{"id":"batch-000030","number":30,"revision":1,"date_start":"2025-08-28T04:56:04.479Z","date_end":"2025-08-29T21:47:12.335Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 030 (Aug 28, 2025 – Aug 29, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debate strategies for seeking restitution and asset forfeiture, clashing over whether to file pro se petitions under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) or the Crime Victims' Rights Act to expose alleged fraud, or pursue routine administrative remission. 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another participant whether they oppose Guo."},{"message_id":"q7c139c45df0249f30f22","summary_en":"zci*** expresses curiosity regarding how the final five percent will experience the conclusion of the movement."},{"message_id":"q2deec8692a74e52430e7","summary_en":"zci*** argues that ordinary individuals should expose the alliance to persuade adherents who still believe the alliance and Guo share common goals."}]}],"summary":"本次讨论主要围绕涉案资产没收、维权途径选择及司法程序中的阻碍展开深入交锋。部分参与者主张依据美国法典第21卷第853条(n)款或《犯罪受害者权利法案》（CVRA），以自诉（Pro Se）形式向法院递交请愿书或动议，借此将农场及联盟的诈骗内幕带入法庭记录并争取赔偿；但另一方认为个人自诉门槛过高，更可能因违反滥诉限制令（如ECF 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him***］ ［用户 him***］  只能靠你了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdc37da25f54bae94ee9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qfe0de9a1868341ede5ca","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":422,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-28T22:28:41.397Z","text":"你们任何人，都可以打电话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe0de9a1868341ede5ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q0be729c21da3ba580d90","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":423,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-28T22:34:53.657Z","text":"我觉得是书记员学聪明了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0be729c21da3ba580d90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc85d4b6bb6b7aa9fe8b5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":424,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-28T23:10:20.212Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/1961204613102948786?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc85d4b6bb6b7aa9fe8b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":425,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-29T00:22:44.587Z","text":"［用户 rui***］ 问律师的邮件我发了，抄送了所有检察官","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q729a0f255fdcf02e4755","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":426,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T00:34:38.535Z","text":"可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q729a0f255fdcf02e4755","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab80b78dd0cf1d45fcb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q84d5ae8248680a8cd1c8","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":427,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T00:34:46.145Z","text":"律师不回 我就干","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84d5ae8248680a8cd1c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q787396a8b13ce98c8e61","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":428,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T01:15:27.325Z","text":"牢底坐穿了 完蛋了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q787396a8b13ce98c8e61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q15edc383a01e1fccf8cf","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":429,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T01:18:44.283Z","text":"我都烦死咯 他要出不来 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就不好玩了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbd3868725c90488f3cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc00c6afbdea0afdad261","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":438,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T01:48:53.785Z","text":"他都阳痿了，你还指望他？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6453575b210530d194bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc00c6afbdea0afdad261","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6453575b210530d194bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q8ca45c40429e9dd65080","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":439,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T01:49:36.676Z","text":"联盟隔几天给你一次高潮 哪受得了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ca45c40429e9dd65080","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q39c5041ce482342ed35c","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":440,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T02:06:23.941Z","text":"3. 这算不算违法 / 违反正当程序？\n\n从 法律原则上看，如果书记官因为内容而阻止第三方 §853(n) petition 入卷，那确实触及 due process（正当程序）。\n\n判例支持你的说法：比如 U.S. v. 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螺丝哥507动议中英文原版","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q323bc3512081b45acd95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q987817948d26b66b2586","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":470,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T02:46:43.859Z","text":"螺丝哥第一个上传到法庭的动议（505是介入申请）就是507， 你们可以读一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q987817948d26b66b2586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qef3e613a00a3a9034daa","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":471,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-08-29T02:53:34.452Z","text":"法庭528：另一位自称“Chunk Chyi”的非当事人的在过去两周几乎每天都向案卷中提交信件，见 ECF 编号 505、507、508、510、513、517、519、522、524。除ECF编号505可宽泛地解释为是无律师代理的人（pro se）根据§ 853(n)提交的申请（petition）以外，其余Chunk Chyi的提交均属不当。Chunk Chyi 多次否认自己是受害者，例如见 ECF 编号513、517，而其众多提交内容涉及超出本刑事诉讼范围的私人事务，例如见 ECF 编号 508、519、524。此外，Chunk Chyi 的某些提交内容可能被解释为对政府及被告犯罪受害者的威胁或骚扰，例如见 ECF 编号 517、522。因此，ECF 编号 508、510、519、522 和 524 中的非当事人动议被驳回。Chunk Chyi 或其任何别名或代表若违反本命令或适用法院规则继续提交文件，可能被视为无理取闹、恶意或骚扰行为，并可能面临永久禁止提交的裁定。\n\n法庭596：根据2025年4月3日的法院命令（ECF编号528），法院说明了非当事人在刑事案件中提交信件、动议或其他文件的有限情形。法院讨论了自称为Chunk Chyi和Bei Bei Zhu的个人所提交的具体文件。法院解释了这些人的提交为何不当，并指出其中一些文件可能被视为具有威胁性、骚扰性，或至少是恶意的。法院警告称，进一步的不当提交可能会导致提交人受到永久禁止提交文件的裁定。\n在法院命令入卷后的24小时内，Chunk Chyi和Bei Bei Zhu又提交了六份不当文件（见ECF编号553–557, 582）。因此，法院认定Chunk Chyi和Bei Bei Zhu是恶意的非当事人，滥用了公众对法院的访问权，明显违反了法院命令。法院命令，今后Chunk Chyi或Bei Bei Zhu，或其任何别名或代表所提交的任何文件，必须经过法院审查，只有在法院认定该提交符合适用的法院规则、出于善意并具有合法依据时，方可入卷。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef3e613a00a3a9034daa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q57aac93f30b1516a3034","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":472,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T02:58:04.455Z","text":"但本群其它的人呢？为什么被审查，这几天应该不止群主一个人发了自诉邮件，难道所有人都因为格式问题被拒绝上传？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aac93f30b1516a3034","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qffed6da101a01e413537","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":473,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:01:16.920Z","text":"也许这几天就是只有群主一个人发了呢。就算不只是群主一个人发了，按照螺丝哥507动议里写的，如果法官看你动议不顺眼，她可以不让上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57aac93f30b1516a3034","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffed6da101a01e413537","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57aac93f30b1516a3034","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q668de7026eea5164d9b6","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":474,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:02:05.654Z","text":"当然法官到底有没有不让上传的权利，就不知道了，你可以查查机器人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q668de7026eea5164d9b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q44ab5c29331b273f4734","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":475,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T03:03:26.249Z","text":"正常程序是要让有财产纠纷的人说话，你可以驳回，但不能不让说。真是这样，那是法官在违反正当程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffed6da101a01e413537","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44ab5c29331b273f4734","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffed6da101a01e413537","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd4ed75005f3240cf429d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":476,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:06:05.714Z","text":"🤷‍♂️","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44ab5c29331b273f4734","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4ed75005f3240cf429d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44ab5c29331b273f4734","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q5ef024de052a30271c94","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":477,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T03:07:03.191Z","text":"这法庭也用恶意一词，我印象中，这是中共官员最爱用的词。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ef024de052a30271c94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qa0f41598fea7dbed961e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":478,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:08:32.220Z","text":"在505之前，螺丝哥发了三个动议，法官都不让上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0f41598fea7dbed961e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qbe0a980c373b48bf4784","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":479,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:08:54.744Z","text":"后来不知道怎么让上传了，就有了505和507","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe0a980c373b48bf4784","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb8c329cf3cf26af977e8","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":480,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:09:29.626Z","text":"然后到524，螺丝哥打了luc，法官就警告他了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8c329cf3cf26af977e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q1f51b4694fa9084c43cf","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":481,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:09:46.162Z","text":"事情就是这样地😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f51b4694fa9084c43cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd739557d8597c72b191d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":482,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T03:11:03.089Z","text":"3. 这算不算违法 / 违反正当程序？\n\n从 法律原则上看，如果书记官因为内容而阻止第三方 §853(n) petition 入卷，那确实触及 due process（正当程序）。\n\n判例支持你的说法：比如 U.S. v. Fafalios (919 F. Supp. 276, 278 (S.D. Ohio 1996))，法院明确指出第三方必须有实质机会提出主张，否则就是违宪。\n\n但在现实操作上，书记官办公室属于“行政端”，很少直接留下“拒绝 docket 因为内容”的书面痕迹。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q668de7026eea5164d9b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd739557d8597c72b191d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q668de7026eea5164d9b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q22b25617dcddfce93263","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":483,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:11:40.286Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1952554815898136631","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22b25617dcddfce93263","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qa75d8205837e091bed87","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":484,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-08-29T03:15:09.411Z","text":"👆 这是我之前用机器人查的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa75d8205837e091bed87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q8e06929a607924c3cc10","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":485,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-08-29T03:18:14.502Z","text":"根据2025年4月1日的来函，一名非当事人，名为朱贝贝（Bei Bei Zhu），提交了一份“以自行辩护身份申请介入的动议”（Motion to Intervene Pro Se）。ECF编号526（大小写略有调整）。该非当事人申请介入的理由是“获取相关证据和法院文件”。见第2页。然而，在刑事案件中，获取证据或法院文件并不是有效的介入依据，因为除依法密封的材料外，所有法院文件和记录中的证据均向公众开放。\n该非当事人进一步申请介入，以“提供其权利遭受侵犯的证据”，并提出与“潜在受害者赔偿或资产追回”相关的主张。见第2页。若该非当事人确实拥有此类主张，可依照《美国法典》第21编第853条或《犯罪受害者权利法案》（CVRA）所规定的程序予以追索，但其在此案中并未遵循相关程序。\n最后，该非当事人还希望介入以提供与本案刑事指控相关的“证词或证据”。见第2页。作为刑事案件的非当事人，朱贝贝无权以提供未经请求的证词或证据为由申请介入。因此，ECF编号526的动议被驳回。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e06929a607924c3cc10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":486,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T03:22:02.491Z","text":"［用户 him***］ ［用户 chu***］ 老郭的rico 到底咋回事？是债权人吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q27b55b55437b0fc04f1d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":487,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-08-29T03:28:49.868Z","text":"不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27b55b55437b0fc04f1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9658a0adf7cad6c8e7cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qbf7ee309059f5725a18f","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":488,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:03:37.019Z","text":"是的。联盟农场那帮家伙才是迫害七哥的罪魁祸首！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf7ee309059f5725a18f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q551457b0320989d59e21","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":489,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:16:54.685Z","text":"顶格的违规我应该都挖了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q551457b0320989d59e21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb6f11fcf18e11b1967d7","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":490,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:18:00.263Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  ［用户 zci***］  你们曾经说妨碍司法 虚假索赔 只是拒绝保释的一个子原因之一。等我的报告出来 我可以让你们看看 什么叫千里之堤 溃于蚁穴","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6f11fcf18e11b1967d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q6755aabd0cdde9ef0584","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":491,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:18:32.907Z","text":"你们现在多写点反对我的东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6755aabd0cdde9ef0584","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":492,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:18:42.117Z","text":"现在不写 等我报告出来 你们真的危险了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qcdb808ce78d8d02fe353","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":493,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:23:02.823Z","text":"低调低调。你的成功关他们什么事？\n人家只是冷静的观察者。把人家说成热锅上的蚂蚁似的。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdb808ce78d8d02fe353","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc79df702b091fb9cdeb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q0a113558ba7e1872a643","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":494,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:23:42.023Z","text":"哈哈 先要预热一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a113558ba7e1872a643","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":495,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:24:09.503Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 你们无法想象我挖到了什么","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q558511a0747a18db7f25","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":496,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T04:25:45.775Z","text":"我以前宣传革命很积极好吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q392abd337cb9df9f2568","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558511a0747a18db7f25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qae0ed61cd6fae583a897","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":497,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-08-29T04:25:56.296Z","text":"不然怎么会去喝茶","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae0ed61cd6fae583a897","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qc15a58ff2d3d7a3e9c8d","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":498,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:26:00.992Z","text":"毫无疑问，你一定是找到了G点，所以才这么兴奋。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc15a58ff2d3d7a3e9c8d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ddea51c1d77e3ff08bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qfb95b059aaf963f259bb","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":499,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:26:50.153Z","text":"我现在能把他们打的爬不起来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb95b059aaf963f259bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q12484f1d345183841a80","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":500,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:26:53.474Z","text":"但还打不死他们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12484f1d345183841a80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd279f8abede07a8fefbf","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":501,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:27:02.946Z","text":"真正打死他们 需要配合辩方用布雷迪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd279f8abede07a8fefbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qef0823f105e4802f6923","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":502,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:27:12.622Z","text":"我在找一棍子就能彻底打死的细节","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef0823f105e4802f6923","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q620261dd8469d313db57","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":503,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:37:13.920Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  我可以给你透露一点点","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q620261dd8469d313db57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qff62e90765d062ccac40","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":504,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:37:39.299Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 这是经济诈骗案还是政治迫害案？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff62e90765d062ccac40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q793013912a01204a29a5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":505,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:37:46.148Z","text":"都不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q793013912a01204a29a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb372d602501e31e672a6","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":506,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:38:13.480Z","text":"本案的性质比上述这俩加起来都严重","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb372d602501e31e672a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb39d2bc4869c238dfef8","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":507,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:38:25.694Z","text":"那会是一个什么类型的案件呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb39d2bc4869c238dfef8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q1b264fc8cb30f7d56d96","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":508,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T04:51:42.788Z","text":"那我就加一句说，这在投资者当中是大家全都心知肚明的事情，一深入调查走访便知道了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0968429de58aa8bfc7ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b264fc8cb30f7d56d96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0968429de58aa8bfc7ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":509,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T04:53:10.551Z","text":"昨天我把我的方案发在农场里，让战友们集思广益，帮忙修改指正，结果管理员，居然直接删除了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7b78ad4d3acfa639210","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7b78ad4d3acfa639210","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q793caeef1e6dfe5ec78c","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":510,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:55:54.808Z","text":"你到现如今还对农场心存幻想？它还没把你踢出去？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q793caeef1e6dfe5ec78c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qe24b4d259d7c762dcfb5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":511,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:56:45.457Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  你们如果确定自诉上不去之后 那我就开始弑神模式","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe24b4d259d7c762dcfb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q52971dc8073d05c6e95e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":512,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:05.983Z","text":"农场和联盟合伙害七哥、压制言论自由","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52971dc8073d05c6e95e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q2adc724561684026e44b","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":513,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:14.147Z","text":"我会把整个法庭彻底捅穿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2adc724561684026e44b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q4c49ec65379f2c63cdfa","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":514,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:18.731Z","text":"扒光他们的内裤！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c49ec65379f2c63cdfa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":515,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T04:57:20.873Z","text":"农场负责人是共谋犯或者嫌疑共谋犯，动议里是被打击的对象。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q5e66488d44d87beea224","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":516,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T05:04:13.442Z","text":"法庭文件确认了农场负责人是七哥共谋吗？那为啥没审判？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e66488d44d87beea224","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb89af33e76714b2a28","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q7a412c2ccf82aa5d09ff","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":517,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T05:06:18.099Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 检方反对了盖尔 没反对luc吧？@","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a412c2ccf82aa5d09ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q712c2919bec5ea33aec5","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":518,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T05:11:44.934Z","text":"检方就是恶意起诉被告，那些诈骗犯，基本都会发展为污点证人来栽赃被告，怎么可能跟它们认真！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e66488d44d87beea224","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q712c2919bec5ea33aec5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e66488d44d87beea224","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":519,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T05:14:29.660Z","text":"根据机器人的反馈，在美国，把真正的诈骗犯发展为污点证人来诬陷人，并不少见。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":520,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T05:43:46.846Z","text":"晕。这机器人都知道了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ae9d75ab1758aa2ab94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q280146351c8903112047","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":521,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T05:45:28.623Z","text":"因为做了污点证人了，所以不用审判？\n一个都没有审判吗？\n那是意味着所有农场负责人都作证了？\n这不是实际情况吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q280146351c8903112047","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q4d554282480620e5f97a","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":522,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T05:46:10.499Z","text":"晕。这个世界太黑暗了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d554282480620e5f97a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb27ed54e0bdafddd8e3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qffe7622f9f0f42583b44","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":523,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-08-29T05:48:09.550Z","text":"机器人知道的是它数据库的的那种栽赃案例不少。做污点证人就是可以减轻或者免于刑事处罚。只要不干净的，一定愿意当污点证人。您觉得哪个干净？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q280146351c8903112047","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffe7622f9f0f42583b44","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q280146351c8903112047","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qd6d8582a980d9e401372","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":524,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-08-29T05:48:13.266Z","text":"里三层外三层围着世界上最善良正义的人打得鼻青脸肿。而这事发生在美国。我都快得抑郁症了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6d8582a980d9e401372","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qff78dda4394845ba4165","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":525,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-08-29T06:14:06.545Z","text":"啥农场？竟然没有踢你？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff78dda4394845ba4165","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ae38a88fe0acbb94a2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qb1db9dc14561275c52f4","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":526,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T06:16:08.947Z","text":"我救七哥凭啥踢我","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff78dda4394845ba4165","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1db9dc14561275c52f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff78dda4394845ba4165","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q835cf810a55004f62336","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":527,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-08-29T06:18:16.439Z","text":"删除我的方案，都已经是很不可思议了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q835cf810a55004f62336","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q51eee794690880588f73","batch_id":"batc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miss chin","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc56a841b3dcb600fd6a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qa1c8d96e9b57acec3777","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":596,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:08.527Z","text":"各位 你们先自诉一个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1c8d96e9b57acec3777","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q3128733bb6aed66fce03","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":597,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:19.057Z","text":"如果一个月后效果不理想 我教大家怎么办","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3128733bb6aed66fce03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q639b798f23fb2a163f80","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":598,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:34.871Z","text":"我已经想好了一整套拍死他们的办法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q639b798f23fb2a163f80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"qe3eab62a1d6f0791f752","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":599,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T07:25:43.955Z","text":"这次没有人可以逃脱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3eab62a1d6f0791f752","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"},{"id":"q4f89d31126649ec7790e","batch_id":"batch-000030","seq":600,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-29T08:34:35.411Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 纸质提交的 法官无权拒绝","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f89d31126649ec7790e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000030"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000029","next_batch_id":"batch-000031"}