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se","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20ba44f30d1b201490d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q1ff009f75ab99ddf701b","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":611,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:44:52.667Z","text":"把这一段删了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ff009f75ab99ddf701b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q10bb08d7fa1aff696476","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":612,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-10-06T19:45:33.304Z","text":"To:\n\nClerk of Court\nUnited States District Court\nSouthern District of New York\n500 Pearl Street, Room 200\nNew York, NY 10007","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10bb08d7fa1aff696476","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q54f1b2bee018897034c9","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":613,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-10-06T19:46:03.555Z","text":"对了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54f1b2bee018897034c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qecc936d0c218b17a34d0","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":614,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:47:06.389Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecc936d0c218b17a34d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q7bd4290b39067ec45cb9","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":615,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:47:21.266Z","text":"你ai查一下吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bd4290b39067ec45cb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q549ef83b2e8dbd6d326c","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":616,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:47:29.251Z","text":"我觉得是clerk of the court","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q549ef83b2e8dbd6d326c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q220491a84461cc6301df","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":617,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-10-06T19:47:36.324Z","text":"我这个就是AI查的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q220491a84461cc6301df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q54a7a24cb24991ae02a3","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":618,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-10-06T19:48:26.546Z","text":"📬 邮寄对象 2：检方副本（copy）\n\nAssistant U.S. Attorney\nRyan B. Finkel\nUnited States Attorney’s Office\nSouthern District of New York\nOne Saint Andrew’s Plaza\nNew York, NY 10007","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54a7a24cb24991ae02a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q972c4000edb0d45475cf","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":619,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:48:37.478Z","text":"为什么要给检方我搞不懂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q972c4000edb0d45475cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qbd5e1c1d25414cc9ce39","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":620,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:48:42.776Z","text":"你自己去查为什么 我觉得不需要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd5e1c1d25414cc9ce39","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q9a7365627fbe6992c72e","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":621,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-10-06T19:50:24.886Z","text":"非常好，这个问题非常关键 ⚖️\n\n寄一份副本给 检方（Ryan B. Finkel） 并不是“帮他们”，而是 为了保护你自己、确保你的动议被正式认可为有效提交（properly served）。\n我来一步一步解释为什么必须这样做 👇\n\n⸻\n\n🧾 1. 法律依据：Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure 49(b)\n\n联邦刑事诉讼规则明确规定：\n\n“When a party files a paper, the party must serve a copy on every other party.”\n\n意思是：\n\n当任何一方（包括第三方、Pro Se 自诉人）向法院提交文件时，必须把同一份副本送达给案件的对方（在刑事案中是检方）。\n\n这叫做 service of process（送达程序）。\n\n⸻\n\n⚖️ 2. 如果不送达，法院可能不算“正式提交”\n    •    法院书记员（Clerk）通常在 docket 文件前，会问：\n“Has the filer served the government?”\n    •    如果你没送给检方，书记员有权说：\n“This filing is incomplete or not properly served.”\n\n也就是说，法院可能不 docket 或不审理。\n所以，送给检方其实是为了让法院“不得不承认你已完成程序”，这样：\n✅ 你的动议合法有效\n✅ 检方不能说“没收到，不知情”\n✅ 上诉时你的动议才算“entered into record”\n\n⸻\n\n💡 3. 你寄给检方，不代表你同意他们\n\n这只是程序动作，就像打官司必须“通知对方”一样。\n实际上，这一步反而逼检方回应（他们不能假装不知道你的动议）。\n\n⸻\n\n📬 4. 实际做法\n\n✅ 主件寄法院（原件）\n✅ 副本寄检方（Ryan Finkel）\n信封上写清楚：\n\n“Courtesy Copy – Filed with Court under 21 U.S.C. §853(n) and CVRA”\n\n这样对方知道这只是法庭文件的送达副本。\n\n⸻\n\n我可以帮你：\n    1.    生成一封简短的 送达证明信 (Certificate of Service)，附在文件最后；\n    2.    再帮你排好两个信封（法院 + 检方）的可打印模板。\n\n是否现在就帮你做这两个？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a7365627fbe6992c72e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qf1eabc3f8c3002894167","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":622,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:54:26.318Z","text":"哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1eabc3f8c3002894167","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qe3af399a27817ac5422c","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":623,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:54:27.667Z","text":"好吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3af399a27817ac5422c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q7f2891beedf76f80d5e5","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":624,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T19:54:38.814Z","text":"行的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2891beedf76f80d5e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q75c5ddbebc7382aa856c","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":625,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2025-10-06T20:29:25.340Z","text":"地址错了，公告里有，Assistant United States\nAttorney Ryan Finkel, Jacob K. Javits Federal Building, 26 Federal Plaza, New York, NY\n10278.","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54a7a24cb24991ae02a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75c5ddbebc7382aa856c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54a7a24cb24991ae02a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qb651a5d58d40f45ca6d3","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":626,"speaker":"rod***","date":"2025-10-06T20:30:16.568Z","text":"是room 120不是 room 200，Clerk of the Court, United States District Court, 500 Pearl Street,\nRoom 120, New York, NY 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him***］ pacer有吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ef6e55b345916e0a90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q1dd59beed349ba3f2f04","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":633,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-06T21:45:58.388Z","text":"没","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6ef6e55b345916e0a90","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dd59beed349ba3f2f04","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ef6e55b345916e0a90","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qd867e29b2ee6b4506112","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":634,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T21:46:23.139Z","text":"法官火了 律师提司法欺诈 连律师都不让上了 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当时你当主律师百分之百翻案","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc49d811cd9b8eaf449e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q56a6a452b939b4d64b93","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":658,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T23:23:13.360Z","text":"而且对面毫无胜算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56a6a452b939b4d64b93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q7f7c0a47468cbf20573a","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":659,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T23:23:45.422Z","text":"律师这一行 太他妈闭塞了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f7c0a47468cbf20573a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qd43b5b6458e311de4830","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":660,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T23:24:12.710Z","text":"以后应该需要引入让自然人当辩护战略制定者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd43b5b6458e311de4830","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qa1f647f3f30c7d1451f2","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":661,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T23:24:58.138Z","text":"允许辩方雇佣自然人 民间神探","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1f647f3f30c7d1451f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q6e60426377630f3e53e4","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":662,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T23:25:06.697Z","text":"这样就不可能存在法庭腐败","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e60426377630f3e53e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qe11a6a169a3e64af72e7","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":663,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T23:25:23.791Z","text":"看谁分析案情牛逼让谁上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe11a6a169a3e64af72e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q7df09c2d486c2f2236fd","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":664,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-06T23:29:00.635Z","text":"谁牛逼让谁上。砸郭神探 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法官也只是个打工的 该怎么样就怎么样呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44d5c5862e419e226d21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q5d064c51a865b45bc89a","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":705,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-10-07T01:50:29.413Z","text":"法庭又不是法官的家","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d064c51a865b45bc89a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q4ce5ac78616f0e99e4ec","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":706,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-07T01:51:50.481Z","text":"但是现在有些受害者不是只想拿回钱，有些受害者人家是想继续投资，赚大钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ce5ac78616f0e99e4ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q52328a4d9bb818933512","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":707,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-10-07T01:52:03.418Z","text":"按法规来啊 难道还要去问下川普怎么判才不会影响美国的声望？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52328a4d9bb818933512","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qb96af1f5ee63ccd95949","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-07T01:52:24.658Z","text":"所以有些受害者是想翻案，然后赚大钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb96af1f5ee63ccd95949","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q8ecd756d5f68a52841ad","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":709,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-10-07T01:52:27.461Z","text":"你是其中之一","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4ce5ac78616f0e99e4ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ecd756d5f68a52841ad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ce5ac78616f0e99e4ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q1e95f089299a69611f36","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":710,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-07T01:52:37.799Z","text":"和我有什么关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ecd756d5f68a52841ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e95f089299a69611f36","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ecd756d5f68a52841ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qf42f2ce82203a6e39cf2","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":711,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-10-07T01:52:46.337Z","text":"你要赚大钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf42f2ce82203a6e39cf2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qe44d3159ff23e9d980a4","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":712,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-07T01:53:01.686Z","text":"我赚个毛钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe44d3159ff23e9d980a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qc9c2f7fbb7e86c56908f","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":713,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-07T01:54:10.224Z","text":"你不有投资吗？ 你不想赚钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qed2a4b720557733ca07e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c2f7fbb7e86c56908f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q0c82ac04cd0da21e5a1d","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":714,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-07T01:54:36.449Z","text":"现在看来，就算赔偿，你也拿不到全额","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c82ac04cd0da21e5a1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qa506620cd0a04455899a","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":715,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-07T02:07:55.511Z","text":"🧭 一、现实背景（你描述的情况）\n\n1. 检方提交了 Dkt. 750（政府的回复/主张）。\n\n\n2. 法院并没有命令辩方必须回应。\n\n\n3. 辩方主动提交 Dkt. 752 请求延长时间回复政府（延到 10月6日）。\n\n\n4. 法官（Dkt. 753）批准了延迟。\n\n\n5. 在此期间，初步没收令（POF）没有执行，而 Luc Despins 仍在破产体系下控制并花用财产。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n⚖️ 二、辩方的正确做法（若真正为被告负责）\n\n在这种情况下，辩方的首要义务是保护被告的实质利益——尤其是防止资产被错误归类或被第三方（如破产受托人）耗尽。\n从法律与策略角度，他们本应：\n\n✅ 1. 立即要求法官裁定（Motion to Compel Ruling）\n\n引用：\n\nLocal Criminal Rule 49.1(b)（要求法院对重要动议及时裁定）；\n\nFed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(b)(2)（法院应在初步没收令发布后“及时”处理财产问题）。\n\n\n他们应向法院提交一份简短动议或信函：\n\n> “Your Honor, given the ongoing dissipation of disputed assets, we respectfully request the Court to rule on Defendant’s Motion (Dkt. 748) within the 30-day period to prevent further irreparable harm.”\n\n\n\n这样：\n\n既符合法律程序；\n\n也在为被告争取司法冻结的及时性；\n\n为后续上诉或强制令（mandamus）保留程序记录。\n\n\n\n---\n\n✅ 2. 如果法院仍不裁定，应立即向二巡上诉或申请强制令（Mandamus）\n\n在法官无故拖延或滥用自由裁量权时，辩方应：\n\n向第二巡回法院（2nd Cir.）提交 Petition for Writ of Mandamus；\n\n要求二巡命令SDNY法院及时裁定或采取临时措施保护资产。\n\n\n这一步是完全合法的，尤其在出现“资产正在流失”这种**不可逆损害（irreparable harm）**的前提下。\n\n\n---\n\n✅ 3. 同时要求紧急保护令（Emergency Protective Order）\n\n即便没有法院的正式裁定，辩方也可以提出：\n\n> “Pending the Court’s ruling on Dkt. 748, Defendant respectfully requests a temporary restraint on the bankruptcy trustee’s expenditures related to disputed assets.”\n\n\n\n这种“过渡性保护令”非常常见，用于防止一方在程序空档期耗尽财产。\n（法院如果拒绝，这个拒绝反而会成为被告日后上诉的核心证据。）\n\n\n---\n\n✅ 4. 向检方施压要求执行没收令\n\n政府（DOJ）有义务根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(e) 执行冻结命令。\n辩方应指出：\n\n> “The Government’s refusal to execute its own Preliminary Order of Forfeiture constitutes neglect of duty and prejudices Defendant’s rights.”\n\n\n\n这样能在记录中表明：是检方在拖延、法院在放任、不是辩方无能。\n\n\n---\n\n🚫 三、辩方现在的做法（主动要求延期）意味着什么？\n\n他们现在的行为模式：\n\n没有要求法院裁定；\n\n没有要求保护令；\n\n没有向上级法院申请强制令；\n\n却主动“要多一点时间”来写回应。\n\n\n这表明：\n\n1. 辩方和检方在形成一种“默契拖延”模式；\n\n\n2. 他们知道法院不会在此期间作出裁定；\n\n\n3. 延期的结果是：Luc Despins 可以继续合法地开支资产；\n\n\n4. 等到法官终于开口时，资产早就消耗完了。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n📌 四、如果真想为被告负责，正确的操作顺序应是：\n\n1. Day 25（9月29日前后）\n→ 向法院提交 Motion to Compel Prompt Ruling。\n\n\n2. Day 30（10月4日前后）\n→ 若仍无裁定，向二巡提交 Petition for Writ of Mandamus。\n\n\n3. 同步提交 Emergency Motion for Protective Order\n要求法院临时禁止Luc Despins继续动用资产。\n\n\n4. 记录政府不履行执行职责（Dkt. 750）\n将此纳入法官拖延不作为的证据链。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa506620cd0a04455899a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q4f7274fd551c38fd6c17","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":716,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T02:09:31.177Z","text":"律师肯定不会做什么有用的 但这已经比[屏蔽词]丽娜好很多了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa506620cd0a04455899a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f7274fd551c38fd6c17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa506620cd0a04455899a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q6b6cbbe94360d03b4a25","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":717,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T02:09:53.023Z","text":"绝对可以被司法界讨论一百年","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b6cbbe94360d03b4a25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qef2bb169cb6950b3084c","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":718,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:11:55.364Z","text":"麻痹的  感觉上了一个 哈弗法学院 真几把累啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef2bb169cb6950b3084c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q05317be7536226a804fc","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":719,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-07T02:13:41.273Z","text":"虽然法官拦着自诉动议，但目前为止，从面上看，法官是干坏事的各方里，最不坏的那一个。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05317be7536226a804fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qae2f99fa03999033b041","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":720,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:14:17.444Z","text":"只是取消email  邮件 没有说 取消","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05317be7536226a804fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae2f99fa03999033b041","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05317be7536226a804fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q91c76d12b999142bb00d","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":721,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:14:38.748Z","text":"海外的 确实不方便了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91c76d12b999142bb00d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q6ed0e59b656a4832f36b","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":722,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:14:52.971Z","text":"重庆小哥 抓住了最后机会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ed0e59b656a4832f36b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q01d838bd7c8762557ae5","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":723,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-07T02:16:38.143Z","text":"因为它一直在接受email,你要取消，必须用书面通知。不能用这种类似于暗箱的让人没有投诉或上诉点的方式。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qae2f99fa03999033b041","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01d838bd7c8762557ae5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae2f99fa03999033b041","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q185c02130cc04220c980","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":724,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:17:58.390Z","text":"死脑筋，也就在美国 你们敢 这么叫嚣 官方，在共产国，敢上去叫嚣 ？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q01d838bd7c8762557ae5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q185c02130cc04220c980","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01d838bd7c8762557ae5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qa90424d3a3d98503d821","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":725,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:18:29.714Z","text":"我不是说 你们说的不对，而是 在美国已经很不错了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa90424d3a3d98503d821","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q49ba5bed684de51eb587","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":726,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-07T02:18:40.959Z","text":"共产党有共产党的玩法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q185c02130cc04220c980","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49ba5bed684de51eb587","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q185c02130cc04220c980","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q15969fe4717698fbacb9","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":727,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:19:03.659Z","text":"所以你们要寻找 美国的玩法   他既然这样 不要 哭着要糖吃，要想办法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15969fe4717698fbacb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qfed79af09ce907953c66","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":728,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-07T02:20:08.871Z","text":"这么久了  至少2周了  你们还在纠结  逼逼 他没有按程序拦截","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed79af09ce907953c66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q8ed4e690bddf7d50de54","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":729,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T02:20:33.624Z","text":"螺丝哥知道 我之前有一招很恶心的招数 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主动修正程序性崩塌","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ec3b8258ad6514fa1e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qbc9533b780ff933ef3fb","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":751,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-07T07:02:22.289Z","text":"这个越不越权","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ec3b8258ad6514fa1e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc9533b780ff933ef3fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ec3b8258ad6514fa1e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q7c063311c44d98a10114","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":752,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:02:22.971Z","text":"律师让检方去拿luc的钱 等于承认非法没收的合法性","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c063311c44d98a10114","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q997c3e6e5d0ebc235be7","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":753,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:02:27.845Z","text":"不越权","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc9533b780ff933ef3fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q997c3e6e5d0ebc235be7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc9533b780ff933ef3fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q335873a4b9f8c4e56415","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":754,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:02:43.213Z","text":"我现在说什么都不会越权 除了直接骂人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q335873a4b9f8c4e56415","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qbfd73292ac41e509cc31","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":755,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:03:31.961Z","text":"由于欺诈法庭 luc 检方都没有资格拿钱 应该废除没收令 让第三方主导再开","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c063311c44d98a10114","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfd73292ac41e509cc31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c063311c44d98a10114","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qd6e932060996e10848a4","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":756,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-07T07:03:48.080Z","text":"所以要交给第三方？他们现在讨论的不是这个事儿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c063311c44d98a10114","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6e932060996e10848a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c063311c44d98a10114","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q04ee0925adad1c60a88b","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":757,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:04:06.125Z","text":"所以他们的讨论的东西从根上就是犯法的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6e932060996e10848a4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04ee0925adad1c60a88b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6e932060996e10848a4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q254cc0d7dd3b71b0025a","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":758,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:04:15.164Z","text":"都欺诈法庭了 你一个月不理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q254cc0d7dd3b71b0025a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qe51ea5330f2dd48b3b34","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":759,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:04:18.920Z","text":"律师不理 法官不理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51ea5330f2dd48b3b34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qca14d9b11768024810d6","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":760,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:04:23.519Z","text":"你继续非法没收？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca14d9b11768024810d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q7a5143165a507b4a0a66","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":761,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:04:28.362Z","text":"律师装瞎？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a5143165a507b4a0a66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qd36ef333cd3675f490b8","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":762,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:05:04.631Z","text":"律师和检方这一通打的来回 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会给法官检察官luc带来分别什么压力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd316e12947069e64d21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"qa00ddade0e8daca3d66c","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":775,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-07T07:14:46.335Z","text":"对，不能再这样问了，答案没意义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa00ddade0e8daca3d66c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q5d759d30e9bf0b1b4d07","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":776,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-07T07:21:24.275Z","text":"辩方一项都没做啊，如果真是这样，那还是赶紧量刑的好，不然钱被花光了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa506620cd0a04455899a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d759d30e9bf0b1b4d07","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa506620cd0a04455899a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q4a88358904ba98f5ab3e","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":777,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-07T07:22:15.954Z","text":"她只是不想趟浑水，所以摆烂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05317be7536226a804fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a88358904ba98f5ab3e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05317be7536226a804fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q91a68b3e0d4c8d84d22c","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":778,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-07T07:23:59.416Z","text":"gpt是这样，但只是在可能性范围内顺着你回答，但法条和判例写死的它不会乱说。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91ce76fe0ec76357838e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91a68b3e0d4c8d84d22c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91ce76fe0ec76357838e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q32cc5278b3b1f43daad0","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":779,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-07T07:29:24.262Z","text":"也不需量刑，司法冻结不意味着已经完成所有权转移到政府，只是完成所有权转移到政府的必要步骤。先冻结，让luc不能控制和挥霍是必须的一步，也是最容易达到的一步，破产法庭认定g系列属于被告是错的，就不应该破产扣押，luc不能再控制本案财产，破产法庭的认定没问题，那么本案财产就是被告犯罪所得，luc依然没有资格继续控制本案财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d759d30e9bf0b1b4d07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32cc5278b3b1f43daad0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d759d30e9bf0b1b4d07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q1a28489e25b42d932307","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":780,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-07T07:33:20.142Z","text":"所以破产法庭执法错误","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a28489e25b42d932307","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000045"},{"id":"q18b4cb7c3ee90bc4938f","batch_id":"batch-000045","seq":781,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-07T07:34:11.331Z","text":"stay 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