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him***］  继续忽悠摸摸币割韭菜","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde22183b8d979d684131","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q07d7788503ba161f37cc","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":202,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T03:30:04.389Z","text":"几月几号","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e8d5005dddc78d5f621","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07d7788503ba161f37cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e8d5005dddc78d5f621","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q370ebd3906bccec26445","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":203,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T03:31:38.918Z","text":"这很简单看破啊 新一波 联盟要上位。必须有 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反正他也没投资","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8024ec54ecfb4b8e104e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc4e857dcf17a15d5f84c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":210,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T03:52:35.282Z","text":"我跟朋友把螺丝哥观点讲了。他说 你是高人。他也没想到😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4e857dcf17a15d5f84c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9d65da9c1c49f6e9fef1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":211,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T03:54:17.641Z","text":"一群傻子 到现在还没认识到 严重性。还不知道对自己的伤害😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3904d33ef1021026627f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d65da9c1c49f6e9fef1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q72ee030a86fd59d554b6","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":212,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T04:06:58.126Z","text":"不是等别人上。是根本没人看懂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2aced2c5715629683b1e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72ee030a86fd59d554b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5936cb60de39d1649d1a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":213,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T04:11:18.287Z","text":"能他吗 像我和瑞哥这样 看懂联盟这群骗子的就没几个。更别说去看法庭文件了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5936cb60de39d1649d1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa1e65433eb62bcee339c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":214,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T04:12:44.169Z","text":"ccp没银子了。需要维稳的地方太多。轮不到你😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38ea53081b470a06edd8","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1e65433eb62bcee339c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qca01c8acac0ae377847a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":215,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T04:17:28.673Z","text":"他说他看得门清，我说他蠢得掉渣。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3904d33ef1021026627f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca01c8acac0ae377847a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qae1ffcfe0c341fd6c99f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":216,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T04:19:09.716Z","text":"你是啥 过程？先自诉 再驳回 再自诉？ 你跟法官之间","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c526a9245a34025a754","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae1ffcfe0c341fd6c99f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe5cf299bc2635cb2ddf2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":217,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T04:26:33.436Z","text":"是的。留在法庭比较好","edited":false,"reply_to":"q356d24c546ba24f78e24","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5cf299bc2635cb2ddf2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3bef334060cf2e5e91b5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":218,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T04:28:45.209Z","text":"https://x.com/dff386090/status/1923742304663200164?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bef334060cf2e5e91b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf4c43c0b95fbb46f63f5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":219,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T04:29:28.151Z","text":"这个q [屏蔽词]。七哥 什么智慧 会被糖平 骗？ 天天 瞎几把扯","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4c43c0b95fbb46f63f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q914c9744831115c07bee","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":220,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-15T04:30:22.395Z","text":"不留在法庭上，小命可能不保啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q914c9744831115c07bee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q96588f58ea52735276a5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":221,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T04:41:29.521Z","text":"总算明白了，你阴差阳错，无可奈何地当上了一名光荣的受害者。结果，你成了受害者里面的九层妖塔，让检方吃到了一只大苍蝇。\n这个逻辑俺也只能在这个群里说一说。对群外面的人说就是对牛弹琴。\n我也是才搞明白的。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qba7cd108a4850fe82042","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96588f58ea52735276a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q175bf89f74a007518945","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":222,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T04:45:03.243Z","text":"法官 检方已经演不下去了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q175bf89f74a007518945","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5b812b53636c735a0beb","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":223,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T04:45:08.433Z","text":"只能拖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b812b53636c735a0beb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q167d6034e3331dc868ee","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":224,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T04:45:10.175Z","text":"踢皮球","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q167d6034e3331dc868ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q581b85dc30bd86cb05ba","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":225,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T04:45:14.696Z","text":"他这个没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q581b85dc30bd86cb05ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd646ccaddcab6325e7c3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":226,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T04:45:18.329Z","text":"根本就不敢开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd646ccaddcab6325e7c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q56c0a9400208a7865733","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":227,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-15T05:03:00.916Z","text":"第三方在法庭上，可以说和我一模一样的内容","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56c0a9400208a7865733","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb9ddb983eb5e20b66019","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":228,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T05:04:54.297Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56c0a9400208a7865733","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9ddb983eb5e20b66019","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56c0a9400208a7865733","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd241fd9d72618e87c60d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":229,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T05:48:07.893Z","text":"我准备说luc听证会 申辩双方都要出席","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56c0a9400208a7865733","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd241fd9d72618e87c60d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56c0a9400208a7865733","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf48a3b4cfa1cd48e4224","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":230,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T05:53:16.265Z","text":"左媛这个墙头草也开始胆敢质疑联盟了。墙倒众人推。青藤快歇菜了。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48a3b4cfa1cd48e4224","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q378e6a0e0275f301dafa","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":231,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:14:24.198Z","text":"她也发现她被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf48a3b4cfa1cd48e4224","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q378e6a0e0275f301dafa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf48a3b4cfa1cd48e4224","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q1ae293d3e3c856ffcd2d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":232,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:14:41.438Z","text":"把她带去mdc门口等了三小时","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ae293d3e3c856ffcd2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qdf56bc1b8224230ef4f5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":233,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:14:52.467Z","text":"里面能确定他们去见七哥了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf56bc1b8224230ef4f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7490844b1bd1886e1597","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":234,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:15:08.272Z","text":"左援又怎嚒知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7490844b1bd1886e1597","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qdefd3a736d6e675032a9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":235,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T06:17:44.521Z","text":"她是配合说谎的。她跟联盟成员接触那么多，她应该比我们更清楚这些人的勾当。她因为长得太老太丑，以长像很难吸引到观众、骗到观众，所以CCP安排她一直不露脸直播。这是我合理瞎猜的哈。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdefd3a736d6e675032a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6752c17fd2f873a44be9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":236,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:18:12.260Z","text":"我倒是觉得她不是配合说谎 而是看她蠢 利用她🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdefd3a736d6e675032a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6752c17fd2f873a44be9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdefd3a736d6e675032a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6fbedde0d3cbc0fb1810","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":237,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T06:19:38.730Z","text":"她报道的MDC也是遮遮掩掩，什么还有第三个人一起去了，但是没有看清楚是谁。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fbedde0d3cbc0fb1810","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa77132972747094dbde4","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":238,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T06:20:59.670Z","text":"她绝对不会一个好鸟！\n如果傻，也是故意装傻的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa77132972747094dbde4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qbe8b15b0eaf5a4383b18","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":239,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T06:23:41.485Z","text":"她那么怕露脸，可是又偏偏要参加各种线下活动，现在才发现，这些线下活动基本上都是坑。她完全可以不参加的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe8b15b0eaf5a4383b18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q199c22ea7816c333bfc3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":240,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T06:26:17.061Z","text":"她如果真心要帮老郭，她也去了庭审，难道她就没看出异常？直播的很多东西不属实她怎么就没说过呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q199c22ea7816c333bfc3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qbaa9405e4c81b1dda8e3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":241,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T06:27:47.578Z","text":"难道她去就是为了打鸡血？无罪释放变成9项罪名成立？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaa9405e4c81b1dda8e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe4d0a37a3e24d3cbe9b6","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":242,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:30:04.587Z","text":"你看左援 和青藤去了之后 依然反联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":"q199c22ea7816c333bfc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4d0a37a3e24d3cbe9b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q199c22ea7816c333bfc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qfb7029edff62c54c46a7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":243,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:30:08.801Z","text":"就是钱没给够","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb7029edff62c54c46a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9a34d4c48dc42f55269e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":244,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T06:31:08.558Z","text":"那些露脸直播的没有一个是安好心的。Jessica 的庭审花絮我一期不落。我真被他们骗瘸了。最后小羊还想骗我，但是这次他只成功了一半 。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a34d4c48dc42f55269e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qfe8d83f27c525dee6a56","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":245,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:31:50.040Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 如果按照你的理论 这个没收程序估计不可能开","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe8d83f27c525dee6a56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf9783777765631585278","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":246,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:31:59.486Z","text":"因为一旦没收 我们就捅篓子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9783777765631585278","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb1c7724d2d9d4b3d91cb","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":247,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:32:11.790Z","text":"如果他们一再拖延没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1c7724d2d9d4b3d91cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q70f5c2c81b51e7a40a39","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":248,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:32:22.554Z","text":"基本就可以作实你的理论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70f5c2c81b51e7a40a39","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q33b4d868fb25f3173670","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":249,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:32:54.916Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  对于你理论的核心： 债权人非法 这案子就不成立，法官居然对你这个论点轻描淡写？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33b4d868fb25f3173670","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5ba1a46461a6edc401e8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":250,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:33:02.817Z","text":"这确实加大了我的怀疑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ba1a46461a6edc401e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q902b1e446265fb64e169","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":251,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-15T06:45:03.621Z","text":"不开启没收程序，就无法量刑。检方必须开启没收程序。老郭不表态，那检方就挑明为什么这些钱和老郭有关系，把破产案摆到明面上。所以，一旦检方把破产案挑明，接下来才是大战。那些傻战友，也会醒来一批。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe8d83f27c525dee6a56","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q902b1e446265fb64e169","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe8d83f27c525dee6a56","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qeb95ae4fb511f87c737a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":252,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:45:32.427Z","text":"所以，检方最好的策略，就是别去量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q902b1e446265fb64e169","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb95ae4fb511f87c737a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q902b1e446265fb64e169","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa8beafd56614bc4cab44","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":253,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:45:42.461Z","text":"把这个事情闷死在锅里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8beafd56614bc4cab44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9800c99d1460919a196c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":254,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:45:54.114Z","text":"拖半年再量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9800c99d1460919a196c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q4e6b63e0830a40f8e72f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":255,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:46:10.911Z","text":"而我们搞事的时间点 在没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e6b63e0830a40f8e72f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf8081037bf386b71ff68","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":256,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:46:24.914Z","text":"所以 检方最好的办法 真实是不要没收","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8081037bf386b71ff68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q78a7e92065c407c43246","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":257,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:46:28.614Z","text":"想尽办法拖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78a7e92065c407c43246","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9f1b27e846730f3e896c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":258,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-15T06:48:33.003Z","text":"检方不继续，老郭律师就会崔促。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf8081037bf386b71ff68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f1b27e846730f3e896c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8081037bf386b71ff68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q4cf3aaccc331a5baab64","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":259,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:52:54.699Z","text":"所以 一来二回","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f1b27e846730f3e896c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cf3aaccc331a5baab64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f1b27e846730f3e896c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6b1668e2d120df511b3a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":260,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:52:58.328Z","text":"拖俩月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b1668e2d120df511b3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc676c5f294166b8dd5b1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":261,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:54:54.681Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  今天himam提醒我 我最在意的一件事 就是法官对你那个动议的态度","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc676c5f294166b8dd5b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5d88db7ebfdfd0bd8e3b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":262,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:55:03.302Z","text":"你说 债权人程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d88db7ebfdfd0bd8e3b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8dcd4249eb2580030043","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":263,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:55:15.526Z","text":"这个案子就没根据了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8dcd4249eb2580030043","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7dc80cdebdb66635232d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":264,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T06:55:36.189Z","text":"法官居然啥都不说 也不怼你？？？ ［用户 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再搞三个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2161a2ff609f18e40ee7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf7eb7c468eefc5928d53","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":286,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T07:06:05.967Z","text":"辩方很难有什么牌说实话...","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7eb7c468eefc5928d53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5f82c2295a0845c52323","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":287,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:06:07.555Z","text":"开没收令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f82c2295a0845c52323","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q781b5468b31047e2900c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":288,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T07:06:08.919Z","text":"好的好的，我们抓紧，一句话就打发了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q781b5468b31047e2900c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q35fd6ae6ac25fc8791c7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":289,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T07:06:15.344Z","text":"不过我的话不中听，不必采信","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35fd6ae6ac25fc8791c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q330739b497234612cf53","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":290,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:06:28.247Z","text":"所以检方一定会拖","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q330739b497234612cf53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe7882db70fc169bd1acb","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":291,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:06:37.489Z","text":"但这个拖最多几个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7882db70fc169bd1acb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q50e926716b1e8d3a1f15","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":292,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:06:50.398Z","text":"你不可能拖半年没收令都不开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50e926716b1e8d3a1f15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa99a8af50cac317c75be","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":293,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T07:07:48.717Z","text":"Luc不出来，检方没法证明钱和郭的关系，Luc出来，检方随时可能猝死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa99a8af50cac317c75be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q27bf03f569a506006930","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":294,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:08:02.037Z","text":"就是如此","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa99a8af50cac317c75be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27bf03f569a506006930","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa99a8af50cac317c75be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2016a81831a8e1e6b022","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":295,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:08:08.221Z","text":"luc还真有可能被做掉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2016a81831a8e1e6b022","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7a5d7363bc37307ce4e9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":296,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:08:10.039Z","text":"说实话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a5d7363bc37307ce4e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc0fab74399862620189c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":297,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T07:08:28.767Z","text":"不用做掉，换掉受托人就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0fab74399862620189c","reply_url":null,"reply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不难","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q948a7495e622eaaf0c52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q73a8921485621dbed195","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":310,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:10:19.842Z","text":"就是检方和中共配合","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a7a0561a809b3986fcf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73a8921485621dbed195","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a7a0561a809b3986fcf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q64e72640ad3ac5ef440a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":311,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T07:10:44.851Z","text":"如果Luc被做掉，算不算欲盖弥彰？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e72640ad3ac5ef440a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7b3fa526465863f05606","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":312,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T07:11:03.397Z","text":"跟喜和一样的，不敢轻易动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b3fa526465863f05606","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8a02f91d90018af15af2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":313,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:11:03.746Z","text":"那对我们是大赢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64e72640ad3ac5ef440a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a02f91d90018af15af2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e72640ad3ac5ef440a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa494b4d9284f51747ab3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":314,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:11:08.526Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa494b4d9284f51747ab3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3a40ecb25e2bff09aff7","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":315,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:11:19.513Z","text":"哦不对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a40ecb25e2bff09aff7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd323ccd93bdcdfe42cbd","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":316,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:11:24.806Z","text":"螺丝哥他们不敢动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd323ccd93bdcdfe42cbd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q7048a53f8f857d0f9e80","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":317,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T07:11:41.470Z","text":"是因为动了 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一起搞成Rico 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背後普衡在陸家嘴有公司，做的都是國有資產併購的幾十億幾百億的案子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd323e7c0b88d9676e7cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q1644a63caf7730ffd3b8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":347,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T09:16:44.615Z","text":"你这么说就没人能联系律师了，都是局中人。就算在名单上也是被别人利用成受害人的，不是自己主观意愿\n ［用户 him***］ \nhttps://x.com/haier918/status/1944891403508551863?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1644a63caf7730ffd3b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q51430f629aae857ea31e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":348,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T10:29:08.649Z","text":"是的。这个我支持螺丝哥","edited":false,"reply_to":"qed1a576a9ac7dfb1ba84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51430f629aae857ea31e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed1a576a9ac7dfb1ba84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2dbab648302d32292369","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":349,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T10:30:41.713Z","text":"我预想。普横被吊销执照，luc 来找老郭和解。老郭不同意 反击才开始","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6533877d8ed526b2820e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dbab648302d32292369","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qaf9880f9b4fcf6663528","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":350,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T10:36:39.625Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/1944820397654040956?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf9880f9b4fcf6663528","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q18d7b31ec7aa0197067c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":351,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T10:36:55.121Z","text":"他们 想钱 想疯了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18d7b31ec7aa0197067c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3777e3ebfa2fec8e5e74","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":352,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T10:37:04.650Z","text":"被利用的不承认自己是受害者的人，可以联系检方取消，但是也等于你放弃了所有受害者的权利","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1644a63caf7730ffd3b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3777e3ebfa2fec8e5e74","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1644a63caf7730ffd3b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q4a0fe384e22f0883f688","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":353,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T10:37:16.311Z","text":"想用老郭名义 卖歌赚钱😂 不是有没有音准。根本不是七哥作曲。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a0fe384e22f0883f688","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q8d0929268afd643223a8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":354,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T10:38:58.974Z","text":"他们的套路 总是被我秒识破🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d0929268afd643223a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qedb2664e21823d4f49b6","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":355,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-15T10:41:08.634Z","text":"又有一批韭菜要被割了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedb2664e21823d4f49b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qfdbdf9f5b9869014693f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":356,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T10:47:58.386Z","text":"在你没有取消之前，你还在检方受害者名单上的话，那你是不能联系辩方律师的。但现在的问题是，如果你没有主动登记过，检方是不是可以把你放在受害者名单上。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1644a63caf7730ffd3b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdbdf9f5b9869014693f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1644a63caf7730ffd3b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q3052700c27dfa47d7e2c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":357,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T11:08:44.667Z","text":"程序不正义，当然可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfdbdf9f5b9869014693f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3052700c27dfa47d7e2c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdbdf9f5b9869014693f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q89838b83f4ffb71ddf29","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":358,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T11:11:28.226Z","text":"问题是被联盟欺骗误导被律师代理，算不算程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89838b83f4ffb71ddf29","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q519ac192252d316cce27","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":359,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T11:12:02.230Z","text":"小羊有一次直播说的对，是盖尔骗你了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q519ac192252d316cce27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9f3b6fda29a6748ca0f3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":360,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T11:12:22.816Z","text":"事实是联盟骗人了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f3b6fda29a6748ca0f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe237e8ce43e982e31b8c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":361,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T11:17:27.197Z","text":"这个肯定不算","edited":false,"reply_to":"q89838b83f4ffb71ddf29","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe237e8ce43e982e31b8c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89838b83f4ffb71ddf29","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qab6be82799e413a1a149","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":362,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T11:32:44.748Z","text":"你怎么知道？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab6be82799e413a1a149","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q213eff4b5394908309bf","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":363,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T11:33:48.722Z","text":"不在程序正义的定义范畴呗...","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q213eff4b5394908309bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q65b0db94c35a4fe9196e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":364,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T11:34:31.401Z","text":"你研究过？在这个群里别信口开河","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65b0db94c35a4fe9196e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc3e596f5b4edf6198f62","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":365,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T11:35:14.328Z","text":"程序正义这块儿？这个大致我是明白的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3e596f5b4edf6198f62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qedceb7dfa6a9c6984d5d","batch_id":"batch-0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sentencing hearing can occur before the forfeiture of a convicted person's assets. Forfeiture, in the context of criminal law, is a separate legal process that may be initiated before, during, or after a criminal trial and sentencing. While a judge may order forfeiture as part of the sentence, the forfeiture proceeding itself is distinct and may involve a separate hearing to determine ownership or other issues.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5445f2264073523412a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5b57b2d1d9a853899cb3","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":371,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T12:30:32.623Z","text":"Forfeiture proceedings are often separate from the criminal case, even if they are related to the same crime. This means a judge can impose a sentence and then, in a separate proceeding, determine whether to order forfeiture of specific assets.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b57b2d1d9a853899cb3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qadbb982b0a1722f3ce48","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":372,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T12:31:02.757Z","text":"这是我查的Ai回答，但确实不在我法律知识储备内，不知道准不准","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadbb982b0a1722f3ce48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qac6d5c8d20199972f388","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":373,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-15T12:31:30.339Z","text":"5. 实际案例中的流程以联邦刑事诈骗案件为例，流程可能如下：被告被控诈骗罪（例如，邮件诈骗或电汇诈骗，18 U.S.C. § 1341 或 § 1343）。\n被告认罪或被陪审团定罪。\n法院安排没收听证会，确定应没收的财产（例如，银行账户中的诈骗所得）。\n在量刑听证会上，法官综合考虑没收金额、赔偿要求、联邦量刑指南等，决定最终刑罚（监禁、罚款、缓刑等）。\n\n6. 总结在美国的刑事诈骗案件中，没收程序和量刑没有绝对固定的先后顺序，但通常：刑事没收在定罪后、量刑前或量刑期间进行；\n民事没收可能与刑事案件并行，独立于量刑；\n没收的财产可能影响量刑中的赔偿金额或刑罚的轻重；\n具体流程因联邦或州法律、案件复杂性以及法院安排而异。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac6d5c8d20199972f388","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc05bcc6ed2702229c9d6","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":374,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T12:31:58.066Z","text":"按逻辑想，应该不太可能一定要开启没收才能量刑，这个没有道理可言","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc05bcc6ed2702229c9d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc9f0beec9a3a1c84fb7b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":375,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T12:32:13.265Z","text":"两个区块是分开的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9f0beec9a3a1c84fb7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qce4ca54662523bd01531","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":376,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-15T12:32:54.266Z","text":"王艳萍认罪了，所以，认罪后甚至服刑后才没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce4ca54662523bd01531","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qe51eb71332d4ab304c03","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":377,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-15T12:33:09.011Z","text":"郭不认罪。你不可能先量刑。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51eb71332d4ab304c03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q75b12a53eec7a88a1ca5","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":378,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T12:33:42.404Z","text":"量刑不一定非要认罪，陪审团定罪就可以量刑。你查下","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe51eb71332d4ab304c03","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75b12a53eec7a88a1ca5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51eb71332d4ab304c03","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd4db6e431ef206b859a1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":379,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T12:33:54.857Z","text":"两者占一即可","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4db6e431ef206b859a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf997531964a309f6161a","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":380,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T12:34:27.222Z","text":"不是不认罪，是七哥不承认没收资产跟自己有关","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce4ca54662523bd01531","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf997531964a309f6161a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce4ca54662523bd01531","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q75c1a145ab5300a8097c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":381,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T12:34:52.421Z","text":"没主的钱怎么没收？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75c1a145ab5300a8097c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf0c0727daa526571452c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":382,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-15T12:41:57.069Z","text":"你这个是对的，迟迟不没收的原因是郭不承认那部分资产。跟他诈骗案那块儿的陪审团裁定有罪、进入量刑步骤，没关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf997531964a309f6161a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0c0727daa526571452c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf997531964a309f6161a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qf1d359756b05e2e98379","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":383,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T12:55:09.069Z","text":"你的段位太高，说话太简洁了。我得细细地消化你的话：我觉得你这四个字“开没收令”的深层含义就是说，辩方其实完全有牌可打，就是催促检方开没收令，而被告又坚决不承认钱跟他有关，所以这个没收令迟迟开不出来，除非检方挑明这笔钱是来自于破产清算，这下就有好戏看了。辩方催、检方拖的结果，检方不得不挑明前句话的内容。这个案件的荒谬才开始暴露。文贵现在开始了真正的反击。难怪现为青藤开始说文贵现在的处境很惨：在MDC吃的东西发霉、吃不饱。青藤伪联盟的话必须反着听。😂\n检方这种官僚机构其实也是应付，他们不一定很在乎输赢；而我们很在乎！而且文贵有王炸牌可打。\n我这样解读的对吗？😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f82c2295a0845c52323","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1d359756b05e2e98379","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f82c2295a0845c52323","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qa475ef87f87950421716","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":384,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T12:57:20.935Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1d359756b05e2e98379","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa475ef87f87950421716","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1d359756b05e2e98379","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd38a5fc73dc29f6eb6d9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":385,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T12:57:46.615Z","text":"我认为没收令不可能下来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd38a5fc73dc29f6eb6d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q5386fc7c598c4106e699","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":386,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T12:58:03.503Z","text":"因为就算你法官强判","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5386fc7c598c4106e699","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd957707782c1e523ee1d","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":387,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T12:58:19.427Z","text":"第三方开启后 也会被我们捣乱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd957707782c1e523ee1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q77fac25b7e4d10c0569b","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":388,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T12:58:58.531Z","text":"法官倒是有可能 先对一小部分无关紧要的财产进行没收 这个期间取消第三方动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fac25b7e4d10c0569b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q03661eb8382e784cfeb1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":389,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T12:59:12.305Z","text":"不知道是不是可以这样 比如几块钱 几十块钱的那种","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03661eb8382e784cfeb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q15f16234f113a36e7319","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":390,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T13:04:25.716Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  没收令根本下不来 如果要下来 只有一种情况 就是法官强判","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15f16234f113a36e7319","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q9fd6ae777da1c0fc157c","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":391,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T13:04:49.707Z","text":"但只要第三方一打开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fd6ae777da1c0fc157c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q6d790c4d852b3466838e","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":392,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T13:04:56.529Z","text":"直接就上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d790c4d852b3466838e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q2429d0a3b637532edef8","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":393,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-15T13:05:30.041Z","text":"没懂，青藤说郭吃发霉的东西，是什么意思？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1d359756b05e2e98379","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2429d0a3b637532edef8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1d359756b05e2e98379","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd8ce06c479afe83698d1","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":394,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-15T13:05:49.258Z","text":"唉，你们都太高深了，我必须仔细研究上下文，才会搞明白你的意思。初看我还以为你接到瑞恩的什么任务，要赶紧办什么事情。原来你说的是检方会继续搞拖字诀，说“好的好的，我们抓紧。”这样的一句官僚话就打发了。他们的官僚作风才不在乎文贵继续被关押多久呢。\n我写的东西一般都很长，因为怕产生歧义。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q781b5468b31047e2900c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8ce06c479afe83698d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q781b5468b31047e2900c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qc13c94956f617e82245f","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":395,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T13:06:09.834Z","text":"第三方一打开，法官就可以把球踢到曼宁脚下去了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15f16234f113a36e7319","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc13c94956f617e82245f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15f16234f113a36e7319","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qd00963d00bcab41168a4","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":396,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T13:06:46.648Z","text":"所以 我在第三方动议里面要写 要求luc开听证会 就在刑事庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc13c94956f617e82245f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd00963d00bcab41168a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc13c94956f617e82245f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q54fe1aa333bad4b3bfd9","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":397,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T13:07:09.457Z","text":"必须认真听讲😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd8ce06c479afe83698d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54fe1aa333bad4b3bfd9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8ce06c479afe83698d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"qb46f7b5409d5c860cea2","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":398,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T13:08:11.554Z","text":"所以，初步没收令还是有可能下来的，目前托雷斯有主动权","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd00963d00bcab41168a4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46f7b5409d5c860cea2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd00963d00bcab41168a4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q61d245a48651bf5c6e85","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":399,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-15T13:09:11.344Z","text":"如果强判，她就被动了，成了检方的同党了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61d245a48651bf5c6e85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"},{"id":"q00ea9ec6a5d638cf6898","batch_id":"batch-000015","seq":400,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-15T13:09:14.702Z","text":"下来但不开第三方  有这个可能吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb46f7b5409d5c860cea2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00ea9ec6a5d638cf6898","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46f7b5409d5c860cea2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000015"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000014","next_batch_id":"batch-000016"}