉及真实人员或组织，还可能引发更严重的法律后果，包括刑事调查。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38d7929ea6fe71d14f97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q279154892992fec6a4e8","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":531,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T06:58:06.312Z","text":"https://chatgpt.com/share/6873587e-75b0-800c-993e-ebee825b6a0a","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q279154892992fec6a4e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe0e4452983d13440237e","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":532,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T06:58:32.852Z","text":"所以会涉嫌对联邦机构的诽谤","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0e4452983d13440237e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q01f250b75648960855ee","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":533,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T06:58:39.417Z","text":"不用问编造","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38d7929ea6fe71d14f97","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01f250b75648960855ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38d7929ea6fe71d14f97","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q004a214bfc2d457832f0","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":534,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T06:59:02.186Z","text":"编造她肯定被调查变成[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q004a214bfc2d457832f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qd2d883b93ca89b7d7ceb","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":535,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T06:59:08.007Z","text":"就算她说的全是真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2d883b93ca89b7d7ceb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q336e013c9e0da1416ed9","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":536,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T06:59:12.262Z","text":"是什么结果 你可以问问","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q336e013c9e0da1416ed9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf1366ea4fdc96fa04a0e","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":537,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T06:59:29.465Z","text":"和编造其实区别也不大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1366ea4fdc96fa04a0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe3aeb986e65959d5f8a2","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":538,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:00:13.123Z","text":"七哥请她和长岛到家里吃饭，她吸烟的动作一看就是老社会人，非常痞。那次七哥还暗示他们是北京局和上海局的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f5e9ec978ae9a4c466d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3aeb986e65959d5f8a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f5e9ec978ae9a4c466d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q7f9952a327c7d79e1f00","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":539,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:02:35.198Z","text":"✅ 如果内容属实，AV的言论属于宪法第一修正案保护范围，不违法；\n❗不过，如果她是检方证人，公开这些内容可能被认为不当行为，例如违反了检方或法院对证人的行为指导，但这通常不是刑事违法，除非她泄露了受保护的证据或违反了法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q336e013c9e0da1416ed9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f9952a327c7d79e1f00","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q336e013c9e0da1416ed9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf4b61d7f319e7770c775","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":540,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:06:31.606Z","text":"人家是常州专业的特务，不用是特务，体制内但凡是个科级就有这素质，就算自己家里人去世了，上班依然面不改色。这对黄河边来说是工作，所以很客气，他不动真情","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8bf462abbfa606d997d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4b61d7f319e7770c775","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bf462abbfa606d997d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe3c1c38985d49e3fae76","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":541,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T07:07:55.007Z","text":"我没看见她抽烟，只见到她在饭桌上沫口红💄之类的东西。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3aeb986e65959d5f8a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c1c38985d49e3fae76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3aeb986e65959d5f8a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qaebd1e46bad6b273f368","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":542,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:08:41.157Z","text":"对的 光这个 就够她喝几壶 而且老郭的律师可以用这个 去干扰检方量刑 本来判50年 由于ava骚操作 给你降到两年","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f9952a327c7d79e1f00","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaebd1e46bad6b273f368","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f9952a327c7d79e1f00","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q6d669f642373a37290c3","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":543,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:10:02.584Z","text":"青藤 检方证人 天天瞎见","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d669f642373a37290c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf39713be64f766e4ffeb","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":544,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:10:06.583Z","text":"编造","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf39713be64f766e4ffeb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf01f70b18e3003061472","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":545,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:10:31.970Z","text":"再给你减两年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf01f70b18e3003061472","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q7a5390ec9e73c62624a4","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":546,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T07:10:43.204Z","text":"她的骚操作可以造成减刑，我不理解。\n如果真是这样，文贵出来又要感谢她、重用她了。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaebd1e46bad6b273f368","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a5390ec9e73c62624a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaebd1e46bad6b273f368","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qa811ebe33e614d56523e","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":547,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:10:56.690Z","text":"然后你再去挖 哪个注册为受害的 依然在宣传g系列","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa811ebe33e614d56523e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q0cae35aa157721fc9182","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":548,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:11:03.890Z","text":"全都要算进去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cae35aa157721fc9182","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf7ca5708ac79f97cdbac","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":549,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:11:21.061Z","text":"因为她是严重干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a5390ec9e73c62624a4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7ca5708ac79f97cdbac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a5390ec9e73c62624a4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q151cb00f61c51aaef835","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":550,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:11:46.584Z","text":"检方的量刑无论如何 都因为她这个猪队友的行为 信任度会受到大大质疑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q151cb00f61c51aaef835","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qfa94932664b78e0c0b14","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":551,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T07:11:55.216Z","text":"这帮人为什么要搞相见节目来胡说八道？目的是什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa94932664b78e0c0b14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q2b99c1add001a2c274ef","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":552,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:12:35.747Z","text":"我觉得就是： 他们要在法庭上 站在检方立场 政治上又不舍得放弃nfsc 要摘桃 所以只能继续瞎见 骗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa94932664b78e0c0b14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b99c1add001a2c274ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa94932664b78e0c0b14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qc785ad0df17e870553de","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":553,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:12:59.736Z","text":"但法庭和政治 本来就矛盾 你当了检方受害者 还要爱老郭 这是不可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc785ad0df17e870553de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qebc52bed2b8200c85a53","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":554,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:13:34.006Z","text":"ava就是典型的 要当检方受害者 还要爱老郭 既要又要 因为上面任务紧 你必须保留nfsc的壳","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebc52bed2b8200c85a53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q6a9eb28eb53a31eab915","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":555,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:13:40.544Z","text":"所以你必须编造老郭信息","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a9eb28eb53a31eab915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q9d83275eb29a02d9c0c7","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":556,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-13T07:13:48.262Z","text":"它们想让大家放心、麻痹，而不做我们现在应该做的事？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d83275eb29a02d9c0c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q1945308bcc89ca2c738c","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":557,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:14:24.786Z","text":"放心麻痹只是其一 他们更需要代表nfsc的招牌继续骗 好让韩正他们摘桃","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d83275eb29a02d9c0c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1945308bcc89ca2c738c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d83275eb29a02d9c0c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qb02da3f8c1fcb7baaa62","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":558,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-13T07:16:24.457Z","text":"按这个逻辑，315后的喜交所啥的各种登记造假也应该无效才对，如果法庭认为有效，那315后的证据也应该有效","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3709a4acbec62daad9b0","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb02da3f8c1fcb7baaa62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qfca7119b78ecdad8392d","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":559,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:17:43.304Z","text":"如果 AV 故意隐瞒自己是检方证人身份，仍以支持者身份误导他人填写受害者表格，可能构成欺诈性误导或妨碍司法。若她散布虚假信息操控舆论或干扰证人判断，也可能涉嫌误导证人或妨害审判公正性。这些行为在特定情境下可能引发民事或刑事责任。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaebd1e46bad6b273f368","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfca7119b78ecdad8392d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaebd1e46bad6b273f368","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qca21f38bdc74bb8d5ed4","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":560,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:18:11.073Z","text":"而且有很多道德方面有问题的，法官如果有良心也会考虑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca21f38bdc74bb8d5ed4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qc8911cd95e3aa26d4c3a","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":561,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:19:14.779Z","text":"哈哈 这个确实值得商量","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb02da3f8c1fcb7baaa62","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8911cd95e3aa26d4c3a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb02da3f8c1fcb7baaa62","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q35413c61baecd12879cc","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":562,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:19:30.769Z","text":"她没有隐瞒","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfca7119b78ecdad8392d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35413c61baecd12879cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfca7119b78ecdad8392d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qba0124e0ed4b7e20ab89","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":563,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:19:42.165Z","text":"她在1月六号听证会是公开自己受害者身份的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba0124e0ed4b7e20ab89","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q33f572af0537f5489183","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":564,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:19:49.486Z","text":"她就是检方的受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33f572af0537f5489183","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe853febd00c8c18e4952","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":565,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:19:55.205Z","text":"而且上庭作证的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe853febd00c8c18e4952","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qc31e592b2cfad982db9d","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":566,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:20:38.430Z","text":"我是指在社交媒体上隐瞒自己是检方证人，假装仍然和mg的支持者一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35413c61baecd12879cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc31e592b2cfad982db9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35413c61baecd12879cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q20936b9599b6d867204b","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":567,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:20:58.778Z","text":"那就又多了一条罪名","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20936b9599b6d867204b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q4a283450278d1ef45d4f","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":568,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:22:20.209Z","text":"AV的道德问题通常不会直接影响MG的量刑决定，但如果她的行为损害了检方的可信度、影响了被害人陈述的真实程度，可能间接成为减轻量刑的考量因素，尤其在辩方有效揭示其操纵或欺骗行为的前提下。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a283450278d1ef45d4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q23fd198293fade558158","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":569,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:22:54.184Z","text":"联盟还出了一条视频 说ava不是检方证人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4a283450278d1ef45d4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23fd198293fade558158","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a283450278d1ef45d4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf3b6ba4fe4ec3cc31d28","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":570,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:26:22.756Z","text":"其他KOL发布视频否认AV是检方证人，若明知她身份属实，可能构成公众误导甚至妨碍司法。即使不违法，该行为也破坏案件透明度，削弱公众对司法程序的信任。若这种误导是有组织、有意策划的，相关人员可能面临更高法律风险。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23fd198293fade558158","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3b6ba4fe4ec3cc31d28","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23fd198293fade558158","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q59ff1ef462a0d241a8a6","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":571,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-13T07:32:58.359Z","text":"青藤那会是磐石的CEO啊，只要农场是共谋，青藤就是共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":"q251f0b12bb753e91fb93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59ff1ef462a0d241a8a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q251f0b12bb753e91fb93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q851d39cd6dc76c682d53","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":572,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:36:47.761Z","text":"苏小和和王吉舟一直在说七哥是用栗战书的人和料帮习来整王岐山的，其他的事不怎么提，而且他俩都是王岐山的人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4807e8c520375f0e11aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q851d39cd6dc76c682d53","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4807e8c520375f0e11aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q39965e00820d3346548e","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":573,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:48:00.878Z","text":"老郭我不认为完全无辜，家里人用钱买保险，他儿子的跑车，到底有没有动投资款？有没有挪用？我这话很多人不爱听，法律文件也语焉不详，到底有没有明确的银行记录？我个人觉得，要说一点瑕疵也没有，我看未必，但这东西在美国，大老板政客們都这么玩，可以说美国的潜规则。不過这种东西，就容易被别有用心的搞事情。再給你來點系統性的假證據，政治迫害下，確實難搞。美國和中共國只是生態不同導致遊戲玩法不同而已，本質沒太大區別。蘿莉島案就很明顯了。老郭哪怕有挪用最多民事或者賠點錢，現在就是系統性的又組織的司法迫害。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39965e00820d3346548e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qcb66af0bfcc774753a37","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":574,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:48:47.812Z","text":"AV作为检方证人，在MG尚未被量刑前公开发布MG在拘押中遭遇的暴力事件，法律上通常不违法，但在司法伦理上极为不当，可能削弱她证词的可信度。她的行为有可能被辩方引用为减刑理由，但也可能因其证人身份而被法官拒绝采信，甚至反过来影响检方对她的评估和使用。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06df73689834b63a13c6","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb66af0bfcc774753a37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe18073cf2e430d8acc5b","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":575,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:49:47.044Z","text":"真有意思，除非检方有禁制令，否则av还真不违法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe18073cf2e430d8acc5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qbed3d843e81382274c81","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":576,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:50:52.738Z","text":"君子論跡不論心，老郭幹的事就是對的，確實讓美國看清楚很多事，有些人道德潔癖就別參與。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbed3d843e81382274c81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q2baeaec4c5bca7ddd053","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":577,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:51:36.939Z","text":"她好像是受害者 不是证人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb66af0bfcc774753a37","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2baeaec4c5bca7ddd053","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb66af0bfcc774753a37","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q1c1f3573603ecc014e16","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":578,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:51:53.194Z","text":"上庭作证的受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c1f3573603ecc014e16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qe34336176cf08f9a7ab6","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":579,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:51:55.582Z","text":"应该这么说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34336176cf08f9a7ab6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q43bfa29b20d5856a9951","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":580,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-07-13T07:52:27.407Z","text":"法庭和打篮球还是不一样，打篮球就只有两方博弈，犯不犯规，不犯规都可以，但是法庭复杂得多，也有道德和法律的模糊的边界","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43bfa29b20d5856a9951","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qafb4b8b056b3b6a5610a","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":581,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:52:56.023Z","text":"足球場爭議更多，一樣的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43bfa29b20d5856a9951","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafb4b8b056b3b6a5610a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43bfa29b20d5856a9951","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q9d3d668d4279326304d4","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":582,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-13T07:53:21.336Z","text":"你这么写让律师知道有一群人在为郭胜诉努力，这个对他们也是一个鼓励吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d3d668d4279326304d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qc01224125e18ad97801b","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":583,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:53:49.036Z","text":"挪用了钱 家里人享受 应该抓家里人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39965e00820d3346548e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc01224125e18ad97801b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39965e00820d3346548e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q74a5f22ac7e71c787bdd","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":584,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:53:53.686Z","text":"抓老郭干什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74a5f22ac7e71c787bdd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q175b2077e927d54e021d","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":585,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:54:17.622Z","text":"他們就是要讓老郭閉嘴呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc01224125e18ad97801b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q175b2077e927d54e021d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc01224125e18ad97801b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qb4fac6e1fa39fe4674f8","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":586,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:54:35.177Z","text":"不讓他發聲是gen ben mu di","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4fac6e1fa39fe4674f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qb340dd2477d46f52c1de","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":587,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:54:50.682Z","text":"抓老郭的原因是破产案和g系列的绑定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb340dd2477d46f52c1de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qf8660c702f0ad97d66e4","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":588,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:54:58.839Z","text":"至于老郭家族用钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8660c702f0ad97d66e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q0476a5783a152ca9aaf4","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":589,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:55:11.714Z","text":"是家族的问题 和老郭无关","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0476a5783a152ca9aaf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qca7e30c7749bb1811e06","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":590,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:56:00.796Z","text":"g系列和老郭完全没关系 老郭家人就算把g系列钱败光 也不应该抓老郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca7e30c7749bb1811e06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q74e6ebf1d7be686e8b93","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":591,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:56:17.302Z","text":"就是非法的破产案债权人把老郭绑到了刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74e6ebf1d7be686e8b93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qc04507a7a116724ccf96","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":592,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:56:21.009Z","text":"早期法律文件不是提到幾十萬保險和兒子的跑車麽，現在是給混一起了，老郭自己的錢，投資的錢，檢方混在一起","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf8660c702f0ad97d66e4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04507a7a116724ccf96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8660c702f0ad97d66e4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qcf42a301c9bb0369bb22","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":593,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:57:22.549Z","text":"老郭自己的钱 如果检方都当作g系列的钱 也一样 老郭和g系列没有关系 就像gtv一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc04507a7a116724ccf96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf42a301c9bb0369bb22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04507a7a116724ccf96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qd81aeffa06126d227cee","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":594,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:57:30.623Z","text":"王管的十幾億就有老郭自己的錢吧，凍結的六億也有吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd81aeffa06126d227cee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q898c5bf1256b3940e3db","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":595,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:57:47.275Z","text":"所以辯護律師就要打這個","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf42a301c9bb0369bb22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q898c5bf1256b3940e3db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf42a301c9bb0369bb22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q5c70aa2731ae3a9cec7e","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":596,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:57:54.892Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q898c5bf1256b3940e3db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c70aa2731ae3a9cec7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q898c5bf1256b3940e3db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q4284b8a1288717e2ce7a","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":597,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:58:11.566Z","text":"这个案子 和老郭家人挪用多少钱 根本没关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4284b8a1288717e2ce7a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q958ac92e31572ff08498","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":598,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:58:43.899Z","text":"老郭和g系列没有关系  就这么简单。 因为gtv已经无罪 是破产案绑上去了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q958ac92e31572ff08498","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"q37237f2902d3467201d0","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":599,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-13T07:59:09.654Z","text":"又沒有關係人家也作為證據說你是詐騙拿出來了，現在律師最好能證明這些錢是老郭自己的錢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4284b8a1288717e2ce7a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37237f2902d3467201d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4284b8a1288717e2ce7a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"},{"id":"qfeefe251953181f0f2da","batch_id":"batch-000014","seq":600,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-13T07:59:19.608Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37237f2902d3467201d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfeefe251953181f0f2da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37237f2902d3467201d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000014"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000013","next_batch_id":"batch-000015"}