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0.435Z","text":"但肯定能软化一部分人的信念","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fcca32213c7605d4a7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q39079748ff99812ef57a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":608,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T12:42:10.782Z","text":"不需要等那么久，检方动议出来就知道郭的命运了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75af18c7ca971f03919d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39079748ff99812ef57a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75af18c7ca971f03919d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q50600eab3f032219a974","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":609,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T12:42:26.396Z","text":"你还需要等那么久啊，那说明你根本不懂法律","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50600eab3f032219a974","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q81b3edbda0facab6d3ed","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":610,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-24T12:42:29.420Z","text":"这是为什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39079748ff99812ef57a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81b3edbda0facab6d3ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39079748ff99812ef57a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q484e89f9bfed0bc7bc33","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":611,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T12:42:50.523Z","text":"问问你法学博士的朋友就知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81b3edbda0facab6d3ed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q484e89f9bfed0bc7bc33","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81b3edbda0facab6d3ed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc5bcd4dff4ee4fb3f897","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":612,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-24T12:43:34.081Z","text":"....明白了，抱歉跟您稍微认真了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5bcd4dff4ee4fb3f897","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2a95a5f532ef8b01080a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":613,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-24T12:44:56.323Z","text":"我只希望，可别到时候你们根据动议得出一个“欢天喜地”的命运判断，然后刑期一出来，晴天霹雳，那不太好。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a95a5f532ef8b01080a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q875fefc87f983ba2b6e2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":614,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-24T12:45:29.401Z","text":"尽量得出一个“坏消息”，然后研究下一阶段的策略，是我的建议。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q875fefc87f983ba2b6e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4e5d1286065bedd23e90","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":615,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-24T12:46:09.276Z","text":"毕竟那个瑞恩不也常说，他觉得赢在“上诉”，所以他至少也在为下一阶段做准备","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e5d1286065bedd23e90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q12631798c3e371af9bba","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":616,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T12:49:04.620Z","text":"今天听了螺蛳哥的这段对话，我茅塞顿开，才知道老郭到现在没有被判实行的真正原因。衷心感谢螺丝哥了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12631798c3e371af9bba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe76ce323ae88bea01191","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":617,"speaker":"niw***","date":"2025-07-24T12:52:16.894Z","text":"讲一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaad719bc929bac3f7e74","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe76ce323ae88bea01191","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaad719bc929bac3f7e74","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qff69a6f24b9548a07248","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":618,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T12:52:49.303Z","text":"为什么现在不能讨论呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf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花了5000万  浪费了我们老百姓的税金，这是个抓手 ［用户 ntp***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qaf7e458a09582522d133","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q432bb394c46319a7e328","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1723bb159de7e5d4b867","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":629,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T14:47:48.901Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］  这也是抓手，联盟农场主网红全是诈骗犯  为什么不抓，检方失职  浪费我纳税人的钱","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8b72c8054b306e36ed58","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1723bb159de7e5d4b867","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q406dcbe295cd891c8103","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":630,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T14:48:47.031Z","text":"这个没签名是真的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd64dbbec2613d691c68a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q406dcbe295cd891c8103","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd64dbbec2613d691c68a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9fbf044b6346e955c695","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":631,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T14:49:30.054Z","text":"嗯，不抓主要同谋","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1723bb159de7e5d4b867","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fbf044b6346e955c695","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1723bb159de7e5d4b867","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q036259f80a50bad1d1f8","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":632,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T14:49:56.580Z","text":"这个是美国人才能提的，他的律师费是谁出的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q432bb394c46319a7e328","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q036259f80a50bad1d1f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q432bb394c46319a7e328","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe65f9d48f2efb9da476d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":633,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T14:59:40.266Z","text":"政府人员 只要骂他们浪费我的税金，他们就怕了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q036259f80a50bad1d1f8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe65f9d48f2efb9da476d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q036259f80a50bad1d1f8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q86187ea42383ec652f15","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":634,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:00:45.458Z","text":"可以可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"q432bb394c46319a7e328","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86187ea42383ec652f15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q432bb394c46319a7e328","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q64500f48fbc4f447f6d7","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":635,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T15:02:11.394Z","text":"luc 和检方不仅对你们没交代，对我一个普通美国纳税人也没有交代  😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64500f48fbc4f447f6d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4755c519e857dc6dc286","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":636,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T15:03:11.111Z","text":"在美国敢得罪纳税人，饭碗不保","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4755c519e857dc6dc286","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q03c868dc9e1a252db953","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":637,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T15:05:05.911Z","text":"消失的 那一份是 13条？ 有截图记录吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8afa27cc040de62a0cdd","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03c868dc9e1a252db953","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6af866ee56e0fee908ac","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":638,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:10:59.765Z","text":"luc律师费是谁付的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af866ee56e0fee908ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qea52aa00080a9cd62c5f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":639,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:15:44.927Z","text":"https://x.com/tiandao7777/status/1948385155791368428?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea52aa00080a9cd62c5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa44c13632400035cb73e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":640,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:15:53.476Z","text":"这个天道现在开始搜集破产案的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa44c13632400035cb73e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2691619e0b867d31c837","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":641,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:16:46.962Z","text":"你他妈就是个[屏蔽词] 你就是把唯一可能的情况故意忽略掉 即： 老郭律师都是灭爆小组","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2b51d8e6a84c28bf36af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2691619e0b867d31c837","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b51d8e6a84c28bf36af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q373adb57d16e201dbde5","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":642,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:19:39.481Z","text":"哪有什么专业人士 有他妈专业人士 老郭这个鸡吧案件就不是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q373adb57d16e201dbde5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb73a18ec3549e65d0fe2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":643,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T15:22:15.837Z","text":"专业人士就是他所谓的“法学博士的朋友”，他还不去问。真要说专业人士，郭被抓之前，请过的专业律师也无数个了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb73a18ec3549e65d0fe2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5d2541ab9552625b5196","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":644,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T15:23:02.640Z","text":"检方说两周之内，看看这周会不会出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q24853bee9baf4be7b726","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d2541ab9552625b5196","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24853bee9baf4be7b726","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe973dc23a0bfe4cfb8a9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":645,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:43:05.528Z","text":"我说的上诉 是法官强行量刑 把所有第三方卖了 这种情况 是重大违背职业道德","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a95a5f532ef8b01080a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe973dc23a0bfe4cfb8a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a95a5f532ef8b01080a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2a714662f8f2fa519be4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":646,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T15:43:21.611Z","text":"现在的情况 法官根本量不了刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a714662f8f2fa519be4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qccb0c9835312a54133cc","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":647,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-24T15:44:27.568Z","text":"的确，我一直以为你是那个傻叉文智，我恨死它了。\n两个文智声音完全不同，除非那个文智在直播的时候变声。这帮骗子爱郭贼。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42fea6a9f4f0a88e14e4","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccb0c9835312a54133cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb2b16ce311975c66ab1a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":648,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T16:00:23.021Z","text":"现在盯紧Luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2b16ce311975c66ab1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9c474705a01361e43a2f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":649,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T16:35:47.800Z","text":"他怎么突然拿出来讲","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa44c13632400035cb73e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c474705a01361e43a2f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa44c13632400035cb73e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3780ee43c087fe2f6aae","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":650,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T16:38:40.611Z","text":"郭以前的律师不合格啊，所以郭才换律师啊。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaa502a9c81540e827bbd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3780ee43c087fe2f6aae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa502a9c81540e827bbd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf7c60400b6dd911aa754","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":651,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T16:40:33.677Z","text":"强行量刑可能会发生的情况就是，检方会发动议说，第三方纠纷太琐碎太繁杂，现在有大量受害者等着要钱，我们留到量刑之后慢慢处理。法官说，批准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe973dc23a0bfe4cfb8a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7c60400b6dd911aa754","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe973dc23a0bfe4cfb8a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb2857b038b852ec866ee","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":652,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T16:48:15.325Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1948424830501425406?t=uf1NwQp8zjWem_Xz9tPL2A&s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2857b038b852ec866ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q91010b94f3a8b3793d2c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":653,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T16:49:21.536Z","text":"这个微微自己就造假，还说破产案造假。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd64dbbec2613d691c68a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91010b94f3a8b3793d2c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd64dbbec2613d691c68a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qec0164d0ce8434d5075c","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":654,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T16:53:59.331Z","text":"我靠 这还真有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7c60400b6dd911aa754","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec0164d0ce8434d5075c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7c60400b6dd911aa754","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":655,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T17:00:21.643Z","text":"怀疑这个群里根本没人读过《联邦刑事诉讼规则》32.2条-刑事没收程序  全文。\n\n按法条写的程序，就是要先把老郭判刑，然后慢慢处理所有第三方争财产动议，那条规则就是这么写的。\n\n所以检方马上要交的动议，内容也没有任何悬念，就是刑事没收令草稿，请法官在量刑当天批准，内容也会跟王雁平的没收令（刑事庭488号文件）一模一样，因为刑事案政府就扣押了这些资产。\n\n好了我预测完了，继续潜水。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a95a5f532ef8b01080a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a95a5f532ef8b01080a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5ab56cfd217de3c0f391","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":656,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T17:08:16.283Z","text":"都拖一年了，不在乎继续拖","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7c60400b6dd911aa754","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab56cfd217de3c0f391","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7c60400b6dd911aa754","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9e243f1f1d5a7517ba4e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":657,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T17:09:34.080Z","text":"Luc律师费是从他追缴的郭财产里付的，破产庭文件2094号第4页h段","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6af866ee56e0fee908ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e243f1f1d5a7517ba4e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af866ee56e0fee908ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qba1de3c3ecb0d99391c5","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":658,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:10:12.748Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 弱弱的告诉你一个事情","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba1de3c3ecb0d99391c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q09a0bbc39aa7c6cf5498","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":659,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:10:26.202Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 我要开始装逼了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09a0bbc39aa7c6cf5498","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa2faed5e108567cd6663","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":660,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:10:45.588Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  如果第三方有重大争议法官强行量刑","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2faed5e108567cd6663","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q340537f0f287bdcf54c6","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":661,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:10:52.877Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  不用老郭上诉","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q340537f0f287bdcf54c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6ffef0892763ff5fde17","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":662,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:10:57.563Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 第三方可以直击上诉","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ffef0892763ff5fde17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q31d1b91964b1a54c3cbc","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":663,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:11:03.764Z","text":"老子可以直接上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31d1b91964b1a54c3cbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q56022d1f4ee3c64540fd","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":664,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T17:11:31.786Z","text":"是检方跳出来要提前处理财产的，为什么提前，肯定是知道量刑且得等","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56022d1f4ee3c64540fd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5663d403d48502de0305","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":665,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T17:12:34.220Z","text":"只要定罪了，才能开始退款，这种可能性比较小，检方的目的就是定罪！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec0164d0ce8434d5075c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5663d403d48502de0305","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec0164d0ce8434d5075c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q37cc3bcfd3d28d9abd43","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":666,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T17:12:38.573Z","text":"这次会不会乱拳打死老师傅😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q31d1b91964b1a54c3cbc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37cc3bcfd3d28d9abd43","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31d1b91964b1a54c3cbc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q228138d6cc2ca0bb86ed","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":667,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T17:14:16.426Z","text":"这里面说的和我说的基本一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q228138d6cc2ca0bb86ed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q14cc8db6112888f99e71","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":668,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T17:14:47.903Z","text":"检方和Luc都是在耍流氓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14cc8db6112888f99e71","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc3f8baa7360603bd280b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":669,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T17:14:48.158Z","text":"卧槽 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花着郭的钱，还是G 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失去他的执照了 才能索赔吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54782c517a447ae22f20","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c04a90ac7f2bcf0db35","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54782c517a447ae22f20","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qac546fda6d5382181c62","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":681,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T17:19:06.957Z","text":"郭的没收令不会和王一样，因为王认罪了，郭不认罪而且不承认财产是他的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac546fda6d5382181c62","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00cc972fb5ff66c25290","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q8135b23a0e83b219d487","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":682,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T17:19:10.128Z","text":"基本和奥巴马的涉案人员一样，牢底坐穿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8135b23a0e83b219d487","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb4970e4cb475db8b71a1","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":683,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T17:19:19.102Z","text":"七哥出来，这破产案就这么拉倒了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c04a90ac7f2bcf0db35","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4970e4cb475db8b71a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c04a90ac7f2bcf0db35","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qfe8e0a5b419e512b0797","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":684,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T17:20:19.078Z","text":"如果说我说如果王是灭爆，这样才合理，因为只有她认罪了才能定罪郭先生","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe8e0a5b419e512b0797","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q358e339056df838aaaba","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":685,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:28:24.456Z","text":"现在是郭的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e67c7cc4c8fa6646879","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q358e339056df838aaaba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e67c7cc4c8fa6646879","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qb3c172d7d38a50183898","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":686,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:30:01.682Z","text":"一般来说解决第三方纠纷 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会造成很严重的后果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e19fa1faf7ac1437129","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q82f2188127a07df63111","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":688,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:30:28.281Z","text":"老子会直接上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82f2188127a07df63111","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qeb6660f76b5aa45d1474","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":689,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:30:49.113Z","text":"法官一定不想我和螺丝哥这样的神经病 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哪里来的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q358e339056df838aaaba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q759a82159a2c3b8c645e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q358e339056df838aaaba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4de4ef740587ba85d2ae","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":691,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:31:08.832Z","text":"就是luc破产缴的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q759a82159a2c3b8c645e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4de4ef740587ba85d2ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q759a82159a2c3b8c645e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4caff180ce2bb1c9b913","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":692,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:31:41.539Z","text":"sealed","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4caff180ce2bb1c9b913","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9c0da947ebe8ba806d61","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":693,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T17:31:48.836Z","text":"所以他追缴的  有 G 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就很重要了！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2104a296fecd5cec1f05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q438b2c8669ebf5e8aa4e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":700,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:44:30.333Z","text":"不合格的索赔者 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是第三方动议的时候","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a52b54bfdae08f704c3","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9b9b2a7e3c07a72fe2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容未公开或已清洗排除","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9b9fea40b0700a312c16","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":703,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:44:52.865Z","text":"我们要上去写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b9fea40b0700a312c16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q50477a86ad49e6f00e82","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":704,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:44:55.200Z","text":"谁不合格","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50477a86ad49e6f00e82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9b6e9e864d0bb119836e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":705,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:45:46.925Z","text":"几乎所有受害者 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你说的是错的🤣可以上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2fc54657b6d7027bd695","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12e93ce2983d6226eb41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fc54657b6d7027bd695","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa89612ee3fcc8b45fe1b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":710,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T17:50:00.418Z","text":"有第四修正案呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa89612ee3fcc8b45fe1b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3c08331f2a5084961790","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":711,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T17:51:19.490Z","text":"法官同意没收财产必须满足两个条件其中一个：（1）和被告有关；（2）是犯罪所得","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c08331f2a5084961790","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1839f25bd2da9485ac6e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":712,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T17:51:41.968Z","text":"还有希望","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12e93ce2983d6226eb41","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1839f25bd2da9485ac6e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12e93ce2983d6226eb41","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q796ea52995699e8d972f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":713,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T17:51:49.319Z","text":"我觉得他们可能不会证明和郭有关，他们会说这些钱是犯罪所得","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q796ea52995699e8d972f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q1c8cd2460c0979a0993b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":714,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T17:52:04.281Z","text":"这样的话，他们就不用拿出破产案子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c8cd2460c0979a0993b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q125c977e743b715a8a39","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":715,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:52:59.112Z","text":"第三方这一关 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开启第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d3343d6b5a56fb9fe9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q19e3207e6c652f574350","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":719,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:54:28.104Z","text":"你就算先量刑再开第三方 我们捅上去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19e3207e6c652f574350","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2809bee877a9c4ffb506","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":720,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T17:54:46.156Z","text":"到时候老郭上诉 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检方 违反第四修正案 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pz0***］  你今天第一次说话 说明我们搞的事情 你们坐不住了吧🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee9d3a5508c8bd4e9265","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6b85cd6abdfb903ff899","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":751,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T18:08:52.274Z","text":"他们会找一些乱七八糟的理由证明，看看会不会拿出破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3482e960d5879a686e80","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b85cd6abdfb903ff899","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3482e960d5879a686e80","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q4251336f5e7ace2e13ca","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":752,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:09:51.530Z","text":"那是胡搅和了吗？把破产案和刑事案件一起","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4251336f5e7ace2e13ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q0b9a9869bacd293548d4","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":753,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T18:11:21.064Z","text":"法官如果量刑之后发现程序不正义，那真是生米煮成熟饭了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b9a9869bacd293548d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q44c48181200d239eb9cd","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":754,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T18:12:26.222Z","text":"所以 还是上诉解决问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b9a9869bacd293548d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44c48181200d239eb9cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b9a9869bacd293548d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q43b9afbfad04f412611a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":755,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:12:54.166Z","text":"我觉得到不了上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43b9afbfad04f412611a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qc6140cbb767e76d246e0","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":756,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T18:12:55.387Z","text":"如果第三方提出的是重大、持续的异议，法庭必须审理，不能简单忽略","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6140cbb767e76d246e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q35f74d07c435bd58b031","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":757,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:13:48.583Z","text":"郭都破产了 哪里来的钱给他支付，如果支付是追缴的钱，那完全可以怀疑是就是G 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凡是说第三方行动没用的 都是因为我们的行动戳到了他们的g点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0d7d12fc1ffd303bbba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5fdf9574e6ba6a59ee13","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":761,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:15:15.413Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fdf9574e6ba6a59ee13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qac050c41838bc1b9c66d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":762,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T18:15:19.349Z","text":"法官吃熟饭 还有上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0cd82c2f7fcac0de70c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac050c41838bc1b9c66d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0cd82c2f7fcac0de70c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q17452cef6cae79b81d2a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":763,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T18:15:38.864Z","text":"螺丝哥说法官是金饭碗，吃了熟饭，金饭碗就要砸了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17452cef6cae79b81d2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q94f7de033e0aae91c1ed","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":764,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:15:46.972Z","text":"就是程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94f7de033e0aae91c1ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd7bb7742e8a4b5c8e070","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":765,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T18:16:18.733Z","text":"破产了luc还不是找到了很多钱，他花的是他认为的郭的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35f74d07c435bd58b031","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7bb7742e8a4b5c8e070","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35f74d07c435bd58b031","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6c7b96b12a1c9b83788a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":766,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:18:02.421Z","text":"我觉得他现在不敢耍流氓","edited":false,"reply_to":"q812f098ba3b23ca2f1b0","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c7b96b12a1c9b83788a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qadbb0362f107c0a4b52a","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":767,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:18:23.624Z","text":"不然不会这么拖了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadbb0362f107c0a4b52a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q91212448f41914c86eb5","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":768,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:19:14.678Z","text":"我觉得拆诉的可能比较大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91212448f41914c86eb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qd39254ced6be6fcc0920","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":769,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:20:57.015Z","text":"三步曲，之前郭先生直播说过的，最后还是鸡毛🪶……","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd39254ced6be6fcc0920","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe62f1061851a26c56fdb","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":770,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T18:21:02.727Z","text":"关键是外国人不受控制","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe62f1061851a26c56fdb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qeb5135e1cbd5ac5b086f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":771,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T18:21:16.731Z","text":"外国人不好控制","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb5135e1cbd5ac5b086f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q70483479ff40b2debc57","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":772,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-24T18:25:16.279Z","text":"他要考虑他的后半生","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70483479ff40b2debc57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q45cc3265c034e116d392","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":773,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T18:53:43.766Z","text":"这个30天的限制指的是第一次提出动议还是所有动议都得30内提出，咱们肯定是持久战","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45cc3265c034e116d392","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2fdc3c8efad96ae1e90d","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":774,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T18:58:55.090Z","text":"所有动议"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Torres会先判老郭的刑，判刑当天出初步没收令，开启30天动议提交期，然后处理第三方动议。\n\n2. 老郭被判刑以后肯定要上诉，上诉期间，Torres处理你们第三方动议还可能暂停，所以其实等到处理你们动议的时候老郭要么：\n\n2.1 老郭刑事案翻案：如果是这种情况，那么政府扣押资产都会还给老郭；\n\n2.2 老郭刑事案上诉失败：那你们打第三方动议给老郭翻案也没有用，你说了上诉不审核新证据，只看现有证据\n\n3. 你想通过打第三方动议给老郭翻案，理由是通过第三方动议可以逼Luc交出他登记了哪些老郭的债权人，然后想办法证明这些债权人中有的人申报虚假债权，然后被检方拿来作为老郭搞诈骗的受害人立了一个刑事案，是这个思路吧。如果Luc老奸巨猾，从刑事案第三方程序里退出了，他说政府扣押的资产Luc我不要了，那你怎么通过刑事庭动议继续逼Luc拿出债权人名单？你要想一个备用方案，比如（我随便举例）去破产庭打Luc？\n\n4. 当然，你想提第三方动议尽管去提，谁也阻止不了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee9d3a5508c8bd4e9265","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee9d3a5508c8bd4e9265","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2862838f97f38460467b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":781,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.239Z","text":"你就按照自己的情况发就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2862838f97f38460467b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q6174920316a2405d2d78","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":782,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:06:30.352Z","text":"检方已经说luc会来拿钱，如果luc 现在退出要给个理由。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6174920316a2405d2d78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf4d6557db92624bab991","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":783,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:08:53.919Z","text":"那就只能是希望等第三方处理后七哥再上诉，如果马上上诉，就没有时间提交新证据了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d6557db92624bab991","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qe8b22dd8ac1f1ec783c2","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":784,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:09:11.280Z","text":"第三方不可能给郭翻案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8b22dd8ac1f1ec783c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q9506fa68595dc5beecf5","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":785,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:09:29.845Z","text":"翻案需要郭自己的律师去翻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9506fa68595dc5beecf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q89d322d6d76ce1b70707","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":786,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:09:37.673Z","text":"第三方是提交新证据的，等到上诉开始，就不能提交新证据了，那翻案就更难了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8b22dd8ac1f1ec783c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89d322d6d76ce1b70707","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8b22dd8ac1f1ec783c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7d341151905c41ed6e78","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":787,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:10:10.775Z","text":"第三方只是合法拿回自己资产，如果其中发现了什么程序问题，也是附带的。第三方不可能翻案！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d341151905c41ed6e78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qae593e7fd2c9f9b02799","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":788,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:10:28.557Z","text":"翻案要郭律师自己去做。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae593e7fd2c9f9b02799","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q55c1e678140d7e68a304","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":789,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:11:27.141Z","text":"不是拿回资产，是不承认资产归被告，也不同意被没收","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7d341151905c41ed6e78","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55c1e678140d7e68a304","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d341151905c41ed6e78","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q158c79c4ebead98f9062","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":790,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:11:46.712Z","text":"反正第三方只能说和自己资产相关的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q158c79c4ebead98f9062","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q3f929efabfbefdf78ddf","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":791,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T19:12:07.773Z","text":"那就第三方第一天 大家赶紧传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f929efabfbefdf78ddf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q7dee38e2b560fd7cb865","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":792,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:12:54.384Z","text":"这个都知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q158c79c4ebead98f9062","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dee38e2b560fd7cb865","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q158c79c4ebead98f9062","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qed6358c9ebe860a4932f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":793,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:16:56.166Z","text":"这个不会就是检方提出的动议吧，如果是，那是不是没收令随时会下来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q741a426695d18b7b0d2f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed6358c9ebe860a4932f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qf132a3ec238756fde39f","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":794,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T19:17:52.426Z","text":"luc 不可能会给你任何人 提交名单   瑞哥只是打的一个 合理怀疑  你不是潜伏了很久吗  怎么还犯这种错误","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf132a3ec238756fde39f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q571cf06deb70ead1d8cd","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":795,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T19:18:45.199Z","text":"［用户 rui***］ 螺丝哥 说了那么多次   法律文件 只能说  合理怀疑，你聋了还是瞎啊 看不见 还是想给瑞哥挖坑  你是解读法律文件的九层妖塔吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q571cf06deb70ead1d8cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q5b2f6d249b5cf1431c8e","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":796,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:08.674Z","text":"检方的动议可以封存吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qed6358c9ebe860a4932f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b2f6d249b5cf1431c8e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed6358c9ebe860a4932f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q2a107789dd157e89f072","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":797,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:22.267Z","text":"他们有什么见不得人的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a107789dd157e89f072","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"q380de56205349560c132","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":798,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:35.504Z","text":"一般封存的动议是不是都是第三方的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q380de56205349560c132","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qefc378e1662f6cb6d87b","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":799,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:45.251Z","text":"证人之类的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefc378e1662f6cb6d87b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"},{"id":"qa7bdb1fbb99c196590f9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":800,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:21:07.142Z","text":"希望吧，我的动议还没写完","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7bdb1fbb99c196590f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000017","next_batch_id":"batch-000019"}