{"id":"batch-000018","number":18,"revision":1,"date_start":"2025-07-23T02:15:36.751Z","date_end":"2025-07-25T01:50:01.546Z","total_messages":1000,"summary":"本次讨论主要围绕案件审理进展、破产程序与债权人索赔等核心法律问题展开。参与者重点辩论了破产受托人对债权人资格与金额的审查职责，部分人认为鼓动虚假登记或高倍索赔涉嫌妨碍司法，另一部分人则主张借贷与兜底承诺具有法律效力，债权人有权据此申报。针对刑事案件走向，讨论者就量刑预期、上诉翻案前景及政治介入可能性产生分歧，探讨了刑事没收程序中依据《联邦刑事诉讼规则》32.2条提交第三方动议的时效与辩护价值，以及受害人名单合法性对指控的影响。此外，讨论还涉及农场借贷资金去向与农场主责任追究、拘留所探视及通信受RICO规则监管的真实性，并反思了相关大V言论与群内互动心态。","guide":[{"title":"破产案债权人资格与刑事妨碍司法认定的逻辑辨析","message_ids":["qa2068da7ff30f6ee997d","qc1ce723aff3f512a8fd8","qbee2d0f2be572953c716"]},{"title":"围绕债权人登记合理性、高倍索赔及承诺兜底法律性质的激烈争论","message_ids":["q3c76ea57248528e8d07c","q471cfda397f31a331443","qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84"]},{"title":"探讨《联邦刑事诉讼规则》32.2条与没收令下达及第三方权益分配顺序","message_ids":["q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","q5ab56cfd217de3c0f391","q9e243f1f1d5a7517ba4e"]},{"title":"就第三方动议、没收令颁布时点、上诉权及程序合法性展开多方争议","message_ids":["q358e339056df838aaaba","qb3c172d7d38a50183898","q9e19fa1faf7ac1437129"]},{"title":"案件上诉前景、翻案期限与政治介入预期的分歧","message_ids":["qc9bd706264c0078c55f7","q69190d8b66114bf5e5d8","qfc3d6fcdc947b906312a"]},{"title":"农场借贷资金去向、维权追讨困难及农场主责任","message_ids":["q88155a6d0141150efb5c","qd376fef196433b5846ec","q5c91fb328e2277769beb"]},{"title":"围绕检方受害人名单与破产债权人关系及司法审查责任的推演","message_ids":["qb7a3c85d32f8c8e35575","q0c808eabf6a0e77dfc68","qf3f3fe1374c4c00230cb"]},{"title":"辩论拘押所（MDC）电话及探视真实性与RICO通信监管限制","message_ids":["q47170fb5b4441f3e7955","qa1b7e15c74251fec9283","q8628e0d4561cd2e3244a"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T08:24:25.686Z","notice":"清洗后的社区讨论原话，按时间分批归档，固定首次采集版本，不随原作者后续编辑或删除更新，不含附件内容。含不同观点、推测与未经核实的主张，不代表本站结论或法院认定。导读仅供定位，请阅读完整发言及回复上下文，并结合一手文书核验。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000018","page":1,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018/pages/2","prev_url":null,"messages":[{"id":"q8aeb3b0f0ffc3d54d158","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":1,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T02:15:36.751Z","text":"yijianhu说 不知道国家安全部是做什么的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8aeb3b0f0ffc3d54d158","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0af6455b9c3d5191a4fe","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":2,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T02:15:53.977Z","text":"这正常吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0af6455b9c3d5191a4fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0b7f70ccf2f1f6b36768","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":3,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T02:17:25.211Z","text":"喝茶 都会提前2天告知的吗？既然提前了  只告诉了妻子，没告诉老郭？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b7f70ccf2f1f6b36768","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q130ad361c09043b3fbd2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":4,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T02:21:46.640Z","text":"通过gmail 关联的GTV 其实应该是安全的，gmail 在中国不违法，只是被墙了 打不开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q130ad361c09043b3fbd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc91c18addea14e26031c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":5,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T02:30:14.895Z","text":"整个回答过程，yijianhu 完全没有犹豫 没有思考 没有存在 想不起来，或者 需要想一下的 状态？？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc91c18addea14e26031c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qdd9885fd9e01391d999b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":6,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T02:35:54.065Z","text":"［用户 hon***］ 不用管这些","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd9885fd9e01391d999b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0d0d24d5c7ab60e6098e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":7,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T02:36:03.488Z","text":"反正他肯定是虚假代表索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d0d24d5c7ab60e6098e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6b50ea7da208acd47c9e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":8,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-23T04:08:54.434Z","text":"这个胡是什么人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b50ea7da208acd47c9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2d5f34fc790256fa872c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":9,"speaker":"202***","date":"2025-07-23T04:26:16.194Z","text":"奇侠很久没有消息了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d5f34fc790256fa872c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2427417c53a9dd9a057d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":10,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T04:27:11.914Z","text":"who","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d5f34fc790256fa872c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2427417c53a9dd9a057d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d5f34fc790256fa872c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd3b4b089046ed05f87f3","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":11,"speaker":"202***","date":"2025-07-23T04:28:35.345Z","text":"相当于法律顾问","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3b4b089046ed05f87f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q036c5ab32de273fb9006","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":12,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T04:29:35.353Z","text":"不是被 矮子取代了吗 赶跑哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q036c5ab32de273fb9006","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8cb40ef7834fbfb47451","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":13,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-23T04:47:12.384Z","text":"这个铲共奇侠也一度把我骗瘸了，直到716之后。他的直播我都看过 ，当时是100%地相信。我身边的人说他讲话结结巴巴，是假律师。我当时还跟他急呢。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8ed4d24750b070c171f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cb40ef7834fbfb47451","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":14,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-23T05:30:37.802Z","text":"我几乎是一次不落地听他们的直播：全信、照单全收！😆\n一边干活一边听，在家听、路上听、工作闲余时间听。对那些露脸大V人们如数家珍，包括魔女、蛋医生。我还赞美过魔女是“以美灭共”，那可是美丽的美呀，而不是美国的美呀。不了解的人还以为我在拍马屁呢，其实我是真心赞美、鼓励它们的。\n直到有一次，我对魔女开玩笑说：知蒋干用蒋干，因为她说文贵指定让她招待Jason Miller。她居然很快就把我拉黑了。这个臭女妖，原来心胸这么狭窄。😀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfd9b36583308ca6bf9ec","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":15,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-07-23T05:36:02.944Z","text":"她非常喜欢拉黑人，但是你如果是夸她的，她都会和你互动比如点赞啥的，感觉她比其他农场主更乐意沟通。其他农场主基本高高在上，我记得最早她在GTV直播，她说过一句话，具体怎么说我不记得，但是意思我知道：她说她听说成为老椅子可以获得权力，所以就投资了老椅子。GTV刚开始可以直播时的一次直播，我印象很深。也许压根没人在意到她这么闲聊时无意说出的话。我却牢牢记住了这句话。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd9b36583308ca6bf9ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6a8789b49f84eaade12d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":16,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-23T06:05:10.680Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/1947820021885112571?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a8789b49f84eaade12d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q26457bb8102e84b71236","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":17,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T06:08:08.698Z","text":"这只是不想继续演了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q476e025d3aae071d746b","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26457bb8102e84b71236","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q39a94804edce3b1b7bf6","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":18,"speaker":"she***","date":"2025-07-23T06:19:23.560Z","text":"以前看路德，后来除了七哥，我谁都不看，就是路德那货暴露以后我差不多谁都不信","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39a94804edce3b1b7bf6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q18ba3ad007673b4a5083","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":19,"speaker":"she***","date":"2025-07-23T06:20:26.875Z","text":"他们直播说的那些东西，网上一大堆的，没必要去看他们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18ba3ad007673b4a5083","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9589e4c063757fff15ae","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":20,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T06:30:11.396Z","text":"这就是心甘情愿的被洗脑啊，因为相信他们，也就是七哥说的无罪推论，这个做法代价太大了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9589e4c063757fff15ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf826a9848e4f7e5eddf6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd0b84d5e86a29073a36e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":21,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T06:38:31.133Z","text":"这让我也想起了当年看路德时候的岁月，唉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39a94804edce3b1b7bf6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0b84d5e86a29073a36e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39a94804edce3b1b7bf6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd5936fdb9c3d6cad24fb","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":22,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T06:41:32.403Z","text":"自己核对事实以及兼听，这两项缺一不可。你可以首先在主观判断是认为郭是对的没问题，大多人、谁没有过这步？但是真不能轻信除了郭之外的任何附属他的消息源，毕竟一来不是他本人二来这些人可靠程度事实上存在问题很早就检验的出来，你怎么能认为“嗯，下一个郭背书的人肯定没问题可以百分百相信”呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5936fdb9c3d6cad24fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb9a30fa890dd489955b3","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":23,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T06:42:59.604Z","text":"这也衍生出了一个非常不中听的推论，我进群第一句话说的就是这个：郭说的每句话，你是不能去相信他的字面意思的。这就是个事实谁也不能否认尤其战友。这跟你相不相信他的初衷和目的，完全不是一回事，不能混淆。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9a30fa890dd489955b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc5c99cb08e47ad768d97","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":24,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-07-23T06:48:53.243Z","text":"我也投资GTV，那无罪的可是钱还不退我，农场借贷的钱不知道被谁拿走了，也不知道去哪里要了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26381d62472d9e443e3f","repl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chu***］ 农场借贷在政府冻结内吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d2af23d2d4623480eb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q99ec60bd3f366614bd49","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":26,"speaker":"she***","date":"2025-07-23T07:29:56.311Z","text":"绕来绕去都不知道你说什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9a30fa890dd489955b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99ec60bd3f366614bd49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9a30fa890dd489955b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0722135e6b7349c511de","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":27,"speaker":"she***","date":"2025-07-23T07:30:44.543Z","text":"如果你直播听第一句，都不会听第二句🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0722135e6b7349c511de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qbbb6123bb37067a1a624","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":28,"speaker":"she***","date":"2025-07-23T07:31:30.182Z","text":"就不能简单明了说出来吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbb6123bb37067a1a624","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb64cb81aa3aba433b36d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":29,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T07:31:46.496Z","text":"不能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbb6123bb37067a1a624","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb64cb81aa3aba433b36d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbb6123bb37067a1a624","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc386ac9d2aadbbdbbbdc","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":30,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:32:57.648Z","text":"我是为了表达的清楚，战友能听进去些。我要是直接甩一句，郭做出的每一个非公开事实的论断，都不能信，谁会理睬我？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbb6123bb37067a1a624","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc386ac9d2aadbbdbbbdc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbb6123bb37067a1a624","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3086a8d4e8a349cb5f90","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":31,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:33:32.099Z","text":"我必须表述清楚。郭说中国执政党是共产党，这是可核实的事实，你当然不存在信不信的概念，对不对？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3086a8d4e8a349cb5f90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb86b31cf20a2747fad6a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":32,"speaker":"she***","date":"2025-07-23T07:33:35.230Z","text":"信不信自己去判断","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb86b31cf20a2747fad6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q62068a36269f9c1ce4fa","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":33,"speaker":"she***","date":"2025-07-23T07:34:09.859Z","text":"没必要去强求别人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62068a36269f9c1ce4fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc57d0e2e4f70487337e9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":34,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:35:02.706Z","text":"但是郭说，一切都要听联盟的，一定要在我不在时候听长岛的，木兰绝对没问题，谁想踢走死了这条心...这些请问，比如那个sarah女士，她是不是一贯在类似的人或事上，百分之百倾情相信，然后一次次遭遇破灭打击？这是她亲口所讲的事实，对吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc57d0e2e4f70487337e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3a1dc653484cbcd56488","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":35,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:36:11.264Z","text":"所以郭说的这些话，你们是不能直接采信的，你要自己去判断这些话是不是他的计策，这是在用蒋干、还是他计算失误，毕竟你们中部分人至少也承认，郭不可能算无遗物，至少也可能出点错，对不对？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a1dc653484cbcd56488","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe811ed54128271db48bc","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":36,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:36:55.379Z","text":"请不要带任何立场看看我这些话，如果你有点理性思考的意愿，然后告诉我，哪一句话我讲的不对，逻辑上不对，不谈立场。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubei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in 这不妥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb7121404e56f878c77c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q55276ce55197bd8bf4ef","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":41,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T07:54:28.506Z","text":"所以你别说那么多没用的，也别想把自己的问题转嫁给别人。最现实的做法是想办法翻案，殊死一战","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5324d8fbcfce1edf005","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55276ce55197bd8bf4ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5324d8fbcfce1edf005","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q181c12f825e4fbee6cfc","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":42,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:55:03.149Z","text":"我不反对你这个想法，站在你的判断上，很能理解","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55276ce55197bd8bf4ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q181c12f825e4fbee6cfc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55276ce55197bd8bf4ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1eac17ea7f221f8c7311","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":43,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:55:58.971Z","text":"走到这步，殊死一战难免。努力在实践上做到一切能做的往回打，但别真的all in一切人生情感信念","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1eac17ea7f221f8c7311","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd4bc43a801f9794ed982","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":44,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:56:13.072Z","text":"那一旦败了，三观受伤太多。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4bc43a801f9794ed982","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q64ad4b197ff1f74a31cf","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":45,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:57:04.498Z","text":"当然还有螺丝哥，我也挺担心的。我觉得螺丝有点allin一切的架势","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64ad4b197ff1f74a31cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0ac107e81a3ef58e10cc","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":46,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T07:58:26.652Z","text":"我说的一切出于我的良心，虽然你们大概率还是不信，但是我确实跟你们常见的砸锅的不大一样，你们肯定看得出来。至于这是因为这个人[屏蔽词]？还是因为他是非常特殊的一种灭爆专员？你们自行判断，跟我陈述的那些事实毕竟不挨着","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ac107e81a3ef58e10cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc9bd706264c0078c55f7","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":47,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:10:08.069Z","text":"我的判断还是上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9bd706264c0078c55f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q69190d8b66114bf5e5d8","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":48,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:10:13.481Z","text":"持久战","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69190d8b66114bf5e5d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfc3d6fcdc947b906312a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":49,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:10:16.774Z","text":"不存在all in","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc3d6fcdc947b906312a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb33ce5f1bf01c2ea3aea","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":50,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:10:26.362Z","text":"这个事情拖的时间越长","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb33ce5f1bf01c2ea3aea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8a1687fc7fa32435e259","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":51,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:10:32.984Z","text":"到最后反转就越大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a1687fc7fa32435e259","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q513d92a9fae38167b90c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":52,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T08:13:52.533Z","text":"最后几乎百分之百“反转”...抛开时间没有讨论的意义，除非郭病死在监狱，或者刑期超过他寿命，否则他最终必然出狱啊。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q513d92a9fae38167b90c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9ee0ecfee02d3ed57939","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":53,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T08:14:16.528Z","text":"他再怎么样，也不是一级谋杀这类，不可能终身监禁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ee0ecfee02d3ed57939","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8dda6b52ce72aeca5f8e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":54,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:14:52.480Z","text":"你觉得川普四年结束后还不翻案 之后还会有机会？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8dda6b52ce72aeca5f8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qab00537f2604576c7dde","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":55,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:15:03.286Z","text":"反转就是中期选举前后","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab00537f2604576c7dde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe45d9c497f0057456b0a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":56,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T08:15:05.630Z","text":"肯定没有机会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe45d9c497f0057456b0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q61e11565691b870266f9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":57,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T08:15:13.685Z","text":"川普是唯一理论的机会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61e11565691b870266f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1aacae26531b4876842d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":58,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T08:15:17.429Z","text":"仅限于理论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aacae26531b4876842d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3638a21901d8712ecd97","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":59,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T08:16:53.939Z","text":"如果大家愿意等，他服完刑就会出来的。但是他刑期肯定非常长，而且应该是他还要被驱逐，所以...基本上也没意义客言。况且谁能等他到白头？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3638a21901d8712ecd97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3d74f622343d23a2ecbe","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":60,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-23T08:18:12.740Z","text":"对。没人会把这个当成“反转”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d74f622343d23a2ecbe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8346527b4183230f4fcd","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":61,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T08:18:16.190Z","text":"［用户 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共济会 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最 乱七八糟 五湖四海的。在各个国家 网红手里。只有美国的农场的借贷的。可以被美国冻结。其他国家的农场的要自己去当地起诉这些农场主","edited":false,"reply_to":"q14a717c627bc9e0054f0","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88155a6d0141150efb5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd376fef196433b5846ec","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":92,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-23T14:20:01.712Z","text":"是的，无罪推论只能用在法律问题上。\n跟人打交道，必须从怀疑对方开始。😀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9589e4c063757fff15ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd376fef196433b5846ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9589e4c063757fff15ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5c91fb328e2277769beb","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":93,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T14:35:06.195Z","text":"不是吧，这些钱也是要转到总部吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88155a6d0141150efb5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c91fb328e2277769beb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88155a6d0141150efb5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4fbf3ce91b0d99ecba46","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":94,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-23T14:36:23.291Z","text":"应该是的。总部有回邮件。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c91fb328e2277769beb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fbf3ce91b0d99ecba46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c91fb328e2277769beb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q59cf41fadb7f3933f338","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":95,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T14:36:53.562Z","text":"要不真成了草台班子了，胡来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4fbf3ce91b0d99ecba46","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59cf41fadb7f3933f338","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fbf3ce91b0d99ecba46","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7447da04082278415cc8","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":96,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-23T15:02:15.108Z","text":"转到总部还能退吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7447da04082278415cc8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q63fef2a4a6bba7d0d1c1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":97,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-23T15:02:33.245Z","text":"为什么不是直接退","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63fef2a4a6bba7d0d1c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qbdc92ee2bac59e74d473","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":98,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T15:35:16.158Z","text":"那个网红会给你乖乖交到总部。哪个农场没爆雷。加拿大老江那被冻结了吧。韩国cosmes 携款跑路了吧。日本 草根 人呢？英国大卫 爆雷了吧。连美国的九只妖都偷偷转给儿子去 德州买房了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c91fb328e2277769beb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdc92ee2bac59e74d473","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c91fb328e2277769beb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcd1231ae3d4f5f28cb43","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":99,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T15:36:30.010Z","text":"我们现在不就是在跟九只妖 要钱么？ 都是自己找农场主要 赶紧学起来吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd1231ae3d4f5f28cb43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q399f657e1e4f712afc96","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":100,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T15:41:39.603Z","text":"任何网红 上位 第一件事就是帮战友去 把 这些钱 要回来 该起诉就起诉。可是没有一个农场主这样做。怎么都看不明白啊🤥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q399f657e1e4f712afc96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qbbc92bc89dee706bd438","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":101,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T15:42:18.135Z","text":"长岛是唯一这样做的。拖了九个月 但是他要到钱 也跑路了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbc92bc89dee706bd438","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7deaefc1fcd6134160de","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":102,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T15:43:59.126Z","text":"都在自我安慰 等待⌛️ 😂 七哥出来了。也是你们自己走这一步。只不过是他可以号召。但是他不会去亲自给你起诉 去帮你要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7deaefc1fcd6134160de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd55cbd7cad3c36b301b1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":103,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T16:36:40.719Z","text":"https://x.com/sendxicptohell/status/1948054516957589839?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd55cbd7cad3c36b301b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qff9f6c00a3102bb18258","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":104,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T17:40:30.525Z","text":"Luc没有删除债权人吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff9f6c00a3102bb18258","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q528f8a49c065f6385db4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":105,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T17:41:17.429Z","text":"我看他的意思好像是，Luc说，他现在还不想全面审查债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q528f8a49c065f6385db4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf09682aafbce7f875761","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":106,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T17:41:30.570Z","text":"好吧 那我理解错了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q528f8a49c065f6385db4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf09682aafbce7f875761","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q528f8a49c065f6385db4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc94ad33bce3505d82d1b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":107,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T17:42:59.604Z","text":"Luc没法审查。如果他审查了，他就要踢走1月18日以后的债权人，那有人就可以发动议让他踢走1月18日以前的，他怎么办？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc94ad33bce3505d82d1b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q961dc97ab7457b1d2798","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":108,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T17:51:53.531Z","text":"👇  是不是就是他只想删除一些明显造假的，其他的他还想保留","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961dc97ab7457b1d2798","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qec40c89a98f44bb53d8c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":109,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T18:10:30.398Z","text":"标题：批准批量债权异议程序的动议摘要\n\n该动议由Luc A. Despins（Ho Wan Kwok 的第11章破产案受托人）、Genever Holdings Corporation 和 Genever Holdings LLC 提出，目的是请求法院批准一项结构化程序，以管理和提出对债务人在破产案中申报的债权的异议。\n\n\n---\n\n一、背景与目的\n\n**Ho Wan Kwok（郭文贵）**于2022年2月申请第11章破产保护。\n\n其关联公司 Genever Holdings（BVI 和美国） 也先后申请破产，案件被合并处理。\n\n尽管郭自称亿万富翁，但在破产文件中仅申报资产 $3,850美元，而负债达数亿美元。\n\n截至目前，已收到超过1,600份债权申报，总金额高达约320亿美元，其中许多债权 缺乏支持材料、重复或毫无根据。\n\n\n\n---\n\n二、对债务人的指控\n\n郭文贵被指控在社交媒体上鼓动支持者提交虚假或夸大的债权申报，目的是扰乱破产程序并增加法律费用。\n\n他在视频中表示：“让受托人的律师费尽可能涨到1万亿”，“你们都去法院注册，也许能成为亿万富翁。”\n\n\n\n---\n\n三、动议请求的法院批准内容\n\n受托人请求法院批准：\n\n使用批量债权异议（Omnibus Objection）：每次最多可处理250项债权（当前规则仅允许100项）。\n\n引入额外的异议理由，包括但不限于：\n\n缺乏充分依据或支持文件\n\n未指明具体金额\n\n债权分类不当或应被从属化\n\n向非债务人或错误债务人提出的债权\n\n已由非债务人偿还的债权\n\n债权人已正式撤回的债权\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n四、优化债权异议流程\n\n受托人提出一套标准化的异议程序，包括：\n\n使用统一的表格和通知格式\n\n明确回应异议的截止日期\n\n为要求保密的债权人提供身份保护\n\n为债权异议安排清晰的听证和答辩流程\n\n\n\n---\n\n五、法律依据\n\n该动议依据《破产法》第105(a)条、第502(a)条及破产程序规则第3007条提出，旨在提升程序效率，确保公平性。\n\n\n\n---\n\n六、影响\n\n此动议将有助于：\n\n节省费用\n\n减轻管理负担\n\n确保真实合法的债权人优先获得偿付\n\n\n同时在保护债权人正当程序权利的基础上，赋予受托人挑战明显无效债权的权力。\n\n\n\n---\n\n总结：\n\n这项动议是处理破产案中成千上万疑似无效债权的关键程序步骤。它针对债务人涉嫌恶意操纵债权程序的行为做出反应，并致力于防止债务人进一步损害破产财产，维护破产程序的公正与高效。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec40c89a98f44bb53d8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5c6c3c87783e35c36af7","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":110,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T18:13:26.234Z","text":"受托人并未在动议中具体说明何时开始执行债权异议程序，也没有设定完成该程序的截止日期。不过，动议中提到了一些与时间相关的重要信息：\n\n\n---\n\n✅ 受托人明确表示的事项：\n\n1. 目前不会启动全面的债权审查程序\n\n> 受托人表示，“在此阶段”，他计划优先处理一些程序性异议，例如：重复申报、缺乏支持文件的债权等，而不是对所有债权进行全面审查。\n\n\n\n\n2. 目前已收到超过1,600份债权申报，总金额约为320亿美元，其中很多申报可能是无效或重复的 —— 因此该过程预计将是长期且复杂的。\n\n\n3. 此次动议（即申请批准债权异议程序）提出了回应截止日期：2025年8月4日\n\n> 这意味着，只有在法院批准该动议并签署命令之后，受托人才能正式启动异议程序。\n\n\n\n\n4. 未来每一项批量债权异议（Omnibus Objection），在举行听证会之前，相关债权人将获得至少60天的提前通知。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n❌ 受托人未提及的内容：\n\n未说明将于何时提交第一批债权异议；\n\n未设定完成全部1,600多项债权审查工作的最终期限。\n\n\n\n---\n\n总结：\n\n截至2025年7月，受托人正着手建立债权异议的程序框架，但是否启动、何时启动以及何时完成，仍取决于法院的批准、债权人的回应以及实际推进效率。考虑到债权数量庞大且疑点众多，整个流程将采取阶段性、审慎的方式进行。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c6c3c87783e35c36af7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q14e03c0283e807d4219e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":111,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T18:15:47.547Z","text":"所以luc要审查完所有人至少要到10月底了，有可能拖到明年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14e03c0283e807d4219e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2d518d80edd46f4ebd41","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":112,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T18:50:14.912Z","text":"18层持有者不是郭强吗？他和luc合作？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd55cbd7cad3c36b301b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d518d80edd46f4ebd41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd55cbd7cad3c36b301b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd472dd3d1b741ddf6e08","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":113,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T18:53:40.071Z","text":"这个算妨碍司法吗？是不是改了说法了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd472dd3d1b741ddf6e08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q898663cf550369537648","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":114,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T18:54:05.890Z","text":"这个就是妨碍司法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd472dd3d1b741ddf6e08","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q898663cf550369537648","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd472dd3d1b741ddf6e08","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q61d84cff84c1562c0b11","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":115,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T19:00:40.247Z","text":"说郭妨碍司法的文件号是多少来着？ ［用户 chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61d84cff84c1562c0b11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0ef2da5e9c55601432a8","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":116,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T19:04:43.777Z","text":"这算不算自己承认债权人登记造假","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ef2da5e9c55601432a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd06271bd306adbe43107","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":117,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:05:37.609Z","text":"他可以说当时录入的时候他不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd06271bd306adbe43107","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q80b2175fe492103382f3","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":118,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:06:45.160Z","text":"你可以说有嫌疑","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf271c305d4a97c60756","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80b2175fe492103382f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2c2dbd1a86de034356f9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":119,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T19:16:10.319Z","text":"Luc现在只是要删除一些明显有问题的债权人（比如重复申请，无效申请），但是他说他现在不会全面审查，也就是说他不会审查所有人是不是有资格成为郭的债权人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c2dbd1a86de034356f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4aff6f34a7d03706b353","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":120,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:16:50.753Z","text":"那他需要证明 这些债权人 没有违背托雷斯的命令 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需要和你们打luc 盖尔的配合","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa973702fd432560a9083","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc6390d9daefed5cebfaf","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":138,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T19:24:54.896Z","text":"至少不一定是所有人都是郭鼓动的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6390d9daefed5cebfaf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4d31a27129cf3912846d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":139,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T19:25:05.366Z","text":"这就是为什么他不能全面审查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d31a27129cf3912846d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qef867553f1969b42f34d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":140,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:25:12.939Z","text":"一笔糊涂账","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd04c1a00c6885d571b55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef867553f1969b42f34d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd04c1a00c6885d571b55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qdcae3a94da714e57caa1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":141,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T19:25:13.902Z","text":"第一他只是怀疑，没有证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcae3a94da714e57caa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q85af82402b4f7242319b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":142,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T19:25:31.702Z","text":"第二他踢走别人，别人就会让他踢走之前的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85af82402b4f7242319b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc11502af93353b1ae241","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":143,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T19:28:24.373Z","text":"那些被luc踢掉的会不会也来法庭闹，要求全面审查","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85af82402b4f7242319b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc11502af93353b1ae241","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85af82402b4f7242319b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0322068672c2ea16b6e0","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":144,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T19:29:30.129Z","text":"这就是郭说的，如果luc敢踢走1月23日以后的，那肯定会有人发动议闹luc","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc11502af93353b1ae241","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0322068672c2ea16b6e0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc11502af93353b1ae241","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q539dd131fa1a518d5944","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":145,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:34:39.623Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q539dd131fa1a518d5944","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcda4f72a1127d31716df","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":146,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:34:49.446Z","text":"要么全合法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcda4f72a1127d31716df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5d8a8e106fca53b3f7d9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":147,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:34:51.888Z","text":"要么都不合法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d8a8e106fca53b3f7d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qbe0c15a4966034d9af87","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":148,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:34:55.466Z","text":"没有中间地带","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe0c15a4966034d9af87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5a646cc229e3a672c9ab","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":149,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:35:12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破产法庭luc随便搞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a646cc229e3a672c9ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q90f791abbebf9220dfa2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":150,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:35:19.441Z","text":"但刑事法庭没这么好糊弄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90f791abbebf9220dfa2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcb6fbbe19461ec91111c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":151,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T19:37:33.612Z","text":"咱根据自己的情况，把每一个抓手都打出去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a6804691d6dc5e909b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb6fbbe19461ec91111c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a6804691d6dc5e909b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8d21fecf27c7a9b845fe","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":152,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T19:39:30.953Z","text":"这次你们先上 我跟螺丝哥要在后面放大招","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d21fecf27c7a9b845fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe1cb5fef584b6ca328ed","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":153,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:02:10.282Z","text":"现在的问题是就算1月23日以后的债权人是妨碍司法虚假索赔，那1月23日之前的那些算不算妨碍司法，有多少是虚假索赔呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1cb5fef584b6ca328ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q378bb5f3523d839099da","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":154,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:02:34.025Z","text":"根本性问题，还是他们根本不是郭的债权人吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q378bb5f3523d839099da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q064a88e12ba278e28720","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":155,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:03:34.101Z","text":"这个 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现在都 捆绑在 老郭身上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0eb69b708f6f7f0ade4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1b64b5e81c90784f8d46","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":162,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:06:48.345Z","text":"方法就是让他初始受害人受到污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b64b5e81c90784f8d46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q626dddb9f8b4061db724","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":163,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:06:51.839Z","text":"债权人可以污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q626dddb9f8b4061db724","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc89480b72368f5b92842","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":164,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T20:06:57.674Z","text":"luc 那边 是跟  老郭的破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc89480b72368f5b92842","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe058a4597f06922324c8","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":165,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:02.268Z","text":"然后国安那群报案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe058a4597f06922324c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4c7c4cb975254380a9bb","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":166,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:05.422Z","text":"是关键","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c7c4cb975254380a9bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcf9427cbc9a6dd8e107f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":167,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:05.486Z","text":"要去破产法庭解绑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf9427cbc9a6dd8e107f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb646e02b4f5105266886","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":168,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:10.010Z","text":"到时候我去污染","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb646e02b4f5105266886","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfb62148c0b6fabf211a2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":169,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:20.163Z","text":"刑事庭解绑就行","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf9427cbc9a6dd8e107f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb62148c0b6fabf211a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf9427cbc9a6dd8e107f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe0749d30d3861c1de1f1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":170,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:24.098Z","text":"刑事法庭这边 是要跟农场主 解绑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0749d30d3861c1de1f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3611dbc657551ceea692","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":171,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:41.973Z","text":"这群死骗子  要怎么处理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3611dbc657551ceea692","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb22d44d4caae41fe9455","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":172,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:44.744Z","text":"老郭和g系列怎么绑上的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb22d44d4caae41fe9455","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe8ff94c00acc212947f2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":173,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:47.891Z","text":"1 债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8ff94c00acc212947f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q33b0a909c3289f662663","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":174,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:07:56.266Z","text":"2: 初始报案人 也就是国安","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33b0a909c3289f662663","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe8722ce9342fcac66db4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":175,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:08:38.877Z","text":"至于上庭的检方证人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8722ce9342fcac66db4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q51df403232ce3b043132","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":176,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:08:43.157Z","text":"很多都是后面找的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51df403232ce3b043132","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcac7d0fce6f68063825c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":177,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:08:50.854Z","text":"只要污染他的初始受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac7d0fce6f68063825c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc3fe5f675418809d9486","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":178,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:09:00.608Z","text":"就是成功的关键","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3fe5f675418809d9486","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q53429aa0bcdccee2162a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":179,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T20:09:21.404Z","text":"luc 现在还有利用价值，去查清所有的账，[屏蔽词]那群农场主 全是废物，一堆负债   要处理掉","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53429aa0bcdccee2162a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9331ad0edf8662c0f871","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":180,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:09:38.548Z","text":"螺丝哥已经动议了 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原来是郭的，现在是卢克的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d518d80edd46f4ebd41","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2aa6557b64a4119c75b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d518d80edd46f4ebd41","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q85c89ed04701504b7406","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":183,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:16:58.497Z","text":"我现在知道为什么债权人没人出来说话了，他们都等着发大财呢。但是现在卢克要踢他们了，他们还不出来说话？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85c89ed04701504b7406","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd2aa08aa5109ceff09aa","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":184,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:17:24.051Z","text":"他们不出来说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2aa08aa5109ceff09aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd44aac99b9a3f0066417","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":185,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:17:31.483Z","text":"我们给他们火上浇油一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd44aac99b9a3f0066417","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7be698ba332b9e260503","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":186,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:29:35.371Z","text":"意见虎 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和那些取消的债权人的情况一模一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d4d8293c97ddfccacc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q728e5be08b13dda5e79f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":191,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:31:20.814Z","text":"一见虎填写了什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q728e5be08b13dda5e79f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q912f58556b6f8266979b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":192,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:31:38.034Z","text":"这个法官不一定认","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d8a8e106fca53b3f7d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q912f58556b6f8266979b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d8a8e106fca53b3f7d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa61adcc6eab6a5cbd941","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":193,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:33:09.695Z","text":"如果只是妨碍司法和虚假索赔，不可能打掉所有债权人。那些没有受郭鼓动，没有填写虚假数字的债权人，不能打掉。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q912f58556b6f8266979b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa61adcc6eab6a5cbd941","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q912f58556b6f8266979b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qdb9be9e8362d4b3cc48c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":194,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:33:25.079Z","text":"所以要查就得都查，luc想只查有问题的是一厢情愿，有问题的会觉得都有问题，都该查","edited":false,"reply_to":"q378bb5f3523d839099da","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9be9e8362d4b3cc48c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q378bb5f3523d839099da","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q207ec07bb30e60c80f75","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":195,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:36:37.820Z","text":"找到那棵毒树","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcac7d0fce6f68063825c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q207ec07bb30e60c80f75","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac7d0fce6f68063825c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q69271e71f76616ac5282","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":196,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:37:15.097Z","text":"根本性问题不是妨碍司法和虚假索赔，根本性问题是他们不应该成为郭的债权人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb9be9e8362d4b3cc48c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69271e71f76616ac5282","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb9be9e8362d4b3cc48c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb4071efa4a2e3c67a9c1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":197,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:38:05.072Z","text":"一千倍索赔，他们还真信，真是非蠢即坏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85c89ed04701504b7406","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4071efa4a2e3c67a9c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85c89ed04701504b7406","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q20740ec832529e575c31","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":198,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:38:58.472Z","text":"我们用干扰司法切入","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20740ec832529e575c31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0f3c2612f2bb2c6178b6","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":199,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:39:06.618Z","text":"然后引用老郭的拱卒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f3c2612f2bb2c6178b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd2daac9a259fb438895a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":200,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:39:17.172Z","text":"然后质疑检方和luc为什么睁眼说瞎话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2daac9a259fb438895a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000017","next_batch_id":"batch-000019"}