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In any 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都会被抓把柄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc10949e776ada27caa6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q304d894ead99a5829237","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":624,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T19:03:01.483Z","text":"不如不回","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q304d894ead99a5829237","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q26e51642feecec64dfb5","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":625,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T19:03:19.469Z","text":"因为法官你回复其他动议 不回复受害者 那就做实打压了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26e51642feecec64dfb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q396c478bb4a16412998f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":626,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T19:03:25.078Z","text":"不如啥都不回","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q396c478bb4a16412998f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qa1eec78ffafb8100dde5","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":627,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T19:03:43.407Z","text":"机器人好像说过，引用CVRA是检方觉得你是受害者，你就可以引用，不等于你承认你是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1eec78ffafb8100dde5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q46619b195c79fb1b02fe","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":628,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T19:04:21.111Z","text":"我是九只妖的受害者。这个 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最后谁来定性","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04e0c40e917ebb437b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qef853c71b7afccf2059a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":633,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-10-21T19:12:25.945Z","text":"按道理法官是第三方 第三方都弄不灵清 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chu***］  她必然会一条道走到黑","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a8bf480cb0815bb80dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q5d3e786f494c0a136373","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":652,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T20:34:44.187Z","text":"你是第一个想给七哥翻案的，你放心吧，七哥的案子翻定了！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q339bcbadbe506bfa3ae5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d3e786f494c0a136373","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q339bcbadbe506bfa3ae5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q2769443d364a8549f75d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":653,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T20:35:13.075Z","text":"又开始发神经了 🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d3e786f494c0a136373","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2769443d364a8549f75d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d3e786f494c0a136373","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb68c5926025df6da64cd","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":654,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T20:36:32.486Z","text":"这真是神意啊！这个世界再也不需要英雄了！再也不会有大人物了！区块链数字化！AI时代，太伟大了！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb68c5926025df6da64cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q6a402c35f63758861c1f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":655,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T20:36:47.739Z","text":"哈哈哈哈，你别装了，你比谁都懂！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2769443d364a8549f75d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a402c35f63758861c1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2769443d364a8549f75d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc7b424217ec69d66a68a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":656,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T20:38:26.236Z","text":"我不懂你的精神病😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb68c5926025df6da64cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7b424217ec69d66a68a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb68c5926025df6da64cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q99f70306c6f3ece49915","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":657,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T20:38:27.939Z","text":"国内早就安全了，8年了，爆料革命已经改变了一切！反而是海外的华人，到了选择的时候，是选择正义还是继续作恶。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99f70306c6f3ece49915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q22a63c491212cd3735e4","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":658,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T20:38:37.595Z","text":"你和阿哲是龙凤双胞胎","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22a63c491212cd3735e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qd1eb255d5f59f95bee3f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":659,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T20:40:00.457Z","text":"阿哲那边的人说我是螺丝妹，阿哲还把我悄悄的踢出群。我不是螺丝妹，我真实的身份是“砸郭者的奶奶”。哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1eb255d5f59f95bee3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q3af1060ae9c1857c2a7c","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":660,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T20:40:43.955Z","text":"这个群里，上了法庭的人，都是赢家！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3af1060ae9c1857c2a7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q86988e7edb9672d57de2","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":661,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-10-21T20:55:25.850Z","text":"吹牛逼吹过了。爆料革命早就臭了。没有人搭理了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99f70306c6f3ece49915","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86988e7edb9672d57de2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99f70306c6f3ece49915","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qd18d9d79100aad2d165c","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":662,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T21:07:54.598Z","text":"我发现以前接触过的很多人都是灭爆小组的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd18d9d79100aad2d165c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc88b81ed29491a66fd21","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":663,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T21:07:59.509Z","text":"包括音乐群的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc88b81ed29491a66fd21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc3c8841233596e698409","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":664,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T21:08:48.287Z","text":"那你还说习不会救郭？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99f70306c6f3ece49915","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3c884123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彻底疯了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70d6386274725a89bd15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q6ca791e6eca904e90d5a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":667,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T21:42:55.956Z","text":"我的情况。机器人目前叫我等 14天","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8d3d1710a1d27da7b50","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ca791e6eca904e90d5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc80aa6b2031883d02c2a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":668,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T21:54:22.789Z","text":"注意一下，第三方发动议也需要附上certificate of 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量刑没有了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b8d5dc57c03e922e8d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qfb615af2e597fd5e0494","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":670,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T21:58:22.167Z","text":"现在我们闹的事情太大了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb615af2e597fd5e0494","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q9db6f40bb911b753d6cc","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":671,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T21:58:25.238Z","text":"没收也不会有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9db6f40bb911b753d6cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q875a395ea45d99935e5a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":672,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:19:15.987Z","text":"https://x.com/patton0604/status/1980664764557918523?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q875a395ea45d99935e5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc25958121b893cd9c952","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":673,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:19:26.748Z","text":"这个你们关注了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc25958121b893cd9c952","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q8d1216da9612bf4070a5","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":674,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:20:11.493Z","text":"往上拉","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc25958121b893cd9c952","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d1216da9612bf4070a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc25958121b893cd9c952","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q6c0c44e07b8ac672ad0d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":675,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:21:11.132Z","text":"所以这代表了什么呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d1216da9612bf4070a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c0c44e07b8ac672ad0d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d1216da9612bf4070a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q1e43d3152f5848f622b0","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":676,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:21:32.413Z","text":"这是破产案不是刑事案对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e43d3152f5848f622b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q181866cbed2b91b9e1ea","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":677,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:21:58.205Z","text":"猎狐行动的那个文件是在刑事案吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q181866cbed2b91b9e1ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc89c5d0e76cad60be4f9","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":678,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:22:12.861Z","text":"我觉得没什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c0c44e07b8ac672ad0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc89c5d0e76cad60be4f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c0c44e07b8ac672ad0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qf2b250eba92312e83f79","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":679,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:22:18.663Z","text":"这个是不是会和猎狐行动的文件产生联动","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2b250eba92312e83f79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q6a81136d8f8d1441e599","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":680,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:22:24.202Z","text":"但不是在一个案子里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a81136d8f8d1441e599","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qdb7352d0bd22541cf98d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":681,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:2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力推的。要反着看","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbfd27fe845a7d63d77b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcdfc482707b519da9aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfd27fe845a7d63d77b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q19a050c94ec217d5d382","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":686,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:25:32.749Z","text":"我问这个文件，巴顿是灭爆，但和我问题无关","edited":false,"reply_to":"q96670d1a09ab78fd48f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19a050c94ec217d5d382","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96670d1a09ab78fd48f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q907f5a9e0429364451f0","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":687,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:25:38.392Z","text":"你们啥想法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q907f5a9e0429364451f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q041de70bbb7146a7e037","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":688,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:25:55.394Z","text":"［用户 nev***］ 你可从上面郭案观察者的帖子开始看","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q041de70bbb7146a7e037","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q46d4783ed0608f19973f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":689,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:26:28.735Z","text":"网红这么兴奋。朱贝贝这么兴奋。说明 对郭不利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46d4783ed0608f19973f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qf0acb21439145adc9b40","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":690,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:26:43.561Z","text":"就是没什鸟用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0acb21439145adc9b40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qdcd252879e628a86b2b3","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":691,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:26:50.876Z","text":"不用关注","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcd252879e628a86b2b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q914f92442fb39ba91bdc","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":692,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:27:17.651Z","text":"但是网红两边都有，他们自己都快自导自演了十个不同派系了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46d4783ed0608f19973f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q914f92442fb39ba91bdc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46d4783ed0608f19973f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q219f9a9be5490a50cdde","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":693,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:27:36.123Z","text":"感觉是 给翻案组 一记重锤","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q219f9a9be5490a50cdde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q11347785ebda295b4d59","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":694,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:28:01.346Z","text":"冲着翻案组来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11347785ebda295b4d59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q7a595eaf07be12073a92","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":695,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:28:41.056Z","text":"Follow the money 谁得了钱谁就是一伙的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q914f92442fb39ba91bdc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a595eaf07be12073a92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q914f92442fb39ba91bdc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q72c786785ec2eb621648","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":696,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:29:00.393Z","text":"透过现场看本质","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c786785ec2eb621648","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q7b6bb24dad566078333e","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":697,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:29:19.031Z","text":"我意思是也不是他们开心的就一定是坏事，也可能不好不坏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a595eaf07be12073a92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b6bb24dad566078333e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a595eaf07be12073a92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qf079fc28eb74e8d6bf69","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":698,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:29:28.046Z","text":"我知道他们一伙的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf079fc28eb74e8d6bf69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q0b230002d24845643a8d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":699,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:29:30.760Z","text":"大外宣 终究是九层妖塔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b230002d24845643a8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qd144c68fa5ef01b81d18","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":700,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:29:47.198Z","text":"我问的是这个文件对刑事案有什么具体的影响","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd144c68fa5ef01b81d18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qa754744d430c71d5af12","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":701,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:30:00.790Z","text":"就是不好不坏，没用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b6bb24dad566078333e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa754744d430c71d5af12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b6bb24dad566078333e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qf54d92b24d01605acc7a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":702,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:30:11.466Z","text":"政治有关的都没用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf54d92b24d01605acc7a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q155211ddcbb245e04384","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":703,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:30:15.592Z","text":"因为法庭没有政治","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q155211ddcbb245e04384","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q6910e9adf629753f7f67","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":704,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:30:55.599Z","text":"NFSC高兴，因为他们都是政客","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6910e9adf629753f7f67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qaac683a2a336d26ba788","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":705,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:32:03.468Z","text":"增加破产案抢 刑事案的钱的证据？？ 强调G系列是老郭的钱，属于债权人？？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd144c68fa5ef01b81d18","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaac683a2a336d26ba788","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd144c68fa5ef01b81d18","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qde1c146cf3b17b4b05ef","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":706,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-10-21T22:32:39.295Z","text":"他们具体的证据不会上法庭文件是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde1c146cf3b17b4b05ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q23002b48612bb8e94b5f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":707,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:33:46.439Z","text":"而且是最后一天 出 幺蛾子😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23002b48612bb8e94b5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc25457fa05f5d5b9aad7","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":708,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T22:34:16.337Z","text":"之前怎么不邮寄？？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc25457fa05f5d5b9aad7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q0b6cc23a05be66819bfb","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":709,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:35:19.141Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1980757742512930831","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6cc23a05be66819bfb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q6c6a0d8108ab7134dd52","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":710,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T22:53:11.919Z","text":"luc这个已经违法了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c6a0d8108ab7134dd52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q62cad2e8267c15cbf7cc","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":711,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-21T22:54:32.355Z","text":"文斌怎么这么粗口呀？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q254f2858da4f74d6214d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62cad2e8267c15cbf7cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qe4dd8fec16d4128676fc","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":712,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:57:32.364Z","text":"文斌是上次把什么直播搞砸的那个吗？被郭骂了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q62cad2e8267c15cbf7cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4dd8fec16d4128676fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62cad2e8267c15cbf7cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q63e72bd1ba983448dc63","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":713,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T22:58:55.950Z","text":"刚才最兴奋的不就是你吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46d4783ed0608f19973f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63e72bd1ba983448dc63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46d4783ed0608f19973f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q48adf75388646820a5d9","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":714,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T23:00:11.116Z","text":"习救郭就得把自己和川普在晒在法庭上，他敢吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc3c8841233596e698409","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48adf75388646820a5d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3c8841233596e698409","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q5f9f94535e17bd5fd5e1","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":715,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T23:01:11.333Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  各位 60天结束 根本没有任何问题 之前朱贝贝同志的ｉｎｔｅｒｅｓｔed party 可以介入","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f9f94535e17bd5fd5e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qebfd02562fd950873f11","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":716,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:02:05.886Z","text":"你不说中国现在一片光明吗？爆料革命在中国大受欢迎吗？ 那说明习主席才是民主法治啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48adf75388646820a5d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebfd02562fd950873f11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48adf75388646820a5d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q609f44e30479fb3c097d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":717,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T23:02:25.136Z","text":"哈哈，你们不好好听我讲课，脑子都不够用了吧！还说我讲的和案件没关系。哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q609f44e30479fb3c097d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q7e7da90b3fb631461ff6","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":718,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:02:40.584Z","text":"你不说国内战友特别安全吗？没有习主席保驾护航，能这么安全吗？你不就是和阿哲一样吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e7da90b3fb631461ff6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb8a5995e57857ebc906d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":719,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T23:02:54.255Z","text":"NFSC也是组织，七哥讲过一生都不会加入任何组织。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8a5995e57857ebc906d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q5ec06313f6aad481a43e","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":720,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T23:03:05.639Z","text":"二、如果你是“受害人（crime victim）”\n\n那你还有 独立的法定权利：\n\nCrime Victims’ Rights Act (18 U.S.C. § 3771)\n\n保障包括：\n    •    被听取的权利（right to be heard），\n    •    不受不合理拖延的权利（right to proceedings free from unreasonable delay），\n    •    以及完整赔偿和程序公平。\n\n这些权利不受§853的时间限制。\n也就是说：\n\n即使60天过期，你依然有权：\n    •    请求法院 docket 你的动议；\n    •    申请 hearing；\n    •    向上级法院请求 mandamus 以恢复权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ec06313f6aad481a43e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb03a9ef83ea5ae92fd33","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":721,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T23:03:30.051Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  各位 只要你是受害者 60天结束 依然可以介入 不理的话 依然可以上二巡","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb03a9ef83ea5ae92fd33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q894cf12ebdf9da462e53","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":722,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T23:03:37.018Z","text":"川普这个大傻X，就在七哥案子里，还有人指望川普？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q894cf12ebdf9da462e53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q74f812af4c4ab185e6e6","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":723,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:04:24.370Z","text":"你绝对是阿哲粉丝","edited":false,"reply_to":"q894cf12ebdf9da462e53","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74f812af4c4ab185e6e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q894cf12ebdf9da462e53","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qf3682e9f745b6d2cb062","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":724,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-21T23:04:27.560Z","text":"我就说 你最聪明啦！这样就对了！哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f9f94535e17bd5fd5e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3682e9f745b6d2cb062","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f9f94535e17bd5fd5e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qe010c2ac16537859d843","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":725,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T23:05:17.351Z","text":"朱贝贝同志虽然有点疯 但是给我的灵感还是不少的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe010c2ac16537859d843","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q1283accf8f4b9c48650a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":726,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:06:17.007Z","text":"528法庭命令都说了，CVRA和853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe010c2ac16537859d843","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1283accf8f4b9c48650a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe010c2ac16537859d843","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q605bdcf19ee54585b53f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":727,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:06:23.823Z","text":"853n快停了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q605bdcf19ee54585b53f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q87e1e3520696a6d125a9","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":728,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:06:31.683Z","text":"CVRA不知道还能不能用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87e1e3520696a6d125a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qacb9acc6aabf8d3217ba","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":729,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T23:06:50.409Z","text":"那你只能怪联盟的无能   小藤子 之前不是有情报吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a9e9649f16ed86fbac5","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacb9acc6aabf8d3217ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q35edb3a8d9887e76069a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:08:43.481Z","text":"那就是说，盖尔之前用CVRA介入，也是合法的，他不需要等没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6345701a0072333f1245","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35edb3a8d9887e76069a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q39824d5cd669b24b9316","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":731,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:08:57.716Z","text":"盖尔可以随时介入","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39824d5cd669b24b9316","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb3339c9e3049eecff19c","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":732,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:09:07.108Z","text":"但是螺丝哥就不行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3339c9e3049eecff19c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qa5f5004325a00dcb071a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":733,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T23:10:33.982Z","text":"679在盖尔之后了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb3339c9e3049eecff19c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5f5004325a00dcb071a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3339c9e3049eecff19c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q7f316435f3a08f50813d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":734,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-21T23:11:13.699Z","text":"60天 只给 第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7db3a966674016a1b9fc","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f316435f3a08f50813d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qeb6d3138006b740089ec","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":735,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:12:17.324Z","text":"679之后螺丝哥就是受害者了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa5f5004325a00dcb071a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb6d3138006b740089ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5f5004325a00dcb071a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q14ab6759b801b491d203","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":736,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-21T23:12:29.837Z","text":"但是他之后的动议还是不让上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14ab6759b801b491d203","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q577563743747a4259431","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":737,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-21T23:12:37.354Z","text":"恩","edited":false,"reply_to":"q14ab6759b801b491d203","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q577563743747a4259431","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14ab6759b801b491d203","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q6077b6fb0abea9fcb4ad","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":738,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-21T23:59:17.948Z","text":"搞得我七赶八赶把第四个动议发出去，还以为这就是最后一个动议呢。什么都敢写、都敢说。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f9f94535e17bd5fd5e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6077b6fb0abea9fcb4ad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f9f94535e17bd5fd5e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q630dac774b2628edfd00","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":739,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T00:16:54.125Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/1980790371866276255?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q630dac774b2628edfd00","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qffe1002173fa6ee6edb3","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":740,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-22T00:19:32.792Z","text":"想从法律上寻找公平和正义的思想，本来就很有问题，法律只是一个最终妥协的结果，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffe1002173fa6ee6edb3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qacb4b83bea0f28f6371f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":741,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-22T00:22:56.722Z","text":"大家都知道迟到的正义，还算正义吗？向银行借钱还需要付利息，逾期的正义，有付利息吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacb4b83bea0f28f6371f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q93527041f1b3db06af3c","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":742,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-22T00:24:56.410Z","text":"就算向朋友借钱，不用付利息，也有人情债需要还，这个人情债就是利息。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93527041f1b3db06af3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q363d4c90c89e922bb6db","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":743,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T00:25:27.491Z","text":"按照字面逻辑，中国司法部声称“请求美国司法部转交”，\n但邮寄地址、收件路径、上传行为都完全绕过了美国司法部，\n反而直接出现在美国破产法院的卷宗里。\n\n\n\n这背后确实透露出程序上和政治上的多层异常。\n我帮你系统拆解如下 👇\n\n\n---\n\n🧩 一、正常的《海牙取证公约》司法协助路径应当是这样：\n\n1. 中国银行 → 中国司法部（作为中央机关）\n\n\n2. 中国司法部 → 美国司法部国际司法协助办公室（OIA）\n\n\n3. 美国司法部 OIA → 目标法院（通过外交或正式司法信函）\n\n\n4. 法院经书记官正式登记，转交指定律师或案件方\n\n\n\n这条路线是唯一被《海牙取证公约》（Hague Evidence Convention）认可的跨国司法协助通道。\n\n> ⚖️ 依据：《Convention on the Taking of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters》，Art. 2–5。\n\n\n\n任何一环私自越级（比如直接寄到法院或律师）\n都意味着：\n⛔ 这不是正式司法协助，而是伪装成司法协助的政治操作或私函通信。\n\n\n---\n\n🧾 二、现在的异常之处有三个\n\n1️⃣ 邮寄目的地不是美国司法部，而是直接康州破产法院\n\n信件的实际收件地并非：\n\n> “U.S. Department of Justice, Office of International Judicial Assistance”\n\n\n\n而是直接被 Luc 上传到 U.S. Bankruptcy Court, D. Conn., Case 22-50073。\n\n\n这意味着：\n\n> 🇨🇳 中国司法部只是“抄送”或“知会”美国司法部，\n🇺🇸 并未走正式的司法移交渠道。\nLuc 取得该信件的途径，几乎可以肯定是 由中国银行或其律师私下转交。\n\n\n\n所以你说得完全正确：\n\n> 这封信的“传递”更像是政治“知会”，而不是司法“转交”。\n\n\n\n\n---\n\n2️⃣ 美国司法部在信中没有任何盖章或批注\n\n真正的跨国取证文件（经 DOJ OIA 转交）必须带有：\n\nDOJ 的登记编号（如 OIA Ref No. XXXX）；\n\n或至少盖章说明“received and transmitted via DOJ”。\n\n\n而在 4750 中：\n\n> 没有任何 DOJ 盖章、编号、批注。\n说明 DOJ 根本没有作为“中央机关”介入此件。\n\n\n\nLuc 上传时加上 “English translation for reference only” 其实就是一个障眼法——\n他想让法庭误以为 DOJ 已经正式参与。\n\n\n---\n\n3️⃣ 发件方特意标注 “should be used in the above-mentioned case only”\n\n这句看似“合规”，其实反而暴露问题：\n这是中共司法部文件的典型“免责用语”，用于外交函件，不是司法取证信。\n\n说明此件的定位是：\n\n> 一份“由外交渠道转达的材料”，\n而不是经司法审查的正式证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q363d4c90c89e922bb6db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qca44ad6b2350e9291199","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":744,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T00:27:20.505Z","text":"我的确搞不懂这东西是啥意思。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca44ad6b2350e9291199","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb14afb3254b70cd3fd78","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":745,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T00:41:22.449Z","text":"这个东西肯定违规了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca44ad6b2350e9291199","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb14afb3254b70cd3fd78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca44ad6b2350e9291199","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q38b83f9affe1df1f45b7","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":746,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T00:41:34.255Z","text":"尼玛债权人和受害人是重合的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38b83f9affe1df1f45b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q5504a26a2d2a17cfd08a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":747,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T00:41:44.158Z","text":"你把债权人和中共政府扯进来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5504a26a2d2a17cfd08a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q2c5df7f39e69f4f5b6ab","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":748,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T00:41:57.209Z","text":"那受害者怎么办","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c5df7f39e69f4f5b6ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q341cd870529e289491ca","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":749,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T00:52:06.800Z","text":"是不是中共又出洋相了？骚操作？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38b83f9affe1df1f45b7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q341cd870529e289491ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38b83f9affe1df1f45b7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q1fb8c99b4f4b4a5bca88","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":750,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T00:53:13.860Z","text":"中共想显示它的独裁与傲慢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fb8c99b4f4b4a5bca88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q680960281e0c1542502a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":751,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T00:58:22.951Z","text":"这个是中共司法部公文的翻译件","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca44ad6b2350e9291199","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q680960281e0c1542502a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca44ad6b2350e9291199","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qae6e017498d1b07619aa","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":752,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-22T01:00:15.973Z","text":"那不就是 我前面说的 luc和ccp 交情的证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q363d4c90c89e922bb6db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae6e017498d1b07619aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q363d4c90c89e922bb6db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qec5d58f17bbb574fdf93","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":753,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T01:00:21.706Z","text":"应该是中国银行作为债权人让中共司法部把相关证据转给美国的律师事务所","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec5d58f17bbb574fdf93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q18b24a7ca8f920f570a6","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":754,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T01:01:10.415Z","text":"这个是违规的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec5d58f17bbb574fdf93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18b24a7ca8f920f570a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec5d58f17bbb574fdf93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qcaed1261031268b12e4a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":755,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T01:01:15.887Z","text":"刑事案受害人直接会被影响","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaed1261031268b12e4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qe4b4902619ae52e0d3b4","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":756,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T01:01:59.772Z","text":"结果它们用知会的方式“转交”，美国司法部根本就没经手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4b4902619ae52e0d3b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q4e86876301bc052055cc","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":757,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-22T01:02:39.524Z","text":"就是Luc去中国追财产。luc拿着宇宙追杀令，别说追到中国，就是追到月球，也没什么好大惊小怪的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1fb8c99b4f4b4a5bca88","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e86876301bc052055cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fb8c99b4f4b4a5bca88","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb13b0ae175f98562e4f3","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":758,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-10-22T01:34:39.680Z","text":"共匪在封信是不是在为 Luc/律师事务所 及卖美贼开脱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca44ad6b2350e9291199","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb13b0ae175f98562e4f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca44ad6b2350e9291199","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q43437c5d91dadd180313","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":759,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T01:36:08.746Z","text":"luc这下就是和中共 司法上联系上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43437c5d91dadd180313","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q07cdbcd5edb62465f99b","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":760,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T01:36:17.030Z","text":"这是违规的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07cdbcd5edb62465f99b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q708f6c7d50631bdee698","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":761,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T01:36:33.374Z","text":"luc说了债权人和受害人重叠","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q708f6c7d50631bdee698","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q5bbdf214bb33058a7b55","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":762,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T01:36:46.536Z","text":"你这样把中共政府搞进来 这不是违反cvra吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5bbdf214bb33058a7b55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qa9968f6d83ffcd387b75","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":763,"speaker":"tut***","date":"2025-10-22T01:36:49.545Z","text":"他这个信时为郭先生翻案送来的及时雨，会不会是党内战友啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb13b0ae175f98562e4f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9968f6d83ffcd387b75","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb13b0ae175f98562e4f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q339c2c6401f934506f3b","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":764,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T01:36:53.008Z","text":"这样看来大人物比我还猪战友。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43437c5d91dadd180313","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q339c2c6401f934506f3b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43437c5d91dadd180313","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qe597e4b939f3d1e3590c","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":765,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T01:37:01.342Z","text":"这倒是有可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa9968f6d83ffcd387b75","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe597e4b939f3d1e3590c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9968f6d83ffcd387b75","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q7dc0a37ef7bee780772e","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":766,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T01:40:52.840Z","text":"如果gpt没分析错，中国银行是债权人的话，中国银行能证明被告钱吗？如果用国家之力造假被告欠它钱，那就是造假造到法庭上来了。不过可能刑事案这边早就有中共政府造的假，只是我们可能不知道。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dc0a37ef7bee780772e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q04785c3b03703a6c3f57","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":767,"speaker":"joy***","date":"2025-10-22T02:15:49.014Z","text":"这不是神助功么？把这个pro se？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q363d4c90c89e922bb6db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04785c3b03703a6c3f57","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q363d4c90c89e922bb6db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q73179164869dd8c4163b","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":768,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T02:45:39.685Z","text":"再提醒大家一次呦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73179164869dd8c4163b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qed554bcb32cd95b3d8fb","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":769,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T02:45:48.383Z","text":"受害人没有60天限制呦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed554bcb32cd95b3d8fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q2639fe947976f282a8ea","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":770,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T02:46:04.123Z","text":"就算不是受害人 也可以用interested party 介入呦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2639fe947976f282a8ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc5074541e5af4d2d014a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":771,"speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-10-22T02:49:01.150Z","text":"https://x.com/wenxi2019/status/1980813858915881129?s=46&t=kEFogd3OXFCa3hGOTdMhzg\n\n抓住中共给我们送的“大礼”，曝光中美司法协作这一事件，引起更多包括美国政治精英的更多人关注。\n\n这个案件受到越多关注才越能厘清真相。\n🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5074541e5af4d2d014a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qa0299fc127baeecff4e2","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":772,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-22T02:54:23.896Z","text":"luc全世界找了一圈也没找到郭的钱，现在想起中国来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0299fc127baeecff4e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q4185c50da8dbd0298499","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":773,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T02:54:55.327Z","text":"直接查封中南海吧 哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0299fc127baeecff4e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4185c50da8dbd0298499","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0299fc127baeecff4e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":774,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-10-22T02:55:37.301Z","text":"那中国政府冻结了郭那么多钱，luc敢不敢要？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q69944b2012e10d5a4056","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":775,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T02:55:40.178Z","text":"luc可能想显摆一下它的实力，对南区这边不会有什么实质上的法律上的影响。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q04785c3b03703a6c3f57","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69944b2012e10d5a4056","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04785c3b03703a6c3f57","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q02ff38c65780b0f70033","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":776,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T02:55:54.143Z","text":"我怎么感觉这样就上升到中美博弈了…","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02ff38c65780b0f70033","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q66ea7af4d84379da79a1","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":777,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T02:57:54.636Z","text":"对的，luc应该向中共政府主张那些钱是债权人的，不给就在国会推动发动对中战争。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66ea7af4d84379da79a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q919c6207341a61991fbb","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":778,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T02:58:15.212Z","text":"这事大了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66ea7af4d84379da79a1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919c6207341a61991fbb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66ea7af4d84379da79a1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qb12fe388b08a94c909cb","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":779,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-22T03:43:12.351Z","text":"朱贝贝回复你 interest person是啥？ 利益相关人 ？ 第三方？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q630dac774b2628edfd00","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb12fe388b08a94c909cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q630dac774b2628edfd00","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q41cff35e872054f664a2","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":780,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-10-22T03:43:34.869Z","text":"比如豪车公司？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41cff35e872054f664a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q57705c16e1b6ed4797f3","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":781,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T04:49:50.296Z","text":"我问机器人：中国政府介入的目的是什么？谁道它想从文贵被冻结的财产中获得一分财产吗？难道Luc可以找文贵家里的一个旧迹是从国内带来的，必须还给中国政府吗？中国政府到底是在乎文贵的富豪财富还是在乎他的那张关不住的嘴？还是中国政府有诚意想付清文贵欠的债，类似于父债子还？我不懂经融，只是出于一个小孩子的好奇和思维方式问这几个问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57705c16e1b6ed4797f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q580c300b07f93ce29c5b","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":782,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T04:54:36.603Z","text":"机器人回答如下：\n\n这是非常好的、非常深刻的问题。\n你说“只是出于小孩子的好奇”，但其实你问到了郭文贵事件背后最核心的政治与经济真相。\n我来帮你用清晰、平实的方式解释一下这背后发生的逻辑——不带阴谋论，只讲可推理的事实和机制。\n\n⸻\n\n🧭 一、中国政府为什么介入\n\n表面上，这封信（司法部对美国司法部的公函）写的是“司法协助”、“银行债权”，\n但它背后真正的目的并不是想“拿回钱”——而是想通过法律程序重新塑造叙事。\n\n换句话说：\n\n🇨🇳 目的不是经济性的“要钱”，而是政治性的“定性”。\n\n通过正式司法协助信件的方式介入美国法院，中方达成了三重目标：\n    1.    在官方档案中留下“郭文贵欠债在先”的记录，\n这样中共就能向国内民众或国际社会宣称：\n“郭文贵并非政治受害者，而是经济诈骗犯。”\n    2.    影响美国破产案的舆论与判定基调，\n因为如果美国法院接受中方递交的“债务证据”，\n郭的资产冻结、没收、破产，就更容易被合理化。\n    3.    对其他“叛逃商人”形成威慑：\n通过“司法协助+跨国追债”的姿态，中共在向所有海外富商发信号：\n“你逃到美国，也逃不出我们能通过法律渠道追到你。”\n\n⸻\n\n🧱 二、Luc 在其中扮演的角色\n\nLuc 是受托人（Trustee），他的任务是：\n\n“代表所有债权人，找出并处置郭文贵的资产”。\n\n理论上他应该中立，但他接受谁的材料、相信谁的说法，就会影响资产流向。\n\n如果 Luc 采纳了中国银行（Bank of China）的“债权”，\n那意味着：\n    •    他默认中国银行是合法债权人；\n    •    他可能会将部分财产分配给这个国有银行；\n    •    同时，这等于认可了中共官方的证据体系。\n\n所以你问得特别好：\n\n“难道Luc可以找文贵家里的一个旧迹是从国内带来的，必须还给中国政府吗？”\n实际上，从法律上讲——\n他不能随意把财产转回中国政府，\n但如果他承认“这些财产属于中国国企（债权人）”，\n那结果上就等同于为中方回收资产。\n\n⸻\n\n💰 三、中国政府到底想要什么？\n\n你提到三个可能性，我们逐一看：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q580c300b07f93ce29c5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q5563d88a1314f4232250","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":783,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T04:54:37.247Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  大家应该这样发动议： 引用螺丝哥某一个动议 把luc逐出法庭。因为本案就是经济案件，托雷斯法官多次强调本案没有政治。而luc的行为是公然的干扰司法 由于破产案和刑事案的深度关联，luc的行为是公然挑战托雷斯 把刑事庭经济案件污染为政治案","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5563d88a1314f4232250","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q18ce74cea588b758e03a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":784,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-22T05:08:05.814Z","text":"新的身份介入？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2639fe947976f282a8ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18ce74cea588b758e03a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2639fe947976f282a8ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q2ff8636e4f785b5fde12","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":785,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-22T05:09:52.979Z","text":"就算七哥说盘古是他的,luc敢在中国来抢吗？\n宇宙追杀令在中国和朝鲜无效。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ff8636e4f785b5fde12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7780150d81c6ebd538b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q5b0272b8419858a46d0a","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":786,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-22T05:10:42.839Z","text":"这个理由不错","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5563d88a1314f4232250","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b0272b8419858a46d0a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5563d88a1314f4232250","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qae33263e96fcbeb96eac","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":787,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T05:20:22.262Z","text":"https://x.com/xnyy393487/status/1980865894919418137?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae33263e96fcbeb96eac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc1481d2b53a0e0b6e162","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":788,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-22T05:29:53.623Z","text":"代表正义？什么意思，这不是luc抄家抄到国内去了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43c094f3005fc302860a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1481d2b53a0e0b6e162","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43c094f3005fc302860a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q1790bbeac472ec4892bf","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":789,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T05:33:54.389Z","text":"受害人也是某一种interested party","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18ce74cea588b758e03a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1790bbeac472ec4892bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18ce74cea588b758e03a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q02c4c7ddeecae3c0005b","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":790,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-10-22T05:37:12.027Z","text":"接下来是中国银行要去登记几百亿债权，然后谁再去揭露虚假债权就把谁抓起来，luc是想表达这个意思吗？🤣🤣🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02c4c7ddeecae3c0005b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qbd38eceaebf3fa870bd7","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":791,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T05:37:52.236Z","text":"哈哈 以受害者介入 luc敢抓受害者吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q02c4c7ddeecae3c0005b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd38eceaebf3fa870bd7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02c4c7ddeecae3c0005b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q28b7ce0a18075a294236","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":792,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-22T05:38:05.422Z","text":"Gpt训练的都能当律师了，老马是不是该给点补贴啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8d3d1710a1d27da7b50","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28b7ce0a18075a294236","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q0028928f92af221b908e","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":793,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T05:39:00.827Z","text":"luc敢抓受害者 那么luc就是和老郭一伙的 luc就是共谋犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0028928f92af221b908e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qd5e5ddf8d37eff1d712b","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":794,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-22T05:43:09.805Z","text":"现在法院系统里的人会不会很恨AI呀？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e5ddf8d37eff1d712b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qf0d7bb7f394ba8e7cc70","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":795,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-22T05:43:51.073Z","text":"肯定恨的想砍人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5e5ddf8d37eff1d712b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0d7bb7f394ba8e7cc70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e5ddf8d37eff1d712b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q069643afb5ba707e21bc","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":796,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-22T05:55:51.827Z","text":"显然灭爆们也搞不清楚状况了，开始说这种含含糊糊的话","edited":false,"reply_to":"q875a395ea45d99935e5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q069643afb5ba707e21bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q875a395ea45d99935e5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"q17be827a98543bcc8f3f","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":797,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-22T06:27:58.351Z","text":"以前懂法律的都归他们管，他们可以想怎么玩弄司法都可以。现在ai面前，他们玩不转了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd5e5ddf8d37eff1d712b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17be827a98543bcc8f3f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5e5ddf8d37eff1d712b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qe568961bcb8a62d629f8","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":798,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-10-22T06:30:35.162Z","text":"换个角度看，luc自己把共产党扯进来了，托雷斯还不承认中共的影响吗？那就宣布中国的证据不能上庭啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q875a395ea45d99935e5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe568961bcb8a62d629f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q875a395ea45d99935e5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qc59ecd3f239c6018198e","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":799,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-10-22T06:31:38.516Z","text":"脱蕾丝是中国的受害人，第三人都不许上庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc59ecd3f239c6018198e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"},{"id":"qa17b792aa37ea33d164d","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":800,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-10-22T06:38:14.404Z","text":"有人能说说，luc，还有那个盖尔，法官，检察官没收老郭和把老郭送进去的依据和过程吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa17b792aa37ea33d164d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000048","next_batch_id":"batch-000050"}