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被明显“消音化”，你如何不写新动议也能继续向上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd655dc4b9fb543fa5315","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q2dc9968f17972fd1280e","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":408,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-23T01:50:06.546Z","text":"心想：“我靠，我刚搜肠刮肚想出来的说辞不到3秒就被专业打脸，我…啊….”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dc9968f17972fd1280e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q2adbc166fefd4fe75f1e","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":409,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-23T01:50:55.607Z","text":"现在托雷斯和[删节：成员身份]为难了，每次一伸头就挨打脸","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2adbc166fefd4fe75f1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q86ba0fc10d84e779ce85","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":410,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-23T01:52:08.780Z","text":"你看看，搞的一帮没有受过法律专业训练的普通人天天给受过专业培训的“专业人士”进行普法教育，哎…","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86ba0fc10d84e779ce85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q1f758b1c3792621e7a1b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":411,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T01:52:11.105Z","text":"我觉得观察者是托雷斯书记员","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2adbc166fefd4fe75f1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f758b1c3792621e7a1b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2adbc166fefd4fe75f1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q574910221afaf2c2445a","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":412,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T01:52:22.953Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q574910221afaf2c2445a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf47c2e03b86badf043a1","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":413,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-23T01:53:35.711Z","text":"味蕾有没有一个被抓进去 法院哪个认怂了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf47c2e03b86badf043a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qd3bc39353883f8a942bb","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":414,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T02:00:29.255Z","text":"接下来有一个有趣的观察点：灭共演员们对782的反应。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3bc39353883f8a942bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q73fe4ffefa480f9bc507","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":415,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:04:42.743Z","text":"动议是不是上传还是书记处的问题，不是special 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她在为“未来可能被二巡/高院问责”提前留台阶","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46a9341057e9f56a31d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q2f933cd54e4f8c1d7d42","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":422,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-23T02:12:31.263Z","text":"他们搞的专业是垄断话语形成利益共同体谋私","edited":false,"reply_to":"q86ba0fc10d84e779ce85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f933cd54e4f8c1d7d42","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86ba0fc10d84e779ce85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q900f79f6f70166877d4a","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":423,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:13:10.646Z","text":"是二巡说有很多853n和CVRA需要处理，然后南区就要找一个special 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master有什么关系？检方和法官觉得二巡强制令只是让他们赶快解决赔偿问题吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bcc76dee5dc40345b80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q97dc90cb8fede14d90de","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":425,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:14:25.828Z","text":"二巡强制令是让他们赶快上传动议吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97dc90cb8fede14d90de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf3b66eb89248b5945fd0","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":426,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:14:38.091Z","text":"不是让他们赶快把钱分了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3b66eb89248b5945fd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q91f3e4a6c132de2ac35d","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":427,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:18:29.096Z","text":"现在法官和检方把二巡强制令解读成，赶快分钱, 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master最后到底干什么的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfafc8f0e73b636f2868a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q74a5cae87eab44019ef4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":429,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T02:33:14.766Z","text":"那个782是说要让这个特别专员来处理分钱的问题，还在继续忽视我们提出的问题。之前是根本当我们不存在，现在是当我们提出的问题不存在。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74a5cae87eab44019ef4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf70f35cb60206593e657","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":430,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T02:33:47.174Z","text":"这个总结好","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74a5cae87eab44019ef4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf70f35cb60206593e657","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74a5cae87eab44019ef4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q9538789a4a309de269c9","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":431,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:35:32.079Z","text":"在司法欺诈等问题没有解决之前，谁乱分钱，谁背锅","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74a5cae87eab44019ef4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9538789a4a309de269c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74a5cae87eab44019ef4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q832389721ede49475fa3","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":432,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-23T02:38:41.417Z","text":"土匪为什么不害怕","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q832389721ede49475fa3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q81f3395cabe154161815","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":433,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T02:38:43.550Z","text":"接下来这个特别专员，可能是南区这边的曼宁，非法放任资产被挥霍甚至被虚假债权瓜分。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81f3395cabe154161815","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qfffce6897aadfe528642","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":434,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:40:03.808Z","text":"土匪已经成功把锅甩给美国司法系统了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q832389721ede49475fa3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfffce6897aadfe528642","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q832389721ede49475fa3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q243cfbd9dc8dea6b3f9f","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":435,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:40:20.556Z","text":"现在就看谁是最终背锅侠了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q243cfbd9dc8dea6b3f9f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qe4e4a06bf6538a336297","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":436,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T02:53:54.344Z","text":"我是说南区这边的特别专员，ta会干曼宁一样的事情，让涉案财产供luc挥霍，甚至让虚假债权瓜分本案财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf01d29b1a64e01ef6427","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4e4a06bf6538a336297","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q8e2e7bbe83d64f34604a","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":437,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T02:55:13.614Z","text":"谁最有可能被任命为特别法官（Special 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rule on …（无裁决权）”\n这些语句决定了角色边界。\n3️⃣ 汇报对象\n是否仅向 Torres 法官汇报；\n是否拥有传票权或调查权（通常没有，除非明确授予）。\n五、一句话总结\n特别法官最可能是一名中立的私人律师或退休法官，其职责仅限于管理和筛选第三方没收主张，而非调查失当行为或裁决欺诈指控。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e2e7bbe83d64f34604a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q28d37dee8deab9a1c6e6","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":438,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T02:57:44.030Z","text":"我是说它们是在这么推进，至于能否干成，那要看各方的角逐。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q17a0faeb37d5a3a6e694","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28d37dee8deab9a1c6e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q09835cf5f93d54de141f","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":439,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:04:19.716Z","text":"灭共演员估计会说，太好了，法庭延期了，法庭要设立特别法官分钱了，法庭太公正了，我们要赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd3bc39353883f8a942bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09835cf5f93d54de141f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3bc39353883f8a942bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q8bf003a29fd4c9806e41","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":440,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:05:22.470Z","text":"然后再踩自诉人几脚，说，你看，虽然有这些砸锅的自诉人，但是法庭还是延期量刑了，法官太公正了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bf003a29fd4c9806e41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q1f2df3529e4c0c9c352c","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":441,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-23T03:09:11.770Z","text":"总是延期也不是办法。老郭赢得了时间，但是 离撤案还有多远？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f2df3529e4c0c9c352c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q7504d858de214d5e9f7e","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":442,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:09:50.566Z","text":"反正我觉得，延期量刑对郭没什么好处","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f2df3529e4c0c9c352c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7504d858de214d5e9f7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f2df3529e4c0c9c352c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q3eba0284d972c1129b26","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":443,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-23T03:10:33.781Z","text":"如果郭先生要求延期 那他肯定有他的考量","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eba0284d972c1129b26","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q49d67546e507f466ce91","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":444,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:11:17.945Z","text":"以现在的所有证据事实来看，没必要延期，除非郭律师真的没钱干活了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49d67546e507f466ce91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q6b083f85b86a514b012b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":445,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:11:30.494Z","text":"需要时间写文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b083f85b86a514b012b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q11970a5e1118f58c0f87","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":446,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:11:52.554Z","text":"现在这些证据事实，只要律师干活，根本不需要延期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11970a5e1118f58c0f87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q6b59678bf2c0625ce5b4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":447,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T03:12:13.136Z","text":"不可能撤案 只能我们去打1651","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f2df3529e4c0c9c352c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b59678bf2c0625ce5b4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f2df3529e4c0c9c352c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qfa284ffb534d718b6949","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":448,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:12:34.126Z","text":"延期，对上诉也没有任何好处","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa284ffb534d718b6949","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qc47d550b6e8f6d15ca58","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":449,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T03:14:17.160Z","text":"延期在这个案子对郭有好处","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfa284ffb534d718b6949","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc47d550b6e8f6d15ca58","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa284ffb534d718b6949","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qaffef516542debb60e58","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":450,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T03:14:28.552Z","text":"别忘了还有深水炸弹","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaffef516542debb60e58","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q73033438352820206663","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":451,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:14:49.814Z","text":"那就不知道了，普通人只能猜","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc47d550b6e8f6d15ca58","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73033438352820206663","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc47d550b6e8f6d15ca58","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qc35713e189a11d8fb547","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":452,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:15:02.689Z","text":"我觉得，就从法律角度看，没有好处","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc35713e189a11d8fb547","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qdc303d47ed4ebb76f79b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":453,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:15:11.285Z","text":"当然，也许有什么其他原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc303d47ed4ebb76f79b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q8e9ca1429a4095139aee","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":454,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T03:16:36.089Z","text":"现在四月份量刑前推翻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e9ca1429a4095139aee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qefa0f526321e2c7ea334","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":455,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T03:16:42.721Z","text":"概率很大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefa0f526321e2c7ea334","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q20d1896d50f28e693674","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":456,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T03:17:22.590Z","text":"请问你们注册pacer时是选的Non-attorney 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律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20d1896d50f28e693674","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd58e28a34a209e620238","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20d1896d50f28e693674","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q4d70d9b208d086ecb74b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":458,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T03:18:43.373Z","text":"机器人说托雷斯今天的order完全是我的1651和法官回避导致的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d70d9b208d086ecb74b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q6c4138c53c8be207caeb","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":459,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T03:22:33.676Z","text":"估计是他在MDC待的太舒服了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3eba0284d972c1129b26","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c4138c53c8be207caeb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eba0284d972c1129b26","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf576623e573ef2deeda0","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":460,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-23T03:54:26.475Z","text":"这个说法太荒唐了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c4138c53c8be207caeb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf576623e573ef2deeda0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c4138c53c8be207caeb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qcf91e2840b8e46603ddc","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":461,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:00:15.311Z","text":"对啊，那他还能有什么考量呢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf576623e573ef2deeda0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf91e2840b8e46603ddc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf576623e573ef2deeda0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q703d82061ff3f4543d32","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":462,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:02:44.287Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你不是说法官不会延期吗？因为自诉人捣乱？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703d82061ff3f4543d32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q91d42ccec82c232e1463","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":463,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:03:27.266Z","text":"谁说的，因为你们攻击法官","edited":false,"reply_to":"q703d82061ff3f4543d32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d42ccec82c232e1463","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q703d82061ff3f4543d32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q6841a1fc33fa9f79dd0b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":464,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:03:36.348Z","text":"还有你们的1651","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6841a1fc33fa9f79dd0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q5d627e30f5da556859b4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":465,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:03:46.624Z","text":"那法官怎么延期了呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d42ccec82c232e1463","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d627e30f5da556859b4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d42ccec82c232e1463","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q9681b40a75016ae90c57","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":466,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:04:28.593Z","text":"法官为了避免你们的攻击，还有检方的借口，引入第3方法官","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9681b40a75016ae90c57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qba9e8cd0fb73a4d2fa2a","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":467,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:04:42.025Z","text":"你不是说检方利用自诉人反对辩方延期，自诉人在给郭捅刀子吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba9e8cd0fb73a4d2fa2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q29d8c02d81bfccd56d49","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":468,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:05:02.576Z","text":"是啊。你们确实是捅刀子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29d8c02d81bfccd56d49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qa40d9cb1a720c8bd42f2","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":469,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:05:18.577Z","text":"还把自己给捅了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa40d9cb1a720c8bd42f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qc591bdcde30144a6aac8","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":470,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:05:23.017Z","text":"看来自诉人刀子没捅成功啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc591bdcde30144a6aac8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q9639391aab1b21d68db7","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":471,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:05:58.314Z","text":"引入第三法官，到底是好还是不好啊，你分析一下？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9681b40a75016ae90c57","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9639391aab1b21d68db7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9681b40a75016ae90c57","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qee697f5f75b5088c4b94","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":472,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:06:03.669Z","text":"你们不是善意的第三方，没有资格分钱了，有的还要花钱坐牢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee697f5f75b5088c4b94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q841f93b2e688b69c541d","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":473,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-23T04:06:21.650Z","text":"希望未来几个月 郭律师重拳出击","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf91e2840b8e46603ddc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q841f93b2e688b69c541d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf91e2840b8e46603ddc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qa6e551649109d8a83944","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":474,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:07:01.195Z","text":"什么叫做善意的第三方？同意检方的就是善意的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee697f5f75b5088c4b94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6e551649109d8a83944","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee697f5f75b5088c4b94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q371d2b5c906012f63bf3","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":475,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:07:10.258Z","text":"质疑检方的就不是善意的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q371d2b5c906012f63bf3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q8772cf0ed70e8185bb26","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":476,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:07:11.669Z","text":"当然是好事，原本分析郭先生的声明会先发出来，这个Special Master，是后面的杀招，没有想到Special Master先出","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9639391aab1b21d68db7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8772cf0ed70e8185bb26","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9639391aab1b21d68db7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q4085a5d0944c3c5532f3","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":477,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:08:01.664Z","text":"搞笑，你们不是天天研究美国法律吗？现在连钱都没有资格分了，瑞恩你还是准备好钱去坐牢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q371d2b5c906012f63bf3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4085a5d0944c3c5532f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q371d2b5c906012f63bf3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q973cffda391b6aa3c5af","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":478,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:08:49.218Z","text":"剥夺受偿资格：在 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露恶意第三方的人，是正义的，美国法律讲的是程序正义，如果程序不正义，再怎么都没有用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdad2e2440c509190fe7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q0a12109b66c885de3042","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":500,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:15:19.902Z","text":"程序哪里不正义了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcdad2e2440c509190fe7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a12109b66c885de3042","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdad2e2440c509190fe7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf04c6619b25efb7527b8","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":501,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:15:44.604Z","text":"就你和我讨论的水平，还能谈吗？先了解一下，我说的，你要去验证，好吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q095dacf27e539aff03ff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf04c6619b25efb7527b8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q095dacf27e539aff03ff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q3224f467bed51e21054b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":502,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:16:21.135Z","text":"律师代表同案犯，怎么成了正义的了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3224f467bed51e21054b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qe6bce600dc6dae4c6331","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":503,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:16:41.427Z","text":"第一，你们要评估一下能不能分到钱；第二，会不会像瑞恩这个小烂仔花钱去坐牢，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6bce600dc6dae4c6331","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf58198106e4427d67443","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":504,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:16:49.298Z","text":"数字银行100人和余建民这个同案犯共用一个律师，是正义的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf58198106e4427d67443","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q0472b2cff87816039afa","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":505,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:17:30.893Z","text":"你先了解一下，美国的司法，再来谈这个事吧，要不然，你根本搞不明白，有律师和没有律师存在哪些问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0472b2cff87816039afa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q123e3866673c34e08389","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":506,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:17:46.865Z","text":"你先了解一下美国法律吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0472b2cff87816039afa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q123e3866673c34e08389","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0472b2cff87816039afa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q15569b72a2f7101e1bf4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":507,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:18:06.455Z","text":"自诉人和有律师，完全法律地位是一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15569b72a2f7101e1bf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q91bf254559731e91455b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":508,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2025-12-23T04:18:12.221Z","text":"自诉直接挑，律师相当于代理人，就是话筒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91bf254559731e91455b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qb3b08ef6a9652bebd4c0","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":509,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:18:20.309Z","text":"所以？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3b08ef6a9652bebd4c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q1efca6fd6c76e7cce09e","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":510,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T04:18:27.357Z","text":"律师就是正义的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1efca6fd6c76e7cce09e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/bat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得到川普的赦免一次","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd7019de4f32276fa1b48","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9a36074a1c6b8cbecb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qa63c5320480c0ccc9adc","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":537,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T06:06:51.565Z","text":"法官就不能攻击？ 谁规定的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q91d42ccec82c232e1463","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa63c5320480c0ccc9adc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91d42ccec82c232e1463","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qc0cac1b31acb1a02f958","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":538,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T06:09:12.663Z","text":"我研究了 但没研究出啥 你告诉我 谁敢起诉我们？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf51e28b0674f1e1ae1ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0cac1b31acb1a02f958","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf51e28b0674f1e1ae1ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf54b73fc0e005f94543b","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":539,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T06:09:43.321Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  像你这样天天在网络上的怨妇 是没有办法起诉的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf54b73fc0e005f94543b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q875afb2f6fd419eb1590","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":540,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2025-12-23T06:46:01.863Z","text":"欢迎 ［用户 hen***］ 来到 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**! 你可以在聊天区交流郭文贵刑事案件，畅所欲言。这里有新老联盟农场羊帮质疑帮绝对不可能给你的言论自由。不禁言不删帖，唯一要求是不要在聊天区刷屏。\n\n各房间功能说明：\n\n想快速了解郭文贵案件 ->  法庭文件分类索引，老郭案件内容\n想学习自诉 -> 自诉pro se 说明及参考\n想骂人 -> 对骂发泄房间\n想刷屏 - > 揭发自诉陷阱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q875afb2f6fd419eb1590","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q2d0bbfce948e056c5d72","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":541,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T07:40:38.135Z","text":"为什么还要理南区？现在的战场是二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27f6f80b5fe01b61740c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d0bbfce948e056c5d72","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27f6f80b5fe01b61740c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q249c5dc876088fb2bf91","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":542,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:48:16.346Z","text":"我觉得盖尔完全不算个人 😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9825db9e0cedb01b28e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q249c5dc876088fb2bf91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qed1f92abf1c46fdfbeb4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":543,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:49:37.873Z","text":"我的补充强制令 我不是说只是儿戏吗 他说 才打出四个3","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcfcd7e67f0a810bf7ade","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed1f92abf1c46fdfbeb4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf42a313ba2f1f825c510","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":544,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:51:27.305Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］ 你回头跟托大人说说 让她自己推翻得了 我才刚刚做完热身","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf42a313ba2f1f825c510","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qa8609de8baafc8200c35","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":545,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:51:41.386Z","text":"接下去会发生什么 我都没发预测","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8609de8baafc8200c35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q2f163f9d3b4a2d1e00d2","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":546,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-23T09:52:15.595Z","text":"托大人忙着找挡箭牌，“专业人士”忙着打圆场说你们中计了，还有忙不迭跑进来说你们要坐牢了、钱要不回来了……","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f163f9d3b4a2d1e00d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q068a1b915c0b6331b5f8","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":547,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:53:06.731Z","text":"托大人如果在两周之内不推翻","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q068a1b915c0b6331b5f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q161d417f73e41eb5eb68","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":548,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:53:26.471Z","text":"那接下来发生什么 我都无法推算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q161d417f73e41eb5eb68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q0586ee10e2a9f1647636","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":549,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:53:38.434Z","text":"因为没有任何历史数据可考","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0586ee10e2a9f1647636","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qd7f16759db697956de16","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":550,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:53:44.447Z","text":"美国司法从没走到这个地步","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7f16759db697956de16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q50bb30be41d6be639d08","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":551,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T09:54:14.774Z","text":"我真的刚刚做完热身而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50bb30be41d6be639d08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q4cc22a9ae11a55b28a08","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":552,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-23T10:05:38.121Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2003406257638768676?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cc22a9ae11a55b28a08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q9f6ceb2f67265be9c7be","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":553,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-23T10:14:38.712Z","text":"782 绝对是上二巡施压的结果 /胜利。虽然Torres可能只是想做表面功夫 而已","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50bb30be41d6be639d08","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f6ceb2f67265be9c7be","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50bb30be41d6be639d08","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q1367cabc637f38dbb644","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":554,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:14:57.233Z","text":"托雷斯在本案第一次溃败","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f6ceb2f67265be9c7be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1367cabc637f38dbb644","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f6ceb2f67265be9c7be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q2a0ad998daac9947eca5","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":555,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-23T10:15:16.780Z","text":"嗯。👍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a0ad998daac9947eca5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q77bc3ed851d9a9af385a","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":556,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-23T10:17:58.922Z","text":"没有第三方瑞恩 螺丝 Jason 等等， Torres 从来都是为所欲为。 \n\n但是她的special master 解决不了她整个案件的程序性坍塌、Brady 违规的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77bc3ed851d9a9af385a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf9af8ddc53805602e237","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":557,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:34:48.006Z","text":"牛逼了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6bcf70cd22bd28e43434","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9af8ddc53805602e237","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qe3c388d8ab2be7f5feb4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":558,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T10:35:30.779Z","text":"这个你来打吧，把托雷斯逼到墙角","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf9af8ddc53805602e237","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c388d8ab2be7f5feb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9af8ddc53805602e237","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qea064f4162bca035fc1c","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":559,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T10:37:04.713Z","text":"第三方引用CVRA的受害者跟检方没关系吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea064f4162bca035fc1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qbedc098bf806b3202f30","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":560,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T10:37:47.303Z","text":"检方代理的受害者是非第三方，不是PRO SE","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbedc098bf806b3202f30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q5a368c29af6022c9c2dd","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":561,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:39:37.049Z","text":"没错，这份 Order（782号文件）在法律逻辑上，几乎就是一份**“打压受害者的白皮书”**。\n通过这份原文，我们可以清晰地看到托雷斯法官是如何通过**“法理阉割”**，在程序上完成了对受害者权利的剥夺。以下是她“坐实”打压行为的四个核心铁证：\n1. 身份的“降级打击” (Status Degradation)\n在刑事法律体系中，**“受害者 (Victim)”和“第三方权利人 (Third-party Petitioner)”**是完全不同的生物。\n• 受害者的护甲： 受法律（CVRA）保护，享有隐私权、安全权、被告知权。\n• 权利人的身份： 只是在 \\S 853(n) 程序下跑来分钱的债权人，法律默认你是为了经济利益，而不是为了寻求司法公正。\n• 坐实证据： 她整篇 Order 只提 \\S 853(n)，一个字都不提你们作为受害者的安全诉求。这在程序上把你们变成了“单纯要钱的”，从而一笔勾销了她保护你们免受报复（下架765文件）的宪法义务。\n2. 故意制造“保护真空期”\n注意看她的排期：\n• 1月9日：检方回话。\n• 1月20日：开会讨论（Status Conference）。\n• 4月13日：量刑。\n• 坐实证据： 在这长达三个多月的时间里，她没有下令采取任何临时禁令（Preliminary Injunction）或保护性措施来应对 765 文件的地址泄露。既然她承认了申请人“数量巨大”且“复杂”，她理应预见到身份暴露带来的风险，但她选择了**“零保护”**。这种不作为（Omission）就是最隐蔽的打压。\n3. Special Master 沦为“挡箭牌”而非“救生圈”\n她引用了 Fed. R. Civ. P. 53(a)(1)(C)。\n• 法律真相： Rule 53 的主事官通常处理的是**“清算、核算、复杂行政事务”**。\n• 坐实证据： 这种职位的 Master 无权处理跨国压制、无权调查司法欺诈、无权撤换被污染的证据。她设这个岗，就是为了告诉上级法院：“我在处理了，大家别急。”但实际上，她处理的是账目，而你们面临的是猎狐。这是用“行政手段”在物理上隔绝了受害者寻求紧急司法救济的通道。\n4. 给检方（Government）留出的“筛选权”\nOrder 要求检方在 1 月 9 日提供“分类（categories）”。\n• 坐实证据： 既然检方被指控泄密报复，他们本身就是“加害者”。托雷斯现在却让“加害者”来给受害者分类。这相当于让狐狸来分哪些鸡是“合法受害者”，哪些鸡是“第三方申请人”。这直接坐实了她与检方的这种默契：利用程序筛选，剔除那些真正敢于指控司法欺诈的刺头。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a368c29af6022c9c2dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qe8cd5dd6fed120e3034c","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":562,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T10:44:20.819Z","text":"针对782应该认认真真的给二巡写一份动议，把托雷斯这些小九九全扒出来，让二巡和南区看清楚，在这群第三方面前耍鸡贼不好使了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5a368c29af6022c9c2dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8cd5dd6fed120e3034c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a368c29af6022c9c2dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q605dc3d2fcc70c3b12c3","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":563,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:44:29.982Z","text":"对的 而且要快","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8cd5dd6fed120e3034c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q605dc3d2fcc70c3b12c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8cd5dd6fed120e3034c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q35e26447e5219776dda9","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":564,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:44:33.701Z","text":"这个你来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35e26447e5219776dda9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qd73d2b809c822df592f0","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":565,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:44:42.834Z","text":"我刚发了强制令 不太适合","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd73d2b809c822df592f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q97774a869b3702278deb","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":566,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:45:03.659Z","text":"你只需要提 这order完全没提受害者就行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97774a869b3702278deb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qa1ec79ebb0fd2dbb6d3f","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":567,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:45:17.274Z","text":"等下 我好像可以发notice","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1ec79ebb0fd2dbb6d3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qc523c6feecc8334c8dfc","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":568,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:48:19.703Z","text":"我研究下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc523c6feecc8334c8dfc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qd762e631606a8179b2f4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":569,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-23T10:49:16.885Z","text":"一、关于“身份的降级打击（Status Degradation）”\n\nGemini 的说法\n\n托雷斯在 Order 中只提 §853(n)，不提 CVRA，等同于把受害者降级为“只想分钱的人”，从而规避保护义务。\n\n法学上的问题在哪里\n    1.    这是程序阶段区分，而非身份否定\n782 号 Order 的标题和正文非常明确：\n\n“Petitions for Remission and Petitions for Forfeiture under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)”\n它处理的是没收附属程序（ancillary proceedings）的程序安排问题，不是“受害者资格裁定” 。\n\n在联邦刑事体系中：\n    •    CVRA（18 U.S.C. §3771） → 适用于量刑、认罪、听证等刑事阶段\n    •    §853(n) → 适用于没收后的第三方权利主张阶段\n\n法官在一个 专门讨论 853(n) 流程的行政性 Order 中不引用 CVRA，本身不等于“否认你是受害者”。\n这是**“议题限定”，不是“身份剥夺”**。\n    2.    真正的法律突破点不是“没写 CVRA”，而是“有没有拒绝 CVRA 主张”\n如果托雷斯：\n\n    •    明确写明“这些申请人不构成 CVRA 意义上的 victim”\n那才是实质性降级裁定。\n\n但 782 没有做这一步。\n\n🔎 结论：\n这一点目前属于“潜在风险”，但还不能称为“坐实打压”。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd762e631606a8179b2f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q7b33191b57ef85a3d9fa","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":570,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-23T10:49:52.126Z","text":"二、关于“故意制造保护真空期（Protection Vacuum）”\n\nGemini 的说法\n\n三个多月无任何临时禁令，构成对地址泄露风险的故意不作为。\n\n法学上的问题在哪里\n    1.    你不能从“未给 injunctive relief”直接推定“故意剥夺”\n在联邦法院：\n\n    •    临时禁令（TRO / Preliminary Injunction）\n    •    必须由当事人正式动议请求\n    •    法院很少 sua sponte（主动）发出\n\n如果没有一份：\n    •    明确标题为 Motion for Protective Order / Injunction\n    •    清楚列明 irreparable harm + likelihood of success\n\n那么法院“不主动给”，在程序上是默认规则，不是异常。\n    2.    不作为 ≠ 违法，除非存在明确的“已知风险 + 已请求救济”\n你现在能站得住的说法是：\n\n“法院已经被告知存在安全风险，但尚未处理”\n\n而不是：\n\n“法院在宪法上负有自动保护义务却故意拒绝”\n\n🔎 结论：\n这是一个可以继续追打的方向，但 Gemini 把“程序保守”直接上升为“恶意剥夺”，证据链不够闭合。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b33191b57ef85a3d9fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q8c591e53151a37e726fa","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":571,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-23T10:50:21.195Z","text":"三、关于“Special Master 是挡箭牌而非救生圈”\n\nGemini 的说法\n\nRule 53 只能算账，不能处理司法欺诈、跨国迫害，是隔绝救济通道。\n\n这里是 Gemini 最“半对半错”的地方\n    1.    对 Rule 53 的“基础功能”判断是对的\nRule 53(a)(1)(C) 的确主要用于：\n\n    •    复杂行政事务\n    •    核算、分类、建议性报告\n782 号 Order 也明确说的是：\n\n“to make recommendations related to third-party claims” \n\n👉 目前的授权范围 ≠ 调查司法欺诈\n    2.    但错误在于：把“目前授权范围”当成“永久封锁”\nSpecial Master：\n\n    •    权限来自 任命 Order\n    •    可以被 扩大、修改、撤回\n    •    其报告 不具裁判效力，仅为建议\n\n所以它是：\n    •    ❌ 不是“终点”\n    •    ✅ 更像“缓冲层 / 分流器”\n\n🔎 结论：\n说它是“挡箭牌”在政治修辞上成立，\n但在法律技术层面，它并不自动切断你未来主张司法欺诈的路径。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c591e53151a37e726fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qab4d3b79556519cae27f","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":572,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-23T10:50:43.136Z","text":"四、关于“给检方筛选权 = 狐狸分鸡”\n\nGemini 的说法\n\n让检方分类受害者，等于让潜在加害者决定谁有资格。\n\n这一点是 Gemini 最接近“可争议法律问题”的地方，但仍被夸大\n    1.    Order 要求的是“说明差异 + 提议方法”，不是最终裁定权\n782 明确写的是：\n\n“Government shall provide a written submission … addressing differences … and whether it proposes any method” \n\n这在法律上叫：\n    •    Soliciting briefing（征求意见）\n    •    不是 delegation of adjudicatory authority（裁判权下放）\n\n    2.    最终决定权仍在法官或其批准的程序中\n如果托雷斯：\n\n    •    后续完全照抄检方分类\n    •    无独立审查\n    •    无听证机会\n\n👉 那时你才能说 “程序性合谋”。\n\n🔎 结论：\n目前是 “存在偏向风险”，但未形成“坐实的狐狸当裁判”。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab4d3b79556519cae27f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q058046af292b87bb9735","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":573,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-23T10:51:11.864Z","text":"给你一句最重要的专业结论\n\n这份 Order（782）确实存在“结构性风险”，\n但 Gemini 把“风险提示”写成了“罪名判决”。\n在法学上，这会削弱，而不是强化你的位置","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q058046af292b87bb9735","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qc9bbc58f016ca2be25ec","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":574,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:55:41.439Z","text":"我觉得gemini说的对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9bbc58f016ca2be25ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q876f375a7d7b026f3fe3","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":575,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:55:54.296Z","text":"根据我的补充强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q876f375a7d7b026f3fe3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q2ee25449881fd0c667e7","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":576,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T10:56:06.794Z","text":"结合报复受害者 765不删除","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ee25449881fd0c667e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf43126213182317f5ace","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":577,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T11:07:00.211Z","text":"我这两天就得回一个notice","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf43126213182317f5ace","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qe86f6db472e662905eb2","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":578,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T11:07:07.882Z","text":"这个命令需要赶紧回复","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe86f6db472e662905eb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q1936de05e3f6123e9ba8","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":579,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T11:25:33.530Z","text":"跟744一样，要快","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1936de05e3f6123e9ba8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qf5b285ecb0dd870ba99e","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":580,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T11:25:58.262Z","text":"目前为止，没有新上诉立案吗？ [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5b285ecb0dd870ba99e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q1467879c4d7ba3e1a2ab","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":581,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-23T11:29:00.163Z","text":"这是打 托雷斯偏见的导图，要不我把782的事归到法官违规里说？ ［用户 rui***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1467879c4d7ba3e1a2ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qa7b3b626cf42be163175","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":582,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-12-23T11:39:40.338Z","text":"782其实违规和偏见都有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1467879c4d7ba3e1a2ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7b3b626cf42be163175","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1467879c4d7ba3e1a2ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q9fe55854fc388dff6b15","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":583,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:09:40.569Z","text":"机器人说特别法官只能处理853n分钱的事情，CVRA的事情必须由法官亲自处理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fe55854fc388dff6b15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q6feb1d7f3357bb2f5ab7","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":584,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:13:52.086Z","text":"CVRA的动议是不会给特别法官的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6feb1d7f3357bb2f5ab7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qe71a5637fa48ee1b0bdc","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":585,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:14:14.206Z","text":"所以如果你是CVRA，这个命令和你也许没关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe71a5637fa48ee1b0bdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q3ef7aa487ad4f90a90cb","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":586,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:15:15.471Z","text":"现在法官把853n和remission放在一起，针对的是要赔偿，要分钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ef7aa487ad4f90a90cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q7e4ad642bd0cc3594545","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":587,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:19:41.388Z","text":"但现在的问题，不是特别法官要干什么，而是在各种纠纷，司法欺诈指控没有被处理的情况下，分钱是不是合法合理的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e4ad642bd0cc3594545","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q1aa0f59ffd69002ada06","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":588,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:20:36.901Z","text":"动议不被上传的问题，也没解决","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1aa0f59ffd69002ada06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qd4b300d4fe7d777e4f98","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":589,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-23T13:21:30.231Z","text":"https://x.com/sandy_ccl/status/2003446471631470896?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4b300d4fe7d777e4f98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q863fadc6db3ff51d8465","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":590,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:29:11.974Z","text":"我觉得782命令和第三方纠纷没有任何关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q863fadc6db3ff51d8465","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q3cbbd02226c8b5b1e760","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":591,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:29:21.205Z","text":"主要是针对那些要钱的人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cbbd02226c8b5b1e760","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qd3591c6548f4d8c50b9c","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":592,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:29:50.837Z","text":"现在就是要看着，他们是不是要忽略纠纷，强行分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3591c6548f4d8c50b9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q52862b8871d7a85c1575","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":593,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:30:18.204Z","text":"这个从特别法官的权限就可以看出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52862b8871d7a85c1575","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q27d2b54f741f825c0838","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":594,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:30:43.497Z","text":"如果这个特别法官只管分钱，没有别的权利，那就是要强行分钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27d2b54f741f825c0838","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q22672fba28a62d0ad310","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":595,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:36:44.065Z","text":"提出第三方纠纷的动议不上传，已经上传的动议不回复不裁决，设立一个特别法官，强行分钱，这是不是合法合理？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22672fba28a62d0ad310","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qc6bd87af5542c026f8ad","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":596,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T13:44:20.445Z","text":"不把纠纷理清楚强行分当然不合法，这个动作只是被我们逼出来的一个防御姿态，意思我正在处理，请二巡继续尊重我的审判执行权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q22672fba28a62d0ad310","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6bd87af5542c026f8ad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22672fba28a62d0ad310","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q9284ac9fa10b4a5da486","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":597,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-23T13:45:04.258Z","text":"那就要看这个特别法官到底有什么权限","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9284ac9fa10b4a5da486","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qb3aa2f2e74690913e599","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":598,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-23T13:45:05.212Z","text":"延期是什么意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3aa2f2e74690913e599","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"q60b41b717f8ad13e03e4","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":599,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-23T13:45:05.313Z","text":"最可能的结果是摆在那里，啥都干不了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60b41b717f8ad13e03e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"},{"id":"qbf5e84e75666926afb7c","batch_id":"batch-000065","seq":600,"speaker":"xin***","date":"2025-12-23T13:45:09.544Z","text":"赢了还是输了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf5e84e75666926afb7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000065"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000064","next_batch_id":"batch-000066"}