{"id":"batch-000064","number":64,"revision":2,"date_start":"2025-12-16T02:41:07.010Z","date_end":"2025-12-20T21:33:22.800Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 064 (Dec 16, 2025 – Dec 20, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on procedural pathways across overlapping criminal, bankruptcy, and forfeiture proceedings. Participants disputed whether criminal actions must precede bankruptcy or proceed concurrently, questioning if Second Circuit appeals could overturn existing rulings. Debates focused on victim and third-party standing, creditor registration, and the sixty-day rule. 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May扣押、Luc/Gail债权核验与追回路径","message_ids":["q11dce155a89c5915b55f","qb2f815a6224138d1a4f8","q68b5758e67725974a39e"]},{"title":"政治化与群体极化叙事抬头：对动机归因与标签化语言引发可信度分裂","message_ids":["q24256063699c91ddd560","q32a1116680ba1cd2e444","q3ea843ddeb597065fc30"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T16:24:24.057Z","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000064","page":1,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000064?page=2","prev_url":null,"messages":[{"id":"q6154ea0224a2bb5cff65","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":1,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T02:41:07.010Z","text":"看看这周什么信息出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6154ea0224a2bb5cff65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q28a63827dd985c5723b7","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":2,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-16T02:45:11.172Z","text":"再等两三天看。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28a63827dd985c5723b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q808796cea9846b2063dd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":3,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T03:06:22.025Z","text":"超限战中的舆论战 - 像他们散播的： 郭先生的案子大家不用担心 郭先生自有安排， 这个是政治案件政治解决 要上国会的， 不要攻击法官检察官 不要讨论案件  别帮倒忙， 郭先生律师太牛擦了 …. 这些言论蒙蔽了大多数人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q808796cea9846b2063dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q665c54b408f45ef96971","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":4,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-16T03:31:20.755Z","text":"联盟这些[屏蔽词]，他们解读案子的时候就是对的，他们攻击检方和共产党勾结的时候就是对的，他们给检方法官写信的时候就是对的。他们搞各种表格登记就是对的。","edited":true,"reply_to":"q808796cea9846b2063dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q665c54b408f45ef96971","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q808796cea9846b2063dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q30f73875b5de64e50c8f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":5,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T07:03:57.204Z","text":"这个明显有问题，法庭不负责辨别真假，而且不能以辩方是否反驳作为判断辩方证据真假的标准，这话跟grok抽疯那天的语气差不多了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55a774e9c186b365fe86","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30f73875b5de64e50c8f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55a774e9c186b365fe86","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q8d9cfd2e83315c519424","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":6,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T07:21:31.663Z","text":"外行误判😆  [删节：隐私信息] 士可杀不可辱，你不出来说两句吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q227c8934430bdcd8b9ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d9cfd2e83315c519424","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q227c8934430bdcd8b9ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q38bbcee0d8d1e91bf24e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":7,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T08:35:26.166Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你当时交了几天立案的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38bbcee0d8d1e91bf24e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7a23a22ad8e2c280de80","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":8,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T09:42:51.832Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你是不是和托雷斯认识 能说上话 🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a23a22ad8e2c280de80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q57fc5387b20a3ad0a84c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":9,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T11:02:53.088Z","text":"11月24号到的美国，12月3号立案的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38bbcee0d8d1e91bf24e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57fc5387b20a3ad0a84c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38bbcee0d8d1e91bf24e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q0421a7e864f9ad38a183","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":10,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T13:27:09.834Z","text":"检方是不是还在说郭鼓动人去luc家抗议？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0421a7e864f9ad38a183","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6dc3f0af562953b5ceb1","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":11,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T13:27:46.589Z","text":"事实不是，郭明确说明他不赞成“战友”去luc家抗议吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dc3f0af562953b5ceb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qfcfa06121702cb420551","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":12,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T13:28:06.170Z","text":"还有视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcfa06121702cb420551","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q0af6607ec694b2474999","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":13,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T13:28:22.133Z","text":"这是不是检方故意欺诈误导法庭？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0af6607ec694b2474999","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q25591b7c2bcfd450f488","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":14,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-16T13:34:04.368Z","text":"今天赢麻了没","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25591b7c2bcfd450f488","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q57582de905924d39df45","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":15,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T13:45:08.374Z","text":"以前不都是联盟让人做海报说检察官是ccp吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q808796cea9846b2063dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57582de905924d39df45","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q808796cea9846b2063dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q576031187e43271df246","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":16,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-16T13:50:44.386Z","text":"https://x.com/dDiVul8m3g82864/status/2000907206791979439?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q576031187e43271df246","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q49c1dab17e82522d67d3","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":17,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-16T13:52:23.897Z","text":"老郭做的事还没有成，各路妖魔鬼怪都来咬两口🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q576031187e43271df246","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49c1dab17e82522d67d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q576031187e43271df246","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qdbc8d3b1c0b23f16cc24","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":18,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T14:14:07.182Z","text":"这个没印象了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57582de905924d39df45","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbc8d3b1c0b23f16cc24","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57582de905924d39df45","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3a05a4d262c63f31b394","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":19,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T14:14:51.851Z","text":"郭刚被抓的时候，x上到处都是检方脑门上是CCP党徽的图","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbc8d3b1c0b23f16cc24","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a05a4d262c63f31b394","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.c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有农场出的图片","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f55c62868ff2ec42e63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0db6986664a5393ceb41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f55c62868ff2ec42e63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9eefd6c6cdfc7edd1aef","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":25,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-16T15:26:35.156Z","text":"我自跟案子之后，不再说任何人是特务。之前也极少说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9eefd6c6cdfc7edd1aef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa7bb83699e68f6fadb6b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":26,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T15:28:48.599Z","text":"关键是说了也没用，又没有证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9eefd6c6cdfc7edd1aef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7bb83699e68f6fadb6b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9eefd6c6cdfc7edd1aef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q014501ae3d1cf9ffcb0e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":27,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T15:32:03.212Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/2000950620480790931?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q014501ae3d1cf9ffcb0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qcd9aee781f7558b8ff1d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":28,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T15:32:29.798Z","text":"这些人平时看起来挺正常的，一说起来自诉就逻辑混乱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd9aee781f7558b8ff1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2323844432dbbeece09e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":29,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T15:34:01.298Z","text":"这个乱码妹一直反联盟","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd9aee781f7558b8ff1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2323844432dbbeece09e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd9aee781f7558b8ff1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6fb1cbdbcad2f3b855cb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":30,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T15:37:06.284Z","text":"https://x.com/[删节：成员身份]/status/2000667541837111437?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fb1cbdbcad2f3b855cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q5f5d4edcf9ceca50e504","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":31,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T15:37:29.453Z","text":"这帮人抢着做视频","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f5d4edcf9ceca50e504","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qeb64110e45d37cf6884b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":32,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T15:41:21.503Z","text":"这周你们多盯着南区的文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb64110e45d37cf6884b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q72c1acdda961eda6320c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":33,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T15:46:50.952Z","text":"还有4个工作日","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c1acdda961eda6320c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9cb04680f5dd8afbb977","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":34,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:12:39.046Z","text":"卧槽 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就是律师太[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa2354465888e16cc8341","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q289cdc54912970ed8903","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2354465888e16cc8341","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qfebf3b5bc617dc2d0629","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":50,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T17:16:52.411Z","text":"Gclub玛娃庄园也在上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfebf3b5bc617dc2d0629","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qcc78367205c98c3e7421","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":51,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:17:05.576Z","text":"律师不当","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc78367205c98c3e7421","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa2fd0661ef11107e0710","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":52,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T17:18:12.294Z","text":"你二巡上诉也没赢啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2fd0661ef11107e0710","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q397555ab9ec48ee842cb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":53,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T17:18:16.004Z","text":"虽然也没输","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q397555ab9ec48ee842cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q820474d2b7a45b4a4d3f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":54,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:18:35.937Z","text":"从战略上已经算赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2fd0661ef11107e0710","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q820474d2b7a45b4a4d3f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2fd0661ef11107e0710","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2056b03a9f08580afb1c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":55,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:19:24.997Z","text":"七嫂不知道是不是会比我们先冲到最高法😄","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2056b03a9f08580afb1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qed75a5f9c4cb4d7f2fac","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":56,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T17:20:14.868Z","text":"二巡估计拼不起来，他们想不到那么多","edited":false,"reply_to":"q95608c0f0f7dc5e1ace7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed75a5f9c4cb4d7f2fac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95608c0f0f7dc5e1ace7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe61d705557f97d731057","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":57,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T17:20:36.675Z","text":"他们怎么现在才上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2056b03a9f08580afb1c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe61d705557f97d731057","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2056b03a9f08580afb1c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9e77ae950561160e7b34","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":58,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:21:39.506Z","text":"现在什么都可以用律师不当 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luc 司法欺诈 哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccba50d3ee3075ac6588","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc5f6124f866ee35bb57f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":63,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:35:54.647Z","text":"你在别的庭司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5f6124f866ee35bb57f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q264a995bb3b3ea27ad50","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":64,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:35:58.966Z","text":"还相当受托人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q264a995bb3b3ea27ad50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7bd9428224a842c4aec9","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":65,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T17:36:18.868Z","text":"没收的都有啥来着？借贷，gclub，还有啥？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q97b0589e4649c6480cb4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bd9428224a842c4aec9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97b0589e4649c6480cb4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q1b1ff4fe356a61436622","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":66,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:36:29.349Z","text":"hcoin？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b1ff4fe356a61436622","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qfb3b47aca77bf0f030f1","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":67,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T17:36:59.354Z","text":"有没有？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb3b47aca77bf0f030f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q04c15493b76cf74b1584","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":68,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T17:37:17.587Z","text":"有洗脚所的资产","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfb3b47aca77bf0f030f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04c15493b76cf74b1584","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb3b47aca77bf0f030f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q67cb5f255bd40ae5b705","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":69,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T17:37:24.078Z","text":"借贷有吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67cb5f255bd40ae5b705","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3496f266522410594bd9","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":70,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:37:34.102Z","text":"有hcin我们肯定是第三方","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3496f266522410594bd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3aa452ac316608b0b075","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":71,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:37:51.336Z","text":"等我把刑事案捅穿后","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aa452ac316608b0b075","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q1eb11f239b25c612ae52","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":72,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:38:05.019Z","text":"把破产案也捅了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1eb11f239b25c612ae52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q16001b5a6c00ababcd2d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":73,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T17:38:21.065Z","text":"除了数字银行，其他我都掺和过","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16001b5a6c00ababcd2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb67674e6be44645c9df8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":74,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:38:25.110Z","text":"把733甩给曼宁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/message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你可以想办法去破产法庭。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q784d43823091f0e401fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qce24fc5930b6c985269b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":83,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T17:44:34.371Z","text":"直接就拿luc的妨碍司法说事儿，告诉曼宁luc拿他没认可的事儿去刑事庭起诉，涉嫌跟他共谋伪造证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa46a839a0485fcc8f6a4","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce24fc5930b6c985269b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe21182200c5599c6800d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":84,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:44:49.243Z","text":"等司法欺诈拿到刑事案的确认后 再去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q784d43823091f0e401fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe21182200c5599c6800d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q784d43823091f0e401fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qbf7b3e24a4bfc1802662","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":85,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T17:44:57.107Z","text":"现在他们是默认","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf7b3e24a4bfc1802662","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc5c3e937ca6cf5992501","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":86,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-16T18:48:21.631Z","text":"开辟新战场了😂  ，先把受害者当上，再高举司法欺诈大旗在破产庭痛扁路壳😁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5c3e937ca6cf5992501","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf9cb2f731d4c313fdc5b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":87,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-16T18:49:44.786Z","text":"恩，做实先","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9cb2f731d4c313fdc5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb6d851a5f1163e74c9f1","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":88,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:03:14.066Z","text":"肉身自由都没了他还能干啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6d851a5f1163e74c9f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q68c566185b63d7e67758","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":89,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T19:03:41.898Z","text":"这案子一开始就不是他风格","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb6d851a5f1163e74c9f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68c566185b63d7e67758","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6d851a5f1163e74c9f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qef862a640d3d59ce723b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":90,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:05:17.091Z","text":"那会我还以为他一切都安排好了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef862a640d3d59ce723b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3497df5a13639cea46cb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":91,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T19:05:59.585Z","text":"咱们这里不要要开辟一个郭美 郭嫂 破产案战场/论坛  - 给她们支招的？😃有这个能力吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3497df5a13639cea46cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q87fb162906cf011f7a2e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":92,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:06:28.274Z","text":"先把刑事案弄利索吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3497df5a13639cea46cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87fb162906cf011f7a2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3497df5a13639cea46cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4bb452c4121e7323b9ad","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":93,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T19:07:02.534Z","text":"可以同时进行； [删节：成员身份]还有时间做算术题呢","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bb452c4121e7323b9ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe1a93bd4398152901537","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":94,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:07:26.269Z","text":"刑事案没有反转就去破产案等于吸引火力，找死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1a93bd4398152901537","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa0b004b44698457d54f7","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":95,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-16T19:15:31.846Z","text":"在美国破产法中：\n\n破产法庭不是‘债务人的法庭’，\n而是‘所有利害关系人的法庭（court of equity）’。\n\n而“受害者”，在法律上通常同时具备以下一种或多种身份：\n    •    creditor（债权人）\n    •    potential creditor（潜在债权人）\n    •    party in interest（利害关系人）\n    •    claimant（索赔人）\n\n👉 这些身份，全部都是破产法庭“欢迎出现”的对象。\n\n⸻\n\n二、为什么“受害者”不仅能去，而且比很多人更有资格？\n\n1️⃣ 破产法的基本逻辑\n\n破产程序的三大目的：\n    1.    确认谁有权分钱\n    2.    确认钱从哪来\n    3.    防止错误的人拿走钱\n\n如果“受害者不能去破产法庭”，那意味着：\n    •    索赔由谁决定？\n    •    受害者身份由谁定义？\n    •    是否存在虚假索赔，谁来揭示？\n\n👉 这在制度上是荒谬的，也是不合法的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0b004b44698457d54f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q07795064bbe6c2145832","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":96,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-16T19:15:58.238Z","text":"你们去破产法庭，法律上是在做什么？\n\n不是去：\n    •    ❌ 给被告辩护\n    •    ❌ 推翻刑事案\n    •    ❌ 攻击法官或检方\n\n而是去：\n    •    ✅ 说清楚 “我是不是债权人 / 受害者”\n    •    ✅ 说清楚 “谁不应该被算作受害者”\n    •    ✅ 说清楚 “资产与索赔是否被正确匹配”\n\n👉 这正是破产法庭存在的意义。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07795064bbe6c2145832","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qcfa0467ba80ebcce7fd8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":97,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-16T19:16:36.543Z","text":"因为一旦受害者进入破产程序，就会问：\n    •    我投的钱去哪了？\n    •    谁投了，谁没投？\n    •    谁在重复索赔？\n    •    谁的索赔缺乏证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfa0467ba80ebcce7fd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q1fd73eba4fc5fe72f796","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":98,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:30:20.247Z","text":"能在破产庭说刑事庭的事儿吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99accc00e37e8659bfc5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fd73eba4fc5fe72f796","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q250c5f12dbdcb443a337","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":99,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T19:30:29.717Z","text":"可以的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1fd73eba4fc5fe72f796","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q250c5f12dbdcb443a337","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fd73eba4fc5fe72f796","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9991f456500f2af3ba93","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":100,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T19:30:51.864Z","text":"因为他们拿的是破产庭的有争议的内容 去欺诈刑事庭法官","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9991f456500f2af3ba93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q69dd66f487daaf888358","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":101,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:36:28.725Z","text":"债权人登记是破产庭的事吗？虚假索赔这个可以说一说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69dd66f487daaf888358","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4d7eb527368101f1bfd9","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":102,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:37:00.475Z","text":"这个也轮不到受害者提出来吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9991f456500f2af3ba93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d7eb527368101f1bfd9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9991f456500f2af3ba93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4c24556f93fe9c0884df","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":103,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-16T19:44:47.521Z","text":"哈哈，被骗参加债权人还有此妙用😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7030dd4030c99b689216","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c24556f93fe9c0884df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2ef628c1e8ddf6f19775","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":104,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:50:10.693Z","text":"债权人登记的可以，其他没收项目的人打哪一点","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7030dd4030c99b689216","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ef628c1e8ddf6f19775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4be5edf8ec4313cba849","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":105,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T19:53:29.842Z","text":"拿388的债权人登记妨碍司法去打luc受托人身份不合法？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4be5edf8ec4313cba849","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q702da7a2c9c51078a722","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":106,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T20:09:32.737Z","text":"100%。这1600人 没被luc 核查， 检方又拿到刑事法庭 作为关押起诉被告的基础","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cbcc2c662bd48114e6a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q702da7a2c9c51078a722","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf78572762f1bccfc5205","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":107,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T20:12:51.727Z","text":"看来这些在luc那里做债权人登记的 可以去破产法庭 打luc -根据瑞恩上面上的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf78572762f1bccfc5205","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q8a85d8637b49254370be","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":108,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-16T20:16:34.497Z","text":"拖延战术","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a85d8637b49254370be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q733235a300834cc3931c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":109,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T20:21:37.326Z","text":"388是法官命令，已经没法改了，733法官还没有反应","edited":false,"reply_to":"q707659c44f394a3fd743","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q733235a300834cc3931c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q08434b590429e0d06391","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":110,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T20:22:30.285Z","text":"如果托雷斯有反馈后再去破产庭说会更有力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08434b590429e0d06391","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7e8a3bc01eb68ce85a7f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":111,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T20:38:36.235Z","text":"检方说的injunction，是指的曼宁没批准的禁止令，还是之前她已经批准的禁止令？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6730cd19bde3cf1f1226","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e8a3bc01eb68ce85a7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q76ccd80e49cd0e5a1f54","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":112,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T20:41:00.928Z","text":"但是检方说郭鼓动登记是违反禁止令了吗，检方说的是despite the injunction, 郭还是鼓动了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedbd4a3d46e27052c3f2","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76ccd80e49cd0e5a1f54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9217bf532f0cf3613658","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":113,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T20:43:03.392Z","text":"破产庭对郭鼓动登记没有任何定性？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9217bf532f0cf3613658","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qeee03963bdd50f759c8f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":114,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T20:44:04.176Z","text":"但是刑事庭定性了，郭鼓动登记是虚假索赔，妨碍司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeee03963bdd50f759c8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2583db2d7a06d90e4455","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":115,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T20:45:29.829Z","text":"曼宁怎么知道公族有没有问题？如果luc不调查，曼宁不会知道吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26913411c26bf6fd3957","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2583db2d7a06d90e4455","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb54f6d97c15affabdebb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":116,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T20:47:03.347Z","text":"他们说的despite 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好像是219","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1fb701adc647005e5a8e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6e369a617d8b63a2658","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fb701adc647005e5a8e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3cc834fd00a0cce80300","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":126,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T20:54:58.770Z","text":"就是第二次保释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cc834fd00a0cce80300","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q24a556cb11b854fc2d74","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":127,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:08:16.372Z","text":"定性妨碍司法不是为了抓人吧，是为拒绝保释吧；定性虚假索赔也是为了保释吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d44da1116bd6e7ec03e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24a556cb11b854fc2d74","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q0888c9a4ac699fec2f79","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":128,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:09:07.847Z","text":"但你定性了虚假索赔，这不就是自相矛盾吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0888c9a4ac699fec2f79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4dccd2a825872e00999a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":129,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T21:09:18.998Z","text":"388法官以债权人登记妨碍司法为由拒绝保释","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a18511e0b464d047459","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dccd2a825872e00999a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf053e2f32e59ca7b3a2f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":130,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:18:47.528Z","text":"刑事案公诉需要有报案人吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69d607002006bb0fc2c7","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf053e2f32e59ca7b3a2f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4e2d15993e3337f9a91f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":131,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:19:18.411Z","text":"他们为了不让郭保释，就搞出这么一个自相矛盾的定性？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q467ab5daa901ef2f9f05","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e2d15993e3337f9a91f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q462caefe149374d6bd5a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":132,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:19:34.059Z","text":"他们不搞这个，郭就保释啦？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q462caefe149374d6bd5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc1434023c4cf4c1a586e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":133,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T21:19:48.531Z","text":"我也一直在想这个问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q462caefe149374d6bd5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1434023c4cf4c1a586e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q462caefe149374d6bd5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe3c83d1eda764f191a13","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":134,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T21:19:58.004Z","text":"为什么一定要搞这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c83d1eda764f191a13","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7a4869da644e2da00985","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":135,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:22:56.206Z","text":"意见虎报的民事案吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb14d48a026859b8711c","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a4869da644e2da00985","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb5c2b698996303be5983","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":136,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:23:13.088Z","text":"刑事案也需要有人报案吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5c2b698996303be5983","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-0000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[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd963764585515e644483","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94daafc2dd3b581f86ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q43b2f53fac6c5ae91e5d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":146,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T21:28:12.753Z","text":"是先有那个动议 老郭再被抓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43b2f53fac6c5ae91e5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q398c8188522b565dcb18","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":147,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T21:29:35.739Z","text":"这个我不清楚 但是luc想把鼓动登记 变成违反禁制令的破产案动议  是早于老郭被抓","edited":false,"reply_to":"q94daafc2dd3b581f86ed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q398c8188522b565dcb18","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94daafc2dd3b581f86ed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb5d7dd4e1ae700c3c212","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":148,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-16T21:34:23.876Z","text":"曼宁搁置，肯定是拒绝老郭保释之后了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q398c8188522b565dcb18","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5d7dd4e1ae700c3c212","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q398c8188522b565dcb18","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4492a4b9fbb725e91f21","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":149,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:35:09.807Z","text":"而且这个案子一开始没有rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4492a4b9fbb725e91f21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe234ed5b6b9bfca34b23","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":150,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:35:25.350Z","text":"后来才添加rico","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe234ed5b6b9bfca34b23","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4058e08ef7d09e3f030c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":151,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T21:40:33.792Z","text":"没人报案，检方如何发现问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf053e2f32e59ca7b3a2f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4058e08ef7d09e3f030c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf053e2f32e59ca7b3a2f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q8463064bc56e548ceb66","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":152,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T21:41:19.033Z","text":"杀人犯，诈骗金额更大的都能保释，郭当然可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"q462caefe149374d6bd5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8463064bc56e548ceb66","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q462caefe149374d6bd5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q903f296d3e863f0336b6","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":153,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T21:42:17.489Z","text":"那是很后面","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb5d7dd4e1ae700c3c212","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q903f296d3e863f0336b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5d7dd4e1ae700c3c212","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q37facf1925a66b456c3b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":154,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T21:45:40.291Z","text":"那就是1345更早，388都是抓人以后的事了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q398c8188522b565dcb18","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37facf1925a66b456c3b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q398c8188522b565dcb18","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q968f5d1bdb3abd684289","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":155,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:57:01.425Z","text":"也许是检方自己找的案子😆 根据民事案SEC破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4058e08ef7d09e3f030c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q968f5d1bdb3abd684289","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4058e08ef7d09e3f030c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb6fe828950162467dc7a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":156,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T21:58:06.236Z","text":"不过那些案子肯定有报假案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6fe828950162467dc7a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q34a2cdb22ea23199c0c1","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":157,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-16T21:58:22.398Z","text":"那就太假了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q968f5d1bdb3abd684289","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a2cdb22ea23199c0c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q968f5d1bdb3abd684289","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q73f63935fc595731613e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":158,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-16T22:05:27.970Z","text":"联盟农场确实有在诈骗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34a2cdb22ea23199c0c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73f63935fc595731613e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34a2cdb22ea23199c0c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2b18eb142a211acae3a4","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":159,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-16T23:01:56.574Z","text":"深水炸弹的前提是你的东西要上传。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03d81f502c596ccf5dd1","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b18eb142a211acae3a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa14a761349c0bf5ab926","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":160,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-16T23:03:00.990Z","text":"大家随时关注明天到周五 南区的docket","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa14a761349c0bf5ab926","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q5f3748c5fd4631d768bc","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":161,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T00:24:26.425Z","text":"瑞恩好像是头一天签收第二天就立案。您这边用了9天，后面是问了你很多财务方面的细节吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e62e35f4c2ba2e16698","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f3748c5fd4631d768bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e62e35f4c2ba2e16698","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc3c338bd00ceb3cfe83e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":162,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T00:26:36.535Z","text":"​1. 资产状态梳理：南区检方 vs. 破产受托人 (Luc)\n​你问的核心问题是：到底谁控制了什么？Luc是不是政府的白手套？\n​时间点 A：2024年1月19日（提交 Document 233 时）\n​在这个时间点，资产处于一种“双重冻结但互不隶属”的状态：\n​南区检方（SDNY）控制的资产：\n​现金大头： 喜马拉雅交易所（Himalaya Exchange）约 6.34亿美元。\n​银行账户： 21个涉案银行账户中的现金（包括汉密尔顿银行等）。\n​实物动产： Lady May 游艇、布加迪、法拉利等豪车。\n​状态： 这些被刑事扣押（Seized），理论上Luc碰不到，检方承诺要没收并返还给受害者。\n​破产受托人（Luc/Trustee）控制的资产：\n​企业实体（The Entities）： Luc控制的是公司的“壳”和股权（如 G-Clubs Operations LLC, Pangu Entities 等）。\n​房产（实物）： Mahwah 豪宅（新泽西大宅）。注意： 此时检方和Luc签了一个特例协议（Stipulation），允许Luc去维护和卖这个房子，钱以后再分。\n​办公用品/家具： 豪宅里的地毯、电视、床垫等。\n​状态： Luc正在向破产法院申请巨额费用来“管理”这些公司实体，并试图把检方扣押的钱“归入”破产财团（这也是被告当时反对的理由）。\n​灰色地带（Overlap/The Trap）：\n​虽然检方扣押了喜交易所的钱，但Luc控制了喜交易所的实体（公司）。Luc一直在动议说“我是这些公司的老板，我有权查账，我有权管理”。\n​关键矛盾： 检方在 Doc 233 里发誓说：“除了豪宅，我们和Luc没有任何其他协议。”“我们认为这些被扣押的资产不应该转移给破产财团。”\n​时间点 B：2024年8月11日（签署初步没收令 Document 720 时）\n​法律状态突变： 法院正式签署命令，确认上述检方扣押的资产（6.34亿、游艇、豪车、豪宅的政府权益）归美国政府所有。\n​你的困境： 虽然法律上归政府了，但检方在 Document 750 里说“什么时候执行是我的事，法院别管”。\n​后果： 检方**“占着茅坑不拉屎”**（拒绝执行交割）。这导致Luc可以继续以“配合政府调查”或“管理相关实体”为名，继续在破产案里烧钱。因为只要资产没有彻底划走变成“受害者赔偿基金”，Luc就能找理由从相关联的实体里收管理费。\n​2. Luc 与 司法部 (DOJ) 的关系：是否算“政府扣押”？\n​在二巡的论述中，你需要把这个关系说得非常精准，不要说“Luc是间谍”，要说**“行政上的利益冲突（Administrative Conflict of Interest）”**。\n​名义上： Luc 是 Chapter 11 Trustee，由**美国受托人（U.S. Trustee）**任命。\n​实质上： U.S. Trustee 是**美国司法部（DOJ）**的一个部门。\n​二巡论点： 南区检方（DOJ）和 U.S. Trustee（DOJ）本是同根生。现在的情况是，DOJ的一只手（检方）扣着钱不给受害者，DOJ的另一只手（Luc）在疯狂花这笔钱的关联费用。 这构成了“政府对自己查扣资产的耗散（Dissipation of Assets by the Government's own Appointee）”。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7bd9428224a842c4aec9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3c338bd00ceb3cfe83e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bd9428224a842c4aec9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q11dce155a89c5915b55f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":163,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T00:28:40.748Z","text":"Lady may不在luc手里吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc3c338bd00ceb3cfe83e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11dce155a89c5915b55f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3c338bd00ceb3cfe83e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qd1cfd9265275438b0470","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":164,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T00:31:09.521Z","text":"我觉得刑事法庭定义的没错，债权人登记就是虚假索赔，妨碍司法。但是不是郭的责任，是luc失职的责任，还有最早登记假债权人的人的责任。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1cfd9265275438b0470","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q50cb91b2f80113800e6c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":165,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T00:49:10.006Z","text":"在起诉书还是文件7，lady确实转到了受托人名下，可能ai也搞错了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11dce155a89c5915b55f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50cb91b2f80113800e6c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11dce155a89c5915b55f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q475510b8563468d5f685","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":166,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T01:22:08.081Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1cfd9265275438b0470","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q475510b8563468d5f685","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1cfd9265275438b0470","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q68b5758e67725974a39e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":167,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T01:22:22.117Z","text":"就是检方和luc 最最起码有一个渎职的罪名","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68b5758e67725974a39e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9064386b5b182eeb12ca","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":168,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T01:29:23.694Z","text":"破产案，先是pax的虚假债权进来，被告反对，当然被禁止反对，完全不让被告说话，然后被告在直播里说就是共产党的法院也没有这么夸张，然后灭共演员诈骗犯们就去抗议luc,现在看来就是在配合整个行动做局，然后被告发视频说那是你们的自由与权利，但他本人反对这么做。然后是破产法庭的对抗性诉讼（Case No. 22-05032 （康州破产法院）），luc与pax在这个案子的文件128和132要求发出禁制令，认定g系列属于被告。禁制令被批准，没有裁定资产所有权。这个禁制令的批准在文件134，我一直没找到这个文件，有pacer的可以去找一下看能否找到。这个案件的文件128成为了南区文件7附件3。接下来luc就找拱卒登记虚假债权，被告在社交媒体上提这个事，同时去破产庭反对虚假债权，然后luc就在Case No. 22-50073 (JAM)的文件1345里主张被告违反禁制令，在1347主张禁止被告反对任何债权。1399破产法庭说被告“没资格反对”，然后被告就在2023年1月23日的大直播里正式的让g系列投资者像拱卒那样去登记，然后luc在1418继续主张被告在妨碍破产程序，还把被告谈债权人登记那段做了认证翻译，虽然翻译得不全面也翻译得很差。然后南区检方3月6日密封起诉，3月15日被抓捕。然后就是南区法院里的荒唐表演。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9064386b5b182eeb12ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q57052cb6e391f35fff42","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":169,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T01:33:50.842Z","text":"拖累斯最开始暴露问题，就是螺丝哥指出了虚假索赔妨碍司法后她不去纠错，至少应该去找luc核实拱卒的债权是不是真的？如果是真的，你得把问题反馈给司法部，但她没有去核实，在那个时候，她就已经决定想蒙混过关了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57052cb6e391f35fff42","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf0ba89ff73fa3b0d6739","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":170,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T01:38:49.608Z","text":"感觉就是不承认自己之前被耍，检方隐瞒，辩方也不指出来，被检方和辩方联合起来忽悠了，法官本来就几乎不会遇到检方和辩方联合起来陷害被告这种极端情况，遭遇极端情况被忽悠，承认也没什么大不了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0ba89ff73fa3b0d6739","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q54eb659c71c47aeb58a8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":171,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T02:45:50.079Z","text":"不是承认不承认的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0ba89ff73fa3b0d6739","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54eb659c71c47aeb58a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0ba89ff73fa3b0d6739","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q56f347961c0ed0e70dba","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":172,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T02:46:00.017Z","text":"法官完全就是在那里演","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56f347961c0ed0e70dba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc8580b269ca5684cc5d7","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":173,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-17T02:55:49.865Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]PAX债权人，应该是老郭自己添加的，你不能说PAX是虚假债权","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9064386b5b182eeb12ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8580b269ca5684cc5d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9064386b5b182eeb12ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q81ca687d29901b09e619","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":174,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T02:58:30.257Z","text":"吴铮杨澜都是老郭添加的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8580b269ca5684cc5d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81ca687d29901b09e619","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8580b269ca5684cc5d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q1d44af87b6af87cdccb5","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":175,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T03:09:29.576Z","text":"pax应该是主动进来的，很多行动都是luc和pax一起在进行。1345,1347，以及对抗性诉讼，它们都是一起行动。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8580b269ca5684cc5d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d44af87b6af87cdccb5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8580b269ca5684cc5d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qdce7552ad197d1e23591","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":176,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T03:12:15.876Z","text":"被告是说过pax是虚假债权，就像他说luc找拱卒登记虚假债权一样。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdce7552ad197d1e23591","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qcec2f66ba1cb1cda2ef6","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":177,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T03:13:46.959Z","text":"如果不指出拱卒的虚假债权，luc长期“临时扣押”到显得有几分合理性。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcec2f66ba1cb1cda2ef6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qefae2202f654e88153df","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":178,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T03:20:29.810Z","text":"吴征杨澜范冰冰等是应该是被告加进来的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81ca687d29901b09e619","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefae2202f654e88153df","reply_url":"https://mube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也就是明天","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6087e82c9adc21d19cac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c98c7d804a25b6c73e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6087e82c9adc21d19cac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9ef2863df1b4674652c8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":189,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T05:52:14.887Z","text":"774是请求17号反对检方的反对，但是法官还没有批准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q72c98c7d804a25b6c73e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ef2863df1b4674652c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c98c7d804a25b6c73e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3b5d88f493f3d00bd212","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":190,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T05:52:32.978Z","text":"没有批准你就不能再反对。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b5d88f493f3d00bd212","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3a4ba075aee0988ed746","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":191,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T05:58:16.652Z","text":"哦 如果不批准 郭律师都说不了话？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ef2863df1b4674652c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a4ba075aee0988ed746","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ef2863df1b4674652c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7174c7341b594c4a4f95","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":192,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T05:59:47.054Z","text":"应该是这样。我在想，托雷斯干脆也完全躺平，1月20的量刑听证也不开了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a4ba075aee0988ed746","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7174c7341b594c4a4f95","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a4ba075aee0988ed746","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qbdf9d8870c10dd6405c5","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":193,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T06:00:02.987Z","text":"我也觉得可能是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7174c7341b594c4a4f95","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdf9d8870c10dd6405c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7174c7341b594c4a4f95","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qebf0259d7f27b72e9678","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":194,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-17T06:18:41.110Z","text":"没有，只是让补文件，可能是我没有写紧急的原因？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f3748c5fd4631d768bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebf0259d7f27b72e9678","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f3748c5fd4631d768bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3dfaceca1f35022f4f90","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":195,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T06:35:10.155Z","text":"Case 22-50073 Doc 1399 Filed 01/27/23 Entered 01/27/23 14:35:31，1399是在1月23日之后，看来在1399前，被告被驳回过一次反对，或者这个1399是延迟上传。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9064386b5b182eeb12ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dfaceca1f35022f4f90","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9064386b5b182eeb12ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q41f01e5d2bae72965dd5","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":196,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T06:58:49.131Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  出来玩耍！！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41f01e5d2bae72965dd5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3ed9078952ae6ed8e3bd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":197,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T07:21:13.018Z","text":"你误会了 我对[删节：成员身份]现在刮目相看 他在我二巡立案前突然转向 让人叹为观止 然后现在[删节：成员身份] 留下了功与名","edited":true,"reply_to":"q432ca1da3a7ae882bcaf","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ed9078952ae6ed8e3bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe464670650982c9eb1cd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":198,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-17T07:43:50.771Z","text":"你和螺丝哥扬名立万了 我们这些幸福的喜国人怎么办","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe464670650982c9eb1cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qff1e4cb1aae3e90e5ead","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":199,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-17T07:46:37.336Z","text":"的确，上庭才好玩。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe464670650982c9eb1cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff1e4cb1aae3e90e5ead","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe464670650982c9eb1cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q84099e6730d45a930c56","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":200,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-17T07:50:19.672Z","text":"那个1399驳回的理由很搞笑，首先是在你没有证明受托人玩忽职守的情况下，应该相信受托人，受托人确实勤勉尽责，满世界搞所谓的破产调查挥霍了我们6000多万，这些都是你破产法庭批准的，你咋不让你自己的钱让luc去搞破产调查呢！第二个更搞笑，然后说，不管债权真假，反正你债务人的必须偿还债权已经确定了，对你债务人没影响，所以你没资格反对。一堆虚假债权人来破产欺诈，你不让人反对。引用的判例几乎都是二巡和南区的判例。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84099e6730d45a930c56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000063","next_batch_id":"batch-000065"}