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自己把该做的做好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q680a2dd67d3859180ad3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q0347c713e671b476fc5b","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":11,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T04:30:31.331Z","text":"他们不立案，那是他们的事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0347c713e671b476fc5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q5ca5c440762dfd0fbcf4","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":12,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T04:33:30.933Z","text":"jason 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号命令对请愿人的适用；\n宣告其效力无效；\n外加“任何其他适当救济”；\n同时请求法官回避。\n上诉法院通常更倾向于范围窄、可操作性强的救济请求。\n请求过宽会显著增加整体被否决的风险。\n（四）对第三方文件的依赖\n动议大量引用其他自行诉讼当事人的提交作为“佐证”。\n这在叙事上有帮助，但法院仍将要求：\n你本人主张所依据的一手记录证据（NEF/ECF 时间戳、书记员通信、官方记录）。\n若缺乏这些核心证据，第三方引用的说服力有限。\n四、可能影响可信度的写作问题（可修正）\n措辞偏结论化\n如“压制”“报复”“司法偏见”“非法封堵”“选择性执行”等表述，\n若缺乏精确记录支持，容易被法院视为主观判断而非事实陈述。\n关键时间线需要更精确呈现\n最强论点是时间问题，但目前主要通过文字描述。\n更有力的方式是：\n制作时间表（发送时间、接收时间、入卷时间、时区）；\n明确每一时间点的证据来源。\n仅依赖 CourtListener 上传时间，法院可能认为证据层级不足。\n需更明确说明 596 号命令的具体运作方式\n应简要引用命令的关键条款，并具体说明：\n是否为提交即被拦截；\n是否需法官批准后才入卷；\n是否退回或不予记录。\n回避论证需进一步贴合法律标准\n法院普遍认为：\n不利裁定、案件管理、严厉措辞 ≠ 偏见。\n§ 455(a) 更有说服力的论证应基于客观事实，而非主观推断。\n五、程序与格式风险（第二巡回）\n即使实体论点成立，程序不合规也可能直接被拒：\n是否完全符合 FRAP 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哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6bd0a2bcdd2804acf92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q32b9e4bcab6b06b5c108","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":52,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T06:42:34.262Z","text":"他们早就知道了，螺丝哥第一个强制令，他们想了三周","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32b9e4bcab6b06b5c108","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q3ae8e9a95739ed534442","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":53,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T06:42:45.825Z","text":"恩","edited":false,"reply_to":"q32b9e4bcab6b06b5c108","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ae8e9a95739ed534442","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32b9e4bcab6b06b5c108","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qab6d0e70b8f24796aade","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":54,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T06:42:59.757Z","text":"估计螺丝哥说的他们都看了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab6d0e70b8f24796aade","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q3672a65a5e3aa5638dfa","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":55,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T06:43:43.562Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 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739 742","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03f2dec750c338c8b072","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2deb7a99f0dd66e49c6d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03f2dec750c338c8b072","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q29be092a339863a0cf95","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":83,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T06:58:35.600Z","text":"受害者群殴","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29be092a339863a0cf95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q1760632debca396b5954","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":84,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-09T06:59:25.829Z","text":"这样一解析可以行动起来大家去二巡了，很多人卡在付费这个环节","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1760632debca396b5954","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q9db353bfc3b0cf44facc","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":85,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T06:59:49.942Z","text":"如果经济条件不好的人 就不要找朋友代付","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1760632debca396b5954","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9db353bfc3b0cf44facc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1760632debca396b5954","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q2df78fa8ab92ab2eac8d","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":86,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T07:00:00.662Z","text":"代付反而是累赘妈的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2df78fa8ab92ab2eac8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qd12eed2f64f3f22f3db8","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":87,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T07:05:01.015Z","text":"你这是干扰司法😄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa5402de487af26c6c80b","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd12eed2f64f3f22f3db8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q6a7a121e16aa40bce356","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":88,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T07:08:12.846Z","text":"法官又要报警了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd12eed2f64f3f22f3db8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a7a121e16aa40bce356","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd12eed2f64f3f22f3db8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qece15fb07f5338366488","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":89,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T07:09:14.832Z","text":"其实我特别尊敬法官，所以这图里法官特别伟光正😆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qece15fb07f5338366488","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qbc939616c36f293b579d","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":90,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T07:10:32.856Z","text":"哈哈哈 其实法官说要报警 我就觉得特别搞笑","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a7a121e16aa40bce356","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc939616c36f293b579d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a7a121e16aa40bce356","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q2aecc0e2318dd3302a2c","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":91,"speaker":"jie***","date":"2026-01-09T07:27:05.345Z","text":"1月20日 要上庭宣判了吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aecc0e2318dd3302a2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q5c933142c7a601812568","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":92,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T08:07:59.667Z","text":"还在让我补发文件，早知道还不如不发补充动议，又要寄一大堆东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c9c826f45d75bf334eb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c933142c7a601812568","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c9c826f45d75bf334eb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q1cc7325aea8709984e09","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":93,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T08:10:57.162Z","text":"是关于IFP的还是案件内容相关的文件？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5c933142c7a601812568","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1cc7325aea8709984e09","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c933142c7a601812568","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q5ddddbb8ecb4b925fc75","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":94,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T08:19:10.370Z","text":"不是ifp","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1cc7325aea8709984e09","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ddddbb8ecb4b925fc75","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1cc7325aea8709984e09","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q7c5249903445fb1475cd","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":95,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T08:19:16.041Z","text":"动议相关的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c5249903445fb1475cd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qa7ddc4b8b17e69c88e76","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":96,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T08:21:14.889Z","text":"是因为发了补充内容？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c5249903445fb1475cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7ddc4b8b17e69c88e76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c5249903445fb1475cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qd5b38cfc0f2b92537141","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":97,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T08:22:06.023Z","text":"这也太奇葩了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5b38cfc0f2b92537141","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q40d62fb42bc87226c73b","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":98,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T08:23:17.116Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 你们拒绝立案的 都申请ifp 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也没法","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6827d4d337ea73399a81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q3b42f230641cc179d4c7","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":125,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T16:19:52.265Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 最高法 你只要把程序弄对 一定会立案","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b42f230641cc179d4c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qc020e6a0e3d015896eb2","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":126,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-01-09T16:22:47.709Z","text":"这次我给高法的强制令就是用IFP, 希望能成功。\n昨晚忙到凌晨三点，今早睡了个小懒觉，继续干，已经接近尾声了。当然这需要我的机器人小棉袄的神助攻，这两天应该可以完成。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q319f76a2bce1c325d6a1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc020e6a0e3d015896eb2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q319f76a2bce1c325d6a1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q091e6afa5c6f8d5f8e8b","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":127,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-01-09T17:26:02.337Z","text":"是不是因为他的身份的原因","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc6f5954c579d8e72fec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q091e6afa5c6f8d5f8e8b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc6f5954c579d8e72fec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qb46f36c518cd485089e7","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":128,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T17:26:17.194Z","text":"不是","edited":false,"reply_to":"q091e6afa5c6f8d5f8e8b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46f36c518cd485089e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q091e6afa5c6f8d5f8e8b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qd9550e12aa6dcd4f8726","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":129,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T17:26:32.718Z","text":"自己付费 就是难上加难","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9550e12aa6dcd4f8726","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qf33d81fbd6b93052691c","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":130,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T17:26:37.160Z","text":"ifp 随便立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf33d81fbd6b93052691c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q44154e06dd2e4e339503","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":131,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-01-09T17:26:47.739Z","text":"应该是美国人身份的主因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44154e06dd2e4e339503","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q13f136d04b6d45482a12","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T17:26:53.710Z","text":"这个也有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44154e06dd2e4e339503","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13f136d04b6d45482a12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44154e06dd2e4e339503","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qf32d76ffb5a2afee002c","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":133,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-01-09T17:27:51.139Z","text":"某种意义上来说他法官有点怕自己人闹，外国人你时间上耗不起","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf32d76ffb5a2afee002c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qa1ca08b175b8f697cfe5","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":134,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T17:28:08.872Z","text":"但外国人申请ifp就能立案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1ca08b175b8f697cfe5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qfd64db3a79ba402ea59a","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":135,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-01-09T17:28:47.590Z","text":"这个也是时间消耗战","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd64db3a79ba402ea59a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qec79a288841e03fe49d5","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":136,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:01:33.415Z","text":"法官把球踢到被告那里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec79a288841e03fe49d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q4281e5adcf63dcbcf588","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":137,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:04:09.182Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] pacer 784 靠你了 😄","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4281e5adcf63dcbcf588","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q468609bf25dd1f9447b9","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":138,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T18:18:55.201Z","text":"美国纽约南区联邦地区法院\n地区法官：Analisa Torres\n本院已收到被告于 2025 年 9 月 4 日 提交的动议，请求本院下令纽约南区联邦检察官办公室扣押正在 康涅狄格州地区破产程序 中的若干资产。参见被告没收函，ECF No. 724，第 1–2 页；亦参见政府没收函，ECF No. 750；被告没收回复函，ECF No. 754。\n在对被告没收动议的回应中，政府主张：（1）本院无权下令扣押涉没收资产（政府没收函，第 4–5 页）；（2）被告不具备诉讼资格请求其所寻求的救济（同上，第 6 页）；以及（3）被告已放弃对本案初步没收令（“POF”）的任何异议。该 POF 由政府于 2025 年 7 月 28 日提交（ECF No. 716），并由本院于 2025 年 8 月 11 日签发（ECF No. 720）。\n政府进一步主张，被告曾向本院表示其“无法就与本案相关的政府已扣押资金和财产的潜在没收与减免问题表明立场”，且其未对政府提出的 POF 动议作出回应，因此已放弃对本案所签发 POF 的任何挑战。参见政府没收函，第 7 页。被告曾简要表示，其可能“质疑某些财产是否可被没收，以及/或者何者构成正确、准确的没收金额”，并请求允许其在“量刑前充分提前”提交一份“全面的陈述”以说明其关切。然而，Guo 先生迄今尚未提供任何关于“正确、准确没收金额”的计算，也未主张POF 所列任何财产事实上不可没收。\n据此，法院命令如下：\n截至 2026 年 1 月 29 日，被告须以书面向本院提交其对 POF 仍然维持的任何异议。该提交还须说明，被告是否就 POF 所列的任何具体财产主张个人权益。对 POF 的异议须明确具体的反对理由并援引相应法律依据。\n截至 2026 年 2 月 12 日，政府如有回应，应提交其回应文件。\n除非能够证明存在特别充分的正当理由，否则不予延期。\n被告未在上述期限内提交具体异议的，可能构成对 POF 的任何异议之放弃。\n特此命令。\n日期：2026 年 1 月 8 日\n地点：纽约州纽约市","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q468609bf25dd1f9447b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q0ebd240a053ce5e20f0d","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":139,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:23:01.538Z","text":"托雷斯慌了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ebd240a053ce5e20f0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q98b42c43d4b9e62d41c7","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":140,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:23:13.890Z","text":"老郭之前不主张没收资金的归属","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98b42c43d4b9e62d41c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q279f93a93c682f590b99","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":141,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:23:23.714Z","text":"现在托雷斯居然又回去问老郭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q279f93a93c682f590b99","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qcb0deac6070f480a4bda","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":142,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:23:50.579Z","text":"意思就是 你这次再不主张 我就按照现在情况没收了 到时候第三方说什么rule60 司法欺诈什么的 就是你的锅了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb0deac6070f480a4bda","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qf14e5cd3add56d4916e7","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":143,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T18:24:31.405Z","text":"郭知不知道现在法庭的真实情况？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf14e5cd3add56d4916e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qc6a5fa0c049a00ddc0be","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":144,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T18:24:46.165Z","text":"他能看到这些动议吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6a5fa0c049a00ddc0be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qa7e183844a240642758e","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":145,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:27:09.274Z","text":"律师不是刚去看过？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf14e5cd3add56d4916e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7e183844a240642758e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf14e5cd3add56d4916e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q5da496c5dbb0df4bff33","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":146,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T18:41:39.939Z","text":"谁知道他们跟被告说的啥，会不会也像联盟一样","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7e183844a240642758e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5da496c5dbb0df4bff33","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7e183844a240642758e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qb2ead11c11810d2daf4a","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":147,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:46:53.895Z","text":"很可能和联盟串谋了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5da496c5dbb0df4bff33","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2ead11c11810d2daf4a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5da496c5dbb0df4bff33","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q3db0b27ca20b974c2ce0","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":148,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T18:55:54.230Z","text":"Jason zen不在美国","edited":false,"reply_to":"q44154e06dd2e4e339503","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3db0b27ca20b974c2ce0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44154e06dd2e4e339503","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":149,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T18:56:57.689Z","text":"辩方律师这次如果不把所有问题提出来，就铁定是有问题的，因为这次是最后机会了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb0deac6070f480a4bda","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb0deac6070f480a4bda","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q5f076f339d4305c50c2e","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":150,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:57:11.679Z","text":"对！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f076f339d4305c50c2e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q0d6a9f498d9f53282fc1","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T18:57:16.317Z","text":"这次是测试他们的最好机会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6a9f498d9f53282fc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q8a46a306e2c39b6a080b","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":152,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T18:58:34.926Z","text":"我总感觉被告被律师封口了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a46a306e2c39b6a080b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qaacdc2977caee6d97c4c","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":153,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T18:58:54.701Z","text":"被告几乎没发过声","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaacdc2977caee6d97c4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qeee899d51138fcef1dee","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":154,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:01:25.545Z","text":"他们应该提出一个minimal的问题 至少承认风险 并且把风险锁到量刑后","edited":false,"reply_to":"q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeee899d51138fcef1dee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q207a30f0280b1c01a3de","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q004229112312a9036ee8","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":155,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T19:02:09.370Z","text":"估计会说辩方保留一切权利之类的话😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeee899d51138fcef1dee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q004229112312a9036ee8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeee899d51138fcef1dee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q5739a1d203a13c1674f5","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":156,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:02:32.194Z","text":"他们应该说承认没收有大量问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q004229112312a9036ee8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5739a1d203a13c1674f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q004229112312a9036ee8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q280b18b5285236639346","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":157,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:02:48.927Z","text":"但是什么时候解决问题 可以不说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q280b18b5285236639346","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q5a57e3b67b8893b7b9ba","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":158,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T19:03:17.419Z","text":"那就不知道了，反正法官是急着定性了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5739a1d203a13c1674f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a57e3b67b8893b7b9ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5739a1d203a13c1674f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qdf08444acd164d18e9ab","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":159,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:03:31.772Z","text":"法官本来用不着去定性","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5a57e3b67b8893b7b9ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf08444acd164d18e9ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a57e3b67b8893b7b9ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qb8572d95553ac075ca6f","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":160,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:03:41.535Z","text":"就是被第三方打爆了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8572d95553ac075ca6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qa9c6014a525837129032","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":161,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:03:45.019Z","text":"不得不多此一举","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9c6014a525837129032","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qec4a80f9396063e2bd5f","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":162,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T19:05:09.586Z","text":"估计是想看辩方有没有什么后手，如果发现辩方没有后手，她就吃个定心丸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec4a80f9396063e2bd5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q69bb5f8792ccb86b6000","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":163,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:05:27.641Z","text":"想看辩方是不是和第三方一起造反","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec4a80f9396063e2bd5f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69bb5f8792ccb86b6000","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec4a80f9396063e2bd5f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q032be7ef156d6362a515","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:05:36.636Z","text":"但这帮[屏蔽词]律师 不会","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q032be7ef156d6362a515","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q605082f8c9e24355c15a","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":165,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-09T19:05:51.330Z","text":"看辩方敢不敢得罪她","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec4a80f9396063e2bd5f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q605082f8c9e24355c15a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec4a80f9396063e2bd5f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qe7d313940635f64ed5ef","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":166,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:06:02.629Z","text":"接下去 第三方的任务 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到时候连老郭一起打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9cca64b923bb2e1f1f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q3080b01a493c00727c9d","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":172,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T19:09:37.390Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  你可以申请ifp 去二巡再交一次","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3080b01a493c00727c9d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q696db0c9cd78fc7198ff","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":173,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T19:43:23.452Z","text":"这个784是不是Torres也想逼迫郭承认 或者不承认他有没有财产， 承认了 就是对以前没有财产的说法撒谎了， 不承认就没收。 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裁决","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q823e854346d0065d4292","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qf3f3e9aaac175d53b7a3","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":175,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T20:01:23.696Z","text":"郭不承认是他的财产，但是检方是以犯罪资金没收的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3f3e9aaac175d53b7a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q0ac9563c65dc09008dd3","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":176,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-09T20:06:06.371Z","text":"GClub 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是谁的信","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6789dd3ea23c75168f50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q6dc53ee4dc35a189e5ff","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":181,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T21:42:46.902Z","text":"检方回复","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dc53ee4dc35a189e5ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q52962f7faea56591914f","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":182,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T21:42:49.948Z","text":"彻底架空cvra","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52962f7faea56591914f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q42cdbe569a74b6f19c65","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":183,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T21:42:54.599Z","text":"违反受害者法案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42cdbe569a74b6f19c65","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q7a8b8aee40b0ff292f6f","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":184,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T21:43:01.039Z","text":"就看法官怎么判了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a8b8aee40b0ff292f6f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qcc4087f783575958e768","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":185,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-09T23:52:57.484Z","text":"民事附属程序都结束两个多月了，现在想起被告说要保留就财产提出异议的权利。这是在向二巡说，我一直都在正常推进程序，是被告一直拖着不就所有权表态。这法官，就像小学一二年级的小朋友：这不是我弄坏的，这是他弄坏的。被告表不表态，不妨碍法庭及时开听证明确所有权，保护本案资产免遭包括政府和rico诈骗犯的进一步侵害。投资者或者被害者的这些主张的文件都不给上传，还在这里耍赖皮推卸责任。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc4087f783575958e768","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q6d20b1dd56f047b9e048","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":186,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T23:54:36.622Z","text":"785\n一、文件背景与目的\n这是美国政府就法院第 782 号命令提交的书面意见，主要回应三点：\n1）§853(n) 第三方权利主张与没收资产减免（remission）的区别及处理方式；\n2）是否应当任命特别法官（special master）处理第三方主张；\n3）请求法院认定在本案中强制性被害人赔偿（MVRA）不可行。\n二、§853(n) 第三方主张的核心规则\n§853(n) 仅适用于对“特定、具体资产”拥有法律权益的第三方。\n一般债权人（包括大多数诈骗受害者）通常不具备 §853(n) 的诉讼地位，因为他们对具体被没收资产不享有优先或既得权益。\n§853(n)(6) 提供两条救济路径：\n(A) 犯罪发生前即已拥有并优于被告的权利（通常不适用于犯罪所得）；\n(B) 犯罪后善意、有对价取得且不知资产可被没收的购买人。\n受害者仅在极少数情形（如法院设立构成信托并能直接追踪资金）下，才可能具备 §853(n) 资格。\n三、没收资产减免（Remission）的定位\n对于不具备 §853(n) 地位的受害者，主要救济途径是司法部的减免程序（28 C.F.R. Part 9），由司法部（MNF）行政处理。\n受害者需证明明确的金钱损失、未参与或促成犯罪等条件；\n当可分配金额不足以全额赔付时，通常按比例分配；\n在受害者人数众多的案件中，可使用第三方/受托人协助处理。\n四、本案 §853(n) 主张的处理方案\n案卷中已提交约 134 份 §853(n) 主张；另有 约 238 份通过邮寄提交，政府拟将其视为减免申请（因 §853(n) 需向法院提交）。\n政府支持任命特别法官，以并行审查并向法院建议：\n哪些主张应因属于一般债权人而被驳回；\n对剩余主张，建议后续处理方式（驳回、和解、证据开示与听证等）。\n政府仍将逐案评估并向法院提出具体建议。\n五、关于赔偿（MVRA）的立场\n虽然 MVRA 通常要求强制赔偿，但在受害者人数极多、损失计算高度复杂、将显著拖延量刑的情形下，法律允许认定赔偿不可行。\n政府认为本案符合不可行条件，请求法院作出相应认定；\n政府建议通过最终没收后的减免程序向受害者分配资金，认为这比法院主导的逐一计算与分配更高效且更有利于受害者；\n并指出法院此前已对共犯采取类似做法。\n六、结论性请求\n政府请求法院：\n1）任命特别法官协助审查 §853(n) 第三方主张；\n2）裁定 MVRA 赔偿在本案中不可行，转而通过没收后减免程序补偿受害者。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d20b1dd56f047b9e048","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q54e24495874ef53d35ba","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":187,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T23:57:54.988Z","text":"😆 检方同意special master处理853n。申请853n失败的的受害人，最后都要走remission，而remission是按比例分配，就是说不可能拿到全额赔偿，因为钱不够分。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54e24495874ef53d35ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q88b1d582876bae931860","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":188,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-09T23:58:47.743Z","text":"然后没有法庭restitution","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54e24495874ef53d35ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88b1d582876bae931860","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54e24495874ef53d35ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qc6620d8156a0e70830fc","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":189,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T23:59:12.267Z","text":"Mvra应该是强制赔偿，就是全额赔偿，是不是？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88b1d582876bae931860","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6620d8156a0e70830fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88b1d582876bae931860","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q412242c2ffe5b2430878","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":190,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-09T23:59:39.691Z","text":"他们说因为这个案子受害者众多,不能强制赔偿，只能按比例，走remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q412242c2ffe5b2430878","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q8f50008fae2abc7fe540","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":191,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-10T00:00:04.692Z","text":"早就知道那些去当受害人的不可能拿到全额赔偿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f50008fae2abc7fe540","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qf01ac306f84bf828ff24","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":192,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-10T00:01:47.239Z","text":"钱不够分的原因就是因为luc花了很多钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf01ac306f84bf828ff24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qb2db46908b299893cb08","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":193,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-10T00:02:00.653Z","text":"而且农场那些人是不是贪污了很多钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2db46908b299893cb08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qc1122154b8e8b0799396","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":194,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-10T00:02:34.471Z","text":"对吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc6620d8156a0e70830fc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1122154b8e8b0799396","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6620d8156a0e70830fc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qe836f3b09a5e12d18cab","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":195,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-10T00:02:51.299Z","text":"最[屏蔽词]的是没有法庭restitution","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe836f3b09a5e12d18cab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q303773099e0b2014f392","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":196,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-10T00:02:58.744Z","text":"这是谁给他的权利？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q303773099e0b2014f392","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"qd39c8e09977204fdc718","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":197,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-10T00:03:10.392Z","text":"这次检方还不那么无法无天了。还说同意成立特别专员，可以开听证。但核心依然是，投资都是受害者，只能走减免，被政府受托人挥霍的，大家都当捐款。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54e24495874ef53d35ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd39c8e09977204fdc718","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54e24495874ef53d35ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068"},{"id":"q0d1342f8a64b04e4872c","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":198,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-10T00:03:12.206Z","text":"什么叫作法庭restitution?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"http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