{"id":"batch-000064","number":64,"revision":2,"date_start":"2025-12-16T02:41:07.010Z","date_end":"2025-12-20T21:33:22.800Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 064 (Dec 16, 2025 – Dec 20, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on procedural pathways across overlapping criminal, bankruptcy, and forfeiture proceedings. Participants disputed whether criminal actions must precede bankruptcy or proceed concurrently, questioning if Second Circuit appeals could overturn existing rulings. Debates focused on victim and third-party standing, creditor registration, and the sixty-day rule. Central controversies included 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) forfeiture notices, sentencing delays referenced in ECF 776 and ECF 780, Brady disclosure completeness, and judicial impartiality without consensus.","guide_en":[{"title":"Criminal and Bankruptcy Sequencing: Prioritizing Criminal Case Versus Concurrent Proceedings","description":"Participants dispute whether criminal litigation must conclude before addressing bankruptcy matters or if both tracks should proceed simultaneously.","message_ids":["q3497df5a13639cea46cb","q87fb162906cf011f7a2e","q1fd73eba4fc5fe72f796"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3497df5a13639cea46cb","summary_en":"Participant beg*** asks whether the group should establish a discussion forum to advise family members on their bankruptcy cases, questioning whether participants possess the capability."},{"message_id":"q87fb162906cf011f7a2e","summary_en":"Participant ntp*** contends that the criminal case must be fully resolved before turning attention elsewhere."},{"message_id":"q1fd73eba4fc5fe72f796","summary_en":"Participant ntp*** questions whether matters from criminal proceedings can properly be raised in bankruptcy court."}]},{"title":"Second Circuit Appeals and the Reversal of Property and Criminal Boundaries","description":"Participants dispute whether an appeal to the Second Circuit can overturn established rulings across criminal and bankruptcy property proceedings.","message_ids":["q9cb04680f5dd8afbb977","q63cd892af247c4bcebe5","q820474d2b7a45b4a4d3f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9cb04680f5dd8afbb977","summary_en":"Participant rui*** questions how many decisions across the bankruptcy court and the criminal case would have to be overturned."},{"message_id":"q63cd892af247c4bcebe5","summary_en":"Participant rui*** questions how she was able to make an appearance."},{"message_id":"q820474d2b7a45b4a4d3f","summary_en":"Participant rui*** contends that the development already represents a strategic victory."}]},{"title":"Divergent Understandings of Victim and Third-Party Standing, Dockets, and the Sixty-Day Rule","description":"Participants dispute what criteria confer third-party or victim standing to pursue assets and debate procedural timelines under court rules.","message_ids":["q97b0589e4649c6480cb4","q70a66e49a38028fe4771","q20c4ed64fa13e3925df5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q97b0589e4649c6480cb4","summary_en":"Participant rui*** argues that having one's investment designated as forfeited property by trustee Luc qualifies them for standing."},{"message_id":"q70a66e49a38028fe4771","summary_en":"Participant ntp*** contends that such a qualification does not conform to proper procedural standards."},{"message_id":"q20c4ed64fa13e3925df5","summary_en":"Participant rui*** contends that those seeking recovery are presumably the individuals demanding their money back."}]},{"title":"Sentencing Adjournment Dispute: Lack of Preparation Versus Allegations of Strategic Delay","description":"Participants examine defense motions seeking a three-month postponement of sentencing against government claims of intentional delay.","message_ids":["q441275e5420542f4043b","q4f6faead06f4f9c77019","qeb75eca371cd4f0e24bd"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q441275e5420542f4043b","summary_en":"Participant him*** describes a letter filed on Dec 17, 2025 via ECF requesting a three-month sentencing adjournment from Jan 20, 2026, citing 64 TB of discovery, translation needs, CJA funding suspensions, and Rule 32.2(b)(3)."},{"message_id":"q4f6faead06f4f9c77019","summary_en":"Participant ntp*** contends that addressing third-party motions would expose underlying problems for counsel to challenge, though they doubt Judge Torres would permit it."},{"message_id":"qeb75eca371cd4f0e24bd","summary_en":"Participant sar*** analyzes ECF 776, outlining the defense's second request to delay the Jan 20, 2026 sentencing based on 64 TB of discovery, CJA fee interruptions, and classified material motions, while refuting prosecution allegations in ECF 773."}]},{"title":"Section 853(n) Forfeiture Sequencing and Notice Deadlines: Pre-Sentencing Timing Disputes","description":"Participants dispute whether third-party proceedings under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) require waiting for sentencing and discuss the lack of published public notice.","message_ids":["q70b5d851c02ca6441dbf","qf4427f56aebf402740dc","qdc8b6a4aeb56bfcc6486"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q70b5d851c02ca6441dbf","summary_en":"Participant rui*** contends that victims do not need to wait for sentencing before forfeiture processes can commence."},{"message_id":"qf4427f56aebf402740dc","summary_en":"Participant him*** argues that legal arguments establish that third-party motions can be handled prior to sentencing."},{"message_id":"qdc8b6a4aeb56bfcc6486","summary_en":"Participant beg*** recounts counsel stating that the court issued a preliminary forfeiture order on Aug 11, 2025, but notes that searches on government websites found no published notice."}]},{"title":"Brady and Evidence Disclosure Disputes: Video, Remittance Receipts, and 64 TB of Materials","description":"Participants debate whether the prosecution committed Brady violations by failing to provide full disclosure across 64 TB of discovery.","message_ids":["q0797cc85b1d28bf5129c","q2e1f1f4d261c75ee80c9","qdfaf35431b76d0ce0490"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0797cc85b1d28bf5129c","summary_en":"Participant beg*** asks whether the claim is based on the prosecution withholding favorable witness statements in violation of Brady."},{"message_id":"q2e1f1f4d261c75ee80c9","summary_en":"Participant yyy*** contends that German-language remittance slips were provided as part of the evidence challenged by the defense under ECF 1344."},{"message_id":"qdfaf35431b76d0ce0490","summary_en":"Participant him*** describes ECF 780, summarizing defense counsel's response to the prosecution regarding the 64 TB discovery burden, Rule 17(c) subpoenas, defendant's language limitations, and CIPA filings following the Aug 11, 2025 order."}]},{"title":"Judicial Roles and Bias Allegations: Victim Standing Boundaries and Judicial Inaction","description":"Participants dispute the proper scope of victim standing in bankruptcy proceedings and debate whether judicial silence indicates bias.","message_ids":["qa0b004b44698457d54f7","q9995fbec8838ca86dc2d","q42a6aeb731472cb90443"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa0b004b44698457d54f7","summary_en":"Participant roy*** argues that bankruptcy courts function as courts of equity where alleged victims are entitled to participate as creditors, claimants, or parties in interest."},{"message_id":"q9995fbec8838ca86dc2d","summary_en":"Participant rui*** contends that the presiding judges associated with the case have remained silent and failed to speak out."},{"message_id":"q42a6aeb731472cb90443","summary_en":"Participant ntp*** asks what legal concept defines disparate treatment by a presiding judge."}]},{"title":"Escalating Debates on Culpability and Roles: Corporate Status and the Nature of Losses","description":"Participants dispute the defendant's executive role in corporate entities and debate the classification of investor losses.","message_ids":["q90aa351bb39d6818f95d","q42abc0b106deb5592327","q4b78ab89f96f3fe8c582"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q90aa351bb39d6818f95d","summary_en":"Participant him*** contends that Guo was never the chief executive officer."},{"message_id":"q42abc0b106deb5592327","summary_en":"Participant him*** argues that Guo acted merely as an advisor and brand spokesperson."},{"message_id":"q4b78ab89f96f3fe8c582","summary_en":"Participant reb*** questions whether the alleged victim was misled by the defendant or third parties, and whether they participated in G-series investments or purchased HCN on the open market."}]},{"title":"Asset Disposition and Third-Party Claims: The Lady May Yacht and Trustee Verification","description":"Participants dispute custody over the yacht Lady May and criticize bankruptcy trustee Luc Despins regarding asset 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May扣押、Luc/Gail债权核验与追回路径","message_ids":["q11dce155a89c5915b55f","qb2f815a6224138d1a4f8","q68b5758e67725974a39e"]},{"title":"政治化与群体极化叙事抬头：对动机归因与标签化语言引发可信度分裂","message_ids":["q24256063699c91ddd560","q32a1116680ba1cd2e444","q3ea843ddeb597065fc30"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T16:24:24.057Z","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064/pages/3","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000064?page=3","page":3,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000064?page=4","prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000064?page=2","messages":[{"id":"qac6f291ee218d8ce60e1","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":401,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-17T22:11:14.114Z","text":"注意到这点了，可能是辩方的失误","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ea17bcd8759e40fdfe0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac6f291ee218d8ce60e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ea17bcd8759e40fdfe0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb1ed9ad538ea4c7f21ff","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":402,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:11:15.556Z","text":"是的，辩方在法律上是正确的。\n在初步没收令（preliminary order of forfeiture）已经签发的情况下，§ 853(n) 的第三方附带程序可以、也允许在量刑之前启动；法律并不要求必须等到量刑完成或最终没收令（final order of forfeiture）作出。\n\n\n---\n\n一、法律依据（核心规则）\n\n1. 《联邦刑事诉讼规则》Rule 32.2(b)(3)\n\n该规则明确规定：\n\n> 初步没收令的作出，即授权政府开始符合第三方权利法规的程序。\n\n\n\n这意味着：\n\n一旦有初步没收令，政府就可以发布公告、通知第三方；\n\n并不以量刑为前提条件。\n\n\n\n---\n\n2. 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)\n\n该条款规定了第三方主张权利的机制，并要求政府在没收令作出后发布公告、启动第三方申诉程序。\n司法实践中，该“没收令”被一致解释为包括初步没收令，而非仅限于量刑后的最终没收令。\n\n\n---\n\n二、判例法（辩方引用是准确的）\n\n多个联邦上诉法院明确支持这一点，包括但不限于：\n\nSecond Circuit（第二巡回）\n明确指出：\n\n> 政府不必等到被告量刑，即可通知潜在第三方并启动 §853(n) 附带程序。\n\n\n\nEleventh Circuit、District of Kansas 等\n也一致认为：\n\n> 初步没收令一经签发，政府即可发布公告并开始第三方程序。\n\n\n\n\n这些判例直接否定了“必须等量刑后才能启动 §853(n)”的说法。\n\n\n---\n\n三、区分一个常见混淆点（非常重要）\n\n✔ § 853(n) 附带程序\n\n司法程序\n\n决定第三方是否对没收财产享有优先于政府的权利\n\n可以在量刑前启动\n\n\n✘ 最终没收令 / 财产分配完成\n\n通常在量刑后、第三方程序结束后\n\n这是程序完成阶段，不是启动条件\n\n\n政府在文件中把**“最终没收/分配完成”与“启动第三方程序”**混为一谈，这是辩方指出其法律错误的关键。\n\n\n---\n\n四、结合本案语境的客观评价\n\n在你提供的文件中：\n\n法院已经签发初步没收令；\n\n政府却主张：因量刑未完成，第三方程序无法推进；\n\n辩方指出：\n\n法律上这并不成立；\n\n若程序停滞，原因在政府自身是否发布公告，而非量刑是否延期。\n\n\n\n从纯法律正确性角度看，辩方这一论点是成立的、而且相当扎实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1ed9ad538ea4c7f21ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6858016e8a0289264dcb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":403,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:12:24.274Z","text":"✅ 那法院现在不上传853n，是不合理的啊😱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6858016e8a0289264dcb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q50bf22be7760a87adc05","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":404,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:14:24.573Z","text":"法院不上传853n动议，检方无法进行下面的没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50bf22be7760a87adc05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qeb75eca371cd4f0e24bd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":405,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-17T22:32:16.047Z","text":"🧭《ECF 776》四页核心概要（客观版）\n\n🎯 文件目的\n\n支持 辩方申请将 2026年1月20日的量刑再延后约三个月（第一次申请是 768，这次是第二次）。\n\n⸻\n\n🥊 1. 直接反击检方的指控\n\n检方在 773 指控：\n    •    辩方拖延\n    •    利用拖延伤害受害者\n    •    这是战略性拖延\n\n辩方在 776 明确回击这些说法是：\n\n“groundless and misapprehend the current posture”\n（毫无根据、完全误解现状） \n\n⸻\n\n📦 2. 四大理由要求延期（逻辑完整）\n\n辩方列了 4 个理由：\n\n✔ (1) 案件材料量“巨大”\n\n包括和量刑相关、但尚未取得的材料 \n\n✔ (2) 量刑问题“复杂”\n\n特别涉及受害者、资产、罚金等，都是审判期间未涉及的新问题 \n\n✔ (3) 被告必须能看中文\n\n律师需要时间翻译、讨论并收集反馈 \n\n✔ (4) 律师费用在 7 月停付\n\nCJA 付款在 7 月暂停、11 月才恢复 \n\n逻辑意图 = 我们不是拖延，是 有宪法义务保护被告的有效辩护权。\n\n⸻\n\n📚 3. 强调材料规模 — 64 TB！\n\n辩方告诉法庭：\n    •    全案 discovery 64TB 数据\n    •    非入证资料仍可能影响量刑\n    •    律师有义务熟悉内容\n\n引用原文：\n\n“approximately 64 terabytes of discovery” \n“we continue to identify material relevant to sentencing” \n\n律师用这个数字来表明：\n如果政府要求加速，是不现实的、不负责的、不合宪法的。\n\n⸻\n\n🚫 4. “我们不是重审审判”\n\n政府认为辩方想重打事实战，但 776 明确说：\n\n“We do not intend to relitigate issues previously determined at trial.” \n\n并强调：\n    •    审判关注罪与否\n    •    量刑关注影响与情节\n    •    即使非证据材料也可能影响量刑\n\n⸻\n\n🕵️ 5. 辩方说：我们还要拿“敏感材料”\n\n提到：\n    •    政府掌握的敏感资料\n    •    正在走 Rule 17(c) 传票\n    •    甚至涉及“classified materials”\n\n引用：\n\n“good faith basis to seek disclosure of classified material relevant to sentencing” \n\n并承诺：\n\n1月5日前会正式提出申请 \n\n这一段其实是 最“重炮”的句子。\n\n⸻\n\n🔥 6. 切割前任律师：我们不是同一团队\n\n辩方直接跟检方“断代”：\n\n“we do not have unfettered access to prior counsel, their materials, or their knowledge” \n\n并强调：\n    •    他们是 small firm\n    •    4个月没拿钱\n    •    没有前任律师的资源\n\n这是在塑造：\n\n我们不是前任 2–3 批律师的延续，不要推责任给我们。\n\n⸻\n\n🧨 7. 最大对冲：我们在协助“政府想做的事”\n\n辩方强调：\n    •    我们花大量时间在没收/返还问题上\n    •    目的是帮助“返还财产给受害者”\n\n原文：\n\n“with the goal of facilitating the process of returning seized assets to investors and customers” \n\n这是 从政治层面解除“拖延＝伤害受害者”的标签。\n\n⸻\n\n⏳ 8. 反驳政府“受害者 in limbo”说法\n\n政府说受害者被拖着、不能分配。\n辩方回应：\n没收程序本来要等量刑后才处理 \n\n也就是说：\n\n不是我们拖，是程序本就如此。\n\n⸻\n\n🎙️ 9. 语气特点\n    •    文笔非常 sharp\n    •    刻意质疑政府动机\n    •    切割前任律师\n    •    要求法庭承认现实规模和宪法义务\n\n这封信不是求情，是“对抗性策略”。\n\n⸻\n\n🧩 10. 你在 Discord 的那段总结，我来点评\n\n你说：\n\n她说她跟以前的律师断层，一切重来——正确\n她反驳检方拖延——正确\n她不反对庭审安排——正确\n\n你看得很准。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb75eca371cd4f0e24bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qbc008e76337069d6c37a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":406,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-17T22:32:35.241Z","text":"⸻\n\n🧭 结论：776 的真正法律效果\n\n这封信：\n\n是在给 Torres 立“被迫延期”的记录。\n\n理由包括：\n    •    宪法辩护义务\n    •    TB 级 discovery\n    •    语言障碍\n    •    前任律师资料断层\n    •    财政原因（没有付费）\n    •    classified / Rule 17(c)\n\n换句话说：\n\n即使法官拒绝，这封信仍给未来上诉留了弹药。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc008e76337069d6c37a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa6c837eb9631dfb20c33","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":407,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:42:16.005Z","text":"辩方好像混淆853n附带程序和remission了，但是现在似乎这两个程序都成了”受害者“ 返还程序了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55ba01f2a1d7540f5830","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6c837eb9631dfb20c33","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ba01f2a1d7540f5830","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q817d685d67fa48fea1ae","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":408,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:42:37.165Z","text":"这个其实不影响","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6c837eb9631dfb20c33","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q817d685d67fa48fea1ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6c837eb9631dfb20c33","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qbab8b698ab390eda3b70","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":409,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:42:59.778Z","text":"853n是法院处理的，remission才是检方控制的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q817d685d67fa48fea1ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbab8b698ab390eda3b70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q817d685d67fa48fea1ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qcb333a0ddfd05d0cf6af","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":410,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:43:16.501Z","text":"律师可能故意卖破绽？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbab8b698ab390eda3b70","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb333a0ddfd05d0cf6af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbab8b698ab390eda3b70","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q0928fd98692fe8096407","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":411,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:43:17.736Z","text":"remission必须在853n处理完之后才能开始","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0928fd98692fe8096407","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q088bbce32f276c503ff5","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":412,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:47:15.227Z","text":"现在的情况 律师还是不可能翻案 但律师可以佐证第三方的攻击","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q088bbce32f276c503ff5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc2c5f537110ab1194358","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":413,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:47:35.949Z","text":"这案子想翻案 只能第三方重炮出击 律师只能打辅助","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2c5f537110ab1194358","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe18cffe935721eae41ef","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":414,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:49:09.777Z","text":"这群只有你想翻案吧，加油吧，[删节：成员身份]😆 😆 😆","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe18cffe935721eae41ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa88d561e13ccb539fc6f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":415,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:49:22.244Z","text":"哈哈 我不想翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe18cffe935721eae41ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa88d561e13ccb539fc6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe18cffe935721eae41ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q203e4b6b845add7289b7","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":416,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:49:33.626Z","text":"我想名垂青史 创造记录","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe18cffe935721eae41ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q203e4b6b845add7289b7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe18cffe935721eae41ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qcf774b2ddce103f4a0bd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":417,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T22:49:50.408Z","text":"哦，对，你也不想翻案，😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf774b2ddce103f4a0bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9c38df505a8fe3a613f5","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":418,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:49:51.584Z","text":"如果量刑前能推翻 那我们就是天下第一","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c38df505a8fe3a613f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf8c0c4c5d097751d0ddb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":419,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:50:01.979Z","text":"翻案是附属品","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf774b2ddce103f4a0bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8c0c4c5d097751d0ddb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf774b2ddce103f4a0bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q053f67528a35599ba5bb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":420,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:50:11.185Z","text":"主要目的是要创造历史","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q053f67528a35599ba5bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qd237c208380b3271f6fe","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":421,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:50:34.482Z","text":"必须打败那个现在历史排名第一的第三方 gidon","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd237c208380b3271f6fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q85809fc8d641c14e5d18","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":422,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:51:19.541Z","text":"难度虽然不小 但是可能性不小","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85809fc8d641c14e5d18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qd2d7af4a474fd6d1ca22","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":423,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T22:52:57.631Z","text":"我们从下弦鬼 直接换位血战 要挑战上弦之一 黑死牟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2d7af4a474fd6d1ca22","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q52008b83ca235dfbb3d3","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":424,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-17T23:22:47.614Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]你就吹吧😁","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52008b83ca235dfbb3d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q628a7678223f09af8feb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":425,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-17T23:32:52.467Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]冲到最高法 我们就排前十","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q628a7678223f09af8feb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2f99d71a1f8e83d14b02","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":426,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-17T23:33:25.239Z","text":"不懂，什么下弦鬼，上孤之一，黑死牟，问了我的[删节：成员身份]：\n我来给你解释清楚，这段话完全不是在讲黑人或某位现实人物。\n“下弦鬼”“上弦之一”“黑死牟” 都来自 日本动漫《鬼灭之刃（Demon Slayer）》的世界观，是虚构角色体系。\n\n⸻\n\n✅【这些词是什么意思？】\n\n■ 下弦鬼\n\n是鬼王麾下实力较弱的一组「下弦」成员\n——代表排名靠后、较弱的反派。\n\n■ 上弦鬼\n\n是鬼王麾下最强的反派阵容，上弦成员战斗力顶级。\n\n■ 上弦之一\n\n上弦鬼的第一名，也就是最强的反派Boss级人物之一。\n\n■ 黑死牟（こくしぼう） Kokushibo\n\n这是动漫角色名字，身份是：\n    •    上弦之一\n    •    鬼中最高战力\n    •    人设偏冷酷 & 极强\n\n这个人物跟“黑人”没有任何关系，是日本武士形象，名字里“黑”只是角色名。\n\n所以完全不是指任何现实法官、种族、法院人物。\n\n⸻\n\n🔍 那他们这句话想表达什么？\n\n结合聊天内容，他是在开玩笑式地说：\n\n“我们不要从弱的开始挑战，要直接挑战最强的Boss（上弦之一、黑死牟）。”\n\n也就是一种 “跳级挑战最难的对手 / 直接冲最强目标” 的二次元说法。\n这种语气一般是调侃、自我激励、吹牛式讲话。\n\n⸻\n\n❌ 跟托雷斯法官没有关系\n    •    黑死牟不是黑人\n    •    不是女性\n    •    不是法官暗指\n    •    也不是现实中的象征对象\n\n所以你不需要往现实人物套用，这只是二次元语言。","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd2d7af4a474fd6d1ca22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f99d71a1f8e83d14b02","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2d7af4a474fd6d1ca22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe65b97d7a30274d3bb9d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":427,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-17T23:35:38.018Z","text":"冲个鬼呀。\n连一个自诉都没有被上传。\n郁闷。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q628a7678223f09af8feb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe65b97d7a30274d3bb9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q628a7678223f09af8feb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe2a246619f1a4c150e3c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":428,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-17T23:41:41.248Z","text":"什么上弦啦下弦什么的，初看还以为你是在讲我不懂的乐器，后来以为你在挑战托雷斯法官，细查才知道你在引用动漫里的人物。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2d7af4a474fd6d1ca22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2a246619f1a4c150e3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2d7af4a474fd6d1ca22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q10de2d06a87ab26cef01","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":429,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T00:21:52.696Z","text":"你们看看778是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10de2d06a87ab26cef01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q0c93e6052856411b9107","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":430,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T00:22:34.048Z","text":"好像都是曾伟称的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c93e6052856411b9107","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qae28506a0ecff7b3f114","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":431,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T00:31:51.258Z","text":"曾为成（third 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付款暂缓，但这些理由缺乏具体事实支持。\n\n被告未解释为何现任辩护团队需要比此前团队更多时间来准备量刑；\n\n被告曾申请 Rule 17(c) 传票，按法律标准，这意味着其团队已审查过证据，确认所求材料并非已在手中；\n\n被告并未否认其英语能力，也未说明无法使用翻译软件或译员。\n因此，政府认为不存在再次延期（第 5 次）的正当基础。\n\n\n\n---\n\n二、关于没收（forfeiture）问题，被告立场前后矛盾\n\n政府指出，被告一方面声称自己对具体财产没收“未持立场”，另一方面却在延期申请中表示要挑战没收金钱判决。\n\n这表明被告可能试图在量刑后重新挑战初步没收令；\n\n若量刑继续拖延，将导致最终没收命令长期处于不确定状态。\n政府因此认为，以没收程序仍可推进为由来支持延期并不成立。\n\n\n\n---\n\n三、政府指控被告长期实施“拖延策略”\n\n政府列举被告的行为模式，包括：\n\n在量刑前后更换并终止多支律师团队；\n\n将新任指定律师用于处理破产事务而非刑案量刑准备；\n\n多次申请延期；\n\n试图重新争议 CIPA（涉密信息）裁定。\n政府认为，这些行为表明被告系统性地拖延司法进程，并利用量刑迟延继续误导受害人。\n\n\n\n---\n\n四、被告自愿更换律师，不得以此作为再次延期理由\n\n政府强调：\n\n法院此前已明确告知被告，更换不熟悉案件的律师将使其处于不利地位；\n\n被告明知后果仍主动更换律师；\n\n现任律师团队已受任超过 8 个月，政府不认为这段时间不足以准备量刑。\n因此，被告不能以自身战略选择为由要求再延 3 个月。\n\n\n\n---\n\n五、实际行为显示辩方有能力准备量刑\n\n政府指出，尽管辩方抱怨付款和后勤问题，但其已能：\n\n撰写多份延期申请和回函；\n\n提交 Rule 17(c) 的 ex parte 动议；\n\n计划再次提出 CIPA 相关动议。\n这表明辩方具备充分能力完成量刑准备并进行法庭陈述。政府引用受害者用语，称再次延期“极其不体面”，应予以否决。\n\n\n\n---\n\n结论\n\n政府请求法院：\n\n> 驳回被告的第五次量刑延期请求，以防止进一步损害受害人利益并推进案件的及时解决。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f278dbb89e06604d398","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe4e2f1e33a4f949ab56d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":474,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T01:08:22.256Z","text":"778是什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4e2f1e33a4f949ab56d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q558ce4eb4b74027af8f4","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":475,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T01:12:13.280Z","text":"检方的779不提事实，只扣帽子。辩方都说了，第三方的赔偿需要先开启民事附属程序解决纠纷，量刑前就可以开启。然后检方不回应问题。说要量刑后才能最终没收。你检方就是要跳过程序来给被告量刑。完全把无赖本色展现在法庭文件里。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558ce4eb4b74027af8f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q728f0225bd22c8e69378","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":476,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T01:15:06.518Z","text":"被告自己换律师，就可以构成不给律师辩护准备的合理时间的理由。这个观点也很“新颖”。意思你被之前的律师坑了是你应得的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q728f0225bd22c8e69378","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q66b84a5a7cae6e3fd68f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":477,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T01:18:46.479Z","text":"托雷斯没有批准774，然后辩方就直接发了。检方这次也不拖，马上回复。感觉越来越精彩了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66b84a5a7cae6e3fd68f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2280380bd1afba4d8feb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":478,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T01:42:14.762Z","text":"托雷斯就是隐形人了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66b84a5a7cae6e3fd68f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2280380bd1afba4d8feb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66b84a5a7cae6e3fd68f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe34de8d733d581e3d078","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":479,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T01:43:14.307Z","text":"大家在法庭上打来打去，后面才发现，量刑听证会都不开了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2280380bd1afba4d8feb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34de8d733d581e3d078","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2280380bd1afba4d8feb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q045aeb31ff502a647fb9","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":480,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T01:46:11.967Z","text":"快去学[删节：成员身份]，你就回本了！","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7aa78d8973b9f82c8f76","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q045aeb31ff502a647fb9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6a9c2c593a8db301f0f2","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":481,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T01:47:35.515Z","text":"其实我是支持检方的，赶快量刑也没什么不好","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe34de8d733d581e3d078","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a9c2c593a8db301f0f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34de8d733d581e3d078","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q06873bee82d81ba83d10","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":482,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T01:48:15.772Z","text":"778是[删节：隐私信息]的律师出庭通知","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe4e2f1e33a4f949ab56d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06873bee82d81ba83d10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4e2f1e33a4f949ab56d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q99288c471a58ed829e41","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":483,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T01:49:35.660Z","text":"创造历史也可以找律师，但是需要很多钱，因为律师要了解整个案情，还要发很多动议。最后你的名气，还要和律师平分。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe06a1f981b3cd2e8d405","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99288c471a58ed829e41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe06a1f981b3cd2e8d405","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q710d81d8ac3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被告对于G系列即使有宣传， 也是指其景愿，没有政府查封，所有说的，都会是事实。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q976d6e7b038166aa4679","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd470ddcf891c12e89d32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qfc4eaf0bfd4a0f0a44d1","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":491,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-18T02:31:32.926Z","text":"曾的背景不简单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc4eaf0bfd4a0f0a44d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q0d6d97fd0ed3708651da","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":492,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-18T02:32:32.683Z","text":"为什么大多数投资人都不认为自己是郭的受害者？而是政府查封的受害者？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6d97fd0ed3708651da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q062c7527adbdc25215e3","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":493,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:32:38.097Z","text":"这种事儿吧，很难说清楚，投资亏损，就可以说自己被骗。那在股票市场亏损的人多了去了，都是因为听了CEO画大饼呗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd470ddcf891c12e89d32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q062c7527adbdc25215e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd470ddcf891c12e89d32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9b1c025fd1ed24fc494e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":494,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T02:32:48.373Z","text":"这个地方，是这个曾在虚假陈述，被告说过hdo是跟喜美元完全1：1，从来没有说过hcn由美元或者等值现金支撑。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q000384ff4f9e5a2843fb","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b1c025fd1ed24fc494e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4473f8aae1c1e9e92af2","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":495,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-18T02:33:41.883Z","text":"这个谁能反击？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9b1c025fd1ed24fc494e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4473f8aae1c1e9e92af2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b1c025fd1ed24fc494e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q3af9aa0808f05066e896","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":496,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T02:33:49.260Z","text":"被告。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4473f8aae1c1e9e92af2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3af9aa0808f05066e896","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4473f8aae1c1e9e92af2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q325764e7900b1af7fc17","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":497,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:34:25.153Z","text":"郭说过，投资前去看白皮书，以洗脚所白皮书里写的为准，而不是郭说的为准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4473f8aae1c1e9e92af2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q325764e7900b1af7fc17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4473f8aae1c1e9e92af2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q9cd15bc564c7ec51548a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":498,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T02:34:51.633Z","text":"偷换概念还得是你们啊 和股票市场是一个概念吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cd15bc564c7ec51548a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q5d7c896a3b308b2521cb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":499,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:34:54.850Z","text":"投资人不看白皮书","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d7c896a3b308b2521cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc7288055049e769fe50f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":500,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T02:35:05.686Z","text":"大A关门了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7288055049e769fe50f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa5ac021471c5a3132901","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":501,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T02:35:15.275Z","text":"喜交易所白皮书虚假陈述，不代表被告虚假陈述。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5ac021471c5a3132901","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6fe0579da751af004a73","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":502,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:35:58.708Z","text":"投资人投的是每个公司的股票，又不是交易所。那你买特斯拉股票亏损，还去告马斯克？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7288055049e769fe50f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fe0579da751af004a73","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7288055049e769fe50f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q90aa351bb39d6818f95d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":503,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:36:11.678Z","text":"更何况郭根本不是CEO","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90aa351bb39d6818f95d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q42abc0b106deb5592327","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":504,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:36:25.307Z","text":"他就是个顾问加代言人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42abc0b106deb5592327","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7e5ddac5e2623aa91d67","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":505,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:36:39.260Z","text":"他又不懂金融，他让你投资前看白皮书","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e5ddac5e2623aa91d67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4f4c15d729b89eba610d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":506,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-18T02:37:15.160Z","text":"这个要从法律层面反驳","edited":false,"reply_to":"q90aa351bb39d6818f95d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f4c15d729b89eba610d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90aa351bb39d6818f95d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa83885dcbd954bc06723","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":507,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:37:35.831Z","text":"余建民是洗脚所CEO","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f4c15d729b89eba610d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa83885dcbd954bc06723","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f4c15d729b89eba610d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q40a7c57d30e07af26008","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":508,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-18T02:37:50.536Z","text":"代言人都有可能被法律诉讼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40a7c57d30e07af26008","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc0f0d8225a3eb773a2b8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":509,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:38:06.223Z","text":"你觉得自己被骗，可以学习[删节：隐私信息]，去回本！","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd80be128c56dc3357502","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f0d8225a3eb773a2b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q16fe3b76a925e32e105e","batch_id":"ba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可能投资前没人去看","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89992774919ea8130695","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qac680ff485e374ae14fd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":512,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:42:23.888Z","text":"联盟农场把郭吹得神乎其神，就是让大家对他有不切实际的期望，然后等泡沫碎了，失望的民众就要把郭置于死地","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac680ff485e374ae14fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q43ff8c7e3d08a5662186","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":513,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:42:39.226Z","text":"但是郭自己可从来没说他很厉害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43ff8c7e3d08a5662186","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qbfc4c33584b2670198e2","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":514,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:42:58.530Z","text":"郭让你投资前，多研究，有人听吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfc4c33584b2670198e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2c7b95fd8a72cc8a289f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":515,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-18T02:43:38.721Z","text":"如果共匪卖美贼没查封g系列，g系列不可能损失钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c7b95fd8a72cc8a289f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc578a32e60c15fd26b94","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":516,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:44:56.203Z","text":"但是代言人都有免责声明，不然没人敢代言任何产品","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40a7c57d30e07af26008","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc578a32e60c15fd26b94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40a7c57d30e07af26008","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe76e5b08d8c090380d4f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":517,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:45:13.703Z","text":"更何况郭是免费代言","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe76e5b08d8c090380d4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q97a999e63f19254932a2","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":518,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T02:47:54.203Z","text":"那个曾说被骗，我假定他是被白皮书骗。如果那个[删节：成员身份]所言属实，就应该有不当陈述，就是入金喜交易所的人要用HDO换回自己的美元,喜交易所有权拒绝。实际上我也倾向于相信洗建议所那帮人一定在白皮书上还有其它不合法内容。","edited":true,"reply_to":"q16fe3b76a925e32e105e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97a999e63f19254932a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16fe3b76a925e32e105e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe2d70afd3516ee57f1ca","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":519,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:48:42.745Z","text":"白皮书好像写的是喜币是一种积分","edited":false,"reply_to":"q97a999e63f19254932a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2d70afd3516ee57f1ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97a999e63f19254932a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q086f9648ac9b9577d678","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":520,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:48:56.473Z","text":"我不太清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q086f9648ac9b9577d678","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7658e0793c3f5959a5d8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":521,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:49:20.818Z","text":"但是，和人们想得好像不太一样，你们可以自己去研究一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7658e0793c3f5959a5d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q398432173768dd9735f6","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":522,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:50:54.442Z","text":"老江之前还说什么郭石油股票赚300亿，搞的好像郭很懂金融一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q398432173768dd9735f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","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剿匪还是致富","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2751e67a0875b87b9110","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf363b0443e3dc5178e8b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":527,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:59:20.601Z","text":"照你这么说，硅谷大部分创业公司都是诱骗投资","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd80be128c56dc3357502","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf363b0443e3dc5178e8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf50540c957920c56bb02","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":528,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T02:59:50.226Z","text":"硅谷创业公司哪个不是一开始画大饼，最后倒闭的一堆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf50540c957920c56bb02","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qfefbdcfe077b8f93cff4","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":529,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T03:00:22.792Z","text":"郭这些公司被查封前还没倒闭呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfefbdcfe077b8f93cff4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q1c56db9d6ca3096fb56f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":530,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T03:00:29.261Z","text":"还都在运营呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c56db9d6ca3096fb56f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc9320ef7dc13f04e252a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":531,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T03:00:38.205Z","text":"再说公司也不是他的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9320ef7dc13f04e252a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q54d970524c2ebd0672f3","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":532,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T03:00:44.554Z","text":"他一分钱没拿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54d970524c2ebd0672f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qab45258ecf3c9e884e4a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":533,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T03:01:49.645Z","text":"你这话说的 路大脑袋弄的币你会投吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab45258ecf3c9e884e4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q647f2056e1b0293a5dcd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":534,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T03:02:29.928Z","text":"谁搞币我也不会投","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab45258ecf3c9e884e4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q647f2056e1b0293a5dcd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab45258ecf3c9e884e4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q8a39c76ae72ce9f548da","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":535,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T03:09:47.696Z","text":"好了 不扯了 自己的选择自己承受","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a39c76ae72ce9f548da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q99bc30fd1fde16e2eb34","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":536,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T03:10:29.669Z","text":"这个曾什么的，应该是二级市场买的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99bc30fd1fde16e2eb34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q716660e209db944f8791","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":537,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T03:10:48.626Z","text":"不然不可能花48万美元","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716660e209db944f8791","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe9836f57ea8947e1229a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":538,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T03:13:16.567Z","text":"48万都是喜国元老了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9836f57ea8947e1229a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q29117f247289c90b9ded","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":539,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T03:26:18.384Z","text":"48万美金按郭的说以后都是沼泽地","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29117f247289c90b9ded","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q5d300e09025377303729","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":540,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T03:39:45.131Z","text":"就是买湾流和买水一样的那种","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d300e09025377303729","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q80b78f39701bbecce331","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":541,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T03:59:42.704Z","text":"这个曾，觉得被骗了就到检方那里去登记，然后在法庭来催大家不要拖，快点推进程序好分钱。结果跑到法庭来说要把他的那份排除出没收。不知道是在演哪出？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80b78f39701bbecce331","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q774325efb24208dae896","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":542,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T04:00:55.412Z","text":"登记受害人，不一定能拿回全额，853n如果赢了，可以拿回全额","edited":false,"reply_to":"q80b78f39701bbecce331","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q774325efb24208dae896","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80b78f39701bbecce331","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q299cf70cf76b47befef9","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":543,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T04:02:00.189Z","text":"但是他请了律师，估计律师费也挺多的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q299cf70cf76b47befef9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q2d9002b5e96c7962eb86","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":544,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T04:02:18.624Z","text":"但是如果他不请律师，可能连上传都不给他上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d9002b5e96c7962eb86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qfed0c6d6a6d7e628bc4f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":545,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T04:02:58.289Z","text":"那你承认被骗了就只能走受害人吧？你以853进来，连进入程序的资格都没有了，可介入时间已经过了，我们的延长请求根本没被入卷更没被批准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q774325efb24208dae896","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed0c6d6a6d7e628bc4f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q774325efb24208dae896","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa8cd1b771e5032921b7d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":546,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T04:03:17.627Z","text":"被骗好像也可以853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfed0c6d6a6d7e628bc4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8cd1b771e5032921b7d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed0c6d6a6d7e628bc4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discu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［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7962b6f039a93fb479b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q58cdb8c5c5bd302cfefb","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":560,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T04:48:57.161Z","text":"你跟着喜国也是有钱人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc7e438811b072d0fac13","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58cdb8c5c5bd302cfefb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7e438811b072d0fac13","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q0385fbb0e6c8bfb7ae50","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":561,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-18T04:53:22.384Z","text":"做啥决定","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7962b6f039a93fb479b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0385fbb0e6c8bfb7ae50","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7962b6f039a93fb479b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q4a86a80e7c1f11fe1fc8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":562,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T04:58:30.959Z","text":"检方不是又回复了嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0385fbb0e6c8bfb7ae50","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a86a80e7c1f11fe1fc8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0385fbb0e6c8bfb7ae50","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q696eb830f0819e6ae0c8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":563,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-12-18T05:12:45.774Z","text":"看得出郭律师真的没有在认真工作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q696eb830f0819e6ae0c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q34fea1a19d465e03c3c9","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":564,"speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-12-18T05:14:57.135Z","text":"776里，郭律师说，我们查了政府网站，政府没有发没收公告。其实是发了，60天公告期满以后撤下了。在法庭文件里说他们没查到公告，所以政府没发，这挺丢脸的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34fea1a19d465e03c3c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qedaeb7ab9ef5b6500d8e","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":565,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T05:20:18.816Z","text":"这律师是故意瞎扯淡吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34fea1a19d465e03c3c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedaeb7ab9ef5b6500d8e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34fea1a19d465e03c3c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q08bea207ab1b55d05354","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":566,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T05:22:01.689Z","text":"检方779回复了啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08bea207ab1b55d05354","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q55803fb7b787017846b4","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":567,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T05:32:14.481Z","text":"成名言了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe65251eed487fef0f9ee","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55803fb7b787017846b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa0aea117eb7e230432f1","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":568,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-18T06:05:08.201Z","text":"我觉得不是故意，是压根没好好研究案情，也没认真关注，别指望律师有什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedaeb7ab9ef5b6500d8e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0aea117eb7e230432f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedaeb7ab9ef5b6500d8e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc96de85d2bd6c0fbd194","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":569,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-18T06:36:33.575Z","text":"推进没收是法院的责任吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0495ffd389a46d5c9c6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc96de85d2bd6c0fbd194","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0495ffd389a46d5c9c6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7bb5fecea520c4ed57ff","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":570,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-18T06:38:35.661Z","text":"有律师就不算第三方了？记不清托雷斯咋说的了，是只有无律师代理的才有60天的限制吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3351b724e227d27c160e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bb5fecea520c4ed57ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3351b724e227d27c160e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qf137d0b699c629a8fdae","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":571,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-18T06:39:27.801Z","text":"是不是那个狂推诈骗币的坏种","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb54583cd88e8350f19f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf137d0b699c629a8fdae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb54583cd88e8350f19f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qbb382164bc5edcccda84","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":572,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T06:46:08.001Z","text":"今天又赢麻了 喜国的信徒无处不赢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb382164bc5edcccda84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe17dfa23bf5468dd116a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":573,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T06:46:59.594Z","text":"当年屯粮是喜国人一生的耻辱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe17dfa23bf5468dd116a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6ae5af4bd22d7ff026dd","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":574,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T06:49:47.015Z","text":"有争议，法院就应该开听证然后裁定。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc96de85d2bd6c0fbd194","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ae5af4bd22d7ff026dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc96de85d2bd6c0fbd194","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q8ba2d94c7dbc600fd758","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":575,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-18T06:51:30.834Z","text":"700出来之前辩方检方有这么快节奏的对峙吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66b84a5a7cae6e3fd68f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ba2d94c7dbc600fd758","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66b84a5a7cae6e3fd68f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6fb3c664dc3fdc4d1b10","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":576,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-18T06:53:47.613Z","text":"没具体看之前那些文件的日期。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ba2d94c7dbc600fd758","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fb3c664dc3fdc4d1b10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ba2d94c7dbc600fd758","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q70edd1fe8e967aac772d","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":577,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T06:55:50.233Z","text":"这次是最后一次了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ba2d94c7dbc600fd758","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70edd1fe8e967aac772d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ba2d94c7dbc600fd758","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q6273834b71f74386fb0c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":578,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T06:56:04.217Z","text":"这次再不量刑 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这赢的角度很刁钻","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e39f25d8c73206bd3e4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6da7272481a43dd71128","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e39f25d8c73206bd3e4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q68c762eeaeaead4f6d96","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":584,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:13:17.583Z","text":"这是事实","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6da7272481a43dd71128","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68c762eeaeaead4f6d96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6da7272481a43dd71128","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q92a2e313347121051cb6","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":585,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-18T07:13:39.337Z","text":"不过有一说一 喜国总统说卖房是说中了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92a2e313347121051cb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q7d39c77cee47d21bd4db","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":586,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:14:50.958Z","text":"同样是局","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ff6ace644a5c6273874","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d39c77cee47d21bd4db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qa9128e978a54776e8cc8","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":587,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:15:07.841Z","text":"没有一个人能理解郭文贵在干什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9128e978a54776e8cc8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q20a2b8e7b9aebbc73037","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":588,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:15:17.299Z","text":"这个群里只有三个人理解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20a2b8e7b9aebbc73037","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q16ff8c6257332a29be6b","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":589,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:15:29.863Z","text":"我 螺丝哥 还有一个神秘人物","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16ff8c6257332a29be6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q03ffa94353aa5474f062","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":590,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-18T07:23:05.733Z","text":"我觉得郭文贵为喜币作备书有两个原因，一方面喜币真的很干净；另一方面他想让大家都介入和参与，某种意义上成了受害者，这样才会关注他的案子，而他自己没拿一分钱。他也一直告诫大家，在有闲钱的时候才买喜币，首先要保证基本的生活开支。\n如果我在这方面没有投资，我也许不会这么关注郭是不是会出来。\n瑞恩，我说对了吗？\n[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5ff6ace644a5c6273874","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03ffa94353aa5474f062","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qb79760b54df6588be99f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":591,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:25:41.995Z","text":"这是表面的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03ffa94353aa5474f062","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb79760b54df6588be99f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03ffa94353aa5474f062","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q22f4606ad6773bb15d38","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":592,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:42:14.500Z","text":"我同意机器人的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22f4606ad6773bb15d38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qda1d25d19238b07cf39f","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":593,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T07:42:22.047Z","text":"托雷斯要开始摆烂了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda1d25d19238b07cf39f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qc1595611472cce680fa5","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":594,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-18T08:03:02.192Z","text":"这么说二巡、高法拿她也没辙？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1595611472cce680fa5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q41dfd23964275b4f998c","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":595,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-18T08:03:36.047Z","text":"越来越感觉美国司法体系就特么是个花架子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41dfd23964275b4f998c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qe3e069e2957709e544cf","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":596,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-18T08:06:32.059Z","text":"拖时间摆烂那不就是按原来的明年一月量刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3e069e2957709e544cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qcf98502470101fc56560","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":597,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T08:08:44.363Z","text":"必须得第三方继续出重拳才行","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc1595611472cce680fa5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf98502470101fc56560","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1595611472cce680fa5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qbc6e68e20d4a21e47cf2","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":598,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-18T08:10:11.574Z","text":"要是这么拖下去，什么时候是个头","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc6e68e20d4a21e47cf2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"qaccaa0738781b070c881","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":599,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T08:15:34.821Z","text":"现在战场只能由第三方控制","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaccaa0738781b070c881","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064"},{"id":"q5f111219b2c52579730a","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":600,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-18T08:16:00.227Z","text":"现在第三方打的东西 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