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fbi","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf77669fc971046f041db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe846d2fe539c39cb29eb","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":422,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:17:25.116Z","text":"再给你扯一通","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe846d2fe539c39cb29eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q74b5f1d7e8275777059c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":423,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:17:28.281Z","text":"证人的证词也要让他们拿出证据吧，不能就靠一张嘴","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44892c9d3cc1a6ddb5e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74b5f1d7e8275777059c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44892c9d3cc1a6ddb5e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd345eeac9463163b604c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":424,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:18:06.998Z","text":"如果这样的话 这里就没有我们能干的了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74b5f1d7e8275777059c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd345eeac9463163b604c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74b5f1d7e8275777059c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4497f51788362526e40a","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":425,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:18:12.343Z","text":"靠律师了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4497f51788362526e40a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qddc2256bda9d6576ae7c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":426,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:19:35.486Z","text":"所以，辩方律师是个很大的变数","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc2256bda9d6576ae7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qef95f5be46b71eb83434","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":427,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:19:42.499Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qddc2256bda9d6576ae7c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef95f5be46b71eb83434","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc2256bda9d6576ae7c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2527fb45e562e2abf482","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":428,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:19:47.977Z","text":"所以 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所以是错误逮捕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa69fbdeb36b10a46f66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe4efc938f390883edd9d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":444,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:23:22.111Z","text":"这就种下了毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4efc938f390883edd9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q3486fbe7afc838862f9b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":445,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:23:36.872Z","text":"如果比例在50% 那还不说明问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3486fbe7afc838862f9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1a3253d91c96df86cec0","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":446,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:24:23.313Z","text":"来自Sec的就是g系列投资人呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a3253d91c96df86cec0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qda5e769bcfa4c18dd138","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":447,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:25:48.230Z","text":"来自fbi也有可能啊，这个检方不说，谁也没办法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda5e769bcfa4c18dd138","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q53f9c69e8ed3f31cf5a6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":448,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:26:52.111Z","text":"那这个就要靠辩方律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2cd85f500197a1fc33af","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53f9c69e8ed3f31cf5a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q70a9fbfbb1c3bf41635c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":449,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:27:12.148Z","text":"如何靠破产案的解绑 就能说明老郭和g系列靠不上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70a9fbfbb1c3bf41635c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q14e9a278f09caecf0cc3","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":450,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:27:43.857Z","text":"检方肯定耍流氓 说你看 我们有那么多fbi sec的举报 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luc可以装小白兔","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0ecdb451570881f881d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd24fc370e5bae78925ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0ecdb451570881f881d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe4c8e3858c0e630be429","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":458,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:33:34.994Z","text":"但可以吓他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4c8e3858c0e630be429","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9cf6f1eaf102686e94c9","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":459,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:33:42.981Z","text":"螺丝哥都说了要刑事起诉luc哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cf6f1eaf102686e94c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe9e434d74e42da29c2ab","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":460,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:35:57.158Z","text":"那你指的是哪一点有信心","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe7f19b5a2a2d7a3cce6d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9e434d74e42da29c2ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7f19b5a2a2d7a3cce6d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcc1493747ff740bbe208","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":461,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:36:17.990Z","text":"取消非法债权人的索赔权限","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc1493747ff740bbe208","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qeb0b3d6a16fcec322174","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":462,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:36:24.817Z","text":"特别是老郭鼓动后的那帮人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb0b3d6a16fcec322174","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q61e975b2e530c289ba50","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":463,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:36:26.600Z","text":"合理合法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61e975b2e530c289ba50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1b54e8eba62c28abdabc","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":464,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:36:33.612Z","text":"至于全部取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b54e8eba62c28abdabc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9f7b51ba22bcc6e9e452","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":465,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:36:47.814Z","text":"但这个不能推翻债权人登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f7b51ba22bcc6e9e452","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q8f7cfe6e35a31bb53f9b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":466,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:37:04.144Z","text":"对的 这个还不行 但你可以要求检方澄清 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那我们上去一打 估计和螺丝哥的一样 案件就结束了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0774fec426b9f2c14f65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd1c9ce0d792c82b82781","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":501,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:43:52.361Z","text":"但检方如果把七大姑八大姨全拉进来说事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1c9ce0d792c82b82781","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q95ca48ad838b5b692d5d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":502,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:43:59.947Z","text":"那就要让辩方一个一个打回去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95ca48ad838b5b692d5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe38b10b31086cd501d2d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":503,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:44:11.327Z","text":"这个时候我就要发动议 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就是七哥情报","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe363943e78785ab17b55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e936b8d9bd62342db13","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe363943e78785ab17b55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qae1892f213b82e79d03c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":506,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:44:52.771Z","text":"那个肯定是真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae1892f213b82e79d03c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q0685cdd24c5a7b147858","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":507,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:44:56.948Z","text":"所以是两个前提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0685cdd24c5a7b147858","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q7b5442508ff1dae1777f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":508,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:07.022Z","text":"但七哥情报肯定是没问提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b5442508ff1dae1777f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q074268576a79d9446846","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":509,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:10.793Z","text":"所以只剩一个前提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q074268576a79d9446846","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q3aaa3276ab74930239ad","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":510,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:14.033Z","text":"这个还是得luc自己来证实","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e936b8d9bd62342db13","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aaa3276ab74930239ad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e936b8d9bd62342db13","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe495f246fec91ab66fbc","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":511,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:17.767Z","text":"就是初始受害人用了多少债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe495f246fec91ab66fbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q987b8c98b576240dae3d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":512,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:28.485Z","text":"检方和luc","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3aaa3276ab74930239ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q987b8c98b576240dae3d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aaa3276ab74930239ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc800df710b4f68db828e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":513,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:33.350Z","text":"这个很容易核实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc800df710b4f68db828e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q20a3f77d60221d5a3b7b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":514,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:39.077Z","text":"检方会配合？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20a3f77d60221d5a3b7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa4091f477e221591be4c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":515,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:45:57.409Z","text":"如果你初始受害人 就是债权人的情况下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4091f477e221591be4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q48059730f6a93c9c2643","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":516,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:46:07.924Z","text":"检方不管配合与否","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48059730f6a93c9c2643","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2cab5bff9e73cf06ef29","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":517,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:46:08.021Z","text":"Luc为了拿钱还有可能出来，检方肯定不会吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cab5bff9e73cf06ef29","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qab1528eb8c3da9b21aad","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":518,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:46:11.948Z","text":"他都违反了第四修正案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab1528eb8c3da9b21aad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q442b25940af796a806a8","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":519,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:46:22.185Z","text":"这就造成了毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q442b25940af796a806a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q59b070b4a2346e40d07d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":520,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:46:39.864Z","text":"所以这是关键啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4091f477e221591be4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59b070b4a2346e40d07d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4091f477e221591be4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q94b985b8cd88ac98ce1d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":521,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:47:08.858Z","text":"或者你初始受害人 80%以上是债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94b985b8cd88ac98ce1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q42a88ffb4d53ab8ff796","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":522,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:47:17.213Z","text":"这个是你预设的，本身就需要证实，这一步做不到你后面的都不会发生","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4091f477e221591be4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42a88ffb4d53ab8ff796","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4091f477e221591be4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q8c5984a09e1ae8c1ca5e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":523,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:47:21.446Z","text":"所以我要知道比例！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c5984a09e1ae8c1ca5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q6eb834120b8889f5a99e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":524,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:47:32.190Z","text":"对 所以我要问检方比例","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42a88ffb4d53ab8ff796","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6eb834120b8889f5a99e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42a88ffb4d53ab8ff796","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q5824b3e725c69a43eee4","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":525,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:47:35.855Z","text":"这个绝对可以问","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5824b3e725c69a43eee4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q830de72b54168663afbd","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":526,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:47:57.086Z","text":"你现在知道这个链条了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q830de72b54168663afbd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9b5f1834c78e5a0e84e0","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":527,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:48:11.631Z","text":"我先问比例","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b5f1834c78e5a0e84e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1673d6894afecdefc722","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":528,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:48:20.097Z","text":"如果检方说比例都便秘","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1673d6894afecdefc722","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qbbd1b42e9d9594200677","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":529,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:48:27.943Z","text":"那就是100%用了债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbd1b42e9d9594200677","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4befe6fd13088eb2a797","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":530,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:48:31.699Z","text":"那就开心了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4befe6fd13088eb2a797","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfc7aedab35452ca67038","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":531,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:50:00.777Z","text":"你看这个[屏蔽词] ［用户 zci***］  之前还秀英文 装作博士生 很懂法律 现在看到毒树之果 第四修正案 半天憋不出一个屁","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7aedab35452ca67038","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":532,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:56:15.227Z","text":"毒树之果成立的前提就是初始受害人非法，你是想通过核实初始债权人和初始受害者的重叠比例证明初始债权人非法从而推翻luc是吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qf4a0bd411394164e528f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":533,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:56:49.181Z","text":"对！ 但这就不仅推翻luc了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a0bd411394164e528f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q0aa66e483b70889fda9b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":534,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:57:01.926Z","text":"这个 再结合老郭爆料 让他们去查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aa66e483b70889fda9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa2acd331bd6197ddd5e3","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":535,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:57:11.885Z","text":"这就构成检方违反第四修正案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2acd331bd6197ddd5e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q8e179f52a07e69e0f498","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":536,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:57:30.321Z","text":"从非法逮捕延伸过来的有关的证据就全部不能用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e179f52a07e69e0f498","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q5273dfe15fa5a294ab67","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":537,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:57:50.352Z","text":"当然这是辩方律师的事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e179f52a07e69e0f498","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5273dfe15fa5a294ab67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e179f52a07e69e0f498","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd10456c3896268fdb5ef","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":538,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:58:13.720Z","text":"一旦到这一步 我要说的是 从非法逮捕出法 得到的受害人 全都不能索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd10456c3896268fdb5ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qce66ef52fc6a8262c72f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":539,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:58:17.486Z","text":"我挂羊头卖狗肉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce66ef52fc6a8262c72f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q028b0d9615f0dccc1d41","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":540,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:58:41.723Z","text":"比如 王艳平的受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q028b0d9615f0dccc1d41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q824a070d08b51415bea6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":541,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:58:45.695Z","text":"都不能索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q824a070d08b51415bea6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q401637016ed0de24f7f6","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":542,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:03:48.960Z","text":"但是初始受害人非法又怎么证明？受害人是谁都不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2acd331bd6197ddd5e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q401637016ed0de24f7f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2acd331bd6197ddd5e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q39493a2332020bd9ca2f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":543,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:05:18.346Z","text":"要证明债权人就得证明受害人，要证明受害人又要证明什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39493a2332020bd9ca2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qfc1158611d72080ab338","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":544,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:05:41.692Z","text":"只要让检方给出受害人和债权人重叠比例就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39493a2332020bd9ca2f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc1158611d72080ab338","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39493a2332020bd9ca2f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q84d8b71edc4e8e253916","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":545,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:05:50.213Z","text":"如果重叠比例高 那你这个受害人就是非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84d8b71edc4e8e253916","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q012882e7281325d30c5e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":546,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:05:55.056Z","text":"因为债权人非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q012882e7281325d30c5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcaa6b2679be5964498a3","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":547,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:06:28.380Z","text":"好像成了一个死循环，要证明债权人就得证明受害人非法，要证明受害人又要证明债权人非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaa6b2679be5964498a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q35723ced9249f678f0a2","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":548,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:06:38.309Z","text":"不用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcaa6b2679be5964498a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35723ced9249f678f0a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaa6b2679be5964498a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcb0fd9cb01d004bc6032","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":549,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:06:52.279Z","text":"你只要给我 你初始受害人 多少由债权人构成","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb0fd9cb01d004bc6032","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q25957e5fc744acbd29c1","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":550,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:06:54.918Z","text":"就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25957e5fc744acbd29c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2710d09817a7f2474ecb","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":551,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:07:00.343Z","text":"如果高于80%","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2710d09817a7f2474ecb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe354e678c85e3fb9437c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":552,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:07:07.605Z","text":"那毒树之果就可以提了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe354e678c85e3fb9437c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1bcfdb13328de1e11dba","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":553,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:07:33.591Z","text":"这里受害人和债权人已经等同了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bcfdb13328de1e11dba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qbe1851848c7cf8ee1328","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":554,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:08:14.154Z","text":"是因为债权人绝大部分在直播以后吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe1851848c7cf8ee1328","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q7bb76a86a4a784312850","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":555,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:08:23.932Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe1851848c7cf8ee1328","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bb76a86a4a784312850","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe1851848c7cf8ee1328","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qf53ddb1c49651e084df0","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":556,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:08:28.868Z","text":"这有个关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf53ddb1c49651e084df0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q1e29b249b7cd23b0ade1","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":557,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:08:36.888Z","text":"老郭鼓动债权人 是面向g系列投资者的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e29b249b7cd23b0ade1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd2b21dd1e2ea5a271617","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":558,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:08:46.901Z","text":"所以你可以说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2b21dd1e2ea5a271617","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q3c3c76c6a9dd50aabdde","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":559,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:08:56.952Z","text":"债权人 就等同于 g系列投资者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c3c76c6a9dd50aabdde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe9d986dc90aef81e1149","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":560,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:09:08.165Z","text":"对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d986dc90aef81e1149","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4de265bc2673fa429d2d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":561,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:09:14.572Z","text":"而g系列投资者 是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4de265bc2673fa429d2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q796225d69356760c81f7","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":562,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:09:24.360Z","text":"所以 债权人 等于 g系列受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q796225d69356760c81f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe56f9e14a65e59a78643","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":563,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:09:26.909Z","text":"有这一层关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe56f9e14a65e59a78643","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q0c5e6aad1f45f3add582","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":564,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:09:45.449Z","text":"既然两者相等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c5e6aad1f45f3add582","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qb09679a95d41e2191aae","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":565,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:09:48.876Z","text":"那债权人干扰司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb09679a95d41e2191aae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4b2a7efb28c9978ff269","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":566,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:09:54.411Z","text":"这一层关系 也就没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b2a7efb28c9978ff269","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q85b1b3552fba59ca8305","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":567,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:10:11.503Z","text":"老郭爆料luc明知假的还登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85b1b3552fba59ca8305","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q67a98a925e4b7b1b0a8b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":568,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:10:15.321Z","text":"那债权人等同于的受害者就没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67a98a925e4b7b1b0a8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcf46d5d3ca2120a7b8f2","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":569,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:20:39.295Z","text":"你说的这个都是直播后的债权人，可以这么打掉，直播是23年1月23号，在这之前还有一部分登记债权人，这部分里可能有其他人，你说的80%是指最早的这批人数很少是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb0fd9cb01d004bc6032","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf46d5d3ca2120a7b8f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb0fd9cb01d004bc6032","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q6673203509c3b1293471","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":570,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:22:00.253Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf46d5d3ca2120a7b8f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6673203509c3b1293471","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf46d5d3ca2120a7b8f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q5c557a4b4cf461fcdf44","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":571,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:22:04.373Z","text":"1月23号到3月15号，期间登记的债权人很可能被当作是抓人的受害人，如果是这样，那这部分人是无效的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c557a4b4cf461fcdf44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q395eab61262fd6e1dddb","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":572,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:22:16.432Z","text":"哦？？？？？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c557a4b4cf461fcdf44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q395eab61262fd6e1dddb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c557a4b4cf461fcdf44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qf0daa1fbab6022e18e88","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":573,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:22:20.985Z","text":"何出此言？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0daa1fbab6022e18e88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q9fa188058419b435bd36","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":574,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:22:25.564Z","text":"这是一个思路","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fa188058419b435bd36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa959d291940172002c52","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":575,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:22:47.438Z","text":"[屏蔽词] 1月23号 到 315 大几千债权人登记上","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa959d291940172002c52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd6b2116392cc50f1e38e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":576,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T08:23:05.715Z","text":"为什么是这个时间段被抓为受害者？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c557a4b4cf461fcdf44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6b2116392cc50f1e38e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c557a4b4cf461fcdf44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q141d6bc53cb037281607","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":577,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:24:37.575Z","text":"直播后到抓人之前登记的这些债权人，很可能被当作受害者啊。立案抓人得有受害人呐。但这些已经在法官判定的干扰司法范围内了，所以这些就算是被当作受害者也因为妨碍司法无效了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6b2116392cc50f1e38e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141d6bc53cb037281607","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6b2116392cc50f1e38e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qf3ad07ed3a427d36f791","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":578,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:29:03.294Z","text":"必须有受害者才能起诉抓人吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f2a92430900ded7d3f9","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3ad07ed3a427d36f791","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qe354f1aab08c009c94b3","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":579,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:29:16.812Z","text":"立案时可以没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe354f1aab08c009c94b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q04f487fae5305139f5c8","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":580,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:32:08.203Z","text":"所以初始受害者很可能绝大部分就是债权人，而且都是直播之后的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62072504c7b4b33171f4","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04f487fae5305139f5c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q73f594e3286a6473944f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":581,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:37:29.095Z","text":"所以所有第三方介入的，先说自己参与的部分是被联盟误导诈骗，然后再从不同意他们分钱的角度说事儿，集中火力打luc的债权人登记，是这样吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd4d63f7efc3b8ffe490","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73f594e3286a6473944f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q7d664e4d8bcc653269af","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":582,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T08:38:10.404Z","text":"没参与的但是有投资的，就直接干luc就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d664e4d8bcc653269af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4fe12ca4e0ab8b8a73e8","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":583,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:06:10.772Z","text":"哦，你看错或记错了，我原文说我好朋友是法学phd，我是英语从业；我没说我很懂法律，但我略懂一些框架，实操这块儿肯定得跟法律从业低头的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc7aedab35452ca67038","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fe12ca4e0ab8b8a73e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7aedab35452ca67038","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2c7cce280a7f74d64e88","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":584,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T09:06:11.695Z","text":"https://x.com/mucunzheyi/status/1947052802687303964?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7cce280a7f74d64e88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q3884d8dfabb2a398ce65","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":585,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T09:06:29.668Z","text":"奥巴马要完了，这个托雷斯还能待多久","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3884d8dfabb2a398ce65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q65d73eb0504d0d0d80ea","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":586,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:07:28.155Z","text":"另外，你们这个思路跟“毒树之果”没关系，很遗憾。这个我确实懂，毒树之果是个浅显的、比喻性质的法律概念，没你们想的那么大的囊括性，你们的思路，很遗憾的讲，不在它定义范围。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65d73eb0504d0d0d80ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q8faeae2562ddfa044c44","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":587,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T09:07:45.085Z","text":"你根本没搞清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65d73eb0504d0d0d80ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8faeae2562ddfa044c44","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65d73eb0504d0d0d80ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc537ba6357297c1982db","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":588,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:08:00.446Z","text":"法学要严卡定义，不能望文生义。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc537ba6357297c1982db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q2b1f99ec060bca27fa8f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":589,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T09:08:31.136Z","text":"检方违反第四修正案导致非法逮捕 产生的毒树之果 是什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b1f99ec060bca27fa8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q4ab9364ebf19ed26ac4b","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":590,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:08:56.706Z","text":"很遗憾。你肯定百分百认为我是弱智，这很正常符合你的品性，但等到事实验证到我这步时，我很期待你的全新思路，和你对先前毒树之果的运用为何不成功的最新解读。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ab9364ebf19ed26ac4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qcd7f00599b63f872eff7","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":591,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:09:20.503Z","text":"现在不是你我争论的时候，我是“输家”，在各位眼里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd7f00599b63f872eff7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q61273f829ad5ccb93e97","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":592,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T09:10:05.799Z","text":"你说说 违反第四修正案导致非法逮捕 之后由逮捕所衍生的证据 证人 都无效 这不是毒树之果是什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4ab9364ebf19ed26ac4b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61273f829ad5ccb93e97","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ab9364ebf19ed26ac4b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qde489a5211dcbf4b6b61","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":593,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T09:11:01.311Z","text":"老郭律师现在只有两种可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd4d63f7efc3b8ffe490","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde489a5211dcbf4b6b61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qdc450bd6bc56c87e91d1","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":594,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T09:11:18.300Z","text":"第一种 依然灭爆 浑水摸鱼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc450bd6bc56c87e91d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q15ea9aff9368614b883e","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":595,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T09:11:38.843Z","text":"第二种 律师对无罪已经信心十足","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15ea9aff9368614b883e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qc8d44ea4e3604cc84f9a","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":596,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:13:33.939Z","text":"好啦好啦。你肯定认为你是对的，这个群所有除我外的朋友肯定也认为你是对的，你已经“赢了”，咱俩还需要探讨吗，难道你非得说服我这个“弱智”认为你是对的？没必要吧，这样会降低你们高智商人的档次，如果一个低手也能理解，他们按理说是理解不了的，对吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8d44ea4e3604cc84f9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"q0094e8754ba28d76c4e2","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":597,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:14:07.846Z","text":"等事实出来，我们再探讨最新策略就是，嘻嘻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0094e8754ba28d76c4e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qa8c710f1c7b83d97307d","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":598,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-21T09:14:42.561Z","text":"你说的对的话，我当全群面，跟你道歉；你不用，你会有更新解读","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8c710f1c7b83d97307d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qde9d8b615034c335530c","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":599,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T09:28:13.168Z","text":"郭案都这样了，还卡个屁的定义","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc537ba6357297c1982db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde9d8b615034c335530c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc537ba6357297c1982db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"},{"id":"qd7d13262aef6d2e74a90","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":600,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T09:45:13.169Z","text":"我怀疑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7d13262aef6d2e74a90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000016","next_batch_id":"batch-000018"}