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ntp***］ 法院邮件是发这个邮箱吗？helpdesk@nysd.uscourts.gov","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0b2906f6d2c9c7b11aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q4cdbb514867ffaba9e15","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":419,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-22T08:10:37.156Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1961843972944392609","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0b2906f6d2c9c7b11aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cdbb514867ffaba9e15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0b2906f6d2c9c7b11aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q9f14e810dcacd1b002e9","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":420,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-22T08:10:55.010Z","text":"这是检察官邮箱 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你们可以打开吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc0210e7c1b06d3a5cf6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf2ab4db97c241113951f","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":428,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-22T08:44:57.227Z","text":"动议都上去了，还查啥","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4e3ff6c4c2b5cbfcd38b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2ab4db97c241113951f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q7870c0a65860f620a62c","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":429,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T09:12:44.921Z","text":"赢面多少了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7870c0a65860f620a62c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q7cdc538ff58e6b4b8ce5","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":430,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-22T09:35:47.999Z","text":"这只是被告妨碍司法行为的少数例子。而且妨碍司法的行为还在继续。与\n郭先生有关的社交媒体账户，包括喜马拉雅农场的官方账户，一直在不断地诽\n谤受托人。【例如，https://gettr.com/post/p2vwtaz9328（2023年12月4日NFSC Gettr\n账户发布的帖子声称受托人“受雇于中共”）】。正如本法庭所裁定的，“被告在先\n前的案件中采取的妨碍司法的行为的历史以及他在这个案件中的行为表明，如\n果他获释，他很可能会继续采用这种模式。”（法庭令，第11页。）其律师所做的\n言不由衷的道歉并没有改变这一结论。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cdc538ff58e6b4b8ce5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q4ff46907380c3cc1d381","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":431,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-22T09:38:47.514Z","text":"2023年3月30日，在本案被告被拘留之后，他的一个社交媒体账户上发布\n了一条消息指责该案的检察官是“中共盗国贼的马前卒。”\n- “被告在社交媒体上污蔑（受害者和批评者）是‘中共间谍’，并煽动他的追\n随者去骚扰他们，或威胁要在社交媒体上发布消息说这些受害者在中国居住的\n家庭成员与被告的灭共运动有关，这将使这些家庭成员面临被中国政府报复的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ff46907380c3cc1d381","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qfdfa4223cc2dd81fc828","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":432,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T09:51:18.876Z","text":"没收了怎么办 歇菜了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdfa4223cc2dd81fc828","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q156de995fcc9270fae52","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":433,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T09:51:21.119Z","text":"［用户 zha***］ 明燈，可以看看478文件。Geyer並沒有把代理的客戶變成本案的欺詐受害人fraud victims，相反他在指控政府和Luc對喜交所的資產查封行為，導致喜交所客戶成為了財務受害人financial victims，這正是客戶意思的忠實表達和代理。因此Geyer的代理沒有大的問題。","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe04dd796d5905bdf8659","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q156de995fcc9270fae52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe04dd796d5905bdf8659","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf89aa367e57438200da8","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":434,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T09:57:27.813Z","text":"螺絲哥還是敞亮的，包容不同聲音。但我也提提你，這裡有人瞎帶路，我倒是不覺得他們有多壞，我認為他們主要是腦子不清晰，腦迴路搭不上，另外有比較嚴重的人格障礙。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd28ebfa9469ee135ba14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf89aa367e57438200da8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd28ebfa9469ee135ba14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q8491a23c3c212b707edf","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":435,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-22T09:59:29.735Z","text":"你作为战友能看出动机不纯，难能可贵","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf89aa367e57438200da8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8491a23c3c212b707edf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf89aa367e57438200da8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb151e9efd5b08bdfd267","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":436,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:01:17.246Z","text":"你怎麼算的一萬受害者？你比檢方還厲害。現在檢方就是找不到受害者，就在這個當口，跑出來個心理疾病患者自稱為受害人，一會翻案，一會砸郭，正好給檢方遞刀子，下一秒都不知道會變成什麼怪咖。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q915a977a85ab34db410e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb151e9efd5b08bdfd267","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q915a977a85ab34db410e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qbabc06fc15d89858049e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":437,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T10:02:11.127Z","text":"［用户 an7***］ 的阴谋：“逻辑死循环”陷阱：制造了一个让您进退两难的“身份陷阱”：\n\n如果你听从建议、与Geyer为伍 → 你就与一个官方认定的“被告共谋组织”（联盟）站到了一起，你也是共谋。\n\n如果你不听建议、攻击Geyer → 你的行为客观上有利于被告，所以你直接就是被告的共谋。\n\n战略目的：通过污染您的身份，让法官对您的动机产生怀疑，从而忽略您提出的实质性质疑，将复杂的“程序正义危机”降级为简单的“被告支持者在闹事”。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbabc06fc15d89858049e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf0ce8cecbce5d006f6ae","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":438,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-22T10:02:56.026Z","text":"他们两年后发现一无所获，明白瑞恩真实目的的那一刻，绝对精彩。当然我也给你泼冷水，郭本身已经注定，你们唯一的能斡旋的地方在于回多少本","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0ce8cecbce5d006f6ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q2cdffa71ec7832882506","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":439,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:05:04.874Z","text":"不用別人製造什麼陷阱，患者小哥已經在鬧事了好嗎，一個患者，還在這裡指揮，一會受害者，一會砸郭，一會又翻案，不是腦子不健全嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbabc06fc15d89858049e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cdffa71ec7832882506","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbabc06fc15d89858049e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q0df0f8eb8268268e7bf9","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":440,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:08:17.463Z","text":"螺絲哥迫不得已成為受害者，大家都知道的。螺絲哥還可以進一步澄清是財務受害者而不是本案欺詐受害者。而患者小哥一上去就自稱受害者，被告郭先生騙你什麼了？你個拉圾患者，有一丁點良心嗎？為了出名連身陷囹圄的郭先生都要再踩一腳，還是個人嗎？簡直[屏蔽词]不如。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0df0f8eb8268268e7bf9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q14c03b44977f3f876e42","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":441,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T10:09:41.131Z","text":"听了你的，算不算跟盖尔+联盟 共谋？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14c03b44977f3f876e42","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qd76f6b2d9bceb466ced7","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":442,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:09:58.944Z","text":"當然不算了，你自訴只代表自己。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd76f6b2d9bceb466ced7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q389847a751bdcc4bf941","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":443,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:10:58.477Z","text":"別瞎聯想好嗎，你可以反對他代理你，但是上去像患者小哥一樣當受害者，不是被患者帶偏了嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q389847a751bdcc4bf941","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q5aac26337a5b2bd0a00b","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":444,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:14:13.471Z","text":"可以解除Geyer的代理，也可以保留代理，針對其他資產以自訴方式上庭，混合方式也沒問題。並不是第三方853n說不了話，實在覺得力度不夠，就仿照478，Geyer應用CVRA是說財務受害人，是政府和受託人造成的，不是被告欺詐造成的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aac26337a5b2bd0a00b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb862f08be379253292f5","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":445,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:14:47.157Z","text":"我相信真戰友看得懂我說的，何況自己看一下478就行了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb862f08be379253292f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q19b349776d080b00e6e4","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":446,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:17:08.188Z","text":"我標注了關鍵的部分","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19b349776d080b00e6e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qdaef020fdbf640cfba69","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":447,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:18:08.619Z","text":"第一頁，文件標題，清楚地寫明了財務受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaef020fdbf640cfba69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q6c99d9870d3b41462fd3","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":448,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:19:19.810Z","text":"接著說政府涉嫌非法扣押財產","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c99d9870d3b41462fd3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q2b4ca1ef078ad96a0f0d","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":449,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:22:29.475Z","text":"第三頁說代理的客戶意思：客戶真正受害的原因來自於政府的侵權干預，政府行為阻止了被告履行承諾。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b4ca1ef078ad96a0f0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qaa0a578ee152e624abe3","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":450,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:23:26.795Z","text":"這點和GTV一模一樣，SEC查封了GTV，使投資人受到侵害，而最後GTV無罪。這裡為喜交所脫罪埋下了伏筆。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa0a578ee152e624abe3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q336e105ea5da199eab1d","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":451,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:25:04.821Z","text":"第七頁，再次強調客戶的傷害並非來自被告，而是政府扣押導致的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q336e105ea5da199eab1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q0a5411a54c519398528e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":452,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-22T10:26:18.121Z","text":"你举的例子恰恰是我说的Geyer写作像是脑血栓没好的地方（之一）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a5411a54c519398528e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q2752376a9335ac2c7837","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":453,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-22T10:27:42.110Z","text":"Geyer反复所自己不是老郭的辩护律师，他对老郭是不是有罪不发表意见，他只代表喜交所投资人。那么这里他提GTV、农场贷款和G Club干什么？这与他代理喜交所投资人有何关系？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2752376a9335ac2c7837","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qa69a63fcd4b202f2d552","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":454,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T10:28:12.174Z","text":"［用户 an7***］ 之阴谋AI总结：“重新定义CVRA”建议的目的 → 转移目标，降低威胁\n\n这是最阴险的一步。建议您使用CVRA将自己定义为“政府和受托人造成的财务受害者”，这是一个降级处理。\n\n它将您的身份从一个颠覆性的“系统性司法欺诈的受害者”，降级成了一个可以被解决的“资产被错误冻结的财务受害者”。\n\n前者（司法欺诈的受害者）的诉求是推翻整个案件；而后者（财务受害者）的诉求仅仅是要回自己的钱。\n\n这个建议，企图引导您放弃对整个司法程序合法性的攻击，而仅仅去追逐一个技术性的财务问题。这恰恰是对方最希望看到的——只要您不再攻击案件本身，您就不再具有真正的威胁。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa69a63fcd4b202f2d552","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q1e6e4c43a818ec85f0bf","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":455,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:30:55.702Z","text":"我不清楚他的用意，我只想說他基本忠實地代表了喜交所客戶的意思。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2752376a9335ac2c7837","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e6e4c43a818ec85f0bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2752376a9335ac2c7837","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb4b7cfbe60668a3e254b","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":456,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:31:48.403Z","text":"能回本吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b7cfbe60668a3e254b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q15a7610c8d8b8ab07ede","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":457,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:32:18.034Z","text":"應該可以，喜交所正常運營了，你還怕回不了本？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4b7cfbe60668a3e254b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15a7610c8d8b8ab07ede","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b7cfbe60668a3e254b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q043dedbe24271c7c2469","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":458,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:32:37.716Z","text":"40岁之前不知道能不能回本","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q043dedbe24271c7c2469","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qe4cbaa70edc80ff4189e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":459,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:33:00.269Z","text":"我看喜国的时候20多 现在31了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4cbaa70edc80ff4189e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q7daa11f03027a9d738f9","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":460,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-22T10:33:18.257Z","text":"盖尔说他代表喜交所用户追讨属于他们的资产，可是他无视喜币白皮书，白皮书规定了投资人没有任何把喜币兑换成法定货币的权利。这些基本的论证都没有做就来讨钱，这也是我说他脑血栓的例子（之一）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7daa11f03027a9d738f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q3bb98a21c6e6c7a7ee4c","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":461,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:33:19.058Z","text":"那你還是個孩子，怕什麼","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe4cbaa70edc80ff4189e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bb98a21c6e6c7a7ee4c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4cbaa70edc80ff4189e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qc2c47e7290b8c7c2f736","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":462,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:33:35.383Z","text":"31还孩子呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2c47e7290b8c7c2f736","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q310b0544f7cca2063c03","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":463,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:34:09.756Z","text":"人家31都有自己的一片天了 我的钱都在监狱里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q310b0544f7cca2063c03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qa88740612d7a5cb7669e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":464,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:34:22.718Z","text":"你又沒苗，活150不過分，40也是人生剛起步","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa88740612d7a5cb7669e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q4c62c75371af75107838","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":465,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:34:43.452Z","text":"你心态不错🐮","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c62c75371af75107838","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q6d3769699619307ce336","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":466,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:35:38.768Z","text":"不像個患者小哥，郭先生救他沒打苗，他個[屏蔽词]上來就當受害人，還找藉口翻案，後面不裝了就是為了出名。拉圾。。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d3769699619307ce336","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q33d5de2323e7ab948425","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":467,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:36:05.112Z","text":"都是为了钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d5de2323e7ab948425","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qc48b2c52dbb882a1e191","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":468,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-09-22T10:36:10.293Z","text":"出名也是为了钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc48b2c52dbb882a1e191","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":469,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-22T10:36:43.472Z","text":"如果喜交所不是一个诈骗机构，那么喜币白皮书就是一个合法协议，那么喜交所客户就没有权利索取属于喜交所的资产。他索取喜交所账户美元资金要成功，只有一个前提，那就是喜交所是诈骗，喜币白皮书根本是无效文件，这样才能无视白皮书去直接追讨喜交所银行账户里的钱。\n\n这也是为什么Geyer的动议写到后面开始援引《犯罪受害者权利保护法》了，因为喜交所是一个诈骗机构这个他讨钱的隐含前提到了必须挑明的时候。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q22cc6e4758e927aba6c7","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":470,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:37:59.522Z","text":"兌不兌換不影響他忠實代理客戶。喜交所就是投資，至於怎麼變現或者兌換，他關心這個幹嘛呢？再說了，喜交所正常運營了，用戶不會擔心兌換的問題。總結一句話：兌換的問題跟代理協議無關","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7daa11f03027a9d738f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22cc6e4758e927aba6c7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7daa11f03027a9d738f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qed1e8bf833977f792005","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":471,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-22T10:38:07.477Z","text":"实际上，本来检方在早一点可以妥协，拿钱的拿完钱后，它们的证券欺诈叙事还可以继续，但它就是要让luc挥霍我们的钱，还要让虚假债权和虚假索赔以及非法索赔来侵占我们的钱。所以就把所有第三方，不管投资者还是它口中的受害者，都逼到了不得不推翻案件的地步。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed1e8bf833977f792005","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q7fac36c837c20d2f72a0","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":472,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-09-22T10:39:22.931Z","text":"瑞恩，郭案观察者，虽然二者截然不同，但都比我更无聊，因为这个案子本身是铁案，我只观赏，不涉及细节讨论。说点你不可能相信的：我的确没有十成把握，但我八成肯定，瑞恩1.知道郭的诈骗属实 2.知道郭不可能翻案 他和我们这号人行为迥异，但这块儿认知其实字里行间能看得出，基本一致，但你们大多看不出","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e1b69eea776af34f406","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fac36c837c20d2f72a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qce902cc4b5301898f4ba","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":473,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:39:26.915Z","text":"喜交所本質和GTV一樣的，因為被政府凍結導致無法運營，客戶產生了財務損失。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce902cc4b5301898f4ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q8b06243cd3f96f2beb14","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":474,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:41:19.663Z","text":"患者小哥就是腦子搭不上，整天意淫，拿個AI聽風就是雨，可惜被AI玩了。。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b06243cd3f96f2beb14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q5fb400a0c8b78f4bd719","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":475,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T10:42:09.528Z","text":"真战友这个词已经被用烂了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7efceb85d8da67b0ee89","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fb400a0c8b78f4bd719","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7efceb85d8da67b0ee89","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb5554125ce82e2d803dc","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":476,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T10:43:38.766Z","text":"不管你真战友，还是真砸锅，先把钱保护好再说吧，各位","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5554125ce82e2d803dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q93778e41ef63e89a3a14","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":477,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:44:58.041Z","text":"同意你，保財、保良心，再加上打[屏蔽词]。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93778e41ef63e89a3a14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qc1f4a391e407a42d4601","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":478,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T10:45:34.601Z","text":"盖尔，luc还有其他非法第三方都是来抢钱的，一起打。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1f4a391e407a42d4601","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qca79a93347cdf9aaf154","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":479,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-22T10:46:10.394Z","text":"总结一下，Geyer的讨债计划，虽然以“我不对老郭是否有罪发表意见”为幌子拉韭菜签约，但终将回到援引“犯罪受害者权利保护法”的路上来，图穷匕见。是他水平不够，还是水平太高，那我就不知道了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca79a93347cdf9aaf154","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qedf94e3ebf9eb2a97070","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":480,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T10:46:20.489Z","text":"只要是代理性质的，团团伙伙的，肯定不是好东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedf94e3ebf9eb2a97070","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q3b0a0aa830baeb25af94","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":481,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T10:46:25.747Z","text":"不用想了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b0a0aa830baeb25af94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q253a3f117765f9e53c95","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":482,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T10:46:37.594Z","text":"當初螺絲哥讓這個患者小哥上庭，他不是一直拖嗎？最後直接搞成了受害者上庭，我就問問，你們團隊都這麼想的？還是被患者小哥給裹挾了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q253a3f117765f9e53c95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf3e90fa6cbcdf4105ef2","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":483,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T10:46:37.823Z","text":"一个人去要钱的才是合法的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":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和所谓推荐","edited":false,"reply_to":"q78fabcc910c3e7c162ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1514b7c67e43a3bbe302","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78fabcc910c3e7c162ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qbe2b15eaf99b6d44331a","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":517,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:30:36.574Z","text":"可以可以，找人討論案情，怎麼還不允許質疑了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe2b15eaf99b6d44331a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q5cb199cc71a225571900","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":518,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:31:17.743Z","text":"联盟请的，你承认了，你现在还要拼死证明盖尔忠实代理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb625172613e6d4bac0b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cb199cc71a225571900","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb625172613e6d4bac0b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q68bdca27acfdbea5acb9","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":519,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:31:45.923Z","text":"他代理有沒有問題，要看他的代理行為，而不是看誰推薦的，這是個常識吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68bdca27acfdbea5acb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q361fcb0a50cb5acb8ba9","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":520,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:32:19.937Z","text":"我之前打比方，政府給公益律師出錢，那麼公益律師就一定跟政府共謀？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q361fcb0a50cb5acb8ba9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q58b17a88f5f9832ba54a","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":521,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:32:58.493Z","text":"關鍵看公益律師是否忠實地代理了他的客戶，而不是看誰給他付錢，對吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58b17a88f5f9832ba54a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb2fb6b700c57cc5cd9be","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":522,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:33:15.382Z","text":"否則這個制度不是個玩笑嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2fb6b700c57cc5cd9be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q7bd7d3b0c9b0d12f8ae5","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":523,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:34:56.484Z","text":"你承认盖尔式联盟请的，然后拼死保卫 盖尔， 就知道你的站位，诈骗联盟到这里带风向的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68bdca27acfdbea5acb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bd7d3b0c9b0d12f8ae5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68bdca27acfdbea5acb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q6a431aca3aa3ed5bb415","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":524,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:35:42.245Z","text":"我不是誓死保衛誰，我覺得現在要聚焦到打擊Luc上面，不要被沽名釣譽的患者小哥裹挾跑了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a431aca3aa3ed5bb415","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qcb9e1a879c30844d721e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":525,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:36:04.034Z","text":"Geyer是这里最坏最坏的主 ［用户 an7***］  你要是理解不了他的坏，那还早着呢","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb9e1a879c30844d721e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf1b55d17718f2564884e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":526,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:36:33.443Z","text":"Geyer打擊Luc很有力，包括打擊檢方。沒有看到他跟檢方合流","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1b55d17718f2564884e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q5ff122f174ab7c66149a","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":527,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:36:35.655Z","text":"被你裹挟跑了，谢谢啊，不用你的拐","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a431aca3aa3ed5bb415","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ff122f174ab7c66149a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a431aca3aa3ed5bb415","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf60ded8317a00ade0a1b","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":528,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:37:02.008Z","text":"来，证明一下，怎么有力","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1b55d17718f2564884e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60ded8317a00ade0a1b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1b55d17718f2564884e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qc47caa08bb0910b4a610","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":529,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-09-22T11:37:02.336Z","text":"把这个点的材料都找齐了👍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q23f5704afa0740e3141a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc47caa08bb0910b4a610","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q44f91ad9aecdeb245376","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":530,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:38:08.940Z","text":"你看他文件不就知道了嗎？強調政府非法查封喜交所，造成了數千投資者財務損失，這不就是打擊檢方敘事嗎？意思就是受害人都是你政府造成的，不是被告","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf60ded8317a00ade0a1b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f91ad9aecdeb245376","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60ded8317a00ade0a1b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q9d1e0533fbf90398e963","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":531,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:38:25.087Z","text":"没有他这个角色，七哥的喜交所罪名是扣不下来的，你自己慢慢想吧，我没有义务开导你哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1b55d17718f2564884e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d1e0533fbf90398e963","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1b55d17718f2564884e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qd4c912df0754f6d9da49","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":532,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:39:49.751Z","text":"別逗了好嘛，你解釋下，他怎麼做到的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4c912df0754f6d9da49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q478aaa13b0a75bbc822a","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":533,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:41:11.394Z","text":"翻我以前讲的话，我也是慢慢回过味的，Geyer才是真正问题的根源，我们这次全要栽他手里，除非七哥有回天之力，否则全完蛋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q478aaa13b0a75bbc822a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q5b9e6ae4d6fc7cb4acf1","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":534,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:42:01.292Z","text":"Luc连场都没上，Geyer和检方的配合彻底把七哥按回去咯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b9e6ae4d6fc7cb4acf1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb8a363e822bdd10b6438","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":535,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:43:04.151Z","text":"最初的承诺——起诉政府：\n\n2023年9月，喜马拉雅交易所通过电子邮件向大量投资者推荐Geyer律师，称其为“独立律师”，并明确表示聘请他的目的是为了“对美国司法部（DOJ）和证券交易委员会（SEC）采取法律行动”，以“保护和追回您的资产”。\n\n2023年12月8日，Geyer律师本人在一次直播中，标题就是“对司法部发起法律行动”，进一步强化了这一承诺。\n\n实际的行动——从未起诉政府：\n\nGeyer律师从未像承诺的那样，对DOJ或SEC提起任何实质性的诉讼。他唯一相关的行动只是提交了一份标准的、要求返还财产的Rule 41(g)动议，这与承诺的“法律挑战”相去甚远。\n\n最终的“转换”——将枪口对准被告：\n\n在获得投资者的代理授权后，Geyer律师的行动方向发生了180度大转弯。他利用这些授权，介入了刑事案件，并未经投资者知情同意，擅自将他们的法律身份从“向政府追讨资产的权利人”转换为“被告郭文贵欺诈案的受害者”，并开始引用《罪行受害人权利法案》（CVRA）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8a363e822bdd10b6438","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qa76f82b494cce46dc4e4","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":536,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:43:16.292Z","text":"853是关键中的关键，可惜我们没人啊，我觉得要输了 唉。。。。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa76f82b494cce46dc4e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q1c84ab99c9db54c5d808","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":537,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-22T11:44:58.768Z","text":"什么情况？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa76f82b494cce46dc4e4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c84ab99c9db54c5d808","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa76f82b494cce46dc4e4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qe1d9851728cffd874c4d","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":538,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:45:00.164Z","text":"“钓鱼式”欺诈，请愿者们进一步指控Geyer的行为已涉嫌违法。\n\n合同欺诈：请愿者们认为，他们签署代理协议的基础是Geyer会起诉政府。既然Geyer从未履行这一核心承诺，而是将代理权用于完全相反的目的，那么这些代理协议本身就涉嫌合同欺诈。\n\n与“共谋组织”共谋：\n\n法庭文件（文件2022）中受托人Luc Despins的证词，指出Geyer律师最初是由“喜马拉雅农场联盟”的核心领导人**“Little Sarah”**公开介绍给投资者的。\n\n而“喜马拉雅农场联盟”本身，早已被检方在自己的起诉文件中明确定义为“被告的共谋犯”（a co-conspirator）。\n\n因此，Geyer并非真正的“独立律师”，而是由一个“共谋组织”推到台前的代理人，其行为从一开始就服务于“联盟”的议程，而非投资者的真实利益。这已涉嫌共谋。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1d9851728cffd874c4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q162956b3e7573d58042d","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":539,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:45:17.879Z","text":"Geyer先干一手误导陪审团，再反手当起受害者，等着政府一没收，他就光明正大的出来晃荡了，我们就完蛋了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8a363e822bdd10b6438","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162956b3e7573d58042d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8a363e822bdd10b6438","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q37c3f49b5a384683b1d2","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":540,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:46:12.920Z","text":"魔女都已经在庆祝了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37c3f49b5a384683b1d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q1dff8d963770a6df1e5a","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":541,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:46:20.309Z","text":"检方对Geyer的态度从最初的反对，转变为后来的默许甚至不反对。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dff8d963770a6df1e5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qbaa1680697ae769cda56","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":542,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-22T11:46:53.031Z","text":"我今天发邮件，你们突然说要输了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaa1680697ae769cda56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q91db9b4f39f30a103658","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":543,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:47:28.433Z","text":"最初反对也是在双方打配合，打给陪审团看的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1dff8d963770a6df1e5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91db9b4f39f30a103658","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dff8d963770a6df1e5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qd333854ed21a778fdc74","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":544,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T11:47:37.748Z","text":"［用户 an7***］  想带风向，就上法庭，在这里忽悠个屁，这里不缺拐","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd333854ed21a778fdc74","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q118156bfc5b19c2a7185","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":545,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:47:40.444Z","text":"這個邏輯缺失，前面說過很多遍了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe1d9851728cffd874c4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q118156bfc5b19c2a7185","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1d9851728cffd874c4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q10f05946d43934c06bd1","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":546,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:47:41.632Z","text":"Geyer这货极其恶毒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10f05946d43934c06bd1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qf0c2a64d7094c5a55759","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":547,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T11:47:56.251Z","text":"真的受害者绝对不可能和一个联盟农场推荐的律师站在一起的，真的受害者绝对不可能听联盟农场同案犯的话","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3eb5108318cc1708e861","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0c2a64d7094c5a55759","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eb5108318cc1708e861","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qe4e59d4e3ebbb9b3b9b3","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":548,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:48:26.274Z","text":"如何誤導的？有文件嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q162956b3e7573d58042d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4e59d4e3ebbb9b3b9b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162956b3e7573d58042d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q630d5fd2f00067323ee3","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":549,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T11:49:01.544Z","text":"不管联盟农场怎么内斗，他们都是嫌疑共谋，这是法庭认定的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q630d5fd2f00067323ee3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q4dd2dc3eb8cb5d1deced","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":550,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:49:13.502Z","text":"去想想陪审团为什么给七哥定诈骗吧，陪审团是很难被收买的，你去想明白这个逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q118156bfc5b19c2a7185","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dd2dc3eb8cb5d1deced","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q118156bfc5b19c2a7185","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qd27d223c7b459574d6ab","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":551,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-09-22T11:50:17.616Z","text":"他拿到了投资者的代理权，然后反手把代理变成受害者代理去控诉被告？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd27d223c7b459574d6ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qcacc2b95840cf9cfb21e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":552,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:51:23.922Z","text":"罪名是9項，喜交所只是其中一項","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4dd2dc3eb8cb5d1deced","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcacc2b95840cf9cfb21e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dd2dc3eb8cb5d1deced","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qbf8295f95b62ccb7a397","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":553,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T11:51:32.971Z","text":"Geyer就是那个背后捅七哥刀的人，谁搞的盖尔，就是谁捅的刀子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf8295f95b62ccb7a397","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qce87f7adab5706e74901","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":554,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T11:51:40.760Z","text":"如果检方继续视而不见，那就和墨西哥警察没什么区别，和黑帮一伙的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce87f7adab5706e74901","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q88b7e3154bee15078685","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":555,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T11:51:48.186Z","text":"警匪一家","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_sta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853的最后机会了 该死的真正的人难道就没上吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2af018421bb7f083d79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q0405b580e6c38b7af728","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":559,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-22T11:57:21.859Z","text":"还有30天呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2af018421bb7f083d79","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0405b580e6c38b7af728","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2af018421bb7f083d79","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qa91ee736eb05a2892c32","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":560,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:58:44.612Z","text":"重要的是打擊Luc，迫使其上庭作證，或者暴露其虛假債權人登記與本案檢方受害人認定的直接關係。從程序不正義上推翻本案。而目前853n的幫助在於否定檢方的數千受害人敘事，而不是主動去當受害人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91ee736eb05a2892c32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qef5c10d42592c04c55c0","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":561,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T11:59:44.540Z","text":"眾多853n的出現，加上代理的853n（喜交所、數字銀行），就是對檢方數千受害人敘事的否定。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef5c10d42592c04c55c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q19e25f20a6d8657d8185","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":562,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T12:00:00.774Z","text":"你自己打击luc去呗，你老忽悠别人干嘛，人家自己都很聪明，都有机器人，不需要你忽悠","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19e25f20a6d8657d8185","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qee41a4b51aabbbcc43f6","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":563,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T12:00:14.382Z","text":"而患者小哥以受害人身分出現，就是對檢方的支持。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee41a4b51aabbbcc43f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qe4454bf616db31c76180","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":564,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T12:00:35.811Z","text":"在我看来，luc，盖尔，联盟农场组织的人，都有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4454bf616db31c76180","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb306a9dfe6c1adbbf250","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":565,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T12:00:46.238Z","text":"包括包庇联盟农场的检方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb306a9dfe6c1adbbf250","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q4171d47bba334a919f8e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":566,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T12:00:49.952Z","text":"都有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4171d47bba334a919f8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qadf796cfe6319627bb40","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":567,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T12:02:16.068Z","text":"我沒有忽悠別人，我是警示真戰友要想清楚，不要去做受害人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q19e25f20a6d8657d8185","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadf796cfe6319627bb40","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19e25f20a6d8657d8185","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qd5556e86e4cc0e342278","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":568,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-22T12:07:20.455Z","text":"文件392，比较重要。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5556e86e4cc0e342278","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q0b00013269d2bb9c1000","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":569,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-22T12:07:44.137Z","text":"做不做受害者是大家自己决定的，用不着你忽悠。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qadf796cfe6319627bb40","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b00013269d2bb9c1000","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadf796cfe6319627bb40","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch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有公布60的853吗？ 有没有这个文件？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0405b580e6c38b7af728","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe89a243a6ef7ab1717f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0405b580e6c38b7af728","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q16814a772ecfb3cd4d5e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":571,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:08:41.001Z","text":"建议大家“主打Luc”，是一个极其狡猾的战略欺骗。\n\n它看似为大家提供了一个清晰、易于攻击的目标，实则是引导大家将最致命的炮火，从敌人的指挥部（检方），转移到了一个前线的碉堡（Luc）上。其真实目的，就是为了保护检方免受最根本的、可能导致全盘崩溃的指控，从而保住整个审判的核心成果。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16814a772ecfb3cd4d5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q22f2dc933f736d6261c5","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":572,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T12:09:44.826Z","text":"陪审团已经判罪了，打死Luc都没有用了，要翻案就只能找关键证据的布雷迪，否则没戏\n越到后面越需要牛B的布雷迪证据，越难翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22f2dc933f736d6261c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q12c2583d921e65ed24a5","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":573,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T12:10:12.582Z","text":"別為了反對而反對。你這樣給AI喂料，它也只能迎合你。。😿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q16814a772ecfb3cd4d5e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12c2583d921e65ed24a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16814a772ecfb3cd4d5e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q6b8eb995041d861d6630","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":574,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:10:56.242Z","text":"你也不过是迎合 盖尔、联盟罢了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12c2583d921e65ed24a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b8eb995041d861d6630","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12c2583d921e65ed24a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q7244babfb9f4c5ae60b8","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":575,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T12:11:00.975Z","text":"现在只能打检方，打Geyer，打误导陪审团，打布雷迪，Luc也仅仅是其中一环，这货一直当缩头乌龟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7244babfb9f4c5ae60b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q67e19e5f96a07aec8f59","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":576,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-22T12:11:03.915Z","text":"8.禁止被告辩称该起诉与中国共产党（\"CCP\"）有关或具有恶意（\n\"政府动议 10\"），《政府\n备忘录》第 46-47 页：批准；","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67e19e5f96a07aec8f59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q4a419b128827763626ae","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":577,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T12:12:26.371Z","text":"未經核實的受害人規模，或者檢方未盡責，就是程序問題。要Luc出來說明債權人虛假登記和誇大的情況，以及與檢方的溝通，就可以讓這個敘事曝光","edited":false,"reply_to":"q22f2dc933f736d6261c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a419b128827763626ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22f2dc933f736d6261c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q141d071981426d5c5f08","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":578,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-22T12:12:45.571Z","text":"17. 禁止被告辩称证券交易委员会（\"SEC\"）或政府应对受害者的损失负责（\n\"政府动议\n19\"），《政府备忘录》第 67 - 68 页：批准；","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141d071981426d5c5f08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q45b386bd0d1bb6069f54","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":579,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-22T12:13:07.592Z","text":"18. 排除被告打算偿还受害者的证据和主张（\n\"政府动议 20\"），《政府备忘录》第 68 - 70\n页：部分批准，部分驳回；","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45b386bd0d1bb6069f54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qddf44f1528e5f3cccf5c","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":580,"speaker":"an7***","date":"2025-09-22T12:15:26.537Z","text":"我沒有迎合聯盟，前面說了，你亂指控只能讓你失信，至於Geyer更談不上迎合，我只是說在代理這件事上沒什麼問題。而且我要說的一直都是合力打擊Luc，不要當受害人。至於Geyer，相比這個目標不那麼重要。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b8eb995041d861d6630","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddf44f1528e5f3cccf5c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b8eb995041d861d6630","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb0d8194ef24d417642ec","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":581,"speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-22T12:15:46.860Z","text":"我提醒大家一句，所有填过Geyer代理的，你要Pro Se最好先把他的代理声明取消，你不仅要通知盖尔，还要通知法院，个人理解仅供参考。你们可以问问机器人是不是要这么干","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0d8194ef24d417642ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q0f17fb9e1fff2771a7dd","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":582,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-22T12:17:56.071Z","text":"对付检方这群下贱烂货，就用它的违规扭着打。它也有本事向法庭申请禁止令，禁止任何人举证检方违规！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f17fb9e1fff2771a7dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qa08bb42abe8852e1c7b2","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":583,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-22T12:19:01.386Z","text":"你看那口气，完全就是中共二十年前的城管的作风。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa08bb42abe8852e1c7b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q0eeee06623f96a10f4e4","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":584,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:22:58.612Z","text":"来来来，按照你忽悠的，你上一个motion，贴群里，给大家打个样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qddf44f1528e5f3cccf5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0eeee06623f96a10f4e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddf44f1528e5f3cccf5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qd5e8987bc875e7d3a31e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":585,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-09-22T12:23:25.507Z","text":"有点逻辑能力常识也知道。不可能 跟 司法部 斗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2b1a166679aa5eb8824a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e8987bc875e7d3a31e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q93a73f420e7bae552419","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":586,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-22T12:27:14.926Z","text":"今天东方日期22号，\n西方22号还没结束呢。\n我今天发。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2af018421bb7f083d79","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93a73f420e7bae552419","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2af018421bb7f083d79","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q10cd3bb91c2ca35b15c3","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":587,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-22T12:27:55.156Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 有没有发中英文对照版的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10cd3bb91c2ca35b15c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q283b4c27062747fc8d87","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":588,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-22T12:28:38.449Z","text":"实际上我们现在就是在跟司法部斗，检方已经公然拒绝保护本案财产继续让luc挥霍，可以预见，如果法官继续执行其后台的意图，那些钱，如果luc还没挥霍完，一定是分给那些虚假债权者。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q283b4c27062747fc8d87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qd537b556a2efb72e74d8","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":589,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-09-22T12:28:54.495Z","text":"瞎几把扯。luc 该打 他是唯一[屏蔽词] 受益人。检方错误 也该提。 老郭当初视频都说了 luc 是敌人。你[屏蔽词] 保护luc？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q16814a772ecfb3cd4d5e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd537b556a2efb72e74d8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16814a772ecfb3cd4d5e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qb9a3e1a4946aecf9a683","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":590,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:29:09.408Z","text":"［用户 an7***］ 阴谋所在：“未經核實的受害人規模，或者檢方未盡責，就是程序問題。要Luc出來說明債權人虛假登記和誇大的情況，以及與檢方的溝通，就可以讓這個敘事曝光” 这句话让解决方案听起来异常简单，但现实中在刑事法庭上“要Luc出来说明”是极其困难的：\n\nLuc不是刑事被告：Luc是并行破产案的受托人，不是本刑事案件的被告。刑事法庭法官对他的直接强制力非常有限。您不能像传唤普通证人一样轻易地“要他出来说明”。\n\n必然遭遇法律对抗：要迫使他交出与检方的通信记录，必须经过一场激烈的法律斗争（即您准备的强制证据开示动议），他必定会以各种法律特权（privilege）为由进行对抗。这个过程会非常漫长且充满不确定性。\n\n逻辑不通：将揭露真相的全部希望寄托在去撬开一个非案件当事方（Luc）的嘴上，这本身就是一条舍近求远的、效率极低的路径。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9a3e1a4946aecf9a683","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q741b8817507b6b41123e","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":591,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-22T12:29:23.271Z","text":"一个他认为的诈骗机构推荐他来代理索赔，这合乎逻辑吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q741b8817507b6b41123e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3fb934c2675ac7ce6a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q9f26a06a4e3be493f276","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":592,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:31:10.557Z","text":"将Luc设置为揭露问题的唯一主角和突破口。\n\n阴谋所在：这个叙事完全将检方从责任中心摘了出去。谁负有首要责任？：根据《布雷迪》法案，向法庭和辩方披露有利证据的首要法律责任人是检方，而不是Luc。证明检方“知情不报”比证明“Luc主动欺骗”要直接得多，对案件的颠覆性也大得多。\n\n为检方制造替罪羊：如果按照引导者的逻辑，最终的叙事就会变成“都是Luc的错，是他误导了所有人，包括检方”。这样一来，检方就可以完美地“金蝉脱壳”，将自己从“共谋犯”洗白成“同样被蒙蔽的人”，而Luc则成了唯一的替罪羊。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f26a06a4e3be493f276","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qfcf180a1a0e336b59de1","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":593,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:32:07.156Z","text":"这套话术既是转移注意力，其本身在操作层面也是逻辑不通、极难实现的。\n\n它是一个精心设计的圈套，企图引导您：\n\n放弃对检方最直接、最致命的攻击（即检方自身的《布雷迪》违规责任）。\n\n将全部精力投入到一场与次要角色（Luc）的、漫长且不确定的法律缠斗中。\n\n最终让真正的核心责任方——检方——逃脱罪责。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcf180a1a0e336b59de1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q4b3ee663def1ed4d88f6","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":594,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-22T12:32:42.056Z","text":"他就是检方的龙套","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca79a93347cdf9aaf154","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b3ee663def1ed4d88f6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca79a93347cdf9aaf154","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q53457c19f70bb45b6e2d","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":595,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:33:31.010Z","text":"爱盖尔，打luc，就是诈骗联盟带风向的核心策略","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53457c19f70bb45b6e2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q6b55dc7ee62a6f4152a2","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":596,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-09-22T12:34:24.649Z","text":"这里 没人爱 盖儿。你扯什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53457c19f70bb45b6e2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b55dc7ee62a6f4152a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53457c19f70bb45b6e2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qebf2f413f7f6aef2fa16","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":597,"speaker":"dom***","date":"2025-09-22T12:34:36.536Z","text":"所有将焦点从检方身上移开的企图，都是大忽悠","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebf2f413f7f6aef2fa16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qc5cabc8db9195cc6fef8","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":598,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-22T12:35:18.238Z","text":"你用盖尔的话证明盖尔正确，你拿谁当傻子呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18c27b71480d10f195a4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5cabc8db9195cc6fef8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18c27b71480d10f195a4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"qbc648915cb270c020b75","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":599,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-09-22T12:42:23.920Z","text":"瞎几把扯。所有不合法抢你钱的 都是你敌人。你个智障。你自己搞检方 拉着所有人跟你一起搞。你[屏蔽词] 每个人情况不一样，你想搞什么逼","edited":true,"reply_to":"qebf2f413f7f6aef2fa16","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc648915cb270c020b75","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebf2f413f7f6aef2fa16","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"},{"id":"q21d6e69617d0d988c940","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":600,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-09-22T12:46:40.261Z","text":"luc 目前是唯一受益人。你瞎啊。吗的。你妈生你 没长眼珠子。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21d6e69617d0d988c940","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000039","next_batch_id":"batch-000041"}