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包括法庭文件 全都非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e1c485894ba13b1bbdb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q5d83487361d876fc9f95","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":202,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-20T14:00:18.524Z","text":"检方完全不懂中文吧？他们怎么找到老郭视频的？还能精准找到这句？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ccd74e1b27abd493007","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d83487361d876fc9f95","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ccd74e1b27abd493007","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q01ec16741b6d8b151cec","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":203,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:00:36.877Z","text":"伪类提供的呗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d83487361d876fc9f95","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01ec16741b6d8b151cec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d83487361d876fc9f95","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q014c9d86236848ec7158","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":204,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:02:44.899Z","text":"法官说的干扰司法是指直播后，但是郭登记干扰司法的话同样Luc的登记也是干扰司法啊，反过来说法庭接受luc就必须接受郭，是不是这个逻辑 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chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6531add49bd7ed74d8ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q014c9d86236848ec7158","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6531add49bd7ed74d8ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q390bc811ce8b93b38d00","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":205,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:09:09.068Z","text":"但是债权人已经把G系列跟郭绑定了，所以G系列受害者应该跟郭有关吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7d056b227fd5e065ffe6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q390bc811ce8b93b38d00","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d056b227fd5e065ffe6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q40a1833f089891b046c1","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":206,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:10:51.884Z","text":"🐦那会就在招募义工翻译剪辑大直播视频","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d83487361d876fc9f95","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40a1833f089891b046c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d83487361d876fc9f95","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2e53f20f87c48c57f3d0","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":207,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:16:01.352Z","text":"不是 这是两个事情","edited":false,"reply_to":"q014c9d86236848ec7158","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e53f20f87c48c57f3d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q014c9d86236848ec7158","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qdbd2ea123ef6eefc24a0","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":208,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:16:36.833Z","text":"从法庭文件看 郭文贵鼓动 这个动作 是干扰司法 所以从这一个文件 能确定的 就是直播后 那些都是干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbd2ea123ef6eefc24a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q68fb7ae3508776de41cd","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":209,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:16:56.937Z","text":"至于luc干扰司法 你接受拱卒就要接受其他人 就不是法庭文件里面的了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68fb7ae3508776de41cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qf6ff22c019b0b48334b2","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":210,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:17:03.979Z","text":"而是七哥情报","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ff22c019b0b48334b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfc8eaef892fa6344ce64","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":211,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:17:08.569Z","text":"我们先写法庭认定的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc8eaef892fa6344ce64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa6691cae561a8bf2ac56","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":212,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:19:34.980Z","text":"但是你这样没法打luc最早接受的的那部分债权人，也就没法推翻抓人程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6691cae561a8bf2ac56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q927d1f792b98a617020a","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":213,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:19:51.068Z","text":"如果债权人90%都是郭直播后登记的 郭鼓动债权人已经被判干扰司法 那么也就只剩下10%的债权人合法了 这些合法的债权人 有多少是g系列投资者重合的身份 所以这样算下来 受害者就只有10%债权人里面的g系列投资者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q390bc811ce8b93b38d00","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q927d1f792b98a617020a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q390bc811ce8b93b38d00","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q0dbf7ee450b17e9b0f23","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":214,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:20:08.124Z","text":"所以 这个就要提出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6691cae561a8bf2ac56","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dbf7ee450b17e9b0f23","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6691cae561a8bf2ac56","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd1c8ba983fc13b41139b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":215,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:20:33.048Z","text":"要问辩方律师 让他们去问老郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1c8ba983fc13b41139b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa3517f8800da3045c3e7","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":216,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:20:39.533Z","text":"和luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3517f8800da3045c3e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe1ab7844f6f22dca7b50","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":217,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:20:56.587Z","text":"是不是明知拱卒作假你们还接受","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1ab7844f6f22dca7b50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q57aacaa2177eef25e46b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":218,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:21:19.515Z","text":"如果是 那再问检方 你既然看了这个视频 你掐头去尾是在搞什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aacaa2177eef25e46b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcb9335addb01dfa38f30","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":219,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:21:35.857Z","text":"这两者 直接构成毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb9335addb01dfa38f30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc959e2b8c841c1c87ee8","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":220,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:22:14.066Z","text":"也就是说 检方忽略了 债权人能全部作废的信息","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc959e2b8c841c1c87ee8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qf670bcd0c5f7191331bb","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":221,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:22:37.350Z","text":"然后我们赌一个东西：而债权人 就是原始受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf670bcd0c5f7191331bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qb491aea1ec23f65c8aba","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":222,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:22:52.879Z","text":"这两者 直接构成毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb491aea1ec23f65c8aba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qba49359d7ff97f740090","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":223,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:23:04.372Z","text":"导致老郭被错误抓捕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba49359d7ff97f740090","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa915325164a852d8144b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":224,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-20T14:24:00.906Z","text":"你老公眼神挺好的😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1041eac5f377963567ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa915325164a852d8144b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1041eac5f377963567ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q57b162c514a3bfbd8115","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":225,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:25:26.850Z","text":"其实最最关键是这个","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf670bcd0c5f7191331bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57b162c514a3bfbd8115","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf670bcd0c5f7191331bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qdbed2c4e6e0dc4b536d9","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":226,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:25:35.045Z","text":"我相信老郭说的不会有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbed2c4e6e0dc4b536d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcbb24ef2efae951cd992","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":227,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:29:03.202Z","text":"这个luc不会承认的，他会找各种理由","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe1ab7844f6f22dca7b50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbb24ef2efae951cd992","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1ab7844f6f22dca7b50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qb4268f551cb679efb105","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":228,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:29:20.191Z","text":"Luc不承认怎么办？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57aacaa2177eef25e46b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4268f551cb679efb105","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aacaa2177eef25e46b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qbc9435ea6b09eeec3e76","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":229,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:29:31.885Z","text":"不承认也没关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4268f551cb679efb105","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc9435ea6b09eeec3e76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4268f551cb679efb105","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4d170c866e09e5b9bf83","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":230,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:29:42.390Z","text":"检方你故意忽略老郭视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d170c866e09e5b9bf83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd8aeac8b6394e2ed6ce7","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":231,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:30:09.220Z","text":"有可能唯一能阻止老郭被错误逮捕的信息","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8aeac8b6394e2ed6ce7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q46439745cd8593175eea","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":232,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:30:19.239Z","text":"这个就不是第三方能管的了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46439745cd8593175eea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q75de4395c4aebf7e086f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":233,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:30:21.613Z","text":"只要经过查证 拱卒是虚假的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75de4395c4aebf7e086f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q290b3f0fd1915f0e4b41","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":234,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:30:27.878Z","text":"可以管","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46439745cd8593175eea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q290b3f0fd1915f0e4b41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46439745cd8593175eea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q6c4ece4b19270045a798","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":235,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:31:02.787Z","text":"因为我的最终目的是 由于毒树之果 把315之后所有受害者 都定义为不能要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c4ece4b19270045a798","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q6297b7881367bc9e03db","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":236,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:31:13.484Z","text":"我提出这些  不是想干其他的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6297b7881367bc9e03db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q92357a13a25e6e6dad4c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":237,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:31:27.104Z","text":"就是为了减少不合法的人来跟我抢钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92357a13a25e6e6dad4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q8e2f99ef14e40c599cb5","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":238,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:31:57.261Z","text":"指出程序漏洞 排除不合法索赔 这个在第三方的范围内","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e2f99ef14e40c599cb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q63286d2335f66d76e63e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":239,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:35:18.969Z","text":"这个理解，但是怎么干掉Luc最早那批债权人，我还是没理解，通过检方没尽布雷迪义务？这个不是第三方的事，虽然影响你的钱的安全，但感觉绕的有点远","edited":false,"reply_to":"q92357a13a25e6e6dad4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63286d2335f66d76e63e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92357a13a25e6e6dad4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfdad6c0d47ada8cb52c5","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":240,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:38:39.598Z","text":"［用户 hon***］ 在吗？你朋友是通过 Brad@这个邮箱联系盖尔的吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd56fda95c0b59d223a67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdad6c0d47ada8cb52c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd56fda95c0b59d223a67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q98479f48950040e06b08","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":241,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:45:12.523Z","text":"布雷迪不能提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63286d2335f66d76e63e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98479f48950040e06b08","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63286d2335f66d76e63e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q7e95e1de282cdc0e464e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":242,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:45:38.391Z","text":"最早那批 可能要辩方律师配合 用布雷迪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e95e1de282cdc0e464e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q12126a794f791686befa","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":243,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:46:48.534Z","text":"你说的对 luc可能不承认 检方估计也不承认是故意遗漏 所以我只能说是怀疑是毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4268f551cb679efb105","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12126a794f791686befa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4268f551cb679efb105","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q628e9d0f986798dbc89e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":244,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:47:00.904Z","text":"因为没法证明他们故意还是有意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q628e9d0f986798dbc89e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qdf90f01fff7af5f068f9","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":245,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:47:25.173Z","text":"但这个时候 辩方律师可以跳出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf90f01fff7af5f068f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q919941bf9cb0cb382dc5","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":246,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T14:47:51.254Z","text":"这个有重大程序性错误 和布雷迪违反","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919941bf9cb0cb382dc5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q7aa2d698abfbd418b5e2","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":247,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-20T14:55:08.704Z","text":"是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfdad6c0d47ada8cb52c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa2d698abfbd418b5e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdad6c0d47ada8cb52c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9f32bac2598fed092cc4","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":248,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T14:57:55.986Z","text":"以你的身份，律师不能向你透露他们的辩护计划，对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf90f01fff7af5f068f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f32bac2598fed092cc4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf90f01fff7af5f068f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q79b410557f04acff9510","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":249,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T15:23:02.417Z","text":"你可能是参与债权人登记的唯一一个发起第三方介入的，一定抓住这次机会，搞好了就会有一群人跟风，那会luc就彻底傻眼了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79b410557f04acff9510","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4bfd9464dbe451263696","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":250,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-20T15:43:27.077Z","text":"妨碍司法这事主要是老班长他们干的  所以说他们跟郭是共谋吗 但是七哥后来发了一个盖特我记得 不让大家去登记债权人 还记得吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bfd9464dbe451263696","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q437cca0da5d6a897d536","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":251,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T15:48:58.175Z","text":"是亿万富翁那个吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q437cca0da5d6a897d536","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qb31ffa4009dac49a8050","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":252,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-20T15:50:23.693Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb31ffa4009dac49a8050","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1a1fcdebc6abdc43d143","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":253,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-20T15:50:47.166Z","text":"但也没说不让    luc不让他说 给他发禁令了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a1fcdebc6abdc43d143","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qbe31df57d8c096e25164","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":254,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-20T15:50:55.157Z","text":"说不坚定的赶紧去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe31df57d8c096e25164","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q7be476d32771c828861b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":255,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-20T15:51:49.158Z","text":"https://x.com/justice_trail/status/1816394527445508294?s=46&t=l2NUIo8cI2JTYp0oT_q5FQ","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7be476d32771c828861b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9ad3c0359635f0b5ce73","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":256,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-20T15:52:05.575Z","text":"老班长那会是这么忽悠大伙的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ad3c0359635f0b5ce73","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qabf9049ab979f8a4f0de","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":257,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-20T16:07:00.238Z","text":"无王无帝，这个人，你去他推下面，让他解释他自己发的帖子，你试试，他现在敢解释啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a1fcdebc6abdc43d143","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabf9049ab979f8a4f0de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a1fcdebc6abdc43d143","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q47c328fd0aa039d2f901","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":258,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-20T16:17:17.457Z","text":"说不定它很快会删贴。老班长的那段语音如何可以保存下来？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qabf9049ab979f8a4f0de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47c328fd0aa039d2f901","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabf9049ab979f8a4f0de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9762d090dd04b5427d85","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":259,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-20T16:19:12.796Z","text":"据说这张照片在某农场群里上传之后被秒删。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9762d090dd04b5427d85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q098814f33b4e54401082","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":260,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T16:30:55.281Z","text":"对的 当然不能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f32bac2598fed092cc4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q098814f33b4e54401082","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f32bac2598fed092cc4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd1c3f18a228210db5081","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":261,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-20T16:51:04.341Z","text":"这个只有局内人看得懂，跟法官说不清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb31ffa4009dac49a8050","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1c3f18a228210db5081","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb31ffa4009dac49a8050","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1d468f50a0369301edbe","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":262,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-20T22:15:31.224Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]同志搞的。去支持他","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d468f50a0369301edbe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1b3d7fba43f088d10d19","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":263,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T22:21:29.942Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  作为受害者 你是不是可以去问检方","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b3d7fba43f088d10d19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa8481466dd9ee2f21294","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":264,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T22:21:34.194Z","text":"初始受害人的问题？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8481466dd9ee2f21294","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q99c002ba7e3503fe2617","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":265,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-20T22:30:43.328Z","text":"检方不可能回答","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99c002ba7e3503fe2617","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qbbf9ef5bda7ff53921f0","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":266,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-20T22:38:43.073Z","text":"你这个思路不错  螺丝哥 可以去卧底","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b3d7fba43f088d10d19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbf9ef5bda7ff53921f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b3d7fba43f088d10d19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q76a0bac1867a6af62334","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":267,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-20T22:56:36.675Z","text":"受害者的权利👇","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76a0bac1867a6af62334","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9d5bb7807894dce0a337","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":268,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-20T23:07:14.327Z","text":"初始受害人，他们肯定不会告诉你的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d5bb7807894dce0a337","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q10baac462660e6970cf5","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":269,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:07:35.503Z","text":"那很好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10baac462660e6970cf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe7215f17acc86e9a303e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":270,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-20T23:07:37.507Z","text":"第三方只能谈和分财产有关的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7215f17acc86e9a303e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9d6f54ff9d9284828639","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":271,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:07:44.412Z","text":"我怀疑他们违反第四修正案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d6f54ff9d9284828639","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4adddb6b16dbee2d96e9","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":272,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:07:54.537Z","text":"种下毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4adddb6b16dbee2d96e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd8579c297aad529df059","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":273,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:08:17.695Z","text":"所以被逮捕有关的受害者 不得要钱 让他们去查 逮捕的时候受害者究竟是谁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8579c297aad529df059","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q51b3282b2000c1d5ee13","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":274,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:08:23.966Z","text":"如果就是债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51b3282b2000c1d5ee13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4b2d528a8b0f75765b44","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":275,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:08:43.448Z","text":"那毒树之果就成立了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b2d528a8b0f75765b44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q38ff858547f1383d0485","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":276,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:08:48.624Z","text":"他们必须回复","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38ff858547f1383d0485","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfaae41063226e3caf696","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":277,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-20T23:12:07.219Z","text":"现在的问题是，债权人在检方受害者名单上吗？虽然立案可能是因为债权人，但是没准这些人根本不在受害者名单上。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaae41063226e3caf696","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa693fa0ffb9b62faf3b6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":278,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-20T23:20:57.847Z","text":"现在看来这个案子想做成铁案是很难的，这一点他们应该一开始就知道？他们只是想让郭闭嘴几年？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa693fa0ffb9b62faf3b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe6a7bd0e15df28dbd854","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":279,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:21:07.883Z","text":"应该是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa693fa0ffb9b62faf3b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6a7bd0e15df28dbd854","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa693fa0ffb9b62faf3b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q30836998da91d9fde6b3","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":280,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-20T23:29:42.500Z","text":"检方掐头去尾可不是立案。是拒绝保释。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30836998da91d9fde6b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q141bbf1b5831565c033d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":281,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:30:00.788Z","text":"恩","edited":false,"reply_to":"q30836998da91d9fde6b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141bbf1b5831565c033d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30836998da91d9fde6b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfeed48fbcc7c2a2a60fa","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":282,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:30:09.781Z","text":"说明检方看了这个视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfeed48fbcc7c2a2a60fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q03c5cfe72a712bd0d7fb","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":283,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:30:15.926Z","text":"故意也不知道无意掐头去尾的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03c5cfe72a712bd0d7fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe62defa3136921bb281a","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":284,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:30:45.427Z","text":"所以 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检方就触犯了第四修正案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82021e710c61a0b27d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc98fdb2ffaa3a6b2b848","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":286,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-20T23:47:54.433Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/1947080633488191649?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc98fdb2ffaa3a6b2b848","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q6f05f86db2f1bfb73d57","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":287,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-20T23:53:30.501Z","text":"［用户 rui***］ 你能不能写： 这些假索赔人 或者债权人 导致的 这个案件 影响了我们投资人项目的发展，这个损失 要他们承担","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f05f86db2f1bfb73d57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd757f89df1b8abadd92a","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":288,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-20T23:58:49.907Z","text":"不能 没意义","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f05f86db2f1bfb73d57","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd757f89df1b8abadd92a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f05f86db2f1bfb73d57","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q7075c55d48637fc49744","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":289,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-21T00:00:03.342Z","text":"那怎么让共筑 付出代价？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7075c55d48637fc49744","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q956d138bb052220bf6a6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":290,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T00:04:45.814Z","text":"付出代价的是luc和检方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q956d138bb052220bf6a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe48149f4eeace0a911eb","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":291,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-21T00:11:56.178Z","text":"😂 那算了，[屏蔽词] 总有第二个 第三个共筑出现","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe48149f4eeace0a911eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1132e362c37a61f1ac75","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":292,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-21T00:12:04.661Z","text":"发不了财了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1132e362c37a61f1ac75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q12e049b3c46f98876bc7","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":293,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-21T00:15:27.823Z","text":"酱香饼的 女徒弟都举报 师傅了。海外华人 这种习气不收拾 不参与任何华人项目 保平安😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12e049b3c46f98876bc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q3de1133521f188e3656b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":294,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-21T01:37:43.949Z","text":"铁案老早办了，就是系统性的迫害","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa693fa0ffb9b62faf3b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3de1133521f188e3656b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa693fa0ffb9b62faf3b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa291810049d811a1bdf7","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":295,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-21T01:40:19.219Z","text":"到现在证据链，证人证词，资金性质，都无法在法律意义上的閉合，想鐵案，他們到真想，你們記得麼，大選前，味蕾都說老郭會被判","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa291810049d811a1bdf7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe70830e7dee045bf2cac","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":296,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-21T01:43:07.266Z","text":"肯定的，他的前律師被檢方以利益衝突否了，後面的律師王的態度180度，百分百诱供。前律师如今是第三巡回法庭法官","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb8af923f7eeabac699e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe70830e7dee045bf2cac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q708b3a0fbab23b0ef409","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":297,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-21T01:43:36.361Z","text":"其实追述王案是必须的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q708b3a0fbab23b0ef409","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe8a322e4c231bf2b1797","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":298,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-21T01:56:26.864Z","text":"这案子不管咋么说，要办成铁案很困难了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8a322e4c231bf2b1797","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q57e508a58fe486b8a9a2","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":299,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-21T02:01:02.271Z","text":"托雷斯不接受，就很難看了，為什麼不接受呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d23828936a6bdc37260","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57e508a58fe486b8a9a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfa4c81b1441085e2a5d6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":300,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-21T02:03:59.291Z","text":"誰知道機器人提到的證人Jenny 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gun***］ 报案人应该不会是债权人","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162445eb7dcac3226308","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd396077d3a112b54ebeb","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":308,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T02:13:34.919Z","text":"这里面的可能性 我再好好研究研究","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd396077d3a112b54ebeb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2db209880b05a2821a56","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":309,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T03:13:18.089Z","text":"这个里面 螺丝哥表达的意思我懂，但是不是概念有些问题？能不能提醒一下他？怕被人拿来说事，说反联盟；\n指控对象不应该是联盟农场，而应该是联盟委员会+农场主，也就是签合同的对象！\n\n战友组成农场、农场组成联盟 \n联盟农场是社区、是实体\n委员会+农场主是物业、是法人；\n战友是业主、是投资者\n\n业主 组成 社区    物业是 中介\n\n投资者 投资到 实体    法人是 中介\n\n犯法的是 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罪一定是具体到个人！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db209880b05a2821a56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q482d47fab57ddee635a4","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":310,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T03:14:15.291Z","text":"以上是我转发墙内战友的信息哈。请做参考。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q482d47fab57ddee635a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q50ec9d1a97bc284ada60","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":311,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T03:33:26.011Z","text":"托雷斯说了联盟农场是犯罪工具","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2db209880b05a2821a56","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ec9d1a97bc284ada60","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db209880b05a2821a56","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc2e770cfeb088d0332e6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":312,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T03:33:34.545Z","text":"但好像有个时效 就是老郭被抓前","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2e770cfeb088d0332e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q26be6decacaea00ffe8e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":313,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-21T03:43:17.328Z","text":"当然是联盟农场领导层是嫌疑共谋犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26be6decacaea00ffe8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa07dc435ab8208a87aa6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":314,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T04:02:19.065Z","text":"NFSC是个壳，好人坏人都想用。😀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa07dc435ab8208a87aa6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q925aa57ff461ada838e4","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":315,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:04:08.910Z","text":"是主谋 不是共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26be6decacaea00ffe8e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q925aa57ff461ada838e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26be6decacaea00ffe8e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qf7c1d5baa4db40ba346f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":316,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-21T04:04:09.927Z","text":"NFSC是文贵好不容易竖起来的一个旗，被坏人利用。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7c1d5baa4db40ba346f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q3a921f732ccb1d75b603","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":317,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:12:32.081Z","text":"说是共谋 听郭的指挥 共谋还有郭美郭强 喜交所那个余 老班长 长岛等人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a921f732ccb1d75b603","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qadb24126f5b57f6a390d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":318,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:14:25.572Z","text":"起诉书说的上千受害者  紧接着动议说上千受害者成潜在的了 还说还有几千潜在受害者 判决之后 又说上千受害者联系他们了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadb24126f5b57f6a390d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qaaa47a5ff3502312525e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":319,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:19:51.942Z","text":"所以就是一开始受害者是潜在的  是检察官主观认为的 判决完了 检方说上千受害者联系他们了 大家信政府的就成真受害者了 但他说联系了 应该拿出证据 确认受害者的损失是老郭造成的 而不是gtv 喜交所政府扣押造成的  受害者怎么认定自己 和钱怎么损失的没关系  除非受害者证明 郭拿了他的钱 那拿出证据 那肯定又拿不出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaa47a5ff3502312525e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcf58a792237d9f529736","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":320,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:21:18.325Z","text":"就是搅混水 我是受害者我拿不出来证据 郭怎么骗的我","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf58a792237d9f529736","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfab2cec893aca5ae0246","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":321,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:25:44.629Z","text":"比如喜交所 多少钱挪用了  那3000多万给郭美的贷款 如果是非法的 那破产法庭 不应该收这笔非法收入 应该把钱退回来 这属于受害者的 如果是合法的 那不应该在刑事案指控郭美这个事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfab2cec893aca5ae0246","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q03de9f00980b10bf5e0c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":322,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-21T04:26:37.105Z","text":"在下面问没有用，必须法庭上说才行。问题是法庭上没有人说这些。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03de9f00980b10bf5e0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q59943aff9ddeb33853e3","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":323,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:27:30.898Z","text":"分财产的时候 可以问 郭美那钱到底是合法的还是非法的  非法的就应该还回来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59943aff9ddeb33853e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe360ebc0394e1042321c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":324,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:33:47.632Z","text":"但那个钱好像是保证金 现在船已经没了  保证金也不退  luc一屁股屎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe360ebc0394e1042321c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q12474d0177b549903682","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":325,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:34:57.499Z","text":"具体破产案我不太清楚 反正郭美那3000多万 是luc整出来的事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12474d0177b549903682","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q35156362094a63960a7b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":326,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:56:21.350Z","text":"分财产这事还得看luc 他扣押那些东西 都在刑事起诉书里 他得承认那些都是非法的 把老郭做实了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35156362094a63960a7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q13b078739df045ecc1a5","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":327,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T04:58:09.698Z","text":"但是动议他们不回复这事 反正就是接着扣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13b078739df045ecc1a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qeaad88b41f1e9e59db2f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":328,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:00:15.042Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  我查了一下 还是有可能 初始受害人 是其他独立受害人的可能性","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeaad88b41f1e9e59db2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q330024ddb84f34a055ad","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":329,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:00:38.197Z","text":"所以我的动议会引用干扰司法和共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q330024ddb84f34a055ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa59f37d75a573d553892","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":330,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:00:57.207Z","text":"让检方公布 初始受害人 和债权人 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这是不是属于证据不足","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83262c0451e8ed82a54e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qaa6d1c51c4d0e778388f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":338,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T05:03:07.747Z","text":"投资者和受害者是两码事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa6d1c51c4d0e778388f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q38ac322bfda26c6287d2","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":339,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T05:03:10.647Z","text":"在法律上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38ac322bfda26c6287d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcdd34742eebcb5b29e20","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":340,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:03:49.014Z","text":"这个检方有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83262c0451e8ed82a54e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdd34742eebcb5b29e20","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83262c0451e8ed82a54e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qb8c94be398b980c81038","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":341,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:03:52.954Z","text":"但不知道怎么去监督","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8c94be398b980c81038","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q8eda9e82dfedd32c8e6f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":342,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T05:06:35.776Z","text":"感觉哪不对劲 没起诉之前 怎么找的上千人 说自己被郭给骗了 怎么骗的 都写出来  他们找的证人就说被骗了 但不提损失多少钱 就是主观觉得被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eda9e82dfedd32c8e6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q0c56361f254aa42fb409","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":343,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T05:08:23.761Z","text":"所以检方的受害者 就算写了 也是跟李亚那种证词差不多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c56361f254aa42fb409","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9c3f7cda60ae03539c16","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":344,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T05:10:05.581Z","text":"主观觉得被骗 应该也属于 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也不合理吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7df1d92a5b9d23a5a72e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8675192220f90eb9273c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7df1d92a5b9d23a5a72e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q71a2306f1bfea77045a4","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":347,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T05:17:01.823Z","text":"其实这些如果愿意看看庭审记录就一目了然，检方到底怎么论证的。现在去盲猜加推理他们怎么论证、意义不大，毕竟又不是事实本身不存在","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8675192220f90eb9273c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71a2306f1bfea77045a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8675192220f90eb9273c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q0be25537f3c40ec8d444","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":348,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T05:19:15.131Z","text":"我觉得各位还是把北美法律框架想的有点复杂了，其实它框架不那么复杂，难在细节和实操，检方的任务就是说服陪审团认为郭有罪，仅此而已，具体怎么说服的，他们有大量的自由选择权，不管在你看来多么“不合理”，只要合法，就刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0be25537f3c40ec8d444","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc08e4db836914753f47f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":349,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T05:20:10.173Z","text":"这就有点毒树之果 检方找了一堆 觉得被骗了的投资人 先扣押 再起诉郭 然后大家的钱就冻住了 然后投资人因为投资不能进行导致财产损失","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc08e4db836914753f47f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qbeab208b6a2bc794b65b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":350,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T05:20:34.607Z","text":"这个跟毒树之果这个概念没什么关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbeab208b6a2bc794b65b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qdebb8ce1062477915772","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":351,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:20:51.449Z","text":"我告诉你思路","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc08e4db836914753f47f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdebb8ce1062477915772","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc08e4db836914753f47f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qae122d4980f468e5823a","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":352,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:20:58.069Z","text":"你作为第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae122d4980f468e5823a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qacfd8797e16b56118656","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":353,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:21:00.901Z","text":"prose","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacfd8797e16b56118656","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qdcaca4870b1470cb499e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":354,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:21:13.164Z","text":"要求检方公布受害者的来源以及人数","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcaca4870b1470cb499e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9c540b730e93f03741f9","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":355,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:21:16.153Z","text":"比如 fbi 几人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c540b730e93f03741f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa171274b56c836071393","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":356,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:21:20.399Z","text":"债权人和受害者重合的 几人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa171274b56c836071393","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qbe72c6430d4e9288ec47","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":357,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:21:41.495Z","text":"sec几人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe72c6430d4e9288ec47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q5887b629f34f3278cf3b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":358,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:21:48.547Z","text":"这个是合法的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5887b629f34f3278cf3b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2973efa44c1319a49591","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":359,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:22:50.141Z","text":"他要是拒绝公布 那就是有鬼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2973efa44c1319a49591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1b03d0c8f1eed5d0a0d6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":360,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:22:55.339Z","text":"这是最基本的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b03d0c8f1eed5d0a0d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe3c50e0e533553bd35b9","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":361,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:23:30.501Z","text":"他拒绝公布 我就有理由假设 债权人和受害人重叠的是大部分","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c50e0e533553bd35b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q43bb81c20d709308f594","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":362,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T05:23:41.139Z","text":"你这就违反第四修正案 毒树之果了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43bb81c20d709308f594","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q29730c75b95969607ac8","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":363,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-21T05:27:14.526Z","text":"还有就是受害者具体受害的理由 不能单纯觉得自己投资被骗了  当时联盟是可以退投资的 你觉得被骗了 可以去退的  为什么找FBI 然后直接导致冻结 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你觉得是不是这样？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaf672aec600d2ad1c66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2c2f02aa060b53179b6c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":385,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T06:05:41.899Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 如果不抓初始债权人的问题  我们最多只能在没收程序中把他们打掉啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c2f02aa060b53179b6c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc573cf1c597ea8b1fe40","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":386,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T06:06:25.586Z","text":"就是说 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