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虚假陈述","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbe901110c27cef1f4b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1fa1005b7343b1ef856","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbe901110c27cef1f4b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q179548e588d3c9989216","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":608,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:27:52.714Z","text":"又是一张嘴一堆的结论，都一个操行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q179548e588d3c9989216","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q3bc0dc014f633ea2b351","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":609,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:28:11.649Z","text":"你一条一条的解释解释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bc0dc014f633ea2b351","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qbc668ff4e786022d1263","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":610,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:28:46.256Z","text":"代理上面沒有重大紕漏，那你非要說他沒告SEC欺詐了你，問題是跟本案無關啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc668ff4e786022d1263","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q1d2303104a7cf60cbce0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":611,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:28:59.317Z","text":"本案他就是基本忠實代理了你","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d2303104a7cf60cbce0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qf67cdc3af18cb292da38","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":612,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:29:02.299Z","text":"跟本案无关 那是不是诈骗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc668ff4e786022d1263","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf67cdc3af18cb292da38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc668ff4e786022d1263","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qb5a5dab0d27c8df694d0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":613,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:29:10.725Z","text":"怎么没有纰漏了？跑到刑事案去要钱，这还不算纰漏吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5a5dab0d27c8df694d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qe3e74c60c13aa07216b0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":614,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:29:11.259Z","text":"诈骗 还管你跟本案有没有关？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3e74c60c13aa07216b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9dd0af83fa1b76e87cdd","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":615,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:29:20.154Z","text":"他应该立案起诉司法部啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dd0af83fa1b76e87cdd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd76d8ff3b45d631b8377","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":616,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:29:29.169Z","text":"跑郭案上干嘛去了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd76d8ff3b45d631b8377","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q15ae3955889221a07451","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":617,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:29:38.582Z","text":"盖儿就是一个诈骗犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15ae3955889221a07451","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qe31cde06474d3a6bd7b0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":618,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:30:11.881Z","text":"他代理没问题，为什么喜交所也来要钱了？那盖尔算啥？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe31cde06474d3a6bd7b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q98c3b8e1cba4f04370b2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":619,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:30:31.011Z","text":"喜交所是骗子？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98c3b8e1cba4f04370b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9a24a2f7302d828b8219","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":620,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:31:06.498Z","text":"兩件事：他代理你是關於王燕平初步沒收令的事情。\n他說起訴SEC在代理範圍內嗎？這是另一件事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a24a2f7302d828b8219","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc7d3e5fd3b0c9e57c8e0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":621,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:31:28.807Z","text":"第二件事诈骗了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a24a2f7302d828b8219","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7d3e5fd3b0c9e57c8e0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a24a2f7302d828b8219","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q7f7c430b93caf7891367","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":622,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:31:34.297Z","text":"所以他就是诈骗犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f7c430b93caf7891367","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q4e9207e960e315f5c7d8","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":623,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:31:40.775Z","text":"没有所谓的第一件事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e9207e960e315f5c7d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q719025a4007f1bdb7bea","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":624,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:31:59.053Z","text":"诈骗犯就是诈骗犯 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你他妈现在又变成小羊理论了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a90662d1c60fff1ff2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q488c3f20d7983b23267d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":629,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:32:39.380Z","text":"不要沒理由亂找理由打Geyer","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q488c3f20d7983b23267d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8bb65aafa0170c5be4d4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":630,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:32:50.601Z","text":"盖尔就是诈骗犯","edited":false,"reply_to":"q488c3f20d7983b23267d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bb65aafa0170c5be4d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q488c3f20d7983b23267d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q11fa950d2d2e60ca892e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":631,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:33:10.561Z","text":"没人请他来，是联盟推荐来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11fa950d2d2e60ca892e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa8b294c2ff748f6c270d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":632,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:33:13.542Z","text":"螺丝哥动议说的很清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8b294c2ff748f6c270d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8fb7275cdb7505829baa","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":633,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:34:10.376Z","text":"Geyer代理6700要求排除喜交所投資，這沒問題，而且對檢方和Luc絕對是個打擊。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fb7275cdb7505829baa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q40a6f774f04a9075c6e5","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":634,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:35:14.828Z","text":"回答我的问题 ［用户 an7***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe31cde06474d3a6bd7b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40a6f774f04a9075c6e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe31cde06474d3a6bd7b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q40e81691e48e84fb046e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":635,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:35:21.139Z","text":"恢復喜交所運營、確認喜交所投資的合法加密貨幣地位，這你們也反對？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40e81691e48e84fb046e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q2f6f1ef727e6322c6df8","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":636,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:35:45.907Z","text":"沒記錯的話，之前被告知Geyer還是Gavenman其中之一本來就是喜交所律師（這個可以再驗證）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f6f1ef727e6322c6df8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q39c620d2391f06a780f9","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":637,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:36:18.820Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 查一下盖尔 gavenman 有什么关系","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2f6f1ef727e6322c6df8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39c620d2391f06a780f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f6f1ef727e6322c6df8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc9e876abef1d6a9c28c2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":638,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T16:36:31.957Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 这里面肯定有我们不知道的秘密","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9e876abef1d6a9c28c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q629ca49c680a988100ed","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":639,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:36:36.731Z","text":"喜交所和客戶又不是對立的，為什麼不能同時代理？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q629ca49c680a988100ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc77aef0ddad37ef88681","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":640,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:36:57.843Z","text":"你没看喜交所的邮件吗？盖尔是完全独立的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f6f1ef727e6322c6df8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc77aef0ddad37ef88681","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f6f1ef727e6322c6df8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8d23f30b386b02e4b8d6","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":641,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:37:19.956Z","text":"一个完全独立的律师，联盟也推荐，喜交所也推荐，真有意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d23f30b386b02e4b8d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q25b7e41b75204d5242d4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":642,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:37:40.106Z","text":"兩個律師其中一個是喜交所律師，我不記得哪個了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25b7e41b75204d5242d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q864d3abf117646ed5f60","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":643,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:38:30.409Z","text":"推薦違法嗎？不要想當然好嗎？人云亦云","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q864d3abf117646ed5f60","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qe854a9cb19fc240fc083","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":644,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:39:11.392Z","text":"6千人分布在全世界，怎么都去找盖尔了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe854a9cb19fc240fc083","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q41a9f7a78018d7ee5bf5","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":645,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:39:26.745Z","text":"推薦的唄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41a9f7a78018d7ee5bf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q00e80095527aa491446d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":646,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T16:39:29.765Z","text":"违不违法法庭裁定呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00e80095527aa491446d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc00cfffe4e9fc5849148","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":647,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:39:33.580Z","text":"为什么推荐呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc00cfffe4e9fc5849148","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qda082c4f8083761f524a","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":648,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T16:39:53.891Z","text":"你说不违法也不算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda082c4f8083761f524a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q62103e7b1a3307cab29c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":649,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:40:00.061Z","text":"为什么推荐的这人一来就这么多事儿呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62103e7b1a3307cab29c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q1fcac273b0017f7085b4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":650,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:40:07.790Z","text":"為你好唄，一起上去表達非受害人的主張","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/m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hua***］  ［用户 sin***］ 两位高手，至今都没有出手，人家沉得住气","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44664210a1cc8b8d9c32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q2f69cb1ca4f577ccf1d1","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":656,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T16:45:56.554Z","text":"講點邏輯吧，跟螺絲哥學學。這裡有誰喜歡亂扣帽子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f69cb1ca4f577ccf1d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qcc597224a3eea8726f6e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":657,"speaker":"aiz***","date":"2025-09-20T16:47:33.138Z","text":"https://x.com/azyt/status/1969418835175620627?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc597224a3eea8726f6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q29e69bf8c637b8fb92c2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":658,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T16:47:57.501Z","text":"让他去法庭起诉去，天天窝里横有个屁用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcc597224a3eea8726f6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29e69bf8c637b8fb92c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc597224a3eea8726f6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q90b15f97e2e7f2117e15","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":659,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T17:04:37.581Z","text":"债权人委员会都干过啥坏事儿，谁知道？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90b15f97e2e7f2117e15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q98593ceb33a01fdfe10c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":660,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T17:06:03.285Z","text":"盖尔代理的6700人，自己去要钱是合法的，但是，联盟农场组织推动的，共谋犯组织推动的，就是涉嫌严重的违法！哪怕黄河边组织这些人也合法，共谋犯没有资格组织受害者要钱！换句话说，既然6700人的意思就是盖尔的意思，为什么不自己来要钱，而是通过盖尔来要钱!","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f69cb1ca4f577ccf1d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98593ceb33a01fdfe10c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f69cb1ca4f577ccf1d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q24b6a84eef770f79da4d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":661,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T17:08:21.183Z","text":"一个正常诈骗案，你可以自己找律师或者自诉来要钱。或者受害者集中在某个地方，可以形成集体诉讼。郭案，受害者分布全世界各地，没有联盟农场共谋饭的操控，绝对不可能形成集体代理！盖尔也好，Gavenman也好，背后全部涉嫌共谋！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24b6a84eef770f79da4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8e99350d10fe99c8c274","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":662,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T17:09:27.079Z","text":"6700人，和那110多人，想要合法要钱，就自己来要！和共谋犯搞一起去，就是违法犯罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e99350d10fe99c8c274","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q95b0835ceecb249c9baa","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":663,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T17:19:44.678Z","text":"作为独立的受害者，我会指控，盖尔涉嫌共谋，6700人同样涉嫌共谋，我是合法的受害者，那6700人，没有资格抢我的钱。我已经被被告和共谋犯诈骗了一次，共谋犯再到法庭二次抢我的钱，检方眼珠子瞎了，这个案件，真TM的荒谬","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f69cb1ca4f577ccf1d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95b0835ceecb249c9baa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f69cb1ca4f577ccf1d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qb98cb0f6c292df5045c2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":664,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-09-20T17:22:40.019Z","text":"瞎几把扯，青藤的问题是 做受害人     又做受害人代表 骗你们钱，这是干扰司法 严重违法   文永 这个智障","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcc597224a3eea8726f6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb98cb0f6c292df5045c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc597224a3eea8726f6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q3bdad8897c1ebb265dbd","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":665,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-20T17:25:58.214Z","text":"这个[屏蔽词]的话风很像龚大郎🤔","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bdad8897c1ebb265dbd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8ee396235a647a719e4d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":666,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T17:32:30.969Z","text":"也许就是大郎的小号","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b5359c3736943977ca3","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ee396235a647a719e4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa5e5e6a7a39fed01aaef","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":667,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-20T17:39:49.623Z","text":"［用户 an7***］  你这杂种自己不填表，忽悠其他7000多人去填表，真是个下贱的烂蛆！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5e5e6a7a39fed01aaef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd2c5a62ae2a7c3c09301","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":668,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-20T17:40:53.057Z","text":"［用户 an7***］  你这杂种忽悠的都是几乎不在美国境内的人去填表，赌的就是他们没法上法庭开口说话，现在知道害怕了？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2c5a62ae2a7c3c09301","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8f4486f69d14578238d2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":669,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-20T17:46:15.780Z","text":"https://x.com/MichelleW8712/status/1969429279709807106","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f4486f69d14578238d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd2a816293671010df6b5","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":670,"speaker":"rim***","date":"2025-09-20T17:46:28.511Z","text":"诈骗联盟开始攻击创可贴了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2a816293671010df6b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd81e328b9eba4efd1222","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":671,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T18:15:03.030Z","text":"邦迪先下手了，司法这块还是水滴不进","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd81e328b9eba4efd1222","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q38f918aa49973107eca1","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":672,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:19:56.099Z","text":"如果：\n    •    这 7,000+ 人的立场被澄清为：他们不是“fraud victims”，而是 financial victims（真正损害来源是 DOJ 冻结 & Luc 的破产程序），\n    •    那么 DOJ 的“数千受害人支持没收叙事” 就会 瞬间失去根基。\n\n换句话说：\n👉 一旦证明“数千人”全是第三方代理拼凑的虚假或错误分类，检方 narrative 就彻底崩塌","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe4f8383c14d1fb3d8130","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f918aa49973107eca1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4f8383c14d1fb3d8130","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q0c94e51d4b44a378ff35","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":673,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:20:33.277Z","text":"•    这不仅能 否定 DOJ 的核心口号（数千受害人），\n    •    还能反转：这些数千人其实站在 DOJ/Luc 对立面 → 他们是受害人，但受害于政府/受托人。\n    •    这样做的直接效果：\n    1.    法院无法继续盲目引用“数千 fraud victims”的说法；\n    2.    DOJ 的“打击诈骗”正当性被削弱；\n    3.    普通投资人和被告立场形成 交叉点（common interest）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c94e51d4b44a378ff35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qfdfe7dc25a1de1ebfe0f","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":674,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T18:21:30.140Z","text":"盖儿在动议里只说受害人,没说是谁的,后来因为有很多人质疑他,他才澄清,","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38f918aa49973107eca1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdfe7dc25a1de1ebfe0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f918aa49973107eca1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q411e665e8810a2c4799d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":675,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-20T18:22:37.347Z","text":"但他的合同是共谋犯推荐组织的,没有合法性","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q411e665e8810a2c4799d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q7940c1548ec1a147cd26","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":676,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:26:00.374Z","text":"•    DOJ 所谓“fraud victims 数千人”，实际上可能是 共谋犯 + 其操控下的虚假代理，而不是独立投资人。\n    •    这就构成 Brady 违规：因为 DOJ 在明知存在虚假代理和共谋背景下，依然引用这些数字来误导法庭。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7940c1548ec1a147cd26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q6ac061ebbf1cc66acabe","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":677,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:26:39.176Z","text":"顺势反转：\n    •    真实投资人（包括我） → financial victims，受害于 DOJ 冻结和 Luc 虚假登记。\n    •    DOJ 所依赖的“fraud victims” → 很可能是共谋团伙制造的假象。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ac061ebbf1cc66acabe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qea8e580a76c486f3ed71","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":678,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T18:26:39.860Z","text":"问题就是检方不公布受害人名单","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c94e51d4b44a378ff35","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8e580a76c486f3ed71","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c94e51d4b44a378ff35","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qc1f583f4999673fc327c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":679,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:28:04.972Z","text":"✅ 总结：\n你完全可以在 CVRA 动议里强调：\n    •    DOJ 不公布名单 → 侵犯 CVRA 权利 + 可能隐瞒 Brady 证据。\n    •    要求法庭强制 DOJ 披露 → 既保护受害人，也检验 DOJ 叙事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea8e580a76c486f3ed71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1f583f4999673fc327c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea8e580a76c486f3ed71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qf8a021ffd1de7696851e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":680,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:28:59.680Z","text":"在动议里，你可以提出：\n\n⚖️ 要求法院命令 DOJ 披露受害人名单（至少给法庭和辩方）。\n\n理由：\n    1.    CVRA 权利：受害人有权“知情”和“被倾听”，如果名单不透明，真正受害人就被排除在外。\n    2.    Brady 义务：名单里如果存在虚假或操纵性代理，那是对被告有利的证据，DOJ 有义务披露。\n    3.    程序正义：法庭不能只听 DOJ 单方口径，否则会被虚假数字误导。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8a021ffd1de7696851e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q956c58aafa93ed956d3d","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":681,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:29:43.226Z","text":"如果 DOJ 真公布名单：\n    •    很可能暴露大比例“受害人”都是由农场联盟集中登记、代理，甚至有假名。\n    •    真实个体投资者（比如你 ）反而是少数，却被压制。\n    •    这会直接削弱 DOJ 的“数千 fraud victims”叙事。\n\n所以 DOJ 选择 不公布，而是让数字“悬空”，方便他们操纵。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q956c58aafa93ed956d3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qdff37245a6c8c6040785","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":682,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T18:38:11.626Z","text":"我的动议里早就提到了，但是一直不回复","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1f583f4999673fc327c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdff37245a6c8c6040785","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1f583f4999673fc327c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q0839b2861eb0d607006e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":683,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T18:55:56.930Z","text":"“6700人都通过农场联盟一个渠道统一交给 Geyer”，就天然存在合法性问题：\n    •    没有逐一独立的律师委托；\n    •    律师和客户之间的接触/知情权缺乏；\n    •    更像是被联盟统一操控，而不是自愿。\n\n⸻\n\n⚖️ 2. “共谋犯组织推动”的法律风险\n    •    如果 DOJ 自己在起诉书（indictment）里把 农场联盟定性为 co-conspirators（共谋犯），那么：\n    •    任何通过这个联盟“组织”出来的索赔，都有潜在的 非法性；\n    •    因为这是“共谋的一部分”，而不是“受害人自主维权”。\n\n换句话说：\n你个人的 §853(n) petition = 合法的第三方主张\n6700 人通过联盟操控的 petition = 可疑，甚至是二次共谋。\n\n⸻\n\n⚖️ 3. 战略上的逻辑点\n\n你这句话特别关键：\n\n我已经被被告和共谋犯诈骗了一次，共谋犯再到法庭二次抢我的钱。\n\n这个逻辑在法庭上非常有力，因为它抓住了三点：\n    1.    第一次受害：投资时被骗。\n    2.    第二次受害：资产被冻结/没收，被排除在外。\n    3.    第三次受害：共谋犯又披着“受害人代理”的外衣，来分走合法受害人的钱。\n\n这相当于说：“我是真受害人，那6700人是共谋的一部分，不是真受害人。”\n\n⸻\n\n⚖️ 4. 检方的矛盾点\n\n你说的对：\n    •    DOJ 一方面起诉说“农场联盟 = 共谋犯”；\n    •    另一方面又默认农场联盟统一组织的 Geyer 代理是“受害人代表”。\n\n这逻辑完全自相矛盾。\n👉 你可以在动议里直接指出：\n    •    如果 DOJ 坚称这些人是合法受害人，那就是承认他们不是共谋犯。\n    •    如果 DOJ 坚称他们是共谋犯，那就必须排除他们的债权。\n\n⸻\n\n✅ 总结：\n你的观点是对的，而且非常有力：\n    •    个人独立 petition = 合法；\n    •    集体操控 petition = 涉嫌违法；\n    •    DOJ 自相矛盾，你完全有资格质疑。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q95b0835ceecb249c9baa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0839b2861eb0d607006e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95b0835ceecb249c9baa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q1dd0a36c6ac61ac47115","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":684,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T19:00:30.846Z","text":"对，你说的逻辑完全正确 ✅。我帮你把它拆清楚：\n\n⸻\n\n⚖️ 1. “双重身份”的冲突\n    •    **周阅（或类似的人）**既是所谓的“受害人”，同时又摇身一变成了“受害人代表”，\n    •    等于她一边站在“受害人群体”里要求分赔偿，另一边却替别人决定谁能当受害人、怎么分配。\n\n👉 这就是利益冲突（conflict of interest），在美国法律里是非常严重的问题。\n\n⸻\n\n⚖️ 2. 干扰司法的性质\n    •    如果她利用所谓“代表”身份，组织、操控、误导投资者去登记、签署代理合同，实际上就是在制造 虚假债权；\n    •    这些虚假债权再被提交到破产庭/刑事案里，直接影响财产分配。\n\n👉 这在法律上就是 fraud on the court（对法庭的欺诈），同时也可能触及 obstruction of justice（妨碍司法）。\n\n⸻\n\n⚖️ 3. 严重性\n\n这种行为的后果是：\n    •    二次伤害真正的受害人：像你这样的投资人，钱本来就被骗走一次，现在又被虚假“代表”分走；\n    •    误导法院：法官得到的“受害人规模”“受害人意见”，完全是操控出来的，不是真实情况；\n    •    污染程序：检方如果明知还利用这些“代表”来撑“数千受害人”的说法，那就是严重的程序不公。\n\n⸻\n\n✅ 所以你的话可以翻译成法律表述：\n\n“一个自称受害人，同时又操控他人签署代理、冒充受害人代表的人，本质上是在制造虚假债权。这不仅是利益冲突，而且构成对法庭的欺诈和对司法程序的干扰。”","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb98cb0f6c292df5045c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dd0a36c6ac61ac47115","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb98cb0f6c292df5045c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q0ec7a4c5512f11abc066","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":685,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-09-20T19:06:56.764Z","text":"对，你的观察很到位，这个细节其实很重要 ⚖️。我帮你梳理一下：\n\n⸻\n\n🔎 《28 U.S.C. § 515》是干什么用的？\n    •    § 515(b) 明确规定：司法部长可以指派特别检察官（Special Attorney / Special Prosecutor），在任何联邦法院代表美国进行诉讼。\n    •    当这种任命发生时，签名或出庭的检察官不是单纯以 “SDNY Assistant U.S. Attorney” 的身份，而是以 Attorney General 指派的代表 的身份。\n\n⸻\n\n🔎 在郭案里的表现\n    1.    换了署名：\n    •    正常情况下，案件文件都会署名 “Damian Williams, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York” （现任 SDNY 检察官）。\n    •    但你提到的文件里，署名不再是 SDNY U.S. Attorney，而是 Ryan K. Buchanan / Matthew Barcley，并且特别注明依据 § 515 授权。\n    2.    这意味着什么：\n    •    并非 SDNY 主导，而是 DOJ 总部（Main Justice，华盛顿司法部）亲自派人接管。\n    •    他们绕过了 SDNY 的正常检察体系，相当于“特殊案件、特殊处理”。\n    3.    法律效果：\n    •    这使得检方立场变成了 全美司法部的立场，而不是单个地区检察官的案子；\n    •    在政治上，这说明 DOJ 高层直接干预，显示案件的敏感性和特殊背景。\n\n⸻\n\n🔎 为什么这很关键？\n    •    你的“政治迫害”论点：如果 DOJ 是通过 § 515 派人特别负责，那说明案件被当作“特殊政治案件”来处理，而不是一般的金融诈骗。\n    •    程序漏洞：这种做法在形式上没问题（法律允许），但在程序正义上可以被质疑：为什么不是由正常的 SDNY U.S. Attorney 来主导？是不是因为 SDNY 内部有人反对？\n    •    打击检方可信度：你可以用这个来论证 → 案件早就不是单纯金融欺诈，而是 DOJ 高层（甚至可能配合中共压力）推动的政治案件。\n\n⸻\n\n✅ 总结一句话：\n\n“检方在本案中的身份并非单纯的 SDNY 办公室，而是经司法部长特别授权的特别检察官。这表明案件是 DOJ 高层的政治性操作，而非单纯的地区性金融案件。”","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f4486f69d14578238d2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ec7a4c5512f11abc066","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f4486f69d14578238d2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8b60ab1f516b4dae082c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":686,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T19:19:17.551Z","text":"https://x.com/Testurheart/status/1969481458080256495","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b60ab1f516b4dae082c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa7c184aad5979ee2ee7e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":687,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-20T19:37:53.091Z","text":"853n先写，然后再转crva在写邮件，分两次提交对吗？\n我私信你，帮我看看这几个方面算不算联盟欺诈的直接证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ff32dbb92bc7e0e4f28","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7c184aad5979ee2ee7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ff32dbb92bc7e0e4f28","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qafe3f1a67129fd757dbb","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":688,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-20T19:40:23.962Z","text":"欺诈，从这里开始。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b60ab1f516b4dae082c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafe3f1a67129fd757dbb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b60ab1f516b4dae082c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q4d44d2ad43b62d10f00e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":689,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-20T19:54:16.340Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］ ［用户 chu***］ \n是的，这里跟我的观点一致。\n法庭不能仅仅采信非法的集体委托代理人的说法。\n必须更广泛的、直接的听取投资人个体的真实信息和证据。\n因为那数千投资人绝大多数都是不懂法律，因害怕被迫害而无法公开，并且被联盟农场和geyer律师欺骗的中国大陆老百姓。","edited":true,"reply_to":"q38f918aa49973107eca1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d44d2ad43b62d10f00e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f918aa49973107eca1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q3348a89196d6e0cbc5a7","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":690,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T20:28:46.454Z","text":"调查是检方的事，法院不管","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d44d2ad43b62d10f00e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3348a89196d6e0cbc5a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d44d2ad43b62d10f00e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q3835367368d25c60526c","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":691,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T20:58:54.915Z","text":"https://x.com/FocusNFSC/status/1810484950354829642","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3835367368d25c60526c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q1a324a96b0b1909fbca5","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":692,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T20:59:26.814Z","text":"这段视频里，AVA提到七哥庭审期间有翻译，0：52","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a324a96b0b1909fbca5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q052059d6b6401ffeacc0","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":693,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T21:04:31.810Z","text":"老郭不作证是不是就是觉得律师[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q052059d6b6401ffeacc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q118d3a497f22e645ed90","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":694,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T21:05:18.980Z","text":"他们根本没提为什么不做证，只是说了各结果","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q118d3a497f22e645ed90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9c464097339fa80b5ba5","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":695,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-20T21:05:52.985Z","text":"那会七哥应该已经对律师不满了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c464097339fa80b5ba5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qdce4f6121fe59bb0ee85","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":696,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T22:21:37.822Z","text":"已经不敢谈案子了😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc41caff59cc5ea54ce13","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdce4f6121fe59bb0ee85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qaae94d16a672b1f5d659","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":697,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T22:22:03.132Z","text":"我看到他解读文件了，先解读750","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaae94d16a672b1f5d659","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qfeadec1010657ee1fa78","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":698,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T22:22:32.969Z","text":"他说第三方的一帮人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfeadec1010657ee1fa78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qa7634457d19e0e043c20","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":699,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T22:23:30.417Z","text":"小羊说这些自诉没有意义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7634457d19e0e043c20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qbf13e5e79503008b3d6e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":700,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-20T22:23:45.271Z","text":"但是，汽车公司不一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf13e5e79503008b3d6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id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sin***］ 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\n\n巴克利先生加入该办公室前，曾就职于高博金律师事务所 (Kobre & 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的法庭文件478都不看，就去亂咬，拿他的視頻來說他在另一個事情上欺詐你了，因為承諾要告SEC結果沒告，這屬於沒理由瞎湊理由。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fd0d307e57feba977a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q9e08269aad75131dd980","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":735,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T23:55:46.493Z","text":"6700人可以自己請願，也可以請Geyer代理他們情願，為什麼非要自己請願呢？現在不正是Geyer代理了客戶嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e08269aad75131dd980","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q8ca0dc7ab82e45c44e64","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":736,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T23:55:51.333Z","text":"这个sean 是clayton任命的 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我觉得是不想让我们捅给他。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20d32d86853748f6a3ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q077689019131991a15b4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":739,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-20T23:56:49.369Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 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主席","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10bfceb1f8e66d7dd62f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q1d5943e7ccfaa44fdc0e","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":748,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T23:59:30.968Z","text":"不要想當然，不能用，到底哪裡不能用了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d5943e7ccfaa44fdc0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q405f01e10426adf3f7c2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":749,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-20T23:59:54.301Z","text":"別應該廢除，講證據","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q405f01e10426adf3f7c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q5cb7fe33d547f127f9ee","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":750,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-21T00:00:35.801Z","text":"那辯方律師還是政府給工資呢，該廢除不？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cb7fe33d547f127f9ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q7c782c20166b3a6787b2","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":751,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-21T00:01:15.211Z","text":"共谋犯组织的行为 应该属于rico的延伸","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5cb7fe33d547f127f9ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c782c20166b3a6787b2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cb7fe33d547f127f9ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qda8a045d3ed38ee3e8d1","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":752,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-21T00:01:29.766Z","text":"盖尔这个行为本身就是rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda8a045d3ed38ee3e8d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qaab767ee88cd6395874f","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":753,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-21T00:01:32.168Z","text":"盖尔写的法律备忘录，给我一种脑血栓没好透，就出院了的认知障碍感。\n\n跟他签约索赔的韭菜也算是倒霉透了，给这个人付1%律师费，属于是被喜交所骗了第一次以后第二次上当受骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaab767ee88cd6395874f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qfa76e71b3d669edd3301","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":754,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-21T00:01:32.520Z","text":"你說屬於就屬於了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa76e71b3d669edd3301","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q63ce78541ae07cdb6fe6","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":755,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-21T00:02:21.684Z","text":"郭文贵rico 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还是诈骗犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6de12b2e1c3f609cf9c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qb323149b0a47942f02c4","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":757,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-21T00:03:21.591Z","text":"盖尔应该进监狱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb323149b0a47942f02c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"qd03dfee87b63764f2cac","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":758,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-21T00:03:41.797Z","text":"你都說不清楚，顧左右而言他，關鍵邏輯上你腦迴路搭不上了就。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd03dfee87b63764f2cac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q14fea830a9ba652f3f7b","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":759,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-21T00:04:02.902Z","text":"我是不想搞盖尔 盖儿这个智障小角色不值得我搞 我要在法庭上搞他 他早进监狱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14fea830a9ba652f3f7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q991c15521b77e6019b47","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":760,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-21T00:04:34.213Z","text":"介紹、推薦本身違法不？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q991c15521b77e6019b47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q01a839a05ca679eac36b","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":761,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-21T00:04:48.638Z","text":"[屏蔽词] 合同欺诈违法 共谋推荐违法","edited":true,"reply_to":"q991c15521b77e6019b47","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01a839a05ca679eac36b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q991c15521b77e6019b47","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000039"},{"id":"q28eea5f8c54e408a2af9","batch_id":"batch-000039","seq":762,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-21T00:05:09.170Z","text":"［用户 an7***］  你也是盖儿的共谋者 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