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都没办法要回来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea68f9770e0e26226f1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qe5936a18260443873c67","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":447,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:06:13.387Z","text":"你说，画的大饼，p2p就可以实现吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5936a18260443873c67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q923adbfbeefbe668aa31","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":448,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:06:31.166Z","text":"所以，你们才高深","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3cb0a15302b8f00045c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q923adbfbeefbe668aa31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3cb0a15302b8f00045c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q25d9ea7b8208d4af7162","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":449,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:07:24.950Z","text":"你中有我，我中有你，真时亦真，假时亦假","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25d9ea7b8208d4af7162","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1beadcac964fe4ffa05b","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":450,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T13:07:30.227Z","text":"这世道，骗子被说成好人，好人被说成骗子，真是黑白颠倒啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q923adbfbeefbe668aa31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1beadcac964fe4ffa05b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q923adbfbeefbe668aa31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1159716c2fd6c06c8a31","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":451,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:07:52.880Z","text":"你这pua词不行","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1beadcac964fe4ffa05b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1159716c2fd6c06c8a31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1beadcac964fe4ffa05b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qd2764a436e1838b6d2c5","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":452,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:08:09.580Z","text":"骗子骗术在逻辑面前屁都不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2764a436e1838b6d2c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9143083bc1661967cae4","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":453,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T13:08:20.817Z","text":"所以说，识真假，多难啊。像你这种，给你真的东西，被你当成假的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25d9ea7b8208d4af7162","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9143083bc1661967cae4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25d9ea7b8208d4af7162","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q7fa89cc5547737af83d7","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":454,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:09:08.827Z","text":"你这教育类型的Pua词太low了，换一下，谈点逻辑性的事情","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9143083bc1661967cae4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fa89cc5547737af83d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9143083bc1661967cae4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q87530f2fa8e84ce48f75","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":455,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:09:53.811Z","text":"和我谈，就是事实和逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87530f2fa8e84ce48f75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qb3a46d9af5991cf19234","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":456,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:11:26.800Z","text":"Pua+转移话题是没有意义的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3a46d9af5991cf19234","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qc532c114fa37bb727fdb","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":457,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:33:03.145Z","text":"为什么说用学字，这是应对你经常说自己是3岁智商，所以谢谢这个词对你太难，但是你又非常要感谢我，所以你拼命学说“谢谢”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"h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rui***］ 最新这句是不是3 押了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf37eb4343e387a9d5dcd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qbf573c84ac76b739dfca","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":459,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T13:45:58.639Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 你看有我在，说粗话的人也少了，骂人的事情也少了，就是你的那群狗仔，没有学会你的污蔑，学了一点的Pua词+扣帽子","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf573c84ac76b739dfca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qa3df15b4718ceee01592","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":460,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2025-12-02T14:48:01.359Z","text":"公务员，检察官，法官都经常调动好，不能让他们在一个地儿呆长了，就像共匪的异地作官一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q764a22aada4d23168df1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3df15b4718ceee01592","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q764a22aada4d23168df1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q6c973bde358d0bbc1678","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":461,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:01:53.211Z","text":"你怎么看：纯法律结论（不带任何情绪）\n无论他们嘴上怎么说“我不是郭文贵的受害人”，只要他们在任何联邦程序里行使被害人权利，在法律上就等同于：\n•  亲口承认郭文贵犯了检方指控的所有罪名\n•  亲手把量刑指南往最高档推\n•  亲手把郭文贵的名字和“诈骗犯”永久钉在联邦法院判决书上\n所以从纯法律角度看，他们越是强调“我是检方的受害人”，对郭文贵的伤害越大——因为这恰恰是将检方的全部指控从“检察官的说法”变成了“大量被害人亲口证实的事实”。\n一句话总结：\n在联邦刑事法庭里，“我是检方的受害人”这句话的法律效果，和“我是郭文贵诈骗的受害人”完全一模一样，而且杀伤力更强，因为它让检方的指控获得了“被害人群体认证”的最高级别证明力","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb763e8d91e4acd3b120","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c973bde358d0bbc1678","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qf27f07bf878a2266944e","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":462,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-02T15:21:30.429Z","text":"第三方自诉853n 强调不是郭先生受害人， 这就是为什么Torres 不入卷的原因。这就是为什么去二巡强迫Torres入卷。二巡给瑞恩的回复证明了Torres打压第三方的事实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf27f07bf878a2266944e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q3da9e798ca80cb4c480c","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":463,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:24:05.806Z","text":"搞笑，法院讲程序，你以为中共的思维：这是一个非常好的问题，它触及了美国联邦刑事司法中一个关键的法律原则：法律程序只关注客观事实和行为的后果，不考虑受害者的主观动机或情感立场。\n之所以会出现“不是郭文贵先生伤害我，却对他不利”的情况，核心原因在于联邦刑事程序对“受害人”的定义和量刑机制。\n🧐 导致这种结果的三个关键法律机制\n1. 法律对“受害人”的客观定义\n联邦刑事程序中，“受害人”（Victim）的法律地位是基于检方的起诉书确定的。\n * 检方的立场： 检方指控郭文贵先生实施了金融诈骗，起诉书列出了具体的受损人。在法律眼中，这些被起诉书列为受损的人，就是该犯罪行为的受害人。\n * 法院的立场： 法院在定罪（或接受认罪）后，其首要任务是确定犯罪造成的客观损害和赔偿对象。法官关注的是：\n   * 金钱损失是否发生？ (Did the financial loss occur?)\n   * 损失是否与被指控的犯罪行为直接相关？ (Is the loss caused by the alleged criminal scheme?)\n * 您的主观意愿被忽略： 您主观上认为“不是郭文贵先生伤害我”，但当您行使受害人权利（例如，要求取回资金）时，您在法律上客观地确认了：您的资金损失了，并且损失是发生在检方指控的这个**“被诈骗的计划”**之内的。\n结论： 法律程序只看您客观上是否是被起诉的犯罪行为的受损方，而不在乎您是否仍支持被告人。您的参与被法律程序解读为：对犯罪事实的损失部分的确认。\n2. 量刑指南的机械性计算\n美国《联邦量刑指南》（U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, USSGs）在计算刑期时，是一个高度量化和机械化的过程。它要求法官必须考虑以下因素：\n * 总损失金额 (Total Loss Amount)： 所有的受害人主张的损失金额会被累加。这个总数直接决定了被告人的罪行级别。您的资金被计入，就提高了总损失，从而提高了刑期。\n * 受害人数量 (Number of Victims)： 法官必须清点所有受到犯罪行为影响的个体数量。数量越多，量刑级别越高。您作为其中之一，也增加了量刑的加重因素。\n结论： 量刑指南不包含受害人是否支持被告人的考量因素。您的参与行为只被视为**“增加了损失金额和受害人数”，直接导致了对郭文贵先生不利的量刑加重**。\n3. 赔偿的强制性义务\n美国法律赋予受害人**要求赔偿（Restitution）**的权利。\n * 当您行使这一权利时，无论您嘴上怎么说，您实际上是在向法庭提出一个法律要求，即：您希望拿回在这起被控犯罪中失去的钱。\n * 法庭一旦判决郭文贵先生有罪，就会发布强制性赔偿令。您的名字和金额会被写在赔偿令上，成为郭文贵先生必须履行的法律义务，进一步固化其“诈骗犯”的法律身份和经济负担。\n因此，之所以会出现您说的这种情况，是因为您的行动（行使权利）带来的客观法律效果，已经完全超越了您的主观意愿（支持被告人），从而对被告人产生了直接、不利的法律后果。\n您是否想了解在量刑阶段，郭文贵先生的辩护律师可以如何利用您“不支持检方”的立场？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3da9e798ca80cb4c480c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qabd18ac9faa16fc47a11","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":464,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-02T15:26:48.367Z","text":"853n就是法律程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabd18ac9faa16fc47a11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q64425f9871c4566a8ef1","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":465,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:28:19.323Z","text":"自诉陷阱都搞不明白，还谈法律程序。很多人和你说自诉的好处，有几个人和你说自诉陷阱呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64425f9871c4566a8ef1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q2aa8e499b809a99d36b1","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":466,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:31:01.220Z","text":"这是破坏人家做神的大计","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e8b2b546ba6d2337d0e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa8e499b809a99d36b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qb3daaba5cf3c3157dadd","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":467,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:31:43.305Z","text":"［用户 rui***］ 谈谈我的3押，有没有押呢","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3daaba5cf3c3157dadd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qe00f62477d21aa3bce87","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":468,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:34:44.210Z","text":"自诉陷阱如果没有规避的话，不只是对文贵先生不利，对自诉人利益也很不利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe00f62477d21aa3bce87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1c7bcc9c409f069e6159","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":469,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:35:16.731Z","text":"对后面准备自诉的也有很糟糕的影响","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c7bcc9c409f069e6159","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q3662f98f0dbdaf9f06d7","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":470,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:35:49.392Z","text":"捅刀已成为事实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3662f98f0dbdaf9f06d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q52b0c822685bea311c30","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":471,"speaker":"ran***","date":"2025-12-02T15:36:12.735Z","text":"最喜欢听的就是不同的论调、不喜欢听一致的论调、多说说你的见解和立场，可否？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3da9e798ca80cb4c480c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52b0c822685bea311c30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3da9e798ca80cb4c480c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q3b7c98ccb0bd30378042","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":472,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T15:40:15.996Z","text":"我也不知道啊 什么时候回本啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qae02ac08e9348ff748d7","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b7c98ccb0bd30378042","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q240d2b68fe765e28c478","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":473,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-02T15:40:16.391Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 检方逻辑，除了郭文贵和共谋犯，其他人都是受害者！你嘴上喊着不是受害者，没有任何用。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q240d2b68fe765e28c478","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qf6411fcfc1cd5f11d828","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":474,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-02T15:42:04.684Z","text":"自诉没有任何陷阱。自诉砸锅，已经没有任何必要。因为郭文贵也正常结局就是牢底坐穿挫骨扬灰。\n\n当然，自诉找检方麻烦，找其他第三方麻烦，找法院麻烦，也许可能对郭文贵有利。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe00f62477d21aa3bce87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6411fcfc1cd5f11d828","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe00f62477d21aa3bce87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qadd6701cb982ae2078dc","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":475,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:43:18.153Z","text":"你这是老调重弹了，如果还是继续这个提议，还有可能还有其他不利影响","edited":false,"reply_to":"q240d2b68fe765e28c478","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadd6701cb982ae2078dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q240d2b68fe765e28c478","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qb2e4e53d7b238d56ad7f","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":476,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:44:08.775Z","text":"这是你的认为，你Pua别人就行，不要把自己也pua了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6411fcfc1cd5f11d828","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2e4e53d7b238d56ad7f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6411fcfc1cd5f11d828","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q83b18eb5c756f6f15226","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":477,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:47:18.449Z","text":"如果没有规避自诉陷阱，你们很多行为，是准备真的让老郭把牢底做穿了。会加重量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e76ff20009335509ee8","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83b18eb5c756f6f15226","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1bae92669fcb85c05a48","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":478,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T15:47:45.600Z","text":"加重很好 加到一百年","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83b18eb5c756f6f15226","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bae92669fcb85c05a48","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83b18eb5c756f6f15226","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q80a5760f59aa2cd26ad6","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":479,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-02T15:48:30.483Z","text":"郭也就30年的寿命了 30年就行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80a5760f59aa2cd26ad6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1b6d0e91d328bcb6b265","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":480,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T15:51:50.817Z","text":"我们就是一群没底线的投机分子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18f437c3b9612b20bd9e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6d0e91d328bcb6b265","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qed5b7a56b79705cc80d3","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":481,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:53:41.256Z","text":"你投机的事情已经不少了，前有人认就九指妖做妈，群里有你认唐平做妈，这也是投机吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b6d0e91d328bcb6b265","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed5b7a56b79705cc80d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6d0e91d328bcb6b265","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q759ff39c3138cb856bb0","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":482,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T15:54:56.529Z","text":"加重量刑无所谓，反正现在能看到的好处是，luc不来抢钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83b18eb5c756f6f15226","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q759ff39c3138cb856bb0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83b18eb5c756f6f15226","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q5633207a464a8ff54d9a","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":483,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T15:55:28.479Z","text":"老郭是个成年人，他自己的事他自己处理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5633207a464a8ff54d9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qf1653a9f52b3f3776e3f","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":484,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T15:56:07.614Z","text":"第三方打走luc和非法抢钱的，保护自己的财产，就是胜利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1653a9f52b3f3776e3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qc9bb2920f7b8d6261f05","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":485,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:56:24.831Z","text":"今天被我把自诉的弊端丢出来，你们就换个方式准备Pua了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q551eb95ea3a7021efab5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9bb2920f7b8d6261f05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q395de2c36b6eef5c4af7","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":486,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T15:57:47.412Z","text":"自诉有什么弊端啊，我咋没看着啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9bb2920f7b8d6261f05","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q395de2c36b6eef5c4af7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9bb2920f7b8d6261f05","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q0cdf82144d4871f39751","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":487,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T15:58:36.702Z","text":"自己去问Ai，自诉陷阱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q395de2c36b6eef5c4af7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cdf82144d4871f39751","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q395de2c36b6eef5c4af7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9e332d8dfe4466dcdd1a","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":488,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T15:59:11.573Z","text":"干什么都有风险，目前看来自诉好处大过风险","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0cdf82144d4871f39751","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e332d8dfe4466dcdd1a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cdf82144d4871f39751","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qa6d98030b01c18aa7331","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":489,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T16:00:00.601Z","text":"那是你看来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e332d8dfe4466dcdd1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6d98030b01c18aa7331","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e332d8dfe4466dcdd1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9e67da7ed3fe63456d5f","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":490,"speaker":"him*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主理人牢底坐穿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83bbdb7cebd3e6283dfe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q581d03fa5817098c3059","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":498,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T16:07:50.141Z","text":"所以你们的意思就是自诉人会让郭牢底坐穿，这就是你们说的风险啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83bbdb7cebd3e6283dfe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q581d03fa5817098c3059","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83bbdb7cebd3e6283dfe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q175cda53c92ef856e530","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":499,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T16:09:48.467Z","text":"我评估了一下，你们几个说事不讲逻辑和常识，和你们谈如同对[屏蔽词]谈琴，找个可以一点逻辑思维的出来","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q175cda53c92ef856e530","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q557d0a4adf6688105e8a","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":500,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T16:10:44.519Z","text":"Luc不来抢钱了，你还在这群泡着，文悅破防了，就是进展啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe01895fe9ea8348c2c2f","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q557d0a4adf6688105e8a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q2aec67975021bd5cedfc","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":501,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-02T16:11:39.999Z","text":"我不懂 我看结果 我只是想回本而已 没别的想法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q557d0a4adf6688105e8a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aec67975021bd5cedfc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q557d0a4adf6688105e8a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q25c8560fe7e0a2353b17","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":502,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T16:12:41.919Z","text":"回本去找检方登记","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2aec67975021bd5cedfc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25c8560fe7e0a2353b17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aec67975021bd5cedfc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q352e5c578311f12d9315","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":503,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T16:16:55.731Z","text":"在这群泡着，能回本啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2aec67975021bd5cedfc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q352e5c578311f12d9315","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aec67975021bd5cedfc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q25e019b51df08a6886d8","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":504,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T16:37:22.502Z","text":"［用户 hua***］ 黄先生，[删节：成员身份]不。你看到了挺郭人给文贵先生捅刀子，爽不爽","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25e019b51df08a6886d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qceefe9039e275d01dbcf","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":505,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T16:44:29.916Z","text":"你怎么被盯上了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8197e1fd540b62e4a011","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceefe9039e275d01dbcf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q5dd3ab1c9704d72ed39d","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":506,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T16:45:58.028Z","text":"好像[删节：成员身份]也非常针对你","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd06ba8a488f9a78f8da2","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dd3ab1c9704d72ed39d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q578a49183f1526f25c74","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":507,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T16:46:48.321Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]也是啊，可我一直很低调啊😵‍💫","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5dd3ab1c9704d72ed39d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q578a49183f1526f25c74","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dd3ab1c9704d72ed39d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qfa2d32cf17d0582d493b","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":508,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T17:09:18.280Z","text":"他们是不是怀疑你才是写动议的人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q578a49183f1526f25c74","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa2d32cf17d0582d493b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q578a49183f1526f25c74","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qd475016b5bd504550470","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":509,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-02T17:10:04.826Z","text":"对，所有法庭动议其实都是我写的😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa2d32cf17d0582d493b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd475016b5bd504550470","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa2d32cf17d0582d493b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qd7fe8794045d261f0f7f","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":510,"speaker":"jin***","date":"2025-12-02T17:19:41.329Z","text":"我的农场借贷款,不知道能否退回,我申请退款了!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7fe8794045d261f0f7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qdf6d07acfeb9eb28bf1c","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":511,"speaker":"a05***","date":"2025-12-02T17:20:07.208Z","text":"你的农场是哪个？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd7fe8794045d261f0f7f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf6d07acfeb9eb28bf1c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7fe8794045d261f0f7f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qba900a3fd47ae2288441","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":512,"speaker":"a05***","date":"2025-12-02T17:20:43.671Z","text":"我全是农场","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba900a3fd47ae2288441","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qb7ec654cc9910a191316","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":513,"speaker":"jin***","date":"2025-12-02T17:20:44.465Z","text":"香草山!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7ec654cc9910a191316","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qb32f971e6924b9516ab6","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":514,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-12-02T17:21:03.143Z","text":"没有特别针对谁啦，我是针对觉得自己上动议能改变案件结果的行为点评一下，whoever that may be","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb32f971e6924b9516ab6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1ac19d8a74dd5080aa56","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":515,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-12-02T17:22:26.005Z","text":"老郭的量刑日期只能被两件事改变：凑够钱跟川普换一个赦免，或者死亡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ac19d8a74dd5080aa56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qef3326fafb966ece2b58","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":516,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T17:42:04.179Z","text":"量刑日期已经不可能实现了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ac19d8a74dd5080aa56","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef3326fafb966ece2b58","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ac19d8a74dd5080aa56","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qd4b71590ab79283c96f1","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":517,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T17:45:34.768Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 你要是可以说的上话 让老郭接受赦免可能是一个大家都能接受的方案","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4b71590ab79283c96f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qcdcabb44f1e0285a9f7a","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":518,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T17:45:48.556Z","text":"但我本人绝不接受","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4b71590ab79283c96f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdcabb44f1e0285a9f7a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4b71590ab79283c96f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q6ea91e466d0e5c86a07b","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":519,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-02T18:46:42.827Z","text":"他就是[删节：成员身份] [删节：成员身份] ［用户 hah***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qbb33b922a9ff796eeec1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ea91e466d0e5c86a07b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qae0c47d133e072e99d1f","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":520,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-02T21:24:14.410Z","text":"文悦最近总是在说摘桃，加上A先生操办郭美男朋友话题，看来文贵就是被瑞恩和螺丝哥这两个疯子搞出来的。😂\n是文悦背后的主子想摘桃吧？它们的话要反着听。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6ea91e466d0e5c86a07b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae0c47d133e072e99d1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ea91e466d0e5c86a07b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qc0f0bc217a8966938355","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":521,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T22:39:12.000Z","text":"这个群里主动自己承认并认领[屏蔽词]头衔的有2个，一个是[删节：成员身份]。一个是你的瑞恩。看你在群里的表现，和我的研究发现，几次瑞恩的动议，你很有现场派卵的潜质","edited":true,"reply_to":"qae0c47d133e072e99d1f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f0bc217a8966938355","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae0c47d133e072e99d1f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qdcbf11229d3f48efa918","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":522,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T22:54:06.913Z","text":"========\n伪类操作行为(一)\n========\n1. 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成功策反或者引导\n（以上行为是引导农场或者联盟的核心成员，也就是PUA的一种）\n========","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcbf11229d3f48efa918","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q5f706cc2111f0a19ccf7","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":523,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-02T23:40:06.698Z","text":"怎么样，我几年前搞的伪类操作行为，感觉如何","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f706cc2111f0a19ccf7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qe773797ec7dce5fb0b0e","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":524,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-03T02:09:50.793Z","text":"联盟说郭案没有更新😆 瑞恩的动议直接被忽略","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe773797ec7dce5fb0b0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qd6a062e6ab7a33193bcc","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":525,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-03T02:12:26.846Z","text":"只有郭翻案出来才能打他们的脸","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe773797ec7dce5fb0b0e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6a062e6ab7a33193bcc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe773797ec7dce5fb0b0e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9e55bccd78944bc6909c","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":526,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-03T02:17:58.654Z","text":"联盟这帮人什么时候跑路 郭什么时候出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e55bccd78944bc6909c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1b0894d44d3a75eaef48","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":527,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-03T02:18:05.224Z","text":"不就这么简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b0894d44d3a75eaef48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q2aa3c13de9b87383912a","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":528,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-03T02:18:44.171Z","text":"这又是哪位的八卦！？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb33b922a9ff796eeec1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa3c13de9b87383912a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q83d9f1109f08072f4852","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":529,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-03T02:19:16.553Z","text":"别狗咬狗了 把郭弄出来要紧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83d9f1109f08072f4852","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qdf111bd7be5bb9114ccc","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":530,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-03T02:25:45.533Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf111bd7be5bb9114ccc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q8fbd1feaf9a3006c5dfc","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":531,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-03T02:26:55.470Z","text":"迟早的事，还有那些骗子爱郭贼，假郭美。。。。。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6a062e6ab7a33193bcc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fbd1feaf9a3006c5dfc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6a062e6ab7a33193bcc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q017f863e7f35b71d31e5","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":532,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T03:32:12.511Z","text":"哈哈 说得也没错","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe773797ec7dce5fb0b0e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q017f863e7f35b71d31e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe773797ec7dce5fb0b0e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q55d74baffcd40c531fa2","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":533,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T03:32:25.143Z","text":"郭本人的确实没更新😄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55d74baffcd40c531fa2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q0f0e2406f16b44bdf00e","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":534,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T04:05:54.130Z","text":"打算扣我个：和共匪勾结，出卖陷害你这个为民主运动做出贡献的领袖？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f0e2406f16b44bdf00e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9741e28c3e29c4fb8f39","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":535,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-03T04:12:25.973Z","text":"这是十年前2015的照片。收藏在微信了。\n\n我要是歪瓜裂枣，那绝大多数中国人，在你眼里就都是歪瓜裂枣了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9741e28c3e29c4fb8f39","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qf761c6034b3c813e7260","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":536,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T04:13:45.478Z","text":"你这又污蔑我了，我可没有说绝大多数中国人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9741e28c3e29c4fb8f39","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf761c6034b3c813e7260","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9741e28c3e29c4fb8f39","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qab7d58d471af58257664","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":537,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T04:23:24.200Z","text":"1. 第一张 (左上) 和第三张 (右下) 的男性：\n• 面部特征： 两人似乎有着相似的脸型和五官结构（例如，眼睛、鼻子、嘴唇的形状）。\n• 发型： 都有相似的深色短发。\n• 整体神态： 尽管表情不同，但脸部给人的整体感觉是相似的，第三张照片中的男性可能是第一张照片中的男性在不同时间/状态下的样子。\n2. 第二张 (中间) 的女性与其他照片：\n• 第二张照片中的是一位女性，且是黑白/旧照片，穿着和整体风格与另外两张的男性差异较大。她与另外两张照片中的人没有明显的、肉眼可见的相似之处。\n总结来说， 最主要的相似点是第一张和第三张照片中的两位男性在外貌上有明显的相似性。\n您是否想让我尝试识别第一张和第三张照片中的男性是同一个人，或者是否有血缘关系？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab7d58d471af58257664","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q427eb9413ca4f1523359","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":538,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T04:24:47.326Z","text":"这是一个很有趣的问题！\n基于肉眼观察，我们可以做出以下判断：\n🧐 关于同一个人或血缘关系的可能性\n * 第一张照片 (左上) 和 第三张照片 (右下) 的男性：\n   * 很有可能是同一个人。这两张照片中的男性在脸型、五官特征、眉眼间距、鼻子形状等方面都有极高的相似度。虽然第一张光线较强且面部放松，第三张光线较暗且在笑，但从脸部骨骼和主要特征上看，它们非常吻合。如果不是同一个人，那么他们也必定具有非常近的血缘关系（如兄弟）。\n   * 结论： 极高概率为同一人，或为兄弟。\n * 第二张照片 (中间) 的女性：\n   * 从特征、服饰和年代感（黑白/老照片风格）来看，她与前两张的男性没有明显的相似性。\n   * 不过， 如果将前两张的男性视为儿子或孙子，那么这张照片中的女性（假设是母亲或祖母）可能是与他们有血缘关系的长辈。遗传基因可能会在其他方面有所体现，但仅凭视觉对比，无法确认血缘关系。\n📌 总结\n最显著的相似性是：\n * 第一张和第三张照片中的两位男性在外貌上有极高的相似性，极可能是同一个人。\n由于我是一个AI助手，无法进行官方或高精度的生物识别比对（这是专业人脸识别技术的功能），我的判断仅基于图像视觉分析。\n您希望我再尝试从其他角度（比如背景或穿着）来对比这些照片吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q427eb9413ca4f1523359","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qa541d41ff47e40c23007","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":539,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-03T04:43:39.991Z","text":"你赶快联系毛大胖子。告诉他，我要分他的家产\n\n[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa541d41ff47e40c23007","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q3ae28a00aecc7334b062","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":540,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T04:57:07.702Z","text":"你看看，这个链条是不是对上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ae28a00aecc7334b062","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q15520d45fab3587a3dd8","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":541,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-03T05:07:59.737Z","text":"你马勒戈壁的，网上说毛的那个傻儿子，没有生育能力。那么，他怎么搞出来的这个胖子啊？按照你的[屏蔽词]机器人的说法，毛大胖子的东西，都属于我的","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1104f2225e89cc96fe07","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15520d45fab3587a3dd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1a02c90c684403379375","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":542,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-03T05:09:58.134Z","text":"2021年，石家庄开发区那边还是封控，厂里给弄这玩意，上下班","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a02c90c684403379375","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q8a8539647efd8ee760ae","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":543,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T06:01:16.795Z","text":"怎么的，今天不谈自诉了？不上天庭了？不成神了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a8539647efd8ee760ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qd66b1eefb863adbd7eea","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":544,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T06:33:18.473Z","text":"螺丝哥[删节：成员身份] 角色分析\n定位：准备摘桃人（司法试水型），多准确。\n通过AI将螺丝哥和毛贼东的人像比对一下，\nAI认为是有血缘关系的，\n从宫斗剧的角度看，\n它家宫斗失败，流落民间，\n所以借爆料革命，\n\n一方面想通过自诉，加速灭郭，取得战绩，获得毛贼家人认同；\n另一方面想摘桃，通过自诉救郭的名义，从NFSC中获得救郭的第一把交椅；","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd66b1eefb863adbd7eea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9d6c25d43fb78f0a48f9","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":545,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-03T06:46:19.978Z","text":"等到文贵出来的时候，看它还有没有机会在这个群里发声，说：这不是你俩干的。😂\n那它想说是谁干的呢？它怕你俩摘桃，那它觉得谁应该拿到这块荣誉勋章呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8bebac6daf7b7312d5a9","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d6c25d43fb78f0a48f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qffdceb08e2ec09975b18","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":546,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-03T06:53:04.615Z","text":"我实话实说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q942060112ff975bf75d8","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffdceb08e2ec09975b18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q09c6ed4af8b492516c1a","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":547,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:50:42.750Z","text":"我的NFSC桃林生态，把你们这局，哪联盟，那啥那啥的，全都分析透透","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09c6ed4af8b492516c1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9da5cf58a0fa0b20dc5b","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":548,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:51:20.339Z","text":"你们还是省点心，再花点心思，升级升级一下你们的骗术吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9da5cf58a0fa0b20dc5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qeda7b566fab54daa3457","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":549,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T08:54:09.492Z","text":"我们骗不骗是法官说了算","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9da5cf58a0fa0b20dc5b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeda7b566fab54daa3457","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9da5cf58a0fa0b20dc5b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1ac349162e9fae07633e","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":550,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T08:54:17.248Z","text":"法官说南区打压 南区就是打压","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ac349162e9fae07633e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q7e7341bc0b9da2a23b8c","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":551,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T08:54:28.157Z","text":"你还想挑战法官？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e7341bc0b9da2a23b8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q8c2dde72ed3a3a68cce1","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":552,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:54:34.653Z","text":"这就是你们骗术的高名之处了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c2dde72ed3a3a68cce1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qd06fb89bfa4f8eab3ccc","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":553,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:54:52.525Z","text":"我这两天就说了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd06fb89bfa4f8eab3ccc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q9824a193a8ed223b0251","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":554,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T08:55:06.982Z","text":"法官都没看出来我骗 你比法官还牛逼？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9824a193a8ed223b0251","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q22c25b5359e7665d21c2","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":555,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:55:16.126Z","text":"你是摘桃高手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22c25b5359e7665d21c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q36bce2f601c3c40a2bd6","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":556,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T08:55:24.262Z","text":"你比第二巡回法院的三个法官还牛逼？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36bce2f601c3c40a2bd6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q3fb44e37371dcb68953f","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":557,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:55:47.933Z","text":"我[屏蔽词]逼 的能力比法官利害，你信不","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9824a193a8ed223b0251","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fb44e37371dcb68953f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9824a193a8ed223b0251","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qb2bf61fb8fa1b31c2ed4","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":558,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T08:55:56.402Z","text":"不要破防","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3fb44e37371dcb68953f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2bf61fb8fa1b31c2ed4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fb44e37371dcb68953f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qae5540af9663bf26b810","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":559,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:56:07.786Z","text":"法官比我强，是因为他的专业","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae5540af9663bf26b810","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qf345c1964c60f9292d1d","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":560,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:56:21.690Z","text":"但是[屏蔽词]逼，我也是专业","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf345c1964c60f9292d1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qa99db391c276fa6930cc","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":561,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T08:56:30.610Z","text":"不要破防 好大力同志","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf345c1964c60f9292d1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa99db391c276fa6930cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf345c1964c60f9292d1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q6e5d313c91fb50ae29f1","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":562,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:57:52.966Z","text":"这个比喻，你这个智商可能不了解。法官在法律专业肯定比我强，做鸭我是强性，法官没办法和我比","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e5d313c91fb50ae29f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qeab5e0f616b1a5158189","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":563,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T08:58:48.145Z","text":"这就叫术业有专攻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab5e0f616b1a5158189","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q978b8b7ab787d7145f6d","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":564,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T09:00:06.360Z","text":"不要破防","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6e5d313c91fb50ae29f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q978b8b7ab787d7145f6d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e5d313c91fb50ae29f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q463ef4a1f2d119170a1d","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":565,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T09:01:17.742Z","text":"你们的逻辑很有问题的，又伤不了我分毫，我破什么防。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q463ef4a1f2d119170a1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qebf9b4a1102418862b85","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":566,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T09:01:23.713Z","text":"现在是我在破，你们需要防","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebf9b4a1102418862b85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q95de6ac2deec63703077","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":567,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T09:01:35.038Z","text":"先搞清楚这个逻辑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95de6ac2deec63703077","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q52961f69e309ae522362","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":568,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T09:02:23.137Z","text":"法官认为没问题就行 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你看出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9eb33e627cedba8e8bdb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6306bae642fa275d077","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9eb33e627cedba8e8bdb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qcf758a256eb9fc244bb6","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":571,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T09:04:36.744Z","text":"你们就需要换一种方式，再收割一茬","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf758a256eb9fc244bb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q0f0a16b99009b701e1ca","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":572,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T09:04:59.633Z","text":"二巡法官批准我收割 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写的文件 怎么会给一群救郭的带来希望？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48e25857bb15966a7b11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q50436511dad31a46bfd6","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":584,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T09:08:49.534Z","text":"是啊，所以我才说，这才是你们的高明之处","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50436511dad31a46bfd6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qfebe3dfde714d99d3117","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":585,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-03T09:11:57.956Z","text":"操局者，很明白这个是升级版的债权人登记。因为这个是合法合规的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfebe3dfde714d99d3117","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"q1f0f5537cca1b17f4ff7","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":586,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-03T09:15:28.042Z","text":"你有什么事 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瑞恩 有5000万 我们都把酒言欢了 谁愿意参和这破事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8905b2bac5e4bdd6786d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000060"},{"id":"qdc0e89adca7837dec0c6","batch_id":"batch-000060","seq":596,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-03T10:06:35.379Z","text":"郭搞了我们的钱 还要靠我们救 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