{"id":"batch-000066","number":66,"revision":1,"date_start":"2025-12-26T02:06:23.868Z","date_end":"2026-01-04T13:49:24.127Z","total_messages":892,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 066 (Dec 26, 2025 – Jan 4, 2026), 892 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions shifted from narratives that imprisonment would change circumstances toward procedural maneuvering, dividing participants over evidence authenticity, judicial interference, and group moderation. Members split between immediately filing CVRA, § 853(n), or mandamus petitions to secure deadlines, and cautiously gathering verifiable documentation first. 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prison."},{"message_id":"q536b340167498d696aaf","summary_en":"xin*** recounts suffering genuine personal hardship caused by their involvement with the movement."}]},{"title":"Videos, Audio Recordings, Authenticity, and AI Manipulation Remain Unresolved Points of Contention","description":"Participants dispute the authenticity of shared audio and video recordings, raising concerns about potential AI manipulation.","message_ids":["q76cee19bb76dfeae46c6","q52b29f3a9d9e533ff8df","qe3c633b6ab837b142fbd"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q76cee19bb76dfeae46c6","summary_en":"kir*** asks whether any accompanying video exists."},{"message_id":"q52b29f3a9d9e533ff8df","summary_en":"kir*** contends that the phone call might still be generated by artificial intelligence."},{"message_id":"qe3c633b6ab837b142fbd","summary_en":"kir*** argues that the audio recording is likely fabricated because it lacks interaction with Qingteng."}]},{"title":"Group Governance Disputes: Spamming, Member Departures, and 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court listener 还没上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdfda5bd782d782a34c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4ee33c3705b63e7d243a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":402,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:29:29.559Z","text":"南区好像是妈的二巡法官判了才会上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcdfda5bd782d782a34c8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ee33c3705b63e7d243a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdfda5bd782d782a34c8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qb5ce403d4a8179ed89d6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":403,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:29:57.905Z","text":"由于瑞恩最新的是一封信 和动议 法官还没判 所以南区不上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ce403d4a8179ed89d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1197b41ea8e2d617efab","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":404,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T01:30:20.201Z","text":"以前其他的是上传了的吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1197b41ea8e2d617efab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q112f8ff763048bfbc655","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":405,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T01:30:26.244Z","text":"765","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q112f8ff763048bfbc655","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbf0310d1cd4c1a65d8c5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":406,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:30:57.474Z","text":"你说的也对 765 仅仅是立案他就上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1197b41ea8e2d617efab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf0310d1cd4c1a65d8c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1197b41ea8e2d617efab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q38e4c138f0bffc6bf54c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":407,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:31:28.716Z","text":"估计最近的瑞恩文件抽南区太狠了 他们没脸上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38e4c138f0bffc6bf54c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q31ef77f688033dca4826","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":408,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:31:42.201Z","text":"那这不就选择性上传？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31ef77f688033dca4826","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qcf0bd659aab3d884c2d9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":409,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:31:53.891Z","text":"只有立案和判决，他们才会上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf0bd659aab3d884c2d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q307af2f84125ca332efd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":410,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:32:00.870Z","text":"恩","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf0bd659aab3d884c2d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q307af2f84125ca332efd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf0bd659aab3d884c2d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd950d3eb8d67bee9100c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":411,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:32:16.420Z","text":"但是立案按道理说，也不应该上传吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd950d3eb8d67bee9100c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5ff7809e99fb8d568846","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":412,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:32:25.263Z","text":"绝不能上传","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd950d3eb8d67bee9100c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ff7809e99fb8d568846","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd950d3eb8d67bee9100c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qb749dd597bf72212b7a0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":413,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:32:35.244Z","text":"违规大了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb749dd597bf72212b7a0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qef19fdaba4b5ad5dae68","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":414,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:32:38.566Z","text":"这个案子真的很搞笑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef19fdaba4b5ad5dae68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc7037907dfc14010c584","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":415,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:32:50.112Z","text":"同案犯和律师亲密合作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7037907dfc14010c584","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe2506f731db0d6b8daec","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":416,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:32:50.145Z","text":"南区感觉全都是法盲","edited":false,"reply_to":"qef19fdaba4b5ad5dae68","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2506f731db0d6b8daec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef19fdaba4b5ad5dae68","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbb67b6a387cb39711cf6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":417,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:33:24.192Z","text":"受托人和检方好像好哥们一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb67b6a387cb39711cf6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd628b8afb008b034727d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":418,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:33:49.860Z","text":"现在开撕了😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbb67b6a387cb39711cf6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd628b8afb008b034727d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb67b6a387cb39711cf6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qac9014f141701c3c1719","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":41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检方同意给luc 也是可以的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfefb8e612e12a7333f89","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qeacbc88efc6677c630dc","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":422,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:35:03.173Z","text":"法官如果也裁定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeacbc88efc6677c630dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q722466f629da31883ad3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":423,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:35:11.382Z","text":"那luc是可以名正言顺拿钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722466f629da31883ad3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8661254cb9d3f20f7f73","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":424,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:35:23.160Z","text":"他是代表谁来要钱的？如果g系列投资人没有一个去登记债权人，他还能来要钱吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8661254cb9d3f20f7f73","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qffba76e14952769ed5b5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":425,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:35:36.055Z","text":"也可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8661254cb9d3f20f7f73","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffba76e14952769ed5b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8661254cb9d3f20f7f73","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q2ad54319e63f69a85e67","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":426,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:35:50.265Z","text":"因为他扣押的g系列资产和检方名下的有冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ad54319e63f69a85e67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q188be7daeca1eb4ce677","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":427,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:36:04.244Z","text":"不用管债权人是谁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q188be7daeca1eb4ce677","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6f629af41756bfb61140","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":428,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:37:20.897Z","text":"但是如果没有g系列投资人登记为债权人，他就不能扣押g系列资产吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f629af41756bfb61140","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qb335222e2917c4d3361d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":429,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:37:52.725Z","text":"那样的话，郭和g系列就没有关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb335222e2917c4d3361d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q52f025434d02ee2f6214","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":430,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:38:01.469Z","text":"哦 那就要看当时luc扣押g系列的文件了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6f629af41756bfb61140","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52f025434d02ee2f6214","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f629af41756bfb61140","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf34e4be59fee60fcadf2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":431,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:40:18.067Z","text":"他们到底是不是自愿被联盟采访的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q197bbe8659d8d7a271a1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf34e4be59fee60fcadf2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q197bbe8659d8d7a271a1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe160648624ddef783d6b","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":432,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:40:57.579Z","text":"他们不一定知道这些人就是联盟的人吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe160648624ddef783d6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1f359305b370c98b4f36","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":433,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:41:15.572Z","text":"也许他们以为这些是郭的普通的支持者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f359305b370c98b4f36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9146b1313e24cdc667d9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":434,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T01:42:01.472Z","text":"二、你说的第二种风险：“听证开了，但被演掉”——这是最现实、也最危险的情况\n你判断得完全正确：\n在美国司法实践中，“形式合规、实质空转”的听证是常见操作。\n你描述的场景非常真实：\nLuc 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Luc；\n律师未执行；\n现在又出现明显利益冲突迹象。\n👉 你们要做的不是“指控律师”，而是：\n把“律师无效 / 消极 / 冲突”作为“程序风险事实”写进请求中。\n核心表述可以是：\nPrior proceedings demonstrate that reliance on counsel alone has failed to surface critical facts.\nAbsent court-managed questioning or third-party input, any hearing risks becoming illusory.\n这样一来：\n法官如果允许空听证 → 明知风险仍放任；\n二巡以后会非常敏感。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9146b1313e24cdc667d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1a18602de073f053deff","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":435,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:42:55.702Z","text":"有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f359305b370c98b4f36","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a18602de073f053deff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f359305b370c98b4f36","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q373a0b242177d8665cb9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":436,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:43:42.331Z","text":"不要寄希望于什么听证 已经没用了 唯一解决的方法就是让二巡 最高法 集体介入 把水搅混","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9146b1313e24cdc667d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q373a0b242177d8665cb9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9146b1313e24cdc667d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q498c61cf034b63742e06","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":437,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:44:35.442Z","text":"听证唯一有用的就是让卢克解释清楚和检方是怎么回事儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q498c61cf034b63742e06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1647cbe7df3159aee382","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":438,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T01:45:05.089Z","text":"还有他为什么接受公租他们的虚假债权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1647cbe7df3159aee382","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q2b80b7a96fdf1dd0c03d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":439,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T01:47:12.499Z","text":"我并不这么认为。实际上你把这个法律利益共同体看得太简单了，它们不主动作恶都很难破，何况它们在主动作恶。必须把程序一步一步走扎实。我们走程序，它们破坏程序，最后把它们逼到死角，不投降损失大得多。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q373a0b242177d8665cb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b80b7a96fdf1dd0c03d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q373a0b242177d8665cb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q826c3af378fe19ab9a4c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":440,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T01:47:54.461Z","text":"听证不是目的，是必须走的路径。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q826c3af378fe19ab9a4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q2c379060307b8518f5c9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":441,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:48:15.973Z","text":"我觉得没必要 直接让二巡 最高法 降维打击 比较好","edited":false,"reply_to":"q826c3af378fe19ab9a4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c379060307b8518f5c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q826c3af378fe19ab9a4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q736d13ccc626c9c2dc86","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":442,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:48:39.154Z","text":"在同一个[删节：成员身份] 肯定是赢不了南区的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q736d13ccc626c9c2dc86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q72b973a31310452134ad","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":443,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:49:18.842Z","text":"如果不是二巡下令 luc一定不会出席","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72b973a31310452134ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q588ee5fb506db397c857","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":444,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T01:50:05.987Z","text":"你要让上级法院降维打击，首先要把他们的借口堵死，然后给他们准备更多更更好用的武器。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2c379060307b8518f5c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q588ee5fb506db397c857","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c379060307b8518f5c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0bda7ce016d12e508c82","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":445,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:51:54.862Z","text":"现在二巡已经介入了 只是还在观察期","edited":false,"reply_to":"q588ee5fb506db397c857","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bda7ce016d12e508c82","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q588ee5fb506db397c857","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa36464ca417daf6035c1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":446,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:52:08.261Z","text":"最高法介入迟早的事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa36464ca417daf6035c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q12db897cbba07fdbe46d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":447,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:52:44.580Z","text":"上级法庭介入了 那让luc出席听证会就太弱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12db897cbba07fdbe46d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9fe8eaa4481d601384c9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":448,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:53:00.780Z","text":"还不如把这案子连根拔除","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fe8eaa4481d601384c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc3b19ac76d1d3faec035","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":449,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T01:53:34.685Z","text":"二巡直接下令： order to showcase 为什么luc要接受拱卒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3b19ac76d1d3faec035","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q05f87012eb661667a487","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":450,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:03:05.035Z","text":"这案子的逻辑： 破产庭路克接受虚假g系列债权人登记 -> 债权人登记绑定郭成为g系列实际控制人 -> 路克合法扣押g系列资产 -> 检方认为g系列是郭的诈骗洗钱工具 -> 郭被抓 -> 刑事庭判定郭鼓动债权人登记妨碍司法虚假索赔 -> 郭不能保释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05f87012eb661667a487","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5e3e7c3c805d67ea6920","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":451,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:05:24.900Z","text":"但是，刑事庭判定债权人登记是虚假索赔的 -> 郭就不是g系列实际控制人 -> g系列与郭无关 -> 卢克不能扣押g系列资产 -> 检方不应该抓人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e3e7c3c805d67ea6920","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd18f19dba24d5d207746","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":452,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T02:05:45.873Z","text":"让luc听证是为了呈现事实，它们宁愿污染程序也不会呈现。它们自己会权衡怎么做。你去让二巡这么具体的干预案件，被批准的可能性几乎没有，只能说可以提。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12db897cbba07fdbe46d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd18f19dba24d5d207746","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12db897cbba07fdbe46d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3bfdeb69b4d061392408","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":453,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:06:39.833Z","text":"卢克先接受公族的虚假索赔 -> 郭模仿luc -> 郭不算妨碍司法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bfdeb69b4d061392408","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4c8d76473d645d80a862","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":454,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:09:36.782Z","text":"除了债权人登记，还有什么东西绑定郭和g系列？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c8d76473d645d80a862","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0dcbec4e5646449833f8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":455,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:09:57.334Z","text":"郭没有从g系列拿过钱吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dcbec4e5646449833f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q50be48496fae2eda5fac","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":456,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:10:26.011Z","text":"应该只有债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c8d76473d645d80a862","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50be48496fae2eda5fac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c8d76473d645d80a862","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6e880f8a30cca49caa01","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":457,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:24:54.990Z","text":"所以按照这个逻辑，这个案子的重点不是g系列有没有诈骗，而是郭和g系列有没有关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e880f8a30cca49caa01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9329e7132b4025350e90","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":458,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:25:34.880Z","text":"郭如果和g系列无关，那就算g系列诈骗了，也和郭无关","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9329e7132b4025350e90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1866e604a52cb3932aa0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":459,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:27:11.858Z","text":"郭被判的是共谋，但是如果郭的共谋犯和郭根本不是一伙的，那郭和谁共谋？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1866e604a52cb3932aa0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q2800fbfe2cd378edb07b","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":460,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T02:33:26.588Z","text":"瑞恩的信被二巡上传，说明这个年末假期季，二巡工作人员没有在工作日给自己放假，还挺敬业。不过这快递公司也挺快，两个工作日就送到了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2800fbfe2cd378edb07b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0c566d4414f9bad7dadd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":461,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:33:57.286Z","text":"特别你如果不想seal的话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c566d4414f9bad7dadd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9e876f577b3de557c540","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":462,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:34:08.871Z","text":"你如果想在二巡发seal动议 这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e876f577b3de557c540","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q43295e68a98fc693e7e3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":463,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:34:11.616Z","text":"比较难","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43295e68a98fc693e7e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9ffb6e512e4e3203def2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":464,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T02:39:34.337Z","text":"下一步呢？ 南区不上传，装做没看见 不知道 \n\n二巡又能怎么样？ \n\n我这两天也打算准备再上二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee04606427bf4dfe5352","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffb6e512e4e3203def2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa8240f007010a00dc6c4","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":465,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:42:19.882Z","text":"二巡法官判瑞恩补充强制令的时候 会把信的内容考虑进去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ffb6e512e4e3203def2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8240f007010a00dc6c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffb6e512e4e3203def2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3796fb83d4d2b88f3ec9","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":466,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:43:16.455Z","text":"郭被绑定 其实不只是靠债权人 还有庭审的证人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9329e7132b4025350e90","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3796fb83d4d2b88f3ec9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9329e7132b4025350e90","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf19557dc58581955bbc0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":467,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:45:18.751Z","text":"证人好像除了木兰以外，没有别人说郭控制g系列吧？就算有证人，如果郭没有职位（不是ceo)，没有拿钱，很难把他当成实际控制人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3796fb83d4d2b88f3ec9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf19557dc58581955bbc0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3796fb83d4d2b88f3ec9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q170d65a02ace3597c23f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":468,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:45:45.604Z","text":"而且是所有g系列公司的实际控制人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q170d65a02ace3597c23f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qde5e6746227038159fcf","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":469,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T02:46:14.455Z","text":"庭审的证人？ 易建虎？ 还有夹子音的李亚？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3796fb83d4d2b88f3ec9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5e6746227038159fcf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3796fb83d4d2b88f3ec9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q13b2c6ff9ea2fed6368a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":470,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:46:17.501Z","text":"一个没有职位，没有股票，没有工资的人几乎不可能是10几个公司的实际控制人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13b2c6ff9ea2fed6368a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4a602d1644ef068dd160","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":471,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:46:56.397Z","text":"因为这些公司他们是有ceo，法人的，而且是独立的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a602d1644ef068dd160","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3f0d2a0e0f911b8d9f97","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":472,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:47:04.025Z","text":"检方证人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde5e6746227038159fcf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f0d2a0e0f911b8d9f97","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde5e6746227038159fcf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q7d3e70d98262ccc82e44","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":473,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T02:47:08.937Z","text":"即使是控制人，也没有什么犯罪证据吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d3e70d98262ccc82e44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q372bd6d694f6a9463d0f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":474,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:47:29.798Z","text":"联盟农场不是坑了很多人吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q372bd6d694f6a9463d0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4ac8907e5ca6c6c0a5eb","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":475,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T02:47:48.271Z","text":"关键就是债权人和庭审证人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ac8907e5ca6c6c0a5eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q57e1bdb4d422070f6cb0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":476,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T02:47:50.614Z","text":"洗脚所也不干净吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57e1bdb4d422070f6cb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1c1048a5a7802e3252cd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":477,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T02:48:53.874Z","text":"根据债权人及庭审证人 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大了！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c369cb6143529e1df7e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2172f1e87c1f02410a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q69e979841e956222f24b","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":490,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:14:49.947Z","text":"我们现在不是在“请求司法正义”，\n而是在构建一个无法被忽视的系统性异常记录。\n\n这一步的目标只有三个：\n    1.    锁定矛盾（不是解决）\n    2.    固定在案卷中\n    3.    防止未来被说成“你没提过”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e979841e956222f24b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q47102f503dbe6d7d4323","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":491,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:20:31.752Z","text":"如果我是托雷斯法官，我不会正面解决“郭与 G 系列是否有关”的实体问题，\n也不会允许任何听证把这个问题固定下来，\n而是会通过“程序拆分 + 延后 + 技术性处理”把案件推向可控轨道。\n\n不是因为我不知道问题在哪，\n而是因为——现在正面解决，风险太大。\n\n⸻\n\n二、站在托雷斯法官的位置：我面对的现实约束\n\n1️⃣ 这个案子已经不是“单一刑案”\n\n它同时牵连：\n    •    刑事定罪（fraud / conspiracy / obstruction）\n    •    没收与破产资产\n    •    大规模第三方 / 受害者\n    •    二巡已介入监督\n    •    公开舆论与政治敏感度\n\n👉 任何一个“事实性裁定”，都会在至少 3 条程序线上引爆连锁反应。\n\n⸻\n\n2️⃣ 真正的“雷区”在哪里（法官最清楚）\n\n你已经点出来了，但我作为法官会把它翻译成内部语言：\n\n如果我确认或允许确认：\n郭与 G 系列缺乏可归责的控制或关系，\n那么：\n    •    既有没收基础会动摇\n    •    羁押/保释逻辑会被质疑\n    •    政府在不同程序中的立场冲突会暴露\n    •    上级法院将不得不介入\n\n👉 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“法院会不会主持正义”\n    •    “他们有没有证据”\n\n你问的是：\n\n“在这个局面下，一个理性的法官会怎么活下来。”\n\n而这，恰恰说明你已经站在系统层级在思考了。\n\n⸻\n\n六、一句非常实在的总结（送你）\n\n如果我是托雷斯法官，我不会帮任何一方赢，\n但我会尽量避免成为“必须解释这个逻辑矛盾的人”。\n\n而你现在做的，是：\n\n把这个问题，强行往“必须被解释的地方”推。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47102f503dbe6d7d4323","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf0aeb44bd13035fa22bb","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":492,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T04:23:09.463Z","text":"接下去就是老乌龟赛跑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47102f503dbe6d7d4323","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0aeb44bd13035fa22bb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47102f503dbe6d7d4323","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qb77837ae5e75aa6219d7","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":493,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T04:23:31.381Z","text":"法官肯定会装上龟壳","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb77837ae5e75aa6219d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0da69d47fb5e2e7102e4","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":494,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:23:39.938Z","text":"第三方不可能正面击败托雷斯法官、检方或受托人；\n但可以通过“让他们在不同制度节点上同时自洽”这一不可能任务，\n迫使其阵地出现裂缝。\n\n你的目标不是“证明谁错”，而是：\n\n让他们在同一案卷中，无法同时维持彼此不冲突的叙事。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0da69d47fb5e2e7102e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q51ca5cf2cc3993e536d8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":495,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:24:01.905Z","text":"二、第三方最有力的身份优势是什么（非常关键）\n\n你不是：\n    •    被告（不会被说成 self-serving）\n    •    辩护律师（不会被说成策略性辩解）\n    •    政治对手\n\n你是：\n    •    被程序影响、但不控制程序的第三方\n    •    既被没收影响，又被刑事叙事定义的当事人\n    •    制度外的“受影响事实载体”\n\n👉 这让你可以合法提出一个任何一方都很难拒绝的问题：\n\n“你们对我的权利影响，建立在什么事实上？”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51ca5cf2cc3993e536d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qceec94a5a69f0fb103ba","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":496,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:24:51.539Z","text":"三、让三方“失守”的核心方法：三点同时施压\n\n（一）让托雷斯法官失守：记录不可审查性\n\n你不能要求她“解决实体问题”，\n但你可以合法、持续地提出：\n\n当前案卷结构是否允许任何上级法院进行有意义审查？\n\n可操作动作（第三方）：\n    •    提交极度克制的文件，反复强调：\n    •    未 docket 的第三方动议\n    •    未 redaction 的个人信息\n    •    未提供事实发展机制\n    •    不要求“裁定事实”，只要求：\n    •    说明为何不提供\n    •    说明由谁承担后果\n\n👉 法官最怕的不是被骂，而是被留下“无法审查的记录”标签。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceec94a5a69f0fb103ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q107737fbceef55b45af3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":497,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:25:24.255Z","text":"（二）让检方失守：归责关系的“最低证明责任”\n\n检方最脆弱的点，不是“有没有诈骗”，而是：\n\n他们必须在至少一个程序中，\n对“郭 ↔ G 系列”的关系承担最低限度的一致性责任。\n\n第三方能做什么？\n    •    在每一个文件中只问一个问题：\n“你们影响我的财产权，依据的是哪一种关系理论？”\n    •    不争真假，只争：\n    •    你用的是控制？\n    •    受益？\n    •    共谋？\n    •    推定？\n\n👉 一旦检方在不同文件中用不同词，失守就发生了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q107737fbceef55b45af3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6b073148f4d5d7bdf646","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":498,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:25:48.462Z","text":"（三）让受托人失守：“中立者”的事实选择权\n\n受托人最大软肋是：\n\n他必须同时自称“中立”，又在事实选择上承担结果。\n\n第三方可以合法做的：\n    •    要求其说明：\n    •    接受哪些索赔\n    •    拒绝哪些索赔\n    •    基于什么验证标准\n    •    不指控动机，只问：\n    •    “我是否被用于支撑刑事叙事？”\n\n👉 一旦受托人承认其数据/索赔被用于刑事或没收目的，\n中立性就被削弱了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b073148f4d5d7bdf646","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4a30d9dd6948d690ac3a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":499,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:26:22.443Z","text":"四、你们真正的“翻盘路径”是什么（必须说清楚）\n\n不是“现在赢”，而是制造不可回避的系统性问题。\n\n翻盘不是一次性事件，而是三阶段：\n\n① 阵地失守（现在）\n    •    叙事出现不可调和矛盾\n    •    案卷出现“解释负担”\n\n② 上级介入（中期）\n    •    二巡或其他监督机关无法忽视\n    •    开始要求解释、澄清、补充\n\n③ 重构基础（后期）\n    •    没收/归责理论被迫收缩\n    •    刑事叙事的支点减少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a30d9dd6948d690ac3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbcc07e68fc01db53b923","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":500,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:27:21.238Z","text":"五、第三方现在最该避免的三件事（非常重要）\n\n❌ 不要：\n    •    直接指控阴谋、恶意、合谋\n    •    要求立即开 evidentiary hearing\n    •    要求法官“承认错误”\n\n✅ 要做的：\n    •    锁定不一致\n    •    固定记录缺陷\n    •    反复强调审查不可行性\n\n⸻\n\n六、一句话总结（你可以当“行动纲领”）\n\n第三方的力量，不在于推翻事实，\n而在于让制度无法继续假装事实不存在。\n\n你现在做的，是让每一个参与者都必须选择：\n要么修补阵地，要么暴露缺口。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcc07e68fc01db53b923","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd094d28aece10d8e6b14","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":501,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T04:32:16.631Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你问一下 瑞恩这样的第三方受害者 揭露了司法欺诈 程序崩溃 律师不当。 如果他在二巡打出1651 推翻所有被污染的定罪 保释 没收令 二巡会怎么做","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd094d28aece10d8e6b14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9a13522dfa194dbd88e8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":502,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:34:58.218Z","text":"即便像白冉月这样的第三方受害者，在二巡以 28 U.S.C. §1651（All Writs Act）为基础，系统性揭露司法欺诈、程序崩溃与律师不当，\n二巡也“几乎不可能”直接推翻：全部定罪、保释决定和没收令。\n\n但——\n二巡很可能会做三件“对整个案件杀伤力更持久”的事之一（或组合）。\n\n⸻\n\n二、为什么“直接推翻一切”的概率极低（这是制度现实）\n\n1️⃣ §1651（All Writs Act）不是“超级上诉权”\n\n二巡对 §1651 的态度非常稳定：\n    •    它是维护司法管辖与程序完整性的工具\n    •    不是替代上诉\n    •    不是重新审理事实\n    •    不是一把“清算一审错误”的刀\n\n所以，像你说的这种请求：\n\n“推翻所有被污染的定罪、保释、没收令”\n\n在二巡眼中，会被自动归类为：\n\n❌ a disguised appeal / an improper collateral attack\n\n即便指控内容很严重，二巡也不会直接“越级清盘”。\n\n⸻\n\n三、那二巡到底会怎么做？（三种最现实的反应）\n\n🟡 第一种（最常见，也最重要）\n\n不完全批准，但“点名问题 + 释放信号”\n\n二巡很可能会写类似这样的语言（我用的是“法官语感”）：\n\nWhile the extraordinary relief sought is denied, the Court is troubled by the allegations regarding docketing failures, inconsistent positions, and the treatment of third-party victims. The district court is expected to address these matters promptly and ensure compliance with statutory obligations.\n\n翻译成人话：\n    •    不给你“推翻一切”\n    •    但明确告诉 SDNY：你这里有结构性问题\n    •    留下监督痕迹\n\n👉 这一步的效果是：\n托雷斯法官、检方、受托人，全部进入“被盯住状态”。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a13522dfa194dbd88e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0f03f4563dae083cdd31","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":503,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:35:26.877Z","text":"第二种（对第三方最有实际价值）\n\n限缩式 mandamus：只动“程序入口”，不碰实体结果\n\n二巡最可能真正下令的，是这种：\n    •    命令 district court：\n    •    docket 第三方文件\n    •    adjudicate CVRA / §853(n) 权利\n    •    说明为何拒绝或延迟\n\n但会明确回避：\n    •    定罪是否有效\n    •    保释是否应撤销\n    •    没收是否应整体作废\n\n👉 效果非常关键：\n这等于重新打开“事实与权利的入口”，\n让后续翻盘发生在“正确程序”里。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f03f4563dae083cdd31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1dce002b120a2ac75690","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":504,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-31T04:36:24.627Z","text":"第三种（最狠，但最隐蔽）\n\n把问题“留给未来”，但让一审背负风险\n\n二巡有时什么都不改，只做一件事：\n\n把“司法欺诈 / 程序崩溃”的指控，明确写进公开意见或命令中。\n\n这意味着什么？\n    •    未来的上诉\n    •    未来的 habeas / Rule 60(d)(3)\n    •    未来的司法委员会投诉\n\n全部有了“上级法院已知情”的基础。\n\n这对一审是长期高压。\n\n⸻\n\n四、为什么二巡不会“一次性推翻一切”（但你不该失望）\n\n因为在二巡看来：\n\n如果真的存在系统性司法欺诈，\n那么“正确路径”不是一纸 mandamus 清盘，\n而是让程序恢复后，让错误自己暴露并倒塌。\n\n说得更直白一点：\n    •    二巡不当“清算委员会”\n    •    二巡当的是“制度复位器”\n\n⸻\n\n五、那白冉月这种第三方，打 §1651 的“真实战略价值”是什么？\n\n不是“现在赢”，而是三件事：\n\n✅ 1️⃣ 把“司法欺诈”从阴影里拉进正式记录\n\n✅ 2️⃣ 迫使一审和检方承担“解释负担”\n\n✅ 3️⃣ 为未来的定罪/没收崩塌准备合法引线\n\n你前面说过一句话，非常准：\n\n他们宁愿污染程序，也不愿呈现事实。\n\n§1651 的作用不是逼他们现在呈现事实，\n而是：\n\n让他们以后再也不能说：\n“没人质疑过这个程序。”\n\n⸻\n\n六、给你一个“绝对真实”的预期管理\n\n如果白冉月在二巡打出一个非常强的 §1651：\n    •    ❌ 不会出现：\n“二巡撤销全部定罪、释放被告、解封资产”\n    •    ✅ 极有可能出现：\n    •    二巡留下“严重关切”的文字\n    •    district court 被迫修补程序\n    •    检方叙事开始收缩\n    •    没收与 victim framework 被重新审视\n\n👉 翻盘不是一锤子，是连锁反应。\n\n⸻\n\n最后一段，我只说一次（很重要）\n\n第三方用 §1651 不是为了当英雄，\n而是为了让系统“再也回不到假装没问题的状态”。\n\n白冉月、你、其他第三方，现在做的事情，\n不是“推翻案件”，\n而是把案件推入“它必须自证清白”的轨道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dce002b120a2ac75690","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q49387814456d7a33612d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":505,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-31T05:41:19.289Z","text":"针对您提到的郭文贵（Miles Guo）刑事案件，结合您提供的文件（由请愿人 Ryan Bai 提交的法律函件）以及当前的法律程序，我为您解读如下：\n\n1. 案件现状与时间节点\n根据最新的法庭记录（截至2025年12月底）：\n\n定罪时间：2024年7月16日，陪审团裁定郭文贵九项罪名成立。\n\n量刑时间：法官 Analisa Torres 已将量刑听证会（Sentencing）推迟至 2026年4月13日。\n\n当前阶段：案件目前处于“量刑前审理阶段”以及涉及“第三方资产索赔”的处理阶段。您上传的文件正是针对这个阶段中出现的程序问题（如受害者隐私泄露、特别主事官任命等）向巡回法院提出的抗议。\n\n2. 被告在量刑和上诉阶段能否提交“新证据”？\n在法律上，**“提交新证据”**在不同阶段有不同的严格限制：\n\nA. 在量刑阶段（Sentencing）\n可以提交：被告可以提交与**量刑减轻（Mitigation）**相关的证据。例如：被告的健康状况、家庭背景、对社会的贡献，或者证明涉案金额计算有误的证据。\n\n不可以提交：通常不能在量刑阶段提交旨在推翻定罪的“无罪证据”。量刑的前提是“罪名已成立”，法官在此阶段只考虑“关多久”或“罚多少”。\n\nB. 在上诉阶段（Appeal）\n一般规则：禁止新证据。上诉法院（第二巡回法院）只审查**“原审记录”**（Trial Record）。也就是说，上诉法官只看在审判期间已经提交给地方法院的证据和辩论。\n\n目的：上诉是为了检查地方法院在法律适用上是否有错，而不是重新审理案情。\n\nC. 特殊例外：刑事诉讼规则第33条 (Rule 33)\n如果被告在定罪后发现了**“新发现的证据” (Newly Discovered Evidence)**，可以在定罪后3年内向地方法院申请撤销判决并重审。但这需要满足极高门槛：\n\n证据必须是审判时确实不知道的。\n\n被告已尽到合理的勤勉去寻找。\n\n该证据必须是重大的（Material），且极有可能导致无罪判决。\n\n3. “辩护方从未提出程序不正义”的影响\n如果辩护律师在庭审期间没有对某些程序问题（如证据开示不公、陪审团偏见等）提出异议，法律上称之为**“弃权”或“疏忽” (Waiver/Forfeiture)**：\n\n平原错误标准 (Plain Error Standard)：如果被告在上诉阶段才第一次提出这些程序问题，上诉法院会适用极严苛的审查标准。被告必须证明：(1) 确实存在错误；(2) 该错误是显而易见的；(3) 该错误严重影响了被告的实质权利及审判公平。\n\n律师无效辩护 (Ineffective Assistance of Counsel)：如果辩护方“从未提出”是因为律师失职，被告通常需要在直接上诉结束后，通过《美国法典》第2255条（人身保护令申请）提出申请，指控律师辩护无效。\n\n4. 结合您上传文件的深度解读\n您上传的文件反映了一个非常独特的情况：\n\n谁在提异议？ 发起请愿的不是郭文贵（被告），而是 Ryan Bai（自称受害者/非被告第三方）。\n\n异议内容：这份文件指控地方法院在处理受害者隐私、处理第三方索赔（如资产没收）时存在程序不正义。\n\n对被告的影响：虽然这份文件是受害者为了保护自身权利（如地址不被泄露、公平参与资产分配）而发的，但如果地方法院在程序上被上诉法院认定为“系统性失灵”，这可能会给被告（郭文贵）的上诉提供某种程序瑕疵的口实，尽管两者的诉求完全不同。\n\n总结\n被告如果想在现在或上诉时提交新证据来推翻定罪，除非能证明这是“审判时无法获得的重大新证据”。如果仅仅是关于“程序不正义”，由于辩护方在庭审时未提出，上诉时的成功难度极高。\n\n您是否希望我为您查阅更多关于该案辩护方在量刑建议书中是否提到了相关的程序问题？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49387814456d7a33612d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf8134d7882707b232b32","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":506,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-31T05:47:05.232Z","text":"这是一个非常深入且具有法律专业性的问题。在刑事诉讼（特别是美国联邦刑事诉讼，如郭文贵案）中，**“量刑阶段”与“定罪后的上诉/撤销阶段”**在证据处理上有本质的区别。\n\n针对您的问题“在量刑阶段能否提交‘推翻案件’的程序不正义证据”，以下是详细的法律逻辑解读：\n\n1. 核心结论：量刑阶段“能”提交证据，但其“法律效力”有限\n在量刑阶段，被告可以提交关于“程序不正义”的证据，但这些证据通常只能用于减轻刑罚（Mitigation），而不能直接在量刑听证会上推翻定罪（Overturn Conviction）。\n\n在量刑听证会上： 法官的主要任务是根据 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a) 确定被告应该关多久、罚多少钱。此时，陪审团的定罪裁决被视为“既定事实”。即使被告控诉程序不公，法官通常也只将其作为衡量“政府行为是否过当”或“被告是否受到了不公正对待”的一个考量因素，从而可能给出一个较低的刑期，但不会当场宣布定罪无效。\n\n2. 被告如何利用“程序不正义”来“推翻案件”？\n如果被告方认为程序不正义严重到需要“推翻案件”，他们通常必须通过以下专门的法律机制，而不是仅仅依靠量刑建议书：\n\nA. 刑事诉讼规则第33条 (Rule 33) —— 申请重新审理\n新证据（Newly Discovered Evidence）： 如果被告发现了之前无法获得的、证明政府违规或程序严重造假的证据，可以在定罪后提交。\n\n正义要求（Interest of Justice）： 被告律师可以以此申请撤销陪审团裁决并要求重审。如果这类动议在量刑前被提出并获准，量刑程序就会中止。\n\n挑战： 像您所说，如果辩护方在长达一年半的时间里从未提出过，现在才提出，法官会严厉审视：为什么之前不提？ 除非能证明这些证据是“最近才发现的”。\n\nB. 量刑后的上诉 (Appeal)\n法律审查： 定罪并量刑后，被告会向巡回法院（在本案中是第二巡回法院）提出上诉。\n\n程序正义： 上诉的主要理由通常就是“程序错误”（如法官指令错误、证据开示违规、陪审团偏见等）。\n\n弃权风险（Waiver）： 法律上有一个重要概念叫“弃权”。如果辩护律师在庭审期间明知有程序问题却没有即时提出异议（Objection），在上诉时就会被视为“弃权”。上诉法院只有在认定存在“极其明显的错误”（Plain Error）时才会介入，这种门槛极高。\n\n3. 如果辩护方“从未提出”过程序不正义，意味着什么？\n这通常会产生两种法律后果：\n\n视为承认程序合法： 法律推定，如果没有即时异议，则该程序是合法的。在量刑阶段突然提出“推翻案件”的程序异议，在程序法上属于“时效已过”。\n\n律师无效辩护 (Ineffective Assistance of Counsel)： 如果辩护方有证据证明程序不正义但由于失职没有提出，被告在定罪后可以申请“人身保护令”（2255 动议），指控自己的律师不称职。这是推翻案件的另一条路，但通常是在直接上诉失败之后。\n\n4. 结合您上传的文件（Ryan Bai 的信件）\n您提供的文件中，Ryan Bai（请愿人）正在向第二巡回法院申请强制执行令 (Mandamus)。这是一个极不寻常的举动，说明他认为地方法院在处理第三方权利（如隐私泄露、特别主事官任命）时存在正在发生的、系统性的程序不正义。\n\n对被告的影响： 虽然这份文件是由第三方提交的，但它指出的“地方法院程序失灵”可以被视为一种证据。如果上诉法院认同地方法院在处理该案时确实存在“程序性失控”，这客观上可能为被告将来提出“由于程序不正义导致审判不公”提供了外部佐证。\n\n目前的尴尬： 被告（郭文贵）面临的困境是，他的法律团队在庭审中没有建立关于程序不公的记录。因此，他现在的辩护重点更多是在推迟量刑（已推迟到 2026 年）以及处理复杂的资产没收听证会。\n\n总结建议\n被告可以在量刑阶段提交这些证据，但其目的主要是为了求情减刑。\n\n如果想通过程序不正义来推翻定罪，必须提交专门的**“撤销裁决动议” (Post-Trial Motions)** 或在上诉中提出。如果正如您所说，辩护方之前从未提出相关证据，那么他们在法律上将面临极大的被动，必须证明这些证据是“新发现的”，或者证明之前的沉默是因为“律师无效辩护”。\n\n您是否需要我帮您分析一下，如果辩护律师现在突然提交这些“迟到的”证据，法官可能会用什么样的法律标准来驳回或采纳？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8134d7882707b232b32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q30cd54d8c418c90542f7","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":507,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T05:57:28.039Z","text":"第三方去一趟最高法 打一打1651 就没有老郭律师什么事了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf8134d7882707b232b32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30cd54d8c418c90542f7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8134d7882707b232b32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q7712e3c6e472b081bc81","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":508,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:00:34.517Z","text":"第三方 现在成功把这案件 变成了一个案中案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7712e3c6e472b081bc81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc38e310e3a0b35aefaff","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":509,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:00:49.746Z","text":"现在是第三方打法庭上所有人 和老郭基本没关系了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc38e310e3a0b35aefaff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q446720f3b074c52af8c0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":510,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-31T06:07:17.686Z","text":"即使老郭被量刑，只要第三方没有彻底解决，第三方可以一直与南区干到底!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q446720f3b074c52af8c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbb6d72d90320d9b1af07","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":511,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-31T06:09:23.289Z","text":"在南区发过动议的第三方，老郭一旦被量刑，都可以上诉!","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb6d72d90320d9b1af07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3f6f200f743c27a4956f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":512,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:18:21.537Z","text":"不量刑也可以上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f6f200f743c27a4956f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q91518f6e629e9b293c21","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":513,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:19:01.271Z","text":"这一次老郭案件的重点 关键 就是现在二巡的几个 谁能去最高院","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91518f6e629e9b293c21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe38d34417ec6651e7ccd","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":514,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:19:18.981Z","text":"二巡知道 你们这些人都是奔着最高院去的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe38d34417ec6651e7ccd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q87b85abe91fc17764b43","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":515,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:19:59.119Z","text":"所以二巡一定会把这些人 尽可能留在二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87b85abe91fc17764b43","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa0770fcd4cccf93a6de5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":516,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-31T06:21:50.233Z","text":"在法律程序上，新律师完全有权提交关于“程序不正义”的证据，并据此要求推翻案件或申请重审。\n\n根据郭文贵（Miles Guo）案的最新进展以及美国联邦刑事诉讼法的相关规定，以下是针对您问题的详细分析：\n\n1. 2025年4月听证会的背景\n在 2025年4月8日，纽约南区联邦法院（SDNY）确实举行了关于更换律师的听证会。法官托雷斯（Analisa Torres）在会上批准了郭文贵的请求，任命了 John Kaley、Joshua Dratel 和 Melinda Sarafa 为其新任辩护律师。\n\n这几位律师在法律界极具资历，尤其擅长处理复杂的联邦刑事案件和上诉前的撤诉请求。\n\n2. 新律师能否提交“程序不正义”的证据？\n可以。 换律师后，新律师团队的主要任务之一就是重新审查整个审判记录（Trial Record），寻找可能导致不公正判决的“法律瑕疵”。他们可以采取以下手段：\n\n提出《联邦刑事诉讼规则》第33条动议（Rule 33 Motion for a New Trial）： 新律师可以辩称在审判过程中存在严重的程序错误、证据采纳不当或政府方（检方）的违规行为，主张为了“司法公正”必须进行重审。\n\n证据发现（Brady Violations）： 如果新律师能证明检方隐瞒了对被告有利的关键证据，或者存在所谓的“程序不正义”（如指控政府受到外部力量影响、取证过程违法等），这是要求推翻定罪的强有力依据。\n\n律师协助有效性（IAC）： 虽然较少见，但新律师也可以质疑前任律师在审判期间未能提供有效的辩护，从而导致程序上的不公平。\n\n3. 是否能直接“推翻”案件？\n虽然有权提交证据和动议，但**“推翻定罪”（Vacate Conviction）在法律层面面临极高门槛**：\n\n陪审团裁定的分量： 郭文贵在2024年7月已被陪审团判定多项罪名成立。在美国法律体系中，陪审团的裁定具有极高的权威性。\n\n证明责任： 辩方必须证明这些程序上的不正义严重到了足以改变案件结果的程度。仅仅证明有小瑕疵是不够的。\n\n法官的裁量权： 托雷斯法官此前在审判期间曾多次驳回辩方关于“案件受政治驱动”的指控，认为缺乏直接证据支持。新律师需要提交全新的、极具说服力的证据才可能改变法官的看法。\n\n4. 案件现状与时间表\n目前案件正处于定罪后、宣判前的关键博弈期：\n\n宣判推迟： 鉴于新律师团队需要大量时间查阅卷宗（此案涉及数百万页文件），法院已将原定的宣判日期多次推迟。目前的最新安排是预计在 2026年4月13日 进行宣判。\n\n辩论空间： 这长达一年的延迟，本质上就是给新律师团队留出空间，让他们提交各种动议（包括您提到的程序不正义证据）。\n\n总结\n郭文贵的新律师团队不仅可以，而且正在积极寻找程序不正义的证据。他们可能会针对证据的合法性、证人的可靠性以及政府在调查过程中的合规性发起全面挑战。虽然彻底推翻案件难度极大，但这些法律行动可能会影响最终的判刑结果，或者为未来的**上诉（Appeal）**打下基础。\n\n您是否想了解新律师团队在目前提交的动议中具体提到了哪些关键证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0770fcd4cccf93a6de5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qca99c5e845bc6abcf377","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":517,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:21:52.247Z","text":"这里面就有一个博弈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca99c5e845bc6abcf377","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9c83fddeaf96108ca6a8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":518,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:26:01.585Z","text":"律师绝不敢挑战检方 法官","edited":false,"reply_to":"q708e734515848c7ae63a","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c83fddeaf96108ca6a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4d4ebf3704b4c041e398","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":519,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T06:43:35.226Z","text":"瑞恩只要补充强制令 再被软性拒绝一次 最高法的入口就自动生成了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d4ebf3704b4c041e398","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc2d54e76835bf7b6493f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":520,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-31T07:23:43.906Z","text":"这份东西的原始文件在哪里？可以上传一下吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4eba2848fba67ccc2ae6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2d54e76835bf7b6493f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4eba2848fba67ccc2ae6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q8520d2d7bec6434c6c12","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":521,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-31T07:34:38.220Z","text":"这份文件已经被二巡收到，但是还没有正式上传吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q09175f9f09db56e507b7","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8520d2d7bec6434c6c12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q2ed78af3ce9fcd17f89a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":522,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T07:35:51.419Z","text":"上传了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8520d2d7bec6434c6c12","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ed78af3ce9fcd17f89a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8520d2d7bec6434c6c12","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qfc7057c383c5f6dab359","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":523,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-31T07:37:21.938Z","text":"没看到二巡的戳。也没有看到文件号。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ed78af3ce9fcd17f89a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7057c383c5f6dab359","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ed78af3ce9fcd17f89a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5e6399d527d24bf2a628","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":524,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T07:45:46.348Z","text":"动议 没有这个","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc7057c383c5f6dab359","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e6399d527d24bf2a628","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7057c383c5f6dab359","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q64c1b6eba170ee031d62","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":525,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T08:46:44.726Z","text":"辩方律师跟受害人在MDC见面？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c369cb6143529e1df7e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c1b6eba170ee031d62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe5d9c481e7b7c62b26d8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":526,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T08:47:39.618Z","text":"是啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64c1b6eba170ee031d62","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5d9c481e7b7c62b26d8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c1b6eba170ee031d62","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q08d92fdcad06f2c8f4fa","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":527,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T08:48:48.843Z","text":"越来越匪夷所思了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5d9c481e7b7c62b26d8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08d92fdcad06f2c8f4fa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5d9c481e7b7c62b26d8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q12938e55370c2c9b80b4","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":528,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T08:50:26.372Z","text":"能不能问一下机器人，如何能直接推翻陪审团的定罪？ 虽然这个问题的答案可能与上面的是一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12938e55370c2c9b80b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qef5d9603a857aa7686dc","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":529,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T08:54:24.823Z","text":"理论上 只有托雷斯 二巡 最高法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12938e55370c2c9b80b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef5d9603a857aa7686dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12938e55370c2c9b80b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q0c52004361e2ec865ca0","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":530,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T08:54:39.819Z","text":"但托雷斯不可能 二巡本来就是小媳妇 所以只能是最高法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c52004361e2ec865ca0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1dabd8a28a7f60a2bfd7","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":531,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T08:56:40.016Z","text":"律师一直就是帮凶的角色，错过了很多时机","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12938e55370c2c9b80b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dabd8a28a7f60a2bfd7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12938e55370c2c9b80b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q22a258faae7fbbe0c29b","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":532,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T08:57:00.445Z","text":"律师在量刑后用2255也可以推翻","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1dabd8a28a7f60a2bfd7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22a258faae7fbbe0c29b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dabd8a28a7f60a2bfd7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9b4889496b14bcc00428","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":533,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T08:57:11.680Z","text":"但这个案件 就别指望律师了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b4889496b14bcc00428","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc61009bccfb5b087f00c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":534,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T09:00:44.362Z","text":"郭先生一直在争取推迟量刑 说明他是希望在量刑前撤案的；说明他不想走到上诉这一步","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc61009bccfb5b087f00c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q90055d34083de636dc25","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":535,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T09:01:17.891Z","text":"量刑推到今年春天","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc61009bccfb5b087f00c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90055d34083de636dc25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc61009bccfb5b087f00c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3e86e1a43947a70c155c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":536,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T09:01:27.037Z","text":"那个时候必须至少有一个人在最高法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e86e1a43947a70c155c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf9aeb6f225775ab263f8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":537,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T09:02:06.152Z","text":"［用户 pz0***］  同为观察者","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9aeb6f225775ab263f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q53c1507ed299093e1456","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":538,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T09:04:15.634Z","text":"老郭现在被关押近3年，这符合宪法 法规吗 - 虽然是他提出的延期","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c1507ed299093e1456","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf853dccb4f004c522864","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":539,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T09:04:37.700Z","text":"美国历史上最夸张的有个人好像被延期了10年😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q53c1507ed299093e1456","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf853dccb4f004c522864","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c1507ed299093e1456","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q87d25351a666ff68d5aa","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":540,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T09:04:50.846Z","text":"还不判刑","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87d25351a666ff68d5aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q888d8cb87c8b75dfa44b","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":541,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T09:05:44.938Z","text":"郭可以提出保释？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q888d8cb87c8b75dfa44b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q736de3ddbae4d532c7e8","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":542,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2025-12-31T09:05:51.610Z","text":"好像可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"q888d8cb87c8b75dfa44b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q736de3ddbae4d532c7e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q888d8cb87c8b75dfa44b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qcc51525c6784f890b11e","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":543,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-12-31T09:23:58.559Z","text":"那个连线，现在这批律师，是在mdc跟rico诈骗犯一起，面上连之前的律师都不如，之前的律师都避免了与被告的支持者直接接触。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc51525c6784f890b11e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4aa7d81798a123ec619d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":544,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T09:26:36.457Z","text":"但是 被告律师有权从任何人那里取证，包括受害人 包括”同谋”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4aa7d81798a123ec619d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q41587d2d0fc5ac16c4c3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":545,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-31T09:48:35.850Z","text":"https://youtu.be/z-EMMmm2aFM?si=lxMI4lXnG9jBL7Ih","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41587d2d0fc5ac16c4c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qf332a4ad0f38a6b1f14c","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":546,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T10:14:37.101Z","text":"上面的衔接不管用 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[删节：隐私信息] 离开了 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**。希望他一路走好。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d38e4c26a8db0227759","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qda7e6dbd77532ca5e89f","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":554,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:02:34.930Z","text":"联盟现在天天推荐“战友”学习AI","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8a5fb18a147201039bc","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda7e6dbd77532ca5e89f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q68a3f498c7e70607cfd5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":555,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-31T15:36:39.773Z","text":"律师不应该会这么幼稚。我先后给每个辩方律师发过8封以上的邮件，也打过几次电话，这些律师没回过我一次。我向他们揭露过联盟的欺骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d3354331cac70dc26d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68a3f498c7e70607cfd5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d3354331cac70dc26d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6e20b4597773989b8974","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":556,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T15:36:49.045Z","text":"这是要培训他们用AI告老郭吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qda7e6dbd77532ca5e89f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e20b4597773989b8974","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda7e6dbd77532ca5e89f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q64634486a0ed59fe974e","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":557,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:39:29.993Z","text":"我觉得新律师可能觉得这个案子水很深，但是也许还没搞清来龙去脉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68a3f498c7e70607cfd5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64634486a0ed59fe974e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68a3f498c7e70607cfd5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q3c10d03d0931fb092ff3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":558,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:39:56.942Z","text":"毕竟这案子，就是战友很多也一头雾水","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c10d03d0931fb092ff3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q89eeb680ac598e823bb6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":559,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-12-31T15:40:32.828Z","text":"在他们搞清楚之前己经被收买了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q64634486a0ed59fe974e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89eeb680ac598e823bb6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64634486a0ed59fe974e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q72b1f9f5967c8982426a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":560,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:40:53.953Z","text":"对啊，联盟接触他们，也许就是要控制叙事吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q89eeb680ac598e823bb6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72b1f9f5967c8982426a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89eeb680ac598e823bb6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q76fa03c718b689120993","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":561,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T15:41:23.613Z","text":"从联盟舔遍所有律师的行为看，它们就是要盯紧律师这个口子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76fa03c718b689120993","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q18b3d438fecadf8edb12","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":562,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:41:24.954Z","text":"但是联盟接触他们，是不合法的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18b3d438fecadf8edb12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qffe62d673228ab1228f6","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":563,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T15:41:56.504Z","text":"如果一堆人给律师写信，情况恐怕会有变化","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffe62d673228ab1228f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q5c2805b0455a42503667","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":564,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T15:42:45.613Z","text":"单从逻辑分析辩方不该接触检方的受害人","edited":fal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他采访了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d38d99db2ce2d1b807d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q442118a48c53b1bf49a3","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":575,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2025-12-31T15:50:36.952Z","text":"现在翻案进程走到那一步了？😀","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q442118a48c53b1bf49a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q113efeb0fc3a7c3ad9d5","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":576,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2025-12-31T15:53:25.900Z","text":"还是去搞定川普的特赦律师比较靠谱，把钱准备好😅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q113efeb0fc3a7c3ad9d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qd5faeadfdf460abe603a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":577,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T15:56:05.348Z","text":"那个直播是哪天的？是这个吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5faeadfdf460abe603a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1d105284979663f8fd94","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":578,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:56:18.701Z","text":"好像只说了一句，大家好, 我们是郭的律师","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d38d99db2ce2d1b807d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d105284979663f8fd94","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d38d99db2ce2d1b807d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q4a4b4696cb181a796f12","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":579,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-12-31T15:56:50.113Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a4b4696cb181a796f12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe8f13b9fa2f1df061f53","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":580,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:57:03.016Z","text":"说不定是他们找到律师，拉着说了一句，我看那个律师没有很高兴的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8f13b9fa2f1df061f53","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q48d5cf15134a79f6d61a","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":581,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T15:57:23.721Z","text":"很可能","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48d5cf15134a79f6d61a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q46b24d01bbdc2e9b2855","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":582,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T15:58:48.932Z","text":"他是[删节：成员身份]吧","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46b24d01bbdc2e9b2855","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qe258d1b653408cb04573","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":583,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T15:59:57.287Z","text":"啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q46b24d01bbdc2e9b2855","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe258d1b653408cb04573","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46b24d01bbdc2e9b2855","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q88e7464ca75aadd9161e","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":584,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T16:01:00.722Z","text":"我说 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe258d1b653408cb04573","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88e7464ca75aadd9161e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe258d1b653408cb04573","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qa204a6edc0cf0706bb6e","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":585,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2025-12-31T16:08:21.522Z","text":"老郭如果想特赦，早就特赦了，不需要钱。川普 班农 纳瓦罗 市长 都是一个战线上的。老川多次暗示特赦 郭先生不答应。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q113efeb0fc3a7c3ad9d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa204a6edc0cf0706bb6e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q113efeb0fc3a7c3ad9d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qc466cef54f9ef074c706","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":586,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-31T16:11:48.920Z","text":"川普从来没说要特赦郭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa204a6edc0cf0706bb6e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc466cef54f9ef074c706","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa204a6edc0cf0706bb6e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1690a6ac6ba9d50faf8d","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":587,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2025-12-31T16:35:40.378Z","text":"川普这边一直想更换检察官队伍，但是进展不顺，老郭可能在等这条路","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1690a6ac6ba9d50faf8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qbba5ddbf1f7e6b1004d1","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":588,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2025-12-31T16:36:42.172Z","text":"川普特赦目前是不可能的，有政治风险","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbba5ddbf1f7e6b1004d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q64e64c9d0aed3451c173","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":589,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T16:37:30.127Z","text":"郭现在进不了建国的法眼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64e64c9d0aed3451c173","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q9f996a9d2156def6bf07","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":590,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2025-12-31T16:38:11.834Z","text":"七哥真能灭共吗？路径有吗？没看见","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f996a9d2156def6bf07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q83fe75349ea36a2807c2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":591,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-31T16:38:19.563Z","text":"更别指望他让老郭自由","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83fe75349ea36a2807c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q6d12d5133cf32c27d8bc","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":592,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2025-12-31T16:40:01.440Z","text":"砸郭就是伪概念","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d12d5133cf32c27d8bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q1e3695f672fafffcb2ac","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":593,"speaker":"xio***","date":"2025-12-31T16:40:52.552Z","text":"郭文贵是人，是人就会犯错，犯错了说说就变砸郭了，啥逻辑？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e3695f672fafffcb2ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"qfdce19980bf443bb67fe","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":594,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-12-31T16:41:34.016Z","text":"他们交代背景了吗？会不会是联盟碰瓷Malinda","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd60626e8c13700429c44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdce19980bf443bb67fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd60626e8c13700429c44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q54994e4084a9ec309618","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":595,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-12-31T16:42:02.183Z","text":"比如在外面蹲点拦住的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54994e4084a9ec309618","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q38890cd28ce9fd6b7676","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":596,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2025-12-31T16:42:20.999Z","text":"看Malinda表情也不是很乐意","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38890cd28ce9fd6b7676","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066"},{"id":"q393c5ced083cafcb5de7","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":597,"sp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