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him***］ ［用户 him***］  只能靠你了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdc37da25f54bae94ee9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qfe0de9a1868341ede5ca","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":422,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-28T22:28:41.397Z","text":"你们任何人，都可以打电话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe0de9a1868341ede5ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q0be729c21da3ba580d90","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":423,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-28T22:34:53.657Z","text":"我觉得是书记员学聪明了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0be729c21da3ba580d90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc85d4b6bb6b7aa9fe8b5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":424,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-28T23:10:20.212Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/1961204613102948786?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc85d4b6bb6b7aa9fe8b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":425,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-29T00:22:44.587Z","text":"［用户 rui***］ 问律师的邮件我发了，抄送了所有检察官","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q729a0f255fdcf02e4755","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":426,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T00:34:38.535Z","text":"可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q729a0f255fdcf02e4755","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q84d5ae8248680a8cd1c8","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":427,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T00:34:46.145Z","text":"律师不回 我就干","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84d5ae8248680a8cd1c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q787396a8b13ce98c8e61","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":428,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T01:15:27.325Z","text":"牢底坐穿了 完蛋了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q787396a8b13ce98c8e61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q15edc383a01e1fccf8cf","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":429,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T01:18:44.283Z","text":"我都烦死咯 他要出不来 我人生给他毁了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q061ba9be081131462065","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15edc383a01e1fccf8cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q6453575b210530d194bc","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":430,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T01:22:16.236Z","text":"那你就跟大家一起努力把他弄出来呗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15edc383a01e1fccf8cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6453575b210530d194bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15edc383a01e1fccf8cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qa4fed0537ca78255e220","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":431,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T01:27:47.474Z","text":"我这套操作 老郭就算不出来也要重审","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4fed0537ca78255e220","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q9654b6196b52a6fcb539","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":432,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T01:32:06.059Z","text":"也可能就是中共的某个代理人贿赂了一下书记员。这也非常吻合中共的处事方式。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9654b6196b52a6fcb539","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q86943cb2a9ea4afd366d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":433,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T01:35:15.564Z","text":"我也觉得能不能上传和书记员关系很大吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86943cb2a9ea4afd366d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qbf6355c6b3741ddb0853","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":434,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T01:37:19.603Z","text":"一般来说，法官是不能过问的, 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就不好玩了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbd3868725c90488f3cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc00c6afbdea0afdad261","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":438,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T01:48:53.785Z","text":"他都阳痿了，你还指望他？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6453575b210530d194bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc00c6afbdea0afdad261","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6453575b210530d194bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q8ca45c40429e9dd65080","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":439,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T01:49:36.676Z","text":"联盟隔几天给你一次高潮 哪受得了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ca45c40429e9dd65080","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q39c5041ce482342ed35c","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":440,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T02:06:23.941Z","text":"3. 这算不算违法 / 违反正当程序？\n\n从 法律原则上看，如果书记官因为内容而阻止第三方 §853(n) petition 入卷，那确实触及 due process（正当程序）。\n\n判例支持你的说法：比如 U.S. v. Fafalios (919 F. Supp. 276, 278 (S.D. Ohio 1996))，法院明确指出第三方必须有实质机会提出主张，否则就是违宪。\n\n但在现实操作上，书记官办公室属于“行政端”，很少直接留下“拒绝 docket 因为内容”的书面痕迹。\n\n\n\n---\n\n4. 如果你怀疑被人为阻挠，该怎么做？\n\n1. 保留证据\n\n保存你发的邮件、自动回复、文件版本，以及 CourtListener/PACER 的 docket 截图。\n\n这样能证明你按时提交，但没被 docket。\n\n\n\n2. 直接联系 Pro Se Intake\n\n打电话或写信，要求确认“为何未 docket”，并请求书面解释。\n\n通常他们只会说“格式问题”或“不合要求”，不会承认是内容。\n\n\n\n3. 向更高层投诉\n\n你可以写信给 Clerk of Court（书记官长），甚至 Chief Judge of SDNY，说明你作为第三方在 §853(n) 程序里被拒绝 docket，认为违反 Rule 49 和 §853(n) 的正当程序。\n\n投诉也可以递交给 司法会议 (Judicial Conference) 的行政办公室 (AOUSC)。\n\n\n\n4. 策略性动议\n\n你可以尝试写一封 “Motion to Direct the Clerk to File Third-Party Petition”，直接提交给主审法官（通过 clerk’s office）。\n\n这样等于逼法官来决定，而不是让书记官“卡死在入口”。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39c5041ce482342ed35c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q4373a6780e73558ea536","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":441,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T02:08:28.710Z","text":"书记员直接说是法官不让上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4373a6780e73558ea536","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q93f41d42460ef8588d35","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":442,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T02:08:50.264Z","text":"问他是什么原因，他说没有原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93f41d42460ef8588d35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q2fee3155477c5400bd95","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":443,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T02:09:29.678Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你问了？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fee3155477c5400bd95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd7deed9c624e1f157f4f","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":444,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T02:09:45.022Z","text":"以前问的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2fee3155477c5400bd95","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7deed9c624e1f157f4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fee3155477c5400bd95","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q7f2d3ef294f8d09ba8f6","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":445,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T02:10:52.599Z","text":"这次你们都可以打电话问，第三方没收程序介入到底开始了没有，第三方现在能不能pro 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螺丝哥507动议中英文原版","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q323bc3512081b45acd95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q987817948d26b66b2586","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":470,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T02:46:43.859Z","text":"螺丝哥第一个上传到法庭的动议（505是介入申请）就是507， 你们可以读一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q987817948d26b66b2586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qef3e613a00a3a9034daa","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":471,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-08-29T02:53:34.452Z","text":"法庭528：另一位自称“Chunk Chyi”的非当事人的在过去两周几乎每天都向案卷中提交信件，见 ECF 编号 505、507、508、510、513、517、519、522、524。除ECF编号505可宽泛地解释为是无律师代理的人（pro se）根据§ 853(n)提交的申请（petition）以外，其余Chunk Chyi的提交均属不当。Chunk Chyi 多次否认自己是受害者，例如见 ECF 编号513、517，而其众多提交内容涉及超出本刑事诉讼范围的私人事务，例如见 ECF 编号 508、519、524。此外，Chunk Chyi 的某些提交内容可能被解释为对政府及被告犯罪受害者的威胁或骚扰，例如见 ECF 编号 517、522。因此，ECF 编号 508、510、519、522 和 524 中的非当事人动议被驳回。Chunk Chyi 或其任何别名或代表若违反本命令或适用法院规则继续提交文件，可能被视为无理取闹、恶意或骚扰行为，并可能面临永久禁止提交的裁定。\n\n法庭596：根据2025年4月3日的法院命令（ECF编号528），法院说明了非当事人在刑事案件中提交信件、动议或其他文件的有限情形。法院讨论了自称为Chunk Chyi和Bei Bei Zhu的个人所提交的具体文件。法院解释了这些人的提交为何不当，并指出其中一些文件可能被视为具有威胁性、骚扰性，或至少是恶意的。法院警告称，进一步的不当提交可能会导致提交人受到永久禁止提交文件的裁定。\n在法院命令入卷后的24小时内，Chunk Chyi和Bei Bei Zhu又提交了六份不当文件（见ECF编号553–557, 582）。因此，法院认定Chunk Chyi和Bei Bei Zhu是恶意的非当事人，滥用了公众对法院的访问权，明显违反了法院命令。法院命令，今后Chunk Chyi或Bei Bei Zhu，或其任何别名或代表所提交的任何文件，必须经过法院审查，只有在法院认定该提交符合适用的法院规则、出于善意并具有合法依据时，方可入卷。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef3e613a00a3a9034daa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q57aac93f30b1516a3034","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":472,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T02:58:04.455Z","text":"但本群其它的人呢？为什么被审查，这几天应该不止群主一个人发了自诉邮件，难道所有人都因为格式问题被拒绝上传？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aac93f30b1516a3034","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qffed6da101a01e413537","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":473,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:01:16.920Z","text":"也许这几天就是只有群主一个人发了呢。就算不只是群主一个人发了，按照螺丝哥507动议里写的，如果法官看你动议不顺眼，她可以不让上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57aac93f30b1516a3034","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffed6da101a01e413537","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aac93f30b1516a3034","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q668de7026eea5164d9b6","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":474,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:02:05.654Z","text":"当然法官到底有没有不让上传的权利，就不知道了，你可以查查机器人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q668de7026eea5164d9b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q44ab5c29331b273f4734","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":475,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T03:03:26.249Z","text":"正常程序是要让有财产纠纷的人说话，你可以驳回，但不能不让说。真是这样，那是法官在违反正当程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffed6da101a01e413537","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44ab5c29331b273f4734","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffed6da101a01e413537","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd4ed75005f3240cf429d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":476,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:06:05.714Z","text":"🤷‍♂️","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44ab5c29331b273f4734","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4ed75005f3240cf429d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44ab5c29331b273f4734","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q5ef024de052a30271c94","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":477,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T03:07:03.191Z","text":"这法庭也用恶意一词，我印象中，这是中共官员最爱用的词。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ef024de052a30271c94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qa0f41598fea7dbed961e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":478,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:08:32.220Z","text":"在505之前，螺丝哥发了三个动议，法官都不让上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0f41598fea7dbed961e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qbe0a980c373b48bf4784","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":479,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:08:54.744Z","text":"后来不知道怎么让上传了，就有了505和507","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe0a980c373b48bf4784","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb8c329cf3cf26af977e8","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":480,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:09:29.626Z","text":"然后到524，螺丝哥打了luc，法官就警告他了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8c329cf3cf26af977e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q1f51b4694fa9084c43cf","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":481,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:09:46.162Z","text":"事情就是这样地😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f51b4694fa9084c43cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd739557d8597c72b191d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":482,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T03:11:03.089Z","text":"3. 这算不算违法 / 违反正当程序？\n\n从 法律原则上看，如果书记官因为内容而阻止第三方 §853(n) petition 入卷，那确实触及 due process（正当程序）。\n\n判例支持你的说法：比如 U.S. v. Fafalios (919 F. Supp. 276, 278 (S.D. Ohio 1996))，法院明确指出第三方必须有实质机会提出主张，否则就是违宪。\n\n但在现实操作上，书记官办公室属于“行政端”，很少直接留下“拒绝 docket 因为内容”的书面痕迹。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q668de7026eea5164d9b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd739557d8597c72b191d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q668de7026eea5164d9b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q22b25617dcddfce93263","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":483,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:11:40.286Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1952554815898136631","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22b25617dcddfce93263","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qa75d8205837e091bed87","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":484,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:15:09.411Z","text":"👆 这是我之前用机器人查的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa75d8205837e091bed87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q8e06929a607924c3cc10","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":485,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-08-29T03:18:14.502Z","text":"根据2025年4月1日的来函，一名非当事人，名为朱贝贝（Bei Bei Zhu），提交了一份“以自行辩护身份申请介入的动议”（Motion to Intervene Pro Se）。ECF编号526（大小写略有调整）。该非当事人申请介入的理由是“获取相关证据和法院文件”。见第2页。然而，在刑事案件中，获取证据或法院文件并不是有效的介入依据，因为除依法密封的材料外，所有法院文件和记录中的证据均向公众开放。\n该非当事人进一步申请介入，以“提供其权利遭受侵犯的证据”，并提出与“潜在受害者赔偿或资产追回”相关的主张。见第2页。若该非当事人确实拥有此类主张，可依照《美国法典》第21编第853条或《犯罪受害者权利法案》（CVRA）所规定的程序予以追索，但其在此案中并未遵循相关程序。\n最后，该非当事人还希望介入以提供与本案刑事指控相关的“证词或证据”。见第2页。作为刑事案件的非当事人，朱贝贝无权以提供未经请求的证词或证据为由申请介入。因此，ECF编号526的动议被驳回。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e06929a607924c3cc10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":486,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T03:22:02.491Z","text":"［用户 him***］ ［用户 chu***］ 老郭的rico 到底咋回事？是债权人吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q27b55b55437b0fc04f1d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":487,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-29T03:28:49.868Z","text":"不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27b55b55437b0fc04f1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qbf7ee309059f5725a18f","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":488,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:03:37.019Z","text":"是的。联盟农场那帮家伙才是迫害七哥的罪魁祸首！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf7ee309059f5725a18f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q551457b0320989d59e21","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":489,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:16:54.685Z","text":"顶格的违规我应该都挖了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q551457b0320989d59e21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb6f11fcf18e11b1967d7","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":490,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:18:00.263Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  ［用户 zci***］  你们曾经说妨碍司法 虚假索赔 只是拒绝保释的一个子原因之一。等我的报告出来 我可以让你们看看 什么叫千里之堤 溃于蚁穴","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6f11fcf18e11b1967d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q6755aabd0cdde9ef0584","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":491,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:18:32.907Z","text":"你们现在多写点反对我的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6755aabd0cdde9ef0584","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":492,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:18:42.117Z","text":"现在不写 等我报告出来 你们真的危险了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qcdb808ce78d8d02fe353","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":493,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:23:02.823Z","text":"低调低调。你的成功关他们什么事？\n人家只是冷静的观察者。把人家说成热锅上的蚂蚁似的。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdb808ce78d8d02fe353","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q0a113558ba7e1872a643","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":494,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:23:42.023Z","text":"哈哈 先要预热一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a113558ba7e1872a643","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":495,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:24:09.503Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 你们无法想象我挖到了什么","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q558511a0747a18db7f25","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":496,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T04:25:45.775Z","text":"我以前宣传革命很积极好吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q392abd337cb9df9f2568","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558511a0747a18db7f25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qae0ed61cd6fae583a897","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":497,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T04:25:56.296Z","text":"不然怎么会去喝茶","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae0ed61cd6fae583a897","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc15a58ff2d3d7a3e9c8d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":498,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:26:00.992Z","text":"毫无疑问，你一定是找到了G点，所以才这么兴奋。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc15a58ff2d3d7a3e9c8d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qfb95b059aaf963f259bb","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":499,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:26:50.153Z","text":"我现在能把他们打的爬不起来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb95b059aaf963f259bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q12484f1d345183841a80","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":500,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:26:53.474Z","text":"但还打不死他们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12484f1d345183841a80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd279f8abede07a8fefbf","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":501,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:27:02.946Z","text":"真正打死他们 需要配合辩方用布雷迪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd279f8abede07a8fefbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qef0823f105e4802f6923","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":502,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:27:12.622Z","text":"我在找一棍子就能彻底打死的细节","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef0823f105e4802f6923","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q620261dd8469d313db57","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":503,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:37:13.920Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  我可以给你透露一点点","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q620261dd8469d313db57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qff62e90765d062ccac40","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":504,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:37:39.299Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 这是经济诈骗案还是政治迫害案？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff62e90765d062ccac40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q793013912a01204a29a5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":505,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:37:46.148Z","text":"都不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q793013912a01204a29a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb372d602501e31e672a6","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":506,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:38:13.480Z","text":"本案的性质比上述这俩加起来都严重","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb372d602501e31e672a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb39d2bc4869c238dfef8","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":507,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:38:25.694Z","text":"那会是一个什么类型的案件呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb39d2bc4869c238dfef8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q1b264fc8cb30f7d56d96","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":508,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T04:51:42.788Z","text":"那我就加一句说，这在投资者当中是大家全都心知肚明的事情，一深入调查走访便知道了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0968429de58aa8bfc7ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b264fc8cb30f7d56d96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0968429de58aa8bfc7ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":509,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T04:53:10.551Z","text":"昨天我把我的方案发在农场里，让战友们集思广益，帮忙修改指正，结果管理员，居然直接删除了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7b78ad4d3acfa639210","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7b78ad4d3acfa639210","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q793caeef1e6dfe5ec78c","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":510,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:55:54.808Z","text":"你到现如今还对农场心存幻想？它还没把你踢出去？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q793caeef1e6dfe5ec78c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qe24b4d259d7c762dcfb5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":511,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:56:45.457Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  你们如果确定自诉上不去之后 那我就开始弑神模式","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe24b4d259d7c762dcfb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q52971dc8073d05c6e95e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":512,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:05.983Z","text":"农场和联盟合伙害七哥、压制言论自由","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52971dc8073d05c6e95e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q2adc724561684026e44b","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":513,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:14.147Z","text":"我会把整个法庭彻底捅穿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2adc724561684026e44b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q4c49ec65379f2c63cdfa","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":514,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:18.731Z","text":"扒光他们的内裤！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c49ec65379f2c63cdfa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":515,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:20.873Z","text":"农场负责人是共谋犯或者嫌疑共谋犯，动议里是被打击的对象。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q5e66488d44d87beea224","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":516,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T05:04:13.442Z","text":"法庭文件确认了农场负责人是七哥共谋吗？那为啥没审判？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e66488d44d87beea224","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q7a412c2ccf82aa5d09ff","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":517,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T05:06:18.099Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 检方反对了盖尔 没反对luc吧？@","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a412c2ccf82aa5d09ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q712c2919bec5ea33aec5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":518,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T05:11:44.934Z","text":"检方就是恶意起诉被告，那些诈骗犯，基本都会发展为污点证人来栽赃被告，怎么可能跟它们认真！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e66488d44d87beea224","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q712c2919bec5ea33aec5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e66488d44d87beea224","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":519,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T05:14:29.660Z","text":"根据机器人的反馈，在美国，把真正的诈骗犯发展为污点证人来诬陷人，并不少见。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":520,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T05:43:46.846Z","text":"晕。这机器人都知道了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q280146351c8903112047","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":521,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T05:45:28.623Z","text":"因为做了污点证人了，所以不用审判？\n一个都没有审判吗？\n那是意味着所有农场负责人都作证了？\n这不是实际情况吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q280146351c8903112047","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q4d554282480620e5f97a","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":522,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T05:46:10.499Z","text":"晕。这个世界太黑暗了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d554282480620e5f97a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qffe7622f9f0f42583b44","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":523,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T05:48:09.550Z","text":"机器人知道的是它数据库的的那种栽赃案例不少。做污点证人就是可以减轻或者免于刑事处罚。只要不干净的，一定愿意当污点证人。您觉得哪个干净？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q280146351c8903112047","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffe7622f9f0f42583b44","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q280146351c8903112047","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd6d8582a980d9e401372","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":524,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T05:48:13.266Z","text":"里三层外三层围着世界上最善良正义的人打得鼻青脸肿。而这事发生在美国。我都快得抑郁症了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6d8582a980d9e401372","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qff78dda4394845ba4165","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":525,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-29T06:14:06.545Z","text":"啥农场？竟然没有踢你？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff78dda4394845ba4165","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb1db9dc14561275c52f4","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":526,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T06:16:08.947Z","text":"我救七哥凭啥踢我","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff78dda4394845ba4165","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1db9dc14561275c52f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff78dda4394845ba4165","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q835cf810a55004f62336","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":527,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T06:18:16.439Z","text":"删除我的方案，都已经是很不可思议了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q835cf810a55004f62336","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q51eee794690880588f73","batch_id":"batc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miss chin","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc56a841b3dcb600fd6a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qa1c8d96e9b57acec3777","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":596,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:08.527Z","text":"各位 你们先自诉一个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1c8d96e9b57acec3777","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q3128733bb6aed66fce03","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":597,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:19.057Z","text":"如果一个月后效果不理想 我教大家怎么办","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3128733bb6aed66fce03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q639b798f23fb2a163f80","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":598,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:34.871Z","text":"我已经想好了一整套拍死他们的办法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q639b798f23fb2a163f80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qe3eab62a1d6f0791f752","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":599,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:43.955Z","text":"这次没有人可以逃脱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3eab62a1d6f0791f752","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q4f89d31126649ec7790e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":600,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T08:34:35.411Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 纸质提交的 法官无权拒绝","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f89d31126649ec7790e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000029","next_batch_id":"batch-000031"}