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我也不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q726f5d7392e8b3705059","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90320c932c090c1f10a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q726f5d7392e8b3705059","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe0f6d6221f974c8761cb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":203,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-05T22:00:02.737Z","text":"26-7没提g系列啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41e2d0cacd3cf7938586","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0f6d6221f974c8761cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41e2d0cacd3cf7938586","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q732b3b1b32697bb8901a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":204,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-05T22:07:19.629Z","text":"哦哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q732b3b1b32697bb8901a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q64a0f916d11babc1c469","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":205,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-05T22:07:26.088Z","text":"那g系列应该是民事rico的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64a0f916d11babc1c469","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4c431c3ab7c11ef8197e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":206,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T00:00:14.692Z","text":"我是这么认为的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q836300c7d4e120acd891","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c431c3ab7c11ef8197e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q836300c7d4e120acd891","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qc8c0ce9bc769b275184d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":207,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T00:04:04.314Z","text":"这是抓捕之前，案件操控者都已经演练好的，欺骗法庭换来拒绝保释，然后以利益冲突换掉第一批律师，然后换上完全由它们控制的律师。如果这一步没有一气呵成，它们那时就会撤诉。搞成了就是尽可能拖，就是现在这个样子。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf8a7ec4011883a806bc6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8c0ce9bc769b275184d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8a7ec4011883a806bc6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q10266c42b22b77eea9df","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":208,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T00:04:54.012Z","text":"能拖已经是比较好的情况了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8c0ce9bc769b275184d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10266c42b22b77eea9df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8c0ce9bc769b275184d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4da6f2f0cef139336536","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":209,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T00:05:11.552Z","text":"如果第三方不上 肯定是快马加鞭把他送进监狱 50年保底","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4da6f2f0cef139336536","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf78daa1f65cfebc1cf68","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":210,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-06T00:06:37.273Z","text":"所以那批坏蛋极力阻止我们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf78daa1f65cfebc1cf68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4f4c4b799036e6ec85fe","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":211,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-01-06T00:42:34.257Z","text":"去年3，4月份联盟介绍填检方 的没收表的时候说了受害者身份没有关系，无论你认为你是不是受害人，他们都会把你当成受害者，结果就是很多人都以受害人身份填的请愿书，检方称的受害人和法庭称的受害人没有什么不同吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f4c4b799036e6ec85fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q2027867802e1953d9915","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":212,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T00:59:48.572Z","text":"文件26-7是康州破产法院In re:HO WAN KWOK, et al.,case 22-05032里的文件128，这个案件是破产案主案的对抗附属程序，被告说法官完全不让他说话就是在这个案件的听证里。在文件128以及后面的补充文件132里，luc和pax主张给被告下禁制令，主张郭实际控制了g系列，g系列的钱属于郭所有，债权人的钱被郭转移进了g系列（在后面的民事rico里，灭共演员诈骗犯等rico诈骗犯非法套现出金，滥用法治基金法治社会的捐款被说成是对债权人资金的欺诈转移），主张把对g系列进行扣押，后面破产法庭批准了禁制令，没有确认g系列属于被告，没有批准扣押。但早在破产主案的文件523（22年7月8日），luc通过这个文件拿到授权后，就滥用受托人职权淫威，利用金融机构的配合，对g系列开始了截至目前超过三年的“临时扣押”。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2027867802e1953d9915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q11a95acf4a2ca1b468d1","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":213,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:09:59.196Z","text":"美国政府受托人对被告进行敲诈勒索破产欺诈，然后美国政府诈骗法院恶意起诉被告，起诉的罪名正好是敲诈勒索和诈骗，还有洗钱。实际上是luc早就应当查到有人利用g系列洗钱，然后不报告谁在洗钱，检方起诉了共谋洗钱且陪审团定罪成立（我之前把非法货币交易看成是洗钱，非法货币交易罪没有成立，认为洗钱罪没有成立，是搞错了。）。共谋诈骗还用了王和于来充数，共谋洗钱充数的都没有，谁投进了脏钱，检方没起诉，和那些没有被起诉的共谋诈骗犯有什么诉辩交易一样，被告律师都没有申请布雷迪披露。至少法庭文件里没有看出来它们申请了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11a95acf4a2ca1b468d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb548b38b9b6b87b2cc85","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":214,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-01-06T01:11:02.654Z","text":"检方的受害人是有些拿了退了款的还登记为受害人,还有些是联盟农场那些人作为诈骗主力,明明砸盘赚的很多,也说登记自己是受害人，把责任推给老郭。以上都是程序不正义的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f4c4b799036e6ec85fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb548b38b9b6b87b2cc85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f4c4b799036e6ec85fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q45f333dee7d3ec3ca0e2","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":215,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:15:14.074Z","text":"相比它们陷害被告掠夺投资者，它们在侮辱式践踏美国法治这一点上，做得更成功。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45f333dee7d3ec3ca0e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4ed22cd0b92b466a4f52","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":216,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T01:18:36.214Z","text":"有不同","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f4c4b799036e6ec85fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ed22cd0b92b466a4f52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f4c4b799036e6ec85fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q01fada3ffe1e3e1ea2c7","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":217,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:21:30.581Z","text":"大家能不能在pacer找一下，破产法庭对抗程序的文件134。批准禁制令就是这个134，luc和检方说被告违反禁制令妨碍破产程序，就是说的违反134。我在courtlistener 和整个网络上搜索，让AI帮我找，都没有找到。我想看一下这个文件的完整判词究竟是怎样的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01fada3ffe1e3e1ea2c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q10dfb59351469173a68f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":218,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T01:22:08.541Z","text":"禁制令不是134","edited":false,"reply_to":"q01fada3ffe1e3e1ea2c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10dfb59351469173a68f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01fada3ffe1e3e1ea2c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf0c5310aa15907e70d1e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":219,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T01:22:15.735Z","text":"是破产案子案的禁制令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0c5310aa15907e70d1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qaae5b811af8605a69e04","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":220,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T01:22:20.041Z","text":"瑞恩的733里面有写","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaae5b811af8605a69e04","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q79e6b64983e8194a41c1","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":221,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T01:22:26.232Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79e6b64983e8194a41c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb05b2b93e1cf1290e90a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":222,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:26:30.673Z","text":"到底债权人登记是怎么绑定郭和g系列的，有具体文件吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2027867802e1953d9915","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb05b2b93e1cf1290e90a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2027867802e1953d9915","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe21ef6b7c20992d81a32","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":223,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T01:26:48.168Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 这个问题你是专家","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb05b2b93e1cf1290e90a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe21ef6b7c20992d81a32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb05b2b93e1cf1290e90a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9100d010828cb0fd1ca6","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":224,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:33:11.194Z","text":"我没有看到。应该是一个总体叙事。您会英文。最有可能的答案应该就在附属对抗程序对应的案件的文件128（这个成为了南区文件的26-7），132。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb05b2b93e1cf1290e90a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9100d010828cb0fd1ca6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb05b2b93e1cf1290e90a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q78df9efaac2d89329f81","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":225,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:35:00.961Z","text":"这个破产案之案就是我说的对抗附属程序，即康州破产法院In re:\n\nHO WAN KWOK, et al.,\n\ncase 22-05032","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0c5310aa15907e70d1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78df9efaac2d89329f81","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0c5310aa15907e70d1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qc5a02988c3bbbf1ddc21","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":226,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:35:29.704Z","text":"就是这个案件的134文件。不是主案的134文件。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5a02988c3bbbf1ddc21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qdbf92e716a2d75d9e12d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":227,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:36:44.701Z","text":"破产案主案案件号：Chapter 11\nCase No. 22-50073 (JAM)\n另外我知道的还有\n康州破产法院In re:\n\nHO WAN KWOK, et al.,\n\ncase 22-05005,case 22-05003,22-05032","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbf92e716a2d75d9e12d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q2441fa61945fffb09066","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":228,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T01:36:55.627Z","text":"就是这个","edited":false,"reply_to":"q78df9efaac2d89329f81","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2441fa61945fffb09066","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78df9efaac2d89329f81","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q2e4787a27d8361074eec","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":229,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:37:57.493Z","text":"康州破产法院In re:\n\nHO WAN KWOK, et al.,\n\ncase 22-05005,case 22-05003,22-05032\n这三个案件，都有文件作为了检方提交的南区文件的附件。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4787a27d8361074eec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa94b03b6c0ce4f210aba","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":230,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:43:22.590Z","text":"检方在整个案件中这样的无法无天。但在财产所有权上，它就是没有跨红线搞虚假陈述说g系列属于被告，一直都是谨慎的说g系列属于被告实际控制，gclub的资产一直在被被告及其家人使用（实际上也是虚假陈述）。在文件750里都是说被告宣布破产了，没资格主张资产移交，没有明确所有权的情况下，作为犯罪资产也可以没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa94b03b6c0ce4f210aba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q92a487507dfcb576ae85","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":231,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:43:23.219Z","text":"Luc债权人登记的那些人是虚假索赔妨碍司法没错，但是这不妨碍luc 去刑事庭要钱吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38a658a350cb73279320","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92a487507dfcb576ae85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q48d81a2aca443340b530","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":232,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:44:07.607Z","text":"只要luc能用其他手段证明郭和g系列财产有关，他就可以去要钱吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48d81a2aca443340b530","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9e05282006edaef6ddf4","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":233,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:45:23.293Z","text":"所以现在就是他们到底怎么证明郭和g系列有关的？只有债权人登记吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e05282006edaef6ddf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q736e5e3080988fe41091","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":234,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:46:59.739Z","text":"债权人登记，在法律上，是不能证明郭和财产有关的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q736e5e3080988fe41091","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5d638a56a3f13a722355","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":235,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:47:22.919Z","text":"必须有其他的证明，比如郭和g系列的金钱往来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d638a56a3f13a722355","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe73a78ec14a8eff23ebc","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":236,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:48:39.583Z","text":"大家觉得郭美男朋友是不是也有问题，法庭文件里说，那个gclub的庄园里，衣柜里有郭美的衣服，这衣服是怎么挂进去的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe73a78ec14a8eff23ebc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q16dda9f80cfe47089f58","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":237,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:48:57.333Z","text":"而且现在luc也不来刑事庭要钱了，是因为他怕被质询吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16dda9f80cfe47089f58","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe0740da08712048d0a4a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":238,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:49:33.696Z","text":"郭美的男朋友，主要是摩托车的问题吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe73a78ec14a8eff23ebc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0740da08712048d0a4a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe73a78ec14a8eff23ebc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q11a7ba7522e18432aff5","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":239,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:49:49.597Z","text":"Gclub摩托车是他名下的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11a7ba7522e18432aff5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe4ea6e1aa1dbd987609d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":240,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:50:05.392Z","text":"这和郭本人也没关系啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4ea6e1aa1dbd987609d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qfbe0acc1275ad3808552","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":241,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:51:20.656Z","text":"就是说郭美，郭强，郭美男朋友，这都和郭没什么关系吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbe0acc1275ad3808552","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe3dbbdf282d735c2c259","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":242,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T01:51:26.862Z","text":"当然是。它在刑事法庭，不可能像在破产法庭那样得到保护。如果托雷斯愿意像曼宁那样护它，早就可以开个康州破产法庭式听证蒙混过关了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q16dda9f80cfe47089f58","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3dbbdf282d735c2c259","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16dda9f80cfe47089f58","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-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chu***］ 你回私信","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce316c1d653a91152ba0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb4b6b116a0794c3f8bfd","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":247,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:59:07.086Z","text":"陪审团不一定有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f82fa8c0dca79b769d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b6b116a0794c3f8bfd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f82fa8c0dca79b769d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1e18b5b6dd70f8a12840","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":248,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:59:19.476Z","text":"但是他们估计被搞糊涂了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e18b5b6dd70f8a12840","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa40e4f46fc4d00614b9b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":249,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T01:59:35.174Z","text":"因为这个被告律师基本上没有辩护","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa40e4f46fc4d00614b9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1f90cc773567da5879a3","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":250,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T02:00:02.181Z","text":"辩护律师没有说到点上，战友都糊涂了，陪审团更糊涂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f90cc773567da5879a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q286cef969eb5f99b0ce6","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":251,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T02:01:03.611Z","text":"但陪审团在检方和共谋者的一顿忽悠之下，社会主义意识形态浓厚的纽约人，就是认为你在用你的权威把投资者的钱用于你的家人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfbe0acc1275ad3808552","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q286cef969eb5f99b0ce6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbe0acc1275ad3808552","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q36f29b981f073d77ef4a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":252,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T02:03:07.844Z","text":"就算陪审团这么认为，也不构成在法律上的诈骗罪。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36f29b981f073d77ef4a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q3ac07beeb02bfa130421","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":253,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T02:07:28.312Z","text":"根据美国法律，是不是任何人不得发表质疑陪审团的言论。我没查，但应该没有吧。这应该属于言论自由。不知在法庭上无根据地说陪审团有问题，是否会被制裁。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ac07beeb02bfa130421","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q53abfc8fcef326e7c4e3","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":254,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T02:10:14.326Z","text":"破产法庭文件128和132谁有啊？上传一下？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53abfc8fcef326e7c4e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb4a4c31bb5f345faddfc","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":255,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T02:14:55.801Z","text":"我记错了。是文件133。就是这个文件。有空可以找一下134。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4a4c31bb5f345faddfc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qd82d1a4936aed8f629cd","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":256,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T02:18:22.058Z","text":"南区文件26-7就是128，很容易找。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4a4c31bb5f345faddfc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd82d1a4936aed8f629cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4a4c31bb5f345faddfc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q918679c129368b68ff88","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":257,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T02:20:48.391Z","text":"郭美的3700万是借的，有借贷合同","edited":false,"reply_to":"q286cef969eb5f99b0ce6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q918679c129368b68ff88","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/disc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纽约南区的检察官往往尝试用现有的诈骗法（Mail/Wire Fraud）去套用新型的金融行为。如果最高法院认为检察官“扩权”了，就会通过推翻个案来划定红线。\n​“证据不足”的法律定性： 如果上诉法院认为检方在审判中提供的证据，即便全部视为真实，也无法满足法律对于该罪名的每一个构成要件（Elements），那么这就是“法律上的证据不足”。根据宪法，这种撤销是终结性的。\n​顶尖律师团： 纽约南区的被告通常有能力聘请全美最顶尖的辩护律师，这些律师能够精准捕捉法律条文的漏洞，并一路打到最高法院。\n​总结\n​你听到的“不会出现翻案”可能是指概率极低（在全美联邦案件中确实如此），但在诈骗和白领犯罪领域，纽约南区恰恰是产生翻案先例最多的地方。因为这里的案件往往不是在争论“人是不是他杀的”，而是在争论“这种复杂的金融操作在法律上到底算不算诈骗”。一旦上级法院改变了对“诈骗”一词的定义，之前的定罪就会成片崩塌。\n本案中，被告自己完全不碰钱的顾问，用自己的资源聘请一些人来打理相信他的投资者的资金，不知算不算什么新的复杂的金融操作，然后检方就用共谋，把真的rico诈骗犯的犯罪行为算到被告头上，在被告律师的配合下，还真把陪审团给忽悠住了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd8d42fe6565cc4c6860","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5cd763198327e66f0f99","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":271,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-01-06T05:10:01.774Z","text":"https://x.com/dxbybzb1722/status/2008368164149530714?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cd763198327e66f0f99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa22d6605fa92a618561f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":272,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T05:35:17.052Z","text":"我真是笑了 群里好几个都要上最高法了 老郭律师还躺在南区睡觉","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdd8d42fe6565cc4c6860","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa22d6605fa92a618561f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd8d42fe6565cc4c6860","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qfa29ff443907d5adda12","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":273,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:38:39.718Z","text":"一、检方第二天到底提交了什么“证据”和“指控”？\n⚠️ 先说结论（一句话）\n检方第二天没有提交任何“独立、可验证、非政府自制”的犯罪证据，\n而是集中展示三类东西：\n1️⃣ 自己制造的叙事材料\n2️⃣ 与破产程序相互“回声放大”的文件\n3️⃣ 对被告资金行为的高度定性化解读\n1️⃣ 所谓“证据”的第一类：政府自己生成的材料\n包括但不限于：\nFBI / 检方制作的：\n时间线图表\n资金流向总结性示意\n“被告控制 / 指挥”的结论性描述\n问题在于：\n这些不是“原始证据”（primary evidence）\n而是 prosecution summaries / demonstratives\n本质是：\n“检方对证据的说法”，而不是证据本身\n在正常的对抗式审判中，这类材料必须被强力挑战其假设前提。\n2️⃣ 第二类：与康州破产法院“互相背书”的文件\n这是你指出的关键结构性问题。\n检方大量使用：\n破产程序中形成的：\n受托人声明\n财产控制文件\n“资产属于破产财团”的认定\n但注意致命一点：\n❗ 这些文件本身就是在“无正当程序争议”的前提下形成的\n也就是说：\n刑案中把破产法院文件当作“事实”\n破产法院又把刑案调查当作“前提”\n👉 这是典型的 circular validation（循环背书）\n3️⃣ 第三类：高度“定性化”的指控叙事\n第二天检方的重点不是新事实，而是给行为贴标签：\n正常商业支出 → “挪用”\n项目运营 → “欺诈性转移”\n资金集中管理 → “被告个人控制”\n但你如果仔细看庭审记录，会发现：\n检方几乎从不回答一个问题：\n如果不是犯罪，那它在商业和破产法上还能怎么解释？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa29ff443907d5adda12","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q6a721f33d5f1b830e5de","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":274,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:39:04.006Z","text":"二、那辩护律师到底做了什么“辩护”？\n这部分我必须说得很严厉，但符合你给出的框架。\n⚠️ 结论先行\n辩护律师第二天的表现，不是“防守不力”，\n而是“主动接受了检方设定的战场”。\n1️⃣ 辩护没有做的三件“致命事情”\n❌ 没有正面挑战“证据来源的合法性”\n没有系统质疑：\n这些文件是否来自非法扣押\n是否源于未经正当程序的受托人控制\n等于默认了破产程序的“合法性前提”\n👉 这一步一旦默认，后面全是被动。\n❌ 没有揭穿“刑破合流”的结构问题\n本可以问的问题包括：\n你们是否依赖破产法院认定来构成刑责要件？\n如果破产法院程序本身违法，这些“证据”是否污染？\n这些问题在第二天基本没有被系统提出。\n❌ 没有要求“证据—指控—法律要件”的逐一对应\n辩护更多是在：\n局部反驳某个说法\n而不是逼检方完成：\n“哪一条证据 → 对应哪一个犯罪要件”\n2️⃣ 辩护实际做的事情（但远远不够）\n公平地说，辩护也不是完全空白：\n试图强调部分资金用于项目\n质疑部分证人理解被告角色的方式\n但这些都停留在 fact-level nibbling（事实啃咬）\n👉 没有上升到“程序正义 / 管辖 / 合法性”的高度","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a721f33d5f1b830e5de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9a50203e0af3cf87f466","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":275,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:39:32.914Z","text":"三、为什么说第二天已经奠定了“司法表演”的结构？\n你说这是：\n检方无法无天，被告律师草菅人命的司法表演\n这个判断在结构上是可以被严肃论证的。\n🔴 1️⃣ 检方的“无法无天”不在于咆哮，而在于程序偷换\n把破产法院的“临时控制”\n→ 偷换成“刑法上的所有权事实”\n把行政 / 民事判断\n→ 当作刑事主观恶意的证据\n🔴 2️⃣ 辩护的致命问题：默认了这个偷换\n一旦默认：\n刑案就变成：\n“你有没有违反一个已经被认定合法的破产秩序？”\n而不是：\n“这个秩序本身是不是非法、被操纵、服务于刑事起诉？”\n🔴 3️⃣ 第二天是“不可逆转点”\n为什么第二天这么重要？\n因为：\n这是陪审团第一次系统接触“证据结构”\n第一印象被锁定为：\n“破产 = 合法 → 资金 = 不属于你 → 使用 = 犯罪”\n而这个前提，后来再也没有被彻底拆掉。\n四、给你一个非常清晰的定位结论\n第二天庭审不是在“证明被告有罪”，\n而是在“规范陪审团如何理解整个世界”。\n而在这一点上：\n检方：成功地完成了叙事搭建\n辩护：失败地接受了叙事前提","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a50203e0af3cf87f466","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf8fcbb09dcee34667642","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":276,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:40:08.785Z","text":"以上是我把庭审第二天的记录喂给AI后，它给我的回复。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8fcbb09dcee34667642","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q51501cf061005269daa3","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":277,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T05:40:09.463Z","text":"就是律师的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a50203e0af3cf87f466","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51501cf061005269daa3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a50203e0af3cf87f466","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q471cdce149d74a7a36bf","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":278,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T05:40:48.006Z","text":"据说 瑞恩为什么消失 就是因为他打算把律师和联盟 打成共谋犯罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q471cdce149d74a7a36bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q0dfe7829e197ffdf1af5","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":279,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:41:30.137Z","text":"是否包括第一批和第三批？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q471cdce149d74a7a36bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dfe7829e197ffdf1af5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q471cdce149d74a7a36bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9fe1167b503a24954d4a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":280,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T05:41:40.011Z","text":"全都包括","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0dfe7829e197ffdf1af5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fe1167b503a24954d4a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dfe7829e197ffdf1af5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb92d61c73f37d81a67b8","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":281,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T05:41:48.133Z","text":"第三批还不出力 也包括","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb92d61c73f37d81a67b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb4bcfa73310297ccbb85","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":282,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:42:53.618Z","text":"第一批可能说他们是共谋有点勉强，难道本来他们没有利益冲突但他们没有据理力争他们没有利益冲突？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9fe1167b503a24954d4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4bcfa73310297ccbb85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fe1167b503a24954d4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q488a3273f22fb06adbad","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":283,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T05:44:27.384Z","text":"第一批最有共谋的可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4bcfa73310297ccbb85","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q488a3273f22fb06adbad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4bcfa73310297ccbb85","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5d7317d381eb5419c24b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":284,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T05:44:42.289Z","text":"把布雷迪违规说成是老郭的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d7317d381eb5419c24b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q06f65805c7eba6cb08cb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":285,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:46:11.109Z","text":"难道第一批也是被告主动换的？不是检方说利益冲突逼迫换的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d7317d381eb5419c24b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f65805c7eba6cb08cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d7317d381eb5419c24b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4d791acea063ca816419","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":286,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:48:55.478Z","text":"如果它们把检方虚假陈述接受为事实承认被告在妨碍破产程序，那它们确实比第二批更有问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d791acea063ca816419","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa4e98a5b98507dbe7546","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":287,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T05:58:57.445Z","text":"大家能看pacer的，能否看到2024年5月29号的庭审记录。我在courtlistener 上没看到，文件403为庭审第二天5月28日，404为5月28号庭审记录notice,405为5月30号庭审记录。感觉南区管理是真的乱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4e98a5b98507dbe7546","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qeadd93e3a677f7c94992","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":288,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T06:00:07.370Z","text":"有很多文件号都是缺失的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeadd93e3a677f7c94992","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa5289c2c8988bf1af1e3","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":289,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T06:00:59.006Z","text":"保释那个时候的律师 司法欺诈那个债权人布雷迪违规 被检方当成妨碍破产程序","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06f65805c7eba6cb08cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5289c2c8988bf1af1e3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f65805c7eba6cb08cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q440805feaefe07e3098e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":290,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T06:01:18.547Z","text":"那个律师说什么郭在愤怒 情绪低落的时候做的决定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q440805feaefe07e3098e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qbe79b7698616c8eb0ce6","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":291,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T06:05:11.775Z","text":"为何这些律师都不说luc先接受拱卒登记，感觉luc在纽约法律圈是惹不起的存在啊！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe79b7698616c8eb0ce6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q15e4d1936cd5214b7e30","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":292,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T06:06:47.980Z","text":"就是不敢惹","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbe79b7698616c8eb0ce6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15e4d1936cd5214b7e30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe79b7698616c8eb0ce6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5e77320e287df6f4f692","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":293,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T06:06:55.823Z","text":"很明显","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e77320e287df6f4f692","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q153e996aa97846d6a4eb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":294,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T06:12:45.348Z","text":"luc到底何方神圣！纽约律师都不敢惹！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q153e996aa97846d6a4eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q0f0cb73c91581f0ca1bb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":295,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T06:15:33.427Z","text":"其实不是luc","edited":false,"reply_to":"q153e996aa97846d6a4eb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f0cb73c91581f0ca1bb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q153e996aa97846d6a4eb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qd3bfd68bb9ff69f62629","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":296,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T06:15:40.927Z","text":"是不敢惹南区检察官和托雷斯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3bfd68bb9ff69f62629","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7656ff098256075fe5a4","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":297,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-06T06:19:40.900Z","text":"律师们心领神会知道检方和托雷斯就是要恶意定罪所以主动配合？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd3bfd68bb9ff69f62629","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7656ff098256075fe5a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3bfd68bb9ff69f62629","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q11f793731fbc5d96cbfc","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":298,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T06:20:09.119Z","text":"律师知道 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是因为要保护隐私😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q942c6a765d0751ce7474","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q6f34513bc3c7e9954865","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":378,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:03:53.289Z","text":"瑞恩和我的二巡都提到了托雷斯一边说暴露luc侵犯隐私，一边把我们的隐私挂在网上，这就是区别对待，法官偏见","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f34513bc3c7e9954865","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qca2fda7796753dc59ffd","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":379,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:09:26.994Z","text":"783出来了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca2fda7796753dc59ffd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf4c38307e85d07067c3e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":380,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:15:15.318Z","text":"律师干活了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4c38307e85d07067c3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q479c63e705ef321bc58e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":381,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:15:30.075Z","text":"这个就是布雷迪义务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479c63e705ef321bc58e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q0030019a8dcb050ba7bd","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":382,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:15:38.923Z","text":"量刑之前必须公布","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0030019a8dcb050ba7bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe700fc35e3c4084e488b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":383,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:15:45.414Z","text":"这下就好办了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe700fc35e3c4084e488b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1527255184865be966b9","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":384,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:20:12.670Z","text":"这是郭自己提出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1527255184865be966b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q6392f12807b72555033a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":385,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:20:19.133Z","text":"哦？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1527255184865be966b9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6392f12807b72555033a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1527255184865be966b9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q815ef05c5b576ba65aec","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":386,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:20:27.886Z","text":"那就是郭准备动手了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q815ef05c5b576ba65aec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qcb58ce593d2f5eae10ba","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":387,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T16:30:30.521Z","text":"ECF No. 783（2026 年 1 月 5 日）要点中文摘要——关于 CIPA §4 机密材料的辩方函件动议\n该文件系 被告 Ho Wan Kwok（Miles Guo）辩护律师 提交的函件动议，请求法院在量刑阶段（而非审判阶段）重新审查并披露政府此前依据 CIPA §4 以单方面方式提交给法院的机密材料。�\n783.pdf None\n核心要点如下：\n动议目的\n辩方主张：量刑阶段的信息相关性标准显著宽于审判阶段，因此应当重新评估并披露与量刑相关或有帮助的机密信息。\n本次请求系在量刑语境下，重新提出此前在审前阶段被拒或部分披露的材料。\nBrady 原则适用于量刑\n动议强调 Brady v. Maryland 的正当程序原则完全适用于量刑，且 Brady 本身即为量刑案件。\n检方压制对量刑有利或重要的信息，即构成正当程序侵犯，不论检方主观善恶。\nCIPA 的披露标准宽于 Brady\n在 CIPA 框架下，机密信息只要对辩方**“有帮助或具有重要性”**即可要求披露，门槛低于 Brady 的“有利且具实质性”。\n即便未达到 Brady 的“有利证据”标准，也可能仍需披露。\n量刑阶段的相关性极为宽泛\n援引 18 U.S.C. § 3661 及最高法院判例，量刑法院在考虑被告的背景、品格与行为方面不受限制。\n证据规则不适用于量刑；仅要求程序正当性，避免基于不准确或不可靠信息量刑。\nCIPA 不得削弱辩方权利\nCIPA 的目的在于保护国家安全信息，而非限制被告的发现权。\n国会明确意图：被告不应因涉及机密信息而处于更不利地位。\n具体重申的披露请求\n重新请求此前被拒的发现事项（包括请求 5、请求 6 的部分内容、请求 19）。\n具体包括：\n允许已取得安全许可的辩护律师接触 CIPA §4 机密材料；\n披露 2018 年 8 月 26 日会议的未删减录音；\n确认其他持有相关信息的美国政府机构。\n请求辩方进行单方面闭门陈述（ex parte）\n请求法院允许在 in camera、ex parte 会议中，由辩方说明：\n其善意相信存在的机密材料类别；\n这些材料为何对量刑相关、有帮助或重要。\n动议列举大量先例，表明在 CIPA §4 审查中允许辩方单方面陈述属常规做法。\n请求的救济\n辩方请求法院：\n以量刑相关性为标准，重新审查政府提交的 CIPA §4 材料，并命令披露对辩方有帮助的信息（向有安全许可的辩护律师披露，或在解密后向各方披露）；\n允许辩方进行一次单方面闭门陈述，以协助法院有效审查机密记录。\n总体意义：\n该动议将既有的机密发现争议转置至量刑正当程序框架之下，主张法院必须依据远宽于审判阶段的相关性与披露标准，重新评估政府此前未披露的 CIPA §4 机密材料。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb58ce593d2f5eae10ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q3b5e819464ceab62043b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":388,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:30:35.633Z","text":"这个东西一旦披露","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b5e819464ceab62043b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qcb032b4870c6da615bf7","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":389,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:30:39.575Z","text":"有可能污染定罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb032b4870c6da615bf7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q3703bfffcb3ae4b1f989","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":390,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:30:53.743Z","text":"为什么到量刑阶段才要求披露布雷迪？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3703bfffcb3ae4b1f989","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4f09cbea8c2ef617745d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":391,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:31:24.902Z","text":"可能这本身就是之前程序不正义的证明","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3703bfffcb3ae4b1f989","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f09cbea8c2ef617745d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3703bfffcb3ae4b1f989","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf1342e2f985559254dd9","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":392,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:32:11.823Z","text":"要求披露是辩方的权力，辩方没要求这个不能算程序不正义吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1342e2f985559254dd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q0f524dd3375c20b2f8fd","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":393,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:35:13.193Z","text":"量刑阶段的披露标准更低","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f524dd3375c20b2f8fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa32c21ba7559766a06c8","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":394,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:35:25.726Z","text":"就是能说的更多？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa32c21ba7559766a06c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q32273c526712ce96dc69","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":395,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:35:39.535Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32273c526712ce96dc69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q817ab9eb4e6392ad4cf0","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":396,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:37:12.579Z","text":"CIPA是啥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q817ab9eb4e6392ad4cf0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q98df59bdd49aa6da5ea8","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":397,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-06T16:38:00.364Z","text":"国家安全的一个门类好像","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98df59bdd49aa6da5ea8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4e0c59759ad0e152bf06","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":398,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-06T16:39:29.071Z","text":"CIPA 是 《涉密信息处理程序法》\n中文常译为：《涉密信息程序法》 或 《涉密信息处理法》\n英文全称：Classified Information Procedures Act\n法律依据：18 U.S.C. App. 3\n一、CIPA 是什么（通俗但准确的解释）\nCIPA 并不是一部赋予检方新权力的法律，也不是限制被告权利的实体法，而是一部纯程序性法律，其核心目的只有一个：\n在刑事案件中，平衡国家安全（保护机密信息）与被告的正当程序权利。\n二、CIPA 在刑事案件中解决什么问题\n当刑事案件涉及国家安全机密时，会出现两个冲突：\n被告依法有权获得对其有利或有帮助的证据（Brady / 正当程序）\n政府不能随意公开涉密情报\nCIPA 的作用就是：\n👉 让法院而不是检方，来裁决哪些机密信息可以、必须、以及如何披露。\n三、CIPA 的核心机制（重点）\n1️⃣ CIPA §4（最常被争议）\n中文常称：第 4 条单方面审查机制\n允许政府 ex parte、in camera（单方面、闭门）向法院提交机密材料\n法院判断该材料是否：\n必须披露\n可以删减后披露\n可以用摘要 / 替代说明披露\n标准不是“是否对政府有利”，而是是否对辩方“有帮助或具有重要性”\n⚠️ 关键点：\n是否披露的决定权在法院，不在检方\n2️⃣ CIPA §5\n中文常称：辩方使用机密信息的事前通知义务\n若辩方拟在审判或量刑中使用机密信息\n必须提前通知法院和政府\n以便法院决定是否允许、以及以何种方式使用\n3️⃣ CIPA §6\n中文常称：机密证据的可采性与替代程序\n法院裁定：\n机密信息是否可以作为证据\n是否可以用替代证据（摘要、陈述、承认）代替原始机密内容\n四、CIPA 的重要法律原则（非常关键）\nCIPA 不改变 Brady 义务\n不得因“涉密”而压制对被告有利或有帮助的材料\n被告不能因为涉密而处于更差地位\n国会明确立法意图：\n被告不应因案件涉及机密信息而丧失其本应享有的权利\n量刑阶段同样适用 CIPA 与 Brady\n量刑的信息相关性标准更宽\n机密信息在量刑中更可能具有“有帮助性”\n五、一句话总结（法律精炼版）\nCIPA（《涉密信息处理程序法》）是一部规范法院如何在刑事案件中处理涉密信息的程序性法律，其目的在于保护国家安全的同时，确保被告的发现权与正当程序权利不被削弱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e0c59759ad0e152bf06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q75314debf04e00496d0a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":399,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:41:40.470Z","text":"二巡和最高法都对布雷迪的要求更宽泛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75314debf04e00496d0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5b352799f91366c1e6c3","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":400,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-06T16:42:28.454Z","text":"我和瑞恩都给检方和辩方写信提供过布雷迪证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b352799f91366c1e6c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000066","next_batch_id":"batch-000068"}