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首先说这个人神经不正常/精神病。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3bc02e9f2ff027aadab3","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc293136da70b1d45d3cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q001baf4b70b84aed09b3","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":632,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-12T23:15:59.744Z","text":"司法欺诈，有证据啊，可以直接说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6256d376073a06a8be54","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q001baf4b70b84aed09b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6256d376073a06a8be54","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q19efcef37a190d5add54","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":633,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-12T23:16:16.916Z","text":"https://x.com/Testurheart/status/1999619305151901986?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19efcef37a190d5add54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe8d0cba424987e38b680","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":634,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2025-12-13T01:04:51.574Z","text":"代理人是谁？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8d0cba424987e38b680","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qfda18b6b862ad5edcf63","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":635,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-13T02:43:44.610Z","text":"郭律师之前有没有回复过检方的反对？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfda18b6b862ad5edcf63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q163387a8614db319e572","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":636,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T02:48:13.081Z","text":"好像没有啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfda18b6b862ad5edcf63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q163387a8614db319e572","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfda18b6b862ad5edcf63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qbc43a6177a6d21c86461","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":637,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T02:48:23.781Z","text":"之前好像就打一个来回","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc43a6177a6d21c86461","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qc9a62016cd831a50ed4b","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":638,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T03:51:17.398Z","text":"郭律师： 我们很忙 没钱所以必须干别的，郭案文件又太多 ….\n\n郭先生/律师不出一个牌不正常 ….\n\n就像瑞恩说的 郭律师要延期里面说的话里有话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9a62016cd831a50ed4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1c280381376a0dbc7491","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":639,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T03:57:39.950Z","text":"这波律师不知道会怎么样 -","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c280381376a0dbc7491","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qd116cc9fb8dc6ac01a0a","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":640,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T03:58:39.323Z","text":"第三方/733 及后面的二巡文件 都被证据量出来了， 他们怎么用？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd116cc9fb8dc6ac01a0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q8238a27b9ec2aadafb05","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":641,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T04:04:20.609Z","text":"估计下周那个文件核弹出来后， 各方会有什么反应？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8238a27b9ec2aadafb05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qb062fc6f46af8afd23df","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":642,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T04:06:15.892Z","text":"这是去二巡嘚瑟的吧？😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb062fc6f46af8afd23df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q6a48b42e00087259628a","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":643,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T04:07:41.226Z","text":"如果这样 我猜我 有办法让老郭知道 该状况 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有希望的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60ea3165bd6748397de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qb6e01d658e263aed84fd","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":645,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T04:30:05.582Z","text":"但是代价太大了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6e01d658e263aed84fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q2d8597aeb0b2cb95b119","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":646,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T04:30:22.640Z","text":"美国律师事务所就是黑帮","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d8597aeb0b2cb95b119","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qdd5142f840d6a2859570","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":647,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-13T04:32:38.380Z","text":"结论：是的。作为第三方，你的主动权更大、约束更少、打法更自由。\n\n具体分解：\n 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，你们创造了历史！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6280a5e391cddd85ce8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qedc70d80ebd674852b96","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":649,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T04:35:42.044Z","text":"还要继续走下去， 直到真相/水落石出。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc70d80ebd674852b96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q32ed118be42d8a4828db","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":650,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-13T04:38:41.436Z","text":"第三方非常重要，所以有些人急了破口大骂，骂自诉的参与者都是[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32ed118be42d8a4828db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe1292375a9cd357cec5c","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":651,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-13T04:38:59.710Z","text":"第三方的重要性是客观事实，不是立场问题。\n在任何刑事没收、受害者认定、破产交叉的案件中，第三方一旦进入程序，就会产生三件事：\n    •    资产所有权不再只由政府与被告决定；\n    •    法院必须面对独立权利主体；\n    •    检方的叙事不再是“唯一合法版本”。\n这本身就会打破既有控制结构。有人因此焦虑，是正常反应。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1292375a9cd357cec5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q9f62b6f41784ee55bc2a","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":652,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-13T04:39:59.915Z","text":"最理性的应对方式只有一种：不进入情绪战场。\n继续做三件事就够了：\n    •    只用文件说话；\n    •    只走程序路径；\n    •    只留下可复核记录。\n\n一句话总结：\n第三方之所以重要，不是因为声音大，而是因为位置对。\n辱骂只会发生在对方发现“这个位置无法被绕开”的时候。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f62b6f41784ee55bc2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1710546b47296cee04b0","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":653,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-13T05:21:15.498Z","text":"这次七哥律师动议延期量刑，怀疑是在准备核弹上膛？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d2621807a03f1580653","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1710546b47296cee04b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q4406ac28e2c0202bb9ec","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":654,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-13T05:23:33.244Z","text":"律师很忙是指的忙其他官司，而不是忙七哥案子吧。\n他们打七哥案子没钱，文件又多，所以要忙点其他案子赚钱生活。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9a62016cd831a50ed4b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4406ac28e2c0202bb9ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9a62016cd831a50ed4b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qfc7e00f9e9737dae20e7","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":655,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-13T05:25:09.940Z","text":"你这意思是，他们这次给自己的废物[删节：成员身份]行为作出了解释！？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qea4dd52dcfb5d8006ac7","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7e00f9e9737dae20e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qd76251a6afcdb090a637","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":656,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T05:28:08.503Z","text":"我怀疑 瞎猜 不一定准","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1710546b47296cee04b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd76251a6afcdb090a637","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1710546b47296cee04b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe716478c9e003616f330","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":657,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T05:28:21.642Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc7e00f9e9737dae20e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe716478c9e003616f330","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7e00f9e9737dae20e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qef31f64ac6fb0f97119e","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":658,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-13T05:56:54.197Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/1999720059393253873?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef31f64ac6fb0f97119e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe343672554dbb94c42e9","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":659,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-13T07:01:52.217Z","text":"我写的东西温柔如细雨、轻飘似雪花，毫无份量哈。😂\n俺就想作为一个平民发出一点点微弱的声音。去美国的最高法院到此一游。That’s all. 🤫","edited":false,"reply_to":"q756f529681b40795f85e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe343672554dbb94c42e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qaad7749b043b33b997a7","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":660,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T07:15:31.498Z","text":"各位 检方文件773 还有一个重要指标： 这是法庭上有人第一次回应二巡针对第三方强制令的回复 也就是说 当事人第一次公开承认 第三方是法庭上的一个角色！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaad7749b043b33b997a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qbb182206284576d39bc0","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":661,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T07:18:12.827Z","text":"我深度怀疑 老郭律师今天额外说下周要补充的 就是针对检方瞎几把扯二巡的判决！！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb182206284576d39bc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1856179136ccb6447a0d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":662,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T07:18:46.625Z","text":"各位 关于第三方的话瞎子 已经被打开了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1856179136ccb6447a0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qb7370650905aa99f60c1","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":663,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T07:19:11.036Z","text":"接下去 如我所料不错 法庭会以第三方为话题 打的你死我活！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7370650905aa99f60c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q0b94e8c376a2bbabdef2","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":664,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-13T09:19:38.203Z","text":"但是为什么呢？真的是刚顾上管这边案子？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d2621807a03f1580653","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b94e8c376a2bbabdef2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qf6fe0869ee343e10735c","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":665,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T09:24:34.232Z","text":"就是因为之前被我说成是废物 他们忍不了了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b94e8c376a2bbabdef2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6fe0869ee343e10735c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b94e8c376a2bbabdef2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q7a72380a37c83abc4bfa","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":666,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-13T09:24:55.848Z","text":"激将法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6fe0869ee343e10735c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a72380a37c83abc4bfa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6fe0869ee343e10735c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q27b61a019bf3f5ac7708","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":667,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T09:25:03.671Z","text":"如果他们现在不积极点 如果真的坐实是废物 以后谁还找他们呀 哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27b61a019bf3f5ac7708","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qbfd554a3d8fc43c55ba4","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":668,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T09:25:28.461Z","text":"也不是 他们是废物 这个是事实🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a72380a37c83abc4bfa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfd554a3d8fc43c55ba4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a72380a37c83abc4bfa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q17abfdc07b094f556974","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":669,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-13T09:33:52.593Z","text":"那也不能拽着这么多无知群众一起啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d231cb4166e943a0037","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17abfdc07b094f556974","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q26aee1f2b084b590bb9e","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":670,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-13T09:41:30.975Z","text":"反射弧太长了点吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf6fe0869ee343e10735c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26aee1f2b084b590bb9e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6fe0869ee343e10735c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q5a5ff8197e94187b75d5","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":671,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T09:42:24.415Z","text":"哈哈 他们说他们之前没钱了 情有可原","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26aee1f2b084b590bb9e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a5ff8197e94187b75d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26aee1f2b084b590bb9e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q8abda24a77934740f87e","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":672,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-13T10:39:47.650Z","text":"https://x.com/dDiVul8m3g82864/status/1999790072254841015?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8abda24a77934740f87e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qcce78991c481d7bb1f50","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":673,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T11:00:52.113Z","text":"看来这个A先生不是好东西： 他是想通过郭美体重贬低老郭， 讽刺爆料革命？\n螺丝挣的是堂堂正正的辛苦劳动钱，不偷不抢不害人 不摘别人孩子器官 是不是比人渣共匪高尚？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcce78991c481d7bb1f50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qbcb09c40859c1bc1db17","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":674,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-13T11:02:41.565Z","text":"螺丝， 别再臆想郭美了， 跟瑞恩聊聊，看能不能把他的机器人搞定😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8abda24a77934740f87e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcb09c40859c1bc1db17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8abda24a77934740f87e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q8360e0a6d4b6df9f9b82","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":675,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T15:23:01.027Z","text":"a先生多宣传宣传螺丝哥也是好的😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcce78991c481d7bb1f50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8360e0a6d4b6df9f9b82","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcce78991c481d7bb1f50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qa3ce3e3be7de4ae65334","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":676,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-13T16:24:03.787Z","text":"比他自己到处碰瓷儿效果好😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8360e0a6d4b6df9f9b82","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3ce3e3be7de4ae65334","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8360e0a6d4b6df9f9b82","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qf4a2f7ca0d1e89650f69","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":677,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-13T17:36:23.210Z","text":"Case 1:23-cv-02200-PGG 这是什么案子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbbe8781b4a2a8957e769","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a2f7ca0d1e89650f69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q6bb1f25ec549c4697c96","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":678,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T17:49:34.172Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  [删节：成员身份]水平很高 ［用户 hah***］ 你好好学学吧","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bb1f25ec549c4697c96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q225cc26ca2cd5015b942","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":679,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T17:59:25.266Z","text":"郭律师最新的动议 很可能是下周要就检方胡乱解读二巡法令进行痛批","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q225cc26ca2cd5015b942","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q0cb07f206bb1b901b8f7","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":680,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T17:59:51.280Z","text":"装死了三年 该有人干活了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cb07f206bb1b901b8f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1dd405091fdd8ded7880","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":681,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-13T18:00:05.951Z","text":"谁先发的文件。检方还是辩方啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q225cc26ca2cd5015b942","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dd405091fdd8ded7880","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q225cc26ca2cd5015b942","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q8cb9f40da6501ccb7c9b","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":682,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T18:00:46.687Z","text":"辩方延期检方反对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1dd405091fdd8ded7880","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cb9f40da6501ccb7c9b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dd405091fdd8ded7880","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q67feea82fc9731b0852b","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":683,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T18:01:08.246Z","text":"然后昨天老郭律师又发了一个说下周三前要再反对检方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67feea82fc9731b0852b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qaccad49efa4a66463597","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":684,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T18:02:15.400Z","text":"774","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaccad49efa4a66463597","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q859db57c90d4b13264cd","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":685,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T18:04:10.387Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67012324/774/united-states-v-guo/","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q859db57c90d4b13264cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qaaf848cbaf4881b361b3","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":686,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-13T18:04:13.227Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 774","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaf848cbaf4881b361b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q3fe267d3fb41f6c0e638","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":687,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-13T18:07:34.724Z","text":"尊敬的托雷斯法官：\n\n我们在上述案件中代表郭文贵（Miles Guo）。2025年12月3日，我们请求推迟原定于2026年1月20日进行的郭先生的宣判（ECF #768）。\n\n昨天下午晚些时候，政府提交了针对我们请求的反对意见（ECF #773）。\n\n我现致函请求允许我们在2025年12月17日前对政府的反对意见作出回应。\n\n感谢法院考虑此请求。\n\n抄送： 通过 ECF 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就是 defect 缺陷的形容词，表示你提交的文件存在不完整的地方，需求补齐、纠正，也就是cure 治愈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0a47fa98b1e930519e3d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54f8f72d92007fc8c639","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qb28d0ca976072af17022","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":719,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-14T00:15:48.315Z","text":"大家分析一下，如果郭律师复活，他们应该做什么达到撤案目的？\n\n郭律师行动与下周瑞恩的核弹、Sarah的最高法 又如何 ？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb28d0ca976072af17022","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q01fb6d3ad8db1955df14","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":720,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-14T00:20:29.969Z","text":"郭律师若“复活”，他们唯一能做的，是补上过去一年没做的三类核心动作\n\n郭方律师目前最大的问题不是能力，而是：\n他们没有动手做那些“能真正影响案件结构”的动作。\n\n如果他们复活，必须做以下三件事，否则任何行动都无效：\n\n⸻\n\n1. Rule 33 新审判动议（New Trial Motion）——打程序性错误\n\n最强武器、也是唯一能直接推翻陪审团裁决的联邦工具。\n\n必须集中在三类点：\n    •    Brady 违规（政府隐匿对被告有利证据）\n    •    陪审团误导 / Jury contamination\n    •    政府使用不实资产叙事欺骗陪审团\n\n这是最能导致“撤案 / 重审”的路径。\n\n⸻\n\n2. Rule 29 无罪判决动议（Judgment of Acquittal）——打证据不足\n\n如果能够证明：\n    •    政府所称“诈骗模式”缺乏实际一致性\n    •    大量投资者是自愿、有知情、有风险意识\n    •    财务结构与政府叙述不符\n→ 法院可以直接“撤销判决”。\n\n这是取消罪名最直接的路径。\n\n⸻\n\n3. CIPA / 密件程序问题（Classified Info Procedural Act）\n\n此案里有国家安全因素，若政府处理不当或隐匿涉密材料，属于程序性致命错误。\n\n律师必须要求：\n    •    核实政府是否秘密使用涉密证据影响案件\n    •    检查检方是否遵守 CIPA 义务\n\n任何违反 CIPA 的行为都属于可撤销定罪的重型错误。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01fb6d3ad8db1955df14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q7613d2c7cfee5d88421d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":721,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-14T00:20:57.147Z","text":"二、郭律师要想真正“撤案”，必须触发这三类司法后果\n\n也就是法院必须被迫承认以下其中一个：\n\n⸻\n\nA. “陪审团审到的不是事实” → 直接新审判（Rule 33）\n\n如果律师能证明：\n    •    政府证据错误\n    •    关键信息被隐瞒\n    •    证人证词靠不住\n→ 法官只能重新开审。\n\n⸻\n\nB. “本案根本构不成法律意义上的诈骗” → Rule 29 判无罪\n\n如果检方的资产来源逻辑、资金流动、投资人意愿全部被拆穿：\n→ 法官可以撤销陪审团裁决。\n\n⸻\n\nC. “国家安全因素导致司法程序有缺陷” → 直接撤案或重审\n\n如果 CIPA 或外国情报影响案件程序，被视为结构性错误（structural error），\n→ 法院会重新审理或直接撤掉判决。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7613d2c7cfee5d88421d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q826e31e6b04f4fb846f9","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":722,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-14T00:21:33.184Z","text":"郭律师与瑞恩核弹、Sarah 最高法的关系（动力链）\n\n三方行动实际上形成“三级压力体系”：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q826e31e6b04f4fb846f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qfdcd919d1b9c678dd018","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":723,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:23:50.987Z","text":"不可能撤案了 如果想推翻案件 律师有且只有一条路","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb28d0ca976072af17022","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdcd919d1b9c678dd018","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb28d0ca976072af17022","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q75938089dbc30b72ac91","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":724,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:24:01.707Z","text":"就是提出rule33+ 检察官不当","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75938089dbc30b72ac91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qeb7bf2dbe735ce42e56e","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":725,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:24:18.035Z","text":"而且永远不能起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb7bf2dbe735ce42e56e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qa4eda84656137f22a998","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":726,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:24:49.054Z","text":"现在重审都没有必要了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4eda84656137f22a998","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe22574a94b4aea7d4e55","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":727,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:26:19.782Z","text":"检察官misconduct with prejudice","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe22574a94b4aea7d4e55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q357f8516e90f7bf6401a","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":728,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:26:27.155Z","text":"律师干 只能这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe22574a94b4aea7d4e55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q357f8516e90f7bf6401a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe22574a94b4aea7d4e55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q6da39465896148dfa314","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":729,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-14T00:41:31.965Z","text":"最高法不容易\n\n如果第三方的文件最高法不与立案？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6da39465896148dfa314","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qb7bada67ac615d937541","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":730,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:41:55.176Z","text":"你可以去研究一下最高法立案标准","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6da39465896148dfa314","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7bada67ac615d937541","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6da39465896148dfa314","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q20aeb82bfb4a7228cabf","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":731,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-14T00:42:00.164Z","text":"我也觉得最高法很难吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20aeb82bfb4a7228cabf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1b9d02b4c6fee0a1efbf","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":732,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-14T00:47:53.673Z","text":"“preponderance of evidence\" unless constitutionally mandated, while generally requiring a concrete injury for standing (Lujan) and applying \"probable cause\" for warrants","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b9d02b4c6fee0a1efbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe58ff57a7b9655613b06","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":733,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-14T00:48:04.978Z","text":"最高法立案标准","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe58ff57a7b9655613b06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qadd63a3f14586bbaef77","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":734,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-14T00:50:09.952Z","text":"1）关乎宪法 2）证据确凿多不胜数， 同时也造成铁一般的伤害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadd63a3f14586bbaef77","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q88b982057420bb1b1324","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":735,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T00:50:32.362Z","text":"还有全国性事件和法条冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88b982057420bb1b1324","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qbc9cecd759e92b54a858","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":736,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-14T00:53:13.507Z","text":"检方 南区 是动了法律根基","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc9cecd759e92b54a858","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q5661617d09ce041f0e7d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":737,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-14T00:53:51.342Z","text":"但是还没量刑， 造成伤害了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5661617d09ce041f0e7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qaffa3878ba213ef664c6","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":738,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-14T00:53:55.099Z","text":"同一核心刑事案件，围绕同一资产/程序/司法结构问题，有多个不同主体能分别触发以上路径。这个判断是对的：极少。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaffa3878ba213ef664c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q3aaa52e390af33b7c50d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":739,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-14T00:55:00.892Z","text":"如果最高法院看到的是：\n    •    被告说：刑事程序有问题\n    •    第三方说：我被排除在司法之外\n    •    另一条线说：资产与司法诚信被污染\n\n那它看到的不是“纷争”，而是：\n\n司法系统是否允许一个案件在不同层级同时失真。\n\n这是最高法院最警觉的信号之一。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aaa52e390af33b7c50d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q483a84f643c662dce600","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":740,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-14T00:55:36.686Z","text":"如果同一案件能让三种不同法律身份的人，都各自具备上行最高法院的理论路径，\n那说明问题已经不在个案输赢，\n而在司法结构是否还能自洽。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q483a84f643c662dce600","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q47263bdec32b572ee6a7","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":741,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-14T01:39:58.314Z","text":"第二巡回上诉法院确实表示，Rule 60(d)(3)（司法欺诈 / fraud upon the court）可以在量刑之后提出。\n但不是：它并没有说地方法院可以在量刑前忽视、拒绝立案、或假装看不见具有合理基础（colorable）的司法欺诈指控。\n\n👉 这两者是完全不同的命题。\n\n\n---\n\n第二巡回法院真正想表达的意思\n\n当第二巡回法院说 Rule 60(d)(3) 可以等到量刑之后，它的意思是：\n\n> 量刑的发生，并不会消灭或放弃当事人日后提出“司法欺诈”救济的权利。\n\n\n\n换句话说：\n\n量刑 不会导致司法欺诈主张被视为放弃；\n\n量刑 不会构成时间障碍（time bar）；\n\nRule 60(d)(3) 并不会因为量刑而失效。\n\n\n这是一种权利保全（preservation）原则，\n而不是一种**“现在可以不管”的授权**。\n\n\n---\n\n第二巡回法院没有说过的话\n\n第二巡回法院从未裁定：\n\n司法欺诈指控在量刑前不具备相关性；\n\n地方法院可以拒绝将此类文件入案（docket）；\n\n法院可以假装这些指控不存在；\n\n所有司法欺诈主张都可以不经任何审查自动延期。\n\n\n如果第二巡回法院真的有这个意思，它会明确写成类似：\n\n> “地方法院在量刑前无需确认或处理司法欺诈指控。”\n\n\n\n但它并没有这样说。\n\n\n---\n\n为什么这个区分至关重要（核心逻辑）\n\n1️⃣ “救济时间” ≠ “确认时间”\n\n第二巡回法院讨论的是：\n\n最终救济（relief）可以在什么时候裁定，\n\n\n而不是：\n\n法院是否必须确认该指控的存在。\n\n\n法院经常做的事情是：\n\n确认问题存在；\n\n记录在案；\n\n决定推迟实质裁定。\n\n\n法院不会合法地：\n\n拒绝立案；\n\n拒绝承认；\n\n或否认问题的存在。\n\n\n\n---\n\n2️⃣ 司法欺诈是结构性（structural）问题\n\n“Fraud upon the court（司法欺诈）”：\n\n指向的是司法程序本身被污染或操纵；\n\n涉及正当程序（due process）和司法制度完整性；\n\n不能被当作普通、可自由裁量的动议处理。\n\n\n即便最终裁定被延期，\n法院也必须确保案卷记录是完整和真实的。\n\n\n---\n\n3️⃣ 第二巡回法院的沉默 ≠ 允许压制\n\n第二巡回法院讨论的是：\n\n未来救济是否仍然可用，\n\n\n而不是：\n\n现在是否可以通过不立案、不回应来“压住”问题。\n\n\n任何上诉法院都不可能：\n\n授权拒绝立案；\n\n授权对司法欺诈指控视而不见；\n\n授权策略性忽视。\n\n那将引发严重的宪法问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47263bdec32b572ee6a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q6b436b6700579d45a281","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":742,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-14T01:44:23.332Z","text":"👆 机器人说，无论你是用853n还是CVRA提出司法欺诈，都是一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b436b6700579d45a281","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q271fbf21c931dc16b629","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":743,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-14T03:50:05.951Z","text":"那就好。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6b436b6700579d45a281","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q271fbf21c931dc16b629","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b436b6700579d45a281","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q59350a1fd50ac526d0d4","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":744,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-14T03:54:46.678Z","text":"司法欺诈，无论量刑前后，应该都可以提出。\n何况已经在量刑前都提交上去了，这甚至是能直接影响量刑和整个司法程序的，没有任何拖延的必须性，反而是必须要上传自诉，要正面回复。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47263bdec32b572ee6a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59350a1fd50ac526d0d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47263bdec32b572ee6a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qa68826913c0f282317f8","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":745,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T04:22:04.098Z","text":"你说 就检方这样瞎扯 老郭律师不打 是不是不太可能了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47263bdec32b572ee6a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa68826913c0f282317f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47263bdec32b572ee6a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qbb304700873a24926448","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":746,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T04:27:04.540Z","text":"严重同意。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa68826913c0f282317f8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb304700873a24926448","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa68826913c0f282317f8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qa12fe83b08457441eaf2","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":747,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-14T04:28:15.067Z","text":"如果是表演律师，可能依然装死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa12fe83b08457441eaf2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q55ec1779e8c2ac91a639","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":748,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T04:28:22.392Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa12fe83b08457441eaf2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ec1779e8c2ac91a639","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa12fe83b08457441eaf2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qcf8f5a37ffecfad435e0","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":749,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T04:29:20.632Z","text":"事到如今，他们不可能再装死了。那就比猪还蠢。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf8f5a37ffecfad435e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qa8bbca49a272b21bfa92","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":750,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T04:35:19.552Z","text":"郭的律师也能收到很多信息的，看到不少被打压、没有上传的自诉的。我每次发电子邮件自诉，都会 CC 给他们一份的。\n作为律师，连起码的逻辑思维能力、法律常识还是会有的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8bbca49a272b21bfa92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q2efc2504b398b7bb98b8","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":751,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T04:51:27.087Z","text":"我给高法的17页纸的正文也在同一天邮寄给了郭的三个律师。他们应该能够感受到来自于我这样的第三方的力量的。在周三他们的回应发出前应该已经收到我写的东西。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2efc2504b398b7bb98b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qa9881b1847c6a8531c8f","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":752,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T05:37:49.100Z","text":"我写的东西，除了个人信息，没有什么秘密。你可以稍微再等几天吗？如果立案了的话，网上都可以看到。如果不立案，发出来也没多大意义。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ad6a0bd38f2b900b370","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9881b1847c6a8531c8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qa671af5728e9796e6a06","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":753,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T06:09:32.789Z","text":"最高法立案 只要一只脚踏进去 随便什么内容 都是指数级的核弹","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa9881b1847c6a8531c8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa671af5728e9796e6a06","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9881b1847c6a8531c8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qeb60e9815f5174839ac6","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":754,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T06:48:13.802Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2000095114543440214?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb60e9815f5174839ac6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q564efd59167e48a0e072","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":755,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-14T07:54:18.450Z","text":"比如这个，把托特链接粘贴复制过去就可以下载","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q564efd59167e48a0e072","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe08efa1894078bcfff67","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":756,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T07:59:59.789Z","text":"在线听呗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9cc542125b197ca51a1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe08efa1894078bcfff67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q3324de3c9a1f945de42d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":757,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:08:08.303Z","text":"在线听怕以后找不到。\n你的号常常被封。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe08efa1894078bcfff67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3324de3c9a1f945de42d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe08efa1894078bcfff67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q522057ac98b242fa855a","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":758,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:08:30.493Z","text":"好像这个号一直坚挺😄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q522057ac98b242fa855a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qede2c3c51f374732cda8","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":759,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:08:58.925Z","text":"现在他们开始怕你了。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qede2c3c51f374732cda8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q121b3503f22f4c38411a","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":760,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:09:15.303Z","text":"可能和我法庭身份有关？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q121b3503f22f4c38411a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qb1575af31329c4483a13","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":761,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:10:02.167Z","text":"是的。“自诉陷阱”太可怕了。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1575af31329c4483a13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q7567c5d6e0fb5cf9c408","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":762,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:12:54.100Z","text":"不好用。一开就是广告。实事却办不成","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69339f664c60077053dc","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7567c5d6e0fb5cf9c408","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q9e0f77777c0704067e22","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":763,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-14T08:19:11.264Z","text":"广告，正常，你只需要按照提示，把链接粘贴上去，再看一下广告就搞定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e0f77777c0704067e22","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q28a4ec3f6befb2a4d22e","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":764,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-12-14T08:31:42.904Z","text":"其实不需要看全，看一下cert petition关于Rule 10符合性的论述就知道斤两了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28a4ec3f6befb2a4d22e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1dda42b5f92892049514","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":765,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-14T08:32:20.794Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ ，你，我尊重你。至少你一直按照法律，普通常识分析解读","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dda42b5f92892049514","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q17be9b902f6798019278","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":766,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:32:26.910Z","text":"不只是cert writ也算噢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28a4ec3f6befb2a4d22e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17be9b902f6798019278","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28a4ec3f6befb2a4d22e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q6bf15f583665717503bf","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":767,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:32:52.532Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 是一股清流","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1dda42b5f92892049514","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bf15f583665717503bf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dda42b5f92892049514","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q7cb5b2ddf665fa0e87ee","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":768,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:40:14.336Z","text":"老郭肯定会归隐山林","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cb5b2ddf665fa0e87ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1a4b0333b14e5049befb","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":769,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:40:26.191Z","text":"司法战之后 老郭的形式肯定会变化","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a4b0333b14e5049befb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q332a134d800ca26e93fc","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":770,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-14T08:42:20.818Z","text":"老郭，要是真做到对线承诺，不只是前面前无古人，也会做到后无来者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a4b0333b14e5049befb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q332a134d800ca26e93fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a4b0333b14e5049befb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q285794634e9854ea54b0","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":771,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:46:42.662Z","text":"他之后肯定不是这个形式","edited":false,"reply_to":"q332a134d800ca26e93fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q285794634e9854ea54b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q332a134d800ca26e93fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q8cf0e1433b39983c1fd1","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":772,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:50:01.813Z","text":"我不想他消失在公众的视野里。\n怎么办呀？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cb5b2ddf665fa0e87ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cf0e1433b39983c1fd1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cb5b2ddf665fa0e87ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"qe191d9ca7310a62a80f7","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":773,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:51:29.143Z","text":"王者归来之后人就不见了，那真不没什么意思了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe191d9ca7310a62a80f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q7e19545fcadf70ed90d6","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":774,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:51:53.229Z","text":"法律动议的人肯定能单独会见他😄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e19545fcadf70ed90d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q65d9f4028f8ea15c35d6","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":775,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:52:21.399Z","text":"起码要把这两三年的事情讲清楚吧。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65d9f4028f8ea15c35d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q03f41c6d88f0b88da19d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":776,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:52:40.912Z","text":"不用讲 直接法庭文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03f41c6d88f0b88da19d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q8c6a1bdbb2dc1e3af5b7","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":777,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:54:04.560Z","text":"我还想听他直播呢。\n当然不能让联盟那种人在他身边。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c6a1bdbb2dc1e3af5b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q7b7b0dcacd184f7f667d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":778,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:55:32.584Z","text":"我还是想灭共的，我憎恨共匪的独裁统治。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b7b0dcacd184f7f667d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q880971e176dde7539de1","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":779,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:56:17.224Z","text":"如果不能把老郭弄出来 就说明无法灭共","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b7b0dcacd184f7f667d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q880971e176dde7539de1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b7b0dcacd184f7f667d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q395ddf9a8df9d6f7a51e","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":780,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-14T08:57:09.973Z","text":"老郭说过了2025年灭不了共，他就归隐山林了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q395ddf9a8df9d6f7a51e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1417818117d6c55ef96b","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":781,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:57:20.468Z","text":"他归隐山林，难道让其他人去灭共？那就不好玩了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1417818117d6c55ef96b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q972c5d6f19df9d7d1e02","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":782,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:57:32.902Z","text":"换个方式","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1417818117d6c55ef96b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q972c5d6f19df9d7d1e02","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1417818117d6c55ef96b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q8132e74af2175c9fe15b","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":783,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:57:42.503Z","text":"老郭以前都不是前台人物","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8132e74af2175c9fe15b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q7210cf66bb74aa6cccf5","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":784,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:57:51.145Z","text":"他只是再次回到幕后而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7210cf66bb74aa6cccf5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q0b6a1004498c478fd534","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":785,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T08:58:51.610Z","text":"新的沼泽地似的人物？这样也不错。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7210cf66bb74aa6cccf5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6a1004498c478fd534","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7210cf66bb74aa6cccf5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q0076628b1df6ea333c9d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":786,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-14T08:59:01.366Z","text":"肯定啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0076628b1df6ea333c9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q1e5af969aacebe15572c","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":787,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-14T09:00:30.334Z","text":"就是熬到习150岁，中国被搞的朝鲜化到崩溃🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e5af969aacebe15572c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q3ddba6f6a8758a3fde62","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":788,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-14T09:01:11.120Z","text":"不可能的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e5af969aacebe15572c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ddba6f6a8758a3fde62","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e5af969aacebe15572c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q61c5ace7ad47a589931f","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":789,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-14T09:05:51.589Z","text":"别➗牛逼了，能坚持到将近八十年以后啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e5af969aacebe15572c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61c5ace7ad47a589931f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e5af969aacebe15572c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"},{"id":"q2468cb8d85c153d58c4d","batch_id":"batch-000063","seq":790,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-14T09:07:54.502Z","text":"我的意思是老郭后面的策略是不是和共匪比谁熬的过谁","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61c5ace7ad47a589931f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2468cb8d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还是一群屌丝在这聊天","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c47ac1d6b630fc57a36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000063"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000062","next_batch_id":"batch-000064"}