{"id":"batch-000067","number":67,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-01-04T13:50:44.413Z","date_end":"2026-01-09T04:23:52.347Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 067 (Jan 4, 2026 – Jan 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions focus on three post-trial appellate tracks: procedural fairness, procedural boundaries, and evidentiary sufficiency. Participants debate whether docket orders 528, 596, and 679 with judicial screening constitute an improper filing injunction, and dispute nonparty standing, service timing, and records access. Substantive debates question whether creditor registrations link assets to fraud elements or reflect political narratives, while strategic divisions pit procedural remedies like IFP, Second Circuit mandamus, and CIPA Section 4 or Brady disclosures against substantive evidentiary challenges.","guide_en":[{"title":"Dispute over Procedural Escalation: Whether Orders 528, 596, and 679 Constitute a Screening Filing Injunction","description":"Participants debate whether orders 528 and 596 impose a de facto filing injunction without requisite procedural protections.","message_ids":["qf33a90ae345577cd6f61","q28376c8b53977aa3773e","q3ca9127a60bbc84f9c57"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf33a90ae345577cd6f61","summary_en":"chu*** contends that order 596 threatened filing restrictions and forced the submission of motion 679 under victim status, requesting vacatur of orders 528 and 596 along with judicial recusal on Jan 2, 2026."},{"message_id":"q28376c8b53977aa3773e","summary_en":"him*** contends that the screening mechanism in order 596 operates as a filing injunction without satisfying required procedural standards, and questions equating docketing with actual receipt."},{"message_id":"q3ca9127a60bbc84f9c57","summary_en":"him*** argues that requiring pre-approval for Crime Victims’ Rights Act filings under order 596 creates a circular barrier to establishing victim status."}]},{"title":"Lack of Prior Notice and Pre-Docket Screening: The Boundary Between Docketing and Due Process","description":"Participants evaluate whether suddenly imposing filing screening without prior warning or procedural transition violates due process.","message_ids":["q1636c1b04f52641c9875","qae81c6e303d483921c5d","q249e2ce00ac611edf292"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1636c1b04f52641c9875","summary_en":"him*** argues that a mandamus petition can challenge filing restrictions by asserting unclarified CVRA status and the lack of procedural transition."},{"message_id":"qae81c6e303d483921c5d","summary_en":"him*** 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sentencing stage."},{"message_id":"qf6042794cdb46dbce724","summary_en":"him*** describes CIPA Section 4 as a mechanism for ex parte judicial review of classified information, contending its relevance standard at sentencing is broader than Brady."},{"message_id":"q817ab9eb4e6392ad4cf0","summary_en":"ntp*** asks what CIPA entails."}]},{"title":"Evidentiary Foundations: Matching Creditor Registrations, Testimony, and Fraud Elements","description":"Participants question whether creditor claims and witness testimonies legally link the defendant to G-series entities.","message_ids":["q41d8dd39c66abcd12165","q25d9d6a7d821e33bcc9a","q99d6bff299d38482b611"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q41d8dd39c66abcd12165","summary_en":"him*** argues that creditor registrations cannot establish a connection to G-series entities without evidence of monetary transactions."},{"message_id":"q25d9d6a7d821e33bcc9a","summary_en":"him*** asks how prosecutors established that G-series entities belonged to the 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Torres 720 确认检方扣押资产 6.34亿 游艇 豪车 豪宅 归美国政府所有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6440ee541c6f332b24c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q12033ec3e60e3ebdea01","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":804,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:27:38.209Z","text":"gclub的钱 再付luc律师费？？？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q678105259e311f023a6f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12033ec3e60e3ebdea01","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q678105259e311f023a6f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1eebf3a38ab00c98dee3","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":805,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:27:51.151Z","text":"是这样吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1eebf3a38ab00c98dee3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qfeb3a5bcf9c97a1fc14e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":806,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:28:51.626Z","text":"724？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc54f88ec10a8d1ebad1d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfeb3a5bcf9c97a1fc14e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc54f88ec10a8d1ebad1d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qd7c6acbed1e6fed8bc27","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":807,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T01:31:47.310Z","text":"大家在二巡，一定要把733附件a的内容直接写进文件里，一个是法官都是你写什么他们看什么，他们不会，且按照美国司法文化也不应该自己去看，直接写到你提交给二巡的文件里。更重要的是，要把luc先接受拱卒的虚假债权直接写到文件里，把破产文件里债权人登记的那个文件里，债权人增减，债权金额增减的时间线整理出来，其它内容，733附件a已经帮大家整理了，特别是要提到：Luc 2025 年 6 月 10 日的听证会，可以确认检方欺诈法庭。去把这个反映听证会里这部分内容的破产文件找出来，作为附件整合进二巡文件里。债权人登记文件的时间线里，如果后来luc删除了拱卒的虚假债权，那就是它自己确认了自己接受了虚假债权，如果没有，就在二巡请求，除了强制luc听证，还要强制拱卒和朱莉娅过来听证。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7c6acbed1e6fed8bc27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7aa4c58a9ca463984b3d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":808,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:32:37.067Z","text":"按照Jason zen的先例，先853n，然后转cvra，compel docketing多次，引用Ryan bai，二巡成功率会增加","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa4c58a9ca463984b3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7e0afeab89ced17dd982","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":809,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:33:46.177Z","text":"二巡只管程序问题，而且是必须确认了这个程序问题不能在地区法院解决，他才会立案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd7c6acbed1e6fed8bc27","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e0afeab89ced17dd982","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7c6acbed1e6fed8bc27","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qef9926e6dd3114d9769d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":810,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:34:16.893Z","text":"我觉得你这个诉求连二巡都没办法🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd7c6acbed1e6fed8bc27","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef9926e6dd3114d9769d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7c6acbed1e6fed8bc27","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4dc33d9d029e8dc3ba23","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":811,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T01:34:46.598Z","text":"不确定。Gclub 是一本万利的肥猪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1eebf3a38ab00c98dee3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dc33d9d029e8dc3ba23","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1eebf3a38ab00c98dee3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q8cde8286835ea82a8b34","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":812,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:34:50.556Z","text":"反正现在第三方保底是老郭判了之后 百分百翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cde8286835ea82a8b34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe60efa70eb19c1eb53c6","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":813,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:35:08.396Z","text":"但量刑前 难度比较大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe60efa70eb19c1eb53c6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5e1eeaae8bff847ec58b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":814,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T01:35:48.968Z","text":"一定是。除了ladymay等被告家人的资产,其它的钱全是我们投资者的。luc唯一可以争辩的是那6000万可以用拍卖所谓的被告财产（实际是其家族基金的财产）来报销，但这也不能构成先花费我们的钱再报销的合法理由，应该它自己垫付。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf9f91b4ef10add79fbac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e1eeaae8bff847ec58b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9f91b4ef10add79fbac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qae717977f3a94cb612fa","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":815,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:38:45.138Z","text":"所以luc花的是gclub银行账号里面的钱？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5e1eeaae8bff847ec58b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae717977f3a94cb612fa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e1eeaae8bff847ec58b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q37d0f24cee14e4fded9e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":816,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T01:38:45.768Z","text":"它未经正当程序扣押，滥用职权长期临时扣押都是非法的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37d0f24cee14e4fded9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q760815557c1abc91fe0f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":817,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:38:50.559Z","text":"不是被冻结了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q760815557c1abc91fe0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q6c9a42deea5088410ea1","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":818,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T01:40:03.500Z","text":"就是检方没有执行初步没收令没有冻结啊，还在750里挑衅法院说法院无权决定政府何时以及如何执行初步没收令。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q760815557c1abc91fe0f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c9a42deea5088410ea1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q760815557c1abc91fe0f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q2581d24c0dd8facc7745","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":819,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:40:48.003Z","text":"你记不记得律师说luc花几千万是几号文件","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c9a42deea5088410ea1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2581d24c0dd8facc7745","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c9a42deea5088410ea1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q268409b0f795a23dc17f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":820,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:41:02.536Z","text":"如果这样的话 司法欺诈可以打废他们","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c9a42deea5088410ea1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q268409b0f795a23dc17f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c9a42deea5088410ea1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf7c2c4dc9ded36cdbfb8","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":821,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T01:42:52.871Z","text":"反正是被它扣押的2亿多美元里。主要是gclub和农场借款的钱。如果案件一直拖下去，它把这部分钱挥霍完了，还可以花喜交易所的6亿多美金，因为它控制了所有它认为属于被告控制的实体，也就是所有g系列实体。这个是破产法庭文件717给它的授权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qae717977f3a94cb612fa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7c2c4dc9ded36cdbfb8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae717977f3a94cb612fa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q08f18b22c9bf77562e44","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":822,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T01:42:59.745Z","text":"724","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2581d24c0dd8facc7745","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08f18b22c9bf77562e44","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2581d24c0dd8facc7745","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q377dd2d1c37da0297a0e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":823,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T01:47:34.853Z","text":"724 page 7 of 8 - 7/31/2025， luc花了6千万， 4千4百万律师费","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q377dd2d1c37da0297a0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe7e36756330158e3569f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":824,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:48:47.929Z","text":"谁有检方初步没收令里面的所有冻结的账户清单？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7e36756330158e3569f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1db3dde89f4ef32ca30a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":825,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:49:14.072Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  各位 我现在才发现 724 律师好像给第三方递了刀子","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db3dde89f4ef32ca30a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q268777341711f6308bd9","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":826,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T01:50:49.730Z","text":"这个刀子 已经被上了二巡的853 用了，但是二巡以同样的理由拒绝了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q268777341711f6308bd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf3cdc65e46d9cef10e54","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":827,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:51:47.415Z","text":"现在上二巡只能是CVra","edited":false,"reply_to":"q268777341711f6308bd9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3cdc65e46d9cef10e54","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q268777341711f6308bd9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qc3f65372816c7655fe82","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":828,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:52:01.648Z","text":"二巡的据信已经给你提示了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3f65372816c7655fe82","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb99d93091d4f2426d8e4","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":829,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:53:00.295Z","text":"想上二巡的，多学习Jason zen","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7aa4c58a9ca463984b3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb99d93091d4f2426d8e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa4c58a9ca463984b3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q237258fe717e8a909bd5","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":830,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:54:59.727Z","text":"瑞恩其实已经打过了 他说 luc 检方 司法欺诈 你们谁都没资格拿钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q237258fe717e8a909bd5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qea28c28a407ef3c529c0","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":831,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T01:55:36.875Z","text":"我也是第一份853，然后CVRA，然后混合体一次，然后二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7aa4c58a9ca463984b3d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea28c28a407ef3c529c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa4c58a9ca463984b3d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q82974993ff1592245b9b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":832,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T01:55:47.197Z","text":"jason的南区被上传的文件不是cvra，按照二巡的拒信模板，jason也没有在南区成功上传cvra文件，也可以拒绝了。但没有拒绝，所以应该还有其它因素。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb99d93091d4f2426d8e4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82974993ff1592245b9b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb99d93091d4f2426d8e4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q74831d49b450d286f05e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":833,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:56:26.035Z","text":"Cvra 二巡也可以拒绝，因为sarah就被拒绝了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q82974993ff1592245b9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74831d49b450d286f05e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82974993ff1592245b9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qde7382e4f509329bad5e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":834,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:56:36.276Z","text":"那是因为她没有穷尽","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde7382e4f509329bad5e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q6a28e39532f397325158","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":835,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:56:45.367Z","text":"就是欺软怕硬","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74831d49b450d286f05e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a28e39532f397325158","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74831d49b450d286f05e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7cd6a7ebb84c640e7a75","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":836,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:57:18.921Z","text":"Jason zen发了多次compel docketing，而且他引用Ryan bai","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cd6a7ebb84c640e7a75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qc81c3686baa4fea754eb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":837,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:57:21.283Z","text":"瑞恩的强制令写 瑞恩自己发现司法欺诈 南区不上传 只能申请强制令 二巡马上立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc81c3686baa4fea754eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q96cedfbf2a4cf284efeb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":838,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T01:57:41.507Z","text":"瑞恩好像没写compel","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96cedfbf2a4cf284efeb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qaa821c6837e0b74a4a4d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":839,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:57:43.599Z","text":"Ryan bai的强制令说他打给南区，南区说因为隐私原因不会上传了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa821c6837e0b74a4a4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q6ab542453d9899d1cfbc","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":840,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:57:54.551Z","text":"那就是南区永远不会上传了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ab542453d9899d1cfbc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q2656ec6ee42d7a209312","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":841,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:57:58.628Z","text":"所以穷尽了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2656ec6ee42d7a209312","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q676f4ff80f4e3d889c0f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":842,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:58:06.514Z","text":"Sarah说了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q676f4ff80f4e3d889c0f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qd168ff0081f19a577289","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":843,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:58:40.668Z","text":"他如果没说，二巡只会让他等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd168ff0081f19a577289","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q61bfa20548d90df89680","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":844,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:58:55.073Z","text":"你必须说服二巡，你的动议永远不上传","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61bfa20548d90df89680","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qefe079e97e84ff4b5a86","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":845,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:59:02.394Z","text":"不然二巡肯定让你等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefe079e97e84ff4b5a86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4f5067732fa90b2f2bb6","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":846,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T01:59:45.638Z","text":"而且二巡回复Ryan bai 的意思，还是让他等","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f5067732fa90b2f2bb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe5cd7646954696e87948","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":847,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T02:00:24.319Z","text":"如何从853 转CVRA？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea28c28a407ef3c529c0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5cd7646954696e87948","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea28c28a407ef3c529c0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q0b6179a6143b45ca8714","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":848,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:00:31.885Z","text":"等量刑结束","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f5067732fa90b2f2bb6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b6179a6143b45ca8714","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f5067732fa90b2f2bb6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qfb661d0ffb814b815e87","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":849,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:00:46.013Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]我觉得如果不出意外 老郭翻案确实要量刑结束了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb661d0ffb814b815e87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe3c5fd596ec6c90f168f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":850,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T02:01:00.296Z","text":"可以853和CVRA 混合双打","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5cd7646954696e87948","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c5fd596ec6c90f168f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5cd7646954696e87948","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q2872dc0f519f3c4f8f81","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":851,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T02:01:12.272Z","text":"所以要用luc正在挥霍争议资产，继续等就会造成不可逆伤害，不能等。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2872dc0f519f3c4f8f81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qbdf43df7d1c788d29831","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":852,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:01:13.599Z","text":"这段时间 第三方要赶紧把所有司法记录上去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdf43df7d1c788d29831","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9a5c063d9f8da0635a67","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":853,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:01:24.300Z","text":"这个是最高法的事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2872dc0f519f3c4f8f81","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a5c063d9f8da0635a67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2872dc0f519f3c4f8f81","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1c7fd3bfed4330187e9a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":854,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T02:01:26.144Z","text":"不过现在你就直接CVRA呗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c7fd3bfed4330187e9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q94820d9b9cec279c5b45","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":855,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:01:56.278Z","text":"现在唯一的变量是瑞恩说的深水炸弹 如果那个爆炸 这个案子就爆炸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94820d9b9cec279c5b45","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qcda6508099e2cb9a86d0","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":856,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T02:02:15.172Z","text":"我觉得你现在马上CVRA，去南区，然后再去二巡，抓紧时间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcda6508099e2cb9a86d0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q2ec0fe4761415dba2301","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":857,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:02:27.988Z","text":"我观察瑞恩的只言片语 大概知道这是个什么事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ec0fe4761415dba2301","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9f9c1c89ead651daf14f","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":858,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T02:02:42.700Z","text":"说来听听？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2ec0fe4761415dba2301","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f9c1c89ead651daf14f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ec0fe4761415dba2301","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa71e5437ddc6fd51dde7","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":859,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T02:02:49.018Z","text":"在二巡把这个环节打通，更有可执行性。只要立案，就能留下司法记录。最高法案都很难立。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a5c063d9f8da0635a67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71e5437ddc6fd51dde7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a5c063d9f8da0635a67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q386e794d818e00272df1","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":860,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:02:59.002Z","text":"先不说了 😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9f9c1c89ead651daf14f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q386e794d818e00272df1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f9c1c89ead651daf14f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb0af2ee6ffb5e337b45a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":861,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:03:32.290Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa71e5437ddc6fd51dde7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0af2ee6ffb5e337b45a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa71e5437ddc6fd51dde7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q04c847c699ddd82fb1ac","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":862,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:03:38.717Z","text":"其实瑞恩司法欺诈 解释一切了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04c847c699ddd82fb1ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q65caea2baf2931995915","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":863,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:03:48.853Z","text":"螺丝哥说d破产案刑事案的绑定","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65caea2baf2931995915","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb379e843f3562be881c0","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":864,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:03:59.746Z","text":"一切都可用733解释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb379e843f3562be881c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb2094b8985373b3aec6a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":865,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T02:04:22.168Z","text":"谁？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcda6508099e2cb9a86d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2094b8985373b3aec6a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcda6508099e2cb9a86d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5552f95c4ddfcd61b13e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":866,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T02:04:29.035Z","text":"我今天听小皮匠直播说783里的布雷迪，一本正经地装砖家","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5552f95c4ddfcd61b13e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q3115e3fe1121f4e6a00e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":867,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T02:04:37.105Z","text":"你","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2094b8985373b3aec6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3115e3fe1121f4e6a00e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2094b8985373b3aec6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5806c3823c8b29c4ec65","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":868,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:04:41.950Z","text":"都是我们说剩下的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5552f95c4ddfcd61b13e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5806c3823c8b29c4ec65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5552f95c4ddfcd61b13e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa0e5e52f7e182ac43814","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":869,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T02:05:07.931Z","text":"？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdbb5b92d92fb57e9407b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0e5e52f7e182ac43814","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7fce46946afd506a2b35","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":870,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:05:45.740Z","text":"你现在受害者介入 你就说 由于853强制令被拒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fce46946afd506a2b35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q3237a263ae89f545ffeb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":871,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:05:52.057Z","text":"你曾经说你死都不当受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3237a263ae89f545ffeb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1e5b28910a5c4802ed34","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":872,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:06:02.732Z","text":"但为了强制令你不得不当受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e5b28910a5c4802ed34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q657e6ca0aae032cab860","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":873,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:06:18.130Z","text":"这就是南区不给上传逼的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q657e6ca0aae032cab860","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q18e47f74cf2f5e8046a5","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":874,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T02:06:22.920Z","text":"对哦，高👏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e5b28910a5c4802ed34","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18e47f74cf2f5e8046a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e5b28910a5c4802ed34","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q854ee32579bf396a888d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":875,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:06:38.479Z","text":"这就是南区间接的司法强迫","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q854ee32579bf396a888d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf5d5373b0fd0c5b29f37","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":876,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:06:42.918Z","text":"coercion","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5d5373b0fd0c5b29f37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb228167d5e0d03a98d9b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":877,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T02:06:48.833Z","text":"写给二巡？ 还是南区？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q657e6ca0aae032cab860","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb228167d5e0d03a98d9b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q657e6ca0aae032cab860","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb94323069e37f8339f28","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":878,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:07:35.571Z","text":"南区可以说一下 由于不给上传 你要申请强制令  为了增加通过率 你只能当受害者 即使你之前声明不当受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb228167d5e0d03a98d9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb94323069e37f8339f28","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb228167d5e0d03a98d9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qaf0d5795785e9de18ddd","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":879,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:07:49.763Z","text":"这都是因为南区阻断你正当程序导致的 司法强迫","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf0d5795785e9de18ddd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q505bf569633d0015a8e1","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":880,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T02:08:00.996Z","text":"然后以此为由再上二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q505bf569633d0015a8e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q45c2a118f84716b722fe","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":881,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T02:09:03.978Z","text":"再加上为了增加通过率，是为了保护自己的财产权，因为争议资产正在被政府受托人luc挥霍。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb94323069e37f8339f28","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45c2a118f84716b722fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb94323069e37f8339f28","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q0291e2e84d88601f773e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":882,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T02:09:08.115Z","text":"那个越南曾是以853 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文件形式合格（签名、当事人、关联案件明确）\n\n书记员的动作是固定的：\n\n👉 1️⃣ 直接分配 docket number（案号）\n\n例如：\n\nCase No. 25-30XX\n\n这是行政动作，不是司法裁量。\n\n📌 注意：\n案号 ≠ 法官已经同意你\n案号 = “我们收到了，这是一个案件”","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d2e843a8f40c24da575","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qa8fd61f03e71870958e7","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":909,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T03:39:26.948Z","text":"就是免费的六百美元那个表？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8fd61f03e71870958e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q244224d4a9dd2d73a9f3","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":910,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:39:31.149Z","text":"是","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8fd61f03e71870958e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q244224d4a9dd2d73a9f3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8fd61f03e71870958e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q3593c63c3c126819d8b4","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":911,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:39:35.890Z","text":"还能这样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3593c63c3c126819d8b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q27e65b3dd62d222bbc2c","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":912,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T03:39:55.894Z","text":"那岂不是比出了六百还好？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27e65b3dd62d222bbc2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qe2eff77057f8b65cdf01","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":913,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:40:48.710Z","text":"正常情况下 好像是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":"q27e65b3dd62d222bbc2c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2eff77057f8b65cdf01","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27e65b3dd62d222bbc2c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1654a7e660255e56af47","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":914,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T03:43:29.059Z","text":"那[删节：成员身份]这次也不要出六百","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1654a7e660255e56af47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4fd5483257091a0e9eb1","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":915,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:43:49.017Z","text":"不会吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q888f8d1546ecdeb4698b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fd5483257091a0e9eb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q6513ddffc694a23f14d0","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":916,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:44:01.641Z","text":"好像就是这样 你查查","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4fd5483257091a0e9eb1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6513ddffc694a23f14d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fd5483257091a0e9eb1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qc0ef34539c88d415ecef","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":917,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:44:11.686Z","text":"ifp就能直接立案？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0ef34539c88d415ecef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q73fd0f6ea23cb3145912","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":918,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:44:17.094Z","text":"不可能吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73fd0f6ea23cb3145912","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qb644e714c190ce30d142","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":919,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:44:42.678Z","text":"你也仔细查查","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0ef34539c88d415ecef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb644e714c190ce30d142","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0ef34539c88d415ecef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qff25c6dbb3b43eaecc6e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":920,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T03:45:49.090Z","text":"我找Gemini 确认了。确实如此。逻辑如下：​2. 为什么 IFP 会触发“自动立案”？\n​这是一个逻辑闭环：\n​您提交了 IFP 申请（免除诉讼费申请）。\n​书记员没有权力批准或拒绝 IFP 申请，只有法官有权批准或拒绝。\n​为了让法官看到这份 IFP 申请并做出裁决，这份文件必须进入法院的系统。\n​要进入系统，就必须有一个**“载体”**，这个载体就是 Docket Number（案号）。\n​结论： 为了处理您的 IFP 申请，法院被迫必须先给您立案。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe2eff77057f8b65cdf01","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff25c6dbb3b43eaecc6e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2eff77057f8b65cdf01","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q50920695e28ea58fc5e8","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":921,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:46:06.712Z","text":"机器人说必须是他们先批准了你的ifp，才会立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50920695e28ea58fc5e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qcef3fcc239fad25d6df6","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":922,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:46:52.146Z","text":"有钱人还被歧视了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcef3fcc239fad25d6df6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q5b62e27e1146e5711c9c","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":923,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:47:29.848Z","text":"［用户 beg***］  你是自己付钱还是ifp","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b62e27e1146e5711c9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q1a30e0f4b2e00ee44c1c","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":924,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:49:22.439Z","text":"哦， 不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a30e0f4b2e00ee44c1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q14d07b794c8c01b744f2","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":925,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T03:49:23.448Z","text":"那[删节：成员身份]直接IFP，顺便解释一下自己虽然确实出得起600美金，但不妨碍自己的收入水平有资格申请IFP。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14d07b794c8c01b744f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q12ce7eaa4581df47453b","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":926,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:49:35.213Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q14d07b794c8c01b744f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12ce7eaa4581df47453b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14d07b794c8c01b744f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q39813eabe9b4412227a7","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":927,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:49:38.706Z","text":"ifp和强制令是两个不同程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39813eabe9b4412227a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qdab4d5c023ef9ea34225","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":928,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:49:47.476Z","text":"怎么说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39813eabe9b4412227a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdab4d5c023ef9ea34225","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39813eabe9b4412227a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf5092f46d14375b452be","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":929,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:50:09.250Z","text":"强制令立案之后，他们会审查你的ifp,如果ifp通过了，他们才会裁决你的强制令","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5092f46d14375b452be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9030a980ec6cf6f12ad0","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":930,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T03:52:22.216Z","text":"​1. 书记员的职责是“形式审查”，不是“实质审查”\n​行政职能（Ministerial Duty）： 二巡的书记员（Clerk's Office）的角色就像邮局的柜员。他们的职责是检查：信封贴没贴邮票（或者有没有免票申请 IFP）？地址写没写？里面有没有信？有没有签名？\n​非司法职能： 柜员无权打开信读内容，然后说：“我觉得你这封信写得没道理，我不给你寄。” 只有法官（Judges）才有权力阅读内容并判定是否有理。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9030a980ec6cf6f12ad0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q9bd0a5a953afeb1d5fd2","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":931,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:52:47.912Z","text":"我的理解 ifp可以直接书记员立案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9030a980ec6cf6f12ad0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bd0a5a953afeb1d5fd2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9030a980ec6cf6f12ad0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q791f6ac6821dac6edbca","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":932,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:53:20.633Z","text":"ifp和强制令是两个独立的程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q791f6ac6821dac6edbca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qfc0b236f18bc8215bfd9","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":933,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T03:53:31.497Z","text":"不走特别审查，那么是书记员形式审查过了就立案。书记员不能看强制令内容，看到ifp,就自动立案。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc0b236f18bc8215bfd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf29e954c4eac091a3c7a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":934,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:53:49.688Z","text":"付钱 可以让法官看看立不立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf29e954c4eac091a3c7a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q439d6a3c32014381028a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":935,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:54:34.730Z","text":"那个只是上诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc0b236f18bc8215bfd9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q439d6a3c32014381028a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc0b236f18bc8215bfd9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qd0ec6686932475764632","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":936,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:54:39.635Z","text":"强制令是不一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0ec6686932475764632","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q13597dcafed610c28fbb","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":937,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:54:47.205Z","text":"上诉基本上都会立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13597dcafed610c28fbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q86f975dfa4842ccf3326","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":938,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:54:55.131Z","text":"强制令他们要审查内容","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86f975dfa4842ccf3326","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q4ec3372f37e33cbb5177","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":939,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:55:00.994Z","text":"我觉得ifp无关","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ec3372f37e33cbb5177","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q3a3f48fcbf3d263c7967","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":940,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T03:55:06.758Z","text":"应该不会说同一个人同时寄了强制令申请个ifp申请，书记员给你分两次立案。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a3f48fcbf3d263c7967","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q895a46cb35a136e804ea","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":941,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:55:22.033Z","text":"自诉本来就会被审查内容，尤其是强制令，就更严格","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q895a46cb35a136e804ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qd4846b4007410046d801","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":942,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:56:01.163Z","text":"不会有两个立案，但是他们是两个不相关的程序","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3a3f48fcbf3d263c7967","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4846b4007410046d801","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a3f48fcbf3d263c7967","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q76b00249960aa5993eb0","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":943,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:56:09.596Z","text":"法官不会管ifp吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76b00249960aa5993eb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7f33f77690a2dab020ea","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":944,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:56:19.893Z","text":"ifp应该是有其他人审查的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f33f77690a2dab020ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qcbb450c13d0cb3de9123","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":945,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T03:57:50.441Z","text":"自诉被审查内容和格式是很正常的，因为没有律师，至少他们要看一下你是不是乱发的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbb450c13d0cb3de9123","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7557b33b0722e67e5c8d","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":946,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:58:07.585Z","text":"破案了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7557b33b0722e67e5c8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q89f0b1bc93a3b8cd37d9","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":947,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T03:58:12.070Z","text":"［用户 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不审查内容","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce56e8216074b84959b0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q469af249eb173b253784","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce56e8216074b84959b0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"qf886f3ecc8104f86147a","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":984,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T04:13:44.857Z","text":"为什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf886f3ecc8104f86147a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000067"},{"id":"q7a87c02fac253a8a483e","batch_id":"batch-000067","seq":985,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T04:14:09.384Z","text":"有ifp 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