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检方的信用会大打折扣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q037881aabe02974734db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf5eaa303c8332dd82a8c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":203,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:41:05.855Z","text":"那就得先打掉G系列的捆绑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69271e71f76616ac5282","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5eaa303c8332dd82a8c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69271e71f76616ac5282","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q67cd1c4ad70a7143277b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":204,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-23T20:41:54.674Z","text":"这能查吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q966c4e01ea48a013bd44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67cd1c4ad70a7143277b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q966c4e01ea48a013bd44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4a5a553157cf6ef674eb","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":205,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:42:35.701Z","text":"Luc的动议不是说要查了吗，他只想查他认为有问题的。这帮财迷，能吃这亏吗？谁也别想好","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67cd1c4ad70a7143277b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a5a553157cf6ef674eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67cd1c4ad70a7143277b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0a0e738f662c12136c08","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":206,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:43:54.297Z","text":"Luc说现在不能全部审查，因为他要谨慎行事。也就是说他不确定1月23日以后的是不是所有人都受到郭的鼓动。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a0e738f662c12136c08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1055b07124311ee2fe5e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":207,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T20:44:18.853Z","text":"luc感觉要露馅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1055b07124311ee2fe5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe9d98929807a2adfbf87","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":208,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:45:10.936Z","text":"被这帮人缠上，不死也得掉层皮，很快就会成为他的绊脚石","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1055b07124311ee2fe5e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d98929807a2adfbf87","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1055b07124311ee2fe5e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb48a2dc5e60cfa740f4c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":209,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:45:49.052Z","text":"Luc这招非常狡猾。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb48a2dc5e60cfa740f4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q282607e0dd5e40972062","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":210,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:46:09.448Z","text":"他不希望债权人登记无效。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q282607e0dd5e40972062","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8c71493687bc54093444","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":211,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T20:46:24.465Z","text":"被踢出去的不会拉倒的，挡人财路如杀人父母","edited":false,"reply_to":"q282607e0dd5e40972062","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c71493687bc54093444","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q282607e0dd5e40972062","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb49457500ad71af3eb08","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":212,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:47:19.112Z","text":"看看他会踢谁。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb49457500ad71af3eb08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6719be4a7a93ea92dd2b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":213,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T20:47:43.424Z","text":"Luc这边审查需要好几个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/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他就保证了下限","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1276436566f499ec91f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda605bae295cb6f7a300","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1276436566f499ec91f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf9fdf43d073823fd5c16","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":227,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T21:11:34.253Z","text":"别被踢出去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9fdf43d073823fd5c16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q203a8742a0ec331ba019","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":228,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-23T21:11:48.895Z","text":"盖尔也没定啊，他们不需要在那30天里定下来。分钱是半年以后的事情。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf74a78137989e0da5e47","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q203a8742a0ec331ba019","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf74a78137989e0da5e47","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5c1a330cac1ca2a44bd1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":229,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T21:12:50.664Z","text":"没有明确结果怎么证明是合法的，先下结论后作证明，这不跟315一个路数吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1276436566f499ec91f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c1a330cac1ca2a44bd1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1276436566f499ec91f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qff4c625c33cad2a6c4ac","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":230,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T21:14:26.455Z","text":"有第三方提出异议，他们就得自证","edited":false,"reply_to":"q203a8742a0ec331ba019","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff4c625c33cad2a6c4ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q203a8742a0ec331ba019","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q769f6963f7964d029038","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":231,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T21:14:57.836Z","text":"这还有个关键因素就是辩方要抗辩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q769f6963f7964d029038","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q07c2d761db5bb01379c9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":232,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T21:15:31.458Z","text":"第三方顶多是个啦啦队，真正开枪的是辩方律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07c2d761db5bb01379c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6b53ccb77f7a89e0162e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":233,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T21:21:12.073Z","text":"我们是在观众席 先喊口号","edited":false,"reply_to":"q07c2d761db5bb01379c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b53ccb77f7a89e0162e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07c2d761db5bb01379c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc0a382a6ba49312f67b6","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":234,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-23T21:21:27.533Z","text":"然后辩方律师抓住 说 你看 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在押犯人的探視規定\nMDC對探視有明確的限制，具體規定如下：\n•  探視時間與程序：探視通常在特定時間段內進行，需提前申請並獲得批准。來訪者必須是預先登記的親屬或朋友，且需提供身份證明。探視通常在監控下進行，通過玻璃隔板或在指定區域內，根據在押犯人的安全等級而定。\n•  限制條件：探視權利可能因在押犯人的行為、案件性質或安全風險而受限。例如，若在押犯人被指控涉及高風險犯罪（如RICO共謀組織罪），探視可能受到更嚴格的審查或限制。\n•  聯邦監獄局（BOP）政策：根據聯邦監獄局的規定，探視者需通過背景調查，且不得與在押犯人存在可能影響案件的聯繫（如共謀關係）。若探視者被檢方指控為RICO共謀組織成員，幾乎可以肯定會被拒絕探視資格，因為這可能被視為對調查或審判的干擾。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1f3034cd1f18bfe9576","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa1576de08598b2dd296d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":242,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-23T22:33:51.073Z","text":"这是他邀买人心的手段","edited":false,"reply_to":"q929857fcb343a9f5368e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1576de08598b2dd296d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q929857fcb343a9f5368e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcd19f28eb422636284e0","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":243,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-23T22:34:01.636Z","text":"2. 手機使用規定\n•  禁止使用手機：MDC對在押犯人使用手機有極嚴格的限制。聯邦拘留設施通常不允許在押犯人擁有或使用個人手機。所有通訊均通過監獄內的固定電話系統進行，這些通話受到監控和記錄（除了與律師的通話，根據法律享有特權保護）。\n•  電話聯繫限制：在押犯人需將聯繫人列入預先批准的通話名單，且通話時間和頻率受到限制。若電話聯繫對象被檢方指控為RICO共謀組織成員，監獄當局很可能會拒絕批准該聯繫人，因為這可能涉及犯罪活動的延續或證據干擾。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd19f28eb422636284e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8e4328b33dcef07aa56b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":244,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-23T22:35:27.656Z","text":"•  對探視和電話聯繫的影響：若來訪者或電話聯繫人被檢方指控為RICO共謀組織成員，MDC和聯邦監獄局通常會採取以下措施：\n    •  拒絕探視：為防止共謀或證據串供，任何被指控為共謀者的來訪者幾乎肯定會被禁止探視。\n    •  限制通訊：電話聯繫也會受到類似限制，監獄當局可能會完全禁止與這些人的通話，或對通話進行更嚴密的監控。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e4328b33dcef07aa56b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa0cd794fd482b2cd0506","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":245,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-23T22:43:09.024Z","text":"4. 總結\n•  探視：MDC對探視有嚴格規定，需提前申請並通過背景調查。若來訪者被指控為RICO共謀組織成員，幾乎不可能獲准探視。\n•  手機使用：在押犯人不得使用手機，所有通訊通過監控的固定電話進行，且聯繫人需經批准。若聯繫人涉及RICO共謀指控，通話許可會被拒絕。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0cd794fd482b2cd0506","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q224dd23c2169e357829b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":246,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-23T22:43:36.659Z","text":"这个大v 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zu 是誰","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q828f16e56910ffdabd23","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf5300cd5964e99598ec0","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":293,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T01:08:16.695Z","text":"Luc有预测未来的能力，在郭没判之前，就预测到他会被判，所以接受了拱族😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5300cd5964e99598ec0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q30f2c1d6c9d84a4dd13d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":294,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T01:17:35.964Z","text":"这个luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30f2c1d6c9d84a4dd13d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9d6de0e22b06da1a42f9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":295,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T01:17:40.969Z","text":"感觉是个幻想家","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d6de0e22b06da1a42f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q27eba4df55d1868f41be","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":296,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T01:19:18.813Z","text":"他们最要命的是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27eba4df55d1868f41be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q41797f4a97281a6539ac","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":297,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T01:19:23.091Z","text":"知道假的还接受","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41797f4a97281a6539ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf036a3bd1373664f1c36","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":298,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T01:19:31.346Z","text":"来冻结老郭资产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf036a3bd1373664f1c36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcaae5acbea29108a84e0","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":299,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T01:19:37.136Z","text":"触犯了第四修正案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaae5acbea29108a84e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8ce34aeb8af7fda6365d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":300,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-24T03:56:35.563Z","text":"债权人登记不止是数字虚假，我认为更重要的是，g系列投资者根本就没有资格去登记！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ce34aeb8af7fda6365d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q782b6136f8939f45150e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":301,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:02:33.537Z","text":"现在你定罪了 欠钱就坐实了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ce34aeb8af7fda6365d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q782b6136f8939f45150e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ce34aeb8af7fda6365d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf00ee2a2627fb8879da7","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":302,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-24T04:09:24.871Z","text":"合法性判断：不合法的情况：若投资者仅与投资实体有合同关系，且无法证明郭文贵与投资实体之间存在法律或事实上的关联（如资金转移、欺诈行为），则在郭文贵的破产案件中登记债权缺乏法律依据，法院或破产管理人可能驳回。\n“追随者”身份若无经济或法律依据（如投资因郭文贵的承诺而发生），不构成债权基础。\n\n可能合法的情况：若投资者能证明郭文贵直接或间接从投资实体获得资金（例如通过欺诈性转让、借款或不当得利），或郭文贵以欺诈方式诱导投资（如虚假陈述），则可能在破产案件中主张债权。\n若投资实体与郭文贵的破产案件存在关联（例如共同的欺诈行为或资产混同），投资者可能通过破产管理人追回资产或基于欺诈主张债权。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf00ee2a2627fb8879da7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5afb69d1fc5138e7e8c7","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":303,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:23:39.358Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  g系列资产 现在哪个是因为破产法庭命令扣的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5afb69d1fc5138e7e8c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q586dcce1c9fa901f3295","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":304,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-24T04:27:18.355Z","text":"不知道。。游艇被卢克搞走了，18楼被卢克搞走了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q586dcce1c9fa901f3295","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q353cb6484f7ed061f73c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":305,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:28:39.254Z","text":"我们作为g系列投资者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q353cb6484f7ed061f73c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb530eac22935d383a5fc","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":306,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:28:42.713Z","text":"好像打不到这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb530eac22935d383a5fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe883615af125b8a6f261","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":307,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T04:39:13.012Z","text":"对。在美国 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最不想看到的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe883615af125b8a6f261","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7f30b0d0f53137e9c12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe883615af125b8a6f261","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qaa1c25b132530092f34d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":310,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:41:37.743Z","text":"投资 投资没多少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa1c25b132530092f34d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qde9b27f4218cd1117456","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":311,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:41:49.219Z","text":"天天找他们碴","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde9b27f4218cd1117456","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfe46d9329b66925adbdb","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":312,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:42:30.260Z","text":"不图赚钱 图痛快","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe46d9329b66925adbdb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc888538e8ea7a9384717","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":313,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T04:42:53.750Z","text":"哈哈哈哈 是的。就享受 干他们这群骗子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc888538e8ea7a9384717","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q116b8277e56425c963aa","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":314,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:42:58.010Z","text":"老郭出来 我也不指望我投资能赚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q116b8277e56425c963aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qac674b296941ecb8ea6b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":315,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:43:00.542Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc888538e8ea7a9384717","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac674b296941ecb8ea6b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc888538e8ea7a9384717","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd3c264d54ed396bcda4f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":316,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:43:08.411Z","text":"就是享受干他们这群[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3c264d54ed396bcda4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4386a8a0ed90339b8b17","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":317,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T04:43:16.606Z","text":"从而证明我们比他们牛逼 哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4386a8a0ed90339b8b17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb0e45ef6fbeb127a60d4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":318,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T04:44:36.068Z","text":"这群不要脸的贱东西 动不动就代表我，老子干死他们。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0e45ef6fbeb127a60d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q07ddbd01d52ca41491ac","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":319,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T04:45:39.506Z","text":"什么美国小李  面具先生 蜗牛先生 老子都要挖出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07ddbd01d52ca41491ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8b4f6e960eaa733a526c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":320,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-24T05:33:26.385Z","text":"据说毒树之果已经在别的群开始流传了。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b4f6e960eaa733a526c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qeea5e853e755c3b18f0e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":321,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T05:45:44.830Z","text":"卧槽","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b4f6e960eaa733a526c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeea5e853e755c3b18f0e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b4f6e960eaa733a526c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q672d75496db9dcebfc55","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":322,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-24T05:52:44.020Z","text":"其实别的群只能捡二手货。😀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q672d75496db9dcebfc55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8ec317667f6941b54a6d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":323,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T06:14:58.709Z","text":"这案子哪都是漏洞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ec317667f6941b54a6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q932113d355ac892b492e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":324,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T06:15:14.400Z","text":"哪里都有可能诞生毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q932113d355ac892b492e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":325,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T06:53:43.991Z","text":"这逻辑有点乱了，因为债权人郭被绑到g系列，因为被绑到g系列所以他被起诉诈骗。但是，债权人登记的时候郭跟g系列是无关的，那些人根本不是郭的债权人，所以当时破产庭把郭绑到g系列本身就是错的，现在的一切都是建立在这个当初破产庭错误的结论上的。所以要推翻债权人，还得去证明当时郭跟g系列无关，就跟gtv一样，所以真正的毒树应该是破产庭强行把g系列投资人认作郭的债权人。 是不是这个逻辑？ ［用户 rui***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q00397bf21877522fcb5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00397bf21877522fcb5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe11d76075c3cc34cb775","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":326,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T07:04:12.690Z","text":"这完全是拿结果当原因，前后颠倒，基本的逻辑都不讲了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q782b6136f8939f45150e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe11d76075c3cc34cb775","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q782b6136f8939f45150e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5ace2c76845aea2c1548","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":327,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T07:04:48.677Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe11d76075c3cc34cb775","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ace2c76845aea2c1548","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe11d76075c3cc34cb775","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qcb092f3c8dd8f4a5de9c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":328,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T07:05:28.683Z","text":"郭和g系列无关 首先是债权人非法 给郭解绑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb092f3c8dd8f4a5de9c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa7b6db2d7a98bf5ee07d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":329,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T07:06:13.489Z","text":"然后检方就说 你看 还有别的这么多证据证明郭控制g系列 证人证词","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7b6db2d7a98bf5ee07d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7eddea5dcc5a2c0f05ae","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":330,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T07:06:30.506Z","text":"包括fbi 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才算真正解绑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q714ac0c6a0e128250564","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7d4c9e7f604fc6763ae1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":332,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T07:06:43.952Z","text":"初始受害人的非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d4c9e7f604fc6763ae1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2b44e608b5382e62e661","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":333,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T07:06:55.489Z","text":"其实如果虎子哥当年别他妈扯中共","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b44e608b5382e62e661","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf5a080d376893a86ced8","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":334,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T07:07:06.813Z","text":"你就扯 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构成错误抓捕 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厉害螺丝哥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad3525eca7e001dad3cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9e8b28bf310c76a5fb6f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":350,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:16:48.673Z","text":"这就是我视频里说的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e321645d60de75722a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e8b28bf310c76a5fb6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e321645d60de75722a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf8982c0e849f0cf4dcb6","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":351,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:17:06.863Z","text":"债权人 受害人 盖尔 有一个行为模式 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wen***］ 你就是那个大v？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab8aa5426e717ee8fb1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q26d4b56ff45a7bfaf12c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":359,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:33:34.349Z","text":"［用户 wen***］  你可是做过节目 斩钉截铁的说 债权人对郭案没有影响","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26d4b56ff45a7bfaf12c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q50b9417fc9df64350cd4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":360,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:34:05.479Z","text":"［用户 wen***］  你自己解释解释吧 提醒一下 我们这个群言论自由 不踢人 但是我们鼓励互相攻击 谩骂 诅咒","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50b9417fc9df64350cd4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc3ccb127ef2ac1aeaa2d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":361,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:34:33.623Z","text":"［用户 wen***］ 是谁给你下的命令让你这么说的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3ccb127ef2ac1aeaa2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb4aa682f0da32bbae775","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":362,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-24T08:34:46.541Z","text":"不确定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4aa682f0da32bbae775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd638637743096764e37b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":363,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-24T08:36:30.834Z","text":"文智同志，我正在干活。我只是打螺丝烧电焊的而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd638637743096764e37b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0d96a9c8416e5bd8a4dd","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":364,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:52:53.711Z","text":"你不是那个文智 抱歉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4cebfd9f4283876ab63d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d96a9c8416e5bd8a4dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q34415fa394f9b24e8b4d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":365,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T08:53:33.881Z","text":"把你当成澳喜那个文智了😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4cebfd9f4283876ab63d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34415fa394f9b24e8b4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7821ff0f0cfe300e4c2c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":366,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:53:55.710Z","text":"那个文智被我八辈祖宗的骂 我想他肯定不会来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7821ff0f0cfe300e4c2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3b00e33a11bab60fd8ce","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":367,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T08:53:56.762Z","text":"咱们不要自我感觉太好啊😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd638637743096764e37b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b00e33a11bab60fd8ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd638637743096764e37b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd5eebb90e69777aca847","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":368,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:54:26.684Z","text":"我们都把你当场奥喜的文智了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5eebb90e69777aca847","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc39f5927f0bfffa3ab20","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":369,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T08:56:11.373Z","text":"现在我在联盟哪个平台都发不了声音，他们统一的把我拉黑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc39f5927f0bfffa3ab20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0afe6a9aed634849d878","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":370,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T08:56:36.114Z","text":"同是天涯沦落人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0afe6a9aed634849d878","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q812232d009211e7cddc4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":371,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T08:56:36.451Z","text":"就因为我说郭美的账号是假的，就这一句话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q812232d009211e7cddc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q11ac8c5484debf5ab038","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":372,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T08:56:45.986Z","text":"你是智慧的👍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q812232d009211e7cddc4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11ac8c5484debf5ab038","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q812232d009211e7cddc4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8f8016cdce5d77b3132e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":373,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-07-24T08:58:07.588Z","text":"跑得快就是在群里发了微蓝文永的链接，问了一下，被打成共产党了，真的可怕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f8016cdce5d77b3132e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa52c8a358ad9492dc639","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":374,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T08:59:49.911Z","text":"螺丝哥说的非常正确，但咱们这个群咱们这些人人轻言微，很少有人能听到咱们的声音，那些大V们都在搞宏大叙事，要么有别的目的，要么都在割韭菜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa52c8a358ad9492dc639","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q03bf2ca3f7816109fc88","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":375,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T09:00:21.807Z","text":"草木皆兵了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f8016cdce5d77b3132e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03bf2ca3f7816109fc88","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f8016cdce5d77b3132e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q29c2586c03f54e3a52c2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":376,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T09:01:41.400Z","text":"应该发出我们的声音邀请更多的像我们一样的人来到这个群里边扩散影响力，壮大这个群体才有用处","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c2586c03f54e3a52c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8939f7b0667d342afd33","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":377,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T09:04:42.650Z","text":"现在最关键的是要上法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29c2586c03f54e3a52c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8939f7b0667d342afd33","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c2586c03f54e3a52c2","reply_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灭爆小组控制了联盟 控制了法庭 控制了老郭律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76cb79741fe214d7cb00","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc06bd62d656b6ef44f9f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":379,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T09:05:23.886Z","text":"没有任何有利证据出现在法庭上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc06bd62d656b6ef44f9f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfd071be45ee64d2050a4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":380,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T09:05:35.425Z","text":"如果这次没收程序螺丝哥没上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd071be45ee64d2050a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfb565d13c01005f2666d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":381,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T09:05:43.669Z","text":"之后没收程序我们再不上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb565d13c01005f2666d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9186aad2fc3439f23be2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":382,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T09:06:00.873Z","text":"老郭估计就只能靠川普了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9186aad2fc3439f23be2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q842d2998cf8f40a939ec","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":383,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T09:21:24.493Z","text":"说的有道理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q842d2998cf8f40a939ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb38ed5c82789ce2560bd","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":384,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:30:01.713Z","text":"你是文字辈。被踢很可能是 苦肉计🤥 想来探听什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4cebfd9f4283876ab63d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb38ed5c82789ce2560bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1aee51cf59a1ed1ee178","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":385,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:31:51.472Z","text":"瞎掰。不信。没有任何证明","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf2dd548cb00da1fed9f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aee51cf59a1ed1ee178","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q09c2a4cb4ae3fe3945e4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":386,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:32:58.484Z","text":"一锅米 有老鼠屎。你必须证明你是米。如何证明 还要教？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42fea6a9f4f0a88e14e4","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09c2a4cb4ae3fe3945e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfb1886a7682d6aeaf4a5","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":387,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T09:34:10.251Z","text":"西诺都在这，还有谁不能来？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb1886a7682d6aeaf4a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf4614ecfc0d2c2153eeb","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":388,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:35:48.357Z","text":"你为何认为是假的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q812232d009211e7cddc4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4614ecfc0d2c2153eeb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q812232d009211e7cddc4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa77f108ffceaba555b67","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":389,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:37:53.399Z","text":"长岛时期就这样。这么久才被踢😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f8016cdce5d77b3132e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa77f108ffceaba555b67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f8016cdce5d77b3132e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3c76ea57248528e8d07c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":390,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T09:40:19.349Z","text":"看看检方这周怎么说，是不是会拿债权人登记来证明郭和G系列的关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c76ea57248528e8d07c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q471cfda397f31a331443","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":391,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T09:40:48.065Z","text":"我觉得他们会拿其他的证人证词证据，不只是债权人登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q471cfda397f31a331443","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1e38c05ad5395533bb1d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":392,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:43:00.962Z","text":"对。川普是 美国人优先。不可能管的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ed376d77717f4248561","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e38c05ad5395533bb1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":393,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T09:43:17.137Z","text":"现在的问题是，检方或者luc是不是可以说，那时候拱族他们去登记债权人，就是因为他们觉得郭文贵骗了他们的钱，因为郭文贵是G系列的代言人，郭亲自保证不让人亏本，所以拱族找他登记是合法合理的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8512757b482929b97d81","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":394,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T09:43:41.998Z","text":"不是我认为假的，他一定是假的，郭先生在直播里早就说过，不准家里人参与爆料革命，强调不管的是任何时候！你说呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4614ecfc0d2c2153eeb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8512757b482929b97d81","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4614ecfc0d2c2153eeb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q64c00e08bd4a6307174a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":395,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:44:14.729Z","text":"那为什么 你现在才说？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8512757b482929b97d81","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c00e08bd4a6307174a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8512757b482929b97d81","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc9c99421cf1d56dd3acd","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":396,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-24T09:47:59.699Z","text":"一千倍索赔，也合理啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c99421cf1d56dd3acd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q138f36ea995d3ba3e71a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":397,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T09:48:03.467Z","text":"什么叫被骗举着郭先生的大旗？我们都是凡人被骗也是正常的，但是我们醒悟过来了，看清楚了就这么简单。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q138f36ea995d3ba3e71a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q337c80022733e38a57e1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":398,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:49:15.824Z","text":"不是。前面螺丝哥说了 g 系列的完全不能登记","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q337c80022733e38a57e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q26a878039e4787ec8fef","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":399,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T09:49:22.644Z","text":"登记没问题，干嘛要虚报金额，他又拿不出证据，现在又要被luc当作捣乱的砍掉","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26a878039e4787ec8fef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qde854a76ac9849faddfa","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":400,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T09:50:36.917Z","text":"一千倍索赔肯定是不合理的，但是他们去注册的行为也许是“合法”的，如果他们真的认为郭欠了他们的钱,毕竟郭确实在视频里保证所有亏的钱他来承担？还有他们所有人都填了一千倍吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9c99421cf1d56dd3acd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde854a76ac9849faddfa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c99421cf1d56dd3acd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000017","next_batch_id":"batch-000019"}