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没有伪类 没有战友 只有在法庭上你是什么角色","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf1cb7af9747530ef493","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q64f2f4342959521ae784","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":4,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T06:58:13.170Z","text":"灭爆 五毛 伪类 都可以来 我们欢迎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64f2f4342959521ae784","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q47b3a0ce75de6a994e12","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":5,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T06:58:19.117Z","text":"讨论 对骂 都行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47b3a0ce75de6a994e12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q638142db46f697f0acc5","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":6,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T06:58:21.795Z","text":"那还不够，咱们得整出一份《自诉全书》，直接从里面挑现成的素材，可以速成动议，这样参与的人更多","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc66052345c3b689101f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q638142db46f697f0acc5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc66052345c3b689101f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q716c5cf3cc578a79e6d9","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":7,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T06:58:51.689Z","text":"恩 主要是我这个打检方就是翻案去的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q638142db46f697f0acc5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716c5cf3cc578a79e6d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q638142db46f697f0acc5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6cb9540eb7378beecfab","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":8,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T06:59:02.666Z","text":"其他肯定还有很多点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cb9540eb7378beecfab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4a5bccdc26be98cd9aab","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":9,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T06:59:20.972Z","text":"这礼拜要是直接翻案了那就啥都省了😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q716c5cf3cc578a79e6d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a5bccdc26be98cd9aab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716c5cf3cc578a79e6d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q22f3d1ef3eec7c0862ac","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":10,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:00:09.238Z","text":"哈哈 那不可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4a5bccdc26be98cd9aab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22f3d1ef3eec7c0862ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a5bccdc26be98cd9aab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc83dca8a2cf85de765b3","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":11,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:00:39.349Z","text":"我给托雷斯两周时间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc83dca8a2cf85de765b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q23a2eafb8041fb6b082e","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":12,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:00:47.367Z","text":"如果没反应 就别怪我啦！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23a2eafb8041fb6b082e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qaf973f12460844d46f72","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":13,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T07:01:35.400Z","text":"两周有点紧张，上一期动议等了很久才上传，10天吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf973f12460844d46f72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3d285dfad3e301f702b5","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":14,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:01:44.978Z","text":"恩","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaf973f12460844d46f72","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d285dfad3e301f702b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf973f12460844d46f72","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qdfe03d04b914388b3dc1","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":15,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:01:52.616Z","text":"慢慢陪她玩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfe03d04b914388b3dc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q35e1ea88ea3ce24a740d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":16,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:02:09.483Z","text":"我的感觉 最后我肯定还是要和托雷斯撕破脸","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2713f58befe2d60a3aab","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35e1ea88ea3ce24a740d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q64e7768d20d8b16a6b9c","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":17,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T07:02:13.350Z","text":"等他思考清楚了才知道好坏啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2713f58befe2d60a3aab","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e7768d20d8b16a6b9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qa277ec90babd52abc4fb","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":18,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-08T07:03:12.040Z","text":"瑞恩小哥的已经发了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4f125ea9208216ac9b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa277ec90babd52abc4fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4f125ea9208216ac9b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qfb3d35975e13b5c9fb34","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":19,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T07:03:14.202Z","text":"未必，之前咱们就想的太悲观，才导致你准备这份报告，结果法官还是上传动议了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35e1ea88ea3ce24a740d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb3d35975e13b5c9fb34","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35e1ea88ea3ce24a740d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q2202635600bd756b2406","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":20,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-09-08T07:03:26.918Z","text":"大家都不是小孩，大多数人一进此群就知道是来干什么的。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64e7768d20d8b16a6b9c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2202635600bd756b2406","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e7768d20d8b16a6b9c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc3ec73cf0d3907baaa67","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":21,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T07:03:47.559Z","text":"等他出招，以招拆招","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3ec73cf0d3907baaa67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qa39648273797b13bfc96","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":22,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:03:53.829Z","text":"不是啊 我的这份动议逼供肯定是要发的 如果不发 老郭是不可能翻案的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfb3d35975e13b5c9fb34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa39648273797b13bfc96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb3d35975e13b5c9fb34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q5b74de77036c3c871fce","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":23,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:04:20.920Z","text":"大家如果都853 成规模的 但律师不动 也是不行的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b74de77036c3c871fce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q1872418f23ce06ef7d6d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":24,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T07:04:39.691Z","text":"你这动议没问题啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa39648273797b13bfc96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1872418f23ce06ef7d6d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa39648273797b13bfc96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qfc72cccff2817ecb9c85","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":25,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:04:40.369Z","text":"如果托雷斯表现很好 那我之后的动议 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chu***］  当年你说 新老联盟集体失声 铸就了你青史留名的机会 现在轮到考验托雷斯了 如果她对我的动议失声 就给了我青史留名的机会 🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb4d034eaf823fa4865e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6d9c5d37aff4e9cf92f1","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":36,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-08T07:10:24.079Z","text":"重点不看 ，就盯着那句了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d9c5d37aff4e9cf92f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qba0d264138f48e7ada18","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":37,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-08T07:10:48.769Z","text":"是已经发出去了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfb4d034eaf823fa4865e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba0d264138f48e7ada18","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb4d034eaf823fa4865e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q91c9724ae62767dc8702","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":38,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-09-08T07:10:57.574Z","text":"我看他是故意的。\n林子大了什么鸟都有。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d9c5d37aff4e9cf92f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91c9724ae62767dc8702","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d9c5d37aff4e9cf92f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q636320b5f6eccbf1f775","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":39,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:11:10.172Z","text":"已经发了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qba0d264138f48e7ada18","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q636320b5f6eccbf1f775","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba0d264138f48e7ada18","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qf10df92ae921b427b59c","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":40,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T07:43:00.744Z","text":"853就是要成规模，否则那个效果还是会比较差，到现在才上去多少封，我估计能上50封就了不得了\n你们八仙过海各显神通，反正我能力有限只能打打853","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf10df92ae921b427b59c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qb90c5efd5a0126a42434","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":41,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T07:45:24.471Z","text":"需要几十份853打底 几份受害者骚操作攻坚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb90c5efd5a0126a42434","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q92cabb23bd7af7619438","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":42,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T07:54:38.813Z","text":"https://x.com/testurheart/status/1964960484614189128?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92cabb23bd7af7619438","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q416a01aac5d43d3269c1","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":43,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-09-08T08:05:26.563Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/1964963187541053565?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q416a01aac5d43d3269c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q11a17d17d13b2fe64082","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":44,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-08T08:36:41.911Z","text":"瑞恩同志写的主要关于债权人登记部分的报告。你们引用要有自己的判断，不要盲目跟风相信引用，自己代表自己，你对你自己负责。\n[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11a17d17d13b2fe64082","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qcf1948f061eb956fe6ba","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":45,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T08:42:30.414Z","text":"参加债权人登记的可以参考一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf1948f061eb956fe6ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q90fbce315eab525241f6","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":46,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T08:43:21.312Z","text":"错别字，自诉，不是自述哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q416a01aac5d43d3269c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90fbce315eab525241f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q416a01aac5d43d3269c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q1890bdf4df98c5511c8e","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":47,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T09:25:51.675Z","text":"所有自诉都要遵循唯真不破的原则，是这样就是这样，不要做任何猜疑，你可以合理质疑检方、Luc、盖尔等等，但是不要在没有证据的情况下用我以为这样的方式说，东西是要进卷宗的必须对你自己负责","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11a17d17d13b2fe64082","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1890bdf4df98c5511c8e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11a17d17d13b2fe64082","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q550a18ba60025b3a7a32","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":48,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T09:28:12.825Z","text":"受害人不合规只是你我认为的，在检方的叙事中已经是合规的，检方的叙事也被陪审团接纳了。哈雷他们多次组织受害人填表，就是在此基础上，扩大受害人规模，可以在量刑的时候，帮助检方，让检方提出给七哥增加刑期的意见。十分的阴毒","edited":false,"reply_to":"q236070ac5edddaa85fa0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q550a18ba60025b3a7a32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q236070ac5edddaa85fa0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q42167da59db5f2ada790","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":49,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T09:30:23.484Z","text":"嗯，有些道理，之前只填了一部分受害者，这次的受害者填的范围涵盖了几乎所有的G系列，他们想把规模扩的更大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q550a18ba60025b3a7a32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42167da59db5f2ada790","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q550a18ba60025b3a7a32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q281cfe496bd34e22bea2","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":50,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-08T09:30:51.313Z","text":"你赶快把瑞恩同志写的内容全部推翻，行不行啊？我支持你","edited":false,"reply_to":"q550a18ba60025b3a7a32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q281cfe496bd34e22bea2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q550a18ba60025b3a7a32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qd24cc023ab595780efdf","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":51,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T09:31:24.034Z","text":"灭爆一直在行动，被灭的一直在逃避","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd24cc023ab595780efdf","reply_url":null,"reply_lab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Se价值几何！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae6ab9b6bb290e1b7b6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qebfa6a1775250dd97b24","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":61,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:36:23.272Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 你在508里已经对盖尔下手了啊👍","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebfa6a1775250dd97b24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qacff9da3219d2593a802","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":62,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:37:08.372Z","text":"看来呀，真的没几个战友，哈哈哈哈，几乎全是垃圾杂碎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d629020699972a7642e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacff9da3219d2593a802","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q8b838239b74a8b237b94","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":63,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:38:59.302Z","text":"能从重重围堵里突破出来的本来就少\n如果不被拉黑，还能从他们里面挖很多出来，他们把羊（糊涂战友）看的很紧不让你靠近","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b838239b74a8b237b94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q2abab0796268360b2ac6","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":64,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:39:29.264Z","text":"加拿大，麻烦大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2abab0796268360b2ac6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4eb7f75d9745f47d5f6e","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":65,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:39:46.975Z","text":"小羊杂碎也在加拿大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4eb7f75d9745f47d5f6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qfe8d38ae489d11b75c37","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":66,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:41:01.960Z","text":"我说糊涂战友，在他们眼里有就和圈养的羊一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe8d38ae489d11b75c37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qb61ef3450eb325ef9ee0","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":67,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:41:55.104Z","text":"你是大智若愚，看似疯癫，实则门儿清🤣 ，天天给那群爱郭贼扔💩，炸死那群爱郭贼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f667f9d086f896c3c73","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb61ef3450eb325ef9ee0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qdcc93cea204c3e0d7171","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":68,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:43:25.516Z","text":"一部分是年纪比较大，不懂英文，搞不清楚这些文件，一部分是比较天真没脑子，但凡有点脑子的，在他们每次让填表的时候，问问机器人能不能填，也该知道其中的利害关系了。也不会被新老诈骗联盟利用了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe8d38ae489d11b75c37","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcc93cea204c3e0d7171","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe8d38ae489d11b75c37","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q837aa62ba881ae200c51","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":69,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:44:31.452Z","text":"我觉得问不出来的，填表可不一定看出问题，主要是大家对联盟没防范意识","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdcc93cea204c3e0d7171","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q837aa62ba881ae200c51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcc93cea204c3e0d7171","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q94ba8785edea5bb4c1c3","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":70,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:45:27.955Z","text":"谁有HDO的白皮书呢？只有那个只有HCN的白皮书","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94ba8785edea5bb4c1c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q88fa89842f307b93edf8","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":71,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:46:03.988Z","text":"法庭文件里好像没有找到白皮书，谁知道在哪里吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88fa89842f307b93edf8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qab0e9372e868200cd5b6","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":72,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-09-08T10:46:53.726Z","text":"都是马后炮 套路。跟小皮匠一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29fe28ba938f49302543","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab0e9372e868200cd5b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q903c0135dbed16761525","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":73,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:47:35.741Z","text":"所以说啊，那些填表的，先扇自己仨耳光，反省反省，怎么就那么轻易的被新老诈骗联盟利用去加害七哥了呢🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q837aa62ba881ae200c51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q903c0135dbed16761525","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q837aa62ba881ae200c51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q454fac039fe55e806630","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":74,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:48:13.951Z","text":"你咋什么都没有啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88fa89842f307b93edf8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q454fac039fe55e806630","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88fa89842f307b93edf8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4c71b14b474a0c1965b5","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":75,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:48:37.899Z","text":"小皮匠就一睁眼瞎，我跟她说Pro Se她说她再也不填表了，一开始以为这人还能明辨是非，没想到是这种货色","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c71b14b474a0c1965b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q73b581c84a5886a17b65","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":76,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:49:07.361Z","text":"要HDO的，HCN的我发现没用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb9bb4a4766d648ea710","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73b581c84a5886a17b65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q7ad8ea5b8afce44075b4","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":77,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:49:35.491Z","text":"臭皮匠和percy一伙的吧，北京姑娘三人组呢🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c71b14b474a0c1965b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ad8ea5b8afce44075b4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c71b14b474a0c1965b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q8ccf55190e3ddb166be2","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":78,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T10:50:35.398Z","text":"印象中白皮书就这一个","edited":false,"reply_to":"q73b581c84a5886a17b65","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ccf55190e3ddb166be2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73b581c84a5886a17b65","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q63aae6e7c360f820ae67","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":79,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T10:50:59.941Z","text":"HCN HDO各有一个的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63aae6e7c360f820ae67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q8a7051a365b305297487","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":80,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-08T10:53:41.587Z","text":"从庭审笔录4971页，开始，老郭的专家证人Sklar出庭，检方跟他逐页地过《喜交所白皮书》","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a7051a365b305297487","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q7a794b7655a85719a93d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":81,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T11:03:15.205Z","text":"没找到hdo的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63aae6e7c360f820ae67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a794b7655a85719a93d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63aae6e7c360f820ae67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q898c4858875242882afb","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":82,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-08T11:07:04.489Z","text":"感觉您对细节都特别了解，我想请教您一个细节。本案被告，作为喜交易所的顾问，在多次直播中强调hdo与美元储备是完全1：1储备在银行，美元储备除了用来供hdo兑换为美元外，不能对其有其它任何动作。请问喜交易所的hdo白皮书上有没有这样写？更重要的是，你把钱存在银行，你就对银行产生债权，然后银行在符合监管的要求内可以动你的钱。请问，喜交易所把美元储备托管在银行，hdo持有者是直接对银行产生债权？还是hdo持有者对喜交易所产生债权，然后喜交易所对银行产生债权？或者，hdo持有者，只是委托喜交易所把美元储备托管在银行，hdo持有者对对应的美元储备是一种所有权，不是债权，就像您把黄金托管在银行，银行只是保管，但所有权属于你。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a7051a365b305297487","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q898c4858875242882afb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a7051a365b305297487","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q638065ea684154a478cc","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":83,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-08T11:56:17.068Z","text":"1）白皮书没这么写；2）你对喜交所连债权都没有，因为白皮书说喜交所对于将HDO兑换成法币的请求，有完全自主决定是不是同意的权利。你把钱存银行，存活期，你要求取款，银行至少不能没有理由拒绝你。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q898c4858875242882afb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q638065ea684154a478cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q898c4858875242882afb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3db7679749221729eefd","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":84,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-08T12:03:18.512Z","text":"文件725，白白浪费说话的机会。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3db7679749221729eefd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qaedebc344f092f9a650e","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":85,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-08T12:10:40.098Z","text":"按你这么说，这个白皮书都是非法的？你把钱给我，我有权不给你，这种天然违法的东西就这么写进了白皮书？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q638065ea684154a478cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaedebc344f092f9a650e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q638065ea684154a478cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3933b9fd477c51aa2bd1","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":86,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:11:09.231Z","text":"我反对 这个局非常高明 我都没看出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f667f9d086f896c3c73","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3933b9fd477c51aa2bd1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc4ae20f3cc9d77fdec97","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":87,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:15:22.473Z","text":"七哥出手让外人看笑话，咱们自己干坏人那就很正常了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q511bd1cfc35333e9fd41","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4ae20f3cc9d77fdec97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4eecb525a4da45766b34","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":88,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:15:58.191Z","text":"法庭文件有没有更新？ ［用户 rui***］ ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4eecb525a4da45766b34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qd87915e6544e89020c42","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":89,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:16:05.058Z","text":"我觉得不是七哥不出手 是不懂英文 律师也不让他出手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd87915e6544e89020c42","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3197f704a581dfba2589","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":90,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:16:20.425Z","text":"还没到上班时间是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3197f704a581dfba2589","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q8c390ebe57ef0acc42a6","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":91,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:16:53.223Z","text":"你忽略了一点，这个案子还是有受害人的，长岛联盟的126封victim impact statement和 青藤联盟的30多封保密的victim impact statement 都是通过联系检方主动认领了受害人地位，加强了检方的叙事真实性。只不过啊，这些人也填了债权人表🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdcf6c549f1d5a57ea719","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c390ebe57ef0acc42a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf6c549f1d5a57ea719","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q0192a5d329a511cd1233","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":92,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:16:54.649Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3197f704a581dfba2589","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0192a5d329a511cd1233","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3197f704a581dfba2589","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q7fde44c0d0f9621b65da","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":93,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:17:30.370Z","text":"这个我都懒得写 在检方的13大违规中 显得太渺小了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f837a7a52c464c7691d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fde44c0d0f9621b65da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4b0e73a6c67604497a65","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":94,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:17:37.170Z","text":"所有拿了10万美元以上钱的人，都在luc的追缴名单里，民事rico，被告列了几百人，sam也在里面","edited":false,"reply_to":"q78f7bb6a7caf26a8f185","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b0e73a6c67604497a65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78f7bb6a7caf26a8f185","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qded1cfff63938b514cb0","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":95,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:21:31.287Z","text":"725是个纯要钱那个吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3db7679749221729eefd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qded1cfff63938b514cb0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3db7679749221729eefd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qf861626948c4cfc40c65","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":96,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:21:32.696Z","text":"大差不差，检方指控的买游艇，买车，买床垫，买电视，这些肯定是和luc合作了，那个游艇是2017年就买了，检方这群[屏蔽词]虚假指控呢","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9a46e4ea4f8c347fd29f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf861626948c4cfc40c65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a46e4ea4f8c347fd29f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qbca0ae4d6e5ab01faf7f","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":97,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:23:05.502Z","text":"喜交所在被检方冻结之前，已经被共产党深透，拿下了（小sarah），七哥当时在直播的时候说过这个问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d3cb2e8a6aff9c978d1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbca0ae4d6e5ab01faf7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q1be4028e799fdf06cfff","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":98,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:23:40.912Z","text":"压根就没想说，就是要钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb8dff783f5397e00c32","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1be4028e799fdf06cfff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q9d75f9cf6cd55f8fdf8a","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":99,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-08T12:24:00.955Z","text":"白皮书群里有，可以自行阅读","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaedebc344f092f9a650e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d75f9cf6cd55f8fdf8a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaedebc344f092f9a650e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qb73eed3954ddd31ce9e0","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":100,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:24:47.227Z","text":"是的，喜交所肯定早就和盖尔苟合到一起去了，目的都是奔着害七哥去的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a94689eb136ff35518f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb73eed3954ddd31ce9e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6af29ef86c1a328c774f","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":101,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:27:22.950Z","text":"检方在200字里面是十三大违规","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af29ef86c1a328c774f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qfd259695e9fbba71e8b7","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":102,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:27:27.182Z","text":"可以申请吉尼斯纪录了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd259695e9fbba71e8b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qf69a6de141580f345d8c","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":103,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:28:05.779Z","text":"我已经戳到法庭上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf69a6de141580f345d8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q59e333e526e20022bd41","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":104,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:28:13.829Z","text":"托雷斯你不理 你就是犯罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59e333e526e20022bd41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q170927ba0cd95c67897d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":105,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:29:32.697Z","text":"我写的算是很客气了 检方每一项违规都是诈骗 法官一问就知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q170927ba0cd95c67897d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qdddb07fd90f44fa24ef2","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":106,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:32:18.503Z","text":"我估计这个白皮书应该是有瑕疵的，检方和盖尔就是用这个白皮书最后给喜联储定的罪。为什么后面川普主导的天才法案明确强调1:1储备，同时有赎回权，就是弥补了喜币白皮书的这种瑕疵。按照这个思路就能解释，盖尔第一次去法庭上要求解冻资产，他是以钱归填表人所有的名义去干的，而检方那边拿出白皮书来说这个钱不归填表人所有，这样就产生了矛盾。这时候陪审团一看，当然是站在填表人这边，喜联储搞欺诈，欺骗用户。盖尔第一个作用就是这个，我的个人理解 仅供参考","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaedebc344f092f9a650e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdddb07fd90f44fa24ef2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaedebc344f092f9a650e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q486d7799a28639d7df1d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":107,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:33:33.935Z","text":"这哪里违法了？你放下心目中“郭文贵”的神性，想一个别的模型：好比我现在说，咱俩签个字据，你把你一定数额的钱无偿转给我，归我所有不可追溯，这个字据有什么违法与否可言呢？除非我伪造你笔记签约","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaedebc344f092f9a650e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q486d7799a28639d7df1d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaedebc344f092f9a650e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qace874278292d6afbf11","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":108,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-08T12:34:19.223Z","text":"白皮书第10页：喜交所第一阶段：会员受邀请开通喜交所账户，完成KYC，然后用美元1:1购买HDO。灰色小字：第一阶段可以无限延期，对此喜交所有自由决定权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb9bb4a4766d648ea710","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qace874278292d6afbf11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qfc37883338b0e9568c53","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":109,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:35:07.387Z","text":"HDO的白皮书就是个霸王条款，我当时看到这个条款就很不舒服。但是咱也不能说什么，我估计七哥看到了也无可奈何。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc37883338b0e9568c53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q25e57c79e1ce007e1ad4","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":110,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:35:18.705Z","text":"郭本来就是打算在他理解上的“法律上”把你们这部分钱坐实落在他兜里，在技术层面、纸面上都尽可能用略微专业的属于把这个意思表述出来，而已。当然法律没那么简单，他本身毕竟不是这么说的，然后实际资金又被击穿为他掌控，就这么简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25e57c79e1ce007e1ad4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q2c8921950a9ef7c91d83","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":111,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-08T12:35:43.970Z","text":"白皮书第11页：会员可以申请用HDO兑换成法币，是否同意兑换，喜交所有完全自主决定权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c8921950a9ef7c91d83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q7899a577e824d0f190d3","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":112,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:35:51.229Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/1964936381383471287?s=46 来谈谈这个呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25e57c79e1ce007e1ad4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7899a577e824d0f190d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25e57c79e1ce007e1ad4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q077393001d2611106a77","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":113,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:36:10.934Z","text":"你有HDO的白皮书吗？给我一份，我现在没有这白皮书","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c8921950a9ef7c91d83","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q077393001d2611106a77","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c8921950a9ef7c91d83","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q09fda1973ad47f2c0b4d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":114,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:36:28.993Z","text":"当然你们两位领袖已经不在这个层面考虑问题了，各位也不用纠结。按他们话讲，他们本身承认郭的犯罪事实，但跟定罪与否无关，因为可以程序推翻。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09fda1973ad47f2c0b4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qa03b9c906c6caa5da2b7","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":115,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:37:03.226Z","text":"不是HCN的，有没有HDO的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa03b9c906c6caa5da2b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q9f4c84cab9b46d3f9ce2","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":116,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:37:07.458Z","text":"这个我有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f4c84cab9b46d3f9ce2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q708e995da2d145575bd2","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":117,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:37:29.783Z","text":"只是为什么他们明知道郭本身确实是在骗你们钱，但要力保他无罪释放，我确实没法理解。螺丝从来不正面回答这个问题，就是一句话“不在乎”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q708e995da2d145575bd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qf9bbd12f83c746c48748","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":118,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-08T12:37:32.359Z","text":"我不承认郭犯罪，是联盟农场等等犯罪，让老郭埋单而已","edited":false,"reply_to":"q09fda1973ad47f2c0b4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9bbd12f83c746c48748","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09fda1973ad47f2c0b4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q9f492d94d083d09ee15e","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":119,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-08T12:37:44.398Z","text":"看文件不能只看文件名","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f4c84cab9b46d3f9ce2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f492d94d083d09ee15e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f4c84cab9b46d3f9ce2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qa3d6a83ad8320d030f25","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":120,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-08T12:38:01.565Z","text":"这就是白皮书","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3d6a83ad8320d030f25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qe82848f83a3e61c2da10","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":121,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:38:21.983Z","text":"你如果不承认郭犯罪，那你必须研究案件细节，因为只有这样你才能知道郭到底是真的诈骗，还是被冤枉。你现在实际做的就是，不管他是不是真的骗你钱，你都要救他，这就很离谱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf9bbd12f83c746c48748","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe82848f83a3e61c2da10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9bbd12f83c746c48748","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qcfc91d5c89166cca3760","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":122,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-08T12:38:55.525Z","text":"我对细节没有兴趣!我只对结果有兴趣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe82848f83a3e61c2da10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfc91d5c89166cca3760","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe82848f83a3e61c2da10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q393932489c6a6a4b79d0","batch_id":"b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和你承认郭没犯罪 已经没有关系了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf9bbd12f83c746c48748","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd02f40e7b0beb691268a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9bbd12f83c746c48748","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3addbf3903db10aaeffe","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":130,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:43:00.046Z","text":"我今天就算开始砸郭 都不可能在这个案件弄郭了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3addbf3903db10aaeffe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3e9e92c5d4c832cbf459","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":131,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:43:01.266Z","text":"是的，这个策略确实自洽。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd02f40e7b0beb691268a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e9e92c5d4c832cbf459","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd02f40e7b0beb691268a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3c39e3014c90eb3ab30d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":132,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:44:31.385Z","text":"我建议砸郭的可以思考一下怎么在下一个案件起诉了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c39e3014c90eb3ab30d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q7a054b0b113b52957dc5","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":133,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:44:36.699Z","text":"因为实际诈骗层面再去圆，就太离谱了。我看这个群里不尽然真的全是傻子，而是苦苦抓住信念上 的稻草不愿承认这些，得靠观察者一勺一勺把每个细节喂到嘴边，然后也还是要继续coping","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a054b0b113b52957dc5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q1bf2a28b733a198d38dc","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":134,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:44:59.230Z","text":"我这是群内讨论，上庭的自诉文件肯定要基于证据去叙事","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf24615a3143a026de49a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bf2a28b733a198d38dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q27c794fb3f2ed21a2f46","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":135,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:45:35.932Z","text":"确实还是有能看到郭事实层面本质虚假的，从你们讨论的行文来看，不管嘴里承认否。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27c794fb3f2ed21a2f46","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q9bd4c86607f0b9a0cfee","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":136,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:45:51.819Z","text":"不过我支持瑞恩。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bd4c86607f0b9a0cfee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qb01be8c9ffa106509200","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":137,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:46:11.108Z","text":"现在唯一能做的，就是程序漏洞。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb01be8c9ffa106509200","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qa82064432fe88d39ac68","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":138,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:47:46.615Z","text":"思路大家都明白就是检方、Luc、盖尔甚至联盟，G系列里找\n关键是要一个合适的支点，让他们的做法误导了陪审团，或者能想办法证明检方刻意隐瞒了对被告有利的证据，不要很多点，只要一个有效的细节就可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82064432fe88d39ac68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc38867abbdc490f52078","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":139,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:48:08.948Z","text":"检方说被告鼓动线下抗议，这一点报告里提了吗？想不起来了，这也是撒谎","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd87915e6544e89020c42","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc38867abbdc490f52078","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd87915e6544e89020c42","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6b7652b3ffebdc35a7f5","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":140,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:48:12.611Z","text":"你找误导陪审团是不可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa82064432fe88d39ac68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b7652b3ffebdc35a7f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82064432fe88d39ac68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qa06094d13bb046b14648","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":141,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:48:19.326Z","text":"没提","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc38867abbdc490f52078","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa06094d13bb046b14648","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc38867abbdc490f52078","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q9f70e31ed56740a9b38a","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":142,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:48:27.930Z","text":"我感觉瑞恩不是这个意思了已经","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa82064432fe88d39ac68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f70e31ed56740a9b38a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82064432fe88d39ac68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qe076256709e3f0877c24","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":143,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:48:56.613Z","text":"是的 这个[删节：成员身份]一直钻牛角尖 非得着陪审团","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9f70e31ed56740a9b38a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe076256709e3f0877c24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f70e31ed56740a9b38a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q73b4684953ebd32faa2d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":144,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:49:12.946Z","text":"瑞恩想的是完全程序上的策略，不是案件任何细节，所谓有力证据什么的，不是这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73b4684953ebd32faa2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q2360b194df1e4d5e7023","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":145,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:49:20.233Z","text":"各位谁能找到联盟去门口抗议luc的视频？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2360b194df1e4d5e7023","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q89ba00c3054f56b65f05","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":146,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:49:48.865Z","text":"我操 你这次为何能切中要害？ 你这样搞得我有点怀疑人生啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q73b4684953ebd32faa2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89ba00c3054f56b65f05","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73b4684953ebd32faa2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q21b12781bcec78fc9a71","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":147,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:50:15.591Z","text":"嗯？我哪次不切中要害了，理解你们说的内容，我次次都明白啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q89ba00c3054f56b65f05","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21b12781bcec78fc9a71","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89ba00c3054f56b65f05","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q88dbff76ce5bf48b28e4","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":148,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:50:30.663Z","text":"只是我表达自己的东西时候，没法“切中要害”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88dbff76ce5bf48b28e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6df22058eaffdad31e9d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":149,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:50:42.277Z","text":"因为思维不一","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6df22058eaffdad31e9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qab43d11f187f4279e9bd","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":150,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:51:12.470Z","text":"这个我能理解，他可能想打一个跳出当前被动局面的，不在一个框框里来针对案件的办法。但是这个很有难度","edited":false,"reply_to":"q73b4684953ebd32faa2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab43d11f187f4279e9bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73b4684953ebd32faa2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q5c64f427af8f4c80f8ee","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":151,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:51:56.925Z","text":"这就是你们之间的分歧了，他可能会认为你这个难度更大，而且不是直击要害，结果如何不好说","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab43d11f187f4279e9bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c64f427af8f4c80f8ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab43d11f187f4279e9bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qd2bf45f1ff1f006ab292","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":152,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:52:52.959Z","text":"有你妹的难度 检方违规创下吉尼斯纪录 你去抓陪审团 那不就是和Sabrina一个德行？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab43d11f187f4279e9bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2bf45f1ff1f006ab292","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab43d11f187f4279e9bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q5f60bab6fd31265b090a","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":153,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:53:13.250Z","text":"检方一定有漏洞的，不可能天衣无缝，只是很难。他那种打法如果没有人打过，他第一个打，人家不见得就认可。除非对美国司法框架很了解","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c64f427af8f4c80f8ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f60bab6fd31265b090a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c64f427af8f4c80f8ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qb90cccf091df74803a99","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":154,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:53:29.818Z","text":"你的支点就是以要钱的名义，自诉介入，你能进攻的方向就是打检方、打luc、打盖尔、打新老诈骗联盟，检方制造受害人，诈骗的基础就不存在，无法形成完善的欺诈闭环，luc、盖尔、新老诈骗联盟共谋联动，检方缺啥材料，他们就提供啥材料。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa82064432fe88d39ac68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb90cccf091df74803a99","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82064432fe88d39ac68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q06cdacd9bc7911610d21","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":155,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:53:56.407Z","text":"你们的思路 sabrina早就打过了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06cdacd9bc7911610d21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6fc93d997ecb7021b44c","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":156,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:53:58.689Z","text":"根本不行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fc93d997ecb7021b44c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc53996c6143f51772a9d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":157,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:54:26.864Z","text":"这个我也同意，我之前也说过的，我认为现在群里、你们的同僚中恐怕认同瑞恩这个思路的，并不在多数。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f60bab6fd31265b090a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc53996c6143f51772a9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f60bab6fd31265b090a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qbbe9df5194be49181cb2","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":158,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:54:27.720Z","text":"sabrina估计想让郭先生和G系列切割，郭先生不愿意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbe9df5194be49181cb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q448a9a3d8f78871cbfb3","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":159,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T12:54:43.210Z","text":"听着过于异想天开","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q448a9a3d8f78871cbfb3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4c755db09f6c4679742a","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":160,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:55:06.593Z","text":"郭先生在法律层面和g系列没任何关系，不需要切割，因为就没有关系，怎么切割？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbe9df5194be49181cb2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c755db09f6c4679742a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbe9df5194be49181cb2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q5d0d5929f7aad2cd533f","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":161,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-08T12:55:08.107Z","text":"每次说那些g系列实体，比如喜交易所有问题，对被告有偏见的人都很兴奋。那些实体的问题越严重，就越来证明它们对投资者的诈骗越严重，对被告的栽赃陷害越严重。没什么好兴奋的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d0d5929f7aad2cd533f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q860dac5ccca1786f98fe","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":162,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:55:24.764Z","text":"郭本来就和g系列切割的 没股份没职位 何来郭不肯切割？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbe9df5194be49181cb2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q860dac5ccca1786f98fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbe9df5194be49181cb2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc59a9adf84b7474f9c9a","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":163,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:56:18.325Z","text":"郭为什么不出手 我认为是被律师搞的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc59a9adf84b7474f9c9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4d4ffccce770264d3ee4","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":164,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T12:56:23.229Z","text":"新老诈骗联盟的人，很多在g系列公司里任职，它们才有关系，要说诈骗，都是新老诈骗联盟在诈骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d4ffccce770264d3ee4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6b903c0751feb35cdf93","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":165,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:57:21.620Z","text":"检方的违规 在这个案子当中 建国以来最严重","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b903c0751feb35cdf93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q604b3a24c7512af3a47f","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":166,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:57:34.972Z","text":"你们完全都没意识到这是个什么案子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q604b3a24c7512af3a47f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qf6f72ead0ca480d1bb16","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":167,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:58:12.858Z","text":"问一下，你是不是很懂美国司法？甚至是美国法学专业的？ 我没有否定你的意思，我只是觉得你的打法对我们这种对美国司法一无所知的人来说太难","edited":false,"reply_to":"q604b3a24c7512af3a47f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6f72ead0ca480d1bb16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q604b3a24c7512af3a47f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3ca0a8b2b8532c06ab3d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":168,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:58:33.940Z","text":"完全不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6f72ead0ca480d1bb16","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ca0a8b2b8532c06ab3d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6f72ead0ca480d1bb16","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q01ee99436f6bb9892e6d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":169,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:58:55.457Z","text":"我跟螺丝哥一样 都是看法庭文件才学起来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01ee99436f6bb9892e6d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q405d2025fc102ecc05f7","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":170,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:58:56.137Z","text":"NFSC press没翻译729，是故意的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q405d2025fc102ecc05f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q0fb9dc1c7f43aec064d5","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":171,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:59:28.931Z","text":"我告诉你 你的思路 sabrina一直都是那样的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6f72ead0ca480d1bb16","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fb9dc1c7f43aec064d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6f72ead0ca480d1bb16","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc4aa159f7ed6c6ec0ec4","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":172,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:59:31.285Z","text":"没用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4aa159f7ed6c6ec0ec4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q65690117dc8986406a8b","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":173,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T12:59:42.928Z","text":"检方指控啥 你反驳 没用的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65690117dc8986406a8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q325c516edf6f821ccf31","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":174,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T12:59:49.853Z","text":"有可能的，任何异常都是有可能会有猫腻，缺了或者没翻译都留个心眼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q405d2025fc102ecc05f7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q325c516edf6f821ccf31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q405d2025fc102ecc05f7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qefc914be7f30d76737ec","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":175,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T12:59:50.740Z","text":"郭出不来，你矫情这些有用吗？抓住重点呐","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa03b9c906c6caa5da2b7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefc914be7f30d76737ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa03b9c906c6caa5da2b7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q019068ad78187c4d1862","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":176,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:00:19.031Z","text":"你去看sabrina反对s2还是s3的反驳","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q019068ad78187c4d1862","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qf2732074ee7705fdb4c6","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":177,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:00:27.010Z","text":"每一个点都反驳到点子上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2732074ee7705fdb4c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qff0a62fa64f5fb2f16af","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":178,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:00:30.806Z","text":"没用的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff0a62fa64f5fb2f16af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3adca5b524d4c4661c4d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":179,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:00:53.384Z","text":"检方那些证人更他妈搞笑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3adca5b524d4c4661c4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q945d486261dc876fa0bf","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":180,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T13:00:55.238Z","text":"在哪里，我去学习一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q019068ad78187c4d1862","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q945d486261dc876fa0bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q019068ad78187c4d1862","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q6898de4df93fba57d1c0","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":181,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:00:57.505Z","text":"结果如何呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6898de4df93fba57d1c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qb0fa555079fd6927cf89","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":182,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:01:04.057Z","text":"我也忘了哪个","edited":false,"reply_to":"q945d486261dc876fa0bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0fa555079fd6927cf89","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q945d486261dc876fa0bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q4ca83f9fb65e464df90e","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":183,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:01:23.050Z","text":"问问［用户 pz0***］  可能知道","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ca83f9fb65e464df90e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q987b6805f714b520145d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":184,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:01:49.123Z","text":"［用户 zci***］  你居然同意我的思路 这让我诚惶诚恐啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q987b6805f714b520145d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q8fb0b809ae89f4a3a42a","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":185,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:02:00.917Z","text":"你不是应该反驳 法官不会受理之类的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fb0b809ae89f4a3a42a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3e36ccdc742a30642f31","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":186,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T13:03:22.629Z","text":"其实最简单的打法就是和G系列切割，一切割，七哥肯定能全身而退的\n上次谁说的，七哥随时都能出来，然后七嫂来了把他按回去了，说到时候在监狱边上租个房，陪着他\n你们知道有这段吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e36ccdc742a30642f31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q1239b302e820d2f3c97c","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":187,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:03:40.171Z","text":"本来就是切割的 何来切割","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e36ccdc742a30642f31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1239b302e820d2f3c97c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e36ccdc742a30642f31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qe6974de4a7bd1fd0c6a1","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":188,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T13:04:21.263Z","text":"那是你的理解，陪审团和起诉书上一致都捆绑着一起来的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1239b302e820d2f3c97c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6974de4a7bd1fd0c6a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1239b302e820d2f3c97c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qe4cdd78179b219e21527","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":189,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:04:37.139Z","text":"既然都捆绑了 你怎么切割","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe6974de4a7bd1fd0c6a1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4cdd78179b219e21527","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6974de4a7bd1fd0c6a1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qa0c2af69b600d3557495","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":190,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-08T13:06:21.433Z","text":"你说这些有个卵用，你做好你能做的就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e36ccdc742a30642f31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0c2af69b600d3557495","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e36ccdc742a30642f31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qc0410cb640c40140cc13","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":191,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-08T13:06:29.670Z","text":"被破产法庭给绑着了。基于破产法庭令的证据和衍生证据被排除，就解绑了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0410cb640c40140cc13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qb71c28edf131c4721a82","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":192,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-08T13:06:56.953Z","text":"两码事。我觉得你这个思路特别自洽，跳出这个框架，直击程序，就可以无视诈骗事实与否；毕竟如果谁研究的本质上是涉及郭案细节方面的问题，那就势必涉及郭诈骗本身真伪，却说自己可以不去研究任何案情具体论证过程，这在基本逻辑上是说不过去的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q987b6805f714b520145d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb71c28edf131c4721a82","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q987b6805f714b520145d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qdcde0ace1590a4ca5456","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":193,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-08T13:07:38.226Z","text":"可能就是这个，还有债权人登记","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0410cb640c40140cc13","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcde0ace1590a4ca5456","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0410cb640c40140cc13","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q11b7c856fe9c4cecc96d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":194,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:07:47.125Z","text":"我不认为把破产法庭搞掉就能切割  因为现在定罪的证人证词  都是单独的个人 指控老郭是背后老板","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0410cb640c40140cc13","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11b7c856fe9c4cecc96d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0410cb640c40140cc13","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q8ef8e322f0d89790410c","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":195,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:08:25.778Z","text":"如果在定罪前 把破产法庭令打掉 就可以切割 但定罪后 你如果想打掉 burden更重了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ef8e322f0d89790410c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q3cf5d5f6a3ca6bed02b8","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":196,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T13:08:32.176Z","text":"你看报告了吗？看完报告你就没这么多话了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f60bab6fd31265b090a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cf5d5f6a3ca6bed02b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f60bab6fd31265b090a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qf872f2d40d6c256c5751","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":197,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:08:44.236Z","text":"他根本看不懂🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3cf5d5f6a3ca6bed02b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf872f2d40d6c256c5751","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cf5d5f6a3ca6bed02b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q2b44f4c00fb39035943f","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":198,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:09:55.607Z","text":"这个案件只有一条路解决 就是检方破吉尼斯纪录的程序违规","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b44f4c00fb39035943f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"q97f45075feae69ec055d","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":199,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-08T13:10:22.647Z","text":"其他都是隔靴搔痒没有半点卵用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97f45075feae69ec055d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"},{"id":"qcd54e76ab0d12d9828e3","batch_id":"batch-000034","seq":200,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-08T13:12:53.208Z","text":"看完报告的多少都会改变想法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc53996c6143f51772a9d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd54e76ab0d12d9828e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc53996c6143f51772a9d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000034"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000033","next_batch_id":"batch-000035"}