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是因为被我骂到破防🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8a2c7100b9833e59049","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc178c28cc383de9b919c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":4,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T22:57:58.732Z","text":"有保密协议 才去作证的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdc8e7f13acb6e2368951","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc178c28cc383de9b919c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc8e7f13acb6e2368951","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q08d9b97233ad7601e4e7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":5,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-14T23:00:52.116Z","text":"共谋嫌疑犯就是联盟农场，组织了债权人喜交所数字银行等等八九千人去法庭要钱，合法啊？郭文贵鼓动的债权人登记被法庭认定是妨碍司法虚假索赔，卢克代表了这妨碍司法虚假索赔的一千多债权人，卢克有资格来法庭要钱啊？敢不敢回答一下啊？爱郭贼，不敢谈程序不正义，怕郭文贵真从监狱出来啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08d9b97233ad7601e4e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd2a71c3c05952a5008b2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":6,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:01:11.144Z","text":"是这帮人 玷污了  大家，所有[屏蔽词] 忍受 被他们代表","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3f37249dc5126d368c25","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2a71c3c05952a5008b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qea6ca9c3bf8e2dbc24ae","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":7,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:01:49.518Z","text":"我说了，最恶心的是被代表，他们就是要出来 代表海外华人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea6ca9c3bf8e2dbc24ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qeaade4cac12ec9606f65","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":8,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:01:54.541Z","text":"非要代表老子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaade4cac12ec9606f65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q87bee1edfab0a1b1ef71","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":9,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:02:49.156Z","text":"我为什么坚持4年[屏蔽词] 揭露他们，就是怕被他们代表，不管说啥 老子一秒 识破 马上 反驳","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87bee1edfab0a1b1ef71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q374055dcf92bad582d5c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":10,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:03:23.543Z","text":"爱过贼 骂我 好几年 说我 砸联盟就是砸锅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q374055dcf92bad582d5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7d07029465c89a376260","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":11,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:04:12.166Z","text":"现在[屏蔽词] 曾经骂我 砸锅的 都闭嘴了，自己开始砸锅了  😆","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d07029465c89a376260","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q02bd7615d444cc2e80f8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":12,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:07:18.230Z","text":"哈哈哈哈😂  从他妈 第一天 联盟开始搞什么登记 我就提醒大家 千万不要填联盟任何表。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc73f00ee66f7254f82f2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02bd7615d444cc2e80f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe85c4dc221a220563094","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":13,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:07:48.624Z","text":"[屏蔽词] 没一个人 信我","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe85c4dc221a220563094","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q51e4903b8a4d2d02ad8a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":14,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:08:40.082Z","text":"一群 没有文化 没智商的  来 处理 你们全球这么多 账    我从来就不信 他们能把账理清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51e4903b8a4d2d02ad8a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q4969b3d130696717382b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":15,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:09:46.771Z","text":"直到 马斯克 的  doge 搞 AI 查政府的烂账，我才看到点希望，也许联盟的 账  用这个方法可以快速整理清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4969b3d130696717382b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q85b0de41d72b4dbbdf21","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":16,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:10:45.839Z","text":"但是那也是 一群工程师来查账，也不是你 联盟任何 网红 有能力的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85b0de41d72b4dbbdf21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qef4cf567a18312156015","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":17,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:11:03.539Z","text":"早期不是有好人吗，被排挤走了啊，不然矩阵怎么能形成","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc73f00ee66f7254f82f2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef4cf567a18312156015","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb92746dc8d5e220288ab","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":18,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:14:21.302Z","text":"爆料革命就是逆淘汰，这是矩阵形成的关键要素","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb92746dc8d5e220288ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q81766c0bef22ff5a2ec0","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":19,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:14:50.221Z","text":"只能说法轮功没有被渗透的这么厉害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81766c0bef22ff5a2ec0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2facf456bc57b030c17d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":20,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:19:25.871Z","text":"你有没有想过去外国人推特下面说？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe7203de354ed33b3f27b","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2facf456bc57b030c17d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf146e436875628dd31cd","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":21,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:19:42.687Z","text":"我2022年就提醒大家不能填表","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf146e436875628dd31cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf7f933aac035098195bc","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":22,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:19:56.695Z","text":"我还被人嘲笑 不填表 拿不到钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7f933aac035098195bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe3f036de78a5facbda72","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":23,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:19:58.414Z","text":"我之前去班农的推特下面说过，他们也都看不见啊。但是没拉黑我。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f036de78a5facbda72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qaa85e3c820fd1cd018e2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":24,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:20:04.640Z","text":"结果我自己去 sec 登记 拿到钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa85e3c820fd1cd018e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qea18fac93b0e4a0400ed","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":25,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:20:44.270Z","text":"我2022年就开始 说了 无数次   联盟在使坏 不能信啊  喊破嗓子了，还说了 你们会永远填表 一直填表，没一个人鸟我 哈哈哈😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea18fac93b0e4a0400ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7d852a4a7012658c2d5d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":26,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:20:50.769Z","text":"你们去外国人的推特下面说程序不正义，看看他们有没有理你的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d852a4a7012658c2d5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf472dc669741abfdd52c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":27,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-14T23:20:59.132Z","text":"内城，推下发了。其它的发了一点点。发中文，没有用啊。翻译成英文，字数肯定超","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3f036de78a5facbda72","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf472dc669741abfdd52c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f036de78a5facbda72","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5c107f0c743cc15b07b3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":28,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-14T23:21:12.416Z","text":"我又糊涂了。债权人也可以当受害者吧，如果他们同意这样做。比如螺丝哥他投资了两万，他也可以认为自己是受害者；但是我投资了GTV, 我是债权人，但是GTV无罪，我也不能当受害者，而且我也不觉得我是文贵案件中的受害者，除非我象有一些炒蛋一样去进行虚假索赔。即使我去做了虚假索贴，到时候也是竹篮打水一场空。我只能等七哥翻案，我的投资才能有回报。但是投资有风险，即使亏了，也只能认了，除非收我钱的人我确定他们贪污了并可以将他们绳之以法，但是我知道这一切的操作也跟七哥无关。…………","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7e23b7939c479fde8d6","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c107f0c743cc15b07b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb00d91a9390aa9b24ac3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":29,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:21:36.767Z","text":"但是就算外国人看不见，他们也不会拉黑你。这就是外国人比中国人好的地方。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb00d91a9390aa9b24ac3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5962233770e00f0b9b5e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":30,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:21:52.305Z","text":"中国人直接拉黑你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5962233770e00f0b9b5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9928d14015fbda9591c7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":31,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-14T23:21:59.800Z","text":"债权人 是要填那个债权人登记表 才能成为债权人的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c107f0c743cc15b07b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9928d14015fbda9591c7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c107f0c743cc15b07b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q42979bca4bfa12f94e26","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":32,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-14T23:22:07.788Z","text":"受害人同理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42979bca4bfa12f94e26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3d95e6327fc22f88b9fe","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":33,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:26:17.522Z","text":"债权人和受害者不矛盾","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d95e6327fc22f88b9fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe25c0721fb92c760a7ea","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":34,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:26:55.600Z","text":"但是你必须证明郭确实欠你钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe25c0721fb92c760a7ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q366906bb60117d4e4454","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":35,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:26:58.662Z","text":"这个老外 只做报道？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q151b9f993499c221f47c","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q366906bb60117d4e4454","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qcaee679b6d934a74c6f9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":36,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:27:09.067Z","text":"不然你就不能是郭的债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaee679b6d934a74c6f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q35a258ae676d5bd00514","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":37,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:28:06.812Z","text":"如果郭被定罪了，法庭说郭就是G系列控制人，那你可以既是受害人，也是债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35a258ae676d5bd00514","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc6fc311ab7345ca2414e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":38,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:28:56.942Z","text":"但是，在郭被抓之前，你跑去登记债权人，那时候郭欠你钱吗？这个有待探讨","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6fc311ab7345ca2414e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qdb55464a95a753905f4f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":39,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:29:01.599Z","text":"我还是没搞清楚 你们的 ：喜交所和 债权人 为啥不是一个东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9928d14015fbda9591c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb55464a95a753905f4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9928d14015fbda9591c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc57c94a26d5e8ef2edb2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":40,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:30:20.727Z","text":"喜交所是盖尔搞得，债权人是luc搞得。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc57c94a26d5e8ef2edb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2b23465fd17b9fb948f3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":41,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-14T23:31:38.211Z","text":"那受害人是fbi 搞的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b23465fd17b9fb948f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q229397f8a2e2d44a75ae","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":42,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:32:48.954Z","text":"受害人这块儿乱七八糟，我也不清楚是谁搞得😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229397f8a2e2d44a75ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q48895c7ddebc83b2f72b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":43,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:54:18.131Z","text":"你就翻译成英文，私信他们，或者去他们推下留言，看看他们会不会拉黑你","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf472dc669741abfdd52c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48895c7ddebc83b2f72b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf472dc669741abfdd52c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q97a11a61aeebefab8196","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":44,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-14T23:54:38.378Z","text":"看看中国人和外国人是不是一样的😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97a11a61aeebefab8196","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc3e3cbf7a002f3f4d0de","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":45,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-14T23:59:19.987Z","text":"你太炒鸡蛋了吧？起码可以把中英翻译一起发给他吧？用Grok 翻译，一秒钟就出结果。你这次连Luc的名字都不用英文。你真该输！唉！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3e3cbf7a002f3f4d0de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5541eba311ac349f86fe","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":46,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:10:54.533Z","text":"我的理解： 现在法庭认证的受害人 就是fbi 自己登记的 还有长岛126人 还有之前秘密作证的这些人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5541eba311ac349f86fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q17f9ec4742b8e7f9f1aa","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":47,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:11:13.706Z","text":"盖尔那个 我怀疑 他只是引用受害人法案 逼宫法官","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17f9ec4742b8e7f9f1aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9e2d995ce51dc1873f86","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":48,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:11:52.795Z","text":"包括没收程序 有没有成为法庭认定的受害人 我个人认为 还不清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e2d995ce51dc1873f86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb4db00b7d037962f8495","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":49,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:12:10.661Z","text":"债权人 绝对不是受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4db00b7d037962f8495","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qbdc56c3cd9a13f25e07d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":50,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T00:12:25.699Z","text":"王认罪。王指控郭呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdc56c3cd9a13f25e07d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q58c51ee740ab4d5a295b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":51,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:12:26.680Z","text":"但债权人有没有和受害人重名？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58c51ee740ab4d5a295b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qee017c95fd37783bd957","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":52,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:14:30.467Z","text":"肯定有吧，也许有些农场主又是债权人，又是受害者，又是证人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee017c95fd37783bd957","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf40a8cdcb375eba8bca3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":53,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:14:42.840Z","text":"但是这些不矛盾吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf40a8cdcb375eba8bca3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6f344fbc26d48d1b4030","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":54,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:14:57.666Z","text":"受害人也可以是债权人，也可以是污点证人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f344fbc26d48d1b4030","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qcebcd034a830d63d9170","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":55,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:15:11.321Z","text":"不矛盾 但债权人有重大程序不正义 就有问题了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf40a8cdcb375eba8bca3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcebcd034a830d63d9170","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf40a8cdcb375eba8bca3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf7bbdef87d613e8312f8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":56,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:15:20.273Z","text":"你这个人在债权人这里重大程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7bbdef87d613e8312f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa21c735891b2e8ba7411","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":57,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:15:31.266Z","text":"你还想作为受害人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa21c735891b2e8ba7411","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q73988d66150b714229db","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":58,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:15:37.293Z","text":"是不是要查一下？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73988d66150b714229db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa2dc9ded979e06dfdbaf","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":59,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:15:41.294Z","text":"对，就是在郭被抓之前，你去登记债权人，是不是郭欠你钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2dc9ded979e06dfdbaf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q25a828649ca26cc40917","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":60,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:16:19.991Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2dc9ded979e06dfdbaf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25a828649ca26cc40917","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2dc9ded979e06dfdbaf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q81429d6b1bcf26e74c25","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":61,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:16:45.042Z","text":"无论如何","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81429d6b1bcf26e74c25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb40eba481d5ba6168fb8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":62,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:16:55.823Z","text":"债权人不管是不是受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb40eba481d5ba6168fb8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q4346dd63edcc4a12d00f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":63,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:17:07.369Z","text":"都会把检方受害人打残","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4346dd63edcc4a12d00f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa736cdb42367f74c75d0","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":64,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:17:14.505Z","text":"最好债权人就是受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa736cdb42367f74c75d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q446eda5b314f4cbf8a62","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":65,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:17:21.017Z","text":"那就相当于受害人程序不正义了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q446eda5b314f4cbf8a62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc691dbd861dc7ae030e4","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":66,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:17:39.406Z","text":"如果债权人不是受害人 那我还的绕一圈 就是找同名","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc691dbd861dc7ae030e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa4ce5c04a356e0b9e601","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":67,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:31:48.460Z","text":"没听懂，为什么债权人不合法等于受害人不合法啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4ce5c04a356e0b9e601","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q11d7239b274f622c9af9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":68,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:46:48.138Z","text":"哦，你说的前提就是检方立案用的是债权人做受害人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d7239b274f622c9af9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5218599db4ab3ef56883","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":69,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:52:40.321Z","text":"法官不认的话，这个案子就没有存在的依据了，这不就是螺丝哥522动议说的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5218599db4ab3ef56883","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe9a8012cf53425a4937e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":70,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:53:26.056Z","text":"但是债权人如果是用来立案的，那债权人早就在受害者名单上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9a8012cf53425a4937e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q79db4c5320e1c940be9f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":71,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:54:40.050Z","text":"法官怎么回复的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5218599db4ab3ef56883","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79db4c5320e1c940be9f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5218599db4ab3ef56883","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qbd637c9257ed33d710b6","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":72,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:54:48.739Z","text":"你不要教我判案？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd637c9257ed33d710b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2a8744deca796c978bb5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":73,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:55:49.590Z","text":"法官不是把所有螺丝哥的动议驳回了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a8744deca796c978bb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q0569e46953aac0c9ecfa","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":74,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:56:09.403Z","text":"说他没引用对法条","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0569e46953aac0c9ecfa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qff884579039e89f9148f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":75,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:56:20.062Z","text":"还有其他原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff884579039e89f9148f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2b66bf017c2073e53ae9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":76,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:56:25.726Z","text":"那针对这一点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b66bf017c2073e53ae9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qfe4f219bb733e56bb07e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":77,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:56:37.898Z","text":"法官啥态度","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe4f219bb733e56bb07e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf9bf69cdc55f73549da6","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":78,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T00:57:34.483Z","text":"这是本案最核心的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9bf69cdc55f73549da6"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法官应该会指出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34dbad03285ec5868391","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf1c8f9dfd2efe4449589","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":84,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:58:12.192Z","text":"现在连检方都不回复了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1c8f9dfd2efe4449589","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q28f41ae45edac31e4ab9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":85,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:58:34.531Z","text":"这个案子所有人全部摆烂😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28f41ae45edac31e4ab9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q443010ebc1886bd7c014","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":86,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T00:58:49.278Z","text":"都去度假了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q443010ebc1886bd7c014","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q704f9b067a5ff349a5dd","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":87,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:01:14.992Z","text":"法官说度假是啥时候去？b","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q704f9b067a5ff349a5dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q161c5f89d53c249cccc4","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":88,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:01:17.350Z","text":"去几天？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q161c5f89d53c249cccc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa7a92884a20bb730fba9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":89,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:01:27.246Z","text":"我说度假是开玩笑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7a92884a20bb730fba9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6ab9c9080ef90ca80b5d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":90,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:01:35.199Z","text":"他们真的去度假了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ab9c9080ef90ca80b5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9c185d759ca9da78c623","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":91,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:01:40.702Z","text":"根据这个反应 说不定螺丝哥说的 咱们把债权人捅出去 案子还真可能撤了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e9e41258b6b322ff7ed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c185d759ca9da78c623","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e9e41258b6b322ff7ed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc8161e957b40ac5b5fc6","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":92,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:01:57.028Z","text":"［用户 hon***］  是不是你说的法官要休假？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6ab9c9080ef90ca80b5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8161e957b40ac5b5fc6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ab9c9080ef90ca80b5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q1a332005718cd56e071c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":93,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:04:06.115Z","text":"我觉得，螺丝哥说的很有可能是对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c185d759ca9da78c623","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a332005718cd56e071c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c185d759ca9da78c623","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2e5f69fbf8d47e58508e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":94,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:04:48.238Z","text":"是的 法官那反应","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a332005718cd56e071c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e5f69fbf8d47e58508e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a332005718cd56e071c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa65c27b79599600c6414","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":95,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:05:09.476Z","text":"但他们如果负隅顽抗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa65c27b79599600c6414","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd4bf5708d4dd6532f32a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":96,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:05:15.843Z","text":"可能还会继续硬扛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4bf5708d4dd6532f32a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q38a85d26013ebffedebf","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":97,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:35:50.262Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming64/status/1944932886072922523?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38a85d26013ebffedebf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd7722d4d9fe3566ba1f5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":98,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:35:53.033Z","text":"霸王硬上弓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7722d4d9fe3566ba1f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qbc124ccb0eac3f120620","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":99,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:36:51.353Z","text":"检方没去度假啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc124ccb0eac3f120620","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd1a4bf88ce5922a36f31","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":100,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:39:02.446Z","text":"案件编号：1:23-cr-00118-AT\n文件编号：713\n提交日期：2025年7月14日\n第1页，共1页\n美国司法部\n美国纽约南区联邦检察官办公室\nJacob K. Javits 联邦大楼\n26 Federal Plaza\n纽约州纽约市，邮编10278\n\n2025年7月14日\n\n通过ECF提交\n\n尊敬的Analisa Torres法官\n美国纽约南区联邦地区法院\n500 Pearl St.\n纽约州纽约市，邮编10007-1312\n纽约州纽约市，邮编10007\n\n关于：United States v. Guo, et al., S3 23 Cr. 118 (AT)\n\n尊敬的Torres法官：\n\n政府谨此根据法院的指示，就被告郭文贵在没收事宜上的立场提交此函。见第711号文件。尽管郭不同意初步没收令，但法院可以签发一项初步没收令，对金钱判决作出裁定，并没收郭对特定财产的个人权益。政府正在准备一份动议，并将在未来两周内提交，要求法院签发该初步没收令。\n\n此致敬礼，\n\nSEAN S. BUCKLEY\n美国政府律师，依据《美国法典》第28编第515条授权行事\n美国纽约南区联邦检察官办公室\n\n签署人：\n\nMicah F. Fergenson\nRyan B. Finkel\nJustin Horton\nJuliana N. Murray\n助理美国联邦检察官\n(212) 637-2190 / 6612 / 2276 / 2314","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1a4bf88ce5922a36f31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8e094482113f36c17836","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":101,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:39:37.636Z","text":"检方要再拖两周","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e094482113f36c17836","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd2daf21b4944236b4642","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":102,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:39:55.503Z","text":"两周以后再发动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2daf21b4944236b4642","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6c1c778df454f72854f4","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":103,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:40:16.689Z","text":"这个没什么好看的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c1c778df454f72854f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc68824ef7a7f50e7e89d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":104,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:42:15.917Z","text":"没收令一旦上去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc68824ef7a7f50e7e89d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q492f6da82b035b5d8276","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":105,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:42:26.177Z","text":"我就发luc听证会的动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q492f6da82b035b5d8276","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd1a9fb2b890a427175de","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":106,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:43:09.822Z","text":"尽管政府打算寻求一项初步没收令，但它仍然必须证明被告郭文贵与所要没收的资产之间存在法律上的关联或权益。\n\n原因如下：\n\n1. 没收的法律要求：\n根据美国的没收法律（《联邦刑事诉讼规则》第32.2条），政府必须证明该财产：\n\n与犯罪行为直接相关或可追溯至犯罪所得，或者\n\n属于被告所有。\n\n\n\n2. 被告的反对立场：\n信中指出郭不同意初步没收令，这意味着政府不能依赖被告的同意或认罪来支持没收主张——必须提供证据，证明郭对该资产拥有所有权或权益。\n\n\n3. 法院的职责：\n只有在法院认定该资产与下列之一有足够联系时，才可签发初步没收令：\n\n与犯罪行为有关（例如用于实施欺诈或来源于犯罪所得），或\n\n被被告拥有或控制。\n\n\n\n4. 后续程序 —— 第三方主张权利：\n在法院签发初步没收令后，第三方可以主张对该财产的所有权。如果其他人（非郭）能证明其合法所有权，法院可能会将该资产排除在最终没收令之外。\n\n\n\n总结：\n\n政府必须证明郭文贵对所要没收的财产拥有所有权、控制权或其他个人权益。如果不能证明，法院就无法依法签发没收令。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1a9fb2b890a427175de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2f02a787584e78bd021a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":107,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:45:43.927Z","text":"政府只不过是把今天要发的动议拖延了两周，他们还是要证明财产和郭有关","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f02a787584e78bd021a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q1fbafc4a7ebcafb63a12","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":108,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:47:48.846Z","text":"老师踢皮球了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f02a787584e78bd021a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fbafc4a7ebcafb63a12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f02a787584e78bd021a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q0e2e742581cea677457b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":109,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:47:57.341Z","text":"他们无非就把破产命令拿出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e2e742581cea677457b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa1144b2a43d3a309561c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":110,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:48:07.152Z","text":"但这招早被螺丝哥破了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1144b2a43d3a309561c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q51e98b2bf92f3f3e0fcc","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":111,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:48:22.404Z","text":"那就拖呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51e98b2bf92f3f3e0fcc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qeaf7ec6fb6d35d36b3d1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":112,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:49:32.447Z","text":"拖两周也没什么，写动议也是要花时间的，他们必须有充足的证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaf7ec6fb6d35d36b3d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q1432768637092370657e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":113,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:51:02.742Z","text":"我猜最后的动议肯定有很多乱七八糟内容，把你搞晕，也包括债权人登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1432768637092370657e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q784f47dc1d85816d94a0","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":114,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T01:51:26.881Z","text":"到时候检验老郭律师的时候","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1432768637092370657e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q784f47dc1d85816d94a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1432768637092370657e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8f176a1f44cfdef01aad","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":115,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T01:55:51.556Z","text":"他们不需要证明郭控制，只需要证明 ”与犯罪行为有关”就可以没收了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f176a1f44cfdef01aad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe1a12bd689d3ac84d83c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":116,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T01:58:20.447Z","text":"临时检察官由Jay 换成了SEAN S. BUCKLEY","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1a12bd689d3ac84d83c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5c59f76319b74207b6c1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":117,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T01:59:21.181Z","text":"司法也是一个巨大的 matrix","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e094482113f36c17836","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c59f76319b74207b6c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e094482113f36c17836","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q286116281839418c8c60","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":118,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:00:05.037Z","text":"你还不如说，我们都生活在一个巨大的matrix中","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q286116281839418c8c60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q0e903de65f4c258fbdb1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":119,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:01:16.300Z","text":"你这是机器人？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1a9fb2b890a427175de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e903de65f4c258fbdb1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1a9fb2b890a427175de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5bac798c798645d61f8b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":120,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:01:22.122Z","text":"换不换检察官，有什么说法吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe1a12bd689d3ac84d83c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bac798c798645d61f8b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1a12bd689d3ac84d83c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q1e3f14146a681ca6431e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":121,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:01:30.425Z","text":"是啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e903de65f4c258fbdb1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e3f14146a681ca6431e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e903de65f4c258fbdb1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf6c34831daaf86fcf06f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":122,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:01:54.171Z","text":"应该是需要证明和郭you guan","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6c34831daaf86fcf06f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2ae9a36d636058bc9307","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":123,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:02:06.944Z","text":"在法院签发初步没收令后，第三方可以主张对该财产的所有权。  👈  这是机器人说的》？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae9a36d636058bc9307","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q09526524f8a102675679","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":124,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:02:34.631Z","text":"对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ae9a36d636058bc9307","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09526524f8a102675679","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae9a36d636058bc9307","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q1e76afe4023fbaa0c564","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":125,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:02:48.057Z","text":"但是 这里检察官说  法院可以继续执行 初步没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e76afe4023fbaa0c564","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf6ea03686e7fd5283c1e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":126,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:03:02.898Z","text":"初步没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ea03686e7fd5283c1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q71b32877ae0f733b2e22","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":127,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:03:06.567Z","text":"我们就可以发动议了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71b32877ae0f733b2e22","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q4dd69bfb4a2099e155ac","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":128,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:03:29.841Z","text":"尽管郭文贵并不同意签署初步没收令，但法院仍可签发一项初步没收令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dd69bfb4a2099e155ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q71e2ba2b590b8d95cb54","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":129,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:03:44.075Z","text":"检方还是要发个动议，今天他们等于什么也没说，就是拖延两周","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71e2ba2b590b8d95cb54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q467a9bb7c574da512493","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":130,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:06:50.458Z","text":"第三方 自诉？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q09526524f8a102675679","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q467a9bb7c574da512493","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09526524f8a102675679","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qee556deaf85e19118591","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":131,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:07:05.816Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/1944941027413856513?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee556deaf85e19118591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q0ece694cefda8f3dd1cc","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":132,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:07:06.532Z","text":"不一定是自诉，你也可以找律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ece694cefda8f3dd1cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q94030d673f6016eb50b7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":133,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:07:35.573Z","text":"我是说 自诉还是动议  哪个好","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ece694cefda8f3dd1cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94030d673f6016eb50b7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ece694cefda8f3dd1cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qccca5eccc6412d04a10c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":134,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:07:50.655Z","text":"没听懂你在问什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccca5eccc6412d04a10c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe3f0cb7e32ee631825c4","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":135,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:08:35.985Z","text":"我估计离真正没收还早着呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee556deaf85e19118591","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f0cb7e32ee631825c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee556deaf85e19118591","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb7c8c71bfd2a894d52c3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":136,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:08:52.828Z","text":"你慢慢等吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7c8c71bfd2a894d52c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd18364fce95db18d965c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":137,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:09:09.402Z","text":"初步没收令就可以了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3f0cb7e32ee631825c4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd18364fce95db18d965c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3f0cb7e32ee631825c4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qda1e969b7432cddde11b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":138,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:10:28.145Z","text":"如果你还没有提交，今天（2025年4月7日）是最后一天，之后只能等新的没收令再重新启动30天期限","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda1e969b7432cddde11b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q73f4fae504dfb904a8e8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":139,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:10:29.662Z","text":"检方两周之后才会发初步没收令，然后辩方可能还要打几下？然后检方还要回复辩方？几个月过去了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd18364fce95db18d965c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73f4fae504dfb904a8e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd18364fce95db18d965c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q044d2788ebb9579c0899","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":140,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:10:45.473Z","text":"初步没收  了 还能登记 去要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q044d2788ebb9579c0899","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q15bd6806734645802038","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":141,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:11:44.835Z","text":"通过久指妖 案子 我发现，法庭不伸张正义，他妈谁 死缠烂打  谁赢啊  会哭的孩子有糖吃？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15bd6806734645802038","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc30a0797880fb5b3465c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":142,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:12:03.920Z","text":"有好的律师非常重要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30a0797880fb5b3465c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8c95205a40c4096e4d04","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":143,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:12:05.287Z","text":"应该是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q73f4fae504dfb904a8e8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c95205a40c4096e4d04","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73f4fae504dfb904a8e8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd64f1b2d84591f6f4c82","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":144,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:12:07.983Z","text":"估计年底了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd64f1b2d84591f6f4c82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q35db0c085afdad1c6acb","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":145,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:12:24.878Z","text":"所以怎么说 明年才是翻案的时候","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35db0c085afdad1c6acb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd20f3a39e99e9eebc775","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":146,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:12:29.599Z","text":"我的感想就是，打官司有好的律师非常重要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd20f3a39e99e9eebc775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q97d21f5feb5839d3e0ad","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":147,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:13:07.444Z","text":"没有好律师，你再有理，都打不赢官司","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97d21f5feb5839d3e0ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb9e04bc08847067dab27","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":148,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:13:23.873Z","text":"我倒是觉得 自己懂更重要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e04bc08847067dab27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q96d1067fe3980fc35303","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":149,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:13:28.397Z","text":"要比检察官 更厉害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96d1067fe3980fc35303","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q56e4dff70536bfee626d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":150,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:13:28.828Z","text":"老郭这个 估计是故意的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56e4dff70536bfee626d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q76d4d4f4210cc89f022b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":151,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:13:53.729Z","text":"你再懂，也不是专业的，也要有好的律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76d4d4f4210cc89f022b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd4e74d182029d157450b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":152,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:14:08.502Z","text":"机器人可以干翻  律师吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4e74d182029d157450b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q735a508438edb2f0b9cd","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":153,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:14:14.146Z","text":"早晚的事","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4e74d182029d157450b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q735a508438edb2f0b9cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4e74d182029d157450b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc20e908adcb3de9be210","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":154,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:14:27.156Z","text":"我也觉得","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc20e908adcb3de9be210","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qeb44c5680d6d403a063a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":155,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:14:51.320Z","text":"目前是不行，你要会向机器人问问题啊，你什么都不懂，你都不知道问什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb44c5680d6d403a063a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7e47e5e2b099e8855123","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":156,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:15:10.644Z","text":"移民律师，民事律师 都可以被机器人干翻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e47e5e2b099e8855123","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qccca1b53ad5d725bf5b3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":157,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:16:13.450Z","text":"那不，你可以慢慢引导它，它也反向引导你思考","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb44c5680d6d403a063a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccca1b53ad5d725bf5b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb44c5680d6d403a063a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qddbc8ca0f944a4eb9114","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":158,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:19:01.811Z","text":"目前机器人只能帮助专业人士，他不能代替专业人士","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccca1b53ad5d725bf5b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddbc8ca0f944a4eb9114","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccca1b53ad5d725bf5b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf153d7e68594c81b50c2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":159,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:20:45.692Z","text":"我的感受是，可以帮助  非专业人士","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf153d7e68594c81b50c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q0fbeb2e3ee0c904bdbeb","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":160,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:21:42.646Z","text":"有个超级富豪网红说了，法律就是陷阱，叫我们要跳出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fbeb2e3ee0c904bdbeb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qdfc7d813ddad85f02660","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":161,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:21:59.847Z","text":"啥意思？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0fbeb2e3ee0c904bdbeb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfc7d813ddad85f02660","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fbeb2e3ee0c904bdbeb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q50ba895d1dff8f863c9b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":162,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:22:53.760Z","text":"我记不清原话了，意思是 法律条文 只会 越来越多 ， 总他妈有一款是 适合你的 紧箍咒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ba895d1dff8f863c9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa76d199615c6d5cc7dde","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":163,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:23:01.495Z","text":"非专业人士，你连基础都没有，机器人也帮不了你","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf153d7e68594c81b50c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa76d199615c6d5cc7dde","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf153d7e68594c81b50c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3b2defa13981fddd87fd","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":164,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:23:20.859Z","text":"他们的目的就是找你的麻烦，所以你必须 马上变rich","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b2defa13981fddd87fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5ab9b0c5f42fbfb2dfa7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":165,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:23:22.682Z","text":"凡是拿钱的都要进去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50ba895d1dff8f863c9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab9b0c5f42fbfb2dfa7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ba895d1dff8f863c9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd674c4777e4d7b1ec5db","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":166,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T02:28:57.574Z","text":"今天在家里的院子里除杂草，见到一种野草不知道是什么名字，一查，把我惊住了。是青蒿草，也属于sage 艾叶类的、也叫 Wormwood， artemisia 踏破铁皮无觅处，谁知得来全不费功夫。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd674c4777e4d7b1ec5db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q939c57c8e75139b2a2cc","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":167,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:28:58.934Z","text":"看看检方两周后的动议怎么写吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q939c57c8e75139b2a2cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q445ecd4614fa734f9786","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":168,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:29:21.815Z","text":"我觉得现在他们就是拖","edited":false,"reply_to":"q939c57c8e75139b2a2cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q445ecd4614fa734f9786","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q939c57c8e75139b2a2cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6aa03b875831caa598c2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":169,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:29:23.395Z","text":"郝","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6aa03b875831caa598c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q927e2949cd1589287f57","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":170,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:29:25.730Z","text":"耗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q927e2949cd1589287f57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3fb204aeded80612f893","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":171,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:29:28.235Z","text":"没有其他出路","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fb204aeded80612f893","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q800845a9e447634c212a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":172,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:31:39.976Z","text":"哎 耗不起了，老郭当初说 等也把老杂毛等死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q800845a9e447634c212a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q4df03972053bad1dd86c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":173,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:32:10.031Z","text":"是不是第三方得 主动出击哦","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3fb204aeded80612f893","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4df03972053bad1dd86c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fb204aeded80612f893","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qcd44e046ba44c5cd2ab3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":174,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:37:44.181Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4df03972053bad1dd86c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd44e046ba44c5cd2ab3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4df03972053bad1dd86c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qdd723237170dd5819cd1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":175,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:37:54.832Z","text":"我的移民文件 全是我自己弄的，弄之前咨询了华人律师和白人律师，白人律师懂，收费7000 美金  接收按进度 分期， 20年老华人律师 一问三不知 收费5000 美金 不接收分期。 我就知道这群人的水平了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa76d199615c6d5cc7dde","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd723237170dd5819cd1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa76d199615c6d5cc7dde","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa9fdefcf982005ebf419","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":176,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:38:20.588Z","text":"简单明了的案子，自己弄就可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdd723237170dd5819cd1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9fdefcf982005ebf419","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd723237170dd5819cd1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qcf55ac614b8c750d0aeb","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":177,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:38:34.745Z","text":"复杂的还是应该请律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf55ac614b8c750d0aeb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q87c47513d62d565b227a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":178,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:39:13.983Z","text":"非常复杂，高手都自己弄，我朋友 的案子也是  写很厚的材料  自己写","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf55ac614b8c750d0aeb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87c47513d62d565b227a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf55ac614b8c750d0aeb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd494452d50db29c5473c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":179,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T02:39:58.415Z","text":"机器人是2024年才出来火的，我们都是 2023年以前弄的  有个毛机器人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd494452d50db29c5473c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q60f6fa83fe20786fdbf1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":180,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:40:05.621Z","text":"总是有天才型的人物，无师自通，一般人不能借鉴","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60f6fa83fe20786fdbf1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5b691bf83c7b8f143ac7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":181,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:55:23.375Z","text":"［用户 rui***］ 郭的电话还在打啊🧐","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b691bf83c7b8f143ac7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3672ad8578b48f573a6d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":182,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:55:43.464Z","text":"裸奔了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b691bf83c7b8f143ac7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3672ad8578b48f573a6d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b691bf83c7b8f143ac7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9015f5364c6b64e834c3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":183,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:55:52.243Z","text":"我靠，内容越来越劲爆了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9015f5364c6b64e834c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe6887e9f989b2bb3e6e7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":184,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:55:52.938Z","text":"q妹应该没有被警告","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6887e9f989b2bb3e6e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8e8d5005dddc78d5f621","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":185,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:56:44.012Z","text":"法庭文件显示, 郭确实给qmay打过电话🧐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e8d5005dddc78d5f621","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qea8a251baf6dcc7c7dc9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":186,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:56:59.544Z","text":"只显示一次","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e8d5005dddc78d5f621","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8a251baf6dcc7c7dc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e8d5005dddc78d5f621","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3055293ba515cbb88b6a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":187,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T02:57:56.222Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3055293ba515cbb88b6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qdb6eb2b30cfedcd173a2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":188,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:58:50.400Z","text":"［用户 hon***］ ［用户 sar***］ ［用户 ntp***］ 凡是有投资的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb6eb2b30cfedcd173a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q033502e155a271836980","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":189,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:58:55.153Z","text":"在没收令后","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q033502e155a271836980","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q97bd514eff4e20f088f5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":190,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:59:05.250Z","text":"都可以发动议 让luc上听证会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97bd514eff4e20f088f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb5f9140fe17b70706104","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":191,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T02:59:12.006Z","text":"因为luc带领这些人 来非法抢钱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5f9140fe17b70706104","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qfa5ae6bc7127f645bb06","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":192,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T03:03:07.488Z","text":"一个人在失望里徘徊，不是有病就是有其他目的....郭先生表示自己非常震惊，也极度失望？😆 😆 😆 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa5ae6bc7127f645bb06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q214281b4e72d1d897e49","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":193,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T03:03:19.304Z","text":"这是谁写的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q214281b4e72d1d897e49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc626688d230a48bb6755","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":194,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-15T03:12:44.572Z","text":"都以为别人不会查公开信息，Mdc有非常严格的对外联系限制，而且这帮人还是检方文件里的共犯，能相信老郭电话的，只能说是没有常识","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b691bf83c7b8f143ac7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc626688d230a48bb6755","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b691bf83c7b8f143ac7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q0ce377da25d4ca0e5d64","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":195,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T03:13:42.336Z","text":"我更关心，他们编这个电话的目的是什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc626688d230a48bb6755","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ce377da25d4ca0e5d64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc626688d230a48bb6755","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8017f8ceda8c12fed91d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":196,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-15T03:13:50.303Z","text":"维稳","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8017f8ceda8c12fed91d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q58e79edfd8c34a8224dc","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":197,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-15T03:14:13.311Z","text":"维稳加骗钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58e79edfd8c34a8224dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb5c4703a6c9a0470ed2e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":198,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T03:14:20.263Z","text":"让大家给郭写信不要提TDCCP，不要抱怨。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5c4703a6c9a0470ed2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q76fde69041d11ed957c0","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":199,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-15T03:14:30.998Z","text":"然后混淆视听","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76fde69041d11ed957c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe42264bdd4d5b2f92280","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":200,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T03:18:55.899Z","text":"继续忽悠支持联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ce377da25d4ca0e5d64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe42264bdd4d5b2f92280","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ce377da25d4ca0e5d64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000014","next_batch_id":"batch-000016"}