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it is possible to convict someone for fraud even without specific, identified victims who have suffered a demonstrable loss. While the prosecution needs to prove intent to defraud, the success of the scheme or actual financial harm to a victim is not always a prerequisite for a conviction.   这是我查的ai，不保对不在我知识范围（但我知道有些罪刑确实甚至不需要具体受害人存在比如诱奸孩童）各位可以查下自己的ai确定下对不对。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q4ba6b5f3224b3be338c9","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":8,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:07:50.653Z","text":"这个无所谓","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ba6b5f3224b3be338c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0edad4e04b1a6932c5b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qc8f368a8d5ac2c9555cc","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":9,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:08:56.134Z","text":"有所谓吧，就是你一个具体被害人都找不到，只要具体诈骗框架做实、资金流动存在，就够了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8f368a8d5ac2c9555cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q8be7d3d70b18c1400992","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":10,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:09:36.244Z","text":"这个也不是我们攻击的重点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8be7d3d70b18c1400992","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q569ed2852c71160132c1","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":11,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:09:41.844Z","text":"当然我知道你是想把受害弄成非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q569ed2852c71160132c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q47c39b1c697fa3e7d51e","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":12,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:09:56.677Z","text":"所以可能确实无所谓对你来说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47c39b1c697fa3e7d51e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q3cdf95c08afd34991548","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":13,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:10:02.878Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q569ed2852c71160132c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cdf95c08afd34991548","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q569ed2852c71160132c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q0cc58b6f1d19f68c888d","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":14,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:10:07.170Z","text":"你又没听懂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cc58b6f1d19f68c888d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q285a5f756f7888bbcdc1","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":15,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:10:27.530Z","text":"我表述没法跟你一致，我明白你意思。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3cdf95c08afd34991548","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q285a5f756f7888bbcdc1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cdf95c08afd34991548","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qbd4170ee4164784f41b5","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":16,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:10:44.980Z","text":"各人有个人的口头阐述，我不精通法务毕竟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd4170ee4164784f41b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q87153d53d625f985423d","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":17,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:11:38.410Z","text":"踢掉无资格债权人，暴露程序不正义如此云云，老生常谈；但我觉得有些群友是纠结受害人群体的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87153d53d625f985423d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q3cf6b7eedf66a37f76ab","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":18,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:12:47.587Z","text":"我只是提醒下跟你不一致的群友，搞不搞清受害人具体是谁这个思路，是走不通的。你无需参考","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cf6b7eedf66a37f76ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-00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现在就在拖","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b366cdfd95120518c45","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q797f59c87fb61ced8607","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b366cdfd95120518c45","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q0dd0f62a94b6c10a0dea","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":31,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:44:16.893Z","text":"法官如果同意延期，情理之中。新律师解释有客观的道理，虽然我很不愿意看到，希望9.8如期，等得厌倦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dd0f62a94b6c10a0dea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qdad50282b6305e371456","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":32,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T05:44:33.283Z","text":"如果不延期，那真是法官忍无可忍了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdad50282b6305e371456","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q5cf91a1c0670e1f129b5","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":33,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:59:25.507Z","text":"不延期 法官就要提前面对我们这群精神病","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdad50282b6305e371456","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cf91a1c0670e1f129b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdad50282b6305e371456","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q56dfb06d85cd63110cf9","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":34,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T05:59:39.584Z","text":"两瓶毒药 让她选一瓶","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56dfb06d85cd63110cf9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q4ea249b257d38a061583","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":35,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T06:00:12.966Z","text":"感觉得延期，律师说的确实有道理，准备时间少了；只能说我希望不延期，但愿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ea249b257d38a061583","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q5d28c0b40a079df1587b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":36,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T06:08:01.043Z","text":"法官可以驳回拒绝检方要求资产没收，就说等判决后再没收。然后同意延期。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5cf91a1c0670e1f129b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d28c0b40a079df1587b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cf91a1c0670e1f129b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd967860b0ecd6e9f87b2","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":37,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:08:51.572Z","text":"这样干可以 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这个是后来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2215c587cfd4204888cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea2b4a1503c6cc77c7c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2215c587cfd4204888cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qfe33e1db4532cb2378ab","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":54,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:31:10.543Z","text":"所以不是这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe33e1db4532cb2378ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qeba0a954956921cccff5","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":55,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:31:11.971Z","text":"我的意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeba0a954956921cccff5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd9627088b7f8519f0eac","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":56,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:31:18.304Z","text":"315之前的受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9627088b7f8519f0eac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q5f910541142c49f80bea","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":57,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:31:23.235Z","text":"到现在尼玛就是个黑盒子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f910541142c49f80bea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q681ac9e036ca25fcccfd","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":58,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T06:31:53.135Z","text":"嗯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q681ac9e036ca25fcccfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q35008da54f2b39359c0c","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":59,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T06:32:47.358Z","text":"到现在，检方不可能在这事儿上造假了吧，做不到了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd9627088b7f8519f0eac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35008da54f2b39359c0c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9627088b7f8519f0eac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qcbba833c9478dda17ee6","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":60,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:33:04.243Z","text":"检方要严防死守 这个底线","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35008da54f2b39359c0c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbba833c9478dda17ee6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35008da54f2b39359c0c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q5f6825fcd3ab1933b57c","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":61,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:33:10.358Z","text":"不能把初始受害人公布","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f6825fcd3ab1933b57c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q4b4debd7d66e19c84881","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":62,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:33:20.430Z","text":"但其实是我们进入了一个误区","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b4debd7d66e19c84881","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q85fc41b88481bff7f250","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":63,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:33:28.246Z","text":"主要不是初始受害人的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85fc41b88481bff7f250","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd2247b13b2e70a8eeff4","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":64,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:33:33.137Z","text":"而是初始抓捕依据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2247b13b2e70a8eeff4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qe9c21fa0f369c58e25bf","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":65,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:33:38.847Z","text":"我们要打的是抓捕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9c21fa0f369c58e25bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q0ad12ba7f4b02d5fe4a5","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":66,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:33:51.480Z","text":"根据 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种下毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a0965eb6553c194feac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q0289f9e5f124cdb42708","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":69,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T06:34:46.902Z","text":"抓人要先起诉，再立案，然后抓捕，是不是这个顺序？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0289f9e5f124cdb42708","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qac1c6a89bc870ceff147","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":70,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:34:53.624Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0289f9e5f124cdb42708","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1c6a89bc870ceff147","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0289f9e5f124cdb42708","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q3cbfdbc0153b4374dbaf","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":71,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:34:59.397Z","text":"抓捕还要通过大陪审团","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cbfdbc0153b4374dbaf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qb4dcb7f93d40c59381fc","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":72,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:35:09.128Z","text":"具体怎么操作 ［用户 reb***］ 有解释","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4dcb7f93d40c59381fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q4a107a5949649b36890a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":73,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T06:35:24.071Z","text":"那就看看受害人在这里是不是必须条件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a107a5949649b36890a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q365fe729a9aec2365087","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":74,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:35:29.699Z","text":"他的意思 只要证明有欺诈意图 就可以抓捕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q365fe729a9aec2365087","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q7a7bf37c586b365cb7c3","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":75,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:35:36.959Z","text":"而债权人是欺诈意图的关键","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a7bf37c586b365cb7c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa1209b3c39a0913fb9ad","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":76,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T06:35:41.932Z","text":"或者决定抓捕的要素到底是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1209b3c39a0913fb9ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q85eb3edf9fc236209274","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":77,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:36:04.435Z","text":"你可以爬下楼 看看他说的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1209b3c39a0913fb9ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85eb3edf9fc236209274","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1209b3c39a0913fb9ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qce0ffe72dcc301df8b78","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":78,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T06:36:14.239Z","text":"正在看","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85eb3edf9fc236209274","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce0ffe72dcc301df8b78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85eb3edf9fc236209274","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q46e30815fc442064f0d1","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":79,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T06:47:18.032Z","text":"逮捕前的大陪审团跟后面庭审的陪审团是两回事，前面陪审团允许传闻证据，再加上只是流于形式，所以检方可以张口就开说收到几千受害者举报，后面呈现给陪审团的证据不能是传闻证据。抓人的依据就是破产法庭的枉法判令加上检方说收到数千受害者举报。因为即使被告把投资者的钱变成他自己的钱这一法律事实做实，有可能是投资者自愿捐赠等理由，所以检方必须捏造说有几千受害者举报。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q365fe729a9aec2365087","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46e30815fc442064f0d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q365fe729a9aec2365087","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qfc1f3e67d96857983580","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":80,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:51:32.767Z","text":"明白","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46e30815fc442064f0d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc1f3e67d96857983580","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46e30815fc442064f0d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q13ff6d996bce857dd35c","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":81,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T06:57:20.229Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ 机器人推测你说的抓捕逻辑完全合理！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13ff6d996bce857dd35c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q51215e2157b480ed7bbf","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":82,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T07:03:57.282Z","text":"实际上这也是我跟多个机器人讨论后得出的结论。陪审团裁决有罪后我一直都没明白它们怎么做到的，然后跟多个机器人讨论没得出信服的结论，直到社交媒体上有人点出破产法庭的程序不正义，可能是群里的某人转述的螺丝哥的结论，然后我才把这个来龙去脉理顺了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q13ff6d996bce857dd35c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51215e2157b480ed7bbf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13ff6d996bce857dd35c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd3cb7bf4dfa9eb7c2271","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":83,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T07:33:02.376Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ 这个分析跟gpt说法一致，破产案庭结论就是抓人的合理根据","edited":true,"reply_to":"q71c7c72a628105ae4d11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3cb7bf4dfa9eb7c2271","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71c7c72a628105ae4d11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q6bed53fe1264b2155ca2","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":84,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:35:01.487Z","text":"［用户 ***］ 老子在联盟 灭爆组 都有人 弄死你分分钟","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bed53fe1264b2155ca2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q0a5478b2f156eb5868f1","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":85,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:50:22.467Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  如果这样的话 审查逮捕是否非法 是让检方回复 还是法官？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a5478b2f156eb5868f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q5559299083b99a278b2e","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":86,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:54:44.295Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  我觉得你的理论让我们找到了重点 不是找初始受害人 而是找初始逮捕的依据 然后打掉","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5559299083b99a278b2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q72a4e302a7ec23b711c7","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":87,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:54:53.655Z","text":"案子就结束了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72a4e302a7ec23b711c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qec9b1a0999326b9fc3be","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":88,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:54:55.778Z","text":"对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec9b1a0999326b9fc3be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q509359f64849a47f8de7","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":89,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T07:55:27.029Z","text":"第三方只能通过为了保全自己的财产的呈现呈堂证供里没有受害人这一于检方说有数千受害者举报相矛盾的事实在卷宗，如果去要求额外的，反而可以让法官抓到驳回且不枉法的瑕疵。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a5478b2f156eb5868f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q509359f64849a47f8de7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a5478b2f156eb5868f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q69038203dba0fee8943f","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":90,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:56:04.456Z","text":"第三方可以用非法受害人和你抢钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q509359f64849a47f8de7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69038203dba0fee8943f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q509359f64849a47f8de7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q2f58e23097298a95aaa1","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":91,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:56:14.076Z","text":"来打击别的受害人进入没收程序资格","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f58e23097298a95aaa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q312ee807e7cfc7d353b1","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":92,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:56:33.108Z","text":"所以 逮捕非法还是合法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q312ee807e7cfc7d353b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q6d1b71253a376147e5ec","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":93,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:56:37.751Z","text":"关系到第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d1b71253a376147e5ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd31ea8dff22ebc15d18a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":94,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T07:57:03.436Z","text":"如果非法逮捕 那么所有关于逮捕衍生的受害人 都是非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd31ea8dff22ebc15d18a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q6b8d294bb515da1e744d","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":95,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T08:02:33.436Z","text":"这个看具体怎么组织语言和引用法条，达到的目的就是在卷宗里呈现出来，破产案的判令有严重程序不正义，检方说有数千受害者举报没有呈堂证供支撑。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd31ea8dff22ebc15d18a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b8d294bb515da1e744d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd31ea8dff22ebc15d18a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa4d8d216aea8918da982","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":96,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T08:03:39.285Z","text":"你提醒我了 数千受害人这一点我可以打","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b8d294bb515da1e744d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4d8d216aea8918da982","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b8d294bb515da1e744d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa88974b62157ad1b978c","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":97,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T08:03:48.912Z","text":"本来这是律师做的事，只是本案太过荒唐，第三方要维护自己利益只能这么干。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa88974b62157ad1b978c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd33fcb207ec63161af76","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":98,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T08:14:09.691Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  对于债权人 你那套抓人的逻辑 你有多大把握？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd33fcb207ec63161af76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qe0f6a154299354ceef2a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":99,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T08:15:56.164Z","text":"我坚信，检方在逮捕前，它收到的举报远远低于几千甚至根本没有。它就是用我说的说辞来抓人的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd33fcb207ec63161af76","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0f6a154299354ceef2a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd33fcb207ec63161af76","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q026d563572d06ffac31b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":100,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T08:17:08.148Z","text":"因为被告做到了100%无瑕疵，检方只能这样抓人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q026d563572d06ffac31b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q59f79c89b24ae262d8fd","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":101,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-28T08:23:07.085Z","text":"肯定有人报案，但是，为什么报案，报谁的案，是不是假案，这就不一定了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe0f6a154299354ceef2a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59f79c89b24ae262d8fd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0f6a154299354ceef2a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q266a11444f06b5301c3b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":102,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T08:35:39.580Z","text":"第三方可以说反对数千受害人来抢钱，但怎么才能说到这数千人不存在呢？既然不存在第三方发动议就没有意义了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b8d294bb515da1e744d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q266a11444f06b5301c3b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b8d294bb515da1e744d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qc2240a277baef8069f24","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":103,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T08:47:17.973Z","text":"排除rico共谋犯的组织登记的那些名单，卷宗上就没有受害人证据了。检方说有几千人举报两年多过去了，呈堂证供里受害人都没有，这种明显的矛盾呈现出来就够了。我只能想到这一步，作为第三方要点名法官正式这一点我还没想出好的思路。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q266a11444f06b5301c3b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2240a277baef8069f24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q266a11444f06b5301c3b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q99715a4b044cb6b315d6","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":104,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T08:48:01.489Z","text":"这一点螺丝哥和朱贝贝问了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc2240a277baef8069f24","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99715a4b044cb6b315d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2240a277baef8069f24","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q3c5deb148367704df037","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":105,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T08:48:07.721Z","text":"法官说找检方 搪塞过去了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c5deb148367704df037","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q8921ca129d2a46707869","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":106,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T08:48:16.687Z","text":"我觉得法官死活都不肯说的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8921ca129d2a46707869","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q2389a50a7f43ef65cc93","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":107,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T08:48:51.330Z","text":"我准备逼他们说的方法是合理分析  如果你不说 检方有可能违反第四修正案 种下毒树之果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2389a50a7f43ef65cc93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa32c45b4111d897c751b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":108,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T09:07:13.424Z","text":"那既然法官都被问了，法官为了不枉法，不得不排除那些非法名单后，它自己就看着办了。没有受害者，没有实体犯罪，只因为陪审团认为被告有诈骗意图，当法庭上有人质疑检方的几千受害者举报没有证据支撑时，你依然假装检方就是收到了几千受害者而不去质疑，然后任性给个仅凭诈骗意图的最高处罚？它很可能这么做。但如果法官真的不枉法按照第三方动议驳回那些名单和驳回luc根据破产法庭令来要钱的请求。这时律师不得不有所作为了。再不作为拿就是比之前的律师更加明显的配合陷害了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa32c45b4111d897c751b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qaa71c407b6165be033f0","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":109,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:08:32.927Z","text":"如果初步没收令不得不下来 我觉得法官会全部驳回","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa32c45b4111d897c751b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa71c407b6165be033f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa32c45b4111d897c751b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q61ac0198865ac935a8c6","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":110,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:08:39.509Z","text":"不管你写了啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61ac0198865ac935a8c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qc98558ac04d541f896b0","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":111,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:08:41.588Z","text":"全部必回","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc98558ac04d541f896b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qbed55b9a964787fc5f5a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":112,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:08:43.830Z","text":"驳回","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbed55b9a964787fc5f5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa23948c50ba1cc4154a0","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":113,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T09:09:04.739Z","text":"然后律师真的就是不作为，这些呈现到上诉法庭后，不知那些法官怎么看。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa23948c50ba1cc4154a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa0d5b288ccc511adce58","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":114,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:09:30.851Z","text":"老郭新律师也很难作为","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa23948c50ba1cc4154a0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0d5b288ccc511adce58","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa23948c50ba1cc4154a0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qbca386e6f57c934fa192","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":115,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:09:35.296Z","text":"连律师费都收不到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbca386e6f57c934fa192","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa39b8dbdd9b4c82960bd","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":116,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T09:10:02.731Z","text":"我也是这么认为的。因为这一步枉法不直接针对被告，看上去不是那么坏。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbed55b9a964787fc5f5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa39b8dbdd9b4c82960bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbed55b9a964787fc5f5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qc60ff128f40dc5b4b096","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":117,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:10:20.854Z","text":"对了 你是法律专业的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc60ff128f40dc5b4b096","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q9fb83325468d87a998b8","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":118,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:10:29.869Z","text":"感觉你对案了解很丰富啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fb83325468d87a998b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qec5c3383ad2c88abcdd3","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":119,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T09:10:32.349Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc60ff128f40dc5b4b096","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec5c3383ad2c88abcdd3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc60ff128f40dc5b4b096","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q7bcd3715f1aeb1fe72e5","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":120,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T09:16:01.568Z","text":"法律专业不可能得出这种富有创见的思路的...","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bcd3715f1aeb1fe72e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":121,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-07-28T09:16:25.718Z","text":"我不认为律师最终是因为收不到律师费，最终还是会因为家人被威胁。如果仅因为律师费，难道他真的不懂打刑事官司就是打程序不正义和证据，那些伪证是如此明显，被告一点，马上就可以精准的找到怎么呈现程序不正义。他们早就可以发动议排除破产法庭令作为呈堂证据，排除rico同谋犯的一系列非法名单，然后直指检方说收到几千受害者举报。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbca386e6f57c934fa192","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbca386e6f57c934fa192","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q58b06815a80531f4c70b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":122,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-28T09:16:59.474Z","text":"你厉害啊。让瑞哥一夜不睡的跟你讨论😁","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec5c3383ad2c88abcdd3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58b06815a80531f4c70b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec5c3383ad2c88abcdd3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qc1274f74530479c92bb6","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":123,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T09:17:35.368Z","text":"况且我把重大程序不正义都给律师发过去了 还电话跟她说了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1274f74530479c92bb6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qad283b3236aa40930604","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":124,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T09:29:10.429Z","text":"那上千债权人是老班长忽悠的 之前还有录音 如果你申请了债权人你可以现身说法 联盟怎么忽悠的你 填债权人目的不是因为觉得老郭有欺诈嫌疑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q266a11444f06b5301c3b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad283b3236aa40930604","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q266a11444f06b5301c3b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qc2c1b37d527c32e5d106","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":125,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T09:30:31.763Z","text":"之前咱们就推测了 那几千受害者到底哪来的 只能是债权人这块 所以就提债权人联盟怎么忽悠的就行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2c1b37d527c32e5d106","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qfb4f2f18f8cbd93749dc","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":126,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T09:37:02.449Z","text":"还有法官判案得参考被告是否有主动欺诈的意愿  被害者被欺诈的实际金钱损失  共谋在这里面的作用 这些都影响判案 咱就说咱知道的 律师不提咱们提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb4f2f18f8cbd93749dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q9e24dce7c7765e99bc47","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":127,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T09:40:03.937Z","text":"就是你为啥填债权人 这块 不是因为觉得郭欺诈 觉得钱给老郭拿走了 是别人忽悠的 而且检方那些所谓受害者 肯定拿不出来证明 投资者和受害者不是一码事 他们给弄成一码事了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e24dce7c7765e99bc47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qffbf9734c3c11b786f92","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":128,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T09:44:10.264Z","text":"我觉得也是 律师能接这个案子 赢了能吃一辈子 不是眼前这点钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffbf9734c3c11b786f92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q719aed13dbe811def11b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":129,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-28T09:58:05.134Z","text":"总结：\n美国法庭可以在陪审团尚未解散的情况下召回陪审团，要求澄清或重新审议矛盾的裁决，但这不是常见做法，且受到严格的程序限制。一旦陪审团解散，召回通常不可行，法院可能通过宣布无效审判或接受不一致裁决来处理。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q719aed13dbe811def11b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q503374fd008d3135beb4","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":130,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-28T09:59:26.403Z","text":"https://x.com/i/grok/share/1nWVlE8qLQOs8KR2F296OlR3n","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q503374fd008d3135beb4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qdc82d632916cc07347e0","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":131,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-28T10:01:04.416Z","text":"陪审团中途是换人的。可以把部分人换掉。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q415761d9412d408ae6fe","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc82d632916cc07347e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q569e9735677dbd525958","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":132,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-28T10:03:48.912Z","text":"法官的命令有没有妨碍司法一说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82b109563afc3b623861","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q569e9735677dbd525958","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qefca4dabc18507a5a959","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":133,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-28T10:07:05.918Z","text":"把这种情况问一下gpt试试。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79215a9224d600f8a464","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefca4dabc18507a5a959","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qb5cac5036604d228e1a9","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":134,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-28T10:09:22.653Z","text":"晕 上面已经问了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5cac5036604d228e1a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q2add0193d62db037483f","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":135,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:24:49.790Z","text":"这个倾风乐 也去法庭上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2add0193d62db037483f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa88919279e7f1195f14c","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":136,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:24:53.036Z","text":"https://x.com/pylecharle39168/status/1949773369835946393?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa88919279e7f1195f14c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd158f4c7f1467646d359","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":137,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-28T10:25:27.984Z","text":"这个清风乐不是砸锅的啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd158f4c7f1467646d359","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q1e84ce632d0db82b2068","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":138,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:25:51.952Z","text":"是啊。他来法庭跟我们第三方对着干？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e84ce632d0db82b2068","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q494e9b6c731c377be52f","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":139,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:28:17.761Z","text":"这完全是Sabrina辩护的问题 啥也没说清楚 检方证人就是脑白金策略 就说诈骗不断重复 人海战术 也不说具体怎么受损失的 律师没追抓住一个点死打 陪审团啥也没记住","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6cb5ea59f7f601ca74f6","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q494e9b6c731c377be52f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q1b99c15541e4742e886b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":140,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:28:20.554Z","text":"https://x.com/pylecharle39168/status/1949777096538271967?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b99c15541e4742e886b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q3876695bbc4284d0a292","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":141,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:28:54.495Z","text":"味累的分析。有可能是个真信息。毕竟乾坤颠倒了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3876695bbc4284d0a292","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q44bb3daaf8d58837d0df","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":142,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:32:08.261Z","text":"是的 辩方不够狠 就是联盟干的 给他们抖落出来RiCO  陪审团就懂了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44bb3daaf8d58837d0df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q3911c4549e6e3597a546","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":143,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:33:01.869Z","text":"结果东一句西一句 又上千受害者 陪审团都不知道gtv投资人和其他项目投资人其实是一波人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3911c4549e6e3597a546","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q432e60f0f0bb6df743e8","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":144,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T10:38:30.431Z","text":"这是315以后的事吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa88919279e7f1195f14c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q432e60f0f0bb6df743e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa88919279e7f1195f14c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd54eb8c59c9372257b13","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":145,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-28T10:42:42.452Z","text":"这家伙关注的都是破产案的文件，能拉过来聊聊就好了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd54eb8c59c9372257b13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qea15cc71a10bfdc617a5","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":146,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:46:04.185Z","text":"这个人我看了一下 大概意思就是联盟诈骗的证据一堆 都是老郭指使的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea15cc71a10bfdc617a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q05a4d4e9a29986a9cba2","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":147,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:49:31.730Z","text":"所以现在问题就是到底是老郭指使的 还是他们自己干的 还是中共指使的 虎子哥的证词就表明了 谎报受害者这事是中共指使的 其他人就不能被影响？检方就不考虑利于被告的这种可能性 但律师又没抓住检方隐瞒利于被告的证据 污点证人都让检方给弄走了 咱这边一个没弄来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05a4d4e9a29986a9cba2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qe3ccab5b0699785f593b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":148,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T10:49:33.656Z","text":"螺丝哥的家人都没被威胁，律师家人会被威胁？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3ccab5b0699785f593b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69c425bfef1ac3e4d35a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qdbb288c89c1e4f870cca","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":149,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T10:51:08.596Z","text":"这个案子搞到现在，是因为老律师没做啥，但到底他们为什么摆烂不清楚。最重要的是，战友们什么都没做！有些人还帮助陷害。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb288c89c1e4f870cca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa302aa1cecfa3d5e2417","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":150,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T10:51:37.778Z","text":"新律师为什么突然摆烂也不清楚，也别瞎猜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa302aa1cecfa3d5e2417","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q3cb9ee0ec31d54e1598a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":151,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T10:57:05.370Z","text":"联盟从一开始就宣传郭被抓是因为美国司法超限战，美国黑暗势力，拜登，这个那个。联盟的话，都得打个问号。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cb9ee0ec31d54e1598a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qe2a32f9a6d81304b35e2","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":152,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T10:57:37.619Z","text":"郭案搞到现在，战友要付很大责任。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2a32f9a6d81304b35e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q6e03d7b20c61cc82335e","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":153,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T10:58:05.383Z","text":"当然主要是CCP在背后错误引导战友。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e03d7b20c61cc82335e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qdb3c72ad659a1e14f771","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":154,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T10:58:38.535Z","text":"就应该RiCO 这样辩方才能有机会搞到污点证人 但是检方有不起诉的特权 现在他们往七哥身上一推 一个个高枕无忧 无解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb3c72ad659a1e14f771","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qcf2a8e17e336394a1bc4","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":155,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:00:01.786Z","text":"虎子哥没用 是因为虎子哥没干脏事 只能找到这么一个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf2a8e17e336394a1bc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qd3f4dce5d982b6d1196a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":156,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:03:31.666Z","text":"我感觉老江要是屁股不干净就最适合干这事 找干净的没用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3f4dce5d982b6d1196a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q34a3957e5a2a4a03c780","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":157,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:04:57.089Z","text":"威胁是最笨的 花点小钱是最合理的 你心甘情愿的替他们干活","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3ccab5b0699785f593b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a3957e5a2a4a03c780","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3ccab5b0699785f593b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q9aac4ae8177f73795d9a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":158,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T11:05:58.103Z","text":"新律师感觉称职了，毕竟现在的程序就是尽量争取给被告少量刑，律师提出延期以便全面寻找减刑点，合理尽职，不错的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa302aa1cecfa3d5e2417","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9aac4ae8177f73795d9a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa302aa1cecfa3d5e2417","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa85ca5ce040d75114798","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":159,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:07:15.685Z","text":"新律师这个方向 他没实锤证据就是浪费时间 按他去政府这个找法 就是押宝的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa85ca5ce040d75114798","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":160,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T11:07:33.052Z","text":"为什么不给螺丝点小钱呢，咱说实话螺丝非常务实，支持习主席包括，这个我完全做不到甘拜下风，我敢说螺丝不能否认，中共给螺丝一套房子加100万美金，九牛一毛吧?相对于螺丝的重要性，螺丝终生不会再沾手郭任何事啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34a3957e5a2a4a03c780","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a3957e5a2a4a03c780","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q5382f2de52819c23d892","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":161,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:08:10.866Z","text":"搞luc 虚假债权人 搞联盟这帮人 找一个污点证人就能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5382f2de52819c23d892","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qb56a59df5a1d1fb0d815","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":162,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T11:08:46.186Z","text":"螺丝人也不贪心，这些够了，不至于非要郭出来以后有机会做中国副总统之类的，开个玩笑，就那个意思你明白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb56a59df5a1d1fb0d815","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qabbbe9aee69f2d6a1af9","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":163,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:09:33.781Z","text":"你也不用杠 都是正常逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabbbe9aee69f2d6a1af9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q6f3d12287789ef628cd6","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":164,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T11:09:36.591Z","text":"总之大家能反思就是好的，不管最终答案是什么，逐渐看出很多疑问和矛盾的地方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f3d12287789ef628cd6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q181ce88b73775a5d951d","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":165,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-28T11:28:12.320Z","text":"哪怕党要给我钱，你觉得我能接住啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q181ce88b73775a5d951d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q78c57702a70994724888","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":166,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-28T11:28:41.303Z","text":"你觉得我还有任何选择啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78c57702a70994724888","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q559cb346c3a80e7e70db","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":167,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:33:00.340Z","text":"我想到一点 咱们把联盟忽悠填债权人的东西发给检方 luc 咱们律师 或者群里有大咖知道联盟贪污内幕的 都发给检方 那检方就不能隐瞒这些证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q559cb346c3a80e7e70db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q6097850b5c7d24b44b80","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":168,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T11:55:27.953Z","text":"是 区别是老郭妨碍司法 老郭可以说他不懂法律 不是故意的 luc就不好说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6097850b5c7d24b44b80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qad8f9e286c8695adf962","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":169,"speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-28T12:06:48.590Z","text":"这些人要么信联盟乐观的还不够 要么就是想老郭出不来 也挨不着他要钱的事 特别是钱多的 怕被报复 更不敢说话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad8f9e286c8695adf962","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q07b77a6256e4be75a285","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":170,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-28T12:39:35.722Z","text":"把一切都相信的交给了联盟农场大v","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e03d7b20c61cc82335e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07b77a6256e4be75a285","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e03d7b20c61cc82335e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q9139205d0f5aed5de9a8","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":171,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-28T12:45:30.048Z","text":"沾手案件就有100万美元的钱拿，那可好了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9139205d0f5aed5de9a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q841d74b846e51489f584","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":172,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T13:08:25.397Z","text":"自然不可能；但如果一个个体对案件的介入，是解救唯一有能力灭共的人的唯一窗口，那这些钱，再加一个零也划算，对吧？但这种事没有发生，也就是说...（你已经自己说了但不愿意把这个推论套在...）","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9139205d0f5aed5de9a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q841d74b846e51489f584","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9139205d0f5aed5de9a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q99694eaec4c33ccb0ec3","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":173,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-07-28T13:22:51.806Z","text":"直接跟七哥律师通话了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1274f74530479c92bb6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99694eaec4c33ccb0ec3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1274f74530479c92bb6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qbe06ac81aef36372655a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":174,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-28T14:01:17.065Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99694eaec4c33ccb0ec3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe06ac81aef36372655a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99694eaec4c33ccb0ec3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q0ad2709d63663e097798","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":175,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2025-07-28T14:46:51.520Z","text":"你中了他们的计了，共产党就是要这样，用无赖打破你的规则，然后再到处说你不守规矩","edited":false,"reply_to":"qacacc0e81f87f699e255","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ad2709d63663e097798","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qeef0b7b66b37884dd99b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":176,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T14:49:51.029Z","text":"我也觉得，不要把什么都怪到美国这边身上。美国系统不完美，但是美国人会反抗啊。反抗之后，美国系统会纠错啊。你中国人啥不说，人家当然不理你了。只能怪你自己。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4455964d94f42dbeaf9e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeef0b7b66b37884dd99b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复消息为附件，不在归档范围","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q86b00bf14ad5ee4ca852","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":177,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T14:52:16.765Z","text":"就算美国有黑暗势力，他也只欺负那种不说话的人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86b00bf14ad5ee4ca852","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qe5643e3b0e21ffd2231d","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":178,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-28T14:53:58.560Z","text":"规则也要与时俱进啊！不合适，就修改","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ad2709d63663e097798","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5643e3b0e21ffd2231d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ad2709d63663e097798","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qb22d75a699dbc0488d28","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":179,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T14:56:43.605Z","text":"说话也不是乱说, 像朱贝贝那样，胡搅蛮缠，说话要说到点子上。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb22d75a699dbc0488d28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q490661170244ea96f31b","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":180,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T14:57:22.137Z","text":"合法合理的说话，就可以了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q490661170244ea96f31b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q031b95682f16a980a4b2","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":181,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T14:58:59.861Z","text":"给你100万，让你做螺丝哥做的事，你敢吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q031b95682f16a980a4b2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41aa9ea76c39de40a405","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q4b9f6d107a901b8cdd3a","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":182,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T15:05:37.530Z","text":"如果你确实想问我这个问题我可以回答，但这个问题和我原话题不是一回事，你得承认吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b9f6d107a901b8cdd3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qda9c41c00abe5cc2fff2","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":183,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T15:06:55.047Z","text":"先回答啊，你觉得100万比命重要？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4b9f6d107a901b8cdd3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda9c41c00abe5cc2fff2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b9f6d107a901b8cdd3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qf86ababde54024b87ba9","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":184,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T15:07:06.168Z","text":"我的根本意思是：如果一个个体在做切实对中共潜在威胁巨大的事，为什么中共不采取这种手段尝试？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf86ababde54024b87ba9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qbb066766a207dedde752","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":185,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T15:07:27.389Z","text":"你这又完全换话题了；","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda9c41c00abe5cc2fff2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb066766a207dedde752","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda9c41c00abe5cc2fff2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q4b49713727a2aea64ba7","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":186,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T15:07:39.464Z","text":"你想我回答哪个？第一个还是第二个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b49713727a2aea64ba7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q8e597cf4d0a49b1643bf","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":187,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T15:08:13.811Z","text":"你不能忘了，我和你的认知框架不一样。你可能认为你第一个问题等价于第二个，我不一样。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e597cf4d0a49b1643bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qa441506d284f5fdd93d1","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":188,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T15:08:23.415Z","text":"怎么尝试？派人给螺丝哥说，给你一百万，把你那15个动议都撤了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf86ababde54024b87ba9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa441506d284f5fdd93d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf86ababde54024b87ba9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"qac1651733fdcebdba175","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":189,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-28T15:08:34.604Z","text":"你觉得CCP有这么傻吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1651733fdcebdba175","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020"},{"id":"q46b61ffe72c0fd5da7d9","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":190,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-28T15:08:37.252Z","text":"对啊，为何不尝试呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46b61ffe72c0fd5d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