{"id":"batch-000047","number":47,"revision":1,"date_start":"2025-10-13T15:58:52.138Z","date_end":"2025-10-17T14:15:49.237Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 047 (Oct 13, 2025 – Oct 17, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on legal proceedings, rights-advocacy strategies, and internal disagreements concerning Guo's case. Participants debated seeking a writ of mandamus from the Second Circuit Court of Appeals versus participating in 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) criminal forfeiture, weighing collective against individual CVRA petitions. Debates also addressed district court motions, bankruptcy trustee Luc's legal standing, electronic signature authenticity, retaining counsel, and Farm Alliance accountability, alongside philosophical analogies to the television series Tian Dao.","guide_en":[{"title":"Exploring Mandamus Petition Strategies in the Second Circuit","description":"Participants discuss petitioning the Second Circuit for a writ of mandamus to compel district court action and evaluate strategic approaches.","message_ids":["q1787ee9388465687898c","q803b36aeccce3242564a","q2b6f3d56d2b5f32250a4"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1787ee9388465687898c","summary_en":"ntp*** suggests applying for in forma pauperis status to enable more participants to join the appeal."},{"message_id":"q803b36aeccce3242564a","summary_en":"ntp*** contends that third-party victims in United States v. Ho Wan Kwok, 1:23-cr-00118 (AT) alleging denied docketing or CVRA rights can legally and impactfully file a joint pro se mandamus petition in the Second Circuit under Fed. R. App. P. 21(a)(1)."},{"message_id":"q2b6f3d56d2b5f32250a4","summary_en":"chu*** notes that the Second Circuit would return the mandamus petition."}]},{"title":"21 U.S.C. § 853(n) Criminal Forfeiture Procedures and Deadlines for Opposing Forfeiture Orders","description":"Participants analyze statutory timelines under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and the window for third parties to oppose final forfeiture orders.","message_ids":["qdbd9da213d08a6649fe6","qc33ee1e8ca78df20c033","qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qdbd9da213d08a6649fe6","summary_en":"chu*** explains that under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 32.2, third-party victims must file petitions within a 60-day notice window following a preliminary forfeiture order before the government seeks a final order."},{"message_id":"qc33ee1e8ca78df20c033","summary_en":"chu*** emphasizes that petitions opposing a final forfeiture order must be submitted in advance rather than waiting until the 60-day period expires."},{"message_id":"qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","summary_en":"chu*** warns that roughly ten days remain in the preliminary forfeiture period before the government moves for a final order, contending that this window is the last lawful opportunity for victims to intervene."}]},{"title":"Debate on Bankruptcy Filing Electronic Signatures and DocuSign Validity","description":"Participants dispute whether initial bankruptcy documents were forged and challenge each other's motives regarding investment withdrawals.","message_ids":["q9a77a1015d521c092357","q11dd64bd637747ef9c48","q032f2e7434f588114a3d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9a77a1015d521c092357","summary_en":"wei*** contends that bankruptcy court filings were fraudulent from the start because Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy does not involve creditor registration, suspecting infiltration by farm alliance spies."},{"message_id":"q11dd64bd637747ef9c48","summary_en":"rui*** dismissively asks whether the individual described is an idiot."},{"message_id":"q032f2e7434f588114a3d","summary_en":"wei*** accuses rui*** of feigning comprehension while focusing solely on procedural flaws to persuade peers to surrender investments and future influence."}]},{"title":"Disagreements over Bankruptcy Trustee Luc's Legal Standing and Prosecutorial Responsibility","description":"Participants dispute bankruptcy trustee Luc's legal standing in the criminal case and review pertinent docket filings.","message_ids":["qb82aae291277e90c93e9","q8b47dceb5f79f5d29591","qd742f80a494e4b43c70e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb82aae291277e90c93e9","summary_en":"wen*** contends that trustee Luc lacks standing in the criminal proceeding under court order 528, citing ECF 751, ECF 750, and ECF 724 to argue that only bona fide third-party investors have standing under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)."},{"message_id":"q8b47dceb5f79f5d29591","summary_en":"wen*** argues that Luc is waiting for third-party petitions and sentencing to conclude, urging others to confront him."},{"message_id":"qd742f80a494e4b43c70e","summary_en":"rui*** sharply rebukes wen*** and asks whether they read what was written in ECF 733."}]},{"title":"Weighing Joint Appeals Versus Individual Action and Compliance Risks for Victims","description":"Participants debate the legal risks, procedural benefits, and fee requirements of joint appeals compared to filing individually.","message_ids":["q87d2523359d2da4f12fb","q788dd1902c3049c670d9","q8105e3a5e41fc1077c9e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q87d2523359d2da4f12fb","summary_en":"rui*** warns that joint filings carry risks of being accused of conspiracy."},{"message_id":"q788dd1902c3049c670d9","summary_en":"chu*** suggests researching whether appealing individually or jointly is preferable depending on the circumstances."},{"message_id":"q8105e3a5e41fc1077c9e","summary_en":"tut*** explains that multiple petitioners can jointly submit a single mandamus petition combining 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) and 18 U.S.C. § 3771 claims under FRAP 21, pay a single filing fee, or individually seek in forma pauperis relief under FRAP 24."}]},{"title":"Pro Se Service Rules, Motion Filing Progress, and the Need for Retaining Counsel","description":"Participants evaluate local pro se filing and service procedures in district court and debate hiring an attorney solely for document submission.","message_ids":["qe28482deb716a2a947a8","qb41249e4ca1fa86cf765","qf2e64bba70e997b9a0f9"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe28482deb716a2a947a8","summary_en":"ath*** asks what steps follow filing pro se documents with the court and whether copies must be served on prosecutors."},{"message_id":"qb41249e4ca1fa86cf765","summary_en":"reb*** describes Southern District of New York local rules requiring special permission for pro se email submissions in criminal cases, advising that mailing paper copies and requesting written explanations prevents the Second Circuit from rejecting mandamus petitions."},{"message_id":"qf2e64bba70e997b9a0f9","summary_en":"wei*** agrees that hiring an attorney solely to handle document uploads would be a viable approach."}]},{"title":"Reflections on Legal Strategy and Commercial Philosophy Through the Television Series Tian Dao","description":"Participants draw analogies from the television series Tian Dao to discuss legal tactics and strategic mindsets.","message_ids":["qf6c2e12695aababca2e3","qbd6ad7c31ad3aca9139c","q83a2d80240432484e96a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf6c2e12695aababca2e3","summary_en":"chu*** recounts watching an analysis of Tian Dao, asserting that the drama reflects complementary strengths rather than robbing the rich to help the poor."},{"message_id":"qbd6ad7c31ad3aca9139c","summary_en":"ntp*** asks whether a mandamus petition can be filed only pursuant to the CVRA."},{"message_id":"q83a2d80240432484e96a","summary_en":"rui*** remarks that in this dispute, participants represent both Ding Yuanying and the Wangmiao villagers."}]},{"title":"Veteran Investor Fund Recovery, Crowdfunded Litigation, and Farm Alliance Accountability Planning","description":"Participants revisit past statements regarding G-series investments and discuss litigation strategies and collective grievances.","message_ids":["qc7f457fafce5ada47e53","q030d2eb5c0915c156d4c","q3df7f8c1a8797207f75c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc7f457fafce5ada47e53","summary_en":"ken*** cites a Mar 24, 2021 live broadcast where Guo urged veteran chair investors, loan participants, and G-Club buyers lacking adequate living conditions to withdraw their investments, arguing investments were separate from political activism."},{"message_id":"q030d2eb5c0915c156d4c","summary_en":"him*** contends that while appeals do not require joint signatures, motions can highlight that many participants encountered identical circumstances to prompt court attention."},{"message_id":"q3df7f8c1a8797207f75c","summary_en":"hah*** sends a message without any text content."}]}],"summary":"本期讨论围绕郭案相关的司法程序推进、维权策略及社群内部分歧展开。主要焦点集中在第二巡回上诉法院的Mandamus强制令与§853(n)刑事没收程序的选择上：一部分成员主张利用CVRA受害者权利结合强制令向二巡施压，探讨独立上诉与联名申请的利弊及法律/费用风险；另一部分成员则关注地方法院动议进展、初审法官态度及破产受托人Luc的法律身份与证据有效性。此外，围绕破产文件签名的真伪、是否聘请专业律师代理、众筹资助的合规性以及向农场联盟追责等议题，群内展开了激烈交锋；期间亦穿插了借电视剧《天道》与哲学宗教思维类比司法博弈的思辨，以及多起关于社群规则和立场的争吵。","guide":[{"title":"二巡法院Mandamus强制令申请与诉求策略探讨","message_ids":["q1787ee9388465687898c","q803b36aeccce3242564a","q2b6f3d56d2b5f32250a4"]},{"title":"21 U.S.C. §853(n)刑事没收程序与反对令时限争议","message_ids":["qdbd9da213d08a6649fe6","qc33ee1e8ca78df20c033","qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2"]},{"title":"破产案文件电子签名真伪及DocuSign有效性之辩","message_ids":["q9a77a1015d521c092357","q11dd64bd637747ef9c48","q032f2e7434f588114a3d"]},{"title":"破产受托人Luc法律地位与检方责任归属的分歧","message_ids":["qb82aae291277e90c93e9","q8b47dceb5f79f5d29591","qd742f80a494e4b43c70e"]},{"title":"受害者联名上诉与独立行动的利弊及合规风险权衡","message_ids":["q87d2523359d2da4f12fb","q788dd1902c3049c670d9","q8105e3a5e41fc1077c9e"]},{"title":"自诉送达规则、动议提交进展与聘请律师必要性争议","message_ids":["qe28482deb716a2a947a8","qb41249e4ca1fa86cf765","qf2e64bba70e997b9a0f9"]},{"title":"借电视剧《天道》与商业哲学对案情博弈的延伸探讨","message_ids":["qf6c2e12695aababca2e3","qbd6ad7c31ad3aca9139c","q83a2d80240432484e96a"]},{"title":"老椅子投资款追偿、众筹诉讼与农场联盟问责规划","message_ids":["qc7f457fafce5ada47e53","q030d2eb5c0915c156d4c","q3df7f8c1a8797207f75c"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T11:19:28.431Z","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047/pages/4","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000047?page=4","page":4,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000047?page=5","prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000047?page=3","messages":[{"id":"qf8e40df5659b250d4d31","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":601,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-15T23:00:26.015Z","text":"老椅子投几十万 几百万的 你们都不丢脸？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8e40df5659b250d4d31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q308a17d1d09283f709db","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":602,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-10-15T23:00:27.821Z","text":"应该不会被踢，我在老椅子群里只谈案情，其他的我也不了解详情，目前还是应该聚焦案情，其他事情以后说也不迟，本来人就不多，互相攻击的结果就是更没几个人了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q308a17d1d09283f709db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd33a7e5b9009b36aa108","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":603,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-15T23:00:41.596Z","text":"你们的财富和智商根本就不匹配 迟早返贫","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd33a7e5b9009b36aa108","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe5bf352f00cbfb7cbc1e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":604,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-15T23:02:08.724Z","text":"老郭出来第一件事不是灭共 是清算这一批人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q066b2e4e20f37a89528b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5bf352f00cbfb7cbc1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q066b2e4e20f37a89528b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0807df942754cfb54176","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":605,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-15T23:02:47.147Z","text":"一根筋，是遗传。我的家族，是遗传自我爷爷。另类。看热闹，也许好玩。但是，让你经历这样的人生，非常痛苦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0807df942754cfb54176","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q7c9b883b59e59daf6dd3","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":606,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-15T23:03:22.704Z","text":"你要是在美国 肯定是个大律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0807df942754cfb54176","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c9b883b59e59daf6dd3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0807df942754cfb54176","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q82de17b5e5abc3a21975","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":607,"speaker":"pln***","date":"2025-10-15T23:25:46.429Z","text":"跟政府关门有没有关系 他们本身并不上班","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb741c1904471fcb580f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82de17b5e5abc3a21975","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb741c1904471fcb580f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc7f457fafce5ada47e53","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":608,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:50:07.015Z","text":"过去一周，郭先生一个一个地打电话给（投资人）过去的椅子、参与借款项目的人、买G-Club的人，希望他们能退掉投资。\n\n为什么这么做呢？\n因为G系列是一个投资，不是赌博。你投不投G系列，跟爆料革命、跟反共和灭共、跟我们追求体面的生活，没有任何绝对的关系。首先，你要具备有投资的能力和基本条件，包括你的生活和经济条件。\n#灭共和G系列投资没有绝对的关系。\n有些不需要投资的去投资了、还有勉强投资的，你是在害七哥、害爆料革命，你是在帮共产党。\n所有战友参与所谓借项目，还是投资G系列，大家记住：所有的后果七哥承担一切责任；七哥承担责任的时候，也有责任和义务和权力要求战友们，就像要求战友们在保证自己安全和生活有保障、不影响家人的情况下，你再支持灭共、再支持爆料革命、再投资G系列。\n\n郭文贵先生直播（03/24/2021）","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7f457fafce5ada47e53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q08b4452f67ac52dca80f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":609,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:50:46.109Z","text":"郭先生早就知道老椅子是啥货色，早就打电话让他们退投资了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08b4452f67ac52dca80f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q72c5039f8e95aa212f9c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":610,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:51:53.977Z","text":"🤦\n仔细想想：\n\n郭先生啥时候打电话给不是老椅子的战友退投资款了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c5039f8e95aa212f9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q3e1934eb9293bee91635","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":611,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-15T23:55:26.009Z","text":"况且很多老椅子是拿到了投资退款的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e1934eb9293bee91635","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q90666cd11e8a13de46ae","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":612,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T00:00:07.012Z","text":"我感觉每个个体，每个个人的自诉非常重要，非常重要，非常重要，也是必须的，必须的，必须有人来做","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7438f7ea5b67af961f85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90666cd11e8a13de46ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7438f7ea5b67af961f85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc6bb20d72a76daed072b","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":613,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T00:02:21.395Z","text":"我自诉模版可以让我参考的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6bb20d72a76daed072b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0b86b0b740702cc85a34","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":614,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-10-16T00:06:42.256Z","text":"729，733，734，738","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b86b0b740702cc85a34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qdbae660c168d343d4b31","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":615,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T00:44:08.112Z","text":"是的。老椅子都不见了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e1934eb9293bee91635","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbae660c168d343d4b31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e1934eb9293bee91635","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q92e35a674b5610506a4e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":616,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T00:49:58.739Z","text":"据传，有些农场跟退款的战友还签了保密协议：想拿到退款就必须签协议，就是不能起诉农场领导层。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92e35a674b5610506a4e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qbfccc4831c56df276772","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":617,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T00:56:13.058Z","text":"退了款 起诉农场主 意义在哪？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfccc4831c56df276772","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q4d6a0839167c4abb5134","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":618,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T00:56:17.200Z","text":"逻辑不通吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d6a0839167c4abb5134","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0aed01adbaf148680764","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":619,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T01:04:32.080Z","text":"因为农场没有把战友们的投资款汇到指定的银行账号！就是它们把战友们的投资款留在农场领导层的账号里！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aed01adbaf148680764","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q58de26f17e3a323fef1d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":620,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T01:07:14.709Z","text":"说白了就是它们压根不想让战友们投资G系列！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58de26f17e3a323fef1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qad52cdd93b9c5228ea7d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":621,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2025-10-16T01:10:24.608Z","text":"也就是说战友们的投资款不止是法庭文件上被冻结的那些钱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad52cdd93b9c5228ea7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q7e66a0111ef15ac3a1db","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":622,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:15:29.372Z","text":"老椅子就是投资早的人吧？不一定是有钱人吧。再说钱也不一定是他们自己挣的吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b3da11018accd0bed76","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e66a0111ef15ac3a1db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qcac71fefd1091daa9832","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":623,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:16:59.942Z","text":"哦，不太清楚具体情况。怪不得联盟天天维稳老椅子。😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce9238e86dcef60fdf99","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac71fefd1091daa9832","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8db5b5ea30ccfc9f4786","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":624,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:17:55.773Z","text":"这也不是花钱的问题，你得找的着律师啊。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dd89a2a5ef0e63edeb2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8db5b5ea30ccfc9f4786","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q3fca43413628b62a0ea7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":625,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:19:17.454Z","text":"但是他们宁愿花钱请盖尔，gaverman","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fca43413628b62a0ea7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa406e7a33a21f4a077a8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":626,"speaker":"ran***","date":"2025-10-16T01:33:45.731Z","text":"所谓老椅子🪑乌合之众而已","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20bb4ee61feeeeb269dc","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa406e7a33a21f4a077a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb82aae291277e90c93e9","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":627,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-10-16T01:37:41.893Z","text":"这里补充一下：受托人Luc并不是第三方，他在本案中严格说没有身份。引用之前在老椅子群的留言：\n\nLuc在751里说了，他本来不该在刑事庭说话的，因为按照法庭令528，他没有身份。但他还是跳出来支持检方750、反对辩方724动议，他是坐不住了吗？他为什么对724指责他消耗破产财产视而不见？\n\n郭先生在724里已经直指本案最恶躲在暗处的Luc。Luc是制造上千受害人叙事的核心，是本案程序不公的始作俑者。\n\n战友们去看528法庭令，除了本案的原告政府、三名被告之外，我们作为853n程序下的第三方善意投资人，是可以上庭说话的，其他人一概没有身份，法庭已经按照法律再次重申了我们的权利。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa854bd4c993cf5ccf957","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb82aae291277e90c93e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa854bd4c993cf5ccf957","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1a19a030d302d0bd86e7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":628,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:40:14.863Z","text":"Luc在528之前都发了n个动议了","edited":false,"repl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party","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d9d68c663cdd8e59255","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2e2517a98b35f8d3390c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":636,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:41:47.602Z","text":"就是第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e2517a98b35f8d3390c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":637,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:42:01.268Z","text":"只要不是被告和检方，其他人都是第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48d91f05651a02fc5ad8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfa08391860800d821eec","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":638,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:42:06.760Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa08391860800d821eec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ecce8889a386f1c1b75","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":639,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-10-16T01:42:52.254Z","text":"先反击Luc，因为有证据他的行为失当。检方的问题要靠Luc作证之后进一步披露出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qdbec844b063415213937","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":640,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T01:46:01.066Z","text":"打luc不需要提检方，但是733已经提到检方luc欺诈法庭了。你如果引用733，就等于检方luc一起打。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbec844b063415213937","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8de0293297c627b37e2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa91a15abcb7d90e24e62","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":641,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-16T01:52:51.876Z","text":"老江跟螺丝哥相比，就是天壤之别。\n真的假不了，假的真不了。\n唯真不破。\n螺丝哥最可贵的地方就是他的真实。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41e53cfd4cc95d15f79d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91a15abcb7d90e24e62","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41e53cfd4cc95d15f79d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2fa9686bb44bc8cdee29","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":642,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:53:11.062Z","text":"我的733都上去了 何必脱了裤子放屁","edited":false,"reply_to":"q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fa9686bb44bc8cdee29","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q927e6d4c54d6bd211950","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q061020d1586249f3fdff","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":643,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T01:53:31.722Z","text":"检方选择引用破产法庭文件，对破产法庭文件作为刑事案证据的完整性，合法性和有效性没有进行审查，就作为刑事案的呈堂证供，这会严重误导陪审团。这是必须要在案件里谈的事情，另外，检方明知虚假债权,不但把luc引入刑事案，而且极其恶劣的是，拖延执行没收令，让不再有资格控制本案财产的luc继续控制本案财产，这是故意要让虚假债权来瓜分本案财产，这些财产是属于它有义务保护的它口中的受害者的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061020d1586249f3fdff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8b2bb7dbd90a4062fc5f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":644,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T01:54:41.284Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q061020d1586249f3fdff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b2bb7dbd90a4062fc5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061020d1586249f3fdff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q4549ce27d52bf43e4336","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":645,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T01:55:33.988Z","text":"并且这是在被告已经指出luc已经挥霍了6000多万美金的情况下，根据最近更新的破产法庭文件，luc在初步没收令下达后，还在继续花费本案财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4549ce27d52bf43e4336","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q72a873d706b2fc31c3d1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":646,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:56:00.804Z","text":"都拿到退款了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dd89a2a5ef0e63edeb2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72a873d706b2fc31c3d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q82e76264b57469db6b20","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":647,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:56:43.621Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dd89a2a5ef0e63edeb2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82e76264b57469db6b20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb215fe98259f4d17ada4","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":648,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:57:54.798Z","text":"老椅子和 铁血组 联盟 绑一起的😂 这次全部一起 臭大街了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb215fe98259f4d17ada4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q58b8532ffb429e265444","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":649,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T01:58:24.252Z","text":"现在的情况，南区法庭的性质也属于极其恶劣，就是要让不再具备资格控制本案财产的luc继续挥霍本案财产。检方拖延执行初步没收令还公然挑衅法院，你法院发个冻结令的事情，被挑衅了都不发。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58b8532ffb429e265444","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5bf5691a21190e190254","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":650,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T01:58:32.041Z","text":"他们这辈子是 洗不干净了。和联盟绑一个战车上了😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bf5691a21190e190254","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q29059ddb120d21a93841","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":651,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T02:00:00.387Z","text":"曾经意淫 自己以后是 体面的老椅子。老钱。没想到才几年就变 臭鱼烂虾 躲躲藏藏。不敢再冒头🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29059ddb120d21a93841","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":652,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:08:35.430Z","text":"不是已经有你了吗？消息闭塞，今天才知道有自诉这个环节","edited":false,"reply_to":"q971c9f6e1d9d0604efa5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":653,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:09:01.255Z","text":"对了，最早寄纸质动议的也应该到了好几天了吧，法院还还是没有上传，有人打电话问了什么情况了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q00d0943d8761826863e6","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":654,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:10:02.597Z","text":"有点晚了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00d0943d8761826863e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b078a2693347c8d8ae1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":655,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:10:07.060Z","text":"加紧吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q17fa4e10a3e9a3cecdbe","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":656,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:15:27.779Z","text":"好的，明天前完成，有战友帮忙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17fa4e10a3e9a3cecdbe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb2d5a8985fc7626077cc","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":657,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:16:10.506Z","text":"螺丝哥视频在哪里？X账户链接再发一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d5a8985fc7626077cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc534f17e67f793d8ac04","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q56dd1b5ff5e71abc71f1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":658,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:16:25.618Z","text":"反正之前说的是因为保护隐私都不上传了。不知道现在是不是还是这样。14天内不上传，就可以去二巡了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56dd1b5ff5e71abc71f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d23ea4c033fa47f6a8e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd109612c7991aae33f9a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":659,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:17:35.263Z","text":"277个群战友，也不少人呢，估计有一半也是卧底吧，还是要防止带风向","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd109612c7991aae33f9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":660,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:29:36.912Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］  ［用户 chu***］ 你们之前给检方发布雷迪然后再给辩方发，辩方律师有没有哪怕辞令性的回复一下？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q00d0943d8761826863e6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00d0943d8761826863e6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfba89d60095388c79e34","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":661,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:32:00.098Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming?s=21 ［用户 qi_***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfba89d60095388c79e34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5179a4dbca0a010441f1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":662,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:33:01.510Z","text":"我前几天给他们发邮件希望他们代我向被告问好，然后希望他们能向二巡申请强制令将本案财产转交独立第三方，这样有利于被告量刑后的上诉。那位主律师还给我辞令性的回复了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbc534c41565c4a74c81","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5179a4dbca0a010441f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q29c699081b79640cc329","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":663,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:33:47.129Z","text":"就是说由于法律原因，不能有进一步的讨论。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c699081b79640cc329","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q3d9899ad98f7ed195a5c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":664,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:34:15.125Z","text":"对头","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe50a3e3b6e1f42bb1995","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d9899ad98f7ed195a5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q135e23b818d07c922f2f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":665,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:35:01.229Z","text":"你们也是第一次辞令性的回复了一下？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44409b31363efcced0eb","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q135e23b818d07c922f2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q07d4c30ebca54fcdda61","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":666,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T02:35:39.404Z","text":"她就理了我第一次","edited":false,"reply_to":"q135e23b818d07c922f2f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07d4c30ebca54fcdda61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q135e23b818d07c922f2f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb9070c2d4bf34c7558ce","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":667,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T02:39:37.989Z","text":"政府10月份关门，本来联邦给公设辩护人拨款在10月份恢复，现在是不是拨款因为政府关门又延迟了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9070c2d4bf34c7558ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc8b3a943c6591c2afe47","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":668,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:50:39.996Z","text":"辩方不可能对受害人或者潜在受害人有任何回复","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8b3a943c6591c2afe47","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6fed8b914d77c69e7ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q97cd1447cee9795478f8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":669,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:51:55.666Z","text":"他们不可以和第三方，尤其是在法庭上发动议的第三方，有任何交流","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29c699081b79640cc329","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97cd1447cee9795478f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c699081b79640cc329","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q661f13ff2159e2bca630","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":670,"speaker":"qi_***","date":"2025-10-16T02:52:25.710Z","text":"谢谢，已经加了，看到了，非常震撼，还是有真战友，真正的行动，要捍卫自己的权益，自己行动，给你们点赞，同时给，今天才知道这些内容，给你减一分","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfba89d60095388c79e34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q661f13ff2159e2bca630","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfba89d60095388c79e34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc534e2e48b72f4d08796","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":671,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T02:54:49.799Z","text":"她不理你才是正常的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44409b31363efcced0eb","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc534e2e48b72f4d08796","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q290aa5b8ddae2e3e46c5","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":672,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025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se自诉房间找到你们需要的信息","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36c0b54dff501e2b1e42","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":679,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T03:09:02.535Z","text":"初步没收令程序，只有十来天了。到了没收通告的60天，检方一定会立刻申请关闭初步没收程序，甚至立刻申请最终没收令。哪怕现在法庭不给上传自诉介入的文件，如果你想参与这个案件，接下来的一个星期，是你最后合法参与的机会。法庭不给上传，是法庭违法。但是，一旦过了60天，检方申请关闭初步没收程序，申请最终没收令，你再给法庭发请愿或动议，就是你违法骚扰法庭了!  [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf2f0bf0462fddff815c9","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":680,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:09:09.974Z","text":"减一分是因为他自己现在才发现联盟以外的信息渠道😂 ？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7004d9c97e4146fdd4a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2f0bf0462fddff815c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7004d9c97e4146fdd4a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb2ba6a78014086224568","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":681,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:10:10.606Z","text":"离没收程序结束不到10天了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ba6a78014086224568","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2aa9753899687d7374f1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":682,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T03:11:00.567Z","text":"一个星期。去除周末，就剩小几天而已了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2ba6a78014086224568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa9753899687d7374f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ba6a78014086224568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5334380dbe8dd4ba403d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":683,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:11:07.493Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1976273111839539221","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5334380dbe8dd4ba403d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q66cfd7c0d76f4a03d314","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":684,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:12:06.040Z","text":"如果现在发纸质动议来不及的话，可以发电子邮件要求延期，死马当活马医吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66cfd7c0d76f4a03d314","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q169d4cc9d6db302895a7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":685,"speaker":"404***","date":"2025-10-16T03:12:35.843Z","text":"电子邮件没用吧…","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q169d4cc9d6db302895a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qcfd4996f5ac4e7cdd68e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":686,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:15.503Z","text":"反正南区法院的官网上写，他们接受电子邮件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfd4996f5ac4e7cdd68e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q446be56968c4a03ba456","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":687,"speaker":"404***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:20.244Z","text":"哦哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q446be56968c4a03ba456","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0b3a07df54644a735649","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":688,"speaker":"404***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:47.746Z","text":"太黑暗了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b3a07df54644a735649","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q7d03f5f33c4681c03fd0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":689,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T03:13:56.347Z","text":"纸质证据更好，但是实在没时间，只能发电子邮件了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d03f5f33c4681c03fd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5e6c50920c359f7045a1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":690,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T03:24:45.032Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  还剩十天 大家赶紧自己理解 能理解到什么程度就发什么 千万不要抄别人 自己理解 自己自诉 去中心化","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e6c50920c359f7045a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe77a3a7226f9729152ed","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":691,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T03:31:32.050Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 这里，砸锅，挺郭的都有，当然也有好多人认为的好多特务。所以，如果你们介意所谓的特务，比如好多人说是特务的黄河边先生，西诺先生，如果你介意，说话就自己小心一些。在我眼里，没有特务，因为我，包括绝大多数普通人，是不可能拿到任何人是特务的证据的。所以，在我眼里，没有特务。郭文贵刑事案件，和特务，和共产党，没有直接关系。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77a3a7226f9729152ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q6ea455282c4499d27385","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":692,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T04:48:36.563Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  大律师peter已经不敢说话了🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ea455282c4499d27385","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q78abb74ed055d1ea75f0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":693,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T05:09:45.248Z","text":"老椅子来这里肯定震动青藤啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78abb74ed055d1ea75f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8f3162cb897fe9add079","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":694,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-16T05:50:35.951Z","text":"最后十来天，不管853n还是cvra都不行了是吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f3162cb897fe9add079","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5fb7b8681de737c1ba2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q30c0c823dd1b22b2bec8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":695,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T07:07:24.979Z","text":"［用户 xia***］  ［用户 lao***］  ［用户 lao***］  ［用户 _si***］  ［用户 mik***］ 欢迎你们，这里百分之百言论自由畅所欲言，砸锅挺郭都欢迎。联盟农场绝对不可能给你的言论自由，这里有","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30c0c823dd1b22b2bec8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qac6e889e25b6cb555bd0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":696,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T07:09:47.937Z","text":"到了60天，检方应该会有动作结束初步没收程序，法官肯定像上次一样，立刻同意。一旦法官同意命令下达，再给法庭发动议，就是骚扰法庭。法官貌似非常喜欢检方啊，哈哈哈哈😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f3162cb897fe9add079","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac6e889e25b6cb555bd0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f3162cb897fe9add079","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa8e25ae0e55b92d328d0","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":697,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T07:13:57.048Z","text":"二巡就可以让托雷斯知道厉害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8e25ae0e55b92d328d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc30db09a8dee061e945f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":698,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T07:51:13.820Z","text":"已经进入程序的，也就是有你的动议已经被上传，就可以继续发。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8c76a654bc8732728bab","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":699,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T07:53:07.655Z","text":"我估计不会允许。除非之前的情愿或动议有回应有斗法，否则，60天结束，不会允许再发布任何意见。检方，法庭，都想这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c76a654bc8732728bab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qaf8c9e14106b59850e54","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":700,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T07:57:00.621Z","text":"不是这样。这不是允许，这是权利。那个60天是给相关方进入程序的机会。没有及时进入，就证明了你自己放弃了权利。进入之后，就没有限制，可以去核实一下。ai给我的回复就是这样。按常理也是这样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c76a654bc8732728bab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8c9e14106b59850e54","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c76a654bc8732728bab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qc1161e99ce9377edf518","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":701,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T08:01:25.293Z","text":"已经上传的不受60天限制？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1161e99ce9377edf518","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30db09a8dee061e945f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q829a9814517eaa378d66","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":702,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:02:29.402Z","text":"真不是。实际上，没人搭理，更应该去主张。只要有新情况，新的发现，新的主张。就算没有新情况，它也不能随便禁止。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0d1b47b6ec29aba4882","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q829a9814517eaa378d66","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2c29fcc8214bd1b8eeec","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":703,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:02:44.920Z","text":"我查询的情况是这样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1161e99ce9377edf518","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c29fcc8214bd1b8eeec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1161e99ce9377edf518","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":704,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T08:03:13.753Z","text":"老椅子们动起来吧，啥都不为就为你的 投资你也应该抓住这个唯一的机会","edited":false,"reply_to":"q143eb7b26b40a46bbc3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q143eb7b26b40a46bbc3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":705,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:03:35.310Z","text":"只要进入了程序，后面想到什么需要补充的，就再发一封。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q91f6999517825a522fdf","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":706,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:03:40.566Z","text":"如果是这样，就太好了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q829a9814517eaa378d66","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91f6999517825a522fdf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q829a9814517eaa378d66","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2ba7e1783d0501f4b491","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":707,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:04:19.136Z","text":"看盖尔的动作，他就是这么干的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ba7e1783d0501f4b491","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e90d3e2ec39693eb076","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":708,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:05:31.214Z","text":"当然你不能明显可以一次说完的，一次说一句话这样发。只要按照常理不是故意频繁发就行。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":709,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:08:15.965Z","text":"这个案子的所有同案犯庭审记录都是在同一个庭审卷宗里吗？之前王雁平对应的那个初步没收令，那些进入程序的853能否在716这个没收令说话？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb8c2d9e6d797e825288a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":710,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:08:27.824Z","text":"我第一次上去，就是想起来就发一个。所以，法官抓了我的把柄，全部驳回。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8c2d9e6d797e825288a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd576acc9e14bdc73a72a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q572ec9ea600c27ee9d9d","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":711,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T08:09:22.004Z","text":"王艳萍的所有第三方，会和老郭这次的第三方一起合并处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q572ec9ea600c27ee9d9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6cb2136c41b276a40b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2cd170dba7e9648f6496","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":712,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-16T08:09:38.804Z","text":"还有，我查询到的是，如果是受害者，可以在庭审的任何阶段介入。没有仔细研究，大家可以再核实一下。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd170dba7e9648f6496","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd820e330c42788720591","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":713,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-16T08:20:14.513Z","text":"行动，行动，把农场和联盟起诉了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd820e330c42788720591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8b071c6df989dc976568","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":714,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T09:53:16.974Z","text":"老椅子哪还有投资都领完了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7bb53b591f4f5ae4f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q70462ede476d10cee0fc","batch_id":"batch-000047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Bankman-Fried）还没有出狱。他在2024年3月被判处25年监禁，目前仍在服刑，预计最早也要到2044年12月左右才能释放（考虑到良好行为减刑）。最近的报道显示，他被转移到加州洛杉矶的Terminal Island低安全级联邦监狱，但没有获释的消息","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77bf248754f7275dfa56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe38edcf798a570373916","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":719,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T11:36:04.429Z","text":"那老椅子跟爆料革命还有啥关系？没有回投的？没有买喜币的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe38edcf798a570373916","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe4443d63bd717ca4efa2","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":720,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-16T12:01:45.980Z","text":"谁说的，你又代表老椅子说话了？叫你不要乱吹牛逼，要不然，又要遭我给你灌屎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4443d63bd717ca4efa2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b071c6df989dc976568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qccfcdfadf4b0260e4c59","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":721,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T12:02:54.482Z","text":"［用户 wen***］ 欢迎你，这里百分之百言论自由畅所欲言，联盟农场绝对不可能给你的言论自由，这里百分之百你可以拥有。百分之五，怎么界定啊？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccfcdfadf4b0260e4c59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q9dd69001b4bfe121cd90","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":722,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T13:06:50.067Z","text":"哈哈哈哈哈😂 要被这个名字笑死了。文字倍还5%🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dd69001b4bfe121cd90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q666e3527b953713084d3","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":723,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:06:58.804Z","text":"https://x.com/nyshangrilafarm/status/1978609226919592284?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q666e3527b953713084d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa449fe029961ce6a8c77","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":724,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:07:24.624Z","text":"联盟好像在为律师不整体不当开脱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa449fe029961ce6a8c77","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":725,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:07:46.020Z","text":"说是这个协议是老郭自己签的 用什么猎狐行动辩护","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":726,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:10:02.459Z","text":"这都是无关紧要的。事实就是700文件里说郭对老律师团队不满。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf6a90c52f91bcd3801af","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":727,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:10:43.605Z","text":"除了法律文件，谁都别信","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6a90c52f91bcd3801af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q0fdacbb237441d76fa1a","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":728,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-16T13:10:58.350Z","text":"好好说话，你和文斌有仇找他报去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fdacbb237441d76fa1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q33d26505e8abebb9503c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":729,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T13:11:08.430Z","text":"我的问题是 这东西是不是法律文件里面的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d26505e8abebb9503c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1489c2c311d02538b9c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q22b44bc6706278a0c1ad","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:11:25.789Z","text":"谁知道，700文件涂黑那么多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22b44bc6706278a0c1ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q72adf5fdef32c43fec3c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":731,"speaker":"199***","date":"2025-10-16T13:14:52.900Z","text":"那个文件去年5月提交法庭，现在拿出来炒冷饭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72adf5fdef32c43fec3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8277067e14b644102e5f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":732,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T13:35:44.181Z","text":"goveman 代理的 大额估计是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe38edcf798a570373916","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8277067e14b644102e5f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe38edcf798a570373916","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q12365f60abf79cbc3cc4","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":733,"speaker":"199***","date":"2025-10-16T13:39:01.494Z","text":"老椅子有不少回投的，长岛组织的，还有数字银行，后来的A10","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12365f60abf79cbc3cc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q52ba35ce28523551a300","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":734,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T13:39:44.256Z","text":"这不就是718文件的附件啊？回锅肉再搞搞。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52ba35ce28523551a300","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f2f79a79b6fb1204979","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q84a2d519b98d16b04777","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":735,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T13:40:58.338Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 新进来的，有没有老椅子，聊聊。探讨一下没收程序的钱，你们被扣押的钱最多，不敢说话啊？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84a2d519b98d16b04777","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q8a7fbc9ed94a4e271da2","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":736,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T13:41:02.858Z","text":"就是不提 733😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a7fbc9ed94a4e271da2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q18aabe4983c6600bf285","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":737,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:42:44.769Z","text":"老椅子看到这群都反联盟，还有一群砸锅的比如黄河边西诺，吓到了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84a2d519b98d16b04777","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18aabe4983c6600bf285","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84a2d519b98d16b04777","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5134fb11cc0ede76c774","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":738,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T13:43:34.768Z","text":"要不然就是怕被瑞恩骂😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5134fb11cc0ede76c774","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfa5bc9881aa6cb95cff3","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":739,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T14:18:19.366Z","text":"比 luc 还麻痹  不要脸啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa5bc9881aa6cb95cff3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qbccf898301d05a89025f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":740,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T14:19:26.428Z","text":"luc 费用 都是 受害人支付的 这个狗比","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbccf898301d05a89025f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q65828553739edbfa236e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":741,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T14:22:03.474Z","text":"明天就截止了 ，这个逼 在  最后时刻 站出来反对 老子们索赔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65828553739edbfa236e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q62a3a93988ec85226167","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":742,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T14:34:00.796Z","text":"所谓的老椅子绝大部分是有钱的钻营分子，只图钱，其他都是幌子，可笑老郭拿他们当宝贝。最后惦记他的却是一群穷人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18aabe4983c6600bf285","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18aabe4983c6600bf285","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q716a884b080c47534d7b","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:35:20.867Z","text":"可能也有好人吧，不用一棍子打死","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716a884b080c47534d7b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q895bf9302e77ffc76749","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":744,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T14:36:06.000Z","text":"我说绝大部分","edited":false,"reply_to":"q716a884b080c47534d7b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q895bf9302e77ffc76749","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716a884b080c47534d7b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":745,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:04.707Z","text":"只能说在中国好人很难发财","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62a3a93988ec85226167","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":746,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:15.923Z","text":"在哪都是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f49f7d931728d07dbb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qfc919bf49ffceda12f42","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":747,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:25.700Z","text":"国外好点儿","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc919bf49ffceda12f42","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb65db34e9b2767cac0ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q56a90821f7896b6cbece","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":748,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:41.978Z","text":"好人的定义不是没用的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56a90821f7896b6cbece","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe8f375f199bf9ae95750","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":749,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-16T14:38:59.458Z","text":"在国外，如果你很有才能，都可以发财","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8f375f199bf9ae95750","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qcd3812157e1e62d88cc8","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":750,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T15:44:27.313Z","text":"你永远也不知道 海外华人 可以low 到什么地步","edited":false,"reply_to":"q98f30e39dd143caa6ec1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd3812157e1e62d88cc8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q6d21260615f757888103","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":751,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T15:46:14.552Z","text":"等所有第三方都上了，截止日期前  一网打尽   真几把毒啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q65828553739edbfa236e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d21260615f757888103","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65828553739edbfa236e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qe9d531a9365257ef051c","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":752,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-16T15:46:34.242Z","text":"道高一尺魔高一丈   啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d531a9365257ef051c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q382b35a4280bc7b09041","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":753,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T16:04:25.940Z","text":"https://x.com/dDiVul8m3g82864/status/1978846586751819824?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382b35a4280bc7b09041","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q273c5abaf5eb4808dcbc","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":754,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T16:19:31.272Z","text":"@你学习a先生，搞精美视频，天天喊，钱没了，方便面也吃不上了，只能和自来水充饥了。行不行啊？卖惨，学习好声音","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q273c5abaf5eb4808dcbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":755,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-16T16:45:10.251Z","text":"他怎么干的这么卖力呢？动力是仇恨吗？还是减刑啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q382b35a4280bc7b09041","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382b35a4280bc7b09041","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q77216fec61967e211f10","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":756,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T16:53:58.714Z","text":"也许人家就是纯粹娱乐啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77216fec61967e211f10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q166a949cce4be9c7a1b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf09c1e9b5f473afa28d7","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":757,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T20:54:58.957Z","text":"https://x.com/AsiaFinance/status/1978860189836247304?s=33","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf09c1e9b5f473afa28d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q5757449b055c5d90c77f","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":758,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-16T20:55:13.245Z","text":"提到郭文贵","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5757449b055c5d90c77f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q63a3dd058fb8fa2f991e","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":759,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:06:19.195Z","text":"基督教 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就是把人变成脑残","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q237ddfb97f60a5b27107","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qd18f5a7b0e90b32d4708","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":762,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:08:54.174Z","text":"让有罪的人来赎罪然后继续犯罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd18f5a7b0e90b32d4708","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qa29557296d7dc44a8f10","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":763,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:09:20.311Z","text":"美国被共产党整成这样 和基督教走偏的问题息息相关","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa29557296d7dc44a8f10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qca82514e8db4e27dc0b4","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":764,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:12:44.329Z","text":"基督徒 没有智慧了 能行吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca82514e8db4e27dc0b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q2330444c599cf61a7677","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":765,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:12:51.006Z","text":"天天喊着上帝 等靠要","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2330444c599cf61a7677","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"qf3b04f32ad590a6af541","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":766,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:12:58.781Z","text":"天道讲的太对了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3b04f32ad590a6af541","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000047"},{"id":"q771a6a742a7d2b70f8ba","batch_id":"batch-000047","seq":767,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-16T22:13:32.420Z","text":"老郭这案子 一杀中国人 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