{"id":"batch-000025","number":25,"revision":1,"date_start":"2025-08-05T17:24:04.383Z","date_end":"2025-08-09T02:53:47.276Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 025 (Aug 5, 2025 – Aug 9, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated the criminal conviction and bankruptcy proceedings, focusing on procedural justice, Brady rule applicability, and potential Fifth Amendment violations. While some members argued that political manipulation tainted the trial and hoped an appeal could overturn the verdict to unfreeze investments, others attributed losses to fraudulent projects and criticized alliance leadership for evading accountability. 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Luosi."},{"message_id":"q231fc334e2683408da10","summary_en":"pz0*** notes that the appellate filing fee is $605."}]},{"title":"Debating Motivations Behind Incarceration, Appeal Prospects, and Investment Recovery","description":"Participants ponder Guo's underlying intentions regarding his imprisonment.","message_ids":["q9f0e92eb246c42c5048b","qdf515447c9bad9f6f708","qd37e4b39df70697f7815"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9f0e92eb246c42c5048b","summary_en":"rui*** claims to understand what Guo intended to accomplish."},{"message_id":"qdf515447c9bad9f6f708","summary_en":"rui*** questions why Guo would choose to enter prison."},{"message_id":"qd37e4b39df70697f7815","summary_en":"xin*** prompts rui*** to explain further."}]},{"title":"Disputes Over Judicial Independence, Partisan Politics, and Case Trajectory","description":"Participants debate whether the case will be resolved through judicial proceedings or political 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Fifth Amendment."}]},{"title":"Deliberating Letter Contents to Prosecutors on Witness Tampering, Victim Verification, and Evidence","description":"Participants debate whether ongoing actions by alliance farms help or hurt the defense.","message_ids":["q14902e55e26baec7fb0d","q9423f74f19b21a94b051","qd88ea1d72d2ab6d34c34"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q14902e55e26baec7fb0d","summary_en":"ntp*** questions whether alleged ongoing fraud by alliance farms would benefit the defense or harm it as co-conspirators."},{"message_id":"q9423f74f19b21a94b051","summary_en":"hon*** argues that such evidence helps by shifting status from co-conspirator to principal perpetrator."},{"message_id":"qd88ea1d72d2ab6d34c34","summary_en":"ntp*** asks how being characterized as a principal perpetrator could be advantageous."}]},{"title":"Heated Debates Over Entrapment Theories, Alliance Liability, and Suing Key Figures","description":"Participants clash over trust in alliance leaders and taking legal action over 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Luc."},{"message_id":"q5a5c813d5a9af2efb774","summary_en":"rui*** requests an explanation of the trustee's filing."}]},{"title":"Examining Links Between Bankruptcy Orders, Conspiracy Rulings, and Criminal Fraud Charges","description":"Participants analyze how bankruptcy proceedings tied Guo directly to G-series entities.","message_ids":["q7301d280f829f458db16","q0f80e0fbcc7ab5fbe021"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7301d280f829f458db16","summary_en":"chu*** argues that bankruptcy court decisions legally binding Guo to the G-series were the primary driver of his criminal conviction."},{"message_id":"q0f80e0fbcc7ab5fbe021","summary_en":"rui*** contends that this legal linkage was also the key pretext used to justify his arrest."}]},{"title":"Debating Allegations Concerning Verbal Guarantees Against Investment Losses and Criminal Liability","description":"Participants evaluate whether oral promises to cover investment losses constituted criminal 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不会为别人付 一个子，只会从别人口袋里掏。这是常识。这个问题都不应该问","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfdb99001697bc186930","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08a75f8b4115e2a5829e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfdb99001697bc186930","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":608,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T16:06:45.522Z","text":"老郭对这个事好像并不紧张","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q7db9a8a1fabef6a887a1","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":609,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T16:06:50.647Z","text":"反而是王特别紧张","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7db9a8a1fabef6a887a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qea839b3064253d8fea0f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":610,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-07T16:07:16.605Z","text":"又不是老郭花了战友钱 他紧张什么。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea839b3064253d8fea0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfc5ab4625eb5409d5b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":611,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-07T16:29:28.350Z","text":"谁的新号","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef1d0d032ecc462aeb88","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa6e4d230309823ecb0aa","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":612,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-07T16:37:22.968Z","text":"对啊，味蕾编得这个谣言也太离谱了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q08a75f8b4115e2a5829e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6e4d230309823ecb0aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08a75f8b4115e2a5829e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qd9d817fed08dde3306ba","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":613,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-07T16:39:34.022Z","text":"大家都是自己人 别扣帽了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9d817fed08dde3306ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q720fdc654c095981d1ca","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":614,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T17:40:16.303Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/1953509980516020424?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q720fdc654c095981d1ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":615,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T17:43:56.589Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］ 青藤的布雷迪你准备什么时候发？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":616,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:25:01.825Z","text":"你往上翻看吧。瑞恩转发的王雁平代孕生子，这个推主 Greece 是新号。\n文贵太会钓鱼了。对于王，文贵应该知道她的来头。在这种情况下，我相信文贵就是自淫解决性需求，也不会跟她上床。😂 \n文贵也多次提到了买精子的事情，为了灭共，他什么都干得出来呀。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95f326b420b4ce5b995e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qdf4a4cdbd768bc7737ba","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":617,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:25:27.591Z","text":"王艳萍太丑了 哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf4a4cdbd768bc7737ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b566174a2f20f9b9b41","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q462d5cba3f1ad6c7d2ed","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":618,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:25:53.736Z","text":"我觉得应该是王要了郭的精子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q462d5cba3f1ad6c7d2ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qe0471f5834c8f83dd677","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":619,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:29:20.757Z","text":"郭要找个女人上床还不是很容易的事吗？\n以前以为王是英雄，所以没有觉得她丑，实际上是对她的尊重掩盖了对她长得丑的反感。😀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0471f5834c8f83dd677","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qedd31b5eda6e1ceb1d77","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":620,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:31:38.880Z","text":"以前我对左媛、路德、暴牙庄、龚小夏等々都是这个态度，自到它们自爆。😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedd31b5eda6e1ceb1d77","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa840d5464a64a6eecd4f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":621,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:32:07.093Z","text":"看来王确实是因为代孕的事情认罪的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa840d5464a64a6eecd4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q549028f3f5f87075dfb8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":622,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:32:35.745Z","text":"难道是因为 这事情被戳穿 她中共特务的身份就暴露了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q549028f3f5f87075dfb8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q79f3c00d64603dea4d93","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":623,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:32:56.046Z","text":"为什么要因为这个事而认罪呢？不明白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79f3c00d64603dea4d93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":624,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:33:16.006Z","text":"检方要爆这个事情 然后王艳萍几天就认罪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q69788f6a042bd415a474","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":625,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:34:53.541Z","text":"原来她真的是特务！还不如认罪算了，以获得减刑。但是她也可以不认罪呀。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69788f6a042bd415a474","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q57aadda8cc7099ad2b5d","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":626,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:35:43.863Z","text":"我们可以做什么呢？说王可能是代孕？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aadda8cc7099ad2b5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q961b8e87a710326a302b","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":627,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:36:09.990Z","text":"这个事情和案件没关系 但我们可以分析为什么王认罪 我感觉里面有大秘密","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961b8e87a710326a302b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q515836a168ad7516a243","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":628,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:37:39.236Z","text":"当时好像听说过王的儿子在法庭上出现过。我当时听到这消息，说是胡扯。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q515836a168ad7516a243","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6189261be49a4bd855e6","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":629,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:38:16.679Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 假设检方爆出王和郭代孕的信息 你觉得郭会怎么做","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6189261be49a4bd855e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":630,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:09.731Z","text":"郭会说王是中共的特务。我想不出来。王不能承认是代孕，否则就彻底被中共抛弃","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qca808813d2ce03060392","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":631,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:25.182Z","text":"王真是两难呀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca808813d2ce03060392","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q65929776898c4a267e27","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":632,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:29.926Z","text":"对！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65929776898c4a267e27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbee0cb9915c695e513e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qe1a81a5fd1c628ec68a5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":633,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:45.900Z","text":"郭会说王为了潜伏不惜搞精子生孩子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1a81a5fd1c628ec68a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q0d6dcca7f34e4c1a8aa9","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":634,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:40:56.495Z","text":"这一下 法官好不容易说好不谈政治","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6dcca7f34e4c1a8aa9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qcd35311f644f319db9ea","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":635,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:41:15.188Z","text":"这一下郭相当于污点证人了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd35311f644f319db9ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf7d778a01c99340589d4","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":636,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:41:33.660Z","text":"这就是为什么检方不敢谈！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7d778a01c99340589d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q002263daa89972876aa5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":637,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:42:03.293Z","text":"这和螺丝哥为什么在国内安全是一个道理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q002263daa89972876aa5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q0cdfa76dd9c8d2a4cac0","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":638,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:42:23.048Z","text":"检方有好多几个地方都差点破功 但都忍住了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cdfa76dd9c8d2a4cac0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb75a6a7cd2d8b3a554bb","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":639,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:42:41.017Z","text":"王如果承认是代孕生子，那她才是真正的英雄呢！可惜她没有那个勇气。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb75a6a7cd2d8b3a554bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q9a0c44e64f4a47174fa6","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":640,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:43:17.110Z","text":"检方举这个例子 是为了证明郭王是同谋 他们的关系有多近","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb75a6a7cd2d8b3a554bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a0c44e64f4a47174fa6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb75a6a7cd2d8b3a554bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q40bc218c1bc18ffafea2","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":641,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:43:27.818Z","text":"但郭肯定会说王是间谍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40bc218c1bc18ffafea2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q3a1ff1762961e8006da3","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":642,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T18:43:38.063Z","text":"这样反而让检方破功了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a1ff1762961e8006da3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q75b7cc008ec7f404af52","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":643,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-07T18:46:10.189Z","text":"你应该去探访一下王😀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75b7cc008ec7f404af52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q9ef1a4dbaee053532129","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":644,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:11:53.787Z","text":"说共谋犯在mdc 外继续诈骗是哪个文件 ［用户 chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ef1a4dbaee053532129","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb6b68ad709978da8bbc9","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":645,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:13:27.176Z","text":"还没写呢，咋了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6b68ad709978da8bbc9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40823bd0d06a59e31ec3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":646,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T22:13:51.710Z","text":"我这周六就要捅第四第五修正案了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qfd535e483b662e974265","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":647,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:15:13.912Z","text":"你这需不需要分开说，还是一口气发过去","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd535e483b662e974265","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79604d3e9cb80c67905","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q99d4396cf2fe31c4b97a","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":648,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:18:14.275Z","text":"这跟诈骗有啥关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99d4396cf2fe31c4b97a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722c0c85c6a10af4c51e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q87de9e69ed036d05b673","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":649,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T22:20:15.183Z","text":"没关系 但里面有其他秘密","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99d4396cf2fe31c4b97a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87de9e69ed036d05b673","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99d4396cf2fe31c4b97a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q7dc25f571fe0b1c42058","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":650,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T22:20:25.482Z","text":"一口气就行","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd535e483b662e974265","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dc25f571fe0b1c42058","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd535e483b662e974265","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q9c526803b372c4f9bb4c","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":651,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-07T22:39:01.954Z","text":"文件476\n\n说的是时至今日，仍有个人，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c526803b372c4f9bb4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q09c1ed4eb57205746eb5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":652,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-07T22:40:40.142Z","text":"这个[屏蔽词]真讽刺 现在发现你妈是检方的人","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9c526803b372c4f9bb4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09c1ed4eb57205746eb5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c526803b372c4f9bb4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb4107cd8b71ffa33c591","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":653,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:42:04.196Z","text":"24年11月，那会已经是青藤了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4107cd8b71ffa33c591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qaae1fcfb4d7ce711c692","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":654,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-07T22:44:04.833Z","text":"是不是还有别的文件提到过","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c526803b372c4f9bb4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaae1fcfb4d7ce711c692","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c526803b372c4f9bb4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q2281b1dd7aacdca8db86","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":655,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-07T23:04:28.642Z","text":"https://x.com/charlesz_1998/status/1953542764660240620?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2281b1dd7aacdca8db86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q03111755ace1fceaaee6","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":656,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-07T23:05:46.452Z","text":"瑞恩 她晒自己桌面哦 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03111755ace1fceaaee6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q51a5190e861c10f5d5a6","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":657,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-07T23:06:38.817Z","text":"看起来 比你  专业 😂在 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谁让你来发财的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4571f4cd4bef1d8993f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q005287042ed410f0e52e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":682,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-08-08T01:10:27.999Z","text":"她看上瑞恩了，要蓝金黄他 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11 章破产案受托人 Luc A. Despins 通过授权委托书（Power of Attorney, “POA”）在阿拉伯联合酋长国（“阿联酋”）代表郭文贵（Ho Wan Kwok）破产财产行事。\n\n要点如下：\n\n动议获准： 法院批准受托人使用随附授权委托书在阿联酋开展工作。\n\n权限范围：\n\n代表破产财产在阿联酋各级法院、政府机构、监管机构及其他官方或私人机构前行使权利。\n\n发起或应对诉讼、提交索赔、和解争议、委任专家、提交证据、上诉裁决、以及采取执行措施。\n\n调查并获取与郭文贵及被法院认定为其“替身实体”（alter egos）相关的资产、银行账户、物业及其他持有情况，包括向银行、监管部门、房地产管理机构、电信公司以及阿联酋各酋长国的自由区获取信息。\n\n向上述机构提交及跟进申请、会见相关官员、接收文件与资料。\n\n有权将上述权限全部或部分转委托他人。\n\n\n立即生效： 命令自 2025 年 8 月 7 日签署之日起立即生效，法院保留对该命令执行及解释的管辖权。\n\n\n简而言之，该裁定赋予受托人在阿联酋全面的法律与调查权限，以寻找、控制并管理与破产财产相关的资产及程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q521ec223342758863158","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6ec2fcbbc795ac0bab4f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":696,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T02:51:54.813Z","text":"啥意思 利好还是利空","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ec2fcbbc795ac0bab4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q4c22c901a1029b89412f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":697,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:53:49.136Z","text":"对我来说是利好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c22c901a1029b89412f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q952b8a3e26648137f29e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":698,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T02:54:17.937Z","text":"行  那我去贷款","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q952b8a3e26648137f29e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf21cef4d318166915433","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":699,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:54:42.122Z","text":"这是美国康涅狄格州联邦破产法院（布里奇波特分院）的一份动议全文翻译。该动议由第 11 章破产案受托人 Luc A. Despins，以及 Genever Holdings Corporation 与 Genever Holdings LLC 共同提出，请求法院批准统一（批量）债权异议的处理程序及相关通知格式，并修改《破产规则》第 3007(e)(6) 条和当地破产规则 3007-2 的部分规定。\n\n主要内容如下：\n\n1. 案件背景\n\n涉案债务人包括郭文贵（Ho Wan Kwok，又名 Guo Wengui、Miles Guo、Miles Kwok 等）、Genever Holdings Corporation（BVI）及 Genever Holdings LLC（美国）。\n\n郭文贵于 2022 年 2 月申请第 11 章破产，资产申报仅 3,850 美元，但负债达数亿美元。\n\n受托人于 2022 年 7 月被法院任命接管破产财产管理。\n\n截至目前，三名债务人案件已合并处理。\n\n\n\n2. 债权申报与问题\n\n法院设定了债权申报截止日（大部分在 2023 年 2 月 17 日）。\n\n共收到超过 1,600 份债权申报，总额约 320 亿美元，其中约 200 份没有任何支持文件，300 多名债权人重复申报。\n\n受托人指出，郭文贵曾通过社交媒体鼓动其支持者提交虚假或无依据的债权，意图干扰案件并增加受托人律师费，甚至声称“大家都去登记，让律师费涨到一万亿最好”。\n\n\n\n3. 申请批准的批量债权异议程序\n\n允许受托人及 Genever 两家公司在一份“批量异议”中同时对最多 250 个债权提出异议（原规则限制为 100 个）。\n\n批量异议可基于以下理由提出：\n\n1. 未充分说明债权依据或缺少支持文件\n\n\n2. 未说明债权金额\n\n\n3. 分类错误或应当从属\n\n\n4. 针对错误的债务人提出\n\n\n5. 已由非债务人全额清偿\n\n\n6. 债权人已正式撤回\n\n\n7. 依据破产法第 502 条应予否决\n\n\n\n批量异议需附债权清单，逐项说明债权号、金额、异议理由等，并向受影响的债权人单独发出“异议通知书”。\n\n对选择隐私保护的债权人，批量异议文件不公开姓名与联系方式，仅使用编号；但单独寄送的异议通知书会包含其姓名和联系方式。\n\n\n\n4. 债权人应对程序\n\n债权人如不同意异议，须在规定期限内提交书面答复（包含事实与法律依据、相关证据及联系方式）。\n\n未及时答复可能导致法院直接支持异议，否决或修改债权。\n\n当事人可先与受托人协商解决，无需正式答辩或出庭。\n\n\n\n5. 法律依据与理由\n\n申请依据破产法第 105(a) 和 502(a) 条，以及破产规则第 3007 条。\n\n法院有权批准额外的批量异议理由并调整程序，以在保护债权人正当程序权利的同时，提高大型破产案的效率。\n\n此举可减少单独异议的数量，节省时间与费用，尤其是应对大量无依据或重复的债权申报。\n\n\n\n6. 结论与请求\n\n受托人及 Genever 两家公司请求法院批准所附的“批量债权异议程序”和“异议通知书”格式，并将单次批量异议的债权数量上限提高到 250 个。\n\n同时保留对所有债权的其他异议权利。\n\n\n\n\n简而言之，这份动议是为了让受托人能够以更高效的方式集中处理大量虚假、重复或缺乏依据的债权申报，从而减少破产财产损耗，并防止债务人利用支持者恶意干扰债权审核过程。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf21cef4d318166915433","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc125dad8f55f762264c1","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":700,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:15.364Z","text":"👆 还是以前的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc125dad8f55f762264c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qbb0bbc95232e6b1d8e2f","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":701,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:36.928Z","text":"luc这个[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb0bbc95232e6b1d8e2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q93193e472eb20322c2b5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":702,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:47.473Z","text":"债权人 他就不该取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93193e472eb20322c2b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q6c1bc9bbe877ee9238da","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":703,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:53.080Z","text":"硬扛到底","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c1bc9bbe877ee9238da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q677251c74806bbfce497","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":704,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:55:55.557Z","text":"对他有利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677251c74806bbfce497","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q058811c545a609535aa1","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":705,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:00.896Z","text":"取消不就证明有鬼？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q058811c545a609535aa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q317a497d6b5dbf27b8b2","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":706,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:06.040Z","text":"取消了？认怂了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q317a497d6b5dbf27b8b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q50b9ed6eea13c769c870","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":707,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:27.345Z","text":"他是审查，不是取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50b9ed6eea13c769c870","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qd2e076fe343eaf552551","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:36.562Z","text":"他不可能取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2e076fe343eaf552551","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q12d0614fe054a9b74961","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":709,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:44.082Z","text":"很好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12d0614fe054a9b74961","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q2142fae300a4ffbda321","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":710,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:56:47.069Z","text":"太好了！！？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2142fae300a4ffbda321","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q020fb97034c83c6f44aa","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":711,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:58:39.886Z","text":"他就不该审查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q020fb97034c83c6f44aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qecf5eb62f703b56c8df4","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":712,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T02:58:52.722Z","text":"luc是找死啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecf5eb62f703b56c8df4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q8b1b747a71e6bf28d5f8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":713,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:02:01.454Z","text":"这么一操作，就自己坐实了之前有虚假登记，它想赖给被告，它好像笃定被告没有它和灭共演员共谋先虚假登记的证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b1b747a71e6bf28d5f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qdf0b3daeb0448403236e","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":714,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:02:03.973Z","text":"luc已经走不出南区法院了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf0b3daeb0448403236e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb90e2404f7dd4f5bc3ca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都要追究","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcbe6ace1ad9e6c922bd3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q572182ec4e96a483d956","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbe6ace1ad9e6c922bd3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q8e22e6809ab2a6e1acf4","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":722,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:33:39.700Z","text":"哦我觉得不会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e22e6809ab2a6e1acf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q7de5549726d9deeb0763","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":723,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:34:08.108Z","text":"罪魁祸首是luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7de5549726d9deeb0763","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":724,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:37:42.768Z","text":"本质上，那些钱都是进入农场联盟g系列实体，枉法的破产法庭令导致g系列资产成了被告个人财产，然后这些人就与被告产生债权，所以，核心就是枉法的破产法庭令。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7de5549726d9deeb0763","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7de5549726d9deeb0763","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q20091551b2425b92d645","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":725,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:39:11.931Z","text":"但这些人应该很清楚，你自己并没有把钱给被告，被告没有欠你钱，你就不应该去登记。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20091551b2425b92d645","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q30941abb8ef8d44262af","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":726,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:43:44.319Z","text":"这个得去机器人查一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20091551b2425b92d645","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30941abb8ef8d44262af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20091551b2425b92d645","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q2e92de37fd556781e5cc","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":727,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:43:56.391Z","text":"如果你觉得你g系列被骗 跑到破产法庭登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e92de37fd556781e5cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qe509ce4471d3a87e8a11","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":728,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:43:59.254Z","text":"这是合法的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe509ce4471d3a87e8a11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q36aea862fd1d0c21849a","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":729,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:44:04.425Z","text":"如果他妈这都非法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36aea862fd1d0c21849a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc041ed52c5f9dd64da32","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":730,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T03:45:44.077Z","text":"那这案子就是尼玛扯大蛋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc041ed52c5f9dd64da32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf79ce577d0599b3b02b8","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":731,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T03:48:19.692Z","text":"看来刑事法官是对的，你追随者去登记，就是虚假登记，ta可能也没有去深究是不是你luc先登记。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf79ce577d0599b3b02b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q7301d280f829f458db16","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":732,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-08T04:04:51.860Z","text":"这就是核心，破产案把郭文贵合法绑定在G系列上!去年九月我得出的老郭被定罪的最核心的原因。结果，留言多次，没有人搭理我啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7301d280f829f458db16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3880dbaa1b226d4746","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q0f80e0fbcc7ab5fbe021","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":733,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-08T04:05:56.965Z","text":"然后这也是抓捕的关键 这也就是为什么这招还可以打抓捕！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7301d280f829f458db16","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f80e0fbcc7ab5fbe021","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7301d280f829f458db16","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q218821c44e024ad105bd","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":734,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T04:07:13.183Z","text":"这就相当于灭共演员瓜分私吞了投资款，然后枉法破产法庭令就把这些罪行转嫁到了被告身上。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q218821c44e024ad105bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q286e80a53812b0c5a744","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":735,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T04:08:22.702Z","text":"我们都分析得出来，那些表演律师会不知道。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q286e80a53812b0c5a744","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q00e5a2ad55fa934343a5","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":736,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:08:37.753Z","text":"其实如果你看一下庭审记录，他们根本没有说G系列犯了什么罪，所有证词基本上就是他们没拿到股票","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00e5a2ad55fa934343a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q79c3f09c5f20fb9f4235","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":737,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:08:59.467Z","text":"有没有人说他们亏钱了？好像也没有吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79c3f09c5f20fb9f4235","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc816d668b0a684a05049","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":738,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:10:56.532Z","text":"然后就是gclub的钱买房子买车","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc816d668b0a684a05049","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb1791649776dac0ad05a","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":739,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:11:32.004Z","text":"钱转给郭家人，开了很多账户，等等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1791649776dac0ad05a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q2ea5c55dedb8c77f0edd","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":740,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:12:09.716Z","text":"喜交所是信用积分，用机器人画图","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ea5c55dedb8c77f0edd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qc867da04795a84d93263","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":741,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-08T04:12:18.493Z","text":"看样子1000％赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc867da04795a84d93263","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf1097105791422ca958d","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":742,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:14:20.073Z","text":"几乎没有检方证人说联盟农场骗他们钱了吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1097105791422ca958d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qb331c0cc6ede859a5041","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:16:30.392Z","text":"他们根本没说他们钱被骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb331c0cc6ede859a5041","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q46f2996a018fc055c31b","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":744,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T04:16:46.455Z","text":"他们就是说没有拿到股票，郭承诺他们股票","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46f2996a018fc055c31b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qab3223e7c0c756f1affe","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":745,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-08T04:17:03.814Z","text":"它们让同案犯当污点证人，当然不会说。它们的核心叙事就是被告通过联盟农场g系列进行诈骗洗钱，把投资者的钱变成了被告的个人资产。","edited":f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重要的东西都不在庭上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57917c66bb84f45ccb56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":796,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:04:35.601Z","text":"因为陪审团如果是没有被洗脑的正常人，他们也不会觉得郭说一句保底，就是诈骗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"qf2f6b5ae6f466e649a40","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":797,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:05:05.994Z","text":"说话是说话，又没签合同，陪审团的思维方式不可能和战友一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2f6b5ae6f466e649a40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":798,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-08T05:15:11.543Z","text":"战友会相信七哥保底。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa25a94848eec510dbfa3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q43e8c375dfd1db558006","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":799,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:15:43.136Z","text":"相信和法律是两回事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43e8c375dfd1db558006","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07e7cbce53e5fd671be2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"},{"id":"q0d624ffd745a5f3dbf2c","batch_id":"batch-000025","seq":800,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-08T05:17:05.229Z","text":"但是在这个案子上，检方好像思维方式就和法盲差不多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d624ffd745a5f3dbf2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000025"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000024","next_batch_id":"batch-000026"}