{"id":"batch-000047","number":47,"revision":1,"date_start":"2025-10-13T15:58:52.138Z","date_end":"2025-10-17T14:15:49.237Z","total_messages":1000,"summary":"本期讨论围绕郭案相关的司法程序推进、维权策略及社群内部分歧展开。主要焦点集中在第二巡回上诉法院的Mandamus强制令与§853(n)刑事没收程序的选择上：一部分成员主张利用CVRA受害者权利结合强制令向二巡施压，探讨独立上诉与联名申请的利弊及法律/费用风险；另一部分成员则关注地方法院动议进展、初审法官态度及破产受托人Luc的法律身份与证据有效性。此外，围绕破产文件签名的真伪、是否聘请专业律师代理、众筹资助的合规性以及向农场联盟追责等议题，群内展开了激烈交锋；期间亦穿插了借电视剧《天道》与哲学宗教思维类比司法博弈的思辨，以及多起关于社群规则和立场的争吵。","guide":[{"title":"二巡法院Mandamus强制令申请与诉求策略探讨","message_ids":["q1787ee9388465687898c","q803b36aeccce3242564a","q2b6f3d56d2b5f32250a4"]},{"title":"21 U.S.C. 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几百万的 你们都不丢脸？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8e40df5659b250d4d31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q308a17d1d09283f709db","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":602,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-10-15T23:00:27.821Z","text":"应该不会被踢，我在老椅子群里只谈案情，其他的我也不了解详情，目前还是应该聚焦案情，其他事情以后说也不迟，本来人就不多，互相攻击的结果就是更没几个人了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q308a17d1d09283f709db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd33a7e5b9009b36aa108","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":603,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-15T23:00:41.596Z","text":"你们的财富和智商根本就不匹配 迟早返贫","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd33a7e5b9009b36aa108","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe5bf352f00cbfb7cbc1e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":604,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-15T23:02:08.724Z","text":"老郭出来第一件事不是灭共 是清算这一批人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q066b2e4e20f37a89528b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5bf352f00cbfb7cbc1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q066b2e4e20f37a89528b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0807df942754cfb54176","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":605,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-15T23:02:47.147Z","text":"一根筋，是遗传。我的家族，是遗传自我爷爷。另类。看热闹，也许好玩。但是，让你经历这样的人生，非常痛苦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0807df942754cfb54176","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q7c9b883b59e59daf6dd3","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":606,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-15T23:03:22.704Z","text":"你要是在美国 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他们本身并不上班","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb741c1904471fcb580f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82de17b5e5abc3a21975","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb741c1904471fcb580f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc7f457fafce5ada47e53","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":608,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:50:07.015Z","text":"过去一周，郭先生一个一个地打电话给（投资人）过去的椅子、参与借款项目的人、买G-Club的人，希望他们能退掉投资。\n\n为什么这么做呢？\n因为G系列是一个投资，不是赌博。你投不投G系列，跟爆料革命、跟反共和灭共、跟我们追求体面的生活，没有任何绝对的关系。首先，你要具备有投资的能力和基本条件，包括你的生活和经济条件。\n#灭共和G系列投资没有绝对的关系。\n有些不需要投资的去投资了、还有勉强投资的，你是在害七哥、害爆料革命，你是在帮共产党。\n所有战友参与所谓借项目，还是投资G系列，大家记住：所有的后果七哥承担一切责任；七哥承担责任的时候，也有责任和义务和权力要求战友们，就像要求战友们在保证自己安全和生活有保障、不影响家人的情况下，你再支持灭共、再支持爆料革命、再投资G系列。\n\n郭文贵先生直播（03/24/2021）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7f457fafce5ada47e53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q08b4452f67ac52dca80f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":609,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:50:46.109Z","text":"郭先生早就知道老椅子是啥货色，早就打电话让他们退投资了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08b4452f67ac52dca80f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q72c5039f8e95aa212f9c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":610,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:51:53.977Z","text":"🤦\n仔细想想：\n\n郭先生啥时候打电话给不是老椅子的战友退投资款了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c5039f8e95aa212f9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q3e1934eb9293bee91635","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":611,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:55:26.009Z","text":"况且很多老椅子是拿到了投资退款的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e1934eb9293bee91635","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q90666cd11e8a13de46ae","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":612,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T00:00:07.012Z","text":"我感觉每个个体，每个个人的自诉非常重要，非常重要，非常重要，也是必须的，必须的，必须有人来做","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7438f7ea5b67af961f85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90666cd11e8a13de46ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7438f7ea5b67af961f85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc6bb20d72a76daed072b","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":613,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T00:02:21.395Z","text":"我自诉模版可以让我参考的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6bb20d72a76daed072b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0b86b0b740702cc85a34","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":614,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-10-16T00:06:42.256Z","text":"729，733，734，738","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b86b0b740702cc85a34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qdbae660c168d343d4b31","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":615,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T00:44:08.112Z","text":"是的。老椅子都不见了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e1934eb9293bee91635","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbae660c168d343d4b31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e1934eb9293bee91635","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q92e35a674b5610506a4e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":616,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T00:49:58.739Z","text":"据传，有些农场跟退款的战友还签了保密协议：想拿到退款就必须签协议，就是不能起诉农场领导层。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92e35a674b5610506a4e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qbfccc4831c56df276772","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":617,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T00:56:13.058Z","text":"退了款 起诉农场主 意义在哪？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfccc4831c56df276772","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q4d6a0839167c4abb5134","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":618,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T00:56:17.200Z","text":"逻辑不通吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d6a0839167c4abb5134","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0aed01adbaf148680764","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":619,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T01:04:32.080Z","text":"因为农场没有把战友们的投资款汇到指定的银行账号！就是它们把战友们的投资款留在农场领导层的账号里！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aed01adbaf148680764","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q58de26f17e3a323fef1d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":620,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T01:07:14.709Z","text":"说白了就是它们压根不想让战友们投资G系列！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58de26f17e3a323fef1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qad52cdd93b9c5228ea7d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":621,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T01:10:24.608Z","text":"也就是说战友们的投资款不止是法庭文件上被冻结的那些钱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad52cdd93b9c5228ea7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q7e66a0111ef15ac3a1db","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":622,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:15:29.372Z","text":"老椅子就是投资早的人吧？不一定是有钱人吧。再说钱也不一定是他们自己挣的吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b3da11018accd0bed76","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e66a0111ef15ac3a1db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qcac71fefd1091daa9832","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":623,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:16:59.942Z","text":"哦，不太清楚具体情况。怪不得联盟天天维稳老椅子。😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce9238e86dcef60fdf99","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac71fefd1091daa9832","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8db5b5ea30ccfc9f4786","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":624,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:17:55.773Z","text":"这也不是花钱的问题，你得找的着律师啊。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dd89a2a5ef0e63edeb2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8db5b5ea30ccfc9f4786","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q3fca43413628b62a0ea7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":625,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:19:17.454Z","text":"但是他们宁愿花钱请盖尔，gaverman","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fca43413628b62a0ea7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa406e7a33a21f4a077a8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":626,"speaker":"ran***","date":"2025-10-16T01:33:45.731Z","text":"所谓老椅子🪑乌合之众而已","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20bb4ee61feeeeb269dc","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa406e7a33a21f4a077a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb82aae291277e90c93e9","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":627,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-10-16T01:37:41.893Z","text":"这里补充一下：受托人Luc并不是第三方，他在本案中严格说没有身份。引用之前在老椅子群的留言：\n\nLuc在751里说了，他本来不该在刑事庭说话的，因为按照法庭令528，他没有身份。但他还是跳出来支持检方750、反对辩方724动议，他是坐不住了吗？他为什么对724指责他消耗破产财产视而不见？\n\n郭先生在724里已经直指本案最恶躲在暗处的Luc。Luc是制造上千受害人叙事的核心，是本案程序不公的始作俑者。\n\n战友们去看528法庭令，除了本案的原告政府、三名被告之外，我们作为853n程序下的第三方善意投资人，是可以上庭说话的，其他人一概没有身份，法庭已经按照法律再次重申了我们的权利。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa854bd4c993cf5ccf957","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb82aae291277e90c93e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa854bd4c993cf5ccf957","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1a19a030d302d0bd86e7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":628,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:40:14.863Z","text":"Luc在528之前都发了n个动议了","edited":false,"repl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party","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d9d68c663cdd8e59255","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2e2517a98b35f8d3390c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":636,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:41:47.602Z","text":"就是第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e2517a98b35f8d3390c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":637,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:42:01.268Z","text":"只要不是被告和检方，其他人都是第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfa08391860800d821eec","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":638,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:42:06.760Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa08391860800d821eec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":639,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-10-16T01:42:52.254Z","text":"先反击Luc，因为有证据他的行为失当。检方的问题要靠Luc作证之后进一步披露出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qdbec844b063415213937","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":640,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:46:01.066Z","text":"打luc不需要提检方，但是733已经提到检方luc欺诈法庭了。你如果引用733，就等于检方luc一起打。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbec844b063415213937","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa91a15abcb7d90e24e62","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":641,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-16T01:52:51.876Z","text":"老江跟螺丝哥相比，就是天壤之别。\n真的假不了，假的真不了。\n唯真不破。\n螺丝哥最可贵的地方就是他的真实。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41e53cfd4cc95d15f79d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91a15abcb7d90e24e62","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41e53cfd4cc95d15f79d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2fa9686bb44bc8cdee29","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":642,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:53:11.062Z","text":"我的733都上去了 何必脱了裤子放屁","edited":false,"reply_to":"q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fa9686bb44bc8cdee29","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q061020d1586249f3fdff","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":643,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T01:53:31.722Z","text":"检方选择引用破产法庭文件，对破产法庭文件作为刑事案证据的完整性，合法性和有效性没有进行审查，就作为刑事案的呈堂证供，这会严重误导陪审团。这是必须要在案件里谈的事情，另外，检方明知虚假债权,不但把luc引入刑事案，而且极其恶劣的是，拖延执行没收令，让不再有资格控制本案财产的luc继续控制本案财产，这是故意要让虚假债权来瓜分本案财产，这些财产是属于它有义务保护的它口中的受害者的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061020d1586249f3fdff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8b2bb7dbd90a4062fc5f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":644,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:54:41.284Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q061020d1586249f3fdff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b2bb7dbd90a4062fc5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061020d1586249f3fdff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q4549ce27d52bf43e4336","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":645,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T01:55:33.988Z","text":"并且这是在被告已经指出luc已经挥霍了6000多万美金的情况下，根据最近更新的破产法庭文件，luc在初步没收令下达后，还在继续花费本案财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4549ce27d52bf43e4336","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q72a873d706b2fc31c3d1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":646,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:56:00.804Z","text":"都拿到退款了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dd89a2a5ef0e63edeb2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72a873d706b2fc31c3d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q82e76264b57469db6b20","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":647,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:56:43.621Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dd89a2a5ef0e63edeb2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82e76264b57469db6b20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb215fe98259f4d17ada4","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":648,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:57:54.798Z","text":"老椅子和 铁血组 联盟 绑一起的😂 这次全部一起 臭大街了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb215fe98259f4d17ada4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q58b8532ffb429e265444","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":649,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T01:58:24.252Z","text":"现在的情况，南区法庭的性质也属于极其恶劣，就是要让不再具备资格控制本案财产的luc继续挥霍本案财产。检方拖延执行初步没收令还公然挑衅法院，你法院发个冻结令的事情，被挑衅了都不发。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58b8532ffb429e265444","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5bf5691a21190e190254","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":650,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:58:32.041Z","text":"他们这辈子是 洗不干净了。和联盟绑一个战车上了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bf5691a21190e190254","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q29059ddb120d21a93841","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":651,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T02:00:00.387Z","text":"曾经意淫 自己以后是 体面的老椅子。老钱。没想到才几年就变 臭鱼烂虾 躲躲藏藏。不敢再冒头🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29059ddb120d21a93841","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":652,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:08:35.430Z","text":"不是已经有你了吗？消息闭塞，今天才知道有自诉这个环节","edited":false,"reply_to":"q971c9f6e1d9d0604efa5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":653,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:09:01.255Z","text":"对了，最早寄纸质动议的也应该到了好几天了吧，法院还还是没有上传，有人打电话问了什么情况了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q00d0943d8761826863e6","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":654,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:10:02.597Z","text":"有点晚了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00d0943d8761826863e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":655,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:10:07.060Z","text":"加紧吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q17fa4e10a3e9a3cecdbe","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":656,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:15:27.779Z","text":"好的，明天前完成，有战友帮忙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17fa4e10a3e9a3cecdbe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb2d5a8985fc7626077cc","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":657,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:16:10.506Z","text":"螺丝哥视频在哪里？X账户链接再发一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d5a8985fc7626077cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q56dd1b5ff5e71abc71f1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":658,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:16:25.618Z","text":"反正之前说的是因为保护隐私都不上传了。不知道现在是不是还是这样。14天内不上传，就可以去二巡了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56dd1b5ff5e71abc71f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd109612c7991aae33f9a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":659,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:17:35.263Z","text":"277个群战友，也不少人呢，估计有一半也是卧底吧，还是要防止带风向","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd109612c7991aae33f9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":660,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:29:36.912Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］  ［用户 chu***］ 你们之前给检方发布雷迪然后再给辩方发，辩方律师有没有哪怕辞令性的回复一下？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q00d0943d8761826863e6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00d0943d8761826863e6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfba89d60095388c79e34","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":661,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:32:00.098Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming?s=21 ［用户 qi_***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfba89d60095388c79e34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5179a4dbca0a010441f1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":662,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:33:01.510Z","text":"我前几天给他们发邮件希望他们代我向被告问好，然后希望他们能向二巡申请强制令将本案财产转交独立第三方，这样有利于被告量刑后的上诉。那位主律师还给我辞令性的回复了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbc534c41565c4a74c81","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5179a4dbca0a010441f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q29c699081b79640cc329","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":663,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:33:47.129Z","text":"就是说由于法律原因，不能有进一步的讨论。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c699081b79640cc329","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q3d9899ad98f7ed195a5c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":664,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:34:15.125Z","text":"对头","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe50a3e3b6e1f42bb1995","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d9899ad98f7ed195a5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q135e23b818d07c922f2f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":665,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:35:01.229Z","text":"你们也是第一次辞令性的回复了一下？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44409b31363efcced0eb","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q135e23b818d07c922f2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q07d4c30ebca54fcdda61","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":666,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:35:39.404Z","text":"她就理了我第一次","edited":false,"reply_to":"q135e23b818d07c922f2f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07d4c30ebca54fcdda61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q135e23b818d07c922f2f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb9070c2d4bf34c7558ce","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":667,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:39:37.989Z","text":"政府10月份关门，本来联邦给公设辩护人拨款在10月份恢复，现在是不是拨款因为政府关门又延迟了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9070c2d4bf34c7558ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc8b3a943c6591c2afe47","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":668,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:50:39.996Z","text":"辩方不可能对受害人或者潜在受害人有任何回复","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8b3a943c6591c2afe47","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q97cd1447cee9795478f8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":669,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:51:55.666Z","text":"他们不可以和第三方，尤其是在法庭上发动议的第三方，有任何交流","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29c699081b79640cc329","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97cd1447cee9795478f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c699081b79640cc329","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q661f13ff2159e2bca630","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":670,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:52:25.710Z","text":"谢谢，已经加了，看到了，非常震撼，还是有真战友，真正的行动，要捍卫自己的权益，自己行动，给你们点赞，同时给，今天才知道这些内容，给你减一分","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfba89d60095388c79e34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q661f13ff2159e2bca630","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfba89d60095388c79e34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc534e2e48b72f4d08796","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":671,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:54:49.799Z","text":"她不理你才是正常的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44409b31363efcced0eb","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc534e2e48b72f4d08796","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q290aa5b8ddae2e3e46c5","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":672,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025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如果有新来的老椅子，欢迎你们尽情发言。这个地方，是全网唯一真正言论自由的郭文贵社区。砸锅，挺郭，都随便。你们就是R我祖祖辈辈，我也不会拉黑屏蔽踢人。只有一个原则，不要刷屏！骂人也随便!但是，骂人等垃圾内容，尽快停下来，或者去另外房间发泄。不管砸锅，挺郭，骂人，等等，只要不刷屏恶心别人，就可以畅所欲言。我已经做到了，到现在，只拉黑过一个恶意空白刷屏的人，到现在，没有拉黑剔除第二个","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q143eb7b26b40a46bbc3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8a70beda1a625030e040","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":676,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-16T03:05:10.936Z","text":"是你投诉到二巡了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb52d97a581056e85071e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a70beda1a625030e040","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb52d97a581056e85071e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q7004d9c97e4146fdd4a5","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":677,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-16T03:06:20.809Z","text":"减一分是啥意思？因为瑞恩没有私信你这些信息吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q661f13ff2159e2bca630","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7004d9c97e4146fdd4a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q661f13ff2159e2bca630","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q36c0b54dff501e2b1e42","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":678,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:07:00.187Z","text":"新来的人可以去pro se自诉房间找到你们需要的信息","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36c0b54dff501e2b1e42","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":679,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T03:09:02.535Z","text":"初步没收令程序，只有十来天了。到了没收通告的60天，检方一定会立刻申请关闭初步没收程序，甚至立刻申请最终没收令。哪怕现在法庭不给上传自诉介入的文件，如果你想参与这个案件，接下来的一个星期，是你最后合法参与的机会。法庭不给上传，是法庭违法。但是，一旦过了60天，检方申请关闭初步没收程序，申请最终没收令，你再给法庭发请愿或动议，就是你违法骚扰法庭了!  [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf2f0bf0462fddff815c9","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":680,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:09:09.974Z","text":"减一分是因为他自己现在才发现联盟以外的信息渠道😂 ？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7004d9c97e4146fdd4a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2f0bf0462fddff815c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7004d9c97e4146fdd4a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb2ba6a78014086224568","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":681,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:10:10.606Z","text":"离没收程序结束不到10天了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ba6a78014086224568","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2aa9753899687d7374f1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":682,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T03:11:00.567Z","text":"一个星期。去除周末，就剩小几天而已了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2ba6a78014086224568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa9753899687d7374f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ba6a78014086224568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5334380dbe8dd4ba403d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":683,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:11:07.493Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1976273111839539221","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5334380dbe8dd4ba403d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q66cfd7c0d76f4a03d314","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":684,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:12:06.040Z","text":"如果现在发纸质动议来不及的话，可以发电子邮件要求延期，死马当活马医吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66cfd7c0d76f4a03d314","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q169d4cc9d6db302895a7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":685,"speaker":"404***","date":"2025-10-16T03:12:35.843Z","text":"电子邮件没用吧…","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q169d4cc9d6db302895a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qcfd4996f5ac4e7cdd68e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":686,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:15.503Z","text":"反正南区法院的官网上写，他们接受电子邮件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfd4996f5ac4e7cdd68e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q446be56968c4a03ba456","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":687,"speaker":"404***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:20.244Z","text":"哦哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q446be56968c4a03ba456","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0b3a07df54644a735649","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":688,"speaker":"404***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:47.746Z","text":"太黑暗了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b3a07df54644a735649","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q7d03f5f33c4681c03fd0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":689,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:56.347Z","text":"纸质证据更好，但是实在没时间，只能发电子邮件了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d03f5f33c4681c03fd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5e6c50920c359f7045a1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":690,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T03:24:45.032Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  还剩十天 大家赶紧自己理解 能理解到什么程度就发什么 千万不要抄别人 自己理解 自己自诉 去中心化","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e6c50920c359f7045a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe77a3a7226f9729152ed","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":691,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T03:31:32.050Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 这里，砸锅，挺郭的都有，当然也有好多人认为的好多特务。所以，如果你们介意所谓的特务，比如好多人说是特务的黄河边先生，西诺先生，如果你介意，说话就自己小心一些。在我眼里，没有特务，因为我，包括绝大多数普通人，是不可能拿到任何人是特务的证据的。所以，在我眼里，没有特务。郭文贵刑事案件，和特务，和共产党，没有直接关系。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77a3a7226f9729152ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q6ea455282c4499d27385","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":692,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T04:48:36.563Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  大律师peter已经不敢说话了🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ea455282c4499d27385","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q78abb74ed055d1ea75f0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":693,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T05:09:45.248Z","text":"老椅子来这里肯定震动青藤啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78abb74ed055d1ea75f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8f3162cb897fe9add079","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":694,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-16T05:50:35.951Z","text":"最后十来天，不管853n还是cvra都不行了是吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f3162cb897fe9add079","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q30c0c823dd1b22b2bec8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":695,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T07:07:24.979Z","text":"［用户 xia***］  ［用户 lao***］  ［用户 lao***］  ［用户 _si***］  ［用户 mik***］ 欢迎你们，这里百分之百言论自由畅所欲言，砸锅挺郭都欢迎。联盟农场绝对不可能给你的言论自由，这里有","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30c0c823dd1b22b2bec8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qac6e889e25b6cb555bd0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":696,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T07:09:47.937Z","text":"到了60天，检方应该会有动作结束初步没收程序，法官肯定像上次一样，立刻同意。一旦法官同意命令下达，再给法庭发动议，就是骚扰法庭。法官貌似非常喜欢检方啊，哈哈哈哈😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f3162cb897fe9add079","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac6e889e25b6cb555bd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f3162cb897fe9add079","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa8e25ae0e55b92d328d0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":697,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T07:13:57.048Z","text":"二巡就可以让托雷斯知道厉害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8e25ae0e55b92d328d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc30db09a8dee061e945f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":698,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T07:51:13.820Z","text":"已经进入程序的，也就是有你的动议已经被上传，就可以继续发。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8c76a654bc8732728bab","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":699,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T07:53:07.655Z","text":"我估计不会允许。除非之前的情愿或动议有回应有斗法，否则，60天结束，不会允许再发布任何意见。检方，法庭，都想这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c76a654bc8732728bab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qaf8c9e14106b59850e54","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":700,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T07:57:00.621Z","text":"不是这样。这不是允许，这是权利。那个60天是给相关方进入程序的机会。没有及时进入，就证明了你自己放弃了权利。进入之后，就没有限制，可以去核实一下。ai给我的回复就是这样。按常理也是这样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c76a654bc8732728bab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8c9e14106b59850e54","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c76a654bc8732728bab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc1161e99ce9377edf518","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":701,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T08:01:25.293Z","text":"已经上传的不受60天限制？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1161e99ce9377edf518","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q829a9814517eaa378d66","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":702,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:02:29.402Z","text":"真不是。实际上，没人搭理，更应该去主张。只要有新情况，新的发现，新的主张。就算没有新情况，它也不能随便禁止。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0d1b47b6ec29aba4882","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q829a9814517eaa378d66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2c29fcc8214bd1b8eeec","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":703,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:02:44.920Z","text":"我查询的情况是这样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1161e99ce9377edf518","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c29fcc8214bd1b8eeec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1161e99ce9377edf518","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":704,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T08:03:13.753Z","text":"老椅子们动起来吧，啥都不为就为你的 投资你也应该抓住这个唯一的机会","edited":false,"reply_to":"q143eb7b26b40a46bbc3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q143eb7b26b40a46bbc3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":705,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:03:35.310Z","text":"只要进入了程序，后面想到什么需要补充的，就再发一封。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q91f6999517825a522fdf","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":706,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:03:40.566Z","text":"如果是这样，就太好了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q829a9814517eaa378d66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91f6999517825a522fdf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q829a9814517eaa378d66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2ba7e1783d0501f4b491","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":707,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:04:19.136Z","text":"看盖尔的动作，他就是这么干的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ba7e1783d0501f4b491","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":708,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:05:31.214Z","text":"当然你不能明显可以一次说完的，一次说一句话这样发。只要按照常理不是故意频繁发就行。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":709,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:08:15.965Z","text":"这个案子的所有同案犯庭审记录都是在同一个庭审卷宗里吗？之前王雁平对应的那个初步没收令，那些进入程序的853能否在716这个没收令说话？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb8c2d9e6d797e825288a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":710,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:08:27.824Z","text":"我第一次上去，就是想起来就发一个。所以，法官抓了我的把柄，全部驳回。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8c2d9e6d797e825288a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q572ec9ea600c27ee9d9d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":711,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:09:22.004Z","text":"王艳萍的所有第三方，会和老郭这次的第三方一起合并处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q572ec9ea600c27ee9d9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2cd170dba7e9648f6496","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":712,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:09:38.804Z","text":"还有，我查询到的是，如果是受害者，可以在庭审的任何阶段介入。没有仔细研究，大家可以再核实一下。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd170dba7e9648f6496","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd820e330c42788720591","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":713,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-16T08:20:14.513Z","text":"行动，行动，把农场和联盟起诉了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd820e330c42788720591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8b071c6df989dc976568","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":714,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T09:53:16.974Z","text":"老椅子哪还有投资都领完了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q70462ede476d10cee0fc","batch_id":"batch-000047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Bankman-Fried）还没有出狱。他在2024年3月被判处25年监禁，目前仍在服刑，预计最早也要到2044年12月左右才能释放（考虑到良好行为减刑）。最近的报道显示，他被转移到加州洛杉矶的Terminal Island低安全级联邦监狱，但没有获释的消息","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77bf248754f7275dfa56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe38edcf798a570373916","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":719,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T11:36:04.429Z","text":"那老椅子跟爆料革命还有啥关系？没有回投的？没有买喜币的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe38edcf798a570373916","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe4443d63bd717ca4efa2","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":720,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-16T12:01:45.980Z","text":"谁说的，你又代表老椅子说话了？叫你不要乱吹牛逼，要不然，又要遭我给你灌屎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4443d63bd717ca4efa2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qccfcdfadf4b0260e4c59","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":721,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T12:02:54.482Z","text":"［用户 wen***］ 欢迎你，这里百分之百言论自由畅所欲言，联盟农场绝对不可能给你的言论自由，这里百分之百你可以拥有。百分之五，怎么界定啊？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccfcdfadf4b0260e4c59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q9dd69001b4bfe121cd90","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":722,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T13:06:50.067Z","text":"哈哈哈哈哈😂 要被这个名字笑死了。文字倍还5%🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dd69001b4bfe121cd90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q666e3527b953713084d3","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":723,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:06:58.804Z","text":"https://x.com/nyshangrilafarm/status/1978609226919592284?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q666e3527b953713084d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa449fe029961ce6a8c77","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":724,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:07:24.624Z","text":"联盟好像在为律师不整体不当开脱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa449fe029961ce6a8c77","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":725,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:07:46.020Z","text":"说是这个协议是老郭自己签的 用什么猎狐行动辩护","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":726,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:10:02.459Z","text":"这都是无关紧要的。事实就是700文件里说郭对老律师团队不满。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf6a90c52f91bcd3801af","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":727,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:10:43.605Z","text":"除了法律文件，谁都别信","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6a90c52f91bcd3801af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0fdacbb237441d76fa1a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":728,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-16T13:10:58.350Z","text":"好好说话，你和文斌有仇找他报去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fdacbb237441d76fa1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q33d26505e8abebb9503c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":729,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:11:08.430Z","text":"我的问题是 这东西是不是法律文件里面的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d26505e8abebb9503c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q22b44bc6706278a0c1ad","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:11:25.789Z","text":"谁知道，700文件涂黑那么多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22b44bc6706278a0c1ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q72adf5fdef32c43fec3c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":731,"speaker":"199***","date":"2025-10-16T13:14:52.900Z","text":"那个文件去年5月提交法庭，现在拿出来炒冷饭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72adf5fdef32c43fec3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8277067e14b644102e5f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":732,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T13:35:44.181Z","text":"goveman 代理的 大额估计是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe38edcf798a570373916","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8277067e14b644102e5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe38edcf798a570373916","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q12365f60abf79cbc3cc4","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":733,"speaker":"199***","date":"2025-10-16T13:39:01.494Z","text":"老椅子有不少回投的，长岛组织的，还有数字银行，后来的A10","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12365f60abf79cbc3cc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q52ba35ce28523551a300","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":734,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T13:39:44.256Z","text":"这不就是718文件的附件啊？回锅肉再搞搞。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52ba35ce28523551a300","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q84a2d519b98d16b04777","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":735,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T13:40:58.338Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 新进来的，有没有老椅子，聊聊。探讨一下没收程序的钱，你们被扣押的钱最多，不敢说话啊？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84a2d519b98d16b04777","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8a7fbc9ed94a4e271da2","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":736,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T13:41:02.858Z","text":"就是不提 733😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a7fbc9ed94a4e271da2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q18aabe4983c6600bf285","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":737,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:42:44.769Z","text":"老椅子看到这群都反联盟，还有一群砸锅的比如黄河边西诺，吓到了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84a2d519b98d16b04777","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18aabe4983c6600bf285","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84a2d519b98d16b04777","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5134fb11cc0ede76c774","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":738,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:43:34.768Z","text":"要不然就是怕被瑞恩骂😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5134fb11cc0ede76c774","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfa5bc9881aa6cb95cff3","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":739,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T14:18:19.366Z","text":"比 luc 还麻痹  不要脸啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa5bc9881aa6cb95cff3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qbccf898301d05a89025f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":740,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T14:19:26.428Z","text":"luc 费用 都是 受害人支付的 这个狗比","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbccf898301d05a89025f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q65828553739edbfa236e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":741,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T14:22:03.474Z","text":"明天就截止了 ，这个逼 在  最后时刻 站出来反对 老子们索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65828553739edbfa236e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q62a3a93988ec85226167","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":742,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T14:34:00.796Z","text":"所谓的老椅子绝大部分是有钱的钻营分子，只图钱，其他都是幌子，可笑老郭拿他们当宝贝。最后惦记他的却是一群穷人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18aabe4983c6600bf285","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18aabe4983c6600bf285","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q716a884b080c47534d7b","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:35:20.867Z","text":"可能也有好人吧，不用一棍子打死","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716a884b080c47534d7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q895bf9302e77ffc76749","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":744,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T14:36:06.000Z","text":"我说绝大部分","edited":false,"reply_to":"q716a884b080c47534d7b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q895bf9302e77ffc76749","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716a884b080c47534d7b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":745,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:04.707Z","text":"只能说在中国好人很难发财","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":746,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:15.923Z","text":"在哪都是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfc919bf49ffceda12f42","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":747,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:25.700Z","text":"国外好点儿","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc919bf49ffceda12f42","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q56a90821f7896b6cbece","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":748,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:41.978Z","text":"好人的定义不是没用的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56a90821f7896b6cbece","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe8f375f199bf9ae95750","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":749,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:59.458Z","text":"在国外，如果你很有才能，都可以发财","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8f375f199bf9ae95750","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qcd3812157e1e62d88cc8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":750,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T15:44:27.313Z","text":"你永远也不知道 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啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d531a9365257ef051c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q382b35a4280bc7b09041","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":753,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T16:04:25.940Z","text":"https://x.com/dDiVul8m3g82864/status/1978846586751819824?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382b35a4280bc7b09041","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q273c5abaf5eb4808dcbc","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":754,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T16:19:31.272Z","text":"@你学习a先生，搞精美视频，天天喊，钱没了，方便面也吃不上了，只能和自来水充饥了。行不行啊？卖惨，学习好声音","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q273c5abaf5eb4808dcbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":755,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T16:45:10.251Z","text":"他怎么干的这么卖力呢？动力是仇恨吗？还是减刑啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q382b35a4280bc7b09041","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382b35a4280bc7b09041","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q77216fec61967e211f10","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":756,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T16:53:58.714Z","text":"也许人家就是纯粹娱乐啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77216fec61967e211f10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf09c1e9b5f473afa28d7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":757,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T20:54:58.957Z","text":"https://x.com/AsiaFinance/status/1978860189836247304?s=33","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf09c1e9b5f473afa28d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5757449b055c5d90c77f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":758,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T20:55:13.245Z","text":"提到郭文贵","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5757449b055c5d90c77f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q63a3dd058fb8fa2f991e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":759,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:06:19.195Z","text":"基督教 有没有类似丁元英 禅宗的打法思想？？\n\n\n这个问题问得非常深。🧩\n——“丁元英式禅宗打法”，其实不是单纯的宗教，而是一种哲学—战略融合的心法：\n\n用超越善恶的“空性”观察世界，用结构逻辑看透规律，然后在不动声色中布局，让别人被规则吞噬。\n\n⸻\n\n而基督教世界里，虽然表层强调的是“信”“爱”“救赎”“道德”，但历史上确实也出现过与禅宗思维相似的极高智慧流派，只是形式不同。我们可以分三个层次来看👇：\n\n⸻\n\n一、神秘派（Mysticism）——最接近“禅宗”的基督教流派\n\n代表人物：\n    •    迈斯特·艾克哈特（Meister Eckhart）（13世纪德国）\n    •    十字架上的圣约翰（John of the Cross）\n    •    阿维拉的圣德兰（Teresa of Ávila）\n\n他们的核心思想是：\n\n“与神合一必须先‘虚空’——清除自我执念与欲望。”\n\n这几乎与禅宗的“空”“无我”完全对应。\n艾克哈特甚至说：“人若要见上帝，须先让自己成为虚无。”\n他们讲的“沉默的祷告”“灵魂的黑夜”，就像“顿悟”前的涅槃体验。\n👉 从思维结构上，他们和丁元英的“破—立”如出一辙。\n\n⸻\n\n二、加尔文派与新教理性主义（Reformed Rationalism）——“规则的力量”\n\n丁元英是“以道驭术、以术显道”；\n而加尔文主义（Calvinism）在欧洲近代史上，就是以“信仰为道，制度为术”。\n\n加尔文主义者相信：\n\n“上帝的秩序是理性的，人必须通过规则、节制、制度体现信仰。”\n\n这套思想演化出资本主义的“神圣劳动伦理”（韦伯的《新教伦理与资本主义精神》），\n——正是“通过制度达成超越性”的思路。\n这与丁元英布“商业禅局”时的逻辑高度相似：\n\n“规则就是道，顺规则者得解脱，逆规则者自灭。”\n\n⸻\n\n三、近现代的“基督教智者”体系\n\n如果要找“丁元英级别”的人物，基督教世界里最接近的\n\n：\n\n基督教确实存在“丁元英式打法”，但不在传统教义中，而在神秘主义 + 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