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托雷斯那个文件？［用户 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［用户 chu***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe4dd757d44f604852373","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9714e4d6f6d15fab5c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4dd757d44f604852373","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qd409b2bccf787484782f","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":220,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-06T21:38:08.211Z","text":"托雷斯在一个文件里说了只有853和cvra可以介入，喜和发现这个文件了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd409b2bccf787484782f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q9f715cf5f3a12340ab86","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":221,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-06T21:38:30.572Z","text":"我都是被逼的。自诉，我根本就不知道。网上查，也是问，没有律师，怎么发动议。连自诉这个词都不知道。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f715cf5f3a12340ab86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qd4436c459d868fae9ee1","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":222,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-06T21:39:20.376Z","text":"853和受害者介入，这是528文件，是法官修理我的命令。第二个修理我的命令是596","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd409b2bccf787484782f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4436c459d868fae9ee1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd409b2bccf787484782f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q2f237df8eda9f58bb097","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":223,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-06T21:40:06.335Z","text":"那你是怎么上的第一份动议的呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f237df8eda9f58bb097","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q18c3aa11a09c89878e5c","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":224,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-06T21:41:25.469Z","text":"找律师的问题是，他们不可能只给你发一个动议，他们要接的话这就是整个案子一起接，就是后续都要交钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18c3aa11a09c89878e5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q0a53f1b44399ff60c687","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":225,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-06T21:41:44.693Z","text":"不然他们只给你看一个动议，然后就不管了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a53f1b44399ff60c687","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qf576b66bc9cf5d419764","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":226,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-06T21:41:51.585Z","text":"你还是要自己发","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf576b66bc9cf5d419764","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q81bea471f1cf33ac3f35","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":227,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-06T21:42:00.499Z","text":"打官司就是烧钱，幸好还有自诉，发明这个的人积德了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18c3aa11a09c89878e5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81bea471f1cf33ac3f35","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18c3aa11a09c89878e5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q58bd08ccfcb37a007357","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":228,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-06T21:43:38.568Z","text":"还有律师，我打电话，他直接说，我和南区是有利益冲突的，我不能接这个案子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58bd08ccfcb37a007357","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q2c47c175b42c235524fe","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":229,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-06T21:43:44.345Z","text":"505之前，我写了三个相似的，反对钙尔奇。法庭不给我上传。我himam打电话问法庭。一个不上传，过几天，再写一个。写了三个，没有上传。himam打电话好几次，接线员说法官不让上传，没有原因。打电话好几次了，我也写了三个了。书记员说请示领导。然后让我写一个介入动议。这应该是看我总是追着问，不会轻易放弃。给我一个台阶，让写个介入动议，上传的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f237df8eda9f58bb097","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c47c175b42c235524fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f237df8eda9f58bb097","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q51fec086e98d6d4024b7","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":230,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-06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him***］ 你来解读一下二巡立案jason 是不是对托雷斯不耐烦了😄","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q119bf9b5fdefb7b7468d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qd5cf498b39b0980d9cde","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":302,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:11:52.780Z","text":"二巡有我的判决 为什么还不够","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5cf498b39b0980d9cde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qcd20389a1fc6102e6964","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":303,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:12:09.438Z","text":"不是说 一定时间托雷斯不动 我再去吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd20389a1fc6102e6964","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q8f224f5fe5e47abc5f08","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":304,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:12:57.803Z","text":"二巡申请人都是独立的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f224f5fe5e47abc5f08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q90fc3519e1d54077ee29","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":305,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:13:28.078Z","text":"理论上看，一个申请人和另一个申请人没什么关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90fc3519e1d54077ee29","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q46933a5a69d2674607e6","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":306,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:13:46.098Z","text":"那倒是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46933a5a69d2674607e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q752315edf28d25a0f29b","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":307,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:13:57.080Z","text":"给A立案不等于不给B立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q752315edf28d25a0f29b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q05d4aeb8a7e53391f332","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":308,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:14:33.876Z","text":"而且就算最后同意了A的强制令，是不是也只是上传A的南区动议啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05d4aeb8a7e53391f332","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q41d53d93d892f9f2d869","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":309,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:14:48.028Z","text":"还是所有自诉的动议都上传啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41d53d93d892f9f2d869","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q5a33d0eb0a49bd9561e6","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":310,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:32:03.458Z","text":"那我觉得不会","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05d4aeb8a7e53391f332","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a33d0eb0a49bd9561e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05d4aeb8a7e53391f332","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qb81242820d00a274e023","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":311,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:32:11.217Z","text":"托雷斯给的命令是全体的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb81242820d00a274e023","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q1d7a1271fd533e2abfea","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":312,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:32:54.120Z","text":"托雷斯没有书面命令说，所有自诉都不上传了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb81242820d00a274e023","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d7a1271fd533e2abfea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb81242820d00a274e023","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qa1194f95fc5c52f6ba16","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":313,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:34:56.509Z","text":"二巡如果以后真的同意强制令，估计会一条条批，我看Jason 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很微妙","edited":false,"reply_to":"q70a7ccd76dbdc26d82ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fd7959a5e40e59a97c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70a7ccd76dbdc26d82ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qfea13c9fe142c093d0d9","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":320,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:40:50.989Z","text":"我猜是二巡法官不耐烦了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfea13c9fe142c093d0d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q7a6727610d7532293dc3","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":321,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:45:27.206Z","text":"Who knows","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2fd7959a5e40e59a97c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a6727610d7532293dc3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fd7959a5e40e59a97c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q403233904978cc5f13f9","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":322,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:52:10.605Z","text":"我的判决其实已经管到托雷斯不动的情况了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a6727610d7532293dc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q403233904978cc5f13f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a6727610d7532293dc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q6fa7fad5559c2da0b9f5","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":323,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:52:20.632Z","text":"我觉得托雷斯甚至可能是负隅顽抗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fa7fad5559c2da0b9f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q2db15d81778815ef8734","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":324,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:52:27.862Z","text":"二巡实在看不下去了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db15d81778815ef8734","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q6c9fe6723bf4c39ec3b1","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":325,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:53:48.178Z","text":"二巡的判决是哪天的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2db15d81778815ef8734","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c9fe6723bf4c39ec3b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2db15d81778815ef8734","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q6cc49da9d5b736fe31bf","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":326,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:54:26.607Z","text":"1126","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cc49da9d5b736fe31bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q50ac10516e0536a630e0","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":327,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:55:25.173Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 我突然想到一个事","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ac10516e0536a630e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q15f8321a3a49dad6efe3","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":328,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:55:33.297Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 量刑 根据的是没收情况对吧","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15f8321a3a49dad6efe3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q9220408b33f60f3e7b46","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":329,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:55:38.191Z","text":"没收 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还问什么问","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4c5bc695c75ca539c2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q6381bc6dac8731394735","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":332,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:56:09.600Z","text":"这是不是被二巡当作危险信号了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6381bc6dac8731394735","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q96cd6f90059381424a38","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":333,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:56:19.080Z","text":"那也没几天啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6cc49da9d5b736fe31bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96cd6f90059381424a38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cc49da9d5b736fe31bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q3c424c064218b2133394","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":334,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:56:41.842Z","text":"二巡怎么也得等两周吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c424c064218b2133394","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qa02d530ce40f15d447ed","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":335,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:57:03.211Z","text":"二巡下令上传是一回事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa02d530ce40f15d447ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q2f61adc83a78a94347a9","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":336,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:57:10.670Z","text":"量刑应该拖延是另一回事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f61adc83a78a94347a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qd31a49625ad8b93bc49e","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":337,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:57:16.291Z","text":"量刑报告是根据没收的情况的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15f8321a3a49dad6efe3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd31a49625ad8b93bc49e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15f8321a3a49dad6efe3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q646c12ff15643a27c8f6","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":338,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:57:24.378Z","text":"是不是托雷斯想强判","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q646c12ff15643a27c8f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q7b1dac174d2bc0a39571","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":339,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:57:26.616Z","text":"没收是其中一条","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b1dac174d2bc0a39571","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qf9bffed4f8865d824436","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":340,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T01:57:29.569Z","text":"被二巡喝止","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9bffed4f8865d824436","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q91c05fb93b9904853bab","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":341,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:58:28.189Z","text":"不是吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91c05fb93b9904853bab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qaaeb0c5538e59ad830b9","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":342,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:58:52.179Z","text":"二巡不是说rule60要等量刑以后再提吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaeb0c5538e59ad830b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qb47a9b65b6ebd2db741b","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":343,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T01:59:55.504Z","text":"二巡的意思就是说现在还不能证明，南区永远不会上传第三方自诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url"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哪有什么陷阱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1abe4e6bf336f86b266","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d661c3cd891683544a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1abe4e6bf336f86b266","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q94b055314de0c14a19a5","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":376,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-07T06:39:00.795Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你不要在这里扯犊子。去骂人房间。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94b055314de0c14a19a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q1242a88af1fe6347891b","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":377,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2025-12-07T13:35:54.291Z","text":"他就是要在这儿恐吓新来的，他知道引导不了坚定的，但是新来的想了解案情的进来一看这都什么乱七八糟，就又走了，去那群他还怎么做任务，他的目的又不是吵架","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa44c66e58c46b236bea5","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1242a88af1fe6347891b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qf0c41eb4c067332a4d9d","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":378,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-07T13:40:49.044Z","text":"此服务器，不拉黑禁言任何人，恶意刷屏除外。开了单独的房间，他们要是再继续刷屏自诉陷阱，刷屏三天饿九顿。我就认定他们是恶意刷屏！言论自由，让所有人畅所欲言。但是，不能刷屏恶心别人。想刷屏的，咱给贵宾待遇。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0c41eb4c067332a4d9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q581f36c85da7255ae11c","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":379,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-07T13:43:45.340Z","text":"三天饿九顿都是恶意了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0c41eb4c067332a4d9d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q581f36c85da7255ae11c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0c41eb4c067332a4d9d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q703785b0e465e4299865","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":380,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-07T16:03:12.803Z","text":"小藤子，小娃子，去王艳萍量刑听证会做受害者陈述，百分之百要提前检方点头同意。堂堂正正的联盟农场共谋犯头目可以去做合法的经过检方同意的受害者，有些夸张。所以，自诉人，绝对不可能被打成与郭文贵是同伙的共谋犯。如果这些最底层的检方法庭逻辑的受害者能够被打成共谋犯。那么，所有受害者都是共谋犯。如果自诉人可以被打成共谋犯，检方指控和案件逻辑，根本站不住脚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703785b0e465e4299865","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q7424ba198ac54bcde31f","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":381,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-07T16:05:27.739Z","text":"共谋犯用自己的钱成为受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7424ba198ac54bcde31f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qcb430f678ca7f930f11a","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":382,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T16:15:25.709Z","text":"Rico出来之后，联盟农场好像请了郭的老律师团队，回答问题。有一个问题是，投资人还有买gclub, gfashion会不会被rico？老律师团队说，投资gclub和买gfashion的人（可能还有投资喜币的人）是客户，不会被Rico，不用担心。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q703785b0e465e4299865","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb430f678ca7f930f11a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703785b0e465e4299865","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q4a9b4a513f9d63feb611","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":383,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T16:18:38.389Z","text":"后来是小羊说的，不是受害人就是同案犯。检方511也说过，不承认自己是受害者不是傻就是坏。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a9b4a513f9d63feb611","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q39d8985f83e1c66b14ac","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":384,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T16:33:23.015Z","text":"法庭（CVRA) 对受害者的定义是，由于被告的犯罪行为受到直接的经济损失或者精神损失的人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39d8985f83e1c66b14ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qbf6118ce5d050430ecea","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":385,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T16:41:53.707Z","text":"我感觉这个案子现在程序崩塌的很厉害，至少应该重审","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf6118ce5d050430ecea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q3f92ed6653d4ba342952","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":386,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-07T16:42:39.853Z","text":"这个程序崩塌的原因，很大一部分是因为检方的失职和法庭自己的原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f92ed6653d4ba342952","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q76a9612af943e58d3faf","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":387,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T16:50:41.337Z","text":"没一个地方不坍塌的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbf6118ce5d050430ecea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76a9612af943e58d3faf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf6118ce5d050430ecea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q9985eb4c78acf35bd596","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":388,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-07T17:53:01.164Z","text":"都塌了，就托雷斯还在死扛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9985eb4c78acf35bd596","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q2e8904c9b167c6b277af","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":389,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-07T18:23:48.914Z","text":"这种话题，只有此群才会讨论。我本人就是在这里泡了大半年，耳朵听出茧，才从吃瓜群众意识到自己就是文贵案件受害者，从而开始写自诉。第一个自诉相当难写，花了我足足三周的时间，共 7 页纸的正文，但是附件有 5 份，其中最长的一份24页纸；第二个自诉就快很多了，不到 3-4 个小时就完成了；第三个自诉也很快，一两天的时间；第四个自诉花的时间长一点，好几天的时间，是一个更全面的概述及更深层次的总结，其中包括让托雷斯回避。后面三个自诉都没附件。\n这四个自诉全都未被上传，所以我去了二巡，花了十来天的时间写了强制令申请，正文共 9 页，是邮寄过去的。二巡连立案的机会都没有给我。二巡把我寄给他们的邮件全部退还给了我，还写了一个退件函说让我再给南区法院一些时间和机会。有人建议我再回应二巡，但是我不想在这里绕圈子，花了两周的时间写出了1.5 倍行间距 (之前都是单倍行距) 17 页纸的高法强制令申请。直捣黄龙。\n我就是这样从一个吃瓜群众变成受害者以自诉身份介入案件的。\n这是不是那个SB文悦定义的“自诉陷井”？😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e8904c9b167c6b277af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qd381929ba284d31ca210","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":390,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-07T19:05:21.619Z","text":"冰雪融化靠的就是我们这些普通人向法庭写自诉，这也是联盟极力打压的地方，所有砸郭、假挺郭都不敢碰的痛点。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd381929ba284d31ca210","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qc728b6773559a156aa8d","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":391,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-07T19:18:05.702Z","text":"可以转发吗 ？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e8904c9b167c6b277af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc728b6773559a156aa8d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e8904c9b167c6b277af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qd649b90aa9d537bda224","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":392,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-07T19:19:17.176Z","text":"欢迎推广。截图啥都行。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc728b6773559a156aa8d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd649b90aa9d537bda224","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc728b6773559a156aa8d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q3dbc21ebf715f6719f86","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":393,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-07T19:20:27.749Z","text":"我们翻案组的sara已经打向了美国最高法。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dbc21ebf715f6719f86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qfc8b1d433c5679e3c8b0","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":394,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-07T19:20:42.955Z","text":"我还要把它变成英语放到X去呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc8b1d433c5679e3c8b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q833f01a64475136d79b9","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":395,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-07T19:21:00.492Z","text":"现在还在进行之中。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3dbc21ebf715f6719f86","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q833f01a64475136d79b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dbc21ebf715f6719f86","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q129727908ef3d49b3052","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":396,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T20:11:47.476Z","text":"［用户 beg***］  你遇到的问题相当严重 最高法一定会立案 抓住这个机会！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q129727908ef3d49b3052","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q1e2d287380ba50a3f204","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":397,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T20:12:38.021Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 第二 第三点 你的问题非常严重！！！","edited":true,"reply_to":"q129727908ef3d49b3052","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e2d287380ba50a3f204","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q129727908ef3d49b3052","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"qdfa0aa805e1dd054c9a0","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":398,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T20:13:10.478Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 你的打法是死都不当受害者 结果二巡看都没看默认你是受害者","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfa0aa805e1dd054c9a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q865efb79969e9330d20d","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":399,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T21:03:54.639Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 你死都不当受害者是写在哪里 有写在强制令里面吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q865efb79969e9330d20d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"},{"id":"q8b43289532efecc09c13","batch_id":"batch-000062","seq":400,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-07T21:03:58.853Z","text":"还是写在南区动议里面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b43289532efecc09c13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000062"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000061","next_batch_id":"batch-000063"}