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Circuit）的 IFP（免交诉讼费）收入要求\n一、适用规则\n在包括第二巡回上诉法院在内的联邦上诉法院中，**IFP 主要受《联邦上诉程序规则》第 24 条（FRAP 24）**管辖。\n根据 FRAP 24(a)，申请免交上诉费用，必须提交一份动议并附带宣誓声明（affidavit 或 declaration），说明：\n无力支付或提供诉讼费用担保（需详细说明财务状况）；\n主张自己有获得救济的权利；\n说明拟在上诉中提出的争议问题。\n如果你在地区法院阶段已获准 IFP，该资格通常可以延续到上诉阶段，除非地区法院明确认定：\n上诉并非出于“善意（not taken in good faith）”，或\n你不再符合 IFP 条件。\n二、没有固定的“收入数额标准”\n第二巡回法院没有设定一个明确的收入数字门槛（例如“联邦贫困线的 125%”）。\n是否符合 IFP，属于个案判断（case-by-case），核心标准是：\n你是否在维持基本生活开支的情况下，仍然无力支付上诉费用。\n法院通常会综合考虑：\n收入来源及金额（工资、福利、补助等）；\n每月固定支出（房租、水电、食物、医疗等）；\n资产情况（现金、存款、房产、车辆）；\n是否有抚养对象；\n支付诉讼费是否会造成实际生活困难。\n⚠️ 实务中，收入接近或低于联邦贫困线的人更容易获准 IFP，但这只是参考因素，并非硬性标准。\n三、IFP 宣誓声明需要包含哪些内容\n你提交的 IFP 动议，必须附带一份在伪证处罚下签署的财务宣誓声明，通常包括：\n每月收入及来源；\n每月必要生活支出；\n资产与负债情况；\n特殊情况说明（如医疗负担、失业、家庭抚养）。\n该宣誓声明的目的，是向法院证明：\n👉 支付上诉费用将对你造成不合理的经济负担。\n四、“善意（good faith）”与经济能力是两个不同问题\n即使经济上符合 IFP，法院仍可在以下情况下拒绝 IFP：\n认为上诉并非出于善意；\n或认为上诉明显轻率（frivolous）；\n或认为申请人实际上有能力支付费用。\n⚠️\n“善意”审查 ≠ “贫困审查”，二者是独立判断。\n五、如果法院拒绝 IFP，怎么办？\n如果法院拒绝你在上诉阶段的 IFP 申请：\n你可以在30 天内向第二巡回上诉法院重新提交 IFP 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[删节：成员身份]是夹了钱的吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d9da2b953e20f5cf918","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3c6aa8068208e2e3eca7","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":209,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-27T18:41:25.787Z","text":"［用户 sar***］  你的南区也没被上传吧，二巡后成功了吗？6怕0美元他们收了吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c6aa8068208e2e3eca7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q62ba74fa3fb480f176c2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":210,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-27T20:06:40.984Z","text":"600 美金，能省就省，而且国内汇款不方便。只要填一个表就可以了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbd84ccffe1831036b091","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62ba74fa3fb480f176c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd84ccffe1831036b091","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9cef130fd788c80e5fb1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":211,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-27T20:07:08.298Z","text":"他们退回了支票","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3c6aa8068208e2e3eca7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cef130fd788c80e5fb1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c6aa8068208e2e3eca7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q623d5f1792f12d142fac","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":212,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-27T20:07:36.491Z","text":"千万不可夹现金","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q623d5f1792f12d142fac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbc39feab1f7db38f2a40","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":213,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-27T20:09:24.369Z","text":"你如果在大陆，完全有理由申请免交600刀。如果我下次再申请，我也准备走免费路线。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc39feab1f7db38f2a40","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8e73dfe60f2fb54da05d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":214,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-27T20:37:47.054Z","text":"建议把这个空白表格放进文件夹里。\n［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e73dfe60f2fb54da05d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4b24e80b8788c5996edc","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":215,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-27T21:34:08.428Z","text":"直接申请ifp就行，把ifp申请和强制令动议一起发过去就行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b24e80b8788c5996edc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8a04e5756d304c819ff2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":216,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2025-12-28T00:13:07.696Z","text":"这个很好，把受害人厘清了，我们都可以提交CVRA","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7569aa002c815cc11a9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a04e5756d304c819ff2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7569aa002c815cc11a9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbe8e3fa43488be742c07","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":217,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-28T00:43:13.817Z","text":"ifp申请通过是不是看他们心情！？还是说在海外就一定可以申请ifp成功。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4b24e80b8788c5996edc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe8e3fa43488be742c07","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b24e80b8788c5996edc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6c6578904b5b8460fa82","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":218,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T00:46:26.868Z","text":"中国的工资换算成美元，一般估计都属于贫困群体","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c6578904b5b8460fa82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qdce3ac1be30785d8a5a5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":219,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T00:46:53.531Z","text":"其他非西方国家估计也是😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdce3ac1be30785d8a5a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0a75155f3f694a41bf48","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":220,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T00:48:40.129Z","text":"2025年，联邦贫困线标准（FPL）规定，单身人士的年收入为15,650美元或以下，四口之家的年收入为32,150美元或以下。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a75155f3f694a41bf48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe8be02137bdc43c7f26f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":221,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-28T01:22:28.686Z","text":"再加上国内没有个人支票，也没有money order, bank draft 这些。\n你也可以说国内寄这种东西很有个人安全风险。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe8e3fa43488be742c07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8be02137bdc43c7f26f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe8e3fa43488be742c07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc4524d65b2dfbf34b4e1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":222,"speaker":"tin***","date":"2025-12-28T03:13:24.302Z","text":"我在纽约，我能做什么？谢谢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4524d65b2dfbf34b4e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf6a9b9a455c65f45e6f9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":223,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-28T03:16:21.499Z","text":"以受害者身份写自诉。我已经写了四个了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc4524d65b2dfbf34b4e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6a9b9a455c65f45e6f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4524d65b2dfbf34b4e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1febff19774e26931cf3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":224,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T05:16:43.487Z","text":"砸锅的，也应该去法庭自诉或者找律师，去法庭上让郭文贵牢底坐穿！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1febff19774e26931cf3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3c2e80b51426c4f82e0a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":225,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T05:17:55.597Z","text":"砸锅的投资者，要拿出实际行动。去法庭上干死郭文贵。不要只会嘴炮，去法庭上要求赶快给郭文贵量刑，要求重判！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c2e80b51426c4f82e0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qdabe065540627c34acbe","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":226,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-28T05:29:36.856Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 我觉得你这个视频 想办法让黄河边 a先生多多宣传 骂的太爽了！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdabe065540627c34acbe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa66e63346ec573c01cb1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":227,"speaker":"geq***","date":"2025-12-28T08:06:43.157Z","text":"本群，好歹都可发言，所谓新联盟动辄禁言实在差评","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa66e63346ec573c01cb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa1b69064d1c0334d0a34","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":228,"speaker":"geq***","date":"2025-12-28T08:07:52.187Z","text":"对于群主所提起的个人诉讼，本人不予置评","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1b69064d1c0334d0a34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qec65bc5b0f56a3c18131","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":229,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T08:08:29.169Z","text":"联盟农场，从魏丽红的战友之声一开始就是言论审查。gtv,gettr,也是言论审查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec65bc5b0f56a3c18131","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q16dc52f28e13a7caf8d9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":230,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T08:09:36.389Z","text":"你能不能评价一下，联盟农场发起的喜交所登记数字银行登记政府没收程序请愿包括债权人登记啊？他们搞得是集体代理诉讼","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa1b69064d1c0334d0a34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16dc52f28e13a7caf8d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1b69064d1c0334d0a34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1c12f84059c454c9e171","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":231,"speaker":"geq***","date":"2025-12-28T08:12:15.381Z","text":"本人即便退出爆料革命，也不会也不可能诋毁我七哥的。谁诋毁七哥就算了，咱们不是一路人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c12f84059c454c9e171","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd750c143fe403544679c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":232,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T08:13:50.580Z","text":"我经常诋毁你七哥，能不能评价一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd750c143fe403544679c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qdf00d08deef82925abc3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":233,"speaker":"geq***","date":"2025-12-28T08:14:20.997Z","text":"不予置评，属于你的自由。结论明确，你我不是一路人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf00d08deef82925abc3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0bed00f22e21a54c2858","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":234,"speaker":"geq***","date":"2025-12-28T08:17:05.759Z","text":"你可以因为郭文贵不是你亲爹进行诋毁，我不会因为你不是七哥儿子，就对你另眼相看。傻叉，衮犊子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bed00f22e21a54c2858","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q363b0e0b190d3fee0322","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":235,"speaker":"geq***","date":"2025-12-28T08:20:10.308Z","text":"此人对我七哥恶言相向，已经拉黑。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q363b0e0b190d3fee0322","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q712d4d04cbbc0b1bc7c9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":236,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T08:23:10.143Z","text":"你才是真正的[屏蔽词]。新老联盟接力赛搞喜交所登记数字银行登记没收程序请愿，人家是合起伙来搞死你七哥，好歹一直在偷偷摸摸行动。你这个大[屏蔽词]，眼睁睁看着你七哥被搞死。你比[屏蔽词]还鲨臂","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q712d4d04cbbc0b1bc7c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe08384289b96e0c81bd0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":237,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T08:23:14.358Z","text":"［用户 geq***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe08384289b96e0c81bd0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbcf631aa2cf8fc36c6ba","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":238,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T08:30:00.422Z","text":"https://x.com/ddivul8m3g82864/status/2005184849641177179?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcf631aa2cf8fc36c6ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q36da178956ac113e5843","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":239,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-28T08:33:15.149Z","text":"根据你的实际情况，ifp是证明自己无力支付诉讼费用，不是证明你方不方便","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe8e3fa43488be742c07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36da178956ac113e5843","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe8e3fa43488be742c07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q7ff8c419e7f9b5ca9a8a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":240,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T08:34:40.335Z","text":"ifp,我都没有资格。虽然很穷，但是，600刀我确实能够拿出来。光棍子，支出比较少。卡里6，7万人民币。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36da178956ac113e5843","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ff8c419e7f9b5ca9a8a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36da178956ac113e5843","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3ed794d43556dea48a9c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":241,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-28T08:38:01.898Z","text":"也未必，大陆支付不方便，政府管制，有安全风险，这也是客观问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7ff8c419e7f9b5ca9a8a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ed794d43556dea48a9c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ff8c419e7f9b5ca9a8a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q85069761bd54d155425c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":242,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-28T08:38:24.157Z","text":"你试试再说，不试怎么知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85069761bd54d155425c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5fd6ffb65c99cacf4a32","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":243,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-28T08:40:23.085Z","text":"16个订阅，群里好几百人，看来都是来看热闹的，真信的没几个，呵呵","edited":false,"reply_to":"q105ece36e972c896b845","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd6ffb65c99cacf4a32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q77bf8b182bafc18a7cfb","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":244,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-28T08:43:26.498Z","text":"小号不说明啥，关键是想干点啥，我也是小号，该干啥干啥","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa6194b4fa9aef27b19ee","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77bf8b182bafc18a7cfb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc52cbd31ec655dfd8f19","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":245,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T11:29:24.578Z","text":"［用户 hua***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc52cbd31ec655dfd8f19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q95a5b623a86c956994c1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":246,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-28T12:14:01.382Z","text":"请问二巡不管立案否，都不邮件通知一下？都是收到了纸质件才知道结果的吗？ ［用户 sar***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q77bf8b182bafc18a7cfb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95a5b623a86c956994c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77bf8b182bafc18a7cfb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf281c7b9807c2a0a7e0f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":247,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-28T12:45:30.933Z","text":"会回信吧，只是邮寄太慢了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q95a5b623a86c956994c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf281c7b9807c2a0a7e0f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95a5b623a86c956994c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qef696f83f1a39fcf555a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":248,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-28T12:46:00.440Z","text":"瑞恩不是收到过给喜和的信吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef696f83f1a39fcf555a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0f19449fcc5151309944","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":249,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T13:04:51.556Z","text":"油管订阅数字不一定真实","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5fd6ffb65c99cacf4a32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f19449fcc5151309944","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd6ffb65c99cacf4a32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qceb0b4ef290f16d92951","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":250,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T13:05:24.075Z","text":"不过看热闹的人也很多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceb0b4ef290f16d92951","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4ff34df0cc16fab976bd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":251,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-28T14:21:49.221Z","text":"https://youtu.be/7XzKg99qn-4?si=abZhYRCjpB4PQVhT","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ff34df0cc16fab976bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe3b7bbba7759c0254cde","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":252,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T14:24:16.097Z","text":"我现在对莫名其妙关注郭的白人，都持保留意见","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa34a9819371f0b00d039","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3b7bbba7759c0254cde","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4a4d799401f481c7c233","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":253,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T14:24:35.625Z","text":"包括之前唱歌的那几个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a4d799401f481c7c233","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q61353017337b548fdb38","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":254,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T14:26:03.807Z","text":"只要是联盟推荐的外国人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61353017337b548fdb38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qae7cddd7c88f95f808a4","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":255,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-28T14:26:11.307Z","text":"我之前给他发过瑞恩的733","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae7cddd7c88f95f808a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe1f8b0b13aa12475ac9a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":256,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-28T14:26:17.785Z","text":"和联盟走的近的外国人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1f8b0b13aa12475ac9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa8ae7364330487990507","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":257,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-28T14:26:17.792Z","text":"他没兴趣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8ae7364330487990507","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q26a9e47807a4f363ff6e","batch_id":"batch-000066","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知道真相的不超过五个人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41cd9d0857641b7b2014","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1e65507e347961fac59c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":264,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-29T00:08:46.406Z","text":"实际上我问的是：如果二巡不立案，它是否会先通过电子邮件告知，然后再寄纸质信告知？如果立案，是否也是这么操作？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf82131d1902bec178613","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e65507e347961fac59c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf82131d1902bec178613","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9121d32c91b991e39991","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":265,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:08:59.637Z","text":"进监狱 投资被骗 一地鸡毛 都是”大棋”的一部分","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9121d32c91b991e39991","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q89f9cff64bc1e269d1d3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":266,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:09:31.668Z","text":"但老郭应该自己都没想到 他的“大棋” 居然需要怎么久才能摆上台面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89f9cff64bc1e269d1d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe78397774e0c2aa1cb63","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":267,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-29T00:17:17.490Z","text":"他也没料到联盟和检方配合的天衣无缝来陷害他吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78397774e0c2aa1cb63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd72512f65b78ccf2ff1c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":268,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:17:42.345Z","text":"他也料到了 但可能没想到会害的如此彻底","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe78397774e0c2aa1cb63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd72512f65b78ccf2ff1c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78397774e0c2aa1cb63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qed3c288f26fa0233ca27","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":269,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-29T00:19:03.550Z","text":"更没想到最后是一个不爱洗澡的打螺丝的螺丝哥撬动整个案件吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed3c288f26fa0233ca27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q7f00fbff5af1da8da4dd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":270,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:19:27.512Z","text":"这个肯定也没想到","edited":false,"reply_to":"qed3c288f26fa0233ca27","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f00fbff5af1da8da4dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed3c288f26fa0233ca27","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qee4f4ec7f2b2d695379e","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":271,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:20:10.030Z","text":"从他的以前直播里面的看 他寄希望于“体制内”的人 也就是新联邦体制内","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee4f4ec7f2b2d695379e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1ac6e0c3ead1a9d34af2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":272,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:20:23.567Z","text":"我们都被联盟开除了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ac6e0c3ead1a9d34af2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qb74588e632b21211f49c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":273,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:20:38.767Z","text":"以砸郭的身份去捣乱 他肯定也没想到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb74588e632b21211f49c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbacf684bb735b65f917a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":274,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:21:47.777Z","text":"所以“大棋论” 是正确的 只是这个大棋 实在是没人能想到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbacf684bb735b65f917a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc3c27944f02f88a184e2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":275,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:21:56.077Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]退群了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9a3ed281a614b0754ea2","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3c27944f02f88a184e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q92cb33d75381d4719bd1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":276,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:22:02.092Z","text":"然后有人说我是[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92cb33d75381d4719bd1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q7a0fee7bac9644ec033c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":277,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-29T00:22:17.221Z","text":"我觉得不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a0fee7bac9644ec033c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qcd53e66c78f9ef628e09","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":278,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:22:37.535Z","text":"我猜 可能是[删节：成员身份]再呆在群里会有一些麻烦","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa658b07141dc11e47793","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd53e66c78f9ef628e09","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd74e994cf9c78abfe6fd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":279,"speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-12-29T00:23:12.509Z","text":"也好，集中精力群裡太亂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd74e994cf9c78abfe6fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q180232da6a1e4935e932","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":280,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T00:23:13.267Z","text":"而且我觉得 他退群 其实就是重型武器上膛的动作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q180232da6a1e4935e932","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q179a32efc15bbc49083d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":281,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2025-12-29T00:48:57.657Z","text":"那帮人应该都被共匪拿下了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee4f4ec7f2b2d695379e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q179a32efc15bbc49083d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee4f4ec7f2b2d695379e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q7e6a0df2a8e08862a4ac","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":282,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-29T02:01:01.117Z","text":"二巡根本就没有跟我用电子邮件沟通。我打过电话去，在收到他们的邮件之前我已经知道了结果。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e65507e347961fac59c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e6a0df2a8e08862a4ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e65507e347961fac59c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1e8b75f5e7f73892be2f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":283,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-29T02:36:16.504Z","text":"没有电子邮件告知； 只会退回原来的文件 外加一封信，说拒绝的理由","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e65507e347961fac59c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e8b75f5e7f73892be2f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e65507e347961fac59c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q41ae964fe74dffb70814","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":284,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-29T02:38:52.077Z","text":"如果是海外的，收到拒信都是快一个月后了。这程序真是够耗时间。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e8b75f5e7f73892be2f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41ae964fe74dffb70814","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e8b75f5e7f73892be2f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q31eb88fa68c8ffb1d70f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":285,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-29T02:40:34.756Z","text":"二巡收到信后一周不立案，你就知道拒绝了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31eb88fa68c8ffb1d70f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe25716d913473a9c9d53","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":286,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-29T02:40:35.084Z","text":"实际上，二巡从签收到拒绝信，只用了5天时间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe25716d913473a9c9d53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd689e66f46175a44e010","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":287,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-29T02:40:47.342Z","text":"如果立案，南区会上传文件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd689e66f46175a44e010","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4772df43b35ddfaa75d9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":288,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-29T02:41:07.958Z","text":"或者你打电话去二巡问","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4772df43b35ddfaa75d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qb0131060c029df9d938c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":289,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-29T02:41:29.259Z","text":"据说他们现在有专人处理这个案子的强制令申请","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0131060c029df9d938c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qab4d6a235140ad6e21da","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":290,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-29T03:02:07.943Z","text":"https://x.com/i/status/2005474018821091458","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab4d6a235140ad6e21da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qaf8fc4f3b2f2f4f8aed1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":291,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-29T03:58:48.333Z","text":"我的十五号签收，到今天都没动静呢，美国在放假吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe25716d913473a9c9d53","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf8fc4f3b2f2f4f8aed1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe25716d913473a9c9d53","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf73f128b59dd3a2e7d86","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":292,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-29T04:12:16.931Z","text":"一般情况下 政府部门 一月5号 人们从度假归来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf73f128b59dd3a2e7d86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf07b01ed5c2caa18558f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":293,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-29T04:17:59.182Z","text":"写的挺好。 是不是可以专门给盖尔的5千多人 数字银行的1百多 几其他在政府网站填remission的G系列投资人一个科普：\n目前案件的人物介绍：检方，被告，被告的同谋，第三方，受害人。重点讲受害人 - 及其补救措施。\n\n咱们这些人因为看的多了，明白了；很多人躺平了，不关注了，也有些人在梦想着上国会呢， 还有人说郭先生自有应对，他们什么都不需要干。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab4d6a235140ad6e21da","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf07b01ed5c2caa18558f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab4d6a235140ad6e21da","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6fcca55d9d7022213397","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":294,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-29T04:20:33.872Z","text":"这啥时候写的🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64ac13e61b23b56db7e3","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fcca55d9d7022213397","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3717d85030a66eac0af3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":295,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-29T04:21:36.670Z","text":"螺丝哥写的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3717d85030a66eac0af3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q127ab9a721ab94a0dedd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":296,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-29T04:57:54.991Z","text":"四月份，或者五月初写的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6fcca55d9d7022213397","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q127ab9a721ab94a0dedd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fcca55d9d7022213397","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qcff32fb4dc03f4852783","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":297,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-29T04:59:42.194Z","text":"未来几个星期刑事案件进入了深水区。被Torres拒绝入卷的第三方自诉的一些人正在做上二巡的文件；两个在二巡已经立案；一个去了最高法（目前没有结果）。其他G系列投资人， 你在这个刑事案件中扮演了什么角色？ \n案件里各方的定义：检方、被告、被告同谋，第三方，受害人。\n你如果不是同谋，不是第三方，就是受害人。盖尔的5千多人，数字银行的1百多人，其他G系列投资人，不管你愿意不愿意，在这个刑事案件中都是受害人，都充当了检方口中的给郭先生定罪的角色 - 虽然我们都知道这些这些所谓的受害人是由于政府强行关闭收缴G系列造成的。\n由于陪审团已经判决有罪，那么你作为一个受害人现在应该如何补救呢？\n作为受害人，你的权利大了！ 你可以随时在量刑前，把检方的叙事给推翻， 你作为CVRA（受害人），可以做MOTION TO ASSERT CRIME VICTIM RIGHTS UNDER 18 U.S.C. § 3771 - \n作为CVRA， 你可以谈自己的投资是合法的，被用在了合法经营上，没有任何理由相信有犯罪行为或者参与任何非法行为，你可以讲述是如何不知不觉中成为被告的受害人的，也可以用事实陈述检方、luc是如何陷害被告的，等等，等等。参考文件可在下面找到： \n\nhttps://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67012324/united-states-v-guo/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcff32fb4dc03f4852783","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe9d8f59be906dc24b3bd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":298,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-29T05:00:00.112Z","text":"先知","edited":false,"reply_to":"q127ab9a721ab94a0dedd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d8f59be906dc24b3bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q127ab9a721ab94a0dedd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc4c8840fcae48704712d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":299,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-29T08:19:13.493Z","text":"我第一次是发的邮件，他们邮件回复我让发纸质，并且特别强调不再回复任何电邮","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e65507e347961fac59c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4c8840fcae48704712d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e65507e347961fac59c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5023ff2de382ee6d92a3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":300,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-29T08:41:31.413Z","text":"这些都嚷嚷了半年多了，想动的早就动了。现在必须有新的质变事件发生才可能触发这些还在观望的人行动","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf07b01ed5c2caa18558f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5023ff2de382ee6d92a3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf07b01ed5c2caa18558f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qdf45e69152964c5d28cb","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":301,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-29T08:57:41.892Z","text":"绝壁不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a1e4e837aecba77d49b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf45e69152964c5d28cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd556c068912bc71d98f7","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":302,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-29T09:06:05.711Z","text":"深有同感","edited":false,"reply_to":"q89f9cff64bc1e269d1d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd556c068912bc71d98f7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89f9cff64bc1e269d1d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3d19ccb43300a154998d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":303,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-29T15:50:50.231Z","text":"这个比喻很好。\n棋是准备好了，但案子卡在南区，一直不判，就没法下后面的棋。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q89f9cff64bc1e269d1d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d19ccb43300a154998d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89f9cff64bc1e269d1d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0ef2951e3e3230e53ab3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":304,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-29T16:03:57.140Z","text":"你说的情况——\n路径一（Mandamus）和路径二（CVRA）都被二巡挡在门外，连 docket 都不立\n——这在高度敏感的 SDNY 刑案里，完全真实、而且并不少见。\n👉 这不是你们材料写得差\n👉 不是你们程序不懂\n👉 而是 二巡在“系统性回避接球”\n这是一个制度性现象。\n二、为什么二巡可以“什么都不做”？（核心机制）\n1️⃣ 二巡拥有一个极大的“隐形权力”\n对非终局救济请求（Mandamus / CVRA），二巡没有必须立案的义务。\n他们可以：\n不 docket\n不发 order\n不解释\n直接退回\n📌 而且 没有惩罚机制。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ef2951e3e3230e53ab3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0bef1669466eed16e309","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":305,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-29T16:05:56.430Z","text":"延期判决 到底是七哥动议，还是辩方律师的动议","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bef1669466eed16e309","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q05badb55f5458b88c0c6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":306,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-29T16:30:16.924Z","text":"量刑前被发现司法欺诈，程序不正义，这种情况二巡也没遇到过吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ef2951e3e3230e53ab3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05badb55f5458b88c0c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ef2951e3e3230e53ab3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q22355674eb02fece70b9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":307,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-29T17:14:28.479Z","text":"司法欺诈的证据是做实的，二巡也不否认，但非要等到南蛆判了他们才管……","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05badb55f5458b88c0c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22355674eb02fece70b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05badb55f5458b88c0c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5a58a6a4e4d7fffda196","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":308,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-29T17:16:52.616Z","text":"他们的意思是，在没有量刑前，他们还是希望南区可以自己处理（“良心发现”）。二巡只有在确定地方法院完全失职的时候，才会介入。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q22355674eb02fece70b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a58a6a4e4d7fffda196","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22355674eb02fece70b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q41f4078fdf65a264653f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":309,"speaker":"yyy***","date":"2025-12-29T17:59:54.778Z","text":"目前情况是，二巡说南蛆判了我就上，南蛆说我不停的批准律师延期就是不判，检方说我要天天大喊赶紧判我可是正义的化身我要维护受害者的利益，律师说我还没搞明白必须延期，南蛆说嘿嘿正合我意，突然间几个受害者拍案而起，大骂你们都是骗子，都该受到法律的严惩🤣，哦，差点忘了路壳，他说我就是第三方来要钱的，你们打我看着。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5a58a6a4e4d7fffda196","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41f4078fdf65a264653f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a58a6a4e4d7fffda196","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa5b877d1ee03c3added2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":310,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-29T19:53:54.941Z","text":"https://x.com/JS50950381/status/2005726273713360986?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5b877d1ee03c3added2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3d1187215d74470fd42d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":311,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-30T04:07:30.477Z","text":"我用专业法学家的角度，把你这份文件用**“一句话结论 + 结构化表格 + 关键法律含义”给你讲清楚。这是一份法院已经生效的裁定（Order）**，不是意见，也不是草稿。\n\n⸻\n\n一句话结论（先看这个就够）\n\n法院判定：郭文贵破产案的第11章受托人胜诉，梅郭（Mei Guo）因违反禁令被认定藐视法庭，必须自掏腰包支付合计约 37.2 万美元的律师费和费用，而且是“立即生效、可强制执行”的。\n\n⸻\n\n文件基本信息（你在看什么）\n\n项目    内容\n法院    美国康涅狄格州联邦破产法院\n主案    郭文贵（Ho Wan Kwok）第11章破产案\n对抗案    Trustee v. Mei Guo（藐视法庭）\n文件性质    Order（裁定）\n文件编号    Adv. P. No. 23-05008，ECF No. 190\n裁定日期    2025-12-18\n生效方式    立即生效（immediately effective）\n\n📌 来源文件： \n\n⸻\n\n法院到底裁了什么（核心内容）\n\n1️⃣ 为什么要罚钱？\n    •    梅郭违反了法院此前发布的“临时禁令（Preliminary Injunction）”\n    •    受托人（Luc A. Despins）申请认定她藐视法庭（Contempt of Court）\n    •    法院已经认定藐视成立\n\n👉 所以：\n不是普通纠纷，而是“不听法院命令”的法律后果\n\n⸻\n\n2️⃣ 判她付多少钱？（重点）\n\n收款方    性质    金额（美元）\nPaul Hastings LLP    律师费    $358,839.00\nPaul Hastings LLP    费用    $4,466.99\nNeubert, Pepe & Monteith, P.C.    律师费    $8,584.00\n合计        $371,889.99\n\n📌 钱 必须由梅郭个人支付，不是破产财产、不是第三方。\n\n⸻\n\n3️⃣ 钱什么时候付？\n\n最晚付款日期：2026-01-30\n\n没写“如果不付怎么办”，但法律含义很清楚（见下）。\n\n⸻\n\n这份裁定的“法律威力”（非常重要）\n\n✅ 这是“最终可执行裁定”，不是建议\n\n文件第 6 点明确写了：\n\n“Notwithstanding … the terms of this Order shall be immediately effective and enforceable upon its entry.”\n\n意思是：\n    •    ❌ 不等上诉\n    •    ❌ 不等执行缓冲期\n    •    ❌ 不受常规破产程序暂停影响\n\n👉 立刻就能执行\n\n⸻\n\n✅ 如果她不付钱，会发生什么？\n\n虽然文件没逐条写，但根据联邦破产/藐视法庭惯例，可能包括：\n    1.    强制执行（writ / enforcement）\n    2.    进一步制裁（additional contempt sanctions）\n    3.    资产扣押 / 冻结\n    4.    转交其他法院执行\n\n这不是“民事纠纷欠款”，而是藐视法庭衍生的制裁性金钱义务。\n\n⸻\n\n和你关心的“受害人 / 资产 / 赔付”有什么关系？\n\n这一点很关键：\n    •    💡 这笔钱先进入“郭文贵破产财产（Estate）”\n    •    💡 然后再由破产财产转付给律师事务所\n    •    ❗ 不是赔给投资人、不是赔给受害者\n\n👉 结论是：\n这是“她违规 → 法院惩罚 → 补偿受托人执法成本”\n不是受害人分配方案的一部分。\n\n⸻\n\n总结一句“人话版”\n\n法院说：梅郭不听禁令，害得受托人花了大量律师费，这钱不能让破产财产或公众承担，必须她本人付，而且马上就能执行。\n\n⸻\n\n如果你愿意，下一步我可以帮你做三件事之一（你选）：\n\n1️⃣ 从受害人 / CVRA 角度，分析这类裁定对你主张权利有没有“旁证价值”\n2️⃣ 把这份 Order 转写成可用于动议/投诉/媒体说明的法律要点版\n3️⃣ 解释：为什么法院会“砍掉一部分律师费”，这对后续有什么信号意义\n\n你直接说 1 / 2 / 3 即可。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d1187215d74470fd42d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd466ff0d107c6cce9138","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":312,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T04:22:10.500Z","text":"https://x.com/ddivul8m3g82864/status/2005853775278264716?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd466ff0d107c6cce9138","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qb23ad6e94542bd81fb14","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":313,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T07:00:25.372Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2005896598589771951?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb23ad6e94542bd81fb14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4451e71333362ac3c51d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":314,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T07:17:10.134Z","text":"https://x.com/no3mos/status/2005745167333220758?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4451e71333362ac3c51d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa77238eb1e379e030b49","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":315,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-30T08:22:50.925Z","text":"按照这个说法，咱可以给二巡投诉南区不上传动议，可是二巡自己居然可以毫无压力的回绝咱。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05badb55f5458b88c0c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa77238eb1e379e030b49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05badb55f5458b88c0c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q06f43fe6822c0d220348","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":316,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-30T08:26:29.637Z","text":"这个没辙，美国架构的bug，它默认司法代表正义，所有人都在司法之下。其实都是人在做，是人就可能腐化堕落，而美国允许平民监督政府，却没给平民监督司法的权力。不知道这是美国先贤们百密一疏还是故意为之","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa77238eb1e379e030b49","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f43fe6822c0d220348","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa77238eb1e379e030b49","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q182bfd1186ddc25fe397","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":317,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T08:27:39.252Z","text":"我觉得瑞恩也找到了美国司法的bug","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06f43fe6822c0d220348","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q182bfd1186ddc25fe397","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f43fe6822c0d220348","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4d42f47317d338e1ed34","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":318,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-30T08:28:45.851Z","text":"希望这回能成功把司法也关进笼子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q182bfd1186ddc25fe397","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d42f47317d338e1ed34","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q182bfd1186ddc25fe397","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf1ccb9eb00d6a2c0dab6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":319,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T08:30:50.126Z","text":"是的 美国司法给平民其实留下了很多口子 只是机器人时代之前 大家不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d42f47317d338e1ed34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1ccb9eb00d6a2c0dab6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d42f47317d338e1ed34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe5f9e22930baf302b7eb","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":320,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-12-30T08:35:28.614Z","text":"司法工具化（武器化），也是美国内部，当下急需要面临和解决的问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d42f47317d338e1ed34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5f9e22930baf302b7eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d42f47317d338e1ed34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qfd5d51b90ef9d8d1df48","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":321,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T09:00:28.076Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  ［用户 chu***］  刑事案 破产案 哪一部分的钱 是重叠的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd5d51b90ef9d8d1df48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q2534c916718c93e3e8f5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":322,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T09:01:29.228Z","text":"luc花的钱 是战友投资的钱 具体是哪一份钱？是喜联储 还是gclub？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2534c916718c93e3e8f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc14118fdfdcdca017297","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":323,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-30T09:20:25.946Z","text":"​时间点 A：2024年1月19日（提交 Document 233 时）\n​在这个时间点，资产处于一种“双重冻结但互不隶属”的状态：\n​南区检方（SDNY）控制的资产：\n​现金大头： 喜马拉雅交易所（Himalaya Exchange）约 6.34亿美元。\n​银行账户： 21个涉案银行账户中的现金（包括汉密尔顿银行等）。\n​实物动产： Lady May 游艇、布加迪、法拉利等豪车。\n​状态： 这些被刑事扣押（Seized），理论上Luc碰不到，检方承诺要没收并返还给受害者。\n​破产受托人（Luc/Trustee）控制的资产：\n​企业实体（The Entities）： Luc控制的是公司的“壳”和股权（如 G-Clubs Operations LLC, Pangu Entities 等）。\n​房产（实物）： Mahwah 豪宅（新泽西大宅）。注意： 此时检方和Luc签了一个特例协议（Stipulation），允许Luc去维护和卖这个房子，钱以后再分。\n​办公用品/家具： 豪宅里的地毯、电视、床垫等。\n​状态： Luc正在向破产法院申请巨额费用来“管理”这些公司实体，并试图把检方扣押的钱“归入”破产财团（这也是被告当时反对的理由）。\n​灰色地带（Overlap/The Trap）：\n​虽然检方扣押了喜交易所的钱，但Luc控制了喜交易所的实体（公司）。Luc一直在动议说“我是这些公司的老板，我有权查账，我有权管理”。\n​关键矛盾： 检方在 Doc 233 里发誓说：“除了豪宅，我们和Luc没有任何其他协议。”“我们认为这些被扣押的资产不应该转移给破产财团。”\n​时间点 B：2024年8月11日（签署初步没收令 Document 720 时）\n​法律状态突变： 法院正式签署命令，确认上述检方扣押的资产（6.34亿、游艇、豪车、豪宅的政府权益）归美国政府所有。\n​你的困境： 虽然法律上归政府了，但检方在 Document 750 里说“什么时候执行是我的事，法院别管”。\n​后果： 检方**“占着茅坑不拉屎”**（拒绝执行交割）。这导致Luc可以继续以“配合政府调查”或“管理相关实体”为名，继续在破产案里烧钱。因为只要资产没有彻底划走变成“受害者赔偿基金”，Luc就能找理由从相关联的实体里收管理费。\n​2. Luc 与 司法部 (DOJ) 的关系：是否算“政府扣押”？\n​在二巡的论述中，你需要把这个关系说得非常精准，不要说“Luc是间谍”，要说**“行政上的利益冲突（Administrative Conflict of Interest）”**。\n​名义上： Luc 是 Chapter 11 Trustee，由**美国受托人（U.S. Trustee）**任命。\n​实质上： U.S. Trustee 是**美国司法部（DOJ）**的一个部门。\n​二巡论点： 南区检方（DOJ）和 U.S. Trustee（DOJ）本是同根生。现在的情况是，DOJ的一只手（检方）扣着钱不给受害者，DOJ的另一只手（Luc）在疯狂花这笔钱的关联费用。 这构成了“政府对自己查扣资产的耗散（Dissipation of Assets by the Government's own Appointee）”。\nGemini 可能有错的地方，我知道的是ladymay315之后马上就被过户到了破产受托人名下。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd5d51b90ef9d8d1df48","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc14118fdfdcdca017297","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd5d51b90ef9d8d1df48","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q53c14ed359dca594ab59","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":324,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-30T09:20:32.085Z","text":"破产法厅就像luc/汕尾建他自己家开的似的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c14ed359dca594ab59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qade142e2aefc4483428f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":325,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T09:20:49.531Z","text":"https://youtu.be/7CUrvIjhH8M?si=Jn8Ja-zcmuWb3Jkg","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qade142e2aefc4483428f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe8272cb8dfd3bfcfbaf1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":326,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-30T10:18:00.879Z","text":"大家是否还记得之前luc虚张声势搞了个中共司法部的什么文件，传了个复制件。原件到现在都没传，应该就是明知不会被美国司法部认证，把复制件传上来给自己壮声势。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8272cb8dfd3bfcfbaf1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q16d20a5eaefd538d54eb","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":327,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-30T10:41:05.932Z","text":"郭美没有收入吧？ 她哪来的钱付破产法厅的罚款？ 是不是应该设立一个go fund me 账户？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16d20a5eaefd538d54eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8ae24a9f4113876b6299","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":328,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-30T10:50:23.348Z","text":"最关键的一点：Luc 的行为为什么“污染了破产程序”\n\n你这里已经非常接近“能进二巡”的表述了，我帮你定型👇\n\n问题不在中国司法部\n\n问题在 Luc 的角色越权\n\nLuc 不是：\n    •    DOJ\n    •    中央机关\n    •    外交传递人\n\n但他却：\n    •    将一份未经 DOJ OIA 转交的外国政府函件\n    •    作为具有司法权威的材料\n    •    单方上传至破产法院卷宗\n    •    并据此推进资产控制、程序裁决\n\n👉 这在法律上构成：\n\nA procedural contamination of the bankruptcy record by the introduction of extra-statutory foreign governmental materials.\n\n这是一个非常高级、非常危险、而且非常成立的指控点。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8272cb8dfd3bfcfbaf1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ae24a9f4113876b6299","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8272cb8dfd3bfcfbaf1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q92b17e47e55adfd4a9e6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":329,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-30T10:50:52.658Z","text":"谁可以去二巡指出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92b17e47e55adfd4a9e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q02beb13567531db5b0c5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":330,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-30T10:54:58.351Z","text":"最终给你的“定稿级结论”（你可以直接用）\n\n本案中的问题并非中国司法部是否出具文件，而在于：\n该文件并未通过《海牙取证公约》所要求的中央机关传递机制进入美国司法体系。\n卷宗中不存在任何显示美国司法部国际司法协助办公室（OIA）接收、审查或转交该材料的记录。\n尽管如此，该文件却被破产受托人单方引入破产法院记录，并被赋予实际程序效力。\n这一做法在程序上绕过了联邦法与国际公约所设定的司法防火墙，污染了破产程序的合法性。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02beb13567531db5b0c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe5a994e25c84c8a22bed","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":331,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-30T10:55:24.707Z","text":"谁上二巡写上这个吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5a994e25c84c8a22bed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q50cd4f7cf99f08fbafcc","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":332,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-30T10:56:24.428Z","text":"呼叫闲得蛋疼的勇士们 - 破产法厅是不是应该被关注一下？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50cd4f7cf99f08fbafcc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa2017b0c627816aea679","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":333,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T15:18:39.628Z","text":"https://x.com/dDiVul8m3g82864/status/2006017649117901024?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2017b0c627816aea679","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qcfc87904c4b3a33d64ec","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":334,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T15:25:05.701Z","text":"https://x.com/dDiVul8m3g82864/status/2006017649117901024?s=19","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfc87904c4b3a33d64ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf78d9cb0eb89561cb376","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":335,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T15:27:19.963Z","text":"郭美就是个小白兔 但凡懂点法律 拿着733就上 luc在别的庭用破产庭的东西司法欺诈 不解释解释吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50cd4f7cf99f08fbafcc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf78d9cb0eb89561cb376","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50cd4f7cf99f08fbafcc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc3da50d6de1190939a97","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":336,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-30T15:33:54.753Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]😁\n\n她是不是听律师的？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf78d9cb0eb89561cb376","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3da50d6de1190939a97","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf78d9cb0eb89561cb376","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q09941d2e6b41446d96f4","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":337,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T15:34:11.129Z","text":"听律师的不至于藐视法庭吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc3da50d6de1190939a97","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09941d2e6b41446d96f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3da50d6de1190939a97","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qceaca3818b9a7be7edff","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":338,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T15:35:13.280Z","text":"刑事庭松动了我们才能打破产庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceaca3818b9a7be7edff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q77f17e3fa5adb1090b1d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":339,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-30T15:35:41.418Z","text":"嗯 这个思路对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77f17e3fa5adb1090b1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q033ac426e52290f8fa82","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":340,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-30T15:36:32.770Z","text":"律师害人呐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q033ac426e52290f8fa82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa0721b277f063d04c344","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":341,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-30T15:37:40.347Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]一定听联盟律师的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0721b277f063d04c344","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3aa9bdce8a1c431534e8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":342,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-30T15:40:17.114Z","text":"那没救了 - 我的GTV 对钱时自己申请的，拿回来了 据说联盟律师张勇兵打理的 现在还没拿回来钱？ 他拿不回来钱，要他代理干什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aa9bdce8a1c431534e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe03f5199b0f42c420d67","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":343,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-30T15:40:28.738Z","text":"是蠢兔子，她爹不是让大家要用AI吗？她都没听进去，就知道在爱一帆上看盗版电影","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe03f5199b0f42c420d67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q679e9e2368f7ebb0a447","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":344,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-30T15:53:30.675Z","text":"那个盖特不一定是郭美吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe03f5199b0f42c420d67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q679e9e2368f7ebb0a447","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe03f5199b0f42c420d67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4b0a7650ba614bc514d0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":345,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-30T17:36:11.025Z","text":"路克已经不敢来要钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41f4078fdf65a264653f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b0a7650ba614bc514d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41f4078fdf65a264653f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6cd897a5d44c3827e460","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":346,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T17:51:51.318Z","text":"瑞恩二巡的信上传了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cd897a5d44c3827e460","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4eba2848fba67ccc2ae6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":347,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T18:01:18.381Z","text":"美国第二巡回上诉法院  \n案件：25-2726  \nSDNY案件：1:23-CR-118-1 (AT)  \n事由：Ryan Bai（真实姓名：Ranyue Bai），请愿人  \n\n关于告知法院与先前扩大补充调卷令请愿书相关的近期进展的信函  \n\n致第二巡回上诉法院书记官及尊敬的法官阁下：  \n\n本人谨以此信支持本人于2025年12月22日提交并已入卷的《扩大补充调卷令请愿书》（案件25-2726，卷宗第26号，附件D）。本信仅旨在向法院通报与待审调卷令审查相关的地区法院近期进展，包括2025年12月22日地区法院发布的命令（SDNY卷宗第782号）以及一项与之相关的请愿前卷宗进展，该进展反映了地区法院对非被告第三方提交材料的处理方式（SDNY卷宗第777号），并解释这些进展与本法院当前审理问题的相关性。  \n\n本人提交本信仅为告知法院这一介入性进展及其与法院正在进行的调卷令审查的相关性。本人不通过本信寻求额外救济，并完全尊重法院对其是否考虑的裁量权。  \n\n地区法院的命令本身还有另一层与本法院调卷令审查相关的重大意义。该命令明确考虑任命一名特别主管（special master）来管理第三方权利主张，从而承认其在常规司法框架内及时、中立地处理非被告第三方利益的能力已出现崩溃。这一承认证实了本人先前调卷令指控——即在处理第三方受害人提交材料方面存在系统性失灵——并非推测性或假设性的。相反，地区法院现在通过其自身命令明确承认，其现有程序已证明不足以应对本案中产生的第三方权利主张的数量、复杂性或敏感性。  \n\n2025年12月22日的命令考虑可能任命一名特别主管，以处理与没收管理相关的某些第三方权利主张。本人不质疑地区法院管理附属没收程序的权力。然而，该命令并未涉及法院根据《犯罪受害人权利法案》（“CVRA”），18 U.S.C. § 3771所承担的独立、强制且不可委托的义务。具体而言，该命令并未处理包含本人个人身份信息的未删节版本备案材料继续公开可用的问题，包括卷宗第765号——这一问题已在待审的《扩大调卷令请愿书》中明确提出。截至本信日期，该备案材料仍可公开访问。由此对受CVRA保护的受害人造成的损害是持续的且不可挽回的。  \n\n尽管《扩大补充请愿书》中已明确提出相关问题，但2025年12月22日的命令并未采取任何行动来补救受害人信息的持续披露，也未减轻相关的隐私和安全风险。从实际效果看，该命令未解决提交给本法院的CVRA违规问题，而是将注意力转移到无法替代地区法院自身法定受害人保护义务的附属行政机制上。  \n\n2025年12月22日的命令还必须结合地区法院此前关于妨碍司法的认定进行评估。正如本人在《扩大调卷令请愿书》中详述，法院曾以被告支持者暴露破产受托人及相关个人的私人地址和个人信息为由拒绝保释（SDNY卷宗第7、26、51号），这一理由后来得到本法院的确认（SDNY卷宗第87号）。在此背景下，卷宗第765号未经授权的公开入卷——暴露了本人并包含本人未删节的家庭住址和个人信息——使本人面临此前已被认定的报复风险。其持续公开造成了持续损害，并污染了地区法院妨碍司法认定以及本法院上诉审查所依据的程序记录。2025年12月22日的命令并未解决这一不一致；将重点转向未来针对没收权利主张的特别主管，未能处理持续披露问题，也无法替代地区法院保护受害人信息的即时、不可委托的义务。  \n\n先前卷宗进展显示对非被告受害人的差别对待：  \n2025年12月17日，地区法院入卷了ECF第777号，即一位由律师代理的非被告投资人受害人根据21 U.S.C. § 853(n)提交的请愿书，该请愿人寻求对没收资产中的财产利益进行裁决。该材料被迅速接受并在卷宗中公开。由之对比，多份由受CVRA保护的受害人提交的材料 либо未被入卷，要么长期未获处理。这种差异并非源于行政能力不足。第853(n)条请愿人与CVRA受害人均为非被告，均基于同一犯罪行为主张受法律保护的权益。然而，地区法院对第853(n)条权利人提供了完整的程序准入和卷宗可见性，而基于CVRA寻求免受持续伤害保护的提交材料则仍未获补救。这种差别对待反映了对没收管理权利主张的系统性优先，而置强制性受害人保护义务于次要地位。  \n\n接受ECF第777号的事实证实，地区法院在愿意时完全有能力入卷非被告受害人材料。在本法院介入后，继续未能入卷、处理或补救基于CVRA的提交材料，证实问题不在于延误，而在于选择性执行准入和保护。  \n\n因此，这些近期进展进一步强化了如下表明：有必要授予《扩大调卷令》救济，以制止持续的法定违规，恢复受害人之间的平等，并确保提交给本法院的问题在完整且未受污染的程序记录基础上得到审查。  \n\n谨上  \nRyan Bai  \n2025年12月23日","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4eba2848fba67ccc2ae6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q7bc53efdb14a8db76a11","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":348,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T18:47:54.594Z","text":"这份文件是一封法律告知函 (Letter)，由请愿人 Ryan Bai（又名 Ranyue Bai）于 2025 年 12 月 23 日提交给美国联邦第二巡回上诉法院 。\n\n\n\n这封信的主要目的是告知上诉法院，在等待“扩大补充强制执行令申请”（Expanded Supplemental Mandamus Petition）审理期间，地方法院出现了一些新的进展，请愿人认为这些进展支持了他此前的诉求 。\n\n\n以下是对该文件的核心内容解读：\n\n1. 核心争议：地方法院被指“系统性失灵”\n\n特别主事官 (Special Master) 的任命：地方法院在 2025 年 12 月 22 日的一份命令中，考虑任命一名“特别主事官”来处理第三方索赔 。请愿人认为，这一举动等同于承认地方法院现有的程序已无法及时、中立地处理非被告第三方的利益 。\n\n\n\n\n无法通过普通框架解决：请愿人指出，地方法院承认了其现有程序在处理本案第三方索赔的复杂性、敏感性或数量方面是不够的 。\n\n2. 隐私泄露与《犯罪受害者权利法》(CVRA) 违规\n个人信息泄露：文件中强调，包含请愿人未加密个人信息（包括家庭住址）的案卷（Dkt. 765）目前仍处于公开状态 。\n\n\n\n\n地方法院未能履职：请愿人认为地方法院违反了《犯罪受害者权利法》（CVRA）项下的强制性义务，没有采取行动补救或减少相关的隐私和安全风险 。\n\n\n\n安全风险：请愿人指出，法院此前曾因被告支持者泄露他人隐私地址而拒绝保释，但现在却允许请愿人的地址公开，这存在程序不一致和报复性风险 。\n\n\n3. 指控“差别待遇” (Disparate Treatment)\n文件对比了两类非被告方的待遇，以此证明地方法院存在选择性处理：\n\n受到优待的投资者：2025 年 12 月 17 日，一名非被告投资者受害者的申请（Dkt. 777）被迅速受理并公开 。\n\n\n\n被忽视的受害者：相比之下，多份由 CVRA 保护的受害者的提交文件却未被归档或长期未得到处理 。\n\n\n结论：请愿人认为这反映了地方法院优先考虑“没收资产管理”的行政索赔，而忽视了法定的“受害者保护”义务 。\n\n\n4. 请愿人的最终诉求\n请愿人提交此信是为了加强其此前的论点，即强制执行令 (Mandamus) 是必要的，目的是：\n\n停止正在发生的法定违规行为（即隐私泄露） 。\n\n恢复受害者之间的公平待遇 。\n\n确保上诉法院在完整且未受污染的程序记录基础上进行审查 。\n\n您是否需要我为您详细解释其中提到的特定法律术语（如 Mandamus 或 CVRA），或者协助您起草相关的法律跟进文件？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc53efdb14a8db76a11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q867fefc29b9b86a3e8df","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":349,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-30T19:56:55.300Z","text":"托雷斯让检方解释853n和remission的区别，还让检方自己说有么有解决争议的办法，这就是把烫手山药扔给了检方：我已经把受害者降级到853了啊，剩下的你来解释吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q867fefc29b9b86a3e8df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa73f59807d574e2addfd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":350,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-30T20:34:02.360Z","text":"［用户 uku***］ 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[删节：隐私信息] 离开了 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**。希望他一路走好。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5748aaef01f4a8b98dcf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q86ac5ace5dfa6582d698","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":361,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-30T21:58:10.908Z","text":"我觉得他的问题在于太乐观了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q59a7231f8e5e355c293c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86ac5ace5dfa6582d698","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59a7231f8e5e355c293c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q56d72a259f9d8fb8e940","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":362,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-30T21:59:13.835Z","text":"除非你击碎他的幻想，不然这种人不会有任何行动的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56d72a259f9d8fb8e940","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qdf03219c5dff4330b71a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":363,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T22:07:12.308Z","text":"我觉得螺丝哥的操逼比喻 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才是真正的重头戏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d60debd300ea0e4bc18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc2653aa4d6ba1d09a8ab","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":372,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-30T23:19:17.557Z","text":"👆 瑞恩怎么这么多迷弟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2653aa4d6ba1d09a8ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf7d9621283a69ddb2e3c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":373,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-30T23:20:02.071Z","text":"我是瑞恩观察者😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc2653aa4d6ba1d09a8ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7d9621283a69ddb2e3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2653aa4d6ba1d09a8ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8c91349b4e72ddeff568","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":374,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-30T23:20:03.025Z","text":"虽然瑞恩已经离开江湖，江湖还留下他的传说😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c91349b4e72ddeff568","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd60626e8c13700429c44","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":375,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T00:58:12.074Z","text":"［用户 him***］  Malinda正式宣告废了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd60626e8c13700429c44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9321c1b99293a7ee99fc","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":376,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T01:02:21.206Z","text":"这玩意应该是“七哥来电”之类的东西吧。怎么可能跟它们连线！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd60626e8c13700429c44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9321c1b99293a7ee99fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd60626e8c13700429c44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8115b8aabe61e8358a6d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":377,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:07:25.509Z","text":"如果郭的新律师不提700文件上的东西，就是无效辩护，和老律师一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd60626e8c13700429c44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8115b8aabe61e8358a6d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd60626e8c13700429c44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa75c0a49d4e3065b95f3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":378,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T01:07:49.750Z","text":"管它真的假的，把这个作为证据，被告律师与涉嫌共谋犯做节目，进一步污染了程序，涉嫌进一步协助rico诈骗犯继续诈骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa75c0a49d4e3065b95f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1dc93b5a249c533e624f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":379,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:12:11.130Z","text":"还真连线了 哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9321c1b99293a7ee99fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dc93b5a249c533e624f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9321c1b99293a7ee99fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5e3e36bd2da04f94d091","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":380,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:12:19.570Z","text":"干扰司法 藐视法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa75c0a49d4e3065b95f3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e3e36bd2da04f94d091","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa75c0a49d4e3065b95f3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q46f8e89fef72aa0b8c48","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":381,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:13:19.205Z","text":"看这架势 联盟应该是去止损了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8115b8aabe61e8358a6d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46f8e89fef72aa0b8c48","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8115b8aabe61e8358a6d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q247dc0dabafff84eecf4","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":382,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:13:32.499Z","text":"律师千万不能被第三方主导","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247dc0dabafff84eecf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5b6905af4d930920399e","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":383,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T01:18:33.959Z","text":"意思是： 联盟去止血，防止郭律师被第三方主导，？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q247dc0dabafff84eecf4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b6905af4d930920399e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247dc0dabafff84eecf4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q977f7cae75e5d2082365","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":384,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:19:33.015Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b6905af4d930920399e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q977f7cae75e5d2082365","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b6905af4d930920399e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qfd635753903094cd660b","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":385,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:19:36.797Z","text":"我觉得是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd635753903094cd660b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa8be1e3cb9734d2c5144","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":386,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:20:20.069Z","text":"郭律师看起来没有很高兴的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd635753903094cd660b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8be1e3cb9734d2c5144","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd635753903094cd660b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8795c1336baf70a39ad5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":387,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:20:47.433Z","text":"而且就说了一句，也不知道他们到底是不是自愿的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8795c1336baf70a39ad5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qed066a363e819063ebca","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":388,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:21:23.727Z","text":"这些不重要，重要的是他们最后提不提700文件上的那些事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed066a363e819063ebca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q197bbe8659d8d7a271a1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":389,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:21:34.766Z","text":"刚被老郭骂了一顿？哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8be1e3cb9734d2c5144","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q197bbe8659d8d7a271a1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8be1e3cb9734d2c5144","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qcc905d50380b344dfba3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":390,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:21:36.979Z","text":"不提的话，就和老律师团队没有区别","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc905d50380b344dfba3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q40fff8ad6624d59039c5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":391,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T01:22:17.815Z","text":"现在有些谬论是： 作为投资人，你现在千万别用CVRA 作为受害人上庭，因为去了，就做实了老郭犯罪的事实，就是老郭的受害人，就是给老郭填乱。你如果什么都不做，就对老郭有利 - 这应该是联盟对投资人的说法。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40fff8ad6624d59039c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q592285041ef9548fdd05","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":392,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:22:38.284Z","text":"哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40fff8ad6624d59039c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q592285041ef9548fdd05","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40fff8ad6624d59039c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q76f932b414c9cc26f196","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":393,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:23:10.358Z","text":"忽悠法盲 这招确实很好使","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40fff8ad6624d59039c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76f932b414c9cc26f196","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40fff8ad6624d59039c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6b2804df326069ea9fa6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":394,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T01:25:32.085Z","text":"再加上懒惰，所以这些人就有借口什么都不做 - 因为联盟的人说了做了就是害老郭。\n\n事实上他们稍稍用点脑子，就可以知道： 我作为投资人，检方说我是受害人，我如果什么都不做，那就是默认检方的说辞了 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