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一个子，只会从别人口袋里掏。这是常识。这个问题都不应该问","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfdb99001697bc186930","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08a75f8b4115e2a5829e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfdb99001697bc186930","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":608,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T16:06:45.522Z","text":"老郭对这个事好像并不紧张","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q7db9a8a1fabef6a887a1","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":609,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T16:06:50.647Z","text":"反而是王特别紧张","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7db9a8a1fabef6a887a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qea839b3064253d8fea0f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":610,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-07T16:07:16.605Z","text":"又不是老郭花了战友钱 他紧张什么。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea839b3064253d8fea0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":611,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-07T16:29:28.350Z","text":"谁的新号","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef1d0d032ecc462aeb88","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容未公开或已清洗排除","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa6e4d230309823ecb0aa","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":612,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-07T16:37:22.968Z","text":"对啊，味蕾编得这个谣言也太离谱了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q08a75f8b4115e2a5829e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6e4d230309823ecb0aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08a75f8b4115e2a5829e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qd9d817fed08dde3306ba","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":613,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-07T16:39:34.022Z","text":"大家都是自己人 别扣帽了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9d817fed08dde3306ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q720fdc654c095981d1ca","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":614,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T17:40:16.303Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/1953509980516020424?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q720fdc654c095981d1ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":615,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T17:43:56.589Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］ 青藤的布雷迪你准备什么时候发？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":616,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:25:01.825Z","text":"你往上翻看吧。瑞恩转发的王雁平代孕生子，这个推主 Greece 是新号。\n文贵太会钓鱼了。对于王，文贵应该知道她的来头。在这种情况下，我相信文贵就是自淫解决性需求，也不会跟她上床。😂 \n文贵也多次提到了买精子的事情，为了灭共，他什么都干得出来呀。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qdf4a4cdbd768bc7737ba","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":617,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:25:27.591Z","text":"王艳萍太丑了 哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf4a4cdbd768bc7737ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q462d5cba3f1ad6c7d2ed","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":618,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:25:53.736Z","text":"我觉得应该是王要了郭的精子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q462d5cba3f1ad6c7d2ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qe0471f5834c8f83dd677","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":619,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:29:20.757Z","text":"郭要找个女人上床还不是很容易的事吗？\n以前以为王是英雄，所以没有觉得她丑，实际上是对她的尊重掩盖了对她长得丑的反感。😀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0471f5834c8f83dd677","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qedd31b5eda6e1ceb1d77","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":620,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:31:38.880Z","text":"以前我对左媛、路德、暴牙庄、龚小夏等々都是这个态度，自到它们自爆。😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedd31b5eda6e1ceb1d77","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa840d5464a64a6eecd4f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":621,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:32:07.093Z","text":"看来王确实是因为代孕的事情认罪的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa840d5464a64a6eecd4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q549028f3f5f87075dfb8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":622,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:32:35.745Z","text":"难道是因为 这事情被戳穿 她中共特务的身份就暴露了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q549028f3f5f87075dfb8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q79f3c00d64603dea4d93","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":623,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:32:56.046Z","text":"为什么要因为这个事而认罪呢？不明白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79f3c00d64603dea4d93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":624,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:33:16.006Z","text":"检方要爆这个事情 然后王艳萍几天就认罪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q69788f6a042bd415a474","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":625,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:34:53.541Z","text":"原来她真的是特务！还不如认罪算了，以获得减刑。但是她也可以不认罪呀。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69788f6a042bd415a474","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q57aadda8cc7099ad2b5d","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":626,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:35:43.863Z","text":"我们可以做什么呢？说王可能是代孕？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aadda8cc7099ad2b5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q961b8e87a710326a302b","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":627,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:36:09.990Z","text":"这个事情和案件没关系 但我们可以分析为什么王认罪 我感觉里面有大秘密","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961b8e87a710326a302b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q515836a168ad7516a243","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":628,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:37:39.236Z","text":"当时好像听说过王的儿子在法庭上出现过。我当时听到这消息，说是胡扯。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q515836a168ad7516a243","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6189261be49a4bd855e6","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":629,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:38:16.679Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 假设检方爆出王和郭代孕的信息 你觉得郭会怎么做","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6189261be49a4bd855e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":630,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:09.731Z","text":"郭会说王是中共的特务。我想不出来。王不能承认是代孕，否则就彻底被中共抛弃","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qca808813d2ce03060392","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":631,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:25.182Z","text":"王真是两难呀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca808813d2ce03060392","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q65929776898c4a267e27","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":632,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:29.926Z","text":"对！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65929776898c4a267e27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qe1a81a5fd1c628ec68a5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":633,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:45.900Z","text":"郭会说王为了潜伏不惜搞精子生孩子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1a81a5fd1c628ec68a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q0d6dcca7f34e4c1a8aa9","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":634,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:56.495Z","text":"这一下 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chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ef1a4dbaee053532129","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb6b68ad709978da8bbc9","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":645,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:13:27.176Z","text":"还没写呢，咋了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6b68ad709978da8bbc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":646,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T22:13:51.710Z","text":"我这周六就要捅第四第五修正案了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qfd535e483b662e974265","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":647,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:15:13.912Z","text":"你这需不需要分开说，还是一口气发过去","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd535e483b662e974265","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q99d4396cf2fe31c4b97a","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":648,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:18:14.275Z","text":"这跟诈骗有啥关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99d4396cf2fe31c4b97a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q87de9e69ed036d05b673","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":649,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T22:20:15.183Z","text":"没关系 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她晒自己桌面哦 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03111755ace1fceaaee6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q51a5190e861c10f5d5a6","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":657,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-07T23:06:38.817Z","text":"看起来 比你  专业 😂在 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谁让你来发财的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4571f4cd4bef1d8993f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q005287042ed410f0e52e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":682,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-08T01:10:27.999Z","text":"她看上瑞恩了，要蓝金黄他 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11 章破产案受托人 Luc A. Despins 通过授权委托书（Power of Attorney, “POA”）在阿拉伯联合酋长国（“阿联酋”）代表郭文贵（Ho Wan Kwok）破产财产行事。\n\n要点如下：\n\n动议获准： 法院批准受托人使用随附授权委托书在阿联酋开展工作。\n\n权限范围：\n\n代表破产财产在阿联酋各级法院、政府机构、监管机构及其他官方或私人机构前行使权利。\n\n发起或应对诉讼、提交索赔、和解争议、委任专家、提交证据、上诉裁决、以及采取执行措施。\n\n调查并获取与郭文贵及被法院认定为其“替身实体”（alter egos）相关的资产、银行账户、物业及其他持有情况，包括向银行、监管部门、房地产管理机构、电信公司以及阿联酋各酋长国的自由区获取信息。\n\n向上述机构提交及跟进申请、会见相关官员、接收文件与资料。\n\n有权将上述权限全部或部分转委托他人。\n\n\n立即生效： 命令自 2025 年 8 月 7 日签署之日起立即生效，法院保留对该命令执行及解释的管辖权。\n\n\n简而言之，该裁定赋予受托人在阿联酋全面的法律与调查权限，以寻找、控制并管理与破产财产相关的资产及程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q521ec223342758863158","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6ec2fcbbc795ac0bab4f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":696,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T02:51:54.813Z","text":"啥意思 利好还是利空","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ec2fcbbc795ac0bab4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q4c22c901a1029b89412f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":697,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:53:49.136Z","text":"对我来说是利好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c22c901a1029b89412f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q952b8a3e26648137f29e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":698,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T02:54:17.937Z","text":"行  那我去贷款","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q952b8a3e26648137f29e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf21cef4d318166915433","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":699,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:54:42.122Z","text":"这是美国康涅狄格州联邦破产法院（布里奇波特分院）的一份动议全文翻译。该动议由第 11 章破产案受托人 Luc A. Despins，以及 Genever Holdings Corporation 与 Genever Holdings LLC 共同提出，请求法院批准统一（批量）债权异议的处理程序及相关通知格式，并修改《破产规则》第 3007(e)(6) 条和当地破产规则 3007-2 的部分规定。\n\n主要内容如下：\n\n1. 案件背景\n\n涉案债务人包括郭文贵（Ho Wan Kwok，又名 Guo Wengui、Miles Guo、Miles Kwok 等）、Genever Holdings Corporation（BVI）及 Genever Holdings LLC（美国）。\n\n郭文贵于 2022 年 2 月申请第 11 章破产，资产申报仅 3,850 美元，但负债达数亿美元。\n\n受托人于 2022 年 7 月被法院任命接管破产财产管理。\n\n截至目前，三名债务人案件已合并处理。\n\n\n\n2. 债权申报与问题\n\n法院设定了债权申报截止日（大部分在 2023 年 2 月 17 日）。\n\n共收到超过 1,600 份债权申报，总额约 320 亿美元，其中约 200 份没有任何支持文件，300 多名债权人重复申报。\n\n受托人指出，郭文贵曾通过社交媒体鼓动其支持者提交虚假或无依据的债权，意图干扰案件并增加受托人律师费，甚至声称“大家都去登记，让律师费涨到一万亿最好”。\n\n\n\n3. 申请批准的批量债权异议程序\n\n允许受托人及 Genever 两家公司在一份“批量异议”中同时对最多 250 个债权提出异议（原规则限制为 100 个）。\n\n批量异议可基于以下理由提出：\n\n1. 未充分说明债权依据或缺少支持文件\n\n\n2. 未说明债权金额\n\n\n3. 分类错误或应当从属\n\n\n4. 针对错误的债务人提出\n\n\n5. 已由非债务人全额清偿\n\n\n6. 债权人已正式撤回\n\n\n7. 依据破产法第 502 条应予否决\n\n\n\n批量异议需附债权清单，逐项说明债权号、金额、异议理由等，并向受影响的债权人单独发出“异议通知书”。\n\n对选择隐私保护的债权人，批量异议文件不公开姓名与联系方式，仅使用编号；但单独寄送的异议通知书会包含其姓名和联系方式。\n\n\n\n4. 债权人应对程序\n\n债权人如不同意异议，须在规定期限内提交书面答复（包含事实与法律依据、相关证据及联系方式）。\n\n未及时答复可能导致法院直接支持异议，否决或修改债权。\n\n当事人可先与受托人协商解决，无需正式答辩或出庭。\n\n\n\n5. 法律依据与理由\n\n申请依据破产法第 105(a) 和 502(a) 条，以及破产规则第 3007 条。\n\n法院有权批准额外的批量异议理由并调整程序，以在保护债权人正当程序权利的同时，提高大型破产案的效率。\n\n此举可减少单独异议的数量，节省时间与费用，尤其是应对大量无依据或重复的债权申报。\n\n\n\n6. 结论与请求\n\n受托人及 Genever 两家公司请求法院批准所附的“批量债权异议程序”和“异议通知书”格式，并将单次批量异议的债权数量上限提高到 250 个。\n\n同时保留对所有债权的其他异议权利。\n\n\n\n\n简而言之，这份动议是为了让受托人能够以更高效的方式集中处理大量虚假、重复或缺乏依据的债权申报，从而减少破产财产损耗，并防止债务人利用支持者恶意干扰债权审核过程。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf21cef4d318166915433","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc125dad8f55f762264c1","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":700,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:15.364Z","text":"👆 还是以前的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc125dad8f55f762264c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qbb0bbc95232e6b1d8e2f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":701,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:36.928Z","text":"luc这个[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb0bbc95232e6b1d8e2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q93193e472eb20322c2b5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":702,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:47.473Z","text":"债权人 他就不该取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93193e472eb20322c2b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6c1bc9bbe877ee9238da","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":703,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:53.080Z","text":"硬扛到底","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c1bc9bbe877ee9238da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q677251c74806bbfce497","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":704,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:55.557Z","text":"对他有利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677251c74806bbfce497","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q058811c545a609535aa1","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":705,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:00.896Z","text":"取消不就证明有鬼？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q058811c545a609535aa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q317a497d6b5dbf27b8b2","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":706,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:06.040Z","text":"取消了？认怂了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q317a497d6b5dbf27b8b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q50b9ed6eea13c769c870","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":707,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:27.345Z","text":"他是审查，不是取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50b9ed6eea13c769c870","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qd2e076fe343eaf552551","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:36.562Z","text":"他不可能取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2e076fe343eaf552551","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q12d0614fe054a9b74961","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":709,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:44.082Z","text":"很好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12d0614fe054a9b74961","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q2142fae300a4ffbda321","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":710,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:47.069Z","text":"太好了！！？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2142fae300a4ffbda321","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q020fb97034c83c6f44aa","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":711,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:58:39.886Z","text":"他就不该审查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q020fb97034c83c6f44aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qecf5eb62f703b56c8df4","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":712,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:58:52.722Z","text":"luc是找死啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecf5eb62f703b56c8df4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q8b1b747a71e6bf28d5f8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":713,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:02:01.454Z","text":"这么一操作，就自己坐实了之前有虚假登记，它想赖给被告，它好像笃定被告没有它和灭共演员共谋先虚假登记的证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b1b747a71e6bf28d5f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qdf0b3daeb0448403236e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":714,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:02:03.973Z","text":"luc已经走不出南区法院了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf0b3daeb0448403236e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb90e2404f7dd4f5bc3ca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都要追究","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbe6ace1ad9e6c922bd3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q572182ec4e96a483d956","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbe6ace1ad9e6c922bd3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q8e22e6809ab2a6e1acf4","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":722,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:33:39.700Z","text":"哦我觉得不会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e22e6809ab2a6e1acf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q7de5549726d9deeb0763","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":723,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:34:08.108Z","text":"罪魁祸首是luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7de5549726d9deeb0763","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":724,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:37:42.768Z","text":"本质上，那些钱都是进入农场联盟g系列实体，枉法的破产法庭令导致g系列资产成了被告个人财产，然后这些人就与被告产生债权，所以，核心就是枉法的破产法庭令。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7de5549726d9deeb0763","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7de5549726d9deeb0763","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q20091551b2425b92d645","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":725,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:39:11.931Z","text":"但这些人应该很清楚，你自己并没有把钱给被告，被告没有欠你钱，你就不应该去登记。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20091551b2425b92d645","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q30941abb8ef8d44262af","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":726,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:43:44.319Z","text":"这个得去机器人查一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20091551b2425b92d645","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30941abb8ef8d44262af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20091551b2425b92d645","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q2e92de37fd556781e5cc","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":727,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:43:56.391Z","text":"如果你觉得你g系列被骗 跑到破产法庭登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e92de37fd556781e5cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qe509ce4471d3a87e8a11","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":728,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:43:59.254Z","text":"这是合法的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe509ce4471d3a87e8a11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q36aea862fd1d0c21849a","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":729,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:44:04.425Z","text":"如果他妈这都非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36aea862fd1d0c21849a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc041ed52c5f9dd64da32","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":730,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:45:44.077Z","text":"那这案子就是尼玛扯大蛋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc041ed52c5f9dd64da32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf79ce577d0599b3b02b8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":731,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:48:19.692Z","text":"看来刑事法官是对的，你追随者去登记，就是虚假登记，ta可能也没有去深究是不是你luc先登记。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf79ce577d0599b3b02b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q7301d280f829f458db16","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":732,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-08T04:04:51.860Z","text":"这就是核心，破产案把郭文贵合法绑定在G系列上!去年九月我得出的老郭被定罪的最核心的原因。结果，留言多次，没有人搭理我啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7301d280f829f458db16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q0f80e0fbcc7ab5fbe021","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":733,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T04:05:56.965Z","text":"然后这也是抓捕的关键 这也就是为什么这招还可以打抓捕！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7301d280f829f458db16","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f80e0fbcc7ab5fbe021","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7301d280f829f458db16","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q218821c44e024ad105bd","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":734,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T04:07:13.183Z","text":"这就相当于灭共演员瓜分私吞了投资款，然后枉法破产法庭令就把这些罪行转嫁到了被告身上。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q218821c44e024ad105bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q286e80a53812b0c5a744","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":735,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T04:08:22.702Z","text":"我们都分析得出来，那些表演律师会不知道。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q286e80a53812b0c5a744","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q00e5a2ad55fa934343a5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":736,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:08:37.753Z","text":"其实如果你看一下庭审记录，他们根本没有说G系列犯了什么罪，所有证词基本上就是他们没拿到股票","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00e5a2ad55fa934343a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q79c3f09c5f20fb9f4235","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":737,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:08:59.467Z","text":"有没有人说他们亏钱了？好像也没有吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79c3f09c5f20fb9f4235","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc816d668b0a684a05049","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":738,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:10:56.532Z","text":"然后就是gclub的钱买房子买车","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc816d668b0a684a05049","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb1791649776dac0ad05a","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":739,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:11:32.004Z","text":"钱转给郭家人，开了很多账户，等等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1791649776dac0ad05a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q2ea5c55dedb8c77f0edd","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":740,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:12:09.716Z","text":"喜交所是信用积分，用机器人画图","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ea5c55dedb8c77f0edd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc867da04795a84d93263","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":741,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T04:12:18.493Z","text":"看样子1000％赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc867da04795a84d93263","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf1097105791422ca958d","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":742,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:14:20.073Z","text":"几乎没有检方证人说联盟农场骗他们钱了吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1097105791422ca958d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb331c0cc6ede859a5041","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:16:30.392Z","text":"他们根本没说他们钱被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb331c0cc6ede859a5041","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q46f2996a018fc055c31b","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":744,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:16:46.455Z","text":"他们就是说没有拿到股票，郭承诺他们股票","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46f2996a018fc055c31b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qab3223e7c0c756f1affe","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":745,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T04:17:03.814Z","text":"它们让同案犯当污点证人，当然不会说。它们的核心叙事就是被告通过联盟农场g系列进行诈骗洗钱，把投资者的钱变成了被告的个人资产。","edited":f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重要的东西都不在庭上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57917c66bb84f45ccb56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":796,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:04:35.601Z","text":"因为陪审团如果是没有被洗脑的正常人，他们也不会觉得郭说一句保底，就是诈骗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf2f6b5ae6f466e649a40","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":797,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:05:05.994Z","text":"说话是说话，又没签合同，陪审团的思维方式不可能和战友一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2f6b5ae6f466e649a40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":798,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-08T05:15:11.543Z","text":"战友会相信七哥保底。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q43e8c375dfd1db558006","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":799,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:15:43.136Z","text":"相信和法律是两回事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43e8c375dfd1db558006","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q0d624ffd745a5f3dbf2c","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":800,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:17:05.229Z","text":"但是在这个案子上，检方好像思维方式就和法盲差不多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d624ffd745a5f3dbf2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000024","next_batch_id":"batch-000026"}