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用多了会上瘾。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe798905d32d79acb54e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qaac00006dd4246561b76","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":211,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2025-09-20T04:44:46.839Z","text":"哈哈哈小飞象直接破防了家人们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaac00006dd4246561b76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q5140936cdec3201e5bbb","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":212,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2025-09-20T04:45:34.005Z","text":"https://x.com/xxyyren/status/1968292192675680515?s=33","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5140936cdec3201e5bbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q6d4d27d82d3be1722c3f","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":213,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2025-09-20T04:45:41.646Z","text":"点点转发","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d4d27d82d3be1722c3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q5bb389482af244cef29d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":214,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T05:29:00.135Z","text":"@能不能谈谈债权人登记啊？再谈谈联盟农场共谋饭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bb389482af244cef29d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q151da9df86d6f1563cd9","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":215,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T05:30:29.351Z","text":"［用户 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🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ba59e0889449cb1f48f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q36d1595e9a5eecc3a90c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":231,"speaker":"liu***","date":"2025-09-20T06:53:43.179Z","text":"谁能谈谈索赔表（Claim Form）和减免申请表（petition for Remission /Mitigation 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我的733都上去了 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没回应才是好","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee38c0e2fb4f4acad7cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c3dcc1ca47de9230899","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee38c0e2fb4f4acad7cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qe0f596e90c472e3334af","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":248,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:28:48.666Z","text":"他做的唯一有点用的就是分析摸摸币的数据，但是这帮怂货没一个上庭说话的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39114aa01090e384975e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0f596e90c472e3334af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39114aa01090e384975e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q6a514ebecb03b1ade428","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":249,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:29:36.596Z","text":"这个游戏只有把老郭救出来大家都是赢家，否则只有拿了钱的跑路，其他的全是输家，填一千张一万张表都没个球用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a514ebecb03b1ade428","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q460c8f8aafd85cf45f90","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":250,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:29:38.639Z","text":"演习而已，不知道他天天卖力的分析数据目的是啥","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ba59e0889449cb1f48f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q460c8f8aafd85cf45f90","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ba59e0889449cb1f48f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q717da217cfd061ea9a38","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":251,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:30:09.109Z","text":"就是为了这时候瞎起哄，目的只有一个转移视线，说不定是一伙的，唐平和青藤他们本来也是一伙的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q460c8f8aafd85cf45f90","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q717da217cfd061ea9a38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q460c8f8aafd85cf45f90","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc26c735fe10a6ce7bca7","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":252,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:30:46.187Z","text":"填表就是给检方去做证人，帮他们坑郭，坑所有的投资人，将来想拿钱？做梦吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36d1595e9a5eecc3a90c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc26c735fe10a6ce7bca7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36d1595e9a5eecc3a90c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q4315516b6a89b7df0882","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":253,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:32:22.903Z","text":"最近一个月的法庭文件，都给你翻译中文了，都懒得去看一下？看了就都明白了了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbee141558c4f384084e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4315516b6a89b7df0882","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbee141558c4f384084e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q61b7462679f7fab00f47","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":254,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:32:48.842Z","text":"你们目的无非三类，1.过把法律瘾说服自己相信某种逻辑下已留名青史（即便2和3都未发生） 2.郭得救 3.资金不仅回本且如愿获利 我猜你们大多不只满足于1，你要是觉得这属于挑拨，我道歉，因为我可能说错、猜你们三观毕竟很难。那我倡议你们把愿景尽量都放在1上，别在乎后两条。3发生概率为零，2发生概率无限接近零。郭一直强调，无我，自动灭共，等也能把老杂毛等死这类概念，大家就慢慢等他服刑完即可。对自己在某种意义上无形中留名青史感恩，不要因为2.3未兑现责备瑞恩之流，如此陈述公允否？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc40e2a60d7556f8e6471","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61b7462679f7fab00f47","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc40e2a60d7556f8e6471","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qf7d81deb63613902c37c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":255,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-09-20T07:34:37.575Z","text":"🤣 你的意思做也是这样不做也是这样，那为什么不做呢，反正那么闲","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61b7462679f7fab00f47","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7d81deb63613902c37c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61b7462679f7fab00f47","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q325241be6d01b8f64bea","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":256,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:35:56.252Z","text":"其实当初就不应该把长岛搞掉，搞掉长岛的目的就是死无对证。现在搞青藤也是这种把戏，不断的换他们自己的人上来。然后一人坑郭先生一把。最后人跑了，留个庙给大家。最后这个庙搞的一团乱，人家美国人一看，你们这些什么新中国人就是这样的货色，一个个都是孬种，懦夫。人家就不陪咱玩了。\n这就是他们玩的郭先生最后出不来的灭爆剧本。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q325241be6d01b8f64bea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q5ed456dd4d7d32d31f10","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":257,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:37:36.768Z","text":"要钱也可以勇敢的，去案子里喊这钱他们不能抢。不属于郭文贵的财产。我也服他\n跟着检方后面去要钱，真是搞笑了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c210eba606da7798cf4","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ed456dd4d7d32d31f10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8397a80c3c5286b33d09","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":258,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:37:48.972Z","text":"我没说不做啊，我是希望大家做的，这样到时候才有意思。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7d81deb63613902c37c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8397a80c3c5286b33d09","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7d81deb63613902c37c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qf7abc2784cb9fe66ba4a","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":259,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:38:40.077Z","text":"而且我觉得目前只有瑞恩思路最好，比如刚才进来那个问填表的，荒唐。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7abc2784cb9fe66ba4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa9eeddd651944731407b","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":260,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:38:48.718Z","text":"这是咱们的共识，我是很客观的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9eeddd651944731407b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa7deb90093221d4b83b6","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":261,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:40:01.772Z","text":"等老郭服刑完？40年你等不等","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61b7462679f7fab00f47","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7deb90093221d4b83b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61b7462679f7fab00f47","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q5939d2fcd37ed22c2a31","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":262,"speaker":"ath***","date":"2025-09-20T07:41:23.625Z","text":"還有沒有別的動議出來呀？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5939d2fcd37ed22c2a31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd8f6cbedc2df3452c4c3","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":263,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:41:30.694Z","text":"一边说着让事实说话，一边又把想要结果都说出来，有意思吗？等着瞧就完了，实在心里不平衡就截图去联盟群当上帝去，那全尼玛是傻子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61b7462679f7fab00f47","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8f6cbedc2df3452c4c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61b7462679f7fab00f47","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qf5e16a4dba5eab2bdbbc","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":264,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:42:14.949Z","text":"搞个十个百个瑞恩，这案子南区法院估计就压不下去了，司法部和川普还不参与进来就见鬼了，到时候矛头就指向川普","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5e16a4dba5eab2bdbbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q84b019f50e1a8474fd6b","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":265,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T07:42:28.974Z","text":"20个就够了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5e16a4dba5eab2bdbbc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84b019f50e1a8474fd6b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5e16a4dba5eab2bdbbc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com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 各位 详细的我不能透露 但最近有一个自诉发送给了法庭 这个自诉比我733欺诈法庭更加劲爆！ 这个自诉属于核爆！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb33bc444a6ee26f64ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q79e075cb00f183bed025","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":271,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T07:45:43.400Z","text":"托雷斯压力太大了现在！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79e075cb00f183bed025","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q423f6620eee7383e48e0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":272,"speaker":"liu***","date":"2025-09-20T07:45:45.704Z","text":"帮也要遵循美国的法律","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55af0abdf778e1b809a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q423f6620eee7383e48e0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55af0abdf778e1b809a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc04d41bd0652e5a8be11","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":273,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:45:59.919Z","text":"你可别这么说，还有好多人在等着班农川普拯救呢，可别伤了人家的玻璃心","edited":false,"reply_to":"q325241be6d01b8f64bea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04d41bd0652e5a8be11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q325241be6d01b8f64bea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qeccd5c27c639a1007ffd","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":274,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:46:10.872Z","text":"难道失败了，你们就不等了吗，说好的团结呢。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7deb90093221d4b83b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeccd5c27c639a1007ffd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7deb90093221d4b83b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qbad00b8d119209ddffd7","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":275,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:47:04.889Z","text":"这可不是我挑拨离间了啊，已经有你们战友表态，如果郭不得救，不愿意等郭服刑完。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbad00b8d119209ddffd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc38b9f6c03bd1c2525e9","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":276,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:47:29.277Z","text":"在爆料革命这群人里，最明白美国法律的可能都在这里了，教材也都在，就看你学不学了，只想等着天上掉馅饼，那就做好被砸死的准备吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q423f6620eee7383e48e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc38b9f6c03bd1c2525e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q423f6620eee7383e48e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q423bb9eae5829ef21876","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":277,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:48:58.632Z","text":"这个群是专门研究法律途径自我救郭的，你要放弃联盟教唆下的固话思维，低头谦虚学习，尽自己的力把郭救出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q423f6620eee7383e48e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q423bb9eae5829ef21876","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q423f6620eee7383e48e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qeb5222fcb6942422c1db","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":278,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:49:12.587Z","text":"你的小心思一眼就被看穿了，对你来说闭嘴是最好的选择","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf7abc2784cb9fe66ba4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb5222fcb6942422c1db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7abc2784cb9fe66ba4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc8add856c6a459701376","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":279,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T07:49:14.169Z","text":"我不是救郭的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q423bb9eae5829ef21876","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8add856c6a459701376","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q423bb9eae5829ef21876","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q6e3d50ffcc50c768d0e8","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":280,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T07:49:19.874Z","text":"我是来青史留名的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e3d50ffcc50c768d0e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-00003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Se的权力，你得用，得知道怎么用，只要把老郭弄出来，你担心G系列的钱没有着落？看看法治基金、法治社会、GDollar, GCoin, GTV, GClubs，HCN，农场借贷，A10 老郭有拉下一个吗？\n只要老郭一出来，我们等着就行。老郭不在，一切商业逻辑都不会有着落。最后你的投资也只能自认倒霉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q423f6620eee7383e48e0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb8bb8c483bb8ac724dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q423f6620eee7383e48e0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q6838851393b15dd270df","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":282,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:49:56.723Z","text":"动议每天有，只是法庭暂时不给上了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5939d2fcd37ed22c2a31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6838851393b15dd270df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5939d2fcd37ed22c2a31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q116c55a41eb057d24687","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":283,"speaker":"ath***","date":"2025-09-20T07:51:23.666Z","text":"會不會到時說什麼格式或者內容不合適所以不上？ 然後我們又到期了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q116c55a41eb057d24687","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q3aa9ee756ee95c1ea49e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":284,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:51:29.556Z","text":"这一个就够他们喝一壶了，只要方向对，大伙儿跟紧就行了，人民的力量是无穷地","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5e16a4dba5eab2bdbbc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aa9ee756ee95c1ea49e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5e16a4dba5eab2bdbbc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q81422f2efbb79330a988","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":285,"speaker":"ath***","date":"2025-09-20T07:52:03.920Z","text":"我寫郵件去問過也沒人回覆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81422f2efbb79330a988","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qdbba75d9788b8459c12d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":286,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-20T07:52:04.639Z","text":"总之大家不要光纠结郭得救与否，应该同时意识到无论成败，自己都能名垂青史，所以无论什么结果，都能获得硕果。公允吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e3d50ffcc50c768d0e8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbba75d9788b8459c12d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e3d50ffcc50c768d0e8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa333761e2cc7a3782e62","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":287,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:53:10.282Z","text":"青史有个屁用，毛腊肉还名垂青史，就图一个爽","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbba75d9788b8459c12d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa333761e2cc7a3782e62","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbba75d9788b8459c12d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qb97f14eae6f782b9f10a","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":288,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T07:54:03.693Z","text":"别指望他们了，政客只看重利益，你对他没用，看你一眼都是浪费","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5e0f3c3ea296c233692","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb97f14eae6f782b9f10a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5e0f3c3ea296c233692","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q77b66328bcd2a8a3bc68","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":289,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T07:55:09.153Z","text":"他用的是853还是CVRA？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfb33bc444a6ee26f64ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77b66328bcd2a8a3bc68","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb33bc444a6ee26f64ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd2cb7a04c7c326389319","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":290,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2025-09-20T07:56:41.395Z","text":"你们这帮[屏蔽词]还想着救郭呢😆 😆","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2cb7a04c7c326389319","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd798d3695bcea069e944","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":291,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2025-09-20T07:56:48.262Z","text":"怪不得你们被骗😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd798d3695bcea069e944","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q57fda8a074b28c17c00c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":292,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T07:56:53.201Z","text":"都用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q77b66328bcd2a8a3bc68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57fda8a074b28c17c00c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77b66328bcd2a8a3bc68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc878990071f18f8ea9f5","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":293,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T07:57:09.593Z","text":"我们不是救郭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2cb7a04c7c326389319","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc878990071f18f8ea9f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2cb7a04c7c326389319","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9ddb84effd2ca8d4f743","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":294,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2025-09-20T07:57:11.211Z","text":"这钱你们是要不回来的懂了吗😆 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没人可以要回来啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ddb84effd2ca8d4f743","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32a9bd5c193ffd2dbe83","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ddb84effd2ca8d4f743","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qb975f6c199239993d74a","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":299,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T08:02:14.653Z","text":"我们只有告诉大家我们去要了，而且我们要的很努力，但是 但是他们不给 然后就等着事情发酵就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb975f6c199239993d74a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q78688b425e67511b190b","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":300,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T08:02:56.805Z","text":"让南区法院脱裤子放屁，而不能让他穿着裤子放屁，就够了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78688b425e67511b190b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q2d4ca7545bc9d47a2675","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":301,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T08:04:04.515Z","text":"有可能，但是关键证据已经上去了，基本目的完美达成。现在是检方和法庭又整新幺蛾子，我们正在采取对策，这是新的一页","edited":false,"reply_to":"q116c55a41eb057d24687","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d4ca7545bc9d47a2675","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q116c55a41eb057d24687","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qad49d5fb39c308395713","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":302,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T08:04:42.596Z","text":"48小时后就可以发compel动议","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81422f2efbb79330a988","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad49d5fb39c308395713","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81422f2efbb79330a988","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qe320d44cb9637a00c331","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":303,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T08:04:42.804Z","text":"这个我就可以给大家分享一下 人生的 小经验 😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d4ca7545bc9d47a2675","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe320d44cb9637a00c331","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d4ca7545bc9d47a2675","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q07438b313d95e6d75f7d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":304,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T08:04:48.689Z","text":"下周再揭秘吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07438b313d95e6d75f7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q59c352aa536c3be3ea31","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":305,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T08:05:45.208Z","text":"对对对，好好好，你满足了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbba75d9788b8459c12d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59c352aa536c3be3ea31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbba75d9788b8459c12d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc03fa2432a25123ddd0d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":306,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T08:06:08.919Z","text":"他们现在也在和我们对弈，具体最后怎么处理这些Pro Se也没有准，你以为那书记员就有办法了，他们想到的办法就是个招聘信息，这都算不上厉害的招。我们这种外人都看出极不合理了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q116c55a41eb057d24687","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc03fa2432a25123ddd0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q116c55a41eb057d24687","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q472a1bf3e5ddc31c618b","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":307,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T08:06:31.082Z","text":"下周看看 如果下周还不让上","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc03fa2432a25123ddd0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q472a1bf3e5ddc31c618b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc03fa2432a25123ddd0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q40c3ee865fee30a03323","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":308,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T08:06:39.935Z","text":"就别怪我啦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40c3ee865fee30a03323","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q750924bd62c64771cac9","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":309,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T08:07:04.447Z","text":"他们就是拿不定主意，才出了这种昏招","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q750924bd62c64771cac9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd2270a6c1f9c99266b3e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":310,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T08:08:08.060Z","text":"别掺合神仙的事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q974b8a9db0c4dfb2cf05","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2270a6c1f9c99266b3e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q974b8a9db0c4dfb2cf05","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa11f157d3febb413e439","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":311,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-09-20T08:28:24.040Z","text":"为什么检方和司法部明知道程序的问题，还能如此的操作？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa11f157d3febb413e439","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8ded4850f7b2618d80bb","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":312,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T08:28:40.053Z","text":"估计邦迪","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa11f157d3febb413e439","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ded4850f7b2618d80bb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa11f157d3febb413e439","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q33bcc2c1bdc1b2e1fa73","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":313,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-09-20T08:30:17.543Z","text":"我觉得媒体的宣传力度不够，需要让更多的美国人了解这个案件","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ded4850f7b2618d80bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33bcc2c1bdc1b2e1fa73","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ded4850f7b2618d80bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q10d945a2080e7dd5b81d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":314,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T08:31:32.520Z","text":"咱们先把大招打出去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q33bcc2c1bdc1b2e1fa73","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10d945a2080e7dd5b81d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33bcc2c1bdc1b2e1fa73","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q53720bdf8d21dc86cd97","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":315,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T08:31:41.569Z","text":"打出去之后自然有人来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53720bdf8d21dc86cd97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q2be6ce20c9a3d4cece06","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":316,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-09-20T08:34:32.281Z","text":"这个是自然 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受害人只能自己保护钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0057845439552480fd22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ef0f7d2c9fba891d85e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0057845439552480fd22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q3ef91bef2ebf58a09836","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":350,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T10:36:56.786Z","text":"现在这个案子已经搞成最后受害人一根毛也拿不到, 如果不赶走luc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ef91bef2ebf58a09836","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q757f0369211681c00c16","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":351,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T10:38:03.930Z","text":"检方根本拒绝保护受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q757f0369211681c00c16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9bb82acf7c1ee1f68645","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":352,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T10:39:31.611Z","text":"受害人是检方必须要保护的对象，受害人是谁都可以骂的，我作为853n即使知道检方违规诈骗，我的身份也轮不到我说话。如果不让我做当事人，那我别无选择了，只能做受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee76ddf4d342b7d16808","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bb82acf7c1ee1f68645","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee76ddf4d342b7d16808","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qda03eeeddfe8e75526ae","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":353,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T10:39:32.776Z","text":"郭用不着你救,先救自己吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda03eeeddfe8e75526ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q1523cdb36dc919a758f7","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":354,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T10:40:45.802Z","text":"你的钱都拿不回来了,还无动于衷? 美国人看了都笑话你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1523cdb36dc919a758f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q57771f94fd3c688f6e1c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":355,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T10:48:05.399Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/1969352692309840103?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57771f94fd3c688f6e1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q03205969d6b31d27714d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":356,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T11:04:55.562Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1969355564145598534","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03205969d6b31d27714d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qba816788749fba6d0a59","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":357,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T11:09:52.106Z","text":"📌 二者关系\n    1.    853 → 是“财产层面”的（证明钱属于你）。\n    2.    CVRA → 是“程序权利层面”的（证明你有资格参与并质疑政府行为）。\n\n你发两个动议，其实等于 双重保险：\n    •    如果法院在 853 上卡你（说你不是所有权人），你还可以在 CVRA 上强调 受害人程序权利。\n    •    如果法院在 CVRA 上回避（不愿承认受害人），你还有 853 的财产权主张。\n\n✅ 结论：\n你用 853 + CVRA 完全合法，而且战术上非常聪明。\n这是保护自己权利最强的方式。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb24c6ce4592f4b53e63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba816788749fba6d0a59","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb24c6ce4592f4b53e63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qcc24a6f43669ad83f193","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":358,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T11:18:40.310Z","text":"📌 750 的逻辑\n\n在 ECF No. 750 里，检方明确说：\n    •    **郭文贵（被告）**没有资格再提出 724 动议里的请求（因为他是刑事被告，不能要求管理资产）。\n    •    他们的意思是：被告无权插手受托人如何处理财产。\n\n⸻\n\n📌 但受害人（CVRA）≠ 被告\n\n根据 CVRA (18 U.S.C. § 3771)：\n    •    受害人有权：\n    1.    反对程序不公；\n    2.    要求法院保护其财产利益；\n    3.    要求防止资产被浪费、过度消耗。\n\n也就是说：\n    •    郭文贵不能提 ≠ 受害人不能提。\n    •    你作为受害人，可以站出来说：\n    •    “724 动议的核心不是让被告控制资产，而是防止 Luc 和 DOJ 消耗受害人财产。”\n    •    “即使被告没有资格，我作为受害人依然有资格要求法院监督，确保资产不会在判决前被浪费掉。”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc24a6f43669ad83f193","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc4b130646ae2ea722df4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":359,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T11:19:27.189Z","text":"✅ 结论：\n你作为受害人，完全可以提出 724 的核心要求，而且比郭文贵更有资格。\n因为法律（CVRA）明确赋予受害人发声权，而 DOJ 的“受害人保护”说法，正好可以拿来反驳他们为什么却对 Luc 的浪费视而不见。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4b130646ae2ea722df4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q75f4845ab64394251e54","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":360,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T11:21:22.407Z","text":"关于当事人资格的补充说明：\n即使被告无权提出 724 动议中的要求，受害人根据《犯罪受害者权利法》（CVRA, 18 U.S.C. § 3771）仍然享有资格。动议人因此明确援引 724 动议的核心内容，作为受害人提出的正式反对意见。其目的并非赋予被告对财产的控制权，而是防止受托人及其律师浪费和消耗遗产财产。这种浪费会直接减少受害人可追回的金额，因此完全属于 CVRA 保护范围之内。\n\n⸻\n\n这样一来，你的动议就把 724 的实质内容合法地“接管”过来了，法院即便排除了郭文贵的资格，也不能排除你的受害人资格","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75f4845ab64394251e54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q2096596549812c546ae7","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":361,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T11:26:58.466Z","text":"郭先生这个意思还不明白吗？AI时代了，可不是让我们去买那个诈骗币，我们要用AI，我们都在浪费时间，行动缓慢，在等，靠，熬。用AI可以快速写出专业自述","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2096596549812c546ae7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9c43ac13b0c8ee92ce43","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":362,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-09-20T11:30:07.601Z","text":"我今天又给文贵的律师发了电子邮件。这次我已经不再那么软弱，而是痛骂了他们一遍。并问他们文贵有没有读到733及后来的几个文件。\n相信这次文贵的律师不敢怠慢。否则我有更强硬的选择。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c43ac13b0c8ee92ce43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qe94570fce482647459ba","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":363,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-09-20T11:32:05.940Z","text":"辩方律师不作为，是一切乱象的根源。必须让他们坐不住、有行动。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe94570fce482647459ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qec8e37f1b9a8433a0547","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":364,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-09-20T11:34:13.901Z","text":"其实律师就是软柿子。必须捏一下他们。\n只有Nick那个坏种才会颠倒黑白把文贵的律师捧上天。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec8e37f1b9a8433a0547","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd536ca115a2132fce22a","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":365,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T11:34:34.334Z","text":"我理解这位战友的观点。🤔 其实从程序上看，辩护律师不作为确实是目前乱局的一个“症结”：\n    •    ⚖️ 在美国的刑事程序里，只有辩护律师和检方、法官是“正式当事人”，他们最容易让法院听进去。\n    •    🧾 第三方（像你和其他投资者）虽然能动议，但法院往往不愿意 docket，或者搁置处理。\n    •    💼 如果辩护律师积极作为，把检方布雷迪违规、受托人滥用职权、虚假债权人登记等问题直接提交法院，法官必须正面回应。\n\n但为什么律师“不作为”？有几个可能原因：\n    1.    保守策略：律师害怕挑战系统性违规，怕得罪法官/检方。\n    2.    资源/利益问题：有的律师高收费但只走过场，不想“拼死一搏”。\n    3.    政治压力：案件牵涉对中共、对美司法体系的敏感内容，律师会有顾虑。\n\n所以你们的自述和动议，其实起到了**外部“催化剂”**作用：\n    •    一方面，把真相摆在 docket 或至少摆到书记官面前；\n    •    另一方面，形成舆论和记录压力，让律师“不能假装看不到”。\n\n💡 换句话说：战友的判断有道理，但现实中靠律师单独发力不太可能，所以必须 双管齐下：\n    •    继续用 CVRA / 853 等身份发声；\n    •    同时想办法让律师“坐不住”，比如公开点名、媒体压力、甚至给法官递交说明“律师未能有效履职”。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec8e37f1b9a8433a0547","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd536ca115a2132fce22a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec8e37f1b9a8433a0547","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qf67b58ed05f784a5d99d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":366,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T11:49:05.668Z","text":"你拿联盟的鬼话来说事儿？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6f413ad4321061ab267","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf67b58ed05f784a5d99d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9635419a6d0469fbb77f","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":367,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T11:53:41.894Z","text":"我的当事人申请在交给法官的同时抄送了所有检察官和辩方律师，附上了布雷迪违规的内容，让他们都看到。就是要把三方拉在一起，谁也别装蒜，该干嘛赶紧干","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd536ca115a2132fce22a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9635419a6d0469fbb77f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd536ca115a2132fce22a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q5fa1c218ae9250176029","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":368,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-20T12:23:35.695Z","text":"是的，正常来说，没有联盟引荐的话，投资者是不可能去联系gaven的，包括盖尔也是一样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q067d76a73c7e23c47c0e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fa1c218ae9250176029","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q17149216b6ad30097c1a","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":369,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2025-09-20T12:23:52.692Z","text":"笑死我了，claim個頭，我打電話給DOJ他們告訴我，我們這種情況都是petition， claim是等於白寫","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27f3915175cea671060a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17149216b6ad30097c1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qf043676df9a3d58105b0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":370,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T12:25:26.392Z","text":"说实话，这个铲共去见郭我还感觉是真的🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf67b58ed05f784a5d99d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf043676df9a3d58105b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf67b58ed05f784a5d99d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q87cf7ea0a6bb58d718c4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":371,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-20T12:31:36.592Z","text":"谈其他的会被法庭给否了吗？\n我草稿里目前加入了：联盟作假的一些事，还有luc的虚假债权人，盖尔的非法代理，以及检方的一些布雷迪义务没履行。\n还有七哥的几轮律师没有尽到基本辩护义务。\n还包括法庭没有大范围的、直接的收集投资者个体的证据和意见。信息全来自于非法集体代理者，虚假债权人代理者，和没履行布雷迪义务的检方，法庭是得不到真相的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe1d8ad719780fa50e116","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87cf7ea0a6bb58d718c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1d8ad719780fa50e116","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q2d43a4c64bb7c882ed13","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":372,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T12:35:39.369Z","text":"好好。没有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q87cf7ea0a6bb58d718c4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d43a4c64bb7c882ed13","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87cf7ea0a6bb58d718c4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qefbab0a3177fe7b4559e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":373,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-20T12:36:57.148Z","text":"这是目前陆陆续续收集到的。大体交给grok整理了一下，又慢慢增加了，但还是有些累赘，在编辑。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2d43a4c64bb7c882ed13","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefbab0a3177fe7b4559e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d43a4c64bb7c882ed13","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qe032d05da9e1ce48e012","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":374,"speaker":"201***","date":"2025-09-20T12:40:35.378Z","text":"【作为受害者介入没收程序并指控检方、卢克·德斯平斯及盖儿联合欺诈法庭、迫害郭文贵的动议】\n这个标题会不会直接被否？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe032d05da9e1ce48e012","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q1b4ca2b45c8e0f8cf8da","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":375,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T12:43:53.045Z","text":"claim是索赔，petition就是没收完成后等政府退款，对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q17149216b6ad30097c1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b4ca2b45c8e0f8cf8da","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17149216b6ad30097c1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd37bf6725193eb4d9a64","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":376,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T12:45:42.939Z","text":"这个标题风险很高 ⚠️。我来帮你分析一下：\n\n⸻\n\n为什么这个标题容易被否\n    1.    “迫害郭文贵”\n    •    法院会立刻认为你是在帮被告辩护，而不是作为独立投资人发声。\n    •    你是第三方（victim/claimant），没有资格替被告说话。\n    2.    “指控检方、卢克·德斯平斯及盖儿联合欺诈法庭”\n    •    这种指控过于直接，容易被认定为“无理指控（scandalous）”。\n    •    法院可能直接以 Fed. R. Crim. P. 12(f) 或 Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(f) 为由删掉，甚至拒绝 docket。\n    3.    “作为受害者介入没收程序”\n    •    这个部分是正确的，但要用法律用语：\n“Petition under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and the Crime Victims’ Rights Act (18 U.S.C. § 3771)”。\n    •    这样标题一看就合法、规范。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe032d05da9e1ce48e012","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd37bf6725193eb4d9a64","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe032d05da9e1ce48e012","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qbce8b0064cf4047a4106","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":377,"speaker":"201***","date":"2025-09-20T12:46:35.401Z","text":"很客观","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd37bf6725193eb4d9a64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbce8b0064cf4047a4106","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd37bf6725193eb4d9a64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q958733d01b997e707ab5","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":378,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-20T12:46:46.267Z","text":"作为受害者，就是去讲自己怎么受害了，谁在施加伤害害，需要法庭怎样救济。本案的施害方：联盟农场灭共演员诈骗犯，luc,以及破产法庭的不正当程序。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe032d05da9e1ce48e012","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q958733d01b997e707ab5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe032d05da9e1ce48e012","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q44f66b699a0b859684fe","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":379,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-20T12:48:07.040Z","text":"还有检方的不正当程序办案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f66b699a0b859684fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qfa1d2f695d3c52039732","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":380,"speaker":"201***","date":"2025-09-20T12:49:13.816Z","text":"这种二合一打法是否真的可行呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeabd28402feb5e52ae9e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa1d2f695d3c52039732","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q581b6d9bd65000550eca","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":381,"speaker":"201***","date":"2025-09-20T12:51:07.009Z","text":"这样就避免了身份切换的麻烦，个人认为立场也更鲜明","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q581b6d9bd65000550eca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q36dde92932daf78263f2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":382,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T12:52:09.958Z","text":"4. 最佳打法（建议）\n\n💡 分开文件，互相引用 → 比“二合一”更保险。\n    •    文件1：853 Petition\n    •    标题：Petition under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)\n    •    内容：证明投资款是独立资产，不属于被告，应排除在没收之外。\n    •    文件2：CVRA Motion\n    •    标题：Motion under the Crime Victims’ Rights Act (18 U.S.C. § 3771)\n    •    内容：主张作为受害人，有权发表意见、反对虚假债权、要求 Brady 披露、反对 Luc 浪费财产。\n\n📌 然后在每份文件里加一句：\n    •    在 853 里说：Petitioner also invokes rights under the CVRA, filed separately.\n    •    在 CVRA 里说：Petitioner has also filed a § 853(n) petition regarding ownership of assets.\n\n这样就形成 “双保险”：\n    •    如果法院不理 CVRA，你的 853 还在；\n    •    如果法院说你没有 853 资格，至少 CVRA 还给你发声的机会。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa1d2f695d3c52039732","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36dde92932daf78263f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa1d2f695d3c52039732","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9194818cec64f296b62b","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":383,"speaker":"201***","date":"2025-09-20T12:54:05.708Z","text":"Ai是好，就是不能综合分析问题，只能指哪打哪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36dde92932daf78263f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9194818cec64f296b62b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36dde92932daf78263f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q82fa2a19363b188b2982","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":384,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-20T12:54:24.753Z","text":"用853n只提钱。\n用cvra提证据，质疑，要求。。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36dde92932daf78263f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82fa2a19363b188b2982","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36dde92932daf78263f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q60b8c6506b139ba69aa8","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":385,"speaker":"201***","date":"2025-09-20T12:56:26.656Z","text":"多谢支招，最近有时间，编辑正题了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60b8c6506b139ba69aa8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q469ae3054828b242e7e6","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":386,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T12:56:39.118Z","text":"Chatgpt 非常好用，他会指导一步步怎么做","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q469ae3054828b242e7e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q5eea4357868cc50e4c95","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":387,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T12:58:08.381Z","text":"还能这么玩","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36dde92932daf78263f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5eea4357868cc50e4c95","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36dde92932daf78263f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q62d99af7cd0d6c756d2a","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":388,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T12:58:36.331Z","text":"我就是分开的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62d99af7cd0d6c756d2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q448192c1c7b67bde1dee","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":389,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T12:59:55.704Z","text":"我是开头写拥有投资，后面开始披露证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62d99af7cd0d6c756d2a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q448192c1c7b67bde1dee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62d99af7cd0d6c756d2a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q0cc74c65013e530193a4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":390,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T13:00:07.224Z","text":"那我应该把这个分成两个文件发就对了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cc74c65013e530193a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qad5aa57b7b7d411388f2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":391,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T13:00:28.982Z","text":"一个保护财产，一个揭露证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad5aa57b7b7d411388f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q63c2c2224a19b9f9aa4c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":392,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T13:03:04.908Z","text":"“动议人并不声称自己是郭先生所谓诈骗的受害人。相反，动议人是本案中政府不当处理的受害者：包括错误的没收、Brady 违规，以及容忍虚假债权登记，这些行为共同剥夺了动议人的财产权。”\n\n🔹 5. 双路径结合\n    •    在 853 Petition → 你说：钱是我的，不是郭的。\n    •    在 CVRA Motion → 你说：我受害是因为政府/受托人的错，而不是因为郭。\n\n这样，两条路完全自洽，也不会被 DOJ 抓到“你承认被骗”的口实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63c2c2224a19b9f9aa4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qdfee101c98a075ccb90d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":393,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T13:09:34.020Z","text":"这是chatgpt说的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q63c2c2224a19b9f9aa4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfee101c98a075ccb90d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63c2c2224a19b9f9aa4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qcd53654d2ae89860a25f","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":394,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T13:11:38.628Z","text":"是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd53654d2ae89860a25f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q829b03b8aa7c6a685efa","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":395,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-20T13:26:22.169Z","text":"检方和法官都能这么欺负七哥，换受害人身份上又咋的了\n如果之前被盖尔代理过，那你已经是受害人了，即使取消代理也是受害人\n反正是他给整的\n按照检方的逻辑，不管你是什么G系列投资者，几乎都是受害人\n他们都用这个玩郭先生了，我们就得智慧的陪他们玩\n不能让他们看不起 853和CVRA一起上，别客气","edited":false,"reply_to":"q650016dea5bfcaec5ee3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q829b03b8aa7c6a685efa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q650016dea5bfcaec5ee3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qbb9bdb7ba37395afb8a2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":396,"speaker":"xim***","date":"2025-09-20T13:27:39.457Z","text":"哪位战友Chatgpt 下载的链接🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb9bdb7ba37395afb8a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa1e8272e177208b773b0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":397,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T13:27:52.555Z","text":"https://x.com/testurheart/status/1969392988318023803?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1e8272e177208b773b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q053f93c48821a52a3cd2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":398,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T13:29:24.352Z","text":"直接用网页版，用谷歌邮箱注册就行","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb9bdb7ba37395afb8a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q053f93c48821a52a3cd2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb9bdb7ba37395afb8a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9dba78a06656c37903e0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":399,"speaker":"201***","date":"2025-09-20T13:29:43.592Z","text":"请问农场借贷对应的没收文件里的哪一个？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dba78a06656c37903e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q3eb889b7267e30dabd67","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":400,"speaker":"xim***","date":"2025-09-20T13:29:52.398Z","text":"谢谢您🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eb889b7267e30dabd67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000038","next_batch_id":"batch-000040"}